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From blueswapper at angelfire.com  Sat Jan  1 17:55:45 2000
From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper)
Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2000 08:55:45 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Re: DeMagging Methodologies...
Message-ID: <OEMKDOJNJAFEEAAA@angelfire.com>

Holiday Greetings!

I finally have a DM-10 in my hands, and I'm looking at the single sheet instructions in the package from Nakamichi - Kind of a bringdown reading the 5 step process to demag record/playback heads.  I'm wondering if its appropriate to use the unit to demag other metallic parts in the cassette transport system?  Anything one should not demag??  

What procedure do you other NakTalkers follow when you whip out your magic wands to demag your treasured Nak decks??

Kenny Parsons
Madison, WI  USA

---
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http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper



On Sun, 19 Dec 1999 19:54:47   The BlueSwapper wrote:
>Greetings!
>
>Let's have a discussion on demagging (demagnetzing) the tape transport mechanisms on Nak decks. I'm about to get a used DM-10 (in my xmas stocking over the fireplace), and I'd like to know the inside scoop on what should/shouldn't be demagged on my little black beauties.  In the past, I've used those TDK and DiscWasher brand demag cassettes, with reasonable results - Mercy dear purists, I've seen the light now! <gr>.  Kindly, would the experts out in NakTalk land share their insights with us up-and-coming users. 
>
>Thanks!!!
>
>Mr Blues
>
>---
>Help keep the blues alive!  Got Some???
>http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper
>
>
>
>
>
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>


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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sat Jan  1 19:14:29 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 18:14:29 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Re: DeMagging Methodologies...
In-Reply-To: <OEMKDOJNJAFEEAAA@angelfire.com>
Message-ID: <000001bf5484$0b8a6a20$d730883e@a4s1s2>

Hi Kenny

I wouldn't have thought it could hurt anything (save for the cassettes, of
course!) if you demaged anything and everything, but I've only ever noticed
significant differences when I've only demaged the heads.  However, I have
heard in one of the UK hi fi mag's that some people seem to think the whole
darned system benefits, and they sell a little cuties that does that via the
phono leads.  It's made by Griphon and called "The Exorcist" system
demagnetiser, and costs £69.00.  Being a cynical b@@@@@d, I wonder if it was
Griphon who also made the King's magic suit ... But, hey!  Maybe they are
right and this isn't just another snake oil package.

Graham

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> The BlueSwapper
> Sent: 01 January 2000 16:56
> To: NakTalk
> Cc: Mr Blues
> Subject: [naktalk] Re: DeMagging Methodologies...
>
>
> Holiday Greetings!
>
> I finally have a DM-10 in my hands, and I'm looking at the single
> sheet instructions in the package from Nakamichi - Kind of a
> bringdown reading the 5 step process to demag record/playback
> heads.  I'm wondering if its appropriate to use the unit to demag
> other metallic parts in the cassette transport system?  Anything
> one should not demag??
>
> What procedure do you other NakTalkers follow when you whip out
> your magic wands to demag your treasured Nak decks??
>
> Kenny Parsons
> Madison, WI  USA
>
> ---
> Help keep the blues alive!  Got Some???
> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper
>
>
>
> On Sun, 19 Dec 1999 19:54:47   The BlueSwapper wrote:
> >Greetings!
> >
> >Let's have a discussion on demagging (demagnetzing) the tape
> transport mechanisms on Nak decks. I'm about to get a used DM-10
> (in my xmas stocking over the fireplace), and I'd like to know
> the inside scoop on what should/shouldn't be demagged on my
> little black beauties.  In the past, I've used those TDK and
> DiscWasher brand demag cassettes, with reasonable results - Mercy
> dear purists, I've seen the light now! <gr>.  Kindly, would the
> experts out in NakTalk land share their insights with us
> up-and-coming users.
> >
> >Thanks!!!
> >
> >Mr Blues
> >
> >---
> >Help keep the blues alive!  Got Some???
> >http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
>
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From mdhjwh at ozemail.com.au  Sat Jan  1 21:34:42 2000
From: mdhjwh at ozemail.com.au (mdhjwh)
Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 07:34:42 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Re: DeMagging Methodologies...
References: <OEMKDOJNJAFEEAAA@angelfire.com>
Message-ID: <386E64E2.2A069970@ozemail.com.au>

I demagnetize the heads on my Dragon and have never bothered
with other metal parts.
I'm told that I should, but I just couldn't ever hear any difference
after demagnetizing pinch roller bearing etc.

John H

PS The important thing to remember is DON'T TOUCH THE HEADS
WITH A BARE DEMAGNETIZER. (most have the working end covered in insulating plastic.)

HAil fellow Nakamaniacs of the new Millennia
John H


The BlueSwapper wrote:

> Holiday Greetings!
>
> I finally have a DM-10 in my hands, and I'm looking at the single sheet instructions in the package from Nakamichi - Kind of a bringdown reading the 5 step process to demag record/playback heads.  I'm wondering if its appropriate to use the unit to demag other metallic parts in the cassette transport system?  Anything one should not demag??
>
> What procedure do you other NakTalkers follow when you whip out your magic wands to demag your treasured Nak decks??
>
> Kenny Parsons
> Madison, WI  USA

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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sun Jan  2 01:55:16 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 00:55:16 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Re: DeMagging Methodologies...
In-Reply-To: <386E64E2.2A069970@ozemail.com.au>
Message-ID: <000101bf54bc$08baade0$d730883e@a4s1s2>

John

Re, your Post Script.  I recall the instructions with my old Sony
demagnetiser said much the same thing and, as you describe, the end is
covered with insulating plastic.  So, I've always done exactly as
instructed;  however, I have never understood why this is so important.  Can
you enlighten me (us all), please?  Thanks.

Graham

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> mdhjwh
> Sent: 01 January 2000 20:35


> PS The important thing to remember is DON'T TOUCH THE HEADS
> WITH A BARE DEMAGNETIZER. (most have the working end covered in
> insulating plastic.)
>
> HAil fellow Nakamaniacs of the new Millennia
> John H
>
>

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From enoyes at snet.net  Sun Jan  2 05:32:25 2000
From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes)
Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2000 23:32:25 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Re: DeMagging Methodologies...
References: <000101bf54bc$08baade0$d730883e@a4s1s2>
Message-ID: <386ED4D9.B5DABBA5@snet.net>

In a nutshell, Nak went to great trouble to create a playback head with a gap that was
so narrow as to be theoretically impossible... it would be a shame to tear apart that
delicate gap with the bare metal end of a demagnetizing wand, hence the reason you
should never touch the head. Of course, with the plastic covered end of my Nak
demagnetizer, there is no fear and I do bring this right into contact with the head...
Most important part of the whole process is to bring the demagnetizer to the heads
(and away) slowly. A sudden burst of magnetism with the magnitude of a demagnetizer at
close proximity to the heads can actually magnetize the heads so severely that they
can not ever be fully demag'd.

Looks like we all made it into Y2K without a hitch... except the clock chip in my CR7A
remote which reset to 1900 and caused my deck to vaporize when I went into record
mode...

Ed

Graham Nelson wrote:

> John
>
> Re, your Post Script.  I recall the instructions with my old Sony
> demagnetiser said much the same thing and, as you describe, the end is
> covered with insulating plastic.  So, I've always done exactly as
> instructed;  however, I have never understood why this is so important.  Can
> you enlighten me (us all), please?  Thanks.
>
> Graham
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> > mdhjwh
> > Sent: 01 January 2000 20:35
>
> > PS The important thing to remember is DON'T TOUCH THE HEADS
> > WITH A BARE DEMAGNETIZER. (most have the working end covered in
> > insulating plastic.)
> >
> > HAil fellow Nakamaniacs of the new Millennia
> > John H
> >
> >
>
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From mdhjwh at ozemail.com.au  Sun Jan  2 06:20:48 2000
From: mdhjwh at ozemail.com.au (mdhjwh)
Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 16:20:48 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Supposed risks of missapplied demagnetization
References: <000101bf54bc$08baade0$d730883e@a4s1s2>
Message-ID: <386EE030.9FB1C352@ozemail.com.au>

As I understand it . Contact between a demagnertizer and heads
poses two risks
1. Mains power can be conducted through the heads to pre-amp
components and burn them out.
2. The earthing of the demagnetizer to any component prevents
actual demagnetization.(and supposedly achieves the reverse of
demagnetisation)
I not sure that these warnings are valid but I'm not about to
experiment with my Dragon to find out how true they are.

John H



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From richball at buffnet.net  Sun Jan  2 12:56:54 2000
From: richball at buffnet.net (Rich Ball)
Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 03:56:54 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Re: DeMagging Methodologies...
References: <000101bf54bc$08baade0$d730883e@a4s1s2> <386ED4D9.B5DABBA5@snet.net>
Message-ID: <386F3D05.DF6C9CE6@buffnet.net>

Ed Noyes wrote:

> Looks like we all made it into Y2K without a hitch... except the clock chip in my CR7A
> remote which reset to 1900 and caused my deck to vaporize when I went into record
> mode...
>
> Don't you hate when that happens.  Every hundred years I have to replace my Nak.  Maybe
> it's time to buy a Pioneer...

Rich


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From kleimann at wt.net  Sun Jan  2 18:59:34 2000
From: kleimann at wt.net (Rudy J. Kleimann III)
Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 11:59:34 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Re: DeMagging Methodologies...
In-Reply-To: <000001bf5484$0b8a6a20$d730883e@a4s1s2>
References: <OEMKDOJNJAFEEAAA@angelfire.com>
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000102115934.008042e0@mail.wt.net>

C'mon fellas- this is getting ridiculous!

First off, if you have the instructions for the DM-10, why do you doubt
them? Actually, why don't you post them on this BBS? I assume the DM-10 is
the Nakamichi-Branded demagnetizer tool: it's a little 120Volt hand-held
lack probe/wand with the white tip and says Nakamichi with the Logo in
silver on the body. I have one of these, but don't know the model number. I
also have a Maxell demagnetizer with it's own little light built in. both
the light and the probe are encased in clear plastic that serves to beam
the light directly onto the metal parts being degaussed as well as giving a
protective surface to prevent scratching the head surface with the metal
tip of the probe. Radio Shack used to sell the exact same unit; maybe they
still do.It's VERY handy. I also have a TEAC degausser that is excellent,
but huge- it's made for open real decks up to 2 inch tape width- far too
large for the cassette mechanism.

Three cardinal rules for degaussing:

ALWAYS degauss all metal parts in the tape path, includig tape guides,
cassette aliignment pins, capstans, etc. Anything the tape comes into
contact with or almost touches.

NEVER touch the head with an unprotected steel tip- use plastic or rubber
coated tips. use a fresh piece of cellophane or electrical tape if the tip
is bare steel. Just be wary of the adhesive that eventually comes out from
under old tape that's been on awhile- NOT something you want to transfer to
the heads' tape contact area!

NEVER!, NEVER!, NEVER!!! TURN THE DEMAG ON OR OFF while holding it near the
transport mechanism. You just might induce a powerful magnetic field into
the metal parts of the tape path that you can never get rid of again, and
you will turn your cassette deck into a semi- tape eraser. Definitely not
good...

I always turn on the Degaussing tool at least 12"/30cm away with the wand
pointing perpendicular to the deck, then head toward the transport slowly
with a circualr motion, as if to encircle the transport. I then take this
approach to each of the parts along the tape path, taking care not to stop
at any one location. I wipe the tip of the probe against every bit of each
surface, leaving each piece slowly with the same circling motion. When all
arts have been degaussed, I back away from the transport with the same
circular motionover the entire mechanism turn the probe away from the
transport at about a foot distance, and turn it off.

I have been using this method since my Dad got his first recorder (an Akai
open-reel deck) in 1970, and have used it on everything from 8-track
players to car stereos to my Nak 1000ZXL. I have never had a problem, and I
have Maxell UD-XL I's and II's from 1978 that still sound as good as I ever
remember them to be.

I Hope this helps, and that someone else bothers to actually post other
relevant information or alternative methods to this little chore...

Rudy Kleimann
Houston, Texas

At 06:14 PM 1/1/00 -0000, you wrote:
>Hi Kenny
>
>I wouldn't have thought it could hurt anything (save for the cassettes, of
>course!) if you demaged anything and everything, but I've only ever noticed
>significant differences when I've only demaged the heads.  However, I have
>heard in one of the UK hi fi mag's that some people seem to think the whole
>darned system benefits, and they sell a little cuties that does that via the
>phono leads.  It's made by Griphon and called "The Exorcist" system
>demagnetiser, and costs £69.00.  Being a cynical b@@@@@d, I wonder if it was
>Griphon who also made the King's magic suit ... But, hey!  Maybe they are
>right and this isn't just another snake oil package.
>
>Graham
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
>> The BlueSwapper
>> Sent: 01 January 2000 16:56
>> To: NakTalk
>> Cc: Mr Blues
>> Subject: [naktalk] Re: DeMagging Methodologies...
>>
>>
>> Holiday Greetings!
>>
>> I finally have a DM-10 in my hands, and I'm looking at the single
>> sheet instructions in the package from Nakamichi - Kind of a
>> bringdown reading the 5 step process to demag record/playback
>> heads.  I'm wondering if its appropriate to use the unit to demag
>> other metallic parts in the cassette transport system?  Anything
>> one should not demag??
>>
>> What procedure do you other NakTalkers follow when you whip out
>> your magic wands to demag your treasured Nak decks??
>>
>> Kenny Parsons
>> Madison, WI  USA
>>
>> ---
>> Help keep the blues alive!  Got Some???
>> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 19 Dec 1999 19:54:47   The BlueSwapper wrote:
>> >Greetings!
>> >
>> >Let's have a discussion on demagging (demagnetzing) the tape
>> transport mechanisms on Nak decks. I'm about to get a used DM-10
>> (in my xmas stocking over the fireplace), and I'd like to know
>> the inside scoop on what should/shouldn't be demagged on my
>> little black beauties.  In the past, I've used those TDK and
>> DiscWasher brand demag cassettes, with reasonable results - Mercy
>> dear purists, I've seen the light now! <gr>.  Kindly, would the
>> experts out in NakTalk land share their insights with us
>> up-and-coming users.
>> >
>> >Thanks!!!
>> >
>> >Mr Blues
>> >
>> >---
>> >Help keep the blues alive!  Got Some???
>> >http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>> >
>>
>>
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From kleimann at wt.net  Sun Jan  2 19:13:16 2000
From: kleimann at wt.net (Rudy J. Kleimann III)
Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 12:13:16 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Re: DeMagging Methodologies...
In-Reply-To: <000101bf54bc$08baade0$d730883e@a4s1s2>
References: <386E64E2.2A069970@ozemail.com.au>
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000102121316.0080ce60@mail.wt.net>

The reason you never touch the heads (or any other part in the tape path)
with a bare steel tip is the the bare steel will scratch up the polished
surface of the transport parts from contact not only from a relatively
unsteady hand, but due to the vibration caused by the 50Hz/60Hz AC power
source operating the electromagnet coils inside the demagnetizer when you
hold it near the parts. An unprotected tip is equivalent to operating a
jack-hammer to those surfaces; the coating provides a thin cushion to
prevent damage. Otherwise, your degaussed parts would be transformed into
tape-destroying scrapes and bumps along the tape path.

I would've included this detail in my earlier instructions post, but I
assumed that this would be obviously self-explanatory, or that someone
wouldn't need to know the why's so much as the what's of the dos and donts
of the procedure... 

At 12:55 AM 1/2/00 -0000, you wrote:
>John
>
>Re, your Post Script.  I recall the instructions with my old Sony
>demagnetiser said much the same thing and, as you describe, the end is
>covered with insulating plastic.  So, I've always done exactly as
>instructed;  however, I have never understood why this is so important.  Can
>you enlighten me (us all), please?  Thanks.
>
>Graham
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
>> mdhjwh
>> Sent: 01 January 2000 20:35
>
>
>> PS The important thing to remember is DON'T TOUCH THE HEADS
>> WITH A BARE DEMAGNETIZER. (most have the working end covered in
>> insulating plastic.)
>>
>> HAil fellow Nakamaniacs of the new Millennia
>> John H
>>
>>
>
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From ronami at yahoo.com  Sun Jan  2 20:00:37 2000
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 11:00:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Re: DeMagging Methodologies...
Message-ID: <20000102190037.12646.qmail@web118.yahoomail.com>


--- Ed Noyes <enoyes at snet.net> wrote:
> In a nutshell, Nak went to great trouble to create a
> playback head with a gap that was so narrow as to be
> theoretically impossible... it would be a shame to
> tear apart that delicate gap with the bare metal end
> of a demagnetizing wand, hence the reason you should
> never touch the head.

You should never contact *any* head with a metal
part of a demagnetizer (that's plugged into the
power line), because the leakage current could
cause damage to the deck.

In addition, *always* turn the deck off before
demagnetizing. Otherwise, the induced 60Hz voltage
in the head could, again, blow the head preamplifier
device (not to mention, your speakers).

-- Ron

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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sun Jan  2 22:14:20 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 21:14:20 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Y2k without a hitch ....
In-Reply-To: <386ED4D9.B5DABBA5@snet.net>
Message-ID: <000601bf5566$55a89540$943d883e@a4s1s2>

No worries, Ed.  It will rematerialise in about 100 years time, when you'll
find it as good as you left it ...or rather, it left you!

Graham

 Looks like we all made it into Y2K without a hitch... except the
> clock chip in my CR7A
> remote which reset to 1900 and caused my deck to vaporize when I
> went into record
> mode...
>
> Ed
>
>


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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sun Jan  2 22:32:52 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 21:32:52 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Re: DeMagging Methodologies...
In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000102121316.0080ce60@mail.wt.net>
Message-ID: <000d01bf5568$ece73b80$943d883e@a4s1s2>

Rudy

Thanking you ever so 'umbly, sir, for your generous instruction.  I'm afraid
some of us lesser mortals lack your finer education, sir, and 'ave to ask
these silly questions.  Y' see we don't make 'em - we only play 'em and no
one ever told us such excellent technical knowledge as bestowed on us
plebarians by your goodself was a prerequisite to using, let alone owning,
one of thes fine cassette machines ...

.... oooh... I don't know if I dare touch it now!

Ever so 'umble, Graham

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> Rudy J. Kleimann III
> Sent: 02 January 2000 18:13
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: DeMagging Methodologies...
>
>
> The reason you never touch the heads (or any other part in the tape path)
> with a bare steel tip is the the bare steel will scratch up the polished
> surface of the transport parts from contact not only from a relatively
> unsteady hand, but due to the vibration caused by the 50Hz/60Hz AC power
> source operating the electromagnet coils inside the demagnetizer when you
> hold it near the parts. An unprotected tip is equivalent to operating a
> jack-hammer to those surfaces; the coating provides a thin cushion to
> prevent damage. Otherwise, your degaussed parts would be transformed into
> tape-destroying scrapes and bumps along the tape path.
>
> I would've included this detail in my earlier instructions post, but I
> assumed that this would be obviously self-explanatory, or that someone
> wouldn't need to know the why's so much as the what's of the dos and donts
> of the procedure...
>
> At 12:55 AM 1/2/00 -0000, you wrote:
> >John
> >
> >Re, your Post Script.  I recall the instructions with my old Sony
> >demagnetiser said much the same thing and, as you describe, the end is
> >covered with insulating plastic.  So, I've always done exactly as
> >instructed;  however, I have never understood why this is so
> important.  Can
> >you enlighten me (us all), please?  Thanks.
> >
> >Graham
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of
> >> mdhjwh
> >> Sent: 01 January 2000 20:35
> >
> >
> >> PS The important thing to remember is DON'T TOUCH THE HEADS
> >> WITH A BARE DEMAGNETIZER. (most have the working end covered in
> >> insulating plastic.)
> >>
> >> HAil fellow Nakamaniacs of the new Millennia
> >> John H
> >>
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From blueswapper at angelfire.com  Mon Jan  3 00:16:01 2000
From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper)
Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 15:16:01 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Demagging Methodologies
Message-ID: <AEADBILHOFIKEAAA@angelfire.com>

Thanks to you all for the advice!  This is exactly the information that needs to be more clearly understood, compiled, and documented for user reference.  

Why do I doubt the basic Nak instructions? Simply because they lack any detailed guidance on how to wield the hand-held wand, what you should and should not be doing with the unit. If you were looking at that little 12 x 18 cm paper sheet, you'd most likely be asking your peers for advice also!   As Rudy suggests, I will post the official Nakamichi instructions for using the DM-10 Head Demagnetizer.  Here they are (all 85 words worth):

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

HOW TO USE THIS DEMAGNETIZER

The record and playback heads become gradually magnetized with use and tend to add noise to reporduced sound.  It is, therefore, advisable to demagnetize the heads from time to time.

1) Put the tip of the demagnetizer on the spot where a running tape makes contact.

2) Turn the power switch of the demagnetizer on.

3) Move the tip slowly upward as shown by an arrow mark.

4) Take back the tip from a head slowly.

5) Turn the switch off after the tip is completely apart from the head.

Nakamichi Corporation
Research Development & Manufacturing
Copyright 1985

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

If you want to view the step-by-step diagrams that correspond to these instructions, have a peek at my Nak gear informational webpage:

http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/demag.html

I will also aggregate and post some of the advice you fellows have offered, for others to benefit from in the future.  I'll contact you directly about that soon.  

Thanks again!

Kenny Parsons
Madison, WI  USA

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http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

On 2 Jan 2000 19:02:58, naktalk-digest wrote:

>
>Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 11:59:34 -0600
>From: "Rudy J. Kleimann III" <kleimann at wt.net>
>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: DeMagging Methodologies...
>
>C'mon fellas- this is getting ridiculous!
>
>First off, if you have the instructions for the DM-10, why do you doubt
>them? Actually, why don't you post them on this BBS? I assume the DM-10 is
>the Nakamichi-branded demagnetizer tool: it's a little 120Volt hand-held
>black probe/wand with the white tip and says Nakamichi with the logo in
>silver on the body....... 
>
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From ronami at yahoo.com  Mon Jan  3 16:30:16 2000
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 07:30:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Demagging Methodologies
Message-ID: <20000103153016.25792.qmail@web115.yahoomail.com>


I suppose I should be ashamed to admit it, but
I still have the demagnetizer I bought at radio
Shack a good 25 years ago. It looks very much
like BlueSwapper's DM-10.

I only mention this, because I am puzzled a bit
by Nakamichi's instructions. Seems to me, steps
1 and 2 should be reversed (meaning, the
demagnetizer should be turned on first, then
brought closer to the head), unless the DM-10
incorporates some means for slowing down the
magnetic field buildup, which I kinda doubt.
(I know mine doesn't.)

Without such slow down, there is a chance the
head will receive a healthy jolt of a
unidirectional magnetic field as the
demagnetizer is switched on. This will
*magnetize* the head. It's true that it will
then be demagnetized, but I still do not see
the point of doing things in the order
recommended by Nakamichi.

Another minor point -- I do demagnetize all
metal parts around the tape path. Probably,
an overkill (why would anything except the
play head become magnetized in the first
place?), but doing it takes less time than
justifying it...

-- Ron


--- The BlueSwapper <blueswapper at angelfire.com> wrote:
> Thanks to you all for the advice!  This is exactly the
> information that needs to be more clearly understood,
> compiled, and documented for user reference.  
> 
> Why do I doubt the basic Nak instructions? Simply because
> they lack any detailed guidance on how to wield the
> hand-held wand, what you should and should not be doing
> with the unit. If you were looking at that little 12 x 18
> cm paper sheet, you'd most likely be asking your peers
> for advice also!   As Rudy suggests, I will post the
> official Nakamichi instructions for using the DM-10 Head
> Demagnetizer.  Here they are (all 85 words worth):
> 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> 
> HOW TO USE THIS DEMAGNETIZER
> 
> The record and playback heads become gradually magnetized
> with use and tend to add noise to reporduced sound.  It
> is, therefore, advisable to demagnetize the heads from
> time to time.
> 
> 1) Put the tip of the demagnetizer on the spot where a
> running tape makes contact.
> 
> 2) Turn the power switch of the demagnetizer on.
> 
> 3) Move the tip slowly upward as shown by an arrow mark.
> 
> 4) Take back the tip from a head slowly.
> 
> 5) Turn the switch off after the tip is completely apart
> from the head.
> 
> Nakamichi Corporation
> Research Development & Manufacturing
> Copyright 1985
> 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> 
> If you want to view the step-by-step diagrams that
> correspond to these instructions, have a peek at my Nak
> gear informational webpage:
> 
> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/demag.html
> 
> I will also aggregate and post some of the advice you
> fellows have offered, for others to benefit from in the
> future.  I'll contact you directly about that soon.  
> 
> Thanks again!
> 
> Kenny Parsons
> Madison, WI  USA
> 
> ---
> Help keep the blues alive!  Got Some???
> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper
> 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> 
> On 2 Jan 2000 19:02:58, naktalk-digest wrote:
> 
> >
> >Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 11:59:34 -0600
> >From: "Rudy J. Kleimann III" <kleimann at wt.net>
> >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: DeMagging Methodologies...
> >
> >C'mon fellas- this is getting ridiculous!
> >
> >First off, if you have the instructions for the DM-10,
> why do you doubt
> >them? Actually, why don't you post them on this BBS? I
> assume the DM-10 is
> >the Nakamichi-branded demagnetizer tool: it's a little
> 120Volt hand-held
> >black probe/wand with the white tip and says Nakamichi
> with the logo in
> >silver on the body....... 
> >
> >End of naktalk-digest V1 #126
> >*****************************
> >
> >
> 
> 
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From TRANSPLATA at aol.com  Mon Jan  3 18:47:56 2000
From: TRANSPLATA at aol.com (TRANSPLATA at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 12:47:56 EST
Subject: [naktalk] 700 ZXL /Carlos Copytec
Message-ID: <0.a960b8d4.25a23acc@aol.com>

Carlos:
I still have not received my manual.
JP
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Mon Jan  3 19:58:50 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 18:58:50 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Demagging Methodologies
In-Reply-To: <20000103153016.25792.qmail@web115.yahoomail.com>
Message-ID: <000201bf561c$9233bb00$eccd883e@a4s1s2>

I'm with you on this, Ron.  My 20 year plus Sony demagnetiser instructions
go along with your thinking, that you switch on the demagnetizer and only
then bring it slowly to the parts you want to demag' as you then, just as
slowly, take it away before cutting the power.  (Mine has a red button that
you have to hold down for the demagnetiser to be working.  As soon as you
release the pressure it switches out.)

Graham

PS

Don't apologise for having a 25 year old demagnetiser, Ron - if the old
technology works ... and it's probably built better than the modern ones,
too.  (I know my Sony is demag' device is tough because I've dropped it a
few times in the years I've had it!)  And don't apologise for it not being a
Nak ... Nak City might have had the last word for cassette decks (save for
Revox B215, eh Carlos!) but that's about for all they seem to deserve
legendary status.  As good as some of their other items were, they haven't
set the world on fire like some other makers for amps, CD players, speakers
(or should I say "transducers"?!), tuners or record players .... Chord,
Krell, Quad, Wadia, etc..

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> Ron
> Sent: 03 January 2000 15:30
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Demagging Methodologies
>
>
>
> I suppose I should be ashamed to admit it, but
> I still have the demagnetizer I bought at radio
> Shack a good 25 years ago. It looks very much
> like BlueSwapper's DM-10.
>
> I only mention this, because I am puzzled a bit
> by Nakamichi's instructions. Seems to me, steps
> 1 and 2 should be reversed (meaning, the
> demagnetizer should be turned on first, then
> brought closer to the head), unless the DM-10
> incorporates some means for slowing down the
> magnetic field buildup, which I kinda doubt.
> (I know mine doesn't.)
>
> Without such slow down, there is a chance the
> head will receive a healthy jolt of a
> unidirectional magnetic field as the
> demagnetizer is switched on. This will
> *magnetize* the head. It's true that it will
> then be demagnetized, but I still do not see
> the point of doing things in the order
> recommended by Nakamichi.
>
> Another minor point -- I do demagnetize all
> metal parts around the tape path. Probably,
> an overkill (why would anything except the
> play head become magnetized in the first
> place?), but doing it takes less time than
> justifying it...
>
> -- Ron
>
>
> --- The BlueSwapper <blueswapper at angelfire.com> wrote:
> > Thanks to you all for the advice!  This is exactly the
> > information that needs to be more clearly understood,
> > compiled, and documented for user reference.
> >
> > Why do I doubt the basic Nak instructions? Simply because
> > they lack any detailed guidance on how to wield the
> > hand-held wand, what you should and should not be doing
> > with the unit. If you were looking at that little 12 x 18
> > cm paper sheet, you'd most likely be asking your peers
> > for advice also!   As Rudy suggests, I will post the
> > official Nakamichi instructions for using the DM-10 Head
> > Demagnetizer.  Here they are (all 85 words worth):
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> > HOW TO USE THIS DEMAGNETIZER
> >
> > The record and playback heads become gradually magnetized
> > with use and tend to add noise to reporduced sound.  It
> > is, therefore, advisable to demagnetize the heads from
> > time to time.
> >
> > 1) Put the tip of the demagnetizer on the spot where a
> > running tape makes contact.
> >
> > 2) Turn the power switch of the demagnetizer on.
> >
> > 3) Move the tip slowly upward as shown by an arrow mark.
> >
> > 4) Take back the tip from a head slowly.
> >
> > 5) Turn the switch off after the tip is completely apart
> > from the head.
> >
> > Nakamichi Corporation
> > Research Development & Manufacturing
> > Copyright 1985
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> > If you want to view the step-by-step diagrams that
> > correspond to these instructions, have a peek at my Nak
> > gear informational webpage:
> >
> > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/demag.html
> >
> > I will also aggregate and post some of the advice you
> > fellows have offered, for others to benefit from in the
> > future.  I'll contact you directly about that soon.
> >
> > Thanks again!
> >
> > Kenny Parsons
> > Madison, WI  USA
> >
> > ---
> > Help keep the blues alive!  Got Some???
> > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> > On 2 Jan 2000 19:02:58, naktalk-digest wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 11:59:34 -0600
> > >From: "Rudy J. Kleimann III" <kleimann at wt.net>
> > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: DeMagging Methodologies...
> > >
> > >C'mon fellas- this is getting ridiculous!
> > >
> > >First off, if you have the instructions for the DM-10,
> > why do you doubt
> > >them? Actually, why don't you post them on this BBS? I
> > assume the DM-10 is
> > >the Nakamichi-branded demagnetizer tool: it's a little
> > 120Volt hand-held
> > >black probe/wand with the white tip and says Nakamichi
> > with the logo in
> > >silver on the body.......
> > >
> > >End of naktalk-digest V1 #126
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> > >
> >
> >
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From RCD12948 at aol.com  Sat Jan  8 01:07:35 2000
From: RCD12948 at aol.com (RCD12948 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 19:07:35 EST
Subject: [naktalk] RE; Demagging, continued......
Message-ID: <cb.cbbcbedb.25a7d9c7@aol.com>

Don't know. I bought mine several years ago at Best Buy.
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From djosz at colby-sawyer.edu  Sat Jan  8 05:54:26 2000
From: djosz at colby-sawyer.edu (Damon Josz)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 23:54:26 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] system one
References: <003001bf457d$8722da20$8851aad0@m5e0c7> <007501bf4582$b763cfa0$27449cd1@jeffery>
Message-ID: <00ce01bf5994$7545be00$a851aad0@m5e0c7>

Jeff, because I am sitting down, I will ask. How much for the system one
rack? Damon
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Galin <eslabs at prodigy.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, December 13, 1999 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] system one


> Damon,
>
> We have some of this older Nak stuff in stock including
> a loaded System One rack and black boxes and remote controls.
> (860)529-3700 M-F 8am-6pm EST
>
> Sincerely,
> Jeffrey Galin
> eslabs at prodigy.net & www.eslabs.com
>
> Nakamichi Service Labs
> ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS
> 1807 Berlin Turnpike
> Wethersfield, CT  06109   USA
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Damon Josz <djosz at colby-sawyer.edu>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 13, 1999 10:17 AM
> Subject: [naktalk] system one
>
>
> > Nak, Nak,                              ??????'s at bottom....
> >                 I have hankered for sys. one for years. My dad brought
home
> > the brochures when they first came out. And then slowly pieced together
a
> > mega system on the used market in the early eighties. You look in his
sound
> > room, jeez, two 600cass., three 620amps, two 630preamp/tuners and a
> > 610control preamp, ds-200 timer, ba-150 bridging adaptor( theoretical
> > 375-400 watts/channel) and recently added the nak nameplated 200 cd box.
> > Well envy is all  I  had........
> >
> >       Once I received a phone call from dad, SYSTEM ONE complete,
$1000.00
> >
> >  Didn't have the dough......
> >
> > However, the advent of the internet has made my dream system come true,
plus
> > the chase is fun! My most recent score....THE RACK.....truly one of the
most
> > difficult parts to find in the 600 series. So now I am up to 2 600's, 2
> > 610's (sell one) 2 620's and 2 630's.
> > Now the funny thing about the racks, they came with the timer, mine was
> > missing. I have the ds-200 but they face plate is much narrower. I plan
to
> > cut a dash plate to fit the rack.
> > The real unique feature of 600 series and racks are the compact
construction
> > and computer like PCB board connections. While offering this wedge shape
vs.
> > the box was a artful statement, the real bonus was the slimness of the
> > pieces when inverted to fit the rack. Only six inches of box! Thus the
full
> > rack had the face of a monolith army issue, yet is not  "file cabinet
plus"
> > in depth. And when the pieces are mounted all the jacks and schematics
face
> > up at an angle for easy viewing out back.  All this beauty and
performance
> > ends ( or begins audibly!) on a pair of Altec Vot's........ ohhhhhhbaby!
> >
> >      Now recently I picked up the BA-150( another difficult piece) 2
> > PS-100's and these two pieces, the EC-100 and sf-100. Does anyone have
the
> > paperwork to copy for these two? And how about the Din 4 plugs? Any
answers?
> >
> > Damon
> > Sunapee NH
> >
> >
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From copytec at coqui.net  Sat Jan  8 16:40:27 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 10:40:27 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Manuals in the mail
References: <0.fbcceded.253e9cbb@aol.com>
Message-ID: <004e01bf59ee$b2326980$482f2ac4@coqui.net>

Hello fellows and Happy New Millenium from The Tape Man:

To all you six guys who asked for the 700 ZXL Service manual, I'm happy to
tell you that it's in the mail. They were send by Priority Parcel Post last
Friday at 11:00 A.M.  I will fully appreciate the receival confirmation of
each one of you, please.

The Sweden one were send by Air Mail the same day and time as the others.

Now to the other guys in this list, I'm very sorry to comunicate that due to
the very expensive and very difficult to copy process of these service
manuals, no more copies are available from now on. Sorry again, but this
project became a real pain in the butt, so, no more manuals.

Best to all,

Carlos
The tape man

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From LDEVOE at mail.mcg.edu  Tue Jan 11 00:24:10 2000
From: LDEVOE at mail.mcg.edu (Lawrence Devoe)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 18:24:10 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] 700 Alignment procedures posted for downloading
Message-ID: <s87a23d5.048@mail.mcg.edu>

I have recently purchased a good condition CR7A. It appears to work fine. I have 2 questions I need help with:
1. The 'Up Fader button' light comes on with power and stays lit during recording and playback unless I actually activate the "Down Fader button." At this point, one light dims and the other becomes brighter.  Is this normal?

2.  It is not clear when doing the Azimuth by meter where the "default" is.  That is, is there a standard place where the reference arrow should start in relationship to the adjustment bars below?

Thank you in advance for your help.

Also, I have a venerable 480 that has playback problems. Is it worth while trying to fix this machine?

 

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From stephen_sank at emall-online.com  Tue Jan 11 02:53:35 2000
From: stephen_sank at emall-online.com (Stephen Sank)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 18:53:35 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] 700 Alignment procedures posted for downloading
References: <s87a23d5.048@mail.mcg.edu>
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Lawrence Devoe wrote:
> 
> I have recently purchased a good condition CR7A. It appears to work fine. I have 2 questions I need help with:
> 1. The 'Up Fader button' light comes on with power and stays lit during recording and playback unless I actually activate the "Down Fader button." At this point, one light dims and the other becomes brighter.  Is this normal?
> 
> 2.  It is not clear when doing the Azimuth by meter where the "default" is.  That is, is there a standard place where the reference arrow should start in relationship to the adjustment bars below?
> 
> Thank you in advance for your help.
> 
> Also, I have a venerable 480 that has playback problems. Is it worth while trying to fix this machine?
> 
> 
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From stephen_sank at emall-online.com  Tue Jan 11 02:57:16 2000
From: stephen_sank at emall-online.com (Stephen Sank)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 18:57:16 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] 700 Alignment procedures posted for downloading
References: <s87a23d5.048@mail.mcg.edu>
Message-ID: <387A8DFC.9227EF9C@emall-online.com>

The CR-7's up fader light is supposed to always be on unless down is
pushed during record.  It's doing what it's supposed to.  The reference
azimuth point is to light the bar on the left side of the red arrow. 
This should be the center point on the control.
The 480, while not very high in resale value, is one of the best 2-head
decks ever made, and is certainly worth putting a hundred or so into
restoring.  Properly cared for, they can run just about forever.

Lawrence Devoe wrote:
> 
> I have recently purchased a good condition CR7A. It appears to work fine. I have 2 questions I need help with:
> 1. The 'Up Fader button' light comes on with power and stays lit during recording and playback unless I actually activate the "Down Fader button." At this point, one light dims and the other becomes brighter.  Is this normal?
> 
> 2.  It is not clear when doing the Azimuth by meter where the "default" is.  That is, is there a standard place where the reference arrow should start in relationship to the adjustment bars below?
> 
> Thank you in advance for your help.
> 
> Also, I have a venerable 480 that has playback problems. Is it worth while trying to fix this machine?
> 
> 
> 
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From gibby at bee.net  Tue Jan 11 04:41:55 2000
From: gibby at bee.net (Gib Lappano)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 22:41:55 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] bx300
Message-ID: <003501bf5be5$cf01bfe0$395a4a3f@gibby>

Hello all,

I have what seems like a relatively simple question. My BX-300 is eating up my tapes. I have tried several tapes and even different brands. The tape isn't getting caught in the pinchers and rollers. Rather it is getting chewed up within the cassette itself. It also happens whether I play or record. Is this a simple matter of the deck needing to be cleaned or could it be something more serious? Thanks in advance for your advice.

Gib
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From Thomas_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Tue Jan 11 06:53:56 2000
From: Thomas_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 16:53:56 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] bx300
In-Reply-To: <003501bf5be5$cf01bfe0$395a4a3f@gibby>
Message-ID: <200001110554.QAA17460@mail.neca.nec.com.au>

HI Gib,

    It's not normal for a Nakamichi with a dual capstain system or even
a single capstain system to chew up tapes. However I have found with
tape decks in general that if the pinch roller(s) are dirty, this will
give a shiny and slippery surface. It is important that the pinch
rollers have a grippy surface. Another reason may be that the tension
may be out, if this is the case then it may need to be sent to an
authorised Nak dealer.

    All the best in fixing this problem

    Regards Tom.
    -----Original Message-----
    From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On
Behalf Of Gib Lappano
    Sent: Tuesday, 11 January 2000 2:42
    To: naktalk at naks.com
    Subject: [naktalk] bx300


    Hello all,

    I have what seems like a relatively simple question. My BX-300 is
eating up my tapes. I have tried several tapes and even different
brands. The tape isn't getting caught in the pinchers and rollers.
Rather it is getting chewed up within the cassette itself. It also
happens whether I play or record. Is this a simple matter of the deck
needing to be cleaned or could it be something more serious? Thanks in
advance for your advice.

    Gib


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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Tue Jan 11 18:23:01 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (kannan)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 22:53:01 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] bx300
References: <200001110554.QAA17460@mail.neca.nec.com.au>
Message-ID: <387B66F5.D787974B@giasbg01.vsnl.net.in>

Everybody
 because of loosening of Erase head mounting in my BX300 the tape got
chewed. Fitting it back requires good skill - even alignment ( BX300
erase head is mounted on 3 point mount with springs and needs proper
alignment if not causes chewing !) as well as tape guide setup requires
probably good Nak service setup. If you are adventurous try your luck.
Also if the tape is very loose, causes tape going out of the tape guide
and causing this problem. My Bx300 is about 10 years old and probably
the previous owner did not take care of it well!  I had to struggle to
find the reason for tape chewing - as we do not have authorised Nak
service center in India. I spent few hours using broken old cassette to
check the tape movement clearly, I spotted this probable cause - (cut
open an old cassette on one side bottom to see the tape movement)
Good luck

Thomas Siomopoulos wrote:

> HI Gib,
>
>     It's not normal for a Nakamichi with a dual capstain system or even
> a single capstain system to chew up tapes. However I have found with
> tape decks in general that if the pinch roller(s) are dirty, this will
> give a shiny and slippery surface. It is important that the pinch
> rollers have a grippy surface. Another reason may be that the tension
> may be out, if this is the case then it may need to be sent to an
> authorised Nak dealer.
>
>     All the best in fixing this problem
>
>     Regards Tom.
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Gib Lappano
>     Sent: Tuesday, 11 January 2000 2:42
>     To: naktalk at naks.com
>     Subject: [naktalk] bx300
>
>
>     Hello all,
>
>     I have what seems like a relatively simple question. My BX-300 is
> eating up my tapes. I have tried several tapes and even different
> brands. The tape isn't getting caught in the pinchers and rollers.
> Rather it is getting chewed up within the cassette itself. It also
> happens whether I play or record. Is this a simple matter of the deck
> needing to be cleaned or could it be something more serious? Thanks in
> advance for your advice.
>
>     Gib
>
>
>
> HI Gib,    It's not normal for a Nakamichi with a dual capstain system
> or even a single capstain system to chew up tapes. However I have
> found with tape decks in general that if the pinch roller(s) are
> dirty, this will give a shiny and slippery surface. It is important
> that the pinch rollers have a grippy surface. Another reason may be
> that the tension may be out, if this is the case then it may need to
> be sent to an authorised Nak dealer.    All the best in fixing this
> problem    Regards Tom.
>
>      -----Original Message-----
>      From: owner-naktalk at naks.com
>      [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Gib Lappano
>      Sent: Tuesday, 11 January 2000 2:42
>      To: naktalk at naks.com
>      Subject: [naktalk] bx300
>
>      Hello all, I have what seems like a relatively simple
>      question. My BX-300 is eating up my tapes. I have tried
>      several tapes and even different brands. The tape isn't
>      getting caught in the pinchers and rollers. Rather it is
>      getting chewed up within the cassette itself. It also
>      happens whether I play or record. Is this a simple matter of
>      the deck needing to be cleaned or could it be something more
>      serious? Thanks in advance for your advice. Gib
>
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From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua  Tue Jan 11 10:29:13 2000
From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 11:29:13 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 410 and 420?
References: <s87a23d5.048@mail.mcg.edu> <387A8D1F.3C50BBC6@emall-online.com>
Message-ID: <001a01bf5c16$53d0ec20$6f6f6f6f@interactive.kiev.ua>

Hi friends! 

I got a guestion - what is pre- and power amps 410 and 420?
Anything special about them? How do they sound?
How do they looks like? Any comments, please!

Thanks,

Michael
Kiev, Ukraine
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From LDEVOE at mail.mcg.edu  Tue Jan 11 15:14:20 2000
From: LDEVOE at mail.mcg.edu (Lawrence Devoe)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 09:14:20 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] 700 Alignment procedures posted for downloading
Message-ID: <s87af482.025@mail.mcg.edu>

Do you  repair Nak 480's and if so how do I go about sending my deck to you for repairs?

>>> stephen_sank at emall-online.com 01/10/00 08:57PM >>>
The CR-7's up fader light is supposed to always be on unless down is
pushed during record.  It's doing what it's supposed to.  The reference
azimuth point is to light the bar on the left side of the red arrow. 
This should be the center point on the control.
The 480, while not very high in resale value, is one of the best 2-head
decks ever made, and is certainly worth putting a hundred or so into
restoring.  Properly cared for, they can run just about forever.

Lawrence Devoe wrote:
> 
> I have recently purchased a good condition CR7A. It appears to work fine. I have 2 questions I need help with:
> 1. The 'Up Fader button' light comes on with power and stays lit during recording and playback unless I actually activate the "Down Fader button." At this point, one light dims and the other becomes brighter.  Is this normal?
> 
> 2.  It is not clear when doing the Azimuth by meter where the "default" is.  That is, is there a standard place where the reference arrow should start in relationship to the adjustment bars below?
> 
> Thank you in advance for your help.
> 
> Also, I have a venerable 480 that has playback problems. Is it worth while trying to fix this machine?
> 
> 
> 
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7611 Menaul Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico [ 87110 ]
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From johnroberts52 at hotmail.com  Tue Jan 11 19:24:23 2000
From: johnroberts52 at hotmail.com (john roberts)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 10:24:23 PST
Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V1 #133
Message-ID: <20000111182423.25147.qmail@hotmail.com>

Thanks for the answers on the BX-300.  Mine did the same over xmas, chewed 
up my favorite tape!  It wrapped around everything possible on the right 
side of the deck!


----Original Message Follows----
From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com (naktalk-digest)
Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com
To: naktalk-digest at naks.com
Subject: naktalk-digest V1 #133
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 15:23:02 +0100

naktalk-digest        Tuesday, January 11 2000        Volume 01 : Number 133




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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 18:53:35 -0700
From: Stephen Sank <stephen_sank at emall-online.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700 Alignment procedures posted for downloading

Lawrence Devoe wrote:
 >
 > I have recently purchased a good condition CR7A. It appears to work fine. 
I have 2 questions I need help with:
 > 1. The 'Up Fader button' light comes on with power and stays lit during 
recording and playback unless I actually activate the "Down Fader button." 
At this point, one light dims and the other becomes brighter.  Is this 
normal?
 >
 > 2.  It is not clear when doing the Azimuth by meter where the "default" 
is.  That is, is there a standard place where the reference arrow should 
start in relationship to the adjustment bars below?
 >
 > Thank you in advance for your help.
 >
 > Also, I have a venerable 480 that has playback problems. Is it worth 
while trying to fix this machine?
 >
 >
 >
 > 
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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 18:57:16 -0700
From: Stephen Sank <stephen_sank at emall-online.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700 Alignment procedures posted for downloading

The CR-7's up fader light is supposed to always be on unless down is
pushed during record.  It's doing what it's supposed to.  The reference
azimuth point is to light the bar on the left side of the red arrow.
This should be the center point on the control.
The 480, while not very high in resale value, is one of the best 2-head
decks ever made, and is certainly worth putting a hundred or so into
restoring.  Properly cared for, they can run just about forever.

Lawrence Devoe wrote:
 >
 > I have recently purchased a good condition CR7A. It appears to work fine. 
I have 2 questions I need help with:
 > 1. The 'Up Fader button' light comes on with power and stays lit during 
recording and playback unless I actually activate the "Down Fader button." 
At this point, one light dims and the other becomes brighter.  Is this 
normal?
 >
 > 2.  It is not clear when doing the Azimuth by meter where the "default" 
is.  That is, is there a standard place where the reference arrow should 
start in relationship to the adjustment bars below?
 >
 > Thank you in advance for your help.
 >
 > Also, I have a venerable 480 that has playback problems. Is it worth 
while trying to fix this machine?
 >
 >
 >
 > 
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7611 Menaul Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico [ 87110 ]
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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 22:41:55 -0500
From: "Gib Lappano" <gibby at bee.net>
Subject: [naktalk] bx300

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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 16:53:56 +1100
From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" <Thomas_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au>
Subject: RE: [naktalk] bx300

HI Gib,

     It's not normal for a Nakamichi with a dual capstain system or even
a single capstain system to chew up tapes. However I have found with
tape decks in general that if the pinch roller(s) are dirty, this will
give a shiny and slippery surface. It is important that the pinch
rollers have a grippy surface. Another reason may be that the tension
may be out, if this is the case then it may need to be sent to an
authorised Nak dealer.

     All the best in fixing this problem

     Regards Tom.
     -----Original Message-----
     From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On
Behalf Of Gib Lappano
     Sent: Tuesday, 11 January 2000 2:42
     To: naktalk at naks.com
     Subject: [naktalk] bx300


     Hello all,

     I have what seems like a relatively simple question. My BX-300 is
eating up my tapes. I have tried several tapes and even different
brands. The tape isn't getting caught in the pinchers and rollers.
Rather it is getting chewed up within the cassette itself. It also
happens whether I play or record. Is this a simple matter of the deck
needing to be cleaned or could it be something more serious? Thanks in
advance for your advice.

     Gib


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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 22:53:01 +0530
From: kannan <kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] bx300

Everybody
  because of loosening of Erase head mounting in my BX300 the tape got
chewed. Fitting it back requires good skill - even alignment ( BX300
erase head is mounted on 3 point mount with springs and needs proper
alignment if not causes chewing !) as well as tape guide setup requires
probably good Nak service setup. If you are adventurous try your luck.
Also if the tape is very loose, causes tape going out of the tape guide
and causing this problem. My Bx300 is about 10 years old and probably
the previous owner did not take care of it well!  I had to struggle to
find the reason for tape chewing - as we do not have authorised Nak
service center in India. I spent few hours using broken old cassette to
check the tape movement clearly, I spotted this probable cause - (cut
open an old cassette on one side bottom to see the tape movement)
Good luck

Thomas Siomopoulos wrote:

 > HI Gib,
 >
 >     It's not normal for a Nakamichi with a dual capstain system or even
 > a single capstain system to chew up tapes. However I have found with
 > tape decks in general that if the pinch roller(s) are dirty, this will
 > give a shiny and slippery surface. It is important that the pinch
 > rollers have a grippy surface. Another reason may be that the tension
 > may be out, if this is the case then it may need to be sent to an
 > authorised Nak dealer.
 >
 >     All the best in fixing this problem
 >
 >     Regards Tom.
 >     -----Original Message-----
 >     From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On
 > Behalf Of Gib Lappano
 >     Sent: Tuesday, 11 January 2000 2:42
 >     To: naktalk at naks.com
 >     Subject: [naktalk] bx300
 >
 >
 >     Hello all,
 >
 >     I have what seems like a relatively simple question. My BX-300 is
 > eating up my tapes. I have tried several tapes and even different
 > brands. The tape isn't getting caught in the pinchers and rollers.
 > Rather it is getting chewed up within the cassette itself. It also
 > happens whether I play or record. Is this a simple matter of the deck
 > needing to be cleaned or could it be something more serious? Thanks in
 > advance for your advice.
 >
 >     Gib
 >
 >
 >
 > HI Gib,    It's not normal for a Nakamichi with a dual capstain system
 > or even a single capstain system to chew up tapes. However I have
 > found with tape decks in general that if the pinch roller(s) are
 > dirty, this will give a shiny and slippery surface. It is important
 > that the pinch rollers have a grippy surface. Another reason may be
 > that the tension may be out, if this is the case then it may need to
 > be sent to an authorised Nak dealer.    All the best in fixing this
 > problem    Regards Tom.
 >
 >      -----Original Message-----
 >      From: owner-naktalk at naks.com
 >      [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Gib Lappano
 >      Sent: Tuesday, 11 January 2000 2:42
 >      To: naktalk at naks.com
 >      Subject: [naktalk] bx300
 >
 >      Hello all, I have what seems like a relatively simple
 >      question. My BX-300 is eating up my tapes. I have tried
 >      several tapes and even different brands. The tape isn't
 >      getting caught in the pinchers and rollers. Rather it is
 >      getting chewed up within the cassette itself. It also
 >      happens whether I play or record. Is this a simple matter of
 >      the deck needing to be cleaned or could it be something more
 >      serious? Thanks in advance for your advice. Gib
 >
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 11:29:13 +0200
From: "MVM" <MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua>
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 410 and 420?

Hi friends!

I got a guestion - what is pre- and power amps 410 and 420?
Anything special about them? How do they sound?
How do they looks like? Any comments, please!

Thanks,

Michael
Kiev, Ukraine
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 09:14:20 -0500
From: "Lawrence Devoe" <LDEVOE at mail.mcg.edu>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700 Alignment procedures posted for downloading

Do you  repair Nak 480's and if so how do I go about sending my deck to you 
for repairs?

 >>> stephen_sank at emall-online.com 01/10/00 08:57PM >>>
The CR-7's up fader light is supposed to always be on unless down is
pushed during record.  It's doing what it's supposed to.  The reference
azimuth point is to light the bar on the left side of the red arrow.
This should be the center point on the control.
The 480, while not very high in resale value, is one of the best 2-head
decks ever made, and is certainly worth putting a hundred or so into
restoring.  Properly cared for, they can run just about forever.

Lawrence Devoe wrote:
 >
 > I have recently purchased a good condition CR7A. It appears to work fine. 
I have 2 questions I need help with:
 > 1. The 'Up Fader button' light comes on with power and stays lit during 
recording and playback unless I actually activate the "Down Fader button." 
At this point, one light dims and the other becomes brighter.  Is this 
normal?
 >
 > 2.  It is not clear when doing the Azimuth by meter where the "default" 
is.  That is, is there a standard place where the reference arrow should 
start in relationship to the adjustment bars below?
 >
 > Thank you in advance for your help.
 >
 > Also, I have a venerable 480 that has playback problems. Is it worth 
while trying to fix this machine?
 >
 >
 >
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From TRANSPLATA at aol.com  Tue Jan 11 22:39:27 2000
From: TRANSPLATA at aol.com (TRANSPLATA at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 16:39:27 EST
Subject: [naktalk] (no subject)
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Carlos :
Just received the Nak 700 manual. Thanks. You must have had a lot of fun with 
it!
Best Regards,
Jean-Pierre in Los Angeles
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From s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au  Wed Jan 12 00:02:44 2000
From: s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au (Jason Antony)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 09:02:44 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 needs speed adjustment 
In-Reply-To: <s87af482.025@mail.mcg.edu>
Message-ID: <200001112303.JAA07077@frodo.student.gu.edu.au>


Hi all

recently I purchased a Nak LX-3 in almost mint condition... am very 
very very happy with it and it runs perfectly, except that the tape 
speed is on the high side, at around 4.88 cm/s. I opened the back 
cover but couldn't pinpoint the speed control on either of the PCBs. 
I'd appreciate any help on this as I can't wait to resume recording! 
: )

Also, which is the more accepted standard, 4.76cm/s or 4.8?

Thanks in advance
Jason

************************************

Jason Antony
27 30.874' S, 153 02.814' E

Get your co-ords with GPS

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From stephen_sank at emall-online.com  Wed Jan 12 01:50:11 2000
From: stephen_sank at emall-online.com (Stephen Sank)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 17:50:11 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 needs speed adjustment
References: <200001112303.JAA07077@frodo.student.gu.edu.au>
Message-ID: <387BCFC3.36C695@emall-online.com>

The speed adjust pot on the LX-3 is located inside the hole in the back
of the capstan motor.  Just poke your small flat blade driver through
the rubber dust blocker.  As for speed, it's whatever translates to one
& seven eighths inches per second.


Jason Antony wrote:
> 
> Hi all
> 
> recently I purchased a Nak LX-3 in almost mint condition... am very
> very very happy with it and it runs perfectly, except that the tape
> speed is on the high side, at around 4.88 cm/s. I opened the back
> cover but couldn't pinpoint the speed control on either of the PCBs.
> I'd appreciate any help on this as I can't wait to resume recording!
> : )
> 
> Also, which is the more accepted standard, 4.76cm/s or 4.8?
> 
> Thanks in advance
> Jason
> 
> ************************************
> 
> Jason Antony
> 27 30.874' S, 153 02.814' E
> 
> Get your co-ords with GPS
> 
> ICQ#: 48374695
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From m.raven at chello.nl  Wed Jan 12 02:02:13 2000
From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 02:02:13 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 needs speed adjustment 
References: <200001112303.JAA07077@frodo.student.gu.edu.au>
Message-ID: <002001bf5c98$a97eb120$9e3cbbd4@chello.nl>

Is in the little hole on the back of the capstan motor.  Very common on
cassettedecks.


Maurits

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From kleimann at wt.net  Wed Jan 12 16:16:07 2000
From: kleimann at wt.net (Rudy J. Kleimann III)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 09:16:07 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Demagging Methodologies
In-Reply-To: <20000103153016.25792.qmail@web115.yahoomail.com>
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000112091607.00817640@mail.wt.net>

I also wonder about the order of instructions for using the DM-10, although
I know that when I had my PC monitor degaussed that the technician put this
humongous 15" deagaussing ring right against the monitor then turned it on!
I was shocked, but he assured me that he was using it correctly. I had used
a pair of non-magnetically shielded ADS mini-monitors for PC speakers for
three years and unwittingly magnetized the aperture grille in the monitor,
causing terrific color distortions in the corners of the monitor screen.
After "hitting it" with the Degausser about 4-5 times, the colors all
straightened out beautifully... 

Makes me wonder if Nakamichi has the right info after all. I'm going to ask
a few knowledgable folks about it when I can run into them-

Oh, BTW: the reason to demag everything along and near the tape path is
simple: You drag a megnetized item across a piece of ferrous metal, and it
will become magnetized... just running near ferrous metals can induce a
permanent magnetic field in the piece. 

At 07:30 AM 1/3/00 -0800, you wrote:
>
>I suppose I should be ashamed to admit it, but
>I still have the demagnetizer I bought at radio
>Shack a good 25 years ago. It looks very much
>like BlueSwapper's DM-10.
>
>I only mention this, because I am puzzled a bit
>by Nakamichi's instructions. Seems to me, steps
>1 and 2 should be reversed (meaning, the
>demagnetizer should be turned on first, then
>brought closer to the head), unless the DM-10
>incorporates some means for slowing down the
>magnetic field buildup, which I kinda doubt.
>(I know mine doesn't.)
>
>Without such slow down, there is a chance the
>head will receive a healthy jolt of a
>unidirectional magnetic field as the
>demagnetizer is switched on. This will
>*magnetize* the head. It's true that it will
>then be demagnetized, but I still do not see
>the point of doing things in the order
>recommended by Nakamichi.
>
>Another minor point -- I do demagnetize all
>metal parts around the tape path. Probably,
>an overkill (why would anything except the
>play head become magnetized in the first
>place?), but doing it takes less time than
>justifying it...
>
>-- Ron
>
>
>--- The BlueSwapper <blueswapper at angelfire.com> wrote:
>> Thanks to you all for the advice!  This is exactly the
>> information that needs to be more clearly understood,
>> compiled, and documented for user reference.  
>> 
>> Why do I doubt the basic Nak instructions? Simply because
>> they lack any detailed guidance on how to wield the
>> hand-held wand, what you should and should not be doing
>> with the unit. If you were looking at that little 12 x 18
>> cm paper sheet, you'd most likely be asking your peers
>> for advice also!   As Rudy suggests, I will post the
>> official Nakamichi instructions for using the DM-10 Head
>> Demagnetizer.  Here they are (all 85 words worth):
>> 
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> 
>> HOW TO USE THIS DEMAGNETIZER
>> 
>> The record and playback heads become gradually magnetized
>> with use and tend to add noise to reporduced sound.  It
>> is, therefore, advisable to demagnetize the heads from
>> time to time.
>> 
>> 1) Put the tip of the demagnetizer on the spot where a
>> running tape makes contact.
>> 
>> 2) Turn the power switch of the demagnetizer on.
>> 
>> 3) Move the tip slowly upward as shown by an arrow mark.
>> 
>> 4) Take back the tip from a head slowly.
>> 
>> 5) Turn the switch off after the tip is completely apart
>> from the head.
>> 
>> Nakamichi Corporation
>> Research Development & Manufacturing
>> Copyright 1985
>> 
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> 
>> If you want to view the step-by-step diagrams that
>> correspond to these instructions, have a peek at my Nak
>> gear informational webpage:
>> 
>> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/demag.html
>> 
>> I will also aggregate and post some of the advice you
>> fellows have offered, for others to benefit from in the
>> future.  I'll contact you directly about that soon.  
>> 
>> Thanks again!
>> 
>> Kenny Parsons
>> Madison, WI  USA
>> 
>> ---
>> Help keep the blues alive!  Got Some???
>> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper

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From kleimann at wt.net  Wed Jan 12 16:38:51 2000
From: kleimann at wt.net (Rudy J. Kleimann III)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 09:38:51 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Manuals, Blue book and FTP
In-Reply-To: <20000104202448.25859.qmail@web111.yahoomail.com>
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000112093851.0081c870@mail.wt.net>

Yeah, count me in! Whenever I break down and buy a scanner, I'll send you
what I've got. 600II owner's manual, 1000ZXL owner's manual, and a BUNCH of
very cool Nak brochures, including peripheral equipment, the BlackBox
catalog, and a large color brochure on Nakamichi microphones.

I don't have Adobe pagemaker or acrobat, so I'll probably have to send them
to you as .jpg images, unless you have any other ideas. 

Let me know where to send them by replying to: kleimann at wt.net



At 12:24 PM 1/4/00 -0800, you wrote:
>
>--- Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl> wrote:
>> Hi Everyone,
>> 
>> Let's start by wishing you all a Nakky 2000!
>> 
>> It's been some time since I asked members of the
>> list so I'll give it a try so any new members may
>> be able to help.
>> 
>> The naks.com site has a FTP server with some
>> (service) documentation in PDF format for those
>> who don't know the URL of this:
>>     ftp://ftp.naks.com/pub/manuals/
>> 
>> If you can help contributing to this collection
>> please let me know. Any scanned service manual,
>> brochure, price list or other rare Nak documents
>> where people pay rediculous prices for these days
>> on ebay is welcome!
>> [...]
>
>I have the service manual for the 700 (my 1st
>Nakamichi deck), schematic for the 582 (my 2nd)
>and a copy of the service manual for the CR7a
>(my 3rd/current/last-cassette-deck-ever).
>
>The service manuals are bulky, with far too
>many schmatic and circuit layout foldout
>pages -- impractical for me to scan. However,
>I am quite willing to look them up and supply
>info to others, or maybe even to scan a page
>or two.
>
>-- Ron
>
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From rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil  Wed Jan 12 17:00:22 2000
From: rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil (Tellez, Raul)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 17:00:22 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Manuals, Blue book and FTP
Message-ID: <3552BC4041EAD111826100A02475F2F00134DCCB@nh-rota-exch1.med.navy.mil>

I'm currently stalled on getting over 40 owners/service manuals,
plus all kinds of Nakamichi brochures, and other stuff done because
of the amount of work involved.  If someone out there can help,
please let me know...

Raul

-----Original Message-----
From: Rudy J. Kleimann III [mailto:kleimann at wt.net]
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2000 4:39 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manuals, Blue book and FTP


Yeah, count me in! Whenever I break down and buy a scanner, I'll send you
what I've got. 600II owner's manual, 1000ZXL owner's manual, and a BUNCH of
very cool Nak brochures, including peripheral equipment, the BlackBox
catalog, and a large color brochure on Nakamichi microphones.

I don't have Adobe pagemaker or acrobat, so I'll probably have to send them
to you as .jpg images, unless you have any other ideas. 

Let me know where to send them by replying to: kleimann at wt.net



At 12:24 PM 1/4/00 -0800, you wrote:
>
>--- Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl> wrote:
>> Hi Everyone,
>> 
>> Let's start by wishing you all a Nakky 2000!
>> 
>> It's been some time since I asked members of the
>> list so I'll give it a try so any new members may
>> be able to help.
>> 
>> The naks.com site has a FTP server with some
>> (service) documentation in PDF format for those
>> who don't know the URL of this:
>>     ftp://ftp.naks.com/pub/manuals/
>> 
>> If you can help contributing to this collection
>> please let me know. Any scanned service manual,
>> brochure, price list or other rare Nak documents
>> where people pay rediculous prices for these days
>> on ebay is welcome!
>> [...]
>
>I have the service manual for the 700 (my 1st
>Nakamichi deck), schematic for the 582 (my 2nd)
>and a copy of the service manual for the CR7a
>(my 3rd/current/last-cassette-deck-ever).
>
>The service manuals are bulky, with far too
>many schmatic and circuit layout foldout
>pages -- impractical for me to scan. However,
>I am quite willing to look them up and supply
>info to others, or maybe even to scan a page
>or two.
>
>-- Ron
>
>__________________________________________________
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Wed Jan 12 21:43:11 2000
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 21:43:11 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Manuals, Blue book and FTP
References: <38724F34.53420D0@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <387CE75F.C5DD03E4@xs4all.nl>


If you have files to upload:

ftp://ftp.naks.com/incoming/

You can use a regular FTP program and log in anonymous, you won't see the
files when they are uploaded so don't worry!
If you don't have such a program you can click on the link above so it opens in
your browser and drag the files onto the browserwindow and they will upload.

If you have any questions please let me know.

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From gibby at bee.net  Thu Jan 13 03:21:06 2000
From: gibby at bee.net (Gib Lappano)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 21:21:06 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] BX-300
Message-ID: <000001bf5d6c$d9050820$b05a4a3f@gibby>

Hello all,

I have a somewhat basic question. My BX-300 keeps eating my tapes. The tape
doesn't get caught up in the pinchers and rollers, rather it gets twisted
within the cassette itself. Is this merley a matter of cleaning the deck or
could it be something else? Thanks in advance for your advice.

Gib

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From gibby at bee.net  Thu Jan 13 05:04:13 2000
From: gibby at bee.net (Gib Lappano)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 23:04:13 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] BX-300
References: <000001bf5d6c$d9050820$b05a4a3f@gibby>
Message-ID: <004901bf5d7b$410a0700$705a4a3f@gibby>

Ooops. Please disregard this message. It was in my outbox in another mail
client and when I opened it, away it went. Sorry =^/

Gib
----- Original Message -----
From: Gib Lappano <gibby at bee.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2000 9:21 PM
Subject: [naktalk] BX-300


> Hello all,
>
> I have a somewhat basic question. My BX-300 keeps eating my tapes. The
tape
> doesn't get caught up in the pinchers and rollers, rather it gets twisted
> within the cassette itself. Is this merley a matter of cleaning the deck
or
> could it be something else? Thanks in advance for your advice.
>
> Gib
>
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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Thu Jan 13 13:36:18 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan S)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 18:06:18 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] Manuals, Blue book and FTP
References: <3552BC4041EAD111826100A02475F2F00134DCCB@nh-rota-exch1.med.navy.mil>
Message-ID: <387DC6C2.94A7BE2@giasbg01.vsnl.net.in>

Dear Tellez
I can help you in scanning and uploading the copy of any service manual- whatever the
number of pages as they are difficult to get and very useful to repair any electonic
part. However you may have to send me the xerox copy of the pages - I am in  India and
if that does not deter you
I had already scanned and uploaded  my BX1 service manual and it will soon appear in
Nak server.
Please let me know
Kannan

"Tellez, Raul" wrote:

> I'm currently stalled on getting over 40 owners/service manuals,
> plus all kinds of Nakamichi brochures, and other stuff done because
> of the amount of work involved.  If someone out there can help,
> please let me know...
>
> Raul
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rudy J. Kleimann III [mailto:kleimann at wt.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2000 4:39 PM
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manuals, Blue book and FTP
>
> Yeah, count me in! Whenever I break down and buy a scanner, I'll send you
> what I've got. 600II owner's manual, 1000ZXL owner's manual, and a BUNCH of
> very cool Nak brochures, including peripheral equipment, the BlackBox
> catalog, and a large color brochure on Nakamichi microphones.
>
> I don't have Adobe pagemaker or acrobat, so I'll probably have to send them
> to you as .jpg images, unless you have any other ideas.
>
> Let me know where to send them by replying to: kleimann at wt.net
>
> At 12:24 PM 1/4/00 -0800, you wrote:
> >
> >--- Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl> wrote:
> >> Hi Everyone,
> >>
> >> Let's start by wishing you all a Nakky 2000!
> >>
> >> It's been some time since I asked members of the
> >> list so I'll give it a try so any new members may
> >> be able to help.
> >>
> >> The naks.com site has a FTP server with some
> >> (service) documentation in PDF format for those
> >> who don't know the URL of this:
> >>     ftp://ftp.naks.com/pub/manuals/
> >>
> >> If you can help contributing to this collection
> >> please let me know. Any scanned service manual,
> >> brochure, price list or other rare Nak documents
> >> where people pay rediculous prices for these days
> >> on ebay is welcome!
> >> [...]
> >
> >I have the service manual for the 700 (my 1st
> >Nakamichi deck), schematic for the 582 (my 2nd)
> >and a copy of the service manual for the CR7a
> >(my 3rd/current/last-cassette-deck-ever).
> >
> >The service manuals are bulky, with far too
> >many schmatic and circuit layout foldout
> >pages -- impractical for me to scan. However,
> >I am quite willing to look them up and supply
> >info to others, or maybe even to scan a page
> >or two.
> >
> >-- Ron
> >
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From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua  Thu Jan 13 15:57:24 2000
From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 16:57:24 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Manuals, Blue book and FTP
References: <38724F34.53420D0@xs4all.nl> <387CE75F.C5DD03E4@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <014601bf5dd6$81fba380$6f6f6f6f@interactive.kiev.ua>

Hi Wouter,

It may turns this way - I'll be scanning a whole lot of manuals,
and will put them on a local Ukrainian server (very fast one!),
so you will be able to make a banner on it - or you may
get it from my server?
BTW, if you not against it - I'm planning to make a russian
mirror of your site - in russian and english as well. Please,
let me know if you are not against it.

Michael
Kiev, Ukraine

^ If you have files to upload:
^
^ ftp://ftp.naks.com/incoming/
^
^ You can use a regular FTP program and log in anonymous, you won't see the
^ files when they are uploaded so don't worry!
^ If you don't have such a program you can click on the link above so it
opens in
^ your browser and drag the files onto the browserwindow and they will
upload.
^
^ If you have any questions please let me know.
^
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From xirias at hol.gr  Fri Jan 14 11:02:47 2000
From: xirias at hol.gr (Evangelos G. Makris)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 12:02:47 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] problem with 581
Message-ID: <387EF447.6BF4@hol.gr>

Please help!
My 581 after 20 years of trouble-free operation
has refused to "lower" the head assembly when the STOP
button was pressed. So the tape is still there and the door
won't open.

What can I do? (except taking it to some "smart repairer", of course)

Cheers
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From ronami at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 14 19:35:48 2000
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 10:35:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] problem with 581
Message-ID: <20000114183548.10845.qmail@web125.yahoomail.com>


No ofense intended, but if you need to ask,
you probably do need to take it to a "smart
repairer"...

You could try to tap the mechanism lightly,
while pressing Stop. If the mechanism developed
friction or the control potentiometer became
stuck, this may dislodge it. Otherwise, a Nak
technician is your best bet. There is a very
long list of causes -- mechnaical and/or
electrical -- none of which can be fixed by
a novice.

Regards,

-- Ron


--- "Evangelos G. Makris" <xirias at hol.gr> wrote:
> Please help!
> My 581 after 20 years of trouble-free operation
> has refused to "lower" the head assembly when the STOP
> button was pressed. So the tape is still there and the
> door
> won't open.
> 
> What can I do? (except taking it to some "smart
> repairer", of course)
> 
> Cheers
> Evangelos Makris
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From stephen_sank at emall-online.com  Fri Jan 14 20:23:19 2000
From: stephen_sank at emall-online.com (Stephen Sank)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 12:23:19 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] problem with 581
References: <387EF447.6BF4@hol.gr>
Message-ID: <387F77A7.CCAE5984@emall-online.com>

If you want to just get the tape out, and possibly restore proper
operation temporarily, do the following: Take off the top cover.  Look
at the back side of the mechanism.  On the right side, referring to
looking from the front, in between the two main chassis plates of the
mechanism, you will see a two inch wide white nylon pulley with a belt
around it.  Turn on the power & then move the pulley with you finger &
see of it's motor then takes over & bring the mech to the stop
position.  If it does, you should then be able to pop the tape out.  If
it doesn't, you have a more serious problem than just dead spots in that
drive motor, the usual cause.  Either way, your deck needs professional
attention, unless it was just a case of a bad tape having jammed up.

"Evangelos G. Makris" wrote:
> 
> Please help!
> My 581 after 20 years of trouble-free operation
> has refused to "lower" the head assembly when the STOP
> button was pressed. So the tape is still there and the door
> won't open.
> 
> What can I do? (except taking it to some "smart repairer", of course)
> 
> Cheers
> Evangelos Makris
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From blueswapper at angelfire.com  Sun Jan 16 01:45:39 2000
From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 16:45:39 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Nak/Harmon Kardon decks
Message-ID: <GHDBPKNBHIBEDAAA@angelfire.com>

Greetings NakFriends!  

Does anyone have info crosslisting Harmon Kardon cassette decks with Nak decks to compare what Nak components are in the HK decks?  How many HK's have Nak components?? I'm curious.

Many thanks!!!

Mr Blues

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From blueswapper at angelfire.com  Sun Jan 16 01:49:54 2000
From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 16:49:54 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Demagg Talkin'......
Message-ID: <FFOPIPNJCMBEDAAA@angelfire.com>

Have we exhausted the cassette demagnetizing issue?  I'm starting to formulate ideas for a cassette deck demag FAQ, and will post something soon on my Nak CyberSpot site.  Stay tuned, that will be together by the end of the month!

Mr Blues

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From bgdickel at earthlight.co.nz  Sun Jan 16 02:41:12 2000
From: bgdickel at earthlight.co.nz (Brett Dickel)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 14:41:12 +1300
Subject: [naktalk] Demagg Talkin'......
In-Reply-To: <FFOPIPNJCMBEDAAA@angelfire.com>
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20000116144112.00a82bd0@pop.earthlight.co.nz>

Hello all,

Hope this isn't a silly question but I would appreciate some help in
directing me towards the source of a demagnetiser for my CR-7. I assume the
DM10 is out of production?
What other manufacturer still makes a good quality demagger...and are they
easy to get a hold of?

Thank you in advance

Brett Dickel

At 16:49 15/01/2000 -0800, you wrote:
>Have we exhausted the cassette demagnetizing issue?  I'm starting to
formulate ideas for a cassette deck demag FAQ, and will post something soon
on my Nak CyberSpot site.  Stay tuned, that will be together by the end of
the month!
>
>Mr Blues
>
>---
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>
>
>
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From mdhjwh at ozemail.com.au  Sun Jan 16 03:23:40 2000
From: mdhjwh at ozemail.com.au (mdhjwh)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 13:23:40 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Demagg Talkin'......
References: <FFOPIPNJCMBEDAAA@angelfire.com>
Message-ID: <38812BAC.BBD27F88@ozemail.com.au>



The BlueSwapper wrote:> and will post something soon
on my Nak CyberSpot site.<
What is the 'Nak CyberSpot site' & how do we get to it?

John H

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From blueswapper at angelfire.com  Sun Jan 16 06:51:59 2000
From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 21:51:59 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Demagg Talkin'......
Message-ID: <CLCDLLCKODCFDAAA@angelfire.com>

Here's the URL for the Nak CyberSpot site:

http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html


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On Sun, 16 Jan 2000 13:23:40   mdhjwh wrote:
>
>
>The BlueSwapper wrote:> and will post something soon
>on my Nak CyberSpot site.<
>What is the 'Nak CyberSpot site' & how do we get to it?

http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html

>
>John H
>
>


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From blueswapper at angelfire.com  Sun Jan 16 07:25:40 2000
From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 22:25:40 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] 20th Century Nak Achievements 
Message-ID: <MDIBGKOEFBEFDAAA@angelfire.com>

As a general interest grabber, Nakamichi has an achievements webpage that is really quite interesting.  Have a look, and learn even more about our favorite cassette deck manufacturer's accomplishments.......

http://www.nakamichi.com/news/index.html

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From alex at vovan.com  Sun Jan 16 16:02:37 2000
From: alex at vovan.com (Alexandre Vovan)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 10:02:37 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Demagg Talkin'......
In-Reply-To: <CLCDLLCKODCFDAAA@angelfire.com>
Message-ID: <000001bf6032$bc15cd80$f96e7218@slnt1.on.wave.home.com>

The site looks promising... Any idea where I can get info on the MR-1, or if
there's potential to have something on the CyberSopt site?

Thanks,

Alexandre

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com
> [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> The BlueSwapper
> Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2000 12:52 AM
> To: naktalk at naks.com; mdhjwh at ozemail.com.au
> Cc: blueswapper at angelfire.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Demagg Talkin'......
>
>
> Here's the URL for the Nak CyberSpot site:
>
> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html
>
>
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>
>
>
> On Sun, 16 Jan 2000 13:23:40   mdhjwh wrote:
> >
> >
> >The BlueSwapper wrote:> and will post something soon
> >on my Nak CyberSpot site.<
> >What is the 'Nak CyberSpot site' & how do we get to it?
>
> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html
>
> >
> >John H
> >
> >
>
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From kleimann at wt.net  Sun Jan 16 16:08:28 2000
From: kleimann at wt.net (Rudy J. Kleimann III)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 09:08:28 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Demagg Talkin'......
In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000116144112.00a82bd0@pop.earthlight.co.nz>
References: <FFOPIPNJCMBEDAAA@angelfire.com>
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000116090828.0081dc90@mail.wt.net>

Radio Shack sells a nifty little demag that has a clear plastic piece
around the magnetic rod and a lamp inside it. When the unit is powered up,
the plastic lights up, illuminating the area around the tip. Very handy. I
have one of these actually sold by Maxell.

Truthfully, it probably doesn't matter what demag. you get, as long as you
use it.

At 02:41 PM 1/16/00 +1300, you wrote:
>Hello all,
>
>Hope this isn't a silly question but I would appreciate some help in
>directing me towards the source of a demagnetiser for my CR-7. I assume the
>DM10 is out of production?
>What other manufacturer still makes a good quality demagger...and are they
>easy to get a hold of?
>
>Thank you in advance
>
>Brett Dickel
>
>At 16:49 15/01/2000 -0800, you wrote:
>>Have we exhausted the cassette demagnetizing issue?  I'm starting to
>formulate ideas for a cassette deck demag FAQ, and will post something soon
>on my Nak CyberSpot site.  Stay tuned, that will be together by the end of
>the month!
>>
>>Mr Blues
>>
>>---
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>>http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From kleimann at wt.net  Sun Jan 16 16:18:26 2000
From: kleimann at wt.net (Rudy J. Kleimann III)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 09:18:26 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Demagg Talkin'......
In-Reply-To: <38812BAC.BBD27F88@ozemail.com.au>
References: <FFOPIPNJCMBEDAAA@angelfire.com>
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000116091826.0081f980@mail.wt.net>

Uh-oh! The Nak-heads are already hounding you BlueSwapper! You shouldn't
have mentioned it unless you are ready to create it!

BTW: I assume by your name you like recordings of Blues music. I have about
20-30 C-90's of a program called "Blue Monday" you might enjoy. It was
broadcast on KUT, the University of Texas in Austin on Monday nights
8PM-Midnight, and hosted by Larry Monroe. His collection, and the UT's
Archives, are EXTENSIVE, which made for some excellent listening -and
taping! Includes a few live interviews with Blues legends, including Texas
blues greats, many of which are now deceased. If you'd like, maybe I could
share some of this with you...

At 01:23 PM 1/16/00 +1100, you wrote:
>
>
>The BlueSwapper wrote:> and will post something soon
>on my Nak CyberSpot site.<
>What is the 'Nak CyberSpot site' & how do we get to it?
>
>John H
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From robertst at sonic.net  Mon Jan 17 02:57:37 2000
From: robertst at sonic.net (Robert Stiles)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 18:57:37 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] 550 tritracer
Message-ID: <3882770F.3057E04@sonic.net>

I don't know how quickly I might get a response in real time on this
question.  It's about 9:15 on the west coast, there's a 550 portable
tritracer closing on ebay in about two hours.  Has a problem with tape
speed being a bit slow.  Current bid is at just over $100.   I would be
willing to pay in excess of $200 for one of these in good condition;
what reasonable expense would I anticipate if I went ahead and bid on
this?  What would you suggest as a reasonable price?  Anyone?  Thanks.

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From robertst at sonic.net  Mon Jan 17 03:37:57 2000
From: robertst at sonic.net (Robert Stiles)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 19:37:57 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] 550 DUAl tracer question(correction, sorry)
References: <3882770F.3057E04@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <38828083.1EF73D82@sonic.net>



Robert Stiles wrote:

> I don't know how quickly I might get a response in real time on this
> question.  It's about 9:15 on the west coast, there's a 550 portable
> DUAL tracer closing on ebay in about ONE hour.  Has a problem with tape
> speed being a bit slow.  Current bid is at just over $100.   I would be
> willing to pay in excess of $200 for one of these in good condition;
> what reasonable expense would I anticipate if I went ahead and bid on
> this?  What would you suggest as a reasonable price?  Anyone?  Thanks.
>
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From captain at bestweb.net  Mon Jan 17 01:20:04 2000
From: captain at bestweb.net (Tom Bergman)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 00:20:04 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] 550 DUAl tracer question(correction, sorry)
References: <3882770F.3057E04@sonic.net> <38828083.1EF73D82@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <38826034.C21@bestweb.net>

This Naktalk mail from last week discussing a similar problem may help
you decide.  I think all you would need is an minor adjustment.

                                Tom


The speed adjust pot on the LX-3 is located inside the hole in the back
of the capstan motor.  Just poke your small flat blade driver through
the rubber dust blocker.  As for speed, it's whatever translates to one
& seven eighths inches per second.


Jason Antony wrote:
> 
> Hi all
> 
> recently I purchased a Nak LX-3 in almost mint condition... am very
> very very happy with it and it runs perfectly, except that the tape
> speed is on the high side, at around 4.88 cm/s. I opened the back
> cover but couldn't pinpoint the speed control on either of the PCBs.
> I'd appreciate any help on this as I can't wait to resume recording!
> : )
> 
> Also, which is the more accepted standard, 4.76cm/s or 4.8?
> 
> Thanks in advance
> Jason
> 
> ************************************
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From stephen_sank at emall-online.com  Mon Jan 17 06:53:31 2000
From: stephen_sank at emall-online.com (Stephen Sank)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 22:53:31 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] 550 tritracer
References: <3882770F.3057E04@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <3882AE5A.66D4CAC@rjknet.net>

Assuming the speed it is at is steady & with no unusually high wow &
flutter, i.e., the motor is not going bad, I usually end up billing
$125-150 to bring a 550 up to spec.  Higher than my usual, due to the
age of it making things a bit more time consuming.

Robert Stiles wrote:
> 
> I don't know how quickly I might get a response in real time on this
> question.  It's about 9:15 on the west coast, there's a 550 portable
> tritracer closing on ebay in about two hours.  Has a problem with tape
> speed being a bit slow.  Current bid is at just over $100.   I would be
> willing to pay in excess of $200 for one of these in good condition;
> what reasonable expense would I anticipate if I went ahead and bid on
> this?  What would you suggest as a reasonable price?  Anyone?  Thanks.
> 
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From roy.svensson at hdk.gu.se  Mon Jan 17 09:57:17 2000
From: roy.svensson at hdk.gu.se (roy.svensson at hdk.gu.se)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 09:57:17 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] 700 manual
Message-ID: <200001170856.JAA05546@zebra.naks.com>

  Carlos
I have just received the Nak 700 manual.
Thanks a lot.

Roy in Sweden


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From blueswapper at angelfire.com  Mon Jan 17 17:24:51 2000
From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 08:24:51 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] DeMagg Talkin' (2)....
Message-ID: <APABPJOGMFDMDAAA@angelfire.com>

Greetings.......

Just saw a Nak DM-10 on the ebay auction block.  DM-10s were sold for $35 US at authorized dealers back in the mid-'80s.  Up in Minneapolis, Minnesota, I recently saw an apparently new ('80s vintage) DM-10 sitting in a dealers glass show case, offered for the original $35 price!  Guess who bought that one <cheshire cat's grin across my face>.  During the last six months, I've seen used DM-10s going for anywhere from $40 to $75 on internet auction sites. 

Radio Shack has a nice model, as described earlier.  Another source for a reasonably priced wand is the 'Parts Express' CyberStore, which has an off-name brand demagg wand (#350-140) for under $10 US.  Parts Express website address is:

http://www.partsexpress.com

Do a search under "demagnetizer tools".

By the way, you can find all the cleaning accessories needed to self-maintain your decks from Parts Express, at very reasonable prices!  From cleaning solutions, to swabs, jeweler's tweesers & magnifiers, to soldering gear and demagg wands, they've got it all.  No Nakamichi replacement parts though, you gotta call Torrance, California for that stuff!!!

Mr Blues

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http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 14:41:12 +1300
From: Brett Dickel <bgdickel at earthlight.co.nz>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Demagg Talkin'......

Hello all,

Hope this isn't a silly question but I would appreciate some help in directing me towards the source of a demagnetiser for my CR-7. I assume the DM-10 is out of production? What other manufacturer still makes a good quality demagger...and are they easy to get a hold of?

Thank you in advance

Brett Dickel

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From copytec at coqui.net  Mon Jan 17 20:05:00 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 14:05:00 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] 700 manual
References: <200001170856.JAA05546@zebra.naks.com>
Message-ID: <003c01bf611d$c1384720$172f2ac4@coqui.net>

GOOD ! Enjoy it !

Carlos

----- Original Message -----
From: <roy.svensson at hdk.gu.se>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2000 3:57 AM
Subject: [naktalk] 700 manual


>   Carlos
> I have just received the Nak 700 manual.
> Thanks a lot.
>
> Roy in Sweden
>
>
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From stephen_sank at emall-online.com  Mon Jan 17 21:20:24 2000
From: stephen_sank at emall-online.com (Stephen Sank)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 13:20:24 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] 550 tritracer
References: <3882770F.3057E04@sonic.net> <3882AE5A.66D4CAC@rjknet.net> <001801bf60de$fd96fc00$6f6f6f6f@interactive.kiev.ua>
Message-ID: <38837988.7B60ED58@emall-online.com>

The 500 does not have the same motor as the 550, as the 550 has that big
DC-DC converter box, that also has a major portion of the motor servo
within, particularly the current limiting for the FF/REW high speed
mode.  I have found most 550 motors, as well as 500 & 600 series motors,
to be non-responsive to overhauling, i.e., the sleeve bearings go bad.

MVM wrote:
> 
> Stephen,
> 
> What's wrong going with these motors? I have Sansui 700
> which is almost Nak 500. And there is defenitely a motor problem -
> unusual high wow & flutter. I notice that there is unusual motor,
> an there is no way for m to find such here in Ukraine. Maybe nowhere.
> So I'm planning to change the motor for more common style. Is there
> any advices - what should I do - try to repair old motor or just
> install a new one with the new regulator?
> 
> Thanks,
> Michael.
> 
> > Assuming the speed it is at is steady & with no unusually high wow &
> > flutter, i.e., the motor is not going bad, I usually end up billing
> > $125-150 to bring a 550 up to spec.  Higher than my usual, due to the
> > age of it making things a bit more time consuming.

-- 
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http://emall-online.com/cvspeakerco/default.htm
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From khambawati at hotmail.com  Tue Jan 18 15:54:07 2000
From: khambawati at hotmail.com (Debashish Chakravarti)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 09:54:07 EST
Subject: [naktalk] Inquiry for naktalk
Message-ID: <20000118145407.52291.qmail@hotmail.com>


1.This concerns a Nakamichi LX-3 continuously owned since purchase in 
Hongkong in 1981.

2.When the Record and Play button are pressed together for recording, the 
Rec Mute lights up and the only recorded signal one can hear on playback is 
a hum in both channels of -20 dB.

3.Also, the Master Fader refuses to operate when the deck is in Record 
standby mode(it remains in Up i.e. Fade In mode).

4.The transport makes a grinding sound when  the cassette reaches the 
beginning or the end after Rewind or Fast Forward.

5.Transport movement is no longer smooth in Play mode. Appears to be uneven.

7. The deck was serviced by an expert amateur two years ago. No parts were 
changed.
6. Any help would be appreciated. Also tips on Nakamichi servicing in the 
Ottawa area.

D.Chakravarti
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From pperham at wizvax.net  Tue Jan 18 16:21:50 2000
From: pperham at wizvax.net (Phil & Lydia Perham)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 10:21:50 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Texas Blues Greats
Message-ID: <002a01bf61c7$e56d6080$6ea261cc@default>

Hmmmm!?  "Texas Blues Greats"...  Is there any Stevie Ray Vaughan?
I have a decent collection of SRV shows and would be willing to trade
for like.

Phil


-----Original Message-----
From: Rudy J. Kleimann III <kleimann at wt.net>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Sunday, January 16, 2000 10:40 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Demagg Talkin'......


>Uh-oh! The Nak-heads are already hounding you BlueSwapper! You
shouldn't
>have mentioned it unless you are ready to create it!
>
>BTW: I assume by your name you like recordings of Blues music. I have
about
>20-30 C-90's of a program called "Blue Monday" you might enjoy. It was
>broadcast on KUT, the University of Texas in Austin on Monday nights
>8PM-Midnight, and hosted by Larry Monroe. His collection, and the UT's
>Archives, are EXTENSIVE, which made for some excellent listening -and
>taping! Includes a few live interviews with Blues legends, including
Texas
>blues greats, many of which are now deceased. If you'd like, maybe I
could
>share some of this with you...
>
>At 01:23 PM 1/16/00 +1100, you wrote:
>>
>>
>>The BlueSwapper wrote:> and will post something soon
>>on my Nak CyberSpot site.<
>>What is the 'Nak CyberSpot site' & how do we get to it?
>>
>>John H
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From ronami at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 19 01:41:59 2000
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 16:41:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Inquiry for naktalk
Message-ID: <20000119004159.22798.qmail@web106.yahoomail.com>


Debashish,

You seem to have a couple of unrelated faults.
Problems 2 and 3 sound like electrical faults
in the deck control circuit. Problems 4 and 5
sound like mechanical faults in the transport.

Your friend that serviced the deck did not do
a complete job. Normally, one would replace
at least the belts. Possibly (after 17 years of
operation), the pinch rollers as well.

Good luck,

-- Ron


--- Debashish Chakravarti <khambawati at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 1.This concerns a Nakamichi LX-3 continuously owned since
> purchase in Hongkong in 1981.
> 
> 2.When the Record and Play button are pressed together
> for recording, the Rec Mute lights up and the only
> recorded signal one can hear on playback is 
> a hum in both channels of -20 dB.
> 
> 3.Also, the Master Fader refuses to operate when the deck
> is in Record standby mode(it remains in Up i.e. Fade In
> mode).
> 
> 4.The transport makes a grinding sound when  the cassette
> reaches the beginning or the end after Rewind or Fast
> Forward.
> 
> 5.Transport movement is no longer smooth in Play mode.
> Appears to be uneven.
> 
> 7. The deck was serviced by an expert amateur two years
> ago. No parts were changed.

> 6. Any help would be appreciated. Also tips on Nakamichi
> servicing in the Ottawa area.
> 
> D.Chakravarti
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From eriep at stewstras.net  Wed Jan 19 02:27:43 2000
From: eriep at stewstras.net (Erie Patsellis)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 19:27:43 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] 700II help....
Message-ID: <002801bf621c$628bd200$0100a8c0@office>

hello all, 
my beloved 700II (much underused these days) has developed 
a little bit of crankyness. only r channel works in p/b. my thought is
to open her up, clean the mode switch (I think it has one, been about
8 years since I've opened her up...Steve??) Do a thorough cleaning, 
rebelt...the usual stuff. Anybody have any Ideas?? 


erie


btw, I am still looking for an ugly 700II for a second deck.




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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Wed Jan 19 06:32:06 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 22:32:06 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] 700II help....
References: <002801bf621c$628bd200$0100a8c0@office>
Message-ID: <38854C56.79483A4D@rjknet.net>

I think you will find your problem is caused by loosening of edge
connector contacts among the circuit boards.  Best to do them all at
once.  You need to pull the front panel to extract the sub-circuit
boards.  They also use these connectors for cable bundle connections to
the mother & logic boards.  Pull each one, use a dental pick or tiny
screwdriver to tighten each individual spring contact & then apply a
contact cleaner, e.g. Caig DN5, to the board edge contact areas. 
Tedious job, but not terribly hard.

Erie Patsellis wrote:
> 
> hello all,
> my beloved 700II (much underused these days) has developed
> a little bit of crankyness. only r channel works in p/b. my thought is
> to open her up, clean the mode switch (I think it has one, been about
> 8 years since I've opened her up...Steve??) Do a thorough cleaning,
> rebelt...the usual stuff. Anybody have any Ideas??
> 
> erie
> 
> btw, I am still looking for an ugly 700II for a second deck.
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From copytec at coqui.net  Sun Jan 23 00:52:37 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 18:52:37 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Manual
Message-ID: <004301bf6533$c4442140$632f2ac4@coqui.net>

Hello Fellows:

Perhaps you or one of your friends have a Tandberg 3014-A
owner's manual that can make me a Xerox copy. Let me know, please !

Best,

The Tape Man

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From copytec at coqui.net  Sun Jan 23 01:20:40 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 19:20:40 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
Message-ID: <004901bf6537$ae4000e0$632f2ac4@coqui.net>

Hello my Nakamaniacs friends:

I think this may be interesting to most of you, and since this list has
become too slow, I gonna give it a shot.

This has been my experiences after living with the best cassette decks ever
built. I want to clarify that my point of views are mostly about sonic
attributes and not technical.

Well, here I go:

Nakamichi 700 & 700 II : All began here and if you take a look of what were
available in those years, Nakamichi was clearly ahead of its time. The only
drawback is that they were expensive. $895.00 for a unit in 1975 was a lot
of money !

Nakamichi 700 ZXL: One of the most beautiful decks I've ever have. Very
impressive looking and sounding. Too expensive for a cassette deck: $3,000
but worth every penny. The autozymuth and auto aligning of the tape is
terrific. Highly recomended for those in Nak. collecting hobby. She's now
more popular than ever among the Nakamaniacs.

Nakamichi 1000 ZXL: My beloved blackie and simply the most amazing and
impressive deck ever made in the history of the cassette recording. It's
gigantic and weights more than my wife. Sonically speaking is more or less
the same as the 700 ZXL with a little more of "air" in the highs. This is
truly a fine piece for collection but good condition units are scarce and
expensive. $3,800 was the price and $6,000 for the Limited Edition, but that
is another story ...

Nakamichi Dragon: Nothing beats the beast for playing back any kind of
cassette. Perhaps the most popular deck ever made among the audiophiles.
Cost on second hand units has come down considerable due to
over-availability. $2,000+ was her last price. The sound, well, anything
with a name such as "Dragon" must sound hot. She sounds very hot with a very
wide freq. response. One of my regulars for dubbing purposes.

Other brands ...

Revox B-215: Everyone in this list knows that I'm a Revox fan. My 15 years
old deck is better than ever but has broke down 4 times since I bought her
brand new. Revox service is the best in the country with all parts available
for 30 years (I'm not kidding !). Her best virtue is: anything you records
in a B-215 sounds good anywhere else. Natural sounding without that little
"over bright" sound of the Dragon, but is not the best choice for playing
back those tapes done in another decks. In that department the Dragon still
the queen. Named once by "Audio" magazine as the best cassette deck in the
world. I'm not sure about that but at least is one of the best ever made.
Last price listed: a crazy $ 3,200 !!!!!

Tandberg 3014-A: Extremely neutral sounding deck with the fastest tape
winding in the market. This deck completes the "best ever" trio in the
cassette recording history. Among the B-215 and Dragon, the Tandberg was the
ultimate expression in cassette recording from the people of Norway. Not
many bells and "lights" just a very flat sound and built like a tank. I was
looking for one of these for a very long time and I found a terrific one at
a fair price. Very, very scarce and expensive in the used components
department. Price: $2,000 +

Well, my favorites: The last 3 and I sincerely believe they're te best ever
made.

The best looking one: Ha!, the 1000 ZXL by unanimous decision.

Enjoy !!!

The Tape Man

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From mdhjwh at ozemail.com.au  Sun Jan 23 00:36:39 2000
From: mdhjwh at ozemail.com.au (mdhjwh)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 10:36:39 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
References: <004901bf6537$ae4000e0$632f2ac4@coqui.net>
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Thanks for the "best decks ever "post. Great stuff.
I would like to hear from anyone who has tweaked any
of these decks with dedicated internal pre-amps , hard wiring etc.
I have made a number of useful mods to my Dragon,
internal re-wiring with Kimber cable etc, better resistors,etc
.

John H


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From krogers at u-r-online.com  Sun Jan 23 02:32:20 2000
From: krogers at u-r-online.com (Kevin Rogers)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 20:32:20 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Manual
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----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos <copytec at coqui.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: January 22, 2000 6:52 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Manual


> Hello Fellows:
>
> Perhaps you or one of your friends have a Tandberg 3014-A
> owner's manual that can make me a Xerox copy. Let me know, please !
>
> Best,
>
> The Tape Man

Hi Carlos. I have a 3014 manual that you can have. Send me your address.

Kevin Rogers
>
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From mdhjwh at ozemail.com.au  Sun Jan 23 02:30:40 2000
From: mdhjwh at ozemail.com.au (mdhjwh)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 12:30:40 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon on E-bay
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Subject:
             FA: Mint Nakamichi Dragon on EBay!
        Date:
             Sat, 22 Jan 2000 17:06:05 -0500
       From:
             "Mark Roberts" <mrobert3 at rochester.rr.com>
 Organization:
             Time Warner Road Runner - Rochester NY
 Newsgroups:
             rec.audio.marketplace, alt.audio.equipment




Nakamichi Dragon recently serviced by Nak, aligned, calibrated,
servo-circuit brought to spec, new rollers, etc. Used very little. Original
box, manuals.

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=243599393







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From blueswapper at angelfire.com  Sun Jan 23 03:35:45 2000
From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 18:35:45 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Wand Waving Demaggs.......
Message-ID: <OAHFIOHBHILFAAAA@angelfire.com>

Holy wand waving on ebay!!!  Two Nak DM-10s on the auction block, and one of them has bids reaching over $80 usd!  Another is probably going for an outrageous price too.  What I suggest is that anyone looking for a real Nak demagg wand, you should make some inquires to the authorized Nak dealers in your region, ask them if they have any new or used DM-10s, or anything else that they recommend.  Hey, the market on ebay is just outrageous for these little wands.

Oh, there's another little item that caught my eye, and you others might want to have a peek.  Its a Nakamichi advert panel, really looking nice.  If I had several hundred dollaros, I'd get that for my basement playroom!!!

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=243166585

Hey Carlos, what's happening down in the tropics?  We're shivvering up here in Wisconsin, freezing our tails standing in 30 centimeters on snow!

Regards to all NakTalkers.........

Mr Blues

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From copytec at coqui.net  Sun Jan 23 05:25:17 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 23:25:17 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
References: <004901bf6537$ae4000e0$632f2ac4@coqui.net> <388A3F07.9FDC9AA2@ozemail.com.au>
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Very good, John. After all those mods. what are your findings, sonically
speaking ?

Carlos

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Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis


> Thanks for the "best decks ever "post. Great stuff.
> I would like to hear from anyone who has tweaked any
> of these decks with dedicated internal pre-amps , hard wiring etc.
> I have made a number of useful mods to my Dragon,
> internal re-wiring with Kimber cable etc, better resistors,etc
> .
>
> John H
>
>
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From copytec at coqui.net  Sun Jan 23 05:28:47 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 23:28:47 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Wand Waving Demaggs.......
References: <OAHFIOHBHILFAAAA@angelfire.com>
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>
> Hey Carlos, what's happening down in the tropics?  We're shivvering up
here in Wisconsin, freezing our tails standing in 30 centimeters on snow!
>
Not too much, my dear friend Mr. Blues. I'm enjoying our 70 degrees winter,
warm enough to wear my new Nakamichi T-shirt. A Christmas present from my
Wisconsin's nephew.

Carlos

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From mdhjwh at ozemail.com.au  Sun Jan 23 05:37:40 2000
From: mdhjwh at ozemail.com.au (mdhjwh)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 15:37:40 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
References: <004901bf6537$ae4000e0$632f2ac4@coqui.net> <388A3F07.9FDC9AA2@ozemail.com.au> <001701bf6559$da9a4020$48302ac4@coqui.net>
Message-ID: <388A8594.5B2E498B@ozemail.com.au>



Carlos wrote:>Very good, John. After all those mods. what are your findings, sonically
speaking ?<
Tighter bass,deeper soundstage, more transparency in the mid-range and
a much greater sense of rhythm.
None of these changes were subtle and most who know good cassette sound
are impressed. I have had "golden eared " audiophiles refuse to believe they were
listening to cassette until they had there noses rubbed in it.
Strangely the hard wiring is the modification that most people would not be
willing to carry out.
John H

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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Sun Jan 23 06:58:13 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan S)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 11:28:13 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
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Dear carlos
How come CR7 does not figure any where here? I have not heard it but considered by
large reviewers - better than Dragon in Record -replay performance and sonics? I have a
good review of Tandberg model of your choice from UK mag which compared almost 40 decks
and found Tandberg to have difficult adjustment for bias and level ( soon let me scan
that and post it here - with review comparison of CR4 !).
Kannan

Carlos wrote:

> Hello my Nakamaniacs friends:
>
> I think this may be interesting to most of you, and since this list has
> become too slow, I gonna give it a shot.
>
> This has been my experiences after living with the best cassette decks ever
> built. I want to clarify that my point of views are mostly about sonic
> attributes and not technical.
>
> Well, here I go:
>
> Nakamichi 700 & 700 II : All began here and if you take a look of what were
> available in those years, Nakamichi was clearly ahead of its time. The only
> drawback is that they were expensive. $895.00 for a unit in 1975 was a lot
> of money !
>
> Nakamichi 700 ZXL: One of the most beautiful decks I've ever have. Very
> impressive looking and sounding. Too expensive for a cassette deck: $3,000
> but worth every penny. The autozymuth and auto aligning of the tape is
> terrific. Highly recomended for those in Nak. collecting hobby. She's now
> more popular than ever among the Nakamaniacs.
>
> Nakamichi 1000 ZXL: My beloved blackie and simply the most amazing and
> impressive deck ever made in the history of the cassette recording. It's
> gigantic and weights more than my wife. Sonically speaking is more or less
> the same as the 700 ZXL with a little more of "air" in the highs. This is
> truly a fine piece for collection but good condition units are scarce and
> expensive. $3,800 was the price and $6,000 for the Limited Edition, but that
> is another story ...
>
> Nakamichi Dragon: Nothing beats the beast for playing back any kind of
> cassette. Perhaps the most popular deck ever made among the audiophiles.
> Cost on second hand units has come down considerable due to
> over-availability. $2,000+ was her last price. The sound, well, anything
> with a name such as "Dragon" must sound hot. She sounds very hot with a very
> wide freq. response. One of my regulars for dubbing purposes.
>
> Other brands ...
>
> Revox B-215: Everyone in this list knows that I'm a Revox fan. My 15 years
> old deck is better than ever but has broke down 4 times since I bought her
> brand new. Revox service is the best in the country with all parts available
> for 30 years (I'm not kidding !). Her best virtue is: anything you records
> in a B-215 sounds good anywhere else. Natural sounding without that little
> "over bright" sound of the Dragon, but is not the best choice for playing
> back those tapes done in another decks. In that department the Dragon still
> the queen. Named once by "Audio" magazine as the best cassette deck in the
> world. I'm not sure about that but at least is one of the best ever made.
> Last price listed: a crazy $ 3,200 !!!!!
>
> Tandberg 3014-A: Extremely neutral sounding deck with the fastest tape
> winding in the market. This deck completes the "best ever" trio in the
> cassette recording history. Among the B-215 and Dragon, the Tandberg was the
> ultimate expression in cassette recording from the people of Norway. Not
> many bells and "lights" just a very flat sound and built like a tank. I was
> looking for one of these for a very long time and I found a terrific one at
> a fair price. Very, very scarce and expensive in the used components
> department. Price: $2,000 +
>
> Well, my favorites: The last 3 and I sincerely believe they're te best ever
> made.
>
> The best looking one: Ha!, the 1000 ZXL by unanimous decision.
>
> Enjoy !!!
>
> The Tape Man
>
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From stephen_sank at emall-online.com  Sun Jan 23 08:19:17 2000
From: stephen_sank at emall-online.com (Stephen Sank)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 00:19:17 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
References: <004901bf6537$ae4000e0$632f2ac4@coqui.net> <388A9875.C5A69341@giasbg01.vsnl.net.in>
Message-ID: <388AAB75.E887BF65@emall-online.com>

Personally, I like the CR-7 best of all, and think it the best candidate
for upgrade mods.  Someday, I hope to find time to do just that to my
own, but you guys have me too busy doing your Naks!

Kannan S wrote:
> 
> Dear carlos
> How come CR7 does not figure any where here? I have not heard it but considered by
> large reviewers - better than Dragon in Record -replay performance and sonics? I have a
> good review of Tandberg model of your choice from UK mag which compared almost 40 decks
> and found Tandberg to have difficult adjustment for bias and level ( soon let me scan
> that and post it here - with review comparison of CR4 !).
> Kannan
> 
> Carlos wrote:
> 
> > Hello my Nakamaniacs friends:
> >
> > I think this may be interesting to most of you, and since this list has
> > become too slow, I gonna give it a shot.
> >
> > This has been my experiences after living with the best cassette decks ever
> > built. I want to clarify that my point of views are mostly about sonic
> > attributes and not technical.
> >
> > Well, here I go:
> >
> > Nakamichi 700 & 700 II : All began here and if you take a look of what were
> > available in those years, Nakamichi was clearly ahead of its time. The only
> > drawback is that they were expensive. $895.00 for a unit in 1975 was a lot
> > of money !
> >
> > Nakamichi 700 ZXL: One of the most beautiful decks I've ever have. Very
> > impressive looking and sounding. Too expensive for a cassette deck: $3,000
> > but worth every penny. The autozymuth and auto aligning of the tape is
> > terrific. Highly recomended for those in Nak. collecting hobby. She's now
> > more popular than ever among the Nakamaniacs.
> >
> > Nakamichi 1000 ZXL: My beloved blackie and simply the most amazing and
> > impressive deck ever made in the history of the cassette recording. It's
> > gigantic and weights more than my wife. Sonically speaking is more or less
> > the same as the 700 ZXL with a little more of "air" in the highs. This is
> > truly a fine piece for collection but good condition units are scarce and
> > expensive. $3,800 was the price and $6,000 for the Limited Edition, but that
> > is another story ...
> >
> > Nakamichi Dragon: Nothing beats the beast for playing back any kind of
> > cassette. Perhaps the most popular deck ever made among the audiophiles.
> > Cost on second hand units has come down considerable due to
> > over-availability. $2,000+ was her last price. The sound, well, anything
> > with a name such as "Dragon" must sound hot. She sounds very hot with a very
> > wide freq. response. One of my regulars for dubbing purposes.
> >
> > Other brands ...
> >
> > Revox B-215: Everyone in this list knows that I'm a Revox fan. My 15 years
> > old deck is better than ever but has broke down 4 times since I bought her
> > brand new. Revox service is the best in the country with all parts available
> > for 30 years (I'm not kidding !). Her best virtue is: anything you records
> > in a B-215 sounds good anywhere else. Natural sounding without that little
> > "over bright" sound of the Dragon, but is not the best choice for playing
> > back those tapes done in another decks. In that department the Dragon still
> > the queen. Named once by "Audio" magazine as the best cassette deck in the
> > world. I'm not sure about that but at least is one of the best ever made.
> > Last price listed: a crazy $ 3,200 !!!!!
> >
> > Tandberg 3014-A: Extremely neutral sounding deck with the fastest tape
> > winding in the market. This deck completes the "best ever" trio in the
> > cassette recording history. Among the B-215 and Dragon, the Tandberg was the
> > ultimate expression in cassette recording from the people of Norway. Not
> > many bells and "lights" just a very flat sound and built like a tank. I was
> > looking for one of these for a very long time and I found a terrific one at
> > a fair price. Very, very scarce and expensive in the used components
> > department. Price: $2,000 +
> >
> > Well, my favorites: The last 3 and I sincerely believe they're te best ever
> > made.
> >
> > The best looking one: Ha!, the 1000 ZXL by unanimous decision.
> >
> > Enjoy !!!
> >
> > The Tape Man
> >
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From kleimann at wt.net  Sun Jan 23 10:36:58 2000
From: kleimann at wt.net (Rudy J. Kleimann III)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 03:36:58 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
In-Reply-To: <388A8594.5B2E498B@ozemail.com.au>
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Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000123033658.00799280@mail.wt.net>

I'm interested in some details of your mods. What wire, and what'd you have
to do to get it? I hope not buy patchcords and cut 'em up... Also, change
caps?

At 03:37 PM 1/23/00 +1100, you wrote:
>
>
>Carlos wrote:>Very good, John. After all those mods. what are your
findings, sonically
>speaking ?<
>Tighter bass,deeper soundstage, more transparency in the mid-range and
>a much greater sense of rhythm.
>None of these changes were subtle and most who know good cassette sound
>are impressed. I have had "golden eared " audiophiles refuse to believe
they were
>listening to cassette until they had there noses rubbed in it.
>Strangely the hard wiring is the modification that most people would not be
>willing to carry out.
>John H
>
>John H
>
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From nicy at jet.es  Sun Jan 23 11:28:44 2000
From: nicy at jet.es (javier g)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 11:28:44 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
References: <004901bf6537$ae4000e0$632f2ac4@coqui.net> <388A9875.C5A69341@giasbg01.vsnl.net.in>
Message-ID: <002801bf658c$a68dc940$949d37c3@e9b1l7>

Dear Kannan,

I think you´re right. CR7 is one of the bets decks ever made (better than
Dragon in my opinion). I´ve had both the Dragon and the CR7 and nothing
compares the sound of CR7 in record and playback. In less expensive models
CR4 is a good choice.

I´d like to have a copy of your comparison review.
Best Regards,
Javier (Spain)

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From: Kannan S <kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2000 6:58 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis


> Dear carlos
> How come CR7 does not figure any where here? I have not heard it but
considered by
> large reviewers - better than Dragon in Record -replay performance and
sonics? I have a
> good review of Tandberg model of your choice from UK mag which compared
almost 40 decks
> and found Tandberg to have difficult adjustment for bias and level ( soon
let me scan
> that and post it here - with review comparison of CR4 !).
> Kannan
>
> Carlos wrote:
>
> > Hello my Nakamaniacs friends:
> >
> > I think this may be interesting to most of you, and since this list has
> > become too slow, I gonna give it a shot.
> >
> > This has been my experiences after living with the best cassette decks
ever
> > built. I want to clarify that my point of views are mostly about sonic
> > attributes and not technical.
> >
> > Well, here I go:
> >
> > Nakamichi 700 & 700 II : All began here and if you take a look of what
were
> > available in those years, Nakamichi was clearly ahead of its time. The
only
> > drawback is that they were expensive. $895.00 for a unit in 1975 was a
lot
> > of money !
> >
> > Nakamichi 700 ZXL: One of the most beautiful decks I've ever have. Very
> > impressive looking and sounding. Too expensive for a cassette deck:
$3,000
> > but worth every penny. The autozymuth and auto aligning of the tape is
> > terrific. Highly recomended for those in Nak. collecting hobby. She's
now
> > more popular than ever among the Nakamaniacs.
> >
> > Nakamichi 1000 ZXL: My beloved blackie and simply the most amazing and
> > impressive deck ever made in the history of the cassette recording. It's
> > gigantic and weights more than my wife. Sonically speaking is more or
less
> > the same as the 700 ZXL with a little more of "air" in the highs. This
is
> > truly a fine piece for collection but good condition units are scarce
and
> > expensive. $3,800 was the price and $6,000 for the Limited Edition, but
that
> > is another story ...
> >
> > Nakamichi Dragon: Nothing beats the beast for playing back any kind of
> > cassette. Perhaps the most popular deck ever made among the audiophiles.
> > Cost on second hand units has come down considerable due to
> > over-availability. $2,000+ was her last price. The sound, well, anything
> > with a name such as "Dragon" must sound hot. She sounds very hot with a
very
> > wide freq. response. One of my regulars for dubbing purposes.
> >
> > Other brands ...
> >
> > Revox B-215: Everyone in this list knows that I'm a Revox fan. My 15
years
> > old deck is better than ever but has broke down 4 times since I bought
her
> > brand new. Revox service is the best in the country with all parts
available
> > for 30 years (I'm not kidding !). Her best virtue is: anything you
records
> > in a B-215 sounds good anywhere else. Natural sounding without that
little
> > "over bright" sound of the Dragon, but is not the best choice for
playing
> > back those tapes done in another decks. In that department the Dragon
still
> > the queen. Named once by "Audio" magazine as the best cassette deck in
the
> > world. I'm not sure about that but at least is one of the best ever
made.
> > Last price listed: a crazy $ 3,200 !!!!!
> >
> > Tandberg 3014-A: Extremely neutral sounding deck with the fastest tape
> > winding in the market. This deck completes the "best ever" trio in the
> > cassette recording history. Among the B-215 and Dragon, the Tandberg was
the
> > ultimate expression in cassette recording from the people of Norway. Not
> > many bells and "lights" just a very flat sound and built like a tank. I
was
> > looking for one of these for a very long time and I found a terrific one
at
> > a fair price. Very, very scarce and expensive in the used components
> > department. Price: $2,000 +
> >
> > Well, my favorites: The last 3 and I sincerely believe they're te best
ever
> > made.
> >
> > The best looking one: Ha!, the 1000 ZXL by unanimous decision.
> >
> > Enjoy !!!
> >
> > The Tape Man
> >
> >
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From copytec at coqui.net  Sun Jan 23 15:30:17 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 09:30:17 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
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----- Original Message -----
From: Kannan S <kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2000 12:58 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis


> Dear carlos
> How come CR7 does not figure any where here? I have not heard it but
considered by
> large reviewers - better than Dragon in Record -replay performance and
sonics? I have a
> good review of Tandberg model of your choice from UK mag which compared
almost 40 decks
> and found Tandberg to have difficult adjustment for bias and level ( soon
let me scan
> that and post it here - with review comparison of CR4 !).
> Kannan

Simply because I have never used a CR-7 and if you recall correctly, I only
mentioned those decks that I have personally experienced. About the Tandberg
bias and level adjustment difficulty, I find it very easy and common sense
if you are experienced with tape decks. If the CR-7 is better or not than
the Dragon because such or such reviewer says so, well, I don't take
reviewers opinions very seriously. One month they say "this is the best"
and the other month is another one simply because that brand in specific
spend 6 figures in full color, full page advertisement.

You have another wonder: ZX-9 But unfortunately I don't have one to compare
neither I'm interested. One thing I'm sure and nobody can deny is that the
Dragon is perhaps the most popular deck ever made in the world.

Recap: There's not such thing as "the best sounding cassette deck" in the
world. That's bull shit. It's just a personnal matter of taste and $ money.
As to my concern, I enjoy music if it is coming out of a 1000 ZXL or a
Technics RS-M63.

The Tape Man

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From copytec at coqui.net  Sun Jan 23 15:33:05 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 09:33:05 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
References: <004901bf6537$ae4000e0$632f2ac4@coqui.net> <388A3F07.9FDC9AA2@ozemail.com.au> <001701bf6559$da9a4020$48302ac4@coqui.net> <388A8594.5B2E498B@ozemail.com.au>
Message-ID: <002d01bf65ae$c36bccc0$d02f2ac4@coqui.net>

I'll try that in one of my decks and let you know !

Carlos

----- Original Message -----
From: mdhjwh <mdhjwh at ozemail.com.au>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2000 11:37 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis


>
>
> Carlos wrote:>Very good, John. After all those mods. what are your
findings, sonically
> speaking ?<
> Tighter bass,deeper soundstage, more transparency in the mid-range and
> a much greater sense of rhythm.
> None of these changes were subtle and most who know good cassette sound
> are impressed. I have had "golden eared " audiophiles refuse to believe
they were
> listening to cassette until they had there noses rubbed in it.
> Strangely the hard wiring is the modification that most people would not
be
> willing to carry out.
> John H
>
> John H
>
>
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From alex at vovan.com  Sun Jan 23 14:52:38 2000
From: alex at vovan.com (Alexandre Vovan)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 08:52:38 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
In-Reply-To: <001f01bf65ae$5f5fec20$d02f2ac4@coqui.net>
Message-ID: <000001bf65a9$1cc1bb00$f96e7218@slnt1.on.wave.home.com>

Hi,

This may be out of the blue, as I don't have any experience with the Nak
decks, but how would you rate the MR-1? (I'm getting a used one)

Thanks,

Alex

P.S. Oh, and if anyone know where I can get the manual, it would be greatly
appreciated! :)

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From smoke at snip.net  Sun Jan 23 17:16:04 2000
From: smoke at snip.net (John M. Smokevitch)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 11:16:04 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
References: <004901bf6537$ae4000e0$632f2ac4@coqui.net> <388A3F07.9FDC9AA2@ozemail.com.au> <001701bf6559$da9a4020$48302ac4@coqui.net> <388A8594.5B2E498B@ozemail.com.au>
Message-ID: <388B2944.E2C78386@snip.net>

I just acquired a Dragon which I've had Steve Sank bring up to specs.  I'm interested in
the mods you made to your dragon as I'm sure many Dragon owners in naktalk land would be.
What were they?  Could you share them with us?  And is it something the "soldering iron
challenged" among us could do, or is it back to Steve?


mdhjwh wrote:

> Carlos wrote:>Very good, John. After all those mods. what are your findings, sonically
> speaking ?<
> Tighter bass,deeper soundstage, more transparency in the mid-range and a much greater
> sense of rhythm.  None of these changes were subtle and most who know good cassette
> sound are impressed. I have had "golden eared " audiophiles refuse to believe they were
> listening to cassette until they had there noses rubbed in it.  Strangely the hard
> wiring is the modification that most people would not be willing to carry out.
> John H
>

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From blueswapper at angelfire.com  Sun Jan 23 17:21:56 2000
From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 08:21:56 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V1 #140
Message-ID: <CMNIPEJMMJIIAAAA@angelfire.com>

Carlos!  Very nice write-up on you fav decks.  I really like the way you describe the performance strengths of those decks in moderate technical terms, easy and understandable reading for everyday users.

Perhaps other NakTalkers would consider contributing their knowledge and viewpoints abut using their own beloved Nakamichi decks.  That way, we'll learn all about the other black beauties in use across the globe.

I'll make an attempt doing a short essay about my two Naks, the RX-505 and RX-202.  Hopefully, I can muster a few coherent paragraphs by next weekend.  

Hail all Nak fan(atics) worldwide!!!

Mr Blues

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On Sun, 23 Jan 2000 06:44:31 naktalk-digest wrote:
>
>------------------------
>
>Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 19:20:40 -0500
>From: "Carlos" <copytec at coqui.net>
>Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
>
>Hello my Nakamaniacs friends:
>
>I think this may be interesting to most of you, and since this list has
>become too slow, I gonna give it a shot.
>
>This has been my experiences after living with the best cassette decks ever
>built. I want to clarify that my point of views are mostly about sonic
>attributes and not technical.
>
>Well, here I go:
>

>
>The best looking one: Ha!, the 1000 ZXL by unanimous decision.
>
>Enjoy !!!
>
>The Tape Man
>

>
>End of naktalk-digest V1 #140
>*****************************
>
>


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From ronami at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 23 17:24:49 2000
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 08:24:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
Message-ID: <20000123162449.15488.qmail@web122.yahoomail.com>


Interesting... I replaced my old 582 with a
CR-7a several months ago. Surprisingly, I
found little (that is, discernible, but not
earth shattering) sonic improvement. The
automatic record azimuth adjustment is a
nice gimmic, but, still, a gimmic -- I had
no problem doing the 582 manual adjustment.

OTOH, the CR-7a developed a serious case of
wow with older cassettes. I have cleaned it
thoroughly and replaced the capstan belt and
both pinch rollers, but a hint of wow still
remains with some cassettes. I never had this
problem with the 582.

Stephen, what upgrade mods would you recommend?

-- Ron



--- Stephen Sank <stephen_sank at emall-online.com> wrote:
> Personally, I like the CR-7 best of all, and think
> it the best candidate for upgrade mods.  Someday, I
> hope to find time to do just that to my own, but you
> guys have me too busy doing your Naks!
> 
> Kannan S wrote:
> > 
> > Dear carlos
> > How come CR7 does not figure any where here? I
> > have not heard it but considered by large
> > reviewers - better than Dragon in Record -replay
> > performance and sonics? 
> > [...]
> 
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From DWEMD2 at aol.com  Sun Jan 23 18:31:52 2000
From: DWEMD2 at aol.com (DWEMD2 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 12:31:52 EST
Subject: [naktalk] An endless debate, I guess
Message-ID: <cb.12379cd.25bc9508@aol.com>

Interesting correspondence, guys, on the merits of various decks.

I am not an initiate but have owned a few Nak decks over the years and found 
them to be beautiful pieces of engineering art. There is a pleasure in a well 
made, quality piece of equipment that you either "get" and appreciate or you 
don't. But as to claims of "sonic superiority" of this or that deck I must 
confess that these old ears (well, not THAT old) have a hard time picking up 
differences to the point that I could say with any certainty at all that this 
or that (good) deck sounds "better." Sometimes they sound subtly different 
but I would be hard pressed to say that one is "better."  

I know that some may have more sensitive ears than I or more experience in 
auditioning equipment but I do wonder if a lot of judgments about 
"superiority" would stand up to double blind scrutiny and whether, to at 
least some degree, the "Emperor's new clothes" phenomenon may be at play in 
the "audiophile" community, whether it is Nak decks or other "high end" 
equipment being evaluated. Most of the double blind tests I have seen through 
the years seem to bear up this point. I know this is a tired old debate but I 
have never seen it answered satisfactorily without recourse to arcane terms 
that clumsily attempt to capture in words ideas that are intrinsically 
"musical." Can any two people agree, save at the extremes, what constitutes 
"sweetness" or "warmth" or any of a dozen terms used by audio reviewers and 
the Stereophile set? Save in the sterile and, granted, limited world of 
measurements, the objective devolves into the subjective and these personal, 
and to that extent arbitrary, judgments then become the substance of audio 
myth.

I like nice equipment because of its build quality, attention to detail and 
the artistry and individuality of the engineers involved. I can much better 
appreciate the smooth feel of a high quality potentiometer than I can say 
with certainty that this or that component sounds superior.  And the "feel" 
is enough for me...generally if it feels right it sounds good but I have to 
say, also, that some equipment that "feels" like consumer schlock, sounds 
pretty good too. 

I know all this is heresy but can anyone give me a reasoned response that is 
not predicated on the assumption that I am an obvious rube and 
unsophisticate? 

Thanks.

Don
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From copytec at coqui.net  Sun Jan 23 19:41:04 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 13:41:04 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
References: <20000123162449.15488.qmail@web122.yahoomail.com>
Message-ID: <001901bf65d1$680e4880$97302ac4@coqui.net>


----- Original Message -----
From: Ron <ronami at yahoo.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2000 11:24 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis


>
> Interesting... I replaced my old 582 with a
> CR-7a several months ago. Surprisingly, I
> found little (that is, discernible, but not
> earth shattering) sonic improvement. The
> automatic record azimuth adjustment is a
> nice gimmic, but, still, a gimmic -- I had
> no problem doing the 582 manual adjustment.

Well, that's life. You never know what would happens next in the land of
magnetic recordings reproduction. One thing is for sure: if it's working,
don't fix it (or change it ! )

The Tape Man

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From copytec at coqui.net  Sun Jan 23 19:43:00 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 13:43:00 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V1 #140
References: <CMNIPEJMMJIIAAAA@angelfire.com>
Message-ID: <003101bf65d1$acb55b40$97302ac4@coqui.net>

Good ! I'm looking forward to read it !

Carlos

----- Original Message -----
From: The BlueSwapper <blueswapper at angelfire.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Cc: Mr Blues <blueswapper at angelfire.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2000 11:21 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V1 #140


> Carlos!  Very nice write-up on you fav decks.  I really like the way you
describe the performance strengths of those decks in moderate technical
terms, easy and understandable reading for everyday users.
>
> Perhaps other NakTalkers would consider contributing their knowledge and
viewpoints abut using their own beloved Nakamichi decks.  That way, we'll
learn all about the other black beauties in use across the globe.
>
> I'll make an attempt doing a short essay about my two Naks, the RX-505 and
RX-202.  Hopefully, I can muster a few coherent paragraphs by next weekend.
>
> Hail all Nak fan(atics) worldwide!!!
>
> Mr Blues
>
> ---
> Help keep the blues alive!  Got Some???
> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper
>
>
>
> On Sun, 23 Jan 2000 06:44:31 naktalk-digest wrote:
> >
> >------------------------
> >
> >Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 19:20:40 -0500
> >From: "Carlos" <copytec at coqui.net>
> >Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
> >
> >Hello my Nakamaniacs friends:
> >
> >I think this may be interesting to most of you, and since this list has
> >become too slow, I gonna give it a shot.
> >
> >This has been my experiences after living with the best cassette decks
ever
> >built. I want to clarify that my point of views are mostly about sonic
> >attributes and not technical.
> >
> >Well, here I go:
> >
>
> >
> >The best looking one: Ha!, the 1000 ZXL by unanimous decision.
> >
> >Enjoy !!!
> >
> >The Tape Man
> >
>
> >
> >End of naktalk-digest V1 #140
> >*****************************
> >
> >
>
>
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From kleimann at wt.net  Sun Jan 23 18:40:41 2000
From: kleimann at wt.net (Rudy J. Kleimann III)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 11:40:41 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
In-Reply-To: <001f01bf65ae$5f5fec20$d02f2ac4@coqui.net>
References: <004901bf6537$ae4000e0$632f2ac4@coqui.net>
 <388A9875.C5A69341@giasbg01.vsnl.net.in>
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000123114041.00829870@mail.wt.net>

Amen, Brother! It's about the music, man! And so much for the 'bought and
paid for' comments of many so-called "reviewers"...


At 09:30 AM 1/23/00 -0500, you wrote:
>
>----- Original Message -----
>
>> Dear carlos
>> How come CR7 does not figure any where here?
>
>Simply because I have never used a CR-7 and if you recall correctly, I only
>mentioned those decks that I have personally experienced. About the Tandberg
>bias and level adjustment difficulty, I find it very easy and common sense
>if you are experienced with tape decks. If the CR-7 is better or not than
>the Dragon because such or such reviewer says so, well, I don't take
>reviewers opinions very seriously. One month they say "this is the best"
>and the other month is another one simply because that brand in specific
>spend 6 figures in full color, full page advertisement.
>
>You have another wonder: ZX-9 But unfortunately I don't have one to compare
>neither I'm interested. One thing I'm sure and nobody can deny is that the
>Dragon is perhaps the most popular deck ever made in the world.
>
>Recap: There's not such thing as "the best sounding cassette deck" in the
>world. That's bull shit. It's just a personnal matter of taste and $ money.
>As to my concern, I enjoy music if it is coming out of a 1000 ZXL or a
>Technics RS-M63.
>
>The Tape Man
>
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From captain at bestweb.net  Sun Jan 23 14:37:25 2000
From: captain at bestweb.net (Tom Bergman)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 13:37:25 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Endless Debate...
Message-ID: <388B0415.2387@bestweb.net>

Don,
    I tend to agree with you completely on all points you made.  I have
over a dozen Naks and my love for one over another is a personal,
subjective thing, rather than because of the "obvious" performance
superiority of one over another, and often has as much to do with the
"feel" or appearance of a given unit rather than how good it sounds.  I
once performed an A/B test between my Dragon and CR-7A and I'll be
damned if i could hear a molecules's difference bedtween them.  (So much
for that controversy!)  Yet I like the Dragon better, because I just
enjoy it's looks, build quality, and control parameters more.  I like
the older Naks because of their obviously more rugged construction and
finish quality.  The newer Sankyo transports simply aren't as good.  But
my newer "Sankyo" Naks still SOUND great to me.  They are still NAKS.  I
gave my son my old  CR-1A, one of Nak's more humble entries.  He sent me
some tapes he made on cheap Sony normal cassettes, and I was astounded
by how good they sounded.  Except for the faint Dolby B hiss, they
sounded like CD's to me.  I have three LX-5's.  One of them sounds
terrific, one sounds really good, and one just doesnt' sound quite
right.  (It obviously needs some work...)  In other words there can be
major sonic differences between the SAME MODELS!  I'm certain minor
adjustment can make all the difference in sonic quality from unit to
unit, rather because one is "BETTER" than another.  I guess what I am
TRYING to say is that I love ALL of my Naks.  I have my favorites, but
they are all great performers, and I would be happy to use any one of
them, if all the others disappeared. 

                                   Tom
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Sun Jan 23 22:20:46 2000
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 22:20:46 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
References: <004901bf6537$ae4000e0$632f2ac4@coqui.net> <388A3F07.9FDC9AA2@ozemail.com.au> <001701bf6559$da9a4020$48302ac4@coqui.net> <388A8594.5B2E498B@ozemail.com.au>
Message-ID: <388B70AD.7B483EED@xs4all.nl>

Hmm, great to hear people are modifying their Naks!
I also wondered what would be there to improve but I was afraid to do it... I once did
modify my Philips CD960 cd player with new DAC/Digtal filter which greatly improved sound,
but when I changed the output opamps to the latest Burr Brown ones I had sound that was so
diferent from the original Philips sound that I wondered if I still owned a Philips!! It
then sounded like my Sony CD player! I placed the old opamps back......
So what I'm saying, does your Dragon still sounds like a Nak??? Hasn't it's sound changed
(is it improvement??) so dramaticly that it has become a brand XXX deck?
I guess I'll have to experiment with these mods, won't try them on my Dragon first... I'll
take my 'experiment' decks the BX300 or 480 for that purpose!!

Any details on the Dragon mods are welcome!

Wouter

mdhjwh wrote:

> Carlos wrote:>Very good, John. After all those mods. what are your findings, sonically
> speaking ?<
> Tighter bass,deeper soundstage, more transparency in the mid-range and
> a much greater sense of rhythm.
> None of these changes were subtle and most who know good cassette sound
> are impressed. I have had "golden eared " audiophiles refuse to believe they were
> listening to cassette until they had there noses rubbed in it.
> Strangely the hard wiring is the modification that most people would not be
> willing to carry out.
> John H
>
> John H
>
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Sun Jan 23 22:20:51 2000
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 22:20:51 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
References: <004901bf6537$ae4000e0$632f2ac4@coqui.net>
Message-ID: <388B70B3.402BAB4F@xs4all.nl>

Carlos,

I guess I share your passion for the 700ZXL (still have to find one) and the 1000ZXL,
which is my favorite and ultimate Nak (the LTD is still too expensive and hard to
find!).

To my opinion the Dragon is the best Nak for playback and the 1000ZXL for recording. I
own both units and think the 1000ZXL is just superior for recording, I guess it beats
the CR7 by far although I don't own one (this and the 700ZXL are the only decks left on
my most wanted Naks list..).
What I noticed is that you get spoiled by the 1000ZXL's RAMM automatic tape calibration
system, no other Nak does this as good as the 1000ZXL if serviced well! The 700ZXL
comes close, but it's RAMM is just a bit less advanced. This is also the disadvantage
of the 700ZXE/680ZX/682ZX/670ZX (and some more), their is calibration is automatic
(700ZXE) or semi-manual but less sophisticated. The Dragon/ZX7/ZX9 have the total
manual calibration, you notice the difference in details of the recorded sound and if a
deck adapts to a tape that it wasn't calibrated for internally by a Nak service
technician, I guess the EQ part of the 1000ZXL/700ZXl's RAMM has to do with this.....
This is also why I stick to the 'high-end' Naks for recording, others are very cool as
well (the 480 and LX3 for example) but not for recording...

Do you (or any one else) share my experience?

I don't have any other brand decks but think that your enhousiasm for the Revox B215
has convinced me to buy one when I find one for a reasonable price!

And for looks, the 1000ZXL and 680ZX are my Nak winners for looks! (those COOL blue FL
meters, in the dark.... whow!)

Wouter



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From stephen_sank at emall-online.com  Sun Jan 23 23:41:14 2000
From: stephen_sank at emall-online.com (Stephen Sank)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 15:41:14 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
References: <20000123162449.15488.qmail@web122.yahoomail.com>
Message-ID: <388B838A.CA1E4CFB@emall-online.com>

I have never run into that symptom with a CR-7 before.  I'd be
interested to know if it is a foible of that cap motor system.  If you
have a friend with a CR-7, CR-5, CR-4, BX-300 or MR-1 which you can try
these tapes on, please do it & let me know the result.  The only other
suggestion I can make is to re-hone the capstan shafts(in the pinch
roller contact area), using a very, very fine sandpaper of steel wool,
moving it rapidly back & forth while the shaft is rotating, until you
have a nice matte finish.
You should be aware that if your CR-7 was made before mid-1988, and has
not been corrected yet, it will have incorrect record equalisation, due
to a mistake in the original design calculations.  This would easily
explain why it does not sound much better than the 582.

Ron wrote:
> 
> Interesting... I replaced my old 582 with a
> CR-7a several months ago. Surprisingly, I
> found little (that is, discernible, but not
> earth shattering) sonic improvement. The
> automatic record azimuth adjustment is a
> nice gimmic, but, still, a gimmic -- I had
> no problem doing the 582 manual adjustment.
> 
> OTOH, the CR-7a developed a serious case of
> wow with older cassettes. I have cleaned it
> thoroughly and replaced the capstan belt and
> both pinch rollers, but a hint of wow still
> remains with some cassettes. I never had this
> problem with the 582.
> 
> Stephen, what upgrade mods would you recommend?
> 
> -- Ron
> 
> --- Stephen Sank <stephen_sank at emall-online.com> wrote:
> > Personally, I like the CR-7 best of all, and think
> > it the best candidate for upgrade mods.  Someday, I
> > hope to find time to do just that to my own, but you
> > guys have me too busy doing your Naks!
> >
> > Kannan S wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear carlos
> > > How come CR7 does not figure any where here? I
> > > have not heard it but considered by large
> > > reviewers - better than Dragon in Record -replay
> > > performance and sonics?
> > > [...]
> >
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From stephen_sank at emall-online.com  Sun Jan 23 23:50:11 2000
From: stephen_sank at emall-online.com (Stephen Sank)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 15:50:11 -0700
Subject: [Fwd: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis]
References: <388B5226.2D43BC92@digizen.net>
Message-ID: <388B85A3.79B09364@emall-online.com>

If you mean hardwiring input/output cables, no I definitely don't
recommend that.  I do replace the cheesey jacks with Cardas or
Vampire's, of course.  I definitely recommend replacing all internal
wiring.  Which wire depends on what function each wire performs.  I use
Cardas, LAT International & 5n-purity silver wire when I do them.  I
then replace all significant signal capacitors with Rel-Cap, MIT
Multicap & SCR/Axon in various combinations, again depending on
function, as well as add them generously in the power supply.  The most
critical resistors with Caddock.  The other significant resistors with
Dale.  All power supply rectifiers with discrete soft-recovery devices. 
Finally, all significant op-amp IC's with Analog Devices chips. 
Needless to say, even a CR-7 is a butt-load of work, but not nearly as
much as maxing out a Dragon, which has far more wiring(almost a rat's
nest), which is also a major reason that I think the CR-7 comes out
better.

George and Barbara Dupont wrote:
> 
> Stephen:
> When you do your mods, do you include hardwiring?  If not, what is your
> opinion on hardwiring?
> Regards,
> George
> Annapolis, MD
> 
>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
> Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 03:36:58 -0600
> From: "Rudy J. Kleimann III" <kleimann at wt.net>
> Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> References: <004901bf6537$ae4000e0$632f2ac4 at coqui.net>
>      <388A3F07.9FDC9AA2 at ozemail.com.au>
>      <001701bf6559$da9a4020$48302ac4 at coqui.net>
> 
> I'm interested in some details of your mods. What wire, and what'd you have
> to do to get it? I hope not buy patchcords and cut 'em up... Also, change
> caps?
> 
> At 03:37 PM 1/23/00 +1100, you wrote:
> >
> >
> >Carlos wrote:>Very good, John. After all those mods. what are your
> findings, sonically
> >speaking ?<
> >Tighter bass,deeper soundstage, more transparency in the mid-range and
> >a much greater sense of rhythm.
> >None of these changes were subtle and most who know good cassette sound
> >are impressed. I have had "golden eared " audiophiles refuse to believe
> they were
> >listening to cassette until they had there noses rubbed in it.
> >Strangely the hard wiring is the modification that most people would not be
> >willing to carry out.
> >John H
> >
> >John H
> >
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From ronami at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 24 01:59:03 2000
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 16:59:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
Message-ID: <20000124005903.18597.qmail@web117.yahoomail.com>


Thanks for your response.

There is no way I know of to verify the deck's
age. Nakamichi cannot (or will not) match the S/N
to manufacturing date. The deck does have the
upgraded reel drive (gear instead of a pulley),
but I don't know whether it came that way from
Nakamichi, or was upgraded later.

Where/how can I get data on the equalization
upgrade you mention?

Also, what other upgrade mods would you suggest? I
am sure other CR-7a owners would be interested.

-- Ron



--- Stephen Sank <stephen_sank at emall-online.com> wrote:
> I have never run into that symptom with a CR-7 before. 
> I'd be
> interested to know if it is a foible of that cap motor
> system.  If you
> have a friend with a CR-7, CR-5, CR-4, BX-300 or MR-1
> which you can try
> these tapes on, please do it & let me know the result. 
> The only other
> suggestion I can make is to re-hone the capstan shafts(in
> the pinch
> roller contact area), using a very, very fine sandpaper
> of steel wool,
> moving it rapidly back & forth while the shaft is
> rotating, until you
> have a nice matte finish.
> You should be aware that if your CR-7 was made before
> mid-1988, and has
> not been corrected yet, it will have incorrect record
> equalisation, due
> to a mistake in the original design calculations.  This
> would easily
> explain why it does not sound much better than the 582.
> 
> Ron wrote:
> > 
> > Interesting... I replaced my old 582 with a
> > CR-7a several months ago. Surprisingly, I
> > found little (that is, discernible, but not
> > earth shattering) sonic improvement. The
> > automatic record azimuth adjustment is a
> > nice gimmic, but, still, a gimmic -- I had
> > no problem doing the 582 manual adjustment.
> > 
> > OTOH, the CR-7a developed a serious case of
> > wow with older cassettes. I have cleaned it
> > thoroughly and replaced the capstan belt and
> > both pinch rollers, but a hint of wow still
> > remains with some cassettes. I never had this
> > problem with the 582.
> > 
> > Stephen, what upgrade mods would you recommend?
> > 
> > -- Ron
> > 
> > --- Stephen Sank <stephen_sank at emall-online.com> wrote:
> > > Personally, I like the CR-7 best of all, and think
> > > it the best candidate for upgrade mods.  Someday, I
> > > hope to find time to do just that to my own, but you
> > > guys have me too busy doing your Naks!
> > >
> > > Kannan S wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dear carlos
> > > > How come CR7 does not figure any where here? I
> > > > have not heard it but considered by large
> > > > reviewers - better than Dragon in Record -replay
> > > > performance and sonics?
> > > > [...]
> > >
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From stephen_sank at emall-online.com  Mon Jan 24 02:21:20 2000
From: stephen_sank at emall-online.com (Stephen Sank)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 18:21:20 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
References: <20000124005903.18597.qmail@web117.yahoomail.com>
Message-ID: <388BA910.C1B8AC2@emall-online.com>

If yours is a CR-7A US model, then the serial number after which the
problem was corrected in production was A130-08677.  If yours is before
this, it may need the correction.  Syptom is a slight but noticeable top
end rolloff in recording.  If you start recording a CD, after
autocalibration, and switch back & forth between tape & source monitor,
you will have the best chance of hearing the problem, if it exists.  The
correction mod is a rather involved procedure, for which I charge $225,
including any needed maintenance, cleaning & precision
calibration/alignment.

Ron wrote:
> 
> Thanks for your response.
> 
> There is no way I know of to verify the deck's
> age. Nakamichi cannot (or will not) match the S/N
> to manufacturing date. The deck does have the
> upgraded reel drive (gear instead of a pulley),
> but I don't know whether it came that way from
> Nakamichi, or was upgraded later.
> 
> Where/how can I get data on the equalization
> upgrade you mention?
> 
> Also, what other upgrade mods would you suggest? I
> am sure other CR-7a owners would be interested.
> 
> -- Ron
> 
> --- Stephen Sank <stephen_sank at emall-online.com> wrote:
> > I have never run into that symptom with a CR-7 before.
> > I'd be
> > interested to know if it is a foible of that cap motor
> > system.  If you
> > have a friend with a CR-7, CR-5, CR-4, BX-300 or MR-1
> > which you can try
> > these tapes on, please do it & let me know the result.
> > The only other
> > suggestion I can make is to re-hone the capstan shafts(in
> > the pinch
> > roller contact area), using a very, very fine sandpaper
> > of steel wool,
> > moving it rapidly back & forth while the shaft is
> > rotating, until you
> > have a nice matte finish.
> > You should be aware that if your CR-7 was made before
> > mid-1988, and has
> > not been corrected yet, it will have incorrect record
> > equalisation, due
> > to a mistake in the original design calculations.  This
> > would easily
> > explain why it does not sound much better than the 582.
> >
> > Ron wrote:
> > >
> > > Interesting... I replaced my old 582 with a
> > > CR-7a several months ago. Surprisingly, I
> > > found little (that is, discernible, but not
> > > earth shattering) sonic improvement. The
> > > automatic record azimuth adjustment is a
> > > nice gimmic, but, still, a gimmic -- I had
> > > no problem doing the 582 manual adjustment.
> > >
> > > OTOH, the CR-7a developed a serious case of
> > > wow with older cassettes. I have cleaned it
> > > thoroughly and replaced the capstan belt and
> > > both pinch rollers, but a hint of wow still
> > > remains with some cassettes. I never had this
> > > problem with the 582.
> > >
> > > Stephen, what upgrade mods would you recommend?
> > >
> > > -- Ron
> > >
> > > --- Stephen Sank <stephen_sank at emall-online.com> wrote:
> > > > Personally, I like the CR-7 best of all, and think
> > > > it the best candidate for upgrade mods.  Someday, I
> > > > hope to find time to do just that to my own, but you
> > > > guys have me too busy doing your Naks!
> > > >
> > > > Kannan S wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear carlos
> > > > > How come CR7 does not figure any where here? I
> > > > > have not heard it but considered by large
> > > > > reviewers - better than Dragon in Record -replay
> > > > > performance and sonics?
> > > > > [...]
> > > >
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From PLS-SES at worldnet.att.net  Mon Jan 24 03:50:35 2000
From: PLS-SES at worldnet.att.net (PERI SNARR)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 21:50:35 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] An endless debate, I guess
Message-ID: <001001bf6615$cda12660$a5684c0c@default>

Don,

I have listened to and sold alot of equipment in the past twenty or so
years, and I can tell you one thing, feel has alot to do with what you
experience with your ears! I have always enjoyed the smoothness and positive
feel of a fine piece of gear. I like to consider myself a NAK expert. I am a
certified NAKAMICHI salesman. I can tell you that to earn this title was no
easy task. I took several tests to achieve this, and to me, NAKAMICHI means
the best when it comes to recorderd sound. At least as far as cassette tape
is concerned. Music and the equipment that reproduces it, is A subjective
thing. If you like what you have bought, if it looks and feels good to you,
and above all else, sounds good to you, then all is right with the world. It
seems to me however, that fine equipment like NAKAMICHI, always rises to the
top. It is something in my blood. A habit for fine pieces of audio gear. I
own a ZX-7, RX-505, RX-303, 1000II, 600II, 600, 500, not because I need this
many decks, but because I just love to make a tape on them and listen to it
to see how faithful it is to the original. High end audio is, for me, a
great adventure!

Steve Snarr
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From: DWEMD2 at aol.com <DWEMD2 at aol.com>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Sunday, January 23, 2000 12:41 PM
Subject: [naktalk] An endless debate, I guess


>Interesting correspondence, guys, on the merits of various decks.
>
>I am not an initiate but have owned a few Nak decks over the years and
found
>them to be beautiful pieces of engineering art. There is a pleasure in a
well
>made, quality piece of equipment that you either "get" and appreciate or
you
>don't. But as to claims of "sonic superiority" of this or that deck I must
>confess that these old ears (well, not THAT old) have a hard time picking
up
>differences to the point that I could say with any certainty at all that
this
>or that (good) deck sounds "better." Sometimes they sound subtly different
>but I would be hard pressed to say that one is "better."
>
>I know that some may have more sensitive ears than I or more experience in
>auditioning equipment but I do wonder if a lot of judgments about
>"superiority" would stand up to double blind scrutiny and whether, to at
>least some degree, the "Emperor's new clothes" phenomenon may be at play in
>the "audiophile" community, whether it is Nak decks or other "high end"
>equipment being evaluated. Most of the double blind tests I have seen
through
>the years seem to bear up this point. I know this is a tired old debate but
I
>have never seen it answered satisfactorily without recourse to arcane terms
>that clumsily attempt to capture in words ideas that are intrinsically
>"musical." Can any two people agree, save at the extremes, what constitutes
>"sweetness" or "warmth" or any of a dozen terms used by audio reviewers and
>the Stereophile set? Save in the sterile and, granted, limited world of
>measurements, the objective devolves into the subjective and these
personal,
>and to that extent arbitrary, judgments then become the substance of audio
>myth.
>
>I like nice equipment because of its build quality, attention to detail and
>the artistry and individuality of the engineers involved. I can much better
>appreciate the smooth feel of a high quality potentiometer than I can say
>with certainty that this or that component sounds superior.  And the "feel"
>is enough for me...generally if it feels right it sounds good but I have to
>say, also, that some equipment that "feels" like consumer schlock, sounds
>pretty good too.
>
>I know all this is heresy but can anyone give me a reasoned response that
is
>not predicated on the assumption that I am an obvious rube and
>unsophisticate?
>
>Thanks.
>
>Don
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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Mon Jan 24 05:23:12 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan S)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 09:53:12 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
References: <004901bf6537$ae4000e0$632f2ac4@coqui.net> <388B70B3.402BAB4F@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <388BD3AF.2E546A48@giasbg01.vsnl.net.in>

Dear Wouter
I fully agree that bias and level adjust alone would not suffice and Equalisation
adjustment differs from tape to Tape and probably people judge sound quality more to that -
Infact popular tape manufacturers like TDK / Sony / Maxel change their formulation ( or
changed their formulations ) often without change in the box or cover. So I feel that is
the reason why 1000ZXL or 700 ZXL should be sounding very good as they adjust record
peaking charecteristics to suite the tape or different method to get correct equalisation.
I would like to know whether any of the circuit charecteristics or active device like
transistors and opamps also contribute to this along with record / replay heads ? My CR3
definitely doesnot sound as lively as 582. Does Revox adjust equalisation?
I would like to point out -
Linsely Hood article on his cassette deck design in Wireless World ( 1975-76!) explains
this nicely and his case for obtaining coorect bias and equalisation to reduce noise /
distortion more than wide frequency response gives subjective quality record & replay
performance. And that case  is bettered with Nak's engineering - head as well as dual
capstan -to have wide frequency response along with low distortion and noise.

Wouter Heijke wrote:

> Carlos,
>
> I guess I share your passion for the 700ZXL (still have to find one) and the 1000ZXL,
> which is my favorite and ultimate Nak (the LTD is still too expensive and hard to
> find!).
>
> To my opinion the Dragon is the best Nak for playback and the 1000ZXL for recording. I
> own both units and think the 1000ZXL is just superior for recording, I guess it beats
> the CR7 by far although I don't own one (this and the 700ZXL are the only decks left on
> my most wanted Naks list..).
> What I noticed is that you get spoiled by the 1000ZXL's RAMM automatic tape calibration
> system, no other Nak does this as good as the 1000ZXL if serviced well! The 700ZXL
> comes close, but it's RAMM is just a bit less advanced. This is also the disadvantage
> of the 700ZXE/680ZX/682ZX/670ZX (and some more), their is calibration is automatic
> (700ZXE) or semi-manual but less sophisticated. The Dragon/ZX7/ZX9 have the total
> manual calibration, you notice the difference in details of the recorded sound and if a
> deck adapts to a tape that it wasn't calibrated for internally by a Nak service
> technician, I guess the EQ part of the 1000ZXL/700ZXl's RAMM has to do with this.....
> This is also why I stick to the 'high-end' Naks for recording, others are very cool as
> well (the 480 and LX3 for example) but not for recording...
>
> Do you (or any one else) share my experience?
>
> I don't have any other brand decks but think that your enhousiasm for the Revox B215
> has convinced me to buy one when I find one for a reasonable price!
>
> And for looks, the 1000ZXL and 680ZX are my Nak winners for looks! (those COOL blue FL
> meters, in the dark.... whow!)
>
> Wouter
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From ronami at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 24 05:46:25 2000
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 20:46:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
Message-ID: <20000124044625.26113.qmail@web122.yahoomail.com>


--- Kannan S <kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in> wrote:
> Dear Wouter
> I fully agree that bias and level adjust alone would
> not suffice and Equalisation adjustment differs from
> tape to Tape ...

I believe equalization is standard for all cassette
recorders and exactly predefined for each tape type.

> ... and probably people judge sound quality more
> to that - Infact popular tape manufacturers like
> TDK / Sony / Maxel change their formulation ( or
> changed their formulations ) often without change
> in the box or cover. So I feel that is the reason
> why 1000ZXL or 700 ZXL should be sounding very
> good as they adjust record peaking charecteristics
> to suite the tape or different method to get correct
> equalisation.

I believe what the recorders adjust are recording
level and bias.

> I would like to know whether any of the circuit
> charecteristics or active device like transistors
> and opamps also contribute to this along with
> record / replay heads?

In a well designed circuit, device charateristics
(within the device spec range) do not materially
affect circuit performance. This is especially
true for op-amps, due to the high negative feedback.
This means that replacing a blown device with a new
one will restore correct circuit operation. Spread
of Rec/PB heads characteristics tends to be very
narrow.

> My CR3 definitely doesnot sound as lively as 582.

Equalization in the 582 is fixed for each of the 3
tape types. Don't know about the CR3 but suspect
this is also the case, as for all other cassette
recorders. 

-- Ron


> Does Revox adjust equalisation?
> I would like to point out -
> Linsely Hood article on his cassette deck design in
> Wireless World ( 1975-76!) explains
> this nicely and his case for obtaining coorect bias and
> equalisation to reduce noise /
> distortion more than wide frequency response gives
> subjective quality record & replay
> performance. And that case  is bettered with Nak's
> engineering - head as well as dual
> capstan -to have wide frequency response along with low
> distortion and noise.
> 
> Wouter Heijke wrote:
> 
> > Carlos,
> >
> > I guess I share your passion for the 700ZXL (still have
> to find one) and the 1000ZXL,
> > which is my favorite and ultimate Nak (the LTD is still
> too expensive and hard to
> > find!).
> >
> > To my opinion the Dragon is the best Nak for playback
> and the 1000ZXL for recording. I
> > own both units and think the 1000ZXL is just superior
> for recording, I guess it beats
> > the CR7 by far although I don't own one (this and the
> 700ZXL are the only decks left on
> > my most wanted Naks list..).
> > What I noticed is that you get spoiled by the 1000ZXL's
> RAMM automatic tape calibration
> > system, no other Nak does this as good as the 1000ZXL
> if serviced well! The 700ZXL
> > comes close, but it's RAMM is just a bit less advanced.
> This is also the disadvantage
> > of the 700ZXE/680ZX/682ZX/670ZX (and some more), their
> is calibration is automatic
> > (700ZXE) or semi-manual but less sophisticated. The
> Dragon/ZX7/ZX9 have the total
> > manual calibration, you notice the difference in
> details of the recorded sound and if a
> > deck adapts to a tape that it wasn't calibrated for
> internally by a Nak service
> > technician, I guess the EQ part of the 1000ZXL/700ZXl's
> RAMM has to do with this.....
> > This is also why I stick to the 'high-end' Naks for
> recording, others are very cool as
> > well (the 480 and LX3 for example) but not for
> recording...
> >
> > Do you (or any one else) share my experience?
> >
> > I don't have any other brand decks but think that your
> enhousiasm for the Revox B215
> > has convinced me to buy one when I find one for a
> reasonable price!
> >
> > And for looks, the 1000ZXL and 680ZX are my Nak winners
> for looks! (those COOL blue FL
> > meters, in the dark.... whow!)
> >
> > Wouter
> >
> >
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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Mon Jan 24 07:33:13 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan S)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 12:03:13 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
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Dear Ron
When you record and replay a cassette, the cherectristics may differ from playing a
standard IEC tape for play back equalisation - which is fixed and is part of the
playback amp circuit in cassette recorders. The recording is done by actively shaping
the recording charecteristics to get a flat response after this playback equalisation -
does not work the same way for all brands of even one type ( say type I) or same brand
if manufacturer changes the formulation or coating method. This can be remedied partly
by level and bias adjustments and these adjustments are done only at two frequencies
and not the entire spectrum of 30Hz to say 16 Khz. That needs  preferably by
computerised adjustment,  - more frequencies are adjusted by record chaerectrictics
shaping circuit after bias and level are adjusted.  Exactly how 1000ZXL or 700 ZXL does
this is not known to me but generally this peaking adjustment in record circuits of
regular Naks  is done by an Inductor during recorder alignment stage- not advisable
generally without costly test instruments as well as recommended procedures -  Even
with these instruments only Service Techi can do this alignment as this is tedious and
needs patience. (That is why Stephen charges 225USD for Nak CR7 A tuning in his earlier
mail!) Even this is done only on TDK or Nakamichi tapes for Nak regular recorders. So
if you know this procedures and have the tools you can tweak the recorders for any one
brand of tapes. however this is done automatically by ZXL decks and so any tape can be
tweaked on them to get correct response with low noise and distortion. So this is not
playback equalisation  but record equalisation - I hope I explained it ?

Also on Opamps - definitely lower noise opamps or better tolerance of opamps can sound
differently in the same circuit - I have done mods on my preamp and heard the
differences
Also Transistors used in Low level signals - playback amps - can be critical as you can
select a higher gain lower noise devices to get better signal to noise ratio
particularly on cassette playback as the signal levels are very low- in microvolts.
Even the capacitor in this circuit is critical like moving coil ( Phono) pick up
ampilfying circuits. What I wanted is whether circuit design as well components used in
different Nakamichi decks particularly ZXL and other machines - do they contribute to
the quality difference in playing tapes? This can be answered best by people who have
access to different service manuals and heard them.
Kannan

Ron wrote:

> --- Kannan S <kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in> wrote:
> > Dear Wouter
> > I fully agree that bias and level adjust alone would
> > not suffice and Equalisation adjustment differs from
> > tape to Tape ...
>
> I believe equalization is standard for all cassette
> recorders and exactly predefined for each tape type.
>
> > ... and probably people judge sound quality more
> > to that - Infact popular tape manufacturers like
> > TDK / Sony / Maxel change their formulation ( or
> > changed their formulations ) often without change
> > in the box or cover. So I feel that is the reason
> > why 1000ZXL or 700 ZXL should be sounding very
> > good as they adjust record peaking charecteristics
> > to suite the tape or different method to get correct
> > equalisation.
>
> I believe what the recorders adjust are recording
> level and bias.
>
> > I would like to know whether any of the circuit
> > charecteristics or active device like transistors
> > and opamps also contribute to this along with
> > record / replay heads?
>
> In a well designed circuit, device charateristics
> (within the device spec range) do not materially
> affect circuit performance. This is especially
> true for op-amps, due to the high negative feedback.
> This means that replacing a blown device with a new
> one will restore correct circuit operation. Spread
> of Rec/PB heads characteristics tends to be very
> narrow.
>
> > My CR3 definitely doesnot sound as lively as 582.
>
> Equalization in the 582 is fixed for each of the 3
> tape types. Don't know about the CR3 but suspect
> this is also the case, as for all other cassette
> recorders.
>
> -- Ron
>
> > Does Revox adjust equalisation?
> > I would like to point out -
> > Linsely Hood article on his cassette deck design in
> > Wireless World ( 1975-76!) explains
> > this nicely and his case for obtaining coorect bias and
> > equalisation to reduce noise /
> > distortion more than wide frequency response gives
> > subjective quality record & replay
> > performance. And that case  is bettered with Nak's
> > engineering - head as well as dual
> > capstan -to have wide frequency response along with low
> > distortion and noise.
> >
> > Wouter Heijke wrote:
> >
> > > Carlos,
> > >
> > > I guess I share your passion for the 700ZXL (still have
> > to find one) and the 1000ZXL,
> > > which is my favorite and ultimate Nak (the LTD is still
> > too expensive and hard to
> > > find!).
> > >
> > > To my opinion the Dragon is the best Nak for playback
> > and the 1000ZXL for recording. I
> > > own both units and think the 1000ZXL is just superior
> > for recording, I guess it beats
> > > the CR7 by far although I don't own one (this and the
> > 700ZXL are the only decks left on
> > > my most wanted Naks list..).
> > > What I noticed is that you get spoiled by the 1000ZXL's
> > RAMM automatic tape calibration
> > > system, no other Nak does this as good as the 1000ZXL
> > if serviced well! The 700ZXL
> > > comes close, but it's RAMM is just a bit less advanced.
> > This is also the disadvantage
> > > of the 700ZXE/680ZX/682ZX/670ZX (and some more), their
> > is calibration is automatic
> > > (700ZXE) or semi-manual but less sophisticated. The
> > Dragon/ZX7/ZX9 have the total
> > > manual calibration, you notice the difference in
> > details of the recorded sound and if a
> > > deck adapts to a tape that it wasn't calibrated for
> > internally by a Nak service
> > > technician, I guess the EQ part of the 1000ZXL/700ZXl's
> > RAMM has to do with this.....
> > > This is also why I stick to the 'high-end' Naks for
> > recording, others are very cool as
> > > well (the 480 and LX3 for example) but not for
> > recording...
> > >
> > > Do you (or any one else) share my experience?
> > >
> > > I don't have any other brand decks but think that your
> > enhousiasm for the Revox B215
> > > has convinced me to buy one when I find one for a
> > reasonable price!
> > >
> > > And for looks, the 1000ZXL and 680ZX are my Nak winners
> > for looks! (those COOL blue FL
> > > meters, in the dark.... whow!)
> > >
> > > Wouter
> > >
> > >
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From copytec at coqui.net  Mon Jan 24 14:31:51 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 08:31:51 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] An endless debate, I guess
References: <cb.12379cd.25bc9508@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001d01bf666f$5fb89ac0$bf2f2ac4@coqui.net>

Don:

I agree with you. That's why I never let myself buy what such or such
reviewer reccomends until I make my final judgment. Audio is full of myths,
specially the High End and probably that's why is dying. I love High End
because of the quality involved but I'm not willing to pay a house cost for
a pair of speakers or mono blocks amps. That's bull shit. I have heard many
low cost components that makes circles around Krells and Levinsons. When I
want one of those things, I patiently wait to one of those insecure
audiophiles suffering of "audiofilia nervosa" and buy the piece below the
cost. Yeah ! those who depends of his friends opinions to make justify his
mind of such a ridiculous expense.

I learned this lesson long ago and today when I pay a high sum is because
I'm gonna multiply that in profits (eg. duplication equipment for my plant )

As for which component is the best, again, it's up to you to decide and not
a reviewer that when make a terrific review the manufacturer, probably,
gives away the component for free or for a fraction of the cost in
comfortable monthly installments.

carlos

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Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2000 12:31 PM
Subject: [naktalk] An endless debate, I guess


> Interesting correspondence, guys, on the merits of various decks.
>
> I am not an initiate but have owned a few Nak decks over the years and
found
> them to be beautiful pieces of engineering art. There is a pleasure in a
well
> made, quality piece of equipment that you either "get" and appreciate or
you
> don't. But as to claims of "sonic superiority" of this or that deck I must
> confess that these old ears (well, not THAT old) have a hard time picking
up
> differences to the point that I could say with any certainty at all that
this
> or that (good) deck sounds "better." Sometimes they sound subtly different
> but I would be hard pressed to say that one is "better."
>
> I know that some may have more sensitive ears than I or more experience in
> auditioning equipment but I do wonder if a lot of judgments about
> "superiority" would stand up to double blind scrutiny and whether, to at
> least some degree, the "Emperor's new clothes" phenomenon may be at play
in
> the "audiophile" community, whether it is Nak decks or other "high end"
> equipment being evaluated. Most of the double blind tests I have seen
through
> the years seem to bear up this point. I know this is a tired old debate
but I
> have never seen it answered satisfactorily without recourse to arcane
terms
> that clumsily attempt to capture in words ideas that are intrinsically
> "musical." Can any two people agree, save at the extremes, what
constitutes
> "sweetness" or "warmth" or any of a dozen terms used by audio reviewers
and
> the Stereophile set? Save in the sterile and, granted, limited world of
> measurements, the objective devolves into the subjective and these
personal,
> and to that extent arbitrary, judgments then become the substance of audio
> myth.
>
> I like nice equipment because of its build quality, attention to detail
and
> the artistry and individuality of the engineers involved. I can much
better
> appreciate the smooth feel of a high quality potentiometer than I can say
> with certainty that this or that component sounds superior.  And the
"feel"
> is enough for me...generally if it feels right it sounds good but I have
to
> say, also, that some equipment that "feels" like consumer schlock, sounds
> pretty good too.
>
> I know all this is heresy but can anyone give me a reasoned response that
is
> not predicated on the assumption that I am an obvious rube and
> unsophisticate?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Don
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From copytec at coqui.net  Mon Jan 24 14:45:46 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 08:45:46 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
References: <004901bf6537$ae4000e0$632f2ac4@coqui.net> <388B70B3.402BAB4F@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <005701bf6671$519acba0$bf2f2ac4@coqui.net>

Well, Wouter:

I share your opinion and I'm still strongly prefer the Dragon for playback
100%. As for recording, I still prefer my old B-215 but let me tell you
something; the recently acquired Tandberg 3014-A gave me a so big surprise
that I still don't believe it.

Anyway, I never expect that deck to sound that good !

That's life ...

Carlos

----- Original Message -----
From: Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2000 4:20 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis


> Carlos,
>
> I guess I share your passion for the 700ZXL (still have to find one) and
the 1000ZXL,
> which is my favorite and ultimate Nak (the LTD is still too expensive and
hard to
> find!).
>
> To my opinion the Dragon is the best Nak for playback and the 1000ZXL for
recording. I
> own both units and think the 1000ZXL is just superior for recording, I
guess it beats
> the CR7 by far although I don't own one (this and the 700ZXL are the only
decks left on
> my most wanted Naks list..).
> What I noticed is that you get spoiled by the 1000ZXL's RAMM automatic
tape calibration
> system, no other Nak does this as good as the 1000ZXL if serviced well!
The 700ZXL
> comes close, but it's RAMM is just a bit less advanced. This is also the
disadvantage
> of the 700ZXE/680ZX/682ZX/670ZX (and some more), their is calibration is
automatic
> (700ZXE) or semi-manual but less sophisticated. The Dragon/ZX7/ZX9 have
the total
> manual calibration, you notice the difference in details of the recorded
sound and if a
> deck adapts to a tape that it wasn't calibrated for internally by a Nak
service
> technician, I guess the EQ part of the 1000ZXL/700ZXl's RAMM has to do
with this.....
> This is also why I stick to the 'high-end' Naks for recording, others are
very cool as
> well (the 480 and LX3 for example) but not for recording...
>
> Do you (or any one else) share my experience?
>
> I don't have any other brand decks but think that your enhousiasm for the
Revox B215
> has convinced me to buy one when I find one for a reasonable price!
>
> And for looks, the 1000ZXL and 680ZX are my Nak winners for looks! (those
COOL blue FL
> meters, in the dark.... whow!)
>
> Wouter
>
>
>
>
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From tapes at pls-inc.com  Mon Jan 24 19:12:29 2000
From: tapes at pls-inc.com (J W Norris)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 10:12:29 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] RAMM
References: <200001240105.CAA28777@zebra.naks.com>
Message-ID: <006601bf6697$475c7640$0501a8c0@jw>

Hello all you nakaholics,

When reading my 700ZXE owners manual I find that RAMM is not a calibration
system, but a Random Access Music Memory system, and works by sensing and
counting silent spaces of more that 4 seconds which are located between
musical selections on a tape.  Does this function differently on the ZXL
version?

Additionally, if I scan the owners manual, how do I convert it to an Adobe
file?

Thanks,

J W Norris
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From ddrucker at stny.rr.com  Mon Jan 24 19:56:28 2000
From: ddrucker at stny.rr.com (David Drucker)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 13:56:28 -0500
Subject: [Fwd: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis]
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Message-ID: <002301bf669c$b8ee0080$258c5f18@stny.rr.com>

Just -- and I mean *just*! -- out of curiosity, what would this work cost
me?
david

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From: Stephen Sank <stephen_sank at emall-online.com>
To: George and Barbara Dupont <dupont at digizen.net>; <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2000 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Fwd: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis]


> If you mean hardwiring input/output cables, no I definitely don't
> recommend that.  I do replace the cheesey jacks with Cardas or
> Vampire's, of course.  I definitely recommend replacing all internal
> wiring.  Which wire depends on what function each wire performs.  I use
> Cardas, LAT International & 5n-purity silver wire when I do them.  I
> then replace all significant signal capacitors with Rel-Cap, MIT
> Multicap & SCR/Axon in various combinations, again depending on
> function, as well as add them generously in the power supply.  The most
> critical resistors with Caddock.  The other significant resistors with
> Dale.  All power supply rectifiers with discrete soft-recovery devices.
> Finally, all significant op-amp IC's with Analog Devices chips.
> Needless to say, even a CR-7 is a butt-load of work, but not nearly as
> much as maxing out a Dragon, which has far more wiring(almost a rat's
> nest), which is also a major reason that I think the CR-7 comes out
> better.
>
> George and Barbara Dupont wrote:
> >
> > Stephen:
> > When you do your mods, do you include hardwiring?  If not, what is your
> > opinion on hardwiring?
> > Regards,
> > George
> > Annapolis, MD
> >
>
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> >
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
> > Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 03:36:58 -0600
> > From: "Rudy J. Kleimann III" <kleimann at wt.net>
> > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com
> > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > References: <004901bf6537$ae4000e0$632f2ac4 at coqui.net>
> >      <388A3F07.9FDC9AA2 at ozemail.com.au>
> >      <001701bf6559$da9a4020$48302ac4 at coqui.net>
> >
> > I'm interested in some details of your mods. What wire, and what'd you
have
> > to do to get it? I hope not buy patchcords and cut 'em up... Also,
change
> > caps?
> >
> > At 03:37 PM 1/23/00 +1100, you wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >Carlos wrote:>Very good, John. After all those mods. what are your
> > findings, sonically
> > >speaking ?<
> > >Tighter bass,deeper soundstage, more transparency in the mid-range and
> > >a much greater sense of rhythm.
> > >None of these changes were subtle and most who know good cassette sound
> > >are impressed. I have had "golden eared " audiophiles refuse to believe
> > they were
> > >listening to cassette until they had there noses rubbed in it.
> > >Strangely the hard wiring is the modification that most people would
not be
> > >willing to carry out.
> > >John H
> > >
> > >John H
> > >
> > >
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From HerbChong at compuserve.com  Mon Jan 24 20:08:31 2000
From: HerbChong at compuserve.com (Herb Chong)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 14:08:31 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] RAMM
Message-ID: <200001241408_MC2-9612-984D@compuserve.com>

i believe that RAMM actually encodes the information in the tape by
recording at about 5Hz or so and not by sensing silences. i don't have a
manual for my 700ZXL, but the reviews from the time for the ZXL talk about
the information actually being recorded on tape.

Herb....
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Mon Jan 24 20:27:14 2000
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 20:27:14 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] RAMM
References: <200001240105.CAA28777@zebra.naks.com> <006601bf6697$475c7640$0501a8c0@jw>
Message-ID: <388CA792.C763C23D@xs4all.nl>


Hi All,

If you refer to my mail, you are so right!
I mixed up R.A.M.M. and A.B.L.E.!!

RAMM in the 700ZXE and 1000ZXL/700ZXL differs! The ZXL's actually record something on
tape at the beginning of a 'track' where RAMM in the 700ZXE/682ZX/681ZX and all other
6?0ZX decks search the tape for 'blank' spots between recordings. I personally find
this less sophisticated RAMM more effective since you can search ANY tape for a
next/previous track when it has enough space between tracks....
J W Norris wrote:

> Hello all you nakaholics,
>
> When reading my 700ZXE owners manual I find that RAMM is not a calibration
> system, but a Random Access Music Memory system, and works by sensing and
> counting silent spaces of more that 4 seconds which are located between
> musical selections on a tape.  Does this function differently on the ZXL
> version?
>
> Additionally, if I scan the owners manual, how do I convert it to an Adobe
> file?
>
> Thanks,
>
> J W Norris
> Pacific Lighting Sales, Inc.
> Tape list at www.pls-inc.com/jwnorris
> [949] 597-1633   Fax [949] 597-1753
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From bohnen at unixg.ubc.ca  Mon Jan 24 21:31:22 2000
From: bohnen at unixg.ubc.ca (Aaron Bohnen)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 12:31:22 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] FS: Nak Cassette Deck 2 in pristine condition: $US 225
Message-ID: <E12Cq97-0006Ls-00@mail.interchange.ubc.ca>

Hi everyone,

I am selling my Nak Cassette Deck 2. It is truly superb shape - not a 
single scratch or ding anywhere on it. I honestly have never seen another 
one as good as this except when I saw them brand new on the shelf. This 
unit has very low hours also. The transport is far smoother than my LX-5. 

I have the original owner's manual with the deck as well.

Some Nakker is going to get a remarkably nice example of the Cassette 
Deck 2. Price: $US 225 and shipping from Vancouver, B.C.

More information can be seen on Wouter's superb site:

"http://www.naks.com" - just press NAKS on the left then scroll down on 
the right and click "Cassette Deck" when you see it.

I can also email digital pictures if anyone is interested.

best regards to all,

Aaron
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Mon Jan 24 22:03:14 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 21:03:14 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
In-Reply-To: <001f01bf65ae$5f5fec20$d02f2ac4@coqui.net>
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Tape Man, he say ...
>
> Recap: There's not such thing as "the best sounding cassette deck" in the
> world. That's bull shit. It's just a personnal matter of taste
> and $ money.
> As to my concern, I enjoy music if it is coming out of a 1000 ZXL or a
> Technics RS-M63.
>
Couldn't agree more.  Whether something sounds good or not is a very
subjective and personal experience.    For example, sometimes, the recording
can apparently "sound better" than the live performance!  If it does then it
would be because the recording isn't life-like.  Yet most hi fi enthusiasts
claim that the purpose of buying exotic equipment is to produce the music so
that it sounds more "natural", or "better" than on lesser equipment.  I
suspect the real trick is to listen to the music rather than the equipment
it's being played through ...

Graham

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From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 21:30:58 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] An endless debate, I guess
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Carlos wrote:

Audio is full
> of myths,
> specially the High End and probably that's why is dying. I love High End
> because of the quality involved but I'm not willing to pay a
> house cost for
> a pair of speakers or mono blocks amps. That's bull shit. I have
> heard many
> low cost components that makes circles around Krells and Levinsons.

Well, I'm glad it's not just me!  I went to a Hi Fi News & Review Hi Fi Show
in Manchester (UK) a couple of uyears back and heard a myriad of different
systems.  I must confess the best (to my ears) I heard was a expensive.  Not
Krell but Chord amps and some exotic speakers and CD player the like of
which I'd not even heard of before.  And the sound was truly
"shut-your-eyes-and-be-there" drop dead gorgeous!  HOWEVER, the 2nd "best"
was a budget set up, of amp, CD and speakers, costing probably no more than
£700 for the lot including cables.  This set up had a sound you could listen
to and not tire.

Graham

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From ronami at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 24 22:36:44 2000
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 13:36:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
Message-ID: <20000124213644.17075.qmail@web121.yahoomail.com>


Serial number of my CR-7a is A130-02853 -- way before
the S/N you mention. Meanwhile, I received email
pointing out a tiny round sticker on the back of
the deck that shows year and quarter of manufacture
(it completely escaped my notice when I was looking
for the date on that same back panel -- thanks again,
Tom). Turns out my deck was manufactured during the
last quarter of 1985.

That said, it seems the deck already incorporates
correct equalization. Switching back and forth between
Tape and Source while recoding material such as cymbals,
guitar, etc., shows no audible (to me) difference in
high frequency content.

Perhaps I should clarify my previous remark concerning
the tiny aural difference between the 582 and the CR-7a.
While I conceded a discernible advantage in sound quality
of the latter, it is my (totally subjective) opinion that
this difference is too minute to really matter in normal
use. Considering the substantial difference in cost
between the two models, I would probably had kept the
582, had I known this in advance. Of course, YMMV.

To me, both decks produce recordings that are (depending
on material) all but indistiguishable from the source,
for most of the time. The CR-7a has a slight edge in
terms of airiness of the highs and body of the midrange.
Not very pronounced, not all the time.

I wonder if others that have owned both models for a
length of time and actually lived with them, may have
a different opinion.

As to the CR-7a wow I am experiencing with some tapes,
the only other cassette deck available to me is in
the office boom box and, yes, they do exhibit the same
problem. However, I always expected that a dual capstan
drive with pressure pad lifters and other goodies is
supposed to alleviate such problems. Certainly, my old
beloved 582 never did this, with any of these same old
tapes... Oh, well...

-- Ron



--- Stephen Sank <stephen_sank at emall-online.com> wrote:
> If yours is a CR-7A US model, then the serial number
> after which the problem was corrected in production
> was A130-08677.  If yours is before this, it may need
> the correction.  Syptom is a slight but noticeable top
> end rolloff in recording.  If you start recording a CD,
> after autocalibration, and switch back & forth between
> tape & source monitor, you will have the best chance of
> hearing the problem, if it exists.  The correction mod
> is a rather involved procedure, for which I charge $225,
> including any needed maintenance, cleaning & precision
> calibration/alignment.
> 
> Ron wrote:
> > 
> > Thanks for your response.
> > 
> > There is no way I know of to verify the deck's
> > age. Nakamichi cannot (or will not) match the S/N
> > to manufacturing date. The deck does have the
> > upgraded reel drive (gear instead of a pulley),
> > but I don't know whether it came that way from
> > Nakamichi, or was upgraded later.
> > 
> > Where/how can I get data on the equalization
> > upgrade you mention?
> > 
> > Also, what other upgrade mods would you suggest? I
> > am sure other CR-7a owners would be interested.
> > 
> > -- Ron
> > 
> > --- Stephen Sank <stephen_sank at emall-online.com> wrote:
> > > I have never run into that symptom with a CR-7
> before.
> > > I'd be
> > > interested to know if it is a foible of that cap
> motor
> > > system.  If you
> > > have a friend with a CR-7, CR-5, CR-4, BX-300 or MR-1
> > > which you can try
> > > these tapes on, please do it & let me know the
> result.
> > > The only other
> > > suggestion I can make is to re-hone the capstan
> shafts(in
> > > the pinch
> > > roller contact area), using a very, very fine
> sandpaper
> > > of steel wool,
> > > moving it rapidly back & forth while the shaft is
> > > rotating, until you
> > > have a nice matte finish.
> > > You should be aware that if your CR-7 was made before
> > > mid-1988, and has
> > > not been corrected yet, it will have incorrect record
> > > equalisation, due
> > > to a mistake in the original design calculations. 
> This
> > > would easily
> > > explain why it does not sound much better than the
> 582.
> > >
> > > Ron wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Interesting... I replaced my old 582 with a
> > > > CR-7a several months ago. Surprisingly, I
> > > > found little (that is, discernible, but not
> > > > earth shattering) sonic improvement. The
> > > > automatic record azimuth adjustment is a
> > > > nice gimmic, but, still, a gimmic -- I had
> > > > no problem doing the 582 manual adjustment.
> > > >
> > > > OTOH, the CR-7a developed a serious case of
> > > > wow with older cassettes. I have cleaned it
> > > > thoroughly and replaced the capstan belt and
> > > > both pinch rollers, but a hint of wow still
> > > > remains with some cassettes. I never had this
> > > > problem with the 582.
> > > >
> > > > Stephen, what upgrade mods would you recommend?
> > > >
> > > > -- Ron
> > > >
> > > > --- Stephen Sank <stephen_sank at emall-online.com>
> wrote:
> > > > > Personally, I like the CR-7 best of all, and
> think
> > > > > it the best candidate for upgrade mods.  Someday,
> I
> > > > > hope to find time to do just that to my own, but
> you
> > > > > guys have me too busy doing your Naks!
> > > > >
> > > > > Kannan S wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dear carlos
> > > > > > How come CR7 does not figure any where here? I
> > > > > > have not heard it but considered by large
> > > > > > reviewers - better than Dragon in Record
> -replay
> > > > > > performance and sonics?
> > > > > > [...]
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From copytec at coqui.net  Tue Jan 25 00:03:38 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 18:03:38 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] RAMM
References: <200001241408_MC2-9612-984D@compuserve.com>
Message-ID: <002301bf66bf$41bc2820$f02f2ac4@coqui.net>

I think you are right Herb, and Nakamichi reccomends using the subsonic
filter while using the RAMM.

Carlos

----- Original Message -----
From: Herb Chong <HerbChong at compuserve.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2000 2:08 PM
Subject: [naktalk] RAMM


> i believe that RAMM actually encodes the information in the tape by
> recording at about 5Hz or so and not by sensing silences. i don't have a
> manual for my 700ZXL, but the reviews from the time for the ZXL talk about
> the information actually being recorded on tape.
>
> Herb....
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From copytec at coqui.net  Tue Jan 25 00:04:14 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 18:04:14 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] RAMM
References: <200001240105.CAA28777@zebra.naks.com> <006601bf6697$475c7640$0501a8c0@jw>
Message-ID: <002701bf66bf$56188f20$f02f2ac4@coqui.net>

Norris is right !

Carlos

----- Original Message -----
From: J W Norris <tapes at pls-inc.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2000 1:12 PM
Subject: [naktalk] RAMM


> Hello all you nakaholics,
>
> When reading my 700ZXE owners manual I find that RAMM is not a calibration
> system, but a Random Access Music Memory system, and works by sensing and
> counting silent spaces of more that 4 seconds which are located between
> musical selections on a tape.  Does this function differently on the ZXL
> version?
>
> Additionally, if I scan the owners manual, how do I convert it to an Adobe
> file?
>
> Thanks,
>
> J W Norris
> Pacific Lighting Sales, Inc.
> Tape list at www.pls-inc.com/jwnorris
> [949] 597-1633   Fax [949] 597-1753
> Located @ N33.634108, W117.714183
>
>
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From copytec at coqui.net  Tue Jan 25 00:14:22 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 18:14:22 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
References: <000001bf65a9$1cc1bb00$f96e7218@slnt1.on.wave.home.com>
Message-ID: <004b01bf66c0$c01dddc0$f02f2ac4@coqui.net>

The MR-1 is the professional version of Nakamichi along with the MR-2. The
main differences are that the MR-1 is 3 head, has balanced connectors and
the tape counter is digital. It also sounds better than the MR-2. Both are
19" rack mountable.

Good luck !

Carlos

----- Original Message -----
From: Alexandre Vovan <alex at vovan.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2000 8:52 AM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis


> Hi,
>
> This may be out of the blue, as I don't have any experience with the Nak
> decks, but how would you rate the MR-1? (I'm getting a used one)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Alex
>
> P.S. Oh, and if anyone know where I can get the manual, it would be
greatly
> appreciated! :)
>
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From alex at vovan.com  Mon Jan 24 23:57:27 2000
From: alex at vovan.com (Alexandre Vovan)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 17:57:27 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
In-Reply-To: <004b01bf66c0$c01dddc0$f02f2ac4@coqui.net>
Message-ID: <000201bf66be$634eef00$f96e7218@slnt1.on.wave.home.com>

Carlos,

Thank you soooo much for your response. I was beginning to think that the
MR-1 was unknown from the rest of the world, and that it was just not worth
even looking at. Looking at the price differences, I'm sure it's not even
close the other models that are discussed here, but I just hope it's better
than other brands that are 3-head as well, or even newer cheaper models.

Thanks again,

Alexandre Vovan

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
Carlos
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2000 6:14 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis


The MR-1 is the professional version of Nakamichi along with the MR-2. The
main differences are that the MR-1 is 3 head, has balanced connectors and
the tape counter is digital. It also sounds better than the MR-2. Both are
19" rack mountable.

Good luck !

Carlos

----- Original Message -----
From: Alexandre Vovan <alex at vovan.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2000 8:52 AM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis


> Hi,
>
> This may be out of the blue, as I don't have any experience with the Nak
> decks, but how would you rate the MR-1? (I'm getting a used one)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Alex
>
> P.S. Oh, and if anyone know where I can get the manual, it would be
greatly
> appreciated! :)
>
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From captain at bestweb.net  Mon Jan 24 19:24:11 2000
From: captain at bestweb.net (Tom Bergman)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 18:24:11 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] MR-1
References: <000201bf66be$634eef00$f96e7218@slnt1.on.wave.home.com>
Message-ID: <388C98CB.724C@bestweb.net>

Alexandre,
     The MR-1 is basically the professional version of the BX-300, one
of Nak's more popular units.  I have a 300, and it sounds great.  The
MR-1 is even better as it has Mike inputs, balanced inputs and outputs,
is rack-mountable, and is probably a little more ruggedly built.  I'm
certain you'll be happy with your purchase.

                                   Tom
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From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua  Tue Jan 25 00:33:56 2000
From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 01:33:56 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
References: <000201bf66be$634eef00$f96e7218@slnt1.on.wave.home.com>
Message-ID: <002d01bf66c3$7cbbc6c0$6f6f6f6f@1>

Hi Alexandre,

MR-1 - beautiful deck, especialy for professional use. Still be
in my "most wanted" list.

Michael
Kiev, Ukraine

> Carlos,
>
> Thank you soooo much for your response. I was beginning to think that the
> MR-1 was unknown from the rest of the world, and that it was just not
worth
> even looking at. Looking at the price differences, I'm sure it's not even
> close the other models that are discussed here, but I just hope it's
better
> than other brands that are 3-head as well, or even newer cheaper models.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Alexandre Vovan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> Carlos
> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2000 6:14 PM
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
>
>
> The MR-1 is the professional version of Nakamichi along with the MR-2. The
> main differences are that the MR-1 is 3 head, has balanced connectors and
> the tape counter is digital. It also sounds better than the MR-2. Both are
> 19" rack mountable.
>
> Good luck !
>
> Carlos
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Alexandre Vovan <alex at vovan.com>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2000 8:52 AM
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
>
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > This may be out of the blue, as I don't have any experience with the Nak
> > decks, but how would you rate the MR-1? (I'm getting a used one)
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Alex
> >
> > P.S. Oh, and if anyone know where I can get the manual, it would be
> greatly
> > appreciated! :)
> >
> >
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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Tue Jan 25 08:53:15 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 00:53:15 -0700
Subject: [Fwd: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis]
References: <388B5226.2D43BC92@digizen.net> <388B85A3.79B09364@emall-online.com> <002301bf669c$b8ee0080$258c5f18@stny.rr.com>
Message-ID: <388D566B.5563E30E@rjknet.net>

Due to the intense amount of labor, not to mention parts cost, between a
grand & grand and a half, depending on how far you want to go.

David Drucker wrote:
> 
> Just -- and I mean *just*! -- out of curiosity, what would this work cost
> me?
> david
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Stephen Sank <stephen_sank at emall-online.com>
> To: George and Barbara Dupont <dupont at digizen.net>; <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2000 5:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fwd: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis]
> 
> > If you mean hardwiring input/output cables, no I definitely don't
> > recommend that.  I do replace the cheesey jacks with Cardas or
> > Vampire's, of course.  I definitely recommend replacing all internal
> > wiring.  Which wire depends on what function each wire performs.  I use
> > Cardas, LAT International & 5n-purity silver wire when I do them.  I
> > then replace all significant signal capacitors with Rel-Cap, MIT
> > Multicap & SCR/Axon in various combinations, again depending on
> > function, as well as add them generously in the power supply.  The most
> > critical resistors with Caddock.  The other significant resistors with
> > Dale.  All power supply rectifiers with discrete soft-recovery devices.
> > Finally, all significant op-amp IC's with Analog Devices chips.
> > Needless to say, even a CR-7 is a butt-load of work, but not nearly as
> > much as maxing out a Dragon, which has far more wiring(almost a rat's
> > nest), which is also a major reason that I think the CR-7 comes out
> > better.
> >
> > George and Barbara Dupont wrote:
> > >
> > > Stephen:
> > > When you do your mods, do you include hardwiring?  If not, what is your
> > > opinion on hardwiring?
> > > Regards,
> > > George
> > > Annapolis, MD
> > >
> >
>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
> > > Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 03:36:58 -0600
> > > From: "Rudy J. Kleimann III" <kleimann at wt.net>
> > > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com
> > > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > > References: <004901bf6537$ae4000e0$632f2ac4 at coqui.net>
> > >      <388A3F07.9FDC9AA2 at ozemail.com.au>
> > >      <001701bf6559$da9a4020$48302ac4 at coqui.net>
> > >
> > > I'm interested in some details of your mods. What wire, and what'd you
> have
> > > to do to get it? I hope not buy patchcords and cut 'em up... Also,
> change
> > > caps?
> > >
> > > At 03:37 PM 1/23/00 +1100, you wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Carlos wrote:>Very good, John. After all those mods. what are your
> > > findings, sonically
> > > >speaking ?<
> > > >Tighter bass,deeper soundstage, more transparency in the mid-range and
> > > >a much greater sense of rhythm.
> > > >None of these changes were subtle and most who know good cassette sound
> > > >are impressed. I have had "golden eared " audiophiles refuse to believe
> > > they were
> > > >listening to cassette until they had there noses rubbed in it.
> > > >Strangely the hard wiring is the modification that most people would
> not be
> > > >willing to carry out.
> > > >John H
> > > >
> > > >John H
> > > >
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From mcpas at compcom.com.au  Tue Jan 25 13:12:32 2000
From: mcpas at compcom.com.au (Tony McKay)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 23:12:32 +1100
Subject: [Fwd: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis]
Message-ID: <B0000549811@cpc-server.compcom.com.au>

this stuff is all well and good  I suppose, although my probably irrational
bias against ic's/op amps makes me wonder if it would be worthwhile,
especially as you would still have the toy dolby ic's in circuit whether
dolby is used or not.
i suppose that's why i still use my 500(latest mods (1976 i think) rp53
heads and slighly modified rec amps, the last time i measured the freq
response it was flat within 2dB to around 18k, not that measurements count
a lot) at home and my 250 (which has travelled about a million kilometres)
in various cars. my kids also use some restored sonab c500's.

the older decks(250,350,500,550,700,700.2,1000,1000.2) had a lot of
advantages with their discrete circuitry, although their mech's could be a
bit clunky.

what i would really like would be a latest700.2 with the metal kit fitted
using normal and psuedo chrome tapes. i've done a few of these and they are
really great.

but hey most naks were great.

while i'm waffling on the best sounds you'll ever get out your naks will be
using some high quality mics and do your own live recordings, i've never
heard any commercial recordings come close.

----------
> From: Stephen Sank <stephen_sank at emall-online.com>
> To: George and Barbara Dupont <dupont at digizen.net>; naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: Re: [Fwd: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis]
> Date: Monday, January 24, 2000 9:50 AM
> 
> If you mean hardwiring input/output cables, no I definitely don't
> recommend that.  I do replace the cheesey jacks with Cardas or
> Vampire's, of course.  I definitely recommend replacing all internal
> wiring.  Which wire depends on what function each wire performs.  I use
> Cardas, LAT International & 5n-purity silver wire when I do them.  I
> then replace all significant signal capacitors with Rel-Cap, MIT
> Multicap & SCR/Axon in various combinations, again depending on
> function, as well as add them generously in the power supply.  The most
> critical resistors with Caddock.  The other significant resistors with
> Dale.  All power supply rectifiers with discrete soft-recovery devices. 
> Finally, all significant op-amp IC's with Analog Devices chips. 
> Needless to say, even a CR-7 is a butt-load of work, but not nearly as
> much as maxing out a Dragon, which has far more wiring(almost a rat's
> nest), which is also a major reason that I think the CR-7 comes out
> better.
> 
> George and Barbara Dupont wrote:
> > 
> > Stephen:
> > When you do your mods, do you include hardwiring?  If not, what is your
> > opinion on hardwiring?
> > Regards,
> > George
> > Annapolis, MD
> > 
> >  
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> > 
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
> > Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 03:36:58 -0600
> > From: "Rudy J. Kleimann III" <kleimann at wt.net>
> > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com
> > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > References: <004901bf6537$ae4000e0$632f2ac4 at coqui.net>
> >      <388A3F07.9FDC9AA2 at ozemail.com.au>
> >      <001701bf6559$da9a4020$48302ac4 at coqui.net>
> > 
> > I'm interested in some details of your mods. What wire, and what'd you
have
> > to do to get it? I hope not buy patchcords and cut 'em up... Also,
change
> > caps?
> > 
> > At 03:37 PM 1/23/00 +1100, you wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >Carlos wrote:>Very good, John. After all those mods. what are your
> > findings, sonically
> > >speaking ?<
> > >Tighter bass,deeper soundstage, more transparency in the mid-range and
> > >a much greater sense of rhythm.
> > >None of these changes were subtle and most who know good cassette
sound
> > >are impressed. I have had "golden eared " audiophiles refuse to
believe
> > they were
> > >listening to cassette until they had there noses rubbed in it.
> > >Strangely the hard wiring is the modification that most people would
not be
> > >willing to carry out.
> > >John H
> > >
> > >John H
> > >
> > >
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From ronami at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 25 17:19:58 2000
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 08:19:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
Message-ID: <20000125161958.17459.qmail@web112.yahoomail.com>


Kannan,

You seem to define any frequency non-linearity
designed into a cassette deck as 'equalization'.
I define equalization as the specific corrective
response defined and standardized for each tape
type. Other frequency non-linearities may be
present in a deck design (mostly, to correct for
head characteristics). In many lesser designs,
these are not adjustable. In better decks (let
alone, high-end decks), these are made
adjustable, to allow a tech to compensate for
component tolerances. It's quite true that these
adjustments may be used to tweak the deck for a
particular tape type. However, in all cases I
am aware of, these ajdustments are internal and
only avilable to a tech, not the user.

The CR-7a that you mentioned, automatically
adjusts azimuth, level and bias, but *not*
equalization. I am not sure about the ZXL designs.

As to components, what I meant to say was that,
in a well designed circuit, if you replace *any*
component (including transistors) with another OF
THE SAME TYPE that meets it's specifications, the
circuit will still measure within its own original
specification. I did not say you cannot improve
performance by replacing with different component
type or simply modifying to another, better design.
Yes, replacing an opamp with a different type that
produces lower noise, will generally improve noise
performance, to a small degree. I am not sure what
you mean by 'better tolerance of opamps'.

Of course, the design engineer of a specific deck
model has already used the optimum components and
design, commensurate with his price goal. Assuming
he knew what he was doing (a given, for Nak decks)
it's highy unlikely we can COST EFFECTIVELY improve
on the design. Yes, we can throw at it inordinate
amounts of money and effort, but I am not sure that,
beyond a certain point, the results will justify
the cost and time.

-- Ron


--- Kannan S <kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in> wrote:
> Dear Ron
> When you record and replay a cassette, the cherectristics
> may differ from playing a
> standard IEC tape for play back equalisation - which is
> fixed and is part of the
> playback amp circuit in cassette recorders. The recording
> is done by actively shaping
> the recording charecteristics to get a flat response
> after this playback equalisation -
> does not work the same way for all brands of even one
> type ( say type I) or same brand
> if manufacturer changes the formulation or coating
> method. This can be remedied partly
> by level and bias adjustments and these adjustments are
> done only at two frequencies
> and not the entire spectrum of 30Hz to say 16 Khz. That
> needs  preferably by
> computerised adjustment,  - more frequencies are adjusted
> by record chaerectrictics
> shaping circuit after bias and level are adjusted. 
> Exactly how 1000ZXL or 700 ZXL does
> this is not known to me but generally this peaking
> adjustment in record circuits of
> regular Naks  is done by an Inductor during recorder
> alignment stage- not advisable
> generally without costly test instruments as well as
> recommended procedures -  Even
> with these instruments only Service Techi can do this
> alignment as this is tedious and
> needs patience. (That is why Stephen charges 225USD for
> Nak CR7 A tuning in his earlier
> mail!) Even this is done only on TDK or Nakamichi tapes
> for Nak regular recorders. So
> if you know this procedures and have the tools you can
> tweak the recorders for any one
> brand of tapes. however this is done automatically by ZXL
> decks and so any tape can be
> tweaked on them to get correct response with low noise
> and distortion. So this is not
> playback equalisation  but record equalisation - I hope I
> explained it ?
> 
> Also on Opamps - definitely lower noise opamps or better
> tolerance of opamps can sound
> differently in the same circuit - I have done mods on my
> preamp and heard the
> differences
> Also Transistors used in Low level signals - playback
> amps - can be critical as you can
> select a higher gain lower noise devices to get better
> signal to noise ratio
> particularly on cassette playback as the signal levels
> are very low- in microvolts.
> Even the capacitor in this circuit is critical like
> moving coil ( Phono) pick up
> ampilfying circuits. What I wanted is whether circuit
> design as well components used in
> different Nakamichi decks particularly ZXL and other
> machines - do they contribute to
> the quality difference in playing tapes? This can be
> answered best by people who have
> access to different service manuals and heard them.
> Kannan
> 
> Ron wrote:
> 
> > --- Kannan S <kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in> wrote:
> > > Dear Wouter
> > > I fully agree that bias and level adjust alone would
> > > not suffice and Equalisation adjustment differs from
> > > tape to Tape ...
> >
> > I believe equalization is standard for all cassette
> > recorders and exactly predefined for each tape type.
> >
> > > ... and probably people judge sound quality more
> > > to that - Infact popular tape manufacturers like
> > > TDK / Sony / Maxel change their formulation ( or
> > > changed their formulations ) often without change
> > > in the box or cover. So I feel that is the reason
> > > why 1000ZXL or 700 ZXL should be sounding very
> > > good as they adjust record peaking charecteristics
> > > to suite the tape or different method to get correct
> > > equalisation.
> >
> > I believe what the recorders adjust are recording
> > level and bias.
> >
> > > I would like to know whether any of the circuit
> > > charecteristics or active device like transistors
> > > and opamps also contribute to this along with
> > > record / replay heads?
> >
> > In a well designed circuit, device charateristics
> > (within the device spec range) do not materially
> > affect circuit performance. This is especially
> > true for op-amps, due to the high negative feedback.
> > This means that replacing a blown device with a new
> > one will restore correct circuit operation. Spread
> > of Rec/PB heads characteristics tends to be very
> > narrow.
> >
> > > My CR3 definitely doesnot sound as lively as 582.
> >
> > Equalization in the 582 is fixed for each of the 3
> > tape types. Don't know about the CR3 but suspect
> > this is also the case, as for all other cassette
> > recorders.
> >
> > -- Ron
> >
> > > Does Revox adjust equalisation?
> > > I would like to point out -
> > > Linsely Hood article on his cassette deck design in
> > > Wireless World ( 1975-76!) explains
> > > this nicely and his case for obtaining coorect bias
> and
> > > equalisation to reduce noise /
> > > distortion more than wide frequency response gives
> > > subjective quality record & replay
> > > performance. And that case  is bettered with Nak's
> > > engineering - head as well as dual
> > > capstan -to have wide frequency response along with
> low
> > > distortion and noise.
> > >
> > > Wouter Heijke wrote:
> > >
> > > > Carlos,
> > > >
> > > > I guess I share your passion for the 700ZXL (still
> have
> > > to find one) and the 1000ZXL,
> > > > which is my favorite and ultimate Nak (the LTD is
> still
> > > too expensive and hard to
> > > > find!).
> > > >
> > > > To my opinion the Dragon is the best Nak for
> playback
> > > and the 1000ZXL for recording. I
> > > > own both units and think the 1000ZXL is just
> superior
> > > for recording, I guess it beats
> > > > the CR7 by far although I don't own one (this and
> the
> > > 700ZXL are the only decks left on
> > > > my most wanted Naks list..).
> > > > What I noticed is that you get spoiled by the
> 1000ZXL's
> > > RAMM automatic tape calibration
> > > > system, no other Nak does this as good as the
> 1000ZXL
> > > if serviced well! The 700ZXL
> > > > comes close, but it's RAMM is just a bit less
> advanced.
> > > This is also the disadvantage
> > > > of the 700ZXE/680ZX/682ZX/670ZX (and some more),
> their
> > > is calibration is automatic
> > > > (700ZXE) or semi-manual but less sophisticated. The
> > > Dragon/ZX7/ZX9 have the total
> > > > manual calibration, you notice the difference in
> > > details of the recorded sound and if a
> > > > deck adapts to a tape that it wasn't calibrated for
> > > internally by a Nak service
> > > > technician, I guess the EQ part of the
> 1000ZXL/700ZXl's
> > > RAMM has to do with this.....
> > > > This is also why I stick to the 'high-end' Naks for
> > > recording, others are very cool as
> > > > well (the 480 and LX3 for example) but not for
> > > recording...
> > > >
> > > > Do you (or any one else) share my experience?
> > > >
> > > > I don't have any other brand decks but think that
> your
> > > enhousiasm for the Revox B215
> > > > has convinced me to buy one when I find one for a
> > > reasonable price!
> > > >
> > > > And for looks, the 1000ZXL and 680ZX are my Nak
> winners
> > > for looks! (those COOL blue FL
> > > > meters, in the dark.... whow!)
> > > >
> > > > Wouter
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua  Tue Jan 25 17:56:29 2000
From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 18:56:29 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
References: <20000125161958.17459.qmail@web112.yahoomail.com>
Message-ID: <009201bf6755$2351aea0$6f6f6f6f@1>

Hi Ron,

Both ZXL - 700 and 1000 has ABLE system,
wich is: Asimut Bias Level Equalisation (as far
as I know), all four are computer adjustable
using 15!!! frequences. There is no other decks
in a whole world like this! So both ZXL automatically
adjust recording equalisation for each particular tape.


> The CR-7a that you mentioned, automatically
> adjusts azimuth, level and bias, but *not*
> equalization. I am not sure about the ZXL designs.

As for the optimum components - it's right for 
the time when each deck was designed. At present time
we have many new components with better quality,
plus - some new aproach in audio as well - better caps,
better resistors, better wires. Of course it may cost
certain amount of money - but again we all Naklovers
and this is not the less expencive hobby in a world :)


> Of course, the design engineer of a specific deck
> model has already used the optimum components and
> design, commensurate with his price goal. Assuming
> he knew what he was doing (a given, for Nak decks)
> it's highy unlikely we can COST EFFECTIVELY improve
> on the design. Yes, we can throw at it inordinate
> amounts of money and effort, but I am not sure that,
> beyond a certain point, the results will justify
> the cost and time.

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From k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de  Tue Jan 25 18:08:53 2000
From: k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de (Karl-Heinz Herrmann)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 18:08:53 +0100 (MET)
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon on E-bay
In-Reply-To: <388A59BF.EB22A913@ozemail.com.au>
Message-ID: <XFMail.000125180853.k.-h.herrmann@fz-juelich.de>

This reminds me: I'm really thinking about getting me another NAK so I
can copy tapes, but here in Europe they are very rare.
In the US there are quite a lot of NAK's available, but they have the
wrong Powersupply. 

Would it be possible to put a switchable(!) Powersupply into a NAK deck
(Dragon or one of the 700 series seem to be the most interesting ones).
Or is it changed to Euopean Powersupply once it's changed? 
I ask because I'm still thinking about going for a postdoctoral position
to the US in about 1 1/2 years.

K.-H.



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From smithb at mail.pjsnet.com  Tue Jan 25 19:06:38 2000
From: smithb at mail.pjsnet.com (Brice T. Smith)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 19:06:38 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon on E-bay
References: <XFMail.000125180853.k.-h.herrmann@fz-juelich.de>
Message-ID: <000801bf676c$59e56d00$a407b2c3@default>

Hi There,
I have a US Dragon that works great off a 220-110v transformer, I use one
rated at 150 watts, have had no problems.  Transformer doesn't even get
warm.  These are available used for 20 dollars, If you can't find one, let
me know, I'm in Heidleberg, changing email providers, so use my Hotmail:
smithbt at hotmail.com

Regards to all,

Brice

----- Original Message -----
From: Karl-Heinz Herrmann <k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 6:08 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon on E-bay


> This reminds me: I'm really thinking about getting me another NAK so I
> can copy tapes, but here in Europe they are very rare.
> In the US there are quite a lot of NAK's available, but they have the
> wrong Powersupply.
>
> Would it be possible to put a switchable(!) Powersupply into a NAK deck
> (Dragon or one of the 700 series seem to be the most interesting ones).
> Or is it changed to Euopean Powersupply once it's changed?
> I ask because I'm still thinking about going for a postdoctoral position
> to the US in about 1 1/2 years.
>
> K.-H.
>
>
>
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From ronami at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 25 21:13:53 2000
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 12:13:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon on E-bay
Message-ID: <20000125201353.1179.qmail@web110.yahoomail.com>



--- Karl-Heinz Herrmann <k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de>
wrote:
> [....]
> 
> Would it be possible to put a switchable(!) Powersupply
> into a NAK deck (Dragon or one of the 700 series seem
> to be the most interesting ones).

The 700 I used to own many years ago (like, in the mid
70s) came with a dual voltage supply. Later on, American
import regulations required a single line voltage supply.

Don't have documentation for the Dragon, but the CR-7
can be had with any of 5 supplies. I believe the only
difference in the dual voltage one is the dual primary
power transformer, fuse ratings and the inclusion of a
voltage selector switch. I wonder if that transformer
is still available as a replacement part. This will
allow you to modify any CR-7 to 220V operation.

I suspect the same comments apply to other Nak decks.

-- Ron

> Or is it changed to Euopean Powersupply once it's
> changed? 
> I ask because I'm still thinking about going for a
> postdoctoral position
> to the US in about 1 1/2 years.
> 
> K.-H.
> 
> 
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Tue Jan 25 21:28:50 2000
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 21:28:50 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] new manuals on the ftp server
Message-ID: <388E0781.E595C7F8@xs4all.nl>

I've placed 4 new PDF files on the ftp server, scanned by Norman van
Wijnen.

In the Dutch directory there is a paper on the gear update, how to do
it. It's in Duch only...

    gear_update.pdf

In the international directory you'll find the BX100 and BX125 owners
manuals:

    Nak_bx100_manual.pdf
    Nak_bx125_manual.pdf

and the english directory has the CR1/2 combined owners manual:

    Nak_cr1_cr2_manual.pdf

Thanks Norman!

Wouter


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From copytec at coqui.net  Tue Jan 25 23:37:30 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 17:37:30 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
References: <000201bf66be$634eef00$f96e7218@slnt1.on.wave.home.com>
Message-ID: <000701bf6784$c4534a00$17302ac4@coqui.net>

Enjoy it !

Carlos

----- Original Message -----
From: Alexandre Vovan <alex at vovan.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2000 5:57 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis


> Carlos,
>
> Thank you soooo much for your response. I was beginning to think that the
> MR-1 was unknown from the rest of the world, and that it was just not
worth
> even looking at. Looking at the price differences, I'm sure it's not even
> close the other models that are discussed here, but I just hope it's
better
> than other brands that are 3-head as well, or even newer cheaper models.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Alexandre Vovan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> Carlos
> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2000 6:14 PM
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
>
>
> The MR-1 is the professional version of Nakamichi along with the MR-2. The
> main differences are that the MR-1 is 3 head, has balanced connectors and
> the tape counter is digital. It also sounds better than the MR-2. Both are
> 19" rack mountable.
>
> Good luck !
>
> Carlos
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Alexandre Vovan <alex at vovan.com>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2000 8:52 AM
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
>
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > This may be out of the blue, as I don't have any experience with the Nak
> > decks, but how would you rate the MR-1? (I'm getting a used one)
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Alex
> >
> > P.S. Oh, and if anyone know where I can get the manual, it would be
> greatly
> > appreciated! :)
> >
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From nicy at jet.es  Tue Jan 25 23:46:56 2000
From: nicy at jet.es (javier g)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 23:46:56 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] new manuals on the ftp server
References: <388E0781.E595C7F8@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <001901bf6786$1b8d8000$0ab4e0c2@e9b1l7>

Hi, wouter

What is the web site address of the ftp server?
thanks,

Javier (Spain)


----- Original Message -----
From: Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 9:28 PM
Subject: [naktalk] new manuals on the ftp server


> I've placed 4 new PDF files on the ftp server, scanned by Norman van
> Wijnen.
>
> In the Dutch directory there is a paper on the gear update, how to do
> it. It's in Duch only...
>
>     gear_update.pdf
>
> In the international directory you'll find the BX100 and BX125 owners
> manuals:
>
>     Nak_bx100_manual.pdf
>     Nak_bx125_manual.pdf
>
> and the english directory has the CR1/2 combined owners manual:
>
>     Nak_cr1_cr2_manual.pdf
>
> Thanks Norman!
>
> Wouter
>
>
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Wed Jan 26 00:41:57 2000
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 00:41:57 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] new manuals on the ftp server
References: <388E0781.E595C7F8@xs4all.nl> <001901bf6786$1b8d8000$0ab4e0c2@e9b1l7>
Message-ID: <388E34C5.6A77D9DB@xs4all.nl>

Here it is:

ftp://ftp.naks.com

Wouter

javier g wrote:

> Hi, wouter
>
> What is the web site address of the ftp server?
> thanks,
>
> Javier (Spain)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 9:28 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] new manuals on the ftp server
>
> > I've placed 4 new PDF files on the ftp server, scanned by Norman van
> > Wijnen.
> >
> > In the Dutch directory there is a paper on the gear update, how to do
> > it. It's in Duch only...
> >
> >     gear_update.pdf
> >
> > In the international directory you'll find the BX100 and BX125 owners
> > manuals:
> >
> >     Nak_bx100_manual.pdf
> >     Nak_bx125_manual.pdf
> >
> > and the english directory has the CR1/2 combined owners manual:
> >
> >     Nak_cr1_cr2_manual.pdf
> >
> > Thanks Norman!
> >
> > Wouter
> >

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From minervo at execpc.com  Wed Jan 26 01:06:19 2000
From: minervo at execpc.com (Kirby Krause)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 18:06:19 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] new manuals on the ftp server
References: <388E0781.E595C7F8@xs4all.nl> <001901bf6786$1b8d8000$0ab4e0c2@e9b1l7> <388E34C5.6A77D9DB@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <388E3A79.D20BDB06@execpc.com>

We appreciate all of your work on the Nak sites, thanks.
Kirby

Wouter Heijke wrote:

> Here it is:
>
> ftp://ftp.naks.com
>
> Wouter
>
> javier g wrote:
>
> > Hi, wouter
> >
> > What is the web site address of the ftp server?
> > thanks,
> >
> > Javier (Spain)
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
> > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 9:28 PM
> > Subject: [naktalk] new manuals on the ftp server
> >
> > > I've placed 4 new PDF files on the ftp server, scanned by Norman van
> > > Wijnen.
> > >
> > > In the Dutch directory there is a paper on the gear update, how to do
> > > it. It's in Duch only...
> > >
> > >     gear_update.pdf
> > >
> > > In the international directory you'll find the BX100 and BX125 owners
> > > manuals:
> > >
> > >     Nak_bx100_manual.pdf
> > >     Nak_bx125_manual.pdf
> > >
> > > and the english directory has the CR1/2 combined owners manual:
> > >
> > >     Nak_cr1_cr2_manual.pdf
> > >
> > > Thanks Norman!
> > >
> > > Wouter
> > >
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From rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil  Wed Jan 26 09:00:51 2000
From: rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil (Tellez, Raul)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 09:00:51 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon on E-bay
Message-ID: <3552BC4041EAD111826100A02475F2F00134DD9E@nh-rota-exch1.med.navy.mil>

I was able to obtain OEM dual voltage transformers from a audio
shop in Wuerzburg, Germany.  I have gotten several original
Nakamichi power supplies over the last 10 years for different
components, but it is not cheap.  ST-7 Tuner (DM 220), Dragon (DM280),
CA-7 (DM 400), etc.
Dual voltage models were sold to PX/BX military shoppers or in 
countries where no dual voltage restrictions existed.  
The most cost effective way is using Brice's suggestion.

Brice Smith....I've seen that name on CHCS in Europe before....
 
Cheers,
Raul


-----Original Message-----
From: Brice T. Smith [mailto:smithb at mail.pjsnet.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 7:07 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon on E-bay


Hi There,
I have a US Dragon that works great off a 220-110v transformer, I use one
rated at 150 watts, have had no problems.  Transformer doesn't even get
warm.  These are available used for 20 dollars, If you can't find one, let
me know, I'm in Heidleberg, changing email providers, so use my Hotmail:
smithbt at hotmail.com

Regards to all,

Brice

----- Original Message -----
From: Karl-Heinz Herrmann <k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 6:08 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon on E-bay


> This reminds me: I'm really thinking about getting me another NAK so I
> can copy tapes, but here in Europe they are very rare.
> In the US there are quite a lot of NAK's available, but they have the
> wrong Powersupply.
>
> Would it be possible to put a switchable(!) Powersupply into a NAK deck
> (Dragon or one of the 700 series seem to be the most interesting ones).
> Or is it changed to Euopean Powersupply once it's changed?
> I ask because I'm still thinking about going for a postdoctoral position
> to the US in about 1 1/2 years.
>
> K.-H.
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
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> Date: 25-Jan-00      Time: 18:05:30
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Wed Jan 26 10:31:26 2000
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 10:31:26 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] new manuals on the ftp server
References: <388E0781.E595C7F8@xs4all.nl> <001901bf6786$1b8d8000$0ab4e0c2@e9b1l7> <388E34C5.6A77D9DB@xs4all.nl> <388E3A79.D20BDB06@execpc.com>
Message-ID: <388EBEEE.C22AC867@xs4all.nl>

Thanks but he real work on this one was done by Norman.... I only provide the
diskspace....

Wouter

Kirby Krause wrote:

> We appreciate all of your work on the Nak sites, thanks.
> Kirby
>
> Wouter Heijke wrote:
>
> > Here it is:
> >
> > ftp://ftp.naks.com
> >
> > Wouter
> >
> > javier g wrote:
> >
> > > Hi, wouter
> > >
> > > What is the web site address of the ftp server?
> > > thanks,
> > >
> > > Javier (Spain)
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
> > > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 9:28 PM
> > > Subject: [naktalk] new manuals on the ftp server
> > >
> > > > I've placed 4 new PDF files on the ftp server, scanned by Norman van
> > > > Wijnen.
> > > >
> > > > In the Dutch directory there is a paper on the gear update, how to do
> > > > it. It's in Duch only...
> > > >
> > > >     gear_update.pdf
> > > >
> > > > In the international directory you'll find the BX100 and BX125 owners
> > > > manuals:
> > > >
> > > >     Nak_bx100_manual.pdf
> > > >     Nak_bx125_manual.pdf
> > > >
> > > > and the english directory has the CR1/2 combined owners manual:
> > > >
> > > >     Nak_cr1_cr2_manual.pdf
> > > >
> > > > Thanks Norman!
> > > >
> > > > Wouter
> > > >
> >

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From copytec at coqui.net  Wed Jan 26 12:16:46 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 06:16:46 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Revox B-215 For Sale
Message-ID: <005901bf67ee$d63a8520$7d2f2ac4@coqui.net>

Well my friends, since I have 2 B-215 Revoxes here, I'll like to share one
for the ridiculous price of $500.00 as is. The machine is in good to
excellent condition. The last listed price for her in 1994 was $3,200.00
Revox service and parts are always available, just in case she'll need it in
the future. Also, Stephen Sank is already handy with the Revoxes too.

Heads are ok for at least 15 years more and it has new rollers and just
recently a capstan shaft was "micro sealed" at Revox. I use to have the
carton but it was so in bad shape that it's no longer available. I think I
still have the manual, or at least a copy.

At this price if you're interested, be fast, very fast ... First come, first
served.

Best,

The Tape Man

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From k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de  Wed Jan 26 11:43:53 2000
From: k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de (Karl-Heinz Herrmann)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 11:43:53 +0100 (MET)
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon on E-bay
In-Reply-To: <3552BC4041EAD111826100A02475F2F00134DD9E@nh-rota-exch1.med.navy.mil>
Message-ID: <XFMail.000126114353.k.-h.herrmann@fz-juelich.de>

Hi,

so the difference in 60Hz -> 50Hz doesn't matter? I feared the lower
frequency could lead to higher 50/100Hz hum in the system...

On the other hand Nak probalby designed the rectifier/capacitors quite
good anyway. 
Anyone else who just uses a transformer 220->110V (with the 60Hz->50Hz
change at the same time)? No problems or hum? 

K.-H.

On 26-Jan-00 Tellez, Raul wrote:
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brice T. Smith [mailto:smithb at mail.pjsnet.com]

> I have a US Dragon that works great off a 220-110v transformer, I use
> one rated at 150 watts, have had no problems.  Transformer doesn't
> even get warm.  These are available used for 20 dollars, If you can't
> find one, let me know, I'm in Heidleberg, changing email providers, so
> use my Hotmail:
> smithbt at hotmail.com


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From merhan at hilite-ind.com  Wed Jan 26 14:38:56 2000
From: merhan at hilite-ind.com (MERHAN)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 07:38:56 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon on E-bay
Message-ID: <C028CC273CC7D211BD5D0008C75CE21407C6F2@mail.hilite-ind.com>

Hi there,

I have a euro ZX-9 that I'm using now here in the USA.  I have a 110V ->
220V Transformer without HZ change.  Have been using it for (WOW) 15 years
that way.  No problems.

M.E. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Karl-Heinz Herrmann [mailto:k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de]
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 4:44 AM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon on E-bay


Hi,

so the difference in 60Hz -> 50Hz doesn't matter? I feared the lower
frequency could lead to higher 50/100Hz hum in the system...

On the other hand Nak probalby designed the rectifier/capacitors quite
good anyway. 
Anyone else who just uses a transformer 220->110V (with the 60Hz->50Hz
change at the same time)? No problems or hum? 

K.-H.

On 26-Jan-00 Tellez, Raul wrote:
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brice T. Smith [mailto:smithb at mail.pjsnet.com]

> I have a US Dragon that works great off a 220-110v transformer, I use
> one rated at 150 watts, have had no problems.  Transformer doesn't
> even get warm.  These are available used for 20 dollars, If you can't
> find one, let me know, I'm in Heidleberg, changing email providers, so
> use my Hotmail:
> smithbt at hotmail.com


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From aaron_taylor at reyrey.com  Wed Jan 26 15:03:56 2000
From: aaron_taylor at reyrey.com (Aaron Taylor)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 09:03:56 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] new manuals on the ftp server
Message-ID: <01BF67DC.47617AA0.aaron_taylor@reyrey.com>

Thanks for all these manuals and the access to them we in all the World thank you .


Aaron

-----Original Message-----
From:	Wouter Heijke [SMTP:wheijke at xs4all.nl]
Sent:	Wednesday, January 26, 2000 4:31 AM
To:	naktalk at naks.com
Subject:	Re: [naktalk] new manuals on the ftp server

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From ronami at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 26 17:18:07 2000
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 08:18:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon on E-bay
Message-ID: <20000126161807.917.qmail@web111.yahoomail.com>


--- MERHAN <merhan at hilite-ind.com> wrote:
> Hi there,
> 
> I have a euro ZX-9 that I'm using now here in the
> USA.  I have a 110V -> 220V Transformer without HZ
> change.  Have been using it for (WOW) 15 years
> that way.  No problems.

You shouldn't. If any, problems will occur the
other way around, when transformers designed for
60Hz operation are run at 50Hz. They tend to
overheat.

The 20% difference in frequency is not severe,
but it does tend to shorten transformer life.
However, it stands to reason Nakamichi designed
all their power transforments (even those intended
for the US) to withstand 50Hz operation.

-- Ron



> M.E. 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Karl-Heinz Herrmann
> [mailto:k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 4:44 AM
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon on E-bay
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> so the difference in 60Hz -> 50Hz doesn't matter? I
> feared the lower
> frequency could lead to higher 50/100Hz hum in the
> system...
> 
> On the other hand Nak probalby designed the
> rectifier/capacitors quite
> good anyway. 
> Anyone else who just uses a transformer 220->110V (with
> the 60Hz->50Hz
> change at the same time)? No problems or hum? 
> 
> K.-H.
> 
> On 26-Jan-00 Tellez, Raul wrote:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Brice T. Smith [mailto:smithb at mail.pjsnet.com]
> 
> > I have a US Dragon that works great off a 220-110v
> transformer, I use
> > one rated at 150 watts, have had no problems. 
> Transformer doesn't
> > even get warm.  These are available used for 20
> dollars, If you can't
> > find one, let me know, I'm in Heidleberg, changing
> email providers, so
> > use my Hotmail:
> > smithbt at hotmail.com
> 
> 
>
----------------------------------------------------------
> E-Mail: Karl-Heinz Herrmann <k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de>
> Date: 26-Jan-00      Time: 11:39:46
>
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Wed Jan 26 22:48:35 2000
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 22:48:35 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] new manuals on the ftp server
References: <01BF67DC.47617AA0.aaron_taylor@reyrey.com>
Message-ID: <388F6BB3.5BE88378@xs4all.nl>

I hear Norman is doing some more scanning.... Prepare yourself for more!

Wouter

Aaron Taylor wrote:

> Thanks for all these manuals and the access to them we in all the World thank you .
>
> Aaron
>
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> Sent:   Wednesday, January 26, 2000 4:31 AM
> To:     naktalk at naks.com
> Subject:        Re: [naktalk] new manuals on the ftp server
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Wed Jan 26 22:53:09 2000
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 22:53:09 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon on E-bay
References: <XFMail.000125180853.k.-h.herrmann@fz-juelich.de> <000801bf676c$59e56d00$a407b2c3@default>
Message-ID: <388F6CC5.D51E243B@xs4all.nl>

Hi,

I also use a cheap transformer for my 1000ZXL.
The main Dutch Nak technician tested the transformer with the 1000ZXL and found no
capacity problems. Having an original power supply is what I wanted but these are not
available anymore for the 1000ZXL....

Wouter

"Brice T. Smith" wrote:

> Hi There,
> I have a US Dragon that works great off a 220-110v transformer, I use one
> rated at 150 watts, have had no problems.  Transformer doesn't even get
> warm.  These are available used for 20 dollars, If you can't find one, let
> me know, I'm in Heidleberg, changing email providers, so use my Hotmail:
> smithbt at hotmail.com
>
> Regards to all,
>
> Brice
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Karl-Heinz Herrmann <k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 6:08 PM
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon on E-bay
>
> > This reminds me: I'm really thinking about getting me another NAK so I
> > can copy tapes, but here in Europe they are very rare.
> > In the US there are quite a lot of NAK's available, but they have the
> > wrong Powersupply.
> >
> > Would it be possible to put a switchable(!) Powersupply into a NAK deck
> > (Dragon or one of the 700 series seem to be the most interesting ones).
> > Or is it changed to Euopean Powersupply once it's changed?
> > I ask because I'm still thinking about going for a postdoctoral position
> > to the US in about 1 1/2 years.
> >
> > K.-H.
> >
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > E-Mail: Karl-Heinz Herrmann <k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de>
> > Date: 25-Jan-00      Time: 18:05:30
> > ----------------------------------------------------------

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From copytec at coqui.net  Thu Jan 27 00:27:54 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 18:27:54 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon on E-bay
References: <XFMail.000125180853.k.-h.herrmann@fz-juelich.de> <000801bf676c$59e56d00$a407b2c3@default> <388F6CC5.D51E243B@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <003901bf6854$f934ec80$0e2f2ac4@coqui.net>

I think I was lucky in finding a "New Old Stock" direct from japan new 1000
ZXL with switcheable voltages. just a flip of a button and I'm in 220 or 120
volts. I think this one was an european version and the former owner (R.I.P)
bought it direct from Japan. She never played a C-90 cassette in full when I
got her and the manual was still sealed !

best,

Carlos

----- Original Message -----
From: Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 4:53 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon on E-bay


> Hi,
>
> I also use a cheap transformer for my 1000ZXL.
> The main Dutch Nak technician tested the transformer with the 1000ZXL and
found no
> capacity problems. Having an original power supply is what I wanted but
these are not
> available anymore for the 1000ZXL....
>
> Wouter
>
> "Brice T. Smith" wrote:
>
> > Hi There,
> > I have a US Dragon that works great off a 220-110v transformer, I use
one
> > rated at 150 watts, have had no problems.  Transformer doesn't even get
> > warm.  These are available used for 20 dollars, If you can't find one,
let
> > me know, I'm in Heidleberg, changing email providers, so use my Hotmail:
> > smithbt at hotmail.com
> >
> > Regards to all,
> >
> > Brice
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Karl-Heinz Herrmann <k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de>
> > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 6:08 PM
> > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon on E-bay
> >
> > > This reminds me: I'm really thinking about getting me another NAK so I
> > > can copy tapes, but here in Europe they are very rare.
> > > In the US there are quite a lot of NAK's available, but they have the
> > > wrong Powersupply.
> > >
> > > Would it be possible to put a switchable(!) Powersupply into a NAK
deck
> > > (Dragon or one of the 700 series seem to be the most interesting
ones).
> > > Or is it changed to Euopean Powersupply once it's changed?
> > > I ask because I'm still thinking about going for a postdoctoral positi
on
> > > to the US in about 1 1/2 years.
> > >
> > > K.-H.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > > E-Mail: Karl-Heinz Herrmann <k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de>
> > > Date: 25-Jan-00      Time: 18:05:30
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------
>
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From nicy at jet.es  Thu Jan 27 01:20:46 2000
From: nicy at jet.es (javier g)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 01:20:46 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] new manuals on the ftp server
References: <388E0781.E595C7F8@xs4all.nl> <001901bf6786$1b8d8000$0ab4e0c2@e9b1l7> <388E34C5.6A77D9DB@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <002d01bf685c$5c426bc0$7ba237c3@e9b1l7>

Hi,

Thanks you very much Wouter an Norman for your work.

Javier (Spain)
----- Original Message -----
From: Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 12:41 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] new manuals on the ftp server


> Here it is:
>
> ftp://ftp.naks.com
>
> Wouter
>
> javier g wrote:
>
> > Hi, wouter
> >
> > What is the web site address of the ftp server?
> > thanks,
> >
> > Javier (Spain)
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
> > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 9:28 PM
> > Subject: [naktalk] new manuals on the ftp server
> >
> > > I've placed 4 new PDF files on the ftp server, scanned by Norman van
> > > Wijnen.
> > >
> > > In the Dutch directory there is a paper on the gear update, how to do
> > > it. It's in Duch only...
> > >
> > >     gear_update.pdf
> > >
> > > In the international directory you'll find the BX100 and BX125 owners
> > > manuals:
> > >
> > >     Nak_bx100_manual.pdf
> > >     Nak_bx125_manual.pdf
> > >
> > > and the english directory has the CR1/2 combined owners manual:
> > >
> > >     Nak_cr1_cr2_manual.pdf
> > >
> > > Thanks Norman!
> > >
> > > Wouter
> > >
>
> -
>
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Thu Jan 27 10:40:20 2000
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 10:40:20 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] (New) manuals on ftp:
References: <388E0781.E595C7F8@xs4all.nl> <001901bf6786$1b8d8000$0ab4e0c2@e9b1l7> <388E34C5.6A77D9DB@xs4all.nl> <002d01bf685c$5c426bc0$7ba237c3@e9b1l7>
Message-ID: <38901284.24F9AD59@xs4all.nl>

Thanks (again) Norman for the latest manuals!

Wouter

dutch:
 Cassettedeck1_Manual_Dutch.pdf  (NEW)
 N480.pdf
 gear_update.pdf
 nr200-2.pdf

english:
 680ZX_Owner.PDF
 680ZX_Owner.pdf
 680ZX_Service1-19.pdf
 680ZX_Service20-29.pdf
 680ZX_Service30-33.pdf
 680ZX_Service34-39.pdf
 680ZX_Service40-End.pdf
 N582_Suplement.pdf (NEW)
 N_BX_300.pdf
 Nak_cr1_cr2_manual.pdf
 nak_lx-5.pdf
 nkcr7a5a.pdf
 nkdragon.pdf

international:
 HighComII.pdf
 NakN480_manual.pdf (NEW)
 Nak_bx100_manual.pdf
 Nak_bx125_manual.pdf

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From w.smetanig at chello.at  Thu Jan 27 12:16:27 2000
From: w.smetanig at chello.at (Dr. Wolfgang Smetanig)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 12:16:27 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Revox B-215 For Sale
Message-ID: <011401bf68b8$11a28d00$4601010a@P200.telekabel.at>

HI Carlos!

In terested in sending it to a very mild climate, near a lovely lake in
Carinthia/Austria/Europe next to two Dragons, a LX-5, LX-3, RX-505, ZX-7?
:-)))))

Please let me know if it is still available!

MfG

Wolfgang

PS:Still interested in Service manuals? Got a lot of Xerox copies for $6
each, still some available (maybe I´ll scan them - if I could only get more
time)

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From copytec at coqui.net  Thu Jan 27 14:24:21 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 08:24:21 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Revox B-215 For Sale
References: <011401bf68b8$11a28d00$4601010a@P200.telekabel.at>
Message-ID: <000701bf68c9$d2dd58e0$762f2ac4@coqui.net>

Hello Dr.

Long time I haven't heard from you ! Well, I'll let you know if the first
customer declines. I'll keep you posted !

Best,

Carlos

----- Original Message -----
From: Dr. Wolfgang Smetanig <w.smetanig at chello.at>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2000 6:16 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Revox B-215 For Sale


> HI Carlos!
>
> In terested in sending it to a very mild climate, near a lovely lake in
> Carinthia/Austria/Europe next to two Dragons, a LX-5, LX-3, RX-505, ZX-7?
> :-)))))
>
> Please let me know if it is still available!
>
> MfG
>
> Wolfgang
>
> PS:Still interested in Service manuals? Got a lot of Xerox copies for $6
> each, still some available (maybe I´ll scan them - if I could only get
more
> time)
>
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From Jrdcesq at aol.com  Thu Jan 27 15:47:03 2000
From: Jrdcesq at aol.com (Jrdcesq at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 09:47:03 EST
Subject: [naktalk] (New) manuals on ftp:
Message-ID: <ae.91da17.25c1b467@aol.com>

I am interested in a Dragon manual.  How much are they?  Please contact me at 
jrdcesq at aol.com.

Thank you

John
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From aaron_taylor at reyrey.com  Thu Jan 27 16:13:35 2000
From: aaron_taylor at reyrey.com (Aaron Taylor)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 10:13:35 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] (New) manuals on ftp:
Message-ID: <01BF68AF.2CA46500.aaron_taylor@reyrey.com>

John,

      You can get it Free !!!  Why pay for information!!!!!

Aaron

-----Original Message-----
From:	Jrdcesq at aol.com [SMTP:Jrdcesq at aol.com]
Sent:	Thursday, January 27, 2000 9:47 AM
To:	naktalk at naks.com
Subject:	Re: [naktalk] (New) manuals on ftp:

I am interested in a Dragon manual.  How much are they?  Please contact me at 
jrdcesq at aol.com.

Thank you

John
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Thu Jan 27 18:53:29 2000
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 18:53:29 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] (New) manuals on ftp:
References: <01BF68AF.2CA46500.aaron_taylor@reyrey.com>
Message-ID: <38908619.748F882F@xs4all.nl>

Exactly!
That's why they are there to SHARE with each other, so DONATE!

One thing: Don't sell (printed) copies of these manuals then you piss me off!

Wouter

Aaron Taylor wrote:

> John,
>
>       You can get it Free !!!  Why pay for information!!!!!
>
> Aaron
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:   Jrdcesq at aol.com [SMTP:Jrdcesq at aol.com]
> Sent:   Thursday, January 27, 2000 9:47 AM
> To:     naktalk at naks.com
> Subject:        Re: [naktalk] (New) manuals on ftp:
>
> I am interested in a Dragon manual.  How much are they?  Please contact me at
> jrdcesq at aol.com.
>
> Thank you
>
> John
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From aaron_taylor at reyrey.com  Thu Jan 27 20:53:03 2000
From: aaron_taylor at reyrey.com (Aaron Taylor)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 14:53:03 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] (New) manuals on ftp:
Message-ID: <01BF68D6.374DD140.aaron_taylor@reyrey.com>

Hi Wouter,
     You have provided a great and invaluable service to all of us here on NAKTALK. Please understand
that when I replied to John I only wanted him to know that there manuals out there that are free. Under
no assumption that I wanted or to give the preception that people take for granted that them are people like
yourself that gives themself to serve others and that we in the world should take advantage of getting 
something for nothing. Yes, we all in this world need to SHARE and DONATE ourselves to help make this world
a better place for all. I will be doing my part. I have a 8 page pamphlet on the Dragon that I got FREE from an
area Audio Store. I saw this same item on Ebay that sold for 40.00 . I cannot believe that someone is trying to 
take and capitalize on something that they had gotten FREE. I will scan this document so Wouter can add to his FTP site in
..pdf format.  Wouter can you give us information on how to do this. It will prove valuable and will help build the library.

Thanks
Aaron

-----Original Message-----
From:	Wouter Heijke [SMTP:wheijke at xs4all.nl]
Sent:	Thursday, January 27, 2000 12:53 PM
To:	naktalk at naks.com
Subject:	Re: [naktalk] (New) manuals on ftp:

Exactly!
That's why they are there to SHARE with each other, so DONATE!

One thing: Don't sell (printed) copies of these manuals then you piss me off!

Wouter

Aaron Taylor wrote:

> John,
>
>       You can get it Free !!!  Why pay for information!!!!!
>
> Aaron
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:   Jrdcesq at aol.com [SMTP:Jrdcesq at aol.com]
> Sent:   Thursday, January 27, 2000 9:47 AM
> To:     naktalk at naks.com
> Subject:        Re: [naktalk] (New) manuals on ftp:
>
> I am interested in a Dragon manual.  How much are they?  Please contact me at
> jrdcesq at aol.com.
>
> Thank you
>
> John
>

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From ronami at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 27 19:52:13 2000
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 10:52:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Question for CR-7 owners
Message-ID: <20000127185213.10396.qmail@web124.yahoomail.com>


My CR-7 seems to have faulty memory. Meaning:
when turned on, it does not remember the last
counter value and tape length. Can't find
anything about this in the manual. Is this a
weakness of the design, same as the lack of
ON/OFF function on the remote control? Is the
CR-7 supposed to remember counter value and
tape length after being switched off?

BTW, since the deck does remember tape type/equ
and monitoring source, I must conclude that the
battery and microprocessor are good.

Thanks for any comment,

-- Ron

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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Thu Jan 27 23:34:01 2000
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 23:34:01 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] (New) manuals on ftp:
References: <01BF68D6.374DD140.aaron_taylor@reyrey.com>
Message-ID: <3890C7D9.116C2348@xs4all.nl>

Hi Aaron,

I know of 2 people who tried selling a printed copy on ebay, fortunally ebay stopped their auction!
Ebay is getting more and more crazy every day, people pay unbeleavable amounts of money for a piece of paper!

I don't know exactly how to turn your scanned material into PDF, others may be able to answer that question, but if you don't
have access to PDF software but do have a scanner you can also send TIFF images so someone else can turn those into PDF. I have
a BX1 service manual waiting to be processed from TIFF into PDF.

Wouter


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> Hi Wouter,
>      You have provided a great and invaluable service to all of us here on NAKTALK. Please understand
> that when I replied to John I only wanted him to know that there manuals out there that are free. Under
> no assumption that I wanted or to give the preception that people take for granted that them are people like
> yourself that gives themself to serve others and that we in the world should take advantage of getting
> something for nothing. Yes, we all in this world need to SHARE and DONATE ourselves to help make this world
> a better place for all. I will be doing my part. I have a 8 page pamphlet on the Dragon that I got FREE from an
> area Audio Store. I saw this same item on Ebay that sold for 40.00 . I cannot believe that someone is trying to
> take and capitalize on something that they had gotten FREE. I will scan this document so Wouter can add to his FTP site in
> ..pdf format.  Wouter can you give us information on how to do this. It will prove valuable and will help build the library.
>
> Thanks
> Aaron
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:   Wouter Heijke [SMTP:wheijke at xs4all.nl]
> Sent:   Thursday, January 27, 2000 12:53 PM
> To:     naktalk at naks.com
> Subject:        Re: [naktalk] (New) manuals on ftp:
>
> Exactly!
> That's why they are there to SHARE with each other, so DONATE!
>
> One thing: Don't sell (printed) copies of these manuals then you piss me off!
>
> Wouter
>
> Aaron Taylor wrote:
>
> > John,
> >
> >       You can get it Free !!!  Why pay for information!!!!!
> >
> > Aaron
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:   Jrdcesq at aol.com [SMTP:Jrdcesq at aol.com]
> > Sent:   Thursday, January 27, 2000 9:47 AM
> > To:     naktalk at naks.com
> > Subject:        Re: [naktalk] (New) manuals on ftp:
> >
> > I am interested in a Dragon manual.  How much are they?  Please contact me at
> > jrdcesq at aol.com.
> >
> > Thank you
> >
> > John
> >

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From n.van.wijnen at castel.nl  Fri Jan 28 00:07:19 2000
From: n.van.wijnen at castel.nl (Norman van Wijnen)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 00:07:19 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] (New) manuals on ftp:
References: <01BF68D6.374DD140.aaron_taylor@reyrey.com>
Message-ID: <001401bf691b$43a9d3e0$00ecfea9@asus>

Hello Aaron,

i've just scan the Nakamichi dragon folder and i send it to Wouter. I don't
know if these folder is the same as the a 8 page pamphlet you mentioned?

greetings

Norman

----- Original Message -----
From: Aaron Taylor <aaron_taylor at reyrey.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2000 8:53 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] (New) manuals on ftp:


> Hi Wouter,
>      You have provided a great and invaluable service to all of us here on
NAKTALK. Please understand
> that when I replied to John I only wanted him to know that there manuals
out there that are free. Under
> no assumption that I wanted or to give the preception that people take for
granted that them are people like
> yourself that gives themself to serve others and that we in the world
should take advantage of getting
> something for nothing. Yes, we all in this world need to SHARE and DONATE
ourselves to help make this world
> a better place for all. I will be doing my part. I have a 8 page pamphlet
on the Dragon that I got FREE from an
> area Audio Store. I saw this same item on Ebay that sold for 40.00 . I
cannot believe that someone is trying to
> take and capitalize on something that they had gotten FREE. I will scan
this document so Wouter can add to his FTP site in
> ..pdf format.  Wouter can you give us information on how to do this. It
will prove valuable and will help build the library.
>
> Thanks
> Aaron
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wouter Heijke [SMTP:wheijke at xs4all.nl]
> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2000 12:53 PM
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] (New) manuals on ftp:
>
> Exactly!
> That's why they are there to SHARE with each other, so DONATE!
>
> One thing: Don't sell (printed) copies of these manuals then you piss me
off!
>
> Wouter
>
> Aaron Taylor wrote:
>
> > John,
> >
> >       You can get it Free !!!  Why pay for information!!!!!
> >
> > Aaron
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:   Jrdcesq at aol.com [SMTP:Jrdcesq at aol.com]
> > Sent:   Thursday, January 27, 2000 9:47 AM
> > To:     naktalk at naks.com
> > Subject:        Re: [naktalk] (New) manuals on ftp:
> >
> > I am interested in a Dragon manual.  How much are they?  Please contact
me at
> > jrdcesq at aol.com.
> >
> > Thank you
> >
> > John
> >
>
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From minervo at execpc.com  Fri Jan 28 00:33:46 2000
From: minervo at execpc.com (Kirby Krause)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 17:33:46 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] (New) manuals on ftp:
References: <01BF68D6.374DD140.aaron_taylor@reyrey.com> <001401bf691b$43a9d3e0$00ecfea9@asus>
Message-ID: <3890D5D7.F59E4763@execpc.com>

Hi fellow fanatics.
I picked up a 580 from the original owner with about 50 hours on it, looks like new.
Got it in a package deal, I will sell it for $150 plus ship to a good home if anyone
wants it.  Thanks.
Kirby in Wi.
ZX-7 and Revox 215

Norman van Wijnen wrote:

> Hello Aaron,
>
> i've just scan the Nakamichi dragon folder and i send it to Wouter. I don't
> know if these folder is the same as the a 8 page pamphlet you mentioned?
>
> greetings
>
> Norman
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Aaron Taylor <aaron_taylor at reyrey.com>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2000 8:53 PM
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] (New) manuals on ftp:
>
> > Hi Wouter,
> >      You have provided a great and invaluable service to all of us here on
> NAKTALK. Please understand
> > that when I replied to John I only wanted him to know that there manuals
> out there that are free. Under
> > no assumption that I wanted or to give the preception that people take for
> granted that them are people like
> > yourself that gives themself to serve others and that we in the world
> should take advantage of getting
> > something for nothing. Yes, we all in this world need to SHARE and DONATE
> ourselves to help make this world
> > a better place for all. I will be doing my part. I have a 8 page pamphlet
> on the Dragon that I got FREE from an
> > area Audio Store. I saw this same item on Ebay that sold for 40.00 . I
> cannot believe that someone is trying to
> > take and capitalize on something that they had gotten FREE. I will scan
> this document so Wouter can add to his FTP site in
> > ..pdf format.  Wouter can you give us information on how to do this. It
> will prove valuable and will help build the library.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Aaron
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Wouter Heijke [SMTP:wheijke at xs4all.nl]
> > Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2000 12:53 PM
> > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (New) manuals on ftp:
> >
> > Exactly!
> > That's why they are there to SHARE with each other, so DONATE!
> >
> > One thing: Don't sell (printed) copies of these manuals then you piss me
> off!
> >
> > Wouter
> >
> > Aaron Taylor wrote:
> >
> > > John,
> > >
> > >       You can get it Free !!!  Why pay for information!!!!!
> > >
> > > Aaron
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From:   Jrdcesq at aol.com [SMTP:Jrdcesq at aol.com]
> > > Sent:   Thursday, January 27, 2000 9:47 AM
> > > To:     naktalk at naks.com
> > > Subject:        Re: [naktalk] (New) manuals on ftp:
> > >
> > > I am interested in a Dragon manual.  How much are they?  Please contact
> me at
> > > jrdcesq at aol.com.
> > >
> > > Thank you
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> >
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From Ninapax24 at aol.com  Fri Jan 28 01:02:53 2000
From: Ninapax24 at aol.com (Ninapax24 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 19:02:53 EST
Subject: [naktalk] Nak question?
Message-ID: <d2.af6515.25c236ad@aol.com>

 I have a question,which is a better deck of the two,
 the Nak RX-202 or the BX-300.thanks

 regards Ted 
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From RAKNAK57 at aol.com  Fri Jan 28 01:07:01 2000
From: RAKNAK57 at aol.com (RAKNAK57 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 19:07:01 EST
Subject: [naktalk] Question for CR-7 owners
Message-ID: <dc.f95d37.25c237a5@aol.com>

Cr7a  does not  remember the tape counter  or   tape  length!!


Hope this  help
One  Happy  CR7A  owner!
Raks
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From Ninapax24 at aol.com  Fri Jan 28 01:20:57 2000
From: Ninapax24 at aol.com (Ninapax24 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 19:20:57 EST
Subject: [naktalk] nak.ques.?
Message-ID: <c9.6ed986.25c23ae9@aol.com>

 Sorry this is the ques.which is a better deck of the two,
 the Nak RX-202 or the Nakamichi CR-3. as far as 
 money deal.thanks

 regards Ted 
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From Thomas.Siomopoulos at nec.com.au  Fri Jan 28 01:30:55 2000
From: Thomas.Siomopoulos at nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 11:30:55 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Nak question?
In-Reply-To: <d2.af6515.25c236ad@aol.com>
Message-ID: <200001280031.LAA13872@mail.neca.nec.com.au>

Hi Ted,

	The BX-300 is a three head unit which gives you on the spot monitoring
of your recordings. The RX-202 is a two head unit and does not offer
this functions, however the RX-202 offers auto-reverse in a spectacular
way, It actually turns the tape over. The sound quality should be
approximately the same.

	Regards Tom.

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
Ninapax24 at aol.com
Sent: Friday, 28 January 2000 11:03
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Subject: [naktalk] Nak question?


 I have a question,which is a better deck of the two,
 the Nak RX-202 or the BX-300.thanks

 regards Ted
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From Scalnajim at aol.com  Fri Jan 28 01:34:38 2000
From: Scalnajim at aol.com (Scalnajim at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 19:34:38 EST
Subject: [naktalk] Nak question?
Message-ID: <d2.aecd40.25c23e1e@aol.com>

the bx -300 is the better of the two, hands down!
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From Scalnajim at aol.com  Fri Jan 28 01:51:46 2000
From: Scalnajim at aol.com (Scalnajim at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 19:51:46 EST
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
Message-ID: <76.1530a4f.25c24222@aol.com>

I own both the 700 ZXL and the 1000ZXL LIMITED, and I have found the sound of 
both peices very good, but the 1000ZXL LIMITED is definitely better.  After I 
replaced my monster cable interconnects (interlink reference 2) with N. B. S. 
cables the differences between the two decks were more apparent.

    If people are looking to make modifications to their decks, first replace 
your cables, you may find this more effective and safer.

Scott Al-Najim
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From targowski at mediaone.net  Fri Jan 28 01:24:07 2000
From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 18:24:07 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] nak.ques.?
References: <c9.6ed986.25c23ae9@aol.com>
Message-ID: <004c01bf6925$fdc7cf20$70bf8318@ce.mediaone.net>

Which one is better, RX-202 or CR3? This depends on your objective ...

Assuming both are in the same technical condition and I have a choice which
one to take ...

If you want to impress your friends with 'cool' - go with RX-202.

If the best possible sound is what you are after - go with CR-3.

If you want to make an investment, RX-202 may be a smarter choice.

Stan
----- Original Message -----
From: <Ninapax24 at aol.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2000 6:20 PM
Subject: [naktalk] nak.ques.?


> Sorry this is the ques.which is a better deck of the two,
>  the Nak RX-202 or the Nakamichi CR-3. as far as
>  money deal.thanks
>
>  regards Ted
>
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From stemcor at techno-link.com  Fri Jan 28 08:18:35 2000
From: stemcor at techno-link.com (stemcor)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 09:18:35 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon part
References: <76.1530a4f.25c24222@aol.com>
Message-ID: <005401bf695f$e4945840$df0024d4@infosysbank.com>

A friend of mine just bought a Dragon and unfortunately found out that the
auto-azimuth is not working at all, due to the "azimuth wire" being
completely absent. This seems to be a complicated piece of wire/cable, which
cannot be replaced by anything else but an original from Nakamichi. The part
No. is OC08237A. Any suggestions as to how it can be obtained from Europe,
ideally Germany ? Otherwise the machine works perfectly, both recording and
playback, only the auto-azimuth is not moving at all.

George

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From copytec at coqui.net  Fri Jan 28 14:22:51 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 08:22:51 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] (New) manuals on ftp:
References: <01BF68D6.374DD140.aaron_taylor@reyrey.com> <3890C7D9.116C2348@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <004101bf6992$c7b91340$162f2ac4@coqui.net>

Speaking about manuals. They are for free in our Nakamichi community, but,
if you ask Nakamichi or any other manufacturer for an original manual it
wouldn't be for free, if they still have a copy, of course. Usually, Xerox
copies are for free.

Service Manuals is another story. You have to always buy it and are
expensive, that's it: if you find one !

Best,

Carlos

----- Original Message -----
From: Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2000 5:34 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] (New) manuals on ftp:


> Hi Aaron,
>
> I know of 2 people who tried selling a printed copy on ebay, fortunally
ebay stopped their auction!
> Ebay is getting more and more crazy every day, people pay unbeleavable
amounts of money for a piece of paper!
>
> I don't know exactly how to turn your scanned material into PDF, others
may be able to answer that question, but if you don't
> have access to PDF software but do have a scanner you can also send TIFF
images so someone else can turn those into PDF. I have
> a BX1 service manual waiting to be processed from TIFF into PDF.
>
> Wouter
>
>
> Aaron Taylor wrote:
>
> > Hi Wouter,
> >      You have provided a great and invaluable service to all of us here
on NAKTALK. Please understand
> > that when I replied to John I only wanted him to know that there manuals
out there that are free. Under
> > no assumption that I wanted or to give the preception that people take
for granted that them are people like
> > yourself that gives themself to serve others and that we in the world
should take advantage of getting
> > something for nothing. Yes, we all in this world need to SHARE and
DONATE ourselves to help make this world
> > a better place for all. I will be doing my part. I have a 8 page
pamphlet on the Dragon that I got FREE from an
> > area Audio Store. I saw this same item on Ebay that sold for 40.00 . I
cannot believe that someone is trying to
> > take and capitalize on something that they had gotten FREE. I will scan
this document so Wouter can add to his FTP site in
> > ..pdf format.  Wouter can you give us information on how to do this. It
will prove valuable and will help build the library.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Aaron
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:   Wouter Heijke [SMTP:wheijke at xs4all.nl]
> > Sent:   Thursday, January 27, 2000 12:53 PM
> > To:     naktalk at naks.com
> > Subject:        Re: [naktalk] (New) manuals on ftp:
> >
> > Exactly!
> > That's why they are there to SHARE with each other, so DONATE!
> >
> > One thing: Don't sell (printed) copies of these manuals then you piss me
off!
> >
> > Wouter
> >
> > Aaron Taylor wrote:
> >
> > > John,
> > >
> > >       You can get it Free !!!  Why pay for information!!!!!
> > >
> > > Aaron
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From:   Jrdcesq at aol.com [SMTP:Jrdcesq at aol.com]
> > > Sent:   Thursday, January 27, 2000 9:47 AM
> > > To:     naktalk at naks.com
> > > Subject:        Re: [naktalk] (New) manuals on ftp:
> > >
> > > I am interested in a Dragon manual.  How much are they?  Please
contact me at
> > > jrdcesq at aol.com.
> > >
> > > Thank you
> > >
> > > John
> > >
>
>
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From hofbroch at iconn.net  Fri Jan 28 15:13:31 2000
From: hofbroch at iconn.net (James P. Brochin)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 09:13:31 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V1 #154
References: <200001281224.NAA15596@zebra.naks.com>
Message-ID: <3891A40B.E90AE812@iconn.net>

Hi:

I apologize if I haven't been reading the Digest carefully enough, but are there any
manuals for the BX 300, the 550 or the 500 on line?

If so, how do I download them?

Thanks,

Jim

naktalk-digest wrote:

> naktalk-digest        Friday, January 28 2000        Volume 01 : Number 154
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 17:33:46 -0600
> From: Kirby Krause <minervo at execpc.com>
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] (New) manuals on ftp:
>
> Hi fellow fanatics.
> I picked up a 580 from the original owner with about 50 hours on it, looks like new.
> Got it in a package deal, I will sell it for $150 plus ship to a good home if anyone
> wants it.  Thanks.
> Kirby in Wi.
> ZX-7 and Revox 215
>
> Norman van Wijnen wrote:
>
> > Hello Aaron,
> >
> > i've just scan the Nakamichi dragon folder and i send it to Wouter. I don't
> > know if these folder is the same as the a 8 page pamphlet you mentioned?
> >
> > greetings
> >
> > Norman
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Aaron Taylor <aaron_taylor at reyrey.com>
> > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2000 8:53 PM
> > Subject: RE: [naktalk] (New) manuals on ftp:
> >
> > > Hi Wouter,
> > >      You have provided a great and invaluable service to all of us here on
> > NAKTALK. Please understand
> > > that when I replied to John I only wanted him to know that there manuals
> > out there that are free. Under
> > > no assumption that I wanted or to give the preception that people take for
> > granted that them are people like
> > > yourself that gives themself to serve others and that we in the world
> > should take advantage of getting
> > > something for nothing. Yes, we all in this world need to SHARE and DONATE
> > ourselves to help make this world
> > > a better place for all. I will be doing my part. I have a 8 page pamphlet
> > on the Dragon that I got FREE from an
> > > area Audio Store. I saw this same item on Ebay that sold for 40.00 . I
> > cannot believe that someone is trying to
> > > take and capitalize on something that they had gotten FREE. I will scan
> > this document so Wouter can add to his FTP site in
> > > ..pdf format.  Wouter can you give us information on how to do this. It
> > will prove valuable and will help build the library.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Aaron
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Wouter Heijke [SMTP:wheijke at xs4all.nl]
> > > Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2000 12:53 PM
> > > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (New) manuals on ftp:
> > >
> > > Exactly!
> > > That's why they are there to SHARE with each other, so DONATE!
> > >
> > > One thing: Don't sell (printed) copies of these manuals then you piss me
> > off!
> > >
> > > Wouter
> > >
> > > Aaron Taylor wrote:
> > >
> > > > John,
> > > >
> > > >       You can get it Free !!!  Why pay for information!!!!!
> > > >
> > > > Aaron
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From:   Jrdcesq at aol.com [SMTP:Jrdcesq at aol.com]
> > > > Sent:   Thursday, January 27, 2000 9:47 AM
> > > > To:     naktalk at naks.com
> > > > Subject:        Re: [naktalk] (New) manuals on ftp:
> > > >
> > > > I am interested in a Dragon manual.  How much are they?  Please contact
> > me at
> > > > jrdcesq at aol.com.
> > > >
> > > > Thank you
> > > >
> > > > John
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> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 19:02:53 EST
> From: Ninapax24 at aol.com
> Subject: [naktalk] Nak question?
>
>  I have a question,which is a better deck of the two,
>  the Nak RX-202 or the BX-300.thanks
>
>  regards Ted
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> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 19:07:01 EST
> From: RAKNAK57 at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Question for CR-7 owners
>
> Cr7a  does not  remember the tape counter  or   tape  length!!
>
> Hope this  help
> One  Happy  CR7A  owner!
> Raks
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> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 19:20:57 EST
> From: Ninapax24 at aol.com
> Subject: [naktalk] nak.ques.?
>
>  Sorry this is the ques.which is a better deck of the two,
>  the Nak RX-202 or the Nakamichi CR-3. as far as
>  money deal.thanks
>
>  regards Ted
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> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 11:30:55 +1100
> From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" <Thomas.Siomopoulos at nec.com.au>
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak question?
>
> Hi Ted,
>
>         The BX-300 is a three head unit which gives you on the spot monitoring
> of your recordings. The RX-202 is a two head unit and does not offer
> this functions, however the RX-202 offers auto-reverse in a spectacular
> way, It actually turns the tape over. The sound quality should be
> approximately the same.
>
>         Regards Tom.
>
> - -----Original Message-----
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> Ninapax24 at aol.com
> Sent: Friday, 28 January 2000 11:03
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> Subject: [naktalk] Nak question?
>
>  I have a question,which is a better deck of the two,
>  the Nak RX-202 or the BX-300.thanks
>
>  regards Ted
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> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 19:34:38 EST
> From: Scalnajim at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak question?
>
> the bx -300 is the better of the two, hands down!
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> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 19:51:46 EST
> From: Scalnajim at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
>
> I own both the 700 ZXL and the 1000ZXL LIMITED, and I have found the sound of
> both peices very good, but the 1000ZXL LIMITED is definitely better.  After I
> replaced my monster cable interconnects (interlink reference 2) with N. B. S.
> cables the differences between the two decks were more apparent.
>
>     If people are looking to make modifications to their decks, first replace
> your cables, you may find this more effective and safer.
>
> Scott Al-Najim
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> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 18:24:07 -0600
> From: "Stan Targowski" <targowski at mediaone.net>
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] nak.ques.?
>
> Which one is better, RX-202 or CR3? This depends on your objective ...
>
> Assuming both are in the same technical condition and I have a choice which
> one to take ...
>
> If you want to impress your friends with 'cool' - go with RX-202.
>
> If the best possible sound is what you are after - go with CR-3.
>
> If you want to make an investment, RX-202 may be a smarter choice.
>
> Stan
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> From: <Ninapax24 at aol.com>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2000 6:20 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] nak.ques.?
>
> > Sorry this is the ques.which is a better deck of the two,
> >  the Nak RX-202 or the Nakamichi CR-3. as far as
> >  money deal.thanks
> >
> >  regards Ted
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> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 09:18:35 +0200
> From: "stemcor" <stemcor at techno-link.com>
> Subject: [naktalk] Dragon part
>
> A friend of mine just bought a Dragon and unfortunately found out that the
> auto-azimuth is not working at all, due to the "azimuth wire" being
> completely absent. This seems to be a complicated piece of wire/cable, which
> cannot be replaced by anything else but an original from Nakamichi. The part
> No. is OC08237A. Any suggestions as to how it can be obtained from Europe,
> ideally Germany ? Otherwise the machine works perfectly, both recording and
> playback, only the auto-azimuth is not moving at all.
>
> George
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> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 08:22:51 -0500
> From: "Carlos" <copytec at coqui.net>
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] (New) manuals on ftp:
>
> Speaking about manuals. They are for free in our Nakamichi community, but,
> if you ask Nakamichi or any other manufacturer for an original manual it
> wouldn't be for free, if they still have a copy, of course. Usually, Xerox
> copies are for free.
>
> Service Manuals is another story. You have to always buy it and are
> expensive, that's it: if you find one !
>
> Best,
>
> Carlos
>
> - ----- Original Message -----
> From: Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2000 5:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] (New) manuals on ftp:
>
> > Hi Aaron,
> >
> > I know of 2 people who tried selling a printed copy on ebay, fortunally
> ebay stopped their auction!
> > Ebay is getting more and more crazy every day, people pay unbeleavable
> amounts of money for a piece of paper!
> >
> > I don't know exactly how to turn your scanned material into PDF, others
> may be able to answer that question, but if you don't
> > have access to PDF software but do have a scanner you can also send TIFF
> images so someone else can turn those into PDF. I have
> > a BX1 service manual waiting to be processed from TIFF into PDF.
> >
> > Wouter
> >
> >
> > Aaron Taylor wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Wouter,
> > >      You have provided a great and invaluable service to all of us here
> on NAKTALK. Please understand
> > > that when I replied to John I only wanted him to know that there manuals
> out there that are free. Under
> > > no assumption that I wanted or to give the preception that people take
> for granted that them are people like
> > > yourself that gives themself to serve others and that we in the world
> should take advantage of getting
> > > something for nothing. Yes, we all in this world need to SHARE and
> DONATE ourselves to help make this world
> > > a better place for all. I will be doing my part. I have a 8 page
> pamphlet on the Dragon that I got FREE from an
> > > area Audio Store. I saw this same item on Ebay that sold for 40.00 . I
> cannot believe that someone is trying to
> > > take and capitalize on something that they had gotten FREE. I will scan
> this document so Wouter can add to his FTP site in
> > > ..pdf format.  Wouter can you give us information on how to do this. It
> will prove valuable and will help build the library.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Aaron
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From:   Wouter Heijke [SMTP:wheijke at xs4all.nl]
> > > Sent:   Thursday, January 27, 2000 12:53 PM
> > > To:     naktalk at naks.com
> > > Subject:        Re: [naktalk] (New) manuals on ftp:
> > >
> > > Exactly!
> > > That's why they are there to SHARE with each other, so DONATE!
> > >
> > > One thing: Don't sell (printed) copies of these manuals then you piss me
> off!
> > >
> > > Wouter
> > >
> > > Aaron Taylor wrote:
> > >
> > > > John,
> > > >
> > > >       You can get it Free !!!  Why pay for information!!!!!
> > > >
> > > > Aaron
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From:   Jrdcesq at aol.com [SMTP:Jrdcesq at aol.com]
> > > > Sent:   Thursday, January 27, 2000 9:47 AM
> > > > To:     naktalk at naks.com
> > > > Subject:        Re: [naktalk] (New) manuals on ftp:
> > > >
> > > > I am interested in a Dragon manual.  How much are they?  Please
> contact me at
> > > > jrdcesq at aol.com.
> > > >
> > > > Thank you
> > > >
> > > > John
> > > >
> >
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From Gear119348 at aol.com  Fri Jan 28 15:20:05 2000
From: Gear119348 at aol.com (Gear119348 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 09:20:05 EST
Subject: [naktalk] BX-125
Message-ID: <a.aa56ee.25c2ff95@aol.com>

Hi Everyone
  I recently aquired a BX-125 for next to nothing at a local auction.  It 
works fine, however there is a rythmic creaking noise coming from behind the 
cassette well when it is in "play" mode.  If I take the cassette out and hit 
"play" the noise is not present.  It doesn't make any unusual noises when 
fast forwarding or rewinding either.   Any thoughts?  Did I buy somebody 
elses headache, or does this sound like a familiar problem for this beast?

Sincerely, Terry
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From ruajw2 at idirect.com  Fri Jan 28 16:12:25 2000
From: ruajw2 at idirect.com (Roland Alford)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 10:12:25 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] BX-125
In-Reply-To: <a.aa56ee.25c2ff95@aol.com>
Message-ID: <LOBBKNJOIBADCLIAMEGJGELICBAA.ruajw2@idirect.com>


You are experiencing one of the biggest "OOPSES" that Nakamichi ever made.
It is the idler wheel, a rubber 'tire' of sorts that hardens and wears out
with age, typically every five years or so.  You can have the idler replaced
(cheap and can be done yourself if you are VERY careful, but make sure your
replacement idler is fresh rubber, not something that has been sitting in
some repair shop's drawer for five years) or you can take it to a Nak
authorized repair shop a have an upgrade in which they replace the wheel
with little cogs.  In my opinion, Nakamichi should have done a recall and
upgraded them for free, but we ain't so fortunate.  Expect to pay between
$100 - $150.


Roland (who has a BX-100 buried in a closet for the same reason.)

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From lhasiuk at alumni.caltech.edu  Fri Jan 28 16:23:39 2000
From: lhasiuk at alumni.caltech.edu (Lee Hasiuk)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 10:23:39 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] 700ZXE and NR100 for sale
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20000128102339.01c69a50@pop-server>

I'm planning to sell my 700ZXE and NR100 Dolby C processor, which I
purchased new in 1982 (or was it 1983?) when I sold my Tandberg reel to
reel.  It hasn't seen much use over the years; I just never had the time to
do much taping.  My plan is to auction it on eBay, but I thought that I
would offer it people on the list, first, since you are more likely to give
it a good home.

I have all the original boxes, cables, manuals, warranty cards, even the
grey plastic bag zip lock bag which the manual came in.  I don't have the
original tapes that came with it, but I do have the cleaning kit and
adjustment screwdriver, and I'm still looking for my Nak demagnetizer,
which is around here somewhere.

Condition-wise, the unit looks brand new, but there are two small nicks in
the brushed alumninum front panel.  I'm in the process of getting some
digital photos posted in anticipation of the auction.  Everything works,
even the light bulbs (I replaced the burned out ones about 13 years ago
with new factory parts), and I made a tape yesterday and it still sounded
great after all these years.

Please e-mail me privately if you are interested.  I'll consider all
serious offers.  I don't think that I'll take less than $700, but who knows?

Lee Hasiuk
lhasiuk at alumni.caltech.edu

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From LDEVOE at mail.mcg.edu  Fri Jan 28 17:36:23 2000
From: LDEVOE at mail.mcg.edu (Lawrence Devoe)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 11:36:23 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Question for CR-7 owners
Message-ID: <s8917f4d.066@mail.mcg.edu>

My understanding is that there is a default position for these settings that the NAK goes to when powered on. Most tape recorders do not have this kind of memory unless they are digital domain and there is program option to do this.  

>>> ronami at yahoo.com 01/27/00 01:52PM >>>

My CR-7 seems to have faulty memory. Meaning:
when turned on, it does not remember the last
counter value and tape length. Can't find
anything about this in the manual. Is this a
weakness of the design, same as the lack of
ON/OFF function on the remote control? Is the
CR-7 supposed to remember counter value and
tape length after being switched off?

BTW, since the deck does remember tape type/equ
and monitoring source, I must conclude that the
battery and microprocessor are good.

Thanks for any comment,

-- Ron

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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Fri Jan 28 20:36:49 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 19:36:49 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
In-Reply-To: <76.1530a4f.25c24222@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000001bf69c7$06259d40$4b21893e@a4s1s2>

I think this is excellent advice.  I would add also look at your power
supply - an X volt to X volt transformer is good.  This can do wonders for
the stability of the running motors which you hear in music such as
sustained piano notes.

Graham

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> Scalnajim at aol.com
> Sent: 28 January 2000 00:52
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
>
>
> I own both the 700 ZXL and the 1000ZXL LIMITED, and I have found
> the sound of
> both peices very good, but the 1000ZXL LIMITED is definitely
> better.  After I
> replaced my monster cable interconnects (interlink reference 2)
> with N. B. S.
> cables the differences between the two decks were more apparent.
>
>     If people are looking to make modifications to their decks,
> first replace
> your cables, you may find this more effective and safer.
>
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From hanuman at bdol.com  Fri Jan 28 20:40:01 2000
From: hanuman at bdol.com (hanuman)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 14:40:01 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] test
In-Reply-To: <20000104202448.25859.qmail@web111.yahoomail.com>
Message-ID: <l03130301b4b7a0fa4e20@[140.186.35.6]>

test


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From george.m.hook at ac.com  Fri Jan 28 22:58:59 2000
From: george.m.hook at ac.com (george.m.hook at ac.com)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 15:58:59 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Bias Control on Cassette Deck 2
Message-ID: <86256874.00780F43.00@amrhm1101.ac.com>

While I am not proficient in Advanced Nakamachi, I enjoy being back on the
mailing list and reading all your comments.

I am still experimenting with dubbing prerecorded tapes with my Nakamachi
Cassette Deck 2 and my NAD Cassette Deck 602.  Of course, I record from the NAD
into the Nak.  Any advice out there on wiring up the two decks for optimal
dubbing ease?

And, for some reason, I can't download the Nak manuals you are offering.  How
would I use the Bias Control on the Nak to improve the dubbing?  I still get too
much bass response ( I am running the NAD through the amplifier, not directly
into the NAK).

I appreciate your observations, George



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From ronami at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 28 23:51:07 2000
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 14:51:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Question for CR-7 owners
Message-ID: <20000128225107.26108.qmail@web107.yahoomail.com>


Thanks for your -- and others' -- replies. Al
least, I know that my deck is not defective.

OTOH, I can't help but wonder what would compel
Nakamichi engineers to produce such a poor design.
The lack of these memory functions (counter value,
counter mode and tape length) is an honest to
goodness pain in the you know what...

Especially since the information is already
available inside the uP (microprocessor) and
it's battery backed up anyway. This uP contains
256 nibbles of RAM -- I can't imagin there wasn't
enough space for 4 or 5 additional nibbles, to
retain this information.

Oh, well... Nothing is perfect. Not even Nakamichi
decks...

-- Ron



--- Lawrence Devoe <LDEVOE at mail.mcg.edu> wrote:
> My understanding is that there is a default position for
> these settings that the NAK goes to when powered on. Most
> tape recorders do not have this kind of memory unless
> they are digital domain and there is program option to do
> this.  
> 
> >>> ronami at yahoo.com 01/27/00 01:52PM >>>
> 
> My CR-7 seems to have faulty memory. Meaning:
> when turned on, it does not remember the last
> counter value and tape length. Can't find
> anything about this in the manual. Is this a
> weakness of the design, same as the lack of
> ON/OFF function on the remote control? Is the
> CR-7 supposed to remember counter value and
> tape length after being switched off?
> 
> BTW, since the deck does remember tape type/equ
> and monitoring source, I must conclude that the
> battery and microprocessor are good.
> 
> Thanks for any comment,
> 
> -- Ron
> 
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From blueswapper at angelfire.com  Sat Jan 29 01:14:40 2000
From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 16:14:40 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Re: RX-505/Nak CyberSpot website
Message-ID: <IGEKBNHMGCOMAAAA@angelfire.com>

Anyone wanting to learn more at the Nak RX-505, have a look at the Nak CyberSpot website:

http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html

Please send comments to me directly at my email address.  Merci

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On Tue, 18 Jan 2000 11:04:37   The BlueSwapper wrote:
>Thanks for your comment, Roy!
>
>From what you can view, does that all come through clearly?  
>
>Yes, the site is being developed, not complete yet!  Look at the Nak CyberSpot in about two weeks, and you'll see all of the RX-505 brochure.
>
>I've got other important work to do, some on another site, but the Nak CyberSpot is an important project for me.  
>
>Have a good one!!!
>
>
>Kenny Parsons
>Madison, WI  USA
>
>---
>Help keep the blues alive!  Got Some???
>http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper
>
>
>
>On Tue, 18 Jan 2000 10:33:31   Roy Svensson wrote:
>>Hello
>>Your site can be really good but it doesn't work so well just now.
>>Its impossible to look at all the RX 505 sides.
>>Best regards
>>
>>Roy Svensson
>>
>>
>>
>



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From mdhjwh at ozemail.com.au  Sat Jan 29 06:51:12 2000
From: mdhjwh at ozemail.com.au (jhughes)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 16:51:12 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Problems(?) with hard-wiring Nak input and outputs
References: <388B5226.2D43BC92@digizen.net> <388B85A3.79B09364@emall-online.com> <002301bf669c$b8ee0080$258c5f18@stny.rr.com> <388D566B.5563E30E@rjknet.net>
Message-ID: <38927FCF.41FF3239@ozemail.com.au>



Stephen Sank wrote:> If you mean hardwiring input/output cables, no I definitely don't
recommend that. <
Could you tell us why? Doing so on my Dragon impoved the sonics across the board and I
haven't had any problems as a result.

Hail Fellow Nakamaniacs

John H


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From mdhjwh at ozemail.com.au  Sat Jan 29 06:57:39 2000
From: mdhjwh at ozemail.com.au (jhughes)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 16:57:39 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Missing post - -- where is it ? ? ??? ? ? ??? ? 
Message-ID: <38928153.3E15CD2C@ozemail.com.au>

Hi Tony,
Your post re op-amps etc has not made an appearance on Nactalk.
I wonder if it has been censored or what ? I have been looking forward
to
what some of the duller US tecs would have to say in response.
You will know it has been posted when it returns to you.

regards,

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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Sat Jan 29 07:40:26 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 23:40:26 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Problems(?) with hard-wiring Nak input and outputs
References: <388B5226.2D43BC92@digizen.net> <388B85A3.79B09364@emall-online.com> <002301bf669c$b8ee0080$258c5f18@stny.rr.com> <388D566B.5563E30E@rjknet.net> <38927FCF.41FF3239@ozemail.com.au>
Message-ID: <38928B5A.7AB53E4B@rjknet.net>

Several reasons.  First, I think it cosmetically looks terrible. 
Second, it eliminates the ability to try different cables as one
discovers or can afford better ones, or simply needs a different
length.  Third, most of the best cables available for interconnects are
thick &/or stiff & make routing inside the unit difficult, as well as
making servicing more difficult.  Honestly, though, mostly it just makes
me cringe from the cosmetic standpoint(reminds me of some crappy old
Fisher deck with attached cables) & Cardas GRFA jacks looks really
pretty on the back of a Nak.

jhughes wrote:
> 
> Stephen Sank wrote:> If you mean hardwiring input/output cables, no I definitely don't
> recommend that. <
> Could you tell us why? Doing so on my Dragon impoved the sonics across the board and I
> haven't had any problems as a result.
> 
> Hail Fellow Nakamaniacs
> 
> John H
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http://emall-online.com/cvspeakerco/default.htm
7611 Menaul Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico [ 87110 ]
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From ronami at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 29 17:40:03 2000
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 08:40:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Problems(?) with hard-wiring Nak input and outputs
Message-ID: <20000129164003.15155.qmail@web113.yahoomail.com>


In addition, I find it hard to believe it can make
a difference -- positive or otherwise. Would the
original poster expand on how and in what respect
it 'impoved the sonics across the board'? TIA.

-- A non-believer
 


--- Stephen Sank <stephen_sank at rjknet.net> wrote:
> Several reasons.  First, I think it cosmetically looks
> terrible. 
> Second, it eliminates the ability to try different cables
> as one
> discovers or can afford better ones, or simply needs a
> different
> length.  Third, most of the best cables available for
> interconnects are
> thick &/or stiff & make routing inside the unit
> difficult, as well as
> making servicing more difficult.  Honestly, though,
> mostly it just makes
> me cringe from the cosmetic standpoint(reminds me of some
> crappy old
> Fisher deck with attached cables) & Cardas GRFA jacks
> looks really
> pretty on the back of a Nak.
> 
> jhughes wrote:
> > 
> > Stephen Sank wrote:> If you mean hardwiring
> input/output cables, no I definitely don't
> > recommend that. <
> > Could you tell us why? Doing so on my Dragon impoved
> the sonics across the board and I
> > haven't had any problems as a result.
> > 
> > Hail Fellow Nakamaniacs
> > 
> > John H
> 
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Sat Jan 29 19:45:43 2000
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 19:45:43 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Missing post - -- where is it ? ? ??? ? ? ??? ?
References: <38928153.3E15CD2C@ozemail.com.au>
Message-ID: <38933557.A2121B27@xs4all.nl>

There is no censoring on this list!

Wouter

jhughes wrote:

> Hi Tony,
> Your post re op-amps etc has not made an appearance on Nactalk.
> I wonder if it has been censored or what ? I have been looking forward
> to
> what some of the duller US tecs would have to say in response.
> You will know it has been posted when it returns to you.
>
> regards,
>
> John H

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From blueswapper at angelfire.com  Sat Jan 29 20:47:53 2000
From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 11:47:53 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 Advert......
Message-ID: <PGOAJKAIMCOABAAA@angelfire.com>

Wouter - You'll find two .pdf files uploaded to the ftp://Naks/incoming site, that together makes the Nak RX-505 posterboard advert that was displayed at Nak dealers in the mid-1980's.  Please stitch these together to create a single .pdf graphic for others to access in the Nak library.

More to offer from my archive, full Nak RX-505/303, RX-202, & DR Series brochures.  I'm also holding some Nak Mobile brochure info that I can prepare if you want those. I'll inform you before I transfer the RX-505 brochure to your ftp site.

KJP

---
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>Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 00:41:57 +0100
>From: Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
>Subject: Re: New manuals on the ftp server

>Here it is:  ftp://ftp.naks.com

>Wouter

                   


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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Sat Jan 29 21:17:25 2000
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 21:17:25 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Re: RX-505/Nak CyberSpot website
References: <IGEKBNHMGCOMAAAA@angelfire.com>
Message-ID: <38934AD4.A653813B@xs4all.nl>

Great looking scans!

Keep up the good work!

Wouter

The BlueSwapper wrote:

> Anyone wanting to learn more at the Nak RX-505, have a look at the Nak CyberSpot website:
>
> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html
>
> Please send comments to me directly at my email address.  Merci
>
> ---
> Help keep the blues alive!  Got Some???
> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper
>
> On Tue, 18 Jan 2000 11:04:37   The BlueSwapper wrote:
> >Thanks for your comment, Roy!
> >
> >From what you can view, does that all come through clearly?
> >
> >Yes, the site is being developed, not complete yet!  Look at the Nak CyberSpot in about two weeks, and you'll see all of the RX-505 brochure.
> >
> >I've got other important work to do, some on another site, but the Nak CyberSpot is an important project for me.
> >
> >Have a good one!!!
> >
> >
> >Kenny Parsons
> >Madison, WI  USA
> >
> >---
> >Help keep the blues alive!  Got Some???
> >http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper
> >
> >
> >
> >On Tue, 18 Jan 2000 10:33:31   Roy Svensson wrote:
> >>Hello
> >>Your site can be really good but it doesn't work so well just now.
> >>Its impossible to look at all the RX 505 sides.
> >>Best regards
> >>
> >>Roy Svensson
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >

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From mdhjwh at ozemail.com.au  Sun Jan 30 00:00:18 2000
From: mdhjwh at ozemail.com.au (jhughes)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 10:00:18 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Bullshit post to Nactalk
Message-ID: <38937102.77C0BEB3@ozemail.com.au>

Hi Tony,
Don't have a fit when, and if, you encounter the post below on Nactalk.
I'm bullshiting them as a stir just to see what kind of response I get.
The joy of the net is in this kind of pretense I suggest?

all the best ,
John H

>Well that should teach me not to open my big mouth
on such a contentious subject.
My origainla post  , I thought , listed the differencess
we all 'imagined' hearing.
If however you are a skeptic in such matters there is no
way I can convince you of the validity of my assertions.
You would have to play blind listening tests with two
identical Nacs , with and without the hard wiring.

John H

PS everything in my system is hard wired (with the exception
of cartridge pins) from source to speakers.
I have only made one change in years with the addition of a
Sony SCD-1 SACD player. and I'm happy to weild a soldering iron
any time I feel the desparate need to change anything.
I realize that this appraoch is anathema to those who love playing at
home hi'fi reviewer.
It has the additional tested advantage of detering theft.<


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From mdhjwh at ozemail.com.au  Sun Jan 30 00:05:45 2000
From: mdhjwh at ozemail.com.au (jhughes)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 10:05:45 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Blind listening proof and other considerations
References: <20000129164003.15155.qmail@web113.yahoomail.com>
Message-ID: <38937248.1B6C8028@ozemail.com.au>



Well that should teach me not to open my big mouth
on such a contentious subject.
My origainla post  , I thought , listed the differencess
we all 'imagined' hearing.
If however you are a skeptic in such matters there is no
way I can convince you of the validity of my assertions.
You would have to play blind listening tests with two
identical Nacs , with and without the hard wiring.
Everything in my system is hard wired (with the exception
of cartridge pins) from source to speakers.
I have only made one change in years with the addition of a
Sony SCD-1 SACD player. and I'm happy to weild a soldering iron
any time I feel the desparate need for change .
I realize that this appraoch is anathema to those who love playing at
home hi'fi reviewer.
It has the additional tested advantage of detering theft.

John H



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From copytec at coqui.net  Sun Jan 30 02:52:03 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 20:52:03 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Re: RX-505/Nak CyberSpot website
References: <IGEKBNHMGCOMAAAA@angelfire.com> <38934AD4.A653813B@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <003101bf6ac4$9df9eec0$a8302ac4@coqui.net>

Hello Blues:

Great scanning ! Looks beautiful. If only I could scan my 1000 and 700 ZXL !

Keep up the good work !

Carlos

----- Original Message -----
From: Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2000 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: RX-505/Nak CyberSpot website


> Great looking scans!
>
> Keep up the good work!
>
> Wouter
>
> The BlueSwapper wrote:
>
> > Anyone wanting to learn more at the Nak RX-505, have a look at the Nak
CyberSpot website:
> >
> > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html
> >
> > Please send comments to me directly at my email address.  Merci
> >
> > ---
> > Help keep the blues alive!  Got Some???
> > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper
> >
> > On Tue, 18 Jan 2000 11:04:37   The BlueSwapper wrote:
> > >Thanks for your comment, Roy!
> > >
> > >From what you can view, does that all come through clearly?
> > >
> > >Yes, the site is being developed, not complete yet!  Look at the Nak
CyberSpot in about two weeks, and you'll see all of the RX-505 brochure.
> > >
> > >I've got other important work to do, some on another site, but the Nak
CyberSpot is an important project for me.
> > >
> > >Have a good one!!!
> > >
> > >
> > >Kenny Parsons
> > >Madison, WI  USA
> > >
> > >---
> > >Help keep the blues alive!  Got Some???
> > >http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >On Tue, 18 Jan 2000 10:33:31   Roy Svensson wrote:
> > >>Hello
> > >>Your site can be really good but it doesn't work so well just now.
> > >>Its impossible to look at all the RX 505 sides.
> > >>Best regards
> > >>
> > >>Roy Svensson
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
>
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From mdhjwh at ozemail.com.au  Sun Jan 30 01:42:01 2000
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Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 11:42:01 +1100
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Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 11:42:14 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
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From k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de  Mon Jan 31 13:42:32 2000
From: k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de (Karl-Heinz Herrmann)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 13:42:32 +0100 (MET)
Subject: [naktalk] Is any Dragon 'a' Dragon?
In-Reply-To: <38937248.1B6C8028@ozemail.com.au>
Message-ID: <XFMail.000131134232.k.-h.herrmann@fz-juelich.de>

Hi,

maybe a strange question but: 
Is any Dragon a 'real' Dragon? 

I ask because they sell a supposedly *new* Dragon on the German eBay. I
asked them about the "new" and they told me, that these (plural yes)
machines have been listed at a German distributer until 1997. They bought
all of them, checked the completeness and these machines didn't run one
minute. 

So it seems these are the last built Dragons. Are these the same as the
older ones? better? worse? My question on the year of construction was
not (yet?) answered so I can only guess that these are quite recent ones.

Oh yes.... they want 2500DM (times 1/2 for dollars right now).


Karl-Heinz

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From k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de  Mon Jan 31 14:03:38 2000
From: k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de (Karl-Heinz Herrmann)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 14:03:38 +0100 (MET)
Subject: [naktalk] DeMagging 
In-Reply-To: <s871b8ea.029@mail.mcg.edu>
Message-ID: <XFMail.000131140338.k.-h.herrmann@fz-juelich.de>

Hi,

during my holiday I missed out on the DeMagging thread and just catched
up on most of it I hope. One questions remains:
Is there a real difference between good (DM-10) and cheap Demaggers?

I know that the cheap one I bought some years ago is mainly a big coil
running at 50Hz from the 220V Powersupply. Are there ones with
other/higher frequency? 

I wondering a bit: A head easily capable of 20kHz will be demagetized by
50Hz because the metal can't follow the fast changing magnetic field and
will finally stay in an unmagnetized state? Not that I ever heard *any*
pre/after demag difference..... 
And I usually try to demag every metal part in the tape path: heads,
Capstan-drives, metal guides,.... And yes I leave all spots quite slowly. 


happy Naking,

K.-H.

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From ronami at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 31 15:46:11 2000
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 06:46:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] DeMagging 
Message-ID: <20000131144611.13199.qmail@web112.yahoomail.com>


--- Karl-Heinz Herrmann <k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de>
wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> during my holiday I missed out on the DeMagging thread
> and just catched up on most of it I hope. One questions
> remains: Is there a real difference between good (DM-10)
> and cheap Demaggers?

If you compare the DM-10 to the far cheaper but very
similar Radio Shack demagnetizer, I think the answer is 
'NO'.

> I know that the cheap one I bought some years ago
> is mainly a big coil running at 50Hz from the 220V
> Powersupply. Are there ones with other/higher
> frequency?

Yes. I believe the one that looks like a cassette
contains an osscilator and runs at a higher frequency.
To be honest, I don't know what advantage this offers.

> I wondering a bit: A head easily capable of 20kHz
> will be demagetized by 50Hz because the metal can't
> follow the fast changing magnetic field and will
> finally stay in an unmagnetized state?

Not really. The heads *will* follow the manetic field
applied by the demagnetizer. However, if that magnetic
field were reduced from a high level to zero, the head
would remain magnetized, due to hysteresis. By reducing
the magnetic field gradually, over many cycles of the
alternating field, the head magnetization ends up very
close to zero.

The frequency of the magnetic field is immaterial,
as long as it diminishes very slowly, over a large
number of cycles. If the wand is withdrawn for, say,
5 seconds, the 50Hz field will have 250 cycles over
which to disappeart. I think this should be more than
enough to do the job. If the frequency was, say, 5KHz,
you could withdraw the wand as fast as you please and
still get good demagnetization. 

> Not that I ever heard *any* pre/after demag
> difference.....

If you did, it would be too late... A magnetized head
will partially erase tapes; particularly, the higher
frequencies. The idea is to demag *before* this happens. 

> And I usually try to demag every metal part in the
> tape path: heads, Capstan-drives, metal guides,....
> And yes I leave all spots quite slowly.

I think this is the correct way to demag.

-- Ron
 
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From dupont at digizen.net  Sat Jan 29 10:28:45 2000
From: dupont at digizen.net (George and Barbara Dupont)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 04:28:45 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]
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From jle at lig.di.epfl.ch  Mon Jan 31 17:53:20 2000
From: jle at lig.di.epfl.ch (jle)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 17:53:20 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]
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Hello,

I have the following question:

any chance one of those ZX-9 would be compatibled with ~220V power as
in most parts of Europe?

Thank you


-Joaquim


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> Subject: FS:Nakamichi decks
> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 18:17:24 -0500
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> TO ALL NAKAMICHI LOVERS,
> 
>  I obtained all the Nakamichi ZX-9 s from Nakamichi's recording studio
>  in California.  They were sent to me by the President of Nakamichi
>  with the intent to be overhauled and sold to Nakamichi enthusiasts.
> 
>  They have been overhauled and are in excellent to mint condition!
>  They come boxed with a copy of the owner's manual and
>  a 1 YEAR WARRANTY,  just like when they were new !!
>  The cost is  $1000 plus S & H.
> 
>  If you know Nakamichi cassette decks,
>  you know why Nakamichi used the ZX-9 s in THEIR recording studio.
> 
>  Other models and parts also available.
>  We also have the BX/MR idler tires and gear reel drive mod kits !
> 
>  I have been doing Nakamichi Authorized Service for over 25 years.
>  For a reference contact parts at nakamichi.com .
> 
>  Feel free to call me at 860.529.3700.  M-F 8AM to 6PM  EST.(-5 GMT)
>  www.eslabs.com   or  eslabs at prodigy.net
> 
>  Sincerely,
>  Jeffrey Galin
> 
>  Nakamichi Serviced Here
>  ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS
>  1807 Berlin Turnpike
>  Wethersfield, Connecticut  06109  USA

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From w.smetanig at chello.at  Mon Jan 31 18:34:09 2000
From: w.smetanig at chello.at (Dr. Wolfgang Smetanig)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 18:34:09 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]
Message-ID: <001701bf6c11$666c9860$4601010a@P200.telekabel.at>

Hi!

If you buy an transformer (220 <-> 110 in both directions, up to 500 watts)
from RS-Components, this will work fine. I by myself use such athing with my
overseas NAKS without any problem and much cheaper than upgrading with an
original Nak-part (about 60 SFr)

If you want more information please feel fre to conatct me directly

Greetings

Wolfgang

( w.smetanig at chello.at )

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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Mon Jan 31 19:27:56 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 11:27:56 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Is any Dragon 'a' Dragon?
References: <XFMail.000131134232.k.-h.herrmann@fz-juelich.de>
Message-ID: <3895D42C.EE7B809A@rjknet.net>

The Dragon had no significant changes in construction or electronics
during it's entire production life, which ended in 1994, as far as I
know.  I would be somewhat suspicious of this deal, though, so I would
recommend extreme caution & a professional examination of the deck as
soon as you get it.

Karl-Heinz Herrmann wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> maybe a strange question but:
> Is any Dragon a 'real' Dragon?
> 
> I ask because they sell a supposedly *new* Dragon on the German eBay. I
> asked them about the "new" and they told me, that these (plural yes)
> machines have been listed at a German distributer until 1997. They bought
> all of them, checked the completeness and these machines didn't run one
> minute.
> 
> So it seems these are the last built Dragons. Are these the same as the
> older ones? better? worse? My question on the year of construction was
> not (yet?) answered so I can only guess that these are quite recent ones.
> 
> Oh yes.... they want 2500DM (times 1/2 for dollars right now).
> 
> Karl-Heinz
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------
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> Date: 31-Jan-00      Time: 13:36:32
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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Mon Jan 31 19:41:36 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 11:41:36 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]
References: <3892B2CD.DD14990@digizen.net> <3895BE00.89862AC9@lig.di.epfl.ch>
Message-ID: <3895D760.6B1F1A17@rjknet.net>

No.  The ZX-9 was produced with destination-specific power transformers,
so you would have to replace it or use a step-down.

jle wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I have the following question:
> 
> any chance one of those ZX-9 would be compatibled with ~220V power as
> in most parts of Europe?
> 
> Thank you
> 
> -Joaquim
> 
> George and Barbara Dupont wrote:
> >
> >   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Subject: FS:Nakamichi decks
> > Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 18:17:24 -0500
> > From: "Jeffrey Galin" <jgalin at eslabs.com>
> > Organization: Prodigy Internet http://www.prodigy.com
> > Newsgroups: rec.audio.marketplace,rec.audio.misc,rec.audio.pro
> >
> > TO ALL NAKAMICHI LOVERS,
> >
> >  I obtained all the Nakamichi ZX-9 s from Nakamichi's recording studio
> >  in California.  They were sent to me by the President of Nakamichi
> >  with the intent to be overhauled and sold to Nakamichi enthusiasts.
> >
> >  They have been overhauled and are in excellent to mint condition!
> >  They come boxed with a copy of the owner's manual and
> >  a 1 YEAR WARRANTY,  just like when they were new !!
> >  The cost is  $1000 plus S & H.
> >
> >  If you know Nakamichi cassette decks,
> >  you know why Nakamichi used the ZX-9 s in THEIR recording studio.
> >
> >  Other models and parts also available.
> >  We also have the BX/MR idler tires and gear reel drive mod kits !
> >
> >  I have been doing Nakamichi Authorized Service for over 25 years.
> >  For a reference contact parts at nakamichi.com .
> >
> >  Feel free to call me at 860.529.3700.  M-F 8AM to 6PM  EST.(-5 GMT)
> >  www.eslabs.com   or  eslabs at prodigy.net
> >
> >  Sincerely,
> >  Jeffrey Galin
> >
> >  Nakamichi Serviced Here
> >  ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS
> >  1807 Berlin Turnpike
> >  Wethersfield, Connecticut  06109  USA
> 
> --
> _____________________________________________________________
> 
> Joaquim L. Esmerado             EPFL - Computer Graphics Lab
>                                 EPFL-DI-LIG 1015 Lausanne,CH
> Email: jle at lig.di.epfl.ch       Tel.(office):+41-21-693 5247
> Tel.(Lab):+41-21-693 5248       Fax :  +41 21 693 5328
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From k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de  Mon Jan 31 20:00:58 2000
From: k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de (Karl-Heinz Herrmann)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 20:00:58 +0100 (MET)
Subject: [naktalk] Is any Dragon 'a' Dragon?
In-Reply-To: <3895D42C.EE7B809A@rjknet.net>
Message-ID: <XFMail.000131200058.k.-h.herrmann@fz-juelich.de>


On 31-Jan-00 Stephen Sank wrote:
> The Dragon had no significant changes in construction or electronics
> during it's entire production life, which ended in 1994, as far as I
> know.  I would be somewhat suspicious of this deal, though, so I would
> recommend extreme caution & a professional examination of the deck as
> soon as you get it.

Hmm... yes. I'm still somewhat suspicious. Especially there are used
Dragons for 1400DM right now on eBay. It's 1100DM more for the *new*. 
(2 DM = 1$).

I wouldn't know how I could get a professional examination here in
Germany. I'm not afraid to have a look myself. Could I look for obvious
parts for usage? The interesting parts would of course be the mechanics
and the head....
How well will the electronics age? Eletrolyte-Condensers the obvious
problem makers. If this is really a unused shelf warmer for *years* --how
well does it keep sitting on a shelf since 5 or 6 years?

Would it be possible to tell a new one from a used one in some few days? 
At least I can check the recording quality of course, but then: I don't
know how a Dragon is supposed to sound. I know the RX-505 so and
can compare them.

I'm especially suspicious because they still didn't answer the year of
contruction question. Where could they find that? Somewhere on the back? 
Some number with hidden month and year maybe?


Thanks for your answer,

Karl-Heinz



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From blueswapper at angelfire.com  Mon Jan 31 20:13:48 2000
From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 11:13:48 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Re: (Puff the Magic) Dragon.....
Message-ID: <IHFHCJDPEGMBAAAA@angelfire.com>

Beware of dragons that are said to be created after the last known official Nak production date (1993???).  Lots of fraud occurring on the internet auction sites currently, and we don't want our bretheren suffering from malicious sellers offering bogus goods!

Mr Blues

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~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ 

On Mon, 31 Jan 2000 18:42:47   naktalk-digest wrote:
>
>naktalk-digest        Monday, January 31 2000        Volume 01 : Number 158
>
>
>Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 13:42:32 +0100 (MET)
>From: Karl-Heinz Herrmann <k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de>
>Subject: [naktalk] Is any Dragon 'a' Dragon?
>
>Hi,
>
>maybe a strange question but: 
>Is any Dragon a 'real' Dragon? 
>
>I ask because they sell a supposedly *new* Dragon on the German eBay. I
>asked them about the "new" and they told me, that these (plural yes)
>machines have been listed at a German distributer until 1997. They bought
>all of them, checked the completeness and these machines didn't run one
>minute. 
>
>So it seems these are the last built Dragons. Are these the same as the
>older ones? better? worse? My question on the year of construction was
>not (yet?) answered so I can only guess that these are quite recent ones.
>
>Oh yes.... they want 2500DM (times 1/2 for dollars right now).
>
>
>Karl-Heinz
>

>
>End of naktalk-digest V1 #158
>*****************************
>
>


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From k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de  Mon Jan 31 22:36:52 2000
From: k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de (Karl-Heinz Herrmann)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 22:36:52 +0100 (MET)
Subject: [naktalk] Re: (Puff the Magic) Dragon.....
In-Reply-To: <IHFHCJDPEGMBAAAA@angelfire.com>
Message-ID: <XFMail.000131223652.k.-h.herrmann@fz-juelich.de>


On 31-Jan-00 The BlueSwapper wrote:
> Beware of dragons that are said to be created after the last known
> official Nak production date (1993???).  Lots of fraud occurring on the
> internet auction sites currently, and we don't want our bretheren
> suffering from malicious sellers offering bogus goods!
> 

Hmm.... they just say it's new and that they bought the last ones from a
German distributor in 1997. When they are built I still don't know....
am waiting for their answer.

K.-H.


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From GeoffWard at nvision1.com  Mon Jan  3 22:31:49 2000
From: GeoffWard at nvision1.com (Geoff Ward)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 13:31:49 -0800 
Subject: [naktalk] Demagnetizing....
Message-ID: <329AA4E7412ED111B30D00A024CDD94780F80E@yosemite-E0.foothill.net>

Have been reading the discussion on demagnetizing with interest. A lesson I
learned the "hard-way"...my wife and I live off-grid 
In a solar powered home...the modified sine wave (really a square wave) from
our 12VDC > 120VAC inverter is not demagnetizer friendly! My poor BX-150
became an expensive tool to fetch lost nails! Using the "sine wave" output
from our generator fixed the problem. My demagnetizer is the Radio Shack
model, I purchased it almost 15 years ago when I bought the BX-150!

Cheers,

Geoff Ward

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From copytec at coqui.net  Tue Jan  4 04:47:13 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 22:47:13 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] 700 ZXL /Carlos Copytec
References: <0.a960b8d4.25a23acc@aol.com>
Message-ID: <007901bf5666$6346cae0$e12f2ac4@coqui.net>

Don't worry. You will very soon !

Carlos

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Subject: [naktalk] 700 ZXL /Carlos Copytec


> Carlos:
> I still have not received my manual.
> JP
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From PLAlbrecht at aol.com  Tue Jan  4 04:42:16 2000
From: PLAlbrecht at aol.com (PLAlbrecht at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 22:42:16 EST
Subject: [naktalk] Fixing LX-3 deck
Message-ID: <0.4506f5d5.25a2c618@aol.com>

I'm having trouble with my Nak LX-3 cassette deck. (actually I've hauled the 
480 out of mothballs for the time being...)

The problems are the familiar groaning noise when you shut off a tape (I 
gather there is an update kit with some rollers that takes care of that) but 
most important, when the "play" button is engaged it "tries" to start the 
tape but nothing happens. Sometimes, rarely, it used to start after several 
tries, but that has been getting less and less frequent until finally it 
seems to have given up entirely.

Any thoughts on what is causing this? Is it a maintenance thing I can take 
care of myself (I thought not... but had to ask)? Can anybody recommend shops 
in the LA area or western U.S.? (I found Champlain Valley Speaker on Naks.com 
and have already sent a query to them.) 

Thanks in advance,

Pete
Costa Mesa, CA
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From TRANSPLATA at aol.com  Tue Jan  4 05:42:23 2000
From: TRANSPLATA at aol.com (TRANSPLATA at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 23:42:23 EST
Subject: [naktalk] Fixing LX-3 deck
Message-ID: <0.a17f735a.25a2d42f@aol.com>

Don't waste your time just send it to Steven at Champlain. I just had 2 
700ZXL's  serviced at his facility after being burned in Torrance !!
Regards,
Jean-Pierre
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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Tue Jan  4 09:10:34 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan S)
Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 13:40:34 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] BX 300 Power supply
Message-ID: <3871AAFA.14475BAA@giasbg01.vsnl.net.in>

My BX 300 power supply ( Using opamp and power transistor based dual
power supply +_ 12 V
heating up - the regulating power transistors is quite hot and I suspect
Oscillation. Any suggestion which component is the cause - is Opamp 4558
the cause ? I do not have the service manual
- all circuits perform including recording properly. I changed the power
transistor and found no cure - I keep the chassis open and added
additional heatsink to keep the transistor cool. I found no noise or any
other problem except when play with tape ( or record with the tape)
causes more current to flow thru the Circuit and more heating up. Input
to the regulator is + 17 volts on the positive side and -21 on the
negative side . I changed the Diode bridge but seems positive side is
having more drop thru the Diode bridge while Transformer supplies equal
voltage about 16 -17 V AC to this circuit Output is +11.86 / -11.8 or so
showing regulation is OK
Can anybody faced similar problems? Any suggestions
Kannan  (Bangalore - India)
email      kannan_s at vsnl.com

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From stephen_sank at emall-online.com  Tue Jan  4 09:38:19 2000
From: stephen_sank at emall-online.com (Stephen Sank)
Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 01:38:19 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] BX 300 Power supply
References: <3871AAFA.14475BAA@giasbg01.vsnl.net.in>
Message-ID: <3871B17B.EA9E7A4F@emall-online.com>

This is not a problem I have specifically seen before, so I can only
make an educated guess.  I would first suspect a leaky electrolytic
capacitor on probably the +12v line, but there are likely to be more
than a few such caps on the line, so one would have to disconnect each
in turn to see you can get the input voltage of the regulator circuit to
come up to 21v.  I am at home & don't have the schematic in front of me,
so I can't be more helpful at the moment, but if you will email me
during US daylight hours, I can refer to it for my next reply, as well
as scan the diagram & email it if I have time.  Just one question:  The
regulators do normally run pretty close to darn hot.  Had you noticed an
increase in heat at some point?  Normal is about hot enough so that you
can't keep your finger on the metal behind each device more than five
seconds or so without pain.

Kannan S wrote:
> 
> My BX 300 power supply ( Using opamp and power transistor based dual
> power supply +_ 12 V
> heating up - the regulating power transistors is quite hot and I suspect
> Oscillation. Any suggestion which component is the cause - is Opamp 4558
> the cause ? I do not have the service manual
> - all circuits perform including recording properly. I changed the power
> transistor and found no cure - I keep the chassis open and added
> additional heatsink to keep the transistor cool. I found no noise or any
> other problem except when play with tape ( or record with the tape)
> causes more current to flow thru the Circuit and more heating up. Input
> to the regulator is + 17 volts on the positive side and -21 on the
> negative side . I changed the Diode bridge but seems positive side is
> having more drop thru the Diode bridge while Transformer supplies equal
> voltage about 16 -17 V AC to this circuit Output is +11.86 / -11.8 or so
> showing regulation is OK
> Can anybody faced similar problems? Any suggestions
> Kannan  (Bangalore - India)
> email      kannan_s at vsnl.com
> 
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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Tue Jan  4 15:01:20 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan S)
Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 19:31:20 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] BX 300 Power supply
References: <3871AAFA.14475BAA@giasbg01.vsnl.net.in> <3871B17B.EA9E7A4F@emall-online.com>
Message-ID: <3871FD2F.42DAC9F3@giasbg01.vsnl.net.in>

Dear Stephen
Thanks a lot and let me try few more trials and get back on this. However if you can send
me the scanned copy of power supply portion it would be helpful. Actually the power
supply rail + side goes up to 21 V on switch on or stop mode but goes down as the motors
take up load ( both reel take up as well as Capstan drive - checked by voltage drop
across the resistors bfore supply circuit. The voltage after diode bridge itself drops
and diode bridge positive side gets hot. Using an anolog mutimeter across DC side after
main Electrolyte shows AC voltage - this method I have tried for my Linselyhood cassette
deck( wireless world 1976 Circuit !) bias Oscillator checking - so I suspect Oscillation
- which might draw current across the transistor. ( Oscillation can be due to bad carbon
resistors or leaky Powersupply bypass caps. )

When the deck is in stop mode or fast forward / reverse mode - heat is less, but play /
record with cassette tape loaded causes both motor current to increase and the
transistors as well as diode bridge to heatup - the heat reaches ( if the cover is
closed) to near burning level but the deck works for hours with some extra Aluminium
plate heatsink!. However I suspect this would cause damage to power transistors in the
long run if Oscillation is present. So I use the deck with cover removed or my other CR3
Deck instead - We all tend to have two or more Naks ! But your statement that the
heatsink runs hot normally in BX300 is quite soothing but CR3 heatsink is not that hot -
it uses 7812/ 7912 Voltage regulators and supply side is around 21 Volts or so.

Let me try to replace the main Electrolytic capacitor or try every electrolytics during
this week end.
Kannan

Stephen Sank wrote:

> This is not a problem I have specifically seen before, so I can only
> make an educated guess.  I would first suspect a leaky electrolytic
> capacitor on probably the +12v line, but there are likely to be more
> than a few such caps on the line, so one would have to disconnect each
> in turn to see you can get the input voltage of the regulator circuit to
> come up to 21v.  I am at home & don't have the schematic in front of me,
> so I can't be more helpful at the moment, but if you will email me
> during US daylight hours, I can refer to it for my next reply, as well
> as scan the diagram & email it if I have time.  Just one question:  The
> regulators do normally run pretty close to darn hot.  Had you noticed an
> increase in heat at some point?  Normal is about hot enough so that you
> can't keep your finger on the metal behind each device more than five
> seconds or so without pain.
>
> Kannan S wrote:
> >
> > My BX 300 power supply ( Using opamp and power transistor based dual
> > power supply +_ 12 V
> > heating up - the regulating power transistors is quite hot and I suspect
> > Oscillation. Any suggestion which component is the cause - is Opamp 4558
> > the cause ? I do not have the service manual
> > - all circuits perform including recording properly. I changed the power
> > transistor and found no cure - I keep the chassis open and added
> > additional heatsink to keep the transistor cool. I found no noise or any
> > other problem except when play with tape ( or record with the tape)
> > causes more current to flow thru the Circuit and more heating up. Input
> > to the regulator is + 17 volts on the positive side and -21 on the
> > negative side . I changed the Diode bridge but seems positive side is
> > having more drop thru the Diode bridge while Transformer supplies equal
> > voltage about 16 -17 V AC to this circuit Output is +11.86 / -11.8 or so
> > showing regulation is OK
> > Can anybody faced similar problems? Any suggestions
> > Kannan  (Bangalore - India)
> > email      kannan_s at vsnl.com
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From LDEVOE at mail.mcg.edu  Tue Jan  4 15:09:12 2000
From: LDEVOE at mail.mcg.edu (Lawrence Devoe)
Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 09:09:12 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Re: DeMagging Methodologies...
Message-ID: <s871b8ea.029@mail.mcg.edu>

I use the demagnetizing cassette by Interclean (who also make proprietary cleaning cassettes).  I am not sure these are still available but they are reliable and work. 

>>> "The BlueSwapper" <blueswapper at angelfire.com> 01/01/00 11:55AM >>>
Holiday Greetings!

I finally have a DM-10 in my hands, and I'm looking at the single sheet instructions in the package from Nakamichi - Kind of a bringdown reading the 5 step process to demag record/playback heads.  I'm wondering if its appropriate to use the unit to demag other metallic parts in the cassette transport system?  Anything one should not demag??  

What procedure do you other NakTalkers follow when you whip out your magic wands to demag your treasured Nak decks??

Kenny Parsons
Madison, WI  USA

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On Sun, 19 Dec 1999 19:54:47   The BlueSwapper wrote:
>Greetings!
>
>Let's have a discussion on demagging (demagnetzing) the tape transport mechanisms on Nak decks. I'm about to get a used DM-10 (in my xmas stocking over the fireplace), and I'd like to know the inside scoop on what should/shouldn't be demagged on my little black beauties.  In the past, I've used those TDK and DiscWasher brand demag cassettes, with reasonable results - Mercy dear purists, I've seen the light now! <gr>.  Kindly, would the experts out in NakTalk land share their insights with us up-and-coming users. 
>
>Thanks!!!
>
>Mr Blues
>
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From blueswapper at angelfire.com  Tue Jan  4 20:17:30 2000
From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper)
Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 11:17:30 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] RE; Demagging, continued......
Message-ID: <KCLOOFEEDIIDFAAA@angelfire.com>

Followup comments..........


>
>Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 07:30:16 -0800 (PST)
>From: Ron <ronami at yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Demagging Methodologies
>
>I suppose I should be ashamed to admit it, but
>I still have the demagnetizer I bought at radio
>Shack a good 25 years ago. It looks very much
>like BlueSwapper's DM-10.
>
>I only mention this, because I am puzzled a bit
>by Nakamichi's instructions. Seems to me, steps
>1 and 2 should be reversed (meaning, the
>demagnetizer should be turned on first, then
>brought closer to the head), unless the DM-10
>incorporates some means for slowing down the
>magnetic field buildup, which I kinda doubt.
>(I know mine doesn't.)

Exactly what my first reaction was after reading the Nak instructions!  That didn't read correctly to me, "touching the wand probe to a head, then turning the wand on...".  
Dangerous!!!

>
>Without such slow down, there is a chance the
>head will receive a healthy jolt of a
>unidirectional magnetic field as the
>demagnetizer is switched on. This will
>*magnetize* the head. It's true that it will
>then be demagnetized, but I still do not see
>the point of doing things in the order
>recommended by Nakamichi.

Seems to be a matter of technique, but it may to be a blunderous mis-print.  You would think that the astute Nak engineers would clearly state that one should turn-off/un-plug a Nak deck before doing any demagging.  This perplexes me, as does the simplified instructions to demagnetize $1,000+ cassette decks!  Bizarre oversight by Nakamichi, in my opinion.....


>
>Another minor point -- I do demagnetize all
>metal parts around the tape path. Probably,
>an overkill (why would anything except the
>play head become magnetized in the first
>place?), but doing it takes less time than
>justifying it...
>
>- -- Ron
>
>
>- --- The BlueSwapper <blueswapper at angelfire.com> wrote:
>> Thanks to you all for the advice!  This is exactly the
>> information that needs to be more clearly understood,
>> compiled, and documented for user reference.  
>> 
>> Why do I doubt the basic Nak instructions? Simply because
>> they lack any detailed guidance on how to wield the
>> hand-held wand, what you should and should not be doing
>> with the unit. If you were looking at that little 12 x 18
>> cm paper sheet, you'd most likely be asking your peers
>> for advice also!   As Rudy suggests, I will post the
>> official Nakamichi instructions for using the DM-10 Head
>> Demagnetizer.  Here they are (all 85 words worth):
>> 
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> 
>> HOW TO USE THIS DEMAGNETIZER
>> 
>> The record and playback heads become gradually magnetized
>> with use and tend to add noise to reporduced sound.  It
>> is, therefore, advisable to demagnetize the heads from
>> time to time.
>> 
>> 1) Put the tip of the demagnetizer on the spot where a
>> running tape makes contact.
>> 
>> 2) Turn the power switch of the demagnetizer on.
>> 
>> 3) Move the tip slowly upward as shown by an arrow mark.
>> 
>> 4) Take back the tip from a head slowly.
>> 
>> 5) Turn the switch off after the tip is completely apart
>> from the head.
>> 
>> Nakamichi Corporation
>> Research Development & Manufacturing
>> Copyright 1985
>> 
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> 
>> If you want to view the step-by-step diagrams that
>> correspond to these instructions, have a peek at my Nak
>> gear informational webpage:
>> 
>> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/demag.html
>> 
>> I will also aggregate and post some of the advice you
>> fellows have offered, for others to benefit from in the
>> future.  I'll contact you directly about that soon.  
>> 
>> Thanks again!
>> 
>> Kenny Parsons
>> Madison, WI  USA
>> 
>> ---
>> Help keep the blues alive!  Got Some???
>> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper
>> 
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
>End of naktalk-digest V1 #127
>*****************************
>
>


Well, I believe that there should be a demag FAQ page created that identifies some of the intricacies of demagnetizing cassette decks.  I'm going to attempt to do that sometime soon.

KJP

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From blueswapper at angelfire.com  Tue Jan  4 20:17:30 2000
From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper)
Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 11:17:30 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] RE; Demagging, continued......
Message-ID: <KCLOOFEEDIIDFAAA@angelfire.com>

Followup comments..........


>
>Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 07:30:16 -0800 (PST)
>From: Ron <ronami at yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Demagging Methodologies
>
>I suppose I should be ashamed to admit it, but
>I still have the demagnetizer I bought at radio
>Shack a good 25 years ago. It looks very much
>like BlueSwapper's DM-10.
>
>I only mention this, because I am puzzled a bit
>by Nakamichi's instructions. Seems to me, steps
>1 and 2 should be reversed (meaning, the
>demagnetizer should be turned on first, then
>brought closer to the head), unless the DM-10
>incorporates some means for slowing down the
>magnetic field buildup, which I kinda doubt.
>(I know mine doesn't.)

Exactly what my first reaction was after reading the Nak instructions!  That didn't read correctly to me, "touching the wand probe to a head, then turning the wand on...".  
Dangerous!!!

>
>Without such slow down, there is a chance the
>head will receive a healthy jolt of a
>unidirectional magnetic field as the
>demagnetizer is switched on. This will
>*magnetize* the head. It's true that it will
>then be demagnetized, but I still do not see
>the point of doing things in the order
>recommended by Nakamichi.

Seems to be a matter of technique, but it may to be a blunderous mis-print.  You would think that the astute Nak engineers would clearly state that one should turn-off/un-plug a Nak deck before doing any demagging.  This perplexes me, as does the simplified instructions to demagnetize $1,000+ cassette decks!  Bizarre oversight by Nakamichi, in my opinion.....


>
>Another minor point -- I do demagnetize all
>metal parts around the tape path. Probably,
>an overkill (why would anything except the
>play head become magnetized in the first
>place?), but doing it takes less time than
>justifying it...
>
>- -- Ron
>
>
>- --- The BlueSwapper <blueswapper at angelfire.com> wrote:
>> Thanks to you all for the advice!  This is exactly the
>> information that needs to be more clearly understood,
>> compiled, and documented for user reference.  
>> 
>> Why do I doubt the basic Nak instructions? Simply because
>> they lack any detailed guidance on how to wield the
>> hand-held wand, what you should and should not be doing
>> with the unit. If you were looking at that little 12 x 18
>> cm paper sheet, you'd most likely be asking your peers
>> for advice also!   As Rudy suggests, I will post the
>> official Nakamichi instructions for using the DM-10 Head
>> Demagnetizer.  Here they are (all 85 words worth):
>> 
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> 
>> HOW TO USE THIS DEMAGNETIZER
>> 
>> The record and playback heads become gradually magnetized
>> with use and tend to add noise to reporduced sound.  It
>> is, therefore, advisable to demagnetize the heads from
>> time to time.
>> 
>> 1) Put the tip of the demagnetizer on the spot where a
>> running tape makes contact.
>> 
>> 2) Turn the power switch of the demagnetizer on.
>> 
>> 3) Move the tip slowly upward as shown by an arrow mark.
>> 
>> 4) Take back the tip from a head slowly.
>> 
>> 5) Turn the switch off after the tip is completely apart
>> from the head.
>> 
>> Nakamichi Corporation
>> Research Development & Manufacturing
>> Copyright 1985
>> 
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> 
>> If you want to view the step-by-step diagrams that
>> correspond to these instructions, have a peek at my Nak
>> gear informational webpage:
>> 
>> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/demag.html
>> 
>> I will also aggregate and post some of the advice you
>> fellows have offered, for others to benefit from in the
>> future.  I'll contact you directly about that soon.  
>> 
>> Thanks again!
>> 
>> Kenny Parsons
>> Madison, WI  USA
>> 
>> ---
>> Help keep the blues alive!  Got Some???
>> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper
>> 
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
>End of naktalk-digest V1 #127
>*****************************
>
>


Well, I believe that there should be a demag FAQ page created that identifies some of the intricacies of demagnetizing cassette decks.  I'm going to attempt to do that sometime soon.

KJP

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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Tue Jan  4 20:51:16 2000
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 20:51:16 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Manuals, Blue book and FTP
Message-ID: <38724F34.53420D0@xs4all.nl>

Hi Everyone,

Let's start by wishing you all a Nakky 2000!

It's been some time since I asked members of the list so I'll give it a
try so any new members may be able to help.

The naks.com site has a FTP server with some (service) documentation in
PDF format for those who don't know the URL of thist:
    ftp://ftp.naks.com/pub/manuals/

If you can help contributing to this collection please let me know. Any
scanned service manual, brochure, price list or other rare Nak documents
where people pay rediculous prices for these days on ebay is welcome!
I'm also seeking for pricing and production years information for the TD
series. Official Nak price lists or a copy of the Orion Blue book
(mobile or car edition, don't know the exact name) are also welcome.

Thanks for the help,

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From ronami at yahoo.com  Tue Jan  4 21:24:48 2000
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 12:24:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Manuals, Blue book and FTP
Message-ID: <20000104202448.25859.qmail@web111.yahoomail.com>


--- Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl> wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
> 
> Let's start by wishing you all a Nakky 2000!
> 
> It's been some time since I asked members of the
> list so I'll give it a try so any new members may
> be able to help.
> 
> The naks.com site has a FTP server with some
> (service) documentation in PDF format for those
> who don't know the URL of this:
>     ftp://ftp.naks.com/pub/manuals/
> 
> If you can help contributing to this collection
> please let me know. Any scanned service manual,
> brochure, price list or other rare Nak documents
> where people pay rediculous prices for these days
> on ebay is welcome!
> [...]

I have the service manual for the 700 (my 1st
Nakamichi deck), schematic for the 582 (my 2nd)
and a copy of the service manual for the CR7a
(my 3rd/current/last-cassette-deck-ever).

The service manuals are bulky, with far too
many schmatic and circuit layout foldout
pages -- impractical for me to scan. However,
I am quite willing to look them up and supply
info to others, or maybe even to scan a page
or two.

-- Ron

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From captain at bestweb.net  Tue Jan  4 21:18:37 2000
From: captain at bestweb.net (Tom Bergman)
Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 20:18:37 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] RE; Demagging, continued......
References: <KCLOOFEEDIIDFAAA@angelfire.com>
Message-ID: <3872559D.7DB9@bestweb.net>

Nakfans,
     I've been using the battery-powered TDK HD-11 demagnetizer for over
fifteen years.  I'm not sure if it's still being manufactured, but it's
definitely worth looking for, either used OR new.  It's ease of use is
what I really love about it:  You push the on/off switch and a red LED
lights up.  Then, a few seconds later, a green LED right next to it
lights up, letting you know the unit is charged up and ready to use. 
You place the plastic-covered yoke against the object to be demagnetized
and push a button that fires the baby up.  DONE.  It's that simple.  You
wait a few seconds for the unit to power up again:  When the green LED
relights, your'e ready to move to the next head, capstan, etc.  I demag
everything--heads AND metal parts.  I feel it's wise to demag anything
in the transport chamber capable of being magnetized.  Better safe than
sorry...

                                 Tom
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From enoyes at snet.net  Wed Jan  5 06:37:16 2000
From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes)
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 00:37:16 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] RE; Demagging, continued......
References: <KCLOOFEEDIIDFAAA@angelfire.com> <3872559D.7DB9@bestweb.net>
Message-ID: <3872D88A.AF93B007@snet.net>

The only thing to be aware of with this demagnetizer is that it is unable to come into
contact with the heads of any of the Nak decks that incorporate the pressure pad
lifter as the lifter itself prevents proper operation. This does make it impossible to
fully demag the heads with this otherwise excellent demagnetizing cassette.

Regards,
Ed

Tom Bergman wrote:

> Nakfans,
>      I've been using the battery-powered TDK HD-11 demagnetizer for over
> fifteen years.  I'm not sure if it's still being manufactured, but it's
> definitely worth looking for, either used OR new.  It's ease of use is
> what I really love about it:  You push the on/off switch and a red LED
> lights up.  Then, a few seconds later, a green LED right next to it
> lights up, letting you know the unit is charged up and ready to use.
> You place the plastic-covered yoke against the object to be demagnetized
> and push a button that fires the baby up.  DONE.  It's that simple.  You
> wait a few seconds for the unit to power up again:  When the green LED
> relights, your'e ready to move to the next head, capstan, etc.  I demag
> everything--heads AND metal parts.  I feel it's wise to demag anything
> in the transport chamber capable of being magnetized.  Better safe than
> sorry...
>
>                                  Tom
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From captain at bestweb.net  Wed Jan  5 07:56:42 2000
From: captain at bestweb.net (Tom Bergman)
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 06:56:42 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] RE; Demagging, continued......
References: <KCLOOFEEDIIDFAAA@angelfire.com> <3872559D.7DB9@bestweb.net> <3872D88A.AF93B007@snet.net>
Message-ID: <3872EB29.1CC3@bestweb.net>

Not true, Ed.  The HD-11 is a HAND-HELD unit, not a demagging cassette.
You can use it anywhere.  You're right about the TDK (and other brands
of) demagnetizing CASSETTE, however.  The pressure pad lifter will NOT
allow its use.  Only the newer, post 1985 two-head units WITHOUT the
lifter can handle demag cassettes.

                                  Tom
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From enoyes at snet.net  Thu Jan  6 04:20:29 2000
From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes)
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 22:20:29 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] RE; Demagging, continued......
References: <KCLOOFEEDIIDFAAA@angelfire.com> <3872559D.7DB9@bestweb.net> <3872D88A.AF93B007@snet.net> <3872EB29.1CC3@bestweb.net>
Message-ID: <387409FC.1D8F942@snet.net>

My apologies... for some reason I thought you were referring to the cassette type
unit.

Ed

Tom Bergman wrote:

> Not true, Ed.  The HD-11 is a HAND-HELD unit, not a demagging cassette.
> You can use it anywhere.  You're right about the TDK (and other brands
> of) demagnetizing CASSETTE, however.  The pressure pad lifter will NOT
> allow its use.  Only the newer, post 1985 two-head units WITHOUT the
> lifter can handle demag cassettes.
>
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Thu Jan  6 18:18:39 2000
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 18:18:39 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] New manual
Message-ID: <3874CE6F.935D20A5@xs4all.nl>


I've added the HighComII owners manual to the FTP server, thanks to
Thomas Siomopoulos for submitting it!

ftp://ftp.naks.com/pub/manuals/international/

Wouter

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From RCD12948 at aol.com  Thu Jan  6 19:50:11 2000
From: RCD12948 at aol.com (RCD12948 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 13:50:11 EST
Subject: [naktalk] RE; Demagging, continued......
Message-ID: <64.64e669c3.25a63de3@aol.com>

Anybody have any experience with the DiscWasher demagnetizer? I've used one 
for
years with good results on various decks.
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From captain at bestweb.net  Thu Jan  6 19:51:01 2000
From: captain at bestweb.net (Tom Bergman)
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 18:51:01 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] RE; Demagging, continued......
References: <64.64e669c3.25a63de3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <3874E415.3EEE@bestweb.net>

I've heard good things about the Discwasher demagnetizer, but have never
seen one in stores.  Is it still available?

                                   Tom
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From PLS-SES at worldnet.att.net  Fri Jan  7 02:01:08 2000
From: PLS-SES at worldnet.att.net (PERI SNARR)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 20:01:08 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] RE; Demagging, continued......
Message-ID: <003e01bf58aa$b27722e0$fd6b4c0c@default>

Tom,

I have two of the Discwasher Demagnatizers. They do a decent job, but
nothing beats a good hand held unit. The thing they are really great for is
car decks and the fact that they demag the capstans as well as the heads. I
have always wondered just how good a job they do and if there is anything
they leave behind?

Steve Snarr
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Bergman <captain at bestweb.net>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Thursday, January 06, 2000 7:01 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE; Demagging, continued......


>I've heard good things about the Discwasher demagnetizer, but have never
>seen one in stores.  Is it still available?
>
>                                   Tom
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From PLS-SES at worldnet.att.net  Fri Jan  7 02:06:58 2000
From: PLS-SES at worldnet.att.net (PERI SNARR)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 20:06:58 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] RE; Demagging, continued......
Message-ID: <004501bf58ab$81fda980$fd6b4c0c@default>

Hi Tom,

Steve again. I forgot about your original question. If you contact
Discwasher, they will probably let you know if they are still available.
Here is their address:

1407 N. Providence Rd.
P.O. Box 6021
Columbia, MO.
65205

Let me know what you find out.
Steve
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From: Tom Bergman <captain at bestweb.net>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Thursday, January 06, 2000 7:01 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE; Demagging, continued......


>I've heard good things about the Discwasher demagnetizer, but have never
>seen one in stores.  Is it still available?
>
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From strat666 at nettaxi.com  Sun Oct  1 03:09:53 2000
From: strat666 at nettaxi.com (Jason Antony)
Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 11:09:53 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette shells
References: <be.9e38e2f.2704159f@aol.com> <39D348E8.D54E2D2A@concentric.net>
Message-ID: <39D68EE1.DBE9C84A@nettaxi.com>



Ron wrote:

> In others, the housing went bad with time -- the slip
> sheets got rough or the shell distorted and the tape
> got stuck inside the shell. These, I repaired by
> breaking them open and transferring the tape to a high
> quality shell (I happen to have several TDK C-60 tapes
> from 20 years ago, that use quality shells, held
> together with 5 screws).

Hi Ron

My general-quality favourites used to be the TDK A [black shell] and D cassettes of the
early '90s [transparent, with full-size liners and five screws].

Is it just me or has anyone else noticed how the quality of tape housings has
deteriorated in general?

Cheers
Jason

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From raah at concentric.net  Sun Oct  1 04:03:31 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 22:03:31 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette shells
References: <be.9e38e2f.2704159f@aol.com> <39D348E8.D54E2D2A@concentric.net> <39D68EE1.DBE9C84A@nettaxi.com>
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Jason Antony wrote:
> 
> Ron wrote:
> 
> > In others, the housing went bad with time -- the slip
> > sheets got rough or the shell distorted and the tape
> > got stuck inside the shell. These, I repaired by
> > breaking them open and transferring the tape to a high
> > quality shell (I happen to have several TDK C-60 tapes
> > from 20 years ago, that use quality shells, held
> > together with 5 screws).
> 
> Hi Ron
> 
> My general-quality favourites used to be the TDK A [black
> shell] and D cassettes of the early '90s [transparent,
> with full-size liners and five screws].

The cassettes I have are marked UUD71. Gray plastic shell,
full size slip sheets and 5 screws. These were rejects from
shipments of bulk cassettes used in a Holter system, dating
from the late 70s. I discard the tape but use the shells.

> Is it just me or has anyone else noticed how the quality
> of tape housings has deteriorated in general?

You can say that again... I was quite surprised at the low
quality of Philips prerecorded cassettes. Cheap slip sheets,
cheap shells, only brand where I couldn't transfer labels
without damaging them.

For blanks I use mainly Maxell XL-II-90 and DTK SA-100. I
find their quality to still be quite good.

-- Ron


> 
> Cheers
> Jason
>
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From DJBrown96 at aol.com  Sun Oct  1 04:11:21 2000
From: DJBrown96 at aol.com (DJBrown96 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 22:11:21 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] Re:Metal Recording Tapes
Message-ID: <20.c1871cb.2707f749@aol.com>

 With all of the conversation lately about metal recording tapes, I was 
wondering if anyone has had any experience with Fuji ZX. I just returned from 
our local Tower Records, where they were having a sale on them. The only 
tapes that I have used are TDK-SA, and Maxell, and I was wondering in the 
Fuji ZX is worth a try.
                                                                              
     Thanks, Dennis
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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Sun Oct  1 07:20:27 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan S)
Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 10:50:27 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette shells
References: <be.9e38e2f.2704159f@aol.com> <39D348E8.D54E2D2A@concentric.net> <39D68EE1.DBE9C84A@nettaxi.com>
Message-ID: <39D6C99B.C3B8C34D@giasbg01.vsnl.net.in>

Jason how right you are. TDK MA metal at present comes with welded shells and no screws!
The shell itself looks terrible - outside finish. I do not know whether anybody else
noticed this. I find TDK normal D ver is even now pretty good.
I ahd to break the metal TDK MA tape to take out the tape which got entangled inside -
which never happened any of my off the shelf blanks of reputed manufacturers earlier.
Imagine my horror when I travelled 15 miles in my scooter to visit a guy having a Dragon to
record this tape and when I tried this happened! These tapes were sent from US by my
brother.
Kannan

Jason Antony wrote:

> Ron wrote:
>
> > In others, the housing went bad with time -- the slip
> > sheets got rough or the shell distorted and the tape
> > got stuck inside the shell. These, I repaired by
> > breaking them open and transferring the tape to a high
> > quality shell (I happen to have several TDK C-60 tapes
> > from 20 years ago, that use quality shells, held
> > together with 5 screws).
>
> Hi Ron
>
> My general-quality favourites used to be the TDK A [black shell] and D cassettes of the
> early '90s [transparent, with full-size liners and five screws].
>
> Is it just me or has anyone else noticed how the quality of tape housings has
> deteriorated in general?
>
> Cheers
> Jason
>
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From blueswapper at angelfire.com  Sun Oct  1 12:04:59 2000
From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper)
Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 03:04:59 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nak Recordings (on non-Nak Decks)
Message-ID: <OFADMMKKBHNCFAAA@angelfire.com>

Greetings....

I've been catching up on reading NakTalk digests this morning, and I tend to agree with Stephen Sank about the imaginary differences some people experience playing Nak recorded music on non-Nak decks.  

I possess three classic Marantz 5420 decks, and before owning a Nak RX-202 during the late 1980s, these Marantz decks were my mainstay cassette recorders/players.  I've been also using my RX-505 for quite some time.  Never an incompatibility between my Marantz and Nakamichi decks during those years.  I feel very comfortable recording vinyl to my Marantz decks, and then transfering that music for playback on my Nak decks, even duplicating a Marantz deck recording from Nak to Nak or converting analogue to digital(using the Nak deck as a source to record to an audio compact disc recorder).  

Now, being a music collector, I've been swapping (that is, exchanging with other collectors) analogue cassette music for more than fifteen years.  I would estimate that I've corresponded and swapped music with 500 or so other music enthusiasts.  When sending Nak recorded cassettes (I've always offered a choise to my music friends), I have only received a scarce few responses from perplexed collectors who noticed differences in audio clarity.  What I usually suggested was that they clean and demagg their decks, or ultimately that they consider having their decks tuned-up.  I've dealt with enough people who simply have different expectations of what good sounding music should be, let alone exemplary sounding (ie: Nak recorded) music.  Too many people just run their decks into the ground, and along the way, they suffer from performance degradation from the usual problems that develop when neglect to the basic mechanisms that transport cassette music to output.

Attention my fellow NakTalkers, when was the last time you cleaned and demagged your decks?  How about routine tune-ups??  Consider how often you have your autos into the dealership, for preventative maintenance purposes.  Nakamichi decks are superb, and deserve to be treated as investments that perform as they are intended! Alas, even some Nakamichi owners rely on the reputation of Nakamichi gear to convince themselves that they have superior sound reproduction.  Perhaps even some NakTalkers would benefit from evaluating the condition of their prized possessions, and make efforts to enhance performance potential through basic maintenance activities. 

Enough on my personal viewpoints, its good to return to the membership, after lurking for two weeks from Europe while on vacation.....

Blues

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~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 00:37:15 -0600
From: "Stephen Sank" <stephen_sank at rjknet.net>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: NAK recordings on non-nak decks

Not for anything, but, this is a load of dingo's kidneys.  Mark Nutter knows not what he is talking about.  In my VAST experience playing Nak-recorded music tapes on every kind of deck to total garbage, I have never heard this supposed compatibility problem.

Once I've done the speed & azimuth adjustments, every deck has played every tape perfectly fine, within the limitations of that decks abilities to sound good.  Not once have I ever had either audible nor measurable incompatibilities.  Until someone provides me physical evidence to the contrary, I refuse to accept that nonsense.

~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

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From jmtooley at ce.net  Sun Oct  1 22:31:39 2000
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:31:39 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 600 Mk.II
References: <026201c0290d$f635ab80$7293bccf@sank1> <39D53DD1.B87BBFE7@com2com.ru>
Message-ID: <003a01c02be6$9ab48c50$bd496acf@johny1uboqh2n1>

If you call and ask nicely at Nakamichi they will send you a copy of an
owners manual, free.  I'm not sure about a service maual.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nick" <nikkki at com2com.ru>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 9:11 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 600 Mk.II


> Dear Naktalkers!
>
> I have just purchased Nak 600 Mk.II in a very good condition (at least
externally).
> Anyway, taking into account the age of the machine, I would like to
proceed with it's
> tune-up. Unfortunately, I do not have any documents on this deck. On the
Wouter's
> ftp-site they are not to find either. Does anybody know, where I can get a
few most
> important [for the calibartion] pages off them? I understand that scanning
and
> converting to *.pdf form the whole papers is quite time and powers
consuming task, so I
> do no expect to get even 1/4 of the total... But maybe someone sees a
possibily of
> providing me with 1 page (with the technical data) off the Owner's Manual
and 2-3 pages
> (containing calibration procedures) off the Service Manual for this
recorder? Any help,
> warnings or general advices on this deck are greatly appreciated.
>
> Nick
>
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From strat666 at nettaxi.com  Mon Oct  2 07:36:32 2000
From: strat666 at nettaxi.com (Jason Antony)
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 15:36:32 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Fuji ZX and ZX-II/Metal Recording Tapes
References: <20.c1871cb.2707f749@aol.com>
Message-ID: <39D81EE0.680C9C6C@nettaxi.com>



DJBrown96 at aol.com wrote:

>  With all of the conversation lately about metal recording tapes, I was
> wondering if anyone has had any experience with Fuji ZX. I just returned from
> our local Tower Records, where they were having a sale on them. The only
> tapes that I have used are TDK-SA, and Maxell, and I was wondering in the
> Fuji ZX is worth a try.

Hi Dennis

I have been using Fuji's ZX and ZX-II tapes here in Australia, and both deliver
impeccable quality. The ZX-II is a bright tape, comes in a black shell and an
interesting black slimline case. It also has a higher MOL in the high frequencies. A
big grouch is that the shell is sealed, not screwed together.

The ZX is overall more smoother-sounding. I like the fact that the shell has five
screws. Also, IIRC I believe it is manufactured in Korea, while the ZX-II is made in
Japan. I prefer tapes made in Nippon, altho the other countries have been catching up,
especially Korea. There are no worthwhile shortcomings, quality-wise, in the ZX.

Cheers
Jason

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From strat666 at nettaxi.com  Mon Oct  2 08:15:56 2000
From: strat666 at nettaxi.com (Jason Antony)
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 16:15:56 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette shells
References: <be.9e38e2f.2704159f@aol.com> <39D348E8.D54E2D2A@concentric.net> <39D68EE1.DBE9C84A@nettaxi.com> <39D6C99B.C3B8C34D@giasbg01.vsnl.net.in>
Message-ID: <39D8281C.86FE59E0@nettaxi.com>



Kannan S wrote:

> Jason how right you are. TDK MA metal at present comes with welded shells and no screws!
> The shell itself looks terrible - outside finish. I do not know whether anybody else
> noticed this. I find TDK normal D ver is even now pretty good.
> I ahd to break the metal TDK MA tape to take out the tape which got entangled inside -
> which never happened any of my off the shelf blanks of reputed manufacturers earlier.
> Imagine my horror when I travelled 15 miles in my scooter to visit a guy having a Dragon to
> record this tape and when I tried this happened! These tapes were sent from US by my
> brother.
> Kannan

Oh yuck! Have TDK started cutting costs by getting rid of the screws? Shame on them, especially
on such a high-end tape.

I spent a major part of my childhood - and adolesence - dissassembling all varities of
cassettes, examining their mechanics and how they fitted together, and then putting them all
back. It was partly an exercise of necessity as I had a lousy mono tape player that loved
eating tapes up randomly, and I had to salvage what I could and glue the remnants back
together. Needless to say, I got a semi-decent unit soon.

I prefer tapes that have five screws, and full-size slip sheets [not like today's Sonys and
TDKs, which are tiny]. Also, on the best shells, the screws come out and go in easily, smooth
as butter, without any hitches. Oh, the pleasure! : )

I brought a few of those with me to Australia, for that sole [soul?] reason.

Anyway cheers for now!
Jason




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From strat666 at nettaxi.com  Mon Oct  2 08:22:06 2000
From: strat666 at nettaxi.com (Jason Antony)
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 16:22:06 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette shells
References: <be.9e38e2f.2704159f@aol.com> <39D348E8.D54E2D2A@concentric.net> <39D68EE1.DBE9C84A@nettaxi.com> <39D69B73.6AD8609A@concentric.net>
Message-ID: <39D8298E.9DAB3F4E@nettaxi.com>



Ron wrote:

> You can say that again... I was quite surprised at the low
> quality of Philips prerecorded cassettes. Cheap slip sheets,
> cheap shells, only brand where I couldn't transfer labels
> without damaging them.

Yes, Philips has been quite dodgy in this area. Their tape ribbon appears to be rather
strong, and not flimsy.

Another horror story is Agfa. Enuff said : )



> For blanks I use mainly Maxell XL-II-90 and DTK SA-100. I
> find their quality to still be quite good.

Maxell's UR shells are among my special favs... wonder why I forgot them. However,
they're not seen in the stores anymore and have been replaced by a suspicious-looking
UE series. They are made in Indonesia and my gut feeling is to stay away from them.
>From what I could see through the plastic wrap, the build quality's gone down. No more
paper labels, but printed surfaces on the shell instead which are joyless.

Anyway I might try one of them out to give you all a more factual appraisal.

Bye
Jason


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From cvshanson at sprintmail.com  Mon Oct  2 13:13:19 2000
From: cvshanson at sprintmail.com (Vern Hanson)
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 06:13:19 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 600 Mk.II
References: <026201c0290d$f635ab80$7293bccf@sank1> <39D53DD1.B87BBFE7@com2com.ru> <003a01c02be6$9ab48c50$bd496acf@johny1uboqh2n1>
Message-ID: <39D86DCE.101C6431@sprintmail.com>

Thank you John.  I will give it a try.  I am surprised that they would have manuals
for machines as old as the 600II

Videovern

"John M. Tooley" wrote:

> If you call and ask nicely at Nakamichi they will send you a copy of an
> owners manual, free.  I'm not sure about a service maual.

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From DJBrown96 at aol.com  Mon Oct  2 20:11:15 2000
From: DJBrown96 at aol.com (DJBrown96 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 14:11:15 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] Fuji ZX and ZX-II/Metal Recording Tapes
Message-ID: <94.a341a3d.270a29c3@aol.com>

 Thanks, Mark and Jason for your insight and experience with Fuji ZX tapes. I 
think that I will give them a try. Dennis
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From marc at stager.com  Tue Oct  3 10:40:50 2000
From: marc at stager.com (Marc Stager)
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 04:40:50 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Models
In-Reply-To: <OFADMMKKBHNCFAAA@angelfire.com>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20001003044005.00be8e60@mail.flashcom.net>

Nice overview of Nak models:

http://tron.is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~kohno/nak-deck2.html

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From qspl at blr.vsnl.net.in  Tue Oct  3 13:34:04 2000
From: qspl at blr.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 17:04:04 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] RE: The 3rd best deck in the world - BX300E
Message-ID: <026a01c02d2d$ded8c3e0$42d60192@vsnl>

Somebody was looking for CR7A
here is one
http://audiogo5.iserver.net/cgi-bin/fs.pl?misccass&1&ctg&3&3&

Kannan
-----Original Message-----
From: Stan Targowski <targowski at mediaone.net>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Friday, September 29, 2000 7:16 AM
Subject: [naktalk] RE: The 3rd best deck in the world - BX300E


>Some people can be creative, here is an e-Bay advert for a BX300-E.
>http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=449915039. According
>to the seller 'E' means third best deck in the world after Dragon and CR7A
>(but not CR7).
>
>What does the 'E' suffix stand for? (like European version requiring a
>converter?) And what is he talking about re: that CR-7A is better than this
>one, but not CR-7?
>
>Stan
>
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Tue Oct  3 13:04:30 2000
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 13:04:30 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Site down
Message-ID: <39D9BD3E.CAF38C47@xs4all.nl>

Hi all!

>From Oct 20 until Oct 24 Naks.com will be down due to the company I work
for moving to another building.
I hope the site will be down for less time but this depends on the
network/firewall being available in the new building.
So write this in your agenda and/or plan a Holiday ;-)

Wouter

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From raah at concentric.net  Tue Oct  3 20:06:55 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 14:06:55 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] RE: The 3rd best deck in the world - BX300E
References: <026a01c02d2d$ded8c3e0$42d60192@vsnl>
Message-ID: <39DA203F.639F5520@concentric.net>

Kannan,

Thanks for posting the URL of this auction site.
Never saw it before and found it very interesting.

One person wants to sell a 3-1/2 year old Dragon
("The best deck ever made") that has been used
less than 50 hours over life... 

Someone else wants to sell a CR-7a (less than 100
of use, believe it or not) and wants the buyer to
pay for shipping of 40 lb.. This paragon of honesty
has more negative than positive feedback postings,
I wonder why.

I hate to be so negative, but, damn it, I'm really
pissed off... It's getting so that buying from one
of these auction sites almost guarantees a rip off...
Where have all the honest people gone?

-- Ron


"Kannan. S" wrote:
> 
> Somebody was looking for CR7A
> here is one
> http://audiogo5.iserver.net/cgi-bin/fs.pl?misccass&1&ctg&3&3&
> 
> Kannan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stan Targowski <targowski at mediaone.net>
> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> Date: Friday, September 29, 2000 7:16 AM
> Subject: [naktalk] RE: The 3rd best deck in the world - BX300E
> 
> >Some people can be creative, here is an e-Bay advert for a BX300-E.
> >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=449915039. According
> >to the seller 'E' means third best deck in the world after Dragon and CR7A
> >(but not CR7).
> >
> >What does the 'E' suffix stand for? (like European version requiring a
> >converter?) And what is he talking about re: that CR-7A is better than this
> >one, but not CR-7?
> >
> >Stan
> >
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From marc at stager.com  Tue Oct  3 20:32:54 2000
From: marc at stager.com (Marc Stager)
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 14:32:54 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Home Audio Owners Club of Japan
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20001003143126.00beda10@mail.flashcom.net>

Better yet, this is the home page of the
Nakamichi Home Audio Owners Club of Japan,

Great site, in English.

http://tron.is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~kohno/nak.html

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From cvshanson at sprintmail.com  Tue Oct  3 22:38:27 2000
From: cvshanson at sprintmail.com (Vern Hanson)
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 15:38:27 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] RE: The 3rd best deck in the world - BX300E
References: <026a01c02d2d$ded8c3e0$42d60192@vsnl> <39DA203F.639F5520@concentric.net>
Message-ID: <39DA43C1.93922C14@sprintmail.com>

Ron,

So far I've been very lucky with my purchases from e-bay lister's.  I have picked up
decent deals on a couple of 500's, a 600 II, and a couple of BX-1's.

One of the 500's sold for about $25 and was listed as not working. It turned out that
the Record/Playback switch on the circuit board was sticking and just a little
cleaning made it work perfectly.

As in most all cases you are going to find the good and the bad mixed together.  We
just have to try and sort them out as best as possible.

Regards,
Videovern

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From SBarr12393 at aol.com  Wed Oct  4 02:44:03 2000
From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:44:03 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] Re:Metal Recording Tapes
Message-ID: <7c.bba05e6.270bd753@aol.com>

Hi Dennis,

Just returning to Nak talkers so please forgive the delayed response.  I have 
used the Fuji ZX-II on many occasions and have been able to create nice 
recordings with it.  Unfortunately, my higher-end deck is in need of 
maintenance, so I haven't had the opportunity to experiment with the bias and 
calibration.  However, if given a choice I would choose the Maxell XL-II for 
it's superior shell and quality tape.  Has anyone else on this list used 
Fuji?  What was your experience?  Thanks!

-Sam
Ephesians 4:13
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From enoyes at snet.net  Wed Oct  4 06:20:05 2000
From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes)
Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 00:20:05 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] RE: The 3rd best deck in the world - BX300E
References: <026a01c02d2d$ded8c3e0$42d60192@vsnl> <39DA203F.639F5520@concentric.net>
Message-ID: <39DAAFEE.400391F2@snet.net>

The honest people are still out there... I've bought many Nakamichi's on ebay. Most
needed some kind of work, while some were in great shape, or at least very honestly
represented. All the one's I sell are perfect in all respects when they leave me
unless otherwise noted. The trick is to cut through the liars and fools as best as
possible. We all know the warning signs of someone who is clueless or a con artist...
3 1/2 year old Dragons, super-special BX-300E, etc... I've bought these kinds of decks
as well as one's that were so vaguely represented that they had all of  two lines as
the description, but it's only been at prices low enough that if it arrives and even
looks like a Nak then I've done all right. If a person seems truly knowledgeable and
has a feedback rating that supports the notion of ethical selling practices, then
you'll probably find that you're dealing with the kind of person that will provide a
good item... it may not be the bargain of the century, but you get what you pay for or
take your chances.

Ed

Ron wrote:

> Kannan,
>
> Thanks for posting the URL of this auction site.
> Never saw it before and found it very interesting.
>
> One person wants to sell a 3-1/2 year old Dragon
> ("The best deck ever made") that has been used
> less than 50 hours over life...
>
> Someone else wants to sell a CR-7a (less than 100
> of use, believe it or not) and wants the buyer to
> pay for shipping of 40 lb.. This paragon of honesty
> has more negative than positive feedback postings,
> I wonder why.
>
> I hate to be so negative, but, damn it, I'm really
> pissed off... It's getting so that buying from one
> of these auction sites almost guarantees a rip off...
> Where have all the honest people gone?
>
> -- Ron
>
> "Kannan. S" wrote:
> >
> > Somebody was looking for CR7A
> > here is one
> > http://audiogo5.iserver.net/cgi-bin/fs.pl?misccass&1&ctg&3&3&
> >
> > Kannan
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Stan Targowski <targowski at mediaone.net>
> > To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Date: Friday, September 29, 2000 7:16 AM
> > Subject: [naktalk] RE: The 3rd best deck in the world - BX300E
> >
> > >Some people can be creative, here is an e-Bay advert for a BX300-E.
> > >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=449915039. According
> > >to the seller 'E' means third best deck in the world after Dragon and CR7A
> > >(but not CR7).
> > >
> > >What does the 'E' suffix stand for? (like European version requiring a
> > >converter?) And what is he talking about re: that CR-7A is better than this
> > >one, but not CR-7?
> > >
> > >Stan
> > >
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From marc at stager.com  Wed Oct  4 07:40:18 2000
From: marc at stager.com (Marc Stager)
Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 01:40:18 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] RE: The 3rd best deck in the world - BX300E
In-Reply-To: <39DAAFEE.400391F2@snet.net>
References: <026a01c02d2d$ded8c3e0$42d60192@vsnl>
 <39DA203F.639F5520@concentric.net>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20001004012516.00bd0590@mail.flashcom.net>

I recently bought one, works beautifully, and I didn't even pay
shipping. Its owner, from Staten Island, drove into Manhattan
and dropped it off to me and I paid him in cash.

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=397979498

I couldn't be more pleased - and the price was a bargain.

Just check the feedback. If the description looks fishy, email the
seller. Don't be tempted to get into a bidding war. The worst
sellers are the pros who hawk everything from Barbie Dolls to
disposable lighters. They're just turning around junk.

I used to buy used LP's from eBay, but I rarely got one even close
to the condition they were advertised to be.

__________________________ Marc Stager

===================================================

At 10/4/00, you wrote:
>The honest people are still out there... I've bought many Nakamichi's on 
>ebay. Most needed some kind of work, while some were in great shape, or at 
>least very honestly represented. All the one's I sell are perfect in all 
>respects when they leave me unless otherwise noted. The trick is to cut 
>through the liars and fools as best as possible. We all know the warning 
>signs of someone who is clueless or a con artist... 3 1/2 year old 
>Dragons, super-special BX-300E, etc... I've bought these kinds of decks as 
>well as one's that were so vaguely represented that they had all of  two 
>lines as the description, but it's only been at prices low enough that if 
>it arrives and even looks like a Nak then I've done all right. If a person 
>seems truly knowledgeable and has a feedback rating that supports the 
>notion of ethical selling practices, then you'll probably find that you're 
>dealing with the kind of person that will provide a good item... it may 
>not be the bargain of the century, but you get what you pay for or take 
>your chances.
>
>Ed
>
>Ron wrote:
>>Kannan,
>>
>>Thanks for posting the URL of this auction site.
>>Never saw it before and found it very interesting.
>>
>>One person wants to sell a 3-1/2 year old Dragon
>>("The best deck ever made") that has been used
>>less than 50 hours over life...
>>
>>Someone else wants to sell a CR-7a (less than 100
>>of use, believe it or not) and wants the buyer to
>>pay for shipping of 40 lb.. This paragon of honesty
>>has more negative than positive feedback postings,
>>I wonder why.
>>
>>I hate to be so negative, but, damn it, I'm really
>>pissed off... It's getting so that buying from one
>>of these auction sites almost guarantees a rip off...
>>Where have all the honest people gone?
>>
>>-- Ron

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From strat666 at nettaxi.com  Thu Oct  5 00:10:29 2000
From: strat666 at nettaxi.com (Jason Antony)
Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 17:10:29 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Errata - Fuji ZX and ZX-II/Metal Recording Tapes
References: <94.a341a3d.270a29c3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <39DBAAD5.53C83764@nettaxi.com>


Hi Dennis

I must apologise as the tapes I have used [and gave my opinion on] were Fuji's Z and
Z-II chrome tapes, NOT their metal ZX counterparts. A few hours after posting my
message, something began to bother me and I opened my cassette drawer to check and -
voila! :-\

Nonetheless the Z tapes are good performers and should give a good indication of what
to expect from the [presumably] better ZXs. My advice would be to get a sample tape
each [also the Maxell XL-II], record some music you are intimately familiar with, and
then observe the results. Watch out for any dropouts [some old Fujis I bought years ago
were notorious for this, especially toward the last two minutes of side A [and first
two mins of side B]. This is due to the imprint made by the spool clip.

Maxell fares the best in this regard owing to its unique design which doesn't damage
that area of the tape as badly. However, Fuji's shell is quite good.

Anyway, good luck and most importantly, have fun!

Cheers
Jason

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From krolw at alcor.concordia.ca  Wed Oct  4 15:19:59 2000
From: krolw at alcor.concordia.ca (Wolfgang Krol)
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 09:19:59 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Case and strap for Nak 550
Message-ID: <v03130303b600ddf6fd4a@[132.205.58.14]>

I have a Nak 550 prtable recorder and would like to know if any one out
there has a strap assembly and/or case in any condition to sell? Thanks
W.Krol<krolw at alcor.concordia.ca>

Sincerely,

W P Krol


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From raah at concentric.net  Wed Oct  4 15:56:02 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 09:56:02 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] RE: The 3rd best deck in the world - BX300E
References: <026a01c02d2d$ded8c3e0$42d60192@vsnl>
	 <39DA203F.639F5520@concentric.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20001004012516.00bd0590@mail.flashcom.net>
Message-ID: <39DB36F2.701E17CA@concentric.net>

Marc Stager wrote:
> 
> I used to buy used LP's from eBay, but I rarely got one even close
> to the condition they were advertised to be.

You can say that again... I tried that, and gave up.

The last LP I bought (Rubinstein playing Chopin's
Ballads) was described as 'near mint' with the word
'wonderful' appearing three times in the two line
description. They forgot to mention the mildew...
I was taken for $7 -- not enough to worry about, but
a reminder what the chances of an honest man are on
ebay.

-- Ron
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From kmeridet at anderson.edu  Wed Oct  4 16:50:45 2000
From: kmeridet at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth)
Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 09:50:45 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Microphone article in EQ Magazine
Message-ID: <s9dafd98.056@WORF.anderson.edu>

Hello all,

Last night I read an article in the October issue of EQ Magazine about the RCA "LBJ" Microphone.  Seems Lyndon Banes Johnson had a great dislike for the "clutter" of microphones at any podium at which he was to speak.  In any broadcast situation it is MANDATORY that there be a back-up mic, which means two microphones.  RCA had a very ingenious designer that came up with placing two complete RCA BK-6B miniature dynamic lavalier mics in a single housing that appeared to be similar to their BK-1A, which LBJ was accustomed to using.  The cable was even designed to look like the "standard" two conductor shielded (now four conductor shielded) mic cable.  The two elements, each having their dedicated shielded pair wiring, allowed the back-up mic to be in the same housing as the primary mic.  This was accomplished, during the 1964 re-election campaign, by a man named Jon R. Sank, the father of Stephen Sank.

Stephen, how was the pre-amp/mixer end of the mic cable connectorized?  Possibly two 3-pin XLRs?  Presume your expertise with ribbon mics is through your Dad's many years of designing microphones for RCA, including ribbon mics.  I believe the "fragile" reputation of ribbon mics is due to they could be damaged by someone blowing into the mic, not from physically handling the mic roughly.  Believe the mechanical suspension of the element withstood a considerable amount of shock.

Just a little microphone history/nostalgia for those of us that still record on-location using various microphones.

Help keep analog (sound) alive!

Kent Merideth

>>> wheijke at xs4all.nl 10/03/00 06:04AM >>>
Hi all!

>From Oct 20 until Oct 24 Naks.com will be down due to the company I work
for moving to another building.
I hope the site will be down for less time but this depends on the
network/firewall being available in the new building.
So write this in your agenda and/or plan a Holiday ;-)

Wouter

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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Wed Oct  4 20:22:26 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 19:22:26 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Rubinstein
In-Reply-To: <39DB36F2.701E17CA@concentric.net>
Message-ID: <000101c02e30$0c1fea60$4527883e@a4s1s2>

Ron

A Rubinstein fan?  Good man!  My VERY favourite Chopin interpreter.  Perhaps
we should compare Rubinstein record collections and see if there is room for
swapping recordings???

Graham


> The last LP I bought (Rubinstein playing Chopin's
> Ballads) was described as 'near mint' with the word
> 'wonderful' appearing three times in the two line
> description.

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From adamyh at netvigator.com  Wed Oct  4 21:57:40 2000
From: adamyh at netvigator.com (Adam Yousuf)
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 03:57:40 +0800
Subject: [naktalk] Have you guys checked out the CM-5?
Message-ID: <003801c02e3d$5c4f0860$407cc6cb@adamhomepc>

Guys,

Nakamichi USA has put up something new.. a CM-5.  Compact Model 5.  It has a 2 head Tape Deck with HX-PRO and MD.

Looks like those new Sony mini components.. check it out on http://www.nakamichi.com/

Adam

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From JaqDRipper at aol.com  Wed Oct  4 22:17:45 2000
From: JaqDRipper at aol.com (JaqDRipper at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:17:45 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] Have you guys checked out the CM-5?
Message-ID: <4e.bdd806f.270cea69@aol.com>


In a message dated 10/4/00 1:04:31 PM, adamyh at netvigator.com writes:

<< Nakamichi USA has put up something new.. a CM-5.  Compact Model 5.  It has 
a 2 head Tape Deck with HX-PRO and MD.

 >>

Also check out their new 42" Plasma flat screen tv!!! You can find it listed 
in the soundspace section of the Nak website. 

I lament the fact that Nak has now discontinued their line of separates. The 
PA-1 and CA-1 were direct desendants of the CA-7 and PA-7 but in 5-channel 
form, and will probably stand as being the last "high end" pieces the company 
ever makes. THE KING IS DEAD.

Rob
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From adamyh at netvigator.com  Wed Oct  4 22:50:51 2000
From: adamyh at netvigator.com (Adam Yousuf)
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 04:50:51 +0800
Subject: [naktalk] Have you guys checked out the CM-5?
References: <003801c02e3d$5c4f0860$407cc6cb@adamhomepc>
Message-ID: <00b601c02e44$cb3f48f0$407cc6cb@adamhomepc>

Sorry guys, it's CMS-5


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Adam Yousuf 
  To: Nak Talk 
  Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 3:57 AM
  Subject: [naktalk] Have you guys checked out the CM-5?


  Guys,

  Nakamichi USA has put up something new.. a CM-5.  Compact Model 5.  It has a 2 head Tape Deck with HX-PRO and MD.

  Looks like those new Sony mini components.. check it out on http://www.nakamichi.com/

  Adam

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From n.van.wijnen at castel.nl  Wed Oct  4 23:56:47 2000
From: n.van.wijnen at castel.nl (Norman van Wijnen)
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 23:56:47 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] new deck
Message-ID: <000a01c02e4d$feb35920$208c55c3@asuscubx>

Well Well a Nakamichi with auto reverse and Dolby HX Pro

How low can a firm go

DR-5 2-HEAD CASSETTE DECK (optional)
The DR-5 is a front-loading single-well 2-head cassette deck with a meticulously engineered auto-reverse mechanism, Dolby-B and -C NR and Dolby HX Pro to increase treble dynamic range, and most importantly, the Nakamichi heritage. Like the MD-5, the DR-5 integrates perfectly into the CMS-5 system. When used with the CD-5 CD Player, it automatically adopts the optimum recording level to transfer CDs to tape and startup is automatic! Of course, manual control of record level and bias/equalization selection for normal, high and metal tape are included too


Norman
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From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua  Thu Oct  5 01:01:35 2000
From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM)
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 01:01:35 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Have you guys checked out the CM-5?
References: <003801c02e3d$5c4f0860$407cc6cb@adamhomepc>
Message-ID: <001e01c02e57$0d478fc0$0100007f@boom>

Hi Adam,

Unfortunately it's not a truly Nak anymore. No people, no spirit.. no art
anymore.

Misha


>Nakamichi USA has put up something new.. a CM-5.  Compact Model 5.  It has
a 2 head Tape Deck with HX-PRO and MD.
>Looks like those new Sony mini components.. check it out on
http://www.nakamichi.com/

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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Thu Oct  5 02:09:15 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 18:09:15 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] new deck
Message-ID: <03c801c02e60$80187b00$7293bccf@sank1>

Well, that does sound like a scary piece of crap!

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
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Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
-----Original Message-----
From: Norman van Wijnen <n.van.wijnen at castel.nl>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 4:33 PM
Subject: [naktalk] new deck


Well Well a Nakamichi with auto reverse and Dolby HX Pro

How low can a firm go

DR-5 2-HEAD CASSETTE DECK (optional)
The DR-5 is a front-loading single-well 2-head cassette deck with a
meticulously engineered auto-reverse mechanism, Dolby-B and -C NR and Dolby
HX Pro to increase treble dynamic range, and most importantly, the Nakamichi
heritage. Like the MD-5, the DR-5 integrates perfectly into the CMS-5
system. When used with the CD-5 CD Player, it automatically adopts the
optimum recording level to transfer CDs to tape and startup is automatic! Of
course, manual control of record level and bias/equalization selection for
normal, high and metal tape are included too


Norman


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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Thu Oct  5 02:20:00 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 18:20:00 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Microphone article in EQ Magazine
Message-ID: <03cf01c02e62$0142c680$7293bccf@sank1>

I haven't received my comp copies of this month's EQ yet.  I am disappointed
to hear that the photographer did not include the end of the cable in the
picture.  The last six inches or so of the fat brown cable sprouts two
separate cables with ordinary XLR plugs.  Did he at least take a pic of the
mic with the top off, showing the two BK-6B mics?  It's a very cool bit of
nylon machining housing them.  The funny part is that the BK-6B, even in
this application, sounds way better than an actual BK-1A, which is a pretty
dreadful sounding dynamic mic.  Not one of my dad's designs, of course.
As for ribbon mic fragility, I have only seen ribbon elements damaged by
either idiots blowing into them or by plugging into an active phantom
powered line.  I've seen 77-DX's dropped on their heads with the screen
cages caved in that sounded perfectly fine.  Even the most extreme impact,
short of shattering a magnet, is very unlikely to hurt a ribbon, as the
aluminum is so thin that there is efectively no inertial mass(main reason
ribbons sound so natural).  The spec for the BK11 ribbon material, for
instance, is 14.5mg per four square inches of material, or about 3.6mg per
square inch.  Very hard to hold between your fingers without tearing.

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
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-----Original Message-----
From: Kent Merideth <kmeridet at anderson.edu>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 9:34 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Microphone article in EQ Magazine


>Hello all,
>
>Last night I read an article in the October issue of EQ Magazine about the
RCA "LBJ" Microphone.  Seems Lyndon Banes Johnson had a great dislike for
the "clutter" of microphones at any podium at which he was to speak.  In any
broadcast situation it is MANDATORY that there be a back-up mic, which means
two microphones.  RCA had a very ingenious designer that came up with
placing two complete RCA BK-6B miniature dynamic lavalier mics in a single
housing that appeared to be similar to their BK-1A, which LBJ was accustomed
to using.  The cable was even designed to look like the "standard" two
conductor shielded (now four conductor shielded) mic cable.  The two
elements, each having their dedicated shielded pair wiring, allowed the
back-up mic to be in the same housing as the primary mic.  This was
accomplished, during the 1964 re-election campaign, by a man named Jon R.
Sank, the father of Stephen Sank.
>
>Stephen, how was the pre-amp/mixer end of the mic cable connectorized?
Possibly two 3-pin XLRs?  Presume your expertise with ribbon mics is through
your Dad's many years of designing microphones for RCA, including ribbon
mics.  I believe the "fragile" reputation of ribbon mics is due to they
could be damaged by someone blowing into the mic, not from physically
handling the mic roughly.  Believe the mechanical suspension of the element
withstood a considerable amount of shock.
>
>Just a little microphone history/nostalgia for those of us that still
record on-location using various microphones.
>
>Help keep analog (sound) alive!
>
>Kent Merideth
>
>>>> wheijke at xs4all.nl 10/03/00 06:04AM >>>
>Hi all!
>
>From Oct 20 until Oct 24 Naks.com will be down due to the company I work
>for moving to another building.
>I hope the site will be down for less time but this depends on the
>network/firewall being available in the new building.
>So write this in your agenda and/or plan a Holiday ;-)
>
>Wouter
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From alan at audiotronics.com  Thu Oct  5 02:19:18 2000
From: alan at audiotronics.com (Alan Store Address)
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 20:19:18 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] new deck
In-Reply-To: <03c801c02e60$80187b00$7293bccf@sank1>
Message-ID: <002f01c02e61$e745f180$0b00000a@main>

"meticulously engineered auto-reverse mechanism" ... kinda sad.  Decades ago
they did auto reverse the only way it could accurately be done.  If they are
using a four track head WITHOUT NAAC or are flipping the head assembly, I'll
shake my head in sorrow.

Alan Guyes - dedicated Nak owner


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
Stephen Sank
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 8:09 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] new deck


Well, that does sound like a scary piece of crap!

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
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Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
-----Original Message-----
From: Norman van Wijnen <n.van.wijnen at castel.nl>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 4:33 PM
Subject: [naktalk] new deck


Well Well a Nakamichi with auto reverse and Dolby HX Pro

How low can a firm go

DR-5 2-HEAD CASSETTE DECK (optional)
The DR-5 is a front-loading single-well 2-head cassette deck with a
meticulously engineered auto-reverse mechanism, Dolby-B and -C NR and Dolby
HX Pro to increase treble dynamic range, and most importantly, the Nakamichi
heritage. Like the MD-5, the DR-5 integrates perfectly into the CMS-5
system. When used with the CD-5 CD Player, it automatically adopts the
optimum recording level to transfer CDs to tape and startup is automatic! Of
course, manual control of record level and bias/equalization selection for
normal, high and metal tape are included too


Norman


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From JaqDRipper at aol.com  Thu Oct  5 02:54:29 2000
From: JaqDRipper at aol.com (JaqDRipper at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 20:54:29 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] Re: MINT Dragon for sale
Message-ID: <27.bb6e03d.270d2b45@aol.com>

Check it out guys:

http://audiogo5.iserver.net/cgi-bin/auc.pl?misccass&970709562&item
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From eriep at stewstras.net  Thu Oct  5 05:07:11 2000
From: eriep at stewstras.net (Erie Patsellis)
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 22:07:11 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Have you guys checked out the CM-5?
References: <003801c02e3d$5c4f0860$407cc6cb@adamhomepc>
Message-ID: <003101c02e79$5b877b60$0400a8c0@design>

and should anyone want a mini system, or any of the Nakamichi lifestyle systems, drop me an email...



erie
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Adam Yousuf 
  To: Nak Talk 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 2:57 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] Have you guys checked out the CM-5?


  Guys,
   
  Nakamichi USA has put up something new.. a CM-5.  Compact Model 5.  It has a 2 head Tape Deck with HX-PRO and MD.
   
  Looks like those new Sony mini components.. check it out on http://www.nakamichi.com/
   
  Adam

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From ritchfan at airmail.net  Thu Oct  5 05:22:53 2000
From: ritchfan at airmail.net (Bobby Gervais)
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 22:22:53 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Have you guys checked out the CM-5?
In-Reply-To: <00b601c02e44$cb3f48f0$407cc6cb@adamhomepc>
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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Thu Oct  5 06:50:44 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 10:20:44 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] new deck
Message-ID: <008a01c02e87$d2255ae0$42d60192@vsnl>

Did you see that CM5 Champagne colour available for Asia only. Looks like
these models are for countries like India where Miniature systems are
popular and costs much less than Seperates - actually our guys call it Rack
systems - not the Pro rack !
Nakamichi has lost it soul ( or Technology) years back.
I am seriously thinking of Keeping My BX1 as it would record better than
this CM5!
What you guys think if Nak has reintroduced CR7 - will it have market for
1500 USD price tag?
Kannan
-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Store Address <alan at audiotronics.com>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Thursday, October 05, 2000 6:54 AM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] new deck


>"meticulously engineered auto-reverse mechanism" ... kinda sad.  Decades
ago
>they did auto reverse the only way it could accurately be done.  If they
are
>using a four track head WITHOUT NAAC or are flipping the head assembly,
I'll
>shake my head in sorrow.
>
>Alan Guyes - dedicated Nak owner
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
>Stephen Sank
>Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 8:09 PM
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] new deck
>
>
>Well, that does sound like a scary piece of crap!
>
>Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
>Champlain Valley Speaker Company
>http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
>1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
>Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
>505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
>mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
>https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
>Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Norman van Wijnen <n.van.wijnen at castel.nl>
>To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
>Date: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 4:33 PM
>Subject: [naktalk] new deck
>
>
>Well Well a Nakamichi with auto reverse and Dolby HX Pro
>
>How low can a firm go
>
>DR-5 2-HEAD CASSETTE DECK (optional)
>The DR-5 is a front-loading single-well 2-head cassette deck with a
>meticulously engineered auto-reverse mechanism, Dolby-B and -C NR and Dolby
>HX Pro to increase treble dynamic range, and most importantly, the
Nakamichi
>heritage. Like the MD-5, the DR-5 integrates perfectly into the CMS-5
>system. When used with the CD-5 CD Player, it automatically adopts the
>optimum recording level to transfer CDs to tape and startup is automatic!
Of
>course, manual control of record level and bias/equalization selection for
>normal, high and metal tape are included too
>
>
>Norman
>
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From SBarr12393 at aol.com  Thu Oct  5 07:31:22 2000
From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 01:31:22 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] Have you guys checked out the CM-5?
Message-ID: <52.182579d.270d6c2a@aol.com>

Hi,

You know, as a marketing professional I like that idea.  Unfortunately, it 
would require NAK to return to what appears to be long abandoned 
manufacturing techniques.  However, they could simply outsource the 
manufacturing to another country, recreate a limited number of Dragons, 
update the face styling, maybe add some new feature (e.g. wireless, credit 
card thin universal remote), charge a high price tag and sell a considerable 
number of these decks.  Does anyone on this list know how to contact their 
marketing department?  I could create a really sharp marketing plan to 
support this idea.

-Sam
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From SBarr12393 at aol.com  Thu Oct  5 07:39:56 2000
From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 01:39:56 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] new deck
Message-ID: <d9.a702fad.270d6e2c@aol.com>

Actually,  when you think about it NAK could re-enter the professional studio 
and prosumer market.  TASCAM is there due to their reliability.   NAK made an 
ill-faded attempt with the MR-1.  A CR-7a with the durability of a TASCAM 122 
MKIII.  That would require a new commitment and dedication to analog tape 
recording that doesn't seem to exist at NAK anymore.  If you could produce 
the sound that the CR-7 produces inside of a TASCAM 122, it would be an ideal 
deck that would span multiple applications from studio mastering, radio and 
television production, to the high-end home audio enthusiasts.  Just a 
thought.  

-Sam
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Thu Oct  5 09:44:35 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 08:44:35 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Have you guys checked out the CM-5?
In-Reply-To: <52.182579d.270d6c2a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000501c02ea0$1b50d060$dd50883e@a4s1s2>

Sam

And if you need a top gun market research consultant for this enterprise
....  don't forget me!!!

Graham

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> SBarr12393 at aol.com
> Sent: 05 October 2000 06:31
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Have you guys checked out the CM-5?
>
>
> Hi,
>
> You know, as a marketing professional I like that idea.
> Unfortunately, it
> would require NAK to return to what appears to be long abandoned
> manufacturing techniques.  However, they could simply outsource the
> manufacturing to another country, recreate a limited number of Dragons,
> update the face styling, maybe add some new feature (e.g.
> wireless, credit
> card thin universal remote), charge a high price tag and sell a
> considerable
> number of these decks.  Does anyone on this list know how to
> contact their
> marketing department?  I could create a really sharp marketing plan to
> support this idea.
>
> -Sam
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From howarthar at supanet.com  Thu Oct  5 10:51:34 2000
From: howarthar at supanet.com (Andrew Howarth)
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 09:51:34 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Re: New Deck
References: <200010050302.FAA29593@zebra.naks.com>
Message-ID: <000b01c02ea9$7867e780$95916fd4@oemcomputer>

Dear, oh dear, oh dear, that all I can say about the DR5.

Frequency response 30 - 17kHz for Type IV tape (!!!) on a Nakamichi in this
enlightened age of high technology! I notice that they dare not state the
specs for Type I tape. Can this really be a Nak engineered deck, or is it an
OEM they have bought in just so they can have a 'me-to' tape deck for their
mini system.

A sad day indeed.

Andrew

----- Original Message -----
From: naktalk-digest <owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com>
To: <naktalk-digest at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 4:02 AM
Subject: naktalk-digest V2 #403


>
> naktalk-digest        Thursday, October 5 2000        Volume 02 : Number
403
>
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 23:56:47 +0200
> From: "Norman van Wijnen" <n.van.wijnen at castel.nl>
> Subject: [naktalk] new deck
>
> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
>
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> Well Well a Nakamichi with auto reverse and Dolby HX Pro
>
> How low can a firm go
>
> DR-5 2-HEAD CASSETTE DECK (optional)
> The DR-5 is a front-loading single-well 2-head cassette deck with a =
> meticulously engineered auto-reverse mechanism, Dolby-B and -C NR and =
> Dolby HX Pro to increase treble dynamic range, and most importantly, the =
> Nakamichi heritage. Like the MD-5, the DR-5 integrates perfectly into =
> the CMS-5 system. When used with the CD-5 CD Player, it automatically =
> adopts the optimum recording level to transfer CDs to tape and startup =
> is automatic! Of course, manual control of record level and =
> bias/equalization selection for normal, high and metal tape are included =
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>
>
> Norman
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> Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 01:01:35 +0200
> From: "MVM" <MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua>
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Have you guys checked out the CM-5?
>
> Hi Adam,
>
> Unfortunately it's not a truly Nak anymore. No people, no spirit.. no art
> anymore.
>
> Misha
>
>
> >Nakamichi USA has put up something new.. a CM-5.  Compact Model 5.  It
has
> a 2 head Tape Deck with HX-PRO and MD.
> >Looks like those new Sony mini components.. check it out on
> http://www.nakamichi.com/
>
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> Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 18:09:15 -0600
> From: "Stephen Sank" <stephen_sank at rjknet.net>
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] new deck
>
> Well, that does sound like a scary piece of crap!
>
> Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
> Champlain Valley Speaker Company
> http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
> 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
> 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
> mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
> https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
> - -----Original Message-----
> From: Norman van Wijnen <n.van.wijnen at castel.nl>
> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> Date: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 4:33 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] new deck
>
>
> Well Well a Nakamichi with auto reverse and Dolby HX Pro
>
> How low can a firm go
>
> DR-5 2-HEAD CASSETTE DECK (optional)
> The DR-5 is a front-loading single-well 2-head cassette deck with a
> meticulously engineered auto-reverse mechanism, Dolby-B and -C NR and
Dolby
> HX Pro to increase treble dynamic range, and most importantly, the
Nakamichi
> heritage. Like the MD-5, the DR-5 integrates perfectly into the CMS-5
> system. When used with the CD-5 CD Player, it automatically adopts the
> optimum recording level to transfer CDs to tape and startup is automatic!
Of
> course, manual control of record level and bias/equalization selection for
> normal, high and metal tape are included too
>
>
> Norman
>
>
>
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> Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 18:20:00 -0600
> From: "Stephen Sank" <stephen_sank at rjknet.net>
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Microphone article in EQ Magazine
>
> I haven't received my comp copies of this month's EQ yet.  I am
disappointed
> to hear that the photographer did not include the end of the cable in the
> picture.  The last six inches or so of the fat brown cable sprouts two
> separate cables with ordinary XLR plugs.  Did he at least take a pic of
the
> mic with the top off, showing the two BK-6B mics?  It's a very cool bit of
> nylon machining housing them.  The funny part is that the BK-6B, even in
> this application, sounds way better than an actual BK-1A, which is a
pretty
> dreadful sounding dynamic mic.  Not one of my dad's designs, of course.
> As for ribbon mic fragility, I have only seen ribbon elements damaged by
> either idiots blowing into them or by plugging into an active phantom
> powered line.  I've seen 77-DX's dropped on their heads with the screen
> cages caved in that sounded perfectly fine.  Even the most extreme impact,
> short of shattering a magnet, is very unlikely to hurt a ribbon, as the
> aluminum is so thin that there is efectively no inertial mass(main reason
> ribbons sound so natural).  The spec for the BK11 ribbon material, for
> instance, is 14.5mg per four square inches of material, or about 3.6mg per
> square inch.  Very hard to hold between your fingers without tearing.
>
> Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
> Champlain Valley Speaker Company
> http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
> 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
> 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
> mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
> https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
> - -----Original Message-----
> From: Kent Merideth <kmeridet at anderson.edu>
> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> Date: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 9:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Microphone article in EQ Magazine
>
>
> >Hello all,
> >
> >Last night I read an article in the October issue of EQ Magazine about
the
> RCA "LBJ" Microphone.  Seems Lyndon Banes Johnson had a great dislike for
> the "clutter" of microphones at any podium at which he was to speak.  In
any
> broadcast situation it is MANDATORY that there be a back-up mic, which
means
> two microphones.  RCA had a very ingenious designer that came up with
> placing two complete RCA BK-6B miniature dynamic lavalier mics in a single
> housing that appeared to be similar to their BK-1A, which LBJ was
accustomed
> to using.  The cable was even designed to look like the "standard" two
> conductor shielded (now four conductor shielded) mic cable.  The two
> elements, each having their dedicated shielded pair wiring, allowed the
> back-up mic to be in the same housing as the primary mic.  This was
> accomplished, during the 1964 re-election campaign, by a man named Jon R.
> Sank, the father of Stephen Sank.
> >
> >Stephen, how was the pre-amp/mixer end of the mic cable connectorized?
> Possibly two 3-pin XLRs?  Presume your expertise with ribbon mics is
through
> your Dad's many years of designing microphones for RCA, including ribbon
> mics.  I believe the "fragile" reputation of ribbon mics is due to they
> could be damaged by someone blowing into the mic, not from physically
> handling the mic roughly.  Believe the mechanical suspension of the
element
> withstood a considerable amount of shock.
> >
> >Just a little microphone history/nostalgia for those of us that still
> record on-location using various microphones.
> >
> >Help keep analog (sound) alive!
> >
> >Kent Merideth
> >
> >>>> wheijke at xs4all.nl 10/03/00 06:04AM >>>
> >Hi all!
> >
> >From Oct 20 until Oct 24 Naks.com will be down due to the company I work
> >for moving to another building.
> >I hope the site will be down for less time but this depends on the
> >network/firewall being available in the new building.
> >So write this in your agenda and/or plan a Holiday ;-)
> >
> >Wouter
> >
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> Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 20:19:18 -0400
> From: "Alan Store Address" <alan at audiotronics.com>
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] new deck
>
> "meticulously engineered auto-reverse mechanism" ... kinda sad.  Decades
ago
> they did auto reverse the only way it could accurately be done.  If they
are
> using a four track head WITHOUT NAAC or are flipping the head assembly,
I'll
> shake my head in sorrow.
>
> Alan Guyes - dedicated Nak owner
>
>
> - -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> Stephen Sank
> Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 8:09 PM
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] new deck
>
>
> Well, that does sound like a scary piece of crap!
>
> Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
> Champlain Valley Speaker Company
> http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
> 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
> 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
> mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
> https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
> - -----Original Message-----
> From: Norman van Wijnen <n.van.wijnen at castel.nl>
> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> Date: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 4:33 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] new deck
>
>
> Well Well a Nakamichi with auto reverse and Dolby HX Pro
>
> How low can a firm go
>
> DR-5 2-HEAD CASSETTE DECK (optional)
> The DR-5 is a front-loading single-well 2-head cassette deck with a
> meticulously engineered auto-reverse mechanism, Dolby-B and -C NR and
Dolby
> HX Pro to increase treble dynamic range, and most importantly, the
Nakamichi
> heritage. Like the MD-5, the DR-5 integrates perfectly into the CMS-5
> system. When used with the CD-5 CD Player, it automatically adopts the
> optimum recording level to transfer CDs to tape and startup is automatic!
Of
> course, manual control of record level and bias/equalization selection for
> normal, high and metal tape are included too
>
>
> Norman
>
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> Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 20:54:29 EDT
> From: JaqDRipper at aol.com
> Subject: [naktalk] Re: MINT Dragon for sale
>
> Check it out guys:
>
> http://audiogo5.iserver.net/cgi-bin/auc.pl?misccass&970709562&item
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> Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 22:07:11 -0500
> From: "Erie Patsellis" <eriep at stewstras.net>
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Have you guys checked out the CM-5?
>
> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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> and should anyone want a mini system, or any of the Nakamichi lifestyle =
> systems, drop me an email...
>
>
>
> erie
>   ----- Original Message -----=20
>   From: Adam Yousuf=20
>   To: Nak Talk=20
>   Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 2:57 PM
>   Subject: [naktalk] Have you guys checked out the CM-5?
>
>
>   Guys,
>   =20
>   Nakamichi USA has put up something new.. a CM-5.  Compact Model 5.  It =
> has a 2 head Tape Deck with HX-PRO and MD.
>   =20
>   Looks like those new Sony mini components.. check it out on =
> http://www.nakamichi.com/
>   =20
>   Adam
>
>
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> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>and should anyone want a mini system, =
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> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>erie</FONT></DIV>
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>   <A href=3D"mailto:adamyh at netvigator.com" =
> title=3Dadamyh at netvigator.com>Adam=20
>   Yousuf</A> </DIV>
>   <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
> href=3D"mailto:naktalk at naks.com"=20
>   title=3Dnaktalk at naks.com>Nak Talk</A> </DIV>
>   <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 04, =
> 2000 2:57=20
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> guys checked=20
>   out the CM-5?</DIV>
>   <DIV><BR></DIV>
>   <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Guys,</FONT></DIV>
>   <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
>   <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Nakamichi USA has put up something =
> new.. a=20
>   CM-5.&nbsp; Compact Model 5.&nbsp; It has a 2 head Tape Deck with =
> HX-PRO and=20
>   MD.</FONT></DIV>
>   <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
>   <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Looks like those new Sony mini =
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From rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil  Thu Oct  5 11:43:53 2000
From: rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil (Tellez, Raul)
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 11:43:53 +0200 
Subject: [naktalk] new deck
Message-ID: <3552BC4041EAD111826100A02475F2F0024858AD@nh-rota-exch1.med.navy.mil>

If it was really "meticulously" engineered wouldn't it be a DR-5 "E".

-----Original Message-----
From: Norman van Wijnen [mailto:n.van.wijnen at castel.nl]
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 11:57 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] new deck


Well Well a Nakamichi with auto reverse and Dolby HX Pro
 
How low can a firm go
 
DR-5 2-HEAD CASSETTE DECK (optional)
The DR-5 is a front-loading single-well 2-head cassette deck with a
meticulously engineered auto-reverse mechanism, Dolby-B and -C NR and Dolby
HX Pro to increase treble dynamic range, and most importantly, the Nakamichi
heritage. Like the MD-5, the DR-5 integrates perfectly into the CMS-5
system. When used with the CD-5 CD Player, it automatically adopts the
optimum recording level to transfer CDs to tape and startup is automatic! Of
course, manual control of record level and bias/equalization selection for
normal, high and metal tape are included too
 
 
Norman

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From Modernizy at netscape.net  Thu Oct  5 13:57:24 2000
From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick)
Date: 5 Oct 00 13:57:24 MSK
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 700 TAS review
Message-ID: <20001005105724.24206.qmail@nwcst268.netaddress.usa.net>

Dear Naktalkers!

In TAS review of ZX-7 deck placed to FTP Naks server the author mentioned the
review of 700 model made by The Absolute Sound earlier. 

Maybe anybody has this issue and can place this review to FTP server? Or just
tell me the issue number. Thanks a lot.

Nicholas.

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From targowski at mediaone.net  Thu Oct  5 14:06:03 2000
From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski)
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 07:06:03 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] new deck
In-Reply-To: <3552BC4041EAD111826100A02475F2F0024858AD@nh-rota-exch1.med.navy.mil>
Message-ID: <NDBBLFHPELODKPKLBMPGAENMCCAA.targowski@mediaone.net>

Raul, that's a good one.

I think time will show. I can see some "honest" seller on e-Bay in 2002
selling: "Nakamichi DR-5 E, meticulously engineered special edition deck,
fourth best only to Dragon, CR7 A, and BX300 E ... "
  -----Original Message-----
  From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
Tellez, Raul
  Sent: Thu, October 05, 2000 4:44 AM
  To: 'naktalk at naks.com'
  Subject: RE: [naktalk] new deck


  If it was really "meticulously" engineered wouldn't it be a DR-5 "E".
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Norman van Wijnen [mailto:n.van.wijnen at castel.nl]
    Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 11:57 PM
    To: naktalk at naks.com
    Subject: [naktalk] new deck


    Well Well a Nakamichi with auto reverse and Dolby HX Pro

    How low can a firm go

    DR-5 2-HEAD CASSETTE DECK (optional)
    The DR-5 is a front-loading single-well 2-head cassette deck with a
meticulously engineered auto-reverse mechanism, Dolby-B and -C NR and Dolby
HX Pro to increase treble dynamic range, and most importantly, the Nakamichi
heritage. Like the MD-5, the DR-5 integrates perfectly into the CMS-5
system. When used with the CD-5 CD Player, it automatically adopts the
optimum recording level to transfer CDs to tape and startup is automatic! Of
course, manual control of record level and bias/equalization selection for
normal, high and metal tape are included too


    Norman
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Thu Oct  5 14:36:04 2000
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 14:36:04 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] new deck
References: <NDBBLFHPELODKPKLBMPGAENMCCAA.targowski@mediaone.net>
Message-ID: <39DC75B4.E5E72E61@xs4all.nl>

;-)

I bet this DR5 isn't even manufactured by Nakamichi themselves....
Nakamichi USA have done this trick before, buy crap and put the
Nakamichi brand on it.

Wouter

Stan Targowski wrote:

> Raul, that's a good one. I think time will show. I can see some
> "honest" seller on e-Bay in 2002 selling: "Nakamichi DR-5 E,
> meticulously engineered special edition deck, fourth best only to
> Dragon, CR7 A, and BX300 E ... "
>
>      -----Original Message-----
>      From: owner-naktalk at naks.com
>      [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Tellez, Raul
>      Sent: Thu, October 05, 2000 4:44 AM
>      To: 'naktalk at naks.com'
>      Subject: RE: [naktalk] new deck
>
>      If it was really "meticulously" engineered wouldn't it be a
>      DR-5 "E".
>
>           -----Original Message-----
>           From: Norman van Wijnen
>           [mailto:n.van.wijnen at castel.nl]
>           Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 11:57 PM
>           To: naktalk at naks.com
>           Subject: [naktalk] new deck
>
>           Well Well a Nakamichi with auto reverse and Dolby
>           HX Pro How low can a firm go DR-5 2-HEAD CASSETTE
>           DECK (optional)
>           The DR-5 is a front-loading single-well 2-head
>           cassette deck with a meticulously engineered
>           auto-reverse mechanism, Dolby-B and -C NR and
>           Dolby HX Pro to increase treble dynamic range, and
>           most importantly, the Nakamichi heritage. Like the
>           MD-5, the DR-5 integrates perfectly into the CMS-5
>           system. When used with the CD-5 CD Player, it
>           automatically adopts the optimum recording level
>           to transfer CDs to tape and startup is automatic!
>           Of course, manual control of record level and
>           bias/equalization selection for normal, high and
>           metal tape are included too  Norman
>

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From BrianjD107 at aol.com  Thu Oct  5 15:21:48 2000
From: BrianjD107 at aol.com (BrianjD107 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 09:21:48 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] BX-100 pawnshop special
Message-ID: <a2.a52347a.270dda6c@aol.com>

Greetings from the Pacific NW. I'm a long-time lurker with an opportunity to 
acquire a BX-100 for $30 from a pawn shop. The exterior is in good shape, but 
am wondering about the tape transport. All lights work, I can hear 
solenoid/relays operate when pushing various play/ff/rewind, but the tape 
doesn't move but a couple of inches before disengaging.... My question is, is 
this deck worth picking up on the chance that the fix is pretty easy or am I 
looking at a gear upgrade plus more to fix?? Any advice or information would 
be gratefully appreciated. Thanks in advance!

                                                                              
                        Brian
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From w.smetanig at chello.at  Thu Oct  5 16:21:50 2000
From: w.smetanig at chello.at (Wolfgang Smetanig)
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 16:21:50 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] BX-100 pawnshop special
References: <a2.a52347a.270dda6c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <39DC8E7E.B9B6FDB5@chello.at>

Hi Brian,

I suppose that there is an idler problem - updating to gear driven transport (if
possible - Stephen?) in my opinion is not necessary.
To change the idler is very simple an cheap - about $3 (paid this for my BX125 and did
it by myself)

Wolfgang



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From raah at concentric.net  Thu Oct  5 16:29:14 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 10:29:14 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Rubinstein
References: <000101c02e30$0c1fea60$4527883e@a4s1s2>
Message-ID: <39DC903A.9DA1A2DB@concentric.net>


Graham,

Actually, a music fan. Rubinstein was a great Chopin
interpreter, but by no means the only great one. I
do enjoy Chopin and have recordings of much of his
output. Waltzes with Rubinstein (LP). Ballads with
Rubinstein and Arrau (LP), Zimerman and Ashkenazi (CD)
and Moravec (tape). Nocturnes, mazurkas and Polonaises
with Rubinstein (CDs). Preludes with Jablonsky (so-so),
Polini (excellent) and Argerich (superb). Etudes with
Jablonsky (CD) and Polini (LP). Finally, the concertos
with Ohlson (LPs) and Ax (tape). Of course, several
recital recordings, bits and pieces one accumulates
over the years. Let me know if anything strikes your
fancy. Personally, I would love to locate any Chopin
with Moravec -- the copies I have are of extremely
poor quality.

In all, I have about 750 LPs (shows my age, I guess),
mostly classical with a heavy emphasize on opera but
also, quite a few musical shows. Also, a couple of
hundred CDs and a similar number of cassettes. Also,
about 250 VLDs and about 250 S-VHS cassettes. I've
started to collect DVDs and have about two dozen so
far. 

-- Ron


Graham Nelson wrote:
> 
> Ron
> 
> A Rubinstein fan?  Good man!  My VERY favourite Chopin interpreter.  Perhaps
> we should compare Rubinstein record collections and see if there is room for
> swapping recordings???
> 
> Graham
> 
> > The last LP I bought (Rubinstein playing Chopin's
> > Ballads) was described as 'near mint' with the word
> > 'wonderful' appearing three times in the two line
> > description.
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From nakamikaze at hotmail.com  Thu Oct  5 16:48:17 2000
From: nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas)
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 16:48:17 CEST
Subject: [naktalk] new deck
Message-ID: <LAW-F1244n1hUOM9Ku70000b2d9@hotmail.com>

I die !!!

Matyas

>From: "Norman van Wijnen"

>Well Well a Nakamichi with auto reverse and Dolby HX Pro
>
>How low can a firm go
>
>DR-5 2-HEAD CASSETTE DECK (optional)
>The DR-5 is a front-loading single-well 2-head cassette deck with a 
>meticulously engineered auto-reverse mechanism, Dolby-B and -C NR and Dolby 
>HX Pro to increase treble dynamic range, and most importantly, the 
>Nakamichi heritage. Like the MD-5, the DR-5 integrates perfectly into the 
>CMS-5 system. When used with the CD-5 CD Player, it automatically adopts 
>the optimum recording level to transfer CDs to tape and startup is 
>automatic! Of course, manual control of record level and bias/equalization 
>selection for normal, high and metal tape are included too
>
>
>Norman

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From nakamikaze at hotmail.com  Thu Oct  5 16:48:40 2000
From: nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas)
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 16:48:40 CEST
Subject: [naktalk] new deck
Message-ID: <LAW-F55DW6lCPx33E1i00004d58@hotmail.com>

I die !!!

Matyas

>From: "Norman van Wijnen"

>Well Well a Nakamichi with auto reverse and Dolby HX Pro
>
>How low can a firm go
>
>DR-5 2-HEAD CASSETTE DECK (optional)
>The DR-5 is a front-loading single-well 2-head cassette deck with a 
>meticulously engineered auto-reverse mechanism, Dolby-B and -C NR and Dolby 
>HX Pro to increase treble dynamic range, and most importantly, the 
>Nakamichi heritage. Like the MD-5, the DR-5 integrates perfectly into the 
>CMS-5 system. When used with the CD-5 CD Player, it automatically adopts 
>the optimum recording level to transfer CDs to tape and startup is 
>automatic! Of course, manual control of record level and bias/equalization 
>selection for normal, high and metal tape are included too
>
>
>Norman

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From nakamikaze at hotmail.com  Thu Oct  5 16:49:08 2000
From: nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas)
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 16:49:08 CEST
Subject: [naktalk] new deck
Message-ID: <LAW-F88bhyF2fPmsSVh000042d5@hotmail.com>

I die !!!

Matyas

>From: "Norman van Wijnen"

>Well Well a Nakamichi with auto reverse and Dolby HX Pro
>
>How low can a firm go
>
>DR-5 2-HEAD CASSETTE DECK (optional)
>The DR-5 is a front-loading single-well 2-head cassette deck with a 
>meticulously engineered auto-reverse mechanism, Dolby-B and -C NR and Dolby 
>HX Pro to increase treble dynamic range, and most importantly, the 
>Nakamichi heritage. Like the MD-5, the DR-5 integrates perfectly into the 
>CMS-5 system. When used with the CD-5 CD Player, it automatically adopts 
>the optimum recording level to transfer CDs to tape and startup is 
>automatic! Of course, manual control of record level and bias/equalization 
>selection for normal, high and metal tape are included too
>
>
>Norman

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From JaqDRipper at aol.com  Thu Oct  5 17:28:15 2000
From: JaqDRipper at aol.com (JaqDRipper at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 11:28:15 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] new deck
Message-ID: <c.b823354.270df80f@aol.com>


In a message dated 10/5/00 5:05:10 AM, targowski at mediaone.net writes:

<< Raul, that's a good one.


I think time will show. I can see some "honest" seller on e-Bay in 2002

selling: "Nakamichi DR-5 E, meticulously engineered special edition deck,

fourth best only to Dragon, CR7 A, and BX300 E ... " >>

Hahahahahahah!! No, THAT'S a good one!!

Rob
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From marc at stager.com  Thu Oct  5 17:31:22 2000
From: marc at stager.com (Marc Stager)
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 11:31:22 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 700 TAS review (and others)
In-Reply-To: <20001005105724.24206.qmail@nwcst268.netaddress.usa.net>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20001005111955.00c10d80@mail.flashcom.net>

At 10/5/00, you wrote:
 >Dear Naktalkers!
 >
 >In TAS review of ZX-7 deck placed to FTP Naks server the author mentioned the
 >review of 700 model made by The Absolute Sound earlier.
 >
 >Maybe anybody has this issue and can place this review to FTP server? Or just
 >tell me the issue number. Thanks a lot.
 >
 >Nicholas.
=================================

One mo' time:

Stereophile reviews:
  Nakamichi 700:    vol. III # 7
  Nakamichi 680:    vol.   V #10 and vol. VI # 1
  Nakamichi ZX7     vol  VII # 1 and # 6
  Nakamichi Dragon  Vol  VII # 6

The Absolute Sound reviews:
  Nakamichi 700      # 6
  Nakamichi ZX-7     #30  (already uploaded)
  TAS index shows Dragon review in issue #50 but it
  is not there.)

If anyone has these, scan them as GIFs at 300 resolution
and attach them in email to me and I'll make PDF's and
upload them.

Size is no problem, zipping right along with DSL.

________________ Marc Stager
Marc at Stager.com

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From marc at stager.com  Thu Oct  5 17:33:44 2000
From: marc at stager.com (Marc Stager)
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 11:33:44 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] new deck
In-Reply-To: <LAW-F1244n1hUOM9Ku70000b2d9@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20001005113250.00bfa100@mail.flashcom.net>

At 10/5/00, you wrote:
 >I die !!!
 >
 >Matyas

Matyas, keep your cat off your computer before
he posts this six more times!

________________ Marc

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From cvshanson at sprintmail.com  Thu Oct  5 18:34:13 2000
From: cvshanson at sprintmail.com (Vern Hanson)
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 11:34:13 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Re:Nak 600 Owners Manual to PDF
References: <026201c0290d$f635ab80$7293bccf@sank1> <39D53DD1.B87BBFE7@com2com.ru> <003a01c02be6$9ab48c50$bd496acf@johny1uboqh2n1>
Message-ID: <39DCAD83.8B7087A@sprintmail.com>

Hi All,

I have scanned the 600 Owners Manual and have the pages saved as Uncompressed TIFF
(large) files as well as PICT (smaller) files. If there is someone who can take these
files and convert them to PDF format for uploading to the FTP site, please contact me.
I will b e glad to send them to you either as e-mail attachments or I can send you a
ZIP (Mac) Disk.

Videovern

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From n.van.wijnen at castel.nl  Thu Oct  5 19:46:56 2000
From: n.van.wijnen at castel.nl (Norman van Wijnen)
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 19:46:56 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] new deck
References: <LAW-F88bhyF2fPmsSVh000042d5@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <003501c02ef4$41ba4c00$568955c3@asuscubx>

Well now we can tell our children about an old Tapedeck brand who made real
tapedecks in earlier days.
I think i know , that meens getting older...

Norman

----- Original Message -----
From: Matyas <nakamikaze at hotmail.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 6:49 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] new deck


> I die !!!
>
> Matyas
>
> >From: "Norman van Wijnen"
>
> >Well Well a Nakamichi with auto reverse and Dolby HX Pro
> >
> >How low can a firm go
> >
> >DR-5 2-HEAD CASSETTE DECK (optional)
> >The DR-5 is a front-loading single-well 2-head cassette deck with a
> >meticulously engineered auto-reverse mechanism, Dolby-B and -C NR and
Dolby
> >HX Pro to increase treble dynamic range, and most importantly, the
> >Nakamichi heritage. Like the MD-5, the DR-5 integrates perfectly into the
> >CMS-5 system. When used with the CD-5 CD Player, it automatically adopts
> >the optimum recording level to transfer CDs to tape and startup is
> >automatic! Of course, manual control of record level and
bias/equalization
> >selection for normal, high and metal tape are included too
> >
> >
> >Norman
>
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From n.van.wijnen at castel.nl  Thu Oct  5 19:49:08 2000
From: n.van.wijnen at castel.nl (Norman van Wijnen)
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 19:49:08 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Re:Nak 600 Owners Manual to PDF
References: <026201c0290d$f635ab80$7293bccf@sank1> <39D53DD1.B87BBFE7@com2com.ru> <003a01c02be6$9ab48c50$bd496acf@johny1uboqh2n1> <39DCAD83.8B7087A@sprintmail.com>
Message-ID: <004201c02ef4$90866a80$568955c3@asuscubx>

Hello Vern

I'll be glad to make a pdf of it and upload it to the ftp server

Maybe we can communicate about that using my email

n.van.wijnen at castel.nl

Greetings Norman

----- Original Message -----
From: Vern Hanson <cvshanson at sprintmail.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 6:34 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Re:Nak 600 Owners Manual to PDF


> Hi All,
>
> I have scanned the 600 Owners Manual and have the pages saved as
Uncompressed TIFF
> (large) files as well as PICT (smaller) files. If there is someone who can
take these
> files and convert them to PDF format for uploading to the FTP site, please
contact me.
> I will b e glad to send them to you either as e-mail attachments or I can
send you a
> ZIP (Mac) Disk.
>
> Videovern
>
>
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Thu Oct  5 20:15:22 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 19:15:22 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] new deck
In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20001005113250.00bfa100@mail.flashcom.net>
Message-ID: <000801c02ef8$3a1fbee0$ef3d883e@a4s1s2>

No Marc - Matyas is dying Shakespeare style ... you have to repeat the fact
that you are about to snuff it at least 6 times before you go!  Man, that's
art!!!

Graham

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> Marc Stager
> Sent: 05 October 2000 16:34
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] new deck
>
>
> At 10/5/00, you wrote:
>  >I die !!!
>  >
>  >Matyas
>
> Matyas, keep your cat off your computer before
> he posts this six more times!
>
> ________________ Marc
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From BJGRADY at aol.com  Thu Oct  5 20:29:22 2000
From: BJGRADY at aol.com (BJGRADY at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 14:29:22 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] new deck
Message-ID: <a5.c001a9b.270e2282@aol.com>

Man...Graham, that's really f*****' funny! 

California John.
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From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com  Thu Oct  5 23:04:21 2000
From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas)
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 23:04:21 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Help : dbx 118
References: <B5DDC355.32B2%eddy.pollet@pandora.be>
Message-ID: <LAW-OE47BFWf0arGHkm00002154@hotmail.com>

Hi Naktalkers

I purshase some days ago a dynamic compressor / expander DBX 118.
One of the two VCA card is defective (loud distortion) due to the probable
death of a FET 2sk30.

Does anyone own its sevice manual ?
I need it /or guidance help, because someone have turn the wax-sealed
potentiometers and I dont trust the accuracy of the whole adjustments in my
unit.

Many thanks for your help !

Matyas Csillagi

PS : what is a QUAD. COUPLER ??





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From blueswapper at angelfire.com  Fri Oct  6 01:10:20 2000
From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper)
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 16:10:20 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak Kamikazie Decks.....
Message-ID: <JLBFOMLJPJCJGAAA@angelfire.com>

This is disappointing news.  Definately a stain upon the Nakamichi reputation we all have looked upon favorably during the last thirty years.  DR-10, DR-8, DR-5, what could be coming next???

Niro Nakamichi would certainly fall on his family ceremonial sword if he was alive and knew what kind of gear is being marketed under his family name.  Aieeeeee!!!!

Blues

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>
>Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 16:48:17 CEST
>From: "Matyas" <nakamikaze at hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] new deck
>
>I die !!!
>
>Matyas
>
>>From: "Norman van Wijnen"
>
>>Well Well a Nakamichi with auto reverse and Dolby HX Pro
>>
>>How low can a firm go
>>
>>DR-5 2-HEAD CASSETTE DECK (optional)
>>The DR-5 is a front-loading single-well 2-head cassette deck with a 
>>meticulously engineered auto-reverse mechanism, Dolby-B and -C NR and Dolby 
>>HX Pro to increase treble dynamic range, and most importantly, the 
>>Nakamichi heritage. Like the MD-5, the DR-5 integrates perfectly into the 
>>CMS-5 system. When used with the CD-5 CD Player, it automatically adopts 
>>the optimum recording level to transfer CDs to tape and startup is 
>>automatic! Of course, manual control of record level and bias/equalization 
>>selection for normal, high and metal tape are included too
>>
>>
>>Norman
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>End of naktalk-digest V2 #406
>*****************************
>
>


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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Fri Oct  6 01:57:06 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 17:57:06 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak Kamikazie Decks.....
Message-ID: <012501c02f27$f823ce20$7293bccf@sank1>

Anybody remember the dreadful CP-1 cd/tape player & it's matching RS-1
receiver?  The DR-5 at least doesn't seem to be as horrible as those were.

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
-----Original Message-----
From: The BlueSwapper <blueswapper at angelfire.com>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Cc: Mr Blues <blueswapper at angelfire.com>
Date: Thursday, October 05, 2000 5:37 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak Kamikazie Decks.....


>This is disappointing news.  Definately a stain upon the Nakamichi
reputation we all have looked upon favorably during the last thirty years.
DR-10, DR-8, DR-5, what could be coming next???
>
>Niro Nakamichi would certainly fall on his family ceremonial sword if he
was alive and knew what kind of gear is being marketed under his family
name.  Aieeeeee!!!!
>
>Blues
>
>---
>Help keep the blues alive!  Got Some???
>http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper
>
>
>
>
>>
>>Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 16:48:17 CEST
>>From: "Matyas" <nakamikaze at hotmail.com>
>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] new deck
>>
>>I die !!!
>>
>>Matyas
>>
>>>From: "Norman van Wijnen"
>>
>>>Well Well a Nakamichi with auto reverse and Dolby HX Pro
>>>
>>>How low can a firm go
>>>
>>>DR-5 2-HEAD CASSETTE DECK (optional)
>>>The DR-5 is a front-loading single-well 2-head cassette deck with a
>>>meticulously engineered auto-reverse mechanism, Dolby-B and -C NR and
Dolby
>>>HX Pro to increase treble dynamic range, and most importantly, the
>>>Nakamichi heritage. Like the MD-5, the DR-5 integrates perfectly into the
>>>CMS-5 system. When used with the CD-5 CD Player, it automatically adopts
>>>the optimum recording level to transfer CDs to tape and startup is
>>>automatic! Of course, manual control of record level and
bias/equalization
>>>selection for normal, high and metal tape are included too
>>>
>>>
>>>Norman
>>
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>End of naktalk-digest V2 #406
>>*****************************
>>
>>
>
>
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Fri Oct  6 02:39:36 2000
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 20:39:36 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Nak. sign
References: <012501c02f27$f823ce20$7293bccf@sank1>
Message-ID: <002001c02f2d$e7ea2710$c8496acf@johny1uboqh2n1>

Steve,  I just tried to get this for you but was already outbid.  It would
look nice on the wall in NM.

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=459750886


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From raah at concentric.net  Fri Oct  6 03:49:47 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 21:49:47 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak Kamikazie Decks.....
References: <JLBFOMLJPJCJGAAA@angelfire.com>
Message-ID: <39DD2FBB.5D1DEA51@concentric.net>


"disappointing news"? You know, I am not
surprised...

Over the years, I have had little contact with
Nakamichi. I would need a part, give them a call
and a week later would have it in my hand.

Recently, I needed a cassette well bulb. This is
a tiny affair, not available anywhere locally. I
called Nakamichi parts. There was no one there,
so I left a voice mail message, asking them to
return my call. Two days, later, and no call, so
I called again. There was no one there and I
left another message. To be on the safe side, I
also sent an email. To make a long story short,
no one *ever* returned my calls or answered my
emails. After quite a while and many more calls,
I finally got a live body on the line. The part
turned out to be ridiculously expensive, because
they no longer supply the bulb alone -- it now
comes with the colored cap and metal holder (that
I didn't need). They took another few days to
just ship the part. It arrived almost a month
after my first call.

I could cite another story, but you get the idea.

-- Ron


The BlueSwapper wrote:
> 
> This is disappointing news.  Definately a stain upon the Nakamichi reputation we all have looked upon favorably during the last thirty years.  DR-10, DR-8, DR-5, what could be coming next???
> 
> Niro Nakamichi would certainly fall on his family ceremonial sword if he was alive and knew what kind of gear is being marketed under his family name.  Aieeeeee!!!!
> 
> Blues
> 
> ---
> Help keep the blues alive!  Got Some???
> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper
> 
> >
> >Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 16:48:17 CEST
> >From: "Matyas" <nakamikaze at hotmail.com>
> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] new deck
> >
> >I die !!!
> >
> >Matyas
> >
> >>From: "Norman van Wijnen"
> >
> >>Well Well a Nakamichi with auto reverse and Dolby HX Pro
> >>
> >>How low can a firm go
> >>
> >>DR-5 2-HEAD CASSETTE DECK (optional)
> >>The DR-5 is a front-loading single-well 2-head cassette deck with a
> >>meticulously engineered auto-reverse mechanism, Dolby-B and -C NR and Dolby
> >>HX Pro to increase treble dynamic range, and most importantly, the
> >>Nakamichi heritage. Like the MD-5, the DR-5 integrates perfectly into the
> >>CMS-5 system. When used with the CD-5 CD Player, it automatically adopts
> >>the optimum recording level to transfer CDs to tape and startup is
> >>automatic! Of course, manual control of record level and bias/equalization
> >>selection for normal, high and metal tape are included too
> >>
> >>
> >>Norman
> >
> >
> >------------------------------
> >
> >End of naktalk-digest V2 #406
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> >
> >
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From enoyes at snet.net  Fri Oct  6 03:52:51 2000
From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes)
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 21:52:51 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] new deck
References: <d9.a702fad.270d6e2c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <39DD3070.7CA2D654@snet.net>

In actuality, the cassette is dying in the studio environment in general. with a lack
of SMPTE time code editing capability, the cassette medium has no place in today's
video production environment. Likewise, radio spots are typically run off of CD-R's...
even 1/4" open reel as a delivery medium is virtually non-existent. And the cassette
really had no place for studio mastering in the literal sense at any time as the
venerable CR7 will not hold a candle to a Studer A80 analog mastering deck at 30IPS.
The only place where the cassette does fit in is for artists to be able to walk away
with pre-final mastered two track mixes for evaluation... and even at that, we're
running more and more one of CD-R's from DAT backup masters. Believe me when I say
it's a dying medium in general (which I still do and always will love).

Ed

SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote:

> Actually,  when you think about it NAK could re-enter the professional studio
> and prosumer market.  TASCAM is there due to their reliability.   NAK made an
> ill-faded attempt with the MR-1.  A CR-7a with the durability of a TASCAM 122
> MKIII.  That would require a new commitment and dedication to analog tape
> recording that doesn't seem to exist at NAK anymore.  If you could produce
> the sound that the CR-7 produces inside of a TASCAM 122, it would be an ideal
> deck that would span multiple applications from studio mastering, radio and
> television production, to the high-end home audio enthusiasts.  Just a
> thought.
>
> -Sam
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From MikeSwank at aol.com  Fri Oct  6 04:34:02 2000
From: MikeSwank at aol.com (MikeSwank at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 22:34:02 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] Used Naks for Sale
Message-ID: <50.bb99055.270e941a@aol.com>

Check out this site for used Naks.  with warranty

http://saturdayaudio.com/usedgear.htm
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From SBarr12393 at aol.com  Fri Oct  6 04:37:31 2000
From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 22:37:31 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] Have you guys checked out the CM-5?
Message-ID: <31.b0b918c.270e94eb@aol.com>

Hi Graham,

Deal!
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From SBarr12393 at aol.com  Fri Oct  6 05:30:04 2000
From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 23:30:04 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Soundspace Question
Message-ID: <2b.ba1b517.270ea13c@aol.com>

Hi Nak Talkers,

Does anyone own any of the Nak Soundspace systems?  There seems to always be 
an awful large number of these systems for sale on eBay.  Although I am not 
familiar with them, they do resemble the Bang & Olfusen Beosound gear.  Is 
the Soundspace gear "junk?"  And, btw - I really liked the sound from the B&O 
Beosound 6000 speakers and 4000 system.  However, it was poorly made (e.g. 
cheap plastic).  And, for the price I was really disappointed.  Does anyone 
on this list use B&O? You can respond to me directly as the list is dedicated 
to NAK.  Thanks!

-Sam 
I will have my CR-7 soon man!
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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Fri Oct  6 06:05:42 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 22:05:42 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Nak. sign
Message-ID: <014f01c02f4a$b2d59100$7293bccf@sank1>

Thanks for trying.

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
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-----Original Message-----
From: John M. Tooley <jmtooley at ce.net>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Thursday, October 05, 2000 7:03 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Nak. sign


>Steve,  I just tried to get this for you but was already outbid.  It would
>look nice on the wall in NM.
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=459750886
>
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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Fri Oct  6 06:28:33 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 22:28:33 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Soundspace Question
Message-ID: <017b01c02f4d$e3b74540$7293bccf@sank1>

The only Soundspace I have seen the inside of is the original Soundspace 7,
from about 8 years ago.  It was actually a very nice unit.  Essentially a
CDPlayer3 rearranged to fit, along with a receiver on a par with the
Receiver3.  One of the only "compact" systems I honestly wouldn't mind
having.

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
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-----Original Message-----
From: SBarr12393 at aol.com <SBarr12393 at aol.com>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Thursday, October 05, 2000 9:53 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Soundspace Question


>Hi Nak Talkers,
>
>Does anyone own any of the Nak Soundspace systems?  There seems to always
be
>an awful large number of these systems for sale on eBay.  Although I am not
>familiar with them, they do resemble the Bang & Olfusen Beosound gear.  Is
>the Soundspace gear "junk?"  And, btw - I really liked the sound from the
B&O
>Beosound 6000 speakers and 4000 system.  However, it was poorly made (e.g.
>cheap plastic).  And, for the price I was really disappointed.  Does anyone
>on this list use B&O? You can respond to me directly as the list is
dedicated
>to NAK.  Thanks!
>
>-Sam
>I will have my CR-7 soon man!
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From SBarr12393 at aol.com  Fri Oct  6 06:32:15 2000
From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 00:32:15 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Soundspace Question
Message-ID: <cc.aec8021.270eafcf@aol.com>

Thanks!
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From marc at stager.com  Fri Oct  6 07:05:04 2000
From: marc at stager.com (Marc Stager)
Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 01:05:04 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Used Naks for Sale
In-Reply-To: <50.bb99055.270e941a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20001006010226.00c22100@mail.flashcom.net>

At 10/5/00, MikeSwank at aol.com wrote:
 >Check out this site for used Naks. with warranty
 >http://saturdayaudio.com/usedgear.htm

============================
I can personally vouch for these folks.

I've dealt with them on several occasions and the used
merchandise was excellent and came very nicely packed.

___________________________ Marc Stager

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From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com  Fri Oct  6 11:02:59 2000
From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas)
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 11:02:59 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak Kamikazie Decks.....
References: <JLBFOMLJPJCJGAAA@angelfire.com>
Message-ID: <LAW-OE3Boe2U8QVjp3b0000010e@hotmail.com>

I can tell you Niro isn't dead yet !!!!!!!!!!!
I have a try to reach if he had an E-mail.

Man !

The old & venerable master is to be found and contact there ! :

Niro Nakamichi
Kodaira-city, Tokyo, Japan
100460.1126 at compuserve.com

I found him at :
http://people.yahoo.com/py/psEntry.py?srch=bas&slid=39DD91F0,1CC602F

Wouldn't be so great that he suscribes to our Naktalk Mailinglist ?
Niro ! if you are down there, let me know!!!!

Thy devoted Nakamikaze


----- Original Message -----
From: "The BlueSwapper" <blueswapper at angelfire.com>

> This is disappointing news.  Definately a stain upon the Nakamichi
reputation we all have looked upon favorably during the last thirty years.
DR-10, DR-8, DR-5, what could be coming next???
>
> Niro Nakamichi would certainly fall on his family ceremonial sword if he
was alive and knew what kind of gear is being marketed under his family
name.  Aieeeeee!!!!
>
> Blues




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From targowski at mediaone.net  Fri Oct  6 14:32:39 2000
From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski)
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 07:32:39 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak Kamikazie Decks.....
In-Reply-To: <LAW-OE3Boe2U8QVjp3b0000010e@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <NDBBLFHPELODKPKLBMPGGEOCCCAA.targowski@mediaone.net>

We all thought you were dead ... What a relief ...

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
Matyas
Sent: Fri, October 06, 2000 4:03 AM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak Kamikazie Decks.....


I can tell you Niro isn't dead yet !!!!!!!!!!!
I have a try to reach if he had an E-mail.

Man !

The old & venerable master is to be found and contact there ! :

Niro Nakamichi
Kodaira-city, Tokyo, Japan
100460.1126 at compuserve.com

I found him at :
http://people.yahoo.com/py/psEntry.py?srch=bas&slid=39DD91F0,1CC602F

Wouldn't be so great that he suscribes to our Naktalk Mailinglist ?
Niro ! if you are down there, let me know!!!!

Thy devoted Nakamikaze


----- Original Message -----
From: "The BlueSwapper" <blueswapper at angelfire.com>

> This is disappointing news.  Definately a stain upon the Nakamichi
reputation we all have looked upon favorably during the last thirty years.
DR-10, DR-8, DR-5, what could be coming next???
>
> Niro Nakamichi would certainly fall on his family ceremonial sword if he
was alive and knew what kind of gear is being marketed under his family
name.  Aieeeeee!!!!
>
> Blues




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From eriep at stewstras.net  Fri Oct  6 14:45:00 2000
From: eriep at stewstras.net (Erie Patsellis)
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 07:45:00 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak Kamikazie Decks.....
References: <JLBFOMLJPJCJGAAA@angelfire.com> <LAW-OE3Boe2U8QVjp3b0000010e@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <006101c02f93$3e190920$0400a8c0@design>

And you should see the upcoming Nero Preamp and amp.. amplifiers look like
nuclear reactors, unfortuantely due to confidentiality agreements, I
couldn't take pix of them.:(

erie

: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak Kamikazie Decks.....


> I can tell you Niro isn't dead yet !!!!!!!!!!!
> I have a try to reach if he had an E-mail.
>
> Man !
>
> The old & venerable master is to be found and contact there ! :
>
> Niro Nakamichi
> Kodaira-city, Tokyo, Japan
> 100460.1126 at compuserve.com



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From longrifles at yahoo.com  Fri Oct  6 14:52:01 2000
From: longrifles at yahoo.com (Ryan McNabb)
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 05:52:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Re: used BX-300 on ebay
Message-ID: <20001006125201.12733.qmail@web515.mail.yahoo.com>

There's a BX-300 on ebay that looks pretty good, but it's
missing the tape well cover door and an internal covering plate
of some kind.  Has anyone seen this listing?  Are these parts
difficult to find for replacement?  It looks as though it will
probably sell for a pretty low bid, maybe less than I paid for
my BX-100.  Is the 300 definitely a better deck due to its
3-head configuration, or are there other issues at play with
this deck?

Thanks
Ryan McNabb

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From longrifles at yahoo.com  Fri Oct  6 15:09:24 2000
From: longrifles at yahoo.com (Ryan McNabb)
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 06:09:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Moravec/Chopin
Message-ID: <20001006130924.19605.qmail@web512.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Ron <raah at concentric.net> wrote:
Personally, I would love to locate any Chopin
> with Moravec -- the copies I have are of extremely
> poor quality.

I have a boxed set of Moravec playing Chopin (on LP) from when I
was a child, virtually unplayed.  All the Balades, Nocturnes,
and Preludes.  I was so into my Moravec Beethoven that I never
listened to the Chopin much.  So anyway, if you would like, I
can get this taped for you, or if you would prefer I can send
the LP's to you carefully packed and you can tape them on your
own equipment, which you might prefer.  Just send them back when
you're done.  

Cheers
Ryan McNabb

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From brianm at grar.com  Fri Oct  6 15:16:32 2000
From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller)
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 09:16:32 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak Kamikazie Decks.....
References: <JLBFOMLJPJCJGAAA@angelfire.com> <39DD2FBB.5D1DEA51@concentric.net>
Message-ID: <005701c02f97$a6fdec40$5e021fac@brianm>

I too had terrible service from Nakamichi Ron.  I sent a TD-700 to them to
be gone through, it took three months and I called and called and called.
What was frustrating was that I would call, I would be told they had to talk
with the technician and would call me back, they never called me back, this
happened at least 5 times!  I called once an received voice mail, I left a
message and expressed my frustration, I received no call back, as I had
requesed.

Brian Miller
Michigan

Romans 10:9-10
...that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus
and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the
dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes
unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is
made unto salvation.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron" <raah at concentric.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 9:49 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak Kamikazie Decks.....


>
> "disappointing news"? You know, I am not
> surprised...
>
> Over the years, I have had little contact with
> Nakamichi. I would need a part, give them a call
> and a week later would have it in my hand.
>
> Recently, I needed a cassette well bulb. This is
> a tiny affair, not available anywhere locally. I
> called Nakamichi parts. There was no one there,
> so I left a voice mail message, asking them to
> return my call. Two days, later, and no call, so
> I called again. There was no one there and I
> left another message. To be on the safe side, I
> also sent an email. To make a long story short,
> no one *ever* returned my calls or answered my
> emails. After quite a while and many more calls,
> I finally got a live body on the line. The part
> turned out to be ridiculously expensive, because
> they no longer supply the bulb alone -- it now
> comes with the colored cap and metal holder (that
> I didn't need). They took another few days to
> just ship the part. It arrived almost a month
> after my first call.
>
> I could cite another story, but you get the idea.
>
> -- Ron
>
>
> The BlueSwapper wrote:
> >
> > This is disappointing news.  Definately a stain upon the Nakamichi
reputation we all have looked upon favorably during the last thirty years.
DR-10, DR-8, DR-5, what could be coming next???
> >
> > Niro Nakamichi would certainly fall on his family ceremonial sword if he
was alive and knew what kind of gear is being marketed under his family
name.  Aieeeeee!!!!
> >
> > Blues
> >
> > ---
> > Help keep the blues alive!  Got Some???
> > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper
> >
> > >
> > >Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 16:48:17 CEST
> > >From: "Matyas" <nakamikaze at hotmail.com>
> > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] new deck
> > >
> > >I die !!!
> > >
> > >Matyas
> > >
> > >>From: "Norman van Wijnen"
> > >
> > >>Well Well a Nakamichi with auto reverse and Dolby HX Pro
> > >>
> > >>How low can a firm go
> > >>
> > >>DR-5 2-HEAD CASSETTE DECK (optional)
> > >>The DR-5 is a front-loading single-well 2-head cassette deck with a
> > >>meticulously engineered auto-reverse mechanism, Dolby-B and -C NR and
Dolby
> > >>HX Pro to increase treble dynamic range, and most importantly, the
> > >>Nakamichi heritage. Like the MD-5, the DR-5 integrates perfectly into
the
> > >>CMS-5 system. When used with the CD-5 CD Player, it automatically
adopts
> > >>the optimum recording level to transfer CDs to tape and startup is
> > >>automatic! Of course, manual control of record level and
bias/equalization
> > >>selection for normal, high and metal tape are included too
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Norman
> > >
> > >
> > >------------------------------
> > >
> > >End of naktalk-digest V2 #406
> > >*****************************
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com
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From kmeridet at anderson.edu  Fri Oct  6 15:48:08 2000
From: kmeridet at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth)
Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 08:48:08 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Microphone article in EQ Magazine
Message-ID: <s9dd91e8.049@WORF.anderson.edu>

Stephen,

Yes, they did show a view of the assembly containing the two BK-6B mics.  They listed the frequency response as 80 Hz to 12,000 Hz, which is more than adequate for its intended purpose of speech pickup.  It is disappointing they did not include a picture of the dual XLR connector end.  Was the mic end hardwired or did it have a five pin configured XLR?  

Sorry for the delay in response.  I was about to send a message to Wouter asking if I had been dropped from the mailing list; three messages in two days.  This morning I had over 80 messages, mostly naktalk, with the naktalk messages not being in chronological order.  I know we have been having problems with our network on campus.  Napster and programs like that have been heavily used in the past couple weeks.  There have even been video files (whole movies) downloaded on our single T-1 line, which serves the whole campus.  Even if we get the proposed second T-1 line, the forty, or so, students using these bandwidth-hogging programs bring the network to its knees.  We have been adding filers to the router to block known sites for these downloads, but operating peer-to-peer makes it difficult to keep up with the filters.  We are adding filters every few hours.

Best to all,

Kent Merideth

>>> stephen_sank at rjknet.net 10/04/00 07:20PM >>>
I haven't received my comp copies of this month's EQ yet.  I am disappointed
to hear that the photographer did not include the end of the cable in the
picture.  The last six inches or so of the fat brown cable sprouts two
separate cables with ordinary XLR plugs.  Did he at least take a pic of the
mic with the top off, showing the two BK-6B mics?  It's a very cool bit of
nylon machining housing them.  The funny part is that the BK-6B, even in
this application, sounds way better than an actual BK-1A, which is a pretty
dreadful sounding dynamic mic.  Not one of my dad's designs, of course.
As for ribbon mic fragility, I have only seen ribbon elements damaged by
either idiots blowing into them or by plugging into an active phantom
powered line.  I've seen 77-DX's dropped on their heads with the screen
cages caved in that sounded perfectly fine.  Even the most extreme impact,
short of shattering a magnet, is very unlikely to hurt a ribbon, as the
aluminum is so thin that there is efectively no inertial mass(main reason
ribbons sound so natural).  The spec for the BK11 ribbon material, for
instance, is 14.5mg per four square inches of material, or about 3.6mg per
square inch.  Very hard to hold between your fingers without tearing.

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm 
1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Kent Merideth <kmeridet at anderson.edu>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 9:34 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Microphone article in EQ Magazine


>Hello all,
>
>Last night I read an article in the October issue of EQ Magazine about the
RCA "LBJ" Microphone.  Seems Lyndon Banes Johnson had a great dislike for
the "clutter" of microphones at any podium at which he was to speak.  In any
broadcast situation it is MANDATORY that there be a back-up mic, which means
two microphones.  RCA had a very ingenious designer that came up with
placing two complete RCA BK-6B miniature dynamic lavalier mics in a single
housing that appeared to be similar to their BK-1A, which LBJ was accustomed
to using.  The cable was even designed to look like the "standard" two
conductor shielded (now four conductor shielded) mic cable.  The two
elements, each having their dedicated shielded pair wiring, allowed the
back-up mic to be in the same housing as the primary mic.  This was
accomplished, during the 1964 re-election campaign, by a man named Jon R.
Sank, the father of Stephen Sank.
>
>Stephen, how was the pre-amp/mixer end of the mic cable connectorized?
Possibly two 3-pin XLRs?  Presume your expertise with ribbon mics is through
your Dad's many years of designing microphones for RCA, including ribbon
mics.  I believe the "fragile" reputation of ribbon mics is due to they
could be damaged by someone blowing into the mic, not from physically
handling the mic roughly.  Believe the mechanical suspension of the element
withstood a considerable amount of shock.
>
>Just a little microphone history/nostalgia for those of us that still
record on-location using various microphones.
>
>Help keep analog (sound) alive!
>
>Kent Merideth
>
>>>> wheijke at xs4all.nl 10/03/00 06:04AM >>>
>Hi all!
>
>From Oct 20 until Oct 24 Naks.com will be down due to the company I work
>for moving to another building.
>I hope the site will be down for less time but this depends on the
>network/firewall being available in the new building.
>So write this in your agenda and/or plan a Holiday ;-)
>
>Wouter
>
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From eslabs at snet.net  Fri Oct  6 17:40:24 2000
From: eslabs at snet.net (Jeffrey Galin)
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 11:40:24 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Soundspace Question
References: <2b.ba1b517.270ea13c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <009a01c02fab$c0830920$6401a8c0@2ndpc>

Sam,

I just came back from visiting Nakamichi this week.
The SoundSpace was designed after the B&O stuff!
B&O cancelled all their independent dealers last year.
They are only selling product through their B&O stores.
Nakamichi hired an ex-president of B&O to help with
the designs and marketing of the SoundSpace systems. 
The ebay sales go to the closest dealer to the purchaser.
Nakamichi wants to support their dealers.  I saw the 
insides and they look nice.  The B&O's are built like
German gear.  Real nice!!

We are factory authorized B&O service and have been
for over 25 years.  I assume that you have a  BS4000
not a BM4000?  Yes, it's plastic but high-tech plastic!


Sincerely,
Jeffrey Galin

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ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: <SBarr12393 at aol.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 11:30 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Soundspace Question


Hi Nak Talkers,

Does anyone own any of the Nak Soundspace systems?  There seems to always be 
an awful large number of these systems for sale on eBay.  Although I am not 
familiar with them, they do resemble the Bang & Olfusen Beosound gear.  Is 
the Soundspace gear "junk?"  And, btw - I really liked the sound from the B&O 
Beosound 6000 speakers and 4000 system.  However, it was poorly made (e.g. 
cheap plastic).  And, for the price I was really disappointed.  Does anyone 
on this list use B&O? You can respond to me directly as the list is dedicated 
to NAK.  Thanks!

-Sam 
I will have my CR-7 soon man!
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From eslabs at snet.net  Fri Oct  6 17:59:53 2000
From: eslabs at snet.net (Jeffrey Galin)
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 11:59:53 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak Kamikazie Decks.....
References: <JLBFOMLJPJCJGAAA@angelfire.com> <LAW-OE3Boe2U8QVjp3b0000010e@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <00bb01c02fae$b8a96ca0$6401a8c0@2ndpc>

This is his email!!

info at niro.net 

Sincerely,
Jeffrey Galin

"Nakamichi Serviced Here" by the experts at
ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS
1807 Berlin Turnpike 
Wethersfield, Connecticut  06109  USA
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Matyas" <Nakamikaze at hotmail.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 5:02 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak Kamikazie Decks.....


I can tell you Niro isn't dead yet !!!!!!!!!!!
I have a try to reach if he had an E-mail.

Man !

The old & venerable master is to be found and contact there ! :

Niro Nakamichi
Kodaira-city, Tokyo, Japan
100460.1126 at compuserve.com

I found him at :
http://people.yahoo.com/py/psEntry.py?srch=bas&slid=39DD91F0,1CC602F

Wouldn't be so great that he suscribes to our Naktalk Mailinglist ?
Niro ! if you are down there, let me know!!!!

Thy devoted Nakamikaze


----- Original Message -----
From: "The BlueSwapper" <blueswapper at angelfire.com>

> This is disappointing news.  Definately a stain upon the Nakamichi
reputation we all have looked upon favorably during the last thirty years.
DR-10, DR-8, DR-5, what could be coming next???
>
> Niro Nakamichi would certainly fall on his family ceremonial sword if he
was alive and knew what kind of gear is being marketed under his family
name.  Aieeeeee!!!!
>
> Blues




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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Fri Oct  6 19:16:55 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 11:16:55 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Microphone article in EQ Magazine
Message-ID: <001501c02fb9$3a831be0$7293bccf@sank1>

It has a pair of ordinary 3 pin XLR plugs at the end.

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
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-----Original Message-----
From: Kent Merideth <kmeridet at anderson.edu>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Friday, October 06, 2000 8:26 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Microphone article in EQ Magazine


>Stephen,
>
>Yes, they did show a view of the assembly containing the two BK-6B mics.
They listed the frequency response as 80 Hz to 12,000 Hz, which is more than
adequate for its intended purpose of speech pickup.  It is disappointing
they did not include a picture of the dual XLR connector end.  Was the mic
end hardwired or did it have a five pin configured XLR?
>
>Sorry for the delay in response.  I was about to send a message to Wouter
asking if I had been dropped from the mailing list; three messages in two
days.  This morning I had over 80 messages, mostly naktalk, with the naktalk
messages not being in chronological order.  I know we have been having
problems with our network on campus.  Napster and programs like that have
been heavily used in the past couple weeks.  There have even been video
files (whole movies) downloaded on our single T-1 line, which serves the
whole campus.  Even if we get the proposed second T-1 line, the forty, or
so, students using these bandwidth-hogging programs bring the network to its
knees.  We have been adding filers to the router to block known sites for
these downloads, but operating peer-to-peer makes it difficult to keep up
with the filters.  We are adding filters every few hours.
>
>Best to all,
>
>Kent Merideth
>
>>>> stephen_sank at rjknet.net 10/04/00 07:20PM >>>
>I haven't received my comp copies of this month's EQ yet.  I am
disappointed
>to hear that the photographer did not include the end of the cable in the
>picture.  The last six inches or so of the fat brown cable sprouts two
>separate cables with ordinary XLR plugs.  Did he at least take a pic of the
>mic with the top off, showing the two BK-6B mics?  It's a very cool bit of
>nylon machining housing them.  The funny part is that the BK-6B, even in
>this application, sounds way better than an actual BK-1A, which is a pretty
>dreadful sounding dynamic mic.  Not one of my dad's designs, of course.
>As for ribbon mic fragility, I have only seen ribbon elements damaged by
>either idiots blowing into them or by plugging into an active phantom
>powered line.  I've seen 77-DX's dropped on their heads with the screen
>cages caved in that sounded perfectly fine.  Even the most extreme impact,
>short of shattering a magnet, is very unlikely to hurt a ribbon, as the
>aluminum is so thin that there is efectively no inertial mass(main reason
>ribbons sound so natural).  The spec for the BK11 ribbon material, for
>instance, is 14.5mg per four square inches of material, or about 3.6mg per
>square inch.  Very hard to hold between your fingers without tearing.
>
>Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
>Champlain Valley Speaker Company
>http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
>1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
>Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Kent Merideth <kmeridet at anderson.edu>
>To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
>Date: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 9:34 AM
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Microphone article in EQ Magazine
>
>
>>Hello all,
>>
>>Last night I read an article in the October issue of EQ Magazine about the
>RCA "LBJ" Microphone.  Seems Lyndon Banes Johnson had a great dislike for
>the "clutter" of microphones at any podium at which he was to speak.  In
any
>broadcast situation it is MANDATORY that there be a back-up mic, which
means
>two microphones.  RCA had a very ingenious designer that came up with
>placing two complete RCA BK-6B miniature dynamic lavalier mics in a single
>housing that appeared to be similar to their BK-1A, which LBJ was
accustomed
>to using.  The cable was even designed to look like the "standard" two
>conductor shielded (now four conductor shielded) mic cable.  The two
>elements, each having their dedicated shielded pair wiring, allowed the
>back-up mic to be in the same housing as the primary mic.  This was
>accomplished, during the 1964 re-election campaign, by a man named Jon R.
>Sank, the father of Stephen Sank.
>>
>>Stephen, how was the pre-amp/mixer end of the mic cable connectorized?
>Possibly two 3-pin XLRs?  Presume your expertise with ribbon mics is
through
>your Dad's many years of designing microphones for RCA, including ribbon
>mics.  I believe the "fragile" reputation of ribbon mics is due to they
>could be damaged by someone blowing into the mic, not from physically
>handling the mic roughly.  Believe the mechanical suspension of the element
>withstood a considerable amount of shock.
>>
>>Just a little microphone history/nostalgia for those of us that still
>record on-location using various microphones.
>>
>>Help keep analog (sound) alive!
>>
>>Kent Merideth
>>
>>>>> wheijke at xs4all.nl 10/03/00 06:04AM >>>
>>Hi all!
>>
>>From Oct 20 until Oct 24 Naks.com will be down due to the company I work
>>for moving to another building.
>>I hope the site will be down for less time but this depends on the
>>network/firewall being available in the new building.
>>So write this in your agenda and/or plan a Holiday ;-)
>>
>>Wouter
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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Fri Oct  6 19:49:37 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 11:49:37 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Re: used BX-300 on ebay
Message-ID: <005601c02fbd$cc501a60$7293bccf@sank1>

The cassette well plate should be no problem to get, but it is doubtful that
you'll be able to get a door from Nak.  At least you can easily see that it
needs the gear upgrade!

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
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-----Original Message-----
From: Ryan McNabb <longrifles at yahoo.com>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Friday, October 06, 2000 7:24 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Re: used BX-300 on ebay


>There's a BX-300 on ebay that looks pretty good, but it's
>missing the tape well cover door and an internal covering plate
>of some kind.  Has anyone seen this listing?  Are these parts
>difficult to find for replacement?  It looks as though it will
>probably sell for a pretty low bid, maybe less than I paid for
>my BX-100.  Is the 300 definitely a better deck due to its
>3-head configuration, or are there other issues at play with
>this deck?
>
>Thanks
>Ryan McNabb
>
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From blueswapper at angelfire.com  Sat Oct  7 01:05:07 2000
From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper)
Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 16:05:07 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nak(amikazie) Decks....
Message-ID: <LGKNBHCFLOAOGAAA@angelfire.com>

Matyas!  Clever new Nak(fanatic) email address you've got now!!!  Very clever......

Thank goodness you're both alive and kicking!  Actually, I meant Niro Nakamichi's elder, who most likely would have fallen upon the ceremonial sword if his family name was disgraced.  Simply some humorous wordplay on my part, no harm intended.  I certainly don't wish to be disrespectful to a living legend of audio technology development, who has done so many great and innovative things during the past decades.

My apologies, if Mr Nakamichi happens to see this NakTalk email message in the future.  Matyas, you should email him and invite him to join us.  Wouldn't that be something if he subscribed......

Blues

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Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 11:02:59 +0200
From: "Matyas" <Nakamikaze at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak Kamikazie Decks.....

I can tell you Niro isn't dead yet !!!!!!!
I have a try to reach if he had an E-mail.

Man !

The old & venerable master is to be found and contact there ! :

Niro Nakamichi
Kodaira-city, Tokyo, Japan
100460.1126 at compuserve.com

I found him at :
                   http://people.yahoo.com/py/psEntry.py?srch=bas&slid=39DD91F0,1CC602F

Wouldn't be so great that he subscribes to our Naktalk Mailinglist ? Niro ! if you are down there, let me know!!!!

Thy devoted Nakamikaze


----- Original Message -----
From: "The BlueSwapper" <blueswapper at angelfire.com>

> This is disappointing news.  Definately a stain upon the Nakamichi reputation we all have looked upon favorably during the last thirty years. DR-10, DR-8, DR-5, what could be coming next???
>
> Niro Nakamichi would certainly fall on his ceremonial sword if he was alive and knew what kind of gear is being marketed under his family name.  Aieeeeee!!!!
>
> Blues
>
>






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From enoyes at snet.net  Sat Oct  7 05:47:26 2000
From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes)
Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 23:47:26 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Used BX-300 on ebay w/no door
References: <20001006125201.12733.qmail@web515.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <39DE9CCB.C5B6F9E1@snet.net>

Ryan,

Here's an idea... take door and plate from your BX100... I'm almost positive that both are
identical. Then you'll have much better BX300 that's complete.

Ed

Ryan McNabb wrote:

> There's a BX-300 on ebay that looks pretty good, but it's
> missing the tape well cover door and an internal covering plate
> of some kind.  Has anyone seen this listing?  Are these parts
> difficult to find for replacement?  It looks as though it will
> probably sell for a pretty low bid, maybe less than I paid for
> my BX-100.  Is the 300 definitely a better deck due to its
> 3-head configuration, or are there other issues at play with
> this deck?
>
> Thanks
> Ryan McNabb
>
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From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com  Sat Oct  7 17:58:33 2000
From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas)
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 17:58:33 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] 680zx fluorescent meter
Message-ID: <LAW-OE48UAyNPPnOeCT00002a10@hotmail.com>

Hello,

Some times ago the fluorescent meter of my 680ZX was getting flickering in
the low level segments for about ~10 minutes, then after I power off my deck
and I re turn it on,
the meter was just able to produce  a very dim light before it goes off.

39 V zener diode is KO as well as the transistor 2sa473.

I already replace the transistor, but I dont have 39 V zener diode.
I have in my hand 16 V and 24 V zener to put in serial, then I will have a
40V polarisation.

I want to know if this 1 volt difference can be harmfull to the display
before I install them.

I bet the electrons will be apealled stronger, and as a result the light
intensity will increase slightly.
and I want also to know what is the lifetime of fluorescent powder in such
an unit ...

Thanks for your advice :-)

Matyas

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From raah at concentric.net  Sat Oct  7 19:00:25 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 13:00:25 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] 680zx fluorescent meter
References: <LAW-OE48UAyNPPnOeCT00002a10@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <39DF56A9.A1C2B5A8@concentric.net>

Matyas,

If the tolerance of the original Zener diode is 5% (I
am assuming 5%, because 2% diodes are considerably
more expensive), the circuit must be designed for any
voltage from 37.05V to 40.95V. If your Zeners are also
5%, it is possible (even likely) that their voltage is
less than 40.95V, so they are probably OK to use. Try
to connect your diodes and measure the voltage right
across the diodes. If it's within the range above, you
are fine. 

The display specification will generally include
operating voltage and maximum voltage. It is unlikely
that operating with 1V more (that's only 2.5% more) will
exceed the max specification. The display should survive
a quick measurement even if your diodes are actually 1V
too high. If you absolutely want to play it safe, do not
connect the display before applying power, or do the
measurement very quickly.

Good luck,

-- Ron


Matyas wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Some times ago the fluorescent meter of my 680ZX was getting flickering in
> the low level segments for about ~10 minutes, then after I power off my deck
> and I re turn it on,
> the meter was just able to produce  a very dim light before it goes off.
> 
> 39 V zener diode is KO as well as the transistor 2sa473.
> 
> I already replace the transistor, but I dont have 39 V zener diode.
> I have in my hand 16 V and 24 V zener to put in serial, then I will have a
> 40V polarisation.
> 
> I want to know if this 1 volt difference can be harmfull to the display
> before I install them.
> 
> I bet the electrons will be apealled stronger, and as a result the light
> intensity will increase slightly.
> and I want also to know what is the lifetime of fluorescent powder in such
> an unit ...
> 
> Thanks for your advice :-)
> 
> Matyas
> 
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From nikkki at com2com.ru  Sat Oct  7 20:14:22 2000
From: nikkki at com2com.ru (Nick Igritski)
Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 22:14:22 +0400
Subject: [naktalk] Tune-up nuances of a Nak
References: <001801c02aa0$00c94be0$7293bccf@sank1>
Message-ID: <39DF67FE.FC48B6EC@com2com.ru>

Can anybody of Nak-gurus lucidly explain to me the following:

1. What is 'bias trap' (or 'bias leakage') and 'recording equalization peaking'?

2. What is affected (and which way) by misadjusted coils for correction of the Rec.
Amp. bias Trap, Playb. Amp. bias trap and Rec. Equaliz. Peaking respectively?

Many thanks in advance

Nick
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From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com  Sat Oct  7 20:52:53 2000
From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas)
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 20:52:53 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] 680zx fluorescent meter
References: <LAW-OE48UAyNPPnOeCT00002a10@hotmail.com> <39DF56A9.A1C2B5A8@concentric.net>
Message-ID: <LAW-OE12goFT3kMUVfN000001ae@hotmail.com>

Thank you Ron, I will do it on monday night.
The cause of death of the display bias circuit is due to my experiment to
eliminate
the non acceptable noise my display produces in all the audio circuits.(a
high pitched hum noise)
very audible.
I was trying to filter the heater tension, with Pi filer and the noise was
louder than before,
even it was audible through the coils ...

After I done a mod, guided by my friend's 1000ZXL schematics, I find both
bias circuits identical
exept a filtering 100uF capacitor on -39v output and a 33k resistor coupling
both commons leads of
secondary coils of the power transformer.    I modify my deck by the way,
and no ameliorations occured.
So I tempt to fit a more effective capacitor 1500 uF 450V, and a slight step
forward was feel ...
But I bet the pollution source come from the heater 2.5V and the solution is
I think, to heat with DC current.

The display dies after ~2 day of use with the only 1000ZXL mod inside.

What did you think about that bloody noise ?

Matyas

Ron <raah at concentric.net> wrotes:
> Matyas,
>
> If the tolerance of the original Zener diode is 5% (I
> am assuming 5%, because 2% diodes are considerably
> more expensive), the circuit must be designed for any
> voltage from 37.05V to 40.95V. If your Zeners are also
> 5%, it is possible (even likely) that their voltage is
> less than 40.95V, so they are probably OK to use. Try
> to connect your diodes and measure the voltage right
> across the diodes. If it's within the range above, you
> are fine.
>
> The display specification will generally include
> operating voltage and maximum voltage. It is unlikely
> that operating with 1V more (that's only 2.5% more) will
> exceed the max specification. The display should survive
> a quick measurement even if your diodes are actually 1V
> too high. If you absolutely want to play it safe, do not
> connect the display before applying power, or do the
> measurement very quickly.
>
> Good luck,
>
> -- Ron
>
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From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com  Sat Oct  7 21:07:15 2000
From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas)
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 21:07:15 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nak(amikazie) Decks....
Message-ID: <LAW-OE19aSOiz8JDx2I00000da5@hotmail.com>

Blues, I think that the honour to invite Niro Nakamichi among us belong to
our friend Wouter Heijke.

Matyas

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From: "The BlueSwapper" <blueswapper at angelfire.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Cc: "Matyas" <Nakamikaze at hotmail.com>; "Mr Blues"
<blueswapper at angelfire.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2000 1:05 AM
Subject: 

> Matyas!  Clever new Nak(fanatic) email address you've got now!!!  Very
clever......
>
> Thank goodness you're both alive and kicking!  Actually, I meant Niro
Nakamichi's elder, who most likely would have fallen upon the ceremonial
sword if his family name was disgraced.  Simply some humorous wordplay on my
part, no harm intended.  I certainly don't wish to be disrespectful to a
living legend of audio technology development, who has done so many great
and innovative things during the past decades.
>
> My apologies, if Mr Nakamichi happens to see this NakTalk email message in
the future.  Matyas, you should email him and invite him to join us.
Wouldn't that be something if he subscribed......
>
> Blues
>
> ---
> Help keep the blues alive!  Got Some???
> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 11:02:59 +0200
> From: "Matyas" <Nakamikaze at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak Kamikazie Decks.....
>
> I can tell you Niro isn't dead yet !!!!!!!
> I have a try to reach if he had an E-mail.
>
> Man !
>
> The old & venerable master is to be found and contact there ! :
>
> Niro Nakamichi
> Kodaira-city, Tokyo, Japan
> 100460.1126 at compuserve.com
>
> I found him at :
>
http://people.yahoo.com/py/psEntry.py?srch=bas&slid=39DD91F0,1CC602F
>
> Wouldn't be so great that he subscribes to our Naktalk Mailinglist ? Niro
! if you are down there, let me know!!!!
>
> Thy devoted Nakamikaze
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "The BlueSwapper" <blueswapper at angelfire.com>
>
> > This is disappointing news.  Definately a stain upon the Nakamichi
reputation we all have looked upon favorably during the last thirty years.
DR-10, DR-8, DR-5, what could be coming next???
> >
> > Niro Nakamichi would certainly fall on his ceremonial sword if he was
alive and knew what kind of gear is being marketed under his family name.
Aieeeeee!!!!
> >
> > Blues


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From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua  Sat Oct  7 22:42:07 2000
From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM)
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 22:42:07 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Tune-up nuances of a Nak
References: <001801c02aa0$00c94be0$7293bccf@sank1> <39DF67FE.FC48B6EC@com2com.ru>
Message-ID: <001201c0309f$101c5740$0100007f@boom>

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������ ������ �������, �������� ��� ������������� ����!
� ������ ������:
> 1. What is 'bias trap' (or 'bias leakage') and 'recording equalization
peaking'?
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> 2. What is affected (and which way) by misadjusted coils for correction of
the Rec.
> Amp. bias Trap,

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:)

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From longrifles at yahoo.com  Sat Oct  7 22:23:34 2000
From: longrifles at yahoo.com (Ryan McNabb)
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 13:23:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Re: BX-1 vs. BX-100
Message-ID: <20001007202334.25463.qmail@web515.mail.yahoo.com>


Hey - 
I just got my new BX-1 and wanted to know the difference between
it and a BX-100 made a few years later.  Is there a
quality/sound difference between the two?  And what of the
BX-125?

Thanks
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sat Oct  7 22:40:51 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 21:40:51 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Tune-up nuances of a Nak
In-Reply-To: <001201c0309f$101c5740$0100007f@boom>
Message-ID: <000c01c0309e$e1b25260$d831883e@a4s1s2>

What language is that?!  I suspect someone is using a Cyrillic character set
....

Graham

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> MVM
> Sent: 07 October 2000 21:42
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tune-up nuances of a Nak
>
>
> ðÒÉ×ÅÔ,
>
> þÕÀ, ÞÔÏ 600 ËÏ×ÙÒÑÅÛØ? îÅ ÓÔÏÉÔ, ÏÎ ×ÒÏÄÅ ÂÙÌ × ÈÏÒÏÛÅÊ ÆÏÒÍÅ.
> åÄÉÎÓÔ×ÅÎÎÏÅ - ÔÙ ÎÁ×ÅÒÎÑËÁ Õ×ÉÄÅÌ Ä×Á ÓÔÁÂÉÌÉÔÒÏÎÁ - ÜÔÏ Ñ ÐÏÄÂÉÒÁÌ
> ÎÕÖÎÏÅ ÎÁÐÒÑÖÅÎÉÅ :) á ÉÚ ÒÅÇÕÌÉÒÏ×ÏË - ÏÊ, ÎÅ ÓÔÏÉÔ, ÅÊ ÂÏÇÕ, ÎÅ ÓÔÏÉÔ
> ÎÉÞÅÇÏ ÓÉÌØÎÏ ËÒÕÔÉÔØ, ÏÓÏÂÅÎÎÏ ÂÅÚ ÉÚÍÅÒÉÔÅÌØÎÙÈ ÌÅÎÔ!
> á ÔÅÐÅÒØ ÏÔ×ÅÔÙ:
> > 1. What is 'bias trap' (or 'bias leakage') and 'recording equalization
> peaking'?
> üÔÏ ÆÉÌØÔÒ ÎÁ ×ÙÈÏÄÅ õú, ÞÔÏÂÙ ÓÉÇÎÁÌ ÐÏÄÍÁÇÎÉÞÉ×ÁÎÉÑ ÎÅ ÐÒÏÌÁÚÉÌ × õú.
> åÇÏ ÍÏÖÎÏ ÎÁÓÔÒÁÉ×ÁÔØ ÎÁ ÍÉÎÉÍÕÍ ÐÅÒÅÍÅÎËÉ ÐÒÉ ×ËÌÀÞÅÎÏÊ ÚÁÐÉÓÉ É
> ÏÔÓÕÔÓÔ×ÉÉ ÓÉÇÎÁÌÁ.
> ÷ÔÏÒÏÊ - ÜÔÏ áþè ÐÒÅÄÉÓËÁÖÅÎÉÊ × õú.
>
> > 2. What is affected (and which way) by misadjusted coils for
> correction of
> the Rec.
> > Amp. bias Trap,
>
> õú ÂÕÄÅÔ ÓÅÂÑ ÐÌÏÈÏ ÞÕ×ÓÔ×Ï×ÁÔØ, ×ÓÑËÁÑ ËÁËÁ ÂÕÄÅÔ ÐÒÏÉÓÈÏÄÉÔØ.
>
> Playb. Amp. bias trap
>
> ÷ ÎÁÌÉÞÉÉ ÔÁËÏÊ ÆÉÞÉ Ñ ÎÅ Õ×ÅÒÅÎ - ÎÁÆÉÇÁ? æÉÌØÔÒ-ÐÒÏÂËÁ ÔÏÌØËÏ × õú
> ÓÔÁ×ÉÔÓÑ :)
>
> Rec. Equaliz. Peaking respectively?
>
> éÚÍÅÎÑÔÓÑ ÈÁÒÁËÔÅÒÉÓÔÉËÉ ÔÒÁËÔÁ ÚÁÐÉÓÉ, ÂÕÄÅÔ ÏÞÅÎØ ÓÌÏÖÎÏ ÐÒÁ×ÉÌØÎÏ
> ×ÙÓÔÁ×ÉÔØ
> ÐÏÄÍÁÇÎÉÞÉ×ÁÎÉÅ. ïÂÙÞÎÏ ÎÁ ÚÁ×ÏÄÅ áþè ÕÓÉÌÉÔÅÌÑ ÚÁÐÉÓÉ ÓÔÁ×ÑÔÓÑ
> ÐÏ ÜÔÁÌÏÎÎÏÊ
> ÌÅÎÔÅ. ôÅÂÅ ÓÁÍÏÍÕ ÐÒÁ×ÉÌØÎÏ ÎÅ ÎÁÓÔÒÏÉÔØ - ÔÁË ÞÔÏ, ÌÕÞÛÅ ÎÅ ËÒÕÔÉ.
>
> éÚ ÌÉÞÎÏÇÏ ÏÐÙÔÁ - ÎÅ ÓÔÏÉÔ ËÒÕÔÉÔØ ÎÉÞÅÇÏ, ËÒÏÍÅ ÕÒÏ×ÎÑ ÚÁÐÉÓÉ É ÔÏËÁ
> ÐÏÄÍÁÇÎÉÞÉ×ÁÎÉÑ -
> ÜÔÉ ÐÁÒÁÍÅÔÒÙ ÍÏÖÎÏ ×ÙÓÔÁ×ÌÑÔØ ÐÒÉ ÎÁÌÉÞÉÉ ÇÅÎÅÒÁÔÏÒÁ É ÍÉÌÉ×ÏÌØÔÍÅÔÒÁ.
> äÁÌÅÅ, ÅÓÌÉ ÅÓÔØ _ðòá÷éìøîáñ!!!_ ÔÅÓÔÏ×ÁÑ ÌÅÎÔÁ, ÔÏ ÍÏÖÎÏ ×ÙÓÔÒÁÉ×ÁÔØ
> ÕÒÏ×ÅÎØ ×ÏÓÐÒÏÉÚ×ÅÄÅÎÉÑ, É ÅÓÌÉ ÅÓÔØ ÌÅÎÔÁ Ó ÐÁÞËÁÍÉ - ÔÏ ËÏÒÒÅËÃÉÀ
> ×ÏÓÐÒÏÉÚ×ÅÄÅÎÉÑ.
> äÁ, ÆÉÌØÔÒ ÐÒÏÂËÕ - ÐÏ ÍÉÎÉÍÕÍÕ ÐÒÏÎÉËÁÎÉÑ ÷þ ÓÉÇÎÁÌÁ ÎÁ ×ÙÈÏÄ õú.
> á ×ÏÔ ËÏÒÒÅËÃÉÀ õú - ÔÏÌØËÏ ÅÓÌÉ ÔÙ ÄÅÊÓÔ×ÉÔÅÌØÎÏ Õ×ÅÒÅÎ × ÔÏÍ,
> ÞÔÏ ÄÅÌÁÅÛØ
> :)
>
> íÉÛÁ
>
>
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From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua  Sun Oct  8 00:45:48 2000
From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM)
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 00:45:48 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Tune-up nuances of a Nak
References: <000c01c0309e$e1b25260$d831883e@a4s1s2>
Message-ID: <005b01c030b0$578e6120$0100007f@boom>

Conspiracy, you know... KGB exploring new ways of sending messages
for secret Nakamichi agents :)

Sorry guys I just hit "replay" buttons...

> What language is that?!  I suspect someone is using a Cyrillic character
set
> ....
>
> Graham

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From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua  Sun Oct  8 00:48:24 2000
From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM)
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 00:48:24 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Re: BX-1 vs. BX-100
References: <20001007202334.25463.qmail@web515.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <006101c030b0$b5f0ac00$0100007f@boom>

Hi,

BX-1 and BX-100 practicaly identical. Different design. No sonical
or quality differences at all. BX-125 has "Dolby C".

Misha

> Hey - 
> I just got my new BX-1 and wanted to know the difference between
> it and a BX-100 made a few years later.  Is there a
> quality/sound difference between the two?  And what of the
> BX-125?
> 
> Thanks
> Ryan McNabb

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From kohnb at outrider.triton.net  Sun Oct  8 00:04:41 2000
From: kohnb at outrider.triton.net (kohnb at outrider.triton.net)
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 18:04:41 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Couple quick questions re MR-1s/670ZX
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0010071800510.23563-100000@outrider.triton.net>


Hi,

  These may be stupid questions to some of you but I've not found the
answers I'm looking for on Google.. hope someone can help a new Nak owner.

  1) Is the 1/4" XLR I/O on the MR-1 digital or analog?
  2) How does the MR-1 compare in sound quality to my 670ZX?

  3) What is a good way to check the condition of the heads in my 670ZX?
  4) If the answer to question 1 is analog, are there any cassette decks
	with digital I/O?

Thanks for any insight you folks can offer,
Ben

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From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua  Sun Oct  8 01:26:19 2000
From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM)
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 01:26:19 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Couple quick questions re MR-1s/670ZX
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0010071800510.23563-100000@outrider.triton.net>
Message-ID: <00e801c030b6$00f967a0$0100007f@boom>

Hi,

>   These may be stupid questions to some of you but I've not found the
> answers I'm looking for on Google.. hope someone can help a new Nak owner.
>
>   1) Is the 1/4" XLR I/O on the MR-1 digital or analog?

This is standard balansed analog connectors. Used in pro-audio.

>   2) How does the MR-1 compare in sound quality to my 670ZX?

670ZX should be better - better transport, good calibration facilities.

>   3) What is a good way to check the condition of the heads in my 670ZX?

Take a look on it! Use small light and magnifying glass.

>   4) If the answer to question 1 is analog, are there any cassette decks
> with digital I/O?

What for? There was some AIWA with internal DAC but I see no reason for such
a things! If you need to make recordings from digital source - all you need
is a good
external DAC.

Misha
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From kohnb at outrider.triton.net  Sun Oct  8 00:52:13 2000
From: kohnb at outrider.triton.net (kohnb at outrider.triton.net)
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 18:52:13 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Couple quick questions re MR-1s/670ZX
In-Reply-To: <00e801c030b6$00f967a0$0100007f@boom>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0010071849480.25225-100000@outrider.triton.net>

On Sun, 8 Oct 2000, MVM wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> >   These may be stupid questions to some of you but I've not found the
> > answers I'm looking for on Google.. hope someone can help a new Nak owner.
> >
> >   1) Is the 1/4" XLR I/O on the MR-1 digital or analog?
> 
> This is standard balansed analog connectors. Used in pro-audio.

OK, thanks. That's what I was thinking but I saw conflicting information
on different sites and was unsure.
 
> >   2) How does the MR-1 compare in sound quality to my 670ZX?
> 
> 670ZX should be better - better transport, good calibration facilities.
>
> >   3) What is a good way to check the condition of the heads in my 670ZX?
> 
> Take a look on it! Use small light and magnifying glass.

I guess the better question would be, what should I look for. I do know
which part are the heads, so I'm not completely lost. ;-)
 
> >   4) If the answer to question 1 is analog, are there any cassette decks
> > with digital I/O?
> 
> What for? There was some AIWA with internal DAC but I see no reason
> for such a things! If you need to make recordings from digital source
> - all you need is a good external DAC.

Actually, it's for mastering some old cassette masters to my Tascam
DA-20MKII DAT deck. If the connecters were digital I would've plugged it
into my Sek'd Prodif Plus instead of the analog connections on the Tascam.

Thanks for the response,
Ben

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From SBarr12393 at aol.com  Sun Oct  8 01:30:33 2000
From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 19:30:33 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] NAK 101 - Tape Head Demag & Cleaning
Message-ID: <81.12d8d1f.27110c19@aol.com>

Hi Nak Talkers,

May I ask another "baby" question of the group?  What is the preferred method 
for head demag and cleaning?

I currently use a TEAC head demag unit in the shape of a cassette with a 
battery and level light.  You simply place it in your deck, turn all volume 
controls to 0, and press play for approx. 5-7 seconds.  I've seen several NAK 
demag tools for sale on eBay and would like to know is there any difference 
in using the cassette mechanism vs. the probe-shaped demag devices?

Also, throughout the years I've used alcohol and extended cotton swabs to 
clean my tape heads.  However, I also use a cassette-shaped tape cleaner for 
my car deck that has removable pads.  The cassette-shaped cleaner also 
contains pads to clean the rollers.  Has anyone experienced any damage to 
their decks using the cassette-shell cleaners vs. the cotton swab method?  I 
really want to maximize the life of my TEAC and forthcoming CR-7a and would 
appreciate any advise you could offer.  Thanks and God bless you all!

-Sam
Ephesians 4:13
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From Modernizy at netscape.net  Sun Oct  8 07:47:34 2000
From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick)
Date: 8 Oct 00 07:47:34 MSK
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 700 TAS review
Message-ID: <20001008044734.3767.qmail@www0s.netaddress.usa.net>

Dear Marc and other Naktalkers!

I wrote to Stereophile and they promised to place all their Nakamichi reviews
online. So let's keep track of them.

Nicholas.

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From jannissu at worldonline.nl  Sun Oct  8 10:51:39 2000
From: jannissu at worldonline.nl (Jannis)
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 10:51:39 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7
Message-ID: <006b01c03105$25908680$73e3f1c3@mypc>

Hi fellows,

I have the chance to buy a CR-7E.  

the Serial Nr.: A 0130 03125.

The price is 1400.- DM exclusive porto.

The guy says that the deck has had no gear update and has not been serviced for a long time. Based on Stephen's information I assume that the deck has not had an EQ correction either (although neither I nor the seller know what an EQ correction is).

Given the above do you fellow Nakknowers think that the price the seller asks is fair?

Jannis Soulantikas 


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From mhugo at sunint.co.za  Sun Oct  8 11:32:58 2000
From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo)
Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 11:32:58 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Gramophone Magazine webpage
Message-ID: <39E03F4A.246A4534@sunint.co.za>

Hey Guys,

On Gramophone Magazine's web page (www.gramophone.co.uk) the "click
here" button for 'hi-fi for music lovers' is a Nakamichi Cassette Deck -
quite rightly.  By the looks of it, a DR series, probably a DR-10.

Incidently, their reviews are, although subjective, informative and
accurate.

So it seems there are still people out there who haven't yet traded
fidelity for convenience. Or the 'cool' factor.

Cheers, MARC

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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sun Oct  8 13:02:19 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 12:02:19 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Tune-up nuances of a Nak
In-Reply-To: <005b01c030b0$578e6120$0100007f@boom>
Message-ID: <000101c03117$3a52fd20$7b31883e@a4s1s2>

Right ... I should have known because my limited edition KGB watch was
making strange bleeping noises ...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> MVM
> Sent: 07 October 2000 23:46
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tune-up nuances of a Nak
>
>
> Conspiracy, you know... KGB exploring new ways of sending messages
> for secret Nakamichi agents :)
>
> Sorry guys I just hit "replay" buttons...
>
> > What language is that?!  I suspect someone is using a Cyrillic character
> set
> > ....
> >
> > Graham
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sun Oct  8 13:11:34 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 12:11:34 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 700 TAS review
In-Reply-To: <20001008044734.3767.qmail@www0s.netaddress.usa.net>
Message-ID: <000c01c03118$84fb1f00$7b31883e@a4s1s2>

Well done, Nick!  Ace work!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> Nick
> Sent: 08 October 2000 08:48
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] Nak 700 TAS review
> 
> 
> Dear Marc and other Naktalkers!
> 
> I wrote to Stereophile and they promised to place all their 
> Nakamichi reviews
> online. So let's keep track of them.
> 
> Nicholas.
> 
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From blueswapper at angelfire.com  Sun Oct  8 16:06:55 2000
From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper)
Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 07:06:55 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Degaussing Methods, etc....
Message-ID: <BJLDDDHBGLAGHAAA@angelfire.com>

Sam - The cassette deck degaussing and general user maintenance subject was covered extensively about six months ago. If someone of the membership has a comprehensive archive of NakTalk Digests, they may be able to forward you several informative email postings.  I was hoping to create a cassette deck degaussing FAQ last winter;  Alas, I haven't made much progress.  Here's the website address:

http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/demag.html

Perhaps during the coming winter months I will gather enough energy and information to finish that little project!

Nicholas, great idea contacting Stereophile Magazine about Nak review articles!  I'm looking forward to the day those are viewable on the internet!!  How far back does Stereophile go?  They've been around for quite some time, possibly (in one form or another name) the early 1970s??

Blues 

---
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Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 19:30:33 EDT
From: SBarr12393 at aol.com
Subject: [naktalk] NAK 101 - Tape Head Demag & Cleaning

Hi Nak Talkers,

May I ask another "baby" question of the group?  What is the preferred method for head demag and cleaning?

I currently use a TEAC head demag unit in the shape of a cassette with a battery and level light.  You simply place it in your deck, turn all volume controls to 0, and press play for approx. 5-7 seconds.  I've seen several NAK demag tools for sale on eBay and would like to know is there any difference in using the cassette mechanism vs. the probe-shaped demag devices?

lso, throughout the years I've used alcohol and extended cotton swabs to clean my tape heads.  However, I also use a cassette-shaped tape cleaner for my car deck that has removable pads.  The cassette-shaped cleaner also contains pads to clean the rollers.  Has anyone experienced any damage to their decks using the cassette-shell cleaners vs. the cotton swab method?  I really want to maximize the life of my TEAC and forthcoming CR-7a and would 
appreciate any advise you could offer.  
                  
------------------------------

Date: 8 Oct 00 07:47:34 MSK
From: Nick <Modernizy at netscape.net>
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 700 TAS review

Dear Marc and other Naktalkers!

I wrote to Stereophile and they promised to place all their Nakamichi reviews
online. So let's keep track of them.

Nicholas

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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sun Oct  8 19:23:33 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 18:23:33 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Degaussing Methods, etc....
In-Reply-To: <BJLDDDHBGLAGHAAA@angelfire.com>
Message-ID: <000101c0314c$7c0ee3c0$d16743d4@a4s1s2>

Sam

I've got most of the postings regarding de-magging.  You want me to send
them?

Graham

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> The BlueSwapper
> Sent: 08 October 2000 15:07
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Cc: Mr Blues
> Subject: [naktalk] Degaussing Methods, etc....
>
>
> Sam - The cassette deck degaussing and general user maintenance
> subject was covered extensively about six months ago. If someone
> of the membership has a comprehensive archive of NakTalk Digests,
> they may be able to forward you several informative email
> postings.  I was hoping to create a cassette deck degaussing FAQ
> last winter;  Alas, I haven't made much progress.  Here's the
> website address:
>
> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/demag.html
>
> Perhaps during the coming winter months I will gather enough
> energy and information to finish that little project!
>
> Nicholas, great idea contacting Stereophile Magazine about Nak
> review articles!  I'm looking forward to the day those are
> viewable on the internet!!  How far back does Stereophile go?
> They've been around for quite some time, possibly (in one form or
> another name) the early 1970s??
>
> Blues
>
> ---
> Help keep the blues alive!  Got Some???
> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 19:30:33 EDT
> From: SBarr12393 at aol.com
> Subject: [naktalk] NAK 101 - Tape Head Demag & Cleaning
>
> Hi Nak Talkers,
>
> May I ask another "baby" question of the group?  What is the
> preferred method for head demag and cleaning?
>
> I currently use a TEAC head demag unit in the shape of a cassette
> with a battery and level light.  You simply place it in your
> deck, turn all volume controls to 0, and press play for approx.
> 5-7 seconds.  I've seen several NAK demag tools for sale on eBay
> and would like to know is there any difference in using the
> cassette mechanism vs. the probe-shaped demag devices?
>
> lso, throughout the years I've used alcohol and extended cotton
> swabs to clean my tape heads.  However, I also use a
> cassette-shaped tape cleaner for my car deck that has removable
> pads.  The cassette-shaped cleaner also contains pads to clean
> the rollers.  Has anyone experienced any damage to their decks
> using the cassette-shell cleaners vs. the cotton swab method?  I
> really want to maximize the life of my TEAC and forthcoming CR-7a
> and would
> appreciate any advise you could offer.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: 8 Oct 00 07:47:34 MSK
> From: Nick <Modernizy at netscape.net>
> Subject: [naktalk] Nak 700 TAS review
>
> Dear Marc and other Naktalkers!
>
> I wrote to Stereophile and they promised to place all their
> Nakamichi reviews
> online. So let's keep track of them.
>
> Nicholas
>
> ------------------------------
>
>
>
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Sun Oct  8 20:28:38 2000
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 20:28:38 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] 680zx fluorescent meter
References: <LAW-OE48UAyNPPnOeCT00002a10@hotmail.com> <39DF56A9.A1C2B5A8@concentric.net> <LAW-OE12goFT3kMUVfN000001ae@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <39E0BCD5.7CBADE4A@xs4all.nl>

Hi Matyas,

The service manual for the 680ZX is downloadable from the ftp server in case you didn't
know...:

ftp://ftp.naks.com/pub/manuals/service/english/

Regards,

Wouter


Matyas wrote:

> Thank you Ron, I will do it on monday night.
> The cause of death of the display bias circuit is due to my experiment to
> eliminate
> the non acceptable noise my display produces in all the audio circuits.(a
> high pitched hum noise)
> very audible.
> I was trying to filter the heater tension, with Pi filer and the noise was
> louder than before,
> even it was audible through the coils ...
>
> After I done a mod, guided by my friend's 1000ZXL schematics, I find both
> bias circuits identical
> exept a filtering 100uF capacitor on -39v output and a 33k resistor coupling
> both commons leads of
> secondary coils of the power transformer.    I modify my deck by the way,
> and no ameliorations occured.
> So I tempt to fit a more effective capacitor 1500 uF 450V, and a slight step
> forward was feel ...
> But I bet the pollution source come from the heater 2.5V and the solution is
> I think, to heat with DC current.
>
> The display dies after ~2 day of use with the only 1000ZXL mod inside.
>
> What did you think about that bloody noise ?
>
> Matyas
>
> Ron <raah at concentric.net> wrotes:
> > Matyas,
> >
> > If the tolerance of the original Zener diode is 5% (I
> > am assuming 5%, because 2% diodes are considerably
> > more expensive), the circuit must be designed for any
> > voltage from 37.05V to 40.95V. If your Zeners are also
> > 5%, it is possible (even likely) that their voltage is
> > less than 40.95V, so they are probably OK to use. Try
> > to connect your diodes and measure the voltage right
> > across the diodes. If it's within the range above, you
> > are fine.
> >
> > The display specification will generally include
> > operating voltage and maximum voltage. It is unlikely
> > that operating with 1V more (that's only 2.5% more) will
> > exceed the max specification. The display should survive
> > a quick measurement even if your diodes are actually 1V
> > too high. If you absolutely want to play it safe, do not
> > connect the display before applying power, or do the
> > measurement very quickly.
> >
> > Good luck,
> >
> > -- Ron

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From marc at stager.com  Sun Oct  8 21:12:41 2000
From: marc at stager.com (Marc Stager)
Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 15:12:41 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Couple quick questions re MR-1s/670ZX, Stereophile
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0010071800510.23563-100000@outrider.triton.n
 et>
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20001008140701.02830120@mail.flashcom.net>

IN answer to some questions from 10/7/00,

1) Is the 1/4" XLR I/O on the MR-1 digital or analog?

There is nothing digital in any cassette deck. All the
ins and outs, recording and play are analogue.

The 1/4 inch phone jacks on the MR-1 are just a different
style of connector than the typical RCA phono jacks.
Simply use an adaptor and any RCA type cable will work fine.
They work at consumer standard line level, unbalanced.

The XLR is a three pin balanced connector, delivering and
receiving a much higher voltage, +4 db, compared to the
consumer standard -10 db.
Below is an explanation of balanced operation glommed from
the pro audio FAQ.
ftp://recordist.com/rap-faq/rec.audio.pro_FAQ_%28v_0.9%29

"Professional transmission lines differ from consumer lines in two
ways.  First, consumer lines tend to run about 14 dB lower in level
than pro lines.  Second, professional lines run in differential, or
balanced, configuration.

In a single-ended line, the signal travels down one conductor and
returns along a shield.  This is the simplest form of audio
transmission, since it is essentially the same AC circuit you learned
about in high-school physics.  The problem here is that any noise
or interference that creeps into the line will simply get added to
the signal and you'll be stuck with it.

In a differential line, there are three conductors.  A shield, a
normal "hot" lead, and a third lead called the "cold" or "inverting"
lead, which carries a 180-degree inverted copy of the hot lead.  Any
interference that creeps into the cable thus affects both the hot and
cold leads equally.  At the receiving end, the hot and cold leads are
summed using a differential amplifier, and any interference that has
entered the circuit (called "common-mode information" since it is
common to both the hot and cold leads), gets canceled out.
Differential lines are thus better suited for long runs, or for
situations where noise or interference may be a factor."


2) How does the MR-1 compare in sound quality to my 670ZX?

I can only speak for the MR-1 which I bought new. The ins and
outs sound identical when used with a high quality type II or
type IV cassette. The machine is properly set up to pro standards,
not according to Nakamichi's goofy neophyte procedure.
(ie, YOU DO NOT USE BIAS FOR ADJUSTING FREQUENCY RESPONSE. YOU
BIAS FOR THE BEST COMPROMISE OF MAXIMUM OPUTPUT AT 400 HZ AND
MINIMUM HF DISTORTION, THEN YOU ADJUST THE RECORD EQ!!) - which
means you have to go inside the deck. The external adjusters give
you a barely acceptable result. The correct procedure to set up
a tape deck, any type of tape deck, is not brand-specific.

More on this in the pro audio FAQ, see link. Exception: the
white noise procedure does not work with a cassette deck
except one with heads in unworn condition and using metal tape
capable of an MOL of 0 db. The limitations of the cassette medium;
slow running speed and very small magnetic tracks, makes this
procedure likely to increase distortion at the expense of HF
extension. Given the choice I will always shoot for lowest
distortion first and extended freq. response second.
(Need I mention the play head has to be adjusted for perfect
azimuth, zenith, and height alignment with a calibrated test tape
and the play levels and EQ must be dead on?)

I find my MR-1 satisfactory, and the equal to my 582. Both are
discrete three head designs. 99.99% of the time you are not
listening to a cassette machine set up for peak performance.
If it is, the difference between any two three head Naks will
be inaudible. The weakest link will be the cassette tape itself.

3) If the heads don't show flat spots, then calibrate the deck
with a reference tape, set it up properly for recording and see
then listen to some wide range music. If it sounds good the heads are
fine. If the heads show any visible wear, they will not give you
a decent HF response, unless you force them to by underbiasing into
distortion.

....

 >> I wrote to Stereophile and they promised to place all their Nakamichi 
reviews
 >> online. So let's keep track of them.
 >> Nicholas.

Great, Nick. Thanks.

So far there aren't any reviews posted at the Stereophile site. This will
be a major policy change. Looking forward to them.

In the meantime, as I wrote previously, if anyone has those reviews,
scan them in a 300 dpi GIF and email them to me and I'll be glad
to PDF them to the Nak FTP site.

....

The first issue of Stereophile was published in October, 1962.

Have a good Nak.
(It's worth the effort)
_________________________ Marc Stager
http://marc.stager.com/silver/

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From SBarr12393 at aol.com  Mon Oct  9 00:55:42 2000
From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 18:55:42 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] Degaussing Methods, etc....
Message-ID: <16.3458950.2712556e@aol.com>

Thank you!
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From raah at concentric.net  Mon Oct  9 01:01:49 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 19:01:49 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] 680zx fluorescent meter
References: <LAW-OE48UAyNPPnOeCT00002a10@hotmail.com> <39DF56A9.A1C2B5A8@concentric.net> <LAW-OE12goFT3kMUVfN000001ae@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <39E0FCDD.FDBEA568@concentric.net>

Matyas wrote:
> 
> Thank you Ron, I will do it on monday night.
> The cause of death of the display bias circuit is due
> to my experiment to eliminate the non acceptable noise
> my display produces in all the audio circuits.(a high
> pitched hum noise) very audible.
> I was trying to filter the heater tension, with Pi
> filer and the noise was louder than before,
> even it was audible through the coils ...
> 
> After I done a mod, guided by my friend's 1000ZXL
> schematics, I find both bias circuits identical
> exept a filtering 100uF capacitor on -39v output
> and a 33k resistor coupling both commons leads of
> secondary coils of the power transformer.    I
> modify my deck by the way, and no ameliorations occured.
> So I tempt to fit a more effective capacitor 1500 uF
> 450V, and a slight step forward was feel ...

Matyas, if you put a large capacitor across the -38V, the
inrush current when you switch on can blow the transistor
(Q431?). Once the transistor base-collector shorts, the
diode
ZD401 will blow within a few milliseconds.

> But I bet the pollution source come from the heater 2.5V
> and the solution is I think, to heat with DC current.

Actually, the source of the noise could be the display
itself. I am not saying this is the case in your deck, but
some audio components, such as my Pioneer CLD-D704, allow
for switching the display off when not needed, due to
this reason.

> The display dies after ~2 day of use with the only 1000ZXL
> mod inside.
> 
> What did you think about that bloody noise ?

I think it may not make sense to modify the deck, because
all 680ZX decks work fine as is. The 'simplest' thing to
do is to substitute the display, to see if it is the
cause. Of course, this is not so simple if you do not have
a new display on hand :-). You could put a 'scope on the
+12V line and see if you see the noise when the display is
running.

Yes, you can try to supply DC heater power, but my gut
feeling is that it won't help. Should be easy to try 
with a fresh 1.5V battery (or two NiCd cells, for about
2.5V).

As a simple workaround for the whole problem, you can
route the -38V line through an external switch. Turn
on the display only when needed, then turn it off for
the actual recording (and, of course, for PB).

Let us know how you make out. Good luck,

-- Ron



> 
> Matyas
> 
> Ron <raah at concentric.net> wrotes:
> > Matyas,
> >
> > If the tolerance of the original Zener diode is 5% (I
> > am assuming 5%, because 2% diodes are considerably
> > more expensive), the circuit must be designed for any
> > voltage from 37.05V to 40.95V. If your Zeners are also
> > 5%, it is possible (even likely) that their voltage is
> > less than 40.95V, so they are probably OK to use. Try
> > to connect your diodes and measure the voltage right
> > across the diodes. If it's within the range above, you
> > are fine.
> >
> > The display specification will generally include
> > operating voltage and maximum voltage. It is unlikely
> > that operating with 1V more (that's only 2.5% more) will
> > exceed the max specification. The display should survive
> > a quick measurement even if your diodes are actually 1V
> > too high. If you absolutely want to play it safe, do not
> > connect the display before applying power, or do the
> > measurement very quickly.
> >
> > Good luck,
> >
> > -- Ron
> >
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From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua  Mon Oct  9 02:08:49 2000
From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM)
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 02:08:49 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Tune-up nuances of a Nak
References: <000101c03117$3a52fd20$7b31883e@a4s1s2>
Message-ID: <00d901c03185$1aab01c0$0100007f@boom>

Hey, my friend! You should visit me sometime, it's an order from the boss!
Yours watch indicated that you will be my contact in England for at least
ten
more years :))) (do you have enough Irish viskey in a stock?)

Misha


> Right ... I should have known because my limited edition KGB watch was
> making strange bleeping noises ...
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> > MVM
> > Sent: 07 October 2000 23:46
> > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tune-up nuances of a Nak
> >
> >
> > Conspiracy, you know... KGB exploring new ways of sending messages
> > for secret Nakamichi agents :)


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From Modernizy at netscape.net  Mon Oct  9 11:33:50 2000
From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick)
Date: 9 Oct 00 11:33:50 MSK
Subject: [naktalk] Re: etc...
Message-ID: <20001009083350.24882.qmail@www0m.netaddress.usa.net>

"The BlueSwapper" <blueswapper at angelfire.com> wrote:

>Nicholas, great idea contacting Stereophile Magazine about Nak review
>articles!  I'm looking forward to the day those are viewable on the
>internet!!  How far back does Stereophile go?  They've been around for >quite
some time, possibly (in one form or another name) the early 1970s??

>Blues 

Well, I don't know exactly but think they started almost at the same time as
The Absolute Sound (1973). What is more important they are still in business!


For example, earlier this month I tried to contact Audio magazine, but the
chief editor answered that Audio had ceased publication early this year. I
will really miss their October issue with Annual Equipment Directory.

Nicholas.

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From Modernizy at netscape.net  Mon Oct  9 11:42:17 2000
From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick)
Date: 9 Oct 00 11:42:17 MSK
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Stereophile
Message-ID: <20001009084217.21793.qmail@www0u.netaddress.usa.net>

Marc Stager <marc at stager.com> wrote:
IN answer to some questions from 10/7/00,


>Great, Nick. Thanks.

>So far there aren't any reviews posted at the Stereophile site. This will
>be a major policy change. Looking forward to them.

>In the meantime, as I wrote previously, if anyone has those reviews,
>scan them in a 300 dpi GIF and email them to me and I'll be glad
>to PDF them to the Nak FTP site.

>....

>The first issue of Stereophile was published in October, 1962.

>Have a good Nak.
>(It's worth the effort)
>_________________________ Marc Stager
>http://marc.stager.com/silver/

They start Web-publish some of their reviews and articles several months ago
in Archives section.

Nicholas.

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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Mon Oct  9 13:34:44 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 17:04:44 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] Nak talk - Past postings
Message-ID: <003f01c031e4$ec632940$42d60192@vsnl>

I have been lucky to be in this forum and got very useful tips on my Naks
and got involved in interesting discussions. However does anybody has
compiled the past discussions with different titles etc ? If such a thing
can be hosted on Naks FTP server, may be useful to a new comer to this forum
and avoid similar questions  being posted?

 I am really happy to see the FTP server having lot more info than six
months ago and thank Wouter / Norman and others who had contributed to
enhance the appeal of Naks FTP server!
Kannan

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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Mon Oct  9 16:49:11 2000
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 16:49:11 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Nak talk - Past postings
References: <003f01c031e4$ec632940$42d60192@vsnl>
Message-ID: <39E1DAE7.FBB82FF9@xs4all.nl>

Hi Kannan,

I'm working on a 'search' option for all past and future naktalk postings. I'll make
this available through the web site when it's ready.
You can search on any keyword and the appropriate naktalk postings will be shown and
can be read.

Useful enough?

Wouter

"Kannan. S" wrote:

> I have been lucky to be in this forum and got very useful tips on my Naks
> and got involved in interesting discussions. However does anybody has
> compiled the past discussions with different titles etc ? If such a thing
> can be hosted on Naks FTP server, may be useful to a new comer to this forum
> and avoid similar questions  being posted?
>
>  I am really happy to see the FTP server having lot more info than six
> months ago and thank Wouter / Norman and others who had contributed to
> enhance the appeal of Naks FTP server!
> Kannan
>

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From k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de  Mon Oct  9 17:18:44 2000
From: k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de (Karl-Heinz Herrmann)
Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 17:18:44 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [naktalk] Naks.com: detailed data
In-Reply-To: <39E1DAE7.FBB82FF9@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <XFMail.001009171844.k.-h.herrmann@fz-juelich.de>

Hi Wouter,

I just wanted to check back on some details where the ebay-poster/seller
didn't copy the info's from your site -- and found them offline. 

I do understand your annoyance with people just copying the pictures and data
lists (I alway could tell where the info's were from ;-) without linking your
page. But is it so bad after all? To have that informations on all decks
easily accessible was quite nice. 

Or was there another website copying your data sections? Which I would regard
as much worse (especially because it would be so easy to add a link in a real
webpage) then this ebay-practice. 
I never sold anything to ebay -- Can you include links easily? Besides just
giving the link wich wouldn't be clickable then?

And what do you plan to do with the data-fields? rearrange them to make them
harder to copy? (I can recommend tables, the data are in weird sequence and
with a lot of whitespace and cr/lf's if you just copy-paste them....

K.-H.




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From penry at nortelnetworks.com  Mon Oct  9 17:39:59 2000
From: penry at nortelnetworks.com (Charles Penry)
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 10:39:59 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Your Computer Is Sending Out A Virus
Message-ID: <E7ADAD260BEED3119E7E0000F810CE1791BC6D@zrchb129.us.nortel.com>

Your computer has a virus and is infecting other computers.  Please update
your anti virus definitions and clean the virus from your computer
immediately.


Thank you,

Charles


 -----Original Message-----
		From: 	S. Kannan [mailto:kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in] 
		Sent:	Monday, October 09, 2000 4:13 AM
		Subject:	

		
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From raah at concentric.net  Mon Oct  9 17:56:16 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 11:56:16 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Your Computer Is Sending Out A Virus
References: <E7ADAD260BEED3119E7E0000F810CE1791BC6D@zrchb129.us.nortel.com>
Message-ID: <39E1EAA0.BEFF31B7@concentric.net>

> Charles Penry wrote:
> 
> Your computer has a virus and is infecting other
> computers.  Please update your anti virus definitions and
> clean the virus from your computer immediately.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Charles
> 
>  -----Original Message-----
> 
>           From:   S. Kannan
>           [mailto:kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in]
> 
>           Sent:   Monday, October 09, 2000 4:13 AM
> 
>           Subject:


I just received the same virus. I never open an email
attachment. Instead, I save them to file. In this
case, Norton came up and complained about this virus,
so I deleted the whole thing, with no harm done.

In fairness to Kannan, it is quite possible the virus
did not originate from his computer. The sicko that
propagated this virus could have intercepted Kannan's
emails and sent the virus to the same list. This could
have happened while en route from NAKS to us.

-- Ron
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From marc at stager.com  Mon Oct  9 18:54:55 2000
From: marc at stager.com (Marc Stager)
Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 12:54:55 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Stereophile
In-Reply-To: <20001009084217.21793.qmail@www0u.netaddress.usa.net>
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20001009123222.0285a3f0@mail.flashcom.net>


>Marc Stager <marc at stager.com> wrote:
> >So far there aren't any reviews posted at the Stereophile site. This will
> >be a major policy change. Looking forward to them.

----------------------
10/9/00, you wrote:
>They start Web-publish some of their reviews and articles several months ago
>in Archives section.
>
>Nicholas.

=========================
Thanks, Nick

I had a look and found a few. Doesn't seem to be any rhyme or
reason to their selection of articles and reviews. They're all
in the same pile. I did make myself a small HTM file putting
together all the "Records to Die For" articles which are
among my favorite pieces published in Stereophile. I'm sending
it as an attachment if anyone is interested. (No viruses, promise.
It's a just a set of links)

I had in mind a separate entry in their table of contents for
equipment reviews. At present they just list which issue carried
a particular review when you do a back issue search.

________________________ Marc Stager
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<Center><p><p>
<font color="#5C00AA" face="Arial" size="5">Stereophile Magazine Records to Die For index</font><p><p>

<a href="http://www.stereophile.com/showarchives.cgi?199"><font color="#5C0000" face="system" size="2">Records to Die For 1999</font></a><p>
<a href="http://www.stereophile.com/showarchives.cgi?83"><font color="#5C0000" face="system" size="2">Records to Die For 1998</font></a><p>
<a href="http://www.stereophile.com/showarchives.cgi?79"><font color="#5C0000" face="system" size="2">Records to Die For 1997</font></a><p>
<a href="http://www.stereophile.com/showarchives.cgi?49"><font color="#5C0000" face="system" size="2">Records to Die For 1996</font></a><p>
<a href="http://www.stereophile.com/showarchives.cgi?53"><font color="#5C0000" face="system" size="2">Records to Die For 1995</font></a><p>
<a href="http://www.stereophile.com/showarchives.cgi?61"><font color="#5C0000" face="system" size="2">Records to Die For 1994</font></a><p>
<a href="http://www.stereophile.com/showarchives.cgi?65"><font color="#5C0000" face="system" size="2">Records to Die For 1993</font></a><p>
<a href="http://www.stereophile.com/showarchives.cgi?67"><font color="#5C0000" face="system" size="2">Records to Die For 1992</font></a><p>
<a href="http://www.stereophile.com/showarchives.cgi?71"><font color="#5C0000" face="system" size="2">Records to Die For 1991</font></a><p>
</center>

From eddy.pollet at pandora.be  Mon Oct  9 19:39:47 2000
From: eddy.pollet at pandora.be (POLLET Eddy)
Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 19:39:47 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #414
In-Reply-To: <200010091037.MAA07883@zebra.naks.com>
Message-ID: <B607CF81.475E%eddy.pollet@pandora.be>

Hi all,

is there anybody that can give me some details about the Nak CDP-2E, a
CD-player . I saw one for sale for about $200 this afternoon ... is it any
good ?

BTW ... the "E" means it's an enhanced model, I guess :-)

Thanks,

Eddy

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From jmtooley at ce.net  Mon Oct  9 19:55:47 2000
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 13:55:47 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Nak talk - Past postings
References: <003f01c031e4$ec632940$42d60192@vsnl> <39E1DAE7.FBB82FF9@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <004f01c0321a$27a50ac0$a8496acf@johny1uboqh2n1>

Wonderful.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Wouter Heijke" <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak talk - Past postings


> Hi Kannan,
>
> I'm working on a 'search' option for all past and future naktalk postings.
I'll make
> this available through the web site when it's ready.
> You can search on any keyword and the appropriate naktalk postings will be
shown and
> can be read.
>
> Useful enough?
>
> Wouter
>
> "Kannan. S" wrote:
>
> > I have been lucky to be in this forum and got very useful tips on my
Naks
> > and got involved in interesting discussions. However does anybody has
> > compiled the past discussions with different titles etc ? If such a
thing
> > can be hosted on Naks FTP server, may be useful to a new comer to this
forum
> > and avoid similar questions  being posted?
> >
> >  I am really happy to see the FTP server having lot more info than six
> > months ago and thank Wouter / Norman and others who had contributed to
> > enhance the appeal of Naks FTP server!
> > Kannan
> >
>
>
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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Mon Oct  9 20:15:02 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 12:15:02 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Re: CDP-2E
Message-ID: <038801c0321c$d8fce7a0$7293bccf@sank1>

The CDP-2E(Europe) is a very modest(to be polite) player, which was based on
an NEC.  It's worth no more than about $100, even new in the box.

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
-----Original Message-----
From: POLLET Eddy <eddy.pollet at pandora.be>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Monday, October 09, 2000 12:04 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #414


>Hi all,
>
>is there anybody that can give me some details about the Nak CDP-2E, a
>CD-player . I saw one for sale for about $200 this afternoon ... is it any
>good ?
>
>BTW ... the "E" means it's an enhanced model, I guess :-)
>
>Thanks,
>
>Eddy
>
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From n.van.wijnen at castel.nl  Mon Oct  9 20:27:15 2000
From: n.van.wijnen at castel.nl (Norman van Wijnen)
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 20:27:15 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] VIRUS WARNING !!!!!!
Message-ID: <001901c0321e$8d32d3a0$0f8955c3@asuscubx>

Hello Naktalkers,

Don't open the attachment file from Kennan. I have just use my Ghost software to put a new image on my machine because i (stupid me) opened the attachment.

This file let your outlook express software send a copy of the original mail with a attachment on it with the virus. So you send two mails.

I don't know if the virus is very harmfull because i placed immediately a fresh ghost image on my hd.

My last nakmails are gone so if i had to answer people because of making pdf files from tiff files please send me a new mail

greetings

Norman
n.van.wijnen at castel.nl
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Mon Oct  9 21:08:30 2000
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 15:08:30 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] VIRUS WARNING !!!!!!
References: <001901c0321e$8d32d3a0$0f8955c3@asuscubx>
Message-ID: <011401c03224$503d25d0$a8496acf@johny1uboqh2n1>

Thanks, I almost opened it.  I wonder how many others got burned!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Norman van Wijnen 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 2:27 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] VIRUS WARNING !!!!!!


  Hello Naktalkers,

  Don't open the attachment file from Kennan. I have just use my Ghost software to put a new image on my machine because i (stupid me) opened the attachment.

  This file let your outlook express software send a copy of the original mail with a attachment on it with the virus. So you send two mails.

  I don't know if the virus is very harmfull because i placed immediately a fresh ghost image on my hd.

  My last nakmails are gone so if i had to answer people because of making pdf files from tiff files please send me a new mail

  greetings

  Norman
  n.van.wijnen at castel.nl
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From brianm at grar.com  Tue Oct 10 00:18:16 2000
From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller)
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 18:18:16 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] VIRUS WARNING !!!!!!
References: <001901c0321e$8d32d3a0$0f8955c3@asuscubx>
Message-ID: <003201c0323e$d82c0aa0$3f021fac@brianm>

Hi guys,

I tried to open the file from Kennan!  Does anyone one know the name of the virus?  I had to have someone come from our main office to work on my PC all day, they still haven't resolved the problem, they will try again tomorrow.  I just checked my e-mail and saw the warning, this will help them in their search.  My PC is not working correctly now.

Brian Miller
Michigan

Romans 10:9-10
...that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus
and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the
dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes
unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is
made unto salvation.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Norman van Wijnen 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 2:27 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] VIRUS WARNING !!!!!!


  Hello Naktalkers,

  Don't open the attachment file from Kennan. I have just use my Ghost software to put a new image on my machine because i (stupid me) opened the attachment.

  This file let your outlook express software send a copy of the original mail with a attachment on it with the virus. So you send two mails.

  I don't know if the virus is very harmfull because i placed immediately a fresh ghost image on my hd.

  My last nakmails are gone so if i had to answer people because of making pdf files from tiff files please send me a new mail

  greetings

  Norman
  n.van.wijnen at castel.nl
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From BJGRADY at aol.com  Tue Oct 10 00:46:54 2000
From: BJGRADY at aol.com (BJGRADY at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 18:46:54 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] VIRUS WARNING !!!!!!
Message-ID: <35.b3ef420.2713a4de@aol.com>

Hello all. Would it be too much to ask that religious quotes not be included w/ posts? 

Cal John.
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From nikkki at com2com.ru  Tue Oct 10 01:24:06 2000
From: nikkki at com2com.ru (Nick Igritski)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 03:24:06 +0400
Subject: [naktalk] VIRUS WARNING !!!!!!
References: <001901c0321e$8d32d3a0$0f8955c3@asuscubx> <003201c0323e$d82c0aa0$3f021fac@brianm>
Message-ID: <39E25396.938E6DC7@com2com.ru>

It's the so called Troyan virus and it's very dangerous. In my case my
Windows 98 ceased to load properly. Be very careful guys! If you need
some help on how to fix the consequences of this goddamn virus, email
me. If it's not too late though...

Take care

Nick

Brian Miller wrote:

> Hi guys, I tried to open the file from Kennan!  Does anyone one know
> the name of the virus?  I had to have someone come from our main
> office to work on my PC all day, they still haven't resolved the
> problem, they will try again tomorrow.  I just checked my e-mail and
> saw the warning, this will help them in their search.  My PC is not
> working correctly now. Brian Miller
> Michigan Romans 10:9-10
> ...that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus
> and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the
> dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes
> unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is
> made unto salvation.
>
>      ----- Original Message -----
>      From: Norman van Wijnen
>      To: naktalk at naks.com
>      Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 2:27 PM
>      Subject: [naktalk] VIRUS WARNING !!!!!!
>       Hello Naktalkers, Don't open the attachment file from
>      Kennan. I have just use my Ghost software to put a new image
>      on my machine because i (stupid me) opened the
>      attachment. This file let your outlook express software send
>      a copy of the original mail with a attachment on it with the
>      virus. So you send two mails. I don't know if the virus is
>      very harmfull because i placed immediately a fresh ghost
>      image on my hd. My last nakmails are gone so if i had to
>      answer people because of making pdf files from tiff files
>      please send me a new
>      mail greetings Normann.van.wijnen at castel.nl
>
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From warren2 at gate.net  Tue Oct 10 04:13:40 2000
From: warren2 at gate.net (Warren Tremain)
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 19:13:40 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] re virus FYI
References: <001901c0321e$8d32d3a0$0f8955c3@asuscubx> <003201c0323e$d82c0aa0$3f021fac@brianm>
Message-ID: <02b101c0325f$b5f09a20$7c8324cf@oemcomputer>

This file: "NEW_NAPSTER_site.TXT.pif" was infected with: "W95.MTX.dr" virus.

The file was deleted by Norton AntiVirus. Monday, October 09, 2000  19:12


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From marc at stager.com  Tue Oct 10 02:12:44 2000
From: marc at stager.com (Marc Stager)
Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 20:12:44 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] VIRUS WARNING (Holy shit!)
In-Reply-To: <003201c0323e$d82c0aa0$3f021fac@brianm>
References: <001901c0321e$8d32d3a0$0f8955c3@asuscubx>
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20001009200007.02904520@mail.flashcom.net>

At 10/9/00, you wrote:
>Hi guys,
>
>I tried to open the file from Kennan!  Does anyone one know the name of 
>the virus?  I had to have someone come from our main office to work on my 
>PC all day, they still haven't resolved the problem, they will try again 
>tomorrow.  I just checked my e-mail and saw the warning, this will help 
>them in their search.  My PC is not working correctly now.
>
>Brian Miller
>Michigan
>
>Romans 10:9-10
>...that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus
>and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the
>dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes
>unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is
>made unto salvation.

========================================

Hey Brian,

No wonder you got zapped. Jesus just doesn't love you enough
to protect you from the evils of computer viruses. You just
aren't praying hard enough.

Next time I want to see a FULL PAGE of Bible thumping !!!.

Start with II Kings 18:27 and Isaiah 36:12

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From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua  Tue Oct 10 04:00:09 2000
From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 04:00:09 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] VIRUS WARNING !!!!!!
References: <001901c0321e$8d32d3a0$0f8955c3@asuscubx> <003201c0323e$d82c0aa0$3f021fac@brianm> <39E25396.938E6DC7@com2com.ru>
Message-ID: <001201c0325d$d46e0020$0100007f@localhost>

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�������, �������� ������� �������������.

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From ritchfan at airmail.net  Tue Oct 10 05:26:01 2000
From: ritchfan at airmail.net (Bobby Gervais)
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 22:26:01 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [naktalk] VIRUS WARNING !!!!!!
In-Reply-To: <011401c03224$503d25d0$a8496acf@johny1uboqh2n1>
References: <001901c0321e$8d32d3a0$0f8955c3@asuscubx>
Message-ID: <v03007803b607f77c5c8a@[206.138.228.50]>

>    Thanks, I almost opened it.&nbsp; I wonder how many others  got burned!

thanks god for macs!!  my other favourite equipment!!!!  the virus didnt
touch it!

are macs made by ex NAK people??????/

har har

Bobby Gervais


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From SBarr12393 at aol.com  Tue Oct 10 05:52:26 2000
From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 23:52:26 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] VIRUS WARNING !!!!!!
Message-ID: <f6.3719093.2713ec7a@aol.com>

Thank God for Norton Antivirus which wouldn't allow me download the file to 
open it.

-Sam
Ephesians 4:13
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From george.m.hook at ac.com  Tue Oct 10 06:42:17 2000
From: george.m.hook at ac.com (george.m.hook at ac.com)
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 23:42:17 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Napster Ennui
Message-ID: <OF6CAAA6B8.F44E0AF4-ON86256974.00191360@ac.com>


I never opened it in the first place, mainly because I'm tired of the whole
Napster saga.  I was never the least bit curious about pirate bootleg
downloads of low sound quality that took on this kind of cutting-edge rebel
image in the media.   When the guy who runs it starts showing up at the MTV
Video Awards and on the cover of Newsweek, I really don't care.  I call it
"subcultural virus."

George

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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Tue Oct 10 08:56:34 2000
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 08:56:34 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: Virus - warning / Kannan' smail to all Naktalkers]
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Here's a message from Kannan for all of you.

Wouter
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From k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de  Tue Oct 10 11:28:49 2000
From: k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de (Karl-Heinz Herrmann)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:28:49 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [naktalk] VIRUS WARNING (Holy shit!)
In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20001009200007.02904520@mail.flashcom.net>
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I simply can't resist :-)


> No wonder you got zapped. Jesus just doesn't love you enough
> to protect you from the evils of computer viruses. You just
> aren't praying hard enough.
> 
> Next time I want to see a FULL PAGE of Bible thumping !!!.
> 
> Start with II Kings 18:27 and Isaiah 36:12
> 
> ____________________________ Marc Stager



I am believing in Linux,
the one Operating System,
which will run any computer flawlessly and
will it keep save from all evil.

Linux Bible, Chapter I, verse I


K.-H.


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From strat666 at nettaxi.com  Tue Oct 10 11:50:42 2000
From: strat666 at nettaxi.com (Jason Antony)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:50:42 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Religious quotes
References: <35.b3ef420.2713a4de@aol.com>
Message-ID: <39E2E672.BD2EE22@nettaxi.com>



BJGRADY at aol.com wrote:

> Hello all. Would it be too much to ask that religious quotes not be included w/ posts?
>
> Cal John.

Hi John

I encourage diversity and accept everyone as they are. But I too would appreciate it if
anyone wishing to quote the Bible would do so by referencing the book, chapter and verse -
and no more. Those wanting to know more can then look it up themselves.

Cheers
Jason

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From strat666 at nettaxi.com  Tue Oct 10 12:33:34 2000
From: strat666 at nettaxi.com (Jason Antony)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:33:34 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Kannan's mail to all Naktalkers
References: <39E2BDA2.E609DD0D@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <39E2F07E.8A82621B@nettaxi.com>


Hi there all

the virus is called w95.mtx [apparently a tribute to the movie, 'The
Matrix']. It sent the emails transparently, as Kannan said. For more info:

http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w95.mtx.html

To handle any email attachments, never open them but save to disk instead.
If it seems suspicious in the least, delete it without further ado.

Another good idea is to not use Outlook Express/Internet Explorer as these
have hidden features that facilitate the viruses launching havoc. Micro$oft
actually considers this as a feature, not a weakness.

Netscape's Communicator is a good package overall and it's more trustworthy.

Of course the best way to get rid of Windoze and go with Linux :-D [which I
would've, if I had a computer of my own - unfortunately, I'm stuck with the
ones at uni]

Cheers and take care
Jason

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From szollos at it.cas.cz  Tue Oct 10 18:58:34 2000
From: szollos at it.cas.cz (Andras Szollos)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:58:34 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] VIRUS WARNING (Holy shit!)
References: <XFMail.001010112849.k.-h.herrmann@fz-juelich.de>
Message-ID: <39E34ABA.79C0A16B@it.cas.cz>

Karl-Heinz Herrmann wrote:

> I am believing in Linux,
> the one Operating System,
> which will run any computer flawlessly and
> will it keep save from all evil.
> 
> Linux Bible, Chapter I, verse I
> 
> K.-H.
>
I share your belief. My computers have been running under SuSE Linux for
two years and I was only smiling, whenever a report on a new virus
appeared.

Andras.
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From alipset at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 10 17:22:19 2000
From: alipset at yahoo.com (Alan Lipset)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:22:19 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Re: 
References: <200010091816328.SM00161@brianm>
Message-ID: <003801c032cd$e375b340$0c021e0a@web>

Brian-
What is this?
Alan
----- Original Message ----- 
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Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 6:17 PM



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From brianm at grar.com  Tue Oct 10 18:45:24 2000
From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 12:45:24 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Re: 
References: <200010091816328.SM00161@brianm> <003801c032cd$e375b340$0c021e0a@web>
Message-ID: <000501c032d9$7ec4e9a0$12021fac@brianm>

Alan,

It is a virus, I hope you didn't try to open the attachment.

Brian Miller
Michigan

...that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus
and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the
dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes
unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is
made unto salvation.
----- Original Message -----
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To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 11:22 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Re:


> Brian-
> What is this?
> Alan
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <brianm at grar.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 6:17 PM
>
>
>
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Tue Oct 10 19:56:19 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:56:19 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] VIRUS WARNING !!!!!!
In-Reply-To: <39E25396.938E6DC7@com2com.ru>
Message-ID: <000001c032e3$65c2bcc0$e604893e@a4s1s2>

Nick

I know someone who's been hit with this one.  Could you e-mail me with
details of how you got rid of it, please?

Graham
  -----Original Message-----
  From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
Nick Igritski
  Sent: 10 October 2000 00:24
  To: naktalk at naks.com
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] VIRUS WARNING !!!!!!
  Importance: High


  It's the so called Troyan virus and it's very dangerous. In my case my
Windows 98 ceased to load properly. Be very careful guys! If you need some
help on how to fix the consequences of this goddamn virus, email me. If it's
not too late though...
  Take care

  Nick

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From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:09:49 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Religious quotes
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Don't mean to sound unsympathetic but ... what about religious quotes that
don't come from the Bible?  Or Shakespeare?



"When everyone knows beauty as beautiful, there is already ugliness; When
everyone knows good as goodness, there is already evil."  Lao-tzu


"Nak's are great."  Bubba Free John (reputedly ... just to keep this e-mail
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From george.m.hook at ac.com  Tue Oct 10 23:38:29 2000
From: george.m.hook at ac.com (george.m.hook at ac.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:38:29 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Religious quotes
Message-ID: <OF3B31281D.134A1F18-ON86256974.0076DB42@ac.com>



"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro"  Raoul Duke

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From blueswapper at angelfire.com  Wed Oct 11 04:06:01 2000
From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:06:01 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Back To The Basics....
Message-ID: <GAIOJLFENBFCIAAA@angelfire.com>

Whew!!!

That's the way it usually happens, devastating virus embedded attachments, sent unknowingly by a trusted friend or cooperator.  The key to the highway of safe navigation on the internet is to never open an attachment without very secure virus monitoring and innocculating ability.  Better yet, don't open any attachments from others you don't personally know (only those who have virus innocculating ability inherent to their systems).  I work in a huge info technology operation at state government here in the midwest USA.  Nasty viruses pop up regularly, and the professionals often remind me that one cannot be too cautious about attachments - Don't open them, they're dangerous, they bite and hurt......

So, I propose that we get back to the basics, just plain old email posts that cover Nakamichi gear topics.  No attachments, just the basics.

Whaddayaallsaytothat???

Blues

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From RAH555nica at aol.com  Wed Oct 11 05:17:18 2000
From: RAH555nica at aol.com (RAH555nica at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 23:17:18 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] Religious quotes
Message-ID: <c1.79c84de.271535bf@aol.com>

    "LIVE-LOVE-LAUGH"....IF NOT GET A NAK!!! 
NICA-DJ
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From Modernizy at netscape.net  Wed Oct 11 08:59:17 2000
From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick)
Date: 11 Oct 00 08:59:17 MSK
Subject: [naktalk] Sterophile reviews
Message-ID: <20001011055917.18009.qmail@wwcst272.netaddress.usa.net>

Dear Naktalkers!

Let's make some additional posting to Stereophile demanding the Naks reviews
to be Web-publish on their Web site. I think this will accelerate the
process.

The E-mail address is: jiverson at emapusa.com

Nick.


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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Wed Oct 11 12:41:03 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan S)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:11:03 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] VIRUS WARNING !!!!!!
References: <f6.3719093.2713ec7a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <39E443BF.C63A1525@giasbg01.vsnl.net.in>

Hi naktalkers
I am back thru some other computer . Let me give details of cure for the MTX virus that
I had obtained from internet
Saved important files on zip disk ( particularly naks ftp downloads of manuals and my
office docs)
Yahoo search for antivirus yielded Norton antivirus - PC mag review and PC mag gave a
link to down load and took me to Norton Antivirus 2001 down load - trial version 1
month and you can purchase later. ( direct to Symantec did not get me a download link!)

It is a 25 MB file. I could download it fast because of ISDN 64 KB connection within a
hour,
Installed it ( you have to register it when you install otherwise will not allow you to
download latest updates from Internet Symantec live update server!) and found that it
does not have latest updates. Its part called live update after connecting to internet
got me latest update and it automatically updated to include MTX virus.
It scanned for an Hour and cured most of the files but could not remove MTX_.exe file
in Windows directory and Wsoc32.dll in Windows \system directory. In windows you will
not be able to delete it.
It informed me that these files still have virus. So I copied virus free Wsock32.dll
file from ( Win 95 ) another computer in another place.
I booted the machine back to Command prompt safe mode by F8 key while booting.
By cryptic DOS command I deleted MTX_.exe file and Wsock32.dll. Copied good Wsock32.dll
file to windows \system directory.
Reboot and  scanned the machine and found it is cured
Before anything else first delete all the virus attached file in your inbox.
Without the latest updates - Norton does not detect this virus. Good news is that It
also detected few more virus in my collegues Laptop which also got a mail from me.It
cured that machine also. I also could scan another machine in my network ( LAN) .
Seems a decent antivirus package . God knows what is store for us.
Nowdays I scared to see any attachments!
I once again feel sorry that few of you got problems due to my machine.
Hope this method works for Win 98 also.
Kannan

SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote:

> Thank God for Norton Antivirus which wouldn't allow me download the file to
> open it.
>
> -Sam
> Ephesians 4:13
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From raah at concentric.net  Wed Oct 11 16:49:58 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:49:58 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Back To The Basics....
References: <GAIOJLFENBFCIAAA@angelfire.com>
Message-ID: <39E47E15.3EAA02A4@concentric.net>

The BlueSwapper wrote:
> 
> Whew!!!
> 
> That's the way it usually happens, devastating virus embedded attachments, sent unknowingly by a trusted friend or cooperator.  The key to the highway of safe navigation on the internet is to never open an attachment without very secure virus monitoring and innocculating ability.  Better yet, don't open any attachments from others you don't personally know (only those who have virus innocculating ability inherent to their systems).  I work in a huge info technology operation at state government here in the midwest USA.  Nasty viruses pop up regularly, and the professionals often remind me that one cannot be too cautious about attachments - Don't open them, they're dangerous, they bite and hurt......
> 
> So, I propose that we get back to the basics, just plain old email posts that cover Nakamichi gear topics.  No attachments, just the basics.
> 
> Whaddayaallsaytothat???
>

Blues,

I see no problem with email attachments. People need
to be careful, though, and verify that received
attachment files are not executable (meaning, file
extensions TXT, JPG, GIF etc. are OK. File extensions
like VBS, EXE, PIF, DOC, XLS etc. are executable and
potentially dangerous). All files should *never* be
opened, but saved to disk and scanned by an up-to-date
virus scanner before opening.

Personally, I use Norton Anti-Virus and update it every
30 days or so. In this case, I saw the PIF extension and
started a save to disk when Norton came up and announced
the virus. I clicked to delete the file and that was that.

On a philosophical note, I wonder what kind of vermin
feel compelled to harm people they don't even know. What
is their motivation?

-- Ron


> Blues
> 
> ---
> Help keep the blues alive!  Got Some???
> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper
> 
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Wed Oct 11 17:26:12 2000
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:26:12 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Sterophile reviews
References: <20001011055917.18009.qmail@wwcst272.netaddress.usa.net>
Message-ID: <005301c03397$96d28070$9f496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf>

Done.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nick" <Modernizy at netscape.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 4:59 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Sterophile reviews


> Dear Naktalkers!
>
> Let's make some additional posting to Stereophile demanding the Naks
reviews
> to be Web-publish on their Web site. I think this will accelerate the
> process.
>
> The E-mail address is: jiverson at emapusa.com
>
> Nick.
>
>
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From BJGRADY at aol.com  Wed Oct 11 17:39:27 2000
From: BJGRADY at aol.com (BJGRADY at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:39:27 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] Back To The Basics....
Message-ID: <23.204dd88.2715e3b0@aol.com>

That last statement goes for all hackers, folks that write viruses, ect. Problem childhood, no friends, Napolean complex? Who knows.

Cal John. 
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From k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de  Wed Oct 11 18:21:02 2000
From: k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de (Karl-Heinz Herrmann)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 18:21:02 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [naktalk] rambling on executables as attachement...
In-Reply-To: <39E47E15.3EAA02A4@concentric.net>
Message-ID: <XFMail.001011182102.k.-h.herrmann@fz-juelich.de>

Hi,

On 11-Oct-00 Ron wrote:
> attachment files are not executable (meaning, file
> extensions TXT, JPG, GIF etc. are OK. 

Yes of course are picture attachements as such ok. 
If they would be appropriate on a mailing list is questionable at least. 


> File extensions like VBS, EXE, PIF, DOC, XLS etc. are executable and >
> potentially dangerous). 

Right there start the big problems! 

1) Who knows *all* these (executable) extensions anymore?

2) And starting with Win9X the *default* is to *hide* the extensions.
   That's what made the "I love You" virus so effective -- the .txt.vbs
   where the .vbs was stripped and interpreted by the OS/Browser and 
   Everybody saw an .txt file and wanted to *read* it, not execute.


> All files should *never* be opened

Thats depending on the definition of "opening", isn't it? I.e. what has
"opening" to do with "running" something. By opening a .vbs I would expect to
see the file in an editor....

And *my* opinion is, that this "never open" should be handled by the mail
program: Configure it so it will *not run* anything executable. And that
should be the default of any mailer.
Unfortunately some wellknown big software companies think its nice to have
everything automatic and use that as the default setting.


"Never start any executable where you don't know of what it does" would be
the right thing. But who knows which word *.doc files have a nasty
autostarting macro ? 
Who of you know that pressing the "shift" key during opening of a *doc
file will make word *not* to execute the autostart macro (at least word 6.0
did it).
Which Programs/Applications will actually be capable of running some kind of
macro or program which is hidden inside a file? That's probably the major
design flaw with Can-do-it-all Office Packages, they are wide open to
malicious attacks. It's definitely time for more security like digitally
signed files where you can at least be sure where it's from and that it's not
modified. This would still not protect you from little jokes by your trusted
friends though.


----

So for naktalk: banning all attachements is too strong a thing, let the
additional html versions be there for people which want to read the html
version, some mailer would forward a mail by making a txt-attachement from
it. But anything binary is on mailinglists a little bit out of place anyway.
Especially since Wouter has the ftp area on ftp.naks.com where binary files
can easily be exchanged (not that they were more save there, but everybody
will at least have to get and run the files and know that he is running a
program -- and no virus will think of copying himself there automatically).


Would it be useful to ban *.doc and *pif and *xls files? 

Wouter, I would suggest to block the Mime-Types:

application/msword   (I checked this)
application/msexcel  (is this the right type? I haven't one to check...)
... etc 
as well, since they can be as malicious as .vbs and *.exe files. If somebody
want's to share nak related word documents or excel-sheets they are much
better on ftp.naks.com.

I'm quite sure that some viruses are copying themself via *.doc files and
mail -- but they won't log on to ftp.naks.com and copy themselfs there and
everybody will tell naktalk or you that he uploaded a file -- if files get
there without announcement they are suspect anyway.

Is that an idea acceptable by all (most)? Any more Mime-types to block to get
the mailinglist as secure as possible? 


K.-H.


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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Wed Oct 11 19:56:51 2000
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 19:56:51 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] rambling on executables as attachement...
References: <XFMail.001011182102.k.-h.herrmann@fz-juelich.de>
Message-ID: <39E4A9E3.27A58862@xs4all.nl>

Ok, I'll add those tomorrow.
Then we have blocked most attatchment typed that can be harmful.
Please notice that if you send a mail with such an attatchment it will not reach the
list and you won't be notified of it, but I will!

Wouter

Karl-Heinz Herrmann wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On 11-Oct-00 Ron wrote:
> > attachment files are not executable (meaning, file
> > extensions TXT, JPG, GIF etc. are OK.
>
> Yes of course are picture attachements as such ok.
> If they would be appropriate on a mailing list is questionable at least.
>
> > File extensions like VBS, EXE, PIF, DOC, XLS etc. are executable and >
> > potentially dangerous).
>
> Right there start the big problems!
>
> 1) Who knows *all* these (executable) extensions anymore?
>
> 2) And starting with Win9X the *default* is to *hide* the extensions.
>    That's what made the "I love You" virus so effective -- the .txt.vbs
>    where the .vbs was stripped and interpreted by the OS/Browser and
>    Everybody saw an .txt file and wanted to *read* it, not execute.
>
> > All files should *never* be opened
>
> Thats depending on the definition of "opening", isn't it? I.e. what has
> "opening" to do with "running" something. By opening a .vbs I would expect to
> see the file in an editor....
>
> And *my* opinion is, that this "never open" should be handled by the mail
> program: Configure it so it will *not run* anything executable. And that
> should be the default of any mailer.
> Unfortunately some wellknown big software companies think its nice to have
> everything automatic and use that as the default setting.
>
> "Never start any executable where you don't know of what it does" would be
> the right thing. But who knows which word *.doc files have a nasty
> autostarting macro ?
> Who of you know that pressing the "shift" key during opening of a *doc
> file will make word *not* to execute the autostart macro (at least word 6.0
> did it).
> Which Programs/Applications will actually be capable of running some kind of
> macro or program which is hidden inside a file? That's probably the major
> design flaw with Can-do-it-all Office Packages, they are wide open to
> malicious attacks. It's definitely time for more security like digitally
> signed files where you can at least be sure where it's from and that it's not
> modified. This would still not protect you from little jokes by your trusted
> friends though.
>
> ----
>
> So for naktalk: banning all attachements is too strong a thing, let the
> additional html versions be there for people which want to read the html
> version, some mailer would forward a mail by making a txt-attachement from
> it. But anything binary is on mailinglists a little bit out of place anyway.
> Especially since Wouter has the ftp area on ftp.naks.com where binary files
> can easily be exchanged (not that they were more save there, but everybody
> will at least have to get and run the files and know that he is running a
> program -- and no virus will think of copying himself there automatically).
>
> Would it be useful to ban *.doc and *pif and *xls files?
>
> Wouter, I would suggest to block the Mime-Types:
>
> application/msword   (I checked this)
> application/msexcel  (is this the right type? I haven't one to check...)
> ... etc
> as well, since they can be as malicious as .vbs and *.exe files. If somebody
> want's to share nak related word documents or excel-sheets they are much
> better on ftp.naks.com.
>
> I'm quite sure that some viruses are copying themself via *.doc files and
> mail -- but they won't log on to ftp.naks.com and copy themselfs there and
> everybody will tell naktalk or you that he uploaded a file -- if files get
> there without announcement they are suspect anyway.
>
> Is that an idea acceptable by all (most)? Any more Mime-types to block to get
> the mailinglist as secure as possible?
>
> K.-H.
>
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Wed Oct 11 21:47:54 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 20:47:54 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] DR1 for sale - supposedly mint and virtually unused
In-Reply-To: <c1.79c84de.271535bf@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000001c033bc$264ca7c0$5950883e@a4s1s2>

Apparently this unit is unused and failed to make the reserve price on
e-Bay.  The guy wants $600.

Anyone interested this is his e-mail.

Ziad Chamoun [zchamoun at mediaone.net]

I don't know him so I can't vouch for him.  My only contact was in bidding -
I won!!!!  But I can't afford his reserve.

Graham

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From blueswapper at angelfire.com  Thu Oct 12 01:30:34 2000
From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:30:34 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #419
Message-ID: <HLGGOLFDGDLGIAAA@angelfire.com>

Greetings......

Indeed, to each his own choice!  I personally, never open attachments.  I agree that saving and scanning with a virus protection package like Norton AntiVirus is the pragmatic approach if you must open email-borne attached files. 

Careful though, and heed my warning; even Peter Norton (the god who created AntiVirus), cannot protect you from the meanies who constantly build ever nastier monstrosities to wreak havoc.  Those meanies are on the loose worldwide, and when you least expect it, a new and impervious virus will slip in to sting you and your computer gear.  We're a truely global community on NakTalk, and we rely on an open internet environment to communicate. The unfortunate Kannan episode hit several of the membership, and that is why I want to raise my brothers awareness.

Peace......

Blues

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On Wed, 11 Oct 2000 19:51:34   naktalk-digest wrote:
>
>naktalk-digest Wednesday, October 11 2000       Volume 02 : Number 419
>

>
>SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote:
>
>> Thank God (that is his highness, Peter Norton) for Norton Antivirus which wouldn't allow me download the file to
>> open it.
>>
>> -Sam
>> Ephesians 4:13
>>
>
>Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:49:58 -0400
>From: Ron <raah at concentric.net>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Back To The Basics....
>

>
>Blues,
>
>I see no problem with email attachments. People need
>to be careful, though, and verify that received
>attachment files are not executable (meaning, file
>extensions TXT, JPG, GIF etc. are OK. File extensions
>like VBS, EXE, PIF, DOC, XLS etc. are executable and
>potentially dangerous). All files should *never* be
>opened, but saved to disk and scanned by an up-to-date
>virus scanner before opening.
>
>Personally, I use Norton Anti-Virus and update it every
>30 days or so. In this case, I saw the PIF extension and
>started a save to disk when Norton came up and announced
>the virus. I clicked to delete the file and that was that.
>
>On a philosophical note, I wonder what kind of vermin
>feel compelled to harm people they don't even know. What
>is their motivation?
>
>- -- Ron
>

>
>Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 18:21:02 +0200 (MET DST)
>From: Karl-Heinz Herrmann <k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de>
>Subject: [naktalk] rambling on executables as attachement...
>
>Hi,
>
>On 11-Oct-00 Ron wrote:
>> attachment files are not executable (meaning, file
>> extensions TXT, JPG, GIF etc. are OK. 
>
>Yes of course are picture attachements as such ok. 
>If they would be appropriate on a mailing list is questionable at least. 
>
>
>> File extensions like VBS, EXE, PIF, DOC, XLS etc. are executable and >
>> potentially dangerous). 
>
>Right there start the big problems! 
>
>1) Who knows *all* these (executable) extensions anymore?
>
>2) And starting with Win9X the *default* is to *hide* the extensions.
>   That's what made the "I love You" virus so effective -- the .txt.vbs
>   where the .vbs was stripped and interpreted by the OS/Browser and 
>   Everybody saw an .txt file and wanted to *read* it, not execute.
>
>
>> All files should *never* be opened
>
>Thats depending on the definition of "opening", isn't it? I.e. what has
>"opening" to do with "running" something. By opening a .vbs I would expect to
>see the file in an editor....
>
>And *my* opinion is, that this "never open" should be handled by the mail
>program: Configure it so it will *not run* anything executable. And that
>should be the default of any mailer.
>Unfortunately some wellknown big software companies think its nice to have
>everything automatic and use that as the default setting.
>
>
>"Never start any executable where you don't know of what it does" would be
>the right thing. But who knows which word *.doc files have a nasty
>autostarting macro ? 
>Who of you know that pressing the "shift" key during opening of a *doc
>file will make word *not* to execute the autostart macro (at least word 6.0
>did it).
>Which Programs/Applications will actually be capable of running some kind of
>macro or program which is hidden inside a file? That's probably the major
>design flaw with Can-do-it-all Office Packages, they are wide open to
>malicious attacks. It's definitely time for more security like digitally
>signed files where you can at least be sure where it's from and that it's not
>modified. This would still not protect you from little jokes by your trusted
>friends though.
>
>
>- ----
>
>So for naktalk: banning all attachements is too strong a thing, let the
>additional html versions be there for people which want to read the html
>version, some mailer would forward a mail by making a txt-attachement from
>it. But anything binary is on mailinglists a little bit out of place anyway.
>Especially since Wouter has the ftp area on ftp.naks.com where binary files
>can easily be exchanged (not that they were more save there, but everybody
>will at least have to get and run the files and know that he is running a
>program -- and no virus will think of copying himself there automatically).
>
>
>Would it be useful to ban *.doc and *pif and *xls files? 
>
>Wouter, I would suggest to block the Mime-Types:
>
>application/msword   (I checked this)
>application/msexcel  (is this the right type? I haven't one to check...)
>... etc 
>as well, since they can be as malicious as .vbs and *.exe files. If somebody
>want's to share nak related word documents or excel-sheets they are much
>better on ftp.naks.com.
>
>I'm quite sure that some viruses are copying themself via *.doc files and
>mail -- but they won't log on to ftp.naks.com and copy themselfs there and
>everybody will tell naktalk or you that he uploaded a file -- if files get
>there without announcement they are suspect anyway.
>
>Is that an idea acceptable by all (most)? Any more Mime-types to block to get
>the mailinglist as secure as possible? 
>
>
>K.-H.
>
>
>- ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>E-Mail: Karl-Heinz Herrmann <k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de> 
>http://www.fz-juelich.de/icg/icg7/FestFluGre/transport/khh/general.html
>Sent: 11-Oct-00, 17:34:29
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>------------------------------
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>Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 19:56:51 +0200
>From: Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] rambling on executables as attachement...
>
>Ok, I'll add those tomorrow.
>Then we have blocked most attatchment typed that can be harmful.
>Please notice that if you send a mail with such an attatchment it will not reach the
>list and you won't be notified of it, but I will!
>
>Wouter
>

>------------------------------
>
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>
>


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From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 12 02:04:44 2000
From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 02:04:44 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] 680zx fluor...
References: <LAW-OE48UAyNPPnOeCT00002a10@hotmail.com> <39DF56A9.A1C2B5A8@concentric.net> <LAW-OE12goFT3kMUVfN000001ae@hotmail.com> <39E0BCD5.7CBADE4A@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <LAW-OE36XWb9DYccSN00000042c@hotmail.com>

Thank you Wouter, but I have downloaded it (with most others...) since they
were availables from your site !

Many thanks for your efforts !

Matyas

----- Original Message -----
From: "Wouter Heijke" <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 8:28 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680zx fluorescent meter


> Hi Matyas,
>
> The service manual for the 680ZX is downloadable from the ftp server in
case you didn't
> know...:
>
> ftp://ftp.naks.com/pub/manuals/service/english/
>
> Regards,
>
> Wouter









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From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 12 02:02:45 2000
From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 02:02:45 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] 680zx fluorescent meter
References: <LAW-OE48UAyNPPnOeCT00002a10@hotmail.com> <39DF56A9.A1C2B5A8@concentric.net> <LAW-OE12goFT3kMUVfN000001ae@hotmail.com> <39E0FCDD.FDBEA568@concentric.net>
Message-ID: <LAW-OE21O3hRDT6Z3Ls0000050b@hotmail.com>


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron" raah at concentric.net

Ron, I am sorry for the delay.
It' s OK , the display is on again. the voltage across the zeners is -39.6V.
I 've got a 'scope, and I done some measurements:

>You could put a 'scope on the
> +12V line and see if you see the noise when the display is running.

Yes I can see noise on this bus.    It is digital datas, which is ramp of 5
ms width, pulses of 20 us. Their amplitude is 20 mVpp, with fast peaks of
160 mV pp. On the -12V display line, a quite identical ramp dwells with a
simpler content (on the+12V, there is 3 short steps before a long one).
This noise is not loud like that in main pcb, even too low I can quote
accurately.

I ve got the idea to check if it were actually DC passing through the
secondary coil for the heating.
.. I dont know if it is normal, but I find -38.8V there ... does the ZD402
defective ? I found 500 Ohms across it.
I check the resistance between heater and -38 on the unplugged connector,
 it is far more 20 MegOhm.
I have also put my probe to the common lead of the heater coil, and I found
315 us. rectangular pulse of 800 mV each 5 ms. I think it is those pulses
whom makes hard to filter.
And compared to my 582s the power transformer run quite hot.

> Matyas, if you put a large capacitor across the -38V, the
> inrush current when you switch on can blow the transistor
> (Q431?). Once the transistor base-collector shorts, the
> diode
> ZD401 will blow within a few milliseconds.

Yes Ron, it is what I done,(and was having the destroying possibilty in
mind ) but Q431 had resist 2 days after the
milliseconds ;o)
(Without the large cap.)

> Actually, the source of the noise could be the display
> itself. I am not saying this is the case in your deck, but
> some audio components, such as my Pioneer CLD-D704, allow
> for switching the display off when not needed, due to
> this reason.

 A sure thing is that when I take off the heater fuse, the noise (audible)
stops. Nevertheless, I continue to measure
the ramps in both voltage lines. As you see, the -38V bias tension is not
realy the source of the problem and is not digitally polluted, and rather
flat.

> > What did you think about that bloody noise ?
>
> I think it may not make sense to modify the deck, because
 °°°...for me it make sense to take lesson on the 1000ZXL ... °°°
> all 680ZX decks work fine as is.

Really ? I am quiter now if you tell me that it is worth to continue to
repair and trust my 680ZX that ever produce that noise since ~one year of
ownership!
Ron, I just wonder what is your experience with that deck because you
mention "all 680ZX decks work fine as is" : )

I hope my descriptions were clear as I am not of english tongue and just a
modest electronician student.

> Let us know how you make out. Good luck,
> -- Ron

I think it is done ;o)
Someday I will try to heat with DC power, but I wait an advice on the -38.8V
that is in my heater coil ?!?
Thank you Ron,
Matyas

PS: I can give more details on the behaviour of the pulses, but I think it
is not revealent at all.
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From raah at concentric.net  Thu Oct 12 16:32:43 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:32:43 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] 680zx fluorescent meter
References: <LAW-OE48UAyNPPnOeCT00002a10@hotmail.com> <39DF56A9.A1C2B5A8@concentric.net> <LAW-OE12goFT3kMUVfN000001ae@hotmail.com> <39E0FCDD.FDBEA568@concentric.net> <LAW-OE21O3hRDT6Z3Ls0000050b@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <39E5CB8B.DA026340@concentric.net>

Matyas wrote:
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron" raah at concentric.net
> 
> Ron, I am sorry for the delay.
> It' s OK , the display is on again. the voltage across the
> zeners is -39.6V. I 've got a 'scope, and I done some
> measurements:
> 
> > You could put a 'scope on the +12V line and see if you see
> > the noise when the display is running.
> 
> Yes I can see noise on this bus. It is digital datas, which is ramp of 5
> ms width, pulses of 20 us. Their amplitude is 20 mVpp, with fast peaks of
> 160 mV pp. On the -12V display line, a quite identical ramp dwells with a
> simpler content (on the +12V, there is 3 short steps before a long one).
> This noise is not loud like that in main pcb, even too low I can quote
> accurately.

I think 20mV is insignificant. Besides, it is there even
when the display is off. I think you can rule it out as
a problem.

> I ve got the idea to check if it were actually DC passing through the
> secondary coil for the heating.
> .. I dont know if it is normal, but I find -38.8V there ... does the ZD402
> defective? I found 500 Ohms across it.

Seems to me the heater should ride on -34V (39.6 -0.7 for
the Q431 base emitter -5 for the ZD402). Of course, while
the display running. I take it you measured on the heater
common (ZD402 Cathode) to ground, while the display was on?

Results of measuring the ZD402 with an ohmmeter depend on
the ohmmeter -- whether the measuring voltage is higher
than 5V and what is the measurement current. A Zener should
really be tested at the rated voltage/current.

> I check the resistance between heater and -38 on the unplugged connector,
> it is far more 20 MegOhm.
> I have also put my probe to the common lead of the heater coil, and I found
> 315 us. rectangular pulse of 800 mV each 5 ms. I think it is those pulses
> whom makes hard to filter.
> And compared to my 582s the power transformer run quite hot.
> 
> > Matyas, if you put a large capacitor across the -38V, the
> > inrush current when you switch on can blow the transistor
> > (Q431?). Once the transistor base-collector shorts, the
> > diode
> > ZD401 will blow within a few milliseconds.
> 
> Yes Ron, it is what I done,(and was having the destroying possibilty in
> mind ) but Q431 had resist 2 days after the
> milliseconds ;o)
> (Without the large cap.)
> 
> > Actually, the source of the noise could be the display
> > itself. I am not saying this is the case in your deck, but
> > some audio components, such as my Pioneer CLD-D704, allow
> > for switching the display off when not needed, due to
> > this reason.
> 
> A sure thing is that when I take off the heater fuse, the noise (audible)
> stops. Nevertheless, I continue to measure
> the ramps in both voltage lines. As you see, the -38V bias tension is not
> realy the source of the problem and is not digitally polluted, and rather
> flat.
> 
> > > What did you think about that bloody noise ?
> >
> > I think it may not make sense to modify the deck, because
>  °°°...for me it make sense to take lesson on the 1000ZXL ... °°°
> > all 680ZX decks work fine as is.
> 
> Really ? I am quiter now if you tell me that it is worth to continue to
> repair and trust my 680ZX that ever produce that noise since ~one year of
> ownership!
> Ron, I just wonder what is your experience with that deck because you
> mention "all 680ZX decks work fine as is" : )

None whatsoever. My background is several years tech
(specializing in Audio), BSEE and MSCS. What I meant
was that there is no known design flaw in the 680ZX
(if there was, we would have heard about it by now).
This means that the circuit, as designed, works well
and the problem is in your particular unit. 

> I hope my descriptions were clear as I am not of english tongue and just a
> modest electronician student.
> 
> > Let us know how you make out. Good luck,
> > -- Ron
> 
> I think it is done ;o)
> Someday I will try to heat with DC power, but I wait an advice on the -38.8V
> that is in my heater coil ?!?
> Thank you Ron,
> Matyas
> 
> PS: I can give more details on the behaviour of the pulses, but I think it
> is not revealent at all.

I agree.

Regards,

-- Ron
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From mhugo at sunint.co.za  Thu Oct 12 18:54:58 2000
From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 18:54:58 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal XR - opinions
Message-ID: <39E5ECE2.DCABB17F@sunint.co.za>

Gentlemen (and ladies of course)

I saw a bunch of Sony Metal XR tapes today both 60s and 90s - going for
R30-40 depending on length (the equivalent of US Dollars 4.40-5.80)
apiece.  Any opinions on them?  They are pretty pricey compared with
Maxell XLII-S (100s) which are R22.00 (about US D 3.20) and much more so
than Sony UX and UX-S.  The Sony pseudochromes and the Maxells give fine
performance to my mind.  Would the 'XR' Sony give significantluy better
performance?  By this time I'm sure you're having a good snigger at our
prices in South Africa!!!  Particularly Graham in the UK...I picked up
tapes at Pricebusters in London for  less than half what we pay here.

Marc

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From n.van.wijnen at castel.nl  Thu Oct 12 21:45:51 2000
From: n.van.wijnen at castel.nl (Norman van Wijnen)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 21:45:51 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
Message-ID: <000a01c03485$07ba04a0$588c55c3@asuscubx>

Hello Naktalkers,

Is there someone who has experience with Canon Scanners?
I'am scanning some manuals with a HP4200C Scanner and the quality is poor because of the very very small details on the original manual, so i want to buy another one and i thought maybe some naktalkers can say something about scanning quality of Canon. (FB1220U ?)

Not a Nak question but important for us all making good quality PDF's.

Norman
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From raah at concentric.net  Thu Oct 12 22:20:02 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 16:20:02 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
References: <000a01c03485$07ba04a0$588c55c3@asuscubx>
Message-ID: <39E61CF2.B0A3D139@concentric.net>

> Norman van Wijnen wrote:
> 
> Hello Naktalkers,
> 
> Is there someone who has experience with Canon Scanners?
> I'am scanning some manuals with a HP4200C Scanner and the
> quality is poor because of the very very small details on
> the original manual, so i want to buy another one and i
> thought maybe some naktalkers can say something about
> scanning quality of Canon. (FB1220U ?)
> 
> Not a Nak question but important for us all making good
> quality PDF's.
> 
> Norman


Norman,

I am not familiar with this particular model, but Canon
products are generally quite good.

The spec you should look at for catching small details
is the *optical* resolution, as opposed to *electrical*
resolution. Because the latter is a higher number,
manufacturers tend to emphasize it, even though it's
not that meaningful.

-- Ron
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From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 13 00:23:40 2000
From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas)
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 00:23:40 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] 680zx fluorescent meter
References: <LAW-OE48UAyNPPnOeCT00002a10@hotmail.com> <39DF56A9.A1C2B5A8@concentric.net> <LAW-OE12goFT3kMUVfN000001ae@hotmail.com> <39E0FCDD.FDBEA568@concentric.net> <LAW-OE21O3hRDT6Z3Ls0000050b@hotmail.com> <39E5CB8B.DA026340@concentric.net>
Message-ID: <LAW-OE12wz4kgNr4zCc000007fc@hotmail.com>

Ron wrote:
>Seems to me the heater should ride on -34V (39.6 -0.7 for
>the Q431 base emitter -5 for the ZD402). Of course, while
>the display running. I take it you measured on the heater
>common (ZD402 Cathode) to ground, while the display was on?

Yes, it was that way I done my check.

>Results of measuring the ZD402 with an ohmmeter depend on
>the ohmmeter -- whether the measuring voltage is higher
>than 5V and what is the measurement current. A Zener should
>really be tested at the rated voltage/current.

 I have check the junction of the ZD402, in the forward sense, it is 147 mV
and in reverse sense, 254 mV.
For what I know zener diodes, I assume the reverse sense should block the
tension ... I hope I'm not boring you too long on basic theory, to make a
revealent deed, I will search
a fresh 5V zener to fit instead, but we have yet agreed the bias wasn't the
problem ...

I have look carefully to the pulse of 800 mV (heater common) that I talled
you, when I disconnect the 33k resistor
that short both common of the transformer (1000ZXL mod),  its amplitude rise
very slightly, so normal.
And I can ear a slight level difference too - it came not immediatly to
perception.
We know that pulses disapears when the heater fuse is removed.
When they aren't there (the pulses), there is no audible noise.
I think we are not afar of the solution, did you think a to large current is
possible if both common are frankly short-circuited ?
Any idea on the lowest resistance value I can fit there in the case
short-circuit is prohibited ?

>What I meant was that there is no known design flaw in the 680ZX
>(if there was, we would have heard about it by now).
>This means that the circuit, as designed, works well
>and the problem is in your particular unit.

I am surprised that no 680ZX owners have yet jump in, cause the ageing
prosess is not my 680ZX privilege

Regards,
Matyas

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From raah at concentric.net  Fri Oct 13 00:55:29 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 18:55:29 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] 680zx fluorescent meter
References: <LAW-OE48UAyNPPnOeCT00002a10@hotmail.com> <39DF56A9.A1C2B5A8@concentric.net> <LAW-OE12goFT3kMUVfN000001ae@hotmail.com> <39E0FCDD.FDBEA568@concentric.net> <LAW-OE21O3hRDT6Z3Ls0000050b@hotmail.com> <39E5CB8B.DA026340@concentric.net> <LAW-OE12wz4kgNr4zCc000007fc@hotmail.com>
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Matyas wrote:
> 
> Ron wrote:
> >Seems to me the heater should ride on -34V (39.6 -0.7 for
> >the Q431 base emitter -5 for the ZD402). Of course, while
> >the display running. I take it you measured on the heater
> >common (ZD402 Cathode) to ground, while the display was on?
> 
> Yes, it was that way I done my check.
> 
> >Results of measuring the ZD402 with an ohmmeter depend on
> >the ohmmeter -- whether the measuring voltage is higher
> >than 5V and what is the measurement current. A Zener should
> >really be tested at the rated voltage/current.
> 
> I have check the junction of the ZD402, in the forward sense,
> it is 147 mV and in reverse sense, 254 mV.
> For what I know zener diodes, I assume the reverse sense
> should block the tension

If I understand you correctly, then the Zener is bad. When
reverse biased, it should show an open, until the voltage
across it increases to 5V, at which point is should 'break
down' and it's resistance should become very low (without
a series resistor it will self-destruct).

So, if you measure with an ohmmeter that applies less than
5V, the Zener should show an open in the reverse direction.

If indeed the Zener is blown, this is worth following
through.

> ... I hope I'm not boring you too long on basic theory,
> to make a revealent deed, I will search a fresh 5V zener
> to fit instead, but we have yet agreed the bias wasn't the
> problem ...
> 
> I have look carefully to the pulse of 800 mV (heater common) that I talled
> you, when I disconnect the 33k resistor
> that short both common of the transformer (1000ZXL mod),  its amplitude rise
> very slightly, so normal.
> And I can ear a slight level difference too - it came not immediatly to
> perception.
> We know that pulses disapears when the heater fuse is removed.
> When they aren't there (the pulses), there is no audible noise.
> I think we are not afar of the solution, did you think a to large current is
> possible if both common are frankly short-circuited ?
> Any idea on the lowest resistance value I can fit there in the case
> short-circuit is prohibited ?

Matyas, I do not have the 1000ZXL schematic, so I am
not sure what you mean.

> >What I meant was that there is no known design flaw in the 680ZX
> >(if there was, we would have heard about it by now).
> >This means that the circuit, as designed, works well
> >and the problem is in your particular unit.
> 
> I am surprised that no 680ZX owners have yet jump in, cause the ageing
> prosess is not my 680ZX privilege

But possibly, this is not aging, but an actual fault
somewhere.

-- Ron

> 
> Regards,
> Matyas
>
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Fri Oct 13 01:12:34 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 00:12:34 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Viruses
In-Reply-To: <HLGGOLFDGDLGIAAA@angelfire.com>
Message-ID: <001001c034a1$e7434b60$bf6743d4@a4s1s2>

I think Blues makes a good point and is right to alert us to the risks.  The
nastier viruses are the new ones that the Dr Norton's, McAfee's, etc of this
World have yet to get around to countering. They only find out about them
after a heck of a lot of PC's have been infected.  And not all infected
files have to be "opened" to make their payloads do their worst - I have
read recently that some of the newest varieties only have to be highlighted
in Outlook to deliver.

Graham

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> The BlueSwapper
> Sent: 12 October 2000 00:31
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Cc: Mr Blues
> Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #419
>
>
> Greetings......
>
> Indeed, to each his own choice!  I personally, never open
> attachments.  I agree that saving and scanning with a virus
> protection package like Norton AntiVirus is the pragmatic
> approach if you must open email-borne attached files.
>
> Careful though, and heed my warning; even Peter Norton (the god
> who created AntiVirus), cannot protect you from the meanies who
> constantly build ever nastier monstrosities to wreak havoc.
> Those meanies are on the loose worldwide, and when you least
> expect it, a new and impervious virus will slip in to sting you
> and your computer gear.  We're a truely global community on
> NakTalk, and we rely on an open internet environment to
> communicate. The unfortunate Kannan episode hit several of the
> membership, and that is why I want to raise my brothers awareness.
>
> Peace......
>
> Blues
>
> ---
> Help keep the blues alive!  Got Some???
> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper
>
>
>
> On Wed, 11 Oct 2000 19:51:34   naktalk-digest wrote:
> >
> >naktalk-digest Wednesday, October 11 2000       Volume 02 : Number 419
> >
>
> >
> >SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote:
> >
> >> Thank God (that is his highness, Peter Norton) for Norton
> Antivirus which wouldn't allow me download the file to
> >> open it.
> >>
> >> -Sam
> >> Ephesians 4:13
> >>
> >
> >Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:49:58 -0400
> >From: Ron <raah at concentric.net>
> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Back To The Basics....
> >
>
> >
> >Blues,
> >
> >I see no problem with email attachments. People need
> >to be careful, though, and verify that received
> >attachment files are not executable (meaning, file
> >extensions TXT, JPG, GIF etc. are OK. File extensions
> >like VBS, EXE, PIF, DOC, XLS etc. are executable and
> >potentially dangerous). All files should *never* be
> >opened, but saved to disk and scanned by an up-to-date
> >virus scanner before opening.
> >
> >Personally, I use Norton Anti-Virus and update it every
> >30 days or so. In this case, I saw the PIF extension and
> >started a save to disk when Norton came up and announced
> >the virus. I clicked to delete the file and that was that.
> >
> >On a philosophical note, I wonder what kind of vermin
> >feel compelled to harm people they don't even know. What
> >is their motivation?
> >
> >- -- Ron
> >
>
> >
> >Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 18:21:02 +0200 (MET DST)
> >From: Karl-Heinz Herrmann <k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de>
> >Subject: [naktalk] rambling on executables as attachement...
> >
> >Hi,
> >
> >On 11-Oct-00 Ron wrote:
> >> attachment files are not executable (meaning, file
> >> extensions TXT, JPG, GIF etc. are OK.
> >
> >Yes of course are picture attachements as such ok.
> >If they would be appropriate on a mailing list is questionable at least.
> >
> >
> >> File extensions like VBS, EXE, PIF, DOC, XLS etc. are executable and >
> >> potentially dangerous).
> >
> >Right there start the big problems!
> >
> >1) Who knows *all* these (executable) extensions anymore?
> >
> >2) And starting with Win9X the *default* is to *hide* the extensions.
> >   That's what made the "I love You" virus so effective -- the .txt.vbs
> >   where the .vbs was stripped and interpreted by the OS/Browser and
> >   Everybody saw an .txt file and wanted to *read* it, not execute.
> >
> >
> >> All files should *never* be opened
> >
> >Thats depending on the definition of "opening", isn't it? I.e. what has
> >"opening" to do with "running" something. By opening a .vbs I
> would expect to
> >see the file in an editor....
> >
> >And *my* opinion is, that this "never open" should be handled by the mail
> >program: Configure it so it will *not run* anything executable. And that
> >should be the default of any mailer.
> >Unfortunately some wellknown big software companies think its
> nice to have
> >everything automatic and use that as the default setting.
> >
> >
> >"Never start any executable where you don't know of what it
> does" would be
> >the right thing. But who knows which word *.doc files have a nasty
> >autostarting macro ?
> >Who of you know that pressing the "shift" key during opening of a *doc
> >file will make word *not* to execute the autostart macro (at
> least word 6.0
> >did it).
> >Which Programs/Applications will actually be capable of running
> some kind of
> >macro or program which is hidden inside a file? That's probably the major
> >design flaw with Can-do-it-all Office Packages, they are wide open to
> >malicious attacks. It's definitely time for more security like digitally
> >signed files where you can at least be sure where it's from and
> that it's not
> >modified. This would still not protect you from little jokes by
> your trusted
> >friends though.
> >
> >
> >- ----
> >
> >So for naktalk: banning all attachements is too strong a thing, let the
> >additional html versions be there for people which want to read the html
> >version, some mailer would forward a mail by making a
> txt-attachement from
> >it. But anything binary is on mailinglists a little bit out of
> place anyway.
> >Especially since Wouter has the ftp area on ftp.naks.com where
> binary files
> >can easily be exchanged (not that they were more save there, but
> everybody
> >will at least have to get and run the files and know that he is running a
> >program -- and no virus will think of copying himself there
> automatically).
> >
> >
> >Would it be useful to ban *.doc and *pif and *xls files?
> >
> >Wouter, I would suggest to block the Mime-Types:
> >
> >application/msword   (I checked this)
> >application/msexcel  (is this the right type? I haven't one to check...)
> >... etc
> >as well, since they can be as malicious as .vbs and *.exe files.
> If somebody
> >want's to share nak related word documents or excel-sheets they are much
> >better on ftp.naks.com.
> >
> >I'm quite sure that some viruses are copying themself via *.doc files and
> >mail -- but they won't log on to ftp.naks.com and copy themselfs
> there and
> >everybody will tell naktalk or you that he uploaded a file -- if
> files get
> >there without announcement they are suspect anyway.
> >
> >Is that an idea acceptable by all (most)? Any more Mime-types to
> block to get
> >the mailinglist as secure as possible?
> >
> >
> >K.-H.
> >
> >
> >-
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >E-Mail: Karl-Heinz Herrmann <k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de>
> >http://www.fz-juelich.de/icg/icg7/FestFluGre/transport/khh/general.html
> >Sent: 11-Oct-00, 17:34:29
> >-
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> >Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 19:56:51 +0200
> >From: Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] rambling on executables as attachement...
> >
> >Ok, I'll add those tomorrow.
> >Then we have blocked most attatchment typed that can be harmful.
> >Please notice that if you send a mail with such an attatchment
> it will not reach the
> >list and you won't be notified of it, but I will!
> >
> >Wouter
> >
>
> >------------------------------
> >
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From marc at stager.com  Fri Oct 13 01:23:39 2000
From: marc at stager.com (Marc Stager)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 19:23:39 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
In-Reply-To: <39E61CF2.B0A3D139@concentric.net>
References: <000a01c03485$07ba04a0$588c55c3@asuscubx>
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20001012191634.01ca6eb0@mail.flashcom.net>


>Norman,
>
>I am not familiar with this particular model, but Canon
>products are generally quite good.
>
>The spec you should look at for catching small details
>is the *optical* resolution, as opposed to *electrical*
>resolution. Because the latter is a higher number,
>manufacturers tend to emphasize it, even though it's
>not that meaningful.
>-- Ron

Even the lowest of low end scanners can do 600 x 1200 optical
resolution these days. But if you scan into a file with this
resolution the file will be 8 to 10 megs in size, so that's
why I'm saying that the limitation lies in the software.
Maybe the true resolution used to create the GIF file is
too low.

I scan color slides at 2400 dpi, and a relatively tiny area
of 1 x 1.5 inches makes a 2 meg 24 bit JPG file. Imagine
what a full page 8 x 10 would come to.

They come out looking like this:
http://marc.stager.com/gallery

______________________ Marc Stager


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From marc at stager.com  Fri Oct 13 01:14:50 2000
From: marc at stager.com (Marc Stager)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 19:14:50 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
In-Reply-To: <000a01c03485$07ba04a0$588c55c3@asuscubx>
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20001012190845.01c9e4d0@mail.flashcom.net>

As a rule, Canon makes a decent product.

For text scanning you should be using a setting of 300 or 400 dpi
to a GIF file. It/they can later be made into nice clear PDF's
with Acrobat or a shareware program mentioned here before -
I don't recall the name.

The loss of quality may be in your transfer, not in the hardware.
300 dpi is the minimum for good readable text.

For a good overview of the current scanner market
check here:
http://computershopper.zdnet.com/texis/cs/doframe.html?u=www.zdnet.com/computershopper/edit/howtobuy/

Have a good scan,
________________________________ Marc Stager

=============================================

At 10/12/00, you wrote:
>Hello Naktalkers,
>
>Is there someone who has experience with Canon Scanners?
>I'm scanning some manuals with a HP4200C Scanner and the quality is poor
>  because of the very very small details on the original manual, so i want 
> to buy
>another one and i thought maybe some naktalkers can say something about
>scanning quality of Canon. (FB1220U ?)
>
>Not a Nak question but important for us all making good quality PDF's.
>
>Norman

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From targowski at mediaone.net  Fri Oct 13 02:50:48 2000
From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 19:50:48 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20001012190845.01c9e4d0@mail.flashcom.net>
Message-ID: <NDBBLFHPELODKPKLBMPGIEPNCCAA.targowski@mediaone.net>

Sorry for talking about scanners. Norman - HP4200C is a perfectly good
scanner. I wouldn't switch HP for a Canon (although they are good too.) I
have an HP6200C, it does a wonderful job on pictures and worse on text,
unless you use very high resolution, and resulting huge files.

Stick to your HP. What you have is a CR3A, and you are considering is a
loaded 3 head Onkyo or JVC going Canon ...

Stan

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
Marc Stager
Sent: Thu, October 12, 2000 6:15 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scanner Questions


As a rule, Canon makes a decent product.

For text scanning you should be using a setting of 300 or 400 dpi
to a GIF file. It/they can later be made into nice clear PDF's
with Acrobat or a shareware program mentioned here before -
I don't recall the name.

The loss of quality may be in your transfer, not in the hardware.
300 dpi is the minimum for good readable text.

For a good overview of the current scanner market
check here:
http://computershopper.zdnet.com/texis/cs/doframe.html?u=www.zdnet.com/compu
tershopper/edit/howtobuy/

Have a good scan,
________________________________ Marc Stager

=============================================

At 10/12/00, you wrote:
>Hello Naktalkers,
>
>Is there someone who has experience with Canon Scanners?
>I'm scanning some manuals with a HP4200C Scanner and the quality is poor
>  because of the very very small details on the original manual, so i want
> to buy
>another one and i thought maybe some naktalkers can say something about
>scanning quality of Canon. (FB1220U ?)
>
>Not a Nak question but important for us all making good quality PDF's.
>
>Norman

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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Fri Oct 13 06:32:13 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:02:13 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] Viruses
Message-ID: <004d01c034ce$8f8d8de0$42d60192@vsnl>

Yeah I completely agree with Grahan and Blues - not because I was the
unfortunate one to get caught in this, generally I do not attach any files
as we get thousands of resumes in to my machine with Word docs I had found -
good old text file is enough for 100% of the resumes we read.
Almost I lost two days of precious time because of this virus and may be
some body else would have spent sleepless nights and days over it as PC
today is main machine in our offices and home like telephone or Fax
machines. Downtime due to virus attack is not worth. Somebody can send a
picture or any other interesting info to Wouter thru FTP area for safe
receipt or viewing by all. And this is my humble opinion

-----Original Message-----
From: Graham Nelson <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Friday, October 13, 2000 5:35 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Viruses


>I think Blues makes a good point and is right to alert us to the risks.
The
>nastier viruses are the new ones that the Dr Norton's, McAfee's, etc of
this
>World have yet to get around to countering. They only find out about them
>after a heck of a lot of PC's have been infected.  And not all infected
>files have to be "opened" to make their payloads do their worst - I have
>read recently that some of the newest varieties only have to be highlighted
>in Outlook to deliver.
>
>Graham
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
>> The BlueSwapper
>> Sent: 12 October 2000 00:31
>> To: naktalk at naks.com
>> Cc: Mr Blues
>> Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #419
>>
>>
>> Greetings......
>>
>> Indeed, to each his own choice!  I personally, never open
>> attachments.  I agree that saving and scanning with a virus
>> protection package like Norton AntiVirus is the pragmatic
>> approach if you must open email-borne attached files.
>>
>> Careful though, and heed my warning; even Peter Norton (the god
>> who created AntiVirus), cannot protect you from the meanies who
>> constantly build ever nastier monstrosities to wreak havoc.
>> Those meanies are on the loose worldwide, and when you least
>> expect it, a new and impervious virus will slip in to sting you
>> and your computer gear.  We're a truely global community on
>> NakTalk, and we rely on an open internet environment to
>> communicate. The unfortunate Kannan episode hit several of the
>> membership, and that is why I want to raise my brothers awareness.
>>
>> Peace......
>>
>> Blues
>>
>> ---
>> Help keep the blues alive!  Got Some???
>> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 11 Oct 2000 19:51:34   naktalk-digest wrote:
>> >
>> >naktalk-digest Wednesday, October 11 2000       Volume 02 : Number 419
>> >
>>
>> >
>> >SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote:
>> >
>> >> Thank God (that is his highness, Peter Norton) for Norton
>> Antivirus which wouldn't allow me download the file to
>> >> open it.
>> >>
>> >> -Sam
>> >> Ephesians 4:13
>> >>
>> >
>> >Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:49:58 -0400
>> >From: Ron <raah at concentric.net>
>> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Back To The Basics....
>> >
>>
>> >
>> >Blues,
>> >
>> >I see no problem with email attachments. People need
>> >to be careful, though, and verify that received
>> >attachment files are not executable (meaning, file
>> >extensions TXT, JPG, GIF etc. are OK. File extensions
>> >like VBS, EXE, PIF, DOC, XLS etc. are executable and
>> >potentially dangerous). All files should *never* be
>> >opened, but saved to disk and scanned by an up-to-date
>> >virus scanner before opening.
>> >
>> >Personally, I use Norton Anti-Virus and update it every
>> >30 days or so. In this case, I saw the PIF extension and
>> >started a save to disk when Norton came up and announced
>> >the virus. I clicked to delete the file and that was that.
>> >
>> >On a philosophical note, I wonder what kind of vermin
>> >feel compelled to harm people they don't even know. What
>> >is their motivation?
>> >
>> >- -- Ron
>> >
>>
>> >
>> >Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 18:21:02 +0200 (MET DST)
>> >From: Karl-Heinz Herrmann <k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de>
>> >Subject: [naktalk] rambling on executables as attachement...
>> >
>> >Hi,
>> >
>> >On 11-Oct-00 Ron wrote:
>> >> attachment files are not executable (meaning, file
>> >> extensions TXT, JPG, GIF etc. are OK.
>> >
>> >Yes of course are picture attachements as such ok.
>> >If they would be appropriate on a mailing list is questionable at least.
>> >
>> >
>> >> File extensions like VBS, EXE, PIF, DOC, XLS etc. are executable and >
>> >> potentially dangerous).
>> >
>> >Right there start the big problems!
>> >
>> >1) Who knows *all* these (executable) extensions anymore?
>> >
>> >2) And starting with Win9X the *default* is to *hide* the extensions.
>> >   That's what made the "I love You" virus so effective -- the .txt.vbs
>> >   where the .vbs was stripped and interpreted by the OS/Browser and
>> >   Everybody saw an .txt file and wanted to *read* it, not execute.
>> >
>> >
>> >> All files should *never* be opened
>> >
>> >Thats depending on the definition of "opening", isn't it? I.e. what has
>> >"opening" to do with "running" something. By opening a .vbs I
>> would expect to
>> >see the file in an editor....
>> >
>> >And *my* opinion is, that this "never open" should be handled by the
mail
>> >program: Configure it so it will *not run* anything executable. And that
>> >should be the default of any mailer.
>> >Unfortunately some wellknown big software companies think its
>> nice to have
>> >everything automatic and use that as the default setting.
>> >
>> >
>> >"Never start any executable where you don't know of what it
>> does" would be
>> >the right thing. But who knows which word *.doc files have a nasty
>> >autostarting macro ?
>> >Who of you know that pressing the "shift" key during opening of a *doc
>> >file will make word *not* to execute the autostart macro (at
>> least word 6.0
>> >did it).
>> >Which Programs/Applications will actually be capable of running
>> some kind of
>> >macro or program which is hidden inside a file? That's probably the
major
>> >design flaw with Can-do-it-all Office Packages, they are wide open to
>> >malicious attacks. It's definitely time for more security like digitally
>> >signed files where you can at least be sure where it's from and
>> that it's not
>> >modified. This would still not protect you from little jokes by
>> your trusted
>> >friends though.
>> >
>> >
>> >- ----
>> >
>> >So for naktalk: banning all attachements is too strong a thing, let the
>> >additional html versions be there for people which want to read the html
>> >version, some mailer would forward a mail by making a
>> txt-attachement from
>> >it. But anything binary is on mailinglists a little bit out of
>> place anyway.
>> >Especially since Wouter has the ftp area on ftp.naks.com where
>> binary files
>> >can easily be exchanged (not that they were more save there, but
>> everybody
>> >will at least have to get and run the files and know that he is running
a
>> >program -- and no virus will think of copying himself there
>> automatically).
>> >
>> >
>> >Would it be useful to ban *.doc and *pif and *xls files?
>> >
>> >Wouter, I would suggest to block the Mime-Types:
>> >
>> >application/msword   (I checked this)
>> >application/msexcel  (is this the right type? I haven't one to check...)
>> >... etc
>> >as well, since they can be as malicious as .vbs and *.exe files.
>> If somebody
>> >want's to share nak related word documents or excel-sheets they are much
>> >better on ftp.naks.com.
>> >
>> >I'm quite sure that some viruses are copying themself via *.doc files
and
>> >mail -- but they won't log on to ftp.naks.com and copy themselfs
>> there and
>> >everybody will tell naktalk or you that he uploaded a file -- if
>> files get
>> >there without announcement they are suspect anyway.
>> >
>> >Is that an idea acceptable by all (most)? Any more Mime-types to
>> block to get
>> >the mailinglist as secure as possible?
>> >
>> >
>> >K.-H.
>> >
>> >
>> >-
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>> >http://www.fz-juelich.de/icg/icg7/FestFluGre/transport/khh/general.html
>> >Sent: 11-Oct-00, 17:34:29
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>> >Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 19:56:51 +0200
>> >From: Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
>> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] rambling on executables as attachement...
>> >
>> >Ok, I'll add those tomorrow.
>> >Then we have blocked most attatchment typed that can be harmful.
>> >Please notice that if you send a mail with such an attatchment
>> it will not reach the
>> >list and you won't be notified of it, but I will!
>> >
>> >Wouter
>> >
>>
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>> >
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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Fri Oct 13 06:33:22 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:03:22 +0530
Subject: Fw: [naktalk] Viruses
Message-ID: <005601c034ce$b8c501c0$42d60192@vsnl>

Sorry I left out signing this message
Kannan
-----Original Message-----
From: Kannan. S <kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Friday, October 13, 2000 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Viruses


>Yeah I completely agree with Grahan and Blues - not because I was the
>unfortunate one to get caught in this, generally I do not attach any files
>as we get thousands of resumes in to my machine with Word docs I had
found -
>good old text file is enough for 100% of the resumes we read.
>Almost I lost two days of precious time because of this virus and may be
>some body else would have spent sleepless nights and days over it as PC
>today is main machine in our offices and home like telephone or Fax
>machines. Downtime due to virus attack is not worth. Somebody can send a
>picture or any other interesting info to Wouter thru FTP area for safe
>receipt or viewing by all. And this is my humble opinion
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Graham Nelson <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
>To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
>Date: Friday, October 13, 2000 5:35 AM
>Subject: [naktalk] Viruses
>
>
>>I think Blues makes a good point and is right to alert us to the risks.
>The
>>nastier viruses are the new ones that the Dr Norton's, McAfee's, etc of
>this
>>World have yet to get around to countering. They only find out about them
>>after a heck of a lot of PC's have been infected.  And not all infected
>>files have to be "opened" to make their payloads do their worst - I have
>>read recently that some of the newest varieties only have to be
highlighted
>>in Outlook to deliver.
>>
>>Graham
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
>>> The BlueSwapper
>>> Sent: 12 October 2000 00:31
>>> To: naktalk at naks.com
>>> Cc: Mr Blues
>>> Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #419
>>>
>>>
>>> Greetings......
>>>
>>> Indeed, to each his own choice!  I personally, never open
>>> attachments.  I agree that saving and scanning with a virus
>>> protection package like Norton AntiVirus is the pragmatic
>>> approach if you must open email-borne attached files.
>>>
>>> Careful though, and heed my warning; even Peter Norton (the god
>>> who created AntiVirus), cannot protect you from the meanies who
>>> constantly build ever nastier monstrosities to wreak havoc.
>>> Those meanies are on the loose worldwide, and when you least
>>> expect it, a new and impervious virus will slip in to sting you
>>> and your computer gear.  We're a truely global community on
>>> NakTalk, and we rely on an open internet environment to
>>> communicate. The unfortunate Kannan episode hit several of the
>>> membership, and that is why I want to raise my brothers awareness.
>>>
>>> Peace......
>>>
>>> Blues
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Help keep the blues alive!  Got Some???
>>> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 11 Oct 2000 19:51:34   naktalk-digest wrote:
>>> >
>>> >naktalk-digest Wednesday, October 11 2000       Volume 02 : Number 419
>>> >
>>>
>>> >
>>> >SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Thank God (that is his highness, Peter Norton) for Norton
>>> Antivirus which wouldn't allow me download the file to
>>> >> open it.
>>> >>
>>> >> -Sam
>>> >> Ephesians 4:13
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:49:58 -0400
>>> >From: Ron <raah at concentric.net>
>>> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Back To The Basics....
>>> >
>>>
>>> >
>>> >Blues,
>>> >
>>> >I see no problem with email attachments. People need
>>> >to be careful, though, and verify that received
>>> >attachment files are not executable (meaning, file
>>> >extensions TXT, JPG, GIF etc. are OK. File extensions
>>> >like VBS, EXE, PIF, DOC, XLS etc. are executable and
>>> >potentially dangerous). All files should *never* be
>>> >opened, but saved to disk and scanned by an up-to-date
>>> >virus scanner before opening.
>>> >
>>> >Personally, I use Norton Anti-Virus and update it every
>>> >30 days or so. In this case, I saw the PIF extension and
>>> >started a save to disk when Norton came up and announced
>>> >the virus. I clicked to delete the file and that was that.
>>> >
>>> >On a philosophical note, I wonder what kind of vermin
>>> >feel compelled to harm people they don't even know. What
>>> >is their motivation?
>>> >
>>> >- -- Ron
>>> >
>>>
>>> >
>>> >Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 18:21:02 +0200 (MET DST)
>>> >From: Karl-Heinz Herrmann <k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de>
>>> >Subject: [naktalk] rambling on executables as attachement...
>>> >
>>> >Hi,
>>> >
>>> >On 11-Oct-00 Ron wrote:
>>> >> attachment files are not executable (meaning, file
>>> >> extensions TXT, JPG, GIF etc. are OK.
>>> >
>>> >Yes of course are picture attachements as such ok.
>>> >If they would be appropriate on a mailing list is questionable at
least.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> File extensions like VBS, EXE, PIF, DOC, XLS etc. are executable and
>
>>> >> potentially dangerous).
>>> >
>>> >Right there start the big problems!
>>> >
>>> >1) Who knows *all* these (executable) extensions anymore?
>>> >
>>> >2) And starting with Win9X the *default* is to *hide* the extensions.
>>> >   That's what made the "I love You" virus so effective -- the .txt.vbs
>>> >   where the .vbs was stripped and interpreted by the OS/Browser and
>>> >   Everybody saw an .txt file and wanted to *read* it, not execute.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> All files should *never* be opened
>>> >
>>> >Thats depending on the definition of "opening", isn't it? I.e. what has
>>> >"opening" to do with "running" something. By opening a .vbs I
>>> would expect to
>>> >see the file in an editor....
>>> >
>>> >And *my* opinion is, that this "never open" should be handled by the
>mail
>>> >program: Configure it so it will *not run* anything executable. And
that
>>> >should be the default of any mailer.
>>> >Unfortunately some wellknown big software companies think its
>>> nice to have
>>> >everything automatic and use that as the default setting.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >"Never start any executable where you don't know of what it
>>> does" would be
>>> >the right thing. But who knows which word *.doc files have a nasty
>>> >autostarting macro ?
>>> >Who of you know that pressing the "shift" key during opening of a *doc
>>> >file will make word *not* to execute the autostart macro (at
>>> least word 6.0
>>> >did it).
>>> >Which Programs/Applications will actually be capable of running
>>> some kind of
>>> >macro or program which is hidden inside a file? That's probably the
>major
>>> >design flaw with Can-do-it-all Office Packages, they are wide open to
>>> >malicious attacks. It's definitely time for more security like
digitally
>>> >signed files where you can at least be sure where it's from and
>>> that it's not
>>> >modified. This would still not protect you from little jokes by
>>> your trusted
>>> >friends though.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >- ----
>>> >
>>> >So for naktalk: banning all attachements is too strong a thing, let the
>>> >additional html versions be there for people which want to read the
html
>>> >version, some mailer would forward a mail by making a
>>> txt-attachement from
>>> >it. But anything binary is on mailinglists a little bit out of
>>> place anyway.
>>> >Especially since Wouter has the ftp area on ftp.naks.com where
>>> binary files
>>> >can easily be exchanged (not that they were more save there, but
>>> everybody
>>> >will at least have to get and run the files and know that he is running
>a
>>> >program -- and no virus will think of copying himself there
>>> automatically).
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >Would it be useful to ban *.doc and *pif and *xls files?
>>> >
>>> >Wouter, I would suggest to block the Mime-Types:
>>> >
>>> >application/msword   (I checked this)
>>> >application/msexcel  (is this the right type? I haven't one to
check...)
>>> >... etc
>>> >as well, since they can be as malicious as .vbs and *.exe files.
>>> If somebody
>>> >want's to share nak related word documents or excel-sheets they are
much
>>> >better on ftp.naks.com.
>>> >
>>> >I'm quite sure that some viruses are copying themself via *.doc files
>and
>>> >mail -- but they won't log on to ftp.naks.com and copy themselfs
>>> there and
>>> >everybody will tell naktalk or you that he uploaded a file -- if
>>> files get
>>> >there without announcement they are suspect anyway.
>>> >
>>> >Is that an idea acceptable by all (most)? Any more Mime-types to
>>> block to get
>>> >the mailinglist as secure as possible?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >K.-H.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >-
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> >E-Mail: Karl-Heinz Herrmann <k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de>
>>> >http://www.fz-juelich.de/icg/icg7/FestFluGre/transport/khh/general.html
>>> >Sent: 11-Oct-00, 17:34:29
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>>> >Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 19:56:51 +0200
>>> >From: Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
>>> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] rambling on executables as attachement...
>>> >
>>> >Ok, I'll add those tomorrow.
>>> >Then we have blocked most attatchment typed that can be harmful.
>>> >Please notice that if you send a mail with such an attatchment
>>> it will not reach the
>>> >list and you won't be notified of it, but I will!
>>> >
>>> >Wouter
>>> >
>>>
>>> >------------------------------
>>> >
>>> >End of naktalk-digest V2 #419
>>> >*****************************
>>> >
>>> >
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From enoyes at snet.net  Fri Oct 13 06:01:02 2000
From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes)
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 00:01:02 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] What about a users gallery?
References: <004d01c034ce$8f8d8de0$42d60192@vsnl>
Message-ID: <39E688F9.D2866F0F@snet.net>

All this talk of attachments with posts got me thinking of an old idea from a few
years ago... what about the possibility of a users page on the site with postings of
Naktalkers and their gear. I'd love to see a shot of Graham with a cup of tea (or
rubbing alcohol perhaps depending on the hour) next to his beloved Naks... or Carlos
amid the wall of great ones. I could go on, but you get the idea. Maybe I'm crazy, but
it would be neat.

Ed

"Kannan. S" wrote:

> Yeah I completely agree with Grahan and Blues - not because I was the
> unfortunate one to get caught in this, generally I do not attach any files
> as we get thousands of resumes in to my machine with Word docs I had found -
> good old text file is enough for 100% of the resumes we read.
> Almost I lost two days of precious time because of this virus and may be
> some body else would have spent sleepless nights and days over it as PC
> today is main machine in our offices and home like telephone or Fax
> machines. Downtime due to virus attack is not worth. Somebody can send a
> picture or any other interesting info to Wouter thru FTP area for safe
> receipt or viewing by all. And this is my humble opinion
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Graham Nelson <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> Date: Friday, October 13, 2000 5:35 AM
> Subject: [naktalk] Viruses

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From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua  Fri Oct 13 08:14:59 2000
From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM)
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 08:14:59 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] What about a users gallery?
References: <004d01c034ce$8f8d8de0$42d60192@vsnl> <39E688F9.D2866F0F@snet.net>
Message-ID: <00e601c034dc$ece2a620$0100007f@localhost>

Hi Ed,

Good idea!

Misha

PS: Graham, my friend! Please don't cry, some day you will have a NAKS ;)

> All this talk of attachments with posts got me thinking of an old idea
from a few
> years ago... what about the possibility of a users page on the site with
postings of
> Naktalkers and their gear. I'd love to see a shot of Graham with a cup of
tea (or
> rubbing alcohol perhaps depending on the hour) next to his beloved Naks...
or Carlos
> amid the wall of great ones. I could go on, but you get the idea. Maybe
I'm crazy, but
> it would be neat.
>
> Ed

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From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua  Fri Oct 13 09:27:26 2000
From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM)
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 09:27:26 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] What about a users gallery?
References: <004d01c034ce$8f8d8de0$42d60192@vsnl> <39E688F9.D2866F0F@snet.net> <00e601c034dc$ece2a620$0100007f@localhost>
Message-ID: <00f801c034e7$0b648280$0100007f@localhost>

Hi Ed,

One more thing. People will know us in face, so one
realy bad day great hunting may begin... Should we
be on a mask?

Misha

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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Fri Oct 13 10:04:42 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 09:04:42 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] What about a users gallery?
In-Reply-To: <39E688F9.D2866F0F@snet.net>
Message-ID: <000201c034ec$3e67f360$041b883e@a4s1s2>

Ed

I will send you a picture .... but you may not dare to open it!!!  :¬)

Graham

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> Ed Noyes
> Sent: 13 October 2000 05:01
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] What about a users gallery?
>
>
> All this talk of attachments with posts got me thinking of an old
> idea from a few
> years ago... what about the possibility of a users page on the
> site with postings of
> Naktalkers and their gear. I'd love to see a shot of Graham with
> a cup of tea (or
> rubbing alcohol perhaps depending on the hour) next to his
> beloved Naks... or Carlos
> amid the wall of great ones. I could go on, but you get the idea.
> Maybe I'm crazy, but
> it would be neat.
>
> Ed
>
> "Kannan. S" wrote:
>
> > Yeah I completely agree with Grahan and Blues - not because I was the
> > unfortunate one to get caught in this, generally I do not
> attach any files
> > as we get thousands of resumes in to my machine with Word docs
> I had found -
> > good old text file is enough for 100% of the resumes we read.
> > Almost I lost two days of precious time because of this virus and may be
> > some body else would have spent sleepless nights and days over it as PC
> > today is main machine in our offices and home like telephone or Fax
> > machines. Downtime due to virus attack is not worth. Somebody can send a
> > picture or any other interesting info to Wouter thru FTP area for safe
> > receipt or viewing by all. And this is my humble opinion
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Graham Nelson <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> > To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Date: Friday, October 13, 2000 5:35 AM
> > Subject: [naktalk] Viruses
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Fri Oct 13 10:04:46 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 09:04:46 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] What about a users gallery?
In-Reply-To: <00e601c034dc$ece2a620$0100007f@localhost>
Message-ID: <000301c034ec$404d2e20$041b883e@a4s1s2>

Thanks, Misha - yes, the idea of me posing with a Nak was rubbing the salt
in the wound!!!

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> MVM
> Sent: 13 October 2000 07:15
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] What about a users gallery?
>
>
> Hi Ed,
>
> Good idea!
>
> Misha
>
> PS: Graham, my friend! Please don't cry, some day you will have a NAKS ;)
>
> > All this talk of attachments with posts got me thinking of an old idea
> from a few
> > years ago... what about the possibility of a users page on the site with
> postings of
> > Naktalkers and their gear. I'd love to see a shot of Graham
> with a cup of
> tea (or
> > rubbing alcohol perhaps depending on the hour) next to his
> beloved Naks...
> or Carlos
> > amid the wall of great ones. I could go on, but you get the idea. Maybe
> I'm crazy, but
> > it would be neat.
> >
> > Ed
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From jazzisjazz at mindspring.com  Fri Oct 13 15:08:06 2000
From: jazzisjazz at mindspring.com (jazzisjazz at mindspring.com)
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 09:08:06 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] VIRUS WARNING !!!!!!
Message-ID: <Springmail.105.971442486.0.73186000@www.springmail.com>

Hi Nick,
My Win 95 does not load at the moment( apparently sound card and vid card drivers were affected ) . Would appreciate any info if it Would help me recover from safe mode.

Thanks,

Stan


naktalk at naks.com wrote:
> 




Nick
�
I know 
someone who's been hit with this one.� Could you e-mail me with details of 
how you got rid of it, please?
�
Graham

  -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com 
  [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Nick 
  Igritski
> Sent: 10 October 2000 00:24
> To: 
  naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] VIRUS WARNING 
  !!!!!!
> Importance: High
> 
> It's the so called 
  Troyan virus and it's very dangerous. In my case my Windows 98 ceased to load 
  properly. Be very careful guys! If you need some help on how to fix the 
  consequences of this goddamn virus, email me. If it's not too late though... 
  <P>Take care 
  <P>Nick 

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From n.van.wijnen at castel.nl  Sat Oct 14 00:48:57 2000
From: n.van.wijnen at castel.nl (Norman van Wijnen)
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 00:48:57 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
References: <NDBBLFHPELODKPKLBMPGIEPNCCAA.targowski@mediaone.net>
Message-ID: <001b01c03567$c6221580$118c55c3@asuscubx>

Thanks Stan,

Your point is clear,

The idea of taking a onkyo for a nak......

But a have a problem with the sharpness of the black and white scan
(scanning the dragon manual). The details on the original manual are so
small that you must zoom in the scan and then the words and letters are not
good readable. I thought that the canon (1200 x 2400 dpi) can give me a more
detailed scan. But i'am no expert thats for sure.
I think that a go to the shop with my manual and do a number of scans on
different scanners.

Gretings Norman

----- Original Message -----
From: Stan Targowski <targowski at mediaone.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 2:50 AM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Scanner Questions


> Sorry for talking about scanners. Norman - HP4200C is a perfectly good
> scanner. I wouldn't switch HP for a Canon (although they are good too.) I
> have an HP6200C, it does a wonderful job on pictures and worse on text,
> unless you use very high resolution, and resulting huge files.
>
> Stick to your HP. What you have is a CR3A, and you are considering is a
> loaded 3 head Onkyo or JVC going Canon ...
>
> Stan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> Marc Stager
> Sent: Thu, October 12, 2000 6:15 PM
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
>
>
> As a rule, Canon makes a decent product.
>
> For text scanning you should be using a setting of 300 or 400 dpi
> to a GIF file. It/they can later be made into nice clear PDF's
> with Acrobat or a shareware program mentioned here before -
> I don't recall the name.
>
> The loss of quality may be in your transfer, not in the hardware.
> 300 dpi is the minimum for good readable text.
>
> For a good overview of the current scanner market
> check here:
>
http://computershopper.zdnet.com/texis/cs/doframe.html?u=www.zdnet.com/compu
> tershopper/edit/howtobuy/
>
> Have a good scan,
> ________________________________ Marc Stager
>
> =============================================
>
> At 10/12/00, you wrote:
> >Hello Naktalkers,
> >
> >Is there someone who has experience with Canon Scanners?
> >I'm scanning some manuals with a HP4200C Scanner and the quality is poor
> >  because of the very very small details on the original manual, so i
want
> > to buy
> >another one and i thought maybe some naktalkers can say something about
> >scanning quality of Canon. (FB1220U ?)
> >
> >Not a Nak question but important for us all making good quality PDF's.
> >
> >Norman
>
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From n.van.wijnen at castel.nl  Sat Oct 14 01:00:25 2000
From: n.van.wijnen at castel.nl (Norman van Wijnen)
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 01:00:25 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
References: <5.0.0.25.2.20001012190845.01c9e4d0@mail.flashcom.net>
Message-ID: <002c01c03569$602d65c0$118c55c3@asuscubx>

Thanks Marc

I think i go to the shop doing test scans. I hope that i can see the
difference between my scanner (600 dpi ) and a 1200 dpi scanner  in the
readability of the server manuals scans.
especialy the mainboard pages with very tiny letters on it gives problems.
The letters are not good readable so you must zoom in (using acrobat) but
that doesn't help. So i thought that my problem lays in the 600 dpi? But i'm
not sure of that.

Norman

----- Original Message -----
From: Marc Stager <marc at stager.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 1:14 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scanner Questions


> As a rule, Canon makes a decent product.
>
> For text scanning you should be using a setting of 300 or 400 dpi
> to a GIF file. It/they can later be made into nice clear PDF's
> with Acrobat or a shareware program mentioned here before -
> I don't recall the name.
>
> The loss of quality may be in your transfer, not in the hardware.
> 300 dpi is the minimum for good readable text.
>
> For a good overview of the current scanner market
> check here:
>
http://computershopper.zdnet.com/texis/cs/doframe.html?u=www.zdnet.com/compu
tershopper/edit/howtobuy/
>
> Have a good scan,
> ________________________________ Marc Stager
>
> =============================================
>
> At 10/12/00, you wrote:
> >Hello Naktalkers,
> >
> >Is there someone who has experience with Canon Scanners?
> >I'm scanning some manuals with a HP4200C Scanner and the quality is poor
> >  because of the very very small details on the original manual, so i
want
> > to buy
> >another one and i thought maybe some naktalkers can say something about
> >scanning quality of Canon. (FB1220U ?)
> >
> >Not a Nak question but important for us all making good quality PDF's.
> >
> >Norman
>
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From raah at concentric.net  Sat Oct 14 01:45:05 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 19:45:05 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
References: <NDBBLFHPELODKPKLBMPGIEPNCCAA.targowski@mediaone.net> <001b01c03567$c6221580$118c55c3@asuscubx>
Message-ID: <39E79E81.ECD1746B@concentric.net>


Gee, I don't want to argue with the local experts, but
the Nakamichi/JVC analogy is *way* off. HP used to be at
the top of the prestige pyramid, but this is no longer
true.

The only good thing you can say about HP is that
their in-warranty service is exemplary -- they will
exchange a failing product with a refurbished one
within 24 hours. OTOH, their products really need it.
I have here, in my home, 2 HP printers, an HP hard
disk and an HP CD-R drive. Of these, both printers
and the hard drive were exchanged under their wonderful
warranty but the CD-R drive had the poor taste of
failing shortly after the warranty expired -- cost of
repair is unrealistic and I had to discard it after
using it for less than a year and a half. Pretty
expensive!

At work we had 2 HP Laser Jets that required repair
almost at the same frequency as changing toner
cartridges...

I don't know that Canon products reliability is that
much better, but can't imagine they are worse.

In the Sep. 19 issue of PC Mag, they tested 9 scanners
for eBusiness. For image quality, Epson 1200U came out
first. Canon N1220U and MicroTek 1200 shared second
place. HP 4300C was in 3rd place with Visioneer and 3
other scanners were last. Overall quality, the Epson
was 1st, Canon 2nd and 4 other printers (HP included)
3rd.

As to the resulting large files when scanning at high
resolution -- that's quite true. If anyone knows of a way
to resolve fine details in small files, they should patent
it (they will make a fortune). The Only way known to man
(short of losing detail) is to compress the files (that's
what the JPEG format does), but there is a limit, because
lossy compression reduces quality. Even so -- and
regardless of format -- increasing resolution will always
increase file size.

-- Ron



Norman van Wijnen wrote:
> 
> Thanks Stan,
> 
> Your point is clear,
> 
> The idea of taking a onkyo for a nak......
> 
> But a have a problem with the sharpness of the black and white scan
> (scanning the dragon manual). The details on the original manual are so
> small that you must zoom in the scan and then the words and letters are not
> good readable. I thought that the canon (1200 x 2400 dpi) can give me a more
> detailed scan. But i'am no expert thats for sure.
> I think that a go to the shop with my manual and do a number of scans on
> different scanners.
> 
> Gretings Norman
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Stan Targowski <targowski at mediaone.net>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 2:50 AM
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
> 
> > Sorry for talking about scanners. Norman - HP4200C is a perfectly good
> > scanner. I wouldn't switch HP for a Canon (although they are good too.) I
> > have an HP6200C, it does a wonderful job on pictures and worse on text,
> > unless you use very high resolution, and resulting huge files.
> >
> > Stick to your HP. What you have is a CR3A, and you are considering is a
> > loaded 3 head Onkyo or JVC going Canon ...
> >
> > Stan
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> > Marc Stager
> > Sent: Thu, October 12, 2000 6:15 PM
> > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
> >
> >
> > As a rule, Canon makes a decent product.
> >
> > For text scanning you should be using a setting of 300 or 400 dpi
> > to a GIF file. It/they can later be made into nice clear PDF's
> > with Acrobat or a shareware program mentioned here before -
> > I don't recall the name.
> >
> > The loss of quality may be in your transfer, not in the hardware.
> > 300 dpi is the minimum for good readable text.
> >
> > For a good overview of the current scanner market
> > check here:
> >
> http://computershopper.zdnet.com/texis/cs/doframe.html?u=www.zdnet.com/compu
> > tershopper/edit/howtobuy/
> >
> > Have a good scan,
> > ________________________________ Marc Stager
> >
> > =============================================
> >
> > At 10/12/00, you wrote:
> > >Hello Naktalkers,
> > >
> > >Is there someone who has experience with Canon Scanners?
> > >I'm scanning some manuals with a HP4200C Scanner and the quality is poor
> > >  because of the very very small details on the original manual, so i
> want
> > > to buy
> > >another one and i thought maybe some naktalkers can say something about
> > >scanning quality of Canon. (FB1220U ?)
> > >
> > >Not a Nak question but important for us all making good quality PDF's.
> > >
> > >Norman
> >
> >
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From targowski at mediaone.net  Sat Oct 14 02:31:38 2000
From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski)
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 19:31:38 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] HP makes good scanners just like Nak used to make great tape decks ...
In-Reply-To: <39E79E81.ECD1746B@concentric.net>
Message-ID: <NDBBLFHPELODKPKLBMPGAEAFCDAA.targowski@mediaone.net>

I appologize for talking about scanners again, but would just like to
qualify something.

We are talking about scanners. Ron, you have indicated you have had so many
HP products, but none of these were scanners. My point was made to HP
scanners, I still feel that these are high quality products, I have one, and
am extremely happy with it.

What I wanted to convey to Norman is that Canon will not give him what he is
after. I have a Computer Science degree, and have been doing/managing
application development for 13 years, working in a big company (12,000
associates) I have exposure to a lot of hardware, and in the scanner area HP
is indeed top rated - regardless of what today's issue of PC World may be
saying.

Just like with Nakamichi. Their tape decks were second to none. I had a
pretty lousy experience with my TA2A Receiver, my friend didn't appreciate
their CD players - this however shouldn't take away from their tape-deck
genius.

Stan

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
Ron
Sent: Fri, October 13, 2000 6:45 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scanner Questions



Gee, I don't want to argue with the local experts, but
the Nakamichi/JVC analogy is *way* off. HP used to be at
the top of the prestige pyramid, but this is no longer
true.

The only good thing you can say about HP is that
their in-warranty service is exemplary -- they will
exchange a failing product with a refurbished one
within 24 hours. OTOH, their products really need it.
I have here, in my home, 2 HP printers, an HP hard
disk and an HP CD-R drive. Of these, both printers
and the hard drive were exchanged under their wonderful
warranty but the CD-R drive had the poor taste of
failing shortly after the warranty expired -- cost of
repair is unrealistic and I had to discard it after
using it for less than a year and a half. Pretty
expensive!

At work we had 2 HP Laser Jets that required repair
almost at the same frequency as changing toner
cartridges...

I don't know that Canon products reliability is that
much better, but can't imagine they are worse.

In the Sep. 19 issue of PC Mag, they tested 9 scanners
for eBusiness. For image quality, Epson 1200U came out
first. Canon N1220U and MicroTek 1200 shared second
place. HP 4300C was in 3rd place with Visioneer and 3
other scanners were last. Overall quality, the Epson
was 1st, Canon 2nd and 4 other printers (HP included)
3rd.

As to the resulting large files when scanning at high
resolution -- that's quite true. If anyone knows of a way
to resolve fine details in small files, they should patent
it (they will make a fortune). The Only way known to man
(short of losing detail) is to compress the files (that's
what the JPEG format does), but there is a limit, because
lossy compression reduces quality. Even so -- and
regardless of format -- increasing resolution will always
increase file size.

-- Ron



Norman van Wijnen wrote:
>
> Thanks Stan,
>
> Your point is clear,
>
> The idea of taking a onkyo for a nak......
>
> But a have a problem with the sharpness of the black and white scan
> (scanning the dragon manual). The details on the original manual are so
> small that you must zoom in the scan and then the words and letters are
not
> good readable. I thought that the canon (1200 x 2400 dpi) can give me a
more
> detailed scan. But i'am no expert thats for sure.
> I think that a go to the shop with my manual and do a number of scans on
> different scanners.
>
> Gretings Norman
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Stan Targowski <targowski at mediaone.net>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 2:50 AM
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
>
> > Sorry for talking about scanners. Norman - HP4200C is a perfectly good
> > scanner. I wouldn't switch HP for a Canon (although they are good too.)
I
> > have an HP6200C, it does a wonderful job on pictures and worse on text,
> > unless you use very high resolution, and resulting huge files.
> >
> > Stick to your HP. What you have is a CR3A, and you are considering is a
> > loaded 3 head Onkyo or JVC going Canon ...
> >
> > Stan
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> > Marc Stager
> > Sent: Thu, October 12, 2000 6:15 PM
> > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
> >
> >
> > As a rule, Canon makes a decent product.
> >
> > For text scanning you should be using a setting of 300 or 400 dpi
> > to a GIF file. It/they can later be made into nice clear PDF's
> > with Acrobat or a shareware program mentioned here before -
> > I don't recall the name.
> >
> > The loss of quality may be in your transfer, not in the hardware.
> > 300 dpi is the minimum for good readable text.
> >
> > For a good overview of the current scanner market
> > check here:
> >
>
http://computershopper.zdnet.com/texis/cs/doframe.html?u=www.zdnet.com/compu
> > tershopper/edit/howtobuy/
> >
> > Have a good scan,
> > ________________________________ Marc Stager
> >
> > =============================================
> >
> > At 10/12/00, you wrote:
> > >Hello Naktalkers,
> > >
> > >Is there someone who has experience with Canon Scanners?
> > >I'm scanning some manuals with a HP4200C Scanner and the quality is
poor
> > >  because of the very very small details on the original manual, so i
> want
> > > to buy
> > >another one and i thought maybe some naktalkers can say something about
> > >scanning quality of Canon. (FB1220U ?)
> > >
> > >Not a Nak question but important for us all making good quality PDF's.
> > >
> > >Norman
> >
> >
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From blueswapper at angelfire.com  Sat Oct 14 03:33:03 2000
From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper)
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 18:33:03 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #423
Message-ID: <ODICFABKOAPAJAAA@angelfire.com>

Ed, this is a splendid idea!  If only Wouter has the motivation and time to do such a thing, it would be a fitting addition to the Nak Website reputation and legacy.  Imagine, a personalized photo gallery with all the devoted NakTalkers portrayed embracing their beloved Nak gear.  What a pleasing sight for us to behold!!!

Blues

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On Fri, 13 Oct 2000 07:16:03   naktalk-digest wrote:
>
>naktalk-digest        Friday, October 13 2000        Volume 02 : Number 423
>
>

>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 00:01:02 -0400
>From: Ed Noyes <enoyes at snet.net>
>Subject: [naktalk] What about a users gallery?
>
>All this talk of attachments with posts got me thinking of an old idea from a few
>years ago... what about the possibility of a users page on the site with postings of
>Naktalkers and their gear. I'd love to see a shot of Graham with a cup of tea (or
>rubbing alcohol perhaps depending on the hour) next to his beloved Naks... or Carlos
>amid the wall of great ones. I could go on, but you get the idea. Maybe I'm crazy, but
>it would be neat.
>
>Ed
>
>"Kannan. S" wrote:
>
>> Yeah I completely agree with Grahan and Blues - not because I was the
>> unfortunate one to get caught in this, generally I do not attach any files
>> as we get thousands of resumes in to my machine with Word docs I had found -
>> good old text file is enough for 100% of the resumes we read.
>> Almost I lost two days of precious time because of this virus and may be
>> some body else would have spent sleepless nights and days over it as PC
>> today is main machine in our offices and home like telephone or Fax
>> machines. Downtime due to virus attack is not worth. Somebody can send a
>> picture or any other interesting info to Wouter thru FTP area for safe
>> receipt or viewing by all. And this is my humble opinion.
>>

Kannan - You are our most reasonable voice, since you have the intimate feeling of inadvertently launching the naughty virus.  Perhaps others will be influenced by your testimony here.  Regards......

Blues


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Graham Nelson <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
>> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
>> Date: Friday, October 13, 2000 5:35 AM
>> Subject: [naktalk] Viruses
>

>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 08:14:59 +0200
>From: "MVM" <MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] What about a users gallery?
>
>Hi Ed,
>
>Good idea!
>
>Misha
>
>PS: Graham, my friend! Please don't cry, some day you will have a NAKS ;)
>

Peer pressure will have old Graham selling his little pinkies to accumulate enough eurodollars to finally purchase that English Dragon he dreams so often about.......

Blues

>
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>
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From raah at concentric.net  Sat Oct 14 03:43:25 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 21:43:25 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] HP makes good scanners just like Nak used to make great 
 tape decks ...
References: <NDBBLFHPELODKPKLBMPGAEAFCDAA.targowski@mediaone.net>
Message-ID: <39E7BA3D.896DBDD2@concentric.net>

Stan,

Well, we'll have to agree to disagree.  I strongly
disagree that "Canon will not give [Norman] what he
is after." Or, for that matter, Epson, U-Max and many
others. 

I understood Norman was after catching fine details.
What is needed is a scanner that will resolve such fine
details. Who makes it is irrelevant. Barring fraudulent
specs, scanners from *any* reputable manufacturer that
meet the required optical resolution will do.

While HP has a good reputation, they are by no means
the Rolls-Royce of scanners, printers or anything else.
I certainly would not dismiss PC Mag's reviews so
flippantly. This is what these people do for a living.
In the least, they are a highly respected team of
professionals that review equipment for a living.

I'll be happy to discuss this further, if anyone is
interested in the subject. 

Peace,

-- Ron



Stan Targowski wrote:
> 
> I appologize for talking about scanners again, but would just like to
> qualify something.
> 
> We are talking about scanners. Ron, you have indicated you have had so many
> HP products, but none of these were scanners. My point was made to HP
> scanners, I still feel that these are high quality products, I have one, and
> am extremely happy with it.
> 
> What I wanted to convey to Norman is that Canon will not give him what he is
> after. I have a Computer Science degree, and have been doing/managing
> application development for 13 years, working in a big company (12,000
> associates) I have exposure to a lot of hardware, and in the scanner area HP
> is indeed top rated - regardless of what today's issue of PC World may be
> saying.
> 
> Just like with Nakamichi. Their tape decks were second to none. I had a
> pretty lousy experience with my TA2A Receiver, my friend didn't appreciate
> their CD players - this however shouldn't take away from their tape-deck
> genius.
> 
> Stan
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> Ron
> Sent: Fri, October 13, 2000 6:45 PM
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
> 
> Gee, I don't want to argue with the local experts, but
> the Nakamichi/JVC analogy is *way* off. HP used to be at
> the top of the prestige pyramid, but this is no longer
> true.
> 
> The only good thing you can say about HP is that
> their in-warranty service is exemplary -- they will
> exchange a failing product with a refurbished one
> within 24 hours. OTOH, their products really need it.
> I have here, in my home, 2 HP printers, an HP hard
> disk and an HP CD-R drive. Of these, both printers
> and the hard drive were exchanged under their wonderful
> warranty but the CD-R drive had the poor taste of
> failing shortly after the warranty expired -- cost of
> repair is unrealistic and I had to discard it after
> using it for less than a year and a half. Pretty
> expensive!
> 
> At work we had 2 HP Laser Jets that required repair
> almost at the same frequency as changing toner
> cartridges...
> 
> I don't know that Canon products reliability is that
> much better, but can't imagine they are worse.
> 
> In the Sep. 19 issue of PC Mag, they tested 9 scanners
> for eBusiness. For image quality, Epson 1200U came out
> first. Canon N1220U and MicroTek 1200 shared second
> place. HP 4300C was in 3rd place with Visioneer and 3
> other scanners were last. Overall quality, the Epson
> was 1st, Canon 2nd and 4 other printers (HP included)
> 3rd.
> 
> As to the resulting large files when scanning at high
> resolution -- that's quite true. If anyone knows of a way
> to resolve fine details in small files, they should patent
> it (they will make a fortune). The Only way known to man
> (short of losing detail) is to compress the files (that's
> what the JPEG format does), but there is a limit, because
> lossy compression reduces quality. Even so -- and
> regardless of format -- increasing resolution will always
> increase file size.
> 
> -- Ron
> 
> Norman van Wijnen wrote:
> >
> > Thanks Stan,
> >
> > Your point is clear,
> >
> > The idea of taking a onkyo for a nak......
> >
> > But a have a problem with the sharpness of the black and white scan
> > (scanning the dragon manual). The details on the original manual are so
> > small that you must zoom in the scan and then the words and letters are
> not
> > good readable. I thought that the canon (1200 x 2400 dpi) can give me a
> more
> > detailed scan. But i'am no expert thats for sure.
> > I think that a go to the shop with my manual and do a number of scans on
> > different scanners.
> >
> > Gretings Norman
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Stan Targowski <targowski at mediaone.net>
> > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 2:50 AM
> > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
> >
> > > Sorry for talking about scanners. Norman - HP4200C is a perfectly good
> > > scanner. I wouldn't switch HP for a Canon (although they are good too.)
> I
> > > have an HP6200C, it does a wonderful job on pictures and worse on text,
> > > unless you use very high resolution, and resulting huge files.
> > >
> > > Stick to your HP. What you have is a CR3A, and you are considering is a
> > > loaded 3 head Onkyo or JVC going Canon ...
> > >
> > > Stan
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> > > Marc Stager
> > > Sent: Thu, October 12, 2000 6:15 PM
> > > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
> > >
> > >
> > > As a rule, Canon makes a decent product.
> > >
> > > For text scanning you should be using a setting of 300 or 400 dpi
> > > to a GIF file. It/they can later be made into nice clear PDF's
> > > with Acrobat or a shareware program mentioned here before -
> > > I don't recall the name.
> > >
> > > The loss of quality may be in your transfer, not in the hardware.
> > > 300 dpi is the minimum for good readable text.
> > >
> > > For a good overview of the current scanner market
> > > check here:
> > >
> >
> http://computershopper.zdnet.com/texis/cs/doframe.html?u=www.zdnet.com/compu
> > > tershopper/edit/howtobuy/
> > >
> > > Have a good scan,
> > > ________________________________ Marc Stager
> > >
> > > =============================================
> > >
> > > At 10/12/00, you wrote:
> > > >Hello Naktalkers,
> > > >
> > > >Is there someone who has experience with Canon Scanners?
> > > >I'm scanning some manuals with a HP4200C Scanner and the quality is
> poor
> > > >  because of the very very small details on the original manual, so i
> > want
> > > > to buy
> > > >another one and i thought maybe some naktalkers can say something about
> > > >scanning quality of Canon. (FB1220U ?)
> > > >
> > > >Not a Nak question but important for us all making good quality PDF's.
> > > >
> > > >Norman
> > >
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From targowski at mediaone.net  Sat Oct 14 04:23:40 2000
From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski)
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 21:23:40 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] HP makes good scanners just like Nak used to make great  tape decks ...
In-Reply-To: <39E7BA3D.896DBDD2@concentric.net>
Message-ID: <NDBBLFHPELODKPKLBMPGCEAGCDAA.targowski@mediaone.net>

Ron -

You make some good points. And although I might be tempted to further
discuss, I'd rather stick to NAKS.

I think by now Norman can figure out what he needs.

Stan



-----Original Message-----
From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
Ron
Sent: Fri, October 13, 2000 8:43 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] HP makes good scanners just like Nak used to make
great tape decks ...


Stan,

Well, we'll have to agree to disagree.  I strongly
disagree that "Canon will not give [Norman] what he
is after." Or, for that matter, Epson, U-Max and many
others.

I understood Norman was after catching fine details.
What is needed is a scanner that will resolve such fine
details. Who makes it is irrelevant. Barring fraudulent
specs, scanners from *any* reputable manufacturer that
meet the required optical resolution will do.

While HP has a good reputation, they are by no means
the Rolls-Royce of scanners, printers or anything else.
I certainly would not dismiss PC Mag's reviews so
flippantly. This is what these people do for a living.
In the least, they are a highly respected team of
professionals that review equipment for a living.

I'll be happy to discuss this further, if anyone is
interested in the subject.

Peace,

-- Ron



Stan Targowski wrote:
>
> I appologize for talking about scanners again, but would just like to
> qualify something.
>
> We are talking about scanners. Ron, you have indicated you have had so
many
> HP products, but none of these were scanners. My point was made to HP
> scanners, I still feel that these are high quality products, I have one,
and
> am extremely happy with it.
>
> What I wanted to convey to Norman is that Canon will not give him what he
is
> after. I have a Computer Science degree, and have been doing/managing
> application development for 13 years, working in a big company (12,000
> associates) I have exposure to a lot of hardware, and in the scanner area
HP
> is indeed top rated - regardless of what today's issue of PC World may be
> saying.
>
> Just like with Nakamichi. Their tape decks were second to none. I had a
> pretty lousy experience with my TA2A Receiver, my friend didn't appreciate
> their CD players - this however shouldn't take away from their tape-deck
> genius.
>
> Stan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> Ron
> Sent: Fri, October 13, 2000 6:45 PM
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
>
> Gee, I don't want to argue with the local experts, but
> the Nakamichi/JVC analogy is *way* off. HP used to be at
> the top of the prestige pyramid, but this is no longer
> true.
>
> The only good thing you can say about HP is that
> their in-warranty service is exemplary -- they will
> exchange a failing product with a refurbished one
> within 24 hours. OTOH, their products really need it.
> I have here, in my home, 2 HP printers, an HP hard
> disk and an HP CD-R drive. Of these, both printers
> and the hard drive were exchanged under their wonderful
> warranty but the CD-R drive had the poor taste of
> failing shortly after the warranty expired -- cost of
> repair is unrealistic and I had to discard it after
> using it for less than a year and a half. Pretty
> expensive!
>
> At work we had 2 HP Laser Jets that required repair
> almost at the same frequency as changing toner
> cartridges...
>
> I don't know that Canon products reliability is that
> much better, but can't imagine they are worse.
>
> In the Sep. 19 issue of PC Mag, they tested 9 scanners
> for eBusiness. For image quality, Epson 1200U came out
> first. Canon N1220U and MicroTek 1200 shared second
> place. HP 4300C was in 3rd place with Visioneer and 3
> other scanners were last. Overall quality, the Epson
> was 1st, Canon 2nd and 4 other printers (HP included)
> 3rd.
>
> As to the resulting large files when scanning at high
> resolution -- that's quite true. If anyone knows of a way
> to resolve fine details in small files, they should patent
> it (they will make a fortune). The Only way known to man
> (short of losing detail) is to compress the files (that's
> what the JPEG format does), but there is a limit, because
> lossy compression reduces quality. Even so -- and
> regardless of format -- increasing resolution will always
> increase file size.
>
> -- Ron
>
> Norman van Wijnen wrote:
> >
> > Thanks Stan,
> >
> > Your point is clear,
> >
> > The idea of taking a onkyo for a nak......
> >
> > But a have a problem with the sharpness of the black and white scan
> > (scanning the dragon manual). The details on the original manual are so
> > small that you must zoom in the scan and then the words and letters are
> not
> > good readable. I thought that the canon (1200 x 2400 dpi) can give me a
> more
> > detailed scan. But i'am no expert thats for sure.
> > I think that a go to the shop with my manual and do a number of scans on
> > different scanners.
> >
> > Gretings Norman
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Stan Targowski <targowski at mediaone.net>
> > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 2:50 AM
> > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
> >
> > > Sorry for talking about scanners. Norman - HP4200C is a perfectly good
> > > scanner. I wouldn't switch HP for a Canon (although they are good
too.)
> I
> > > have an HP6200C, it does a wonderful job on pictures and worse on
text,
> > > unless you use very high resolution, and resulting huge files.
> > >
> > > Stick to your HP. What you have is a CR3A, and you are considering is
a
> > > loaded 3 head Onkyo or JVC going Canon ...
> > >
> > > Stan
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf
Of
> > > Marc Stager
> > > Sent: Thu, October 12, 2000 6:15 PM
> > > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
> > >
> > >
> > > As a rule, Canon makes a decent product.
> > >
> > > For text scanning you should be using a setting of 300 or 400 dpi
> > > to a GIF file. It/they can later be made into nice clear PDF's
> > > with Acrobat or a shareware program mentioned here before -
> > > I don't recall the name.
> > >
> > > The loss of quality may be in your transfer, not in the hardware.
> > > 300 dpi is the minimum for good readable text.
> > >
> > > For a good overview of the current scanner market
> > > check here:
> > >
> >
>
http://computershopper.zdnet.com/texis/cs/doframe.html?u=www.zdnet.com/compu
> > > tershopper/edit/howtobuy/
> > >
> > > Have a good scan,
> > > ________________________________ Marc Stager
> > >
> > > =============================================
> > >
> > > At 10/12/00, you wrote:
> > > >Hello Naktalkers,
> > > >
> > > >Is there someone who has experience with Canon Scanners?
> > > >I'm scanning some manuals with a HP4200C Scanner and the quality is
> poor
> > > >  because of the very very small details on the original manual, so i
> > want
> > > > to buy
> > > >another one and i thought maybe some naktalkers can say something
about
> > > >scanning quality of Canon. (FB1220U ?)
> > > >
> > > >Not a Nak question but important for us all making good quality
PDF's.
> > > >
> > > >Norman
> > >
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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Sat Oct 14 06:23:22 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 09:53:22 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
Message-ID: <002801c03596$7d6aed60$42d60192@vsnl>

Norman
Your point is a valid one like hearing an Audio product at your home
exactly - is exactly what you need. But look at Optical resolution rather
than published maximum resolution when comparing. Taiwanese products like
Umax have definitely improved their products with aggressive low prices that
HP products over the year had come down in price - particularly scanners.
Gnerally I find grey scale scanning produces better detail when the print is
small and little fuzzy. Whereas laser printed docs even with small letters
come out beautifully when scanned using Black and white - which is 1 bit
process naturally software or image resoving CCD or something rejects lot of
near black details and that is why you are getting poor scanning. I doubt
another scanner may do better unless Optical resolution is very high. I feel
you can try your HP with Grey scale higher resolution - only hard disk space
requirement may be very high but cost consideration makes it prudent to go
for higher resolutions.
I am keenly awaiting your reults as I am planning to buy a scanner for our
office ( flat bed ) soon,
Kannan
-----Original Message-----
From: Norman van Wijnen <n.van.wijnen at castel.nl>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Saturday, October 14, 2000 5:29 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scanner Questions


>Thanks Marc
>
>I think i go to the shop doing test scans. I hope that i can see the
>difference between my scanner (600 dpi ) and a 1200 dpi scanner  in the
>readability of the server manuals scans.
>especialy the mainboard pages with very tiny letters on it gives problems.
>The letters are not good readable so you must zoom in (using acrobat) but
>that doesn't help. So i thought that my problem lays in the 600 dpi? But
i'm
>not sure of that.
>
>Norman
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Marc Stager <marc at stager.com>
>To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 1:14 AM
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
>
>
>> As a rule, Canon makes a decent product.
>>
>> For text scanning you should be using a setting of 300 or 400 dpi
>> to a GIF file. It/they can later be made into nice clear PDF's
>> with Acrobat or a shareware program mentioned here before -
>> I don't recall the name.
>>
>> The loss of quality may be in your transfer, not in the hardware.
>> 300 dpi is the minimum for good readable text.
>>
>> For a good overview of the current scanner market
>> check here:
>>
>http://computershopper.zdnet.com/texis/cs/doframe.html?u=www.zdnet.com/comp
u
>tershopper/edit/howtobuy/
>>
>> Have a good scan,
>> ________________________________ Marc Stager
>>
>> =============================================
>>
>> At 10/12/00, you wrote:
>> >Hello Naktalkers,
>> >
>> >Is there someone who has experience with Canon Scanners?
>> >I'm scanning some manuals with a HP4200C Scanner and the quality is poor
>> >  because of the very very small details on the original manual, so i
>want
>> > to buy
>> >another one and i thought maybe some naktalkers can say something about
>> >scanning quality of Canon. (FB1220U ?)
>> >
>> >Not a Nak question but important for us all making good quality PDF's.
>> >
>> >Norman
>>
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From n.van.wijnen at castel.nl  Sat Oct 14 14:49:33 2000
From: n.van.wijnen at castel.nl (Norman van Wijnen)
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 14:49:33 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
References: <002801c03596$7d6aed60$42d60192@vsnl>
Message-ID: <001201c035dd$3408a440$5d8855c3@asuscubx>

Hello Kennan,

I think i compare a couple of scanners with 1200 dpi specs. There is
something  else i don't understand : Hp specs 1200 dpi optical, Canon specs
1200 x 2400 dpi optical . Do you know what the last 2400 dpi means for us
consumers? Is the canon a 1200 dpi or a 2400 dpi scanner?

Greetings to all and thanks for thinking with me

Norman

----- Original Message -----
From: Kannan. S <kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 6:23 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scanner Questions


> Norman
> Your point is a valid one like hearing an Audio product at your home
> exactly - is exactly what you need. But look at Optical resolution rather
> than published maximum resolution when comparing. Taiwanese products like
> Umax have definitely improved their products with aggressive low prices
that
> HP products over the year had come down in price - particularly scanners.
> Gnerally I find grey scale scanning produces better detail when the print
is
> small and little fuzzy. Whereas laser printed docs even with small letters
> come out beautifully when scanned using Black and white - which is 1 bit
> process naturally software or image resoving CCD or something rejects lot
of
> near black details and that is why you are getting poor scanning. I doubt
> another scanner may do better unless Optical resolution is very high. I
feel
> you can try your HP with Grey scale higher resolution - only hard disk
space
> requirement may be very high but cost consideration makes it prudent to go
> for higher resolutions.
> I am keenly awaiting your reults as I am planning to buy a scanner for our
> office ( flat bed ) soon,
> Kannan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Norman van Wijnen <n.van.wijnen at castel.nl>
> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> Date: Saturday, October 14, 2000 5:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
>
>
> >Thanks Marc
> >
> >I think i go to the shop doing test scans. I hope that i can see the
> >difference between my scanner (600 dpi ) and a 1200 dpi scanner  in the
> >readability of the server manuals scans.
> >especialy the mainboard pages with very tiny letters on it gives
problems.
> >The letters are not good readable so you must zoom in (using acrobat) but
> >that doesn't help. So i thought that my problem lays in the 600 dpi? But
> i'm
> >not sure of that.
> >
> >Norman
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Marc Stager <marc at stager.com>
> >To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> >Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 1:14 AM
> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
> >
> >
> >> As a rule, Canon makes a decent product.
> >>
> >> For text scanning you should be using a setting of 300 or 400 dpi
> >> to a GIF file. It/they can later be made into nice clear PDF's
> >> with Acrobat or a shareware program mentioned here before -
> >> I don't recall the name.
> >>
> >> The loss of quality may be in your transfer, not in the hardware.
> >> 300 dpi is the minimum for good readable text.
> >>
> >> For a good overview of the current scanner market
> >> check here:
> >>
>
>http://computershopper.zdnet.com/texis/cs/doframe.html?u=www.zdnet.com/comp
> u
> >tershopper/edit/howtobuy/
> >>
> >> Have a good scan,
> >> ________________________________ Marc Stager
> >>
> >> =============================================
> >>
> >> At 10/12/00, you wrote:
> >> >Hello Naktalkers,
> >> >
> >> >Is there someone who has experience with Canon Scanners?
> >> >I'm scanning some manuals with a HP4200C Scanner and the quality is
poor
> >> >  because of the very very small details on the original manual, so i
> >want
> >> > to buy
> >> >another one and i thought maybe some naktalkers can say something
about
> >> >scanning quality of Canon. (FB1220U ?)
> >> >
> >> >Not a Nak question but important for us all making good quality PDF's.
> >> >
> >> >Norman
> >>
> >>
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From raah at concentric.net  Sat Oct 14 15:27:36 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 09:27:36 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
References: <002801c03596$7d6aed60$42d60192@vsnl> <001201c035dd$3408a440$5d8855c3@asuscubx>
Message-ID: <39E85F48.BAC818DD@concentric.net>


1200 x 2400 means that the resolution is 1200dpi
across the width of the paper, but 2400 along its
length. A square inch contains 2.88 million pixels.
It follows that the pixels are not square.

Compared side by side with a 1200x1200 scan
(1.44 million pixels per in. sq.), it does look a
bit snappier, but not by much.

-- Ron



Norman van Wijnen wrote:
> 
> Hello Kennan,
> 
> I think i compare a couple of scanners with 1200 dpi specs. There is
> something  else i don't understand : Hp specs 1200 dpi optical, Canon specs
> 1200 x 2400 dpi optical . Do you know what the last 2400 dpi means for us
> consumers? Is the canon a 1200 dpi or a 2400 dpi scanner?
> 
> Greetings to all and thanks for thinking with me
> 
> Norman
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Kannan. S <kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 6:23 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
> 
> > Norman
> > Your point is a valid one like hearing an Audio product at your home
> > exactly - is exactly what you need. But look at Optical resolution rather
> > than published maximum resolution when comparing. Taiwanese products like
> > Umax have definitely improved their products with aggressive low prices
> that
> > HP products over the year had come down in price - particularly scanners.
> > Gnerally I find grey scale scanning produces better detail when the print
> is
> > small and little fuzzy. Whereas laser printed docs even with small letters
> > come out beautifully when scanned using Black and white - which is 1 bit
> > process naturally software or image resoving CCD or something rejects lot
> of
> > near black details and that is why you are getting poor scanning. I doubt
> > another scanner may do better unless Optical resolution is very high. I
> feel
> > you can try your HP with Grey scale higher resolution - only hard disk
> space
> > requirement may be very high but cost consideration makes it prudent to go
> > for higher resolutions.
> > I am keenly awaiting your reults as I am planning to buy a scanner for our
> > office ( flat bed ) soon,
> > Kannan
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Norman van Wijnen <n.van.wijnen at castel.nl>
> > To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Date: Saturday, October 14, 2000 5:29 AM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
> >
> >
> > >Thanks Marc
> > >
> > >I think i go to the shop doing test scans. I hope that i can see the
> > >difference between my scanner (600 dpi ) and a 1200 dpi scanner  in the
> > >readability of the server manuals scans.
> > >especialy the mainboard pages with very tiny letters on it gives
> problems.
> > >The letters are not good readable so you must zoom in (using acrobat) but
> > >that doesn't help. So i thought that my problem lays in the 600 dpi? But
> > i'm
> > >not sure of that.
> > >
> > >Norman
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: Marc Stager <marc at stager.com>
> > >To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > >Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 1:14 AM
> > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
> > >
> > >
> > >> As a rule, Canon makes a decent product.
> > >>
> > >> For text scanning you should be using a setting of 300 or 400 dpi
> > >> to a GIF file. It/they can later be made into nice clear PDF's
> > >> with Acrobat or a shareware program mentioned here before -
> > >> I don't recall the name.
> > >>
> > >> The loss of quality may be in your transfer, not in the hardware.
> > >> 300 dpi is the minimum for good readable text.
> > >>
> > >> For a good overview of the current scanner market
> > >> check here:
> > >>
> >
> >http://computershopper.zdnet.com/texis/cs/doframe.html?u=www.zdnet.com/comp
> > u
> > >tershopper/edit/howtobuy/
> > >>
> > >> Have a good scan,
> > >> ________________________________ Marc Stager
> > >>
> > >> =============================================
> > >>
> > >> At 10/12/00, you wrote:
> > >> >Hello Naktalkers,
> > >> >
> > >> >Is there someone who has experience with Canon Scanners?
> > >> >I'm scanning some manuals with a HP4200C Scanner and the quality is
> poor
> > >> >  because of the very very small details on the original manual, so i
> > >want
> > >> > to buy
> > >> >another one and i thought maybe some naktalkers can say something
> about
> > >> >scanning quality of Canon. (FB1220U ?)
> > >> >
> > >> >Not a Nak question but important for us all making good quality PDF's.
> > >> >
> > >> >Norman
> > >>
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From n.van.wijnen at castel.nl  Sat Oct 14 16:19:02 2000
From: n.van.wijnen at castel.nl (Norman van Wijnen)
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 16:19:02 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
References: <002801c03596$7d6aed60$42d60192@vsnl> <001201c035dd$3408a440$5d8855c3@asuscubx> <39E85F48.BAC818DD@concentric.net>
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Thanks Ron,

it's clear.
It looks to me that the optical system of the scanner (1200x2400) is more
high tech then 1200x1200. But if you can see it?

Norman

----- Original Message -----
From: Ron <raah at concentric.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 3:27 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scanner Questions


>
> 1200 x 2400 means that the resolution is 1200dpi
> across the width of the paper, but 2400 along its
> length. A square inch contains 2.88 million pixels.
> It follows that the pixels are not square.
>
> Compared side by side with a 1200x1200 scan
> (1.44 million pixels per in. sq.), it does look a
> bit snappier, but not by much.
>
> -- Ron
>
>
>
> Norman van Wijnen wrote:
> >
> > Hello Kennan,
> >
> > I think i compare a couple of scanners with 1200 dpi specs. There is
> > something  else i don't understand : Hp specs 1200 dpi optical, Canon
specs
> > 1200 x 2400 dpi optical . Do you know what the last 2400 dpi means for
us
> > consumers? Is the canon a 1200 dpi or a 2400 dpi scanner?
> >
> > Greetings to all and thanks for thinking with me
> >
> > Norman
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Kannan. S <kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in>
> > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 6:23 AM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
> >
> > > Norman
> > > Your point is a valid one like hearing an Audio product at your home
> > > exactly - is exactly what you need. But look at Optical resolution
rather
> > > than published maximum resolution when comparing. Taiwanese products
like
> > > Umax have definitely improved their products with aggressive low
prices
> > that
> > > HP products over the year had come down in price - particularly
scanners.
> > > Gnerally I find grey scale scanning produces better detail when the
print
> > is
> > > small and little fuzzy. Whereas laser printed docs even with small
letters
> > > come out beautifully when scanned using Black and white - which is 1
bit
> > > process naturally software or image resoving CCD or something rejects
lot
> > of
> > > near black details and that is why you are getting poor scanning. I
doubt
> > > another scanner may do better unless Optical resolution is very high.
I
> > feel
> > > you can try your HP with Grey scale higher resolution - only hard disk
> > space
> > > requirement may be very high but cost consideration makes it prudent
to go
> > > for higher resolutions.
> > > I am keenly awaiting your reults as I am planning to buy a scanner for
our
> > > office ( flat bed ) soon,
> > > Kannan
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Norman van Wijnen <n.van.wijnen at castel.nl>
> > > To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > Date: Saturday, October 14, 2000 5:29 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
> > >
> > >
> > > >Thanks Marc
> > > >
> > > >I think i go to the shop doing test scans. I hope that i can see the
> > > >difference between my scanner (600 dpi ) and a 1200 dpi scanner  in
the
> > > >readability of the server manuals scans.
> > > >especialy the mainboard pages with very tiny letters on it gives
> > problems.
> > > >The letters are not good readable so you must zoom in (using acrobat)
but
> > > >that doesn't help. So i thought that my problem lays in the 600 dpi?
But
> > > i'm
> > > >not sure of that.
> > > >
> > > >Norman
> > > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: Marc Stager <marc at stager.com>
> > > >To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > >Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 1:14 AM
> > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> As a rule, Canon makes a decent product.
> > > >>
> > > >> For text scanning you should be using a setting of 300 or 400 dpi
> > > >> to a GIF file. It/they can later be made into nice clear PDF's
> > > >> with Acrobat or a shareware program mentioned here before -
> > > >> I don't recall the name.
> > > >>
> > > >> The loss of quality may be in your transfer, not in the hardware.
> > > >> 300 dpi is the minimum for good readable text.
> > > >>
> > > >> For a good overview of the current scanner market
> > > >> check here:
> > > >>
> > >
> >
>http://computershopper.zdnet.com/texis/cs/doframe.html?u=www.zdnet.com/comp
> > > u
> > > >tershopper/edit/howtobuy/
> > > >>
> > > >> Have a good scan,
> > > >> ________________________________ Marc Stager
> > > >>
> > > >> =============================================
> > > >>
> > > >> At 10/12/00, you wrote:
> > > >> >Hello Naktalkers,
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Is there someone who has experience with Canon Scanners?
> > > >> >I'm scanning some manuals with a HP4200C Scanner and the quality
is
> > poor
> > > >> >  because of the very very small details on the original manual,
so i
> > > >want
> > > >> > to buy
> > > >> >another one and i thought maybe some naktalkers can say something
> > about
> > > >> >scanning quality of Canon. (FB1220U ?)
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Not a Nak question but important for us all making good quality
PDF's.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Norman
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > >
> >
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Sat Oct 14 17:12:25 2000
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 11:12:25 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
References: <002801c03596$7d6aed60$42d60192@vsnl> <001201c035dd$3408a440$5d8855c3@asuscubx> <39E85F48.BAC818DD@concentric.net> <000c01c035e9$b459a5c0$2d8855c3@asuscubx>
Message-ID: <007501c035f1$2973cfa0$bc496acf@johny1uboqh2n1>

I looked at a Epson Perfection 1200U (USB) 1200S (SCSI) (1200 x 2400 dpi)
www.cnet.com 's highest rated scanner but neither model appears to have
drivers for Windows 2000 or 95.

My HP 5100C scans beautifully, now discontinued.

John

----- Original Message -----
From: "Norman van Wijnen" <n.van.wijnen at castel.nl>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scanner Questions


> Thanks Ron,
>
> it's clear.
> It looks to me that the optical system of the scanner (1200x2400) is more
> high tech then 1200x1200. But if you can see it?
>
> Norman
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ron <raah at concentric.net>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 3:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
>
>
> >
> > 1200 x 2400 means that the resolution is 1200dpi
> > across the width of the paper, but 2400 along its
> > length. A square inch contains 2.88 million pixels.
> > It follows that the pixels are not square.
> >
> > Compared side by side with a 1200x1200 scan
> > (1.44 million pixels per in. sq.), it does look a
> > bit snappier, but not by much.
> >
> > -- Ron
> >
> >
> >
> > Norman van Wijnen wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello Kennan,
> > >
> > > I think i compare a couple of scanners with 1200 dpi specs. There is
> > > something  else i don't understand : Hp specs 1200 dpi optical, Canon
> specs
> > > 1200 x 2400 dpi optical . Do you know what the last 2400 dpi means for
> us
> > > consumers? Is the canon a 1200 dpi or a 2400 dpi scanner?
> > >
> > > Greetings to all and thanks for thinking with me
> > >
> > > Norman
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Kannan. S <kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in>
> > > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 6:23 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
> > >
> > > > Norman
> > > > Your point is a valid one like hearing an Audio product at your home
> > > > exactly - is exactly what you need. But look at Optical resolution
> rather
> > > > than published maximum resolution when comparing. Taiwanese products
> like
> > > > Umax have definitely improved their products with aggressive low
> prices
> > > that
> > > > HP products over the year had come down in price - particularly
> scanners.
> > > > Gnerally I find grey scale scanning produces better detail when the
> print
> > > is
> > > > small and little fuzzy. Whereas laser printed docs even with small
> letters
> > > > come out beautifully when scanned using Black and white - which is 1
> bit
> > > > process naturally software or image resoving CCD or something
rejects
> lot
> > > of
> > > > near black details and that is why you are getting poor scanning. I
> doubt
> > > > another scanner may do better unless Optical resolution is very
high.
> I
> > > feel
> > > > you can try your HP with Grey scale higher resolution - only hard
disk
> > > space
> > > > requirement may be very high but cost consideration makes it prudent
> to go
> > > > for higher resolutions.
> > > > I am keenly awaiting your reults as I am planning to buy a scanner
for
> our
> > > > office ( flat bed ) soon,
> > > > Kannan
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Norman van Wijnen <n.van.wijnen at castel.nl>
> > > > To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > Date: Saturday, October 14, 2000 5:29 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >Thanks Marc
> > > > >
> > > > >I think i go to the shop doing test scans. I hope that i can see
the
> > > > >difference between my scanner (600 dpi ) and a 1200 dpi scanner  in
> the
> > > > >readability of the server manuals scans.
> > > > >especialy the mainboard pages with very tiny letters on it gives
> > > problems.
> > > > >The letters are not good readable so you must zoom in (using
acrobat)
> but
> > > > >that doesn't help. So i thought that my problem lays in the 600
dpi?
> But
> > > > i'm
> > > > >not sure of that.
> > > > >
> > > > >Norman
> > > > >
> > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > >From: Marc Stager <marc at stager.com>
> > > > >To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > >Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 1:14 AM
> > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >> As a rule, Canon makes a decent product.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> For text scanning you should be using a setting of 300 or 400 dpi
> > > > >> to a GIF file. It/they can later be made into nice clear PDF's
> > > > >> with Acrobat or a shareware program mentioned here before -
> > > > >> I don't recall the name.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> The loss of quality may be in your transfer, not in the hardware.
> > > > >> 300 dpi is the minimum for good readable text.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> For a good overview of the current scanner market
> > > > >> check here:
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > >
>
>http://computershopper.zdnet.com/texis/cs/doframe.html?u=www.zdnet.com/comp
> > > > u
> > > > >tershopper/edit/howtobuy/
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Have a good scan,
> > > > >> ________________________________ Marc Stager
> > > > >>
> > > > >> =============================================
> > > > >>
> > > > >> At 10/12/00, you wrote:
> > > > >> >Hello Naktalkers,
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >Is there someone who has experience with Canon Scanners?
> > > > >> >I'm scanning some manuals with a HP4200C Scanner and the quality
> is
> > > poor
> > > > >> >  because of the very very small details on the original manual,
> so i
> > > > >want
> > > > >> > to buy
> > > > >> >another one and i thought maybe some naktalkers can say
something
> > > about
> > > > >> >scanning quality of Canon. (FB1220U ?)
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >Not a Nak question but important for us all making good quality
> PDF's.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >Norman
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > >
>
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From raah at concentric.net  Sat Oct 14 17:48:19 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 11:48:19 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
References: <002801c03596$7d6aed60$42d60192@vsnl> <001201c035dd$3408a440$5d8855c3@asuscubx> <39E85F48.BAC818DD@concentric.net> <000c01c035e9$b459a5c0$2d8855c3@asuscubx> <007501c035f1$2973cfa0$bc496acf@johny1uboqh2n1>
Message-ID: <39E88043.8C51E9C9@concentric.net>


PC Mag tested the Epson 1200U under Windows 98. Like Cnet,
they also almost ran out of superlatives to describe it:
"Rarely does a product earn our top honors in a such a
clear cut way". "Epson Perfection 1200U was about as
perfect as a modern day scanner could be". "Impressive
image quality". "you'll find scans from the Perfection
to be superb", etc. According to them, it's $200 street,
compared to the HP 4300C $150. They also mentioned that
the HP is "worth a look" for easy PDF file creation.

-- Ron


"John M. Tooley" wrote:
> 
> I looked at a Epson Perfection 1200U (USB) 1200S (SCSI) (1200 x 2400 dpi)
> www.cnet.com 's highest rated scanner but neither model appears to have
> drivers for Windows 2000 or 95.
> 
> My HP 5100C scans beautifully, now discontinued.
> 
> John
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Norman van Wijnen" <n.van.wijnen at castel.nl>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 10:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
> 
> > Thanks Ron,
> >
> > it's clear.
> > It looks to me that the optical system of the scanner (1200x2400) is more
> > high tech then 1200x1200. But if you can see it?
> >
> > Norman
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Ron <raah at concentric.net>
> > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 3:27 PM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
> >
> >
> > >
> > > 1200 x 2400 means that the resolution is 1200dpi
> > > across the width of the paper, but 2400 along its
> > > length. A square inch contains 2.88 million pixels.
> > > It follows that the pixels are not square.
> > >
> > > Compared side by side with a 1200x1200 scan
> > > (1.44 million pixels per in. sq.), it does look a
> > > bit snappier, but not by much.
> > >
> > > -- Ron
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Norman van Wijnen wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hello Kennan,
> > > >
> > > > I think i compare a couple of scanners with 1200 dpi specs. There is
> > > > something  else i don't understand : Hp specs 1200 dpi optical, Canon
> > specs
> > > > 1200 x 2400 dpi optical . Do you know what the last 2400 dpi means for
> > us
> > > > consumers? Is the canon a 1200 dpi or a 2400 dpi scanner?
> > > >
> > > > Greetings to all and thanks for thinking with me
> > > >
> > > > Norman
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Kannan. S <kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in>
> > > > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 6:23 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
> > > >
> > > > > Norman
> > > > > Your point is a valid one like hearing an Audio product at your home
> > > > > exactly - is exactly what you need. But look at Optical resolution
> > rather
> > > > > than published maximum resolution when comparing. Taiwanese products
> > like
> > > > > Umax have definitely improved their products with aggressive low
> > prices
> > > > that
> > > > > HP products over the year had come down in price - particularly
> > scanners.
> > > > > Gnerally I find grey scale scanning produces better detail when the
> > print
> > > > is
> > > > > small and little fuzzy. Whereas laser printed docs even with small
> > letters
> > > > > come out beautifully when scanned using Black and white - which is 1
> > bit
> > > > > process naturally software or image resoving CCD or something
> rejects
> > lot
> > > > of
> > > > > near black details and that is why you are getting poor scanning. I
> > doubt
> > > > > another scanner may do better unless Optical resolution is very
> high.
> > I
> > > > feel
> > > > > you can try your HP with Grey scale higher resolution - only hard
> disk
> > > > space
> > > > > requirement may be very high but cost consideration makes it prudent
> > to go
> > > > > for higher resolutions.
> > > > > I am keenly awaiting your reults as I am planning to buy a scanner
> for
> > our
> > > > > office ( flat bed ) soon,
> > > > > Kannan
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Norman van Wijnen <n.van.wijnen at castel.nl>
> > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > Date: Saturday, October 14, 2000 5:29 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >Thanks Marc
> > > > > >
> > > > > >I think i go to the shop doing test scans. I hope that i can see
> the
> > > > > >difference between my scanner (600 dpi ) and a 1200 dpi scanner  in
> > the
> > > > > >readability of the server manuals scans.
> > > > > >especialy the mainboard pages with very tiny letters on it gives
> > > > problems.
> > > > > >The letters are not good readable so you must zoom in (using
> acrobat)
> > but
> > > > > >that doesn't help. So i thought that my problem lays in the 600
> dpi?
> > But
> > > > > i'm
> > > > > >not sure of that.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Norman
> > > > > >
> > > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > > >From: Marc Stager <marc at stager.com>
> > > > > >To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > >Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 1:14 AM
> > > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> As a rule, Canon makes a decent product.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> For text scanning you should be using a setting of 300 or 400 dpi
> > > > > >> to a GIF file. It/they can later be made into nice clear PDF's
> > > > > >> with Acrobat or a shareware program mentioned here before -
> > > > > >> I don't recall the name.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> The loss of quality may be in your transfer, not in the hardware.
> > > > > >> 300 dpi is the minimum for good readable text.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> For a good overview of the current scanner market
> > > > > >> check here:
> > > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > >
> >
> >http://computershopper.zdnet.com/texis/cs/doframe.html?u=www.zdnet.com/comp
> > > > > u
> > > > > >tershopper/edit/howtobuy/
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Have a good scan,
> > > > > >> ________________________________ Marc Stager
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> =============================================
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> At 10/12/00, you wrote:
> > > > > >> >Hello Naktalkers,
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >Is there someone who has experience with Canon Scanners?
> > > > > >> >I'm scanning some manuals with a HP4200C Scanner and the quality
> > is
> > > > poor
> > > > > >> >  because of the very very small details on the original manual,
> > so i
> > > > > >want
> > > > > >> > to buy
> > > > > >> >another one and i thought maybe some naktalkers can say
> something
> > > > about
> > > > > >> >scanning quality of Canon. (FB1220U ?)
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >Not a Nak question but important for us all making good quality
> > PDF's.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >Norman
> >
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Sat Oct 14 18:14:41 2000
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 12:14:41 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
References: <002801c03596$7d6aed60$42d60192@vsnl> <001201c035dd$3408a440$5d8855c3@asuscubx> <39E85F48.BAC818DD@concentric.net> <000c01c035e9$b459a5c0$2d8855c3@asuscubx> <007501c035f1$2973cfa0$bc496acf@johny1uboqh2n1> <39E88043.8C51E9C9@concentric.net>
Message-ID: <00a801c035f9$dc1ab300$bc496acf@johny1uboqh2n1>

Yeah the reviews of this scanner are all very impressive.  cnet quotes best
price at $161.20, if it had USB/SCSI Windows 2000 drivers I would grab one.

And now back to our original program already under way, naktalk at naks.com ,
sorry fellow nakers.

John

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron" <raah at concentric.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scanner Questions


>
> PC Mag tested the Epson 1200U under Windows 98. Like Cnet,
> they also almost ran out of superlatives to describe it:
> "Rarely does a product earn our top honors in a such a
> clear cut way". "Epson Perfection 1200U was about as
> perfect as a modern day scanner could be". "Impressive
> image quality". "you'll find scans from the Perfection
> to be superb", etc. According to them, it's $200 street,
> compared to the HP 4300C $150. They also mentioned that
> the HP is "worth a look" for easy PDF file creation.
>
> -- Ron
>
>
> "John M. Tooley" wrote:
> >
> > I looked at a Epson Perfection 1200U (USB) 1200S (SCSI) (1200 x 2400
dpi)
> > www.cnet.com 's highest rated scanner but neither model appears to have
> > drivers for Windows 2000 or 95.
> >
> > My HP 5100C scans beautifully, now discontinued.
> >
> > John
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Norman van Wijnen" <n.van.wijnen at castel.nl>
> > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 10:19 AM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
> >
> > > Thanks Ron,
> > >
> > > it's clear.
> > > It looks to me that the optical system of the scanner (1200x2400) is
more
> > > high tech then 1200x1200. But if you can see it?
> > >
> > > Norman
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Ron <raah at concentric.net>
> > > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 3:27 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > 1200 x 2400 means that the resolution is 1200dpi
> > > > across the width of the paper, but 2400 along its
> > > > length. A square inch contains 2.88 million pixels.
> > > > It follows that the pixels are not square.
> > > >
> > > > Compared side by side with a 1200x1200 scan
> > > > (1.44 million pixels per in. sq.), it does look a
> > > > bit snappier, but not by much.
> > > >
> > > > -- Ron
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Norman van Wijnen wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hello Kennan,
> > > > >
> > > > > I think i compare a couple of scanners with 1200 dpi specs. There
is
> > > > > something  else i don't understand : Hp specs 1200 dpi optical,
Canon
> > > specs
> > > > > 1200 x 2400 dpi optical . Do you know what the last 2400 dpi means
for
> > > us
> > > > > consumers? Is the canon a 1200 dpi or a 2400 dpi scanner?
> > > > >
> > > > > Greetings to all and thanks for thinking with me
> > > > >
> > > > > Norman
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: Kannan. S <kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in>
> > > > > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 6:23 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
> > > > >
> > > > > > Norman
> > > > > > Your point is a valid one like hearing an Audio product at your
home
> > > > > > exactly - is exactly what you need. But look at Optical
resolution
> > > rather
> > > > > > than published maximum resolution when comparing. Taiwanese
products
> > > like
> > > > > > Umax have definitely improved their products with aggressive low
> > > prices
> > > > > that
> > > > > > HP products over the year had come down in price - particularly
> > > scanners.
> > > > > > Gnerally I find grey scale scanning produces better detail when
the
> > > print
> > > > > is
> > > > > > small and little fuzzy. Whereas laser printed docs even with
small
> > > letters
> > > > > > come out beautifully when scanned using Black and white - which
is 1
> > > bit
> > > > > > process naturally software or image resoving CCD or something
> > rejects
> > > lot
> > > > > of
> > > > > > near black details and that is why you are getting poor
scanning. I
> > > doubt
> > > > > > another scanner may do better unless Optical resolution is very
> > high.
> > > I
> > > > > feel
> > > > > > you can try your HP with Grey scale higher resolution - only
hard
> > disk
> > > > > space
> > > > > > requirement may be very high but cost consideration makes it
prudent
> > > to go
> > > > > > for higher resolutions.
> > > > > > I am keenly awaiting your reults as I am planning to buy a
scanner
> > for
> > > our
> > > > > > office ( flat bed ) soon,
> > > > > > Kannan
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Norman van Wijnen <n.van.wijnen at castel.nl>
> > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > > Date: Saturday, October 14, 2000 5:29 AM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >Thanks Marc
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >I think i go to the shop doing test scans. I hope that i can
see
> > the
> > > > > > >difference between my scanner (600 dpi ) and a 1200 dpi scanner
in
> > > the
> > > > > > >readability of the server manuals scans.
> > > > > > >especialy the mainboard pages with very tiny letters on it
gives
> > > > > problems.
> > > > > > >The letters are not good readable so you must zoom in (using
> > acrobat)
> > > but
> > > > > > >that doesn't help. So i thought that my problem lays in the 600
> > dpi?
> > > But
> > > > > > i'm
> > > > > > >not sure of that.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Norman
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > >From: Marc Stager <marc at stager.com>
> > > > > > >To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > > >Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 1:14 AM
> > > > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> As a rule, Canon makes a decent product.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> For text scanning you should be using a setting of 300 or 400
dpi
> > > > > > >> to a GIF file. It/they can later be made into nice clear
PDF's
> > > > > > >> with Acrobat or a shareware program mentioned here before -
> > > > > > >> I don't recall the name.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> The loss of quality may be in your transfer, not in the
hardware.
> > > > > > >> 300 dpi is the minimum for good readable text.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> For a good overview of the current scanner market
> > > > > > >> check here:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> >
>http://computershopper.zdnet.com/texis/cs/doframe.html?u=www.zdnet.com/comp
> > > > > > u
> > > > > > >tershopper/edit/howtobuy/
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Have a good scan,
> > > > > > >> ________________________________ Marc Stager
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> =============================================
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> At 10/12/00, you wrote:
> > > > > > >> >Hello Naktalkers,
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> >Is there someone who has experience with Canon Scanners?
> > > > > > >> >I'm scanning some manuals with a HP4200C Scanner and the
quality
> > > is
> > > > > poor
> > > > > > >> >  because of the very very small details on the original
manual,
> > > so i
> > > > > > >want
> > > > > > >> > to buy
> > > > > > >> >another one and i thought maybe some naktalkers can say
> > something
> > > > > about
> > > > > > >> >scanning quality of Canon. (FB1220U ?)
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> >Not a Nak question but important for us all making good
quality
> > > PDF's.
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> >Norman
> > >
>
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From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com  Sat Oct 14 18:39:14 2000
From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas)
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 18:39:14 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Cr-7 Scan mailled...
Message-ID: <LAW-OE28r4sRQde13YD00000b5b@hotmail.com>

Norman, I just send you again the CR-7 exerpt,    and it failled again.
I think hotmail did not permit users to send file as large as 860 ko.
I am sorry.

A solution can be that I upload it to Nak.com ftp site ...
It it the Amplifier section. it contains pb amp, rec amp, dolby pcb, power supply.

I will soon own a 1200 x 2400 HP scanner, then I will upload the complete service manual with a very better quality vs this try.

Regards,
Matyas

Une erreur inconnue s'est produite. Compte : 'Hotmail', Serveur : 'http://services.msn.com/svcs/hotmail/httpmail.asp', Protocole : HTTPMail, Réponse du serveur : 'Message size is too large', Port : 0, Sécurisé (SSL) : Non, Numéro d'erreur : 0x80004005



Today Matyas wrote:

Hi Norman!  there is again the CR-7 amplifier section :-)

The scanner I use to make this PDF was an Epson 7000 (click on this link for specs)

You surely will find this scan lousy, but keep in mind that what is scanned here is a A3 reduced to A4, what is printed on that A4 xeroxed  is unbelivable small !!!
Far more than the details that lay on the dragon diagrams (I own only the diagram pages A3 xeroxed of it)

Can you tell me one thing, does the older Nak manuals were having bigger printed shematics ?

Have fun to compare the Dragon and Cr-7 entrails, they are so close !!!
That make the so called sonic difference between them is surely that the CR-7 might have less "stress" on the + - 12V rails
that are dedicated to the audio circuits, other voltages are supplied for other logic/mechanical needs, unlike the Dragon which aven't some ..
And the op amp for output is a faster one j-FET, among others ...
I am urged to discuss of it on Naktalk

Good luck in your scanner quest !!!
Regards,
Matyas



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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sat Oct 14 19:35:31 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 18:35:31 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
In-Reply-To: <007501c035f1$2973cfa0$bc496acf@johny1uboqh2n1>
Message-ID: <000201c03605$26d1e480$e883883e@a4s1s2>

For give this non-Nak question (but I didn't start this!) but what is SCSI?
I'm afraid I have very little knowledge on this subject but I too want a
decent scanner, esp. for photographs and transparencies/slides.  However, I
have a Dell Pentium II PC that has serial and parallel interface and no USB
port.

Graham

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From raah at concentric.net  Sat Oct 14 21:43:14 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 15:43:14 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
References: <000201c03605$26d1e480$e883883e@a4s1s2>
Message-ID: <39E8B752.3AD0DDD7@concentric.net>

Graham Nelson wrote:
> 
> For give this non-Nak question (but I didn't start this!) but what is SCSI?
> I'm afraid I have very little knowledge on this subject but I too want a
> decent scanner, esp. for photographs and transparencies/slides.  However, I
> have a Dell Pentium II PC that has serial and parallel interface and no USB
> port.
> 
> Graham


SCSI is simply another type of interface, such as
serial, parallel or USB (stands for Small Computer
System Interface). It's advantage is that it's very
fast (there are a few types of SCSI. The fastest,
if memory serves, delivers 160MB/Sec). Another
advantage is that SCSI supports up to 7 (or 15 --
depends on SCSI type) devices, while using computer
resources for only one device.

SCSI requires that the computer have a SCSI port,
into which you plug the SCSI device. The Epson 1200S
comes with a host adapter card (accounting for much
of its $100 price increase over the 1200U USB
scanner), that will take a PCI slot and provide the
required SCSI port.

If you have a USB port, the Epson 1200U will do just
as well. Scanners are very slow devices and do not
benefit from the SCSI speed capability.

-- Ron
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From mariano at starnet.net.ph  Sun Oct 15 01:31:31 2000
From: mariano at starnet.net.ph (Mariano L. Honrado, Jr.)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 07:31:31 +0800
Subject: [naktalk] User's Gallery
References: <ODICFABKOAPAJAAA@angelfire.com>
Message-ID: <002001c03636$e34297a0$4d0ab0cb@mariano>

Yeah!

Here's one more vote for the idea of a users gallery!

Mariano

----- Original Message -----
From: "The BlueSwapper" <blueswapper at angelfire.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Cc: "Mr Blues" <blueswapper at angelfire.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 9:33 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #423


> Ed, this is a splendid idea!  If only Wouter has the motivation and time
to do such a thing, it would be a fitting addition to the Nak Website
reputation and legacy.  Imagine, a personalized photo gallery with all the
devoted NakTalkers portrayed embracing their beloved Nak gear.  What a
pleasing sight for us to behold!!!
>
> Blues
>
> ---
> Help keep the blues alive!  Got Some???
> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper
>
>
>
> On Fri, 13 Oct 2000 07:16:03   naktalk-digest wrote:
> >
> >naktalk-digest        Friday, October 13 2000        Volume 02 : Number
423
> >
> >
>
> >
> >------------------------------
> >
> >Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 00:01:02 -0400
> >From: Ed Noyes <enoyes at snet.net>
> >Subject: [naktalk] What about a users gallery?
> >
> >All this talk of attachments with posts got me thinking of an old idea
from a few
> >years ago... what about the possibility of a users page on the site with
postings of
> >Naktalkers and their gear. I'd love to see a shot of Graham with a cup of
tea (or
> >rubbing alcohol perhaps depending on the hour) next to his beloved
Naks... or Carlos
> >amid the wall of great ones. I could go on, but you get the idea. Maybe
I'm crazy, but
> >it would be neat.
> >
> >Ed
> >
> >"Kannan. S" wrote:
> >
> >> Yeah I completely agree with Grahan and Blues - not because I was the
> >> unfortunate one to get caught in this, generally I do not attach any
files
> >> as we get thousands of resumes in to my machine with Word docs I had
found -
> >> good old text file is enough for 100% of the resumes we read.
> >> Almost I lost two days of precious time because of this virus and may
be
> >> some body else would have spent sleepless nights and days over it as PC
> >> today is main machine in our offices and home like telephone or Fax
> >> machines. Downtime due to virus attack is not worth. Somebody can send
a
> >> picture or any other interesting info to Wouter thru FTP area for safe
> >> receipt or viewing by all. And this is my humble opinion.
> >>
>
> Kannan - You are our most reasonable voice, since you have the intimate
feeling of inadvertently launching the naughty virus.  Perhaps others will
be influenced by your testimony here.  Regards......
>
> Blues
>
>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Graham Nelson <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> >> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> >> Date: Friday, October 13, 2000 5:35 AM
> >> Subject: [naktalk] Viruses
> >
>
> >
> >------------------------------
> >
> >Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 08:14:59 +0200
> >From: "MVM" <MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua>
> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] What about a users gallery?
> >
> >Hi Ed,
> >
> >Good idea!
> >
> >Misha
> >
> >PS: Graham, my friend! Please don't cry, some day you will have a NAKS ;)
> >
>
> Peer pressure will have old Graham selling his little pinkies to
accumulate enough eurodollars to finally purchase that English Dragon he
dreams so often about.......
>
> Blues
>
> >
> >------------------------------
> >
> >End of naktalk-digest V2 #423
> >*****************************
> >
> >
>
>
> Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com
>
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From MikeSwank at aol.com  Sun Oct 15 03:46:48 2000
From: MikeSwank at aol.com (MikeSwank at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 21:46:48 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] used Naks for sale
Message-ID: <62.8051b7f.271a6688@aol.com>

I have bought from these guys and they stand behind their sales 100%

Mike

<A HREF="http://www.audioclassics.com/">Audio Classics - Used McIntosh Krell 
Sunfire Ma
</A>
<A HREF="http://www.audioclassics.com/cat.php3?cat=Cassette%20Decks">Audio 
Classics - Cassette Decks</A>
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From rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil  Sun Oct 15 14:15:17 2000
From: rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil (Tellez, Raul)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 14:15:17 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] used Naks for sale
Message-ID: <3552BC4041EAD111826100A02475F2F002485922@nh-rota-exch1.med.navy.mil>

I concur.  Sometimes a little bit more expensive, but I have
always gotten top notch looking and working gear.

Raul

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2000 3:47 AM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] used Naks for sale


I have bought from these guys and they stand behind their sales 100%

Mike

<A HREF="http://www.audioclassics.com/">Audio Classics - Used McIntosh Krell

Sunfire Ma...</A>
<A HREF="http://www.audioclassics.com/cat.php3?cat=Cassette%20Decks">Audio 
Classics - Cassette Decks</A>
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sun Oct 15 20:56:21 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 19:56:21 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] The Dragon Slayer for sale
In-Reply-To: <62.8051b7f.271a6688@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c036d9$9b7c6d80$769f883e@a4s1s2>

You collectors out there may be interested in what I've just spotted on
e-Bay ...

"Tandberg TCD-910 MINT!!! "  Item #467169250

Currently, it's at $900 ...


Graham

PS If a Dragon owner buys this and thinks it kills his Dragon, give the
Dragon to me - I'm not proud!

>

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From cjsfeng at sfu.ca  Sun Oct 15 21:05:58 2000
From: cjsfeng at sfu.ca (Desmond Hidson)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 12:05:58 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
In-Reply-To: <000201c03605$26d1e480$e883883e@a4s1s2>
References: <000201c03605$26d1e480$e883883e@a4s1s2>
Message-ID: <a05001901b60fb02c8b33@[142.58.46.3]>


Is this naktalk or a computer, scanner newsgroup?

Des
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From raah at concentric.net  Sun Oct 15 21:26:52 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 15:26:52 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
References: <000201c03605$26d1e480$e883883e@a4s1s2> <a05001901b60fb02c8b33@[142.58.46.3]>
Message-ID: <39EA04FC.54351E10@concentric.net>

Desmond Hidson wrote:
> 
> Is this naktalk or a computer, scanner newsgroup?

NakTalk, by all means. Still, historically, this
mailing list has been, generally, open minded. In
the past, we have discussed improving analog and
digital gear, Sorbothane, Jazz music, CD players
and turntables -- to name a few. Since we've
recently been hit by a virus, this occupied a few
posts. Since posting manuals and schematics
involves scanning, we have chatted about these,
too.

Personally, I see no harm in diversification. If
a certain subject is of no interest, why, just
delete. It's no big deal.

-- Ron
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From JaqDRipper at aol.com  Mon Oct 16 00:14:52 2000
From: JaqDRipper at aol.com (JaqDRipper at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 18:14:52 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nakamichi VCR
Message-ID: <78.b711ef2.271b865c@aol.com>

I've never heard of Nakamichi having made a vcr until the other day! Does 
anybody know anything about it - when it was produced, features, et al.??? 
Does anyone have a picture of it?

Thanks,

Rob
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Mon Oct 16 00:19:16 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 23:19:16 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
In-Reply-To: <39EA04FC.54351E10@concentric.net>
Message-ID: <000101c036f5$f46ac7e0$13d4883e@a4s1s2>



Ron said.
>
> NakTalk, by all means. Still, historically, this
> mailing list has been, generally, open minded. In
> the past, we have discussed improving analog and
> digital gear, Sorbothane, Jazz music, CD players
> and turntables -- to name a few. Since we've
> recently been hit by a virus, this occupied a few
> posts. Since posting manuals and schematics
> involves scanning, we have chatted about these,
> too.
>
> Personally, I see no harm in diversification. If
> a certain subject is of no interest, why, just
> delete. It's no big deal.
>
>

I agree and not least since the issue of scanners is, to a large extent, for
the long-term benefit of the List members present and future, esp. for the
sharing of manuals that can otherwise cost silly money.

Graham

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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Mon Oct 16 00:19:12 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 23:19:12 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] CASSETTE COLLECTORS NOTE .... Pioneer CTS830S FOR SALE.
In-Reply-To: <62.8051b7f.271a6688@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000001c036f5$f231a0c0$13d4883e@a4s1s2>

I happen to know the guy selling this.  The kit will be in very good nick.
I've also heard some stuff recorded on this machine and it was  truly
excellent... even if it was employing Dolby S.

Graham

> http://page.auctions.yahoo.com/uk/auction/42390161.

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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Mon Oct 16 01:01:17 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 17:01:17 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] The Dragon Slayer for sale
Message-ID: <002e01c036fb$d3b32c80$7293bccf@sank1>

It is sooooo NOT a Dragon slayer!

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
-----Original Message-----
From: Graham Nelson <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Sunday, October 15, 2000 1:17 PM
Subject: [naktalk] The Dragon Slayer for sale


>You collectors out there may be interested in what I've just spotted on
>e-Bay ...
>
>"Tandberg TCD-910 MINT!!! "  Item #467169250
>
>Currently, it's at $900 ...
>
>
>Graham
>
>PS If a Dragon owner buys this and thinks it kills his Dragon, give the
>Dragon to me - I'm not proud!
>
>>
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Mon Oct 16 01:27:57 2000
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 19:27:57 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
References: <000201c03605$26d1e480$e883883e@a4s1s2> <a05001901b60fb02c8b33@[142.58.46.3]>
Message-ID: <005d01c036ff$8db4ca50$c2496acf@johny1uboqh2n1>

I didn't realize that Nak. made a scanner.  I bet it's in black. :-)

----- Original Message -----
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To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2000 3:05 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Scanner Questions


>
> Is this naktalk or a computer, scanner newsgroup?
>
> Des
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Mon Oct 16 01:29:30 2000
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 19:29:30 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
References: <000201c03605$26d1e480$e883883e@a4s1s2> <a05001901b60fb02c8b33@[142.58.46.3]> <39EA04FC.54351E10@concentric.net>
Message-ID: <006701c036ff$c4c55140$c2496acf@johny1uboqh2n1>

I'll second that, but please no beer ads.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron" <raah at concentric.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2000 3:26 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scanner Questions


> Desmond Hidson wrote:
> >
> > Is this naktalk or a computer, scanner newsgroup?
>
> NakTalk, by all means. Still, historically, this
> mailing list has been, generally, open minded. In
> the past, we have discussed improving analog and
> digital gear, Sorbothane, Jazz music, CD players
> and turntables -- to name a few. Since we've
> recently been hit by a virus, this occupied a few
> posts. Since posting manuals and schematics
> involves scanning, we have chatted about these,
> too.
>
> Personally, I see no harm in diversification. If
> a certain subject is of no interest, why, just
> delete. It's no big deal.
>
> -- Ron
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From MikeSwank at aol.com  Mon Oct 16 04:45:35 2000
From: MikeSwank at aol.com (MikeSwank at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 22:45:35 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] For sale decks at Audiogon
Message-ID: <6b.af9690e.271bc5cf@aol.com>

 More Nakamichi cassette decks for sale
<A HREF="http://www.audiogon.com/">Audiogon high end audio auctions, 
classifieds, 
</A>
http://www.audiogon.com/
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Mon Oct 16 09:48:21 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 08:48:21 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] The Dragon Slayer for sale
In-Reply-To: <002e01c036fb$d3b32c80$7293bccf@sank1>
Message-ID: <000301c03745$74d71e20$5a52883e@a4s1s2>

Stephen DON'T!!!  I'm trying to talk down the market here, so I can afford
one!  :¬)



> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> Stephen Sank
> Sent: 16 October 2000 00:01
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Dragon Slayer for sale
>
>
> It is sooooo NOT a Dragon slayer!
>
> S

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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Mon Oct 16 11:09:46 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 03:09:46 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration
Message-ID: <013401c03750$d5135820$7393bccf@sank1>

I've posted this question on rec.audio.pro with mixed response, weighing
more toward positive than negative.  Thought I would bounce it off of you
guys, too.  I have come up with a new name, which reflects the very large
shift in my business toward RCA ribbon mic restoration, as well as speaker
building.  Haven't figured out how to work Nakamichi & McIntosh service into
it as well, though.  Here it is:
The Talking Dog Transducer Company
My "logo" on the web page will be a photo of my RCA "Nipper" dog statue, in
sunglasses & hat (for lawyer supression), "talking" into an RCA ribbon
microphone, specifically the BK-11, my dad's design.
So, what do y'all think?

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
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From brianwinans at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 16 12:15:12 2000
From: brianwinans at hotmail.com (brian winans)
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 10:15:12 GMT
Subject: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration
Message-ID: <F106Qq5pneeFUtLch9w00001fe1@hotmail.com>

How about: "Ribbon mic's, Nak's, and Mac's INC.


>From: "Stephen Sank" <stephen_sank at rjknet.net>
>Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com
>To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration
>Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 03:09:46 -0600
>
>I've posted this question on rec.audio.pro with mixed response, weighing
>more toward positive than negative.  Thought I would bounce it off of you
>guys, too.  I have come up with a new name, which reflects the very large
>shift in my business toward RCA ribbon mic restoration, as well as speaker
>building.  Haven't figured out how to work Nakamichi & McIntosh service 
>into
>it as well, though.  Here it is:
>The Talking Dog Transducer Company
>My "logo" on the web page will be a photo of my RCA "Nipper" dog statue, in
>sunglasses & hat (for lawyer supression), "talking" into an RCA ribbon
>microphone, specifically the BK-11, my dad's design.
>So, what do y'all think?
>
>Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
>Champlain Valley Speaker Company
>http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
>1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
>Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
>505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
>mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
>https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
>Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Mon Oct 16 13:46:43 2000
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 07:46:43 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration
References: <013401c03750$d5135820$7393bccf@sank1>
Message-ID: <000901c03766$c1875e80$ac496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf>

Sounds good, let's see your Nipper.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Sank" <stephen_sank at rjknet.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 5:09 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration


> I've posted this question on rec.audio.pro with mixed response, weighing
> more toward positive than negative.  Thought I would bounce it off of you
> guys, too.  I have come up with a new name, which reflects the very large
> shift in my business toward RCA ribbon mic restoration, as well as speaker
> building.  Haven't figured out how to work Nakamichi & McIntosh service
into
> it as well, though.  Here it is:
> The Talking Dog Transducer Company
> My "logo" on the web page will be a photo of my RCA "Nipper" dog statue,
in
> sunglasses & hat (for lawyer supression), "talking" into an RCA ribbon
> microphone, specifically the BK-11, my dad's design.
> So, what do y'all think?
>
> Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
> Champlain Valley Speaker Company
> http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
> 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
> 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
> mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
> https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
>
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From brianm at grar.com  Mon Oct 16 14:36:36 2000
From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller)
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 08:36:36 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Recording level
References: <013401c03750$d5135820$7393bccf@sank1> <000901c03766$c1875e80$ac496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf>
Message-ID: <004001c0376d$eddcb000$1f021fac@brianm>

When setting the recording level, do you adhere strictly to the manual,
record higher, record lower???

Opinions, thoughts, etc...

Brian Miller
Michigan

If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and
believe in your heart that God raised Him from the
dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes
unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is
made unto salvation.

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From Klaus.Fendt.gp at icn.siemens.de  Mon Oct 16 15:14:31 2000
From: Klaus.Fendt.gp at icn.siemens.de (Fendt Klaus)
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:14:31 +0200
Subject: AW: [naktalk] Recording level
Message-ID: <35CDAB005708D31188810008C7286DE7FF3699@MCHH214E>

Normally I stick to the manual adjusting the level but I discovered that the high frequencies are nearer to the original when I adjust the BIAS 2 LED's above the zero position. I'm not sure but I think I've read that this setting reduces the BIAS current and I discovered this phenomenon on both of my Nak machines (Dragon, ZX-9).

Any other suggestions?

> -----Urspr> üngliche Nachricht-----
> Von:	Brian Miller [SMTP:brianm at grar.com]
> Gesendet am:	Montag, 16. Oktober 2000 14:37
> An:	naktalk at naks.com
> Betreff:	[naktalk] Recording level
> 
> When setting the recording level, do you adhere strictly to the manual,
> record higher, record lower???
> 
> Opinions, thoughts, etc...
> 
> Brian Miller
> Michigan
> 
> If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and
> believe in your heart that God raised Him from the
> dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes
> unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is
> made unto salvation.
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From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua  Mon Oct 16 17:38:22 2000
From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM)
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 17:38:22 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] CR-4 vs CR-7
Message-ID: <002201c03787$1f5746e0$0100007f@localhost>

Hi all!

I have a question about sound quality CR-4 vs. CR-7.
Personaly I prefer manual ajustments of CR-4 but
I heard a lot about great sounds of CR-7. Is there any 
significant differences in between those two decks?
Which one is more "desirable"?
I have CR-4 but now there is an oportunity to get CR-7.

Misha


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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Mon Oct 16 17:19:26 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 09:19:26 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration
Message-ID: <01a401c03784$79198420$7393bccf@sank1>

Hey, I don't show anybody my Nipper until I get to know them really well.
What kind of a tech do you think I am?

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: John M. Tooley <jmtooley at ce.net>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Monday, October 16, 2000 6:26 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration


>Sounds good, let's see your Nipper.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Stephen Sank" <stephen_sank at rjknet.net>
>To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 5:09 AM
>Subject: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration
>
>
>> I've posted this question on rec.audio.pro with mixed response, weighing
>> more toward positive than negative.  Thought I would bounce it off of you
>> guys, too.  I have come up with a new name, which reflects the very large
>> shift in my business toward RCA ribbon mic restoration, as well as
speaker
>> building.  Haven't figured out how to work Nakamichi & McIntosh service
>into
>> it as well, though.  Here it is:
>> The Talking Dog Transducer Company
>> My "logo" on the web page will be a photo of my RCA "Nipper" dog statue,
>in
>> sunglasses & hat (for lawyer supression), "talking" into an RCA ribbon
>> microphone, specifically the BK-11, my dad's design.
>> So, what do y'all think?
>>
>> Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
>> Champlain Valley Speaker Company
>> http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
>> 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
>> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
>> 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
>> mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
>> https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
>> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
>>
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From cvshanson at sprintmail.com  Mon Oct 16 20:54:40 2000
From: cvshanson at sprintmail.com (Vern Hanson)
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 10:54:40 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration
References: <013401c03750$d5135820$7393bccf@sank1>
Message-ID: <39EB4EEA.7CBE8837@sprintmail.com>

Stephen,

Having just finished videotaping a conference of lawyers talking about copyright
infringement, branding and other related subjects, I must ask if the sunglasses and
hat will be enough to keep the lawyers at bay.  From the sound of things at this
meeting I'm guessing that we have at least a couple of lawyers out there who are
looking of something to do!

Videovern

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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Mon Oct 16 18:19:30 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 10:19:30 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] CR-4 vs CR-7
Message-ID: <01c501c0378c$ddb43da0$7393bccf@sank1>

Hi, Misha.
The good thing about the CR-4 is that they were ALL gear drive, and there
were no mistakes in the rec EQ circuits as there were in early CR-7's.
Also, they have that super sexy copper plated chassis.  However, a
ger-drived, EQ-corrected CR-7 is still a better recorder & player, by virtue
of better electronics.  It is not a really big difference, but it is there.
Also, while the manual system for bias/rec level on the CR-4 is really nice,
it does not give individual left & right controls.  Market-value wise, the
CR-4 is usually 50 to 60 percent of CR-7 prices, so if you find a CR-4 for
much less than that, it is a very good buy any way you look at it.

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: MVM <MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Monday, October 16, 2000 9:23 AM
Subject: [naktalk] CR-4 vs CR-7


>Hi all!
>
>I have a question about sound quality CR-4 vs. CR-7.
>Personaly I prefer manual ajustments of CR-4 but
>I heard a lot about great sounds of CR-7. Is there any
>significant differences in between those two decks?
>Which one is more "desirable"?
>I have CR-4 but now there is an oportunity to get CR-7.
>
>Misha
>
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From jannissu at worldonline.nl  Mon Oct 16 19:28:56 2000
From: jannissu at worldonline.nl (Jannis)
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 19:28:56 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] CR-4
Message-ID: <001601c03796$b0eb3300$15f0f1c3@jannissu>

According to the manual the CR-4 can be remotely controled with RM-5 which I don't have. Can I use my RM-200 instead?

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From mhugo at sunint.co.za  Mon Oct 16 19:35:04 2000
From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo)
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 19:35:04 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] CASSETTE COLLECTORS NOTE .... Pioneer CTS830S FOR SALE.
References: <000001c036f5$f231a0c0$13d4883e@a4s1s2>
Message-ID: <39EB3C48.816C30FA@sunint.co.za>

No doubt about it, the CT-S830S is a splendid deck, although I have heard politely
negative comment about  it here. Later,  someone remarked that they thought it was
better than the CT-95.  But I never saw a bad mag review on it (or it's sister, the
CT-S740S which is identitcal in every important respect  but slightly newer ).
Admittedly, it does have the Pioneer house sound (upfront, fast, vocals are well
projected, not what I call 'warm').  The BLE-XD set up is not everyone's cup of tea.
Its dual cap transport  is very stable.  With TDK SA it will eat minidisc for
breakfast, lunch and dinner. It doesn't have the build of the CT91, 93 or 95 or for
that matter,  Nakamichis.  But then, you must treat it nice.(sic).  In a way, they're
kind of, over-compact in build, a bit like the newer Sony decks which Stephen doesn't
like. Stephen, your rantings are world class!!!  I can't wait for you to get your hands
on a DR-5.  For more steel and less plastic, a new TEAC V8030S can still be found and
that's quite a machine.  Built to last, and a taste of TASCAM 122.  Most of these decks
are discontinued now.

Anyhow, Graham, my point was, a well cared for CT-S830S is tremendously easy to live
with, to say the least.

Cheers all - BTW - the photo idea is great.

Marc Hugo

Graham Nelson wrote:

> I happen to know the guy selling this.  The kit will be in very good nick.
> I've also heard some stuff recorded on this machine and it was  truly
> excellent... even if it was employing Dolby S.
>
> Graham
>
> > http://page.auctions.yahoo.com/uk/auction/42390161.
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From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 16 20:42:11 2000
From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas)
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:42:11 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Amplifier Section Uploaded
Message-ID: <LAW-OE223tEqJdRz0RU00000bfd@hotmail.com>

Hi Nak fellows !

I just upload on the Naks.com FTP site an exerpt of my CR-7 service manual,
which is the audio circuits, Take it as a "snack" before I own a descent scanner (HP scanjet 5370), time in which I will scan the complete manual with a higer resolution.

I am urge to discuss with all of you the slight differances that make CR-7 sounding better vs Dragon.
-when Norman will resolve his scanner problems, of course :o)

Sincerly,

Matyas Csillagi
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From jeidbo at toolcity.net  Mon Oct 16 23:04:44 2000
From: jeidbo at toolcity.net (Joel Eidbo)
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 17:04:44 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration
References: <013401c03750$d5135820$7393bccf@sank1>
Message-ID: <004b01c037b4$b6978c40$5ce90bd0@oemcomputer>

how about         Ribbons and Bose?    Ouch!  joel

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Sank" <stephen_sank at rjknet.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 5:09 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration


> I've posted this question on rec.audio.pro with mixed response, weighing
> more toward positive than negative.  Thought I would bounce it off of you
> guys, too.  I have come up with a new name, which reflects the very large
> shift in my business toward RCA ribbon mic restoration, as well as speaker
> building.  Haven't figured out how to work Nakamichi & McIntosh service
into
> it as well, though.  Here it is:
> The Talking Dog Transducer Company
> My "logo" on the web page will be a photo of my RCA "Nipper" dog statue,
in
> sunglasses & hat (for lawyer supression), "talking" into an RCA ribbon
> microphone, specifically the BK-11, my dad's design.
> So, what do y'all think?
>
> Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
> Champlain Valley Speaker Company
> http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
> 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
> 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
> mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
> https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Tue Oct 17 01:32:01 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 17:32:01 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration
Message-ID: <020301c037c9$495c16e0$7393bccf@sank1>

Very clever, but heinously horrible, Joel.

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: Joel Eidbo <jeidbo at toolcity.net>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Monday, October 16, 2000 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration


>how about         Ribbons and Bose?    Ouch!  joel
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Stephen Sank" <stephen_sank at rjknet.net>
>To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 5:09 AM
>Subject: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration
>
>
>> I've posted this question on rec.audio.pro with mixed response, weighing
>> more toward positive than negative.  Thought I would bounce it off of you
>> guys, too.  I have come up with a new name, which reflects the very large
>> shift in my business toward RCA ribbon mic restoration, as well as
speaker
>> building.  Haven't figured out how to work Nakamichi & McIntosh service
>into
>> it as well, though.  Here it is:
>> The Talking Dog Transducer Company
>> My "logo" on the web page will be a photo of my RCA "Nipper" dog statue,
>in
>> sunglasses & hat (for lawyer supression), "talking" into an RCA ribbon
>> microphone, specifically the BK-11, my dad's design.
>> So, what do y'all think?
>>
>> Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
>> Champlain Valley Speaker Company
>> http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
>> 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
>> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
>> 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
>> mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
>> https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
>> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
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From marc at stager.com  Tue Oct 17 03:32:37 2000
From: marc at stager.com (Marc Stager)
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 21:32:37 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration
In-Reply-To: <013401c03750$d5135820$7393bccf@sank1>
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20001016201825.01c63570@mail.flashcom.net>

At 10/16/00, you wrote:
>...I have come up with a new name, which reflects the very large
>shift in my business toward RCA ribbon mic restoration, as well as speaker
>building.  Haven't figured out how to work Nakamichi & McIntosh service into
>it as well, though.  Here it is:

>The Talking Dog Transducer Company
>My "logo" on the web page will be a photo of my RCA "Nipper" dog statue, in
>sunglasses & hat (for lawyer supression), "talking" into an RCA ribbon
>microphone, specifically the BK-11, my dad's design.
>So, what do y'all think?

.................................

Well, the logic of the original Nipper logo was that his "master's
voice" was playing on the gramophone and it sounded so real, the dog
sat there listening intently.

I don't see any reason for the dog in your idea. Besides, dog's
been done.

How about a cat this time - tearing a ribbon to shreds.
Caption: "We can fix it!".

Seriously, Steve...

"The Talking Dog Transducer Company" is too verbose and vague, and
maybe a bit too frivolous - and doesn't address the hi-fi service
part of your gig.

How about just "Sank Service Lab". Simple and professional.
You do great work and your good name is your greatest asset.
No need for gimmicks.

If you do warranty service, that's a valuable endorsement from
the manufacturers. Seek out new warranty service contracts.

The speaker building part will be the toughest, methinks.
There are hundreds of small speaker shops all over the country.
You goal might be to get a pair to an influential reviewer
and hope you get a sparkling crititique. Then you'll find
yourself getting more business than you can handle. Otherwise
that part of the business probably won't be making money anytime
soon.

As to your service shop:

You probably won't do a lot of walk-in business in Albuquerque
so mail order customers are important.

You service two different clienteles: recording pros - repairing
RCA and other ribbon mics, and consumers - with McIntosh, Tandberg,
Nakamichi and other home type stereo gear.

Keep them separate and target your potential customer bases with
ads in publication like Mix and Pro Sound News for microphone
service, and Stereophile and Absolute Sound for the mid to
high-end consumer trade. But that could get expensive.

Then, of course, there's the Internet.
One cheap and effective way to promote your business is an
occasional auction on eBay, with links to your shop. Other
mailing lists like the Ampex list reach the pros, while a
couple of entries in the rec.audio newsgroups; marketplace,
tubes, pro, etc. gets your name around.

And, if you get my three RCA BK5B's sounding really nice and
you don't charge me for it, I'll mention your name to a couple
of people.

________________________ Marc Stager

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From cjsfeng at sfu.ca  Tue Oct 17 05:30:13 2000
From: cjsfeng at sfu.ca (Desmond Hidson)
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:30:13 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
In-Reply-To: <39EA04FC.54351E10@concentric.net>
References: <000201c03605$26d1e480$e883883e@a4s1s2>
 <a05001901b60fb02c8b33@[142.58.46.3]> <39EA04FC.54351E10@concentric.net>
Message-ID: <a05001901b611764cecbc@[142.58.46.3]>

>Desmond Hidson wrote:
>>
>>  Is this naktalk or a computer, scanner newsgroup?
>
>NakTalk, by all means. Still, historically, this
>mailing list has been, generally, open minded.

Then is this Naktalk or a scanner newsgroup ?

>In
>the past, we have discussed improving analog and
>digital gear, Sorbothane, Jazz music, CD players
>and turntables -- to name a few.

All related to sound, music, recording, playback ...

>  Since we've
>recently been hit by a virus,

Nasty stuff, Use Mac and Eudora.

>this occupied a few
>posts.

Indeed ...

>  Since posting manuals and schematics
>involves scanning, we have chatted about these,
>too.

Hence my original querie ...

>Personally, I see no harm in diversification. If
>a certain subject is of no interest, why, just
delete. It's no big deal.
>
>-- Ron

>Or take it to an appropriate newsgroup or off list ...

Desmond


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From blueswapper at angelfire.com  Tue Oct 17 06:26:36 2000
From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper)
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 21:26:36 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #433
Message-ID: <EOENLHMEFEEAKAAA@angelfire.com>

Hi Matyas!  I'm wondering what causes you to champion the CR-7 as the ultimate Nak deck?  I favor the RX-505, which has all the good stuff and autoreverse (I'm into the conveniences that the RX series offers the audio enthusiast). That and exceptionally solid performance, something the wealthier fellows can afford to spend extra dollars on with the finicky Dragons.  Since I primarily create analogue cassettes from my stable source decks (three Marantz & and two RX Naks) that are matched in bias and head alignment, I have no resulting need for manual azimuth adjustment options.  I believe the record/playback specs on the 505 are right up there with the CR-7, close to the Dragon. Furthermore, I wonder if my aging ears could even hear the difference between these three heavenly decks.  So, further enlighten me, perhaps to the point that I will be swayed over to the CR-7 crowd. Honestly, if I had $1000 to spend on another Nak, I'd grab a 1000ZXL!!!

Best regards, and where do you call home base (country/city where your emails originate from?)?

Mr Blues
Madison, WI  USA

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On Tue, 17 Oct 2000 03:34:08   naktalk-digest wrote:
>

>
>Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:42:11 +0200
>From: "Matyas" <Nakamikaze at hotmail.com>
>Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Amplifier Section Uploaded
>
>C'est un message de format MIME en plusieurs parties.

>
>Hi Nak fellows !
>
>I just upload on the Naks.com FTP site an exerpt of my CR-7 service =
>manual,
>which is the audio circuits, Take it as a "snack" before I own a descent =
>scanner (HP scanjet 5370), time in which I will scan the complete manual =
>with a higer resolution.
>
>I am urge to discuss with all of you the slight differances that make =
>CR-7 sounding better vs Dragon.
>- -when Norman will resolve his scanner problems, of course :o)
>
>Sincerly,
>
>Matyas Csillagi
>

>------------------------------

>
>Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 17:04:44 -0400
>From: "Joel Eidbo" <jeidbo at toolcity.net>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration
>
>how about Ribbons and Bose?    Ouch!  joel
>

>------------------------------
>
>Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 17:32:01 -0600
>From: "Stephen Sank" <stephen_sank at rjknet.net>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration
>
>Very clever, but heinously horrible, Joel.
>
>Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
>Champlain Valley Speaker Company


Stephen,

My suggestion is for you to bag the speaker gig,  and devote yourself to buying up all the boneyard Nakamichi gear you can find in the southwest USA and on the internet, rehabbing that to pristine specifications, and then selling to all us deprived collectors and audio enthusiasts around the world.  I'm sure you could make a handsome living dealing Nakamichis, and in your spare time evenings you could dabble in the microphone restoring business with nipper loyally beside you at your workbench!!!

Proposed business name - Nak & Nipper Restorers, Ltd. 

NNR, Ltd. Marketing Slogan - Send me your ribbons, capstans, and permalloy heads, whatever condition they may be, and we'll Sanktify your blessed audiophile souls!!!

Regards, and to all a sweet goodnight.......

Blues

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From Modernizy at netscape.net  Tue Oct 17 07:38:28 2000
From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick)
Date: 17 Oct 00 07:38:28 MSK
Subject: [[naktalk] Recording level]
Message-ID: <20001017043828.13814.qmail@wwcst269.netaddress.usa.net>

Usually I record with +3 dB (in my Technics it's Dolby level). When using
Metal tapes I can rise the level up to +5 dB without any artifacts. 

On Nak 700 I do not exceed 0 dB otherwise the recording becomes a bit
distorted.

Regards,

Nicholas.

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From Modernizy at netscape.net  Tue Oct 17 08:11:32 2000
From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick)
Date: 17 Oct 00 08:11:32 MSK
Subject: [Re: [naktalk] CASSETTE COLLECTORS NOTE .... Pioneer CTS830S FOR SALE.]
Message-ID: <20001017051132.14320.qmail@wwcst271.netaddress.usa.net>

Dear Marc,

I suppose that "politely negative comment" about CT-S830S was mine. I would
like to say only one thing: I do not particularly like the sound of this deck
mostly because of its overexposed Pioneer-like sound pattern. If you DO like
this pattern - this deck for you. I prefer another patterns for instance JVC
(in medium price range) or TEAC/Sony-before 1992(in higher range). 

Nakamichi count separately, their rivals are ReVox or Tandberg.

Regards,

Nicholas.

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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Tue Oct 17 08:38:05 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 00:38:05 -0600
Subject: [[naktalk] Recording level](700 limits)
Message-ID: <031301c03804$cec649a0$7393bccf@sank1>

Having just done a "music stress test" on a 700 that I had just finished
calibrating(Ed's), I can absolutely tell you that you should be able to go
at least +5VU frequent-peaks level before noticing any distortion of any
kind, both on normal & chrome.  If not, your 700 is not biased properly.
The pre-1978 Naks were a bit idiosyncratic on bias calibration, so it is
very common for inexperienced techs to do it way wrong.  On XL-II, I was
whacking +7 before I started to even hear any loss of transient peaks.

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
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-----Original Message-----
From: Nick <Modernizy at netscape.net>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Monday, October 16, 2000 11:01 PM
Subject: Re: [[naktalk] Recording level]


>Usually I record with +3 dB (in my Technics it's Dolby level). When using
>Metal tapes I can rise the level up to +5 dB without any artifacts.
>
>On Nak 700 I do not exceed 0 dB otherwise the recording becomes a bit
>distorted.
>
>Regards,
>
>Nicholas.
>
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From Modernizy at netscape.net  Tue Oct 17 16:18:30 2000
From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick)
Date: 17 Oct 00 16:18:30 MSK
Subject: [naktalk] Recording level (700 limits)]
Message-ID: <20001017131830.726.qmail@www0c.netaddress.usa.net>

Dear Stephen,

I think you must be right about 700's bias settings. It's my new aquisition
and I have not performed usual tests and checks on it yet.

Nicholas.

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From w.smetanig at chello.at  Tue Oct 17 20:39:19 2000
From: w.smetanig at chello.at (Wolfgang Smetanig)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 20:39:19 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Which is the best???
Message-ID: <39EC9CD7.9118C94A@chello.at>

Hi Naka-friends!

Just want to ask another trivial question:

Which tapedeck is the best for recording, which one the best of playing
back?

I know that there could start an tremendous discussion - but that´s what
I´m intended;-))

I own a quite large deck collection (also some non-Nakas) - and just
want to know which is (in your opinion) the best

Greetings from Austria


Wolfgang



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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Tue Oct 17 20:43:20 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 19:43:20 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration
In-Reply-To: <013401c03750$d5135820$7393bccf@sank1>
Message-ID: <000201c0386a$1f762860$efb5883e@a4s1s2>

Personally, I like it!  A lot.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> Stephen Sank
> Sent: 16 October 2000 10:10
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration
>
>
> I've posted this question on rec.audio.pro with mixed response, weighing
> more toward positive than negative.  Thought I would bounce it off of you
> guys, too.  I have come up with a new name, which reflects the very large
> shift in my business toward RCA ribbon mic restoration, as well as speaker
> building.  Haven't figured out how to work Nakamichi & McIntosh
> service into
> it as well, though.  Here it is:
> The Talking Dog Transducer Company
> My "logo" on the web page will be a photo of my RCA "Nipper" dog
> statue, in
> sunglasses & hat (for lawyer supression), "talking" into an RCA ribbon
> microphone, specifically the BK-11, my dad's design.
> So, what do y'all think?
>
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Tue Oct 17 20:56:02 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 19:56:02 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration
In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20001016201825.01c63570@mail.flashcom.net>
Message-ID: <000001c0386b$e5ac3be0$d68f883e@a4s1s2>



>
> Seriously, Steve...
>
> "The Talking Dog Transducer Company" is too verbose and vague, and
> maybe a bit too frivolous - and doesn't address the hi-fi service
> part of your gig.
>
>
Perhaps, but one of the more successful London based theatre companies is
called The Really Useful Company.  Personally, I'm thinking the wheel is
about to change from the short brand names - IBM, Apple, Virgin - and we're
going to start seeing more creative names, like Stephen has suggested,
because it will be these that stand out from the crowd.  So, for what it's
worth, if you can get by the copyright issue, I'd go for it!

Graham

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From penry at nortelnetworks.com  Tue Oct 17 21:29:54 2000
From: penry at nortelnetworks.com (Charles Penry)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 14:29:54 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] FA: Wow and Flutter Meter
Message-ID: <E7ADAD260BEED3119E7E0000F810CE17A7EB16@zrchb129.us.nortel.com>

If anyone is interested, I have a Leader Wow and Flutter Meter for auction
on ebay at :
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=470183425 if anyone
is interested.

I know it says US and Canada only but I will consider foreign countries, I
just don't know how to handle customs, etc.

I tested my old, worn, un-modified and un-maintained BX-100 (that I just
bought cheaply) with it and it just barely met wow and flutter
specifications!  This would be great for knowing when your Nak needs
attention.




Thanks,

Charles


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From brianm at grar.com  Tue Oct 17 21:47:10 2000
From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:47:10 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Which is the best???
References: <39EC9CD7.9118C94A@chello.at>
Message-ID: <008501c03873$0b878840$60021fac@brianm>

First, IMO, anyone that may test tape decks, the results could be subjective
due to whether or not they are up to spec.  Someone could claim deck A is
better than deck B and according to their test this could be true, but only
because one of the decks was mis-aligned.

I own a ZX-9 and a CR-7A, both have recently been gone through by ES Labs.
About a week or so ago I decided to try a head to head comparison.  I think
the ZX-9 has a slight edge in recording and the CR-7A *may* be a little
better in playback.  Let me say that they seemed to me to be so close is
became frustrating to hear for differences, my patients wore thin.  On my
test, I recorded the same songs on to the same brand tape, using the same
model interconnect and during playback I would have the CD source playing
and both decks and would switch between input selections to compare
differences.  When I say that I think the CR-7A *may* have better playback,
I derived at that by switching the tapes recorded in each and played them
back and I felt the tape recorded on the ZX-9 sounded better in the CR-7a
than the tape recorded in the CR-7a when played in the ZX-9.

I can only speak for these two decks, although I do feel they are two of the
top Nak decks.  I did own a 680 and I think it's performance is also tops,
but I can't say specifics as I didn't do a head to head with these.

Brian Miller
Michigan

If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that
God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one
believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto
salvation.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wolfgang Smetanig" <w.smetanig at chello.at>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 2:39 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Which is the best???


Hi Naka-friends!

Just want to ask another trivial question:

Which tapedeck is the best for recording, which one the best of playing
back?

I know that there could start an tremendous discussion - but that´s what
I´m intended;-))

I own a quite large deck collection (also some non-Nakas) - and just
want to know which is (in your opinion) the best

Greetings from Austria


Wolfgang



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From marc at stager.com  Tue Oct 17 22:03:45 2000
From: marc at stager.com (Marc Stager)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:03:45 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration
In-Reply-To: <000001c0386b$e5ac3be0$d68f883e@a4s1s2>
References: <5.0.0.25.2.20001016201825.01c63570@mail.flashcom.net>
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20001017154314.01caeeb0@mail.flashcom.net>

Fine, but is it relevant?

If someone has a McIntosh amplifier that needs service and
sees an ad for "The Talking Dog Transducer Company", do you
think Steve's going to get a call?

Do you even think the owner of that amplifier will even
be interested in seeing if the Talking Dog company fixes
Mac amplifiers?

For a theater company or record company a cutesy name
is just fine, but there the product precedes the name.
You see all sorts of goofy production company names at the
beginning of a movie, but you've paid to see it because
you want to see that particular movie, not because a particular
production company made the film. Who cares if, in 1959,
a million selling Pat Boone record was produced by
"Cooga Mooga, Inc., Boone's production company.

Here, the name is what will draw or dissuade a new customer.

If you're in business to draw new customers, at least let them
know what business you are in. A huge company like Verizon
will spend millions announcing their name change so that the
public is aware that they are the former Bell Atlantic.
If you don't have the budget to do this sort of advertising,
you need a name that is simple, serious, and relevant,
particularly when you are reaching out to new customers
who have never heard of you before. It's just common sense.

___________________ Marc Stager

__________________________________

 > "The Talking Dog Transducer Company" is too verbose and vague, and
 > maybe a bit too frivolous - and doesn't address the hi-fi service
 > part of your gig.
 >
Perhaps, but one of the more successful London based theatre companies is
called The Really Useful Company.  Personally, I'm thinking the wheel is
about to change from the short brand names - IBM, Apple, Virgin - and we're
going to start seeing more creative names, like Stephen has suggested,
because it will be these that stand out from the crowd.  So, for what it's
worth, if you can get by the copyright issue, I'd go for it!

Graham
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From marc at stager.com  Tue Oct 17 23:20:40 2000
From: marc at stager.com (Marc Stager)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 17:20:40 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Which is the best???
In-Reply-To: <008501c03873$0b878840$60021fac@brianm>
References: <39EC9CD7.9118C94A@chello.at>
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20001017165456.01c72bf0@mail.flashcom.net>

Any Nakamichi, or any other decent cassette deck for that matter,
can make a fine recording if it's in peak condition and set up
for the specific tape you are using.

The limitation is no longer in the hardware but in the medium:
A tiny pair of magnetic tracks passing the heads at an incredibly
slow 1 7/8 ips takes a lot of technology to match the sound of a
good reel machine. The amazing thing is that they can get very,
very close.

Simple logic will tell you that if you are magnetizing 16 times
the area of magnetic particles with 4 track stereo at 7.5 IPS,
you will have lower distortion, wider bandwidth, and (without
cassette NR) higher s/n ratio.

Analog mastering machines without Dolby get 90 DB s/n ratio at
30IPS, 2 track half inch. 128 times as much magnetic media
pass under a head in the mastering deck than in a cassette deck.
The amazing thing is that you can get 86 db s/n ratio on the cassette
with Dolby S!  But the headroom, distortion, ... no comparison.

Which is why, if you really want the best sound the state of the
art cassette recording will allow, you have to go for the very finest
metal cassette money can buy, and Dolby NR - after you peak-tune your
machine. A cassette machine is, at best, a very highly evolved
dictating machine.

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From marc at stager.com  Tue Oct 17 22:03:45 2000
From: marc at stager.com (Marc Stager)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:03:45 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration
In-Reply-To: <000001c0386b$e5ac3be0$d68f883e@a4s1s2>
References: <5.0.0.25.2.20001016201825.01c63570@mail.flashcom.net>
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20001017154314.01caeeb0@mail.flashcom.net>

Fine, but is it relevant?

If someone has a McIntosh amplifier that needs service and
sees an ad for "The Talking Dog Transducer Company", do you
think Steve's going to get a call?

Do you even think the owner of that amplifier will even
be interested in seeing if the Talking Dog company fixes
Mac amplifiers?

For a theater company or record company a cutesy name
is just fine, but there the product precedes the name.
You see all sorts of goofy production company names at the
beginning of a movie, but you've paid to see it because
you want to see that particular movie, not because a particular
production company made the film. Who cares if, in 1959,
a million selling Pat Boone record was produced by
"Cooga Mooga, Inc., Boone's production company.

Here, the name is what will draw or dissuade a new customer.

If you're in business to draw new customers, at least let them
know what business you are in. A huge company like Verizon
will spend millions announcing their name change so that the
public is aware that they are the former Bell Atlantic.
If you don't have the budget to do this sort of advertising,
you need a name that is simple, serious, and relevant,
particularly when you are reaching out to new customers
who have never heard of you before. It's just common sense.

___________________ Marc Stager

__________________________________

 > "The Talking Dog Transducer Company" is too verbose and vague, and
 > maybe a bit too frivolous - and doesn't address the hi-fi service
 > part of your gig.
 >
Perhaps, but one of the more successful London based theatre companies is
called The Really Useful Company.  Personally, I'm thinking the wheel is
about to change from the short brand names - IBM, Apple, Virgin - and we're
going to start seeing more creative names, like Stephen has suggested,
because it will be these that stand out from the crowd.  So, for what it's
worth, if you can get by the copyright issue, I'd go for it!

Graham
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From targowski at mediaone.net  Tue Oct 17 23:36:08 2000
From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:36:08 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Which is the best???
In-Reply-To: <39EC9CD7.9118C94A@chello.at>
Message-ID: <NDBBLFHPELODKPKLBMPGEEBFCDAA.targowski@mediaone.net>

What's the groups take on Harman Kardon's CD-491. Frequency response
20-20+/-3db at 0VU, 20-24Khz+/-3db (-20VU). Custom calibration. Solid built.

Stan

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
Wolfgang Smetanig
Sent: Tue, October 17, 2000 1:39 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Which is the best???


Hi Naka-friends!

Just want to ask another trivial question:

Which tapedeck is the best for recording, which one the best of playing
back?

I know that there could start an tremendous discussion - but that´s what
I´m intended;-))

I own a quite large deck collection (also some non-Nakas) - and just
want to know which is (in your opinion) the best

Greetings from Austria


Wolfgang



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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Wed Oct 18 00:21:25 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:21:25 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration
Message-ID: <03cd01c03888$97133520$7393bccf@sank1>

Graham, just for your positive response to the name & also to stop yer
whining(!), I have a pretty decent BX-1 I would like to give to you(if you
don't mind it being 120v).  Send me your address & it's yours.

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: Graham Nelson <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 1:07 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration


>Personally, I like it!  A lot.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
>> Stephen Sank
>> Sent: 16 October 2000 10:10
>> To: naktalk at naks.com
>> Subject: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration
>>
>>
>> I've posted this question on rec.audio.pro with mixed response, weighing
>> more toward positive than negative.  Thought I would bounce it off of you
>> guys, too.  I have come up with a new name, which reflects the very large
>> shift in my business toward RCA ribbon mic restoration, as well as
speaker
>> building.  Haven't figured out how to work Nakamichi & McIntosh
>> service into
>> it as well, though.  Here it is:
>> The Talking Dog Transducer Company
>> My "logo" on the web page will be a photo of my RCA "Nipper" dog
>> statue, in
>> sunglasses & hat (for lawyer supression), "talking" into an RCA ribbon
>> microphone, specifically the BK-11, my dad's design.
>> So, what do y'all think?
>>
>>
>
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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Wed Oct 18 00:29:45 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:29:45 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Which is the best???
Message-ID: <03e501c03889$c1393240$7393bccf@sank1>

The HK decks, particularly the CD-491, have radically "tweaked" equalisation
curves, way off of NAB or IEC, to compensate for poor head design.  Also,
the CD-491 & several other HK's I have tested don't even have flat response
in "source monitor", just going through the electronics.  About 2dB down by
15khz.  Pretty abominable.  The other "stay away" factor, at least for my
taste, is that damned granular matte finish on the front panel.  Damn near
impossible to clean!

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: Stan Targowski <targowski at mediaone.net>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 3:51 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Which is the best???


>What's the groups take on Harman Kardon's CD-491. Frequency response
>20-20+/-3db at 0VU, 20-24Khz+/-3db (-20VU). Custom calibration. Solid
built.
>
>Stan
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
>Wolfgang Smetanig
>Sent: Tue, October 17, 2000 1:39 PM
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: [naktalk] Which is the best???
>
>
>Hi Naka-friends!
>
>Just want to ask another trivial question:
>
>Which tapedeck is the best for recording, which one the best of playing
>back?
>
>I know that there could start an tremendous discussion - but that´s what
>I´m intended;-))
>
>I own a quite large deck collection (also some non-Nakas) - and just
>want to know which is (in your opinion) the best
>
>Greetings from Austria
>
>
>Wolfgang
>
>
>
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Wed Oct 18 00:49:26 2000
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 18:49:26 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration
References: <03cd01c03888$97133520$7393bccf@sank1>
Message-ID: <001001c0388c$80926ab0$a9496acf@johny1uboqh2n1>

Stephen,

If I beg will you send me a Nak. Dragon? :-)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Sank" <stephen_sank at rjknet.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 6:21 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration


> Graham, just for your positive response to the name & also to stop yer
> whining(!), I have a pretty decent BX-1 I would like to give to you(if you
> don't mind it being 120v).  Send me your address & it's yours.
>
> Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
> Champlain Valley Speaker Company
> http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
> 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
> 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
> mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
> https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Graham Nelson <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> Date: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 1:07 PM
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration
>
>
> >Personally, I like it!  A lot.
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf
Of
> >> Stephen Sank
> >> Sent: 16 October 2000 10:10
> >> To: naktalk at naks.com
> >> Subject: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration
> >>
> >>
> >> I've posted this question on rec.audio.pro with mixed response,
weighing
> >> more toward positive than negative.  Thought I would bounce it off of
you
> >> guys, too.  I have come up with a new name, which reflects the very
large
> >> shift in my business toward RCA ribbon mic restoration, as well as
> speaker
> >> building.  Haven't figured out how to work Nakamichi & McIntosh
> >> service into
> >> it as well, though.  Here it is:
> >> The Talking Dog Transducer Company
> >> My "logo" on the web page will be a photo of my RCA "Nipper" dog
> >> statue, in
> >> sunglasses & hat (for lawyer supression), "talking" into an RCA ribbon
> >> microphone, specifically the BK-11, my dad's design.
> >> So, what do y'all think?
> >>
> >>
> >
>
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From kmeridet at anderson.edu  Wed Oct 18 01:07:08 2000
From: kmeridet at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 18:07:08 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] FA: Wow and Flutter Meter
Message-ID: <s9ec9567.051@WORF.anderson.edu>

Charles,

Does the meter come with the owners/operators manual?

>>> penry at nortelnetworks.com 10/17/00 02:29PM >>>
If anyone is interested, I have a Leader Wow and Flutter Meter for auction
on ebay at :
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=470183425 if anyone
is interested.

I know it says US and Canada only but I will consider foreign countries, I
just don't know how to handle customs, etc.

I tested my old, worn, un-modified and un-maintained BX-100 (that I just
bought cheaply) with it and it just barely met wow and flutter
specifications!  This would be great for knowing when your Nak needs
attention.




Thanks,

Charles



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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Wed Oct 18 01:23:17 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 17:23:17 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration
Message-ID: <043901c03891$3bd063a0$7393bccf@sank1>

No, John.  First you have to whine about not having one for a year on the
list.  Then, I'll think about it.

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
-----Original Message-----
From: John M. Tooley <jmtooley at ce.net>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration


>Stephen,
>
>If I beg will you send me a Nak. Dragon? :-)
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Stephen Sank" <stephen_sank at rjknet.net>
>To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 6:21 PM
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration
>
>
>> Graham, just for your positive response to the name & also to stop yer
>> whining(!), I have a pretty decent BX-1 I would like to give to you(if
you
>> don't mind it being 120v).  Send me your address & it's yours.
>>
>> Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
>> Champlain Valley Speaker Company
>> http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
>> 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
>> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
>> 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
>> mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
>> https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
>> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Graham Nelson <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
>> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
>> Date: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 1:07 PM
>> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration
>>
>>
>> >Personally, I like it!  A lot.
>> >
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf
>Of
>> >> Stephen Sank
>> >> Sent: 16 October 2000 10:10
>> >> To: naktalk at naks.com
>> >> Subject: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I've posted this question on rec.audio.pro with mixed response,
>weighing
>> >> more toward positive than negative.  Thought I would bounce it off of
>you
>> >> guys, too.  I have come up with a new name, which reflects the very
>large
>> >> shift in my business toward RCA ribbon mic restoration, as well as
>> speaker
>> >> building.  Haven't figured out how to work Nakamichi & McIntosh
>> >> service into
>> >> it as well, though.  Here it is:
>> >> The Talking Dog Transducer Company
>> >> My "logo" on the web page will be a photo of my RCA "Nipper" dog
>> >> statue, in
>> >> sunglasses & hat (for lawyer supression), "talking" into an RCA ribbon
>> >> microphone, specifically the BK-11, my dad's design.
>> >> So, what do y'all think?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
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