g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2006\2006-1.txt ************************************************************************ From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Sun Jan 1 02:06:51 2006 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 12:06:51 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 with No Sound Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531DC61@mis-exchange.necau.nec.com.au> Hi Karl. Does the deck emmit any louder than normal buzzing sound from either the output jacks or the power supply? I can't help but think that the power supply needs some attention, may not be a big job but I think that there is some components not receiving their proper power levels. Cheers, Tom. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of karl at ibsen.us Sent: Saturday, 31 December 2005 6:04 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 with No Sound Hi, I bought a BX-300 from an eBay seller. When I bought it, I knew that it would need a new idler tire, which is not unusual. However, now that I am trying to play the deck, I'm getting no sound from either the tape-out jacks or the headphone jack. The meters are acting strangely, too. They'll stay at about four lights up from the bottom and periodically jump to the top, then return. I have tried several different tapes with the same result, plus all the tapes play OK on another deck. I have also cleaned the heads and demagnetized them. The heads themselves look to be in very good condition. The deck, too, is in very good cosmetic condition. Does anyone have any suggestions? Karl Ibsen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Jan 1 02:58:01 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 01:58:01 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 34, Issue 55 In-Reply-To: <20051231174652.1625.qmail@web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003b01c60e76$cc107c00$12c287d9@oemcomputer> Wise words, Bala! Happy New Year. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 31 December 2005 17:47 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 34, Issue 55 Hi Graham, They are all awesome decks. But they have quite different sonic signatures which make them stand differenlty on each individual's personal list. The CR-7 is more voiced to compete with DAT, DCC and Compact Discs of the time. The Dragon, which came during the peak of Nakamichi's time, has a more rounder bass, and slighter warmer sound. Combined with the detail, the tight bass and warm sonic signature makes it an excellent deck for analogue fans. I feel the author (I've stopped reading Hi-Fi World although I was a religious reader during the late 90s-to them, Quad and Leak invented hi-fi and Marantz and McIntosh were non-existent) prefers the sonic sound of the CR7. Which makes him favour that deck. I've said this again, and will reiterate again - not all Naks are the same. Naks have been made to suit many types of people, many types of pockets, users.! So, like finding your life partner, you have to find your Nak. Graham found the ZX9, Alex found his Dragon and so on. Whats the best Nak to you? Thats a question only you, and your ears can answer. Wishing you a Happy New Year and Best Wishes Best Regards Bala Nelson wrote: The author of that article is one of the few people I know who actually thinks that the CR7 beats the Dragon on playback. Recording is another matter. Not having a Dragon I can't offer an opinion; however, I did have a very nice CR7 and a Transtec modified ZX9 at the same time for a while. I've kept the ZX9 and sold the CR7. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Paul Dingle > Sent: 31 December 2! 005 05:48 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 34, Issue 55 > > > Yeah, a good ad, but (not to stir the pot) somewhat misleading on > the quote > from the original review (the CR-7 won over the Dragon and ZX-9 in this > one): > > http://www.hi-fiworld.co.uk/hfw/oldeworldehtml/nakamichicr7e.html > > The entire paragraph reads: > > "You see, the Dragon - wonderful, mad creation that it is - > isn't actually > the best thing the legendary Nipponese cassette masters did. It's a big, > bold, lavish technological tour-de-force, that's for sure - but > it was never > their last word in terms of sound quality. That accolade went to the ZX-9, > and then the CR-7E came along with better record/ replay electronics and > sounded even better still." > > All's fair in love and auctions...... ;-) Enjoy! > >! ; Paul Dingle > Unrepentant CR-7 owner (Sanktified) > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Jan 1 04:22:46 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2006 03:22:46 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 34, Issue 55 Message-ID: My always lovely Bala! You wrote on me... Partially is true...but remember that my 1000ZXL was "Alive"...merely for ONE week! & that was very saddly!!!. For all Nak fans...I'm stay say & writting that the "BEST" sound deliver FOR my hears the 1000ZXL deck, be also 100% sure that the lesser expensive 700ZXL was very equally to the 1000ZXL...maybe less "Features"...but reamining with the same lovely & very wide sound...and for the "More" conventional deck ones the Dragon still ON the Top! Sorry but others here in Israel I do not have the opportunity to hear or campare them! I'm speaking of WHAT I personally hear & compare here during the middle 80 were 1000ZXL versus Dragon (Not my gifted one!)...the 1000ZXL was audible far better....money apart of course!!! Have all, of you; and specially you Bala the "NEWER" married gentleman...my best wishes for this 2006 year! Blessing, ALEX! >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 34, Issue 55 >Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 09:46:52 -0800 (PST) > >Hi Graham, > > They are all awesome decks. But they have quite different >sonic signatures which make them stand differenlty on each individual's >personal list. The CR-7 is more voiced to compete with DAT, DCC and Compact >Discs of the time. The Dragon, which came during the peak of Nakamichi's >time, has a more rounder bass, and slighter warmer sound. Combined with the >detail, the tight bass and warm sonic signature makes it an excellent deck >for analogue fans. > > I feel the author (I've stopped reading Hi-Fi World although I was a >religious reader during the late 90s-to them, Quad and Leak invented hi-fi >and Marantz and McIntosh were non-existent) prefers the sonic sound of the >CR7. Which makes him favour that deck. > > I've said this again, and will reiterate again - not all Naks are the >same. Naks have been made to suit many types of people, many types of >pockets, users. So, like finding your life partner, you have to find your >Nak. Graham found the ZX9, Alex found his Dragon and so on. Whats the best >Nak to you? Thats a question only you, and your ears can answer. > > Wishing you a Happy New Year and Best Wishes > > Best Regards > Bala > >Nelson wrote: The author of that article >is one of the few people I know who actually >thinks that the CR7 beats the Dragon on playback. Recording is another >matter. Not having a Dragon I can't offer an opinion; however, I did have >a very nice CR7 and a Transtec modified ZX9 at the same time for a while. >I've kept the ZX9 and sold the CR7. > >Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Paul Dingle > > Sent: 31 December 2005 05:48 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 34, Issue 55 > > > > > > Yeah, a good ad, but (not to stir the pot) somewhat misleading on > > the quote > > from the original review (the CR-7 won over the Dragon and ZX-9 in this > > one): > > > > http://www.hi-fiworld.co.uk/hfw/oldeworldehtml/nakamichicr7e.html > > > > The entire paragraph reads: > > > > "You see, the Dragon - wonderful, mad creation that it is - > > isn't actually > > the best thing the legendary Nipponese cassette masters did. It's a big, > > bold, lavish technological tour-de-force, that's for sure - but > > it was never > > their last word in terms of sound quality. That accolade went to the >ZX-9, > > and then the CR-7E came along with better record/ replay electronics and > > sounded even better still." > > > > All's fair in love and auctions...... ;-) Enjoy! > > > > Paul Dingle > > Unrepentant CR-7 owner (Sanktified) > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > >--------------------------------- > Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From katcadillac321 at hotmail.com Sun Jan 1 03:41:57 2006 From: katcadillac321 at hotmail.com (felic dans) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 21:41:57 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX Chrome Tapes for Nakamichi Decks spectaculuar!! Message-ID: Hello Nak freaks, Anyone have any experience with old-school Akai GX Chrome tapes with Nakamichi Decks ? Reliability? Sound quality? construction? If available, how do they compare to the TDK SA-X or MAXELL XLII-S? From k at ibsen.us Sun Jan 1 17:35:01 2006 From: k at ibsen.us (k) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 08:35:01 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] RE: BX-300 with No Sound References: <200601011101.k01B1Bdw019237@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <001c01c60ef1$c58ff150$0500a8c0@Voyager> Tom, Yes, I did notice a buzzing noise through the headphones. So the problem could be the power supply? I'll take a look to see if there is anything visible. I'd sure appreciate any suggestions about how to analyze it. I do have a service manual for the deck. I don't have a lot of skill in this area, but I have replaced PCB components, when I know which needs replacement. Thank you very much for the help. Karl ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 3:01 AM Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 35, Issue 1 > Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to > naktalk at naks.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > naktalk-request at naks.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > naktalk-owner at naks.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." > > > Naktalk digest mailing list > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. RE: Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 34, Issue 55 (Nelson) > 2. That Scottish 481z update and a paen to even a basic Nak > (earthrite at gn.apc.org) > 3. RE: Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 34, Issue 55 (Bala Ganesh Chandra) > 4. Re: That Scottish 481z update and a paen to even a basic Nak > (Antoine Desch?nes) > 5. Re: That Scottish 481z update and a paen to even a basic Nak > (Adrian Finn) > 6. Re: Sony UX-S (Bob Petrovich) > 7. RE: BX-300 with No Sound (Thomas Siomopoulos) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:09:25 -0000 > From: "Nelson" > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 34, Issue 55 > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Message-ID: <00dc01c60dfa$a99a88e0$ebc887d9 at oemcomputer> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > The author of that article is one of the few people I know who actually > thinks that the CR7 beats the Dragon on playback. Recording is another > matter. Not having a Dragon I can't offer an opinion; however, I did > have > a very nice CR7 and a Transtec modified ZX9 at the same time for a while. > I've kept the ZX9 and sold the CR7. > > Gra' > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >> Behalf Of Paul Dingle >> Sent: 31 December 2005 05:48 >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 34, Issue 55 >> >> >> Yeah, a good ad, but (not to stir the pot) somewhat misleading on >> the quote >> from the original review (the CR-7 won over the Dragon and ZX-9 in this >> one): >> >> http://www.hi-fiworld.co.uk/hfw/oldeworldehtml/nakamichicr7e.html >> >> The entire paragraph reads: >> >> "You see, the Dragon - wonderful, mad creation that it is - >> isn't actually >> the best thing the legendary Nipponese cassette masters did. It's a big, >> bold, lavish technological tour-de-force, that's for sure - but >> it was never >> their last word in terms of sound quality. That accolade went to the >> ZX-9, >> and then the CR-7E came along with better record/ replay electronics and >> sounded even better still." >> >> All's fair in love and auctions...... ;-) Enjoy! >> >> Paul Dingle >> Unrepentant CR-7 owner (Sanktified) >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:57:52 +0000 > From: earthrite at gn.apc.org > Subject: [naktalk] That Scottish 481z update and a paen to even a > basic Nak > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > hello again Nakkers > > Well B & W returned my long neglected deck that i rescued. they had > done an amaazing job well beyond what they charged for they had > replaced the chassis case entirely with a spare one from some other > (better cared for) machine. > > this is in addition to the 3 motors, 3 belts, various caps etc > etc,spindle replace eject mods etc......... and recalibrated it > ....... cleaned the sockets and probably anything they could find to > do....... > > It behaves faultlessly BUT........ they forgot ( I assume because of > a desire to return it and clear the workshop for Christmass ) to do > whatever it is that causes the stop button to click off at the end of > a tape ....... whether playing, recording or rewinding ....... such a > small thing but also a crucial one ..... I assume it will have to be > returned ( at some expense which I feel they should bear) to them > UNLESS you know differrent. > > Everything about their work shows their professionalism and so this > is a shame..... I have asked them if their is some tiny tweak I can > do to trigger the switch off button clicking off. The play light > goes off and one can eject but if one slots in another tape then it > starts playing > immediately one closes the door. > > However I am sure this was an oversight rather than sloppy work so I > am relaxed about it but look forward to hearing from them on their > return to work after new Year is by! > > Any suggestions welcome ........ > > The sound is absurd ........ even 'normal' cassettes from 20 years > ago from the Sony semi pro portable from 1974 sound incredible > ............... and any posh tapes I have say of live recordings are > in a wholly absurd league of fun and as predicted produce a big grin > and a sense of stunned silence ...... what is amazing is that the > info got onto the tapes but there was no way with non Nak transports > of getting the info off and into ones speakers ...... or more > importantly ones ears! > > I dont understand how the info can be got on but not off again but Im > sure glad its there to be got off now I have this effectively new > machine ...... it even smells new when it warms up......... > > If anyone out there reads this and wants to buy a Nak dont worry too > much about getting the bees knee's machines if you are mostly > interested in replaying tapes. This ancient 481z does equal CD in > pleasure and quality so any machine in really good condition will > probably equal it. Yes there are choice machines to head for but > actually a good condition Nak will blow away CD and vinyl given > decent source material and stun you into silence. A joyful and > excellent product, well made and dedicated to extracting info from > cassettes and posting it to your endorfuns > > time to go the clockwork generator is unwinding and broadband moves away! > > > Peace of the season, good will to all beings. > > Ian R > Scotland > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20051231/bcf3641e/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 09:46:52 -0800 (PST) > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 34, Issue 55 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <20051231174652.1625.qmail at web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi Graham, > > They are all awesome decks. But they have quite different > sonic signatures which make them stand differenlty on each individual's > personal list. The CR-7 is more voiced to compete with DAT, DCC and > Compact Discs of the time. The Dragon, which came during the peak of > Nakamichi's time, has a more rounder bass, and slighter warmer sound. > Combined with the detail, the tight bass and warm sonic signature makes it > an excellent deck for analogue fans. > > I feel the author (I've stopped reading Hi-Fi World although I was a > religious reader during the late 90s-to them, Quad and Leak invented hi-fi > and Marantz and McIntosh were non-existent) prefers the sonic sound of the > CR7. Which makes him favour that deck. > > I've said this again, and will reiterate again - not all Naks are the > same. Naks have been made to suit many types of people, many types of > pockets, users. So, like finding your life partner, you have to find your > Nak. Graham found the ZX9, Alex found his Dragon and so on. Whats the best > Nak to you? Thats a question only you, and your ears can answer. > > Wishing you a Happy New Year and Best Wishes > > Best Regards > Bala > > Nelson wrote: The author of that article > is one of the few people I know who actually > thinks that the CR7 beats the Dragon on playback. Recording is another > matter. Not having a Dragon I can't offer an opinion; however, I did > have > a very nice CR7 and a Transtec modified ZX9 at the same time for a while. > I've kept the ZX9 and sold the CR7. > > Gra' > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >> Behalf Of Paul Dingle >> Sent: 31 December 2005 05:48 >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 34, Issue 55 >> >> >> Yeah, a good ad, but (not to stir the pot) somewhat misleading on >> the quote >> from the original review (the CR-7 won over the Dragon and ZX-9 in this >> one): >> >> http://www.hi-fiworld.co.uk/hfw/oldeworldehtml/nakamichicr7e.html >> >> The entire paragraph reads: >> >> "You see, the Dragon - wonderful, mad creation that it is - >> isn't actually >> the best thing the legendary Nipponese cassette masters did. It's a big, >> bold, lavish technological tour-de-force, that's for sure - but >> it was never >> their last word in terms of sound quality. That accolade went to the >> ZX-9, >> and then the CR-7E came along with better record/ replay electronics and >> sounded even better still." >> >> All's fair in love and auctions...... ;-) Enjoy! >> >> Paul Dingle >> Unrepentant CR-7 owner (Sanktified) >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20051231/51656a67/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:13:32 -0500 > From: Antoine Desch?nes > Subject: Re: [naktalk] That Scottish 481z update and a paen to even a > basic Nak > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <43B6BC3C.9020303 at yahoo.ca> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > If there's nothing special for stopping, it's something that has to do > with the counter circuits that stops the deck. > > earthrite at gn.apc.org a écrit : >> hello again Nakkers >> >> Well B & W returned my long neglected deck that i rescued. they had >> done an amaazing job well beyond what they charged for they had >> replaced the chassis case entirely with a spare one from some other >> (better cared for) machine. >> >> this is in addition to the 3 motors, 3 belts, various caps etc >> etc,spindle replace eject mods etc......... and recalibrated it >> ....... cleaned the sockets and probably anything they could find to >> do....... >> >> It behaves faultlessly BUT........ they forgot ( I assume because of a >> desire to return it and clear the workshop for Christmass ) to do >> whatever it is that causes the stop button to click off at the end of >> a tape ....... whether playing, recording or rewinding ....... such a >> small thing but also a crucial one ..... I assume it will have to be >> returned ( at some expense which I feel they should bear) to them >> UNLESS you know differrent. >> >> Everything about their work shows their professionalism and so this is >> a shame..... I have asked them if their is some tiny tweak I can do to >> trigger the switch off button clicking off. The play light goes off >> and one can eject but if one slots in another tape then it starts >> playing immediately >> one closes the door. >> >> However I am sure this was an oversight rather than sloppy work so I >> am relaxed about it but look forward to hearing from them on their >> return to work after new Year is by! >> >> Any suggestions welcome ........ >> >> The sound is absurd ........ even 'normal' cassettes from 20 years ago >> from the Sony semi pro portable from 1974 sound incredible >> ............... and any posh tapes I have say of live recordings are >> in a wholly absurd league of fun and as predicted produce a big grin >> and a sense of stunned silence ...... what is amazing is that the info >> got onto the tapes but there was no way with non Nak transports of >> getting the info off and into ones speakers ...... or more importantly >> ones ears! >> >> I dont understand how the info can be got on but not off again but Im >> sure glad its there to be got off now I have this effectively new >> machine ...... it even smells new when it warms up......... >> >> If anyone out there reads this and wants to buy a Nak dont worry too >> much about getting the bees knee's machines if you are mostly >> interested in replaying tapes. This ancient 481z does equal CD in >> pleasure and quality so any machine in really good condition will >> probably equal it. Yes there are choice machines to head for but >> actually a good condition Nak will blow away CD and vinyl given decent >> source material and stun you into silence. A joyful and excellent >> product, well made and dedicated to extracting info from cassettes and >> posting it to your endorfuns >> >> time to go the clockwork generator is unwinding and broadband moves >> away! >> >> >> Peace of the season, good will to all beings. >> >> Ian R >> Scotland >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 17:28:56 +0000 > From: Adrian Finn > Subject: Re: [naktalk] That Scottish 481z update and a paen to even a > basic Nak > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > hi ian.. > > glad you're happy with your machine.. I have a 680 with very little > use and I too am amazed at what older tape recordings can sound like.. > > It would be helpful to post how much your service / repair cost at > B&W for us UK dwellers. I've been doing the necessities with parts > from ESL labs but I'm tempted to just send it down to B&W.. > > > regards > > adrian > > On 31 Dec 2005, at 16:57, earthrite at gn.apc.org wrote: > >> hello again Nakkers >> >> Well B & W returned my long neglected deck that i rescued. they had >> done an amaazing job well beyond what they charged for they had >> replaced the chassis case entirely with a spare one from some other >> (better cared for) machine. >> >> this is in addition to the 3 motors, 3 belts, various caps etc >> etc,spindle replace eject mods etc......... and recalibrated >> it ....... cleaned the sockets and probably anything they could >> find to do....... >> >> It behaves faultlessly BUT........ they forgot ( I assume because >> of a desire to return it and clear the workshop for Christmass ) to >> do whatever it is that causes the stop button to click off at the >> end of a tape ....... whether playing, recording or >> rewinding ....... such a small thing but also a crucial one ..... I >> assume it will have to be returned ( at some expense which I feel >> they should bear) to them UNLESS you know differrent. >> >> Everything about their work shows their professionalism and so this >> is a shame..... I have asked them if their is some tiny tweak I can >> do to trigger the switch off button clicking off. The play light >> goes off and one can eject but if one slots in another tape then it >> starts playing >> immediately one closes the door. >> >> However I am sure this was an oversight rather than sloppy work so >> I am relaxed about it but look forward to hearing from them on >> their return to work after new Year is by! >> >> Any suggestions welcome ........ >> >> The sound is absurd ........ even 'normal' cassettes from 20 years >> ago from the Sony semi pro portable from 1974 sound >> incredible ............... and any posh tapes I have say of live >> recordings are in a wholly absurd league of fun and as predicted >> produce a big grin and a sense of stunned silence ...... what is >> amazing is that the info got onto the tapes but there was no way >> with non Nak transports of getting the info off and into ones >> speakers ...... or more importantly ones ears! >> >> I dont understand how the info can be got on but not off again but >> Im sure glad its there to be got off now I have this effectively >> new machine ...... it even smells new when it warms up......... >> >> If anyone out there reads this and wants to buy a Nak dont worry >> too much about getting the bees knee's machines if you are mostly >> interested in replaying tapes. This ancient 481z does equal CD in >> pleasure and quality so any machine in really good condition will >> probably equal it. Yes there are choice machines to head for but >> actually a good condition Nak will blow away CD and vinyl given >> decent source material and stun you into silence. A joyful and >> excellent product, well made and dedicated to extracting info from >> cassettes and posting it to your endorfuns >> >> time to go the clockwork generator is unwinding and broadband >> moves away! >> >> >> Peace of the season, good will to all beings. >> >> Ian R >> Scotland >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >> naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:43:57 -0800 (PST) > From: Bob Petrovich > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Sony UX-S > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: <20051231204357.41277.qmail at web51308.mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > I have used Sony UX-S made in the 1990s and it was very good tape. I would > place it next to TDK SA-X.. In my experience, it was better than Maxel > XLII-S. > > I have not used this new one. Maybe it is the same tape formulation, maybe > not. Anyway, the price seems to be very good. > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20051231/a35f687e/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 12:06:51 +1100 > From: Thomas Siomopoulos > Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX-300 with No Sound > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Message-ID: > <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531DC61 at mis-exchange.necau.nec.com.au> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi Karl. > > Does the deck emmit any louder than normal buzzing sound from > either > the output jacks or the power supply? I can't help but think that the > power > supply needs some attention, may not be a big job but I think that there > is > some components not receiving their proper power levels. > > Cheers, > > Tom. > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of karl at ibsen.us > Sent: Saturday, 31 December 2005 6:04 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 with No Sound > > > Hi, > > I bought a BX-300 from an eBay seller. When I bought it, I knew that it > would need a new idler tire, which is not unusual. > > However, now that I am trying to play the deck, I'm getting no sound from > either the tape-out jacks or the headphone jack. The meters are acting > strangely, too. They'll stay at about four lights up from the bottom and > periodically jump to the top, then return. > > I have tried several different tapes with the same result, plus all the > tapes play OK on another deck. I have also cleaned the heads and > demagnetized them. The heads themselves look to be in very good condition. > The deck, too, is in very good cosmetic condition. > > Does anyone have any suggestions? > > > Karl Ibsen > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20060101/e253798a/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 35, Issue 1 > ************************************** > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.9/217 - Release Date: 12/30/2005 > From henk.schenk at nl.ey.com Sun Jan 1 19:04:38 2006 From: henk.schenk at nl.ey.com (Henk Schenk) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 19:04:38 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Reply on Naktalk: That Scottish 481z update and a paen to even a basic Nak Message-ID: All Nakkers: Best wishes for 2006 and happy listening. Hello Ian, Congratulaqtions with the Nak481z. You can enjoy the music recorded on cassettes again. The phenomenon described is familiar to me. I own a few 480's and a 482, but not a 481 nor a Z version. But the basic mechanism and logic in all these machines is the same. The logic is based on the atypical 'click in type' of function buttons, although the logic is really suitable for touch control buttons (not clicking in type). The purpose of the special click in type of buttons lies in the featured timer functions. Note that there is allways a seperate button for timer function on different machines which has touch control buttons. The 480 series can dispose of the need for a seperate timer switch because the function can be clicked in. When powered up the choosen function will automatically start ! This feature plays up in the logic though, and two strange downsides appear from this. One is the awkward symbiosis with the orignal (cord type) remote control unit. The other one is the lack of click out when a function is automatically stopped by auto shut off. To be brief (?); Last time I used the 480 the same happened as you've described. I don't think this is a crucial point, because the mechanism is completely shut off !! And this is important. But only the button remains in position until one of the other buttons is pushed. Only when recording this might pose the danger of wiping a tape after recording a tape through to the very end. With play back I really like this , because at the end of the tape I turn over the tape, and voila, I starts playing immediately. Which is what I want anyway, keep the sound going. I'm not close to my machines at this point in time otherwise I would test all of the 480 series in my collection. I know at least one or some of mine work this way and I believe this is intended (as a by product by the chosen solution of the timer feature). My cent worth from Holland. kind regards, Henk Schenk > On 31 Dec 2005, at 16:57, earthrite at gn.apc.org wrote: > hello again Nakkers > > Well B & W returned my long neglected deck that i rescued........ >...... they forgot ( I assume because > of a desire to return it and clear the workshop for Christmass ) to > do whatever it is that causes the stop button to click off at the > end of a tape ....... whether playing, recording or > rewinding ....... such a small thing but also a crucial one ..... I > assume it will have to be returned ( at some expense which I feel > they should bear) to them UNLESS you know differrent. =================================================================== Op dit e-mailbericht en eventuele bijbehorende attachments is een disclaimer van toepassing, die is opgenomen op onze website: http://www.ey.nl/e-maildisclaimer. 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URL: From timbarrett at cox.net Sun Jan 1 20:25:08 2006 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2006 14:25:08 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] That Scottish 481z update and a paen to even a basic Nak In-Reply-To: <43B6BC3C.9020303@yahoo.ca> References: <43B6BC3C.9020303@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <43B82C94.7040101@cox.net> This is the way the 480 series works. The play/rew/ff buttons latch in place when pushed and don't return until you push another button, even when the tape reaches either end and the machine automatically stops. I have two 480's and a 481 which exhibit the same behavior as your 481Z. Tim Antoine Deschênes wrote: > If there's nothing special for stopping, it's something that has to do > with the counter circuits that stops the deck. > > earthrite at gn.apc.org a écrit : > >> hello again Nakkers >> >> Well B & W returned my long neglected deck that i rescued. they had >> done an amaazing job well beyond what they charged for they had >> replaced the chassis case entirely with a spare one from some other >> (better cared for) machine. >> >> this is in addition to the 3 motors, 3 belts, various caps etc >> etc,spindle replace eject mods etc......... and recalibrated it >> ....... cleaned the sockets and probably anything they could find to >> do....... >> >> It behaves faultlessly BUT........ they forgot ( I assume because of >> a desire to return it and clear the workshop for Christmass ) to do >> whatever it is that causes the stop button to click off at the end of >> a tape ....... whether playing, recording or rewinding ....... such a >> small thing but also a crucial one ..... I assume it will have to be >> returned ( at some expense which I feel they should bear) to them >> UNLESS you know differrent. >> >> Everything about their work shows their professionalism and so this >> is a shame..... I have asked them if their is some tiny tweak I can >> do to trigger the switch off button clicking off. The play light >> goes off and one can eject but if one slots in another tape then it >> starts playing >> immediately one closes the door. >> >> However I am sure this was an oversight rather than sloppy work so I >> am relaxed about it but look forward to hearing from them on their >> return to work after new Year is by! >> >> Any suggestions welcome ........ >> >> The sound is absurd ........ even 'normal' cassettes from 20 years >> ago from the Sony semi pro portable from 1974 sound incredible >> ............... and any posh tapes I have say of live recordings are >> in a wholly absurd league of fun and as predicted produce a big grin >> and a sense of stunned silence ...... what is amazing is that the >> info got onto the tapes but there was no way with non Nak transports >> of getting the info off and into ones speakers ...... or more >> importantly ones ears! >> >> I dont understand how the info can be got on but not off again but Im >> sure glad its there to be got off now I have this effectively new >> machine ...... it even smells new when it warms up......... >> >> If anyone out there reads this and wants to buy a Nak dont worry too >> much about getting the bees knee's machines if you are mostly >> interested in replaying tapes. This ancient 481z does equal CD in >> pleasure and quality so any machine in really good condition will >> probably equal it. Yes there are choice machines to head for but >> actually a good condition Nak will blow away CD and vinyl given >> decent source material and stun you into silence. A joyful and >> excellent product, well made and dedicated to extracting info from >> cassettes and posting it to your endorfuns >> >> time to go the clockwork generator is unwinding and broadband moves >> away! >> >> >> Peace of the season, good will to all beings. >> >> Ian R >> Scotland >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From timbarrett at cox.net Sun Jan 1 20:32:37 2006 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2006 14:32:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] just doing my part to keep analog alive Message-ID: <43B82E55.1090609@cox.net> Fed my daughter's music interests with a Technics turntable and a Nak BX-300 several years back and she has continued to buy vinyl, along with CD's, and actively promotes analog recording to her friends. Most of them think she's nuts, but she doesn't care. She's moved to Chicago since and has located a great used record store there. I guess I'll have to leave my ZX-7 to her. Tim From kjbleus at charter.net Mon Jan 2 02:57:33 2006 From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 19:57:33 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalk New Years Greetings!!! Message-ID: <005901c60f3f$e6b5d3b0$6501a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6> Wouter, and friendly NakTalkers, Its been a busy year for me, and I contributed little to NakTalk during 2005. Nevertheless.... I wanted to drop a short note into the egroup, and wish all of my good old NakTalk buddies worldwide ( and the new generation too) best wishes for a healthy and prosperous new year. Cheers!!! K.J. Bleus Madison, Wisc USA http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bleusnakzx92004.html --- forwarded message --- --- In NakChatt at yahoogroups.com, "MrBleus" wrote: Marc, you're correct..... Our Nak decks are priceless, expecially when we have our own particular decks performing exactly as we want them to do for us. For you and me, its the ZX-9; for others among us, its a variety of excellent Nakamichi cassette decks. Each model has its special capabilities, and to each of us, his own expectations of what those capabilities can provide. I'd like to extend a best wishes to all NakChatters for a healthy and prosperous year 2006! Regards, Bleus de Nakker Madison, Wisc USA --- In NakChatt at yahoogroups.com, "Marc" wrote: > > By golly, do I feel rich sometimes. The thing is, I don't plan on > selling my ZX-9 :-) > > Would you urge me to trade it for a CR-7? Some say CR-7 is the non plus ultra of Nakamichi... I sometimes have the feeling the ZX-9 is even rarer, but I'm not sure about that. I'm sure you will be K.J... > > Happy New Year to all respected Nakfans here! > > Marc > --- end forwarded message --- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net Mon Jan 2 00:15:08 2006 From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 00:15:08 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Reply on Naktalk: That Scottish 481z update and a paen toeven a basic Nak References: Message-ID: <001601c60f29$359152f0$53f66391@p4c800e> Hi All, also Best wishes for 2006 from another Dutch Nak fan. It works exactly as Henk described in his mail. The button comes free as soon as another button is pushed but the mechanism is in a free state. So nothing is wrong with that. It works that way on a N480 and a N482 and also on the N481 (z). Regards Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: Henk Schenk To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 7:04 PM Subject: [naktalk] Reply on Naktalk: That Scottish 481z update and a paen toeven a basic Nak All Nakkers: Best wishes for 2006 and happy listening. Hello Ian, Congratulaqtions with the Nak481z. You can enjoy the music recorded on cassettes again. The phenomenon described is familiar to me. I own a few 480's and a 482, but not a 481 nor a Z version. But the basic mechanism and logic in all these machines is the same. The logic is based on the atypical 'click in type' of function buttons, although the logic is really suitable for touch control buttons (not clicking in type). The purpose of the special click in type of buttons lies in the featured timer functions. Note that there is allways a seperate button for timer function on different machines which has touch control buttons. The 480 series can dispose of the need for a seperate timer switch because the function can be clicked in. When powered up the choosen function will automatically start ! This feature plays up in the logic though, and two strange downsides appear from this. One is the awkward symbiosis with the orignal (cord type) remote control unit. The other one is the lack of click out when a function is automatically stopped by auto shut off. To be brief (?); Last time I used the 480 the same happened as you've described. I don't think this is a crucial point, because the mechanism is completely shut off !! And this is important. But only the button remains in position until one of the other buttons is pushed. Only when recording this might pose the danger of wiping a tape after recording a tape through to the very end. With play back I really like this , because at the end of the tape I turn over the tape, and voila, I starts playing immediately. Which is what I want anyway, keep the sound going. I'm not close to my machines at this point in time otherwise I would test all of the 480 series in my collection. I know at least one or some of mine work this way and I believe this is intended (as a by product by the chosen solution of the timer feature). My cent worth from Holland. kind regards, Henk Schenk > On 31 Dec 2005, at 16:57, earthrite at gn.apc.org wrote: > hello again Nakkers > > Well B & W returned my long neglected deck that i rescued........ >...... they forgot ( I assume because > of a desire to return it and clear the workshop for Christmass ) to > do whatever it is that causes the stop button to click off at the > end of a tape ....... whether playing, recording or > rewinding ....... such a small thing but also a crucial one ..... I > assume it will have to be returned ( at some expense which I feel > they should bear) to them UNLESS you know differrent. =================================================================== Op dit e-mailbericht en eventuele bijbehorende attachments is een disclaimer van toepassing, die is opgenomen op onze website: http://www.ey.nl/e-maildisclaimer. 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URL: From earthrite at gn.apc.org Mon Jan 2 01:42:43 2006 From: earthrite at gn.apc.org (earthrite at gn.apc.org) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 00:42:43 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Scottish 481z - B&W and that end of tape failure to clik off. Message-ID: Hi Antoine Thanks for that reply ...... and your good English language efforts. However in this quote from you below you are somewhat economic with the details.... :-) Do I understand that your view is that a to fix the end of tape switch off problem circuit is going to need attention to sort the problem? I had hoped there was a tension adjuster of some sort .......a mechanical rather than electronic solution! That a Nak klutz like this person could do I loved the threads about NAK decks tailored towards certain sound signatures CR7 to DAT and CD, Dragon to something else...... I wonder if I'll ever find a ZX9 ........ I think thats the sound I would go for ........ since getting the deck back the cd player is in retirement. Hi Adrian regarding the costs......... I shared these before Christmass, the cost including transport was £190 including VAT ...... but B&W will give you a ball park figure just phoning up and then a precise price after evaluating the machine on the bench ....... I was asked to authorise the actual cost before they went ahead so one always knows where on is with them and the costs I hope this helps Peace Ian >From: Antoine Deschines >Subject: Re: [naktalk] That Scottish 481z update >and a paen to even a basic Nak >If there's nothing special for stopping, it's something that has to do > with the counter circuits that stops the deck. From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Mon Jan 2 02:00:47 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2006 19:00:47 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Whats better than two Nak.Rx 303's? Message-ID: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5846493691&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&rd=1 Whats better than two Nak RX303's?... Easy!, THREE Rx-303's! What to do with all these 303's!?!!. Some problem huh? Looking forward to the arrival of this one i just one about 30 minutes ago.Hope it hasnt been used to death, but i guess it might have been by now. -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From daveharris at clear.net.nz Mon Jan 2 02:44:39 2006 From: daveharris at clear.net.nz (Dave Harris) Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 14:44:39 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] Blank Chrome Tapes in New Zealand References: <200512310011.jBV0Bs71018452@zxe.naks.com> <000c01c60dcd$ba415b60$8902a8c0@warbird> Message-ID: <004501c60f3e$1d94ae30$fd5d65da@riccarton.school.nz> Hi Nakkers Does anyone have a good source of chrome and or metal tapes here at the bottom of the world? Just before christmas I spotted TEAC brand hdx 1 chrome tapes at larger "The Warehouse" stores 2.99 for c60 and 3.99 for c90. I picked up one to try . The shells aren't wonderful and I had to play the tape right through both sides to stop it clacking in the shell. have only had a chace to use it in my Nak CR-1 performance was OK HF a little less sensitive than TDK SA. anyone elese tried these tapes..have an opinion. Cheers Dave From graker at woods-and-waters.com Mon Jan 2 03:29:23 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2006 20:29:23 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] just doing my part to keep analog alive In-Reply-To: <43B82E55.1090609@cox.net> References: <43B82E55.1090609@cox.net> Message-ID: <43B89003.2000804@woods-and-waters.com> Good job, Ted! Tim Barrett wrote: > Fed my daughter's music interests with a Technics turntable and a Nak > BX-300 several years back and she has continued to buy vinyl, along with > CD's, and actively promotes analog recording to her friends. Most of > them think she's nuts, but she doesn't care. She's moved to Chicago > since and has located a great used record store there. I guess I'll > have to leave my ZX-7 to her. I hereby award you the Croix d'Analogue with Microphone Clusters. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From dubsyndrome at hotmail.com Mon Jan 2 03:36:51 2006 From: dubsyndrome at hotmail.com (Dr. Dub) Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 02:36:51 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs Message-ID: Well, Just read the hi-fi world article on the cr-7 as listed, and it struck me to read that the author thinks Nak only came up up with auto-cal. on the cr-7. So he's probably never been exposed to the 700ZXE/ZXL or 1000ZXL then... There was a time when I so crazy I owned 18 different Naks; back in the days ('99) a friend and I performed a thorough (blind) test using a Michell Orbe turntable w/ SME series V tonearm (the 'nak' of turntables;-), Accuphase amp and Sonus Faber speakers, using Straightwire interconnects and speakercables. And then, the incredible all-star set-up: CR-7e, Dragon, ZX-9, 700ZXL, 1000ZXL. I found the differences between the decks to be a matter of taste rather than a difference in quality. Next to a direct rec/playback test, we also tested the recorded tapes in all the other decks. The craziest thing was the outcome: Being analog lovers, we both came up with the same result! Where the Dragon and CR-7 (with rec. cal. unit slightly modified by TvdH of Transtec) were more the analytical and clinical sounding decks, the ZXLs and foremost the ZX-9 delivered far more natural and enjoyable sound, recording on the TDK MA-XG tapes we used. With these 3 decks, one is constantly tempted to leave the monitor on 'tape' when recording from vinyl. And I just didn't have that with either the CR-7 or the Dragon. The ZX-9 is for my ears definitely the best recording deck of them all. In terms of playback, the 1000ZXL and the ZX-9, although both the CR-7 and Dragon also sounded a lot 'warmer' on tapes recorded on the ZX-9 and ZXL machines. Now I'm writing this, regret starts to come up thinking of the fact that in the end, I sold them all except the ZX-9. OK, I had to, due to $ trouble, but still... So in the end, my personal top 5: ZX-9 1000ZXL 700ZXL CR-7 Dragon But okay, it's been almost 7 years; I really hope to (at some point) get back to the position where I can rerun this Nak-lovers 'wet dream' test; maybe a nice feature on a future Nak-reunion or something;-) All the best wishes for the new year everybody; best - dr dub From dubsyndrome at hotmail.com Mon Jan 2 03:38:36 2006 From: dubsyndrome at hotmail.com (Dr. Dub) Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 02:38:36 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 670zx AAA problem Message-ID: I picked up a cosmetically fine looking 670zx, but when starting tape cal., there is no sign of the AAA wanting to start. The 'play'-light keeps on flashing, thus making it impossible to finish cal. Anybody know if this is serious? Thx for yr input From dubsyndrome at hotmail.com Mon Jan 2 03:41:06 2006 From: dubsyndrome at hotmail.com (Dr. Dub) Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 02:41:06 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-5? 1000ZXL L LTD? Message-ID: When browsing through the site, I saw Wouter's posting, thanking somebody for sending a pic of a ZX-5 and a 1000ZXL L LTD!? Or was it just a typo? Now I'm really curious;-) From katcadillac321 at hotmail.com Mon Jan 2 07:29:51 2006 From: katcadillac321 at hotmail.com (felic dans) Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 01:29:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalk New Years Greetings!!! In-Reply-To: <005901c60f3f$e6b5d3b0$6501a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6> Message-ID: Greetings, New Year's questions for ya. How do you feel about Akai GX Chrome Cassettes with Naks and their general reliability, sonic characteristics, etc.? Happy New Year, Felix >From: "KJ Bleus" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: >Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalk New Years Greetings!!! >Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 19:57:33 -0600 > >Wouter, and friendly NakTalkers, > >Its been a busy year for me, and I contributed little to NakTalk during >2005. > >Nevertheless.... > >I wanted to drop a short note into the egroup, and wish all of my good old >NakTalk buddies >worldwide ( and the new generation too) best wishes for a healthy and >prosperous new year. > >Cheers!!! > >K.J. Bleus >Madison, Wisc USA > >http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bleusnakzx92004.html > > > >--- forwarded message --- > >--- In NakChatt at yahoogroups.com, "MrBleus" wrote: > >Marc, you're correct..... > >Our Nak decks are priceless, expecially when we have our own particular >decks performing exactly as we want them to do for us. For you and me, >its the ZX-9; for others among us, its a variety of excellent Nakamichi >cassette decks. Each model has its special capabilities, and to each >of us, his own expectations of what those capabilities can provide. > >I'd like to extend a best wishes to all NakChatters for a healthy and >prosperous year 2006! > >Regards, > >Bleus de Nakker >Madison, Wisc USA > > > >--- In NakChatt at yahoogroups.com, "Marc" wrote: > > > > By golly, do I feel rich sometimes. The thing is, I don't plan on > > selling my ZX-9 :-) > > > > Would you urge me to trade it for a CR-7? Some say CR-7 is the non >plus ultra of Nakamichi... I sometimes have the feeling the ZX-9 is >even rarer, but I'm not sure about that. I'm sure you will be K.J... > > > > Happy New Year to all respected Nakfans here! > > > > Marc > > > >--- end forwarded message --- >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From sandorpistike at hotmail.com Mon Jan 2 09:02:15 2006 From: sandorpistike at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?S=E1ndor_Istv=E1n?=) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 09:02:15 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: [NakChatt] Re: Nak ZX-9 (Another Beauty!!!) References: Message-ID: Hello Alex, I wish you a Happy New Year for 2006, and maybe later for 2008 also... :-) (You were probably excited because of the last day of 2005). On the other hand, please let me know if 1968 for the Nak TriTracer 1000/II is a joke only, or your remembrance makes joke of you... Because (as far as I know) the TT1000 series were produced from 1973 (my is one of the oldest), and the TT1000/II was produced from 1978 until 1980 (look at Wouter's site). However, if ever I will be as old as you are now, I may be happy enough to hear music with my already partially deaf ears. Sorry for my awkward questions. Kind regards to you all. István ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cozac" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 4:52 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: [NakChatt] Re: Nak ZX-9 (Another Beauty!!!) > Hi Dave! > > First of all & MOST important...ENJOYED!!!!! > > Why you pay...is only and only important for you...there are superbly > decks, (I own a gifted Dragon!), today..& my history with Nak decks is > very long...since my first one the Legendary Tri Tracer 1000/2 during > 1968. > > Regarding ESL Labs...sorry I'm NO capable to any advice...as I live in > Israel, & I decided IF...one day my lovely Dragon will need to be > serviced...near for me is in UK by B&W Labs...I already contact them & > today they can handle my Dragon well...I'm thinking a decade more what > really will happen???. > > So money issue apart...I'm extremely happy for you! Bravo!!! > > Have a nice & productive new 2008 year! > > Be well, > > ALEX! > > > > > >>From: Ws407c at aol.com >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>To: alex.cozac at gmail.com, naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: [naktalk] Re: [NakChatt] Re: Nak ZX-9 (Another Beauty!!!) >>Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:51:18 EST >> >>Hi Alex , >> >>Yup I am the nut that bought both ZX-9's off eBay , one for $1200 and the >>other for $1045.99 . Yes I paid more than they seem to be worth on the >>used >>price list's out there but I don't want to wait around to 'find' a deal , >>I want >>'em now! >> >>These tape decks are absolutely unbelievable and I never thought I would >>take a step backwards to cassette until I heard one of these. No more >>being >>trapped into the digital control thing, I can record anything I want >>without >>hassle and Enjoy super clean recordings ! >> >>I am completely electronically inclined as well as in the >>electro-mechanical >>end of these things and am looking forward to doing a full restoration on >>one of these my self. ( I need jig's :-) >> >>I might send one of my other ZX-9's in to ESLabs for a complete >>restoration >>also , for I have only heard super positive results out of people on this >>company. >> >>Yes the price seem's way high , but if you take into consideration the >>amount of work this entails ,it is money well spent. And I do not have any >>jig's >>yet. I hope to get detailed dimensions and details on jigs so I can have >>them >>made up for myself. >> >>I am so glad to have discovered this magical medium of Nakamichi cassette >>audio , as well as this group ! >> >>Dave >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Hi Dave! >> >>If...you are the buyer, and replied to my mail, I will be delight! >> >>Have a nice lovely & productive new coming 2006 year! >> >>Cheers, >>ALEX! >> >>On 12/30/05, Dave wrote: >> > I'll let you know when I get it :-) >> > >> > Dave >> > >> > --- In NakChatt at yahoogroups.com, Alex Cozac wrote: >> > > >> > > Hi Bobby! >> > > >> > > You get ONLY the EXTERIOR cabinet...what happen REALLY inside...TILL >> > > you pay & get it...never any of us will be 100% sure that inside is >> > > also "SO MINT"!!! >> > > >> > > Be well! >> > > >> > > ALEX! >> > > >> > > On 11/4/05, robert_wilsonsg wrote: >> > > > Yes what a well written pitch. The deck is currently running at >> > > > about $999 and asking $1200 which in my view is god value for >> > > > somthing that achives the almost impossible and is over 20 years >> > old >> > > > in such good condition. I only hope my Dragon can fetch good money >> > > > one day - and keeps going. Its currently playing Emerson Lake and >> > > > Palmer's "Tarkus" recorded off vinyl about 15 years ago on TDK AD >> > > > and still sounds great. >> > > > >> > > > Robert >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > --- In NakChatt at yahoogroups.com, "Alan A. Baldwin" >> > wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > > WOW! Right you are about how well written the ad is. >> > > > > Alan >> > > > > >> > > > > ________________________________ >> > > > > >> > > > > From: NakChatt at yahoogroups.com >> > [mailto:NakChatt at yahoogroups.com] On >> > > > > Behalf Of MrBleus >> > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 7:22 PM >> > > > > To: NakChatt at yahoogroups.com >> > > > > Subject: [NakChatt] Nak ZX-9 (Another Beauty!!!) >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > Here's one for auction that looks amazingly in good condition. >> > > > One >> > > > > owner, and an asking price in the clouds.... >> > > > > >> > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/NAKAMICHI-ZX-9-Worlds-Best-Recorder-EVER- >> > > > > Pristine_W0QQitemZ5824253181QQcategoryZ64598QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem >> > > > > >> > > > > (cut n' paste both strings of text) >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > One of the most well-written auction adverts I've seen. Great >> > > > > digital photos too. I tend to think that this seller will get >> > the >> > > > > big $$$$'s for this one. >> > > > > >> > > > > Regards, >> > > > > >> > > > > Bleus >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > exerpts from the auction advert..... >> > > > > >> > > > > Nakamichi's high-end cassette decks almost defied the laws of >> > > > physics >> > > > > and stretched the performance of the cassette medium to greater >> > > > > extents than it has ever been stretched, before or since. and >> > > > among >> > > > > the Nakamichi decks, the ZX-9 was probably the undisputed >> > pinnacle >> > > > of >> > > > > their art. To support this claim it should be noted that until >> > > > > Nakamichi closed their recording studio, they used the ZX-9 to >> > do >> > > > > their reference recording. This deck is not only beautiful >> > > > > cosemetically, but is nearly indestructable, and truely a >> > > > > multifaceted and functional piece of cassette deck >> > craftsmanship. >> > > > ES >> > > > > Labs said it has one of the lowest wow and flutter measurements >> > > > they >> > > > > have measured. >> > > > > >> > > > > Very few Nakamichi models were built to these exacting >> > standards. >> > > > One >> > > > > or two others, like the Dragon, were undeniably more >> > > > sophisticated, >> > > > > not necessarily sonically, but in their mechanical engineering. >> > > > The >> > > > > ZX-9 kept automation to a minimum, allowing hand tuning with >> > > > internal >> > > > > electronic tone generators for assistance which allowed >> > incredible >> > > > > dynamic range and a lovely "analogue" warmth that is so true to >> > > > the >> > > > > source, it is virtually indistinguishable. There is more on this >> > > > > below... >> > > > > >> > > > > The ZX-9 was in production from 1982 to 1985 and preceeded the >> > > > > Dragon. Originally based on the ZX-7, the direct drive motors of >> > > > the >> > > > > ZX-9 reduced wow and flutter to a negligible entity allowing the >> > > > > recordings to be warm, and unbelievably clean and delicate. >> > > > > >> > > > > One of the original "drawback's" to a Nakamichi machince was the >> > > > > following claim. "If you make a recording on a Nakamichi deck, >> > it >> > > > has >> > > > > to be played back on a Nakamichi deck, otherwise it won't sound >> > > > > right!" That was because the exacting standards that Nakamichi >> > > > went >> > > > > through were impossible for other manufacturers to duplicate for >> > > > some >> > > > > reason, and the fact that everyone else used bandwith boosting >> > for >> > > > > recording and the opposite for playback had a negative effect >> > on a >> > > > > tape that was recorded absolutely linearly on a Nakamichi, which >> > > > was >> > > > > what actually prompted the Dragon in the first place. It used >> > > > > Nakamichi's NAAC (Nakamichi Automatic Azimuth Control) to read >> > the >> > > > > PLAYBACK of a recorded tape, and correct the playback tapes head >> > > > > azimuth (or proper alignment) to match the tape. Since every >> > other >> > > > > deck other than Nakamichi's recorded tapes in various states of >> > > > > alignment, this supposedly corrected for that. The Dragon was >> > > > never >> > > > > perported to be the ultimate recorder, just better for playback. >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > ""...the Dragon - wonderful, mad creation that it is - isn't >> > > > actually >> > > > > the best thing the legendary cassette masters did. It's a big, >> > > > bold, >> > > > > lavish technological tour-de-force, that's for sure - but it >> > > was >> > > > > never their last word in terms of sound quality. That accolade >> > > > went >> > > > > to the ZX-9..." Hi-Fi World >> > > > > >> > > > > Where the ZX-9 differs, is that it was designed to lay the >> > > > material >> > > > > down CORRECTLY DURING THE RECORDING phase. You don't need a >> > > > bandaid >> > > > > if there is no wound to fix! The ZX-9 provides controls that >> > > > enable >> > > > > the user to attain perfect recordings every time. The recording >> > > > head >> > > > > azimuth, recording bias, and levels can be optimally calibrated >> > > > > before starting a recording and the headroom on this machine is >> > > > like >> > > > > no other that I've experienced. >> > > > > >> > > > > When recording with metal tape, you can set the levels as high >> > as >> > > > > +8dB without encountering ANY distortion. Nakamichi actually >> > > > > recommends a high recording level when using metal tape to >> > improve >> > > > > the signal-to-noise ratio. Recordings made with normal bias tape >> > > > are >> > > > > equally good, in fact, I prefer them to standard chrome tape. >> > > > Also, >> > > > > you will be amazed how inconsistent tapes are, not only from >> > brand >> > > > to >> > > > > brand, but even from Side A to Side B! Setting up the recorder >> > to >> > > > > calibrate it to the tape is the ONLY way to get accuracy in your >> > > > > recording as it truly is calibrated for THAT SPECIFIC tape, and >> > > > > therefore you get perfect recordings, every time. >> > > > > >> > > > > This is a serious recording machine, unlike anything that has >> > been >> > > > > made or will be made for the consumer, yet, it is simple enough >> > > > for >> > > > > anyone to use. And once you make a tape on this machine, you >> > will >> > > > > understand why those who have stuck their noses up at anything >> > > > other >> > > > > than a Nak, have rightfully done so. >> > > > > >> > > > > Nobody was ever sorry they bought the best! >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > If its Nakamichi related, NakChatt is where its at in >> > cyberspace!!! >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > SPONSORED LINKS >> > > > > Audio cassette deck >> > > > > > > > > t=ms&k=Audio+cassette+deck&w1=Audio+casset >> > > > > te+deck&w2=Pro+audio&c=2&s=40&.sig=EwEbsGSnlm_iVzTsAw6SrQ> >> > Pro >> > > > > audio >> > > > > > > > > t=ms&k=Pro+audio&w1=Audio+cassette+deck&w2 >> > > > > =Pro+audio&c=2&s=40&.sig=CU5-3saP2XoDJQthF5WdjQ> >> > > > > >> > > > > ________________________________ >> > > > > >> > > > > YAHOO! 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Groups is subject to: >> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 2 11:23:47 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 02:23:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 670zx AAA problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060102102347.90874.qmail@web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Dr Dub, The AAA system belt may need to be changed. Have you taken a look inside? Regards Bala 79 Labs Tel :065-6584-2479 Mobile : 065-9351-7745 "Dr. Dub" wrote: I picked up a cosmetically fine looking 670zx, but when starting tape cal., there is no sign of the AAA wanting to start. The 'play'-light keeps on flashing, thus making it impossible to finish cal. Anybody know if this is serious? Thx for yr input ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 2 11:23:56 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 02:23:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 670zx AAA problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060102102356.90889.qmail@web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Dr Dub, The AAA system belt may need to be changed. Have you taken a look inside? Regards Bala 79 Labs Tel :065-6584-2479 Mobile : 065-9351-7745 "Dr. Dub" wrote: I picked up a cosmetically fine looking 670zx, but when starting tape cal., there is no sign of the AAA wanting to start. The 'play'-light keeps on flashing, thus making it impossible to finish cal. Anybody know if this is serious? Thx for yr input ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Jan 2 10:01:01 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 09:01:01 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: [NakChatt] Re: Nak ZX-9 (Another Beauty!!!) Message-ID: Have a lovely & very happy 2006, my dear Istv�n! My heart fully apologies, my mistake...I buy my TT-1000/2 during 1978...and NOT as wrote by mistake 1968! I'm so glad...that you correct me...Bravo...Istv�n! Cheers, ALEX! >From: S�ndor Istv�n >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: [NakChatt] Re: Nak ZX-9 (Another Beauty!!!) >Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 09:02:15 +0100 > >Hello Alex, >I wish you a Happy New Year for 2006, and maybe later for 2008 also... :-) >(You were probably excited because of the last day of 2005). > >On the other hand, please let me know if 1968 for the Nak TriTracer 1000/II >is a joke only, or your remembrance makes joke of you... >Because (as far as I know) the TT1000 series were produced from 1973 (my is >one of the oldest), and the TT1000/II was produced from 1978 until 1980 >(look at Wouter's site). > >However, if ever I will be as old as you are now, I may be happy enough to >hear music with my already partially deaf ears. > >Sorry for my awkward questions. > >Kind regards to you all. >Istv�n > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cozac" >To: >Cc: >Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 4:52 AM >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: [NakChatt] Re: Nak ZX-9 (Another Beauty!!!) > > >>Hi Dave! >> >>First of all & MOST important...ENJOYED!!!!! >> >>Why you pay...is only and only important for you...there are superbly >>decks, (I own a gifted Dragon!), today..& my history with Nak decks is >>very long...since my first one the Legendary Tri Tracer 1000/2 during >>1968. >> >>Regarding ESL Labs...sorry I'm NO capable to any advice...as I live in >>Israel, & I decided IF...one day my lovely Dragon will need to be >>serviced...near for me is in UK by B&W Labs...I already contact them & >>today they can handle my Dragon well...I'm thinking a decade more what >>really will happen???. >> >>So money issue apart...I'm extremely happy for you! Bravo!!! >> >>Have a nice & productive new 2008 year! >> >>Be well, >> >>ALEX! >> >> >> >> >> >>>From: Ws407c at aol.com >>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>To: alex.cozac at gmail.com, naktalk at naks.com >>>Subject: [naktalk] Re: [NakChatt] Re: Nak ZX-9 (Another Beauty!!!) >>>Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:51:18 EST >>> >>>Hi Alex , >>> >>>Yup I am the nut that bought both ZX-9's off eBay , one for $1200 and the >>>other for $1045.99 . Yes I paid more than they seem to be worth on the >>>used >>>price list's out there but I don't want to wait around to 'find' a deal , >>>I want >>>'em now! >>> >>>These tape decks are absolutely unbelievable and I never thought I would >>>take a step backwards to cassette until I heard one of these. No more >>>being >>>trapped into the digital control thing, I can record anything I want >>>without >>>hassle and Enjoy super clean recordings ! >>> >>>I am completely electronically inclined as well as in the >>>electro-mechanical >>>end of these things and am looking forward to doing a full restoration >>>on >>>one of these my self. ( I need jig's :-) >>> >>>I might send one of my other ZX-9's in to ESLabs for a complete >>>restoration >>>also , for I have only heard super positive results out of people on this >>>company. >>> >>>Yes the price seem's way high , but if you take into consideration the >>>amount of work this entails ,it is money well spent. And I do not have >>>any jig's >>>yet. I hope to get detailed dimensions and details on jigs so I can have >>>them >>>made up for myself. >>> >>>I am so glad to have discovered this magical medium of Nakamichi >>>cassette >>>audio , as well as this group ! >>> >>>Dave >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Hi Dave! >>> >>>If...you are the buyer, and replied to my mail, I will be delight! >>> >>>Have a nice lovely & productive new coming 2006 year! >>> >>>Cheers, >>>ALEX! >>> >>>On 12/30/05, Dave wrote: >>> > I'll let you know when I get it :-) >>> > >>> > Dave >>> > >>> > --- In NakChatt at yahoogroups.com, Alex Cozac wrote: >>> > > >>> > > Hi Bobby! >>> > > >>> > > You get ONLY the EXTERIOR cabinet...what happen REALLY >>>inside...TILL >>> > > you pay & get it...never any of us will be 100% sure that inside is >>> > > also "SO MINT"!!! >>> > > >>> > > Be well! >>> > > >>> > > ALEX! >>> > > >>> > > On 11/4/05, robert_wilsonsg wrote: >>> > > > Yes what a well written pitch. The deck is currently running at >>> > > > about $999 and asking $1200 which in my view is god value for >>> > > > somthing that achives the almost impossible and is over 20 years >>> > old >>> > > > in such good condition. I only hope my Dragon can fetch good >>>money >>> > > > one day - and keeps going. Its currently playing Emerson Lake and >>> > > > Palmer's "Tarkus" recorded off vinyl about 15 years ago on TDK AD >>> > > > and still sounds great. >>> > > > >>> > > > Robert >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > --- In NakChatt at yahoogroups.com, "Alan A. Baldwin" >>> > wrote: >>> > > > > >>> > > > > WOW! Right you are about how well written the ad is. >>> > > > > Alan >>> > > > > >>> > > > > ________________________________ >>> > > > > >>> > > > > From: NakChatt at yahoogroups.com >>> > [mailto:NakChatt at yahoogroups.com] On >>> > > > > Behalf Of MrBleus >>> > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 7:22 PM >>> > > > > To: NakChatt at yahoogroups.com >>> > > > > Subject: [NakChatt] Nak ZX-9 (Another Beauty!!!) >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > Here's one for auction that looks amazingly in good condition. >>> > > > One >>> > > > > owner, and an asking price in the clouds.... >>> > > > > >>> > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/NAKAMICHI-ZX-9-Worlds-Best-Recorder-EVER- >>> > > > > >>>Pristine_W0QQitemZ5824253181QQcategoryZ64598QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem >>> > > > > >>> > > > > (cut n' paste both strings of text) >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > One of the most well-written auction adverts I've seen. Great >>> > > > > digital photos too. I tend to think that this seller will get >>> > the >>> > > > > big $$$$'s for this one. >>> > > > > >>> > > > > Regards, >>> > > > > >>> > > > > Bleus >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > exerpts from the auction advert..... >>> > > > > >>> > > > > Nakamichi's high-end cassette decks almost defied the laws of >>> > > > physics >>> > > > > and stretched the performance of the cassette medium to greater >>> > > > > extents than it has ever been stretched, before or since. and >>> > > > among >>> > > > > the Nakamichi decks, the ZX-9 was probably the undisputed >>> > pinnacle >>> > > > of >>> > > > > their art. To support this claim it should be noted that until >>> > > > > Nakamichi closed their recording studio, they used the ZX-9 to >>> > do >>> > > > > their reference recording. This deck is not only beautiful >>> > > > > cosemetically, but is nearly indestructable, and truely a >>> > > > > multifaceted and functional piece of cassette deck >>> > craftsmanship. >>> > > > ES >>> > > > > Labs said it has one of the lowest wow and flutter measurements >>> > > > they >>> > > > > have measured. >>> > > > > >>> > > > > Very few Nakamichi models were built to these exacting >>> > standards. >>> > > > One >>> > > > > or two others, like the Dragon, were undeniably more >>> > > > sophisticated, >>> > > > > not necessarily sonically, but in their mechanical engineering. >>> > > > The >>> > > > > ZX-9 kept automation to a minimum, allowing hand tuning with >>> > > > internal >>> > > > > electronic tone generators for assistance which allowed >>> > incredible >>> > > > > dynamic range and a lovely "analogue" warmth that is so true to >>> > > > the >>> > > > > source, it is virtually indistinguishable. There is more on >>>this >>> > > > > below... >>> > > > > >>> > > > > The ZX-9 was in production from 1982 to 1985 and preceeded the >>> > > > > Dragon. Originally based on the ZX-7, the direct drive motors >>>of >>> > > > the >>> > > > > ZX-9 reduced wow and flutter to a negligible entity allowing >>>the >>> > > > > recordings to be warm, and unbelievably clean and delicate. >>> > > > > >>> > > > > One of the original "drawback's" to a Nakamichi machince was >>>the >>> > > > > following claim. "If you make a recording on a Nakamichi deck, >>> > it >>> > > > has >>> > > > > to be played back on a Nakamichi deck, otherwise it won't >>>sound >>> > > > > right!" That was because the exacting standards that Nakamichi >>> > > > went >>> > > > > through were impossible for other manufacturers to duplicate >>>for >>> > > > some >>> > > > > reason, and the fact that everyone else used bandwith boosting >>> > for >>> > > > > recording and the opposite for playback had a negative effect >>> > on a >>> > > > > tape that was recorded absolutely linearly on a Nakamichi, >>>which >>> > > > was >>> > > > > what actually prompted the Dragon in the first place. It used >>> > > > > Nakamichi's NAAC (Nakamichi Automatic Azimuth Control) to read >>> > the >>> > > > > PLAYBACK of a recorded tape, and correct the playback tapes >>>head >>> > > > > azimuth (or proper alignment) to match the tape. Since every >>> > other >>> > > > > deck other than Nakamichi's recorded tapes in various states of >>> > > > > alignment, this supposedly corrected for that. The Dragon was >>> > > > never >>> > > > > perported to be the ultimate recorder, just better for >>>playback. >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > ""...the Dragon - wonderful, mad creation that it is - isn't >>> > > > actually >>> > > > > the best thing the legendary cassette masters did. It's a big, >>> > > > bold, >>> > > > > lavish technological tour-de-force, that's for sure - but it > >>> > was >>> > > > > never their last word in terms of sound quality. That accolade >>> > > > went >>> > > > > to the ZX-9..." Hi-Fi World >>> > > > > >>> > > > > Where the ZX-9 differs, is that it was designed to lay the >>> > > > material >>> > > > > down CORRECTLY DURING THE RECORDING phase. You don't need a >>> > > > bandaid >>> > > > > if there is no wound to fix! The ZX-9 provides controls that >>> > > > enable >>> > > > > the user to attain perfect recordings every time. The >>>recording >>> > > > head >>> > > > > azimuth, recording bias, and levels can be optimally calibrated >>> > > > > before starting a recording and the headroom on this machine is >>> > > > like >>> > > > > no other that I've experienced. >>> > > > > >>> > > > > When recording with metal tape, you can set the levels as high >>> > as >>> > > > > +8dB without encountering ANY distortion. Nakamichi actually >>> > > > > recommends a high recording level when using metal tape to >>> > improve >>> > > > > the signal-to-noise ratio. Recordings made with normal bias >>>tape >>> > > > are >>> > > > > equally good, in fact, I prefer them to standard chrome tape. >>> > > > Also, >>> > > > > you will be amazed how inconsistent tapes are, not only from >>> > brand >>> > > > to >>> > > > > brand, but even from Side A to Side B! Setting up the recorder >>> > to >>> > > > > calibrate it to the tape is the ONLY way to get accuracy in >>>your >>> > > > > recording as it truly is calibrated for THAT SPECIFIC tape, and >>> > > > > therefore you get perfect recordings, every time. >>> > > > > >>> > > > > This is a serious recording machine, unlike anything that has >>> > been >>> > > > > made or will be made for the consumer, yet, it is simple >>>enough >>> > > > for >>> > > > > anyone to use. 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Groups is subject to: >>> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >> >> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Jan 2 10:19:04 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 09:19:04 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <006101c60f7d$94570f60$dfc987d9@oemcomputer> Dr. Dub wrote: > Where the Dragon and CR-7 (with rec. cal. unit slightly modified > by TvdH of > Transtec) were more the analytical and clinical sounding decks, > the ZXLs and > foremost the ZX-9 delivered far more natural and enjoyable sound, > recording > on the TDK MA-XG tapes we used. > I have a TvdH modified ZX-9. Do you have any idea of what the modification was that he did to the decks and what it did for them? I ask since I've never had a chance to compare my deck with an unmodified ZX-9. Gra' From thole at planet.nl Mon Jan 2 11:08:12 2006 From: thole at planet.nl (thole at planet.nl) Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 11:08:12 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] How many turns to adjust Azimuth on ZX7 / ZX9 Message-ID: <90b420390b7bf8.90b7bf890b4203@planet.nl> Ola, When I adjusted Azimuth for teh first time on my really nice Ebay zx7, I had to turn the knob more than a 2 whole turns (to the left) and finally the sign was ok. My question's: What is the normal span for this knob? Does it have a lock on the far left and right? Is it gear driven (fixed ratio) or with a kind of resistance? I assume it is mechanical is it a sign of wear that I have to turm it lot or does it just stop working completely when it gets old or abused? Do People adjust the azimuth for tapes recorded on other machines with the ZX7/9? (ie: you cant here the music while adjusting) Regards, Supertol From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Jan 2 12:08:54 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 06:08:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43B909C6.7050603@rcn.com> So far, I've kept out for this discussion. Mostly, because I now own a CR-7 and have only listened to other decks for short periods and never in an A-B comparison. As flawed as my listening tests were, to my ears, I thought the CR-7 was the most 'accurate' (others would call it 'analytical' or 'cold' or 'dry') and therefore, the closest to what I thought I would hear in the concert hall, third row center. The Dragon was a close second (but still, SECOND). Sonics of other models, including the ZX-9 (I am not sure whether I also auditioned the ZX-7), 680ZX, et al, were slightly 'bloated' (others would call them 'warm'). I disagree that this is 'natural', but certainly, preference -- either way -- is highly subjective. This is splitting hairs, as all were quite good. Bottom line: right now I wouldn't exchange my CR-7 for any other model. -- Ron Dr. Dub wrote: > Well, > Just read the hi-fi world article on the cr-7 as listed, and it struck > me to read that the author thinks Nak only came up up with auto-cal. on > the cr-7. So he's probably never been exposed to the 700ZXE/ZXL or > 1000ZXL then... > > There was a time when I so crazy I owned 18 different Naks; back in the > days ('99) a friend and I performed a thorough (blind) test using a > Michell Orbe turntable w/ SME series V tonearm (the 'nak' of > turntables;-), Accuphase amp and Sonus Faber speakers, using > Straightwire interconnects and speakercables. And then, the incredible > all-star set-up: CR-7e, Dragon, ZX-9, 700ZXL, 1000ZXL. > I found the differences between the decks to be a matter of taste rather > than a difference in quality. Next to a direct rec/playback test, we > also tested the recorded tapes in all the other decks. > > The craziest thing was the outcome: Being analog lovers, we both came up > with the same result! > Where the Dragon and CR-7 (with rec. cal. unit slightly modified by TvdH > of Transtec) were more the analytical and clinical sounding decks, the > ZXLs and foremost the ZX-9 delivered far more natural and enjoyable > sound, recording on the TDK MA-XG tapes we used. > With these 3 decks, one is constantly tempted to leave the monitor on > 'tape' when recording from vinyl. And I just didn't have that with > either the CR-7 or the Dragon. > > The ZX-9 is for my ears definitely the best recording deck of them all. > In terms of playback, the 1000ZXL and the ZX-9, although both the CR-7 > and Dragon also sounded a lot 'warmer' on tapes recorded on the ZX-9 and > ZXL machines. Now I'm writing this, regret starts to come up thinking of > the fact that in the end, I sold them all except the ZX-9. OK, I had to, > due to $ trouble, but still... > > So in the end, my personal top 5: > ZX-9 > 1000ZXL > 700ZXL > CR-7 > Dragon > > But okay, it's been almost 7 years; I really hope to (at some point) get > back to the position where I can rerun this Nak-lovers 'wet dream' test; > maybe a nice feature on a future Nak-reunion or something;-) > > All the best wishes for the new year everybody; > > best - dr dub From sandorpistike at hotmail.com Mon Jan 2 12:30:42 2006 From: sandorpistike at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?S=E1ndor_Istv=E1n?=) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 12:30:42 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] How many turns to adjust Azimuth on ZX7 / ZX9 References: <90b420390b7bf8.90b7bf890b4203@planet.nl> Message-ID: Hello Superthol, the ZX-series are very nice units (my opinion). My opinion also (some may not agree) that record head azimuth justage is a more important factor, than playback azimuth correction (supposed you make recordings on your deck, and usually listen to cassettes made on properly aligned decks). If you make your own records, and you use different kind of cassettes, it is a must to have this feature. I admit my RX-505 plays nice also, but far from recording capabilities of my ZX-7, because record azimuth correction is not provided (and some other calibration features also missing), it is a big handycap. As the recording head azimuth setting procedure is based on the playback-head response it is vital your playback section MUST be set correctly first. Otherwise all is for nothing, you MAY make recordings sound good on your (the same) machine, but they will be mostly poor on other units. The azimuth-justage is mechanical. A small worm-gear moves a steel tape (which is fitted in a ladder-like blue plastic), and this steel tape moves the recording head. Be very careful with setting the azimuth, as the connection between the worm-gear and the steel tape is quite weak, and it may happen they will disengage. Then you have to repair it... For this reason I heavily recommend to use the azimuth-knob very gently, do not turn it fast (let it settle), and do not turn it over (I have no data what is the range of the knob, and to be honest I do not have the intention to risk a try also). If you feel that the knob is stopped, under no circumstances turn it with force. Happy New Year! :-) István Ps.: ZX-7/9 have NO playback-azimuth correction feature. You must have a CR7, a Dragon, or a 680 series deck (am I right?) for this purpose. It is important only if you listen "alien" cassettes also. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 11:08 AM Subject: [naktalk] How many turns to adjust Azimuth on ZX7 / ZX9 > Ola, > When I adjusted Azimuth for teh first time on my really nice Ebay zx7, > I had to turn the knob more than a 2 whole turns (to the left) and > finally the sign was ok. > My question's: > > What is the normal span for this knob? > > Does it have a lock on the far left and right? > > Is it gear driven (fixed ratio) or with a kind of resistance? I assume > it is mechanical > > is it a sign of wear that I have to turm it lot or does it just stop > working completely when it gets old or abused? > > Do People adjust the azimuth for tapes recorded on other machines with > the ZX7/9? (ie: you cant here the music while adjusting) > > Regards, > > Supertol > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Jan 2 13:02:49 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 12:02:49 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs Message-ID: Hi Ron! Try if will be possible to you to hear a GOOD 1000ZXL! After so...I'm 100% sure that you WILL NOT...listen again your CR-7. Sadly but is truth!!! The "Magical/Miracle" sound of a 100% Perfectly" aligned 1000ZXL...it's another history! Ron...No Free meals!!!! WAS the most expensive, reliability it's his MAYOR problem...BUT...BUT...the sound, only one sole word...AMAZING!!!! Ron, have a lovely & productive 2006 year! Greetings, ALEX! >From: Ron >Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs >Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 06:08:54 -0500 > > >So far, I've kept out for this discussion. >Mostly, because I now own a CR-7 and have >only listened to other decks for short >periods and never in an A-B comparison. > >As flawed as my listening tests were, to my >ears, I thought the CR-7 was the most >'accurate' (others would call it 'analytical' >or 'cold' or 'dry') and therefore, the closest >to what I thought I would hear in the concert >hall, third row center. The Dragon was a close >second (but still, SECOND). Sonics of other >models, including the ZX-9 (I am not sure >whether I also auditioned the ZX-7), 680ZX, >et al, were slightly 'bloated' (others would >call them 'warm'). I disagree that this is >'natural', but certainly, preference -- either >way -- is highly subjective. This is splitting >hairs, as all were quite good. > >Bottom line: right now I wouldn't exchange my >CR-7 for any other model. > >-- Ron > > > > >Dr. Dub wrote: >>Well, >>Just read the hi-fi world article on the cr-7 as listed, and it struck me >>to read that the author thinks Nak only came up up with auto-cal. on the >>cr-7. So he's probably never been exposed to the 700ZXE/ZXL or 1000ZXL >>then... >> >>There was a time when I so crazy I owned 18 different Naks; back in the >>days ('99) a friend and I performed a thorough (blind) test using a >>Michell Orbe turntable w/ SME series V tonearm (the 'nak' of >>turntables;-), Accuphase amp and Sonus Faber speakers, using Straightwire >>interconnects and speakercables. And then, the incredible all-star set-up: >>CR-7e, Dragon, ZX-9, 700ZXL, 1000ZXL. >>I found the differences between the decks to be a matter of taste rather >>than a difference in quality. Next to a direct rec/playback test, we also >>tested the recorded tapes in all the other decks. >> >>The craziest thing was the outcome: Being analog lovers, we both came up >>with the same result! >>Where the Dragon and CR-7 (with rec. cal. unit slightly modified by TvdH >>of Transtec) were more the analytical and clinical sounding decks, the >>ZXLs and foremost the ZX-9 delivered far more natural and enjoyable sound, >>recording on the TDK MA-XG tapes we used. >>With these 3 decks, one is constantly tempted to leave the monitor on >>'tape' when recording from vinyl. And I just didn't have that with either >>the CR-7 or the Dragon. >> >>The ZX-9 is for my ears definitely the best recording deck of them all. In >>terms of playback, the 1000ZXL and the ZX-9, although both the CR-7 and >>Dragon also sounded a lot 'warmer' on tapes recorded on the ZX-9 and ZXL >>machines. Now I'm writing this, regret starts to come up thinking of the >>fact that in the end, I sold them all except the ZX-9. OK, I had to, due >>to $ trouble, but still... >> >>So in the end, my personal top 5: >>ZX-9 >>1000ZXL >>700ZXL >>CR-7 >>Dragon >> >>But okay, it's been almost 7 years; I really hope to (at some point) get >>back to the position where I can rerun this Nak-lovers 'wet dream' test; >>maybe a nice feature on a future Nak-reunion or something;-) >> >>All the best wishes for the new year everybody; >> >>best - dr dub >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From henk.schenk at nl.ey.com Mon Jan 2 13:38:41 2006 From: henk.schenk at nl.ey.com (Henk Schenk) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 13:38:41 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Reply on Naktalk: How many turns to adjust Azimuth on ZX7 / ZX9 Message-ID: All Nakkers: Again best wishes for 2006 and happy listening. Hello Supertol, (is this for real?) Congratulaqtions with the ZX 7. Do not worry to much for two turns of adjustment, although it is more then usual. First: The purpose of the inclusion of this type of user-adjustment lies in the fabrication inaccuracy of the shells of the Compact Cassettes. The tolerances in production dimensions of these plastic containers have a direct effect on the tape travel, especially outside the center head aperture. This, unavoidably, has consequences for the alignment of three head tape mechanisms. (This type of alignment is superfluous for R2R, as no shell exists.) So; the required turns of the adjustment knob is directly related to the difference between the last played tape shells and the new tape you use. If it's the same brand and high quality tape the adjustment should be somewhere between zero and half a turn. If you use unfamiliar cheap tapes it might be double that amount. The quality of the tape shells might be deduced from the difference between sides A and B. Good quality shells show little assymetric measurements and the A and B side will also be half a turn difference at max. Who knows what tape was used before by the last owner, and also; who will tell he actually knew what he was doing? Second: The adjustments of the record azimuth is done pure mechanically by a gear and a connecting BOWDEN cable. This is a long cable connecting the gears form the adjustment knob and the Record Head mounting/adjusting gear. This bowden cable inevitably has some slack, which results in about a quarter turn slack on the adjustment knob. It might be more, due to wear and tear (and production tolerances once more, but now in the Nakamichi mechanism) Third: The Alignment is fine and precise. The knob runs 20 turns at least, but the working range for serious tapes should lie within 1 turn only. Fourth: The adjustment result is fed back to you on the VU meters. The VU meters themselves are rough measuring tools. The steps between digits on the meters alow for as much as half a turn, before dropping or popping up. This makes real fine adjustments a little awkward. I prefer a High Com connected to the ZX and look at the Finest Meters you will find on consumer products of all time. At last; Listening to the recording via the tape monitor very carefully will reveal the actual state of azimuth adjustment. Listen to voices panned in dead center on popular recordings and listen repeatedly for the centering of the voice before tape and after tape (headphones might help here, leading an absolute mono feed to both channels will also help). Adjust the azimuth (a few turns!) when recording and keep listening to the centered sounds changing charactiristics. Do this back and forth a few times and you will get the feel what the adjustement does and how fine you can optimise the effect. To be brief (?); Do not worry to much and do experiment somewhat. This is how we can reach the ultimate .... My cent worth from Holland. kind regards, Henk Schenk > Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 11:08:12 +0100 > From: thole at planet.nl Ola, When I adjusted Azimuth for teh first time on my really nice Ebay zx7, I had to turn the knob more than a 2 whole turns (to the left) and finally the sign was ok. My question's: What is the normal span for this knob? ........... =================================================================== Op dit e-mailbericht en eventuele bijbehorende attachments is een disclaimer van toepassing, die is opgenomen op onze website: http://www.ey.nl/e-maildisclaimer. 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URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Mon Jan 2 14:30:55 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 05:30:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] How many turns to adjust Azimuth on ZX7 / ZX9 In-Reply-To: <90b420390b7bf8.90b7bf890b4203@planet.nl> Message-ID: <20060102133055.63160.qmail@web33309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Generally - if you have bought a Nak on ebay - most of them need alignment ( head and electronics). If perfectly aligned - ZX 7 azimuth will work with very slight turn ( may be one full turn in the worst case ) to get record head azimuth. Note that the Play head azimuth is assumed to be in correct location ? If not it will not play many tapes to its full potential! If you could get the azimuth to correct level , you must be happy that the ZX 7 need not immediately go to Nak service? kannan thole at planet.nl wrote: Ola, When I adjusted Azimuth for teh first time on my really nice Ebay zx7, I had to turn the knob more than a 2 whole turns (to the left) and finally the sign was ok. My question's: What is the normal span for this knob? Does it have a lock on the far left and right? Is it gear driven (fixed ratio) or with a kind of resistance? I assume it is mechanical is it a sign of wear that I have to turm it lot or does it just stop working completely when it gets old or abused? Do People adjust the azimuth for tapes recorded on other machines with the ZX7/9? (ie: you cant here the music while adjusting) Regards, Supertol ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thx for yr input ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dubsyndrome at hotmail.com Mon Jan 2 15:49:59 2006 From: dubsyndrome at hotmail.com (Dr. Dub) Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 14:49:59 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 670zx AAA problem Message-ID: No, I don't really dare since I'm a 2x left handed type-o-guy;-) But if you 'lead me through' I'll take the risk, ok? From dubsyndrome at hotmail.com Mon Jan 2 15:53:23 2006 From: dubsyndrome at hotmail.com (Dr. Dub) Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 14:53:23 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs Message-ID: Hi Gra'; zx-9 was unmodified, although, when cal., i always put the rec level +1.5 (1 led full, the 2nd 'blinking') above normal, also a TvdH tip. TvdH readjusted the settings of the cal. comp.when I was there to have the idler wheel mod, however I wouldn't be able to tell you what he exactly did there. I must say it sounded a bit warmer then, not affecting the clearness of the deck;-) best - pats From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 2 17:13:31 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 08:13:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 670zx AAA problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060102161331.92025.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Dr Dub, I'm left handed too :) But I'll guide you along all the same. Its easy to fix. By the way, you said you had done a run up on all the top Nak decks in the late 90s? Regards Bala 79 Labs Tel : 065-6584-2479 Mobile :065-9351-7745 "Dr. Dub" wrote: No, I don't really dare since I'm a 2x left handed type-o-guy;-) But if you 'lead me through' I'll take the risk, ok? ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I had hoped there was a tension adjuster of some sort .......a mechanical rather than electronic solution! That a Nak klutz like this person could do I loved the threads about NAK decks tailored towards certain sound signatures CR7 to DAT and CD, Dragon to something else...... I wonder if I'll ever find a ZX9 ........ I think thats the sound I would go for ........ since getting the deck back the cd player is in retirement. Hi Adrian regarding the costs......... I shared these before Christmass, the cost including transport was £190 including VAT ...... but B&W will give you a ball park figure just phoning up and then a precise price after evaluating the machine on the bench ....... I was asked to authorise the actual cost before they went ahead so one always knows where on is with them and the costs I hope this helps Peace Ian >From: Antoine Deschines >Subject: Re: [naktalk] That Scottish 481z update >and a paen to even a basic Nak >If there's nothing special for stopping, it's something that has to do > with the counter circuits that stops the deck. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Antoine Deschênes, antdes45 at yahoo.ca --------------------------------- Lèche-vitrine ou lèche-écran ? Yahoo! Magasinage. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Mon Jan 2 16:29:07 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?iso-8859-1?q?Antoine=20Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 10:29:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] just doing my part to keep analog alive In-Reply-To: <43B89003.2000804@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <20060102152907.48199.qmail@web36210.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yes, promoting analog to friends doesn't work. My friends are afraid to see a cassette tape... And my neighbor made his daughters listen to "big black CDs" an other day. He told that they were amazed to see that it would play on both sides and that you had to move the needle to play an other song. "Kermit V. Gray" a écrit : Good job, Ted! Tim Barrett wrote: > Fed my daughter's music interests with a Technics turntable and a Nak > BX-300 several years back and she has continued to buy vinyl, along with > CD's, and actively promotes analog recording to her friends. Most of > them think she's nuts, but she doesn't care. She's moved to Chicago > since and has located a great used record store there. I guess I'll > have to leave my ZX-7 to her. I hereby award you the Croix d'Analogue with Microphone Clusters. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs Antoine Deschênes, antdes45 at yahoo.ca --------------------------------- Lèche-vitrine ou lèche-écran ? Yahoo! Magasinage. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rob at rhoag.com Mon Jan 2 19:36:43 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 10:36:43 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] How many turns to adjust Azimuth on ZX7 / ZX9 In-Reply-To: <90b420390b7bf8.90b7bf890b4203@planet.nl> Message-ID: Looks like there's already been several answers covering this, but I just wanted to say that the adjustment must be made slowely as you watch the two left - right diode lights (not the VU meters, as someone else said). Just ff the tape to about the middle, push record and pause together so that it is in record standby mode, push in the azmuth adjustment big button to start the calibration and have access to the azimuth knob, wait a few seconds for the azimuth lights to stabelize, then turn the knob in 1/4 turns in the direction away from the lit red light until the center green light glows steady. Wait a few seconds with each turn you make. Then push to release the large azimuth button, adjust your levels to 0-0, then do the bias to 0-0. Be sure you are adjusting the small knobs directly in the column under the tape type button, and horizontally in the row with the levels or bias button. The bias and levels, if they are off a lot will have to be set to a mid position then played with awhile to get them right, then I usually recheck the azimuth and do the levels and bias a final time. With all of this, be sure you have the right tape type button selected before you start and that your dolby is set to off and multiplex is off monitor is on tape position, Equilization switch is set to tape type. Hope this all helps, am on my third ZX7 and I think it's the best deck in it's price range that Nakamichi ever made. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of thole at planet.nl Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 2:08 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] How many turns to adjust Azimuth on ZX7 / ZX9 Ola, When I adjusted Azimuth for teh first time on my really nice Ebay zx7, I had to turn the knob more than a 2 whole turns (to the left) and finally the sign was ok. My question's: What is the normal span for this knob? Does it have a lock on the far left and right? Is it gear driven (fixed ratio) or with a kind of resistance? I assume it is mechanical is it a sign of wear that I have to turm it lot or does it just stop working completely when it gets old or abused? Do People adjust the azimuth for tapes recorded on other machines with the ZX7/9? (ie: you cant here the music while adjusting) Regards, Supertol ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The only Naks that are erroneous that I know are a CR-4 & my poor 600 II. Your idea still very interessting. I think you will do better fortune by realizing audio enhancement, as making a replica of the 1000ZXL playback amp. This one will fit in any "Discrete Head Cassette Deck" of 2nd generation. It will be for sure an old dream at last made available. I wish you all the best ! Matyas ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Gray) Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 15:17:26 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon III - Atalanta In-Reply-To: <000a01c606ad$41b4e1c0$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> References: <000a01c606ad$41b4e1c0$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Message-ID: <43B99866.1010404@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Robert, Thanks for the kind words! Glad to know the CDs are a hit. I have borrowed one of Ti Kan's headphone amps from a friend and I hope to listen to it soon (I'm anxious to hear it!). Intriguing design. I admire clever engineering. Good choice on your Sennheiser HD600s. Grado, AKG, and Sennheiser are about the only headphones I like the sound of. (Yikes! I ended a sentence in a preposition!) Well, Stax electrostatics, too. In the process of making the Nakathon CDs, I used AKG K240 headphones (my de facto standard since 1975), Sennheiser HD414 (remember those?), Koss Pro-4AA, and apir of some off-brand earbud, Coby, if I remember correctly. The main monitors were KVG Labs L-81G/SP midfields. Mike Moore (Atlanta Mike) picked out the selections. At first, I was dubious, but to my pleasant surpise, they worked together as a cohesive whole. Some very nonlinear thinking went into that, Mike; I always enjoy a unique concept in an album! As many of you know, the Nakathon IIIa cassettes still haven't gone out. Frankly, in contrast to the CD copies, I’m not happy with how the cassette copies of the Nakathon IIIa sound. The 600-II has been having ongoing technical problems affecting recording quality, as has the Revox B710. My 500 and both 550s seem to be running okay, though. (Special thanks to former Ampex service tech John Eider for keeping the 500 and 550s up and running while I concentrate on other projects.) The biggest concern I have, though, isn’t the sound of the cassette decks, it’s the generational losses accrued by making a copy of a copy of a copy [source CD, to the contributor’s cassette deck, to my cassette deck]. I’m able to hide any generational losses by manipulating the CD’s inherent noise and distortion floor, so that the CDs don’t feel like copies of copies. But with analog, there is no room to hide (Nak decks are so lcean as to reveal any flaws in source material). Thus, I just do not care for the sound of the Nakathon cassettes. ON ANOTHER NOTE, some one from South America had tried to contact me regarding the Nakathon CD. If you're still on the list, I haven't been ignoring you -- every time I tried to email you the mail came back as undeliverable. Contact me off-list, please. rjkent at comcast.net wrote: > Kermit, Atlanta Mike, and Marathon Contributors! > > Excellent job! I finally got around to listening to the production > using a high quality DAC and one of Ti Kan's M3 ClassA headphone amps > into some Sennheiser HD-600s. > > Kermit, the mastering is excellent.....the saturation, balance, and > noise control to end up with consistent output from such divergent > sources gives it a very professional sound. > > The cut selections are great too! A definite jazz influenced rock > assemblage with a few surprises and a southern influence! How Prince > and Andrea Boccelli reside on the same album side by side may surprise > some, but it holds up well as an overall collection. > > Thanks from the San Francisco end to the Atlanta crowd and Kermit for a > job well done! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Jan 2 22:25:48 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 21:25:48 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <00c401c60fe3$198cf9a0$dfc987d9@oemcomputer> Pats? Not Mr Patrick Dokter, Nakamichi and Liverpool FC fan, by any chance?? Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Dr. Dub > Sent: 02 January 2006 14:53 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs > > > Hi Gra'; > > zx-9 was unmodified, although, when cal., i always put the rec > level +1.5 (1 > led full, the 2nd 'blinking') above normal, also a TvdH tip. > TvdH readjusted the settings of the cal. comp.when I was there to > have the > idler wheel mod, however I wouldn't be able to tell you what he > exactly did > there. I must say it sounded a bit warmer then, not affecting the > clearness > of the deck;-) > > best - pats > From fugue4all at shaw.ca Mon Jan 2 22:38:03 2006 From: fugue4all at shaw.ca (Paul Dingle) Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 16:38:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs References: <200601021525.k02FPDYW023887@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <003e01c60fe4$cf6a05f0$8902a8c0@warbird> After a great deal of listening, recording, ABCD comparisons, and some real tears of sorrow (the 700ZXL was simply exquisitely coloured, and the ZX9 almost as sweet), I settled on my CR7 (a non-operating Ebay unit) and sent it to Stephen Sank for a gear upgrade, rec. eq. mod, and some improvements on the stock Dolby C circuits. From the beginning, I had concerns over the delicacy of the Dragon's NAAC due mostly to a friend's sorrowful relationship with his TD-1200II deck (my TD700 is bulletproof!). My final choice was made for recording mostly solo piano and string quartets. What many people feel is a 'clinical' sound to me is simply accurate--the machine should neither add nor take away anything sonically. The Dolby C performance on the CR7 (after Sank's modifications) is simply the best I've heard on any cassette deck, Nakamichi or otherwise. Incidentally, Sank recommended a modified Revox B215 over the CR7 for reliability, but acknowledged the Nak decks have a better sound to his ears. Why I wept is because the 700ZXL was simply gorgeous the way it coloured the pipe organ (I play a 3266 pipe Casavant "mongrel", Op.866), and both the 700ZXL and the ZX9 brought a sweetness to lute and acoustic guitar that I loved. I am aware that Nakamichi used ZX9's in their studios, and Niro Nakamichi's use of solo piano and string quartet as a kind of "acid test" for faithful reproduction is well documented (and sensible). My next deck will definitely be either a ZX9 or (now that Bala has apparently solved the problem of ZXL fragility) a 700ZXL. FWIW, the 700ZXL sounded nicer to my ears than the 1000ZXL(!), and the black/silver scheme that carried over into the later LX series is simply stunning visually! If I win the Lotto 649, I'm having one of each, and asking Kermit (nicely!) if he could find me a suitable battery of mics to satisfy what may very well be a full-blown microphone fetish ;-). A personal thanks to all on the list for the sharing of knowledge, experience and wisdom--it makes the pride of use and ownership of these wonderful machines all the more gratifying. Paul. > > So far, I've kept out for this discussion. > Mostly, because I now own a CR-7 and have > only listened to other decks for short > periods and never in an A-B comparison. > > As flawed as my listening tests were, to my > ears, I thought the CR-7 was the most > 'accurate' (others would call it 'analytical' > or 'cold' or 'dry') and therefore, the closest > to what I thought I would hear in the concert > hall, third row center. The Dragon was a close > second (but still, SECOND). Sonics of other > models, including the ZX-9 (I am not sure > whether I also auditioned the ZX-7), 680ZX, > et al, were slightly 'bloated' (others would > call them 'warm'). I disagree that this is > 'natural', but certainly, preference -- either > way -- is highly subjective. This is splitting > hairs, as all were quite good. > > Bottom line: right now I wouldn't exchange my > CR-7 for any other model. > > -- Ron -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.10/218 - Release Date: 1/2/2006 From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Jan 2 22:41:40 2006 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 08:41:40 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 with No Sound Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531DC66@mis-exchange.necau.nec.com.au> My guess is that the primary stage of the power supply has some dried out capacitors such as the filter capacitors. These are easily identified, they are the only large size caps in the primary stage near the transformer. Hope this helps. Cheers, Tom. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of k Sent: Monday, 2 January 2006 3:35 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] RE: BX-300 with No Sound Tom, Yes, I did notice a buzzing noise through the headphones. So the problem could be the power supply? I'll take a look to see if there is anything visible. I'd sure appreciate any suggestions about how to analyze it. I do have a service manual for the deck. I don't have a lot of skill in this area, but I have replaced PCB components, when I know which needs replacement. Thank you very much for the help. Karl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fugue4all at shaw.ca Mon Jan 2 22:44:20 2006 From: fugue4all at shaw.ca (Paul Dingle) Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 16:44:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Anyone with experience with Nak Slimline Reference Monitors? References: <200601021525.k02FPDYW023887@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <004201c60fe5$b070fcc0$8902a8c0@warbird> I may have an opportunity to get a pair of Nakamichi Slimline Reference Monitors. They are two-way, crossover-free, and have Mitsubishi woofers/tweeters that have cult status among Japanese audiophiles/builders. Performance specs don't seem too impressive (approx 40-16KHZ), but I learned a long time ago that often tells only a tiny part of the story. Any insight would be greatly appreciated. Paul -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.10/218 - Release Date: 1/2/2006 From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Jan 2 23:33:23 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 17:33:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43B9AA33.2040102@rcn.com> Well, Alex, actually, I did consider the 1000ZXL. However, I value reliability very highly. I can live with the finicky CR-7, but (based on comments made by Carlos) I suspect that the 1000ZXL would drive me nuts... Shana tova to you, too, -- Ron Alex Cozac wrote: > Hi Ron! > > Try if will be possible to you to hear a GOOD 1000ZXL! After so...I'm > 100% sure that you WILL NOT...listen again your CR-7. Sadly but is > truth!!! The "Magical/Miracle" sound of a 100% Perfectly" aligned > 1000ZXL...it's another history! Ron...No Free meals!!!! WAS the most > expensive, reliability it's his MAYOR problem...BUT...BUT...the sound, > only one sole word...AMAZING!!!! > > Ron, have a lovely & productive 2006 year! > > Greetings, > > ALEX! > > > > > >> From: Ron >> Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs >> Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 06:08:54 -0500 >> >> >> So far, I've kept out for this discussion. >> Mostly, because I now own a CR-7 and have >> only listened to other decks for short >> periods and never in an A-B comparison. >> >> As flawed as my listening tests were, to my >> ears, I thought the CR-7 was the most >> 'accurate' (others would call it 'analytical' >> or 'cold' or 'dry') and therefore, the closest >> to what I thought I would hear in the concert >> hall, third row center. The Dragon was a close >> second (but still, SECOND). Sonics of other >> models, including the ZX-9 (I am not sure >> whether I also auditioned the ZX-7), 680ZX, >> et al, were slightly 'bloated' (others would >> call them 'warm'). I disagree that this is >> 'natural', but certainly, preference -- either >> way -- is highly subjective. This is splitting >> hairs, as all were quite good. >> >> Bottom line: right now I wouldn't exchange my >> CR-7 for any other model. >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> >> >> Dr. Dub wrote: >> >>> Well, >>> Just read the hi-fi world article on the cr-7 as listed, and it >>> struck me to read that the author thinks Nak only came up up with >>> auto-cal. on the cr-7. So he's probably never been exposed to the >>> 700ZXE/ZXL or 1000ZXL then... >>> >>> There was a time when I so crazy I owned 18 different Naks; back in >>> the days ('99) a friend and I performed a thorough (blind) test using >>> a Michell Orbe turntable w/ SME series V tonearm (the 'nak' of >>> turntables;-), Accuphase amp and Sonus Faber speakers, using >>> Straightwire interconnects and speakercables. And then, the >>> incredible all-star set-up: CR-7e, Dragon, ZX-9, 700ZXL, 1000ZXL. >>> I found the differences between the decks to be a matter of taste >>> rather than a difference in quality. Next to a direct rec/playback >>> test, we also tested the recorded tapes in all the other decks. >>> >>> The craziest thing was the outcome: Being analog lovers, we both came >>> up with the same result! >>> Where the Dragon and CR-7 (with rec. cal. unit slightly modified by >>> TvdH of Transtec) were more the analytical and clinical sounding >>> decks, the ZXLs and foremost the ZX-9 delivered far more natural and >>> enjoyable sound, recording on the TDK MA-XG tapes we used. >>> With these 3 decks, one is constantly tempted to leave the monitor on >>> 'tape' when recording from vinyl. And I just didn't have that with >>> either the CR-7 or the Dragon. >>> >>> The ZX-9 is for my ears definitely the best recording deck of them >>> all. In terms of playback, the 1000ZXL and the ZX-9, although both >>> the CR-7 and Dragon also sounded a lot 'warmer' on tapes recorded on >>> the ZX-9 and ZXL machines. Now I'm writing this, regret starts to >>> come up thinking of the fact that in the end, I sold them all except >>> the ZX-9. OK, I had to, due to $ trouble, but still... >>> >>> So in the end, my personal top 5: >>> ZX-9 >>> 1000ZXL >>> 700ZXL >>> CR-7 >>> Dragon >>> >>> But okay, it's been almost 7 years; I really hope to (at some point) >>> get back to the position where I can rerun this Nak-lovers 'wet >>> dream' test; maybe a nice feature on a future Nak-reunion or >>> something;-) >>> >>> All the best wishes for the new year everybody; >>> >>> best - dr dub From graker at woods-and-waters.com Tue Jan 3 00:22:16 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 17:22:16 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Anyone with experience with Nak Slimline Reference Monitors? In-Reply-To: <004201c60fe5$b070fcc0$8902a8c0@warbird> References: <200601021525.k02FPDYW023887@zxe.naks.com> <004201c60fe5$b070fcc0$8902a8c0@warbird> Message-ID: <43B9B5A8.5000705@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Paul, Paul Dingle wrote: > I may have an opportunity to get a pair of Nakamichi Slimline Reference > Monitors. They are two-way, crossover-free, and have Mitsubishi > woofers/tweeters that have cult status among Japanese audiophiles/builders. > > Performance specs don't seem too impressive (approx 40-16KHZ), but I learned > a long time ago that often tells only a tiny part of the story. > > Any insight would be greatly appreciated. The midrange, especially vocal reproduction, of these speakers is excellent. imaging too is wonderful detailed and accurate. The only drawback is the lack of deep bass or airy highs, BUT for mixing, I loved these speakers. Beats the overly-lauded Yamaha NS-10 for mixing hands down. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Tue Jan 3 00:33:40 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 17:33:40 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Happy New Year! The Tale of The Pirate Nakamichi In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531DC63@mis-exchange.necau.nec.com.au> References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531DC63@mis-exchange.necau.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <43B9B854.2080109@woods-and-waters.com> A New Year always makes me nostalgic. In the spirit of New Year's nostalgia, I give you the true story of the Pirate Nakamichi 550. I don’t know about you guys, but I miss the 1970s. I think I had more fun back then, in many ways. Younger and stupider, probably. Ah well. Today, I wonder if it’s possible to have as much fun as you could in years past. Take 1977, for example. I had just graduated high school and had the summer off to have fun. So what did I do? Take a vacation to the beach to get chicks, or hang out at the arcades or the race track like my friends did? No, I built a pirate radio station and went on the air as "Radio Free Whoever" briefly during the summer of 1977. My friend Alan, my first-ever girlfriend, Sara, and I made this our summer project together. We ran it out of a HUGE brown 1970 Dodge A-100 van. I called my on-air persona "Cap'n Demo." Sara was "Miss Information" and Alan was simply, "Hey, you." The station included a homemade AM transmitter built out of a 6L6 (a black metal can RCA) in a plate transformer modulated Class C final stage, with a 6V6 (the metal can type) set up as the local oscillator (crystal controlled for stability) and a surplus 6J5GT for the AF amp. My transmitter started life as a PA amp I had made for my failed attempt at starting a band in high school. I used the carcass of a discarded Western Electric amplifier (don’t know the model) I “rescued” from a dumpster [rubbish tip] behind a movie theater that was remodeling. I’d gotten bored with the amp and rebuilt it to become the AM transmitter. The setup put out about 100 watts effective radiated power -- thanks to an efficient antenna. Coverage at night was surpisingly good. I like AM Radio (or, medium wave, for our non-USA friends). Source gear was a Bogen CDM mixer , Dual 1218, a Panasonic 8-track recorder, and my Nakamichi 550. My on-air mic was a really scratched up ElectroVoice 664 (still have it). Not particularly hi-fi; I picked the mic because it looked cool and was built like a tank. Actually, a fairly professional setup. Power was provided by a military surplus dynamotor, and we could stay on the air for about six hours with a pair of 12-volt car batteries. That’s why I like the military -- all the cool and useful stuff you can buy surplus. I wanted the station to sound good and didn’t have a modulation monitor scope or an AGC, so I watched the mixer’s VU-meter really closely. I had calibrated the meter such that 0-VU equaled 90% modulation. "Radio Free Whoever" broadcast at first usually on 666 kc, but then we found out some of the then-new "phase locked loop tuning" radios couldn't tune to 666 kc, so we changed to 670 kc, unless that frequency had another station on it, then we'd find whatever frequency was clear. We went on the air usually only on Friday or Saturday nights, but seldom both, between the hours of 10:00 PM and whenever we got too sleepy to stay up, or whenever Sara felt she needed to sneak home before her parents caught her out late (she owned the van). It sort of depended on what the local TV station broadcast Friday night. KCMO TV-5 aired old sci-fi and horror movies at 10:30 PM, calling it the “Creature Feature”. So, if it was a good movie (like Creature From The Black Lagoon) we’d watch the movie and go on the air Saturday. The format was, to be polite, eclectic: it may be a movement of Beethoven's 6th, followed by Toto's Hydra, followed by Glenn Miller in the Mood, followed by Simon & Garfunkel, or jazz, or part of a record played backward, then Borodin's Polovtsian Dances, then Chicago or the Moody Blues, then some psychodelia or the Monkees, Little Richard, then The 1812 Festival Overture Op, 49. We’d play anything, any genre of music, old 78s, even kids songs (and sing along with the kids’ songs). Sometimes, I’d play parts of band demo tapes I’d made or local live music I had recorded with the Nakamichi 550. You never knew what you’d hear! It worked out that I’d sign on with a short version of Tchaichovsky’s “Capriccio Italien” and sign off with Strauss’ “The Radetsky March”. Once while hanging out at a local stereo shop waiting for sara to get off work, I overhead two guys talking about the station. Seems they’d come across it by accident and thought it was hilarious. First, one guy remarked how god the sound was (that made me happy!). One guy remarked the thing he enjoyed most wasn’t the music, it was listening to “the DJ and the chick” argue about what to play next (Sara and I would get into real arguments over what to play next and would be oblivious to the open mic -- and then Sara would get flustered as she’d realize the mic had been open and everyone had overheard). The other guy said he enjoyed when the record would run out and you could hear somebody rummaging around trying to get the next record started quickly; sometimes you’d hear the girl giggling. They both mused that probably “the DJ and the chick had been making out” and lost track of the time. Give that guy a prize! After the first month, Alan quit to spend nights with his first-ever girlfriend, Becky. So it was just me and Sara. And the warm summer nights. And the starry skies. Very cool. Ah the summer of 1977. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From rob at rhoag.com Tue Jan 3 00:53:41 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 15:53:41 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Happy new year! In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531DC63@mis-exchange.necau.nec.com.au> Message-ID: Best to you too, Thomas! Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 1:25 PM To: Naktalk mail list (naktalk at naks.com) Subject: [naktalk] Happy new year! Hi all, I know I have contributed very little to the group but work have been crazy for me. I wish you all a happy new year. Cheers, Tom Siomopoulos Technical Officer - Epworth Eastern Hospital NEC Business Solutions Ltd Victoria Branch Ph 0421 581 976 Email - Tom.Siomopoulos at nec.com.au From jochi at qwest.net Tue Jan 3 01:30:31 2006 From: jochi at qwest.net (Jon Ochi) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 17:30:31 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <36245BEF-C67E-4CC8-9B3E-B3FB7953FE10@qwest.net> Dr. Dub, I tried boosting the Bias and the Level up 1.5 (one light + on blinking light as per your directions) on my Nak ZX7. The results of that small change really surprised me. The sound seems much clearer especially in the midrange and upper midrange. I do not know the audiophile way to describe the sound except to say that it is more lively--perhaps because of the apparent boost to the mid/upper midrange. The other discovery is that when I play that tape in the car, I can enjoy the tape at a noticeably lower volume level. The sound just cuts through the road noise much better. The low level sound retrieval is much improved. So my question is, why did I hear these differences? Please explain in layman's terms if you can because I do not understand technical theories very well. Thanks for any light you can shed on this. I really like the "new" sound so far and want to record some other music to further experiment. But for now, I find it so fascinating that such a small tweak can change the sound like it does. Regards, Jon On Jan 2, 2006, at 7:53 AM, Dr. Dub wrote: > Hi Gra'; > > zx-9 was unmodified, although, when cal., i always put the rec > level +1.5 (1 led full, the 2nd 'blinking') above normal, also a > TvdH tip. > TvdH readjusted the settings of the cal. comp.when I was there to > have the idler wheel mod, however I wouldn't be able to tell you > what he exactly did there. I must say it sounded a bit warmer then, > not affecting the clearness of the deck;-) > > best - pats > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Jan 3 03:34:50 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 02:34:50 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs In-Reply-To: <43B9AA33.2040102@rcn.com> Message-ID: Same to you Ron, and all my best wishes ever!!! Thanks!!! ALEX! >From: Ron >Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs >Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 17:33:23 -0500 > > >Well, Alex, actually, I did consider the 1000ZXL. >However, I value reliability very highly. I can >live with the finicky CR-7, but (based on comments >made by Carlos) I suspect that the 1000ZXL would >drive me nuts... > >Shana tova to you, too, > >-- Ron > > > >Alex Cozac wrote: >>Hi Ron! >> >>Try if will be possible to you to hear a GOOD 1000ZXL! After so...I'm 100% >>sure that you WILL NOT...listen again your CR-7. Sadly but is truth!!! The >>"Magical/Miracle" sound of a 100% Perfectly" aligned 1000ZXL...it's >>another history! Ron...No Free meals!!!! WAS the most expensive, >>reliability it's his MAYOR problem...BUT...BUT...the sound, only one sole >>word...AMAZING!!!! >> >>Ron, have a lovely & productive 2006 year! >> >>Greetings, >> >>ALEX! >> >> >> >> >> >>>From: Ron >>>Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> >>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs >>>Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 06:08:54 -0500 >>> >>> >>>So far, I've kept out for this discussion. >>>Mostly, because I now own a CR-7 and have >>>only listened to other decks for short >>>periods and never in an A-B comparison. >>> >>>As flawed as my listening tests were, to my >>>ears, I thought the CR-7 was the most >>>'accurate' (others would call it 'analytical' >>>or 'cold' or 'dry') and therefore, the closest >>>to what I thought I would hear in the concert >>>hall, third row center. The Dragon was a close >>>second (but still, SECOND). Sonics of other >>>models, including the ZX-9 (I am not sure >>>whether I also auditioned the ZX-7), 680ZX, >>>et al, were slightly 'bloated' (others would >>>call them 'warm'). I disagree that this is >>>'natural', but certainly, preference -- either >>>way -- is highly subjective. This is splitting >>>hairs, as all were quite good. >>> >>>Bottom line: right now I wouldn't exchange my >>>CR-7 for any other model. >>> >>>-- Ron >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Dr. Dub wrote: >>> >>>>Well, >>>>Just read the hi-fi world article on the cr-7 as listed, and it struck >>>>me to read that the author thinks Nak only came up up with auto-cal. on >>>>the cr-7. So he's probably never been exposed to the 700ZXE/ZXL or >>>>1000ZXL then... >>>> >>>>There was a time when I so crazy I owned 18 different Naks; back in the >>>>days ('99) a friend and I performed a thorough (blind) test using a >>>>Michell Orbe turntable w/ SME series V tonearm (the 'nak' of >>>>turntables;-), Accuphase amp and Sonus Faber speakers, using >>>>Straightwire interconnects and speakercables. And then, the incredible >>>>all-star set-up: CR-7e, Dragon, ZX-9, 700ZXL, 1000ZXL. >>>>I found the differences between the decks to be a matter of taste rather >>>>than a difference in quality. Next to a direct rec/playback test, we >>>>also tested the recorded tapes in all the other decks. >>>> >>>>The craziest thing was the outcome: Being analog lovers, we both came up >>>>with the same result! >>>>Where the Dragon and CR-7 (with rec. cal. unit slightly modified by TvdH >>>>of Transtec) were more the analytical and clinical sounding decks, the >>>>ZXLs and foremost the ZX-9 delivered far more natural and enjoyable >>>>sound, recording on the TDK MA-XG tapes we used. >>>>With these 3 decks, one is constantly tempted to leave the monitor on >>>>'tape' when recording from vinyl. And I just didn't have that with >>>>either the CR-7 or the Dragon. >>>> >>>>The ZX-9 is for my ears definitely the best recording deck of them all. >>>>In terms of playback, the 1000ZXL and the ZX-9, although both the CR-7 >>>>and Dragon also sounded a lot 'warmer' on tapes recorded on the ZX-9 and >>>>ZXL machines. Now I'm writing this, regret starts to come up thinking of >>>>the fact that in the end, I sold them all except the ZX-9. OK, I had to, >>>>due to $ trouble, but still... >>>> >>>>So in the end, my personal top 5: >>>>ZX-9 >>>>1000ZXL >>>>700ZXL >>>>CR-7 >>>>Dragon >>>> >>>>But okay, it's been almost 7 years; I really hope to (at some point) get >>>>back to the position where I can rerun this Nak-lovers 'wet dream' test; >>>>maybe a nice feature on a future Nak-reunion or something;-) >>>> >>>>All the best wishes for the new year everybody; >>>> >>>>best - dr dub >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From shorty at nznet.gen.nz Tue Jan 3 07:35:18 2006 From: shorty at nznet.gen.nz (Martin Short) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 19:35:18 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Blank Chrome Tapes in New Zealand References: <200601021028.k02AQfTb022947@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <001001c6102f$dd8f4820$0201a8c0@lan> Dave, Best of luck finding anything decent in NZ these days!!! Good Chrome tapes are now rare, and metals unobtainable via normal retails sources. . The local 'Sounds' store has some old stock TDK AD and SA at original retail prices ( $10.00 for an SA90, $8.00 for an AD), and I am slowly working through that to feed my naks :o)... there is stock left as of yesterday.. If I can help.. The local Worryhouses up here.. Botany/Manukau/Pakuranga, only stock SKC LX normals.. which are not too bad BTW. Our Daughter works for the local TDK agent, and I can vouch for the fact that they are no longer carrying any significant stock of any tapes due to very sloooow turnover. (missed out by a whisker on burgling their last remaining MA stocks :o{ ),.... hence buying retail from Sounds etc. I haven't tried the TEAC HDX ( that is an older formulation from memory), though do have a few CDX normals left.. need the bias turned down a tad to get the best out of them, but are quite OK and I guess this would be the same for the HDX's. Haven't had any shell issues with TEAC's myself, but I don't have that many. TDK SA's would be the best chromes for your CR1, otherwise you would possibly need a model with bias trim facility to get the best out of the HDX's. Personally I wouldn't bother with running Metals through the CR1, no real advantage over a good chrome at this level of 2 head.; at least that is what I find with my similar BX series decks. You can get the occassional new tape bargain on "Trade Me" as others are quitting their stocks. Also I am investigating bringing in a small quantity of Quantegy 472's to try in light of Kermit's recommendation, but haven't had any luck yet with either of the two potential sources I was referred onto to..no response at all... both in OZ BTW. If I do manage to score some, I'll let you know how they go though my 'parts CR1A'. other Kiwi Nakkers will no doubt chip in with what is available in their regions. Cheers, Martin From kby at alumni.caltech.edu Tue Jan 3 01:46:09 2006 From: kby at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 16:46:09 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Looking for parts... Message-ID: OK, I know I'm not going to get a lot of sympathy on these, but I'm looking for a couple of cosmetic parts (knobs) for two different Naks. I also know the chances are slim, but here goes: y The first is a gold level slider knob for a 1000ZXL limited. It's actually either molded or painted plastic; if I can't find one hopefullly I can use a black one and spray paint it (any one know a good match?). The second is a bias/level knob for a Dragon. I was told by ESL it isn't the same as the ZX-7/ZX-9 which look similar; I wouldn't mind confirmation or denial of this. Thanks!-kby From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Jan 3 14:46:44 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 08:46:44 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Happy New Year! The Tale of The Pirate Nakamichi In-Reply-To: <43B9B854.2080109@woods-and-waters.com> References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531DC63@mis-exchange.necau.nec.com.au> <43B9B854.2080109@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <43BA8044.9060700@rcn.com> Excellent piece, Kermit. Brought back so many memories... Happy new year to you, too. -- Ron Kermit V. Gray wrote: > A New Year always makes me nostalgic. In the spirit of New Year's > nostalgia, I give you the true story of the Pirate Nakamichi 550. > > I don’t know about you guys, but I miss the 1970s. I think I had more > fun back then, in many ways. Younger and stupider, probably. Ah well. > Today, I wonder if it’s possible to have as much fun as you could in > years past. > > Take 1977, for example. > > I had just graduated high school and had the summer off to have fun. So > what did I do? Take a vacation to the beach to get chicks, or hang out > at the arcades or the race track like my friends did? No, I built a > pirate radio station and went on the air as "Radio Free Whoever" briefly > during the summer of 1977. My friend Alan, my first-ever girlfriend, > Sara, and I made this our summer project together. We ran it out of a > HUGE brown 1970 Dodge A-100 van. I called my on-air persona "Cap'n > Demo." Sara was "Miss Information" and Alan was simply, "Hey, you." > > The station included a homemade AM transmitter built out of a 6L6 (a > black metal can RCA) in a plate transformer modulated Class C final > stage, with a 6V6 (the metal can type) set up as the local oscillator > (crystal controlled for stability) and a surplus 6J5GT for the AF amp. > My transmitter started life as a PA amp I had made for my failed attempt > at starting a band in high school. I used the carcass of a discarded > Western Electric amplifier (don’t know the model) I “rescued” from a > dumpster [rubbish tip] behind a movie theater that was remodeling. I’d > gotten bored with the amp and rebuilt it to become the AM transmitter. > The setup put out about 100 watts effective radiated power -- thanks to > an efficient antenna. Coverage at night was surpisingly good. I like AM > Radio (or, medium wave, for our non-USA friends). > > Source gear was a Bogen CDM mixer , Dual 1218, a Panasonic 8-track > recorder, and my Nakamichi 550. My on-air mic was a really scratched up > ElectroVoice 664 (still have it). Not particularly hi-fi; I picked the > mic because it looked cool and was built like a tank. Actually, a fairly > professional setup. Power was provided by a military surplus dynamotor, > and we could stay on the air for about six hours with a pair of 12-volt > car batteries. That’s why I like the military -- all the cool and useful > stuff you can buy surplus. I wanted the station to sound good and didn’t > have a modulation monitor scope or an AGC, so I watched the mixer’s > VU-meter really closely. I had calibrated the meter such that 0-VU > equaled 90% modulation. > > "Radio Free Whoever" broadcast at first usually on 666 kc, but then we > found out some of the then-new "phase locked loop tuning" radios > couldn't tune to 666 kc, so we changed to 670 kc, unless that frequency > had another station on it, then we'd find whatever frequency was clear. > > We went on the air usually only on Friday or Saturday nights, but seldom > both, between the hours of 10:00 PM and whenever we got too sleepy to > stay up, or whenever Sara felt she needed to sneak home before her > parents caught her out late (she owned the van). It sort of depended on > what the local TV station broadcast Friday night. KCMO TV-5 aired old > sci-fi and horror movies at 10:30 PM, calling it the “Creature Feature”. > So, if it was a good movie (like Creature From The Black Lagoon) we’d > watch the movie and go on the air Saturday. > > The format was, to be polite, eclectic: it may be a movement of > Beethoven's 6th, followed by Toto's Hydra, followed by Glenn Miller in > the Mood, followed by Simon & Garfunkel, or jazz, or part of a record > played backward, then Borodin's Polovtsian Dances, then Chicago or the > Moody Blues, then some psychodelia or the Monkees, Little Richard, then > The 1812 Festival Overture Op, 49. We’d play anything, any genre of > music, old 78s, even kids songs (and sing along with the kids’ songs). > Sometimes, I’d play parts of band demo tapes I’d made or local live > music I had recorded with the Nakamichi 550. You never knew what you’d > hear! It worked out that I’d sign on with a short version of > Tchaichovsky’s “Capriccio Italien” and sign off with Strauss’ “The > Radetsky March”. > > Once while hanging out at a local stereo shop waiting for sara to get > off work, I overhead two guys talking about the station. Seems they’d > come across it by accident and thought it was hilarious. First, one guy > remarked how god the sound was (that made me happy!). One guy remarked > the thing he enjoyed most wasn’t the music, it was listening to “the DJ > and the chick” argue about what to play next (Sara and I would get into > real arguments over what to play next and would be oblivious to the open > mic -- and then Sara would get flustered as she’d realize the mic had > been open and everyone had overheard). The other guy said he enjoyed > when the record would run out and you could hear somebody rummaging > around trying to get the next record started quickly; sometimes you’d > hear the girl giggling. They both mused that probably “the DJ and the > chick had been making out” and lost track of the time. Give that guy a > prize! > > After the first month, Alan quit to spend nights with his first-ever > girlfriend, Becky. So it was just me and Sara. And the warm summer > nights. And the starry skies. Very cool. > > Ah the summer of 1977. > From kenkirk at gte.net Tue Jan 3 15:45:36 2006 From: kenkirk at gte.net (Ken Kirkpatrick) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 08:45:36 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Happy New Year! The Tale of The Pirate Nakamichi Message-ID: <43BA8E10.3020300@gte.net> Kermit said: "A New Year always makes me nostalgic. In the spirit of New Year's nostalgia, I give you the true story of the Pirate Nakamichi 550. I don’t know about you guys, but I miss the 1970s. I think I had more fun back then, in many ways. Younger and stupider, probably. Ah well. Today, I wonder if it’s possible to have as much fun as you could in years past." snip Ken replies: Nice story Kermit. Very cool way to spend the summer. I got out of high school the next year. I remember those days well and agree. It was a great period of time to be able to play. Of course music was a big deal to many of us back then and we all enjoyed our vinyl and 8 tracks. I got my first set of Klipsch speakers the summer of 78 and had people over all summer long to hear the new Stones lp on them. Anyway, so what happened to Sara?? Very cool chick that would hang out and play dj with you! Also, did the FCC ever make any noise over your little station? Happy New Year, Ken From alex at autoconsortium.com Tue Jan 3 17:23:27 2006 From: alex at autoconsortium.com (Alex Cagann) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 10:23:27 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] preamp wanted Message-ID: <200601031523.k03FNrCT004038@kropotkin.circlecity.net> Hello all. If anyone has an old preamp lying around, I need it for a secondary system. Email me with what it is and the price. I'd rather get it around here than on the bay. Alex From rob at rhoag.com Tue Jan 3 17:30:40 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 08:30:40 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Happy New Year! The Tale of The Pirate Nakamichi In-Reply-To: <43B9B854.2080109@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: What a great story, thanks for sharing that... do you know where your Sara is today? Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 3:34 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Happy New Year! The Tale of The Pirate Nakamichi A New Year always makes me nostalgic. In the spirit of New Year's nostalgia, I give you the true story of the Pirate Nakamichi 550. I don’t know about you guys, but I miss the 1970s. I think I had more fun back then, in many ways. Younger and stupider, probably. Ah well. Today, I wonder if it’s possible to have as much fun as you could in years past. Take 1977, for example. I had just graduated high school and had the summer off to have fun. So what did I do? Take a vacation to the beach to get chicks, or hang out at the arcades or the race track like my friends did? No, I built a pirate radio station and went on the air as "Radio Free Whoever" briefly during the summer of 1977. My friend Alan, my first-ever girlfriend, Sara, and I made this our summer project together. We ran it out of a HUGE brown 1970 Dodge A-100 van. I called my on-air persona "Cap'n Demo." Sara was "Miss Information" and Alan was simply, "Hey, you." The station included a homemade AM transmitter built out of a 6L6 (a black metal can RCA) in a plate transformer modulated Class C final stage, with a 6V6 (the metal can type) set up as the local oscillator (crystal controlled for stability) and a surplus 6J5GT for the AF amp. My transmitter started life as a PA amp I had made for my failed attempt at starting a band in high school. I used the carcass of a discarded Western Electric amplifier (don’t know the model) I “rescued” from a dumpster [rubbish tip] behind a movie theater that was remodeling. I’d gotten bored with the amp and rebuilt it to become the AM transmitter. The setup put out about 100 watts effective radiated power -- thanks to an efficient antenna. Coverage at night was surpisingly good. I like AM Radio (or, medium wave, for our non-USA friends). Source gear was a Bogen CDM mixer , Dual 1218, a Panasonic 8-track recorder, and my Nakamichi 550. My on-air mic was a really scratched up ElectroVoice 664 (still have it). Not particularly hi-fi; I picked the mic because it looked cool and was built like a tank. Actually, a fairly professional setup. Power was provided by a military surplus dynamotor, and we could stay on the air for about six hours with a pair of 12-volt car batteries. That’s why I like the military -- all the cool and useful stuff you can buy surplus. I wanted the station to sound good and didn’t have a modulation monitor scope or an AGC, so I watched the mixer’s VU-meter really closely. I had calibrated the meter such that 0-VU equaled 90% modulation. "Radio Free Whoever" broadcast at first usually on 666 kc, but then we found out some of the then-new "phase locked loop tuning" radios couldn't tune to 666 kc, so we changed to 670 kc, unless that frequency had another station on it, then we'd find whatever frequency was clear. We went on the air usually only on Friday or Saturday nights, but seldom both, between the hours of 10:00 PM and whenever we got too sleepy to stay up, or whenever Sara felt she needed to sneak home before her parents caught her out late (she owned the van). It sort of depended on what the local TV station broadcast Friday night. KCMO TV-5 aired old sci-fi and horror movies at 10:30 PM, calling it the “Creature Feature”. So, if it was a good movie (like Creature From The Black Lagoon) we’d watch the movie and go on the air Saturday. The format was, to be polite, eclectic: it may be a movement of Beethoven's 6th, followed by Toto's Hydra, followed by Glenn Miller in the Mood, followed by Simon & Garfunkel, or jazz, or part of a record played backward, then Borodin's Polovtsian Dances, then Chicago or the Moody Blues, then some psychodelia or the Monkees, Little Richard, then The 1812 Festival Overture Op, 49. We’d play anything, any genre of music, old 78s, even kids songs (and sing along with the kids’ songs). Sometimes, I’d play parts of band demo tapes I’d made or local live music I had recorded with the Nakamichi 550. You never knew what you’d hear! It worked out that I’d sign on with a short version of Tchaichovsky’s “Capriccio Italien” and sign off with Strauss’ “The Radetsky March”. Once while hanging out at a local stereo shop waiting for sara to get off work, I overhead two guys talking about the station. Seems they’d come across it by accident and thought it was hilarious. First, one guy remarked how god the sound was (that made me happy!). One guy remarked the thing he enjoyed most wasn’t the music, it was listening to “the DJ and the chick” argue about what to play next (Sara and I would get into real arguments over what to play next and would be oblivious to the open mic -- and then Sara would get flustered as she’d realize the mic had been open and everyone had overheard). The other guy said he enjoyed when the record would run out and you could hear somebody rummaging around trying to get the next record started quickly; sometimes you’d hear the girl giggling. They both mused that probably “the DJ and the chick had been making out” and lost track of the time. Give that guy a prize! After the first month, Alan quit to spend nights with his first-ever girlfriend, Becky. So it was just me and Sara. And the warm summer nights. And the starry skies. Very cool. Ah the summer of 1977. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From earthrite at gn.apc.org Tue Jan 3 19:10:12 2006 From: earthrite at gn.apc.org (earthrite at gn.apc.org) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 18:10:12 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Scottish Nak 481z gratefully wipes custard off his face and bulk tape buying proposal. Message-ID: Dear Henk , Tim and Norman Thats such good news. I thank you ...... the logic of the idea slightly defeats me ..... ie no clik off at the end of a tapes etc. and so, on inserting another tape the 481 continues to carry out the last order .......... which generally isnt what this person wants for the next tape! however its just an 'incongruity' I will adapt too ........ In my ignorance I was concerned the motor or belts were engaged and 'sufferring' in some way ....... Im glad I put my concerns about this matter in a gentle way to B&W as they have done an admirable job on the deck...... as I say when I switch it on and it warms up it starts smelling like a piece of new kit! Quite often it startles me as previously unheard info fills the room. A final question to my fellow 48 series friends. Does the bias adjust knob on the 481z have a useful role to play without a calibration tape in the machine or do I use my ears whilst listening? ....... I dont have a users manual located yet? I ask because I look forward to getting to record my own music playing very much and am looking for a bargain in the microphone dept. to replace my Sony Electret Condenser and Stereo One point mikes! I could replace the diaphragms on the stereo mike ....... but I may be indulging in deck chairs moving on the Titanic there ......Anyone in the UK have any better quality mikes for sale? Going back the 481z ................ curiously the new sound whilst no doubt technically at an optimum point being all recalibrated etc. is more 'laid back' in some way then when it left ......... perhaps I have to let the new bits it 'burn in' to cite some modern hi fi folklore......... it sounds generally warmer less cd like ......... ( not a bad thing some will say ) and more like a tape ..........ie analogue ........... whereas before the deck was all messed up mechanically it sounded ridiculously good and uniquely clear....... even my wife from other rooms would say ...... thats good Ian ...... what are we listening too? as old tapes were slotted in and out. One day i would love to hear someones cr7 or ZX 9 or the Dragon, 1000's, 700 etc......... to see how the sound developed and yet stayed the same ......... I wondered with various members struggling for new tapes ...... is there anyone amongst us who can buy (wholesale ) a box or so of blank and agreed upon cassettes which we could divide up to subscribers to this scheme? ......... We have sufficient numbers to make it doable and cost effective, IMHO one would save on buying costs loose on postage but hey one ends up with a bulk supply the tapes one wants...... just a thought ...... maybe we could set up a web page just selling cassette blank new tapes that we rate highly .maybe with minimum orders of 5 or 10 tapes to reduce inconvenience...... in the UK I would be prepared to assist being free of ( alas ) most other responsibilities. In the world as it often sounds on the news etc these days I am very grateful indeed to have time and space to have this hobby and pleasure..... its also nice to be able to share ones interests and as thru such a forum be advised that i have a perfectly working machine. Brilliant peace Ian Scotland From graker at woods-and-waters.com Tue Jan 3 20:02:41 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 13:02:41 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs In-Reply-To: <36245BEF-C67E-4CC8-9B3E-B3FB7953FE10@qwest.net> References: <36245BEF-C67E-4CC8-9B3E-B3FB7953FE10@qwest.net> Message-ID: <43BACA51.8080104@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Jon, Jon Ochi wrote: > Dr. Dub, > > I tried boosting the Bias and the Level up 1.5 (one light + on blinking > light as per your directions) on my Nak ZX7. The results of that small > change really surprised me. The sound seems much clearer especially in > the midrange and upper midrange. I do not know the audiophile way to > describe the sound except to say that it is more lively--perhaps > because of the apparent boost to the mid/upper midrange. Bias level affects both frequency response and distortion. Apparently, you now have the setting that provides the lowest distortion and widest frequency response. > The other > discovery is that when I play that tape in the car, I can enjoy the > tape at a noticeably lower volume level. The sound just cuts through > the road noise much better. The low level sound retrieval is much > improved. Well consider this: compare two hypothetical tapes: #1 has narrow frequency response and high distortion. #2 has wide frequency response and low distortion. Tape #2 obviously will sound clearer and so will be easier to hear clearly at lower playback levels. So, now that you've found the optimum bias for your deck, your tapes are clearer and you do not need to play them as loudly to hear everything. That's my theory, anyway. > So my question is, why did I hear these differences? Please explain in > layman's terms if you can because I do not understand technical > theories very well. > > Thanks for any light you can shed on this. I really like the "new" > sound so far and want to record some other music to further > experiment. But for now, I find it so fascinating that such a small > tweak can change the sound like it does. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Tue Jan 3 20:15:39 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?iso-8859-1?q?Antoine=20Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 14:15:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] Scottish Nak 481z gratefully wipes custard off his face and bulk tape buying proposal. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060103191539.92801.qmail@web36214.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Eek! Are there more dots than words in your post? Bulk tape buying proposal... interesting! Why not cassette shells and other parts like this? --- earthrite at gn.apc.org a écrit : > Dear Henk , Tim and Norman > > Thats such good news. I thank you ...... the logic > of the idea > slightly defeats me ..... ie no clik off at the end > of a tapes etc. > and so, on inserting another tape the 481 continues > to carry out the > last order .......... which generally isnt what this > person wants for > the next tape! > > however its just an 'incongruity' I will adapt too > ........ In my > ignorance I was concerned the motor or belts were > engaged and > 'sufferring' in some way ....... Im glad I put my > concerns about this > matter in a gentle way to B&W as they have done an > admirable job on > the deck...... as I say when I switch it on and it > warms up it starts > smelling like a piece of new kit! Quite often it > startles me as > previously unheard info fills the room. > > A final question to my fellow 48 series friends. > Does the bias adjust > knob on the 481z have a useful role to play without > a calibration > tape in the machine or do I use my ears whilst > listening? ....... I > dont have a users manual located yet? > > I ask because I look forward to getting to record my > own music > playing very much and am looking for a bargain in > the microphone > dept. to replace my Sony Electret Condenser and > Stereo One point > mikes! I could replace the diaphragms on the stereo > mike ....... but > I may be indulging in deck chairs moving on the > Titanic there > ......Anyone in the UK have any better quality mikes > for sale? > > Going back the 481z ................ curiously the > new sound whilst > no doubt technically at an optimum point being all > recalibrated etc. > is more 'laid back' in some way then when it left > ......... perhaps I > have to let the new bits it 'burn in' to cite some > modern hi fi > folklore......... it sounds generally warmer less cd > like ......... ( > not a bad thing some will say ) and more like a tape > ..........ie > analogue ........... whereas before the deck was all > messed up > mechanically it sounded ridiculously good and > uniquely clear....... > even my wife from other rooms would say ...... thats > good Ian ...... > what are we listening too? as old tapes were slotted > in and out. > > One day i would love to hear someones cr7 or ZX 9 > or the Dragon, > 1000's, 700 etc......... to see how the sound > developed and yet > stayed the same ......... > > I wondered with various members struggling for new > tapes ...... is > there anyone amongst us who can buy (wholesale ) a > box or so of blank > and agreed upon cassettes which we could divide up > to subscribers to > this scheme? ......... We have sufficient numbers to > make it doable > and cost effective, IMHO one would save on buying > costs loose on > postage but hey one ends up with a bulk supply the > tapes one > wants...... just a thought ...... maybe we could set > up a web page > just selling cassette blank new tapes that we rate > highly .maybe with > minimum orders of 5 or 10 tapes to reduce > inconvenience...... in the > UK I would be prepared to assist being free of ( > alas ) most other > responsibilities. > > In the world as it often sounds on the news etc > these days I am very > grateful indeed to have time and space to have this > hobby and > pleasure..... its also nice to be able to share ones > interests and as > thru such a forum be advised that i have a perfectly > working machine. > > Brilliant > > peace > Ian > Scotland Antoine Deschênes, antdes45 at yahoo.ca __________________________________________________________ Lèche-vitrine ou lèche-écran ? magasinage.yahoo.ca From graker at woods-and-waters.com Tue Jan 3 22:52:28 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 15:52:28 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Happy New Year! The Tale of The Pirate Nakamichi In-Reply-To: <43BA8E10.3020300@gte.net> References: <43BA8E10.3020300@gte.net> Message-ID: <43BAF21C.4050803@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Guys, Doane Hoag wrote: > What a great story, thanks for sharing that... do you know where your > Sara > is today? > Ken Kirkpatrick wrote: > Anyway, so what happened to Sara?? Very cool chick that would hang out > and play dj with you! Strange ending to the story on that point. We continued to date for a few more months, but by that winter we were seeing other people, but still seeing each other too. She kept wanting me to "get serious with my life", quit my audio work and get a "real job" with "a future," so that was a source of friction between us. Common suggestions were accountant, business manager or lawyer. Can you see me as any of those? Me either! Sara, interestingly enough, started dating (then married within five months) a fundamentalist evangelist -- and didn't want me to meet the guy for fear he "wouldn't understand" our past. Sara is still happily married to the evangelist, has five children (all of whom are grown now), but I haven't seen her since we finally split up in 1979 (Or was it 1980? I forget for sure). No hard feelings, we parted on good terms and I still enjoy memories of that summer. > Ken Kirkpatrick wrote: > Nice story Kermit. Very cool way to spend the summer. I got out of high > school the next year. I remember those days well and agree. It was a > great period of time to be able to play. Of course music was a big deal > to many of us back then and we all enjoyed our vinyl and 8 tracks. I got > my first set of Klipsch speakers the summer of 78 and had people over > all summer long to hear the new Stones lp on them. Oh, so cool! I got my first Klipsch in 1977, a pair of Heresy. My Klipsch La Scalas came in 1980. What model were your Klipsch? Whaddya mean music WAS a big deal...still is for me! (Joking) > Also, did the FCC ever make any noise over your little station? No, I was really careful not to interfere with any licensed station, didn't do anything offensive on-air, didn't stay on-air long, and didn't blast my signal everywhere. Although I was sure we'd get busted. I'm sure the FCC picked my station up on one of their listening posts, but I have a feeling they just got a good laugh off of it. But I have a feeling if I tried it today I'd get busted overnight. I heard about one guy that summer who built a two-kilowatt rig, erected a 100-foot tower antenna, and blasted his signal so it could be heard all over the central USA at night. He went on air every night and broadcast all sorts of stupid racist hatemongering. The FCC had him closed down in just a few days. Good riddance. In those days, I think the FCC let it pass as long as you weren't causing any trouble. Ron wrote: > > Excellent piece, Kermit. Brought back so many > memories... Happy new year to you, too. Hey, Happy new Year to you and the rest of the Naktalk gang! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From rondo at nottltd.com Tue Jan 3 23:49:51 2006 From: rondo at nottltd.com (Ron Walton) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 15:49:51 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Happy New Year! The Tale of The Pirate Nakamichi References: Message-ID: <03ab01c610b8$036d27f0$6401a8c0@Rondo> Kermit, Are you an Amateur Operator as well? For some, that would be a Ham Radio Operator I suppose. Ron W. What a great story, thanks for sharing that... do you know where your Sara is today? Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 3:34 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Happy New Year! The Tale of The Pirate Nakamichi A New Year always makes me nostalgic. In the spirit of New Year's nostalgia, I give you the true story of the Pirate Nakamichi 550. I don’t know about you guys, but I miss the 1970s. I think I had more fun back then, in many ways. Younger and stupider, probably. Ah well. Today, I wonder if it’s possible to have as much fun as you could in years past. Take 1977, for example. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rondo at nottltd.com Wed Jan 4 00:13:10 2006 From: rondo at nottltd.com (Ron Walton) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:13:10 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs References: <36245BEF-C67E-4CC8-9B3E-B3FB7953FE10@qwest.net> <43BACA51.8080104@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <03ee01c610bb$43a31d90$6401a8c0@Rondo> I understand the bias adjustment and how it affects frequency response. A musician friend many years ago told he he thought that Nakamichi had their bias set "too hot", which results in a softening of the the treble and upper treble. To compensate, when listening to chrome tapes, I set the EQ to 120us. Even for playback of the few metal tapes that I have, the treble sounds right when I set the EQ to 120. Do any of you do the same on a routine basis? Perhaps I am the only one? I have been listening this way for a very long time with my CR-7. Just purchased a ebay CR-3 and it sounds better with chrome tapes set to 120 us too. The CR-7 has been to the shop for calibration many times and it always sounds this way. To summarize, chrome tapes played at the proper EQ of 70us sound too dark, what some of you call a warm sound. When comparing the source to the tape, the treble is not even close until I switch the EQ to 120us. Comments?????? Ron W. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kermit V. Gray To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs Hi Jon, Jon Ochi wrote: > Dr. Dub, > > I tried boosting the Bias and the Level up 1.5 (one light + on blinking > light as per your directions) on my Nak ZX7. The results of that small > change really surprised me. The sound seems much clearer especially in > the midrange and upper midrange. I do not know the audiophile way to > describe the sound except to say that it is more lively--perhaps > because of the apparent boost to the mid/upper midrange. Bias level affects both frequency response and distortion. Apparently, you now have the setting that provides the lowest distortion and widest frequency response. > The other > discovery is that when I play that tape in the car, I can enjoy the > tape at a noticeably lower volume level. The sound just cuts through > the road noise much better. The low level sound retrieval is much > improved. Well consider this: compare two hypothetical tapes: #1 has narrow frequency response and high distortion. #2 has wide frequency response and low distortion. Tape #2 obviously will sound clearer and so will be easier to hear clearly at lower playback levels. So, now that you've found the optimum bias for your deck, your tapes are clearer and you do not need to play them as loudly to hear everything. That's my theory, anyway. > So my question is, why did I hear these differences? Please explain in > layman's terms if you can because I do not understand technical > theories very well. > > Thanks for any light you can shed on this. I really like the "new" > sound so far and want to record some other music to further > experiment. But for now, I find it so fascinating that such a small > tweak can change the sound like it does. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rondo at nottltd.com Wed Jan 4 00:27:17 2006 From: rondo at nottltd.com (Ron Walton) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:27:17 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs References: <36245BEF-C67E-4CC8-9B3E-B3FB7953FE10@qwest.net> <43BACA51.8080104@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <043201c610bd$3c8684f0$6401a8c0@Rondo> I understand the bias adjustment and how it affects frequency response. A musician friend many years ago told he he thought that Nakamichi had their bias set "too hot", which results in a softening of the the treble and upper treble. To compensate, when listening to chrome tapes, I set the EQ to 120us. Even for playback of the few metal tapes that I have, the treble sounds right when I set the EQ to 120. Do any of you do the same on a routine basis? Perhaps I am the only one? I have been listening this way for a very long time with my CR-7. Just purchased a ebay CR-3 and it sounds better with chrome tapes set to 120 us too. The CR-7 has been to the shop for calibration many times and it always sounds this way. To summarize, chrome tapes played at the proper EQ of 70us sound too dark, what some of you call a warm sound. When comparing the source to the tape, the treble is not even close until I switch the EQ to 120us. Comments?????? Ron W. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kermit V. Gray To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs Hi Jon, Jon Ochi wrote: > Dr. Dub, > > I tried boosting the Bias and the Level up 1.5 (one light + on blinking > light as per your directions) on my Nak ZX7. The results of that small > change really surprised me. The sound seems much clearer especially in > the midrange and upper midrange. I do not know the audiophile way to > describe the sound except to say that it is more lively--perhaps > because of the apparent boost to the mid/upper midrange. Bias level affects both frequency response and distortion. Apparently, you now have the setting that provides the lowest distortion and widest frequency response. > The other > discovery is that when I play that tape in the car, I can enjoy the > tape at a noticeably lower volume level. The sound just cuts through > the road noise much better. The low level sound retrieval is much > improved. Well consider this: compare two hypothetical tapes: #1 has narrow frequency response and high distortion. #2 has wide frequency response and low distortion. Tape #2 obviously will sound clearer and so will be easier to hear clearly at lower playback levels. So, now that you've found the optimum bias for your deck, your tapes are clearer and you do not need to play them as loudly to hear everything. That's my theory, anyway. > So my question is, why did I hear these differences? Please explain in > layman's terms if you can because I do not understand technical > theories very well. > > Thanks for any light you can shed on this. I really like the "new" > sound so far and want to record some other music to further > experiment. But for now, I find it so fascinating that such a small > tweak can change the sound like it does. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rondo at nottltd.com Wed Jan 4 00:28:19 2006 From: rondo at nottltd.com (Ron Walton) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:28:19 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Happy New Year! The Tale of The Pirate Nakamichi References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531DC63@mis-exchange.necau.nec.com.au> <43B9B854.2080109@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <043801c610bd$6890a0d0$6401a8c0@Rondo> Kermit, Are you an Amateur Operator as well? For some, that would be a Ham Radio Operator I suppose. Ron W. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kermit V. Gray To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 4:33 PM Subject: [naktalk] Happy New Year! The Tale of The Pirate Nakamichi A New Year always makes me nostalgic. In the spirit of New Year's nostalgia, I give you the true story of the Pirate Nakamichi 550. I don’t know about you guys, but I miss the 1970s. I think I had more fun back then, in many ways. Younger and stupider, probably. Ah well. Today, I wonder if it’s possible to have as much fun as you could in years past. Take 1977, for example. I had just graduated high school and had the summer off to have fun. So what did I do? Take a vacation to the beach to get chicks, or hang out at the arcades or the race track like my friends did? No, I built a pirate radio station and went on the air as "Radio Free Whoever" briefly during the summer of 1977. My friend Alan, my first-ever girlfriend, Sara, and I made this our summer project together. We ran it out of a HUGE brown 1970 Dodge A-100 van. I called my on-air persona "Cap'n Demo." Sara was "Miss Information" and Alan was simply, "Hey, you." The station included a homemade AM transmitter built out of a 6L6 (a black metal can RCA) in a plate transformer modulated Class C final stage, with a 6V6 (the metal can type) set up as the local oscillator (crystal controlled for stability) and a surplus 6J5GT for the AF amp. My transmitter started life as a PA amp I had made for my failed attempt at starting a band in high school. I used the carcass of a discarded Western Electric amplifier (don’t know the model) I “rescued” from a dumpster [rubbish tip] behind a movie theater that was remodeling. I’d gotten bored with the amp and rebuilt it to become the AM transmitter. The setup put out about 100 watts effective radiated power -- thanks to an efficient antenna. Coverage at night was surpisingly good. I like AM Radio (or, medium wave, for our non-USA friends). Source gear was a Bogen CDM mixer , Dual 1218, a Panasonic 8-track recorder, and my Nakamichi 550. My on-air mic was a really scratched up ElectroVoice 664 (still have it). Not particularly hi-fi; I picked the mic because it looked cool and was built like a tank. Actually, a fairly professional setup. Power was provided by a military surplus dynamotor, and we could stay on the air for about six hours with a pair of 12-volt car batteries. That’s why I like the military -- all the cool and useful stuff you can buy surplus. I wanted the station to sound good and didn’t have a modulation monitor scope or an AGC, so I watched the mixer’s VU-meter really closely. I had calibrated the meter such that 0-VU equaled 90% modulation. "Radio Free Whoever" broadcast at first usually on 666 kc, but then we found out some of the then-new "phase locked loop tuning" radios couldn't tune to 666 kc, so we changed to 670 kc, unless that frequency had another station on it, then we'd find whatever frequency was clear. We went on the air usually only on Friday or Saturday nights, but seldom both, between the hours of 10:00 PM and whenever we got too sleepy to stay up, or whenever Sara felt she needed to sneak home before her parents caught her out late (she owned the van). It sort of depended on what the local TV station broadcast Friday night. KCMO TV-5 aired old sci-fi and horror movies at 10:30 PM, calling it the “Creature Feature”. So, if it was a good movie (like Creature From The Black Lagoon) we’d watch the movie and go on the air Saturday. The format was, to be polite, eclectic: it may be a movement of Beethoven's 6th, followed by Toto's Hydra, followed by Glenn Miller in the Mood, followed by Simon & Garfunkel, or jazz, or part of a record played backward, then Borodin's Polovtsian Dances, then Chicago or the Moody Blues, then some psychodelia or the Monkees, Little Richard, then The 1812 Festival Overture Op, 49. We’d play anything, any genre of music, old 78s, even kids songs (and sing along with the kids’ songs). Sometimes, I’d play parts of band demo tapes I’d made or local live music I had recorded with the Nakamichi 550. You never knew what you’d hear! It worked out that I’d sign on with a short version of Tchaichovsky’s “Capriccio Italien” and sign off with Strauss’ “The Radetsky March”. Once while hanging out at a local stereo shop waiting for sara to get off work, I overhead two guys talking about the station. Seems they’d come across it by accident and thought it was hilarious. First, one guy remarked how god the sound was (that made me happy!). One guy remarked the thing he enjoyed most wasn’t the music, it was listening to “the DJ and the chick” argue about what to play next (Sara and I would get into real arguments over what to play next and would be oblivious to the open mic -- and then Sara would get flustered as she’d realize the mic had been open and everyone had overheard). The other guy said he enjoyed when the record would run out and you could hear somebody rummaging around trying to get the next record started quickly; sometimes you’d hear the girl giggling. They both mused that probably “the DJ and the chick had been making out” and lost track of the time. Give that guy a prize! After the first month, Alan quit to spend nights with his first-ever girlfriend, Becky. So it was just me and Sara. And the warm summer nights. And the starry skies. Very cool. Ah the summer of 1977. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From flifton at mac.com Wed Jan 4 01:20:14 2006 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:20:14 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: How many turns to adjust Azimuth on ZX7 / ZX9 In-Reply-To: <200601021524.k02FO2Gk023875@zxe.naks.com> References: <200601021524.k02FO2Gk023875@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <626EE18A-C557-46CE-9CDC-0909C66C1D3B@mac.com> On my ESL rebuilt ZX7, I find I have to turn the azimuth adjust knob quite slowly and then wait for it to "catch up." It never takes more than about 1/2 turn or so to find the correct adjustment. Going slowly and waiting is the key. Good things take time... Happy New Year Nakkers! cheers, Fred On Jan 2, 2006, at 7:24 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > From: Sándor István > Date: January 2, 2006 3:30:42 AM PST > To: thole at planet.nl, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] How many turns to adjust Azimuth on ZX7 / ZX9 > Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > Hello Superthol, > > the ZX-series are very nice units (my opinion). > > My opinion also (some may not agree) that record head azimuth > justage is a more important factor, than playback azimuth > correction (supposed you make recordings on your deck, and usually > listen to cassettes made on properly aligned decks). If you make > your own records, and you use different kind of cassettes, it is a > must to have this feature. I admit my RX-505 plays nice also, but > far from recording capabilities of my ZX-7, because record azimuth > correction is not provided (and some other calibration features > also missing), it is a big handycap. > > As the recording head azimuth setting procedure is based on the > playback-head response it is vital your playback section MUST be > set correctly first. Otherwise all is for nothing, you MAY make > recordings sound good on your (the same) machine, but they will be > mostly poor on other units. > > The azimuth-justage is mechanical. A small worm-gear moves a steel > tape (which is fitted in a ladder-like blue plastic), and this > steel tape moves the recording head. > Be very careful with setting the azimuth, as the connection between > the worm-gear and the steel tape is quite weak, and it may happen > they will disengage. Then you have to repair it... > For this reason I heavily recommend to use the azimuth-knob very > gently, do not turn it fast (let it settle), and do not turn it > over (I have no data what is the range of the knob, and to be > honest I do not have the intention to risk a try also). > > If you feel that the knob is stopped, under no circumstances turn > it with force. > > Happy New Year! :-) > > István > Ps.: ZX-7/9 have NO playback-azimuth correction feature. You must > have a CR7, a Dragon, or a 680 series deck (am I right?) for this > purpose. It is important only if you listen "alien" cassettes also. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dubsyndrome at hotmail.com Wed Jan 4 11:08:25 2006 From: dubsyndrome at hotmail.com (Dr. Dub) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 10:08:25 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs Message-ID: Hi y'all, well, I must say that I performed the 70-120 'trick' for Cr02 and Metal tapes before I even had the $ to aquire my first Nakamichi. It seems to work the same on standard decks. Headroom and high frequ. do indeed sound more natural then. Kermit: of course I should have mentioned to do this on a ZX-7 as well; I guess TvdH performed a similar mod. on my CR-7 (back in the days when I still had it) in the settings of the autocal.comp., giving a similar result. However, I've never checked the 'improved car sound' and stuff, reminds me that i still have an old rd260 plus pa301 lying around, about time to equip my rover tomcat with those innit;-) Will let you know how that works out, best - dub From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Jan 4 10:07:54 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 09:07:54 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: How many turns to adjust Azimuth on ZX7 / ZX9 Message-ID: Hi Fred! Similarly I do with my Dragon..., for Level & Bias adjustments, really works!!! Bravo for your cute input!!! Have a wonderful 2006! Greetings, ALEX! >From: Fred Lifton >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Re: How many turns to adjust Azimuth on ZX7 / ZX9 >Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:20:14 -0800 > >On my ESL rebuilt ZX7, I find I have to turn the azimuth adjust knob quite >slowly and then wait for it to "catch up." It never takes more than about >1/2 turn or so to find the correct adjustment. Going slowly and waiting is >the key. Good things take time... > >Happy New Year Nakkers! >cheers, >Fred > >On Jan 2, 2006, at 7:24 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > >>From: S�ndor Istv�n >>Date: January 2, 2006 3:30:42 AM PST >>To: thole at planet.nl, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] How many turns to adjust Azimuth on ZX7 / ZX9 >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> >> >>Hello Superthol, >> >>the ZX-series are very nice units (my opinion). >> >>My opinion also (some may not agree) that record head azimuth justage is >>a more important factor, than playback azimuth correction (supposed you >>make recordings on your deck, and usually listen to cassettes made on >>properly aligned decks). If you make your own records, and you use >>different kind of cassettes, it is a must to have this feature. I admit >>my RX-505 plays nice also, but far from recording capabilities of my >>ZX-7, because record azimuth correction is not provided (and some other >>calibration features also missing), it is a big handycap. >> >>As the recording head azimuth setting procedure is based on the >>playback-head response it is vital your playback section MUST be set >>correctly first. Otherwise all is for nothing, you MAY make recordings >>sound good on your (the same) machine, but they will be mostly poor on >>other units. >> >>The azimuth-justage is mechanical. A small worm-gear moves a steel tape >>(which is fitted in a ladder-like blue plastic), and this steel tape >>moves the recording head. >>Be very careful with setting the azimuth, as the connection between the >>worm-gear and the steel tape is quite weak, and it may happen they will >>disengage. Then you have to repair it... >>For this reason I heavily recommend to use the azimuth-knob very gently, >>do not turn it fast (let it settle), and do not turn it over (I have no >>data what is the range of the knob, and to be honest I do not have the >>intention to risk a try also). >> >>If you feel that the knob is stopped, under no circumstances turn it with >>force. >> >>Happy New Year! :-) >> >>Istv�n >>Ps.: ZX-7/9 have NO playback-azimuth correction feature. You must have a >>CR7, a Dragon, or a 680 series deck (am I right?) for this purpose. It is >>important only if you listen "alien" cassettes also. > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From modernizy at netscape.net Wed Jan 4 10:24:06 2006 From: modernizy at netscape.net (modernizy at netscape.net) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 04:24:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX Chrome Tapes for Nakamichi Decks spectaculuar!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8C7DF27BE8C24C6-5E8-4D528@mblkn-m07.sysops.aol.com> Hello, I have some tapes you mentioned and my opinion of them is quite negative. These tapes are OEM-version of some other manufacturer as their cases look quite alike as some other cheap tapes (RAKS, etc.) They have a tremendous print-through effect and rather strong noise. They dirty tape heads very quick. I can't recommend them to use with Naks. They are much inferior than TDK SA or maxell UDII, let alone SA-X or XLII or XLII-S. With New Year greetings to everyone, Nicholas. -----Original Message----- From: felic dans To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 21:41:57 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX Chrome Tapes for Nakamichi Decks spectaculuar!! Hello Nak freaks, Anyone have any experience with old-school Akai GX Chrome tapes with Nakamichi Decks ? Reliability? Sound quality? construction? If available, how do they compare to the TDK SA-X or MAXELL XLII-S? ___________________________________________________ Try the New Netscape Mail Today! Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List http://mail.netscape.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Jan 4 10:26:21 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 09:26:21 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs Message-ID: Hi Ron! Please, first check WHY your mails came twice> Maybe you press send twice...once is OK! Regarding the EQ position. with my gifted Dragon...I use 120 EQ position ONLY when I hear cassettes recorded by my previous Kenwood KX-5010 a two heads deck. that when I be unable to afford an a brand new Nak deck, during the 90ties and till near two years ago, when I was gifted by my best friend with his used ONCE only Dragon, when he suddenly passed away. So as I collect many cassettes 99% Chrome types, recoded with such Kenwood deck, trough my received Dragon using 120 EQ sound just better, as with the recoded 70 EQ...is dull, of course all my recorded cassettes collection with the Kenwood unit was using Dolby "B" mostly, and only an a very few with "C" NR. (With my car affordable also Kenwood radio-tape, hearing cassettes with Dolby "C"...on my two heads Kenwood KX-5010...simple sound bad..., so I decided to use only type "B" when I will like to hear such recorded cassettes trough my car radio-tape unit!. Since I received the Dragon...I refuse to use ANY NR at ALL! Sounds so good with NO NR that also sound better or right (For my hears...of course!), trough my car radio-tape machine. Also..trough my Dragon I don't hear the necessary use of any type of NR..the NR very small bottom is OFF. I hope my dear Ron, that my comments will satisfied you!? Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Ron Walton" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: , "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >Decks" >Subject: Re: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs >Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:13:10 -0700 > >I understand the bias adjustment and how it affects frequency response. A >musician friend many years ago told he he thought that Nakamichi had their >bias set "too hot", which results in a softening of the the treble and >upper treble. To compensate, when listening to chrome tapes, I set the EQ >to 120us. Even for playback of the few metal tapes that I have, the treble >sounds right when I set the EQ to 120. Do any of you do the same on a >routine basis? Perhaps I am the only one? I have been listening this way >for a very long time with my CR-7. Just purchased a ebay CR-3 and it >sounds better with chrome tapes set to 120 us too. The CR-7 has been to >the shop for calibration many times and it always sounds this way. > >To summarize, chrome tapes played at the proper EQ of 70us sound too dark, >what some of you call a warm sound. When comparing the source to the tape, >the treble is not even close until I switch the EQ to 120us. > >Comments?????? > >Ron W. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kermit V. Gray > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 12:02 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs > > > Hi Jon, > > Jon Ochi wrote: > > Dr. Dub, > > > > I tried boosting the Bias and the Level up 1.5 (one light + on >blinking > > light as per your directions) on my Nak ZX7. The results of that >small > > change really surprised me. The sound seems much clearer especially >in > > the midrange and upper midrange. I do not know the audiophile way to > > describe the sound except to say that it is more lively--perhaps > > because of the apparent boost to the mid/upper midrange. > > Bias level affects both frequency response and distortion. Apparently, > you now have the setting that provides the lowest distortion and widest > frequency response. > > > The other > > discovery is that when I play that tape in the car, I can enjoy the > > tape at a noticeably lower volume level. The sound just cuts through > > the road noise much better. The low level sound retrieval is much > > improved. > > Well consider this: compare two hypothetical tapes: > > #1 has narrow frequency response and high distortion. > > #2 has wide frequency response and low distortion. > > Tape #2 obviously will sound clearer and so will be easier to hear > clearly at lower playback levels. > > So, now that you've found the optimum bias for your deck, your tapes are > clearer and you do not need to play them as loudly to hear everything. > > That's my theory, anyway. > > > So my question is, why did I hear these differences? Please explain >in > > layman's terms if you can because I do not understand technical > > theories very well. > > > > Thanks for any light you can shed on this. I really like the "new" > > sound so far and want to record some other music to further > > experiment. But for now, I find it so fascinating that such a small > > tweak can change the sound like it does. > > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From smbrandt at earthlink.net Wed Jan 4 06:23:28 2006 From: smbrandt at earthlink.net (Stephen Brandt) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 00:23:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 for sale Message-ID: I just listed my old Nakamichi 1000 tape deck on ebay. I had no idea where else to sell it, it is on now for sale. item #5849745821. It was new in 1974, a real good machine. I have another Nak , a silver one, not as old, works great. Boy these are awsome machines! Take a peek at the ebay listing, on for another 5 days. email with any questions please thanks Steve From katcadillac321 at hotmail.com Wed Jan 4 14:40:43 2006 From: katcadillac321 at hotmail.com (felic dans) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 08:40:43 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX Chrome Tapes for Nakamichi Decks spectaculuar!! In-Reply-To: <8C7DF27BE8C24C6-5E8-4D528@mblkn-m07.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Nicholas, Thank You for the informative input. Okay so there goes the idea of picking some up for cheap. I will resort to my trust Maxell XLii-S. What is the deal with those who argue that the Maxell XLii-S made in Japan is superior to those made in EU - England? Is this true? and for what reasons? What about the TDK SA-X made in England? Any problems? OR fine cassette? Thanks, Felix >From: modernizy at netscape.net >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX Chrome Tapes for Nakamichi Decks >spectaculuar!! >Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 04:24:06 -0500 > >Hello, > >I have some tapes you mentioned and my opinion of them is quite negative. >These tapes are OEM-version of some other manufacturer as their cases look >quite alike as some other cheap tapes (RAKS, etc.) They have a tremendous >print-through effect and rather strong noise. They dirty tape heads very >quick. > >I can't recommend them to use with Naks. > >They are much inferior than TDK SA or maxell UDII, let alone SA-X or XLII >or XLII-S. > >With New Year greetings to everyone, > >Nicholas. > >-----Original Message----- >From: felic dans >To: naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 21:41:57 -0500 >Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX Chrome Tapes for Nakamichi Decks spectaculuar!! > > >Hello Nak freaks, > >Anyone have any experience with old-school Akai GX Chrome tapes with >Nakamichi Decks ? > >Reliability? > >Sound quality? > >construction? > >If available, how do they compare to the TDK SA-X or MAXELL XLII-S? >___________________________________________________ >Try the New Netscape Mail Today! >Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List >http://mail.netscape.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kenkirk at gte.net Wed Jan 4 15:11:13 2006 From: kenkirk at gte.net (Ken Kirkpatrick) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 08:11:13 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Happy New Year! The Tale of The Pirate Message-ID: <43BBD781.5090707@gte.net> Kermit said: " Sara is still happily married to the evangelist, has five children (all of whom are grown now), but I haven't seen her since we finally split up in 1979 (Or was it 1980? I forget for sure). No hard feelings, we parted on good terms and I still enjoy memories of that summer." Ken says: Hmmm, maybe she was wanting to get into evangelical broadcasting! :-) Have you tuned around on a shortwave lately?? It is hard to find anything from the US that is not religious. Not that there is anything wrong with that. ( in the Jerry Seinfeld voice). Anyway, I bet she has fond memories of that summer too. Kermit asks: What model were your Klipsch? Ken says: Klipsch Heresy's also. When I was 16, I spent a couple of weeks one summer with my grandparents in Texarkana Texas. One day my grandfather came home from work and told me that since I had such a bug for music he was going to take me to see the best speakers in the world being built. So he drove me up to Hope Arkansas to the Klipsch factory. I met Paul, walked the factory floor, etc. I was amazed at testing and production processes. When I first heard the K horns, they played Head East "Never been any Reason" followed by ZZ top LaGrange using a Thorens table and Mac tube amps. They cranked it up loud. I had goose bumps on goose bumps. I was stunned. From that day on I wanted a system like that. So when I graduated from High School my grandfather gave me the cash to buy a used set of Hereseys. I still have them. They are loaned out to my mother in law. As the years went by I moved up to the Cornwalls and finally the K horns. I listen to Sonus Faber now, but when I throw a big party out doors, the Heresys are always put into action. A good turntable( or Nak), a good tube amp and tube preamp, and a pair of Klipsch horn loaded speakers will make music that is competitive with anything made today. IMHO... From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 4 16:48:42 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 07:48:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Happy New Year! The Tale of The Pirate In-Reply-To: <43BBD781.5090707@gte.net> Message-ID: <20060104154842.61531.qmail@web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Ken, What amps are using with the Heresy's? Regards Bala Ken Kirkpatrick wrote: Kermit said: " Sara is still happily married to the evangelist, has five children (all of whom are grown now), but I haven't seen her since we finally split up in 1979 (Or was it 1980? I forget for sure). No hard feelings, we parted on good terms and I still enjoy memories of that summer." Ken says: Hmmm, maybe she was wanting to get into evangelical broadcasting! :-) Have you tuned around on a shortwave lately?? It is hard to find anything from the US that is not religious. Not that there is anything wrong with that. ( in the Jerry Seinfeld voice). Anyway, I bet she has fond memories of that summer too. Kermit asks: What model were your Klipsch? Ken says: Klipsch Heresy's also. When I was 16, I spent a couple of weeks one summer with my grandparents in Texarkana Texas. One day my grandfather came home from work and told me that since I had such a bug for music he was going to take me to see the best speakers in the world being built. So he drove me up to Hope Arkansas to the Klipsch factory. I met Paul, walked the factory floor, etc. I was amazed at testing and production processes. When I first heard the K horns, they played Head East "Never been any Reason" followed by ZZ top LaGrange using a Thorens table and Mac tube amps. They cranked it up loud. I had goose bumps on goose bumps. I was stunned. From that day on I wanted a system like that. So when I graduated from High School my grandfather gave me the cash to buy a used set of Hereseys. I still have them. They are loaned out to my mother in law. As the years went by I moved up to the Cornwalls and finally the K horns. I listen to Sonus Faber now, but when I throw a big ! party out doors, the Heresys are always put into action. A good turntable( or Nak), a good tube amp and tube preamp, and a pair of Klipsch horn loaded speakers will make music that is competitive with anything made today. IMHO... ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rondo at nottltd.com Wed Jan 4 16:54:24 2006 From: rondo at nottltd.com (Ron Walton) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 08:54:24 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs References: <36245BEF-C67E-4CC8-9B3E-B3FB7953FE10@qwest.net> <43BACA51.8080104@woods-and-waters.com> <03ee01c610bb$43a31d90$6401a8c0@Rondo> <43BB486B.9020008@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <050601c61147$2429fec0$6401a8c0@Rondo> Kermit, Even the chrome tapes recorded on my CR-7 sound better when played back on the CR-7 when the switch is set for 120/us. I don't think the deck is miscalibrated. It is possible that I have left the EQ switch on 120/us while recording with chrome tape. I was under the impression that this was for playback EQ only, and besides, I have experimented with the EQ switch while monitoring a recording in progress. Could it be that the auto-calibrate function takes the EQ switch position into account when it does it's thing? The bias switch is set for Type II tape when I record. I know it is not the speakers, as I have Infinity RSIIb with famous EMIT tweeters. When I said the treble "was not even close", I suppose I exaggerate. It is close. But I can hear a major difference. I do not claim to have golden ears, but there is a difference. My emails showed up twice.... Yes, I wanted to respond yesterday to two different postings. I click on reply, compose message, send, and then realize it only goes to the person who sent the email. So I re-send by clicking on "Reply All". What is the correct way to reply to this list? I am still new here but have much enjoyed learning more about these amazing machines from the many of you who know them so well! Since reading yesterday about an "EQ" modification, I immediately found two different CR-7's on ebay which each claim to have the upgrade. What exactly is this EQ mod? Would it cure my perceived problem? What was the modification supposed to take care of? Ron W. Hi Ron, Ron Walton wrote: > I understand the bias adjustment and how it affects frequency response. > A musician friend many years ago told he he thought that Nakamichi had > their bias set "too hot", which results in a softening of the the treble > and upper treble. To compensate, when listening to chrome tapes, I set > the EQ to 120/us. / Even for playback of the few metal tapes that I > have, the treble sounds right when I set the EQ to 120. Do any of you > do the same on a routine basis? Perhaps I am the only one? I have been > listening this way for a very long time with my CR-7. Just purchased a > ebay CR-3 and it sounds better with chrome tapes set to 120 /us /too. > The CR-7 has been to the shop for calibration many times and it always > sounds this way. Ah. I misunderstood. Well, actually, I've never had this experience unless the recorder was miscalibrated. Very miscalibrated. I don't think Nakamichi sets their bias "too hot", but rather many of their decks, especially the older decks, use an EQ curve that differs from most other brands. The disparity of the Nak's and other decks' EQ curves is the likely cause of the "softening of the treble" when playing tapes made on other brands of cassette decks. Are you playing tapes made on non-Nakamichi cassette decks? If so, then the 120uS setting will brighten the sound of chrome tapes. Are you recording chrome tapes with the 120uS setting? I'm not trying to be stupid; some recordists do. Is so, the you'll need the 120uS setting, obviously? > // > To summarize, chrome tapes played at the proper EQ of 70/us /sound too > dark, what some of you call a warm sound. To me, a dark sound is subdued treble, as you describe; warm refers to the dominance of even-order harmonic distortion, not treble loss. > When comparing the source to > the tape, the treble is not even close until I switch the EQ to 120/us./ > // > Comments?????? Welll, I'm stumped. Unless, by some longshot chance, all your decks are out of calibration, or your speakers lack treble and the 120uS setting offsets those losses, or the deck's heads are far out of azimuth. Anyone else have a more-likely explanation? -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mbadar at esri.com Wed Jan 4 18:09:12 2006 From: mbadar at esri.com (Mike Badar) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 10:09:12 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Used LX-3 Message-ID: Greetings: I have an opportunity to purchase a used LX-3 for $299.00; it is available through Recycled Audio in Longmont, Colorado - http://www.recycledaudio.com/cp.html. What is your opinion on this deck and the asking price of $299? Thank you for your time. MJB From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jan 4 18:55:42 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 17:55:42 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX Chrome Tapes for Nakamichi Decks spectaculuar!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <00b401c61158$14c6b980$75c487d9@oemcomputer> The European TDK SA-X tapes in Europe were made in Holland, I think, not England. The cassette shells are not as good as those made in Japan and you may find (if you use a ZX-7/9) that you would need to re-set the azimuth between sides A and B. Others have also complained that the European made TDK SAs (including X?) are more prone to drop-outs than those from Japan. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of felic dans > Sent: 04 January 2006 13:41 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Cc: modernizy at netscape.net > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX Chrome Tapes for Nakamichi Decks > spectaculuar!! > > > Nicholas, > > Thank You for the informative input. Okay so there goes the idea > of picking > some up for cheap. I will resort to my trust Maxell XLii-S. What is the > deal with those who argue that the Maxell XLii-S made in Japan is > superior > to those made in EU - England? Is this true? and for what reasons? What > about the TDK SA-X made in England? Any problems? OR fine cassette? > > Thanks, > > Felix > From matt_ryde at lineone.net Wed Jan 4 21:04:52 2006 From: matt_ryde at lineone.net (Matt) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 20:04:52 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks Message-ID: <43BC2A64.5050401@lineone.net> Hi everyone. I am looking to dust off my old tape collection and delve into the dim dark past as i have come to the conclusion that i am better off adding a cassette player to my hi fi system than going out and replacing my dodgy taste in 70's and 80's music on cd. My system currently consists of an arcam cd73 running through an arcam alpha 9 amp into KEF q35's. My vinyl relives it's glory days through a rega planar 2. I always dreamt of having a nakamichi tape deck but knew and still know very little about them. I am keen to hear peoples recommendations as i start to hunt around on e-bay for a player. I enjoy my music but am not bursting at the seams with spare cash so, assuming that buying an older machine i will need to think about servicing it too i would like to strike a balance of good sound and affordability. Currently on e-bay uk there are cassette deck 1's, cassete deck 2, LX-5, BX 300e and probably a few others. I've heard that the later decks were perhaps a little behind the general Nak quality but how do they compare against the other makes. Any advice on the pro's and cons of various machines will be gratefully welcomed. I am not very techy so laymans terms even more appreciated or just guidance toward old topics i can look over. Thanks in anticipation. Matt From jochi at qwest.net Wed Jan 4 21:13:29 2006 From: jochi at qwest.net (Jon Ochi) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 13:13:29 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs In-Reply-To: <43BACA51.8080104@woods-and-waters.com> References: <36245BEF-C67E-4CC8-9B3E-B3FB7953FE10@qwest.net> <43BACA51.8080104@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <4ABD271A-72BA-45F7-8DAF-86C178E0C189@qwest.net> Kermit, thanks for the explanation about bias level affecting both frequency response and distortion. Tweaking the system is one of the most fun aspects of analog gear. It is really fun to learn different ways to fine tune one's recordings to get a sound that pleases. I know I have a lot to learn, but I sure do enjoy the road to getting there. Jon On Jan 3, 2006, at 12:02 PM, Kermit V. Gray wrote: > Hi Jon, > > Jon Ochi wrote: >> Dr. Dub, >> I tried boosting the Bias and the Level up 1.5 (one light + on >> blinking light as per your directions) on my Nak ZX7. The results >> of that small change really surprised me. The sound seems much >> clearer especially in the midrange and upper midrange. I do not >> know the audiophile way to describe the sound except to say that >> it is more lively--perhaps because of the apparent boost to the >> mid/upper midrange. > > Bias level affects both frequency response and distortion. > Apparently, you now have the setting that provides the lowest > distortion and widest frequency response. > >> The other discovery is that when I play that tape in the car, I >> can enjoy the tape at a noticeably lower volume level. The sound >> just cuts through the road noise much better. The low level >> sound retrieval is much improved. > > Well consider this: compare two hypothetical tapes: > > #1 has narrow frequency response and high distortion. > > #2 has wide frequency response and low distortion. > > Tape #2 obviously will sound clearer and so will be easier to hear > clearly at lower playback levels. > > So, now that you've found the optimum bias for your deck, your > tapes are clearer and you do not need to play them as loudly to > hear everything. > > That's my theory, anyway. > >> So my question is, why did I hear these differences? Please >> explain in layman's terms if you can because I do not understand >> technical theories very well. >> Thanks for any light you can shed on this. I really like the >> "new" sound so far and want to record some other music to >> further experiment. But for now, I find it so fascinating that >> such a small tweak can change the sound like it does. > > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > From 3ld at bellsouth.net Wed Jan 4 21:14:21 2006 From: 3ld at bellsouth.net (Michael Moore) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 15:14:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks In-Reply-To: <43BC2A64.5050401@lineone.net> References: <43BC2A64.5050401@lineone.net> Message-ID: <43BC2C9D.2000408@bellsouth.net> What is your budget? Mike Matt wrote: > Hi everyone. > I am looking to dust off my old tape collection and delve into the dim > dark past as i have come to the conclusion that i am better off adding > a cassette player to my hi fi system than going out and replacing my > dodgy taste in 70's and 80's music on cd. My system currently consists > of an arcam cd73 running through an arcam alpha 9 amp into KEF q35's. > My vinyl relives it's glory days through a rega planar 2. I always > dreamt of having a nakamichi tape deck but knew and still know very > little about them. I am keen to hear peoples recommendations as i > start to hunt around on e-bay for a player. I enjoy my music but am > not bursting at the seams with spare cash so, assuming that buying an > older machine i will need to think about servicing it too i would like > to strike a balance of good sound and affordability. Currently on > e-bay uk there are cassette deck 1's, cassete deck 2, LX-5, BX 300e > and probably a few others. I've heard that the later decks were > perhaps a little behind the general Nak quality but how do they > compare against the other makes. Any advice on the pro's and cons of > various machines will be gratefully welcomed. I am not very techy so > laymans terms even more appreciated or just guidance toward old topics > i can look over. Thanks in anticipation. Matt > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From rob at rhoag.com Wed Jan 4 21:25:12 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 12:25:12 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm sort of wondering if this could be because your hearing is not as acute to high frequencies as it was when your were younger? Most people loose their ability to hear the high end as they age and this could be the reason you are trying to compensave by setting your equ to 120us. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Dr. Dub Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 2:08 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs Hi y'all, well, I must say that I performed the 70-120 'trick' for Cr02 and Metal tapes before I even had the $ to aquire my first Nakamichi. It seems to work the same on standard decks. Headroom and high frequ. do indeed sound more natural then. Kermit: of course I should have mentioned to do this on a ZX-7 as well; I guess TvdH performed a similar mod. on my CR-7 (back in the days when I still had it) in the settings of the autocal.comp., giving a similar result. However, I've never checked the 'improved car sound' and stuff, reminds me that i still have an old rd260 plus pa301 lying around, about time to equip my rover tomcat with those innit;-) Will let you know how that works out, best - dub ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Ken says: Hmmm, maybe she was wanting to get into evangelical broadcasting! :-) Have you tuned around on a shortwave lately?? It is hard to find anything from the US that is not religious. Not that there is anything wrong with that. ( in the Jerry Seinfeld voice). Anyway, I bet she has fond memories of that summer too. Kermit asks: What model were your Klipsch? Ken says: Klipsch Heresy's also. When I was 16, I spent a couple of weeks one summer with my grandparents in Texarkana Texas. One day my grandfather came home from work and told me that since I had such a bug for music he was going to take me to see the best speakers in the world being built. So he drove me up to Hope Arkansas to the Klipsch factory. I met Paul, walked the factory floor, etc. I was amazed at testing and production processes. When I first heard the K horns, they played Head East "Never been any Reason" followed by ZZ top LaGrange using a Thorens table and Mac tube amps. They cranked it up loud. I had goose bumps on goose bumps. I was stunned. From that day on I wanted a system like that. So when I graduated from High School my grandfather gave me the cash to buy a used set of Hereseys. I still have them. They are loaned out to my mother in law. As the years went by I moved up to the Cornwalls and finally the K horns. I listen to Sonus Faber now, but when I throw a big ! party out doors, the Heresys are always put into action. A good turntable( or Nak), a good tube amp and tube preamp, and a pair of Klipsch horn loaded speakers will make music that is competitive with anything made today. IMHO... ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jochi at qwest.net Wed Jan 4 21:28:05 2006 From: jochi at qwest.net (Jon Ochi) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 13:28:05 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs In-Reply-To: <043201c610bd$3c8684f0$6401a8c0@Rondo> References: <36245BEF-C67E-4CC8-9B3E-B3FB7953FE10@qwest.net> <43BACA51.8080104@woods-and-waters.com> <043201c610bd$3c8684f0$6401a8c0@Rondo> Message-ID: <3862D10F-5629-48F2-BFC5-6B72236BA4A3@qwest.net> Ron, I tried recording a chrome tape at the 120 equalization instead of the 70 eq. I found on my Nak ZX7 with Emtec Chrome Extra tape recording from vinyl that I did not like the sound as well. On my particular setup, the sound seemed a little bit muffled in the midrange and treble and there seemed to be less response in the upper bass area. But I definitely do like the tweak suggested by Dr. Dub to increase the bias and level by 1.5. You asked for comments so I just wanted to give you some feedback on what works and does not work for me. YMMV. Jon On Jan 3, 2006, at 4:27 PM, Ron Walton wrote: > I understand the bias adjustment and how it affects frequency > response. A musician friend many years ago told he he thought that > Nakamichi had their bias set "too hot", which results in a > softening of the the treble and upper treble. To compensate, when > listening to chrome tapes, I set the EQ to 120us. Even for > playback of the few metal tapes that I have, the treble sounds > right when I set the EQ to 120. Do any of you do the same on a > routine basis? Perhaps I am the only one? I have been listening > this way for a very long time with my CR-7. Just purchased a ebay > CR-3 and it sounds better with chrome tapes set to 120 us too. The > CR-7 has been to the shop for calibration many times and it always > sounds this way. > > To summarize, chrome tapes played at the proper EQ of 70us sound > too dark, what some of you call a warm sound. When comparing the > source to the tape, the treble is not even close until I switch the > EQ to 120us. > > Comments?????? > > Ron W. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kermit V. Gray > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 12:02 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs > > Hi Jon, > > Jon Ochi wrote: > > Dr. Dub, > > > > I tried boosting the Bias and the Level up 1.5 (one light + on > blinking > > light as per your directions) on my Nak ZX7. The results of > that small > > change really surprised me. The sound seems much clearer > especially in > > the midrange and upper midrange. I do not know the audiophile > way to > > describe the sound except to say that it is more lively--perhaps > > because of the apparent boost to the mid/upper midrange. > > Bias level affects both frequency response and distortion. Apparently, > you now have the setting that provides the lowest distortion and > widest > frequency response. > > > The other > > discovery is that when I play that tape in the car, I can enjoy the > > tape at a noticeably lower volume level. The sound just cuts > through > > the road noise much better. The low level sound retrieval is much > > improved. > > Well consider this: compare two hypothetical tapes: > > #1 has narrow frequency response and high distortion. > > #2 has wide frequency response and low distortion. > > Tape #2 obviously will sound clearer and so will be easier to hear > clearly at lower playback levels. > > So, now that you've found the optimum bias for your deck, your > tapes are > clearer and you do not need to play them as loudly to hear everything. > > That's my theory, anyway. > > > So my question is, why did I hear these differences? Please > explain in > > layman's terms if you can because I do not understand technical > > theories very well. > > > > Thanks for any light you can shed on this. I really like the "new" > > sound so far and want to record some other music to further > > experiment. 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URL: From rob at rhoag.com Wed Jan 4 21:30:36 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 12:30:36 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks In-Reply-To: <43BC2A64.5050401@lineone.net> Message-ID: I can heartely recommend the 3 head ZX7, especially if you are going to be doing a lot of recording... or the ZX9, which is the same as the ZX7 but with a different transport with slighly better wow and flutter, but you will probably pay several hundred more for the 9, if you can find one. Both have tape monitors, record head azimuth, bias and levels adjustment, and two speed cue forward and backward. Second, for less money, would be the 3 head LX5, with not as much recording control as the 7 or 9, but it does have a tape monitor and bias adjustment, which helps a lot in recording. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 12:05 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks Hi everyone. I am looking to dust off my old tape collection and delve into the dim dark past as i have come to the conclusion that i am better off adding a cassette player to my hi fi system than going out and replacing my dodgy taste in 70's and 80's music on cd. My system currently consists of an arcam cd73 running through an arcam alpha 9 amp into KEF q35's. My vinyl relives it's glory days through a rega planar 2. I always dreamt of having a nakamichi tape deck but knew and still know very little about them. I am keen to hear peoples recommendations as i start to hunt around on e-bay for a player. I enjoy my music but am not bursting at the seams with spare cash so, assuming that buying an older machine i will need to think about servicing it too i would like to strike a balance of good sound and affordability. Currently on e-bay uk there are cassette deck 1's, cassete deck 2, LX-5, BX 300e and probably a few others. I've heard that the later decks were perhaps a little behind the general Nak quality but how do they compare against the other makes. Any advice on the pro's and cons of various machines will be gratefully welcomed. I am not very techy so laymans terms even more appreciated or just guidance toward old topics i can look over. Thanks in anticipation. Matt ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Wed Jan 4 21:41:44 2006 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 20:41:44 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs In-Reply-To: <050601c61147$2429fec0$6401a8c0@Rondo> Message-ID: <003901c6116f$47beda90$7300a8c0@Shaun> Ron, The instructions for my both my BX-2 and my BX-300 tell you to set the tape selector switch AND the equalizer switch according to the tape in use when making a recording. This is the same instruction that I have used for my previous two Aiwa machines. The only times that I have found my playback needing a high frequecy boost is when I have used a non recommended tape on a machine without bias adjustment (my aiwa only had fine bias adjustment for ferric tapes, not chrome types). Consequently TDK SA or Maxell UDXLII sounded excellent (recommended for my machine) but BASF chrome definitely needed a boost. Of course, tapes that have been left in the car and sunlight or near unshielded speakers also suffer from high frequecy loss and will benefit from switching from chrome to ferric equalization on playback. 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Nimesh Patel From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Wed Jan 4 21:49:43 2006 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 20:49:43 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks In-Reply-To: <43BC2A64.5050401@lineone.net> Message-ID: <003e01c61170$652d6140$7300a8c0@Shaun> Matt, If you live in the UK or Europe then the BX300E will not disappoint you. They go at reasonable prices and are strill able to be serviced at B & W in the South of England. I have a USA model with a step-down transformer, as well as a BX-2 which is even cheaper to buy. I am enjoying both of them immensely and they have brought a new lease of life to my cassettes recorded, like yours, in the 70's and 80's. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: 04 January 2006 20:05 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks Hi everyone. I am looking to dust off my old tape collection and delve into the dim dark past as i have come to the conclusion that i am better off adding a cassette player to my hi fi system than going out and replacing my dodgy taste in 70's and 80's music on cd. My system currently consists of an arcam cd73 running through an arcam alpha 9 amp into KEF q35's. My vinyl relives it's glory days through a rega planar 2. I always dreamt of having a nakamichi tape deck but knew and still know very little about them. I am keen to hear peoples recommendations as i start to hunt around on e-bay for a player. I enjoy my music but am not bursting at the seams with spare cash so, assuming that buying an older machine i will need to think about servicing it too i would like to strike a balance of good sound and affordability. Currently on e-bay uk there are cassette deck 1's, cassete deck 2, LX-5, BX 300e and probably a few others. I've heard that the later decks were perhaps a little behind the general Nak quality but how do they compare against the other makes. Any advice on the pro's and cons of various machines will be gratefully welcomed. I am not very techy so laymans terms even more appreciated or just guidance toward old topics i can look over. Thanks in anticipation. Matt ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kenkirk at gte.net Wed Jan 4 21:49:41 2006 From: kenkirk at gte.net (Ken Kirkpatrick) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 14:49:41 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Happy New Year! The Tale of The Pirate Message-ID: <43BC34E5.8030301@gte.net> Hi Ken, What amps are using with the Heresy's? Regards Bala Hi Bala, I don't use the Heresey's anymore except for parties. Then I drive them with a Rotel 200 watt something and a Mackie board. Not the last word in musicality, but it rocks for an outdoor party. I would use any nice tube amp with Heresey's. Even a nice old Dynaco would be fine. I believe most if not all of the older classic Klipsch speakers were voiced with tube amps, probably Macs. The worst combination is an average sounding solid state amp and a cheap cd player. Ear fatigue sets in quickly. Ken From kenkirk at gte.net Wed Jan 4 21:53:09 2006 From: kenkirk at gte.net (Ken Kirkpatrick) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 14:53:09 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Used LX-3 Message-ID: <43BC35B5.1000300@gte.net> Greetings: I have an opportunity to purchase a used LX-3 for $299.00; it is available through Recycled Audio in Longmont, Colorado - http://www.recycledaudio.com/cp.html. What is your opinion on this deck and the asking price of $299? Thank you for your time. MJB Ken replies: I have an LX 3. It is a nice 2 head Nak. But for 300.00 I would want an minty LX 5, three head deck. I think it is too high, even if it is mint. Look for a 3 head Nak. From pawel at bartuzi.org Wed Jan 4 22:14:27 2006 From: pawel at bartuzi.org (Pawel Bartuzi) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 22:14:27 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks In-Reply-To: <43BC2A64.5050401@lineone.net> References: <43BC2A64.5050401@lineone.net> Message-ID: <43BC3AB3.7030502@bartuzi.org> Matt wrote: > Hi everyone. > I am looking to dust off my old tape collection and delve into the dim > dark past as i have come to the conclusion that i am better off adding > a cassette player to my hi fi system than going out and replacing my > dodgy taste in 70's and 80's music on cd. If you are going to listen to your old tapes collection and if your tapes were recorded on different tape decks then a Nak with playback head azimuth adjustment would be handy: a Dragon, CR-7, Cassette Deck 1 or DR 1 (Cassette Deck 1 and DR 1 are identical inside). Playback azimuth adjustment _really_ does make a difference when listening to tapes recorded on different tapes. General opinion is the newer models don't have "something" the older ones have, but as I only have Cassette Deck 1 I cannot say how do they compare to Dragon and CR-7. -- Pawel From ktl at bornet.net Wed Jan 4 22:21:19 2006 From: ktl at bornet.net (Tomas Larsson) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 22:21:19 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Manuals Added Message-ID: I have added a whole lot of stuff, in all categories. Thanks everyone that has contributed to all stuff. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. Or use the free www.yousendit.com service. Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem From rondo at nottltd.com Wed Jan 4 22:40:41 2006 From: rondo at nottltd.com (Ron Walton) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 14:40:41 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs References: <36245BEF-C67E-4CC8-9B3E-B3FB7953FE10@qwest.net><43BACA51.8080104@woods-and-waters.com><043201c610bd$3c8684f0$6401a8c0@Rondo> <3862D10F-5629-48F2-BFC5-6B72236BA4A3@qwest.net> Message-ID: <076801c61177$82723120$6401a8c0@Rondo> Thanks Jon, Did the recording sound okay once you switched the EQ back to 120/us ? since that is also where it was set when you recorded? Yes, my hearing is not quite as good, but I noticed the same thing when I first got the deck when I was much younger in '87. One night soon I will try a new recording with the EQ switch set for chrome as well. There might be something in the auto-cal. that also determines which EQ is set. I must say that I always thought the EQ setting affected only playback and not what got recorded on the tape. Is there a modification by ESL or someone whereby one can vary the bias manually on the CR-7 while recording? And, does anyone have an answer to my question about the EQ mod for the CR-7 ? Ron W. Ron, I tried recording a chrome tape at the 120 equalization instead of the 70 eq. I found on my Nak ZX7 with Emtec Chrome Extra tape recording from vinyl that I did not like the sound as well. On my particular setup, the sound seemed a little bit muffled in the midrange and treble and there seemed to be less response in the upper bass area. But I definitely do like the tweak suggested by Dr. Dub to increase the bias and level by 1.5. You asked for comments so I just wanted to give you some feedback on what works and does not work for me. YMMV. Jon On Jan 3, 2006, at 4:27 PM, Ron Walton wrote: I understand the bias adjustment and how it affects frequency response. A musician friend many years ago told he he thought that Nakamichi had their bias set "too hot", which results in a softening of the the treble and upper treble. To compensate, when listening to chrome tapes, I set the EQ to 120us. Even for playback of the few metal tapes that I have, the treble sounds right when I set the EQ to 120. Do any of you do the same on a routine basis? Perhaps I am the only one? I have been listening this way for a very long time with my CR-7. Just purchased a ebay CR-3 and it sounds better with chrome tapes set to 120 us too. The CR-7 has been to the shop for calibration many times and it always sounds this way. To summarize, chrome tapes played at the proper EQ of 70us sound too dark, what some of you call a warm sound. When comparing the source to the tape, the treble is not even close until I switch the EQ to 120us. Comments?????? Ron W. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kermit V. Gray To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs Hi Jon, Jon Ochi wrote: > Dr. Dub, > > I tried boosting the Bias and the Level up 1.5 (one light + on blinking > light as per your directions) on my Nak ZX7. The results of that small > change really surprised me. The sound seems much clearer especially in > the midrange and upper midrange. I do not know the audiophile way to > describe the sound except to say that it is more lively--perhaps > because of the apparent boost to the mid/upper midrange. Bias level affects both frequency response and distortion. Apparently, you now have the setting that provides the lowest distortion and widest frequency response. > The other > discovery is that when I play that tape in the car, I can enjoy the > tape at a noticeably lower volume level. The sound just cuts through > the road noise much better. The low level sound retrieval is much > improved. Well consider this: compare two hypothetical tapes: #1 has narrow frequency response and high distortion. #2 has wide frequency response and low distortion. Tape #2 obviously will sound clearer and so will be easier to hear clearly at lower playback levels. So, now that you've found the optimum bias for your deck, your tapes are clearer and you do not need to play them as loudly to hear everything. That's my theory, anyway. > So my question is, why did I hear these differences? Please explain in > layman's terms if you can because I do not understand technical > theories very well. > > Thanks for any light you can shed on this. I really like the "new" > sound so far and want to record some other music to further > experiment. But for now, I find it so fascinating that such a small > tweak can change the sound like it does. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jan 4 23:09:40 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 22:09:40 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Happy New Year! The Tale of The Pirate In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <00d701c6117b$8f599460$75c487d9@oemcomputer> The story reminds me of that song "Pamela Brown" by Leo Kottke... Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Doane Hoag > Sent: 04 January 2006 20:25 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Happy New Year! The Tale of The Pirate > > > Gee... I hope Kermit didn't drive her to Evangelicasim. (not that there's > anything wrong with that) :~) > > Doane > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Ken Kirkpatrick > Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 6:11 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Happy New Year! The Tale of The Pirate > > > Kermit said: > > " Sara is still happily > married to the evangelist, has five children (all of whom are grown > now), but I haven't seen her since we finally split up in 1979 (Or was > it 1980? I forget for sure). No hard feelings, we parted on good terms > and I still enjoy memories of that summer." > > > From katcadillac321 at hotmail.com Wed Jan 4 23:19:05 2006 From: katcadillac321 at hotmail.com (felic dans) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 17:19:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX Chrome Tapes for Nakamichi Decks spectaculuar!! In-Reply-To: <00b401c61158$14c6b980$75c487d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: what about the MAxelll XL-II-S made in England? problems? bad shell? etc? - felix >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Akai GX Chrome Tapes for Nakamichi Decks >spectaculuar!! >Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 17:55:42 -0000 > >The European TDK SA-X tapes in Europe were made in Holland, I think, not >England. The cassette shells are not as good as those made in Japan and >you >may find (if you use a ZX-7/9) that you would need to re-set the azimuth >between sides A and B. Others have also complained that the European made >TDK SAs (including X?) are more prone to drop-outs than those from Japan. > >Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of felic dans > > Sent: 04 January 2006 13:41 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Cc: modernizy at netscape.net > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX Chrome Tapes for Nakamichi Decks > > spectaculuar!! > > > > > > Nicholas, > > > > Thank You for the informative input. Okay so there goes the idea > > of picking > > some up for cheap. I will resort to my trust Maxell XLii-S. What is the > > deal with those who argue that the Maxell XLii-S made in Japan is > > superior > > to those made in EU - England? Is this true? and for what reasons? What > > about the TDK SA-X made in England? Any problems? OR fine cassette? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Felix > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Jan 5 00:12:36 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 17:12:36 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Happy New Year! The Tale of The Pirate In-Reply-To: <43BBD781.5090707@gte.net> References: <43BBD781.5090707@gte.net> Message-ID: <43BC5664.40507@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Ken!, Ken Kirkpatrick wrote: > Kermit said: > > " Sara is still happily married to the evangelist, has five children > (all of whom are grown now), but I haven't seen her since we finally > split up in 1979 (Or was it 1980? I forget for sure). No hard feelings, > we parted on good terms and I still enjoy memories of that summer." > > Ken says: > > Hmmm, maybe she was wanting to get into evangelical broadcasting! :-) She really wanted to be a 1950s-era wife, in the mould of Ward & June Cleaver or Ozzie & Harriet Nelson, and I wasn't "stable enough" to assure her of an idyllic Middle Class Family life. But Mr. Evangelist was exactly that assurance. Ok, it's true; I didn't want to spend my time off work at home doing the yardwork, fixing leaky faucets, and "enjoying" . I ended up meeting my perfect match, a studio session drummer, tape-op and tape editor named Karin. I "corrupted" her and she replaced her Technics RS-630US cassette deck with a Nakamichi 550 (to record all her practices and her band's live gigs), and a Nak 1000. When she passed on, her family got the 1000 and all the tapes, but I got the 550. It's the second of my two 550s, the one nicknamed "Good Girl." My other 550, nicknamed "Bad Girl" is the one I bought, my first-ever Nak, and for the last thirty years it's had countless hours put on it, recording everything from live concerts, to sound effects for foley work, to demo tapes for bands, to my various recording experiments, to electromagnetic voice phenomena. > Have you tuned around on a shortwave lately?? It is hard to find > anything from the US that is not religious. Not that there is anything > wrong with that. ( in the Jerry Seinfeld voice). My Zenith Transoceanic shortwave died and I want to get it restored so I can listen again. Didn't know the state of US shortwave emissions. > Anyway, I bet she has fond memories of that summer too. I'm sure she does. We had too much fun that summer. > Kermit asks: > > What model were your Klipsch? > > Ken says: > > Klipsch Heresy's also. ... A good > turntable( or Nak), a good tube amp and tube preamp, and a pair of > Klipsch horn loaded speakers will make music that is competitive with > anything made today. IMHO... I'd agree. I ran my pair of Heresy with a Crown D75 fed by a Nak 610 preamp coordinating my 550, 600-II and Dual 1240 turntable with a Shure V-15 Type III and Stanton 681EEE hung off the end. Sounded like a broadcast studio control room. Very nice. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Jan 5 00:20:14 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 17:20:14 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Happy New Year! The Tale of The Pirate Nakamichi In-Reply-To: <03ab01c610b8$036d27f0$6401a8c0@Rondo> References: <03ab01c610b8$036d27f0$6401a8c0@Rondo> Message-ID: <43BC582E.8070300@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Ron, Ron Walton wrote: > Are you an Amateur Operator as well? For some, that would be a Ham > Radio Operator I suppose. No, but my friend Alan, who designed my antenna, is. During my apprenticeship I worked part-time making advertsing and PSA tapes for AM broadcasts, and my mentor was a broadcast engineer at a local daytimer, as well as being an avid Ham radio guy. Even did the slow-scan tv, which was pretty interesting. I showed him my transmitter. He remarked it had the best AUDIO circuitry he'd ever seen in a transmitter but the RF sections were mediocre. He suggested I replace my awful Hartley local oscillator (which was made of scavenged parts -- I used the primary of an push-pull plate-to-voice coil transformer as one of the inductors) with a crystal oscillator and he loaned me a set of crystals for each available frequency. He also remarked that a 6L6 isn't really the best choice for an RF power amp, andsuggested I should have chosen a tube made for the purpose. Hey, it was a lark, and the whole transmitter was made of scrap parts. Hooking up fine audio gear, like the Nak 550 and the Dual 1218, was sort of overkill but that was a big part of the fun. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Jan 5 00:28:24 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 17:28:24 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks In-Reply-To: <43BC2A64.5050401@lineone.net> References: <43BC2A64.5050401@lineone.net> Message-ID: <43BC5A18.6090609@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Matt, Matt wrote: > Hi everyone. > I am looking to dust off my old tape collection and delve into the dim > dark past as i have come to the conclusion that i am better off adding a > cassette player to my hi fi system than going out and replacing my dodgy > taste in 70's and 80's music on cd. My system currently consists of an > arcam cd73 running through an arcam alpha 9 amp into KEF q35's. Nice rig! Very nice. > My vinyl > relives it's glory days through a rega planar 2. Which boxcar do you have on it? The Elys, I assume? > Currently on e-bay uk there are > cassette deck 1's, cassete deck 2, LX-5, BX 300e and probably a few > others. I've heard that the later decks were perhaps a little behind the > general Nak quality but how do they compare against the other makes. Any > advice on the pro's and cons of various machines will be gratefully > welcomed. I'm fond of the older models myself, BUT they're often difficult to have repaired if they break down. I'd say, go for one of the CR or LX series Nakamichis. If your budget allows, I'd strongly recommend you try to find the Arcam cassette deck and have a matched setup! Other recorders worth considering that are good matches to your rig are the highest-end Luxman, Aiwa, or Tascam models. Of course, you can never go wrong with a Revox cassette deck. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From matt_ryde at lineone.net Thu Jan 5 01:06:53 2006 From: matt_ryde at lineone.net (Matt) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 00:06:53 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks In-Reply-To: <43BC2C9D.2000408@bellsouth.net> References: <43BC2A64.5050401@lineone.net> <43BC2C9D.2000408@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <43BC631D.5080506@lineone.net> Hi, this is my first attempt at posting and replying and I'm not too sure of the proper way to respond so if i get this wrong forgive me. I'm using mozilla thunderbird and it doesn't seem to include the message i'm replying to. Budget, i'm not sure nad was hoping for some guidance. I was hoping to keep it around £100 to £150, addingthe cost of a decent interconnect will push the purchase up and i do want to keep the budget reasonable because i'm also tempted to try and find a power amp to bi amp my speakers. If my budget is unrealistic i'll need to reconsider and perhaps forgoe the amp. Thanks for responding so quickly. Matt From timbarrett at cox.net Thu Jan 5 02:11:26 2006 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 20:11:26 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks In-Reply-To: <43BC631D.5080506@lineone.net> References: <43BC2A64.5050401@lineone.net> <43BC2C9D.2000408@bellsouth.net> <43BC631D.5080506@lineone.net> Message-ID: <43BC723E.30804@cox.net> Matt - I'm a Thunderbird user too. To include the original text in your reply, click on 'Tools', then 'Account Settings', and then under your account click on 'Composition and Addressing'. Put a check mark in the "Automatically quote the original message when replying" box. Under that, you can choose to put your reply above or below the quote. As you can see, mine is set to be above the original quote. Tim As far as your Nak needs are concerned, I recommend you stick with a 3 head deck, and the most cost-effective 3 head machine is probably the LX-5. It seems undervalued for some reason but is a wonderful machine - and stylish, too. Above that, try for one of the ZX series. With them, you gain auto azimuth alignment and more flexible recording control. Matt wrote: > Hi, this is my first attempt at posting and replying and I'm not too > sure of the proper way to respond so if i get this wrong forgive me. > I'm using mozilla thunderbird and it doesn't seem to include the > message i'm replying to. > > Budget, i'm not sure nad was hoping for some guidance. I was hoping to > keep it around £100 to £150, addingthe cost of a decent interconnect > will push the purchase up and i do want to keep the budget reasonable > because i'm also tempted to try and find a power amp to bi amp my > speakers. If my budget is unrealistic i'll need to reconsider and > perhaps forgoe the amp. > > Thanks for responding so quickly. > > Matt > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From flifton at mac.com Thu Jan 5 02:14:46 2006 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 17:14:46 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks In-Reply-To: <200601050059.k050xGW1005103@zxe.naks.com> References: <200601050059.k050xGW1005103@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <1A0AA758-BE79-4FBA-807A-93C6DA584D9B@mac.com> Doane's point is well taken. I LOVE my Galinized ZX-7, it sounds wonderful and makes jaw-dropping recordings. However, there is another important difference between the 9 and 7. Namely, the ZX7 is going to be a considerably older machine, possibly as much as almost 30 years old. Just something to think about... Another good "entry level" Nak would be the CR-3 or 4 which offer some basic calibration/adjustment and three heads. I have a Sanktified CR-3 that sounds very nice and which, once its typical dying cam motor issues were solved, has proven quite reliable. My $.02. Fred On Jan 4, 2006, at 4:59 PM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > From: "Doane Hoag" > Date: January 4, 2006 12:30:36 PM PST > To: , "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete > decks > Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > I can heartely recommend the 3 head ZX7, especially if you are > going to be > doing a lot of recording... or the ZX9, which is the same as the > ZX7 but > with a different transport with slighly better wow and flutter, but > you will > probably pay several hundred more for the 9, if you can find one. > Both have > tape monitors, record head azimuth, bias and levels adjustment, and > two > speed cue forward and backward. > > Second, for less money, would be the 3 head LX5, with not as much > recording > control as the 7 or 9, but it does have a tape monitor and bias > adjustment, > which helps a lot in recording. > > Doane -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rob at rhoag.com Thu Jan 5 02:27:31 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 17:27:31 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs In-Reply-To: <076801c61177$82723120$6401a8c0@Rondo> Message-ID: Equilization does only effect playback, but during recording, if your equilization is set wrong I guess it would change the sound if you have a tape monitor switch and are trying to A/B. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Walton Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 1:41 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs Thanks Jon, Did the recording sound okay once you switched the EQ back to 120/us ? since that is also where it was set when you recorded? Yes, my hearing is not quite as good, but I noticed the same thing when I first got the deck when I was much younger in '87. One night soon I will try a new recording with the EQ switch set for chrome as well. There might be something in the auto-cal. that also determines which EQ is set. I must say that I always thought the EQ setting affected only playback and not what got recorded on the tape. Is there a modification by ESL or someone whereby one can vary the bias manually on the CR-7 while recording? And, does anyone have an answer to my question about the EQ mod for the CR-7 ? Ron W. Ron, I tried recording a chrome tape at the 120 equalization instead of the 70 eq. I found on my Nak ZX7 with Emtec Chrome Extra tape recording from vinyl that I did not like the sound as well. On my particular setup, the sound seemed a little bit muffled in the midrange and treble and there seemed to be less response in the upper bass area. But I definitely do like the tweak suggested by Dr. Dub to increase the bias and level by 1.5. You asked for comments so I just wanted to give you some feedback on what works and does not work for me. YMMV. Jon On Jan 3, 2006, at 4:27 PM, Ron Walton wrote: I understand the bias adjustment and how it affects frequency response. A musician friend many years ago told he he thought that Nakamichi had their bias set "too hot", which results in a softening of the the treble and upper treble. To compensate, when listening to chrome tapes, I set the EQ to 120us. Even for playback of the few metal tapes that I have, the treble sounds right when I set the EQ to 120. Do any of you do the same on a routine basis? Perhaps I am the only one? I have been listening this way for a very long time with my CR-7. Just purchased a ebay CR-3 and it sounds better with chrome tapes set to 120 us too. The CR-7 has been to the shop for calibration many times and it always sounds this way. To summarize, chrome tapes played at the proper EQ of 70us sound too dark, what some of you call a warm sound. When comparing the source to the tape, the treble is not even close until I switch the EQ to 120us. Comments?????? Ron W. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kermit V. Gray To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs Hi Jon, Jon Ochi wrote: > Dr. Dub, > > I tried boosting the Bias and the Level up 1.5 (one light + on blinking > light as per your directions) on my Nak ZX7. The results of that small > change really surprised me. The sound seems much clearer especially in > the midrange and upper midrange. I do not know the audiophile way to > describe the sound except to say that it is more lively--perhaps > because of the apparent boost to the mid/upper midrange. Bias level affects both frequency response and distortion. Apparently, you now have the setting that provides the lowest distortion and widest frequency response. > The other > discovery is that when I play that tape in the car, I can enjoy the > tape at a noticeably lower volume level. The sound just cuts through > the road noise much better. The low level sound retrieval is much > improved. Well consider this: compare two hypothetical tapes: #1 has narrow frequency response and high distortion. #2 has wide frequency response and low distortion. Tape #2 obviously will sound clearer and so will be easier to hear clearly at lower playback levels. So, now that you've found the optimum bias for your deck, your tapes are clearer and you do not need to play them as loudly to hear everything. That's my theory, anyway. > So my question is, why did I hear these differences? Please explain in > layman's terms if you can because I do not understand technical > theories very well. > > Thanks for any light you can shed on this. I really like the "new" > sound so far and want to record some other music to further > experiment. But for now, I find it so fascinating that such a small > tweak can change the sound like it does. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------===== ==== Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------===== ==== Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------===== ==== ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rob at rhoag.com Thu Jan 5 02:37:01 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 17:37:01 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I guess everyone wants to ignore my post.. :~) Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Doane Hoag Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 12:25 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs I'm sort of wondering if this could be because your hearing is not as acute to high frequencies as it was when your were younger? Most people loose their ability to hear the high end as they age and this could be the reason you are trying to compensave by setting your equ to 120us. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Dr. Dub Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 2:08 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs Hi y'all, well, I must say that I performed the 70-120 'trick' for Cr02 and Metal tapes before I even had the $ to aquire my first Nakamichi. It seems to work the same on standard decks. Headroom and high frequ. do indeed sound more natural then. Kermit: of course I should have mentioned to do this on a ZX-7 as well; I guess TvdH performed a similar mod. on my CR-7 (back in the days when I still had it) in the settings of the autocal.comp., giving a similar result. However, I've never checked the 'improved car sound' and stuff, reminds me that i still have an old rd260 plus pa301 lying around, about time to equip my rover tomcat with those innit;-) Will let you know how that works out, best - dub ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From marc at stager.com Thu Jan 5 07:14:15 2006 From: marc at stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 01:14:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 670ZX front panel colors In-Reply-To: <200601050102.k0512lqT005188@zxe.naks.com> References: <200601050102.k0512lqT005188@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20060105010607.02b43f10@stager.com> I'm looking at a Nak 670 in a two-tone finish: The font panel extrusions are black on a beautiful dark reddish-bronze background. This picture is a little too light but you can see what I mean. http://naumburgconcerts.org/media/Nak670-3.jpg Was this a common panel design for this machine? The only other 670Z's I've seen, and the one pictured at the Naks.con site are all black. http://www.naks.com/cgi-bin/modelspage.pl?series=660/670 Thanks, Marc Stager From mhugo at sunint.co.za Thu Jan 5 08:02:02 2006 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc hugo) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 09:02:02 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Scottish 481z - B&W and that end of tape failure to clik off. Message-ID: Hi Ian, Ti is right (haven't read Antoine's mail yet) - do nothing!!!! The 480 series do exactly as you have indicated, but don't worry - there is no tension on the tape nor strain on the motorwhen the tape reaches the end. If you eject the tape, turn it over, place it inside, and close the well, the deck will resume it's previous function, including recording without any input from you, until you press (do not "hit" however, euphemistically intended!!) the 'stop' button. Cheers and the best for 2006. Marc >>> antdes45 at yahoo.ca 1/2/2006 5:22:01 PM >>> Hi Ian, I was following an other topic on the 48x Naks and it seems to be normal that the button doesn't click off until you push an other. The Nak will stop, but the button will stay pushed. It's supposed to be for the timer feature. earthrite at gn.apc.org a écrit : Hi Antoine Thanks for that reply ...... and your good English language efforts. However in this quote from you below you are somewhat economic with the details.... :-) Do I understand that your view is that a to fix the end of tape switch off problem circuit is going to need attention to sort the problem? I had hoped there was a tension adjuster of some sort .......a mechanical rather than electronic solution! That a Nak klutz like this person could do I loved the threads about NAK decks tailored towards certain sound signatures CR7 to DAT and CD, Dragon to something else...... I wonder if I'll ever find a ZX9 ........ I think thats the sound I would go for ........ since getting the deck back the cd player is in retirement. Hi Adrian regarding the costs......... I shared these before Christmass, the cost including transport was £190 including VAT ...... but B&W will give you a ball park figure just phoning up and then a precise price after evaluating the machine on the bench ....... I was asked to authorise the actual cost before they went ahead so one always knows where on is with them and the costs I hope this helps Peace Ian >From: Antoine Deschines >Subject: Re: [naktalk] That Scottish 481z update >and a paen to even a basic Nak >If there's nothing special for stopping, it's something that has to do > with the counter circuits that stops the deck. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Antoine Deschênes, antdes45 at yahoo.ca --------------------------------- Lèche-vitrine ou lèche-écran ? Yahoo! Magasinage. The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From mhugo at sunint.co.za Thu Jan 5 08:45:02 2006 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc hugo) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 09:45:02 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX Chrome Tapes for Nakamichi Decks spectaculuar!! Message-ID: Hi Felix, Nicholas is right, for instance the Akai SX (green wrapper) and a standard type I ferric is best avoided and is made by heaven knows who. SKX LX is an ordinary ferric from SKM in Seoul and lies somewhere between TDK B and D. These are not hi-fi tapes for Nakamaniacs. Those who would argue that Japanese Maxells are superior to British ones are misinformed and quite incorrect. It might have arisen due to the TDK issues and they have extrapolated it to Maxells and perhaps other brands. There is no difference between the Maxell XLII-S tapes made in Japan and those made in England at their plant in Telford, Shropshire. Well, the inscription in the HRC shell IS in a different font. No, they are uniformly excellent. The TDK Europe plant is in Luxembourg. No TDKs are made in England. Initially there were significant differences between those made in Japan and those from this facility. Whether this is still an issue I do not know. Some of the members here have personal experience of major unacceptable quality issues and bad experiences die hard. For specifics of the problems, refer to the Naktalk archives. While on the subject, Sonys made in France are also fine. Cheers - Marc >>> katcadillac321 at hotmail.com 1/4/2006 3:40:43 PM >>> Nicholas, Thank You for the informative input. Okay so there goes the idea of picking some up for cheap. I will resort to my trust Maxell XLii-S. What is the deal with those who argue that the Maxell XLii-S made in Japan is superior to those made in EU - England? Is this true? and for what reasons? What about the TDK SA-X made in England? Any problems? OR fine cassette? Thanks, Felix >From: modernizy at netscape.net >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX Chrome Tapes for Nakamichi Decks >spectaculuar!! >Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 04:24:06 -0500 > >Hello, > >I have some tapes you mentioned and my opinion of them is quite negative. >These tapes are OEM-version of some other manufacturer as their cases look >quite alike as some other cheap tapes (RAKS, etc.) They have a tremendous >print-through effect and rather strong noise. They dirty tape heads very >quick. > >I can't recommend them to use with Naks. > >They are much inferior than TDK SA or maxell UDII, let alone SA-X or XLII >or XLII-S. > >With New Year greetings to everyone, > >Nicholas. > >-----Original Message----- >From: felic dans >To: naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 21:41:57 -0500 >Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX Chrome Tapes for Nakamichi Decks spectaculuar!! > > >Hello Nak freaks, > >Anyone have any experience with old-school Akai GX Chrome tapes with >Nakamichi Decks ? > >Reliability? > >Sound quality? > >construction? > >If available, how do they compare to the TDK SA-X or MAXELL XLII-S? >___________________________________________________ >Try the New Netscape Mail Today! >Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List >http://mail.netscape.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. 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I deliberately used an entry-level tape, although new - a Sony EF. It is a complex and well-built machine. I had to think hard to get accustomed to the control set. I have my doubts about the quality of the Dolby C cicuit. There was no handbook and I could not apply the very complete set of calibration facilities. It seemed to over-attenuate on replay. Despite this, on this humble tape, the deck sounded unusually clean and extremely stable. I found the real time (elapsed/remaining) counter fine, but with no option of a linear counter, a bit annoying. I have given the dealer R100 to give it to his apparently highly skilled techie to assess spares availibility, the wear and alignment of heads, the same with the belts and any other issues. Otherwise - top-flight non-Nak. The TA-2700 will be the same - just one or two features which don't matter that much. Good luck Tayfur. Marc >>> t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr 12/30/2005 12:06:14 PM >>> Hi Nakkers Anybody has any experience with this ONKYO-Intergra-TA-2700 series, as claimed by the seller Genuine Nakamichi Heads used??? http://cgi.ebay.com/Onkyo-Integra-TA-2700-3-head-Cassette-Nakamichi-Heads_W0QQitemZ5847505457QQcategoryZ64598QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Happy New Year!!! Tayfur The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From mhugo at sunint.co.za Thu Jan 5 10:51:53 2006 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc hugo) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 11:51:53 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] cheap supply of sony chrome tapes? Message-ID: Adrian, Howdy, This UX-S is almost certainly made in Mexico. It is the same formula that they have used for UX-S since 1991. The shell is not too bad and quite attractive - not screwed together - it is industrially bonded and the tolerances seem very good. Print on the shell is green. The colour of the shell is a deep transparent blue. In use, the tape has a slightly rising sensitivity in the HF but is quite sensitive to excessive record level. (About the same SAT figures as TDK SA, but much more vibrant, exciting tonal style of a super-chrome.)However, it is also very quiet, leaving a very wide dynamic range as one might expect with a good type II. It is dolby friendly and all in all, a very rewarding type II. That's a ridiculously low price, so I'd buy plenty if I were you. Marc >>> ady at spamcop.net 12/30/2005 10:51:06 PM >>> hi.. just noticed what seems a very cheap supplier of new Sony Chrome tapes UX-S.. http://www.thomann.de/thoiw2_sony_uxs_c90_prodinfo.html Does anyone have any experience of this tape? adrian ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr Thu Jan 5 11:20:11 2006 From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 12:20:11 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] O/T References: Message-ID: <007d01c611e1$9e1fdd40$0401a8c0@TG> Hi Marc, You amazed me once again. Thanks for the actual tests.The tape you used really worse than entery level (to me present normal Sony tapes very low with quality). Some Onkyo machines in 80's really top-of-the line; you can have more in this link; Take a look at TA-2070 & 2090 are my favorites.. http://www.hnny.nl/archief_onkyo/recorders-cassettedecks.html Thanks again Marc... Tayfur ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc hugo" To: ; Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 10:22 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] O/T Hi Tayfur, Strangely enough I just auditioned (tested) an Onkyo TA-2800 two days ago. I deliberately used an entry-level tape, although new - a Sony EF. It is a complex and well-built machine. I had to think hard to get accustomed to the control set. I have my doubts about the quality of the Dolby C cicuit. There was no handbook and I could not apply the very complete set of calibration facilities. It seemed to over-attenuate on replay. Despite this, on this humble tape, the deck sounded unusually clean and extremely stable. I found the real time (elapsed/remaining) counter fine, but with no option of a linear counter, a bit annoying. I have given the dealer R100 to give it to his apparently highly skilled techie to assess spares availibility, the wear and alignment of heads, the same with the belts and any other issues. Otherwise - top-flight non-Nak. The TA-2700 will be the same - just one or two features which don't matter that much. Good luck Tayfur. Marc >>> t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr 12/30/2005 12:06:14 PM >>> Hi Nakkers Anybody has any experience with this ONKYO-Intergra-TA-2700 series, as claimed by the seller Genuine Nakamichi Heads used??? http://cgi.ebay.com/Onkyo-Integra-TA-2700-3-head-Cassette-Nakamichi-Heads_W0QQitemZ5847505457QQcategoryZ64598QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Happy New Year!!! Tayfur The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.11/219 - Release Date: 02.01.2006 From modernizy at netscape.net Thu Jan 5 13:12:07 2006 From: modernizy at netscape.net (modernizy at netscape.net) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 07:12:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX Chrome Tapes for Nakamichi Decks spectaculuar!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8C7E00861E70493-1E50-4D414@mblkn-m12.sysops.aol.com> Hi, Felix, Some time ago (3-4 years appr.) there were problems with TDK tapes made in Europe (particularly Luxembourg). Their quality differed from tape to tape within very large margins and proved to be much inferior compared to the ones made in Japan at the end of 90s. This situation concerns TDK D, AD, SA, SA-X and MA types of TDK tapes together with some non-common line tapes (CDing, FE-1, A, etc). Since then I quit using new TDK tapes and can't say if the situation changes to the better or to the worse. I can only say that TDK SA-XS and MA-EX tapes I bought in 2004 were quite up to the mark of this famous and respectable tape manufacturer. As to maxell brand, my own comparisons between XLII-S and MX-S tapes made in Japan and in England do not show up any considerable differences: both groups of tapes demonstrate excellent results on recording and playback on Nak and non-Nak decks. In fact these are my favourite tapes. With the very best wishes, Nicholas. -----Original Message----- From: felic dans To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: modernizy at netscape.net Sent: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 08:40:43 -0500 Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX Chrome Tapes for Nakamichi Decks spectaculuar!! Nicholas, Thank You for the informative input. Okay so there goes the idea of picking some up for cheap. I will resort to my trust Maxell XLii-S. What is the deal with those who argue that the Maxell XLii-S made in Japan is superior to those made in EU - England? Is this true? and for what reasons? What about the TDK SA-X made in England? Any problems? OR fine cassette? Thanks, Felix ___________________________________________________ Try the New Netscape Mail Today! Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List http://mail.netscape.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sendigitall at yahoo.com Thu Jan 5 13:55:34 2006 From: sendigitall at yahoo.com (senthil nathan) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 04:55:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] cr-4 info In-Reply-To: <200601051102.k05B17w8007229@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <20060105125534.38676.qmail@web52913.mail.yahoo.com> hi .............does the cr-4 have any test tone generator for calibration?......this cr4 is quiet diffrent ...it has manual bias and level calibration?.....how different is this from bias fine tune and normal rec level ?.....is there any simalr nak ..like the cr4?.....kindly let me know.......... --------------------------------- Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ady at spamcop.net Thu Jan 5 15:11:09 2006 From: ady at spamcop.net (Adrian Finn) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 14:11:09 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] cheap supply of sony chrome tapes? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4DFE55DC-6EDE-4126-86C7-EE075C1D2EDE@spamcop.net> thanks for the reply Marc and your detailed opinions... my supply of TDK SA's is diminishing quickly so I think I'll put an order in ASAP.. This company has been recommended to me many times and they charge a one off shipping fees for EU destinations so a large order is worthwhile... would it be worth any other UK forum members pooling together for a joint order? adrian On 5 Jan 2006, at 09:51, Marc hugo wrote: Adrian, Howdy, This UX-S is almost certainly made in Mexico. It is the same formula that they have used for UX-S since 1991. The shell is not too bad and quite attractive - not screwed together - it is industrially bonded and the tolerances seem very good. Print on the shell is green. The colour of the shell is a deep transparent blue. In use, the tape has a slightly rising sensitivity in the HF but is quite sensitive to excessive record level. (About the same SAT figures as TDK SA, but much more vibrant, exciting tonal style of a super-chrome.)However, it is also very quiet, leaving a very wide dynamic range as one might expect with a good type II. It is dolby friendly and all in all, a very rewarding type II. That's a ridiculously low price, so I'd buy plenty if I were you. Marc >>> ady at spamcop.net 12/30/2005 10:51:06 PM >>> hi.. just noticed what seems a very cheap supplier of new Sony Chrome tapes UX-S.. http://www.thomann.de/thoiw2_sony_uxs_c90_prodinfo.html Does anyone have any experience of this tape? adrian ========--------------------------------------------------------- ========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========--------------------------------------------------------- ========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========--------------------------------------------------------- ========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Jan 5 06:25:49 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 23:25:49 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Pamela Brown In-Reply-To: <00d701c6117b$8f599460$75c487d9@oemcomputer> References: <00d701c6117b$8f599460$75c487d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <43BCADDD.6080200@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Gra' Oh wow ... Leo Kottke! My favorite album all through high school and college was “Dreams And All That Stuff”, which had the tracks Mona Ray, When Shrimps Learn to Whistle, Twilight Property, Bill Cheatham, Vertical Trees, Constant Traveler, Why Ask Why?, Taking a Sandwich to A Feast, Hole in the Day and Mona Roy (my favorite track). Actually, it was the ONLY Kottke album I had, but it was still my favorite. I wore out three copies of the LP. Still have at least one copy, maybe two. And I have no idea how many cassette copies (made on the Nak 600-II) I wore out. I kept intending to try his other albums but somehow never got the chance. I often used cassettes of the album (played back via the Nak 550) to help set up SR systems. You have to see how the sound coverage and overall frequency balance is in the venue, right? Anyway, it was a good excuse to enjoy my music on a really big audio system. Following your mess[age] I looked up the lyrics to "Pamela Brown." I haven't laughed this hard in years! Hey, what can I say, I'm not the "domestic bliss" type of guy but I admire those who are. Too many ideas to try out. Too much music to listen to. Probably a good thing I never married. I'd pity the poor girl. Nelson wrote: > The story reminds me of that song "Pamela Brown" by Leo Kottke... -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From fugue4all at shaw.ca Thu Jan 5 16:41:19 2006 From: fugue4all at shaw.ca (Paul Dingle) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 10:41:19 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 EQ Mod References: <200601051501.k05F1pIW007803@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <006e01c6120e$78dcdba0$8902a8c0@warbird> > And, does anyone have an answer to my question about the EQ mod for the CR-7 > Ron W. Hi, Ron: The recording eq "correction" and gear update is needed for CR7's pre-S/N A130-08677. I seem to remember it was an issue between IEC1 and IEC2 standards and the sweet permalloy heads all Nak triple head decks use. The equalization upgrade was incorporated in production after S/N A130-08677, during the last quarter of 1985. I've never heard a CR7 before this update (Stephen Sank reworked mine immediately after a purchase), but I can tell you the post-mod sound is wonderful. However, all the recent discussion has led me to believe that a ZX9 needs to be in my future..... Paul -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.13/221 - Release Date: 1/4/2006 From jeff at eslabs.com Thu Jan 5 16:35:19 2006 From: jeff at eslabs.com (jeff at eslabs.com) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 10:35:19 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: How many turns to adjust Azimuth on ZX7 / ZX9 References: <200601021524.k02FO2Gk023875@zxe.naks.com> <626EE18A-C557-46CE-9CDC-0909C66C1D3B@mac.com> Message-ID: <021a01c6120f$f5d4ef20$6401a8c0@SONYNOTEBOOK> Hi Fred, There is a time lag due to the distance between the record and play heads. We have sold some ZX-7's & ZX-9's that we modified to have a play head azimuth adjustment instead of the record head. Sincerely, Jeff Galin "Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975! ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS 1807 Berlin Turnpike Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA VOICE & FAX 860-529-3700 Monday to Friday from 8am to 6pm ET jeff at nakamichi.us jeff at eslabs.com www.nakamichi.us ----- Original Message ----- From: Fred Lifton To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 7:20 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: How many turns to adjust Azimuth on ZX7 / ZX9 On my ESL rebuilt ZX7, I find I have to turn the azimuth adjust knob quite slowly and then wait for it to "catch up." It never takes more than about 1/2 turn or so to find the correct adjustment. Going slowly and waiting is the key. Good things take time... Happy New Year Nakkers! cheers, Fred On Jan 2, 2006, at 7:24 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: From: Sándor István Date: January 2, 2006 3:30:42 AM PST To: thole at planet.nl, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] How many turns to adjust Azimuth on ZX7 / ZX9 Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Hello Superthol, the ZX-series are very nice units (my opinion). My opinion also (some may not agree) that record head azimuth justage is a more important factor, than playback azimuth correction (supposed you make recordings on your deck, and usually listen to cassettes made on properly aligned decks). If you make your own records, and you use different kind of cassettes, it is a must to have this feature. I admit my RX-505 plays nice also, but far from recording capabilities of my ZX-7, because record azimuth correction is not provided (and some other calibration features also missing), it is a big handycap. As the recording head azimuth setting procedure is based on the playback-head response it is vital your playback section MUST be set correctly first. Otherwise all is for nothing, you MAY make recordings sound good on your (the same) machine, but they will be mostly poor on other units. The azimuth-justage is mechanical. A small worm-gear moves a steel tape (which is fitted in a ladder-like blue plastic), and this steel tape moves the recording head. Be very careful with setting the azimuth, as the connection between the worm-gear and the steel tape is quite weak, and it may happen they will disengage. Then you have to repair it... For this reason I heavily recommend to use the azimuth-knob very gently, do not turn it fast (let it settle), and do not turn it over (I have no data what is the range of the knob, and to be honest I do not have the intention to risk a try also). If you feel that the knob is stopped, under no circumstances turn it with force. Happy New Year! :-) István Ps.: ZX-7/9 have NO playback-azimuth correction feature. You must have a CR7, a Dragon, or a 680 series deck (am I right?) for this purpose. It is important only if you listen "alien" cassettes also. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fugue4all at shaw.ca Thu Jan 5 17:10:04 2006 From: fugue4all at shaw.ca (Paul Dingle) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 11:10:04 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth and NAAC stuff References: <200601051552.k05FquXZ008040@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <007701c61212$7d46a190$8902a8c0@warbird> Hi, folks--was going through my bookmarks, and found a web page by Scott Johnson that answers some questions about Nak decks that periodically come up on the list: http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html A couple of interesting snips: and, on NAAC: < What is NAAC? NAAC stands for Nakamichi Auto Azimuth Correction. Only the Dragon home deck and the various versions of the TD-1200 for the car have NAAC. It works by splitting the gap on the right channel into 2 gaps. Each gap is then separately amplified, send through a 3-6 kHz bandpass filters and waveform squaring circuits before they go to a phase comparator. The phase comparator then feeds a circuit that drives the PB head azimuth motor to minimize the error. NAAC has a funny scheme for when it operates. NAAC operation is started when the transport is put into play or when audio is silent for approximately 2 seconds. 100mS after music is detected the NAAC light will start flashing at a 2 Hz rate and will continue for about 6 seconds. The azimuth motor is driven to find the point of least phase error for about 3 seconds then it will stop for 3 seconds and adjust again for about 3 seconds if there is still some error. After 10 seconds NAAC will stop even if it hasn't found the correct azimuth. NAAC will restart again when music resumes after a 2 second or more period of silence or when the direction of tape travel is reversed or when going to stop and back to play. NAAC does NOT continuously adjust azimuth through out the tape. NAAC light off - System was reset NAAC light flashing - System is currently adjusting NAAC light on - System has completed it's adjustment More information can be found on page 4 of the Dragon brochure. I have posted a scan here: http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/brochures/Dragon_4_sm.jpg> -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.13/221 - Release Date: 1/4/2006 From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 5 17:12:46 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 08:12:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060105161246.675.qmail@web32810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I think you gave the reason everyone DOESN'T want to give for setting that switch Doane :) Bala Doane Hoag wrote: I guess everyone wants to ignore my post.. :~) Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Doane Hoag Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 12:25 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs I'm sort of wondering if this could be because your hearing is not as acute to high frequencies as it was when your were younger? Most people loose their ability to hear the high end as they age and this could be the reason you are trying to compensave by setting your equ to 120us. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Dr. Dub Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 2:08 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs Hi y'all, well, I must say that I performed the 70-120 'trick' for Cr02 and Metal tapes before I even had the $ to aquire my first Nakamichi. It seems to work the same on standard decks. Headroom and high frequ. do indeed sound more natural then. Kermit: of course I should have mentioned to do this on a ZX-7 as well; I guess TvdH performed a similar mod. on my CR-7 (back in the days when I still had it) in the settings of the autocal.comp., giving a similar result. However, I've never checked the 'improved car sound' and stuff, reminds me that i still have an old rd260 plus pa301 lying around, about time to equip my rover tomcat with those innit;-) Will let you know how that works out, best - dub ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of felic dans > Sent: 04 January 2006 22:19 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Akai GX Chrome Tapes for Nakamichi Decks > spectaculuar!! > > > > what about the MAxelll XL-II-S made in England? problems? bad shell? etc? > > - felix > From jochi at qwest.net Thu Jan 5 17:12:19 2006 From: jochi at qwest.net (Jon Ochi) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 09:12:19 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs In-Reply-To: <076801c61177$82723120$6401a8c0@Rondo> References: <36245BEF-C67E-4CC8-9B3E-B3FB7953FE10@qwest.net><43BACA51.8080104@woods-and-waters.com><043201c610bd$3c8684f0$6401a8c0@Rondo> <3862D10F-5629-48F2-BFC5-6B72236BA4A3@qwest.net> <076801c61177$82723120$6401a8c0@Rondo> Message-ID: <37857D73-91EB-4490-97C2-227C99ACF272@qwest.net> Hi Ron W, I made a serious mistake in my evaluation of the chrome tape recorded at 120 eq. I had commented that the higher frequencies seemed to be boosted compared to the mids and low frequencies, but yet somehow everything sounded muffled. Now I know why it sounded muffled. I failed to set the eq to 120 on PLAYBACK. Duh! No wonder it sounded muffled! Anyway, I compared again at 120 eq. What I heard in my system was a higher frequency boost (without the muffling), but there seemed to be TOO MUCH boost on instruments like symbols. I would describe the sound as more like a recording made with no Dolby. I used to like that more exciting sound, but after hearing what Kermit and others have said about using Dolby B as a way to eliminate high frequency distortion, I have come to like Dolby B better than no Dolby. There are Nakkers who prefer non Dolby recording so perhaps there is room for personal preference in this matter, but I am in the Dolby B camp. So in sum, the chrome tapes with 120 eq did sound more "exciting" but overall I found it to be too much of a good thing in my system to my ears. My speakers (Quad ESL 63s) already have nice clarity in the higher frequencies so my system needs no boost in this area. YMMV. Jon On Jan 4, 2006, at 2:40 PM, Ron Walton wrote: > Thanks Jon, > > Did the recording sound okay once you switched the EQ back to 120/ > us ? since that is also where it was set when you recorded? > > Yes, my hearing is not quite as good, but I noticed the same thing > when I first got the deck when I was much younger in '87. One > night soon I will try a new recording with the EQ switch set for > chrome as well. There might be something in the auto-cal. that > also determines which EQ is set. I must say that I always thought > the EQ setting affected only playback and not what got recorded on > the tape. > > Is there a modification by ESL or someone whereby one can vary the > bias manually on the CR-7 while recording? > > And, does anyone have an answer to my question about the EQ mod for > the CR-7 ? > > Ron W. > > > Ron, > > I tried recording a chrome tape at the 120 equalization instead of > the 70 eq. I found on my Nak ZX7 with Emtec Chrome Extra tape > recording from vinyl that I did not like the sound as well. > > On my particular setup, the sound seemed a little bit muffled in > the midrange and treble and there seemed to be less response in the > upper bass area. > > But I definitely do like the tweak suggested by Dr. Dub to increase > the bias and level by 1.5. > You asked for comments so I just wanted to give you some feedback > on what works and does not work for me. YMMV. > > Jon > > > > > > On Jan 3, 2006, at 4:27 PM, Ron Walton wrote: > >> I understand the bias adjustment and how it affects frequency >> response. A musician friend many years ago told he he thought >> that Nakamichi had their bias set "too hot", which results in a >> softening of the the treble and upper treble. To compensate, when >> listening to chrome tapes, I set the EQ to 120us. Even for >> playback of the few metal tapes that I have, the treble sounds >> right when I set the EQ to 120. Do any of you do the same on a >> routine basis? Perhaps I am the only one? I have been listening >> this way for a very long time with my CR-7. Just purchased a ebay >> CR-3 and it sounds better with chrome tapes set to 120 us too. >> The CR-7 has been to the shop for calibration many times and it >> always sounds this way. >> >> To summarize, chrome tapes played at the proper EQ of 70us sound >> too dark, what some of you call a warm sound. When comparing the >> source to the tape, the treble is not even close until I switch >> the EQ to 120us. >> >> Comments?????? >> >> Ron W. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Kermit V. Gray >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 12:02 PM >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs >> >> Hi Jon, >> >> Jon Ochi wrote: >> > Dr. Dub, >> > >> > I tried boosting the Bias and the Level up 1.5 (one light + on >> blinking >> > light as per your directions) on my Nak ZX7. The results of >> that small >> > change really surprised me. The sound seems much clearer >> especially in >> > the midrange and upper midrange. I do not know the audiophile >> way to >> > describe the sound except to say that it is more lively--perhaps >> > because of the apparent boost to the mid/upper midrange. >> >> Bias level affects both frequency response and distortion. >> Apparently, >> you now have the setting that provides the lowest distortion and >> widest >> frequency response. >> >> > The other >> > discovery is that when I play that tape in the car, I can enjoy >> the >> > tape at a noticeably lower volume level. The sound just cuts >> through >> > the road noise much better. The low level sound retrieval is much >> > improved. >> >> Well consider this: compare two hypothetical tapes: >> >> #1 has narrow frequency response and high distortion. >> >> #2 has wide frequency response and low distortion. >> >> Tape #2 obviously will sound clearer and so will be easier to hear >> clearly at lower playback levels. >> >> So, now that you've found the optimum bias for your deck, your >> tapes are >> clearer and you do not need to play them as loudly to hear >> everything. >> >> That's my theory, anyway. >> >> > So my question is, why did I hear these differences? Please >> explain in >> > layman's terms if you can because I do not understand technical >> > theories very well. >> > >> > Thanks for any light you can shed on this. I really like the "new" >> > sound so far and want to record some other music to further >> > experiment. But for now, I find it so fascinating that such a >> small >> > tweak can change the sound like it does. >> >> >> -- >> Kermit Gray >> Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >> http://www.woods-and-waters.com >> http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio >> info >> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >> naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >> naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= > > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rob at rhoag.com Thu Jan 5 17:15:19 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 08:15:19 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks In-Reply-To: <1A0AA758-BE79-4FBA-807A-93C6DA584D9B@mac.com> Message-ID: Hi, Fred: Actually, the ZX-7 (1981-1984) was only made 1 year earlier then the ZX-9 (1982-1985). The ZX-7 I have now was made in `83, so would be 23 years old, not 30 something.. I'm not quibbling about this, it's just that everyone on this board has been talking about much older Naks as well that are their favorites, like the 1000 series (pre `84), the 680 series (pre `82), etc. Even a CR4 is going to be over 16 years old (1988-90). I think the main thing is going to be the condition it's in and whether parts are available. It seems like almost anything you buy on Ebay is going to need some work even though everyone of them states they "have had very little use," (Like some one is going to fork out the money for a new Nakamichi and then not use it?) ;~) The CR series is really nice, also, even the DR series, which are even newer then the CRs would be a great deal for the money.. the DR10 was made from 1999 on and has bias control, three heads, tape monitor, etc DR2 was the same and just a bit older. I've seen 3 head DRs sell on Ebay for $100-$200 There's a DR2 right now that's at $102, but the reserve hasn't been meet http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5848023820 Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Fred Lifton Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 5:15 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks Doane's point is well taken. I LOVE my Galinized ZX-7, it sounds wonderful and makes jaw-dropping recordings. However, there is another important difference between the 9 and 7. Namely, the ZX7 is going to be a considerably older machine, possibly as much as almost 30 years old. Just something to think about... Another good "entry level" Nak would be the CR-3 or 4 which offer some basic calibration/adjustment and three heads. I have a Sanktified CR-3 that sounds very nice and which, once its typical dying cam motor issues were solved, has proven quite reliable. My $.02. Fred On Jan 4, 2006, at 4:59 PM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: From: "Doane Hoag" Date: January 4, 2006 12:30:36 PM PST To: , "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Subject: RE: [naktalk] Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks I can heartely recommend the 3 head ZX7, especially if you are going to be doing a lot of recording... or the ZX9, which is the same as the ZX7 but with a different transport with slighly better wow and flutter, but you will probably pay several hundred more for the 9, if you can find one. Both have tape monitors, record head azimuth, bias and levels adjustment, and two speed cue forward and backward. Second, for less money, would be the 3 head LX5, with not as much recording control as the 7 or 9, but it does have a tape monitor and bias adjustment, which helps a lot in recording. Doane -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rondo at nottltd.com Thu Jan 5 17:17:51 2006 From: rondo at nottltd.com (Ron Walton) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 09:17:51 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 EQ Mod References: <200601051501.k05F1pIW007803@zxe.naks.com> <006e01c6120e$78dcdba0$8902a8c0@warbird> Message-ID: <096201c61213$93666e00$6401a8c0@Rondo> Thanks Paul, I will have to check my serial number. I bought the deck new in '87. Around 1992 I sent it in for service and they (Listen UP, Denver) called me to say it needed the gear update. Would they have done the EQ update automatically if it needed it? Ron W. > And, does anyone have an answer to my question about the EQ mod for the CR-7 > Ron W. Hi, Ron: The recording eq "correction" and gear update is needed for CR7's pre-S/N A130-08677. I seem to remember it was an issue between IEC1 and IEC2 standards and the sweet permalloy heads all Nak triple head decks use. The equalization upgrade was incorporated in production after S/N A130-08677, during the last quarter of 1985. I've never heard a CR7 before this update (Stephen Sank reworked mine immediately after a purchase), but I can tell you the post-mod sound is wonderful. However, all the recent discussion has led me to believe that a ZX9 needs to be in my future..... Paul -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.13/221 - Release Date: 1/4/2006 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From timbarrett at cox.net Thu Jan 5 18:17:38 2006 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 12:17:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43BD54B2.1060804@cox.net> No, that's wrong. Equilization affects both record and playback. To test this, pop a tape in your machine and begin recording. While recording, flip the EQ switch back and forth a few times from 70 to 120. Then play back the recorded section but leave the EQ switch in one position - you'll hear the sound quality change at the spots where you were flipping the switch while recording. In the ZX-7 service manual (page 60) are two graphs, one is the Playback EQ amp frequency response, the other is the Record EQ amp current frequency response. The graphs show deviations of 3 to 4 dB between 70uS and 120uS settings which begin at about 800Hz continue up to slightly over 20kHz. Tim Doane Hoag wrote: > Equilization does only effect playback, but during recording, if your > equilization is set wrong I guess it would change the sound if you > have a tape monitor switch and are trying to A/B. > > Doane > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]*On > Behalf Of *Ron Walton > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 04, 2006 1:41 PM > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs > > Thanks Jon, > > Did the recording sound okay once you switched the EQ back to 120/us ? > since that is also where it was set when you recorded? > > Yes, my hearing is not quite as good, but I noticed the same thing > when I first got the deck when I was much younger in '87. One night > soon I will try a new recording with the EQ switch set for chrome as > well. There might be something in the auto-cal. that also determines > which EQ is set. I must say that I always thought the EQ setting > affected only playback and not what got recorded on the tape. > > Is there a modification by ESL or someone whereby one can vary the > bias manually on the CR-7 while recording? > > And, does anyone have an answer to my question about the EQ mod for > the CR-7 ? > > Ron W. > > > Ron, > > I tried recording a chrome tape at the 120 equalization instead of > the 70 eq. I found on my Nak ZX7 with Emtec Chrome Extra tape > recording from vinyl that I did not like the sound as well. > > On my particular setup, the sound seemed a little bit muffled in > the midrange and treble and there seemed to be less response in > the upper bass area. > > But I definitely do like the tweak suggested by Dr. Dub to > increase the bias and level by 1.5. > You asked for comments so I just wanted to give you some feedback > on what works and does not work for me. YMMV. > > Jon > > > > > > On Jan 3, 2006, at 4:27 PM, Ron Walton wrote: > >> I understand the bias adjustment and how it affects frequency >> response. A musician friend many years ago told he he thought >> that Nakamichi had their bias set "too hot", which results in a >> softening of the the treble and upper treble. To compensate, >> when listening to chrome tapes, I set the EQ to 120/us. / Even >> for playback of the few metal tapes that I have, the treble >> sounds right when I set the EQ to 120. Do any of you do the same >> on a routine basis? Perhaps I am the only one? I have been >> listening this way for a very long time with my CR-7. Just >> purchased a ebay CR-3 and it sounds better with chrome tapes set >> to 120 /us /too. The CR-7 has been to the shop for calibration >> many times and it always sounds this way. >> // >> To summarize, chrome tapes played at the proper EQ of 70/us >> /sound too dark, what some of you call a warm sound. When >> comparing the source to the tape, the treble is not even close >> until I switch the EQ to 120/us./ >> // >> Comments?????? >> >> Ron W. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Kermit V. Gray >> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 03, 2006 12:02 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs >> >> Hi Jon, >> >> Jon Ochi wrote: >> > Dr. Dub, >> > >> > I tried boosting the Bias and the Level up 1.5 (one light + >> on blinking >> > light as per your directions) on my Nak ZX7. The results >> of that small >> > change really surprised me. The sound seems much clearer >> especially in >> > the midrange and upper midrange. I do not know the >> audiophile way to >> > describe the sound except to say that it is more >> lively--perhaps >> > because of the apparent boost to the mid/upper midrange. >> >> Bias level affects both frequency response and distortion. >> Apparently, >> you now have the setting that provides the lowest distortion >> and widest >> frequency response. >> >> > The other >> > discovery is that when I play that tape in the car, I can >> enjoy the >> > tape at a noticeably lower volume level. The sound just >> cuts through >> > the road noise much better. The low level sound retrieval >> is much >> > improved. >> >> Well consider this: compare two hypothetical tapes: >> >> #1 has narrow frequency response and high distortion. >> >> #2 has wide frequency response and low distortion. >> >> Tape #2 obviously will sound clearer and so will be easier to >> hear >> clearly at lower playback levels. >> >> So, now that you've found the optimum bias for your deck, >> your tapes are >> clearer and you do not need to play them as loudly to hear >> everything. >> >> That's my theory, anyway. >> >> > So my question is, why did I hear these differences? >> Please explain in >> > layman's terms if you can because I do not understand >> technical >> > theories very well. >> > >> > Thanks for any light you can shed on this. I really like >> the "new" >> > sound so far and want to record some other music to further >> > experiment. But for now, I find it so fascinating that >> such a small >> > tweak can change the sound like it does. >> >> >> -- >> Kermit Gray >> Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >> http://www.woods-and-waters.com >> http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro >> audio info >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com >> mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com >> mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 5 18:22:21 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 09:22:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth and NAAC stuff In-Reply-To: <007701c61212$7d46a190$8902a8c0@warbird> Message-ID: <20060105172221.88430.qmail@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You found my web page. If you spot any errors please let me know. Scott J. --- Paul Dingle wrote: > Hi, folks--was going through my bookmarks, and found a web page by > Scott > Johnson that answers some questions about Nak decks that > periodically come > up on the list: > > http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html > > A couple of interesting snips: > with > azimuth adjust capability. > > The 660ZX, 670ZX, 680ZX, 681ZX and 682ZX automatically adjust the > record > head azimuth to the stationary playback head during record auto > calibration. > On the plain 680 the record head must be manually adjusted to the > playback. > > The ZX-7 and ZX-9 has user adjustable record head azimuth. > > The CR-7, Cassette Deck 1, DR-1, TD-500, TD-700 and TD-800 have > manual > playback azimuth adjustment during playback only. On the CR-7 (and > maybe > the Cassette Deck 1 and DR-1 too) the front panel azimuth pot is > bypassed > and the playback head is automatically adjusted to the record head > during > recording. When switching to play the head rotates back to the > position > indicated by the azimuth adjust pot. > > The Dragon, with NAAC, automatically adjusts the playback head to > the tape > during playback and is automatically adjusted to the record head in > record > mode. No manual adjustment is possible. The TD-1200 with NAAC > performs > exactly like the Dragon, but, in play only since is doesn't record. > > Of course ALL the decks have azimuth adjust screws for the service > person to > tweak. If you don't have the calibration tapes and equipment > necessary to > make these adjustments please don't.> > > and, on NAAC: > > < What is NAAC? > NAAC stands for Nakamichi Auto Azimuth Correction. Only the Dragon > home > deck and the various versions of the TD-1200 for the car have NAAC. > It > works by splitting the gap on the right channel into 2 gaps. Each > gap is > then separately amplified, send through a 3-6 kHz bandpass filters > and > waveform squaring circuits before they go to a phase comparator. > The phase > comparator then feeds a circuit that drives the PB head azimuth > motor to > minimize the error. NAAC has a funny scheme for when it operates. > NAAC > operation is started when the transport is put into play or when > audio is > silent for approximately 2 seconds. 100mS after music is detected > the NAAC > light will start flashing at a 2 Hz rate and will continue for > about 6 > seconds. The azimuth motor is driven to find the point of least > phase error > for about 3 seconds then it will stop for 3 seconds and adjust > again for > about 3 seconds if there is still some error. After 10 seconds > NAAC will > stop even if it hasn't found the correct azimuth. NAAC will > restart again > when music resumes after a 2 second or more period of silence or > when the > direction of tape travel is reversed or when going to stop and back > to play. > NAAC does NOT continuously adjust azimuth through out the tape. > > NAAC light off - System was reset > NAAC light flashing - System is currently adjusting > NAAC light on - System has completed it's adjustment > > More information can be found on page 4 of the Dragon brochure. I > have > posted a scan here: > http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/brochures/Dragon_4_sm.jpg> > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.13/221 - Release Date: > 1/4/2006 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From jeff at eslabs.com Thu Jan 5 19:30:22 2006 From: jeff at eslabs.com (jeff at eslabs.com) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 13:30:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks References: <200601050059.k050xGW1005103@zxe.naks.com> <1A0AA758-BE79-4FBA-807A-93C6DA584D9B@mac.com> Message-ID: <008e01c6122e$838ed790$6401a8c0@SONYNOTEBOOK> Hi Fred, I just want you to know that I am not the only Nakamichi expert at E.S. Labs. Most of the cassette decks are serviced by Erik, the perfectionist! We work as a team! Therefore, "Galinized" won't fly. These days, I am just a troubleshooter when in need and that is not too often. I'm buried in paperwork and on a mission to find replacement parts. By the way, a ZX-7 can't be more than 25 years old. Sincerely, Jeff Galin "Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975! ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS 1807 Berlin Turnpike Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA VOICE & FAX 860-529-3700 Monday to Friday from 8am to 6pm ET jeff at nakamichi.us jeff at eslabs.com www.nakamichi.us ----- Original Message ----- From: Fred Lifton To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 8:14 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks Doane's point is well taken. I LOVE my Galinized ZX-7, it sounds wonderful and makes jaw-dropping recordings. However, there is another important difference between the 9 and 7. Namely, the ZX7 is going to be a considerably older machine, possibly as much as almost 30 years old. Just something to think about... Another good "entry level" Nak would be the CR-3 or 4 which offer some basic calibration/adjustment and three heads. I have a Sanktified CR-3 that sounds very nice and which, once its typical dying cam motor issues were solved, has proven quite reliable. My $.02. Fred On Jan 4, 2006, at 4:59 PM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: From: "Doane Hoag" Date: January 4, 2006 12:30:36 PM PST To: , "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Subject: RE: [naktalk] Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks I can heartely recommend the 3 head ZX7, especially if you are going to be doing a lot of recording... or the ZX9, which is the same as the ZX7 but with a different transport with slighly better wow and flutter, but you will probably pay several hundred more for the 9, if you can find one. Both have tape monitors, record head azimuth, bias and levels adjustment, and two speed cue forward and backward. Second, for less money, would be the 3 head LX5, with not as much recording control as the 7 or 9, but it does have a tape monitor and bias adjustment, which helps a lot in recording. Doane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fugue4all at shaw.ca Thu Jan 5 21:36:28 2006 From: fugue4all at shaw.ca (Paul Dingle) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 15:36:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Azimuth and NAAC stuff References: <200601051933.k05JX6F5008958@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <010301c61237$b4823050$8902a8c0@warbird> Hi, Scott: Just a thank-you for the content on your web page--I've had it for about three years now, and found it both useful and enlightening. Best, Paul >> From: Scott Johnson > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Azimuth and NAAC stuff > > > You found my web page. > > If you spot any errors please let me know. > > Scott J. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.13/221 - Release Date: 1/4/2006 From fugue4all at shaw.ca Thu Jan 5 21:51:17 2006 From: fugue4all at shaw.ca (Paul Dingle) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 15:51:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 EQ mod/ Jeff Galin on "Galinizing" References: <200601051933.k05JX6F5008958@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <010b01c61239$c64786d0$8902a8c0@warbird> Hi, Ron: You may have purchased a pre-85 unit. I don't know if the eq issue was a "standard" or mandated repair with authorized Nakamichi service folks (Jeff Galin could speak best to this-he just posted!), or had to be requested. Interestingly, in a copy of my CR7 service manual (from techman777 on EBay) there are service update instructions for the gear mod, but no info on the eq mod. I read a great deal about the differences between the older transport mechanisms and the Sankyo ones, and had some initial concerns about the reliability of the CR7, but it has since proven to be a real workhorse for me once the cam motor issue was resolved. The other big plus for me is that OEM belts aren't as critical in the CR7 (or ZX9) like they are in my LX3. Jeff, if you're out there, can you shed any light on any of this? Best, Paul > From: "Ron Walton" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 EQ Mod >> Thanks Paul, > > I will have to check my serial number. I bought the deck new in '87. Around 1992 I sent it in for service and they (Listen UP, Denver) called me to say it needed the gear update. Would they have done the EQ update automatically if it needed it? > > Ron W. > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.13/221 - Release Date: 1/4/2006 From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Jan 5 21:54:07 2006 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 07:54:07 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 670ZX front panel colors Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531DC75@mis-exchange.necau.nec.com.au> I think that this deck has been modified or the paint has faded, I've never seen any Nak 6xx series deck with this finish. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Marc Stager Sent: Thursday, 5 January 2006 5:14 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nak 670ZX front panel colors I'm looking at a Nak 670 in a two-tone finish: The font panel extrusions are black on a beautiful dark reddish-bronze background. This picture is a little too light but you can see what I mean. http://naumburgconcerts.org/media/Nak670-3.jpg Was this a common panel design for this machine? The only other 670Z's I've seen, and the one pictured at the Naks.con site are all black. http://www.naks.com/cgi-bin/modelspage.pl?series=660/670 Thanks, Marc Stager ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rob at rhoag.com Thu Jan 5 17:35:20 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 08:35:20 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Pamela Brown In-Reply-To: <43BCADDD.6080200@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: HOhoooo... One of my favorite stoned days singers too, along with Danny O'keefe, the Farina's, Ricky Lee Jones, Dylan, of course, and a bunch of others. Camping, deep in Mexico, in my `66 split window VW campmobile with a pop up canvas top that I put a skylight in, mahagony lined interior, and a super Pioneer cassette AM/FM with separate amp and some KLH 6" door speakers and Minimus 7 speakers in the back hooked up as ambience speakers using the Hafler circuit http://sound.westhost.com/project18.htm .. wow did that sound great! Guess I should be glad I'm still alive! :~) Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 9:26 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pamela Brown Hi Gra' Oh wow ... Leo Kottke! My favorite album all through high school and college was “Dreams And All That Stuff”, which had the tracks Mona Ray, When Shrimps Learn to Whistle, Twilight Property, Bill Cheatham, Vertical Trees, Constant Traveler, Why Ask Why?, Taking a Sandwich to A Feast, Hole in the Day and Mona Roy (my favorite track). Actually, it was the ONLY Kottke album I had, but it was still my favorite. I wore out three copies of the LP. Still have at least one copy, maybe two. And I have no idea how many cassette copies (made on the Nak 600-II) I wore out. I kept intending to try his other albums but somehow never got the chance. I often used cassettes of the album (played back via the Nak 550) to help set up SR systems. You have to see how the sound coverage and overall frequency balance is in the venue, right? Anyway, it was a good excuse to enjoy my music on a really big audio system. Following your mess[age] I looked up the lyrics to "Pamela Brown." I haven't laughed this hard in years! Hey, what can I say, I'm not the "domestic bliss" type of guy but I admire those who are. Too many ideas to try out. Too much music to listen to. Probably a good thing I never married. I'd pity the poor girl. Nelson wrote: > The story reminds me of that song "Pamela Brown" by Leo Kottke... -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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We have sold some ZX-7's & ZX-9's that we modified to have a play head azimuth adjustment instead of the record head. Sincerely, Jeff Galin "Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975! ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS 1807 Berlin Turnpike Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA VOICE & FAX 860-529-3700 Monday to Friday from 8am to 6pm ET jeff at nakamichi.us jeff at eslabs.com www.nakamichi.us ----- Original Message ----- From: Fred Lifton To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 7:20 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: How many turns to adjust Azimuth on ZX7 / ZX9 On my ESL rebuilt ZX7, I find I have to turn the azimuth adjust knob quite slowly and then wait for it to "catch up." It never takes more than about 1/2 turn or so to find the correct adjustment. Going slowly and waiting is the key. Good things take time... Happy New Year Nakkers! cheers, Fred On Jan 2, 2006, at 7:24 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: From: Sándor István Date: January 2, 2006 3:30:42 AM PST To: thole at planet.nl, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] How many turns to adjust Azimuth on ZX7 / ZX9 Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Hello Superthol, the ZX-series are very nice units (my opinion). My opinion also (some may not agree) that record head azimuth justage is a more important factor, than playback azimuth correction (supposed you make recordings on your deck, and usually listen to cassettes made on properly aligned decks). If you make your own records, and you use different kind of cassettes, it is a must to have this feature. I admit my RX-505 plays nice also, but far from recording capabilities of my ZX-7, because record azimuth correction is not provided (and some other calibration features also missing), it is a big handycap. As the recording head azimuth setting procedure is based on the playback-head response it is vital your playback section MUST be set correctly first. Otherwise all is for nothing, you MAY make recordings sound good on your (the same) machine, but they will be mostly poor on other units. The azimuth-justage is mechanical. A small worm-gear moves a steel tape (which is fitted in a ladder-like blue plastic), and this steel tape moves the recording head. Be very careful with setting the azimuth, as the connection between the worm-gear and the steel tape is quite weak, and it may happen they will disengage. Then you have to repair it... For this reason I heavily recommend to use the azimuth-knob very gently, do not turn it fast (let it settle), and do not turn it over (I have no data what is the range of the knob, and to be honest I do not have the intention to risk a try also). If you feel that the knob is stopped, under no circumstances turn it with force. Happy New Year! :-) István Ps.: ZX-7/9 have NO playback-azimuth correction feature. You must have a CR7, a Dragon, or a 680 series deck (am I right?) for this purpose. 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I know the subject has been discussed exhaustively on this list and that many of us feel that most interconnects are snake-oil and that people who claim to hear a difference are psycho-acoustically influenced by the large amount of money they just spent on two chunks of wire wrapped in plastic. In my experience, $10-$20 buys you a nice sturdy cable with good quality shielding, plenty of copper and a firm connection. That's all you need. Bi-amping makes even less sense to me. Besides introducing all sorts of phase/timing issues, what purpose does it fulfill? Will your amplifier really be helped by not having to drive the tweeters? If so, shop for a new amp, not a second amp! I don't buy the interference claims either. Guitarists don't use one amp for the three high strings and one for the three bass strings and, electrically, these are much smaller signals and so presumably more prone to interference and interaction due to inductance. Same thing applies to pure acoustics: all the tones come out of the same sound hole on a violin, right? No, for me bi-amping makes about as much sense as any other form of segregation. That's my $.02. Take it or leave it. cheers, Fred On Jan 5, 2006, at 3:00 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > Budget, i'm not sure nad was hoping for some guidance. I was hoping > to keep it around £100 to £150, addingthe cost of a decent > interconnect will push the purchase up and i do want to keep the > budget reasonable because i'm also tempted to try and find a power > amp to bi amp my speakers. If my budget is unrealistic i'll need to > reconsider and perhaps forgoe the amp. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doug at whiteapple.u-net.com Thu Jan 5 21:13:40 2006 From: doug at whiteapple.u-net.com (Doug Locke) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 20:13:40 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Pamela Brown In-Reply-To: <43BCADDD.6080200@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: Hello Kermit, Gra' Fully agree on the Leo Kottke, Dreams and all that stuff and My Feet Are Smiling occupy two valued spaces in the LP rack! (Plus a Cd version of My Father's Face). Regards from someone on their second attempt at "domestic bliss". Doug. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray Sent: 05 January 2006 05:26 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pamela Brown Hi Gra' Oh wow ... Leo Kottke! My favorite album all through high school and college was “Dreams And All That Stuff”, which had the tracks Mona Ray, When Shrimps Learn to Whistle, Twilight Property, Bill Cheatham, Vertical Trees, Constant Traveler, Why Ask Why?, Taking a Sandwich to A Feast, Hole in the Day and Mona Roy (my favorite track). Actually, it was the ONLY Kottke album I had, but it was still my favorite. I wore out three copies of the LP. Still have at least one copy, maybe two. And I have no idea how many cassette copies (made on the Nak 600-II) I wore out. I kept intending to try his other albums but somehow never got the chance. I often used cassettes of the album (played back via the Nak 550) to help set up SR systems. You have to see how the sound coverage and overall frequency balance is in the venue, right? Anyway, it was a good excuse to enjoy my music on a really big audio system. Following your mess[age] I looked up the lyrics to "Pamela Brown." I haven't laughed this hard in years! Hey, what can I say, I'm not the "domestic bliss" type of guy but I admire those who are. Too many ideas to try out. Too much music to listen to. Probably a good thing I never married. I'd pity the poor girl. Nelson wrote: > The story reminds me of that song "Pamela Brown" by Leo Kottke... -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From rob at rhoag.com Thu Jan 5 21:34:14 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 12:34:14 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs In-Reply-To: <43BD54B2.1060804@cox.net> Message-ID: You're absolutely right, don't know what I was thinking of... and I do set mine to the correct position for recording and playback, sorry. Doane -----Original Message----- From: Tim Barrett [mailto:timbarrett at cox.net] Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 9:18 AM To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs No, that's wrong. Equilization affects both record and playback. To test this, pop a tape in your machine and begin recording. While recording, flip the EQ switch back and forth a few times from 70 to 120. Then play back the recorded section but leave the EQ switch in one position - you'll hear the sound quality change at the spots where you were flipping the switch while recording. In the ZX-7 service manual (page 60) are two graphs, one is the Playback EQ amp frequency response, the other is the Record EQ amp current frequency response. The graphs show deviations of 3 to 4 dB between 70uS and 120uS settings which begin at about 800Hz continue up to slightly over 20kHz. Tim Doane Hoag wrote: Equilization does only effect playback, but during recording, if your equilization is set wrong I guess it would change the sound if you have a tape monitor switch and are trying to A/B. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Walton Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 1:41 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs Thanks Jon, Did the recording sound okay once you switched the EQ back to 120/us ? since that is also where it was set when you recorded? Yes, my hearing is not quite as good, but I noticed the same thing when I first got the deck when I was much younger in '87. One night soon I will try a new recording with the EQ switch set for chrome as well. There might be something in the auto-cal. that also determines which EQ is set. I must say that I always thought the EQ setting affected only playback and not what got recorded on the tape. Is there a modification by ESL or someone whereby one can vary the bias manually on the CR-7 while recording? And, does anyone have an answer to my question about the EQ mod for the CR-7 ? Ron W. Ron, I tried recording a chrome tape at the 120 equalization instead of the 70 eq. I found on my Nak ZX7 with Emtec Chrome Extra tape recording from vinyl that I did not like the sound as well. On my particular setup, the sound seemed a little bit muffled in the midrange and treble and there seemed to be less response in the upper bass area. But I definitely do like the tweak suggested by Dr. Dub to increase the bias and level by 1.5. You asked for comments so I just wanted to give you some feedback on what works and does not work for me. YMMV. Jon On Jan 3, 2006, at 4:27 PM, Ron Walton wrote: I understand the bias adjustment and how it affects frequency response. A musician friend many years ago told he he thought that Nakamichi had their bias set "too hot", which results in a softening of the the treble and upper treble. To compensate, when listening to chrome tapes, I set the EQ to 120us. Even for playback of the few metal tapes that I have, the treble sounds right when I set the EQ to 120. Do any of you do the same on a routine basis? Perhaps I am the only one? I have been listening this way for a very long time with my CR-7. Just purchased a ebay CR-3 and it sounds better with chrome tapes set to 120 us too. The CR-7 has been to the shop for calibration many times and it always sounds this way. To summarize, chrome tapes played at the proper EQ of 70us sound too dark, what some of you call a warm sound. When comparing the source to the tape, the treble is not even close until I switch the EQ to 120us. Comments?????? Ron W. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kermit V. Gray To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs Hi Jon, Jon Ochi wrote: > Dr. Dub, > > I tried boosting the Bias and the Level up 1.5 (one light + on blinking > light as per your directions) on my Nak ZX7. The results of that small > change really surprised me. The sound seems much clearer especially in > the midrange and upper midrange. I do not know the audiophile way to > describe the sound except to say that it is more lively--perhaps > because of the apparent boost to the mid/upper midrange. Bias level affects both frequency response and distortion. Apparently, you now have the setting that provides the lowest distortion and widest frequency response. > The other > discovery is that when I play that tape in the car, I can enjoy the > tape at a noticeably lower volume level. The sound just cuts through > the road noise much better. The low level sound retrieval is much > improved. Well consider this: compare two hypothetical tapes: #1 has narrow frequency response and high distortion. #2 has wide frequency response and low distortion. Tape #2 obviously will sound clearer and so will be easier to hear clearly at lower playback levels. So, now that you've found the optimum bias for your deck, your tapes are clearer and you do not need to play them as loudly to hear everything. That's my theory, anyway. > So my question is, why did I hear these differences? Please explain in > layman's terms if you can because I do not understand technical > theories very well. > > Thanks for any light you can shed on this. I really like the "new" > sound so far and want to record some other music to further > experiment. But for now, I find it so fascinating that such a small > tweak can change the sound like it does. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------=== ====== Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------=== ====== Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------=== ====== ========---------------------------------------------------------===== ==== Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------===== ==== Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------===== ==== ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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During my apprenticeship I worked part-time making advertsing and PSA tapes for AM broadcasts, and my mentor was a broadcast engineer at a local daytimer, as well as being an avid Ham radio guy. Even did the slow-scan tv, which was pretty interesting. I showed him my transmitter. He remarked it had the best AUDIO circuitry he'd ever seen in a transmitter but the RF sections were mediocre. He suggested I replace my awful Hartley local oscillator (which was made of scavenged parts -- I used the primary of an push-pull plate-to-voice coil transformer as one of the inductors) with a crystal oscillator and he loaned me a set of crystals for each available frequency. He also remarked that a 6L6 isn't really the best choice for an RF power amp, andsuggested I should have chosen a tube made for the purpose. Hey, it was a lark, and the whole transmitter was made of scrap parts. 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URL: From rondo at nottltd.com Thu Jan 5 22:20:46 2006 From: rondo at nottltd.com (Ron Walton) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 14:20:46 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 670ZX front panel colors References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531DC75@mis-exchange.necau.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <0aba01c6123d$e4c182b0$6401a8c0@Rondo> RE: [naktalk] Nak 670ZX front panel colorsHow does one get to the pictures page on www.naks.com ??? I can't seem to find anything to click on that brings up pictures of the various models> Ron W. I think that this deck has been modified or the paint has faded, I've never seen any Nak 6xx series deck with this finish. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Marc Stager Sent: Thursday, 5 January 2006 5:14 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nak 670ZX front panel colors I'm looking at a Nak 670 in a two-tone finish: The font panel extrusions are black on a beautiful dark reddish-bronze background. This picture is a little too light but you can see what I mean. http://naumburgconcerts.org/media/Nak670-3.jpg Was this a common panel design for this machine? The only other 670Z's I've seen, and the one pictured at the Naks.con site are all black. http://www.naks.com/cgi-bin/modelspage.pl?series=660/670 Thanks, Marc Stager ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From flifton at mac.com Thu Jan 5 22:44:24 2006 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 13:44:24 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 35, Issue 19 In-Reply-To: <200601051933.k05JWt05008949@zxe.naks.com> References: <200601051933.k05JWt05008949@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <5D8364C8-C996-4C70-97AE-838661D55B7B@mac.com> Darn, ESLified just doesn't roll off the tongue as nicely... Sorry, I did my math wrong figuring the age of ZX-7's. What can I say, I was an English major for a reason. The point remains, however, that they are old machines and buyers should keep that in mind. best, Fred On Jan 5, 2006, at 11:33 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > Hi Fred, > > I just want you to know that I am not the only Nakamichi expert at > E.S. Labs. Most of the cassette decks are serviced by Erik, the > perfectionist! We work as a team! Therefore, "Galinized" won't fly. > > These days, I am just a troubleshooter when in need and that is not > too often. I'm buried in paperwork and on a mission to find > replacement parts. > > By the way, a ZX-7 can't be more than 25 years old. > > Sincerely, > Jeff Galin From matyas at bluewin.ch Thu Jan 5 23:03:01 2006 From: matyas at bluewin.ch (Matyas) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 23:03:01 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 670ZX front panel colors Message-ID: <43BD9795.9010301@bluewin.ch> This dark reddish-bronze finnish is normal, but exagerated by JPEG compression & white balance/gamma curve + ambiant color tones in the room. pictures of my dusty & dead 680ZX : http://img274.imageshack.us/my.php?image=680zxcolor8rv.jpg http://img206.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nak680zxclosecolor4fx.jpg I had seen an another 680ZX, it was also the same finnish. From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu Jan 5 23:26:16 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 23:26:16 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 670ZX front panel colors In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20060105010607.02b43f10@stager.com> References: <200601050102.k0512lqT005188@zxe.naks.com> <6.2.5.6.2.20060105010607.02b43f10@stager.com> Message-ID: <43BD9D08.8050501@xs4all.nl> Hi Marc, From my stack: 1) 680zx brownish like yours 2) 680zx brownish like yours (slightly darker then 1) 3) 670zx brownish like yours 4) 680zx very very dark brown 5) 660zx very very dark brown (like 4) 6) 682zx a bit darker then 3, could be called black The darker 680zx is the older one. Wouter Marc Stager wrote: > Was this a common panel design for this machine? From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Jan 6 00:21:18 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 18:21:18 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 EQ mod/ Jeff Galin on "Galinizing" In-Reply-To: <010b01c61239$c64786d0$8902a8c0@warbird> References: <200601051933.k05JX6F5008958@zxe.naks.com> <010b01c61239$c64786d0$8902a8c0@warbird> Message-ID: <43BDA9EE.8090003@rcn.com> I built the eq mod into my CR-7 several years ago. As already stated, it is required in CR-7s preceding S/N 08677. Date of ECO was 22 May 1987. It states that Nakamichi does not recommend updating all decks, only those where customers complain about the dull recordings. There is also some mealy mouthed, self serving explanation, that Stephen Sank marked, in hand writing, "Load of crap" ... Installing the mod requires recalibration of the deck. At the time, I shipped it to Stephen, where it stayed for an eternity and a half... Once back, it sounded amazing! -- Ron Paul Dingle wrote: > Hi, Ron: > > You may have purchased a pre-85 unit. I don't know if the eq issue was a > "standard" or mandated repair with authorized Nakamichi service folks (Jeff > Galin could speak best to this-he just posted!), or had to be requested. > > Interestingly, in a copy of my CR7 service manual (from techman777 on EBay) > there are service update instructions for the gear mod, but no info on the > eq mod. > > I read a great deal about the differences between the older transport > mechanisms and the Sankyo ones, and had some initial concerns about the > reliability of the CR7, but it has since proven to be a real workhorse for > me once the cam motor issue was resolved. The other big plus for me is that > OEM belts aren't as critical in the CR7 (or ZX9) like they are in my LX3. > > Jeff, if you're out there, can you shed any light on any of this? > > Best, > > Paul > > > >>From: "Ron Walton" >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 EQ Mod >> >>>Thanks Paul, >> >>I will have to check my serial number. I bought the deck new in '87. > > Around 1992 I sent it in for service and they (Listen UP, Denver) called me > to say it needed the gear update. Would they have done the EQ update > automatically if it needed it? > >>Ron W. >> > > > > From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Jan 6 00:22:03 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 17:22:03 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks In-Reply-To: <891B5D3C-F3DE-4E3B-8EFC-9BEAF57305D7@mac.com> References: <200601051100.k05B04CM007218@zxe.naks.com> <891B5D3C-F3DE-4E3B-8EFC-9BEAF57305D7@mac.com> Message-ID: <43BDAA1B.2020701@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Fred, Fred Lifton wrote: > Bi-amping makes even less sense to me. Besides introducing all sorts of > phase/timing issues, what purpose does it fulfill? Will your amplifier > really be helped by not having to drive the tweeters? If so, shop for a > new amp, not a second amp! I don't buy the interference claims either. Biamping is a neccessity for high powered sound re-enforcement systems. For home stereo it also makes limited sense, far more sense than does buying a trendy SET amp. Biamping, for one thing, can reduce the FM distortion of the amplfifer by reducing its effective bandwidth. Unless you listen to your music at discotheque levels, in all candor, biamping will gain you little or nothing for the money -- which is better spent having your Nak restored or buying other cool gear. -- Kermit Gray http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Jan 6 00:35:44 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 17:35:44 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs In-Reply-To: <050601c61147$2429fec0$6401a8c0@Rondo> References: <36245BEF-C67E-4CC8-9B3E-B3FB7953FE10@qwest.net> <43BACA51.8080104@woods-and-waters.com> <03ee01c610bb$43a31d90$6401a8c0@Rondo> <43BB486B.9020008@woods-and-waters.com> <050601c61147$2429fec0$6401a8c0@Rondo> Message-ID: <43BDAD50.4040709@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Ron, Ron Walton wrote: > Kermit, > > Even the chrome tapes recorded on my CR-7 sound better when played back > on the CR-7 when the switch is set for 120/us. I don't think the deck > is miscalibrated. It is possible that I have left the EQ switch on > 120/us while recording with chrome tape. I was under the impression > that this was for playback EQ only, and besides, I have experimented > with the EQ switch while monitoring a recording in progress. The switch affects both record and reproduce. The standard is 70uS with Chrome tape during both record and reproduce. > Could it > be that the auto-calibrate function takes the EQ switch position into > account when it does it's thing? The bias switch is set for Type II > tape when I record. You'd have to ask a CR7 owner. I've wondered the same thing. > > I know it is not the speakers, as I have Infinity RSIIb with famous EMIT > tweeters. Wow. Yes, the speakers are not the trouble. I rememeber the EMIT as being a bit bright but very fast and detailed. Ever hear the Transar? It's one of my favorite speakers. > My emails showed up twice.... Yes, I wanted to respond yesterday to two > different postings. I click on reply, compose message, send, and then > realize it only goes to the person who sent the email. So I re-send by > clicking on "Reply All". What is the correct way to reply to this > list? "Reply all" is recommended UNLESS you want the reply to be private to the sender only. > Since reading yesterday about an "EQ" modification, I immediately found > two different CR-7's on ebay which each claim to have the upgrade. What > exactly is this EQ mod? Would it cure my perceived problem? What was > the modification supposed to take care of? It updates the recorder from the older IEC1 EQ curve to the current IEC2 EQ curve. You should not change your deck if you have recorded many tapes with it because it will change the sound of the tapes adversely. I prefer the sound of IEC1 over IEC2. The upgrade, which changes the deck to IEC2 EQ is recommended: if you play only pre-recorded tapes, or tapes made with decks other than your Nak, OR if you trade tapes with other persons who do not have Nak decks. Send the deck to ESL for the upgrade if youre in the USA. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From matt_ryde at lineone.net Fri Jan 6 00:33:44 2006 From: matt_ryde at lineone.net (Matt) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 23:33:44 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks In-Reply-To: <43BC723E.30804@cox.net> References: <43BC2A64.5050401@lineone.net> <43BC2C9D.2000408@bellsouth.net> <43BC631D.5080506@lineone.net> <43BC723E.30804@cox.net> Message-ID: <43BDACD8.1050107@lineone.net> Thanks for the mozilla tip, actioned and working. All the responses are much appreciated although I'm beginning to think it'd better start collecting naks machines. I guess it's like a lot of things everyone has their own favourite. When I was testing speakers with my kit my taste differed somewhat from what various people thought I should combine. In reality I probably won't be doing too much recording, I'd just like to hear some of my old music in a new and better way, although that's not always a good thing, but it's a great feeling to get re acquainted with old friends after some years. I need to start looking around to see what's available then I guess I can start to make a choice. All the posts have been really helpful and I will cogitate all the various views, thanks ever so much. Matt Tim Barrett wrote: > Matt - > > I'm a Thunderbird user too. To include the original text in your > reply, click on 'Tools', then 'Account Settings', and then under your > account click on 'Composition and Addressing'. Put a check mark in > the "Automatically quote the original message when replying" box. > Under that, you can choose to put your reply above or below the > quote. As you can see, mine is set to be above the original quote. > > Tim > > As far as your Nak needs are concerned, I recommend you stick with a 3 > head deck, and the most cost-effective 3 head machine is probably the > LX-5. It seems undervalued for some reason but is a wonderful machine > - and stylish, too. Above that, try for one of the ZX series. With > them, you gain auto azimuth alignment and more flexible recording > control. > > Matt wrote: > >> Hi, this is my first attempt at posting and replying and I'm not too >> sure of the proper way to respond so if i get this wrong forgive me. >> I'm using mozilla thunderbird and it doesn't seem to include the >> message i'm replying to. >> >> Budget, i'm not sure nad was hoping for some guidance. I was hoping >> to keep it around £100 to £150, addingthe cost of a decent >> interconnect will push the purchase up and i do want to keep the >> budget reasonable because i'm also tempted to try and find a power >> amp to bi amp my speakers. If my budget is unrealistic i'll need to >> reconsider and perhaps forgoe the amp. >> >> Thanks for responding so quickly. >> >> Matt >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Jan 6 00:40:54 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 17:40:54 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Happy New Year! The Tale of The Pirate Nakamichi In-Reply-To: <0a0801c61238$ad60f940$6401a8c0@Rondo> References: <03ab01c610b8$036d27f0$6401a8c0@Rondo> <43BC582E.8070300@woods-and-waters.com> <0a0801c61238$ad60f940$6401a8c0@Rondo> Message-ID: <43BDAE86.90807@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Ron, Ron Walton wrote: > That is all very interesting! Designing AM broadcast antennas is what I > do for a living. What kind of antenna did he come up with for you? How > tall was it? Aerial #1 was made from a telescoping light stand that could be extended up to 15 feet. It had a variable coupler box that provided optimum SWR. Aerial #2 was very cool: an antenna tuner with about 100-feet of 75-ohm coax and a pair of clips; it could be connected to any barbed-wire fence or metal post or tower and turn it into an efficient antenna. One cliphad a copper stake that connected to the cable shield; the stake would be driven into the ground. > I am a Ham operator. Any one here in the group a Ham? No, but I sometimes eat ham while I operate audio gear. Does that count? Oh well.... > Ron Walton wrote: > > Are you an Amateur Operator as well? For some, that would be a Ham > > Radio Operator I suppose. > > No, but my friend Alan, who designed my antenna, is. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From flifton at mac.com Fri Jan 6 00:31:32 2006 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 15:31:32 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Bi-amping In-Reply-To: <200510261000.j9QA04kJ007144@zxe.naks.com> References: <200510261000.j9QA04kJ007144@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <036C2F7A-2D57-45AA-BFB0-E54BC4F368A0@mac.com> It occurs to me that my previous post was not specific enough on the subject of bi-amping. I was speaking of passive bi-amping (hooking up two amps to a two-lugged speaker and using its internal passive crossover). True bi- (or multi-) amping has many useful professional applications, but it is a complex and expensive endeavor beyond the scope (and need, IMHO) of your typical home hi-fi. Just wanted to be clear before the flames started licking at my in-box. cheers, Fred From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Jan 6 01:10:43 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 19:10:43 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Bi-amping In-Reply-To: <036C2F7A-2D57-45AA-BFB0-E54BC4F368A0@mac.com> References: <200510261000.j9QA04kJ007144@zxe.naks.com> <036C2F7A-2D57-45AA-BFB0-E54BC4F368A0@mac.com> Message-ID: <43BDB583.2090507@rcn.com> Fred, False biamping (also called 'passive bi-amping') has no advantage whatsoever (this means, zero, zilch, nada). The only accomplishment is trowing away the cost of an amplifier. As to 'true' bi-amping, it does have several advantages. However, it's advantageous only in low cost systems (therefore, used extensively in boom boxes) or extremely high end systems. In between, it's not much bang for the buck. -- Ron Fred Lifton wrote: > It occurs to me that my previous post was not specific enough on the > subject of bi-amping. I was speaking of passive bi-amping (hooking up > two amps to a two-lugged speaker and using its internal passive > crossover). True bi- (or multi-) amping has many useful professional > applications, but it is a complex and expensive endeavor beyond the > scope (and need, IMHO) of your typical home hi-fi. Just wanted to be > clear before the flames started licking at my in-box. > > cheers, > Fred From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 6 04:12:55 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 19:12:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs In-Reply-To: <43BDAD50.4040709@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <20060106031255.63190.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Guys, Yes the auto-calibrate does take the tape and eq setting into account. The CR7 has two modes, and auto and manual tape selector mode. In the auto mode, the deck detects what ever tape is loaded and sets to the matching tape type and corresponding eq setting. The manual mode allows you to set your own tape type and eq setting. Either way, all the info goes into the circuit. The only time I've found this useful is when tranferring tape spools into more rigid ceramic cassette shells. My dad, thought, likes to set to 120uS using Type IV tapes. Would that be a sign of old age? Bala "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: Hi Ron, Ron Walton wrote: > Kermit, > > Even the chrome tapes recorded on my CR-7 sound better when played back > on the CR-7 when the switch is set for 120/us. I don't think the deck > is miscalibrated. It is possible that I have left the EQ switch on > 120/us while recording with chrome tape. I was under the impression > that this was for playback EQ only, and besides, I have experimented > with the EQ switch while monitoring a recording in progress. The switch affects both record and reproduce. The standard is 70uS with Chrome tape during both record and reproduce. > Could it > be that the auto-calibrate function takes the EQ switch position into > account when it does it's thing? The bias switch is set for Type II > tape when I record. You'd have to ask a CR7 owner. I've wondered the same thing. > > I know it is not the speakers, as I have Infinity RSIIb with famous EMIT > tweeters. Wow. Yes, the speakers are not the trouble. I rememeber the EMIT as being a bit bright but very fast and detailed. Ever hear the Transar? It's one of my favorite speakers. > My emails showed up twice.... Yes, I wanted to respond yesterday to two > different postings. I click on reply, compose message, send, and then > realize it only goes to the person who sent the email. So I re-send by > clicking on "Reply All". What is the correct way to reply to this > list? "Reply all" is recommended UNLESS you want the reply to be private to the sender only. > Since reading yesterday about an "EQ" modification, I immediately found > two different CR-7's on ebay which each claim to have the upgrade. What > exactly is this EQ mod? Would it cure my perceived problem? What was > the modification supposed to take care of? It updates the recorder from the older IEC1 EQ curve to the current IEC2 EQ curve. You should not change your deck if you have recorded many tapes with it because it will change the sound of the tapes adversely. I prefer the sound of IEC1 over IEC2. The upgrade, which changes the deck to IEC2 EQ is recommended: if you play only pre-recorded tapes, or tapes made with decks other than your Nak, OR if you trade tapes with other persons who do not have Nak decks. Send the deck to ESL for the upgrade if youre in the USA. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 6 04:33:14 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 19:33:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060106033314.94360.qmail@web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Gentlemen, Just my personal opinion. Cassette decks are not the last word in robustness. After much painful lessons, I've learnt to turn on my decks at least once a fortnight. On the contrary, my Teac X1000R (1982) has been dormant for over 6 months. Snapping right back on, it just needed a demag and clean on the heads, and away it goes! I just feel that cassette decks are a bit more involved when it comes to maintainence and keeping it going. Initially, I was just plain frustrated at the amount of work cassette decks needed to get them going. But once you have it fixed up and in regular use, it shouldn't give much trouble. Bala Doane Hoag wrote: Hi, Fred: Actually, the ZX-7 (1981-1984) was only made 1 year earlier then the ZX-9 (1982-1985). The ZX-7 I have now was made in `83, so would be 23 years old, not 30 something.. I'm not quibbling about this, it's just that everyone on this board has been talking about much older Naks as well that are their favorites, like the 1000 series (pre `84), the 680 series (pre `82), etc. Even a CR4 is going to be over 16 years old (1988-90). I think the main thing is going to be the condition it's in and whether parts are available. It seems like almost anything you buy on Ebay is going to need some work even though everyone of them states they "have had very little use," (Like some one is going to fork out the money for a new Nakamichi and then not use it?) ;~) The CR series is really nice, also, even the DR series, which are even newer then the CRs would be a great deal for the money.. the DR10 was made from 1999 on and has bias control, three heads, tape monitor, etc DR2 was the same and just a bit older. I've seen 3 head DRs sell on Ebay for $100-$200 There's a DR2 right now that's at $102, but the reserve hasn't been meet http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5848023820 Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Fred Lifton Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 5:15 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks Doane's point is well taken. I LOVE my Galinized ZX-7, it sounds wonderful and makes jaw-dropping recordings. However, there is another important difference between the 9 and 7. Namely, the ZX7 is going to be a considerably older machine, possibly as much as almost 30 years old. Just something to think about... Another good "entry level" Nak would be the CR-3 or 4 which offer some basic calibration/adjustment and three heads. I have a Sanktified CR-3 that sounds very nice and which, once its typical dying cam motor issues were solved, has proven quite reliable. My $.02. Fred On Jan 4, 2006, at 4:59 PM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: From: "Doane Hoag" Date: January 4, 2006 12:30:36 PM PST To: , "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Subject: RE: [naktalk] Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks Reply-To: rob at rhoag.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks I can heartely recommend the 3 head ZX7, especially if you are going to be doing a lot of recording... or the ZX9, which is the same as the ZX7 but with a different transport with slighly better wow and flutter, but you will probably pay several hundred more for the 9, if you can find one. Both have tape monitors, record head azimuth, bias and levels adjustment, and two speed cue forward and backward. Second, for less money, would be the 3 head LX5, with not as much recording control as the 7 or 9, but it does have a tape monitor and bias adjustment, which helps a lot in recording. 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URL: From matt_ryde at lineone.net Fri Jan 6 00:42:52 2006 From: matt_ryde at lineone.net (Matt) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 23:42:52 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43BDAEFC.30109@lineone.net> Thanks, the LX-5 seems to be a popular choice, i probably won't be doing much recording in reality, it's playback quality i'm looking for. Matt Doane Hoag wrote: >I can heartely recommend the 3 head ZX7, especially if you are going to be >doing a lot of recording... or the ZX9, which is the same as the ZX7 but >with a different transport with slighly better wow and flutter, but you will >probably pay several hundred more for the 9, if you can find one. Both have >tape monitors, record head azimuth, bias and levels adjustment, and two >speed cue forward and backward. > >Second, for less money, would be the 3 head LX5, with not as much recording >control as the 7 or 9, but it does have a tape monitor and bias adjustment, >which helps a lot in recording. > >Doane > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Matt >Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 12:05 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks > > >Hi everyone. >I am looking to dust off my old tape collection and delve into the dim >dark past as i have come to the conclusion that i am better off adding a >cassette player to my hi fi system than going out and replacing my dodgy >taste in 70's and 80's music on cd. My system currently consists of an >arcam cd73 running through an arcam alpha 9 amp into KEF q35's. My vinyl >relives it's glory days through a rega planar 2. I always dreamt of >having a nakamichi tape deck but knew and still know very little about >them. I am keen to hear peoples recommendations as i start to hunt >around on e-bay for a player. I enjoy my music but am not bursting at >the seams with spare cash so, assuming that buying an older machine i >will need to think about servicing it too i would like to strike a >balance of good sound and affordability. Currently on e-bay uk there are >cassette deck 1's, cassete deck 2, LX-5, BX 300e and probably a few >others. I've heard that the later decks were perhaps a little behind the >general Nak quality but how do they compare against the other makes. Any >advice on the pro's and cons of various machines will be gratefully >welcomed. I am not very techy so laymans terms even more appreciated or >just guidance toward old topics i can look over. Thanks in anticipation. >Matt >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From matt_ryde at lineone.net Fri Jan 6 00:45:28 2006 From: matt_ryde at lineone.net (Matt) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 23:45:28 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks In-Reply-To: <003e01c61170$652d6140$7300a8c0@Shaun> References: <003e01c61170$652d6140$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: <43BDAF98.7020800@lineone.net> Thanks, it's great to have a pointer for servicing. Matt Shaun Montgomery wrote: >Matt, > >If you live in the UK or Europe then the BX300E will not disappoint you. >They go at reasonable prices and are strill able to be serviced at B & W in >the South of England. I have a USA model with a step-down transformer, as >well as a BX-2 which is even cheaper to buy. I am enjoying both of them >immensely and they have brought a new lease of life to my cassettes >recorded, like yours, in the 70's and 80's. > >Shaun > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >Of Matt >Sent: 04 January 2006 20:05 >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks > > >Hi everyone. >I am looking to dust off my old tape collection and delve into the dim >dark past as i have come to the conclusion that i am better off adding a >cassette player to my hi fi system than going out and replacing my dodgy >taste in 70's and 80's music on cd. My system currently consists of an >arcam cd73 running through an arcam alpha 9 amp into KEF q35's. My vinyl >relives it's glory days through a rega planar 2. I always dreamt of >having a nakamichi tape deck but knew and still know very little about >them. I am keen to hear peoples recommendations as i start to hunt >around on e-bay for a player. I enjoy my music but am not bursting at >the seams with spare cash so, assuming that buying an older machine i >will need to think about servicing it too i would like to strike a >balance of good sound and affordability. Currently on e-bay uk there are >cassette deck 1's, cassete deck 2, LX-5, BX 300e and probably a few >others. I've heard that the later decks were perhaps a little behind the >general Nak quality but how do they compare against the other makes. Any >advice on the pro's and cons of various machines will be gratefully >welcomed. I am not very techy so laymans terms even more appreciated or >just guidance toward old topics i can look over. Thanks in anticipation. >Matt >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From matt_ryde at lineone.net Fri Jan 6 00:51:49 2006 From: matt_ryde at lineone.net (Matt) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 23:51:49 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks In-Reply-To: <43BC5A18.6090609@woods-and-waters.com> References: <43BC2A64.5050401@lineone.net> <43BC5A18.6090609@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <43BDB115.3070009@lineone.net> Thanks for the compliment i'm really plesaed with the sound, as for the rega, itonly has it's standard fittings out of the box, at the time it was a case of budget, always seems to be unfortunately. The lX-5 seems a popular choice, i guess it'll be a case of seeing what comes available. Several machines sound like good options. Matt Kermit V. Gray wrote: > Hi Matt, > > Matt wrote: > >> Hi everyone. >> I am looking to dust off my old tape collection and delve into the >> dim dark past as i have come to the conclusion that i am better off >> adding a cassette player to my hi fi system than going out and >> replacing my dodgy taste in 70's and 80's music on cd. My system >> currently consists of an arcam cd73 running through an arcam alpha 9 >> amp into KEF q35's. > > > Nice rig! Very nice. > >> My vinyl relives it's glory days through a rega planar 2. > > > Which boxcar do you have on it? The Elys, I assume? > > > Currently on e-bay uk there are > >> cassette deck 1's, cassete deck 2, LX-5, BX 300e and probably a few >> others. I've heard that the later decks were perhaps a little behind >> the general Nak quality but how do they compare against the other >> makes. Any advice on the pro's and cons of various machines will be >> gratefully welcomed. > > > I'm fond of the older models myself, BUT they're often difficult to > have repaired if they break down. I'd say, go for one of the CR or LX > series Nakamichis. > > If your budget allows, I'd strongly recommend you try to find the > Arcam cassette deck and have a matched setup! > > Other recorders worth considering that are good matches to your rig > are the highest-end Luxman, Aiwa, or Tascam models. Of course, you can > never go wrong with a Revox cassette deck. > From matt_ryde at lineone.net Fri Jan 6 00:53:56 2006 From: matt_ryde at lineone.net (Matt) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 23:53:56 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43BDB194.4060402@lineone.net> So many choices, they all sound so good. The hunt is on! Matt Doane Hoag wrote: > Hi, Fred: > Actually, the ZX-7 (1981-1984) was only made 1 year earlier then the > ZX-9 (1982-1985). The ZX-7 I have now was made in `83, so would be 23 > years old, not 30 something.. > > I'm not quibbling about this, it's just that everyone on this board > has been talking about much older Naks as well that are their > favorites, like the 1000 series (pre `84), the 680 series (pre `82), > etc. Even a CR4 is going to be over 16 years old (1988-90). > > I think the main thing is going to be the condition it's in and > whether parts are available. It seems like almost anything you buy on > Ebay is going to need some work even though everyone of them states > they "have had very little use," (Like some one is going to fork out > the money for a new Nakamichi and then not use it?) ;~) > > The CR series is really nice, also, even the DR series, which are even > newer then the CRs would be a great deal for the money.. the DR10 was > made from 1999 on and has bias control, three heads, tape monitor, etc > DR2 was the same and just a bit older. I've seen 3 head DRs sell on > Ebay for $100-$200 There's a DR2 right now that's at $102, but the > reserve hasn't been meet > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5848023820 > > > Doane > > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]*On > Behalf Of *Fred Lifton > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 04, 2006 5:15 PM > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > *Subject:* [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks > > Doane's point is well taken. I LOVE my Galinized ZX-7, it sounds > wonderful and makes jaw-dropping recordings. However, there is another > important difference between the 9 and 7. Namely, the ZX7 is going to > be a considerably older machine, possibly as much as almost 30 years > old. Just something to think about... > > Another good "entry level" Nak would be the CR-3 or 4 which offer some > basic calibration/adjustment and three heads. I have a Sanktified CR-3 > that sounds very nice and which, once its typical dying cam motor > issues were solved, has proven quite reliable. > > My $.02. > > Fred > > On Jan 4, 2006, at 4:59 PM, naktalk-request at naks.com > wrote: > >> *From: *"Doane Hoag" > >> >> *Date: *January 4, 2006 12:30:36 PM PST >> >> *To: *>, "Talk >> about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > >> >> *Subject: **RE: [naktalk] Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete >> decks* >> >> *Reply-To: *rob at rhoag.com , Talk about >> Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >> >> >> >> >> I can heartely recommend the 3 head ZX7, especially if you are going >> to be >> >> doing a lot of recording... or the ZX9, which is the same as the ZX7 but >> >> with a different transport with slighly better wow and flutter, but >> you will >> >> probably pay several hundred more for the 9, if you can find one. >> Both have >> >> tape monitors, record head azimuth, bias and levels adjustment, and two >> >> speed cue forward and backward. >> >> >> Second, for less money, would be the 3 head LX5, with not as much >> recording >> >> control as the 7 or 9, but it does have a tape monitor and bias >> adjustment, >> >> which helps a lot in recording. >> >> >> Doane >> > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From ady at spamcop.net Fri Jan 6 01:15:27 2006 From: ady at spamcop.net (Adrian Finn) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 00:15:27 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 680 pinch roller Message-ID: <08FEA611-80ED-46FE-BBD3-8F3F076B8A0A@spamcop.net> hi.. just been cleaning the heads of my 680 and noticed that the right hand (looking from the front) pinch roller doesn't move and engage with the capstan roller when in play... I've made several recordings recently and they sound fine though! I have an issue with the mode control belt.. it takes a little time for the transport to engage when you press play.... I've ordered the belt from ESL... is the pinch roller related to this? thanks adrian From Ws407c at aol.com Fri Jan 6 05:08:30 2006 From: Ws407c at aol.com (Ws407c at aol.com) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 23:08:30 EST Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 35, Issue 22 (Nakamichi double capstan tape stretching) Message-ID: Just wondering if there is or has been a tape stretching issue with the Nakamichi double capstan decks ? I have not noticed any problems with my XZ-9's and have run a tape over and over through the machine and no problems are noted. Before I got my first Nak , I did not like cassettes because of the jamming , creasing , eating etc. After acquiring a ZX-9 , I have decided to kick my CD player to the side and am quite happy with the performance thus far. I am looking to buy a beat up Dragon to fiddle around with. I am looking for a beat up basket case for short money if any are available. Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marc at stager.com Fri Jan 6 02:24:03 2006 From: marc at stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 20:24:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Passive Xovers vs. Electronic Xovers In-Reply-To: <200601052214.k05ME9ge009852@zxe.naks.com> References: <200601052214.k05ME9ge009852@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20060105185501.02c05bf0@stager.com> Fred, To continue your observation that a guitar doesn't split its output between the three lower and three upper strings - that's because its range of notes is comparatively narrow. A guitar amp rolls off above 5kHz. A stereo speaker needs to go at least out to 15kHz to reproduce percussion and overtones from many other instruments. For the low end, a bass guitar is more the equivalent of a bass speaker, and its range doesn't reach the highs of a standard six-string. True, all the sounds of a violin come out of the same holes but again, it's a bandwidth-limited instrument. A bass fiddle is the bass equivalent. The same box does not produce the entire range of notes. When they play together, they are separate entities, each playing in the range for which it was designed. The only exceptions that come to mind are the piano and electronic instruments, and the only way to properly reproduce their entire frequency range is with multi-driver speakers either crossed over passively or actively. Either way, you need a crossover network. Any decent speaker system, except for the rare Lowther full-range designs, will have a woofer and tweeter and, more often than not, a mid-range speaker. These all need a crossover network so the bass doesn't blow the mid/tweeter, and so the mids don't smear and beam coming through the woofer. Passive crossovers are inefficient and produce far greater phase anomalies and crossover distortion than electronic crossovers. Passives are inefficient and waste amplifier power, creating heat in the high-pass section as they soak up LF energy in order to protect the smaller drivers. Bi-amping is a far better sounding solution, offering better control and the choice of the optimal amplifier for each portion of the spectrum. There are no "timing issues". The lows and highs arrive at each amplifier at the same instant - far more phase and time coherent than even the best passive network. I have bi-amped for years, driving custom Lambda bass cabinets with a 500 watt RMS Perreaux amplifier, and a a pair of McIntosh MC-40 tube mono amps driving Coastal Acoustics SD1000 dome mids passively crossed over to Aurasound ribbon tweeters. With my Audioarts electronic crossover, I have complete control over the slope, frequency and amplitude to every section of every amplifier. The bass can rattle the windows and the mids and highs sing like angels coming through the Macs, which never get pushed very hard since they only work above 300Hz. The passive networks between the mids and ribbons work at a much lower level of stress than a bass-mid crossover. They are simple 6 dB/octave design using Sidereal caps bypassed with Teflon caps. The speaker systems are physically time-aligned. My large pro systems are tri-amped, as are most large scale commercial systems. Once you bi-amp, you'll never go back. ____________ Marc Stager Stager Sound Systems http://marc.stager.com/ -:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:- At 05:14 PM 1/5/2006, you wrote: >Bi-amping makes even less sense to me. Besides introducing all sorts >of phase/timing issues, what purpose does it fulfill? Will your >amplifier really be helped by not having to drive the tweeters? If >so, shop for a new amp, not a second amp! I don't buy the >interference claims either. Guitarists don't use one amp for the >three high strings and one for the three bass strings and, >electrically, these are much smaller signals and so presumably more >prone to interference and interaction due to inductance. Same thing >applies to pure acoustics: all the tones come out of the same sound >hole on a violin, right? No, for me bi-amping makes about as much >sense as any other form of segregation. > >That's my $.02. Take it or leave it. >cheers, >Fred -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ti Kan's earlier description of the purpose of the mod. is essentially correct. It was not intended as an upgrade to the IEC2 specification, but rather a response to some tape manufacturer's response curves on certain tapes that were boosted in the high range to give brighter sound in lesser decks. These tapes, like the TDK SA-X would not auto-calibrate correctly on the CR-7 when using Dolby C. As Ron already mentioned, Nakamichi did not recommend that the mod be done on all CR-7s.....only when requested by customers due to their particular tape preferences. It was the equivalent of a silent recall at the time. I am aware that Steven Sank is not a true believer in this explanation (thanks Ron for saving me from quoting Steven's hand written note), but here is a partial quote from the bulletin: "Some cassette tapes on the market have frequency response raised in the high-frequency range (above 15kHz) under the name of improvement.........These tapes, although conforming to the IEC standard, have characteristics far from those of the reference tapes used by Nakamichi. When such a cassette tape is loaded in the CR-7 and, after auto calibration, music is recorded with Dolby NR set to C-type, the played back music has the auditory effect of "decreased frequency response in the high frequency range". The modification is, according to Nakamichi, to correct this problem. My CR-7 was modded by ESL a few years ago and performs wonderfully. I'm not sure if they implemented the exact changes outlined in the bulletin, or if they do a little custom design work of their own, but it works great. I do all of my recording on my CR-7, and play back on my Dragon, CR-5, CR-4s, 670ZX, 682ZX, and RX-505 with very nice results using a mixture of tapes including the SA-X.. I know Ti Kan did the mod himself on his CR-7 and was very happy with the results. Paul wrote: >Hi, Ron: >The recording eq "correction" and gear update is needed for CR7's pre-S/N >A130-08677. I seem to remember it was an issue between IEC1 and IEC2 > standards and the sweet permalloy heads all Nak triple head decks use. >The equalization upgrade was incorporated in production after S/N >A130-08677, during the last quarter of 1985. >I've never heard a CR7 before this update (Stephen Sank reworked mine >immediately after a purchase), but I can tell you the post-mod sound is wonderful. >However, all the recent discussion has led me to believe that a ZX9 needs to >be in my future..... >Paul -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm buried in paperwork and on a mission to find > replacement parts. > > By the way, a ZX-7 can't be more than 25 years old. > > Sincerely, > Jeff Galin ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 6 15:27:47 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 06:27:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks In-Reply-To: <43BDB194.4060402@lineone.net> Message-ID: <20060106142747.16788.qmail@web32804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Doane, While the newer series offers a peace of mind in terms of reliability, its down in terms of sound quality by several notches. I have a DR10 which I bought brand new in 2002. Yes its new, sounds nice and has features like bias tune and three heads. The 680ZX however, walks all over the DR10 and its pretty gold front panel! Awesome response and record/playback is fantastic! The 600 is another deck which will delight analogue lovers and old timers who focus more on the midrange and warmth of the human voice. Despite having heard much newer decks, I've yet to excited as much the way decks of the late 70s (like the original tri-tracer, ZXL series, 6XXZX series and 600) have. In vinyl parlance, the newer decks would like a Rega Planar 3 with a Linn cart-beautiful and trouble free. But who would turn away from a Thorens TD124/II, SME 3012/II and a Ikeda moving coil cart? Bala Matt wrote: So many choices, they all sound so good. The hunt is on! Matt Doane Hoag wrote: > Hi, Fred: > Actually, the ZX-7 (1981-1984) was only made 1 year earlier then the > ZX-9 (1982-1985). The ZX-7 I have now was made in `83, so would be 23 > years old, not 30 something.. > > I'm not quibbling about this, it's just that everyone on this board > has been talking about much older Naks as well that are their > favorites, like the 1000 series (pre `84), the 680 series (pre `82), > etc. Even a CR4 is going to be over 16 years old (1988-90). > > I think the main thing is going to be the condition it's in and > whether parts are available. It seems like almost anything you buy on > Ebay is going to need some work even though everyone of them states > they "have had very little use," (Like some one is going to fork out > the money for a new Nakamichi and then not use it?) ;~) > > The CR series is really nice, also, even the DR series, which are even > newer then the CRs would be a great deal for the money.. the DR10 was > made from 1999 on and has bias control, three heads, tape monitor, etc > DR2 was the same and just a bit older. I've seen 3 head DRs sell on > Ebay for $100-$200 There's a DR2 right now that's at $102, but the > reserve hasn't been meet > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5848023820 > > > Doane > > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]*On > Behalf Of *Fred Lifton > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 04, 2006 5:15 PM > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > *Subject:* [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks > > Doane's point is well taken. I LOVE my Galinized ZX-7, it sounds > wonderful and makes jaw-dropping recordings. However, there is another > important difference between the 9 and 7. Namely, the ZX7 is going to > be a considerably older machine, possibly as much as almost 30 years > old. Just something to think about... > > Another good "entry level" Nak would be the CR-3 or 4 which offer some > basic calibration/adjustment and three heads. I have a Sanktified CR-3 > that sounds very nice and which, once its typical dying cam motor > issues were solved, has proven quite reliable. > > My $.02. > > Fred > > On Jan 4, 2006, at 4:59 PM, naktalk-request at naks.com > wrote: > >> *From: *"Doane Hoag" > >> >> *Date: *January 4, 2006 12:30:36 PM PST >> >> *To: *>, "Talk >> about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> > >> >> *Subject: **RE: [naktalk] Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete >> decks* >> >> *Reply-To: *rob at rhoag.com , Talk about >> Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >> >> >> >> >> I can heartely recommend the 3 head ZX7, especially if you are going >> to be >> >> doing a lot of recording... or the ZX9, which is the same as the ZX7 but >> >> with a different transport with slighly better wow and flutter, but >> you will >> >> probably pay several hundred more for the 9, if you can find one. >> Both have >> >> tape monitors, record head azimuth, bias and levels adjustment, and two >> >> speed cue forward and backward. >> >> >> Second, for less money, would be the 3 head LX5, with not as much >> recording >> >> control as the 7 or 9, but it does have a tape monitor and bias >> adjustment, >> >> which helps a lot in recording. >> >> >> Doane >> > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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URL: From rondo at nottltd.com Fri Jan 6 16:05:53 2006 From: rondo at nottltd.com (Ron Walton) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 08:05:53 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Naks Pictures References: <006701c61277$47b5e8f0$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Message-ID: <0c7001c612d2$b0711170$6401a8c0@Rondo> Thank you Robert and Marc. That works! Ron W. ----- Original Message ----- From: rjkent at comcast.net To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 9:11 PM Subject: [naktalk] Naks Pictures Ron, If you haven't found it yet, just go to the Naks.com site, click on Naks, then click on a red nak series designation in the left column that you want to see. It will bring up all the decks in that series. Robert Kent Ron wrote: >RE: [naktalk] Nak 670ZX front panel colorsHow does one get to the pictures page on www.naks.com ??? I >can't seem to find anything to click on that brings up pictures of the various models> >Ron W. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Fri Jan 6 16:33:32 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 07:33:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] CR-& EQ Mod In-Reply-To: <006001c61277$20db29c0$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Message-ID: <20060106153332.2630.qmail@web33311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I had a CR7 which went to Graham (in UK after this Rec equalization MOD ) which was pre Mod Deck. When I received it without mod - it sounded dull on the HF on almost all tapes but was very quite in the S/N section. Only after doing the Mod , I found that the CR 7 records to the original HF response ( monitoring Source to Tape). As Stephen Sank said , Nakamichi had infact missed correcting it from te beginning but blamed tape formulation more than their own short comings. Infact the CR 7 board contains Pcb holes for inserting these addditional components indicating that the Nakamichi designers have considered these circuite elements but somehow the implementing team had left out the parts ( for what reason I do not understand) So this Record equalization mod is a must for any CR 7 that does not have it. Robert' CR 7 infact has the mod installed ( without which it would not sound that well). We used his CR7A for the San francisco Nak marathon recording and no doubt the best for that occasion. People complain about CR7 A of sounding thin infact should listen to Stephen Sank touched machine - generally CR 7A has the most transparent recording provided it is correctly aligned. Again I should add that the CR7 should be aligned before judging it. Large number of decks without alignment can be disappointing in Nak models. Very few can beat the simple calibration and quality of record / play performance of CR7. I always wished a Dragon had the CR7 electronics and calibration process. Kannan rjkent at comcast.net wrote: Hi Ron, Paul, Ron, The Nakamichi Service Information bulletin for the EQ Modification is No. 00D-M-0298 from May of 1987. Ti Kan’s earlier description of the purpose of the mod. is essentially correct. It was not intended as an upgrade to the IEC2 specification, but rather a response to some tape manufacturer’s response curves on certain tapes that were boosted in the high range to give brighter sound in lesser decks. These tapes, like the TDK SA-X would not auto-calibrate correctly on the CR-7 when using Dolby C. As Ron already mentioned, Nakamichi did not recommend that the mod be done on all CR-7s.....only when requested by customers due to their particular tape preferences. It was the equivalent of a silent recall at the time. I am aware that Steven Sank is not a true believer in this explanation (thanks Ron for saving me from quoting Steven's hand written note), but here is a partial quote from the bulletin: “Some cassette tapes on the market have frequency response raised in the high-frequency range (above 15kHz) under the name of improvement.........These tapes, although conforming to the IEC standard, have characteristics far from those of the reference tapes used by Nakamichi. When such a cassette tape is loaded in the CR-7 and, after auto calibration, music is recorded with Dolby NR set to C-type, the played back music has the auditory effect of “decreased frequency response in the high frequency range”. The modification is, according to Nakamichi, to correct this problem. My CR-7 was modded by ESL a few years ago and performs wonderfully. I’m not sure if they implemented the exact changes outlined in the bulletin, or if they do a little custom design work of their own, but it works great. I do all of my recording on my CR-7, and play back on my Dragon, CR-5, CR-4s, 670ZX, 682ZX, and RX-505 with very nice results using a mixture of tapes including the SA-X.. I know Ti Kan did the mod himself on his CR-7 and was very happy with the results. Paul wrote: >Hi, Ron: >The recording eq "correction" and gear update is needed for CR7's pre-S/N >A130-08677. I seem to remember it was an issue between IEC1 and IEC2 > standards and the sweet permalloy heads all Nak triple head decks use. >The equalization upgrade was incorporated in production after S/N >A130-08677, during the last quarter of 1985. >I've never heard a CR7 before this update (Stephen Sank reworked mine >immediately after a purchase), but I can tell you the post-mod sound is wonderful. >However, all the recent discussion has led me to believe that a ZX9 needs to >be in my future..... >Paul --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rondo at nottltd.com Fri Jan 6 16:51:36 2006 From: rondo at nottltd.com (Ron Walton) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 08:51:36 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR-& EQ Mod References: <20060106153332.2630.qmail@web33311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0d5e01c612d9$1327b390$6401a8c0@Rondo> I have been constantly amazed at the wealth of knowledge on this forum! Thank you all for the comments. I did make a new recording last evening on a chrome tape (TDK CD) and left the EQ setting where it should be. During tape/source comparisons, I could detect little to no loss in the HF. Evidently, over the years, I deluded myself into thinking it "sounded" better, by switching the EQ to normal while recording! I will want to do some more testing though. I have a 20 lot of Maxell XLII-S tapes coming in next week. The serial number on my CR-7A is an early one, indicating the need for the EQ mod. Whether or not it was done by my dealer, Listen Up in Denver is another story. I could not find the receipt from when the gear upgrade was done in about '91 or '92. I think that the next time it needs service I will send it to Mr. Sank and have it fully "Sanktified"! Would somebody offer contact information for his business? best regards, Ron W. I had a CR7 which went to Graham (in UK after this Rec equalization MOD ) which was pre Mod Deck. When I received it without mod - it sounded dull on the HF on almost all tapes but was very quite in the S/N section. Only after doing the Mod , I found that the CR 7 records to the original HF response ( monitoring Source to Tape). As Stephen Sank said , Nakamichi had infact missed correcting it from te beginning but blamed tape formulation more than their own short comings. Infact the CR 7 board contains Pcb holes for inserting these addditional components indicating that the Nakamichi designers have considered these circuite elements but somehow the implementing team had left out the parts ( for what reason I do not understand) So this Record equalization mod is a must for any CR 7 that does not have it. Robert' CR 7 infact has the mod installed ( without which it would not sound that well). We used his CR7A for the San francisco Nak marathon recording and no doubt the best for that occasion. People complain about CR7 A of sounding thin infact should listen to Stephen Sank touched machine - generally CR 7A has the most transparent recording provided it is correctly aligned. Again I should add that the CR7 should be aligned before judging it. Large number of decks without alignment can be disappointing in Nak models. Very few can beat the simple calibration and quality of record / play performance of CR7. I always wished a Dragon had the CR7 electronics and calibration process. Kannan rjkent at comcast.net wrote: Hi Ron, Paul, Ron, The Nakamichi Service Information bulletin for the EQ Modification is No. 00D-M-0298 from May of 1987. Ti Kan's earlier description of the purpose of the mod. is essentially correct. It was not intended as an upgrade to the IEC2 specification, but rather a response to some tape manufacturer's response curves on certain tapes that were boosted in the high range to give brighter sound in lesser decks. These tapes, like the TDK SA-X would not auto-calibrate correctly on the CR-7 when using Dolby C. As Ron already mentioned, Nakamichi did not recommend that the mod be done on all CR-7s.....only when requested by customers due to their particular tape preferences. It was the equivalent of a silent recall at the time. I am aware that Steven Sank is not a true believer in this explanation (thanks Ron for saving me from quoting Steven's hand written note), but here is a partial quote from the bulletin: "Some cassette tapes on the market have frequency response raised in the high-frequency range (above 15kHz) under the name of improvement.........These tapes, although con! forming to the IEC standard, have characteristics far from those of the reference tapes used by Nakamichi. When such a cassette tape is loaded in the CR-7 and, after auto calibration, music is recorded with Dolby NR set to C-type, the played back music has the auditory effect of "decreased frequency response in the high frequency range". The modification is, according to Nakamichi, to correct this problem. My CR-7 was modded by ESL a few years ago and performs wonderfully. I'm not sure if they implemented the exact changes outlined in the bulletin, or if they do a little custom design work of their own, but it works great. I do all of my recording on my CR-7, and play back on my Dragon, CR-5, CR-4s, 670ZX, 682ZX, and RX-505 with very nice results using a mixture of tapes including the SA-X.. I know Ti Kan did the mod himself on his CR-7 and was very happy with the results. Paul wrote: >Hi, Ron: >The recording eq "correction" and gear update is needed for CR7's pre-S/N >A130-08677. I seem to remember it was an issue between IEC1 and IEC2 > standards and the sweet permalloy heads all Nak triple head decks use. >The equalization upgrade was incorporated in production aft! er S/N >A130-08677, during the last quarter of 1985. >I've never heard a CR7 before this update (Stephen Sank reworked mine >immediately after a purchase), but I can tell you the post-mod sound is wonderful. >However, all the recent discussion has led me to believe that a ZX9 needs to >be in my future..... >Paul ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! 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URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Jan 6 17:36:24 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:36:24 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks In-Reply-To: <20060106142747.16788.qmail@web32804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <007b01c612df$555cf440$76c887d9@oemcomputer> -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 06 January 2006 14:28 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks Hi Doane, In vinyl parlance, the newer decks would like a Rega Planar 3 with a Linn cart-beautiful and trouble free. But who would turn away from a Thorens TD124/II, SME 3012/II and a Ikeda moving coil cart? Bala [Graham Nelson] I would! <> I don't want another TD124 ... maybe I was unlucky but I don't fancy getting bitten twice. However, I am (for the time being) hanging on to my renovated/rewired SME3012/II, although I presently have nothing on which I can use it. (Sadly, 12" arms don't fit on Oracle Delphi TT's ... ) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Jan 6 17:36:26 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:36:26 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR-& EQ Mod In-Reply-To: <20060106153332.2630.qmail@web33311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <008001c612df$5681ec40$76c887d9@oemcomputer> Kannan said: -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of kannan srinivasaraghavan Sent: 06 January 2006 15:34 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-& EQ Mod I had a CR7 which went to Graham (in UK after this Rec equalization MOD ) which was pre Mod Deck. When I received it without mod - it sounded dull on the HF on almost all tapes but was very quite in the S/N section. Only after doing the Mod , I found that the CR 7 records to the original HF response ( monitoring Source to Tape). [Graham Nelson] And a very fine job you did on it, too. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Jan 6 17:36:28 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:36:28 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR-& EQ Mod In-Reply-To: <0d5e01c612d9$1327b390$6401a8c0@Rondo> Message-ID: <008501c612df$57a86ae0$76c887d9@oemcomputer> Ron Just be prepared for a long wait to get your deck back from Stephen. This is not meant as a criticism of him, but he has a reputation for a very slow turnaround - months, not weeks. You may want to check out the turnaround times of ESL, Adam Liberman at Liberman Sound in El Cerrito, Kannan, anyone else I've forgotten in the USA (sorry guys!) or even B&W in the UK. (Using B&W may seem crazy but the cost of their parts is low and may compensate for the higher shipping costs in some instances.) It also depends on what you want - just a full service or (as ESL specialises) a full restoration? Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Walton Sent: 06 January 2006 15:52 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-& EQ Mod I have been constantly amazed at the wealth of knowledge on this forum! Thank you all for the comments. I did make a new recording last evening on a chrome tape (TDK CD) and left the EQ setting where it should be. During tape/source comparisons, I could detect little to no loss in the HF. Evidently, over the years, I deluded myself into thinking it "sounded" better, by switching the EQ to normal while recording! I will want to do some more testing though. I have a 20 lot of Maxell XLII-S tapes coming in next week. The serial number on my CR-7A is an early one, indicating the need for the EQ mod. Whether or not it was done by my dealer, Listen Up in Denver is another story. I could not find the receipt from when the gear upgrade was done in about '91 or '92. I think that the next time it needs service I will send it to Mr. Sank and have it fully "Sanktified"! Would somebody offer contact information for his business? best regards, Ron W. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rob at rhoag.com Fri Jan 6 17:55:22 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 08:55:22 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Passive Xovers vs. Electronic Xovers In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20060105185501.02c05bf0@stager.com> Message-ID: Marc: Thanks for the very good explanation. Years ago I had a pair of large, floor standing a/d/s studio monitors that had biamp ability built in. When I took advantage of that with separate Carver amps and an active crossover the difference was really amazing... much deeper, clean, tight base and the mids and highs, which were already great, even seemed to be improved as well. I totally agree, that with a set of really good speakers it's well worth doing. I think a good analogy would be the difference between trying to drive a subwoofer with a passive crossover off the same amp that is handling your main speakers, even if the amp has more then enough power to handle that, as opposed to having a dedicated, self powered subwoofer, as long as it has really good crossover circuits... but again, an even better setup then that would be to have a passive subwoofer that is driven by a separate amp with active crossover controls while the signal is still in the preamp low-level stage. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Marc Stager Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 5:24 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Passive Xovers vs. Electronic Xovers Fred, To continue your observation that a guitar doesn't split its output between the three lower and three upper strings - that's because its range of notes is comparatively narrow. A guitar amp rolls off above 5kHz. A stereo speaker needs to go at least out to 15kHz to reproduce percussion and overtones from many other instruments. For the low end, a bass guitar is more the equivalent of a bass speaker, and its range doesn't reach the highs of a standard six-string. True, all the sounds of a violin come out of the same holes but again, it's a bandwidth-limited instrument. A bass fiddle is the bass equivalent. The same box does not produce the entire range of notes. When they play together, they are separate entities, each playing in the range for which it was designed. The only exceptions that come to mind are the piano and electronic instruments, and the only way to properly reproduce their entire frequency range is with multi-driver speakers either crossed over passively or actively. Either way, you need a crossover network. Any decent speaker system, except for the rare Lowther full-range designs, will have a woofer and tweeter and, more often than not, a mid-range speaker. These all need a crossover network so the bass doesn't blow the mid/tweeter, and so the mids don't smear and beam coming through the woofer. Passive crossovers are inefficient and produce far greater phase anomalies and crossover distortion than electronic crossovers. Passives are inefficient and waste amplifier power, creating heat in the high-pass section as they soak up LF energy in order to protect the smaller drivers. Bi-amping is a far better sounding solution, offering better control and the choice of the optimal amplifier for each portion of the spectrum. There are no "timing issues". The lows and highs arrive at each amplifier at the same instant - far more phase and time coherent than even the best passive network. I have bi-amped for years, driving custom Lambda bass cabinets with a 500 watt RMS Perreaux amplifier, and a a pair of McIntosh MC-40 tube mono amps driving Coastal Acoustics SD1000 dome mids passively crossed over to Aurasound ribbon tweeters. With my Audioarts electronic crossover, I have complete control over the slope, frequency and amplitude to every section of every amplifier. The bass can rattle the windows and the mids and highs sing like angels coming through the Macs, which never get pushed very hard since they only work above 300Hz. The passive networks between the mids and ribbons work at a much lower level of stress than a bass-mid crossover. They are simple 6 dB/octave design using Sidereal caps bypassed with Teflon caps. The speaker systems are physically time-aligned. My large pro systems are tri-amped, as are most large scale commercial systems. Once you bi-amp, you'll never go back. ____________ Marc Stager Stager Sound Systems http://marc.stager.com/ -:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:- At 05:14 PM 1/5/2006, you wrote: Bi-amping makes even less sense to me. Besides introducing all sorts of phase/timing issues, what purpose does it fulfill? Will your amplifier really be helped by not having to drive the tweeters? If so, shop for a new amp, not a second amp! I don't buy the interference claims either. Guitarists don't use one amp for the three high strings and one for the three bass strings and, electrically, these are much smaller signals and so presumably more prone to interference and interaction due to inductance. Same thing applies to pure acoustics: all the tones come out of the same sound hole on a violin, right? No, for me bi-amping makes about as much sense as any other form of segregation. That's my $.02. Take it or leave it. cheers, Fred -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 6 22:51:22 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 13:51:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 680 pinch roller In-Reply-To: <08FEA611-80ED-46FE-BBD3-8F3F076B8A0A@spamcop.net> Message-ID: <20060106215122.61201.qmail@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> No. The control belt is not related to your pinch roller problem. You have hardened grease at the pivot point of the pinch roller. When in play you should be able to force it up to engage the tape and capstan. This is what SHOULD normally happen. You will need to clean the grease out. Try a cleaning solvent or alcohol and a light oil afterwards. It could take a while to get it to move freely again. With the deck in play manually move it back and forth to work in the cleaning solvent. SJ --- Adrian Finn wrote: > hi.. > > just been cleaning the heads of my 680 and noticed that the right > hand (looking from the front) pinch roller doesn't move and engage > > with the capstan roller when in play... I've made several > recordings recently and they sound fine though! I have an issue > with the mode control belt.. it takes a little time for the > transport > to engage when you press play.... I've ordered the belt from ESL... > > is the pinch roller related to this? > > > thanks > > adrian > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From jeff at eslabs.com Sat Jan 7 01:03:26 2006 From: jeff at eslabs.com (jeff at eslabs.com) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 19:03:26 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 EQ mod/ Jeff Galin on "Galinizing" References: <200601051933.k05JX6F5008958@zxe.naks.com> <010b01c61239$c64786d0$8902a8c0@warbird> Message-ID: <01ff01c6131d$f8b26ce0$6401a8c0@SONYNOTEBOOK> Hi Paul, Ron & Nak Talkers , The EQ mods. are very misunderstood! Nakamichi developed these specifically to accommodate the SA"X"and the XLII"S" type tapes. When we tweak the EQ, many of these components become very different from the original or the published Nakamichi modification. We start by tweaking the playback EQ to the Nakamichi standard and then the record bias & EQ. Feel free to call and Erik will explain it in detail. Sincerely, Jeff Galin "Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975! ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS 1807 Berlin Turnpike Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA VOICE & FAX 860-529-3700 Monday to Friday from 8am to 6pm ET jeff at nakamichi.us jeff at eslabs.com www.nakamichi.us ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Dingle" To: Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 3:51 PM Subject: [naktalk] CR7 EQ mod/ Jeff Galin on "Galinizing" Hi, Ron: You may have purchased a pre-85 unit. I don't know if the eq issue was a "standard" or mandated repair with authorized Nakamichi service folks (Jeff Galin could speak best to this-he just posted!), or had to be requested. Interestingly, in a copy of my CR7 service manual (from techman777 on EBay) there are service update instructions for the gear mod, but no info on the eq mod. I read a great deal about the differences between the older transport mechanisms and the Sankyo ones, and had some initial concerns about the reliability of the CR7, but it has since proven to be a real workhorse for me once the cam motor issue was resolved. The other big plus for me is that OEM belts aren't as critical in the CR7 (or ZX9) like they are in my LX3. Jeff, if you're out there, can you shed any light on any of this? Best, Paul > From: "Ron Walton" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 EQ Mod >> Thanks Paul, > > I will have to check my serial number. I bought the deck new in '87. Around 1992 I sent it in for service and they (Listen UP, Denver) called me to say it needed the gear update. Would they have done the EQ update automatically if it needed it? > > Ron W. > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.13/221 - Release Date: 1/4/2006 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 7 01:09:28 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:09:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Azimuth and NAAC stuff In-Reply-To: <010301c61237$b4823050$8902a8c0@warbird> Message-ID: <20060107000928.59225.qmail@web36813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Glad you find it useful. SJ --- Paul Dingle wrote: > Hi, Scott: > > Just a thank-you for the content on your web page--I've had it for > about > three years now, and found it both useful and enlightening. > > Best, > > Paul > >> From: Scott Johnson > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Azimuth and NAAC stuff > > > > > > You found my web page. > > > > If you spot any errors please let me know. > > > > Scott J. > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.13/221 - Release Date: > 1/4/2006 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 7 06:26:08 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 21:26:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks In-Reply-To: <007b01c612df$555cf440$76c887d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20060107052608.83641.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Nelson, Bitten by the 124? I can't imagine it! My 124 was bought by my dad in 1986. It saw service mainly as a 78rpm source with a stock Thorens TP14 arm and then was retired as a 'elder' TT. Three years ago, I took it out, did a complete overhaul and changed the arm to the present 3010-Series II ( the 10in version). I initially had a granite plinth built but didn't like the cold sound. I then built my own plinth using mdf. I used to run a Micro Seiki MM cart, and a Grado Prestige Gold, and now I am using the Ikeda moving coil. Dad almost bought a Oracle back in the late 80s, but chose to stick to his trusty Thorens TD-125 (yes I still have her, though I sold my TD-126). I've got a Dual 1019 which I hope to work on some day. Bala Nelson wrote: -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 06 January 2006 14:28 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks Hi Doane, In vinyl parlance, the newer decks would like a Rega Planar 3 with a Linn cart-beautiful and trouble free. But who would turn away from a Thorens TD124/II, SME 3012/II and a Ikeda moving coil cart? Bala [Graham Nelson] I would! <> I don't want another TD124 ... maybe I was unlucky but I don't fancy getting bitten twice. However, I am (for the time being) hanging on to my renovated/rewired SME3012/II, although I presently have nothing on which I can use it. (Sadly, 12" arms don't fit on Oracle Delphi TT's ... ) ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 7 06:40:59 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 21:40:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 680 pinch roller In-Reply-To: <20060106215122.61201.qmail@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060107054059.71282.qmail@web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Scott is right. I have had this problem on one of my 680ZXs.Get the front panel off, remove the cassette compartment door and close the door frame. Use a cotton tip with alcohol to gently work out the hardened grease (usually yellow in colour). Apply some light oil and gently work on roller pivot using your fingers. Best Regards Bala Ganesh 79 Labs Scott Johnson wrote: No. The control belt is not related to your pinch roller problem. You have hardened grease at the pivot point of the pinch roller. When in play you should be able to force it up to engage the tape and capstan. This is what SHOULD normally happen. You will need to clean the grease out. Try a cleaning solvent or alcohol and a light oil afterwards. It could take a while to get it to move freely again. With the deck in play manually move it back and forth to work in the cleaning solvent. SJ --- Adrian Finn wrote: > hi.. > > just been cleaning the heads of my 680 and noticed that the right > hand (looking from the front) pinch roller doesn't move and engage > > with the capstan roller when in play... I've made several > recordings recently and they sound fine though! I have an issue > with the mode control belt.. it takes a little time for the > transport > to engage when you press play.... I've ordered the belt from ESL... > > is the pinch roller related to this? > > > thanks > > adrian > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. 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URL: From rob at rhoag.com Fri Jan 6 18:15:26 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 09:15:26 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks In-Reply-To: <43BDAEFC.30109@lineone.net> Message-ID: Hi Mat: You started out saying that you have a large(?) collection of your favorite vinyl using an excellent system with a Rega setup so I assumed that you need a cassette deck for recording as well as playing back your old tape collection. With the high quality equipment you have, and at the low prices you can now buy Naks, I think it would be worth your while to spend just a few hundred dollars more to get a 3 head deck that has really good record features as well as playback. Even if your vinyl disks are already on the tapes you say you have, if they weren't recorded using a Nak back in the 70's-80's when tapes were not as good quality, and the vinyls are still in excellent condition, you may just want to start re-recording your favorites on a really good Nak, with high quality chrome or metal tapes and you will be amazed at the improvement in the tape sound quality over what you originally recorded using a non-Nak deck and older tape formulations. It can also be a lot of fun! JMHO All the best, Doane -----Original Message----- From: Matt [mailto:matt_ryde at lineone.net] Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 3:43 PM To: rob at rhoag.com Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks Thanks, the LX-5 seems to be a popular choice, i probably won't be doing much recording in reality, it's playback quality i'm looking for. Matt Doane Hoag wrote: >I can heartely recommend the 3 head ZX7, especially if you are going to be >doing a lot of recording... or the ZX9, which is the same as the ZX7 but >with a different transport with slighly better wow and flutter, but you will >probably pay several hundred more for the 9, if you can find one. Both have >tape monitors, record head azimuth, bias and levels adjustment, and two >speed cue forward and backward. > >Second, for less money, would be the 3 head LX5, with not as much recording >control as the 7 or 9, but it does have a tape monitor and bias adjustment, >which helps a lot in recording. > >Doane > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Matt >Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 12:05 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks > > >Hi everyone. >I am looking to dust off my old tape collection and delve into the dim >dark past as i have come to the conclusion that i am better off adding a >cassette player to my hi fi system than going out and replacing my dodgy >taste in 70's and 80's music on cd. My system currently consists of an >arcam cd73 running through an arcam alpha 9 amp into KEF q35's. My vinyl >relives it's glory days through a rega planar 2. I always dreamt of >having a nakamichi tape deck but knew and still know very little about >them. I am keen to hear peoples recommendations as i start to hunt >around on e-bay for a player. I enjoy my music but am not bursting at >the seams with spare cash so, assuming that buying an older machine i >will need to think about servicing it too i would like to strike a >balance of good sound and affordability. Currently on e-bay uk there are >cassette deck 1's, cassete deck 2, LX-5, BX 300e and probably a few >others. I've heard that the later decks were perhaps a little behind the >general Nak quality but how do they compare against the other makes. Any >advice on the pro's and cons of various machines will be gratefully >welcomed. I am not very techy so laymans terms even more appreciated or >just guidance toward old topics i can look over. 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Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rob at rhoag.com Fri Jan 6 18:25:28 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 09:25:28 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks In-Reply-To: <20060106142747.16788.qmail@web32804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks, Bala, I've never had a DR series deck, but just assumed they would walk over any other cassete deck in sound quality, but you may be right. I'll bet they still sound pretty darn good though, and especially for some one on a budget wanting a newer deck for a really good price... I have noticed they sell for less, but I agree, I would rather buy an older deck like my ZX7 and spend some money servicing it. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 6:28 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks Hi Doane, While the newer series offers a peace of mind in terms of reliability, its down in terms of sound quality by several notches. I have a DR10 which I bought brand new in 2002. Yes its new, sounds nice and has features like bias tune and three heads. The 680ZX however, walks all over the DR10 and its pretty gold front panel! Awesome response and record/playback is fantastic! The 600 is another deck which will delight analogue lovers and old timers who focus more on the midrange and warmth of the human voice. Despite having heard much newer decks, I've yet to excited as much the way decks of the late 70s (like the original tri-tracer, ZXL series, 6XXZX series and 600) have. In vinyl parlance, the newer decks would like a Rega Planar 3 with a Linn cart-beautiful and trouble free. But who would turn away from a Thorens TD124/II, SME 3012/II and a Ikeda moving coil cart? Bala Matt wrote: So many choices, they all sound so good. The hunt is on! Matt Doane Hoag wrote: > Hi, Fred: > Actually, the ZX-7 (1981-1984) was only made 1 year earlier then the > ZX-9 (1982-1985). The ZX-7 I have now was made in `83, so would be 23 > years old, not 30 something.. > > I'm not quibbling about this, it's just that everyone on this board > has been talking about much older Naks as well that are their > favorites, like the 1000 series (pre `84), the 680 series (pre `82), > etc. Even a CR4 is going to be over 16 years old (1988-90). > > I think the main thing is going to be the condition it's in and > whether parts are available. It seems like almost anything you buy on > Ebay is g! oing to need some work even though everyone of them states > they "have had very little use," (Like some one is going to fork out > the money for a new Nakamichi and then not use it?) ;~) > > The CR series is really nice, also, even the DR series, which are even > newer then the CRs would be a great deal for the money.. the DR10 was > made from 1999 on and has bias control, three heads, tape monitor, etc > DR2 was the same and just a bit older. I've seen 3 head DRs sell on > Ebay for $100-$200 There's a DR2 right now that's at $102, but the > reserve hasn't been meet > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5848023820 > > > Doane > > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]*On > Behalf Of *Fred Lifton > *Sent:* We! dnesday, January 04, 2006 5:15 PM > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > *Subject:* [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks > > Doane's point is well taken. I LOVE my Galinized ZX-7, it sounds > wonderful and makes jaw-dropping recordings. However, there is another > important difference between the 9 and 7. Namely, the ZX7 is going to > be a considerably older machine, possibly as much as almost 30 years > old. Just something to think about... > > Another good "entry level" Nak would be the CR-3 or 4 which offer some > basic calibration/adjustment and three heads. I have a Sanktified CR-3 > that sounds very nice and which, once its typical dying cam motor > issues were solved, has proven quite reliable. > > My $.02. > > Fred > > On Jan 4, 2006, at 4:59 PM, naktalk-request at naks.com > wrote: > >> *Fr! om: *"Doane Hoag" > >> >> *Date: *January 4, 2006 12:30:36 PM PST >> >> *To: *>, "Talk >> about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> > >> >> *Subject: **RE: [naktalk] Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete >> decks* >> >> *Reply-To: *rob at rhoag.com , Talk about >> Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >> >> >> >> >> I can heartely recommend the 3 head ZX7, especially if you are going >> to be >> >> doing a lot of recording... or the ZX9, which is the same as the ZX7 but >> >> with a different transport with slighly better wow and flutter, but >> you will >> >> ! probably pay several hundred more for the 9, if you can find one. >> Both have >> >> tape monitors, record head azimuth, bias and levels adjustment, and two >> >> speed cue forward and backward. >> >> >> Second, for less money, would be the 3 head LX5, with not as much >> recording >> >> control as the 7 or 9, but it does have a tape monitor and bias >> adjustment, >> >> which helps a lot in recording. >> >> >> Doane >> > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------======== = > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------======== = > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------======== = > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marc at stager.com Fri Jan 6 18:28:47 2006 From: marc at stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 12:28:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sank In-Reply-To: <200601061606.k06G3ZtQ013487@zxe.naks.com> References: <200601061606.k06G3ZtQ013487@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20060106122400.02c22910@stager.com> Stephen Sank, Talking Dog Transducer Co. Contact info at: http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm -:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:- >I think that the next time it needs service I will send it >to Mr. Sank and have it fully "Sanktified"! >Would somebody offer contact information for his business? >best regards, >Ron W. From gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com Fri Jan 6 18:57:39 2006 From: gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com (gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 11:57:39 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Happy New Year! The Tale of The Pirate In-Reply-To: <200601042031.k04KUVbD004097@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: I agree with your humble opinion! I bought my Klipschorns when I was single and working lots of overtime. I had heard Paul Klipsch had been in town (Cedar Rapids Iowa) just weeks before I bought them and have regretted missing him ever since. He's long gone now I suppose. You are so right about the Head East song. Ever tried the famous Telarc recording of the 1812 overture? I never get to crank them up anymore. No one in the family seems to enjoy my music. Somehow "the Simpsons" or "ER' always win out... Gary P.S. Who needs outdoor speakers? Just pour a few more watts to the K-horns! >> Klipsch Heresy's also. When I was 16, I spent a couple of weeks one summer with my grandparents in Texarkana Texas. One day my grandfather came home from work and told me that since I had such a bug for music he was going to take me to see the best speakers in the world being built. So he drove me up to Hope Arkansas to the Klipsch factory. I met Paul, walked the factory floor, etc. I was amazed at testing and production processes. When I first heard the K horns, they played Head East "Never been any Reason" followed by ZZ top LaGrange using a Thorens table and Mac tube amps. They cranked it up loud. I had goose bumps on goose bumps. I was stunned. From that day on I wanted a system like that. So when I graduated from High School my grandfather gave me the cash to buy a used set of Hereseys. I still have them. They are loaned out to my mother in law. As the years went by I moved up to the Cornwalls and finally the K horns. I listen to Sonus Faber now, but when I throw a big ! party out doors, the Heresys are always put into action. A good turntable( or Nak), a good tube amp and tube preamp, and a pair of Klipsch horn loaded speakers will make music that is competitive with anything made today. IMHO...<< From rob at rhoag.com Fri Jan 6 19:05:39 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 10:05:39 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks In-Reply-To: <007b01c612df$555cf440$76c887d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: That's interesting... back in about '83 I bought a Thorns TD-124(?) and when I got it set up and running I had horrible problems with feedback at high volume sound levels and even physical vibration problems when I would walk to heavily on the wood floor. I was very careful about leveling it and everything and I even tried putting it on a separate, isolated shelf, but I just had no luck, so after a week of fiddling with it I took it back to the dealer in Fort Worth, Texas and traded it for the new AR that had been redesigned from the classic, with a new arm that was very good quality, both had used a Shure V15II cartridge. Anyway, the AR was excellent and had no feedback problems at all and I did most of my cassette NAK recordings from it for several years. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Nelson Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 8:36 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 06 January 2006 14:28 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks Hi Doane, In vinyl parlance, the newer decks would like a Rega Planar 3 with a Linn cart-beautiful and trouble free. But who would turn away from a Thorens TD124/II, SME 3012/II and a Ikeda moving coil cart? Bala [Graham Nelson] I would! <> I don't want another TD124 ... maybe I was unlucky but I don't fancy getting bitten twice. However, I am (for the time being) hanging on to my renovated/rewired SME3012/II, although I presently have nothing on which I can use it. (Sadly, 12" arms don't fit on Oracle Delphi TT's ... ) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From flifton at mac.com Fri Jan 6 19:08:50 2006 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 10:08:50 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Bi-amping In-Reply-To: <200601060833.k068XmLd012212@zxe.naks.com> References: <200601060833.k068XmLd012212@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <580C6FC8-FD85-4E09-865E-2B9B4437BD41@mac.com> Hi Marc, I think you made my original point for me: true multi-amping is for pro set-ups or very, very expensive and complex home systems, so for a newbie with a modest system, money spent on passive bi-amping is a waste. I bet I'm not the only one on the list who envies you your system! cheers, Fred On Jan 6, 2006, at 12:33 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > I have bi-amped for years, driving custom Lambda bass > cabinets with a 500 watt RMS Perreaux amplifier, and a > a pair of McIntosh MC-40 tube mono amps driving Coastal > Acoustics SD1000 dome mids passively crossed over to > Aurasound ribbon tweeters. With my Audioarts electronic > crossover, I have complete control over the slope, frequency > and amplitude to every section of every amplifier. The bass > can rattle the windows and the mids and highs sing like > angels coming through the Macs, which never get pushed > very hard since they only work above 300Hz. > The passive networks between the mids and ribbons work > at a much lower level of stress than a bass-mid crossover. > They are simple 6 dB/octave design using Sidereal caps > bypassed with Teflon caps. The speaker systems are > physically time-aligned. > > My large pro systems are tri-amped, as are most large scale > commercial systems -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rondo at nottltd.com Fri Jan 6 19:13:34 2006 From: rondo at nottltd.com (Ron Walton) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 11:13:34 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR-& EQ Mod References: <008501c612df$57a86ae0$76c887d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <0e4501c612ec$e8226d70$6401a8c0@Rondo> Thanks for the info! Ron Just be prepared for a long wait to get your deck back from Stephen. This is not meant as a criticism of him, but he has a reputation for a very slow turnaround - months, not weeks. You may want to check out the turnaround times of ESL, Adam Liberman at Liberman Sound in El Cerrito, Kannan, anyone else I've forgotten in the USA (sorry guys!) or even B&W in the UK. (Using B&W may seem crazy but the cost of their parts is low and may compensate for the higher shipping costs in some instances.) It also depends on what you want - just a full service or (as ESL specialises) a full restoration? Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Walton Sent: 06 January 2006 15:52 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-& EQ Mod I have been constantly amazed at the wealth of knowledge on this forum! Thank you all for the comments. I did make a new recording last evening on a chrome tape (TDK CD) and left the EQ setting where it should be. During tape/source comparisons, I could detect little to no loss in the HF. Evidently, over the years, I deluded myself into thinking it "sounded" better, by switching the EQ to normal while recording! I will want to do some more testing though. I have a 20 lot of Maxell XLII-S tapes coming in next week. The serial number on my CR-7A is an early one, indicating the need for the EQ mod. Whether or not it was done by my dealer, Listen Up in Denver is another story. I could not find the receipt from when the gear upgrade was done in about '91 or '92. I think that the next time it needs service I will send it to Mr. Sank and have it fully "Sanktified"! Would somebody offer contact information for his business? best regards, Ron W. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Jan 6 20:11:37 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 13:11:37 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Bi-amping In-Reply-To: <036C2F7A-2D57-45AA-BFB0-E54BC4F368A0@mac.com> References: <200510261000.j9QA04kJ007144@zxe.naks.com> <036C2F7A-2D57-45AA-BFB0-E54BC4F368A0@mac.com> Message-ID: <43BEC0E9.6000906@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Fred, You mean bi-wiring. Waste of money, I think. Double the wire gauge, you'll gain the same "benefit". Fred Lifton wrote: > It occurs to me that my previous post was not specific enough on the > subject of bi-amping. I was speaking of passive bi-amping (hooking up > two amps to a two-lugged speaker and using its internal passive > crossover). True bi- (or multi-) amping has many useful professional > applications, but it is a complex and expensive endeavor beyond the > scope (and need, IMHO) of your typical home hi-fi. Just wanted to be > clear before the flames started licking at my in-box. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Fri Jan 6 20:48:49 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 13:48:49 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Best Head Cleaner? In-Reply-To: <20060106103813.53715.qmail@web37210.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060106103813.53715.qmail@web37210.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43BEC9A1.8090903@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Mike, Mike Douglas wrote: > Thanks for all the replies on maximizing tape performance. Any > recommendation for the best head cleaner? I'd like to get the best > possible one I can get for use on a CR-7E, in case it might subjectively > vary from deck to deck. -Mike I'd heartly recommend only American Recorder S-721H Head/pinch roller cleaner. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From msyoder at border.net Fri Jan 6 20:51:39 2006 From: msyoder at border.net (Yoder Michael) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 13:51:39 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Sony tape and DR-3 Message-ID: OK, my latest new year's resolution (besides composing at least 3 solo bass etudes this year) is to tape my favourite LPs for backup purposes as I listen to them. I started last night, and used Sony UX and UX-Pro cassettes. The UX were "assembled in Mexico of components made in Japan and USA", and the UX-Pro were "made in Mexico." I had bought a few of these last summer but had not yet used them in the Nakamichi DR-3, which is the machine set up in my living room hi-fi (with Rega P3, Rega Mira 3, Arcam CD73, Focal-JMLab Cobalt 806 speakers). The results were stunning! The imaging is perfect, the detail is perfect. Doing an A-B comparison, about the only tiny difference I may have heard is that the taped version might be slightly more controlled in the bass with the UX-Pro. I could tell no difference at all with the UX. OK, so today I went back to Liverpool, the store where I had bought those tapes, to see if they had more. They were out of the UX, but had the UX-Pro. They're 69 cents each for C-60 and 79 cents each for C-90. I bought a total of 35 Sony tapes. In addition, the store had one 3-pack remaining of Fuji Z-II 90's for $2.98, so I got that. I haven't used those yet . In fact, I've never heard of that tape, but have had great luck with other Fuji chrome tapes in the past, so I decided to try them. Did I get a good deal? Anyway, Liverpool is a strange store that sells all kinds of consumer electronics, many of which look discontinued, at amazingly cheap prices. Laredo is on the Texas-Mexico border, and downtown Laredo has tons of merchants who sell everything from shoes to jewelry to perfume to party supplies to cheap electronics, both wholesale and retail ("mayoreo-menudeo"), but mostly small-scale wholesaling to people who take the goods into Mexico and re-sell them. The owner, from Uruguay, tells me that he procures the Sony tapes and sells quite a few because in Latin America they still use cassettes. How ironic that tapes made in Mexico are brought into the US and resold to Mexican buyers who then take them back into Mexico! Anyway, what an interesting way to get me using my DR-3 much more! Happy new year to all. Michael Yoder http://www.ambientjazzduo.8m.net From t_lewis at pacbell.net Fri Jan 6 21:07:48 2006 From: t_lewis at pacbell.net (Tom Lewis) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 12:07:48 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Searching Archives Message-ID: <200601062008.k06K863H115474@pimout5-ext.prodigy.net> Can anyone inform me how to search the archives, please? I am looking for posts related to the 581 or 582. Tom Lewis -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark.l.caton at btinternet.com Fri Jan 6 22:16:46 2006 From: mark.l.caton at btinternet.com (Mark Caton) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 21:16:46 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Bi-amping In-Reply-To: <036C2F7A-2D57-45AA-BFB0-E54BC4F368A0@mac.com> Message-ID: <200601062116.k06LGj9s014553@zxe.naks.com> I own and use everyday an old 80s amp set up - the Lynx Vega, with bi-amped power amps. This set up uses an amp for bass and an amp for treble, which allows for by-passing of the crossovers. I know that when I use in normal mode (when one of the amps needs servicing!), that I lose a whole bunch of bandwidth. Conclusion - well I know it works for me, especially when playing back my CR-7 (whew, back on track!). Mark -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fred Lifton Sent: 05 January 2006 23:32 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Bi-amping It occurs to me that my previous post was not specific enough on the subject of bi-amping. I was speaking of passive bi-amping (hooking up two amps to a two-lugged speaker and using its internal passive crossover). True bi- (or multi-) amping has many useful professional applications, but it is a complex and expensive endeavor beyond the scope (and need, IMHO) of your typical home hi-fi. Just wanted to be clear before the flames started licking at my in-box. cheers, Fred ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From mark.l.caton at btinternet.com Fri Jan 6 22:16:47 2006 From: mark.l.caton at btinternet.com (Mark Caton) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 21:16:47 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Hi-Fi World - UK Message-ID: <200601062116.k06LGkEp014554@zxe.naks.com> Nice article in this month’s edition, with a 3 page article on owning and servicing old Naks, with a strong link and interview with Bowers&Wilkins. Also some pictures of a 600, restored and on the bench. £3.60 of our british pounds. Mark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From earthrite at gn.apc.org Fri Jan 6 23:37:26 2006 From: earthrite at gn.apc.org (earthrite at gn.apc.org) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 22:37:26 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Digression to record Decks and any NAK will make you grin for joy if you havent had one. Message-ID: Bala wrote: The 600 is another deck which will delight analogue lovers and old timers who focus more on the midrange and warmth of the human voice. Despite having heard much newer decks, I've yet to excited as much the way decks of the late 70s (like the original tri-tracer, ZXL series, 6XXZX series and 600) have. In vinyl parlance, the newer decks would like a Rega Planar 3 with a Linn cart-beautiful and trouble free. But who would turn away from a Thorens TD124/II, SME 3012/II and a Ikeda moving coil cart? Bala Yum yum bala ....... I have a Linn LP 12 and associated Ittok arm and the Ortofon vms30 we spoke about a month back...... but Im about to receive my brothers Garrard 401 and SME3012/ii ....... sadly with his Shure M75ed still in it ........ he never uses it and hasnt for possible 15 years so i asked on Christmass day and he said sure come and get it. A lot easier to set up than the Linn ...... but ugh what a plinth its in and no hinged lid ........ however I'll probably just miss out on that as they are a sonic disaster and the 401 is such an icon of a design as well as being interesting .... Leo Kotke made it here too i met him when he played at Uni and we all had a couple of his album and John Fahey too. re Newbie wants a Nak .... as you know I just had the good fortune to turn a $10 ebay 481 into a deck that B&W feel is certainly good for 10 years and maybe much longer ..... barring belts all for the price of a service and guarentee. Its from 1981 for heaven sake ....... and puts my record deck to shame and thats some £2000 of stuff at my last reckoning and it sounds as good as the various cd players I have to use. I could I suppose have spent 200 on buying a newer deck maybe needing less work but a service on them would also cost 200 pounds on top ..... so my view is buy any deck you like ...... if it works good then alleleulia but if not just get it serviced and know you have a cassette deck that is likely to be as good as it ever could be afterwards AND will stun anyone who knows how to listen to quality and will IMHO do the grin thing for you, that Alex ( I think ) promised me it would. These decks are so good its a shame not to have had one for 20 years. Im still wondering what use to make of the bias control on my 481z is if anyone can help peace Ian From matt_ryde at lineone.net Sat Jan 7 00:27:14 2006 From: matt_ryde at lineone.net (Matt) Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 23:27:14 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43BEFCD2.30403@lineone.net> Must admit i hadn't thought of it like that it's a great point, thanks, i guess there's a lot more enjoyment to be had from this project than i ever imagined. Matt Doane Hoag wrote: >Hi Mat: > >You started out saying that you have a large(?) collection of your favorite >vinyl using an excellent system with a Rega setup so I assumed that you need >a cassette deck for recording as well as playing back your old tape >collection. With the high quality equipment you have, and at the low prices >you can now buy Naks, I think it would be worth your while to spend just a >few hundred dollars more to get a 3 head deck that has really good record >features as well as playback. Even if your vinyl disks are already on the >tapes you say you have, if they weren't recorded using a Nak back in the >70's-80's when tapes were not as good quality, and the vinyls are still in >excellent condition, you may just want to start re-recording your favorites >on a really good Nak, with high quality chrome or metal tapes and you will >be amazed at the improvement in the tape sound quality over what you >originally recorded using a non-Nak deck and older tape formulations. It can >also be a lot of fun! JMHO > >All the best, >Doane > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Matt [mailto:matt_ryde at lineone.net] >Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 3:43 PM >To: rob at rhoag.com >Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks > > >Thanks, the LX-5 seems to be a popular choice, i probably won't be doing >much recording in reality, it's playback quality i'm looking for. > >Matt > >Doane Hoag wrote: > > > >>I can heartely recommend the 3 head ZX7, especially if you are going to be >>doing a lot of recording... or the ZX9, which is the same as the ZX7 but >>with a different transport with slighly better wow and flutter, but you >> >> >will > > >>probably pay several hundred more for the 9, if you can find one. Both have >>tape monitors, record head azimuth, bias and levels adjustment, and two >>speed cue forward and backward. >> >>Second, for less money, would be the 3 head LX5, with not as much recording >>control as the 7 or 9, but it does have a tape monitor and bias adjustment, >>which helps a lot in recording. >> >>Doane >> >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >>Behalf Of Matt >>Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 12:05 PM >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: [naktalk] Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks >> >> >>Hi everyone. >>I am looking to dust off my old tape collection and delve into the dim >>dark past as i have come to the conclusion that i am better off adding a >>cassette player to my hi fi system than going out and replacing my dodgy >>taste in 70's and 80's music on cd. My system currently consists of an >>arcam cd73 running through an arcam alpha 9 amp into KEF q35's. My vinyl >>relives it's glory days through a rega planar 2. I always dreamt of >>having a nakamichi tape deck but knew and still know very little about >>them. I am keen to hear peoples recommendations as i start to hunt >>around on e-bay for a player. I enjoy my music but am not bursting at >>the seams with spare cash so, assuming that buying an older machine i >>will need to think about servicing it too i would like to strike a >>balance of good sound and affordability. Currently on e-bay uk there are >>cassette deck 1's, cassete deck 2, LX-5, BX 300e and probably a few >>others. I've heard that the later decks were perhaps a little behind the >>general Nak quality but how do they compare against the other makes. Any >>advice on the pro's and cons of various machines will be gratefully >>welcomed. I am not very techy so laymans terms even more appreciated or >>just guidance toward old topics i can look over. Thanks in anticipation. >>Matt >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >> From matt_ryde at lineone.net Sat Jan 7 00:35:25 2006 From: matt_ryde at lineone.net (Matt) Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 23:35:25 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks In-Reply-To: <891B5D3C-F3DE-4E3B-8EFC-9BEAF57305D7@mac.com> References: <200601051100.k05B04CM007218@zxe.naks.com> <891B5D3C-F3DE-4E3B-8EFC-9BEAF57305D7@mac.com> Message-ID: <43BEFEBD.70901@lineone.net> Sorry if i'm going over old ground but as a complete aside i'm interested to know if any one has any experience/opinion on ancillaries such as power cords, silencers and mains blocks. I appreciate most of you are on the other side of the atlantic, in the uk a company, Russ Andrews, are producing a variety of items supposed to assist/improve sound quality. As my amp is permanently on i get frustrated when i hear an electrical component in the house 'fire up' and set the speakers crackling, normally the fridge or freezer cutting in. Matt Fred Lifton wrote: > Hi Matt, > IMHO, you can save a lot of money by not bothering with the fancy > interconnects or the bi-amping. Put the money into getting your "new" > Nak serviced. That will make a far greater difference sonically. > > I know the subject has been discussed exhaustively on this list and > that many of us feel that most interconnects are snake-oil and that > people who claim to hear a difference are psycho-acoustically > influenced by the large amount of money they just spent on two chunks > of wire wrapped in plastic. In my experience, $10-$20 buys you a nice > sturdy cable with good quality shielding, plenty of copper and a firm > connection. That's all you need. > > Bi-amping makes even less sense to me. Besides introducing all sorts > of phase/timing issues, what purpose does it fulfill? Will your > amplifier really be helped by not having to drive the tweeters? If so, > shop for a new amp, not a second amp! I don't buy the interference > claims either. Guitarists don't use one amp for the three high strings > and one for the three bass strings and, electrically, these are much > smaller signals and so presumably more prone to interference and > interaction due to inductance. Same thing applies to pure acoustics: > all the tones come out of the same sound hole on a violin, right? No, > for me bi-amping makes about as much sense as any other form of > segregation. > > That's my $.02. Take it or leave it. > cheers, > Fred > > On Jan 5, 2006, at 3:00 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com > wrote: > >> Budget, i'm not sure nad was hoping for some guidance. I was hoping >> to keep it around £100 to £150, addingthe cost of a decent >> interconnect will push the purchase up and i do want to keep the >> budget reasonable because i'm also tempted to try and find a power >> amp to bi amp my speakers. If my budget is unrealistic i'll need to >> reconsider and perhaps forgoe the amp. >> > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From rob at rhoag.com Sat Jan 7 03:29:32 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 18:29:32 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Azimuth and NAAC stuff In-Reply-To: <20060107000928.59225.qmail@web36813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I want to add my thanks too, lots of good info and well done! Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Scott Johnson Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 4:09 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Azimuth and NAAC stuff Glad you find it useful. SJ --- Paul Dingle wrote: > Hi, Scott: > > Just a thank-you for the content on your web page--I've had it for > about > three years now, and found it both useful and enlightening. > > Best, > > Paul > >> From: Scott Johnson > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Azimuth and NAAC stuff > > > > > > You found my web page. > > > > If you spot any errors please let me know. > > > > Scott J. > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.13/221 - Release Date: > 1/4/2006 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Jan 7 04:25:59 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 21:25:59 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 EQ mod/ Jeff Galin on "Galinizing" In-Reply-To: <01ff01c6131d$f8b26ce0$6401a8c0@SONYNOTEBOOK> References: <200601051933.k05JX6F5008958@zxe.naks.com> <010b01c61239$c64786d0$8902a8c0@warbird> <01ff01c6131d$f8b26ce0$6401a8c0@SONYNOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <43BF34C7.4060202@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Jeff, jeff at eslabs.com wrote: > The EQ mods. are very misunderstood! Nakamichi developed these >specifically to accommodate the SA"X"and the XLII"S" type tapes. When >we tweak the EQ, many of these components become very different from >the original or the published Nakamichi modification. We start by >tweaking the playback EQ to the Nakamichi standard and then the record >bias & EQ. Thanks for the clarification! That's interesting. It implies the SA-X and XL-IIS are markedly different from the older formulations. Would a 500, 550, 600, 600-II, 700, or 1000 require a similar modification to use these cassettes? I ask because have the 500, 550, 600 and 600-II. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Sat Jan 7 05:25:42 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 22:25:42 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] gjgkerrtx@hotmail.com Message-ID: -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Sat Jan 7 05:42:00 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 22:42:00 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Heres the other RX-303 i won on Ebay last week Message-ID: heres the final "panel" in my Nak RX-303 "tryptic".This is the third one ,one of two, i won over the holidays on e-bay to add to the original Rx-303 Ive owned for a couple of years since i joined NAktalk. . I have a fetish for 303's!! I am thinking that these excellent RX two haead units can be used to full effect , same as three heads, with an excellent Signal router/monitor like my Furman SRm-80? -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Sat Jan 7 05:42:32 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 22:42:32 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Heres the other RX-303 i won on Ebay last week Message-ID: heres the final "panel" in my Nak RX-303 "tryptic".This is the third one ,one of two, i won over the holidays on e-bay to add to the original Rx-303 Ive owned for a couple of years since i joined NAktalk. . I have a fetish for 303's!! I am thinking that these excellent RX two haead units can be used to full effect , same as three heads, with an excellent Signal router/monitor like my Furman SRm-80? -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Sat Jan 7 05:51:21 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 22:51:21 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] sorry, heres the link on the RX-303 Message-ID: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5847827941&sspagename=ADME:L:AAQ:US:1 This is aslo the second, my newest preciuos-gorgeous Nak Rx-303.With my new Furman Srm-80 as record monitor, I have a budget 505 at 1/3 the price!! -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From gfumptibxszm at designomatic.com Sat Jan 7 06:05:51 2006 From: gfumptibxszm at designomatic.com (Porfirio Webber) Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 08:05:51 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Re: wxy, You didnt answer In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 06 Jan 2006 22:10:51 -0700." <20031002150239.GG32185@asuka.tech.sitadelle.com> Message-ID: "Ci-iallis Sof-tabs" is better than Pfizer V-iiaggrra and normal Ci-ialis because: - Guarantes 36 hours lasting - Safe to take, no side effectts at all - Boost and increase se-xual perfoormance - Haarder e-rectiiions and quick recharge - Proven and c-ertified by e-xperts and d-octors - only $1.98 per tabs - Special offeer! These prices - are valid u-ntil 30th of December ! Cllick hereee: http://callqnet.info From rossnkiely at gmail.com Sat Jan 7 06:37:54 2006 From: rossnkiely at gmail.com (Ross Kiely) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 00:37:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] New to Naktalk-Help with Nak 600 Message-ID: <6e1618b40601062137t262ba7ccpfa8df4b76094e954@mail.gmail.com> Hi everyone!! Just found this site while looking at a Nak on e-bay. I have owned a Nak 600 since it came on the market! Over the years it has served me well. It has mostly been trouble free except twice over the years, with Both times the problem being with the Control push keys not engaging the Record Mode.Sometimes they would not even engage it in Play mode. Had it fixed both times by Nak Tech. but alas there are not too many around now in my area, and the same problem has arisen again! Just purchased a Used 600 from Ebay yesterday for$35.00. The owner said that it was working fine, then while in Play,just stopped. so he decided to sell it for parts. etc. Maybe between the two, I can get one or both working again. Also purchasing a Service Manual from E-bay for the 600. Will see what I can do! Sorry if I rambeld on too much. Will keep it shorter in the future. Any suggestions or ideas will be welcomed. Thanks Ross. -- Ross Kiely-Sound/Lighting Danforth Community Church Toronto, Ontario,Canada. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 7 11:59:43 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 02:59:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Thorens In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060107105943.36249.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Doane and everyone else, Initially, the 124 did seem like a deck that would make lots of noise. However, there's more to it then meets the eye. Its derived from the famous EMT line of turntables (the 124 is the direct domestic breed of the EMT 930). EMTs were the workhorses of radio stations around the world. Also, the precision swiss crasftmanship speaks for itself. The key is to get everything precisely cleaned-up and properly tuned. Also, the bottom of the bearing well has a couple of shims that need replacement, oil change etc. I did all these myself but have not changed the rubber mounts as yet. Using my 'Made in my Kitchen' mdf plinth, the sound is very quiet. Its not just made heavy with lotsa metal (on the contrary, the original 930 is a three man effort!). Its cleverly designed to suspend the motor to isolate the vibrations. Its also the only tt in the world to combine belt and rim drive thus giving us the best of both worlds. This is precisely the stuff for audiotalk. How come its not moving? Bala Doane Hoag wrote: That's interesting... back in about '83 I bought a Thorns TD-124(?) and when I got it set up and running I had horrible problems with feedback at high volume sound levels and even physical vibration problems when I would walk to heavily on the wood floor. I was very careful about leveling it and everything and I even tried putting it on a separate, isolated shelf, but I just had no luck, so after a week of fiddling with it I took it back to the dealer in Fort Worth, Texas and traded it for the new AR that had been redesigned from the classic, with a new arm that was very good quality, both had used a Shure V15II cartridge. Anyway, the AR was excellent and had no feedback problems at all and I did most of my cassette NAK recordings from it for several years. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Nelson Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 8:36 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 06 January 2006 14:28 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks Hi Doane, In vinyl parlance, the newer decks would like a Rega Planar 3 with a Linn cart-beautiful and trouble free. But who would turn away from a Thorens TD124/II, SME 3012/II and a Ikeda moving coil cart? Bala [Graham Nelson] I would! <> I don't want another TD124 ... maybe I was unlucky but I don't fancy getting bitten twice. However, I am (for the time being) hanging on to my renovated/rewired SME3012/II, although I presently have nothing on which I can use it. (Sadly, 12" arms don't fit on Oracle Delphi TT's ... ) ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 7 12:04:02 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 03:04:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060107110402.25448.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Doane, Yes. you won't regret the effort and persevence the ZX7/9 requires. I have 22 Nakamichis and my DR10 is the only one that doesn't require any maintainence. However, I have to admit its the deck I least listen to. Bala Doane Hoag wrote: Thanks, Bala, I've never had a DR series deck, but just assumed they would walk over any other cassete deck in sound quality, but you may be right. I'll bet they still sound pretty darn good though, and especially for some one on a budget wanting a newer deck for a really good price... I have noticed they sell for less, but I agree, I would rather buy an older deck like my ZX7 and spend some money servicing it. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 6:28 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks Hi Doane, While the newer series offers a peace of mind in terms of reliability, its down in terms of sound quality by several notches. I have a DR10 which I bought brand new in 2002. Yes its new, sounds nice and has features like bias tune and three heads. The 680ZX however, walks all over the DR10 and its pretty gold front panel! Awesome response and record/playback is fantastic! The 600 is another deck which will delight analogue lovers and old timers who focus more on the midrange and warmth of the human voice. Despite having heard much newer decks, I've yet to excited as much the way decks of the late 70s (like the original tri-tracer, ZXL series, 6XXZX series and 600) have. In vinyl parlance, the newer decks would like a Rega Planar 3 with a Linn cart-beautiful and trouble free. But who would turn away from a Thorens TD124/II, SME 3012/II and a Ikeda moving coil cart? Bala Matt wrote: So many choices, they all sound so good. The hunt is on! Matt Doane Hoag wrote: > Hi, Fred: > Actually, the ZX-7 (1981-1984) was only made 1 year earlier then the > ZX-9 (1982-1985). The ZX-7 I have now was made in `83, so would be 23 > years old, not 30 something.. > > I'm not quibbling about this, it's just that everyone on this board > has been talking about much older Naks as well that are their > favorites, like the 1000 series (pre `84), the 680 series (pre `82), > etc. Even a CR4 is going to be over 16 years old (1988-90). > > I think the main thing is going to be the condition it's in and > whether parts are available. It seems like almost anything you buy on > Ebay is g! oing to need some work even though everyone of them states > they "have had very little use," (Like some one is going to fork out > the money for a new Nakamichi and then not use it?) ;~) > > The CR series is really nice, also, even the DR series, which are even > newer then the CRs would be a great deal for the money.. the DR10 was > made from 1999 on and has bias control, three heads, tape monitor, etc > DR2 was the same and just a bit older. I've seen 3 head DRs sell on > Ebay for $100-$200 There's a DR2 right now that's at $102, but the > reserve hasn't been meet > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5848023820 > > > Doane > > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]*On > Behalf Of *Fred Lifton > *Sent:* We! dnesday, January 04, 2006 5:15 PM > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > *Subject:* [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks > > Doane's point is well taken. I LOVE my Galinized ZX-7, it sounds > wonderful and makes jaw-dropping recordings. However, there is another > important difference between the 9 and 7. Namely, the ZX7 is going to > be a considerably older machine, possibly as much as almost 30 years > old. Just something to think about... > > Another good "entry level" Nak would be the CR-3 or 4 which offer some > basic calibration/adjustment and three heads. I have a Sanktified CR-3 > that sounds very nice and which, once its typical dying cam motor > issues were solved, has proven quite reliable. > > My $.02. > > Fred > > On Jan 4, 2006, at 4:59 PM, naktalk-request at naks.com > wrote: > >> *Fr! om: *"Doane Hoag" > >> >> *Date: *January 4, 2006 12:30:36 PM PST >> >> *To: *>, "Talk >> about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> > >> >> *Subject: **RE: [naktalk] Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete >> decks* >> >> *Reply-To: *rob at rhoag.com , Talk about >> Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >> >> >> >> >> I can heartely recommend the 3 head ZX7, especially if you are going >> to be >> >> doing a lot of recording... or the ZX9, which is the same as the ZX7 but >> >> with a different transport with slighly better wow and flutter, but >> you will >> >> ! probably pay several hundred more for the 9, if you can find one. >> Both have >> >> tape monitors, record head azimuth, bias and levels adjustment, and two >> >> speed cue forward and backward. >> >> >> Second, for less money, would be the 3 head LX5, with not as much >> recording >> >> control as the 7 or 9, but it does have a tape monitor and bias >> adjustment, >> >> which helps a lot in recording. >> >> >> Doane >> > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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Here in Israel where I live, I acquired 2 boxes of 10 cassettes Fuji Z-2 90 minutes, each one cost me a mere $:1.00 (One US dollar only!), they are welded shells made entirely in Japan...I can tell you very confidently, that with my lovely gifted Dragon deck...the results are amazing good...of course after that you calibrate the machine for these Fuji. Be 100% confidently...are superbly tapes! Be well, ALEX! >From: Yoder Michael >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Sony tape and DR-3 >Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 13:51:39 -0600 > >OK, my latest new year's resolution (besides composing at least 3 solo bass >etudes this year) is to tape my favourite LPs for backup purposes as I >listen to them. I started last night, and used Sony UX and UX-Pro >cassettes. The UX were "assembled in Mexico of components made in Japan >and USA", and the UX-Pro were "made in Mexico." I had bought a few of >these last summer but had not yet used them in the Nakamichi DR-3, which is >the machine set up in my living room hi-fi (with Rega P3, Rega Mira 3, >Arcam CD73, Focal-JMLab Cobalt 806 speakers). > >The results were stunning! The imaging is perfect, the detail is perfect. >Doing an A-B comparison, about the only tiny difference I may have heard is >that the taped version might be slightly more controlled in the bass with >the UX-Pro. I could tell no difference at all with the UX. > >OK, so today I went back to Liverpool, the store where I had bought those >tapes, to see if they had more. They were out of the UX, but had the >UX-Pro. They're 69 cents each for C-60 and 79 cents each for C-90. I >bought a total of 35 Sony tapes. In addition, the store had one 3-pack >remaining of Fuji Z-II 90's for $2.98, so I got that. I haven't used those >yet . In fact, I've never heard of that tape, but have had great luck with >other Fuji chrome tapes in the past, so I decided to try them. Did I get a >good deal? > >Anyway, Liverpool is a strange store that sells all kinds of consumer >electronics, many of which look discontinued, at amazingly cheap prices. >Laredo is on the Texas-Mexico border, and downtown Laredo has tons of >merchants who sell everything from shoes to jewelry to perfume to party >supplies to cheap electronics, both wholesale and retail >("mayoreo-menudeo"), but mostly small-scale wholesaling to people who take >the goods into Mexico and re-sell them. The owner, from Uruguay, tells me >that he procures the Sony tapes and sells quite a few because in Latin >America they still use cassettes. How ironic that tapes made in Mexico are >brought into the US and resold to Mexican buyers who then take them back >into Mexico! > >Anyway, what an interesting way to get me using my DR-3 much more! > >Happy new year to all. > >Michael Yoder >http://www.ambientjazzduo.8m.net > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sat Jan 7 12:25:46 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 11:25:46 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Digression to record Decks and any NAK will make you grin for joy if you haven't had one. Message-ID: Dear Ian! You wrote...! Please remind; me what I promised you? Cheers, ALEX! >From: earthrite at gn.apc.org >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Digression to record Decks and any NAK will make you >grin for joy if you havent had one. >Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 22:37:26 +0000 > > Bala wrote: > The 600 is another deck which will delight analogue lovers and old >timers who focus more on the midrange and warmth of the human voice. >Despite having heard much newer decks, I've yet to excited as much the way >decks of the late 70s (like the original tri-tracer, ZXL series, 6XXZX >series and 600) have. In vinyl parlance, the newer decks would like a Rega >Planar 3 with a Linn cart-beautiful and trouble free. But who would turn >away from a Thorens TD124/II, SME 3012/II and a Ikeda moving coil cart? > >Bala > >Yum yum bala ....... I have a Linn LP 12 and associated Ittok arm and the >Ortofon vms30 we spoke about a month back...... but Im about to receive my >brothers Garrard 401 and SME3012/ii ....... sadly with his Shure M75ed >still in it ........ he never uses it and hasnt for possible 15 years so i >asked on Christmass day and he said sure come and get it. A lot easier to >set up than the Linn ...... but ugh what a plinth its in and no hinged lid >........ however I'll probably just miss out on that as they are a sonic >disaster and the 401 is such an icon of a design as well as being >interesting .... > >Leo Kotke made it here too i met him when he played at Uni and we all had a >couple of his album and John Fahey too. > >re Newbie wants a Nak .... as you know I just had the good fortune to turn >a $10 ebay 481 into a deck that B&W feel is certainly good for 10 years and >maybe much longer ..... barring belts all for the price of a service and >guarentee. > >Its from 1981 for heaven sake ....... and puts my record deck to shame and >thats some �2000 of stuff at my last reckoning and it sounds as good as the >various cd players I have to use. I could I suppose have spent 200 on >buying a newer deck maybe needing less work but a service on them would >also cost 200 pounds on top ..... so my view is buy any deck you like >...... if it works good then alleleulia but if not just get it serviced and >know you have a cassette deck that is likely to be as good as it ever could >be afterwards AND will stun anyone who knows how to listen to quality and >will IMHO do the grin thing for you, that Alex ( I think ) promised me it >would. > >These decks are so good its a shame not to have had one for 20 years. > >Im still wondering what use to make of the bias control on my 481z is if >anyone can help > >peace > >Ian > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From mark.l.caton at btinternet.com Sat Jan 7 17:24:28 2006 From: mark.l.caton at btinternet.com (Mark Caton) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 16:24:28 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Best Head Cleaner? In-Reply-To: <43BEC9A1.8090903@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <200601071624.k07GOP4Z018097@zxe.naks.com> Hmm, that Cleaner looks good. Anyone know if it's available outside the US? (e.g. UK). Regards, Mark -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray Sent: 06 January 2006 19:49 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Best Head Cleaner? Hi Mike, Mike Douglas wrote: > Thanks for all the replies on maximizing tape performance. Any > recommendation for the best head cleaner? I'd like to get the best > possible one I can get for use on a CR-7E, in case it might subjectively > vary from deck to deck. -Mike I'd heartly recommend only American Recorder S-721H Head/pinch roller cleaner. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Jan 7 17:36:10 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 11:36:10 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks In-Reply-To: <43BEFEBD.70901@lineone.net> References: <200601051100.k05B04CM007218@zxe.naks.com> <891B5D3C-F3DE-4E3B-8EFC-9BEAF57305D7@mac.com> <43BEFEBD.70901@lineone.net> Message-ID: <43BFEDFA.5020901@rcn.com> Well, power line conditioners are, in most cases, in the snake-oil/bird's-milk category. If you have a power line problem, they *will* fix it, albeit at ridiculously higher cost than correcting the problem at the source. Power line problems are often the result of old or dilapidated wiring, connection boxes, outlets and the like. Replacing or repairing these is a better solution. A few years ago I got tired of the turntable cutting out whenever the air conditioner or refrigerator switched in. Since I was revamping the system anyway, I ran a dedicated power line from a dedicated circuit breaker to the A/V system. Since then, bliss... Cost, BTW, was a fraction of a Monster line conditioner... The same approach works with regard to many (most? all?) tweaks. What you want is solid engineering solutions to real problem, not gimmicks designed to separate you from your hard earned cash. Speaker cables should be adequate to the task, as should be the interconnects, but $1000 wires are a joke (on the consumer). With any tweak, apply the sanity check. Ask, first, do the claims make technical sense? If invited to listen, remember that listening tests are useless unless blind (double blind is better). If unsure, ask an engineer or physicist. Second, ask what is it in the tweak that justifies it's cost. Why does the esoteric line cord cost $600? If it costs too much, it's probably bogus. Just my 2.5 cents... -- Ron Matt wrote: > Sorry if i'm going over old ground but as a complete aside i'm > interested to know if any one has any experience/opinion on ancillaries > such as power cords, silencers and mains blocks. I appreciate most of > you are on the other side of the atlantic, in the uk a company, Russ > Andrews, are producing a variety of items supposed to assist/improve > sound quality. As my amp is permanently on i get frustrated when i hear > an electrical component in the house 'fire up' and set the speakers > crackling, normally the fridge or freezer cutting in. > > Matt > > Fred Lifton wrote: > >> Hi Matt, >> IMHO, you can save a lot of money by not bothering with the fancy >> interconnects or the bi-amping. Put the money into getting your "new" >> Nak serviced. That will make a far greater difference sonically. >> I know the subject has been discussed exhaustively on this list and >> that many of us feel that most interconnects are snake-oil and that >> people who claim to hear a difference are psycho-acoustically >> influenced by the large amount of money they just spent on two chunks >> of wire wrapped in plastic. In my experience, $10-$20 buys you a nice >> sturdy cable with good quality shielding, plenty of copper and a firm >> connection. That's all you need. >> >> Bi-amping makes even less sense to me. Besides introducing all sorts >> of phase/timing issues, what purpose does it fulfill? Will your >> amplifier really be helped by not having to drive the tweeters? If so, >> shop for a new amp, not a second amp! I don't buy the interference >> claims either. Guitarists don't use one amp for the three high strings >> and one for the three bass strings and, electrically, these are much >> smaller signals and so presumably more prone to interference and >> interaction due to inductance. Same thing applies to pure acoustics: >> all the tones come out of the same sound hole on a violin, right? No, >> for me bi-amping makes about as much sense as any other form of >> segregation. >> >> That's my $.02. Take it or leave it. >> cheers, >> Fred >> >> On Jan 5, 2006, at 3:00 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com >> wrote: >> >>> Budget, i'm not sure nad was hoping for some guidance. I was hoping >>> to keep it around £100 to £150, addingthe cost of a decent >>> interconnect will push the purchase up and i do want to keep the >>> budget reasonable because i'm also tempted to try and find a power >>> amp to bi amp my speakers. If my budget is unrealistic i'll need to >>> reconsider and perhaps forgoe the amp. > From rob at rhoag.com Sat Jan 7 18:39:25 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 09:39:25 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks In-Reply-To: <43BEFEBD.70901@lineone.net> Message-ID: Matt: Not good at all... could be filter caps in your power supply, but you definitely need to get that fixed, very hard on your tweeters. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 3:35 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks Sorry if i'm going over old ground but as a complete aside i'm interested to know if any one has any experience/opinion on ancillaries such as power cords, silencers and mains blocks. I appreciate most of you are on the other side of the atlantic, in the uk a company, Russ Andrews, are producing a variety of items supposed to assist/improve sound quality. As my amp is permanently on i get frustrated when i hear an electrical component in the house 'fire up' and set the speakers crackling, normally the fridge or freezer cutting in. Matt -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 8:36 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks Well, power line conditioners are, in most cases, in the snake-oil/bird's-milk category. If you have a power line problem, they *will* fix it, albeit at ridiculously higher cost than correcting the problem at the source. Power line problems are often the result of old or dilapidated wiring, connection boxes, outlets and the like. Replacing or repairing these is a better solution. A few years ago I got tired of the turntable cutting out whenever the air conditioner or refrigerator switched in. Since I was revamping the system anyway, I ran a dedicated power line from a dedicated circuit breaker to the A/V system. Since then, bliss... Cost, BTW, was a fraction of a Monster line conditioner... The same approach works with regard to many (most? all?) tweaks. What you want is solid engineering solutions to real problem, not gimmicks designed to separate you from your hard earned cash. Speaker cables should be adequate to the task, as should be the interconnects, but $1000 wires are a joke (on the consumer). With any tweak, apply the sanity check. Ask, first, do the claims make technical sense? If invited to listen, remember that listening tests are useless unless blind (double blind is better). If unsure, ask an engineer or physicist. Second, ask what is it in the tweak that justifies it's cost. Why does the esoteric line cord cost $600? If it costs too much, it's probably bogus. Just my 2.5 cents... -- Ron Matt wrote: > Sorry if i'm going over old ground but as a complete aside i'm > interested to know if any one has any experience/opinion on ancillaries > such as power cords, silencers and mains blocks. I appreciate most of > you are on the other side of the atlantic, in the uk a company, Russ > Andrews, are producing a variety of items supposed to assist/improve > sound quality. As my amp is permanently on i get frustrated when i hear > an electrical component in the house 'fire up' and set the speakers > crackling, normally the fridge or freezer cutting in. > > Matt > > Fred Lifton wrote: > >> Hi Matt, >> IMHO, you can save a lot of money by not bothering with the fancy >> interconnects or the bi-amping. Put the money into getting your "new" >> Nak serviced. That will make a far greater difference sonically. >> I know the subject has been discussed exhaustively on this list and >> that many of us feel that most interconnects are snake-oil and that >> people who claim to hear a difference are psycho-acoustically >> influenced by the large amount of money they just spent on two chunks >> of wire wrapped in plastic. In my experience, $10-$20 buys you a nice >> sturdy cable with good quality shielding, plenty of copper and a firm >> connection. That's all you need. >> >> Bi-amping makes even less sense to me. Besides introducing all sorts >> of phase/timing issues, what purpose does it fulfill? Will your >> amplifier really be helped by not having to drive the tweeters? If so, >> shop for a new amp, not a second amp! I don't buy the interference >> claims either. Guitarists don't use one amp for the three high strings >> and one for the three bass strings and, electrically, these are much >> smaller signals and so presumably more prone to interference and >> interaction due to inductance. Same thing applies to pure acoustics: >> all the tones come out of the same sound hole on a violin, right? No, >> for me bi-amping makes about as much sense as any other form of >> segregation. >> >> That's my $.02. Take it or leave it. >> cheers, >> Fred >> >> On Jan 5, 2006, at 3:00 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com >> wrote: >> >>> Budget, i'm not sure nad was hoping for some guidance. I was hoping >>> to keep it around £100 to £150, addingthe cost of a decent >>> interconnect will push the purchase up and i do want to keep the >>> budget reasonable because i'm also tempted to try and find a power >>> amp to bi amp my speakers. If my budget is unrealistic i'll need to >>> reconsider and perhaps forgoe the amp. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From marc at stager.com Sat Jan 7 19:12:49 2006 From: marc at stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 13:12:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Simple calibration (Or how to use bias control) In-Reply-To: <200601071102.k07B1vUP017310@zxe.naks.com> References: <200601071102.k07B1vUP017310@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20060107123616.034f5308@stager.com> Use the bias control to adjust for the most accurate sound. Cheap and simple calibration: First make sure the heads are properly azimuth-aligned. Very important: BE VERY CAREFUL NOT TO TOUCH THE HEAD HEIGHT CONTROLS. You need a calibrated and very expensive jig to get these right. Nakamichi should never have made these controls so easily accessible. Make a note of where the trimmers are so you can return to that spot if you don't get good results. I just put a little dot on the plastic trimmers with a Sharpie pen. Adjust for play head azimuth for best treble response from a high quality pre-recorded tape with good highs. Easiest if you listen in with Dolby OFF, and in MONO, which emphasizes phase differences. Of course, a calibrated test cassette is best, but a good commercially recorded tape is usually all you need. Set the deck up with: Dolby off. Set tape to EX for normal, SX for chrome (TDK SA, Maxell XL, etc), ZX for metal tapes Set EQ: 120 for normal, 70 for chrome or metal. Using your tuner for the source, switch it to mono and shut off the muting, tune to a spot where you just get noise, at one end of the dial or between station. Record at - 10 dB on the Nak meters. First, makes sure your record head azimuth is properly aligned by adjusting it for best treble response using the record head azimuth screw. Again, be careful not to touch the head height adjusters. Set the amplifier on mono. It helps if you turn up the treble. After you've got the heads aligned, then... Listening off the play head, (tape monitor ON on you preamp) do one side at a time, adjusting the bias control for the least difference in sound between the input and output as you flip between the tape and source switch. Not too much treble, not too little. They should sound the same. If you have a record level control, once you find the optimal bias point, trim it so the levels match. Some models can do this automatically. Check that the results are also good with Dolby ON. There should be no difference in the sound of FM noise - or music, except you'll lose most of the tape hiss you would normally hear on quiet passages. ____________ Marc Stager Stager Sound Systems http://marc.stager.com/ -:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:- >I'm still wondering what use to make of the bias >control on my 481z is if anyone can help >peace >Ian From mhugo at sunint.co.za Sat Jan 7 19:13:14 2006 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc hugo) Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 20:13:14 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Sony tape and DR-3 Message-ID: Hi Michael, Great post!! I guess your Tascam and Sony are in the studio and they get all the attention!! I must agree, I have had plenty of satisfaction from the Mexican UX-S - and will look out for the UX Pro. Did you get a good deal? Definitely - excellent in fact. As for the Fuji ZIIs - they are terrific type IIs - very fresh, annimated sound. Alex Cozac in Israel gets them for a good price and loves them. Most of all, this is one project your Nak can get it's teeth into. As for border economics....hilarious stuff. Makes the mind spin. And that's without export subsidies to make things even crazier - just small time traders. A good 2006 to you all Naktalkers as well. Marc >>> msyoder at border.net 1/6/2006 9:51:39 PM >>> OK, my latest new year's resolution (besides composing at least 3 solo bass etudes this year) is to tape my favourite LPs for backup purposes as I listen to them. I started last night, and used Sony UX and UX-Pro cassettes. The UX were "assembled in Mexico of components made in Japan and USA", and the UX-Pro were "made in Mexico." I had bought a few of these last summer but had not yet used them in the Nakamichi DR-3, which is the machine set up in my living room hi-fi (with Rega P3, Rega Mira 3, Arcam CD73, Focal-JMLab Cobalt 806 speakers). The results were stunning! The imaging is perfect, the detail is perfect. Doing an A-B comparison, about the only tiny difference I may have heard is that the taped version might be slightly more controlled in the bass with the UX-Pro. I could tell no difference at all with the UX. OK, so today I went back to Liverpool, the store where I had bought those tapes, to see if they had more. They were out of the UX, but had the UX-Pro. They're 69 cents each for C-60 and 79 cents each for C-90. I bought a total of 35 Sony tapes. In addition, the store had one 3-pack remaining of Fuji Z-II 90's for $2.98, so I got that. I haven't used those yet . In fact, I've never heard of that tape, but have had great luck with other Fuji chrome tapes in the past, so I decided to try them. Did I get a good deal? Anyway, Liverpool is a strange store that sells all kinds of consumer electronics, many of which look discontinued, at amazingly cheap prices. Laredo is on the Texas-Mexico border, and downtown Laredo has tons of merchants who sell everything from shoes to jewelry to perfume to party supplies to cheap electronics, both wholesale and retail ("mayoreo-menudeo"), but mostly small-scale wholesaling to people who take the goods into Mexico and re-sell them. The owner, from Uruguay, tells me that he procures the Sony tapes and sells quite a few because in Latin America they still use cassettes. How ironic that tapes made in Mexico are brought into the US and resold to Mexican buyers who then take them back into Mexico! Anyway, what an interesting way to get me using my DR-3 much more! Happy new year to all. Michael Yoder http://www.ambientjazzduo.8m.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. 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If you like this tonal presentation, then choose tapes formulated to deliver it when you get into recording. I look forward to hearing your expereinces with your first few compliations. Cheers - Marc >>> alexcozac at hotmail.com 1/7/2006 1:25:46 PM >>> Dear Ian! You wrote...! Please remind; me what I promised you? Cheers, ALEX! >From: earthrite at gn.apc.org >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Digression to record Decks and any NAK will make you >grin for joy if you havent had one. >Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 22:37:26 +0000 > > Bala wrote: > The 600 is another deck which will delight analogue lovers and old >timers who focus more on the midrange and warmth of the human voice. >Despite having heard much newer decks, I've yet to excited as much the way >decks of the late 70s (like the original tri-tracer, ZXL series, 6XXZX >series and 600) have. In vinyl parlance, the newer decks would like a Rega >Planar 3 with a Linn cart-beautiful and trouble free. But who would turn >away from a Thorens TD124/II, SME 3012/II and a Ikeda moving coil cart? > >Bala > >Yum yum bala ....... I have a Linn LP 12 and associated Ittok arm and the >Ortofon vms30 we spoke about a month back...... but Im about to receive my >brothers Garrard 401 and SME3012/ii ....... sadly with his Shure M75ed >still in it ........ he never uses it and hasnt for possible 15 years so i >asked on Christmass day and he said sure come and get it. A lot easier to >set up than the Linn ...... but ugh what a plinth its in and no hinged lid >........ however I'll probably just miss out on that as they are a sonic >disaster and the 401 is such an icon of a design as well as being >interesting .... > >Leo Kotke made it here too i met him when he played at Uni and we all had a >couple of his album and John Fahey too. > >re Newbie wants a Nak .... as you know I just had the good fortune to turn >a $10 ebay 481 into a deck that B&W feel is certainly good for 10 years and >maybe much longer ..... barring belts all for the price of a service and >guarentee. > >Its from 1981 for heaven sake ....... and puts my record deck to shame and >thats some £2000 of stuff at my last reckoning and it sounds as good as the >various cd players I have to use. I could I suppose have spent 200 on >buying a newer deck maybe needing less work but a service on them would >also cost 200 pounds on top ..... so my view is buy any deck you like >...... if it works good then alleleulia but if not just get it serviced and >know you have a cassette deck that is likely to be as good as it ever could >be afterwards AND will stun anyone who knows how to listen to quality and >will IMHO do the grin thing for you, that Alex ( I think ) promised me it >would. > >These decks are so good its a shame not to have had one for 20 years. > >Im still wondering what use to make of the bias control on my 481z is if >anyone can help > >peace > >Ian > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. 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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jan 7 20:14:23 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 19:14:23 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks In-Reply-To: <43BFEDFA.5020901@rcn.com> Message-ID: <00bd01c613be$917f7080$3ba987d9@oemcomputer> I rather fancy much of the Russ Andrews products are in the snake oil/Space Cadets category. In a weak moment I was persuaded to buy his "Silencer" product as I was getting annoyed with a nasty snap sound occurring every time my central heating boiler came on when I was playing my CD player. I can honestly say the "Silencer" made no difference whatsoever. I really wanted it to do so but it didn't! I have found SOME mains power conditioners can help clean up noise in the UK mains supply, BUT they can also have a detrimental effect, too. Ron will correct my bad science if I am wrong, but my take on it is that some of these power conditioners use banks of caps' to isolate the input of the supply to whatever else they do inside and the output. In so doing it seems to me that the amp is not always able to draw as much current from the mains supply as it needs to cope with dynamics of the music. Ditto those that use Xva2Xva transformers. Even so, I still use two power conditioners for most of my equipment as, to my ears, these particular pair do seem to give me a clearer sound from the equipment that I have. One of these is an early "audio" mains conditioner from a company that was originally created to produce radar (Radar Developments.) The other is a monster, having been designed and built by British Telecom for use with their more sensitive telephone switching equipment. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Ron > Sent: 07 January 2006 16:36 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete > decks > > > > Well, power line conditioners are, in most > cases, in the snake-oil/bird's-milk category. > If you have a power line problem, they *will* > fix it, albeit at ridiculously higher cost than > correcting the problem at the source. > >. > > -- Ron > > > > From flifton at mac.com Sat Jan 7 20:32:30 2006 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 11:32:30 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Power line issues In-Reply-To: <200601071823.k07INKUJ018494@zxe.naks.com> References: <200601071823.k07INKUJ018494@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <525EDB4E-882F-409C-A39B-236EA6D8CB14@mac.com> I agree with Ron wholeheartedly. Simply running a dedicated (on its own breaker) line will solve most problems for much less money than any power conditioner (albeit with fewer impressive blinking LED's). If you want to go a step further, run the line with an isolated ground (this is the circuit commonly used to wire computer power in machine rooms). It's easy to do (just run 12/3 and use the red wire for a second ground at the box), and provides a quieter and more reliable ground. For wire, I use 12awg Høm De Pot Rome-X cabling. For outlets, just buy the "heavy-duty" or "contractor" grade ones, the cheapie ($.89) ones are mostly plastic and tend to crack. The $2.00 contractor ones are much better. Sometimes there are good deals on multi-piece lots of receptacles on ebay. I recently won 8 hospital- grade receptacles for $18 shipped. Why hospital grade? So that when I sell my house, I can impress the prospective buyers who are impressed by such foolishness. That, however, is a real estate consideration, not an audio one. There, we just saved you enough to buy yourself a Dragon! cheers, Fred On Jan 7, 2006, at 10:23 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > > From: Ron > Date: January 7, 2006 8:36:10 AM PST > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak > cassete decks > Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > Well, power line conditioners are, in most > cases, in the snake-oil/bird's-milk category. > If you have a power line problem, they *will* > fix it, albeit at ridiculously higher cost than > correcting the problem at the source. > > Power line problems are often the result of old > or dilapidated wiring, connection boxes, outlets > and the like. Replacing or repairing these is a > better solution. > > A few years ago I got tired of the turntable > cutting out whenever the air conditioner > or refrigerator switched in. Since I was > revamping the system anyway, I ran a dedicated > power line from a dedicated circuit breaker to > the A/V system. Since then, bliss... Cost, BTW, > was a fraction of a Monster line conditioner... > > The same approach works with regard to many > (most? all?) tweaks. What you want is solid > engineering solutions to real problem, not > gimmicks designed to separate you from your > hard earned cash. Speaker cables should be > adequate to the task, as should be the > interconnects, but $1000 wires are a joke > (on the consumer). > > With any tweak, apply the sanity check. Ask, > first, do the claims make technical sense? If > invited to listen, remember that listening > tests are useless unless blind (double blind > is better). If unsure, ask an engineer or > physicist. > > Second, ask what is it in the tweak that justifies > it's cost. Why does the esoteric line cord cost > $600? If it costs too much, it's probably bogus. > > Just my 2.5 cents... > > -- Ron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rob at rhoag.com Sat Jan 7 22:27:57 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 13:27:57 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Power line issues In-Reply-To: <525EDB4E-882F-409C-A39B-236EA6D8CB14@mac.com> Message-ID: Well said, Fred. I just want to add: Be sure you know what you're doing... AC is DEADLY. Turn off things inside, then turn off your main breaker before you take the panel off, etc. Only use ONE ground point, the one in your box, don'tg start creating new ground points on faucet pipes, etc. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Fred Lifton Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 11:33 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Power line issues I agree with Ron wholeheartedly. Simply running a dedicated (on its own breaker) line will solve most problems for much less money than any power conditioner (albeit with fewer impressive blinking LED's). If you want to go a step further, run the line with an isolated ground (this is the circuit commonly used to wire computer power in machine rooms). It's easy to do (just run 12/3 and use the red wire for a second ground at the box), and provides a quieter and more reliable ground. For wire, I use 12awg Høm De Pot Rome-X cabling. For outlets, just buy the "heavy-duty" or "contractor" grade ones, the cheapie ($.89) ones are mostly plastic and tend to crack. The $2.00 contractor ones are much better. Sometimes there are good deals on multi-piece lots of receptacles on ebay. I recently won 8 hospital-grade receptacles for $18 shipped. Why hospital grade? So that when I sell my house, I can impress the prospective buyers who are impressed by such foolishness. That, however, is a real estate consideration, not an audio one. There, we just saved you enough to buy yourself a Dragon! cheers, Fred On Jan 7, 2006, at 10:23 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: From: Ron Date: January 7, 2006 8:36:10 AM PST To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Well, power line conditioners are, in most cases, in the snake-oil/bird's-milk category. If you have a power line problem, they *will* fix it, albeit at ridiculously higher cost than correcting the problem at the source. Power line problems are often the result of old or dilapidated wiring, connection boxes, outlets and the like. Replacing or repairing these is a better solution. A few years ago I got tired of the turntable cutting out whenever the air conditioner or refrigerator switched in. Since I was revamping the system anyway, I ran a dedicated power line from a dedicated circuit breaker to the A/V system. Since then, bliss... Cost, BTW, was a fraction of a Monster line conditioner... The same approach works with regard to many (most? all?) tweaks. What you want is solid engineering solutions to real problem, not gimmicks designed to separate you from your hard earned cash. Speaker cables should be adequate to the task, as should be the interconnects, but $1000 wires are a joke (on the consumer). With any tweak, apply the sanity check. Ask, first, do the claims make technical sense? If invited to listen, remember that listening tests are useless unless blind (double blind is better). If unsure, ask an engineer or physicist. Second, ask what is it in the tweak that justifies it's cost. Why does the esoteric line cord cost $600? If it costs too much, it's probably bogus. Just my 2.5 cents... -- Ron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Jan 7 22:40:32 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 16:40:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Power line issues In-Reply-To: <525EDB4E-882F-409C-A39B-236EA6D8CB14@mac.com> References: <200601071823.k07INKUJ018494@zxe.naks.com> <525EDB4E-882F-409C-A39B-236EA6D8CB14@mac.com> Message-ID: <43C03550.9070404@rcn.com> Fred Lifton wrote: > I agree with Ron wholeheartedly. Simply running a dedicated (on its own > breaker) line will solve most problems for much less money than any > power conditioner (albeit with fewer impressive blinking LED's). > > If you want to go a step further, run the line with an isolated ground > (this is the circuit commonly used to wire computer power in machine > rooms). It's easy to do (just run 12/3 and use the red wire for a second > ground at the box), and provides a quieter and more reliable ground. For > wire, I use 12awg Høm De Pot Rome-X cabling. For outlets, just buy the > "heavy-duty" or "contractor" grade ones, the cheapie ($.89) ones are > mostly plastic and tend to crack. The $2.00 contractor ones are much > better. Sometimes there are good deals on multi-piece lots of > receptacles on ebay. I recently won 8 hospital-grade receptacles for $18 > shipped. Why hospital grade? So that when I sell my house, I can impress > the prospective buyers who are impressed by such foolishness. That, > however, is a real estate consideration, not an audio one. Fred, Graham, I didn't go into that much details in my post, but, yes, I did do most of what you are suggesting. I didn't do an isolated ground (I'm willing to defend that choice) and preferred shrouded 12AWG wire to standard Romex, as I wanted to reduce the electric fields around the system. I used a 20A industrial grade outlet, that feeds the A/V system power distribution through a hefty 12AWG cord, terminated in a heftier 20A industrial plug. These feed a bank of standard 79 cent 15A outlets mounted on the rear of the equipment towers. No outlets carries more than 2 or 3 amps in normal operation (the power amp outlets could carry up to 9 amps each at full power, but the speakers are sure to blow well before the outlets). The outlets are controlled by several 30A relays, controlled, in turn, by the preamp, that are fired in succession as the preamp turns on, with 1, 2, and 3 second delays. The power amps are powered last, preventing any turn-on transients from reaching the speakers. The power amps are mounted on the house foundation in the garage. Each has it's own fan, pointing at the heat sinks. The A/V system is located directly above, in the family room. This results in all leads to the power amps about 4 ft. longer -- well worth the removal of fan noise from the listening area. As you see, while I do not believe in 'tweaks', I do subscribe to solid engineering practices and don't mind an occasional *reasonable* overkill. -- Ron > > There, we just saved you enough to buy yourself a Dragon! > > cheers, > Fred > > On Jan 7, 2006, at 10:23 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com > wrote: > >> ** >> >> *From: *Ron > >> >> *Date: *January 7, 2006 8:36:10 AM PST >> >> *To: *Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >> >> *Subject: **Re: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak >> cassete decks* >> >> *Reply-To: *ra.ah at rcn.com , Talk about Nakamichi >> Cassette Decks > >> >> >> >> >> Well, power line conditioners are, in most >> >> cases, in the snake-oil/bird's-milk category. >> >> If you have a power line problem, they *will* >> >> fix it, albeit at ridiculously higher cost than >> >> correcting the problem at the source. >> >> >> Power line problems are often the result of old >> >> or dilapidated wiring, connection boxes, outlets >> >> and the like. Replacing or repairing these is a >> >> better solution. >> >> >> A few years ago I got tired of the turntable >> >> cutting out whenever the air conditioner >> >> or refrigerator switched in. Since I was >> >> revamping the system anyway, I ran a dedicated >> >> power line from a dedicated circuit breaker to >> >> the A/V system. Since then, bliss... Cost, BTW, >> >> was a fraction of a Monster line conditioner... >> >> >> The same approach works with regard to many >> >> (most? all?) tweaks. What you want is solid >> >> engineering solutions to real problem, not >> >> gimmicks designed to separate you from your >> >> hard earned cash. Speaker cables should be >> >> adequate to the task, as should be the >> >> interconnects, but $1000 wires are a joke >> >> (on the consumer). >> >> >> With any tweak, apply the sanity check. Ask, >> >> first, do the claims make technical sense? If >> >> invited to listen, remember that listening >> >> tests are useless unless blind (double blind >> >> is better). If unsure, ask an engineer or >> >> physicist. >> >> >> Second, ask what is it in the tweak that justifies >> >> it's cost. Why does the esoteric line cord cost >> >> $600? If it costs too much, it's probably bogus. >> >> >> Just my 2.5 cents... >> >> >> -- Ron From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Jan 7 22:58:55 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 15:58:55 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks In-Reply-To: <43BFEDFA.5020901@rcn.com> References: <200601051100.k05B04CM007218@zxe.naks.com> <891B5D3C-F3DE-4E3B-8EFC-9BEAF57305D7@mac.com> <43BEFEBD.70901@lineone.net> <43BFEDFA.5020901@rcn.com> Message-ID: <43C0399F.2010108@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Ron, Ron wrote: > > Well, power line conditioners are, in most > cases, in the snake-oil/bird's-milk category. > If you have a power line problem, they *will* > fix it, albeit at ridiculously higher cost than > correcting the problem at the source. ... > ... With any tweak, apply the sanity check. Ask, > first, do the claims make technical sense? If > invited to listen, remember that listening > tests are useless unless blind (double blind > is better). If unsure, ask an engineer or > physicist. > ... > Second, ask what is it in the tweak that justifies > it's cost. Why does the esoteric line cord cost > $600? If it costs too much, it's probably bogus. Right on, Ron! If you live in an apartment, or do not want to rewire anything, then with a bit of ingenuity anyone can make an effective power supply filter using AC filter parts (an AC RF intereferencefilter module mounted in an IEC AC connector like those made by Corcom) from sources like Mouser, Digi-Key or MCM Electronics, or Farnell. Simply get one of the AC line RFI filter modules, a good small metal project box, and whatever AC outlet and plug your conuntry uses, a few inches of 16-gauge wire, and for under $50.00 USD you have an excellent power supply filter. > Just my 2.5 cents... Which will save hundreds of dollars/pounds. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From shorty at nznet.gen.nz Sat Jan 7 23:00:32 2006 From: shorty at nznet.gen.nz (Martin Short) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 11:00:32 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] New to Naktalk-Help with Nak 600 (Ross Kiely) Message-ID: <003401c613d5$c7b00040$0201a8c0@lan> Ross, While I am no expert on these things, with regards to your 'new' 600 just stopping intermittently, I have had (have) the same problem with both my 600 and 600II. In both my cases, the fault appeared to be the same. The autostop mechanism is controlled by a magnet attached to the base of the tape counter op shaft, driven by a belt off the take up spool. This drive belt is getting tired and slipping, hence the autostop thinks the deck has stopped and shuts off.. a real pain if in the middle of recording!. I haven't attempted to replace either belt as yet.. it doesn't look to be an easy job for an amateur like me, and also I haven't located a suitable replacement as yet either. However I have cleaned the belt with some improvement: A couple of things you can try, individually, or both together: 1) try cleaning this belt with IPA, or if the belt is quite glazed, then use MEK sparingly to take off the glaze. If you used MEK, give the belt some time to recover before using the deck as MEK will swell the rubber if used excessively. 2) If the belt also appears a bit stretched or loose, try putting a twist or two in it, to shorten it slightly.. an old trick we used to use for getting more life out of old turntable belts until we could source a replacement.. and also works wonders on tired mode control belts in the standard Nak mechanism :o).. If this doesn't bring about some improvement, then the problem may be more serious. cheers, Martin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sat Jan 7 23:15:33 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 16:15:33 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] New to Naktalk-Help with Nak 600 In-Reply-To: <6e1618b40601062137t262ba7ccpfa8df4b76094e954@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e1618b40601062137t262ba7ccpfa8df4b76094e954@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43C03D85.40302@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Ross, Ross Kiely wrote: > Hi everyone!! Just found this site while looking at a Nak on e-bay. I > have owned a Nak 600 since it came on the market! Excellent! A fellow 600 owner! These decks are so cool. > Over the years it has > served me well. It has mostly been trouble free except twice over the > years, with Both times the problem being with the Control push keys not > engaging the Record Mode.Sometimes they would not even engage it in Play > mode. Had it fixed both times by Nak Tech. but alas there are not too > many around now in my area, and the same problem has arisen again! When this has happened with mine, a common woe with the 600, the problem has been that a little plastic pin has broken off of the white plastic plate that slides back-n-forth as you press keys. The best solution is to remove the plastic plate, drill a hole where the pin broke off, then put a small screw (without the head) or a metal pin the same diameter and length (measured beyond the side of the plastic plate) epoxied in place. The problem will never recur. There is a small brass thing that swings down from the metal slider (shown in the manual, albeit not clearly) that the pin passes through an oval slot in the part. This swinging part won't be in the right place when the pin breaks. This is what is keeping your keys from locking. I can talk you through this procedure off-list if you need the assistance. Gotta keep these 600s running! They're just too good to let die. > Just > purchased a Used 600 from Ebay yesterday for$35.00. The owner said that > it was working fine, then while in Play,just stopped. so he decided to > sell it for parts. etc. Maybe between the two, I can get one or both > working again. Also purchasing a Service Manual from E-bay for the 600. > Will see what I can do! Sorry if I rambeld on too much. Will keep it > shorter in the future. Any suggestions or ideas will be welcomed. Thanks Ramble on! We enjoy it! We also ramble on! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From david.edwards58 at virgin.net Sun Jan 8 01:08:47 2006 From: david.edwards58 at virgin.net (David Edwards) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 00:08:47 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Happy Christmas Message-ID: <000401c613e7$b2a74e80$2e1bd255@homeduron1300> Hi All, I had intended to send in this link in December but delayed because I couldn't afford to buy the tapes I wanted at the time. Anyway I have done so now and throw open to the world this well kept secret. Stanley productions are UK based and seem to have copious quantities of cassettes like Quantigy 472, Fuji MZ metal 60 mins (cheaper in multiples of 100 it says on the site), TDK MA50, and SAX 100's plus all the usual ones. They may not send 'overseas' but at least UK buyers can benefit. I'm not sure how to put a link in an email but try 'stanleysonline' in google or put www.stanleysonline.co.uk in the address bar, and see what happens. Happy buying. David From rob at rhoag.com Sun Jan 8 02:24:46 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 17:24:46 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Happy Christmas In-Reply-To: <000401c613e7$b2a74e80$2e1bd255@homeduron1300> Message-ID: Here's a really good deal on TDK SA-90 US$1.36 each for 1-5 and cheaper for more http://www.tapecenter.com/tapecenter/blanaudtap.html They also have Maxell XLII90 for US$1.19 ea TDK SA_X90 CAD$2.93 EURO $2.07 http://www.clicshop.com/Stores/qualitaspro/c30954p101674.2.html Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of David Edwards Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 4:09 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Happy Christmas Hi All, I had intended to send in this link in December but delayed because I couldn't afford to buy the tapes I wanted at the time. Anyway I have done so now and throw open to the world this well kept secret. Stanley productions are UK based and seem to have copious quantities of cassettes like Quantigy 472, Fuji MZ metal 60 mins (cheaper in multiples of 100 it says on the site), TDK MA50, and SAX 100's plus all the usual ones. They may not send 'overseas' but at least UK buyers can benefit. I'm not sure how to put a link in an email but try 'stanleysonline' in google or put www.stanleysonline.co.uk in the address bar, and see what happens. Happy buying. David ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Jan 8 03:55:04 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 02:55:04 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Best Head Cleaner? Message-ID: Hi Mark! Per example..., as happen to me here in Israel, exist a representative from such factory, however he import ONLY a can of 5 US gallons...such quantity it's "Insane"...so I continue cleaning with alcohol, cotton "Q Tip". barely damped. and after with an a dry one...my Dragon a year & half...continue working! Greetings, ALEX! >From: "Mark Caton" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: , "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >Decks'" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Best Head Cleaner? >Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 16:24:28 -0000 > >Hmm, that Cleaner looks good. > >Anyone know if it's available outside the US? (e.g. UK). > >Regards, > >Mark > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >Of Kermit V. Gray >Sent: 06 January 2006 19:49 >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Best Head Cleaner? > >Hi Mike, > >Mike Douglas wrote: > > Thanks for all the replies on maximizing tape performance. Any > > recommendation for the best head cleaner? I'd like to get the best > > possible one I can get for use on a CR-7E, in case it might subjectively > > vary from deck to deck. -Mike > >I'd heartly recommend only HREF="http://www.usrecordingmedia.com/profs7headgu.html">American >Recorder S-721H Head/pinch roller cleaner. > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >http://www.woods-and-waters.com >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Jan 8 04:01:25 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 03:01:25 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Simple calibration (Or how to use bias control) Message-ID: Bravo...Mark...an a Super Wise advice & an a very good and cheap one also...God will Bless you...Ever! Cheers, ALEX! >From: Marc Stager >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Simple calibration (Or how to use bias control) >Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 13:12:49 -0500 > >Use the bias control to adjust for the most accurate sound. > >Cheap and simple calibration: > >First make sure the heads are properly azimuth-aligned. > >Very important: >BE VERY CAREFUL NOT TO TOUCH THE HEAD HEIGHT CONTROLS. >You need a calibrated and very expensive jig to get these right. >Nakamichi should never have made these controls so easily >accessible. > >Make a note of where the trimmers are so you can return to that spot >if you don't get good results. I just put a little dot on the plastic >trimmers >with a Sharpie pen. > >Adjust for play head azimuth for best treble response from a high >quality pre-recorded tape with good highs. Easiest if you listen in >with Dolby OFF, and in MONO, which emphasizes phase differences. >Of course, a calibrated test cassette is best, but a good commercially >recorded tape is usually all you need. > >Set the deck up with: >Dolby off. >Set tape to EX for normal, SX for chrome (TDK SA, Maxell XL, etc), ZX for >metal tapes >Set EQ: 120 for normal, 70 for chrome or metal. > >Using your tuner for the source, switch it to mono and shut off the >muting, tune to a spot where you just get noise, at one end of the >dial or between station. > >Record at - 10 dB on the Nak meters. > >First, makes sure your record head azimuth is properly aligned by >adjusting it for best treble response using the record head azimuth >screw. Again, be careful not to touch the head height adjusters. >Set the amplifier on mono. It helps if you turn up the treble. > >After you've got the heads aligned, then... > >Listening off the play head, (tape monitor ON on you preamp) >do one side at a time, adjusting the bias control for the least >difference in sound between the input and output as you flip >between the tape and source switch. Not too much treble, not >too little. They should sound the same. > >If you have a record level control, once you find the optimal bias point, >trim it so the levels match. Some models can do this automatically. > >Check that the results are also good with Dolby ON. There should >be no difference in the sound of FM noise - or music, except you'll >lose most of the tape hiss you would normally hear on quiet passages. > >____________ Marc Stager >Stager Sound Systems >http://marc.stager.com/ > >-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:- >>I'm still wondering what use to make of the bias >>control on my 481z is if anyone can help >>peace >>Ian > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Jan 8 04:11:03 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 03:11:03 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Power line issues Message-ID: Hi Fred! You wrote...,>I recently won 8 hospital-grade receptacles for $18 shipped. Why hospital grade? So that when I sell my house, I can impress the prospective buyers who are impressed by such foolishness. That, however, is a real estate consideration, not an audio one.< BTW...also makes much better contact when you plug any stereo gear....leave behing "Cosmetics"! Be well, ALEX! >From: Fred Lifton >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Power line issues >Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 11:32:30 -0800 > >I agree with Ron wholeheartedly. Simply running a dedicated (on its own >breaker) line will solve most problems for much less money than any power >conditioner (albeit with fewer impressive blinking LED's). > >If you want to go a step further, run the line with an isolated ground >(this is the circuit commonly used to wire computer power in machine >rooms). It's easy to do (just run 12/3 and use the red wire for a second >ground at the box), and provides a quieter and more reliable ground. For >wire, I use 12awg H�m De Pot Rome-X cabling. For outlets, just buy the >"heavy-duty" or "contractor" grade ones, the cheapie ($.89) ones are >mostly plastic and tend to crack. The $2.00 contractor ones are much >better. Sometimes there are good deals on multi-piece lots of receptacles >on ebay. I recently won 8 hospital- grade receptacles for $18 shipped. Why >hospital grade? So that when I sell my house, I can impress the >prospective buyers who are impressed by such foolishness. That, however, >is a real estate consideration, not an audio one. > >There, we just saved you enough to buy yourself a Dragon! > >cheers, >Fred > >On Jan 7, 2006, at 10:23 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > >> >>From: Ron >>Date: January 7, 2006 8:36:10 AM PST >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete >>decks >>Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> >> >> >> >>Well, power line conditioners are, in most >>cases, in the snake-oil/bird's-milk category. >>If you have a power line problem, they *will* >>fix it, albeit at ridiculously higher cost than >>correcting the problem at the source. >> >>Power line problems are often the result of old >>or dilapidated wiring, connection boxes, outlets >>and the like. Replacing or repairing these is a >>better solution. >> >>A few years ago I got tired of the turntable >>cutting out whenever the air conditioner >>or refrigerator switched in. Since I was >>revamping the system anyway, I ran a dedicated >>power line from a dedicated circuit breaker to >>the A/V system. Since then, bliss... Cost, BTW, >>was a fraction of a Monster line conditioner... >> >>The same approach works with regard to many >>(most? all?) tweaks. What you want is solid >>engineering solutions to real problem, not >>gimmicks designed to separate you from your >>hard earned cash. Speaker cables should be >>adequate to the task, as should be the >>interconnects, but $1000 wires are a joke >>(on the consumer). >> >>With any tweak, apply the sanity check. Ask, >>first, do the claims make technical sense? If >>invited to listen, remember that listening >>tests are useless unless blind (double blind >>is better). If unsure, ask an engineer or >>physicist. >> >>Second, ask what is it in the tweak that justifies >>it's cost. Why does the esoteric line cord cost >>$600? If it costs too much, it's probably bogus. >> >>Just my 2.5 cents... >> >>-- Ron > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Jan 8 04:22:06 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 03:22:06 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassette decks Message-ID: Hi Gra'! You wrote..., >One of these is an early "audio" mains conditioner from a company that was originally created to produce radar (Radar Developments.)> BTW...I ordered, from them...sent the payment trough my bank account, they received the money (My bank certificate that there in UK...the money was taken; but...NEVER...NEVER I get the product! Happens at least 15 or more years...after a while I read that the "Factory" close their business! Only as an curiosity history...! Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete decks >Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 19:14:23 -0000 > >I rather fancy much of the Russ Andrews products are in the snake oil/Space >Cadets category. In a weak moment I was persuaded to buy his "Silencer" >product as I was getting annoyed with a nasty snap sound occurring every >time my central heating boiler came on when I was playing my CD player. I >can honestly say the "Silencer" made no difference whatsoever. I really >wanted it to do so but it didn't! > >I have found SOME mains power conditioners can help clean up noise in the >UK >mains supply, BUT they can also have a detrimental effect, too. Ron will >correct my bad science if I am wrong, but my take on it is that some of >these power conditioners use banks of caps' to isolate the input of the >supply to whatever else they do inside and the output. In so doing it >seems >to me that the amp is not always able to draw as much current from the >mains >supply as it needs to cope with dynamics of the music. Ditto those that >use Xva2Xva transformers. Even so, I still use two power conditioners for >most of my equipment as, to my ears, these particular pair do seem to give >me a clearer sound from the equipment that I have. One of these is an >early >"audio" mains conditioner from a company that was originally created to >produce radar (Radar Developments.) The other is a monster, having been >designed and built by British Telecom for use with their more sensitive >telephone switching equipment. > >Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Ron > > Sent: 07 January 2006 16:36 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassete > > decks > > > > > > > > Well, power line conditioners are, in most > > cases, in the snake-oil/bird's-milk category. > > If you have a power line problem, they *will* > > fix it, albeit at ridiculously higher cost than > > correcting the problem at the source. > > > >. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bg56322 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 8 01:18:48 2006 From: bg56322 at yahoo.com (Bob Petrovich) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 16:18:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Tape dubbing In-Reply-To: <200601071034.k07AXxRE017200@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <20060108001848.95683.qmail@web51313.mail.yahoo.com> What is the proper procedure when dubbing tapes? 1) set output on a playback deck to maximum, adjust recording volume on recording deck. 2) set output on a playback deck to approx. 50% and adjust the recording volume on recording deck 3) set recording level to maximum and adjust playback level to low level sufficient enough. Does it make any difference since in all three instances recording deck VU meters show the same level? I tend to use #1 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rossnkiely at gmail.com Sun Jan 8 05:09:17 2006 From: rossnkiely at gmail.com (Ross Kiely) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 23:09:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] New to Naktalk-Help with Nak 600 In-Reply-To: <43C03D85.40302@woods-and-waters.com> References: <6e1618b40601062137t262ba7ccpfa8df4b76094e954@mail.gmail.com> <43C03D85.40302@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <6e1618b40601072009k65a6b7aep9bff8504fc50119a@mail.gmail.com> Thanks Kermit. It seemed to take awhile for my first post to appear and I kept checking to see if I had made a mistake or something. Glad to see it made it! Thank you for the Detailed instructions! I vaguely remember many years ago a Tech. who was repairing my 600 trying to explain the failure reason. You description brought it back home. As I mentioned, I bought another 600 deck the other day from E-bay with what sounds, a similar problem. I am waiting on it to arrive and also the Service Manual I got also from e-bay Before I start trying to repair! Will keep the list informed of my progress! Ross. On 1/7/06, Kermit V. Gray wrote: > > Hi Ross, > > Ross Kiely wrote: > > Hi everyone!! Just found this site while looking at a Nak on e-bay. I > > have owned a Nak 600 since it came on the market! > > Excellent! A fellow 600 owner! These decks are so cool. > > > Over the years it has > > served me well. It has mostly been trouble free except twice over the > > years, with Both times the problem being with the Control push keys not > > engaging the Record Mode.Sometimes they would not even engage it in Play > > mode. Had it fixed both times by Nak Tech. but alas there are not too > > many around now in my area, and the same problem has arisen again! > > When this has happened with mine, a common woe with the 600, the problem > has been that a little plastic pin has broken off of the white plastic > plate that slides back-n-forth as you press keys. > > > The best solution is to remove the plastic plate, drill a hole where the > pin broke off, then put a small screw (without the head) or a metal pin > the same diameter and length (measured beyond the side of the plastic > plate) epoxied in place. The problem will never recur. There is a small > brass thing that swings down from the metal slider (shown in the manual, > albeit not clearly) that the pin passes through an oval slot in the > part. This swinging part won't be in the right place when the pin > breaks. This is what is keeping your keys from locking. > > I can talk you through this procedure off-list if you need the > assistance. Gotta keep these 600s running! They're just too good to let > die. > > > Just > > purchased a Used 600 from Ebay yesterday for$35.00. The owner said that > > it was working fine, then while in Play,just stopped. so he decided to > > sell it for parts. etc. Maybe between the two, I can get one or both > > working again. Also purchasing a Service Manual from E-bay for the 600. > > Will see what I can do! Sorry if I rambeld on too much. Will keep it > > shorter in the future. Any suggestions or ideas will be welcomed. Thanks > > Ramble on! We enjoy it! We also ramble on! > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Ross Kiely-Sound/Lighting Danforth Community Church Toronto, Ontario,Canada. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From msyoder at border.net Sun Jan 8 06:08:28 2006 From: msyoder at border.net (Yoder Michael) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 23:08:28 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Sony tape and DR-3 In-Reply-To: <200601072045.k07KjVls018974@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi Marc, Yes, the Tascams (112 MkII and 122 MkIII) and the Sony KA3ES are in my studio. Interestingly, I just heard from a drummer friend of mine who was in town a couple weeks ago to do some taping, along with my regular trumpet player and myself, of some of my jazz compositions. He then played the CD copies for his parents, two professional musicians up in Dallas, a composer/pianist/teacher and an opera singer/teacher. Apparently he begged them against their wishes to divulge their honest appraisal of the CDs, and one of the things they said they were most impressed with was the engineering of the session. Well, that was done on the Sony cassette recorder. He said they were stunned to learn that. The recording sessions were quite simple: I used a Mackie 1202 VLZ pro mixer. The electronic drum kit and the bass were recorded direct, and the trumpet was recorded with a Shure SM58 mic. I used a wee bit of reverb in the mix (Zoom RFX-300), and I used TDK SA60 and SA90 tape. I have found this overall setup to be the best way to capture a human sounding performance live in the studio. I probably like the Tascam 122 MkIII a tad better, but the Sony is certainly great. Alex Cozac's enthusiasm for the Fuji ZII tapes has piqued my curiosity, and I will use those that I recently bought for the next group recording session. I want to thank Alex for his comments. Cheers to all! Michael Yoder On Saturday, January 7, 2006, at 02:45 PM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > > Hi Michael, > > Great post!! I guess your Tascam and Sony are in the studio and they > get all the attention!! I must agree, I have had plenty of > satisfaction from the Mexican UX-S - and will look out for the UX Pro. > Did you get a good deal? Definitely - excellent in fact. As for the > Fuji ZIIs - they are terrific type IIs - very fresh, annimated sound. > Alex Cozac in Israel gets them for a good price and loves them. Most > of all, this is one project your Nak can get it's teeth into. > > A good 2006 to you all Naktalkers as well. > > Marc From rossnkiely at gmail.com Sun Jan 8 06:13:37 2006 From: rossnkiely at gmail.com (Ross Kiely) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 00:13:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] New to Naktalk-Help with Nak 600 (Ross Kiely) In-Reply-To: <003401c613d5$c7b00040$0201a8c0@lan> References: <003401c613d5$c7b00040$0201a8c0@lan> Message-ID: <6e1618b40601072113i77733a3esebdb20de8ea3b382@mail.gmail.com> Thanks Martin. Just read a similar fix/cure on a Lieberman Electronics web site,I think it was, which mentioned the belt as a possible reason for a transport to suddenly slow down or even stop while engaged. A replacement runs around $10.00. Ross. On 1/7/06, Martin Short wrote: > > Ross, > > While I am no expert on these things, with regards to your 'new' 600 just > stopping intermittently, I have had (have) the same problem with both my 600 > and 600II. > In both my cases, the fault appeared to be the same. The autostop > mechanism is controlled by a magnet attached to the base of the tape > counter op shaft, driven by a belt off the take up spool. This drive belt is > getting tired and slipping, hence the autostop thinks the deck has stopped > and shuts off.. a real pain if in the middle of recording!. > I haven't attempted to replace either belt as yet.. it doesn't look to be > an easy job for an amateur like me, and also I haven't located a suitable > replacement as yet either. However I have cleaned the belt with some > improvement: A couple of things you can try, individually, or both > together: > > 1) try cleaning this belt with IPA, or if the belt is quite glazed, then > use MEK sparingly to take off the glaze. If you used MEK, give the belt some > time to recover before using the deck as MEK will swell the rubber if used > excessively. > 2) If the belt also appears a bit stretched or loose, try putting a twist > or two in it, to shorten it slightly.. an old trick we used to use for > getting more life out of old turntable belts until we could source a > replacement.. and also works wonders on tired mode control belts in the > standard Nak mechanism :o).. > > If this doesn't bring about some improvement, then the problem may be more > serious. > cheers, > > Martin > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -- Ross Kiely-Sound/Lighting Danforth Community Church Toronto, Ontario,Canada. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Jan 8 12:28:32 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 11:28:32 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassette decks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <012101c61446$a8499a60$3ba987d9@oemcomputer> Hi Alex Yes, I think they went into Receivership, in which case their bank would have got your money! Bank's get first take on a company's assets. At the time I bought a three types of their products - the mains purifier, three of their "virtual batteries" (they worked very well with my old Aiwa cassette deck, giving the speeds much needed stability) and a pair of shielded figure eight mains leads. Which product did you order? Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > Sent: 08 January 2006 03:22 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassette > decks > > > Hi Gra'! > > You wrote..., >One of these is an early > "audio" mains conditioner from a company that was originally created to > produce radar (Radar Developments.)> > > BTW...I ordered, from them...sent the payment trough my bank > account, they > received the money (My bank certificate that there in UK...the money was > taken; but...NEVER...NEVER I get the product! > > Happens at least 15 or more years...after a while I read that the > "Factory" > close their business! > > Only as an curiosity history...! > > Cheers, > > ALEX! > > > > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Jan 8 13:09:36 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 12:09:36 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Sony tape and DR-3 Message-ID: My dear Michael! You wrote! >Alex Cozac's enthusiasm for the Fuji ZII tapes has piqued my >curiosity, and I will use those that I recently bought for the next group >recording session. I want to thank Alex for his comments.< It's OK...be my most heart fully guest! Enjoy them, ALEX! >From: Yoder Michael >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Sony tape and DR-3 >Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 23:08:28 -0600 > >Hi Marc, > >Yes, the Tascams (112 MkII and 122 MkIII) and the Sony KA3ES are in my >studio. Interestingly, I just heard from a drummer friend of mine who was >in town a couple weeks ago to do some taping, along with my regular trumpet >player and myself, of some of my jazz compositions. He then played the CD >copies for his parents, two professional musicians up in Dallas, a >composer/pianist/teacher and an opera singer/teacher. Apparently he >begged them against their wishes to divulge their honest appraisal of the >CDs, and one of the things they said they were most impressed with was the >engineering of the session. Well, that was done on the Sony cassette >recorder. He said they were stunned to learn that. > >The recording sessions were quite simple: I used a Mackie 1202 VLZ pro >mixer. The electronic drum kit and the bass were recorded direct, and the >trumpet was recorded with a Shure SM58 mic. I used a wee bit of reverb in >the mix (Zoom RFX-300), and I used TDK SA60 and SA90 tape. I have found >this overall setup to be the best way to capture a human sounding >performance live in the studio. I probably like the Tascam 122 MkIII a tad >better, but the Sony is certainly great. > >Alex Cozac's enthusiasm for the Fuji ZII tapes has piqued my curiosity, and >I will use those that I recently bought for the next group recording >session. I want to thank Alex for his comments. > >Cheers to all! >Michael Yoder > > >On Saturday, January 7, 2006, at 02:45 PM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > >> >>Hi Michael, >> >>Great post!! I guess your Tascam and Sony are in the studio and they get >>all the attention!! I must agree, I have had plenty of satisfaction from >>the Mexican UX-S - and will look out for the UX Pro. Did you get a good >>deal? Definitely - excellent in fact. As for the Fuji ZIIs - they are >>terrific type IIs - very fresh, annimated sound. Alex Cozac in Israel >>gets them for a good price and loves them. Most of all, this is one >>project your Nak can get it's teeth into. >> >>A good 2006 to you all Naktalkers as well. >> >>Marc > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Jan 8 13:12:52 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 12:12:52 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassette decks Message-ID: Hi my dear Gra' The "Mains Purifier...never got it! Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassette >decks >Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 11:28:32 -0000 > >Hi Alex > >Yes, I think they went into Receivership, in which case their bank would >have got your money! Bank's get first take on a company's assets. At the >time I bought a three types of their products - the mains purifier, three >of >their "virtual batteries" (they worked very well with my old Aiwa cassette >deck, giving the speeds much needed stability) and a pair of shielded >figure >eight mains leads. > >Which product did you order? > >Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > > Sent: 08 January 2006 03:22 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Newbie would like advice about Nak cassette > > decks > > > > > > Hi Gra'! > > > > You wrote..., >One of these is an early > > "audio" mains conditioner from a company that was originally created to > > produce radar (Radar Developments.)> > > > > BTW...I ordered, from them...sent the payment trough my bank > > account, they > > received the money (My bank certificate that there in UK...the money was > > taken; but...NEVER...NEVER I get the product! > > > > Happens at least 15 or more years...after a while I read that the > > "Factory" > > close their business! > > > > Only as an curiosity history...! > > > > Cheers, > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Jan 8 15:27:33 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 09:27:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Tape dubbing In-Reply-To: <20060108001848.95683.qmail@web51313.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060108001848.95683.qmail@web51313.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43C12155.6010200@rcn.com> Depends on the decks involved. Essentially, the choice affects noise level getting into the recording. Choice #1 will minimize noise picked up in the interconnect but (slightly) maximize noise and distortion already present in the source. With choice #3, the reverse is true. Choice #2 is an in-between solution; doesn't necessarily have to be 50%, can be any position between #1 and #3. Ideal choice depends on the decks involved. Personally, I would use about 80%-90% PB output level with input recording level to match. -- Ron Bob Petrovich wrote: > What is the proper procedure when dubbing tapes? > > 1) set output on a playback deck to maximum, adjust recording volume on > recording deck. > > 2) set output on a playback deck to approx. 50% and adjust the > recording volume on recording deck > > > 3) set recording level to maximum and adjust playback level to low level > sufficient enough. > > Does it make any difference since in all three instances recording deck > VU meters show the same level? > > I tend to use #1 From mark.l.caton at btinternet.com Sun Jan 8 15:51:26 2006 From: mark.l.caton at btinternet.com (Mark Caton) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 14:51:26 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Best Head Cleaner? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200601081451.k08EpN6h018586@zxe.naks.com> Hi Alex, Well yes, 5 gallons might be a tad over the top. I will try searching in the UK, and there is a possibility of maybe importing a small quantity, but in the meantime I use the same procedure as you describe, with isopropyl alcohol. Mark -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Alex Cozac Sent: 08 January 2006 02:55 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Best Head Cleaner? Hi Mark! Per example..., as happen to me here in Israel, exist a representative from such factory, however he import ONLY a can of 5 US gallons...such quantity it's "Insane"...so I continue cleaning with alcohol, cotton "Q Tip". barely damped. and after with an a dry one...my Dragon a year & half...continue working! Greetings, ALEX! >From: "Mark Caton" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: , "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >Decks'" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Best Head Cleaner? >Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 16:24:28 -0000 > >Hmm, that Cleaner looks good. > >Anyone know if it's available outside the US? (e.g. UK). > >Regards, > >Mark > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >Of Kermit V. Gray >Sent: 06 January 2006 19:49 >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Best Head Cleaner? > >Hi Mike, > >Mike Douglas wrote: > > Thanks for all the replies on maximizing tape performance. Any > > recommendation for the best head cleaner? I'd like to get the best > > possible one I can get for use on a CR-7E, in case it might subjectively > > vary from deck to deck. -Mike > >I'd heartly recommend only HREF="http://www.usrecordingmedia.com/profs7headgu.html">American >Recorder S-721H Head/pinch roller cleaner. > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >http://www.woods-and-waters.com >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Jan 8 16:55:56 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 15:55:56 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Best Head Cleaner? Message-ID: Hi Mark! Yes the same type of alcohol, I use also..and works since I begun 30 years earlier, no problems till today! Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Mark Caton" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Best Head Cleaner? >Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 14:51:26 -0000 > >Hi Alex, > >Well yes, 5 gallons might be a tad over the top. > >I will try searching in the UK, and there is a possibility of maybe >importing a small quantity, but in the meantime I use the same procedure as >you describe, with isopropyl alcohol. > >Mark >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >Of Alex Cozac >Sent: 08 January 2006 02:55 >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Best Head Cleaner? > >Hi Mark! > >Per example..., as happen to me here in Israel, exist a representative from >such factory, however he import ONLY a can of 5 US gallons...such quantity >it's "Insane"...so I continue cleaning with alcohol, cotton "Q Tip". barely >damped. and after with an a dry one...my Dragon a year & half...continue >working! > >Greetings, > >ALEX! > > > > > > >From: "Mark Caton" > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: , "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette > >Decks'" > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Best Head Cleaner? > >Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 16:24:28 -0000 > > > >Hmm, that Cleaner looks good. > > > >Anyone know if it's available outside the US? (e.g. UK). > > > >Regards, > > > >Mark > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On >Behalf > >Of Kermit V. Gray > >Sent: 06 January 2006 19:49 > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Best Head Cleaner? > > > >Hi Mike, > > > >Mike Douglas wrote: > > > Thanks for all the replies on maximizing tape performance. Any > > > recommendation for the best head cleaner? I'd like to get the best > > > possible one I can get for use on a CR-7E, in case it might >subjectively > > > vary from deck to deck. -Mike > > > >I'd heartly recommend only >HREF="http://www.usrecordingmedia.com/profs7headgu.html">American > >Recorder S-721H Head/pinch roller cleaner. > > > >-- > >Kermit Gray > >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > >http://www.woods-and-waters.com > >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From marc at stager.com Sun Jan 8 18:50:00 2006 From: marc at stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 12:50:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Simple calibration (Or how to use bias control) In-Reply-To: <200601081110.k08B97TR017963@zxe.naks.com> References: <200601081110.k08B97TR017963@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20060108122503.02948bc0@stager.com> Thanks, Alex. I forgot to mention this: It should be the FIRST thing you do: 1. Makes sure the heads are clean and demagnetized. Cleaning is simple: Using isopropyl alcohol, preferably 90% pure or better, and a cotton swab and gently wipe the heads clean. Also clean the pinch rollers and other parts along the tape path, while you're at it. You don't need an expensive head demagnetizer, but to keep the heads from erasing the highest frequencies on a tape - and they will if you don't occasionally demag the heads, it's a good idea to demagnetize the heads every few weeks. Make sure you cassette deck is TURNED OFF. If it's on the demagger will cause violent swings in the meters and possibly damage them. Turn on or plug in the demagger about 3 or 4 feet away from the machine and bring it to the heads very s l o w l y, then spend about 15 seconds in front of the left capstan - move the device up and down on each of the surfaces, almost but not touching them. Then 15 seconds each in front of the erase, record, play heads, and right capstan, then pull the demagger away slowly and shut it off when it is 3 - 4 ft. away from the machine. You can do the alignment without demagnetizing, but I would never do the job using an expensive alignment cassette without degaussing (same as demagnetizing) first for fear of damaging the fragile topmost frequencies. Incidentally, it's a good idea that, once you have finished the demagnetizing process, that you turn on the machine and wait about fifteen minutes before you do the bias and level adjustments. This is so the circuits are completely stabilized and give you the most accurate and consistent readings possible. ____________ Marc Stager Stager Sound Systems At 06:10 AM 1/8/2006, you wrote: >Bravo...Marc... Super Wise advice & and a very good and cheap one >Cheers, >ALEX! > > >From: Marc Stager > >Subject: [naktalk] Simple calibration (Or how to use bias control) > >Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 13:12:49 -0500 > > > >Use the bias control to adjust for the most accurate sound. > >Cheap and simple calibration: ... From marc at stager.com Sun Jan 8 19:07:50 2006 From: marc at stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 13:07:50 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Quantegy? In-Reply-To: <200601072046.k07KjVlt018974@zxe.naks.com> References: <200601072046.k07KjVlt018974@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20060108125850.0294e160@stager.com> I've seen recommendations for the Quantegy 472 type II cassettes. How does this compare to the current Maxell and TDK stuff? While I prefer metal, and Sony Metal-ES is the gold standard against which all others are measured, my supply of ES is running low and I need to get some new tapes for my 582, MR-1 and newly acquired 682ZX. By the way, my 670ZX is currently at the dock of eBay, item # 5851413212 Any experience with Quantegy? Or any others I'm not familiar with? Any decent metal tape still available? Thanx, ____________ Marc Stager Stager Sound Systems http://marc.stager.com/ From earthrite at gn.apc.org Sun Jan 8 18:21:50 2006 From: earthrite at gn.apc.org (earthrite at gn.apc.org) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:21:50 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Digression to record decks continues and Marcs biased advice and sleeping with your beloved Nak! Message-ID: Doh! Sorry Marc (South Africa) ascribing your pearls of wisdom to Alex! The last of the winter wine had 'my precious' brain fuddled. Of course it was you Marc and I love hearing your experience of the 48 series. You say they have an unusual presentation and as per Bala's amusing analogies to turntables and arm combinations and I am absolutely revelling in analogue sounds from the last 30 years plus. The soundtrack to the film Queen Magaret with The Beograd Choir, Lyra players from Crete teamed up with Turkish Sufi musicians, Joni Mitchell's Blue, Donovan singing 'Season of the Witch' :- Porgy & Bess original cast, Robin Wyatt, Vishwan Bhatt and son recorded playing ragas on Indian guitars ... Im in a sort of heaven here. How fortunate I am. I have a confession to make or is a claim ..... I maybe the saddest of nak geeks or thr most fortunate. My wife has been ill for the previous 4-5 days probably with exhaustion at having ensured everyone had a good Christmass and having worked hard to clear Christmass orders. So we have been sleeping apart as her sleep is easily disturbed and so I have also been listening on headphones as my den is next to the bedroom. On going to bed I confess I tucked the Nak under my arm and went to bed with it playing away ....... I have been sleeping with a Nak ....... how about that?! Do I get a medal or a sad bastard award as we oftimes say in Anglo Saxon. my wife is better now. Moving on from my fidelity or lack of it which I hope amuses or appalls you but still speaking of passions One explanation of the roots of the word music is "Musa Ka" which I learn translates from Old Egyptian to mean 'Moses listen'. Under the circumstances Moses was in at the time it sounds like good advice! I was thrilled to hear that years ago as when I play music I soon disappear to myself. hence my interest in recording my play so I can use other parts of myself to listen .... as we say 'objectively' but if the roots of the word do refer to Divine guidance then the love of music that lies at the back of our Nak passion is just because we are so greedy for more of that juice. Hmmm better stop in case I alienate someone. However Nak evangelism seems to be allowed. Music is fascinating so fascinating but sleeping with ones cassette recorder has proved to be great fun It would be good to make recordings Marc and I will but frankly so much of this old tape treasure trove is better than the radio at present, well with one exception. In the UK we have one radio station BBC Radio 3 that still broadcasts at "CD quality" (although what the reference point was before digital emerged escapes me) which means at 44kz or whatever the right term is ........ other BBC stations broadcast at lower quality. Over the years i have recorded loads of stuff from Radio 3 and recently I concentrate on Late Junction which I think is available on the web for those with adsl etc.... however I guess its not at 44 doo dahs on that set up . However it is almost achingly good live music ...... sometimes 3 tracks in a row some tracks 30 minutes long and live recordings....... with a Danish wife we are drawn to the cool Scandinavian musicians the show has a gentle bias for ....... sort of 21st century Oscar Petersen. I expect some of the UK Nakkers will listen to it too. To the other Marc (Stager) thanks for that complete breakdown on the use of the bias control ...... there is something unusual about the 481z and that is due to it having 3 heads but no switching between tape and source on the deck itself ....... I guess they were keeping the price low. I dont know if this confounds your advice ... I believe B&W are sending a photocopy of the users manual in the next week ........ with your input and that I should be able to get it sorted. I mostly have TDK cd'ing blanks to use for my recording plans. Its widely available hereabouts. I trust the heads are all sweet as its just serviced ... as some readers will be tired of hearing <:-) No one answered my earlier query which is interesting me ........ these old tapes of mine that have so much info on them, many recrded on my old full size Sony Portable < luggable would be more honest> TC152 ( I think) bought in 1975 ..... why on earth could the info be put on the tapes initially but never got off on playback until put on the Nak? Is it perhaps due to the record head set up and circuitry being better than the playback side? From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Jan 8 20:18:48 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 19:18:48 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Simple calibration (Or how to use bias control) Message-ID: Hi Marc! I'm now 62 years old, for more of 40 years I do 100% exactly what you advise me so wise...concerning to "Alignment of heads"...frankly I NEVER do it till today, as newer was necessary, all my acquired decks from Naks to others...sorry I never need to "Touch" or "Move"...as came from the factory. This particularly issue I never want to do & I never will do it. Also thank you very heart fully, for teach me to wait 15 minutes for "Stabilization" of all the circuits, I appreciated very...very much. Concerning again with "Degausses"...I own for near 3 decades the "Best on the World" one, the R.B.Annis which I acquired as a kit, (Meter included) exactly when the factory release the "Export" version 220 v.ac, that was near 3 decades ago, + the Akai one from my passed away Daddy together with his Akai Bulk Eraser R to R machine. Marc I will send you my digit photos of my current in use & owning degausses. Again, I appreciated so much your heart full advises! Be well always, ALEX! >From: Marc Stager >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Simple calibration (Or how to use bias control) >Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 12:50:00 -0500 > >Thanks, Alex. > >I forgot to mention this: It should be the FIRST thing you do: > >1. Makes sure the heads are clean and demagnetized. > >Cleaning is simple: Using isopropyl alcohol, preferably 90% pure >or better, and a cotton swab and gently wipe the heads clean. >Also clean the pinch rollers and other parts along the tape >path, while you're at it. > >You don't need an expensive head demagnetizer, but to keep >the heads from erasing the highest frequencies on a tape - and >they will if you don't occasionally demag the heads, it's a good >idea to demagnetize the heads every few weeks. > >Make sure you cassette deck is TURNED OFF. If it's on the >demagger will cause violent swings in the meters and possibly >damage them. Turn on or plug in the demagger about 3 or 4 feet >away from the machine and bring it to the heads very s l o w l y, >then spend about 15 seconds in front of the left capstan - move >the device up and down on each of the surfaces, almost but not >touching them. Then 15 seconds each in front of the erase, record, >play heads, and right capstan, then pull the demagger away slowly >and shut it off when it is 3 - 4 ft. away from the machine. > >You can do the alignment without demagnetizing, but I would never >do the job using an expensive alignment cassette without degaussing >(same as demagnetizing) first for fear of damaging the fragile topmost >frequencies. > >Incidentally, it's a good idea that, once you have finished the >demagnetizing process, that you turn on the machine and wait about >fifteen minutes before you do the bias and level adjustments. This is so >the circuits are completely stabilized and give you the most accurate >and consistent readings possible. > >____________ Marc Stager >Stager Sound Systems > > > >At 06:10 AM 1/8/2006, you wrote: >>Bravo...Marc... Super Wise advice & and a very good and cheap one >>Cheers, >>ALEX! >> >> >From: Marc Stager >> >Subject: [naktalk] Simple calibration (Or how to use bias control) >> >Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 13:12:49 -0500 >> > >> >Use the bias control to adjust for the most accurate sound. >> >Cheap and simple calibration: ... > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sun Jan 8 20:23:38 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 13:23:38 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Quantegy? In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20060108125850.0294e160@stager.com> References: <200601072046.k07KjVlt018974@zxe.naks.com> <6.2.5.6.2.20060108125850.0294e160@stager.com> Message-ID: <43C166BA.1070809@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Marc, I prefer the Quantegy 472 type II cassettes over the Maxell, TDK or any metal cassette. Quantegy 472 has the lowest IMD I've ever measured in a Type II cassette, and it seems to have a more neutral balance and an open detailed sound. BUT one caveat: some resellers load it into mediocre shells, so it matters where you buy it. U.S. Recording and Tapes.com seem to load it into good shells. One metal cassette is still made, I believe it is SKC. I've not tried it as I don't favor metal cassettes. They seem to have lots of sizzle (hyped up bass and treble,) but higher distortion in the midrange. Also the higher MOL is of little practical benefit to me because I record such that levels do not exceed 0 dB when using Dolby. That said, the old THATs brand of metal cassettes were nice and I did use those on occasion. Marc Stager wrote: > I've seen recommendations for the Quantegy 472 type II > cassettes. > > How does this compare to the current Maxell and TDK stuff? > While I prefer metal, and Sony Metal-ES is the gold standard > against which all others are measured, my supply of ES is > running low and I need to get some new tapes for my 582, MR-1 > and newly acquired 682ZX. By the way, my 670ZX is currently > at the dock of eBay, item # 5851413212 > > Any experience with Quantegy? Or any others I'm not familiar > with? Any decent metal tape still available? > -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sun Jan 8 20:39:18 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 13:39:18 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Tape dubbing In-Reply-To: <20060108001848.95683.qmail@web51313.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060108001848.95683.qmail@web51313.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43C16A66.7010201@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Bob, My procedure is this: Consult owner's manual for both decks to see what they specify for nominal input and output levels. Adjust Deck 1 so that its output for a 400 cps tone recorded at 0 VU equals Deck 2's nominal input level specified in the manual of Deck 2. Adjust Deck 2's input fader so its VU meter reads 0 VU. You're ready to make music. If possible, double check Deck 1's performance by measuring its THD at the output level setting you end up with. If THD exceeds the magnitude specified in Deck 1's manual, you may have to vary from the settings resulting from the procedure. Also, if Deck 2's input fader setting is very low (near the bottom of the range), you may be overloading its input amplifier stages, especially on transients. Some experience by trial-and-error is inevitable before you've fine tuned levels, but so far I've never had a deck give me problems with the procedure above except those made by Uher, Bang & Olufsen, NEAL, Wollensak, or the plethora of cheapie battery-powered mono cassettes, recordable Walkman-clones, or boomboxes. But I assume you're not using the latter! Enjoy the music! Bob Petrovich wrote: > What is the proper procedure when dubbing tapes? > > 1) set output on a playback deck to maximum, adjust recording volume on > recording deck. > > 2) set output on a playback deck to approx. 50% and adjust the > recording volume on recording deck > > > 3) set recording level to maximum and adjust playback level to low level > sufficient enough. > > Does it make any difference since in all three instances recording deck > VU meters show the same level? -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From CKDawson at cableone.net Sun Jan 8 20:01:24 2006 From: CKDawson at cableone.net (Keith Dawson) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 11:01:24 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] re:New to Naktalk-Help with Nak 600 Message-ID: <018e01c61485$ec5c0fa0$6501a8c0@dell> Hi Ross, Like Kermit, I too am a 600 fan. Glad to see another show up on the Forum. It sometimes seems like Kermit, Bala and I are among the only hard-core 2-head holdouts here! Of course they have other decks but I have only the 600. It's currently waiting in the queue at ESLabs ( I saw your posts earlier Jeff, Are we there yet? ) for a makeover that I hope will keep it healthy for many more years. I like the mid range emphasis, the look, most everything about the 600. All the rest of my system is from the same era except the turntable and I consider them a fine match. You have a greater sense of adventure than I do if you are willing to open yours up and take a shot at repairing the problem. Here's hoping you are successful! Welcome to the Forum! Keith -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sun Jan 8 21:00:40 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 15:00:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Quantegy? In-Reply-To: <43C166BA.1070809@woods-and-waters.com> References: <200601072046.k07KjVlt018974@zxe.naks.com> <6.2.5.6.2.20060108125850.0294e160@stager.com> <43C166BA.1070809@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <43C16F68.1030409@yahoo.ca> tapes.com doesn't seem to have the 472. They just have TDK and Maxell audio cassettes. Antoine Deschênes Kermit V. Gray a écrit : > Hi Marc, > > I prefer the Quantegy 472 type II cassettes over the Maxell, TDK or > any metal cassette. Quantegy 472 has the lowest IMD I've ever measured > in a Type II cassette, and it seems to have a more neutral balance and > an open detailed sound. BUT one caveat: some resellers load it into > mediocre shells, so it matters where you buy it. U.S. Recording and > Tapes.com seem to load it into good shells. > > One metal cassette is still made, I believe it is SKC. I've not tried > it as I don't favor metal cassettes. They seem to have lots of sizzle > (hyped up bass and treble,) but higher distortion in the midrange. > Also the higher MOL is of little practical benefit to me because I > record such that levels do not exceed 0 dB when using Dolby. That > said, the old THATs brand of metal cassettes were nice and I did use > those on occasion. > > Marc Stager wrote: >> I've seen recommendations for the Quantegy 472 type II >> cassettes. >> >> How does this compare to the current Maxell and TDK stuff? >> While I prefer metal, and Sony Metal-ES is the gold standard >> against which all others are measured, my supply of ES is >> running low and I need to get some new tapes for my 582, MR-1 >> and newly acquired 682ZX. By the way, my 670ZX is currently >> at the dock of eBay, item # 5851413212 >> >> Any experience with Quantegy? Or any others I'm not familiar >> with? Any decent metal tape still available? >> > From shorty at nznet.gen.nz Sun Jan 8 21:36:58 2006 From: shorty at nznet.gen.nz (Martin Short) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 09:36:58 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] 22 Nakamichis .. Message-ID: <004001c61493$45f574e0$0201a8c0@lan> Bala, How do you keep them all going??... what is your usage regime to ensure they don't seize up?.. Tx, Martin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sun Jan 8 22:16:10 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 15:16:10 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning and demagnetizing tape recorders Message-ID: <43C1811A.1090903@woods-and-waters.com> Hello fellow Nakkers, Because the topic of tape recorder cleaning comes up often, I've put a new white paper on the topic on my web site. Enjoy! http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/PDF/cleaning_and_demagnetizing.pdf -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sun Jan 8 22:22:49 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 15:22:49 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] re:New to Naktalk-Help with Nak 600 In-Reply-To: <018e01c61485$ec5c0fa0$6501a8c0@dell> References: <018e01c61485$ec5c0fa0$6501a8c0@dell> Message-ID: <43C182A9.9060204@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Keith, Keith Dawson wrote: > Like Kermit, I too am a 600 fan. Glad to see another show up on the > Forum. It sometimes seems like Kermit, Bala and I are among the only > hard-core 2-head holdouts here! I've actualy thought of starting a Nakamichi 600 "appreciation society" that would include the 1000, 700, 600, 600-II, 550, 500, 350 and 250. At the very least, I'd have to include the 500 and 550 so mine do not feel slighted. Doubt I'll ever get the time to do it, but I really love these older decks, even the two-head ones. Bala has 22 cassettes, mainly Nakamichis, so I think he has us all beat with regard to passion. I have only two 600-II, one 600, two 550, one 500, one BX-2 (although it's slated to be disposed of) and one 581, which I'm trying to resurrect. I know I could always set my ego aside and send the 581 off to be repaired, but vainly trying to fix the 581 has become sport for me. In truth, the 581 isn't as valuable to me as the other decks. If I sent anything off for repair or restoration it would be the 550 or one ofthe 600 series. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz Sun Jan 8 21:44:45 2006 From: donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz (Donald Sangster) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 09:44:45 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] re:New to Naktalk-Help with Nak 600 References: <018e01c61485$ec5c0fa0$6501a8c0@dell> Message-ID: <00d401c61494$5bee7f70$292999de@tec> Hi Keith, Ross, Bala, Kermit et al: NAK 600 Please don't forget me and my deck as well, and Ross and others, my service manual is uploaded onto the Norwegian website for your use. Regards Donald ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Dawson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 8:01 AM Subject: [naktalk] re:New to Naktalk-Help with Nak 600 Hi Ross, Like Kermit, I too am a 600 fan. Glad to see another show up on the Forum. It sometimes seems like Kermit, Bala and I are among the only hard-core 2-head holdouts here! Of course they have other decks but I have only the 600. It's currently waiting in the queue at ESLabs ( I saw your posts earlier Jeff, Are we there yet? ) for a makeover that I hope will keep it healthy for many more years. I like the mid range emphasis, the look, most everything about the 600. All the rest of my system is from the same era except the turntable and I consider them a fine match. You have a greater sense of adventure than I do if you are willing to open yours up and take a shot at repairing the problem. Here's hoping you are successful! Welcome to the Forum! Keith ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Sun Jan 8 22:32:18 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 15:32:18 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Digression to record decks continues and Marcs biased advice and sleeping with your beloved Nak! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43C184E2.3090808@woods-and-waters.com> Hey there, fellow Nakaphile earthrite at gn.apc.org wrote: > ... I maybe the saddest of nak geeks or th[e] most fortunate. ... > On going to bed I confess I tucked the > Nak under my arm and went to bed with it playing away ....... I have > been sleeping with a Nak ....... how about that?! Do I get a medal or a > sad bastard award as we oftimes say in Anglo Saxon. my wife is better now. Nah, man, this is just passion for great sound being exercised. You're not alone. I've sometimes fallen asleep with the gentle strains of Vivaldi woodwind concertos or Beethoven's 6th Symphony emanating from my AKG K240 headphones connected to one of my Nak 550. When I was recovering from neurosurgery in 2002, the 550 was my constant bedside companion for months. Good to hear your wife is feeling better. > No one answered my earlier query which is interesting me ........ these > old tapes of mine that have so much info on them, many recrded on my old > full size Sony Portable < luggable would be more honest> TC152 ( I > think) bought in 1975 ..... why on earth could the info be put on the > tapes initially but never got off on playback until put on the Nak? Is > it perhaps due to the record head set up and circuitry being better than > the playback side? This is simple: Nakamichi recorders excel at reproducing tapes made on other recorders. Some models of Nakamichi adjust their head azimuth automatically, ensuring flawless reproduction of any cassette made on any brand recorder. This is why Nakamichi cassette decks are favored by many sound archivists; the Dragon especially so. The reason the info could be put on the tapes initially, but never gotten off on playback until played on your Nakamichi speaks volumes about the reproduce quality of the other (non-Nak) recorder. It's simply inferior. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Mon Jan 9 00:19:32 2006 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 23:19:32 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Digression to record decks continues and Marcs biased advice and sleeping with your beloved Nak! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003b01c614a9$fc77b550$7300a8c0@Shaun> ..... I have been sleeping with a Nak ....... how about that?! Do I get a medal or a sad bastard award as we oftimes say in Anglo Saxon. my wife is better now. Well, I don't see anything unusual in that! In the late 70's (after my then wife had made off with a friend!) I used to do a lot of home brewing, a hobby I used to share with a lodger who was a university student (helped pay the bills and reduced the cost of home entertaining!). I finally got fed up with waking up at 2/3am and crawling off to bed frozen stiff, so I set myself up with a polypin (the plastic containers inside a box of country wine which I used to get from my local off-licence) full of home brew beer and my old Aiwa AD1300 next to my bed. That way I could take my last half pint or so in the comfort of my bed and settle down with my then favourite cassette of "Wish You Were Here". My Koss Pro 4AA (I think) headphones were a tad bulky and soon replaced with Sennheiser HD420. A time clock would ensure that player and lights were extinguished after 2.00pm, so as not to be disturbed by their presence later on. Without fail, every night I would only ever get half way through a tape before sinking into oblivion, only occasionally being aroused briefly by the click at the end of the cassette. Shaun From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 9 01:35:04 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 16:35:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning and demagnetizing tape recorders In-Reply-To: <43C1811A.1090903@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <20060109003504.70356.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey Kermit Buddy, Wonderful job! Regards Bala 79 Labs "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: Hello fellow Nakkers, Because the topic of tape recorder cleaning comes up often, I've put a new white paper on the topic on my web site. Enjoy! http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/PDF/cleaning_and_demagnetizing.pdf -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA 816-918-5058 cellphone 913-422-0957 business http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From rob at rhoag.com Mon Jan 9 02:52:33 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:52:33 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Hi-Fi World - UK In-Reply-To: <200601062116.k06LGkEp014554@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Would love to see this article in the February issue of Hi-Fi World, REEL LIVING "Thanks to the specialists at Bowers & Wilkins Ltd., Nakamichi cassette decks will run and run, says David Price." but we don't get it over here in the USA where I live and the subscription is pretty high $60UK = $80US ? Anyway, if anyone has the issue and wants to copy the article and post it that would be really great. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Mark Caton Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 1:17 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Hi-Fi World - UK Nice article in this month’s edition, with a 3 page article on owning and servicing old Naks, with a strong link and interview with Bowers&Wilkins. Also some pictures of a 600, restored and on the bench. £3.60 of our british pounds. Mark From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 9 03:14:46 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 18:14:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Hi-Fi World - UK In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060109021446.86326.qmail@web32815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I used to be a religious reader of this mag, partly also thanks to their DIY section. Have two shelves of my book cupboard just for their issues. But they seem to be beating about the same bush - Garrard, Leak, JA Mitchell, Naim, Linn etc.. then back again. And for international measures, we have the Yamaha 1000 speakers, Japanese Reel to reel and cassette machines. I get so worked up when I how they talk about things like Leak tuners, and how Quad invented hi-fi. Frank McIntosh, Saul Marantz and Homer Scott never went to school maybe. The day when they acknowledge these annals of audio also, along with the two dozen more I have not mentioned and give a more balanced perspective of audio, I will buy the magazines with more religious fever. Bala Doane Hoag wrote: Would love to see this article in the February issue of Hi-Fi World, REEL LIVING "Thanks to the specialists at Bowers & Wilkins Ltd., Nakamichi cassette decks will run and run, says David Price." but we don't get it over here in the USA where I live and the subscription is pretty high $60UK = $80US ? Anyway, if anyone has the issue and wants to copy the article and post it that would be really great. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Mark Caton Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 1:17 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Hi-Fi World - UK Nice article in this month’s edition, with a 3 page article on owning and servicing old Naks, with a strong link and interview with Bowers&Wilkins. Also some pictures of a 600, restored and on the bench. £3.60 of our british pounds. Mark ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Got holiday prints? 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Glad to see another show up on the Forum. It sometimes seems like Kermit, Bala and I are among the only hard-core 2-head holdouts here! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.15/223 - Release Date: 1/6/2006 From wontulp at zoomnet.com.au Mon Jan 9 04:30:51 2006 From: wontulp at zoomnet.com.au (David Thompson) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 13:30:51 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning and demagnetizing tape recorders In-Reply-To: <20060109003504.70356.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060109003504.70356.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1d72d94d5d18a190a41e0ff1152b2f09@zoomnet.com.au> Kermit Thanks for putting up the white paper on cleaning but unfortunately the download cannot be opened on my eMac. Acrobat says the file is damaged and cannot be repaired. Tried twice. Can you check you end please? David On 09/01/2006, at 10:35 AM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hey Kermit Buddy, >     >            Wonderful job! > > Regards > Bala > 79 Labs > > "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: >> >> Because the topic of tape recorder cleaning comes up often, I've put a >> new white paper on the topic on my web site. Enjoy! >> >> http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/PDF/ >> cleaning_and_demagnetizing.pdf >> >> -- >> Kermit Gray >> Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >> 16371 Lake Point Drive >> Bonner Springs, KS 66012 >> USA >> 816-918-5058 cellphone >> 913-422-0957 business >> http://www.woods-and-waters.com >> http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info >> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Reg! ister your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= > > Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or > less========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 1872 bytes Desc: not available URL: From wontulp at zoomnet.com.au Mon Jan 9 04:36:50 2006 From: wontulp at zoomnet.com.au (David Thompson) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 13:36:50 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] 582 problem Message-ID: I am still working on my 582 level settings problem which Matyas and Kannas kindly gave useful advice. (Left levels lower than the right.) Matyas referred to the inductor in the bias oscillator as one possibility. It is listed as 1.4mH. I can source one which is 1.5mH. Can anyone advise if this would be suitable? The problem may be due to head alignment though. I have a 581 which has a similar imbalance. Would a slight tilt on the erase head do this? David From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Jan 9 04:45:07 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 03:45:07 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning and demagnetizing tape recorders Message-ID: Bravo Kermit! I really hope...that all our Nakkers fans, will learn from your post...I added to "My Favorites"...to remember me when I will be older 100% exactly how to do it 500% right! Our Lord will Bless you for EVER!!! Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Kermit V. Gray" >Reply-To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning and demagnetizing tape recorders >Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 15:16:10 -0600 > >Hello fellow Nakkers, > >Because the topic of tape recorder cleaning comes up often, I've put a new >white paper on the topic on my web site. Enjoy! > >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/PDF/cleaning_and_demagnetizing.pdf > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >16371 Lake Point Drive >Bonner Springs, KS 66012 >USA >816-918-5058 cellphone >913-422-0957 business >http://www.woods-and-waters.com >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Mon Jan 9 06:20:16 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 21:20:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 582 problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060109052016.75650.qmail@web33314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I had never seen an Inductor going bad in a Nak - Generally check capacitors in the circuite around record amp - bias trap area. You need a good DMM with capacitor measuring to check these caps. Good chance record head alignment. Since Nak heads are floating in two different axis - you need their gauges and alignment tapes to correctly align. If you can get some source to do the alignment in Australia - better kannan David Thompson wrote: I am still working on my 582 level settings problem which Matyas and Kannas kindly gave useful advice. (Left levels lower than the right.) Matyas referred to the inductor in the bias oscillator as one possibility. It is listed as 1.4mH. I can source one which is 1.5mH. Can anyone advise if this would be suitable? The problem may be due to head alignment though. I have a 581 which has a similar imbalance. Would a slight tilt on the erase head do this? David ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rossnkiely at gmail.com Mon Jan 9 03:24:04 2006 From: rossnkiely at gmail.com (Ross Kiely) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 21:24:04 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] re:New to Naktalk-Help with Nak 600 In-Reply-To: <018e01c61485$ec5c0fa0$6501a8c0@dell> References: <018e01c61485$ec5c0fa0$6501a8c0@dell> Message-ID: <6e1618b40601081824s1e6e0399s218278a1c1e8e66@mail.gmail.com> On the subject of Older eqipment. My home system consists of a Mcintosh 2505 Amp, Mcintosh C-28 Preamp, Pioneer Tx-900 Tuner, 4- EPI(epicure) 4' high speaker Towers, Revox A-77 reel to reel tape machine, and last but not least, Nakamichi 600(black). I used to also have a small personal 4trk recording studio in my house.Alas, the only remains of that are an Otari MX-5050 1/4" 4trk. and a Rane EQ. which I may incorporate into my above home system someday. I'm really looking forward to receiving my used 600(silver) purchased from e-bay. Should be interesting to see the "guts" of a legend up close and personal!! Ross. On 1/8/06, Keith Dawson wrote: > > Hi Ross, > > Like Kermit, I too am a 600 fan. Glad to see another show up on the > Forum. It sometimes seems like Kermit, Bala and I are among the only > hard-core 2-head holdouts here! > Of course they have other decks but I have only the 600. It's > currently waiting in the queue at ESLabs ( I saw your posts earlier Jeff, > Are we there yet? ) for a makeover that I hope will keep it healthy for many > more years. I like the mid range emphasis, the look, most everything about > the 600. All the rest of my system is from the same era except the turntable > and I consider them a fine match. > You have a greater sense of adventure than I do if you are willing to > open yours up and take a shot at repairing the problem. Here's hoping you > are successful! > > Welcome to the Forum! > > Keith > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -- Ross Kiely-Sound/Lighting Danforth Community Church Toronto, Ontario,Canada. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tanya at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Jan 9 11:03:50 2006 From: tanya at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Tanya Nelson) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 10:03:50 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Hi-Fi World - UK In-Reply-To: <20060109021446.86326.qmail@web32815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004b01c61503$fd1477a0$76b587d9@oemcomputer> Bala Your point is well made but, in fairness, one has to realise that most of the guys writing there are fairly young and won't have had much exposure to early McIntosh, high end Marantz or Scott as they were not sold in great numbers in the UK. When I took my Eico to Haden Boardman, generally recognised as an "expert" with vintage amps in the UK, he'd never heard of Eico, let alone seen one of their amps. (However, he did recognise the circuit straight away as being a an adaptation of an early English amplifier design.) Similarly, there are a number of very nice speakers, turentables and amps from Australia, France, Italy, Germany and other parts of Wester and East Europe, and probably elswhere in the World, that get missed out, too, because they are never landed on these shores unless ik,ported by USAF servicemen! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 09 January 2006 02:15 To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Hi-Fi World - UK I used to be a religious reader of this mag, partly also thanks to their DIY section. Have two shelves of my book cupboard just for their issues. But they seem to be beating about the same bush - Garrard, Leak, JA Mitchell, Naim, Linn etc.. then back again. And for international measures, we have the Yamaha 1000 speakers, Japanese Reel to reel and cassette machines. I get so worked up when I how they talk about things like Leak tuners, and how Quad invented hi-fi. Frank McIntosh, Saul Marantz and Homer Scott never went to school maybe. The day when they acknowledge these annals of audio also, along with the two dozen more I have not mentioned and give a more balanced perspective of audio, I will buy the magazines with more religious fever. Bala -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shorty at nznet.gen.nz Mon Jan 9 11:13:38 2006 From: shorty at nznet.gen.nz (Martin Short) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 23:13:38 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] hard-core 2-head holdouts /600 fan club Message-ID: <003801c61505$5c378500$0201a8c0@lan> Hey Guy's!.. don't forget me....I am as about as hardcore with respect to two head Naks as you'll ever get!!!.. the most under appreciated branch of Nakdom!. Some brilliant machines to be had quietly down here whilst the glory hunters are off chasing Dragons and touting at CR-7's! :o) . Any two head using a Nakamichi mechanism has a performance that appears to be greater than the sum of the parts....'scuse my one eyedness here. ( not that I would mind a CR-7 though, and use a ZX-7 as my main recording deck, in defence of three headers) My own machine library includes in approx chronological order, a 500, 600, 600II, 580, 480Z, LX3, plus several sundry Sankyo decks, which though still good, lack the magic of the older machines. The 600 needs some electronics work now.. no longer records and has some intermittent distortion on PB... and the 500 died recently when I went to record something, which was a surprise and major 'bummer' to put it bluntly!! as it played a tape perfectly the night before!!.. so that has to go to a techo's as well as soon as the service manual arrives. Fortunately the remainder are in good working order and regularly used for play back at least, ( and should record). All have their own signature, which adds to the enjoyment, and no different to trying different arm/cartridge combinations on a turntable just in case I am accused of listening to the machine and not the music!. My personal favourites are the 600II and 580, FWIW. cheers, Martin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Jan 9 11:41:58 2006 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 11:41:58 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] hard-core 2-head holdouts /600 fan club In-Reply-To: <003801c61505$5c378500$0201a8c0@lan> References: <003801c61505$5c378500$0201a8c0@lan> Message-ID: <14634.212.78.164.66.1136803318.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Hey, don't forget about me! While at first I was a fan of the classic 80's Naks (all ZX decks, LX, ZXE and ZXL) I'm now also very fascinated by the the 70's decks... I own a 1000, 500, 550, 250 and 600 and also 3 OEM decks from the 70's: 2 ELAC decks (CD500 and a CD400) and a Harman Kardon HK-1000! The ELAC decks are internally a mix of the 550/250/350, amazing to see the parts/boards they have in common! What struck me most is the sound quality when i got my first (working) 70's Nak a 500! The 250 i have for about 2 months is also a remarkable deck. Wouter > Hey Guy's!.. don't forget me....I am as about as hardcore with respect to > two head Naks as you'll ever get!!!.. the most under appreciated branch of > Nakdom!. From dubsyndrome at hotmail.com Mon Jan 9 12:21:55 2006 From: dubsyndrome at hotmail.com (Dr. Dub) Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 11:21:55 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak of turntables In-Reply-To: <200601090751.k097otbL022587@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: For about 3 years, I have owned the 'Nak of turntables', a J.A. Michell Orbe SE with SME series V titanium tonearm. I hate to see this go but due to some $-trouble I am forced now to start looking for a new home for my baby. I will gladly trade in another good turntable, and/or a ZXE/ZXL/CR-7/Dragon. She's in very good condition (of course), comes with the Michell QC power supply. Drop me a line when interested; best regards, pats. From jmcalli at yahoo.com Mon Jan 9 13:31:28 2006 From: jmcalli at yahoo.com (James McAllister) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 04:31:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak of turntables In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060109123128.30817.qmail@web30609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Interesting. I thought I owned the "Nak of turntables." Mine is made by Nakamichi. James --- "Dr. Dub" wrote: > For about 3 years, I have owned the 'Nak of > turntables', a J.A. Michell Orbe > SE with SME series V titanium tonearm. I hate to see > this go but due to some > $-trouble I am forced now to start looking for a new > home for my baby. I > will gladly trade in another good turntable, and/or > a ZXE/ZXL/CR-7/Dragon. > She's in very good condition (of course), comes with > the Michell QC power > supply. Drop me a line when interested; best > regards, pats. > > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Jan 9 13:53:58 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 12:53:58 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak of turntables Message-ID: Hi James! WHICH...the TT-1000 or Dragon? Lovely & very fancy both!!! Cheers, ALEX! >From: James McAllister >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak of turntables >Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 04:31:28 -0800 (PST) > >Interesting. I thought I owned the "Nak of >turntables." Mine is made by Nakamichi. > >James > >--- "Dr. Dub" wrote: > > > For about 3 years, I have owned the 'Nak of > > turntables', a J.A. Michell Orbe > > SE with SME series V titanium tonearm. I hate to see > > this go but due to some > > $-trouble I am forced now to start looking for a new > > home for my baby. I > > will gladly trade in another good turntable, and/or > > a ZXE/ZXL/CR-7/Dragon. > > She's in very good condition (of course), comes with > > the Michell QC power > > supply. Drop me a line when interested; best > > regards, pats. > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From jmcalli at yahoo.com Mon Jan 9 14:41:07 2006 From: jmcalli at yahoo.com (James McAllister) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 05:41:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak of turntables In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060109134107.83559.qmail@web30613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, Alex. I have a Dragon-CT. James --- Alex Cozac wrote: > Hi James! > > WHICH...the TT-1000 or Dragon? > > Lovely & very fancy both!!! > > Cheers, > > ALEX! > > > > > > >From: James McAllister > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak of turntables > >Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 04:31:28 -0800 (PST) > > > >Interesting. I thought I owned the "Nak of > >turntables." Mine is made by Nakamichi. > > > >James > > > >--- "Dr. Dub" wrote: > > > > > For about 3 years, I have owned the 'Nak of > > > turntables', a J.A. Michell Orbe > > > SE with SME series V titanium tonearm. I hate to > see > > > this go but due to some > > > $-trouble I am forced now to start looking for a > new > > > home for my baby. I > > > will gladly trade in another good turntable, > and/or > > > a ZXE/ZXL/CR-7/Dragon. > > > She's in very good condition (of course), comes > with > > > the Michell QC power > > > supply. Drop me a line when interested; best > > > regards, pats. > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From smbrandt at earthlink.net Mon Jan 9 11:02:27 2006 From: smbrandt at earthlink.net (Stephen Brandt) Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 05:02:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] item# 5849745821, Message-ID: Hello Check this Nak out item# 5849745821 on ebay, real nice machine! Thanks Steve From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Jan 9 15:40:07 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 14:40:07 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak of turntables Message-ID: Hi James! Lovely..which tone arm you selected + cartridge? Enjoy such unique table! Greetings, ALEX! >From: James McAllister >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak of turntables >Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 05:41:07 -0800 (PST) > >Hi, Alex. > >I have a Dragon-CT. > >James > >--- Alex Cozac wrote: > > > Hi James! > > > > WHICH...the TT-1000 or Dragon? > > > > Lovely & very fancy both!!! > > > > Cheers, > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: James McAllister > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak of turntables > > >Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 04:31:28 -0800 (PST) > > > > > >Interesting. I thought I owned the "Nak of > > >turntables." Mine is made by Nakamichi. > > > > > >James > > > > > >--- "Dr. Dub" wrote: > > > > > > > For about 3 years, I have owned the 'Nak of > > > > turntables', a J.A. Michell Orbe > > > > SE with SME series V titanium tonearm. I hate to > > see > > > > this go but due to some > > > > $-trouble I am forced now to start looking for a > > new > > > > home for my baby. I > > > > will gladly trade in another good turntable, > > and/or > > > > a ZXE/ZXL/CR-7/Dragon. > > > > She's in very good condition (of course), comes > > with > > > > the Michell QC power > > > > supply. Drop me a line when interested; best > > > > regards, pats. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com > > mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From jmcalli at yahoo.com Mon Jan 9 16:02:47 2006 From: jmcalli at yahoo.com (James McAllister) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 07:02:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak of turntables In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060109150247.29685.qmail@web30602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Alex, It's packed away in its little box since I moved into my "new" home. I have two Nakamichi tone arms for it, which interchange quickly. One tone arm has a Shure V15 Type II cartridge mounted on it and the other arm has a very expensive cartridge, and a special module (can't remember the name right now - getting old) must be used with it. I used the Shure to play most recordings and I used the more expensive cartridge to make tapes on my Dragon cassette deck. I bought all my Nakamichi stuff new in 1984-85 when I was stationed in Japan. I will leave instructions to my estate to send my turntable to you when I die. I'm almost deaf, so maybe I should just send it to you now ;-). My kids don't seem to be interested in my Hi-Fi gear. They have their I-pods and their computers with sound cards, CD players, etc. I hope Sharon pulls through his crisis. Looks pretty grim though. James --- Alex Cozac wrote: > Hi James! > > Lovely..which tone arm you selected + cartridge? > > Enjoy such unique table! > > Greetings, > > ALEX! > > > > > > >From: James McAllister > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak of turntables > >Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 05:41:07 -0800 (PST) > > > >Hi, Alex. > > > >I have a Dragon-CT. > > > >James > > > >--- Alex Cozac wrote: > > > > > Hi James! > > > > > > WHICH...the TT-1000 or Dragon? > > > > > > Lovely & very fancy both!!! > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: James McAllister > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak of turntables > > > >Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 04:31:28 -0800 (PST) > > > > > > > >Interesting. I thought I owned the "Nak of > > > >turntables." Mine is made by Nakamichi. > > > > > > > >James > > > > > > > >--- "Dr. Dub" wrote: > > > > > > > > > For about 3 years, I have owned the 'Nak of > > > > > turntables', a J.A. Michell Orbe > > > > > SE with SME series V titanium tonearm. I > hate to > > > see > > > > > this go but due to some > > > > > $-trouble I am forced now to start looking > for a > > > new > > > > > home for my baby. I > > > > > will gladly trade in another good turntable, > > > and/or > > > > > a ZXE/ZXL/CR-7/Dragon. > > > > > She's in very good condition (of course), > comes > > > with > > > > > the Michell QC power > > > > > supply. Drop me a line when interested; best > > > > > regards, pats. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Register your Nak today! > > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com > > > mailinglist > > > >Maintain your account here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! > > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 9 16:06:41 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 07:06:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Hi-Fi World - UK In-Reply-To: <004b01c61503$fd1477a0$76b587d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20060109150641.71127.qmail@web32815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Graham, Whilst young, these guys are professional audio journalists who should have some history. Also, while I talked about the past, even today, many great companies(think Audio Research, Conrad Johnson, VPI, Jeff-Rowland et. ) still turn out great hi end gear. Why are they not talked about? Many of the popular tubes (like the 300B, KT series) were invented in USA, alongside famous circuit topologies. But all I ever hear is how the British have shaped hi-fi. The thing that really cheeses me off, is how Hi-Fi world puts the Garrard 401 on the golden throne while throwing a cursory remark that the Thorens TD124/II is 'very good'. Having heard both, on several occasions, I can make a safe bet that the Thorens will win the Garrard by a wide margin. They also do similiar uglies to Leak tuners. Has David Price ever listened to a McIntosh MR71? Regards Bala Tanya Nelson wrote: Bala Your point is well made but, in fairness, one has to realise that most of the guys writing there are fairly young and won't have had much exposure to early McIntosh, high end Marantz or Scott as they were not sold in great numbers in the UK. When I took my Eico to Haden Boardman, generally recognised as an "expert" with vintage amps in the UK, he'd never heard of Eico, let alone seen one of their amps. (However, he did recognise the circuit straight away as being a an adaptation of an early English amplifier design.) Similarly, there are a number of very nice speakers, turentables and amps from Australia, France, Italy, Germany and other parts of Wester and East Europe, and probably elswhere in the World, that get missed out, too, because they are never landed on these shores unless ik,ported by USAF servicemen! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 09 January 2006 02:15 To: rob at rhoag.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Hi-Fi World - UK I used to be a religious reader of this mag, partly also thanks to their DIY section. Have two shelves of my book cupboard just for their issues. But they seem to be beating about the same bush - Garrard, Leak, JA Mitchell, Naim, Linn etc.. then back again. And for international measures, we have the Yamaha 1000 speakers, Japanese Reel to reel and cassette machines. I get so worked up when I how they talk about things like Leak tuners, and how Quad invented hi-fi. Frank McIntosh, Saul Marantz and Homer Scott never went to school maybe. The day when they acknowledge these annals of audio also, along with the two dozen more I have not mentioned and give a more balanced perspective of audio, I will buy the magazines with more religious fever. Bala ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From craig.jensen at techrizon.com Mon Jan 9 15:58:46 2006 From: craig.jensen at techrizon.com (Jensen, Craig L) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 08:58:46 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] re:New to Naktalk-Help with Nak 600 Message-ID: <33E1632743909749B6FB10ED54410DA50972C9@corpx2.telosok.com> Hi Keith and Kermit You have another 600/600II fan in Southwest Oklahoma. I currently have 3 600IIs and 2 600s. Thanks to Kermit, I have been able to keep them running. They are a little challenging to work on, but when they are resurrected, the sound is wonderful. The help in this forum is fantastic. Now I'm on the search for a 550 that hasn't been destroyed. Craig -----Original Message----- From: Kermit V. Gray [mailto:graker at woods-and-waters.com] Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 3:23 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] re:New to Naktalk-Help with Nak 600 Hi Keith, Keith Dawson wrote: > Like Kermit, I too am a 600 fan. Glad to see another show up on the > Forum. It sometimes seems like Kermit, Bala and I are among the only > hard-core 2-head holdouts here! I've actualy thought of starting a Nakamichi 600 "appreciation society" that would include the 1000, 700, 600, 600-II, 550, 500, 350 and 250. At the very least, I'd have to include the 500 and 550 so mine do not feel slighted. Doubt I'll ever get the time to do it, but I really love these older decks, even the two-head ones. Bala has 22 cassettes, mainly Nakamichis, so I think he has us all beat with regard to passion. I have only two 600-II, one 600, two 550, one 500, one BX-2 (although it's slated to be disposed of) and one 581, which I'm trying to resurrect. I know I could always set my ego aside and send the 581 off to be repaired, but vainly trying to fix the 581 has become sport for me. In truth, the 581 isn't as valuable to me as the other decks. If I sent anything off for repair or restoration it would be the 550 or one ofthe 600 series. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From rossnkiely at gmail.com Mon Jan 9 18:44:42 2006 From: rossnkiely at gmail.com (Ross Kiely) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 12:44:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] hard-core 2-head holdouts /600 fan club In-Reply-To: <14634.212.78.164.66.1136803318.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> References: <003801c61505$5c378500$0201a8c0@lan> <14634.212.78.164.66.1136803318.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <6e1618b40601090944q5069a420p33a7fe8032c21e85@mail.gmail.com> Well I guess if they can iclude a newbie from Canada in the Two Headed race, Wouter, we certainly need your support. Long live the 600!! Ross. On 1/9/06, Wouter Heijke wrote: > > Hey, don't forget about me! > While at first I was a fan of the classic 80's Naks (all ZX decks, LX, ZXE > and ZXL) I'm now also very fascinated by the the 70's decks... > I own a 1000, 500, 550, 250 and 600 and also 3 OEM decks from the 70's: 2 > ELAC decks (CD500 and a CD400) and a Harman Kardon HK-1000! The ELAC decks > are internally a mix of the 550/250/350, amazing to see the parts/boards > they have in common! > > What struck me most is the sound quality when i got my first (working) > 70's Nak a 500! The 250 i have for about 2 months is also a remarkable > deck. > > Wouter > > > > Hey Guy's!.. don't forget me....I am as about as hardcore with respect > to > > two head Naks as you'll ever get!!!.. the most under appreciated branch > of > > Nakdom!. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Ross Kiely-Sound/Lighting Danforth Community Church Toronto, Ontario,Canada. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The help in this forum is fantastic. > > Now I'm on the search for a 550 that hasn't been destroyed. > > Craig > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kermit V. Gray [mailto:graker at woods-and-waters.com] > Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 3:23 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] re:New to Naktalk-Help with Nak 600 > > Hi Keith, > > Keith Dawson wrote: > > Like Kermit, I too am a 600 fan. Glad to see another show up on the > > Forum. It sometimes seems like Kermit, Bala and I are among the only > > hard-core 2-head holdouts here! > > I've actualy thought of starting a Nakamichi 600 "appreciation society" > that would include the 1000, 700, 600, 600-II, 550, 500, 350 and 250. At > the very least, I'd have to include the 500 and 550 so mine do not feel > slighted. Doubt I'll ever get the time to do it, but I really love these > older decks, even the two-head ones. Bala has 22 cassettes, mainly > Nakamichis, so I think he has us all beat with regard to passion. I have > only two 600-II, one 600, two 550, one 500, one BX-2 (although it's > slated to be disposed of) and one 581, which I'm trying to resurrect. > > I know I could always set my ego aside and send the 581 off to be > repaired, but vainly trying to fix the 581 has become sport for me. In > truth, the 581 isn't as valuable to me as the other decks. If I sent > anything off for repair or restoration it would be the 550 or one ofthe > 600 series. > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Ross Kiely-Sound/Lighting Danforth Community Church Toronto, Ontario,Canada. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Gray) Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 13:41:55 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning and demagnetizing tape recorders In-Reply-To: <1d72d94d5d18a190a41e0ff1152b2f09@zoomnet.com.au> References: <20060109003504.70356.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1d72d94d5d18a190a41e0ff1152b2f09@zoomnet.com.au> Message-ID: <43C2BC83.50301@woods-and-waters.com> Hi David, David Thompson wrote: > Kermit > > Thanks for putting up the white paper on cleaning but unfortunately the > download cannot be opened on my eMac. Acrobat says the file is damaged > and cannot be repaired. Tried twice. Can you check you end please? Thanks for the notification! I uploaded the PDF again, then downloaded it onto my older-style iMac, which is similar to your eMac (smaller screen and slower CPU). The PDF opened without problems with Acrobat Reader 5.0. But let me know if you still have trouble with it! > On 09/01/2006, at 10:35 AM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > > Hey Kermit Buddy, > > Wonderful job! > > Regards > Bala > 79 Labs > > */"Kermit V. Gray" /* wrote: > > > Because the topic of tape recorder cleaning comes up often, I've > put a > new white paper on the topic on my web site. Enjoy! > > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/PDF/cleaning_and_demagnetizing.pdf -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graker at woods-and-waters.com Mon Jan 9 20:49:59 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 13:49:59 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] re:New to Naktalk-Help with Nak 600 In-Reply-To: <6e1618b40601081824s1e6e0399s218278a1c1e8e66@mail.gmail.com> References: <018e01c61485$ec5c0fa0$6501a8c0@dell> <6e1618b40601081824s1e6e0399s218278a1c1e8e66@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43C2BE67.6000409@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Ross! Ross Kiely wrote: > On the subject of Older eqipment. My home system consists of a Mcintosh > 2505 Amp, Mcintosh C-28 Preamp, Pioneer Tx-900 Tuner, 4- EPI(epicure) > 4' high speaker Towers, Revox A-77 reel to reel tape machine, and last > but not least, Nakamichi 600(black). Oh, nice memories you're bringing back. I used to have six Revox A77s two PR99 and two B77, but I literally wore out every one of the A77 and PR99, and now havce only one B77. Three of the A77s had my input amp and play amp mods to make them sound cleaner. Never did get their brakes to work well, though. The McIntosh C28 preamp is alegend. Never let it go! I was trying to sell a high-end preamp made with nuvistors (adapted from a studio preamp that was selling well) for home stereos back in the 1970s, but the C28 beat it in the marketplace handily. It's hard to beat the C28! You have a great rig there! > I used to also have a small personal 4trk recording studio in my > house.Alas, the only remains of that are an Otari MX-5050 1/4" 4trk. and > a Rane EQ. which I may incorporate into my above home system someday. Oh wow oh wow man, I'd love to talk you out of your Otari MX-5050. I've been wanting one for my studio for some time but I always get outbid on eBay. > I'm really looking forward to receiving my used 600(silver) purchased > from e-bay. Should be interesting to see the "guts" of a legend up close > and personal!! Ross. You'll enjoy getting Nak guts all over your hands. (Laughing.) -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Jan 9 21:02:11 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 20:02:11 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Hi-Fi World - UK In-Reply-To: <20060109150641.71127.qmail@web32815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <009601c61557$93d844c0$76b587d9@oemcomputer> Fair points, Bala, altho' I do recall seeing one of the Hi Fi World journalists did rate the Thorens 124 ABOVE the Garrards in one article - at least, they said it was probably more "accurate", although they said the Garrard's offered better bass. There again, all of them completely omit to mention the great US turntable of that time made by Fairchild, or the Swiss made Goldring Lencos GL88 and GL99, which some would argue are at least as good as the Garrards. (Personally, I prefer the Lenco design over the Thorens any day.) Indeed, Stephen Sank used to maintain the Fairchild used in the radio stations, with 33.3, 45 and 78 rpm was a far better TT than all the rest put together! As for tuners ... well, they do miss out on some good ones. Of course, the Leak's are amazing, especially given their age. They are detailed, very revealing (you can play "spot the microphone type"!) and they reproduce the tonal colours of instruments wonderfully. (I have several tuners and my mono Leak is my favourite, even over a Sony ST5950SD, which also gets a mention in Hi Fi World, but I knew about it well before they did - it's very good but too heavy on the higher spectrum), the much lauded Quad FM4 (nice tuner for falling asleep to ...) and my other favourite (I have two!), the Sugden T28. The Suggie is, I reckon, one of the bargains in hi fi on the 2nd hand market. Usually much cheaper than a Leak but it sounds very much like a top of the line Naim ... but it doesn't get a mention in Hi Fi World ... and it's a BRITISH tuner, too!! But you won't see any mention of H J Scott, Dynaco/kit, or Eico tuners of the same period as the Leak's. There's not much mention of some of the other "great" British names of that time, either, like Radford or Armstrong. Of course, those who know, already pay big bucks for the Radfords, but the Armstrongs are, and always were, the Cinderella's of that age in British hi fi. But it seems to me that many of these guys writing in the hi fi magazines are/were hi fi enthusiats/retailers/designers ever before they became journalists. I'd bet most of them never even attended a school of journalism and got their jobs on the merit of their ability to write and their specialist knowledge, not their complete knowledge or any learning about how to conduct research ... I mean, it seems to me they rarely bother to go out to LOOK for products, they just wait for them to come to them! So, if a maker doesn't want his product to be reviewed in a magazine all he needs to do is not bother to tell the journalist that it exists! (After all, not all of them WOULD want to have their product reviewed, not because it it's rubbish but because one bad and biased review can kill a product stone dead just as one biased good one can create a cult status that is quite undeserved. Remember the Pioneer A400? What a load hype and codswallop was written about that so-called "giant killer". If they were any better than the crop of Rotel, Marantz, Sony, Technics, etc, around at the time, it would have been only a smidgen better, but to my ear ... frankly, I didn't like the amp at all.) These these hi fi journalists get a very narrow perspective on their world. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 09 January 2006 15:07 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Hi-Fi World - UK Hi Graham, Whilst young, these guys are professional audio journalists who should have some history. Also, while I talked about the past, even today, many great companies(think Audio Research, Conrad Johnson, VPI, Jeff-Rowland et. ) still turn out great hi end gear. Why are they not talked about? Many of the popular tubes (like the 300B, KT series) were invented in USA, alongside famous circuit topologies. But all I ever hear is how the British have shaped hi-fi. The thing that really cheeses me off, is how Hi-Fi world puts the Garrard 401 on the golden throne while throwing a cursory remark that the Thorens TD124/II is 'very good'. 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Does > anyone have an electronic copy they can email > to me or have a handle on a site where I can > download it from? > > TIA, > > -- Ron > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Ross Kiely-Sound/Lighting Danforth Community Church Toronto, Ontario,Canada. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Mon Jan 9 21:34:24 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 15:34:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] re:New to Naktalk-Help with Nak 600 In-Reply-To: <43C2BE67.6000409@woods-and-waters.com> References: <018e01c61485$ec5c0fa0$6501a8c0@dell> <6e1618b40601081824s1e6e0399s218278a1c1e8e66@mail.gmail.com> <43C2BE67.6000409@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <43C2C8D0.7000608@yahoo.ca> And if I tell what's in my systems I'm gonna see a lot of question marks in your eyes... System 1: h/k hk670 Twin Powered receiver Nak BX-2 tape deck Sony CDP-295 cd player Technics SL-B200 turntable(T4P) -- Grado Prestige Black cart. Toshiba PC-G22 tape deck Hitachi Canada HFC-271 speakers System 2: Toshiba SB-M22 amp Toshiba ST-U22 tuner Sony CDP-XE300 cd player Superscope CD-330 tape deck Yorkville Traynor CS-1012H speakers Others: Uher 2200 Report IC R2R 2x EICO HF-12 (Waiting for rebuild) EICO HFT-90 (Waiting for rebuild / adj.) A cheapo Hitachi FT-??? tuner. DIY speakers -- coming soon! Sony PlayStation SCPH-1001(need new transport) cd player Antoine Deschênes Kermit V. Gray a écrit : > Hi Ross! > > Ross Kiely wrote: >> On the subject of Older eqipment. My home system consists of a >> Mcintosh 2505 Amp, Mcintosh C-28 Preamp, Pioneer Tx-900 Tuner, 4- >> EPI(epicure) 4' high speaker Towers, Revox A-77 reel to reel tape >> machine, and last but not least, Nakamichi 600(black). > Oh, nice memories you're bringing back. I used to have six Revox A77s > two PR99 and two B77, but I literally wore out every one of the A77 > and PR99, and now havce only one B77. Three of the A77s had my input > amp and play amp mods to make them sound cleaner. Never did get their > brakes to work well, though. The McIntosh C28 preamp is alegend. Never > let it go! I was trying to sell a high-end preamp made with nuvistors > (adapted from a studio preamp that was selling well) for home stereos > back in the 1970s, but the C28 beat it in the marketplace handily. > It's hard to beat the C28! You have a great rig there! >> I used to also have a small personal 4trk recording studio in my >> house.Alas, the only remains of that are an Otari MX-5050 1/4" 4trk. >> and a Rane EQ. which I may incorporate into my above home system >> someday. > Oh wow oh wow man, I'd love to talk you out of your Otari MX-5050. > I've been wanting one for my studio for some time but I always get > outbid on eBay. >> I'm really looking forward to receiving my used 600(silver) purchased >> from e-bay. Should be interesting to see the "guts" of a legend up >> close and personal!! Ross. > You'll enjoy getting Nak guts all over your hands. (Laughing.) From rob at rhoag.com Mon Jan 9 22:22:27 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 13:22:27 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Hi-Fi World - UK In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Anyone there??? Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Doane Hoag Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 5:53 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Hi-Fi World - UK Would love to see this article in the February issue of Hi-Fi World, REEL LIVING "Thanks to the specialists at Bowers & Wilkins Ltd., Nakamichi cassette decks will run and run, says David Price." but we don't get it over here in the USA where I live and the subscription is pretty high $60UK = $80US ? Anyway, if anyone has the issue and wants to copy the article and post it that would be really great. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Mark Caton Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 1:17 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Hi-Fi World - UK Nice article in this month’s edition, with a 3 page article on owning and servicing old Naks, with a strong link and interview with Bowers&Wilkins. Also some pictures of a 600, restored and on the bench. £3.60 of our british pounds. Mark ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The point remains, however, that they are old machines and buyers should keep that in mind. best, Fred On Jan 5, 2006, at 11:33 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > Hi Fred, > > I just want you to know that I am not the only Nakamichi expert at > E.S. Labs. Most of the cassette decks are serviced by Erik, the > perfectionist! We work as a team! Therefore, "Galinized" won't fly. > > These days, I am just a troubleshooter when in need and that is not > too often. I'm buried in paperwork and on a mission to find > replacement parts. > > By the way, a ZX-7 can't be more than 25 years old. > > Sincerely, > Jeff Galin ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. 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All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From jeff at eslabs.com Tue Jan 10 01:37:19 2006 From: jeff at eslabs.com (jeff at eslabs.com) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 19:37:19 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-& EQ Mod References: <20060106153332.2630.qmail@web33311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <06be01c61581$ac782fc0$6401a8c0@SONYNOTEBOOK> Kannan, Roberts machine does NOT have the Nakamichi published EQ mod., the EQ components were hand picked and chosen for a flat frequency response, when recorded at -20, with the bias set at it's proper point. Of coarse, the playback EQ was tweaked first using Nakamichi standards as the reference. Every machine is different due to the differences between the other components and the variations in the heads as well as the tapes used for the record alignment. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: kannan srinivasaraghavan To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-& EQ Mod I had a CR7 which went to Graham (in UK after this Rec equalization MOD ) which was pre Mod Deck. When I received it without mod - it sounded dull on the HF on almost all tapes but was very quite in the S/N section. Only after doing the Mod , I found that the CR 7 records to the original HF response ( monitoring Source to Tape). As Stephen Sank said , Nakamichi had infact missed correcting it from te beginning but blamed tape formulation more than their own short comings. Infact the CR 7 board contains Pcb holes for inserting these addditional components indicating that the Nakamichi designers have considered these circuite elements but somehow the implementing team had left out the parts ( for what reason I do not understand) So this Record equalization mod is a must for any CR 7 that does not have it. Robert' CR 7 infact has the mod installed ( without which it would not sound that well). We used his CR7A for the San francisco Nak marathon recording and no doubt the best for that occasion. People complain about CR7 A of sounding thin infact should listen to Stephen Sank touched machine - generally CR 7A has the most transparent recording provided it is correctly aligned. Again I should add that the CR7 should be aligned before judging it. Large number of decks without alignment can be disappointing in Nak models. Very few can beat the simple calibration and quality of record / play performance of CR7. I always wished a Dragon had the CR7 electronics and calibration process. Kannan rjkent at comcast.net wrote: Hi Ron, Paul, Ron, The Nakamichi Service Information bulletin for the EQ Modification is No. 00D-M-0298 from May of 1987. Ti Kan's earlier description of the purpose of the mod. is essentially correct. It was not intended as an upgrade to the IEC2 specification, but rather a response to some tape manufacturer's response curves on certain tapes that were boosted in the high range to give brighter sound in lesser decks. These tapes, like the TDK SA-X would not auto-calibrate correctly on the CR-7 when using Dolby C. As Ron already mentioned, Nakamichi did not recommend that the mod be done on all CR-7s.....only when requested by customers due to their particular tape preferences. It was the equivalent of a silent recall at the time. I am aware that Steven Sank is not a true believer in this explanation (thanks Ron for saving me from quoting Steven's hand written note), but here is a partial quote from the bulletin: "Some cassette tapes on the market have frequency response raised in the high-frequency range (above 15kHz) under the name of improvement.........These tapes, although con! forming to the IEC standard, have characteristics far from those of the reference tapes used by Nakamichi. When such a cassette tape is loaded in the CR-7 and, after auto calibration, music is recorded with Dolby NR set to C-type, the played back music has the auditory effect of "decreased frequency response in the high frequency range". The modification is, according to Nakamichi, to correct this problem. My CR-7 was modded by ESL a few years ago and performs wonderfully. I'm not sure if they implemented the exact changes outlined in the bulletin, or if they do a little custom design work of their own, but it works great. I do all of my recording on my CR-7, and play back on my Dragon, CR-5, CR-4s, 670ZX, 682ZX, and RX-505 with very nice results using a mixture of tapes including the SA-X.. I know Ti Kan did the mod himself on his CR-7 and was very happy with the results. Paul wrote: >Hi, Ron: >The recording eq "correction" and gear update is needed for CR7's pre-S/N >A130-08677. I seem to remember it was an issue between IEC1 and IEC2 > standards and the sweet permalloy heads all Nak triple head decks use. >The equalization upgrade was incorporated in production aft! er S/N >A130-08677, during the last quarter of 1985. >I've never heard a CR7 before this update (Stephen Sank reworked mine >immediately after a purchase), but I can tell you the post-mod sound is wonderful. >However, all the recent discussion has led me to believe that a ZX9 needs to >be in my future..... >Paul -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yahoo! 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The Tale of The Pirate Nakamichi References: <03ab01c610b8$036d27f0$6401a8c0@Rondo><43BC582E.8070300@woods-and-waters.com> <0a0801c61238$ad60f940$6401a8c0@Rondo> Message-ID: <06bf01c61581$ad04df60$6401a8c0@SONYNOTEBOOK> W1LOP Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Walton To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 3:43 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy New Year! The Tale of The Pirate Nakamichi That is all very interesting! Designing AM broadcast antennas is what I do for a living. What kind of antenna did he come up with for you? How tall was it? I am a Ham operator. Any one here in the group a Ham? Ron W. : Re: [naktalk] Happy New Year! The Tale of The Pirate Nakamichi Hi Ron, Ron Walton wrote: > Are you an Amateur Operator as well? For some, that would be a Ham > Radio Operator I suppose. No, but my friend Alan, who designed my antenna, is. During my apprenticeship I worked part-time making advertsing and PSA tapes for AM broadcasts, and my mentor was a broadcast engineer at a local daytimer, as well as being an avid Ham radio guy. Even did the slow-scan tv, which was pretty interesting. I showed him my transmitter. He remarked it had the best AUDIO circuitry he'd ever seen in a transmitter but the RF sections were mediocre. He suggested I replace my awful Hartley local oscillator (which was made of scavenged parts -- I used the primary of an push-pull plate-to-voice coil transformer as one of the inductors) with a crystal oscillator and he loaned me a set of crystals for each available frequency. He also remarked that a 6L6 isn't really the best choice for an RF power amp, andsuggested I should have chosen a tube made for the purpose. Hey, it was a lark, and the whole transmitter was made of scrap parts. Hooking up fine audio gear, like the Nak 550 and the Dual 1218, was sort of overkill but that was a big part of the fun. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Jan 10 02:50:33 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 20:50:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-& EQ Mod In-Reply-To: <06be01c61581$ac782fc0$6401a8c0@SONYNOTEBOOK> References: <20060106153332.2630.qmail@web33311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <06be01c61581$ac782fc0$6401a8c0@SONYNOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <43C312E9.2050201@rcn.com> > *From:* kannan srinivasaraghavan > [...] Infact the CR 7 > board contains Pcb holes for inserting these addditional components > indicating that the Nakamichi designers have considered these circuite > elements but somehow the implementing team had left out the parts ( for > what reason I do not understand) I find this a bit perplexing... When I installed the mod into my CR-7a, following the Nakamichi service bulletin, there were no PCB holes for the added components. In fact, the service bulletin instructs to do things like installing two wires into the same hole or connecting components up in the air. (It happens that this can be done very neatly, even when large polypropylene capacitors are used, if one is willing to take the time.) I always assumed that when Nakamichi implemented the mod in production units, they used a modified PCB -- but not before. -- Ron From ti at amb.org Tue Jan 10 03:18:51 2006 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 18:18:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] CR-& EQ Mod In-Reply-To: <43C312E9.2050201@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20060110021851.CA08925C4C@smtp.amb.org> Ron writes: > > *From:* kannan srinivasaraghavan > > [...] Infact the CR 7 > > board contains Pcb holes for inserting these addditional components > > indicating that the Nakamichi designers have considered these circuite > > elements but somehow the implementing team had left out the parts ( for > > what reason I do not understand) > > I find this a bit perplexing... When I installed > the mod into my CR-7a, following the Nakamichi > service bulletin, there were no PCB holes for the > added components. In fact, the service bulletin > instructs to do things like installing two wires > into the same hole or connecting components up in > the air. (It happens that this can be done very > neatly, even when large polypropylene capacitors > are used, if one is willing to take the time.) In my case, all of the parts went into existing unpopulated pcb holes, except for two of these (one per channel) you had to make a special contraption consisting of a capacitor and two resistors connected in a series-parallel fashion to put into the pcb. This was all outlined exactly as specified in the Nakamichi tech bulletin. -Ti From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue Jan 10 04:21:07 2006 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 19:21:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] CR-& EQ Mod In-Reply-To: <06be01c61581$ac782fc0$6401a8c0@SONYNOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <20060110032107.31310.qmail@web33305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks Jeff for the clarification. I have not looked inside Robert' CR 7A but we decided that CR 7 will be the deck of choice and found our choice to have worked well at that time. I happen to do the recording for all the participant's choice at that occasion. However - i understand that ESlabs had not used nak recommended method but CR 7 needed modification anyway to function satisfactorily with all tapes when its auto calibration is used. Can you tell us why ES labs had not chosen Nakamichi recommended method if that is not specific proprietary technique. Kannan jeff at eslabs.com wrote: Kannan, Roberts machine does NOT have the Nakamichi published EQ mod., the EQ components were hand picked and chosen for a flat frequency response, when recorded at -20, with the bias set at it's proper point. Of coarse, the playback EQ was tweaked first using Nakamichi standards as the reference. Every machine is different due to the differences between the other components and the variations in the heads as well as the tapes used for the record alignment. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: kannan srinivasaraghavan To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-& EQ Mod I had a CR7 which went to Graham (in UK after this Rec equalization MOD ) which was pre Mod Deck. When I received it without mod - it sounded dull on the HF on almost all tapes but was very quite in the S/N section. Only after doing the Mod , I found that the CR 7 records to the original HF response ( monitoring Source to Tape). As Stephen Sank said , Nakamichi had infact missed correcting it from te beginning but blamed tape formulation more than their own short comings. Infact the CR 7 board contains Pcb holes for inserting these addditional components indicating that the Nakamichi designers have considered these circuite elements but somehow the implementing team had left out the parts ( for what reason I do not understand) So this Record equalization mod is a must for any CR 7 that does not have it. Robert' CR 7 infact has the mod installed ( without which it would not sound that well). We used his CR7A for the San francisco Nak marathon recording and no doubt the best for that occasion. People complain about CR7 A of sounding thin infact should listen to Stephen Sank touched machine - generally CR 7A has the most transparent recording provided it is correctly aligned. Again I should add that the CR7 should be aligned before judging it. Large number of decks without alignment can be disappointing in Nak models. Very few can beat the simple calibration and quality of record / play performance of CR7. I always wished a Dragon had the CR7 electronics and calibration process. Kannan rjkent at comcast.net wrote: Hi Ron, Paul, Ron, The Nakamichi Service Information bulletin for the EQ Modification is No. 00D-M-0298 from May of 1987. Ti Kan’s earlier description of the purpose of the mod. is essentially correct. It was not intended as an upgrade to the IEC2 specification, but rather a response to some tape manufacturer’s response curves on certain tapes that were boosted in the high range to give brighter sound in lesser decks. These tapes, like the TDK SA-X would not auto-calibrate correctly on the CR-7 when using Dolby C. As Ron already mentioned, Nakamichi did not recommend that the mod be done on all CR-7s.....only when requested by customers due to their particular tape preferences. It was the equivalent of a silent recall at the time. I am aware that Steven Sank is not a true believer in this explanation (thanks Ron for saving me from quoting Steven's hand written note), but here is a partial quote from the bulletin: “Some cassette tapes on the market have frequency response raised in the high-frequency range (above 15kHz) under the name of improvement.........These tapes, although con! forming to the IEC standard, have characteristics far from those of the reference tapes used by Nakamichi. When such a cassette tape is loaded in the CR-7 and, after auto calibration, music is recorded with Dolby NR set to C-type, the played back music has the auditory effect of “decreased frequency response in the high frequency range”. The modification is, according to Nakamichi, to correct this problem. My CR-7 was modded by ESL a few years ago and performs wonderfully. I’m not sure if they implemented the exact changes outlined in the bulletin, or if they do a little custom design work of their own, but it works great. I do all of my recording on my CR-7, and play back on my Dragon, CR-5, CR-4s, 670ZX, 682ZX, and RX-505 with very nice results using a mixture of tapes including the SA-X.. I know Ti Kan did the mod himself on his CR-7 and was very happy with the results. Paul wrote: >Hi, Ron: >The recording eq "correction" and gear update is needed for CR7's pre-S/N >A130-08677. I seem to remember it was an issue between IEC1 and IEC2 > standards and the sweet permalloy heads all Nak triple head decks use. >The equalization upgrade was incorporated in production aft! er S/N >A130-08677, during the last quarter of 1985. >I've never heard a CR7 before this update (Stephen Sank reworked mine >immediately after a purchase), but I can tell you the post-mod sound is wonderful. >However, all the recent discussion has led me to believe that a ZX9 needs to >be in my future..... >Paul --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. 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When I installed the mod into my CR-7a, following the Nakamichi service bulletin, there were no PCB holes for the added components. In fact, the service bulletin instructs to do things like installing two wires into the same hole or connecting components up in the air. (It happens that this can be done very neatly, even when large polypropylene capacitors are used, if one is willing to take the time.) I always assumed that when Nakamichi implemented the mod in production units, they used a modified PCB -- but not before. -- Ron ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 10 04:48:09 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 19:48:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] CR-& EQ Mod In-Reply-To: <20060110033955.5431.qmail@web33313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060110034809.23997.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Perhaps Ron and Kannan are looking at two different revisions of the same board? kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: Ron I have seen this PCB locations on the board - more than two machines and Nak mod shows these very clearly with instructions, I feel you might have missed noticing it. Kannan Ron wrote: > *From:* kannan srinivasaraghavan > [...] Infact the CR 7 > board contains Pcb holes for inserting these addditional components > indicating that the Nakamichi designers have considered these circuite > elements but somehow the implementing team had left out the parts ( for > what reason I do not understand) I find this a bit perplexing... When I installed the mod into my CR-7a, following the Nakamichi service bulletin, there were no PCB holes for the added components. In fact, the service bulletin instructs to do! things like installing two wires into the same hole or connecting components up in the air. (It happens that this can be done very neatly, even when large polypropylene capacitors are used, if one is willing to take the time.) I always assumed that when Nakamichi implemented the mod in production units, they used a modified PCB -- but not before. -- Ron ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Got holiday prints? 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See below, but first I feel I have someway to go before slepping out on my pallias with a straw in my mouth sucking beer whilst listening to a Nak playing Fink Ployd..... Shaun I am glad you made it thru that time. I was never nor ever have been a fan of alcohol, reluctance to pay voluntary taxes to governments has got something to do with it. Not that Im being holier than thou ........read on: my worse case scenario was on acid on the roof of a Tantric Monastery in the Himalaya's whilst listening to Jimi Hendrix's first posthumous Ezy Rider LP recorded on my mark 2 Sony Walkman. That was quite a night ....... a few days later I met H.H. The Dalai Lama ....... and things changed rapidly since then! Ho Hum. It was interesting to hear about what you have had to come thru Kermit with Neurosurgery. Your quality of life appears from this distance to be very high .......thats wonderful. You sure do mention the 550 quite a lot ...... its quite a challenge to me to believe how good it is in view of its age. I thought my Sony TC152 was the bees knees when I got it to try and bootleg the University rock concerts. And yes we even had Pink Floyd ...... I dont remember too much dancing that night! But I do remember the batteries failing on me! Thanks also Kermit for the explanation re Nak reproduction of non Nak tapes. I am still having a hard time believing what info is on some of our most ancient normal C120 tapes that have irreplaceable Indian Music from the 60's and very early 70's. A real favourite tape of ours is a Memorex c90 ....... possiby a pseudo ferrochrome. My wife and I found out real early that we were the only people we knew who knew anything about Indiam Music. Lise even studied the Sitar. So some of this music is/was really seminal in our relationship. However back to these ancient tapes. There is high and low frequency detail on this Memorex that we have never heard and quite possibly no one has ever heard. Recorded by a previous boyfriend of Lises' from a B & O record deck onto a B & O low level cassette deck ..... possibly a pre Dolby in circa 1973.... one can hear the record decks rumble. Anyway joy is unconfined hearing these tunes better than ever before. Again I am grateful to the Nakamichi's for making this possible. I'd like to state that I receive the Nak forum via digests. My own connection to the web is often tenous via a modem and dial up so visiting the actual web or browsing in general is sometimes really difficult. We live quite remotely in the hills of Southern Scotland to far from the exchange at present to get adsl ...... I mention this to explain why I dont reply to separate threads ..... separately...... its too much hassle to post separate posts when one might get cut off due to noise on the line. Satellite 2 way is too expensive and one way seems flakey by most reports AND the profile of the hills to our South make it marginal anyway ... so unless you know otherwise we cant get easy web access. So the next thread Im picking up on is Bala's views about UK & US top end/ founding fathers hi fi Re McIntosh Amps etc ...... I knew of them in the early 70's via the Hi Fi year books and "Hi Fi News and Record Review"....... boy was that a staid organ! I drooled over these legendary amps but no one imported them to UK, and non existed on the 2nd hand market. So I went for a Radford STA15 set up with Quad electrostatics. Very delicate but zero bass. Loved the radford but ran out of cash in the late 80's so sold it to the head of Technics UK ..... which I thought was cool. Speakers went to Brian Eno's wife ..... alas they were separated by then as I love his music big time then. So US stuff in particular amps was rated by the mags I read and later the Krells, Levinsons, Cello tone adjusters (!), But US speakers were still viewed as below par ....... like most Japanese Speakers ..... exceptions being your klipsch and the Yam ns1000's etc. However I hear that like the French and their apples only the rubbish kit was exported ......... and the best stuff only sold at home. You are right that Quad had an easy ride for years in the UK press but flopped big time when Linn, meridiam, Naim came along ....... I think they finally stopped producing amps etc last year after being sold on all over the place. Which is what happened to Leak ..... they were bought by Rank, who are now best known for selling flour for bread making! nakamichi was clearly an exception to this (only general) rule. However the remarks about Leak and Sugden tuners are making me ebay itchy I thought it was Sansui and some early Yamahas that folks liked ....... a Leak or Quad eh ...... hmmmm. In the UK we are 'transiting towards a digital radio nirvana ..... according to what we are supposed to believe .... I believe the FM will get closed down in 2012 and we will be all digital after that ...... I am not interested in DX'ing far away fm stations.. will fm tuners be kaput after 2012? On reflection I feel most contries have their reputation icons, their touchstone products. In Holland Phillips is still rated highly! My wife is from Denmark and no Dane knows anything about Ortofon cartridges in my experience but Danes assume that B & O electronics are as classy as the looks of the equipment ......... which is not my experience at all ...... I like its looks all thru its ages but very few sound great shakes. Even the Great British KEF and B & W make most money nowdays from the weirdness that 5.1 tv stuff requires. The idea of having a room full of speakers to watch the 'Slime coming out of the TV set' seems daft to me ....... I want to watch less tv not more of it and not have too many rooms cluttered with modern technology However in spite of remarks about Garrard 401's I"M LOOKING forward to getting this iconic piece of kit, setting it up as best as I can and enjoying it irrespective of Hi fi worlds notions. I had never heard of that magazine but hope I can order a copy tomorrow over the phone to read about B&W. I have put a bid on ebay on a DR3 at 40 pounds ....... possibly with a view to giving it to my brother as a gift for his 401 ....... if I win it. Any quick views on this deck ...... its 2 header very topical on the forum at present. See ebay 5850532004 for details or lack of them! I dont feel drawn to chase it its just that its local-ish peace Ian r scotland From earthrite at gn.apc.org Tue Jan 10 02:47:09 2006 From: earthrite at gn.apc.org (earthrite at gn.apc.org) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 01:47:09 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] loads of set up tapes and guages .......but the snag is.... Message-ID: Hi Nakofiles A lot of Nak set up tapes and spares in turkey. see eaby 5850576330 and check out other items for sale or do a global Nakamichi search on ebay However the seller doesnt accept paypal so heavens only knows .......however some fascinating items loads and loads of set up tapes and gauges! Blimey Ian r From cestmoi at att.net Tue Jan 10 05:07:22 2006 From: cestmoi at att.net (Richard Obenauf) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 04:07:22 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Ham Radio Message-ID: <011020060407.8363.43C332F9000EFD73000020AB21612436460701039B9C0A0C@att.net> Don't reply much here but I've been reading Naktalk for years. I'm a senior at UNM in Albuquerque (alas, studying English), and I've been a licensed ham since I was 14. All the old timers told me that I would lose time for the hobby when I discovered girls, and they were right. I have my late grandfather's first call sign, W5GUZ. Richard -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: > W1LOP > > Jeff > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ron Walton > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 3:43 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy New Year! The Tale of The Pirate Nakamichi > > > That is all very interesting! Designing AM broadcast antennas is what I do for > a living. What kind of antenna did he come up with for you? How tall was it? > > I am a Ham operator. Any one here in the group a Ham? > > Ron W. > From wontulp at zoomnet.com.au Tue Jan 10 10:21:13 2006 From: wontulp at zoomnet.com.au (David Thompson) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:21:13 +1000 Subject: [Possible SPAM] Re: [naktalk] Cleaning and demagnetizing tape recorders In-Reply-To: <43C2BC83.50301@woods-and-waters.com> References: <20060109003504.70356.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1d72d94d5d18a190a41e0ff1152b2f09@zoomnet.com.au> <43C2BC83.50301@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <1c699b4af11fe07807133eab9bf183a3@zoomnet.com.au> Bingo! No problem this time. Thanks for the useful resource. David On 10/01/2006, at 5:41 AM, Kermit V. Gray wrote: > Hi David, > > David Thompson wrote: >> Kermit >> Thanks for putting up the white paper on cleaning but unfortunately >> the download cannot be opened on my eMac. Acrobat says the file is >> damaged and cannot be repaired. Tried twice. Can you check you end >> please? > > Thanks for the notification! I uploaded the PDF again, then downloaded > it onto my older-style iMac, which is similar to your eMac (smaller > screen and slower CPU). The PDF opened without problems with Acrobat > Reader 5.0. But let me know if you still have trouble with it! > >> On 09/01/2006, at 10:35 AM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >> Hey Kermit Buddy, >> Wonderful job! >> Regards >> Bala >> 79 Labs >> */"Kermit V. Gray" /* wrote: >> Because the topic of tape recorder cleaning comes up often, >> I've >> put a >> new white paper on the topic on my web site. Enjoy! >> >> http://www.woods-and-waters.com/audio/PDF/ >> cleaning_and_demagnetizing.pdf > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > From dubsyndrome at hotmail.com Tue Jan 10 10:31:00 2006 From: dubsyndrome at hotmail.com (Dr. Dub) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:31:00 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nak of turntables In-Reply-To: <200601091749.k09Hn4RM024156@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Haha, of course; the TT1000 and the Dragon CT with their incredible self-centering platter are unique in their kind, but in terms of sound (to my ears;-) John Michell made the true ZXL of turntables with the Orbe. Reviews in Hi-Fi World and What's Hi-Fi say enough in that respect;-) But to be honest, I stil regret to have let go the Dragon CT when I had the chance to get me one :'( From logosfire at gmail.com Tue Jan 10 11:32:08 2006 From: logosfire at gmail.com (Logosfire) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:32:08 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 700ZXL Message-ID: <55f362cf0601100232l7bde166ameb88359a89b4e0b@mail.gmail.com> Newly acquired Nak 700ZXL(all orange caps have been replaced by previous owner) with all connectors,vol controls,switches and VR etc are throughly cleaned with electronic cleaning fluid and cured most problems mentioned previously and right now the only detected problem remains : unwanted noise induced listening through headphone in both tape and source mood only when the play-mood is engaged with tape when listening at source mood the noise is at maximun with vol control at minimum and decreases accordingly as you turn the vol control clock-wise and the noise is gone after position 3 o`clock. Where`s the noise coming from? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeff at eslabs.com Tue Jan 10 14:42:01 2006 From: jeff at eslabs.com (jeff at eslabs.com) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:42:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-& EQ Mod References: <20060110032107.31310.qmail@web33305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00b901c615ec$2985af50$6401a8c0@SONYNOTEBOOK> Kannan, Not all machines perform the same, therefore the EQ needs to be tweaked on each to get the best results. We recommend the use of Maxell XLII over the "S" version. The XLII has been a consistent excellent performer over it's more than 30 year life span. We can't say the same for most other tapes. If you are not using the Maxell XLIIS or the TDK SAX exclusively, then this modification is will screw-up the frequency response for the use of MA, XLII & SA. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: kannan srinivasaraghavan To: jeff at eslabs.com ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 10:21 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-& EQ Mod Thanks Jeff for the clarification. I have not looked inside Robert' CR 7A but we decided that CR 7 will be the deck of choice and found our choice to have worked well at that time. I happen to do the recording for all the participant's choice at that occasion. However - i understand that ESlabs had not used nak recommended method but CR 7 needed modification anyway to function satisfactorily with all tapes when its auto calibration is used. Can you tell us why ES labs had not chosen Nakamichi recommended method if that is not specific proprietary technique. Kannan jeff at eslabs.com wrote: Kannan, Roberts machine does NOT have the Nakamichi published EQ mod., the EQ components w! ere hand picked and chosen for a flat frequency response, when recorded at -20, with the bias set at it's proper point. Of coarse, the playback EQ was tweaked first using Nakamichi standards as the reference. Every machine is different due to the differences between the other components and the variations in the heads as well as the tapes used for the record alignment. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: kannan srinivasaraghavan To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-& EQ Mod ! I had a CR7 which went to Graham (in UK after this Rec equalization MOD ) which was pre Mod Deck. When I received it without mod - it sounded dull on the HF on almost all tapes but was very quite in the S/N section. Only after doing the Mod , I found that the CR 7 records to the original HF response ( monitoring Source to Tape). As Stephen Sank said , Nakamichi had infact missed correcting it from te beginning but blamed tape formulation more than their own short comings. Infact the CR 7 board contains Pcb holes for inserting these addditional components indicating that the Nakamichi designers have considered these circuite elements but somehow the implementing team had left out the parts ( for what reason I do not understand) So this Record equalization mod is a must for any CR 7 that does not have it. Robert' CR 7 infact has the mod installed ( without which it would not sound that well). We used his CR7A for the San francisco N! ak marathon recording and no doubt the best for that occasion. People complain about CR7 A of sounding thin infact should listen to Stephen Sank touched machine - generally CR 7A has the most transparent recording provided it is correctly aligned. Again I should add that the CR7 should be aligned before judging it. Large number of decks without alignment can be disappointing in Nak models. Very few can beat the simple calibration and quality of record / play performance of CR7. I always wished a Dragon had the CR7 electronics and calibration process. Kannan rjkent at comcast.net wrote: Hi Ron, Paul, Ron, The Nakamichi Service Information bulletin for the EQ Modification is No. 00D-M-0298 from May of 1987. Ti Kan's earlier description of the purpose of the mod. is essentially correct. It was not intended as an upgrade to the IEC2 specification, but rather a response to some tape manufacturer's response curves on certain tapes that were boosted in the high range to give brighter sound in lesser decks. These tapes, like the TDK SA-X would not auto-calibrate correctly on the CR-7 when using Dolby C. As Ron already mentioned, Nakamichi did not recommend that the mod be done on all CR-7s.....only when requested by customers due to their particular tape preferences. It was the equivalent of a silent recall at the time. I am aware that Steven Sank is not a true believer in this explanation (thanks Ron for saving me from quoting Steven's hand written note), but here is a partial quote from the bulletin: "Some cassette tapes on the market have frequency response raised in the high-frequency range (above 15kHz) under the name of improvement.........These tape! s, although con! forming to the IEC standard, have characteristics far from those of the reference tapes used by Nakamichi. When such a cassette tape is loaded in the CR-7 and, after auto calibration, music is recorded with Dolby NR set to C-type, the played back music has the auditory effect of "decreased frequency response in the high frequency range". The modification is, according to Nakamichi, to correct this problem. My CR-7 was modded by ESL a few years ago and performs wonderfully. I'm not sure if they implemented the exact changes outlined in the bulletin, or if they do a little custom design work of their own, but it works great. I do all of my recording on my CR-7, and play back on my Dragon, CR-5, CR-4s, 670ZX, 682ZX, and RX-505 with very nice results using a mixture of tapes including the SA-X.. I know Ti Kan did the mod himself on his CR-7 and was very happy with the results. Paul wrote: >Hi, Ron: >The recording eq "correction" and gear update is needed for CR7's pre-S/N >A130-08677. I seem to remember it was an issue between IEC1 and IEC2 > standards and the sweet permalloy heads all Nak triple head decks use. >The equalization upgrade was incorporated in pr! oduction aft! er S/N >A130-08677, during the last quarter of 1985. >I've never heard a CR7 before this update (Stephen Sank reworked mine >immediately after a purchase), but I can tell you the post-mod sound is wonderful. >However, all the recent discussion has led me to believe that a ZX9 needs to >be in my future..... >Paul ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. 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Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Jan 10 15:00:51 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:00:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-& EQ Mod In-Reply-To: <20060110034809.23997.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060110034809.23997.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43C3BE13.9090207@rcn.com> Bala, Ti, Kannan, My version of the board is the same as shown in the Nak bulletin and CR-7 service manual. It made no allowance for the mod. Some new components fit into holes vacated by removed components (where it was simply a value change) but some *added* components had be be 'kludged in' as was the assembly mentioned by Ti (R001, R122 and C001, where R122 is a *replaced* component but R001 and C001 are *added* components). All I am saying is that I don't think Nakamichi designed the PCB for the mod, but refrained from building it in. That would be dishonourable, as they would be deliberately giving customers less than what they paid for. I feel Nakamichi Engineering were very conscientious and would not have stooped to do that. I wish I felt the same way about Nakamichi Marketing... -- Ron Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Perhaps Ron and Kannan are looking at two different revisions of the > same board? > > > > */kannan srinivasaraghavan /* wrote: > > Ron > I have seen this PCB locations on the board - more than two machines > and Nak mod shows these very clearly with instructions, I feel you > might have missed noticing it. > Kannan > > */Ron /* wrote: > > > > > *From:* kannan srinivasaraghavan > > [...] Infact the CR 7 > > board contains Pcb holes for inserting these addditional > components > > indicating that the Nakamichi designers have considered these > circuite > > elements but ! somehow the implementing team had left out the > parts ( for > > what reason I do not understand) > > I find this a bit perplexing... When I installed > the mod into my CR-7a, following the Nakamichi > service bulletin, there were no PCB holes for the > added components. In fact, the service bulletin > instructs to do! things like installing two wires > into the same hole or connecting components up in > the air. (It happens that this can be done very > neatly, even when large polypropylene capacitors > are used, if one is willing to take the time.) > > I always assumed that when Nakamichi implemented > the mod in production units, they used a modified > PCB -- but not before. > > -- Ron From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 10 15:56:44 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 06:56:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nak of turntables In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060110145644.30206.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Dr Dub, I don;t think the Orbe quite makes the ZXL standard. Perhaps the ZX standard. The ZXL has to be either the Clearaudio or VPI or Judy Spotheim La Luce 'tables. Bala "Dr. Dub" wrote: Haha, of course; the TT1000 and the Dragon CT with their incredible self-centering platter are unique in their kind, but in terms of sound (to my ears;-) John Michell made the true ZXL of turntables with the Orbe. Reviews in Hi-Fi World and What's Hi-Fi say enough in that respect;-) But to be honest, I stil regret to have let go the Dragon CT when I had the chance to get me one :'( ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos – Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover Photo Books. You design it and we’ll bind it! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rondo at nottltd.com Tue Jan 10 15:48:49 2006 From: rondo at nottltd.com (Ron Walton) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 07:48:49 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Happy New Year! The Tale of The Pirate Nakamichi References: <03ab01c610b8$036d27f0$6401a8c0@Rondo><43BC582E.8070300@woods-and-waters.com><0a0801c61238$ad60f940$6401a8c0@Rondo> <06bf01c61581$ad04df60$6401a8c0@SONYNOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <03c601c615f4$f76235d0$6801a8c0@Rondo> Hello Jeff, De KM5HA! I see from qrz.com you are Extra Class! Ron W. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: jeff at eslabs.com To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy New Year! The Tale of The Pirate Nakamichi W1LOP Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Walton To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 3:43 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy New Year! The Tale of The Pirate Nakamichi That is all very interesting! Designing AM broadcast antennas is what I do for a living. What kind of antenna did he come up with for you? How tall was it? I am a Ham operator. Any one here in the group a Ham? Ron W. : Re: [naktalk] Happy New Year! The Tale of The Pirate Nakamichi Hi Ron, Ron Walton wrote: > Are you an Amateur Operator as well? For some, that would be a Ham > Radio Operator I suppose. No, but my friend Alan, who designed my antenna, is. During my apprenticeship I worked part-time making advertsing and PSA tapes for AM broadcasts, and my mentor was a broadcast engineer at a local daytimer, as well as being an avid Ham radio guy. Even did the slow-scan tv, which was pretty interesting. I showed him my transmitter. He remarked it had the best AUDIO circuitry he'd ever seen in a transmitter but the RF sections were mediocre. He suggested I replace my awful Hartley local oscillator (which was made of scavenged parts -- I used the primary of an push-pull plate-to-voice coil transformer as one of the inductors) with a crystal oscillator and he loaned me a set of crystals for each available frequency. He also remarked that a 6L6 isn't really the best choice for an RF power amp, andsuggested I should have chosen a tube made for the purpose. Hey, it was a lark, and the whole transmitter was made of scrap parts. Hooking up fine audio gear, like the Nak 550 and the Dual 1218, was sort of overkill but that was a big part of the fun. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rondo at nottltd.com Tue Jan 10 16:22:37 2006 From: rondo at nottltd.com (Ron Walton) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:22:37 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Ham Radio References: <011020060407.8363.43C332F9000EFD73000020AB21612436460701039B9C0A0C@att.net> Message-ID: <043f01c615f9$b0563ec0$6801a8c0@Rondo> Hello Richard! We are practically neighbors. I am in Farmington. KM5HA Ron W. Don't reply much here but I've been reading Naktalk for years. I'm a senior at UNM in Albuquerque (alas, studying English), and I've been a licensed ham since I was 14. All the old timers told me that I would lose time for the hobby when I discovered girls, and they were right. I have my late grandfather's first call sign, W5GUZ. Richard -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: > W1LOP > > Jeff > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ron Walton > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 3:43 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy New Year! The Tale of The Pirate Nakamichi > > > That is all very interesting! Designing AM broadcast antennas is what I do for > a living. What kind of antenna did he come up with for you? How tall was it? > > I am a Ham operator. Any one here in the group a Ham? > > Ron W. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeff at eslabs.com Tue Jan 10 16:41:58 2006 From: jeff at eslabs.com (jeff at eslabs.com) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:41:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Happy New Year! The Tale of The Pirate Nakamichi References: <03ab01c610b8$036d27f0$6401a8c0@Rondo><43BC582E.8070300@woods-and-waters.com><0a0801c61238$ad60f940$6401a8c0@Rondo><06bf01c61581$ad04df60$6401a8c0@SONYNOTEBOOK> <03c601c615f4$f76235d0$6801a8c0@Rondo> Message-ID: <00f701c615fc$69e51300$6401a8c0@SONYNOTEBOOK> Hi Ron, I was WA1NSG when I got my Extra. My Dad was W1LOP until he took W1EA in the late 60's. I surprised him with my extra and the taking of his old call. In return, he gave me his old ICOM IC756 PRO II, Kenwood TS-950SDX, ALPHA 78A & much more. Although I am not very active, he is and using an ICOM IC-7800, IC-756 PRO III, a couple more of the ALPHA 78A amplifiers and a LOT more. He still has some of his older Collins tube gear as well. He has a couple of 100 foot towers, on a mountain, here in Connecticut. We have been involved in a large VHF/UHF repeater club since it's beginning 1971. In case you are curious, I'll be 53 on the 24th of this month. 73 Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Walton To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy New Year! The Tale of The Pirate Nakamichi Hello Jeff, De KM5HA! I see from qrz.com you are Extra Class! Ron W. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: jeff at eslabs.com To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy New Year! The Tale of The Pirate Nakamichi W1LOP Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Walton To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 3:43 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy New Year! The Tale of The Pirate Nakamichi That is all very interesting! Designing AM broadcast antennas is what I do for a living. What kind of antenna did he come up with for you? How tall was it? I am a Ham operator. Any one here in the group a Ham? Ron W. : Re: [naktalk] Happy New Year! The Tale of The Pirate Nakamichi Hi Ron, Ron Walton wrote: > Are you an Amateur Operator as well? For some, that would be a Ham > Radio Operator I suppose. No, but my friend Alan, who designed my antenna, is. During my apprenticeship I worked part-time making advertsing and PSA tapes for AM broadcasts, and my mentor was a broadcast engineer at a local daytimer, as well as being an avid Ham radio guy. Even did the slow-scan tv, which was pretty interesting. I showed him my transmitter. He remarked it had the best AUDIO circuitry he'd ever seen in a transmitter but the RF sections were mediocre. He suggested I replace my awful Hartley local oscillator (which was made of scavenged parts -- I used the primary of an push-pull plate-to-voice coil transformer as one of the inductors) with a crystal oscillator and he loaned me a set of crystals for each available frequency. He also remarked that a 6L6 isn't really the best choice for an RF power amp, andsuggested I should have chosen a tube made for the purpose. Hey, it was a lark, and the whole transmitter was made of scrap parts. Hooking up fine audio gear, like the Nak 550 and the Dual 1218, was sort of overkill but that was a big part of the fun. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ddino77 at earthlink.net Tue Jan 10 16:42:47 2006 From: ddino77 at earthlink.net (Dan Dinhofer) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:42:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 700ZXL Message-ID: <410-220061210154247383@earthlink.net> I have a 700zxl. suffering with the same ruinous noise issues. For the life of me I cannot figue out where this distortion (left channel only) is eminating from. I can hear it during low level signal passages and occassionaly detect popping. I also tried using the outboard Dolby device and thing quickly deteriorate. Is this a clue? Cannot fathom getting rid of this deck for something that ultimately might turn out to be an easy fix. I spent time fixing burnt out lamps and cleaning the boards and find this last squak a maddening pest. Can anyone shed light on this cunundrum. ----- Original Message ----- From: Logosfire To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: 1/10/2006 7:45:37 AM Subject: [naktalk] Nak 700ZXL Newly acquired Nak 700ZXL(all orange caps have been replaced by previous owner) with all connectors,vol controls,switches and VR etc are throughly cleaned with electronic cleaning fluid and cured most problems mentioned previously and right now the only detected problem remains : unwanted noise induced listening through headphone in both tape and source mood only when the play-mood is engaged with tape when listening at source mood the noise is at maximun with vol control at minimum and decreases accordingly as you turn the vol control clock-wise and the noise is gone after position 3 o`clock. Where`s the noise coming from? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jan 10 16:55:44 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:55:44 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Happy New Year! The Tale of The Pirate Nakamichi In-Reply-To: <00f701c615fc$69e51300$6401a8c0@SONYNOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <007101c615fe$508667e0$b29487d9@oemcomputer> A fellow Aquarian, I think, and just 2 years older than me ... -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of jeff at eslabs.com Sent: 10 January 2006 15:42 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy New Year! The Tale of The Pirate Nakamichi Hi Ron, I was WA1NSG when I got my Extra. My Dad was W1LOP until he took W1EA in the late 60's. I surprised him with my extra and the taking of his old call. In return, he gave me his old ICOM IC756 PRO II, Kenwood TS-950SDX, ALPHA 78A & much more. Although I am not very active, he is and using an ICOM IC-7800, IC-756 PRO III, a couple more of the ALPHA 78A amplifiers and a LOT more. He still has some of his older Collins tube gear as well. He has a couple of 100 foot towers, on a mountain, here in Connecticut. We have been involved in a large VHF/UHF repeater club since it's beginning 1971. In case you are curious, I'll be 53 on the 24th of this month. 73 Jeff -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Jan 10 17:01:54 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:01:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nak of turntables In-Reply-To: <20060110145644.30206.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060110145644.30206.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43C3DA72.1010209@rcn.com> Why stop there? How about the SME 30 ($25,000) or the Rockport System III Sirius ($73,750)? -- Ron Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi Dr Dub, > > I don;t think the Orbe quite makes the ZXL standard. Perhaps the > ZX standard. The ZXL has to be either the Clearaudio or VPI or Judy > Spotheim La Luce 'tables. > > Bala > > */"Dr. Dub" /* wrote: > > Haha, of course; the TT1000 and the Dragon CT with their incredible > self-centering platter are unique in their kind, but in terms of > sound (to > my ears;-) John Michell made the true ZXL of turntables with the Orbe. > Reviews in Hi-Fi World and What's Hi-Fi say enough in that respect;-) > > But to be honest, I stil regret to have let go the Dragon CT when I > had the > chance to get me one :'( > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Jan 10 17:13:52 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:13:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 700ZXL In-Reply-To: <410-220061210154247383@earthlink.net> References: <410-220061210154247383@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <43C3DD40.3030502@rcn.com> Could be any resistor, capacitor, transistor, IC or PCB trace, to mention just a few of the possibilities. If you have (or can obtain) a signal tracer, the source shouldn't be too difficult to localize. Another possible aid is a freezing spray. By spraying very small portions of the suspected circuitry, one at a time, the problem may rear its ugly head. -- Ron Dan Dinhofer wrote: > I have a 700zxl. suffering with the same ruinous noise issues. For the > life of me I cannot figue out where this distortion (left channel only) > is eminating from. I can hear it during low level signal passages and > occassionaly detect popping. I also tried using the outboard Dolby device > and thing quickly deteriorate. Is this a clue? Cannot fathom getting > rid of this deck for something that ultimately might turn out to be an > easy fix. I > spent time fixing burnt out lamps and cleaning the boards and find this > last squak a maddening pest. Can anyone shed light on this cunundrum. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Logosfire > *To: *naktalk at naks.com > *Sent:* 1/10/2006 7:45:37 AM > *Subject:* [naktalk] Nak 700ZXL > > Newly acquired Nak 700ZXL(all orange caps have been replaced by > previous owner) with all connectors,vol controls,switches and VR etc > are throughly cleaned with electronic cleaning fluid and cured most > problems mentioned previously > and right now the only detected problem remains : > unwanted noise induced listening through headphone in both tape and > source mood > only when the play-mood is engaged with tape > when listening at source mood the noise is at maximun with vol > control at minimum > and decreases accordingly as you turn the vol control clock-wise > and the noise is gone after position 3 o`clock. > Where`s the noise coming from? From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jan 10 17:49:46 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:49:46 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nak of turntables In-Reply-To: <43C3DA72.1010209@rcn.com> Message-ID: <007e01c61605$dcdc23e0$b29487d9@oemcomputer> But is it not the case with TTs, cassette decks and so forth, that they are like cars or watches? I.e. What you pay for them does not necessarily reflect their performance but some other "benefit"? Thence, would the performance of a SME 30 be any better than an Orbe and more than a special edition (gold plated) ZXL be better than a standard ZXL at half the price? I am reminded of that brilliant Sekonda advert for watches: "Beware of expensive imitations." Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Ron > Sent: 10 January 2006 16:02 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Nak of turntables > > > > > Why stop there? How about the SME 30 ($25,000) or > the Rockport System III Sirius ($73,750)? > > -- Ron > > > > > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > > Hi Dr Dub, > > > > I don;t think the Orbe quite makes the ZXL standard. > Perhaps the > > ZX standard. The ZXL has to be either the Clearaudio or VPI or Judy > > Spotheim La Luce 'tables. > > > > Bala > > > > */"Dr. Dub" /* wrote: > > > > Haha, of course; the TT1000 and the Dragon CT with their incredible > > self-centering platter are unique in their kind, but in terms of > > sound (to > > my ears;-) John Michell made the true ZXL of turntables > with the Orbe. > > Reviews in Hi-Fi World and What's Hi-Fi say enough in that > respect;-) > > > > But to be honest, I stil regret to have let go the Dragon CT when I > > had the > > chance to get me one :'( > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From rondo at nottltd.com Tue Jan 10 18:47:11 2006 From: rondo at nottltd.com (Ron Walton) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:47:11 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Happy New Year! The Tale of The Pirate Nakamichi References: <03ab01c610b8$036d27f0$6401a8c0@Rondo><43BC582E.8070300@woods-and-waters.com><0a0801c61238$ad60f940$6401a8c0@Rondo><06bf01c61581$ad04df60$6401a8c0@SONYNOTEBOOK><03c601c615f4$f76235d0$6801a8c0@Rondo> <00f701c615fc$69e51300$6401a8c0@SONYNOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <04ea01c6160d$e299bd30$6801a8c0@Rondo> Thats quite a gift! Go Dad! My station consists of a lowly Kenwood TS-440 and a Heathkit SB-1000 feeding a Butternut Vertical antenna. At our retreat cabin in Colorado, I have a Kenwood TS-530S and a G5RV. Actually works quite well. Also have a BB3 mobile on my pickup. We were the manufacturer of those for many years. Even though the company I work for sells tower (Rohn and Nello), I have never put up a tower for my own use. Are you active with CW? I have not been very active for a couple of years. I will be 48 this year. Are you active enough to want to try a sched. this weekend? 73 Ron W. A prizey for any nonham who knows what 73 means! Hi Ron, I was WA1NSG when I got my Extra. My Dad was W1LOP until he took W1EA in the late 60's. I surprised him with my extra and the taking of his old call. In return, he gave me his old ICOM IC756 PRO II, Kenwood TS-950SDX, ALPHA 78A & much more. Although I am not very active, he is and using an ICOM IC-7800, IC-756 PRO III, a couple more of the ALPHA 78A amplifiers and a LOT more. He still has some of his older Collins tube gear as well. He has a couple of 100 foot towers, on a mountain, here in Connecticut. We have been involved in a large VHF/UHF repeater club since it's beginning 1971. In case you are curious, I'll be 53 on the 24th of this month. 73 Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Walton To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy New Year! The Tale of The Pirate Nakamichi Hello Jeff, De KM5HA! I see from qrz.com you are Extra Class! Ron W. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: jeff at eslabs.com To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy New Year! The Tale of The Pirate Nakamichi W1LOP Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Walton To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 3:43 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy New Year! The Tale of The Pirate Nakamichi That is all very interesting! Designing AM broadcast antennas is what I do for a living. What kind of antenna did he come up with for you? How tall was it? I am a Ham operator. Any one here in the group a Ham? Ron W. : Re: [naktalk] Happy New Year! The Tale of The Pirate Nakamichi Hi Ron, Ron Walton wrote: > Are you an Amateur Operator as well? For some, that would be a Ham > Radio Operator I suppose. No, but my friend Alan, who designed my antenna, is. During my apprenticeship I worked part-time making advertsing and PSA tapes for AM broadcasts, and my mentor was a broadcast engineer at a local daytimer, as well as being an avid Ham radio guy. Even did the slow-scan tv, which was pretty interesting. I showed him my transmitter. He remarked it had the best AUDIO circuitry he'd ever seen in a transmitter but the RF sections were mediocre. He suggested I replace my awful Hartley local oscillator (which was made of scavenged parts -- I used the primary of an push-pull plate-to-voice coil transformer as one of the inductors) with a crystal oscillator and he loaned me a set of crystals for each available frequency. He also remarked that a 6L6 isn't really the best choice for an RF power amp, andsuggested I should have chosen a tube made for the purpose. Hey, it was a lark, and the whole transmitter was made of scrap parts. Hooking up fine audio gear, like the Nak 550 and the Dual 1218, was sort of overkill but that was a big part of the fun. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com Tue Jan 10 20:22:59 2006 From: gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com (gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:22:59 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Tape Cleaning and Demagnetizing In-Reply-To: <200601090041.k090eutb020870@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Kermit, Do I remember reading that American Recorder S-721H Head/Pinch Roller Cleaner is actually Heptane? Gary From graker at woods-and-waters.com Tue Jan 10 20:49:50 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:49:50 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Tape Cleaning and Demagnetizing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43C40FDE.8050702@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Gary, gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com wrote: > Do I remember reading that American Recorder S-721H Head/Pinch Roller > Cleaner is actually Heptane? Close. It's almost pure hexane, I think with a trace amount of MEK. Delicious when mixed with a mixture of coconut juice and pineapple juice, 'cuz packs a lot more punch than rum does. Makes a real drink for real audio engineers, definitely cleans your head in the process. Belch. No, I'm joking. Hexane is, of course, a toxic chemical, and is something that requires a bit of care. Yet, it shouldn't scare anyone off from using American Recorder S-721H Head/Pinch Roller Cleaner. Just use common sense when handling the stuff: ensure you have adequate ventilation (avoid breathing the fumes), don't get it on your skin, and don't use any more than needed for the job. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Jan 10 21:14:11 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:14:11 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Tape Cleaning and Demagnetizing In-Reply-To: <43C40FDE.8050702@woods-and-waters.com> References: <43C40FDE.8050702@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <43C41593.1010309@rcn.com> IIRC, Stephen recommended pure MEK for cleaning jobs. Personally, I would avoid getting it on rubber parts, but it's excellent for cleaning metal. -- Ron Kermit V. Gray wrote: > Hi Gary, > > gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com wrote: > >> Do I remember reading that American Recorder S-721H Head/Pinch Roller >> Cleaner is actually Heptane? > > > Close. It's almost pure hexane, I think with a trace amount of MEK. > Delicious when mixed with a mixture of coconut juice and pineapple > juice, 'cuz packs a lot more punch than rum does. Makes a real drink for > real audio engineers, definitely cleans your head in the process. Belch. > > No, I'm joking. > > Hexane is, of course, a toxic chemical, and is something that requires a > bit of care. Yet, it shouldn't scare anyone off from using American > Recorder S-721H Head/Pinch Roller Cleaner. > > Just use common sense when handling the stuff: ensure you have adequate > ventilation (avoid breathing the fumes), don't get it on your skin, and > don't use any more than needed for the job. > From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 11 03:03:31 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 18:03:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nak of turntables In-Reply-To: <43C3DA72.1010209@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20060111020331.61333.qmail@web32806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The SME 30 is a real pain to get working right. But when it does..wow..its really so close to master tape sound! Ron wrote: Why stop there? How about the SME 30 ($25,000) or the Rockport System III Sirius ($73,750)? -- Ron Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi Dr Dub, > > I don;t think the Orbe quite makes the ZXL standard. Perhaps the > ZX standard. The ZXL has to be either the Clearaudio or VPI or Judy > Spotheim La Luce 'tables. > > Bala > > */"Dr. Dub" /* wrote: > > Haha, of course; the TT1000 and the Dragon CT with their incredible > self-centering platter are unique in their kind, but in terms of > sound (to > my ears;-) John Michell made the true ZXL of turntables with the Orbe. > Reviews in Hi-Fi World and What's Hi-Fi say enough in that respect;-) > > But to be honest, I stil regret to have let go the Dragon CT when I > had the > chance to get me one :'( > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 11 03:13:51 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 18:13:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nak of turntables In-Reply-To: <007e01c61605$dcdc23e0$b29487d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20060111021351.21812.qmail@web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Well, surely most of the money goes to the sound the deck produces. The ZXL LTD costs that much more thanks to the effort put in for the various improvements and fine tuning the deck. The ZXL itself costs so much due to the investment in R and D and the cost of making such a deck (at that time). But, as I have noticed, as the costs go up, the improvement or advancement per dollar decreases. Nelson wrote: But is it not the case with TTs, cassette decks and so forth, that they are like cars or watches? I.e. What you pay for them does not necessarily reflect their performance but some other "benefit"? Thence, would the performance of a SME 30 be any better than an Orbe and more than a special edition (gold plated) ZXL be better than a standard ZXL at half the price? I am reminded of that brilliant Sekonda advert for watches: "Beware of expensive imitations." Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Ron > Sent: 10 January 2006 16:02 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Nak of turntables > > > > > Why stop there? How about the SME 30 ($25,000) or > the Rockport System III Sirius ($73,750)? > > -- Ron > > > > > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > > Hi Dr Dub, > > > > I don;t think the Orbe quite makes the ZXL standard. > Perhaps the > > ZX standard. The ZXL has to be either the Clearaudio or VPI or Judy > > Spotheim La Luce 'tables. > > > > Bala > > > > */"Dr. Dub" /* wrote: > > > > Haha, of course; the TT1000 and the Dragon CT with their incredible > > self-centering platter are unique in their kind, but in terms of > > sound (to > > my ears;-) John Michell made the true ZXL of turntables > with the Orbe. > > Reviews in Hi-Fi World and What's Hi-Fi say enough in that > respect;-) > > > > But to be honest, I stil regret to have let go the Dragon CT when I > > had the > > chance to get me one :'( > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 11 03:56:49 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 18:56:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Hi-Fi World - UK In-Reply-To: <009601c61557$93d844c0$76b587d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20060111025649.38501.qmail@web32813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Graham, The Leak isn't a bad sounding tuner, until it runs into some serious competition in the likes of Fisher, Scott 310E and the McIntosh MR65. I am not really a tuner person due to the compressed aweful FM broadcasts in my country. There were many more classic tuners from both sides of the Atlantic, which, I feel, any good hi-fi magazine should cover. What Hi-Fi world did with tuners and turntables, they also did with speakers, amplifers.et el. Today, I still see them lauding the Yamaha NS1000Ms. Great speakers no doubt, but how about more depth in coverage? The Yams would also run into serious trouble if introduced to true legends like the Bozak Symphony Grand. Thanks to Hi-Fi world, I have stopped entirely buying magazines. Nelson wrote: Fair points, Bala, altho' I do recall seeing one of the Hi Fi World journalists did rate the Thorens 124 ABOVE the Garrards in one article - at least, they said it was probably more "accurate", although they said the Garrard's offered better bass. There again, all of them completely omit to mention the great US turntable of that time made by Fairchild, or the Swiss made Goldring Lencos GL88 and GL99, which some would argue are at least as good as the Garrards. (Personally, I prefer the Lenco design over the Thorens any day.) Indeed, Stephen Sank used to maintain the Fairchild used in the radio stations, with 33.3, 45 and 78 rpm was a far better TT than all the rest put together! As for tuners ... well, they do miss out on some good ones. Of course, the Leak's are amazing, especially given their age. They are detailed, very revealing (you can play "spot the microphone type"!) and they reproduce the tonal colours of instruments wonderfully. (I have several tuners and my mono Leak is my favourite, even over a Sony ST5950SD, which also gets a mention in Hi Fi World, but I knew about it well before they did - it's very good but too heavy on the higher spectrum), the much lauded Quad FM4 (nice tuner for falling asleep to ...) and my other favourite (I have two!), the Sugden T28. The Suggie is, I reckon, one of the bargains in hi fi on the 2nd hand market. Usually much cheaper than a Leak but it sounds very much like a top of the line Naim ... but it doesn't get a mention in Hi Fi World ... and it's a BRITISH tuner, too!! But you won't see any mention of H J Scott, Dynaco/kit, or Eico tuners of the same period as the Leak's. There's not much mention of some of the other "great" British names of that time, either, like Radford or Armstrong. Of course, those who know, already pay big bucks for the Radfords, but the Armstrongs are, and always were, the Cinderella's of that age in British hi fi. But it seems to me that many of these guys writing in the hi fi magazines are/were hi fi enthusiats/retailers/designers ever before they became journalists. I'd bet most of them never even attended a school of journalism and got their jobs on the merit of their ability to write and their specialist knowledge, not their complete knowledge or any learning about how to conduct research ... I mean, it seems to me they rarely bother to go out to LOOK for products, they just wait for them to come to them! So, if a maker doesn't want his product to be reviewed in a magazine all he needs to do is not bother to tell the journalist that it exists! (After all, not all of them WOULD want to have their product reviewed, not because it it's rubbish but because one bad and biased review can kill a product stone dead just as one biased good one can create a cult status that is quite undeserved. Remember the Pioneer A400? What a load hype and codswallop was written about that so-called "giant killer". If they were any better than the crop of Rotel, Marantz, Sony, Technics, etc, around at the time, it would have been only a smidgen better, but to my ear ... frankly, I didn't like the amp at all.) These these hi fi journalists get a very narrow perspective on their world. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 09 January 2006 15:07 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Hi-Fi World - UK Hi Graham, Whilst young, these guys are professional audio journalists who should have some history. Also, while I talked about the past, even today, many great companies(think Audio Research, Conrad Johnson, VPI, Jeff-Rowland et. ) still turn out great hi end gear. Why are they not talked about? Many of the popular tubes (like the 300B, KT series) were invented in USA, alongside famous circuit topologies. But all I ever hear is how the British have shaped hi-fi. The thing that really cheeses me off, is how Hi-Fi world puts the Garrard 401 on the golden throne while throwing a cursory remark that the Thorens TD124/II is 'very good'. Having heard both, on several occasions, I can make a safe bet that the Thorens will win the Garrard by a wide margin. They also do similiar uglies to Leak tuners. Has David Price ever listened to a McIntosh MR71? Regards Bala . ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 11 04:11:11 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:11:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] re:New to Naktalk-Help with Nak 600 In-Reply-To: <43C182A9.9060204@woods-and-waters.com> Message-ID: <20060111031111.76180.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Kermit, Thanks! I see the difference in various people as to how they esteem their Naks. Having got recently married, my dad's advised me to 'clear some of the decks out'. My reply, in front of my new wife is, "Over my dead body". Then comes your good self, who has names your valuable decks and have waxed lyrical about the 600 (which I found was entirely true after hearing my own 600!). I would also like to mention Alex, who stands firmly by his Dragon. There are many others who also believe in their Naks, which may not be right up there, but gives them that 60 minutes (for a C60 tape) of bliss. And they are loyal and faithful to their deck for that. I respect you gentlemen and I learn from the passion of each and every one of you. from my memory, Cassette Decks: Nak 700 Nak 700 II Nak 600 Nak 670ZX Nak 680ZX (4) Nak 700ZXL (3) Nak 1000ZXL (3) Nak Dragon Nak CR7 Nak DR10 Aiwa F990 Aiwa XK009 Excelia Aiwa AD 6700 (2) Technics RS-M95 Regards Bala Ganesh 79 Labs "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: Hi Keith, Keith Dawson wrote: > Like Kermit, I too am a 600 fan. Glad to see another show up on the > Forum. It sometimes seems like Kermit, Bala and I are among the only > hard-core 2-head holdouts here! I've actualy thought of starting a Nakamichi 600 "appreciation society" that would include the 1000, 700, 600, 600-II, 550, 500, 350 and 250. At the very least, I'd have to include the 500 and 550 so mine do not feel slighted. Doubt I'll ever get the time to do it, but I really love these older decks, even the two-head ones. Bala has 22 cassettes, mainly Nakamichis, so I think he has us all beat with regard to passion. I have only two 600-II, one 600, two 550, one 500, one BX-2 (although it's slated to be disposed of) and one 581, which I'm trying to resurrect. I know I could always set my ego aside and send the 581 off to be repaired, but vainly trying to fix the 581 has become sport for me. In truth, the 581 isn't as valuable to me as the other decks. If I sent anything off for repair or restoration it would be the 550 or one ofthe 600 series. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Jan 11 04:24:54 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 03:24:54 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] re:New to Naktalk-Help with Nak 600 Message-ID: Bravo Bala...STILL FIRM...NO matter whatever you new wife will say!!!! Happens with mine (27 years of marriage), all the time I acquired something new or received a gift...SHE MUST...say something...seriously...I'm tired...of hearing her! That's is our life when we have some "HOBBY"...NOT so common comprehended by any WIFE....! Cheers, ALEX! >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] re:New to Naktalk-Help with Nak 600 >Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:11:11 -0800 (PST) > >Hi Kermit, > > Thanks! I see the difference in various people as to how they >esteem their Naks. Having got recently married, my dad's advised me to >'clear some of the decks out'. My reply, in front of my new wife is, "Over >my dead body". Then comes your good self, who has names your valuable decks >and have waxed lyrical about the 600 (which I found was entirely true after >hearing my own 600!). I would also like to mention Alex, who stands firmly >by his Dragon. There are many others who also believe in their Naks, which >may not be right up there, but gives them that 60 minutes (for a C60 tape) >of bliss. And they are loyal and faithful to their deck for that. I respect >you gentlemen and I learn from the passion of each and every one of you. > > from my memory, > Cassette Decks: > Nak 700 > Nak 700 II > Nak 600 > Nak 670ZX > Nak 680ZX (4) > Nak 700ZXL (3) > Nak 1000ZXL (3) > Nak Dragon > Nak CR7 > Nak DR10 >Aiwa F990 > Aiwa XK009 Excelia > Aiwa AD 6700 (2) > Technics RS-M95 > > Regards > Bala Ganesh > 79 Labs > > "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: Hi Keith, > >Keith Dawson wrote: > > Like Kermit, I too am a 600 fan. Glad to see another show up on the > > Forum. It sometimes seems like Kermit, Bala and I are among the only > > hard-core 2-head holdouts here! > >I've actualy thought of starting a Nakamichi 600 "appreciation society" >that would include the 1000, 700, 600, 600-II, 550, 500, 350 and 250. At >the very least, I'd have to include the 500 and 550 so mine do not feel >slighted. Doubt I'll ever get the time to do it, but I really love these >older decks, even the two-head ones. Bala has 22 cassettes, mainly >Nakamichis, so I think he has us all beat with regard to passion. I have >only two 600-II, one 600, two 550, one 500, one BX-2 (although it's >slated to be disposed of) and one 581, which I'm trying to resurrect. > >I know I could always set my ego aside and send the 581 off to be >repaired, but vainly trying to fix the 581 has become sport for me. In >truth, the 581 isn't as valuable to me as the other decks. If I sent >anything off for repair or restoration it would be the 550 or one ofthe >600 series. > >-- >Kermit Gray >Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >http://www.woods-and-waters.com >http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > >--------------------------------- >Yahoo! Photos > Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, >whatever. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 11 06:16:39 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:16:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Tape Cleaning and Demagnetizing In-Reply-To: <43C41593.1010309@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20060111051639.23087.qmail@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I believe Stephen said the MEK was fine for the rubber pinch rollers too. It's the plastic parts that it should be kept away from. --- Ron wrote: > > IIRC, Stephen recommended pure MEK for cleaning jobs. > Personally, I would avoid getting it on rubber parts, > but it's excellent for cleaning metal. > > -- Ron > > > > Kermit V. Gray wrote: > > Hi Gary, > > > > gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com wrote: > > > >> Do I remember reading that American Recorder S-721H Head/Pinch > Roller > >> Cleaner is actually Heptane? > > > > > > Close. It's almost pure hexane, I think with a trace amount of > MEK. > > Delicious when mixed with a mixture of coconut juice and > pineapple > > juice, 'cuz packs a lot more punch than rum does. Makes a real > drink for > > real audio engineers, definitely cleans your head in the process. > Belch. > > > > No, I'm joking. > > > > Hexane is, of course, a toxic chemical, and is something that > requires a > > bit of care. Yet, it shouldn't scare anyone off from using > American > > Recorder S-721H Head/Pinch Roller Cleaner. > > > > Just use common sense when handling the stuff: ensure you have > adequate > > ventilation (avoid breathing the fumes), don't get it on your > skin, and > > don't use any more than needed for the job. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Jan 11 06:24:37 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 23:24:37 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 550 Service Manual Message-ID: <43C49695.1090005@woods-and-waters.com> Hi All, Does anyone have a downloadable copy of the Nakamichi 550 Service Manual? (NOTE: If you do have it, PLEASE DO NOT SEND IT TO MY EMAIL!!! I'm on dial-up Internet access and the download could take HOURS. I often get disconnected after 30 minutes or so, so emailing me the manual would in essence disable my email.) Thanks! -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From p9019 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 11 06:31:50 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:31:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] loads of set up tapes and guages .......but the snag is.... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060111053150.90413.qmail@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The Nakamichi tapes that "naac.tr" is selling are nothing more than tapes. There are no special tones recorded on them and they are only used EX (normal), SX (CrO2), ZX (metal) tapes for doing bias and level calibration which Should be done with the tapes you commonly use TDK AD, SA and MA if you are a TDK person and whatever. Using the Nak tapes for bias and level calibration will lead to mixed results with other tapes. He does have some other useful items up for auction like a belt, a bunch of motors, a few pinch rollers, some heads and a few check/alignment gauges, but, his starting prices are way too high. SJ --- earthrite at gn.apc.org wrote: > Hi Nakofiles > > A lot of Nak set up tapes and spares in turkey. > > see eaby 5850576330 > > and check out other items for sale or do a global Nakamichi search > on ebay > > However the seller doesnt accept paypal so heavens only knows > .......however some fascinating items loads and loads of set up > tapes > and gauges! > > Blimey > > Ian r > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From graker at woods-and-waters.com Wed Jan 11 06:36:21 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 23:36:21 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Tape Cleaning and Demagnetizing In-Reply-To: <20060111051639.23087.qmail@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060111051639.23087.qmail@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43C49955.1010404@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Scott. Scott Johnson wrote: > I believe Stephen said the MEK was fine for the rubber pinch rollers > too. It's the plastic parts that it should be kept away from. > Which is correct, and which also emphasizes that no matter what cleaner you use, be sure to use only the minimum needed for the job, and minimize the time that the parts are exposed to the cleaner. > > --- Ron wrote: > > >>IIRC, Stephen recommended pure MEK for cleaning jobs. >>Personally, I would avoid getting it on rubber parts, >>but it's excellent for cleaning metal. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From p9019 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 11 06:34:54 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:34:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060111053454.91151.qmail@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I can't remember if it was said already or not, but, the 70/120 us equalization switch effects both playback and recording. This is according to the MR-1 schematic that I happen to have on my decks. I am sure that it is the same for all decks. SJ --- Doane Hoag wrote: > Equilization does only effect playback, but during recording, if > your > equilization is set wrong I guess it would change the sound if you > have a > tape monitor switch and are trying to A/B. > > Doane > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of > Ron Walton > Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 1:41 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs > > > Thanks Jon, > > Did the recording sound okay once you switched the EQ back to > 120/us ? since > that is also where it was set when you recorded? > > Yes, my hearing is not quite as good, but I noticed the same thing > when I > first got the deck when I was much younger in '87. One night soon > I will > try a new recording with the EQ switch set for chrome as well. > There might > be something in the auto-cal. that also determines which EQ is set. > I must > say that I always thought the EQ setting affected only playback and > not what > got recorded on the tape. > > Is there a modification by ESL or someone whereby one can vary the > bias > manually on the CR-7 while recording? > > And, does anyone have an answer to my question about the EQ mod for > the CR-7 > ? > > Ron W. > > > > Ron, > > > I tried recording a chrome tape at the 120 equalization instead > of the 70 > eq. I found on my Nak ZX7 with Emtec Chrome Extra tape recording > from vinyl > that I did not like the sound as well. > > > On my particular setup, the sound seemed a little bit muffled in > the > midrange and treble and there seemed to be less response in the > upper bass > area. > > > But I definitely do like the tweak suggested by Dr. Dub to > increase the > bias and level by 1.5. > You asked for comments so I just wanted to give you some feedback > on what > works and does not work for me. YMMV. > > > Jon > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 3, 2006, at 4:27 PM, Ron Walton wrote: > > > I understand the bias adjustment and how it affects frequency > response. > A musician friend many years ago told he he thought that Nakamichi > had their > bias set "too hot", which results in a softening of the the treble > and upper > treble. To compensate, when listening to chrome tapes, I set the > EQ to > 120us. Even for playback of the few metal tapes that I have, the > treble > sounds right when I set the EQ to 120. Do any of you do the same > on a > routine basis? Perhaps I am the only one? I have been listening > this way > for a very long time with my CR-7. Just purchased a ebay CR-3 and > it sounds > better with chrome tapes set to 120 us too. The CR-7 has been to > the shop > for calibration many times and it always sounds this way. > > To summarize, chrome tapes played at the proper EQ of 70us > sound too > dark, what some of you call a warm sound. When comparing the > source to the > tape, the treble is not even close until I switch the EQ to 120us. > > Comments?????? > > Ron W. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kermit V. Gray > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 12:02 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] re: subj. CR-7/ZX-9/Dragon/ZXLs > > > Hi Jon, > > Jon Ochi wrote: > > Dr. Dub, > > > > I tried boosting the Bias and the Level up 1.5 (one light + > on > blinking > > light as per your directions) on my Nak ZX7. The results > of that > small > > change really surprised me. The sound seems much clearer > especially in > > the midrange and upper midrange. I do not know the > audiophile way > to > > describe the sound except to say that it is more > lively--perhaps > > because of the apparent boost to the mid/upper midrange. > > Bias level affects both frequency response and distortion. > Apparently, > you now have the setting that provides the lowest distortion > and > widest > frequency response. > > > The other > > discovery is that when I play that tape in the car, I can > enjoy the > > tape at a noticeably lower volume level. The sound just > cuts > through > > the road noise much better. The low level sound retrieval > is much > > improved. > > Well consider this: compare two hypothetical tapes: > > #1 has narrow frequency response and high distortion. > > #2 has wide frequency response and low distortion. > > Tape #2 obviously will sound clearer and so will be easier to > hear > clearly at lower playback levels. > > So, now that you've found the optimum bias for your deck, > your tapes > are > clearer and you do not need to play them as loudly to hear > everything. > > That's my theory, anyway. > > > So my question is, why did I hear these differences? > Please explain > in > > layman's terms if you can because I do not understand > technical > > theories very well. > > > > Thanks for any light you can shed on this. I really like > the "new" > > sound so far and want to record some other music to further > > experiment. But for now, I find it so fascinating that > such a small > > tweak can change the sound like it does. > > > -- > Kermit Gray > Woods & Waters/KVG Labs > http://www.woods-and-waters.com > http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro > audio info > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > === message truncated ===> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Wed Jan 11 02:46:10 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:46:10 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] eBay: Nakamichi RX-303 Cassette Deck - Original Owner (item 5846493691 end time Jan-01-06 16:11:06 PST) Message-ID: Today i recieved my Nakamichi RX-303 that I paid 150.00 for, plus shipping. It was advertised in "flawlwss condition", and as an original owner machine. Well, Powered it up and it didnt play or autoreverse, although it rewinds and fastforewards ok. Wow, first Nak Ive bought on e-bay and its a dud.Hopefully the guy will refund my bread, but im still out shipping both ways(about 50.00).I need to have a much better head about which auctions to bid on, and about which people to deal with in general.I let my love of the RX303's blind me to asking questions about the unit and felling out the description , which was brief and minimal.An old machine from a original owner who has usewd it for years is suspect to having wear and tear, obviously...D'OH!! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5846493691&sspagename=ADME%3AL%3AAAQ%3AUS%3A1&rd=1 -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Wed Jan 11 04:06:37 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:06:37 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] RX-303 ,Ebay Message-ID: Heres an update on one of the Rx-303's i recieved on E-Bay that i had posted was inoperable..... The guy( a Dr.) , e-mailed me saying it had been several years since he used the deck.The gentleman did offer a full refund; a class act! I fiddled around with the auto-reverse mechanism and sprayed some Silicon into the sluggish turning mechanism and now it autoreverses and plays perfect!! He told me it had been sveral years since the deck had been operated.The deck was dusty, but appears excellent plus overall.It appears my judgement was correct on this magnificent Nak. RX-303 unit! The sound and operation is superb, and I am listening to it now through 'phones.Wow , what a great deck!!Nice deal for 150.00 plus ship! -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Wed Jan 11 06:26:42 2006 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 23:26:42 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nak of turntables Message-ID: ..absolutetely nice point on the intrinsic value of our machines.I have a 26.00 Timex atomic watch, and its timekeeping is far superior to any swiss or Japanese analog watch , irrespective of value. Also,at 699.00, I bought my ILO HDTV/VGA computer monitor. No, its not for gaming, but i love the 26" widescreen 1280X 760 images I get of Naktalk , and for the same price as a 19" samsung hi-res monitor. Fially, FOR 300.00, I got three Nak rx-303'S.This for the price of less than one Nak zx-9,cr-7, or Dragon. Whats the formulae?---quantity X quality = Price divided by value!That having been stated, no doubt as a nakaholic, i still Do want a top end three head Nak(Dragon or Cr-7),AND a 2500.00 Swiss analog watch(OMEGA for me) 8-) -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From mhugo at sunint.co.za Wed Jan 11 09:37:26 2006 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc hugo) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:37:26 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] eBay: Nakamichi RX-303 Cassette Deck - Original Owner (item 5846493691 end time Jan-01-06 Message-ID: Always disappointing to hear this. Post negative feedback on the seller without delay if he does not fully refund you in a flash. After all, $150 + $50 is a fair amount of loot. Did he have no history? Good luck - Marc >>> gjgkerrtx at ktc.com 1/11/2006 3:46 AM >>> Today i recieved my Nakamichi RX-303 that I paid 150.00 for, plus shipping. It was advertised in "flawlwss condition", and as an original owner machine. Well, Powered it up and it didnt play or autoreverse, although it rewinds and fastforewards ok. Wow, first Nak Ive bought on e-bay and its a dud.Hopefully the guy will refund my bread, but im still out shipping both ways(about 50.00).I need to have a much better head about which auctions to bid on, and about which people to deal with in general.I let my love of the RX303's blind me to asking questions about the unit and felling out the description , which was brief and minimal.An old machine from a original owner who has usewd it for years is suspect to having wear and tear, obviously...D'OH!! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5846493691&sspagename=ADME%3AL%3AAAQ%3AUS%3A1&rd=1 -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From mhugo at sunint.co.za Wed Jan 11 09:38:37 2006 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc hugo) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:38:37 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] RX-303 ,Ebay Message-ID: Whoops!! Retract that then........ MH >>> gjgkerrtx at ktc.com 1/11/2006 5:06 AM >>> Heres an update on one of the Rx-303's i recieved on E-Bay that i had posted was inoperable..... The guy( a Dr.) , e-mailed me saying it had been several years since he used the deck.The gentleman did offer a full refund; a class act! I fiddled around with the auto-reverse mechanism and sprayed some Silicon into the sluggish turning mechanism and now it autoreverses and plays perfect!! He told me it had been sveral years since the deck had been operated.The deck was dusty, but appears excellent plus overall.It appears my judgement was correct on this magnificent Nak. RX-303 unit! The sound and operation is superb, and I am listening to it now through 'phones.Wow , what a great deck!!Nice deal for 150.00 plus ship! -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jan 11 10:00:33 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:00:33 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nak of turntables In-Reply-To: <20060111020331.61333.qmail@web32806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00f701c6168d$7b34de60$b29487d9@oemcomputer> Close to master tape sound - that used to be said of the Pink Triangle Anniversary. They are rarely ever seen on eBay and when new (about 10-15 years ago?) cost around £2k, I think. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 11 January 2006 02:04 To: ra.ah at rcn.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Nak of turntables The SME 30 is a real pain to get working right. But when it does..wow..its really so close to master tape sound! Ron wrote: Why stop there? How about the SME 30 ($25,000) or the Rockport System III Sirius ($73,750)? -- Ron Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi Dr Dub, > > I don;t think the Orbe quite makes the ZXL standard. Perhaps the > ZX standard. The ZXL has to be either the Clearaudio or VPI or Judy > Spotheim La Luce 'tables. > > Bala > > */"Dr. Dub" /* wrote: > > Haha, of course; the TT1000 and the Dragon CT with their incredible > self-centering platter are unique in their kind, but in terms of > sound (to > my ears;-) Joh! n Michell made the true ZXL of turntables with the Orbe. > Reviews in Hi-Fi World and What's Hi-Fi say enough in that respect;-) > > But to be honest, I stil regret to have let go the Dragon CT when I > had the > chance to get me one :'( > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ! Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Yahoo! Photos Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 11 10:15:47 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 01:15:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nak of turntables In-Reply-To: <00f701c6168d$7b34de60$b29487d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20060111091547.30280.qmail@web32806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Graham, The phrase used to be often misused. The pink triangle is good, but it doesn't make it to the upper echelons of what I'd call 'Super-Tables'. Super tables? Think, Micro Seiki! Thorens Reference! VPI TNT! Clearaudio Reference,!The La Luce! Zarathustra! Nakamichi 1000! When I heard the Cleareaudio Reference with its three individual motors. power supplies, Linear Arm riding the Insider, I was awestruck! You could fill the timbre and dynamics in your skin and the sheer scale of the musicians sitting in front of you! Wow... Nelson wrote: Close to master tape sound - that used to be said of the Pink Triangle Anniversary. They are rarely ever seen on eBay and when new (about 10-15 years ago?) cost around £2k, I think. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 11 January 2006 02:04 To: ra.ah at rcn.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Nak of turntables The SME 30 is a real pain to get working right. But when it does..wow..its really so close to master tape sound! Ron wrote: Why stop there? How about the SME 30 ($25,000) or the Rockport System III Sirius ($73,750)? -- Ron Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi Dr Dub, > > I don;t think the Orbe quite makes the ZXL standard. Perhaps the > ZX standard. The ZXL has to be either the Clearaudio or VPI or Judy > Spotheim La Luce 'tables. > > Bala > > */"Dr. Dub" /* wrote: > > Haha, of course; the TT1000 and the Dragon CT with their incredible > self-centering platter are unique in their kind, but in terms of > sound (to > my ears;-) Joh! n Michell made the true ZXL of turntables with the Orbe. > Reviews in Hi-Fi World and What's Hi-Fi say enough in that respect;-) > > But to be honest, I stil regret to have let go the Dragon CT when I > had the > chance to get me one :'( > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ! 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URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jan 11 11:35:42 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:35:42 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Hi-Fi World - UK In-Reply-To: <20060111025649.38501.qmail@web32813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <010d01c6169a$c6030860$b29487d9@oemcomputer> I do not pretend to be anything like an expert in this area of FM so I am not in a position to judge what I have been told, which is that tuners made for particular countries, such as the USA, have to realigned to suit UK broadcasts or else they do not sound as good as they might ... and presumably the opposite would be true, too. Therefore, grey imports of US tuners may not sound as good as a Leak in the UK but might trounce it in the USA. Nevertheless, the likes of Fisher, Scott and, even to a large extent, McIntosh were hard, if not impossible, to buy new in the UK when HJ Leak was in his prime, and even now they are very rare. Given that, I don't think it's entirely unreasonable for a magazine aimed primarily at UK-based hi fi enthusiasts to concentrate on products they are more likely to find, be that a speaker, amp or cassette player. Indeed, you will find that a majority of UK Nakamichi fans, if they don't belong to NakTalk, will not have heard of some of the best Nakamichi cassette recorders because so few of them were imported to the UK for selling. Only the Dragon and CR7 are well known. The ZX7/9 or ZXL's were/are virtually unheard of. Thence, you will probably not find any reviews of them in the archives of UK fi fi magazines. One must remember the UK is only a small island and has a very finite market with the disposable income high enough to have bought those finds of goods. The reverse is often true, too. Stereophile magazine seems primarily aimed at the North American market and it often includes exotica that can't be bought in the UK, which leaves readers like myself with mixed feelings - good that I am more aware there is hi fi Life outside of the UK and bad that I can't hear any of it! However, at least in Stereophile magazine they seem to look into markets beyond the US, too - I seem to recall seeing a piece once about a turntable maker in Slovakia, or one of the East European countries, whose products were reckoned to be excellent but harder than rocking horse dung to find in the US or UK. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 11 January 2006 02:57 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Hi-Fi World - UK Hi Graham, The Leak isn't a bad sounding tuner, until it runs into some serious competition in the likes of Fisher, Scott 310E and the McIntosh MR65. I am not really a tuner person due to the compressed aweful FM broadcasts in my country. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Jan 11 11:59:30 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:59:30 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nak of turntables Message-ID: Shalom Gra' Is I recall well, such "Pink Triangle" whole line, before the "Anniversary"...were less fancy & expensive tables...were similarly in demeanour; to the...Nak ZXL series VERY NOT RELIABLE!. Cheers, ALEX! >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: Nak of turntables >Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:00:33 -0000 > >Close to master tape sound - that used to be said of the Pink Triangle >Anniversary. They are rarely ever seen on eBay and when new (about 10-15 >years ago?) cost around �2k, I think. > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf >Of Bala Ganesh Chandra > Sent: 11 January 2006 02:04 > To: ra.ah at rcn.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Nak of turntables > > > The SME 30 is a real pain to get working right. But when it >does..wow..its >really so close to master tape sound! > > Ron wrote: > > > Why stop there? How about the SME 30 ($25,000) or > the Rockport System III Sirius ($73,750)? > > -- Ron > > > > > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > > Hi Dr Dub, > > > > I don;t think the Orbe quite makes the ZXL standard. Perhaps the > > ZX standard. The ZXL has to be either the Clearaudio or VPI or Judy > > Spotheim La Luce 'tables. > > > > Bala > > > > */"Dr. Dub" /* wrote: > > > > Haha, of course; the TT1000 and the Dragon CT with their incredible > > self-centering platter are unique in their kind, but in terms of > > sound (to > > my ears;-) Joh! n Michell made the true ZXL of turntables with the >Orbe. > > Reviews in Hi-Fi World and What's Hi-Fi say enough in that >respect;-) > > > > But to be honest, I stil regret to have let go the Dragon CT when I > > had the > > chance to get me one :'( > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ! Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-- > Yahoo! Photos > Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands >ASAP. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From al2134aa at yahoo.com Wed Jan 11 12:05:37 2006 From: al2134aa at yahoo.com (Alfred Clarkson) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 03:05:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] proper oil to fix squeak on 660zx? Message-ID: <20060111110537.52755.qmail@web30514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> There is a sqeak when going into stop on my 660zx. Seems to be a known problem, according to Scott Johnson's web page: "The Nak decks that use the classic mechanism (not the Sankyo mechanism) are prone to developing a noise when changing modes, especially when going into stop. This is caused by the oil on the cam drive gear drying out. The simple fix is to add a drop of oil to the gear shaft." And there is also Nakamichi tech bulletin also on the web page. My question is: exactly what type of oil should I use, and is there a good place online to get it? Or does Radio Shack have it? Thanks for any help on this. I want to make sure I use _exactly_ the right oil. Seems like that would be a lot smarter than just spraying the entire interior of the machine with a good coat of WD40. (Last part is a joke). --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Jan 11 12:37:54 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:37:54 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] proper oil to fix squeak on 660zx? Message-ID: Shalom Alfred! I lubricated my Dragon, with "Super Lube" (A multi-purpose synthetic oil with Teflon) a TM of Synco Chemical Corp., in Bohemia N.Y. 11716 USA. No problem at all since was received and lubricated a year and half ago! I hope that I help you! Greetings, ALEX! >From: Alfred Clarkson >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] proper oil to fix squeak on 660zx? >Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 03:05:37 -0800 (PST) > > There is a sqeak when going into stop on my 660zx. Seems to be a known >problem, according to Scott Johnson's web page: > > "The Nak decks that use the classic mechanism (not the Sankyo mechanism) >are prone to developing a noise when changing modes, especially when going >into stop. This is caused by the oil on the cam drive gear drying out. >The simple fix is to add a drop of oil to the gear shaft." And there is >also Nakamichi tech bulletin also on the web page. > > My question is: exactly what type of oil should I use, and is there a >good place online to get it? Or does Radio Shack have it? > > Thanks for any help on this. I want to make sure I use _exactly_ the >right oil. Seems like that would be a lot smarter than just spraying the >entire interior of the machine with a good coat of WD40. (Last part is a >joke). > > > > > > >--------------------------------- >Yahoo! Photos > Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands >ASAP. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 11 12:38:50 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 03:38:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] proper oil to fix squeak on 660zx? In-Reply-To: <20060111110537.52755.qmail@web30514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060111113850.11505.qmail@web32810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, Try silicon oil which helps metal and plastic joints. I prefer Cramolin Bala Alfred Clarkson wrote: There is a sqeak when going into stop on my 660zx. Seems to be a known problem, according to Scott Johnson's web page: "The Nak decks that use the classic mechanism (not the Sankyo mechanism) are prone to developing a noise when changing modes, especially when going into stop. This is caused by the oil on the cam drive gear drying out. The simple fix is to add a drop of oil to the gear shaft." And there is also Nakamichi tech bulletin also on the web page. My question is: exactly what type of oil should I use, and is there a good place online to get it? Or does Radio Shack have it? Thanks for any help on this. I want to make sure I use _exactly_ the right oil. Seems like that would be a lot smarter than just spraying the entire interior of the machine with a good coat of WD40. (Last part is a joke). --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP.========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 11 12:42:15 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 03:42:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] There is hope.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060111114215.36815.qmail@web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi everyone, Came across this article in yahoo news. http://news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20060110/tc_pcworld/124312 Regards Bala 79 Labs --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jan 11 13:14:52 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:14:52 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nak of turntables In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <012a01c616a8$a002e960$b29487d9@oemcomputer> Ha! Ha! Yes, Alex, but not so much "unreliable" as poorly constructed so that they failed to perform as well as they should have done. Their distinctive "Pink Triangle sound" was usually due to the fact that they tended to run slightly too fast, this being due to the drive gear having been machined imprecisely. This could not be fixed without taking the thing apart and shaving off some metal from the gear with a lathe or adding substance to the belt drive rim of the platter. At least with the ZXL one does not have that kind of inherent engineering problem. > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > Sent: 11 January 2006 11:00 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: Nak of turntables > > > Shalom Gra' > > Is I recall well, such "Pink Triangle" whole line, before the > "Anniversary"...were less fancy & expensive tables...were similarly in > demeanour; to the...Nak ZXL series VERY NOT RELIABLE!. > > Cheers, > > ALEX! > > > > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Jan 11 13:39:36 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:39:36 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nak of turntables Message-ID: My lovely Gra' Thank you for recalling my memory, what was exactly the defect, on those Pink Triangle tables.! Linn was since 1972 when was released...much better engineering...till last year, when I hear a rumor that Linn decided to produce turntables!!!!Pity!!!! Be well! ALEX! >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: Nak of turntables >Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:14:52 -0000 > >Ha! Ha! Yes, Alex, but not so much "unreliable" as poorly constructed so >that they failed to perform as well as they should have done. Their >distinctive "Pink Triangle sound" was usually due to the fact that they >tended to run slightly too fast, this being due to the drive gear having >been machined imprecisely. This could not be fixed without taking the >thing >apart and shaving off some metal from the gear with a lathe or adding >substance to the belt drive rim of the platter. At least with the ZXL one >does not have that kind of inherent engineering problem. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > > Sent: 11 January 2006 11:00 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: Nak of turntables > > > > > > Shalom Gra' > > > > Is I recall well, such "Pink Triangle" whole line, before the > > "Anniversary"...were less fancy & expensive tables...were similarly in > > demeanour; to the...Nak ZXL series VERY NOT RELIABLE!. > > > > Cheers, > > > > ALEX! > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From greynolds at newsguy.com Wed Jan 11 14:59:39 2006 From: greynolds at newsguy.com (Geoffrey Reynolds) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:59:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] eBay: Nakamichi RX-303 Cassette Deck - Original Owner(item 5846493691 end time Jan-01-06 16:11:06 PST) References: Message-ID: <005301c616b7$46d66600$15eeb3a4@tfcorp.tfn.com> From: "jerryjg" > > Today i recieved my Nakamichi RX-303 that I paid 150.00 for, plus > shipping. It was advertised in "flawlwss condition", and as an original > owner machine. Well, Powered it up and it didnt play or autoreverse, > although it rewinds and fastforewards ok. Wow, first Nak Ive bought on > e-bay and its a dud.Hopefully the guy will refund my bread, but im still > out shipping both ways(about 50.00).I need to have a much better head > about which auctions to bid on, and about which people to deal with in > general.I let my love of the RX303's blind me to asking questions about > the unit and felling out the description , which was brief and minimal.An > old machine from a original owner who has usewd it for years is suspect to > having wear and tear, obviously...D'OH!! > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5846493691&sspagename=ADME%3AL%3AAAQ%3AUS%3A1&rd=1 Given the item description "It has worked flawlessly for many years and continues to do so", there's no reason you should have to pay for the shipping (either way). You really shouldn't be expected to ask questions when the seller says that it works flawlessly - and playing a tape is a pretty fundamental feature of a tape deck. Don't threaten the seller with negative feedback, as I believe that's against ebay policy, but make it clear to them that the item you received was not in the working condition that was described and you feel it's unreasonable to expect you to cover the shipping. If the seller will not cover the shipping costs, leave them negative feedback - they already gave you positive feedback, so you're in the drivers seat. Sellers need to be held accountable for their item descriptions - the deck obviously would have sold for less money (or not at all) if the description was accurate. Good luck with it, -- Geoffrey Reynolds http://homeautomation.geoff-reynolds.net/ From greynolds at newsguy.com Wed Jan 11 15:07:06 2006 From: greynolds at newsguy.com (Geoffrey Reynolds) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:07:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] eBay: Nakamichi RX-303 Cassette Deck - OriginalOwner(item 5846493691 end time Jan-01-06 16:11:06 PST) References: <005301c616b7$46d66600$15eeb3a4@tfcorp.tfn.com> Message-ID: <00b101c616b8$51fa9cd0$15eeb3a4@tfcorp.tfn.com> Nevermind - sounds like the issue has been resolved, which is even better. The seller certainly set himself up for negative feedback though - people need to test things out before listing them as you never can know what has happened to something that hasn't been used for a number of years. -- Geoffrey Reynolds http://homeautomation.geoff-reynolds.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoffrey Reynolds" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 8:59 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] eBay: Nakamichi RX-303 Cassette Deck - OriginalOwner(item 5846493691 end time Jan-01-06 16:11:06 PST) > From: "jerryjg" > >> >> Today i recieved my Nakamichi RX-303 that I paid 150.00 for, plus >> shipping. It was advertised in "flawlwss condition", and as an original >> owner machine. Well, Powered it up and it didnt play or autoreverse, >> although it rewinds and fastforewards ok. Wow, first Nak Ive bought on >> e-bay and its a dud.Hopefully the guy will refund my bread, but im still >> out shipping both ways(about 50.00).I need to have a much better head >> about which auctions to bid on, and about which people to deal with in >> general.I let my love of the RX303's blind me to asking questions about >> the unit and felling out the description , which was brief and minimal.An >> old machine from a original owner who has usewd it for years is suspect >> to having wear and tear, obviously...D'OH!! >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5846493691&sspagename=ADME%3AL%3AAAQ%3AUS%3A1&rd=1 > > > Given the item description "It has worked flawlessly for many years and > continues to do so", there's no reason you should have to pay for the > shipping (either way). You really shouldn't be expected to ask questions > when the seller says that it works flawlessly - and playing a tape is a > pretty fundamental feature of a tape deck. Don't threaten the seller with > negative feedback, as I believe that's against ebay policy, but make it > clear to them that the item you received was not in the working condition > that was described and you feel it's unreasonable to expect you to cover > the shipping. If the seller will not cover the shipping costs, leave them > negative feedback - they already gave you positive feedback, so you're in > the drivers seat. Sellers need to be held accountable for their item > descriptions - the deck obviously would have sold for less money (or not > at all) if the description was accurate. > > Good luck with it, > -- > Geoffrey Reynolds > http://homeautomation.geoff-reynolds.net/ > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From fugue4all at shaw.ca Wed Jan 11 15:07:17 2006 From: fugue4all at shaw.ca (Paul Dingle) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:07:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Tape Cleaning and Demagnetizing References: <200601110533.k0B5XNPZ032608@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <006901c616b8$5490ff20$8902a8c0@warbird> This is a snip from an email from Stephen when he shipped my CR7--he's been using MEK for years and never found a problem. BTW, you can also clean any of the white nylon parts like the mode cams no problem with the stuff. It's the black and transparent styrene that will be scarred. "Yes, same MEK you'd buy in quart or gallon cans in paint supply & hardware stores. Nothing better for heads, rollers & etc. Just don't get any on the styrene plastics that comprise the cosmetic parts of a deck, esp. the meter window." In a moment of paranoia, I bought a quart of S721, believing somehow that the MEK would damage the rubber--silly me! But now I have a choice of two to use to fuzz me brains.... ;-) Paul > From: Scott Johnson > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tape Cleaning > I believe Stephen said the MEK was fine for the rubber pinch rollers > too. It's the plastic parts that it should be kept away from. > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.16/225 - Release Date: 1/9/2006 From rjlbjk at cox.net Wed Jan 11 15:18:47 2006 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 9:18:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] eBay: Nakamichi RX-303 Cassette Deck - Original Owner Message-ID: <20060111141816.NDPW19943.eastrmmtao04.cox.net@[172.18.52.8]> Jerry, I have some equipment that is from 1984 and it is flawless because I take care of my stuff. So, I don't think it's fair to assume that because something is 20+ years old that it MUST have wear and tear. If this guy advertises that it was fully operational and flawless, then push the fact that HE is responsible for shipping. The item wasn't damaged during shipping as it left his HOUSE in that condition. It was not advertised properly and use the eBay complaint process. I have in the past and you'd be surprised how a seller changes their tune after they see you've filed a Buyer's Complaint. > > From: jerryjg > Date: 2006/01/10 Tue PM 08:46:10 EST > To: NAKTALK at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] eBay: Nakamichi RX-303 Cassette Deck - Original Owner > (item 5846493691 end time Jan-01-06 16:11:06 PST) > > > Today i recieved my Nakamichi RX-303 that I paid 150.00 for, plus > shipping. It was advertised in "flawlwss condition", and as an original > owner machine. Well, Powered it up and it didnt play or autoreverse, > although it rewinds and fastforewards ok. Wow, first Nak Ive bought on > e-bay and its a dud.Hopefully the guy will refund my bread, but im still > out shipping both ways(about 50.00).I need to have a much better head > about which auctions to bid on, and about which people to deal with in > general.I let my love of the RX303's blind me to asking questions about > the unit and felling out the description , which was brief and minimal.An > old machine from a original owner who has usewd it for years is suspect to > having wear and tear, > obviously...D'OH!! > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5846493691&sspagename=ADME%3AL%3AAAQ%3AUS%3A1&rd=1 > -- > Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From ti at amb.org Wed Jan 11 16:52:05 2006 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:52:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A testing and results Message-ID: <20060111155205.700A025C40@smtp.amb.org> Hi all, I got inspired to check the performance of my CR-7A, so I ran some RMAA tests ( Rightmark Audio Analyzer http://audio.rightmark.org ) on it. This checks the frequency response, noise level, dynamic range, THD, IMD and stereo crosstalk. The test was performed via a Toshiba laptop PC and a M-Audio Firewire Audiophile external sound interface (in 32b/96KHz mode), which has excellent baseline performance. The following is a "loopback" test of the sound interface itself to establish the lower threshold of measurement. As you can see, the M-Audio's test results are fantastic. http://www.amb.org/rmaa/Firewire_Audiophile_loopback_20050630_32b_96k.htm My CR-7A is an early unit, still has the idler tire mechanism (although the idler tire is new), but I had performed the EQ upgrade modification as per the Nakamichi technical bulletin. I ran a series of four tests. The first one is a "loopback" test with the Tape Monitor switch on the CR-7A set to "Source", and the level was adjusted for 0dB reading on the meter. This measures the performance of the input and output audio circuitry within the CR-7 without the tape. Then the next three tests were all combined record+playback using a TDK MA-XG (new style with opaque dark green casing), also at 0dB readout with Dolby off, Dolby B and Dolby C. The comparison results are here: http://www.amb.org/rmaa/comparison_nakamichi_cr7a_ma-xg_0dB_20060111.htm I am pleasantly surprised that the measured results handily met or exceeded Nakamichi's published specifications. I also checked my test results against those published by Audio, High Fidelity and Stereo Review Magazines from the 1980s and again it either matched or bested their results. Note that these are run at 0dB, not the usual -20dB. It is noteworthy that there is a small droop in the high-end response with Dolby enabled, it is more pronounced with Dolby B than C, but nevertheless all response curves managed to extend close to (or beyond) 20KHz at the -3dB point. The THD results are also interesting. Nakamichi specifies no more than 0.8%, yet I measured much less than that in all cases. The noise performance also exceeded the factory specs slightly. The noise graph shows the effect of Dolby B and C vs. no NR. What is also interesting is that the use of Dolby C also cut the IMD in half, probably because Dolby C actually helps reduce tape saturation in addition to reducing noise. When I find the time, I might run these tests with other tape formulations as well as on my Nakamichi Dragon to see how it stacks up. -Ti From rob at rhoag.com Wed Jan 11 17:24:26 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:24:26 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] There is hope.. In-Reply-To: <20060111114215.36815.qmail@web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Interesting, but who is this guy John Blau, IDG News Service and what cradentials does he have to be making these claims... he makes no referece to his sources, etc. I wouldn't believe everything you read. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 3:42 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] There is hope.. Hi everyone, Came across this article in yahoo news. http://news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20060110/tc_pcworld/124312 Regards Bala 79 Labs Yahoo! Photos Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP. From kenkirk at gte.net Wed Jan 11 17:36:43 2006 From: kenkirk at gte.net (Ken Kirkpatrick) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:36:43 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A testing and results Message-ID: <43C5341B.2030305@gte.net> Ti says: When I find the time, I might run these tests with other tape formulations as well as on my Nakamichi Dragon to see how it stacks up. Ken says: Ti, That is very cool! Nice work with the tests! Yes I am very interested to see how the dragon stacks up. I can clearly see now the trade off with using Dolby C vs. no Dolby. You exchange some headroom for more air. Thanks for putting this together for us. From rondo at nottltd.com Wed Jan 11 17:46:14 2006 From: rondo at nottltd.com (Ron Walton) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:46:14 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A testing and results References: <20060111155205.700A025C40@smtp.amb.org> Message-ID: <089301c616ce$88dd33f0$6801a8c0@Rondo> Hello Ti, I would be very interested to see how Maxell XLII stacks up against their XLII-S formulation, especially since you do have the EQ mod. Ron W. Hi all, I got inspired to check the performance of my CR-7A, so I ran some RMAA tests ( Rightmark Audio Analyzer http://audio.rightmark.org ) on it. This checks the frequency response, noise level, dynamic range, THD, IMD and stereo crosstalk. The test was performed via a Toshiba laptop PC and a M-Audio Firewire Audiophile external sound interface (in 32b/96KHz mode), which has excellent baseline performance. The following is a "loopback" test of the sound interface itself to establish the lower threshold of measurement. As you can see, the M-Audio's test results are fantastic. http://www.amb.org/rmaa/Firewire_Audiophile_loopback_20050630_32b_96k.htm My CR-7A is an early unit, still has the idler tire mechanism (although the idler tire is new), but I had performed the EQ upgrade modification as per the Nakamichi technical bulletin. I ran a series of four tests. The first one is a "loopback" test with the Tape Monitor switch on the CR-7A set to "Source", and the level was adjusted for 0dB reading on the meter. This measures the performance of the input and output audio circuitry within the CR-7 without the tape. Then the next three tests were all combined record+playback using a TDK MA-XG (new style with opaque dark green casing), also at 0dB readout with Dolby off, Dolby B and Dolby C. The comparison results are here: http://www.amb.org/rmaa/comparison_nakamichi_cr7a_ma-xg_0dB_20060111.htm I am pleasantly surprised that the measured results handily met or exceeded Nakamichi's published specifications. I also checked my test results against those published by Audio, High Fidelity and Stereo Review Magazines from the 1980s and again it either matched or bested their results. Note that these are run at 0dB, not the usual -20dB. It is noteworthy that there is a small droop in the high-end response with Dolby enabled, it is more pronounced with Dolby B than C, but nevertheless all response curves managed to extend close to (or beyond) 20KHz at the -3dB point. The THD results are also interesting. Nakamichi specifies no more than 0.8%, yet I measured much less than that in all cases. The noise performance also exceeded the factory specs slightly. The noise graph shows the effect of Dolby B and C vs. no NR. What is also interesting is that the use of Dolby C also cut the IMD in half, probably because Dolby C actually helps reduce tape saturation in addition to reducing noise. When I find the time, I might run these tests with other tape formulations as well as on my Nakamichi Dragon to see how it stacks up. -Ti ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jan 11 18:00:58 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:00:58 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] There is hope.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <013e01c616d0$97b26f60$b29487d9@oemcomputer> Actually, I don't think it's relevant who John Blau is as he is just a journalist. It's who he is quoting that's important and Kurt Gerecke really is a physicist and IBM's data storage expert, which makes me want to sit up and listen I've already emailed the link to a colleague who is our company archivist because I know he is using CD-R to capture and archive digital documents ... which he started to do about 2 years ago ... Uh oh ... Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Doane Hoag > Sent: 11 January 2006 16:24 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] There is hope.. > > > Interesting, but who is this guy John Blau, IDG News Service and what > cradentials does he have to be making these claims... he makes no referece > to his sources, etc. I wouldn't believe everything you read. > > Doane > From marc at stager.com Wed Jan 11 18:16:08 2006 From: marc at stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:16:08 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] re: proper oil to fix squeak on 660zx? In-Reply-To: <200601111556.k0BFt9Mm002122@zxe.naks.com> References: <200601111556.k0BFt9Mm002122@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20060111120631.02a2c450@stager.com> I had a similar problem with my 670ZX, the one I have on eBay. The problem wasn't lubrication at all, and the machine was working perfectly in every way. There are two belts in this and and other models with similar transports (the 660 and 680 series): the servo belt and the drive belt. The problem was that the servo belt had stretched out and was making an annoying squeaking sound when it moved the heads in and out of position; when stopping, starting, pausing. An inexpensive generic replacement solved the problem. I didn't have to do anything else. Unlike the drive belt, this one does not need to be an expensive precision belt ____________ Marc Stager Stager Sound Systems http://marc.stager.com/ -:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:- > There is a sqeak when going into stop on my 660zx. >Seems to be a known problem, according to Scott Johnson's web page: > > "The Nak decks that use the classic mechanism (not the Sankyo mechanism) >are prone to developing a noise when changing modes, especially when >going into stop. >This is caused by the oil on the cam drive gear drying out. The >simple fix is to add >a drop of oil to the gear shaft." >And there is also Nakamichi tech bulletin also on the web page. From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Jan 11 18:30:00 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:30:00 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] re: proper oil to fix squeak on 660zx? Message-ID: Shalom Mark! So...exist the possibility, that my lovely Dragon; will need also a belt replacement...when will make sooner or later "Squeaking sounds", when change the playback direction automatically as I like to set it pressing the bottom...for enjoy listening both sides of any cassette continuously...or I'm wrong? Thank you Mark for your input, Cheers, ALEX! >From: Marc Stager >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] re: proper oil to fix squeak on 660zx? >Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:16:08 -0500 > >I had a similar problem with my 670ZX, the one I have on eBay. >The problem wasn't lubrication at all, and the machine was working >perfectly in every way. > >There are two belts in this and and other models with similar transports >(the 660 and 680 series): the servo belt and the drive belt. > >The problem was that the servo belt had stretched out and was making >an annoying squeaking sound when it moved the heads in and out of >position; when stopping, starting, pausing. An inexpensive generic >replacement solved the problem. I didn't have to do anything else. > >Unlike the drive belt, this one does not need to be an expensive >precision belt > >____________ Marc Stager >Stager Sound Systems >http://marc.stager.com/ > >-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:- > >> There is a sqeak when going into stop on my 660zx. >>Seems to be a known problem, according to Scott Johnson's web page: >> >> "The Nak decks that use the classic mechanism (not the Sankyo mechanism) >>are prone to developing a noise when changing modes, especially when going >>into stop. >>This is caused by the oil on the cam drive gear drying out. The simple >>fix is to add >>a drop of oil to the gear shaft." >>And there is also Nakamichi tech bulletin also on the web page. > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 11 18:38:58 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:38:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Tape Cleaning and Demagnetizing In-Reply-To: <006901c616b8$5490ff20$8902a8c0@warbird> Message-ID: <20060111173858.83569.qmail@web36815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> WOW, a quart! That should last you a while. I still have my 2 oz bottle of the old stuff. S-711. Got it a long time ago, before it they switched from 1,1,1 trichoroethane to Hexane which is what's in S-721. I think the switch was because of risk to the ozone layer or maybe cancer, not sure. SJ --- Paul Dingle wrote: > This is a snip from an email from Stephen when he shipped my > CR7--he's been > using MEK for years and never found a problem. BTW, you can also > clean any > of the white nylon parts like the mode cams no problem with the > stuff. It's > the black and transparent styrene that will be scarred. > > "Yes, same MEK you'd buy in quart or gallon cans in paint supply & > hardware > stores. Nothing > better for heads, rollers & etc. Just don't get any on the styrene > plastics > that comprise the cosmetic parts of a deck, esp. the meter window." > > In a moment of paranoia, I bought a quart of S721, believing > somehow that > the MEK would damage the rubber--silly me! But now I have a choice > of two > to use to fuzz me brains.... ;-) > > Paul > > > > > From: Scott Johnson > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tape Cleaning > > > I believe Stephen said the MEK was fine for the rubber pinch > rollers > > too. It's the plastic parts that it should be kept away from. > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.16/225 - Release Date: > 1/9/2006 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From rob at rhoag.com Wed Jan 11 20:48:14 2006 From: rob at rhoag.com (Doane Hoag) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:48:14 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] There is hope.. In-Reply-To: <013e01c616d0$97b26f60$b29487d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: Yes, but that's one persons opinion only, Blau should have looked into it deeper if he is going to do an accurate report... there are lots of articles on CD life spans and the accelerated testing that's been done under controlled condtions. It's true that cheaper disks would fall under his description, but from what I've read the good quality disks will last much longer the even the 5 year limits he put on it. And his suggesting using tape as a safer storage medium doesn't make sense when he doesn't discuss the problems of cheap tape formulations or the dangers of magnetic fields, etc. I'm just saying that I think the article could have covered a lot more on this and done a better job, instead of the sort of limited viewpoint scar tactic given. Doane -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Nelson Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 9:01 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] There is hope.. Actually, I don't think it's relevant who John Blau is as he is just a journalist. It's who he is quoting that's important and Kurt Gerecke really is a physicist and IBM's data storage expert, which makes me want to sit up and listen I've already emailed the link to a colleague who is our company archivist because I know he is using CD-R to capture and archive digital documents ... which he started to do about 2 years ago ... Uh oh ... Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Doane Hoag > Sent: 11 January 2006 16:24 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] There is hope.. > > > Interesting, but who is this guy John Blau, IDG News Service and what > cradentials does he have to be making these claims... he makes no referece > to his sources, etc. I wouldn't believe everything you read. > > Doane > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doane.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 787 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Jan 11 21:14:46 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:14:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] re:New to Naktalk-Help with Nak 600 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43C56736.2080303@rcn.com> LOL! I must be very lucky with my wife. Whenever I come down with the desire (nay! the *need*) for a new toy, she sweetly says, 'sure, go ahead and get it'. (She may then mutter something under her breath, but it's often in Spanish and I usually don't understand Spanish :-) ). -- Ron Alex Cozac wrote: > Bravo Bala...STILL FIRM...NO matter whatever you new wife will say!!!! > > Happens with mine (27 years of marriage), all the time I acquired > something new or received a gift...SHE MUST...say > something...seriously...I'm tired...of hearing her! > > That's is our life when we have some "HOBBY"...NOT so common > comprehended by any WIFE....! > > Cheers, > > ALEX! > > > > > >> From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >> Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] re:New to Naktalk-Help with Nak 600 >> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:11:11 -0800 (PST) >> >> Hi Kermit, >> >> Thanks! I see the difference in various people as to how they >> esteem their Naks. Having got recently married, my dad's advised me to >> 'clear some of the decks out'. My reply, in front of my new wife is, >> "Over my dead body". Then comes your good self, who has names your >> valuable decks and have waxed lyrical about the 600 (which I found was >> entirely true after hearing my own 600!). I would also like to mention >> Alex, who stands firmly by his Dragon. There are many others who also >> believe in their Naks, which may not be right up there, but gives them >> that 60 minutes (for a C60 tape) of bliss. And they are loyal and >> faithful to their deck for that. I respect you gentlemen and I learn >> from the passion of each and every one of you. >> >> from my memory, >> Cassette Decks: >> Nak 700 >> Nak 700 II >> Nak 600 >> Nak 670ZX >> Nak 680ZX (4) >> Nak 700ZXL (3) >> Nak 1000ZXL (3) >> Nak Dragon >> Nak CR7 >> Nak DR10 >> Aiwa F990 >> Aiwa XK009 Excelia >> Aiwa AD 6700 (2) >> Technics RS-M95 >> >> Regards >> Bala Ganesh >> 79 Labs >> >> "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: Hi Keith, >> >> Keith Dawson wrote: >> > Like Kermit, I too am a 600 fan. Glad to see another show up on the >> > Forum. It sometimes seems like Kermit, Bala and I are among the only >> > hard-core 2-head holdouts here! >> >> I've actualy thought of starting a Nakamichi 600 "appreciation society" >> that would include the 1000, 700, 600, 600-II, 550, 500, 350 and 250. At >> the very least, I'd have to include the 500 and 550 so mine do not feel >> slighted. Doubt I'll ever get the time to do it, but I really love these >> older decks, even the two-head ones. Bala has 22 cassettes, mainly >> Nakamichis, so I think he has us all beat with regard to passion. I have >> only two 600-II, one 600, two 550, one 500, one BX-2 (although it's >> slated to be disposed of) and one 581, which I'm trying to resurrect. >> >> I know I could always set my ego aside and send the 581 off to be >> repaired, but vainly trying to fix the 581 has become sport for me. In >> truth, the 581 isn't as valuable to me as the other decks. If I sent >> anything off for repair or restoration it would be the 550 or one ofthe >> 600 series. >> >> -- >> Kermit Gray >> Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >> http://www.woods-and-waters.com >> http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From tanya at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jan 11 21:48:44 2006 From: tanya at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Tanya Nelson) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:48:44 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Tape Cleaning and Demagnetizing In-Reply-To: <20060111173858.83569.qmail@web36815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <016301c616f0$6956dbe0$b29487d9@oemcomputer> Don't worry, Scott, the effects of Global Warming (ozone depletion) will probably get us all before the cancer gets you!! ;oD Grinham > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Scott Johnson > Sent: 11 January 2006 17:39 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Tape Cleaning and Demagnetizing > > > WOW, a quart! That should last you a while. I still have my 2 oz > bottle of the old stuff. S-711. Got it a long time ago, before it > they switched from 1,1,1 trichoroethane to Hexane which is what's in > S-721. I think the switch was because of risk to the ozone layer or > maybe cancer, not sure. > > SJ > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jan 11 21:54:22 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:54:22 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] There is hope.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <016401c616f1$32c77660$b29487d9@oemcomputer> Fair point and, of course, Gerecke is probably talking only about computer data storage anyway, not music storage. However, he does have stronger empirical evidence for tape as the medium has been used for a much longer period of time ... but not 100 years, of course!! Time will tell ... Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Doane Hoag > Sent: 11 January 2006 19:48 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] There is hope.. > > > > Yes, but that's one persons opinion only, Blau should have looked into it > deeper if he is going to do an accurate report... there are lots > of articles > on CD life spans and the accelerated testing that's been done under > controlled condtions. It's true that cheaper disks would fall under his > description, but from what I've read the good quality disks will last much > longer the even the 5 year limits he put on it. And his suggesting using > tape as a safer storage medium doesn't make sense when he doesn't discuss > the problems of cheap tape formulations or the dangers of magnetic fields, > etc. I'm just saying that I think the article could have covered > a lot more > on this and done a better job, instead of the sort of limited > viewpoint scar > tactic given. > > Doane > > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jan 11 21:54:23 2006 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:54:23 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] re:New to Naktalk-Help with Nak 600 In-Reply-To: <43C56736.2080303@rcn.com> Message-ID: <016501c616f1$33b0ec00$b29487d9@oemcomputer> Ron Your wife sounds wonderful - does she have a sister? I'm thinking of trading my wife in for a new model ... Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Ron > Sent: 11 January 2006 20:15 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] re:New to Naktalk-Help with Nak 600 > > > > LOL! I must be very lucky with my wife. Whenever I come > down with the desire (nay! the *need*) for a new toy, > she sweetly says, 'sure, go ahead and get it'. (She may > then mutter something under her breath, but it's often > in Spanish and I usually don't understand Spanish :-) ). > > -- Ron > > > From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Jan 11 21:55:16 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:55:16 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Tape Cleaning and Demagnetizing In-Reply-To: <006901c616b8$5490ff20$8902a8c0@warbird> References: <200601110533.k0B5XNPZ032608@zxe.naks.com> <006901c616b8$5490ff20$8902a8c0@warbird> Message-ID: <43C570B4.1040301@rcn.com> MEK will definitely damage plastic and paint. As a matter of fact, I use it to strip paint off older instrument cases prior to repainting. MEK will also dry out rubber. Unless I was forced to -- and I never was -- I'll stick with alcohol and use *that* sparingly. That's me. Others -- including Stephen -- are certainly entitled to their respective opinions. -- Ron Paul Dingle wrote: > This is a snip from an email from Stephen when he shipped my CR7--he's been > using MEK for years and never found a problem. BTW, you can also clean any > of the white nylon parts like the mode cams no problem with the stuff. It's > the black and transparent styrene that will be scarred. > > "Yes, same MEK you'd buy in quart or gallon cans in paint supply & hardware > stores. Nothing > better for heads, rollers & etc. Just don't get any on the styrene plastics > that comprise the cosmetic parts of a deck, esp. the meter window." > > In a moment of paranoia, I bought a quart of S721, believing somehow that > the MEK would damage the rubber--silly me! But now I have a choice of two > to use to fuzz me brains.... ;-) > > Paul > > > > >>From: Scott Johnson >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tape Cleaning > > >>I believe Stephen said the MEK was fine for the rubber pinch rollers >>too. It's the plastic parts that it should be kept away from. >> >> > > > > From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Wed Jan 11 22:03:59 2006 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:03:59 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi ST-3 tuner In-Reply-To: <010d01c6169a$c6030860$b29487d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: Hi, Has anyone on the list ever heard of or used a Nakamichi ST-3 tuner before? I have only heard of the ST-7, so I presume the ST-3 is a lesser known little brother to the ST-7? From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Jan 11 22:23:33 2006 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:23:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A testing and results In-Reply-To: <20060111155205.700A025C40@smtp.amb.org> References: <20060111155205.700A025C40@smtp.amb.org> Message-ID: <43C57755.1070905@rcn.com> Thanks for the pointer to the RMAA program. My CR-7 doesn't sound quite as wonderful as it sounded 7 years ago, after Stephen calibrated it. This is a good time to replace all orange caps, along with all electrolytic caps in the audio path, as this would necessitate recalibration, anyway. This is a time consuming project, that has been on the back burner for quite some time now. I was planning on testing the deck before and after recapping and calibration, to see what, if any, the improvement was. Originally, I intended to use my harmonic distortion and IM distortion meters. These are still useful for service, but I would now like to use a PC. It's got to be more fun... -- Ron Ti Kan wrote: > Hi all, > > I got inspired to check the performance of my CR-7A, so I ran some RMAA > tests ( Rightmark Audio Analyzer http://audio.rightmark.org ) on it. > This checks the frequency response, noise level, dynamic range, THD, > IMD and stereo crosstalk. > > The test was performed via a Toshiba laptop PC and a M-Audio Firewire > Audiophile external sound interface (in 32b/96KHz mode), which has > excellent baseline performance. The following is a "loopback" test of > the sound interface itself to establish the lower threshold of measurement. > As you can see, the M-Audio's test results are fantastic. > > http://www.amb.org/rmaa/Firewire_Audiophile_loopback_20050630_32b_96k.htm > > My CR-7A is an early unit, still has the idler tire mechanism (although > the idler tire is new), but I had performed the EQ upgrade modification > as per the Nakamichi technical bulletin. > > I ran a series of four tests. The first one is a "loopback" test with > the Tape Monitor switch on the CR-7A set to "Source", and the level was > adjusted for 0dB reading on the meter. This measures the performance of > the input and output audio circuitry within the CR-7 without the tape. > Then the next three tests were all combined record+playback using a TDK > MA-XG (new style with opaque dark green casing), also at 0dB readout > with Dolby off, Dolby B and Dolby C. The comparison results are here: > > http://www.amb.org/rmaa/comparison_nakamichi_cr7a_ma-xg_0dB_20060111.htm > > I am pleasantly surprised that the measured results handily met or exceeded > Nakamichi's published specifications. I also checked my test results > against those published by Audio, High Fidelity and Stereo Review Magazines > from the 1980s and again it either matched or bested their results. > > Note that these are run at 0dB, not the usual -20dB. It is noteworthy that > there is a small droop in the high-end response with Dolby enabled, it is > more pronounced with Dolby B than C, but nevertheless all response curves > managed to extend close to (or beyond) 20KHz at the -3dB point. > > The THD results are also interesting. Nakamichi specifies no more than > 0.8%, yet I measured much less than that in all cases. The noise performance > also exceeded the factory specs slightly. The noise graph shows the > effect of Dolby B and C vs. no NR. What is also interesting is that > the use of Dolby C also cut the IMD in half, probably because Dolby C > actually helps reduce tape saturation in addition to reducing noise. > > When I find the time, I might run these tests with other tape formulations > as well as on my Nakamichi Dragon to see how it stacks up. > > -Ti From rondo at nottltd.com Thu Jan 12 00:02:34 2006 From: rondo at nottltd.com (Ron Walton) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:02:34 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Tape Cleaning and Demagnetizing References: <20060111173858.83569.qmail@web36815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0c2701c61703$1c14e530$6801a8c0@Rondo> Does anyone know how to contact US Recording? When I click on their "email" button, it shows this address salesUSR at usrecordingmedia.com When I send them an email I get a non delivery notice that says 554 5.7.1 Command rejected Is there a different email address for them or an 800 number? Ron W. WOW, a quart! That should last you a while. I still have my 2 oz bottle of the old stuff. S-711. Got it a long time ago, before it they switched from 1,1,1 trichoroethane to Hexane which is what's in S-721. I think the switch was because of risk to the ozone layer or maybe cancer, not sure. SJ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Thu Jan 12 00:17:13 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:17:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Tape Cleaning and Demagnetizing In-Reply-To: <0c2701c61703$1c14e530$6801a8c0@Rondo> References: <20060111173858.83569.qmail@web36815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <0c2701c61703$1c14e530$6801a8c0@Rondo> Message-ID: <43C591F9.60202@yahoo.ca> You could try webmaster at usrecordingmedia.com and tell that the e-mail doesn't work. Maybe that this e-mail doesn't exist either tho. Ron Walton a écrit : > Does anyone know how to contact US Recording? When I click on their > "email" button, it shows this address salesUSR at usrecordingmedia.com > > > When I send them an email I get a non delivery notice that says 554 > 5.7.1 Command rejected > Is there a different email address for them or an 800 number? > > Ron W. > > > WOW, a quart! That should last you a while. I still have my 2 oz > bottle of the old stuff. S-711. Got it a long time ago, before it > they switched from 1,1,1 trichoroethane to Hexane which is what's in > S-721. I think the switch was because of risk to the ozone layer or > maybe cancer, not sure. > > SJ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I still have my 2 oz bottle of the old stuff. S-711. Got it a long time ago, before it they switched from 1,1,1 trichoroethane to Hexane which is what's in S-721. I think the switch was because of risk to the ozone layer or maybe cancer, not sure. SJ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Thu Jan 12 00:47:46 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:47:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Tape Cleaning and Demagnetizing In-Reply-To: <0c8101c61708$1b878000$6801a8c0@Rondo> References: <20060111173858.83569.qmail@web36815.mail.mud.yahoo.com><0c2701c61703$1c14e530$6801a8c0@Rondo> <43C591F9.60202@yahoo.ca> <0c8101c61708$1b878000$6801a8c0@Rondo> Message-ID: <43C59922.3090708@yahoo.ca> You could try salesUSR e-mail in a couple of hours to see if it works. I just found (With phone numbers and an other e-mail address): Telephone Contact: 1-610-317-9484 International: 1-610-317-9484 Mon-Fri 9-5PM Eastern. (After 5PM Eastern someone in customer service may still be here but no later than 7:00PM Eastern Time) *Shippable orders received before 1:00PM Eastern Time normally ship same day. For orders needed by a certain date always call us to verify stock and your shipping arrangement for the quantity of product you need before you place the order. Orders are shipped complete. We monitor our email live during normal business hours. If you're not sure what to order or have technical questions, please write to the following email addresses: Order Questions: salesUSR at usrecordingmedia.com Technical Information: techsupport at usrecordingmedia.com Antoine Deschênes Ron Walton a écrit : > That didn't take long to bounce back! When emailed to webmaster, it > had permanent fatal errors. > > Ron W. > > You could try webmaster at usrecordingmedia.com and tell that the > e-mail doesn't work. Maybe that this e-mail doesn't exist either tho. > > Ron Walton a écrit : >> Does anyone know how to contact US Recording? When I click on >> their "email" button, it shows this address >> salesUSR at usrecordingmedia.com >> >> When I send them an email I get a non delivery notice that says >> 554 5.7.1 Command rejected >> Is there a different email address for them or an 800 number? >> >> Ron W. > From ady at spamcop.net Thu Jan 12 01:07:23 2006 From: ady at spamcop.net (Adrian Finn) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:07:23 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 680 pinch roller In-Reply-To: <20060107054059.71282.qmail@web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060107054059.71282.qmail@web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5785B5A2-ACC4-4D67-A3A1-58D938CC3A97@spamcop.net> thanks for the advice.. i've been working on it tonight.. done the cam mode belt fine... works smoothly now.. i'm having problems getting this grease off though.. there's so little room to access this pivot.. Ive taken the bottom plate off and I've unscrewed the whole transport assembly and moved it back slightly but it still doesn't give me much more access.. it looks as if the cassette well backplate, if removed, would give more access.. is this easy? otherwise I'll just carry on with the IPA on a cotton bud and hope it frees it up.. thanks adrian On 7 Jan 2006, at 05:40, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Scott is right. I have had this problem on one of my 680ZXs.Get the > front panel off, remove the cassette compartment door and close the > door frame. Use a cotton tip with alcohol to gently work out the > hardened grease (usually yellow in colour). Apply some light oil > and gently work on roller pivot using your fingers. > > Best Regards > Bala Ganesh > 79 Labs > > Scott Johnson wrote: > No. The control belt is not related to your pinch roller problem. > You have hardened grease at the pivot point of the pinch roller. > When in play you should be able to force it up to engage the tape and > capstan. This is what SHOULD normally happen. You will need to > clean the grease out. Try a cleaning solvent or alcohol and a light > oil afterwards. It could take a while to get it t! o move freely > again. With the deck in play manually move it back and forth to work > in the cleaning solvent. > > SJ > > > > --- Adrian Finn wrote: > > > hi.. > > > > just been cleaning the heads of my 680 and noticed that the right > > hand (looking from the front) pinch roller doesn't move and engage > > > > with the capstan roller when in play... I've made several > > recordings recently and they sound fine though! 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URL: From esteyes at cox.net Thu Jan 12 02:00:37 2006 From: esteyes at cox.net (Neil Sturtevant) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:00:37 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] AC line conditioners (NNC) Message-ID: <43C5AA35.3030003@cox.net> greetings all, a while back i offered some line conditioners to the group. at the time i indicated they were all 220V devices, well further research has turned up that the two 16A 120V out devices from OneAC are capable of multiple ins as well as outs. one of the members on this list who owns a studio showed some interest until finding out they were 220v. so i still have them and thought to mention they were available and can do 120v AC for supply. they are CBS2120 units found here: http://www.oneac.com/download/files/935012fexcerptCBS.pdf thanx and i will now go back to lurking, unless someone has the parts to repair my 550 cassette door? neil From p9019 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 12 02:44:05 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:44:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: There is hope In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060112014405.19782.qmail@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Not MP3. iPODs use Advanced Audio Coding (AAC). Or do they play MP3 files as well. I don't know. I'm not one of the 14 million. SJ --- Fred Lifton wrote: > On the other hand, Apple sold 14 million iPods over the holiday > season. Yep, you read that right , FOURTEEN MILLION. Man, that's a > > lot bad quality MP3 sound... > cheers anyway, > Fred (who only uses his iPod when he's working with power tools) > > > On Jan 11, 2006, at 7:54 AM, Bala wrote: > > > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > > Date: January 11, 2006 3:42:15 AM PST > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: [naktalk] There is hope.. > > Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > Came across this article in yahoo news. http:// > > news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20060110/tc_pcworld/124312 > > > > Regards > > Bala > > 79 Labs > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From sybarito at hotmail.com Thu Jan 12 03:06:04 2006 From: sybarito at hotmail.com (Isy Fidelman) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 02:06:04 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi ST-3 tuner In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The ST-3 is an analog version of the ST-7...I had one before the ST-7 and I really liked it, specially the looks. Isy >From: "winnie pooh" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi ST-3 tuner >Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:03:59 +0000 > > >Hi, > >Has anyone on the list ever heard of or used a Nakamichi ST-3 tuner before? >I have only heard of the ST-7, so I presume the ST-3 is a lesser known >little brother to the ST-7? > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 12 04:20:40 2006 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:20:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] proper oil to fix squeak on 660zx? In-Reply-To: <20060111113850.11505.qmail@web32810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060112032040.37072.qmail@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I 2nd the silicon oil. It doesn't get gummy like regular oil. I'm not too sure about the cramolin oil as a mechanical lubricant. It was designed to break up and prevent oxide on electrical contacts. That's not to say that it doesn't work as a mechanical lubricant, I've just never heard of it used that way. If your problem is noise particularly when going into stop then you need to read NR-0040 I scanned and put this document on my web site a long time ago. http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/Nak_NR-0040.gif SJ --- Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi, > > Try silicon oil which helps metal and plastic joints. I prefer > Cramolin > > Bala > > Alfred Clarkson wrote: There is a sqeak when > going into stop on my 660zx. Seems to be a known problem, > according to Scott Johnson's web page: > > "The Nak decks that use the classic mechanism (not the Sankyo > mechanism) are prone to developing a noise when changing modes, > especially when going into stop. This is caused by the oil on the > cam drive gear drying out. The simple fix is to add a drop of oil > to the gear shaft." And there is also Nakamichi tech bulletin also > on the web page. > > My question is: exactly what type of oil should I use, and is > there a good place online to get it? Or does Radio Shack have it? > > Thanks for any help on this. I want to make sure I use _exactly_ > the right oil. Seems like that would be a lot smarter than just > spraying the entire interior of the machine with a good coat of > WD40. (Last part is a joke). > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Photos > Got holiday prints? 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See all the ways to get quality prints in your > hands ASAP.> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Jan 12 00:20:02 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:20:02 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Tape Cleaning and Demagnetizing In-Reply-To: <0c2701c61703$1c14e530$6801a8c0@Rondo> References: <20060111173858.83569.qmail@web36815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <0c2701c61703$1c14e530$6801a8c0@Rondo> Message-ID: <43C592A2.5050805@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Ron, I've had the same problem, so I usually telephone or fax them. Ron Walton wrote: > Does anyone know how to contact US Recording? When I click on their > "email" button, it shows this address salesUSR at usrecordingmedia.com > > > When I send them an email I get a non delivery notice that says 554 > 5.7.1 Command rejected > Is there a different email address for them or an 800 number? -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 12 04:26:58 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:26:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: There is hope In-Reply-To: <20060112014405.19782.qmail@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060112032658.65307.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thats right Scott. Not too sure if the ipod plays mp3..? Fred? The earlier ipods used Seagate 1inch hard drives, but thanks to bigger and cheaper flash memory, they are switching to flash memory. This solves a lot of the ipods durability problem. Because giants like Sony have stopped innovating, people are buying such low quality stuff thats being pushed to them. The last time mp3s had a competitor was mini-disc. But mini-disc sounded so much better. Sony seems to be almost dropping the format, but its been adapted even in professional circles and I feel it still has some way to go. Scott Johnson wrote: Not MP3. iPODs use Advanced Audio Coding (AAC). Or do they play MP3 files as well. I don't know. I'm not one of the 14 million. SJ --- Fred Lifton wrote: > On the other hand, Apple sold 14 million iPods over the holiday > season. Yep, you read that right , FOURTEEN MILLION. Man, that's a > > lot bad quality MP3 sound... > cheers anyway, > Fred (who only uses his iPod when he's working with power tools) > > > On Jan 11, 2006, at 7:54 AM, Bala wrote: > > > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > > Date: January 11, 2006 3:42:15 AM PST > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: [naktalk] There is hope.. > > Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > Came across this article in yahoo news. http:// > > news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20060110/tc_pcworld/124312 > > > > Regards > > Bala > > 79 Labs > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 12 04:30:47 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:30:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A testing and results In-Reply-To: <43C5341B.2030305@gte.net> Message-ID: <20060112033047.9438.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Ken and Ti, Great work! Bala Ken Kirkpatrick wrote: Ti says: When I find the time, I might run these tests with other tape formulations as well as on my Nakamichi Dragon to see how it stacks up. Ken says: Ti, That is very cool! Nice work with the tests! Yes I am very interested to see how the dragon stacks up. I can clearly see now the trade off with using Dolby C vs. no Dolby. You exchange some headroom for more air. 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In-Reply-To: <016401c616f1$32c77660$b29487d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20060112034209.70872.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey guys, Before we get into the fine nuances of magnetic fields, let us consider the ultimate test environment-your media storage area. I store my media in the same room as my Naks. A closed room with a dehumidifier. Some commercial discs which I bought about 10 years ago have been attacked by fungus. Thats right, you can see worm like paths of the fungus eating into the reflective layer in between the two plastic sides! I had seen similiar things in reports over the net. Now, in the next drawer to the discs are some tapes my dad recorded back in 1973. These were Hitachis (grand-dad of the Maxells?). The pressure pad has since detoriated and the rollers at the sides squeak. Doing a tape transplant into a clean Thats MRXP shell, my jaw drops at the perfect flawless reproduction! These were transcription of 78 rpm recordings done on a Akai deck back then. Playing them through a Nak 680ZX, I did a spectrum analysis and find signals up to almost 17kHz still intact. Some of my Sony original blanks have also had their data metal layer peeing back and changing colour-not that its of poor quality. Its just the nature of the media I guess. Nelson wrote: Fair point and, of course, Gerecke is probably talking only about computer data storage anyway, not music storage. However, he does have stronger empirical evidence for tape as the medium has been used for a much longer period of time ... but not 100 years, of course!! Time will tell ... Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Doane Hoag > Sent: 11 January 2006 19:48 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] There is hope.. > > > > Yes, but that's one persons opinion only, Blau should have looked into it > deeper if he is going to do an accurate report... there are lots > of articles > on CD life spans and the accelerated testing that's been done under > controlled condtions. It's true that cheaper disks would fall under his > description, but from what I've read the good quality disks will last much > longer the even the 5 year limits he put on it. And his suggesting using > tape as a safer storage medium doesn't make sense when he doesn't discuss > the problems of cheap tape formulations or the dangers of magnetic fields, > etc. I'm just saying that I think the article could have covered > a lot more > on this and done a better job, instead of the sort of limited > viewpoint scar > tactic given. > > Doane > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 12 04:57:39 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:57:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] re:New to Naktalk-Help with Nak 600 In-Reply-To: <43C56736.2080303@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20060112035739.49901.qmail@web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mine doesn;t go into the room where I keep the Naks. She feels intimidated by them. She used to be (think she still is) a heavy downloader of mp3s from the web and thinks mp3 players and blue backlight is cool. But the people at Nakamichi had done their homework. The 680ZX still wows her with its awesome playback. Now I am planning to build a Linux based file server for all the thousands of mp3s so its more quickly accesible, and she's saying no - finish up the cassette deck first. He He.. Bala Ron wrote: LOL! I must be very lucky with my wife. Whenever I come down with the desire (nay! the *need*) for a new toy, she sweetly says, 'sure, go ahead and get it'. (She may then mutter something under her breath, but it's often in Spanish and I usually don't understand Spanish :-) ). -- Ron Alex Cozac wrote: > Bravo Bala...STILL FIRM...NO matter whatever you new wife will say!!!! > > Happens with mine (27 years of marriage), all the time I acquired > something new or received a gift...SHE MUST...say > something...seriously...I'm tired...of hearing her! > > That's is our life when we have some "HOBBY"...NOT so common > comprehended by any WIFE....! > > Cheers, > > ALEX! > > > > > >> From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >> Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] re:New to Naktalk-Help with Nak 600 >> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:11:11 -0800 (PST) >> >> Hi Kermit, >> >> Thanks! I see the difference in various people as to how they >> esteem their Naks. Having got recently married, my dad's advised me to >> 'clear some of the decks out'. My reply, in front of my new wife is, >> "Over my dead body". Then comes your good self, who has names your >> valuable decks and have waxed lyrical about the 600 (which I found was >> entirely true after hearing my own 600!). I would also like to mention >> Alex, who stands firmly by his Dragon. There are many others who also >> believe in their Naks, which may not be right up there, but gives them >> that 60 minutes (for a C60 tape) of bliss. And they are loyal and >> faithful to their deck for that. I respect you gentlemen and I learn >> from the passion of each and every one of you. >> >> from my memory, >> Cassette Decks: >> Nak 700 >> Nak 700 II >> Nak 600 >> Nak 670ZX >> Nak 680ZX (4) >> Nak 700ZXL (3) >> Nak 1000ZXL (3) >> Nak Dragon >> Nak CR7 >> Nak DR10 >> Aiwa F990 >> Aiwa XK009 Excelia >> Aiwa AD 6700 (2) >> Technics RS-M95 >> >> Regards >> Bala Ganesh >> 79 Labs >> >> "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: Hi Keith, >> >> Keith Dawson wrote: >> > Like Kermit, I too am a 600 fan. Glad to see another show up on the >> > Forum. It sometimes seems like Kermit, Bala and I are among the only >> > hard-core 2-head holdouts here! >> >> I've actualy thought of starting a Nakamichi 600 "appreciation society" >> that would include the 1000, 700, 600, 600-II, 550, 500, 350 and 250. At >> the very least, I'd have to include the 500 and 550 so mine do not feel >> slighted. Doubt I'll ever get the time to do it, but I really love these >> older decks, even the two-head ones. Bala has 22 cassettes, mainly >> Nakamichis, so I think he has us all beat with regard to passion. I have >> only two 600-II, one 600, two 550, one 500, one BX-2 (although it's >> slated to be disposed of) and one 581, which I'm trying to resurrect. >> >> I know I could always set my ego aside and send the 581 off to be >> repaired, but vainly trying to fix the 581 has become sport for me. In >> truth, the 581 isn't as valuable to me as the other decks. If I sent >> anything off for repair or restoration it would be the 550 or one ofthe >> 600 series. >> >> -- >> Kermit Gray >> Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >> http://www.woods-and-waters.com >> http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos – Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover Photo Books. You design it and we’ll bind it! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From greynolds at newsguy.com Thu Jan 12 05:23:55 2006 From: greynolds at newsguy.com (greynolds at newsguy.com) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:23:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: There is hope References: <20060112032658.65307.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001d01c61730$007710f0$6401a8c0@geoffwin2k> Guys, A ton of misinformation is being spread about the iPod here - it would seem prudent to take a quick trip to Apple's web site (http://www.apple.com/ipod/specs.html would be a great place to start) rather than guessing... The iPod will play several formats, including lossless: http://www.apple.com/ipod/specs.html iPod shuffle: MP3 (8 to 320 Kbps), MP3 VBR, AAC (8 to 320 Kbps), Protected AAC (from iTunes Music Store, M4A, M4B, M4P), Audible (formats 2, 3, and 4) and WAV iPod nano and iPod: AAC (16 to 320 Kbps), Protected AAC (from iTunes Music Store), MP3 (16 to 320 Kbps), MP3 VBR, Audible (formats 2, 3 and 4), Apple Lossless, WAV, AIFF I'm sure the larger iPod models will continue to use the small hard drives in the larger capacity models - flash memory hasn't even come close to being affordable (or even available to my knowledge) in 30 and 60 GB capacities. For what it is, the iPod is an amazing little device. IMO, the user interface is quite good and sound quality is too - it certainly doesn't have anything over full size equipment one would use in a high end home system, but it really isn't intended to. -- Geoffrey Reynolds http://www.homeautomation.geoff-reynolds.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bala Ganesh Chandra" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 10:26 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: There is hope > Thats right Scott. Not too sure if the ipod plays mp3..? Fred? > The earlier ipods used Seagate 1inch hard drives, but thanks to bigger and cheaper flash memory, they are switching to flash memory. This solves a lot of the ipods durability problem. Because giants like Sony have stopped innovating, people are buying such low quality stuff thats being pushed to them. The last time mp3s had a competitor was mini-disc. But mini-disc sounded so much better. Sony seems to be almost dropping the format, but its been adapted even in professional circles and I feel it still has some way to go. > > Scott Johnson wrote: Not MP3. iPODs use Advanced Audio Coding (AAC). > Or do they play MP3 files as well. I don't know. I'm not one of the > 14 million. > > SJ > > --- Fred Lifton wrote: > > > On the other hand, Apple sold 14 million iPods over the holiday > > season. Yep, you read that right , FOURTEEN MILLION. Man, that's a > > > > lot bad quality MP3 sound... > > cheers anyway, > > Fred (who only uses his iPod when he's working with power tools) > > > > > > On Jan 11, 2006, at 7:54 AM, Bala wrote: > > > > > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > > > Date: January 11, 2006 3:42:15 AM PST > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > Subject: [naktalk] There is hope.. > > > Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > Came across this article in yahoo news. http:// > > > news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20060110/tc_pcworld/124312 > > > > > > Regards > > > Bala > > > 79 Labs > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Photos - Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover > Photo Books. You design it and we'll bind it! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Jan 12 05:34:40 2006 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 04:34:40 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] re:New to Naktalk-Help with Nak 600 Message-ID: Shalom Ron! Take my heart fully help...when you wife we say something, after that you bring a "NEW" toy...home...write me 100% exactly what she say, as my native language is Spanish...so I can translate word by word...! Don't worry...Ron...be 100% happy!!! Cheers, ALEX! >From: Ron >Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] re:New to Naktalk-Help with Nak 600 >Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:14:46 -0500 > > >LOL! I must be very lucky with my wife. Whenever I come >down with the desire (nay! the *need*) for a new toy, >she sweetly says, 'sure, go ahead and get it'. (She may >then mutter something under her breath, but it's often >in Spanish and I usually don't understand Spanish :-) ). > >-- Ron > > >Alex Cozac wrote: >>Bravo Bala...STILL FIRM...NO matter whatever you new wife will say!!!! >> >>Happens with mine (27 years of marriage), all the time I acquired >>something new or received a gift...SHE MUST...say >>something...seriously...I'm tired...of hearing her! >> >>That's is our life when we have some "HOBBY"...NOT so common comprehended >>by any WIFE....! >> >>Cheers, >> >>ALEX! >> >> >> >> >> >>>From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >>>Decks >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] re:New to Naktalk-Help with Nak 600 >>>Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:11:11 -0800 (PST) >>> >>>Hi Kermit, >>> >>> Thanks! I see the difference in various people as to how they >>>esteem their Naks. Having got recently married, my dad's advised me to >>>'clear some of the decks out'. My reply, in front of my new wife is, >>>"Over my dead body". Then comes your good self, who has names your >>>valuable decks and have waxed lyrical about the 600 (which I found was >>>entirely true after hearing my own 600!). I would also like to mention >>>Alex, who stands firmly by his Dragon. There are many others who also >>>believe in their Naks, which may not be right up there, but gives them >>>that 60 minutes (for a C60 tape) of bliss. And they are loyal and >>>faithful to their deck for that. I respect you gentlemen and I learn from >>>the passion of each and every one of you. >>> >>> from my memory, >>> Cassette Decks: >>> Nak 700 >>> Nak 700 II >>> Nak 600 >>> Nak 670ZX >>> Nak 680ZX (4) >>> Nak 700ZXL (3) >>> Nak 1000ZXL (3) >>> Nak Dragon >>> Nak CR7 >>> Nak DR10 >>>Aiwa F990 >>> Aiwa XK009 Excelia >>> Aiwa AD 6700 (2) >>> Technics RS-M95 >>> >>> Regards >>> Bala Ganesh >>> 79 Labs >>> >>> "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: Hi Keith, >>> >>>Keith Dawson wrote: >>> > Like Kermit, I too am a 600 fan. Glad to see another show up on >>>the >>> > Forum. It sometimes seems like Kermit, Bala and I are among the only >>> > hard-core 2-head holdouts here! >>> >>>I've actualy thought of starting a Nakamichi 600 "appreciation society" >>>that would include the 1000, 700, 600, 600-II, 550, 500, 350 and 250. At >>>the very least, I'd have to include the 500 and 550 so mine do not feel >>>slighted. Doubt I'll ever get the time to do it, but I really love these >>>older decks, even the two-head ones. Bala has 22 cassettes, mainly >>>Nakamichis, so I think he has us all beat with regard to passion. I have >>>only two 600-II, one 600, two 550, one 500, one BX-2 (although it's >>>slated to be disposed of) and one 581, which I'm trying to resurrect. >>> >>>I know I could always set my ego aside and send the 581 off to be >>>repaired, but vainly trying to fix the 581 has become sport for me. In >>>truth, the 581 isn't as valuable to me as the other decks. If I sent >>>anything off for repair or restoration it would be the 550 or one ofthe >>>600 series. >>> >>>-- >>>Kermit Gray >>>Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >>>http://www.woods-and-waters.com >>>http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 12 05:55:23 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:55:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] re:New to Naktalk-Help with Nak 600 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060112045523.59273.qmail@web32810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> And please Ron, do it offline. I believe there is more then one person who understands Spanish :) Bala Alex Cozac wrote: Shalom Ron! Take my heart fully help...when you wife we say something, after that you bring a "NEW" toy...home...write me 100% exactly what she say, as my native language is Spanish...so I can translate word by word...! Don't worry...Ron...be 100% happy!!! Cheers, ALEX! >From: Ron >Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] re:New to Naktalk-Help with Nak 600 >Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:14:46 -0500 > > >LOL! I must be very lucky with my wife. Whenever I come >down with the desire (nay! the *need*) for a new toy, >she sweetly says, 'sure, go ahead and get it'. (She may >then mutter something under her breath, but it's often >in Spanish and I usually don't understand Spanish :-) ). > >-- Ron > > >Alex Cozac wrote: >>Bravo Bala...STILL FIRM...NO matter whatever you new wife will say!!!! >> >>Happens with mine (27 years of marriage), all the time I acquired >>something new or received a gift...SHE MUST...say >>something...seriously...I'm tired...of hearing her! >> >>That's is our life when we have some "HOBBY"...NOT so common comprehended >>by any WIFE....! >> >>Cheers, >> >>ALEX! >> >> >> >> >> >>>From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >>>Decks >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] re:New to Naktalk-Help with Nak 600 >>>Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:11:11 -0800 (PST) >>> >>>Hi Kermit, >>> >>> Thanks! I see the difference in various people as to how they >>>esteem their Naks. Having got recently married, my dad's advised me to >>>'clear some of the decks out'. My reply, in front of my new wife is, >>>"Over my dead body". Then comes your good self, who has names your >>>valuable decks and have waxed lyrical about the 600 (which I found was >>>entirely true after hearing my own 600!). I would also like to mention >>>Alex, who stands firmly by his Dragon. There are many others who also >>>believe in their Naks, which may not be right up there, but gives them >>>that 60 minutes (for a C60 tape) of bliss. And they are loyal and >>>faithful to their deck for that. I respect you gentlemen and I learn from >>>the passion of each and every one of you. >>> >>> from my memory, >>> Cassette Decks: >>> Nak 700 >>> Nak 700 II >>> Nak 600 >>> Nak 670ZX >>> Nak 680ZX (4) >>> Nak 700ZXL (3) >>> Nak 1000ZXL (3) >>> Nak Dragon >>> Nak CR7 >>> Nak DR10 >>>Aiwa F990 >>> Aiwa XK009 Excelia >>> Aiwa AD 6700 (2) >>> Technics RS-M95 >>> >>> Regards >>> Bala Ganesh >>> 79 Labs >>> >>> "Kermit V. Gray" wrote: Hi Keith, >>> >>>Keith Dawson wrote: >>> > Like Kermit, I too am a 600 fan. Glad to see another show up on >>>the >>> > Forum. It sometimes seems like Kermit, Bala and I are among the only >>> > hard-core 2-head holdouts here! >>> >>>I've actualy thought of starting a Nakamichi 600 "appreciation society" >>>that would include the 1000, 700, 600, 600-II, 550, 500, 350 and 250. At >>>the very least, I'd have to include the 500 and 550 so mine do not feel >>>slighted. Doubt I'll ever get the time to do it, but I really love these >>>older decks, even the two-head ones. Bala has 22 cassettes, mainly >>>Nakamichis, so I think he has us all beat with regard to passion. I have >>>only two 600-II, one 600, two 550, one 500, one BX-2 (although it's >>>slated to be disposed of) and one 581, which I'm trying to resurrect. >>> >>>I know I could always set my ego aside and send the 581 off to be >>>repaired, but vainly trying to fix the 581 has become sport for me. In >>>truth, the 581 isn't as valuable to me as the other decks. If I sent >>>anything off for repair or restoration it would be the 550 or one ofthe >>>600 series. >>> >>>-- >>>Kermit Gray >>>Woods & Waters/KVG Labs >>>http://www.woods-and-waters.com >>>http://www.woods-and-waters.com/nakathon/index.html for pro audio info >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graker at woods-and-waters.com Thu Jan 12 06:27:37 2006 From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:27:37 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nak CM-100 mics and 9-volt batteries. Message-ID: <43C5E8C9.6010904@woods-and-waters.com> Hi Fellow Nakaphiliacs, Well, my curiosity got the better of me. I put a 9-volt Eveready 206 into my Nak CM-100 mic. The good news is that it didn't ruin the mic or fry the head amp. The bad news is that the mic seemed to sound harsh. Perhaps the extra voltage and current misbiases the head amp's FET, allowing the mic to clip. The mic did sound quieter. This summer I might tinker with the bias resistor for the FET and see if I can make the mic sound clearer. Still sounds dry as a bone, though. But if I can make it quieter by using a 9-volt dry cell then I might use it more often. So, if you have a CM-100 mic, use the 1.5 AA size dry cell as the manual specifies. -- Kermit Gray Woods & Waters/KVG Labs http://www.woods-and-waters.com From mhugo at sunint.co.za Thu Jan 12 08:22:29 2006 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc hugo) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:22:29 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: There is hope Message-ID: Quite so, it handles all these formats up to 16 bit (WAV). The joke is the concept (as jointly developed with Meridian) of "Lossless" Packing. And I don't mean the technology - which is better or at least no worse than the various Frauenhofer versions of PASC (such as MP2L4, 3, M4 etc) but the using of a term that insinuates there is no loss is laughable. Or to be polite, a terminological inexactitude (W. Churchill). Marc >>> 1/12/2006 6:23:55 AM >>> Guys, A ton of misinformation is being spread about the iPod here - it would seem prudent to take a quick trip to Apple's web site (http://www.apple.com/ipod/specs.html would be a great place to start) rather than guessing... The iPod will play several formats, including lossless: http://www.apple.com/ipod/specs.html iPod shuffle: MP3 (8 to 320 Kbps), MP3 VBR, AAC (8 to 320 Kbps), Protected AAC (from iTunes Music Store, M4A, M4B, M4P), Audible (formats 2, 3, and 4) and WAV iPod nano and iPod: AAC (16 to 320 Kbps), Protected AAC (from iTunes Music Store), MP3 (16 to 320 Kbps), MP3 VBR, Audible (formats 2, 3 and 4), Apple Lossless, WAV, AIFF I'm sure the larger iPod models will continue to use the small hard drives in the larger capacity models - flash memory hasn't even come close to being affordable (or even available to my knowledge) in 30 and 60 GB capacities. For what it is, the iPod is an amazing little device. IMO, the user interface is quite good and sound quality is too - it certainly doesn't have anything over full size equipment one would use in a high end home system, but it really isn't intended to. -- Geoffrey Reynolds http://www.homeautomation.geoff-reynolds.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bala Ganesh Chandra" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 10:26 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: There is hope > Thats right Scott. Not too sure if the ipod plays mp3..? Fred? > The earlier ipods used Seagate 1inch hard drives, but thanks to bigger and cheaper flash memory, they are switching to flash memory. This solves a lot of the ipods durability problem. Because giants like Sony have stopped innovating, people are buying such low quality stuff thats being pushed to them. The last time mp3s had a competitor was mini-disc. But mini-disc sounded so much better. Sony seems to be almost dropping the format, but its been adapted even in professional circles and I feel it still has some way to go. > > Scott Johnson wrote: Not MP3. iPODs use Advanced Audio Coding (AAC). > Or do they play MP3 files as well. I don't know. I'm not one of the > 14 million. > > SJ > > --- Fred Lifton wrote: > > > On the other hand, Apple sold 14 million iPods over the holiday > > season. Yep, you read that right , FOURTEEN MILLION. Man, that's a > > > > lot bad quality MP3 sound... > > cheers anyway, > > Fred (who only uses his iPod when he's working with power tools) > > > > > > On Jan 11, 2006, at 7:54 AM, Bala wrote: > > > > > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > > > Date: January 11, 2006 3:42:15 AM PST > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > Subject: [naktalk] There is hope.. > > > Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > Came across this article in yahoo news. http:// > > > news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20060110/tc_pcworld/124312 > > > > > > Regards > > > Bala > > > 79 Labs > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? 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From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Thu Jan 12 02:59:04 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:59:04 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: There is hope In-Reply-To: <20060112014405.19782.qmail@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060112014405.19782.qmail@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43C5B7E8.9060606@yahoo.ca> I'm not one of the 14 million either but they don't play MP3s. They are re-encoded to AAC(non-lossless) with DRM, loseing even more information(It's the only thing that iPod can play). I use a CD-R/RW MP3. I've got no DRM and no space limit!(Physical space could be limited in some cases tho) Anyways, I don't use it often so why bothering getting a flash or HDD player? Antoine Deschênes Scott Johnson a écrit : > Not MP3. iPODs use Advanced Audio Coding (AAC). > Or do they play MP3 files as well. I don't know. I'm not one of the > 14 million. > > SJ > > --- Fred Lifton wrote: > > >> On the other hand, Apple sold 14 million iPods over the holiday >> season. Yep, you read that right , FOURTEEN MILLION. Man, that's a >> lot bad quality MP3 sound... >> cheers anyway, >> Fred (who only uses his iPod when he's working with power tools) >> >> >> On Jan 11, 2006, at 7:54 AM, Bala wrote: >> >>> From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >>> Date: January 11, 2006 3:42:15 AM PST >>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> Subject: [naktalk] There is hope.. >>> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> >>> Hi everyone, >>> Came across this article in yahoo news. http:// >>> news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20060110/tc_pcworld/124312 >>> >>> Regards >>> Bala >>> 79 Labs >>> From shorty at nznet.gen.nz Thu Jan 12 10:25:42 2006 From: shorty at nznet.gen.nz (Martin Short) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 22:25:42 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] MEK and cleaning... Message-ID: <002201c6175a$2927af80$0201a8c0@lan> "MEK will definitely damage plastic and paint. As a matter of fact, I use it to strip paint off older instrument cases prior to repainting. MEK will also dry out rubber. Unless I was forced to -- and I never was -- I'll stick with alcohol and use *that* sparingly. That's me. Others -- including Stephen -- are certainly entitled to their respective opinions." My opinion, as an Industrial Chemist, in paints and adhesives.. MEK will damage some plastics, specifically styrenics, and will destroy polycarbonate. Short term it does not damage olefin plastics, eg PE/PP, or nylon,delrin and the like. It is certainly a good aggressive solvent for making certain paints and adhesives. Most of the plastics used in Hi Fi facia panels are typically ABS and derivatives, ie: styrenics, and Naks are no exception... 580 series and LX series spring to mind, being moulded and painted ABS.. so spilling MEK on these will damage the plastic, and damage the paintwork irretrievebly. It will not harm the internal mechanism gears or levers in my experience, but keep it clear of the analogue tape counter if your deck has one, and it will strip out any lubricants with ease if it can get at them.. MEK is a good solvent for rubber and will dissolve it in time.. most rubber based adhesives have a portion of MEK to maintain solubility. It can appear to dry out rubber, but this is usually a synthetic rubber which can have a butadiene or styrene component which is preferentially stripped out and can lead to splits and cracking, (particularly noticeable in cheap TPR's), but if left long enough the mass will fully dissolve. However, if the rubber is of good quality then MEK can be a useful cleaner. If the rubber part, belt or wheel has a 'glazed' drive surface, then no amount of IPA will shift this and you will be forever left with a slippery skiddy 'no grip' surface. Sparing use of MEK, and I say sparing... eg:a damp cotton bud can strip this layer off. Just keep applying until the surface appears 'matt' again, no more, then allow the rubber to recover, say overnight to be absolutely safe. The surface should be usable with the original grip restored. ( by inference, I understand this is what Steven Sank used it for) I will also point out that I will generally always try alcohol first.. always start with the least harmful and work up from there!, and this is also no substitute for replacement with new OEM parts or similar. One of my 582's, originally bought as a non playing parts deck for the other, was found to be basically OK, the problem was simply that the belts and pinch rollers were all badly glazed up so no drive. The offending parts were MEK'd, and a little bit of contact cleaner... the deck continues to function happily to this day in my study.. in fact playing a Dusty Springfield tape as I type this, making the deck a veritable bargain of the century at $60NZ! Similarly my 580 had it's drive and mode control belts treated this way and my LX3 had it's mode control belt cleaned along with the half twist trick, and both decks also still function OK, so I haven't needed to go back under the bonnet and change the belts as yet now that I have replacements.. and it is now a couple of years down the track too. On the subject of toxicity, MEK is not classifiable as to human carcinogenty, and is not listed as a carcinogen..... this one of those urban legends that continue to be perpetuated to this day. What MEK IS however is an Eyes Nose Throat irritant, and chronic exposure can lead to neurological/liver/renal/lung damage, so yes it is not pleasent stuff and should be used with appropriate precautions such as adequate ventilation, solvent resistant gloves etc, and if in your breathing space.. an organic vapour mask. Lastly, there have been some references to trichrolorethane and the like as used in industrial cleaners for electronic components. There are two chemicals used for the same applications and commonly confused, and it is easy to see why, I have to stop and think myself sometimes..: 111 Trichloroethylene: similar chronic effects to MEK, and also a potential carcinogen, so should be used with care. 111 trichloroethane: This one is the OZONE depleter. Nowhere near as bad for toxicity, is not a known carcinogen, but still, exposure is best avoided. As always, if in doubt, check with a reputable agency such as the EPA, or Agency for toxic substances and diseases,etc, before using a chemical. MS -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michael_martorana at lineone.net Thu Jan 12 13:00:18 2006 From: michael_martorana at lineone.net (michael_martorana at lineone.net) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:00:18 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: There is hope In-Reply-To: <200601120525.k0C5PbXd005149@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <43B85C280003BE85@mk-cpfrontend-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com> Hi all Like Bala I too prefer the sound of Minidisc to MP3 players. You might be interested to know that the new SONY MP3 hard disk and flash memory players can playback ATRAC3 encoded files as well as MP3. The software you get with it can also convert data from MP3 / WMA / WAV to ATRAC3 (66-132kbps) or ATRAC3plus (48-256Kbps). Cheers Michael >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bala Ganesh Chandra" >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 10:26 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: There is hope > > >> Thats right Scott. Not too sure if the ipod plays mp3..? Fred? >> The earlier ipods used Seagate 1inch hard drives, but thanks to bigger >and cheaper flash memory, they are switching to flash memory. This solves >a >lot of the ipods durability problem. Because giants like Sony have stopped >innovating, people are buying such low quality stuff thats being pushed to >them. The last time mp3s had a competitor was mini-disc. But mini-disc >sounded so much better. Sony seems to be almost dropping the format, but >its >been adapted even in professional circles and I feel it still has some way >to go. >> >> Scott Johnson wrote: Not MP3. iPODs use Advanced Audio >Coding (AAC). >> Or do they play MP3 files as well. I don't know. I'm not one of the >> 14 million. >> >> SJ >> >> --- Fred Lifton wrote: >> >> > On the other hand, Apple sold 14 million iPods over the holiday >> > season. Yep, you read that right , FOURTEEN MILLION. Man, that's a >> > >> > lot bad quality MP3 sound... >> > cheers anyway, >> > Fred (who only uses his iPod when he's working with power tools) >> > >> > >> > On Jan 11, 2006, at 7:54 AM, Bala wrote: >> > >> > > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >> > > Date: January 11, 2006 3:42:15 AM PST >> > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> > > Subject: [naktalk] There is hope.. >> > > Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Hi everyone, >> > > >> > > Came across this article in yahoo news. http:// >> > > news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20060110/tc_pcworld/124312 >> > > >> > > Regards >> > > Bala >> > > 79 Labs >> > > ___________________________________________________________ Tiscali Broadband from 14.99 with free setup! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ From matyas at bluewin.ch Thu Jan 12 12:58:50 2006 From: matyas at bluewin.ch (Matyas) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:58:50 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A testing and results RMAA Message-ID: <43C6447A.1070608@bluewin.ch> How happy I am to see RMAA user here!!! Excellent initiative! I can share SAV files (RMAA analysis files), which can be used do make a comparison report. (better than HTML report, as we can zoom in the sizable windows an stack many results together) My sound card is M-Audio Delta 66. I can post: results for: Dragon (burr-brown op-amps) 680ZX line 582 700 II 550 LX-3 Sony- TC-K750ES Sony WM-D6C As there is some options in RMAA, it would be nice to make a full bandwidth report, up to 45 kHz, as well as a 20 - 20 K standard analysis. By this way, I see that Dragon line amp have a very short bandwidth ! (I imagine that there is some loss in the opto fader.) Does anyone here have an idea about the limiting bandwidth elements (notch filter) in Dragon ?. -30 dB @ 27 kHz ! but flat +/-0.1 dB from 15 Hz to 15 kHz. -3 dB @ 21500 Hz. I am very curious about the CR-7 on this point. Dragon & CR-7 are identical in audio path schematics. line stage only difference of the CR-7 is FET transistors switching instead of mechanical switches in Dragon. On this point, I imagine that here is less inductive effect, (Dragon is full of too many wires) thus surely CR-7 sound is more fresh & direct. (I never heard one) Hehehe... Nakamichi 700 II does have the lowest & smoothest Sweep IMD factor of my collection... and lowest THD ! I was very surprised of it, considering its age, but on the other hand, comfort my preference for its lively sonic sparkle that newer Naks have in a lesser degree.. Ti Kan, It seems that my Dragon have a slightly better crosstalk than your CR-7. (is it a head height issue?) I wait your following tests... Please, consider to make downloadable your .sav files ;-) NOTE: important: keep in mind that we can't compare .sav of different sampling rates. Ideally, standard should be 96/24 Regards, Matyas From ti at amb.org Thu Jan 12 13:46:57 2006 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 04:46:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A testing and results RMAA In-Reply-To: <43C6447A.1070608@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: <20060112124657.5228521CE6@smtp.amb.org> Matyas writes: > How happy I am to see RMAA user here!!! > Excellent initiative! Cool. :) > I can post: results for: > Dragon (burr-brown op-amps) I would be interested in your Dragon's .sav file to contrast against what I measure (when I get around to it). > By this way, I see that Dragon line > amp have a very short bandwidth ! > (I imagine that there is some loss in the opto fader.) Does anyone here > have an idea about the limiting bandwidth elements (notch filter) > in Dragon ?. -30 dB @ 27 kHz ! but flat +/-0.1 dB from 15 Hz to 15 kHz. > -3 dB @ 21500 Hz. > I am very curious about the CR-7 on this point. It's essentially the same I think. If you look at my CR-7A RMAA HTML report, the "source loopback" frequency response curve shows a very steep rolloff above 20KHz. > Ti Kan, It seems that my Dragon have a slightly better crosstalk than > your CR-7. (is it a head height issue?) > I wait your following tests... I don't know, but I think differences in testing procedure can also affect the crosstalk result greatly. I set my CR-7A's input and output level controls all to maximum, and used the M-Audio Firewire Audiophile's line-out volume control to set the actual recording level. I feel that this eliminates any contribution to noise or crosstalk from the cassette deck's potentiometers. The M-Audio sound interface's volume controls are all digital so there is no such issue. > NOTE: important: keep in mind that we can't compare .sav of different > sampling rates. > Ideally, standard should be 96/24 This is true. So far I've also collected a very large number of .sav result files for other gear (not cassette decks), but most of them are run at 32b/96k. I also have some results via a M-Audio Transit, at 16b/44.1k. I found that the Firewire Audiophile has a slightly lower noise floor at 32b/96k than 24b/96k. Not that it matters when measuring cassette decks, but when we're testing very quiet amplifiers, it actually makes a difference. -Ti From matyas at bluewin.ch Thu Jan 12 14:25:23 2006 From: matyas at bluewin.ch (Matyas) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 14:25:23 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A testing and results RMAA Message-ID: <43C658C3.4090502@bluewin.ch> Hi Ti! let me a day to prepare & host the file. I hope you have yet the sav's from your CR-7 test, I am pretty much interested to get them. 32b/96k and 24b/96k are basically the same, they are both 96 K SR. (compatible on staked results) 32 bit is not exploited by M-Audio, which resolution don't exceed 24 bit. 32 bit mode increase RMAA internal calculation precision. So, yes I rectify, Standard must be 96/32 Best, Matyas From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 12 15:20:04 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 06:20:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: There is hope In-Reply-To: <43B85C280003BE85@mk-cpfrontend-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com> Message-ID: <20060112142004.56255.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Micheal, I am using the JA555-ES mini disc deck which uses a Type R ATRAC system Apparently, this is the best version amongst the ATRAC. However, it doesnt allow variable quality (unlike MDLP). Its really awesome, has a response down to 5Hz and is miles ahead of even the high bit rate mp3s. Regards Bala michael_martorana at lineone.net wrote: Hi all Like Bala I too prefer the sound of Minidisc to MP3 players. You might be interested to know that the new SONY MP3 hard disk and flash memory players can playback ATRAC3 encoded files as well as MP3. The software you get with it can also convert data from MP3 / WMA / WAV to ATRAC3 (66-132kbps) or ATRAC3plus (48-256Kbps). Cheers Michael >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bala Ganesh Chandra" >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 10:26 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: There is hope > > >> Thats right Scott. Not too sure if the ipod plays mp3..? Fred? >> The earlier ipods used Seagate 1inch hard drives, but thanks to bigger >and cheaper flash memory, they are switching to flash memory. This solves >a >lot of the ipods durability problem. Because giants like Sony have stopped >innovating, people are buying such low quality stuff thats being pushed to >them. The last time mp3s had a competitor was mini-disc. But mini-disc >sounded so much better. Sony seems to be almost dropping the format, but >its >been adapted even in professional circles and I feel it still has some way >to go. >> >> Scott Johnson wrote: Not MP3. iPODs use Advanced Audio >Coding (AAC). >> Or do they play MP3 files as well. I don't know. I'm not one of the >> 14 million. >> >> SJ >> >> --- Fred Lifton wrote: >> >> > On the other hand, Apple sold 14 million iPods over the holiday >> > season. Yep, you read that right , FOURTEEN MILLION. Man, that's a >> > >> > lot bad quality MP3 sound... >> > cheers anyway, >> > Fred (who only uses his iPod when he's working with power tools) >> > >> > >> > On Jan 11, 2006, at 7:54 AM, Bala wrote: >> > >> > > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >> > > Date: January 11, 2006 3:42:15 AM PST >> > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> > > Subject: [naktalk] There is hope.. >> > > Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Hi everyone, >> > > >> > > Came across this article in yahoo news. http:// >> > > news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20060110/tc_pcworld/124312 >> > > >> > > Regards >> > > Bala >> > > 79 Labs >> > > ___________________________________________________________ Tiscali Broadband from 14.99 with free setup! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From greynolds at newsguy.com Thu Jan 12 15:36:47 2006 From: greynolds at newsguy.com (Geoffrey Reynolds) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:36:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: There is hope References: <20060112014405.19782.qmail@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <43C5B7E8.9060606@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <003701c61785$a173d510$15eeb3a4@tfcorp.tfn.com> From: "Antoine Deschênes" > I'm not one of the 14 million either but they don't play MP3s. They are > re-encoded to AAC(non-lossless) with DRM, loseing even more > information(It's the only thing that iPod can play). Wrong. iPods do play MP3's - I have 6000 of them on my iPod. Can you guys PLEASE research things a bit before posting information on something you know nothing about? PLEASE?? -- Geoffrey Reynolds http://homeautomation.geoff-reynolds.net/ From mhugo at sunint.co.za Thu Jan 12 16:28:23 2006 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc hugo) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:28:23 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: There is hope... Bala's JA555ES Message-ID: Hi Bala There's no comparison - that MD deck is the best ever made. Standardized ATRAC reduction 4.0, 4.5, 5.0 and R are all basically a factor of 5 - i.e. 20% of data is retained in an averaged timed stream. MP3 standard is a factor of 12 (retaining an average of 8.3% of data in the stream) and discarding the rest. Using the ISO-MPEG Audio Layer-3 format, the 192kbps encode would translate to a 12.5% data retention based on the standardised algorithim and 96kbps is, as you guessed 6.25%. Of course there are continuous variations. As the variations gravitate downwards, other techniques are introduced. For instance,limiting bandwidth will be applied to save data in order to minimise the perception of further loss of tonal qualities. These solutions are applied as bitrates drop. Dynamic ranges can also be narrowed to generally further the main ends of perceptual coding (to keep the music sounding as unchanged as possible). This is why in reality it is data reduction - not "compression" as sometimes cited. It's all fun - I think of it as the musical equivalent of fast foods. But it ain't haute cuisine.... Now your MD is a different thing - same concept but it's always "of a standard". MD and DCC would be as far as I would want to go. DCC is a rigid factor of 4. Cheers all - Marc >>> bg3009 at yahoo.com 1/12/2006 4:20:04 PM >>> Hi Micheal, I am using the JA555-ES mini disc deck which uses a Type R ATRAC system Apparently, this is the best version amongst the ATRAC. However, it doesnt allow variable quality (unlike MDLP). Its really awesome, has a response down to 5Hz and is miles ahead of even the high bit rate mp3s. Regards Bala michael_martorana at lineone.net wrote: Hi all Like Bala I too prefer the sound of Minidisc to MP3 players. You might be interested to know that the new SONY MP3 hard disk and flash memory players can playback ATRAC3 encoded files as well as MP3. The software you get with it can also convert data from MP3 / WMA / WAV to ATRAC3 (66-132kbps) or ATRAC3plus (48-256Kbps). Cheers Michael >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bala Ganesh Chandra" >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 10:26 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: There is hope > > >> Thats right Scott. Not too sure if the ipod plays mp3..? Fred? >> The earlier ipods used Seagate 1inch hard drives, but thanks to bigger >and cheaper flash memory, they are switching to flash memory. This solves >a >lot of the ipods durability problem. Because giants like Sony have stopped >innovating, people are buying such low quality stuff thats being pushed to >them. The last time mp3s had a competitor was mini-disc. But mini-disc >sounded so much better. Sony seems to be almost dropping the format, but >its >been adapted even in professional circles and I feel it still has some way >to go. >> >> Scott Johnson wrote: Not MP3. iPODs use Advanced Audio >Coding (AAC). >> Or do they play MP3 files as well. I don't know. I'm not one of the >> 14 million. >> >> SJ >> >> --- Fred Lifton wrote: >> >> > On the other hand, Apple sold 14 million iPods over the holiday >> > season. Yep, you read that right , FOURTEEN MILLION. Man, that's a >> > >> > lot bad quality MP3 sound... >> > cheers anyway, >> > Fred (who only uses his iPod when he's working with power tools) >> > >> > >> > On Jan 11, 2006, at 7:54 AM, Bala wrote: >> > >> > > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >> > > Date: January 11, 2006 3:42:15 AM PST >> > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> > > Subject: [naktalk] There is hope.. >> > > Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Hi everyone, >> > > >> > > Came across this article in yahoo news. http:// >> > > news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20060110/tc_pcworld/124312 >> > > >> > > Regards >> > > Bala >> > > 79 Labs >> > > ___________________________________________________________ Tiscali Broadband from 14.99 with free setup! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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From britri at comcast.net Thu Jan 12 19:01:19 2006 From: britri at comcast.net (Brien Stocker) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:01:19 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: i tunes In-Reply-To: <001d01c61730$007710f0$6401a8c0@geoffwin2k> References: <20060112032658.65307.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001d01c61730$007710f0$6401a8c0@geoffwin2k> Message-ID: Furthermore, has anybody tried the airport express with air tunes. This is absolutely the neatest gadget I have purchased. It interfaces with i tunes and will wirelessly rip audio from your computer over to your sound system and present in either analog or digital whatever is playing on your itunes software. I have not used the digital out with a great d/a converter, but for $129.00 and a system like mine which I never turn off, a few mouse clicks gets me instant sound in the next room. It was an award winner in sterfeophile not for sound quality but for absolute great music convenience. best, Brien On Jan 11, 2006, at 8:23 PM, greynolds at newsguy.com wrote: > Guys, > > A ton of misinformation is being spread about the iPod here - it > would seem > prudent to take a quick trip to Apple's web site > (http://www.apple.com/ipod/specs.html would be a great place to start) > rather than guessing... The iPod will play several formats, including > lossless: > > http://www.apple.com/ipod/specs.html > > iPod shuffle: > MP3 (8 to 320 Kbps), MP3 VBR, AAC (8 to 320 Kbps), Protected AAC (from > iTunes Music Store, M4A, M4B, M4P), Audible (formats 2, 3, and 4) > and WAV > > iPod nano and iPod: > AAC (16 to 320 Kbps), Protected AAC (from iTunes Music Store), MP3 > (16 to > 320 Kbps), MP3 VBR, Audible (formats 2, 3 and 4), Apple Lossless, > WAV, AIFF > > I'm sure the larger iPod models will continue to use the small hard > drives > in the larger capacity models - flash memory hasn't even come close > to being > affordable (or even available to my knowledge) in 30 and 60 GB > capacities. > > For what it is, the iPod is an amazing little device. IMO, the user > interface is quite good and sound quality is too - it certainly > doesn't have > anything over full size equipment one would use in a high end home > system, > but it really isn't intended to. > -- > Geoffrey Reynolds > http://www.homeautomation.geoff-reynolds.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bala Ganesh Chandra" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 10:26 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: There is hope > > >> Thats right Scott. Not too sure if the ipod plays mp3..? Fred? >> The earlier ipods used Seagate 1inch hard drives, but thanks to >> bigger > and cheaper flash memory, they are switching to flash memory. This > solves a > lot of the ipods durability problem. Because giants like Sony have > stopped > innovating, people are buying such low quality stuff thats being > pushed to > them. The last time mp3s had a competitor was mini-disc. But mini-disc > sounded so much better. Sony seems to be almost dropping the > format, but its > been adapted even in professional circles and I feel it still has > some way > to go. >> >> Scott Johnson wrote: Not MP3. iPODs use >> Advanced Audio > Coding (AAC). >> Or do they play MP3 files as well. I don't know. I'm not one of the >> 14 million. >> >> SJ >> >> --- Fred Lifton wrote: >> >>> On the other hand, Apple sold 14 million iPods over the holiday >>> season. Yep, you read that right , FOURTEEN MILLION. Man, that's a >>> >>> lot bad quality MP3 sound... >>> cheers anyway, >>> Fred (who only uses his iPod when he's working with power tools) >>> >>> >>> On Jan 11, 2006, at 7:54 AM, Bala wrote: >>> >>>> From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >>>> Date: January 11, 2006 3:42:15 AM PST >>>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>> Subject: [naktalk] There is hope.. >>>> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi everyone, >>>> >>>> Came across this article in yahoo news. http:// >>>> news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20060110/tc_pcworld/124312 >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Bala >>>> 79 Labs >>>> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: >>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? 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You design it and we'll bind it! > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ > ---- > > >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >> naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From britri at comcast.net Thu Jan 12 19:27:57 2006 From: britri at comcast.net (Brien Stocker) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:27:57 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: There is hope In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <88F83B1F-0290-4180-A3C0-C91DD0EA3330@comcast.net> McIntosh uses this losless term for it's musicbank big hard drive audio device which I heard last weekend at CES, Vegas played thru the huge 3 piece 2kw monoblox and the 122 driver/side loudspeakers. What a disappointment. Don't run out and sell your xrt 22s Bala, Mcintosh's furtherance of the multi driver technology without Roger Russell is going nowhere! But somebogy gave me a 700zxl in working order for nuthin. Made a great show better Brien On Jan 11, 2006, at 11:22 PM, Marc hugo wrote: > Quite so, it handles all these formats up to 16 bit (WAV). The > joke is the concept (as jointly developed with Meridian) of > "Lossless" Packing. And I don't mean the technology - which is > better or at least no worse than the various Frauenhofer versions > of PASC (such as MP2L4, 3, M4 etc) but the using of a term that > insinuates there is no loss is laughable. Or to be polite, a > terminological inexactitude (W. Churchill). > > Marc > From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Thu Jan 12 21:20:06 2006 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:20:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: i tunes In-Reply-To: References: <20060112032658.65307.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001d01c61730$007710f0$6401a8c0@geoffwin2k> Message-ID: <43C6B9F6.1060505@yahoo.ca> I read somewhere that iTunes supports these formats and re-encodes them to AAC to make them readable in the iPod. Maybe it was wrong info. Antoine Deschênes >> Guys, >> >> A ton of misinformation is being spread about the iPod here - it >> would seem >> prudent to take a quick trip to Apple's web site >> (http://www.apple.com/ipod/specs.html would be a great place to start) >> rather than guessing... The iPod will play several formats, including >> lossless: >> >> http://www.apple.com/ipod/specs.html >> >> iPod shuffle: >> MP3 (8 to 320 Kbps), MP3 VBR, AAC (8 to 320 Kbps), Protected AAC (from >> iTunes Music Store, M4A, M4B, M4P), Audible (formats 2, 3, and 4) and >> WAV >> >> iPod nano and iPod: >> AAC (16 to 320 Kbps), Protected AAC (from iTunes Music Store), MP3 >> (16 to >> 320 Kbps), MP3 VBR, Audible (formats 2, 3 and 4), Apple Lossless, >> WAV, AIFF >> >> I'm sure the larger iPod models will continue to use the small hard >> drives >> in the larger capacity models - flash memory hasn't even come close >> to being >> affordable (or even available to my knowledge) in 30 and 60 GB >> capacities. >> >> For what it is, the iPod is an amazing little device. IMO, the user >> interface is quite good and sound quality is too - it certainly >> doesn't have >> anything over full size equipment one would use in a high end home >> system, >> but it really isn't intended to. >> -- >> Geoffrey Reynolds >> http://www.homeautomation.geoff-reynolds.net From greynolds at newsguy.com Fri Jan 13 00:02:19 2006 From: greynolds at newsguy.com (greynolds at newsguy.com) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 18:02:19 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: i tunes References: <20060112032658.65307.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001d01c61730$007710f0$6401a8c0@geoffwin2k> <43C6B9F6.1060505@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <001201c617cc$3d874400$6401a8c0@geoffwin2k> From: "Antoine Deschênes" > I read somewhere that iTunes supports these formats and re-encodes them > to AAC to make them readable in the iPod. Maybe it was wrong info. Yes, it was wrong info. The iPods didn't support AAC at first - it was added later (http://playlistmag.com/features/2004/09/itunesencodepl/index.php). When you purchase songs at the iTunes store, they come to you in AAC format. The iPod itself is capable of decoding the supported formats including the lossless WAV and Apple Lossless formats. I have no issue with people not liking iPods (though I'd suggest you shouldn't knock it till you try it - they really are pretty clever little gizmos), but please stop spreading incorrect information that could be easily checked with a quick google search. In any event this is a Nakamichi forum, isn't it? How about we keep the Nakamichi talk here, as Wouter has requested, and leave the OT iPod discussion elsewhere to avoid spreading misinformation here? -- Geoffrey Reynolds http://www.homeautomation.geoff-reynolds.net From flifton at mac.com Fri Jan 13 03:07:37 2006 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 18:07:37 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: There is hope In-Reply-To: <200601120342.k0C3gVUo004814@zxe.naks.com> References: <200601120342.k0C3gVUo004814@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <3D3E7A48-AA29-44F5-8865-CF7293B8785E@mac.com> iPod's play lots of file types: AAC, MP4, MP3, Apple Lossless (what I use), VBR, Audible, WAV and AIFF. And now lots of video and graphics formats too. Notably, some of the "video formats" (e.g. .MOV) are also used for audio. All that in a package small enough to fit in a pack of cigarettes and still have half the cigarettes in there. They're really quite remarkable little devices, IMHO, they just don't make very good sounding music. cheers, Fred On Jan 11, 2006, at 7:42 PM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > From: Scott Johnson > Date: January 11, 2006 5:44:05 PM PST > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: There is hope > Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > Not MP3. iPODs use Advanced Audio Coding (AAC). > Or do they play MP3 files as well. I don't know. I'm not one of the > 14 million. > > SJ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From flifton at mac.com Fri Jan 13 15:28:38 2006 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 06:28:38 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: MIsinformation In-Reply-To: <200601131100.k0DB04tU009774@zxe.naks.com> References: <200601131100.k0DB04tU009774@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: First, I apologize for my late and OT post on iPod formats. I read the list in digest form and sometimes it takes me awhile to get caught up. That said, I think there is room, perhaps even need, for some misinformation and OT posts on this forum. That's what makes a learning, growing virtual community. I hope I speak for at least some other members when I say that I have had a ton of my own misunderstandings and misapprehensions corrected, expanded, illuminated and explained by this venerable group. In a sense, correcting misinformation is a raison d'etre for this forum. Moreover, straying off-topic is how we learn about each other and become a community (a recent Ham radio discussion, and comments about members' wives come to mind). And often there is wonderful serendipity as we find that some topic on analog cassette decks has a bearing on something seemingly unrelated or vice versa. Of course sometimes we stray too far, but Wouter always gently guides us back on track (as when we get side-tracked on politics once a year or so). So, Geoffrey, I would suggest, with the utmost respect, that perhaps you could cut us all a little more slack. cheers, Fred On Jan 13, 2006, at 3:00 AM, greynolds at newsguy.com wrote: > Yes, it was wrong info. The iPods didn't support AAC at first - it > was > added later > (http://playlistmag.com/features/2004/09/itunesencodepl/ > index.php). When > you purchase songs at the iTunes store, they come to you in AAC > format. The > iPod itself is capable of decoding the supported formats including the > lossless WAV and Apple Lossless formats. I have no issue with > people not > liking iPods (though I'd suggest you shouldn't knock it till you > try it - > they really are pretty clever little gizmos), but please stop > spreading > incorrect information that could be easily checked with a quick google > search. In any event this is a Nakamichi forum, isn't it? How > about we > keep the Nakamichi talk here, as Wouter has requested, and leave > the OT iPod > discussion elsewhere to avoid spreading misinformation here? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Jan 13 16:05:46 2006 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc hugo) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:05:46 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: MIsinformation Message-ID: Thanks Fred, I would agree with that notion - I stray sometimes myself, feebly pasting the string and my twopenny worth into 'audiotalk' to assuage my guilt. But usually I forget. In general tolerance balanced with consideration is what makes this group special. A great weekend to all, Marc >>> flifton at mac.com 1/13/2006 4:28:38 PM >>> First, I apologize for my late and OT post on iPod formats. I read the list in digest form and sometimes it takes me awhile to get caught up. That said, I think there is room, perhaps even need, for some misinformation and OT posts on this forum. That's what makes a learning, growing virtual community. I hope I speak for at least some other members when I say that I have had a ton of my own misunderstandings and misapprehensions corrected, expanded, illuminated and explained by this venerable group. In a sense, correcting misinformation is a raison d'etre for this forum. Moreover, straying off-topic is how we learn about each other and become a community (a recent Ham radio discussion, and comments about members' wives come to mind). And often there is wonderful serendipity as we find that some topic on analog cassette decks has a bearing on something seemingly unrelated or vice versa. Of course sometimes we stray too far, but Wouter always gently guides us back on track (as when we get side-tracked on politics once a year or so). So, Geoffrey, I would suggest, with the utmost respect, that perhaps you could cut us all a little more slack. cheers, Fred On Jan 13, 2006, at 3:00 AM, greynolds at newsguy.com wrote: > Yes, it was wrong info. The iPods didn't support AAC at first - it > was > added later > (http://playlistmag.com/features/2004/09/itunesencodepl/ > index.php). When > you purchase songs at the iTunes store, they come to you in AAC > format. The > iPod itself is capable of decoding the supported formats including the > lossless WAV and Apple Lossless formats. I have no issue with > people not > liking iPods (though I'd suggest you shouldn't knock it till you > try it - > they really are pretty clever little gizmos), but please stop > spreading > incorrect information that could be easily checked with a quick google > search. In any event this is a Nakamichi forum, isn't it? How > about we > keep the Nakamichi talk here, as Wouter has requested, and leave > the OT iPod > discussion elsewhere to avoid spreading misinformation here? The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 13 17:57:08 2006 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 08:57:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: MIsinformation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060113165708.79308.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Fred, I agree with you here, we all need some off topic talk once in a while to keep the community spirit alive.. And misinformation is another form of learning. They key here, is respecting what one knows and tolarence. Being possibly the youngest in the group, I am glad to be endowed with plenty of both qualities. And so are my fellow members here, including you Fred. Without which, Nalktalk wouldn't be what it is. I thus encourage everyone to exercise the same spririt and goodwill. Thank You Best Regards, Bala 79 Labs Fred Lifton wrote:First, I apologize for my late and OT post on iPod formats. I read the list in digest form and sometimes it takes me awhile to get caught up. That said, I think there is room, perhaps even need, for some misinformation and OT posts on this forum. That's what makes a learning, growing virtual community. I hope I speak for at least some other members when I say that I have had a ton of my own misunderstandings and misapprehensions corrected, expanded, illuminated and explained by this venerable group. In a sense, correcting misinformation is a raison d'etre for this forum. Moreover, straying off-topic is how we learn about each other and become a community (a recent Ham radio discussion, and comments about members' wives come to mind). And often there is wonderful serendipity as we find that some topic on analog cassette decks has a bearing on something seemingly unrelated or vice versa. Of course sometimes we stray too far, but Wouter always gently guides us back on track (as when we get side-tracked on politics once a year or so). So, Geoffrey, I would suggest, with the utmost respect, that perhaps you could cut us all a little more slack. cheers, Fred On Jan 13, 2006, at 3:00 AM, greynolds at newsguy.com wrote: Yes, it was wrong info. The iPods didn't support AAC at first - it was added later (http://playlistmag.com/features/2004/09/itunesencodepl/index.php). When you purchase songs at the iTunes store, they come to you in AAC format. The iPod itself is capable of decoding the supported formats including the lossless WAV and Apple Lossless formats. I have no issue with people not liking iPods (though I'd suggest you shouldn't knock it till you try it - they really are pretty clever little gizmos), but please stop spreading incorrect information that could be easily checked with a quick google search. In any event this is a Nakamichi forum, isn't it? How about we keep the Nakamichi talk here, as Wouter has requested, and leave the OT iPod discussion elsewhere to avoid spreading misinformation here? ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From britri at comcast.net Fri Jan 13 18:34:45 2006 From: britri at comcast.net (Brien Stocker) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 09:34:45 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: MIsinformation In-Reply-To: References: <200601131100.k0DB04tU009774@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <4EA87F22-202B-41C5-AD6C-56C261C056C8@comcast.net> Fred, what a nice way of saying, who made you naktalk police, Geoffrey. Frankly, I have never read such a flat out rude request of a discussion group! Brien On Jan 13, 2006, at 6:28 AM, Fred Lifton wrote: > First, I apologize for my late and OT post on iPod formats. I read > the list in digest form and sometimes it takes me awhile to get > caught up. > > That said, I think there is room, perhaps even need, for some > misinformation and OT posts on this forum. That's what makes a > learning, growing virtual community. I hope I speak for at least > some other members when I say that I have had a ton of my own > misunderstandings and misapprehensions corrected, expanded, > illuminated and explained by this venerable group. In a sense, > correcting misinformation is a raison d'etre for this forum. > Moreover, straying off-topic is how we learn about each other and > become a community (a recent Ham radio discussion, and comments > about members' wives come to mind). And often there is wonderful > serendipity as we find that some topic on analog cassette decks has > a bearing on something seemingly unrelated or vice versa. Of course > sometimes we stray too far, but Wouter always gently guides us back > on track (as when we get side-tracked on politics once a year or > so). So, Geoffrey, I would suggest, with the utmost respect, that > perhaps you could cut us all a little more slack. > cheers, > Fred > > On Jan 13, 2006, at 3:00 AM, greynolds at newsguy.com wrote: > >> Yes, it was wrong info. The iPods didn't support AAC at first - >> it was >> added later >> (http://playlistmag.com/features/2004/09/itunesencodepl/ >> index.php). When >> you purchase songs at the iTunes store, they come to you in AAC >> format. The >> iPod itself is capable of decoding the supported formats including >> the >> lossless WAV and Apple Lossless formats. I have no issue with >> people not >> liking iPods (though I'd suggest you shouldn't knock it till you >> try it - >> they really are pretty clever little gizmos), but please stop >> spreading >> incorrect information that could be easily checked with a quick >> google >