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From fsbaker77 at att.net  Fri Apr  1 22:12:23 2011
From: fsbaker77 at att.net (Frank Baker)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 16:12:23 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
Message-ID: <00dd01cbf0a9$1e9dd2f0$5bd978d0$@net>

Hi All,

 

I have a CR-7A which starts to slow down after 2 or 3 minutes of playback.
If I stop and restart it works OK for about a minute then slows down again.
I just replaced both belts, but that didn't help at all.  I just rejoined
the list after about 2 years off, so if this has been recently discussed or
handled, I apologize.  Any ideas would be appreciated.  

 

Frank

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From ronami at yahoo.com  Sat Apr  2 14:28:01 2011
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 05:28:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
In-Reply-To: <00dd01cbf0a9$1e9dd2f0$5bd978d0$@net>
References: <00dd01cbf0a9$1e9dd2f0$5bd978d0$@net>
Message-ID: <550573.72584.qm@web130110.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


If you let it play, does it slow to a crawl and eventually 
stop, or does it continue at a reduced speed? Can you 
hear increased wow?

Does it happen with all cassettes? 

-- Ron




________________________________
From: Frank Baker <fsbaker77 at att.net>
To: naktalk at naks.com
Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 4:12:23 PM
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A problem


Hi All,
 
I have a CR-7A which starts to slow down after 2 or 3 minutes of playback.  If I 
stop and restart it works OK for about a minute then slows down again.  I just 
replaced both belts, but that didn’t help at all.  I just rejoined the list 
after about 2 years off, so if this has been recently discussed or handled, I 
apologize.  Any ideas would be appreciated.  

 
Frank
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From hockeyeast at yahoo.com  Sat Apr  2 13:26:40 2011
From: hockeyeast at yahoo.com (rich)
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 04:26:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] cr-7A or ZX-7
Message-ID: <738649.16269.qm@web31508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>



I know this is subjective but if you had a chance to get a xz-7 or a cr-7a, what are the pros and cons. i have read alot about both online and the cr-7a seems to come out on top, but both seem close. Thanks...Rich
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From jmlevitz at yahoo.com  Sat Apr  2 13:52:53 2011
From: jmlevitz at yahoo.com (jayson levitz)
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 04:52:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
In-Reply-To: <00dd01cbf0a9$1e9dd2f0$5bd978d0$@net>
References: <00dd01cbf0a9$1e9dd2f0$5bd978d0$@net>
Message-ID: <175666.72883.qm@web161909.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Frank, does your CR-7A have the rubber tire or the gear drive?  If you have the 
rubber tire, that could be your problem - the tire is worn or dried out and must 
be replaced.

Jayson




________________________________
From: Frank Baker <fsbaker77 at att.net>
To: naktalk at naks.com
Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 4:12:23 PM
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A problem


Hi All,
 
I have a CR-7A which starts to slow down after 2 or 3 minutes of playback.  If I 
stop and restart it works OK for about a minute then slows down again.  I just 
replaced both belts, but that didn’t help at all.  I just rejoined the list 
after about 2 years off, so if this has been recently discussed or handled, I 
apologize.  Any ideas would be appreciated.  

 
Frank


      
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From luis at peromarta.org  Sat Apr  2 21:00:01 2011
From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert)
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 15:00:01 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] cr-7A or ZX-7
In-Reply-To: <738649.16269.qm@web31508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <738649.16269.qm@web31508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <A2C6B4F0-830A-488F-8CAA-1A8545DE2D96@peromarta.org>

Cant go wrong with any of those. Very different though, but both on the top 5 I would say.

Sent from iPad. Please excuse typos.

El 02/04/2011, a las 07:26, rich <hockeyeast at yahoo.com> escribió:

> 
> 
> I know this is subjective but if you had a chance to get a xz-7 or a cr-7a, what are the pros and cons. i have read alot about both online and the cr-7a seems to come out on top, but both seem close. Thanks...Rich
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From mark8559 at hotmail.com  Sat Apr  2 21:31:24 2011
From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt)
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 13:31:24 -0600
Subject: FW: [naktalk] cr-7A or ZX-7
In-Reply-To: <738649.16269.qm@web31508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <738649.16269.qm@web31508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Do you own 300, 500, or 800 cassette tapes and just want to play them? Or are you getting into some serious recording?
As an owner of 1,000+ cassettes, I like the ZX-7.
If you plan on recording some 300+ cassettes, then the ZX-7 is preferred since it hs the record head azimuth which will also allow your recordings to sound better on other cassette decks.
A friend brought over his serviced CR-7A months back. We did an A/B comparison test to my two serviced ZX-7's and there was no or little difference in playback sound. Later my friend sold the CR-7A on Ebay for $910 (shipping included, no remote, no original box). Hefty price tag!
If you have money to blow - get the CR-7A.
Many nice ZX-7's on Ebay sell for around $450+.
The ZX-9 is rare and has a hefty price tag.

 


Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 04:26:40 -0700
From: hockeyeast at yahoo.com
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] cr-7A or ZX-7







I know this is subjective but if you had a chance to get a xz-7 or a cr-7a, what are the pros and cons. i have read alot about both online and the cr-7a seems to come out on top, but both seem close. Thanks...Rich
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From luis at peromarta.org  Sat Apr  2 21:41:24 2011
From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert)
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 15:41:24 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
In-Reply-To: <175666.72883.qm@web161909.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <00dd01cbf0a9$1e9dd2f0$5bd978d0$@net>
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A slowing down machine has a problem with the motor itself or driver, not the tyre. It may need changing too, but it's not the main problem here.


Sent from iPad. Please excuse typos.

El 02/04/2011, a las 07:52, jayson levitz <jmlevitz at yahoo.com> escribió:

> Frank, does your CR-7A have the rubber tire or the gear drive?  If you have the rubber tire, that could be your problem - the tire is worn or dried out and must be replaced.
>  
> Jayson
> 
> From: Frank Baker <fsbaker77 at att.net>
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 4:12:23 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
> 
> Hi All,
>  
> I have a CR-7A which starts to slow down after 2 or 3 minutes of playback.  If I stop and restart it works OK for about a minute then slows down again.  I just replaced both belts, but that didn’t help at all.  I just rejoined the list after about 2 years off, so if this has been recently discussed or handled, I apologize.  Any ideas would be appreciated. 
>  
> Frank
> 
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From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com  Sat Apr  2 22:14:34 2011
From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran)
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 13:14:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] cr-7A or ZX-7
In-Reply-To: <A2C6B4F0-830A-488F-8CAA-1A8545DE2D96@peromarta.org>
Message-ID: <366680.96759.qm@web112707.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Agree Luis 100%.

Rich, therefore, get both!:)

Ram.

--- On Sat, 4/2/11, Luis Peromarta Regert <luis at peromarta.org> wrote:

From: Luis Peromarta Regert <luis at peromarta.org>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] cr-7A or ZX-7
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Cc: "naktalk at naks.com" <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Saturday, April 2, 2011, 3:00 PM

Cant go wrong with any of those. Very different though, but both on the top 5 I would say.

Sent from iPad. Please excuse typos.
El 02/04/2011, a las 07:26, rich <hockeyeast at yahoo.com> escribió:



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From lenaw at flash.net  Sat Apr  2 23:33:31 2011
From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG)
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 14:33:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] cr-7A or ZX-7
In-Reply-To: <SNT111-W29494B6BC6C19B3964C390DBA10@phx.gbl>
References: <738649.16269.qm@web31508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<SNT111-W29494B6BC6C19B3964C390DBA10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <75170.80177.qm@web80202.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

If you record all the tapes on your ZX-7 and plays back all the tapes on the 
same ZX-7 then there will not have any problem with your playback head azimuth 
on those tapes. However if all these tapes are going to be played back on other 
decks you can run into potential problems with playback head azimuth issues 
unless the playback decks are Nak DRAGON, CR-7A, CD-1 and DR-1; one model in 
MARANTZ and the TANDBERG TCD-911. This means that the tapes that you recorded on 
your ZX-7 might not necessary sound as good on other decks (other than those I 
mention above ) when playback compared when playback on the same ZX-7. 


ZX-9, 660/670/680, 700/1000 as well as 700/1000ZXL also have record-head azimuth 
adjustment.

At the same time both ZX-7 and CR-7A are great decks but I have a slight 
preference on the CR-7A even though I like the transport system of the ZX-7 more 
than the CR-7A.


Happy Listening,
Mike




________________________________
From: Mark Exstedt <mark8559 at hotmail.com>
To: naktalk at naks.com
Sent: Sat, April 2, 2011 2:31:24 PM
Subject: FW: [naktalk] cr-7A or ZX-7

Do you own 300, 500, or 800 cassette tapes and just want to play them? Or are 
you getting into some serious recording?
As an owner of 1,000+ cassettes, I like the ZX-7.
If you plan on recording some 300+ cassettes, then the ZX-7 is preferred since 
it hs the record head azimuth which will also allow your recordings to sound 
better on other cassette decks.
A friend brought over his serviced CR-7A months back. We did an A/B comparison 
test to my two serviced ZX-7's and there was no or little difference in playback 
sound. Later my friend sold the CR-7A on Ebay for $910 (shipping included, no 
remote, no original box). Hefty price tag!
If you have money to blow - get the CR-7A.
Many nice ZX-7's on Ebay sell for around $450+.
The ZX-9 is rare and has a hefty price tag.

 
________________________________
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 04:26:40 -0700
From: hockeyeast at yahoo.com
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] cr-7A or ZX-7




I know this is subjective but if you had a chance to get a xz-7 or a cr-7a, what 
are the pros and cons. i have read alot about both online and the cr-7a seems to 
come out on top, but both seem close. Thanks...Rich 

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From fsbaker77 at att.net  Sat Apr  2 20:43:58 2011
From: fsbaker77 at att.net (Frank Baker)
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 14:43:58 -0400
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
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References: <00dd01cbf0a9$1e9dd2f0$5bd978d0$@net>
	<550573.72584.qm@web130110.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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The unit already has the gear mod.  It slows to a crawl and eventually stops.  I don’t hear increased wow, just slowing down.  It happens with every cassette I’ve tried so far – about 5 – varying from bulk tapes to Maxell Metal Capsule 50 minute tapes.

 

Frank

 

From: Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 8:28 AM
To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem

 


If you let it play, does it slow to a crawl and eventually 
stop, or does it continue at a reduced speed? Can you 
hear increased wow?

Does it happen with all cassettes? 

-- Ron



  _____  

From: Frank Baker <fsbaker77 at att.net>
To: naktalk at naks.com
Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 4:12:23 PM
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A problem

Hi All,

 

I have a CR-7A which starts to slow down after 2 or 3 minutes of playback.  If I stop and restart it works OK for about a minute then slows down again.  I just replaced both belts, but that didn’t help at all.  I just rejoined the list after about 2 years off, so if this has been recently discussed or handled, I apologize.  Any ideas would be appreciated.  

 

Frank

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From bobschneider8 at comcast.net  Sat Apr  2 22:21:26 2011
From: bobschneider8 at comcast.net (Robert Schneider)
Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2011 15:21:26 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] cr-7A or ZX-7
In-Reply-To: <738649.16269.qm@web31508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <738649.16269.qm@web31508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4D978546.9050304@comcast.net>

I have them both, although the CR-7a is restored and the ZX-7 is 
original, but works fine.  Both are top notch, but sound a bit 
different.  I've heard the sonic differences described as the CR-7a 
sounding more like CD, the ZX-7 more like LP.

While both decks have lots of features, there are a few differences.  If 
you listen to a lot of tapes which were recorded on other decks, the 
user adjustable playback azimuth on the CR-7 might make that the better 
deck for you.  The CR-7 also came with a remote (although it's often 
been lost on decks for sale today, and original replacements go for big 
bucks when they turn up on eBay), but you can add an aftermarket remote 
to the ZX-7.  The ZX-7 gives you more manual control over recording 
adjustments (bias, etc), although I've found the auto recording 
adjustments on the CR-7 work very well.

These are two of the best decks Nak made, each top of the line when they 
came out.  My choice was to get one of each!


On 4/2/11 6:26 AM, rich wrote:
>
>
> I know this is subjective but if you had a chance to get a xz-7 or a 
> cr-7a, what are the pros and cons. i have read alot about both online 
> and the cr-7a seems to come out on top, but both seem close. 
> Thanks...Rich
>
>
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>            Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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From luis at peromarta.org  Sun Apr  3 00:48:26 2011
From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert)
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 18:48:26 -0400
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
In-Reply-To: <00bb01cbf165$ee90d090$cbb271b0$@net>
References: <00dd01cbf0a9$1e9dd2f0$5bd978d0$@net>
	<550573.72584.qm@web130110.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<00bb01cbf165$ee90d090$cbb271b0$@net>
Message-ID: <E6B57400-9709-4C45-B459-58099591EC11@peromarta.org>

I Would suggest dd driver. Look for possible bad soldering. Also hi temperature on transistor drivers.

Sent from iPad. Please excuse typos.

El 02/04/2011, a las 14:43, "Frank Baker" <fsbaker77 at att.net> escribió:

> The unit already has the gear mod.  It slows to a crawl and eventually stops.  I don’t hear increased wow, just slowing down.  It happens with every cassette I’ve tried so far – about 5 – varying from bulk tapes to Maxell Metal Capsule 50 minute tapes.
> 
>  
> 
> Frank
> 
>  
> 
> From: Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com] 
> Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 8:28 AM
> To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
> 
>  
> 
> 
> If you let it play, does it slow to a crawl and eventually 
> stop, or does it continue at a reduced speed? Can you 
> hear increased wow?
> 
> Does it happen with all cassettes? 
> 
> -- Ron
> 
> 
> From: Frank Baker <fsbaker77 at att.net>
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 4:12:23 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
> 
> Hi All,
> 
>  
> 
> I have a CR-7A which starts to slow down after 2 or 3 minutes of playback.  If I stop and restart it works OK for about a minute then slows down again.  I just replaced both belts, but that didn’t help at all.  I just rejoined the list after about 2 years off, so if this has been recently discussed or handled, I apologize.  Any ideas would be appreciated. 
> 
>  
> 
> Frank
> 
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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From luis at peromarta.org  Sun Apr  3 01:45:20 2011
From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert)
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 19:45:20 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] cr-7A or ZX-7
In-Reply-To: <4D978546.9050304@comcast.net>
References: <738649.16269.qm@web31508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4D978546.9050304@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <AE11F5BF-6045-4123-933F-9A900A66EA10@peromarta.org>

Yes i think that hit the spot. Lots of recording? Zx7. Lots of listening? Cr7. 

Sent from iPad. Please excuse typos.

El 02/04/2011, a las 16:21, Robert Schneider <bobschneider8 at comcast.net> escribió:

> I have them both, although the CR-7a is restored and the ZX-7 is original, but works fine.  Both are top notch, but sound a bit different.  I've heard the sonic differences described as the CR-7a sounding more like CD, the ZX-7 more like LP.
> 
> While both decks have lots of features, there are a few differences.  If you listen to a lot of tapes which were recorded on other decks, the user adjustable playback azimuth on the CR-7 might make that the better deck for you.  The CR-7 also came with a remote (although it's often been lost on decks for sale today, and original replacements go for big bucks when they turn up on eBay), but you can add an aftermarket remote to the ZX-7.  The ZX-7 gives you more manual control over recording adjustments (bias, etc), although I've found the auto recording adjustments on the CR-7 work very well.
> 
> These are two of the best decks Nak made, each top of the line when they came out.  My choice was to get one of each!
> 
> 
> On 4/2/11 6:26 AM, rich wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I know this is subjective but if you had a chance to get a xz-7 or a cr-7a, what are the pros and cons. i have read alot about both online and the cr-7a seems to come out on top, but both seem close. Thanks...Rich
>> 
>> 
>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>>           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki
>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>>                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
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From gabrenas at math.utah.edu  Sun Apr  3 04:58:32 2011
From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas)
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 20:58:32 -0600
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
In-Reply-To: <00bb01cbf165$ee90d090$cbb271b0$@net>
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Sounds like you are in need of new capstan belt.

Vic

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Frank Baker
Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 12:44 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem

 

The unit already has the gear mod.  It slows to a crawl and eventually stops.  I don’t hear increased wow, just slowing down.  It happens with every cassette I’ve tried so far – about 5 – varying from bulk tapes to Maxell Metal Capsule 50 minute tapes.

 

Frank

 

From: Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 8:28 AM
To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem

 


If you let it play, does it slow to a crawl and eventually 
stop, or does it continue at a reduced speed? Can you 
hear increased wow?

Does it happen with all cassettes? 

-- Ron

  _____  

From: Frank Baker <fsbaker77 at att.net>
To: naktalk at naks.com
Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 4:12:23 PM
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A problem

Hi All,

 

I have a CR-7A which starts to slow down after 2 or 3 minutes of playback.  If I stop and restart it works OK for about a minute then slows down again.  I just replaced both belts, but that didn’t help at all.  I just rejoined the list after about 2 years off, so if this has been recently discussed or handled, I apologize.  Any ideas would be appreciated.  

 

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From yregelman at gmail.com  Sun Apr  3 02:36:24 2011
From: yregelman at gmail.com (Yuri Regelman)
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 17:36:24 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] cr-7A or ZX-7
In-Reply-To: <738649.16269.qm@web31508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <738649.16269.qm@web31508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Rich,
I'd go for cr-7 if money is not a consideration ( right! :), or you can pick
one up in rough shape for cheap and bring it back to life yourself (which is
what I did).  I own both cr-7 and zx-7  and they both are fantastic, but
what makes cr-7 stand out for me are the following:

1.  main advantage is the adjustable playback azimuth ( you can dial it
precisely to almost any pre-recorded tape you play, and it stays where you
put it as opposed to Dragon which tends to seek especially at the start of
play, before it locks on the right azimuth )
2.  direct drive mechanism ( low w&f and the belt spec is not as crucial as
in the zx-7 )
3.  more user friendly ( yes, you can manually override eq and tape type
selection, but you can also let the deck take care of the details for you )
True, you can't manually adjust record bias and level, but the autocal does
a great job that I often can't tell monitor from source, when recording
4.  subsonic filter, for recording warped lps, newer electronics, direct
coupling of the playback head, better dolby circuitry
5.  Last but definitely most important, I do prefer the sound of cr-7.  Of
course this is subjective and also may have something to do with specific
samples of the decks that I have.  The difference is slight, but always
apparent to my ears.


There is one nit-picking downside that I noticed on the cr-7 is that it
tends to ever so slightly pick up the program recorded on the reverse side
of the tape.  You can notice it on quiet passages, that the low frequencies
of the reverse side of the tape show up.
At first I thought it was print-through, but recording on one side, and then
playing the blank side still has the audio show up.  Then I thought it was
the head height adjustment, but that did not turn out to be the case, as no
amount of height adjustment made it go away.  I suspect the issue may be
attributed to a different head design, zx-7 did exhibit the "problem", while
cr-5 which has similar playback head to cr-7 did.

Good luck!
Yuri

On Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 4:26 AM, rich <hockeyeast at yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>
> I know this is subjective but if you had a chance to get a xz-7 or a cr-7a,
> what are the pros and cons. i have read alot about both online and the cr-7a
> seems to come out on top, but both seem close. Thanks...Rich
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From yregelman at gmail.com  Sun Apr  3 02:41:29 2011
From: yregelman at gmail.com (Yuri Regelman)
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 17:41:29 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] cr-7A or ZX-7
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Just noticed a typo, I meant to say "zx-7 did not exhibit the problem"...
y

On Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 5:36 PM, Yuri Regelman <yregelman at gmail.com> wrote:

> Rich,
> I'd go for cr-7 if money is not a consideration ( right! :), or you can
> pick one up in rough shape for cheap and bring it back to life yourself
> (which is what I did).  I own both cr-7 and zx-7  and they both are
> fantastic, but what makes cr-7 stand out for me are the following:
>
> 1.  main advantage is the adjustable playback azimuth ( you can dial it
> precisely to almost any pre-recorded tape you play, and it stays where you
> put it as opposed to Dragon which tends to seek especially at the start of
> play, before it locks on the right azimuth )
> 2.  direct drive mechanism ( low w&f and the belt spec is not as crucial as
> in the zx-7 )
> 3.  more user friendly ( yes, you can manually override eq and tape type
> selection, but you can also let the deck take care of the details for you )
> True, you can't manually adjust record bias and level, but the autocal does
> a great job that I often can't tell monitor from source, when recording
> 4.  subsonic filter, for recording warped lps, newer electronics, direct
> coupling of the playback head, better dolby circuitry
> 5.  Last but definitely most important, I do prefer the sound of cr-7.  Of
> course this is subjective and also may have something to do with specific
> samples of the decks that I have.  The difference is slight, but always
> apparent to my ears.
>
>
> There is one nit-picking downside that I noticed on the cr-7 is that it
> tends to ever so slightly pick up the program recorded on the reverse side
> of the tape.  You can notice it on quiet passages, that the low frequencies
> of the reverse side of the tape show up.
> At first I thought it was print-through, but recording on one side, and
> then playing the blank side still has the audio show up.  Then I thought it
> was the head height adjustment, but that did not turn out to be the case, as
> no amount of height adjustment made it go away.  I suspect the issue may be
> attributed to a different head design, zx-7 did exhibit the "problem", while
> cr-5 which has similar playback head to cr-7 did.
>
> Good luck!
> Yuri
>
> On Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 4:26 AM, rich <hockeyeast at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I know this is subjective but if you had a chance to get a xz-7 or a
>> cr-7a, what are the pros and cons. i have read alot about both online and
>> the cr-7a seems to come out on top, but both seem close. Thanks...Rich
>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>>
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From luis at peromarta.org  Sun Apr  3 14:29:50 2011
From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert)
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 08:29:50 -0400
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
In-Reply-To: <005e01cbf1ab$04d4d5f0$0e7e81d0$@math.utah.edu>
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He said he has just replaced them. Unless they are of the wrong type, or course.

Sent from iPad. Please excuse typos.

El 02/04/2011, a las 22:58, "Victor Gabrenas" <gabrenas at math.utah.edu> escribió:

> Sounds like you are in need of new capstan belt.
> 
> Vic
> 
>  
> 
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Frank Baker
> Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 12:44 PM
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
> 
>  
> 
> The unit already has the gear mod.  It slows to a crawl and eventually stops.  I don’t hear increased wow, just slowing down.  It happens with every cassette I’ve tried so far – about 5 – varying from bulk tapes to Maxell Metal Capsule 50 minute tapes.
> 
>  
> 
> Frank
> 
>  
> 
> From: Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com] 
> Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 8:28 AM
> To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
> 
>  
> 
> 
> If you let it play, does it slow to a crawl and eventually 
> stop, or does it continue at a reduced speed? Can you 
> hear increased wow?
> 
> Does it happen with all cassettes? 
> 
> -- Ron
> 
> From: Frank Baker <fsbaker77 at att.net>
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 4:12:23 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
> 
> Hi All,
> 
>  
> 
> I have a CR-7A which starts to slow down after 2 or 3 minutes of playback.  If I stop and restart it works OK for about a minute then slows down again.  I just replaced both belts, but that didn’t help at all.  I just rejoined the list after about 2 years off, so if this has been recently discussed or handled, I apologize.  Any ideas would be appreciated. 
> 
>  
> 
> Frank
> 
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From ronami at yahoo.com  Sun Apr  3 15:26:18 2011
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 06:26:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
In-Reply-To: <00bb01cbf165$ee90d090$cbb271b0$@net>
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It's highly unlikely the problem is caused by the idler,
regardless of rubber or gear type.

-- Ron





________________________________
From: Frank Baker <fsbaker77 at att.net>
To: naktalk at naks.com
Sent: Sat, April 2, 2011 2:43:58 PM
Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem


The unit already has the gear mod.  It slows to a crawl and eventually stops.  I 
don’t hear increased wow, just slowing down.  It happens with every cassette 
I’ve tried so far – about 5 – varying from bulk tapes to Maxell Metal Capsule 50 
minute tapes.
 
Frank
 
From:Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 8:28 AM
To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
 

If you let it play, does it slow to a crawl and eventually 
stop, or does it continue at a reduced speed? Can you 
hear increased wow?

Does it happen with all cassettes? 

-- Ron



________________________________

From:Frank Baker <fsbaker77 at att.net>
To: naktalk at naks.com
Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 4:12:23 PM
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
Hi All,
 
I have a CR-7A which starts to slow down after 2 or 3 minutes of playback.  If I 
stop and restart it works OK for about a minute then slows down again.  I just 
replaced both belts, but that didn’t help at all.  I just rejoined the list 
after about 2 years off, so if this has been recently discussed or handled, I 
apologize.  Any ideas would be appreciated.  

 
Frank
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From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com  Sun Apr  3 17:08:07 2011
From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran)
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 08:08:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: FW: [naktalk] cr-7A or ZX-7
In-Reply-To: <SNT111-W29494B6BC6C19B3964C390DBA10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <923699.91655.qm@web112712.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Yep. Mark is on the money. In fact, for some reason, the ZX7 machines are undervalued. I picked one up a few months ago for $160, plus $30 shipping. All it needed was a belt and speed adjustment, and Marrs has perfect belts for this machine.

Personally, I prefer the sound of the ZX7/9 decks to any CR7( including the ESL overhauled  one I have now).

If you have the decks( any) properly serviced and aligned, playback of tapes recorded on one( does not matter which) sounds pretty good on the others, except for the signature sound of each machine, which is unique.

Ram.

--- On Sat, 4/2/11, Mark Exstedt <mark8559 at hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Mark Exstedt <mark8559 at hotmail.com>
Subject: FW: [naktalk] cr-7A or ZX-7
To: naktalk at naks.com
Date: Saturday, April 2, 2011, 3:31 PM





 
Do you own 300, 500, or 800 cassette tapes and just want to play them? Or are you getting into some serious recording?

As an owner of 1,000+ cassettes, I like the ZX-7.

If you plan on recording some 300+ cassettes, then the ZX-7 is preferred since it hs the record head azimuth which will also allow your recordings to sound better on other cassette decks.

A friend brought over his serviced CR-7A months back. We did an A/B comparison test to my two serviced ZX-7's and there was no or little difference in playback sound. Later my friend sold the CR-7A on Ebay for $910 (shipping included, no remote, no original box). Hefty price tag!

If you have money to blow - get the CR-7A.

Many nice ZX-7's on Ebay sell for around $450+.

The ZX-9 is rare and has a hefty price tag.


 



Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 04:26:40 -0700
From: hockeyeast at yahoo.com
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] cr-7A or ZX-7







I know this is subjective but if you had a chance to get a xz-7 or a cr-7a, what are the pros and cons. i have read alot about both online and the cr-7a seems to come out on top, but both seem close. Thanks...Rich
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From dave.bowley at hotmail.co.uk  Sun Apr  3 16:23:02 2011
From: dave.bowley at hotmail.co.uk (Dave Bowley)
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 14:23:02 +0000
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
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Where did U source the belts from ? They might not be up to spec i.e too thick or ?

CC: naktalk at naks.com
From: luis at peromarta.org
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 08:29:50 -0400
To: naktalk at naks.com

He said he has just replaced them. Unless they are of the wrong type, or course.

Sent from iPad. Please excuse typos.
El 02/04/2011, a las 22:58, "Victor Gabrenas" <gabrenas at math.utah.edu> escribió:

Sounds like you are in need of new capstan belt.Vic From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Frank Baker
Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 12:44 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem The unit already has the gear mod.  It slows to a crawl and eventually stops.  I don’t hear increased wow, just slowing down.  It happens with every cassette I’ve tried so far – about 5 – varying from bulk tapes to Maxell Metal Capsule 50 minute tapes. Frank From: Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 8:28 AM
To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem 
If you let it play, does it slow to a crawl and eventually 
stop, or does it continue at a reduced speed? Can you 
hear increased wow?

Does it happen with all cassettes? 

-- RonFrom: Frank Baker <fsbaker77 at att.net>
To: naktalk at naks.com
Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 4:12:23 PM
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A problemHi All, I have a CR-7A which starts to slow down after 2 or 3 minutes of playback.  If I stop and restart it works OK for about a minute then slows down again.  I just replaced both belts, but that didn’t help at all.  I just rejoined the list after about 2 years off, so if this has been recently discussed or handled, I apologize.  Any ideas would be appreciated.   Frank========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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From thomas36245-net at yahoo.com  Sun Apr  3 16:44:54 2011
From: thomas36245-net at yahoo.com (thomas)
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 07:44:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
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I have a 600 that did the same thing for awhile. I put it away for a couple months, then got it out and tried it again and the motor was completely seized up. I reached in and tried to turn the motor shaft by hand and it would barely turn. Time for a new motor I'd say or try to open it up and rebuild it.    Thomas

--- On Sun, 4/3/11, Ron <ronami at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Ron <ronami at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com, "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Sunday, April 3, 2011, 9:26 AM







It's highly unlikely the problem is caused by the idler,
regardless of rubber or gear type.

-- Ron






From: Frank Baker <fsbaker77 at att.net>
To: naktalk at naks.com
Sent: Sat, April 2, 2011 2:43:58 PM
Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem





The unit already has the gear mod.  It slows to a crawl and eventually stops.  I don’t hear increased wow, just slowing down.  It happens with every cassette I’ve tried so far – about 5 – varying from bulk tapes to Maxell Metal Capsule 50 minute tapes.
 
Frank
 


From: Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 8:28 AM
To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
 



If you let it play, does it slow to a crawl and eventually 
stop, or does it continue at a reduced speed? Can you 
hear increased wow?

Does it happen with all cassettes? 

-- Ron






From: Frank Baker <fsbaker77 at att.net>
To: naktalk at naks.com
Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 4:12:23 PM
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A problem

Hi All,
 
I have a CR-7A which starts to slow down after 2 or 3 minutes of playback.  If I stop and restart it works OK for about a minute then slows down again.  I just replaced both belts, but that didn’t help at all.  I just rejoined the list after about 2 years off, so if this has been recently discussed or handled, I apologize.  Any ideas would be appreciated.  
 
Frank
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From gabrenas at math.utah.edu  Sun Apr  3 18:05:07 2011
From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas)
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 10:05:07 -0600
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
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Indeed it might be the wrong capstan belt.

Vic 

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Luis Peromarta Regert
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 6:30 AM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem

 

He said he has just replaced them. Unless they are of the wrong type, or course.

Sent from iPad. Please excuse typos.


El 02/04/2011, a las 22:58, "Victor Gabrenas" <gabrenas at math.utah.edu> escribió:

Sounds like you are in need of new capstan belt.

Vic

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Frank Baker
Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 12:44 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem

 

The unit already has the gear mod.  It slows to a crawl and eventually stops.  I don’t hear increased wow, just slowing down.  It happens with every cassette I’ve tried so far – about 5 – varying from bulk tapes to Maxell Metal Capsule 50 minute tapes.

 

Frank

 

From: Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 8:28 AM
To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem

 


If you let it play, does it slow to a crawl and eventually 
stop, or does it continue at a reduced speed? Can you 
hear increased wow?

Does it happen with all cassettes? 

-- Ron


  _____  


From: Frank Baker <fsbaker77 at att.net>
To: naktalk at naks.com
Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 4:12:23 PM
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A problem

Hi All,

 

I have a CR-7A which starts to slow down after 2 or 3 minutes of playback.  If I stop and restart it works OK for about a minute then slows down again.  I just replaced both belts, but that didn’t help at all.  I just rejoined the list after about 2 years off, so if this has been recently discussed or handled, I apologize.  Any ideas would be appreciated.  

 

Frank

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From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com  Sun Apr  3 19:26:52 2011
From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth)
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 10:26:52 -0700
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
In-Reply-To: <DUB102-w11843B5F6732C7F2F5D287A0A00@phx.gbl>
References: <00dd01cbf0a9$1e9dd2f0$5bd978d0$@net>
	<550573.72584.qm@web130110.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<00bb01cbf165$ee90d090$cbb271b0$@net>
	<005e01cbf1ab$04d4d5f0$0e7e81d0$@math.utah.edu>
	<98BAEAF6-A4BC-4AE9-A578-6FD500E2269E@peromarta.org>
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For a belt of ordinary elasticity, the standard rule is that a belt
should stretch 3% - 5% between its "relaxed" circumference and the
circumference it stretches to when its on the pulleys. Tighter than
that, and it will want to wear out the pulley (flywheel) bearings.
Looser than that, and it may slip.

The mass of the belt is also important. Thick belts tend to be less
elastic, and should go more toward the 3%, and thin belts,
contrariwise, can go more toward the 5%.

However, when belts are thicker and heavier than the "stock" parts,
they will often set up a spring-and-mass oscillator, and shimmy on the
pulleys. This destroys the wow-and-flutter figure.

Nakamichi drive belts are traditionally light and thin. Marrs
Communications is the only source I know of that sells a wide range of
Nakamichi belts that are up to spec.

However, on the CR-7A, if after a short time the tape drive slows
down, either the current belts are radically wrongly sized (i.e. super
tight or super loose), or there is a problem in the motor circuit or
the power supply circuit that feeds the motor. I'm leaning toward an
electronic problem.

Fred

Fred Longworth  MBA, CHMM
Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994
3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F
San Diego, CA 92116
(619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100
Fax: (619) 282-7872
classicaudiorepair at gmail.com
stereo1 at cox.net
www.repairaudio.com

On Sun, Apr 3, 2011 at 7:23 AM, Dave Bowley <dave.bowley at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Where did U source the belts from ? They might not be up to spec i.e too thick or
>
> ________________________________
> CC: naktalk at naks.com
> From: luis at peromarta.org
> Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
> Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 08:29:50 -0400
> To: naktalk at naks.com
>
> He said he has just replaced them. Unless they are of the wrong type, or course.
>
> Sent from iPad. Please excuse typos.
> El 02/04/2011, a las 22:58, "Victor Gabrenas" <gabrenas at math.utah.edu> escribió:
>
> Sounds like you are in need of new capstan belt.
>
> Vic
>
>
>
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Frank Baker
> Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 12:44 PM
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
>
>
>
> The unit already has the gear mod.  It slows to a crawl and eventually stops.  I don’t hear increased wow, just slowing down.  It happens with every cassette I’ve tried so far – about 5 – varying from bulk tapes to Maxell Metal Capsule 50 minute tapes.
>
>
>
> Frank
>
>
>
> From: Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 8:28 AM
> To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
>
>
>
> If you let it play, does it slow to a crawl and eventually
> stop, or does it continue at a reduced speed? Can you
> hear increased wow?
>
> Does it happen with all cassettes?
>
> -- Ron
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Frank Baker <fsbaker77 at att.net>
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 4:12:23 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
>
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> I have a CR-7A which starts to slow down after 2 or 3 minutes of playback.  If I stop and restart it works OK for about a minute then slows down again.  I just replaced both belts, but that didn’t help at all.  I just rejoined the list after about 2 years off, so if this has been recently discussed or handled, I apologize.  Any ideas would be appreciated.
>
>
>
> Frank
>



From luis at peromarta.org  Sun Apr  3 19:39:30 2011
From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert)
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 13:39:30 -0400
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
In-Reply-To: <003301cbf218$e79aa640$b6cff2c0$@math.utah.edu>
References: <00dd01cbf0a9$1e9dd2f0$5bd978d0$@net>
	<550573.72584.qm@web130110.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<00bb01cbf165$ee90d090$cbb271b0$@net>
	<005e01cbf1ab$04d4d5f0$0e7e81d0$@math.utah.edu>
	<98BAEAF6-A4BC-4AE9-A578-6FD500E2269E@peromarta.org>
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Certainly.

Sent from iPad. Please excuse typos.

El 03/04/2011, a las 12:05, "Victor Gabrenas" <gabrenas at math.utah.edu> escribió:

> Indeed it might be the wrong capstan belt.
> 
> Vic
> 
>  
> 
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Luis Peromarta Regert
> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 6:30 AM
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
> 
>  
> 
> He said he has just replaced them. Unless they are of the wrong type, or course.
> 
> Sent from iPad. Please excuse typos.
> 
> 
> El 02/04/2011, a las 22:58, "Victor Gabrenas" <gabrenas at math.utah.edu> escribió:
> 
> Sounds like you are in need of new capstan belt.
> 
> Vic
> 
>  
> 
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Frank Baker
> Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 12:44 PM
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
> 
>  
> 
> The unit already has the gear mod.  It slows to a crawl and eventually stops.  I don’t hear increased wow, just slowing down.  It happens with every cassette I’ve tried so far – about 5 – varying from bulk tapes to Maxell Metal Capsule 50 minute tapes.
> 
>  
> 
> Frank
> 
>  
> 
> From: Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com] 
> Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 8:28 AM
> To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
> 
>  
> 
> 
> If you let it play, does it slow to a crawl and eventually 
> stop, or does it continue at a reduced speed? Can you 
> hear increased wow?
> 
> Does it happen with all cassettes? 
> 
> -- Ron
> 
> From: Frank Baker <fsbaker77 at att.net>
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 4:12:23 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
> 
> Hi All,
> 
>  
> 
> I have a CR-7A which starts to slow down after 2 or 3 minutes of playback.  If I stop and restart it works OK for about a minute then slows down again.  I just replaced both belts, but that didn’t help at all.  I just rejoined the list after about 2 years off, so if this has been recently discussed or handled, I apologize.  Any ideas would be appreciated. 
> 
>  
> 
> Frank
> 
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From luis at peromarta.org  Sun Apr  3 20:40:44 2011
From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert)
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 14:40:44 -0400
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTikUV5At_7-VrPVsaAhvOBwYosOJWw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00dd01cbf0a9$1e9dd2f0$5bd978d0$@net>
	<550573.72584.qm@web130110.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<00bb01cbf165$ee90d090$cbb271b0$@net>
	<005e01cbf1ab$04d4d5f0$0e7e81d0$@math.utah.edu>
	<98BAEAF6-A4BC-4AE9-A578-6FD500E2269E@peromarta.org>
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Amen, brother.

Sent from iPad. Please excuse typos.

El 03/04/2011, a las 13:26, Fred Longworth <classicaudiorepair at gmail.com> escribió:

> For a belt of ordinary elasticity, the standard rule is that a belt
> should stretch 3% - 5% between its "relaxed" circumference and the
> circumference it stretches to when its on the pulleys. Tighter than
> that, and it will want to wear out the pulley (flywheel) bearings.
> Looser than that, and it may slip.
> 
> The mass of the belt is also important. Thick belts tend to be less
> elastic, and should go more toward the 3%, and thin belts,
> contrariwise, can go more toward the 5%.
> 
> However, when belts are thicker and heavier than the "stock" parts,
> they will often set up a spring-and-mass oscillator, and shimmy on the
> pulleys. This destroys the wow-and-flutter figure.
> 
> Nakamichi drive belts are traditionally light and thin. Marrs
> Communications is the only source I know of that sells a wide range of
> Nakamichi belts that are up to spec.
> 
> However, on the CR-7A, if after a short time the tape drive slows
> down, either the current belts are radically wrongly sized (i.e. super
> tight or super loose), or there is a problem in the motor circuit or
> the power supply circuit that feeds the motor. I'm leaning toward an
> electronic problem.
> 
> Fred
> 
> Fred Longworth  MBA, CHMM
> Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994
> 3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F
> San Diego, CA 92116
> (619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100
> Fax: (619) 282-7872
> classicaudiorepair at gmail.com
> stereo1 at cox.net
> www.repairaudio.com
> 
> On Sun, Apr 3, 2011 at 7:23 AM, Dave Bowley <dave.bowley at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> Where did U source the belts from ? They might not be up to spec i.e too thick or
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> CC: naktalk at naks.com
>> From: luis at peromarta.org
>> Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
>> Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 08:29:50 -0400
>> To: naktalk at naks.com
>> 
>> He said he has just replaced them. Unless they are of the wrong type, or course.
>> 
>> Sent from iPad. Please excuse typos.
>> El 02/04/2011, a las 22:58, "Victor Gabrenas" <gabrenas at math.utah.edu> escribió:
>> 
>> Sounds like you are in need of new capstan belt.
>> 
>> Vic
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Frank Baker
>> Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 12:44 PM
>> To: naktalk at naks.com
>> Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The unit already has the gear mod.  It slows to a crawl and eventually stops.  I don’t hear increased wow, just slowing down.  It happens with every cassette I’ve tried so far – about 5 – varying from bulk tapes to Maxell Metal Capsule 50 minute tapes.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Frank
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com]
>> Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 8:28 AM
>> To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>> Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> If you let it play, does it slow to a crawl and eventually
>> stop, or does it continue at a reduced speed? Can you
>> hear increased wow?
>> 
>> Does it happen with all cassettes?
>> 
>> -- Ron
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> 
>> From: Frank Baker <fsbaker77 at att.net>
>> To: naktalk at naks.com
>> Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 4:12:23 PM
>> Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I have a CR-7A which starts to slow down after 2 or 3 minutes of playback.  If I stop and restart it works OK for about a minute then slows down again.  I just replaced both belts, but that didn’t help at all.  I just rejoined the list after about 2 years off, so if this has been recently discussed or handled, I apologize.  Any ideas would be appreciated.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Frank
>> 
> 
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From fsbaker77 at att.net  Sun Apr  3 20:20:54 2011
From: fsbaker77 at att.net (Frank Baker)
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 14:20:54 -0400
Subject: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
In-Reply-To: <003301cbf218$e79aa640$b6cff2c0$@math.utah.edu>
References: <00dd01cbf0a9$1e9dd2f0$5bd978d0$@net>	<550573.72584.qm@web130110.mail.mud.yahoo.com>	<00bb01cbf165$ee90d090$cbb271b0$@net>	<005e01cbf1ab$04d4d5f0$0e7e81d0$@math.utah.edu>	<98BAEAF6-A4BC-4AE9-A578-6FD500E2269E@peromarta.org>
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I had the same problem before I replaced the belt.  I purchased the belts with instructions for installation from www.wjoe.com.

 

Frank

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Victor Gabrenas
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 12:05 PM
To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'
Subject: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem

 

Indeed it might be the wrong capstan belt.

Vic 

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Luis Peromarta Regert
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 6:30 AM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem

 

He said he has just replaced them. Unless they are of the wrong type, or course.

Sent from iPad. Please excuse typos.


El 02/04/2011, a las 22:58, "Victor Gabrenas" <gabrenas at math.utah.edu> escribió:

Sounds like you are in need of new capstan belt.

Vic

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Frank Baker
Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 12:44 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem

 

The unit already has the gear mod.  It slows to a crawl and eventually stops.  I don’t hear increased wow, just slowing down.  It happens with every cassette I’ve tried so far – about 5 – varying from bulk tapes to Maxell Metal Capsule 50 minute tapes.

 

Frank

 

From: Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 8:28 AM
To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem

 


If you let it play, does it slow to a crawl and eventually 
stop, or does it continue at a reduced speed? Can you 
hear increased wow?

Does it happen with all cassettes? 

-- Ron


  _____  


From: Frank Baker <fsbaker77 at att.net>
To: naktalk at naks.com
Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 4:12:23 PM
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A problem

Hi All,

 

I have a CR-7A which starts to slow down after 2 or 3 minutes of playback.  If I stop and restart it works OK for about a minute then slows down again.  I just replaced both belts, but that didn’t help at all.  I just rejoined the list after about 2 years off, so if this has been recently discussed or handled, I apologize.  Any ideas would be appreciated.  

 

Frank

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From ronami at yahoo.com  Sun Apr  3 22:34:39 2011
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 13:34:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
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The thought ocurred to me, but the OP said it starts OK 
but some time later slows down to a stop. This is not 
typical of an incorrect belt. IME, if the belt is too short, 
it will either refuse to start or go very slow drag 
immediately.






________________________________
From: Victor Gabrenas <gabrenas at math.utah.edu>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sun, April 3, 2011 12:05:07 PM
Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem


Indeed it might be the wrong capstan belt.
Vic 
 
From:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of 
Luis Peromarta Regert
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 6:30 AM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
 
He said he has just replaced them. Unless they are of the wrong type, or course.

Sent from iPad. Please excuse typos.

El 02/04/2011, a las 22:58, "Victor Gabrenas" <gabrenas at math.utah.edu> escribió:
Sounds like you are in need of new capstan belt.
>Vic
> 
>From:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of 
>Frank Baker
>Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 12:44 PM
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
> 
>The unit already has the gear mod.  It slows to a crawl and eventually stops.  I 
>don’t hear increased wow, just slowing down.  It happens with every cassette 
>I’ve tried so far – about 5 – varying from bulk tapes to Maxell Metal Capsule 50 
>minute tapes.
> 
>Frank
> 
>From:Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com] 
>Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 8:28 AM
>To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
> 
>
>If you let it play, does it slow to a crawl and eventually 
>stop, or does it continue at a reduced speed? Can you 
>hear increased wow?
>
>Does it happen with all cassettes? 
>
>-- Ron
>
________________________________

>From:Frank Baker <fsbaker77 at att.net>
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 4:12:23 PM
>Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
>Hi All,
> 
>I have a CR-7A which starts to slow down after 2 or 3 minutes of playback.  If I 
>stop and restart it works OK for about a minute then slows down again.  I just 
>replaced both belts, but that didn’t help at all.  I just rejoined the list 
>after about 2 years off, so if this has been recently discussed or handled, I 
>apologize.  Any ideas would be appreciated.  
>
> 
>Frank
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From gabrenas at math.utah.edu  Sun Apr  3 23:40:36 2011
From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas)
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 15:40:36 -0600
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
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I ran into the same situation from a BX-300 a customer brought to me after 2 techs took a crack at it. The problem was a tight belt. Both techs were convinced it was the IC controlling the speed adjust. I have never tried the belts from wjoe but I can attest to the Marrs Belts. Since this is a CR-7, I would only use the highest grade belt I can find.

 

Vic

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 2:35 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem

 


The thought ocurred to me, but the OP said it starts OK 
but some time later slows down to a stop. This is not 
typical of an incorrect belt. IME, if the belt is too short, 
it will either refuse to start or go very slow drag 
immediately.



 

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From: Victor Gabrenas <gabrenas at math.utah.edu>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sun, April 3, 2011 12:05:07 PM
Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem

Indeed it might be the wrong capstan belt.

Vic 

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Luis Peromarta Regert
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 6:30 AM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem

 

He said he has just replaced them. Unless they are of the wrong type, or course.

Sent from iPad. Please excuse typos.


El 02/04/2011, a las 22:58, "Victor Gabrenas" <gabrenas at math.utah.edu> escribió:

Sounds like you are in need of new capstan belt.

Vic

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Frank Baker
Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 12:44 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem

 

The unit already has the gear mod.  It slows to a crawl and eventually stops.  I don’t hear increased wow, just slowing down.  It happens with every cassette I’ve tried so far – about 5 – varying from bulk tapes to Maxell Metal Capsule 50 minute tapes.

 

Frank

 

From: Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 8:28 AM
To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem

 


If you let it play, does it slow to a crawl and eventually 
stop, or does it continue at a reduced speed? Can you 
hear increased wow?

Does it happen with all cassettes? 

-- Ron


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From: Frank Baker <fsbaker77 at att.net>
To: naktalk at naks.com
Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 4:12:23 PM
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A problem

Hi All,

 

I have a CR-7A which starts to slow down after 2 or 3 minutes of playback.  If I stop and restart it works OK for about a minute then slows down again.  I just replaced both belts, but that didn’t help at all.  I just rejoined the list after about 2 years off, so if this has been recently discussed or handled, I apologize.  Any ideas would be appreciated.  

 

Frank

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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Mon Apr  4 02:15:59 2011
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra)
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 17:15:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTikUV5At_7-VrPVsaAhvOBwYosOJWw@mail.gmail.com>
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Sounds like bad electronics because he's had the problem before changing the 
belts - that's why he changed them. It is good to change those belts as long 
they are of the right type. 


However, this seem to have a problem with the BLDC drive circuit of the capstan 
motor. Hmmm...

Bala





________________________________
From: Fred Longworth <classicaudiorepair at gmail.com>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Mon, April 4, 2011 3:26:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem

For a belt of ordinary elasticity, the standard rule is that a belt
should stretch 3% - 5% between its "relaxed" circumference and the
circumference it stretches to when its on the pulleys. Tighter than
that, and it will want to wear out the pulley (flywheel) bearings.
Looser than that, and it may slip.

The mass of the belt is also important. Thick belts tend to be less
elastic, and should go more toward the 3%, and thin belts,
contrariwise, can go more toward the 5%.

However, when belts are thicker and heavier than the "stock" parts,
they will often set up a spring-and-mass oscillator, and shimmy on the
pulleys. This destroys the wow-and-flutter figure.

Nakamichi drive belts are traditionally light and thin. Marrs
Communications is the only source I know of that sells a wide range of
Nakamichi belts that are up to spec.

However, on the CR-7A, if after a short time the tape drive slows
down, either the current belts are radically wrongly sized (i.e. super
tight or super loose), or there is a problem in the motor circuit or
the power supply circuit that feeds the motor. I'm leaning toward an
electronic problem.

Fred

Fred Longworth  MBA, CHMM
Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994
3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F
San Diego, CA 92116
(619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100
Fax: (619) 282-7872
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On Sun, Apr 3, 2011 at 7:23 AM, Dave Bowley <dave.bowley at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Where did U source the belts from ? They might not be up to spec i.e too thick 
>or
>
> ________________________________
> CC: naktalk at naks.com
> From: luis at peromarta.org
> Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
> Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 08:29:50 -0400
> To: naktalk at naks.com
>
> He said he has just replaced them. Unless they are of the wrong type, or 
>course.
>
> Sent from iPad. Please excuse typos.
> El 02/04/2011, a las 22:58, "Victor Gabrenas" <gabrenas at math.utah.edu> 
>escribió:
>
> Sounds like you are in need of new capstan belt.
>
> Vic
>
>
>
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of 
>Frank Baker
> Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 12:44 PM
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
>
>
>
> The unit already has the gear mod.  It slows to a crawl and eventually stops.  
>I don’t hear increased wow, just slowing down.  It happens with every cassette 
>I’ve tried so far – about 5 – varying from bulk tapes to Maxell Metal Capsule 50 
>minute tapes.
>
>
>
> Frank
>
>
>
> From: Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 8:28 AM
> To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
>
>
>
> If you let it play, does it slow to a crawl and eventually
> stop, or does it continue at a reduced speed? Can you
> hear increased wow?
>
> Does it happen with all cassettes?
>
> -- Ron
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Frank Baker <fsbaker77 at att.net>
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 4:12:23 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
>
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> I have a CR-7A which starts to slow down after 2 or 3 minutes of playback.  If 
>I stop and restart it works OK for about a minute then slows down again.  I just 
>replaced both belts, but that didn’t help at all.  I just rejoined the list 
>after about 2 years off, so if this has been recently discussed or handled, I 
>apologize.  Any ideas would be appreciated.
>
>
>
> Frank
>

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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Mon Apr  4 02:19:45 2011
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra)
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 17:19:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] cr-7A or ZX-7
In-Reply-To: <A2C6B4F0-830A-488F-8CAA-1A8545DE2D96@peromarta.org>
References: <738649.16269.qm@web31508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Get both? 




________________________________
From: Luis Peromarta Regert <luis at peromarta.org>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
Cc: "naktalk at naks.com" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sun, April 3, 2011 5:00:01 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] cr-7A or ZX-7


Cant go wrong with any of those. Very different though, but both on the top 5 I 
would say.

Sent from iPad. Please excuse typos.

El 02/04/2011, a las 07:26, rich <hockeyeast at yahoo.com> escribió:



>
>I know this is subjective but if you had a chance to get a xz-7 or a cr-7a, what 
>are the pros and cons. i have read alot about both online and the cr-7a seems to 
>come out on top, but both seem close. Thanks...Rich 
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From luis at peromarta.org  Mon Apr  4 03:46:45 2011
From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert)
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 21:46:45 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] cr-7A or ZX-7
In-Reply-To: <362155.77287.qm@web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <738649.16269.qm@web31508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Do.

Sent from iPad. Please excuse typos.

El 03/04/2011, a las 20:19, Bala Ganesh Chandra <bg3009 at yahoo.com> escribió:

> Get both? 
> 
> From: Luis Peromarta Regert <luis at peromarta.org>
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> Cc: "naktalk at naks.com" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Sun, April 3, 2011 5:00:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] cr-7A or ZX-7
> 
> Cant go wrong with any of those. Very different though, but both on the top 5 I would say.
> 
> Sent from iPad. Please excuse typos.
> 
> El 02/04/2011, a las 07:26, rich <hockeyeast at yahoo.com> escribió:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> I know this is subjective but if you had a chance to get a xz-7 or a cr-7a, what are the pros and cons. i have read alot about both online and the cr-7a seems to come out on top, but both seem close. Thanks...Rich
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From ronami at yahoo.com  Mon Apr  4 15:38:17 2011
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 06:38:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] cr-7A or ZX-7
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I am not that familiar with the ZX-7, as I've only listened to 
them on occasion, while I am very familiar with the CR-7 
(I own one and listen to it often).

To me, the main difference is the sonic character. Both sound 
very good, but to my ears the ZX-7 is on the 'warm' side. The 
CR-7 is accurate, crystal clear, 'analytical' and more believable. 
The difference is not earthshaking, but made me select the 
CR-7 as soon as I heard one.

-- Ron





________________________________

I know this is subjective but if you had a chance to get a xz-7 or a cr-7a, what 
are the pros and cons. i have read alot about both online and the cr-7a seems to 
come out on top, but both seem close. Thanks...Rich 
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From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net  Mon Apr  4 22:15:38 2011
From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 22:15:38 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000ZXL parts
Message-ID: <000601cbf305$1045d870$30d18950$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net>

Hi all,

 

I have a little problem with the Nakamichi RAMM Board on my 1000ZXL. The
connector CN29 has a broken contact. 

So I have to replace the connector I think and I wonder if there are spare
parts on Naktalk for this deck.  Maybe a spare RAMM board or a spare
connector ? The manual give us a part number F12P-SHVQ.

 

Thx

 

Norman

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From hockeyeast at yahoo.com  Mon Apr  4 14:05:59 2011
From: hockeyeast at yahoo.com (rich)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 05:05:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] cr-7A or ZX-7 
Message-ID: <123980.35760.qm@web31501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>



Thanks for all the info. Missed a cr-7a on audiogon, but there is one on ebay. I think the price will go through the roof. ZX-7 looking better all the time. Anyone here know of a good place to find these decks for sale other than the 2 mentioned above? 
 
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From tom.romasz at googlemail.com  Mon Apr  4 19:39:13 2011
From: tom.romasz at googlemail.com (Tom Romaszkiewicz)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 18:39:13 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Intro & thanks
Message-ID: <BANLkTimENS2bsmaZPMAa7p=3=gopKOj2cg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
I have a question (next mail), but before I do, just a quick message to say
thanks. The site and the mailing list & archive have been a great resource
for me to date, researching decks or finding an idea to repair faults.
Service manuals and reference docs / principles of operation, wonderful to
have in one place, when I've had to debug a couple of issues. It's nice to
know I don't feel like a geek alone when I've been occasionally poring over
a circuit late on a tuesday evening!

Always loved tapes in a way, grew up with them. "Killing music with my
schoolboy home taping" my dad always laughed. Kept a few boxes of the ones
that were still pleasant on the ear, umm just because! The best tapes were
mostly recorded on one of two 70's Akais.

A couple of years ago, faced with a clearing space "use or lose situation",
I looked to sourcing a deck to play them on. Went for a Nak, mainly out of
build quality, reputation & resale consistency if I changed my mind. Well!
haven't looked back. Needless to say the tapes didn't get chucked (well some
did! - tastes change eh?) but for the most part, they get played!
Occasionally here and there another tape goes twang, and bounces into the
bucket not to be replaced. Tapes and digital for cooking in the kitchen, and
driving the old car  in the summer. Vinyl and CDs in the lounge. This is how
we roll.

In the main I've only used / experienced CR decks. Straightforward. Not much
to go wrong. So far, good for the budget and effort I'm willing to give this
interest! My main deck is a CR-3E which is a good workhorse for me. I don't
record a lot, just the occasional mixtape for friends & family who still
appreciate it. What pleases me, is just that it does its job well. Gets used
daily. Looks good on top of the fridge freezer. Entertains those who threw
out their tapes years ago. Gives good tape tension, consistent quality
playback - more than any other deck I've listened to, between pre-recorded
and my own tapes, and with great dynamic range. Say no more.

Now! back to lurking!
Cheers,
Tom R
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From tom.romasz at googlemail.com  Mon Apr  4 20:07:20 2011
From: tom.romasz at googlemail.com (Tom Romaszkiewicz)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 19:07:20 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Mechanical counter wrap around
Message-ID: <BANLkTim8+i5gMekzM6j6T4uswoh5FbqEOA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Spotted a small issue on an otherwise now fully working CR-1E deck, saved
from mingling in the parts bin and being robbed of its reel motor.

The mechanical counter moves, as you would expect, rewind, fast forward,
play. Rewind to zero & stop, fine. When it wraps around at zero, sometimes
it works, but it may also not go beyond zero. just as its wrapping around,
you get a little click & counter makes a tick sound and hits zero, then it
stays at zero instead of moving on. Fast forwarding sometimes it gets stuck.
rewinding and then fast forwarding always it works.

For other people like me who on a rainy day, may like watching the washing
machine go through its motions, watching paint dry, watching spring & summer
arrive.. Take a look at your counter. Go on. Wind it forward. What does it
do?

For this deck, do you reckon, does the mechanism need a little clean? or as
the counter is belt driven, given the behaviour at a point when there will
be some extra drag / torque required, to drive the counter reset, is it more
likely just to be just belt tension? What size of belt would be needed? easy
to replace? the capstan belt doesn't need replacing and given the limited
budget I have for this, I don't really want to blow it all on all new belts!

Cheers,
Tom R
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From mrm12000 at cableone.net  Tue Apr  5 02:29:49 2011
From: mrm12000 at cableone.net (mrm12000 at cableone.net)
Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2011 17:29:49 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] ReVox B215 for sale
Message-ID: <61615.1301963389@cableone.net>

I have a ReVox B215 deck I'd like to sell. It's in very nice cosmetic shape and comes with the right-angled 
power cord and cassette-well cover that are often missing. It needs new pinch rollers, which are available 
on eBay, and a bulb that illuminates the LCD display is burned out (this looks to be easy to replace; there 
is a ton of working room inside the chassis). I have reprints of both the user and service manuals.

I'm willing to take offers. I won't sell it for less than $100, but I'll take the highest offer above that.
---- Msg sent via CableONE.net MyMail - http://www.cableone.net


From fsbaker77 at att.net  Mon Apr  4 23:31:42 2011
From: fsbaker77 at att.net (Frank Baker)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 17:31:42 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
Message-ID: <008a01cbf30f$b26d7d10$17487730$@net>

OK, I have ordered new belts from Marrs Communication.  It’s a CR-7, it should have the best.

 

The pinch rollers spin freely when not in contact with the capstans and appear to be parallel to them when in contact.

 

Ron, there are 4 leads coming off the circuit board at the back of the DD motor – black, purple, orange and green

 

With the power on and the tape stopped, Black to Orange is 11.45 V.  Black to purple is 12.35 V.  

 

Also, please pardon my ignorance, but is what you call the motor PCB what the service manual calls the logic PCB?  I couldn’t find IC M51721L either in the service manual or on the logic PCB itself, but I may have been looking in the wrong place.  A little additional guidance would be appreciated.

 

I also purchased a Tektronix scope off of eBay.  It should arrive sometime early next week.  

 

Thanks for all your help.

 

Frank

 

 

 

From: Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 9:24 AM
To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem

 


The following is not conclusive... 

I would first (because its the easiest) check the pinch 
rollers (should rotate freely and be clean and parallel 
to capstans) and their arms (should make good, even 
contact with the capstans). 

If the above is OK, I would check the capstan motor
electronics. Start with measurement of the 12V right 
at the PCB. Should be 12VDC ± 5%. 

If OK: a failed driver IC will cause the symptom you 
are experiencing, as will an open coil. To check, turn 
power off and measure resistance between pins 9 and 
10 (then repeat for pins 11 and 12) of IC M51721L 
on the motor PCB. If the results are equal in both 
measurements, the coils are likely good. 

Then, turn the deck on and hang a 'scope across each 
of these output pin pairs. Wait for slowdown. If 
waveforms and levels are equal, the IC is likely good.

Lacking a multimeter and/or 'scope, you can't really 
diagnose this, but you can fall back on the time 
honored ruse of blindly replacing the IC in the hope 
it is the culprit (about 50% chance). However, be 
aware that replacing this IC does require basic 
knowledge of electronics servicing (e.g. make 
absolutely sure the insulator is correctly in place 
and smear a thin layer of heat sink compound on 
both sides).

Good luck,

-- Ron

 

  _____  

From: Frank Baker <fsbaker77 at att.net>
To: Ron <ronami at yahoo.com>
Sent: Sat, April 2, 2011 10:45:14 AM
Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem

Hi Ron,

 

It slows to a crawl and eventually stops.

 

Frank

 

From: Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 8:28 AM
To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem

 


If you let it play, does it slow to a crawl and eventually 
stop, or does it continue at a reduced speed? Can you 
hear increased wow?

Does it happen with all cassettes? 

-- Ron

  _____  

From: Frank Baker <fsbaker77 at att.net>
To: naktalk at naks.com
Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 4:12:23 PM
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A problem

Hi All,

 

I have a CR-7A which starts to slow down after 2 or 3 minutes of playback.  If I stop and restart it works OK for about a minute then slows down again.  I just replaced both belts, but that didn’t help at all.  I just rejoined the list after about 2 years off, so if this has been recently discussed or handled, I apologize.  Any ideas would be appreciated.  

 

Frank

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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Tue Apr  5 01:47:20 2011
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 16:47:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000ZXL parts
In-Reply-To: <000601cbf305$1045d870$30d18950$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net>
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Hi Norman, 

This is a older Molex type connector. They have newer replacements that can be 
bough -look out for the same pin pitch and spacing.  


Cheers!
Bala 





________________________________
From: Norman van Wijnen <n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tue, April 5, 2011 6:15:38 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000ZXL parts


Hi all,
 
I have a little problem with the Nakamichi RAMM Board on my 1000ZXL. The 
connector CN29 has a broken contact. 

So I have to replace the connector I think and I wonder if there are spare parts 
on Naktalk for this deck.  Maybe a spare RAMM board or a spare connector ? The 
manual give us a part number F12P-SHVQ.
 
Thx
 
Norman
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From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com  Tue Apr  5 04:08:06 2011
From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 19:08:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
In-Reply-To: <008a01cbf30f$b26d7d10$17487730$@net>
Message-ID: <60490.10710.qm@web33306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

DOwnload the service manual and locate a series resistor supplying power to the DD motor board. When you press play without the tape check the voltage drop across this resistor - If the drop is too much you need to clean the capstan bearing as well check some components in the DD motor control board ( which contains everything infact including DD coils on oneside
Kannan
PS good probablity it is the electronic issue not the belt issue 

--- On Mon, 4/4/11, Frank Baker <fsbaker77 at att.net> wrote:


From: Frank Baker <fsbaker77 at att.net>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Monday, April 4, 2011, 5:31 PM






OK, I have ordered new belts from Marrs Communication.  It’s a CR-7, it should have the best.
 
The pinch rollers spin freely when not in contact with the capstans and appear to be parallel to them when in contact.
 
Ron, there are 4 leads coming off the circuit board at the back of the DD motor – black, purple, orange and green
 
With the power on and the tape stopped, Black to Orange is 11.45 V.  Black to purple is 12.35 V.  
 
Also, please pardon my ignorance, but is what you call the motor PCB what the service manual calls the logic PCB?  I couldn’t find IC M51721L either in the service manual or on the logic PCB itself, but I may have been looking in the wrong place.  A little additional guidance would be appreciated.
 
I also purchased a Tektronix scope off of eBay.  It should arrive sometime early next week.  
 
Thanks for all your help.
 
Frank
 
 
 


From: Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 9:24 AM
To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
 



The following is not conclusive... 

I would first (because its the easiest) check the pinch 
rollers (should rotate freely and be clean and parallel 
to capstans) and their arms (should make good, even 
contact with the capstans). 

If the above is OK, I would check the capstan motor
electronics. Start with measurement of the 12V right 
at the PCB. Should be 12VDC ± 5%. 

If OK: a failed driver IC will cause the symptom you 
are experiencing, as will an open coil. To check, turn 
power off and measure resistance between pins 9 and 
10 (then repeat for pins 11 and 12) of IC M51721L 
on the motor PCB. If the results are equal in both 
measurements, the coils are likely good. 

Then, turn the deck on and hang a 'scope across each 
of these output pin pairs. Wait for slowdown. If 
waveforms and levels are equal, the IC is likely good.

Lacking a multimeter and/or 'scope, you can't really 
diagnose this, but you can fall back on the time 
honored ruse of blindly replacing the IC in the hope 
it is the culprit (about 50% chance). However, be 
aware that replacing this IC does require basic 
knowledge of electronics servicing (e.g. make 
absolutely sure the insulator is correctly in place 
and smear a thin layer of heat sink compound on 
both sides).

Good luck,

-- Ron

 




From: Frank Baker <fsbaker77 at att.net>
To: Ron <ronami at yahoo.com>
Sent: Sat, April 2, 2011 10:45:14 AM
Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem

Hi Ron,
 
It slows to a crawl and eventually stops.
 
Frank
 


From: Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 8:28 AM
To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
 



If you let it play, does it slow to a crawl and eventually 
stop, or does it continue at a reduced speed? Can you 
hear increased wow?

Does it happen with all cassettes? 

-- Ron




From: Frank Baker <fsbaker77 at att.net>
To: naktalk at naks.com
Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 4:12:23 PM
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A problem

Hi All,
 
I have a CR-7A which starts to slow down after 2 or 3 minutes of playback.  If I stop and restart it works OK for about a minute then slows down again.  I just replaced both belts, but that didn’t help at all.  I just rejoined the list after about 2 years off, so if this has been recently discussed or handled, I apologize.  Any ideas would be appreciated.  
 
Frank
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From thomas36245-net at yahoo.com  Tue Apr  5 02:48:14 2011
From: thomas36245-net at yahoo.com (thomas)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 17:48:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Mechanical counter wrap around
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTim8+i5gMekzM6j6T4uswoh5FbqEOA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <250073.46006.qm@web80606.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Tom ; Here's a little trick for belts. Take off the belt and boil it in water for 4 to 5 minutes and then put it right into ice water. My friend tried this on a small belt that was slipping on his old cd carousel changer and it's been working fine now for months.   Thomas

--- On Mon, 4/4/11, Tom Romaszkiewicz <tom.romasz at googlemail.com> wrote:


From: Tom Romaszkiewicz <tom.romasz at googlemail.com>
Subject: [naktalk] Mechanical counter wrap around
To: naktalk at naks.com
Date: Monday, April 4, 2011, 2:07 PM


Hi,

Spotted a small issue on an otherwise now fully working CR-1E deck, saved from mingling in the parts bin and being robbed of its reel motor.

The mechanical counter moves, as you would expect, rewind, fast forward, play. Rewind to zero & stop, fine. When it wraps around at zero, sometimes it works, but it may also not go beyond zero. just as its wrapping around, you get a little click & counter makes a tick sound and hits zero, then it stays at zero instead of moving on. Fast forwarding sometimes it gets stuck. rewinding and then fast forwarding always it works.

For other people like me who on a rainy day, may like watching the washing machine go through its motions, watching paint dry, watching spring & summer arrive.. Take a look at your counter. Go on. Wind it forward. What does it do?

For this deck, do you reckon, does the mechanism need a little clean? or as the counter is belt driven, given the behaviour at a point when there will be some extra drag / torque required, to drive the counter reset, is it more likely just to be just belt tension? What size of belt would be needed? easy to replace? the capstan belt doesn't need replacing and given the limited budget I have for this, I don't really want to blow it all on all new belts!

Cheers,
Tom R

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From hhtltd at juno.com  Tue Apr  5 03:02:34 2011
From: hhtltd at juno.com (hhtltd at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 21:02:34 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] ReVox B215 for sale
Message-ID: <20110404.210235.2804.2.hhtltd@juno.com>

I offer $245.00 plus $30.00 shipping.  Please acknowledge offer.  Thanks!

NIno Moretti
hhtltd at juno.com


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> I have a ReVox B215 deck I'd like to sell. It's in very nice cosmetic 
> shape and comes with the right-angled 
> power cord and cassette-well cover that are often missing. It needs 
> new pinch rollers, which are available 
> on eBay, and a bulb that illuminates the LCD display is burned out 
> (this looks to be easy to replace; there 
> is a ton of working room inside the chassis). I have reprints of 
> both the user and service manuals.
> 
> I'm willing to take offers. I won't sell it for less than $100, but 
> I'll take the highest offer above that.
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From bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr  Tue Apr  5 09:49:49 2011
From: bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr (boitrel)
Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2011 09:49:49 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
In-Reply-To: <008a01cbf30f$b26d7d10$17487730$@net>
References: <008a01cbf30f$b26d7d10$17487730$@net>
Message-ID: <4D9AC99D.6000600@univ-rennes1.fr>

I think what Ron calls PCB motor is called "Flywheel Holder PCB"  (part 
number 0C81428A) on page 19 of the SM.
I know that because we discussed about this in the case of my BX300E 
(which has the same transport)

cheers
bernard


Le 04/04/2011 23:31, Frank Baker a écrit :
>
> OK, I have ordered new belts from Marrs Communication.  It’s a CR-7, 
> it should have the best.
>
> The pinch rollers spin freely when not in contact with the capstans 
> and appear to be parallel to them when in contact.
>
> Ron, there are 4 leads coming off the circuit board at the back of the 
> DD motor – black, purple, orange and green
>
> With the power on and the tape stopped, Black to Orange is 11.45 V.  
> Black to purple is 12.35 V.
>
> Also, please pardon my ignorance, but is what you call the motor PCB 
> what the service manual calls the logic PCB?  I couldn’t find IC 
> M51721L either in the service manual or on the logic PCB itself, but I 
> may have been looking in the wrong place.  A little additional 
> guidance would be appreciated.
>
> I also purchased a Tektronix scope off of eBay.  It should arrive 
> sometime early next week.
>
> Thanks for all your help.
>
> Frank
>
> *From:*Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com]
> *Sent:* Sunday, April 03, 2011 9:24 AM
> *To:* fsbaker77 at yahoo.com
> *Subject:* [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
>
>
> The following is not conclusive...
>
> I would first (because its the easiest) check the pinch
> rollers (should rotate freely and be clean and parallel
> to capstans) and their arms (should make good, even
> contact with the capstans).
>
> If the above is OK, I would check the capstan motor
> electronics. Start with measurement of the 12V right
> at the PCB. Should be 12VDC ± 5%.
>
> If OK: a failed driver IC will cause the symptom you
> are experiencing, as will an open coil. To check, turn
> power off and measure resistance between pins 9 and
> 10 (then repeat for pins 11 and 12) of IC M51721L
> on the motor PCB. If the results are equal in both
> measurements, the coils are likely good.
>
> Then, turn the deck on and hang a 'scope across each
> of these output pin pairs. Wait for slowdown. If
> waveforms and levels are equal, the IC is likely good.
>
> Lacking a multimeter and/or 'scope, you can't really
> diagnose this, but you can fall back on the time
> honored ruse of blindly replacing the IC in the hope
> it is the culprit (about 50% chance). However, be
> aware that replacing this IC does require basic
> knowledge of electronics servicing (e.g. make
> absolutely sure the insulator is correctly in place
> and smear a thin layer of heat sink compound on
> both sides).
>
> Good luck,
>
> -- Ron
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:*Frank Baker <fsbaker77 at att.net>
> *To:* Ron <ronami at yahoo.com>
> *Sent:* Sat, April 2, 2011 10:45:14 AM
> *Subject:* RE: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
>
> Hi Ron,
>
> It slows to a crawl and eventually stops.
>
> Frank
>
> *From:*Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com]
> *Sent:* Saturday, April 02, 2011 8:28 AM
> *To:* fsbaker77 at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> *Subject:* [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
>
>
> If you let it play, does it slow to a crawl and eventually
> stop, or does it continue at a reduced speed? Can you
> hear increased wow?
>
> Does it happen with all cassettes?
>
> -- Ron
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:*Frank Baker <fsbaker77 at att.net>
> *To:* naktalk at naks.com
> *Sent:* Fri, April 1, 2011 4:12:23 PM
> *Subject:* [naktalk] CR-7A problem
>
> Hi All,
>
> I have a CR-7A which starts to slow down after 2 or 3 minutes of 
> playback.  If I stop and restart it works OK for about a minute then 
> slows down again.  I just replaced both belts, but that didn’t help at 
> all.  I just rejoined the list after about 2 years off, so if this has 
> been recently discussed or handled, I apologize.  Any ideas would be 
> appreciated.
>
> Frank
>
>
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From bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr  Tue Apr  5 09:54:14 2011
From: bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr (boitrel)
Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2011 09:54:14 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
In-Reply-To: <008a01cbf30f$b26d7d10$17487730$@net>
References: <008a01cbf30f$b26d7d10$17487730$@net>
Message-ID: <4D9ACAA6.30606@univ-rennes1.fr>

Ron,

Could the problem of Frank's cr7 be the same of what it was with my 
BX300? (if you remember: motor driver and/or capstan washers too tighly 
pushed on the motor plate)

bernard

Le 04/04/2011 23:31, Frank Baker a écrit :
>
> OK, I have ordered new belts from Marrs Communication.  It’s a CR-7, 
> it should have the best.
>
> The pinch rollers spin freely when not in contact with the capstans 
> and appear to be parallel to them when in contact.
>
> Ron, there are 4 leads coming off the circuit board at the back of the 
> DD motor – black, purple, orange and green
>
> With the power on and the tape stopped, Black to Orange is 11.45 V.  
> Black to purple is 12.35 V.
>
> Also, please pardon my ignorance, but is what you call the motor PCB 
> what the service manual calls the logic PCB?  I couldn’t find IC 
> M51721L either in the service manual or on the logic PCB itself, but I 
> may have been looking in the wrong place.  A little additional 
> guidance would be appreciated.
>
> I also purchased a Tektronix scope off of eBay.  It should arrive 
> sometime early next week.
>
> Thanks for all your help.
>
> Frank
>
> *From:*Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com]
> *Sent:* Sunday, April 03, 2011 9:24 AM
> *To:* fsbaker77 at yahoo.com
> *Subject:* [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
>
>
> The following is not conclusive...
>
> I would first (because its the easiest) check the pinch
> rollers (should rotate freely and be clean and parallel
> to capstans) and their arms (should make good, even
> contact with the capstans).
>
> If the above is OK, I would check the capstan motor
> electronics. Start with measurement of the 12V right
> at the PCB. Should be 12VDC ± 5%.
>
> If OK: a failed driver IC will cause the symptom you
> are experiencing, as will an open coil. To check, turn
> power off and measure resistance between pins 9 and
> 10 (then repeat for pins 11 and 12) of IC M51721L
> on the motor PCB. If the results are equal in both
> measurements, the coils are likely good.
>
> Then, turn the deck on and hang a 'scope across each
> of these output pin pairs. Wait for slowdown. If
> waveforms and levels are equal, the IC is likely good.
>
> Lacking a multimeter and/or 'scope, you can't really
> diagnose this, but you can fall back on the time
> honored ruse of blindly replacing the IC in the hope
> it is the culprit (about 50% chance). However, be
> aware that replacing this IC does require basic
> knowledge of electronics servicing (e.g. make
> absolutely sure the insulator is correctly in place
> and smear a thin layer of heat sink compound on
> both sides).
>
> Good luck,
>
> -- Ron
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:*Frank Baker <fsbaker77 at att.net>
> *To:* Ron <ronami at yahoo.com>
> *Sent:* Sat, April 2, 2011 10:45:14 AM
> *Subject:* RE: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
>
> Hi Ron,
>
> It slows to a crawl and eventually stops.
>
> Frank
>
> *From:*Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com]
> *Sent:* Saturday, April 02, 2011 8:28 AM
> *To:* fsbaker77 at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> *Subject:* [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
>
>
> If you let it play, does it slow to a crawl and eventually
> stop, or does it continue at a reduced speed? Can you
> hear increased wow?
>
> Does it happen with all cassettes?
>
> -- Ron
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:*Frank Baker <fsbaker77 at att.net>
> *To:* naktalk at naks.com
> *Sent:* Fri, April 1, 2011 4:12:23 PM
> *Subject:* [naktalk] CR-7A problem
>
> Hi All,
>
> I have a CR-7A which starts to slow down after 2 or 3 minutes of 
> playback.  If I stop and restart it works OK for about a minute then 
> slows down again.  I just replaced both belts, but that didn’t help at 
> all.  I just rejoined the list after about 2 years off, so if this has 
> been recently discussed or handled, I apologize.  Any ideas would be 
> appreciated.
>
> Frank
>
>
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From perry.nak at comcast.net  Tue Apr  5 14:59:48 2011
From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 12:59:48 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 vs ZX-7
Message-ID: <2111443510.657246.1302008388838.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

I'm definitely counter to the crowd here and would always choose a ZX-7 over a CR-7, though to be honest, in a like minded price comparison, the cost of a ZX-9 and CR-7 are much closer. I wonder how many here would choose a CR-7 over a ZX-9? ZX-7s can be had for 1/2 or less than the price of CR-7, they are FAR easier and less expensive to work/be worked on, and once overhauled (which includes replacement of orange caps), you have a much higher chance of no issues much farther down the road. There is no comparison in the build qualities, the ZX-7 is far better. The CR-7 is just a basic DD Sanyo mechanism, identical to the CR-5, BX-300, etc, and as such, in REALITY it's W&F numbers are no better than a well serviced classic transport. The Sankyo mechanism is just "alright", while the classic transport is "superb". Every Sankyo transport I've worked on (not just Nakamichi, but Yamaha, too) has the same issues, lousy reel motors, chintzy index motor and switches, take-up bearing whine (varying degrees depending on the DD deck, sometimes, pretty bad. The non DD decks don't have this issue) and only fair speed Drift control. There is always a larger difference in speed between the beginning and end of a tape, and between a low friction and high friction tape on Sankyo decks, yet a well serviced classic transport handles them all the same, and better. The differences aren't huge by any stretch, and I'm not saying Sankyo transports are inferior or junk, but when you do the measurements, they are always there. The CR-7 uses far more oddball transistors and custom ICs, than the ZX-7, though the CR-7 has far better electrolytic caps. I definitely prefer the full manual "Keys to the Kingdom" tape recording over the full auto on the CR-7, and the display on the CR-7 gives far more information. CR-7s are going for a hefty premium now, and I'm not sure why, as this has only happened in the last year or so, while ZX-7/9s have been steadily increasing at moderate rates, so I'd also be a little leery of paying for the hot item now, and having it drop in value, though that is only really a small consideration, I'll admit. Most of us don't intentionally buy Naks as investments.
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From ronami at yahoo.com  Tue Apr  5 17:10:34 2011
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 08:10:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
In-Reply-To: <008a01cbf30f$b26d7d10$17487730$@net>
References: <008a01cbf30f$b26d7d10$17487730$@net>
Message-ID: <443342.40163.qm@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


> Ron, there are 4 leads coming off the circuit board at the back of the DD motor 
>– black, purple, orange and green
> With the power on and the tape stopped, Black to Orange is 11.45 V.  Black to 
>purple is 12.35 V.  
>

Orange to Black is what you want to measure. Should be 11.7V
(nominally), so 11.4 is acceptable. However, do measure again,
with a cassette running, before and after slow down. Normally, 
it should be slightly lower and stable. If it goes lower and lower 
as speed drops, it would indicate the problem is in that circuit.

> ... is what you call the motor PCB what the service manual calls the logic 
PCB?

No. What I call motor PCB is the small PCB attached to the 
capstan motor. Layout is not shown in the service manual, 
because Nakamichi viewed the whole motor as a single 
replaceable component, but I believe you can find photos and 
parts identification on the Naks.com wiki page, in a file for the
Sankyo transport. Schematic is shown in the service manual, 
Fig 8.2.3, under the logic PCB schematic, in a block marked 
'Motor PCB'.

> I also purchased a Tektronix scope off of eBay.

Congrats. Just curious: what model did you get?

Keep up posted,

-- Ron




From: Frank Baker <fsbaker77 at att.net>

To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Mon, April 4, 2011 5:31:42 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem


OK, I have ordered new belts from Marrs Communication.  It’s a CR-7, it should 
have the best.
 
The pinch rollers spin freely when not in contact with the capstans and appear 
to be parallel to them when in contact.
 
Ron, there are 4 leads coming off the circuit board at the back of the DD motor 
– black, purple, orange and green
 
With the power on and the tape stopped, Black to Orange is 11.45 V.  Black to 
purple is 12.35 V.  

 
Also, please pardon my ignorance, but is what you call the motor PCB what the 
service manual calls the logic PCB?  I couldn’t find IC M51721L either in the 
service manual or on the logic PCB itself, but I may have been looking in the 
wrong place.  A little additional guidance would be appreciated.
 
I also purchased a Tektronix scope off of eBay.  It should arrive sometime early 
next week.  

 
Thanks for all your help.
 
Frank
 
 
 
From:Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 9:24 AM
To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
 

The following is not conclusive... 

I would first (because its the easiest) check the pinch 
rollers (should rotate freely and be clean and parallel 
to capstans) and their arms (should make good, even 
contact with the capstans). 

If the above is OK, I would check the capstan motor
electronics. Start with measurement of the 12V right 
at the PCB. Should be 12VDC ± 5%. 

If OK: a failed driver IC will cause the symptom you 
are experiencing, as will an open coil. To check, turn 
power off and measure resistance between pins 9 and 
10 (then repeat for pins 11 and 12) of IC M51721L 
on the motor PCB. If the results are equal in both 
measurements, the coils are likely good. 

Then, turn the deck on and hang a 'scope across each 
of these output pin pairs. Wait for slowdown. If 
waveforms and levels are equal, the IC is likely good.

Lacking a multimeter and/or 'scope, you can't really 
diagnose this, but you can fall back on the time 
honored ruse of blindly replacing the IC in the hope 
it is the culprit (about 50% chance). However, be 
aware that replacing this IC does require basic 
knowledge of electronics servicing (e.g. make 
absolutely sure the insulator is correctly in place 
and smear a thin layer of heat sink compound on 
both sides).

Good luck,

-- Ron
 

________________________________

From:Frank Baker <fsbaker77 at att.net>
To: Ron <ronami at yahoo.com>
Sent: Sat, April 2, 2011 10:45:14 AM
Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
Hi Ron,
 
It slows to a crawl and eventually stops.
 
Frank
 
From:Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 8:28 AM
To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
 

If you let it play, does it slow to a crawl and eventually 
stop, or does it continue at a reduced speed? Can you 
hear increased wow?

Does it happen with all cassettes? 

-- Ron

________________________________

From:Frank Baker <fsbaker77 at att.net>
To: naktalk at naks.com
Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 4:12:23 PM
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
Hi All,
 
I have a CR-7A which starts to slow down after 2 or 3 minutes of playback.  If I 
stop and restart it works OK for about a minute then slows down again.  I just 
replaced both belts, but that didn’t help at all.  I just rejoined the list 
after about 2 years off, so if this has been recently discussed or handled, I 
apologize.  Any ideas would be appreciated.  

 
Frank
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From ronami at yahoo.com  Tue Apr  5 17:14:11 2011
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 08:14:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
In-Reply-To: <4D9ACAA6.30606@univ-rennes1.fr>
References: <008a01cbf30f$b26d7d10$17487730$@net>
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Message-ID: <232060.16872.qm@web130107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


Yes, it could, among several other possibilities.

-- Ron




________________________________
From: boitrel <bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr>
To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tue, April 5, 2011 3:54:14 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem

Ron,

Could the problem of Frank's cr7 be the same of what it was with my     BX300? 
(if you remember: motor driver and/or capstan washers too     tighly pushed on 
the motor plate)

bernard

Le 04/04/2011 23:31, Frank Baker a écrit : 
 
>OK, I have ordered new belts from Marrs             Communication.  It’s a CR-7, 
>it should have the best.
> 
>The pinch rollers spin freely when not in contact             with the capstans 
>and appear to be parallel to them when in             contact.
> 
>Ron, there are 4 leads coming off the circuit             board at the back of 
>the DD motor – black, purple, orange             and green
> 
>With the power on and the tape stopped, Black to             Orange is 11.45 V.  
>Black to purple is 12.35 V.  
>
> 
>Also, please pardon my ignorance, but is what you             call the motor PCB 
>what the service manual calls the logic             PCB?  I couldn’t find IC 
>M51721L either in the service             manual or on the logic PCB itself, but 
>I may have been             looking in the wrong place.  A little additional 
>guidance             would be appreciated.
> 
>I also purchased a Tektronix scope off of eBay.              It should arrive 
>sometime early next week.  
>
> 
>Thanks for all your help.
> 
>Frank
> 
> 
> 
>From:Ron                 [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com] 
>Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 9:24 AM
>To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com
>Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A                 problem
> 
>
>The following is not conclusive... 
>
>I would first (because its the easiest) check the pinch 
>rollers (should rotate freely and be clean and parallel 
>to capstans) and their arms (should make good, even 
>contact with the capstans). 
>
>If the above is OK, I would check the capstan motor
>electronics. Start with measurement of the 12V right 
>at the PCB. Should be 12VDC ± 5%. 
>
>If OK: a failed driver IC will cause the symptom you 
>are experiencing, as will an open coil. To check, turn 
>power off and measure resistance between pins 9 and 
>10 (then repeat for pins 11 and 12) of IC M51721L 
>on the motor PCB. If the results are equal in both 
>measurements, the coils are likely good. 
>
>Then, turn the deck on and hang a 'scope across each 
>of these output pin pairs. Wait for slowdown. If 
>waveforms and levels are equal, the IC is likely good.
>
>Lacking a multimeter and/or 'scope, you can't really 
>diagnose this, but you can fall back on the time 
>honored ruse of blindly replacing the IC in the hope 
>it is the culprit (about 50% chance). However, be 
>aware that replacing this IC does require basic 
>knowledge of electronics servicing (e.g. make 
>absolutely sure the insulator is correctly in place 
>and smear a thin layer of heat sink compound on 
>both sides).
>
>Good luck,
>
>-- Ron
> 
>
________________________________

>From:Frank                   Baker <fsbaker77 at att.net>
>To: Ron <ronami at yahoo.com>
>Sent: Sat, April 2, 2011 10:45:14 AM
>Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
>Hi Ron,
> 
>It slows to a crawl and eventually stops.
> 
>Frank
> 
>From:Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com] 
>Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 8:28 AM
>To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com; Talk about                         Nakamichi Cassette 
>Decks
>Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A                         problem
> 
>
>If you let it play, does it slow to a crawl and                       eventually 
>
>stop, or does it continue at a reduced speed? Can                       you 
>hear increased wow?
>
>Does it happen with all cassettes? 
>
>-- Ron
>
________________________________

>From:Frank Baker <fsbaker77 at att.net>
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 4:12:23 PM
>Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
>Hi All,
> 
>I have a CR-7A which starts                           to slow down after 2 or 3 
>minutes of playback.                            If I stop and restart it works 
>OK for about a                           minute then slows down again.  I just 
>replaced                           both belts, but that didn’t help at all.  I                           
>just rejoined the list after about 2 years                           off, so if 
>this has been recently discussed or                           handled, I 
>apologize.  Any ideas would be                           appreciated.  
>
> 
>Frank
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From ronami at yahoo.com  Tue Apr  5 17:20:56 2011
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 08:20:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 vs ZX-7
In-Reply-To: <2111443510.657246.1302008388838.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
References: <2111443510.657246.1302008388838.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <618133.70874.qm@web130124.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


While I disagree with much of what you say, I note that 
you didn't allude to the most important (to me) aspect of
the comparison: how do they sound.

-- Ron





________________________________
From: "perry.nak at comcast.net" <perry.nak at comcast.net>
To: naktalk at naks.com
Sent: Tue, April 5, 2011 8:59:48 AM
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 vs ZX-7


I'm definitely counter to the crowd here and would always choose a ZX-7 over a 
CR-7, though to be honest, in a like minded price comparison, the cost of a ZX-9 
and CR-7 are much closer. I wonder how many here would choose a CR-7 over a 
ZX-9? ZX-7s can be had for 1/2 or less than the price of CR-7, they are FAR 
easier and less expensive to work/be worked on, and once overhauled (which 
includes replacement of orange caps), you have a much higher chance of no issues 
much farther down the road. There is no comparison in the build qualities, the 
ZX-7 is far better.  The CR-7 is just a basic DD Sanyo mechanism, identical to 
the CR-5, BX-300, etc, and as such, in REALITY it's W&F numbers are no better 
than a well serviced classic transport. The Sankyo mechanism is just "alright", 
while the classic transport is "superb". Every Sankyo transport I've worked on 
(not just Nakamichi, but Yamaha, too) has the same issues, lousy reel motors, 
chintzy index motor and switches, take-up bearing whine (varying degrees 
depending on the DD deck, sometimes, pretty bad.  The non DD decks don't have 
this issue) and only fair speed Drift control. There is always a larger 
difference in speed between the beginning and end of a tape, and between a low 
friction and high friction tape on Sankyo decks, yet a well serviced classic 
transport handles them all the same, and better. The differences aren't huge by 
any stretch, and I'm not saying Sankyo transports are inferior or junk, but when 
you do the measurements, they are always there.  The CR-7 uses far more oddball 
transistors and custom ICs, than the ZX-7, though the CR-7 has far better 
electrolytic caps. I definitely prefer the full manual "Keys to the Kingdom" 
tape recording over the full auto on the CR-7, and the display on the CR-7 gives 
far more information.  CR-7s are going for a hefty premium now, and I'm not sure 
why, as this has only happened in the last year or so, while ZX-7/9s have been 
steadily increasing at moderate rates, so I'd also be a little leery of paying 
for the hot item now, and having it drop in value, though that is only really a 
small consideration, I'll admit.  Most of us don't intentionally buy Naks as 
investments.
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From r1seals at yahoo.com  Tue Apr  5 17:10:25 2011
From: r1seals at yahoo.com (Russ Seals)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 08:10:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 vs ZX-7
In-Reply-To: <2111443510.657246.1302008388838.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <50178.6409.qm@web113310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hi Perry 
 ya know I am kinda of leaning that way as well with the classic transport thing ever since i got a 480 it just handles the tape better just my opinion   I have a few bx 300s but your right about that transport and i know others have in the past said the same thing about the two,
just wish that nak kept the classic transport in all nak decks I also had Tom go through a LX-5 for me and i love it to has better pinch rollers better idle tier and i bet that it stays in adjustment longer as well. 
 But I have not had a CR-7 so can't comment  on that machine but what others have said about it  is more cd sounding  than the classic nak decks 
 BTW do you think that the rubber on the classic pinch rollers are different rubber than  sanko rubber to me it just seems like what nak put in the classics just holds up much better  

 and Perry sorry to here about the test tapes that got ruined on the CR-7  bummer 

--- On Tue, 4/5/11, perry.nak at comcast.net <perry.nak at comcast.net> wrote:

From: perry.nak at comcast.net <perry.nak at comcast.net>
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 vs ZX-7
To: naktalk at naks.com
Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2011, 7:59 AM

#yiv502079628 p {margin:0;}I'm definitely counter to the crowd here and would always choose a ZX-7 over a CR-7, though to be honest, in a like minded price comparison, the cost of a ZX-9 and CR-7 are much closer. I wonder how many here would choose a CR-7 over a ZX-9? ZX-7s can be had for 1/2 or less than the price of CR-7, they are FAR easier and less expensive to work/be worked on, and once overhauled (which includes replacement of orange caps), you have a much higher chance of no issues much farther down the road. There is no comparison in the build qualities, the ZX-7 is far better.  The CR-7 is just a basic DD Sanyo mechanism, identical to the CR-5, BX-300, etc, and as such, in REALITY it's W&F numbers are no better than a well serviced classic transport. The Sankyo mechanism is just "alright", while the classic transport is "superb". Every Sankyo transport I've worked on (not just Nakamichi, but Yamaha, too) has the same issues, lousy reel motors,
 chintzy index motor and switches, take-up bearing whine (varying degrees depending on the DD deck, sometimes, pretty bad.  The non DD decks don't have this issue) and only fair speed Drift control. There is always a larger difference in speed between the beginning and end of a tape, and between a low friction and high friction tape on Sankyo decks, yet a well serviced classic transport handles them all the same, and better. The differences aren't huge by any stretch, and I'm not saying Sankyo transports are inferior or junk, but when you do the measurements, they are always there.  The CR-7 uses far more oddball transistors and custom ICs, than the ZX-7, though the CR-7 has far better electrolytic caps. I definitely prefer the full manual "Keys to the Kingdom" tape recording over the full auto on the CR-7, and the display on the CR-7 gives far more information.  CR-7s are going for a hefty premium now, and I'm not sure why, as this has only happened
 in the last year or so, while ZX-7/9s have been steadily increasing at moderate rates, so I'd also be a little leery of paying for the hot item now, and having it drop in value, though that is only really a small consideration, I'll admit.  Most of us don't intentionally buy Naks as investments.
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From fsbaker77 at att.net  Tue Apr  5 17:16:40 2011
From: fsbaker77 at att.net (Frank Baker)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 11:16:40 -0400
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
In-Reply-To: <4D9ACAA6.30606@univ-rennes1.fr>
References: <008a01cbf30f$b26d7d10$17487730$@net>
	<4D9ACAA6.30606@univ-rennes1.fr>
Message-ID: <005a01cbf3a4$77d4ec20$677ec460$@net>

Well, the problem seems to be fixed!

 

Last night I lubricated the capstans and ran it for about 2 hours without

a problem.  It has now played flawlessly for about 4 hours this morning

so I am pretty sure that was the problem.

 

I want to thank all of you from the bottom of my heart for your help.  

So many people were willing to pitch in with suggestions to help a fellow 

Nak-lover.  It’s really great to know that there is a community out there 

that is willing to support one another.

 

Frank

 

From: boitrel [mailto:bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 3:54 AM
To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem

 

Ron,

Could the problem of Frank's cr7 be the same of what it was with my BX300? (if you remember: motor driver and/or capstan washers too tighly pushed on the motor plate)

bernard

Le 04/04/2011 23:31, Frank Baker a écrit : 

OK, I have ordered new belts from Marrs Communication.  It’s a CR-7, it should have the best.

 

The pinch rollers spin freely when not in contact with the capstans and appear to be parallel to them when in contact.

 

Ron, there are 4 leads coming off the circuit board at the back of the DD motor – black, purple, orange and green

 

With the power on and the tape stopped, Black to Orange is 11.45 V.  Black to purple is 12.35 V.  

 

Also, please pardon my ignorance, but is what you call the motor PCB what the service manual calls the logic PCB?  I couldn’t find IC M51721L either in the service manual or on the logic PCB itself, but I may have been looking in the wrong place.  A little additional guidance would be appreciated.

 

I also purchased a Tektronix scope off of eBay.  It should arrive sometime early next week.  

 

Thanks for all your help.

 

Frank

 

 

 

From: Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 9:24 AM
To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem

 


The following is not conclusive... 

I would first (because its the easiest) check the pinch 
rollers (should rotate freely and be clean and parallel 
to capstans) and their arms (should make good, even 
contact with the capstans). 

If the above is OK, I would check the capstan motor
electronics. Start with measurement of the 12V right 
at the PCB. Should be 12VDC ± 5%. 

If OK: a failed driver IC will cause the symptom you 
are experiencing, as will an open coil. To check, turn 
power off and measure resistance between pins 9 and 
10 (then repeat for pins 11 and 12) of IC M51721L 
on the motor PCB. If the results are equal in both 
measurements, the coils are likely good. 

Then, turn the deck on and hang a 'scope across each 
of these output pin pairs. Wait for slowdown. If 
waveforms and levels are equal, the IC is likely good.

Lacking a multimeter and/or 'scope, you can't really 
diagnose this, but you can fall back on the time 
honored ruse of blindly replacing the IC in the hope 
it is the culprit (about 50% chance). However, be 
aware that replacing this IC does require basic 
knowledge of electronics servicing (e.g. make 
absolutely sure the insulator is correctly in place 
and smear a thin layer of heat sink compound on 
both sides).

Good luck,

-- Ron

 

  _____  

From: Frank Baker  <mailto:fsbaker77 at att.net> <fsbaker77 at att.net>
To: Ron  <mailto:ronami at yahoo.com> <ronami at yahoo.com>
Sent: Sat, April 2, 2011 10:45:14 AM
Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem

Hi Ron,

 

It slows to a crawl and eventually stops.

 

Frank

 

From: Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 8:28 AM
To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem

 


If you let it play, does it slow to a crawl and eventually 
stop, or does it continue at a reduced speed? Can you 
hear increased wow?

Does it happen with all cassettes? 

-- Ron

  _____  

From: Frank Baker  <mailto:fsbaker77 at att.net> <fsbaker77 at att.net>
To: naktalk at naks.com
Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 4:12:23 PM
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A problem

Hi All,

 

I have a CR-7A which starts to slow down after 2 or 3 minutes of playback.  If I stop and restart it works OK for about a minute then slows down again.  I just replaced both belts, but that didn’t help at all.  I just rejoined the list after about 2 years off, so if this has been recently discussed or handled, I apologize.  Any ideas would be appreciated.  

 

Frank

 
 
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From fsbaker77 at att.net  Tue Apr  5 17:25:39 2011
From: fsbaker77 at att.net (Frank Baker)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 11:25:39 -0400
Subject: FW: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
Message-ID: <006501cbf3a5$b99e64f0$2cdb2ed0$@net>

Thanks for the clarifications, but as I posted in an earlier message,

Lubricating the capstans seems to have fixed the problem.

 

I picked up a Tektronix 2232 which has just been calibrated.

 

Frank

 

From: Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 11:11 AM
To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem

 


> Ron, there are 4 leads coming off the circuit board at the back of the DD motor – black, purple, orange and green
> With the power on and the tape stopped, Black to Orange is 11.45 V.  Black to purple is 12.35 V.  

Orange to Black is what you want to measure. Should be 11.7V
(nominally), so 11.4 is acceptable. However, do measure again,
with a cassette running, before and after slow down. Normally, 
it should be slightly lower and stable. If it goes lower and lower 
as speed drops, it would indicate the problem is in that circuit.

> ... is what you call the motor PCB what the service manual calls the logic PCB?

No. What I call motor PCB is the small PCB attached to the 
capstan motor. Layout is not shown in the service manual, 
because Nakamichi viewed the whole motor as a single 
replaceable component, but I believe you can find photos and 
parts identification on the Naks.com wiki page, in a file for the
Sankyo transport. Schematic is shown in the service manual, 
Fig 8.2.3, under the logic PCB schematic, in a block marked 
'Motor PCB'.

> I also purchased a Tektronix scope off of eBay.

Congrats. Just curious: what model did you get?

Keep up posted,

-- Ron




From: Frank Baker <fsbaker77 at att.net>

To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Mon, April 4, 2011 5:31:42 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem

OK, I have ordered new belts from Marrs Communication.  It’s a CR-7, it should have the best.

 

The pinch rollers spin freely when not in contact with the capstans and appear to be parallel to them when in contact.

 

Ron, there are 4 leads coming off the circuit board at the back of the DD motor – black, purple, orange and green

 

With the power on and the tape stopped, Black to Orange is 11.45 V.  Black to purple is 12.35 V.  

 

Also, please pardon my ignorance, but is what you call the motor PCB what the service manual calls the logic PCB?  I couldn’t find IC M51721L either in the service manual or on the logic PCB itself, but I may have been looking in the wrong place.  A little additional guidance would be appreciated.

 

I also purchased a Tektronix scope off of eBay.  It should arrive sometime early next week.  

 

Thanks for all your help.

 

Frank

 

 

 

From: Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 9:24 AM
To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem

 


The following is not conclusive... 

I would first (because its the easiest) check the pinch 
rollers (should rotate freely and be clean and parallel 
to capstans) and their arms (should make good, even 
contact with the capstans). 

If the above is OK, I would check the capstan motor
electronics. Start with measurement of the 12V right 
at the PCB. Should be 12VDC ± 5%. 

If OK: a failed driver IC will cause the symptom you 
are experiencing, as will an open coil. To check, turn 
power off and measure resistance between pins 9 and 
10 (then repeat for pins 11 and 12) of IC M51721L 
on the motor PCB. If the results are equal in both 
measurements, the coils are likely good. 

Then, turn the deck on and hang a 'scope across each 
of these output pin pairs. Wait for slowdown. If 
waveforms and levels are equal, the IC is likely good.

Lacking a multimeter and/or 'scope, you can't really 
diagnose this, but you can fall back on the time 
honored ruse of blindly replacing the IC in the hope 
it is the culprit (about 50% chance). However, be 
aware that replacing this IC does require basic 
knowledge of electronics servicing (e.g. make 
absolutely sure the insulator is correctly in place 
and smear a thin layer of heat sink compound on 
both sides).

Good luck,

-- Ron

 

  _____  

From: Frank Baker <fsbaker77 at att.net>
To: Ron <ronami at yahoo.com>
Sent: Sat, April 2, 2011 10:45:14 AM
Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem

Hi Ron,

 

It slows to a crawl and eventually stops.

 

Frank

 

From: Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 8:28 AM
To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem

 


If you let it play, does it slow to a crawl and eventually 
stop, or does it continue at a reduced speed? Can you 
hear increased wow?

Does it happen with all cassettes? 

-- Ron

  _____  

From: Frank Baker <fsbaker77 at att.net>
To: naktalk at naks.com
Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 4:12:23 PM
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A problem

Hi All,

 

I have a CR-7A which starts to slow down after 2 or 3 minutes of playback.  If I stop and restart it works OK for about a minute then slows down again.  I just replaced both belts, but that didn’t help at all.  I just rejoined the list after about 2 years off, so if this has been recently discussed or handled, I apologize.  Any ideas would be appreciated.  

 

Frank

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From fred at marrscom.com  Tue Apr  5 18:18:41 2011
From: fred at marrscom.com (Fred Marrs)
Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2011 11:18:41 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] 4-5-11 UPDATE,   Nakamichi Factory Belt Kits
Message-ID: <4D9B40E1.8020102@marrscom.com>

*4-5-11 UPDATE

Just want to give everyone an Update on my Nakamichi, Akai and Aiwa 
Factory Belt Supply from Japan

I place a Stock Order last Thursday 3-30. I received Confirmation today 
by email.

I still have not had contact by Phone. No further information. Fred M. *


From p9019 at yahoo.com  Tue Apr  5 22:59:57 2011
From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 13:59:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
In-Reply-To: <006501cbf3a5$b99e64f0$2cdb2ed0$@net>
References: <006501cbf3a5$b99e64f0$2cdb2ed0$@net>
Message-ID: <426231.29128.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I like Tektronix scopes.  Recently sold my TDS320 and 2220 scopes, but, still 
have my TDS644A, 7704A, 7313, a couple 305's and a couple SC502's

On your 2232 try this easter egg.
1. turn the scope on 
2. push the "ADV FUNKT" button once 
3. push the "SAVE REF. 3" two times 
5. move the "CURSOR" 
6. now you have reached the so called "secret menu" here you can see a wizzard 
on a scateboard or the "TECTRONIX" logo or you can clear all memories.

Found on this site. http://www.eeggs.com/items/11778.html





________________________________
From: Frank Baker <fsbaker77 at att.net>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tue, April 5, 2011 8:25:39 AM
Subject: FW: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem


Thanks for the clarifications, but as I posted in an earlier message,
Lubricating the capstans seems to have fixed the problem.
 
I picked up a Tektronix 2232 which has just been calibrated.
 
Frank
 
From:Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 11:11 AM
To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
 

> Ron, there are 4 leads coming off the circuit board at the back of the DD motor 
>– black, purple, orange and green
> With the power on and the tape stopped, Black to Orange is 11.45 V.  Black to 
>purple is 12.35 V.  
>

Orange to Black is what you want to measure. Should be 11.7V
(nominally), so 11.4 is acceptable. However, do measure again,
with a cassette running, before and after slow down. Normally, 
it should be slightly lower and stable. If it goes lower and lower 
as speed drops, it would indicate the problem is in that circuit.

> ... is what you call the motor PCB what the service manual calls the logic 
PCB?

No. What I call motor PCB is the small PCB attached to the 
capstan motor. Layout is not shown in the service manual, 
because Nakamichi viewed the whole motor as a single 
replaceable component, but I believe you can find photos and 
parts identification on the Naks.com wiki page, in a file for the
Sankyo transport. Schematic is shown in the service manual, 
Fig 8.2.3, under the logic PCB schematic, in a block marked 
'Motor PCB'.

> I also purchased a Tektronix scope off of eBay.

Congrats. Just curious: what model did you get?

Keep up posted,

-- Ron




From: Frank Baker <fsbaker77 at att.net>
To:Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Mon, April 4, 2011 5:31:42 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
OK, I have ordered new belts from Marrs Communication.  It’s a CR-7, it should 
have the best.
 
The pinch rollers spin freely when not in contact with the capstans and appear 
to be parallel to them when in contact.
 
Ron, there are 4 leads coming off the circuit board at the back of the DD motor 
– black, purple, orange and green
 
With the power on and the tape stopped, Black to Orange is 11.45 V.  Black to 
purple is 12.35 V.  

 
Also, please pardon my ignorance, but is what you call the motor PCB what the 
service manual calls the logic PCB?  I couldn’t find IC M51721L either in the 
service manual or on the logic PCB itself, but I may have been looking in the 
wrong place.  A little additional guidance would be appreciated.
 
I also purchased a Tektronix scope off of eBay.  It should arrive sometime early 
next week.  

 
Thanks for all your help.
 
Frank
 
 
 
From:Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 9:24 AM
To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
 

The following is not conclusive... 

I would first (because its the easiest) check the pinch 
rollers (should rotate freely and be clean and parallel 
to capstans) and their arms (should make good, even 
contact with the capstans). 

If the above is OK, I would check the capstan motor
electronics. Start with measurement of the 12V right 
at the PCB. Should be 12VDC ± 5%. 

If OK: a failed driver IC will cause the symptom you 
are experiencing, as will an open coil. To check, turn 
power off and measure resistance between pins 9 and 
10 (then repeat for pins 11 and 12) of IC M51721L 
on the motor PCB. If the results are equal in both 
measurements, the coils are likely good. 

Then, turn the deck on and hang a 'scope across each 
of these output pin pairs. Wait for slowdown. If 
waveforms and levels are equal, the IC is likely good.

Lacking a multimeter and/or 'scope, you can't really 
diagnose this, but you can fall back on the time 
honored ruse of blindly replacing the IC in the hope 
it is the culprit (about 50% chance). However, be 
aware that replacing this IC does require basic 
knowledge of electronics servicing (e.g. make 
absolutely sure the insulator is correctly in place 
and smear a thin layer of heat sink compound on 
both sides).

Good luck,

-- Ron
 

________________________________

From:Frank Baker <fsbaker77 at att.net>
To: Ron <ronami at yahoo.com>
Sent: Sat, April 2, 2011 10:45:14 AM
Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
Hi Ron,
 
It slows to a crawl and eventually stops.
 
Frank
 
From:Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 8:28 AM
To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
 

If you let it play, does it slow to a crawl and eventually 
stop, or does it continue at a reduced speed? Can you 
hear increased wow?

Does it happen with all cassettes? 

-- Ron

________________________________

From:Frank Baker <fsbaker77 at att.net>
To: naktalk at naks.com
Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 4:12:23 PM
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
Hi All,
 
I have a CR-7A which starts to slow down after 2 or 3 minutes of playback.  If I 
stop and restart it works OK for about a minute then slows down again.  I just 
replaced both belts, but that didn’t help at all.  I just rejoined the list 
after about 2 years off, so if this has been recently discussed or handled, I 
apologize.  Any ideas would be appreciated.  

 
Frank
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From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net  Tue Apr  5 23:07:06 2011
From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 23:07:06 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000ZXL parts
In-Reply-To: <466995.9522.qm@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <000601cbf305$1045d870$30d18950$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net>
	<466995.9522.qm@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003101cbf3d5$6bb6d940$43248bc0$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net>

Hi Bala,

 

I've been searching on the web and ended with this site:

http://www.jst-belgium.be/productSeries.php?pid=203

 

But i have no idea where to order.

 

Regards Norman

 

Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens Bala
Ganesh Chandra
Verzonden: dinsdag 5 april 2011 1:47
Aan: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Onderwerp: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000ZXL parts

 

Hi Norman, 

This is a older Molex type connector. They have newer replacements that can
be bough -look out for the same pin pitch and spacing.  

Cheers!
Bala 

 

 

  _____  

From: Norman van Wijnen <n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tue, April 5, 2011 6:15:38 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000ZXL parts

Hi all,

 

I have a little problem with the Nakamichi RAMM Board on my 1000ZXL. The
connector CN29 has a broken contact. 

So I have to replace the connector I think and I wonder if there are spare
parts on Naktalk for this deck.  Maybe a spare RAMM board or a spare
connector ? The manual give us a part number F12P-SHVQ.

 

Thx

 

Norman

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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Wed Apr  6 00:15:52 2011
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 15:15:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
In-Reply-To: <426231.29128.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <006501cbf3a5$b99e64f0$2cdb2ed0$@net>
	<426231.29128.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <909784.5435.qm@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

The Tek TDS 420A has a special place in my heart - real solid unit. I still hope 
to get one to replace my current scope. 


Bala 





________________________________
From: Scott Johnson <p9019 at yahoo.com>
To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wed, April 6, 2011 6:59:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem


I like Tektronix scopes.  Recently sold my TDS320 and 2220 scopes, but, still 
have my TDS644A, 7704A, 7313, a couple 305's and a couple SC502's
 
On your 2232 try this easter egg.
1. turn the scope on 
2. push the "ADV FUNKT" button once 
3. push the "SAVE REF. 3" two times 
5. move the "CURSOR" 
6. now you have reached the so called "secret menu" here you can see a wizzard 
on a scateboard or the "TECTRONIX" logo or you can clear all memories.

Found on this site. http://www.eeggs.com/items/11778.html





________________________________
 From: Frank Baker <fsbaker77 at att.net>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tue, April 5, 2011 8:25:39 AM
Subject: FW: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem

 
Thanks for the clarifications, but as I posted in an earlier message,
Lubricating the capstans seems to have fixed the problem.
 
I picked up a Tektronix 2232 which has just been calibrated.
 
Frank
 
From:Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 11:11 AM
To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
 

> Ron, there are 4 leads coming off the circuit board at the back of the DD motor 
>– black, purple, orange and green
> With the power on and the tape stopped, Black to Orange is 11.45 V.  Black to 
>purple is 12.35 V.  
>

Orange to Black is what you want to measure. Should be 11.7V
(nominally), so 11.4 is acceptable. However, do measure again,
with a cassette running, before and after slow down. Normally, 
it should be slightly lower and stable. If it goes lower and lower 
as speed drops, it would indicate the problem is in that circuit.

> ... is what you call the motor PCB what the service manual calls the logic 
PCB?

No. What I call motor PCB is the small PCB attached to the 
capstan motor. Layout is not shown in the service manual, 
because Nakamichi viewed the whole  motor as a single 
replaceable component, but I believe you can find photos and 
parts identification on the Naks.com wiki page, in a file for the
Sankyo transport. Schematic is shown in the service manual, 
Fig 8.2.3, under the logic PCB schematic, in a block marked 
'Motor PCB'.

> I also purchased a Tektronix scope off of eBay.

Congrats. Just curious: what model did you get?

Keep up posted,

-- Ron




From: Frank Baker <fsbaker77 at att.net>
To:Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Mon, April 4, 2011 5:31:42 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
OK, I have ordered new belts from Marrs Communication.  It’s a CR-7, it should 
have the best.
 
The pinch rollers spin freely when not in contact with the capstans and appear 
to be parallel to them when in contact.
 
Ron, there are 4 leads coming off the circuit board at the back of the DD motor 
– black, purple, orange and green
 
With the power on and the tape stopped, Black to Orange is 11.45 V.  Black to 
purple is 12.35 V.  

 
Also, please pardon my ignorance, but is what you call the motor PCB what the 
service manual calls the logic PCB?  I couldn’t find IC M51721L either in the 
service manual or on the logic PCB itself, but I may have been looking in the 
wrong place.  A little additional guidance would be appreciated.
 
I also purchased a Tektronix scope off of eBay.  It should arrive sometime early 
next week.  

 
Thanks for all your help.
 
Frank
 
 
 
From:Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 9:24 AM
To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
 

The following is not conclusive... 

I would first (because its the easiest) check the pinch 
rollers (should rotate freely and be clean and parallel 
to capstans) and their arms (should make good, even 
contact with the capstans). 

If the above is OK, I would check the capstan motor
electronics. Start with measurement of the 12V right 
at the PCB. Should be 12VDC ± 5%. 

If OK: a failed driver IC will cause the symptom you 
are experiencing, as will an open coil. To check, turn 
power off and measure resistance between pins 9 and 
10 (then repeat for pins 11 and 12) of IC M51721L 
on the motor PCB. If the results are equal in both 
measurements, the coils are likely good. 

Then, turn the deck on and hang a 'scope across each 
of these output pin pairs. Wait for slowdown. If 
waveforms and levels are equal, the IC is likely  good.

Lacking a multimeter and/or 'scope, you can't really 
diagnose this, but you can fall back on the time 
honored ruse of blindly replacing the IC in the hope 
it is the culprit (about 50% chance). However, be 
aware that replacing this IC does require basic 
knowledge of electronics servicing (e.g. make 
absolutely sure the insulator is correctly in place 
and smear a thin layer of heat sink compound on 
both sides).

Good luck,

-- Ron
 

________________________________
 
From:Frank Baker <fsbaker77 at att.net>
To: Ron <ronami at yahoo.com>
Sent: Sat, April 2, 2011 10:45:14 AM
Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
Hi Ron,
 
It slows to a crawl and eventually stops.
 
Frank
 
From:Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 8:28 AM
To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
 

If you let it play, does it slow to a crawl and eventually 
stop, or does it continue at a reduced speed? Can you 
hear increased wow?

Does it happen with all cassettes? 

-- Ron

________________________________
 
From:Frank Baker <fsbaker77 at att.net>
To: naktalk at naks.com
Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 4:12:23 PM
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
Hi All,
 
I have a CR-7A which starts to slow down after 2 or 3 minutes of playback.  If I 
stop and restart it works OK for about a minute then slows down again.  I just 
replaced both belts, but that didn’t help at all.  I just rejoined the list 
after about 2 years off, so if this has been recently discussed or handled, I 
apologize.  Any ideas would be appreciated.  

 
Frank
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From p9019 at yahoo.com  Wed Apr  6 01:34:46 2011
From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 16:34:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
In-Reply-To: <909784.5435.qm@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <006501cbf3a5$b99e64f0$2cdb2ed0$@net>
	<426231.29128.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<909784.5435.qm@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <381790.82810.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

>The Tek TDS 420A has a special place in my heart - real solid unit.
Really.  (Let me just preface this by saying that I'm a real BIG test equipment 
snob.)
I always thought the TDS4xx series sucked.  I used one at PairGain back when it 
was current.
The TDS420A has a 4-channel with 200MHz bandwidth, but, the sample rate is only 
100 Megasamples/sec (on all channels simultaneously) at 100ns/div it only 
captures 10 samples/div.  Anything faster and it has to use ET or Effective Time 
which works on repeating waveforms, but, for fast glitch it's worthless, which 
is what I tried to use it for.

The TDS320 is a 2-channel, 100MHz bandwidth, but, despite having a lower series 
model number it has a sample rate 5 times faster. Sample rate is 500 
Megasample/sec (on all channels simultaneously) that means it can go up to 
20ns/div and show 10 samples/div.  A real advantage for capturing a fast glitch.

I need faster so that TDS320 had to go since I have a TDS644A and love it.  4 
channel, 500MHz, color LCD shutter display, 2 Gigasample per second on all 
channels simultaneously.  The TDS5xx series is almost identical to the TDS6xx 
series except for one BIG difference, the TDS5xx series does not do simultaneous 
capture on all channels.  For example it (depending on the model) can do 
2GSa/sec on 1 channel, but, on 2 channels it's only captures at 1GSa/sec on each 
channel and when you go 3 or 4 channels it drops to 500MSa/sec.  TDS6xx are all 
full speed regardless of the number of channels.

These days the big TDS644A is just too difficult to take anywhere.  I have a 
Rigol 1052E for that.  I could go into all the ways the 1052E sucks, but, for 
the price, size, weight, portability I grin and bear it.




________________________________
From: Bala Ganesh Chandra <bg3009 at yahoo.com>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tue, April 5, 2011 3:15:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem


The Tek TDS 420A has a special place in my heart - real solid unit. I still hope 
to get one to replace my current scope. 


Bala 





________________________________
From: Scott Johnson <p9019 at yahoo.com>
To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wed, April 6, 2011 6:59:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem


I like Tektronix scopes.  Recently sold my TDS320 and 2220 scopes, but, still 
have my TDS644A, 7704A, 7313, a couple 305's and a couple SC502's

On your 2232 try this easter egg.
1. turn the scope on 
2. push the "ADV FUNKT" button once 
3. push the "SAVE REF. 3" two times 
5. move the "CURSOR" 
6. now you have reached the so called "secret menu" here you can see a wizzard 
on a scateboard or the "TECTRONIX" logo or you can clear all memories.

Found on this site. http://www.eeggs.com/items/11778.html





________________________________
From: Frank Baker <fsbaker77 at att.net>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tue, April 5, 2011 8:25:39 AM
Subject: FW: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem


Thanks for the clarifications, but as I posted in an earlier message,
Lubricating the capstans seems to have fixed the problem.
 
I picked up a Tektronix 2232 which has just been calibrated.
 
Frank
 
From:Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 11:11 AM
To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
 

> Ron, there are 4 leads coming off the circuit board at the back of the DD motor 
>– black, purple, orange and green
> With the power on and the tape stopped, Black to Orange is 11.45 V.  Black to 
>purple is 12.35 V.  
>

Orange to Black is what you want to measure. Should be 11.7V
(nominally), so 11.4 is acceptable. However, do measure again,
with a cassette running, before and after slow down. Normally, 
it should be slightly lower and stable. If it goes lower and lower 
as speed drops, it would indicate the problem is in that circuit.

> ... is what you call the motor PCB what the service manual calls the logic 
PCB?

No. What I call motor PCB is the small PCB attached to the 
capstan motor. Layout is not shown in the service manual, 
because Nakamichi viewed the whole motor as a single 
replaceable component, but I believe you can find photos and 
parts identification on the Naks.com wiki page, in a file for the
Sankyo transport. Schematic is shown in the service manual, 
Fig 8.2.3, under the logic PCB schematic, in a block marked 
'Motor PCB'.

> I also purchased a Tektronix scope off of eBay.

Congrats. Just curious: what model did you get?

Keep up posted,

-- Ron




From: Frank Baker <fsbaker77 at att.net>
To:Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Mon, April 4, 2011 5:31:42 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
OK, I have ordered new belts from Marrs Communication.  It’s a CR-7, it should 
have the best.
 
The pinch rollers spin freely when not in contact with the capstans and appear 
to be parallel to them when in contact.
 
Ron, there are 4 leads coming off the circuit board at the back of the DD motor 
– black, purple, orange and green
 
With the power on and the tape stopped, Black to Orange is 11.45 V.  Black to 
purple is 12.35 V.  

 
Also, please pardon my ignorance, but is what you call the motor PCB what the 
service manual calls the logic PCB?  I couldn’t find IC M51721L either in the 
service manual or on the logic PCB itself, but I may have been looking in the 
wrong place.  A little additional guidance would be appreciated.
 
I also purchased a Tektronix scope off of eBay.  It should arrive sometime early 
next week.  

 
Thanks for all your help.
 
Frank
 
 
 
From:Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 9:24 AM
To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
 

The following is not conclusive... 

I would first (because its the easiest) check the pinch 
rollers (should rotate freely and be clean and parallel 
to capstans) and their arms (should make good, even 
contact with the capstans). 

If the above is OK, I would check the capstan motor
electronics. Start with measurement of the 12V right 
at the PCB. Should be 12VDC ± 5%. 

If OK: a failed driver IC will cause the symptom you 
are experiencing, as will an open coil. To check, turn 
power off and measure resistance between pins 9 and 
10 (then repeat for pins 11 and 12) of IC M51721L 
on the motor PCB. If the results are equal in both 
measurements, the coils are likely good. 

Then, turn the deck on and hang a 'scope across each 
of these output pin pairs. Wait for slowdown. If 
waveforms and levels are equal, the IC is likely good.

Lacking a multimeter and/or 'scope, you can't really 
diagnose this, but you can fall back on the time 
honored ruse of blindly replacing the IC in the hope 
it is the culprit (about 50% chance). However, be 
aware that replacing this IC does require basic 
knowledge of electronics servicing (e.g. make 
absolutely sure the insulator is correctly in place 
and smear a thin layer of heat sink compound on 
both sides).

Good luck,

-- Ron
 

________________________________

From:Frank Baker <fsbaker77 at att.net>
To: Ron <ronami at yahoo.com>
Sent: Sat, April 2, 2011 10:45:14 AM
Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
Hi Ron,
 
It slows to a crawl and eventually stops.
 
Frank
 
From:Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 8:28 AM
To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
 

If you let it play, does it slow to a crawl and eventually 
stop, or does it continue at a reduced speed? Can you 
hear increased wow?

Does it happen with all cassettes? 

-- Ron

________________________________

From:Frank Baker <fsbaker77 at att.net>
To: naktalk at naks.com
Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 4:12:23 PM
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
Hi All,
 
I have a CR-7A which starts to slow down after 2 or 3 minutes of playback.  If I 
stop and restart it works OK for about a minute then slows down again.  I just 
replaced both belts, but that didn’t help at all.  I just rejoined the list 
after about 2 years off, so if this has been recently discussed or handled, I 
apologize.  Any ideas would be appreciated.  

 
Frank
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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Wed Apr  6 05:14:33 2011
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 20:14:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
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Hi Scott, 

From where you are from and for what you do, I can understand. The TDS 420A was 
my best friend when I worked in my previous life in R and D for SMPS. That was 
what I was given, and for the low frequency hard-switching topologies we were 
asked to design, that seemed pretty adequate. When the LeCroy people come around 
to demo their latest (about 7 years ago) 'scope, we just drooled thinking how 
much the design envelope could have been pushed with newer instruments. 


I seriously doubt I am going to need 2 g-samples/sec on all channels (although 
its really re-assuring to know that you have that power on the bench when you 
need it). But if one comes my way, am I going to say no? 


Bala 




________________________________
From: Scott Johnson <p9019 at yahoo.com>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wed, April 6, 2011 9:34:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem


>The Tek TDS 420A has a special place in my heart - real solid unit.
Really.  (Let me just preface this by saying that I'm a real BIG test equipment 
snob.)
I always thought the TDS4xx series sucked.  I used one at PairGain back when it 
was current.
The TDS420A has a 4-channel with 200MHz bandwidth, but, the sample rate is only 
100 Megasamples/sec (on all channels simultaneously) at 100ns/div it only 
captures 10 samples/div.  Anything faster and it has to use ET or Effective Time 
which works on repeating waveforms, but, for fast glitch it's worthless, which 
is what I tried to use it for.
 
The TDS320 is a 2-channel, 100MHz bandwidth, but, despite having a lower series 
model number it has a sample rate 5 times faster. Sample rate is 500 
Megasample/sec (on all channels simultaneously) that means it can go up to 
20ns/div and show 10 samples/div.  A real advantage for capturing a fast glitch.
 
I need faster so that TDS320 had to go since I have a TDS644A and love it.  4 
channel, 500MHz, color LCD shutter display, 2 Gigasample per second on all 
channels simultaneously.  The TDS5xx series is almost identical to the TDS6xx 
series except for one BIG difference, the TDS5xx series does not do simultaneous 
capture on all channels.  For example it (depending on the model) can do 
2GSa/sec on 1 channel, but, on 2 channels it's only captures at 1GSa/sec on each 
channel and when you go 3 or 4 channels it drops to 500MSa/sec.  TDS6xx are all 
full speed regardless of the number of channels.
 
These days the big TDS644A is just too difficult to take anywhere.  I have a 
Rigol 1052E for that.  I could go into all the ways the 1052E sucks, but, for 
the price, size, weight, portability I grin and bear it.




________________________________
 From: Bala Ganesh Chandra <bg3009 at yahoo.com>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tue, April 5, 2011 3:15:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem


The Tek TDS 420A has a special place in my heart - real solid unit. I still hope 
to get one to replace my current scope. 


Bala 





________________________________
 From: Scott Johnson <p9019 at yahoo.com>
To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wed, April 6, 2011 6:59:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem


I like Tektronix scopes.  Recently sold my TDS320 and 2220 scopes, but, still 
have my TDS644A, 7704A, 7313, a couple 305's and a couple SC502's
 
On your 2232 try this easter egg.
1. turn the scope on 
2. push the "ADV FUNKT" button once 
3. push the "SAVE REF. 3" two times 
5. move the "CURSOR" 
6. now you have reached the so called "secret menu" here you can see a wizzard 
on a scateboard or the "TECTRONIX" logo or you can clear all memories.

Found on this site. http://www.eeggs.com/items/11778.html





________________________________
 From: Frank Baker <fsbaker77 at att.net>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tue, April 5, 2011 8:25:39 AM
Subject: FW: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem

 
Thanks for the clarifications, but as I posted in an earlier message,
Lubricating the capstans seems to have fixed the problem.
 
I picked up a Tektronix 2232 which has just been calibrated.
 
Frank
 
From:Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 11:11 AM
To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
 

> Ron, there are 4 leads coming off the circuit board at the back of the DD motor 
>– black, purple, orange and green
> With the power on and the tape stopped, Black to Orange is 11.45 V.  Black to 
>purple is 12.35 V.  
>

Orange to Black is what you want to measure. Should be 11.7V
(nominally), so 11.4 is acceptable. However, do measure again,
with a cassette running, before and after slow down. Normally, 
it should be slightly lower and stable. If it goes lower and lower 
as speed drops, it would indicate the problem is in that circuit.

> ... is what you call the motor PCB what the service manual calls the logic 
PCB?

No. What I call motor PCB is the small PCB attached to the 
capstan motor. Layout is not shown in the service manual, 
because  Nakamichi viewed the whole motor as a single 
replaceable component, but I believe you can find photos and 
parts identification on the Naks.com wiki page, in a file for the
Sankyo transport. Schematic is shown in the service manual, 
Fig 8.2.3, under the logic PCB schematic, in a block marked 
'Motor PCB'.

> I also purchased a Tektronix scope off of eBay.

Congrats. Just curious: what model did you get?

Keep up posted,

-- Ron




From: Frank Baker <fsbaker77 at att.net>
To:Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Mon, April 4, 2011 5:31:42 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
OK, I have ordered new belts from Marrs Communication.  It’s a CR-7, it should 
have the best.
 
The pinch rollers spin freely when not in contact with the capstans and appear 
to be parallel to them when in contact.
 
Ron, there are 4 leads coming off the circuit board at the back of the DD motor 
– black, purple, orange and green
 
With the power on and the tape stopped, Black to Orange is 11.45 V.  Black to 
purple is 12.35 V.  

 
Also, please pardon my ignorance, but is what you call the motor PCB what the 
service manual calls the logic PCB?  I couldn’t find IC M51721L either in the 
service manual or on the logic PCB itself, but I may have been looking in the 
wrong place.  A little additional guidance would be appreciated.
 
I also purchased a Tektronix scope off of eBay.  It should arrive sometime early 
next week.  

 
Thanks for all your help.
 
Frank
 
 
 
From:Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 9:24 AM
To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
 

The following is not conclusive... 

I would first (because its the easiest) check the pinch 
rollers (should rotate freely and be clean and parallel 
to capstans) and their arms (should make good, even 
contact with the capstans). 

If the above is OK, I would check the capstan motor
electronics. Start with measurement of the 12V right 
at the PCB. Should be 12VDC ± 5%. 

If OK: a failed driver IC will cause the symptom you 
are experiencing, as will an open coil. To check, turn 
power off and measure resistance between pins 9 and 
10 (then repeat for pins 11 and 12) of IC M51721L 
on the motor PCB. If the results are equal in both 
measurements, the coils are likely good. 

Then, turn the deck on and hang a 'scope across each 
of these output pin pairs. Wait for slowdown. If 
waveforms and levels are equal, the IC is likely  good.

Lacking a multimeter and/or 'scope, you can't really 
diagnose this, but you can fall back on the time 
honored ruse of blindly replacing the IC in the hope 
it is the culprit (about 50% chance). However, be 
aware that replacing this IC does require basic 
knowledge of electronics servicing (e.g. make 
absolutely sure the insulator is correctly in place 
and smear a thin layer of heat sink compound on 
both sides).

Good luck,

-- Ron
 

________________________________
 
From:Frank Baker <fsbaker77 at att.net>
To: Ron <ronami at yahoo.com>
Sent: Sat, April 2, 2011 10:45:14 AM
Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
Hi Ron,
 
It slows to a crawl and eventually stops.
 
Frank
 
From:Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 8:28 AM
To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
 

If you let it play, does it slow to a crawl and eventually 
stop, or does it continue at a reduced speed? Can you 
hear increased wow?

Does it happen with all cassettes? 

-- Ron

________________________________
 
From:Frank Baker <fsbaker77 at att.net>
To: naktalk at naks.com
Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 4:12:23 PM
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
Hi All,
 
I have a CR-7A which starts to slow down after 2 or 3 minutes of playback.  If I 
stop and restart it works OK for about a minute then slows down again.  I just 
replaced both belts, but that didn’t help at all.  I just rejoined the list 
after about 2 years off, so if this has been recently discussed or handled, I 
apologize.  Any ideas would be appreciated.  

 
Frank
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From avss01 at gmail.com  Tue Apr  5 22:40:13 2011
From: avss01 at gmail.com (avss01)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 06:40:13 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] 4-5-11 UPDATE, Nakamichi Factory Belt Kits
In-Reply-To: <4D9B40E1.8020102@marrscom.com>
References: <4D9B40E1.8020102@marrscom.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTimtoUT+bNouXcWW2X3NwFoptX+wvQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the update Fred.  That does sound encouraging!  Your
contribution to this hobby of ours is much appreciated.

David

On Wednesday, April 6, 2011, Fred Marrs <fred at marrscom.com> wrote:
> *4-5-11 UPDATE
>
> Just want to give everyone an Update on my Nakamichi, Akai and Aiwa Factory Belt Supply from Japan
>
> I place a Stock Order last Thursday 3-30. I received Confirmation today by email.
>
> I still have not had contact by Phone. No further information. Fred M. *
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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From josephjean at verizon.net  Wed Apr  6 05:43:04 2011
From: josephjean at verizon.net (goodguy)
Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2011 23:43:04 -0400
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
In-Reply-To: <722851.672.qm@web30202.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <006501cbf3a5$b99e64f0$2cdb2ed0$@net>
	<426231.29128.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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I have used Nicolets, Textronics, RCAs (yuk) and 
LeCroy scopes.  Four channel Nicolets were the 
bomb until I used a LeCroy.  Except for the amber 
trace of the LeCroy, it was a most suitable scope.

At 11:14 PM 4/5/2011, you wrote:
>Hi Scott,
>
> From where you are from and for what you do, I 
> can understand. The TDS 420A was my best friend 
> when I worked in my previous life in R and D 
> for SMPS. That was what I was given, and for 
> the low frequency hard-switching topologies we 
> were asked to design, that seemed pretty 
> adequate. When the LeCroy people come around to 
> demo their latest (about 7 years ago) 'scope, 
> we just drooled thinking how much the design 
> envelope could have been pushed with newer instruments.
>
>I seriously doubt I am going to need 2 
>g-samples/sec on all channels (although its 
>really re-assuring to know that you have that 
>power on the bench when you need it). But if one 
>comes my way, am I going to say no?
>
>Bala
>
>
>From: Scott Johnson <p9019 at yahoo.com>
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>Sent: Wed, April 6, 2011 9:34:46 AM
>Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
>
> >The Tek TDS 420A has a special place in my heart - real solid unit.
>Really.  (Let me just preface this by saying 
>that I'm a real BIG test equipment snob.)
>I always thought the TDS4xx series sucked.  I 
>used one at PairGain back when it was current.
>The TDS420A has a 4-channel with 200MHz 
>bandwidth, but, the sample rate is only 100 
>Megasamples/sec (on all channels simultaneously) 
>at 100ns/div it only captures 10 
>samples/div.  Anything faster and it has to use 
>ET or Effective Time which works on repeating 
>waveforms, but, for fast glitch it's worthless, 
>which is what I tried to use it for.
>
>The TDS320 is a 2-channel, 100MHz bandwidth, 
>but, despite having a lower series model number 
>it has a sample rate 5 times faster. Sample rate 
>is 500 Megasample/sec (on all channels 
>simultaneously) that means it can go up to 
>20ns/div and show 10 samples/div.  A real 
>advantage for capturing a fast glitch.
>
>I need faster so that TDS320 had to go since I 
>have a TDS644A and love it.  4 channel, 500MHz, 
>color LCD shutter display, 2 Gigasample per 
>second on all channels simultaneously.  The 
>TDS5xx series is almost identical to the TDS6xx 
>series except for one BIG difference, the TDS5xx 
>series does not do simultaneous capture on all 
>channels.  For example it (depending on the 
>model) can do 2GSa/sec on 1 channel, but, on 2 
>channels it's only captures at 1GSa/sec on each 
>channel and when you go 3 or 4 channels it drops 
>to 500MSa/sec.  TDS6xx are all full speed regardless of the number of channels.
>
>These days the big TDS644A is just too difficult 
>to take anywhere.  I have a Rigol 1052E for 
>that.  I could go into all the ways the 1052E 
>sucks, but, for the price, size, weight, portability I grin and bear it.
>
>
>From: Bala Ganesh Chandra <bg3009 at yahoo.com>
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>Sent: Tue, April 5, 2011 3:15:52 PM
>Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
>
>The Tek TDS 420A has a special place in my heart 
>- real solid unit. I still hope to get one to replace my current scope.
>
>Bala
>
>
>
>From: Scott Johnson <p9019 at yahoo.com>
>To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi 
>Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>Sent: Wed, April 6, 2011 6:59:57 AM
>Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
>
>I like Tektronix scopes.  Recently sold my 
>TDS320 and 2220 scopes, but, still have my 
>TDS644A, 7704A, 7313, a couple 305's and a couple SC502's
>
>On your 2232 try this easter egg.
>1. turn the scope on
>2. push the "ADV FUNKT" button once
>3. push the "SAVE REF. 3" two times
>5. move the "CURSOR"
>6. now you have reached the so called "secret 
>menu" here you can see a wizzard on a scateboard 
>or the "TECTRONIX" logo or you can clear all memories.
>Found on this site. 
><http://www.eeggs.com/items/11778.html>http://www.eeggs.com/items/11778.html
>
>
>
>From: Frank Baker <fsbaker77 at att.net>
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>Sent: Tue, April 5, 2011 8:25:39 AM
>Subject: FW: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
>
>Thanks for the clarifications, but as I posted in an earlier message,
>
>Lubricating the capstans seems to have fixed the problem.
>
>
>
>I picked up a Tektronix 2232 which has just been calibrated.
>
>
>
>Frank
>
>
>
>From: Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 11:11 AM
>To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
>
>
>
>
> > Ron, there are 4 leads coming off the circuit 
> board at the back of the DD motor – black, purple, orange and green
> > With the power on and the tape stopped, Black 
> to Orange is 11.45 V.  Black to purple is 12.35 V.
>
>Orange to Black is what you want to measure. Should be 11.7V
>(nominally), so 11.4 is acceptable. However, do measure again,
>with a cassette running, before and after slow down. Normally,
>it should be slightly lower and stable. If it goes lower and lower
>as speed drops, it would indicate the problem is in that circuit.
>
> > ... is what you call the motor PCB what the 
> service manual calls the logic PCB?
>
>No. What I call motor PCB is the small PCB attached to the
>capstan motor. Layout is not shown in the service manual,
>because Nakamichi viewed the whole motor as a single
>replaceable component, but I believe you can find photos and
>parts identification on the 
><http://naks.com/>Naks.com wiki page, in a file for the
>Sankyo transport. Schematic is shown in the service manual,
>Fig 8.2.3, under the logic PCB schematic, in a block marked
>'Motor PCB'.
>
> > I also purchased a Tektronix scope off of eBay.
>
>Congrats. Just curious: what model did you get?
>
>Keep up posted,
>
>-- Ron
>
>
>
>
>From: Frank Baker <fsbaker77 at att.net>
>
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>Sent: Mon, April 4, 2011 5:31:42 PM
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
>
>OK, I have ordered new belts from Marrs 
>Communication.  It’s a CR-7, it should have the best.
>
>
>
>The pinch rollers spin freely when not in 
>contact with the capstans and appear to be parallel to them when in contact.
>
>
>
>Ron, there are 4 leads coming off the circuit 
>board at the back of the DD motor – black, purple, orange and green
>
>
>
>With the power on and the tape stopped, Black to 
>Orange is 11.45 V.  Black to purple is 12.35 V.
>
>
>
>Also, please pardon my ignorance, but is what 
>you call the motor PCB what the service manual 
>calls the logic PCB?  I couldn’t find IC 
>M51721L either in the service manual or on the 
>logic PCB itself, but I may have been looking in 
>the wrong place.  A little additional guidance would be appreciated.
>
>
>
>I also purchased a Tektronix scope off of 
>eBay.  It should arrive sometime early next week.
>
>
>
>Thanks for all your help.
>
>
>
>Frank
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>From: Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com]
>Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 9:24 AM
>To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com
>Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
>
>
>
>
>The following is not conclusive...
>
>I would first (because its the easiest) check the pinch
>rollers (should rotate freely and be clean and parallel
>to capstans) and their arms (should make good, even
>contact with the capstans).
>
>If the above is OK, I would check the capstan motor
>electronics. Start with measurement of the 12V right
>at the PCB. Should be 12VDC ± 5%.
>
>If OK: a failed driver IC will cause the symptom you
>are experiencing, as will an open coil. To check, turn
>power off and measure resistance between pins 9 and
>10 (then repeat for pins 11 and 12) of IC M51721L
>on the motor PCB. If the results are equal in both
>measurements, the coils are likely good.
>
>Then, turn the deck on and hang a 'scope across each
>of these output pin pairs. Wait for slowdown. If
>waveforms and levels are equal, the IC is likely good.
>
>Lacking a multimeter and/or 'scope, you can't really
>diagnose this, but you can fall back on the time
>honored ruse of blindly replacing the IC in the hope
>it is the culprit (about 50% chance). However, be
>aware that replacing this IC does require basic
>knowledge of electronics servicing (e.g. make
>absolutely sure the insulator is correctly in place
>and smear a thin layer of heat sink compound on
>both sides).
>
>Good luck,
>
>-- Ron
>
>
>
>From: Frank Baker <fsbaker77 at att.net>
>To: Ron <ronami at yahoo.com>
>Sent: Sat, April 2, 2011 10:45:14 AM
>Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
>
>Hi Ron,
>
>
>
>It slows to a crawl and eventually stops.
>
>
>
>Frank
>
>
>
>From: Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com]
>Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 8:28 AM
>To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
>
>
>
>
>If you let it play, does it slow to a crawl and eventually
>stop, or does it continue at a reduced speed? Can you
>hear increased wow?
>
>Does it happen with all cassettes?
>
>-- Ron
>
>From: Frank Baker <fsbaker77 at att.net>
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 4:12:23 PM
>Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A problem
>
>Hi All,
>
>
>
>I have a CR-7A which starts to slow down after 2 
>or 3 minutes of playback.  If I stop and restart 
>it works OK for about a minute then slows down 
>again.  I just replaced both belts, but that 
>didn’t help at all.  I just rejoined the list 
>after about 2 years off, so if this has been 
>recently discussed or handled, I apologize.  Any ideas would be appreciated.
>
>
>
>Frank
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From hockeyeast at yahoo.com  Wed Apr  6 23:55:14 2011
From: hockeyeast at yahoo.com (Rich)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 17:55:14 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Zx-7
Message-ID: <8F9C8F10-4C1B-4EB6-B204-4CFDF2A3EA25@yahoo.com>

I think I'll try and find a zx-7. Cr-7a just to hard to find and the prices are unreal. Also, I can't believe the # of dragons out there for sale. Seems the prices of those have leveled off a bit. A few go for big bucks and all of a sudden there are a flood on the market. 

Sent from my iPhone


From perry.nak at comcast.net  Thu Apr  7 04:11:30 2011
From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 02:11:30 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 VS CR-7A
In-Reply-To: <1190346545.788721.1302141698074.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
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"While I disagree with much of what you say, I note that 
you didn't allude to the most important (to me) aspect of 
the comparison: how do they sound. 

-- Ron" 


Now, Ron, why would you ask that? They sound great of course! And please take this for the fun, constructive, discussion 

inducing post I mean it to be. Not saracstic, or inciting, at all.  Do you mean how do I think they sound?  Ahhh, well, I for one 

don't think the CR-7 is CD like, sort of an insult to the CR-7, dontcha think? The CR-7 (based on my minty high serial number 

unit on playback only) is very clean sounding, and I can agree with the others that have said, it's almost clinical, which is another 

way of saying very accurate, perhaps?  Not far from saying the ZX-7/9 is colored in sound, or more analog, too?  

I have no doubt in a double blind sound test, ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL, I could pick  out a ZX-7 from a CR-7 every time, 

 but I don't know if I could a ZX-9 or RX-505 from a ZX-7, or a BX-300 from a CR-5/7.  

  

We come down to the oft discussed "classic" Nakamichi sound vs the "later" Nakamichi sound. It's there, and bandied about, 

with no one stating that one is better than the other because either way, you've mildly insulted a large portion of our Nak 

community, eh? And really, there is no definitive "better", right?  Strictly personal preference? I enjoy the classic sound slightly 

more. On a strictly technical merit, it's a tossup.  

  

The CRs  (and BX-300) have a flatter FR over a wider range of levels, compared to the classics, which while almost as flat 

 at -20dB, tend to have personalities at greater levels. It is shocking to me how a mere dB or 2 waver at certain frequencies 

 changes the timbre of a playback.  It takes an A-B comparison to notice it (for me), but it's there. Look at a 20kHz playback 

waveform on the scope, of a CR-7 and a ZX-7, and there is no doubt there is less variation of the waveform on the CR. 

 I've compared a couple of decks of each type and it has been pretty consistent. And let's face it, capacitor wise, the Nichicons 

in the power supply and lack of orange cap disease is a big plus for the CR-7 over the ZX-7, I admit, but I considered that a minor, 

age related, typical to vintage gear, do it once and forget about it, kind of fix. 

On the classic sides, they are often physically quieter in a room, and as I said , I prefer full manual calibration and my other 

  reasons as well, which apparantly you disagree with much of. 



Can I ask for specifics? Can't be the reel and position motors, as 10 years of archives, easily bears me out, long before I even 

became a Nak head. How many cam and reel motor issues have we seen on classic decks vs the Sankyos?  

The take up bearing whine? Not often discussed, but I know of many deck owners with BX-300s and CR-5s and 7s 

that admit it is there, to varying degrees, and my own 4 BX-300s and CR-7 have/had it, though audible at a foot or two, 

none are objectionable, honestly in the least during normal operation. And like all those well serviced Sankyo DDs, after 

you power them down, those capstans just keep on spinning so it's not a friction or wear issue. What about the switches 

 that detect tape type or the ones on the position motor cams? Plenty of examples of oscillating head blocks, chewed tapes 

or confused electronics on those Sanky decks throughout the archives. Again, I LOVE Nakamichis, and 

 do NOT think the later decks are inferior or junk, by any stretch. But facts is facts. How about all the DTC and DTA 

digital transistors in the CR-7? Not easy street finding them, compared to any I've needed onthe classics.  

(and I'm sure there are exceptions to both). I'll admit that while to ME, the classic transport decks are easier to work on, 

if I were to compare a Dragon to a CR-7, and say the Dragon was easier, I'd have to be on heavy drugs, as it's just not true, 

  but in general, I'll work on most any issue on a 680zx, ZX-7, RX-505, over issues on a Cassette Deck One, CR-7, or BX-300. 

And on a very strictly "not that it probably matters to most" kind of thing, when operating a classic deck it just , well, 

operates like a classic.  The Sankyo decks have that same, thin mechanical operating sound that is just not as 

enticing to me.  Petty, I know, but real. 



So I ask you, do YOU think the CR-7 is worth twice or 3 times the cost of a ZX-7, based on sound? Or features? 



Discussions have been dull here lately, and I have a typical thick Italian skin, so let me know, "full of it'? or "you've got some points"? 

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From perry.nak at comcast.net  Thu Apr  7 04:42:25 2011
From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 02:42:25 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [naktalk] For Russ, re: ZX-7
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Hey, thanks for the sympathies, I'm still beating my head against the wall over that. Talk about your real hard learned lesson. I haven't had a cold sweat literally erupt through my body like that when I realized that my tapes were being erased in play mode in many years. Horrible feeling! 

Honestly, though, I DO feel Nak put more in to the classic decks than the Sankyo decks, and held that opinion long before the CR-7 stabbe dme in the back. I know it had to be me somehow, not the deck!  But, those flimsy idler tires and reel motors are just one example of Sankyo vs classic. 

I have to say though, that while I too prefer the look, maintanance features, and heftiness of the the classic pinch rollers, 

in reality, I really haven't noticed any performance advantage over the Sankyo ones. Nak used great rubber, compared to almost every other deck I've worked on. Revox used pure crap in comparison, on decks costing much much more. Yamahas with Sankyo transports, didn't use real great rubber either, but better than Revox. The pressure roller axle supported at both ends is inherently a more stable design, so while less maintenance friendly than the "C" clipped one sided supported classic rollers, they are damn good. And the newer caps area plus, but the increased specialized ICs are not, IMHO.   

I'm also not crazy about the smaller diameter capstans on the Sankyos, vs the nice hefty larger diameters on the classics. All that gains you is more torque for a weaker motor at the busness end of the tape, and increased chance of a bent capstan . Sounds like cost cutting to me! 
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From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com  Thu Apr  7 14:32:17 2011
From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 05:32:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 VS CR-7A
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Perry,

I am on your side of the argument hands down. I do not believe you left much out.

Sound preference is always been a subjective issue and there is no point discussing that. To each his/her own.

However, though I prefer the ZX7/9 decks, I would not get rid of the Cr7!

Ram.

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From: perry.nak at comcast.net <perry.nak at comcast.net>
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 VS CR-7A
To: naktalk at naks.com
Date: Wednesday, April 6, 2011, 10:11 PM

#yiv1503137842 p {margin:0;}"While I disagree with much of what you say, I note that 
you didn't allude to the most important (to me) aspect of
the comparison: how do they sound.

-- Ron"

Now, Ron, why would you ask that? They sound great of course! And please take this for the fun, constructive, discussion 
inducing post I mean it to be. Not saracstic, or inciting, at all. Do you mean how do I think they sound?  Ahhh, well, I for one
don't think the CR-7 is CD like, sort of an insult to the CR-7, dontcha think? The CR-7 (based on my minty high serial number 
unit on playback only) is very clean sounding, and I can agree with the others that have said, it's almost clinical, which is another 
way of saying very accurate, perhaps?  Not far from saying the ZX-7/9 is colored in sound, or more analog, too?  
I have no doubt in a double blind sound test, ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL, I could pick  out a ZX-7 from a CR-7 every time,
 but I don't know if I could a ZX-9 or RX-505 from a ZX-7, or a BX-300 from a CR-5/7. 
 
We come down to the oft discussed "classic" Nakamichi sound vs the "later" Nakamichi sound. It's there, and bandied about, 
with no one stating that one is better than the other because either way, you've mildly insulted a large portion of our Nak
community, eh? And really, there is no definitive "better", right?  Strictly personal preference? I enjoy the classic sound slightly 
more. On a strictly technical merit, it's a tossup. 
 
The CRs  (and BX-300) have a flatter FR over a wider range of levels, compared to the classics, which while almost as flat
 at -20dB, tend to have personalities at greater levels. It is shocking to me how a mere dB or 2 waver at certain frequencies
 changes the timbre of a playback.  It takes an A-B comparison to notice it (for me), but it's there. Look at a 20kHz playback
waveform on the scope, of a CR-7 and a ZX-7, and there is no doubt there is less variation of the waveform on the CR.
 I've compared a couple of decks of each type and it has been pretty consistent. And let's face it, capacitor wise, the Nichicons
in the power supply and lack of orange cap disease is a big plus for the CR-7 over the ZX-7, I admit, but I considered that a minor, 
age related, typical to vintage gear, do it once and forget about it, kind of fix.
On the classic sides, they are often physically quieter in a room, and as I said , I prefer full manual calibration and my other
 reasons as well, which apparantly you disagree with much of. 
 
Can I ask for specifics? Can't be the reel and position motors, as 10 years of archives, easily bears me out, long before I even 
became a Nak head. How many cam and reel motor issues have we seen on classic decks vs the Sankyos?  
The take up bearing whine? Not often discussed, but I know of many deck owners with BX-300s and CR-5s and 7s 
that admit it is there, to varying degrees, and my own 4 BX-300s and CR-7 have/had it, though audible at a foot or two, 
none are objectionable, honestly in the least during normal operation. And like all those well serviced Sankyo DDs, after 
you power them down, those capstans just keep on spinning so it's not a friction or wear issue. What about the switches
 that detect tape type or the ones on the position motor cams? Plenty of examples of oscillating head blocks, chewed tapes 
or confused electronics on those Sanky decks throughout the archives. Again, I LOVE Nakamichis, and
 do NOT think the later decks are inferior or junk, by any stretch. But facts is facts. How about all the DTC and DTA 
digital transistors in the CR-7? Not easy street finding them, compared to any I've needed onthe classics.  
(and I'm sure there are exceptions to both). I'll admit that while to ME, the classic transport decks are easier to work on, 
if I were to compare a Dragon to a CR-7, and say the Dragon was easier, I'd have to be on heavy drugs, as it's just not true,
 but in general, I'll work on most any issue on a 680zx, ZX-7, RX-505, over issues on a Cassette Deck One, CR-7, or BX-300. 
And on a very strictly "not that it probably matters to most" kind of thing, when operating a classic deck it just , well, 
operates like a classic.  The Sankyo decks have that same, thin mechanical operating sound that is just not as
enticing to me.  Petty, I know, but real. 
 
So I ask you, do YOU think the CR-7 is worth twice or 3 times the cost of a ZX-7, based on sound? Or features? 
 
Discussions have been dull here lately, and I have a typical thick Italian skin, so let me know, "full of it'? or "you've got some points"?


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From David.Moore at team.telstra.com  Thu Apr  7 06:46:21 2011
From: David.Moore at team.telstra.com (Moore, David L)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 14:46:21 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 VS CR-7A
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For what it’s worth

I owned both a CR-7 and ZX-9, and both from new back in the 80‘s
 After I purchased the CR-7 I did some detailing on the ZX-9 electronics – namely upgraded signal path op-amps and many caps.
The end result was that it was transformed into a CR-7 killer. For that reason I sold the CR-7 a few years later. Yes it may have been possible to upgrade the CR-7 to a higher level of performance but that ZX-9 was a beast to be reckoned with. A friend of mine who is blind and an avid audiophile and could hear (back then) to 27kHz also conducted a ‘blind’ A-B test between the decks and nominated the ZX-9 every time. He stated to me that it was the best cassette deck he had ever heard, period, and that included every other high end Nak ever made as well as TOTL of every other brand.

The moral here. If you own a ZX-9, upgrade it,  look after it, don’t sell it.



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From wotbob01 at yahoo.com  Thu Apr  7 16:40:56 2011
From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 07:40:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 VS CR-7A
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I can only compare a CR-5 to a ZX-7.  I was told by a tech that the electronics on a CR-5 are very similar to a CR-7.  Can anyone comment further? 
I happen to like my ZX-7 better than my CR-5.  If my only deck was the CR-5 I would be happy but the ZX-7 is fantastic!  The CR-5 was serviced by Andy Pena a couple years ago and the ZX-7 was serviced by Willy last fall so both are working up to their potential.
Bob N

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From: shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 VS CR-7A
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Thursday, April 7, 2011, 5:32 AM

Perry,

I am on your side of the argument hands down. I do not believe you left much out.

Sound preference is always been a subjective issue and there is no point discussing that. To each his/her own.

However, though I prefer the ZX7/9 decks, I would not get rid of the Cr7!

Ram.

--- On Wed, 4/6/11, perry.nak at comcast.net <perry.nak at comcast.net> wrote:

From: perry.nak at comcast.net <perry.nak at comcast.net>
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 VS CR-7A
To: naktalk at naks.com
Date: Wednesday, April 6, 2011, 10:11 PM

#yiv1318816109  p {margin:0;}"While I disagree with much of what you say,
 I note that 
you didn't allude to the most important (to me) aspect of
the comparison: how do they sound.

-- Ron"

Now, Ron, why would you ask that? They sound great of course! And please take this for the fun, constructive, discussion 
inducing post I mean it to be. Not saracstic, or inciting, at all. Do you mean how do I think they sound?  Ahhh, well, I for one
don't think the CR-7 is CD like, sort of an insult to the CR-7, dontcha think? The CR-7 (based on my minty high serial number 
unit on playback only) is very clean sounding, and I can agree with the others that have said, it's almost clinical, which is another 
way of saying very accurate, perhaps?  Not far from saying the ZX-7/9 is colored in sound, or more analog, too?  
I have no doubt in a double blind sound test, ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL, I could pick  out a ZX-7 from a CR-7 every time,
 but I don't know if I could a ZX-9 or RX-505 from a ZX-7, or a BX-300 from a CR-5/7. 
 
We come down to the oft discussed "classic" Nakamichi sound vs the "later" Nakamichi sound. It's there, and bandied about, 
with no one stating that one is better than the other because either way, you've mildly insulted a large portion of our Nak
community, eh? And really, there is no definitive "better", right?  Strictly personal preference? I enjoy the classic sound slightly 
more. On a strictly technical merit, it's a tossup. 
 
The CRs  (and BX-300) have a flatter FR over a wider range of levels, compared to the classics, which while almost as flat
 at -20dB, tend to have personalities at greater levels. It is shocking to me how a mere dB or 2 waver at certain frequencies
 changes the timbre of a playback.  It takes an A-B comparison to notice it (for me), but it's there. Look at a 20kHz playback
waveform on the scope, of a CR-7 and a ZX-7, and there is no doubt there is less variation of the waveform on the CR.
 I've compared a couple of decks of each type and it has been pretty consistent. And let's face it, capacitor wise, the Nichicons
in the power supply and lack of orange cap disease is a big plus for the CR-7 over the ZX-7, I admit, but I considered that a minor, 
age related, typical to vintage gear, do it once and forget about it, kind of fix.
On the classic sides, they are often physically quieter in a room, and as I said , I prefer full manual calibration and my other
 reasons as well, which apparantly you disagree with much of. 
 
Can I ask for specifics? Can't be the reel and position motors, as 10 years of archives, easily bears me out, long before I even 
became a Nak head. How many cam and reel motor issues have we seen on classic decks vs the Sankyos?  
The take up bearing whine? Not often discussed, but I know of many deck owners with BX-300s and CR-5s and 7s 
that admit it is there, to varying degrees, and my own 4 BX-300s and CR-7 have/had it, though audible at a foot or two, 
none are objectionable, honestly in the least during normal operation. And like all those well serviced Sankyo DDs, after 
you power them down, those capstans just keep on spinning so it's not a friction or wear issue. What about the switches
 that detect tape type or the ones on the position motor cams? Plenty of examples of oscillating head blocks, chewed tapes 
or confused electronics on those Sanky decks throughout the archives. Again, I LOVE Nakamichis, and
 do NOT think the later decks are inferior or junk, by any stretch. But facts is facts. How about all the DTC and DTA 
digital transistors in the CR-7? Not easy street finding them, compared to any I've needed onthe classics.  
(and I'm sure there are exceptions to both). I'll admit that while to ME, the classic transport decks are easier to work on, 
if I were to compare a Dragon to a CR-7, and say the Dragon was easier, I'd have to be on heavy drugs, as it's just not true,
 but in general, I'll work on most any issue on a 680zx, ZX-7, RX-505, over issues on a Cassette Deck One, CR-7, or BX-300. 
And on a very strictly "not that it probably matters to most" kind of thing, when operating a classic deck it just , well, 
operates like a classic.  The Sankyo decks have that same, thin mechanical operating sound that is just not as
enticing to me.  Petty, I know, but real. 
 
So I ask you, do YOU think the CR-7 is worth twice or 3 times the cost of a ZX-7, based on sound? Or features? 
 
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From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com  Thu Apr  7 18:04:39 2011
From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 09:04:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 VS CR-7A
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For all its worth ZX 7 is as good as ZX 9 period - Zx 7 is highly under rated Deck 
CR 7A is the most user friendly Nak - nothing can come near its ease of use despite its sankyo transport
The reason Zx 9 is liked by many people is due entirely to its play back amp and Dolby chip rather than any specific technical reason. It s Mid range playback - where our ears are most sensitive - is possibly the reason. 
 
And CR 7A and Dragon can compete with anything else and sometimes amaze you  if Capacitors ( Electrolytics) are replaced including signal area bypassed with polyustrene (Multicap) caps
 
another amazing  play back giant is 700ZXE 
 
Kannan 

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Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-7 VS CR-7A
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Thursday, April 7, 2011, 12:46 AM








 
For what it’s worth 
 
I owned both a CR-7 and ZX-9, and both from new back in the 80‘s
 After I purchased the CR-7 I did some detailing on the ZX-9 electronics – namely upgraded signal path op-amps and many caps. 
The end result was that it was transformed into a CR-7 killer. For that reason I sold the CR-7 a few years later. Yes it may have been possible to upgrade the CR-7 to a higher level of performance but that ZX-9 was a beast to be reckoned with. A friend of mine who is blind and an avid audiophile and could hear (back then) to 27kHz also conducted a ‘blind’ A-B test between the decks and nominated the ZX-9 every time. He stated to me that it was the best cassette deck he had ever heard, period, and that included every other high end Nak ever made as well as TOTL of every other brand.  
 
The moral here. If you own a ZX-9, upgrade it,  look after it, don’t sell it.   
  
 
 
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From ronami at yahoo.com  Thu Apr  7 18:29:00 2011
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 09:29:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 VS CR-7A
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Let me start with a story, seemingly unrelated. It's about the 
boy that goes to his mother and asks where he came from. 
The mother, very excited, calls her husband at work and tells 
him the boy has asked the question. When the husband 
comes home from work, he takes the boy aside and gives 
him the whole birds and bees spiel. When done, he notices 
that the boy seems a little dazed. 

"Do you have any questions", he asks. 

"No," says the boy "I only asked because the new boy in 
school comes from New Jersey".

So, Perry, I only asked because, in all posts in this thread, 
the question 'how does it sound' never came up. I certainly 
didn't mean to imply one is better than the other, this is 
very subjective and not subject to discussion. I just 
mentioned that it's (or should be) a key consideration for 
the OP. 

As to the claim of lower reliability of the Sankyo transport...
I've worked on both transports, and tend to agree that the 
classic is probably more robust, depending on age and
where it's been. However, personally, I prefer to work on 
the Sankyo. Maybe, due to accessibility; maybe, because I 
worked on many more of them; maybe, because I've never 
seen even half the the faults you assign to the Sankyo. 
Maybe... if you've ever replaced an idler on a 582, you 
may know why (and I do like the 582 design). 

But, bottom line: if I had to choose a cassette deck now, 
the transport would be my last consideration (it was). 
Whether I like the sound of the deck (and the BX-300 
isn't even close to the CR-7) would be my first (it was).

Peace,

-- Ron






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--- On Wed, 4/6/11, perry.nak at comcast.net <perry.nak at comcast.net> wrote:


>From: perry.nak at comcast.net <perry.nak at comcast.net>
>Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 VS CR-7A
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Date: Wednesday, April 6, 2011, 10:11 PM
>
>
>"While I disagree with much of what you say,  I note that 
>you didn't allude to the most important (to me) aspect of
>the comparison: how do they sound.
>
>-- Ron"
>
>Now, Ron, why would you ask that? They sound great of course! And please take 
>this for the fun, constructive, discussion 
>
>inducing post I mean it to be. Not saracstic, or inciting, at all. Do you mean 
>how do I think they sound?  Ahhh, well, I for one
>don't think the CR-7 is CD like, sort of an insult to the CR-7, dontcha think? 
>The CR-7 (based on my minty high serial number 
>
>unit on playback only) is very clean sounding, and I can agree with the others 
>that have said, it's almost clinical, which is another 
>
>way of saying very accurate, perhaps?  Not far from saying the ZX-7/9 is colored 
>in sound, or more analog, too?  
>
>I have no doubt in a double blind sound test, ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL, I could 
>pick  out a ZX-7 from a CR-7 every time,
> but I don't know if I could a ZX-9 or RX-505 from a ZX-7, or a BX-300 from a 
>CR-5/7. 
> 
>We come down to the oft discussed "classic" Nakamichi sound vs the "later" 
>Nakamichi sound. It's there, and bandied about, 
>
>with no one stating that one is better than the other because either way, you've 
>mildly insulted a large portion of our Nak
>community, eh? And really, there is no definitive "better", right?  Strictly 
>personal preference? I enjoy the classic sound slightly 
>
>more. On a strictly technical merit, it's a tossup. 
> 
>The CRs  (and BX-300) have a flatter FR over a wider range of levels, compared 
>to the classics, which while almost as flat
> at -20dB, tend to have personalities at greater levels. It is shocking to me 
>how a mere dB or 2 waver at certain frequencies
> changes the timbre of a playback.  It takes an A-B comparison to notice it (for 
>me), but it's there. Look at a 20kHz playback
>waveform on the scope, of a CR-7 and a ZX-7, and there is no doubt there is less 
>variation of the waveform on the CR.
> I've compared a couple of decks of each type and it has been pretty consistent. 
>And let's face it, capacitor wise, the Nichicons
>in the power supply and lack of orange cap disease is a big plus for the CR-7 
>over the ZX-7, I admit, but I considered that a minor, 
>
>age related, typical to vintage gear, do it once and forget about it, kind of 
>fix.
>On the classic sides, they are often physically quieter in a room, and as I said 
>, I prefer full manual calibration and my other
> reasons as well, which apparantly you disagree with much of. 
> 
>Can I ask for specifics? Can't be the reel and position motors, as 10 years of 
>archives, easily bears me out, long before I even 
>
>became a Nak head. How many cam and reel motor issues have we seen on classic 
>decks vs the Sankyos?  
>
>The take up bearing whine? Not often discussed, but I know of many deck owners 
>with BX-300s and CR-5s and 7s 
>
>that admit it is there, to varying degrees, and my own 4 BX-300s and CR-7 
>have/had it, though audible at a foot or two, 
>
>none are objectionable, honestly in the least during normal operation. And like 
>all those well serviced Sankyo DDs, after 
>
>you power them down, those capstans just keep on spinning so it's not a friction 
>or wear issue. What about the switches
> that detect tape type or the ones on the position motor cams? Plenty of 
>examples of oscillating head blocks, chewed tapes 
>
>or confused electronics on those Sanky decks throughout the archives. Again, I 
>LOVE Nakamichis, and
> do NOT think the later decks are inferior or junk, by any stretch. But facts is 
>facts. How about all the DTC and DTA 
>
>digital transistors in the CR-7? Not easy street finding them, compared to any 
>I've needed onthe classics.  
>
>(and I'm sure there are exceptions to both). I'll admit that while to ME, the 
>classic transport decks are easier to work on, 
>
>if I were to compare a Dragon to a CR-7, and say the Dragon was easier, I'd have 
>to be on heavy drugs, as it's just not true,
> but in general, I'll work on most any issue on a 680zx, ZX-7, RX-505, over 
>issues on a Cassette Deck One, CR-7, or BX-300. 
>
>And on a very strictly "not that it probably matters to most" kind of thing, 
>when operating a classic deck it just , well, 
>
>operates like a classic.  The Sankyo decks have that same, thin mechanical 
>operating sound that is just not as
>enticing to me.  Petty, I know, but real. 
> 
>So I ask you, do YOU think the CR-7 is worth twice or 3 times the cost of a 
>ZX-7, based on sound? Or features? 
>
> 
>Discussions have been dull here lately, and I have a typical thick Italian skin, 
>so let me know, "full of it'? or "you've got some points"?
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From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com  Thu Apr  7 19:27:52 2011
From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 10:27:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 VS CR-7A
In-Reply-To: <770127.11449.qm@web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <356123.20572.qm@web33301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

ZX 7 is a wonderful Deck - as good as any ZX 9 
 
Once you have a nice Capstan belt from Maars - it should be playing wonderfully
 
There is no difference between ZX 9  and ZX 7 except the DD motor 
 
If you replace the Old electrolytics in Playback record electronics with decent Low ESR Panasonic/ Nichicon or Elna, you will be surpized how the sound quality improves
 
having said that , I found CR 5 playback can be as good as a CR 7A -
 
The difference between CR 5A and Zx 7 Sound - is due to play back electronics and Dolby chips in playback record amps.
 
the tonal quality cannot be bridged - so somebody might like one deck over the other
and it is natural 
Kannan
 
 
 
 

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From: Bob Naylor <wotbob01 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 VS CR-7A
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Thursday, April 7, 2011, 10:40 AM






I can only compare a CR-5 to a ZX-7.  I was told by a tech that the electronics on a CR-5 are very similar to a CR-7.  Can anyone comment further? 
I happen to like my ZX-7 better than my CR-5.  If my only deck was the CR-5 I would be happy but the ZX-7 is fantastic!  The CR-5 was serviced by Andy Pena a couple years ago and the ZX-7 was serviced by Willy last fall so both are working up to their potential.
Bob N

--- On Thu, 4/7/11, shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 VS CR-7A
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Thursday, April 7, 2011, 5:32 AM






Perry,

I am on your side of the argument hands down. I do not believe you left much out.

Sound preference is always been a subjective issue and there is no point discussing that. To each his/her own.

However, though I prefer the ZX7/9 decks, I would not get rid of the Cr7!

Ram.

--- On Wed, 4/6/11, perry.nak at comcast.net <perry.nak at comcast.net> wrote:


From: perry.nak at comcast.net <perry.nak at comcast.net>
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 VS CR-7A
To: naktalk at naks.com
Date: Wednesday, April 6, 2011, 10:11 PM



#yiv1576857746   p {margin:0;}


"While I disagree with much of what you say, I note that 
you didn't allude to the most important (to me) aspect of
the comparison: how do they sound.

-- Ron"

Now, Ron, why would you ask that? They sound great of course! And please take this for the fun, constructive, discussion 
inducing post I mean it to be. Not saracstic, or inciting, at all. Do you mean how do I think they sound?  Ahhh, well, I for one
don't think the CR-7 is CD like, sort of an insult to the CR-7, dontcha think? The CR-7 (based on my minty high serial number 
unit on playback only) is very clean sounding, and I can agree with the others that have said, it's almost clinical, which is another 
way of saying very accurate, perhaps?  Not far from saying the ZX-7/9 is colored in sound, or more analog, too?  
I have no doubt in a double blind sound test, ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL, I could pick  out a ZX-7 from a CR-7 every time,
 but I don't know if I could a ZX-9 or RX-505 from a ZX-7, or a BX-300 from a CR-5/7. 
 
We come down to the oft discussed "classic" Nakamichi sound vs the "later" Nakamichi sound. It's there, and bandied about, 
with no one stating that one is better than the other because either way, you've mildly insulted a large portion of our Nak
community, eh? And really, there is no definitive "better", right?  Strictly personal preference? I enjoy the classic sound slightly 
more. On a strictly technical merit, it's a tossup. 
 
The CRs  (and BX-300) have a flatter FR over a wider range of levels, compared to the classics, which while almost as flat
 at -20dB, tend to have personalities at greater levels. It is shocking to me how a mere dB or 2 waver at certain frequencies
 changes the timbre of a playback.  It takes an A-B comparison to notice it (for me), but it's there. Look at a 20kHz playback
waveform on the scope, of a CR-7 and a ZX-7, and there is no doubt there is less variation of the waveform on the CR.
 I've compared a couple of decks of each type and it has been pretty consistent. And let's face it, capacitor wise, the Nichicons
in the power supply and lack of orange cap disease is a big plus for the CR-7 over the ZX-7, I admit, but I considered that a minor, 
age related, typical to vintage gear, do it once and forget about it, kind of fix.
On the classic sides, they are often physically quieter in a room, and as I said , I prefer full manual calibration and my other
 reasons as well, which apparantly you disagree with much of. 
 
Can I ask for specifics? Can't be the reel and position motors, as 10 years of archives, easily bears me out, long before I even 
became a Nak head. How many cam and reel motor issues have we seen on classic decks vs the Sankyos?  
The take up bearing whine? Not often discussed, but I know of many deck owners with BX-300s and CR-5s and 7s 
that admit it is there, to varying degrees, and my own 4 BX-300s and CR-7 have/had it, though audible at a foot or two, 
none are objectionable, honestly in the least during normal operation. And like all those well serviced Sankyo DDs, after 
you power them down, those capstans just keep on spinning so it's not a friction or wear issue. What about the switches
 that detect tape type or the ones on the position motor cams? Plenty of examples of oscillating head blocks, chewed tapes 
or confused electronics on those Sanky decks throughout the archives. Again, I LOVE Nakamichis, and
 do NOT think the later decks are inferior or junk, by any stretch. But facts is facts. How about all the DTC and DTA 
digital transistors in the CR-7? Not easy street finding them, compared to any I've needed onthe classics.  
(and I'm sure there are exceptions to both). I'll admit that while to ME, the classic transport decks are easier to work on, 
if I were to compare a Dragon to a CR-7, and say the Dragon was easier, I'd have to be on heavy drugs, as it's just not true,
 but in general, I'll work on most any issue on a 680zx, ZX-7, RX-505, over issues on a Cassette Deck One, CR-7, or BX-300. 
And on a very strictly "not that it probably matters to most" kind of thing, when operating a classic deck it just , well, 
operates like a classic.  The Sankyo decks have that same, thin mechanical operating sound that is just not as
enticing to me.  Petty, I know, but real. 
 
So I ask you, do YOU think the CR-7 is worth twice or 3 times the cost of a ZX-7, based on sound? Or features? 
 
Discussions have been dull here lately, and I have a typical thick Italian skin, so let me know, "full of it'? or "you've got some points"?


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From luis at peromarta.org  Thu Apr  7 21:54:44 2011
From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 21:54:44 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 VS CR-7A
In-Reply-To: <388079.62183.qm@web33307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <388079.62183.qm@web33307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <770E43AC-B77C-4B2D-B072-4F46B32A1FA9@peromarta.org>

Amazing.

El 07/04/2011, a las 18:04, kannan srinivasaraghavan escribió:

> A friend of mine who is blind and an avid audiophile and could hear (back then) to 27kHz

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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Fri Apr  8 03:11:06 2011
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 18:11:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 VS CR-7A
In-Reply-To: <770E43AC-B77C-4B2D-B072-4F46B32A1FA9@peromarta.org>
References: <388079.62183.qm@web33307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <796171.66940.qm@web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

That may be plausible (stress as Adam Savage would do here, the word plausible). 
But it has been said people who have a disability in one area, sometimes have 
heightened levels of their other senses. 


Bala





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Sent: Fri, April 8, 2011 5:54:44 AM
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Amazing.


El 07/04/2011, a las 18:04, kannan srinivasaraghavan escribió:

A friend of mine who is blind and an avid audiophile and could hear (back then) 
to 27kHz
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From chartz at club-internet.fr  Thu Apr  7 18:17:09 2011
From: chartz at club-internet.fr (Jacques Frantz)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 18:17:09 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 VS CR-7A
In-Reply-To: <6A809DE3D3D91C4DA371BE6FC0954CE74A24605E0A@WSMSG3101V.srv.dir.telstra.com>
References: <1190346545.788721.1302141698074.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
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Hi everyone,

Being a pauper I bought a mintish CR-4 for €140. After a close look at the mechanics and electronics, I found out it is not far at all from the CR-7!
I find it sonically adept, comparable to my Beocord 9000 and above anything I had before them.
How would it then compare to a CR-7?

Cheers,

Jacques

Le 7 avr. 2011 à 06:46, "Moore, David L" <David.Moore at team.telstra.com> a écrit :

>  
> 
> For what it’s worth
> 
>  
> 
> I owned both a CR-7 and ZX-9, and both from new back in the 80‘s
> 
>  After I purchased the CR-7 I did some detailing on the ZX-9 electronics – namely upgraded signal path op-amps and many caps.
> 
> The end result was that it was transformed into a CR-7 killer. For that reason I sold the CR-7 a few years later. Yes it may have been possible to upgrade the CR-7 to a higher level of performance but that ZX-9 was a beast to be reckoned with. A friend of mine who is blind and an avid audiophile and could hear (back then) to 27kHz also conducted a ‘blind’ A-B test between the decks and nominated the ZX-9 every time. He stated to me that it was the best cassette deck he had ever heard, period, and that included every other high end Nak ever made as well as TOTL of every other brand.  
> 
>  
> 
> The moral here. If you own a ZX-9, upgrade it,  look after it, don’t sell it.   
> 
>   
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Cheers
> 
> David
> 
>  
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From aswett1 at rochester.rr.com  Thu Apr  7 20:17:16 2011
From: aswett1 at rochester.rr.com (Al Swett)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 14:17:16 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Prioritizing my Nak Portfolio
Message-ID: <E4F0701340734592AD740569DA22C0D0@alsdesk4>

I have four machines...480, CR4A, and 2-680ZXs.  I'm trying to decide which one(s) to focus on, i.e. get fixed and keep maintained.  The 480 was a wedding present from a friend in the hi-fi business 30 years ago and, after many years of service (and maintenance), has been retired to its box in the attic.  I bought the CR4A new whenever it was originally sold and used it off and on until a few months ago when the take up motor (or other related mechanism) ceased taking up, causing it to stop after a few seconds.  The 2 680ZXs were my Dads and he he used them both heavily since he bought them in the early 80s, especially enjoying the half-speed feature.  Each was sent back to Nak (in the old days) one or more times for servicing.  They became mine when Dad passed away.  One works well except that when you first turn it on, it starts playing and won't stop until you push the "stop" button a few times.  The other seems mechanically fine but has a distortion issue on playback.  My inclination has been to go ahead and get the CR4A repaired and returned to service...it's the newest one, has the least wear, and has worked well for me.  From what I read on this forum, the 680s are great machines, but expensive to diagnose and repair and the continued functioning of the one that now works (mostly) may be questionable.  Don't know about the 480...seems like the others are superior, so more worth focusing on.  I'm curious what the perspective of this group is...fix one (or more)?  If so which (and how...I'm not as talented at repairing as many in this forum, so would probably need to send off for repair).  Or...scrap (sell) them all and track down something like the ZX-7 which has been the focus of so many notes in the past few days.  I'd like to continue to have the ability to record/play cassettes at a high level of quality...the rest of my system is old, but pretty good.  Thanks in advance for any suggestions.  
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From hockeyeast at yahoo.com  Fri Apr  8 12:36:29 2011
From: hockeyeast at yahoo.com (Rich)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 06:36:29 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Zx-9
Message-ID: <BE312709-2BC7-4D10-B559-61D44EC2451E@yahoo.com>

Picked up a zx-9 , 800 CAD . More to come. 

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From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com  Fri Apr  8 15:47:13 2011
From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 06:47:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 VS CR-7A
In-Reply-To: <AAA1F75C-68BE-419B-BFFF-13643EFACAE3@club-internet.fr>
Message-ID: <669348.90483.qm@web112717.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hi Jacques,

The CR7 has the unique advantage of having playback head azimuth control that can do a world of difference on tapes recorded in improperly/incorrectly record head oriented machines. the difference has to be heard to be believed.

The second feature of the CR7 is the auto calibration that adjusts playback head azimuth, record bias and record levels with the help of a microprocessor.. This leads to flawless  recordings.The Cr 4 might not record as well on all tapes you have!

Ram.

--- On Thu, 4/7/11, Jacques Frantz <chartz at club-internet.fr> wrote:

From: Jacques Frantz <chartz at club-internet.fr>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 VS CR-7A
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Thursday, April 7, 2011, 12:17 PM

Hi everyone,
Being a pauper I bought a mintish CR-4 for €140. After a close look at the mechanics and electronics, I found out it is not far at all from the CR-7!I find it sonically adept, comparable to my Beocord 9000 and above anything I had before them.How would it then compare to a CR-7?
Cheers,
Jacques

Le 7 avr. 2011 à 06:46, "Moore, David L" <David.Moore at team.telstra.com> a écrit :





   

For what it’s worth  

   

I owned both a CR-7 and ZX-9, and both from new back in the 80‘s 

 After I purchased the CR-7 I did some detailing on the ZX-9
electronics – namely upgraded signal path op-amps and many caps.  

The end result was that it was transformed into a CR-7 killer.
For that reason I sold the CR-7 a few years later. Yes it may have been
possible to upgrade the CR-7 to a higher level of performance but that ZX-9 was
a beast to be reckoned with. A friend of mine who is blind and an avid
audiophile and could hear (back then) to 27kHz also conducted a ‘blind’ A-B test
between the decks and nominated the ZX-9 every time. He stated to me that it
was the best cassette deck he had ever heard, period, and that included every other
high end Nak ever made as well as TOTL of every other brand.   

   

The moral here. If you own a ZX-9, upgrade it,  look after it, don’t
sell it.    

   

   

   

Cheers 

David 

   






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From hockeyeast at yahoo.com  Fri Apr  8 16:23:54 2011
From: hockeyeast at yahoo.com (rich)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 07:23:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Great Debate and Info.
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Too all who have posted on the comparison of the various decks....Thanks!!
 
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From fsbaker77 at att.net  Fri Apr  8 18:57:51 2011
From: fsbaker77 at att.net (Frank Baker)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 12:57:51 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Door opening lever for a 680
Message-ID: <009a01cbf60e$1a418e30$4ec4aa90$@net>

I am looking to replace the door opening lever on my 680.  If anyone has one

they'd be willing to part with at a reasonable price, please let me know

 

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From willy at willyhermannservices.com  Sat Apr  9 01:42:22 2011
From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 15:42:22 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Gauges
Message-ID: <BANLkTikqCos-7ccndwTZOhX4YVp+-JMZiA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all -

I have just bought a set of gauges from a shop which has quit working on
Nakamichi decks.  The idea I have is to rent/loan these the gauges to those
on the forum who are working on their own decks as they need them.  I'm not
sure how interested anyone would be with me doing this or what the pitfalls
of doing it would be (other than lots of admin time for me - good thing I'm
retired ;-) )  I have attached the list of the gauges I just obtained.  All
look to be in perfect shape and could easily and fairly inexpensively be
shipped back and forth.

Please give me your feedback.

Willy
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From hockeyeast at yahoo.com  Sat Apr  9 01:50:59 2011
From: hockeyeast at yahoo.com (Rich)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 19:50:59 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Tapes you use to record
Message-ID: <5EBA9E7D-91A9-4B9B-80A1-C5FD7C79519C@yahoo.com>


Maybe this has been covered before, so if it has I apologize. What tapes do you use to record with. Your favorites? Thanks...rich
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From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com  Sat Apr  9 03:00:46 2011
From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 18:00:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Gauges
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTikqCos-7ccndwTZOhX4YVp+-JMZiA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <824736.76169.qm@web33306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Nice job Willy, 
i recommend you take some security deposit while the gauge is loaned as you never know when it fails to get returned
It makes some out there who can easily realign their decks once in couple of years
I appreciate your gesture and this is a real gift to naktalk members
kannan

--- On Fri, 4/8/11, Willy Hermann <willy at willyhermannservices.com> wrote:


From: Willy Hermann <willy at willyhermannservices.com>
Subject: [naktalk] Gauges
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Friday, April 8, 2011, 7:42 PM


Hi all -


I have just bought a set of gauges from a shop which has quit working on Nakamichi decks.  The idea I have is to rent/loan these the gauges to those on the forum who are working on their own decks as they need them.  I'm not sure how interested anyone would be with me doing this or what the pitfalls of doing it would be (other than lots of admin time for me - good thing I'm retired ;-) )  I have attached the list of the gauges I just obtained.  All look to be in perfect shape and could easily and fairly inexpensively be shipped back and forth.


Please give me your feedback.


Willy
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From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com  Sat Apr  9 03:05:50 2011
From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (Ram)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 21:05:50 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Gauges
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTikqCos-7ccndwTZOhX4YVp+-JMZiA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTikqCos-7ccndwTZOhX4YVp+-JMZiA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6A75C922-4C62-48BC-AC95-7FC5B43E9ECC@yahoo.com>

I am kosher for this deal Willy......as  long ad you can support me for the adjustments! ;)

Ram.



On Apr 8, 2011, at 7:42 PM, Willy Hermann <willy at willyhermannservices.com> wrote:

> Hi all -
> 
> I have just bought a set of gauges from a shop which has quit working on Nakamichi decks.  The idea I have is to rent/loan these the gauges to those on the forum who are working on their own decks as they need them.  I'm not sure how interested anyone would be with me doing this or what the pitfalls of doing it would be (other than lots of admin time for me - good thing I'm retired ;-) )  I have attached the list of the gauges I just obtained.  All look to be in perfect shape and could easily and fairly inexpensively be shipped back and forth.
> 
> Please give me your feedback.
> 
> Willy
> <Gauge list.pdf>
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From lenaw at flash.net  Sat Apr  9 03:14:34 2011
From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 18:14:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Tapes you use to record
In-Reply-To: <5EBA9E7D-91A9-4B9B-80A1-C5FD7C79519C@yahoo.com>
References: <5EBA9E7D-91A9-4B9B-80A1-C5FD7C79519C@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <625913.95573.qm@web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Rich:
            For all my Nak decks I use mainly TDK tapes. For my non Nak decks I 
use Maxell and BASF. 



Good Listening,
Mike

 



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Sent: Fri, April 8, 2011 6:50:59 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Tapes you use to record


Maybe this has been covered before, so if it has I apologize. What tapes do you 
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From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com  Sat Apr  9 03:34:09 2011
From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 18:34:09 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Tapes you use to record
In-Reply-To: <5EBA9E7D-91A9-4B9B-80A1-C5FD7C79519C@yahoo.com>
References: <5EBA9E7D-91A9-4B9B-80A1-C5FD7C79519C@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTik6_LMWHj=Aygt076_4A=KK6KQMyQ@mail.gmail.com>

Maxell UDXL II, TDK SA and SAX, and Sony High-Bias.

Fred

Fred Longworth  MBA, CHMM
Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994
3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F
San Diego, CA 92116
(619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100
Fax: (619) 282-7872
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On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 4:50 PM, Rich <hockeyeast at yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> Maybe this has been covered before, so if it has I apologize. What tapes do
> you use to record with. Your favorites? Thanks...rich
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From mark8559 at hotmail.com  Sat Apr  9 03:51:15 2011
From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 19:51:15 -0600
Subject: FW: [naktalk] Tapes you use to record
In-Reply-To: <5EBA9E7D-91A9-4B9B-80A1-C5FD7C79519C@yahoo.com>
References: <5EBA9E7D-91A9-4B9B-80A1-C5FD7C79519C@yahoo.com>
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You can't go wrong with TDK SA or Maxell XLII.
They are available on Ebay and some listings have reasonable prices.
It's also a good idea to buy used TDK SA and Maxell XLII and then erase them 
with a bulk eraser before doing your recordings.
I also use Denon HD-8, HD-7, and HD-6 cassettes to record my treasured LP 
collection.
I've been recording cassettes since the 70's and my preference hasen't changed much. 
I use the TDK-SA on acoustic guitar and the Maxell XLII on heavy metal.
 
> From: hockeyeast at yahoo.com
> Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 19:50:59 -0400
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] Tapes you use to record
> 
> 
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From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com  Sat Apr  9 04:01:43 2011
From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (Ram)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 22:01:43 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Tapes you use to record
In-Reply-To: <5EBA9E7D-91A9-4B9B-80A1-C5FD7C79519C@yahoo.com>
References: <5EBA9E7D-91A9-4B9B-80A1-C5FD7C79519C@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <858D28FD-D568-4668-ACF9-3A4CE026D2BB@yahoo.com>

Now that's what I call a Pandora's box!

Ram



On Apr 8, 2011, at 7:50 PM, Rich <hockeyeast at yahoo.com> wrote:

> 
> Maybe this has been covered before, so if it has I apologize. What tapes do you use to record with. Your favorites? Thanks...rich
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From kaupp240 at hotmail.com  Sat Apr  9 06:10:46 2011
From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 18:10:46 -1000
Subject: [naktalk] Gauges
In-Reply-To: <6A75C922-4C62-48BC-AC95-7FC5B43E9ECC@yahoo.com>
References: <BANLkTikqCos-7ccndwTZOhX4YVp+-JMZiA@mail.gmail.com>
	<6A75C922-4C62-48BC-AC95-7FC5B43E9ECC@yahoo.com>
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Wow, even after talking me through the procedure for the cassette gauge...
:-)

What a great offer! Thanks Willy!

Aloha,
Cheryl

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Ram
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 3:06 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Gauges

I am kosher for this deal Willy......as  long ad you can support me for the
adjustments! ;)

Ram.



On Apr 8, 2011, at 7:42 PM, Willy Hermann <willy at willyhermannservices.com>
wrote:

> Hi all -
> 
> I have just bought a set of gauges from a shop which has quit working on
Nakamichi decks.  The idea I have is to rent/loan these the gauges to those
on the forum who are working on their own decks as they need them.  I'm not
sure how interested anyone would be with me doing this or what the pitfalls
of doing it would be (other than lots of admin time for me - good thing I'm
retired ;-) )  I have attached the list of the gauges I just obtained.  All
look to be in perfect shape and could easily and fairly inexpensively be
shipped back and forth.
> 
> Please give me your feedback.
> 
> Willy
> <Gauge list.pdf>
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From joyell.solie at sasktel.net  Sat Apr  9 02:51:14 2011
From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell)
Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2011 18:51:14 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Gauges
References: <BANLkTikqCos-7ccndwTZOhX4YVp+-JMZiA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001c01cbf650$3aa6fd30$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0>

Willy, count me in, I would gladly pay some sort of rent to have access to these gauges when needed. 

Cheers,
Rainer S.  
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Willy Hermann 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 5:42 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] Gauges


  Hi all -


  I have just bought a set of gauges from a shop which has quit working on Nakamichi decks.  The idea I have is to rent/loan these the gauges to those on the forum who are working on their own decks as they need them.  I'm not sure how interested anyone would be with me doing this or what the pitfalls of doing it would be (other than lots of admin time for me - good thing I'm retired ;-) )  I have attached the list of the gauges I just obtained.  All look to be in perfect shape and could easily and fairly inexpensively be shipped back and forth.


  Please give me your feedback.


  Willy





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From joyell.solie at sasktel.net  Sat Apr  9 02:56:45 2011
From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell)
Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2011 18:56:45 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 VS CR-7A
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David, did your mods/upgrades on the ZX-9 include anything that improved the recording , or just the playback?

Cheers,
Rainer S.
 
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  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 10:46 PM
  Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-7 VS CR-7A


   

  For what it’s worth 

   

  I owned both a CR-7 and ZX-9, and both from new back in the 80‘s

   After I purchased the CR-7 I did some detailing on the ZX-9 electronics – namely upgraded signal path op-amps and many caps. 

  The end result was that it was transformed into a CR-7 killer. For that reason I sold the CR-7 a few years later. Yes it may have been possible to upgrade the CR-7 to a higher level of performance but that ZX-9 was a beast to be reckoned with. A friend of mine who is blind and an avid audiophile and could hear (back then) to 27kHz also conducted a ‘blind’ A-B test between the decks and nominated the ZX-9 every time. He stated to me that it was the best cassette deck he had ever heard, period, and that included every other high end Nak ever made as well as TOTL of every other brand.  

   

  The moral here. If you own a ZX-9, upgrade it,  look after it, don’t sell it.   

    

   

   

  Cheers

  David

   






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From josephjean at verizon.net  Sat Apr  9 03:16:20 2011
From: josephjean at verizon.net (goodguy)
Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2011 21:16:20 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Tapes you use to record
In-Reply-To: <5EBA9E7D-91A9-4B9B-80A1-C5FD7C79519C@yahoo.com>
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I really like my TDK SA C90's.  I have a ton of TDK MA-XG's but have 
only used one.  I don't think I have a turntable and cartridge or 
records good enough to need more than the TDA SA's.


At 07:50 PM 4/8/2011, you wrote:

>Maybe this has been covered before, so if it has I apologize. What 
>tapes do you use to record with. Your favorites? Thanks...rich
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From joyell.solie at sasktel.net  Sat Apr  9 03:35:24 2011
From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell)
Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2011 19:35:24 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Tapes you use to record
References: <5EBA9E7D-91A9-4B9B-80A1-C5FD7C79519C@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000601cbf656$65ac1d70$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0>

The older TDK SA and my favorite is the older FUJI GT II for car. But I 
record mainly for playback in my vehicle

Cheers,
Rainer S.

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To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 5:50 PM
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From bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr  Sat Apr  9 09:17:42 2011
From: bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr (boitrel)
Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2011 09:17:42 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Gauges
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTikqCos-7ccndwTZOhX4YVp+-JMZiA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <4DA00816.1030004@univ-rennes1.fr>

Willy,

That's a real shame I am in Europe...

Best whishes
Bernard

Le 09/04/2011 01:42, Willy Hermann a écrit :
> Hi all -
>
> I have just bought a set of gauges from a shop which has quit working 
> on Nakamichi decks.  The idea I have is to rent/loan these the gauges 
> to those on the forum who are working on their own decks as they need 
> them.  I'm not sure how interested anyone would be with me doing this 
> or what the pitfalls of doing it would be (other than lots of admin 
> time for me - good thing I'm retired ;-) )  I have attached the list 
> of the gauges I just obtained.  All look to be in perfect shape and 
> could easily and fairly inexpensively be shipped back and forth.
>
> Please give me your feedback.
>
> Willy
>
>
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From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net  Sat Apr  9 11:10:06 2011
From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 11:10:06 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Gauges
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTikqCos-7ccndwTZOhX4YVp+-JMZiA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTikqCos-7ccndwTZOhX4YVp+-JMZiA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002401cbf695$eb022f20$c1068d60$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net>

Hi Willy,

 

What a great offer !!  If you are going to rent/loan the gauges worldwide
you  have to find a way to ship without paying tax. Recently i bought a few
gauges on ebay and with shipping these to the Netherlands i have to pay
almost 30 percent import tax. A considerable amount of money.

Maybe it is possible to ship as a gift or something like that?

 

Regards Norman

 

Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens Willy
Hermann
Verzonden: zaterdag 9 april 2011 1:42
Aan: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Onderwerp: [naktalk] Gauges

 

Hi all -

 

I have just bought a set of gauges from a shop which has quit working on
Nakamichi decks.  The idea I have is to rent/loan these the gauges to those
on the forum who are working on their own decks as they need them.  I'm not
sure how interested anyone would be with me doing this or what the pitfalls
of doing it would be (other than lots of admin time for me - good thing I'm
retired ;-) )  I have attached the list of the gauges I just obtained.  All
look to be in perfect shape and could easily and fairly inexpensively be
shipped back and forth.

 

Please give me your feedback.

 

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From willy at willyhermannservices.com  Sat Apr  9 18:30:26 2011
From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 08:30:26 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Gauges
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Thanks for the feedback.  Here's a proposal - let me know what you like and
don't about it.  I'll take a $100 deposit and send the gauges needed in a
Priority Mail flatrate box - it's fairly cheap and convenient.  Then when I
get the gauges back I'll refund the $100 less a $10 charge plus my postage
outbound.

Sorry to the international guys - I think US only is the only thing that
makes sense.  There are just too many problems with international shipping -
getting charged duty when you shouldn't as well as loss and theft.

Feedback?  How many of you would likely use the service?

Willy

On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 1:10 AM, Norman van Wijnen <n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net
> wrote:

> Hi Willy,
>
>
>
> What a great offer !!  If you are going to rent/loan the gauges worldwide
> you  have to find a way to ship without paying tax. Recently i bought a few
> gauges on ebay and with shipping these to the Netherlands i have to pay
> almost 30 percent import tax. A considerable amount of money.
>
> Maybe it is possible to ship as a gift or something like that?
>
>
>
> Regards Norman
>
>
>
> *Van:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *Namens
> *Willy Hermann
> *Verzonden:* zaterdag 9 april 2011 1:42
> *Aan:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> *Onderwerp:* [naktalk] Gauges
>
>
>
> Hi all -
>
>
>
> I have just bought a set of gauges from a shop which has quit working on
> Nakamichi decks.  The idea I have is to rent/loan these the gauges to those
> on the forum who are working on their own decks as they need them.  I'm not
> sure how interested anyone would be with me doing this or what the pitfalls
> of doing it would be (other than lots of admin time for me - good thing I'm
> retired ;-) )  I have attached the list of the gauges I just obtained.  All
> look to be in perfect shape and could easily and fairly inexpensively be
> shipped back and forth.
>
>
>
> Please give me your feedback.
>
>
>
> Willy
>
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From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com  Sat Apr  9 19:04:27 2011
From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 10:04:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Gauges
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTimTZXtZf1mG=Z-i71fARWendkfvqA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <25464.3082.qm@web112709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I believe this is very fair.

Ram.

--- On Sat, 4/9/11, Willy Hermann <willy at willyhermannservices.com> wrote:

From: Willy Hermann <willy at willyhermannservices.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Gauges
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Saturday, April 9, 2011, 12:30 PM

Thanks for the feedback.  Here's a proposal - let me know what you like and don't about it.  I'll take a $100 deposit and send the gauges needed in a Priority Mail flatrate box - it's fairly cheap and convenient.  Then when I get the gauges back I'll refund the $100 less a $10 charge plus my postage outbound.  

Sorry to the international guys - I think US only is the only thing that makes sense.  There are just too many problems with international shipping - getting charged duty when you shouldn't as well as loss and theft.  

Feedback?  How many of you would likely use the service?
Willy

On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 1:10 AM, Norman van Wijnen <n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net> wrote:

Hi Willy,
 What a great offer !!  If you are going to rent/loan the gauges worldwide you  have to find a way to ship without paying tax. Recently i bought a few gauges on ebay and with shipping these to the Netherlands i have to pay almost 30 percent import tax. A considerable amount of money.
Maybe it is possible to ship as a gift or something like that? 
Regards Norman 
Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens Willy Hermann

Verzonden: zaterdag 9 april 2011 1:42
Aan: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Onderwerp: [naktalk] Gauges 
Hi all - I have just bought a set of gauges from a shop which has quit working on Nakamichi decks.  The idea I have is to rent/loan these the gauges to those on the forum who are working on their own decks as they need them.  I'm not sure how interested anyone would be with me doing this or what the pitfalls of doing it would be (other than lots of admin time for me - good thing I'm retired ;-) )  I have attached the list of the gauges I just obtained.  All look to be in perfect shape and could easily and fairly inexpensively be shipped back and forth.
 Please give me your feedback. Willy
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From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com  Sat Apr  9 20:09:45 2011
From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 20:09:45 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Gauges
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTimTZXtZf1mG=Z-i71fARWendkfvqA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTikqCos-7ccndwTZOhX4YVp+-JMZiA@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi from europe,

Don´t we need the gauges only if we repace  the heads? Most off us  
have no spare playback or record heads.

Can we check the head high tilt by comparing it with a transport in   
good working condition?

By taking the measurement with any plastic or wooden tool from one  
transport into the next, the perfect  trasport?

Anyway it is a very good Idea from willy. Thanks to willy!

I think most of us Nak users would need alignment tapes only, to  do   
the alignment.

Willy should tell the users that you need a lot off technical  
expertness to work  on the transport. Or just put out the transport
to replace pinch rollers or heads.

Happy listening!

Gerhard/Vienna

Am 09.04.2011 um 18:30 schrieb Willy Hermann:

> Thanks for the feedback.  Here's a proposal - let me know what you  
> like and don't about it.  I'll take a $100 deposit and send the  
> gauges needed in a Priority Mail flatrate box - it's fairly cheap  
> and convenient.  Then when I get the gauges back I'll refund the  
> $100 less a $10 charge plus my postage outbound.
>
> Sorry to the international guys - I think US only is the only thing  
> that makes sense.  There are just too many problems with  
> international shipping - getting charged duty when you shouldn't as  
> well as loss and theft.
>
> Feedback?  How many of you would likely use the service?
>
> Willy
>
> On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 1:10 AM, Norman van Wijnen  
> <n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net> wrote:
> Hi Willy,
>
>
> What a great offer !!  If you are going to rent/loan the gauges  
> worldwide you  have to find a way to ship without paying tax.  
> Recently i bought a few gauges on ebay and with shipping these to  
> the Netherlands i have to pay almost 30 percent import tax. A  
> considerable amount of money.
>
> Maybe it is possible to ship as a gift or something like that?
>
>
> Regards Norman
>
>
> Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]  
> Namens Willy Hermann
> Verzonden: zaterdag 9 april 2011 1:42
> Aan: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Onderwerp: [naktalk] Gauges
>
>
> Hi all -
>
>
> I have just bought a set of gauges from a shop which has quit  
> working on Nakamichi decks.  The idea I have is to rent/loan these  
> the gauges to those on the forum who are working on their own decks  
> as they need them.  I'm not sure how interested anyone would be  
> with me doing this or what the pitfalls of doing it would be (other  
> than lots of admin time for me - good thing I'm retired ;-) )  I  
> have attached the list of the gauges I just obtained.  All look to  
> be in perfect shape and could easily and fairly inexpensively be  
> shipped back and forth.
>
>
> Please give me your feedback.
>
>
> Willy
>
>
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From fergus.cullen at gmail.com  Sat Apr  9 15:00:29 2011
From: fergus.cullen at gmail.com (Fergus Cullen)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 14:00:29 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Tapes you use to record
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From joyell.solie at sasktel.net  Sat Apr  9 18:50:42 2011
From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell)
Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2011 10:50:42 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Gauges
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That sounds great Willy, but I am in Canada, so I guess that leaves me out. I still think that it is very good of you to set this up and I am sure that Naktalkers that are able to take advantage will be very appreciative. 

Cheers,
Rainer
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Willy Hermann 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 10:30 AM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] Gauges


  Thanks for the feedback.  Here's a proposal - let me know what you like and don't about it.  I'll take a $100 deposit and send the gauges needed in a Priority Mail flatrate box - it's fairly cheap and convenient.  Then when I get the gauges back I'll refund the $100 less a $10 charge plus my postage outbound.  


  Sorry to the international guys - I think US only is the only thing that makes sense.  There are just too many problems with international shipping - getting charged duty when you shouldn't as well as loss and theft.  


  Feedback?  How many of you would likely use the service?


  Willy


  On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 1:10 AM, Norman van Wijnen <n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net> wrote:

    Hi Willy,



    What a great offer !!  If you are going to rent/loan the gauges worldwide you  have to find a way to ship without paying tax. Recently i bought a few gauges on ebay and with shipping these to the Netherlands i have to pay almost 30 percent import tax. A considerable amount of money.

    Maybe it is possible to ship as a gift or something like that?



    Regards Norman



    Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens Willy Hermann
    Verzonden: zaterdag 9 april 2011 1:42
    Aan: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
    Onderwerp: [naktalk] Gauges



    Hi all -



    I have just bought a set of gauges from a shop which has quit working on Nakamichi decks.  The idea I have is to rent/loan these the gauges to those on the forum who are working on their own decks as they need them.  I'm not sure how interested anyone would be with me doing this or what the pitfalls of doing it would be (other than lots of admin time for me - good thing I'm retired ;-) )  I have attached the list of the gauges I just obtained.  All look to be in perfect shape and could easily and fairly inexpensively be shipped back and forth.



    Please give me your feedback.



    Willy


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From r1seals at yahoo.com  Sat Apr  9 19:11:07 2011
From: r1seals at yahoo.com (Russ Seals)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 10:11:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Gauges
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTimTZXtZf1mG=Z-i71fARWendkfvqA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <330798.31789.qm@web113312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

 wow Willy what a generous offer on theses gauges I'm in. 

--- On Sat, 4/9/11, Willy Hermann <willy at willyhermannservices.com> wrote:

From: Willy Hermann <willy at willyhermannservices.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Gauges
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Saturday, April 9, 2011, 11:30 AM

Thanks for the feedback.  Here's a proposal - let me know what you like and don't about it.  I'll take a $100 deposit and send the gauges needed in a Priority Mail flatrate box - it's fairly cheap and convenient.  Then when I get the gauges back I'll refund the $100 less a $10 charge plus my postage outbound.  

Sorry to the international guys - I think US only is the only thing that makes sense.  There are just too many problems with international shipping - getting charged duty when you shouldn't as well as loss and theft.  

Feedback?  How many of you would likely use the service?
Willy

On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 1:10 AM, Norman van Wijnen <n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net> wrote:

Hi Willy,
 What a great offer !!  If you are going to rent/loan the gauges worldwide you  have to find a way to ship without paying tax. Recently i bought a few gauges on ebay and with shipping these to the Netherlands i have to pay almost 30 percent import tax. A considerable amount of money.
Maybe it is possible to ship as a gift or something like that? 
Regards Norman 
Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens Willy Hermann

Verzonden: zaterdag 9 april 2011 1:42
Aan: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Onderwerp: [naktalk] Gauges 
Hi all - I have just bought a set of gauges from a shop which has quit working on Nakamichi decks.  The idea I have is to rent/loan these the gauges to those on the forum who are working on their own decks as they need them.  I'm not sure how interested anyone would be with me doing this or what the pitfalls of doing it would be (other than lots of admin time for me - good thing I'm retired ;-) )  I have attached the list of the gauges I just obtained.  All look to be in perfect shape and could easily and fairly inexpensively be shipped back and forth.
 Please give me your feedback. Willy
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From yregelman at gmail.com  Sat Apr  9 20:11:19 2011
From: yregelman at gmail.com (Yuri Regelman)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 11:11:19 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Gauges
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTimTZXtZf1mG=Z-i71fARWendkfvqA@mail.gmail.com>
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Willy, what a great idea!  One thing you'll have to make sure is that people
don't hold to the gauges for a long time, but ask for them when they are
ready to use them, and send them back as soon as they are done, so that
others get a chance to use them.  That may mean that the refund may get
smaller the longer one holds on to the gauges.
Y

On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 9:30 AM, Willy Hermann <
willy at willyhermannservices.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the feedback.  Here's a proposal - let me know what you like and
> don't about it.  I'll take a $100 deposit and send the gauges needed in a
> Priority Mail flatrate box - it's fairly cheap and convenient.  Then when I
> get the gauges back I'll refund the $100 less a $10 charge plus my postage
> outbound.
>
> Sorry to the international guys - I think US only is the only thing that
> makes sense.  There are just too many problems with international shipping -
> getting charged duty when you shouldn't as well as loss and theft.
>
> Feedback?  How many of you would likely use the service?
>
> Willy
>
> On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 1:10 AM, Norman van Wijnen <
> n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net> wrote:
>
>> Hi Willy,
>>
>>
>>
>> What a great offer !!  If you are going to rent/loan the gauges worldwide
>> you  have to find a way to ship without paying tax. Recently i bought a few
>> gauges on ebay and with shipping these to the Netherlands i have to pay
>> almost 30 percent import tax. A considerable amount of money.
>>
>> Maybe it is possible to ship as a gift or something like that?
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards Norman
>>
>>
>>
>> *Van:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *Namens
>> *Willy Hermann
>> *Verzonden:* zaterdag 9 april 2011 1:42
>> *Aan:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>> *Onderwerp:* [naktalk] Gauges
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi all -
>>
>>
>>
>> I have just bought a set of gauges from a shop which has quit working on
>> Nakamichi decks.  The idea I have is to rent/loan these the gauges to those
>> on the forum who are working on their own decks as they need them.  I'm not
>> sure how interested anyone would be with me doing this or what the pitfalls
>> of doing it would be (other than lots of admin time for me - good thing I'm
>> retired ;-) )  I have attached the list of the gauges I just obtained.  All
>> look to be in perfect shape and could easily and fairly inexpensively be
>> shipped back and forth.
>>
>>
>>
>> Please give me your feedback.
>>
>>
>>
>> Willy
>>
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From willy at willyhermannservices.com  Sat Apr  9 21:55:36 2011
From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 11:55:36 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Gauges
In-Reply-To: <9992758D-E2F9-4266-92B7-BFEB267A8EE3@gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTikqCos-7ccndwTZOhX4YVp+-JMZiA@mail.gmail.com>
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The most common need for these gauges is after the pinch roller rockers have
been removed and cleaned due to hardening of lubricants.  The tape guides
are on the rocker arms and must be realigned correctly.  Yes, you will also
need test tapes but they are available for purchase from a variety of
sources.  Borrowing these gauges is an alternative to buying the gauge I
had re-manufactured.  Yes, you can approximate the correct guide position in
various ways.  These gauges just make the job much easier and more accurate.

Willy

On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi from europe,
>
> Don´t we need the gauges only if we repace  the heads? Most off us have no
> spare playback or record heads.
>
> Can we check the head high tilt by comparing it with a transport in  good
> working condition?
>
> By taking the measurement with any plastic or wooden tool from one
> transport into the next, the perfect  trasport?
>
> Anyway it is a very good Idea from willy. Thanks to willy!
>
> I think most of us Nak users would need alignment tapes only, to  do  the
> alignment.
>
> Willy should tell the users that you need a lot off technical expertness to
> work  on the transport. Or just put out the transport
> to replace pinch rollers or heads.
>
> Happy listening!
>
> Gerhard/Vienna
>
> Am 09.04.2011 um 18:30 schrieb Willy Hermann:
>
> Thanks for the feedback.  Here's a proposal - let me know what you like and
> don't about it.  I'll take a $100 deposit and send the gauges needed in a
> Priority Mail flatrate box - it's fairly cheap and convenient.  Then when I
> get the gauges back I'll refund the $100 less a $10 charge plus my postage
> outbound.
>
> Sorry to the international guys - I think US only is the only thing that
> makes sense.  There are just too many problems with international shipping -
> getting charged duty when you shouldn't as well as loss and theft.
>
> Feedback?  How many of you would likely use the service?
>
> Willy
>
> On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 1:10 AM, Norman van Wijnen <
> n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net> wrote:
>
>> Hi Willy,
>>
>>
>> What a great offer !!  If you are going to rent/loan the gauges worldwide
>> you  have to find a way to ship without paying tax. Recently i bought a few
>> gauges on ebay and with shipping these to the Netherlands i have to pay
>> almost 30 percent import tax. A considerable amount of money.
>>
>> Maybe it is possible to ship as a gift or something like that?
>>
>>
>> Regards Norman
>>
>>
>> *Van:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *Namens
>> *Willy Hermann
>> *Verzonden:* zaterdag 9 april 2011 1:42
>> *Aan:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>> *Onderwerp:* [naktalk] Gauges
>>
>>
>> Hi all -
>>
>>
>> I have just bought a set of gauges from a shop which has quit working on
>> Nakamichi decks.  The idea I have is to rent/loan these the gauges to those
>> on the forum who are working on their own decks as they need them.  I'm not
>> sure how interested anyone would be with me doing this or what the pitfalls
>> of doing it would be (other than lots of admin time for me - good thing I'm
>> retired ;-) )  I have attached the list of the gauges I just obtained.  All
>> look to be in perfect shape and could easily and fairly inexpensively be
>> shipped back and forth.
>>
>>
>> Please give me your feedback.
>>
>>
>> Willy
>>
>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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From d_h_gore at yahoo.com  Sat Apr  9 23:02:25 2011
From: d_h_gore at yahoo.com (Don Gore)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 14:02:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Gauges
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTikqCos-7ccndwTZOhX4YVp+-JMZiA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTikqCos-7ccndwTZOhX4YVp+-JMZiA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <482489.61137.qm@web65712.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

  Some of these gauges are probably worth more than $100. Risky.



________________________________
From: Willy Hermann <willy at willyhermannservices.com>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Fri, April 8, 2011 7:42:22 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Gauges

Hi all -

I have just bought a set of gauges from a shop which has quit working on 
Nakamichi decks.  The idea I have is to rent/loan these the gauges to those on 
the forum who are working on their own decks as they need them.  I'm not sure 
how interested anyone would be with me doing this or what the pitfalls of doing 
it would be (other than lots of admin time for me - good thing I'm retired ;-) ) 
 I have attached the list of the gauges I just obtained.  All look to be in 
perfect shape and could easily and fairly inexpensively be shipped back and 
forth.

Please give me your feedback.

Willy
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From mark8559 at hotmail.com  Sun Apr 10 20:43:13 2011
From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt)
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 12:43:13 -0600
Subject: FW: [naktalk] Prioritizing my Nak Portfolio
In-Reply-To: <E4F0701340734592AD740569DA22C0D0@alsdesk4>
References: <E4F0701340734592AD740569DA22C0D0@alsdesk4>
Message-ID: <SNT111-W13F253BBE267942184EE28DBA90@phx.gbl>


Keep the CR-4A and get one of the 680ZX serviced. 
After the 680ZX servce, sell the 480 and the other 680ZX.
Per your description, those two decks (CR-4A and 680ZX) should give you all the wonderful sound you'll need.
 


From: aswett1 at rochester.rr.com
To: naktalk at naks.com
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 14:17:16 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Prioritizing my Nak Portfolio





I have four machines...480, CR4A, and 2-680ZXs.  I'm trying to decide which one(s) to focus on, i.e. get fixed and keep maintained.  The 480 was a wedding present from a friend in the hi-fi business 30 years ago and, after many years of service (and maintenance), has been retired to its box in the attic.  I bought the CR4A new whenever it was originally sold and used it off and on until a few months ago when the take up motor (or other related mechanism) ceased taking up, causing it to stop after a few seconds.  The 2 680ZXs were my Dads and he he used them both heavily since he bought them in the early 80s, especially enjoying the half-speed feature.  Each was sent back to Nak (in the old days) one or more times for servicing.  They became mine when Dad passed away.  One works well except that when you first turn it on, it starts playing and won't stop until you push the "stop" button a few times.  The other seems mechanically fine but has a distortion issue on playback.  My inclination has been to go ahead and get the CR4A repaired and returned to service...it's the newest one, has the least wear, and has worked well for me.  From what I read on this forum, the 680s are great machines, but expensive to diagnose and repair and the continued functioning of the one that now works (mostly) may be questionable.  Don't know about the 480...seems like the others are superior, so more worth focusing on.  I'm curious what the perspective of this group is...fix one (or more)?  If so which (and how...I'm not as talented at repairing as many in this forum, so would probably need to send off for repair).  Or...scrap (sell) them all and track down something like the ZX-7 which has been the focus of so many notes in the past few days.  I'd like to continue to have the ability to record/play cassettes at a high level of quality...the rest of my system is old, but pretty good.  Thanks in advance for any suggestions.  
 		 	   		  
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From kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net  Sun Apr 10 15:45:57 2011
From: kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net (Kenneth Kirkpatrick)
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 08:45:57 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Gauges
In-Reply-To: <201104101010.p3AA8jsI023219@zxe.naks.com>
References: <201104101010.p3AA8jsI023219@zxe.naks.com>
Message-ID: <86DF9846-3480-4ADF-8483-03B0595D7C7C@sbcglobal.net>

> 
> ***************************************
Willy says:

> Thanks for the feedback.  Here's a proposal - let me know what you like and
> don't about it.  I'll take a $100 deposit and send the gauges needed in a
> Priority Mail flatrate box - it's fairly cheap and convenient.  Then when I
> get the gauges back I'll refund the $100 less a $10 charge plus my postage
> outbound.
> 
> Sorry to the international guys - I think US only is the only thing that
> makes sense.  There are just too many problems with international shipping -
> getting charged duty when you shouldn't as well as loss and theft.
> 
> Feedback?  How many of you would likely use the service?

Ken says:

Wow very nice. And very useful!  But I think you need to ask for a deposit that would cover the cost of the gauges plus some extra. If not, someone will just keep them and disappear.



I hate to think this would happen, but it would just be a matter of time.... :(





From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Mon Apr 11 08:51:07 2011
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 08:51:07 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Donation: BX-100
Message-ID: <8f630486ebb0c72d525fdcecd9eb6679.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>


We have a BX-100 donation in Pasadena TX 77505.
The owner let a message:

"I have a silver BX-100 in perfect condition. I replaced the pinch
rollers about a year ago to sell it but never got around to doing that. I
just want it to end up with someone who will appreciate it. I have the
original box and manual also. Box is not in good condition"

If you are interested let me know off-list.

Wouter




From laurenh at gmail.com  Mon Apr 11 11:26:05 2011
From: laurenh at gmail.com (Lauren Horn)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 01:26:05 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Zx-9
In-Reply-To: <BE312709-2BC7-4D10-B559-61D44EC2451E@yahoo.com>
References: <BE312709-2BC7-4D10-B559-61D44EC2451E@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTimgqNn+prqM3wwabgbuRwyoi9vSwQ@mail.gmail.com>

I hope you're too busy listening happily to update us.

On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 2:36 AM, Rich <hockeyeast at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Picked up a zx-9 , 800 CAD . More to come.
>
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From hockeyeast at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 11 12:38:08 2011
From: hockeyeast at yahoo.com (Rich)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 06:38:08 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Zx-9
Message-ID: <D8B8BFC9-712E-449F-A213-6A9FA751138F@yahoo.com>

Still waiting on it...soon very soon! :)

Sent from my iPhone


From buttsjoc at gmail.com  Tue Apr 12 02:04:53 2011
From: buttsjoc at gmail.com (John Butts)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 20:04:53 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Problem With 480 Recording
Message-ID: <BANLkTi=8L+7N+gd4_ZCCWyjDvV8R0NfBxA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Naktalk,

I'm new to the cassette deck world and I have been enjoying my father's 480.
I have been using it primarily for recording guitar tracks and band
practices, but I have recently been unable to overwrite existing recordings.
When I attempt to record I am stuck with the original recording on the
cassette with the new attempt very fuzzy in the background. I have cleaned
the heads with isopropyl alcohol once and demagnetized the heads (but I only
have a cassette style demagnetizer and in reading this doesn't seem to be
enough). I am beginning to think it may be the eraser head and if so I was
wondering if anyone had any input on how to go about a repair and a ballpark
of how expensive it would be.

Thanks you,

John
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From ronami at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 12 14:23:43 2011
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 05:23:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Problem With 480 Recording
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTi=8L+7N+gd4_ZCCWyjDvV8R0NfBxA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTi=8L+7N+gd4_ZCCWyjDvV8R0NfBxA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <744057.23141.qm@web130123.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

If your bias oscillator is weak or dead, the symptoms 
would be as your describe -- bad recordings and no 
erasure. If the oscillator works, but frequency is 
w-a-y off, there would be similar symptoms.

To check, view the output waveform with a 'scope.
I don't know of any other method to diagnose this,
so if you don't have a 'scope, consider having the 
deck looked at by a pro.

Good luck,

-- Ron




________________________________
From: John Butts <buttsjoc at gmail.com>
To: naktalk at naks.com
Sent: Mon, April 11, 2011 8:04:53 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Problem With 480 Recording

Hello Naktalk,

I'm new to the cassette deck world and I have been enjoying my father's 480. I 
have been using it primarily for recording guitar tracks and band practices, but 
I have recently been unable to overwrite existing recordings. When I attempt to 
record I am stuck with the original recording on the cassette with the new 
attempt very fuzzy in the background. I have cleaned the heads with isopropyl 
alcohol once and demagnetized the heads (but I only have a cassette style 
demagnetizer and in reading this doesn't seem to be enough). I am beginning to 
think it may be the eraser head and if so I was wondering if anyone had any 
input on how to go about a repair and a ballpark of how expensive it would be.

Thanks you,

John
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From willy at willyhermannservices.com  Tue Apr 12 18:13:39 2011
From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 08:13:39 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Problem With 480 Recording
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTi=8L+7N+gd4_ZCCWyjDvV8R0NfBxA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTi=8L+7N+gd4_ZCCWyjDvV8R0NfBxA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTikuBP614MnBiij8o=vQDXhfP1pnWA@mail.gmail.com>

The bias oscillator is probably not working due to shorted or open
capacitors C302 and C303.  They are two orange drop 47--pf caps near the
bias coil.  After you replace them you should reset the bias frequency and
levels but just replacing them will make the machine work again.

Willy

On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 4:04 PM, John Butts <buttsjoc at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello Naktalk,
>
> I'm new to the cassette deck world and I have been enjoying my father's
> 480. I have been using it primarily for recording guitar tracks and band
> practices, but I have recently been unable to overwrite existing recordings.
> When I attempt to record I am stuck with the original recording on the
> cassette with the new attempt very fuzzy in the background. I have cleaned
> the heads with isopropyl alcohol once and demagnetized the heads (but I only
> have a cassette style demagnetizer and in reading this doesn't seem to be
> enough). I am beginning to think it may be the eraser head and if so I was
> wondering if anyone had any input on how to go about a repair and a ballpark
> of how expensive it would be.
>
> Thanks you,
>
> John
>
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Wed Apr 13 22:53:27 2011
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 22:53:27 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: My ZX-7]
Message-ID: <177b8ee5578c715cb819f0e03492dc36.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>


Hi there,

As there is so much going on right now about the ZX-7 ( and the CR-7) I
thought this could be the right moment to find someone interested in my
zx-7.



What I did: I hang a poster of the ZX-7 / ZX-9 above my bed when I was 15
years old. 20 years later I bought a ZX-7 from a German. The first owner.
When I got the box and opened it, the first thing I saw was the same poster
I had hanging over my bed when I was 15.

It was the best day of my life. I found a crisp and clear ZX-7. No scratches
nothing. The deck was calibrated a few years before I bought it, with
report. It came with all the documents, owners manual, the bill, the first
calibration reports, etc. Except for two plastic caps, they are missing.



The deck is in very good condition, everything works, it looks like new. I'm
about to have the belts replace because it has not been done ever and you
here a little wow/flutter. I can imagine however that someone wants to do it
himself or done in a certain picky choosy way. The deck is in a really
original state.  So I'm about to put my best buy ever on Ebay. Why; I do not
record anymore, when I play my tapes, I use an Akai gx75mklI (really). I do
not use the ZX-7  at the moment.



If anyone is interested please let me know, I can send pictures and stuff.



Kind regards,



Pieter Thole

Amsterdam



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From buttsjoc at gmail.com  Tue Apr 12 15:05:22 2011
From: buttsjoc at gmail.com (John Butts)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 09:05:22 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Problem With 480 Recording
In-Reply-To: <744057.23141.qm@web130123.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <BANLkTi=8L+7N+gd4_ZCCWyjDvV8R0NfBxA@mail.gmail.com>
	<744057.23141.qm@web130123.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTimwPaS3xRsr_6GDpmeWxZRVcBNqUw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Ron,

This is exciting as this is something I should be able to do with my father.
I'm very fortunate I found this group, you guys are great and I am thankful
for the response, it means a lot.

John

On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 8:23 AM, Ron <ronami at yahoo.com> wrote:

> If your bias oscillator is weak or dead, the symptoms
> would be as your describe -- bad recordings and no
> erasure. If the oscillator works, but frequency is
> w-a-y off, there would be similar symptoms.
>
> To check, view the output waveform with a 'scope.
> I don't know of any other method to diagnose this,
> so if you don't have a 'scope, consider having the
> deck looked at by a pro.
>
> Good luck,
>
> -- Ron
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* John Butts <buttsjoc at gmail.com>
> *To:* naktalk at naks.com
> *Sent:* Mon, April 11, 2011 8:04:53 PM
> *Subject:* [naktalk] Problem With 480 Recording
>
> Hello Naktalk,
>
> I'm new to the cassette deck world and I have been enjoying my father's
> 480. I have been using it primarily for recording guitar tracks and band
> practices, but I have recently been unable to overwrite existing recordings.
> When I attempt to record I am stuck with the original recording on the
> cassette with the new attempt very fuzzy in the background. I have cleaned
> the heads with isopropyl alcohol once and demagnetized the heads (but I only
> have a cassette style demagnetizer and in reading this doesn't seem to be
> enough). I am beginning to think it may be the eraser head and if so I was
> wondering if anyone had any input on how to go about a repair and a ballpark
> of how expensive it would be.
>
> Thanks you,
>
> John
>
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From chartz at club-internet.fr  Tue Apr 12 11:41:55 2011
From: chartz at club-internet.fr (Jacques Frantz)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 11:41:55 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Problem With 480 Recording
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTi=8L+7N+gd4_ZCCWyjDvV8R0NfBxA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTi=8L+7N+gd4_ZCCWyjDvV8R0NfBxA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <25830975-05CA-4B93-9491-3D9AAE1DAB13@club-internet.fr>

These are the symptoms of orange cap disease!
Ideally, replace all if them.
Go agead!

Jacques

Le 12 avr. 2011 à 02:04, John Butts <buttsjoc at gmail.com> a écrit :

> Hello Naktalk,
> 
> I'm new to the cassette deck world and I have been enjoying my father's 480. I have been using it primarily for recording guitar tracks and band practices, but I have recently been unable to overwrite existing recordings. When I attempt to record I am stuck with the original recording on the cassette with the new attempt very fuzzy in the background. I have cleaned the heads with isopropyl alcohol once and demagnetized the heads (but I only have a cassette style demagnetizer and in reading this doesn't seem to be enough). I am beginning to think it may be the eraser head and if so I was wondering if anyone had any input on how to go about a repair and a ballpark of how expensive it would be.
> 
> Thanks you,
> 
> John
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From hwbosshoss at comcast.net  Wed Apr 13 02:26:00 2011
From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 00:26:00 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [naktalk] RX-505: I'm Stumped
Message-ID: <1087775062.1032575.1302654360019.JavaMail.root@sz0075a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

Hi, Everyone:

I have a repair on my workbench that is a real puzzle.

It's an RX-505 in mint condition.

It will ALWAYS load and play a tape on Side A.  No problems at all.

It will NEVER load or play a tape on Side B. The drawer closes, and after a few seconds, it opens again.  If I try to fool it by playing a tape on Side A and then hitting the REVERSE button, the same thing happens -- it flips to Side B, and after a few seconds, the drawer opens again.

It is VERY SIGNIFICANT to note that when the drawer closes on Side A, the take-up reel spins to tension the tape, but this NEVER happens when the drawer closes on Side B.  It's as if the deck doesn't "realize" that the drawer is closed on Side B.  Since it doesn't "realize" the drawer is closed on Side B, the take-up reel doesn't spin, and the Play/FF/RW functions are not available.

I have done the following:

1) I have replaced the auto-reverse (UDAR) belt with an exact replacement.  I MADE SURE TO REPOSITION THE DRAWER GEARS IN THE PROPER ORIENTATION WITH EACH OTHER, according to the service manual.

2) I have re-calibrated the drawer open/close and tape flip action, using the procedure outlined in the service manual (the one where you disconnect the switch that senses when the drawer is closed and then you short certain test points to get the drawer to flip to Side A, Side B, and then the tape flip position).

3) I have looked all over the drawer assembly for some kind of mechanical fault, but I have found nothing.

So....Why won't this deck's drawer work on Side B, even though Side A works perfectly?  Any help will be MUCH APPRECIATED!

THANKS!


*andy*
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From wotbob01 at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 14 00:01:24 2011
From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 15:01:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Problem With 480 Recording
In-Reply-To: <744057.23141.qm@web130123.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <598289.84398.qm@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Ron, Just curious, is the bias osc a square wave or a sine wave?
Bob N

--- On Tue, 4/12/11, Ron <ronami at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Ron <ronami at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Problem With 480 Recording
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Tuesday, April 12, 2011, 5:23 AM

If your bias oscillator is weak or dead, the symptoms 
would be as your describe -- bad recordings and no 
erasure. If the oscillator works, but frequency is 
w-a-y off, there would be similar symptoms.

To check, view the output waveform with a 'scope.
I don't know of any other method to diagnose this,
so if you don't have a 'scope, consider having the 
deck looked at by a pro.

Good luck,

-- Ron


From: John Butts <buttsjoc at gmail.com>
To:
 naktalk at naks.com
Sent: Mon, April 11, 2011 8:04:53 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Problem With 480 Recording


Hello Naktalk,

I'm new to the cassette deck world and I have been enjoying my father's 480. I have been using it primarily for recording guitar tracks and band practices, but I have recently been unable to overwrite existing recordings. When I attempt to record I am stuck with the original recording on the cassette with the new attempt very fuzzy in the background. I have cleaned the heads with isopropyl alcohol once and demagnetized the heads (but I only have a cassette style demagnetizer and in reading this doesn't seem to be enough). I am beginning to think it may be the eraser head and if so I was wondering if anyone had any input on how to go about a repair and a ballpark of how expensive it would be.


Thanks you,

John



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From rpierce000 at centurytel.net  Thu Apr 14 02:21:01 2011
From: rpierce000 at centurytel.net (Bob Pierce)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 17:21:01 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] RX-505: I'm Stumped
In-Reply-To: <1087775062.1032575.1302654360019.JavaMail.root@sz0075a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
References: <1087775062.1032575.1302654360019.JavaMail.root@sz0075a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <03df01cbfa39$d6b5ce30$84216a90$@net>

Have you checked the phase of the moon and local gravitational differential between the sides of the unit?

 

I would be looking at the sensor that tells it there is a tape in it on side B rather than A. I don’t have a 505, but I believe there is a dent in the tape that tells the unit which side it is on.

 

Otherwise I would find a very soft wall and use my head as a wrecking ball… USE A SOFT WALL!  DAMHIKT

 

Bob

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of hwbosshoss at comcast.net
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 5:26 PM
To: naktalk-pro at naks.com
Cc: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] RX-505: I'm Stumped

 

Hi, Everyone:

I have a repair on my workbench that is a real puzzle.

It's an RX-505 in mint condition.

It will ALWAYS load and play a tape on Side A.  No problems at all.

It will NEVER load or play a tape on Side B. The drawer closes, and after a few seconds, it opens again.  If I try to fool it by playing a tape on Side A and then hitting the REVERSE button, the same thing happens -- it flips to Side B, and after a few seconds, the drawer opens again.

It is VERY SIGNIFICANT to note that when the drawer closes on Side A, the take-up reel spins to tension the tape, but this NEVER happens when the drawer closes on Side B.  It's as if the deck doesn't "realize" that the drawer is closed on Side B.  Since it doesn't "realize" the drawer is closed on Side B, the take-up reel doesn't spin, and the Play/FF/RW functions are not available.

I have done the following:

1) I have replaced the auto-reverse (UDAR) belt with an exact replacement.  I MADE SURE TO REPOSITION THE DRAWER GEARS IN THE PROPER ORIENTATION WITH EACH OTHER, according to the service manual.

2) I have re-calibrated the drawer open/close and tape flip action, using the procedure outlined in the service manual (the one where you disconnect the switch that senses when the drawer is closed and then you short certain test points to get the drawer to flip to Side A, Side B, and then the tape flip position).

3) I have looked all over the drawer assembly for some kind of mechanical fault, but I have found nothing.

So....Why won't this deck's drawer work on Side B, even though Side A works perfectly?  Any help will be MUCH APPRECIATED!

THANKS!


*andy*

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From r1seals at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 14 01:27:09 2011
From: r1seals at yahoo.com (Russ Seals)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 16:27:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Problem With 480 Recording
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTimwPaS3xRsr_6GDpmeWxZRVcBNqUw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <727704.73289.qm@web113309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

yea I had that problem with my 480 as well I changed those caps and works great can't remember  if it was Tom or Willy that told me about them. Good luck on it 

--- On Tue, 4/12/11, John Butts <buttsjoc at gmail.com> wrote:

From: John Butts <buttsjoc at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Problem With 480 Recording
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Tuesday, April 12, 2011, 8:05 AM

Thanks Ron,

This is exciting as this is something I should be able to do with my father. I'm very fortunate I found this group, you guys are great and I am thankful for the response, it means a lot.

John


On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 8:23 AM, Ron <ronami at yahoo.com> wrote:

If your bias oscillator is weak or dead, the symptoms 

would be as your describe -- bad recordings and no 
erasure. If the oscillator works, but frequency is 
w-a-y off, there would be similar symptoms.

To check, view the output waveform with a 'scope.
I don't know of any other method to diagnose this,

so if you don't have a 'scope, consider having the 
deck looked at by a pro.

Good luck,

-- Ron



From: John Butts <buttsjoc at gmail.com>
To:
 naktalk at naks.com
Sent: Mon, April 11, 2011 8:04:53 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Problem With 480 Recording



Hello Naktalk,

I'm new to the cassette deck world and I have been enjoying my father's 480. I have been using it primarily for recording guitar tracks and band practices, but I have recently been unable to overwrite existing recordings. When I attempt to record I am stuck with the original recording on the cassette with the new attempt very fuzzy in the background. I have cleaned the heads with isopropyl alcohol once and demagnetized the heads (but I only have a cassette style demagnetizer and in reading this doesn't seem to be enough). I am beginning to think it may be the eraser head and if so I was wondering if anyone had any input on how to go about a repair and a ballpark of how expensive it would be.



Thanks you,

John



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From dandhsun at gmail.com  Thu Apr 14 02:54:06 2011
From: dandhsun at gmail.com (Daniel Sun)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 08:54:06 +0800
Subject: [naktalk] "Screeching" Sound in CR-7A
Message-ID: <BANLkTik62s2Fzs4sLSXyZYMbvEk-vA-Rag@mail.gmail.com>

Hello everyone. Just last night while recording my CR-7A suddenly emitted a
"high pitch" screeching sound, this occurs only in playback and recording
mode. My deck has the gear drive upgrade and it sounds like friction to me
when rubber parts rub against each other. Would the machine sustain more
injury if I keep it playing? Hope this issue could be easily solved.

Rgds,

Daniel
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From fergus.cullen at gmail.com  Thu Apr 14 12:47:44 2011
From: fergus.cullen at gmail.com (Fergus Cullen)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 11:47:44 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] RX-505: I'm Stumped
In-Reply-To: <03df01cbfa39$d6b5ce30$84216a90$@net>
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Ha ha so funny!
I have the same problem with a Philips 3 in 1 system I have. It's a cheap
thing and I don't use it except for playing cds but I'd be curious to know
what the solution might be.
 On 14 Apr 2011 09:03, "Bob Pierce" <rpierce000 at centurytel.net> wrote:
> Have you checked the phase of the moon and local gravitational
differential between the sides of the unit?
>
>
>
> I would be looking at the sensor that tells it there is a tape in it on
side B rather than A. I don’t have a 505, but I believe there is a dent in
the tape that tells the unit which side it is on.
>
>
>
> Otherwise I would find a very soft wall and use my head as a wrecking
ball… USE A SOFT WALL! DAMHIKT
>
>
>
> Bob
>
>
>
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of hwbosshoss at comcast.net
> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 5:26 PM
> To: naktalk-pro at naks.com
> Cc: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] RX-505: I'm Stumped
>
>
>
> Hi, Everyone:
>
> I have a repair on my workbench that is a real puzzle.
>
> It's an RX-505 in mint condition.
>
> It will ALWAYS load and play a tape on Side A. No problems at all.
>
> It will NEVER load or play a tape on Side B. The drawer closes, and after
a few seconds, it opens again. If I try to fool it by playing a tape on Side
A and then hitting the REVERSE button, the same thing happens -- it flips to
Side B, and after a few seconds, the drawer opens again.
>
> It is VERY SIGNIFICANT to note that when the drawer closes on Side A, the
take-up reel spins to tension the tape, but this NEVER happens when the
drawer closes on Side B. It's as if the deck doesn't "realize" that the
drawer is closed on Side B. Since it doesn't "realize" the drawer is closed
on Side B, the take-up reel doesn't spin, and the Play/FF/RW functions are
not available.
>
> I have done the following:
>
> 1) I have replaced the auto-reverse (UDAR) belt with an exact replacement.
I MADE SURE TO REPOSITION THE DRAWER GEARS IN THE PROPER ORIENTATION WITH
EACH OTHER, according to the service manual.
>
> 2) I have re-calibrated the drawer open/close and tape flip action, using
the procedure outlined in the service manual (the one where you disconnect
the switch that senses when the drawer is closed and then you short certain
test points to get the drawer to flip to Side A, Side B, and then the tape
flip position).
>
> 3) I have looked all over the drawer assembly for some kind of mechanical
fault, but I have found nothing.
>
> So....Why won't this deck's drawer work on Side B, even though Side A
works perfectly? Any help will be MUCH APPRECIATED!
>
> THANKS!
>
>
> *andy*
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From hockeyeast at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 14 13:58:09 2011
From: hockeyeast at yahoo.com (rich)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 04:58:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] 1. [Fwd: My ZX-7] (Wouter Heijke)
Message-ID: <542541.29151.qm@web31501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>



Hey wouter,
 
   sounds like a nice deck. Funny, I was thinking about what you said hanging that poster up. Closest i ever got to a marantz receiver when i was a kid was a poster (still have it). I finially got a 2325 and remember being so happy about that. still have that too, running a pair of restored ar3a's. zx-9 on the way!!!
 
Rich
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From r1seals at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 14 15:07:32 2011
From: r1seals at yahoo.com (Russ Seals)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 06:07:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] "Screeching" Sound in CR-7A
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTik62s2Fzs4sLSXyZYMbvEk-vA-Rag@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <479340.78605.qm@web113319.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

That sounds like the tape try fast forwarding it and then rewind it and go from there I have had some prerecord tapes do that don't know if it's the slip sheet or the rollers in the cassette but I'm sure that some one on here can lend some more advice.


--- On Wed, 4/13/11, Daniel Sun <dandhsun at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Daniel Sun <dandhsun at gmail.com>
Subject: [naktalk] "Screeching" Sound in CR-7A
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Wednesday, April 13, 2011, 7:54 PM

Hello everyone. Just last night while recording my CR-7A suddenly emitted a "high pitch" screeching sound, this occurs only in playback and recording mode. My deck has the gear drive upgrade and it sounds like friction to me when rubber parts rub against each other. Would the machine sustain more injury if I keep it playing? Hope this issue could be easily solved.

 
Rgds,
 
Daniel

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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Thu Apr 14 15:47:27 2011
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 15:47:27 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] 1. [Fwd: My ZX-7] (Wouter Heijke)
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Hi,
It is a nice deck (got one).. but I just forwarded the message, I did not
write it!
Wouter

> Hey wouter,
>  
>    sounds like a nice deck. Funny, I was thinking about what you said
> hanging that poster up. Closest i ever got to a marantz receiver when i
> was a kid was a poster (still have it). I finially got a 2325 and remember
> being so happy about that. still have that too, running a pair of restored
> ar3a's. zx-9 on the way!!!
>  
> Rich



From ronami at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 14 16:44:56 2011
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 07:44:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Problem With 480 Recording
In-Reply-To: <598289.84398.qm@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <598289.84398.qm@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <969316.65940.qm@web130108.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


It's a sine wave, as pure (that is, as low distortion) as 
possible. A square wave (very high distortion content) 
would be a disaster. 

-- Ron





________________________________
From: Bob Naylor <wotbob01 at yahoo.com>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wed, April 13, 2011 6:01:24 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Problem With 480 Recording


Ron, Just curious, is the bias osc a square wave or a sine wave?
Bob N

--- On Tue, 4/12/11, Ron <ronami at yahoo.com> wrote:


>From: Ron <ronami at yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Problem With 480 Recording
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Date: Tuesday, April 12, 2011, 5:23 AM
>
>
>If your bias oscillator is weak or dead, the symptoms 
>would be as your describe -- bad recordings and no 
>erasure. If the oscillator works, but  frequency is 
>w-a-y off, there would be similar symptoms.
>
>To check, view the output waveform with a 'scope.
>I don't know of any other method to diagnose this,
>so if you don't have a 'scope, consider having the 
>deck looked at by a pro.
>
>Good luck,
>
>-- Ron
>
>
>
>
________________________________
From: John Butts <buttsjoc at gmail.com>
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Sent: Mon, April 11, 2011 8:04:53 PM
>Subject: [naktalk] Problem With 480 Recording
>
>Hello Naktalk,
>
>I'm new to the cassette deck world and I have been enjoying my father's 480. I 
>have been using it primarily for recording guitar tracks and band practices, but 
>I have recently been unable to overwrite existing recordings. When I attempt to 
>record I am stuck with the original recording on the cassette with the new 
>attempt very fuzzy in the background. I have cleaned the heads with isopropyl 
>alcohol once and demagnetized the heads (but I only have a cassette style 
>demagnetizer and in reading this doesn't seem to be enough). I am beginning to 
>think it may be the eraser head and if so I was wondering if anyone had any 
>input on how to go about a repair and a ballpark of how expensive it would be.
>
>Thanks you,
>
>John
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From ronami at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 14 17:14:35 2011
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 08:14:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] "Screeching" Sound in CR-7A
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References: <BANLkTik62s2Fzs4sLSXyZYMbvEk-vA-Rag@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <947368.44964.qm@web130101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


If the high pitched squeaking occurs with a specific cassette, 
try to thoroughly clean the tape path (especially, the heads). 
It this doesn't help, that cassette is probably history. There 
are several schemes (search the web) for making it work for 
one last time, for copying it. 

If the noise occurs with all cassettes, press Play with no 
cassette in the well, but apply friction to the take up hub 
with two fingers, so it will rotate, but slower than it wants. 

If all is quiet, this exonerates the take up components, so I 
would suspect the supply hub components. To check those, 
press Play and with your fingers forcefully turn the supply 
hub counterclockwise. If the motion is rough or noise is 
actually heard, you know where to investigate further...

Good luck,

-- Ron 





________________________________
From: Daniel Sun <dandhsun at gmail.com>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wed, April 13, 2011 8:54:06 PM
Subject: [naktalk] "Screeching" Sound in CR-7A


Hello everyone. Just last night while recording my CR-7A suddenly emitted a 
"high pitch" screeching sound, this occurs only in playback and recording mode. 
My deck has the gear drive upgrade and it sounds like friction to me when rubber 
parts rub against each other. Would the machine sustain more injury if I keep it 
playing? Hope this issue could be easily solved.
 
Rgds,
 
Daniel
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From shoeihell at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 14 16:14:20 2011
From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 07:14:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] RE:RX-505: I'm Stumped
In-Reply-To: <201104141017.p3EA8T6T010252@zxe.naks.com>
References: <201104141017.p3EA8T6T010252@zxe.naks.com>
Message-ID: <897517.61951.qm@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Hey Andy,
It's a pot adjustment for the drawer and in the service manual. I had 
essentially the same problem development. Willy told me what page it's on and I 
went to it. All I remember is follow ALL the steps and don't shortcut. Unless 
you're lucky the first time, it's a fiddle/patience thing. 


Kevin




________________________________
Message: 4
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 00:26:00 +0000 (UTC)
From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net
Subject: [naktalk] RX-505: I'm Stumped
To: naktalk-pro at naks.com
Cc: naktalk at naks.com
Message-ID:
    
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Hi, Everyone:

I have a repair on my workbench that is a real puzzle.

It's an RX-505 in mint condition.

It will ALWAYS load and play a tape on Side A.  No problems at all.

It  will NEVER load or play a tape on Side B. The drawer closes, and after a  
few seconds, it opens again.  If I try to fool it by playing a tape on  Side A 
and then hitting the REVERSE button, the same thing happens -- it  flips to Side 
B, and after a few seconds, the drawer opens again.

It  is VERY SIGNIFICANT to note that when the drawer closes on Side A, the  
take-up reel spins to tension the tape, but this NEVER happens when the  drawer 
closes on Side B.  It's as if the deck doesn't "realize" that the  drawer is 
closed on Side B.  Since it doesn't "realize" the drawer is  closed on Side B, 
the take-up reel doesn't spin, and the Play/FF/RW  functions are not available.

I have done the following:

1)  I have replaced the auto-reverse (UDAR) belt with an exact  replacement.  I 
MADE SURE TO REPOSITION THE DRAWER GEARS IN THE PROPER  ORIENTATION WITH EACH 
OTHER, according to the service manual.

2) I  have re-calibrated the drawer open/close and tape flip action, using  the 
procedure outlined in the service manual (the one where you  disconnect the 
switch that senses when the drawer is closed and then you  short certain test 
points to get the drawer to flip to Side A, Side B,  and then the tape flip 
position).

3) I have looked all over the drawer assembly for some kind of mechanical fault, 
but I have found nothing.

So....Why won't this deck's drawer work on Side B, even though Side A works 
perfectly?  Any help will be MUCH APPRECIATED!

THANKS!


*andy*
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From dandhsun at gmail.com  Thu Apr 14 17:03:10 2011
From: dandhsun at gmail.com (Daniel Sun)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 23:03:10 +0800
Subject: [naktalk] "Screeching" Sound in CR-7A
In-Reply-To: <479340.78605.qm@web113319.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <BANLkTik62s2Fzs4sLSXyZYMbvEk-vA-Rag@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <BANLkTikyix03nR05QUPeCrj6F3in8jGEew@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, at firstI thought it was the tape, but it happens with other tapes as
well. Tonight the problem suddenly disappeared and I recorded 2 tapes with
no problem. Could it be the hardening of grease at the pinch rollers?

Daniel

On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 9:07 PM, Russ Seals <r1seals at yahoo.com> wrote:

>   That sounds like the tape try fast forwarding it and then rewind it and
> go from there I have had some prerecord tapes do that don't know if it's the
> slip sheet or the rollers in the cassette but I'm sure that some one on here
> can lend some more advice.
>
>
> --- On *Wed, 4/13/11, Daniel Sun <dandhsun at gmail.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Daniel Sun <dandhsun at gmail.com>
> Subject: [naktalk] "Screeching" Sound in CR-7A
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Date: Wednesday, April 13, 2011, 7:54 PM
>
>
>  Hello everyone. Just last night while recording my CR-7A suddenly emitted
> a "high pitch" screeching sound, this occurs only in playback and recording
> mode. My deck has the gear drive upgrade and it sounds like friction to me
> when rubber parts rub against each other. Would the machine sustain more
> injury if I keep it playing? Hope this issue could be easily solved.
>
> Rgds,
>
> Daniel
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From hhtltd at juno.com  Thu Apr 14 19:28:46 2011
From: hhtltd at juno.com (hhtltd at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 13:28:46 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] RX-505: I'm Stumped
Message-ID: <20110414.132846.2624.1.hhtltd@juno.com>

Does this happen with any tape or just the onyou use for your tests?

On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 00:26:00 +0000 (UTC) hwbosshoss at comcast.net writes:
Hi, Everyone:

I have a repair on my workbench that is a real puzzle.

It's an RX-505 in mint condition.

It will ALWAYS load and play a tape on Side A.  No problems at all.

It will NEVER load or play a tape on Side B. The drawer closes, and after
a few seconds, it opens again.  If I try to fool it by playing a tape on
Side A and then hitting the REVERSE button, the same thing happens -- it
flips to Side B, and after a few seconds, the drawer opens again.

It is VERY SIGNIFICANT to note that when the drawer closes on Side A, the
take-up reel spins to tension the tape, but this NEVER happens when the
drawer closes on Side B.  It's as if the deck doesn't "realize" that the
drawer is closed on Side B.  Since it doesn't "realize" the drawer is
closed on Side B, the take-up reel doesn't spin, and the Play/FF/RW
functions are not available.

I have done the following:

1) I have replaced the auto-reverse (UDAR) belt with an exact
replacement.  I MADE SURE TO REPOSITION THE DRAWER GEARS IN THE PROPER
ORIENTATION WITH EACH OTHER, according to the service manual.

2) I have re-calibrated the drawer open/close and tape flip action, using
the procedure outlined in the service manual (the one where you
disconnect the switch that senses when the drawer is closed and then you
short certain test points to get the drawer to flip to Side A, Side B,
and then the tape flip position).

3) I have looked all over the drawer assembly for some kind of mechanical
fault, but I have found nothing.

So....Why won't this deck's drawer work on Side B, even though Side A
works perfectly?  Any help will be MUCH APPRECIATED!

THANKS!


*andy*
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From willy at willyhermannservices.com  Thu Apr 14 22:31:56 2011
From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 12:31:56 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] RX-505: I'm Stumped
In-Reply-To: <20110414.132846.2624.1.hhtltd@juno.com>
References: <20110414.132846.2624.1.hhtltd@juno.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTikZw57QQNaFnozUXei6ig5xGpsEsQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Andy -

I have given this much thought over the last couple of days and can only
come up with one thing - you didn't really get the gears back in the right
place.  It's a real bitch to see those little marks and if it's off one gear
it will do exactly what you're describing.  I can't think of anything else.
 The stop sensor is the same for A and B sides and you said you could
calibrate it anyway.  Take a close look at the marks - there are two spots
where you can see meshing gears - each one has a pair of marks.

Best of luck.

Willy

On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 9:28 AM, <hhtltd at juno.com> wrote:

>  Does this happen with any tape or just the onyou use for your tests?
>
> On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 00:26:00 +0000 (UTC) hwbosshoss at comcast.net writes:
>
> Hi, Everyone:
>
> I have a repair on my workbench that is a real puzzle.
>
> It's an RX-505 in mint condition.
>
> It will ALWAYS load and play a tape on Side A.  No problems at all.
>
> It will NEVER load or play a tape on Side B. The drawer closes, and after a
> few seconds, it opens again.  If I try to fool it by playing a tape on Side
> A and then hitting the REVERSE button, the same thing happens -- it flips to
> Side B, and after a few seconds, the drawer opens again.
>
> It is VERY SIGNIFICANT to note that when the drawer closes on Side A, the
> take-up reel spins to tension the tape, but this NEVER happens when the
> drawer closes on Side B.  It's as if the deck doesn't "realize" that the
> drawer is closed on Side B.  Since it doesn't "realize" the drawer is closed
> on Side B, the take-up reel doesn't spin, and the Play/FF/RW functions are
> not available.
>
> I have done the following:
>
> 1) I have replaced the auto-reverse (UDAR) belt with an exact replacement.
> I MADE SURE TO REPOSITION THE DRAWER GEARS IN THE PROPER ORIENTATION WITH
> EACH OTHER, according to the service manual.
>
> 2) I have re-calibrated the drawer open/close and tape flip action, using
> the procedure outlined in the service manual (the one where you disconnect
> the switch that senses when the drawer is closed and then you short certain
> test points to get the drawer to flip to Side A, Side B, and then the tape
> flip position).
>
> 3) I have looked all over the drawer assembly for some kind of mechanical
> fault, but I have found nothing.
>
> So....Why won't this deck's drawer work on Side B, even though Side A works
> perfectly?  Any help will be MUCH APPRECIATED!
>
> THANKS!
>
>
> *andy*
>
>
>
>
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From p9019 at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 14 23:09:27 2011
From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 14:09:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] RX-505: I'm Stumped
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTikZw57QQNaFnozUXei6ig5xGpsEsQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20110414.132846.2624.1.hhtltd@juno.com>
	<BANLkTikZw57QQNaFnozUXei6ig5xGpsEsQ@mail.gmail.com>
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In case anyone wants to see what the marks look like you can see them in the 
picture in step 11.  I wasn't able to get a clear shot of the matching mark for 
the top gear though.
http://www.nakremotes.com/Geo/RX-Series_Belt_Replacement.htm

 



________________________________
From: Willy Hermann <willy at willyhermannservices.com>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thu, April 14, 2011 1:31:56 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX-505: I'm Stumped

Hi Andy - 

I have given this much thought over the last couple of days and can only come up 
with one thing - you didn't really get the gears back in the right place.  It's 
a real bitch to see those little marks and if it's off one gear it will do 
exactly what you're describing.  I can't think of anything else.  The stop 
sensor is the same for A and B sides and you said you could calibrate it anyway. 
 Take a close look at the marks - there are two spots where you can see meshing 
gears - each one has a pair of marks.  

Best of luck.

Willy


On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 9:28 AM, <hhtltd at juno.com> wrote:

Does this happen with any tape or just the onyou use for your tests?
>
>
>On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 00:26:00 +0000 (UTC) hwbosshoss at comcast.net writes:
>Hi, Everyone:
>>
>>I have a repair on my workbench that is a real puzzle.
>>
>>It's an RX-505 in mint condition.
>>
>>It will ALWAYS load and play a tape on Side A.  No problems at all.
>>
>>It will NEVER load or play a tape on Side B. The drawer closes, and after a few 
>>seconds, it opens again.  If I try to fool it by playing a tape on Side A and 
>>then hitting the REVERSE button, the same thing happens -- it flips to Side B, 
>>and after a few seconds, the drawer opens again.
>>
>>It is VERY SIGNIFICANT to note that when the drawer closes on Side A, the 
>>take-up reel spins to tension the tape, but this NEVER happens when the drawer 
>>closes on Side B.  It's as if the deck doesn't "realize" that the drawer is 
>>closed on Side B.  Since it doesn't "realize" the drawer is closed on Side B, 
>>the take-up reel doesn't spin, and the Play/FF/RW functions are not available.
>>
>>I have done the following:
>>
>>1) I have replaced the auto-reverse (UDAR) belt with an exact replacement.  I 
>>MADE SURE TO REPOSITION THE DRAWER GEARS IN THE PROPER ORIENTATION WITH EACH 
>>OTHER, according to the service manual.
>>
>>2) I have re-calibrated the drawer open/close and tape flip action, using the 
>>procedure outlined in the service manual (the one where you disconnect the 
>>switch that senses when the drawer is closed and then you short certain test 
>>points to get the drawer to flip to Side A, Side B, and then the tape flip 
>>position).
>>
>>3) I have looked all over the drawer assembly for some kind of mechanical fault, 
>>but I have found nothing.
>>
>>So....Why won't this deck's drawer work on Side B, even though Side A works 
>>perfectly?  Any help will be MUCH APPRECIATED!
>>
>>THANKS!
>>
>>
>>*andy*
>>
>
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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 15 00:21:59 2011
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 15:21:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] "Screeching" Sound in CR-7A
In-Reply-To: <947368.44964.qm@web130101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <BANLkTik62s2Fzs4sLSXyZYMbvEk-vA-Rag@mail.gmail.com>
	<947368.44964.qm@web130101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <567471.29582.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

This sounds a lot like the sounds that the rollers at the two ends of a cassette 
shell would give. The best way? Do a tape transplant do a 'donor' shell. I keep 
a small stock of metal and ceramic shells that I transplant the tape to - for 
that one last time. 

Bala





________________________________
From: Ron <ronami at yahoo.com>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thu, April 14, 2011 11:14:35 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] "Screeching" Sound in CR-7A



If the high pitched squeaking occurs with a specific cassette, 
try to thoroughly clean the tape path (especially, the heads). 
It this doesn't help, that cassette is probably history. There 
are several schemes (search the web) for making it work for 
one last time, for copying it. 

If the noise occurs with all cassettes, press Play with no 
cassette in the well, but apply friction to the take up hub 
with two fingers, so it will rotate, but slower than it wants. 

If all is quiet, this exonerates the take up components, so I 
would suspect the supply hub components. To check those, 
press Play and with your fingers forcefully turn the supply 
hub counterclockwise. If the motion is rough or noise is 
actually heard, you know where to investigate  further...

Good luck,

-- Ron 





________________________________
From: Daniel Sun <dandhsun at gmail.com>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wed, April 13, 2011 8:54:06 PM
Subject: [naktalk] "Screeching" Sound in CR-7A


Hello everyone. Just last night while recording my CR-7A suddenly emitted a 
"high pitch" screeching sound, this occurs only in playback and recording mode. 
My deck has the gear drive upgrade and it sounds like friction to me when rubber 
parts rub against each other. Would the machine sustain more injury if I keep it 
playing? Hope this issue could be easily solved.
 
Rgds,
 
Daniel
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From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com  Sun Apr 17 09:28:01 2011
From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 09:28:01 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL
Message-ID: <DAE838AE-C0F4-4266-8042-5658FA80B2D1@gmail.com>

Dear Willy and all off you Nak Electronics!

Do you know how to look for an Error if a 1000 ZXL just shows

every light from the Range Peak-Level Meters and all calibration  
lights at the same time
aluminized?

If  the Deck is on Power on , every light is on and bright. Without  
any input or output.

Kind Regards


Gerhard


From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Sun Apr 17 10:32:49 2011
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 01:32:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL
In-Reply-To: <DAE838AE-C0F4-4266-8042-5658FA80B2D1@gmail.com>
References: <DAE838AE-C0F4-4266-8042-5658FA80B2D1@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <322957.95984.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Gerhard, 

If a unit that has simply been switched on shows all the indicators 
illuminating, then there is a hardware fault on the deck. The way the ZXL 
displays an error (which it does when there is a problem with the calibration 
only), is by flashing all six rectangular indicators on the ABLE display only. 


Do the indicators change when you press any of the transport controls? Does the 
bar-graph display react when you change the indicator more from VU to peak?

Regards, 
Bala




________________________________
From: Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sun, April 17, 2011 5:28:01 PM
Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL

Dear Willy and all off you Nak Electronics!

Do you know how to look for an Error if a 1000 ZXL just shows

every light from the Range Peak-Level Meters and all calibration lights at the 
same time
aluminized?

If  the Deck is on Power on , every light is on and bright. Without any input or 
output.

Kind Regards


Gerhard
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From jean-jerome.prejean at orange.fr  Fri Apr 15 17:44:50 2011
From: jean-jerome.prejean at orange.fr (Jean-Jerome PREJEAN)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 17:44:50 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [naktalk] (no subject)
Message-ID: <5993123.60829.1302882290866.JavaMail.www@wwinf1h09>

Hi guys !
starting problems on DRAGON
little whistleling at the beginning
kind of weakness and then after 
RWD or FF for a few seconds 
it works normally


From dandhsun at gmail.com  Sat Apr 16 11:37:54 2011
From: dandhsun at gmail.com (Daniel Sun)
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 17:37:54 +0800
Subject: [naktalk] "Screeching" Sound in CR-7A
In-Reply-To: <947368.44964.qm@web130101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <BANLkTik62s2Fzs4sLSXyZYMbvEk-vA-Rag@mail.gmail.com>
	<947368.44964.qm@web130101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTin7PzEL6BGY1zE+s3tRKqFq+spDgA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for all your replies and I have learned a lot, incidentally when the
incident occurred I was recording with TEAC vintage tape from the 1970's, I
immediately tried playing other newer tapes and the same sound occur, I
wonder if it is the  insufficient torque of the take up hub. I tried Ron's
suggestion and applied friction to the take up hub and it easily disengage
in play mode. I cleaned the tape path and so far it is back to normal. I can
recall this happened before and it simply cures itself and reoccurence is
cyclical.

Rgds,

Daniel

On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 11:14 PM, Ron <ronami at yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> If the high pitched squeaking occurs with a specific cassette,
> try to thoroughly clean the tape path (especially, the heads).
> It this doesn't help, that cassette is probably history. There
> are several schemes (search the web) for making it work for
> one last time, for copying it.
>
> If the noise occurs with all cassettes, press Play with no
> cassette in the well, but apply friction to the take up hub
> with two fingers, so it will rotate, but slower than it wants.
>
> If all is quiet, this exonerates the take up components, so I
> would suspect the supply hub components. To check those,
> press Play and with your fingers forcefully turn the supply
> hub counterclockwise. If the motion is rough or noise is
> actually heard, you know where to investigate further...
>
> Good luck,
>
> -- Ron
>
>
>  ------------------------------
> *From:* Daniel Sun <dandhsun at gmail.com>
> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> *Sent:* Wed, April 13, 2011 8:54:06 PM
>
> *Subject:* [naktalk] "Screeching" Sound in CR-7A
>
> Hello everyone. Just last night while recording my CR-7A suddenly emitted a
> "high pitch" screeching sound, this occurs only in playback and recording
> mode. My deck has the gear drive upgrade and it sounds like friction to me
> when rubber parts rub against each other. Would the machine sustain more
> injury if I keep it playing? Hope this issue could be easily solved.
>
> Rgds,
>
> Daniel
>
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From alxwz.no.spam at gmail.com  Sat Apr 16 19:24:20 2011
From: alxwz.no.spam at gmail.com (Alex W.)
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 19:24:20 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] How to tell the age of a Dragon from serial no.?
Message-ID: <BANLkTinSUiKuaFBrwgnk7CFpG9jFcr1-tw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

new to this list, so, first of all, hello to everybody!

I'm thinking about purchasing my first Nak, and I'm about to go for
the king (?), the Dragon.
Given that the Dragon was produced for a long time (1983-1993), I'd
like to know if/how one can tell from its serial no. when that
specific deck was produced.

The very deck in question has the serial no. 801 2xx68 (I x-ed 2
digits out for privacy reasons).
It's a German (220 V) model. Maybe someone here can tell me its age?

Apart from age itself, I wonder whether there are any significant
changes that were made over time.
Any caveats with certain model years?

Regards,
Alex


From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com  Sun Apr 17 14:54:47 2011
From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 14:54:47 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL
In-Reply-To: <322957.95984.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <DAE838AE-C0F4-4266-8042-5658FA80B2D1@gmail.com>
	<322957.95984.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <893988AB-D607-4785-8F7E-A2AB58EF8919@gmail.com>

Hi, Bala,

The indicators do not change by pressing or switching to something.

The Capstan Motor do not move .

Only the lights for calibration and the bar-graph display are full  
alluminated.

all others stay dark and do not give any order by pressing them.

Thank you very much.

Gerhard
Am 17.04.2011 um 10:32 schrieb Bala Ganesh Chandra:

> Hi Gerhard,
>
> If a unit that has simply been switched on shows all the indicators  
> illuminating, then there is a hardware fault on the deck. The way  
> the ZXL displays an error (which it does when there is a problem  
> with the calibration only), is by flashing all six rectangular  
> indicators on the ABLE display only.
>
> Do the indicators change when you press any of the transport  
> controls? Does the bar-graph display react when you change the  
> indicator more from VU to peak?
>
> Regards,
> Bala
>
> From: Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com>
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Sun, April 17, 2011 5:28:01 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL
>
> Dear Willy and all off you Nak Electronics!
>
> Do you know how to look for an Error if a 1000 ZXL just shows
>
> every light from the Range Peak-Level Meters and all calibration  
> lights at the same time
> aluminized?
>
> If  the Deck is on Power on , every light is on and bright. Without  
> any input or output.
>
> Kind Regards
>
>
> Gerhard
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From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com  Sun Apr 17 15:34:04 2011
From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 15:34:04 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] How to tell the age of a Dragon from serial no.?
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTinSUiKuaFBrwgnk7CFpG9jFcr1-tw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTinSUiKuaFBrwgnk7CFpG9jFcr1-tw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B4DE11FD-219B-40B4-A450-3CFA81403BB2@gmail.com>

The age of the Deck is not so important.

More Important is the using modus from the Deck.

It should been used with good cassettes and not   all  day long.

The Deck should not stay still without any use for a long time.

There have been small changes from 1983 to 1993.

You do not get a "newer or older  Deck", There are all old and need  
some attention.

Look close to the heads if you buy one.

A 240 Volt model would be little better if you use it with 230Volt.

Some Transformers  can be soldered from 220 Volt/EU to 240 Volt/ 
Australia and GB.

The Dragon is  only one off the kings. There all little different Kings.

There are like tools, every different tool for a little different use.

reagards

Gerhard



Am 16.04.2011 um 19:24 schrieb Alex W.:

> Hi,
>
> new to this list, so, first of all, hello to everybody!
>
> I'm thinking about purchasing my first Nak, and I'm about to go for
> the king (?), the Dragon.
> Given that the Dragon was produced for a long time (1983-1993), I'd
> like to know if/how one can tell from its serial no. when that
> specific deck was produced.
>
> The very deck in question has the serial no. 801 2xx68 (I x-ed 2
> digits out for privacy reasons).
> It's a German (220 V) model. Maybe someone here can tell me its age?
>
> Apart from age itself, I wonder whether there are any significant
> changes that were made over time.
> Any caveats with certain model years?
>
> Regards,
> Alex
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From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com  Sun Apr 17 16:38:41 2011
From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 07:38:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] How to tell the age of a Dragon from serial no.?
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTinSUiKuaFBrwgnk7CFpG9jFcr1-tw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <583384.95572.qm@web112703.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hi Alex,
Welcome to the Nak Mecca.
Dragon is a good choice and your serial number appears to be manufactured in late 1988 or early 1989. Check for a round black and white sticker on the back of the deck towards the right side for a year and the three month code around it. Thats the quarter of production in that year.
Having said that, Dragon is finicky piece of machinery that needs to be used and serviced to function as intended by Nak. Willy Herman of California and ESL Labs are two trustworthy service centers in the USA, if you ever need service.
Finally, although the most popular Nak,bar none, the Dragon is not King of Naks( arguably). That accolade goes to the 1000ZXL.
Good luck with your machine.
Ram.


--- On Sat, 4/16/11, Alex W. <alxwz.no.spam at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Alex W. <alxwz.no.spam at gmail.com>
Subject: [naktalk] How to tell the age of a Dragon from serial no.?
To: naktalk at naks.com
Date: Saturday, April 16, 2011, 1:24 PM

Hi,

new to this list, so, first of all, hello to everybody!

I'm thinking about purchasing my first Nak, and I'm about to go for
the king (?), the Dragon.
Given that the Dragon was produced for a long time (1983-1993), I'd
like to know if/how one can tell from its serial no. when that
specific deck was produced.

The very deck in question has the serial no. 801 2xx68 (I x-ed 2
digits out for privacy reasons).
It's a German (220 V) model. Maybe someone here can tell me its age?

Apart from age itself, I wonder whether there are any significant
changes that were made over time.
Any caveats with certain model years?

Regards,
Alex
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From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com  Sun Apr 17 16:40:53 2011
From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 07:40:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] (no subject)
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Check your cam mode belt and replace it. If not cured, you need a service enter!
Ram.

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Subject: [naktalk] (no subject)
To: naktalk at naks.com
Date: Friday, April 15, 2011, 11:44 AM

Hi guys !
starting problems on DRAGON
little whistleling at the beginning
kind of weakness and then after 
RWD or FF for a few seconds 
it works normally
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From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com  Sun Apr 17 18:33:54 2011
From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 09:33:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon year!
Message-ID: <913568.43211.qm@web112715.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Sorry Alex...rushed a bit. The serial number you indicate( 20xx68) is likely a deck of the early 199s
Mostly 1991-1992 depending upon the second two xxs.
 
The importance of a more recent Dragon is all required mods are already in the newer deck.
Thanks and good luck.
Ram.

Hi Alex,
Welcome to the Nak Mecca.
Dragon is a good choice and your serial number appears to be manufactured in late 1988 or early 1989. Check for a round black and white sticker on the back of the deck towards the right side for a year and the three month code around it. Thats the quarter of production in that year.
Having said that, Dragon is finicky piece of machinery that needs to be used and serviced to function as intended by Nak. Willy Herman of California and ESL Labs are two trustworthy service centers in the USA, if you ever need service.
Finally, although the most popular Nak,bar none, the Dragon is not King of Naks( arguably). That accolade goes to the 1000ZXL.
Good luck with your machine.
Ram.


--- On Sat, 4/16/11, Alex W. <alxwz.no.spam at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Alex W. <alxwz.no.spam at gmail.com>
Subject: [naktalk] How to tell the age of a Dragon from serial no.?
To: naktalk at naks.com
Date: Saturday, April 16, 2011, 1:24 PM

Hi,

new to this list, so, first of all, hello to everybody!

I'm thinking about purchasing my first Nak, and I'm about to go for
the king (?), the Dragon.
Given that the Dragon was produced for a long time (1983-1993), I'd
like to know if/how one can tell from its serial no. when that
specific deck was produced.

The very deck in question has the serial no. 801 2xx68 (I x-ed 2
digits out for privacy reasons).
It's a German (220 V) model. Maybe someone here can tell me its age?

Apart from age itself, I wonder whether there are any significant
changes that were made over time.
Any caveats with certain model years?

Regards,
Alex
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From mark8559 at hotmail.com  Sun Apr 17 20:06:30 2011
From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 12:06:30 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Tape Web Site
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I'm unable to find that web site which shows some 240 different cassette 
tapes all in their sealed plastic wraping.
This link was posted on Naktalk many years ago. Sorry to say I lost all my 
email years ago and just can't find this cassette tape link.
My sealed cassette tape collection consists of 84 different tapes! Yes they're 
all different. No two tapes have the identical length, time, type, wraping, 
brand, etc.
Your help is greatly appreciated. 		 	   		  
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From alxwz.no.spam at gmail.com  Sun Apr 17 17:54:33 2011
From: alxwz.no.spam at gmail.com (Alex W.)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 17:54:33 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] How to tell the age of a Dragon from serial no.?
In-Reply-To: <583384.95572.qm@web112703.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <BANLkTinSUiKuaFBrwgnk7CFpG9jFcr1-tw@mail.gmail.com>
	<583384.95572.qm@web112703.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTinourNnYwW+1j2Rx3=_RZq0V-f1pA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

thanks for the replies.

It seems editing out those 2 digits wasn't such a great idea, so I'll
give you another digit:
801 23x68

I've found reports of 26xxx serial numbers being from 1989 or 1990.

Does the 801 indicate the model (Dragon) or the country it was produced for?
I've also seen "A801" serial numbers.

Thanks also for pointing out good service centers. However, sending a
deck to North America is not practical for me.
Any good service centers in Germany or elsewhere in Europe?

Regards,
Alex

On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 16:38, shanti ramachandran
<shantiram2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Alex,
> Welcome to the Nak Mecca.
> Dragon is a good choice and your serial number appears to be manufactured in late 1988 or early 1989. Check for a round black and white sticker on the back of the deck towards the right side for a year and the three month code around it. Thats the quarter of production in that year.
> Having said that, Dragon is finicky piece of machinery that needs to be used and serviced to function as intended by Nak. Willy Herman of California and ESL Labs are two trustworthy service centers in the USA, if you ever need service.
> Finally, although the most popular Nak,bar none, the Dragon is not King of Naks( arguably). That accolade goes to the 1000ZXL.
> Good luck with your machine.
> Ram.
>
>
> --- On Sat, 4/16/11, Alex W. <alxwz.no.spam at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Alex W. <alxwz.no.spam at gmail.com>
> Subject: [naktalk] How to tell the age of a Dragon from serial no.?
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Date: Saturday, April 16, 2011, 1:24 PM
>
> Hi,
>
> new to this list, so, first of all, hello to everybody!
>
> I'm thinking about purchasing my first Nak, and I'm about to go for
> the king (?), the Dragon.
> Given that the Dragon was produced for a long time (1983-1993), I'd
> like to know if/how one can tell from its serial no. when that
> specific deck was produced.
>
> The very deck in question has the serial no. 801 2xx68 (I x-ed 2
> digits out for privacy reasons).
> It's a German (220 V) model. Maybe someone here can tell me its age?
>
> Apart from age itself, I wonder whether there are any significant
> changes that were made over time.
> Any caveats with certain model years?
>
> Regards,
> Alex
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>
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From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com  Sun Apr 17 20:48:34 2011
From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 11:48:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Tape Web Site
In-Reply-To: <SNT111-W1A5B0EF836B3A9B13BDE4DBAE0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <545050.75031.qm@web112716.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Was it the following.?

http://vintagecassettes.com/

Ram.


--- On Sun, 4/17/11, Mark Exstedt <mark8559 at hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Mark Exstedt <mark8559 at hotmail.com>
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Tape Web Site
To: naktalk at naks.com
Date: Sunday, April 17, 2011, 2:06 PM




I'm unable to find that web site which shows some 240 different cassette 

tapes all in their sealed plastic wraping.

This link was posted on Naktalk many years ago. Sorry to say I lost all my 

email years ago and just can't find this cassette tape link.

My sealed cassette tape collection consists of 84 different tapes! Yes they're 

all different. No two tapes have the identical length, time, type, wraping, 

brand, etc.

Your help is greatly appreciated.
 		 	   		  

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From p9019 at yahoo.com  Sun Apr 17 21:12:58 2011
From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 12:12:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Tape Web Site
In-Reply-To: <SNT111-W1A5B0EF836B3A9B13BDE4DBAE0@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT111-W1A5B0EF836B3A9B13BDE4DBAE0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <476967.6356.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I have this posted on my Nakamichi FAQ web page

Amazing collection of pictures of cassette tapes from virtually every 
manufacturer. 547 pictures in all. 
http://zabava.septem.cz/Blbustky/obrazky/kazety/
and Dysoplex "The Blank Tape Gallery" http://www.dysoplex.com/btg/ 
 
BUT, I checked and neither one works.  I post interesting links on my FAQ page 
when they come up, so these are probably the links.




________________________________
From: Mark Exstedt <mark8559 at hotmail.com>
To: naktalk at naks.com
Sent: Sun, April 17, 2011 11:06:30 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Tape Web Site

I'm unable to find that web site which shows some 240 different cassette 
tapes all in their sealed plastic wraping.
This link was posted on Naktalk many years ago. Sorry to say I lost all my 
email years ago and just can't find this cassette tape link.
My sealed cassette tape collection consists of 84 different tapes! Yes they're 
all different. No two tapes have the identical length, time, type, wraping, 
brand, etc.
Your help is greatly appreciated.
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From p9019 at yahoo.com  Sun Apr 17 21:19:18 2011
From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 12:19:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Tape Web Site
In-Reply-To: <SNT111-W1A5B0EF836B3A9B13BDE4DBAE0@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT111-W1A5B0EF836B3A9B13BDE4DBAE0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <45417.31225.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I found this page, but, it's kind of lame compared to the massive blank tape 
gallery I saw a few years ago.




________________________________
From: Mark Exstedt <mark8559 at hotmail.com>
To: naktalk at naks.com
Sent: Sun, April 17, 2011 11:06:30 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Tape Web Site

I'm unable to find that web site which shows some 240 different cassette 
tapes all in their sealed plastic wraping.
This link was posted on Naktalk many years ago. Sorry to say I lost all my 
email years ago and just can't find this cassette tape link.
My sealed cassette tape collection consists of 84 different tapes! Yes they're 
all different. No two tapes have the identical length, time, type, wraping, 
brand, etc.
Your help is greatly appreciated.
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From p9019 at yahoo.com  Sun Apr 17 21:19:33 2011
From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 12:19:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Tape Web Site - OOPS forgot to include the link
In-Reply-To: <SNT111-W1A5B0EF836B3A9B13BDE4DBAE0@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT111-W1A5B0EF836B3A9B13BDE4DBAE0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <492318.19321.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

http://www.btgallery.com/




________________________________
From: Mark Exstedt <mark8559 at hotmail.com>
To: naktalk at naks.com
Sent: Sun, April 17, 2011 11:06:30 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Tape Web Site

I'm unable to find that web site which shows some 240 different cassette 
tapes all in their sealed plastic wraping.
This link was posted on Naktalk many years ago. Sorry to say I lost all my 
email years ago and just can't find this cassette tape link.
My sealed cassette tape collection consists of 84 different tapes! Yes they're 
all different. No two tapes have the identical length, time, type, wraping, 
brand, etc.
Your help is greatly appreciated.
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From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com  Sun Apr 17 22:29:24 2011
From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 13:29:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] How to tell the age of a Dragon from serial no.?
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTinourNnYwW+1j2Rx3=_RZq0V-f1pA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <603895.17761.qm@web112704.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Your 26xxx series is from 1989 as is one example of mine.A801 is the code name for Dragon( all Dragn's have this prefix)

I am sure you can send your deck to Britain's B&W for service. They are still servicing all Naks except the 1000ZXL.

Ram.

--- On Sun, 4/17/11, Alex W. <alxwz.no.spam at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Alex W. <alxwz.no.spam at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] How to tell the age of a Dragon from serial no.?
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Sunday, April 17, 2011, 11:54 AM

Hi,

thanks for the replies.

It seems editing out those 2 digits wasn't such a great idea, so I'll
give you another digit:
801 23x68

I've found reports of 26xxx serial numbers being from 1989 or 1990.

Does the 801 indicate the model (Dragon) or the country it was produced for?
I've also seen "A801" serial numbers.

Thanks also for pointing out good service centers. However, sending a
deck to North America is not practical for me.
Any good service centers in Germany or elsewhere in Europe?

Regards,
Alex

On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 16:38, shanti ramachandran
<shantiram2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Alex,
> Welcome to the Nak Mecca.
> Dragon is a good choice and your serial number appears to be manufactured in late 1988 or early 1989. Check for a round black and white sticker on the back of the deck towards the right side for a year and the three month code around it. Thats the quarter of production in that year.
> Having said that, Dragon is finicky piece of machinery that needs to be used and serviced to function as intended by Nak. Willy Herman of California and ESL Labs are two trustworthy service centers in the USA, if you ever need service.
> Finally, although the most popular Nak,bar none, the Dragon is not King of Naks( arguably). That accolade goes to the 1000ZXL.
> Good luck with your machine.
> Ram.
>
>
> --- On Sat, 4/16/11, Alex W. <alxwz.no.spam at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Alex W. <alxwz.no.spam at gmail.com>
> Subject: [naktalk] How to tell the age of a Dragon from serial no.?
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Date: Saturday, April 16, 2011, 1:24 PM
>
> Hi,
>
> new to this list, so, first of all, hello to everybody!
>
> I'm thinking about purchasing my first Nak, and I'm about to go for
> the king (?), the Dragon.
> Given that the Dragon was produced for a long time (1983-1993), I'd
> like to know if/how one can tell from its serial no. when that
> specific deck was produced.
>
> The very deck in question has the serial no. 801 2xx68 (I x-ed 2
> digits out for privacy reasons).
> It's a German (220 V) model. Maybe someone here can tell me its age?
>
> Apart from age itself, I wonder whether there are any significant
> changes that were made over time.
> Any caveats with certain model years?
>
> Regards,
> Alex
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>
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From mark8559 at hotmail.com  Sun Apr 17 22:45:28 2011
From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 14:45:28 -0600
Subject: FW: [naktalk] Cassette Tape Web Site
In-Reply-To: <545050.75031.qm@web112716.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <SNT111-W1A5B0EF836B3A9B13BDE4DBAE0@phx.gbl>,
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Message-ID: <SNT111-W3292EDB3BF2015CE0B0FF9DBAE0@phx.gbl>


You're probably right. The web site may have changed their formatting. 
I remembered seeing hundreds of cassettes all listed on the same page/screen.

 


Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 11:48:34 -0700
From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Tape Web Site
To: naktalk at naks.com





Was it the following.?

http://vintagecassettes.com/

Ram.


--- On Sun, 4/17/11, Mark Exstedt <mark8559 at hotmail.com> wrote:


From: Mark Exstedt <mark8559 at hotmail.com>
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Tape Web Site
To: naktalk at naks.com
Date: Sunday, April 17, 2011, 2:06 PM




I'm unable to find that web site which shows some 240 different cassette 
tapes all in their sealed plastic wraping.
This link was posted on Naktalk many years ago. Sorry to say I lost all my 
email years ago and just can't find this cassette tape link.
My sealed cassette tape collection consists of 84 different tapes! Yes they're 
all different. No two tapes have the identical length, time, type, wraping, 
brand, etc.
Your help is greatly appreciated.

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From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 14:56:15 -0600
Subject: FW: [naktalk] Cassette Tape Web Site
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References: <SNT111-W1A5B0EF836B3A9B13BDE4DBAE0@phx.gbl>,
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That link must be the one! Too bad neither link works.
547 pictures!
Thank you Scott and Ram for your help!
 


Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 12:12:58 -0700
From: p9019 at yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Tape Web Site
To: naktalk at naks.com






I have this posted on my Nakamichi FAQ web page
 
Amazing collection of pictures of cassette tapes from virtually every manufacturer. 547 pictures in all. http://zabava.septem.cz/Blbustky/obrazky/kazety/
and Dysoplex "The Blank Tape Gallery" http://www.dysoplex.com/btg/ 
 
BUT, I checked and neither one works.  I post interesting links on my FAQ page when they come up, so these are probably the links.






From: Mark Exstedt <mark8559 at hotmail.com>
To: naktalk at naks.com
Sent: Sun, April 17, 2011 11:06:30 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Tape Web Site



I'm unable to find that web site which shows some 240 different cassette 
tapes all in their sealed plastic wraping.
This link was posted on Naktalk many years ago. Sorry to say I lost all my 
email years ago and just can't find this cassette tape link.
My sealed cassette tape collection consists of 84 different tapes! Yes they're 
all different. No two tapes have the identical length, time, type, wraping, 
brand, etc.
Your help is greatly appreciated.

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From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 18 00:26:32 2011
From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 15:26:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] A functional Dragon Wireless Remote!
Message-ID: <793776.15077.qm@web112708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hi friends,

I have been watching ebay trades for remotes for the Dragon tape deck for a while now and it seems to be getting obscene with prices topping $400 most recently. The question that kept bothering me was" Is a wired remote( the RM20) worth even $200? I thought not, being the right sided brain's buddy. Of course, the left side of the brain does make me indulge irrationally from time to time.But $200 for a remote an that too wired? nah...I was not going to plunk that kind of money. Ad $400 was definitely too much!

I had purchased( a few years ago) our fellow member, Scott Johnson's remote for Naks wihtout its power supply( 12 v dc) and after reading on hi web site, opened up my remote control unit and removed the third jumper( there are 3 of them, one below the other in the older version). After this I plugged in the remote 7-8 pin into the back of my Dragon and powered the remote( Dragon does not power remotes from the remote socket)

 Once the pilot power light lights up, use the supplied wireless remote as usual with only oe excepton. To reverse play the Dragon, press the One(1) button on the remote and voila, the One button makes the deck go to reverse play mode. To play the Dragon on forward play, simply press the play icon button. Thats it. Now I ave a remote that controls all Dragon remote functions and that too unwired! Whats more,when you either FF or REW via the remote and in these modes press the pause button on the remote(not the deck) , the deck goes into the cue mode like the classic transport decks do.

I do not know if any one here has tried this or not, but I detailed this just so if you have Scott's remote, especially the first generation unit, you can use it with the Dragon pretty well. Just get a 12V dc transformer and remove jumper number three( bottom most one).

So why buy an RM20 anymore?? Collector? Ok alright then. But here is a cheaper and much more efficient way out.

Hope this helps at least one person. It did me. Thanks Scott.

Ram.
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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 18 01:44:11 2011
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 16:44:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL
In-Reply-To: <893988AB-D607-4785-8F7E-A2AB58EF8919@gmail.com>
References: <DAE838AE-C0F4-4266-8042-5658FA80B2D1@gmail.com>
	<322957.95984.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<893988AB-D607-4785-8F7E-A2AB58EF8919@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <991880.45035.qm@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Gerhard, 

I was expecting that. The 12volt should be working because there is one master 
supply to the deck that powers most electronics, capstan motors and lamps. The 
negative bias voltage for the VFD is also good. What seems to be a problem is 
the electronics as the light switching transistors seem to be permanently in the 
on position (shorted?) and the capstan electronics are not responding. If the 
deck was working well previously, I suppose you could start isolating the logic 
board and work your way troubleshooting from there. 


Check the capstan circuit first and see what the problem is. It is an always on 
circuit, so that has got to be turning. Next, take a look at the transport logic 
controls which are a group of logic gates and see if they react and latch 
accordingly. 


Regards, 
Bala 





________________________________
From: Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sun, April 17, 2011 8:54:47 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL

Hi, Bala,

The indicators do not change by pressing or switching to something.

The Capstan Motor do not move .

Only the lights for calibration and the bar-graph display are full alluminated.

all others stay dark and do not give any order by pressing them.

Thank you very much.

Gerhard
Am 17.04.2011 um 10:32 schrieb Bala Ganesh Chandra:

Hi Gerhard, 
>
>If a unit that has simply been switched on shows all the indicators 
>illuminating, then there is a hardware fault on the deck. The way the ZXL 
>displays an error (which it does when there is a problem with the calibration 
>only), is by flashing all six rectangular indicators on the ABLE display only. 
>
>
>Do the indicators change when you press any of the transport controls? Does the 
>bar-graph display react when you change the indicator more from VU to peak?
>
>Regards, 
>Bala
>
>
>
>
________________________________
From: Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com>
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>Sent: Sun, April 17, 2011 5:28:01 PM
>Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL
>
>Dear Willy and all off you Nak Electronics!
>
>Do you know how to look for an Error if a 1000 ZXL just shows
>
>every light from the Range Peak-Level Meters and all calibration lights at the 
>same time
>aluminized?
>
>If  the Deck is on Power on , every light is on and bright. Without any input or 
>output.
>
>Kind Regards
>
>
>Gerhard
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From mark8559 at hotmail.com  Mon Apr 18 03:05:03 2011
From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 19:05:03 -0600
Subject: FW: [naktalk] A functional Dragon Wireless Remote!
In-Reply-To: <793776.15077.qm@web112708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <793776.15077.qm@web112708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <SNT111-W191ECDA56A3673C3F06A1EDB910@phx.gbl>


You're absolutely right Ram.
I sold one Dragon RM20 remote lat year for $229 and the highest price I was aware of was $299.
It makes a lot of sense to buy Scott Johnson's wireless remote control units.
I also have one for the Nakamichi ST-7 tuner and get 16 stations via remote!
(For the record: I did an A/B comparison test of the ST-7 to the McIntosh MR78 tuner and there was no or very little difference in sound quality.)
I have yet to hook up the remote to the Dragon, since mine is mainly intended for recording purposes and gets minimum use.
 


Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 15:26:32 -0700
From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] A functional Dragon Wireless Remote!





Hi friends,

I have been watching ebay trades for remotes for the Dragon tape deck for a while now and it seems to be getting obscene with prices topping $400 most recently. The question that kept bothering me was" Is a wired remote( the RM20) worth even $200? I thought not, being the right sided brain's buddy. Of course, the left side of the brain does make me indulge irrationally from time to time.But $200 for a remote an that too wired? nah...I was not going to plunk that kind of money. Ad $400 was definitely too much!

I had purchased( a few years ago) our fellow member, Scott Johnson's remote for Naks wihtout its power supply( 12 v dc) and after reading on hi web site, opened up my remote control unit and removed the third jumper( there are 3 of them, one below the other in the older version). After this I plugged in the remote 7-8 pin into the back of my Dragon and powered the remote( Dragon does not power remotes from the remote socket)

 Once the pilot power light lights up, use the supplied wireless remote as usual with only oe excepton. To reverse play the Dragon, press the One(1) button on the remote and voila, the One button makes the deck go to reverse play mode. To play the Dragon on forward play, simply press the play icon button. Thats it. Now I ave a remote that controls all Dragon remote functions and that too unwired! Whats more,when you either FF or REW via the remote and in these modes press the pause button on the remote(not the deck) , the deck goes into the cue mode like the classic transport decks do.

I do not know if any one here has tried this or not, but I detailed this just so if you have Scott's remote, especially the first generation unit, you can use it with the Dragon pretty well. Just get a 12V dc transformer and remove jumper number three( bottom most one).

So why buy an RM20 anymore?? Collector? Ok alright then. But here is a cheaper and much more efficient way out.

Hope this helps at least one person. It did me. Thanks Scott.

Ram.
.



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From ronami at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 18 04:22:11 2011
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 19:22:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL
In-Reply-To: <991880.45035.qm@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <DAE838AE-C0F4-4266-8042-5658FA80B2D1@gmail.com>
	<322957.95984.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<893988AB-D607-4785-8F7E-A2AB58EF8919@gmail.com>
	<991880.45035.qm@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <638198.33858.qm@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

This smells like a power supply issue. I think it's best 
(also, the easiest) to start by verifying that all voltages 
are OK and, if not, correct that problem first. 

Good luck,

-- Ron






________________________________
From: Bala Ganesh Chandra <bg3009 at yahoo.com>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sun, April 17, 2011 7:44:11 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL


Hi Gerhard, 

I was expecting that. The 12volt should be working because there is one master 
supply to the deck that powers most electronics, capstan motors and lamps. The 
negative bias voltage for the VFD is also good. What seems to be a problem is 
the electronics as the light switching transistors seem to be permanently in the 
on position (shorted?) and the capstan electronics are not responding. If the 
deck was working well previously, I suppose you could start isolating the logic 
board and work your way troubleshooting from there. 


Check the capstan circuit first and see what the problem is. It is an always on 
circuit, so that has got to be turning. Next, take a look at the transport logic 
controls which are a group of logic gates and see if they react and latch 
accordingly. 


Regards, 
Bala 





________________________________
From: Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sun, April 17, 2011 8:54:47 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL

Hi, Bala,

The indicators do not change by pressing or switching to something.

The Capstan Motor do not move .

Only the lights for calibration and the bar-graph display are full alluminated.

all others stay dark and do not give any order by pressing them.

Thank you very much.

Gerhard
Am 17.04.2011 um 10:32 schrieb Bala Ganesh Chandra:

Hi Gerhard, 
>
>If a unit that has simply been switched on shows all the indicators 
>illuminating, then there is a hardware fault on the deck. The way the ZXL 
>displays an error (which it does when there is a problem with the calibration 
>only), is by flashing all six rectangular indicators on the ABLE display only. 
>
>
>Do the indicators change when you press any of the transport controls? Does the 
>bar-graph display react when you change the indicator more from VU to peak?
>
>Regards, 
>Bala
>
>
>
>
________________________________
From: Gerhard Wartha <gerhard.wartha at gmail.com>
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>Sent: Sun, April 17, 2011 5:28:01 PM
>Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL
>
>Dear Willy and all off you Nak Electronics!
>
>Do you know how to look for an Error if a 1000 ZXL just shows
>
>every light from the Range Peak-Level Meters and all calibration lights at the 
>same time
>aluminized?
>
>If  the Deck is on Power on , every light is on and bright. Without any input or 
>output.
>
>Kind Regards
>
>
>Gerhard
>========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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>========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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>
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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 18 04:22:24 2011
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 19:22:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] A functional Dragon Wireless Remote!
In-Reply-To: <SNT111-W191ECDA56A3673C3F06A1EDB910@phx.gbl>
References: <793776.15077.qm@web112708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<SNT111-W191ECDA56A3673C3F06A1EDB910@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <27208.19719.qm@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Mark, 

The real strength of the MR78 has to be its selectivity. I am not a fan of the 
sound quality of the MR-78, but one can never argue about it's selectivity and 
sensitivity. I was just awestruck of the way how it used to pull stations even 
without an antennae connected. With a good antennae like the Turk or Magnum 
Dynalab, it just gets much better. With a simple one element antennae, the same 
station starts sounding more warmer and better bass drive. With multipath issues 
sorted out (with an McIntosh MPI scope), treble and transparency gets even 
better.  Sound quality wise, the MR-80 is fantastic although it can be fiddly. 
The '78 is the sound of tuner that gets people all crazy because it reveals the 
quality of the signal being fed in.

But you know whats the biggest irony of it all? Some '78s start going crazy and 
produce a pop and crackling sound. The heart of the problem, I am told is an 
orange cap! 


Bala 





________________________________
From: Mark Exstedt <mark8559 at hotmail.com>
To: naktalk at naks.com
Sent: Mon, April 18, 2011 11:05:03 AM
Subject: FW: [naktalk] A functional Dragon Wireless Remote!

 You're absolutely right Ram.
I sold one Dragon RM20 remote lat year for $229 and the highest price I was 
aware of was $299.
It makes a lot of sense to buy Scott Johnson's wireless remote control units.
I also have one for the Nakamichi ST-7 tuner and get 16 stations via remote!
(For the record: I did an A/B comparison test of the ST-7 to the McIntosh MR78 
tuner and there was no or very little difference in sound quality.)
I have yet to hook up the remote to the Dragon, since mine is mainly intended 
for recording purposes and gets minimum use.
 
________________________________
 Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 15:26:32 -0700
From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] A functional Dragon Wireless Remote!


Hi friends,

I have been watching ebay trades for remotes for the Dragon tape deck for a 
while now and it seems to be getting obscene with prices topping $400 most 
recently. The question that kept bothering me was" Is a wired remote( the RM20) 
worth even $200? I thought not, being the right sided brain's buddy. Of course, 
the left side of the brain does make me indulge irrationally from time to 
time.But $200 for a remote an that too wired? nah...I was not going to plunk 
that kind of money. Ad $400 was definitely too much!

I had purchased( a few years ago) our fellow member, Scott Johnson's remote for 
Naks wihtout its power supply( 12 v dc) and after reading on hi web site, opened 
up my remote control unit and removed the third jumper( there are 3 of them, one 
below the other in the older version). After this I plugged in the remote 7-8 
pin into the back of my Dragon and powered the remote( Dragon does not power 
remotes from the remote socket)

 Once the pilot power light lights up, use the supplied wireless remote as usual 
with only oe excepton. To reverse play the Dragon, press the One(1) button on 
the remote and voila, the One button makes the deck go to reverse play mode. To 
play the Dragon on forward play, simply press the play icon button. Thats it. 
Now I ave a remote that controls all Dragon remote functions and that too 
unwired! Whats more,when you either FF or REW via the remote and in these modes 
press the pause button on the remote(not the deck) , the deck goes into the cue 
mode like the classic transport decks do.

I do not know if any one here has tried this or not, but I detailed this just so 
if you have Scott's remote, especially the first generation unit, you can use it 
with the Dragon pretty well. Just get a 12V dc transformer and remove jumper 
number three( bottom most one).

So why buy an RM20 anymore?? Collector? Ok alright then. But here is a cheaper 
and much more efficient way out.

Hope this helps at least one person. It did me. Thanks Scott.

Ram.
.


 
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From gabrenas at math.utah.edu  Mon Apr 18 05:16:44 2011
From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 20:16:44 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] A functional Dragon Wireless Remote!
In-Reply-To: <793776.15077.qm@web112708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <793776.15077.qm@web112708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <DB9EBC96-4DF1-4903-A85D-22BB9B9F1E13@math.utah.edu>

Ram, you could link the dragon to a ta series receiver. The remote link controls the deck very well.

Victor M. Gabrenas


On Apr 17, 2011, at 3:26 PM, shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hi friends,
> 
> I have been watching ebay trades for remotes for the Dragon tape deck for a while now and it seems to be getting obscene with prices topping $400 most recently. The question that kept bothering me was" Is a wired remote( the RM20) worth even $200? I thought not, being the right sided brain's buddy. Of course, the left side of the brain does make me indulge irrationally from time to time.But $200 for a remote an that too wired? nah...I was not going to plunk that kind of money. Ad $400 was definitely too much!
> 
> I had purchased( a few years ago) our fellow member, Scott Johnson's remote for Naks wihtout its power supply( 12 v dc) and after reading on hi web site, opened up my remote control unit and removed the third jumper( there are 3 of them, one below the other in the older version). After this I plugged in the remote 7-8 pin into the back of my Dragon and powered the remote( Dragon does not power remotes from the remote socket)
> 
>  Once the pilot power light lights up, use the supplied wireless remote as usual with only oe excepton. To reverse play the Dragon, press the One(1) button on the remote and voila, the One button makes the deck go to reverse play mode. To play the Dragon on forward play, simply press the play icon button. Thats it. Now I ave a remote that controls all Dragon remote functions and that too unwired! Whats more,when you either FF or REW via the remote and in these modes press the pause button on the remote(not the deck) , the deck goes into the cue mode like the classic transport decks do.
> 
> I do not know if any one here has tried this or not, but I detailed this just so if you have Scott's remote, especially the first generation unit, you can use it with the Dragon pretty well. Just get a 12V dc transformer and remove jumper number three( bottom most one).
> 
> So why buy an RM20 anymore?? Collector? Ok alright then. But here is a cheaper and much more efficient way out.
> 
> Hope this helps at least one person. It did me. Thanks Scott.
> 
> Ram.
> .
> 
> 
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From hockeyeast at yahoo.com  Sun Apr 17 22:33:37 2011
From: hockeyeast at yahoo.com (Rich)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 16:33:37 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-C90
Message-ID: <35EAE33E-137D-49A2-B65A-4F22D02863BB@yahoo.com>

Are these so rare or good that they would be worth $100.00 plus? eBay.

Sent from my iPhone


From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk  Mon Apr 18 00:43:24 2011
From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per Borgen)
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 00:43:24 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Tape Web Site
In-Reply-To: <SNT111-W1A5B0EF836B3A9B13BDE4DBAE0@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT111-W1A5B0EF836B3A9B13BDE4DBAE0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BANLkTinudOK9OzpaBRQnS1FtHMg8dcKiug@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Mark,

Just found this

http://www.tapedeck.org

Hope it might help.

Best Regards

Per


From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Mon Apr 18 09:16:21 2011
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 09:16:21 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] How to tell the age of a Dragon from serial no.?
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTinourNnYwW+1j2Rx3=_RZq0V-f1pA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTinSUiKuaFBrwgnk7CFpG9jFcr1-tw@mail.gmail.com>
	<583384.95572.qm@web112703.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<BANLkTinourNnYwW+1j2Rx3=_RZq0V-f1pA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9db10d53e294838bd2e821c683d8792e.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>

According to registration database @ naks.com 23xxx is around 87/88.
Registrated Dragons in the database go as high as 3xxxx for 1993

Wouter

> Hi,
>
> thanks for the replies.
>
> It seems editing out those 2 digits wasn't such a great idea, so I'll
> give you another digit:
> 801 23x68
>
> I've found reports of 26xxx serial numbers being from 1989 or 1990.
>
> Does the 801 indicate the model (Dragon) or the country it was produced
> for?
> I've also seen "A801" serial numbers.
>
> Thanks also for pointing out good service centers. However, sending a
> deck to North America is not practical for me.
> Any good service centers in Germany or elsewhere in Europe?
>
> Regards,
> Alex
>
> On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 16:38, shanti ramachandran
> <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Alex,
>> Welcome to the Nak Mecca.
>> Dragon is a good choice and your serial number appears to be
>> manufactured in late 1988 or early 1989. Check for a round black and
>> white sticker on the back of the deck towards the right side for a year
>> and the three month code around it. Thats the quarter of production in
>> that year.
>> Having said that, Dragon is finicky piece of machinery that needs to be
>> used and serviced to function as intended by Nak. Willy Herman of
>> California and ESL Labs are two trustworthy service centers in the USA,
>> if you ever need service.
>> Finally, although the most popular Nak,bar none, the Dragon is not King
>> of Naks( arguably). That accolade goes to the 1000ZXL.
>> Good luck with your machine.
>> Ram.
>>
>>
>> --- On Sat, 4/16/11, Alex W. <alxwz.no.spam at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> From: Alex W. <alxwz.no.spam at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [naktalk] How to tell the age of a Dragon from serial no.?
>> To: naktalk at naks.com
>> Date: Saturday, April 16, 2011, 1:24 PM
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> new to this list, so, first of all, hello to everybody!
>>
>> I'm thinking about purchasing my first Nak, and I'm about to go for
>> the king (?), the Dragon.
>> Given that the Dragon was produced for a long time (1983-1993), I'd
>> like to know if/how one can tell from its serial no. when that
>> specific deck was produced.
>>
>> The very deck in question has the serial no. 801 2xx68 (I x-ed 2
>> digits out for privacy reasons).
>> It's a German (220 V) model. Maybe someone here can tell me its age?
>>
>> Apart from age itself, I wonder whether there are any significant
>> changes that were made over time.
>> Any caveats with certain model years?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Alex
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From perry.nak at comcast.net  Mon Apr 18 14:16:38 2011
From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 12:16:38 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon serial numbers
Message-ID: <1062579242.1438262.1303128998395.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

As Wouter obviously correctly noted, 23xxx is late '87 or early '88. Any Dragon made after roughly 18000 will have all the latest changes, though after about 6000, they are fairly minor. The most significant one being an additional time delay added to the reverse motor start, to allow some time for the flywheels to coast closer to a stop. On a good Dragon, though, it takes ~6 seconds to come to a complete stop, so it is just there to reduce the current rush somewhat from the motors revering against rotation. They also have the final iteration of dual 10kuF power supply filter caps. Early decks had dual 6800uF, then progressed to one 6800 and one 10k, then the dual 10k. I normally change those decks to dual 10k, as I assume Nakamichi had a good reason to do this. The latest rev of the SM does not reflect this change. The later decks have different PCB board connectors on them than the earlier ones, a fun issue to run into, when troubleshooting between Dragons, and they are not interchangeable, unless you resolder. Even the pins are different. The latest decks include a plastic reinforcement over the solder points of the power transistors on the motor control board, presumably to reinforce the area and help prevent higher resistance pin solders over time, from expansion/contraction. There are other changes to the motor control board that prevent interchangeability. I'd highly recommend to avoid decks with SNs before 4000. Besides having a smaller right hand capstan and lacking a helper spring on the NAAC slide plate, there are a myriad of added caps, diodes and resistors to virtually every board surface, with the componenets glued right to the traces and solder points on the PCBs. The glue can cause conductivity/corrosion related issues, and makes repair a PITA. IIRC, the early decks have an issue with VR702/802 not working correctly or of limited use. I can't recall exactly. The NAAC on the earlier decks is less responsive and I've found more difficult to calibrate. Earlier decks are more likely to have the counter bulbs burn out sooner (30 year old light bulbs!), and are more likely to have the black anodized faceplate turn a black/purple color, as well. So as the OP asked, quite correctly, there is a good reason to know the SN and age of a Dragon, though a pristine deck with an 8000 SN, is likely to have less issues and be more reliable, than a mistreated, high mileage deck with a 23XXX SN, so if you can inspect it first, it is well worth the trouble. IMHO, a 23XXX deck is a great example. BTW, the dual voltage decks on any Nak I've come across do not have the year sticker on them, only the single voltage ones (120 or 240, only) do. I do not know why. The Dragon may be king of the auto reverse and playback decks, but the king of all decks is far more debatable, though based on rarity and desirability, I'd give the nod to a 1000ZXl Limited in great working condition. just don't ask me to work on one.
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From lenaw at flash.net  Mon Apr 18 14:48:26 2011
From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG)
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 05:48:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-C90
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They might be "marginal" better than regular TDK MA of the same period. 




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Are these so rare or good that they would be worth $100.00 plus? eBay.

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From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 18 15:23:41 2011
From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan)
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 06:23:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon serial numbers
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One major change that nobody seems to know is change of Dolby chip ( after 28000 or 29000 serial number)
The Dolby chip is a sony chip and a seperate board was developed over the mother board to accommodate these changes
 
Also please avoid decks less than 5000 serial numbers as there are many components just soldered - wires rumnning all over ( looks like Nakamichi was figuring out lot of issues )
They are prone to Orange cap issues on every part of the deck
 
Dragon is still the king because it is well known among many non Nak maniacs
Second large number of decks floating around
Third is Dragon is the symbol of Naks top of the range products
 
1000 ZXL needs much more maintanence than Dragon
 
kannan

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From: perry.nak at comcast.net <perry.nak at comcast.net>
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon serial numbers
To: naktalk at naks.com
Date: Monday, April 18, 2011, 8:16 AM



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As Wouter obviously correctly noted, 23xxx is late '87 or early '88. Any Dragon made after roughly 18000 will have all the latest changes, though after about 6000, they are fairly minor.  The most significant one being an additional time delay added to the reverse motor start, to allow some time for the flywheels to coast closer to a stop. On a good Dragon, though, it takes ~6 seconds to come to a complete stop, so it is just there to reduce the current rush somewhat from the motors revering against rotation.  They also have the final iteration of dual 10kuF power supply filter caps.  Early decks had dual 6800uF, then progressed to one 6800 and one 10k, then the dual 10k.  I normally change those decks to dual 10k, as I assume Nakamichi had a good reason to do this.  The latest rev of the SM does not reflect this change. The later decks have different PCB board connectors on them than the earlier ones, a fun issue to run into, when troubleshooting
 between Dragons, and they are not interchangeable, unless you resolder. Even the pins are different. The latest decks include a plastic reinforcement over the solder points of the power transistors on the motor control board, presumably to reinforce the area and help prevent higher resistance pin solders over time, from expansion/contraction. There are other changes to the motor control board that prevent interchangeability.  I'd highly recommend to avoid decks with SNs before 4000.  Besides having a smaller right hand capstan and lacking a helper spring on the NAAC slide plate, there are a myriad of added caps, diodes and resistors to virtually every board surface, with the componenets glued right to the traces and solder points on the PCBs. The glue can cause conductivity/corrosion related issues, and makes repair a PITA. IIRC, the early decks have an issue with VR702/802 not working correctly or of limited use.  I can't recall exactly.  The NAAC
 on the earlier decks is less responsive and I've found more difficult to calibrate. Earlier decks are more likely to have the counter bulbs burn out sooner (30 year old light bulbs!), and are more likely to have the black anodized faceplate turn a black/purple color, as well.  So as the OP asked, quite correctly, there is a good reason to know the SN and age of  a Dragon, though a pristine deck with an 8000 SN, is likely to have less issues and be more reliable, than a mistreated, high mileage deck with a 23XXX SN, so if you can inspect it first, it is well worth the trouble.  IMHO, a 23XXX deck is a great example. BTW, the dual voltage decks on any Nak I've come across do not have the year sticker on them, only the single voltage ones (120 or 240, only) do.  I do not know why.  The Dragon may be king of the auto reverse and playback decks, but the king of all decks is far more debatable, though based on rarity and desirability, I'd give the nod to
 a 1000ZXl Limited in great working condition.  just don't ask me to work on one.
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From N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net  Mon Apr 18 15:25:17 2011
From: N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net (N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net)
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 15:25:17 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon serial numbers
In-Reply-To: <1062579242.1438262.1303128998395.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa
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Hi,


I have a late Dragon with a complete different dolby board inside. Very
strange. I will have to look what serial my Dragon have. It's a pitty that
my Dragon has a Sony Dolby Chip CX20188 (not world finest) so i use a
Nakamichi NR200 combined with it. I did not find any information in the
service manual about Dragon boards with CX chip.

Norman

Op Ma, 18 april, 2011 2:16 pm schreef perry.nak at comcast.net:
> As Wouter obviously correctly noted, 23xxx is late '87 or early '88. Any
> Dragon made after roughly 18000 will have all the latest changes, though
> after about 6000, they are fairly minor. The most significant one being
> an additional time delay added to the reverse motor start, to allow some
> time for the flywheels to coast closer to a stop. On a good Dragon,
> though, it takes ~6 seconds to come to a complete stop, so it is just
> there to reduce the current rush somewhat from the motors revering
> against rotation. They also have the final iteration of dual 10kuF power
> supply filter caps. Early decks had dual 6800uF, then progressed to one
> 6800 and one 10k, then the dual 10k. I normally change those decks to
> dual 10k, as I assume Nakamichi had a good reason to do this. The latest
> rev of the SM does not reflect this change. The later decks have
> different PCB board connectors on them than the earlier ones, a fun issue
> to run into, when troubleshooting between Dragons, and they are not
> interchangeable, unless you resolder. Even the pins are different. The
> latest decks include a plastic reinforcement over the solder points of
> the power transistors on the motor control board, presumably to reinforce
> the area and help prevent higher resistance pin solders over time, from
> expansion/contraction. There are other changes to the motor control board
> that prevent interchangeability. I'd highly recommend to avoid decks with
> SNs before 4000. Besides having a smaller right hand capstan and lacking
> a helper spring on the NAAC slide plate, there are a myriad of added
> caps, diodes and resistors to virtually every board surface, with the
> componenets glued right to the traces and solder points on the PCBs. The
> glue can cause conductivity/corrosion related issues, and makes repair a
> PITA. IIRC, the early decks have an issue with VR702/802 not working
> correctly or of limited use. I can't recall exactly. The NAAC on the
> earlier decks is less responsive and I've found more difficult to
> calibrate. Earlier decks are more likely to have the counter bulbs burn
> out sooner (30 year old light bulbs!), and are more likely to have the
> black anodized faceplate turn a black/purple color, as well. So as the OP
> asked, quite correctly, there is a good reason to know the SN and age of
> a Dragon, though a pristine deck with an 8000 SN, is likely to have less
> issues and be more reliable, than a mistreated, high mileage deck with a
> 23XXX SN, so if you can inspect it first, it is well worth the trouble.
> IMHO, a 23XXX deck is a great example. BTW, the dual voltage decks on any
> Nak I've come across do not have the year sticker on them, only the
> single voltage ones (120 or 240, only) do. I do not know why. The Dragon
> may be king of the auto reverse and playback decks, but the king of all
> decks is far more debatable, though based on rarity and desirability, I'd
> give the nod to a 1000ZXl Limited in great working condition. just don't
> ask me to work on
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From serge_sh at bk.ru  Mon Apr 18 10:27:30 2011
From: serge_sh at bk.ru (Sergiy Shevchuk)
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 12:27:30 +0400
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re[2]=3A_[naktalk]_Cassette_Tape_Web_Site?=
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTinudOK9OzpaBRQnS1FtHMg8dcKiug@mail.gmail.com>
References: <SNT111-W1A5B0EF836B3A9B13BDE4DBAE0@phx.gbl>
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Message-ID: <E1QBjnu-0000jL-00.serge_sh-bk-ru@f135.mail.ru>

Hi Mark,

Look for this:

http://vintagecassettes.com/

They have more than 1800 cassettes.

Best regards,
Sergey.


Mon, 18 Apr 2011 00:43:24 +0200 письмо от Per Borgen <pdb at mit.bolignet.dk>:

> Hi Mark,
> 
> Just found this
> 
> http://www.tapedeck.org
> 
> Hope it might help.
> 
> Best Regards
> 
> Per
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From josephjean at verizon.net  Mon Apr 18 16:03:47 2011
From: josephjean at verizon.net (goodguy)
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 10:03:47 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon serial numbers
In-Reply-To: <371701.92830.qm@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <1062579242.1438262.1303128998395.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
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I just love my Dragon especially the way it eeks out performance on 
tapes that were not recorded on it.

I do find the L-R calibration to be a bit cumbersome at times.  I 
often left it warm up for 30 minutes before calibration.  HOWEVER, 
this deck probably has need received a calibration since new.

At 09:23 AM 4/18/2011, you wrote:
>One major change that nobody seems to know is change of Dolby chip ( 
>after 28000 or 29000 serial number)
>The Dolby chip is a sony chip and a seperate board was developed 
>over the mother board to accommodate these changes
>
>Also please avoid decks less than 5000 serial numbers as there are 
>many components just soldered - wires rumnning all over ( looks like 
>Nakamichi was figuring out lot of issues )
>They are prone to Orange cap issues on every part of the deck
>
>Dragon is still the king because it is well known among many non Nak maniacs
>Second large number of decks floating around
>Third is Dragon is the symbol of Naks top of the range products
>
>1000 ZXL needs much more maintanence than Dragon
>
>kannan
>
>--- On Mon, 4/18/11, perry.nak at comcast.net <perry.nak at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>From: perry.nak at comcast.net <perry.nak at comcast.net>
>Subject: [naktalk] Dragon serial numbers
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Date: Monday, April 18, 2011, 8:16 AM
>
>As Wouter obviously correctly noted, 23xxx is late '87 or early '88. 
>Any Dragon made after roughly 18000 will have all the latest 
>changes, though after about 6000, they are fairly minor.  The most 
>significant one being an additional time delay added to the reverse 
>motor start, to allow some time for the flywheels to coast closer to 
>a stop. On a good Dragon, though, it takes ~6 seconds to come to a 
>complete stop, so it is just there to reduce the current rush 
>somewhat from the motors revering against rotation.  They also have 
>the final iteration of dual 10kuF power supply filter caps.  Early 
>decks had dual 6800uF, then progressed to one 6800 and one 10k, then 
>the dual 10k.  I normally change those decks to dual 10k, as I 
>assume Nakamichi had a good reason to do this.  The latest rev of 
>the SM does not reflect this change. The later decks have different 
>PCB board connectors on them than the earlier ones, a fun issue to 
>run into, when troubleshooting between Dragons, and they are not 
>interchangeable, unless you resolder. Even the pins are different. 
>The latest decks include a plastic reinforcement over the solder 
>points of the power transistors on the motor control board, 
>presumably to reinforce the area and help prevent higher resistance 
>pin solders over time, from expansion/contraction. There are other 
>changes to the motor control board that prevent 
>interchangeability.  I'd highly recommend to avoid decks with SNs 
>before 4000.  Besides having a smaller right hand capstan and 
>lacking a helper spring on the NAAC slide plate, there are a myriad 
>of added caps, diodes and resistors to virtually every board 
>surface, with the componenets glued right to the traces and solder 
>points on the PCBs. The glue can cause conductivity/corrosion 
>related issues, and makes repair a PITA. IIRC, the early decks have 
>an issue with VR702/802 not working correctly or of limited use.  I 
>can't recall exactly.  The NAAC on the earlier decks is less 
>responsive and I've found more difficult to calibrate. Earlier decks 
>are more likely to have the counter bulbs burn out sooner (30 year 
>old light bulbs!), and are more likely to have the black anodized 
>faceplate turn a black/purple color, as well.  So as the OP asked, 
>quite correctly, there is a good reason to know the SN and age of  a 
>Dragon, though a pristine deck with an 8000 SN, is likely to have 
>less issues and be more reliable, than a mistreated, high mileage 
>deck with a 23XXX SN, so if you can inspect it first, it is well 
>worth the trouble.  IMHO, a 23XXX deck is a great example. BTW, the 
>dual voltage decks on any Nak I've come across do not have the year 
>sticker on them, only the single voltage ones (120 or 240, only) 
>do.  I do not know why.  The Dragon may be king of the auto reverse 
>and playback decks, but the king of all decks is far more debatable, 
>though based on rarity and desirability, I'd give the nod to a 
>1000ZXl Limited in great working condition.  just don't ask me to work on one.
>
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From fred at marrscom.com  Mon Apr 18 16:07:30 2011
From: fred at marrscom.com (Fred Marrs)
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 09:07:30 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] 4-18-11  FACTORY BELTS FOR ADDITIONAL BRANDS
Message-ID: <4DAC45A2.7030601@marrscom.com>

4-18-11


Hello NakTalk Members, 

FACTORY BELTS FOR ADDITIONAL BRANDS


Factory Belt Kits are now available for ALL  Nakamichi Models.

I have added a Dedicated email address for Nakamichi Questions and Orders.

nakamichi at marrscom.com


Factory Kit Additions : AIWA,  AKAI,  LUXMAN, MARANTZ, ONKYO, and YAMAHA.

 Coming Soon, __  PIONEER.

Additional Models for these New Brands, will be added as time allows.

These Belts are also being produced in Japan by my OEM factory, and like 
Nakamichi,

are GUARANTEED to Meet Published Factory Specifications on YOUR machine,  IF

your Transport has been Fully Serviced.


A WORD OF CAUTION :

There are " OTHER " Belt sellers now claiming to have Nakamichi Factory 
Belt Kits.

I can assure you, their Belts are NOT Factory Belts and are Manufactured 
in China OR Taiwan.

Marrs is the ONLY source, for Belts that are produced by this OEM 
Factory in Japan,  that was once

CONTRACTED with Nakamichi, and provided them with All belts for New 
Machines, on the

Production Line, Service Department and Parts Department.  This is a Fact !


Response Time to your Questions will be faster if sent to: 
fred at marrscom.com

This prevents your mail from getting buried in the eBay Crap.


Thanks to everyone for your Past Business and Support !

Fred M.


From perry.nak at comcast.net  Tue Apr 19 13:44:12 2011
From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 11:44:12 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon & Sony CX dolby
Message-ID: <2146461974-1303213453-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1018606802-@bda469.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

My highest SN Dragon is 286xx, & I've never seen an added dolby board, so it must be above 29000.  Where is it located? Where COULD you locate it! Was the CX used in any other deck? Good stuff to know! Of course none of this stops the Dragon from being one of my favorite decks! Thanks.
Perry Esposito - From my phone


From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net  Tue Apr 19 20:53:57 2011
From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 20:53:57 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon & Sony CX dolby
In-Reply-To: <2146461974-1303213453-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1018606802-@bda469.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
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Hi,

The serial of my Dragon is A801 29876 and it was delivered in 1993 as far as
i know.
I will send a picture of the mounted board so you can see.

Regards Norman

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Onderwerp: [naktalk] Dragon & Sony CX dolby

My highest SN Dragon is 286xx, & I've never seen an added dolby board, so it
must be above 29000.  Where is it located? Where COULD you locate it! Was
the CX used in any other deck? Good stuff to know! Of course none of this
stops the Dragon from being one of my favorite decks! Thanks.
Perry Esposito - From my phone
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From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net  Tue Apr 19 21:28:50 2011
From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 21:28:50 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon & Sony CX dolby
In-Reply-To: <000001cbfec3$235f7f50$6a1e7df0$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net>
References: <2146461974-1303213453-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1018606802-@bda469.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
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Hi all,

Picture of the Dolby Board with Sony CX ic inside my Dragon.

Norman




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Verzonden: dinsdag 19 april 2011 20:54
Aan: perry.nak at comcast.net; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'
Onderwerp: RE: [naktalk] Dragon & Sony CX dolby

Hi,

The serial of my Dragon is A801 29876 and it was delivered in 1993 as far as
i know.
I will send a picture of the mounted board so you can see.

Regards Norman

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perry.nak at comcast.net
Verzonden: dinsdag 19 april 2011 13:44
Aan: Naktalk at naks.com
Onderwerp: [naktalk] Dragon & Sony CX dolby

My highest SN Dragon is 286xx, & I've never seen an added dolby board, so it
must be above 29000.  Where is it located? Where COULD you locate it! Was
the CX used in any other deck? Good stuff to know! Of course none of this
stops the Dragon from being one of my favorite decks! Thanks.
Perry Esposito - From my phone
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From alxwz.no.spam at gmail.com  Tue Apr 19 21:54:40 2011
From: alxwz.no.spam at gmail.com (Alex W.)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 21:54:40 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] How to tell the age of a Dragon from serial no.?
In-Reply-To: <9db10d53e294838bd2e821c683d8792e.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>
References: <BANLkTinSUiKuaFBrwgnk7CFpG9jFcr1-tw@mail.gmail.com>
	<583384.95572.qm@web112703.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<BANLkTinourNnYwW+1j2Rx3=_RZq0V-f1pA@mail.gmail.com>
	<9db10d53e294838bd2e821c683d8792e.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <BANLkTinyYXPTivG3EerVmVZno0sk3LVV=Q@mail.gmail.com>

Many thanks to you all!
This site is a great resource, I'm so glad I discovered it.

Unfortunately, I didn't get that Dragon :-(
Maybe some time else. I'm amazed at the prices those decks go for.

For now, I'.ll have to settle for something more affordable, like a
Cassette Deck 1.

@ Wouter:
Where is that database? I couldn't find anything like that.
Is it just an internal database (I take that you are the owner of
Naks.com and Naktalk), not accessible for list members?
Did you publish any results (statistics)?

Regards,
Alex

On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 09:16, Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl> wrote:
> According to registration database @ naks.com 23xxx is around 87/88.
> Registrated Dragons in the database go as high as 3xxxx for 1993
>
> Wouter
>


From rpierce000 at centurytel.net  Wed Apr 20 03:33:00 2011
From: rpierce000 at centurytel.net (Bob Pierce)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 18:33:00 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] How to tell the age of a Dragon from serial no.?
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTinyYXPTivG3EerVmVZno0sk3LVV=Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTinSUiKuaFBrwgnk7CFpG9jFcr1-tw@mail.gmail.com>	<583384.95572.qm@web112703.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>	<BANLkTinourNnYwW+1j2Rx3=_RZq0V-f1pA@mail.gmail.com>	<9db10d53e294838bd2e821c683d8792e.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>
	<BANLkTinyYXPTivG3EerVmVZno0sk3LVV=Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <01af01cbfefa$e479fcb0$ad6df610$@net>

If you cannot tell from the serial number, open its mouth and look at the
teeth.

Older dragons have lots of wear from flaming and eating princesses, not to
mention biting knights in armor.

DO NOT DO THIS with a conscious dragon, the flame hazard is extreme!

(Where is the serial number on a dragon, anyway?)



-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Alex W.
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 12:55 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] How to tell the age of a Dragon from serial no.?

Many thanks to you all!
This site is a great resource, I'm so glad I discovered it.

Unfortunately, I didn't get that Dragon :-(
Maybe some time else. I'm amazed at the prices those decks go for.

For now, I'.ll have to settle for something more affordable, like a
Cassette Deck 1.

@ Wouter:
Where is that database? I couldn't find anything like that.
Is it just an internal database (I take that you are the owner of
Naks.com and Naktalk), not accessible for list members?
Did you publish any results (statistics)?

Regards,
Alex

On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 09:16, Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl> wrote:
> According to registration database @ naks.com 23xxx is around 87/88.
> Registrated Dragons in the database go as high as 3xxxx for 1993
>
> Wouter
>
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Wed Apr 20 10:27:24 2011
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 10:27:24 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] How to tell the age of a Dragon from serial no.?
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTinyYXPTivG3EerVmVZno0sk3LVV=Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTinSUiKuaFBrwgnk7CFpG9jFcr1-tw@mail.gmail.com>
	<583384.95572.qm@web112703.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<BANLkTinourNnYwW+1j2Rx3=_RZq0V-f1pA@mail.gmail.com>
	<9db10d53e294838bd2e821c683d8792e.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>
	<BANLkTinyYXPTivG3EerVmVZno0sk3LVV=Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <74f78e85b1ec038318076272d90d90c1.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>

If you registered your deck you can view it here:

http://www.naks.com/register/view.html

You can also see other decks registered and approximately see how old it
is based on other registered decks.

Register a deck can be done here:

http://www.naks.com/register

Thats it, very basic functionality but it kind of works...

Wouter

> @ Wouter:
> Where is that database? I couldn't find anything like that.
> Is it just an internal database (I take that you are the owner of
> Naks.com and Naktalk), not accessible for list members?
> Did you publish any results (statistics)?
>
> Regards,
> Alex
>
> On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 09:16, Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl> wrote:
>> According to registration database @ naks.com 23xxx is around 87/88.
>> Registrated Dragons in the database go as high as 3xxxx for 1993
>>
>> Wouter




From bagua_dao at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 20 11:05:22 2011
From: bagua_dao at yahoo.com (ying yang)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 02:05:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 680ZX  cassette well bulb ?
Message-ID: <607171.95436.qm@web110306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Can someone please let me know what is the specifications of the tiny green bulb in the cassette well if I am looking for one.
 
Any other link that I can look for a used/spare original .
 
Any difficulty for an amateur to replace without soldering if possible.
 
Thank you.
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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 20 14:05:35 2011
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 05:05:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 680ZX  cassette well bulb ?
In-Reply-To: <607171.95436.qm@web110306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <607171.95436.qm@web110306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7396.43095.qm@web30202.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Check with Luis who has a nice LED replacement for such applications. They were 
pretty nice and should last long. The space where the lamp lives is quite small 
and that lamp usually blows out easily. 


Bala 




________________________________
From: ying yang <bagua_dao at yahoo.com>
To: naktalk at naks.com
Sent: Wed, April 20, 2011 7:05:22 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 680ZX  cassette well bulb ?


Can someone please let me know what is the specifications of the tiny green bulb 
in the cassette well if I am looking for one.
 
Any other link that I can look for a used/spare original .
 
Any difficulty for an amateur to replace without soldering if possible.
 
Thank you. 
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From ziomaury at teletu.it  Wed Apr 20 16:24:18 2011
From: ziomaury at teletu.it (Ziomaury)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 16:24:18 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] How to remove the complete reel motor
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAJv4OEZsQ/9LhZFoqyZT1bXCgAAAEAAAAESfuwoLcjFEsHxlpSmhwY8BAAAAAA==@teletu.it>

 

Hallo.

I've tried to replace the idle tire on a CR7-E but unfortunately I've break
the plastic idle arm.

To replace the arm I think that the best is remove the complete reel motor.

I don't understand how I must do it.

Can somebody help me about this?

Many thanks.

Maurizio

 

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From ronami at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 20 22:25:07 2011
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 13:25:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] How to remove the complete reel motor
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAJv4OEZsQ/9LhZFoqyZT1bXCgAAAEAAAAESfuwoLcjFEsHxlpSmhwY8BAAAAAA==@teletu.it>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAJv4OEZsQ/9LhZFoqyZT1bXCgAAAEAAAAESfuwoLcjFEsHxlpSmhwY8BAAAAAA==@teletu.it>
Message-ID: <266156.89238.qm@web130107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Maurizio,

Removing the reel motor is a comparatively big job. Some people prefer 
to remove the transport form the deck. Personally, I prefer to do it in the 
deck. In any case, it's an elaborate job. If you've never done it, it's not a 
good idea to learn on your own CR07   :-). I highly recommend you have 
it done by a professional. 

If you insist on doing it yourself anyway, please let me now and I'll post 
instructions.

Good luck,

-- Ron





From: Ziomaury <ziomaury at teletu.it>

To: naktalk at naks.com
Sent: Wed, April 20, 2011 10:24:18 AM
Subject: [naktalk] How to remove the complete reel motor


 
Hallo.
I’ve tried to replace the idle tire on a CR7-E but unfortunately I’ve break the 
plastic idle arm.
To replace the arm I think that the best is remove the complete reel motor.
I don’t understand how I must do it.
Can somebody help me about this?
Many thanks.
Maurizio
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From jmrecchia at gmail.com  Wed Apr 20 17:24:37 2011
From: jmrecchia at gmail.com (Flavio Belato)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 12:24:37 -0300
Subject: [naktalk] Problems with Nakamichi Dragon
Message-ID: <BANLkTi=8VhNkP=5hfzEvJL=akTnR_8pEzg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello, my name is Flavio, I'm from Brazil and I have a Nakamichi Dragon in
very beautifull cosmetic condition but with a strange trouble in
auto-azimuth and in a speed motor system.
The auto azimuth is totally crazy, because it keeps trying to calibrate for
long time and I could listen a gear noise in so many times.
The speed after 30 minutes in working start to decrease and go to stop, it
just work again if the the deck  is shutted off about two hours.
I would like to know if someone had this problem and if is possible to be
fixed.

Thanks in advance.

Flavio.
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From ziomaury at teletu.it  Thu Apr 21 09:40:04 2011
From: ziomaury at teletu.it (Ziomaury)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 09:40:04 +0200
Subject: R: [naktalk] How to remove the complete reel motor
In-Reply-To: <266156.89238.qm@web130107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAJv4OEZsQ/9LhZFoqyZT1bXCgAAAEAAAAESfuwoLcjFEsHxlpSmhwY8BAAAAAA==@teletu.it>
	<266156.89238.qm@web130107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAJv4OEZsQ/9LhZFoqyZT1bXCgAAAEAAAAMfa76voB09KuwvmsruqhEwBAAAAAA==@teletu.it>

Hallo Ron,

Thanks for your explanation.

I’m agree with you about that remove the reel motor is very difficult.

There’s another way to replace the arm of idler tire without remove the reel motor?

Thanks and regards,

 

Maurizio

P.S. Sorry for my English (very basic!)

 

 

Da: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Per conto di Ron
Inviato: mercoledì 20 aprile 2011 22:25
A: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Oggetto: Re: [naktalk] How to remove the complete reel motor

 

Maurizio,

Removing the reel motor is a comparatively big job. Some people prefer 
to remove the transport form the deck. Personally, I prefer to do it in the 
deck. In any case, it's an elaborate job. If you've never done it, it's not a 
good idea to learn on your own CR07   :-). I highly recommend you have 
it done by a professional. 

If you insist on doing it yourself anyway, please let me now and I'll post 
instructions.

Good luck,

-- Ron





From: Ziomaury < <mailto:ziomaury at teletu.it> ziomaury at teletu.it>

To:  <mailto:naktalk at naks.com> naktalk at naks.com
Sent: Wed, April 20, 2011 10:24:18 AM
Subject: [naktalk] How to remove the complete reel motor

 

Hallo.

I’ve tried to replace the idle tire on a CR7-E but unfortunately I’ve break the plastic idle arm.

To replace the arm I think that the best is remove the complete reel motor.

I don’t understand how I must do it.

Can somebody help me about this?

Many thanks.

Maurizio

 

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From bagua_dao at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 21 12:15:42 2011
From: bagua_dao at yahoo.com (ying yang)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 03:15:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 680ZX cassette well bulb ?
Message-ID: <944341.30466.qm@web110304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

 
"Check with Luis who has a nice LED replacement for such applications. They were 
pretty nice and should last long. The space where the lamp lives is quite small 
and that lamp usually blows out easily. 

Bala   "
 
So you are saying the LED replacement will not take up too much space in the cassette well
and will it be easy to replace without doing more than it is necessary than replacing the same bulb and that no other parts will be required to be changed or added ?
 
By the way by "Luias " are you referring to Luis Peromarta Regert  ?
 
Thanks 
Baguadao
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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 21 13:54:47 2011
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 04:54:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 680ZX cassette well bulb ?
In-Reply-To: <944341.30466.qm@web110304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <944341.30466.qm@web110304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <832795.36103.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

The LED replacement will take up some space in the housing - it is a white 
housing at the top behind the face plate. The nature of the LED is such that it 
runs slightly cooler then the bulb and thus should have a longer life.  The LED 
has a dropper resistor connected in series with it to lower the voltage. Yes, he 
is the person to check with. 


Bala 






________________________________
From: ying yang <bagua_dao at yahoo.com>
To: naktalk at naks.com
Sent: Thu, April 21, 2011 8:15:42 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 680ZX cassette well bulb ?


 
"Check with Luis who has a nice LED replacement for such applications. They were 

pretty nice and should last long. The space where the lamp lives is quite small 
and that lamp usually blows out easily. 

Bala   "
 
So you are saying the LED replacement will not take up too much space in the 
cassette well
and will it be easy to replace without doing more than it is necessary than 
replacing the same bulb and that no other parts will be required to be changed 
or added ?
 
By the way by "Luias " are you referring to Luis Peromarta Regert  ?
 
Thanks 
Baguadao 
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From ronami at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 21 16:37:36 2011
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 07:37:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: R: [naktalk] How to remove the complete reel motor
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References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAJv4OEZsQ/9LhZFoqyZT1bXCgAAAEAAAAESfuwoLcjFEsHxlpSmhwY8BAAAAAA==@teletu.it>
	<266156.89238.qm@web130107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <443323.39599.qm@web130104.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

> ... another way to replace the arm of idler tire without remove the reel 
motor?

Not that I know of. There isn't enough room to work on the motor 
when it's installed in the deck. 

BTW, your English is fine.

-- Ron





________________________________
From: Ziomaury <ziomaury at teletu.it>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thu, April 21, 2011 3:40:04 AM
Subject: R: [naktalk] How to remove the complete reel motor


Hallo Ron,
Thanks for your explanation.
I’m agree with you about that remove the reel motor is very difficult.
There’s another way to replace the arm of idler tire without remove the reel 
motor?
Thanks and regards,
 
Maurizio
P.S. Sorry for my English (very basic!)
 
 
Da:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Per conto di Ron
Inviato: mercoledì 20 aprile 2011 22:25
A: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Oggetto: Re: [naktalk] How to remove the complete reel motor
 
Maurizio,

Removing the reel motor is a comparatively big job. Some people prefer 
to remove the transport form the deck. Personally, I prefer to do it in the 
deck. In any case, it's an elaborate job. If you've never done it, it's not a 
good idea to learn on your own CR07   :-). I highly recommend you have 
it done by a professional. 

If you insist on doing it yourself anyway, please let me now and I'll post 
instructions.

Good luck,

-- Ron





From: Ziomaury <ziomaury at teletu.it>
To:naktalk at naks.com
Sent: Wed, April 20, 2011 10:24:18 AM
Subject: [naktalk] How to remove the complete reel motor
 
Hallo.
I’ve tried to replace the idle tire on a CR7-E but unfortunately I’ve break the 
plastic idle arm.
To replace the arm I think that the best is remove the complete reel motor.
I don’t understand how I must do it.
Can somebody help me about this?
Many thanks.
Maurizio
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From bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr  Thu Apr 21 18:06:05 2011
From: bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr (boitrel)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 18:06:05 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Removal of capstan flywheels on RX series
Message-ID: <4DB055ED.2040508@univ-rennes1.fr>

What is the best (simplest) way to remove both capstan flywheels on RX 
series ?
Is the removal of the top of the slide mechanism compulsory ?

Thanks
bernard


From marc at stager.com  Thu Apr 21 21:30:41 2011
From: marc at stager.com (Marc Stager)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 15:30:41 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Selling 1000 Mk 2
Message-ID: <0LK000KKMOUCLPB0@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net>

I have a Nakamichi 1000 II in beautiful cosmetic condition.
Front panel looks like new and the walnut case is nearly perfect.

Mechanically it works fine but the electronics need servicing.
It records nicely and meter works on the left channel.
Does not record on the right. Meter does not move.
Plays weakly with some noise on the right.
No playback on the left. Right channel meter is good.

Servicing this unit is a relatively simple affair - the preamps and
bias circuit are easily accessible plug-in cards. It probably
requires the change of a transistor or two and replacement of
some caps. The cost of parts is actually very low. A service
manual would be useful but not essential.

(Meanwhile I still use and enjoy the sounds of a 682ZX, 582, and MR-1)

Make me a fair offer.
Can be picked up in NYC, or I'll ship at lowest possible cost.

Thanks,
Marc Stager
Stager Sound Systems,
New York City
http://marc.stager.com/
tel:  212-595-4065
cel: 212-675-6000



From fgiddi at windstream.net  Fri Apr 22 13:42:15 2011
From: fgiddi at windstream.net (Fran Giddinmgs)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 07:42:15 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon and BX300
Message-ID: <4DB16997.9070805@windstream.net>

I am the original owner of a Dragon and BX 300 purchased in the mid/late 
eighties in Germany
dual voltage etc. I will soon be listing these on E-bay but thought I 
would give the group first shot
at these.  I also have several decks Naks that I will probably have to sell.
  Any questions.

Email: fgiddi at windstream.net or klipschmann77 at gmail.com

Thank You

Fran Giddings


From perry.nak at comcast.net  Sat Apr 23 12:57:58 2011
From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 10:57:58 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Problems with Dragon
Message-ID: <568974760-1303556280-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-754177513-@bda469.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Yes, a few of us have seen this type behavior, and while it is fixable, it is not an easy  one for a DIY, nor is it easy to describe. Best to send it to a qualified Nakamichi repair technician. I have no idea if there are any in Brazil.


Perry Esposito - From my phone



From ronami at yahoo.com  Sat Apr 23 15:22:40 2011
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 06:22:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon and BX300
In-Reply-To: <4DB16997.9070805@windstream.net>
References: <4DB16997.9070805@windstream.net>
Message-ID: <736046.60334.qm@web130104.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


It's always a good idea to include your location, asking 
prices and item condition in "I'd like to sell" posts.

-- Ron





________________________________
From: Fran Giddinmgs <fgiddi at windstream.net>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Fri, April 22, 2011 7:42:15 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon and BX300

I am the original owner of a Dragon and BX 300 purchased in the mid/late 
eighties in Germany
dual voltage etc. I will soon be listing these on E-bay but thought I would give 
the group first shot
at these.  I also have several decks Naks that I will probably have to sell.
Any questions.

Email: fgiddi at windstream.net or klipschmann77 at gmail.com

Thank You

Fran Giddings
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From hhtltd at juno.com  Fri Apr 22 17:40:39 2011
From: hhtltd at juno.com (hhtltd at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 11:40:39 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon and BX300
Message-ID: <20110422.114040.748.0.hhtltd@juno.com>

I would be interested in the original Dragon (dual voltage switch). What
$ are you looking for? Also,

what models are theNak decks you note you might have to sell.

Thanks for the notice.
\
Nino Moretti 


On Fri, 22 Apr 2011 07:42:15 -0400 Fran Giddinmgs <fgiddi at windstream.net>
writes:
> I am the original owner of a Dragon and BX 300 purchased in the 
> mid/late 
> eighties in Germany
> dual voltage etc. I will soon be listing these on E-bay but thought 
> I 
> would give the group first shot
> at these.  I also have several decks Naks that I will probably have 
> to sell.
>   Any questions.
> 
> Email: fgiddi at windstream.net or klipschmann77 at gmail.com
> 
> Thank You
> 
> Fran Giddings
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From ct.waveform at googlemail.com  Sat Apr 23 13:10:22 2011
From: ct.waveform at googlemail.com (Christian Thomas)
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 12:10:22 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon and BX300
In-Reply-To: <4DB16997.9070805@windstream.net>
References: <4DB16997.9070805@windstream.net>
Message-ID: <BANLkTing5X8My5k_x-wO6LQWiVHO+7JV=g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Fran

I would be very interested in the BX-300.  How much are you after and where
is it.

Best wishes

Christian Thomas

On 22 April 2011 12:42, Fran Giddinmgs <fgiddi at windstream.net> wrote:

> I am the original owner of a Dragon and BX 300 purchased in the mid/late
> eighties in Germany
> dual voltage etc. I will soon be listing these on E-bay but thought I would
> give the group first shot
> at these.  I also have several decks Naks that I will probably have to
> sell.
>  Any questions.
>
> Email: fgiddi at windstream.net or klipschmann77 at gmail.com
>
> Thank You
>
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From fgiddi at windstream.net  Sat Apr 23 16:54:59 2011
From: fgiddi at windstream.net (fgiddi at windstream.net)
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 14:54:59 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon and BX300
In-Reply-To: <736046.60334.qm@web130104.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <4DB16997.9070805@windstream.net><736046.60334.qm@web130104.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1591009954-1303570500-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-758900888-@bda2679.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

 I will correct that when I get home,  thanks Ron.

Fran Giddings
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From fgiddi at windstream.net  Sat Apr 23 16:57:00 2011
From: fgiddi at windstream.net (fgiddi at windstream.net)
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 14:57:00 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon and BX300
In-Reply-To: <20110422.114040.748.0.hhtltd@juno.com>
References: <20110422.114040.748.0.hhtltd@juno.com>
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Thinking 750 USD for the Dragon.

Thanks

Fran Giddings
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Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon and BX300

I would be interested in the original Dragon (dual voltage switch). What
$ are you looking for? Also,

what models are theNak decks you note you might have to sell.

Thanks for the notice.
\
Nino Moretti 


On Fri, 22 Apr 2011 07:42:15 -0400 Fran Giddinmgs <fgiddi at windstream.net>
writes:
> I am the original owner of a Dragon and BX 300 purchased in the 
> mid/late 
> eighties in Germany
> dual voltage etc. I will soon be listing these on E-bay but thought 
> I 
> would give the group first shot
> at these.  I also have several decks Naks that I will probably have 
> to sell.
>   Any questions.
> 
> Email: fgiddi at windstream.net or klipschmann77 at gmail.com
> 
> Thank You
> 
> Fran Giddings
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From fgiddi at windstream.net  Sat Apr 23 17:51:45 2011
From: fgiddi at windstream.net (fgiddi at windstream.net)
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 15:51:45 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon and BX300
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTing5X8My5k_x-wO6LQWiVHO+7JV=g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4DB16997.9070805@windstream.net><BANLkTing5X8My5k_x-wO6LQWiVHO+7JV=g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <104856964-1303573906-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-847405267-@bda2679.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

I think 300 USD I am in Northeast Ohio,  can send more details and pics if you want.

Thanks

Fran Giddings
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From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com  Sat Apr 23 21:04:04 2011
From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran)
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 12:04:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code!
Message-ID: <932708.22333.qm@web112709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hi,

As all of you know, the Cr 7 is operable with its factory supplied infra red remote. I was wondering what was the code for that remote transmitter if I had to program a universal remote 
to work with it.

I have not been able to program a SONY with its supplied Nakamichi code.

If any one knows could you please share that info?

Thanks
Ram.
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From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net  Sun Apr 24 01:31:07 2011
From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen)
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 01:31:07 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code!
In-Reply-To: <932708.22333.qm@web112709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <932708.22333.qm@web112709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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Hi Ram,

 

Maybe you have to look here:

http://www.remotecentral.com/cgi-bin/codes/nakamichi/ca-7a/

 

Regards Norman

 

Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens
shanti ramachandran
Verzonden: zaterdag 23 april 2011 21:04
Aan: naktalk at naks.com
Onderwerp: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code!

 


Hi,

As all of you know, the Cr 7 is operable with its factory supplied infra red
remote. I was wondering what was the code for that remote transmitter if I
had to program a universal remote 
to work with it.

I have not been able to program a SONY with its supplied Nakamichi code.

If any one knows could you please share that info?

Thanks
Ram.

 

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From fgiddi at windstream.net  Sun Apr 24 05:30:10 2011
From: fgiddi at windstream.net (Fran Giddinmgs)
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 23:30:10 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon and BX300
In-Reply-To: <736046.60334.qm@web130104.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <4DB16997.9070805@windstream.net>
	<736046.60334.qm@web130104.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4DB39942.6020802@windstream.net>

On 4/23/2011 9:22 AM, Ron wrote:
>
> It's always a good idea to include your location, asking
> prices and item condition in "I'd like to sell" posts.
>
> -- Ron
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Fran Giddinmgs <fgiddi at windstream.net>
> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> *Sent:* Fri, April 22, 2011 7:42:15 AM
> *Subject:* [naktalk] Dragon and BX300
>
> I am the original owner of a Dragon and BX 300 purchased in the 
> mid/late eighties in Germany
> dual voltage etc. I will soon be listing these on E-bay but thought I 
> would give the group first shot
> at these.  I also have several decks Naks that I will probably have to 
> sell.
As requested   Dragon 750 USD  manual, original receipt and rm20 remote.
BX 300  300 USD new belts from Mars.
Located in Northeast Ohio halfway between Erie PA and Cleveland OH.
> Any questions.
>
> Email: fgiddi at windstream.net <mailto:fgiddi at windstream.net> or 
> klipschmann77 at gmail.com <mailto:klipschmann77 at gmail.com>
>
> Thank You
>
> Fran Giddings
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From fgiddi at windstream.net  Sun Apr 24 05:32:19 2011
From: fgiddi at windstream.net (Fran Giddinmgs)
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 23:32:19 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon and BX300
In-Reply-To: <20110422.114040.748.0.hhtltd@juno.com>
References: <20110422.114040.748.0.hhtltd@juno.com>
Message-ID: <4DB399C3.7070001@windstream.net>

On 4/22/2011 11:40 AM, hhtltd at juno.com wrote:
> I would be interested in the original Dragon (dual voltage switch). What
> $ are you looking for? Also,
>
> what models are theNak decks you note you might have to sell.
>
> Thanks for the notice.
> \
> Nino Moretti
>
>
> On Fri, 22 Apr 2011 07:42:15 -0400 Fran Giddinmgs<fgiddi at windstream.net>
> writes:
>> I am the original owner of a Dragon and BX 300 purchased in the
>> mid/late
>> eighties in Germany
>> dual voltage etc. I will soon be listing these on E-bay but thought
>> I
>> would give the group first shot
>> at these.  I also have several decks Naks that I will probably have
>> to sell.
>>    Any questions.
>>
>> Email: fgiddi at windstream.net or klipschmann77 at gmail.com
>>
>> Thank You
>>
>> Fran Giddings
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From fgiddi at windstream.net  Sun Apr 24 05:33:48 2011
From: fgiddi at windstream.net (Fran Giddinmgs)
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 23:33:48 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon and BX300
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTing5X8My5k_x-wO6LQWiVHO+7JV=g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4DB16997.9070805@windstream.net>
	<BANLkTing5X8My5k_x-wO6LQWiVHO+7JV=g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4DB39A1C.5040401@windstream.net>

On 4/23/2011 7:10 AM, Christian Thomas wrote:
> Hi Fran
> I would be very interested in the BX-300.  How much are you after and 
> where is it.
> Best wishes
> Christian Thomas
>
> On 22 April 2011 12:42, Fran Giddinmgs <fgiddi at windstream.net 
> <mailto:fgiddi at windstream.net>> wrote:
>
>     I am the original owner of a Dragon and BX 300 purchased in the
>     mid/late eighties in Germany
>     dual voltage etc. I will soon be listing these on E-bay but
>     thought I would give the group first shot
>     at these.  I also have several decks Naks that I will probably
>     have to sell.
>      Any questions.
>
>     Email: fgiddi at windstream.net <mailto:fgiddi at windstream.net> or
>     klipschmann77 at gmail.com <mailto:klipschmann77 at gmail.com>
>
>     Thank You
>
>     Fran Giddings
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300 USD OBO on the BX 300

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From serge_sh at bk.ru  Sat Apr 23 21:18:28 2011
From: serge_sh at bk.ru (Sergiy Shevchuk)
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 23:18:28 +0400
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re=3A_[naktalk]_Dragon_and_BX300?=
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Message-ID: <E1QDiLc-0006vT-00.serge_sh-bk-ru@f96.mail.ru>

I would like to purchase a Dragon. In any condition. Here, in Ukraine, I have a professional who can make service for any Nak! He serviced more than 60 Nak decks!
So I'm not afraid to get Nak in any working condition!
Thanks,
Sergey.


Fri, 22 Apr 2011 07:42:15 -0400 письмо от Fran Giddinmgs <fgiddi at windstream.net>:

> I am the original owner of a Dragon and BX 300 purchased in the mid/late 
> eighties in Germany
> dual voltage etc. I will soon be listing these on E-bay but thought I 
> would give the group first shot
> at these.  I also have several decks Naks that I will probably have to sell.
> Any questions.
> 
> Email: fgiddi at windstream.net or klipschmann77 at gmail.com
> 
> Thank You
> 
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From ronami at yahoo.com  Sun Apr 24 15:48:42 2011
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 06:48:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code!
In-Reply-To: <932708.22333.qm@web112709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <932708.22333.qm@web112709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <941471.53931.qm@web130120.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


A long time ago I copied all remote codes from my CR-7 into a Marantz 
RC-5000i (same as Philips Pronto TSU1000). I subsequently sent the file 
to a couple of members here. Since then, I've lost both the file and the 
names of these members, but if any of them are reading this, they may be 
able to help?

-- Ron





________________________________
From: shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com>
To: naktalk at naks.com
Sent: Sat, April 23, 2011 3:04:04 PM
Subject: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code!


Hi,

As all of you know, the Cr 7 is operable with its factory supplied infra red 
remote. I was wondering what was the code for that remote transmitter if I had 
to program a universal remote 

to work with it.

I have not been able to program a SONY with its supplied Nakamichi code.

If any one knows could you please share that info?

Thanks
Ram.
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From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com  Sun Apr 24 16:15:57 2011
From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran)
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 07:15:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code!
In-Reply-To: <000901cc020e$8530fe40$8f92fac0$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net>
Message-ID: <290131.4843.qm@web112718.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

HI Norman,
Now that has many many codes per function. How do I use these?
Ram.
--- On Sat, 4/23/11, Norman van Wijnen <n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net> wrote:

From: Norman van Wijnen <n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net>
Subject: RE: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code!
To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Saturday, April 23, 2011, 7:31 PM

Hi Ram,  Maybe you have to look here:http://www.remotecentral.com/cgi-bin/codes/nakamichi/ca-7a/  Regards Norman  Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens shanti ramachandran
Verzonden: zaterdag 23 april 2011 21:04
Aan: naktalk at naks.com
Onderwerp: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code!  Hi,

As all of you know, the Cr 7 is operable with its factory supplied infra red remote. I was wondering what was the code for that remote transmitter if I had to program a universal remote 
to work with it.

I have not been able to program a SONY with its supplied Nakamichi code.

If any one knows could you please share that info?

Thanks
Ram.  
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From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com  Sun Apr 24 17:13:06 2011
From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran)
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 08:13:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code!
In-Reply-To: <941471.53931.qm@web130120.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <688332.64569.qm@web112712.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Thanks Ron for letting the word out.
I have an old SONY learning remote RM-P341 which came with an old receiver (in 1995) that happens to be a learning remote. 
I was successful in teaching it to learn all the button's functions from the RM7c remote, including the azimuth.
However, I am sure there is a code for programming non learning remotes.
Thanks.
Ram.

--- On Sun, 4/24/11, Ron <ronami at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Ron <ronami at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code!
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Sunday, April 24, 2011, 9:48 AM


A long time ago I copied all remote codes from my CR-7 into a Marantz 
RC-5000i (same as Philips Pronto TSU1000). I subsequently sent the file 
to a couple of members here. Since then, I've lost both the file and the 
names of these members, but if any of them are reading this, they may be 
able to help?

-- Ron


From: shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com>
To: naktalk at naks.com
Sent: Sat, April 23,
 2011 3:04:04 PM
Subject: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code!


Hi,

As all of you know, the Cr 7 is operable with its factory supplied infra red remote. I was wondering what was the code for that remote transmitter if I had to program a universal remote 
to work with it.

I have not been able to program a SONY with its supplied Nakamichi code.

If any one knows could you please share that info?

Thanks
Ram.


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From fgiddi at windstream.net  Sun Apr 24 14:10:02 2011
From: fgiddi at windstream.net (Fran Giddinmgs)
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 08:10:02 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon and BX300
In-Reply-To: <E1QDiLc-0006vT-00.serge_sh-bk-ru@f96.mail.ru>
References: <4DB16997.9070805@windstream.net>
	<E1QDiLc-0006vT-00.serge_sh-bk-ru@f96.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <4DB4131A.6000500@windstream.net>

On 4/23/2011 3:18 PM, Sergiy Shevchuk wrote:
> I would like to purchase a Dragon. In any condition. Here, in Ukraine, I have a professional who can make service for any Nak! He serviced more than 60 Nak decks!
> So I'm not afraid to get Nak in any working condition!
> Thanks,
> Sergey.
>
>
> Fri, 22 Apr 2011 07:42:15 -0400 письмо от Fran Giddinmgs<fgiddi at windstream.net>:
>
>> I am the original owner of a Dragon and BX 300 purchased in the mid/late
>> eighties in Germany
>> dual voltage etc. I will soon be listing these on E-bay but thought I
>> would give the group first shot
>> at these.  I also have several decks Naks that I will probably have to sell.
>> Any questions.
>>
>> Email: fgiddi at windstream.net or klipschmann77 at gmail.com
>>
>> Thank You
>>
>> Fran Giddings
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Sergiy,

This Dragon is in original condition except for the transport lift belt 
which was replaced within the last
six months.  I used this deck for recording only and only for about 200 
tapes, it has original Manual
and RM200 remote.  I bought it 11/28/1986 in Germany.  I have the deck 
set up in my system and exercise
it at least weekly.  I would like 750 USD dont have any idea how much 
shipping to Ukraine would be
But I can find out if you are still interested.

Thank You

Fran Giddings


From tamura.wilson at gmail.com  Sun Apr 24 20:43:57 2011
From: tamura.wilson at gmail.com (wilson tamura)
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 15:43:57 -0300
Subject: [naktalk] Problems with Dragon
In-Reply-To: <568974760-1303556280-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-754177513-@bda469.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <568974760-1303556280-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-754177513-@bda469.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <BANLkTi=KHz0W5UEOrLgbvF5k=iJSiA9YDw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Perry,

I'm DIY and technician. Not authorized Nak of course, because
Nakamichi has never produced their products here in Brasil.

I live in Brasil too, and have almost the same problem with my Dragon.
After sometime in use, capstan motors stops.

If somebody know how to fix it, it will be very helpfull, because to
send this equipment to another country to fix, will be very expensive
for us.

Thanks,

Wilson

2011/4/23  <perry.nak at comcast.net>:
> Yes, a few of us have seen this type behavior, and while it is fixable, it is not an easy  one for a DIY, nor is it easy to describe. Best to send it to a qualified Nakamichi repair technician. I have no idea if there are any in Brazil.
>
>
> Perry Esposito - From my phone



From fgiddi at windstream.net  Sun Apr 24 21:31:30 2011
From: fgiddi at windstream.net (Fran Giddinmgs)
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 15:31:30 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon and BX300
In-Reply-To: <4DB16997.9070805@windstream.net>
References: <4DB16997.9070805@windstream.net>
Message-ID: <4DB47A92.6020901@windstream.net>

On 4/22/2011 7:42 AM, Fran Giddinmgs wrote:
> I am the original owner of a Dragon and BX 300 purchased in the 
> mid/late eighties in Germany
> dual voltage etc. I will soon be listing these on E-bay but thought I 
> would give the group first shot
> at these.  I also have several decks Naks that I will probably have to 
> sell.
>  Any questions.
>
> Email: fgiddi at windstream.net or klipschmann77 at gmail.com
>
> Thank You
>
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The Dragon has been sold.

Thanks to all

Fran Giddings


From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net  Mon Apr 25 11:10:05 2011
From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 11:10:05 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code!
In-Reply-To: <290131.4843.qm@web112718.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <000901cc020e$8530fe40$8f92fac0$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net>
	<290131.4843.qm@web112718.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000001cc0328$92cdae70$b8690b50$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net>

Hi Ram,

 

You can see per function you have a great number .  In our philips pronto
remotes we can put this complete code and define a button for it. 

So the code for Tape Play  is : 

 0000 006c 0022 0002 0159 00ab 0016 0040 0016 0040 0015 0040 0016 0015 0015
0040 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0040
0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016
0015 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0015
0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0040 0015 0040 0016 05f6 0158 0056 0014
0e5c

 

This is the code the original remote sends  when pushing the play button. 

 

When you use remotes with a pre defined "database" inside then the way of
programming is completely different. 

In that case  you have to give the code for manufacturer and device. When
you choose these pre defined codes (most 3 or 4 digits) the play button will
also send 

 

0000 006c 0022 0002 0159 00ab 0016 0040 0016 0040 0015 0040 0016 0015 0015
0040 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0040
0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016
0015 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0015
0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0040 0015 0040 0016 05f6 0158 0056 0014
0e5c.

 

I hope you understand the difference and i think that the link i send you
was not helpfull for the remote you using.

 

Regards Norman

 

 

 

Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens
shanti ramachandran
Verzonden: zondag 24 april 2011 16:16
Aan: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Onderwerp: RE: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code!

 


HI Norman,


Now that has many many codes per function. How do I use these?

 

Ram.
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From: Norman van Wijnen <n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net>
Subject: RE: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code!
To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Saturday, April 23, 2011, 7:31 PM

Hi Ram,

 

Maybe you have to look here:

http://www.remotecentral.com/cgi-bin/codes/nakamichi/ca-7a/

 

Regards Norman

 

Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens
shanti ramachandran
Verzonden: zaterdag 23 april 2011 21:04
Aan: naktalk at naks.com
Onderwerp: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code!

 


Hi,

As all of you know, the Cr 7 is operable with its factory supplied infra red
remote. I was wondering what was the code for that remote transmitter if I
had to program a universal remote 
to work with it.

I have not been able to program a SONY with its supplied Nakamichi code.

If any one knows could you please share that info?

Thanks
Ram.

 


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From perry.nak at comcast.net  Mon Apr 25 14:36:38 2011
From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 12:36:38 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [naktalk] Problems with Dragon
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTi=KHz0W5UEOrLgbvF5k=iJSiA9YDw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <748754260.1847910.1303734998957.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

All the issues are USUALLY confined to the motor control circuit board. Often it is just the 470uF cap on the 12V rail. (the only one and largest) 
On many decks, Nak put in 10V caps, so they gradually overload. Replace that cap with a 16V or 25V one. If that is not it then it is often the power 
transistors, especially on earlier decks. They tend to get too hot with age, and the solder connections to the PCB gradually get a higher resistance. 
You should be able to comfortably put your finger on those power transistors and they will be barely warm. If they are hot or may burn to the touch, 
then there is either very high friction of the capstan bearings, causing too much current draw to retain proper RPM, or the transistors need to be replaced. 
When you shut off the Dragon after the capstans have rotated to full speed, it should take around 6 seconds before they stop rotating on their own. 
If much shorter, then there is high friction, and the bearings should be serviced. Sometimes just resoldering the connections of the transistors to the 
PCB works to fix the issue. I sometimes just replace all the electrolytic caps on the motor control board, as it is fast and easy to do. 


There are crosses for the transistors, but I don't have them handy at the moment. 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "wilson tamura" <tamura.wilson at gmail.com> 
To: "perry nak" <perry.nak at comcast.net>, "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com> 
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011 2:43:57 PM 
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Problems with Dragon 

Hi Perry, 

I'm DIY and technician. Not authorized Nak of course, because 
Nakamichi has never produced their products here in Brasil. 

I live in Brasil too, and have almost the same problem with my Dragon. 
After sometime in use, capstan motors stops. 

If somebody know how to fix it, it will be very helpfull, because to 
send this equipment to another country to fix, will be very expensive 
for us. 

Thanks, 

Wilson 

2011/4/23 <perry.nak at comcast.net>: 
> Yes, a few of us have seen this type behavior, and while it is fixable, it is not an easy one for a DIY, nor is it easy to describe. Best to send it to a qualified Nakamichi repair technician. I have no idea if there are any in Brazil. 
> 
> 
> Perry Esposito - From my phone 
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From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 25 15:37:27 2011
From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 06:37:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code!
In-Reply-To: <000001cc0328$92cdae70$b8690b50$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net>
Message-ID: <923165.97613.qm@web112707.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Thanks Norman. I appreciate yours and Ron's effort in working up a solution.
 Like I mentioned in an earlier post, the SONY RM-P341 works wonders now for me. This remote can learn all functions from the RM7C, button by button, without the need to enter all these codes! I had this remote since 1995 with an A/V Sony receiver I had bought then.Took it out and found it learns!

It is available for $21 on ebay in brand new condition with a money back guaranty.
Ram.
--- On Mon, 4/25/11, Norman van Wijnen <n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net> wrote:

From: Norman van Wijnen <n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net>
Subject: RE: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code!
To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Monday, April 25, 2011, 5:10 AM

Hi Ram,  You can see per function you have a great number .  In our philips pronto remotes we can put this complete code and define a button for it. So the code for Tape Play  is :  0000 006c 0022 0002 0159 00ab 0016 0040 0016 0040 0015 0040 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0040 0015 0040 0016 05f6 0158 0056 0014 0e5c  This is the code the original remote sends  when pushing the play button.   When you use remotes with a pre defined “database” inside then the way of programming is completely different. In that case  you have to give the code for manufacturer and device. When you choose these pre defined codes (most 3 or 4 digits) the play button will also send   0000 006c 0022 0002 0159 00ab 0016 0040
 0016 0040 0015 0040 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0040 0015 0040 0016 05f6 0158 0056 0014 0e5c.  I hope you understand the difference and i think that the link i send you was not helpfull for the remote you using.  Regards Norman      Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens shanti ramachandran
Verzonden: zondag 24 april 2011 16:16
Aan: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Onderwerp: RE: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code!  HI Norman,
Now that has many many codes per function. How do I use these?  Ram.
--- On Sat, 4/23/11, Norman van Wijnen <n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net> wrote:
From: Norman van Wijnen <n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net>
Subject: RE: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code!
To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Saturday, April 23, 2011, 7:31 PMHi Ram, Maybe you have to look here:http://www.remotecentral.com/cgi-bin/codes/nakamichi/ca-7a/ Regards Norman Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens shanti ramachandran
Verzonden: zaterdag 23 april 2011 21:04
Aan: naktalk at naks.com
Onderwerp: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code! Hi,

As all of you know, the Cr 7 is operable with its factory supplied infra red remote. I was wondering what was the code for that remote transmitter if I had to program a universal remote 
to work with it.

I have not been able to program a SONY with its supplied Nakamichi code.

If any one knows could you please share that info?

Thanks
Ram. 
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From daddyo at metrowebstudios.com  Mon Apr 25 02:01:29 2011
From: daddyo at metrowebstudios.com (daddyo)
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 18:01:29 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Repair service in Chicago?
Message-ID: <4DB4B9D9.5070108@metrowebstudios.com>

Hi,

I have a Nakamichi CR-1A cassette deck that all of a sudden won't play. 
Anyone know of a repair service in the Chicago area?


Thanks

Ron


From paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se  Mon Apr 25 08:57:21 2011
From: paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se (=?iso-8859-1?Q?P=E4r_Ericsson?=)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 08:57:21 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Problems with Dragon
References: <568974760-1303556280-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-754177513-@bda469.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<BANLkTi=KHz0W5UEOrLgbvF5k=iJSiA9YDw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7F03576DF2BD44C5BCAAD08278E50C2F@superdator>

Hi Wilson!

Start with replacing all power transistors on the motor board. They have a 
tendency to fail when they get warm. I bought them on eBay.

Good luck/Pelle.

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From: "wilson tamura" <tamura.wilson at gmail.com>
To: <perry.nak at comcast.net>; "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" 
<naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011 8:43 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Problems with Dragon


> Hi Perry,
>
> I'm DIY and technician. Not authorized Nak of course, because
> Nakamichi has never produced their products here in Brasil.
>
> I live in Brasil too, and have almost the same problem with my Dragon.
> After sometime in use, capstan motors stops.
>
> If somebody know how to fix it, it will be very helpfull, because to
> send this equipment to another country to fix, will be very expensive
> for us.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Wilson
>
> 2011/4/23  <perry.nak at comcast.net>:
>> Yes, a few of us have seen this type behavior, and while it is fixable, 
>> it is not an easy one for a DIY, nor is it easy to describe. Best to send 
>> it to a qualified Nakamichi repair technician. I have no idea if there 
>> are any in Brazil.
>>
>>
>> Perry Esposito - From my phone
>
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From ziomaury at teletu.it  Mon Apr 25 13:24:44 2011
From: ziomaury at teletu.it (ziomaury)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 13:24:44 +0200
Subject: R: R: [naktalk] How to remove the complete reel motor
In-Reply-To: <443323.39599.qm@web130104.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAJv4OEZsQ/9LhZFoqyZT1bXCgAAAEAAAAESfuwoLcjFEsHxlpSmhwY8BAAAAAA==@teletu.it>	<266156.89238.qm@web130107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAJv4OEZsQ/9LhZFoqyZT1bXCgAAAEAAAAMfa76voB09KuwvmsruqhEwBAAAAAA==@teletu.it>
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OK, I’ve understand.

I must find a professional.

Do you have notice about this, in Italy or Europe?

Thanks and regards,

Maurizio

 

 

Da: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Per conto di Ron
Inviato: giovedì 21 aprile 2011 16:38
A: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Oggetto: Re: R: [naktalk] How to remove the complete reel motor

 

> ...  another way to replace the arm of idler tire without remove the reel motor?

Not that I know of. There isn't enough room to work on the motor 
when it's installed in the deck. 

BTW, your English is fine.

-- Ron

 

  _____  

From: Ziomaury <ziomaury at teletu.it>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thu, April 21, 2011 3:40:04 AM
Subject: R: [naktalk] How to remove the complete reel motor

Hallo Ron,

Thanks for your explanation.

I’m agree with you about that remove the reel motor is very difficult.

There’s another way to replace the arm of idler tire without remove the reel motor?

Thanks and regards,

 

Maurizio

P.S. Sorry for my English (very basic!)

 

 

Da: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Per conto di Ron
Inviato: mercoledì 20 aprile 2011 22:25
A: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Oggetto: Re: [naktalk] How to remove the complete reel motor

 

Maurizio,

Removing the reel motor is a comparatively big job. Some people prefer 
to remove the transport form the deck. Personally, I prefer to do it in the 
deck. In any case, it's an elaborate job. If you've never done it, it's not a 
good idea to learn on your own CR07   :-). I highly recommend you have 
it done by a professional. 

If you insist on doing it yourself anyway, please let me now and I'll post 
instructions.

Good luck,

-- Ron





From: Ziomaury < <mailto:ziomaury at teletu.it> ziomaury at teletu.it>

To:  <mailto:naktalk at naks.com> naktalk at naks.com
Sent: Wed, April 20, 2011 10:24:18 AM
Subject: [naktalk] How to remove the complete reel motor

 

Hallo.

I’ve tried to replace the idle tire on a CR7-E but unfortunately I’ve break the plastic idle arm.

To replace the arm I think that the best is remove the complete reel motor.

I don’t understand how I must do it.

Can somebody help me about this?

Many thanks.

Maurizio

 

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From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 26 02:43:38 2011
From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 00:43:38 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code!
In-Reply-To: <941471.53931.qm@web130120.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <932708.22333.qm@web112709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>,
	<941471.53931.qm@web130120.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Hello Ron,

I am one of those that you sent the CR-7 Marantz RC-5000i file to. If you want to get a copy to replace your lost one I can attach it for all to share.

Thanks.


Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 06:48:42 -0700
From: ronami at yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code!
To: naktalk at naks.com




A long time ago I copied all remote codes from my CR-7 into a Marantz 
RC-5000i (same as Philips Pronto TSU1000). I subsequently sent the file 
to a couple of members here. Since then, I've lost both the file and the 
names of these members, but if any of them are reading this, they may be 
able to help?

-- Ron


From: shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com>
To: naktalk at naks.com
Sent: Sat, April 23,
 2011 3:04:04 PM
Subject: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code!


Hi,

As all of you know, the Cr 7 is operable with its factory supplied infra red remote. I was wondering what was the code for that remote transmitter if I had to program a universal remote 
to work with it.

I have not been able to program a SONY with its supplied Nakamichi code.

If any one knows could you please share that info?

Thanks
Ram.


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From npt at comcast.net  Tue Apr 26 04:57:30 2011
From: npt at comcast.net (npt at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 02:57:30 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [naktalk] BX-150 problem
Message-ID: <611736423.433564.1303786650773.JavaMail.root@sz0068a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

OK, I just popped a tape into my deck, which was working like a champ, and now I hit the Play button, and nothing happens. Same if I hit FF or reverse; it sounds like the command is received and something's TRYING to happen, but nothing does. 
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From brian.janke at comcast.net  Tue Apr 26 05:30:45 2011
From: brian.janke at comcast.net (brian.janke at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 03:30:45 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000zxl - Distortion
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I am following up on an email I sent early this year (See Below).  Thanks to all for your assistance in January.  I am reaching out once again, before deciding to send it out to a qualified technician. 



I finally got around to replacing the two Electrolytic caps (C103 & C203) and all but one pair of the PP caps on the Dolby Playback board.  I could not find a pair of the C104 & C204 PP caps (5600p 100v).  No change, the deck functions just the same.  Playback sounds great initially, and after a few tracks, audio becomes distorted (actually "garbled")  :(.   



Interesting Observation: 

After listening to multiple recordings after an hour or so,  I found that the distortion is not audible while the playback is at -40db to -20db as shown on the deck's meter.  Distortion becomes audible at -12db to -15db.  Very audible at -10db and nearly impossible to comprehend approaching 0db or more. 



Belts & motors seem strong.  I deoxidized the Tape/Source switch well.  I wonder if there is another board I should recap before sending it out to a tech.  I have read that all the orange caps should be replaced, but then the deck will have to be re-calabrted too.  I can work with a soldering iron, but I might be out of my league with calibrating.   


January 2011 
I acquired the 1000 ZXL this past Summer with an issue.  The audio is wonderful initially, until it warms up, then the distortion begins to set into the right channel and then the left.  Audio becomes "garbled."  Distortion becomes audible in 10-15 minutes from initial startup .  Very quickly, the distortion becomes too annoying.  After powering down for 20 minutes, the deck sounds briefly until the distortion returns.  I started to focus on the caps, but I wonder if it can be a transistor or microprocessor that fails when too warm.  Anyone have a suggestion?
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From ct.waveform at googlemail.com  Tue Apr 26 13:49:01 2011
From: ct.waveform at googlemail.com (Christian Thomas)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 12:49:01 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000zxl - Distortion
In-Reply-To: <1322747316.452746.1303788645985.JavaMail.root@sz0062a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <478066290.452446.1303788191017.JavaMail.root@sz0062a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<1322747316.452746.1303788645985.JavaMail.root@sz0062a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <BANLkTi=gg9F0dDH1ZZF_VZb9jRFk8rnMDQ@mail.gmail.com>

This sounds to me like something wrong in an amplifier stage.  It could be a
transistor - or two - that has come to its last moments.  What is probably
happening is that it is getting hot after a few tracks and then not doing
what it should.  Odd, though that it would appear to be on both sides.

If you have a scope you could trace this from the tape amp onwards.  If you
don't, but have a service manual and a multimeter, then you could check all
the voltages down the signal chain.  It does sound like a job for someone
reasonably expert so probably should be sent out to one of the techies you
can find here.  But beforehand, do make sure that the problem is actually
with the deck.  Ie.  change the input it's using, test other sources through
the amp and so on until you have eliminated any other possibilities.  One
other thing you might try is doing some looped recordings since this might
narrow down where the fault lies.

Hope this helps

CT

On 26 April 2011 04:30, <brian.janke at comcast.net> wrote:

>   I am following up on an email I sent early this year (See Below).
> Thanks to all for your assistance in January.  I am reaching out once again,
> before deciding to send it out to a qualified technician.
>
>
>
> I finally got around to replacing the two Electrolytic caps (C103 & C203)
> and all but one pair of the PP caps on the Dolby Playback board.  I could
> not find a pair of the C104 & C204 PP caps (5600p 100v).  No change, the
> deck functions just the same.  Playback sounds great initially, and after a
> few tracks, audio becomes distorted (actually "garbled")  :(.
>
>
>
> *Interesting Observation:*
>
> After listening to multiple recordings after an hour or so,  I found that
> the distortion is not audible while the playback is at -40db to -20db as
> shown on the deck's meter.  Distortion becomes audible at -12db to -15db.
> Very audible at -10db and nearly impossible to comprehend approaching 0db or
> more.
>
>
>
> Belts & motors seem strong.  I deoxidized the Tape/Source switch well.  I
> wonder if there is another board I should recap before sending it out to a
> tech.  I have read that all the orange caps should be replaced, but then the
> deck will have to be re-calabrted too.  I can work with a soldering
> iron, but I might be out of my league with calibrating.
>
> *January 2011*
> I acquired the 1000 ZXL this past Summer with an issue.  The audio is
> wonderful initially, until it warms up, then the distortion begins to set
> into the right channel and then the left.  Audio becomes "garbled."
> Distortion becomes audible in 10-15 minutes from initial startup.  Very
> quickly, the distortion becomes too annoying.  After powering down for 20
> minutes, the deck sounds briefly until the distortion returns.  I started to
> focus on the caps, but I wonder if it can be a transistor or microprocessor
> that fails when too warm.  Anyone have a suggestion?
>
>
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From ct.waveform at googlemail.com  Tue Apr 26 13:55:14 2011
From: ct.waveform at googlemail.com (Christian Thomas)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 12:55:14 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Beocord 9000
Message-ID: <BANLkTikJHOwufyxYpgA8g=SKDQgqc9U4Lg@mail.gmail.com>

I recently aquired a Beo 9000 which they say competes soundwise with Nak
decks.  I'd like to find out if this is true (and will happily share tyhe
results when I do) but at the moment it has no belts.  (That's how it came,
though the seller on eBay swore it was working when it left his hands!).  I
was wondering if anyone knows where I might find some?

Thanks in advance

Christian
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From luis at peromarta.org  Tue Apr 26 14:34:30 2011
From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 14:34:30 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000zxl - Distortion
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTi=gg9F0dDH1ZZF_VZb9jRFk8rnMDQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <478066290.452446.1303788191017.JavaMail.root@sz0062a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<1322747316.452746.1303788645985.JavaMail.root@sz0062a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
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Message-ID: <BAB2874A-D73F-41B6-9433-F085DDB24313@peromarta.org>

Trace the problem and see if it exists before the opamp on the playback board. 

Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos.

El 26/04/2011, a las 13:49, Christian Thomas <ct.waveform at googlemail.com> escribió:

> This sounds to me like something wrong in an amplifier stage.  It could be a transistor - or two - that has come to its last moments.  What is probably happening is that it is getting hot after a few tracks and then not doing what it should.  Odd, though that it would appear to be on both sides.
>  
> If you have a scope you could trace this from the tape amp onwards.  If you don't, but have a service manual and a multimeter, then you could check all the voltages down the signal chain.  It does sound like a job for someone reasonably expert so probably should be sent out to one of the techies you can find here.  But beforehand, do make sure that the problem is actually with the deck.  Ie.  change the input it's using, test other sources through the amp and so on until you have eliminated any other possibilities.  One other thing you might try is doing some looped recordings since this might narrow down where the fault lies.
>  
> Hope this helps
>  
> CT
> 
> On 26 April 2011 04:30, <brian.janke at comcast.net> wrote:
> I am following up on an email I sent early this year (See Below).  Thanks to all for your assistance in January.  I am reaching out once again, before deciding to send it out to a qualified technician.
> 
>  
> 
> I finally got around to replacing the two Electrolytic caps (C103 & C203) and all but one pair of the PP caps on the Dolby Playback board.  I could not find a pair of the C104 & C204 PP caps (5600p 100v).  No change, the deck functions just the same.  Playback sounds great initially, and after a few tracks, audio becomes distorted (actually "garbled")  :(.  
> 
>  
> 
> Interesting Observation:
> 
> After listening to multiple recordings after an hour or so,  I found that the distortion is not audible while the playback is at -40db to -20db as shown on the deck's meter.  Distortion becomes audible at -12db to -15db.  Very audible at -10db and nearly impossible to comprehend approaching 0db or more.
> 
>  
> 
> Belts & motors seem strong.  I deoxidized the Tape/Source switch well.  I wonder if there is another board I should recap before sending it out to a tech.  I have read that all the orange caps should be replaced, but then the deck will have to be re-calabrted too.  I can work with a soldering iron, but I might be out of my league with calibrating.  
> 
> January 2011
> I acquired the 1000 ZXL this past Summer with an issue.  The audio is wonderful initially, until it warms up, then the distortion begins to set into the right channel and then the left.  Audio becomes "garbled."  Distortion becomes audible in 10-15 minutes from initial startup.  Very quickly, the distortion becomes too annoying.  After powering down for 20 minutes, the deck sounds briefly until the distortion returns.  I started to focus on the caps, but I wonder if it can be a transistor or microprocessor that fails when too warm.  Anyone have a suggestion?
> 
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From luis at peromarta.org  Tue Apr 26 14:35:38 2011
From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 14:35:38 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000zxl - Distortion
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTi=gg9F0dDH1ZZF_VZb9jRFk8rnMDQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <478066290.452446.1303788191017.JavaMail.root@sz0062a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<1322747316.452746.1303788645985.JavaMail.root@sz0062a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<BANLkTi=gg9F0dDH1ZZF_VZb9jRFk8rnMDQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <17078137-E2C8-49AB-A9C5-7B1BC3EBEF43@peromarta.org>

Also opamp offset needs to be checked. That would be my first candidate. 

Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos.

El 26/04/2011, a las 13:49, Christian Thomas <ct.waveform at googlemail.com> escribió:

> This sounds to me like something wrong in an amplifier stage.  It could be a transistor - or two - that has come to its last moments.  What is probably happening is that it is getting hot after a few tracks and then not doing what it should.  Odd, though that it would appear to be on both sides.
>  
> If you have a scope you could trace this from the tape amp onwards.  If you don't, but have a service manual and a multimeter, then you could check all the voltages down the signal chain.  It does sound like a job for someone reasonably expert so probably should be sent out to one of the techies you can find here.  But beforehand, do make sure that the problem is actually with the deck.  Ie.  change the input it's using, test other sources through the amp and so on until you have eliminated any other possibilities.  One other thing you might try is doing some looped recordings since this might narrow down where the fault lies.
>  
> Hope this helps
>  
> CT
> 
> On 26 April 2011 04:30, <brian.janke at comcast.net> wrote:
> I am following up on an email I sent early this year (See Below).  Thanks to all for your assistance in January.  I am reaching out once again, before deciding to send it out to a qualified technician.
> 
>  
> 
> I finally got around to replacing the two Electrolytic caps (C103 & C203) and all but one pair of the PP caps on the Dolby Playback board.  I could not find a pair of the C104 & C204 PP caps (5600p 100v).  No change, the deck functions just the same.  Playback sounds great initially, and after a few tracks, audio becomes distorted (actually "garbled")  :(.  
> 
>  
> 
> Interesting Observation:
> 
> After listening to multiple recordings after an hour or so,  I found that the distortion is not audible while the playback is at -40db to -20db as shown on the deck's meter.  Distortion becomes audible at -12db to -15db.  Very audible at -10db and nearly impossible to comprehend approaching 0db or more.
> 
>  
> 
> Belts & motors seem strong.  I deoxidized the Tape/Source switch well.  I wonder if there is another board I should recap before sending it out to a tech.  I have read that all the orange caps should be replaced, but then the deck will have to be re-calabrted too.  I can work with a soldering iron, but I might be out of my league with calibrating.  
> 
> January 2011
> I acquired the 1000 ZXL this past Summer with an issue.  The audio is wonderful initially, until it warms up, then the distortion begins to set into the right channel and then the left.  Audio becomes "garbled."  Distortion becomes audible in 10-15 minutes from initial startup.  Very quickly, the distortion becomes too annoying.  After powering down for 20 minutes, the deck sounds briefly until the distortion returns.  I started to focus on the caps, but I wonder if it can be a transistor or microprocessor that fails when too warm.  Anyone have a suggestion?
> 
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From ronami at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 26 15:23:03 2011
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 06:23:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code!
In-Reply-To: <DUB101-w474F6D6653B935A1EBB365D5990@phx.gbl>
References: <932708.22333.qm@web112709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>,
	<941471.53931.qm@web130120.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<DUB101-w474F6D6653B935A1EBB365D5990@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <776759.97602.qm@web130120.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


That'll be great. It will save me the trouble of re-creating the CR-7 
CCF from scratch  My RC-5000i dies a horrible death, taking with 
it all stored data. I just got a TSU7750 (color screen) on ebay and 
am planning to repeat the chore of  'doing' the remote all over again 
:-(.

-- Ron





________________________________
From: winnie pooh <winniepoohlove at hotmail.com>
To: naktalk <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Mon, April 25, 2011 8:43:38 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code!

 
Hello Ron,

I am one of those that you sent the CR-7 Marantz RC-5000i file to. If you want 
to get a copy to replace your lost one I can attach it for all to share.

Thanks.


________________________________
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 06:48:42 -0700
From: ronami at yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code!
To: naktalk at naks.com



A long time ago I copied all remote codes from my CR-7 into a Marantz 
RC-5000i (same as Philips Pronto TSU1000). I subsequently sent the file 
to a couple of members here. Since then, I've lost both the file and the 
names of these members, but if any of them are reading this, they may be 
able to help?

-- Ron





________________________________
From: shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com>
To: naktalk at naks.com
Sent: Sat, April 23,  2011 3:04:04 PM
Subject: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code!


Hi,

As all of you know, the Cr 7 is operable with its factory supplied infra red 
remote. I was wondering what was the code for that remote transmitter if I had 
to program a universal remote 

to work with it.

I have not been able to program a SONY with its supplied Nakamichi code.

If any one knows could you please share that info?

Thanks
Ram.
 
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From ronami at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 26 15:25:04 2011
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 06:25:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] BX-150 problem
In-Reply-To: <611736423.433564.1303786650773.JavaMail.root@sz0068a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
References: <611736423.433564.1303786650773.JavaMail.root@sz0068a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <608223.18136.qm@web130109.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


This could be anything, but IME it's a power supply problem. 
More often than not, the -12V has bit the dust. 

-- Ron





________________________________
From: "npt at comcast.net" <npt at comcast.net>
To: naktalk at naks.com
Sent: Mon, April 25, 2011 10:57:30 PM
Subject: [naktalk] BX-150 problem


OK, I just popped a tape into my deck, which was working like a champ, and now I 
hit the Play button, and nothing happens. Same if I hit FF or reverse; it sounds 
like the command is received and something's TRYING to happen, but nothing does.
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From lenaw at flash.net  Tue Apr 26 15:25:25 2011
From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 06:25:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Beocord 9000
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTikJHOwufyxYpgA8g=SKDQgqc9U4Lg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTikJHOwufyxYpgA8g=SKDQgqc9U4Lg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <971003.92738.qm@web80207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Christian:
                     I used to own a B&O 9000 and I ordered the belts from a 
European Gentleman. There is only one belt. I will go and look at my folder to 
see whether I still have his email address and you can contact him to use 
whether he still has belts for sale. 


                     The transport of the 9000 is very simple and it has only 1 
motor. Amazingly the W&F it claims is very low - rival the best of the Naks. I 
believe I still have the original kit that came with the deck ( azimuth adjust 
tapes and a bunch of cleaning stuffs: it came with two TDK MA-R and one demo 
tape which is recorded on the same deck they ship to you in real-time and it is 
a TDK AD ). If I find the kit I will be glad to send it to you as I don't own 
the 9000 anymore. 


                     It has great sound ( subjective ) but it is a very poor 
design deck and the worksmanship cannot be compared with Nak. When everything 
works the deck can provide you with hours of musical enjoyment. It has one 
calibration parameter that NAK's ABLE doesn't has and this might contribute to 
its own sonic signature. 



Best Regards,
Mike

 



________________________________
From: Christian Thomas <ct.waveform at googlemail.com>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tue, April 26, 2011 6:55:14 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Beocord 9000


I recently aquired a Beo 9000 which they say competes soundwise with Nak decks.  
I'd like to find out if this is true (and will happily share tyhe results when I 
do) but at the moment it has no belts.  (That's how it came, though the seller 
on eBay swore it was working when it left his hands!).  I was wondering if 
anyone knows where I might find some?

Thanks in advance

Christian
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From willy at willyhermannservices.com  Tue Apr 26 17:41:29 2011
From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 07:41:29 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Repair service in Chicago?
In-Reply-To: <4DB4B9D9.5070108@metrowebstudios.com>
References: <4DB4B9D9.5070108@metrowebstudios.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTim8rLg02tHhdeBPjwUbDuaAfQJAGg@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry Ron - I don't know of anyone in your area.

Willy

On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 4:01 PM, daddyo <daddyo at metrowebstudios.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have a Nakamichi CR-1A cassette deck that all of a sudden won't play.
> Anyone know of a repair service in the Chicago area?
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Ron
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From willy at willyhermannservices.com  Tue Apr 26 17:44:42 2011
From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 07:44:42 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000zxl - Distortion
In-Reply-To: <1322747316.452746.1303788645985.JavaMail.root@sz0062a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <478066290.452446.1303788191017.JavaMail.root@sz0062a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<1322747316.452746.1303788645985.JavaMail.root@sz0062a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <BANLkTikZJfTeV8g9GYUO=ONxK4=OQ1K+zA@mail.gmail.com>

Did you perform the DC offset adjustment specified in step 2 of the
calibration instructions?

Willy

On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 7:30 PM, <brian.janke at comcast.net> wrote:

>  I am following up on an email I sent early this year (See Below).  Thanks
> to all for your assistance in January.  I am reaching out once again, before
> deciding to send it out to a qualified technician.
>
>
>
> I finally got around to replacing the two Electrolytic caps (C103 & C203)
> and all but one pair of the PP caps on the Dolby Playback board.  I could
> not find a pair of the C104 & C204 PP caps (5600p 100v).  No change, the
> deck functions just the same.  Playback sounds great initially, and after a
> few tracks, audio becomes distorted (actually "garbled")  :(.
>
>
>
> *Interesting Observation:*
>
> After listening to multiple recordings after an hour or so,  I found that
> the distortion is not audible while the playback is at -40db to -20db as
> shown on the deck's meter.  Distortion becomes audible at -12db to -15db.
> Very audible at -10db and nearly impossible to comprehend approaching 0db or
> more.
>
>
>
> Belts & motors seem strong.  I deoxidized the Tape/Source switch well.  I
> wonder if there is another board I should recap before sending it out to a
> tech.  I have read that all the orange caps should be replaced, but then the
> deck will have to be re-calabrted too.  I can work with a soldering
> iron, but I might be out of my league with calibrating.
>
> *January 2011*
> I acquired the 1000 ZXL this past Summer with an issue.  The audio is
> wonderful initially, until it warms up, then the distortion begins to set
> into the right channel and then the left.  Audio becomes "garbled."
> Distortion becomes audible in 10-15 minutes from initial startup.  Very
> quickly, the distortion becomes too annoying.  After powering down for 20
> minutes, the deck sounds briefly until the distortion returns.  I started to
> focus on the caps, but I wonder if it can be a transistor or microprocessor
> that fails when too warm.  Anyone have a suggestion?
>
>
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From gabrenas at math.utah.edu  Tue Apr 26 18:15:41 2011
From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 10:15:41 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000zxl - Distortion
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References: <478066290.452446.1303788191017.JavaMail.root@sz0062a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>	<1322747316.452746.1303788645985.JavaMail.root@sz0062a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>	<BANLkTi=gg9F0dDH1ZZF_VZb9jRFk8rnMDQ@mail.gmail.com>
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I agree, It does sound like an offset issue.

 

Vic

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Luis Peromarta Regert
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 6:36 AM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 1000zxl - Distortion

 

Also opamp offset needs to be checked. That would be my first candidate. 

Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos.


El 26/04/2011, a las 13:49, Christian Thomas <ct.waveform at googlemail.com> escribió:

This sounds to me like something wrong in an amplifier stage.  It could be a transistor - or two - that has come to its last moments.  What is probably happening is that it is getting hot after a few tracks and then not doing what it should.  Odd, though that it would appear to be on both sides.

 

If you have a scope you could trace this from the tape amp onwards.  If you don't, but have a service manual and a multimeter, then you could check all the voltages down the signal chain.  It does sound like a job for someone reasonably expert so probably should be sent out to one of the techies you can find here.  But beforehand, do make sure that the problem is actually with the deck.  Ie.  change the input it's using, test other sources through the amp and so on until you have eliminated any other possibilities.  One other thing you might try is doing some looped recordings since this might narrow down where the fault lies.

 

Hope this helps

 

CT

On 26 April 2011 04:30, <brian.janke at comcast.net> wrote:

I am following up on an email I sent early this year (See Below).  Thanks to all for your assistance in January.  I am reaching out once again, before deciding to send it out to a qualified technician.

 

I finally got around to replacing the two Electrolytic caps (C103 & C203) and all but one pair of the PP caps on the Dolby Playback board.  I could not find a pair of the C104 & C204 PP caps (5600p 100v).  No change, the deck functions just the same.  Playback sounds great initially, and after a few tracks, audio becomes distorted (actually "garbled")  :(.   

 

Interesting Observation:

After listening to multiple recordings after an hour or so,  I found that the distortion is not audible while the playback is at -40db to -20db as shown on the deck's meter.  Distortion becomes audible at -12db to -15db.  Very audible at -10db and nearly impossible to comprehend approaching 0db or more.

 

Belts & motors seem strong.  I deoxidized the Tape/Source switch well.  I wonder if there is another board I should recap before sending it out to a tech.  I have read that all the orange caps should be replaced, but then the deck will have to be re-calabrted too.  I can work with a soldering iron, but I might be out of my league with calibrating.   

January 2011

I acquired the 1000 ZXL this past Summer with an issue.  The audio is wonderful initially, until it warms up, then the distortion begins to set into the right channel and then the left.  Audio becomes "garbled."  Distortion becomes audible in 10-15 minutes from initial startup.  Very quickly, the distortion becomes too annoying.  After powering down for 20 minutes, the deck sounds briefly until the distortion returns.  I started to focus on the caps, but I wonder if it can be a transistor or microprocessor that fails when too warm.  Anyone have a suggestion?


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From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com  Tue Apr 26 20:49:37 2011
From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 20:49:37 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000zxl - Distortion
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References: <1322747316.452746.1303788645985.JavaMail.root@sz0062a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <BCC4C087-BD01-4893-B3F7-BF5572146D49@gmail.com>

Hi !

I do have the same problem with my first 1000-ZXL.

I did replace all PP- cups in the play back amp. with original PP-  
100 Volt cups.
before that I did check the head by change the channels left to right.
Check the whirring and connectors, from the head to the PB- amp.

The Deck was after this just better and a longer time without that  
distortion on the right channel.

Next time I do change all CE- cups, the most important must be the so  
cold LOW NOISE  CE cups.
This ones  have less live time than normal CE- cups.
only the LN  ones will  be  replaced with Panasonic gold Audio cups.
The IC´s and the FET transistors get power from them.
This are the orange colored CE cups in the Naks. One of them is C203  
6.3 (LN)

If that does not help I will check the two vario Resistors, VR 101  
and VR 201,

After This I have some Ideas more.

Cool Down or heat up gentle small areas from the amp. while the amp.  
it is in the Deck and working.

Heating up can work with a small, long pipe on a hear fan.

Cooling down works with a spay from the electronic shop.

And we check the power supply for the playback Amp, If this it gets  
worm up.
-12Volt and +12 Volt at CN47

Please let us know how you-re ZXL get rite off this small problem.

regards

gerhard

.





If that does not
Am 26.04.2011 um 05:30 schrieb brian.janke at comcast.net:

> I am following up on an email I sent early this year (See Below).   
> Thanks to all for your assistance in January.  I am reaching out  
> once again, before deciding to send it out to a qualified technician.
>
>
> I finally got around to replacing the two Electrolytic caps (C103 &  
> C203) and all but one pair of the PP caps on the Dolby Playback  
> board.  I could not find a pair of the C104 & C204 PP caps (5600p  
> 100v).  No change, the deck functions just the same.  Playback  
> sounds great initially, and after a few tracks, audio becomes  
> distorted (actually "garbled")  :(.
>
>
> Interesting Observation:
>
> After listening to multiple recordings after an hour or so,  I  
> found that the distortion is not audible while the playback is at  
> -40db to -20db as shown on the deck's meter.  Distortion becomes  
> audible at -12db to -15db.  Very audible at -10db and nearly  
> impossible to comprehend approaching 0db or more.
>
>
> Belts & motors seem strong.  I deoxidized the Tape/Source switch  
> well.  I wonder if there is another board I should recap before  
> sending it out to a tech.  I have read that all the orange caps  
> should be replaced, but then the deck will have to be re-calabrted  
> too.  I can work with a soldering iron, but I might be out of my  
> league with calibrating.
>
> January 2011
> I acquired the 1000 ZXL this past Summer with an issue.  The audio  
> is wonderful initially, until it warms up, then the distortion  
> begins to set into the right channel and then the left.  Audio  
> becomes "garbled."  Distortion becomes audible in 10-15 minutes  
> from initial startup.  Very quickly, the distortion becomes too  
> annoying.  After powering down for 20 minutes, the deck sounds  
> briefly until the distortion returns.  I started to focus on the  
> caps, but I wonder if it can be a transistor or microprocessor that  
> fails when too warm.  Anyone have a suggestion?
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From hhtltd at juno.com  Tue Apr 26 16:45:47 2011
From: hhtltd at juno.com (hhtltd at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 10:45:47 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Beocord 9000
Message-ID: <20110426.104548.880.1.hhtltd@juno.com>

Christine:

    You should give the seller a negative rating and file complaint with
EBAY. The Beogram 9000 like most (not all) other
tape units WILL NOTG operate with no belts. Misrepresenting the
operational integrity of any equipment is considered
in many cases as fraudulent sale. In short, it couldn't have worked no
matter what he said. 

    Get belts from Vintage electronics or Marr communications.

Good Luck!

NCM

On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 12:55:14 +0100 Christian Thomas
<ct.waveform at googlemail.com> writes:
I recently aquired a Beo 9000 which they say competes soundwise with Nak
decks.  I'd like to find out if this is true (and will happily share tyhe
results when I do) but at the moment it has no belts.  (That's how it
came, though the seller on eBay swore it was working when it left his
hands!).  I was wondering if anyone knows where I might find some?

Thanks in advance

Christian
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From RKunst at C-K.com  Tue Apr 26 16:55:22 2011
From: RKunst at C-K.com (Ray Kunst)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 09:55:22 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Repair service in Chicago?
In-Reply-To: <4DB4B9D9.5070108@metrowebstudios.com>
Message-ID: <C9DC46D6.3ED6%rkunst@c-k.com>

20th Century Tv & Stereo
(773) 920-1929
1615 W Montrose Ave
Chicago



On 4/24/11 7:01 PM, "daddyo" <daddyo at metrowebstudios.com> wrote:

>Hi,
>
>I have a Nakamichi CR-1A cassette deck that all of a sudden won't play.
>Anyone know of a repair service in the Chicago area?
>
>
>Thanks
>
>Ron




From chartz at club-internet.fr  Tue Apr 26 17:15:19 2011
From: chartz at club-internet.fr (Jacques Frantz)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 17:15:19 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Beocord 9000
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTikJHOwufyxYpgA8g=SKDQgqc9U4Lg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTikJHOwufyxYpgA8g=SKDQgqc9U4Lg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BF77390B-E261-4DB0-90C2-2597B31087AC@club-internet.fr>

Hi, 

Belts for your Beocord can be found chez Martin Olsen, aka Dillen on the Beoworld forums. Just send him a PM and he will send you back his very reasonable costs, and he provides excellent colour illustrations. I can confirm that the BC 9000 is indeed a Nakamichi eater, but it will have to be fully overhauled if to give optimum performance. Typically, you will have to fully re-cap the unit and re-adjust everything, but this will be easy enough if you can understand a service manual. The B&O ones are very explicit.


Jacques

Le 26 avr. 2011 à 13:55, Christian Thomas <ct.waveform at googlemail.com> a écrit :

> I recently aquired a Beo 9000 which they say competes soundwise with Nak decks.  I'd like to find out if this is true (and will happily share tyhe results when I do) but at the moment it has no belts.  (That's how it came, though the seller on eBay swore it was working when it left his hands!).  I was wondering if anyone knows where I might find some?
>  
> Thanks in advance
>  
> Christian
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From zero_duke at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Apr 26 17:32:27 2011
From: zero_duke at yahoo.co.uk (Claudio)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 12:32:27 -0300
Subject: [naktalk] Beocord 9000
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTikJHOwufyxYpgA8g=SKDQgqc9U4Lg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTikJHOwufyxYpgA8g=SKDQgqc9U4Lg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7A4ED774-4711-4CFF-BCB9-2CCDD6A76C59@yahoo.co.uk>

Hi Christian.
I do have the B&O Beocord 9000 linked to a Beomaster 6000.  It is an incredible machine, very good for classical music, quite natural sound.  But it doesn't sound like a Nak and I think it was not intended to as they looked for a special "B&o" sound.
Regarding the belts, please ask Fred (marrscommunications).  He use to have some made in Japan.
Regards,

Claudio


Sent from the MacBook


On 26 Apr 2011, at 08:55, Christian Thomas wrote:

> I recently aquired a Beo 9000 which they say competes soundwise with Nak decks.  I'd like to find out if this is true (and will happily share tyhe results when I do) but at the moment it has no belts.  (That's how it came, though the seller on eBay swore it was working when it left his hands!).  I was wondering if anyone knows where I might find some?
>  
> Thanks in advance
>  
> Christian
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From claude-bonnafous at wanadoo.fr  Tue Apr 26 20:44:43 2011
From: claude-bonnafous at wanadoo.fr (Claude BONNAFOUS)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 20:44:43 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] BX-150 problem
Message-ID: <12C75DF55BDA4D0593A020BB36AD92DA@CLO2842>

""OK, I just popped a tape into my deck, which was working like a champ, and now I hit the Play button, and nothing happens. Same if I hit FF or reverse; it sounds like the command is received and something's TRYING to happen, but nothing does. ""

        Well, that sounds like the mode motor issue. Very common problem, it can be fixed by replacing, or refurbishing, or just cleaning it (the Deoxit trick !) This has been discussed many times a few months (years ?) ago. A quick, but temporary fix can be performed: remove the cover, the mode motor is on the left of the transport, it has a white plastic "wormgear" that you can -carefully- nudge somehow with your fingers. That might be enough to restore functions, at least for some time...I hope it will help, but other Naktalkers will probably provide better and more complete information.
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From ronami at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 27 00:22:02 2011
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 15:22:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code!
In-Reply-To: <776759.97602.qm@web130120.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <932708.22333.qm@web112709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>,
	<941471.53931.qm@web130120.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<DUB101-w474F6D6653B935A1EBB365D5990@phx.gbl>
	<776759.97602.qm@web130120.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <199326.96644.qm@web130106.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thanks much,

-- Ron




________________________________
From: Ron <ronami at yahoo.com>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tue, April 26, 2011 9:23:03 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code!



That'll be great. It will save me the trouble of re-creating the CR-7 
CCF from scratch  My RC-5000i dies a horrible death, taking with 
it all stored data. I just got a TSU7750 (color screen) on ebay and 
am planning to repeat the chore of  'doing' the remote all over again 
:-(.

-- Ron





________________________________
From: winnie pooh <winniepoohlove at hotmail.com>
To: naktalk <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Mon, April 25,  2011 8:43:38 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code!

 
Hello Ron,

I am one of those that you sent the CR-7 Marantz RC-5000i file to. If you want 
to get a copy to replace your lost one I can attach it for all to share.

Thanks.


________________________________
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 06:48:42 -0700
From: ronami at yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code!
To: naktalk at naks.com



A long time ago I copied all remote codes from my CR-7 into a Marantz 
RC-5000i (same as Philips Pronto TSU1000). I subsequently sent the file 
to a couple of members here. Since then, I've lost both the file and the 
names of these members, but if any of them are reading this, they may be 
able to help?

-- Ron





________________________________
From: shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com>
To: naktalk at naks.com
Sent: Sat, April 23,  2011 3:04:04 PM
Subject: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code!


Hi,

As all of you know, the Cr 7 is operable with its factory supplied infra red 
remote. I was wondering what was the code for that remote transmitter if I had 
to program a universal remote 

to work with it.

I have not been able to program a SONY with its supplied Nakamichi code.

If any one knows could you please share that info?

Thanks
Ram.
 
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From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 27 03:09:17 2011
From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 18:09:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Beocord 9000
In-Reply-To: <BF77390B-E261-4DB0-90C2-2597B31087AC@club-internet.fr>
Message-ID: <367064.12624.qm@web112709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Or you may contact Fred Marrs for a belt kit for this beocord unit. He sold me a set  and it worked great.
However, I fervently disagree that the Beocord 9000 is a Nak Killer. At least not the ZXl, Dragon, Zx7/9,Cr7 etc.....not even close!
Its is just cool to look at with good sound from a single capstan deck. Not great sound.Just MHO.
Ram.


--- On Tue, 4/26/11, Jacques Frantz <chartz at club-internet.fr> wrote:

From: Jacques Frantz <chartz at club-internet.fr>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 11:15 AM

Hi, 

Belts for your Beocord can be found chez Martin Olsen, aka Dillen on the Beoworld forums. Just send him a PM and he will send you back his very reasonable costs, and he provides excellent colour illustrations. I can confirm that the BC 9000 is indeed a Nakamichi eater, but it will have to be fully overhauled if to give optimum performance. Typically, you will have to fully re-cap the unit and re-adjust everything, but this will be easy enough if you can understand a service manual. The B&O ones are very explicit.


Jacques

Le 26 avr. 2011 à 13:55, Christian Thomas <ct.waveform at googlemail.com> a écrit :

> I recently aquired a Beo 9000 which they say competes soundwise with Nak decks.  I'd like to find out if this is true (and will happily share tyhe results when I do) but at the moment it has no belts.  (That's how it came, though the seller on eBay swore it was working when it left his hands!).  I was wondering if anyone knows where I might find some?
>  
> Thanks in advance
>  
> Christian
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From jeruff at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 27 00:43:04 2011
From: jeruff at yahoo.com (jesse ruff)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 15:43:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Repair service in Chicago?
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTim8rLg02tHhdeBPjwUbDuaAfQJAGg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <11055.78940.qm@web83714.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Hello,
I live in Chicago and would recommend a couple places.  Let me rephrase--recommend might be a little strong!  l I know they can fix it!  20th Century will definitely fix your Nak--Mitch has been there for like 40 plus years, and his shop is awesome--tons of cool vintage electronics, and he's actually the one to put me on to Nakamichi--he's a bit crabby to say the least though.  Deltronics is also reliable, but expect to shell out some cash.  I've heard of other spots, but haven't taken stuff to them; maybe Decibel on Milwaukee, but maybe not--their tech may not have the experience/parts.  
Jesse  

--- On Tue, 4/26/11, Willy Hermann <willy at willyhermannservices.com> wrote:

From: Willy Hermann <willy at willyhermannservices.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Repair service in Chicago?
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 11:41 AM

Sorry Ron - I don't know of anyone in your area.
Willy

On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 4:01 PM, daddyo <daddyo at metrowebstudios.com> wrote:

Hi,



I have a Nakamichi CR-1A cassette deck that all of a sudden won't play. Anyone know of a repair service in the Chicago area?





Thanks



Ron

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From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com  Wed Apr 27 02:56:28 2011
From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 00:56:28 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code!
In-Reply-To: <776759.97602.qm@web130120.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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No problems, Ron. Least I can do after all the help you provided last time. I've attached it to this post. Just curious, what happened to the RC-5000i? Are the .ccf files compatible with the newer remotes like TSU7750?



Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 06:23:03 -0700
From: ronami at yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code!
To: naktalk at naks.com




That'll be great. It will save me the trouble of re-creating the CR-7 
CCF from scratch  My RC-5000i dies a horrible death, taking with 
it all stored data. I just got a TSU7750 (color screen) on ebay and 
am planning to repeat the chore of  'doing' the remote all over again 
:-(.

-- Ron


From: winnie pooh <winniepoohlove at hotmail.com>
To: naktalk <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Mon, April 25,
 2011 8:43:38 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code!







Hello Ron,

I am one of those that you sent the CR-7 Marantz RC-5000i file to. If you want to get a copy to replace your lost one I can attach it for all to share.

Thanks.


Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 06:48:42 -0700
From: ronami at yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code!
To: naktalk at naks.com


 

A long time ago I copied all remote codes from my CR-7 into a Marantz 
RC-5000i (same as Philips Pronto TSU1000). I subsequently sent the file 
to a couple of members here. Since then, I've lost both the file and the 
names of these members, but if any of them are reading this, they may be 
able to help?

-- Ron


From: shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com>
To: naktalk at naks.com
Sent: Sat, April 23,
 2011 3:04:04 PM
Subject: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code!


Hi,

As all of you know, the Cr 7 is operable with its factory supplied infra red remote. I was wondering what was the code for that remote transmitter if I had to program a universal remote 
to work with it.

I have not been able to program a SONY with its supplied Nakamichi code.

If any one knows could you please share that info?

Thanks
Ram.


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From timpamsepper at cox.net  Wed Apr 27 03:43:54 2011
From: timpamsepper at cox.net (Tim and Pam Sepper)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 18:43:54 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Tapes you use to record
Message-ID: <000301cc047c$9143feb0$b3cbfc10$@net>

I just bought some TDK SM Pro Premium High bias tape from J&R for $4 each.
Looks like pretty good specs, I think.  Anyone have experience with these?
Comparable to TDK SA?

 

Tim

 

 

Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 19:51:15 -0600

From: Mark Exstedt <mark8559 at hotmail.com>

Subject: FW: [naktalk] Tapes you use to record

To: <naktalk at naks.com>

Message-ID: <SNT111-W64AA227949F43953EEF4EDBA60 at phx.gbl>

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

 

 

You can't go wrong with TDK SA or Maxell XLII.

They are available on Ebay and some listings have reasonable prices.

It's also a good idea to buy used TDK SA and Maxell XLII and then erase them


with a bulk eraser before doing your recordings.

I also use Denon HD-8, HD-7, and HD-6 cassettes to record my treasured LP 

collection.

I've been recording cassettes since the 70's and my preference hasen't
changed much. 

I use the TDK-SA on acoustic guitar and the Maxell XLII on heavy metal.

> From: hockeyeast at yahoo.com

> Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 19:50:59 -0400

> To: naktalk at naks.com

> Subject: [naktalk] Tapes you use to record

> 

> 

> Maybe this has been covered before, so if it has I apologize. What tapes
do you use to record with. Your favorites? Thanks...rich

 

 

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From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 27 03:32:08 2011
From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 18:32:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Beocord 9000
Message-ID: <851743.95548.qm@web112708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>


Well,
I am attaching a photo of a deck(BX300) I 
received yesterday from a seller on ebay, who claimed the deck worked 
fine when he sold it. I could not even bring myself to insert a cassette tape  in this deck's well.
Once
 powered up, the transformer overheated and the deck just went 
blip....off! The capstans did rotate though until all went quiet.( about three minutes n all)
Ebay is refunding the money( its back to the seller already) and the seller will get a nice negative for sure.
I hope the seller is not a naktalk member! :)
Ram.



--- On Tue, 4/26/11, hhtltd at juno.com <hhtltd at juno.com> wrote:

From:
 hhtltd at juno.com <hhtltd at juno.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000
To: naktalk at naks.com
Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 10:45 AM



 
 
 
Christine:
 
    You should give the seller a negative rating and file 
complaint with EBAY. The Beogram 9000 like most (not all) other
tape units WILL NOTG operate with no belts. Misrepresenting the operational 
integrity of any equipment is considered
in many cases as fraudulent sale. In short, it couldn't have worked no 
matter what he said. 
 
    Get belts from Vintage electronics or Marr 
communications.
 
Good Luck!
 
NCM
 
On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 12:55:14 +0100 Christian Thomas <ct.waveform at googlemail.com> 
writes:

  
  I recently aquired a Beo 9000 which they say competes soundwise with Nak 
  decks.  I'd like to find out if this is true (and will happily share tyhe 
  results when I do) but at the moment it has no belts.  (That's how it 
  came, though the seller on eBay swore it was working when it left his 
  hands!).  I was wondering if anyone knows where I might find some?
   
  Thanks in advance
   
  Christian
    



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From fred at marrscom.com  Wed Apr 27 12:47:05 2011
From: fred at marrscom.com (Fred Marrs)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 05:47:05 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] 4-27-11 SHIP TIME AGREEMENT / GUARANTEE / WRONG
	IMPRESSION ?
Message-ID: <4DB7F429.3010908@marrscom.com>

4-27-11

THANK YOU TO ALL CUSTOMERS FOR YOUR BUSINESS !

The Current Ship Time Average is 6 Business Days.

I have tried being Diplomatic explaining my Ship Time Guarantee, but 
that has Not worked.
Here is the Agreement  " We " are making, when / if you make a Purchase. 
If I ship
your order withing the Following Time Frames, you are OBLIGATED to leave 
5 Stars
for SHIP TIME performance !  If you do Not Agree, buy your Belts from 
Another Seller !


Nakamichi  and All  "Factory"  Belt Kits

0-10 Business Days. ( Monday thru Friday )

This means I have up to, 10 Business days to SHIP your Order !


* See the Description in my Listings for further explanations. *

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


" Other "  Brands and Items.

0-20 Business Days. ( Monday thru Friday )

This means I have up to, 20 Business days to SHIP your Order !


* See the Description in my Listings for further explanations. *



REMEMBER, If I do Ship within the time frames above, you are OBLIGATED 
to leave 5 Stars

for SHIP TIME performance !  If you do Not Agree, buy your Belts from 
Another Seller !


If you want the Absolute Highest Quality belts available, Marrs has them.

The Only Store on eBay selling Belts,  MADE IN JAPAN !

Thank You Again !   Fred M.   orders at marrscommunications.com


From fred at marrscom.com  Wed Apr 27 13:05:43 2011
From: fred at marrscom.com (Fred Marrs)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 06:05:43 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] 4-27-11  Beocord 9000 Belts In Stock
Message-ID: <4DB7F887.3020405@marrscom.com>

Hello,

The 2 Belts for the 9000 are in stock.

$19.95 Shipping Included Worldwide

Fred M.


From mark8559 at hotmail.com  Wed Apr 27 15:47:12 2011
From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 07:47:12 -0600
Subject: FW: [naktalk] Tapes you use to record
In-Reply-To: <000301cc047c$9143feb0$b3cbfc10$@net>
References: <000301cc047c$9143feb0$b3cbfc10$@net>
Message-ID: <SNT111-W43DD877DC44438C95C90E5DB980@phx.gbl>



Brand new TDK high bias cassettes are still available, and at reasonable cost:
 
http://www.jr.com/product/productListing.jsp?Ntt=tdk+cassette
 


From: timpamsepper at cox.net
To: naktalk at naks.com
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 18:43:54 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Tapes you use to record






I just bought some TDK SM Pro Premium High bias tape from J&R for $4 each.  Looks like pretty good specs, I think.  Anyone have experience with these?  Comparable to TDK SA?
 
Tim
 
  		 	   		  
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From ronami at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 27 16:34:26 2011
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 07:34:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code!
In-Reply-To: <DUB101-w6543A7D1C5C18BD50C354FD5980@phx.gbl>
References: <932708.22333.qm@web112709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, ,
	<941471.53931.qm@web130120.mail.mud.yahoo.com>,
	<DUB101-w474F6D6653B935A1EBB365D5990@phx.gbl>,
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The RC-5000i simply died. It was working one day and the next 
time I tried to use it, it was dead. Battery was still charged, but 
there was no response. I'll either bury it, or offer it for parts on 
the ePlace.

The TSU7500 is an NG (New Generation) remote, based on 
pcf (rather than ccf) files. I understand the Philips S/W can take 
ccf files and generate pcf equivalents. The TSU7500 also adds 
another complication, due to the color screen. 

I now have to re-program all my components on the TSU7500 
-- a job I am not looking forward to. I plan to do it any month 
now  :-).   Meanwhile, I (again) have a plethora of remotes 
cluttering up my coffee table  :-(.

Thanks again for the file,

-- Ron





________________________________
From: winnie pooh <winniepoohlove at hotmail.com>
To: naktalk <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tue, April 26, 2011 8:56:28 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code!

 
No problems, Ron. Least I can do after all the help you provided last time. I've 
attached it to this post. Just curious, what happened to the RC-5000i? Are the 
.ccf files compatible with the newer remotes like TSU7750?



________________________________
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 06:23:03 -0700
From: ronami at yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code!
To: naktalk at naks.com



That'll be great. It will save me the trouble of re-creating the CR-7 
CCF from scratch  My RC-5000i dies a horrible death, taking with 
it all stored data. I just got a TSU7750 (color screen) on ebay and 
am planning to repeat the chore of  'doing' the remote all over again 
:-(.

-- Ron





________________________________
From: winnie pooh <winniepoohlove at hotmail.com>
To: naktalk <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Mon, April 25,  2011 8:43:38 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code!

 
Hello Ron,

I am one of those that you sent the CR-7 Marantz RC-5000i file to. If you want 
to get a copy to replace your lost one I can attach it for all to share.

Thanks.


________________________________
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 06:48:42 -0700
From: ronami at yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code!
To: naktalk at naks.com



A long time ago I copied all remote codes from my CR-7 into a Marantz 
RC-5000i (same as Philips Pronto TSU1000). I subsequently sent the file 
to a couple of members here. Since then, I've lost both the file and the 
names of these members, but if any of them are reading this, they may be 
able to help?

-- Ron





________________________________
From: shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com>
To: naktalk at naks.com
Sent: Sat, April 23,  2011 3:04:04 PM
Subject: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code!


Hi,

As all of you know, the Cr 7 is operable with its factory supplied infra red 
remote. I was wondering what was the code for that remote transmitter if I had 
to program a universal remote 

to work with it.

I have not been able to program a SONY with its supplied Nakamichi code.

If any one knows could you please share that info?

Thanks
Ram.
 
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From gabrenas at math.utah.edu  Wed Apr 27 18:06:32 2011
From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 10:06:32 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Beocord 9000
In-Reply-To: <851743.95548.qm@web112708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <851743.95548.qm@web112708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002901cc04f5$14375150$3ca5f3f0$@math.utah.edu>

Ram, the photo looks like "new in the box"

 

Vic

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of shanti ramachandran
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 7:32 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000

 



Well,

 

I am attaching a photo of a deck(BX300) I received yesterday from a seller
on ebay, who claimed the deck worked fine when he sold it. I could not even
bring myself to insert a cassette tape  in this deck's well.

 

Once powered up, the transformer overheated and the deck just went
blip....off! The capstans did rotate though until all went quiet.( about
three minutes n all)

 

Ebay is refunding the money( its back to the seller already) and the seller
will get a nice negative for sure.

 

I hope the seller is not a naktalk member! :)

 

Ram.

 

 



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From: hhtltd at juno.com <hhtltd at juno.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000
To: naktalk at naks.com
Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 10:45 AM

Christine:

 

    You should give the seller a negative rating and file complaint with
EBAY. The Beogram 9000 like most (not all) other

tape units WILL NOTG operate with no belts. Misrepresenting the operational
integrity of any equipment is considered

in many cases as fraudulent sale. In short, it couldn't have worked no
matter what he said. 

 

    Get belts from Vintage electronics or Marr communications.

 

Good Luck!

 

NCM

 

On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 12:55:14 +0100 Christian Thomas
<ct.waveform at googlemail.com> writes:

I recently aquired a Beo 9000 which they say competes soundwise with Nak
decks.  I'd like to find out if this is true (and will happily share tyhe
results when I do) but at the moment it has no belts.  (That's how it came,
though the seller on eBay swore it was working when it left his hands!).  I
was wondering if anyone knows where I might find some?

 

Thanks in advance

 

Christian

 



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From hhtltd at juno.com  Wed Apr 27 19:15:19 2011
From: hhtltd at juno.com (hhtltd at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 13:15:19 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Beocord 9000
Message-ID: <20110427.131520.3376.7.hhtltd@juno.com>

Ram-

Sounds and smells like incorrect voltage setting.

NCM

On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 10:06:32 -0600 "Victor Gabrenas"
<gabrenas at math.utah.edu> writes:
Ram, the photo looks like �new in the box�
 
Vic
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On
Behalf Of shanti ramachandran
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 7:32 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000
 

Well,
 
I am attaching a photo of a deck(BX300) I received yesterday from a
seller on ebay, who claimed the deck worked fine when he sold it. I could
not even bring myself to insert a cassette tape  in this deck's well.
 
Once powered up, the transformer overheated and the deck just went
blip....off! The capstans did rotate though until all went quiet.( about
three minutes n all)
 
Ebay is refunding the money( its back to the seller already) and the
seller will get a nice negative for sure.
 
I hope the seller is not a naktalk member! :)
 
Ram.
 
 


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From: hhtltd at juno.com <hhtltd at juno.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000
To: naktalk at naks.com
Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 10:45 AM
Christine:
 
    You should give the seller a negative rating and file complaint with
EBAY. The Beogram 9000 like most (not all) other
tape units WILL NOTG operate with no belts. Misrepresenting the
operational integrity of any equipment is considered
in many cases as fraudulent sale. In short, it couldn't have worked no
matter what he said. 
 
    Get belts from Vintage electronics or Marr communications.
 
Good Luck!
 
NCM
 
On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 12:55:14 +0100 Christian Thomas
<ct.waveform at googlemail.com> writes:
I recently aquired a Beo 9000 which they say competes soundwise with Nak
decks.  I'd like to find out if this is true (and will happily share tyhe
results when I do) but at the moment it has no belts.  (That's how it
came, though the seller on eBay swore it was working when it left his
hands!).  I was wondering if anyone knows where I might find some?
 
Thanks in advance
 
Christian
 


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From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 27 21:04:11 2011
From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (Ram)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 15:04:11 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Beocord 9000
In-Reply-To: <20110427.131520.3376.7.hhtltd@juno.com>
References: <20110427.131520.3376.7.hhtltd@juno.com>
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Said to be a 110 volt deck on the back.

Ram




On Apr 27, 2011, at 1:15 PM, hhtltd at juno.com wrote:

> Ram-
>  
> Sounds and smells like incorrect voltage setting.
>  
> NCM
>  
> On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 10:06:32 -0600 "Victor Gabrenas" <gabrenas at math.utah.edu> writes:
> Ram, the photo looks like “new in the box”
> 
>  
> 
> Vic
> 
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran
> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 7:32 PM
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000
> 
>  
> 
> 
> Well,
> 
>  
> 
> I am attaching a photo of a deck(BX300) I received yesterday from a seller on ebay, who claimed the deck worked fine when he sold it. I could not even bring myself to insert a cassette tape  in this deck's well.
> 
>  
> 
> Once powered up, the transformer overheated and the deck just went blip....off! The capstans did rotate though until all went quiet.( about three minutes n all)
> 
>  
> 
> Ebay is refunding the money( its back to the seller already) and the seller will get a nice negative for sure.
> 
>  
> 
> I hope the seller is not a naktalk member! :)
> 
>  
> 
> Ram.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> --- On Tue, 4/26/11, hhtltd at juno.com <hhtltd at juno.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: hhtltd at juno.com <hhtltd at juno.com>
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 10:45 AM
> 
> Christine:
> 
>  
> 
>     You should give the seller a negative rating and file complaint with EBAY. The Beogram 9000 like most (not all) other
> 
> tape units WILL NOTG operate with no belts. Misrepresenting the operational integrity of any equipment is considered
> 
> in many cases as fraudulent sale. In short, it couldn't have worked no matter what he said.
> 
>  
> 
>     Get belts from Vintage electronics or Marr communications.
> 
>  
> 
> Good Luck!
> 
>  
> 
> NCM
> 
>  
> 
> On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 12:55:14 +0100 Christian Thomas <ct.waveform at googlemail.com> writes:
> 
> I recently aquired a Beo 9000 which they say competes soundwise with Nak decks.  I'd like to find out if this is true (and will happily share tyhe results when I do) but at the moment it has no belts.  (That's how it came, though the seller            on eBay swore it was working when it left his hands!).  I was wondering if anyone knows where I might find some?
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
>  
> 
> Christian
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
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From p9019 at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 27 21:34:41 2011
From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 12:34:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Beocord 9000
In-Reply-To: <851743.95548.qm@web112708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <851743.95548.qm@web112708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <226622.83484.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

If the seller is a Naktalk member he should be banned!  That head assembly looks 
disgusting!




________________________________
From: shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tue, April 26, 2011 6:32:08 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000



Well, 

I am attaching a photo of a deck(BX300) I received yesterday from a seller on 
ebay, who claimed the deck worked fine when he sold it. I could not even bring 
myself to insert a cassette tape  in this deck's well.

Once powered up, the transformer overheated and the deck just went blip....off! 
The capstans did rotate though until all went quiet.( about three minutes n all)

Ebay is refunding the money( its back to the seller already) and the seller will 
get a nice negative for sure.

I hope the seller is not a naktalk member! :)

Ram.




--- On Tue, 4/26/11, hhtltd at juno.com <hhtltd at juno.com> wrote:


>From: hhtltd at juno.com <hhtltd at juno.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 10:45 AM
>
>
>Christine:
>
>    You should give the seller a negative rating and file complaint with EBAY. 
>The Beogram 9000 like most (not all) other
>tape units WILL NOTG operate with no belts. Misrepresenting the operational 
>integrity of any equipment is considered
>in many cases as fraudulent sale. In short, it couldn't have worked no matter 
>what he said. 
>
>
>    Get belts from Vintage electronics or Marr communications.
>
>Good Luck!
>
>NCM
>
>On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 12:55:14 +0100 Christian Thomas <ct.waveform at googlemail.com> 
>writes:
>I recently aquired a Beo 9000 which they say competes soundwise with Nak decks.  
>I'd like to find out if this is true (and will happily share tyhe results when I 
>do) but at the moment it has no belts.  (That's how it came, though the seller 
>on eBay swore it was working when it left his hands!).  I was wondering if 
>anyone knows where I might find some?
>>
>>Thanks in advance
>>
>>Christian
>>

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From gabrenas at math.utah.edu  Wed Apr 27 22:10:02 2011
From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 14:10:02 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Beocord 9000
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Maybe there should be a section or web page for the "hall of shame" ebay
sellers? It could force some sellers to be honest.

 

Vic

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Scott Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 1:35 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000

 

If the seller is a Naktalk member he should be banned!  That head assembly
looks disgusting!

 

  _____  

From: shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tue, April 26, 2011 6:32:08 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000



Well, 

 

I am attaching a photo of a deck(BX300) I received yesterday from a seller
on ebay, who claimed the deck worked fine when he sold it. I could not even
bring myself to insert a cassette tape  in this deck's well.

 

Once powered up, the transformer overheated and the deck just went
blip....off! The capstans did rotate though until all went quiet.( about
three minutes n all)

 

Ebay is refunding the money( its back to the seller already) and the seller
will get a nice negative for sure.

 

I hope the seller is not a naktalk member! :)

 

Ram.

 

 



--- On Tue, 4/26/11, hhtltd at juno.com <hhtltd at juno.com> wrote:


From: hhtltd at juno.com <hhtltd at juno.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000
To: naktalk at naks.com
Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 10:45 AM

Christine:

 

    You should give the seller a negative rating and file complaint with
EBAY. The Beogram 9000 like most (not all) other

tape units WILL NOTG operate with no belts. Misrepresenting the operational
integrity of any equipment is considered

in many cases as fraudulent sale. In short, it couldn't have worked no
matter what he said. 

 

    Get belts from Vintage electronics or Marr communications.

 

Good Luck!

 

NCM

 

On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 12:55:14 +0100 Christian Thomas
<ct.waveform at googlemail.com> writes:

I recently aquired a Beo 9000 which they say competes soundwise with Nak
decks.  I'd like to find out if this is true (and will happily share tyhe
results when I do) but at the moment it has no belts.  (That's how it came,
though the seller on eBay swore it was working when it left his hands!).  I
was wondering if anyone knows where I might find some?

 

Thanks in advance

 

Christian

 



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From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net  Wed Apr 27 22:53:35 2011
From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 22:53:35 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code!
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	<DUB101-w474F6D6653B935A1EBB365D5990@phx.gbl>,
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Hi Ron,

 

I use the TSU 7000 pronto and that remote has a small reset button near the
battery.

It helps me several times when the battery get older. It sometimes stops
complete. After a reset the remote is still alive. Maybe the RC-5000i has
some reset button?

Every time i use the reset button i have to think about the slogan from
Philips here in the Netherlands: "Let's make things better". I wonder when..

 

Regards Norman

 

Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens Ron
Verzonden: woensdag 27 april 2011 16:34
Aan: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Onderwerp: Re: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code!

 


The RC-5000i simply died. It was working one day and the next 
time I tried to use it, it was dead. Battery was still charged, but 
there was no response. I'll either bury it, or offer it for parts on 
the ePlace.

The TSU7500 is an NG (New Generation) remote, based on 
pcf (rather than ccf) files. I understand the Philips S/W can take 
ccf files and generate pcf equivalents. The TSU7500 also adds 
another complication, due to the color screen. 

I now have to re-program all my components on the TSU7500 
-- a job I am not looking forward to. I plan to do it any month 
now  :-).   Meanwhile, I (again) have a plethora of remotes 
cluttering up my coffee table  :-(.

Thanks again for the file,

-- Ron

 

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From: winnie pooh <winniepoohlove at hotmail.com>
To: naktalk <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tue, April 26, 2011 8:56:28 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code!


No problems, Ron. Least I can do after all the help you provided last time.
I've attached it to this post. Just curious, what happened to the RC-5000i?
Are the .ccf files compatible with the newer remotes like TSU7750?




  _____  

Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 06:23:03 -0700
From: ronami at yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code!
To: naktalk at naks.com


That'll be great. It will save me the trouble of re-creating the CR-7 
CCF from scratch  My RC-5000i dies a horrible death, taking with 
it all stored data. I just got a TSU7750 (color screen) on ebay and 
am planning to repeat the chore of  'doing' the remote all over again 
:-(.

-- Ron

 

  _____  

From: winnie pooh <winniepoohlove at hotmail.com>
To: naktalk <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Mon, April 25, 2011 8:43:38 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code!


Hello Ron,

I am one of those that you sent the CR-7 Marantz RC-5000i file to. If you
want to get a copy to replace your lost one I can attach it for all to
share.

Thanks.



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Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 06:48:42 -0700
From: ronami at yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code!
To: naktalk at naks.com


A long time ago I copied all remote codes from my CR-7 into a Marantz 
RC-5000i (same as Philips Pronto TSU1000). I subsequently sent the file 
to a couple of members here. Since then, I've lost both the file and the 
names of these members, but if any of them are reading this, they may be 
able to help?

-- Ron

 

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From: shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com>
To: naktalk at naks.com
Sent: Sat, April 23, 2011 3:04:04 PM
Subject: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code!


Hi,

As all of you know, the Cr 7 is operable with its factory supplied infra red
remote. I was wondering what was the code for that remote transmitter if I
had to program a universal remote 
to work with it.

I have not been able to program a SONY with its supplied Nakamichi code.

If any one knows could you please share that info?

Thanks
Ram.


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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Thu Apr 28 08:41:24 2011
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 08:41:24 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Donation: BX-100
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The onwer asked again if anyone is interested, otherwise he will 'trash it'..

Wouter

>
> We have a BX-100 donation in Pasadena TX 77505.
> The owner let a message:
>
> "I have a silver BX-100 in perfect condition. I replaced the pinch
> rollers about a year ago to sell it but never got around to doing that. I
> just want it to end up with someone who will appreciate it. I have the
> original box and manual also. Box is not in good condition"
>
> If you are interested let me know off-list.
>
> Wouter
>
>




From dgb100 at psu.edu  Wed Apr 27 22:40:02 2011
From: dgb100 at psu.edu (Beckner, Derrick)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 16:40:02 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Beocord 9000
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I never got a deck from EBay that was fully operational.  They ranged from minor problems like worn belts to completely fried outputs.  But all as good as "new", I assure you.
The biggest disappointment was a Dragon that didn't reverse and didn't record in one channel and had noise issues.  Luckily the owner paid for the repairs, which were not cheap.  I have a feeling he popped a tape in, hit play, let it run for 30 seconds and declared it "good as new".  Also got a top of the line Onkyo (can't remember the model) that was totally and irreversible hosed in so many ways I can't even remember them all.

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Victor Gabrenas
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 4:10 PM
To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Beocord 9000

Maybe there should be a section or web page for the "hall of shame" ebay sellers? It could force some sellers to be honest.

Vic

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Scott Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 1:35 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000

If the seller is a Naktalk member he should be banned!  That head assembly looks disgusting!

________________________________
From: shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tue, April 26, 2011 6:32:08 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000

Well,

I am attaching a photo of a deck(BX300) I received yesterday from a seller on ebay, who claimed the deck worked fine when he sold it. I could not even bring myself to insert a cassette tape  in this deck's well.

Once powered up, the transformer overheated and the deck just went blip....off! The capstans did rotate though until all went quiet.( about three minutes n all)

Ebay is refunding the money( its back to the seller already) and the seller will get a nice negative for sure.

I hope the seller is not a naktalk member! :)

Ram.




--- On Tue, 4/26/11, hhtltd at juno.com<mailto:hhtltd at juno.com> <hhtltd at juno.com<mailto:hhtltd at juno.com>> wrote:

From: hhtltd at juno.com<mailto:hhtltd at juno.com> <hhtltd at juno.com<mailto:hhtltd at juno.com>>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000
To: naktalk at naks.com<mailto:naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 10:45 AM
Christine:

    You should give the seller a negative rating and file complaint with EBAY. The Beogram 9000 like most (not all) other
tape units WILL NOTG operate with no belts. Misrepresenting the operational integrity of any equipment is considered
in many cases as fraudulent sale. In short, it couldn't have worked no matter what he said.

    Get belts from Vintage electronics or Marr communications.

Good Luck!

NCM

On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 12:55:14 +0100 Christian Thomas <ct.waveform at googlemail.com<mailto:ct.waveform at googlemail.com>> writes:
I recently aquired a Beo 9000 which they say competes soundwise with Nak decks.  I'd like to find out if this is true (and will happily share tyhe results when I do) but at the moment it has no belts.  (That's how it came, though the seller on eBay swore it was working when it left his hands!).  I was wondering if anyone knows where I might find some?

Thanks in advance

Christian



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From ct.waveform at googlemail.com  Wed Apr 27 23:18:51 2011
From: ct.waveform at googlemail.com (Christian Thomas)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 22:18:51 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Beocord 9000
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Thanks to you all for your help.  I was hoping that Marrs or someone similar
could help.  As to the the eBay "fraud" the seller and I agreed that he
could have it picked up and refund me all the costs, or leave it with me and
save himself another £20 in shipping it back home.  That left him £40 better
off so I got the deck for £20.  It is a thing of beauty.

As to whether it is a Nak beater I will let you all know.  I have been told
quite authoritatively that it comes close to a CR-7 (which in their eyes is
a better deck than a Dragon).  But I miss the BX-300 that I had on its way
to my cousin and will be sure to know if I find those magical qualities
again.  I have had a few go through my hands and nothing has come close to
the Nak.  A Yamaha something SE which I still have was a particular
disappointment since it had been written up so well as a near Nak.  Not a
chance.

I don't know that I can give the Beo 9000 the full attention it deserves in
trying to get it to sound at its best.  I guess that will depend on first
impressions.  Inside it looks like it was trying very hard to get a sound,
largely from the Naim Audio book of polystyrene caps and BC547s and quite
simple but thorough power supplies.  I know the technology behind it and the
hard work that B&O did, but I still doubt that will make up for the general
living and breathing casette decks that marks out Nakamichi.  I showed it to
Paul Stephenson of Naim a couple of weeks ago, telling him that it was
supposed to be up there with Naks.  His reply was very much "... but of
course it isn't."  I'd like to prove him wrong.

The classical music thing that is mentioned above is very telling.  I design
hi fi for a living and this is what drew me to the BX-300.  Most modern hi
fi can't do it and turntables really fail badly in giving anything that is
as balanced as an orchestra.  When I had the BX-300 I was just wishing that
I had bothered with cassettes as a reference source back in the '80s.  It is
dispassionate, powerful and unlimited by crescendos and build ups to
climaxes.  It also manages those climaxes so much better.  There is no sense
of strain as with a record, or for different reasons, with a CD.  I can't
bear how records are so dependent on low peak levels to keep themselves
going at the same speed and, even if you can do this gracefully, as with the
LP12, that still isn't good enough.  Tape just doesn't have this problem and
its so refreshing.  Also, being able to listen to it on contemporary kit
really shows that we missed something and most of the failings weren't
actually with the tape, or could be easily overcome.  (For those of you that
are clapping at the back, my views are not widely held, even in my own
circles.)

But I will happily give you a full appraisal of how good the Beo is, as I
see it.  I have to say I slightly dread it since  I fear it won't make the
mark.  Having said that, the ratsnest that is the inside of a BX-300
(reference a comment above) wouldn't have led me to believe it was going to
beat some other sources.  Mind you, for ratsnests, the Walkman Pro takes
some beating by a mile (I would just be ashamed if my work looked like that)
and it was a fave with audiophiles at the time.  Better than a Dragon, they
said.  (I really very, very, much doubt it, though I have never yet heard a
Dragon).

To someone who was worried whether I could recap it (and incidentally I have
some grave warnings here as I suspect that some of the capacitors that Nak
used in the signal line which seemed a bit odd are almost certainly
pertinent to the Nak sound, and they may well have been ahead of their
time), it is within my ability, though finding some of the forms of
capacitors might be quite hard.  Where I do have doubts is with the CMOS and
I'm sincerely hoping that the missing bars on the display are just loose
connections.  Fortunately most of my textbooks date from around this time -
as do I - so I might just be able to work out how they made it work.

Thank you all, by the way, for your tolerance of a potential non-believer.

All the best

Christian

On 27 April 2011 02:32, shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> Well,
>
> I am attaching a photo of a deck(BX300) I received yesterday from a seller
> on ebay, who claimed the deck worked fine when he sold it. I could not even
> bring myself to insert a cassette tape  in this deck's well.
>
> Once powered up, the transformer overheated and the deck just went
> blip....off! The capstans did rotate though until all went quiet.( about
> three minutes n all)
>
> Ebay is refunding the money( its back to the seller already) and the
> seller will get a nice negative for sure.
>
> I hope the seller is not a naktalk member! :)
>
> Ram.
>
>
>
>
> --- On *Tue, 4/26/11, hhtltd at juno.com <hhtltd at juno.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: hhtltd at juno.com <hhtltd at juno.com>
>
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 10:45 AM
>
> Christine:
>
>     You should give the seller a negative rating and file complaint with
> EBAY. The Beogram 9000 like most (not all) other
> tape units WILL NOTG operate with no belts. Misrepresenting the operational
> integrity of any equipment is considered
> in many cases as fraudulent sale. In short, it couldn't have worked no
> matter what he said.
>
>     Get belts from Vintage electronics or Marr communications.
>
> Good Luck!
>
> NCM
>
> On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 12:55:14 +0100 Christian Thomas <
> ct.waveform at googlemail.com> writes:
>
>  I recently aquired a Beo 9000 which they say competes soundwise with Nak
> decks.  I'd like to find out if this is true (and will happily share tyhe
> results when I do) but at the moment it has no belts.  (That's how it came,
> though the seller on eBay swore it was working when it left his hands!).  I
> was wondering if anyone knows where I might find some?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Christian
>
>
>
>
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From: ct.waveform at googlemail.com (Christian Thomas)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 22:24:10 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Beocord 9000
In-Reply-To: <000901cc0517$17bd4b50$4737e1f0$@math.utah.edu>
References: <851743.95548.qm@web112708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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Vic

I don't think this seller was in any way specialist.  I could have had a lot
more trouble and it has fortunately fallen into hands that can deal with the
problem and so bring a good deck back to life.

I think the eBay feedback system works amazingly well.  So many people are
more concerned about their rating than their everyday life. Complete rogues
are determined to hang on to a 100% rating where they wouldn't think twice
about shafting you in a bar.

Best

CT

On 27 April 2011 21:10, Victor Gabrenas <gabrenas at math.utah.edu> wrote:

> Maybe there should be a section or web page for the “hall of shame” ebay
> sellers? It could force some sellers to be honest.
>
>
>
> Vic
>
>
>
> *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Scott Johnson
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 27, 2011 1:35 PM
>
> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000
>
>
>
> If the seller is a Naktalk member he should be banned!  That head assembly
> looks disgusting!
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com>
> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> *Sent:* Tue, April 26, 2011 6:32:08 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000
>
>
> Well,
>
>
>
> I am attaching a photo of a deck(BX300) I received yesterday from a seller
> on ebay, who claimed the deck worked fine when he sold it. I could not even
> bring myself to insert a cassette tape  in this deck's well.
>
>
>
> Once powered up, the transformer overheated and the deck just went
> blip....off! The capstans did rotate though until all went quiet.( about
> three minutes n all)
>
>
>
> Ebay is refunding the money( its back to the seller already) and the
> seller will get a nice negative for sure.
>
>
>
> I hope the seller is not a naktalk member! :)
>
>
>
> Ram.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- On *Tue, 4/26/11, hhtltd at juno.com <hhtltd at juno.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: hhtltd at juno.com <hhtltd at juno.com>
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 10:45 AM
>
> Christine:
>
>
>
>     You should give the seller a negative rating and file complaint with
> EBAY. The Beogram 9000 like most (not all) other
>
> tape units WILL NOTG operate with no belts. Misrepresenting the operational
> integrity of any equipment is considered
>
> in many cases as fraudulent sale. In short, it couldn't have worked no
> matter what he said.
>
>
>
>     Get belts from Vintage electronics or Marr communications.
>
>
>
> Good Luck!
>
>
>
> NCM
>
>
>
> On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 12:55:14 +0100 Christian Thomas <
> ct.waveform at googlemail.com> writes:
>
> I recently aquired a Beo 9000 which they say competes soundwise with Nak
> decks.  I'd like to find out if this is true (and will happily share tyhe
> results when I do) but at the moment it has no belts.  (That's how it came,
> though the seller on eBay swore it was working when it left his hands!).  I
> was wondering if anyone knows where I might find some?
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance
>
>
>
> Christian
>
>
>
>
>
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From ct.waveform at googlemail.com  Wed Apr 27 23:39:07 2011
From: ct.waveform at googlemail.com (Christian Thomas)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 22:39:07 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000zxl - Distortion
In-Reply-To: <17078137-E2C8-49AB-A9C5-7B1BC3EBEF43@peromarta.org>
References: <478066290.452446.1303788191017.JavaMail.root@sz0062a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<1322747316.452746.1303788645985.JavaMail.root@sz0062a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
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Luis and Willy

I am astonished that you both think that DC offset could be the issue - and
I am quite happy to believe it and can see how it might happen.  You are
almost certainly right, and I'm always in favour of not ripping out
components, but could you please explain to me why?  Were the overheads so
low or was it a design issue that was overlooked?  (In which case I am
probably overlooking it today.)

Best wishes

CT

On 26 April 2011 13:35, Luis Peromarta Regert <luis at peromarta.org> wrote:

> Also opamp offset needs to be checked. That would be my first candidate.
>
>
> Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos.
>
> El 26/04/2011, a las 13:49, Christian Thomas <ct.waveform at googlemail.com>
> escribió:
>
> This sounds to me like something wrong in an amplifier stage.  It could be
> a transistor - or two - that has come to its last moments.  What is probably
> happening is that it is getting hot after a few tracks and then not doing
> what it should.  Odd, though that it would appear to be on both sides.
>
> If you have a scope you could trace this from the tape amp onwards.  If you
> don't, but have a service manual and a multimeter, then you could check all
> the voltages down the signal chain.  It does sound like a job for someone
> reasonably expert so probably should be sent out to one of the techies you
> can find here.  But beforehand, do make sure that the problem is actually
> with the deck.  Ie.  change the input it's using, test other sources through
> the amp and so on until you have eliminated any other possibilities.  One
> other thing you might try is doing some looped recordings since this might
> narrow down where the fault lies.
>
> Hope this helps
>
> CT
>
> On 26 April 2011 04:30, < <brian.janke at comcast.net>brian.janke at comcast.net
> > wrote:
>
>>   I am following up on an email I sent early this year (See Below).
>> Thanks to all for your assistance in January.  I am reaching out once again,
>> before deciding to send it out to a qualified technician.
>>
>>
>>
>> I finally got around to replacing the two Electrolytic caps (C103 & C203)
>> and all but one pair of the PP caps on the Dolby Playback board.  I could
>> not find a pair of the C104 & C204 PP caps (5600p 100v).  No change, the
>> deck functions just the same.  Playback sounds great initially, and after a
>> few tracks, audio becomes distorted (actually "garbled")  :(.
>>
>>
>>
>> *Interesting Observation:*
>>
>> After listening to multiple recordings after an hour or so,  I found that
>> the distortion is not audible while the playback is at -40db to -20db as
>> shown on the deck's meter.  Distortion becomes audible at -12db to -15db.
>> Very audible at -10db and nearly impossible to comprehend approaching 0db or
>> more.
>>
>>
>>
>> Belts & motors seem strong.  I deoxidized the Tape/Source switch well.  I
>> wonder if there is another board I should recap before sending it out to a
>> tech.  I have read that all the orange caps should be replaced, but then the
>> deck will have to be re-calabrted too.  I can work with a soldering
>> iron, but I might be out of my league with calibrating.
>>
>> *January 2011*
>> I acquired the 1000 ZXL this past Summer with an issue.  The audio is
>> wonderful initially, until it warms up, then the distortion begins to set
>> into the right channel and then the left.  Audio becomes "garbled."
>> Distortion becomes audible in 10-15 minutes from initial startup.  Very
>> quickly, the distortion becomes too annoying.  After powering down for 20
>> minutes, the deck sounds briefly until the distortion returns.  I started to
>> focus on the caps, but I wonder if it can be a transistor or microprocessor
>> that fails when too warm.  Anyone have a suggestion?
>>
>>
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From ct.waveform at googlemail.com  Wed Apr 27 23:41:20 2011
From: ct.waveform at googlemail.com (Christian Thomas)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 22:41:20 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] 4-27-11 Beocord 9000 Belts In Stock
In-Reply-To: <4DB7F887.3020405@marrscom.com>
References: <4DB7F887.3020405@marrscom.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTi=-sYvdF0U_jjDvn98ck53f7PFNKQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Fred, I may well come back to you on that.

Christian

On 27 April 2011 12:05, Fred Marrs <fred at marrscom.com> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> The 2 Belts for the 9000 are in stock.
>
> $19.95 Shipping Included Worldwide
>
> Fred M.
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From bobschneider8 at comcast.net  Thu Apr 28 02:27:27 2011
From: bobschneider8 at comcast.net (Robert Schneider)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 19:27:27 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code!
In-Reply-To: <004101cc051d$2d0f0010$872d0030$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net>
References: <932708.22333.qm@web112709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, ,
	<941471.53931.qm@web130120.mail.mud.yahoo.com>,
	<DUB101-w474F6D6653B935A1EBB365D5990@phx.gbl>,
	<776759.97602.qm@web130120.mail.mud.yahoo.com>	<DUB101-w6543A7D1C5C18BD50C354FD5980@phx.gbl>	<647405.79467.qm@web130109.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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I have a Logitech Harmony universal remote which works fine with my 
CR-7A, including adjusting the azimuth. The nice thing about the Harmony 
series is that you don't need access to an original remote, or to track 
down codes. Rather, the included software goes to Logitech's database 
and downloads the codes from there, and then you download them from your 
computer to the remote via a USB cable. They claim to have 225,000 
devices in their database, and you can check on their website whether 
your gear is included before buying one.

On 4/27/11 3:53 PM, Norman van Wijnen wrote:
>
> Hi Ron,
>
> I use the TSU 7000 pronto and that remote has a small reset button 
> near the battery.
>
> It helps me several times when the battery get older. It sometimes 
> stops complete. After a reset the remote is still alive. Maybe the 
> RC-5000i has some reset button?
>
> Every time i use the reset button i have to think about the slogan 
> from Philips here in the Netherlands: “Let’s make things better”. I 
> wonder when….
>
> Regards Norman
>
>


From ziomaury at teletu.it  Thu Apr 28 08:29:06 2011
From: ziomaury at teletu.it (Ziomaury)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 08:29:06 +0200
Subject: R: R: [naktalk] How to remove the complete reel motor
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References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAJv4OEZsQ/9LhZFoqyZT1bXCgAAAEAAAAESfuwoLcjFEsHxlpSmhwY8BAAAAAA==@teletu.it>	<266156.89238.qm@web130107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAJv4OEZsQ/9LhZFoqyZT1bXCgAAAEAAAAMfa76voB09KuwvmsruqhEwBAAAAAA==@teletu.it>	<443323.39599.qm@web130104.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <000f01cc056d$932a5160$b97ef420$@teletu.it>

Hallo Ron.

I’ve found a technical lab that repair hi-fi equipments.

They’re able to remove the reel motor and replace the arm but, if it’s not too much trouble for you, the best is that you send me the instruction about this.

I’m sorry to bother you.

Thanks and regards,

Maurizio

 

 

 

 

Da: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Per conto di ziomaury
Inviato: lunedì 25 aprile 2011 13:25
A: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'
Oggetto: R: R: [naktalk] How to remove the complete reel motor

 

OK, I’ve understand.

I must find a professional.

Do you have notice about this, in Italy or Europe?

Thanks and regards,

Maurizio

 

 

Da: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Per conto di Ron
Inviato: giovedì 21 aprile 2011 16:38
A: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Oggetto: Re: R: [naktalk] How to remove the complete reel motor

 

> ...  another way to replace the arm of idler tire without remove the reel motor?

Not that I know of. There isn't enough room to work on the motor 
when it's installed in the deck. 

BTW, your English is fine.

-- Ron

 

  _____  

From: Ziomaury <ziomaury at teletu.it>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thu, April 21, 2011 3:40:04 AM
Subject: R: [naktalk] How to remove the complete reel motor

Hallo Ron,

Thanks for your explanation.

I’m agree with you about that remove the reel motor is very difficult.

There’s another way to replace the arm of idler tire without remove the reel motor?

Thanks and regards,

 

Maurizio

P.S. Sorry for my English (very basic!)

 

 

Da: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Per conto di Ron
Inviato: mercoledì 20 aprile 2011 22:25
A: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Oggetto: Re: [naktalk] How to remove the complete reel motor

 

Maurizio,

Removing the reel motor is a comparatively big job. Some people prefer 
to remove the transport form the deck. Personally, I prefer to do it in the 
deck. In any case, it's an elaborate job. If you've never done it, it's not a 
good idea to learn on your own CR07   :-). I highly recommend you have 
it done by a professional. 

If you insist on doing it yourself anyway, please let me now and I'll post 
instructions.

Good luck,

-- Ron





From: Ziomaury < <mailto:ziomaury at teletu.it> ziomaury at teletu.it>

To:  <mailto:naktalk at naks.com> naktalk at naks.com
Sent: Wed, April 20, 2011 10:24:18 AM
Subject: [naktalk] How to remove the complete reel motor

 

Hallo.

I’ve tried to replace the idle tire on a CR7-E but unfortunately I’ve break the plastic idle arm.

To replace the arm I think that the best is remove the complete reel motor.

I don’t understand how I must do it.

Can somebody help me about this?

Many thanks.

Maurizio

 

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From luis at peromarta.org  Thu Apr 28 12:53:31 2011
From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 12:53:31 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000zxl - Distortion
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTimwCxtqUBdBUNA=p3t2KUg8xYvgeQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <478066290.452446.1303788191017.JavaMail.root@sz0062a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
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Its an standard calibrating procedure. 

Sent from iPad. Pls excuse typos.

El 27/04/2011, a las 23:39, Christian Thomas <ct.waveform at googlemail.com> escribió:

> Luis and Willy
> 
> I am astonished that you both think that DC offset could be the issue - and I am quite happy to believe it and can see how it might happen.  You are almost certainly right, and I'm always in favour of not ripping out components, but could you please explain to me why?  Were the overheads so low or was it a design issue that was overlooked?  (In which case I am probably overlooking it today.)
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> CT
> 
> On 26 April 2011 13:35, Luis Peromarta Regert <luis at peromarta.org> wrote:
> Also opamp offset needs to be checked. That would be my first candidate. 
> 
> 
> Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos.
> 
> El 26/04/2011, a las 13:49, Christian Thomas <ct.waveform at googlemail.com> escribió:
> 
>> This sounds to me like something wrong in an amplifier stage.  It could be a transistor - or two - that has come to its last moments.  What is probably happening is that it is getting hot after a few tracks and then not doing what it should.  Odd, though that it would appear to be on both sides.
>>  
>> If you have a scope you could trace this from the tape amp onwards.  If you don't, but have a service manual and a multimeter, then you could check all the voltages down the signal chain.  It does sound like a job for someone reasonably expert so probably should be sent out to one of the techies you can find here.  But beforehand, do make sure that the problem is actually with the deck.  Ie.  change the input it's using, test other sources through the amp and so on until you have eliminated any other possibilities.  One other thing you might try is doing some looped recordings since this might narrow down where the fault lies.
>>  
>> Hope this helps
>>  
>> CT
>> 
>> On 26 April 2011 04:30, <brian.janke at comcast.net> wrote:
>> I am following up on an email I sent early this year (See Below).  Thanks to all for your assistance in January.  I am reaching out once again, before deciding to send it out to a qualified technician.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I finally got around to replacing the two Electrolytic caps (C103 & C203) and all but one pair of the PP caps on the Dolby Playback board.  I could not find a pair of the C104 & C204 PP caps (5600p 100v).  No change, the deck functions just the same.  Playback sounds great initially, and after a few tracks, audio becomes distorted (actually "garbled")  :(.  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Interesting Observation:
>> 
>> After listening to multiple recordings after an hour or so,  I found that the distortion is not audible while the playback is at -40db to -20db as shown on the deck's meter.  Distortion becomes audible at -12db to -15db.  Very audible at -10db and nearly impossible to comprehend approaching 0db or more.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Belts & motors seem strong.  I deoxidized the Tape/Source switch well.  I wonder if there is another board I should recap before sending it out to a tech.  I have read that all the orange caps should be replaced, but then the deck will have to be re-calabrted too.  I can work with a soldering iron, but I might be out of my league with calibrating.  
>> 
>> January 2011
>> I acquired the 1000 ZXL this past Summer with an issue.  The audio is wonderful initially, until it warms up, then the distortion begins to set into the right channel and then the left.  Audio becomes "garbled."  Distortion becomes audible in 10-15 minutes from initial startup.  Very quickly, the distortion becomes too annoying.  After powering down for 20 minutes, the deck sounds briefly until the distortion returns.  I started to focus on the caps, but I wonder if it can be a transistor or microprocessor that fails when too warm.  Anyone have a suggestion?
>> 
>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki
>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 28 15:28:58 2011
From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 06:28:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Beocord 9000
In-Reply-To: <D7D10CE89BCFA94383E3236123AAAFD4012EDE2377CA@DDAS44.ddar.psu.edu>
Message-ID: <464449.11449.qm@web112708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

On the other hand despite my BX 300 disaster, I have bought at least 50 plus decks( mostly Naks) out of which I can recall only 15 or so being utterly bad.

That gives ebay seller's a 70% positive in my books. However, I am not as concerned because I only use paypal and I have not lost a penny in any of my transactions. One gets to learn personalities when one gets stuck with the kind of deck I recently got stuck with.

Moral of the story. Read the listings well. Ask questions. Never pay with acheck or money transfer. Use paypal. Thats it. You are covered.

Lets go shopping. This disease is never ending!

Ram.

--- On Wed, 4/27/11, Beckner, Derrick <dgb100 at psu.edu> wrote:

From: Beckner, Derrick <dgb100 at psu.edu>
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Beocord 9000
To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Wednesday, April 27, 2011, 4:40 PM

I never got a deck from EBay that was fully operational.  They ranged from minor problems like worn belts to completely fried outputs.  But all as good as “new”, I assure you.The biggest disappointment was a Dragon that didn’t reverse and didn’t record in one channel and had noise issues.  Luckily the owner paid for the repairs, which were not cheap.  I have a feeling he popped a tape in, hit play, let it run for 30 seconds and declared it “good as new”.  Also got a top of the line Onkyo (can’t remember the model) that was totally and irreversible hosed in so many ways I can’t even remember them all.     From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Victor Gabrenas
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 4:10 PM
To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Beocord 9000  Maybe there should be a section or web page for the “hall of shame” ebay sellers? It could force some sellers to be honest.  Vic  From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Scott Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 1:35 PM
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Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000  If the seller is a Naktalk member he should be banned!  That head assembly looks disgusting!  From: shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tue, April 26, 2011 6:32:08 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000
Well,   I am attaching a photo of a deck(BX300) I received yesterday from a seller on ebay, who claimed the deck worked fine when he sold it. I could not even bring myself to insert a cassette tape  in this deck's well.  Once powered up, the transformer overheated and the deck just went blip....off! The capstans did rotate though until all went quiet.( about three minutes n all)  Ebay is refunding the money( its back to the seller already) and the seller will get a nice negative for sure.  I hope the seller is not a naktalk member! :)  Ram.    

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From: hhtltd at juno.com <hhtltd at juno.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000
To: naktalk at naks.com
Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 10:45 AMChristine:     You should give the seller a negative rating and file complaint with EBAY. The Beogram 9000 like most (not all) othertape units WILL NOTG operate with no belts. Misrepresenting the operational integrity of any equipment is consideredin many cases as fraudulent sale. In short, it couldn't have worked no matter what he said.      Get belts from Vintage electronics or Marr communications. Good Luck! NCM On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 12:55:14 +0100 Christian Thomas <ct.waveform at googlemail.com> writes:I recently aquired a Beo 9000 which they say competes soundwise with Nak decks.  I'd like to find out if this is true (and will happily share tyhe results when I do) but at the moment it has no belts.  (That's how it came, though the seller on eBay swore it was working when it left his hands!).  I was wondering if anyone knows where I might find some? Thanks in advance Christian 

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From ziomaury at teletu.it  Thu Apr 28 14:49:25 2011
From: ziomaury at teletu.it (Ziomaury)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 14:49:25 +0200
Subject: R: R: [naktalk] How to remove the complete reel motor
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Hallo Ron.

I’ve found a technical lab that repair hi-fi equipments.

They’re able to remove the reel motor and replace the arm but, if it’s not too much trouble for you, the best is that you send me the instruction about this.

I’m sorry to bother you.

Thanks and regards,

Maurizio

 

Da: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Per conto di Ron
Inviato: giovedì 21 aprile 2011 16:38
A: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Oggetto: Re: R: [naktalk] How to remove the complete reel motor

 

> ...  another way to replace the arm of idler tire without remove the reel motor?

Not that I know of. There isn't enough room to work on the motor 
when it's installed in the deck. 

BTW, your English is fine.

-- Ron

 

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From: Ziomaury <ziomaury at teletu.it>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thu, April 21, 2011 3:40:04 AM
Subject: R: [naktalk] How to remove the complete reel motor

Hallo Ron,

Thanks for your explanation.

I’m agree with you about that remove the reel motor is very difficult.

There’s another way to replace the arm of idler tire without remove the reel motor?

Thanks and regards,

 

Maurizio

P.S. Sorry for my English (very basic!)

 

 

Da: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Per conto di Ron
Inviato: mercoledì 20 aprile 2011 22:25
A: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Oggetto: Re: [naktalk] How to remove the complete reel motor

 

Maurizio,

Removing the reel motor is a comparatively big job. Some people prefer 
to remove the transport form the deck. Personally, I prefer to do it in the 
deck. In any case, it's an elaborate job. If you've never done it, it's not a 
good idea to learn on your own CR07   :-). I highly recommend you have 
it done by a professional. 

If you insist on doing it yourself anyway, please let me now and I'll post 
instructions.

Good luck,

-- Ron





From: Ziomaury < <mailto:ziomaury at teletu.it> ziomaury at teletu.it>

To:  <mailto:naktalk at naks.com> naktalk at naks.com
Sent: Wed, April 20, 2011 10:24:18 AM
Subject: [naktalk] How to remove the complete reel motor

 

Hallo.

I’ve tried to replace the idle tire on a CR7-E but unfortunately I’ve break the plastic idle arm.

To replace the arm I think that the best is remove the complete reel motor.

I don’t understand how I must do it.

Can somebody help me about this?

Many thanks.

Maurizio

 

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From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com  Thu Apr 28 16:17:20 2011
From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 07:17:20 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000zxl - Distortion
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If it is happening on both sides, I would tend to suspect a supply voltage
line that is feeding both left and right channel amplifiers, and which is
sagging after warmup.

Fred
Classic Audio Repair
www.repairaudio.com

* * * * *

On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 2:39 PM, Christian Thomas <
ct.waveform at googlemail.com> wrote:

> Luis and Willy
>
> I am astonished that you both think that DC offset could be the issue - and
> I am quite happy to believe it and can see how it might happen.  You are
> almost certainly right, and I'm always in favour of not ripping out
> components, but could you please explain to me why?  Were the overheads so
> low or was it a design issue that was overlooked?  (In which case I am
> probably overlooking it today.)
>
> Best wishes
>
> CT
>
> On 26 April 2011 13:35, Luis Peromarta Regert <luis at peromarta.org> wrote:
>
>> Also opamp offset needs to be checked. That would be my first candidate.
>>
>>
>> Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos.
>>
>> El 26/04/2011, a las 13:49, Christian Thomas <ct.waveform at googlemail.com>
>> escribió:
>>
>> This sounds to me like something wrong in an amplifier stage.  It could be
>> a transistor - or two - that has come to its last moments.  What is probably
>> happening is that it is getting hot after a few tracks and then not doing
>> what it should.  Odd, though that it would appear to be on both sides.
>>
>> If you have a scope you could trace this from the tape amp onwards.  If
>> you don't, but have a service manual and a multimeter, then you could check
>> all the voltages down the signal chain.  It does sound like a job for
>> someone reasonably expert so probably should be sent out to one of the
>> techies you can find here.  But beforehand, do make sure that the problem is
>> actually with the deck.  Ie.  change the input it's using, test other
>> sources through the amp and so on until you have eliminated any other
>> possibilities.  One other thing you might try is doing some looped
>> recordings since this might narrow down where the fault lies.
>>
>> Hope this helps
>>
>> CT
>>
>> On 26 April 2011 04:30, < <brian.janke at comcast.net>
>> brian.janke at comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>>   I am following up on an email I sent early this year (See Below).
>>> Thanks to all for your assistance in January.  I am reaching out once again,
>>> before deciding to send it out to a qualified technician.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I finally got around to replacing the two Electrolytic caps (C103 & C203)
>>> and all but one pair of the PP caps on the Dolby Playback board.  I could
>>> not find a pair of the C104 & C204 PP caps (5600p 100v).  No change, the
>>> deck functions just the same.  Playback sounds great initially, and after a
>>> few tracks, audio becomes distorted (actually "garbled")  :(.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Interesting Observation:*
>>>
>>> After listening to multiple recordings after an hour or so,  I found that
>>> the distortion is not audible while the playback is at -40db to -20db as
>>> shown on the deck's meter.  Distortion becomes audible at -12db to -15db.
>>> Very audible at -10db and nearly impossible to comprehend approaching 0db or
>>> more.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Belts & motors seem strong.  I deoxidized the Tape/Source switch well.  I
>>> wonder if there is another board I should recap before sending it out to a
>>> tech.  I have read that all the orange caps should be replaced, but then the
>>> deck will have to be re-calabrted too.  I can work with a soldering
>>> iron, but I might be out of my league with calibrating.
>>>
>>> *January 2011*
>>> I acquired the 1000 ZXL this past Summer with an issue.  The audio is
>>> wonderful initially, until it warms up, then the distortion begins to set
>>> into the right channel and then the left.  Audio becomes "garbled."
>>> Distortion becomes audible in 10-15 minutes from initial startup.  Very
>>> quickly, the distortion becomes too annoying.  After powering down for 20
>>> minutes, the deck sounds briefly until the distortion returns.  I started to
>>> focus on the caps, but I wonder if it can be a transistor or microprocessor
>>> that fails when too warm.  Anyone have a suggestion?
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 28 16:51:46 2011
From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 07:51:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Tapes you use to record
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TDK SM Pro tapes are infact TDK SA in a different package - pretty good tape for the money
You can get them for about 2 $ on ebay (60 Min) 

Any used Tape  is not as good as fresh blank tape like this tape for example. I have always noticed poorer HF record characteristics than the fresh tape even though you may not notice sound quality issues  

kannan
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From: Tim and Pam Sepper <timpamsepper at cox.net>
Subject: [naktalk] Tapes you use to record
To: naktalk at naks.com
Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 9:43 PM

I just bought some TDK SM Pro Premium High bias tape from J&R for $4 each.  Looks like pretty good specs, I think.  Anyone have experience with these?  Comparable to TDK SA?  Tim    Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 19:51:15 -0600From: Mark Exstedt <mark8559 at hotmail.com>Subject: FW: [naktalk] Tapes you use to recordTo: <naktalk at naks.com>Message-ID: <SNT111-W64AA227949F43953EEF4EDBA60 at phx.gbl>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"    You can't go wrong with TDK SA or Maxell XLII.They are available on Ebay and some listings have reasonable prices.It's also a good idea to buy used TDK SA and Maxell XLII and then erase them with a bulk eraser before doing your recordings.I also use Denon HD-8, HD-7, and HD-6 cassettes to record my treasured LP collection.I've been recording cassettes since the 70's and my preference hasen't changed much. I use the TDK-SA on acoustic guitar and the Maxell XLII on heavy metal. > From: hockeyeast at yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 8 Apr
 2011 19:50:59 -0400> To: naktalk at naks.com> Subject: [naktalk] Tapes you use to record> > > Maybe this has been covered before, so if it has I apologize. What tapes do you use to record with. Your favorites? Thanks...rich    
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From hhtltd at juno.com  Thu Apr 28 19:20:27 2011
From: hhtltd at juno.com (hhtltd at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 13:20:27 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Tapes you use to record
Message-ID: <20110428.132028.2896.4.hhtltd@juno.com>

Relevant topic. FYI, ordered 10 TDK SA90 tapes ( 5 two-packs) from J&R
music (NYC) yesterday (4/27) and just rec'd
them via UPS...1 day delivery ($6.50 via UPS) to CT. Price per tape comes
to $2.995. Considering decades of inflationary
pricing, not bad deal.

NCM 

On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 07:51:46 -0700 (PDT) kannan srinivasaraghavan
<kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com> writes:
TDK SM Pro tapes are infact TDK SA in a different package - pretty good
tape for the money
You can get them for about 2 $ on ebay (60 Min) 

Any used Tape  is not as good as fresh blank tape like this tape for
example. I have always noticed poorer HF record characteristics than the
fresh tape even though you may not notice sound quality issues  

kannan
--- On Tue, 4/26/11, Tim and Pam Sepper <timpamsepper at cox.net> wrote:


From: Tim and Pam Sepper <timpamsepper at cox.net>
Subject: [naktalk] Tapes you use to record
To: naktalk at naks.com
Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 9:43 PM


I just bought some TDK SM Pro Premium High bias tape from J&R for $4
each.  Looks like pretty good specs, I think.  Anyone have experience
with these?  Comparable to TDK SA?

Tim


Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 19:51:15 -0600
From: Mark Exstedt <mark8559 at hotmail.com>
Subject: FW: [naktalk] Tapes you use to record
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Message-ID: <SNT111-W64AA227949F43953EEF4EDBA60 at phx.gbl>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"


You can't go wrong with TDK SA or Maxell XLII.
They are available on Ebay and some listings have reasonable prices.
It's also a good idea to buy used TDK SA and Maxell XLII and then erase
them 
with a bulk eraser before doing your recordings.
I also use Denon HD-8, HD-7, and HD-6 cassettes to record my treasured LP

collection.
I've been recording cassettes since the 70's and my preference hasen't
changed much. 
I use the TDK-SA on acoustic guitar and the Maxell XLII on heavy metal.
> From: hockeyeast at yahoo.com
> Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 19:50:59 -0400
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] Tapes you use to record
> 
> 
> Maybe this has been covered before, so if it has I apologize. What
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From ct.waveform at googlemail.com  Thu Apr 28 20:10:41 2011
From: ct.waveform at googlemail.com (Christian Thomas)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 19:10:41 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000zxl - Distortion
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTi=1Tu7nMRXjQ95JSK5K-Y8Z6Zo-rw@mail.gmail.com>
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Can I just concur with Fred here.  The clue is in it being both sides.  You
may be in luck if that's the case.

CT

On 28 April 2011 15:17, Fred Longworth <classicaudiorepair at gmail.com> wrote:

> If it is happening on both sides, I would tend to suspect a supply voltage
> line that is feeding both left and right channel amplifiers, and which is
> sagging after warmup.
>
> Fred
> Classic Audio Repair
> www.repairaudio.com
>
> * * * * *
>
> On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 2:39 PM, Christian Thomas <
> ct.waveform at googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> Luis and Willy
>>
>> I am astonished that you both think that DC offset could be the issue -
>> and I am quite happy to believe it and can see how it might happen.  You are
>> almost certainly right, and I'm always in favour of not ripping out
>> components, but could you please explain to me why?  Were the overheads so
>> low or was it a design issue that was overlooked?  (In which case I am
>> probably overlooking it today.)
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> CT
>>
>> On 26 April 2011 13:35, Luis Peromarta Regert <luis at peromarta.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Also opamp offset needs to be checked. That would be my first candidate.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos.
>>>
>>> El 26/04/2011, a las 13:49, Christian Thomas <ct.waveform at googlemail.com>
>>> escribió:
>>>
>>> This sounds to me like something wrong in an amplifier stage.  It could
>>> be a transistor - or two - that has come to its last moments.  What is
>>> probably happening is that it is getting hot after a few tracks and then not
>>> doing what it should.  Odd, though that it would appear to be on both sides.
>>>
>>> If you have a scope you could trace this from the tape amp onwards.  If
>>> you don't, but have a service manual and a multimeter, then you could check
>>> all the voltages down the signal chain.  It does sound like a job for
>>> someone reasonably expert so probably should be sent out to one of the
>>> techies you can find here.  But beforehand, do make sure that the problem is
>>> actually with the deck.  Ie.  change the input it's using, test other
>>> sources through the amp and so on until you have eliminated any other
>>> possibilities.  One other thing you might try is doing some looped
>>> recordings since this might narrow down where the fault lies.
>>>
>>> Hope this helps
>>>
>>> CT
>>>
>>> On 26 April 2011 04:30, < <brian.janke at comcast.net>
>>> brian.janke at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>   I am following up on an email I sent early this year (See Below).
>>>> Thanks to all for your assistance in January.  I am reaching out once again,
>>>> before deciding to send it out to a qualified technician.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I finally got around to replacing the two Electrolytic caps (C103 &
>>>> C203) and all but one pair of the PP caps on the Dolby Playback board.  I
>>>> could not find a pair of the C104 & C204 PP caps (5600p 100v).  No
>>>> change, the deck functions just the same.  Playback sounds great initially,
>>>> and after a few tracks, audio becomes distorted (actually "garbled")  :(.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Interesting Observation:*
>>>>
>>>> After listening to multiple recordings after an hour or so,  I found
>>>> that the distortion is not audible while the playback is at -40db to -20db
>>>> as shown on the deck's meter.  Distortion becomes audible at -12db to
>>>> -15db.  Very audible at -10db and nearly impossible to comprehend
>>>> approaching 0db or more.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Belts & motors seem strong.  I deoxidized the Tape/Source switch well.
>>>>  I wonder if there is another board I should recap before sending it out to
>>>> a tech.  I have read that all the orange caps should be replaced, but then
>>>> the deck will have to be re-calabrted too.  I can work with a soldering
>>>> iron, but I might be out of my league with calibrating.
>>>>
>>>> *January 2011*
>>>> I acquired the 1000 ZXL this past Summer with an issue.  The audio is
>>>> wonderful initially, until it warms up, then the distortion begins to set
>>>> into the right channel and then the left.  Audio becomes "garbled."
>>>> Distortion becomes audible in 10-15 minutes from initial startup.  Very
>>>> quickly, the distortion becomes too annoying.  After powering down for 20
>>>> minutes, the deck sounds briefly until the distortion returns.  I started to
>>>> focus on the caps, but I wonder if it can be a transistor or microprocessor
>>>> that fails when too warm.  Anyone have a suggestion?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>>>>          Also check out the wiki! <http://www.naks.com/wiki>
>>>> http://www.naks.com/wiki
>>>>
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From brian.janke at comcast.net  Thu Apr 28 20:10:48 2011
From: brian.janke at comcast.net (brian.janke at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 18:10:48 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000zxl - Distortion
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Yes, sagging after warm-up, yet distortion is only audible as the playback meter approaches -20db.  Distortion  becomes very audible at -10db, and nearly impossible to comprehend audio approaching 0db or more.  Fred's idea makes sense to me.  I have no schematic or service manual to confirm the correct supply voltages.  Would anyone care to share a few service details, correct voltages, and test points - or a couple pages from the service manual? 



I will follow up with three other opinions we observed this week via email.  Many thanks to NakTalk ! 


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To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" < naktalk @ naks .com> 
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 9:17:20 AM 
Subject: Re: [ naktalk ] Nak 1000zxl - Distortion 

If it is happening on both sides, I would tend to suspect a supply voltage line that is feeding both left and right channel amplifiers, and which is sagging after warmup . 

Fred 
Classic Audio Repair 
www . repairaudio .com 

* * * * * 


On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 2:39 PM, Christian Thomas < ct.waveform@ googlemail .com > wrote: 


Luis and Willy 


I am astonished that you both think that DC offset could be the issue - and I am quite happy to believe it and can see how it might happen.  You are almost certainly right, and I'm always in favour of not ripping out components, but could you please explain to me why?  Were the overheads so low or was it a design issue that was overlooked?  (In which case I am probably overlooking it today.) 


Best wishes 


CT 


On 26 April 2011 13:35, Luis Peromarta Regert < luis @ peromarta .org > wrote: 




Also opamp offset needs to be checked. That would be my first candidate.  


Sent from iPhone . Pls excuse typos. 


El 26/04/2011, a las 13:49, Christian Thomas < ct.waveform@ googlemail .com > escribió : 










This sounds to me like something wrong in an amplifier stage.  It could be a transistor - or two - that has come to its last moments.  What is probably happening is that it is getting hot after a few tracks and then not doing what it should.  Odd, though that it would appear to be on both sides. 

If you have a scope you could trace this from the tape amp onwards.  If you don't, but have a service manual and a multimeter, then you could check all the voltages down the signal chain.  It does sound like a job for someone reasonably expert so probably should be sent out to one of the techies you can find here.  But beforehand, do make sure that the problem is actually with the deck.  Ie .  change the input it's using, test other sources through the amp and so on until you have eliminated any other possibilities.  One other thing you might try is doing some looped recordings since this might narrow down where the fault lies. 

Hope this helps 

CT 


On 26 April 2011 04:30, < brian . janke @comcast.net > wrote: 








I am following up on an email I sent early this year (See Below).  Thanks to all for your assistance in January.  I am reaching out once again, before deciding to send it out to a qualified technician. 



I finally got around to replacing the two Electrolytic caps (C103 & C203) and all but one pair of the PP caps on the Dolby Playback board.  I could not find a pair of the C104 & C204 PP caps (5600p 100v).  No change, the deck functions just the same.  Playback sounds great initially, and after a few tracks, audio becomes distorted (actually "garbled")  :(.   



Interesting Observation: 

After listening to multiple recordings after an hour or so,  I found that the distortion is not audible while the playback is at -40db to -20db as shown on the deck's meter.  Distortion becomes audible at -12db to -15db.  Very audible at -10db and nearly impossible to comprehend approaching 0db or more. 



Belts & motors seem strong.  I deoxidized the Tape/Source switch well.  I wonder if there is another board I should recap before sending it out to a tech.  I have read that all the orange caps should be replaced, but then the deck will have to be re-calabrted too.  I can work with a soldering iron, but I might be out of my league with calibrating.   


January 2011 
I acquired the 1000 ZXL this past Summer with an issue.  The audio is wonderful initially, until it warms up, then the distortion begins to set into the right channel and then the left.  Audio becomes "garbled."  Distortion becomes audible in 10-15 minutes from initial startup .  Very quickly, the distortion becomes too annoying.  After powering down for 20 minutes, the deck sounds briefly until the distortion returns.  I started to focus on the caps, but I wonder if it can be a transistor or microprocessor that fails when too warm.  Anyone have a suggestion? 
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From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 28 22:20:39 2011
From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 13:20:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000zxl - Distortion
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1000 ZXL playback amp output offset would start drifting as the temperature inside increases which is normal - you will find that out if you connect a DC meter ( sensitive ) at the output before the coupling cap and monitor continuously. IF the offset is already high, this drift causes distortion as it goes beyond couple of volts. If you adjust it to 0V then the drift is withing accepatble limits and does not cause distortion. Also the drift is more with polyustrene caps ( if you replace the original Polypropylene orange caps) - If you use WIMA polyprop caps the drift is lesser.
 
1000 ZXL powersupply is regulated ( discrete independent regulators for each part) and does not sag with time/ or temperature - infact quite steady
 
So I do not concur with Fred here - having worked on more than 4 1000 ZXL decks in the past one year!
kannan

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From: Christian Thomas <ct.waveform at googlemail.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 1000zxl - Distortion
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Thursday, April 28, 2011, 2:10 PM


Can I just concur with Fred here.  The clue is in it being both sides.  You may be in luck if that's the case.


CT


On 28 April 2011 15:17, Fred Longworth <classicaudiorepair at gmail.com> wrote:

If it is happening on both sides, I would tend to suspect a supply voltage line that is feeding both left and right channel amplifiers, and which is sagging after warmup.

Fred
Classic Audio Repair
www.repairaudio.com

* * * * *





On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 2:39 PM, Christian Thomas <ct.waveform at googlemail.com> wrote:




Luis and Willy


I am astonished that you both think that DC offset could be the issue - and I am quite happy to believe it and can see how it might happen.  You are almost certainly right, and I'm always in favour of not ripping out components, but could you please explain to me why?  Were the overheads so low or was it a design issue that was overlooked?  (In which case I am probably overlooking it today.)


Best wishes


CT


On 26 April 2011 13:35, Luis Peromarta Regert <luis at peromarta.org> wrote:



Also opamp offset needs to be checked. That would be my first candidate. 


Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos.


El 26/04/2011, a las 13:49, Christian Thomas <ct.waveform at googlemail.com> escribió:









This sounds to me like something wrong in an amplifier stage.  It could be a transistor - or two - that has come to its last moments.  What is probably happening is that it is getting hot after a few tracks and then not doing what it should.  Odd, though that it would appear to be on both sides.
 
If you have a scope you could trace this from the tape amp onwards.  If you don't, but have a service manual and a multimeter, then you could check all the voltages down the signal chain.  It does sound like a job for someone reasonably expert so probably should be sent out to one of the techies you can find here.  But beforehand, do make sure that the problem is actually with the deck.  Ie.  change the input it's using, test other sources through the amp and so on until you have eliminated any other possibilities.  One other thing you might try is doing some looped recordings since this might narrow down where the fault lies.
 
Hope this helps
 
CT


On 26 April 2011 04:30, <brian.janke at comcast.net> wrote:






I am following up on an email I sent early this year (See Below).  Thanks to all for your assistance in January.  I am reaching out once again, before deciding to send it out to a qualified technician.
 
I finally got around to replacing the two Electrolytic caps (C103 & C203) and all but one pair of the PP caps on the Dolby Playback board.  I could not find a pair of the C104 & C204 PP caps (5600p 100v).  No change, the deck functions just the same.  Playback sounds great initially, and after a few tracks, audio becomes distorted (actually "garbled")  :(.   
 
Interesting Observation:
After listening to multiple recordings after an hour or so,  I found that the distortion is not audible while the playback is at -40db to -20db as shown on the deck's meter.  Distortion becomes audible at -12db to -15db.  Very audible at -10db and nearly impossible to comprehend approaching 0db or more.
 
Belts & motors seem strong.  I deoxidized the Tape/Source switch well.  I wonder if there is another board I should recap before sending it out to a tech.  I have read that all the orange caps should be replaced, but then the deck will have to be re-calabrted too.  I can work with a soldering iron, but I might be out of my league with calibrating.   

January 2011
I acquired the 1000 ZXL this past Summer with an issue.  The audio is wonderful initially, until it warms up, then the distortion begins to set into the right channel and then the left.  Audio becomes "garbled."  Distortion becomes audible in 10-15 minutes from initial startup.  Very quickly, the distortion becomes too annoying.  After powering down for 20 minutes, the deck sounds briefly until the distortion returns.  I started to focus on the caps, but I wonder if it can be a transistor or microprocessor that fails when too warm.  Anyone have a suggestion?
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From willy at willyhermannservices.com  Thu Apr 28 22:30:46 2011
From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 12:30:46 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000zxl - Distortion
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I just had exactly that problem with a 1000ZXL I'm working on - adjusting
the DC offset of the initial play head amp solved the problem.  Nak used a
"matched pair" of fets as the initial amplification for the play head.  The
circuit is inherently thermally unstable and will drift over the years as
components age.  If the circuit drifts too far in one direction the signal
will exceed the rail voltage on that side and distort.

Willy

On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 10:10 AM, Christian Thomas <
ct.waveform at googlemail.com> wrote:

> Can I just concur with Fred here.  The clue is in it being both sides.  You
> may be in luck if that's the case.
>
> CT
>
> On 28 April 2011 15:17, Fred Longworth <classicaudiorepair at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> If it is happening on both sides, I would tend to suspect a supply voltage
>> line that is feeding both left and right channel amplifiers, and which is
>> sagging after warmup.
>>
>> Fred
>> Classic Audio Repair
>> www.repairaudio.com
>>
>> * * * * *
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 2:39 PM, Christian Thomas <
>> ct.waveform at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Luis and Willy
>>>
>>> I am astonished that you both think that DC offset could be the issue -
>>> and I am quite happy to believe it and can see how it might happen.  You are
>>> almost certainly right, and I'm always in favour of not ripping out
>>> components, but could you please explain to me why?  Were the overheads so
>>> low or was it a design issue that was overlooked?  (In which case I am
>>> probably overlooking it today.)
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>>
>>> CT
>>>
>>> On 26 April 2011 13:35, Luis Peromarta Regert <luis at peromarta.org>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Also opamp offset needs to be checked. That would be my first
>>>> candidate.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos.
>>>>
>>>> El 26/04/2011, a las 13:49, Christian Thomas <
>>>> ct.waveform at googlemail.com> escribió:
>>>>
>>>> This sounds to me like something wrong in an amplifier stage.  It could
>>>> be a transistor - or two - that has come to its last moments.  What is
>>>> probably happening is that it is getting hot after a few tracks and then not
>>>> doing what it should.  Odd, though that it would appear to be on both sides.
>>>>
>>>> If you have a scope you could trace this from the tape amp onwards.  If
>>>> you don't, but have a service manual and a multimeter, then you could check
>>>> all the voltages down the signal chain.  It does sound like a job for
>>>> someone reasonably expert so probably should be sent out to one of the
>>>> techies you can find here.  But beforehand, do make sure that the problem is
>>>> actually with the deck.  Ie.  change the input it's using, test other
>>>> sources through the amp and so on until you have eliminated any other
>>>> possibilities.  One other thing you might try is doing some looped
>>>> recordings since this might narrow down where the fault lies.
>>>>
>>>> Hope this helps
>>>>
>>>> CT
>>>>
>>>> On 26 April 2011 04:30, < <brian.janke at comcast.net>
>>>> brian.janke at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>   I am following up on an email I sent early this year (See Below).
>>>>> Thanks to all for your assistance in January.  I am reaching out once again,
>>>>> before deciding to send it out to a qualified technician.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I finally got around to replacing the two Electrolytic caps (C103 &
>>>>> C203) and all but one pair of the PP caps on the Dolby Playback board.  I
>>>>> could not find a pair of the C104 & C204 PP caps (5600p 100v).  No
>>>>> change, the deck functions just the same.  Playback sounds great initially,
>>>>> and after a few tracks, audio becomes distorted (actually "garbled")  :(.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Interesting Observation:*
>>>>>
>>>>> After listening to multiple recordings after an hour or so,  I found
>>>>> that the distortion is not audible while the playback is at -40db to -20db
>>>>> as shown on the deck's meter.  Distortion becomes audible at -12db to
>>>>> -15db.  Very audible at -10db and nearly impossible to comprehend
>>>>> approaching 0db or more.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Belts & motors seem strong.  I deoxidized the Tape/Source switch well.
>>>>>  I wonder if there is another board I should recap before sending it out to
>>>>> a tech.  I have read that all the orange caps should be replaced, but then
>>>>> the deck will have to be re-calabrted too.  I can work with a soldering
>>>>> iron, but I might be out of my league with calibrating.
>>>>>
>>>>> *January 2011*
>>>>> I acquired the 1000 ZXL this past Summer with an issue.  The audio is
>>>>> wonderful initially, until it warms up, then the distortion begins to set
>>>>> into the right channel and then the left.  Audio becomes "garbled."
>>>>> Distortion becomes audible in 10-15 minutes from initial startup.  Very
>>>>> quickly, the distortion becomes too annoying.  After powering down for 20
>>>>> minutes, the deck sounds briefly until the distortion returns.  I started to
>>>>> focus on the caps, but I wonder if it can be a transistor or microprocessor
>>>>> that fails when too warm.  Anyone have a suggestion?
>>>>>
>>>>>
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From gabrenas at math.utah.edu  Thu Apr 28 22:51:26 2011
From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 14:51:26 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000zxl - Distortion
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I would suggest pulling the service manual from the wiki link listed at the bottom of the E-mail.

 

Though the supply voltage could be the culprit, I would still align the DC offset first. Procedures is on page 29. Pins 1 and 7 on  IC301 to 100mV or less.

 

Vic

 

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Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 12:11 PM
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Yes, sagging after warm-up, yet distortion is only audible as the playback meter approaches -20db.  Distortion  becomes very audible at -10db, and nearly impossible to comprehend audio approaching 0db or more.  Fred's idea makes sense to me.  I have no schematic or service manual to confirm the correct supply voltages.  Would anyone care to share a few service details, correct voltages, and test points - or a couple pages from the service manual? 

 

I will follow up with three other opinions we observed this week via email.  Many thanks to NakTalk!


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To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 9:17:20 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 1000zxl - Distortion

If it is happening on both sides, I would tend to suspect a supply voltage line that is feeding both left and right channel amplifiers, and which is sagging after warmup.

Fred
Classic Audio Repair
www.repairaudio.com <http://www.repairaudio.com/> 

* * * * *

On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 2:39 PM, Christian Thomas <ct.waveform at googlemail.com> wrote:

Luis and Willy 

 

I am astonished that you both think that DC offset could be the issue - and I am quite happy to believe it and can see how it might happen.  You are almost certainly right, and I'm always in favour of not ripping out components, but could you please explain to me why?  Were the overheads so low or was it a design issue that was overlooked?  (In which case I am probably overlooking it today.)

 

Best wishes

 

CT

On 26 April 2011 13:35, Luis Peromarta Regert <luis at peromarta.org> wrote:

Also opamp offset needs to be checked. That would be my first candidate.  



Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos.


El 26/04/2011, a las 13:49, Christian Thomas <ct.waveform at googlemail.com> escribió:

This sounds to me like something wrong in an amplifier stage.  It could be a transistor - or two - that has come to its last moments.  What is probably happening is that it is getting hot after a few tracks and then not doing what it should.  Odd, though that it would appear to be on both sides.

 

If you have a scope you could trace this from the tape amp onwards.  If you don't, but have a service manual and a multimeter, then you could check all the voltages down the signal chain.  It does sound like a job for someone reasonably expert so probably should be sent out to one of the techies you can find here.  But beforehand, do make sure that the problem is actually with the deck.  Ie.  change the input it's using, test other sources through the amp and so on until you have eliminated any other possibilities.  One other thing you might try is doing some looped recordings since this might narrow down where the fault lies.

 

Hope this helps

 

CT

On 26 April 2011 04:30, <brian.janke at comcast.net> wrote:

I am following up on an email I sent early this year (See Below).  Thanks to all for your assistance in January.  I am reaching out once again, before deciding to send it out to a qualified technician.

 

I finally got around to replacing the two Electrolytic caps (C103 & C203) and all but one pair of the PP caps on the Dolby Playback board.  I could not find a pair of the C104 & C204 PP caps (5600p 100v).  No change, the deck functions just the same.  Playback sounds great initially, and after a few tracks, audio becomes distorted (actually "garbled")  :(.   

 

Interesting Observation:

After listening to multiple recordings after an hour or so,  I found that the distortion is not audible while the playback is at -40db to -20db as shown on the deck's meter.  Distortion becomes audible at -12db to -15db.  Very audible at -10db and nearly impossible to comprehend approaching 0db or more.

 

Belts & motors seem strong.  I deoxidized the Tape/Source switch well.  I wonder if there is another board I should recap before sending it out to a tech.  I have read that all the orange caps should be replaced, but then the deck will have to be re-calabrted too.  I can work with a soldering iron, but I might be out of my league with calibrating.   

January 2011

I acquired the 1000 ZXL this past Summer with an issue.  The audio is wonderful initially, until it warms up, then the distortion begins to set into the right channel and then the left.  Audio becomes "garbled."  Distortion becomes audible in 10-15 minutes from initial startup.  Very quickly, the distortion becomes too annoying.  After powering down for 20 minutes, the deck sounds briefly until the distortion returns.  I started to focus on the caps, but I wonder if it can be a transistor or microprocessor that fails when too warm.  Anyone have a suggestion?


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From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com  Thu Apr 28 23:47:28 2011
From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 14:47:28 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000zxl - Distortion
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However, if the distortion is *identical in both channels* and if the time
it takes for both channels to become distorted are the same, the statistical
probability of both channels drifting into distortion at the same time is
fairly low.

Fred
Classic Audio Repair
www.repairaudio.com

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On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 1:20 PM, kannan srinivasaraghavan <
kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com> wrote:

> 1000 ZXL playback amp output offset would start drifting as the temperature
> inside increases which is normal - you will find that out if you connect a
> DC meter ( sensitive ) at the output before the coupling cap and monitor
> continuously. IF the offset is already high, this drift causes distortion as
> it goes beyond couple of volts. If you adjust it to 0V then the drift is
> withing accepatble limits and does not cause distortion. Also the drift is
> more with polyustrene caps ( if you replace the original Polypropylene
> orange caps) - If you use WIMA polyprop caps the drift is lesser.
>
> 1000 ZXL powersupply is regulated ( discrete independent regulators for
> each part) and does not sag with time/ or temperature - infact quite steady
>
> So I do not concur with Fred here - having worked on more than 4 1000 ZXL
> decks in the past one year!
> kannan
>
> --- On *Thu, 4/28/11, Christian Thomas <ct.waveform at googlemail.com>*wrote:
>
>
> From: Christian Thomas <ct.waveform at googlemail.com>
>
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 1000zxl - Distortion
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Date: Thursday, April 28, 2011, 2:10 PM
>
>
> Can I just concur with Fred here.  The clue is in it being both sides.  You
> may be in luck if that's the case.
>
> CT
>
> On 28 April 2011 15:17, Fred Longworth <classicaudiorepair at gmail.com<http://us.mc333.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=classicaudiorepair at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> If it is happening on both sides, I would tend to suspect a supply voltage
> line that is feeding both left and right channel amplifiers, and which is
> sagging after warmup.
>
> Fred
> Classic Audio Repair
> www.repairaudio.com
>
> * * * * *
>
>   On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 2:39 PM, Christian Thomas <
> ct.waveform at googlemail.com<http://us.mc333.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ct.waveform at googlemail.com>
> > wrote:
>
>  Luis and Willy
>
> I am astonished that you both think that DC offset could be the issue - and
> I am quite happy to believe it and can see how it might happen.  You are
> almost certainly right, and I'm always in favour of not ripping out
> components, but could you please explain to me why?  Were the overheads so
> low or was it a design issue that was overlooked?  (In which case I am
> probably overlooking it today.)
>
> Best wishes
>
> CT
>
> On 26 April 2011 13:35, Luis Peromarta Regert <luis at peromarta.org<http://us.mc333.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=luis at peromarta.org>
> > wrote:
>
>  Also opamp offset needs to be checked. That would be my first candidate.
>
>
>
> Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos.
>
> El 26/04/2011, a las 13:49, Christian Thomas <ct.waveform at googlemail.com<http://us.mc333.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ct.waveform at googlemail.com>>
> escribió:
>
>     This sounds to me like something wrong in an amplifier stage.  It
> could be a transistor - or two - that has come to its last moments.  What is
> probably happening is that it is getting hot after a few tracks and then not
> doing what it should.  Odd, though that it would appear to be on both sides.
>
> If you have a scope you could trace this from the tape amp onwards.  If you
> don't, but have a service manual and a multimeter, then you could check all
> the voltages down the signal chain.  It does sound like a job for someone
> reasonably expert so probably should be sent out to one of the techies you
> can find here.  But beforehand, do make sure that the problem is actually
> with the deck.  Ie.  change the input it's using, test other sources through
> the amp and so on until you have eliminated any other possibilities.  One
> other thing you might try is doing some looped recordings since this might
> narrow down where the fault lies.
>
> Hope this helps
>
> CT
>
> On 26 April 2011 04:30, <<http://us.mc333.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=brian.janke at comcast.net>
> brian.janke at comcast.net<http://us.mc333.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=brian.janke at comcast.net>
> > wrote:
>
>   I am following up on an email I sent early this year (See Below).
> Thanks to all for your assistance in January.  I am reaching out once again,
> before deciding to send it out to a qualified technician.
>
> I finally got around to replacing the two Electrolytic caps (C103 & C203)
> and all but one pair of the PP caps on the Dolby Playback board.  I could
> not find a pair of the C104 & C204 PP caps (5600p 100v).  No change, the
> deck functions just the same.  Playback sounds great initially, and after a
> few tracks, audio becomes distorted (actually "garbled")  :(.
>
> *Interesting Observation:*
> After listening to multiple recordings after an hour or so,  I found that
> the distortion is not audible while the playback is at -40db to -20db as
> shown on the deck's meter.  Distortion becomes audible at -12db to -15db.
> Very audible at -10db and nearly impossible to comprehend approaching 0db or
> more.
>
> Belts & motors seem strong.  I deoxidized the Tape/Source switch well.  I
> wonder if there is another board I should recap before sending it out to a
> tech.  I have read that all the orange caps should be replaced, but then the
> deck will have to be re-calabrted too.  I can work with a soldering
> iron, but I might be out of my league with calibrating.
>
> *January 2011*
> I acquired the 1000 ZXL this past Summer with an issue.  The audio is
> wonderful initially, until it warms up, then the distortion begins to set
> into the right channel and then the left.  Audio becomes "garbled."
> Distortion becomes audible in 10-15 minutes from initial startup.  Very
> quickly, the distortion becomes too annoying.  After powering down for 20
> minutes, the deck sounds briefly until the distortion returns.  I started to
> focus on the caps, but I wonder if it can be a transistor or microprocessor
> that fails when too warm.  Anyone have a suggestion?
>
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From kmashlan at shaw.ca  Thu Apr 28 23:04:03 2011
From: kmashlan at shaw.ca (Ken Mashlan)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 09:04:03 +1200
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000zxl - Distortion
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The service manual is available for download at http://www.naks.com/wiki

 

Ken

 

 

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of brian.janke at comcast.net
Sent: Friday, 29 April 2011 6:11 a.m.
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 1000zxl - Distortion

 

Yes, sagging after warm-up, yet distortion is only audible as the playback meter approaches -20db.  Distortion  becomes very audible at -10db, and nearly impossible to comprehend audio approaching 0db or more.  Fred's idea makes sense to me.  I have no schematic or service manual to confirm the correct supply voltages.  Would anyone care to share a few service details, correct voltages, and test points - or a couple pages from the service manual? 

 

I will follow up with three other opinions we observed this week via email.  Many thanks to NakTalk!


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To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 9:17:20 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 1000zxl - Distortion

If it is happening on both sides, I would tend to suspect a supply voltage line that is feeding both left and right channel amplifiers, and which is sagging after warmup.

Fred
Classic Audio Repair
www.repairaudio.com <http://www.repairaudio.com/> 

* * * * *

On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 2:39 PM, Christian Thomas <ct.waveform at googlemail.com> wrote:

Luis and Willy 

 

I am astonished that you both think that DC offset could be the issue - and I am quite happy to believe it and can see how it might happen.  You are almost certainly right, and I'm always in favour of not ripping out components, but could you please explain to me why?  Were the overheads so low or was it a design issue that was overlooked?  (In which case I am probably overlooking it today.)

 

Best wishes

 

CT

On 26 April 2011 13:35, Luis Peromarta Regert <luis at peromarta.org> wrote:

Also opamp offset needs to be checked. That would be my first candidate.  



Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos.


El 26/04/2011, a las 13:49, Christian Thomas <ct.waveform at googlemail.com> escribió:

This sounds to me like something wrong in an amplifier stage.  It could be a transistor - or two - that has come to its last moments.  What is probably happening is that it is getting hot after a few tracks and then not doing what it should.  Odd, though that it would appear to be on both sides.

 

If you have a scope you could trace this from the tape amp onwards.  If you don't, but have a service manual and a multimeter, then you could check all the voltages down the signal chain.  It does sound like a job for someone reasonably expert so probably should be sent out to one of the techies you can find here.  But beforehand, do make sure that the problem is actually with the deck.  Ie.  change the input it's using, test other sources through the amp and so on until you have eliminated any other possibilities.  One other thing you might try is doing some looped recordings since this might narrow down where the fault lies.

 

Hope this helps

 

CT

On 26 April 2011 04:30, <brian.janke at comcast.net> wrote:

I am following up on an email I sent early this year (See Below).  Thanks to all for your assistance in January.  I am reaching out once again, before deciding to send it out to a qualified technician.

 

I finally got around to replacing the two Electrolytic caps (C103 & C203) and all but one pair of the PP caps on the Dolby Playback board.  I could not find a pair of the C104 & C204 PP caps (5600p 100v).  No change, the deck functions just the same.  Playback sounds great initially, and after a few tracks, audio becomes distorted (actually "garbled")  :(.   

 

Interesting Observation:

After listening to multiple recordings after an hour or so,  I found that the distortion is not audible while the playback is at -40db to -20db as shown on the deck's meter.  Distortion becomes audible at -12db to -15db.  Very audible at -10db and nearly impossible to comprehend approaching 0db or more.

 

Belts & motors seem strong.  I deoxidized the Tape/Source switch well.  I wonder if there is another board I should recap before sending it out to a tech.  I have read that all the orange caps should be replaced, but then the deck will have to be re-calabrted too.  I can work with a soldering iron, but I might be out of my league with calibrating.   

January 2011

I acquired the 1000 ZXL this past Summer with an issue.  The audio is wonderful initially, until it warms up, then the distortion begins to set into the right channel and then the left.  Audio becomes "garbled."  Distortion becomes audible in 10-15 minutes from initial startup.  Very quickly, the distortion becomes too annoying.  After powering down for 20 minutes, the deck sounds briefly until the distortion returns.  I started to focus on the caps, but I wonder if it can be a transistor or microprocessor that fails when too warm.  Anyone have a suggestion?


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From wotbob01 at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 28 23:26:23 2011
From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 14:26:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Beocord 9000
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Ram, Amazing!  Do you have an E-Bay # for that item?

Bob N

--- On Tue, 4/26/11, shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 6:32 PM


Well,
I am attaching a photo of a deck(BX300) I 
received yesterday from a seller on ebay, who claimed the deck worked 
fine when he sold it. I could not even bring myself to insert a cassette tape  in this deck's well.
Once
 powered up, the transformer overheated and the deck just went 
blip....off! The capstans did rotate though until all went quiet.( about three minutes n all)
Ebay is refunding the money( its back to the seller already) and the seller will get a nice negative for sure.
I hope the seller is not a naktalk member! :)
Ram.



--- On Tue, 4/26/11, hhtltd at juno.com <hhtltd at juno.com> wrote:

From:
 hhtltd at juno.com <hhtltd at juno.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000
To: naktalk at naks.com
Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 10:45 AM



 
 
 
Christine:
 
    You should give the seller a negative rating and file 
complaint with EBAY. The Beogram 9000 like most (not all) other
tape units WILL NOTG operate with no belts. Misrepresenting the operational 
integrity of any equipment is considered
in many cases as fraudulent sale. In short, it couldn't have worked no 
matter what he said. 
 
    Get belts from Vintage electronics or Marr 
communications.
 
Good Luck!
 
NCM
 
On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 12:55:14 +0100 Christian Thomas <ct.waveform at googlemail.com> 
writes:

  
  I recently aquired a Beo 9000 which they say competes soundwise with Nak 
  decks.  I'd like to find out if this is true (and will happily share tyhe 
  results when I do) but at the moment it has no belts.  (That's how it 
  came, though the seller on eBay swore it was working when it left his 
  hands!).  I was wondering if anyone knows where I might find some?
   
  Thanks in advance
   
  Christian
    



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From wotbob01 at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 28 23:52:45 2011
From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 14:52:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Beocord 9000
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Ram, I thought I had some bad stuff from Flea-Bay but you win!
Bob N

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From: Victor Gabrenas <gabrenas at math.utah.edu>
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Beocord 9000
To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Wednesday, April 27, 2011, 9:06 AM

Ram, the photo looks like “new in the box”  VicFrom: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 7:32 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000  
Well,  I am attaching a photo of a deck(BX300) I received yesterday from a seller on ebay, who claimed the deck worked fine when he sold it. I could not even bring myself to insert a cassette tape  in this deck's well.  Once powered up, the transformer overheated and the deck just went blip....off! The capstans did rotate though until all went quiet.( about three minutes n all)  Ebay is refunding the money( its back to the seller already) and the seller will get a nice negative for sure.  I hope the seller is not a naktalk member! :)  Ram.    

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From: hhtltd at juno.com <hhtltd at juno.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000
To: naktalk at naks.com
Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 10:45 AMChristine:     You should give the seller a negative rating and file complaint with EBAY. The Beogram 9000 like most (not all) othertape units WILL NOTG operate with no belts. Misrepresenting the operational integrity of any equipment is consideredin many cases as fraudulent sale. In short, it couldn't have worked no matter what he said.      Get belts from Vintage electronics or Marr communications. Good Luck! NCM On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 12:55:14 +0100 Christian Thomas <ct.waveform at googlemail.com> writes:I recently aquired a Beo 9000 which they say competes soundwise with Nak decks.  I'd like to find out if this is true (and will happily share tyhe results when I do) but at the moment it has no belts.  (That's how it came, though the seller on eBay swore it was working when it left his hands!).  I was wondering if anyone knows where I might find some? Thanks in advance Christian 

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From: gtsdave at bellsouth.net (gtsdave)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 19:46:56 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000zxl - Distortion
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Sounds like a DC off set issue.  Contact Willy Herman about this.  I had a
similar issue and once the DC offset was adjusted, then all was good.

 

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From: brian.janke at comcast.net [mailto:brian.janke at comcast.net] 
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 11:31 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000zxl - Distortion

 

I am following up on an email I sent early this year (See Below).  Thanks to
all for your assistance in January.  I am reaching out once again, before
deciding to send it out to a qualified technician.

 

I finally got around to replacing the two Electrolytic caps (C103 & C203)
and all but one pair of the PP caps on the Dolby Playback board.  I could
not find a pair of the C104 & C204 PP caps (5600p 100v).  No change, the
deck functions just the same.  Playback sounds great initially, and after a
few tracks, audio becomes distorted (actually "garbled")  :(.   

 

Interesting Observation:

After listening to multiple recordings after an hour or so,  I found that
the distortion is not audible while the playback is at -40db to -20db as
shown on the deck's meter.  Distortion becomes audible at -12db to -15db.
Very audible at -10db and nearly impossible to comprehend approaching 0db or
more.

 

Belts & motors seem strong.  I deoxidized the Tape/Source switch well.  I
wonder if there is another board I should recap before sending it out to a
tech.  I have read that all the orange caps should be replaced, but then the
deck will have to be re-calabrted too.  I can work with a soldering iron,
but I might be out of my league with calibrating.   

January 2011

I acquired the 1000 ZXL this past Summer with an issue.  The audio is
wonderful initially, until it warms up, then the distortion begins to set
into the right channel and then the left.  Audio becomes "garbled."
Distortion becomes audible in 10-15 minutes from initial startup.  Very
quickly, the distortion becomes too annoying.  After powering down for 20
minutes, the deck sounds briefly until the distortion returns.  I started to
focus on the caps, but I wonder if it can be a transistor or microprocessor
that fails when too warm.  Anyone have a suggestion?

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From spacepup at hotmail.com  Fri Apr 29 01:51:49 2011
From: spacepup at hotmail.com (Sean Reid)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 19:51:49 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] dragon repairs in Ontario, Canada?
Message-ID: <SNT121-W4CC43C34A774916385CA5DE9B0@phx.gbl>


Hi there,
I'm new to the list, so forgive me if this question has been answered before.  I have 2 Dragons that are in need of repairs, and there is no place locally that can do the job.  I see a lot of places in the US that can repair Dragons, but I fear the cost of shipping would be more than the repairs would be.  Does anyone know of shops in Canada, (preferably Ontario, or at least close by) that are equipped to do the work?  Any and all help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance,Sean 		 	   		  
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From mail at guyfacey.com  Fri Apr 29 05:31:42 2011
From: mail at guyfacey.com (Guy Facey)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 11:31:42 +0800
Subject: [naktalk] Repair service in Chicago?
In-Reply-To: <11055.78940.qm@web83714.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
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I live in Hong Kong but travel each year to England. Nobody seems to know
anyone in HK but does anyone know a Nak technician in England?
thanks
Guy

On 27 April 2011 06:43, jesse ruff <jeruff at yahoo.com> wrote:

>   Hello,
> I live in Chicago and would recommend a couple places.  Let me
> rephrase--recommend might be a little strong!  l I know they can fix it!
> 20th Century will definitely fix your Nak--Mitch has been there for like 40
> plus years, and his shop is awesome--tons of cool vintage electronics, and
> he's actually the one to put me on to Nakamichi--he's a bit crabby to say
> the least though.  Deltronics is also reliable, but expect to shell out some
> cash.  I've heard of other spots, but haven't taken stuff to them; maybe
> Decibel on Milwaukee, but maybe not--their tech may not have the
> experience/parts.
> Jesse
>
> --- On *Tue, 4/26/11, Willy Hermann <willy at willyhermannservices.com>*wrote:
>
>
> From: Willy Hermann <willy at willyhermannservices.com>
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Repair service in Chicago?
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 11:41 AM
>
> Sorry Ron - I don't know of anyone in your area.
>
> Willy
>
> On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 4:01 PM, daddyo <daddyo at metrowebstudios.com<http://mc/compose?to=daddyo at metrowebstudios.com>
> > wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I have a Nakamichi CR-1A cassette deck that all of a sudden won't play.
> Anyone know of a repair service in the Chicago area?
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Ron
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From luis at peromarta.org  Fri Apr 29 11:55:06 2011
From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 11:55:06 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] dragon repairs in Ontario, Canada?
In-Reply-To: <SNT121-W4CC43C34A774916385CA5DE9B0@phx.gbl>
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I don't think so! A dragon is an expensive deck to service. :-( 

But certainly worth it!

Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos.

El 29/04/2011, a las 01:51, Sean Reid <spacepup at hotmail.com> escribió:

> but I fear the cost of shipping would be more than the repairs would be.



From luis at peromarta.org  Fri Apr 29 12:16:20 2011
From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 12:16:20 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Repair service in Chicago?
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B&W are your friends. They read this list so probably will conatct you off list.

http://www.bowersandwilkins.co.uk/nakamichi%20home.html

Best rgds, LP.



El 29/04/2011, a las 05:31, Guy Facey escribió:

> I live in Hong Kong but travel each year to England. Nobody seems to know anyone in HK but does anyone know a Nak technician in England?
> thanks
> Guy




From george.valkov at gmail.com  Fri Apr 29 14:07:24 2011
From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 15:07:24 +0300
Subject: [naktalk] Repair service in UK
Message-ID: <BANLkTinD+zAv7t7r9mL5ivKO9C=8LQ-J3Q@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.bowersandwilkins.co.uk/nakamichi%20home.html

On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 6:31 AM, Guy Facey <mail at guyfacey.com> wrote:

> I live in Hong Kong but travel each year to England. Nobody seems to know
> anyone in HK but does anyone know a Nak technician in England?
> thanks
> Guy
>
> On 27 April 2011 06:43, jesse ruff <jeruff at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>   Hello,
>> I live in Chicago and would recommend a couple places.  Let me
>> rephrase--recommend might be a little strong!  l I know they can fix it!
>> 20th Century will definitely fix your Nak--Mitch has been there for like 40
>> plus years, and his shop is awesome--tons of cool vintage electronics, and
>> he's actually the one to put me on to Nakamichi--he's a bit crabby to say
>> the least though.  Deltronics is also reliable, but expect to shell out some
>> cash.  I've heard of other spots, but haven't taken stuff to them; maybe
>> Decibel on Milwaukee, but maybe not--their tech may not have the
>> experience/parts.
>> Jesse
>>
>> --- On *Tue, 4/26/11, Willy Hermann <willy at willyhermannservices.com>*wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Willy Hermann <willy at willyhermannservices.com>
>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Repair service in Chicago?
>> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>> Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 11:41 AM
>>
>> Sorry Ron - I don't know of anyone in your area.
>>
>> Willy
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 4:01 PM, daddyo <daddyo at metrowebstudios.com<http://mc/compose?to=daddyo at metrowebstudios.com>
>> > wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have a Nakamichi CR-1A cassette deck that all of a sudden won't play.
>> Anyone know of a repair service in the Chicago area?
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Ron
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From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 29 15:28:12 2011
From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 06:28:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] dragon repairs in Ontario, Canada?
In-Reply-To: <SNT121-W4CC43C34A774916385CA5DE9B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <942372.9284.qm@web112711.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

HI Sean,

In Nak repairs, the old addage"you get what you pay for " holds supreme. I speak with a lot of experience.

There are two service places that have been consistent for me which are: Willy Hermann Services in California and ESL in Connecticut.

Your Dragons will cost much much more to fix than the $60-70 you spend on shipping each way, but will be well worth it in the end if sent to the places above. It is a complex machine. 

May be you should send one at a time and take a breather prior  to sending the second one out.

ESL can be reached at www.nakamichi.us and WIlly at willyhermannservices.com

Good luck.

Ram.

--- On Thu, 4/28/11, Sean Reid <spacepup at hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Sean Reid <spacepup at hotmail.com>
Subject: [naktalk] dragon repairs in Ontario, Canada?
To: naktalk at naks.com
Date: Thursday, April 28, 2011, 7:51 PM





 
Hi there,
I'm new to the list, so forgive me if this question has been answered before.  I have 2 Dragons that are in need of repairs, and there is no place locally that can do the job.  I see a lot of places in the US that can repair Dragons, but I fear the cost of shipping would be more than the repairs would be.  Does anyone know of shops in Canada, (preferably Ontario, or at least close by) that are equipped to do the work?  Any and all help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance,Sean 		 	   		  

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From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 29 15:29:35 2011
From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 06:29:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Beocord 9000
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Thanks Bob. That was my worst on ebay too to date! 

Ram.


--- On Thu, 4/28/11, Bob Naylor <wotbob01 at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Bob Naylor <wotbob01 at yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Beocord 9000
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Thursday, April 28, 2011, 5:52 PM

Ram, I thought I had some bad stuff from Flea-Bay but you win!
Bob N

--- On Wed, 4/27/11, Victor Gabrenas <gabrenas at math.utah.edu> wrote:

From: Victor Gabrenas <gabrenas at math.utah.edu>
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Beocord 9000
To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Wednesday, April 27, 2011, 9:06 AM

Ram, the photo looks like “new in the box”  VicFrom: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 7:32 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000  
Well,  I am attaching a photo of a deck(BX300) I received yesterday from a seller on ebay, who claimed the deck worked fine when he sold it. I could not even bring myself to insert a cassette tape  in this deck's well.  Once powered up, the transformer overheated and the deck just went blip....off! The capstans did rotate though until all went quiet.( about three minutes n all)  Ebay is refunding the money( its back to the seller already) and the seller will get a nice negative for sure.  I hope the seller is not a naktalk member! :)  Ram.    

--- On Tue, 4/26/11, hhtltd at juno.com <hhtltd at juno.com> wrote:
From: hhtltd at juno.com <hhtltd at juno.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000
To: naktalk at naks.com
Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 10:45 AMChristine:     You should give the seller a negative rating and file complaint with EBAY. The Beogram 9000 like most (not all) othertape units WILL NOTG operate with no
 belts. Misrepresenting the operational integrity of any equipment is consideredin many cases as fraudulent sale. In short, it couldn't have worked no matter what he said.      Get belts from Vintage electronics or Marr communications. Good Luck! NCM On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 12:55:14 +0100 Christian Thomas <ct.waveform at googlemail.com> writes:I recently aquired a Beo 9000 which they say competes soundwise with Nak decks.  I'd like to find out if this is true (and will happily share tyhe results when I do) but at the moment it has no belts.  (That's how it came, though the seller on eBay swore it was working when it left his hands!).  I was wondering if anyone knows where I might find some? Thanks in advance Christian 

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From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 29 15:33:17 2011
From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 06:33:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Beocord 9000
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Ite number is 260767028432

Seller is  devdude and he has a 100% rating!...which will drop when the money is refunded by ebay on receipt of deck back.

Ram.



--- On Thu, 4/28/11, Bob Naylor <wotbob01 at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Bob Naylor <wotbob01 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Thursday, April 28, 2011, 5:26 PM

Ram, Amazing!  Do you have an E-Bay # for that item?

Bob N

--- On Tue, 4/26/11, shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 6:32 PM


Well,
I am attaching a photo of a deck(BX300) I 
received yesterday from a seller on ebay, who claimed the deck worked 
fine when he sold it. I could not even bring myself to insert a cassette tape  in this deck's well.
Once
 powered up, the transformer overheated and the deck just went 
blip....off! The capstans did rotate though until all went quiet.( about three minutes n all)
Ebay is refunding the money( its back to the seller already) and the seller will get a nice negative for sure.
I hope the seller is not a naktalk member! :)
Ram.



--- On Tue, 4/26/11, hhtltd at juno.com <hhtltd at juno.com> wrote:

From:
 hhtltd at juno.com <hhtltd at juno.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000
To: naktalk at naks.com
Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 10:45 AM



 
 
 
Christine:
 
    You should give the seller a negative rating and file 
complaint with EBAY. The Beogram 9000 like most (not all) other
tape units WILL NOTG operate with no belts. Misrepresenting the operational 
integrity of any equipment is considered
in many cases as fraudulent sale. In short, it couldn't have worked no 
matter what he said. 
 
    Get belts from Vintage electronics or Marr 
communications.
 
Good Luck!
 
NCM
 
On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 12:55:14 +0100 Christian Thomas <ct.waveform at googlemail.com> 
writes:

  
  I recently aquired a Beo 9000 which they say competes soundwise with Nak 
  decks.  I'd like to find out if this is true (and will happily share tyhe 
  results when I do) but at the moment it has no belts.  (That's how it 
  came, though the seller on eBay swore it was working when it left his 
  hands!).  I was wondering if anyone knows where I might find some?
   
  Thanks in advance
   
  Christian
    



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From jmlevitz at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 29 13:22:32 2011
From: jmlevitz at yahoo.com (jayson levitz)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 04:22:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Repair service in Chicago?
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTimFZHRjunS68XkMxfH=Nr25VeTdnA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTim8rLg02tHhdeBPjwUbDuaAfQJAGg@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Guy.

B&W (Bowers & Wilkins), the company known for its great speakers, believe it or 
not, also repairs Naks.  They are in England.

Jayson 




________________________________
From: Guy Facey <mail at guyfacey.com>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thu, April 28, 2011 11:31:42 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Repair service in Chicago?


I live in Hong Kong but travel each year to England. Nobody seems to know anyone 
in HK but does anyone know a Nak technician in England?
thanks
Guy


On 27 April 2011 06:43, jesse ruff <jeruff at yahoo.com> wrote:

Hello,
>I live in Chicago and would recommend a couple places.  Let me 
>rephrase--recommend might be a little strong!  l I know they can fix it!  20th 
>Century will definitely fix your Nak--Mitch has been there for like 40 plus 
>years, and his shop is awesome--tons of cool vintage electronics, and he's 
>actually the one to put me on to Nakamichi--he's a bit crabby to say the least 
>though.  Deltronics is also reliable, but expect to shell out some cash.  I've 
>heard of other spots, but haven't taken stuff to them; maybe Decibel on 
>Milwaukee, but maybe not--their tech may not have the experience/parts.  
>
>Jesse  
>
>--- On Tue, 4/26/11, Willy Hermann <willy at willyhermannservices.com> wrote:
>
>
>>From: Willy Hermann <willy at willyhermannservices.com>
>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Repair service in Chicago?
>>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>>Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 11:41 AM
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>>Sorry Ron - I don't know of anyone in your area. 
>>
>>
>>Willy
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>>
>>On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 4:01 PM, daddyo <daddyo at metrowebstudios.com> wrote:
>>
>>Hi,
>>>
>>>I have a Nakamichi CR-1A cassette deck that all of a sudden won't play. Anyone 
>>>know of a repair service in the Chicago area?
>>>
>>>
>>>Thanks
>>>
>>>Ron
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From josephjean at verizon.net  Fri Apr 29 13:44:35 2011
From: josephjean at verizon.net (goodguy)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 07:44:35 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Repair service in Chicago?
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTimFZHRjunS68XkMxfH=Nr25VeTdnA@mail.gmail.com>
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I believe the place to go is Bowers Electronics in Liverpool.

Google it.

At 11:31 PM 4/28/2011, you wrote:
>I live in Hong Kong but travel each year to England. Nobody seems to 
>know anyone in HK but does anyone know a Nak technician in England?
>thanks
>Guy
>
>On 27 April 2011 06:43, jesse ruff 
><<mailto:jeruff at yahoo.com>jeruff at yahoo.com> wrote:
>Hello,
>I live in Chicago and would recommend a couple places.  Let me 
>rephrase--recommend might be a little strong!  l I know they can fix 
>it!  20th Century will definitely fix your Nak--Mitch has been there 
>for like 40 plus years, and his shop is awesome--tons of cool 
>vintage electronics, and he's actually the one to put me on to 
>Nakamichi--he's a bit crabby to say the least though.  Deltronics is 
>also reliable, but expect to shell out some cash.  I've heard of 
>other spots, but haven't taken stuff to them; maybe Decibel on 
>Milwaukee, but maybe not--their tech may not have the experience/parts.
>Jesse
>
>--- On Tue, 4/26/11, Willy Hermann 
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>From: Willy Hermann 
><<mailto:willy at willyhermannservices.com>willy at willyhermannservices.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Repair service in Chicago?
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" 
><<mailto:naktalk at naks.com>naktalk at naks.com>
>Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 11:41 AM
>
>Sorry Ron - I don't know of anyone in your area.
>
>Willy
>
>On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 4:01 PM, daddyo 
><<http://mc/compose?to=daddyo at metrowebstudios.com>daddyo at metrowebstudios.com> 
>wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I have a Nakamichi CR-1A cassette deck that all of a sudden won't 
>play. Anyone know of a repair service in the Chicago area?
>
>
>Thanks
>
>Ron
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From hhtltd at juno.com  Fri Apr 29 15:38:13 2011
From: hhtltd at juno.com (hhtltd at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 09:38:13 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Repair service in UK
Message-ID: <20110429.093814.4068.1.hhtltd@juno.com>

You might wast to contact Nakamichi Hqs in Japan or Singapore for
information on where to get their legacy products
repaired. I would think Japan would have large numbers of repair
facilities for Nak products as well.  Start with
www.Nakamichi.com .

NCM

On Fri, 29 Apr 2011 15:07:24 +0300 george valkov
<george.valkov at gmail.com> writes:
http://www.bowersandwilkins.co.uk/nakamichi%20home.html


On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 6:31 AM, Guy Facey <mail at guyfacey.com> wrote:

I live in Hong Kong but travel each year to England. Nobody seems to know
anyone in HK but does anyone know a Nak technician in England?
thanks
Guy


On 27 April 2011 06:43, jesse ruff <jeruff at yahoo.com> wrote:

Hello,
I live in Chicago and would recommend a couple places.  Let me
rephrase--recommend might be a little strong!  l I know they can fix it! 
20th Century will definitely fix your Nak--Mitch has been there for like
40 plus years, and his shop is awesome--tons of cool vintage electronics,
and he's actually the one to put me on to Nakamichi--he's a bit crabby to
say the least though.  Deltronics is also reliable, but expect to shell
out some cash.  I've heard of other spots, but haven't taken stuff to
them; maybe Decibel on Milwaukee, but maybe not--their tech may not have
the experience/parts.  
Jesse  

--- On Tue, 4/26/11, Willy Hermann <willy at willyhermannservices.com>
wrote:


From: Willy Hermann <willy at willyhermannservices.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Repair service in Chicago?
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 11:41 AM


Sorry Ron - I don't know of anyone in your area. 


Willy


On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 4:01 PM, daddyo <daddyo at metrowebstudios.com>
wrote:

Hi,

I have a Nakamichi CR-1A cassette deck that all of a sudden won't play.
Anyone know of a repair service in the Chicago area?


Thanks

Ron
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From mark8559 at hotmail.com  Fri Apr 29 19:54:02 2011
From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 11:54:02 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300
In-Reply-To: <48084.47203.qm@web112715.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <924013.77154.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>,
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For crying out loud! That seller is in my neck of the woods.
He had it listed on Craigslist for one day at $150 (I didn't respond) and then took the ad off. 
After he placed it on Ebay I asked him if local pick up was o.k. (I didn't bid on the item).
Something gives me a feeling he may be the dude who moves items out of people's homes, 
therefore some items are given to him.
 


Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 06:33:17 -0700
From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000
To: naktalk at naks.com





Ite number is 260767028432

Seller is  devdude and he has a 100% rating!...which will drop when the money is refunded by ebay on receipt of deck back.

Ram.



--- On Thu, 4/28/11, Bob Naylor <wotbob01 at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Bob Naylor <wotbob01 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Thursday, April 28, 2011, 5:26 PM






Ram, Amazing!  Do you have an E-Bay # for that item?

Bob N

--- On Tue, 4/26/11, shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 6:32 PM







Well,


I am attaching a photo of a deck(BX300) I received yesterday from a seller on ebay, who claimed the deck worked fine when he sold it. I could not even bring myself to insert a cassette tape  in this deck's well.


Once powered up, the transformer overheated and the deck just went blip....off! The capstans did rotate though until all went quiet.( about three minutes n all)


Ebay is refunding the money( its back to the seller already) and the seller will get a nice negative for sure.


I hope the seller is not a naktalk member! :)


Ram.










       


   



 
 		 	   		  
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From shoeihell at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 29 16:36:47 2011
From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 07:36:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk]RE:Beocord 9000
In-Reply-To: <201104291139.p3TBUHRI004375@zxe.naks.com>
References: <201104291139.p3TBUHRI004375@zxe.naks.com>
Message-ID: <299981.9829.qm@web120712.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Ram,
This is a very good point. I learned a number of yrs ago PayPal is our only 
lifeline, unless on the off chance you are dealing with a honest and attentive 
seller. Especially when ebay bought PayPal and dropped the war games going on 
between sellers & buyers. I believe ALL sellers are now required to offer PayPal 
as a purchasing tool...they can offer other purchasing options as well, but they 
have to offer PayPal. And they can't ask for more money either because of the 
use of PayPal....at least not in their ad.

But yeah, read the listings very well and ask as many questions as you want. If 
they act put-out to answer, move on. I've had some old school sellers stonewall 
me with bad/misrepresented merchandise and lousy communication ....figuring it 
was like the old days on ebay and they would win out against my complaints. 
PayPal made short shrift of that.  The moral of the story in most instances is 
the seller's perception (and knowledge) of 'condition'. I honestly believe that 
many of them see a rose, when it's really a thorn and that they don't 
necessarily set out to deceive. Or...they got taken and set out to do the same. 
It's kinda hard to swear a deck worked when it has no belt!

Kevin




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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 06:28:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Beocord 9000
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
Message-ID: <464449.11449.qm at web112708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

On  the other hand despite my BX 300 disaster, I have bought at least 50  plus 
decks( mostly Naks) out of which I can recall only 15 or so being  utterly bad.

That gives ebay seller's a 70% positive in my books.  However, I am not as 
concerned because I only use paypal and I have not  lost a penny in any of my 
transactions. One gets to learn personalities  when one gets stuck with the kind 
of deck I recently got stuck with.

Moral  of the story. Read the listings well. Ask questions. Never pay with  
acheck or money transfer. Use paypal. Thats it. You are covered.

Lets go shopping. This disease is never ending!

Ram.
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From wotbob01 at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 29 17:42:56 2011
From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 08:42:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Tapes you use to record
In-Reply-To: <000301cc047c$9143feb0$b3cbfc10$@net>
Message-ID: <440726.15374.qm@web82302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Tim, I've had a couple TDK SM-30's for a few years, maybe ten, but haven't used them.  I'll give them a try on a couple different machines and let you know how they sound.  I'll try them on a ZX-7, CR-5, and and LX-5.
Bob N

--- On Tue, 4/26/11, Tim and Pam Sepper <timpamsepper at cox.net> wrote:

From: Tim and Pam Sepper <timpamsepper at cox.net>
Subject: [naktalk] Tapes you use to record
To: naktalk at naks.com
Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 6:43 PM

I just bought some TDK SM Pro Premium High bias tape from J&R for $4 each.  Looks like pretty good specs, I think.  Anyone have experience with these?  Comparable to TDK SA?  Tim    Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 19:51:15 -0600From: Mark Exstedt <mark8559 at hotmail.com>Subject: FW: [naktalk] Tapes you use to recordTo: <naktalk at naks.com>Message-ID: <SNT111-W64AA227949F43953EEF4EDBA60 at phx.gbl>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"    You can't go wrong with TDK SA or Maxell XLII.They are available on Ebay and some listings have reasonable prices.It's also a good idea to buy used TDK SA and Maxell XLII and then erase them with a bulk eraser before doing your recordings.I also use Denon HD-8, HD-7, and HD-6 cassettes to record my treasured LP collection.I've been recording cassettes since the 70's and my preference hasen't changed much. I use the TDK-SA on acoustic guitar and the Maxell XLII on heavy metal. > From: hockeyeast at yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 8 Apr
 2011 19:50:59 -0400> To: naktalk at naks.com> Subject: [naktalk] Tapes you use to record> > > Maybe this has been covered before, so if it has I apologize. What tapes do you use to record with. Your favorites? Thanks...rich    
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From angel9esoteric at gmail.com  Fri Apr 29 20:41:46 2011
From: angel9esoteric at gmail.com (MD)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 14:41:46 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300
In-Reply-To: <SNT111-W22EF5F2CF6B6C97881DBFCDB9A0@phx.gbl>
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I just looked at that ebay listing for Nak BX-300 deck.The pix he
posted is pretty small but cosmetically it looks to be in good
condition.From description: "Good condition except it may need a
standard drive overhaul, occasionally it will not play or rewind...He
probably just re-sells stuff on ebay and not an expert in vintage
electronics.The seller should offer some kind of money-back guarantee
or sell it strictly as-is for parts or non-working. Regards,M

On 4/29/11, Mark Exstedt <mark8559 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> For crying out loud! That seller is in my neck of the woods.
> He had it listed on Craigslist for one day at $150 (I didn't respond) and
> then took the ad off.
> After he placed it on Ebay I asked him if local pick up was o.k. (I didn't
> bid on the item).
> Something gives me a feeling he may be the dude who moves items out of
> people's homes,
> therefore some items are given to him.
>
>
>
> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 06:33:17 -0700
> From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000
> To: naktalk at naks.com
>
>
>
>
>
> Ite number is 260767028432
>
> Seller is  devdude and he has a 100% rating!...which will drop when the
> money is refunded by ebay on receipt of deck back.
>
> Ram.
>
>
>
> --- On Thu, 4/28/11, Bob Naylor <wotbob01 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Bob Naylor <wotbob01 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Date: Thursday, April 28, 2011, 5:26 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Ram, Amazing!  Do you have an E-Bay # for that item?
>
> Bob N
>
> --- On Tue, 4/26/11, shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 6:32 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Well,
>
>
> I am attaching a photo of a deck(BX300) I received yesterday from a seller
> on ebay, who claimed the deck worked fine when he sold it. I could not even
> bring myself to insert a cassette tape  in this deck's well.
>
>
> Once powered up, the transformer overheated and the deck just went
> blip....off! The capstans did rotate though until all went quiet.( about
> three minutes n all)
>
>
> Ebay is refunding the money( its back to the seller already) and the seller
> will get a nice negative for sure.
>
>
> I hope the seller is not a naktalk member! :)
>
>
> Ram.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


From kaupp240 at hotmail.com  Fri Apr 29 22:39:31 2011
From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 10:39:31 -1000
Subject: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTikNnjDQXZ4uA1ZkbwQKoVypkx1HWQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <924013.77154.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com><48084.47203.qm@web112715.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><SNT111-W22EF5F2CF6B6C97881DBFCDB9A0@phx.gbl>
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Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP157739D4D2D74304C94B9A6869A0@phx.gbl>


 
Except that the description sounds like he had at least tried to play a
tape... The cobwebs (or spiderwebs) and dust appear to have been UNdisturbed
for quite some time, so it is very hard to believe that he even plopped a
single tape in the machine prior to listing it. You don't need to be an
expert in vintage electronics to insert a tape and press PLAY or REWIND.

Cheryl


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From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of MD
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 8:42 AM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300

I just looked at that ebay listing for Nak BX-300 deck.The pix he posted is
pretty small but cosmetically it looks to be in good condition.From
description: "Good condition except it may need a standard drive overhaul,
occasionally it will not play or rewind...He probably just re-sells stuff on
ebay and not an expert in vintage electronics.The seller should offer some
kind of money-back guarantee or sell it strictly as-is for parts or
non-working. Regards,M

On 4/29/11, Mark Exstedt <mark8559 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> For crying out loud! That seller is in my neck of the woods.
> He had it listed on Craigslist for one day at $150 (I didn't respond) 
> and then took the ad off.
> After he placed it on Ebay I asked him if local pick up was o.k. (I 
> didn't bid on the item).
> Something gives me a feeling he may be the dude who moves items out of 
> people's homes, therefore some items are given to him.
>



From dgb100 at psu.edu  Fri Apr 29 20:58:54 2011
From: dgb100 at psu.edu (Beckner, Derrick)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 14:58:54 -0400
Subject: [naktalk]RE:Beocord 9000
In-Reply-To: <299981.9829.qm@web120712.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <201104291139.p3TBUHRI004375@zxe.naks.com>
	<299981.9829.qm@web120712.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <D7D10CE89BCFA94383E3236123AAAFD4012EDE2377D8@DDAS44.ddar.psu.edu>

I browse through Audiogon periodically and am shocked by the number of sellers who require an extra 4% for Pay Pal.  First off, if it is that important just add 4% to the sale price, second, except for huge sales, it's worth the 4% to not have to deal with taking a check down to the bank and hoping it doesn't bounce.  I'm also amused by "non-smoking environment" when selling electronics.  Seriously, wood and metal aren't going to be absorbing smoke smells.  Much rather would see "Actually tested device and found it works".

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Fetner
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 10:37 AM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk]RE:Beocord 9000

Ram,
This is a very good point. I learned a number of yrs ago PayPal is our only lifeline, unless on the off chance you are dealing with a honest and attentive seller. Especially when ebay bought PayPal and dropped the war games going on between sellers & buyers. I believe ALL sellers are now required to offer PayPal as a purchasing tool...they can offer other purchasing options as well, but they have to offer PayPal. And they can't ask for more money either because of the use of PayPal....at least not in their ad.

But yeah, read the listings very well and ask as many questions as you want. If they act put-out to answer, move on. I've had some old school sellers stonewall me with bad/misrepresented merchandise and lousy communication ....figuring it was like the old days on ebay and they would win out against my complaints. PayPal made short shrift of that.  The moral of the story in most instances is the seller's perception (and knowledge) of 'condition'. I honestly believe that many of them see a rose, when it's really a thorn and that they don't necessarily set out to deceive. Or...they got taken and set out to do the same. It's kinda hard to swear a deck worked when it has no belt!

Kevin

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Subject: RE: [naktalk] Beocord 9000
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com<mailto:naktalk at naks.com>>
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On the other hand despite my BX 300 disaster, I have bought at least 50 plus decks( mostly Naks) out of which I can recall only 15 or so being utterly bad.

That gives ebay seller's a 70% positive in my books. However, I am not as concerned because I only use paypal and I have not lost a penny in any of my transactions. One gets to learn personalities when one gets stuck with the kind of deck I recently got stuck with.

Moral of the story. Read the listings well. Ask questions. Never pay with acheck or money transfer. Use paypal. Thats it. You are covered.

Lets go shopping. This disease is never ending!

Ram.
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From wotbob01 at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 29 23:15:27 2011
From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 14:15:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Beocord 9000
In-Reply-To: <48084.47203.qm@web112715.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <519879.70445.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

WOW what a description!  Make you wonder how he got 100+ positive feedbacks?????
Bob N

--- On Fri, 4/29/11, shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Friday, April 29, 2011, 6:33 AM

Ite number is 260767028432

Seller is  devdude and he has a 100% rating!...which will drop when the money is refunded by ebay on receipt of deck
 back.

Ram.



--- On Thu, 4/28/11, Bob Naylor <wotbob01 at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Bob Naylor <wotbob01 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Thursday, April 28, 2011, 5:26 PM

Ram, Amazing!  Do you have an E-Bay # for that item?

Bob N

--- On Tue, 4/26/11, shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks"
 <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 6:32 PM


Well,
I am attaching a photo of a deck(BX300) I 
received yesterday from a seller on ebay, who claimed the deck worked 
fine when he sold it. I could not even bring myself to insert a cassette tape  in this deck's well.
Once
 powered up, the transformer overheated and the deck just went 
blip....off! The capstans did rotate though until all went quiet.( about three minutes n all)
Ebay is refunding the money( its back to the seller already) and the seller will get a nice negative for sure.
I hope the seller is not a naktalk member! :)
Ram.



--- On Tue, 4/26/11, hhtltd at juno.com <hhtltd at juno.com> wrote:

From:
 hhtltd at juno.com <hhtltd at juno.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000
To: naktalk at naks.com
Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 10:45 AM



 
 
 
Christine:
 
    You should give the seller a negative rating and file 
complaint with EBAY. The Beogram 9000 like most (not all) other
tape units WILL NOTG operate with no belts. Misrepresenting the operational 
integrity of any equipment is considered
in many cases as fraudulent sale. In short, it couldn't have worked no 
matter what he said. 
 
    Get belts from Vintage electronics or Marr 
communications.
 
Good Luck!
 
NCM
 
On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 12:55:14 +0100 Christian Thomas <ct.waveform at googlemail.com> 
writes:

  
  I recently aquired a Beo 9000 which they say competes soundwise with Nak 
  decks.  I'd like to find out if this is true (and will happily share tyhe 
  results when I do) but at the moment it has no belts.  (That's how it 
  came, though the seller on eBay swore it was working when it left his 
  hands!).  I was wondering if anyone knows where I might find some?
   
  Thanks in advance
   
  Christian
    



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From columbiafl2000 at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 29 23:36:02 2011
From: columbiafl2000 at yahoo.com (Rick >'})
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 14:36:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTikNnjDQXZ4uA1ZkbwQKoVypkx1HWQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <924013.77154.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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I dont understand what all the fuss is about - the seller didnt offer a 
warranty... you, compared to other units on eBay, "stole" the unit and now you 
are unhappy - I mean, c'mon -- you are buying electronics from a seller you dont 
know and .... buyer beware! - get over yourself - and guess what, electronics do 
fail - all the time - you dont know if they knew all the problems or not - stop 
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From willy at willyhermannservices.com  Sat Apr 30 01:00:53 2011
From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 15:00:53 -0800
Subject: [naktalk]RE:Beocord 9000
In-Reply-To: <D7D10CE89BCFA94383E3236123AAAFD4012EDE2377D8@DDAS44.ddar.psu.edu>
References: <201104291139.p3TBUHRI004375@zxe.naks.com>
	<299981.9829.qm@web120712.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<D7D10CE89BCFA94383E3236123AAAFD4012EDE2377D8@DDAS44.ddar.psu.edu>
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Actually - having worked on audio electronics for 40 years now I can testify
that a smoking environment does terrible things to the inside of gear -
especially electro-mechanical units like tape decks.  Also, the smell
permeates everything inside and never goes away.  I wouldn't have a smokers
unit in my system.  Every time it warms up you can smell it.

Willy

On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 10:58 AM, Beckner, Derrick <dgb100 at psu.edu> wrote:

> I browse through Audiogon periodically and am shocked by the number of
> sellers who require an extra 4% for Pay Pal.  First off, if it is that
> important just add 4% to the sale price, second, except for huge sales, it’s
> worth the 4% to not have to deal with taking a check down to the bank and
> hoping it doesn’t bounce.  I’m also amused by “non-smoking environment”
> when selling electronics.  Seriously, wood and metal aren’t going to be
> absorbing smoke smells.  Much rather would see “Actually tested device and
> found it works”.
>
>
>
> *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Kevin Fetner
> *Sent:* Friday, April 29, 2011 10:37 AM
> *To:* naktalk at naks.com
> *Subject:* [naktalk]RE:Beocord 9000
>
>
>
> Ram,
> This is a very good point. I learned a number of yrs ago PayPal is our only
> lifeline, unless on the off chance you are dealing with a honest and
> attentive seller. Especially when ebay bought PayPal and dropped the war
> games going on between sellers & buyers. I believe ALL sellers are now
> required to offer PayPal as a purchasing tool...they can offer other
> purchasing options as well, but they have to offer PayPal. And they can't
> ask for more money either because of the use of PayPal....at least not in
> their ad.
>
> But yeah, read the listings very well and ask as many questions as you
> want. If they act put-out to answer, move on. I've had some old school
> sellers stonewall me with bad/misrepresented merchandise and lousy
> communication ....figuring it was like the old days on ebay and they would
> win out against my complaints. PayPal made short shrift of that.  The moral
> of the story in most instances is the seller's perception (and knowledge) of
> 'condition'. I honestly believe that many of them see a rose, when it's
> really a thorn and that they don't necessarily set out to deceive. Or...they
> got taken and set out to do the same. It's kinda hard to swear a deck worked
> when it has no belt!
>
> Kevin
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 06:28:58 -0700 (PDT)
> From: shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Beocord 9000
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> Message-ID: <464449.11449.qm at web112708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> On the other hand despite my BX 300 disaster, I have bought at least 50
> plus decks( mostly Naks) out of which I can recall only 15 or so being
> utterly bad.
>
> That gives ebay seller's a 70% positive in my books. However, I am not as
> concerned because I only use paypal and I have not lost a penny in any of my
> transactions. One gets to learn personalities when one gets stuck with the
> kind of deck I recently got stuck with.
>
> Moral of the story. Read the listings well. Ask questions. Never pay with
> acheck or money transfer. Use paypal. Thats it. You are covered.
>
> Lets go shopping. This disease is never ending!
>
> Ram.
>
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From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com  Sat Apr 30 02:05:51 2011
From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (Ram)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 20:05:51 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300
In-Reply-To: <256522.46739.qm@web113206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <924013.77154.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Hi Rick,

Please chill. No one here is complaining or crying!  I am getting my money back and the other members here are just horrified by what I showed in a photo I received.

If that seller had a little honesty he would not have sent the deck with all the cobwebs and dog hair and what not in the well.....and not claimed that it plays but at times rew and play stop. This deck was never played on in am eon. No cassette could have played in it....they way I got it.

That's why I like eBay. Buyers are almost always right. 

Rick, if you are going to justify the seller, I do not  know what to say here!

Ram.



On Apr 29, 2011, at 5:36 PM, "Rick >'}" <columbiafl2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I dont understand what all the fuss is about - the seller didnt offer a warranty... you, compared to other units on eBay, "stole" the unit and now you are unhappy - I mean, c'mon -- you are buying electronics from a seller you dont know and .... buyer beware! - get over yourself - and guess what, electronics do fail - all the time - you dont know if they knew all the problems or not - stop crying.
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Sat Apr 30 02:06:27 2011
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 02:06:27 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Donation: 480 and CDP-2A
Message-ID: <3442f146f50bcd8d6278a579878f6464.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>


The 480 doesn't record and the CDP-2A doesn't open the tray.
Owner lives in Northern New Jersey..

Anyone interested?

Wouter



From gabrenas at math.utah.edu  Sat Apr 30 02:55:08 2011
From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 18:55:08 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300
In-Reply-To: <256522.46739.qm@web113206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <924013.77154.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Seller has been identified?

Vic


On Apr 29, 2011, at 3:36 PM, "Rick >'}" <columbiafl2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I dont understand what all the fuss is about - the seller didnt offer a warranty... you, compared to other units on eBay, "stole" the unit and now you are unhappy - I mean, c'mon -- you are buying electronics from a seller you dont know and .... buyer beware! - get over yourself - and guess what, electronics do fail - all the time - you dont know if they knew all the problems or not - stop crying.
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From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com  Sat Apr 30 04:16:31 2011
From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (Ram)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 22:16:31 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Donation: 480 and CDP-2A
In-Reply-To: <3442f146f50bcd8d6278a579878f6464.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>
References: <3442f146f50bcd8d6278a579878f6464.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <89CD2F17-AA97-42B3-AFB6-305977EC7692@yahoo.com>

I can pick them up Wouter. They'll get a good homeA,
Ram



On Apr 29, 2011, at 8:06 PM, "Wouter Heijke" <wheijke at xs4all.nl> wrote:

> 
> The 480 doesn't record and the CDP-2A doesn't open the tray.
> Owner lives in Northern New Jersey..
> 
> Anyone interested?
> 
> Wouter
> 
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From columbiafl2000 at yahoo.com  Sat Apr 30 01:35:20 2011
From: columbiafl2000 at yahoo.com (Rick >'})
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 16:35:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Beocord 9000
In-Reply-To: <519879.70445.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <519879.70445.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <640727.1334.qm@web113203.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Clearly states no returns - buyer beware - sounds to me like sour grapes

From: Bob Naylor <wotbob01 at yahoo.com>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Fri, April 29, 2011 5:15:27 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000


WOW what a description!  Make you wonder how he got 100+ positive feedbacks?????
Bob N

--- On Fri, 4/29/11, shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:


>From: shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Date: Friday, April 29, 2011, 6:33 AM
>
>
>Ite number is 260767028432
>
>Seller is  devdude and he has a 100% rating!...which will drop when the money is 
>refunded by ebay on receipt of deck back.
>
>Ram.
>
>
>
>--- On Thu, 4/28/11, Bob Naylor <wotbob01 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>From: Bob Naylor <wotbob01 at yahoo.com>
>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000
>>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>>Date: Thursday, April 28, 2011, 5:26 PM
>>
>>
>>Ram, Amazing!  Do you have an E-Bay # for that item?
>>
>>Bob N
>>
>>--- On Tue, 4/26/11, shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>From: shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com>
>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000
>>>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>>>Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 6:32 PM
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Well, 
>>>
>>>
>>>I am attaching a photo of a deck(BX300) I received yesterday from a seller on 
>>>ebay, who claimed the deck worked fine when he sold it. I could not even bring 
>>>myself to insert a cassette tape  in this deck's well.
>>>
>>>
>>>Once powered up, the transformer overheated and the deck just went blip....off! 
>>>The capstans did rotate though until all went quiet.( about three minutes n all)
>>>
>>>
>>>Ebay is refunding the money( its back to the seller already) and the seller will 
>>>get a nice negative for sure.
>>>
>>>
>>>I hope the seller is not a naktalk member! :)
>>>
>>>
>>>Ram.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>--- On Tue, 4/26/11, hhtltd at juno.com <hhtltd at juno.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>From: hhtltd at juno.com <hhtltd at juno.com>
>>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000
>>>>To: naktalk at naks.com
>>>>Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 10:45 AM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Christine:
>>>>
>>>>    You should give the seller a negative rating and file complaint with EBAY. 
>>>>The Beogram 9000 like most (not all) other
>>>>tape units WILL NOTG operate with no belts. Misrepresenting the operational 
>>>>integrity of any equipment is considered
>>>>in many cases as fraudulent sale. In short, it couldn't have worked no matter 
>>>>what he said. 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    Get belts from Vintage electronics or Marr communications.
>>>>
>>>>Good Luck!
>>>>
>>>>NCM
>>>>
>>>>On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 12:55:14 +0100 Christian Thomas <ct.waveform at googlemail.com> 
>>>>writes:
>>>>I recently aquired a Beo 9000 which they say competes soundwise with Nak decks.  
>>>>I'd like to find out if this is true (and will happily share tyhe results when I 
>>>>do) but at the moment it has no belts.  (That's how it came, though the seller 
>>>>on eBay swore it was working when it left his hands!).  I was wondering if 
>>>>anyone knows where I might find some?
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks in advance
>>>>>
>>>>>Christian
>>>>>
>>>
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From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 17:12:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk]RE:Beocord 9000
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Derrick, I know several people that swear that electronic equipment smells like smoke when it comes from a smoking environment.  I smoke cigars so I never notice but these same people also swear that if effects certain electronics.  I'm not so sure myself.
Bob N

--- On Fri, 4/29/11, Beckner, Derrick <dgb100 at psu.edu> wrote:

From: Beckner, Derrick <dgb100 at psu.edu>
Subject: RE: [naktalk]RE:Beocord 9000
To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Friday, April 29, 2011, 11:58 AM

I browse through Audiogon periodically and am shocked by the number of sellers who require an extra 4% for Pay Pal.  First off, if it is that important just add 4% to the sale price, second, except for huge sales, it’s worth the 4% to not have to deal with taking a check down to the bank and hoping it doesn’t bounce.  I’m also amused by “non-smoking environment” when selling electronics.  Seriously, wood and metal aren’t going to be absorbing smoke smells.  Much rather would see “Actually tested device and found it works”.  From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Fetner
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 10:37 AM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk]RE:Beocord 9000  Ram,
This is a very good point. I learned a number of yrs ago PayPal is our only lifeline, unless on the off chance you are dealing with a honest and attentive seller. Especially when ebay bought PayPal and dropped the war games going on between sellers & buyers. I believe ALL sellers are now required to offer PayPal as a purchasing tool...they can offer other purchasing options as well, but they have to offer PayPal. And they can't ask for more money either because of the use of PayPal....at least not in their ad.

But yeah, read the listings very well and ask as many questions as you want. If they act put-out to answer, move on. I've had some old school sellers stonewall me with bad/misrepresented merchandise and lousy communication ....figuring it was like the old days on ebay and they would win out against my complaints. PayPal made short shrift of that.  The moral of the story in most instances is the seller's perception (and knowledge) of 'condition'. I honestly believe that many of them see a rose, when it's really a thorn and that they don't necessarily set out to deceive. Or...they got taken and set out to do the same. It's kinda hard to swear a deck worked when it has no belt!

Kevin  Message: 2
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 06:28:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Beocord 9000
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
Message-ID: <464449.11449.qm at web112708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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On the other hand despite my BX 300 disaster, I have bought at least 50 plus decks( mostly Naks) out of which I can recall only 15 or so being utterly bad.

That gives ebay seller's a 70% positive in my books. However, I am not as concerned because I only use paypal and I have not lost a penny in any of my transactions. One gets to learn personalities when one gets stuck with the kind of deck I recently got stuck with.

Moral of the story. Read the listings well. Ask questions. Never pay with acheck or money transfer. Use paypal. Thats it. You are covered.

Lets go shopping. This disease is never ending!

Ram.
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From rhils at hotmail.com  Sat Apr 30 02:27:26 2011
From: rhils at hotmail.com (Rick Hils)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 17:27:26 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Buying on Ebay
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I agree. And you must communicate with the seller by asking the right questions. Only then can you feel confident about spending your money.
For what it's worth, I just received a Nak 480 today from an Ebay seller "Dacscommm".
It records and plays great. The cosmetics are 9.5/10. And inside it looks like brand new. The belts are not shiny and don't look dried out. But I'm getting a Marrs belt kit to have on hand.
I wasn't surprised at all to see that the door eject cable plastic mount was securely glued where it previously gave way. That's typical for those units.
The head assembly cam fully rotates with ease. It's a given that to some degree the grease has dried out a bit, but it seems OK. I'll look at it closer with a magnifier.
I still have my other 480 since 1981. I like them. I also used a Sony tcd5m for mucho live recordings (w/Denon HD8 tape) and talk about sounding "live". Yes sir.
Maybe someday I'll have a BX300 or 680ZX or a CR5 or 7, but having two well running 480s is fine for now. 
R
I

Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 14:36:02 -0700
From: columbiafl2000 at yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300
To: naktalk at naks.com




I dont understand what all the fuss is about - the seller didnt offer a warranty... you, compared to other units on eBay, "stole" the unit and now you are unhappy - I mean, c'mon -- you are buying electronics from a seller you dont know and .... buyer beware! - get over yourself - and guess what, electronics do fail - all the time - you dont know if they knew all the problems or not - stop crying.
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From: rhils at hotmail.com (Rick Hils)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 17:39:23 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Buying on Ebay
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References: <924013.77154.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>,
	<48084.47203.qm@web112715.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>,
	<SNT111-W22EF5F2CF6B6C97881DBFCDB9A0@phx.gbl>,
	<BANLkTikNnjDQXZ4uA1ZkbwQKoVypkx1HWQ@mail.gmail.com>,
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I agree. And you must communicate with the seller by asking the right questions. Only then can you feel confident about spending your money.
For what it's worth, I just received a Nak 480 today from an Ebay seller "Dacscommm".
It records and plays great. The cosmetics are 9.5/10. And inside it looks like brand new. The belts are not shiny and don't look dried out. But I'm getting a Marrs belt kit to have on hand.
I wasn't surprised at all to see that the door eject cable plastic mount was securely glued where it previously gave way. That's typical for those units.
The head assembly cam fully rotates with ease. It's a given that to some degree the grease has dried out a bit, but it seems OK. I'll look at it closer with a magnifier.
I still have my other 480 since 1981. I like them. I also used a Sony tcd5m for mucho live recordings (w/Denon HD8 tape) and talk about sounding "live". Yes sir.
Maybe someday I'll have a BX300 or 680ZX or a CR5 or 7, but having two well running 480s is fine for now. 
-R


Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 14:36:02 -0700
From: columbiafl2000 at yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300
To: naktalk at naks.com




I dont understand what all the fuss is about - the seller didnt offer a warranty... you, compared to other units on eBay, "stole" the unit and now you are unhappy - I mean, c'mon -- you are buying electronics from a seller you dont know and .... buyer beware! - get over yourself - and guess what, electronics do fail - all the time - you dont know if they knew all the problems or not - stop crying.
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From rhils at hotmail.com  Sat Apr 30 02:45:21 2011
From: rhils at hotmail.com (Rick Hils)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 17:45:21 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300
In-Reply-To: <256522.46739.qm@web113206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <924013.77154.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>,
	<48084.47203.qm@web112715.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>,
	<SNT111-W22EF5F2CF6B6C97881DBFCDB9A0@phx.gbl>,
	<BANLkTikNnjDQXZ4uA1ZkbwQKoVypkx1HWQ@mail.gmail.com>,
	<256522.46739.qm@web113206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <SNT125-W52197584951C0216A30B23A39D0@phx.gbl>


I agree. And you must communicate with the seller by asking the right 
questions. Only then can you feel confident about spending your money.
For what it's worth, I just received a Nak 480 today from an Ebay seller "Dacscommm".
It
 records and plays great. The cosmetics are 9.5/10. And inside it looks 
like brand new. The belts are not shiny and don't look dried out. But 
I'm getting a Marrs belt kit to have on hand.
I wasn't surprised at 
all to see that the door eject cable plastic mount was securely glued 
where it previously gave way. That's typical for those units.
The 
head assembly cam fully rotates with ease. It's a given that to some 
degree the grease has dried out a bit, but it seems OK. I'll look at it 
closer with a magnifier.
I still have my other 480 since 1981. I like
 them. I also used a Sony tcd5m for mucho live recordings (w/Denon HD8 
tape) and talk about sounding "live". Yes sir.
Maybe someday I'll have a BX300 or 680ZX or a CR5 or 7, but having two well running 480s is fine for now. 
R

Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 14:36:02 -0700
From: columbiafl2000 at yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300
To: naktalk at naks.com




I dont understand what all the fuss is about - the seller didnt offer a warranty... you, compared to other units on eBay, "stole" the unit and now you are unhappy - I mean, c'mon -- you are buying electronics from a seller you dont know and .... buyer beware! - get over yourself - and guess what, electronics do fail - all the time - you dont know if they knew all the problems or not - stop crying.
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From wotbob01 at yahoo.com  Sat Apr 30 03:01:21 2011
From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 18:01:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk]RE:Beocord 9000
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTi=6Mm0-wyKGjemSTfqayiUuEnSd+g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <700582.52954.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Willy, I'm glad that I only smoke my cigars outside!
Bob N

--- On Fri, 4/29/11, Willy Hermann <willy at willyhermannservices.com> wrote:

From: Willy Hermann <willy at willyhermannservices.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk]RE:Beocord 9000
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Friday, April 29, 2011, 4:00 PM

Actually - having worked on audio electronics for 40 years now I can testify that a smoking environment does terrible things to the inside of gear - especially electro-mechanical units like tape decks.  Also, the smell permeates everything inside and never goes away.  I wouldn't have a smokers unit in my system.  Every time it warms up you can smell it.

Willy

On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 10:58 AM, Beckner, Derrick <dgb100 at psu.edu> wrote:

I browse through Audiogon periodically and am shocked by the number of sellers who require an extra 4% for Pay Pal.  First off, if it is that important just add 4% to the sale price, second, except for huge sales, it’s worth the 4% to not have to deal with taking a check down to the bank and hoping it doesn’t bounce.  I’m also amused by “non-smoking environment” when selling electronics.  Seriously, wood and metal aren’t going to be absorbing smoke smells.  Much rather would see “Actually tested device and found it works”.
 From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Fetner

Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 10:37 AM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk]RE:Beocord 9000 
Ram,
This is a very good point. I learned a number of yrs ago PayPal is our only lifeline, unless on the off chance you are dealing with a honest and attentive seller. Especially when ebay bought PayPal and dropped the war games going on between sellers & buyers. I believe ALL sellers are now required to offer PayPal as a purchasing tool...they can offer other purchasing options as well, but they have to offer PayPal. And they can't ask for more money either because of the use of PayPal....at least not in their ad.


But yeah, read the listings very well and ask as many questions as you want. If they act put-out to answer, move on. I've had some old school sellers stonewall me with bad/misrepresented merchandise and lousy communication ....figuring it was like the old days on ebay and they would win out against my complaints. PayPal made short shrift of that.  The moral of the story in most instances is the seller's perception (and knowledge) of 'condition'. I honestly believe that many of them see a rose, when it's really a thorn and that they don't necessarily set out to deceive. Or...they got taken and set out to do the same. It's kinda hard to swear a deck worked when it has no belt!


Kevin 
Message: 2
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 06:28:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com>

Subject: RE: [naktalk] Beocord 9000
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
Message-ID: <464449.11449.qm at web112708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

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On the other hand despite my BX 300 disaster, I have bought at least 50 plus decks( mostly Naks) out of which I can recall only 15 or so being utterly bad.


That gives ebay seller's a 70% positive in my books. However, I am not as concerned because I only use paypal and I have not lost a penny in any of my transactions. One gets to learn personalities when one gets stuck with the kind of deck I recently got stuck with.


Moral of the story. Read the listings well. Ask questions. Never pay with acheck or money transfer. Use paypal. Thats it. You are covered.

Lets go shopping. This disease is never ending!

Ram.

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From columbiafl2000 at yahoo.com  Sat Apr 30 03:26:28 2011
From: columbiafl2000 at yahoo.com (Rick >'})
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 18:26:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300
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You're receiving a refund from eBay yet you are broadcasting your 
dissatisfaction on the message board - sounds like crying to me - and buyers are 
always right on eBay? - I think not - been active on eBay for 15+ years (active 
buyer and seller - small items to very high dollar) - buyers are not always 
right - they can be deceptive also ...
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From: Ram <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Fri, April 29, 2011 8:05:51 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300


Hi Rick,

Please chill. No one here is complaining or crying!  I am getting my money back 
and the other members here are just horrified by what I showed in a photo I 
received.

If that seller had a little honesty he would not have sent the deck with all the 
cobwebs and dog hair and what not in the well.....and not claimed that it plays 
but at times rew and play stop. This deck was never played on in am eon. No 
cassette could have played in it....they way I got it.

That's why I like eBay. Buyers are almost always right. 

Rick, if you are going to justify the seller, I do not  know what to say here!

Ram.




On Apr 29, 2011, at 5:36 PM, "Rick >'}" <columbiafl2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:


I dont understand what all the fuss is about - the seller didnt offer a 
warranty... you, compared to other units on eBay, "stole" the unit and now you 
are unhappy - I mean, c'mon -- you are buying electronics from a seller you dont 
know and .... buyer beware! - get over yourself - and guess what, electronics do 
fail - all the time - you dont know if they knew all the problems or not - stop 
crying.
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From rpierce000 at centurytel.net  Sat Apr 30 03:46:17 2011
From: rpierce000 at centurytel.net (Bob Pierce)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 18:46:17 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300
In-Reply-To: <9A498AFC-0169-4D68-8679-D60CE65DCB4F@yahoo.com>
References: <924013.77154.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>	<48084.47203.qm@web112715.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>	<SNT111-W22EF5F2CF6B6C97881DBFCDB9A0@phx.gbl>	<BANLkTikNnjDQXZ4uA1ZkbwQKoVypkx1HWQ@mail.gmail.com>	<256522.46739.qm@web113206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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Just so everyone knows, from an eBay sellers perspective, that IF you have a complaint you can demand a FULL refund AND the shipping to you FULLY refunded and eBAY will MAKE the seller do it.  ALWAYS use PayPal. Regardless of the return policy, if the seller takes PayPal, they take returns. PayPal enforces it.

 

If you have a product that has actually been MISREPRESENTED, as appears to have happened below, you can also demand the cost to ship the item back to the seller. You will usually get it. I have also seen requests granted for hazardous disposal fees if the seller does not want it back.

 

These are eBay enforced rules for sellers. No seller can last on eBay if they break them, eBay will kick them out. eBay will also take YOUR money out of their PayPal account to pay you and even out of their bank account. Sellers learn FAST not to mess with eBay, they always lose, eBay backs buyers 99% of the time.

 

Having said this, you still have to be careful. If you miss something in the listing it is on your own head at that point, although changing your mind is still considered a reasonable return reason to eBay. You will get your item cost and shipping to you refunded. The one thing you may lose are any restocking fees, if eBay feels they are reasonable.

 

Do not, EVER, try to fix the item. This is instant grounds for refusal of the claim. If it is not what you want, ship it back!  If you clean it, tension something, adjust a pot, whatever, you own it. 

 

Sellers will deny all of the above. If they do, tell them they have one more chance to do as you wish and then you will file a formal dispute. This will get them to move, too many disputes and ….

 

I hope this helps someone, somewhere down the line.

 

And if you ever need N scale model trains  http://stores.ebay.com/bt-trains (OK, it is commercial but I figured in this case it establishes my credentials)

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ram
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 5:06 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300

 

Hi Rick,

 

Please chill. No one here is complaining or crying!  I am getting my money back and the other members here are just horrified by what I showed in a photo I received.

 

If that seller had a little honesty he would not have sent the deck with all the cobwebs and dog hair and what not in the well.....and not claimed that it plays but at times rew and play stop. This deck was never played on in am eon. No cassette could have played in it....they way I got it.

 

That's why I like eBay. Buyers are almost always right. 

 

Rick, if you are going to justify the seller, I do not  know what to say here!

 

Ram.




On Apr 29, 2011, at 5:36 PM, "Rick >'}" <columbiafl2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:

I dont understand what all the fuss is about - the seller didnt offer a warranty... you, compared to other units on eBay, "stole" the unit and now you are unhappy - I mean, c'mon -- you are buying electronics from a seller you dont know and .... buyer beware! - get over yourself - and guess what, electronics do fail - all the time - you dont know if they knew all the problems or not - stop crying.

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From daddyo at metrowebstudios.com  Sat Apr 30 05:57:09 2011
From: daddyo at metrowebstudios.com (daddyo)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 21:57:09 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Re:  Repair service in Chicago?
Message-ID: <4DBB8895.9000105@metrowebstudios.com>

Thanks to everyone who responded! I will certainly follow up!

Ron




On 27 April 2011 06:43, jesse ruff<jeruff at yahoo.com>  wrote:



> >     Hello,
> >  I live in Chicago and would recommend a couple places.  Let me
> >  rephrase--recommend might be a little strong!  l I know they can fix it!
> >  20th Century will definitely fix your Nak--Mitch has been there for like 40
> >  plus years, and his shop is awesome--tons of cool vintage electronics, and
> >  he's actually the one to put me on to Nakamichi--he's a bit crabby to say
> >  the least though.  Deltronics is also reliable, but expect to shell out some
> >  cash.  I've heard of other spots, but haven't taken stuff to them; maybe
> >  Decibel on Milwaukee, but maybe not--their tech may not have the
> >  experience/parts.
> >  Jesse
> >
> >  --- On *Tue, 4/26/11, Willy Hermann<willy at willyhermannservices.com>*wrote:
> >
> >
> >  From: Willy Hermann<willy at willyhermannservices.com>
> >  Subject: Re: [naktalk] Repair service in Chicago?
> >  To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks"<naktalk at naks.com>
> >  Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 11:41 AM
> >
> >  Sorry Ron - I don't know of anyone in your area.
> >
> >  Willy
> >
> >  On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 4:01 PM, daddyo<daddyo at metrowebstudios.com<http://mc/compose?to=daddyo at metrowebstudios.com>
>> >  >  wrote:
> >
> >  Hi,
> >
> >  I have a Nakamichi CR-1A cassette deck that all of a sudden won't play.
> >  Anyone know of a repair service in the Chicago area?
> >
> >
> >  Thanks
> >
> >  Ron


From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com  Sat Apr 30 12:10:09 2011
From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 03:10:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Beocord 9000
In-Reply-To: <640727.1334.qm@web113203.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <988576.68395.qm@web112720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Just for the record now. Please know and be advised that anything you buy on ebay using paypal is returnable if not as described. Period. 

Document with photos and thats it. Open a case and if seller refuses  return and full refund escalate to a claim. Ebay even pays to ship item back.

Sour or sweet grapes does not matter on ebay. Buyers are KINGS!

Ram.

--- On Fri, 4/29/11, Rick >'} <columbiafl2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Rick >'} <columbiafl2000 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Friday, April 29, 2011, 7:35 PM


Clearly states no returns - buyer beware - sounds to me like sour grapes
 
From: Bob Naylor <wotbob01 at yahoo.com>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Fri, April 29, 2011 5:15:27 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000






WOW what a description!  Make you wonder how he got 100+ positive feedbacks?????
Bob N

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From: shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Friday, April 29, 2011, 6:33 AM






Ite number is 260767028432

Seller is  devdude and he has a 100% rating!...which will drop when the money is refunded by ebay on receipt of deck back.

Ram.



--- On Thu, 4/28/11, Bob Naylor <wotbob01 at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Bob Naylor <wotbob01 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Thursday, April 28, 2011, 5:26 PM






Ram, Amazing!  Do you have an E-Bay # for that item?

Bob N

--- On Tue, 4/26/11, shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 6:32 PM







Well, 


I am attaching a photo of a deck(BX300) I received yesterday from a seller on ebay, who claimed the deck worked fine when he sold it. I could not even bring myself to insert a cassette tape  in this deck's well.


Once powered up, the transformer overheated and the deck just went blip....off! The capstans did rotate though until all went quiet.( about three minutes n all)


Ebay is refunding the money( its back to the seller already) and the seller will get a nice negative for sure.


I hope the seller is not a naktalk member! :)


Ram.






--- On Tue, 4/26/11, hhtltd at juno.com <hhtltd at juno.com> wrote:


From: hhtltd at juno.com <hhtltd at juno.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000
To: naktalk at naks.com
Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 10:45 AM



Christine:
 
    You should give the seller a negative rating and file complaint with EBAY. The Beogram 9000 like most (not all) other
tape units WILL NOTG operate with no belts. Misrepresenting the operational integrity of any equipment is considered
in many cases as fraudulent sale. In short, it couldn't have worked no matter what he said. 
 
    Get belts from Vintage electronics or Marr communications.
 
Good Luck!
 
NCM
 
On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 12:55:14 +0100 Christian Thomas <ct.waveform at googlemail.com> writes:


I recently aquired a Beo 9000 which they say competes soundwise with Nak decks.  I'd like to find out if this is true (and will happily share tyhe results when I do) but at the moment it has no belts.  (That's how it came, though the seller on eBay swore it was working when it left his hands!).  I was wondering if anyone knows where I might find some?
 
Thanks in advance
 
Christian
 

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From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com  Sat Apr 30 15:46:57 2011
From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 06:46:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300
In-Reply-To: <378799.53005.qm@web113212.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <169451.46368.qm@web112702.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

No more comments on this Rick. I am done. think what you want!

Ram.

--- On Fri, 4/29/11, Rick >'} <columbiafl2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Rick >'} <columbiafl2000 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Friday, April 29, 2011, 9:26 PM


You're receiving a refund from eBay yet you are broadcasting your dissatisfaction on the message board - sounds like crying to me - and buyers are always right on eBay? - I think not - been active on eBay for 15+ years (active buyer and seller - small items to very high dollar) - buyers are not always right - they can be deceptive also ...
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From: Ram <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Fri, April 29, 2011 8:05:51 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300


Hi Rick,


Please chill. No one here is complaining or crying!  I am getting my money back and the other members here are just horrified by what I showed in a photo I received.


If that seller had a little honesty he would not have sent the deck with all the cobwebs and dog hair and what not in the well.....and not claimed that it plays but at times rew and play stop. This deck was never played on in am eon. No cassette could have played in it....they way I got it.


That's why I like eBay. Buyers are almost always right. 


Rick, if you are going to justify the seller, I do not  know what to say here!


Ram.




On Apr 29, 2011, at 5:36 PM, "Rick >'}" <columbiafl2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:







I dont understand what all the fuss is about - the seller didnt offer a warranty... you, compared to other units on eBay, "stole" the unit and now you are unhappy - I mean, c'mon -- you are buying electronics from a seller you dont know and .... buyer beware! - get over yourself - and guess what, electronics do fail - all the time - you dont know if they knew all the problems or not - stop crying.

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From ronami at yahoo.com  Sat Apr 30 16:42:56 2011
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 07:42:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code!
In-Reply-To: <004101cc051d$2d0f0010$872d0030$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net>
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No, Norman, it completely died. 

BTW, you get even 'better' reset by removing the battery for 
30 seconds or so.

-- Ron





________________________________
From: Norman van Wijnen <n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wed, April 27, 2011 4:53:35 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code!


Hi Ron,
 
I use the TSU 7000 pronto and that remote has a small reset button near the 
battery.
It helps me several times when the battery get older. It sometimes stops 
complete. After a reset the remote is still alive. Maybe the RC-5000i has some 
reset button?
Every time i use the reset button i have to think about the slogan from Philips 
here in the Netherlands: “Let’s make things better”. I wonder when….
 
Regards Norman
 
Van:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens Ron
Verzonden: woensdag 27 april 2011 16:34
Aan: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Onderwerp: Re: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code!
 

The RC-5000i simply died. It was working one day and the next 
time I tried to use it, it was dead. Battery was still charged, but 
there was no response. I'll either bury it, or offer it for parts on 
the ePlace.

The TSU7500 is an NG (New Generation) remote, based on 
pcf (rather than ccf) files. I understand the Philips S/W can take 
ccf files and generate pcf equivalents. The TSU7500 also adds 
another complication, due to the color screen. 

I now have to re-program all my components on the TSU7500 
-- a job I am not looking forward to. I plan to do it any month 
now  :-).   Meanwhile, I (again) have a plethora of remotes 
cluttering up my coffee table  :-(.

Thanks again for the file,

-- Ron
 

________________________________

From:winnie pooh <winniepoohlove at hotmail.com>
To: naktalk <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tue, April 26, 2011 8:56:28 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code!


No problems, Ron. Least I can do after all the help you provided last time. I've 
attached it to this post. Just curious, what happened to the RC-5000i? Are the 
.ccf files compatible with the newer remotes like TSU7750?




________________________________

Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 06:23:03 -0700
From: ronami at yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code!
To: naktalk at naks.com

That'll be great. It will save me the trouble of re-creating the CR-7 
CCF from scratch  My RC-5000i dies a horrible death, taking with 
it all stored data. I just got a TSU7750 (color screen) on ebay and 
am planning to repeat the chore of  'doing' the remote all over again 
:-(.

-- Ron
 

________________________________

From:winnie pooh <winniepoohlove at hotmail.com>
To: naktalk <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Mon, April 25, 2011 8:43:38 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code!


Hello Ron,

I am one of those that you sent the CR-7 Marantz RC-5000i file to. If you want 
to get a copy to replace your lost one I can attach it for all to share.

Thanks.



________________________________

Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 06:48:42 -0700
From: ronami at yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code!
To: naktalk at naks.com

A long time ago I copied all remote codes from my CR-7 into a Marantz 
RC-5000i (same as Philips Pronto TSU1000). I subsequently sent the file 
to a couple of members here. Since then, I've lost both the file and the 
names of these members, but if any of them are reading this, they may be 
able to help?

-- Ron
 

________________________________

From:shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com>
To: naktalk at naks.com
Sent: Sat, April 23, 2011 3:04:04 PM
Subject: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code!
Hi,

As all of you know, the Cr 7 is operable with its factory supplied infra red 
remote. I was wondering what was the code for that remote transmitter if I had 
to program a universal remote 

to work with it.

I have not been able to program a SONY with its supplied Nakamichi code.

If any one knows could you please share that info?

Thanks
Ram. 

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From ronami at yahoo.com  Sat Apr 30 20:22:46 2011
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 11:22:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Donation: BX-100
In-Reply-To: <4b2f275d1ad2d4ec24490f89ada94305.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>
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I would have taken it, but I understood the owner wanted the deck to 
end up with someone that would actually keep and use it. Personally, 
I enjoy playing with such decks -- I repair and service, but eventually 
sell them (often, for self cost of the deck, shipping and parts).

If the owner is willing to donate on this understanding, I'll be happy 
to get it for the shipping. 

-- Ron




________________________________
From: Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
To: naktalk at naks.com
Sent: Thu, April 28, 2011 2:41:24 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Donation: BX-100

The onwer asked again if anyone is interested, otherwise he will 'trash it'..

Wouter

>
> We have a BX-100 donation in Pasadena TX 77505.
> The owner let a message:
>
> "I have a silver BX-100 in perfect condition. I replaced the pinch
> rollers about a year ago to sell it but never got around to doing that. I
> just want it to end up with someone who will appreciate it. I have the
> original box and manual also. Box is not in good condition"
>
> If you are interested let me know off-list.
>
> Wouter
>
>


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From ronami at yahoo.com  Sat Apr 30 20:37:25 2011
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 11:37:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: R: R: [naktalk] How to remove the complete reel motor
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Maurizio,

Removing the reel motor is not very difficult. However, 
there are three tricky steps in the description below (7, 
8 and 10) that are a bit tricky, so be careful.

In the list of steps below, 'top' or 'right' refer to the deck 
normal orientation, as seen from the front. Also, numbers 
following part names refer to the designation numbers from
Fig. 6.5, page 18 of the CR-7 service manual.

I'll appreciate any comments/corrections/observations  you 
may wish to make.

So, here's how I do it: 

1. Remove top cover. How: remove two screws, 2 on each 
    side.

2. Remove cassette well door.

3. Remove front part of the cassette case (24). How: remove 
    2 black countersunk head screws on the left. Hold the left 
    side and pull forward and to the left to disengage. Note 
    location of the spring on the left plastic bracket and make 
    sure it's correctly positioned prior to reassembly 

4. Remove the cassette back plate. How: remove 2 black screws 
    from the top of the plate. The plate fits into slots in the 
    cassette guides at the bottom of the well. Pull the top of the 
    plate forward and up to disengage.

5. Remove the left hub. How: press down on the hub. This 
    exposes a 3.2mm plastic washer -- pull it off, then remove 
    the hub, a metal washer, a plastic spring holder and a 
    spring, in this order. 

6. In a similar fashion, remove the right hub.

7. The reel motor plate is held by 2 screws and a nut, all 
    accessible from the rear. For now, remove the upper left 
    screw and loosen (do not remove) the 4mm nut. You 
    may use a 5/32" nut driver.The plate and motor will 
    remain in place.

8. Mark the positive terminal of the reel motor with a dab 
    of red paint, if not already so marked. Unsolder the 
    motor leads. 

9. Dismount the capstan motor. It is held in place by 4 screws, 
    all accessible from the front. How: put a piece of plastic 
    sleeving on each capstan, for protection. Manually lift the 
    head block as far as it will go and use a strong rubber band 
    hooked to the post at the top to keep it in place. Top left 
    screw is located under the left hub hole, a bit to the left. 
    Top right screw is located about 1/2" above the right cassette 
    guide. Lower right screw is located under the right pinch roller. 
    Lower left screw is located under and to the left of the left 
    pinch roller. Its head will be hidden under a segment of an 
    L bracket (16). To expose the head (partially), push the L 
    bracket segment down. Use a thin Philips #1 screwdriver. 
    Once the capstan motor standoff is free, release the L bracket. 
    This will keep the screw captive, so it will not fall out. 

10. Remove the reel motor plate with the reel motor attached. 
      How: Move the capstan motor back so as to permit access 
      to the lower screw holding the reel motor plate in place. Use 
      a right angle Philips #1 screwdriver. Loosen the screw (do 
      not remove).

11. Replace reel motor. 

12. Reassemble in reverse order. 

Good luck,

-- Ron




________________________________
From: Ziomaury <ziomaury at teletu.it>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thu, April 28, 2011 8:49:25 AM
Subject: R: R: [naktalk] How to remove the complete reel motor


Hallo Ron.
I’ve found a technical lab that repair hi-fi equipments.
They’re able to remove the reel motor and replace the arm but, if it’s not too 
much trouble for you, the best is that you send me the instruction about this.
I’m sorry to bother you.
Thanks and regards,
Maurizio
 
Da:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Per conto di Ron
Inviato: giovedì 21 aprile 2011 16:38
A: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Oggetto: Re: R: [naktalk] How to remove the complete reel motor
 
> ... another way to replace the arm of idler tire without remove the reel 
motor?

Not that I know of. There isn't enough room to work on the motor 
when it's installed in the deck. 

BTW, your English is fine.

-- Ron
 

________________________________

From:Ziomaury <ziomaury at teletu.it>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thu, April 21, 2011 3:40:04 AM
Subject: R: [naktalk] How to remove the complete reel motor
Hallo Ron,
Thanks for your explanation.
I’m agree with you about that remove the reel motor is very difficult.
There’s another way to replace the arm of idler tire without remove the reel 
motor?
Thanks and regards,
 
Maurizio
P.S. Sorry for my English (very basic!)
 
 
Da:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Per conto di Ron
Inviato: mercoledì 20 aprile 2011 22:25
A: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Oggetto: Re: [naktalk] How to remove the complete reel motor
 
Maurizio,

Removing the reel motor is a comparatively big job. Some people prefer 
to remove the transport form the deck. Personally, I prefer to do it in the 
deck. In any case, it's an elaborate job. If you've never done it, it's not a 
good idea to learn on your own CR07   :-). I highly recommend you have 
it done by a professional. 

If you insist on doing it yourself anyway, please let me now and I'll post 
instructions.

Good luck,

-- Ron





From: Ziomaury <ziomaury at teletu.it>
To:naktalk at naks.com
Sent: Wed, April 20, 2011 10:24:18 AM
Subject: [naktalk] How to remove the complete reel motor
 
Hallo.
I’ve tried to replace the idle tire on a CR7-E but unfortunately I’ve break the 
plastic idle arm.
To replace the arm I think that the best is remove the complete reel motor.
I don’t understand how I must do it.
Can somebody help me about this?
Many thanks.
Maurizio
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From vyju at airtelmail.in  Sat Apr 30 13:32:53 2011
From: vyju at airtelmail.in (Vyju)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 17:02:53 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] 582  function control bulbs
Message-ID: <4331201AA4A9417C9F0B1B9993312D48@home>

Hi,

I picked up a Nakamichi 582 deck recently.I have serviced the deck and replaced all the belts with replacements from Marrs Communications .

The deck works fine but all the small bulbs on the control buttons(play,FF,Rew etc ) have failed.Only the green light on the stop button works.

I would like to replace the bulbs,can someone tell me a source for these bulbs?

Regards
Rajiv 
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From mail at guyfacey.com  Sat Apr 30 14:10:45 2011
From: mail at guyfacey.com (Guy Facey)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 20:10:45 +0800
Subject: [naktalk] Repair service in Chicago?
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Wow, amazing
I upgraded my wife's old B&W DM5s 2 years ago (she'd had them since about
1980 - we've been together since 1982 - and the rubber surrounding the cone
had gone) for some new B&Ws, in fact we pushed the boat out and bought
surround sound all in B&W (meant I couldn't afford the front pair I wanted,
but hey).
So that's a really nice surprise, means I'll have to visit B&W this summer,
just looked at the web site and it's v encouraging.
Thanks
Guy

On 29 April 2011 18:16, Luis Peromarta Regert <luis at peromarta.org> wrote:

> B&W are your friends. They read this list so probably will conatct you off
> list.
>
> http://www.bowersandwilkins.co.uk/nakamichi%20home.html
>
> Best rgds, LP.
>
>
>
> El 29/04/2011, a las 05:31, Guy Facey escribió:
>
> > I live in Hong Kong but travel each year to England. Nobody seems to know
> anyone in HK but does anyone know a Nak technician in England?
> > thanks
> > Guy
>
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From vyju at airtelmail.in  Sat Apr 30 16:00:05 2011
From: vyju at airtelmail.in (Vyju)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 19:30:05 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 582 bulbs
References: <924013.77154.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com><48084.47203.qm@web112715.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><SNT111-W22EF5F2CF6B6C97881DBFCDB9A0@phx.gbl><BANLkTikNnjDQXZ4uA1ZkbwQKoVypkx1HWQ@mail.gmail.com><256522.46739.qm@web113206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><9A498AFC-0169-4D68-8679-D60CE65DCB4F@yahoo.com>
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Hi,

I picked up a Nakamichi 582 deck recently.I have serviced the deck and replaced all the belts with replacements from Marrs Communications .

The deck works fine but all the small bulbs on the control buttons(play,FF,Rew etc ) have failed.Only the green light on the stop button works.

I would like to replace the bulbs,can someone tell me a source for these bulbs?

Regards
Rajiv 
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From ct.waveform at googlemail.com  Sat Apr 30 15:24:13 2011
From: ct.waveform at googlemail.com (Christian Thomas)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 14:24:13 +0100
Subject: [naktalk]RE:Beocord 9000
In-Reply-To: <494158.54653.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <D7D10CE89BCFA94383E3236123AAAFD4012EDE2377D8@DDAS44.ddar.psu.edu>
	<494158.54653.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Yes it does affect electronics.  It improves them - all that tar and dust
damp the microphonic effects <g>

CT

On 30 April 2011 01:12, Bob Naylor <wotbob01 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Derrick, I know several people that swear that electronic equipment smells
> like smoke when it comes from a smoking environment.  I smoke cigars so I
> never notice but these same people also swear that if effects certain
> electronics.  I'm not so sure myself.
> Bob N
>
> --- On *Fri, 4/29/11, Beckner, Derrick <dgb100 at psu.edu>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Beckner, Derrick <dgb100 at psu.edu>
> Subject: RE: [naktalk]RE:Beocord 9000
>
> To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Date: Friday, April 29, 2011, 11:58 AM
>
>
> I browse through Audiogon periodically and am shocked by the number of
> sellers who require an extra 4% for Pay Pal.  First off, if it is that
> important just add 4% to the sale price, second, except for huge sales, it’s
> worth the 4% to not have to deal with taking a check down to the bank and
> hoping it doesn’t bounce.  I’m also amused by “non-smoking environment”
> when selling electronics.  Seriously, wood and metal aren’t going to be
> absorbing smoke smells.  Much rather would see “Actually tested device and
> found it works”.
>
>
>
> *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Kevin Fetner
> *Sent:* Friday, April 29, 2011 10:37 AM
> *To:* naktalk at naks.com
> *Subject:* [naktalk]RE:Beocord 9000
>
>
>
> Ram,
> This is a very good point. I learned a number of yrs ago PayPal is our only
> lifeline, unless on the off chance you are dealing with a honest and
> attentive seller. Especially when ebay bought PayPal and dropped the war
> games going on between sellers & buyers. I believe ALL sellers are now
> required to offer PayPal as a purchasing tool...they can offer other
> purchasing options as well, but they have to offer PayPal. And they can't
> ask for more money either because of the use of PayPal....at least not in
> their ad.
>
> But yeah, read the listings very well and ask as many questions as you
> want. If they act put-out to answer, move on. I've had some old school
> sellers stonewall me with bad/misrepresented merchandise and lousy
> communication ....figuring it was like the old days on ebay and they would
> win out against my complaints. PayPal made short shrift of that.  The moral
> of the story in most instances is the seller's perception (and knowledge) of
> 'condition'. I honestly believe that many of them see a rose, when it's
> really a thorn and that they don't necessarily set out to deceive. Or...they
> got taken and set out to do the same. It's kinda hard to swear a deck worked
> when it has no belt!
>
> Kevin
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 06:28:58 -0700 (PDT)
> From: shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com<http://mc/compose?to=shantiram2000 at yahoo.com>
> >
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Beocord 9000
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com<http://mc/compose?to=naktalk at naks.com>
> >
> Message-ID: <464449.11449.qm at web112708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com<http://mc/compose?to=464449.11449.qm at web112708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
> >
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> On the other hand despite my BX 300 disaster, I have bought at least 50
> plus decks( mostly Naks) out of which I can recall only 15 or so being
> utterly bad.
>
> That gives ebay seller's a 70% positive in my books. However, I am not as
> concerned because I only use paypal and I have not lost a penny in any of my
> transactions. One gets to learn personalities when one gets stuck with the
> kind of deck I recently got stuck with.
>
> Moral of the story. Read the listings well. Ask questions. Never pay with
> acheck or money transfer. Use paypal. Thats it. You are covered.
>
> Lets go shopping. This disease is never ending!
>
> Ram.
>
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From ct.waveform at googlemail.com  Sat Apr 30 15:27:18 2011
From: ct.waveform at googlemail.com (Christian Thomas)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 14:27:18 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300
In-Reply-To: <378799.53005.qm@web113212.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <924013.77154.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<48084.47203.qm@web112715.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<SNT111-W22EF5F2CF6B6C97881DBFCDB9A0@phx.gbl>
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I'd be quite cautious before leaving negative feedback, they can do the same
to you, you know?  I tend to reserve -ve feedback (which in all other
instances is a good thing ;) for when others obviously need warning.


Christian

On 30 April 2011 02:26, Rick >'} <columbiafl2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> You're receiving a refund from eBay yet you are broadcasting your
> dissatisfaction on the message board - sounds like crying to me - and buyers
> are always right on eBay? - I think not - been active on eBay for 15+ years
> (active buyer and seller - small items to very high dollar) - buyers are not
> always right - they can be deceptive also ...
>
> ___________________________________________________________________
>
>
> If you want to improve, be content to be thought foolish and stupid
>
>
> Epictetus
>
>
> ---------
>
>
> Bad politicians are sent to Washington by good people who don't vote
>
>
> William E. Simon
>
>
>  ------------------------------
> *From:* Ram <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com>
>
> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> *Sent:* Fri, April 29, 2011 8:05:51 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300
>
> Hi Rick,
>
> Please chill. No one here is complaining or crying!  I am getting my money
> back and the other members here are just horrified by what I showed in a
> photo I received.
>
> If that seller had a little honesty he would not have sent the deck with
> all the cobwebs and dog hair and what not in the well.....and not claimed
> that it plays but at times rew and play stop. This deck was never played on
> in am eon. No cassette could have played in it....they way I got it.
>
> That's why I like eBay. Buyers are almost always right.
>
> Rick, if you are going to justify the seller, I do not  know what to say
> here!
>
> Ram.
>
>
>
> On Apr 29, 2011, at 5:36 PM, "Rick >'}" <columbiafl2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>    I dont understand what all the fuss is about - the seller didnt offer a
> warranty... you, compared to other units on eBay, "stole" the unit and now
> you are unhappy - I mean, c'mon -- you are buying electronics from a seller
> you dont know and .... buyer beware! - get over yourself - and guess what,
> electronics do fail - all the time - you dont know if they knew all the
> problems or not - stop crying.
>
>
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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From fergus.cullen at gmail.com  Sat Apr 30 15:30:29 2011
From: fergus.cullen at gmail.com (Fergus Cullen)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 14:30:29 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300
In-Reply-To: <378799.53005.qm@web113212.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <924013.77154.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<48084.47203.qm@web112715.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<SNT111-W22EF5F2CF6B6C97881DBFCDB9A0@phx.gbl>
	<BANLkTikNnjDQXZ4uA1ZkbwQKoVypkx1HWQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<256522.46739.qm@web113206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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I was ripped off by a buyer just before Christmas. It was considerable
amount of money too and I wasn't even allowed the chance to prove my
innocence. Unfortunately Ebay always sides with the buyer. At the same
time I think if a seller says an item is 'in working order' it should
work when it is received by the buyer.



On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 2:26 AM, Rick >'} <columbiafl2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> You're receiving a refund from eBay yet you are broadcasting your
> dissatisfaction on the message board - sounds like crying to me - and buyers
> are always right on eBay? - I think not - been active on eBay for 15+ years
> (active buyer and seller - small items to very high dollar) - buyers are not
> always right - they can be deceptive also ...
>
> ___________________________________________________________________
>
> If you want to improve, be content to be thought foolish and stupid
>
> Epictetus
>
> ---------
>
> Bad politicians are sent to Washington by good people who don't vote
>
> William E. Simon
>
> ________________________________
> From: Ram <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com>
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Fri, April 29, 2011 8:05:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300
>
> Hi Rick,
> Please chill. No one here is complaining or crying!  I am getting my money
> back and the other members here are just horrified by what I showed in a
> photo I received.
> If that seller had a little honesty he would not have sent the deck with all
> the cobwebs and dog hair and what not in the well.....and not claimed that
> it plays but at times rew and play stop. This deck was never played on in am
> eon. No cassette could have played in it....they way I got it.
> That's why I like eBay. Buyers are almost always right.
> Rick, if you are going to justify the seller, I do not  know what to say
> here!
> Ram.
>
>
>
> On Apr 29, 2011, at 5:36 PM, "Rick >'}" <columbiafl2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I dont understand what all the fuss is about - the seller didnt offer a
> warranty... you, compared to other units on eBay, "stole" the unit and now
> you are unhappy - I mean, c'mon -- you are buying electronics from a seller
> you dont know and .... buyer beware! - get over yourself - and guess what,
> electronics do fail - all the time - you dont know if they knew all the
> problems or not - stop crying.
>
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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From wotbob01 at yahoo.com  Sat Apr 30 18:55:19 2011
From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 09:55:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300
In-Reply-To: <9A498AFC-0169-4D68-8679-D60CE65DCB4F@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <154224.77118.qm@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Rick, Just my opinion, the item was misrepresented.  Simple as that.  If it was a good working machine then you're right by saying that it was a steal however it is an auction and Ram had virtually no control over the selling price.  Again, just my opinion.
Bob N

--- On Fri, 4/29/11, Ram <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Ram <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Friday, April 29, 2011, 5:05 PM

Hi Rick,
Please chill. No one here is complaining or crying!  I am getting my money back and the other members here are just horrified by what I showed in a photo I received.
If that seller had a little honesty he would not have sent the deck with all the cobwebs and dog hair and what not in the well.....and not claimed that it plays but at times rew and play stop. This deck was never played on in am eon. No cassette could have played in it....they way I got it.
That's why I like eBay. Buyers are almost always right. 
Rick, if you are going to justify the seller, I do not  know what to say here!
Ram.



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I dont understand what all the fuss is about - the seller didnt offer a warranty... you, compared to other units on eBay, "stole" the unit and now you are unhappy - I mean, c'mon -- you are buying electronics from a seller you dont know and .... buyer beware! - get over yourself - and guess what, electronics do fail - all the time - you dont know if they knew all the problems or not - stop crying.========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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From shoeihell at yahoo.com  Sat Apr 30 19:14:40 2011
From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 10:14:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk]RE:Beocord 9000
Message-ID: <813302.42320.qm@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Willy is correct. I'm not a tech by any means, but I do tinker and I observe 
quite well. Some of you know of Lee Hazen. Well, I was referred to him a number 
of yrs ago about a lot of Aiwa decks he had bought from a cassette bootlegger. I 
had the choice of buying a deck that Lee cleaned himself, or buying one 'as is' 
with the full instructions on how to remove the necessary parts to clean the 
deck. The bootlegger was a smoker and so was Lee. The instructions were great 
and as the deck had optical sensors, they were dirty from the cigarette smoke 
and cleaning restored the tape transport functions. As it turned out though, 
there was a lot more wrong with the deck than cigarette smoke, but that's 
another story.;-)

Kevin

__________________________________________________________________________________________________________


Message: 17
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 15:00:53 -0800
From: Willy Hermann <willy at willyhermannservices.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk]RE:Beocord 9000
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTi=6Mm0-wyKGjemSTfqayiUuEnSd+g at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type:  text/plain; charset="windows-1252"

Actually - having worked on audio electronics for 40 years now I can testify
that a smoking environment does terrible things to the inside of gear -
especially electro-mechanical units like tape decks.  Also, the smell
permeates everything inside and never goes away.  I wouldn't have a smokers
unit in my system.  Every time it warms up you can smell it.

Willy
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From willy at willyhermannservices.com  Sat Apr 30 23:00:49 2011
From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 13:00:49 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Repair service in Chicago?
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Don't confuse the two companies - it's easy to do.  B&W loudspeakers is a
manufacturing concern.  They have factories in Worthing England and in China
as well as a research facility in Steyning England.  They don't fix
Nakamichis.  John Bowers and Roy Wilkins started a hifi shop in the late
50's in Worthing.  John got interested in speakers and began making his own.
 This eventually became his passion and he left the retail business.  It's
that retail business which is now repairing Nakamichi.  John Bowers ran B&W
(any ran it very well) for many years.  He died in the early 90's and Joe
Atkins bought the company.  Joe also owns Classe Audio and Rotel.  For years
the speakers were only called B&W and the shop was only called Bowers and
Wilkins.  The two web sites now are bowersandwilkins.co.uk and
bowers-wilkins.com or bwspeakers.com .

Willy

On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 4:10 AM, Guy Facey <mail at guyfacey.com> wrote:

> Wow, amazing
> I upgraded my wife's old B&W DM5s 2 years ago (she'd had them since about
> 1980 - we've been together since 1982 - and the rubber surrounding the cone
> had gone) for some new B&Ws, in fact we pushed the boat out and bought
> surround sound all in B&W (meant I couldn't afford the front pair I wanted,
> but hey).
> So that's a really nice surprise, means I'll have to visit B&W this summer,
> just looked at the web site and it's v encouraging.
> Thanks
> Guy
>
> On 29 April 2011 18:16, Luis Peromarta Regert <luis at peromarta.org> wrote:
>
>> B&W are your friends. They read this list so probably will conatct you off
>> list.
>>
>> http://www.bowersandwilkins.co.uk/nakamichi%20home.html
>>
>> Best rgds, LP.
>>
>>
>>
>> El 29/04/2011, a las 05:31, Guy Facey escribió:
>>
>> > I live in Hong Kong but travel each year to England. Nobody seems to
>> know anyone in HK but does anyone know a Nak technician in England?
>> > thanks
>> > Guy
>>
>>
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From JohnGipps at iPrimus.com.au  Mon Aug  1 16:03:25 2011
From: JohnGipps at iPrimus.com.au (John Gipps)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 00:03:25 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] 480 Won't Play (Mark Exstedt)
Message-ID: <000f01cc5053$c84d0460$58e70d20$@iPrimus.com.au>

Hi Mark

In a 480, the reel motor is driven in REW by Q402, in FF by Q413, and in
Play by Q414. Q414 and its associated circuitry act as a current source and
provide considerably less drive to the reel motor in Play, than it receives
in FF. If FF and REW are ok, then the reel motor itself is obviously ok, and
the problem is likely to be Q414. Q414 is a PNP transistor type 2SB564.
Since the capstans are rotating when Play is requested, then a good part of
the logic (which is discrete) for Play is also working. So the first parts
to check are Q414, Q415, R437 (27 Ohm), and D414.

Regards

John Gipps


  

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Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 08:10:46 -0600
From: Mark Exstedt <mark8559 at hotmail.com>
Subject: [naktalk] 480 Won't Play
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FF and Rewind is fine.Upon play, the transport goes up, but the drive motor
is not turning (as it does in FF and Rewind).Any suggestions? The deck also
has the broken eject cable piece in which the cassette door will not open.
This problem I understand. 		 	   		  
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From davidt124 at internode.on.net  Tue Aug  2 07:59:43 2011
From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson)
Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2011 15:59:43 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] 700ZXE recording noise
Message-ID: <CA5DCF6F.5987%davidt124@internode.on.net>

Can anyone suggest a reason for noisy recording on a 700ZX-E?
I have replaced all orange caps and some transistors on the bias oscillator
pcb.

David




From bluejets3 at comcast.net  Tue Aug  2 03:30:50 2011
From: bluejets3 at comcast.net (Tracy and Neville)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 21:30:50 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon door and cassette eject issue
Message-ID: <9C530442526545BBBBCB1F9B4D685923@TracyPC>

Hi. I just acquired a Nakamichi Dragon in good cosmetic condition which was stated to be working   On opening the shipping package I discovered the cassette door “unhooked” and the cassette mechanism looked like it was misaligned. I thought just reattaching the door would fix it, but powering up and pressing the eject button did not open the door. In fact it’s difficult to make it stay in. Is this a common problem with a relatively easy solution. Where do I start? By the way I can see and hear the capstans working if I hold in a cassette and the FF and RW also work. Play does not, but I did not test this approach too much as I hesitated to hold the door/cassette in. I just wanted to see if the capstans worked. Any help and suggestions would be appreciated. Many Thanks
Neville
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From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com  Tue Aug  2 15:42:22 2011
From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 06:42:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon door and cassette eject issue
In-Reply-To: <9C530442526545BBBBCB1F9B4D685923@TracyPC>
References: <9C530442526545BBBBCB1F9B4D685923@TracyPC>
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Looks like the Dragon transport mounts might have been broken during shipping which is normal if adequate care is taken in shipping. It is not an easy work if you have not serviced Naks before. Dragon can be complex even for taking out the transport if the mounts are broken
Kannan

From: Tracy and Neville <bluejets3 at comcast.net>
To: naktalk at naks.com
Sent: Monday, August 1, 2011 8:30 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon door and cassette eject issue


Hi. I just acquired a Nakamichi Dragon in good cosmetic condition which was stated to be working   On opening the shipping package I discovered the cassette door “unhooked” and the cassette mechanism looked like it was misaligned. I thought just reattaching the door would fix it, but powering up and pressing the eject button did not open the door. In fact it’s difficult to make it stay in. Is this a common problem with a relatively easy solution. Where do I start? By the way I can see and hear the capstans working if I hold in a cassette and the FF and RW also work. Play does not, but I did not test this approach too much as I hesitated to hold the door/cassette in. I just wanted to see if the capstans worked. Any help and suggestions would be appreciated. Many Thanks
Neville

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From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com  Tue Aug  2 16:42:45 2011
From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 07:42:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon door and cassette eject issue
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Sorry for the correction to my earlier post-
read "Looks like the Dragon transport mounts might have been broken during shipping which is normal if adequate care is not taken for shipping damage to the transport mounts which are plastic". instead 
kannan

From: kannan srinivasaraghavan <kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com>
To: Tracy and Neville <bluejets3 at comcast.net>; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2011 8:42 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon door and cassette eject issue


Looks like the Dragon transport mounts might have been broken during shipping which is normal if adequate care is taken in shipping. It is not an easy work if you have not serviced Naks before. Dragon can be complex even for taking out the transport if the mounts are broken
Kannan

From: Tracy and Neville <bluejets3 at comcast.net>
To: naktalk at naks.com
Sent: Monday, August 1, 2011 8:30 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon door and cassette eject issue


Hi. I just acquired a Nakamichi Dragon in good cosmetic condition which was stated to be working   On opening the shipping package I discovered the cassette door “unhooked” and the cassette mechanism looked like it was misaligned. I thought just reattaching the door would fix it, but powering up and pressing the eject button did not open the door. In fact it’s difficult to make it stay in. Is this a common problem with a relatively easy solution. Where do I start? By the way I can see and hear the capstans working if I hold in a cassette and the FF and RW also work. Play does not, but I did not test this approach too much as I hesitated to hold the door/cassette in. I just wanted to see if the capstans worked. Any help and suggestions would be appreciated. Many Thanks
Neville

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From mark8559 at hotmail.com  Tue Aug  2 18:03:50 2011
From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 10:03:50 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] FW: 480 Won't Play (Mark Exstedt)
In-Reply-To: <000f01cc5053$c84d0460$58e70d20$@iPrimus.com.au>
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Thank you so much John (and other members) for responding.I believe your statements are correct. However, I have determined to placed the deck on Ebay (U.S. sales only).Didn't want the deck to take up too much of my time and presently have too much gear to get rid of.Lately I've been enjoying the Nak 500 cassette deck. That was a simple fix (connections). Great sounding deck! http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-480-Cassette-Deck-w-Boxes-Manual-Minty-/160630051353?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item25664c1219
 > From: JohnGipps at iPrimus.com.au
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> CC: mark8559 at hotmail.com
> Subject: 480 Won't Play (Mark Exstedt)
> Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 00:03:25 +1000
> 
> Hi Mark
> 
> In a 480, the reel motor is driven in REW by Q402, in FF by Q413, and in
> Play by Q414. Q414 and its associated circuitry act as a current source and
> provide considerably less drive to the reel motor in Play, than it receives
> in FF. If FF and REW are ok, then the reel motor itself is obviously ok, and
> the problem is likely to be Q414. Q414 is a PNP transistor type 2SB564.
> Since the capstans are rotating when Play is requested, then a good part of
> the logic (which is discrete) for Play is also working. So the first parts
> to check are Q414, Q415, R437 (27 Ohm), and D414.
> 
> Regards
> 
> John Gipps
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 08:10:46 -0600
> From: Mark Exstedt <mark8559 at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [naktalk] 480 Won't Play
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> FF and Rewind is fine.Upon play, the transport goes up, but the drive motor
> is not turning (as it does in FF and Rewind).Any suggestions? The deck also
> has the broken eject cable piece in which the cassette door will not open.
> This problem I understand.            
 		 	   		  
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From gamve at ozemail.com.au  Tue Aug  2 15:07:36 2011
From: gamve at ozemail.com.au (gamve at ozemail.com.au)
Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2011 21:07:36 +0800
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon door and cassette eject issue
Message-ID: <13178.1312290456@ozemail.com.au>

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news

http://naks.es/binding_post_fix.html

Looks like this might be your problem. I have one just like it. :(
Best Regards
Graham

On Tue Aug  2 11:30 , 'Tracy and Neville' <bluejets3 at comcast.net> sent:

>
>
>
>
>Hi. I just acquired a Nakamichi Dragon in good cosmetic condition which was 
>stated to be working   On opening the shipping 
>package I discovered the cassette door “unhooked” and the cassette mechanism 
>looked like it was misaligned. I thought just reattaching the door would fix it, 
>but powering up and pressing the eject button did not open the door. In fact 
>it’s difficult to make it stay in. Is this a common problem with a relatively 
>easy solution. Where do I start? By the way I can see and hear the capstans 
>working if I hold in a cassette and the FF and RW also work. Play does not, but 
>I did not test this approach too much as I hesitated to hold the door/cassette 
>in. I just wanted to see if the capstans worked. Any help and suggestions would 
>be appreciated. Many Thanks
>Neville
> 





From ti at amb.org  Wed Aug  3 09:29:05 2011
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 00:29:05 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon door and cassette eject issue
In-Reply-To: <13178.1312290456@ozemail.com.au>
References: <13178.1312290456@ozemail.com.au>
Message-ID: <20110803072905.GA18857@bazooka.amb.org>

I had the same thing happen on the first Dragon I bought.  It was
inadequately packed and the cassette door got pushed in, breaking
the transport mounts inside.  Fortunately, the seller agreed to
accept a return with full refund, so I bought another Dragon
which worked out wonderfully.

-Ti

On Tue, Aug 02, 2011 at 09:07:36PM +0800, gamve at ozemail.com.au wrote:
> Sorry to be the bearer of bad news
> 
> http://naks.es/binding_post_fix.html
> 
> Looks like this might be your problem. I have one just like it. :(
> Best Regards
> Graham
> 
> On Tue Aug  2 11:30 , 'Tracy and Neville' <bluejets3 at comcast.net> sent:
> >Hi. I just acquired a Nakamichi Dragon in good cosmetic condition which was 
> >stated to be working??  On opening the shipping 
> >package I discovered the cassette door ???unhooked??? and the cassette mechanism 
> >looked like it was misaligned. I thought just reattaching the door would fix it, 
> >but powering up and pressing the eject button did not open the door. In fact 
> >it???s difficult to make it stay in. Is this a common problem with a relatively 
> >easy solution. Where do I start? By the way I can see and hear the capstans 
> >working if I hold in a cassette and the FF and RW also work. Play does not, but 
> >I did not test this approach too much as I hesitated to hold the door/cassette 
> >in. I just wanted to see if the capstans worked. Any help and suggestions would 
> >be appreciated. Many Thanks
> >Neville
> >??



From perry.nak at comcast.net  Wed Aug  3 13:38:06 2011
From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 11:38:06 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon mounting posts
Message-ID: <469793473-1312371495-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2073067934-@b25.c16.bise6.blackberry>

I always specify and request that the well cover be removed for shipping. They stick out and most any impact to the face causes the  nylon posts to snap. It is a common fix as Grahams post shows. Same for ZX-7/9 where the door protrudes. Sorry. Make a claim.
Perry Esposito - From my phone


From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Wed Aug  3 15:49:57 2011
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 06:49:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon mounting posts
In-Reply-To: <469793473-1312371495-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2073067934-@b25.c16.bise6.blackberry>
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Hi Perry, 


The well cover should be in place to ensure that the transport and its innards are protected. However, as the front of the deck is fragile due to knobs, switches and other features, it is important to cover this with layers of bubble sheet and some hard material (like a piece of carton or Styrofoam material). The Dragon is an extreme example thanks to its many buttons/knobs and not very solid built. It needs all the protection it can get to stand the punishment of transit. 

Cheers!
Bala



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To: naktalk at naks.com
Cc: 
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 9:38 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon mounting posts

I always specify and request that the well cover be removed for shipping. They stick out and most any impact to the face causes the  nylon posts to snap. It is a common fix as Grahams post shows. Same for ZX-7/9 where the door protrudes. Sorry. Make a claim.
Perry Esposito - From my phone
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From perry.nak at comcast.net  Wed Aug  3 17:20:51 2011
From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 15:20:51 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon mounting posts
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Hi Bala,
Sorry but I have to disagree. A simple wrap of clear plastic wrap like Saran wrap will keep the opening clean as well as prevent abrasion to the faceplate. The knobs have no impact on damaging the transport. A blow to the well cover will every time and even padding it well is often not enough. When shipped it is best to mimic the original packing which floated the deck by suspending the ends and providing a dead zone so no force can be transmitted to the face plate. Besides the original packing, (which has a cut out for the door)  the easiest way to do this is to wrap each end with enough bubble wrap (with the door removed) so the ends are tight  in the box but that there is at least two inches of air space all around, like a short fat dumbbell. In addition, when I ship a Dragon I insert 2 triangular folded tubes of cardboard under the top cover to brace the main board from moving and breaking or cracking the right rear corner, a very common damage, and the other wedges behind the transport and braced it to the back wall so it can't be forced rear ward by momentum. 
Perry Esposito - From my phone

-----Original Message-----
From: Bala Ganesh Chandra <bg3009 at yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 06:49:57 
To: perry.nak at comcast.net<perry.nak at comcast.net>; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks<naktalk at naks.com>
Reply-To: Bala Ganesh Chandra <bg3009 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon mounting posts

Hi Perry, 


The well cover should be in place to ensure that the transport and its innards are protected. However, as the front of the deck is fragile due to knobs, switches and other features, it is important to cover this with layers of bubble sheet and some hard material (like a piece of carton or Styrofoam material). The Dragon is an extreme example thanks to its many buttons/knobs and not very solid built. It needs all the protection it can get to stand the punishment of transit. 

Cheers!
Bala



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To: naktalk at naks.com
Cc: 
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 9:38 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon mounting posts

I always specify and request that the well cover be removed for shipping. They stick out and most any impact to the face causes the  nylon posts to snap. It is a common fix as Grahams post shows. Same for ZX-7/9 where the door protrudes. Sorry. Make a claim.
Perry Esposito - From my phone
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From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com  Wed Aug  3 18:23:04 2011
From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 09:23:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon mounting posts
In-Reply-To: <2019922610-1312384852-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-185120007-@b25.c16.bise6.blackberry>
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Yes 
Perry you are right
if the Dragon does not have the original Foam packaging with its original shipping box, remove the cassette cover ( I even fix a Cardboard plate thick enough to cover above/ around the cassette well lamp part that still protrudes out of the front plate) and ship it with adequate front foam to take enough shock as well as avoiding any direct contact with cassette well parts.
Otherwise it causes broken mounts -99% of the time
Another issue is shipping again without repair - my seller complained to UPS - UPS took it from me for inspection and sent it back to the seller causing extensive damage to PCB/ azimuth cable  etc!!
The Dragon became only a parts machine. Lesson learnt!!!!
Kannan

 
From: "perry.nak at comcast.net" <perry.nak at comcast.net>
To: Bala Ganesh Chandra <bg3009 at yahoo.com>; naktalk at naks.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon mounting posts


Hi Bala,
Sorry but I have to disagree. A simple wrap of clear plastic wrap like Saran wrap will keep the opening clean as well as prevent abrasion to the faceplate. The knobs have no impact on damaging the transport. A blow to the well cover will every time and even padding it well is often not enough. When shipped it is best to mimic the original packing which floated the deck by suspending the ends and providing a dead zone so no force can be transmitted to the face plate. Besides the original packing, (which has a cut out for the door) the easiest way to do this is to wrap each end with enough bubble wrap (with the door removed) so the ends are tight in the box but that there is at least two inches of air space all around, like a short fat dumbbell. In addition, when I ship a Dragon I insert 2 triangular folded tubes of cardboard under the top cover to brace the main board from moving and breaking or cracking the right rear corner, a very common damage, and
 the other wedges behind the transport and braced it to the back wall so it can't be forced rear ward by momentum. 
Perry Esposito - From my phone
From: Bala Ganesh Chandra <bg3009 at yahoo.com> 
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 06:49:57 -0700 (PDT)
To: perry.nak at comcast.net<perry.nak at comcast.net>; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks<naktalk at naks.com>
ReplyTo: Bala Ganesh Chandra <bg3009 at yahoo.com> 
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon mounting posts

Hi Perry, 


The well cover should be in place to ensure that the transport and its innards are protected. However, as the front of the deck is fragile due to knobs, switches and other features, it is important to cover this with layers of bubble sheet and some hard material (like a piece of carton or Styrofoam material). The Dragon is an extreme example thanks to its many buttons/knobs and not very solid built. It needs all the protection it can get to stand the punishment of transit. 

Cheers!
Bala



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To: naktalk at naks.com
Cc: 
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 9:38 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon mounting posts

I always specify and request that the well cover be removed for shipping. They stick out and most any impact to the face causes the  nylon posts to snap. It is a common fix as Grahams post shows. Same for ZX-7/9 where the door protrudes. Sorry. Make a claim.
Perry Esposito - From my phone
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From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com  Wed Aug  3 18:26:56 2011
From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 18:26:56 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon mounting posts
In-Reply-To: <1312379397.96911.YahooMailNeo@web160620.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
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Hi Bala, and listeners,

I was buying a vintage amplifier in Japan. They  did make  very  
interesting packing job.

The seller did put the amplifier  in a big plastic bag, in a big box  
and filled the free space  with  PU-foam  spray.

I hope that is the right translation.

The same material what is in use to fill the  space between  wall and  
windows  and things like that.

It was made in two steps. the form was behind another thin plastic.

After this half way step they did cover the amplifier again with  
plastic and fill in PU-form again between the amp
and the box.

The amplifier did arrive  perfect.

The PU-form has to be dry before closing the box!!

The classic  Naka transport needs that or 3 to 4 inches of air bubble.

The attached  photo was made by the seller.

regards


Gerhard
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From luis at peromarta.org  Wed Aug  3 20:37:57 2011
From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 20:37:57 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon mounting posts
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References: <469793473-1312371495-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2073067934-@b25.c16.bise6.blackberry>
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This is the most important thing!!

Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos.

El 03/08/2011, a las 18:23, kannan srinivasaraghavan <kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com> escribió:

> remove the cassette cover ( I even fix a Cardboard plate thick enough to cover above/ around the cassette well lamp part that still protrudes out of the front plate)



From mark8559 at hotmail.com  Thu Aug  4 01:11:36 2011
From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 17:11:36 -0600
Subject: FW: [naktalk] FW: 480 Won't Play (Mark Exstedt)
In-Reply-To: <SNT111-W579E64A4A6491FE25316E7DB3B0@phx.gbl>
References: <000f01cc5053$c84d0460$58e70d20$@iPrimus.com.au>,
	<SNT111-W579E64A4A6491FE25316E7DB3B0@phx.gbl>
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Silly me.This issue of a 480 not playing was the fact that all I had to do was to keep it plugged in for a few hours and later it played.I took it off Ebay and will give a shot at fixing the broken eject cable piece in which the cassette door will not open.Sorry to bother the group. Next time I'll be more carefull. Off line: I have an Nak OMS-4A and a CD-4 CD player. Which one is the one to keep?
 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com
To: naktalk at naks.com
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 10:03:50 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] FW: 480 Won't Play (Mark Exstedt)








Thank you so much John (and other members) for responding.
I believe your statements are correct. However, I have determined to placed the deck on Ebay (U.S. sales only).
Didn't want the deck to take up too much of my time and presently have too much gear to get rid of.
Lately I've been enjoying the Nak 500 cassette deck. That was a simple fix (connections). Great sounding deck!
 
http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-480-Cassette-Deck-w-Boxes-Manual-Minty-/160630051353?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item25664c1219
 
> From: JohnGipps at iPrimus.com.au
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> CC: mark8559 at hotmail.com
> Subject: 480 Won't Play (Mark Exstedt)
> Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 00:03:25 +1000
> 
> Hi Mark
> 
> In a 480, the reel motor is driven in REW by Q402, in FF by Q413, and in
> Play by Q414. Q414 and its associated circuitry act as a current source and
> provide considerably less drive to the reel motor in Play, than it receives
> in FF. If FF and REW are ok, then the reel motor itself is obviously ok, and
> the problem is likely to be Q414. Q414 is a PNP transistor type 2SB564.
> Since the capstans are rotating when Play is requested, then a good part of
> the logic (which is discrete) for Play is also working. So the first parts
> to check are Q414, Q415, R437 (27 Ohm), and D414.
> 
> Regards
> 
> John Gipps
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 08:10:46 -0600
> From: Mark Exstedt <mark8559 at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [naktalk] 480 Won't Play
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Message-ID: <SNT111-W54A51BECCFB614C8EF5DEADB340 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> FF and Rewind is fine.Upon play, the transport goes up, but the drive motor
> is not turning (as it does in FF and Rewind).Any suggestions? The deck also
> has the broken eject cable piece in which the cassette door will not open.
> This problem I understand.            
 		 	   		  

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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Thu Aug  4 02:30:29 2011
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 17:30:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] FW: 480 Won't Play (Mark Exstedt)
In-Reply-To: <SNT111-W54DCC32A7F20FD6DE72C5CDB3A0@phx.gbl>
References: <000f01cc5053$c84d0460$58e70d20$@iPrimus.com.au>,
	<SNT111-W579E64A4A6491FE25316E7DB3B0@phx.gbl>
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Message-ID: <1312417829.25807.YahooMailNeo@web160618.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Hi Mark, 


I have two of the CD-4 players and they are decent, robust players. The OMS series however, are better and definitely a keeper. It has two of the PCM 54 DACs and the 5 and 7 just get better. However, parts are scarce for the OMS series. The CD-4 laser assemblies (KSS-211A?) can still be obtained brand new if tried. 


Regards, 

Bala



________________________________
From: Mark Exstedt <mark8559 at hotmail.com>
To: naktalk at naks.com
Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2011 9:11 AM
Subject: FW: [naktalk] FW: 480 Won't Play (Mark Exstedt)


 
Silly me.
This issue of a 480 not playing was the fact that all I had to do was to keep it plugged in for a few hours and later it played.
I took it off Ebay and will give a shot at fixing the broken eject cable piece in which the cassette door will not open.
Sorry to bother the group. Next time I'll be more carefull.

Off line: I have an Nak OMS-4A and a CD-4 CD player. Which one is the one to keep?
 


________________________________
From: mark8559 at hotmail.com
To: naktalk at naks.com
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 10:03:50 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] FW: 480 Won't Play (Mark Exstedt)

 
Thank you so much John (and other members) for responding.
I believe your statements are correct. However, I have determined to placed the deck on Ebay (U.S. sales only).
Didn't want the deck to take up too much of my time and presently have too much gear to get rid of.
Lately I've been enjoying the Nak 500 cassette deck. That was a simple fix (connections). Great sounding deck!
 
http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-480-Cassette-Deck-w-Boxes-Manual-Minty-/160630051353?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item25664c1219
 

> From: JohnGipps at iPrimus.com.au
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> CC: mark8559 at hotmail.com
> Subject: 480 Won't Play (Mark Exstedt)
> Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 00:03:25 +1000
> 
> Hi Mark
> 
> In a 480, the reel motor is driven in REW by Q402, in FF by Q413, and in
> Play by Q414. Q414 and its associated circuitry act as a current source and
> provide considerably less drive to the reel motor in Play, than it receives
> in FF. If FF and REW are ok, then the reel motor itself is obviously ok, and
> the problem is likely to be Q414. Q414 is a PNP transistor type 2SB564.
> Since the capstans are rotating when Play is requested, then a good part of
> the logic (which is discrete) for Play is also working. So the first parts
> to check are Q414, Q415, R437 (27 Ohm), and D414.
> 
> Regards
> 
> John Gipps
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 08:10:46 -0600
> From: Mark Exstedt <mark8559 at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [naktalk] 480 Won't Play
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Message-ID: <SNT111-W54A51BECCFB614C8EF5DEADB340 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> FF and Rewind is fine.Upon play, the transport goes up, but the drive motor
> is not turning (as it does in FF and Rewind).Any suggestions? The deck also
> has the broken eject cable piece in which the cassette door will not open.
> This problem I understand.            

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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Thu Aug  4 03:04:35 2011
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 18:04:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon mounting posts
In-Reply-To: <2019922610-1312384852-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-185120007-@b25.c16.bise6.blackberry>
References: <469793473-1312371495-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2073067934-@b25.c16.bise6.blackberry><1312379397.96911.YahooMailNeo@web160620.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
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Hi Perry, 


I respect your views! I ship decks with a thick card in the front along with plenty of padding and foam (peanuts, crushed paper or corrugated board) to pad the deck all around so in case of any impacts, the packaging takes the blow. It might seem overkill, but I rather be safe. On certain decks, internal bracing for the boards and top cover is a must. I used to work in installing the automatic integrated weighing and laser guided dimension measurement systems for these companies and I seen first hand how they work. 


We may disagree on packing but we agree on Naks and that's what matters!

Cheers!
Bala 


________________________________
From: "perry.nak at comcast.net" <perry.nak at comcast.net>
To: Bala Ganesh Chandra <bg3009 at yahoo.com>; naktalk at naks.com
Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2011 1:20 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon mounting posts


Hi Bala,
Sorry but I have to disagree. A simple wrap of clear plastic wrap like Saran wrap will keep the opening clean as well as prevent abrasion to the faceplate. The knobs have no impact on damaging the transport. A blow to the well cover will every time and even padding it well is often not enough. When shipped it is best to mimic the original packing which floated the deck by suspending the ends and providing a dead zone so no force can be transmitted to the face plate. Besides the original packing, (which has a cut out for the door)  the easiest way to do this is to wrap each end with enough bubble wrap (with the door removed) so the ends are tight  in the box but that there is at least two inches of air space all around, like a short fat dumbbell. In addition, when I ship a Dragon I insert 2 triangular folded tubes of cardboard under the top cover to brace the main board from moving and breaking or cracking the right rear corner, a very common damage, and
 the other wedges behind the transport and braced it to the back wall so it can't be forced rear ward by momentum. 
Perry Esposito - From my phone
________________________________

From:  Bala Ganesh Chandra <bg3009 at yahoo.com> 
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 06:49:57 -0700 (PDT)
To: perry.nak at comcast.net<perry.nak at comcast.net>; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks<naktalk at naks.com>
ReplyTo:  Bala Ganesh Chandra <bg3009 at yahoo.com> 
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon mounting posts

Hi Perry, 


The well cover should be in place to ensure that the transport and its innards are protected. However, as the front of the deck is fragile due to knobs, switches and other features, it is important to cover this with layers of bubble sheet and some hard material (like a piece of carton or Styrofoam material). The Dragon is an extreme example thanks to its many buttons/knobs and not very solid built. It needs all the protection it can get to stand the punishment of transit. 

Cheers!
Bala



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From: "perry.nak at comcast.net" <perry.nak at comcast.net>
To: naktalk at naks.com
Cc: 
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 9:38
 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon mounting posts

I always specify and request that the well cover be removed for shipping. They stick out and most any impact to the face causes the  nylon posts to snap. It is a common fix as Grahams post shows. Same for ZX-7/9 where the door protrudes. Sorry. Make a claim.
Perry Esposito - From my phone
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From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com  Thu Aug  4 07:14:19 2011
From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (Ram)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 01:14:19 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] FW: 480 Won't Play (Mark Exstedt)
In-Reply-To: <SNT111-W54DCC32A7F20FD6DE72C5CDB3A0@phx.gbl>
References: <000f01cc5053$c84d0460$58e70d20$@iPrimus.com.au>
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Message-ID: <5C6FE12E-3C65-4F9E-80C3-2B2476835B9D@yahoo.com>

Smart move man. This is a superb sounding two head deck and it records great too.

 Just picked up my 480(donated to me via Naktalk ) from Willy(small service) and it is just silk sounding. No one believes it is a cassette deck playing.

....and on that Dragon post repair, please follow Willy's instructions on the wiki pages. It works.

finally, a word on the Dragon packing......I have received many well bubble wrapped Dragons's with broken door wells(4 to be precise)...the best thing is to pack well, double box and hope and pray for the best.......I have never lost a Dragon due to this well injury yet.

Sincerely,

Ram.


On Aug 3, 2011, at 7:11 PM, Mark Exstedt <mark8559 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Silly me.
> This issue of a 480 not playing was the fact that all I had to do was to keep it plugged in for a few hours and later it played.
> I took it off Ebay and will give a shot at fixing the broken eject cable piece in which the cassette door will not open.
> Sorry to bother the group. Next time I'll be more carefull.
> 
> Off line: I have an Nak OMS-4A and a CD-4 CD player. Which one is the one to keep?
>  
> From: mark8559 at hotmail.com
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 10:03:50 -0600
> Subject: [naktalk] FW: 480 Won't Play (Mark Exstedt)
> 
> Thank you so much John (and other members) for responding.
> I believe your statements are correct. However, I have determined to placed the deck on Ebay (U.S. sales only).
> Didn't want the deck to take up too much of my time and presently have too much gear to get rid of.
> Lately I've been enjoying the Nak 500 cassette deck. That was a simple fix (connections). Great sounding deck!
>  
> http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-480-Cassette-Deck-w-Boxes-Manual-Minty-/160630051353?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item25664c1219
>  
> > From: JohnGipps at iPrimus.com.au
> > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > CC: mark8559 at hotmail.com
> > Subject: 480 Won't Play (Mark Exstedt)
> > Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 00:03:25 +1000
> > 
> > Hi Mark
> > 
> > In a 480, the reel motor is driven in REW by Q402, in FF by Q413, and in
> > Play by Q414. Q414 and its associated circuitry act as a current source and
> > provide considerably less drive to the reel motor in Play, than it receives
> > in FF. If FF and REW are ok, then the reel motor itself is obviously ok, and
> > the problem is likely to be Q414. Q414 is a PNP transistor type 2SB564.
> > Since the capstans are rotating when Play is requested, then a good part of
> > the logic (which is discrete) for Play is also working. So the first parts
> > to check are Q414, Q415, R437 (27 Ohm), and D414.
> > 
> > Regards
> > 
> > John Gipps
> > 
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 08:10:46 -0600
> > From: Mark Exstedt <mark8559 at hotmail.com>
> > Subject: [naktalk] 480 Won't Play
> > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Message-ID: <SNT111-W54A51BECCFB614C8EF5DEADB340 at phx.gbl>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> > 
> > FF and Rewind is fine.Upon play, the transport goes up, but the drive motor
> > is not turning (as it does in FF and Rewind).Any suggestions? The deck also
> > has the broken eject cable piece in which the cassette door will not open.
> > This problem I understand.            
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From adrian at mechner.net  Thu Aug  4 01:56:18 2011
From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 16:56:18 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] FW: 480 Won't Play (Mark Exstedt)
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References: <000f01cc5053$c84d0460$58e70d20$@iPrimus.com.au>,
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None!

These are as good as Sony cassette decks.

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Mark Exstedt
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 4:12 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: FW: [naktalk] FW: 480 Won't Play (Mark Exstedt)

 

Silly me.
This issue of a 480 not playing was the fact that all I had to do was to
keep it plugged in for a few hours and later it played.
I took it off Ebay and will give a shot at fixing the broken eject cable
piece in which the cassette door will not open.
Sorry to bother the group. Next time I'll be more carefull.

Off line: I have an Nak OMS-4A and a CD-4 CD player. Which one is the one to
keep?
 

  _____  

From: mark8559 at hotmail.com
To: naktalk at naks.com
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 10:03:50 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] FW: 480 Won't Play (Mark Exstedt)

Thank you so much John (and other members) for responding.
I believe your statements are correct. However, I have determined to placed
the deck on Ebay (U.S. sales only).
Didn't want the deck to take up too much of my time and presently have too
much gear to get rid of.
Lately I've been enjoying the Nak 500 cassette deck. That was a simple fix
(connections). Great sounding deck!
 
http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-480-Cassette-Deck-w-Boxes-Manual-Minty-/160630
051353?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2
<http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-480-Cassette-Deck-w-Boxes-Manual-Minty-/16063
0051353?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item25664c1219> &hash=item25664c1219
 

> From: JohnGipps at iPrimus.com.au
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> CC: mark8559 at hotmail.com
> Subject: 480 Won't Play (Mark Exstedt)
> Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 00:03:25 +1000
> 
> Hi Mark
> 
> In a 480, the reel motor is driven in REW by Q402, in FF by Q413, and in
> Play by Q414. Q414 and its associated circuitry act as a current source
and
> provide considerably less drive to the reel motor in Play, than it
receives
> in FF. If FF and REW are ok, then the reel motor itself is obviously ok,
and
> the problem is likely to be Q414. Q414 is a PNP transistor type 2SB564.
> Since the capstans are rotating when Play is requested, then a good part
of
> the logic (which is discrete) for Play is also working. So the first parts
> to check are Q414, Q415, R437 (27 Ohm), and D414.
> 
> Regards
> 
> John Gipps
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 08:10:46 -0600
> From: Mark Exstedt <mark8559 at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [naktalk] 480 Won't Play
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Message-ID: <SNT111-W54A51BECCFB614C8EF5DEADB340 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> FF and Rewind is fine.Upon play, the transport goes up, but the drive
motor
> is not turning (as it does in FF and Rewind).Any suggestions? The deck
also
> has the broken eject cable piece in which the cassette door will not open.
> This problem I understand.            


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From perry.nak at comcast.net  Thu Aug  4 13:26:41 2011
From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 11:26:41 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Broken Dragon posts
Message-ID: <1052999856-1312457327-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-891161169-@b25.c16.bise6.blackberry>

Kannan,
Yes, it kills me when I read about this type of  shipping damage and then they want it shipped back so it gets finished off and totally destroyed! Do not they understand the concept of "some damage but repairable" vs destroyed! I have suggested to eBay that they have a prominent section featuring correct packaging with pictures and pictures of disasters as that just HAS to be a major source of claims and costs due to disputes for them. It would be a win-win for sellers and buyers alike, but of course no response. So many people are really clueless about how to properly pack electronics, with turntables at the top of the list.
Perry Esposito - From my phone


From N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net  Thu Aug  4 14:22:38 2011
From: N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net (N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 14:22:38 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL hangs in eq calibration
Message-ID: <4252.145.44.29.96.1312460558.squirrel@webmail.internl.net>

Hi Naktalkers,

I have a 1000ZXL with problems going through the calibration. The
calibration of the bias would succeed but after that the eq calibration
starts flashing the Right channel and doesn't stop with flashing.

Any clue on this one?

Regards Norman



From mark8559 at hotmail.com  Thu Aug  4 22:18:48 2011
From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 14:18:48 -0600
Subject: FW: [naktalk] Nak CD-4 CD Player
In-Reply-To: <1312417829.25807.YahooMailNeo@web160618.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <000f01cc5053$c84d0460$58e70d20$@iPrimus.com.au>,
	<SNT111-W579E64A4A6491FE25316E7DB3B0@phx.gbl>
	<SNT111-W54DCC32A7F20FD6DE72C5CDB3A0@phx.gbl>,
	<1312417829.25807.YahooMailNeo@web160618.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <SNT111-W318A1F8E1CB02DFAD7324EDB3D0@phx.gbl>


Thanks so much for your info Bala. It's great being a member of this friendly group.I went ahead and did an A/B comparison test to the CD-4 and the OMS-4A.OMS-4A was clearly the winner in sound. The CD-4 has a better far distance readable display. Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 17:30:29 -0700
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] FW: 480 Won't Play (Mark Exstedt)
To: naktalk at naks.com
CC: mark8559 at hotmail.com

Hi Mark,  I have two of the CD-4 players and they are decent, robust players. The OMS series however, are better and definitely a keeper. It has two of the PCM 54 DACs and the 5 and 7 just get better. However, parts are scarce for the OMS series. The CD-4 laser assemblies (KSS-211A?) can still be obtained brand new if tried. 
Regards, 
Bala
 
From: Mark Exstedt <mark8559 at hotmail.com>
To: naktalk at naks.com
Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2011 9:11 AM
Subject: FW: [naktalk] FW: 480 Won't Play (Mark Exstedt)




Off line: I have an Nak OMS-4A and a CD-4 CD player. Which one is the one to keep?
 




 



 		 	   		  
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From mark8559 at hotmail.com  Thu Aug  4 22:33:30 2011
From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 14:33:30 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] FW: 480 Won't Play
In-Reply-To: <5C6FE12E-3C65-4F9E-80C3-2B2476835B9D@yahoo.com>
References: <000f01cc5053$c84d0460$58e70d20$@iPrimus.com.au>,
	<SNT111-W579E64A4A6491FE25316E7DB3B0@phx.gbl>,
	<SNT111-W54DCC32A7F20FD6DE72C5CDB3A0@phx.gbl>,
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Message-ID: <SNT111-W52ADEC3AEF5BB063BA3946DB3D0@phx.gbl>


 Ya Ram, this 480 sounds great. Just like the 480 I sold last year.Playing 'I Threw Away the Rose' by Merle Haggard, I never heard the violin come in so strong and so detailed!There's a little something magical about the 480. From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] FW: 480 Won't Play (Mark Exstedt)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 01:14:19 -0400
To: naktalk at naks.com

Smart move man. This is a superb sounding two head deck and it records great too.

 Just picked up my 480(donated to me via Naktalk ) from Willy(small service) and it is just silk sounding. No one believes it is a cassette deck playing.
....and on that Dragon post repair, please follow Willy's instructions on the wiki pages. It works.
finally, a word on the Dragon packing......I have received many well bubble wrapped Dragons's with broken door wells(4 to be precise)...the best thing is to pack well, double box and hope and pray for the best.......I have never lost a Dragon due to this well injury yet.
Sincerely,
Ram.

 
On Aug 3, 2011, at 7:11 PM, Mark Exstedt <mark8559 at hotmail.com> wrote:
Silly me.
This issue of a 480 not playing was the fact that all I had to do was to keep it plugged in for a few hours and later it played.
I took it off Ebay and will give a shot at fixing the broken eject cable piece in which the cassette door will not open.
Sorry to bother the group. Next time I'll be more carefull.
 
  		 	   		  
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From valkriye30 at yahoo.com.au  Thu Aug  4 23:36:10 2011
From: valkriye30 at yahoo.com.au (John Doe)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 14:36:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL hangs in eq calibration
Message-ID: <1312493770.47893.yint-ygo-j2me@web121207.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Hi Norman,

Are there any batteries in the deck? If there are, try removing them and resetting the computer by pressing Preset buttons A, B, C and D together. Also ensure that the deck is calibrated. One other thing I can think os substituting the Rec eq board. 

Cheers
Bala

On Thu, 04 Aug 2011 22:22 EST N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net wrote:

>Hi Naktalkers,
>
>I have a 1000ZXL with problems going through the calibration. The
>calibration of the bias would succeed but after that the eq calibration
>starts flashing the Right channel and doesn't stop with flashing.
>
>Any clue on this one?
>
>Regards Norman
>
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From luis at peromarta.org  Fri Aug  5 11:02:14 2011
From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:02:14 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL hangs in eq calibration
In-Reply-To: <1312493770.47893.yint-ygo-j2me@web121207.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1312493770.47893.yint-ygo-j2me@web121207.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <F8567AD2-082E-424B-9CB8-C4133F1524F9@peromarta.org>

Yes, but make sure it is fully calibrated first!

Sent from iPad. Pls excuse typos.

El 04/08/2011, a las 23:36, John Doe <valkriye30 at yahoo.com.au> escribió:

> Hi Norman,
> 
> Are there any batteries in the deck? If there are, try removing them and resetting the computer by pressing Preset buttons A, B, C and D together. Also ensure that the deck is calibrated. One other thing I can think os substituting the Rec eq board. 
> 
> Cheers
> Bala
> 
> On Thu, 04 Aug 2011 22:22 EST N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net wrote:
> 
>> Hi Naktalkers,
>> 
>> I have a 1000ZXL with problems going through the calibration. The
>> calibration of the bias would succeed but after that the eq calibration
>> starts flashing the Right channel and doesn't stop with flashing.
>> 
>> Any clue on this one?
>> 
>> Regards Norman
>> 
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From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com  Fri Aug  5 11:15:06 2011
From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (Ram)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 05:15:06 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL hangs in eq calibration
In-Reply-To: <1312493770.47893.yint-ygo-j2me@web121207.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1312493770.47893.yint-ygo-j2me@web121207.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <F385059C-3B89-4FAD-BE48-6FBF93B1F087@yahoo.com>


Hi John,

In my experience, you need the entire deck aligned by a professional, other than opening the deck up and reseating the 4 boards after removing them.

Removing batteries et al will do nothing for the decks EQ capability. Have tried those many many times to no avail.

Willy Hermann and ESL are good places to have the deck serviced.the choice will depend upon  your budget and need.

Best of luck.

Ram.



On Aug 4, 2011, at 5:36 PM, John Doe <valkriye30 at yahoo.com.
> 
> On Thu, 04 Aug 2011 22:22 EST N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net wrote:
> 
>> Hi Naktalkers,
>> 
>> I have a 1000ZXL with problems going through the calibration. The
>> calibration of the bias would succeed but after that the eq calibration
>> starts flashing the Right channel and doesn't stop with flashing.
>> 
>> Any clue on this one?
>> 
>> Regards Norman
>> 
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From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net  Fri Aug  5 11:17:22 2011
From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:17:22 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL hangs in eq calibration
In-Reply-To: <1312493770.47893.yint-ygo-j2me@web121207.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1312493770.47893.yint-ygo-j2me@web121207.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000301cc5350$7d5d5720$78180560$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net>

Hi Bala,

I removed the batteries and did the trick with the A B C and D buttons together and did a reset of the computer as you mentioned. 
This machine would go through the bias calibration and one time it goes through the eq calibration of the right channel and goes even through the level cal of the right channnel but then stucks in calibration of the left channel eq calibration. Weird behaviour. Maybe i have to focus on the REC EQ board. This machine has already replacements for the orange caps so that would not be the case. To be continued i guess.

Regards Norman 

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens John Doe
Verzonden: donderdag 4 augustus 2011 23:36
Aan: naktalk at naks.com
Onderwerp: Re: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL hangs in eq calibration

Hi Norman,

Are there any batteries in the deck? If there are, try removing them and resetting the computer by pressing Preset buttons A, B, C and D together. Also ensure that the deck is calibrated. One other thing I can think os substituting the Rec eq board. 

Cheers
Bala

On Thu, 04 Aug 2011 22:22 EST N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net wrote:

>Hi Naktalkers,
>
>I have a 1000ZXL with problems going through the calibration. The
>calibration of the bias would succeed but after that the eq calibration
>starts flashing the Right channel and doesn't stop with flashing.
>
>Any clue on this one?
>
>Regards Norman
>
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From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net  Fri Aug  5 14:06:55 2011
From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 14:06:55 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL hangs in eq calibration
In-Reply-To: <F8567AD2-082E-424B-9CB8-C4133F1524F9@peromarta.org>
References: <1312493770.47893.yint-ygo-j2me@web121207.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<F8567AD2-082E-424B-9CB8-C4133F1524F9@peromarta.org>
Message-ID: <000e01cc5368$2ba3c8c0$82eb5a40$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net>

Hi all,

Yes you are all completely right, i will have to calibrate First. I was hoping for a quick win but calibration has to be done anyway so i will go for that.
 We keep in touch,

Regards Norman

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens Luis Peromarta Regert
Verzonden: vrijdag 5 augustus 2011 11:02
Aan: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
CC: naktalk at naks.com
Onderwerp: Re: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL hangs in eq calibration

Yes, but make sure it is fully calibrated first!

Sent from iPad. Pls excuse typos.

El 04/08/2011, a las 23:36, John Doe <valkriye30 at yahoo.com.au> escribió:

> Hi Norman,
> 
> Are there any batteries in the deck? If there are, try removing them and resetting the computer by pressing Preset buttons A, B, C and D together. Also ensure that the deck is calibrated. One other thing I can think os substituting the Rec eq board. 
> 
> Cheers
> Bala
> 
> On Thu, 04 Aug 2011 22:22 EST N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net wrote:
> 
>> Hi Naktalkers,
>> 
>> I have a 1000ZXL with problems going through the calibration. The
>> calibration of the bias would succeed but after that the eq calibration
>> starts flashing the Right channel and doesn't stop with flashing.
>> 
>> Any clue on this one?
>> 
>> Regards Norman
>> 
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>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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From perry.nak at comcast.net  Fri Aug  5 22:44:59 2011
From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 20:44:59 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 serial numbers greater than 10000 and less than 13000
Message-ID: <333986980.340469.1312577099045.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>


Can anyone tell me their build date on their CR-7 between 10000 and 13000? I have 2 CR-7s here and the 13000 one is 2nd qtr '89 and the 10000 one is last quarter '87.  Less than 3000 CR-7 decks in 1 1/2 years seems wrong to me, but I'm probably all wet on this.  Just thought I'd ask. The 10000 one has the idler tire, and I thought the tires were gone earlier than that.  Thanks!
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From gtsdave at bellsouth.net  Sat Aug  6 15:57:42 2011
From: gtsdave at bellsouth.net (gtsdave)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 09:57:42 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL hangs in eq calibration
In-Reply-To: <000301cc5350$7d5d5720$78180560$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net>
Message-ID: <D47EDA0748BC4205AE09255E9D1B77C1@home>

First, clean the heads and do a demag.  Then try a different tape
formulation. If you still have a problem, try reseating the rec and playback
boards.  If still a problem, find out how to adjust to dc offset.  That was
my problem at one time.

Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: Norman van Wijnen [mailto:n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net] 
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 5:17 AM
To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'
Subject: RE: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL hangs in eq calibration

Hi Bala,

I removed the batteries and did the trick with the A B C and D buttons
together and did a reset of the computer as you mentioned. 
This machine would go through the bias calibration and one time it goes
through the eq calibration of the right channel and goes even through the
level cal of the right channnel but then stucks in calibration of the left
channel eq calibration. Weird behaviour. Maybe i have to focus on the REC EQ
board. This machine has already replacements for the orange caps so that
would not be the case. To be continued i guess.

Regards Norman 

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens John
Doe
Verzonden: donderdag 4 augustus 2011 23:36
Aan: naktalk at naks.com
Onderwerp: Re: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL hangs in eq calibration

Hi Norman,

Are there any batteries in the deck? If there are, try removing them and
resetting the computer by pressing Preset buttons A, B, C and D together.
Also ensure that the deck is calibrated. One other thing I can think os
substituting the Rec eq board. 

Cheers
Bala

On Thu, 04 Aug 2011 22:22 EST N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net wrote:

>Hi Naktalkers,
>
>I have a 1000ZXL with problems going through the calibration. The
>calibration of the bias would succeed but after that the eq calibration
>starts flashing the Right channel and doesn't stop with flashing.
>
>Any clue on this one?
>
>Regards Norman
>
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From uraldurusu at ttmail.com  Sun Aug  7 15:24:06 2011
From: uraldurusu at ttmail.com (Ural Durusu)
Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 16:24:06 +0300
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Power Problem
Message-ID: <5320BBE536C44803939634C10E4EF758@surdokmdnb>

Hello, Is there a thermal interlock at the power switch? When the deck is warm after one ore more playback hours, if I power off then power on, power switch does not click and lock. It locks after the deck is cooled down. I ve opened the top cover and blew air on to the power switch board and instantly lock the power switch. What can I do for this?

Regards,

Ural Durusu
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From pbtanner at hotmail.com  Tue Aug  9 18:17:40 2011
From: pbtanner at hotmail.com (Peter Tanner)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 16:17:40 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] 581 stops
Message-ID: <SNT127-W37CBF911B54DC638FF67B3DF200@phx.gbl>


Hello,
 
I have a 581 which occasionally goes into stop mode before the end of the tape. It doesn't happen with all tapes but happens frequently enough to be irritating. When put back into the play mode after the stop it plays the tape normally to the end. Has anyone encountered this problem? Or know the reason for it? Thanks
 
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From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com  Tue Aug  9 20:54:47 2011
From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 11:54:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Power Problem
In-Reply-To: <5320BBE536C44803939634C10E4EF758@surdokmdnb>
References: <5320BBE536C44803939634C10E4EF758@surdokmdnb>
Message-ID: <1312916087.75861.YahooMailNeo@web160709.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

It is not caused by Power switch - probably some component in the Power Supply regulator in the dragon might be causing this - you can use a DMM to monitor AC voltage after the Switch and verify . same way you can monitor the AC output of the Transformer as well as the DC side to locate the source of the problem
Kannan

From: Ural Durusu <uraldurusu at ttmail.com>
To: naktalk at naks.com
Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2011 8:24 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Power Problem


Hello, Is there a thermal interlock at the power switch? When the deck is warm after one ore more playback hours, if I power off then power on, power switch does not click and lock. It locks after the deck is cooled down. I ve opened the top cover and blew air on to the power switch board and instantly lock the power switch. What can I do for this?
 
Regards,
 
Ural Durusu
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From mark8559 at hotmail.com  Tue Aug  9 21:29:41 2011
From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 13:29:41 -0600
Subject: FW: [naktalk] 581 stops
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 Is it stoping at the same point regardless of whether you use a 60, 90, or 110/120 minute cassette?From: pbtanner at hotmail.com
To: naktalk at naks.com
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 16:17:40 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] 581 stops








Hello,

 

I have a 581 which occasionally goes into stop mode before the end of the tape. It doesn't happen with all tapes but happens frequently enough to be irritating. When put back into the play mode after the stop it plays the tape normally to the end. Has anyone encountered this problem? Or know the reason for it? Thanks

 

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From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com  Tue Aug  9 21:50:07 2011
From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 21:50:07 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] 581 stops
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Message-ID: <34F4F40E-9497-4B49-966E-F6ACAB7C4A53@gmail.com>

First you can check the shut off mechanism belt.

Is is the long belt right behind the cassette department.

regards

G



Am 09.08.2011 um 18:17 schrieb Peter Tanner:

> Hello,
>
> I have a 581 which occasionally goes into stop mode before the end  
> of the tape. It doesn't happen with all tapes but happens  
> frequently enough to be irritating. When put back into the play  
> mode after the stop it plays the tape normally to the end. Has  
> anyone encountered this problem? Or know the reason for it? Thanks
>
> Peter
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From willy at willyhermannservices.com  Tue Aug  9 21:57:17 2011
From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 12:57:17 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Power Problem
In-Reply-To: <5320BBE536C44803939634C10E4EF758@surdokmdnb>
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No - no thermal interlock.  It's just a regular switch which in your Dragon
is failing.

Willy

2011/8/7 Ural Durusu <uraldurusu at ttmail.com>

> **
>  Hello, Is there a thermal interlock at the power switch? When the deck is
> warm after one ore more playback hours, if I power off then power on, power
> switch does not click and lock. It locks after the deck is cooled down. I ve
> opened the top cover and blew air on to the power switch board and instantly
> lock the power switch. What can I do for this?
>
> Regards,
>
> Ural Durusu
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From ronami at yahoo.com  Tue Aug  9 22:53:51 2011
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 13:53:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] 581 stops
In-Reply-To: <SNT127-W37CBF911B54DC638FF67B3DF200@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1312923231.69512.YahooMailClassic@web130122.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Peter,

Right after the deck incorrectly stops, is there a small 
loose loop of tape in the takeup side of the cassette?

-- Ron



--- On Tue, 8/9/11, Peter Tanner <pbtanner at hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Peter Tanner <pbtanner at hotmail.com>
Subject: [naktalk] 581 stops
To: "naktalk naktalk" <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Tuesday, August 9, 2011, 12:17 PM






Hello,

 

I have a 581 which occasionally goes into stop mode before the end of the tape. It doesn't happen with all tapes but happens frequently enough to be irritating. When put back into the play mode after the stop it plays the tape normally to the end. Has anyone encountered this problem? Or know the reason for it? Thanks

 

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From valkriye30 at yahoo.com.au  Wed Aug 10 02:13:29 2011
From: valkriye30 at yahoo.com.au (John Doe)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 17:13:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Power Problem
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Message-ID: <1312935209.39975.YahooMailNeo@web121202.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Hi Ural, 


Does this happen in regular cycles or was this a once off instance? The could be a chance that the heat is causing the power switch to fail. 


Regards 


________________________________
From: Ural Durusu <uraldurusu at ttmail.com>
To: naktalk at naks.com
Sent: Sunday, 7 August 2011 11:24 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Power Problem


 
Hello, Is there a thermal interlock at the power 
switch? When the deck is warm after one ore more playback hours, if I power 
off then power on, power switch does not click and lock. It locks after the deck 
is cooled down. I ve opened the top cover and blew air on to the power switch 
board and instantly lock the power switch. What can I do for this?
 
Regards,
 
Ural Durusu
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From mark8559 at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 11 05:46:02 2011
From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 21:46:02 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Leaking Capacitors - slightly offline
In-Reply-To: <CAFtm=9eqW9+mT_QfopJY4rZ4WG_BGO=Sr1_6ht5FgCetfrDBWA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <SNT111-W56CC47B93D3288A43FBC1DB230@phx.gbl>,
	<CAFtm=9eqW9+mT_QfopJY4rZ4WG_BGO=Sr1_6ht5FgCetfrDBWA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SNT111-W252B8BF76F92F29E2619A1DB220@phx.gbl>



Can somebody advise me of leaking capacitors. I was told this is sometimes a problem with the Nak 600 series amp pop can size capacitors.The picture shows a Yamaha C-45 preamp (which I believe) had a leaking capacitor problem. I thought the leaking stuff would be gooey, but it's rock hard (I'm assuming it was gooey at first).Questions:Will the sound deteriorate on all leaking capacitor problems?Is repairing the problem expensive?Thanks. (picked up my 5th BX-300 today, Minty!)

 		 	   		  
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From kaupp240 at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 11 07:06:17 2011
From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 19:06:17 -1000
Subject: [naktalk] Leaking Capacitors - slightly offline
In-Reply-To: <SNT111-W252B8BF76F92F29E2619A1DB220@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT111-W56CC47B93D3288A43FBC1DB230@phx.gbl>,
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I had a leaky cap on my analog/digital CD recorder. The functions that used
the cap quit working properly -- that was the first hint that something was
wrong. The leak also damaged the main board as the acid damaged the traces
and thru-hole circuits. I had to perform microsurgery on ALL of the
thru-holes within about a 2-inch diameter of the leak and repair numerous
traces. On the CD recorder the leak itself wasn't even eye visible -- and
the corrosion damage wasn't either. That particular cap was known to fail
and cause this sort of damage. Someone who had made this repair to many of
these decks advised me of which cap to remove and how to fix the main board.
The deck has worked fine since the surgery.
 
At least remove the leaky caps ASAP.
 
Aloha,
Cheryl

  _____  

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Mark Exstedt
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 5:46 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Leaking Capacitors - slightly offline



Can somebody advise me of leaking capacitors. I was told this is sometimes a
problem with the Nak 600 series amp pop can size capacitors.

The picture shows a Yamaha C-45 preamp (which I believe) had a leaking
capacitor problem. I thought the leaking stuff would be gooey, but it's rock
hard (I'm assuming it was gooey at first).
Questions:
Will the sound deteriorate on all leaking capacitor problems?
Is repairing the problem expensive?
Thanks.
 
(picked up my 5th BX-300 today, Minty!)

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From willy at willyhermannservices.com  Thu Aug 11 07:13:54 2011
From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 22:13:54 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Leaking Capacitors - slightly offline
In-Reply-To: <SNT111-W252B8BF76F92F29E2619A1DB220@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT111-W56CC47B93D3288A43FBC1DB230@phx.gbl>
	<CAFtm=9eqW9+mT_QfopJY4rZ4WG_BGO=Sr1_6ht5FgCetfrDBWA@mail.gmail.com>
	<SNT111-W252B8BF76F92F29E2619A1DB220@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAM9V8MdYfta6pf3TC8BEeaOZTtEJb7uoDvuu3SDdAUaz-yGuJQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Mark -

What you're looking at is not a failed capacitor.  Many Japanese
manufacturers during that era used an adhesive on the capacitors so they
wouldn't be sheared off the circuit board by violent shipping.  It was
discovered that the adhesive starts out white and with heat and age turns
darker.  The only problem is that the darker it turns the more conductive it
becomes and the stuff was laid over the bases of capacitors and adjacent
components so it can cause all kinds of problems.  You should chip it off
with a small probe or screwdriver, especially where it has flowed over the
legs of other components but don't worry about it being liquid from the
capacitors.

Willy

On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 8:46 PM, Mark Exstedt <mark8559 at hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> Can somebody advise me of leaking capacitors. I was told this is sometimes
> a problem with the Nak 600 series amp pop can size capacitors.
> The picture shows a Yamaha C-45 preamp (which I believe) had a leaking
> capacitor problem. I thought the leaking stuff would be gooey, but it's rock
> hard (I'm assuming it was gooey at first).
> Questions:
> Will the sound deteriorate on all leaking capacitor problems?
> Is repairing the problem expensive?
> Thanks.
>
> (picked up my 5th BX-300 today, Minty!)
>
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From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com  Thu Aug 11 08:24:21 2011
From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 23:24:21 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Leaking Capacitors - slightly offline
In-Reply-To: <CAM9V8MdYfta6pf3TC8BEeaOZTtEJb7uoDvuu3SDdAUaz-yGuJQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <SNT111-W56CC47B93D3288A43FBC1DB230@phx.gbl>
	<CAFtm=9eqW9+mT_QfopJY4rZ4WG_BGO=Sr1_6ht5FgCetfrDBWA@mail.gmail.com>
	<SNT111-W252B8BF76F92F29E2619A1DB220@phx.gbl>
	<CAM9V8MdYfta6pf3TC8BEeaOZTtEJb7uoDvuu3SDdAUaz-yGuJQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABa_+eF4ePPFqVq+g6ZL2HqJTzpasnFHbHQa3oRSPHsq-_qhpQ@mail.gmail.com>

Willy is absolutely right about this. Not only can the infamous "brown glue"
conduct electricity, it is highly corrosive! It eats jumpers and component
leads.

So yes, chip it away.

Fred
Classic Audio Repair
www.repairaudio.com

* * * * *

Hi Mark
>
> What you're looking at is not a failed capacitor.  Many Japanese
> manufacturers during that era used an adhesive on the capacitors so they
> wouldn't be sheared off the circuit board by violent shipping.  It was
> discovered that the adhesive starts out white and with heat and age turns
> darker.  The only problem is that the darker it turns the more conductive it
> becomes and the stuff was laid over the bases of capacitors and adjacent
> components so it can cause all kinds of problems.  You should chip it off
> with a small probe or screwdriver, especially where it has flowed over the
> legs of other components but don't worry about it being liquid from the
> capacitors.
>
> Willy
>
> On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 8:46 PM, Mark Exstedt <mark8559 at hotmail.com>wrote:
>
>>
>> Can somebody advise me of leaking capacitors. I was told this is sometimes
>> a problem with the Nak 600 series amp pop can size capacitors.
>> The picture shows a Yamaha C-45 preamp (which I believe) had a leaking
>> capacitor problem. I thought the leaking stuff would be gooey, but it's rock
>> hard (I'm assuming it was gooey at first).
>> Questions:
>> Will the sound deteriorate on all leaking capacitor problems?
>> Is repairing the problem expensive?
>> Thanks.
>>
>> (picked up my 5th BX-300 today, Minty!)
>>
>>
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>
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From mark8559 at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 11 16:38:12 2011
From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 08:38:12 -0600
Subject: FW: [naktalk] Leaking Capacitors - slightly offline
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	<SNT111-W252B8BF76F92F29E2619A1DB220@phx.gbl>,
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Thank you so much Willy for responding.Now I know exactly what I'm looking at. Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 22:13:54 -0700
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Leaking Capacitors - slightly offline
From: willy at willyhermannservices.com
To: naktalk at naks.com

Hi Mark -
What you're looking at is not a failed capacitor.  Many Japanese manufacturers during that era used an adhesive on the capacitors so they wouldn't be sheared off the circuit board by violent shipping.  It was discovered that the adhesive starts out white and with heat and age turns darker.  The only problem is that the darker it turns the more conductive it becomes and the stuff was laid over the bases of capacitors and adjacent components so it can cause all kinds of problems.  You should chip it off with a small probe or screwdriver, especially where it has flowed over the legs of other components but don't worry about it being liquid from the capacitors. 

Willy

On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 8:46 PM, Mark Exstedt <mark8559 at hotmail.com> wrote:







Can somebody advise me of leaking capacitors. I was told this is sometimes a problem with the Nak 600 series amp pop can size capacitors.
The picture shows a Yamaha C-45 preamp (which I believe) had a leaking capacitor problem. I thought the leaking stuff would be gooey, but it's rock hard (I'm assuming it was gooey at first).
Questions:Will the sound deteriorate on all leaking capacitor problems?Is repairing the problem expensive?Thanks.
 (picked up my 5th BX-300 today, Minty!)

 		 	   		  

 		 	   		  
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From adrian at mechner.net  Tue Aug  9 22:06:57 2011
From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 13:06:57 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Power Problem
In-Reply-To: <5320BBE536C44803939634C10E4EF758@surdokmdnb>
References: <5320BBE536C44803939634C10E4EF758@surdokmdnb>
Message-ID: <00a001cc56cf$e4e45510$aeacff30$@net>

In my opinion as an engineer, even so I don't know about this particularly
heat protection, I would do this:

The heat protections which click usually are bimetal ones. That means it's a
reaction of the material it's made of. The malfunction in time is called
material fatigue. This can generate different values at which it shuts off
(reacts to heat). No big deal; I would simply eliminate it since I know my
deck works just fine.

On the other hand, if the protection works fine, the must be suddenly a heat
source... This would mean that some part is starting to heat up (very common
for this decks). I would try first of all to find the heat source and go
from there.

If you say that the all around temperature is normal, I would eliminate the
protection or find a replacement.

Take care,

Adrian 

 

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Ural Durusu
Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 6:24 AM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Power Problem

 

Hello, Is there a thermal interlock at the power switch? When the deck is
warm after one ore more playback hours, if I power off then power on, power
switch does not click and lock. It locks after the deck is cooled down. I ve
opened the top cover and blew air on to the power switch board and instantly
lock the power switch. What can I do for this?

 

Regards,

 

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From avss01 at gmail.com  Wed Aug 10 12:22:44 2011
From: avss01 at gmail.com (avss01)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 20:22:44 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX Question
Message-ID: <CAES7Nr0_phpJHFm5YTELL0JNWxuxX+L8tU05uhBCHObKKX3R0Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all

I am not usually one to post questions, but I have a curly one that is
causing me some frustration.  I am currently refurbishing 2 680ZXs recently
purchased from the same owner here in Aus.  They are well used, but in quite
reasonable condition.  Thus far I have done all of the usual
things...complete strip down of the transport, clean, lube and replacement
of all belts, idler tyre and pinch rollers....replaced all poly caps and
some of the key signal AC coupling caps, and all power supply filter caps.
Both decks have come back to life again, with initial head alignments all
going well.  I have got to the early stages of electrical alignments, and
after adjusting the 400Hz oscillator for 100mV on the left and right test
points and then calibrating the display units to read 0dB with 100mV with an
input signal, I noticed something strange with the display unit on one of
the decks.  When I have the 'Cal' position selected, I have a good steady
reading on the fluro display smack on 0dB, but if I happen to put the
transport into play mode (with no tape in the transport) the meters for both
left and right show wildly erratic sub readings below the 0dB mark.  To keep
this post as short as possible, I will say that I have tracked this down to
an erroneous signal coming into the switch PCB from the azimuth detection
circuit on the logic board.  This is the circuit that creates the two
sub-cursors that come up and approach the right most point of the display
during a real auto-azimuth alignment process.  I can see total erratic
signals on L29 during play mode and it settles down again in stop mode.  If
I ground this signal out, the meters go back to steady normal readings in
'Cal' mode and with play mode selected.

Has anyone come across this before or can anyone suggest a possible cause?
I have proved it is not the display unit itself, and also that all of the
switch contacts on every switch on the switch PCB are working and correct.
I would love to have a basic theory of operation of the phase detection
circuit on the logic PCB as I am finding the circuit diagram alone not
enough.  I am signal tracing between both decks (this helps a lot) but still
can't put a finger on the cause.

Sorry for the long post  :)

Regards

David
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From uraldurusu at ttmail.com  Wed Aug 10 12:37:31 2011
From: uraldurusu at ttmail.com (uraldurusu)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 13:37:31 +0300
Subject: YNT: [naktalk] Dragon Power Problem
References: <5320BBE536C44803939634C10E4EF758@surdokmdnb>
	<1312935209.39975.YahooMailNeo@web121202.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9001F89E8B697947ACDFD967BE50657D171547@STT1EVS62.TTHMC.LOCAL>

Hello,
This happened 2 times may be the switch mechanic is failing. 
 
Ural

________________________________

Kimden: naktalk-bounces at naks.com bu kişinin yerine: John Doe
Gönderilmiş: Çar 10.08.2011 03:13
Kime: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Konu: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Power Problem


Hi Ural, 


Does this happen in regular cycles or was this a once off instance? The could be a chance that the heat is causing the power switch to fail. 


Regards 

________________________________

From: Ural Durusu <uraldurusu at ttmail.com>
To: naktalk at naks.com
Sent: Sunday, 7 August 2011 11:24 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Power Problem


Hello, Is there a thermal interlock at the power switch? When the deck is warm after one ore more playback hours, if I power off then power on, power switch does not click and lock. It locks after the deck is cooled down. I ve opened the top cover and blew air on to the power switch board and instantly lock the power switch. What can I do for this?
 
Regards,
 
Ural Durusu

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From pbtanner at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 10 19:26:23 2011
From: pbtanner at hotmail.com (Peter Tanner)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 17:26:23 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] 581 stops
In-Reply-To: <1312923231.69512.YahooMailClassic@web130122.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <SNT127-W37CBF911B54DC638FF67B3DF200@phx.gbl>,
	<1312923231.69512.YahooMailClassic@web130122.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <SNT127-W417991F275031B3ACE2AD7DF230@phx.gbl>


Yes, there is. Also, sometimes after fast forward as well, particularly towards the end of the tape.
 



Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 13:53:51 -0700
From: ronami at yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 581 stops
To: naktalk at naks.com





Peter,

Right after the deck incorrectly stops, is there a small 
loose loop of tape in the takeup side of the cassette?

-- Ron



--- On Tue, 8/9/11, Peter Tanner <pbtanner at hotmail.com> wrote:


From: Peter Tanner <pbtanner at hotmail.com>
Subject: [naktalk] 581 stops
To: "naktalk naktalk" <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Tuesday, August 9, 2011, 12:17 PM





Hello,
 
I have a 581 which occasionally goes into stop mode before the end of the tape. It doesn't happen with all tapes but happens frequently enough to be irritating. When put back into the play mode after the stop it plays the tape normally to the end. Has anyone encountered this problem? Or know the reason for it? Thanks
 
Peter 

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From pbtanner at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 11 23:39:15 2011
From: pbtanner at hotmail.com (Peter Tanner)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 21:39:15 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] 581 stops before the end of the tape
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Thanks for your response Ron, Gerhard and Mark re this 581 stopping unexpectedly. The stop mechanism belt is new. I have not tried C60 tapes but 90 and 100 show the same symptom. About 5 minutes before the tape ends the deck stops. It happens erratically, one out 3 tapes, and particularly on tapes that have been played on other decks before or tapes that have had sections fast forwarded. Once the play button is pressed again the tapes play all the way to the end. Fast forward and rewind are good and the idler tire, though not new, seems to be fine. Guide height and head height and azimuth are set up to Nak specs. Thanks again
 
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From bobschneider8 at comcast.net  Fri Aug 12 18:38:48 2011
From: bobschneider8 at comcast.net (Bob Schneider)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 11:38:48 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] TM-1 Service Info Wanted
Message-ID: <o9gqw93irk627d6vlq8yc01u.1313167128499@email.android.com>

I just bought a Nak TM-1 clock radio and TM-2 stereo speaker.  Does anyone know where I could get the service manual or schematic?  The files site only has a service bulletin.

Thanks!



From bobschneider8 at comcast.net  Sat Aug 13 06:10:16 2011
From: bobschneider8 at comcast.net (Robert Schneider)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 23:10:16 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] TM-1 Service Info Wanted
Message-ID: <4E45F928.5060508@comcast.net>

Hi.  I just purchased a Nakamichi TM-1 clock radio and TM-2 companion 
stereo speaker.  Does anyone have (or know where I could get) the 
service manual or schematics for these units?   The Nak files site only 
has a service bulletin about how to fix a too fast or slow clock.

Thanks!


From kaupp240 at hotmail.com  Sat Aug 13 20:36:40 2011
From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 08:36:40 -1000
Subject: [naktalk] 581 stops before the end of the tape
In-Reply-To: <SNT127-W55EBED8D1C723354348F8ADF220@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT127-W55EBED8D1C723354348F8ADF220@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP24801791FD958B99F926EE786240@phx.gbl>

Peter,

 
Have you checked the technical docs on the wiki? There are 2 docs that might
apply.
 
NR-0036 580/581/582 	Countermeasure for Unexpected Shut-off in Playing or
Recording 	5/16/79 	1 	download
<http://www.nakremotes.com/Images/Nak/NR-0036.pdf> 	 
NR-0037 	580/581/582 	Countermeasure for Unexpected Shut-off in
Playing or Recording 	8/20/79 	2 	download
<http://www.nakremotes.com/Images/Nak/NR-0037.pdf> 

 
Aloha,
Cheryl

  _____  

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Peter Tanner
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 11:39 AM
To: naktalk naktalk
Subject: [naktalk] 581 stops before the end of the tape


Thanks for your response Ron, Gerhard and Mark re this 581 stopping
unexpectedly. The stop mechanism belt is new. I have not tried C60 tapes but
90 and 100 show the same symptom. About 5 minutes before the tape ends the
deck stops. It happens erratically, one out 3 tapes, and particularly on
tapes that have been played on other decks before or tapes that have had
sections fast forwarded. Once the play button is pressed again the tapes
play all the way to the end. Fast forward and rewind are good and the idler
tire, though not new, seems to be fine. Guide height and head height and
azimuth are set up to Nak specs. Thanks again
 
Peter

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From mark8559 at hotmail.com  Sun Aug 14 03:52:24 2011
From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 19:52:24 -0600
Subject: FW: [naktalk] Leaking Capacitors - slightly offline
In-Reply-To: <CABa_+eF4ePPFqVq+g6ZL2HqJTzpasnFHbHQa3oRSPHsq-_qhpQ@mail.gmail.com>
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  I used an X-acto knife with a dull blade for the adhesive removal since many areas were tight.The knife also came in handy removing the adhesive under the smaller caps.Adhesive was 85% hard and 15% gooey.Also used a tweezers to pick up the bigger adhesive chunks from falling into the unit.After 30 minutes, all was well.Playing the BX-300 through the repaired preamp, it sounded great.Thank you Willy and Fred for the advice.Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 23:24:21 -0700
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Leaking Capacitors - slightly offline
From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com
To: naktalk at naks.com

Willy is absolutely right about this. Not only can the infamous "brown glue" conduct electricity, it is highly corrosive! It eats jumpers and component leads.

So yes, chip it away.

Fred
Classic Audio Repair

www.repairaudio.com

* * * * *

Hi Mark


What you're looking at is not a failed capacitor.  Many Japanese manufacturers during that era used an adhesive on the capacitors so they wouldn't be sheared off the circuit board by violent shipping.  It was discovered that the adhesive starts out white and with heat and age turns darker.  The only problem is that the darker it turns the more conductive it becomes and the stuff was laid over the bases of capacitors and adjacent components so it can cause all kinds of problems.  You should chip it off with a small probe or screwdriver, especially where it has flowed over the legs of other components but don't worry about it being liquid from the capacitors. 


Willy

On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 8:46 PM, Mark Exstedt <mark8559 at hotmail.com> wrote:








Can somebody advise me of leaking capacitors. I was told this is sometimes a problem with the Nak 600 series amp pop can size capacitors.
The picture shows a Yamaha C-45 preamp (which I believe) had a leaking capacitor problem. I thought the leaking stuff would be gooey, but it's rock hard (I'm assuming it was gooey at first).

Questions:Will the sound deteriorate on all leaking capacitor problems?Is repairing the problem expensive?Thanks.

 (picked up my 5th BX-300 today, Minty!)

 		 	   		  

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From perry.nak at comcast.net  Sun Aug 14 14:14:43 2011
From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 12:14:43 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] 581 stops
Message-ID: <1826390438-1313324083-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-801074714-@b25.c16.bise6.blackberry>

Normally when this happens it is a hardened idler that is slipping and the deck stops because the loop shows no tape take up which would indicate no take up reel movement. No reel table movement is detected and the dck goes into stop. It could also ne a weak or low voltage to the reel motor but that is less likely on a classic transport.
Perry Esposito - From my phone


From perry.nak at comcast.net  Sun Aug 14 14:24:29 2011
From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 12:24:29 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] 581 stops before end of tape
Message-ID: <1613956857-1313324669-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-136256077-@b25.c16.bise6.blackberry>

Nice catch Cheryl! Look at you! All expert on mechanisms now! Since I don't have any 5 series I never downloaded those so I wasn't even aware of an idler tension spring. 
Perry Esposito - From my phone


From kaupp240 at hotmail.com  Sun Aug 14 18:57:25 2011
From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp)
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 06:57:25 -1000
Subject: [naktalk] 581 stops before end of tape
In-Reply-To: <1613956857-1313324669-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-136256077-@b25.c16.bise6.blackberry>
References: <1613956857-1313324669-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-136256077-@b25.c16.bise6.blackberry>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP368F6E160819B6FF42FE07286270@phx.gbl>


I ran into the problem while fixing the 582 parts deck. 

With no replacement spring, I gave the existing spring a couple of twists to
make it bit tighter. Then I performed the the adjustment to the shut-off
assembly. It seems to be working fine now. Unfortunately, I'd kind of
forgotten about the technical docs when Peter first asked about this -- but
"unexpected shut-off" kept gnawing away at those dark recesses in the old
brain until the final "ah-ha" moment. 


-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of perry.nak at comcast.net
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 2:24 AM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] 581 stops before end of tape

Nice catch Cheryl! Look at you! All expert on mechanisms now! Since I don't
have any 5 series I never downloaded those so I wasn't even aware of an
idler tension spring. 
Perry Esposito - From my phone
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From ronami at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 15 16:07:31 2011
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 07:07:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] 581 stops
In-Reply-To: <1826390438-1313324083-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-801074714-@b25.c16.bise6.blackberry>
Message-ID: <1313417251.26884.YahooMailClassic@web130112.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


This is rather rare, though possible. 

Obviously, there is a problem with either takeup or 
with the sensor system. The first thing I would do 
is check takeup torque (most people don't have a 
torque meter, but placing a finger on the takeup 
hub in play mode with no cassette in the well can 
tell a lot, provided one has an experienced finger 
:-)  ).

With insufficient torque (more common, I think), I 
would thoroughly clean the idler mating surfaces. 
In stubborn cases, I use MEK (has to be done 
quickly, as MEK attacks rubber, plastics and human 
skin. Avoid breathing the fumes -- they're not good 
for the lungs, either). 

I would also check the two issues covered by the 
tech notes mentioned by Cheryl. I actually ran 
into a sticking sensor wheel a few years back. 
Once I realized what was happening, it was easy 
to fix.

-- Ron




--- On Sun, 8/14/11, perry.nak at comcast.net <perry.nak at comcast.net> wrote:

> From: perry.nak at comcast.net <perry.nak at comcast.net>
> Subject: [naktalk] 581 stops
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Date: Sunday, August 14, 2011, 8:14 AM
> Normally when this happens it is a
> hardened idler that is slipping and the deck stops because
> the loop shows no tape take up which would indicate no take
> up reel movement. No reel table movement is detected and the
> dck goes into stop. It could also ne a weak or low voltage
> to the reel motor but that is less likely on a classic
> transport.
> Perry Esposito - From my phone
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From perry.nak at comcast.net  Mon Aug 15 23:02:06 2011
From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 21:02:06 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Need Button for CR-7
Message-ID: <1262443043-1313442126-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-819125717-@b25.c16.bise6.blackberry>

I'm looking for the Fader Down button from either a CR-5 or 7, they have the same keyboard. I will purchase the whole keyboard if anyone has one for sale. Thanks!
Perry Esposito - From my phone


From joyell.solie at sasktel.net  Sun Aug 14 04:14:16 2011
From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 20:14:16 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] test tapes
Message-ID: <004b01cc5a27$defd7a40$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0>

I would like to purchase set of test tapes(or at least a speed reference tape). Where are we with the test tapes? who has the best ones?



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From uraldurusu at ttmail.com  Sun Aug 14 19:06:23 2011
From: uraldurusu at ttmail.com (Ural Durusu)
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 20:06:23 +0300
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Power Problem
References: <5320BBE536C44803939634C10E4EF758@surdokmdnb>
	<00a001cc56cf$e4e45510$aeacff30$@net>
Message-ID: <C9B717392816423BBE9268502CDE0BBA@surdokmdnb>

Thank you for all. I will take the deck to a service shop ask them to make necessary measurements which are mentioned here.

Regards,

Ural
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Adrian Mechner 
  To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:06 PM
  Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon Power Problem


  In my opinion as an engineer, even so I don't know about this particularly heat protection, I would do this:

  The heat protections which click usually are bimetal ones. That means it's a reaction of the material it's made of. The malfunction in time is called material fatigue. This can generate different values at which it shuts off (reacts to heat). No big deal; I would simply eliminate it since I know my deck works just fine.

  On the other hand, if the protection works fine, the must be suddenly a heat source... This would mean that some part is starting to heat up (very common for this decks). I would try first of all to find the heat source and go from there.

  If you say that the all around temperature is normal, I would eliminate the protection or find a replacement.

  Take care,

  Adrian 

   

  From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ural Durusu
  Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 6:24 AM
  To: naktalk at naks.com
  Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Power Problem

   

  Hello, Is there a thermal interlock at the power switch? When the deck is warm after one ore more playback hours, if I power off then power on, power switch does not click and lock. It locks after the deck is cooled down. I ve opened the top cover and blew air on to the power switch board and instantly lock the power switch. What can I do for this?

   

  Regards,

   

  Ural Durusu



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From koman56 at hol.gr  Sun Aug 14 21:15:36 2011
From: koman56 at hol.gr (Emmanouil Komninos)
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 22:15:36 +0300
Subject: [naktalk] Problem with a BX-300
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP2124C7D6BCEC23ECED0FFD3CF270@phx.gbl>

About a month ago i requested help in the forum for a BX 300 bought on 
German ebay that would not power up and had received many inputs from 
many knowledgeable Nak talkers.
I have finally got the deck back from my technician and the problem was 
in the power supply section as a (Nichicon) electrolytic capacitor had 
"blown up" most probably during power up....
But when i tried to play a recorded tape i noticed that my right peak 
level meter will not work and the left one would give level measuring 
higher than expected (it constantly stays in the +10db area only in very 
low sound paths will get lower. In blank music intervals and when the 
deck is only powered on  the left level meter will always be lit until 
the -35db level, (the 2 first red sections of the VU meter), i have no 
idea if this is normal with the BX 300 ...
The deck sounds good  in both channels.
When I tried some recordings i noticed a few strange (?) issues: First 
of all the source sounds worst than the tape during monitoring (!)........
Then, the recording level distorts when the rec controls are placed over 
level 3 on both channels. When i played the recording on my Dragon the 
level meters never went over the 0 db level....Of course i would not 
know what the level meters on the BX would  show as i made the recording 
using my ears... and again the right level meter is dead.
I have cleaned and demagnitized the heads but i know it has nothing to 
do with this problem.....
Any inputs of how to fix these problems  will be very much appreciated, 
and again thank everybody who contributed in the power supply fix!


From pbtanner at hotmail.com  Mon Aug 15 01:36:47 2011
From: pbtanner at hotmail.com (Peter Tanner)
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 23:36:47 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] 581 stops before end of tape
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP368F6E160819B6FF42FE07286270@phx.gbl>
References: <1613956857-1313324669-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-136256077-@b25.c16.bise6.blackberry>,
	<BLU0-SMTP368F6E160819B6FF42FE07286270@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <SNT127-W56A3851AB7621B2C45016EDF270@phx.gbl>


Thanks Cheryl, also Perry,

Apparently the problem was with the shut off mechanism rather than the idler tire spring. I pulled the mechanism out and found the pulley was too far from the holder. Must have gotten loose somehow. I adjusted it to the .3 to .5 mm range as per the doc you sent to me. Also the bulb was bent to the pulley almost touching it. I straightened that out and now it's playing just fine. The guy who sold me the deck had worked on it. Changed the reel motor amongst other things. I was surprised to see the motor dated to 86. I suppose while doing it he must have inadvertently done something to the shut off assembly. Anyway, it's good now, no more stops and thanks a million for those service info docs. I didn't even know they existed.
 
Peter
 
 
 > Subject: RE: [naktalk] 581 stops before end of tape
> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 06:57:25 -1000
> 
> 
> I ran into the problem while fixing the 582 parts deck. 
> 
> With no replacement spring, I gave the existing spring a couple of twists to
> make it bit tighter. Then I performed the the adjustment to the shut-off
> assembly. It seems to be working fine now. Unfortunately, I'd kind of
> forgotten about the technical docs when Peter first asked about this -- but
> "unexpected shut-off" kept gnawing away at those dark recesses in the old
> brain until the final "ah-ha" moment. 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
> Of perry.nak at comcast.net
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 2:24 AM
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] 581 stops before end of tape
> 
> Nice catch Cheryl! Look at you! All expert on mechanisms now! Since I don't
> have any 5 series I never downloaded those so I wasn't even aware of an
> idler tension spring. 
> Perry Esposito - From my phone
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From uraldurusu at ttmail.com  Mon Aug 15 18:32:34 2011
From: uraldurusu at ttmail.com (Ural Durusu)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 19:32:34 +0300
Subject: [naktalk] CR7 Tape Speed Problem
Message-ID: <F497B67515054DA1805891F54CC78760@surdokmdnb>

Hello,

My CR7 started to slowdown. During playback it reduces the tape speed. Sometimes when I stop and restart to playback it plays normally few seconds then slowsdown again. What can I do for this? I have cleaned all the rubber parts also cleaned the flywheel. The rubber belt seems okey but I amnot sure if it is tight enogh but there is no slippage during spinning. Could it be a voltage problem ?(because looks like operating with a weak battery) or anyother electronic failure. Thank you for any kind of help.

Regards,

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From pbtanner at hotmail.com  Mon Aug 15 20:09:40 2011
From: pbtanner at hotmail.com (Peter Tanner)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 18:09:40 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] 581 stops
In-Reply-To: <1313417251.26884.YahooMailClassic@web130112.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <1826390438-1313324083-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-801074714-@b25.c16.bise6.blackberry>,
	<1313417251.26884.YahooMailClassic@web130112.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Thanks, Ron, that's exactly what I did. Checked the tech notes from Cheryl's email. The sensor wheel and bulb were out of adjustment. After the correction the deck plays thru all tapes without stopping. What baffled me though and still is to some extent why it was only doing it towards the end of each tape. Thanks for the suggestions.
 
Peter
 

> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 07:07:31 -0700
> From: ronami at yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] 581 stops
> To: perry.nak at comcast.net; naktalk at naks.com
> CC: 
> 
> 
> This is rather rare, though possible. 
> 
> Obviously, there is a problem with either takeup or 
> with the sensor system. The first thing I would do 
> is check takeup torque (most people don't have a 
> torque meter, but placing a finger on the takeup 
> hub in play mode with no cassette in the well can 
> tell a lot, provided one has an experienced finger 
> :-) ).
> 
> With insufficient torque (more common, I think), I 
> would thoroughly clean the idler mating surfaces. 
> In stubborn cases, I use MEK (has to be done 
> quickly, as MEK attacks rubber, plastics and human 
> skin. Avoid breathing the fumes -- they're not good 
> for the lungs, either). 
> 
> I would also check the two issues covered by the 
> tech notes mentioned by Cheryl. I actually ran 
> into a sticking sensor wheel a few years back. 
> Once I realized what was happening, it was easy 
> to fix.
> 
> -- Ron
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- On Sun, 8/14/11, perry.nak at comcast.net <perry.nak at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> > From: perry.nak at comcast.net <perry.nak at comcast.net>
> > Subject: [naktalk] 581 stops
> > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > Date: Sunday, August 14, 2011, 8:14 AM
> > Normally when this happens it is a
> > hardened idler that is slipping and the deck stops because
> > the loop shows no tape take up which would indicate no take
> > up reel movement. No reel table movement is detected and the
> > dck goes into stop. It could also ne a weak or low voltage
> > to the reel motor but that is less likely on a classic
> > transport.
> > Perry Esposito - From my phone
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From hockeyeast at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 16 07:01:26 2011
From: hockeyeast at yahoo.com (Rich)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 01:01:26 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Dead zx-9
Message-ID: <15824830-72EE-4FCC-958A-28DE7DAACD65@yahoo.com>

Finally got my zx-9 and was loving it. Played some tapes and was doing a recording. Got one-half of a side done, flipped it over to continue.I Let it record until I noticed it had stopped. It won't play when you push play now. If you hit the play button without a tape the top on the right spins(ff&rewind), but the cap on the bottom won't. Belts look ok, so I am hoping it's not a motor. Don't know alot about this. Fuses look ok too. I already have a 680 at eslabs and it looks like this one might have to make a trip too. Your thoughts. 

Sent from my iPhone


From kaupp240 at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 17 22:01:11 2011
From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 10:01:11 -1000
Subject: [naktalk] 581 stops before end of tape
In-Reply-To: <SNT127-W56A3851AB7621B2C45016EDF270@phx.gbl>
References: <1613956857-1313324669-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-136256077-@b25.c16.bise6.blackberry>,
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Cool! 
 
The decks that folks worked on and gave up on, then sold on ebay, seem to
come with extra problems up to and including additional caps soldered into
circuits to try and address failures. The 582 I got seemed like just a belt
problem to begin with....YIKES!
 
The wiki has a lot of good information for DIYers.
 
Aloha,
Cheryl

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From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Peter Tanner
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 1:37 PM
To: naktalk naktalk
Subject: RE: [naktalk] 581 stops before end of tape


Thanks Cheryl, also Perry,

Apparently the problem was with the shut off mechanism rather than the idler
tire spring. I pulled the mechanism out and found the pulley was too far
from the holder. Must have gotten loose somehow. I adjusted it to the .3 to
.5 mm range as per the doc you sent to me. Also the bulb was bent to the
pulley almost touching it. I straightened that out and now it's playing just
fine. The guy who sold me the deck had worked on it. Changed the reel motor
amongst other things. I was surprised to see the motor dated to 86. I
suppose while doing it he must have inadvertently done something to the shut
off assembly. Anyway, it's good now, no more stops and thanks a million for
those service info docs. I didn't even know they existed.
 
Peter
 
 
 > Subject: RE: [naktalk] 581 stops before end of tape
> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 06:57:25 -1000
> 
> 
> I ran into the problem while fixing the 582 parts deck. 
> 
> With no replacement spring, I gave the existing spring a couple of twists
to
> make it bit tighter. Then I performed the the adjustment to the shut-off
> assembly. It seems to be working fine now. Unfortunately, I'd kind of
> forgotten about the technical docs when Peter first asked about this --
but
> "unexpected shut-off" kept gnawing away at those dark recesses in the old
> brain until the final "ah-ha" moment. 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
> Of perry.nak at comcast.net
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 2:24 AM
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] 581 stops before end of tape
> 
> Nice catch Cheryl! Look at you! All expert on mechanisms now! Since I
don't
> have any 5 series I never downloaded those so I wasn't even aware of an
> idler tension spring. 
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From luis at peromarta.org  Wed Aug 17 22:55:24 2011
From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 22:55:24 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] CR7 Tape Speed Problem
In-Reply-To: <F497B67515054DA1805891F54CC78760@surdokmdnb>
References: <F497B67515054DA1805891F54CC78760@surdokmdnb>
Message-ID: <CC6646FD-CFBA-4D62-BBB8-4566CB255BD8@peromarta.org>

Check soldering of driver's transistor. 

Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos.

El 15/08/2011, a las 18:32, "Ural Durusu" <uraldurusu at ttmail.com> escribió:

> Hello,
>  
> My CR7 started to slowdown. During playback it reduces the tape speed. Sometimes when I stop and restart to playback it plays normally few seconds then slowsdown again. What can I do for this? I have cleaned all the rubber parts also cleaned the flywheel. The rubber belt seems okey but I amnot sure if it is tight enogh but there is no slippage during spinning. Could it be a voltage problem ?(because looks like operating with a weak battery) or anyother electronic failure. Thank you for any kind of help.
>  
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>  
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From kaupp240 at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 18 00:57:34 2011
From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 12:57:34 -1000
Subject: [naktalk] test tapes
In-Reply-To: <004b01cc5a27$defd7a40$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0>
References: <004b01cc5a27$defd7a40$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP377DFA807869DB78C22E3CC86280@phx.gbl>

Tom Mageras makes an excellent tracking tape -- spendy but worth it.
 
Aloha,
Cheryl

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From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Rainer & Joy-Ell
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 4:14 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: [naktalk] test tapes


I would like to purchase set of test tapes(or at least a speed reference
tape). Where are we with the test tapes? who has the best ones?





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From tim.skorick at gmail.com  Wed Aug 17 20:19:35 2011
From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 13:19:35 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] test tapes
In-Reply-To: <004b01cc5a27$defd7a40$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0>
References: <004b01cc5a27$defd7a40$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0>
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I and some others on this list have been using Luis Peromarta's Nak test
tape clones with great success - I'd recommend checking those out.  He is
on

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From tim.skorick at gmail.com  Wed Aug 17 20:21:16 2011
From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 13:21:16 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] test tapes
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Sorry, my connection is causing my mail to flake - Luis is on this list but
you can find the information you need at http://naks.es/cal_tapes.html

-Tim

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From jmlevitz at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 17 22:32:34 2011
From: jmlevitz at yahoo.com (jayson levitz)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 13:32:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] CR7 Tape Speed Problem
In-Reply-To: <F497B67515054DA1805891F54CC78760@surdokmdnb>
Message-ID: <1313613154.55728.YahooMailClassic@web161906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Ural, does your CR7 have a rubber idler tire or the gear upgrade?  If it has the rubber tire, I suspect that this is the cause of your problem - it has worn down and is not making sufficient contact.  It must be replaced, or you can have the gear upgrade done, which will prevent this from ever happening again. 
 
Jayson

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From: Ural Durusu <uraldurusu at ttmail.com>
Subject: [naktalk] CR7 Tape Speed Problem
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Monday, August 15, 2011, 12:32 PM





Hello,
 
My CR7 started to slowdown. During playback it reduces the tape speed. Sometimes when I stop and restart to playback it plays normally few seconds then slowsdown again. What can I do for this? I have cleaned all the rubber parts also cleaned the flywheel. The rubber belt seems okey but I amnot sure if it is tight enogh but there is no slippage during spinning. Could it be a voltage problem ?(because looks like operating with a weak battery) or anyother electronic failure. Thank you for any kind of help.
 
Regards,
 
Ural Durusu
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From uraldurusu at ttmail.com  Thu Aug 18 12:07:40 2011
From: uraldurusu at ttmail.com (uraldurusu)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 13:07:40 +0300
Subject: YNT: [naktalk] CR7 Tape Speed Problem
References: <F497B67515054DA1805891F54CC78760@surdokmdnb>
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Can you give me some more explanation if it has a number on the PCB and where it is located on motor PCB or Power Supply PCB ?
 
Regards,
 
Ural Durusu

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Check soldering of driver's transistor. 

Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos.

El 15/08/2011, a las 18:32, "Ural Durusu" <uraldurusu at ttmail.com> escribió:



	Hello,
	 
	My CR7 started to slowdown. During playback it reduces the tape speed. Sometimes when I stop and restart to playback it plays normally few seconds then slowsdown again. What can I do for this? I have cleaned all the rubber parts also cleaned the flywheel. The rubber belt seems okey but I amnot sure if it is tight enogh but there is no slippage during spinning. Could it be a voltage problem ?(because looks like operating with a weak battery) or anyother electronic failure. Thank you for any kind of help.
	 
	Regards,
	 
	Ural Durusu

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From ronami at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 18 16:17:15 2011
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 07:17:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] 581 stops
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> What baffled me though [.......]  why it was only doing it towards 
> the end of each tape.

Takeup problems tend to show up at the end of cassette 
because required torque increases as radius of the tape 
cake on the takeup hub increases.

-- Ron




--- On Mon, 8/15/11, Peter Tanner <pbtanner at hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Peter Tanner <pbtanner at hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [naktalk] 581 stops
To: "naktalk naktalk" <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Monday, August 15, 2011, 2:09 PM






Thanks, Ron, that's exactly what I did. Checked the tech notes from Cheryl's email. The sensor wheel and bulb were out of adjustment. After the correction the deck plays thru all tapes without stopping. What baffled me though and still is to some extent why it was only doing it towards the end of each tape. Thanks for the suggestions.

 

Peter
 


> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 07:07:31 -0700
> From: ronami at yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] 581 stops
> To: perry.nak at comcast.net; naktalk at naks.com
> CC: 
> 
> 
> This is rather rare, though possible. 
> 
> Obviously, there is a problem with either takeup or 
> with the sensor system. The first thing I would do 
> is check takeup torque (most people don't have a 
> torque meter, but placing a finger on the takeup 
> hub in play mode with no cassette in the well can 
> tell a lot, provided one has an experienced finger 
> :-) ).
> 
> With insufficient torque (more common, I think), I 
> would thoroughly clean the idler mating surfaces. 
> In stubborn cases, I use MEK (has to be done 
> quickly, as MEK attacks rubber, plastics and human 
> skin. Avoid breathing the fumes -- they're not good 
> for the lungs, either). 
> 
> I would also check the two issues covered by the 
> tech notes mentioned by Cheryl. I actually ran 
> into a sticking sensor wheel a few years back. 
> Once I realized what was happening, it was easy 
> to fix.
> 
> -- Ron
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- On Sun, 8/14/11, perry.nak at comcast.net <perry.nak at comcast.net> wrote:
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> > From: perry.nak at comcast.net <perry.nak at comcast.net>
> > Subject: [naktalk] 581 stops
> > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > Date: Sunday, August 14, 2011, 8:14 AM
> > Normally when this happens it is a
> > hardened idler that is slipping and the deck stops because
> > the loop shows no tape take up which would indicate no take
> > up reel movement. No reel table movement is detected and the
> > dck goes into stop. It could also ne a weak or low voltage
> > to the reel motor but that is less likely on a classic
> > transport.
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