g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2001\2001-1.txt ************************************************************************ From k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de Fri Jan 12 17:41:57 2001 From: k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de (Karl-Heinz Herrmann) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 17:41:57 +0100 (MET) Subject: [naktalk] server down In-Reply-To: <002001c18326$bac8c400$0100007f@localhost> Message-ID: Hey! Now I know what I missed in my mailbox all this time. Happy New Millenium to everybody. K.-H. On 12-Dec-01 MVM wrote: > Any Nak news in a new millenium? > > Misha > >> The naks.com server will be going down today for some time. >> I guess this will be until the beginning of next year. >> >> Sorry for the inconvenience. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ E-Mail: Karl-Heinz Herrmann Sent: 12-Jan-01, 17:41:09 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Jan 12 18:08:46 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 12:08:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Public thanks to Stephen References: <3A39E19E.7F868DCF@xs4all.nl> <002001c18326$bac8c400$0100007f@localhost> Message-ID: <3A5F3A1E.33100B4F@concentric.net> Stephen Sank doesn't need additional recommendations anymore, he already enjoys an excellent reputation. Still, I can't help but post another one. I own an old Toshiba SV-F990 VCR. This model is the Nakamichi of VCRs. It ran flawlessly for almost 10 years, then developed PB noise. I delivered it to 'Stereo Components Service', which is a 'Toshiba Key Service Center' in Boston. They diagnosed 3 bad ICs, that they wanted $100 for (plus $90 for labor). I looked at the schematic -- there was no way these ICs could be causing the problem. Besides, they cost about $25, not $100. Those Toshiba pillars of honesty charged $25 for trying to rip me off. So, I took the VCR back home and discovered they damaged the mechanism and the VCR was now destroying cassettes. Meaning, not only were they dishonest, but also totally incompetent. I then delivered the VCR to 'Tops Electronics Service' in Haverhill, MA -- another Toshiba 'Key Service Center'. Turned out the original fault was a bad $4.80 capacitor. However, they couldn't repair the mechanism broken by the previous Toshiba tech, claiming that required parts were no longer available. Their final conclusion: trash this $2000 VCR. For this advice, they charged another $25. Enter Stephen... I sent him email, asking whether he works on VCRs. Stephen replied that indeed he does, he knows my SV-F990 well and even has the service manual for it. I shipped the VCR to him. Stehpen located the damage inflicted by the Toshiba tech and repaired it (no unavailable parts were needed). He replaced the (readily available) pinch roller, serviced the mechanism and adjusted/calibrated the machine. I got the VCR back, working absolutely beautifully. After the trials and tribulations I had gone through with the Toshiba @#$%! people, this was nothing short of a miracle... I also own a Nakamichi CR-7a, that blew its capstan motor. I repaired the motor, but do not have a reference cassette, so wasn't sure about the speed accuracy. After the repair, the motor was still drawing excessive current and I intended to eventually replace it with a new one. I shipped my Nakamichi CR-7a to Stephen, asking for complete alignment/calibration. While working on it, Stephen felt that friction in the take-up capstan shaft was higher than usual, so he pulled it out and re-lubricated. This took care of the mysterious current draw (and saved me $150 for a new motor). While servicing the deck, I had turned the capstan by hand myself, and to me, it seemed to revolve quite freely. I suspect very few techs would have noticed this extra friction. When I got my CR-7a back, it sounded better (seriously better) than it ever did before. By now, I expected nothing less from Stephen and wasn't even surprised... These were two difficult problems with two pieces of fairly complex, expensive and exacting gear. Stephen tackled both with remarkable success. I can wholeheartedly recommend him for any service work on high end equipment. I want to publicly thank him for two jobs, superbly done. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri Jan 12 18:16:44 2001 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 18:16:44 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Server UP! Message-ID: <3A5F3BFC.8B7674B4@xs4all.nl> Hi all! Happy + Nakky 2001 Everyone, if i may still say this... The server is UP again and I hope it will stay like this for some time now! Thanks to my friends at interspective.nl for supplying hosting bandwith to me and some of my collegues who were cut-off the network quite suddenly by our corporate IT department.... 'private' hosting wasn't allowed anymore... I still see some problems with the website but this should fixed automatically really soon. Hopefully this will be a great year for all of us! Wouter ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri Jan 12 18:36:09 2001 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 18:36:09 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] FTP server Message-ID: <3A5F4089.99764D13@xs4all.nl> Hi All, Due to the 'friendly' hosting party and the amount of money they are going to charge me for using too much of their bandwith (yes it IS going to cost money now) I just shut down the FTP server. People started downloading stuff from it even before I send a mail to this list, they don't limit to the manual(s) they need but take everything! This isn't going to help me reducing the bandwith so I have to think of something.... Wouter ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Fri Jan 12 18:41:10 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 18:41:10 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] server down References: Message-ID: Happy new millennium !!! I am happy to see you all again ! > > Any Nak news in a new millennium? Yes ! Yesterday I was browsing the web with Nak-thirst and I found that Nakamichi Japan has re-issued their Nak Limited DRAGON CD Player & Dragon DAC !! available for 1 500 000 yens ... http://www.nakamichi.co.jp/audio/dragonltd2.htm One year ago I eared some rather reliable info from Nak distributors about the re-issue of the Nak cassette Dragon ... but as you can see, it is not about the same specie they where talking about . I am all the way pretty more than surprised by such a release from the Nakamichi of nowadays !!! It is amazing to see there is yet\again some extremists and legend bounded persons in the Japan Nak circle, after having touch the shitty Sound Space plastic junk in a fair...horrible !!! Matyas ;o) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karl-Heinz Herrmann" To: Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 5:41 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] server down > Hey! > > Now I know what I missed in my mailbox all this time. > Happy New Millenium to everybody. > > K.-H. > > On 12-Dec-01 MVM wrote: > > Any Nak news in a new millenium? > > > > Misha > > > >> The naks.com server will be going down today for some time. > >> I guess this will be until the beginning of next year. > >> > >> Sorry for the inconvenience. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > E-Mail: Karl-Heinz Herrmann > Sent: 12-Jan-01, 17:41:09 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Fri Jan 12 20:05:41 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 14:05:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Public thanks to Stephen References: <3A39E19E.7F868DCF@xs4all.nl> <002001c18326$bac8c400$0100007f@localhost> <3A5F3A1E.33100B4F@concentric.net> Message-ID: <001101c07cca$a9013300$bf496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf> I can second that and recommend anybody that needs professional service on a Nakamichi product to contact him. He does excellent work but doesn't charge an arm and leg for it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 12:08 PM Subject: [naktalk] Public thanks to Stephen > > Stephen Sank doesn't need additional recommendations > anymore, he already enjoys an excellent reputation. > Still, I can't help but post another one. > > I own an old Toshiba SV-F990 VCR. This model is the > Nakamichi of VCRs. It ran flawlessly for almost 10 > years, then developed PB noise. I delivered it to > 'Stereo Components Service', which is a 'Toshiba > Key Service Center' in Boston. They diagnosed 3 > bad ICs, that they wanted $100 for (plus $90 for > labor). I looked at the schematic -- there was no > way these ICs could be causing the problem. > Besides, they cost about $25, not $100. Those > Toshiba pillars of honesty charged $25 for trying > to rip me off. > > So, I took the VCR back home and discovered they > damaged the mechanism and the VCR was now destroying > cassettes. Meaning, not only were they dishonest, > but also totally incompetent. > > I then delivered the VCR to 'Tops Electronics > Service' in Haverhill, MA -- another Toshiba 'Key > Service Center'. Turned out the original fault was > a bad $4.80 capacitor. However, they couldn't repair > the mechanism broken by the previous Toshiba tech, > claiming that required parts were no longer > available. Their final conclusion: trash this $2000 > VCR. For this advice, they charged another $25. > > Enter Stephen... I sent him email, asking whether > he works on VCRs. Stephen replied that indeed he > does, he knows my SV-F990 well and even has the > service manual for it. I shipped the VCR to him. > > Stehpen located the damage inflicted by the Toshiba > tech and repaired it (no unavailable parts were > needed). He replaced the (readily available) pinch > roller, serviced the mechanism and > adjusted/calibrated the machine. I got the VCR > back, working absolutely beautifully. After the > trials and tribulations I had gone through with > the Toshiba @#$%! people, this was nothing short > of a miracle... > > I also own a Nakamichi CR-7a, that blew its > capstan motor. I repaired the motor, but do not > have a reference cassette, so wasn't sure about > the speed accuracy. After the repair, the motor > was still drawing excessive current and I intended > to eventually replace it with a new one. > > I shipped my Nakamichi CR-7a to Stephen, asking > for complete alignment/calibration. While working > on it, Stephen felt that friction in the take-up > capstan shaft was higher than usual, so he pulled > it out and re-lubricated. This took care of the > mysterious current draw (and saved me $150 for a > new motor). While servicing the deck, I had turned > the capstan by hand myself, and to me, it seemed > to revolve quite freely. I suspect very few techs > would have noticed this extra friction. > > When I got my CR-7a back, it sounded better > (seriously better) than it ever did before. By > now, I expected nothing less from Stephen and > wasn't even surprised... > > These were two difficult problems with two pieces > of fairly complex, expensive and exacting gear. > Stephen tackled both with remarkable success. I > can wholeheartedly recommend him for any service > work on high end equipment. I want to publicly > thank him for two jobs, superbly done. > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From stephen_sank at rjknet.net Sat Jan 13 01:30:04 2001 From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 17:30:04 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Public thanks to Stephen References: <3A39E19E.7F868DCF@xs4all.nl> <002001c18326$bac8c400$0100007f@localhost> <3A5F3A1E.33100B4F@concentric.net> <001101c07cca$a9013300$bf496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf> Message-ID: <001701c07cf7$f9d92da0$7393bccf@sank1> You guys are starting to make me blush. Thanks very much for the compliments. I must confess, though, that being a self-employed, single dad of an 11 year old daughter does leave me a few cards short of a full deck most of the time, so I do make mistakes now & then. I always do my utmost to fix these mistakes, though, of course. It's good to have the list up again. I was missing the daily banter. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Tooley" To: Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 12:05 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Public thanks to Stephen > I can second that and recommend anybody that needs professional service on a > Nakamichi product to contact him. He does excellent work but doesn't charge > an arm and leg for it. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 12:08 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Public thanks to Stephen > > > > > > Stephen Sank doesn't need additional recommendations > > anymore, he already enjoys an excellent reputation. > > Still, I can't help but post another one. > > > > I own an old Toshiba SV-F990 VCR. This model is the > > Nakamichi of VCRs. It ran flawlessly for almost 10 > > years, then developed PB noise. I delivered it to > > 'Stereo Components Service', which is a 'Toshiba > > Key Service Center' in Boston. They diagnosed 3 > > bad ICs, that they wanted $100 for (plus $90 for > > labor). I looked at the schematic -- there was no > > way these ICs could be causing the problem. > > Besides, they cost about $25, not $100. Those > > Toshiba pillars of honesty charged $25 for trying > > to rip me off. > > > > So, I took the VCR back home and discovered they > > damaged the mechanism and the VCR was now destroying > > cassettes. Meaning, not only were they dishonest, > > but also totally incompetent. > > > > I then delivered the VCR to 'Tops Electronics > > Service' in Haverhill, MA -- another Toshiba 'Key > > Service Center'. Turned out the original fault was > > a bad $4.80 capacitor. However, they couldn't repair > > the mechanism broken by the previous Toshiba tech, > > claiming that required parts were no longer > > available. Their final conclusion: trash this $2000 > > VCR. For this advice, they charged another $25. > > > > Enter Stephen... I sent him email, asking whether > > he works on VCRs. Stephen replied that indeed he > > does, he knows my SV-F990 well and even has the > > service manual for it. I shipped the VCR to him. > > > > Stehpen located the damage inflicted by the Toshiba > > tech and repaired it (no unavailable parts were > > needed). He replaced the (readily available) pinch > > roller, serviced the mechanism and > > adjusted/calibrated the machine. I got the VCR > > back, working absolutely beautifully. After the > > trials and tribulations I had gone through with > > the Toshiba @#$%! people, this was nothing short > > of a miracle... > > > > I also own a Nakamichi CR-7a, that blew its > > capstan motor. I repaired the motor, but do not > > have a reference cassette, so wasn't sure about > > the speed accuracy. After the repair, the motor > > was still drawing excessive current and I intended > > to eventually replace it with a new one. > > > > I shipped my Nakamichi CR-7a to Stephen, asking > > for complete alignment/calibration. While working > > on it, Stephen felt that friction in the take-up > > capstan shaft was higher than usual, so he pulled > > it out and re-lubricated. This took care of the > > mysterious current draw (and saved me $150 for a > > new motor). While servicing the deck, I had turned > > the capstan by hand myself, and to me, it seemed > > to revolve quite freely. I suspect very few techs > > would have noticed this extra friction. > > > > When I got my CR-7a back, it sounded better > > (seriously better) than it ever did before. By > > now, I expected nothing less from Stephen and > > wasn't even surprised... > > > > These were two difficult problems with two pieces > > of fairly complex, expensive and exacting gear. > > Stephen tackled both with remarkable success. I > > can wholeheartedly recommend him for any service > > work on high end equipment. I want to publicly > > thank him for two jobs, superbly done. > > > > -- Ron > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From w.smetanig at chello.at Sat Jan 13 09:00:39 2001 From: w.smetanig at chello.at (Wolfgang Smetanig) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 09:00:39 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Server UP! References: <3A5F3BFC.8B7674B4@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <3A600B27.649770F8@chello.at> Hurray; it´s fine to see you guys all back in the new millenium:-)) Thanks Wouter, now the evenings are not so boring any longer:-)) Wolfgang Wouter Heijke schrieb: > Hi all! > > Happy + Nakky 2001 Everyone, if i may still say this... > > The server is UP again and I hope it will stay like this for some time > now! > > Thanks to my friends at interspective.nl for supplying hosting bandwith > to me and some of my collegues who were cut-off the network quite > suddenly by our corporate IT department.... 'private' hosting wasn't > allowed anymore... > > I still see some problems with the website but this should fixed > automatically really soon. > > Hopefully this will be a great year for all of us! > > Wouter > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Jan 13 18:10:20 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 12:10:20 EST Subject: [naktalk] Public thanks to Stephen Message-ID: <94.eb243b7.2791e5fc@aol.com> Way to go Stephen! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Jan 13 18:12:56 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 12:12:56 EST Subject: [naktalk] FTP server Message-ID: <3b.f05ccb4.2791e698@aol.com> Hi Wouter, I know that FTP is better suited for large file transfers over the 'Net, but what about posting all of your pdf files on a free website? [e.g. www.homestead.com, www.geocities.com, www.aol.com) Just a thought. How are you? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Jan 13 18:14:03 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 12:14:03 EST Subject: [naktalk] Server UP! Message-ID: Kudos Wouter! It is good to see of all you also! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From rob755 at jps.net Sun Jan 14 19:12:00 2001 From: rob755 at jps.net (Robert A. Hamilton) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 10:12:00 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] zx-9 wireless remote control Message-ID: hi, i have a zx-9 and would like to learn something about remote control capabilities. i understand aseperate box can be added. does anyone know where i could find one? ballpark cost range? does nakamichi sell them new? any feedback will be appreciated. thanks, rob ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Sun Jan 14 19:40:39 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 13:40:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] zx-9 wireless remote control References: Message-ID: <001a01c07e59$7f2fc4c0$07021fac@brianm> Hi Rob, Try contacting Jeffrey Galin at ES Labs, he may have one. www.eslabs.com Brian Miller Michigan God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert A. Hamilton" To: Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2001 1:12 PM Subject: [naktalk] zx-9 wireless remote control > hi, i have a zx-9 and would like to learn something about remote control > capabilities. i understand aseperate box can be added. does anyone know > where i could find one? ballpark cost range? does nakamichi sell them new? > any feedback will be appreciated. thanks, rob > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de Mon Jan 15 13:23:40 2001 From: k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de (Karl-Heinz Herrmann) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 13:23:40 +0100 (MET) Subject: [naktalk] FTP server In-Reply-To: <3b.f05ccb4.2791e698@aol.com> Message-ID: Hi, On 13-Jan-01 SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > what about posting all of your pdf files on a free website? [e.g. > www.homestead.com, www.geocities.com, www.aol.com) Just a thought. Since Wouter said all remaining problems with website and ftp will be solved soon I don't see why. netscape/IE/XyzBrwoser all understand ftp://ftp.naks.com/... just like a web adress. Besides: The "usual" manual pdf file ist *much* larger then the space you get for free on geocities. So cheeers for Woutter and all his effort in keeping the naks.com domain a living thing and very good resource for nakamichi Tape decks. K.-H. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ E-Mail: Karl-Heinz Herrmann http://www.fz-juelich.de/icg/icg7/FestFluGre/transport/khh/general.html Sent: 15-Jan-01, 13:20:56 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From targowski at mediaone.net Wed Jan 17 04:26:10 2001 From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 21:26:10 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] TDK Cassette tapes - SA-XS Message-ID: I thought I was pretty upto date with brand name cassettes. Well, I just bought a couple of TDK SA-XS 90 tapes. I have a bunch of SA, SA-X, and have heard of SA-XG, but SA-XS is something new to me. Have any of you heard about this line? How is it different than SA-X. The price per C-90 was 12.90 PZL ($3.25). It says on the box: Super Precision, Anti-Resonance Cassette Mechanism, Heat Resistant. It has regular plastic cassette shell, with nice gold screws (unlike the last batch of TDK MA's I bought, which were screw-less) I still have to try it out on my deck to see how it performs. As an aside, was also surprised to see TDK AD-C90 tapes in the same store. I thought they were long gone. Stan ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Fri Jan 19 19:52:46 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 19:52:46 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] FTP server References: Message-ID: Hi fellows, I want to offer you all the ability too make Acrobat PDF files. (PC version) I own an original copy with serial N°. of Acrobat 4, not hacked, just ISO conform copy. In fragmented WinRar compression. You will just have to download it from a E-mail address when the ftp server will be resolved. Illegal and disgusting isn't it ? Matyas P.S. Hi Karl! How are you ? Were you riding glorious repair to your Nak during new year holidays ? ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Fri Jan 19 21:55:55 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 21:55:55 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] TDK Cassette tapes - SA-XS References: Message-ID: Hi Stan, There in Switzerland the TDK SA-XS are yet available but rare. As long I remember I never see anyone of Naktalk mention them. I find them quite dirty, the coating used for their TRIPLE layer is not of the quality promised. The deck became quickly dirty and does no compares with SA-X in that term. About the sound, it's a slightly fuzzy, a little bit tarnish, in spite of a good treble response. You have understand I don't like them so much. Just buy one and we will know if you agree me. Your batch is certainly an other than mine, that haven't goldlike screws. Perhaps a default in the coating process... Matyas online shop for cassette: http://www.technikdirekt.de/from/germanstatic/default.asp?articleID=530295 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Targowski" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 4:26 AM Subject: [naktalk] TDK Cassette tapes - SA-XS > I thought I was pretty upto date with brand name cassettes. Well, I just > bought a couple of TDK SA-XS 90 tapes. I have a bunch of SA, SA-X, and have > heard of SA-XG, but SA-XS is something new to me. > > Have any of you heard about this line? How is it different than SA-X. The > price per C-90 was 12.90 PZL ($3.25). > > It says on the box: Super Precision, Anti-Resonance Cassette Mechanism, Heat > Resistant. It has regular plastic cassette shell, with nice gold screws > (unlike the last batch of TDK MA's I bought, which were screw-less) > > I still have to try it out on my deck to see how it performs. > > As an aside, was also surprised to see TDK AD-C90 tapes in the same store. I > thought they were long gone. > > Stan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ktrogers at execulink.com Sat Jan 20 02:38:13 2001 From: ktrogers at execulink.com (Kevin Rogers) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 20:38:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 480Z Service Manual References: Message-ID: <002d01c08281$a84414c0$e205efd1@kevinrog> Hi All. I am looking for a copy of the schematic for the Mechanism control board for a Nak 480Z for a tech friend who is having a problem repairing one. Can anyone help? Kevin Rogers > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > E-Mail: Karl-Heinz Herrmann > http://www.fz-juelich.de/icg/icg7/FestFluGre/transport/khh/general.html > Sent: 15-Jan-01, 13:20:56 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Sun Jan 21 23:07:43 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 23:07:43 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Tantalum capacitors Message-ID: Hi, What did you audio freaks think about the sound quality of the tantalum capacitors sound for a replacement of electrolytic coupling cap ? I know the best ones are Polypropylene metallized film one, but for space limitations in a Nak tweaking, tantalum size and reliability seduced me, even if I never seen any praise nor warnings for it in audiophile statements, I was thinking just price stopped its use. So during these holidays I have replaced most of them in the line and PB Dolby stage in my Dragon. Never I have been so deceived by a mod. Integrally the timbres becomes oily ! You loss a lot of low and high frequency, all is slower and your are so upset that.... ... .. . On the other hand they are imperial if you by-pass (//) the DC filtering ones. Good tweaking, Matyas ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Sun Jan 21 22:18:54 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 22:18:54 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Acrobat Message-ID: My offer is serious, but does the interested persons in Acrobat 4 will agree to download 81 Mo from 4 separates mail boxes ? -Are you ready ? I just wonder. Shouldn't be far more simple to continue to send images to the Naktalk members who have Adobe software's (PhotoShop) to optimise the quality, size or the angle of the scans before PDF conversion of their own ? I have found mail provider with 20 Mo of storage capacity. I think to upload 4 of WinRAR files on each boxes. Needed files are 18 in total. 17 of them weight 4.88 Mo I haven't begin to load yet. Any comment are welcome. If any Naktalker want me to make PDF files of their manuals, reviews, advertisement sheets, etc... contact me to define which resolution must have your scans and to know the address to send them. Thank you, Matyas ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Mon Jan 22 18:50:48 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 12:50:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Owners Manual In-Reply-To: <002d01c08281$a84414c0$e205efd1@kevinrog> Message-ID: Hi all. I am looking for an owners manual for a Dragon. I understand that there are some downloadable copies of this manual on the nak site somewhere. I'm not very computer literate, and have been unable to access these. I guess they are FTP or something like that. Thanks for any advice. Also, awaiting the Dragon's return from Stephen Sank's place. It should be here today, and I can't wait. From reading what you guys write about him, I already know it will work better than new. Thanks again to Stephen for repairing it and for such a reasonable price. Hell, and outstanding price. That kind of deal is hard to find these days... Alex Cagann ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Mon Jan 22 19:20:39 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 13:20:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Tantalum capacitors References: Message-ID: <3A6C79F7.753C3E61@concentric.net> Tantalum capacitors are excellent for power supply and bypass applications, but extremely poor for audio. They cause extremely high distortion. When high capacitance in a small space is required *and* there is a DC voltage to block, low ESR elecrolytics are good. These are often designated 'for audio applications'. When there is no DC, non polarized elecrolytics may be used, or a pair of elecrolytics, connected back to back with a high value biasing resistor. -- Ron Matyas wrote: > > Hi, > > What did you audio freaks think about the sound quality of the tantalum > capacitors sound for a replacement of electrolytic coupling cap ? > > I know the best ones are Polypropylene metallized film one, but for space > limitations in a Nak tweaking, > tantalum size and reliability seduced me, even if I never seen any praise > nor > warnings for it in audiophile statements, I was thinking just price stopped > its use. > So during these holidays I have replaced most of them in the line and PB > Dolby stage in my Dragon. > > Never I have been so deceived by a mod. > > Integrally the timbres becomes oily ! > You loss a lot of low and high frequency, all is slower and your are so > upset that.... ... .. . > > On the other hand they are imperial if you by-pass (//) the DC filtering > ones. > > Good tweaking, > Matyas ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 22 21:00:47 2001 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 12:00:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak 480Z Service Manual Message-ID: <20010122200047.2110.qmail@web3103.mail.yahoo.com> Kevin, I recently purchased a 480Z service manual off of eBay. I'd be happy to help you out with what ever you need from it. Send me an email directly p9019 at yahoo.com Scott Johnson --- Kevin Rogers wrote: > Hi All. I am looking for a copy of the schematic for > the Mechanism control > board for a Nak 480Z for a tech friend who is having > a problem repairing > one. Can anyone help? > > Kevin Rogers __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 22 20:58:57 2001 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 11:58:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Owners Manual Message-ID: <20010122195857.1000.qmail@web3101.mail.yahoo.com> Alex, I have a Dragon Owner's manual that would be glad to photocopy and send you. Drop me a line. p9019 at yahoo.com Scott Johnson --- Alex Cagann wrote: > Hi all. I am looking for an owners manual for a > Dragon. I understand that > there are some downloadable copies of this manual on > the nak site somewhere. > I'm not very computer literate, and have been unable > to access these. I > guess they are FTP or something like that. Thanks > for any advice. > > Also, awaiting the Dragon's return from Stephen > Sank's place. It should be > here today, and I can't wait. From reading what you > guys write about him, I > already know it will work better than new. Thanks > again to Stephen for > repairing it and for such a reasonable price. Hell, > and outstanding price. > That kind of deal is hard to find these days... > > Alex Cagann > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Jan 22 22:12:42 2001 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 22:12:42 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Owners Manual References: <20010122195857.1000.qmail@web3101.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3A6CA24A.4D7542B5@xs4all.nl> Alex, You can download the PDF version here: http://www.naks.com/manual/Nak_Dragon_OwnersManual.pdf Wouter Scott Johnson wrote: > Alex, > I have a Dragon Owner's manual that would be glad to > photocopy and send you. Drop me a line. > p9019 at yahoo.com > > Scott Johnson > > --- Alex Cagann wrote: > > Hi all. I am looking for an owners manual for a > > Dragon. I understand that > > there are some downloadable copies of this manual on > > the nak site somewhere. > > I'm not very computer literate, and have been unable > > to access these. I > > guess they are FTP or something like that. Thanks > > for any advice. > > > > Also, awaiting the Dragon's return from Stephen > > Sank's place. It should be > > here today, and I can't wait. From reading what you > > guys write about him, I > > already know it will work better than new. Thanks > > again to Stephen for > > repairing it and for such a reasonable price. Hell, > > and outstanding price. > > That kind of deal is hard to find these days... > > > > Alex Cagann > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Jan 22 22:49:07 2001 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 22:49:07 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] PDF files available Message-ID: <3A6CAAD3.1DD17597@xs4all.nl> Hi Everyone, The FTP server may be switched off but the manuals are still available! I also bought a fine Canon 1220 scanner just before Christmans so was able to do some scanning during the last weeks! So here is a overview of what's available, let me know if there's anything you need and I can make it available for (http) download Wouter ./advertisements: 700zxl.pdf Nak_musichall.pdf Nakamichi_TheSystem_Ad.pdf pc_cat.pdf ./brochures: Dragon_folder.pdf Nak_musichall.pdf nakrx505g.pdf nakrx505h.pdf ./brochures/1000zxl_ltd: 1000ZXL Limited Banner.tif Cover.tif Page FIVE.tif Page FOUR.tif Page One.tif Page SIX.tif Page THREE.tif Page TWO.tif ./manuals/owners/dutch: Cassettedeck1_Manual_Dutch.pdf N480.pdf Nak_bx100_man_dutch.pdf Nak_cr1cr2_man_dutch.pdf gear_update.pdf nr200-2.pdf ./manuals/owners/english: 1000ZXL_OwnersManual.pdf 580_OwnersManual.pdf 582Z_OwnersManual.pdf 670ZX_OwnersManual.pdf 680ZX_Owner.pdf 682ZX_OwnersManual.pdf CR4-CR3_OwnersManual.pdf Highcom_OwnersManual.pdf N480_OwnersManual.pdf N582_OwnersManual.pdf N582_Suplement.pdf Nak_BX300_OwnersManual.pdf Nak_CR1_2_OwnersManual.pdf Nak_CR7_5_OwnersManual.pdf Nak_DR1_2_3_OwnersManual.pdf Nak_Dragon_OwnersManual.pdf Nak_LX5_OwnersManual.pdf TD1200_OwnersManual.pdf TD1200_OwnersManual_Supplement.pdf ./manuals/owners/international: HighComII.pdf NR200_OwnersManual.pdf NakN480_manual.pdf Nak_RX505_OwnersManual_1.pdf Nak_RX505_OwnersManual_2.pdf Nak_RX505_OwnersManual_3.pdf Nak_bx100_manual.pdf Nak_bx125_manual.pdf RX505_manual_komplett.djvu ./manuals/service/english: 680ZX_Service1-19.pdf 680ZX_Service20-29.pdf 680ZX_Service30-33.pdf 680ZX_Service34-39.pdf 680ZX_Service40-End.pdf CR4_Schematics.pdf CR7_Amplifier_Section.pdf N480_1_ServiceManualFinal.pdf N480_2_ServiceManualFinal.pdf N480_3_ServiceManualFinal.pdf N480_4_ServiceManualFinal.pdf N480_5_ServiceManualFinal.pdf N480_6_ServiceManualFinal.pdf N480_7_ServiceManualFinal.pdf N582_10_ServiceManual.pdf N582_1_ServiceManual.pdf N582_2_ServiceManual.pdf N582_3_ServiceManual.pdf N582_4_ServiceManual.pdf N582_5_ServiceManual.pdf N582_6_ServiceManual.pdf N582_7_ServiceManual.pdf N582_8_ServiceManual.pdf N582_9_ServiceManual.pdf NR200_1_ServiceManualFinal.pdf NR200_2_ServiceManualFinal.pdf NR200_3_ServiceManualFinal.pdf NR200_4_ServiceManualFinal.pdf Nak_500_ServiceManual_1.pdf Nak_500_ServiceManual_2.pdf Nak_500_ServiceManual_3.pdf Nak_BX1_ServiceManual_1.pdf Nak_BX1_ServiceManual_2.pdf Nak_BX1_ServiceManual_3.pdf Nak_DS100_DS200_ServiceManual_1.pdf Nak_DS100_DS200_ServiceManual_2.pdf Nak_DS100_DS200_ServiceManual_3.pdf Nak_Dragon_Service_Manual_1.pdf Nak_Dragon_Service_Manual_2.pdf Nak_Dragon_Service_Manual_3.pdf Nak_Dragon_Service_Manual_4.pdf Nak_RX202_ServiceManual_1_final.pdf Nak_RX202_ServiceManual_2_final.pdf Nak_RX202_ServiceManual_3_final.pdf Nak_RX202_ServiceManual_4_final.pdf Nak_RX202_ServiceManual_5_final.pdf README.djvu RX505-Largepages.djvu RX505-service-part1.djvu RX505-service-part2.djvu RX505_manual_komplett.djvu ./reviews/dutch: 480_LuisterReview.pdf BX-1_HvtReview_3-1983.pdf BX-2_HvtReview_4-1983.pdf LX-3_LuisterReview.pdf ZX-7_LuisterReview.pdf ./reviews/english: 1000ZXL_Reviews.pdf 582_Reviews.pdf CR3Review.pdf CR4Review.pdf LX5_StereoReview_4-1982.pdf Nakamichi cr-7a.pdf RX202_HighFidelityReview_2-1984.pdf Revox B710.pdf Tanberg 3014a.pdf zx-7-asreview.pdf ./reviews/german: LX-5-3_AudioReview_8-1982.pdf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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So here is a overview of what's available, let me know if there's anything you need and I can make it available for (http) download Wouter ./advertisements: 700zxl.pdf Nak_musichall.pdf Nakamichi_TheSystem_Ad.pdf pc_cat.pdf ./brochures: Dragon_folder.pdf Nak_musichall.pdf nakrx505g.pdf nakrx505h.pdf ./brochures/1000zxl_ltd: 1000ZXL Limited Banner.tif Cover.tif Page FIVE.tif Page FOUR.tif Page One.tif Page SIX.tif Page THREE.tif Page TWO.tif ./manuals/owners/dutch: Cassettedeck1_Manual_Dutch.pdf N480.pdf Nak_bx100_man_dutch.pdf Nak_cr1cr2_man_dutch.pdf gear_update.pdf nr200-2.pdf ./manuals/owners/english: 1000ZXL_OwnersManual.pdf 580_OwnersManual.pdf 582Z_OwnersManual.pdf 670ZX_OwnersManual.pdf 680ZX_Owner.pdf 682ZX_OwnersManual.pdf CR4-CR3_OwnersManual.pdf Highcom_OwnersManual.pdf N480_OwnersManual.pdf N582_OwnersManual.pdf N582_Suplement.pdf Nak_BX300_OwnersManual.pdf Nak_CR1_2_OwnersManual.pdf Nak_CR7_5_OwnersManual.pdf Nak_DR1_2_3_OwnersManual.pdf Nak_Dragon_OwnersManual.pdf Nak_LX5_OwnersManual.pdf TD1200_OwnersManual.pdf TD1200_OwnersManual_Supplement.pdf ./manuals/owners/international: HighComII.pdf NR200_OwnersManual.pdf NakN480_manual.pdf Nak_RX505_OwnersManual_1.pdf Nak_RX505_OwnersManual_2.pdf Nak_RX505_OwnersManual_3.pdf Nak_bx100_manual.pdf Nak_bx125_manual.pdf RX505_manual_komplett.djvu ./manuals/service/english: 680ZX_Service1-19.pdf 680ZX_Service20-29.pdf 680ZX_Service30-33.pdf 680ZX_Service34-39.pdf 680ZX_Service40-End.pdf CR4_Schematics.pdf CR7_Amplifier_Section.pdf N480_1_ServiceManualFinal.pdf N480_2_ServiceManualFinal.pdf N480_3_ServiceManualFinal.pdf N480_4_ServiceManualFinal.pdf N480_5_ServiceManualFinal.pdf N480_6_ServiceManualFinal.pdf N480_7_ServiceManualFinal.pdf N582_10_ServiceManual.pdf N582_1_ServiceManual.pdf N582_2_ServiceManual.pdf N582_3_ServiceManual.pdf N582_4_ServiceManual.pdf N582_5_ServiceManual.pdf N582_6_ServiceManual.pdf N582_7_ServiceManual.pdf N582_8_ServiceManual.pdf N582_9_ServiceManual.pdf NR200_1_ServiceManualFinal.pdf NR200_2_ServiceManualFinal.pdf NR200_3_ServiceManualFinal.pdf NR200_4_ServiceManualFinal.pdf Nak_500_ServiceManual_1.pdf Nak_500_ServiceManual_2.pdf Nak_500_ServiceManual_3.pdf Nak_BX1_ServiceManual_1.pdf Nak_BX1_ServiceManual_2.pdf Nak_BX1_ServiceManual_3.pdf Nak_DS100_DS200_ServiceManual_1.pdf Nak_DS100_DS200_ServiceManual_2.pdf Nak_DS100_DS200_ServiceManual_3.pdf Nak_Dragon_Service_Manual_1.pdf Nak_Dragon_Service_Manual_2.pdf Nak_Dragon_Service_Manual_3.pdf Nak_Dragon_Service_Manual_4.pdf Nak_RX202_ServiceManual_1_final.pdf Nak_RX202_ServiceManual_2_final.pdf Nak_RX202_ServiceManual_3_final.pdf Nak_RX202_ServiceManual_4_final.pdf Nak_RX202_ServiceManual_5_final.pdf README.djvu RX505-Largepages.djvu RX505-service-part1.djvu RX505-service-part2.djvu RX505_manual_komplett.djvu ./reviews/dutch: 480_LuisterReview.pdf BX-1_HvtReview_3-1983.pdf BX-2_HvtReview_4-1983.pdf LX-3_LuisterReview.pdf ZX-7_LuisterReview.pdf ./reviews/english: 1000ZXL_Reviews.pdf 582_Reviews.pdf CR3Review.pdf CR4Review.pdf LX5_StereoReview_4-1982.pdf Nakamichi cr-7a.pdf RX202_HighFidelityReview_2-1984.pdf Revox B710.pdf Tanberg 3014a.pdf zx-7-asreview.pdf ./reviews/german: LX-5-3_AudioReview_8-1982.pdf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Jan 22 22:26:14 2001 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 22:26:14 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] N600 owners manual Message-ID: <3A6CA576.54841E84@xs4all.nl> Hi All, Anyone has a PDF version of the Nakamichi 600 owners manual for a friend who just bought his first Nak...or is willing to scan this manual? Wouter ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Jan 22 22:39:30 2001 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 22:39:30 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] PDF files available Message-ID: <3A6CA892.FBAF08DB@xs4all.nl> Hi Everyone, The FTP server may be switched off but the manuals are still available! I also bought a fine Canon 1220 scanner just before Christmans so was able to do some scanning during the last weeks! So here is a overview of what's available, let me know if there's anything you need and I can make it available for (http) download Wouter ./advertisements: 700zxl.pdf Nak_musichall.pdf Nakamichi_TheSystem_Ad.pdf pc_cat.pdf ./brochures: Dragon_folder.pdf Nak_musichall.pdf nakrx505g.pdf nakrx505h.pdf ./brochures/1000zxl_ltd: 1000ZXL Limited Banner.tif Cover.tif Page FIVE.tif Page FOUR.tif Page One.tif Page SIX.tif Page THREE.tif Page TWO.tif ./manuals/owners/dutch: Cassettedeck1_Manual_Dutch.pdf N480.pdf Nak_bx100_man_dutch.pdf Nak_cr1cr2_man_dutch.pdf gear_update.pdf nr200-2.pdf ./manuals/owners/english: 1000ZXL_OwnersManual.pdf 580_OwnersManual.pdf 582Z_OwnersManual.pdf 670ZX_OwnersManual.pdf 680ZX_Owner.pdf 682ZX_OwnersManual.pdf CR4-CR3_OwnersManual.pdf Highcom_OwnersManual.pdf N480_OwnersManual.pdf N582_OwnersManual.pdf N582_Suplement.pdf Nak_BX300_OwnersManual.pdf Nak_CR1_2_OwnersManual.pdf Nak_CR7_5_OwnersManual.pdf Nak_DR1_2_3_OwnersManual.pdf Nak_Dragon_OwnersManual.pdf Nak_LX5_OwnersManual.pdf TD1200_OwnersManual.pdf TD1200_OwnersManual_Supplement.pdf ./manuals/owners/international: HighComII.pdf NR200_OwnersManual.pdf NakN480_manual.pdf Nak_RX505_OwnersManual_1.pdf Nak_RX505_OwnersManual_2.pdf Nak_RX505_OwnersManual_3.pdf Nak_bx100_manual.pdf Nak_bx125_manual.pdf RX505_manual_komplett.djvu ./manuals/service/english: 680ZX_Service1-19.pdf 680ZX_Service20-29.pdf 680ZX_Service30-33.pdf 680ZX_Service34-39.pdf 680ZX_Service40-End.pdf CR4_Schematics.pdf CR7_Amplifier_Section.pdf N480_1_ServiceManualFinal.pdf N480_2_ServiceManualFinal.pdf N480_3_ServiceManualFinal.pdf N480_4_ServiceManualFinal.pdf N480_5_ServiceManualFinal.pdf N480_6_ServiceManualFinal.pdf N480_7_ServiceManualFinal.pdf N582_10_ServiceManual.pdf N582_1_ServiceManual.pdf N582_2_ServiceManual.pdf N582_3_ServiceManual.pdf N582_4_ServiceManual.pdf N582_5_ServiceManual.pdf N582_6_ServiceManual.pdf N582_7_ServiceManual.pdf N582_8_ServiceManual.pdf N582_9_ServiceManual.pdf NR200_1_ServiceManualFinal.pdf NR200_2_ServiceManualFinal.pdf NR200_3_ServiceManualFinal.pdf NR200_4_ServiceManualFinal.pdf Nak_500_ServiceManual_1.pdf Nak_500_ServiceManual_2.pdf Nak_500_ServiceManual_3.pdf Nak_BX1_ServiceManual_1.pdf Nak_BX1_ServiceManual_2.pdf Nak_BX1_ServiceManual_3.pdf Nak_DS100_DS200_ServiceManual_1.pdf Nak_DS100_DS200_ServiceManual_2.pdf Nak_DS100_DS200_ServiceManual_3.pdf Nak_Dragon_Service_Manual_1.pdf Nak_Dragon_Service_Manual_2.pdf Nak_Dragon_Service_Manual_3.pdf Nak_Dragon_Service_Manual_4.pdf Nak_RX202_ServiceManual_1_final.pdf Nak_RX202_ServiceManual_2_final.pdf Nak_RX202_ServiceManual_3_final.pdf Nak_RX202_ServiceManual_4_final.pdf Nak_RX202_ServiceManual_5_final.pdf README.djvu RX505-Largepages.djvu RX505-service-part1.djvu RX505-service-part2.djvu RX505_manual_komplett.djvu ./reviews/dutch: 480_LuisterReview.pdf BX-1_HvtReview_3-1983.pdf BX-2_HvtReview_4-1983.pdf LX-3_LuisterReview.pdf ZX-7_LuisterReview.pdf ./reviews/english: 1000ZXL_Reviews.pdf 582_Reviews.pdf CR3Review.pdf CR4Review.pdf LX5_StereoReview_4-1982.pdf Nakamichi cr-7a.pdf RX202_HighFidelityReview_2-1984.pdf Revox B710.pdf Tanberg 3014a.pdf zx-7-asreview.pdf ./reviews/german: LX-5-3_AudioReview_8-1982.pdf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'd really appreciate it, and would be willing to scan my Nak CM300 manual for anyone who would like it. thanks, Marc ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wouter Heijke" To: Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 4:26 PM Subject: [naktalk] N600 owners manual > > Hi All, > > Anyone has a PDF version of the Nakamichi 600 owners manual for a friend > who just bought his first Nak...or is willing to scan this manual? > > Wouter > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From staggsx at pacbell.net Tue Jan 23 02:28:13 2001 From: staggsx at pacbell.net (Bill Staggs) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 17:28:13 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] PDF files available References: <3A6CA892.FBAF08DB@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <3A6CDE2D.804E837C@pacbell.net> thanks for the list. any chance of finding manual/etc. on my nak/ads portable? thanks bill staggs Wouter Heijke wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > The FTP server may be switched off but the manuals are still > available! > I also bought a fine Canon 1220 scanner just before Christmans so was > able to do some scanning during the last weeks! > So here is a overview of what's available, let me know if there's > anything you need and I can make it available for (http) download > > Wouter > > ./advertisements: > 700zxl.pdf > Nak_musichall.pdf > Nakamichi_TheSystem_Ad.pdf > pc_cat.pdf > > ./brochures: > Dragon_folder.pdf > Nak_musichall.pdf > nakrx505g.pdf > nakrx505h.pdf > > ./brochures/1000zxl_ltd: > 1000ZXL Limited Banner.tif > Cover.tif > Page FIVE.tif > Page FOUR.tif > Page One.tif > Page SIX.tif > Page THREE.tif > Page TWO.tif > > ./manuals/owners/dutch: > Cassettedeck1_Manual_Dutch.pdf > N480.pdf > Nak_bx100_man_dutch.pdf > Nak_cr1cr2_man_dutch.pdf > gear_update.pdf > nr200-2.pdf > > ./manuals/owners/english: > 1000ZXL_OwnersManual.pdf > 580_OwnersManual.pdf > 582Z_OwnersManual.pdf > 670ZX_OwnersManual.pdf > 680ZX_Owner.pdf > 682ZX_OwnersManual.pdf > CR4-CR3_OwnersManual.pdf > Highcom_OwnersManual.pdf > N480_OwnersManual.pdf > N582_OwnersManual.pdf > N582_Suplement.pdf > Nak_BX300_OwnersManual.pdf > Nak_CR1_2_OwnersManual.pdf > Nak_CR7_5_OwnersManual.pdf > Nak_DR1_2_3_OwnersManual.pdf > Nak_Dragon_OwnersManual.pdf > Nak_LX5_OwnersManual.pdf > TD1200_OwnersManual.pdf > TD1200_OwnersManual_Supplement.pdf > > ./manuals/owners/international: > HighComII.pdf > NR200_OwnersManual.pdf > NakN480_manual.pdf > Nak_RX505_OwnersManual_1.pdf > Nak_RX505_OwnersManual_2.pdf > Nak_RX505_OwnersManual_3.pdf > Nak_bx100_manual.pdf > Nak_bx125_manual.pdf > RX505_manual_komplett.djvu > > ./manuals/service/english: > 680ZX_Service1-19.pdf > 680ZX_Service20-29.pdf > 680ZX_Service30-33.pdf > 680ZX_Service34-39.pdf > 680ZX_Service40-End.pdf > CR4_Schematics.pdf > CR7_Amplifier_Section.pdf > N480_1_ServiceManualFinal.pdf > N480_2_ServiceManualFinal.pdf > N480_3_ServiceManualFinal.pdf > N480_4_ServiceManualFinal.pdf > N480_5_ServiceManualFinal.pdf > N480_6_ServiceManualFinal.pdf > N480_7_ServiceManualFinal.pdf > N582_10_ServiceManual.pdf > N582_1_ServiceManual.pdf > N582_2_ServiceManual.pdf > N582_3_ServiceManual.pdf > N582_4_ServiceManual.pdf > N582_5_ServiceManual.pdf > N582_6_ServiceManual.pdf > N582_7_ServiceManual.pdf > N582_8_ServiceManual.pdf > N582_9_ServiceManual.pdf > NR200_1_ServiceManualFinal.pdf > NR200_2_ServiceManualFinal.pdf > NR200_3_ServiceManualFinal.pdf > NR200_4_ServiceManualFinal.pdf > Nak_500_ServiceManual_1.pdf > Nak_500_ServiceManual_2.pdf > Nak_500_ServiceManual_3.pdf > Nak_BX1_ServiceManual_1.pdf > Nak_BX1_ServiceManual_2.pdf > Nak_BX1_ServiceManual_3.pdf > Nak_DS100_DS200_ServiceManual_1.pdf > Nak_DS100_DS200_ServiceManual_2.pdf > Nak_DS100_DS200_ServiceManual_3.pdf > Nak_Dragon_Service_Manual_1.pdf > Nak_Dragon_Service_Manual_2.pdf > Nak_Dragon_Service_Manual_3.pdf > Nak_Dragon_Service_Manual_4.pdf > Nak_RX202_ServiceManual_1_final.pdf > Nak_RX202_ServiceManual_2_final.pdf > Nak_RX202_ServiceManual_3_final.pdf > Nak_RX202_ServiceManual_4_final.pdf > Nak_RX202_ServiceManual_5_final.pdf > README.djvu > RX505-Largepages.djvu > RX505-service-part1.djvu > RX505-service-part2.djvu > RX505_manual_komplett.djvu > > > ./reviews/dutch: > 480_LuisterReview.pdf > BX-1_HvtReview_3-1983.pdf > BX-2_HvtReview_4-1983.pdf > LX-3_LuisterReview.pdf > ZX-7_LuisterReview.pdf > > ./reviews/english: > 1000ZXL_Reviews.pdf > 582_Reviews.pdf > CR3Review.pdf > CR4Review.pdf > LX5_StereoReview_4-1982.pdf > Nakamichi cr-7a.pdf > RX202_HighFidelityReview_2-1984.pdf > Revox B710.pdf > Tanberg 3014a.pdf > zx-7-asreview.pdf > > ./reviews/german: > LX-5-3_AudioReview_8-1982.pdf > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Jan 23 05:05:51 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 23:05:51 EST Subject: [naktalk] PDF files available Message-ID: This is cool! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roy.svensson at hdk.gu.se Tue Jan 23 14:12:51 2001 From: roy.svensson at hdk.gu.se (roy.svensson at hdk.gu.se) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 14:12:51 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] PDF files available boundary="------------7FADA925CC191F81E7E756BF" In-Reply-To: <3A6CAAD3.1DD17597@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <200101231313.OAA13473@zebra.naks.com> Dear Wouter Yes,wonderful that´s still possible to have access to this service The manuals I need is: 1000ZXL_OwnersManual.pdf 580_OwnersManual.pdf Thank´s a lot for all your work Roy ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri Jan 26 15:27:31 2001 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 15:27:31 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] email Message-ID: <3A718953.BAED3F70@xs4all.nl> Hi All, There have been some problems with receiving and sending mail the past 2 weeks. I hope all the problems have been fixed and we can enjoy naktalk again! Wouter ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Jan 26 16:05:03 2001 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 17:05:03 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] email References: <3A718953.BAED3F70@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <3A71921F.D9DCB21F@sunint.co.za> Thanks Wouter, You bet!!!! Great to have it back. The cold turkey was tougher than expected Thanks. Marc Hugo Wouter Heijke wrote: > Hi All, > > There have been some problems with receiving and sending mail the past 2 > weeks. > I hope all the problems have been fixed and we can enjoy naktalk again! > > Wouter > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri Jan 26 16:22:13 2001 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 16:22:13 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] email References: <3A718953.BAED3F70@xs4all.nl> <3A71921F.D9DCB21F@sunint.co.za> Message-ID: <3A719625.1397D3CE@xs4all.nl> Yes, it was... I suddenly had to make a firewall since the server is now connected directly to the 'evil' internet... you don't want to know what happens to your server when it is out there on it own... Wouter Marc Hugo wrote: > Thanks Wouter, > > You bet!!!! Great to have it back. The cold turkey was tougher than expected > > Thanks. > > Marc Hugo > > Wouter Heijke wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > There have been some problems with receiving and sending mail the past 2 > > weeks. > > I hope all the problems have been fixed and we can enjoy naktalk again! > > > > Wouter > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From emte at mail.md Fri Jan 26 17:41:09 2001 From: emte at mail.md (marin turea) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 18:41:09 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] gifts Message-ID: <200101261641.f0QGf7o73623@zeus.dnt.md> hi, guys, pretty dry times last weeks. to divert, try this link: http://www.nlc-bnc.ca/oscarpeterson/gallery/gall56e.htm and take a look at old happy Oscar. best to all of you, marin ___________________________________________ Get your free mail box @ http://www.mail.md ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Jan 26 18:04:00 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 12:04:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] email References: <3A718953.BAED3F70@xs4all.nl> <3A71921F.D9DCB21F@sunint.co.za> <3A719625.1397D3CE@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <3A71AE00.957B4FC4@concentric.net> As a general comment to all NakTalkers... Zone Alarm is an excellent personal firewall, free to download. Unlike some other rule-driven firewalls, this one is easy to use and affords excellent protection, especially considering the price :-). Every computer user that frequents the internet should have one installed. To download, go to: http://www.zdnet.com/downloads/partners/zonealarm/download.html BTW, an excellent source of information concerning the perils of connecting to the internet is Steve Gibson's 'Shields Up!' site. It offers security tests that you can run before and after installing Zone Alarm that will demonstrate its effectiveness. The site is located at: https://grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2 -- Ron Wouter Heijke wrote: > > Yes, it was... > > I suddenly had to make a firewall since the server is now connected directly > to the 'evil' internet... you don't want to know what happens to your server > when it is out there on it own... > > Wouter > > Marc Hugo wrote: > > > Thanks Wouter, > > > > You bet!!!! Great to have it back. The cold turkey was tougher than expected > > > > Thanks. > > > > Marc Hugo > > > > Wouter Heijke wrote: > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > There have been some problems with receiving and sending mail the past 2 > > > weeks. > > > I hope all the problems have been fixed and we can enjoy naktalk again! > > > > > > Wouter > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Fri Jan 26 18:37:25 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 12:37:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] gifts References: <200101261641.f0QGf7o73623@zeus.dnt.md> Message-ID: <005f01c087be$a63570b0$a7496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf> Wow, what a machine. ----- Original Message ----- From: "marin turea" To: Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 11:41 AM Subject: [naktalk] gifts > hi, guys, > pretty dry times last weeks. > to divert, try this link: > > http://www.nlc-bnc.ca/oscarpeterson/gallery/gall56e.htm > > and take a look at old happy Oscar. > > best to all of you, > > marin > > ___________________________________________ > Get your free mail box @ http://www.mail.md > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From salimarz at yahoo.com Fri Jan 26 23:33:26 2001 From: salimarz at yahoo.com (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 05:33:26 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 660zx opinion and ftp file access Message-ID: <000801c087e8$02dd64c0$db299bca@aisha> This is the fourth message on same subject hopefully this time it get through ... --- Hi all, I posted this a while ago however I don't see it on the digest ... does anybody know if a 'monitor' switch can be easily added to 660zx's circuitry ? Also, how does 660 compared to the 68x series ? Is it in the same 'league' ? Hello Wouter, how do I read or download 480_LuisterReview.pdf ? If you don't mind, I'd also like to download Nak_BX300_OwnersManual.pdf, Nak_Dragon_OwnersManual.pdf and 670ZX_OwnersManual.pdf. Thanks much in advance. Salim Marzuki ----- Original Message ----- From: Salim Marzuki To: Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2001 4:25 AM Subject: Nak 660zx opinion > > Hi all, > > Cheers and hartelijk bedankt to Wouter for keeping us alive ! Evenings were > indeed boring without 'the daily digest'. Being a digest reader I have no > idea what went wrong with the list and website. Oh no, a short-lived zen, I > thought. Very heartening to see y'all back online ! > > After tempting myself watching ebay Naks (very few willing to ship abroad), > I came across a 660zx locally and almost bought it for cheap when I noticed > there was no monitor switch. How come ? Could that be easly added to the > deck ? I still don't understand the point of having those 3 heads (481 etc) > with no monitoring provision. > > Anybody can share how the 660 compared sonically to 68x series ? Also info > on adding monitor switch will be much appreciated. > > Thanks in advance, > Salim SM > > PS - I managed to get my friend bought a 480 instead of a BX 2 or 150 ... > and honestly I'm also surprised that the difference can still be heard ! 2 > head deck with double capstan and pad lifter ... truly one of a kind. :-) > > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sat Jan 27 00:39:05 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 18:39:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 660zx opinion and ftp file access References: <000801c087e8$02dd64c0$db299bca@aisha> Message-ID: <3A720A99.C24E3995@concentric.net> Salim, In general, there are three attributes required for monitoring: a separate PB head, a separate PB amplifier and a switch (often, with an indicator light). I believe the main difference between the 660ZX and 670ZX is that the former, even though it does have a separate PB head, does not have a separate PB amp. Adding monitoring capability would require the addition of the missing circuitry, plus the switch. While this is not impossible to accomplish, if would require a high level of expertise. Plus, the results may be less than 670 performance. Also, the cost will be easily far higher than the difference between the two models and, at best, you'll end up with a kludge. If monitoring is important to a 660 owner, I would consider replacing it with a 670 or 680. Going by original list price, I would say the 680 was a better machine, but still, in the same 'league'. -- Ron Salim Marzuki wrote: > > This is the fourth message on same subject > > hopefully this time it get through ... > --- > > Hi all, > > I posted this a while ago however I don't see it on the digest ... does > anybody know if a 'monitor' switch can be easily added to 660zx's circuitry > ? Also, how does 660 compared to the 68x series ? Is it in the same > 'league' ? > > Hello Wouter, how do I read or download 480_LuisterReview.pdf ? If you > don't mind, I'd also like to download Nak_BX300_OwnersManual.pdf, > Nak_Dragon_OwnersManual.pdf and 670ZX_OwnersManual.pdf. > > Thanks much in advance. > Salim Marzuki > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Salim Marzuki > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2001 4:25 AM > Subject: Nak 660zx opinion > > > > > Hi all, > > > > Cheers and hartelijk bedankt to Wouter for keeping us alive ! Evenings > were > > indeed boring without 'the daily digest'. Being a digest reader I have no > > idea what went wrong with the list and website. Oh no, a short-lived zen, > I > > thought. Very heartening to see y'all back online ! > > > > After tempting myself watching ebay Naks (very few willing to ship > abroad), > > I came across a 660zx locally and almost bought it for cheap when I > noticed > > there was no monitor switch. How come ? Could that be easly added to the > > deck ? I still don't understand the point of having those 3 heads (481 > etc) > > with no monitoring provision. > > > > Anybody can share how the 660 compared sonically to 68x series ? Also > info > > on adding monitor switch will be much appreciated. > > > > Thanks in advance, > > Salim SM > > > > PS - I managed to get my friend bought a 480 instead of a BX 2 or 150 ... > > and honestly I'm also surprised that the difference can still be heard ! > 2 > > head deck with double capstan and pad lifter ... truly one of a kind. :-) ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Jan 27 18:22:58 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 12:22:58 EST Subject: [naktalk] email Message-ID: <64.ab1add1.27a45df2@aol.com> Great, thanks Wouter! ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mhugo at sunint.co.za Thu Jan 25 14:21:08 2001 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 15:21:08 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Performance reviews Message-ID: <3A702843.3D213C7@sunint.co.za> Dear Wouter, I don't want to burden you unnecessarily....however, I really would like to get some of the reviews listed. I have the CR4, CR7, ReVox 710 and Tandberg 3014. Would you be able to send the 1000ZXL, 582, CR3, LX5, RX 202 and ZX7. If you can't manage that sort of volume, I really would like to read the LX5 review. I am at mhugo at sunint.co.za Many thanks and kind regards, MARC HUGO ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Mon Jan 29 11:55:34 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 12:55:34 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Performance reviews References: <3A702843.3D213C7@sunint.co.za> Message-ID: <002501c089e2$03e7a1e0$0100007f@localhost> Hi Marc, You can simply download those files from ftp.naks.com Simply and easy - I never have any problem with downloading. And I have a question for you - what's your personal opinion about CR-4, CR-7, Revox b710 and Tandberg 3014? Which is the best, what's is advanages of each? Thanks! Misha > I don't want to burden you unnecessarily....however, I really would like > to get some of the reviews listed. I have the CR4, CR7, ReVox 710 and > Tandberg 3014. Would you be able to send the 1000ZXL, 582, CR3, LX5, RX > 202 and ZX7. If you can't manage that sort of volume, I really would > like to read the LX5 review. > > I am at mhugo at sunint.co.za > > Many thanks and kind regards, > > MARC HUGO ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Jan 29 12:05:48 2001 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 12:05:48 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Performance reviews References: <3A702843.3D213C7@sunint.co.za> <002501c089e2$03e7a1e0$0100007f@localhost> Message-ID: <3A754E8C.505075FD@xs4all.nl> Hi, The FTP server is down. Sorry, I'll make the files available in another form sometime this week. Wouter MVM wrote: > Hi Marc, > > You can simply download those files from ftp.naks.com > Simply and easy - I never have any problem with downloading. > > And I have a question for you - what's your personal opinion about > CR-4, CR-7, Revox b710 and Tandberg 3014? Which is the best, > what's is advanages of each? > > Thanks! > Misha > > > I don't want to burden you unnecessarily....however, I really would like > > to get some of the reviews listed. I have the CR4, CR7, ReVox 710 and > > Tandberg 3014. Would you be able to send the 1000ZXL, 582, CR3, LX5, RX > > 202 and ZX7. If you can't manage that sort of volume, I really would > > like to read the LX5 review. > > > > I am at mhugo at sunint.co.za > > > > Many thanks and kind regards, > > > > MARC HUGO > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mhugo at sunint.co.za Tue Jan 30 08:55:51 2001 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 09:55:51 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Performance reviews References: <3A702843.3D213C7@sunint.co.za> <002501c089e2$03e7a1e0$0100007f@localhost> Message-ID: <3A767387.D97C6E12@sunint.co.za> Hi Misha, You guys must be freezing there at this time of year!!! Sorry about the way I worded my note to Wouter...It was a bit misleading. When I said I have the CR4, CR7, Revox etc; I meant I have the reviews....from his FTP site. However, I actually do have a CR4E which I got new in 1992 from Hyperfi in London for UK Sterling 379.00. I have a friend in Pietermaritzburg with a CR7 (very low mileage machine from an old chap who just had to have the best and then hardly ever used it) The CR4E has given me immaculate service since purchasing it. I remember the assistant referring to it as a real Nakamichi. The other one's they had in stock were the Cassette Deck 1, 1.5 and 2. I'm not sure what he meant then. It may have had to do with the country of manufacture or perhaps the looks. The CR range except for CR5 and 7 have functional, square, boxy looks that, compared with the, then new Cassette Deck series, were sort of retro. I personally think those in the trade maybe expected Nakamichi to have 'functional looks' and were quite purturbed by the sleek Cassette Deck One. I know that the Music Bank looks were not to everyone's taste. I have since got a Cassette Deck One, second hand. I never thought about getting one (not one of my automatic favourites)but the opportunity came up and the price was right. Is seems to be showing the sort of problems that Stephen Sank warned about - the constantly running motor (which just happens to be a cruddy one to boot, apparently a Matsushita) runs all the time while the unit is powered up; so it needs work. But I had heard a '1.5' at a shop before - which was very impressive, pure, sweet and clean. So, I know what to expect from mine. Back to the CR4: it's a fully manual unit, 3 motors, three discrete heads. Heavy and well built. With it's own recordings, it has that fantasic Nakamichi stability, with a rich, powerful tonality. Theres a tight, 'togetherness' to the sound. It's difficult to describe. Maybe thats what people call the traditional Nak warmth. Compared with a CR7 (Neil Painter's unit in PMG) it really doesn't give away much. The CR4 control layout is logical and easy to use. Calibration is quick and accurate as usual. I only good tapes on any of my machines and am very gentle and careful with it. It is calibrated for TDK AD, TDK SA-X and TDK MA. Occasionally, I have used TDK AR when I can get them - huge bass!!). I do use Maxell high positions from time to time, with good results. As I said, the CR4 doesn't give away much to the CR7 but I'll say this much: Playback azimuth correction is an immensly powerful device, with profound implications for the CR7 owner. He has an old Yamaha KX800 whose recordings sound a lot better on the Nak than the Nak's recordings do on the Yamaha. Fine tuning azimuth allows you to get the same accuracy that would have been possible on the machine it was recorded on. If it was a hot deck, great, if it was a Nakamichi, better still because they have such wide, flat frequency responses. This guy uses the Nak CR7 to master tapes onto CD and to record vinyl onto tapes for critical listening. He uses mainly TDK MA. I believe my CR4 is very close to his CR7 when playing back tapes that were recorded on it. But, unfortunately, the CR7 has more than an edge with it's playback ability. The trebles are dazzling...very extended and clean (no splashiness) and the imaging is spot on - it never wanders once the azimuth locks on. I would say (this is subjective- I have no instruments to measure with, just my ears on monitoring the PB against the recording) that the CR7 has quieter electronics. The CR7 is real brute of a machine - it really leaves nothing to be desired. I have both a Sony Minidisc MDSJ930 and a Phillips DCC600 both for interest sake. Comparing with them, well minidisc is as cute as a button. I use my Dell keybopard to key in the titles which is easy and fun. But, like any digital playback set up, it's only real claim to fame in quiet back grounds. It can't seriously hold its own against non-compressed formats of any sort. Sony never intended (back in 1992 or so) for it to be anything but a replacement for cassette personals and the motorcar cassette system - where vibration and/or battery consumption were concerns. It snaps off anything above 18000hz altogether. And I guarantee you can hear above that. It's bass is clean enough but not nearly as low or extended as even a two head Nakamichi. Dynamic range is 70dB, which just shows the market for which the format was originally conceived. DCC is better than minidisc by a fair margin but still not as good either as my CR4 or Neil Painters CR7. The problem with these compressed formats is really an inescapable achilles heel of reduction formats in general. Quality is compromised when you throw bits in the bin, so to speak. However clever the pseudoacoustic principles profess to be, a critical ear such as yours, Misha, is not very easy to fool. PASC is better than ATRAC because fewer bits are disposed of, although both are pretty ingeneous concepts. The new ATRAC (5.1) is not better to my mind than the old (4.5). I think they just needed something to revive their marketing campaign. I heard both and there's nothing in it. Also, in both formats(DCC and Minidisc), whenever the mix thickens, the full orchestra gets going or whatever, the detail 'vagues out', the resolution softens. Misha, unfortunately, I don't own a Tandberg or a Revox. Carlos Guzman also receives Naktalk and is something of a Nak collector. I recall, either in our group discussions or on the message board he mentioned the robust build of, I think a ReVox 215. Certainly, he will be able to give you first hand opinions on comparative experiences with the above machines. It seems he is in the recording industry. Carlos...you out there?? Best wishes to you all. MARC MVM wrote: > Hi Marc, > > You can simply download those files from ftp.naks.com > Simply and easy - I never have any problem with downloading. > > And I have a question for you - what's your personal opinion about > CR-4, CR-7, Revox b710 and Tandberg 3014? Which is the best, > what's is advanages of each? > > Thanks! > Misha > > > I don't want to burden you unnecessarily....however, I really would like > > to get some of the reviews listed. I have the CR4, CR7, ReVox 710 and > > Tandberg 3014. Would you be able to send the 1000ZXL, 582, CR3, LX5, RX > > 202 and ZX7. If you can't manage that sort of volume, I really would > > like to read the LX5 review. > > > > I am at mhugo at sunint.co.za > > > > Many thanks and kind regards, > > > > MARC HUGO > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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The other problem is the autoreverse on the tape deck which won't play in one direction or fast forward in that direction. Apart from these problems, everything else is working great. If any one can help or put me in touch with someone that can (I'm in JHB in South Africa), it would be much appreciated. This being my first intro to Nakamichi, I'm now on the look out for a decent deck for the house. Anthony ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From stephen_sank at rjknet.net Wed Jan 31 17:02:31 2001 From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 09:02:31 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Mobile Cassette Repairs in South Africa References: Message-ID: <031701c08b9f$380fe2c0$7393bccf@sank1> It has been a while since I last worked on a TD-1200, but going by memory, I'd say the likeliest cause of the whining noise is a burnt or broken ground circuit foil trace on the main unit's main board(which could be anywhere on the board). This is supported by the grounding of the tuner/Dolby box reducing the noise. As for the no motion in one direction problem, I'd guess that there is some problem with the motion of the drive gear arm that swings from one reel table to the other. Reel drive failure is the only explanation I can think of for both play & fast wind to be effected. No exact cause comes to mind at the moment. If you need it, I can dig up my service manual for it & scan & email the needed pages. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 5:41 AM Subject: [naktalk] Mobile Cassette Repairs in South Africa > Just had the good fortune of getting my hands on an old discarded Nakamichi > TD-1200 Car Cassette/Tuner. > > The overall condition is good and it came with it's amp and a set of > instruction manuals. > > I have just two problems with it that maybe someone can help me with. > The tuner section has a bit of feedback coming from somewhere which is > decreased when the additional box of electrics is grounded. (it tells you > not to do this in the instruction manual). The tone varies when the tuner > search button is pressed or any of the preselect buttons are pressed. > The other problem is the autoreverse on the tape deck which won't play in > one direction or fast forward in that direction. > Apart from these problems, everything else is working great. > > If any one can help or put me in touch with someone that can (I'm in JHB in > South Africa), it would be much appreciated. > > This being my first intro to Nakamichi, I'm now on the look out for a > decent deck for the house. > > Anthony > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2001\2001-10.txt ************************************************************************ From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Oct 1 01:03:39 2001 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 09:03:39 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth Record Adjustment - ZX-9 Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365A5C@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Graham, I've read what Maytas wrote - absolutely correct! I too own a ZX-9 and face the same dilemmas that you are suffering. I don't worry too much about the constant adjusting when recording because I know that the ZX-9 will make killer recordings, and in the end that's what I aim for. Regards Tom Siomopoulos -----Original Message----- From: Graham Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, 29 September 2001 8:59 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth Record Adjustment - ZX-9 Guys Some advice is sought: I find that I must adjust each side of a cassette (in most cases TDK SA) differently to get the red light, altho' all the other settings are fine once they are set for Side A. This seems consistent between at least three different types of tape - TDK SA, BASF Chrome Super II and Sony (I forget which but it's a Chrome type with a very low profile shell.) This seems odd or is it strange just because this is unfamiliar to me?) Graham PS To amuse you ... I've just set up my second hi fi system around the Eico ST70 amp. This includes a Nak BX-1. Upon pressing play on the cassette deck I found there was a nasty low level hum coming from the Right channel. I checked the cables. Nothing. Still humming. I changed the cable. Still humming. I swapped the device. No hum. Uh oh! I thought. It's the Nak that's got a problem ... However, some of you may recall that my BX-1 came from one of our most our generous brothers, Stephen. and is a 110VA model. In the UK we have 240VA. So, I am using an outboard transformer .... You guessed it? I just moved the transformer 2" and the hum stopped!!! ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Mon Oct 1 04:59:02 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 22:59:02 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] DVDs??? References: Message-ID: <3BB7DBF6.9665BC8F@yahoo.com> My fellow Nakholes Odd as it may seem I am being hounded by my wife for a DVD player. Usually I'm the one trying to bring new equipment into the house. She believes that a VHS armageddon is about to occur at the local blockbuster and we must all equip ourselves with the new DVDs or suffer consequences of biblical proportions. I have seen several of the mass market units going for as low as 99 bucks. My question is simply, how good are these cheaper units? Is it worth spending 300 on a more expensive one? Do they all sound and image the same? How about reliability? My wife loves blow'em up action flicks with hunk like stars who can't act. I hate 99% of all the movies I see so I couldn't care less for DVD myself but must now select one of those gadgets. Help! Javier PS: How about recordable DVD? Does it exist? _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Mon Oct 1 05:11:18 2001 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 23:11:18 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] DVDs??? Message-ID: <20010930.231716.-267369.1.josephj69@juno.com> Javier, I bought $99 Apex digital model for no other reason than the fact that it can easily be modified to play all code, and you can shut Macrovision off so you can copy DVDs onto VHS tape without problem. To be honest, the Apex is a piece of junk. It's certainly functional, but I'm sure it's far from the state of the art in video quality. I can't comment on audio because it's hooked up to a mono TV. I'm not a videophile at all (I use EP speed almost exclusively) and I have no interest in multichannel nonsense (in fact, I even hate stereo when I'm trying to watch TV!). So I'm not the guy to ask about that stuff. If you decide to go with the Apex, get the one they sell at Wal-Mart (model 500W, I think). The AD-1500 they sell everywhere else is not as good. - Joe On Sun, 30 Sep 2001 22:59:02 -0400 Javier Perez writes: > > My fellow Nakholes > Odd as it may seem I am being hounded by my wife > for a DVD player. Usually I'm the one trying to bring new equipment > into > the house. She believes that a VHS armageddon > is about to occur at the local blockbuster and we must > all equip ourselves with the new DVDs or suffer consequences > of biblical proportions. I have seen several of the mass > market units going for as low as 99 bucks. My question > is simply, how good are these cheaper units? Is it worth spending > 300 on a more expensive one? Do they all sound and image the same? > How about reliability? My wife loves blow'em up action flicks > with hunk like stars who can't act. I hate 99% of all the movies I > see > so I couldn't care less for DVD myself but must now select one of > those gadgets. Help! > Javier > > PS: How about recordable DVD? Does it exist? > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Mon Oct 1 06:24:52 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 00:24:52 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] DVDs??? References: <20010930.231716.-267369.1.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <3BB7F014.735E7B1@yahoo.com> Thanks alot Joe I saw an Apex for 99 bucks I hope it's the one your talking about. See Ya Javier josephj69 at juno.com wrote: > > Javier, > > I bought $99 Apex digital model for no other reason than the fact that it > can easily be modified to play all code, and you can shut Macrovision off > so you can copy DVDs onto VHS tape without problem. > > To be honest, the Apex is a piece of junk. It's certainly functional, > but I'm sure it's far from the state of the art in video quality. I > can't comment on audio because it's hooked up to a mono TV. > > I'm not a videophile at all (I use EP speed almost exclusively) and I > have no interest in multichannel nonsense (in fact, I even hate stereo > when I'm trying to watch TV!). So I'm not the guy to ask about that > stuff. > > If you decide to go with the Apex, get the one they sell at Wal-Mart > (model 500W, I think). The AD-1500 they sell everywhere else is not as > good. > > - Joe > > On Sun, 30 Sep 2001 22:59:02 -0400 Javier Perez > writes: > > > > My fellow Nakholes > > Odd as it may seem I am being hounded by my wife > > for a DVD player. Usually I'm the one trying to bring new equipment > > into > > the house. She believes that a VHS armageddon > > is about to occur at the local blockbuster and we must > > all equip ourselves with the new DVDs or suffer consequences > > of biblical proportions. I have seen several of the mass > > market units going for as low as 99 bucks. My question > > is simply, how good are these cheaper units? Is it worth spending > > 300 on a more expensive one? Do they all sound and image the same? > > How about reliability? My wife loves blow'em up action flicks > > with hunk like stars who can't act. I hate 99% of all the movies I > > see > > so I couldn't care less for DVD myself but must now select one of > > those gadgets. Help! > > Javier > > > > PS: How about recordable DVD? Does it exist? > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -========= > > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From rob755 at cwnet.com Mon Oct 1 06:58:31 2001 From: rob755 at cwnet.com (Rob Hamilton) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 21:58:31 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] High quality cables Message-ID: <200110010457.f914vBZ43865@opium.cwnet.com> A while back I spent a pretty serious chunk of change on higher end speaker cables, interconnects & power cords. The interconnects are Harmonic Technologies Pro-Silway II's. The spkr. cables are Analyisis Plus Oval 9's. The power cords are Harmonic Technologies (on amp & pre-amp). I was apprehensive, as I never considered spending this kind of money on cables (though I did get a very good buy on them). And now NO ONE can tell me that quality connects don't make a difference!! I changed everything over at once... so don't know which pcs. made the largest improvement, but the system improved dramatically. Happy listening! p.s. Old interconnects were entry level Monster & fat copper Monster on spkrs. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Mon Oct 1 07:46:00 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 11:16:00 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Second that Emotion on Stephen's Moscode! Message-ID: <014301c14a3c$5ab83780$42d60192@vsnl> Few things about Moscode rebuild I thought would ask - Do you have number of Moscodes ( 300 ) available with you for anybody wanting it or potential customer should have it for you to modify the same ( one has to source a second hand moscode for you to modify)? And the cost indicated is for only modifying an existing moscode? Other than costs - I suspect the basic Amp itself should be based on sound design and compnent qualities as well as good drive capabilities - Stephen what is your openion on basic moscode amps themselves? Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Sank To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Sunday, September 30, 2001 6:14 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Second that Emotion on Stephen's Moscode! >My rebuilt Moscode 300's run $1300-1600 or so, depending on how much you >want the last few percentage points of potential sonic benefit. And, yes, I >agree. The Krell preamp will definitely benefit from having tube following >it. > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://stephensank.com >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer >- ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Oct 1 08:43:25 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 00:43:25 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Second that Emotion on Stephen's Moscode! References: <014301c14a3c$5ab83780$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: <094501c14a44$5f71a740$493442cf@sank1> The price range I quoted is including the stock amp, assuming I have one to modify, which I currently do(have one 300 & one 600). So, one would subtract about $450 if one has a stock 300 already. The stock Moscode amps are quite good, but not in any way spectacular. About as good as a stock PA-7AII. A little more veiled sound, but with more 3 dimensionality. Usually had very noisy resistors in the tube stages, so most are fairly noisy in stock form. Pretty darn quite after mods. In regard to Ed's question about how cool the amps run: Because the fundamental circuit design is excellent, the MOSFET's don't need to be high-biased to sound good. But, if it ain't getting good & hot after playing loud for a while, you ain't playin' it loud enough! Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kannan. S" To: Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 11:46 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Second that Emotion on Stephen's Moscode! > Few things about Moscode rebuild I thought would ask - Do you have number of > Moscodes ( 300 ) available with you for anybody wanting it or potential > customer should have it for you to modify the same ( one has to source a > second hand moscode for you to modify)? And the cost indicated is for only > modifying an existing moscode? > > Other than costs - I suspect the basic Amp itself should be based on sound > design and compnent qualities as well as good drive capabilities - > Stephen > what is your openion on basic moscode amps themselves? > Kannan > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Sunday, September 30, 2001 6:14 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Second that Emotion on Stephen's Moscode! > > > >My rebuilt Moscode 300's run $1300-1600 or so, depending on how much you > >want the last few percentage points of potential sonic benefit. And, yes, > I > >agree. The Krell preamp will definitely benefit from having tube following > >it. > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > >http://stephensank.com > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > >- > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From j.soulantikas at hccnet.nl Mon Oct 1 10:03:25 2001 From: j.soulantikas at hccnet.nl (J. Soulantikas) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 10:03:25 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] For Norman References: <000001c1493d$b686ba00$38b4193e@a4s1s2> <001401c149ac$c51254c0$f58955c3@amd> Message-ID: <003b01c14a4f$ac7e1360$3036fb3e@soulantikas> Yes. I phoned Transtec in Rotterdam today, Ton (or Tom?) van der Hoff still works there and he is really very good. Only he gets a bit annoyed when one says that a certain cassette deck sounds better, or warmer or .... than another. He finds these statements nonsensical. His point of view is that the sole function of a cassette deck is to reproduce exactly the quality of the original source. Thus if a deck adds acoustic qualities to the recording, or to the play-back, which were not present in the source sound, then there is something wrong with the deck. Any way he has done an excellent job with my 582, CR-4. BX 300, and BX-2. To contact Transtec: Brugwachter 19 3034 KD Rotterdam Netherlands Tel: (0)10 - 4147055 Fax; (0)10 - 4113580 E-mail: transtec at transtec.nl Website: www.transtec.nl Jannis ----- Original Message ----- From: Norman van Wijnen To: Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 2:38 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] For Norman > Hello Graham, > > No not really, is he working for Transtec ? > > Norman > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Graham Nelson > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 1:23 AM > Subject: [naktalk] For Norman > > > > Norman > > > > Have you heard of Tom van der Hoff, allegedly a Nak engineer in Holland? > > > > Graham > > > > - > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Mon Oct 1 10:51:32 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 04:51:32 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] How about a bit of fun? References: <001201c1490e$6e8ba5a0$ccf0193e@a4s1s2> <00c301c1496e$5166b400$2def3fd0@oemcomputer> <3BB71F42.E169546D@concentric.net> Message-ID: <006201c14a56$44f786c0$73ec3fd0@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 9:33 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] How about a bit of fun? > Warren wrote: > > > > My favorite is reading patents on cables they are some of the > > best fiction ever written. > > > > But in regard to the cardas record it doesn't work that well > > but degaussing moving coil cartridges can give you an increase > > in sound quality. > > I always thought this was another hoax. Have you > actually tried it? I would be leery of degaussing > a phono cartridge. It contains a magnet and > 'degaussing' is the same as 'demagnetizing'. > Staying away from the cables Yes, using something like the asthetix demagnitizer works.But only on *moving coil* cartridges it takes out residual magnetism in the coils similar to degausing a tapehead. You can test this one too, with a good tape deck, tape the cart before you degauss and then after. In theory you could do the same to a moving magnet cart if you remove the stylus (and hence the magnet) first Don't think I'd try it though. Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Hence my sceptisism in the guy who says he can't tell the difference between his $250 yamaha cd player and the $4000 krell. hang i made the decision on which cd player to buy based on differences in sound and so does everyone else. what people are really saying is that some of these tweeks , components are over priced.....but that is a different story. its like fine wine my other passion, people always tell me that i am crazy to drink this fancy french stuff at $$$ and that a $6 bottle is just as good but when i give them a sip of what i'm having they soon change their tune. that doesn't mean they are going to be buying lafite as their daily drinking wine any time soon. sometimes people who spend the fortune on wine and hi-fi are foolish but if you are wealthy enough and it gives you pleasure then go ahead. cheers, skol, prost neal -----Original Message----- From: Graham Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: 30 September 2001 23:55 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] How about a bit of fun? Stephen said: "Here is a great argument FOR high grade interconnects: Amplifier: Spectral DMA-200 Client: Blind. I mean actually blind. Client was not quite happy with his amp, as he said it took an hour or so for the "bass balance to be right" & he thought it could be better in general. I said, "Let me go do one little thing to it". I came back to his house the next day with the amp. Connected it, turned it on, right away played a CD of the client's. Client says within a minute, "Holy shit!", then describes how the bass problem is cured, plus how the soundstage had opened up like he had never heard before. He asked me what I had done to it. I had replaced 4 inches of interconnect cable on each channel. The cable between the input jack board & the amp boards. The original was some very respectable looking twisted pair shielded cable. I had replaced it with the silver-clad, high purity copper, shielded LAT IC-200 interconnect. 4 inches per channel. Exactly the same results I had achieved a week or two earlier on a friend's Spectral DMA-90 with about 8 inches of wire per channel." Whilst I am sure there will be the snake oil salesmen selling ordinary bits of cable for mega bucks, I am equally sure that some interconnects do offer different sonic - and audible - differences. Indeed, some please my ear better than others. Sure, I accept that listening tests that are not blind can induce a listener to hear what is not there. However, I am sure we have all experienced at some point dissatisfaction with a piece of kit or the sound that one gets from a it after months of listening only to change something quite small - like a cable - and then found that what was previously unpleasant has become delightful. Equally, the reverse may be true! We change something and, after prolonged listening, we know the sound does not satisfy us as it once did. For example, listening to my Sony tuner using RadioShack patch chords (the black ones with gold plated plugs) was pleasant enough but, after a year or so listening with them, I found it lacked .... something! It was as if there was a thin veil laid over the speakers. I swapped the cable for DNM Reson and listened .... Over the next few days, radio became a pleasure because the veil was gone. Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above and may contain information that is confidential and privileged, proprietary to the company and protected by law. 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S) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 17:22:14 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] floating biwiring Message-ID: <006801c14a6f$8433d820$42d60192@vsnl> Ron IM distortion is one of very important factor for quality of an amplifier sound much more than noise or harmonic distortion and I am drawn in to this discussion. I also thank Ron for 100% of the replies with patience to whatever had been directed at him. And no doubt Ron is also responsible for such a decent discussion in our forum. For Graham and others who find this IM distortion going above their head - Intermodulation distortion is the distortion of one frequency by another frequency when ( which is not a fundamental -i.e. you cannot divide one frquency by whole number) both are amplified together. The test is to mix two sine wave frequencies and pass the mixed frequencies through the amplifier and measuring the distortion. Nak cassette decks possess one of the wonderful results for IM distortion test figures at 0dB level I felt somehow IM distortion can take place if power supply is not stiff as Low frequency demand on power can cause sagging line voltage and in turn would cause modulation of amplitude of all the frequencies. And how nonlinearity of active components can allow one frequency to modulate another frequency - somehow I am not able to understand. Nonlinearity ( of active compnenets) would affect frequencies directly without the presence of another frequency? - when amplification is beyond normal linear portion of curves. Here a property that would place a connection between two frquencies is a must to cause IM diostortion. Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Ron To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Sunday, September 30, 2001 8:40 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] floating biwiring >> The BIG point is that a power amp's IM distortion is HUGELY a factor of >> power supply modulation. So, an amp that is loaded on only upper or lower >> range, will have enormously less IM distortion than if it was loaded full >> range. > >Not so. IM distortion is caused by nonlinear >transfer function of active devices. Linearity of >the high current portion of the device characteristic >could be worse than at lower current, but not >necessarily -- in many cases, it's actually better. >This depends on the devices chosen and the design itself. > >In any case, linearity of the very low current portion >is far worse than the high current portion (which is >why class AB amps inherently have lower distortion that >class B amps) -- just look at a transistor curve. I'd >say that on the average, IM distortion of unloaded amps >is more or less the same as the loaded value. > >All this applies to the output stage only. IM >distortion in the rest of the amp is not affected >by loading at all. > >The problem with false bi-amping is that all IM >distortion products of the treble amp fall inside >the passband of the following passive xover, >resulting in their audibility. Thus, false bi-amping >may, at best, reduce them slightly, but true bi-amping >all but eliminates them. > > >Our opposing views are respectively shared by two armies, >at bitter verbal war with each other. It's good to be able >to converse in this civilized environment, where each can >express opinions without the ubiquitous ad hominem attacks >encountered so often on the NGs and chat rooms. I can >disagree with your views but still respect you and I hope >you feel the same. > >Regards, > >-- Ron > > >> >> Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >> Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >> http://stephensank.com >> 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >> 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >> mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >> https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ron" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2001 1:27 PM >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] floating biwiring >> >> > Stephen Sank wrote: >> > > >> > > In passive biamping, there is no current demanded from the top end amp >> for >> > > bass, and vice versa on the bass amp. So, ALL the power of the bass amp >> is >> > > available for the bass, and all of the power of the top end amp is >> available >> > > for the top end amp. Furthermore, the bass amp will not have power >> supply >> > > modulation interference from the top end, and the top end will have no >> power >> > > supply modulation interference from the bottom end. So, BOTH amps will >> > > sound better & hence, both speaker sections will sound better. >> > > I really don't know how you can deny any of this, Ron. >> > >> > Very easily, Stephen. Your argument assumes amps are >> > constant power sources, which is not the case. Power amps >> > are constant voltage sources. This means that, with constant >> > input, power delivered is a function of the load resistance, >> > while the output voltage remains essentially constant, >> > regardless of power delivered. >> > >> > Maximum power available from any constant voltage source >> > (including power amps) depends on the available maximum >> > voltage, *not* on the current it is delivering (let's >> > ignore output current capability issues for this >> > discussion). >> > >> > For example: say an amp rated at 50W into 8 ohms is driven >> > to just below clipping with a bass signal. The voltage at >> > the output will be SQR(8*50)=20V, regardless of whether >> > the output is loaded with 8 ohms (output power: 50W) or >> > open (output power: zero). Now, add to the input drive a >> > treble signal. The amplifier will clip, even though it is >> > delivering zero power. >> > >> > This is your exact false bi-amping situation. For the >> > treble amp: even though you are not drawing bass power, >> > the bass waveform is present at the output and limits >> > the treble voltage swing -- hence, the treble power >> > output. It is possible for the treble amp to clip badly >> > during a bass peak, even when treble power requirements >> > are all but nil. >> > >> > In general, false bi-amping with two 100W amps will >> > provide total system power of 100W (not 200W). >> > >> > > As far as cables, I can't count the number of times that the more >> expensive >> > > cable has LOST in non-blind testing. And I can't count even one time >> where >> > > common OFC cable of way more than adequate awg has won over anything >> with >> > > the tiniest bit of engineering/materials finesse in it. >> > >> > Well, would you please explain how the high-end cable >> > differs from the generic one in a way that makes it sound >> > better? What are it's electrical characteristics vs. the >> > generic cable? >> > >> > And what is the Engineering/materials finesse in high-end >> > cables (except for thickness of insulation, fancy packaging >> > and cost)? >> > >> > FYI, a couple of years ago, a dealer made a bet with some >> > non-believer readers of an audio NG. He claimed he could >> > easily identify his brand of super expensive cable vs. a >> > generic cable. He lost miserably, then claimed the testing >> > was invalid ... Yea, right! This was well publicized at the >> > time. >> > >> > I personally conducted a blind listening test of a >> > moderately priced cable ($200) vs. a piece of 12AWG cable >> > (about 5 bucks), on an A-B-X basis. Nobody (6 people) could >> > make statistically valid guesses. >> > >> > Finally: I made only one recommendation, that the buyer >> > run his own BLIND (!!!) listening tests, before shelling >> > out the ridiculous price of esoteric speaker cables. I >> > still think that's an excellent idea. >> > >> > -- Ron >> > >> > >> > > >> > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >> > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >> > > http://stephensank.com >> > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >> > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >> > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >> > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >> > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >> > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer >> > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > From: "Ron" >> > > To: >> > > Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2001 8:05 AM >> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] floating biwiring >> > > >> > > > Stephen Sank wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > > [...] >> > > > > And I would like to reiterate that I consider passive biamping every >> bit >> > > > > as valid & every bit as potentially beneficial as active biamping. >> > > > >> > > > Well, here we go again... >> > > > >> > > > As so often happens in this hobby of ours, we have >> > > > a 180 degrees opposite views: Stephen feels false >> > > > bi-amping is 'every bit as potentially beneficial' >> > > > while I (just as positively) state that it offers >> > > > absolutely no benefit whatsoever. Zero! Zilch! None! >> > > > >> > > > I could go on to technically explain my statement. >> > > > Problem is, if the reader is technically equipped to >> > > > follow the Physics involved, he/she probably doesn't >> > > > need the explanation in the first place. OTOH, lacking >> > > > such knowledge, the reader won't understand the >> > > > explanation... >> > > > >> > > > Alternatively, one could argue that the proof of the >> > > > pudding is in the eating; thus, a listening test is >> > > > in order. Problem here is that people in the know >> > > > never thought this is an issue (false bi-amping is >> > > > only incorporated as an add on -- never in any off >> > > > the shelf product) and I know of no published test >> > > > conducted to resolve the issue. It would be a bit >> > > > like going into the lab to prove that 2 + 2 = 4... >> > > > (BTW, setting up such a *valid* test would be quite >> > > > difficult). >> > > > >> > > > So, the bottom line is (same as with many other such >> > > > arguments related to high end audio): the reader is >> > > > forced to choose between diametrically opposed >> > > > opinions (the Engineering vs. the esoteric), albeit >> > > > while lacking the necessary tools. >> > > > >> > > > The good news is that using a single high power, >> > > > high quality amp provides most (though not all) the >> > > > advantages of true biamping -- the large reserve of >> > > > power is already there, IM distortion is already very >> > > > low and the DF factor is high enough to compensate >> > > > -- at least, partially -- for the passive xover >> > > > resistance. >> > > > >> > > > The even better news is that, if you do decide to invest >> > > > the expense and effort in false bi-amping (and provided >> > > > you do it right), it won't do any good, but it won't do >> > > > any harm, either. >> > > > >> > > > > And I further want to add that I absolutely do NOT think any good >> > > > > speaker will sound it's best with "ordinary OFC copper cables of >> > > adequate >> > > > > gauge", as Ron would have you believe. >> > > > >> > > > Well, this is a horse of a different color, because >> > > > different cables can have different electrical >> > > > characteristics. >> > > > >> > > > If you believe in Physics (as opposed to magic), then any >> > > > two speaker cables that have identical electrical >> > > > characteristics (for speaker cables, there are only >> > > > three such characteristics) will sound absolutely >> > > > identical (with the same speaker/amp combination, of >> > > > course). >> > > > >> > > > Ideally, values of all these characteristics should be >> > > > zero. It is the going wisdom, though, that when they >> > > > are low enough (say, less than 1/100 of the speaker's), >> > > > their effect is negligible enough to be inaudible. Quite >> > > > a few documented listening tests have proved this to be >> > > > correct. I know of *no* test that proved the reverse. >> > > > >> > > > However, who is to say what someone else can hear? The >> > > > question facing the reader then, is, can he (or she) >> > > > hear that difference? More to the point, even assuming he >> > > > has the proverbial 6 million dollar ears (does anyone?) >> > > > can he hear it in *his* listening room, with *his* >> > > > speakers? The speakers and room effects *far* outweigh >> > > > (by *many* orders of magnitude) the effects of speaker >> > > > cables. >> > > > >> > > > I humbly submit to the original poster that with your >> > > > NHTs and unless you have an acoustically treated >> > > > listening room, there is no way on earth you will >> > > > hear the difference between regular OFC cables >> > > > (provided they meet the condition stated above) and >> > > > a $3000 monster of a cable. I am not so sure the same >> > > > is true for owners of top of the line Dunlavy or B&W >> > > > (or even Wilson) speakers that have an acoustically >> > > > treated hall, though it could be true even for them. >> > > > >> > > > Again, since you asked, I must assume you do not know >> > > > and are hanging between two opposing answers. I would >> > > > highly recommend that you obtain your esoteric cable >> > > > and a length of *correct gauge* OFC cable where both >> > > > can be returned, then run an extended and *careful* >> > > > listening test (if at all possible, blind. Sighted >> > > > tests provide notoriously incorrect results -- almost >> > > > always favouring the more expensive component). >> > > > >> > > > Good luck, >> > > > >> > > > -- Ron >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >> > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >> > > > > http://stephensank.com >> > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >> > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >> > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >> > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >> > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >> > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer >> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > > > From: >> > > > > To: >> > > > > Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 10:23 AM >> > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] floating biwiring >> > > > > >> > > > > > In a message dated 9/28/01 1:50:53 AM Pacific Daylight Time, >> > > > > bk11 at thuntek.net >> > > > > > writes: >> > > > > > >> > > > > > << The NHT's are not set up for active biamping, just for biwiring >> or >> > > > > passive >> > > > > > biamping. There are very few stock, commercially available >> speakers >> > > are >> > > > > set >> > > > > > up for active biamping, which requires either an external, >> detachable >> > > > > > passive crossover unit, as with the Apogee Divas, or some method >> of >> > > > > > bypassing the internal crossovers. >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Thank you! In your expert opinion, would I be better served in >> terms >> > > of >> > > > > > sound quality by passive bi-amping these speakers with two smaller >> > > power >> > > > > > amps, or by single-amping them with a larger, higher current one? >> For >> > > > > > obvious reasons, this is kind of difficult to A/B test in advance. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > I investigated passive/active biamping and biwiring on the net, >> and >> > > there >> > > > > are >> > > > > > a number of informative, well-written articles on the subject. >> Seems >> > > like >> > > > > > there are as many opinions out there as there are methods. One >> expert >> > > was >> > > > > > fairly dubious of passive biamping, and considered it not worth >> the >> > > extra >> > > > > > costs in cables and additional amplification. What do you all >> think? >> > > > > Would >> > > > > > I simply be better off single-amping them with a higher power, >> higher >> > > > > current >> > > > > > power amp? >> > > > > > >> > > > > > I welcome anybody's informed opinion and thanks to all in advance >> for >> > > your >> > > > > > help-- >> > >> ========------------------------------------------------------------------== >> ======= >> > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >> resource. >> > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> > >> ========------------------------------------------------------------------== >> ======= >> > >> >> ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Mon Oct 1 14:49:39 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 08:49:39 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Second that Emotion on Stephen's Moscode! References: <014301c14a3c$5ab83780$42d60192@vsnl> <094501c14a44$5f71a740$493442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3BB86662.DACCA03A@snet.net> Stephen Sank wrote: > Because the > fundamental circuit design is excellent, the MOSFET's don't need to be > high-biased to sound good. But, if it ain't getting good & hot after > playing loud for a while, you ain't playin' it loud enough! I think I'd better crank mine up a little more! Ed ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From epatsellis at mcleodusa.net Mon Oct 1 17:42:53 2001 From: epatsellis at mcleodusa.net (erie patsellis) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 08:42:53 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] DVDs??? References: <20010930.231716.-267369.1.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <001101c14a8f$bc2e1540$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> joe, care to elucidate as to the region change and macrovision disable, as I am looking for one for my stepdaughter and I'm sure she won't be getting my Arcam. erie ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 8:11 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] DVDs??? > Javier, > > I bought $99 Apex digital model for no other reason than the fact that it > can easily be modified to play all code, and you can shut Macrovision off > so you can copy DVDs onto VHS tape without problem. > > To be honest, the Apex is a piece of junk. It's certainly functional, > but I'm sure it's far from the state of the art in video quality. I > can't comment on audio because it's hooked up to a mono TV. > > I'm not a videophile at all (I use EP speed almost exclusively) and I > have no interest in multichannel nonsense (in fact, I even hate stereo > when I'm trying to watch TV!). So I'm not the guy to ask about that > stuff. > > If you decide to go with the Apex, get the one they sell at Wal-Mart > (model 500W, I think). The AD-1500 they sell everywhere else is not as > good. > > - Joe > > On Sun, 30 Sep 2001 22:59:02 -0400 Javier Perez > writes: > > > > My fellow Nakholes > > Odd as it may seem I am being hounded by my wife > > for a DVD player. Usually I'm the one trying to bring new equipment > > into > > the house. She believes that a VHS armageddon > > is about to occur at the local blockbuster and we must > > all equip ourselves with the new DVDs or suffer consequences > > of biblical proportions. I have seen several of the mass > > market units going for as low as 99 bucks. My question > > is simply, how good are these cheaper units? Is it worth spending > > 300 on a more expensive one? Do they all sound and image the same? > > How about reliability? My wife loves blow'em up action flicks > > with hunk like stars who can't act. I hate 99% of all the movies I > > see > > so I couldn't care less for DVD myself but must now select one of > > those gadgets. Help! > > Javier > > > > PS: How about recordable DVD? Does it exist? > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -========= > > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Mon Oct 1 16:37:10 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 10:37:10 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] DVDs??? References: <3BB7DBF6.9665BC8F@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3BB87F96.E9F215A7@concentric.net> I never buy the bottom end of anything and certainly wouldn't recommend $99 DVD players. These usually come from fringe manufacturers (Oritron, Apex, etc.). Likewise, I would stay away from Sony and Toshiba (good performance, but reliability sucks. Customer support is even worse). Beware the 90 day warranty -- 1 year parts and labour should be your minimum. OTOH, spending $300 plus for a player that will connect to a small screen mono TV is a waste of money. While players do not image and sound the same, you will not be able to appreciate $1000 player over a $100 unless it's connected in a system of corresponding quality. Consider the lowest cost Pioneer player, at about $180 mail order. It's probably an overkill for someone that doesn't care about picture and audio quality, but is reasonably reliable and will serve well in the event you eventually obtain a better TV and/or an HT sound system. Good luck, -- Ron Javier Perez wrote: > > My fellow Nakholes > Odd as it may seem I am being hounded by my wife > for a DVD player. Usually I'm the one trying to bring new equipment into > the house. She believes that a VHS armageddon > is about to occur at the local blockbuster and we must > all equip ourselves with the new DVDs or suffer consequences > of biblical proportions. I have seen several of the mass > market units going for as low as 99 bucks. My question > is simply, how good are these cheaper units? Is it worth spending > 300 on a more expensive one? Do they all sound and image the same? > How about reliability? My wife loves blow'em up action flicks > with hunk like stars who can't act. I hate 99% of all the movies I see > so I couldn't care less for DVD myself but must now select one of > those gadgets. Help! > Javier > > PS: How about recordable DVD? Does it exist? > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Mon Oct 1 16:45:21 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 10:45:21 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] How about a bit of fun? References: <001201c1490e$6e8ba5a0$ccf0193e@a4s1s2> <00c301c1496e$5166b400$2def3fd0@oemcomputer> <3BB71F42.E169546D@concentric.net> <006201c14a56$44f786c0$73ec3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3BB88181.53CDFB83@concentric.net> Warren wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 9:33 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] How about a bit of fun? > > > Warren wrote: > > > > > > My favorite is reading patents on cables they are some of the > > > best fiction ever written. > > > > > > But in regard to the cardas record it doesn't work that well > > > but degaussing moving coil cartridges can give you an increase > > > in sound quality. > > > > I always thought this was another hoax. Have you > > actually tried it? I would be leery of degaussing > > a phono cartridge. It contains a magnet and > > 'degaussing' is the same as 'demagnetizing'. > > > > Staying away from the cables Yes, using something like the > asthetix demagnitizer works.But only on *moving coil* cartridges > it takes out residual magnetism in the coils similar to > degausing a tapehead. > You can test this one too, with a good tape deck, tape the > cart before you degauss and then after. > In theory you could do the same to a moving magnet cart > if you remove the stylus (and hence the magnet) first > Don't think I'd try it though. > Warren Careful, Warren... In my Shure V-15, the magnet is located in the cartridge body, not the stylus. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Mon Oct 1 17:21:21 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 11:21:21 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] floating biwiring References: <006801c14a6f$8433d820$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: <3BB889F1.3F8B83AD@concentric.net> Kannan, Just to clarify: IM distortion is one form of 'non-linear distortion'. It's caused by non-linearity of components (for example, when the gain of a transistor is higher at one level of the waveform than at another level). The distortion products of IM are the sum and difference of the frequencies. If you input pure 7KHz and 40Hz, the output will contain some amounts of 7.04KHz, 7.08KHz and so forth, as well as some 6.96KHz, 6.92KHz etc., that didn't exist in the original sound. IM is so significant because the distortion products are not harmonically related to the original. Their psychoacoustic effect is to make the sound strident, 'grainy' and dissonant (in general, quite irritating), even for fairly small amounts of IMD. (In contrast, Harmonic Distortion produces harmonically related products. Many people enjoy moderate amounts of even harmonics -- they impart to the sound a richer, 'warmer' character. While by no means 'accurate', amps that produce small amounts of even harmonics are in demand by some audiophiles.) Most passive components are fairly linear and do not give rise to appreciable IMD. Active devices, however, are not very linear and the same can be said for tape heads, phono cartridges and speakers. In all these, designing the device to operate in its most linear range is the key to higher quality reproduction. -- Ron "Kannan. S" wrote: > > Ron > IM distortion is one of very important factor for quality of an amplifier > sound much more than noise or harmonic distortion and I am drawn in to this > discussion. I also thank Ron for 100% of the replies with patience to > whatever had been directed at him. And no doubt Ron is also responsible for > such a decent discussion in our forum. > > For Graham and others who find this IM distortion going above their head - > Intermodulation distortion is the distortion of one frequency by another > frequency when ( which is not a fundamental -i.e. you cannot divide one > frquency by whole number) both are amplified together. The test is to mix > two sine wave frequencies and pass the mixed frequencies through the > amplifier and measuring the distortion. Nak cassette decks possess one of > the wonderful results for IM distortion test figures at 0dB level > > I felt somehow IM distortion can take place if power supply is not stiff as > Low frequency demand on power can cause sagging line voltage and in turn > would cause modulation of amplitude of all the frequencies. > And how nonlinearity of active components can allow one frequency to > modulate another frequency - somehow I am not able to understand. > > Nonlinearity ( of active compnenets) would affect frequencies directly > without the presence of another frequency? - when amplification is beyond > normal linear portion of curves. Here a property that would place a > connection between two frquencies is a must to cause IM diostortion. > Kannan > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Sunday, September 30, 2001 8:40 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] floating biwiring > > >> The BIG point is that a power amp's IM distortion is HUGELY a factor of > >> power supply modulation. So, an amp that is loaded on only upper or > lower > >> range, will have enormously less IM distortion than if it was loaded full > >> range. > > > >Not so. IM distortion is caused by nonlinear > >transfer function of active devices. Linearity of > >the high current portion of the device characteristic > >could be worse than at lower current, but not > >necessarily -- in many cases, it's actually better. > >This depends on the devices chosen and the design itself. > > > >In any case, linearity of the very low current portion > >is far worse than the high current portion (which is > >why class AB amps inherently have lower distortion that > >class B amps) -- just look at a transistor curve. I'd > >say that on the average, IM distortion of unloaded amps > >is more or less the same as the loaded value. > > > >All this applies to the output stage only. IM > >distortion in the rest of the amp is not affected > >by loading at all. > > > >The problem with false bi-amping is that all IM > >distortion products of the treble amp fall inside > >the passband of the following passive xover, > >resulting in their audibility. Thus, false bi-amping > >may, at best, reduce them slightly, but true bi-amping > >all but eliminates them. > > > > > >Our opposing views are respectively shared by two armies, > >at bitter verbal war with each other. It's good to be able > >to converse in this civilized environment, where each can > >express opinions without the ubiquitous ad hominem attacks > >encountered so often on the NGs and chat rooms. I can > >disagree with your views but still respect you and I hope > >you feel the same. > > > >Regards, > > > >-- Ron > > > > > >> > >> Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > >> Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > >> http://stephensank.com > >> 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > >> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > >> 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > >> mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > >> https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > >> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Ron" > >> To: > >> Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2001 1:27 PM > >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] floating biwiring > >> > >> > Stephen Sank wrote: > >> > > > >> > > In passive biamping, there is no current demanded from the top end > amp > >> for > >> > > bass, and vice versa on the bass amp. So, ALL the power of the bass > amp > >> is > >> > > available for the bass, and all of the power of the top end amp is > >> available > >> > > for the top end amp. Furthermore, the bass amp will not have power > >> supply > >> > > modulation interference from the top end, and the top end will have > no > >> power > >> > > supply modulation interference from the bottom end. So, BOTH amps > will > >> > > sound better & hence, both speaker sections will sound better. > >> > > I really don't know how you can deny any of this, Ron. > >> > > >> > Very easily, Stephen. Your argument assumes amps are > >> > constant power sources, which is not the case. Power amps > >> > are constant voltage sources. This means that, with constant > >> > input, power delivered is a function of the load resistance, > >> > while the output voltage remains essentially constant, > >> > regardless of power delivered. > >> > > >> > Maximum power available from any constant voltage source > >> > (including power amps) depends on the available maximum > >> > voltage, *not* on the current it is delivering (let's > >> > ignore output current capability issues for this > >> > discussion). > >> > > >> > For example: say an amp rated at 50W into 8 ohms is driven > >> > to just below clipping with a bass signal. The voltage at > >> > the output will be SQR(8*50)=20V, regardless of whether > >> > the output is loaded with 8 ohms (output power: 50W) or > >> > open (output power: zero). Now, add to the input drive a > >> > treble signal. The amplifier will clip, even though it is > >> > delivering zero power. > >> > > >> > This is your exact false bi-amping situation. For the > >> > treble amp: even though you are not drawing bass power, > >> > the bass waveform is present at the output and limits > >> > the treble voltage swing -- hence, the treble power > >> > output. It is possible for the treble amp to clip badly > >> > during a bass peak, even when treble power requirements > >> > are all but nil. > >> > > >> > In general, false bi-amping with two 100W amps will > >> > provide total system power of 100W (not 200W). > >> > > >> > > As far as cables, I can't count the number of times that the more > >> expensive > >> > > cable has LOST in non-blind testing. And I can't count even one time > >> where > >> > > common OFC cable of way more than adequate awg has won over anything > >> with > >> > > the tiniest bit of engineering/materials finesse in it. > >> > > >> > Well, would you please explain how the high-end cable > >> > differs from the generic one in a way that makes it sound > >> > better? What are it's electrical characteristics vs. the > >> > generic cable? > >> > > >> > And what is the Engineering/materials finesse in high-end > >> > cables (except for thickness of insulation, fancy packaging > >> > and cost)? > >> > > >> > FYI, a couple of years ago, a dealer made a bet with some > >> > non-believer readers of an audio NG. He claimed he could > >> > easily identify his brand of super expensive cable vs. a > >> > generic cable. He lost miserably, then claimed the testing > >> > was invalid ... Yea, right! This was well publicized at the > >> > time. > >> > > >> > I personally conducted a blind listening test of a > >> > moderately priced cable ($200) vs. a piece of 12AWG cable > >> > (about 5 bucks), on an A-B-X basis. Nobody (6 people) could > >> > make statistically valid guesses. > >> > > >> > Finally: I made only one recommendation, that the buyer > >> > run his own BLIND (!!!) listening tests, before shelling > >> > out the ridiculous price of esoteric speaker cables. I > >> > still think that's an excellent idea. > >> > > >> > -- Ron > >> > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > >> > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > >> > > http://stephensank.com > >> > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > >> > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > >> > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > >> > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > >> > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > >> > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > > From: "Ron" > >> > > To: > >> > > Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2001 8:05 AM > >> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] floating biwiring > >> > > > >> > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > >> > > > > > >> > > > > [...] > >> > > > > And I would like to reiterate that I consider passive biamping > every > >> bit > >> > > > > as valid & every bit as potentially beneficial as active > biamping. > >> > > > > >> > > > Well, here we go again... > >> > > > > >> > > > As so often happens in this hobby of ours, we have > >> > > > a 180 degrees opposite views: Stephen feels false > >> > > > bi-amping is 'every bit as potentially beneficial' > >> > > > while I (just as positively) state that it offers > >> > > > absolutely no benefit whatsoever. Zero! Zilch! None! > >> > > > > >> > > > I could go on to technically explain my statement. > >> > > > Problem is, if the reader is technically equipped to > >> > > > follow the Physics involved, he/she probably doesn't > >> > > > need the explanation in the first place. OTOH, lacking > >> > > > such knowledge, the reader won't understand the > >> > > > explanation... > >> > > > > >> > > > Alternatively, one could argue that the proof of the > >> > > > pudding is in the eating; thus, a listening test is > >> > > > in order. Problem here is that people in the know > >> > > > never thought this is an issue (false bi-amping is > >> > > > only incorporated as an add on -- never in any off > >> > > > the shelf product) and I know of no published test > >> > > > conducted to resolve the issue. It would be a bit > >> > > > like going into the lab to prove that 2 + 2 = 4... > >> > > > (BTW, setting up such a *valid* test would be quite > >> > > > difficult). > >> > > > > >> > > > So, the bottom line is (same as with many other such > >> > > > arguments related to high end audio): the reader is > >> > > > forced to choose between diametrically opposed > >> > > > opinions (the Engineering vs. the esoteric), albeit > >> > > > while lacking the necessary tools. > >> > > > > >> > > > The good news is that using a single high power, > >> > > > high quality amp provides most (though not all) the > >> > > > advantages of true biamping -- the large reserve of > >> > > > power is already there, IM distortion is already very > >> > > > low and the DF factor is high enough to compensate > >> > > > -- at least, partially -- for the passive xover > >> > > > resistance. > >> > > > > >> > > > The even better news is that, if you do decide to invest > >> > > > the expense and effort in false bi-amping (and provided > >> > > > you do it right), it won't do any good, but it won't do > >> > > > any harm, either. > >> > > > > >> > > > > And I further want to add that I absolutely do NOT think any good > >> > > > > speaker will sound it's best with "ordinary OFC copper cables of > >> > > adequate > >> > > > > gauge", as Ron would have you believe. > >> > > > > >> > > > Well, this is a horse of a different color, because > >> > > > different cables can have different electrical > >> > > > characteristics. > >> > > > > >> > > > If you believe in Physics (as opposed to magic), then any > >> > > > two speaker cables that have identical electrical > >> > > > characteristics (for speaker cables, there are only > >> > > > three such characteristics) will sound absolutely > >> > > > identical (with the same speaker/amp combination, of > >> > > > course). > >> > > > > >> > > > Ideally, values of all these characteristics should be > >> > > > zero. It is the going wisdom, though, that when they > >> > > > are low enough (say, less than 1/100 of the speaker's), > >> > > > their effect is negligible enough to be inaudible. Quite > >> > > > a few documented listening tests have proved this to be > >> > > > correct. I know of *no* test that proved the reverse. > >> > > > > >> > > > However, who is to say what someone else can hear? The > >> > > > question facing the reader then, is, can he (or she) > >> > > > hear that difference? More to the point, even assuming he > >> > > > has the proverbial 6 million dollar ears (does anyone?) > >> > > > can he hear it in *his* listening room, with *his* > >> > > > speakers? The speakers and room effects *far* outweigh > >> > > > (by *many* orders of magnitude) the effects of speaker > >> > > > cables. > >> > > > > >> > > > I humbly submit to the original poster that with your > >> > > > NHTs and unless you have an acoustically treated > >> > > > listening room, there is no way on earth you will > >> > > > hear the difference between regular OFC cables > >> > > > (provided they meet the condition stated above) and > >> > > > a $3000 monster of a cable. I am not so sure the same > >> > > > is true for owners of top of the line Dunlavy or B&W > >> > > > (or even Wilson) speakers that have an acoustically > >> > > > treated hall, though it could be true even for them. > >> > > > > >> > > > Again, since you asked, I must assume you do not know > >> > > > and are hanging between two opposing answers. I would > >> > > > highly recommend that you obtain your esoteric cable > >> > > > and a length of *correct gauge* OFC cable where both > >> > > > can be returned, then run an extended and *careful* > >> > > > listening test (if at all possible, blind. Sighted > >> > > > tests provide notoriously incorrect results -- almost > >> > > > always favouring the more expensive component). > >> > > > > >> > > > Good luck, > >> > > > > >> > > > -- Ron > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > >> > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > >> > > > > http://stephensank.com > >> > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > >> > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > >> > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > >> > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > >> > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > >> > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > >> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > > > > From: > >> > > > > To: > >> > > > > Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 10:23 AM > >> > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] floating biwiring > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > In a message dated 9/28/01 1:50:53 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > >> > > > > bk11 at thuntek.net > >> > > > > > writes: > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > << The NHT's are not set up for active biamping, just for > biwiring > >> or > >> > > > > passive > >> > > > > > biamping. There are very few stock, commercially available > >> speakers > >> > > are > >> > > > > set > >> > > > > > up for active biamping, which requires either an external, > >> detachable > >> > > > > > passive crossover unit, as with the Apogee Divas, or some > method > >> of > >> > > > > > bypassing the internal crossovers. > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Thank you! In your expert opinion, would I be better served in > >> terms > >> > > of > >> > > > > > sound quality by passive bi-amping these speakers with two > smaller > >> > > power > >> > > > > > amps, or by single-amping them with a larger, higher current > one? > >> For > >> > > > > > obvious reasons, this is kind of difficult to A/B test in > advance. > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > I investigated passive/active biamping and biwiring on the net, > >> and > >> > > there > >> > > > > are > >> > > > > > a number of informative, well-written articles on the subject. > >> Seems > >> > > like > >> > > > > > there are as many opinions out there as there are methods. One > >> expert > >> > > was > >> > > > > > fairly dubious of passive biamping, and considered it not worth > >> the > >> > > extra > >> > > > > > costs in cables and additional amplification. What do you all > >> think? > >> > > > > Would > >> > > > > > I simply be better off single-amping them with a higher power, > >> higher > >> > > > > current > >> > > > > > power amp? > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > I welcome anybody's informed opinion and thanks to all in > advance > >> for > >> > > your > >> > > > > > help-- ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Mon Oct 1 18:45:46 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 12:45:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] How about a bit of fun? References: <20010930.001104.-304047.2.josephj69@juno.com> <086501c149eb$662c3540$493442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3BB89DBA.40DF3EC0@concentric.net> Such anecdotal proofs abound. Putting my agnostic hat on, I wonder aloud what would cause a significant, audible difference, related to a 4" piece of wire. The first clue is the sound stage opening up. Let's reason this one out. Sound stage effects are due to difference between the L and R signals (there is no sound stage at all when they are the same). If the sound stage just 'opened up', that would imply that previously, there was some leakage between the two channels, reducing channel separation (possibly, incorrect shielding?). If the imaging actually improved, it would tend to indicate that distortion or phase shift occurred in one of the channels (but not the other), previous to the repair. The second clue relates to the complaint about 'bass balance'. Again, channel balance has to do with phase and amplitude relationships between L and R signals. Tonal balance could be affected by poor response in one of the channels. We have no more clues, but I would wonder if the amp had a poor connection or a cold solder joint in one of the leads that were replaced. That would neatly explain both comments of the owner. But, then, you say that another amp was also improved by replacing a piece of wire, in another location. The implied explanation, then, is that 4" (or 8") of properly operating wire can actually make an audible (or even measurable) difference, for no physical reason? Let me offer an anecdotal story of my own. Many, many years ago, my system consisted of a ReVox B285 driving a pair of JBL L-65 speakers though 16AWG zip cord. The system had been in operation for a number of years, its sound was fading and it was time, I felt, to upgrade. About that time (mid 80s), the marvelous sonic effects of speaker cables became an audiophile issue and audiophile friends of the Believing persuasion were telling me that I really ought to replace my speaker cables. I finally succumbed and bought 20 ft (for both channels) of Monster 12AWG speaker cable. I still remember I paid 80 cents a ft (more than 4 times what generic cable cost in H/W stores). I disconnected the old zip cord and connected fresh pieces of the new cable. I then put on a disc and sat down to listen. I didn't expect to hear any improvement at all and was simply flabbergasted when out issued a tremendously gorgeous sound... deeper bass, silky smooth highs, unbelievable presence. I basked in The New Sound for a couple of hours before coming to my senses and deciding that such stupendous improvement couldn't possibly be due to speaker cables. To verify, I decided to put the zip cords back in. It was then that I discovered the ends were frayed and most strands were broken -- the result of moving the speakers around through the years without disconnecting the wires first. I cut an inch off each end, re-stripped, re-tinned and reconnected. Sure enough, The New Sound was still there... I wound up reconnecting back and forth and was quickly convinced that the Monster cables were sonically identical to the smaller gauge zip cords. This is the kind of experience that would make an Atheist out of the staunchest Believer... -- Ron Stephen Sank wrote: > > Here is a great argument FOR high grade interconnects: > Amplifier: Spectral DMA-200 > Client: Blind. I mean actually blind. > Client was not quite happy with his amp, as he said it took an hour or so > for the "bass balance to be right" & he thought it could be better in > general. I said, "Let me go do one little thing to it". I came back to his > house the next day with the amp. Connected it, turned it on, right away > played a CD of the client's. Client says within a minute, "Holy shit!", > then describes how the bass problem is cured, plus how the soundstage had > opened up like he had never heard before. He asked me what I had done to > it. > I had replaced 4 inches of interconnect cable on each channel. The cable > between the input jack board & the amp boards. The original was some very > respectable looking twisted pair shielded cable. I had replaced it with the > silver-clad, high purity copper, shielded LAT IC-200 interconnect. 4 inches > per channel. Exactly the same results I had achieved a week or two earlier > on a friend's Spectral DMA-90 with about 8 inches of wire per channel. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2001 10:08 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] How about a bit of fun? > > > My favorite has to be Shakti stones. I don't think anything can top > > those. > > > > A close second is high end interconnect cables in general. Don't people > > realize that most EVERY interconnect company out there buys $2 worth of > > cable, $8 worth of connectors, then charges an assinine price for the end > > result? > > > > - Joe > > > > > > On Sat, 29 Sep 2001 18:44:47 +0100 "Graham Nelson" > > writes: > > How about listing and commenting on your "favourite" hi fi mythology or > > snake oil? > > > > F'example, any comments on ... > > > > > > - Densen DeMagic CD "...All electronic parts ... contain a small > > amount of magnets. Due to DC leakage from all electronic equipment these > > magnets will gradually be orientated in one direction.... (this ) > > ...lowers the quality of the reproduced sound. DeMagic sends a series of > > algorithm signals through your system which relocates the magnets and > > thereby breaks the magnetic field and its negative effects on sound..." > > > > - the Cardias Frequency Sweep record that, amongst many things, is > > supposed to ".... ultrasonically clean the cartridge stylus and degauss > > the entire system..." > > > > - The green pen .... > > > > - The Shun Moon Kable Tree ... "...place any AC cable, cord, speaker > > cable or interconnect in the slot....Put the small wooden bar across the > > top of the conductor then listen to the improvement to your sound..." A > > steal at only £194.95 each?!! > > > > - Esoteric mains cables chords > > > > - Anti static mats for CDs > > > > - RF stoppers (those little clamps that go around the cable, which > > Audioquest sell from an amazing £42.50 for a set of 8 - I'm sure > > RadioShack sell 'em for much less.) (Someone gave me some - > > personally, I don't think they do anything!) > > > > Does anyone out there have any of these products? They ARE snake oil, > > aren't they? ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Oct 1 18:49:00 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 12:49:00 EDT Subject: [naktalk] FW: Great Adventures in Hi Fi Message-ID: <11.1b738b54.28e9f87c@aol.com> In a message dated 9/30/2001 11:36:05 AM Central Daylight Time, brianm at grar.com writes: << Thanks Graham, I will keep eyes open for those magazines, though I suspect the chances of finding them locally will be slim, I have been to their Web pages. I have subscribed to S-phile years ago and most recently I had a subscription to TAS, it just ran out. As to your A-B tests e-mail, so do you subscribe to the "Consumer Reports theory", that all CD players sound the same, you are just buying features? Brian Miller Michigan >> Hi Brian, I've seen and read articles in both of those UK publications Graham recommends at my local Tower Records. If you have a TR in your area, check them out. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Mon Oct 1 18:51:53 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 12:51:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Op amp vdd / vss References: <003801c13d10$412688a0$42d60192@vsnl> <001801c148f1$ea978000$1c289bca@smarzuki> <001501c149c7$cde45f60$e4289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3BB89F29.2D27C942@concentric.net> Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Kannan / Stephen / all, > > Is it okay to power an opamp using +24V and gnd instead of +/-12 V ? I ... > believe they're the same, but some assurance would be really appreciated. > Can't find -12V point on 482 (but of course I didn't check every point :-) > > Thanks in advance, > Salim SM > It's OK, provided the inputs are referenced to +12V. The output will ride on +12V as well. You can generate +12V reference using a resistor, 12V Zener diode and an electrolytic cap. Current requirement is tiny. You can AC couple the output to get rid of the DC component. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Oct 1 19:08:56 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 13:08:56 EDT Subject: [naktalk] DVDs??? Message-ID: <138.26768d9.28e9fd28@aol.com> In a message dated 9/30/2001 10:00:20 PM Central Daylight Time, summarex at yahoo.com writes: << My fellow Nakholes Odd as it may seem I am being hounded by my wife for a DVD player. Usually I'm the one trying to bring new equipment into the house. She believes that a VHS armageddon is about to occur at the local blockbuster and we must all equip ourselves with the new DVDs or suffer consequences of biblical proportions. I have seen several of the mass market units going for as low as 99 bucks. My question is simply, how good are these cheaper units? Is it worth spending 300 on a more expensive one? Do they all sound and image the same? How about reliability? My wife loves blow'em up action flicks with hunk like stars who can't act. I hate 99% of all the movies I see so I couldn't care less for DVD myself but must now select one of those gadgets. Help! Javier PS: How about recordable DVD? Does it exist? >> ----------- Hi Javier, Here are a few links that may help you make your choice: CNET DVD reviews http://www.cnet.com/electronics/0-5560484-8-5122146-1.html?tag=st.ce.3219398.d ir.dvd_5560484-8-5122146-1 TimeForDVD http://timefordvd.com/hardware/HardwareReviews.shtml TotalDVD reviews from the UK http://www.totaldvd.net/frame.html?http://www.totaldvd.net/reviews/DVDPlayers/ testexplained.shtml I hope these resources help. For the purpose you described, I'm sure any major brand DVD player will work for this application (e.g., Panasonic, Toshiba, Sony, JVC, Phillips, or even Zenith). Another alternative is to purchase one from eBay. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Oct 1 19:16:29 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 18:16:29 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth Record Adjustment - ZX-9 In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365A5C@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <000801c14a9c$cef99020$ac4887d9@a4s1s2> Hi Tom Thanks for the support. Yup, they certainly are killer recordings, aren't they. Even on relatively modest TDK SA it's hard to tell the difference blind against the vinyl original. (It's made some nice recordings of a few old 78s that I've collected over the last 2-3 years.) But then, if I recall correctly, the advertising blurb for its younger sibling, the ZX-7, said that deck offered open-reel quality. (Of course, I believe EVERYTHING I read in marketing literature!!!) So, I suppose one ought not be too surprised at just how good is the ZX-9. ;o) Cheers Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos Sent: 01 October 2001 00:04 To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Azimuth Record Adjustment - ZX-9 Hi Graham, I've read what Maytas wrote - absolutely correct! I too own a ZX-9 and face the same dilemmas that you are suffering. I don't worry too much about the constant adjusting when recording because I know that the ZX-9 will make killer recordings, and in the end that's what I aim for. Regards Tom Siomopoulos ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Oct 1 19:14:50 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 13:14:50 EDT Subject: [naktalk] DVDs??? Message-ID: <7a.1b9fb193.28e9fe8a@aol.com> Javier, Here is a resources to learn more about recordable DVD. -Sam http://www.ultimateresourcesite.com/dvdrecordable/main.htm ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Mon Oct 1 19:19:15 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 13:19:15 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] DVDs??? References: <20010930.231716.-267369.1.josephj69@juno.com> <001101c14a8f$bc2e1540$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> Message-ID: <3BB8A593.2B0ECAE0@concentric.net> Regions are an attribute of DVDs, put in by content providers (the movie studios). A DVD can only be played by a matching player. The idea was to force customers to buy DVDs only in their particular marketing area, ensuring that they cannot take advantage of availability or lower prices elsewhere in the world. They are of comparatively little import in the US. Some small manufacturers offer players that will play all zones. Hackers also offer to modify some single zone players to do the same. Content providers are now fighting back by releasing discs that will not play at all on multi-zone players. Stay tuned for further developments... Macrovision is a copy protection scheme that prevents copying a VHS tape or DVD disc. The disc may contain code that tells the player to issue interference that screws up the recording VCR. (Some discs do not and are copyable.) Some small manufacturers make players that ignore the MV code. They are violating their license, but it seems they don't give a hang. No main stream manufacturer dares do this. To combat MV on any player, one can purchase a color corrector (Sima makes their model CCS, that goes for about $100) that will enable DVD copying from any player and will allow corrections of video attributes as well. To copy VHS tapes, a simpler device will do (for about $50). -- Ron erie patsellis wrote: > > joe, > care to elucidate as to the region change > and macrovision disable, as I am looking > for one for my stepdaughter and I'm sure > she won't be getting my Arcam. > > erie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 8:11 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] DVDs??? > > > Javier, > > > > I bought $99 Apex digital model for no other reason than the fact that it > > can easily be modified to play all code, and you can shut Macrovision off > > so you can copy DVDs onto VHS tape without problem. > > > > To be honest, the Apex is a piece of junk. It's certainly functional, > > but I'm sure it's far from the state of the art in video quality. I > > can't comment on audio because it's hooked up to a mono TV. > > > > I'm not a videophile at all (I use EP speed almost exclusively) and I > > have no interest in multichannel nonsense (in fact, I even hate stereo > > when I'm trying to watch TV!). So I'm not the guy to ask about that > > stuff. > > > > If you decide to go with the Apex, get the one they sell at Wal-Mart > > (model 500W, I think). The AD-1500 they sell everywhere else is not as > > good. > > > > - Joe > > > > On Sun, 30 Sep 2001 22:59:02 -0400 Javier Perez > > writes: > > > > > > My fellow Nakholes > > > Odd as it may seem I am being hounded by my wife > > > for a DVD player. Usually I'm the one trying to bring new equipment > > > into > > > the house. She believes that a VHS armageddon > > > is about to occur at the local blockbuster and we must > > > all equip ourselves with the new DVDs or suffer consequences > > > of biblical proportions. I have seen several of the mass > > > market units going for as low as 99 bucks. My question > > > is simply, how good are these cheaper units? Is it worth spending > > > 300 on a more expensive one? Do they all sound and image the same? > > > How about reliability? My wife loves blow'em up action flicks > > > with hunk like stars who can't act. I hate 99% of all the movies I > > > see > > > so I couldn't care less for DVD myself but must now select one of > > > those gadgets. Help! > > > Javier > > > > > > PS: How about recordable DVD? Does it exist? > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Oct 1 19:23:42 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 18:23:42 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] How about a bit of fun? In-Reply-To: <3BB89DBA.40DF3EC0@concentric.net> Message-ID: <000c01c14a9d$d1364440$ac4887d9@a4s1s2> Ron said: "The first clue is the sound stage opening up. Let's reason this one out. Sound stage effects are due to difference between the L and R signals (there is no sound stage at all when they are the same). If the sound stage just 'opened up', that would imply that previously, there was some leakage between the two channels, reducing channel separation (possibly, incorrect shielding?). If the imaging actually improved, it would tend to indicate that distortion or phase shift occurred in one of the channels (but not the other), previous to the repair." For give my ignorance, but is this why some people claim that cables which are not shielded generally offer a better sound stage than cables that are not shielded? Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Oct 1 19:23:44 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 18:23:44 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] FW: Great Adventures in Hi Fi In-Reply-To: <11.1b738b54.28e9f87c@aol.com> Message-ID: <000d01c14a9d$d24bfa00$ac4887d9@a4s1s2> Brian If you can't find them, send me your address and I'll post a couple to you. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of SBarr12393 at aol.com Sent: 01 October 2001 17:49 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] FW: Great Adventures in Hi Fi In a message dated 9/30/2001 11:36:05 AM Central Daylight Time, brianm at grar.com writes: << Thanks Graham, I will keep eyes open for those magazines, though I suspect the chances of finding them locally will be slim, I have been to their Web pages. I have subscribed to S-phile years ago and most recently I had a subscription to TAS, it just ran out. As to your A-B tests e-mail, so do you subscribe to the "Consumer Reports theory", that all CD players sound the same, you are just buying features? Brian Miller Michigan >> Hi Brian, I've seen and read articles in both of those UK publications Graham recommends at my local Tower Records. If you have a TR in your area, check them out. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Mon Oct 1 19:22:50 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 12:22:50 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] How about a bit of fun? In-Reply-To: <3BB89DBA.40DF3EC0@concentric.net> Message-ID: On this cable issue....I like to do things myself when I can. So, anyone have any recommendations on how to make some really good interconnect and speaker cable? Materials and wire to utilize for the best quality? Oh, and one more thing...Stephen and others- are there some simple upgrades I can do to my Adcom 555 amps until I upgrade? I am very good with a soldering iron :-) Alex Cagann AUTO CONSORTIUM http://members.rennlist.com/autoconsortium ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Mon Oct 1 19:22:54 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 13:22:54 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Tuner Specs Message-ID: <008001c14a9d$b7f6a4c0$2e031fac@brianm> Specs are Greek to me, I have no idea of their meanings; as most of us, I go by performance anyway. But, below are given specs for two tuners, Tuner A and Tuner B. Could those of you with an understanding of these give your thoughts to which have the better "numbers"? TUNER A Sensitivity 15dBF or 1.6uV across 75 ohms. Stereo 50dB quieting sensitivity 39dBF or 25uV across 75 ohms. Response 20-15kHz (+0 -1dB). Distortion 0.12% in stereo. Capture ratio 1.5dB. Image rejection 80dB. S/N 75dB stereo. Alt channel selectivity 70dB. Separation 50dB. Spurious rejection 100dB. TUNER B Usable Sensitivity - stereo:11.5dBf (3.75µv) 50dB quieting sensitivity - stereo: 31.0dBf (35.5µv)** Audio frequency response (±1.5dB): 30Hz - 15KHz Total Harmonic Distortion - stereo: 0.25% Capture Ratio: 1.5dB Signal-to-Noise Ratio(SNR) (A-weighted): 75dB Alternate Channel Selectivity - wide: 55dB; Alternate Channel Selectivity - narrow: 75dB Stereo Separation (1KHz): >45dB Thanks, Brian Miller Michigan John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brianm at grar.com Mon Oct 1 19:24:12 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 13:24:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] FW: Great Adventures in Hi Fi References: <11.1b738b54.28e9f87c@aol.com> Message-ID: <008e01c14a9d$e49e8740$2e031fac@brianm> Thanks Sam, unfortunately I do not know of any TR store in my area. Brian Miller Michigan John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] FW: Great Adventures in Hi Fi > In a message dated 9/30/2001 11:36:05 AM Central Daylight Time, > brianm at grar.com writes: > > << Thanks Graham, > > I will keep eyes open for those magazines, though I suspect the chances of > finding them locally will be slim, I have been to their Web pages. I have > subscribed to S-phile years ago and most recently I had a subscription to > TAS, it just ran out. > > As to your A-B tests e-mail, so do you subscribe to the "Consumer Reports > theory", that all CD players sound the same, you are just buying features? > > Brian Miller > Michigan >> > > Hi Brian, > > I've seen and read articles in both of those UK publications Graham > recommends at my local Tower Records. If you have a TR in your area, check > them out. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From targowski at mediaone.net Mon Oct 1 19:50:41 2001 From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 12:50:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Tuner Specs In-Reply-To: <008001c14a9d$b7f6a4c0$2e031fac@brianm> Message-ID: Brian - looks like a test to me - which may start a heated debate like analogue vs. digital again ... Same like you, I go by performance rather than by the numbers. Either tuner is probably mid-range judging by the specs alone. The first one is more sensitive, the second one has lower distortion, and we can go on ... I do not see a clean winner here. I think a way to look at these specs is to take a reference tuner, some Tandberg or McIntosh from a few years ago, and cross reference the numbers. Just my $0.03. Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Brian Miller Sent: Mon, October 01, 2001 12:23 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Tuner Specs Specs are Greek to me, I have no idea of their meanings; as most of us, I go by performance anyway. But, below are given specs for two tuners, Tuner A and Tuner B. Could those of you with an understanding of these give your thoughts to which have the better "numbers"? TUNER A Sensitivity 15dBF or 1.6uV across 75 ohms. Stereo 50dB quieting sensitivity 39dBF or 25uV across 75 ohms. Response 20-15kHz (+0 -1dB). Distortion 0.12% in stereo. Capture ratio 1.5dB. Image rejection 80dB. S/N 75dB stereo. Alt channel selectivity 70dB. Separation 50dB. Spurious rejection 100dB. TUNER B Usable Sensitivity - stereo:11.5dBf (3.75µv) 50dB quieting sensitivity - stereo: 31.0dBf (35.5µv)** Audio frequency response (±1.5dB): 30Hz - 15KHz Total Harmonic Distortion - stereo: 0.25% Capture Ratio: 1.5dB Signal-to-Noise Ratio(SNR) (A-weighted): 75dB Alternate Channel Selectivity - wide: 55dB; Alternate Channel Selectivity - narrow: 75dB Stereo Separation (1KHz): >45dB Thanks, Brian Miller Michigan John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From targowski at mediaone.net Mon Oct 1 20:26:02 2001 From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 13:26:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] DVDs??? In-Reply-To: <001101c14a8f$bc2e1540$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> Message-ID: Macrovision is mechanism for preventing copying DVD's onto tapes. Then, there is the system (NTSC, PAL, SECAM, etc.), and Region Coding. In the US we are using NTSC 3.58 and Region 1. DVD's sold in the US are recorded in NTSC 3.58 and Region coded for Region 1. In most of Europe, for example, PAL is used instead of NTSC 3.58, and DVD's are coded for Region 2. I assume that Asia, etc. may be yet different. This means, that if you bought a DVD in England or France, made for their market, it wouldn't play in your DVD player. Apex came out a couple of years ago with a model 600, which had a hidden menu which allowed you to override the region and signal settings. New models, do not have the hidden menu, but via internet you can learn how to reprogram the chips (or by the replacements) that will do the job. Apex is still unique in that the new models will play PAL disc, not region coded, on US TV's. I have brought over several Region 0 [i.e., not region coded]DVD's from Poland, that are recorded in PAL, and can view them via the APEX DVD player on my JVC NTSC 3.58 TV. Clear as mud, ha ... Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of erie patsellis Sent: Mon, October 01, 2001 10:43 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] DVDs??? joe, care to elucidate as to the region change and macrovision disable, as I am looking for one for my stepdaughter and I'm sure she won't be getting my Arcam. erie ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 8:11 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] DVDs??? > Javier, > > I bought $99 Apex digital model for no other reason than the fact that it > can easily be modified to play all code, and you can shut Macrovision off > so you can copy DVDs onto VHS tape without problem. > > To be honest, the Apex is a piece of junk. It's certainly functional, > but I'm sure it's far from the state of the art in video quality. I > can't comment on audio because it's hooked up to a mono TV. > > I'm not a videophile at all (I use EP speed almost exclusively) and I > have no interest in multichannel nonsense (in fact, I even hate stereo > when I'm trying to watch TV!). So I'm not the guy to ask about that > stuff. > > If you decide to go with the Apex, get the one they sell at Wal-Mart > (model 500W, I think). The AD-1500 they sell everywhere else is not as > good. > > - Joe > > On Sun, 30 Sep 2001 22:59:02 -0400 Javier Perez > writes: > > > > My fellow Nakholes > > Odd as it may seem I am being hounded by my wife > > for a DVD player. Usually I'm the one trying to bring new equipment > > into > > the house. She believes that a VHS armageddon > > is about to occur at the local blockbuster and we must > > all equip ourselves with the new DVDs or suffer consequences > > of biblical proportions. I have seen several of the mass > > market units going for as low as 99 bucks. My question > > is simply, how good are these cheaper units? Is it worth spending > > 300 on a more expensive one? Do they all sound and image the same? > > How about reliability? My wife loves blow'em up action flicks > > with hunk like stars who can't act. I hate 99% of all the movies I > > see > > so I couldn't care less for DVD myself but must now select one of > > those gadgets. Help! > > Javier > > > > PS: How about recordable DVD? 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Mon Oct 1 20:29:59 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 14:29:59 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Tuner Specs References: Message-ID: <00cf01c14aa7$15d59fc0$2e031fac@brianm> I am not looking for a heated debate Stan, I am just curious about the numbers between the two. I have no idea on most of the specs which are better if the number is greater or lower. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com/ John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. ----- Original Message ----- From: Stan Targowski To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 1:50 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Tuner Specs Brian - looks like a test to me - which may start a heated debate like analogue vs. digital again ... Same like you, I go by performance rather than by the numbers. Either tuner is probably mid-range judging by the specs alone. The first one is more sensitive, the second one has lower distortion, and we can go on ... I do not see a clean winner here. I think a way to look at these specs is to take a reference tuner, some Tandberg or McIntosh from a few years ago, and cross reference the numbers. Just my $0.03. Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Brian Miller Sent: Mon, October 01, 2001 12:23 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Tuner Specs Specs are Greek to me, I have no idea of their meanings; as most of us, I go by performance anyway. But, below are given specs for two tuners, Tuner A and Tuner B. Could those of you with an understanding of these give your thoughts to which have the better "numbers"? TUNER A Sensitivity 15dBF or 1.6uV across 75 ohms. Stereo 50dB quieting sensitivity 39dBF or 25uV across 75 ohms. Response 20-15kHz (+0 -1dB). Distortion 0.12% in stereo. Capture ratio 1.5dB. Image rejection 80dB. S/N 75dB stereo. Alt channel selectivity 70dB. Separation 50dB. Spurious rejection 100dB. TUNER B Usable Sensitivity - stereo:11.5dBf (3.75µv) 50dB quieting sensitivity - stereo: 31.0dBf (35.5µv)** Audio frequency response (±1.5dB): 30Hz - 15KHz Total Harmonic Distortion - stereo: 0.25% Capture Ratio: 1.5dB Signal-to-Noise Ratio(SNR) (A-weighted): 75dB Alternate Channel Selectivity - wide: 55dB; Alternate Channel Selectivity - narrow: 75dB Stereo Separation (1KHz): >45dB Thanks, Brian Miller Michigan John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From raah at concentric.net Mon Oct 1 20:30:08 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 14:30:08 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] How about a bit of fun? References: Message-ID: <3BB8B630.297113@concentric.net> Alex Cagann wrote: > > On this cable issue....I like to do things myself when I can. So, anyone > have any recommendations on how to make some really good interconnect and > speaker cable? Materials and wire to utilize for the best quality? I make interconnects to exact required length. Saves on clutter behind the components, reduces noise and hum pick up. I prefer to use 75 ohm coax for all cables. The constant impedance is immaterial for audio, but enables me to make the same kind of cable for audio, video and digital applications. The cable recommended by Belden's chief Engineer was their 1505A High performance, RG-59 type. It's double shielded (100% coverage), solid core and quite rigid. Dead quiet even on a long run to the subwoofer. Another cable favoured by DIY aficionados is Belden 89259 -- not as good, in every spec, except that the Teflon insulation is claimed to reduce distortion induced by the cable. For the reason mentioned above, I use 75 ohm RCA connectors throughout. I prefer gold or nickel plating, to eliminate tarnishing. I've used both crimped and screw-on connectors; one shipment of the latter (from Philmore) tended to be less reliable, others were fine. For speaker cables, I use generic OFC cable. You should calculate the minimum gauge required in your specific installation. It depends on cable length and the minimum impedance of your speakers. 12AWG goes for 25 to 40 cents a ft. in H/W stores such as Home Depot. Theoretically, it's a good idea to use the twisted kind for longer (say, 35 ft and above) runs. You can *theoretically* improve high frequency response by using parallel runs of smaller gauge wire (for example, 4 runs of paralleled 18AWG, twisted together, equal 12AWG with better high frequency behavior), but I am not sure how audible the improvement will be. It's possible esoteric construction cables may improve sound, but my view is that you will have to own a very high caliber system in an acoustically treated room (not to mention, a fairly esoteric pair of ears) to appreciate the difference, if any. This blasphemous view is supported by many *blind* listening tests. -- Ron > Oh, and one more thing...Stephen and others- are there some simple upgrades > I can do to my Adcom 555 amps until I upgrade? I am very good with a > soldering iron :-) > > Alex Cagann > AUTO CONSORTIUM > http://members.rennlist.com/autoconsortium > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Oct 1 20:45:54 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 12:45:54 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Op amp vdd / vss References: <003801c13d10$412688a0$42d60192@vsnl> <001801c148f1$ea978000$1c289bca@smarzuki> <001501c149c7$cde45f60$e4289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <09c101c14aa9$4dcd1960$493442cf@sank1> Yes, that should work just fine. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 9:51 AM Subject: [naktalk] Op amp vdd / vss > > Kannan / Stephen / all, > > Is it okay to power an opamp using +24V and gnd instead of +/-12 V ? I ... > believe they're the same, but some assurance would be really appreciated. > Can't find -12V point on 482 (but of course I didn't check every point :-) > > Thanks in advance, > Salim SM > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Will it beat Naks w/equivalent specs, No! > > Stan wrote: > > > Same like you, I go by performance rather than by > > the numbers. > > But the numbers describe the performance. > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Oct 2 00:11:43 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 23:11:43 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Making cables ....for Alex, et al ... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001401c14ac6$0d853be0$ac4887d9@a4s1s2> Alex This is the recipe that was given to me - I forget the guy's name - he was selling some gear I was interested in on e-Bay, I think. I've since tried making some interconnects but not using the RadioShack magnet wire as specified because it doesn't seem to be available over here in the UK. Otherwise, I'd like to try making them with this stuff to see what it can do! Graham > > Alright Graham, your nice letter earned you best tip you will > > EVER get in audio, (I kid you not) here it is: > > > > If you want to make some interconnects and speaker cables that > > will blow yours out of the water: Radio Shack, or any other brand > > magnet wire is the answer. Its super cheap, use the 30 gauge > > spool for interconnects, twist the positive and negatives about 2 > > turns an inch but not the R&L channels together. Just one wire > > per lead, and use the 26 gauge for you speakers. Unless you have > > some pretty inefficient speakers then use the 22 gauge ditto on the turns. > > > > Inexpensive low mass Rca's or spades are fine. > > > > Don't even question this, I've demo'd it many times and with > > other's in industry, even in stores, and they are as good and > > usually way better than about anything out there at many, many > > thousands of dollars. Just 2 days ago a dealer friend of mine who > > sells Magnan cables told me a pair of magnet interconnects I made > > for him sounded better than a $3,000 pair of Magnan > > interconnects. Another dealer friend and I compared some speaker > > cables from Transparent, only $9800, to my $3.00 magnet wire. We > > both liked the magnet wire better. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Tue Oct 2 00:24:47 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 15:24:47 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Making cables ....for Alex, et al ... References: <001401c14ac6$0d853be0$ac4887d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3BB8ED2F.3B4E5AD4@earthlink.net> Please excuse my ignorance but what is magnet wire? Jim Volpatti Graham Nelson wrote: > > Alex > > This is the recipe that was given to me - I forget the guy's name - he was > selling some gear I was interested in on e-Bay, I think. I've since tried > making some interconnects but not using the RadioShack magnet wire as > specified because it doesn't seem to be available over here in the UK. > Otherwise, I'd like to try making them with this stuff to see what it can > do! ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Oct 2 00:32:54 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 23:32:54 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Making cables ....for Alex, et al ... In-Reply-To: <3BB8ED2F.3B4E5AD4@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <001601c14ac9$033e9700$ac4887d9@a4s1s2> Jim Actually, I think it's Magnet wire - in other words, I think it's the name of the maker of the wire, tho' I'm not 100% certain of this. You'll find it in the RadioShack catalogue, sold in spools. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti Sent: 01 October 2001 23:25 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Making cables ....for Alex, et al ... Please excuse my ignorance but what is magnet wire? Jim Volpatti Graham Nelson wrote: > > Alex > > This is the recipe that was given to me - I forget the guy's name - he was > selling some gear I was interested in on e-Bay, I think. I've since tried > making some interconnects but not using the RadioShack magnet wire as > specified because it doesn't seem to be available over here in the UK. > Otherwise, I'd like to try making them with this stuff to see what it can > do! ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 2 00:40:33 2001 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 15:40:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Making cables ....for Alex, et al ... In-Reply-To: <001601c14ac9$033e9700$ac4887d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <20011001224033.89172.qmail@web13102.mail.yahoo.com> Magnet wire is usually single strand copper wire with enamel insulation. The enamel is usually painted on and extremely thin. Magnet wire is available from may wire manfacturers and is usually used only in inductors, transformers, motors and generators. Never heard of it used for interconnects. SJ --- Graham Nelson wrote: > Jim > > Actually, I think it's Magnet wire - in other words, > I think it's the name > of the maker of the wire, tho' I'm not 100% certain > of this. You'll find it > in the RadioShack catalogue, sold in spools. > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Jim Volpatti > Sent: 01 October 2001 23:25 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Making cables ....for Alex, > et al ... > > > > Please excuse my ignorance but what is magnet wire? > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > Alex > > > > This is the recipe that was given to me - I forget > the guy's name - he was > > selling some gear I was interested in on e-Bay, I > think. I've since tried > > making some interconnects but not using the > RadioShack magnet wire as > > specified because it doesn't seem to be available > over here in the UK. > > Otherwise, I'd like to try making them with this > stuff to see what it can > > do! > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Listen to your Yahoo! Mail messages from any phone. http://phone.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Oct 2 00:50:53 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 23:50:53 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Making cables ....for Alex, et al ... In-Reply-To: <20011001224033.89172.qmail@web13102.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001c14acb$860e86c0$5d5b87d9@a4s1s2> Thanks Scott. It seems odd, that such wire could be usable as an interconnect ... makes me even more intrigued and wanting to make up a length! Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Scott Johnson Sent: 01 October 2001 23:41 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Making cables ....for Alex, et al ... Magnet wire is usually single strand copper wire with enamel insulation. The enamel is usually painted on and extremely thin. Magnet wire is available from may wire manfacturers and is usually used only in inductors, transformers, motors and generators. Never heard of it used for interconnects. SJ --- ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bfvasil at mediaone.net Tue Oct 2 01:32:07 2001 From: bfvasil at mediaone.net (B. F. Vasil) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 19:32:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Making cables ....for Alex, et al ... References: <20011001224033.89172.qmail@web13102.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3BB8FCF7.696C9565@mediaone.net> The construction of this type of interconnect was described in the March/April 2001 issue of Listener magazine under DIY/ interconnects. Mapleshade Records also makes interconnects and speaker wire using the same philosophy. Below is the page ..... Bruno http://www.mapleshaderecords.com/tweaks/interconnects.html Scott Johnson wrote: > > Magnet wire is usually single strand copper wire with > enamel insulation. The enamel is usually painted on > and extremely thin. Magnet wire is available from may > wire manfacturers and is usually used only in > inductors, transformers, motors and generators. Never > heard of it used for interconnects. > > SJ > --- Graham Nelson ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Oct 2 01:55:38 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 17:55:38 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] How about a bit of fun? References: <20010930.001104.-304047.2.josephj69@juno.com> <086501c149eb$662c3540$493442cf@sank1> <3BB89DBA.40DF3EC0@concentric.net> Message-ID: <0a1d01c14ad4$92fa8ba0$493442cf@sank1> Your zip cord to monster cable comparison is analogous to comparing mud to manure. The wire in the Spectral DMA-200 & DMA-90 was in perfect condition & perfectly installed. The soundstage was dramatically improved not by anything to do with interchannel crosstalk/separation, but by a great increase in the amount of low level ambient information that was now unimpeded going from jack board to amp boards(in both amps). Spectral is well known for using very high grade components & wiring in all of their products, and the stock wire on the inputs was not crap. It was just inadequate. BTW, the DMA-90 was less than a year old when I replaced the input wiring. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] How about a bit of fun? > > Such anecdotal proofs abound. Putting my agnostic hat > on, I wonder aloud what would cause a significant, > audible difference, related to a 4" piece of wire. > > The first clue is the sound stage opening up. Let's > reason this one out. Sound stage effects are due to > difference between the L and R signals (there is no > sound stage at all when they are the same). If the > sound stage just 'opened up', that would imply that > previously, there was some leakage between the two > channels, reducing channel separation (possibly, > incorrect shielding?). If the imaging actually > improved, it would tend to indicate that distortion > or phase shift occurred in one of the channels (but not > the other), previous to the repair. > > The second clue relates to the complaint about 'bass > balance'. Again, channel balance has to do with phase > and amplitude relationships between L and R signals. > Tonal balance could be affected by poor response in > one of the channels. > > We have no more clues, but I would wonder if the amp > had a poor connection or a cold solder joint in one of > the leads that were replaced. That would neatly explain > both comments of the owner. > > But, then, you say that another amp was also improved > by replacing a piece of wire, in another location. The > implied explanation, then, is that 4" (or 8") of > properly operating wire can actually make an audible > (or even measurable) difference, for no physical reason? > > Let me offer an anecdotal story of my own. Many, many > years ago, my system consisted of a ReVox B285 driving > a pair of JBL L-65 speakers though 16AWG zip cord. The > system had been in operation for a number of years, its > sound was fading and it was time, I felt, to upgrade. > > About that time (mid 80s), the marvelous sonic effects > of speaker cables became an audiophile issue and > audiophile friends of the Believing persuasion were > telling me that I really ought to replace my speaker > cables. I finally succumbed and bought 20 ft (for both > channels) of Monster 12AWG speaker cable. I still > remember I paid 80 cents a ft (more than 4 times > what generic cable cost in H/W stores). > > I disconnected the old zip cord and connected fresh > pieces of the new cable. I then put on a disc and sat > down to listen. I didn't expect to hear any improvement > at all and was simply flabbergasted when out issued a > tremendously gorgeous sound... deeper bass, silky > smooth highs, unbelievable presence. > > I basked in The New Sound for a couple of hours before > coming to my senses and deciding that such stupendous > improvement couldn't possibly be due to speaker cables. > To verify, I decided to put the zip cords back in. It > was then that I discovered the ends were frayed and most > strands were broken -- the result of moving the speakers > around through the years without disconnecting the wires > first. I cut an inch off each end, re-stripped, re-tinned > and reconnected. Sure enough, The New Sound was still > there... I wound up reconnecting back and forth and was > quickly convinced that the Monster cables were sonically > identical to the smaller gauge zip cords. > > This is the kind of experience that would make an Atheist > out of the staunchest Believer... > > -- Ron > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > Here is a great argument FOR high grade interconnects: > > Amplifier: Spectral DMA-200 > > Client: Blind. I mean actually blind. > > Client was not quite happy with his amp, as he said it took an hour or so > > for the "bass balance to be right" & he thought it could be better in > > general. I said, "Let me go do one little thing to it". I came back to his > > house the next day with the amp. Connected it, turned it on, right away > > played a CD of the client's. Client says within a minute, "Holy shit!", > > then describes how the bass problem is cured, plus how the soundstage had > > opened up like he had never heard before. He asked me what I had done to > > it. > > I had replaced 4 inches of interconnect cable on each channel. The cable > > between the input jack board & the amp boards. The original was some very > > respectable looking twisted pair shielded cable. I had replaced it with the > > silver-clad, high purity copper, shielded LAT IC-200 interconnect. 4 inches > > per channel. Exactly the same results I had achieved a week or two earlier > > on a friend's Spectral DMA-90 with about 8 inches of wire per channel. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2001 10:08 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] How about a bit of fun? > > > > > My favorite has to be Shakti stones. I don't think anything can top > > > those. > > > > > > A close second is high end interconnect cables in general. Don't people > > > realize that most EVERY interconnect company out there buys $2 worth of > > > cable, $8 worth of connectors, then charges an assinine price for the end > > > result? > > > > > > - Joe > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 29 Sep 2001 18:44:47 +0100 "Graham Nelson" > > > writes: > > > How about listing and commenting on your "favourite" hi fi mythology or > > > snake oil? > > > > > > F'example, any comments on ... > > > > > > > > > - Densen DeMagic CD "...All electronic parts ... contain a small > > > amount of magnets. Due to DC leakage from all electronic equipment these > > > magnets will gradually be orientated in one direction.... (this ) > > > ...lowers the quality of the reproduced sound. DeMagic sends a series of > > > algorithm signals through your system which relocates the magnets and > > > thereby breaks the magnetic field and its negative effects on sound..." > > > > > > - the Cardias Frequency Sweep record that, amongst many things, is > > > supposed to ".... ultrasonically clean the cartridge stylus and degauss > > > the entire system..." > > > > > > - The green pen .... > > > > > > - The Shun Moon Kable Tree ... "...place any AC cable, cord, speaker > > > cable or interconnect in the slot....Put the small wooden bar across the > > > top of the conductor then listen to the improvement to your sound..." A > > > steal at only �194.95 each?!! > > > > > > - Esoteric mains cables chords > > > > > > - Anti static mats for CDs > > > > > > - RF stoppers (those little clamps that go around the cable, which > > > Audioquest sell from an amazing �42.50 for a set of 8 - I'm sure > > > RadioShack sell 'em for much less.) (Someone gave me some - > > > personally, I don't think they do anything!) > > > > > > Does anyone out there have any of these products? They ARE snake oil, > > > aren't they? > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Oct 2 01:56:53 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 17:56:53 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Op amp vdd / vss References: <003801c13d10$412688a0$42d60192@vsnl> <001801c148f1$ea978000$1c289bca@smarzuki> <001501c149c7$cde45f60$e4289bca@smarzuki> <3BB89F29.2D27C942@concentric.net> Message-ID: <0a2501c14ad4$bf5622e0$493442cf@sank1> The 482 already has single ended biasing & DC decoupling components on all op amp stages, so no worries. Should be "plug & play". Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Op amp vdd / vss > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > Kannan / Stephen / all, > > > > Is it okay to power an opamp using +24V and gnd instead of +/-12 V ? I ... > > believe they're the same, but some assurance would be really appreciated. > > Can't find -12V point on 482 (but of course I didn't check every point :-) > > > > Thanks in advance, > > Salim SM > > > > It's OK, provided the inputs are referenced to +12V. > The output will ride on +12V as well. > > You can generate +12V reference using a resistor, 12V > Zener diode and an electrolytic cap. Current requirement > is tiny. You can AC couple the output to get rid of the > DC component. > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Oct 2 02:05:18 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 18:05:18 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] How about a bit of fun?re:Adcom 555 References: Message-ID: <0a3701c14ad5$ec44b5e0$493442cf@sank1> The most significant thing you can fairly easily do for a 555 is to increase the size of the main power supply filter capacitors. Go as high in ufd value as will physically fit, keeping the rated voltage the same or higher. It's easiest to replace the existing caps, but you could also, with some creative hardware & wiring adaptation, supplement the existing caps. The next thing to do, and about as far as I would go with a 555, is to add in parallel with each main filter cap a large polypropylene film capacitor(in this type of cap, 20ufd is large, but the larger the better) from Solen, SCR/Axon, or Relcap/Multicap. The first step above will solidify the wimpy bass & likely drop the noise floor. The second step will smooth out the highs & general "un-muddle" the mids & highs. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cagann" To: Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 11:22 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] How about a bit of fun? > On this cable issue....I like to do things myself when I can. So, anyone > have any recommendations on how to make some really good interconnect and > speaker cable? Materials and wire to utilize for the best quality? > > Oh, and one more thing...Stephen and others- are there some simple upgrades > I can do to my Adcom 555 amps until I upgrade? I am very good with a > soldering iron :-) > > Alex Cagann > AUTO CONSORTIUM > http://members.rennlist.com/autoconsortium > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Who knows one opamp could bring the '582' out of this lowly deck. :-) Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 6:56 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Op amp vdd / vss > The 482 already has single ended biasing & DC decoupling components on all > op amp stages, so no worries. Should be "plug & play". > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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You'll find it > in the RadioShack catalogue, sold in spools. > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Jim Volpatti > Sent: 01 October 2001 23:25 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Making cables ....for Alex, et al ... > > Please excuse my ignorance but what is magnet wire? > > Jim Volpatti > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > Alex > > > > This is the recipe that was given to me - I forget the guy's name - he was > > selling some gear I was interested in on e-Bay, I think. I've since tried > > making some interconnects but not using the RadioShack magnet wire as > > specified because it doesn't seem to be available over here in the UK. > > Otherwise, I'd like to try making them with this stuff to see what it can > > do! > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Tue Oct 2 02:47:49 2001 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 20:47:49 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: stock Moscode 300 vs. Counterpoint SA-100 Message-ID: <20011001.210215.-204829.4.josephj69@juno.com> Stephen, How would you rate a Counterpoint SA-100 (or SA-12) against the stock Moscode 300? I guess the Moscode would be a better investment because I could modify it later on, but if both were stock, which way would you go? I only ask because I've gotten a very strong recommendation for the Counterpoints. - Joe On Mon, 1 Oct 2001 00:43:25 -0600 "Stephen Sank" writes: > The price range I quoted is including the stock amp, assuming I have > one to > modify, which I currently do(have one 300 & one 600). So, one > would > subtract about $450 if one has a stock 300 already. > The stock Moscode amps are quite good, but not in any way > spectacular. > About as good as a stock PA-7AII. A little more veiled sound, but > with more > 3 dimensionality. Usually had very noisy resistors in the tube > stages, so > most are fairly noisy in stock form. Pretty darn quite after mods. > In regard to Ed's question about how cool the amps run: Because > the > fundamental circuit design is excellent, the MOSFET's don't need to > be > high-biased to sound good. But, if it ain't getting good & hot > after > playing loud for a while, you ain't playin' it loud enough! > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kannan. S" > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 11:46 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Second that Emotion on Stephen's > Moscode! > > > > Few things about Moscode rebuild I thought would ask - Do you have > number > of > > Moscodes ( 300 ) available with you for anybody wanting it or > potential > > customer should have it for you to modify the same ( one has to > source a > > second hand moscode for you to modify)? And the cost indicated is > for only > > modifying an existing moscode? > > > > Other than costs - I suspect the basic Amp itself should be based > on sound > > design and compnent qualities as well as good drive capabilities > - > > Stephen > > what is your openion on basic moscode amps themselves? > > Kannan > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stephen Sank > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Date: Sunday, September 30, 2001 6:14 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Second that Emotion on Stephen's > Moscode! > > > > > > >My rebuilt Moscode 300's run $1300-1600 or so, depending on how > much you > > >want the last few percentage points of potential sonic benefit. > And, > yes, > > I > > >agree. The Krell preamp will definitely benefit from having > tube > following > > >it. > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > >http://stephensank.com > > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > >- > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > ======= > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Tue Oct 2 05:33:10 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 23:33:10 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Making cables ....for Alex, et al ... References: <000001c14acb$860e86c0$5d5b87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3BB9356E.D6CD9AC@snet.net> Would you need to be concerned with the enamel wearing thin (or off) due to the effects of exposure and rubbing. Ed Graham Nelson wrote: > Thanks Scott. > > It seems odd, that such wire could be usable as an interconnect ... makes me > even more intrigued and wanting to make up a length! > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Scott Johnson > Sent: 01 October 2001 23:41 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Making cables ....for Alex, et al ... > > Magnet wire is usually single strand copper wire with > enamel insulation. The enamel is usually painted on > and extremely thin. Magnet wire is available from may > wire manfacturers and is usually used only in > inductors, transformers, motors and generators. Never > heard of it used for interconnects. > > SJ > --- > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Tue Oct 2 05:45:17 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 23:45:17 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: stock Moscode 300 vs. Counterpoint SA-100 References: <20011001.210215.-204829.4.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <3BB93845.B9C10BFF@snet.net> Hi Joe, Funny you should ask as I owned the SA-12 and now own the modified Moscode. I found the Counterpoint to be a nice amp... a little slow and hazy with some general mist veiling the highs. The Counterpoint was also a bit of a lightweight in terms of power. It had the watts on paper, but never seemed to be able to quite carry the bottom with sufficient heft. Don't get me wrong... it was a nice amp and excelled at thowing up a really musical and engaging soundstage, but over time you notice the weaknesses (as with any component). Stephen's comments about the stock Moscode seem to indicate that it may not be too far from the Counterpoint... although he'll point out poor engineering of the driver section of the Counterpoint. The Moscode has more modification potential and can be made to sound pretty much world class with some work... I'm not sure that the Counterpoint can (although the designer offers a current full re-design which uses bipolar outputs). The big problem with Counterpoint is the alarming number of stories of their amps literally blowing up. While mine worked great the reputation is that they're not the most stable amp around. Ed josephj69 at juno.com wrote: > Stephen, > > How would you rate a Counterpoint SA-100 (or SA-12) against the stock > Moscode 300? > > I guess the Moscode would be a better investment because I could modify > it later on, but if both were stock, which way would you go? > > I only ask because I've gotten a very strong recommendation for the > Counterpoints. > > - Joe > > On Mon, 1 Oct 2001 00:43:25 -0600 "Stephen Sank" > writes: > > The price range I quoted is including the stock amp, assuming I have > > one to > > modify, which I currently do(have one 300 & one 600). So, one > > would > > subtract about $450 if one has a stock 300 already. > > The stock Moscode amps are quite good, but not in any way > > spectacular. > > About as good as a stock PA-7AII. A little more veiled sound, but > > with more > > 3 dimensionality. Usually had very noisy resistors in the tube > > stages, so > > most are fairly noisy in stock form. Pretty darn quite after mods. > > In regard to Ed's question about how cool the amps run: Because > > the > > fundamental circuit design is excellent, the MOSFET's don't need to > > be > > high-biased to sound good. But, if it ain't getting good & hot > > after > > playing loud for a while, you ain't playin' it loud enough! > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kannan. S" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 11:46 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Second that Emotion on Stephen's > > Moscode! > > > > > > > Few things about Moscode rebuild I thought would ask - Do you have > > number > > of > > > Moscodes ( 300 ) available with you for anybody wanting it or > > potential > > > customer should have it for you to modify the same ( one has to > > source a > > > second hand moscode for you to modify)? And the cost indicated is > > for only > > > modifying an existing moscode? > > > > > > Other than costs - I suspect the basic Amp itself should be based > > on sound > > > design and compnent qualities as well as good drive capabilities > > - > > > Stephen > > > what is your openion on basic moscode amps themselves? > > > Kannan > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Stephen Sank > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Date: Sunday, September 30, 2001 6:14 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Second that Emotion on Stephen's > > Moscode! > > > > > > > > > >My rebuilt Moscode 300's run $1300-1600 or so, depending on how > > much you > > > >want the last few percentage points of potential sonic benefit. > > And, > > yes, > > > I > > > >agree. The Krell preamp will definitely benefit from having > > tube > > following > > > >it. > > > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > >http://stephensank.com > > > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > >- > > > > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -========= > > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Tue Oct 2 05:32:48 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 09:02:48 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] DVDs??? Message-ID: <00a201c14af2$e89f9c80$42d60192@vsnl> I would agree with Ron on this - unless you want to throw the DVD player next year and wouldn't mind that 99$ spending for an year of DVD playing! These chinese player may stop playing after an year like my Philips iscman( made in China) stopped after an year and its buttons do not work after 8 months! Ofcourse i replaced the CDM12.3 mechanism at 14$ and now it is working - god knows how many more months. kannan -----Original Message----- From: Ron To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Monday, October 01, 2001 9:23 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] DVDs??? >I never buy the bottom end of anything and certainly >wouldn't recommend $99 DVD players. These usually >come from fringe manufacturers (Oritron, Apex, etc.). >Likewise, I would stay away from Sony and Toshiba >(good performance, but reliability sucks. Customer >support is even worse). Beware the 90 day warranty >-- 1 year parts and labour should be your minimum. > >OTOH, spending $300 plus for a player that will connect >to a small screen mono TV is a waste of money. While >players do not image and sound the same, you will not >be able to appreciate $1000 player over a $100 unless >it's connected in a system of corresponding quality. > >Consider the lowest cost Pioneer player, at about $180 >mail order. It's probably an overkill for someone that >doesn't care about picture and audio quality, but is >reasonably reliable and will serve well in the event >you eventually obtain a better TV and/or an HT sound >system. > >Good luck, > >-- Ron > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Tue Oct 2 05:37:10 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 09:07:10 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Op amp vdd / vss Message-ID: <00a701c14af3$84fa7780$42d60192@vsnl> You got the answer from Ron and Stephen. Take care to study similar arrangement in 480 circuit. You may have to use AC coupling on both input as well as out put. I think you may not get any sonic benefit using OP275 in such an arrangement I guess( so better stop with 4558 opamp). Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Salim Marzuki To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Monday, October 01, 2001 10:07 PM Subject: [naktalk] Op amp vdd / vss > >Kannan / Stephen / all, > >Is it okay to power an opamp using +24V and gnd instead of +/-12 V ? I ... >believe they're the same, but some assurance would be really appreciated. >Can't find -12V point on 482 (but of course I didn't check every point :-) > >Thanks in advance, >Salim SM > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Tue Oct 2 05:59:54 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 09:29:54 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] How about a bit of fun? Message-ID: <00b001c14af6$b1ff66c0$42d60192@vsnl> Splendid! and well said Neal. I do not easily believe that cables can be a reason for huge difference in sound. But being a metallurgical engineer - I know that purity of metals like Copper / Silver/ Gold or any such conducting metals play a role in conductivity. Also prior treatments - like we say wire drawing and annealing treatments for getting the wire to shape play a significant effects on atomic structures and hence their physical properties like electrical/ thermal conductivity and hardnes etc. Some of the reason for OFC ( oxygen free copper - as tiny amount of Oxygen in the form of Copper oxide -seen on metallurgical microscope- can affect Electrical conductivity significantly) being used in audio cables/ catridges / magnetic heads are basically proven scientifically to be better than ordinary Copper. I also feel some people hear tiny variations in some sounds than the other. While the other humans may be more affected by distortion more than the earlier referenced persons. So sound perception is somehow subjective and at the same time to be accepted as is. Since Nakamichi decks themselves example of producing wonderful sound comparing to its compettitors products of almost equal specifications. So I have decided to try out some of the affordable ( Neal can afford a different scale!) tweaks and hear for myself what could be true. Still it is worthwhile asking many in this or similar forum as tweaks cost real money! And hopefully I can taste those $$$$ wine as well sometime in future!!!! Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Neal Walker To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Date: Monday, October 01, 2001 4:25 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] How about a bit of fun? >We wouldn't be on this site if we thought we couldn't hear the difference >even by doing little things. Hence my sceptisism in the guy who says he >can't tell the difference between his $250 yamaha cd player and the $4000 >krell. hang i made the decision on which cd player to buy based on >differences in sound and so does everyone else. what people are really >saying is that some of these tweeks , components are over priced.....but >that is a different story. > >its like fine wine my other passion, people always tell me that i am crazy >to drink this fancy french stuff at $$$ and that a $6 bottle is just as good >but when i give them a sip of what i'm having they soon change their tune. >that doesn't mean they are going to be buying lafite as their daily drinking >wine any time soon. > >sometimes people who spend the fortune on wine and hi-fi are foolish but if >you are wealthy enough and it gives you pleasure then go ahead. > >cheers, skol, prost >neal ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 2 07:15:58 2001 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 22:15:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Magnet wire enamel In-Reply-To: <3BB9356E.D6CD9AC@snet.net> Message-ID: <20011002051558.97228.qmail@web13106.mail.yahoo.com> Ed, Rubbing through the enamel is a problem. In cases were vibration or thermal cycling will be common the windings are potted or glued together to prevent any rubbing. If two wires rub through the enamel and short, it's all over. Whatever it is, be it a transformer, inductor, motor, generator or speaker that's it, it's bad. SJ --- Ed Noyes wrote: > Would you need to be concerned with the enamel > wearing thin (or off) due to the > effects of exposure and rubbing. > > Ed > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > Thanks Scott. > > > > It seems odd, that such wire could be usable as an > interconnect ... makes me > > even more intrigued and wanting to make up a > length! > > > > Graham > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Scott Johnson > > Sent: 01 October 2001 23:41 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Making cables ....for Alex, > et al ... > > > > Magnet wire is usually single strand copper wire > with > > enamel insulation. The enamel is usually painted > on > > and extremely thin. Magnet wire is available from > may > > wire manfacturers and is usually used only in > > inductors, transformers, motors and generators. > Never > > heard of it used for interconnects. > > > > SJ > > --- > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Listen to your Yahoo! Mail messages from any phone. http://phone.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kurtis.bahr at lmco.com Tue Oct 2 15:46:17 2001 From: kurtis.bahr at lmco.com (Bahr, Kurtis) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 09:46:17 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Op amp vdd / vss Message-ID: <0C73AA5F720CD311AC2A0008C7DBA9B403BC9742@emss09m13.ems.lmco.com> In my experience, driving the 4558 to the limits, the 4558 with distort the pin point accuracy of the image in the sound field (focus can get smeared with the right conditions). The 4560, OP275 and OPA-2604 are much better. I prefer the OPA-2604 due to it's JFET design. Kurtis > -----Original Message----- > From: Kannan. S [SMTP:kannan_s at vsnl.com] > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 11:37 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Op amp vdd / vss > > You got the answer from Ron and Stephen. Take care to study similar > arrangement in 480 circuit. You may have to use AC coupling on both input > as > well as out put. I think you may not get any sonic benefit using OP275 in > such an arrangement I guess( so better stop with 4558 opamp). > Kannan > -----Original Message----- > From: Salim Marzuki > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Monday, October 01, 2001 10:07 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Op amp vdd / vss > > > > > >Kannan / Stephen / all, > > > >Is it okay to power an opamp using +24V and gnd instead of +/-12 V ? I > ... > >believe they're the same, but some assurance would be really appreciated. > >Can't find -12V point on 482 (but of course I didn't check every point > :-) > > > >Thanks in advance, > >Salim SM > > > > > >========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -= > ======== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -= > ======== > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Tue Oct 2 16:17:01 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 10:17:01 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] How about a bit of fun? References: <20010930.001104.-304047.2.josephj69@juno.com> <086501c149eb$662c3540$493442cf@sank1> <3BB89DBA.40DF3EC0@concentric.net> <0a1d01c14ad4$92fa8ba0$493442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3BB9CC5D.89F29B8A@concentric.net> Stephen Sank wrote: > > [...] > The soundstage was dramatically improved not by > anything to do with interchannel crosstalk/separation, but by a great > increase in the amount of low level ambient information that was now > unimpeded going from jack board to amp boards(in both amps). I am curious what, in the cheap wire, can impede low level information. I am asking because, AFAIK, a few inches of wire do not impede *any* signal, regardless of level. The wire simply behaves as a complex R-C-L network, with all three components values at *extremely* close to zero. Is there some other attribute of wire the engineers overlook? -- Ron Spectral is > well known for using very high grade components & wiring in all of their > products, and the stock wire on the inputs was not crap. It was just > inadequate. BTW, the DMA-90 was less than a year old when I replaced the > input wiring. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 10:45 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] How about a bit of fun? > > > > > Such anecdotal proofs abound. Putting my agnostic hat > > on, I wonder aloud what would cause a significant, > > audible difference, related to a 4" piece of wire. > > > > The first clue is the sound stage opening up. Let's > > reason this one out. Sound stage effects are due to > > difference between the L and R signals (there is no > > sound stage at all when they are the same). If the > > sound stage just 'opened up', that would imply that > > previously, there was some leakage between the two > > channels, reducing channel separation (possibly, > > incorrect shielding?). If the imaging actually > > improved, it would tend to indicate that distortion > > or phase shift occurred in one of the channels (but not > > the other), previous to the repair. > > > > The second clue relates to the complaint about 'bass > > balance'. Again, channel balance has to do with phase > > and amplitude relationships between L and R signals. > > Tonal balance could be affected by poor response in > > one of the channels. > > > > We have no more clues, but I would wonder if the amp > > had a poor connection or a cold solder joint in one of > > the leads that were replaced. That would neatly explain > > both comments of the owner. > > > > But, then, you say that another amp was also improved > > by replacing a piece of wire, in another location. The > > implied explanation, then, is that 4" (or 8") of > > properly operating wire can actually make an audible > > (or even measurable) difference, for no physical reason? > > > > Let me offer an anecdotal story of my own. Many, many > > years ago, my system consisted of a ReVox B285 driving > > a pair of JBL L-65 speakers though 16AWG zip cord. The > > system had been in operation for a number of years, its > > sound was fading and it was time, I felt, to upgrade. > > > > About that time (mid 80s), the marvelous sonic effects > > of speaker cables became an audiophile issue and > > audiophile friends of the Believing persuasion were > > telling me that I really ought to replace my speaker > > cables. I finally succumbed and bought 20 ft (for both > > channels) of Monster 12AWG speaker cable. I still > > remember I paid 80 cents a ft (more than 4 times > > what generic cable cost in H/W stores). > > > > I disconnected the old zip cord and connected fresh > > pieces of the new cable. I then put on a disc and sat > > down to listen. I didn't expect to hear any improvement > > at all and was simply flabbergasted when out issued a > > tremendously gorgeous sound... deeper bass, silky > > smooth highs, unbelievable presence. > > > > I basked in The New Sound for a couple of hours before > > coming to my senses and deciding that such stupendous > > improvement couldn't possibly be due to speaker cables. > > To verify, I decided to put the zip cords back in. It > > was then that I discovered the ends were frayed and most > > strands were broken -- the result of moving the speakers > > around through the years without disconnecting the wires > > first. I cut an inch off each end, re-stripped, re-tinned > > and reconnected. Sure enough, The New Sound was still > > there... I wound up reconnecting back and forth and was > > quickly convinced that the Monster cables were sonically > > identical to the smaller gauge zip cords. > > > > This is the kind of experience that would make an Atheist > > out of the staunchest Believer... > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > Here is a great argument FOR high grade interconnects: > > > Amplifier: Spectral DMA-200 > > > Client: Blind. I mean actually blind. > > > Client was not quite happy with his amp, as he said it took an hour or > so > > > for the "bass balance to be right" & he thought it could be better in > > > general. I said, "Let me go do one little thing to it". I came back to > his > > > house the next day with the amp. Connected it, turned it on, right away > > > played a CD of the client's. Client says within a minute, "Holy shit!", > > > then describes how the bass problem is cured, plus how the soundstage > had > > > opened up like he had never heard before. He asked me what I had done > to > > > it. > > > I had replaced 4 inches of interconnect cable on each channel. The > cable > > > between the input jack board & the amp boards. The original was some > very > > > respectable looking twisted pair shielded cable. I had replaced it with > the > > > silver-clad, high purity copper, shielded LAT IC-200 interconnect. 4 > inches > > > per channel. Exactly the same results I had achieved a week or two > earlier > > > on a friend's Spectral DMA-90 with about 8 inches of wire per channel. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2001 10:08 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] How about a bit of fun? > > > > > > > My favorite has to be Shakti stones. I don't think anything can top > > > > those. > > > > > > > > A close second is high end interconnect cables in general. Don't > people > > > > realize that most EVERY interconnect company out there buys $2 worth > of > > > > cable, $8 worth of connectors, then charges an assinine price for the > end > > > > result? > > > > > > > > - Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 29 Sep 2001 18:44:47 +0100 "Graham Nelson" > > > > writes: > > > > How about listing and commenting on your "favourite" hi fi mythology > or > > > > snake oil? > > > > > > > > F'example, any comments on ... > > > > > > > > > > > > - Densen DeMagic CD "...All electronic parts ... contain a small > > > > amount of magnets. Due to DC leakage from all electronic equipment > these > > > > magnets will gradually be orientated in one direction.... (this ) > > > > ...lowers the quality of the reproduced sound. DeMagic sends a series > of > > > > algorithm signals through your system which relocates the magnets and > > > > thereby breaks the magnetic field and its negative effects on > sound..." > > > > > > > > - the Cardias Frequency Sweep record that, amongst many things, is > > > > supposed to ".... ultrasonically clean the cartridge stylus and > degauss > > > > the entire system..." > > > > > > > > - The green pen .... > > > > > > > > - The Shun Moon Kable Tree ... "...place any AC cable, cord, speaker > > > > cable or interconnect in the slot....Put the small wooden bar across > the > > > > top of the conductor then listen to the improvement to your sound..." > A > > > > steal at only £194.95 each?!! > > > > > > > > - Esoteric mains cables chords > > > > > > > > - Anti static mats for CDs > > > > > > > > - RF stoppers (those little clamps that go around the cable, which > > > > Audioquest sell from an amazing £42.50 for a set of 8 - I'm sure > > > > RadioShack sell 'em for much less.) (Someone gave me some - > > > > personally, I don't think they do anything!) > > > > > > > > Does anyone out there have any of these products? They ARE snake oil, > > > > aren't they? ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Tue Oct 2 17:03:00 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 17:03:00 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Pinch Roller problem Message-ID: Hi Stephen & all, My LX-3 supply pinch roller do not give sufficient pressure on the capstan, I can stop it by hand & when I clean it with water based solution (from Teac), it slips even more and the cotton swab stop it frankly. Of course, this behaviour have effect on sound, the tape tension get off after ~20 sec. Does it exist any way to adjust/repair it in an other way that replacement of the pinch ? And I must say that the pinch roller arm is not affected by hardened grease, and that the pinch roller don't looks worn up. In addition, know that I have never readjusted the capstan motor speed, however it absolutely needs it, as it run too fast. Does it can fix the tape tension thing, to bring the capstan motor to the right speed ? (... I don't think so) Regards, Matyas ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Tue Oct 2 17:22:39 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 17:22:39 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi MR-1 Message-ID: If anyone is interested by the schematics diagram of the MR-1, let me know your address during a week. Then I will send it to you. (2 Mo) Matyas ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From eddy.pollet at pandora.be Tue Oct 2 18:17:42 2001 From: eddy.pollet at pandora.be (POLLET Eddy) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 18:17:42 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #1386 In-Reply-To: <200110021436.QAA11708@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: > Ron wrote : > > I am asking because, AFAIK, a few inches of wire do > not impede *any* signal, regardless of level. The wire > simply behaves as a complex R-C-L network, with all > three components values at *extremely* close to zero. > Is there some other attribute of wire the engineers > overlook? > This thing about cables is fascinating :-) I don't see any other values than R-C-L playing a role, but it could be that they're not constants, but function of frequency, current, voltage or whatever . They certainly are a function of temperature, but I don't think that the few degrees of potential difference in room temperature will make an audible difference . OTOH, since Stephen's mods were before amplification (if I understood it correctly) it isn't to be excluded that a small difference becomes audible when seriously amplified . Personally, I would suggest that the people with the knowledge and the equipment try to find a way to measure the potential differences between cables ... Eddy ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Tue Oct 2 19:15:18 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 19:15:18 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] How about a bit of fun? References: <086501c149eb$662c3540$493442cf@sank1> Message-ID: Hi Stephen, I had no expirience with LAT (we do not have their wires here anyway), but I had similar expirience with my own amp (sorry guys, I'm not blind ;-). It was tube amp, PP on 6A3, driven through interstage transformer, without total NFB, witout any caps in soundpath (fixed bias) and so on. What I did - I replaced several pieces of cooper wire in soundpath (total about 15 sm per channel) with... same kind of wire - 1 mm cooper wire but it was used in coil of Telefunken radio, dated mid 30-th. (no, I didn't cannibalise such a radio) The result was more than obivious! So, I KNOW that cables has their own sound and has a great effect! I simply heard it ;-) Misha >I had replaced 4 inches of interconnect cable on each channel. The cable >between the input jack board & the amp boards. The original was some very >respectable looking twisted pair shielded cable. I had replaced it with the >silver-clad, high purity copper, shielded LAT IC-200 interconnect. 4 inches >per channel. Exactly the same results I had achieved a week or two earlier >on a friend's Spectral DMA-90 with about 8 inches of wire per channel. > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://stephensank.com >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Tue Oct 2 18:43:36 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 12:43:36 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #1386 References: Message-ID: <3BB9EEB8.A31A17CB@concentric.net> POLLET Eddy wrote: > > > Ron wrote : > > > > I am asking because, AFAIK, a few inches of wire do > > not impede *any* signal, regardless of level. The wire > > simply behaves as a complex R-C-L network, with all > > three components values at *extremely* close to zero. > > Is there some other attribute of wire the engineers > > overlook? > > > > This thing about cables is fascinating :-) > I don't see any other values than R-C-L playing a role, but it could be that > they're not constants, but function of frequency, current, voltage or > whatever . R is a function of frequency, due to skin effect, which is immaterial at audio frequencies. R is also affected by temperature -- very slightly at room temperatures. Both effects are identical in any copper wire of the same gauge, regardless whether generic or high-end. C depends on the dielectric constant of the insulation, but in hook up applications it's very small (probably, a fraction of a pF in a 4" piece). Besides, i do not see how it can affect low level signals differently than high level ones. L of 4" of wire is on the verge of immeasurable. It would be the same for any wire, generic or otherwise. Any metallic wire is extremely linear. This is why I raised the question in the first place. What's in the LAT wire that's different from generic wire? -- Ron > They certainly are a function of temperature, but I don't think > that the few degrees of potential difference in room temperature will make > an audible difference . > OTOH, since Stephen's mods were before amplification (if I understood it > correctly) it isn't to be excluded that a small difference becomes audible > when seriously amplified. > Personally, I would suggest that the people with the knowledge and the > equipment try to find a way to measure the potential differences between > cables ... > > Eddy > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Oct 2 19:47:13 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 18:47:13 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] How about a bit of fun? In-Reply-To: <00b001c14af6$b1ff66c0$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: <000001c14b6a$44d4d520$646e87d9@a4s1s2> Kannan said: "I also feel some people hear tiny variations in some sounds than the other. While the other humans may be more affected by distortion more than the earlier referenced persons. So sound perception is somehow subjective and at the same time to be accepted as is." We do read much scepticism about what people can and cannot hear. Personally, I like to keep an open mind as I have been very surprised in the past at what senses people can, and do, develop to a point that are far more acute than the majority of people have. This suggests to me that there is much latent ability within all of us that we may simple not develop for want of practise. Whilst I accept Ron's view that many people are "suggestible" and may (esp. under circumstances of a non-blind A-B test) be persuaded they can hear something that is not real, I also believe others may well be able to detect real differences in, say, cables where other may not. To give an extreme example, people who are deprived of a sense usually develop something else to a degree that is much sharper than most other people; blind people, for example, often have a better developed sense of hearing that people who can see and hear. That may sound obvious but there are some instances which seem more like magic than science! For example, I know a totally blind and deaf guy who can tell if you are happy or sad just by feeling your hand. I watched him ask a friend how she was. "Great," she replied. "Liar," he responded, "I can feel you are depressed. What is the matter?" One might ask what the Hell is he sensing by touch! Presumably it's touch. But then, is it? If it is, what is it he can feel that tells him someone's mood? If it isn't touch, what is it? Intuition? No one can measure intuition, can they? On the other hand, I have also seen experiments with hypnosis, even had some of them done on me. When the hypnotist says "smell the (imaginary) rose, you smell a rose! When it is suggested that the cold coin put in your hand is hot, it hurts and can even blister the skin. (Likewise, when you are told the hot coin placed in your hand is cold it does not hurt and the skin does not blister.) So, yes - the power of suggestion is very very powerful. Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Oct 2 19:56:07 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 11:56:07 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Pinch Roller problem References: Message-ID: <0c2c01c14b6b$83a691c0$493442cf@sank1> If you look from the bottom edge of the front of the mech, is the slide plate that the roller arm springs are attached to clearing the arm projections in play/rec mode? In other words, is it pulling full spring tension? If so, is the spring on that arm in good shape? Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matyas" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 9:03 AM Subject: [naktalk] Pinch Roller problem > Hi Stephen & all, > My LX-3 supply pinch roller do not give sufficient pressure on the > capstan, I can stop it by hand & when I clean it with water based solution > (from Teac), it slips even more and the cotton swab stop it frankly. > > Of course, this behaviour have effect on sound, the tape tension get off > after ~20 sec. > Does it exist any way to adjust/repair it in an other way that > replacement of the pinch ? > > And I must say that the pinch roller arm is not affected by hardened grease, > and that the pinch roller don't looks worn up. > > In addition, know that I have never readjusted the capstan motor speed, > however it absolutely needs it, as it run too fast. Does it can fix the tape > tension thing, to bring the capstan motor to the right speed ? > (... I don't think so) > > Regards, Matyas > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Tue Oct 2 20:24:57 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 14:24:57 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Making cables ....the ultimate link list.. References: <000001c14acb$860e86c0$5d5b87d9@a4s1s2> <3BB9356E.D6CD9AC@snet.net> Message-ID: <007d01c14b6f$8a741140$49ea3fd0@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Noyes" To: Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 11:33 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Making cables ....for Alex, et al ... > Would you need to be concerned with the enamel wearing thin (or off) due to the > effects of exposure and rubbing. > > Ed > Well not really the enamel is fairly tough and most instructions suggest that you use packing tape or other wide clear tapes as insulation. You should be able to get magnet wireat any decent electronics shop. you can also get silver wire in the same form but unvarnished if you want to try cheap solid silver interconects. some links for you to try from gizmo's site http://meta-gizmo.com/Tri/Dancing/DrG_silverT.html this includes the info for the silver wire oh and here Harvey describes his moscodes http://meta-gizmo.com/Tri/nyal/moscode.html for properties of copper etc. http://www.connector.org/ John Risch has tried to explain why cables make a difference more than anyone else on the net (also includes diy info) http://www.geocities.com/jonrisch/ and this post includes a complete bibliography and further websites http://www.AudioAsylum.com/audio/cables/messages/27322.html and don't forget belden's website www.belden.com finaly want to have fun and read neat cable patents start here http://www.uspto.gov/patft/index.html Have fun Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Wed Oct 3 00:14:19 2001 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 08:14:19 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi MR-1 Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365A7B@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> HI Matyas, Yes I'm interested in obtaining schematics of the MR-1. Are you referring to my e-mail address or postal address? Regards Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Matyas [mailto:Nakamikaze at hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, 3 October 2001 1:23 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi MR-1 If anyone is interested by the schematics diagram of the MR-1, let me know your address during a week. Then I will send it to you. (2 Mo) Matyas ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ken.lee at rmit.edu.au Wed Oct 3 00:27:35 2001 From: ken.lee at rmit.edu.au (Ken Lee) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 09:27:35 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Op Amps. Message-ID: Some interesting comparisons between various op amps (including the OP275) can be viewed at http//www.Icaudio.com/ad825.htm regards ken ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Oct 2 03:01:16 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 08:01:16 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Op amp vdd / vss References: <00a701c14af3$84fa7780$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: <002101c14ade$1c735480$d8289bca@smarzuki> Hi Ron, Kannan, Stephen, Kurtis n all, Ooops sorry Ron, I missed your reply first time. I must admit I'm totally incompetent at this 'beyond soldering gun' thing. I put in 4558 circuit copyed from 582's schematic .... got 23V DC with none of 1V AC on the output ! :-( Adding 47K resistor between path and ground after the output cap got rid of the DC but still only 15 mV ac output (0db 400hz homemade tape) . I guess this relates to the input reference voltage on Ron's reply. I tried both 12v and 24v voltage source with similar result. Didn't expect adding opamp could be this hard, what an embarassing situation. Using opamp following deck's line output should be ok (especially with its own PS :-) but I'd like to implement 582's line amp and use it straight next to 100mv TP101 / after 482's pb eq amp. I'd better stop this built-your-own-naks thing .... finally, thanks for the replies ! Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kannan. S" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Op amp vdd / vss > You got the answer from Ron and Stephen. Take care to study similar > arrangement in 480 circuit. You may have to use AC coupling on both input as > well as out put. I think you may not get any sonic benefit using OP275 in > such an arrangement I guess( so better stop with 4558 opamp). > Kannan > -----Original Message----- > From: Salim Marzuki > To: naktalk at naks.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Wed Oct 3 05:46:02 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 09:16:02 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Pinch Roller problem Message-ID: <005901c14bbd$ec4c2580$42d60192@vsnl> Stephen/ Matyas I also noticed hardened grease in the sliding plate parts that pull these springs in my 582. I had removed the grease and also replaced the pinch rollars. Matyas can try to remove those hardening grease first ! kannan -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Sank To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 11:59 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pinch Roller problem >If you look from the bottom edge of the front of the mech, is the slide >plate that the roller arm springs are attached to clearing the arm >projections in play/rec mode? In other words, is it pulling full spring >tension? If so, is the spring on that arm in good shape? > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://stephensank.com >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Matyas" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 9:03 AM >Subject: [naktalk] Pinch Roller problem > > >> Hi Stephen & all, >> My LX-3 supply pinch roller do not give sufficient pressure on the >> capstan, I can stop it by hand & when I clean it with water based solution >> (from Teac), it slips even more and the cotton swab stop it frankly. >> >> Of course, this behaviour have effect on sound, the tape tension get off >> after ~20 sec. >> Does it exist any way to adjust/repair it in an other way that >> replacement of the pinch ? >> >> And I must say that the pinch roller arm is not affected by hardened >grease, >> and that the pinch roller don't looks worn up. >> >> In addition, know that I have never readjusted the capstan motor speed, >> however it absolutely needs it, as it run too fast. Does it can fix the >tape >> tension thing, to bring the capstan motor to the right speed ? >> (... I don't think so) >> >> Regards, Matyas >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = >======= >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = >======= >> > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Wed Oct 3 10:15:21 2001 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 10:15:21 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] How about a bit of fun? Specifications and audibility Message-ID: Yes, very nicely put Graham. We had a look at the comparative specs of two tuners yesterday. Theoretically better specs add up to better performance, in the case of tuners, the lower the sensitivity microvoltage, the better. Then capture ratios, selectivity, etc...... All fascinating but irrelevant if you haven't got a great aerial. These are nothing but a set of qualitative guidelines that manufacturers have devised measuring apparatus for. There are times that what we 'like' may not in fact dovetail with what what we are supposed to like after reading the spec page. We have previously lamented on the thoroughness of specs, and the fact that they are assembled by marketing people who have a duty to the sales division to communicate a clear, preferably simple message. Ron has previously said that (hope I get this right)...if you can hear it, it can be measured. While I don't dispute that, I don't think that all that we hear does get measured, irrespective of "full" sets of specs being made available and reported on, or not. By the same token, I would suggest that some of the things that are measured are inaudible. Perhaps it's fair to say that certain specs are are very important and have a bearing on sonic performance, and some are less relevant. At least some aspects of a components sonic performance that are deemed to be significant (and obvious to the trained ear), are not reported on because although theoretically, measuring instruments could be designed to measure such characteristics, they probably haven't been. Without doubt Ron is right - people are suggestible. If they have read an opiniated review of a component that they are about to listen to, they are likey to recall all the commentary that reinforces their own experience and perjaps disregard the rest. However, comparing a Krell and a Yamaha player that was mentioned yesterday on naktalk. On a sequence of 20 blind listening tests on any music I absolutely guarantee I would get the machines right 20 out of 20 times. (Providing we use the on board DACs) On CD players, you probably couldn't find two more opposite sonic signatures than those two brands so it's possibly not a fair test. Cheers, Marc >>> graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk 10/02/01 07:47PM >>> Kannan said: "I also feel some people hear tiny variations in some sounds than the other. While the other humans may be more affected by distortion more than the earlier referenced persons. So sound perception is somehow subjective and at the same time to be accepted as is." We do read much scepticism about what people can and cannot hear. Personally, I like to keep an open mind as I have been very surprised in the past at what senses people can, and do, develop to a point that are far more acute than the majority of people have. This suggests to me that there is much latent ability within all of us that we may simple not develop for want of practise. Whilst I accept Ron's view that many people are "suggestible" and may (esp. under circumstances of a non-blind A-B test) be persuaded they can hear something that is not real, I also believe others may well be able to detect real differences in, say, cables where other may not. To give an extreme example, people who are deprived of a sense usually develop something else to a degree that is much sharper than most other people; blind people, for example, often have a better developed sense of hearing that people who can see and hear. That may sound obvious but there are some instances which seem more like magic than science! For example, I know a totally blind and deaf guy who can tell if you are happy or sad just by feeling your hand. I watched him ask a friend how she was. "Great," she replied. "Liar," he responded, "I can feel you are depressed. What is the matter?" One might ask what the Hell is he sensing by touch! Presumably it's touch. But then, is it? If it is, what is it he can feel that tells him someone's mood? If it isn't touch, what is it? Intuition? No one can measure intuition, can they? On the other hand, I have also seen experiments with hypnosis, even had some of them done on me. When the hypnotist says "smell the (imaginary) rose, you smell a rose! When it is suggested that the cold coin put in your hand is hot, it hurts and can even blister the skin. (Likewise, when you are told the hot coin placed in your hand is cold it does not hurt and the skin does not blister.) So, yes - the power of suggestion is very very powerful. Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Wed Oct 3 10:42:05 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 10:42:05 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi MR-1 References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365A7B@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: Hello Tom ! I was referring of course to the e-mail one, as the file is about 2 Mo, knowing that not any mail boxes can receive larges file, that is perhaps the case of your own current one... Regards, Matyas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" > HI Matyas, > > Yes I'm interested in obtaining schematics of the MR-1. Are you referring to my e-mail address or postal address? > > Regards Tom. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Wed Oct 3 10:22:40 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 10:22:40 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi LX-3 Message-ID: I want to know if the LX-3 is a part of the 0.6 volts Naks or 1 volt ones. A while ago, I put a 400 Hz cassette into, then I measured 0,775 V. It was sure for me the deck was miscalibrated by someone and in addition, the sound was pumping with Dolby. Then I choose to rise the output level to 1 volt (PB level vr), the pumping sound is gone. So, the LX-3 seems to be a 1 volt Nak. (with a lot of orange crap around Dolby chips) If the LX-3 must be set @ 0.6 volt, mine have a very serious problem ! Matyas ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Wed Oct 3 10:21:07 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 10:21:07 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi MR-1 References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365A7B@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: About the gear upgrade, for the models that haven' it, I believe it was a too light rubber idler into, isn't it ? I don't know to what looks like the inside of the 3rd generation Naks. But, I have got an idea : we can ameliorate the pressure of the shaft that drive this tiny idler by mounting a tube of thermoretractable insulation around the shaft... is it possible ? I tested two MR-1, it seems that they both needs the upgrade as they have difficulties to rewind some cassettes. Regards, Matyas ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Wed Oct 3 10:43:43 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 10:43:43 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Pinch Roller problem References: <005901c14bbd$ec4c2580$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: Thank you Stephen / Salim / Kannan ! Yesterday, just after sending the question, I was so perplex that I decided to look further in details. I have found that the supply roller was just very LIGHTLY spinning less well that the take up one, I mean subtle ! (driven with the tip of a small screwdriver) So, it is an interesting experience, as I would never imagine before a so subtle difference could harm the tape tension. So, it was a thing that was sure: hardened lub' on its shaft. I have done the work for the 2 rollers. The tape tension problem is gone !!! Still, compared to my other Naks, the supply pinch roller pressure is not of the same quality. I'll look to the spring very soon, thanks again :-) For the sliding palte, I don't think it is affected by hard lub' because its action is quite fast. Regards, Matyas PS: I have adjusted the tape speed with XY osilloscope & Dragon 400 Hz. Just amazed by the non unifomity of the speed control (is it controled ?) of the LX-3 motor ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kannan. S" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 5:46 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pinch Roller problem > Stephen/ Matyas > I also noticed hardened grease in the sliding plate parts that pull these > springs in my 582. I had removed the grease and also replaced the pinch > rollars. Matyas can try to remove those hardening grease first ! > kannan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 11:59 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pinch Roller problem > > > >If you look from the bottom edge of the front of the mech, is the slide > >plate that the roller arm springs are attached to clearing the arm > >projections in play/rec mode? In other words, is it pulling full spring > >tension? If so, is the spring on that arm in good shape? > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > >http://stephensank.com > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Matyas" > >To: > >Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 9:03 AM > >Subject: [naktalk] Pinch Roller problem > > > > > >> Hi Stephen & all, > >> My LX-3 supply pinch roller do not give sufficient pressure on the > >> capstan, I can stop it by hand & when I clean it with water based > solution > >> (from Teac), it slips even more and the cotton swab stop it frankly. > >> > >> Of course, this behaviour have effect on sound, the tape tension get off > >> after ~20 sec. > >> Does it exist any way to adjust/repair it in an other way that > >> replacement of the pinch ? > >> > >> And I must say that the pinch roller arm is not affected by hardened > >grease, > >> and that the pinch roller don't looks worn up. > >> > >> In addition, know that I have never readjusted the capstan motor speed, > >> however it absolutely needs it, as it run too fast. Does it can fix the > >tape > >> tension thing, to bring the capstan motor to the right speed ? > >> (... I don't think so) > >> > >> Regards, Matyas ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Oct 3 11:12:43 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 03:12:43 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi LX-3 References: Message-ID: <0d2201c14beb$8fcc1940$493442cf@sank1> The LX-3 is absolutely a 1volt deck. Either all or almost all Nak transport dual capstan decks are 1volt. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matyas" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 2:22 AM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi LX-3 > I want to know if the LX-3 is a part of the 0.6 volts Naks or 1 volt ones. > A while ago, I put a 400 Hz cassette into, then I measured 0,775 V. > It was sure for me the deck was miscalibrated by someone and in addition, > the sound was pumping with Dolby. Then I choose to rise the output level to > 1 volt (PB level vr), the pumping sound is gone. > So, the LX-3 seems to be a 1 volt Nak. (with a lot of orange crap around > Dolby chips) > > If the LX-3 must be set @ 0.6 volt, mine have a very serious problem ! > Matyas > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Oct 3 12:02:49 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 17:02:49 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi LX-3 Message-ID: <20011003100249.FTBR1803.jktsm01@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> Some exceptions are: CR3,4, Cass Deck 1 and 482. :-( Probably newer dual capstan DRs are also 0.5V. > The LX-3 is absolutely a 1volt deck. Either all or almost all Nak transport > dual capstan decks are 1volt. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Oct 3 12:28:53 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 17:28:53 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] How about a bit of fun? Specifications and audibility Message-ID: <20011003102853.GCEQ1803.jktsm01@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> Hello Marc, I agree with your opinion that currently measurement techniques are not perfect / complete yet, i.e. some sonics 'quality' are still not fully expressed over those specs. Had people stop their curiosity way back then, we would've been living in a flat world. I believe that was what happenned on early 90s when people thought they have 'the ultimate' CD and we end up with sterile sound. Regarding your confidence on cd player blind test, be careful my friend ... imho abx is more of a test on human-hearing sensitivity rather than equipment test ... never been through one but sounds like it's real difficult to 'pass' that test. And cd player would be one of the toughest to differentiate in the first place. Best regards, Salim SM > Yes, very nicely put Graham. We had a look at the comparative specs of two > tuners yesterday. Theoretically better specs add up to better performance, in > the case of tuners, the lower the sensitivity microvoltage, the better. Then > capture ratios, selectivity, etc...... All fascinating but irrelevant if you > haven't got a great aerial. These are nothing but a set of qualitative > guidelines that manufacturers have devised measuring apparatus for. > > There are times that what we 'like' may not in fact dovetail with what what we > are supposed to like after reading the spec page. We have previously lamented > on the thoroughness of specs, and the fact that they are assembled by marketing > people who have a duty to the sales division to communicate a clear, preferably > simple message. Ron has previously said that (hope I get this right)...if you > can hear it, it can be measured. While I don't dispute that, I don't think that > all that we hear does get measured, irrespective of "full" sets of specs being > made available and reported on, or not. By the same token, I would suggest that > some of the things that are measured are inaudible. > > Perhaps it's fair to say that certain specs are are very important and have a > bearing on sonic performance, and some are less relevant. At least some aspects > of a components sonic performance that are deemed to be significant (and obvious > to the trained ear), are not reported on because although theoretically, > measuring instruments could be designed to measure such characteristics, they > probably haven't been. > > Without doubt Ron is right - people are suggestible. If they have read an > opiniated review of a component that they are about to listen to, they are likey > to recall all the commentary that reinforces their own experience and perjaps > disregard the rest. > > However, comparing a Krell and a Yamaha player that was mentioned yesterday on > naktalk. On a sequence of 20 blind listening tests on any music I absolutely > guarantee I would get the machines right 20 out of 20 times. (Providing we use > the on board DACs) On CD players, you probably couldn't find two more opposite > sonic signatures than those two brands so it's possibly not a fair test. > > Cheers, > > Marc > > >>> graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk 10/02/01 07:47PM >>> > > > Kannan said: ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Wed Oct 3 14:31:34 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 14:31:34 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi LX-3 References: <0d2201c14beb$8fcc1940$493442cf@sank1> Message-ID: Thank you Stephen for the clarification ! Regards, Matyas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" > The LX-3 is absolutely a 1volt deck. Either all or almost all Nak transport > dual capstan decks are 1volt. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed Oct 3 20:32:46 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 14:32:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Op Amps. References: Message-ID: <3BBB59CE.6912445D@concentric.net> Ken Lee wrote: > > Some interesting comparisons between various op amps > (including the OP275) can be viewed at > http//www.Icaudio.com/ad825.htm > regards ken People will find it easier to view the site if they add a colon following 'http' and use 'L' instead of 'I' in the URL above, as in http://www.Lcaudio.com/ad825.htm The site is interesting. Seems to me the AD825 is a gross overkill (at a high price) over the other op amps, including those originally supplied in most CD players. Before spending over 20 bucks per op amp replacement, I would try replacing with OPA-2134s (or OP-275, where FET input is not required), at $3 or so apiece. Their stable oscillator, though, could improve the sound of most cheaper players that can utilize it. Some authorities maintain that jitter in DACs clock is cause for rough, grainy sound. I am not sure this is so, though it does make sense. In any reasonable design, jitter at the DAC input is determined by jitter of the internal player clock (at that point, the data stream should already been synchronized to the internal clock and jitter produced by previous circuitry all but eliminated). Their stable clock circuit could be used to prove (or disprove) the claims above. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Wed Oct 3 23:56:10 2001 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 07:56:10 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi MR-1 Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365A7F@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> HI Matyas, Thanks for the reply. I don't own a MR-1 but I do own a BX-300, hoping the mechanics and some electronics (logic etc) are the same. I can receive up to 10 meg download on my e-mail. My e-mail address is tom.siomopoulos at nec.com.au Thanks again for the reply and thank you Matyas. Regards Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Matyas [mailto:Nakamikaze at hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, 3 October 2001 6:42 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi MR-1 Hello Tom ! I was referring of course to the e-mail one, as the file is about 2 Mo, knowing that not any mail boxes can receive larges file, that is perhaps the case of your own current one... Regards, Matyas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" > HI Matyas, > > Yes I'm interested in obtaining schematics of the MR-1. Are you referring to my e-mail address or postal address? > > Regards Tom. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Oct 3 02:40:53 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 07:40:53 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi MR-1 References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365A7F@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <000e01c14ba4$0f3473a0$cb289bca@smarzuki> Hi Tom, If you are not in a hurry I can scan some BX300 pages for you or upload it to Wouter's site. Please let me know which sections you need - there are 2 layouts for s/n < 2000 and later. Some of the electronics' values are a wee bit different with that of MR1's (at least on pb / rec amp), mechanical should be roughly similar though. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" To: Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 4:56 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi MR-1 > HI Matyas, > > Thanks for the reply. I don't own a MR-1 but I do own a BX-300, hoping the mechanics and some electronics (logic etc) are the same. I can receive up to 10 meg download on my e-mail. My e-mail address is tom.siomopoulos at nec.com.au > > Thanks again for the reply and thank you Matyas. > > Regards Tom. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matyas [mailto:Nakamikaze at hotmail.com] ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Oct 4 03:27:54 2001 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 11:27:54 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi MR-1 Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365A84@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Salim, Thank you on your offer. I'm after all of the info if possible, my unit is running perfectly at the moment but if something goes wrong with it in the future I will need the technical info to repair it. I'll check out the serial number on my unit tonight. Thanks once again and regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Salim Marzuki [mailto:smarzuki at indosat.net.id] Sent: Wednesday, 3 October 2001 10:41 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi MR-1 Hi Tom, If you are not in a hurry I can scan some BX300 pages for you or upload it to Wouter's site. Please let me know which sections you need - there are 2 layouts for s/n < 2000 and later. Some of the electronics' values are a wee bit different with that of MR1's (at least on pb / rec amp), mechanical should be roughly similar though. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" To: Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 4:56 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi MR-1 > HI Matyas, > > Thanks for the reply. I don't own a MR-1 but I do own a BX-300, hoping the mechanics and some electronics (logic etc) are the same. I can receive up to 10 meg download on my e-mail. My e-mail address is tom.siomopoulos at nec.com.au > > Thanks again for the reply and thank you Matyas. > > Regards Tom. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matyas [mailto:Nakamikaze at hotmail.com] ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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D.Chakravarti _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Thu Oct 4 05:03:01 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 08:33:01 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi MR-1 Message-ID: <003101c14c81$144f0660$42d60192@vsnl> Hi Matyas I forgot to add my email to your list for MR1 schematics. Kindly send it to my email kannan_s at vsnl.com / which has 5 mB space anyway to receive any massive files. Thanks in advance Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Date: Thursday, October 04, 2001 4:13 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi MR-1 >HI Matyas, > > Thanks for the reply. I don't own a MR-1 but I do own a BX-300, hoping the mechanics and some electronics (logic etc) are the same. I can receive up to 10 meg download on my e-mail. My e-mail address is tom.siomopoulos at nec.com.au > > Thanks again for the reply and thank you Matyas. > > Regards Tom. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Matyas [mailto:Nakamikaze at hotmail.com] >Sent: Wednesday, 3 October 2001 6:42 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi MR-1 > > >Hello Tom ! >I was referring of course to the e-mail one, as the file is about 2 Mo, >knowing that not any mail boxes can receive larges file, that is perhaps the >case of your own current one... > >Regards, Matyas > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" > > >> HI Matyas, >> >> Yes I'm interested in obtaining schematics of the MR-1. Are you referring >to my e-mail address or postal address? >> >> Regards Tom. >> > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Oct 4 06:30:03 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 22:30:03 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 travails References: Message-ID: <000d01c14c8d$3d6c6c20$373442cf@sank1> It depends on exactly what the technician is referring to as a bearing. Can't think of anything meeting the description, off hand, that would be remotely subject to cracking. I suspect that the reference is to one of the pinch roller arm pivot shaft press-fitting moldings, which will crack if one is inexperienced(and frankly lacking in a bit of common sense) with trying to remove a roller arm from the shaft when the shaft grease has turned into cement. This is a totally fixable condition. Since you're leaving for India soon, I would have offered to trade LX-3's with you, as I had a nice one ready to go, but I sold it a few weeks ago. Will you be returning at some point? Or should we see if Kannan will be near enough to lend a hand fixing it? Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debashish Chakravarti" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 8:59 PM Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 travails > This is about an LX-3 about which I have written earlier on Naktalk.The > complaint was that the right channel was consistently showing slightly > reduced playback levels. The technician who opened up the deck has given the > following prognosis:"This(examination) has revealed the main sub-chassis as > the root of the problem.There is a bearing cast into this chassis plate, > which has broken.The only solution is chassis replacement, but the part is > no longer available." > > 2. Is there any solution for someone in Ottawa, Canada who is planning to > leave for India in another twenty days? > > D.Chakravarti > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Thu Oct 4 06:30:23 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 10:00:23 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 travails Message-ID: <000401c14c8d$49ec30c0$42d60192@vsnl> Yeah I also thought " what is the connection to bearing here" -old Nak mechanism capstan shaft bearings are the best I have seen for the application. If that is the problem( pinch roller arm pivot shaft press-fitting ), we can try to get the part here and generally it takes time. however If debshish can identify that part correctly even Stephen can get the part from Patty of Nak service USA. My suggestion is - Chakravarti can get to see the actual part (number) and can download any old Nak (mechanism) like 582 / 680/ Dragon service manual from Naks website to identify another part number from these service manuals matching the same part ( most of the times there are different part numbers on different Nak machines eventhough they are easily replaceable!) we can obtain the part and replace it. The mechanism will work for another decade without any problems! Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Sank To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, October 04, 2001 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX-3 travails >It depends on exactly what the technician is referring to as a bearing. >Can't think of anything meeting the description, off hand, that would be >remotely subject to cracking. I suspect that the reference is to one of the >pinch roller arm pivot shaft press-fitting moldings, which will crack if one >is inexperienced(and frankly lacking in a bit of common sense) with trying >to remove a roller arm from the shaft when the shaft grease has turned into >cement. This is a totally fixable condition. Since you're leaving for >India soon, I would have offered to trade LX-3's with you, as I had a nice >one ready to go, but I sold it a few weeks ago. Will you be returning at >some point? Or should we see if Kannan will be near enough to lend a hand >fixing it? > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://stephensank.com >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Debashish Chakravarti" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 8:59 PM >Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 travails > > >> This is about an LX-3 about which I have written earlier on Naktalk.The >> complaint was that the right channel was consistently showing slightly >> reduced playback levels. The technician who opened up the deck has given >the >> following prognosis:"This(examination) has revealed the main sub-chassis >as >> the root of the problem.There is a bearing cast into this chassis plate, >> which has broken.The only solution is chassis replacement, but the part is >> no longer available." >> >> 2. Is there any solution for someone in Ottawa, Canada who is planning to >> leave for India in another twenty days? >> >> D.Chakravarti >> >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp >> >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = >======= >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = >======= >> > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Thu Oct 4 13:30:30 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 13:30:30 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi MR-1 References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365A7F@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: Hi Tom & all ! What I propose you, as I said, is ONLY the schematic diagrams of the MR-1 (but complete). It is not coming from the service manual, it is a document that was coming with the owner manual. It do not contain any of the adjustment steps. About the Owner's Manual of the MR-1, I have also scanned & PDFized it already, the file is about 1 Mo. I send it to Wouter & I hope to hear from him soon. Best regards, Matyas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 11:56 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi MR-1 > HI Matyas, > > Thanks for the reply. I don't own a MR-1 but I do own a BX-300, hoping the mechanics and some electronics (logic etc) are the same. I can receive up to 10 meg download on my e-mail. My e-mail address is tom.siomopoulos at nec.com.au > > Thanks again for the reply and thank you Matyas. > > Regards Tom. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Thu Oct 4 13:32:28 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 13:32:28 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Gear upgrade Message-ID: About the gear upgrade, for the models that haven' it, I believe it was a too light rubber idler into, isn't it ? I don't know to what looks like the inside of the 3rd generation Naks. But, I have got an idea : can we ameliorate the pressure of the shaft that drive this tiny idler by mounting a tube of thermoretractable insulation around the driving shaft... is it possible ? I tested two MR-1, it seems that they both needs the upgrade as they have difficulties to rewind some cassettes. Regards, Matyas ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Oct 4 17:02:29 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 09:02:29 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Gear upgrade References: Message-ID: <005201c14ce5$9729b800$323442cf@sank1> The too-small rubber idler looses friction against the plastic reel table rims before it loses friction against the brass motor pulley. The only way it works is to have a good, clean surface on the rubber tire. No other measures, short of the gear upgrade, are reasonably conceivable. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matyas" To: Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 5:32 AM Subject: [naktalk] Gear upgrade > About the gear upgrade, for the models that haven' it, I believe it was a > too light rubber idler into, isn't it ? > I don't know to what looks like the inside of the 3rd generation Naks. > But, I have got an idea : can we ameliorate the pressure of the shaft > that drive this tiny idler by mounting a tube of thermoretractable > insulation around the driving shaft... is it possible ? > > I tested two MR-1, it seems that they both needs the upgrade as they have > difficulties to rewind some cassettes. > > Regards, Matyas > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Oct 3 15:40:06 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 20:40:06 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi MR-1 References: <003101c14c81$144f0660$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: <001401c14c24$457c6b40$d5289bca@smarzuki> Hi Matyas, Please add nakmaniak at yahoo.com on your MR-1 distribution list. :-) Thanks in advance, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kannan. S" To: Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi MR-1 > Hi Matyas > I forgot to add my email to your list for MR1 schematics. Kindly send it to > my email kannan_s at vsnl.com / which has 5 mB space anyway to receive any > massive files. > Thanks in advance > Kannan > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas Siomopoulos ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Oct 3 17:43:17 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 22:43:17 +0700 Subject: 1V 482 ... (was Re: [naktalk] Op amp vdd / vss) References: <00a701c14af3$84fa7780$42d60192@vsnl> <002101c14ade$1c735480$d8289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <001501c14c24$49ceae60$d5289bca@smarzuki> Hi Ron, Stephen and all, Ron, thanks again for the schematics ! Turned out I did reference the output to ground, revealing how smart I am on this EE topic. :-) It worked allright after connecting the input / feedback to 12V. Another question, is there any advantage of using +/-12V supply compared to +24V/gnd ? Is it possible to create -12V out of non-center-tapped transformer or am I forced to use separate trafo ? I am thinking of disposing the output caps ... anyway the 12V line on 482 is for motors and is not that 'clean' during pb. Stephen, during turn-on there's a 1 to 2 Vdc surge on opamp's output (even with caps installed) which was cured by muting transistor 2sc2878 .... is this normal or did I miss something again ? Best regards, Salim SM PS: anybody care to explain how to measure deck's THD using pc software ? ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Oct 3 17:56:15 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 22:56:15 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Op Amps. References: <3BBB59CE.6912445D@concentric.net> Message-ID: <001601c14c24$4d3f1d00$d5289bca@smarzuki> Interesting comment on that LCaudio page regarding 'settling time' ... is it a marketing gimmick or true 'missing link' on spectalk ? Too bad none of the opamps mentioned available locally except 275. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 1:32 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Op Amps. > Ken Lee wrote: > > > > Some interesting comparisons between various op amps > > (including the OP275) can be viewed at > > http//www.Icaudio.com/ad825.htm > > regards ken > > People will find it easier to view the site if they > add a colon following 'http' and use 'L' instead of > 'I' in the URL above, as in > > http://www.Lcaudio.com/ad825.htm > > The site is interesting. Seems to me the AD825 is a > gross overkill (at a high price) over the other op amps, > including those originally supplied in most CD players. > Before spending over 20 bucks per op amp replacement, I > would try replacing with OPA-2134s (or OP-275, where > FET input is not required), at $3 or so apiece. > > Their stable oscillator, though, could improve the > sound of most cheaper players that can utilize it. > Some authorities maintain that jitter in DACs clock > is cause for rough, grainy sound. I am not sure this > is so, though it does make sense. > > In any reasonable design, jitter at the DAC input is > determined by jitter of the internal player clock (at > that point, the data stream should already been > synchronized to the internal clock and jitter produced > by previous circuitry all but eliminated). Their stable > clock circuit could be used to prove (or disprove) the > claims above. > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Oct 3 18:04:11 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 23:04:11 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Op Amps. References: <3BBB59CE.6912445D@concentric.net> Message-ID: <002101c14c25$0ac3f580$d5289bca@smarzuki> Forgot to ask .. does anynody know if we can buy that SMD to regular DIP 'adaptor' ? I found a cheaper source of OP275 but in SMD form - and still too lazy to etch custom pcb. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 1:32 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Op Amps. > Ken Lee wrote: > > > > Some interesting comparisons between various op amps > > (including the OP275) can be viewed at > > http//www.Icaudio.com/ad825.htm > > regards ken > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu Oct 4 18:19:36 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 12:19:36 -0400 Subject: 1V 482 ... (was Re: [naktalk] Op amp vdd / vss) References: <00a701c14af3$84fa7780$42d60192@vsnl> <002101c14ade$1c735480$d8289bca@smarzuki> <001501c14c24$49ceae60$d5289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3BBC8C18.86B70822@concentric.net> Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Hi Ron, Stephen and all, > > Ron, thanks again for the schematics ! Turned out I did reference the > output to ground, revealing how smart I am on this EE topic. :-) It > worked allright after connecting the input / feedback to 12V. > > Another question, is there any advantage of using +/-12V supply compared to > +24V/gnd ? The advantage is that you can reference both input and output to ground, alleviating the need for coupling caps. Also, you reduce or eliminate turn-on surges. > Is it possible to create -12V out of non-center-tapped > transformer or am I forced to use separate trafo ? Not if the non-center-tapped winding already has a bridge for +12V. > I am thinking of > disposing the output caps ... anyway the 12V line on 482 is for motors and > is not that 'clean' during pb. Shouldn't be too difficult to clean it up. If all you need it for is the op amp input reference, the current is very little. Use a series 1K resistor with 100uf or larger electrolytic. For best high frequency response, bypass the electrolytic with a film cap. > Stephen, during turn-on there's a 1 to 2 Vdc surge on opamp's output (even > with caps installed) which was cured by muting transistor 2sc2878 .... is > this normal or did I miss something again ? This is the caps charging up and is normal for single supply operation. -- Ron > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > PS: anybody care to explain how to measure deck's THD using pc software ? > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Oct 4 18:27:16 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 10:27:16 -0600 Subject: 1V 482 ... (was Re: [naktalk] Op amp vdd / vss) References: <00a701c14af3$84fa7780$42d60192@vsnl> <002101c14ade$1c735480$d8289bca@smarzuki> <001501c14c24$49ceae60$d5289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <006601c14cf1$6f3d4440$323442cf@sank1> It is possible to make a split supply from a non-center-tapped transformer, but, it is hard to make one with good +/- voltage tracking when significant current is needed. Also, there may be circuits in the 482 that need the +24 single supply, at least without modifications. The primary advantage of split supply is the reduced need for DC blocking caps in the signal path. Your DC transient during turn on/off sounds normal enough. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 9:43 AM Subject: 1V 482 ... (was Re: [naktalk] Op amp vdd / vss) > > Hi Ron, Stephen and all, > > Ron, thanks again for the schematics ! Turned out I did reference the > output to ground, revealing how smart I am on this EE topic. :-) It > worked allright after connecting the input / feedback to 12V. > > Another question, is there any advantage of using +/-12V supply compared to > +24V/gnd ? Is it possible to create -12V out of non-center-tapped > transformer or am I forced to use separate trafo ? I am thinking of > disposing the output caps ... anyway the 12V line on 482 is for motors and > is not that 'clean' during pb. > > Stephen, during turn-on there's a 1 to 2 Vdc surge on opamp's output (even > with caps installed) which was cured by muting transistor 2sc2878 .... is > this normal or did I miss something again ? > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > PS: anybody care to explain how to measure deck's THD using pc software ? > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu Oct 4 18:23:56 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 12:23:56 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Op Amps. References: <3BBB59CE.6912445D@concentric.net> <002101c14c25$0ac3f580$d5289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3BBC8D1C.325F7234@concentric.net> You can buy such adapter PCBs in Electronics supply stores. I got several some years ago -- can't remember where. You can also utilize small pieces of breadboard PCBs, if you are handy with a soldering iron. -- Ron Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Forgot to ask .. does anynody know if we can buy that SMD to regular DIP > 'adaptor' ? I found a cheaper source of OP275 but in SMD form - and still > too lazy to etch custom pcb. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 1:32 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Op Amps. > > > Ken Lee wrote: > > > > > > Some interesting comparisons between various op amps > > > (including the OP275) can be viewed at > > > http//www.Icaudio.com/ad825.htm > > > regards ken > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Oct 4 18:29:56 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 10:29:56 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Op Amps. References: <3BBB59CE.6912445D@concentric.net> <001601c14c24$4d3f1d00$d5289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <007001c14cf1$cec48720$323442cf@sank1> I definitely question LC Audio's preference for the AD825. Besides the fact that I'm not convinced in general that it's a better piece than the OP275/176 type, the need for an SMD-DIP adapter may negate any advantage. As far as I have seen, this adapter is not a stock item from common sources. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 9:56 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Op Amps. > > Interesting comment on that LCaudio page regarding 'settling time' ... is it > a marketing gimmick or true 'missing link' on spectalk ? Too bad none of > the opamps mentioned available locally except 275. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 1:32 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Op Amps. > > > > Ken Lee wrote: > > > > > > Some interesting comparisons between various op amps > > > (including the OP275) can be viewed at > > > http//www.Icaudio.com/ad825.htm > > > regards ken > > > > People will find it easier to view the site if they > > add a colon following 'http' and use 'L' instead of > > 'I' in the URL above, as in > > > > http://www.Lcaudio.com/ad825.htm > > > > The site is interesting. Seems to me the AD825 is a > > gross overkill (at a high price) over the other op amps, > > including those originally supplied in most CD players. > > Before spending over 20 bucks per op amp replacement, I > > would try replacing with OPA-2134s (or OP-275, where > > FET input is not required), at $3 or so apiece. > > > > Their stable oscillator, though, could improve the > > sound of most cheaper players that can utilize it. > > Some authorities maintain that jitter in DACs clock > > is cause for rough, grainy sound. I am not sure this > > is so, though it does make sense. > > > > In any reasonable design, jitter at the DAC input is > > determined by jitter of the internal player clock (at > > that point, the data stream should already been > > synchronized to the internal clock and jitter produced > > by previous circuitry all but eliminated). Their stable > > clock circuit could be used to prove (or disprove) the > > claims above. > > > > -- Ron > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu Oct 4 18:46:41 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 12:46:41 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Op Amps. References: <3BBB59CE.6912445D@concentric.net> <001601c14c24$4d3f1d00$d5289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3BBC9271.230D2BA0@concentric.net> Settling time only comes into play if the op amp is excited into ringing. This doesn't occur in analog audio applications, so I don't see it's relevance to us. Even if ringing did occur, assuming it's a single cycle, then the frequency (for T(settle)=1uSec) is 1MHz. A single cycle of 1MHz has no chance of surviving the following cables/circuitry. This implies there is no advantage in the AD825 80nS time. Likewise, a unity gain BW of 41Mhz is actually a disadvantage, as is the slew rate of 125V/uSec. They say the AD825 is sonically better? I, for one, do not believe them. YMMV. -- Ron Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Interesting comment on that LCaudio page regarding 'settling time' ... is it > a marketing gimmick or true 'missing link' on spectalk ? Too bad none of > the opamps mentioned available locally except 275. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 1:32 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Op Amps. > > > Ken Lee wrote: > > > > > > Some interesting comparisons between various op amps > > > (including the OP275) can be viewed at > > > http//www.Icaudio.com/ad825.htm > > > regards ken > > > > People will find it easier to view the site if they > > add a colon following 'http' and use 'L' instead of > > 'I' in the URL above, as in > > > > http://www.Lcaudio.com/ad825.htm > > > > The site is interesting. Seems to me the AD825 is a > > gross overkill (at a high price) over the other op amps, > > including those originally supplied in most CD players. > > Before spending over 20 bucks per op amp replacement, I > > would try replacing with OPA-2134s (or OP-275, where > > FET input is not required), at $3 or so apiece. > > > > Their stable oscillator, though, could improve the > > sound of most cheaper players that can utilize it. > > Some authorities maintain that jitter in DACs clock > > is cause for rough, grainy sound. I am not sure this > > is so, though it does make sense. > > > > In any reasonable design, jitter at the DAC input is > > determined by jitter of the internal player clock (at > > that point, the data stream should already been > > synchronized to the internal clock and jitter produced > > by previous circuitry all but eliminated). Their stable > > clock circuit could be used to prove (or disprove) the > > claims above. > > > > -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Thu Oct 4 18:54:23 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 18:54:23 +0200 Subject: 1V 482 ... (was Re: [naktalk] Op amp vdd / vss) References: <00a701c14af3$84fa7780$42d60192@vsnl> <002101c14ade$1c735480$d8289bca@smarzuki> <001501c14c24$49ceae60$d5289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: Salim, this surge is normal, as you may know it, the DC output of an Op-amp is equal to the middle of the power supply voltage. So, if you have just +12 V and gnd ((gnd + 12 V)/2), the middle is 6 Volt offset. If you have a +12 V / -12 V, the middle value is (-12 V + +12 V)/2 = O Volt. The short surge is normal, it is linked to the time constant of the cap you are using (time required to the cap to be charged, before this lapse of time, the capacitor is a short circuit, so conductive.)-time to block the 6 volts-. It is useless to get rid of it. The only way to proceed is to install a very small value cap (short charging time) for the output coupling. But it is out of question, as it will kill any low frequencies as to increase THD as well !!! I see you about to complain on the +12 V uncleanness. This 12 V line is used by all the machine...no ? Whether it is any other power line higher than 12 V in the 482, you can use it and take your 12 V after a regulator to install in. You should also to know that the modern op-amps have really good power supply rejection (of the AC noise). So, let see it as a great feature ! As they are low power, try out to power the op-amp with two 9 volt batteries. Like this: one + pole of a battery and one - pole of the other, should be linked together, this point is the reference Zero & should be connected to the ground of the 482. Then the unconnected + and - are to be linked to the op-amp. Like this, you have perfect power sources & the output can be direct coupled by this way. Good luck, Matyas ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Oct 3 19:12:29 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 00:12:29 +0700 Subject: 1V 482 ... (was Re: [naktalk] Op amp vdd / vss) References: <00a701c14af3$84fa7780$42d60192@vsnl> <002101c14ade$1c735480$d8289bca@smarzuki> <001501c14c24$49ceae60$d5289bca@smarzuki> <3BBC8C18.86B70822@concentric.net> Message-ID: <003701c14c2e$95a7e720$d5289bca@smarzuki> Ron, thanks for the instant reply ! Eliminating the caps is my goal in using +/-12V source ... to justify OP275 instead of 4558. :-) Transfomer is bridged for 24V and the 12V came from a 4558. Would additional transformer worth any sonics improvement without the output caps ? Those lytics already bypassed with 100n film caps though. Another stupid question: will using 100uF cap to clean up line put some 'stress' on the 4558 which was used to derive 12V line ? (from charging cycle etc). Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 11:19 PM Subject: Re: 1V 482 ... (was Re: [naktalk] Op amp vdd / vss) > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > Hi Ron, Stephen and all, > > > > Ron, thanks again for the schematics ! Turned out I did reference the > > output to ground, revealing how smart I am on this EE topic. :-) It > > worked allright after connecting the input / feedback to 12V. > > > > Another question, is there any advantage of using +/-12V supply compared to > > +24V/gnd ? > > The advantage is that you can reference both input > and output to ground, alleviating the need for > coupling caps. Also, you reduce or eliminate turn-on > surges. > > > Is it possible to create -12V out of non-center-tapped > > transformer or am I forced to use separate trafo ? > > Not if the non-center-tapped winding already has a > bridge for +12V. > > > I am thinking of > > disposing the output caps ... anyway the 12V line on 482 is for motors and > > is not that 'clean' during pb. > > Shouldn't be too difficult to clean it up. If all > you need it for is the op amp input reference, the > current is very little. Use a series 1K resistor > with 100uf or larger electrolytic. For best high > frequency response, bypass the electrolytic with > a film cap. > > > Stephen, during turn-on there's a 1 to 2 Vdc surge on opamp's output (even > > with caps installed) which was cured by muting transistor 2sc2878 .... is > > this normal or did I miss something again ? > > This is the caps charging up and is normal for single > supply operation. > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Thu Oct 4 19:52:26 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 13:52:26 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Op Amps. References: <3BBB59CE.6912445D@concentric.net> <001601c14c24$4d3f1d00$d5289bca@smarzuki> <3BBC9271.230D2BA0@concentric.net> Message-ID: <017601c14cfd$540f24c0$8bf63fd0@oemcomputer> Ron wrote > Likewise, a unity gain BW of 41Mhz is actually a > disadvantage, as is the slew rate of 125V/uSec. They > say the AD825 is sonically better? I, for one, do not > believe them. YMMV. > Out of curiosity why? also if you look at the sites amplifier for sale it has a bizzare theory of biamping. Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu Oct 4 21:05:35 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 15:05:35 -0400 Subject: 1V 482 ... (was Re: [naktalk] Op amp vdd / vss) References: <00a701c14af3$84fa7780$42d60192@vsnl> <002101c14ade$1c735480$d8289bca@smarzuki> <001501c14c24$49ceae60$d5289bca@smarzuki> <3BBC8C18.86B70822@concentric.net> <003701c14c2e$95a7e720$d5289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3BBCB2FF.A0A42932@concentric.net> Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Ron, thanks for the instant reply ! > > Eliminating the caps is my goal in using +/-12V source ... to justify OP275 > instead of 4558. :-) Transfomer is bridged for 24V and the 12V came from a > 4558. Would additional transformer worth any sonics improvement without the > output caps ? Depends on who you ask... There will be a theoretical improvement, that's for sure. Whether you can hear it is a different question. > Those lytics already bypassed with 100n film caps though. > > Another stupid question: will using 100uF cap to clean up line put some > 'stress' on the 4558 which was used to derive 12V line ? (from charging > cycle etc). Not if it is preceded with a series 1K resistor. -- Ron > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 11:19 PM > Subject: Re: 1V 482 ... (was Re: [naktalk] Op amp vdd / vss) > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > > Hi Ron, Stephen and all, > > > > > > Ron, thanks again for the schematics ! Turned out I did reference the > > > output to ground, revealing how smart I am on this EE topic. :-) It > > > worked allright after connecting the input / feedback to 12V. > > > > > > Another question, is there any advantage of using +/-12V supply compared > to > > > +24V/gnd ? > > > > The advantage is that you can reference both input > > and output to ground, alleviating the need for > > coupling caps. Also, you reduce or eliminate turn-on > > surges. > > > > > Is it possible to create -12V out of non-center-tapped > > > transformer or am I forced to use separate trafo ? > > > > Not if the non-center-tapped winding already has a > > bridge for +12V. > > > > > I am thinking of > > > disposing the output caps ... anyway the 12V line on 482 is for motors > and > > > is not that 'clean' during pb. > > > > Shouldn't be too difficult to clean it up. If all > > you need it for is the op amp input reference, the > > current is very little. Use a series 1K resistor > > with 100uf or larger electrolytic. For best high > > frequency response, bypass the electrolytic with > > a film cap. > > > > > Stephen, during turn-on there's a 1 to 2 Vdc surge on opamp's output > (even > > > with caps installed) which was cured by muting transistor 2sc2878 .... > is > > > this normal or did I miss something again ? > > > > This is the caps charging up and is normal for single > > supply operation. > > > > -- Ron > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu Oct 4 22:01:58 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 16:01:58 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Op Amps. References: <3BBB59CE.6912445D@concentric.net> <001601c14c24$4d3f1d00$d5289bca@smarzuki> <3BBC9271.230D2BA0@concentric.net> <017601c14cfd$540f24c0$8bf63fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3BBCC036.115643D7@concentric.net> Warren wrote: > > Ron wrote > > > Likewise, a unity gain BW of 41Mhz is actually a > > disadvantage, as is the slew rate of 125V/uSec. They > > say the AD825 is sonically better? I, for one, do not > > believe them. YMMV. > > > > Out of curiosity why? Because these specs do not affect the audio performance of the op amp. OTOH, they do make it more sensitive to noise and transients and do increase its cost. -- Ron > also if you look at the sites amplifier for sale it has a bizzare > theory of biamping. > Warren > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From n.van.wijnen at castel.nl Thu Oct 4 23:28:05 2001 From: n.van.wijnen at castel.nl (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 23:28:05 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] (Stephan) Modify the Nakamichi PA5 Message-ID: <000e01c14d1b$7575e180$bd8855c3@amd> Hello Naktalkers, I have replaced the resistors with a higher value (from 2.1K to 8,2 K) and i must say that i can hear a difference but hard to discribe. I've listened to short to the old configuration but in my opinion the amp sounds better then before. I must say that after listening for 15 years at the Harman/Kardon HK870 poweramp it is difficult to switch to another amp without listening longer than a couple of weeks at it. The HK sounds so familiar but the Nakamichi PA5 sounds much better , much more dept, not so agressive high tones and cleaner low. Still i have the feeling that the lowest tones (i called it the thunderstorm rumble sounds better on the HK. (But i wonder if that is natural?) I could not buy the 150Uf capacitors at the moment but maybe in the future i could do that modification also. Norman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Fri Oct 5 00:04:02 2001 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 08:04:02 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi MR-1 Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365A8B@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Matyas, Hmmm, I'd better decline from the offer because the schematics would be different to the BX-300. Thanks once again for your help. Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Matyas [mailto:Nakamikaze at hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 4 October 2001 9:31 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi MR-1 Hi Tom & all ! What I propose you, as I said, is ONLY the schematic diagrams of the MR-1 (but complete). It is not coming from the service manual, it is a document that was coming with the owner manual. It do not contain any of the adjustment steps. About the Owner's Manual of the MR-1, I have also scanned & PDFized it already, the file is about 1 Mo. I send it to Wouter & I hope to hear from him soon. Best regards, Matyas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 11:56 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi MR-1 > HI Matyas, > > Thanks for the reply. I don't own a MR-1 but I do own a BX-300, hoping the mechanics and some electronics (logic etc) are the same. I can receive up to 10 meg download on my e-mail. My e-mail address is tom.siomopoulos at nec.com.au > > Thanks again for the reply and thank you Matyas. > > Regards Tom. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Marc at Stager.com Fri Oct 5 01:19:23 2001 From: Marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 19:19:23 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi MR-1 In-Reply-To: References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365A7F@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011004190053.01f85360@mail.verizon.net> Thanks, Matyas I have the owner's manual since I purchased the machine new in 1992. What I need is a map of the trimpots on the chassis for adjusting levels, bias, and eq. This machine, purportedly a professional model, has none of those adjustments where they can be easily accessed - a major flaw for a pro machine. I overlooked it at the time since the discrete head design and the ability rack mount this deck were my primary concern. Then there's that dangerous and stupid design which places the record button right below and almost touching the play button. In general, I much prefer the 582. One of these days I'll go inside and swap the wires between the rewind and the FF buttons. (FF is on the left and rewind is on the right!) Another stupid design but not lethal like the MR-1 record-play button placement. __________________________Marc Stager ======================================== At 10/4/01, you wrote: >Hi Tom & all ! > >What I propose you, as I said, is ONLY the schematic diagrams of the MR-1 >(but complete). It is not coming from the service manual, it is a document >that was coming with the owner manual. It do not contain any of the >adjustment steps. > >About the Owner's Manual of the MR-1, I have also scanned & PDFized it >already, the file is about 1 Mo. I send it to Wouter & I hope to hear from >him soon. > >Best regards, Matyas ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Oct 5 01:43:54 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 19:43:54 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Just for the vintage Nak collectors - a silver 610 preamplifier Message-ID: <133.29bab05.28ee4e3a@aol.com> Enjoy and happy bidding! -Sam http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1280975274 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From khambawati at hotmail.com Fri Oct 5 02:47:40 2001 From: khambawati at hotmail.com (Debashish Chakravarti) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 20:47:40 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 travails Message-ID: Thanks for the quick response Stephen and Kannan. Here is what the technician says about the part: "As taken from service manual, page53, section C03 Item #37) Main Chassis ass'y Part # CA08347A" Best regards, Debashish Chakravarti Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 22:30:03 -0600 From: "Stephen Sank" Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX-3 travails It depends on exactly what the technician is referring to as a bearing. Can't think of anything meeting the description, off hand, that would be remotely subject to cracking. I suspect that the reference is to one of the pinch roller arm pivot shaft press-fitting moldings, which will crack if one is inexperienced(and frankly lacking in a bit of common sense) with trying to remove a roller arm from the shaft when the shaft grease has turned into cement. This is a totally fixable condition. Since you're leaving for India soon, I would have offered to trade LX-3's with you, as I had a nice one ready to go, but I sold it a few weeks ago. Will you be returning at some point? Or should we see if Kannan will be near enough to lend a hand fixing it? Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debashish Chakravarti" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 8:59 PM Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 travails >This is about an LX-3 about which I have written earlier on Naktalk.The >complaint was that the right channel was consistently showing slightly >reduced playback levels. The technician who opened up the deck has given the >following prognosis:"This(examination) has revealed the main sub-chassis as >the root of the problem.There is a bearing cast into this chassis plate, >which has broken.The only solution is chassis replacement, but the part is >no longer available." > >2. Is there any solution for someone in Ottawa, Canada who is planning to >leave for India in another twenty days? > >D.Chakravarti _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Oct 5 03:25:16 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 19:25:16 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 travails References: Message-ID: <00a401c14d3c$98000840$323442cf@sank1> That is the front of the two main transport chassis plates. It contains no bearings, only nylon moldings for the pinch arm shafts' press fittings, transport main mounts, and various other functions. I actually have a brand new one of these in stock, but have never had occassion to use it, as all problems encountered with cracked moldings have been totally repairable. I expect that my first suspicion was correct. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debashish Chakravarti" To: Cc: ; Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 6:47 PM Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 travails > Thanks for the quick response Stephen and Kannan. Here is what the > technician says about the part: > > "As taken from service manual, page53, section C03 > Item #37) Main Chassis ass'y Part # CA08347A" > > Best regards, > Debashish Chakravarti > > Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 22:30:03 -0600 > From: "Stephen Sank" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX-3 travails > > It depends on exactly what the technician is referring to as a bearing. > Can't think of anything meeting the description, off hand, that would be > remotely subject to cracking. I suspect that the reference is to one of the > pinch roller arm pivot shaft press-fitting moldings, which will crack if one > is inexperienced(and frankly lacking in a bit of common sense) with trying > to remove a roller arm from the shaft when the shaft grease has turned into > cement. This is a totally fixable condition. Since you're leaving for > India soon, I would have offered to trade LX-3's with you, as I had a nice > one ready to go, but I sold it a few weeks ago. Will you be returning at > some point? Or should we see if Kannan will be near enough to lend a hand > fixing it? > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > - ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Debashish Chakravarti" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 8:59 PM > Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 travails > > > >This is about an LX-3 about which I have written earlier on Naktalk.The > >complaint was that the right channel was consistently showing slightly > >reduced playback levels. The technician who opened up the deck has given > the > >following prognosis:"This(examination) has revealed the main sub-chassis > as > >the root of the problem.There is a bearing cast into this chassis plate, > >which has broken.The only solution is chassis replacement, but the part is > >no longer available." > > > >2. Is there any solution for someone in Ottawa, Canada who is planning to > >leave for India in another twenty days? > > > >D.Chakravarti > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Oct 5 08:15:32 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 11:45:32 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Op Amps. Message-ID: <00a301c14d65$2f91bb40$42d60192@vsnl> I have not seen any worth while improvement in such ( super )high speed opamps. Infact it can cause oscillation ( HF and not audible!)if not properly bypassed as well as to take care in soldering and general shielding around the area. I believe that discrete circuit for very critical opamp area is worthwhile improvement - I think Ron can give his openion on discrete circuits vs opamp as he had good design / implementation experience with Audio companies. Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Ron To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Friday, October 05, 2001 12:13 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Op Amps. > >Settling time only comes into play if the op amp is >excited into ringing. This doesn't occur in analog >audio applications, so I don't see it's relevance to >us. Even if ringing did occur, assuming it's a single >cycle, then the frequency (for T(settle)=1uSec) is >1MHz. A single cycle of 1MHz has no chance of >surviving the following cables/circuitry. This >implies there is no advantage in the AD825 80nS time. > >Likewise, a unity gain BW of 41Mhz is actually a >disadvantage, as is the slew rate of 125V/uSec. They >say the AD825 is sonically better? I, for one, do not >believe them. YMMV. > >-- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Oct 4 08:15:52 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 13:15:52 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 travails References: <00a401c14d3c$98000840$323442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <000401c14c9c$1db69a40$f2299bca@smarzuki> Great Scott ! I just remembered Scott almost tried to heat RX shaft insitu using solder gun ... which could melt this moulding / bearing thing ... and would be difficult to fix ! Well, that is certainly not worth experimenting. Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Cc: "Debashish Chakravarti" Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 8:25 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX-3 travails > That is the front of the two main transport chassis plates. It contains no > bearings, only nylon moldings for the pinch arm shafts' press fittings, > transport main mounts, and various other functions. I actually have a brand > new one of these in stock, but have never had occassion to use it, as all > problems encountered with cracked moldings have been totally repairable. I > expect that my first suspicion was correct. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Fri Oct 5 11:44:34 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 11:44:34 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi MR-1 References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365A7F@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> <5.1.0.14.2.20011004190053.01f85360@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: Hello Marc ! There is no trimpot map, but they can be easily be found as their name are referenced both in the schematics and in the deck... and the diagram construction is really clear..not like the Dragon. Then you will have received the diagrams,whether you are lost into, I could tell you which one serves for. I have not heard yet the MR-1 but to what a friend have said me, its top end is quite dirty, a general mat sound, with very well controlled basses. (one have lent him two of them) Not really a Nakamichi sound...surely it is due to the XLR output that are actually oxidized ! Oh ! and I forgot to mention they are MR-1 B (with the white sticker on the bottom cover-thanks Scott!-) The tapes that was sounding the best in these MR-1b was tapes made in a Revox B-215-S...and even not the 1000ZXL tapes ! I should go for listen these strange Naks. Regards, Matyas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Stager" To: Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:19 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi MR-1 > Thanks, Matyas > > I have the owner's manual since I purchased the machine new in > 1992. What I need is a map of the trimpots on the chassis for > adjusting levels, bias, and eq. > > This machine, purportedly a professional model, has none of > those adjustments where they can be easily accessed - a > major flaw for a pro machine. I overlooked it at the time since > the discrete head design and the ability rack mount this deck were > my primary concern. Then there's that dangerous and stupid > design which places the record button right below and almost > touching the play button. > > In general, I much prefer the 582. One of these days > I'll go inside and swap the wires between the rewind and the FF > buttons. (FF is on the left and rewind is on the right!) Another > stupid design but not lethal like the MR-1 record-play button > placement. > > __________________________Marc Stager ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Fri Oct 5 14:14:31 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 14:14:31 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700II Message-ID: Hello Stephen / Nick, You may remember that I was calling your help for my 700II some week ago... It was for a remounting of the front panel...causing the pause button to be activated ad aeternam. I have received an interesting method of repair for the keypad from Stephen, and I must say that I didn't find yet courage to attack once again the monster... However, probably you will find intersting that I'd delve in my mess a Pressure pad lifter for a 480... I have mounted it with sucess on the 700II PB head : IT WORKS !!! ;o) Still : The problem seems to be elecrical. I must wait about 2 hours of warming up for I can play with it, before this time, the deck go on pause after 5 sec. I think about the capacitor that is used for the *mute* initial period during the power turn-on. It should be replaced, like all other I guess... I was complaining about the 700II sound...too quickly .. I cannot even imagine what audiophile sound it will have with any capacitor replaced !!! The tape tension problem that it had is by now solved, guess from what it was coming ! ...From the pinch roller bearings !!! As Stephen said, they are not made to be dismounted, damn they ! It is rather convinient to take off the head block, then I have let drop a lot of pure isopropyl alcohol in the bearing, then make spin the pinch with the tip of a coton swab for a long while...and repeat and repeat... 'till they spin free, and it is OK by now. Just a question: How to adjust the general capstan speed ? (rec speed) Many thanks, Matyas ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Fri Oct 5 14:53:34 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 16:53:34 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700II Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F57C8@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Hi my friend! > I have mounted it with sucess on the 700II PB head : IT WORKS !!! ;o) > [Igritski Nick] Does it? How did you manage to haft it onto that head? > Still : The problem seems to be elecrical. > I must wait about 2 hours of warming up for I can play with it, before > this > time, the deck go on pause after 5 sec. > [Igritski Nick] I experienced the same goddamn problem with my own 700, but, if memory serves, I cured it by spraying some graphite lubricant (Kontakt Chemie) (or what they call it in English) into that "female" connector mounted on the key-pad PCB. Did you already try it? > Just a question: How to adjust the general capstan speed ? (rec speed) > [Igritski Nick] There's a trim pot on the small PCB mounted straight under the capstan motor. [Igritski Nick] Nick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Oct 4 15:40:13 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 20:40:13 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700II References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F57C8@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <000e01c14cda$194ddfc0$5a289bca@smarzuki> Hi Nick, I believe 480's padlifter is 'full-sized' to fit the R/P head, which I'd really like to own one for my nakai deck. Hey, how's with your new 682 ? Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 7:53 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700II > Hi my friend! > > > I have mounted it with sucess on the 700II PB head : IT WORKS !!! ;o) > > > [Igritski Nick] Does it? How did you manage to haft it onto that head? > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Fri Oct 5 16:08:37 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 18:08:37 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700II Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F57C9@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Hi, buddy! The 682 lies under my bed awaiting dismemberment, as there are some other tweakings in the order of the day. BTW, my numbers have grown - I've got an NR200! Cheers Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Salim Marzuki [SMTP:smarzuki at indosat.net.id] > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 6:40 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700II > > > Hi Nick, I believe 480's padlifter is 'full-sized' to fit the R/P head, > which I'd really like to own one for my nakai deck. > > Hey, how's with your new 682 ? > > Cheers, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Igritski Nick" > To: > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 7:53 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700II > > > > Hi my friend! > > > > > I have mounted it with sucess on the 700II PB head : IT WORKS !!! ;o) > > > > > [Igritski Nick] Does it? How did you manage to haft it onto that head? > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Fri Oct 5 16:32:04 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 10:32:04 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Heath AA-2500 Message-ID: <009101c14daa$82419640$3e031fac@brianm> Has anyone on here heard of the Heath AA-2500 amp? Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com/ John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From raah at concentric.net Fri Oct 5 18:09:12 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 12:09:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Op Amps. References: <00a301c14d65$2f91bb40$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: <3BBDDB28.AFC9A785@concentric.net> The idea that discrete circuitry is somehow better than integrated op amps is another of the esoteric audiophile religious beliefs, along with 'NFB is bad', 'tubes are better than SS', 'gold plated connectors sound better', etc.. This bias stems form the good old days when op amps were in their infancy and only general purpose cheapo op amps were available. These days are long gone. Today, there are integrated op amps designed specifically for audio, any of which is better than discrete designs (maybe, except for the very best). As always, this assumes correct utilization of the op amp IC (for example, op amps should NEVER be allowed to saturate, or they'll sound like garbage). Integrated op amps are better, because transistors inside the chip are located very close together, making for accurate temperature matching, impossible with discrete transistors. Many important specifications, such as power supply rejection, common mode rejection etc., are simply unattainable with discrete circuits. If you need any more proof, just listen to a Nak (filled with op amps) and compare to some other deck, that is purely discrete circuitry. 'Nough said. -- Ron "Kannan. S" wrote: > > I have not seen any worth while improvement in such ( super )high speed > opamps. Infact it can cause oscillation ( HF and not audible!)if not > properly bypassed as well as to take care in soldering and general shielding > around the area. > I believe that discrete circuit for very critical opamp area is worthwhile > improvement - I think Ron can give his openion on discrete circuits vs opamp > as he had good design / implementation experience with Audio companies. > Kannan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Friday, October 05, 2001 12:13 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Op Amps. > > > > >Settling time only comes into play if the op amp is > >excited into ringing. This doesn't occur in analog > >audio applications, so I don't see it's relevance to > >us. Even if ringing did occur, assuming it's a single > >cycle, then the frequency (for T(settle)=1uSec) is > >1MHz. A single cycle of 1MHz has no chance of > >surviving the following cables/circuitry. This > >implies there is no advantage in the AD825 80nS time. > > > >Likewise, a unity gain BW of 41Mhz is actually a > >disadvantage, as is the slew rate of 125V/uSec. They > >say the AD825 is sonically better? I, for one, do not > >believe them. YMMV. > > > >-- Ron > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Oct 5 19:03:36 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 11:03:36 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Op Amps. References: <00a301c14d65$2f91bb40$42d60192@vsnl> <3BBDDB28.AFC9A785@concentric.net> Message-ID: <018f01c14dbf$ad429a00$323442cf@sank1> I just want to say that I disagree with you, again. I do agree that there are excellent sounding opamp IC's, but just ask anyone who has owned simultaneously a Nak 700 or 1000 and a CR-7, ZX-9, etc. which sound they think is best. I believe you will find that the universal answer will be "neither- both are great in their own way". While IC's have advantages in thermal tracking & such, they don't necessarily outweigh the potential advantages of discrete designs. For instance, I don't know of any opamp IC that is a single ended design, which have half as complex distortion harmonics, hence half as objectionable(or better) artifacts. Designs such as the Pass Aleph amplifier demonstrate this advantage very well. Then there is the fact that a discrete design allows one to use much higher current/power components, which can further reduce artifacts. I'm not saying that discrete is universally preferrable to IC's in audio circuits, or vice versa. Just that there is no perfect argument in either direction. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 10:09 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Op Amps. > > The idea that discrete circuitry is somehow better than > integrated op amps is another of the esoteric audiophile > religious beliefs, along with 'NFB is bad', 'tubes are > better than SS', 'gold plated connectors sound better', > etc.. > > This bias stems form the good old days when op amps were > in their infancy and only general purpose cheapo op amps > were available. These days are long gone. Today, there > are integrated op amps designed specifically for audio, > any of which is better than discrete designs (maybe, > except for the very best). As always, this assumes > correct utilization of the op amp IC (for example, op > amps should NEVER be allowed to saturate, or they'll > sound like garbage). > > Integrated op amps are better, because transistors inside > the chip are located very close together, making for > accurate temperature matching, impossible with discrete > transistors. Many important specifications, such as power > supply rejection, common mode rejection etc., are simply > unattainable with discrete circuits. > > If you need any more proof, just listen to a Nak (filled > with op amps) and compare to some other deck, that is > purely discrete circuitry. 'Nough said. > > -- Ron > > > "Kannan. S" wrote: > > > > I have not seen any worth while improvement in such ( super )high speed > > opamps. Infact it can cause oscillation ( HF and not audible!)if not > > properly bypassed as well as to take care in soldering and general shielding > > around the area. > > I believe that discrete circuit for very critical opamp area is worthwhile > > improvement - I think Ron can give his openion on discrete circuits vs opamp > > as he had good design / implementation experience with Audio companies. > > Kannan > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ron > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Date: Friday, October 05, 2001 12:13 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Op Amps. > > > > > > > >Settling time only comes into play if the op amp is > > >excited into ringing. This doesn't occur in analog > > >audio applications, so I don't see it's relevance to > > >us. Even if ringing did occur, assuming it's a single > > >cycle, then the frequency (for T(settle)=1uSec) is > > >1MHz. A single cycle of 1MHz has no chance of > > >surviving the following cables/circuitry. This > > >implies there is no advantage in the AD825 80nS time. > > > > > >Likewise, a unity gain BW of 41Mhz is actually a > > >disadvantage, as is the slew rate of 125V/uSec. They > > >say the AD825 is sonically better? I, for one, do not > > >believe them. YMMV. > > > > > >-- Ron > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Oct 5 19:50:21 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 13:50:21 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Op Amps. References: <00a301c14d65$2f91bb40$42d60192@vsnl> <3BBDDB28.AFC9A785@concentric.net> <018f01c14dbf$ad429a00$323442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3BBDF2DD.112613BB@concentric.net> Stephen Sank wrote: > > I just want to say that I disagree with you, again. I do agree that there > are excellent sounding opamp IC's, but just ask anyone who has owned > simultaneously a Nak 700 or 1000 and a CR-7, ZX-9, etc. which sound they > think is best. I believe you will find that the universal answer will be > "neither- both are great in their own way". While IC's have advantages in > thermal tracking & such, they don't necessarily outweigh the potential > advantages of discrete designs. For instance, I don't know of any opamp IC > that is a single ended design, which have half as complex distortion > harmonics, hence half as objectionable(or better) artifacts. I am not sure what 'half as complex distortion harmonics' means, but I'll state this: Take any SE design, rearrange it as push-pull, and this will eliminate all even harmonics, without affecting the odd harmonics at all. IOW, everything else being equal, p-p always has *less* THD than SE, not more. The reason that worship for SE is another esoteric audio fallacy is that it has abundance of even harmonics (that psychoacoustically sound pleasanter to our ears than the dissonant odd harmonics), they mask odd harmonics and make the sound seem mellower, 'warmer' and 'richer'. This is most apparent in tube amps. However, by no means are SE amps (even close to) as accurate as p-p amps. > as the Pass Aleph amplifier demonstrate this advantage very well. Then > there is the fact that a discrete design allows one to use much higher > current/power components, which can further reduce artifacts. I don't know that higher current components reduce artifacts. I *will* agree that in cases where higher current is needed, op-amps are not the first (or best, or even reasonable) choice. > I'm not saying that discrete is universally preferrable to IC's in audio > circuits, or vice versa. Just that there is no perfect argument in either > direction. I agree that both have their place -- never said otherwise. However, for low to mid level voltage gain stages, op amps easily beat discrete circuitry, just about every time. -- Ron > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 10:09 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Op Amps. > > > > > The idea that discrete circuitry is somehow better than > > integrated op amps is another of the esoteric audiophile > > religious beliefs, along with 'NFB is bad', 'tubes are > > better than SS', 'gold plated connectors sound better', > > etc.. > > > > This bias stems form the good old days when op amps were > > in their infancy and only general purpose cheapo op amps > > were available. These days are long gone. Today, there > > are integrated op amps designed specifically for audio, > > any of which is better than discrete designs (maybe, > > except for the very best). As always, this assumes > > correct utilization of the op amp IC (for example, op > > amps should NEVER be allowed to saturate, or they'll > > sound like garbage). > > > > Integrated op amps are better, because transistors inside > > the chip are located very close together, making for > > accurate temperature matching, impossible with discrete > > transistors. Many important specifications, such as power > > supply rejection, common mode rejection etc., are simply > > unattainable with discrete circuits. > > > > If you need any more proof, just listen to a Nak (filled > > with op amps) and compare to some other deck, that is > > purely discrete circuitry. 'Nough said. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > "Kannan. S" wrote: > > > > > > I have not seen any worth while improvement in such ( super )high speed > > > opamps. Infact it can cause oscillation ( HF and not audible!)if not > > > properly bypassed as well as to take care in soldering and general > shielding > > > around the area. > > > I believe that discrete circuit for very critical opamp area is > worthwhile > > > improvement - I think Ron can give his openion on discrete circuits vs > opamp > > > as he had good design / implementation experience with Audio companies. > > > Kannan > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Ron > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Date: Friday, October 05, 2001 12:13 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Op Amps. > > > > > > > > > > >Settling time only comes into play if the op amp is > > > >excited into ringing. This doesn't occur in analog > > > >audio applications, so I don't see it's relevance to > > > >us. Even if ringing did occur, assuming it's a single > > > >cycle, then the frequency (for T(settle)=1uSec) is > > > >1MHz. A single cycle of 1MHz has no chance of > > > >surviving the following cables/circuitry. This > > > >implies there is no advantage in the AD825 80nS time. > > > > > > > >Likewise, a unity gain BW of 41Mhz is actually a > > > >disadvantage, as is the slew rate of 125V/uSec. They > > > >say the AD825 is sonically better? I, for one, do not > > > >believe them. YMMV. > > > > > > > >-- Ron > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Oct 4 20:58:41 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 01:58:41 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700II References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F57C9@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <001501c14d06$9636c980$901a9bca@smarzuki> Hi Nick, we're still waiting for that peeling feeling ! Uh oh, by that time maybe the 'warranty' has already expired. :-) Excellent find on your NR200 ... that was my first Nakamichi stuff I ever owned back in 80s ... not enough dough to buy real nak deck (and of course the akai was also 3 head ... ). Cheers, Salim SM PS: Thomas, if you're reading this, I've just finished most of the bx scan but will send it from office on monday. My phone line suddenly down to 33.6 and the 1.7mb file will take ages to upload. Anybody else interested with the scan ? or how do I upload it to Wouter ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:08 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700II > Hi, buddy! > > The 682 lies under my bed awaiting dismemberment, as there are some other > tweakings in the order of the day. BTW, my numbers have grown - I've got an > NR200! > > Cheers > Nick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Sat Oct 6 10:07:24 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 12:07:24 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700II Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F57CA@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Which BX, Salim? > -----Original Message----- > From: Salim Marzuki [SMTP:smarzuki at indosat.net.id] > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 11:59 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700II > > > Hi Nick, we're still waiting for that peeling feeling ! Uh oh, by that > time > maybe the 'warranty' has already expired. :-) > > Excellent find on your NR200 ... that was my first Nakamichi stuff I ever > owned back in 80s ... not enough dough to buy real nak deck (and of course > the akai was also 3 head ... ). > > Cheers, > Salim SM > > PS: Thomas, if you're reading this, I've just finished most of the bx scan > but will send it from office on monday. My phone line suddenly down to > 33.6 > and the 1.7mb file will take ages to upload. Anybody else interested with > the scan ? or how do I upload it to Wouter ? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Igritski Nick" > To: > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:08 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700II > > > > Hi, buddy! > > > > The 682 lies under my bed awaiting dismemberment, as there are some > other > > tweakings in the order of the day. BTW, my numbers have grown - I've got > an > > NR200! > > > > Cheers > > Nick > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Oct 5 11:03:29 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 16:03:29 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700II References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F57CA@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <000601c14d7c$9a9c42e0$aa299bca@smarzuki> BX 300 Nick. I promised Thomas to scan the schematics. Interested ? Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 3:07 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700II > Which BX, Salim? > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Sat Oct 6 15:08:50 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 15:08:50 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Salim BX300 References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F57CA@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> <000601c14d7c$9a9c42e0$aa299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: Hello Salim, please add csaba at isuisse.com to your distribution list :-) Matyas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki > > BX 300 Nick. I promised Thomas to scan the schematics. Interested ? > > Best regards, > Salim SM > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Sat Oct 6 15:46:15 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 15:46:15 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 II Message-ID: Hello Nick ! Despite I have lost my October messages, I remember your reply on the pressure pad lifter, that I read yesterday night. It is easy to fit the pad lifter on the play head (as Salim said, the 480/LX-3 model is longer than the 3 head model) the only thing you have to do, is to un-bend and adjust ~170° two claws (these that are not bent to 90°, but the more pronounced bent ones.) this side should face the head mounting plate. To give sufficient attach force to the pad lifter, bent to the inside the laterals sides. As for the keypad problem, yes Nick, I have yet checked & repaired the contact quality of all the connectors in my 700 II, as its main problem was lousy contacts. I know the brand Kontact Chemie, the product I use from them is the Kontact 60. A de-oxidizer/contact optimizer... but you should know it. Thank you for the emplacement of the main speed VR ! Regards, Matyas ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From n.van.wijnen at castel.nl Sat Oct 6 16:19:26 2001 From: n.van.wijnen at castel.nl (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 16:19:26 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] I have lost the Naktalk messages from 1st october till'now References: Message-ID: <001601c14e72$1fc00240$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> Ok M Matyas i send them to you Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: Matyas To: Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 3:30 PM Subject: [naktalk] I have lost the Naktalk messages from 1st october till'now > Does any kind fellow would to send me the messages from the 1st october > 'till 6 october please ? > Best regards, Matyas > > I hate hotmail ! > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Sat Oct 6 17:57:25 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 17:57:25 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] I have lost the Naktalk messages from 1st october till'now References: <001601c14e72$1fc00240$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> Message-ID: Hey Norman ! Thank you a lot my friend !!! Regards, Matyas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman van Wijnen" To: Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 4:19 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] I have lost the Naktalk messages from 1st october till'now > Ok M > Matyas i send them to you > Norman ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From t.h.jackson at verizon.net Sat Oct 6 18:46:25 2001 From: t.h.jackson at verizon.net (Timothy H. Jackson) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 09:46:25 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] RE: BX-300 schematic scan ( naktalk-digest V2 #1395) In-Reply-To: <200110061418.QAA04171@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <000201c14e86$709fa760$2102a8c0@henry> Salim, How fortuitous! I am a long time BX-125 owner and a new BX-300 owner who just subscribed to the NakTalk list. I need to do some repair on the BX-300 and would really appreciate the schematics for it. If you could forward them to me, as well, that would be great! Tim Jackson (t.h.jackson at verizon.net) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 16:03:29 +0700 From: "Salim Marzuki" Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700II BX 300 Nick. I promised Thomas to scan the schematics. Interested ? Best regards, Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Sat Oct 6 20:00:33 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 22:00:33 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700II Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F57CB@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Yeah, if it ain't onerous for you. Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Salim Marzuki [SMTP:smarzuki at indosat.net.id] > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 2:03 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700II > > > BX 300 Nick. I promised Thomas to scan the schematics. Interested ? > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Igritski Nick" > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 3:07 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700II > > > > Which BX, Salim? > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Sat Oct 6 20:08:56 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 22:08:56 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 II Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F57CD@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Anytime, my friend. And I use Kontakt Chemie Sprühöl 88. Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Matyas [SMTP:Nakamikaze at hotmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 6:46 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 II > > Hello Nick ! > Despite I have lost my October messages, I remember your reply on the > pressure pad lifter, that I read yesterday night. > > It is easy to fit the pad lifter on the play head (as Salim said, the > 480/LX-3 model is longer than the 3 head model) the only thing you have to > do, is to un-bend and adjust ~170° two claws (these that are not bent to > 90°, but the more pronounced bent ones.) this side should face the head > mounting plate. > To give sufficient attach force to the pad lifter, bent to the inside the > laterals sides. > > As for the keypad problem, yes Nick, I have yet checked & repaired the > contact quality of all the connectors in my 700 II, as its main problem > was > lousy contacts. > I know the brand Kontact Chemie, the product I use from them is the > Kontact > 60. A de-oxidizer/contact optimizer... but you should know it. > > Thank you for the emplacement of the main speed VR ! > > Regards, Matyas > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Oct 6 20:52:35 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 19:52:35 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: cables again ... In-Reply-To: <007d01c14b6f$8a741140$49ea3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <001001c14e98$10490160$f49386d9@a4s1s2> Can anyone explain to me - simply - why some interconnects have to be twisted to allegedly sound of their best while others do not have to be twisted? Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sat Oct 6 21:38:14 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 15:38:14 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: cables again ... References: <001001c14e98$10490160$f49386d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3BBF5DA6.1BB99094@concentric.net> Graham Nelson wrote: > > Can anyone explain to me - simply - why some interconnects have to be > twisted to allegedly sound of their best while others do not have to be > twisted? > > Graham When you twist a cable, you reduce its inductance but increase its capacitance. For long speaker cables, this is moderately advantageous, since the reduced series inductance may lead to better speaker damping and most power amps can readily drive the higher capacitance. Personally, I chose straight leads for my front speakers, twisted cables for the rears. In shorter speaker cables, this is not significant enough to matter. As far as interconnects go, twisting will reduce hum and noise pickup; it's almost a necessity with unshielded ones. For shielded interconnects, twisting hardly matters. Of course, for interconnects that consist of a single conductor inside a shield, twisting is a non issue. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Oct 6 23:07:20 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 22:07:20 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: cables again ... In-Reply-To: <3BBF5DA6.1BB99094@concentric.net> Message-ID: <001101c14eaa$e35fd580$f49386d9@a4s1s2> Thanks Ron - that's very clear. One question arising: Apart from hum and noise pick-up, does twisting affect the signal in such a way that it may affect the balance of the sound that it transmitted? For example, twisting affect the spectrum of sound, such that, for example, bass might be increased whilst transients are diminished, or the reverse? Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: 06 October 2001 20:38 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: cables again ... Graham Nelson wrote: > > Can anyone explain to me - simply - why some interconnects have to be > twisted to allegedly sound of their best while others do not have to be > twisted? > > Graham When you twist a cable, you reduce its inductance but increase its capacitance. For long speaker cables, this is moderately advantageous, since the reduced series inductance may lead to better speaker damping and most power amps can readily drive the higher capacitance. Personally, I chose straight leads for my front speakers, twisted cables for the rears. In shorter speaker cables, this is not significant enough to matter. As far as interconnects go, twisting will reduce hum and noise pickup; it's almost a necessity with unshielded ones. For shielded interconnects, twisting hardly matters. Of course, for interconnects that consist of a single conductor inside a shield, twisting is a non issue. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun Oct 7 00:05:35 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 18:05:35 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: cables again ... References: <001101c14eaa$e35fd580$f49386d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3BBF802F.EE04A566@concentric.net> All I can say is that inductance is reduced and capacitance increased, both by a very small amount. The exact effect on the response depends on other circuit parameters. In general, though, I'd expect the bass not to be affected, transients and treble to diminish. -- Ron Graham Nelson wrote: > > Thanks Ron - that's very clear. One question arising: Apart from hum and > noise pick-up, does twisting affect the signal in such a way that it may > affect the balance of the sound that it transmitted? For example, twisting > affect the spectrum of sound, such that, for example, bass might be > increased whilst transients are diminished, or the reverse? > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Ron > Sent: 06 October 2001 20:38 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: cables again ... > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > Can anyone explain to me - simply - why some interconnects have to be > > twisted to allegedly sound of their best while others do not have to be > > twisted? > > > > Graham > > When you twist a cable, you reduce its inductance > but increase its capacitance. For long speaker cables, > this is moderately advantageous, since the reduced > series inductance may lead to better speaker damping > and most power amps can readily drive the higher > capacitance. Personally, I chose straight leads for > my front speakers, twisted cables for the rears. > In shorter speaker cables, this is not significant > enough to matter. > > As far as interconnects go, twisting will reduce hum > and noise pickup; it's almost a necessity with unshielded > ones. For shielded interconnects, twisting hardly matters. > Of course, for interconnects that consist of a single > conductor inside a shield, twisting is a non issue. > > -- Ron > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Oct 7 23:31:58 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 22:31:58 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] In-Reply-To: <000c01c14f75$96ed8140$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> Message-ID: <000201c14f77$7e817380$b24e87d9@a4s1s2> Yes Norm - it's working! It's just quiet, I suppose, because the Nakophiles all seem to have vanished into their biological and chemical proof bunkers ... just in case! And here's me going on a trip to London tomorrow and NOT wanting to go ....just in case .... ;o) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Norman van Wijnen Sent: 07 October 2001 22:18 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] test norman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From n.van.wijnen at castel.nl Mon Oct 8 00:12:27 2001 From: n.van.wijnen at castel.nl (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 00:12:27 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] References: <000201c14f77$7e817380$b24e87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <003601c14f7d$263e2dc0$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> Hello Graham, Yes i have just change my email adress to n.van.wijnen at home.nl (cable) and i'm receiving no emails at all so i wonder what was going on. Yes this are difficult times. A war that must happen but never can won i quess. There are to many Bin Ladens in this world. Thanks for your respons Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2001 11:31 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Yes Norm - it's working! It's just quiet, I suppose, because the Nakophiles all seem to have vanished into their biological and chemical proof bunkers ... just in case! And here's me going on a trip to London tomorrow and NOT wanting to go ....just in case .... ;o) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Norman van Wijnen Sent: 07 October 2001 22:18 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] test norman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Mon Oct 8 00:22:34 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 00:22:34 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 II References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F57CD@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: Nick, I see that the Sprühöl 88 is a high quality oil in spray form. Until now, I used Sony oil from my work, but I want to try this spray oil. I hope it is sufficiently light for the capstan bearings. Matyas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 8:08 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 II > Anytime, my friend. And I use Kontakt Chemie Sprühöl 88. > > Nick > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun Oct 7 23:42:08 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 17:42:08 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] References: <000201c14f77$7e817380$b24e87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3BC0CC30.16E56156@concentric.net> >Yes Norm - it's working! It's just quiet, I suppose, because the Nakophiles all >seem to have vanished into their biological and chemical proof >bunkers ... just in case! > >And here's me going on a trip to London tomorrow and NOT wanting to go ....just >in case .... >;o) > >Gra' Better to London than to Afghanistan :-). -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Oct 8 01:09:38 2001 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 09:09:38 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700II Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365A90@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Salim, Thank you very much for what you ar doing, hope to receive this soon :) Many thanks...Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Salim Marzuki [mailto:smarzuki at indosat.net.id] Sent: Friday, 5 October 2001 4:59 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700II Hi Nick, we're still waiting for that peeling feeling ! Uh oh, by that time maybe the 'warranty' has already expired. :-) Excellent find on your NR200 ... that was my first Nakamichi stuff I ever owned back in 80s ... not enough dough to buy real nak deck (and of course the akai was also 3 head ... ). Cheers, Salim SM PS: Thomas, if you're reading this, I've just finished most of the bx scan but will send it from office on monday. My phone line suddenly down to 33.6 and the 1.7mb file will take ages to upload. Anybody else interested with the scan ? or how do I upload it to Wouter ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:08 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700II > Hi, buddy! > > The 682 lies under my bed awaiting dismemberment, as there are some other > tweakings in the order of the day. BTW, my numbers have grown - I've got an > NR200! > > Cheers > Nick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Oct 8 06:47:20 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 05:47:20 +0100 Subject: [naktalk]Ron In-Reply-To: <3BC0CC30.16E56156@concentric.net> Message-ID: <000401c14fb4$50c54e20$8f5087d9@a4s1s2> LOL! Yeah! ;o) You're not wrong there!!! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: 07 October 2001 22:42 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] >Yes Norm - it's working! It's just quiet, I suppose, because the Nakophiles all >seem to have vanished into their biological and chemical proof >bunkers ... just in case! > >And here's me going on a trip to London tomorrow and NOT wanting to go ....just >in case .... >;o) > >Gra' Better to London than to Afghanistan :-). -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From j.soulantikas at hccnet.nl Mon Oct 8 09:57:29 2001 From: j.soulantikas at hccnet.nl (J. Soulantikas) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 09:57:29 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Salim BX300 References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F57CA@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> <000601c14d7c$9a9c42e0$aa299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <006701c14fce$f6d50f20$3536fb3e@soulantikas> Hello Salim, Here is one more e-mail for the desperately needed BX-300 schematics. j.soulantikas at hccnet.nl ----- Original Message ----- From: Matyas To: Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 3:08 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Salim BX300 > Hello Salim, please add > csaba at isuisse.com to your distribution list :-) > Matyas > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salim Marzuki > > > > > > BX 300 Nick. I promised Thomas to scan the schematics. Interested ? > > > > Best regards, > > Salim SM > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Mon Oct 8 12:01:33 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 14:01:33 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 II Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F57D2@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Matyas, I have never applied that stuff onto any mechanical rubbing parts and would hardly recommend to do so. It works extremely well on mossy trim pots, aged VR sliders etc., but I'm pretty darn sure it was never supposed to be applied onto mechanics. Best Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Matyas [SMTP:Nakamikaze at hotmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2001 3:23 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 II > > Nick, I see that the Sprühöl 88 is a high quality oil in spray form. > Until now, I used Sony oil from my work, but I want to try this spray oil. > I hope it is sufficiently light for the capstan bearings. > > Matyas > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Igritski Nick" > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 8:08 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 II > > > > Anytime, my friend. And I use Kontakt Chemie Sprühöl 88. > > > > Nick > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Oct 7 16:05:07 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 21:05:07 +0700 Subject: [naktalk]Ron References: <000401c14fb4$50c54e20$8f5087d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <000a01c14f39$12e34920$53289bca@smarzuki> Out of 150++ countries in the entire planet, I happen to live in one of the only 3 countries whose people are against the US action. I don't know if I should be proud or start digging myself a new bunker. BTW the other 2 are pakistan and, surprise, phillipines, or so according to bloomberg (even the Saudis say nothing). What a sad and pathetic world we live in. Cheers, prost and wish me lots of luck ! :-) Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 11:47 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk]Ron > LOL! Yeah! ;o) You're not wrong there!!! > > Gra' > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Oct 7 16:08:56 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 21:08:56 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Salim BX300 References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F57CA@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> <000601c14d7c$9a9c42e0$aa299bca@smarzuki> <006701c14fce$f6d50f20$3536fb3e@soulantikas> Message-ID: <000b01c14f3a$b7bd0480$b8199bca@smarzuki> Hi Jannis, I'll send it from the office tomorrow ... 'free' & fast connection, while it lasts. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Soulantikas" To: Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 2:57 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Salim BX300 > Hello Salim, > Here is one more e-mail for the desperately needed BX-300 schematics. > j.soulantikas at hccnet.nl > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Matyas > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 3:08 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Salim BX300 > > > > Hello Salim, please add > > csaba at isuisse.com to your distribution list :-) > > Matyas > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Salim Marzuki > > > > > > > > > > BX 300 Nick. I promised Thomas to scan the schematics. Interested ? > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Oct 7 16:22:49 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 21:22:49 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] MB4s or OMS1 ? Message-ID: <001e01c14f3b$8b205020$b8199bca@smarzuki> Hi Nakfellows, out of these two budget Naks, which one do you think is 'better' ? i.e. sonics & build. Thanks for your opinion, Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Mon Oct 8 16:39:13 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 10:39:13 -0400 Subject: [naktalk]Ron References: <000401c14fb4$50c54e20$8f5087d9@a4s1s2> <000a01c14f39$12e34920$53289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3BC1BA91.7C532350@concentric.net> While I am not against the US action, I think it's a show of force, more than anything else. The American public wanted action, so they are giving us action. It is not even clear the twin tower attack was actually launched by the bin Laden faction alone. Some experts on current terrorist organizations believe it was actually engineered by Imad Mughniyeh (head of the special overseas operations for Hizbulla) and Ayman Al Zawahiri (member of Al-Qaeda). In any case, this is a war between Fundamentalist Islam and Western Civilization. So far, it looks like the administration is treating it like it's a burning internal political issue: how can we make Mr. Bush look good with the least effort. I hope I am wrong. We'll see... -- Ron Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Out of 150++ countries in the entire planet, I happen to live in one of the > only 3 countries whose people are against the US action. I don't know if I > should be proud or start digging myself a new bunker. BTW the other 2 are > pakistan and, surprise, phillipines, or so according to bloomberg (even the > Saudis say nothing). > > What a sad and pathetic world we live in. > > Cheers, prost and wish me lots of luck ! :-) > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham Nelson" > To: > Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 11:47 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk]Ron > > > LOL! Yeah! ;o) You're not wrong there!!! > > > > Gra' > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Oct 8 17:11:51 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 09:11:51 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] MB4s or OMS1 ? References: <001e01c14f3b$8b205020$b8199bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <010401c1500b$8fb12c60$083442cf@sank1> The OMS-1 was a pretty dreadful NEC player, so I'd have to say the MB-4s is a much better choice, both sonically & build-wise. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2001 8:22 AM Subject: [naktalk] MB4s or OMS1 ? > > Hi Nakfellows, out of these two budget Naks, which one do you think is > 'better' ? i.e. sonics & build. > > Thanks for your opinion, > Salim SM > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Mon Oct 8 18:53:50 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 18:53:50 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 II References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F57D2@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: Strange Nick ! In my local electronic parts distributor's book, the Spruhol 88 is described as follow: *"Lubricant for electronics & precision mechanics---SPRUHOL 88" Thanks to its capillary effect, allows a fast lubrication with a high quality oil and without any dismounting, for the parts hardly accessible. * >From Kontakt Chemie, it exists the Kontakt 61 which cleans, lubricate and have an anti corrosive action. Tuner 600, cleans & de-oxidise but without any alteration of the connector's capacity. (as it don't lubricate) Regards, Matyas PS: So, which oil do you use for mechanics ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 12:01 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 II > Matyas, > > I have never applied that stuff onto any mechanical rubbing parts and would > hardly recommend to do so. It works extremely well on mossy trim pots, aged > VR sliders etc., but I'm pretty darn sure it was never supposed to be > applied onto mechanics. > > Best > Nick > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Matyas [SMTP:Nakamikaze at hotmail.com] > > Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2001 3:23 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 II > > > > Nick, I see that the Sprühöl 88 is a high quality oil in spray form. > > Until now, I used Sony oil from my work, but I want to try this spray oil. > > I hope it is sufficiently light for the capstan bearings. > > > > Matyas ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Oct 7 18:46:42 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 23:46:42 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] MB4s or OMS1 ? References: <001e01c14f3b$8b205020$b8199bca@smarzuki> <010401c1500b$8fb12c60$083442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <002301c14f54$71500000$9d1a9bca@smarzuki> Thanks Stephen ! Does MB4s use similar mechanism as that of MB1/2/3s ? I have the service manual for 1/2/3 but it there's no mention of 4 on it. If something went wrong with MB1s mechanism would I be able to cannibalize 4's parts ? Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB4s or OMS1 ? > The OMS-1 was a pretty dreadful NEC player, so I'd have to say the MB-4s is > a much better choice, both sonically & build-wise. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Oct 7 18:35:10 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 23:35:10 +0700 Subject: [naktalk]Ron References: <000401c14fb4$50c54e20$8f5087d9@a4s1s2> <000a01c14f39$12e34920$53289bca@smarzuki> <3BC1BA91.7C532350@concentric.net> Message-ID: <002201c14f54$6e012320$9d1a9bca@smarzuki> Well, I also hope you are wrong ... the thought of hitting the 'wrong' country is just unbearable. Back to Graham's comment, even the so called Moslem organisation's movement over here was also a matter of politics - to shake current administration. Firstly the previous / toppled President (charismatic but somewhat incapable) was from the largest Moslem party, secondly we now have a woman-president ... in the largest moslem country. Other than that people on the streets don't really care about this Osama guy, unless he's moving in to our backyard. Damn ! As if there's not enough problems lately. Cheers, while we can. :-) Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 9:39 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk]Ron > > While I am not against the US action, I think it's > a show of force, more than anything else. The > American public wanted action, so they are giving > us action. It is not even clear the twin tower attack > was actually launched by the bin Laden faction alone. > Some experts on current terrorist organizations believe > it was actually engineered by Imad Mughniyeh (head of > the special overseas operations for Hizbulla) and > Ayman Al Zawahiri (member of Al-Qaeda). > > In any case, this is a war between Fundamentalist Islam > and Western Civilization. So far, it looks like the > administration is treating it like it's a burning > internal political issue: how can we make Mr. Bush > look good with the least effort. > > I hope I am wrong. We'll see... > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Mon Oct 8 19:20:50 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 13:20:50 -0400 Subject: [naktalk]Ron References: <000401c14fb4$50c54e20$8f5087d9@a4s1s2> <000a01c14f39$12e34920$53289bca@smarzuki> <3BC1BA91.7C532350@concentric.net> Message-ID: <054301c1501d$946efd60$7a2bfea9@brianm> Politics, uggg! >So far, it looks like the > administration is treating it like it's a burning > internal political issue: how can we make Mr. Bush > look good with the least effort. I couldn't disagree more with this hogwash, but thats what happens when politics are discussed! Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk]Ron > > While I am not against the US action, I think it's > a show of force, more than anything else. The > American public wanted action, so they are giving > us action. It is not even clear the twin tower attack > was actually launched by the bin Laden faction alone. > Some experts on current terrorist organizations believe > it was actually engineered by Imad Mughniyeh (head of > the special overseas operations for Hizbulla) and > Ayman Al Zawahiri (member of Al-Qaeda). > > In any case, this is a war between Fundamentalist Islam > and Western Civilization. So far, it looks like the > administration is treating it like it's a burning > internal political issue: how can we make Mr. Bush > look good with the least effort. > > I hope I am wrong. We'll see... > > -- Ron > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > Out of 150++ countries in the entire planet, I happen to live in one of the > > only 3 countries whose people are against the US action. I don't know if I > > should be proud or start digging myself a new bunker. BTW the other 2 are > > pakistan and, surprise, phillipines, or so according to bloomberg (even the > > Saudis say nothing). > > > > What a sad and pathetic world we live in. > > > > Cheers, prost and wish me lots of luck ! :-) > > Salim SM > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Graham Nelson" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 11:47 AM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk]Ron > > > > > LOL! Yeah! ;o) You're not wrong there!!! > > > > > > Gra' > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Mon Oct 8 19:38:54 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 13:38:54 -0400 Subject: [naktalk]Ron References: <000401c14fb4$50c54e20$8f5087d9@a4s1s2> <000a01c14f39$12e34920$53289bca@smarzuki> <3BC1BA91.7C532350@concentric.net> <054301c1501d$946efd60$7a2bfea9@brianm> Message-ID: <3BC1E4AE.428E4C88@concentric.net> But, of course... In politics, there are only two kinds of opinions: those I agree with and hogwash. :-). -- Ron Brian Miller wrote: > > Politics, uggg! > > >So far, it looks like the > > administration is treating it like it's a burning > > internal political issue: how can we make Mr. Bush > > look good with the least effort. > > I couldn't disagree more with this hogwash, but thats what happens when > politics are discussed! > > Brian Miller > Michigan > http://brian.grar.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 10:39 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk]Ron > > > > > While I am not against the US action, I think it's > > a show of force, more than anything else. The > > American public wanted action, so they are giving > > us action. It is not even clear the twin tower attack > > was actually launched by the bin Laden faction alone. > > Some experts on current terrorist organizations believe > > it was actually engineered by Imad Mughniyeh (head of > > the special overseas operations for Hizbulla) and > > Ayman Al Zawahiri (member of Al-Qaeda). > > > > In any case, this is a war between Fundamentalist Islam > > and Western Civilization. So far, it looks like the > > administration is treating it like it's a burning > > internal political issue: how can we make Mr. Bush > > look good with the least effort. > > > > I hope I am wrong. We'll see... > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > > Out of 150++ countries in the entire planet, I happen to live in one of > the > > > only 3 countries whose people are against the US action. I don't know > if I > > > should be proud or start digging myself a new bunker. BTW the other 2 > are > > > pakistan and, surprise, phillipines, or so according to bloomberg (even > the > > > Saudis say nothing). > > > > > > What a sad and pathetic world we live in. > > > > > > Cheers, prost and wish me lots of luck ! :-) > > > Salim SM > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Graham Nelson" > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 11:47 AM > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk]Ron > > > > > > > LOL! Yeah! ;o) You're not wrong there!!! > > > > > > > > Gra' ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Oct 8 20:31:53 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 19:31:53 +0100 Subject: [naktalk]Ron In-Reply-To: <3BC1E4AE.428E4C88@concentric.net> Message-ID: <000a01c15027$80bcfba0$bf9b193e@a4s1s2> Belly ROFLOL!!!! You're not a Gemini or a Libran, then Ron!! ;o) -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: 08 October 2001 18:39 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk]Ron But, of course... In politics, there are only two kinds of opinions: those I agree with and hogwash. :-). -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2001 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB4s or OMS1 ? > > Thanks Stephen ! > > Does MB4s use similar mechanism as that of MB1/2/3s ? I have the service > manual for 1/2/3 but it there's no mention of 4 on it. If something went > wrong with MB1s mechanism would I be able to cannibalize 4's parts ? > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 10:11 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB4s or OMS1 ? > > > > The OMS-1 was a pretty dreadful NEC player, so I'd have to say the MB-4s > is > > a much better choice, both sonically & build-wise. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Tue Oct 9 02:11:17 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 20:11:17 -0400 Subject: [naktalk]Ron References: <000a01c15027$80bcfba0$bf9b193e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3BC240A5.AEBB46A3@concentric.net> Actually, I *am* a Libran. Makes sense, too, because Librans do not believe in anything and I do not believe in Astrology :-). -- Ron Graham Nelson wrote: > > Belly ROFLOL!!!! You're not a Gemini or a Libran, then Ron!! ;o) > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Ron > Sent: 08 October 2001 18:39 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk]Ron > > But, of course... In politics, there are only two > kinds of opinions: those I agree with and hogwash. > :-). > > -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Tue Oct 9 08:12:11 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 02:12:11 -0400 Subject: [naktalk]Ron References: <000401c14fb4$50c54e20$8f5087d9@a4s1s2> <000a01c14f39$12e34920$53289bca@smarzuki> <3BC1BA91.7C532350@concentric.net> Message-ID: <00b001c15089$55bbd7c0$59ed3fd0@oemcomputer> Ron and others if you want a start at why the US is doing this this is as good as any place to start: Bush's Favorite Afghan A recent article in the New York Times about how college campuses are reacting to the World Trade Center attack cited a characteristic anti-war comment from the Vietnam era. Daniel Ellsberg, the Rand Corp. official who leaked the Pentagon Papers, once said that he doubted that anyone in the Lyndon B. Johnson administration could pass a freshman course in Vietnamese culture and politics. One might have the same kind of worry this time. Afghanistan, after all, is a nation as exotic and remote from the experience of most Americans as Vietnam was in the 1960s. Happily, though, it turns out that there is someone in the George W. Bush administration who could not only pass a freshman course in Afghan culture and politics, but could also easily teach one--and probably has. As it happens, the lead National Security Council official dealing with the region is one Zalmay Khalilzad, an Afghan-born scholar of both the Middle East and military affairs. Judging from things he has written in the past, this little-known defense intellectual is playing a central role in the administration's emerging strategy for combating Islamic terrorism http://slate.msn.com/code/BallotBox/BallotBox.asp?Show=10/5/2001&idMessage=8 402 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk]Ron > > While I am not against the US action, I think it's > a show of force, more than anything else. The > American public wanted action, so they are giving > us action. It is not even clear the twin tower attack > was actually launched by the bin Laden faction alone. > Some experts on current terrorist organizations believe > it was actually engineered by Imad Mughniyeh (head of > the special overseas operations for Hizbulla) and > Ayman Al Zawahiri (member of Al-Qaeda). > > In any case, this is a war between Fundamentalist Islam > and Western Civilization. So far, it looks like the > administration is treating it like it's a burning > internal political issue: how can we make Mr. Bush > look good with the least effort. > > I hope I am wrong. We'll see... > > -- Ron > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > Out of 150++ countries in the entire planet, I happen to live in one of the > > only 3 countries whose people are against the US action. I don't know if I > > should be proud or start digging myself a new bunker. BTW the other 2 are > > pakistan and, surprise, phillipines, or so according to bloomberg (even the > > Saudis say nothing). > > > > What a sad and pathetic world we live in. > > > > Cheers, prost and wish me lots of luck ! :-) > > Salim SM > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Graham Nelson" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 11:47 AM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk]Ron > > > > > LOL! Yeah! ;o) You're not wrong there!!! > > > > > > Gra' > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Tue Oct 9 07:38:38 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 11:08:38 +0530 Subject: [naktalk]Ron Message-ID: <001601c15084$b0a9aea0$42d60192@vsnl> Salim you are fortunate to be in Indonesia not in Pakistan. Indonesia is showing strong democratic resolve ( eventhough Sukarno / Sukarto all the past presidents were dictators in the garb of elected representatives) to elect an educated moderate woman. I think only education will open eyes of any population( out of this religious fundamentalism). Indonesia' economic development in the past decade had put your country in devloping nations group unlike Pakistan ( they had gone back to absolute dictatorship with no economic development - people carry submachine guns and fundamentalism is a way of life) In Pakistan only elite masses can afford to live! Not middleclass moderates Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Salim Marzuki To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Monday, October 08, 2001 11:44 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk]Ron > >Well, I also hope you are wrong ... the thought of hitting the 'wrong' >country is just unbearable. > >Back to Graham's comment, even the so called Moslem organisation's movement >over here was also a matter of politics - to shake current administration. >Firstly the previous / toppled President (charismatic but somewhat >incapable) was from the largest Moslem party, secondly we now have a >woman-president ... in the largest moslem country. Other than that people >on the streets don't really care about this Osama guy, unless he's moving in >to our backyard. > >Damn ! As if there's not enough problems lately. > >Cheers, while we can. :-) >Salim SM > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Oct 9 08:36:14 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 07:36:14 +0100 Subject: [naktalk]Ron In-Reply-To: <3BC240A5.AEBB46A3@concentric.net> Message-ID: <000001c1508c$b16ae220$826087d9@a4s1s2> Heh! Heh! Yeah - I'd already guessed you'd not believe in astrology - that's why I said it!!! ;o) Only kidding you! Gra' PS I don't believe in it either; however, I've never been able to explain how the former manager of The Sutherland Brothers band was able to tell someone's birth sign within a few minutes of meeting them. Seen him get it right 9 times out of 10, which is way better than you'd expect with random guesses. It was his "party piece". Very scary for someone who *doesn't* believe in astrology ... -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: 09 October 2001 01:11 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk]Ron Actually, I *am* a Libran. Makes sense, too, because Librans do not believe in anything and I do not believe in Astrology :-). -- Ron Graham Nelson wrote: > > Belly ROFLOL!!!! You're not a Gemini or a Libran, then Ron!! ;o) > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From j.soulantikas at hccnet.nl Tue Oct 9 12:20:46 2001 From: j.soulantikas at hccnet.nl (J. Soulantikas) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 12:20:46 +0200 Subject: [naktalk]Ron References: <000401c14fb4$50c54e20$8f5087d9@a4s1s2> <000a01c14f39$12e34920$53289bca@smarzuki> <3BC1BA91.7C532350@concentric.net> <054301c1501d$946efd60$7a2bfea9@brianm> <3BC1E4AE.428E4C88@concentric.net> Message-ID: <003f01c150ac$ed0661e0$253dfb3e@soulantikas> As far as politics (and other things) are concerned I think that everyone is entitled to my opinion. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron To: Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 7:38 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk]Ron > > But, of course... In politics, there are only two > kinds of opinions: those I agree with and hogwash. > :-). > > -- Ron > > > Brian Miller wrote: > > > > Politics, uggg! > > > > >So far, it looks like the > > > administration is treating it like it's a burning > > > internal political issue: how can we make Mr. Bush > > > look good with the least effort. > > > > I couldn't disagree more with this hogwash, but thats what happens when > > politics are discussed! > > > > Brian Miller > > Michigan > > http://brian.grar.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 10:39 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk]Ron > > > > > > > > While I am not against the US action, I think it's > > > a show of force, more than anything else. The > > > American public wanted action, so they are giving > > > us action. It is not even clear the twin tower attack > > > was actually launched by the bin Laden faction alone. > > > Some experts on current terrorist organizations believe > > > it was actually engineered by Imad Mughniyeh (head of > > > the special overseas operations for Hizbulla) and > > > Ayman Al Zawahiri (member of Al-Qaeda). > > > > > > In any case, this is a war between Fundamentalist Islam > > > and Western Civilization. So far, it looks like the > > > administration is treating it like it's a burning > > > internal political issue: how can we make Mr. Bush > > > look good with the least effort. > > > > > > I hope I am wrong. We'll see... > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > > > > Out of 150++ countries in the entire planet, I happen to live in one of > > the > > > > only 3 countries whose people are against the US action. I don't know > > if I > > > > should be proud or start digging myself a new bunker. BTW the other 2 > > are > > > > pakistan and, surprise, phillipines, or so according to bloomberg (even > > the > > > > Saudis say nothing). > > > > > > > > What a sad and pathetic world we live in. > > > > > > > > Cheers, prost and wish me lots of luck ! :-) > > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Graham Nelson" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 11:47 AM > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk]Ron > > > > > > > > > LOL! Yeah! ;o) You're not wrong there!!! > > > > > > > > > > Gra' > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Oct 8 13:47:35 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 18:47:35 +0700 Subject: [naktalk]Ron References: <001601c15084$b0a9aea0$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: <002001c14ff0$baba4740$10299bca@smarzuki> Kannan, how come you're so ... Javanese ! If one's hit by a car, Javanese people over here used to say that he's damn lucky not to get hit by a bus. But of course you're right, can't imagine living in pakistan right now (maybe also more difficult to find naks there). Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kannan. S" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 12:38 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk]Ron > Salim > you are fortunate to be in Indonesia not in Pakistan. Indonesia is showing > strong democratic resolve ( eventhough Sukarno / Sukarto all the past > presidents were dictators in the garb of elected representatives) to elect > an educated moderate woman. I think only education will open eyes of any > population( out of this religious fundamentalism). Indonesia' economic > development in the past decade had put your country in devloping nations > group unlike Pakistan ( they had gone back to absolute dictatorship with no > economic development - people carry submachine guns and fundamentalism is a > way of life) > In Pakistan only elite masses can afford to live! Not middleclass moderates > Kannan > -----Original Message----- > From: Salim Marzuki > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Monday, October 08, 2001 11:44 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk]Ron > > > > > >Well, I also hope you are wrong ... the thought of hitting the 'wrong' > >country is just unbearable. > > > >Back to Graham's comment, even the so called Moslem organisation's movement > >over here was also a matter of politics - to shake current administration. > >Firstly the previous / toppled President (charismatic but somewhat > >incapable) was from the largest Moslem party, secondly we now have a > >woman-president ... in the largest moslem country. Other than that people > >on the streets don't really care about this Osama guy, unless he's moving > in > >to our backyard. > > > >Damn ! As if there's not enough problems lately. > > > >Cheers, while we can. :-) > >Salim SM > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Tue Oct 9 16:15:06 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 10:15:06 -0400 Subject: [naktalk]Ron References: <000001c1508c$b16ae220$826087d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3BC3066A.98E56211@concentric.net> There's always some rational explanation to these 'party tricks'. Reminds me of a story about Sir Konan Doyle. He met a friend on the train, that remarked, "I perceive, Sir Doyle, that you are wearing red underpants today." Doyle was absolutely amazed at his friend's powers of observation and demanded to know what clued him in. "Elementary, my dear Doyle" said the friend, "you forgot to put your trousers on." -- Ron Graham Nelson wrote: > > Heh! Heh! Yeah - I'd already guessed you'd not believe in astrology - > that's why I said it!!! ;o) > > Only kidding you! > > Gra' > > PS > I don't believe in it either; however, I've never been able to explain how > the former manager of The Sutherland Brothers band was able to tell > someone's birth sign within a few minutes of meeting them. Seen him get it > right 9 times out of 10, which is way better than you'd expect with random > guesses. It was his "party piece". Very scary for someone who *doesn't* > believe in astrology ... > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Ron > Sent: 09 October 2001 01:11 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk]Ron > > Actually, I *am* a Libran. Makes sense, too, because > Librans do not believe in anything and I do not > believe in Astrology :-). > > -- Ron > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > Belly ROFLOL!!!! You're not a Gemini or a Libran, then Ron!! ;o) ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Tue Oct 9 18:37:09 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 09:37:09 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak TD 700 caraudio cass/tuner inquiry References: <000001c1508c$b16ae220$826087d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3BC327B6.7808CE17@pacbell.net> Hi Nakers, Has anybody owned/used/serviced the td 700 car deck. I am considering bidding on one listed on ebay. Thank you very much Brian Stocker > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Tue Oct 9 18:46:05 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 12:46:05 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak TD 700 caraudio cass/tuner inquiry References: <000001c1508c$b16ae220$826087d9@a4s1s2> <3BC327B6.7808CE17@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <007001c150e1$e3b1f980$7a2bfea9@brianm> I bought one on eBay, had it sent to Nak in California and sold it w/o every using it. If you have it serviced, talk w/Stephen, service took months at Nak and nobody could ever give me any information when I called and I called many times! Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 12:37 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak TD 700 caraudio cass/tuner inquiry > Hi Nakers, > > Has anybody owned/used/serviced the td 700 car deck. I am considering bidding on one > listed on ebay. > > Thank you very much > > Brian Stocker > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Tue Oct 9 19:45:50 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 10:45:50 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak TD 700 caraudio cass/tuner inquiry References: <000001c1508c$b16ae220$826087d9@a4s1s2> <3BC327B6.7808CE17@pacbell.net> <007001c150e1$e3b1f980$7a2bfea9@brianm> Message-ID: <3BC337CF.DDBED269@pacbell.net> Thanks for the reply Brian. So, I assume that you bought this as a non working item or did you send it to Nak for a general servicing. Stephen is the only person to whom I would send any audio gear for service, by the way. Brian Stocker Brian Miller wrote: > I bought one on eBay, had it sent to Nak in California and sold it w/o every > using it. If you have it serviced, talk w/Stephen, service took months at > Nak and nobody could ever give me any information when I called and I called > many times! > > Brian Miller > Michigan > http://brian.grar.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 12:37 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak TD 700 caraudio cass/tuner inquiry > > > Hi Nakers, > > > > Has anybody owned/used/serviced the td 700 car deck. I am considering > bidding on one > > listed on ebay. > > > > Thank you very much > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Tue Oct 9 19:52:38 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 13:52:38 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak TD 700 caraudio cass/tuner inquiry References: <000001c1508c$b16ae220$826087d9@a4s1s2> <3BC327B6.7808CE17@pacbell.net> <007001c150e1$e3b1f980$7a2bfea9@brianm> <3BC337CF.DDBED269@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <008301c150eb$2fe1fa40$7a2bfea9@brianm> I sent it for general service, I had the guy I bought it from send it directly to Nak. So I never even saw it until I recieved it from Nak. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Oct 9 20:31:06 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 12:31:06 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak TD 700 caraudio cass/tuner inquiry References: <000001c1508c$b16ae220$826087d9@a4s1s2> <3BC327B6.7808CE17@pacbell.net> <007001c150e1$e3b1f980$7a2bfea9@brianm> Message-ID: <023d01c150f0$923674a0$083442cf@sank1> The TD-700 is only slightly inferior in performance to the TD-1200, which is without doubt the best car cassette ever. But, the TD-700 is far more reliable, needing usually only belts every five or so years(and now, PC board glue removal!). The TD-1200 was prone to developing flakey & multiple electronic problems. The only hitch is that these decks were known for not having the best tuners. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Miller" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak TD 700 caraudio cass/tuner inquiry > I bought one on eBay, had it sent to Nak in California and sold it w/o every > using it. If you have it serviced, talk w/Stephen, service took months at > Nak and nobody could ever give me any information when I called and I called > many times! > > Brian Miller > Michigan > http://brian.grar.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 12:37 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak TD 700 caraudio cass/tuner inquiry > > > > Hi Nakers, > > > > Has anybody owned/used/serviced the td 700 car deck. I am considering > bidding on one > > listed on ebay. > > > > Thank you very much > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Oct 9 20:35:38 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 19:35:38 +0100 Subject: [naktalk]Ron In-Reply-To: <003f01c150ac$ed0661e0$253dfb3e@soulantikas> Message-ID: <000001c150f1$316927c0$685587d9@a4s1s2> That's right! And they should all do as I say, not as I do!!! -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of J. Soulantikas Sent: 09 October 2001 11:21 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk]Ron As far as politics (and other things) are concerned I think that everyone is entitled to my opinion. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Oct 9 20:35:46 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 19:35:46 +0100 Subject: [naktalk]Ron In-Reply-To: <3BC3066A.98E56211@concentric.net> Message-ID: <000601c150f1$35b24320$685587d9@a4s1s2> LOL! Nice one, Ron! And if you ever figure out how that guy used to guess star signs, let me know! G -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: 09 October 2001 15:15 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk]Ron There's always some rational explanation to these 'party tricks'. Reminds me of a story about Sir Konan Doyle. He met a friend on the train, that remarked, "I perceive, Sir Doyle, that you are wearing red underpants today." Doyle was absolutely amazed at his friend's powers of observation and demanded to know what clued him in. "Elementary, my dear Doyle" said the friend, "you forgot to put your trousers on." -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Tue Oct 9 21:06:27 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 12:06:27 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak TD 700 caraudio cass/tuner inquiry References: <000001c1508c$b16ae220$826087d9@a4s1s2> <3BC327B6.7808CE17@pacbell.net> <007001c150e1$e3b1f980$7a2bfea9@brianm> <023d01c150f0$923674a0$083442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3BC34AB5.ACB307FC@pacbell.net> Thank you very much Stephen. My region is not known for having the best stations either so that point is moot. Any idea what the max $$ one should spend on a td700 Brian Stocker Stephen Sank wrote: > The TD-700 is only slightly inferior in performance to the TD-1200, which is > without doubt the best car cassette ever. But, the TD-700 is far more > reliable, needing usually only belts every five or so years(and now, PC > board glue removal!). The TD-1200 was prone to developing flakey & multiple > electronic problems. > The only hitch is that these decks were known for not having the best > tuners. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Miller" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 10:46 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak TD 700 caraudio cass/tuner inquiry > > > I bought one on eBay, had it sent to Nak in California and sold it w/o > every > > using it. If you have it serviced, talk w/Stephen, service took months at > > Nak and nobody could ever give me any information when I called and I > called > > many times! > > > > Brian Miller > > Michigan > > http://brian.grar.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 12:37 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak TD 700 caraudio cass/tuner inquiry > > > > > > > Hi Nakers, > > > > > > Has anybody owned/used/serviced the td 700 car deck. I am considering > > bidding on one > > > listed on ebay. > > > > > > Thank you very much > > > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 9 21:23:05 2001 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 12:23:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak TD-700 story In-Reply-To: <3BC327B6.7808CE17@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <20011009192305.33937.qmail@web13103.mail.yahoo.com> Brian, Since you brought up the Nak TD-700 car deck I thought I would share a story. Years ago all my friends were getting Nak car decks after hearing my TD-500 in my car. One friend saw at TD-700 in the Recycler newspaper in non-working condition for cheap. I didn't have time to go with him to take a look at it and check it out for him so I gave him some pointers. 1) If it's looks like it's going to require a lot of work to repair, don't buy it! 2) If too many pieces are missing, don't buy it. 3) If it looks like it's tweaked, don't buy it. He calls me later to say that he bought it. He brings it over to me that night, IN THREE BAGS. The butcher that he bought it from tried to repair it and almost complete disassembled it. All the pieces he could find were in three plastic grocery bags. You can imagine how pissed I was, because he expected me to fix and reassemble it. It actually didn't take that long. I was surprised. It was about 1.5 hours to get it to the point where I could test it and determine what the original problem was. I had the service manual so I wrote down all the part numbers of parts and screws. The next day he went over to Nakamichi in Torrance (I live about 10 miles away) and bought all the parts I told him to get and reassembled it in another hour. It's been so long I can't remember what was wrong with it. It might have been the infamous brown glue crap shorting out the reel hub sensor, a 5 minute diagnosis and repair job for someone where knows what their looking for. This deck was for his father who just had his second Becker stereo stolen out of his Mercedes. To help lessen the likelyhood of that one getting stolen my friend asked if I could put a blinking red light on the deck. I put the front panel on the drill press and drilled a hole almost all the way through. I glued a T-1 red led in place and wired it to a NE555 timer circuit that ran off +12V. The circuit I added fit completely in the deck and was wired to the completely inside the deck. When I was finished it looked beautiful. I hope you guys don't mind the long story. SJ --- britri at pacbell.net wrote: > Hi Nakers, > > Has anybody owned/used/serviced the td 700 car deck. > I am considering bidding on one > listed on ebay. > > Thank you very much > > Brian Stocker __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Tue Oct 9 21:37:34 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 15:37:34 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak TD-700 story References: <20011009192305.33937.qmail@web13103.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <007a01c150f9$d8ec2d00$53756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> Wonderful, that's what friends are for, right? John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Johnson" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak TD-700 story > Brian, > > Since you brought up the Nak TD-700 car deck I thought > I would share a story. > > Years ago all my friends were getting Nak car decks > after hearing my TD-500 in my car. One friend saw at > TD-700 in the Recycler newspaper in non-working > condition for cheap. I didn't have time to go with > him to take a look at it and check it out for him so I > gave him some pointers. > > 1) If it's looks like it's going to require a lot of > work to repair, don't buy it! 2) If too many pieces > are missing, don't buy it. 3) If it looks like it's > tweaked, don't buy it. > > He calls me later to say that he bought it. He brings > it over to me that night, IN THREE BAGS. The butcher > that he bought it from tried to repair it and almost > complete disassembled it. All the pieces he could > find were in three plastic grocery bags. You can > imagine how pissed I was, because he expected me to > fix and reassemble it. > > It actually didn't take that long. I was surprised. > It was about 1.5 hours to get it to the point where I > could test it and determine what the original problem > was. I had the service manual so I wrote down all the > part numbers of parts and screws. The next day he > went over to Nakamichi in Torrance (I live about 10 > miles away) and bought all the parts I told him to get > and reassembled it in another hour. > > It's been so long I can't remember what was wrong with > it. It might have been the infamous brown glue crap > shorting out the reel hub sensor, a 5 minute diagnosis > and repair job for someone where knows what their > looking for. > > This deck was for his father who just had his second > Becker stereo stolen out of his Mercedes. To help > lessen the likelyhood of that one getting stolen my > friend asked if I could put a blinking red light on > the deck. I put the front panel on the drill press > and drilled a hole almost all the way through. I > glued a T-1 red led in place and wired it to a NE555 > timer circuit that ran off +12V. The circuit I added > fit completely in the deck and was wired to the > completely inside the deck. When I was finished it > looked beautiful. > > I hope you guys don't mind the long story. > > SJ > > > --- britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > Hi Nakers, > > > > Has anybody owned/used/serviced the td 700 car deck. > > I am considering bidding on one > > listed on ebay. > > > > Thank you very much > > > > Brian Stocker > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make a great connection at Yahoo! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Tue Oct 9 21:53:23 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 12:53:23 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak TD 700 caraudio cass/tuner inquiry References: <000001c1508c$b16ae220$826087d9@a4s1s2> <3BC327B6.7808CE17@pacbell.net> <007001c150e1$e3b1f980$7a2bfea9@brianm> <023d01c150f0$923674a0$083442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3BC355B3.AF16192@earthlink.net> Stephen, Any opinions on the performance and reliability of the Nak MB-100 in-dash CD changer with its outboard DAC and preamp? Thanks in advance! Jim Volpatti Stephen Sank wrote: > > The TD-700 is only slightly inferior in performance to the TD-1200, which is > without doubt the best car cassette ever. But, the TD-700 is far more > reliable, needing usually only belts every five or so years(and now, PC > board glue removal!). The TD-1200 was prone to developing flakey & multiple > electronic problems. > The only hitch is that these decks were known for not having the best > tuners. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smoke at snip.net Tue Oct 9 21:56:22 2001 From: smoke at snip.net (John M. Smokevitch) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 15:56:22 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak TD 700 caraudio cass/tuner inquiry & Ultimate Car system References: <000001c1508c$b16ae220$826087d9@a4s1s2> <3BC327B6.7808CE17@pacbell.net> <007001c150e1$e3b1f980$7a2bfea9@brianm> <023d01c150f0$923674a0$083442cf@sank1> <3BC34AB5.ACB307FC@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <3BC35666.82D4877D@snip.net> If you have room for a double DIN installation, the ideal car audio system would be a high quality CD-player or changer front end with an AUX input and then run your TD-700 or 1200 into the aux. input. I recently sent my TD-1200II to Stephen to have him install "rec out" rca outputs on my TD-1200II so that I can run it's signal, before the volume, tone or balance controls, directly into the AUX input of a NAK CD player or changer I am getting (I'm trying to decide between the CD-700 and the MB-100). This way I get first quality FM and CD performance, while getting a "Dragon in the car" for cassette playback. Incidentally, many factory systems with both CD and cassette playback are in a double DIN installation so this "recommended" system is an easy, if somewhat expensive, installation. And if you are going to be installing amps and speakers to upgrade your car system and you already have the TD-700 or 1200, why not go for it? Furthermore, according to Stephen, my TD-1200II can easily be converted back into a full featured head unit. I highly recommend this approach for any fellow NAK talkers who want CD playback while retaining their NAK quality tape playback. Incidentally, for any NAK talker who might be interested, I have an extra TD-1200II available which could be used as a stand alone "Dragon in the car" albeit with only so-so FM or could be converted for use with a CD capable head unit as I've described above. If interested, contact me off NAK talk. britri at pacbell.net wrote: > Thank you very much Stephen. My region is not known for having the best stations > either so that point is moot. Any idea what the max $$ one should spend on a td700 > > Brian Stocker > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > The TD-700 is only slightly inferior in performance to the TD-1200, which is > > without doubt the best car cassette ever. But, the TD-700 is far more > > reliable, needing usually only belts every five or so years(and now, PC > > board glue removal!). The TD-1200 was prone to developing flakey & multiple > > electronic problems. > > The only hitch is that these decks were known for not having the best > > tuners. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Brian Miller" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 10:46 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak TD 700 caraudio cass/tuner inquiry > > > > > I bought one on eBay, had it sent to Nak in California and sold it w/o > > every > > > using it. If you have it serviced, talk w/Stephen, service took months at > > > Nak and nobody could ever give me any information when I called and I > > called > > > many times! > > > > > > Brian Miller > > > Michigan > > > http://brian.grar.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 12:37 PM > > > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak TD 700 caraudio cass/tuner inquiry > > > > > > > > > > Hi Nakers, > > > > > > > > Has anybody owned/used/serviced the td 700 car deck. I am considering > > > bidding on one > > > > listed on ebay. > > > > > > > > Thank you very much > > > > > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Oct 10 02:05:53 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 18:05:53 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak TD 700 caraudio cass/tuner inquiry References: <000001c1508c$b16ae220$826087d9@a4s1s2> <3BC327B6.7808CE17@pacbell.net> <007001c150e1$e3b1f980$7a2bfea9@brianm> <023d01c150f0$923674a0$083442cf@sank1> <3BC34AB5.ACB307FC@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <027301c1511f$54862cc0$083442cf@sank1> Apparently, one just got over $400 on ebay, which is the highest I have ever seen for a TD-700. Usually, $250-300 average. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak TD 700 caraudio cass/tuner inquiry > Thank you very much Stephen. My region is not known for having the best stations > either so that point is moot. Any idea what the max $$ one should spend on a td700 > > Brian Stocker > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > The TD-700 is only slightly inferior in performance to the TD-1200, which is > > without doubt the best car cassette ever. But, the TD-700 is far more > > reliable, needing usually only belts every five or so years(and now, PC > > board glue removal!). The TD-1200 was prone to developing flakey & multiple > > electronic problems. > > The only hitch is that these decks were known for not having the best > > tuners. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Brian Miller" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 10:46 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak TD 700 caraudio cass/tuner inquiry > > > > > I bought one on eBay, had it sent to Nak in California and sold it w/o > > every > > > using it. If you have it serviced, talk w/Stephen, service took months at > > > Nak and nobody could ever give me any information when I called and I > > called > > > many times! > > > > > > Brian Miller > > > Michigan > > > http://brian.grar.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 12:37 PM > > > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak TD 700 caraudio cass/tuner inquiry > > > > > > > > > > Hi Nakers, > > > > > > > > Has anybody owned/used/serviced the td 700 car deck. I am considering > > > bidding on one > > > > listed on ebay. > > > > > > > > Thank you very much > > > > > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Oct 10 02:07:14 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 18:07:14 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak TD 700 caraudio cass/tuner inquiry References: <000001c1508c$b16ae220$826087d9@a4s1s2> <3BC327B6.7808CE17@pacbell.net> <007001c150e1$e3b1f980$7a2bfea9@brianm> <023d01c150f0$923674a0$083442cf@sank1> <3BC355B3.AF16192@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <027b01c1511f$8513fc00$083442cf@sank1> Honestly haven't even seen literature on any Nak car stuff in the last ten years, so I can't offer any opinion on the new stuff. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 1:53 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak TD 700 caraudio cass/tuner inquiry > Stephen, > > Any opinions on the performance and reliability of the Nak MB-100 > in-dash CD changer with its outboard DAC and preamp? > > Thanks in advance! > > Jim Volpatti > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > The TD-700 is only slightly inferior in performance to the TD-1200, which is > > without doubt the best car cassette ever. But, the TD-700 is far more > > reliable, needing usually only belts every five or so years(and now, PC > > board glue removal!). The TD-1200 was prone to developing flakey & multiple > > electronic problems. > > The only hitch is that these decks were known for not having the best > > tuners. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Wed Oct 10 02:14:28 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 17:14:28 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak TD 700 caraudio cass/tuner inquiry References: <000001c1508c$b16ae220$826087d9@a4s1s2> <3BC327B6.7808CE17@pacbell.net> <007001c150e1$e3b1f980$7a2bfea9@brianm> <023d01c150f0$923674a0$083442cf@sank1> <3BC355B3.AF16192@earthlink.net> <027b01c1511f$8513fc00$083442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3BC392E3.98EF943F@earthlink.net> Then can I assume that you no longer handle Nakamichi car audio warranty repair? Stephen Sank wrote: > > Honestly haven't even seen literature on any Nak car stuff in the last ten > years, so I can't offer any opinion on the new stuff. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Oct 10 02:43:59 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 18:43:59 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak TD 700 caraudio cass/tuner inquiry References: <000001c1508c$b16ae220$826087d9@a4s1s2> <3BC327B6.7808CE17@pacbell.net> <007001c150e1$e3b1f980$7a2bfea9@brianm> <023d01c150f0$923674a0$083442cf@sank1> <3BC355B3.AF16192@earthlink.net> <027b01c1511f$8513fc00$083442cf@sank1> <3BC392E3.98EF943F@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <02cd01c15124$a71617c0$083442cf@sank1> Actually, I am not sure if I have car warranty authorisation or not. Haven't had reason to find out since moving here to New Mex, or in fact, back east, either. I'd have to call Nak & ask. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 6:14 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak TD 700 caraudio cass/tuner inquiry > Then can I assume that you no longer handle Nakamichi car audio warranty > repair? > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > Honestly haven't even seen literature on any Nak car stuff in the last ten > > years, so I can't offer any opinion on the new stuff. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Wed Oct 10 02:53:45 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 17:53:45 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak TD 700 caraudio cass/tuner inquiry References: <000001c1508c$b16ae220$826087d9@a4s1s2> <3BC327B6.7808CE17@pacbell.net> <007001c150e1$e3b1f980$7a2bfea9@brianm> <023d01c150f0$923674a0$083442cf@sank1> <3BC355B3.AF16192@earthlink.net> <027b01c1511f$8513fc00$083442cf@sank1> <3BC392E3.98EF943F@earthlink.net> <02cd01c15124$a71617c0$083442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3BC39C19.6543EBDC@earthlink.net> Hmmm. As a recognized expert in nak repairs, I'm surprised that you haven't received any repair inquiries on the recent nak car audio gear. Either it isn't selling well or has proven to be very reliable. Jim Volpatti Stephen Sank wrote: > > Actually, I am not sure if I have car warranty authorisation or not. > Haven't had reason to find out since moving here to New Mex, or in fact, > back east, either. I'd have to call Nak & ask. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Volpatti" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 6:14 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak TD 700 caraudio cass/tuner inquiry > > > Then can I assume that you no longer handle Nakamichi car audio warranty > > repair? > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > Honestly haven't even seen literature on any Nak car stuff in the last > ten > > > years, so I can't offer any opinion on the new stuff. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Oct 10 03:13:45 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 19:13:45 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak TD 700 caraudio cass/tuner inquiry References: <000001c1508c$b16ae220$826087d9@a4s1s2> <3BC327B6.7808CE17@pacbell.net> <007001c150e1$e3b1f980$7a2bfea9@brianm> <023d01c150f0$923674a0$083442cf@sank1> <3BC355B3.AF16192@earthlink.net> <027b01c1511f$8513fc00$083442cf@sank1> <3BC392E3.98EF943F@earthlink.net> <02cd01c15124$a71617c0$083442cf@sank1> <3BC39C19.6543EBDC@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <031201c15128$cffeab80$083442cf@sank1> I think it is just that car audio circles are fairly well removed from home audio circles. Plus, I have never been in local proximity to any Nak car dealers. I know for a fact that the RD series that followed the TD series was totally unreliable OEM crap, yet I still didn't have any warranty repair requests. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 6:53 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak TD 700 caraudio cass/tuner inquiry > Hmmm. As a recognized expert in nak repairs, I'm surprised that you > haven't received any repair inquiries on the recent nak car audio gear. > Either it isn't selling well or has proven to be very reliable. > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > Actually, I am not sure if I have car warranty authorisation or not. > > Haven't had reason to find out since moving here to New Mex, or in fact, > > back east, either. I'd have to call Nak & ask. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 6:14 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak TD 700 caraudio cass/tuner inquiry > > > > > Then can I assume that you no longer handle Nakamichi car audio warranty > > > repair? > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > Honestly haven't even seen literature on any Nak car stuff in the last > > ten > > > > years, so I can't offer any opinion on the new stuff. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Wed Oct 10 03:54:05 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 18:54:05 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak TD 700 caraudio cass/tuner inquiry References: <000001c1508c$b16ae220$826087d9@a4s1s2> <3BC327B6.7808CE17@pacbell.net> <007001c150e1$e3b1f980$7a2bfea9@brianm> <023d01c150f0$923674a0$083442cf@sank1> <3BC355B3.AF16192@earthlink.net> <027b01c1511f$8513fc00$083442cf@sank1> <3BC392E3.98EF943F@earthlink.net> <02cd01c15124$a71617c0$083442cf@sank1> <3BC39C19.6543EBDC@earthlink.net> <031201c15128$cffeab80$083442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3BC3AA3D.578E6521@earthlink.net> I'm assuming that the current nak in-dash CD changers, based on their music bank transports are built in-house and are reliable. If any other nak have any experience with any of the current in-dash CD changers, I'd love to hear from you. Thanks, Jim Volpatti Stephen Sank wrote: > > I think it is just that car audio circles are fairly well removed from home > audio circles. Plus, I have never been in local proximity to any Nak car > dealers. I know for a fact that the RD series that followed the TD series > was totally unreliable OEM crap, yet I still didn't have any warranty repair > requests. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From t.h.jackson at verizon.net Wed Oct 10 04:05:06 2001 From: t.h.jackson at verizon.net (Timothy H. Jackson) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 19:05:06 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Price of BX-300 gear drive upgrade In-Reply-To: <200110100114.DAA29662@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <001401c1512f$fbf14390$2102a8c0@henry> Just for reference, does anybody know what should I be paying for a BX-300 gear drive upgrade? I have a quote at $180 which seems about double what I paid for my BX-125 upgrade 10 years ago... Thanks, Tim ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Wed Oct 10 09:06:52 2001 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 09:06:52 +0200 Subject: [naktalk]Ron Message-ID: MY goodness, that's elegant Ron. Love it. That's the nicest inversion of "If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you" that I've heard ever! Cheers, Marc >>> j.soulantikas at hccnet.nl 10/09/01 12:20PM >>> As far as politics (and other things) are concerned I think that everyone is entitled to my opinion. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron To: Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 7:38 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk]Ron > > But, of course... In politics, there are only two > kinds of opinions: those I agree with and hogwash. > :-). > > -- Ron > > > Brian Miller wrote: > > > > Politics, uggg! > > > > >So far, it looks like the > > > administration is treating it like it's a burning > > > internal political issue: how can we make Mr. Bush > > > look good with the least effort. > > > > I couldn't disagree more with this hogwash, but thats what happens when > > politics are discussed! > > > > Brian Miller > > Michigan > > http://brian.grar.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 10:39 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk]Ron > > > > > > > > While I am not against the US action, I think it's > > > a show of force, more than anything else. The > > > American public wanted action, so they are giving > > > us action. It is not even clear the twin tower attack > > > was actually launched by the bin Laden faction alone. > > > Some experts on current terrorist organizations believe > > > it was actually engineered by Imad Mughniyeh (head of > > > the special overseas operations for Hizbulla) and > > > Ayman Al Zawahiri (member of Al-Qaeda). > > > > > > In any case, this is a war between Fundamentalist Islam > > > and Western Civilization. So far, it looks like the > > > administration is treating it like it's a burning > > > internal political issue: how can we make Mr. Bush > > > look good with the least effort. > > > > > > I hope I am wrong. We'll see... > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > > > > Out of 150++ countries in the entire planet, I happen to live in one of > > the > > > > only 3 countries whose people are against the US action. I don't know > > if I > > > > should be proud or start digging myself a new bunker. BTW the other 2 > > are > > > > pakistan and, surprise, phillipines, or so according to bloomberg (even > > the > > > > Saudis say nothing). > > > > > > > > What a sad and pathetic world we live in. > > > > > > > > Cheers, prost and wish me lots of luck ! :-) > > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Graham Nelson" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 11:47 AM > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk]Ron > > > > > > > > > LOL! Yeah! ;o) You're not wrong there!!! > > > > > > > > > > Gra' > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Oct 10 10:09:18 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 02:09:18 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Sony DAT Message-ID: <037b01c15162$dcc92860$083442cf@sank1> This is to let Graham know, since I am too lazy to dig up his personal email address at the moment, that his Sony TCD-D3 DAT portable arrived safely today. Just gave it a quick look over this afternoon, and it looks like we may need just a new plastic threading drive gear or two or three. It's about time you gave me some business, ya' freeloader! On the DAT subject, if anybody is interested, I am suddenly wealthy with nice DAT machines. So, if anyone is interested in either a Sony PCM-2500(best DAT ever, or damn near), a Panasonic SV-3700(not far down from the Sony) or yet another nice Sony TCD-D3 portable(best portable ever), let me know. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Oct 9 15:54:33 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 20:54:33 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak car speakers Message-ID: <000f01c150c9$ed3b0040$a1199bca@smarzuki> Hi Nakfellas, Does anybody ever use Nak car speakers ? Is it oem'd from other mfg (heard that it's from a/d/s/) ? Finally, is it any good ? Thanks much, Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 10 17:02:41 2001 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 08:02:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak car speakers In-Reply-To: <000f01c150c9$ed3b0040$a1199bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <20011010150241.8727.qmail@web13106.mail.yahoo.com> Salim, I don't know about the current Nak speakers, but, I love the old stuff. I've had SP-10's, SP-50's and SP-80's which were replaced later by a single SP-1010. The SP-50 was wonderful. Tight and amazing bottom end for such a smaller speaker. I used the SP-10/SP-50 combo for about a year before adding the SP-80 sub. With the SP-10/-50's I used a home made copy of the PC-100 which sounded great. I later bi-amped with a Nak EC-200H, but, never liked the results. I've also used the SP-65's, but, was never too impressed with them. SJ --- Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Hi Nakfellas, > > Does anybody ever use Nak car speakers ? Is it > oem'd from other mfg (heard > that it's from a/d/s/) ? Finally, is it any good ? > > Thanks much, > Salim SM > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Wed Oct 10 18:30:56 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 12:30:56 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Sony DAT References: <037b01c15162$dcc92860$083442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <008501c151a8$f0560790$0d756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> What are you asking for on the TCD-D3? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 4:09 AM Subject: [naktalk] Sony DAT > This is to let Graham know, since I am too lazy to dig up his personal email > address at the moment, that his Sony TCD-D3 DAT portable arrived safely > today. Just gave it a quick look over this afternoon, and it looks like we > may need just a new plastic threading drive gear or two or three. It's > about time you gave me some business, ya' freeloader! > On the DAT subject, if anybody is interested, I am suddenly wealthy with > nice DAT machines. So, if anyone is interested in either a Sony > PCM-2500(best DAT ever, or damn near), a Panasonic SV-3700(not far down from > the Sony) or yet another nice Sony TCD-D3 portable(best portable ever), let > me know. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Oct 9 19:30:53 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 00:30:53 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak car speakers References: <20011010150241.8727.qmail@web13106.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000501c150e8$261aa640$17299bca@smarzuki> Hi Scott, Thanks for your comment. What exactly is PC100 - a Nak home speaker ? The one I saw was SP-65, a bit too bright for me, anyway I plan to put the set on a box (will try to dismantle the tweeter) and use it for home ... because I'm curious how a Nak home speaker would sound like ! At least I hope the crossover would bear that Nak quality. Best regards, Salim SM PS: Do you know the difference between TD1200-II and TD1200 Limited ? Found both in a non working condition, the 'Limited' is without tuner unit (I can use the spare head), all for $50, what do you suggest ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Johnson" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 10:02 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak car speakers > Salim, > I don't know about the current Nak speakers, but, I > love the old stuff. I've had SP-10's, SP-50's and > SP-80's which were replaced later by a single SP-1010. > > The SP-50 was wonderful. Tight and amazing bottom end > for such a smaller speaker. I used the SP-10/SP-50 > combo for about a year before adding the SP-80 sub. > With the SP-10/-50's I used a home made copy of the > PC-100 which sounded great. I later bi-amped with a > Nak EC-200H, but, never liked the results. > > I've also used the SP-65's, but, was never too > impressed with them. > > SJ > > > --- Salim Marzuki wrote: ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Oct 10 19:37:07 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 18:37:07 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] FW: Great Adventures in Hi Fi In-Reply-To: <00dd01c149cd$d5a70260$30031fac@brianm> Message-ID: <000a01c151b2$2ece8700$bfe7193e@a4s1s2> Web pages. I have subscribed to S-phile years ago and most recently I had a subscription to TAS, it just ran out. As to your A-B tests e-mail, so do you subscribe to the "Consumer Reports theory", that all CD players sound the same, you are just buying features? Brian Miller Michigan Brian (Forgive the late reply - I started writing this and forgot I'd not finished!) Frankly, no, I don't think all CD players sound the same. I recall when I bought my first CD player, I didn't know what to expect because I'd not heard ANY. The shop played the same CD through the same cables, amps and speakers - just from different CD players. Now, all those CD players looked the same to me, too. All of 'em were black! The one I chose sounded different, slightly less strident than the others yet very detailed. I liked that and so I bought it. I suspect that if you took a Linn LP12 or a VPI or a Project turntable, each of them with a SME V arm, same phono lead and same cartridge, they'd all sound very similar, although there would be inherent differences caused by (I believe) such subtleties as the material of which the platter is made or the quality/type of the motor. However, with CD players, whilst they may have identical transports or even internal DACs they may still sound different I suspect because of a) the layout of the components, b) differences in shielding, and c) esp. the types of components used as I understand many have different sonic signatures. And like the TT's, I also suspect that differences in the quality/type of power supply could cause differences in sound, too. To give an example, the UK mains power supply where I live is very variable. I have a couple of old Aiwa tape decks. The speed stability of those old decks is audible when the machines is plugged directly into the mains. If I put a power regulator, that gives a proper curved sine wave and dead constant current o/p, the improvement in speed stability is very apparent - it's audible if you play a piano recording! However, whilst I've not tried to plug my ZX-9 directly into the wall socket I'm sure it would offer a far better performance than the Aiwa in terms of stability even without a power conditioner ... as I do know my Pioneer CTS830S does. Gra' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 10 20:20:59 2001 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 11:20:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak car speakers In-Reply-To: <000501c150e8$261aa640$17299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <20011010182059.99690.qmail@web13102.mail.yahoo.com> The PC100 is the passive crossover for the SP-10 and SP-50 combo. Here's a link to the brochure for the PC-100. Click on SP-80/SP-50/SP-10 - Page 3 http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/nak_mobile.html Scott J. --- Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Hi Scott, > > Thanks for your comment. What exactly is PC100 - a > Nak home speaker ? The > one I saw was SP-65, a bit too bright for me, anyway > I plan to put the set > on a box (will try to dismantle the tweeter) and use > it for home ... because > I'm curious how a Nak home speaker would sound like > ! At least I hope the > crossover would bear that Nak quality. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > PS: Do you know the difference between TD1200-II and > TD1200 Limited ? Found > both in a non working condition, the 'Limited' is > without tuner unit (I can > use the spare head), all for $50, what do you > suggest ? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott Johnson" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 10:02 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak car speakers > > > > Salim, > > I don't know about the current Nak speakers, but, > I > > love the old stuff. I've had SP-10's, SP-50's and > > SP-80's which were replaced later by a single > SP-1010. > > > > The SP-50 was wonderful. Tight and amazing bottom > end > > for such a smaller speaker. I used the > SP-10/SP-50 > > combo for about a year before adding the SP-80 > sub. > > With the SP-10/-50's I used a home made copy of > the > > PC-100 which sounded great. I later bi-amped with > a > > Nak EC-200H, but, never liked the results. > > > > I've also used the SP-65's, but, was never too > > impressed with them. > > > > SJ > > > > > > --- Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Wed Oct 10 20:54:23 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 11:54:23 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak car speakers References: <20011010150241.8727.qmail@web13106.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3BC4995B.DA38FDCD@pacbell.net> ADS used to make great speakers and components, in my opinion. I do not think they are in business any longer (correct me if I am wrong). ADS and NAK used to be in some sort of collaboration way back producing ads/nak systems for portable/mobile audio. I too am curious about any current collaboration, if one exists. Also, for NAK car audio folks in the know, do you know what this component does: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1283779346 Thank you Brian Stocker Scott Johnson wrote: > Salim, > I don't know about the current Nak speakers, but, I > love the old stuff. I've had SP-10's, SP-50's and > SP-80's which were replaced later by a single SP-1010. > > The SP-50 was wonderful. Tight and amazing bottom end > for such a smaller speaker. I used the SP-10/SP-50 > combo for about a year before adding the SP-80 sub. > With the SP-10/-50's I used a home made copy of the > PC-100 which sounded great. I later bi-amped with a > Nak EC-200H, but, never liked the results. > > I've also used the SP-65's, but, was never too > impressed with them. > > SJ > > --- Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > Hi Nakfellas, > > > > Does anybody ever use Nak car speakers ? Is it > > oem'd from other mfg (heard > > that it's from a/d/s/) ? 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URL: From smoke at snip.net Wed Oct 10 21:01:59 2001 From: smoke at snip.net (John M. Smokevitch) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 15:01:59 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] NAK Car Head Units & Speakers References: <000001c1508c$b16ae220$826087d9@a4s1s2> <3BC327B6.7808CE17@pacbell.net> <007001c150e1$e3b1f980$7a2bfea9@brianm> <023d01c150f0$923674a0$083442cf@sank1> <3BC355B3.AF16192@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3BC49B27.F5B41EFC@snip.net> Based on the research I've been doing for my "ultimate" car audio system, If you want pure, natural sound (not the bass-heavy sound you often hear), the NAK head units are considered the best by those who do high end installations. Especially revealing were the comments from a/d/s installers (a/d/s makes possibly the best speakers and some very good amps) because a/d/s doesn't make head units. Almost uniformly the response I get is that NAK makes the best head units out there on the high end--but they are pricey. The CD-700 is possibly the best single CD player out there they say and it has a pre-amp section second only to the NAK TP-1200 and it has a CD-Changer control so that it can be mated to a NAK MF-51 CD changer, taking the digital out from the MF-51 into the CD-700 directly. But it lists for about $1,700 and you can get it for about $1,050 to $1,100. The TP-1200 is a tuner -preamp only, so you'd have to mate it to a MF-51 and/or a TD-1200II or TD-700 to get CD and/or cassette playback. While it's supposed to be the best preamp out there according to the installers with whom I've checked it's really pricey retailing at over $2,100 and can be found at about $1,700. The MB-100 seems to be the best compromise. It's a 6-disk in a single DIN slot CD-changer with an outboard preamp module and a 24-bit DAC. Some installers say it's preamp section is equal to or maybe a little bit better than the CD-700's, others prefer the CD-700. All agree that the CD-700 is the best CD playback unit NAK makes and maybe the best out there. All agree that the TP-1200 is the best preamp. But all agree that the MB-100 is really really close as both a preamp and for CD playback. However, it doesn't have separate subwoofer out RCA's as does the CD-700. Price is where the MB-100 wins out in my opinion. It retails for about $1,100 and can be found at $650 sometimes. On eBay there's currently a dutch auction today at $650. The best other price I've found has been $663. These are prices for new, in-the-box units with full warranty. Given the price differentials, I'm probably going to go with the MB-100. The rest of my ultimate system will be a/d/s 335c's in the front, a/d/s 235im's or 335im's for rear fill, and an a/d/s 312rs.2 12" aluminum sub in a custom enclosure designed to fit unobtrusively in the trunk for the subwoofer. In addition to my modified NAK TD1200II, I plan to use an a/d/s P4100 (100W x 4 @ 4 ohms) to drive the fronts and the rear fills and maybe the new NAK PA2100 bridged to drive the subwoofer. As far as NAK's car speakers go, they're nowhere near as good as the old SP-10's, SP-50's and SP-80's. At the prices their current models are going for you're better off with a/d/s speakers. There are some sources out there with good prices. Contact me off-Nak talk if interested. Incidentally, I've got a pair of really nice NAK SP-80's, used but in the original box and packaging. While not as good as the a/d/s subs, they don't have to be mounted in in enclosures (as the a/d/s subs do) and are perhaps one of the best subs around for mounting in the rear deck. That's why I've kept them, and had I not decided to go with a/d/s subs in an enclosure, I would have used them. I hope the results of my research has been helpful to the interested NAK talkers out there. Best regards, John Jim Volpatti wrote: > Stephen, > > Any opinions on the performance and reliability of the Nak MB-100 > in-dash CD changer with its outboard DAC and preamp? > > Thanks in advance! > > Jim Volpatti > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > The TD-700 is only slightly inferior in performance to the TD-1200, which is > > without doubt the best car cassette ever. But, the TD-700 is far more > > reliable, needing usually only belts every five or so years(and now, PC > > board glue removal!). The TD-1200 was prone to developing flakey & multiple > > electronic problems. > > The only hitch is that these decks were known for not having the best > > tuners. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 11 00:21:06 2001 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 15:21:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak Car Audio In-Reply-To: <3BC4995B.DA38FDCD@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <20011010222106.18459.qmail@web13107.mail.yahoo.com> That Power Port 2 on eBay is sleeve for a removeable Nak car decks (not sure which ones are compatible). Nak took the crummy power amp that most car audio companies integrate into the head unit and put it in the sleeve. So you buy a Nak head unit and then you buy the sleeve with the power amp and all the other connections (power, gnd, antenna, remote, line in/out, etc.) I think they had one sleeve with not power amp and then two more with power amps of different ratings. SJ --- britri at pacbell.net wrote: > ADS used to make great speakers and components, in > my opinion. I do not think they > are in business any longer (correct me if I am > wrong). ADS and NAK used to be in some > sort of collaboration way back producing ads/nak > systems for portable/mobile audio. I > too am curious about any current collaboration, if > one exists. > > Also, for NAK car audio folks in the know, do you > know what this component does: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1283779346 > > Thank you > > Brian Stocker > > Scott Johnson wrote: > > > Salim, > > I don't know about the current Nak speakers, but, > I > > love the old stuff. I've had SP-10's, SP-50's and > > SP-80's which were replaced later by a single > SP-1010. > > > > The SP-50 was wonderful. Tight and amazing bottom > end > > for such a smaller speaker. I used the > SP-10/SP-50 > > combo for about a year before adding the SP-80 > sub. > > With the SP-10/-50's I used a home made copy of > the > > PC-100 which sounded great. I later bi-amped with > a > > Nak EC-200H, but, never liked the results. > > > > I've also used the SP-65's, but, was never too > > impressed with them. > > > > SJ > > > > --- Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > > Hi Nakfellas, > > > > > > Does anybody ever use Nak car speakers ? Is it > > > oem'd from other mfg (heard > > > that it's from a/d/s/) ? Finally, is it any > good ? > > > > > > Thanks much, > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Make a great connection at Yahoo! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ChefBum at aol.com Thu Oct 11 00:31:26 2001 From: ChefBum at aol.com (ChefBum at aol.com) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 18:31:26 EDT Subject: [naktalk] sorry, off topic question about XLR cables.. Message-ID: sorry guys, kinda off the topic of Naks, but I know that there are a number of very knowledgeable participants on this board who may be able to help me. Where can I get a set of reasonably priced XLR (balanced) interconnects for a preamp/poweramp connection?? Should employ female XLR connectors at each end, I believe. All of the audioadvisor.com cables are upwards of $200, and I find it hard to believe that they don't come any cheaper than that. Some pro gear stores (samash.com, jandr.com) have a limited amount of balanced cables, but nothing that fits the bill. Am I stuck with paying so much for balanced XLR interconnects? Are they worth the effort to obtain and hook up over unbalanced RCAs? Any suggestions, info, or opinions would be appreciated. Dave ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Thu Oct 11 00:54:50 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 15:54:50 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Car Audio References: <20011010222106.18459.qmail@web13107.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3BC4D1AC.75F9839E@pacbell.net> Thank you SJ, So should I assume that this is a "crummy" modest power amp with specific compatibilities. What do you Nakers think of McIntosh car amps and the newest Mac head unit (cant remember the model # but it is a great, classic looking mac piece) Brian Stocker Scott Johnson wrote: > That Power Port 2 on eBay is sleeve for a removeable > Nak car decks (not sure which ones are compatible). > Nak took the crummy power amp that most car audio > companies integrate into the head unit and put it in > the sleeve. So you buy a Nak head unit and then you > buy the sleeve with the power amp and all the other > connections (power, gnd, antenna, remote, line in/out, > etc.) I think they had one sleeve with not power amp > and then two more with power amps of different > ratings. > > SJ > --- britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > ADS used to make great speakers and components, in > > my opinion. I do not think they > > are in business any longer (correct me if I am > > wrong). ADS and NAK used to be in some > > sort of collaboration way back producing ads/nak > > systems for portable/mobile audio. I > > too am curious about any current collaboration, if > > one exists. > > > > Also, for NAK car audio folks in the know, do you > > know what this component does: > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1283779346 > > > > Thank you > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > Scott Johnson wrote: > > > > > Salim, > > > I don't know about the current Nak speakers, but, > > I > > > love the old stuff. I've had SP-10's, SP-50's and > > > SP-80's which were replaced later by a single > > SP-1010. > > > > > > The SP-50 was wonderful. Tight and amazing bottom > > end > > > for such a smaller speaker. I used the > > SP-10/SP-50 > > > combo for about a year before adding the SP-80 > > sub. > > > With the SP-10/-50's I used a home made copy of > > the > > > PC-100 which sounded great. I later bi-amped with > > a > > > Nak EC-200H, but, never liked the results. > > > > > > I've also used the SP-65's, but, was never too > > > impressed with them. > > > > > > SJ > > > > > > --- Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Nakfellas, > > > > > > > > Does anybody ever use Nak car speakers ? Is it > > > > oem'd from other mfg (heard > > > > that it's from a/d/s/) ? Finally, is it any > > good ? > > > > > > > > Thanks much, > > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Make a great connection at Yahoo! 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URL: From britri at pacbell.net Thu Oct 11 01:07:54 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 16:07:54 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] sorry, off topic question about XLR cables.. References: Message-ID: <3BC4D4BC.EF7D5FE7@pacbell.net> Dave, I had to make 2 app 100 foot runs of balanced xlr's from preamp to amp and I made my own with radioshack connectors and fairly thin 3 conductor wire (the kind with foil shielding) After all that trouble I was not happy with the sound so I moved everything over near the speakers and hooked the amp and preamp with very modest, but not cheapo rca interconnects. The sound was much better, especially in the lo end. So, I need to do the same thing via the balanced ins and outs. My first step will be to desolder the long wires from the ends and make a 1 meter pair. my preamp accepts male ends and my power amp accepts female ends. How is it that you have the need for female on both ends? Now Dave and I have a question for the experts. Is there a measurable/hearable difference between balanced and unbalanced configurations. Thanks for your help folks Brian Stocker ChefBum at aol.com wrote: > sorry guys, kinda off the topic of Naks, but I know that there are a number > of very knowledgeable participants on this board who may be able to help me. > > Where can I get a set of reasonably priced XLR (balanced) interconnects for a > preamp/poweramp connection?? Should employ female XLR connectors at each > end, I believe. > > All of the audioadvisor.com cables are upwards of $200, and I find it hard to > believe that they don't come any cheaper than that. Some pro gear stores > (samash.com, jandr.com) have a limited amount of balanced cables, but nothing > that fits the bill. > > Am I stuck with paying so much for balanced XLR interconnects? Are they > worth the effort to obtain and hook up over unbalanced RCAs? Any > suggestions, info, or opinions would be appreciated. > > Dave > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ChefBum at aol.com Thu Oct 11 01:11:14 2001 From: ChefBum at aol.com (ChefBum at aol.com) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 19:11:14 EDT Subject: [naktalk] sorry, off topic question about XLR cables.. Message-ID: <150.24dad4b.28f62f92@aol.com> thanks for the comments, Brian. From what I've gathered in the research so far, is that balanced XLR cables probably wouldn't hurt, and could very well help the overall sound quality. They were originally meant as a solution for pro gear in which long runs result in cable hum. So, I would imagine that at the very least, hum would be less. Not that it's an issue even now. Balanced cables do seem more robust, and even though I don't fully understand the electric principles behind them, the additional connectors do seem to suggest a more solid electrical connection. I believe that Bryston does sell its own cable, but even that is upwards of $200. I'd be interested in anything up to about $100 for a 1-2M pair length. I think that's plenty, don't you think? Dave ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 11 01:13:23 2001 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 16:13:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] XLR cables.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20011010231323.42502.qmail@web13102.mail.yahoo.com> Your local musical instrument store (Sam Ash, Guitar Center, etc.) should have XLR cables. You can also buy on-line at www.guitarcenter.com and then click "Buy On-line" in the upper right corner. $24.95 for a 15 foot run of Monster Cable brand. The cable you most likely want are male to female, not female, female. Equipment always has female connector/male pins on the outputs and male connector/female pins on the inputs. Therefore the cable is male to female. For short runs unbalanced RCA cables should be just fine. SJ --- ChefBum at aol.com wrote: > sorry guys, kinda off the topic of Naks, but I know > that there are a number > of very knowledgeable participants on this board who > may be able to help me. > > Where can I get a set of reasonably priced XLR > (balanced) interconnects for a > preamp/poweramp connection?? Should employ female > XLR connectors at each > end, I believe. > > All of the audioadvisor.com cables are upwards of > $200, and I find it hard to > believe that they don't come any cheaper than that. > Some pro gear stores > (samash.com, jandr.com) have a limited amount of > balanced cables, but nothing > that fits the bill. > > Am I stuck with paying so much for balanced XLR > interconnects? Are they > worth the effort to obtain and hook up over > unbalanced RCAs? Any > suggestions, info, or opinions would be appreciated. > > Dave > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From epatsellis at mcleodusa.net Thu Oct 11 03:33:49 2001 From: epatsellis at mcleodusa.net (erie patsellis) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 18:33:49 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Car Audio References: <20011010222106.18459.qmail@web13107.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003301c151f4$c7b543e0$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> I have several power port 2 and 3's available, if anyone needs or wants one. erie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Johnson" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 3:21 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Car Audio > That Power Port 2 on eBay is sleeve for a removeable > Nak car decks (not sure which ones are compatible). > Nak took the crummy power amp that most car audio > companies integrate into the head unit and put it in > the sleeve. So you buy a Nak head unit and then you > buy the sleeve with the power amp and all the other > connections (power, gnd, antenna, remote, line in/out, > etc.) I think they had one sleeve with not power amp > and then two more with power amps of different > ratings. > > SJ > --- britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > ADS used to make great speakers and components, in > > my opinion. I do not think they > > are in business any longer (correct me if I am > > wrong). ADS and NAK used to be in some > > sort of collaboration way back producing ads/nak > > systems for portable/mobile audio. I > > too am curious about any current collaboration, if > > one exists. > > > > Also, for NAK car audio folks in the know, do you > > know what this component does: > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1283779346 > > > > Thank you > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > Scott Johnson wrote: > > > > > Salim, > > > I don't know about the current Nak speakers, but, > > I > > > love the old stuff. I've had SP-10's, SP-50's and > > > SP-80's which were replaced later by a single > > SP-1010. > > > > > > The SP-50 was wonderful. Tight and amazing bottom > > end > > > for such a smaller speaker. I used the > > SP-10/SP-50 > > > combo for about a year before adding the SP-80 > > sub. > > > With the SP-10/-50's I used a home made copy of > > the > > > PC-100 which sounded great. I later bi-amped with > > a > > > Nak EC-200H, but, never liked the results. > > > > > > I've also used the SP-65's, but, was never too > > > impressed with them. > > > > > > SJ > > > > > > --- Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Nakfellas, > > > > > > > > Does anybody ever use Nak car speakers ? Is it > > > > oem'd from other mfg (heard > > > > that it's from a/d/s/) ? Finally, is it any > > good ? > > > > > > > > Thanks much, > > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Make a great connection at Yahoo! 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Personals. > http://personals.yahoo.com > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu Oct 11 01:50:10 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 16:50:10 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] sorry, off topic question about XLR cables.. References: Message-ID: <3BC4DEB2.A5F17B27@earthlink.net> Hi Dave, InnerSound just came out with a VERY reasonably priced line of interconnect and speaker cables that may interest you. Click here for more information: http://www.innersound.net/cables.htm If you do not have a local InnerSound dealer or need further assistance, let me know. I carry the full line and am here to help. Jim Volpatti ChefBum at aol.com wrote: > > sorry guys, kinda off the topic of Naks, but I know that there are a number > of very knowledgeable participants on this board who may be able to help me. > > Where can I get a set of reasonably priced XLR (balanced) interconnects for a > preamp/poweramp connection?? Should employ female XLR connectors at each > end, I believe. > > All of the audioadvisor.com cables are upwards of $200, and I find it hard to > believe that they don't come any cheaper than that. Some pro gear stores > (samash.com, jandr.com) have a limited amount of balanced cables, but nothing > that fits the bill. > > Am I stuck with paying so much for balanced XLR interconnects? Are they > worth the effort to obtain and hook up over unbalanced RCAs? Any > suggestions, info, or opinions would be appreciated. > > Dave > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu Oct 11 02:52:21 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 20:52:21 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] sorry, off topic question about XLR cables.. References: <3BC4D4BC.EF7D5FE7@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <3BC4ED45.8E0A4B5F@concentric.net> britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > Dave, I had to make 2 app 100 foot runs of balanced xlr's from preamp to amp and I > made my own with radioshack connectors and fairly thin 3 conductor wire (the kind with > foil shielding) After all that trouble I was not happy with the sound so I moved > everything over near the speakers and hooked the amp and preamp with very modest, but > not cheapo rca interconnects. The sound was much better, especially in the lo end. > So, I need to do the same thing via the balanced ins and outs. My first step will be > to desolder the long wires from the ends and make a 1 meter pair. my preamp accepts > male ends and my power amp accepts female ends. How is it that you have the need for > female on both ends? > > Now Dave and I have a question for the experts. Is there a measurable/hearable > difference between balanced and unbalanced configurations. The obvious advantage of balanced cables is the reduced susceptibility to noise and hum pick up. There is also a slight reduction in the noise produced by the driving and receiving circuitry. This can significant in noisy environment. For short interconnects in the normal home environment, it's a non-issue. As to sound quality, the short answer is, "Generally, no, it does not improve sound. But, this depends on the equipment." The longer answer is that balanced interconnects, by themselves, do nothing for sound quality. However, IF (note that's a big if) the connection is fed by truly balanced circuitry and also feeds truly balanced circuitry, then even harmonics in the balanced portion of the circuitry is eliminated (in theory -- when the balance is perfect. 'All but eliminated', in real world terms). -- Ron > > Thanks for your help folks > > Brian Stocker > > ChefBum at aol.com wrote: > > > sorry guys, kinda off the topic of Naks, but I know that there are a number > > of very knowledgeable participants on this board who may be able to help me. > > > > Where can I get a set of reasonably priced XLR (balanced) interconnects for a > > preamp/poweramp connection?? Should employ female XLR connectors at each > > end, I believe. > > > > All of the audioadvisor.com cables are upwards of $200, and I find it hard to > > believe that they don't come any cheaper than that. Some pro gear stores > > (samash.com, jandr.com) have a limited amount of balanced cables, but nothing > > that fits the bill. > > > > Am I stuck with paying so much for balanced XLR interconnects? Are they > > worth the effort to obtain and hook up over unbalanced RCAs? Any > > suggestions, info, or opinions would be appreciated. > > > > Dave ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu Oct 11 02:55:02 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 20:55:02 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] sorry, off topic question about XLR cables.. References: Message-ID: <3BC4EDE6.9C854BF6@concentric.net> You're *not* stuck with paying so much for balanced XLR interconnects, if you can use a soldering iron or have a friend that can. Cost of components for the cable is far, far lower than $100. -- Ron ChefBum at aol.com wrote: > > sorry guys, kinda off the topic of Naks, but I know that there are a number > of very knowledgeable participants on this board who may be able to help me. > > Where can I get a set of reasonably priced XLR (balanced) interconnects for a > preamp/poweramp connection?? Should employ female XLR connectors at each > end, I believe. > > All of the audioadvisor.com cables are upwards of $200, and I find it hard to > believe that they don't come any cheaper than that. Some pro gear stores > (samash.com, jandr.com) have a limited amount of balanced cables, but nothing > that fits the bill. > > Am I stuck with paying so much for balanced XLR interconnects? Are they > worth the effort to obtain and hook up over unbalanced RCAs? Any > suggestions, info, or opinions would be appreciated. > > Dave > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Thu Oct 11 04:36:28 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 22:36:28 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] sorry, off topic question about XLR cables.. References: Message-ID: <00a501c151fd$87afb6a0$0bec3fd0@oemcomputer> The best place to buy the balanced cables would be www.markertek.com they sellmade up cables bulk cable and decent parts like Neutrik if your equipment is balanced it may make a difference as to why well start here http://www.rane.com/pdf/groundin.pdf http://www.jensen-transformers.com/an/ts_guide.pdf Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Thu Oct 11 09:23:33 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:23:33 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F57E2@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Guys, To start working on my newly acquired 682ZX I need a couple of pages off its Service Manual, namely those desribing the elecrtrical alignment/adjustment procedures. Would be much obliged. Anybody? Nick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Oct 11 09:50:49 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 14:50:49 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX Message-ID: <20011011075049.QGCH11491.jktsm01@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> Nick, hopefully I'll be getting my own copy soon. But if you can get a procedures' pdf in the meantime, could you kindly send me a copy ? :-) Salim SM > Guys, > > To start working on my newly acquired 682ZX I need a couple of pages off its > Service Manual, namely those desribing the elecrtrical alignment/adjustment > procedures. Would be much obliged. Anybody? > > Nick > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ==== > === > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ==== > === ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Oct 11 09:40:23 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 14:40:23 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX Message-ID: <20011011074023.TPQT11522.jktsm02@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> Nick, hopefully I'll be getting my own copy soon. But if you can get a procedures' pdf in the meantime, could you kindly send me a copy ? :-) Salim SM > Guys, > > To start working on my newly acquired 682ZX I need a couple of pages off its > Service Manual, namely those desribing the elecrtrical alignment/adjustment > procedures. Would be much obliged. Anybody? > > Nick > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ==== > === > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ==== > === ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Thu Oct 11 10:07:24 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 12:07:24 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F57E4@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Sure, buddy. But this will depend on our fellows Naktalkers - whether somebody has the time/opportunity to make a scan or not. Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id [SMTP:smarzuki at indosat.net.id] > Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 12:40 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 682ZX > > > Nick, hopefully I'll be getting my own copy soon. But if you can get a > procedures' pdf in the meantime, could you kindly send me a copy ? :-) > > Salim SM > > > > Guys, > > > > To start working on my newly acquired 682ZX I need a couple of pages off > its > > Service Manual, namely those desribing the elecrtrical > alignment/adjustment > > procedures. Would be much obliged. Anybody? > > > > Nick > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ==== > > === > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ==== > > === > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ChefBum at aol.com Thu Oct 11 17:38:18 2001 From: ChefBum at aol.com (ChefBum at aol.com) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:38:18 EDT Subject: [naktalk] sorry, off topic question about XLR cables.. Message-ID: <15d.25713c1.28f716ea@aol.com> Thanks very much to you, Warren, and others for the great info! Dave In a message dated 10/10/01 7:40:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time, wtremain at bellsouth.net writes: << The best place to buy the balanced cables would be www.markertek.com they sellmade up cables bulk cable and decent parts like Neutrik if your equipment is balanced it may make a difference as to why well start here http://www.rane.com/pdf/groundin.pdf http://www.jensen-transformers.com/an/ts_guide.pdf >> ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Thu Oct 11 19:43:55 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 10:43:55 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] sorry, off topic question about XLR cables.. References: <150.24dad4b.28f62f92@aol.com> Message-ID: <3BC5DA56.1BF3F962@pacbell.net> Dave, and all interested. I digress to the last few weeks postings regarding quality V price of interconnects and speaker cable. There was so much valuable exchange of information that one should be able to make one's own decision using one's own hearing, preferences and judgment. There is more to balanced than avoidance of picking up RF and other artifacts, I think, and has to do with the fact that input and output impedance is the same on both ends--thus the term balanced. What that tells me is that there could be a more free flow of signal across the connection which makes sense. But is that a correct assumption and, if so, is there an audible/measurable improvement? I believe one of the recent postings suggested that when trying out interconnects, determine if there is a possibility of buying on a trial basis, with the option of trading up, down and laterally. Since recent cable discussion did not focus much, if at all, on balanced xlr and 1/4 inch interconnects, keep us posted through your decision making. I am not aware of any Naks that have balanced outs, I suppose that some of the pro models have this configuration. I am told that McIntosh' newest preamp, which I considered buying until the STICKER SHOCK set in, is completely balanced from input thru output and has no tone/eq controls as a result, I am not sure what this means entirely because most components do not offer balanced outputs to mate with preamps. Any technowiz out there in Nakland know what this means? Thank you very much Brian Stocker ChefBum at aol.com wrote: > thanks for the comments, Brian. From what I've gathered in the research so > far, is that balanced XLR cables probably wouldn't hurt, and could very well > help the overall sound quality. They were originally meant as a solution for > pro gear in which long runs result in cable hum. So, I would imagine that at > the very least, hum would be less. Not that it's an issue even now. > > Balanced cables do seem more robust, and even though I don't fully understand > the electric principles behind them, the additional connectors do seem to > suggest a more solid electrical connection. > > I believe that Bryston does sell its own cable, but even that is upwards of > $200. I'd be interested in anything up to about $100 for a 1-2M pair length. > I think that's plenty, don't you think? > > Dave > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Thu Oct 11 20:04:16 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 14:04:16 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] sorry, off topic question about XLR cables.. References: <150.24dad4b.28f62f92@aol.com> <3BC5DA56.1BF3F962@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <017801c1527f$24d35b40$7a2bfea9@brianm> Brian, I will leave it to Stephan, Ron and/or others to explain "completely balanced", but I will comment that on the contray, a lot of, if not most, "hi-end" equipment have balanced inputs/outputs. For EX: I have a Meridian 508.24 CD player, it has both balanced and RCA outs, as does my Fanfare tuner. I have a Mark Levinson integrated amp, it excepts 2 balanced in and three RCA ins. I have a McIntosh C42 preamp at the moment and it has one balanced input and balanced and RCA outputs. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ChefBum at aol.com Thu Oct 11 20:13:42 2001 From: ChefBum at aol.com (ChefBum at aol.com) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 14:13:42 EDT Subject: [naktalk] sorry, off topic question about XLR cables.. Message-ID: <137.2ea13fb.28f73b56@aol.com> In a message dated 10/11/01 11:06:36 AM Pacific Daylight Time, brianm at grar.com writes: << Brian, I will leave it to Stephan, Ron and/or others to explain "completely balanced", but I will comment that on the contray, a lot of, if not most, "hi-end" equipment have balanced inputs/outputs. For EX: I have a Meridian 508.24 CD player, it has both balanced and RCA outs, as does my Fanfare tuner. I have a Mark Levinson integrated amp, it excepts 2 balanced in and three RCA ins. I have a McIntosh C42 preamp at the moment and it has one balanced input and balanced and RCA outputs. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com >> I agree, it seems pretty obvious that as you get into the higher end, balanced inputs and outputs get more common. That doesn't seem to imply that you need balanced to get high fidelity sound, or that all high end stuff has such connections. But you certainly don't see balanced connections on anything lower end. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From hparekh at netcom-sys.com Thu Oct 11 23:13:40 2001 From: hparekh at netcom-sys.com (Hitesh Parekh) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 17:13:40 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Problem with Nak RX-505... Message-ID: <004101c15299$99e4d7f0$f60408a1@hparekh> Hi! I'm facing some problem with my Nakamichi RX505. The Tape Deck stops or reverses the cassette every time I play it, depending on Auto-Reverse turned, On/Off. The cassette plays only for as long as 10 minutes w/o any stops to as short as few seconds! I also tried with 6 new seal packed cassettes to rule out problems with the cassettes. I know that it has an advanced gear mechanism by which it stops the player from eating the cassette reel. I also rewound and FFed the cassettes on both the sides but still the problem persists. Can you let me know, where the problem is & how much approximately will it cost to fix it? Do you know anyone in NJ who can repair it reliably & is affordable!!! Since I might have to send it for repairs, do you think it'll be a good idea to get it lubricated & recalibrated? How much that would cost? Thank you. With warm regards, Hitesh Parekh ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Oct 12 00:12:52 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 18:12:52 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] sorry, off topic question about XLR cables.. References: <150.24dad4b.28f62f92@aol.com> <3BC5DA56.1BF3F962@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <3BC61964.90D117B@concentric.net> britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > Dave, and all interested. > > [...] > > There is more to balanced than avoidance of picking up RF > and other artifacts, I think, and has to do with the fact > that input and output impedance is the same on both > ends--thus the term balanced. What that tells me is that > there could be a more free flow of signal across the > connection which makes sense. But is that a correct > assumption and, if so, is there an audible/measurable > improvement? 'Balanced' has nothing to do with I/O impedances. In a balanced interconnect, two replicas of the signal are transmitted, one out of phase with the other. The balanced input is designed such that it only out of phase input signals are amplified. (In active circuitry, 'balanced' is known as 'push-pull'.) Since any noise or hum is picked up equally by the two leads, it will be in-phase and the input will ignore it. Two additional factors help in reducing noise pickup further. First, because two signals are transmitted, the effective signal level is twice as high as the unbalanced counterpart. Second, the shield does not carry signal current, reducing ground loops and the associated hum. As already mentioned, there is no sonic improvement. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Oct 12 06:22:15 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 09:52:15 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Problem with Nak RX-505... Message-ID: <002401c152d5$7ab553a0$42d60192@vsnl> Hitesh I feel one of the belt connected to sensing mechanism ( circular wheel with holes - light bulb on one side and a sensor on the other ) for detecting stoppage of reel hubs might be slipping and needs change. However if you machine had not seen any service for last five years or so, it is worthwhile trying regular servicing. Looks like Stephen sank at New mexico ( one of our Naktalk member) will be the ideal person to do the needful as we know that he has the magic touch of getting the best of any nak decks. Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Hitesh Parekh To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Friday, October 12, 2001 3:15 AM Subject: [naktalk] Problem with Nak RX-505... >Hi! > >I'm facing some problem with my Nakamichi RX505. > >The Tape Deck stops or reverses the cassette every time I play it, depending >on Auto-Reverse turned, On/Off. The cassette plays only for as long as 10 >minutes w/o any stops to as short as few seconds! I also tried with 6 new >seal packed cassettes to rule out problems with the cassettes. > >I know that it has an advanced gear mechanism by which it stops the player >from eating the cassette reel. I also rewound and FFed the cassettes on both >the sides but still the problem persists. > >Can you let me know, where the problem is & how much approximately will it >cost to fix it? >Do you know anyone in NJ who can repair it reliably & is affordable!!! >Since I might have to send it for repairs, do you think it'll be a good idea >to get it lubricated & recalibrated? How much that would cost? > >Thank you. > >With warm regards, > >Hitesh Parekh > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Oct 11 18:33:28 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 23:33:28 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Problem with Nak RX-505... References: <002401c152d5$7ab553a0$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: <002e01c15275$f08fed20$4c289bca@smarzuki> Hi Kannan & Hitesh, This is one of the symptoms on my 202 - which used reel reflection instead of old naks rotating wheel - but only during the first few minutes of playback. On my case I'd suspect either a faulty part near transport switches area or a faulty microprocessor. Best solution is to send it to Stephen as I've replaced almost every part on logic board with no result. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kannan. S" To: Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 11:22 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Problem with Nak RX-505... > Hitesh > I feel one of the belt connected to sensing mechanism ( circular wheel with > holes - light bulb on one side and a sensor on the other ) for detecting > stoppage of reel hubs might be slipping and needs change. However if you > machine had not seen any service for last five years or so, it is worthwhile > trying regular servicing. > Looks like Stephen sank at New mexico ( one of our Naktalk member) will be > the ideal person to do the needful as we know that he has the magic touch of > getting the best of any nak decks. > Kannan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Hitesh Parekh > To: naktalk at naks.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Oct 11 19:06:44 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 00:06:44 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak car speakers References: <20011010182059.99690.qmail@web13102.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003301c15277$1b1177c0$4c289bca@smarzuki> Hi Scott, Found an SP80 today and planned to put that and SP65 inside a box for home use. Crossover is SP65C which is a 12db consisting of 0.5mH + 15uF in series with 1 ohm resistor for LF and 2D475K capacitor (what the hell does that mean - 4.7 uF ?) + 0.4 mH for HF. But of course you already knew that ... if you don't mind, could you please tell me what's inside PC100 ? Is the EC200H also a 12db xo ? These SP65 coax looks like SP10 with, ahem, SP60. :-) I already disassembled the tweeter part, probably midbass would sound better with no large tweeter in front of it. Thanks again for the info ! Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Johnson" To: Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 1:20 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak car speakers > The PC100 is the passive crossover for the SP-10 and > SP-50 combo. > > Here's a link to the brochure for the PC-100. > Click on SP-80/SP-50/SP-10 - Page 3 > http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/nak_mobile.html > > Scott J. > > --- Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > Hi Scott, > > > > Thanks for your comment. What exactly is PC100 - a > > Nak home speaker ? The > > one I saw was SP-65, a bit too bright for me, anyway > > I plan to put the set > > on a box (will try to dismantle the tweeter) and use > > it for home ... because > > I'm curious how a Nak home speaker would sound like > > ! At least I hope the > > crossover would bear that Nak quality. > > > > Best regards, > > Salim SM > > > > PS: Do you know the difference between TD1200-II and > > TD1200 Limited ? Found > > both in a non working condition, the 'Limited' is > > without tuner unit (I can > > use the spare head), all for $50, what do you > > suggest ? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Scott Johnson" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 10:02 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak car speakers > > > > > > > Salim, > > > I don't know about the current Nak speakers, but, > > I > > > love the old stuff. I've had SP-10's, SP-50's and > > > SP-80's which were replaced later by a single > > SP-1010. > > > > > > The SP-50 was wonderful. Tight and amazing bottom > > end > > > for such a smaller speaker. I used the > > SP-10/SP-50 > > > combo for about a year before adding the SP-80 > > sub. > > > With the SP-10/-50's I used a home made copy of > > the > > > PC-100 which sounded great. I later bi-amped with > > a > > > Nak EC-200H, but, never liked the results. > > > > > > I've also used the SP-65's, but, was never too > > > impressed with them. > > > > > > SJ > > > > > > > > > --- Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make a great connection at Yahoo! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 12 19:20:56 2001 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 10:20:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak car speakers In-Reply-To: <003301c15277$1b1177c0$4c289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <20011012172056.4029.qmail@web13107.mail.yahoo.com> Salim, Somewhere I have the box design info for the SP80's (from Nakamichi). When I find it I'll shoot it over to you. The tweeter in the SP-65 is nowhere near as good as the SP-10. At home I have the schematic for the PC-100. I'll send that to you tonight is no one else beat me to it. The EC-200 and EC-200H are 18 dB/octave active crossovers (line level in and out, not speaker level). I have the service manual for them. If you want the schematic I can shoot you a copy, but, it's not something you would want to build unless you are really good at breadboarding. SJ --- Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Hi Scott, > > Found an SP80 today and planned to put that and SP65 > inside a box for home > use. Crossover is SP65C which is a 12db consisting > of 0.5mH + 15uF in > series with 1 ohm resistor for LF and 2D475K > capacitor (what the hell does > that mean - 4.7 uF ?) + 0.4 mH for HF. But of > course you already knew that > ... if you don't mind, could you please tell me > what's inside PC100 ? Is > the EC200H also a 12db xo ? > > These SP65 coax looks like SP10 with, ahem, SP60. > :-) I already > disassembled the tweeter part, probably midbass > would sound better with no > large tweeter in front of it. > > Thanks again for the info ! > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott Johnson" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 1:20 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak car speakers > > > > The PC100 is the passive crossover for the SP-10 > and > > SP-50 combo. > > > > Here's a link to the brochure for the PC-100. > > Click on SP-80/SP-50/SP-10 - Page 3 > > > http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/nak_mobile.html > > > > Scott J. > > > > --- Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > > Hi Scott, > > > > > > Thanks for your comment. What exactly is PC100 > - a > > > Nak home speaker ? The > > > one I saw was SP-65, a bit too bright for me, > anyway > > > I plan to put the set > > > on a box (will try to dismantle the tweeter) and > use > > > it for home ... because > > > I'm curious how a Nak home speaker would sound > like > > > ! At least I hope the > > > crossover would bear that Nak quality. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Salim SM > > > > > > PS: Do you know the difference between TD1200-II > and > > > TD1200 Limited ? Found > > > both in a non working condition, the 'Limited' > is > > > without tuner unit (I can > > > use the spare head), all for $50, what do you > > > suggest ? > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Scott Johnson" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 10:02 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak car speakers > > > > > > > > > > Salim, > > > > I don't know about the current Nak speakers, > but, > > > I > > > > love the old stuff. I've had SP-10's, SP-50's > and > > > > SP-80's which were replaced later by a single > > > SP-1010. > > > > > > > > The SP-50 was wonderful. Tight and amazing > bottom > > > end > > > > for such a smaller speaker. I used the > > > SP-10/SP-50 > > > > combo for about a year before adding the SP-80 > > > sub. > > > > With the SP-10/-50's I used a home made copy > of > > > the > > > > PC-100 which sounded great. I later bi-amped > with > > > a > > > > Nak EC-200H, but, never liked the results. > > > > > > > > I've also used the SP-65's, but, was never too > > > > impressed with them. > > > > > > > > SJ > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Salim Marzuki > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Make a great connection at Yahoo! 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Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 12 19:23:30 2001 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 10:23:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Problem with Nak RX-505... In-Reply-To: <002e01c15275$f08fed20$4c289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <20011012172330.41423.qmail@web13103.mail.yahoo.com> Start by scraping off all the brown glue on all the boards. SJ --- Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Hi Kannan & Hitesh, > > This is one of the symptoms on my 202 - which used > reel reflection instead > of old naks rotating wheel - but only during the > first few minutes of > playback. On my case I'd suspect either a faulty > part near transport > switches area or a faulty microprocessor. Best > solution is to send it to > Stephen as I've replaced almost every part on logic > board with no result. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kannan. S" > To: > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 11:22 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Problem with Nak RX-505... > > > > Hitesh > > I feel one of the belt connected to sensing > mechanism ( circular wheel > with > > holes - light bulb on one side and a sensor on the > other ) for detecting > > stoppage of reel hubs might be slipping and needs > change. However if you > > machine had not seen any service for last five > years or so, it is > worthwhile > > trying regular servicing. > > Looks like Stephen sank at New mexico ( one of our > Naktalk member) will be > > the ideal person to do the needful as we know that > he has the magic touch > of > > getting the best of any nak decks. > > Kannan > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Hitesh Parekh > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Oct 11 19:49:30 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 00:49:30 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak car speakers References: <20011010182059.99690.qmail@web13102.mail.yahoo.com> <003301c15277$1b1177c0$4c289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <003a01c1527d$14984e40$4c289bca@smarzuki> Hi again Scott, Sorry, I just re-read SP80 brochure and there it says the EC200H is a 18db slope crossover. I can't read the SP50 dimension clearly, is the outer diameter 164 mm (6 1/4 ") or 154 mm ? If so then it's a big chance that SP65 is a coax of SP50 & SP10 ? It seems larger than regular 5 inch driver. Now if SP100's inside is similar to SP65 crossover .... Best regards, Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Oct 11 20:04:33 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 01:04:33 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak car speakers References: <20011012172056.4029.qmail@web13107.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004101c1527f$2f0a1a40$4c289bca@smarzuki> Hi Scott, I just hit 'send' before I checked my email ! I have faith on either 4th order or entirely 1st order, so don't worry about the EC200H schematics. I'll try to build one box speaker using SP80 up to 100hz and the mid without hipass filter, do you know of any (nak or diy) passive low pass for SP80 ? Best bet is active low pass but not quite 'transportable'. Best regards, Salim SM PS: Thanks for the 505 idea, I haven't looked at the "old brown glue" yet. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Johnson" To: Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 12:20 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak car speakers > Salim, > > Somewhere I have the box design info for the SP80's > (from Nakamichi). When I find it I'll shoot it over > to you. The tweeter in the SP-65 is nowhere near as > good as the SP-10. > > At home I have the schematic for the PC-100. I'll > send that to you tonight is no one else beat me to it. > > The EC-200 and EC-200H are 18 dB/octave active > crossovers (line level in and out, not speaker level). > I have the service manual for them. If you want the > schematic I can shoot you a copy, but, it's not > something you would want to build unless you are > really good at breadboarding. > > SJ > > --- Salim Marzuki wrote: ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bigbear69 at netzero.net Sat Oct 13 04:40:59 2001 From: bigbear69 at netzero.net (bigbear69) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 19:40:59 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] WTC - Part I Message-ID: <001701c15390$7f064d40$37c09d40@compaq> A warm thank you to all the Nakers thoughts on the WTC. We have a great group of guys here who share not only their music interest, but also the much needed interest on the incident of the WTC. I have somewhat put together a series of my thoughts on the WTC incident. To start things off, please pay attention to this e-mail and do the Microsoft Word exercise as described. Subject: This is Scary - Maybe Code? If you want to see something positively scary: Go to Microsoft Word. Change the font to Times New Roman size 72. Type in the following (all caps): Q33 NY (This was the flight number of one of the planes that crashed into the WTC towers). Okay, now highlight it, and change the font to "Wingdings"! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From summarex at yahoo.com Sat Oct 13 05:18:07 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 23:18:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] WTC - Part I References: <001701c15390$7f064d40$37c09d40@compaq> Message-ID: <3BC7B26F.4111240C@yahoo.com> You think that's funny? This is serious business buddy. For example, in terms of consequences; I can only wonder how many people will name their children Anthrax after this. Javier _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bigbear69 at netzero.net Sat Oct 13 07:08:11 2001 From: bigbear69 at netzero.net (bigbear69) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 22:08:11 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] WTC - Part I Message-ID: <000301c153a5$0f06d5e0$dd0f9a40@compaq> The subject of 'being funny' never crossed my mind. It is your 'smart act' response to me which brings that subject. I am probably like everyone else - does this mean anything? I don't know. But in the eyes and minds of the evil-doers, these messages may have been known to them. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Javier Perez" To: Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 8:18 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] WTC - Part I > You think that's funny? > This is serious business buddy. > For example, in terms of consequences; > I can only wonder how many people will > name their children Anthrax after > this. ---------------------------------------------------- Sign Up for NetZero Platinum Today Only $9.95 per month! http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From targowski at mediaone.net Sat Oct 13 10:31:53 2001 From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 03:31:53 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] WTC - Part I In-Reply-To: <001701c15390$7f064d40$37c09d40@compaq> Message-ID: The planes involved in September 11, 2001 events were United and American Airlines. The flight numbers for these are in the format of UA 9999, or AA 9999, where UA=United Airlines, and AA=American Airlines, and 9999 is upto 4 digit numeric flight number. Q33 NY, is not a flight number of United Airlines or American Airlines. Q33 was supposedly the tail number, or part of it, of the first plane hitting New York. NY is just an abbreviation of New York, and has nothing to do with any marks on the plane. My opinion, I wouldn't read too much into it. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of bigbear69 Sent: Fri, October 12, 2001 9:41 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] WTC - Part I A warm thank you to all the Nakers thoughts on the WTC. We have a great group of guys here who share not only their music interest, but also the much needed interest on the incident of the WTC. I have somewhat put together a series of my thoughts on the WTC incident. To start things off, please pay attention to this e-mail and do the Microsoft Word exercise as described. Subject: This is Scary - Maybe Code? If you want to see something positively scary: Go to Microsoft Word. Change the font to Times New Roman size 72. Type in the following (all caps): Q33 NY (This was the flight number of one of the planes that crashed into the WTC towers). Okay, now highlight it, and change the font to "Wingdings"! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Oct 13 11:33:26 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 10:33:26 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] WTC - Part I In-Reply-To: <000301c153a5$0f06d5e0$dd0f9a40@compaq> Message-ID: <000401c153ca$1cb7eec0$d5b8193e@a4s1s2> Take it easy, guys. When something as shocking and tragic as this happens people need to find a way of coping with it in their minds. For many, they will try to understand why it happened and use whatever reference points that they are familiar with and they may be religion, political analysis, history, or prophecies or numerology or whatever. Others will use forms of escapism - that may be physical exercise, music, humour (esp. what we Brit's call have long called "black humour" - we're big into it) or religion again, etc.. Personally, I use music, humour and historical perspective help me through all bad times but that's just me. (Unfortunately, my historical perspective gets right up some peoples' noses esp. when I give voice to my reasoning that there has been several worse "terrorist" incidents than WTC - e.g when 135,000 German civilians were deliberately killed, mostly burnt and crushed to death by or in fire-swept buildings, one night in Dresden during 1945.) Each of us will be doing it the best way that there is for us as individuals; try not to get too upset if one person's way is not your own - let them go their way and you go yours. Stay cool, bro's. Stay cool. We can't fight an enemy if we're fighting each other! ;o) Gra' -- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of bigbear69 Sent: 13 October 2001 06:08 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] WTC - Part I The subject of 'being funny' never crossed my mind. It is your 'smart act' response to me which brings that subject. I am probably like everyone else - does this mean anything? I don't know. But in the eyes and minds of the evil-doers, these messages may have been known to them. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Javier Perez" To: Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 8:18 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] WTC - Part I > You think that's funny? > This is serious business buddy. > For example, in terms of consequences; > I can only wonder how many people will > name their children Anthrax after > this. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From raah at concentric.net Sat Oct 13 15:53:40 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 09:53:40 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] WTC - Part I References: <001701c15390$7f064d40$37c09d40@compaq> Message-ID: <3BC84764.2B42EA4@concentric.net> I find this post highly offensive, on several grounds. Thousands of people were murdered in cold blood and some sicko has come up with a contrived way to link an airplane and some writing with death and Israel? As OT as the subject is, I can understand a discussion here, since it affects (probably, more than most people realize) our -- and our children's -- future. There is room for discussing the real meaning of the event, what led to it and where it's going. But this BS is beneath contempt. -- Ron >A warm thank you to all the Nakers thoughts on the WTC. We have a great group of >guys here who share not only their music interest, but also >the much needed interest on the incident of the WTC. I have somewhat put together >a series of my thoughts on the WTC incident. To start things >off, please pay attention to this e-mail and do the Microsoft Word exercise as >described. > >Subject: This is Scary - Maybe Code? > >?If you want to see something positively scary:urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" / > >Go to Microsoft Word. > >Change the font to Times New Roman size 72. > >Type in the following (all caps): Q33 NY > >(This was the flight number of one of the planes that crashed into the WTC >towers). > >Okay, now highlight it, and change the font to "Wingdings"! ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From n.van.wijnen at home.nl Sat Oct 13 16:23:06 2001 From: n.van.wijnen at home.nl (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 16:23:06 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] WTC - Part I References: <001701c15390$7f064d40$37c09d40@compaq> <3BC84764.2B42EA4@concentric.net> Message-ID: <000e01c153f2$938bfaa0$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> Hello Nakkers, Let's beware of miscommunication. I think there is no naktalker on this list who want to hurt another. We found each other in our interest about Naks and no religion , political or other things. Maybe our discussions must go about Hifi . Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] WTC - Part I > > I find this post highly offensive, on several grounds. > Thousands of people were murdered in cold blood and > some sicko has come up with a contrived way to link > an airplane and some writing with death and Israel? > > As OT as the subject is, I can understand a discussion > here, since it affects (probably, more than most people > realize) our -- and our children's -- future. There is > room for discussing the real meaning of the event, what > led to it and where it's going. But this BS is beneath > contempt. > > -- Ron > > > >A warm thank you to all the Nakers thoughts on the WTC. We have a great group of >guys here who share not only their music interest, but also > >the much needed interest on the incident of the WTC. I have somewhat put together >a series of my thoughts on the WTC incident. To start things > >off, please pay attention to this e-mail and do the Microsoft Word exercise as >described. > > > >Subject: This is Scary - Maybe Code? > > > >?If you want to see something positively scary:urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" / > > > >Go to Microsoft Word. > > > >Change the font to Times New Roman size 72. > > > >Type in the following (all caps): Q33 NY > > > >(This was the flight number of one of the planes that crashed into the WTC >towers). > > > >Okay, now highlight it, and change the font to "Wingdings"! > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Oct 12 17:44:16 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 22:44:16 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] WTC - Part I References: <000401c153ca$1cb7eec0$d5b8193e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <001001c15334$c641f260$a51a9bca@smarzuki> 103% agreed, brother Graham ... I still like the Bed Linen department topic better :-) ... but while we're in the subject of what's behind the numbers ... here's another OT humor - my way of 'escapism' after reading things like "Osama will use south east asia as his new extremist base" : > > VERY INTERESTING > > > > We have all been to those meetings where someone > > pleads with us to give more than 100%. Here's the > > formula that will put you on the road to achieving > > 103%! > > > > It only takes a little simple math: Follow the > > recipe and it might prove helpful in the future! > > > > What makes life 100%?? > > > > IF :~ > > > > A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T > > 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 > > U V W X Y Z > > 21 22 23 24 25 26 > > > > Then :~ > > > > H A R D W O R K > > 8 1 18 4 23 15 18 11 = 98% > > > > K N O W L E D G E > > 11 14 15 23 12 5 4 7 5 = 96% > > > > But :~ > > > > A T T I T U D E > > 1 20 20 9 20 21 4 5 = 100 % > > > > However :~ > > > > B U L L S H I T > > 2 21 12 12 19 8 9 20 = 103%!!! > > > > BTW - does anybody know a good diy speaker egroups ? Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 4:33 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] WTC - Part I > Take it easy, guys. When something as shocking and tragic as this happens > people need to find a way of coping with it in their minds. For many, they > will try to understand why it happened and use whatever reference points > that they are familiar with and they may be religion, political analysis, > history, or prophecies or numerology or whatever. Others will use forms > of escapism - that may be physical exercise, music, humour (esp. what we > Brit's call have long called "black humour" - we're big into it) or religion > again, etc.. Personally, I use music, humour and historical perspective > help me through all bad times but that's just me. (Unfortunately, my > historical perspective gets right up some peoples' noses esp. when I give > voice to my reasoning that there has been several worse "terrorist" > incidents than WTC - e.g when 135,000 German civilians were deliberately > killed, mostly burnt and crushed to death by or in fire-swept buildings, one > night in Dresden during 1945.) Each of us will be doing it the best way > that there is for us as individuals; try not to get too upset if one > person's way is not your own - let them go their way and you go yours. > Stay cool, bro's. Stay cool. We can't fight an enemy if we're fighting > each other! ;o) > > Gra' > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Sat Oct 13 19:05:49 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 13:05:49 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] WTC - Part I References: <000301c153a5$0f06d5e0$dd0f9a40@compaq> Message-ID: <3BC8746D.E1F229B6@yahoo.com> Well excuse me I thought you were making a smart assed remark yourself. Had no idea someone on the Nak list would actually give thought to wingding drivel. Perhaps you should translate Nostradumbus to wingdings. There's no telling what you might discover. Don't worry about the evildoers Our leader the Amazing Bush has sent out the super friends to deal with them and to bring the evil one back to face trial in the international hall of justice. Why do I get the feeling I've taken up residence inside a comic book Javier bigbear69 wrote: > > The subject of 'being funny' never crossed my mind. It is your 'smart act' > response to me which brings that subject. I am probably like everyone else - > does this mean anything? I don't know. But in the eyes and minds of the > evil-doers, these messages may have been known to them. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Javier Perez" > To: > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 8:18 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] WTC - Part I > > > You think that's funny? > > This is serious business buddy. > > For example, in terms of consequences; > > I can only wonder how many people will > > name their children Anthrax after > > this. > > ---------------------------------------------------- > Sign Up for NetZero Platinum Today > Only $9.95 per month! > http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From w.smetanig at chello.at Sat Oct 13 22:55:54 2001 From: w.smetanig at chello.at (Wolfgang Smetanig) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 22:55:54 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL problem Message-ID: <004001c15429$76095540$0a00a8c0@Sonja> Hi, have a problem with my 1000ZXL. Everything works fine with one exception: The fluorescent panel doesn´t work correct. I´m not able to adjust to 0dB. The maximum level (with the 400Hz test tone) is -20dB. And this out of the required frequency range (40,44 kHz) on pin 7 of IC 605 of the FL Indicator PCB A. Can anybody help me with this problem. The two OP´s 4560 and 4556 are replaced with identical ones. Thanks for any suggestion Wolfgang -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ARWII at aol.com Sun Oct 14 01:54:35 2001 From: ARWII at aol.com (ARWII at aol.com) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 19:54:35 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Users Manual for NR 200 Message-ID: <77.1c8e059c.28fa2e3b@aol.com> This is for the Dolby B/C noise reduction unit. I just got one and the manual did not accompany it. Would anybody on the listserve know where I might obtain on. I would pay a reasonable fee (or even an unreasonable one) to receive a copy of it. Thanks in advance. Ray Wheellock ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ktrogers at execulink.com Sat Oct 13 23:59:43 2001 From: ktrogers at execulink.com (Kevin Rogers) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 17:59:43 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Users Manual for NR 200 References: <77.1c8e059c.28fa2e3b@aol.com> Message-ID: <001901c15432$5ed686a0$bb05efd1@kevinrog> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 7:54 PM Subject: [naktalk] Users Manual for NR 200 Hi Ray. I can make you a copy. Send me your address. Kevin Rogers > This is for the Dolby B/C noise reduction unit. I just got one and the manual > did not accompany it. Would anybody on the listserve know where I might > obtain on. I would pay a reasonable fee (or even an unreasonable one) to > receive a copy of it. > > Thanks in advance. > > Ray Wheellock > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Oct 13 05:41:47 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 10:41:47 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Users Manual for NR 200 References: <77.1c8e059c.28fa2e3b@aol.com> Message-ID: <001a01c153a2$19815c00$d0299bca@smarzuki> Hi Ray, I believe there's a NR200 pdf file on ftp server: http://support.naks.com/support/ Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2001 6:54 AM Subject: [naktalk] Users Manual for NR 200 > This is for the Dolby B/C noise reduction unit. I just got one and the manual > did not accompany it. Would anybody on the listserve know where I might > obtain on. I would pay a reasonable fee (or even an unreasonable one) to > receive a copy of it. > > Thanks in advance. > > Ray Wheellock ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au Sun Oct 14 08:41:33 2001 From: s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au (Jason Antony) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 16:41:33 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] WTC - Part I In-Reply-To: References: <001701c15390$7f064d40$37c09d40@compaq> Message-ID: <3BC9C03C.7431.969A05@localhost> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Stan Targowski wrote: > Q33 NY, is not a flight number of United Airlines or American Airlines. > > > My opinion, I wouldn't read too much into it. This is true. The Q33NY is a hoax, obviously reverse-engineered by someone with a copy of the Wingdings font. It's human nature to confront incidents of this magnitude with humour [of all sorts]. Do not let them get to you. Cheers Jason -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) - WinPT 0.4.0a Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7yTOBdo4suhfO5Y4RAnxKAKClS5ypTUsUOuVodasTiJIugV3mVQCgr7U3 UyFH9U0e9x0RjLzThxwY30M= =xboD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From n.van.wijnen at home.nl Sun Oct 14 14:13:56 2001 From: n.van.wijnen at home.nl (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 14:13:56 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Users Manual for NR 200 References: <77.1c8e059c.28fa2e3b@aol.com> <001a01c153a2$19815c00$d0299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <001201c154a9$b2abe320$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> Yes, and you can also download a version at my site http://users.castel.nl/~wijnn01/nakamichi/home.htm Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 5:41 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Users Manual for NR 200 > > Hi Ray, > > I believe there's a NR200 pdf file on ftp server: > http://support.naks.com/support/ > > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2001 6:54 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Users Manual for NR 200 > > > > This is for the Dolby B/C noise reduction unit. I just got one and the > manual > > did not accompany it. Would anybody on the listserve know where I might > > obtain on. I would pay a reasonable fee (or even an unreasonable one) to > > receive a copy of it. > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Ray Wheellock > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From n.van.wijnen at home.nl Sun Oct 14 14:15:25 2001 From: n.van.wijnen at home.nl (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 14:15:25 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Correction Users Manual for NR 200 References: <77.1c8e059c.28fa2e3b@aol.com> <001a01c153a2$19815c00$d0299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <001d01c154a9$e7f0aac0$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> Oeps, Sorry, it's only the dutch version on my site Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 5:41 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Users Manual for NR 200 > > Hi Ray, > > I believe there's a NR200 pdf file on ftp server: > http://support.naks.com/support/ > > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2001 6:54 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Users Manual for NR 200 > > > > This is for the Dolby B/C noise reduction unit. I just got one and the > manual > > did not accompany it. Would anybody on the listserve know where I might > > obtain on. I would pay a reasonable fee (or even an unreasonable one) to > > receive a copy of it. > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Ray Wheellock > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ARWII at aol.com Sun Oct 14 15:32:26 2001 From: ARWII at aol.com (ARWII at aol.com) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 09:32:26 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Users Manual for NR 200 Message-ID: <36.1d1d1521.28faedea@aol.com> Dear Salim, Thank you for your suggestion. I will give it a try. Ray Wheelock ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From emgaron at gmx.net Sun Oct 14 20:01:30 2001 From: emgaron at gmx.net (Thomas Ribbrock) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 20:01:30 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] "My First Nak"... Message-ID: <20011014200130.A2235@esme.xs4all.nl> Hi all! First of all hello - just joined the list, as I just got "My First Nak"[tm] ;-) A Cassette Deck 1.5, to be precise. The deck as such seems to be in good state (a bit of cleaning might be in order - the usual) and I've already admired what it can extract from the recordings of my older decks (Akai GXC-325D (197x?) and Uher CG360 (1976)). However, the right channel is always stronger than the left one on playback, no matter which tape I throw at it. It's not much and it seems to be more visible (on the meter) than audible, however, I guess some readjusting mightn't be a bad idea. Therefore I'm wondering where I might be able to get a service manual for that deck. I've already checked "Schaltungsdienst Lange oHG" in Berlin (http://www.schaltungsdienst.de), which is usually an excellent source for that kind of stuff, but they only list the user manual for the 1.5 and the service manuals for the "1" and the "2". Does anybody have any other sources? I'm located in the Netherlands, if that makes any difference. Thanks in advance, Thomas -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thomas Ribbrock http://www.ribbrock.org ICQ#: 15839919 "You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams come true!" ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Oct 13 20:01:58 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 01:01:58 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Users Manual for NR 200 References: <36.1d1d1521.28faedea@aol.com> Message-ID: <000b01c15411$27268e60$72299bca@smarzuki> Hi Ray, The link is http://support.naks.com/support/manuals/owners/international/NR200_OwnersMan ual.pdf User 'naktalk', password 'limited', if it's not changed yet. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2001 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Users Manual for NR 200 > Dear Salim, > > Thank you for your suggestion. I will give it a try. > > > Ray Wheelock ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ken.lee at rmit.edu.au Sun Oct 14 23:58:22 2001 From: ken.lee at rmit.edu.au (Ken Lee) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 08:58:22 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Car Audio Message-ID: Hi Jim, Regarding Nak car audio I have read that the MB-75 was very unreliable. It is/was offered in the BMW 735 and received a lot of warranty replacements, apparently it regularly fried it's microprocessor brain regards ken ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Mon Oct 15 03:22:46 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 18:22:46 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Car Audio References: Message-ID: <3BCA3A66.745839E4@earthlink.net> Hi Ken, I've pretty much decided on the MB-100, for sake of performance, but reliability is even more important. Thanks for the info! Jim Volpatti Ken Lee wrote: > > Hi Jim, > Regarding Nak car audio I have read that the MB-75 was very unreliable. It is/was offered in the BMW 735 and received a lot of warranty replacements, apparently it regularly fried it's microprocessor brain > > regards ken > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Oct 14 04:51:32 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 09:51:32 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] "My First Nak"... References: <20011014200130.A2235@esme.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <000c01c1545b$286be000$d5299bca@smarzuki> Hi Thomas, Just ask via email to info at schaltungsdienst.de , there's an owners manual for Cass Deck 1.5 and a good chance they have the service manual too. If not, I think you can also use Cass Deck 1's service manual for electrical adjustment purposes as the only difference seems to be PB azimuth alignment. For emergency use - see if you have "playback level" trimpots VR17L and VR17R on most upper right corner of the main / larger board. Mark current positions and see if you can get balanced L / R output by decreasing VR17L a bit. If it is way off from current position then you'd better get the deck checked. And leave the other trimpots and head alignment screws alone (before you have the manual), no matter how tempting they are. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Ribbrock" To: Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 1:01 AM Subject: [naktalk] "My First Nak"... > Hi all! > > First of all hello - just joined the list, as I just got "My First > Nak"[tm] ;-) A Cassette Deck 1.5, to be precise. > The deck as such seems to be in good state (a bit of cleaning might be > in order - the usual) and I've already admired what it can extract > from the recordings of my older decks (Akai GXC-325D (197x?) and Uher > CG360 (1976)). However, the right channel is always stronger than the > left one on playback, no matter which tape I throw at it. It's not > much and it seems to be more visible (on the meter) than audible, > however, I guess some readjusting mightn't be a bad idea. > Therefore I'm wondering where I might be able to get a service manual > for that deck. I've already checked "Schaltungsdienst Lange oHG" in > Berlin (http://www.schaltungsdienst.de), which is usually an excellent > source for that kind of stuff, but they only list the user manual for > the 1.5 and the service manuals for the "1" and the "2". > Does anybody have any other sources? I'm located in the Netherlands, > if that makes any difference. > > Thanks in advance, > > Thomas > -- ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Mon Oct 15 09:05:50 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 12:35:50 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] "My First Nak"... Message-ID: <001401c15547$d2c74c00$42d60192@vsnl> Similar problem in my BX300 could not be satisfactorily sorted out till I got my Nak track alignment as well as 400Hz level tape ( nak calibration tapes!). Note that these tapes cost as much as 50 $ to may be 100$ at US each!!!. So best would be to get it checked out by Stephen or any Nak facility using Nak jigs / calibration tapes. Another point to note is that Thomas tells us that he hears sound properly while meters show differently between channels ? I have a feeling that even meter amplifier needs check? or meter level trim pots? However try recording 400Hz tone and check monitor with source and tape positions and see whether the problem is with playback level problem or both playback level as well as meter calibration( that meter shows higher than actual playback output.) This can be done without any of the nak tapes - only signal source like test CD/ and a digital multimeter ( ofcourse service manual would be required to note the location of test points) would be required. My best advice is to note the trim pot positions on paper before doing anything. NAK US and UK sources are other places to look for manuals. Cassette Deck 1 is better with play head azimuth adjustment available while 1.5 doesnot have this facility. Other than that I do not think any other difference exists and CD 1 service manual would do for your work as PCB should be same for all practical purposes Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Salim Marzuki To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Monday, October 15, 2001 8:57 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] "My First Nak"... > >Hi Thomas, > >Just ask via email to info at schaltungsdienst.de , there's an owners manual >for Cass Deck 1.5 and a good chance they have the service manual too. If >not, I think you can also use Cass Deck 1's service manual for electrical >adjustment purposes as the only difference seems to be PB azimuth alignment. > >For emergency use - see if you have "playback level" trimpots VR17L and >VR17R on most upper right corner of the main / larger board. Mark current >positions and see if you can get balanced L / R output by decreasing VR17L a >bit. If it is way off from current position then you'd better get the deck >checked. And leave the other trimpots and head alignment screws alone >(before you have the manual), no matter how tempting they are. > >Best regards, >Salim SM > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Thomas Ribbrock" >To: >Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 1:01 AM >Subject: [naktalk] "My First Nak"... > > >> Hi all! >> >> First of all hello - just joined the list, as I just got "My First >> Nak"[tm] ;-) A Cassette Deck 1.5, to be precise. >> The deck as such seems to be in good state (a bit of cleaning might be >> in order - the usual) and I've already admired what it can extract >> from the recordings of my older decks (Akai GXC-325D (197x?) and Uher >> CG360 (1976)). However, the right channel is always stronger than the >> left one on playback, no matter which tape I throw at it. It's not >> much and it seems to be more visible (on the meter) than audible, >> however, I guess some readjusting mightn't be a bad idea. >> Therefore I'm wondering where I might be able to get a service manual >> for that deck. I've already checked "Schaltungsdienst Lange oHG" in >> Berlin (http://www.schaltungsdienst.de), which is usually an excellent >> source for that kind of stuff, but they only list the user manual for >> the 1.5 and the service manuals for the "1" and the "2". >> Does anybody have any other sources? I'm located in the Netherlands, >> if that makes any difference. >> >> Thanks in advance, >> >> Thomas >> -- > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From moklaba at yahoo.com Mon Oct 15 09:35:39 2001 From: moklaba at yahoo.com (J) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 00:35:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] new inteconnects In-Reply-To: <3BC4DEB2.A5F17B27@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20011015073539.20523.qmail@web11301.mail.yahoo.com> http://www.innersound.net/cables.htm I think I will buy some of these interconnects--$50 pair--is that a lot? haha. Jeff __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From emgaron at gmx.net Tue Oct 16 00:32:55 2001 From: emgaron at gmx.net (Thomas Ribbrock) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 00:32:55 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: "My First Nak"... In-Reply-To: <001401c15547$d2c74c00$42d60192@vsnl> References: <001401c15547$d2c74c00$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: <20011016003255.A3354@esme.xs4all.nl> Thanks folks, that was about what I had hoped for... :-) On Mon, Oct 15, 2001 at 12:35:50PM +0530, Kannan. S wrote: > Similar problem in my BX300 could not be satisfactorily sorted out till I > got my Nak track alignment as well as 400Hz level tape ( nak calibration > tapes!). Note that these tapes cost as much as 50 $ to may be 100$ at US > each!!!. Hm, I have access to non-Nak-specific calibration tapes, as well as my own scope. I've done similar things successfully in the past with the Akai and the Uher decks I have, so I'll definitely have a look myself first. :-) If necessary, I'll consider leaving the job to a specialist. > Another point to note is that Thomas tells us that he hears sound > properly while meters show differently between channels ? I have a > feeling that even meter amplifier needs check? or meter level trim > pots? Problem is, so far I've only tested with older tapes which were recorded on at least four different decks. With all of them I could see the difference on the meter (and if all of those tapes were recorded in an unbalanced way, that would be *some* coincidence...). I've only listened to them via speakers, and my setup is not 100% ideal at the moment (due to the room), so I'll have to have a got at it with a headphone and a bit more time to be certain whether it's only the meter or whether there's more. I'd want the service manual in any case, though - that's usually one of the first things I get if I can... :-) > However try recording 400Hz tone and check monitor with source and tape [...] Thanks, I'll have a go at that. > My best advice is to note the trim pot positions on paper before doing > anything. :-) This piece of advice can't be repeated often enough... > NAK US and UK sources are other places to look for manuals. Cassette Deck 1 > is better with play head azimuth adjustment available while 1.5 doesnot have > this facility. Other than that I do not think any other difference exists > and CD 1 service manual would do for your work as PCB should be same for all > practical purposes I was hoping that would be the case. Thanks again, Thomas -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thomas Ribbrock http://www.ribbrock.org ICQ#: 15839919 "You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams come true!" ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From joelll at genericdomain.net Tue Oct 16 20:32:28 2001 From: joelll at genericdomain.net (Joel Herda) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 14:32:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [naktalk] Looking for a manual or info for Nak 600 Message-ID: Hello... (er, yes, this is my intro post to this list... hi!) I found a Nak 600 set out with someone's trash last night, took it home, cleaned it up (it was pretty filthy), and it seems to work perfectly (I can also send the long-form of the story if there's any interest). Some of the controls are unfamiliar, like a switch "I.M. Suppress", and I'd like to know how to properly adjust the front-panel bias and level controls and such. Is there any good resource for a copy of the manual for this deck? Thanks, joel -- Joel Herda joelll at genericdomain.net joelll at world.std.com When I grow up, I want to be like me ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Oct 15 20:46:00 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 01:46:00 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] noticable difference Message-ID: <000c01c155a9$a8ce2240$87199bca@smarzuki> Hi ... where's everybody ? FYI, just replaced NE5532 with OP275 on MB1s ... much more noticable difference compared to op amp upgrade on Nak deck ! Is it placebo from Ron's email ... or is it real ? Dynamics, details ... just like having a different cd player. Well worth trying. Best regards, Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Tue Oct 16 21:07:30 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 15:07:30 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Looking for a manual or info for Nak 600 References: Message-ID: <009a01c15675$ce34be50$31756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> If you call Nak. in CA and ask nicely they will send you a free copy, honest! Ask for Patty. Or parts at nakamichi.com John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Herda" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 2:32 PM Subject: [naktalk] Looking for a manual or info for Nak 600 > > Hello... > > > (er, yes, this is my intro post to this list... hi!) > > I found a Nak 600 set out with someone's trash last night, took it home, > cleaned it up (it was pretty filthy), and it seems to work perfectly (I > can also send the long-form of the story if there's any interest). > > Some of the controls are unfamiliar, like a switch "I.M. Suppress", and > I'd like to know how to properly adjust the front-panel bias and level > controls and such. > > Is there any good resource for a copy of the manual for this deck? > > > Thanks, > > joel > > > -- > Joel Herda > joelll at genericdomain.net > joelll at world.std.com When I grow up, I want to be like me > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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URL: From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Oct 17 06:39:23 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 00:39:23 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nak FTP... Message-ID: <121.5a91576.28fe657b@aol.com> Hi All, Tonight I was unable to access the ftp server. Would someone please let me know if it is up and running? And, what the new password is? Thank you in advance for your help. I am searching for the 1000ZXL and Tandberg 3014 reviews in .pdf form. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Wed Oct 17 06:58:40 2001 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 14:58:40 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak FTP... Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365AA7@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Sam, The username/password are Username - naktalk password - limited. I have a copy of the Tandberg 3014 review on my pc, would you like a copy? Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: SBarr12393 at aol.com [mailto:SBarr12393 at aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, 17 October 2001 2:39 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nak FTP... Hi All, Tonight I was unable to access the ftp server. Would someone please let me know if it is up and running? And, what the new password is? Thank you in advance for your help. I am searching for the 1000ZXL and Tandberg 3014 reviews in .pdf form. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Oct 17 07:05:39 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 01:05:39 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nak FTP... Message-ID: <9.1cfeb6f1.28fe6ba3@aol.com> In a message dated 10/17/2001 12:03:55 AM Central Daylight Time, Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au writes: << Hi Sam, The username/password are Username - naktalk password - limited. I have a copy of the Tandberg 3014 review on my pc, would you like a copy? Regards Tom Siomopoulos. >> Hi Tom, Yes I would, thank you very much. Also, I am unable to even access the ftp password screen. I receive an error message telling me that I don't have permission to view it. Is this the correct address? ftp://ftp.naks.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Modernizy at netscape.net Wed Oct 17 08:48:30 2001 From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 02:48:30 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak FTP... Message-ID: <1A5F6E61.45008F37.026D48C1@netscape.net> Hi, Sam, No, the adress is not correct. FTP service is unavailable on Naks.com anymore. The correct address up to the recent time was http://www.naks.com/support/support.html But when I tried it now I also got an error message. I have 1000ZXL review on my computer and can try to send it to you, but the file size is almost 9 MB. I'm afraid my mail system rejects such vast attachement. With best regards, Nicholas. __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop at Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Oct 17 08:53:57 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 02:53:57 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nak FTP... Message-ID: <10c.7097884.28fe8505@aol.com> In a message dated 10/17/2001 1:50:50 AM Central Daylight Time, Modernizy at netscape.net writes: << I have 1000ZXL review on my computer and can try to send it to you, but the file size is almost 9 MB. I'm afraid my mail system rejects such vast attachement. With best regards, Nicholas. >> Hi Nicholas, Thank you for the correct address. And, I appreciate your offer to forward the 1000ZXL review but I'm afraid 9 MB is to large for me to. :-( I'll try the FTP again later today. Thank you again for you help! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Oct 17 10:43:59 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 02:43:59 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL problem References: <004001c15429$76095540$0a00a8c0@Sonja> Message-ID: <015501c156e7$de5c2760$203442cf@sank1> I've not seen this problem before, or any problems at all with the ZXL's display circuitry, but I would first suspect bad electrolytic caps around IC301-306 on the detector PCB, or that one of these opamps is at fault. Can't guess further without more details from you. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wolfgang Smetanig" To: Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 2:55 PM Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL problem Hi, have a problem with my 1000ZXL. Everything works fine with one exception: The fluorescent panel doesn�t work correct. I�m not able to adjust to 0dB. The maximum level (with the 400Hz test tone) is -20dB. And this out of the required frequency range (40,44 kHz) on pin 7 of IC 605 of the FL Indicator PCB A. Can anybody help me with this problem. The two OP�s 4560 and 4556 are replaced with identical ones. Thanks for any suggestion Wolfgang ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Oct 16 14:23:16 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 19:23:16 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question Message-ID: <000701c1563d$733a9f20$23299bca@smarzuki> Hi, this is a direct question to Stephen but maybe others also want to try later on. Stephen, having heard the op amp difference, I'm about to put 2 OP275s on MB2 ... only to find out there are 4 opamps close to the DAC's output, marked U805 L&R and U806 L&R. Getting the main board in and out is not as easy as on MB1s, so maybe you can point out which op amp is on direct MB2's signal path, as I don't have the service manual ? Looks like U805 is the one 5532 to be upgraded, is that right ? Another question, on MB1s service manual there is a caution to shortcircuit point "A" on laser pickup assembly whenever we want di disconnect pickup from main pcb, otherwise laser diode may get damaged ... how true is this warning ? Before I got this service manual I already disconnected both MB main pcb from pickup and so far everything's fine. Was I only lucky at that time or should I really solder this point ? Thanks much in advance, Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Oct 16 16:32:54 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 21:32:54 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Nak vs Marantz CDP Message-ID: <002101c1564f$71b6e020$23299bca@smarzuki> Not that off topic really. Has anybody ever compared Nak CD player (MB2 or MB1s :-) to Marantz midclass CD63SE or 67SE ? Marantz's seem to receive a lot of hype on UK mags, I wonder how good they are. After seeing what's inside some of 'modern' cd players, Nak's look more robust and with more thought put into 'sonics'. Thanks, Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Wed Oct 17 18:19:55 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 09:19:55 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak FTP... References: <9.1cfeb6f1.28fe6ba3@aol.com> Message-ID: <3BCDAFA9.DCE974BF@pacbell.net> Hi Tom, Can you include me in your dispersal of the tandberg 3014 review. I am really enjoying my recently acquired, Sanked 3014A. Thank you very much Brian Stocker SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 10/17/2001 12:03:55 AM Central Daylight Time, > Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au writes: > > << Hi Sam, > > The username/password are > > Username - naktalk > password - limited. > > I have a copy of the Tandberg 3014 review on my pc, would you like a copy? > > Regards Tom Siomopoulos. >> > > Hi Tom, > > Yes I would, thank you very much. Also, I am unable to even access the ftp > password screen. I receive an error message telling me that I don't have > permission to view it. Is this the correct address? > > ftp://ftp.naks.com > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Oct 17 18:15:58 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 12:15:58 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nak FTP... Message-ID: <128.628e009.28ff08be@aol.com> In a message dated 10/17/2001 11:13:17 AM Central Daylight Time, britri at pacbell.net writes: << Hi Tom, Can you include me in your dispersal of the tandberg 3014 review. I am really enjoying my recently acquired, Sanked 3014A. Thank you very much Brian Stocker >> Hey Brian, Tell me more about your modified 3014 from Stephen. What did you have done to it? How does it sound? He made my CR-7, already a great deck; really sing. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From joelll at genericdomain.net Wed Oct 17 18:28:54 2001 From: joelll at genericdomain.net (Joel Herda) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 12:28:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak FTP... In-Reply-To: <1A5F6E61.45008F37.026D48C1@netscape.net> Message-ID: Hello... On Wed, 17 Oct 2001, Nick wrote: > > No, the adress is not correct. FTP service is unavailable on Naks.com > anymore. The correct address up to the recent time was > http://www.naks.com/support/support.html > > But when I tried it now I also got an error message. Hello... The above URL doesn't work. But a very similar does work, and I just tested it right now (of course, it might work just for me and not everyone, but considering the website, etc, it should work for any user): http://support.naks.com/support This gives the directory that contains the directories for advertisements, brochures, manuals, and reviews. The login is as quoted in a previous post: user naktalk password limited Enjoy! joel (eep! why is it that the most interesting stuff is in huuuge documents that will take forever to download with my 56k modem...) -- Joel Herda joelll at genericdomain.net joelll at world.std.com When I grow up, I want to be like me ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Wed Oct 17 19:32:40 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 10:32:40 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak FTP... References: <128.628e009.28ff08be@aol.com> Message-ID: <3BCDC0B3.C893DE55@pacbell.net> Hi Sam, Stephen did not carry out any modifications to the 3014a. I acquired it and a mac mcd7000 in absolutely new and little used condition from a family friend for $750 total! Both were brilliantly serviced by Stephen and are my 2 main sources in my classic McIntosh system. I do not recall any naktalk discussion on upgrades to the 3014a, however I am very pleased with its current performance level. Brian Stocker SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 10/17/2001 11:13:17 AM Central Daylight Time, > britri at pacbell.net writes: > > << Hi Tom, > > Can you include me in your dispersal of the tandberg 3014 review. I am > really > enjoying my recently acquired, Sanked 3014A. > > Thank you very much > > Brian Stocker >> > > Hey Brian, > > Tell me more about your modified 3014 from Stephen. What did you have done > to it? How does it sound? He made my CR-7, already a great deck; really > sing. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu Oct 18 10:43:27 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron Hoffman) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 01:43:27 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] noticable difference References: <000c01c155a9$a8ce2240$87199bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3BCE962F.B4D4CF49@concentric.net> Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Hi ... where's everybody ? > > FYI, just replaced NE5532 with OP275 on MB1s ... much more noticable > difference compared to op amp upgrade on Nak deck ! Is it placebo > from Ron's email ... or is it real ? It could easily be very real. I never said -- or thought -- that difference between opamps is not audible. What I said was that putting a *CR-7* into and out of a loop made an extremely small audible difference and based on that, I wasn't sure that it made sense *for me* to upgrade the stock CR-7 by replacing op-amps. The CD player is a different story. The DAC in my Denon CD player is very similar to the DAC in my Denon preamp, yet CDs sound better (again, not by much, but, still, discernible) when played though the pre-amp DAC (meaning, using digital interconnect). This could mean that the output opamp in the player (plus maybe the analog cable, which is about 15 ft. long) may be contributing to some degradation. I simply use digital interconnect, alleviating the need to upgrade the output opamps. -- Ron > Dynamics, details ... just like having a > different cd player. Well worth trying. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Oct 17 20:48:57 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 12:48:57 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question References: <000701c1563d$733a9f20$23299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <01a801c1573c$61a76860$203442cf@sank1> I don't have any MB service manuals on hand, but I am pretty darn sure that both opamp IC's in each channel are actively in the signal path & worth replacing. As for the shorting jumper on the laser, I can say that I have not yet, since the dawn of CD, seen a laser suffer static electricity damage, so I wouldn't worry about it. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 6:23 AM Subject: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > Hi, this is a direct question to Stephen but maybe others also want to try > later on. > > Stephen, having heard the op amp difference, I'm about to put 2 OP275s on > MB2 ... only to find out there are 4 opamps close to the DAC's output, > marked U805 L&R and U806 L&R. Getting the main board in and out is not as > easy as on MB1s, so maybe you can point out which op amp is on direct MB2's > signal path, as I don't have the service manual ? Looks like U805 is the > one 5532 to be upgraded, is that right ? > > Another question, on MB1s service manual there is a caution to shortcircuit > point "A" on laser pickup assembly whenever we want di disconnect pickup > from main pcb, otherwise laser diode may get damaged ... how true is this > warning ? Before I got this service manual I already disconnected both MB > main pcb from pickup and so far everything's fine. Was I only lucky at that > time or should I really solder this point ? > > Thanks much in advance, > Salim SM > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Oct 16 20:59:40 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 01:59:40 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] noticable difference References: <000c01c155a9$a8ce2240$87199bca@smarzuki> <3BCE962F.B4D4CF49@concentric.net> Message-ID: <000401c15674$b6010600$50289bca@smarzuki> Ooops, my english got in the way again ! Thanks Ron, I should've stated it more clearly, what I meant by 'placebo' was, after reading your email that op amp upgrade would be more noticable on cd players ... I experienced exactly that. Interestingly, to my ear, op amp improvement on MB1s was more noticable than another player - which already sounded 'better' in the first place. There's also another tweak from LC Audio in the form of LC clock oscillator which aims to reduce jitter. I didn't quite understand the jitter argument sometime ago on naktalk - and probably won't get it even now - but do you think a tighter ppm on crystal clock plus better regulator on digital filter would produce audible benefits ? http://www.lcaudio.com/intlcl2.htm Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Hoffman" To: Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 3:43 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] noticable difference > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > Hi ... where's everybody ? > > > > FYI, just replaced NE5532 with OP275 on MB1s ... much more noticable > > difference compared to op amp upgrade on Nak deck ! Is it placebo > from Ron's email ... or is it real ? > > It could easily be very real. I never said -- or > thought -- that difference between opamps is not > audible. What I said was that putting a *CR-7* > into and out of a loop made an extremely small > audible difference and based on that, I wasn't > sure that it made sense *for me* to upgrade the > stock CR-7 by replacing op-amps. > > The CD player is a different story. The DAC in > my Denon CD player is very similar to the DAC in > my Denon preamp, yet CDs sound better (again, not > by much, but, still, discernible) when played > though the pre-amp DAC (meaning, using digital > interconnect). This could mean that the output > opamp in the player (plus maybe the analog cable, > which is about 15 ft. long) may be contributing to > some degradation. I simply use digital interconnect, > alleviating the need to upgrade the output opamps. > > -- Ron > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Oct 16 21:06:06 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 02:06:06 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak FTP... References: <9.1cfeb6f1.28fe6ba3@aol.com> <3BCDAFA9.DCE974BF@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <003301c15675$9c170040$50289bca@smarzuki> Joel's right on the ftp site, and there's a tandberg review on: http://support.naks.com/support/reviews/english/ SM ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 11:19 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak FTP... > Hi Tom, > > Can you include me in your dispersal of the tandberg 3014 review. I am really > enjoying my recently acquired, Sanked 3014A. > > Thank you very much > > Brian Stocker > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 10/17/2001 12:03:55 AM Central Daylight Time, > > Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au writes: > > > > << Hi Sam, > > > > The username/password are > > > > Username - naktalk > > password - limited. > > > > I have a copy of the Tandberg 3014 review on my pc, would you like a copy? > > > > Regards Tom Siomopoulos. >> > > > > Hi Tom, > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Wed Oct 17 21:06:05 2001 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 19:06:05 GMT Subject: [naktalk] OT: Nak vs Marantz CDP + vs. Parasound Message-ID: <20011017.150618.27937.4053@wm7.jersey.juno.com> Hey Salim, Oddly, I'm in the market for a cheap used CD player myself right now, to replace an ageing Phillips CD920 piece of junk that won't play CD-Rs. It will be used as a transport. I'd like to get a Parasound CDP-1000 for the simple fact that some were avaialble with an AT&T output jack. I've heard a lot of them were defective, and a some won't read CD-Rs. But I figure if I'm buying used, the seller should be able to give me an indication of what I'm getting (if he's honest). I'm also considering the Marantz 63SE, as well as the current model CD5000. These turn up used a lot. Others I'm looking at are the AMC CD8B, the Rotels, and the NADs. Can anyone suggest something? It MUST have a coax output jack. AT&T would be nice, but I think the Parasound is the only cheap unit with that option. - Joe ---------- "Salim Marzuki" writes: From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Subject: [naktalk] OT: Nak vs Marantz CDP Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 21:32:54 +0700 Not that off topic really. Has anybody ever compared Nak CD player (MB2 or MB1s :-) to Marantz midclass CD63SE or 67SE ? Marantz's seem to receive a lot of hype on UK mags, I wonder how good they are. After seeing what's inside some of 'modern' cd players, Nak's look more robust and with more thought put into 'sonics'. Thanks, Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Wed Oct 17 21:41:24 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 15:41:24 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak FTP... References: <9.1cfeb6f1.28fe6ba3@aol.com> <3BCDAFA9.DCE974BF@pacbell.net> <003301c15675$9c170040$50289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <014101c15743$c047f090$24756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> Talking of Tandbergs, sorry could not resist it........ http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1286527853 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 3:06 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak FTP... > > Joel's right on the ftp site, and there's a tandberg review on: > http://support.naks.com/support/reviews/english/ > > SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 11:19 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak FTP... > > > > Hi Tom, > > > > Can you include me in your dispersal of the tandberg 3014 review. I am > really > > enjoying my recently acquired, Sanked 3014A. > > > > Thank you very much > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 10/17/2001 12:03:55 AM Central Daylight Time, > > > Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au writes: > > > > > > << Hi Sam, > > > > > > The username/password are > > > > > > Username - naktalk > > > password - limited. > > > > > > I have a copy of the Tandberg 3014 review on my pc, would you like a > copy? > > > > > > Regards Tom Siomopoulos. >> > > > > > > Hi Tom, > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Oct 17 22:02:33 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 16:02:33 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nak FTP... Message-ID: <163.27753c8.28ff3dd9@aol.com> Thank you all for your help with accessing the Nak ftp site, I truly appreciate it! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Oct 17 22:03:49 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 16:03:49 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nak FTP... Message-ID: <45.d79852c.28ff3e25@aol.com> In a message dated 10/17/2001 12:25:35 PM Central Daylight Time, britri at pacbell.net writes: << Hi Sam, Stephen did not carry out any modifications to the 3014a. I acquired it and a mac mcd7000 in absolutely new and little used condition from a family friend for $750 total! Both were brilliantly serviced by Stephen and are my 2 main sources in my classic McIntosh system. I do not recall any naktalk discussion on upgrades to the 3014a, however I am very pleased with its current performance level. Brian Stocker >> Hi Brian, First and foremost congratulations! That's a great deal you enjoyed! We can talk offline from Nak talkers but I would like to know more about the Mac MCD 7000. Please fill me in offline, ok? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu Oct 18 15:38:00 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 06:38:00 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] noticable difference References: <000c01c155a9$a8ce2240$87199bca@smarzuki> <3BCE962F.B4D4CF49@concentric.net> <000401c15674$b6010600$50289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3BCEDB38.3A4DEB79@concentric.net> Some authorities claim that the more stable the clock, the better the sound. Some others, that I also trust, say that no improvement is audible beyond a certain point (that most 'good' players have reached). I have never run listening tests on this issue and am not sure, though my common sense tells me that beyond a certain point, any improvement will be swamped by other system issues. I saw that LC site some time ago and was tempted to order that oscillator, just to find out for myself. However, I am not sure my player can be retrofitted, since the oscillator is internal the DSP IC. Also, the LC module is quite expensive. My Cd player listed for $650 when new (I actually paid about $450) and today is worth maybe $150. Doesn't make sense to me to dump another $150 in it. -- Ron Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Ooops, my english got in the way again ! > > Thanks Ron, I should've stated it more clearly, what I meant by 'placebo' > was, after reading your email that op amp upgrade would be more noticable on > cd players ... I experienced exactly that. Interestingly, to my ear, op amp > improvement on MB1s was more noticable than another player - which already > sounded 'better' in the first place. > > There's also another tweak from LC Audio in the form of LC clock oscillator > which aims to reduce jitter. I didn't quite understand the jitter argument > sometime ago on naktalk - and probably won't get it even now - but do you > think a tighter ppm on crystal clock plus better regulator on digital filter > would produce audible benefits ? > > http://www.lcaudio.com/intlcl2.htm > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Hoffman" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 3:43 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] noticable difference > > > > > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > > Hi ... where's everybody ? > > > > > > FYI, just replaced NE5532 with OP275 on MB1s ... much more noticable > > > difference compared to op amp upgrade on Nak deck ! Is it placebo > > from Ron's email ... or is it real ? > > > > It could easily be very real. I never said -- or > > thought -- that difference between opamps is not > > audible. What I said was that putting a *CR-7* > > into and out of a loop made an extremely small > > audible difference and based on that, I wasn't > > sure that it made sense *for me* to upgrade the > > stock CR-7 by replacing op-amps. > > > > The CD player is a different story. The DAC in > > my Denon CD player is very similar to the DAC in > > my Denon preamp, yet CDs sound better (again, not > > by much, but, still, discernible) when played > > though the pre-amp DAC (meaning, using digital > > interconnect). This could mean that the output > > opamp in the player (plus maybe the analog cable, > > which is about 15 ft. long) may be contributing to > > some degradation. I simply use digital interconnect, > > alleviating the need to upgrade the output opamps. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Oct 18 02:59:49 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 18:59:49 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Nak vs Marantz CDP + vs. Parasound References: <20011017.150618.27937.4053@wm7.jersey.juno.com> Message-ID: <01e001c15770$30b1d900$203442cf@sank1> As a guy who has serviced all of the units you mention, I can wholeheartedly say that I recommend NONE of them. Seriously. Except for the older Rotels(e.g., RCD-855/955), all the players you mention are various levels of beneath mediocre in terms of reliability, build quality & (mostly) sound quality. Your old CD920 will yet outlive any of them. Give me a call when you have a chance & I'll be happy to discuss some choices of "best bang for buck" players. Just have to mention that the Parasound CD/P1000 is such a fly-weight piece of junk, that they literally put a steel brick inside of it to make it feel like a heavily built unit. Essentially an $89 Sony lo-fi unit in pretty clothes. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 1:06 PM Subject: Re:[naktalk] OT: Nak vs Marantz CDP + vs. Parasound > Hey Salim, > > Oddly, I'm in the market for a cheap used CD player myself right now, to replace an ageing Phillips CD920 piece of junk that won't play CD-Rs. It will be used as a transport. > > I'd like to get a Parasound CDP-1000 for the simple fact that some were avaialble with an AT&T output jack. I've heard a lot of them were defective, and a some won't read CD-Rs. But I figure if I'm buying used, the seller should be able to give me an indication of what I'm getting (if he's honest). > > I'm also considering the Marantz 63SE, as well as the current model CD5000. These turn up used a lot. Others I'm looking at are the AMC CD8B, the Rotels, and the NADs. > > Can anyone suggest something? It MUST have a coax output jack. AT&T would be nice, but I think the Parasound is the only cheap unit with that option. > > - Joe > > > ---------- "Salim Marzuki" writes: > > From: "Salim Marzuki" > To: > Subject: [naktalk] OT: Nak vs Marantz CDP > Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 21:32:54 +0700 > > > Not that off topic really. Has anybody ever compared Nak CD player (MB2 or > MB1s :-) to Marantz midclass CD63SE or 67SE ? Marantz's seem to receive a > lot of hype on UK mags, I wonder how good they are. After seeing what's > inside some of 'modern' cd players, Nak's look more robust and with more > thought put into 'sonics'. > > Thanks, > Salim SM > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Oct 18 03:02:11 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 19:02:11 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] noticable difference References: <000c01c155a9$a8ce2240$87199bca@smarzuki> <3BCE962F.B4D4CF49@concentric.net> <000401c15674$b6010600$50289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <01e601c15770$855b6e80$203442cf@sank1> I have actually installed an LC Audio clock into a Sony X77ES player. It made a nice difference, but this was a one-bit DAC player. I firmly do NOT believe that it would make any difference in a player with multi-bit DACs, unless the player's clock was appallingly bad. Further, in the one-bit Sony deck, the improvement was not, in my opinion, worth $150 to get. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 12:59 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] noticable difference > > Ooops, my english got in the way again ! > > Thanks Ron, I should've stated it more clearly, what I meant by 'placebo' > was, after reading your email that op amp upgrade would be more noticable on > cd players ... I experienced exactly that. Interestingly, to my ear, op amp > improvement on MB1s was more noticable than another player - which already > sounded 'better' in the first place. > > There's also another tweak from LC Audio in the form of LC clock oscillator > which aims to reduce jitter. I didn't quite understand the jitter argument > sometime ago on naktalk - and probably won't get it even now - but do you > think a tighter ppm on crystal clock plus better regulator on digital filter > would produce audible benefits ? > > http://www.lcaudio.com/intlcl2.htm > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Hoffman" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 3:43 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] noticable difference > > > > > > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > > Hi ... where's everybody ? > > > > > > FYI, just replaced NE5532 with OP275 on MB1s ... much more noticable > > > difference compared to op amp upgrade on Nak deck ! Is it placebo > > from Ron's email ... or is it real ? > > > > It could easily be very real. I never said -- or > > thought -- that difference between opamps is not > > audible. What I said was that putting a *CR-7* > > into and out of a loop made an extremely small > > audible difference and based on that, I wasn't > > sure that it made sense *for me* to upgrade the > > stock CR-7 by replacing op-amps. > > > > The CD player is a different story. The DAC in > > my Denon CD player is very similar to the DAC in > > my Denon preamp, yet CDs sound better (again, not > > by much, but, still, discernible) when played > > though the pre-amp DAC (meaning, using digital > > interconnect). This could mean that the output > > opamp in the player (plus maybe the analog cable, > > which is about 15 ft. long) may be contributing to > > some degradation. I simply use digital interconnect, > > alleviating the need to upgrade the output opamps. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Oct 17 03:03:42 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 08:03:42 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question References: <000701c1563d$733a9f20$23299bca@smarzuki> <01a801c1573c$61a76860$203442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <001001c156a7$a6f3b080$65289bca@smarzuki> Thanks Stephen, I only have 2 opamps at the moment so I replaced 805 first and put the other on socket. Probably the other 5532s are for variable output ? Anyway maybe that explains why the improvement is not as dramatic as on MB1s. Last question, MB1s is getting more sensitive to disc scratches ... is there any adjustment (focus / tracking) that I can try with minimum risk ? Do these trimpots need to be re-adjusted if I replace the pickup myself ? Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 1:48 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > I don't have any MB service manuals on hand, but I am pretty darn sure that > both opamp IC's in each channel are actively in the signal path & worth > replacing. > As for the shorting jumper on the laser, I can say that I have not yet, > since the dawn of CD, seen a laser suffer static electricity damage, so I > wouldn't worry about it. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From epatsellis at mcleodusa.net Thu Oct 18 03:32:25 2001 From: epatsellis at mcleodusa.net (erie patsellis) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 20:32:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Nak vs Marantz CDP + vs. Parasound References: <20011017.150618.27937.4053@wm7.jersey.juno.com> <01e001c15770$30b1d900$203442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <000f01c15774$bf57a6e0$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> I can second the nomination of the 855, I have several players and the combination of my 855 with a PS Audio superlink 2 dac is extremely close to my BAT VK-D5SE... and a whole lot more reliable, as I have only had the rotel serviced once since new, circa '87...the BAT piece has been serviced more than I care to mention. erie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 7:59 PM Subject: Re: Re:[naktalk] OT: Nak vs Marantz CDP + vs. Parasound > As a guy who has serviced all of the units you mention, I can wholeheartedly > say that I recommend NONE of them. Seriously. Except for the older > Rotels(e.g., RCD-855/955), all the players you mention are various levels of > beneath mediocre in terms of reliability, build quality & (mostly) sound > quality. Your old CD920 will yet outlive any of them. Give me a call when > you have a chance & I'll be happy to discuss some choices of "best bang for > buck" players. > Just have to mention that the Parasound CD/P1000 is such a fly-weight piece > of junk, that they literally put a steel brick inside of it to make it feel > like a heavily built unit. Essentially an $89 Sony lo-fi unit in pretty > clothes. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 1:06 PM > Subject: Re:[naktalk] OT: Nak vs Marantz CDP + vs. Parasound > > > > Hey Salim, > > > > Oddly, I'm in the market for a cheap used CD player myself right now, to > replace an ageing Phillips CD920 piece of junk that won't play CD-Rs. It > will be used as a transport. > > > > I'd like to get a Parasound CDP-1000 for the simple fact that some were > avaialble with an AT&T output jack. I've heard a lot of them were > defective, and a some won't read CD-Rs. But I figure if I'm buying used, > the seller should be able to give me an indication of what I'm getting (if > he's honest). > > > > I'm also considering the Marantz 63SE, as well as the current model > CD5000. These turn up used a lot. Others I'm looking at are the AMC CD8B, > the Rotels, and the NADs. > > > > Can anyone suggest something? It MUST have a coax output jack. AT&T > would be nice, but I think the Parasound is the only cheap unit with that > option. > > > > - Joe > > > > > > ---------- "Salim Marzuki" writes: > > > > From: "Salim Marzuki" > > To: > > Subject: [naktalk] OT: Nak vs Marantz CDP > > Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 21:32:54 +0700 > > > > > > Not that off topic really. Has anybody ever compared Nak CD player (MB2 > or > > MB1s :-) to Marantz midclass CD63SE or 67SE ? Marantz's seem to receive > a > > lot of hype on UK mags, I wonder how good they are. After seeing what's > > inside some of 'modern' cd players, Nak's look more robust and with more > > thought put into 'sonics'. > > > > Thanks, > > Salim SM > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > Join Juno today! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Oct 18 03:40:25 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 19:40:25 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question References: <000701c1563d$733a9f20$23299bca@smarzuki> <01a801c1573c$61a76860$203442cf@sank1> <001001c156a7$a6f3b080$65289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <020f01c15775$dccb84c0$203442cf@sank1> Increased scratch sensitivity is most often just dust on the lens. Give it a gentle swiping with a q-tip. The next likely thing is a slight decrease in laser light output. There is an adjustment pot on the laser itself for this, but one should ideally have a laser optical power meter for the adjustment(to 0.15mW output), or minimally an oscilloscope monitoring the laser's signal output, which can at least give a relative idea of how much & which way to turn the trimpot(i.e., to increase the amplitude of the signal by no more than 20 percent). If the unit was properly tweaked in the first place, it is unlikely that any other adjustments need ever be touched, unless a new laser is installed. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > Thanks Stephen, > > I only have 2 opamps at the moment so I replaced 805 first and put the other > on socket. Probably the other 5532s are for variable output ? Anyway maybe > that explains why the improvement is not as dramatic as on MB1s. > > Last question, MB1s is getting more sensitive to disc scratches ... is there > any adjustment (focus / tracking) that I can try with minimum risk ? Do > these trimpots need to be re-adjusted if I replace the pickup myself ? > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 1:48 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > > > I don't have any MB service manuals on hand, but I am pretty darn sure > that > > both opamp IC's in each channel are actively in the signal path & worth > > replacing. > > As for the shorting jumper on the laser, I can say that I have not yet, > > since the dawn of CD, seen a laser suffer static electricity damage, so I > > wouldn't worry about it. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Oct 18 06:57:47 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 11:57:47 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question Message-ID: <20011018045747.CBGO11522.jktsm02@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> Thanks much Stephen ! Considering previous heavy usage, big chance laser output has decreased a bit (lens recently cleaned). Local friendly shop doesn't use optical power meter either so I'll give laser pot a slight twist and be prepared to replace the optics. Can this current be monitored through laser voltage on pcb's test point ? Manual says to check for 50-60mA (?). BTW what optic is on this MB1s ... it says Sanyo K 8033-2651 and manual states SF91NC pickup ? Is it easier to find than MB2's KSS210A ? Also thanks for your recommendation to avoid those modern CDPs, that includes Marantz CD63/67SE doesn't it ? What about marantz's higher end CD17, would that possibly be an 'upgrade' from MB2 ? Best regards, Salim SM > Increased scratch sensitivity is most often just dust on the lens. Give it > a gentle swiping with a q-tip. The next likely thing is a slight decrease > in laser light output. There is an adjustment pot on the laser itself for > this, but one should ideally have a laser optical power meter for the > adjustment(to 0.15mW output), or minimally an oscilloscope monitoring the > laser's signal output, which can at least give a relative idea of how much & > which way to turn the trimpot(i.e., to increase the amplitude of the signal > by no more than 20 percent). If the unit was properly tweaked in the first > place, it is unlikely that any other adjustments need ever be touched, > unless a new laser is installed. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Oct 18 08:06:20 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 00:06:20 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question References: <20011018045747.CBGO11522.jktsm02@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> Message-ID: <026601c1579b$02697e60$203442cf@sank1> SF91C is the Sanyo type number for that laser. It is about as easy to find as the Sony. But it is a far more reliable laser than any of the Sony lasers. I am quite sure it will not need replacing. The laser current test is only valuable in conjunction with a laser optical power meter, to see how much current is drawn for the rated output power, in order to judge the remaining life of the laser. But you can try turning the trimpot to see a 10-20 percent increase in current draw & see if it helps/corrects the problem. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > Thanks much Stephen ! > > Considering previous heavy usage, big chance laser output has decreased a > bit (lens recently cleaned). Local friendly shop doesn't use optical power > meter either so I'll give laser pot a slight twist and be prepared to > replace the optics. Can this current be monitored through laser voltage on > pcb's test point ? Manual says to check for 50-60mA (?). BTW what optic is > on this MB1s ... it says Sanyo K 8033-2651 and manual states SF91NC pickup ? > Is it easier to find than MB2's KSS210A ? > > Also thanks for your recommendation to avoid those modern CDPs, that > includes Marantz CD63/67SE doesn't it ? What about marantz's higher end > CD17, would that possibly be an 'upgrade' from MB2 ? > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > > Increased scratch sensitivity is most often just dust on the lens. Give > it > > a gentle swiping with a q-tip. The next likely thing is a slight > decrease > > in laser light output. There is an adjustment pot on the laser itself > for > > this, but one should ideally have a laser optical power meter for the > > adjustment(to 0.15mW output), or minimally an oscilloscope monitoring > the > > laser's signal output, which can at least give a relative idea of how much > & > > which way to turn the trimpot(i.e., to increase the amplitude of the > signal > > by no more than 20 percent). If the unit was properly tweaked in the > first > > place, it is unlikely that any other adjustments need ever be touched, > > unless a new laser is installed. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Oct 18 08:07:43 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 00:07:43 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question References: <20011018045747.CBGO11522.jktsm02@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> Message-ID: <026a01c1579b$34025500$203442cf@sank1> Oh, and "Marantz's higher end" is an oxymoron, since the top grade transport they use is the horrible "CDM-12Pro", which is just a metal base version of the horrible CDM-12 piece of crap. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > Thanks much Stephen ! > > Considering previous heavy usage, big chance laser output has decreased a > bit (lens recently cleaned). Local friendly shop doesn't use optical power > meter either so I'll give laser pot a slight twist and be prepared to > replace the optics. Can this current be monitored through laser voltage on > pcb's test point ? Manual says to check for 50-60mA (?). BTW what optic is > on this MB1s ... it says Sanyo K 8033-2651 and manual states SF91NC pickup ? > Is it easier to find than MB2's KSS210A ? > > Also thanks for your recommendation to avoid those modern CDPs, that > includes Marantz CD63/67SE doesn't it ? What about marantz's higher end > CD17, would that possibly be an 'upgrade' from MB2 ? > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > > Increased scratch sensitivity is most often just dust on the lens. Give > it > > a gentle swiping with a q-tip. The next likely thing is a slight > decrease > > in laser light output. There is an adjustment pot on the laser itself > for > > this, but one should ideally have a laser optical power meter for the > > adjustment(to 0.15mW output), or minimally an oscilloscope monitoring > the > > laser's signal output, which can at least give a relative idea of how much > & > > which way to turn the trimpot(i.e., to increase the amplitude of the > signal > > by no more than 20 percent). If the unit was properly tweaked in the > first > > place, it is unlikely that any other adjustments need ever be touched, > > unless a new laser is installed. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Thu Oct 18 08:44:00 2001 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 08:44:00 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Nak vs Marantz CDP Message-ID: Hi Salim, Just my thoughts on reasonably contemporary CD players from Nakamichi and Marantz, in 280-500 UK Sterling range: The Nakamichi players are quite a bit more solidly built than their Marantz counterparts, but they sound a bit smooth and lacking in clarity and definition for my liking. Actually, one I heard at a local Hi-Fi Corporation sounded rather close to a mini-disc player. Not my favourite medium. The Marantz units on the other hand, the previous generation to which you refer, were very lively and articulate. The Ken Ishiwata CD63II is everything it was claimed to be, and more. Incredibly well defined sound, huge bass and one of the most dynamic players I have heard. The untweaked 67 seemed similar to the 63 to me, in it's various guises. Ishiwata obviously didn't feel it warranted his separate attention while one could still buy 63IIKISI units, so he turned his attentions to the CD17, where the differences were not as palpable. One still has to bear in mind, that their mechanisms are current Philips units, which Stephen has a dim view of, so longlevity wise, one would have to talk to one of their owners who got the machine in the mid-nineties. These Marantz machines still fall into that sector of the market that is expected to divest themselves of the player after a couple of years. Cheers, Marc >>> smarzuki at indosat.net.id 10/16/01 04:32PM >>> Not that off topic really. Has anybody ever compared Nak CD player (MB2 or MB1s :-) to Marantz midclass CD63SE or 67SE ? Marantz's seem to receive a lot of hype on UK mags, I wonder how good they are. After seeing what's inside some of 'modern' cd players, Nak's look more robust and with more thought put into 'sonics'. Thanks, Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ChefBum at aol.com Thu Oct 18 08:49:54 2001 From: ChefBum at aol.com (ChefBum at aol.com) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 02:49:54 EDT Subject: [naktalk] XLR cables.. Message-ID: <10c.716748f.28ffd592@aol.com> Thanks to all for your comments on XLR cables. And thanks especially to Warren, who gave a very interesting link to an informative RANE article on XLR cables... I've finally hooked up the preamp/power amp via 10-foot XLRs, which as someone commented, works with a male XLR at one end and female XLR plug at the other. I like the nice, robust connection and positive lever clicks holding them in. Actually, this type of cable is just considered a microphone extension cord by pro users, and typically the other end is terminated in a 1/4" phono plug that goes into their instruments. The XLRs are running between an Adcom GFP-750 preamp(Nelson Pass design, Pass himself commented that this amp's performance is optimized for balanced output, that's why I wanted the XLRs), and a Sunfire 300wpc power amp. Can't honestly say I can tell a reliable difference in sound quality, dynamics, hiss, or even noise floor. It certainly does not sound any worse. Bass with both types of interconnects is very well defined and forceful, and biwiring my NHT 2.9s using the current outputs for the upper section and voltage outputs for the bass section results in a more 'polite' softer top-end. Not bad a bad result considering the fact that the NHTs could sound etched and even downright bright with certain source material. All in all, I am surprised by how different power amps can sound from each other, much more so apparently than different cables. Thanks again! Dave In a message dated 10/10/2001 4:15:24 PM Pacific Daylight Time, p9019 at yahoo.com writes: << Your local musical instrument store (Sam Ash, Guitar Center, etc.) should have XLR cables. You can also buy on-line at www.guitarcenter.com and then click "Buy On-line" in the upper right corner. $24.95 for a 15 foot run of Monster Cable brand. The cable you most likely want are male to female, not female, female. Equipment always has female connector/male pins on the outputs and male connector/female pins on the inputs. Therefore the cable is male to female. For short runs unbalanced RCA cables should be just fine. SJ >> ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Has anybody ever compared Nak CD player (MB2 or > MB1s :-) to Marantz midclass CD63SE or 67SE ? Marantz's seem to receive a > lot of hype on UK mags, I wonder how good they are. After seeing what's > inside some of 'modern' cd players, Nak's look more robust and with more > thought put into 'sonics'. > > Thanks, > Salim SM > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Thu Oct 18 09:15:51 2001 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 09:15:51 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Nak vs Marantz CDP Message-ID: Hi Jim, Does that Pioneer feature the Legato Link circuitry? I personally have no problem with it it. Some have found it to be inconsistent from disc to disc, but apparently they have dealt with this issue at Pioneer. Cheers, Marc >>> jvolpatti at earthlink.net 10/18/01 08:54AM >>> I can't speak to the Nak or Marantz CD players since I haven't heard them but I can tell you that the Pioneer Elite PD-65 smoked both the Rega Planet and Rotel's current Class C recommended CD player. The Pioneer excels in the area of natural rendered dynamics and non-harsh yet full extended high end. It's the CD player to beat in the under $1500 price range. Pioneer may have discontinued the model but I know that the PD-65 can be found used for $400. Jim Volpatti Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Not that off topic really. Has anybody ever compared Nak CD player (MB2 or > MB1s :-) to Marantz midclass CD63SE or 67SE ? Marantz's seem to receive a > lot of hype on UK mags, I wonder how good they are. After seeing what's > inside some of 'modern' cd players, Nak's look more robust and with more > thought put into 'sonics'. > > Thanks, > Salim SM > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Modernizy at netscape.net Thu Oct 18 09:35:59 2001 From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 03:35:59 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak FTP... Message-ID: <387BF9A7.4447333C.026D48C1@netscape.net> Hi, Joel, Thank you very much. The address you gave works just fine. I must have been unattentive to the recent changes on Naks.com. With best wishes, Nick. __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop at Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Oct 18 10:59:19 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 02:59:19 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Nak vs Marantz CDP References: <002101c1564f$71b6e020$23299bca@smarzuki> <3BCE7C97.FFD0059B@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <029001c157b3$2d22c360$203442cf@sank1> Jim, You really MUST compare a Pioneer CLD-3080 or CLD-95 to the PD-65. Once warmed up, either CD/LD player will, I am quite sure, please your ear far more than the PD-65. And the CLD-95, particularly, does way better as a transport(once a good coax is installed) than the PD-65, due mostly to a much more massive(and gorgeous) brushless platter motor(this, cosmetics & cast chassis are the only differences between 95 & 3080). The CD/LD players that followed(CLD-97 & onward) have sucked, audio-wise, by comparison(and the 97 was the last to be built well). I just bought myself a second CLD-95 for $425 in mint shape, and 3080's can often be had in great shape for as little as (a disgustingly cheap) $150-200. This doesn't include installing a coax digital out for transport use, of course. My apologies to those of you who are weary of my ravings about these players. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 12:54 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Nak vs Marantz CDP > I can't speak to the Nak or Marantz CD players since I haven't heard > them but I can tell you that the Pioneer Elite PD-65 smoked both the > Rega Planet and Rotel's current Class C recommended CD player. The > Pioneer excels in the area of natural rendered dynamics and non-harsh > yet full extended high end. It's the CD player to beat in the under > $1500 price range. Pioneer may have discontinued the model but I know > that the PD-65 can be found used for $400. > > Jim Volpatti > > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > Not that off topic really. Has anybody ever compared Nak CD player (MB2 or > > MB1s :-) to Marantz midclass CD63SE or 67SE ? Marantz's seem to receive a > > lot of hype on UK mags, I wonder how good they are. After seeing what's > > inside some of 'modern' cd players, Nak's look more robust and with more > > thought put into 'sonics'. > > > > Thanks, > > Salim SM > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Oct 18 12:35:35 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 17:35:35 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question Message-ID: <20011018103534.BIQT290.jktsm01@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> Hi Stephen, Marc, Jim and all, Thanks much for your opinion guys ! Marc, do you remember which Nak model sounded like MD ? I have an old CD4 single disc player that sounds like you described - but upper MB models sound quite good .. and got real good after simple upgrade. Latest 24 bit MB10 is supposedly top rated too, except for lesser assembly quality. What do you think of standard / untweaked marantz models ? 'KI' badged units are almost twice regular 63 price - and I read that mods done on 67 involve replacing most of the original parts anyway (probably this 'tweakability' made it more attractive though). However, with such squeezing of last ounce of performance, I wonder whether that less robust mechanism could get in the way. Pioneer Elite CLD / PD player is very tempting, is its internal dac also good or strictly as a transport only ? Is it a multibit or 1 bit machine .. and what is the consensus on 'bit method' that sounds better ? Best regards, Salim SM > Oh, and "Marantz's higher end" is an oxymoron, since the top grade transport > they use is the horrible "CDM-12Pro", which is just a metal base version of > the horrible CDM-12 piece of crap. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 10:57 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > > > > > Thanks much Stephen ! > > > > Considering previous heavy usage, big chance laser output has decreased a > > bit (lens recently cleaned). Local friendly shop doesn't use optical > power > > meter either so I'll give laser pot a slight twist and be prepared to > > replace the optics. Can this current be monitored through laser voltage > on > > pcb's test point ? Manual says to check for 50-60mA (?). BTW what optic > is > > on this MB1s ... it says Sanyo K 8033-2651 and manual states SF91NC pickup > ? > > Is it easier to find than MB2's KSS210A ? > > > > Also thanks for your recommendation to avoid those modern CDPs, that > > includes Marantz CD63/67SE doesn't it ? What about marantz's higher end > > CD17, would that possibly be an 'upgrade' from MB2 ? > > > > Best regards, > > Salim SM > > > > > > > Increased scratch sensitivity is most often just dust on the lens. Give > > it > > > a gentle swiping with a q-tip. The next likely thing is a slight > > decrease > > > in laser light output. There is an adjustment pot on the laser itself > > for > > > this, but one should ideally have a laser optical power meter for the > > > adjustment(to 0.15mW output), or minimally an oscilloscope monitoring > > the > > > laser's signal output, which can at least give a relative idea of how > much > > & > > > which way to turn the trimpot(i.e., to increase the amplitude of the > > signal > > > by no more than 20 percent). If the unit was properly tweaked in the > > first > > > place, it is unlikely that any other adjustments need ever be touched, > > > unless a new laser is installed. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ==== > === > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ==== > === ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From emte at mail.md Thu Oct 18 15:18:47 2001 From: emte at mail.md (Marin Turea) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 15:18:47 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question+ In-Reply-To: <20011018103534.BIQT290.jktsm01@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> References: <20011018103534.BIQT290.jktsm01@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> Message-ID: <2312078210.20011018151847@mail.md> this question has been growing into my mind too. what are the supposedly different sound characters of different DAC designs? if the question is too dumb, maybe someone has a good URL link for this kind of information. thanks a lot, Marin - (lost in the garden of x-times oversampling and bits). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- sini> and what is the consensus on 'bit method' that sounds better ? sini> Best regards, sini> Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Oct 18 17:11:41 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 09:11:41 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question References: <20011018103534.BIQT290.jktsm01@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> Message-ID: <02e001c157e7$32184dc0$203442cf@sank1> The Pioneer CLD-3080/95 use 20-bit Analog Devices DAC chips w/8x NPC digital filter. The really surprising thing is that these are extremely well implemented, in terms of power supply & output circuits. Well beyond what I'd have ever expected to see in a stock Pioneer piece. So, yes, my comments were primarily aimed at saying that they are superb stand-alone CD players & secondarily that they make superb transports, with the coax out installation. Unfortunately, I do not know what the non-USA model number equivalents of these two players are. The PD-65 is, I am 95 percent sure, a one-bit "Pulseflow" DAC user, which is Pioneer's version of Bitstream. One bit DACs of all types are WAY more sensitive to jitter than multi-bit DACs. So, especially in later Philips CDM-12-based units, which have high jitter, the crappy mech is absolutely a BIG limiting factor on performance. But, even in the very low jitter mech of the CLD-97, which is a dressed up CLD-3080 with Bitstream 1-bit DAC's, the sound is markedly inferior to the 3080's 20-bit DACs. The only way that 1-bit DACs can compete with multi-bit is when a very low jitter transport AND an ultra-low jitter clocking circuit(as in the Meitner/Museatex BiDAT) are used. As for the 24-bit DACs in current use, I have so far not seen/heard any 24-bit DAC chip that sounds as good as the best of 16/18/20-bit DACs of ten or more years ago. As I have said before, also in reference to Dolby chips, as technology evolves, so does cost-cutting in manufacture, so higher tech very often ends up with inferior sound. Last time I looked, the best 24-bit DAC from Burr-Brown carried a high-volume selling price of about $6 each! Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 4:35 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > Hi Stephen, Marc, Jim and all, > > Thanks much for your opinion guys ! Marc, do you remember which Nak model > sounded like MD ? I have an old CD4 single disc player that sounds like you > described - but upper MB models sound quite good .. and got real good after > simple upgrade. Latest 24 bit MB10 is supposedly top rated too, except for > lesser assembly quality. > > What do you think of standard / untweaked marantz models ? 'KI' badged > units are almost twice regular 63 price - and I read that mods done on 67 > involve replacing most of the original parts anyway (probably this > 'tweakability' made it more attractive though). However, with such > squeezing of last ounce of performance, I wonder whether that less robust > mechanism could get in the way. > > Pioneer Elite CLD / PD player is very tempting, is its internal dac also > good or strictly as a transport only ? Is it a multibit or 1 bit machine .. > and what is the consensus on 'bit method' that sounds better ? > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > > Oh, and "Marantz's higher end" is an oxymoron, since the top grade > transport > > they use is the horrible "CDM-12Pro", which is just a metal base version > of > > the horrible CDM-12 piece of crap. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 10:57 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > > > > > > > > > Thanks much Stephen ! > > > > > > Considering previous heavy usage, big chance laser output has decreased > a > > > bit (lens recently cleaned). Local friendly shop doesn't use optical > > power > > > meter either so I'll give laser pot a slight twist and be prepared to > > > replace the optics. Can this current be monitored through laser > voltage > > on > > > pcb's test point ? Manual says to check for 50-60mA (?). BTW what > optic > > is > > > on this MB1s ... it says Sanyo K 8033-2651 and manual states SF91NC > pickup > > ? > > > Is it easier to find than MB2's KSS210A ? > > > > > > Also thanks for your recommendation to avoid those modern CDPs, that > > > includes Marantz CD63/67SE doesn't it ? What about marantz's higher > end > > > CD17, would that possibly be an 'upgrade' from MB2 ? > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > > Increased scratch sensitivity is most often just dust on the lens. > Give > > > it > > > > a gentle swiping with a q-tip. The next likely thing is a slight > > > decrease > > > > in laser light output. There is an adjustment pot on the laser > itself > > > for > > > > this, but one should ideally have a laser optical power meter for > the > > > > adjustment(to 0.15mW output), or minimally an oscilloscope > monitoring > > > the > > > > laser's signal output, which can at least give a relative idea of > how > > much > > > & > > > > which way to turn the trimpot(i.e., to increase the amplitude of the > > > signal > > > > by no more than 20 percent). If the unit was properly tweaked in > the > > > first > > > > place, it is unlikely that any other adjustments need ever be > touched, > > > > unless a new laser is installed. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ==== > > === > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ==== > > === > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Oct 17 18:28:42 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 23:28:42 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question References: <20011018103534.BIQT290.jktsm01@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> <02e001c157e7$32184dc0$203442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <002a01c15728$f2a82a20$79289bca@smarzuki> Stephen, Thanks much for the detailed description of these Pioneers. They probably have non-US designation as I've never seen one 95/3080 over here, only CLD1720 and other 2xxx / 3xxx. I'll check with that friendly shop which Pioneers use brushless / robust motor. If that's also a combo laser disc player then I may have some luck in finding one, lots of used CLD in the market and oddly some with high asking price - almost twice the gold faceplate Denon LA3xxx. Best regards, Salim Sm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > The Pioneer CLD-3080/95 use 20-bit Analog Devices DAC chips w/8x NPC digital > filter. The really surprising thing is that these are extremely well > implemented, in terms of power supply & output circuits. Well beyond what > I'd have ever expected to see in a stock Pioneer piece. So, yes, my > comments were primarily aimed at saying that they are superb stand-alone CD > players & secondarily that they make superb transports, with the coax out > installation. > Unfortunately, I do not know what the non-USA model number equivalents of > these two players are. > The PD-65 is, I am 95 percent sure, a one-bit "Pulseflow" DAC user, which is > Pioneer's version of Bitstream. One bit DACs of all types are WAY more > sensitive to jitter than multi-bit DACs. So, especially in later Philips > CDM-12-based units, which have high jitter, the crappy mech is absolutely a > BIG limiting factor on performance. But, even in the very low jitter mech > of the CLD-97, which is a dressed up CLD-3080 with Bitstream 1-bit DAC's, > the sound is markedly inferior to the 3080's 20-bit DACs. The only way that > 1-bit DACs can compete with multi-bit is when a very low jitter transport > AND an ultra-low jitter clocking circuit(as in the Meitner/Museatex BiDAT) > are used. > As for the 24-bit DACs in current use, I have so far not seen/heard any > 24-bit DAC chip that sounds as good as the best of 16/18/20-bit DACs of ten > or more years ago. As I have said before, also in reference to Dolby chips, > as technology evolves, so does cost-cutting in manufacture, so higher tech > very often ends up with inferior sound. Last time I looked, the best 24-bit > DAC from Burr-Brown carried a high-volume selling price of about $6 each! > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Oct 18 18:52:42 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 10:52:42 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question References: <20011018103534.BIQT290.jktsm01@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> <02e001c157e7$32184dc0$203442cf@sank1> <002a01c15728$f2a82a20$79289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <031601c157f5$4e955ca0$203442cf@sank1> It should help your search to know that the 3080 & 95 were produced from 1989-90(maybe as late as 92 or 93 on the CLD-95). This will show what a CLD-95 looks like: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1284018863 Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > Stephen, > > Thanks much for the detailed description of these Pioneers. They probably > have non-US designation as I've never seen one 95/3080 over here, only > CLD1720 and other 2xxx / 3xxx. I'll check with that friendly shop which > Pioneers use brushless / robust motor. If that's also a combo laser disc > player then I may have some luck in finding one, lots of used CLD in the > market and oddly some with high asking price - almost twice the gold > faceplate Denon LA3xxx. > > Best regards, > Salim Sm > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 10:11 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > > > The Pioneer CLD-3080/95 use 20-bit Analog Devices DAC chips w/8x NPC > digital > > filter. The really surprising thing is that these are extremely well > > implemented, in terms of power supply & output circuits. Well beyond what > > I'd have ever expected to see in a stock Pioneer piece. So, yes, my > > comments were primarily aimed at saying that they are superb stand-alone > CD > > players & secondarily that they make superb transports, with the coax out > > installation. > > Unfortunately, I do not know what the non-USA model number equivalents of > > these two players are. > > The PD-65 is, I am 95 percent sure, a one-bit "Pulseflow" DAC user, which > is > > Pioneer's version of Bitstream. One bit DACs of all types are WAY more > > sensitive to jitter than multi-bit DACs. So, especially in later Philips > > CDM-12-based units, which have high jitter, the crappy mech is absolutely > a > > BIG limiting factor on performance. But, even in the very low jitter mech > > of the CLD-97, which is a dressed up CLD-3080 with Bitstream 1-bit DAC's, > > the sound is markedly inferior to the 3080's 20-bit DACs. The only way > that > > 1-bit DACs can compete with multi-bit is when a very low jitter transport > > AND an ultra-low jitter clocking circuit(as in the Meitner/Museatex BiDAT) > > are used. > > As for the 24-bit DACs in current use, I have so far not seen/heard any > > 24-bit DAC chip that sounds as good as the best of 16/18/20-bit DACs of > ten > > or more years ago. As I have said before, also in reference to Dolby > chips, > > as technology evolves, so does cost-cutting in manufacture, so higher tech > > very often ends up with inferior sound. Last time I looked, the best > 24-bit > > DAC from Burr-Brown carried a high-volume selling price of about $6 each! > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From joelll at genericdomain.net Thu Oct 18 18:54:48 2001 From: joelll at genericdomain.net (Joel Herda) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 12:54:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak FTP... In-Reply-To: <387BF9A7.4447333C.026D48C1@netscape.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Oct 2001, Nick wrote: > Thank you very much. The address you gave works just fine. I must have > been unattentive to the recent changes on Naks.com. Hi... Actually, I don't know anything specific about the site except from accessing it over the past three days; on Monday night I found a really filthy 600 tape deck set out with someone's trash [running perfectly for three days now after lots of cleaning with no tools other than a philips screwdriver, canned air, lots of Novus plastic polish (highly recommended!; also good for the finish on the metal faceplate), and rubbing alcohol]. Before that, I hadn't seen the site for months. I've always wanted a Nak deck, but haven't had the money to invest in one, so I'm really happy that I found one for free. The trick was just to poke around the directories in the URL until I found a combination that worked. As for the Classic Naks site itself, it looks like it hasn't been maintained in a number of months -- the newest entries in the guestbook and message board are a few months old. joelll -- Joel Herda joelll at genericdomain.net joelll at world.std.com When I grow up, I want to be like me ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Oct 17 19:38:27 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 00:38:27 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question References: <20011018103534.BIQT290.jktsm01@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> <02e001c157e7$32184dc0$203442cf@sank1> <002a01c15728$f2a82a20$79289bca@smarzuki> <031601c157f5$4e955ca0$203442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <003101c15732$880513e0$79289bca@smarzuki> Definitely never seen that one around here, not even the 3080 (found a pic on UK site). Didn't realize there are sooo many CLDs ever produced. Other nakfellows may want to take a glimpse of this pioneer monster (36 kg !): http://www.laserdiscarchive.co.uk/laserdisc_archive/pioneer/pioneer_hld-xo/p ioneer_hld-xo.htm and nothing much but pics - http://www.laserdiscarchive.co.uk/ The one I saw with high asking price was the double tray type deck with plastic frontplate ... well, the hunt will take a long time. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > It should help your search to know that the 3080 & 95 were produced from > 1989-90(maybe as late as 92 or 93 on the CLD-95). > This will show what a CLD-95 looks like: > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1284018863 > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu Oct 18 20:13:53 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 11:13:53 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question References: <20011018103534.BIQT290.jktsm01@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> Message-ID: <3BCF1BE1.9211B4D6@earthlink.net> Hi Salim, the Pioneer PD-65 is an all-in-one CD player with a 1 bit DAC, coax and optical digital outputs. The DAC is 1 bit and uses a Legato Link digital filter. According to Pioneer, the filter is less steep and lets in a little of the 22 Khz sampling noise. In return, phase accuracy is improved. Sonically, I can tell you that the player does indeed have fully extended highs which happen to be very smooth and listenable for a digital device. I haven't heard the CLD-95 but lived quite happily with the PD-65 for over eight years. I've also compared it to several players in the $1000 price range (Rotel, Rega, California Audio Labs, etc) and also preferred the Pioneer by a wide margin. Jim Volpatti > Pioneer Elite CLD / PD player is very tempting, is its internal dac also > good or strictly as a transport only ? Is it a multibit or 1 bit machine .. > and what is the consensus on 'bit method' that sounds better ? > > Best regards, > Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From m.raven at chello.nl Fri Oct 19 20:55:11 2001 From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 20:55:11 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 120 volt to 240 volt conversions. References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D013659D2@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <001701c158cf$94d8df40$9e3cbbd4@chello.nl> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" To: Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 2:16 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] 120 volt to 240 volt conversions. > Hi Graham, > > Thanks for replying. Would there be any performance downgrade due to the frequency difference, America = 50Hz vs Australia = 60Hz? Naks specks doesn't differ according to the mainssupply freq/voltage. Btw. US has 60 cycles. > I simply bought transformers. Won most of them on e-Bay, too. That's all .... Maurits ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Oct 18 21:22:08 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 02:22:08 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] talk about disappearing speakers ... Message-ID: <003601c1580a$2e857520$67289bca@smarzuki> don't click this unless you have so much spare time: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1284790900 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Oct 20 00:00:42 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 16:00:42 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] talk about disappearing speakers ... References: <003601c1580a$2e857520$67289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <047801c158e9$7fd0d020$203442cf@sank1> How the hell do you lose a speaker of that size in your house?! Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 1:22 PM Subject: [naktalk] talk about disappearing speakers ... > don't click this unless you have so much spare time: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1284790900 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Sat Oct 20 00:48:31 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 15:48:31 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] talk about disappearing speakers ... References: <003601c1580a$2e857520$67289bca@smarzuki> <047801c158e9$7fd0d020$203442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3BD0ADC2.74A47C66@pacbell.net> You need to have a very big house and a very bad memory. Is there something important about this UGLY speaker that Nakers should know about? Brian Stocker Stephen Sank wrote: > How the hell do you lose a speaker of that size in your house?! > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salim Marzuki" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 1:22 PM > Subject: [naktalk] talk about disappearing speakers ... > > > don't click this unless you have so much spare time: > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1284790900 > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From n.van.wijnen at home.nl Sat Oct 20 01:11:57 2001 From: n.van.wijnen at home.nl (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 01:11:57 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question References: <20011018045747.CBGO11522.jktsm02@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> <026a01c1579b$34025500$203442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <007801c158f3$730ccb00$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> Hello Stephan, Can you tell me something about the quality of Harman/Kardon cd players? Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 8:07 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > Oh, and "Marantz's higher end" is an oxymoron, since the top grade transport > they use is the horrible "CDM-12Pro", which is just a metal base version of > the horrible CDM-12 piece of crap. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 10:57 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > > > > > Thanks much Stephen ! > > > > Considering previous heavy usage, big chance laser output has decreased a > > bit (lens recently cleaned). Local friendly shop doesn't use optical > power > > meter either so I'll give laser pot a slight twist and be prepared to > > replace the optics. Can this current be monitored through laser voltage > on > > pcb's test point ? Manual says to check for 50-60mA (?). BTW what optic > is > > on this MB1s ... it says Sanyo K 8033-2651 and manual states SF91NC pickup > ? > > Is it easier to find than MB2's KSS210A ? > > > > Also thanks for your recommendation to avoid those modern CDPs, that > > includes Marantz CD63/67SE doesn't it ? What about marantz's higher end > > CD17, would that possibly be an 'upgrade' from MB2 ? > > > > Best regards, > > Salim SM > > > > > > > Increased scratch sensitivity is most often just dust on the lens. Give > > it > > > a gentle swiping with a q-tip. The next likely thing is a slight > > decrease > > > in laser light output. There is an adjustment pot on the laser itself > > for > > > this, but one should ideally have a laser optical power meter for the > > > adjustment(to 0.15mW output), or minimally an oscilloscope monitoring > > the > > > laser's signal output, which can at least give a relative idea of how > much > > & > > > which way to turn the trimpot(i.e., to increase the amplitude of the > > signal > > > by no more than 20 percent). If the unit was properly tweaked in the > > first > > > place, it is unlikely that any other adjustments need ever be touched, > > > unless a new laser is installed. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Oct 20 01:23:32 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 17:23:32 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question References: <20011018045747.CBGO11522.jktsm02@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> <026a01c1579b$34025500$203442cf@sank1> <007801c158f3$730ccb00$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> Message-ID: <04b401c158f5$1230bba0$203442cf@sank1> I've never seen a Harman/Kardon CD player I could recommend. All I have seen from them ranged from just OK to sub-standard & many of the newer models tend to develop fatally flakey problems. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman van Wijnen" To: Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 5:11 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > Hello Stephan, > > Can you tell me something about the quality of Harman/Kardon cd players? > > Norman > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 8:07 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > > > Oh, and "Marantz's higher end" is an oxymoron, since the top grade > transport > > they use is the horrible "CDM-12Pro", which is just a metal base version > of > > the horrible CDM-12 piece of crap. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 10:57 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > > > > > > > > > Thanks much Stephen ! > > > > > > Considering previous heavy usage, big chance laser output has decreased > a > > > bit (lens recently cleaned). Local friendly shop doesn't use optical > > power > > > meter either so I'll give laser pot a slight twist and be prepared to > > > replace the optics. Can this current be monitored through laser voltage > > on > > > pcb's test point ? Manual says to check for 50-60mA (?). BTW what > optic > > is > > > on this MB1s ... it says Sanyo K 8033-2651 and manual states SF91NC > pickup > > ? > > > Is it easier to find than MB2's KSS210A ? > > > > > > Also thanks for your recommendation to avoid those modern CDPs, that > > > includes Marantz CD63/67SE doesn't it ? What about marantz's higher end > > > CD17, would that possibly be an 'upgrade' from MB2 ? > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > > Increased scratch sensitivity is most often just dust on the lens. > Give > > > it > > > > a gentle swiping with a q-tip. The next likely thing is a slight > > > decrease > > > > in laser light output. There is an adjustment pot on the laser itself > > > for > > > > this, but one should ideally have a laser optical power meter for the > > > > adjustment(to 0.15mW output), or minimally an oscilloscope monitoring > > > the > > > > laser's signal output, which can at least give a relative idea of how > > much > > > & > > > > which way to turn the trimpot(i.e., to increase the amplitude of the > > > signal > > > > by no more than 20 percent). If the unit was properly tweaked in the > > > first > > > > place, it is unlikely that any other adjustments need ever be touched, > > > > unless a new laser is installed. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Oct 19 06:47:56 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 11:47:56 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question References: <20011018045747.CBGO11522.jktsm02@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> <026a01c1579b$34025500$203442cf@sank1> <007801c158f3$730ccb00$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> <04b401c158f5$1230bba0$203442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <000301c15859$38fca6a0$43299bca@smarzuki> Stephen, so now it looks like we are having hard time getting decent new player at medium price. Probably below $600-700 our best bet would be to find quality used player or dvd player ... or maybe you still have any favorite among midclass modern CDPs ? What's your opinion on Arcam's Ring DAC ... is it truly best of both worlds ? One review of FMJ says "... here was Multibit's emotion with Bitstream's focus. ..." which probably reflects the consensus view of each method. Review also calls this £1100 player a "budget" super-fi - but even the Arcam 9 is > $1000. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 6:23 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > I've never seen a Harman/Kardon CD player I could recommend. All I have > seen from them ranged from just OK to sub-standard & many of the newer > models tend to develop fatally flakey problems. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Oct 20 08:29:50 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 00:29:50 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question References: <20011018045747.CBGO11522.jktsm02@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> <026a01c1579b$34025500$203442cf@sank1> <007801c158f3$730ccb00$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> <04b401c158f5$1230bba0$203442cf@sank1> <000301c15859$38fca6a0$43299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <058901c15930$9fc9f680$203442cf@sank1> There is no DVD player as of yet that I would recommend. There may be a few that sound good, but I don't know of any that have proven any kind of good reliability. And there are lots of them that have proven very poor reliability. This is one reason I would have big reservations about the Arcam FMJ, which I just did a search & read a bit about. I also read the info on dCs's website about the "ring DAC". Lots of babble & no actual technical details, so I have no idea what to think about it, not having any direct or even anecdotal experience with it. Honestly, I can't think of a currently produced CD player or transport, or DVD unit, that I would recommend over the "oldies" I've talked about. Pretty sad, isn't it? Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 10:47 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > Stephen, so now it looks like we are having hard time getting decent new > player at medium price. Probably below $600-700 our best bet would be to > find quality used player or dvd player ... or maybe you still have any > favorite among midclass modern CDPs ? > > What's your opinion on Arcam's Ring DAC ... is it truly best of both worlds > ? One review of FMJ says "... here was Multibit's emotion with Bitstream's > focus. ..." which probably reflects the consensus view of each method. > Review also calls this �1100 player a "budget" super-fi - but even the Arcam > 9 is > $1000. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 6:23 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > > > I've never seen a Harman/Kardon CD player I could recommend. All I have > > seen from them ranged from just OK to sub-standard & many of the newer > > models tend to develop fatally flakey problems. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Oct 19 13:02:40 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 18:02:40 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question References: <20011018045747.CBGO11522.jktsm02@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> <026a01c1579b$34025500$203442cf@sank1> <007801c158f3$730ccb00$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> <04b401c158f5$1230bba0$203442cf@sank1> <000301c15859$38fca6a0$43299bca@smarzuki> <058901c15930$9fc9f680$203442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <000601c1588d$a6e764a0$50289bca@smarzuki> Pretty sad for me and others with average budget, as now it's only either mass market crap or multibuck players. Finally CDP - and most midclass home stereo - has gone the cassette deck way, where we need to look for the 'oldies' .. well, 94-95 doesn't sound that old anyway. :-) Speaking of which, my MB1s laser current as measured on pcb TP has already dropped to 41.0 mA as opposed to recommended 50-60 mA ... so it is getting old. However I think after optics replacement, I will end up with a better player than average current models. It will take some time to find exact replacement, as most Sanyo SF91 over here has only connectors on the optics unit - instead of attached cables as on the original. In the meantime I turned the optics trimpot to get 46.5 mA and now it plays scratched discs better. Again ... thanks much for your help ! Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > There is no DVD player as of yet that I would recommend. There may be a few > that sound good, but I don't know of any that have proven any kind of good > reliability. And there are lots of them that have proven very poor > reliability. This is one reason I would have big reservations about the > Arcam FMJ, which I just did a search & read a bit about. I also read the > info on dCs's website about the "ring DAC". Lots of babble & no actual > technical details, so I have no idea what to think about it, not having any > direct or even anecdotal experience with it. > Honestly, I can't think of a currently produced CD player or transport, or > DVD unit, that I would recommend over the "oldies" I've talked about. > Pretty sad, isn't it? > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Oct 19 13:21:33 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 18:21:33 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] FYI - good looking SR4 for $38 still 1.5 day left Message-ID: <001001c15890$360f6cc0$50289bca@smarzuki> More of that interesting descriptions on ebay. What a landlord ... he got so many goodies as security deposit ! http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1285476017 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Oct 19 13:29:06 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 18:29:06 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: nice pics of yamaha ct7000 Message-ID: <001801c15891$440d2960$50289bca@smarzuki> What a beautiful tuner ! (large pictures, takes time) http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1285104010 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Sat Oct 20 17:24:36 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 11:24:36 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: nice pics of yamaha ct7000 References: <001801c15891$440d2960$50289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <006c01c1597b$544c71b0$0c756acf@johnrotten> I remember years ago when Angus McKenzie raved about this Tuner in Hi-Fi News. My choice would be the silver faceplate. I'm amazed how often these expensive units come up on ebay. I just sold a mint ReVox, Sanktified, B 760 for $650 so people really do desire top flight Tuners, I would not part with my other B 760. But I do wonder how many years are left for FM radio. Digital will probably be here before we know it! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 7:29 AM Subject: [naktalk] OT: nice pics of yamaha ct7000 > > What a beautiful tuner ! (large pictures, takes time) > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1285104010 > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Oct 19 18:27:25 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 23:27:25 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: nice pics of yamaha ct7000 References: <001801c15891$440d2960$50289bca@smarzuki> <006c01c1597b$544c71b0$0c756acf@johnrotten> Message-ID: <000e01c158ba$f265be40$7c289bca@smarzuki> Hmm ... I thought we've bypassed the d.a.b. and go straight to 'oldies' analog tuner ! :-) Actually worldspace is one neat idea if only we can get better sound quality - but I also wonder how long the company will be around. Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Tooley" To: Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 10:24 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: nice pics of yamaha ct7000 I remember years ago when Angus McKenzie raved about this Tuner in Hi-Fi News. My choice would be the silver faceplate. I'm amazed how often these expensive units come up on ebay. I just sold a mint ReVox, Sanktified, B 760 for $650 so people really do desire top flight Tuners, I would not part with my other B 760. But I do wonder how many years are left for FM radio. Digital will probably be here before we know it! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Sat Oct 20 18:37:50 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 12:37:50 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: nice pics of yamaha ct7000 References: <001801c15891$440d2960$50289bca@smarzuki> <006c01c1597b$544c71b0$0c756acf@johnrotten> Message-ID: <00c001c15985$8f9da400$7a2bfea9@brianm> I purchased my first tuner since the 80's last year, a Fanfare FT-1A. I haven't used my system this much ever, I wish I would of purchased a good tuner a long time ago! FM could be great if they would quit compressing the signal!!!!!!!!! I do wonder if I bought in at the decline of FM. I am enjoying it regardless. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: John M. Tooley To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: nice pics of yamaha ct7000 I remember years ago when Angus McKenzie raved about this Tuner in Hi-Fi News. My choice would be the silver faceplate. I'm amazed how often these expensive units come up on ebay. I just sold a mint ReVox, Sanktified, B 760 for $650 so people really do desire top flight Tuners, I would not part with my other B 760. But I do wonder how many years are left for FM radio. Digital will probably be here before we know it! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 7:29 AM Subject: [naktalk] OT: nice pics of yamaha ct7000 > > What a beautiful tuner ! 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URL: From britri at pacbell.net Sat Oct 20 19:59:29 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 10:59:29 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question References: <20011018045747.CBGO11522.jktsm02@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> <026a01c1579b$34025500$203442cf@sank1> <007801c158f3$730ccb00$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> <04b401c158f5$1230bba0$203442cf@sank1> <000301c15859$38fca6a0$43299bca@smarzuki> <058901c15930$9fc9f680$203442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3BD1BB81.36B3133C@pacbell.net> Stephen and Nakers, given the opinions recently shared about the oldies being better than the newbies regarding CD players (interesting how often oldies are better in so many categories than newbies) what is generally entailed (please don't spend alot of time typing the specifics of the addition, just the general cost and in labor and materials) in adding a digital out to very good 1 bit players. Your thoughts on my mcd7000 seem positive. Would this be a unit that could be retrofitted for digital out, even though, I suspect, it might devalue a great, classic mac component. When you refer to transport of disc players, does that also include the optics? Thanks all. p.s. here are some great speakers if you live close enough to pick 'em up http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1286025939 Brian Stocker > There is no DVD player as of yet that I would recommend. There may be a few > that sound good, but I don't know of any that have proven any kind of good > reliability. And there are lots of them that have proven very poor > reliability. This is one reason I would have big reservations about the > Arcam FMJ, which I just did a search & read a bit about. I also read the > info on dCs's website about the "ring DAC". Lots of babble & no actual > technical details, so I have no idea what to think about it, not having any > direct or even anecdotal experience with it. > Honestly, I can't think of a currently produced CD player or transport, or > DVD unit, that I would recommend over the "oldies" I've talked about. > Pretty sad, isn't it? > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salim Marzuki" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 10:47 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > > > > Stephen, so now it looks like we are having hard time getting decent new > > player at medium price. Probably below $600-700 our best bet would be to > > find quality used player or dvd player ... or maybe you still have any > > favorite among midclass modern CDPs ? > > > > What's your opinion on Arcam's Ring DAC ... is it truly best of both > worlds > > ? One review of FMJ says "... here was Multibit's emotion with > Bitstream's > > focus. ..." which probably reflects the consensus view of each method. > > Review also calls this £1100 player a "budget" super-fi - but even the > Arcam > > 9 is > $1000. > > > > Best regards, > > Salim SM > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 6:23 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > > > > > > I've never seen a Harman/Kardon CD player I could recommend. All I have > > > seen from them ranged from just OK to sub-standard & many of the newer > > > models tend to develop fatally flakey problems. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tom.Dedrick at Home.com Sat Oct 20 20:20:25 2001 From: Tom.Dedrick at Home.com (Tom Dedrick) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 13:20:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1423 In-Reply-To: <200110201659.SAA01579@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: I too purchased a Fanfare FT-1A FM tuner, but about 2 1/2 years ago when the model first came out. Have to agree it has made a huge difference for me, even though I have a grand total of 1, yes one, decent FM station to listen to, which is our local PBS station and their fund drive is on now. With all this talk about poor quality CD players, who has had experience with separate transports and D/A converters? Do different transports actually make the differences the audio press would lead us to believe? I have never done this as I can't bring myself to purchase an outboard D/A converter in this ever changing digital world, but I must say I have been tempted to as my cable box has a digital out and my Rega planet 1 box CD player does too. And I have seen several sound cards for the PC's with digital outs. I definitely see a trend this way. TomD -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com] Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 12:00 To: naktalk-digest at naks.com Subject: naktalk-digest V2 #1423 naktalk-digest Saturday, October 20 2001 Volume 02 : Number 1423 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 11:47:56 +0700 From: "Salim Marzuki" Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question Stephen, so now it looks like we are having hard time getting decent new player at medium price. Probably below $600-700 our best bet would be to find quality used player or dvd player ... or maybe you still have any favorite among midclass modern CDPs ? What's your opinion on Arcam's Ring DAC ... is it truly best of both worlds ? One review of FMJ says "... here was Multibit's emotion with Bitstream's focus. ..." which probably reflects the consensus view of each method. Review also calls this £1100 player a "budget" super-fi - but even the Arcam 9 is > $1000. Best regards, Salim SM - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 6:23 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > I've never seen a Harman/Kardon CD player I could recommend. All I have > seen from them ranged from just OK to sub-standard & many of the newer > models tend to develop fatally flakey problems. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 00:29:50 -0600 From: "Stephen Sank" Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question There is no DVD player as of yet that I would recommend. There may be a few that sound good, but I don't know of any that have proven any kind of good reliability. And there are lots of them that have proven very poor reliability. This is one reason I would have big reservations about the Arcam FMJ, which I just did a search & read a bit about. I also read the info on dCs's website about the "ring DAC". Lots of babble & no actual technical details, so I have no idea what to think about it, not having any direct or even anecdotal experience with it. Honestly, I can't think of a currently produced CD player or transport, or DVD unit, that I would recommend over the "oldies" I've talked about. Pretty sad, isn't it? Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 10:47 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > Stephen, so now it looks like we are having hard time getting decent new > player at medium price. Probably below $600-700 our best bet would be to > find quality used player or dvd player ... or maybe you still have any > favorite among midclass modern CDPs ? > > What's your opinion on Arcam's Ring DAC ... is it truly best of both worlds > ? One review of FMJ says "... here was Multibit's emotion with Bitstream's > focus. ..." which probably reflects the consensus view of each method. > Review also calls this £1100 player a "budget" super-fi - but even the Arcam > 9 is > $1000. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 6:23 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > > > I've never seen a Harman/Kardon CD player I could recommend. All I have > > seen from them ranged from just OK to sub-standard & many of the newer > > models tend to develop fatally flakey problems. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 18:02:40 +0700 From: "Salim Marzuki" Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question Pretty sad for me and others with average budget, as now it's only either mass market crap or multibuck players. Finally CDP - and most midclass home stereo - has gone the cassette deck way, where we need to look for the 'oldies' .. well, 94-95 doesn't sound that old anyway. :-) Speaking of which, my MB1s laser current as measured on pcb TP has already dropped to 41.0 mA as opposed to recommended 50-60 mA ... so it is getting old. However I think after optics replacement, I will end up with a better player than average current models. It will take some time to find exact replacement, as most Sanyo SF91 over here has only connectors on the optics unit - instead of attached cables as on the original. In the meantime I turned the optics trimpot to get 46.5 mA and now it plays scratched discs better. Again ... thanks much for your help ! Best regards, Salim SM - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > There is no DVD player as of yet that I would recommend. There may be a few > that sound good, but I don't know of any that have proven any kind of good > reliability. And there are lots of them that have proven very poor > reliability. This is one reason I would have big reservations about the > Arcam FMJ, which I just did a search & read a bit about. I also read the > info on dCs's website about the "ring DAC". Lots of babble & no actual > technical details, so I have no idea what to think about it, not having any > direct or even anecdotal experience with it. > Honestly, I can't think of a currently produced CD player or transport, or > DVD unit, that I would recommend over the "oldies" I've talked about. > Pretty sad, isn't it? > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 18:21:33 +0700 From: "Salim Marzuki" Subject: [naktalk] FYI - good looking SR4 for $38 still 1.5 day left More of that interesting descriptions on ebay. What a landlord ... he got so many goodies as security deposit ! http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1285476017 ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 18:29:06 +0700 From: "Salim Marzuki" Subject: [naktalk] OT: nice pics of yamaha ct7000 What a beautiful tuner ! (large pictures, takes time) http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1285104010 ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 11:24:36 -0400 From: "John M. Tooley" Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: nice pics of yamaha ct7000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01C15959.CCB12F50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I remember years ago when Angus McKenzie raved about this Tuner in Hi-Fi = News. My choice would be the silver faceplate. I'm amazed how often = these expensive units come up on ebay. I just sold a mint ReVox, = Sanktified, B 760 for $650 so people really do desire top flight Tuners, = I would not part with my other B 760. But I do wonder how many years are = left for FM radio. Digital will probably be here before we know it! John - ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 7:29 AM Subject: [naktalk] OT: nice pics of yamaha ct7000 >=20 > What a beautiful tuner ! (large pictures, takes time) >=20 > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D1285104010 >=20 >=20 > = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D-------------------------------------------------= - -----------------=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck = resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK = http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D-------------------------------------------------= - -----------------=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >=20 - ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01C15959.CCB12F50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I remember years ago when Angus McKenzie raved about this Tuner in = Hi-Fi=20 News. My choice would be the silver faceplate. I'm amazed how often = these=20 expensive units come up on ebay. I just sold a mint ReVox, Sanktified, B = 760 for=20 $650 so people really do desire top flight Tuners, I would not part with = my=20 other B 760. But I do wonder how many years are left for FM radio. = Digital will=20 probably be here before we know it!
 
John
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>
> What a beautiful tuner !  (large pictures, = takes=20 time)
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> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D128= 5104010
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>=20 - ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01C15959.CCB12F50-- ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 23:27:25 +0700 From: "Salim Marzuki" Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: nice pics of yamaha ct7000 Hmm ... I thought we've bypassed the d.a.b. and go straight to 'oldies' analog tuner ! :-) Actually worldspace is one neat idea if only we can get better sound quality - but I also wonder how long the company will be around. Salim SM - ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Tooley" To: Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 10:24 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: nice pics of yamaha ct7000 I remember years ago when Angus McKenzie raved about this Tuner in Hi-Fi News. My choice would be the silver faceplate. I'm amazed how often these expensive units come up on ebay. I just sold a mint ReVox, Sanktified, B 760 for $650 so people really do desire top flight Tuners, I would not part with my other B 760. But I do wonder how many years are left for FM radio. Digital will probably be here before we know it! John - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 12:37:50 -0400 From: "Brian Miller" Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: nice pics of yamaha ct7000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_00BD_01C15964.0811CAF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I purchased my first tuner since the 80's last year, a Fanfare FT-1A. I = haven't used my system this much ever, I wish I would of purchased a = good tuner a long time ago! FM could be great if they would quit compressing the signal!!!!!!!!! I do wonder if I bought in at the decline of FM. I am enjoying it = regardless. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message -----=20 From: John M. Tooley=20 To: naktalk at naks.com=20 Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: nice pics of yamaha ct7000 I remember years ago when Angus McKenzie raved about this Tuner in = Hi-Fi News. My choice would be the silver faceplate. I'm amazed how = often these expensive units come up on ebay. I just sold a mint ReVox, = Sanktified, B 760 for $650 so people really do desire top flight Tuners, = I would not part with my other B 760. But I do wonder how many years are = left for FM radio. Digital will probably be here before we know it! John ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 7:29 AM Subject: [naktalk] OT: nice pics of yamaha ct7000 >=20 > What a beautiful tuner ! (large pictures, takes time) >=20 > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D1285104010 >=20 >=20 > = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D-------------------------------------------------= - -----------------=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette = Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK = http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D-------------------------------------------------= - -----------------=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >=20 - ------=_NextPart_000_00BD_01C15964.0811CAF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I purchased my first tuner since the = 80's last=20 year, a Fanfare FT-1A.  I haven't used my system this much ever, I = wish I=20 would of purchased a good tuner a long time ago!
 
FM could be great if they would quit = compressing=20 the signal!!!!!!!!!
 
I do wonder if I bought in at the = decline of=20 FM.  I am enjoying it regardless.
 
Brian Miller
Michigan
http://brian.grar.com
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I remember years ago when Angus McKenzie raved about this Tuner = in Hi-Fi=20 News. My choice would be the silver faceplate. I'm amazed how often = these=20 expensive units come up on ebay. I just sold a mint ReVox, Sanktified, = B 760=20 for $650 so people really do desire top flight Tuners, I would not = part with=20 my other B 760. But I do wonder how many years are left for FM radio. = Digital=20 will probably be here before we know it!
 
John
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> What a beautiful tuner !  (large pictures, = takes=20 time)
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> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D128= 5104010
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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Sat Oct 20 20:38:52 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 14:38:52 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1423 References: Message-ID: <00f401c15996$77c2b4e0$7a2bfea9@brianm> Tom, Years back I used a Denon CD player and then later added a separate Theta Pro Prime DAC and it clearly improved it. Through the years I made upgrades, as follows: I changed the Denon DCD1520 to a Phillipis CDV400 laser disc player (It had a good transport in it for $400, I used it with the Theta DAC), upgraded from the Phillips to a Theta Data Basic transport, then a Pro Prime II DAC and now I have a Meridian 508.24 CD player, one box unit) I have no doubts that you can improve a low buck CD player with a separate DAC, if it allows for one. There are some awesome deals on used CD players these days. I am not sure of the new formats, there are many people happy with CD. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Dedrick" To: Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 2:20 PM Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1423 > I too purchased a Fanfare FT-1A FM tuner, but about 2 1/2 years ago when the > model first came out. Have to agree it has made a huge difference for me, > even though I have a grand total of 1, yes one, decent FM station to listen > to, which is our local PBS station and their fund drive is on now. > > With all this talk about poor quality CD players, who has had experience > with separate transports and D/A converters? Do different transports > actually make the differences the audio press would lead us to believe? I > have never done this as I can't bring myself to purchase an outboard D/A > converter in this ever changing digital world, but I must say I have been > tempted to as my cable box has a digital out and my Rega planet 1 box CD > player does too. And I have seen several sound cards for the PC's with > digital outs. I definitely see a trend this way. > > TomD > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com] > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 12:00 > To: naktalk-digest at naks.com > Subject: naktalk-digest V2 #1423 > > > naktalk-digest Saturday, October 20 2001 Volume 02 : Number 1423 > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 11:47:56 +0700 > From: "Salim Marzuki" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > Stephen, so now it looks like we are having hard time getting decent new > player at medium price. Probably below $600-700 our best bet would be to > find quality used player or dvd player ... or maybe you still have any > favorite among midclass modern CDPs ? > > What's your opinion on Arcam's Ring DAC ... is it truly best of both worlds > ? One review of FMJ says "... here was Multibit's emotion with Bitstream's > focus. ..." which probably reflects the consensus view of each method. > Review also calls this £1100 player a "budget" super-fi - but even the Arcam > 9 is > $1000. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > - ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 6:23 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > > > I've never seen a Harman/Kardon CD player I could recommend. All I have > > seen from them ranged from just OK to sub-standard & many of the newer > > models tend to develop fatally flakey problems. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 00:29:50 -0600 > From: "Stephen Sank" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > There is no DVD player as of yet that I would recommend. There may be a few > that sound good, but I don't know of any that have proven any kind of good > reliability. And there are lots of them that have proven very poor > reliability. This is one reason I would have big reservations about the > Arcam FMJ, which I just did a search & read a bit about. I also read the > info on dCs's website about the "ring DAC". Lots of babble & no actual > technical details, so I have no idea what to think about it, not having any > direct or even anecdotal experience with it. > Honestly, I can't think of a currently produced CD player or transport, or > DVD unit, that I would recommend over the "oldies" I've talked about. > Pretty sad, isn't it? > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > - ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salim Marzuki" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 10:47 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > > > > > Stephen, so now it looks like we are having hard time getting decent new > > player at medium price. Probably below $600-700 our best bet would be to > > find quality used player or dvd player ... or maybe you still have any > > favorite among midclass modern CDPs ? > > > > What's your opinion on Arcam's Ring DAC ... is it truly best of both > worlds > > ? One review of FMJ says "... here was Multibit's emotion with > Bitstream's > > focus. ..." which probably reflects the consensus view of each method. > > Review also calls this £1100 player a "budget" super-fi - but even the > Arcam > > 9 is > $1000. > > > > Best regards, > > Salim SM > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 6:23 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > > > > > > I've never seen a Harman/Kardon CD player I could recommend. All I have > > > seen from them ranged from just OK to sub-standard & many of the newer > > > models tend to develop fatally flakey problems. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 18:02:40 +0700 > From: "Salim Marzuki" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > Pretty sad for me and others with average budget, as now it's only either > mass market crap or multibuck players. Finally CDP - and most midclass home > stereo - has gone the cassette deck way, where we need to look for the > 'oldies' .. well, 94-95 doesn't sound that old anyway. :-) > > Speaking of which, my MB1s laser current as measured on pcb TP has already > dropped to 41.0 mA as opposed to recommended 50-60 mA ... so it is getting > old. However I think after optics replacement, I will end up with a better > player than average current models. > > It will take some time to find exact replacement, as most Sanyo SF91 over > here has only connectors on the optics unit - instead of attached cables as > on the original. In the meantime I turned the optics trimpot to get 46.5 mA > and now it plays scratched discs better. Again ... thanks much for your > help ! > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > - ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 1:29 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > > > There is no DVD player as of yet that I would recommend. There may be a > few > > that sound good, but I don't know of any that have proven any kind of good > > reliability. And there are lots of them that have proven very poor > > reliability. This is one reason I would have big reservations about the > > Arcam FMJ, which I just did a search & read a bit about. I also read the > > info on dCs's website about the "ring DAC". Lots of babble & no actual > > technical details, so I have no idea what to think about it, not having > any > > direct or even anecdotal experience with it. > > Honestly, I can't think of a currently produced CD player or transport, or > > DVD unit, that I would recommend over the "oldies" I've talked about. > > Pretty sad, isn't it? > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 18:21:33 +0700 > From: "Salim Marzuki" > Subject: [naktalk] FYI - good looking SR4 for $38 still 1.5 day left > > More of that interesting descriptions on ebay. What a landlord ... he got > so many goodies as security deposit ! > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1285476017 > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 18:29:06 +0700 > From: "Salim Marzuki" > Subject: [naktalk] OT: nice pics of yamaha ct7000 > > What a beautiful tuner ! (large pictures, takes time) > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1285104010 > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 11:24:36 -0400 > From: "John M. Tooley" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: nice pics of yamaha ct7000 > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > - ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01C15959.CCB12F50 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > I remember years ago when Angus McKenzie raved about this Tuner in Hi-Fi = > News. My choice would be the silver faceplate. I'm amazed how often = > these expensive units come up on ebay. I just sold a mint ReVox, = > Sanktified, B 760 for $650 so people really do desire top flight Tuners, = > I would not part with my other B 760. But I do wonder how many years are = > left for FM radio. Digital will probably be here before we know it! > > John > - ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "Salim Marzuki" > To: > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 7:29 AM > Subject: [naktalk] OT: nice pics of yamaha ct7000 > > > >=20 > > What a beautiful tuner ! (large pictures, takes time) > >=20 > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D1285104010 > >=20 > >=20 > > = > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D-------------------------------------------------= > - -----------------=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck = > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK = > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > = > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D-------------------------------------------------= > - -----------------=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > >=20 > > - ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01C15959.CCB12F50 > Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > charset=3Diso-8859-1"> > > > > >
I remember years ago when Angus McKenzie raved about this Tuner in = > Hi-Fi=20 > News. My choice would be the silver faceplate. I'm amazed how often = > these=20 > expensive units come up on ebay. I just sold a mint ReVox, Sanktified, B = > 760 for=20 > $650 so people really do desire top flight Tuners, I would not part with = > my=20 > other B 760. But I do wonder how many years are left for FM radio. = > Digital will=20 > probably be here before we know it!
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I purchased my first tuner since the = > 80's last=20 > year, a Fanfare FT-1A.  I haven't used my system this much ever, I = > wish I=20 > would of purchased a good tuner a long time ago!
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I remember years ago when Angus McKenzie raved about this Tuner = > in Hi-Fi=20 > News. My choice would be the silver faceplate. I'm amazed how often = > these=20 > expensive units come up on ebay. I just sold a mint ReVox, Sanktified, = > B 760=20 > for $650 so people really do desire top flight Tuners, I would not = > part with=20 > my other B 760. But I do wonder how many years are left for FM radio. = > Digital=20 > will probably be here before we know it!
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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom.Dedrick at Home.com Sat Oct 20 21:01:04 2001 From: Tom.Dedrick at Home.com (Tom Dedrick) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 14:01:04 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1425 In-Reply-To: <200110201901.VAA02271@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: Brian, Interesting that you went from a 1 box to separates and back to a 1 box. With the incremental changes you made could you actually attribute differences when changing the transports? I would think the LD transport would have been superior to a CD only transport, but this is only based on the reading about the Pioneer unit, which I believe the Theta transport was based on? Or was the Theta basic a CD only transport? I read about jitter, timing errors, and etc. but my logic still sez bits it bits and as long as they are retrieved off the disk and sent to the D/A section properly I can't see how a transport would affect sound quality. But maybe the differences are in the timing/jitter/clocking and cabling issues? Always found it interesting that Meridians 800 series uses what looks like a PC CD ROM drive and I know Stephen has recommended the Musetex transport as being a reliable one. TomD -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com] Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 14:01 To: naktalk-digest at naks.com Subject: naktalk-digest V2 #1425 naktalk-digest Saturday, October 20 2001 Volume 02 : Number 1425 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 14:38:52 -0400 From: "Brian Miller" Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1423 Tom, Years back I used a Denon CD player and then later added a separate Theta Pro Prime DAC and it clearly improved it. Through the years I made upgrades, as follows: I changed the Denon DCD1520 to a Phillipis CDV400 laser disc player (It had a good transport in it for $400, I used it with the Theta DAC), upgraded from the Phillips to a Theta Data Basic transport, then a Pro Prime II DAC and now I have a Meridian 508.24 CD player, one box unit) I have no doubts that you can improve a low buck CD player with a separate DAC, if it allows for one. There are some awesome deals on used CD players these days. I am not sure of the new formats, there are many people happy with CD. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Dedrick" To: Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 2:20 PM Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1423 > I too purchased a Fanfare FT-1A FM tuner, but about 2 1/2 years ago when the > model first came out. Have to agree it has made a huge difference for me, > even though I have a grand total of 1, yes one, decent FM station to listen > to, which is our local PBS station and their fund drive is on now. > > With all this talk about poor quality CD players, who has had experience > with separate transports and D/A converters? Do different transports > actually make the differences the audio press would lead us to believe? I > have never done this as I can't bring myself to purchase an outboard D/A > converter in this ever changing digital world, but I must say I have been > tempted to as my cable box has a digital out and my Rega planet 1 box CD > player does too. And I have seen several sound cards for the PC's with > digital outs. I definitely see a trend this way. > > TomD > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com] > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 12:00 > To: naktalk-digest at naks.com > Subject: naktalk-digest V2 #1423 > > > naktalk-digest Saturday, October 20 2001 Volume 02 : Number 1423 > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 11:47:56 +0700 > From: "Salim Marzuki" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > Stephen, so now it looks like we are having hard time getting decent new > player at medium price. Probably below $600-700 our best bet would be to > find quality used player or dvd player ... or maybe you still have any > favorite among midclass modern CDPs ? > > What's your opinion on Arcam's Ring DAC ... is it truly best of both worlds > ? One review of FMJ says "... here was Multibit's emotion with Bitstream's > focus. ..." which probably reflects the consensus view of each method. > Review also calls this £1100 player a "budget" super-fi - but even the Arcam > 9 is > $1000. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > - ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 6:23 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > > > I've never seen a Harman/Kardon CD player I could recommend. All I have > > seen from them ranged from just OK to sub-standard & many of the newer > > models tend to develop fatally flakey problems. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 00:29:50 -0600 > From: "Stephen Sank" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > There is no DVD player as of yet that I would recommend. There may be a few > that sound good, but I don't know of any that have proven any kind of good > reliability. And there are lots of them that have proven very poor > reliability. This is one reason I would have big reservations about the > Arcam FMJ, which I just did a search & read a bit about. I also read the > info on dCs's website about the "ring DAC". Lots of babble & no actual > technical details, so I have no idea what to think about it, not having any > direct or even anecdotal experience with it. > Honestly, I can't think of a currently produced CD player or transport, or > DVD unit, that I would recommend over the "oldies" I've talked about. > Pretty sad, isn't it? > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > - ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salim Marzuki" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 10:47 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > > > > > Stephen, so now it looks like we are having hard time getting decent new > > player at medium price. Probably below $600-700 our best bet would be to > > find quality used player or dvd player ... or maybe you still have any > > favorite among midclass modern CDPs ? > > > > What's your opinion on Arcam's Ring DAC ... is it truly best of both > worlds > > ? One review of FMJ says "... here was Multibit's emotion with > Bitstream's > > focus. ..." which probably reflects the consensus view of each method. > > Review also calls this £1100 player a "budget" super-fi - but even the > Arcam > > 9 is > $1000. > > > > Best regards, > > Salim SM > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 6:23 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > > > > > > I've never seen a Harman/Kardon CD player I could recommend. All I have > > > seen from them ranged from just OK to sub-standard & many of the newer > > > models tend to develop fatally flakey problems. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 18:02:40 +0700 > From: "Salim Marzuki" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > Pretty sad for me and others with average budget, as now it's only either > mass market crap or multibuck players. Finally CDP - and most midclass home > stereo - has gone the cassette deck way, where we need to look for the > 'oldies' .. well, 94-95 doesn't sound that old anyway. :-) > > Speaking of which, my MB1s laser current as measured on pcb TP has already > dropped to 41.0 mA as opposed to recommended 50-60 mA ... so it is getting > old. However I think after optics replacement, I will end up with a better > player than average current models. > > It will take some time to find exact replacement, as most Sanyo SF91 over > here has only connectors on the optics unit - instead of attached cables as > on the original. In the meantime I turned the optics trimpot to get 46.5 mA > and now it plays scratched discs better. Again ... thanks much for your > help ! > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > - ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 1:29 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > > > There is no DVD player as of yet that I would recommend. There may be a > few > > that sound good, but I don't know of any that have proven any kind of good > > reliability. And there are lots of them that have proven very poor > > reliability. This is one reason I would have big reservations about the > > Arcam FMJ, which I just did a search & read a bit about. I also read the > > info on dCs's website about the "ring DAC". Lots of babble & no actual > > technical details, so I have no idea what to think about it, not having > any > > direct or even anecdotal experience with it. > > Honestly, I can't think of a currently produced CD player or transport, or > > DVD unit, that I would recommend over the "oldies" I've talked about. > > Pretty sad, isn't it? > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 18:21:33 +0700 > From: "Salim Marzuki" > Subject: [naktalk] FYI - good looking SR4 for $38 still 1.5 day left > > More of that interesting descriptions on ebay. What a landlord ... he got > so many goodies as security deposit ! > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1285476017 > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 18:29:06 +0700 > From: "Salim Marzuki" > Subject: [naktalk] OT: nice pics of yamaha ct7000 > > What a beautiful tuner ! (large pictures, takes time) > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1285104010 > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 11:24:36 -0400 > From: "John M. Tooley" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: nice pics of yamaha ct7000 > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > - ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01C15959.CCB12F50 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > I remember years ago when Angus McKenzie raved about this Tuner in Hi-Fi = > News. My choice would be the silver faceplate. I'm amazed how often = > these expensive units come up on ebay. I just sold a mint ReVox, = > Sanktified, B 760 for $650 so people really do desire top flight Tuners, = > I would not part with my other B 760. But I do wonder how many years are = > left for FM radio. Digital will probably be here before we know it! > > John > - ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "Salim Marzuki" > To: > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 7:29 AM > Subject: [naktalk] OT: nice pics of yamaha ct7000 > > > >=20 > > What a beautiful tuner ! (large pictures, takes time) > >=20 > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D1285104010 > >=20 > >=20 > > = > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D-------------------------------------------------= > - -----------------=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck = > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK = > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > = > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D-------------------------------------------------= > - -----------------=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > >=20 > > - ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01C15959.CCB12F50 > Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > charset=3Diso-8859-1"> > > > > >
I remember years ago when Angus McKenzie raved about this Tuner in = > Hi-Fi=20 > News. My choice would be the silver faceplate. I'm amazed how often = > these=20 > expensive units come up on ebay. I just sold a mint ReVox, Sanktified, B = > 760 for=20 > $650 so people really do desire top flight Tuners, I would not part with = > my=20 > other B 760. But I do wonder how many years are left for FM radio. = > Digital will=20 > probably be here before we know it!
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John
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I purchased my first tuner since the = > 80's last=20 > year, a Fanfare FT-1A.  I haven't used my system this much ever, I = > wish I=20 > would of purchased a good tuner a long time ago!
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I remember years ago when Angus McKenzie raved about this Tuner = > in Hi-Fi=20 > News. My choice would be the silver faceplate. I'm amazed how often = > these=20 > expensive units come up on ebay. I just sold a mint ReVox, Sanktified, = > B 760=20 > for $650 so people really do desire top flight Tuners, I would not = > part with=20 > my other B 760. But I do wonder how many years are left for FM radio. = > Digital=20 > will probably be here before we know it!
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John
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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ End of naktalk-digest V2 #1425 ****************************** ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Sat Oct 20 21:15:12 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 15:15:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1425 References: Message-ID: <011d01c1599b$8b342d60$7a2bfea9@brianm> I am heading out the door, so I haven't a lot of time, but yes, I heard improvements on every upgrade, or I wouldn't of made the changes. The Theta Data Basic is just a CD transport. It's my understanding that the Theta is based on Phillips. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Dedrick" To: Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 3:01 PM Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1425 > Brian, > > Interesting that you went from a 1 box to separates and back to a 1 box. > With the incremental changes you made could you actually attribute > differences when changing the transports? I would think the LD transport > would have been superior to a CD only transport, but this is only based on > the reading about the Pioneer unit, which I believe the Theta transport was > based on? Or was the Theta basic a CD only transport? > > I read about jitter, timing errors, and etc. but my logic still sez bits it > bits and as long as they are retrieved off the disk and sent to the D/A > section properly I can't see how a transport would affect sound quality. But > maybe the differences are in the timing/jitter/clocking and cabling issues? > Always found it interesting that Meridians 800 series uses what looks like a > PC CD ROM drive and I know Stephen has recommended the Musetex transport as > being a reliable one. > > TomD > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com] > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 14:01 > To: naktalk-digest at naks.com > Subject: naktalk-digest V2 #1425 > > > naktalk-digest Saturday, October 20 2001 Volume 02 : Number 1425 > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 14:38:52 -0400 > From: "Brian Miller" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1423 > > Tom, > > Years back I used a Denon CD player and then later added a separate Theta > Pro Prime DAC and it clearly improved it. Through the years I made > upgrades, as follows: I changed the Denon DCD1520 to a Phillipis CDV400 > laser disc player (It had a good transport in it for $400, I used it with > the Theta DAC), upgraded from the Phillips to a Theta Data Basic transport, > then a Pro Prime II DAC and now I have a Meridian 508.24 CD player, one box > unit) > > I have no doubts that you can improve a low buck CD player with a separate > DAC, if it allows for one. There are some awesome deals on used CD players > these days. I am not sure of the new formats, there are many people happy > with CD. > > Brian Miller > Michigan > http://brian.grar.com > - ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Dedrick" > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 2:20 PM > Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1423 > > > > I too purchased a Fanfare FT-1A FM tuner, but about 2 1/2 years ago when > the > > model first came out. Have to agree it has made a huge difference for me, > > even though I have a grand total of 1, yes one, decent FM station to > listen > > to, which is our local PBS station and their fund drive is on now. > > > > With all this talk about poor quality CD players, who has had experience > > with separate transports and D/A converters? Do different transports > > actually make the differences the audio press would lead us to believe? I > > have never done this as I can't bring myself to purchase an outboard D/A > > converter in this ever changing digital world, but I must say I have been > > tempted to as my cable box has a digital out and my Rega planet 1 box CD > > player does too. And I have seen several sound cards for the PC's with > > digital outs. I definitely see a trend this way. > > > > TomD > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com] > > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 12:00 > > To: naktalk-digest at naks.com > > Subject: naktalk-digest V2 #1423 > > > > > > naktalk-digest Saturday, October 20 2001 Volume 02 : Number > 1423 > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 11:47:56 +0700 > > From: "Salim Marzuki" > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > > > Stephen, so now it looks like we are having hard time getting decent new > > player at medium price. Probably below $600-700 our best bet would be to > > find quality used player or dvd player ... or maybe you still have any > > favorite among midclass modern CDPs ? > > > > What's your opinion on Arcam's Ring DAC ... is it truly best of both > worlds > > ? One review of FMJ says "... here was Multibit's emotion with > Bitstream's > > focus. ..." which probably reflects the consensus view of each method. > > Review also calls this £1100 player a "budget" super-fi - but even the > Arcam > > 9 is > $1000. > > > > Best regards, > > Salim SM > > > > > > - ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 6:23 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > > > > > > I've never seen a Harman/Kardon CD player I could recommend. All I have > > > seen from them ranged from just OK to sub-standard & many of the newer > > > models tend to develop fatally flakey problems. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 00:29:50 -0600 > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > > > There is no DVD player as of yet that I would recommend. There may be a > few > > that sound good, but I don't know of any that have proven any kind of good > > reliability. And there are lots of them that have proven very poor > > reliability. This is one reason I would have big reservations about the > > Arcam FMJ, which I just did a search & read a bit about. I also read the > > info on dCs's website about the "ring DAC". Lots of babble & no actual > > technical details, so I have no idea what to think about it, not having > any > > direct or even anecdotal experience with it. > > Honestly, I can't think of a currently produced CD player or transport, or > > DVD unit, that I would recommend over the "oldies" I've talked about. > > Pretty sad, isn't it? > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > - ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Salim Marzuki" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 10:47 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > > > > > > > > > Stephen, so now it looks like we are having hard time getting decent new > > > player at medium price. Probably below $600-700 our best bet would be > to > > > find quality used player or dvd player ... or maybe you still have any > > > favorite among midclass modern CDPs ? > > > > > > What's your opinion on Arcam's Ring DAC ... is it truly best of both > > worlds > > > ? One review of FMJ says "... here was Multibit's emotion with > > Bitstream's > > > focus. ..." which probably reflects the consensus view of each method. > > > Review also calls this £1100 player a "budget" super-fi - but even the > > Arcam > > > 9 is > $1000. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 6:23 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > > > > > > > > > I've never seen a Harman/Kardon CD player I could recommend. All I > have > > > > seen from them ranged from just OK to sub-standard & many of the newer > > > > models tend to develop fatally flakey problems. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 18:02:40 +0700 > > From: "Salim Marzuki" > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > > > Pretty sad for me and others with average budget, as now it's only either > > mass market crap or multibuck players. Finally CDP - and most midclass > home > > stereo - has gone the cassette deck way, where we need to look for the > > 'oldies' .. well, 94-95 doesn't sound that old anyway. :-) > > > > Speaking of which, my MB1s laser current as measured on pcb TP has already > > dropped to 41.0 mA as opposed to recommended 50-60 mA ... so it is getting > > old. However I think after optics replacement, I will end up with a > better > > player than average current models. > > > > It will take some time to find exact replacement, as most Sanyo SF91 over > > here has only connectors on the optics unit - instead of attached cables > as > > on the original. In the meantime I turned the optics trimpot to get 46.5 > mA > > and now it plays scratched discs better. Again ... thanks much for your > > help ! > > > > Best regards, > > Salim SM > > > > > > - ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 1:29 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > > > > > > There is no DVD player as of yet that I would recommend. There may be a > > few > > > that sound good, but I don't know of any that have proven any kind of > good > > > reliability. And there are lots of them that have proven very poor > > > reliability. This is one reason I would have big reservations about the > > > Arcam FMJ, which I just did a search & read a bit about. I also read > the > > > info on dCs's website about the "ring DAC". Lots of babble & no actual > > > technical details, so I have no idea what to think about it, not having > > any > > > direct or even anecdotal experience with it. > > > Honestly, I can't think of a currently produced CD player or transport, > or > > > DVD unit, that I would recommend over the "oldies" I've talked about. > > > Pretty sad, isn't it? > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 18:21:33 +0700 > > From: "Salim Marzuki" > > Subject: [naktalk] FYI - good looking SR4 for $38 still 1.5 day left > > > > More of that interesting descriptions on ebay. What a landlord ... he got > > so many goodies as security deposit ! > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1285476017 > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 18:29:06 +0700 > > From: "Salim Marzuki" > > Subject: [naktalk] OT: nice pics of yamaha ct7000 > > > > What a beautiful tuner ! (large pictures, takes time) > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1285104010 > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 11:24:36 -0400 > > From: "John M. Tooley" > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: nice pics of yamaha ct7000 > > > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > > > - ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01C15959.CCB12F50 > > Content-Type: text/plain; > > charset="iso-8859-1" > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > I remember years ago when Angus McKenzie raved about this Tuner in Hi-Fi = > > News. My choice would be the silver faceplate. I'm amazed how often = > > these expensive units come up on ebay. I just sold a mint ReVox, = > > Sanktified, B 760 for $650 so people really do desire top flight Tuners, = > > I would not part with my other B 760. But I do wonder how many years are = > > left for FM radio. Digital will probably be here before we know it! > > > > John > > - ----- Original Message -----=20 > > From: "Salim Marzuki" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 7:29 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] OT: nice pics of yamaha ct7000 > > > > > > >=20 > > > What a beautiful tuner ! (large pictures, takes time) > > >=20 > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D1285104010 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > = > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D-------------------------------------------------= > > - -----------------=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck = > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK = > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > = > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D-------------------------------------------------= > > - -----------------=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > >=20 > > > > - ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01C15959.CCB12F50 > > Content-Type: text/html; > > charset="iso-8859-1" > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > > > > > > charset=3Diso-8859-1"> > > > > > > > > > >
I remember years ago when Angus McKenzie raved about this Tuner in = > > Hi-Fi=20 > > News. My choice would be the silver faceplate. I'm amazed how often = > > these=20 > > expensive units come up on ebay. I just sold a mint ReVox, Sanktified, B = > > 760 for=20 > > $650 so people really do desire top flight Tuners, I would not part with = > > my=20 > > other B 760. But I do wonder how many years are left for FM radio. = > > Digital will=20 > > probably be here before we know it!
> >
 
> >
John
> >
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>=20 > > > > > > - ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01C15959.CCB12F50-- > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 23:27:25 +0700 > > From: "Salim Marzuki" > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: nice pics of yamaha ct7000 > > > > Hmm ... I thought we've bypassed the d.a.b. and go straight to 'oldies' > > analog tuner ! :-) Actually worldspace is one neat idea if only we can > get > > better sound quality - but I also wonder how long the company will be > > around. > > > > Salim SM > > > > > > - ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John M. Tooley" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 10:24 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: nice pics of yamaha ct7000 > > > > > > I remember years ago when Angus McKenzie raved about this Tuner in Hi-Fi > > News. My choice would be the silver faceplate. I'm amazed how often these > > expensive units come up on ebay. I just sold a mint ReVox, Sanktified, B > 760 > > for $650 so people really do desire top flight Tuners, I would not part > with > > my other B 760. But I do wonder how many years are left for FM radio. > > Digital will probably be here before we know it! > > > > John > > - ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Salim Marzuki" > > To: > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 12:37:50 -0400 > > From: "Brian Miller" > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: nice pics of yamaha ct7000 > > > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > > > - ------=_NextPart_000_00BD_01C15964.0811CAF0 > > Content-Type: text/plain; > > charset="iso-8859-1" > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > I purchased my first tuner since the 80's last year, a Fanfare FT-1A. I = > > haven't used my system this much ever, I wish I would of purchased a = > > good tuner a long time ago! > > > > FM could be great if they would quit compressing the signal!!!!!!!!! > > > > I do wonder if I bought in at the decline of FM. I am enjoying it = > > regardless. > > > > Brian Miller > > Michigan > > http://brian.grar.com > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > > From: John M. Tooley=20 > > To: naktalk at naks.com=20 > > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 11:24 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: nice pics of yamaha ct7000 > > > > > > I remember years ago when Angus McKenzie raved about this Tuner in = > > Hi-Fi News. My choice would be the silver faceplate. I'm amazed how = > > often these expensive units come up on ebay. I just sold a mint ReVox, = > > Sanktified, B 760 for $650 so people really do desire top flight Tuners, = > > I would not part with my other B 760. But I do wonder how many years are = > > left for FM radio. Digital will probably be here before we know it! > > > > John > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > > From: "Salim Marzuki" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 7:29 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] OT: nice pics of yamaha ct7000 > > > > > > >=20 > > > What a beautiful tuner ! (large pictures, takes time) > > >=20 > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D1285104010 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > = > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D-------------------------------------------------= > > - -----------------=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette = > > Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK = > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > = > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D-------------------------------------------------= > > - -----------------=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > >=20 > > > > - ------=_NextPart_000_00BD_01C15964.0811CAF0 > > Content-Type: text/html; > > charset="iso-8859-1" > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > > > > > > http-equiv=3DContent-Type> > > > > > > > > > >
I purchased my first tuner since the = > > 80's last=20 > > year, a Fanfare FT-1A.  I haven't used my system this much ever, I = > > wish I=20 > > would of purchased a good tuner a long time ago!
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> >
FM could be great if they would quit = > > compressing=20 > > the signal!!!!!!!!!
> >
 
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I do wonder if I bought in at the = > > decline of=20 > > FM.  I am enjoying it regardless.
> >
 
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Brian Miller
Michigan
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I remember years ago when Angus McKenzie raved about this Tuner = > > in Hi-Fi=20 > > News. My choice would be the silver faceplate. I'm amazed how often = > > these=20 > > expensive units come up on ebay. I just sold a mint ReVox, Sanktified, = > > B 760=20 > > for $650 so people really do desire top flight Tuners, I would not = > > part with=20 > > my other B 760. But I do wonder how many years are left for FM radio. = > > Digital=20 > > will probably be here before we know it!
> >
 
> >
John
> >
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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Oct 20 22:02:55 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 14:02:55 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question References: <20011018045747.CBGO11522.jktsm02@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> <026a01c1579b$34025500$203442cf@sank1> <007801c158f3$730ccb00$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> <04b401c158f5$1230bba0$203442cf@sank1> <000301c15859$38fca6a0$43299bca@smarzuki> <058901c15930$9fc9f680$203442cf@sank1> <3BD1BB81.36B3133C@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <05c401c159a2$35df86a0$203442cf@sank1> Unfortunately, the Mac MCD7000 has the generation of DSP chip set that was before SPDIF digital out was brought into wide use, so it is impossible to add one. When speaking of transports, this very much includes the laser optical pickup. For instance, when I speak of the criminally cheap & horrible Philips CDM-12 series, 2/3 of my disgust for it is about the laser. It is so cheap that the laser diode(a rather hot running device) is integrated onto the same chip die as the photodiode array(a very sensitive bit). This is why they fail so frequently, I am sure. The lasers from Sharp of the last few years(as used in the so-called "pro" Denon CD players)are made the same way, with simlar reliability. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > Stephen and Nakers, > > given the opinions recently shared about the oldies being better than the newbies > regarding CD players (interesting how often oldies are better in so many categories > than newbies) what is generally entailed (please don't spend alot of time typing the > specifics of the addition, just the general cost and in labor and materials) in adding > a digital out to very good 1 bit players. Your thoughts on my mcd7000 seem positive. > Would this be a unit that could be retrofitted for digital out, even though, I > suspect, it might devalue a great, classic mac component. When you refer to transport > of disc players, does that also include the optics? > > Thanks all. > > p.s. here are some great speakers if you live close enough to pick 'em up > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1286025939 > > > Brian Stocker > > > > > There is no DVD player as of yet that I would recommend. There may be a few > > that sound good, but I don't know of any that have proven any kind of good > > reliability. And there are lots of them that have proven very poor > > reliability. This is one reason I would have big reservations about the > > Arcam FMJ, which I just did a search & read a bit about. I also read the > > info on dCs's website about the "ring DAC". Lots of babble & no actual > > technical details, so I have no idea what to think about it, not having any > > direct or even anecdotal experience with it. > > Honestly, I can't think of a currently produced CD player or transport, or > > DVD unit, that I would recommend over the "oldies" I've talked about. > > Pretty sad, isn't it? > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Salim Marzuki" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 10:47 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > > > > > > > Stephen, so now it looks like we are having hard time getting decent new > > > player at medium price. Probably below $600-700 our best bet would be to > > > find quality used player or dvd player ... or maybe you still have any > > > favorite among midclass modern CDPs ? > > > > > > What's your opinion on Arcam's Ring DAC ... is it truly best of both > > worlds > > > ? One review of FMJ says "... here was Multibit's emotion with > > Bitstream's > > > focus. ..." which probably reflects the consensus view of each method. > > > Review also calls this �1100 player a "budget" super-fi - but even the > > Arcam > > > 9 is > $1000. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 6:23 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > > > > > > > > > I've never seen a Harman/Kardon CD player I could recommend. All I have > > > > seen from them ranged from just OK to sub-standard & many of the newer > > > > models tend to develop fatally flakey problems. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From joelll at genericdomain.net Sat Oct 20 23:40:45 2001 From: joelll at genericdomain.net (Joel Herda) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 17:40:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [naktalk] OT: nice pics of yamaha ct7000 In-Reply-To: <00c001c15985$8f9da400$7a2bfea9@brianm> Message-ID: On Sat, 20 Oct 2001, Brian Miller wrote: > I purchased my first tuner since the 80's last year, a Fanfare FT-1A. > I haven't used my system this much ever, I wish I would of purchased a > good tuner a long time ago! > > FM could be great if they would quit compressing the signal!!!!!!!!! > > I do wonder if I bought in at the decline of FM. I am enjoying it > regardless. I don't think FM is about to disappear. The drive-time market makes wayyy too much money for them. And US drivers spend more time in traffic now than ever... I think it may depend on where you live. Here in the Boston radio market, there's a lot to listen to, though after 21 years of listening, I finally got fed up with the format of the local alternative station, WFNX, which went from alternative to rap/grunge and started hiring shock-jocks in an attempt to land the 18-24 year old audience. Bleah. I mostly listen to college radio now, WERS (Emerson College), WUMB (UMass Boston), WMBR (MIT), and other weird stuff at the left end of the dial. I also occasionally remember to listen to the friday night 80's on one commercial station, WXRV, and the only actualy 1950's oldies show with rockabilly and do-wop on Sunday night on the local oldies station WODS. I also spend a fair amount of time listening to the local classical station, whose call letters I can't remember at the moment. But I listen to a *lot* of radio... although I have a full stereo set up in my study (Sansui 4000 receiver, Sony CA9ES cd player, Nak 600 tape deck, and Original Large Advent and Genesis Physics model I speakers (both pairs driven sound quite good together)), I mostly listen to radio while hanging around on the computer. As far as FM tuners go, although I don't have the budget right now, I intend to pick up one of the Sansui TU-9900 or TU-X1 tuners are reasonably priced (they go on ebay for about $500-600). I just happen to like 1970's Sansui gear (in addition to the 4000 receiver mentioned above, my livingroom system is currently using a model Eight receiver). And classic Sansui components go pretty cheaply on ebay, and even more cheaply at yard sales. Oh, as far as CD players go, the CA9ES is okay, the Marantz CC-63se i have is so-so, but I really like my old Denon DCD1520, still going strong in my bedroom system. joel -- Joel Herda joelll at genericdomain.net joelll at world.std.com When I grow up, I want to be like me ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sun Oct 21 02:28:42 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 20:28:42 EDT Subject: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question Message-ID: <103.adb7f97.290370ba@aol.com> In a message dated 10/20/2001 12:52:25 PM Central Daylight Time, britri at pacbell.net writes: << > Honestly, I can't think of a currently produced CD player or transport, or > DVD unit, that I would recommend over the "oldies" I've talked about. > Pretty sad, isn't it? >> Hey Stephen, what about the Pioneer DV-09? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sun Oct 21 02:49:59 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 20:49:59 EDT Subject: [naktalk] OT: nice pics of yamaha ct7000 Message-ID: <15f.29f6e3b.290375b7@aol.com> In a message dated 10/20/2001 4:42:55 PM Central Daylight Time, joelll at genericdomain.net writes: << Oh, as far as CD players go, the CA9ES is okay, the Marantz CC-63se i have is so-so, but I really like my old Denon DCD1520, still going strong in my bedroom system. >> Hi Joel, I too like my Denon DCD 1520, although I need to send it to Stephen to fix the sticking drawer, and resolder a ground plug that is causing static during playback. It's a nice unit, and has a digital out to use with a separate DAC. Stephen - are there any mods you'd recommend for the Denon DCD 1520? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sun Oct 21 02:57:10 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 20:57:10 EDT Subject: [naktalk] OT (Off Topic) - speaking of tuners... Message-ID: <105.b13e60b.29037766@aol.com> Does anyone on this list own the Nak ST-7 tuner? I've only heard good things about it and am curious to learn more. Also, check out the new McIntosh MR 85 tuner. I don't understand why you would want to run two separate, independent tuners at the same time, but you can with this model. http://www.mcintoshlabs.com -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Sun Oct 21 03:52:33 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 21:52:33 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Decent DVD player References: <20011018045747.CBGO11522.jktsm02@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> <026a01c1579b$34025500$203442cf@sank1> <007801c158f3$730ccb00$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> <04b401c158f5$1230bba0$203442cf@sank1> <000301c15859$38fca6a0$43299bca@smarzuki> <058901c15930$9fc9f680$203442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3BD22A60.29052B74@snet.net> I would suggest that a number of people I've talked to consider the Sony DVP-7000 and DVP-7700 to be very good quality transports. The DVP-7000 is actually first generation top of the line (read best that Sony will ever make before the backhill slide they're famous for) and has earned a bit of a cult following as a audio only transport. I can't say too much good about the analog outs, but with an outboard converter I have found myself very pleased. Ed Stephen Sank wrote: > There is no DVD player as of yet that I would recommend. There may be a few > that sound good, but I don't know of any that have proven any kind of good > reliability. And there are lots of them that have proven very poor > reliability. This is one reason I would have big reservations about the > Arcam FMJ, which I just did a search & read a bit about. I also read the > info on dCs's website about the "ring DAC". Lots of babble & no actual > technical details, so I have no idea what to think about it, not having any > direct or even anecdotal experience with it. > Honestly, I can't think of a currently produced CD player or transport, or > DVD unit, that I would recommend over the "oldies" I've talked about. > Pretty sad, isn't it? > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salim Marzuki" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 10:47 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > > > > Stephen, so now it looks like we are having hard time getting decent new > > player at medium price. Probably below $600-700 our best bet would be to > > find quality used player or dvd player ... or maybe you still have any > > favorite among midclass modern CDPs ? > > > > What's your opinion on Arcam's Ring DAC ... is it truly best of both > worlds > > ? One review of FMJ says "... here was Multibit's emotion with > Bitstream's > > focus. ..." which probably reflects the consensus view of each method. > > Review also calls this £1100 player a "budget" super-fi - but even the > Arcam > > 9 is > $1000. > > > > Best regards, > > Salim SM > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 6:23 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > > > > > > I've never seen a Harman/Kardon CD player I could recommend. All I have > > > seen from them ranged from just OK to sub-standard & many of the newer > > > models tend to develop fatally flakey problems. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Oct 20 04:35:56 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 09:35:56 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: nice pics of yamaha ct7000 References: Message-ID: <002601c1590f$f2fc7f60$78289bca@smarzuki> Hi Joel, Check this one out, Kenwood L-07T. Seller says this is up there with TU-X1 and better than most 'big macs' ..... please direct flames to the seller, not me. :-) http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1287395499 Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Herda" To: Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 4:40 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: nice pics of yamaha ct7000 > On Sat, 20 Oct 2001, Brian Miller wrote: > > > I purchased my first tuner since the 80's last year, a Fanfare FT-1A. > > I haven't used my system this much ever, I wish I would of purchased a > > good tuner a long time ago! > > > > FM could be great if they would quit compressing the signal!!!!!!!!! > > > > I do wonder if I bought in at the decline of FM. I am enjoying it > > regardless. > > I don't think FM is about to disappear. The drive-time market makes wayyy > too much money for them. And US drivers spend more time in traffic now > than ever... > > I think it may depend on where you live. Here in the Boston radio market, > there's a lot to listen to, though after 21 years of listening, I finally > got fed up with the format of the local alternative station, WFNX, which > went from alternative to rap/grunge and started hiring shock-jocks in an > attempt to land the 18-24 year old audience. Bleah. > > I mostly listen to college radio now, WERS (Emerson College), WUMB (UMass > Boston), WMBR (MIT), and other weird stuff at the left end of the dial. I > also occasionally remember to listen to the friday night 80's on one > commercial station, WXRV, and the only actualy 1950's oldies show with > rockabilly and do-wop on Sunday night on the local oldies station WODS. I > also spend a fair amount of time listening to the local classical station, > whose call letters I can't remember at the moment. > > But I listen to a *lot* of radio... although I have a full stereo set up > in my study (Sansui 4000 receiver, Sony CA9ES cd player, Nak 600 tape > deck, and Original Large Advent and Genesis Physics model I speakers (both > pairs driven sound quite good together)), I mostly listen to radio while > hanging around on the computer. > > As far as FM tuners go, although I don't have the budget right now, I > intend to pick up one of the Sansui TU-9900 or TU-X1 tuners are reasonably > priced (they go on ebay for about $500-600). I just happen to like 1970's > Sansui gear (in addition to the 4000 receiver mentioned above, my > livingroom system is currently using a model Eight receiver). And classic > Sansui components go pretty cheaply on ebay, and even more cheaply at yard > sales. > > Oh, as far as CD players go, the CA9ES is okay, the Marantz CC-63se i have > is so-so, but I really like my old Denon DCD1520, still going strong in my > bedroom system. > > > joel > > > -- > Joel Herda > joelll at genericdomain.net > joelll at world.std.com When I grow up, I want to be like me > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sun Oct 21 04:46:11 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 22:46:11 EDT Subject: [naktalk] OT: nice pics of yamaha ct7000 Message-ID: <73.14c224b1.290390f3@aol.com> Hi All, I'm curious, and please forgive me if I missed it as I'm just flying though all of the posts, but how come no one mentioned Magnum Dynalab during the discussion of tuners? Again, just curious... -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Oct 21 05:04:47 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 21:04:47 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question References: <103.adb7f97.290370ba@aol.com> Message-ID: <062f01c159dd$25159360$203442cf@sank1> I've seen enough "needs repair" ebay auctions on Pioneer DVD units to be wary of their reliability, but it seems they are at least more reliable than average. Which isn't saying much. I know the DV-09 is a good video performer, but I haven't heard anyone rave about it's audio. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 6:28 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > In a message dated 10/20/2001 12:52:25 PM Central Daylight Time, > britri at pacbell.net writes: > > << > Honestly, I can't think of a currently produced CD player or transport, > or > > DVD unit, that I would recommend over the "oldies" I've talked about. > > Pretty sad, isn't it? >> > > Hey Stephen, what about the Pioneer DV-09? > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Oct 21 05:12:29 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 21:12:29 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Decent DVD player References: <20011018045747.CBGO11522.jktsm02@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> <026a01c1579b$34025500$203442cf@sank1> <007801c158f3$730ccb00$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> <04b401c158f5$1230bba0$203442cf@sank1> <000301c15859$38fca6a0$43299bca@smarzuki> <058901c15930$9fc9f680$203442cf@sank1> <3BD22A60.29052B74@snet.net> Message-ID: <063901c159de$38382560$203442cf@sank1> A friend of mine has the DVP-S7000, then bought a Museatex CD-D on my recommendation. The CD-D was the clear winner as a transport. Shortly after getting the CD-D, the Sony started failing. As do most Sony DVD units after a year or so. Their reliability record is only a little better than Panasonic's, which is really bad. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Noyes" To: Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 7:52 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: Decent DVD player > I would suggest that a number of people I've talked to consider the Sony DVP-7000 and > DVP-7700 to be very good quality transports. The DVP-7000 is actually first generation > top of the line (read best that Sony will ever make before the backhill slide they're > famous for) and has earned a bit of a cult following as a audio only transport. I > can't say too much good about the analog outs, but with an outboard converter I have > found myself very pleased. > > Ed > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > There is no DVD player as of yet that I would recommend. There may be a few > > that sound good, but I don't know of any that have proven any kind of good > > reliability. And there are lots of them that have proven very poor > > reliability. This is one reason I would have big reservations about the > > Arcam FMJ, which I just did a search & read a bit about. I also read the > > info on dCs's website about the "ring DAC". Lots of babble & no actual > > technical details, so I have no idea what to think about it, not having any > > direct or even anecdotal experience with it. > > Honestly, I can't think of a currently produced CD player or transport, or > > DVD unit, that I would recommend over the "oldies" I've talked about. > > Pretty sad, isn't it? > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Salim Marzuki" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 10:47 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > > > > > > > Stephen, so now it looks like we are having hard time getting decent new > > > player at medium price. Probably below $600-700 our best bet would be to > > > find quality used player or dvd player ... or maybe you still have any > > > favorite among midclass modern CDPs ? > > > > > > What's your opinion on Arcam's Ring DAC ... is it truly best of both > > worlds > > > ? One review of FMJ says "... here was Multibit's emotion with > > Bitstream's > > > focus. ..." which probably reflects the consensus view of each method. > > > Review also calls this �1100 player a "budget" super-fi - but even the > > Arcam > > > 9 is > $1000. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 6:23 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > > > > > > > > > I've never seen a Harman/Kardon CD player I could recommend. All I have > > > > seen from them ranged from just OK to sub-standard & many of the newer > > > > models tend to develop fatally flakey problems. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sun Oct 21 05:19:27 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 23:19:27 EDT Subject: [naktalk] OT - Off Topic: If you've got $13K lying around, this is the McIntosh system 4u Message-ID: <133.35a99b1.290398bf@aol.com> Anyone ever heard these speakers? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1287286014 -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From n.van.wijnen at home.nl Sun Oct 21 17:29:04 2001 From: n.van.wijnen at home.nl (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 17:29:04 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question References: <103.adb7f97.290370ba@aol.com> <062f01c159dd$25159360$203442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <002001c15a45$1e302700$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> Stephan, What is in your opinion a good and reliable cd player then. You speak about the oldies ? Must we all buy a Nakamichi OMS 5/7 player , or someting like that ? And does it sound just as good as the newer generation players with burr brown inside ? Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 5:04 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > I've seen enough "needs repair" ebay auctions on Pioneer DVD units to be > wary of their reliability, but it seems they are at least more reliable than > average. Which isn't saying much. I know the DV-09 is a good video > performer, but I haven't heard anyone rave about it's audio. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 6:28 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > > > In a message dated 10/20/2001 12:52:25 PM Central Daylight Time, > > britri at pacbell.net writes: > > > > << > Honestly, I can't think of a currently produced CD player or > transport, > > or > > > DVD unit, that I would recommend over the "oldies" I've talked about. > > > Pretty sad, isn't it? >> > > > > Hey Stephen, what about the Pioneer DV-09? > > > > -Sam > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Oct 20 18:09:01 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 23:09:01 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question References: <103.adb7f97.290370ba@aol.com> <062f01c159dd$25159360$203442cf@sank1> <002001c15a45$1e302700$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> Message-ID: <001601c15981$88ad5a40$861a9bca@smarzuki> Hi Norman, I'm also curiously waiting for Stephen's recommendation ! In the meantime, I'd like to add that inside Nak CD Player 3 there's already a 20bit Burr Brown dac ... and inside MB1s / MB2 there are two (!) BB for each channel's low level and high level signal for 'extended linearity', fwiw. Another interesting note, Naim are quoted using 16 bit dacs on its $4k & $7.5k players, maybe a typo on stereo review buyers guide ... Best regards, Salim SM PS: does anybody have datasheet for this BB's PCM1700 ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman van Wijnen" To: Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 10:29 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > Stephan, > > What is in your opinion a good and reliable cd player then. > You speak about the oldies ? Must we all buy a Nakamichi OMS 5/7 player , or > someting like that ? > And does it sound just as good as the newer generation players with burr > brown inside ? > > Norman > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jherrman at fas.harvard.edu Sun Oct 21 18:23:21 2001 From: jherrman at fas.harvard.edu (Jud Herrman) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 12:23:21 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] thoughts on 582z In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 27 Sep 2001 12:02:07 MDT." <04b701c1477e$861d40c0$493442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <200110211623.MAA02161@herrman.road> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- A very belated follow-up to the helpful comments I received when contemplating purchasing a 582z about a month ago. The deck looks great, and passed the tests suggested by Stephen, so I snapped it up at $150 (and sent my 480 to be tuned up by Stephen as a gift for a Nak-curious friend). I haven't had enough time to compare carefully this deck with my 680zx. It's not obvious to me which should be used for playing, and which for recording, on tape-to-tape dupes. To my ears and in my system they sound about the same, that is very good. What do the different calibrating methods amount to in the end? On the 680zx one sets the switch to ``cal'', pushes play-record and it works for a few seconds (blinking light stabilizes). Then one adjusts the level on the meters. On the 582z there are two test tones and sets of calibrating screws. Does this do a better job than the 680zx? Should I be going through the entire procedure for each tape if I always use the same media (TDK SA90s)? I couldn't do anything useful by passing the 400khz tone from the 582z in to the 680zx, could I? There are a number of slight differences. On the recording side, the 582z has Dolby C, which I don't care about, while the 680zx has half-speed, which is occasionally useful for FM recording. The 680zx also has the RAMM function, which I find convenient. I don't like the meters on the 582z at all in comparison to the 50-segment display on the 680zx, or the analogue meters on the 480 (the only thing I'll really miss on my old deck). Best, Jud PS Are there archives of this list available anywhere? They would be a valuable resource. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Pub. key: http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~jherrman/pgp.html iQCVAwUBO9L2cvhj30kBwGixAQFJLgQAg8fT1V4rLzoB6+XOKjssBtYNQU715efh NseqoE1L4gQKfK5ab5RgnHd3TC5FnNsMFlmClxdw16IelSuzb47olnIDpWlGJBSE /5BgbXoEz2680d0tSS+zBa2+zEoAws6JV5GGMTuebBmCLU8a9N1dYKnx01yYiQxE fLnwwxMbNYs= =tnOn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Oct 21 19:51:16 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 18:51:16 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] talk about disappearing speakers ... In-Reply-To: <3BD0ADC2.74A47C66@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <002201c15a58$fb635ee0$7cb2193e@a4s1s2> Yes Brian - there is a disease called Nakasenilia that affects us older guys with Naks and it's associated with the affliction that appears to have affected the guy who lost the speaker. We have to be on our guard for it. First signs of it are not being able to find your Nakamichi remote, or even if you have one. Thereafter it degenerates into forgetting where the cassettes are and finally, "losing" the decks .... Dr Nonsense, MD -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of britri at pacbell.net Sent: 19 October 2001 23:49 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] talk about disappearing speakers ... You need to have a very big house and a very bad memory. Is there something important about this UGLY speaker that Nakers should know about? Brian Stocker -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Oct 20 21:13:34 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 02:13:34 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] talk about disappearing speakers ... References: <002201c15a58$fb635ee0$7cb2193e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <000f01c1599b$50c0cc60$4a289bca@smarzuki> Now I understand why nak offered *wired* remote ... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 12:51 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] talk about disappearing speakers ... > Yes Brian - there is a disease called Nakasenilia that affects us older guys > with Naks and it's associated with the affliction that appears to have > affected the guy who lost the speaker. We have to be on our guard for it. > First signs of it are not being able to find your Nakamichi remote, or even > if you have one. Thereafter it degenerates into forgetting where the > cassettes are and finally, "losing" the decks .... > > Dr Nonsense, MD > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Oct 21 23:59:55 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 15:59:55 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question References: <103.adb7f97.290370ba@aol.com> <062f01c159dd$25159360$203442cf@sank1> <002001c15a45$1e302700$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> Message-ID: <06c301c15a7b$b8d79d20$203442cf@sank1> The OMS-5/7/5II/7II were really nice players, but I consider the CDPlayer2 to be the best of Nak players, followed closely by the CDPlayer1. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman van Wijnen" To: Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 9:29 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > Stephan, > > What is in your opinion a good and reliable cd player then. > You speak about the oldies ? Must we all buy a Nakamichi OMS 5/7 player , or > someting like that ? > And does it sound just as good as the newer generation players with burr > brown inside ? > > Norman > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 5:04 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > > > I've seen enough "needs repair" ebay auctions on Pioneer DVD units to be > > wary of their reliability, but it seems they are at least more reliable > than > > average. Which isn't saying much. I know the DV-09 is a good video > > performer, but I haven't heard anyone rave about it's audio. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 6:28 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > > > > > > In a message dated 10/20/2001 12:52:25 PM Central Daylight Time, > > > britri at pacbell.net writes: > > > > > > << > Honestly, I can't think of a currently produced CD player or > > transport, > > > or > > > > DVD unit, that I would recommend over the "oldies" I've talked about. > > > > Pretty sad, isn't it? >> > > > > > > Hey Stephen, what about the Pioneer DV-09? > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Oct 22 00:43:26 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 16:43:26 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] thoughts on 582z References: <200110211623.MAA02161@herrman.road> Message-ID: <06dd01c15a81$ccb0bba0$203442cf@sank1> The 582z has one advantage over the 680ZX- the bias level calibration tone & trimpots. The 680ZX has only level calibration, along with the auto rec head azimuth. To best use the calibrations, while in record, turn on the 400Hz tone & use the bias trimmers to maximize the meter readings, then trim the levels to 0vu. Then, switch to 15kHz & trim to 0vu with the bias trimmers. Then, go back to 400Hz & trim if needed to 0vu. If the 680ZX is accurately calibrated, then using TDK D, SA(or maxell XLII) & MA should yield as accurate bias as the 582z, though. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jud Herrman" To: Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] thoughts on 582z > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > A very belated follow-up to the helpful comments I received when > contemplating purchasing a 582z about a month ago. > > The deck looks great, and passed the tests suggested by Stephen, so I > snapped it up at $150 (and sent my 480 to be tuned up by Stephen as a > gift for a Nak-curious friend). > > I haven't had enough time to compare carefully this deck with my > 680zx. It's not obvious to me which should be used for playing, and > which for recording, on tape-to-tape dupes. To my ears and in my > system they sound about the same, that is very good. > > What do the different calibrating methods amount to in the end? On the > 680zx one sets the switch to ``cal'', pushes play-record and it works > for a few seconds (blinking light stabilizes). Then one adjusts the > level on the meters. On the 582z there are two test tones and sets of > calibrating screws. Does this do a better job than the 680zx? Should I > be going through the entire procedure for each tape if I always use > the same media (TDK SA90s)? I couldn't do anything useful by passing > the 400khz tone from the 582z in to the 680zx, could I? > > There are a number of slight differences. On the recording side, the > 582z has Dolby C, which I don't care about, while the 680zx has > half-speed, which is occasionally useful for FM recording. The 680zx > also has the RAMM function, which I find convenient. I don't like the > meters on the 582z at all in comparison to the 50-segment display on > the 680zx, or the analogue meters on the 480 (the only thing I'll > really miss on my old deck). > > Best, Jud > > PS Are there archives of this list available anywhere? They would be a > valuable resource. > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: 2.6.2 > Comment: Pub. key: http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~jherrman/pgp.html > > iQCVAwUBO9L2cvhj30kBwGixAQFJLgQAg8fT1V4rLzoB6+XOKjssBtYNQU715efh > NseqoE1L4gQKfK5ab5RgnHd3TC5FnNsMFlmClxdw16IelSuzb47olnIDpWlGJBSE > /5BgbXoEz2680d0tSS+zBa2+zEoAws6JV5GGMTuebBmCLU8a9N1dYKnx01yYiQxE > fLnwwxMbNYs= > =tnOn > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Oct 22 00:36:42 2001 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 08:36:42 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] 120 volt to 240 volt conversions. Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365AB7@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Maurits, I think I was half asleep when I wrote about the countries and the cycles in the mains voltage. Regards Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Maurits [mailto:m.raven at chello.nl] Sent: Saturday, 20 October 2001 4:55 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] 120 volt to 240 volt conversions. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" To: Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 2:16 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] 120 volt to 240 volt conversions. > Hi Graham, > > Thanks for replying. Would there be any performance downgrade due to the frequency difference, America = 50Hz vs Australia = 60Hz? Naks specks doesn't differ according to the mainssupply freq/voltage. Btw. US has 60 cycles. > I simply bought transformers. Won most of them on e-Bay, too. That's all .... Maurits ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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I also have very, very little money to spend on audio *anything* right now... joel -- Joel Herda joelll at genericdomain.net joelll at world.std.com When I grow up, I want to be like me ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Oct 22 12:06:25 2001 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 12:06:25 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] OT: nice pics of yamaha ct7000 Message-ID: Couldn't agree more Joel, Sansui's heydey seemed to have been in the 70's - their tuners were as good as anything around today for sensible money and I have a soft spot for graduates of the great 70s receiver wars. They concentrated on the basics, and then overdid them. Rather a fun type of credo I guess. Good luck on finding that tuner. Cheers, Marc >>> joelll at genericdomain.net 10/20/01 11:40PM >>> On Sat, 20 Oct 2001, Brian Miller wrote: > I purchased my first tuner since the 80's last year, a Fanfare FT-1A. > I haven't used my system this much ever, I wish I would of purchased a > good tuner a long time ago! > > FM could be great if they would quit compressing the signal!!!!!!!!! > > I do wonder if I bought in at the decline of FM. I am enjoying it > regardless. I don't think FM is about to disappear. The drive-time market makes wayyy too much money for them. And US drivers spend more time in traffic now than ever... I think it may depend on where you live. Here in the Boston radio market, there's a lot to listen to, though after 21 years of listening, I finally got fed up with the format of the local alternative station, WFNX, which went from alternative to rap/grunge and started hiring shock-jocks in an attempt to land the 18-24 year old audience. Bleah. I mostly listen to college radio now, WERS (Emerson College), WUMB (UMass Boston), WMBR (MIT), and other weird stuff at the left end of the dial. I also occasionally remember to listen to the friday night 80's on one commercial station, WXRV, and the only actualy 1950's oldies show with rockabilly and do-wop on Sunday night on the local oldies station WODS. I also spend a fair amount of time listening to the local classical station, whose call letters I can't remember at the moment. But I listen to a *lot* of radio... although I have a full stereo set up in my study (Sansui 4000 receiver, Sony CA9ES cd player, Nak 600 tape deck, and Original Large Advent and Genesis Physics model I speakers (both pairs driven sound quite good together)), I mostly listen to radio while hanging around on the computer. As far as FM tuners go, although I don't have the budget right now, I intend to pick up one of the Sansui TU-9900 or TU-X1 tuners are reasonably priced (they go on ebay for about $500-600). I just happen to like 1970's Sansui gear (in addition to the 4000 receiver mentioned above, my livingroom system is currently using a model Eight receiver). And classic Sansui components go pretty cheaply on ebay, and even more cheaply at yard sales. Oh, as far as CD players go, the CA9ES is okay, the Marantz CC-63se i have is so-so, but I really like my old Denon DCD1520, still going strong in my bedroom system. joel -- Joel Herda joelll at genericdomain.net joelll at world.std.com When I grow up, I want to be like me ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Oct 21 14:53:18 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 19:53:18 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT - External DAC Message-ID: <000d01c15a2f$5d25b6c0$69289bca@smarzuki> Hi Nakfellas, Considering that we're (at least in my case) somewhat stuck to oldies for better midclass players ... does anybody has a 'good value' (read - on the cheap side) external dac recommendation ? And for curiosity's sake, does anybody know if there's an external Ring DAC available other than dCS Elgar's expensive unit ? Best regards, Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Mon Oct 22 18:55:35 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 09:55:35 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT (Off Topic) - speaking of tuners... References: <105.b13e60b.29037766@aol.com> Message-ID: <3BD44F86.C8727207@pacbell.net> Hi Sam and Nakers, My understanding of the new Mac tuners is that they are a big box with a cigarette pack tuner module made in Japan, thus the ease of adding another tuner module. I think that the last really good tuner from mac is the the MR 80, according to Stephen and others. I cant recall if Stephen posted this to the group or emailed me the tuner info. I have an mx-130 which I am told has the same cigarette pack tuner. Pick up an mx-130 for cheap and get a whole preamp along with the same/similar tuner! Brian Stocker SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > Does anyone on this list own the Nak ST-7 tuner? I've only heard good things > about it and am curious to learn more. Also, check out the new McIntosh MR > 85 tuner. I don't understand why you would want to run two separate, > independent tuners at the same time, but you can with this model. > > http://www.mcintoshlabs.com > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Mon Oct 22 19:05:51 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 10:05:51 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: nice pics of yamaha ct7000 References: <002601c1590f$f2fc7f60$78289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3BD451EE.6A4CA748@pacbell.net> I'd rather have a "big mac", much easier on the teeth :-) Brian Stocker Salim Marzuki wrote: > Hi Joel, > > Check this one out, Kenwood L-07T. Seller says this is up there with TU-X1 > and better than most 'big macs' ..... please direct flames to the seller, > not me. :-) > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1287395499 > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joel Herda" > To: > Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 4:40 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: nice pics of yamaha ct7000 > > > On Sat, 20 Oct 2001, Brian Miller wrote: > > > > > I purchased my first tuner since the 80's last year, a Fanfare FT-1A. > > > I haven't used my system this much ever, I wish I would of purchased a > > > good tuner a long time ago! > > > > > > FM could be great if they would quit compressing the signal!!!!!!!!! > > > > > > I do wonder if I bought in at the decline of FM. I am enjoying it > > > regardless. > > > > I don't think FM is about to disappear. The drive-time market makes wayyy > > too much money for them. And US drivers spend more time in traffic now > > than ever... > > > > I think it may depend on where you live. Here in the Boston radio market, > > there's a lot to listen to, though after 21 years of listening, I finally > > got fed up with the format of the local alternative station, WFNX, which > > went from alternative to rap/grunge and started hiring shock-jocks in an > > attempt to land the 18-24 year old audience. Bleah. > > > > I mostly listen to college radio now, WERS (Emerson College), WUMB (UMass > > Boston), WMBR (MIT), and other weird stuff at the left end of the dial. I > > also occasionally remember to listen to the friday night 80's on one > > commercial station, WXRV, and the only actualy 1950's oldies show with > > rockabilly and do-wop on Sunday night on the local oldies station WODS. I > > also spend a fair amount of time listening to the local classical station, > > whose call letters I can't remember at the moment. > > > > But I listen to a *lot* of radio... although I have a full stereo set up > > in my study (Sansui 4000 receiver, Sony CA9ES cd player, Nak 600 tape > > deck, and Original Large Advent and Genesis Physics model I speakers (both > > pairs driven sound quite good together)), I mostly listen to radio while > > hanging around on the computer. > > > > As far as FM tuners go, although I don't have the budget right now, I > > intend to pick up one of the Sansui TU-9900 or TU-X1 tuners are reasonably > > priced (they go on ebay for about $500-600). I just happen to like 1970's > > Sansui gear (in addition to the 4000 receiver mentioned above, my > > livingroom system is currently using a model Eight receiver). And classic > > Sansui components go pretty cheaply on ebay, and even more cheaply at yard > > sales. > > > > Oh, as far as CD players go, the CA9ES is okay, the Marantz CC-63se i have > > is so-so, but I really like my old Denon DCD1520, still going strong in my > > bedroom system. > > > > > > joel > > > > > > -- > > Joel Herda > > joelll at genericdomain.net > > joelll at world.std.com When I grow up, I want to be like me > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: <12a.627fd8e.2905afde@aol.com> In a message dated 10/22/2001 12:08:28 PM Central Daylight Time, britri at pacbell.net writes: << I have heard that these speakers sound excellent and were Roger Russells's last great mega- speaker he designed for Mac. I contacted the seller and, unfortunately, all original boxes and crates were trashed. For those who live close to this region, this auction would be a great investment to own or resell if the reserve does not go too high. Selling complete systems on ebay is usually a mistake as individual items usually can fetch more. Brian Stocker >> Thanks Brian. If I had the cash on-hand, and I'm not what you would call a Mac fan, I'd purchase this system and sell a few components. Can anyone tell me what the 3rd amp is used for? I understand the two mono-blocks used to drive those huge speakers, but what is the other amp being used for? And yes Brian you're correct - some of those components would gather more if sold separately. Although, given the current economy, used stereo equipment can not demand the top dollar as it did just a year ago. It seems like everyone is selling their equipment for quick cash. Time for me to bump up my savings... -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Oct 22 19:29:17 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 13:29:17 EDT Subject: [naktalk] OT (Off Topic) - speaking of tuners... Message-ID: <121.5ecbba2.2905b16d@aol.com> In a message dated 10/22/2001 11:50:00 AM Central Daylight Time, britri at pacbell.net writes: << Hi Sam and Nakers, My understanding of the new Mac tuners is that they are a big box with a cigarette pack tuner module made in Japan, thus the ease of adding another tuner module. I think that the last really good tuner from mac is the the MR 80, according to Stephen and others. I cant recall if Stephen posted this to the group or emailed me the tuner info. I have an mx-130 which I am told has the same cigarette pack tuner. Pick up an mx-130 for cheap and get a whole preamp along with the same/similar tuner! Brian Stocker >> MR 80 huh? What about the MR 7082, it appears these units have a high user satisfaction? Are they as good IYO as the MR 80? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Mon Oct 22 20:00:05 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 14:00:05 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT (Off Topic) - speaking of tuners... References: <121.5ecbba2.2905b16d@aol.com> Message-ID: <011501c15b23$62098aa0$8f021fac@brianm> Sam, The Mac MR78 and 80 seem to be the tops for the Mc tuners. I thought about purchasing a MR80 at one time, I like the looks and digital display of the MR80, even though those in the know say the 78 is slightly better. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT (Off Topic) - speaking of tuners... > In a message dated 10/22/2001 11:50:00 AM Central Daylight Time, > britri at pacbell.net writes: > > << Hi Sam and Nakers, > > My understanding of the new Mac tuners is that they are a big box with a > cigarette > pack tuner module made in Japan, thus the ease of adding another tuner > module. I > think that the last really good tuner from mac is the the MR 80, according > to Stephen > and others. I cant recall if Stephen posted this to the group or emailed me > the tuner > info. I have an mx-130 which I am told has the same cigarette pack tuner. > Pick up > an mx-130 for cheap and get a whole preamp along with the same/similar tuner! > > Brian Stocker >> > > MR 80 huh? What about the MR 7082, it appears these units have a high user > satisfaction? Are they as good IYO as the MR 80? > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Mon Oct 22 20:33:02 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 11:33:02 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT - Off Topic: If you've got $13K lying around,this isthe Mc... References: <12a.627fd8e.2905afde@aol.com> Message-ID: <3BD4665F.B449B4B7@pacbell.net> Hi Sam, reflect back to recent nak discussions on bi and triwire speaker wiring configurations. The xr290's (a system I will own some day, unless pipe dreams can be had on the cheap, yeah right) they are triwirable so I suspect that that 1 amp for the tweets, 1 amp for the mids and 1 amp for the woofs. I own the mc2600's shown and they are really nice! Brian Stocker SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 10/22/2001 12:08:28 PM Central Daylight Time, > britri at pacbell.net writes: > > << I have heard that these speakers sound excellent and were Roger Russells's > last great > mega- speaker he designed for Mac. I contacted the seller and, > unfortunately, all > original boxes and crates were trashed. For those who live close to this > region, this > auction would be a great investment to own or resell if the reserve does not > go too > high. Selling complete systems on ebay is usually a mistake as individual > items > usually can fetch more. > > Brian Stocker > >> > > Thanks Brian. If I had the cash on-hand, and I'm not what you would call a > Mac fan, I'd purchase this system and sell a few components. Can anyone tell > me what the 3rd amp is used for? I understand the two mono-blocks used to > drive those huge speakers, but what is the other amp being used for? And yes > Brian you're correct - some of those components would gather more if sold > separately. Although, given the current economy, used stereo equipment can > not demand the top dollar as it did just a year ago. It seems like everyone > is selling their equipment for quick cash. Time for me to bump up my > savings... > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Mon Oct 22 20:35:15 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 11:35:15 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT (Off Topic) - speaking of tuners... References: <121.5ecbba2.2905b16d@aol.com> Message-ID: <3BD466E4.4322059B@pacbell.net> I am just going on info from Stephen regarding his favorite Mac tuners. Maybe he will chime in. Brian Stocker SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 10/22/2001 11:50:00 AM Central Daylight Time, > britri at pacbell.net writes: > > << Hi Sam and Nakers, > > My understanding of the new Mac tuners is that they are a big box with a > cigarette > pack tuner module made in Japan, thus the ease of adding another tuner > module. I > think that the last really good tuner from mac is the the MR 80, according > to Stephen > and others. I cant recall if Stephen posted this to the group or emailed me > the tuner > info. I have an mx-130 which I am told has the same cigarette pack tuner. > Pick up > an mx-130 for cheap and get a whole preamp along with the same/similar tuner! > > Brian Stocker >> > > MR 80 huh? What about the MR 7082, it appears these units have a high user > satisfaction? Are they as good IYO as the MR 80? > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Oct 22 20:34:43 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 14:34:43 EDT Subject: [naktalk] OT - Off Topic: If you've got $13K lying around,this isthe Mc... Message-ID: <3e.133df89d.2905c0c3@aol.com> In a message dated 10/22/2001 1:25:51 PM Central Daylight Time, britri at pacbell.net writes: << Hi Sam, reflect back to recent nak discussions on bi and triwire speaker wiring configurations. The xr290's (a system I will own some day, unless pipe dreams can be had on the cheap, yeah right) they are triwirable so I suspect that that 1 amp for the tweets, 1 amp for the mids and 1 amp for the woofs. I own the mc2600's shown and they are really nice! >> Hi Brian, Thank you. I didn't recall that conversation. Given the speakers that gentlemen is running in that particular system, I can understand the amplification setup. Seems a bit over the top, but I would like to listen to that particular Mac system nonetheless. How much has your electric bill increased since running that Mac 2600? (LOL). And, how sensitive are the speakers you're using as I understand that will affect how "hot" your amp runs? Also, do you hear an audible hum or buzz when no signal is present? I understand this is common in large Mac amps. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Oct 22 20:40:41 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 12:40:41 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OT (Off Topic) - speaking of tuners... References: <121.5ecbba2.2905b16d@aol.com> Message-ID: <07e401c15b29$0dccd900$203442cf@sank1> The MR7082 is not quite as "stock Japanese" as the 7083 & beyond, but it is well down that path, and not half as good as the MR80. But, of course, the MR71 tube tuner is yet an echelon above the MR80 & other SS tuners. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT (Off Topic) - speaking of tuners... > In a message dated 10/22/2001 11:50:00 AM Central Daylight Time, > britri at pacbell.net writes: > > << Hi Sam and Nakers, > > My understanding of the new Mac tuners is that they are a big box with a > cigarette > pack tuner module made in Japan, thus the ease of adding another tuner > module. I > think that the last really good tuner from mac is the the MR 80, according > to Stephen > and others. I cant recall if Stephen posted this to the group or emailed me > the tuner > info. I have an mx-130 which I am told has the same cigarette pack tuner. > Pick up > an mx-130 for cheap and get a whole preamp along with the same/similar tuner! > > Brian Stocker >> > > MR 80 huh? What about the MR 7082, it appears these units have a high user > satisfaction? Are they as good IYO as the MR 80? > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Oct 22 20:48:38 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 14:48:38 EDT Subject: [naktalk] OT (Off Topic) - speaking of tuners... Message-ID: <152.2d34ce3.2905c406@aol.com> In a message dated 10/22/2001 1:37:43 PM Central Daylight Time, bk11 at thuntek.net writes: << The MR7082 is not quite as "stock Japanese" as the 7083 & beyond, but it is well down that path, and not half as good as the MR80. But, of course, the MR71 tube tuner is yet an echelon above the MR80 & other SS tuners. >> I can't believe that McIntosh, the legendary American audio company would be using Japanese parts in their equipment. Nothing wrong with using Japanese parts, as I know their tubes are from Russia. But isn't part of their popularity and allure is that "American-made" factor? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Marc at Stager.com Mon Oct 22 21:10:07 2001 From: Marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 15:10:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT (Off Topic) - speaking of tuners... In-Reply-To: <011501c15b23$62098aa0$8f021fac@brianm> References: <121.5ecbba2.2905b16d@aol.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011022145810.00aadec0@mail.verizon.net> Unless you need the killer sensitivity of the 78 or 80, go for the sound. And for that, the two finest tuners ever made were the Marantz FM-10B and the McIntosh MR-71. Coincidence they're both tube tuners? I've owned both, and I currently use the 71, superbly aligned by none other than Mr. Sank. Which sounded better? To me it was a toss-up. I loved the scope on the 10B but the Mac was more trouble free, less finicky. But regardless which tuner you listen to, _GET AN EXPANDER TO COMPENSATE FOR THE COMPRESSION USED BY THE BROADCASTERS!!!_ The difference, tough only a rough approximation of the original dynamics, is incredible. Music sounds utterly lifeless by comparison when the expander is switched off. I use a Phase Linear 1000. DBX also makes some decent units. _____________________________Marc Stager ============================= At 10/22/01, you wrote: >Sam, > >The Mac MR78 and 80 seem to be the tops for the Mc tuners. I thought about >purchasing a MR80 at one time, I like the looks and digital display of the >MR80, even though those in the know say the 78 is slightly better. > >Brian Miller >Michigan ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Oct 22 21:20:39 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 20:20:39 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT (Off Topic) - speaking of tuners... In-Reply-To: <152.2d34ce3.2905c406@aol.com> Message-ID: <001301c15b2e$a29ce8e0$006987d9@a4s1s2> I think you're right, Sam. That's what's wrong with Rolls Royce cars, now with foreign engines, or even the famous Mini car - now manufactured in Germany. Their inherent British-ness, like the McIntosh's inherent American-ism, were an integral part of their charm and attraction. When businesses forget the USP of their products they lose their edge because McIntosh becomes just another run of the mill amp, and a Roll Royce becomes just another luxury car. Indeed, I have heard it argued that Nakamichi did much the same to their cassette decks when they moved the manufacturing out of Japan. Indeed, a Sony Trinitron flat screen TV never had the same attraction when it said "Made in Ireland" on it as it did when it said "Made in Japan" because making TV's is what Japan is supposed to be good at. Likewise, what self-respecting whisky drinker would buy a bottle that said "Made in Japan" on the label, however good it tasted? Gra' I can't believe that McIntosh, the legendary American audio company would be using Japanese parts in their equipment. Nothing wrong with using Japanese parts, as I know their tubes are from Russia. But isn't part of their popularity and allure is that "American-made" factor? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Mon Oct 22 21:57:01 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 15:57:01 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT (Off Topic) - speaking of tuners... References: <001301c15b2e$a29ce8e0$006987d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <005101c15b33$b738d7a0$46f53fd0@oemcomputer> Sam it may be legendary and mac was once American but it is and has been for a long time owned by a Japanese company. Clarion hence the issue of caraudio Warren ps these guys sell used Mac's http://www.esper.com/macaudio/ might be usefull for valuing used stuff > > > I can't believe that McIntosh, the legendary American audio company would be > using Japanese parts in their equipment. Nothing wrong with using Japanese > parts, as I know their tubes are from Russia. But isn't part of their > popularity and allure is that "American-made" factor? > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Mon Oct 22 23:30:28 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 14:30:28 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT - Off Topic: If you've got $13K lying around,thisisthe Mc... References: <3e.133df89d.2905c0c3@aol.com> Message-ID: <3BD48FF8.828DE3B0@pacbell.net> Sam, it is hard to imagine a McIntosh product with an audible hum or buzz, unless there is something wrong with the unit or the AC available in the listening area. I NEVER turn off my system components unless there is a motor constantly running. Given that, I hear silence when no source is activated. My speakers are 8 ohm and the sensitivity is 86 dB (pretty low) thus the need for hi power. The amp has 2 fans which have never come on, and there is very little heat generated even when pushed very hard. Brian Stocker SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 10/22/2001 1:25:51 PM Central Daylight Time, > britri at pacbell.net writes: > > << Hi Sam, reflect back to recent nak discussions on bi and triwire speaker > wiring > configurations. The xr290's (a system I will own some day, unless pipe > dreams can be > had on the cheap, yeah right) they are triwirable so I suspect that that 1 > amp for the > tweets, 1 amp for the mids and 1 amp for the woofs. I own the mc2600's > shown and they > are really nice! >> > > Hi Brian, > > Thank you. I didn't recall that conversation. Given the speakers that > gentlemen is running in that particular system, I can understand the > amplification setup. Seems a bit over the top, but I would like to listen to > that particular Mac system nonetheless. > > How much has your electric bill increased since running that Mac 2600? (LOL). > And, how sensitive are the speakers you're using as I understand that will > affect how "hot" your amp runs? Also, do you hear an audible hum or buzz > when no signal is present? I understand this is common in large Mac amps. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From BJGRADY at aol.com Tue Oct 23 00:16:41 2001 From: BJGRADY at aol.com (BJGRADY at aol.com) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 18:16:41 EDT Subject: [naktalk] OT (Off Topic) - speaking of tuners... Message-ID: If you really need the scope like the 10B, then get a MI-3 to go along w/ the MR-71. Cal John. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Oct 23 06:01:15 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 00:01:15 EDT Subject: [naktalk] OT (Off Topic) - speaking of tuners... Message-ID: <6d.1c36bb4a.2906458b@aol.com> In a message dated 10/22/2001 2:13:01 PM Central Daylight Time, Marc at Stager.com writes: << The difference, tough only a rough approximation of the original dynamics, is incredible. Music sounds utterly lifeless by comparison when the expander is switched off. I use a Phase Linear 1000. DBX also makes some decent units. >> Thanks Marc, now I have a new use for my DBX expander, which has been sitting idle for the past year. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Oct 23 06:02:36 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 00:02:36 EDT Subject: [naktalk] OT (Off Topic) - speaking of tuners... Message-ID: <13f.34e5fe9.290645dc@aol.com> In a message dated 10/22/2001 2:27:25 PM Central Daylight Time, graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk writes: << Indeed, a Sony Trinitron flat screen TV never had the same attraction when it said "Made in Ireland" on it as it did when it said "Made in Japan" because making TV's is what Japan is supposed to be good at. Likewise, what self-respecting whisky drinker would buy a bottle that said "Made in Japan" on the label, however good it tasted? Gra' >> Hey Graham, As always, it's a pleasure to hear from you! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Oct 23 06:03:23 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 00:03:23 EDT Subject: [naktalk] OT (Off Topic) - speaking of tuners... Message-ID: <23.13375c39.2906460b@aol.com> In a message dated 10/22/2001 2:58:21 PM Central Daylight Time, wtremain at bellsouth.net writes: << Sam it may be legendary and mac was once American but it is and has been for a long time owned by a Japanese company. Clarion hence the issue of caraudio Warren >> Clarion owns McIntosh? That was a shocker. And, thank for the link. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Oct 23 06:04:57 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 00:04:57 EDT Subject: [naktalk] OT - Off Topic: If you've got $13K lying around,thisisthe Mc... Message-ID: <48.854956.29064669@aol.com> In a message dated 10/22/2001 4:23:28 PM Central Daylight Time, britri at pacbell.net writes: << Sam, it is hard to imagine a McIntosh product with an audible hum or buzz, unless there is something wrong with the unit or the AC available in the listening area. I NEVER turn off my system components unless there is a motor constantly running. Given that, I hear silence when no source is activated. My speakers are 8 ohm and the sensitivity is 86 dB (pretty low) thus the need for hi power. The amp has 2 fans which have never come on, and there is very little heat generated even when pushed very hard. Brian Stocker >> Thanks Brian, that's good to know. The vintage Mac "classic" tube tuner review I read recently mentioned that that particular amp had an audible hum when no signal was present. Who knows what it could have been. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Tue Oct 23 06:18:36 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 21:18:36 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT - Off Topic: If you've got $13K lying around,thisisthe Mc... References: <48.854956.29064669@aol.com> Message-ID: <3BD4EF9C.34688D9D@earthlink.net> Sam, The source of the hum was either mechanical (power transformer buzzing) or electrical, due to poor shielding, ground loops, DC offset, etc. Jim Volpatti SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 10/22/2001 4:23:28 PM Central Daylight Time, > britri at pacbell.net writes: > > << Sam, > > it is hard to imagine a McIntosh product with an audible hum or buzz, unless > there is > something wrong with the unit or the AC available in the listening area. I > NEVER turn > off my system components unless there is a motor constantly running. Given > that, I > hear silence when no source is activated. My speakers are 8 ohm and the > sensitivity > is 86 dB (pretty low) thus the need for hi power. The amp has 2 fans which > have never > come on, and there is very little heat generated even when pushed very hard. > > Brian Stocker >> > > Thanks Brian, that's good to know. The vintage Mac "classic" tube tuner > review I read recently mentioned that that particular amp had an audible hum > when no signal was present. Who knows what it could have been. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Tue Oct 23 06:21:24 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 21:21:24 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT (Off Topic) - speaking of tuners... References: <6d.1c36bb4a.2906458b@aol.com> Message-ID: <3BD4F044.B16AB7ED@earthlink.net> Hmmmm... I just purchased a used Magnum Dynalab Etude tuner and the dreaded FM signal compression is quite obvious. Which dBX compressor do you own, Sam? Jim Volpatti SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 10/22/2001 2:13:01 PM Central Daylight Time, > Marc at Stager.com writes: > > << The difference, tough only a rough approximation of the original dynamics, > is incredible. Music sounds utterly lifeless by comparison when the > expander is switched off. I use a Phase Linear 1000. DBX also makes some > decent units. >> > > Thanks Marc, now I have a new use for my DBX expander, which has been sitting > idle for the past year. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bigbear69 at netzero.net Tue Oct 23 06:50:27 2001 From: bigbear69 at netzero.net (bigbear69) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 21:50:27 -0700 Subject: Fw: [naktalk] Digital Radio is Here Message-ID: <000701c15b7e$3d5879e0$790e9a40@compaq> Digital Radio just hit Phoenix, Az. Monday, Oct. 15th. Don't know much about it (and I don't care) other than the fact that you can buy some kind of gadget costing around $260. Then for another $10 per month you get the service of commercial free music in your car or at home. I'm one of the lucky ones, getting my sweet FM sound through an old Marantz tuner. ----- Original Message ----- From: John M. Tooley To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: nice pics of yamaha ct7000 I remember years ago when Angus McKenzie raved about this Tuner in Hi-Fi News. My choice would be the silver faceplate. I'm amazed how often these expensive units come up on ebay. I just sold a mint ReVox, Sanktified, B 760 for $650 so people really do desire top flight Tuners, I would not part with my other B 760. But I do wonder how many years are left for FM radio. Digital will probably be here before we know it! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Tue Oct 23 06:47:56 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 21:47:56 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT (Off Topic) - speaking of tuners... References: <6d.1c36bb4a.2906458b@aol.com> <3BD4F044.B16AB7ED@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3BD4F67C.22DC9A68@earthlink.net> errr.. I mean, expander. = ) Jim Volpatti wrote: > > Hmmmm... > > I just purchased a used Magnum Dynalab Etude tuner and the dreaded FM > signal compression is quite obvious. Which dBX compressor do you own, > Sam? > > Jim Volpatti > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > In a message dated 10/22/2001 2:13:01 PM Central Daylight Time, > > Marc at Stager.com writes: > > > > << The difference, tough only a rough approximation of the original dynamics, > > is incredible. Music sounds utterly lifeless by comparison when the > > expander is switched off. I use a Phase Linear 1000. DBX also makes some > > decent units. >> > > > > Thanks Marc, now I have a new use for my DBX expander, which has been sitting > > idle for the past year. > > > > -Sam > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Tue Oct 23 08:27:07 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 02:27:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Neat interview about mfsl cassettes and Lps References: <48.854956.29064669@aol.com> <3BD4EF9C.34688D9D@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <012f01c15b8b$bd9c3f80$1dee3fd0@oemcomputer> Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab Interview I recently heard from Gregg Schnitzer, a man who was present in the early days of MFSL. Presented here, with Gregg's permission, are excerpts from our e-mail correspondences - a feast I think, for those who appreciate MFSL. I took the opportunity to ask Gregg some questions that many of you have e-mailed to me over the last three years. There's plenty of tech stuff here and plenty of non-tech stuff, too. Gregg also provided some great graphics for the site, many of which appear below. Enjoy! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- What a wonderful web site! Thank you for all the hard work. I was Director of Product Development for MFSL from 1980 to 1986 and also Chief Engineer from 1984-1986, a stockholder and Gary's good friend in the early years. I designed the cassette mechanism and process and there is some nifty background in the research which included Rocketdyne and the Jet Propulsion Laboratori