g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2003\2003-1.txt ************************************************************************ From blueswapper at angelfire.com Wed Jan 1 01:02:08 2003 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 16:02:08 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nak ZX-7 Owners Unite!!! Message-ID: Greetings..... I'd like to bring together those who possess a Nak ZX-7 cassette deck, and who wishes to discuss technical specifics and/or exchange information. Particularly, I'd like to find other collectors who enjoy using the Nak ZX-7, its many useful manual control features, and to share methods to get the most out of utilizing our superb analogue cassette decks. I've got a full technical review article from Audio Magazine (May 1982) and users/service manuals to share. Without recent success, I've been searching for an original Nak ZX-7 infomational sales brochure (full color version). Anyone have that brochure available to photo copy or digitally scan? Email me directly to make contact. Best regards, and happy holidays!!! K.J. Bleus Madison, Wisc USA --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html ____________________________________________________________ Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Wed Jan 1 08:57:15 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 09:57:15 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Happy New Year Message-ID: To all naktalkers and naktree members, have a great New Year and may 2003 be everything you hope for. Cheers, Marc The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From wheijke at xs4all.nl Wed Jan 1 12:22:06 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 12:22:06 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak ZX-7 Owners Unite!!! References: Message-ID: <3E12CF5D.28DDE197@xs4all.nl> Happy New Year! I'm the owner of one of these beauties! It's been one of my favorite Naks since the day they came to market, at my local Nakamichi dealer at that time! Then I was just too young and could only 'afford' to get the full color sales brochure, take it home and dream on... So a few years ago i bought one in great shape and loved it immedeately. I must say that after using it for some time and after getting a fully automated 1000zxl my love changed to this baby, it simply made more accurate calibrated tapes to me.... but they both have something special i must say! But still it's one of my favorite decks and i'll dig-up the brochure and scan it for the comminity! I also have the owners manual (somewhere), i only forgot if i have the Ducth, or also the English version or both...so i could make it available in pdf also some time... Wouter The BlueSwapper wrote: > Greetings..... > > I'd like to bring together those who possess a Nak ZX-7 cassette deck, and who wishes to discuss technical specifics and/or exchange information. Particularly, I'd like to find other collectors who enjoy using the Nak ZX-7, its many useful manual control features, and to share methods to get the most out of utilizing our superb analogue cassette decks. > > I've got a full technical review article from Audio Magazine (May 1982) and users/service manuals to share. Without recent success, I've been searching for an original Nak ZX-7 infomational sales brochure (full color version). Anyone have that brochure available to photo copy or digitally scan? Email me directly to make contact. > > Best regards, and happy holidays!!! > > K.J. Bleus > Madison, Wisc USA > > --- > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html > > ____________________________________________________________ > Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! > Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Wed Jan 1 01:34:24 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 11:34:24 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7E Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201E26@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Dusan. Welcome to the group. If you want my opinion get the CR7E, you won't regret it. Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Dusan [mailto:naktalk at email.si] Sent: Wednesday, 1 January 2003 3:20 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] CR-7E Hi, I'm new to this list. First of all, I would like to send everyone many greetings form Slovenija. I think I'm the first slovenian subscriber to this list. I have found a used CR-7E deck at some german delaler's homepage. He wants 500 Euros for it. He says it's in excellent shape and it is 8 years old. Do you think it is worth 500 Euros? If you don't mind, I would like to get some more info about this deck and I would appreciate your help. Can someone tell me when has Nakamichi stopped CR-7 production. Do you think tha 8 years old CR-7 already has gear upgrade? Do yu have any idea where could I get service manual for CR-7? Thank you very much and Happy New Year to you all! Dusan ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Wed Jan 1 01:39:28 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 11:39:28 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201E27@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi John. It all depends on whether you want to play the cd on a regular cd player. If yes then burn the cd using the large .wav file. I don't know much about Roxio software - I'm a Nero user myself, and have found using Nero that if you tell the software that you want to burn audio cd, and have selected .mp3 files, the software will do "on the fly" conversion to proper cd audio. Hope this helps. Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: John M. Tooley [mailto:jmtooley at ce.net] Sent: Wednesday, 1 January 2003 2:54 To: reeltoreel at yahoogroups.com Cc: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC I want to copy a deceased friends voice from cassette to CD. So ReVox B 215 to Creative Sound Blaster Augigy Soundcard to Roxio Easy CD Creator 5.3.2.34a / Spin Doctor which then I believe copies everything as a .wav file to my H/D. If this is so far correct do I then burn CD using the large .wav file or convert to MP3? Any and all help would be much appreciated. John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Wed Jan 1 18:03:59 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 22:33:59 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Sorry James!! Message-ID: <20030101170359.7A9C011491C@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From jmtooley at ce.net Wed Jan 1 18:32:32 2003 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 12:32:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Happy New Year References: Message-ID: <009201c2b1bb$c4559920$52106343@johnnyrotten> Same to you feller! Lets get back to Naktalk in a big way in 2003! John T. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hugo" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 2:57 AM Subject: [naktalk] Happy New Year > To all naktalkers and naktree members, have a great New Year and may 2003 be everything you hope for. > > Cheers, > > Marc > > The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject > to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more > attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the > named recipient/s. > > If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose > or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. > If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to > this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. > > All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present > in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising > from the use of this email or attachments. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > From roleo at telus.net Wed Jan 1 21:45:02 2003 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 12:45:02 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Dimensions Needed References: <004b01c2b0e8$6cca6560$8b05fad5@dusan> <3E121887.E4B86A02@rcn.com> Message-ID: <000701c2b1d6$a8ced480$05a2b742@desktop> Gentlemen! I recently bought a Dragon but it's still being being serviced so I haven't received it yet. However, I'm re-arranging my entertainment unit to make room for it. (I am also adding a new Marantz DVD player - DV4300 - as well as a new TASCAM CD-RW2000 Pro CD recorder to my system, so I'm very excited about my new additions.) My Dragon will join my recently serviced 680ZX so I'm set in the cassette department I believe. However I need someone who has a Dragon to tell me the exact height of the unit. The manual says 5 5/16". Does that include the feet or is that just the dimensions of the unit's housing / faceplate? If not what is the exact height of the Dragon from shelf to the top of the unit? Measurements either in inches or cm will be fine. Any help would be appreciated. Thanx, Roland From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jan 1 23:14:39 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 22:14:39 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak ZX-7 Owners Unite!!! Message-ID: <20030101221439.MHMM6395.fep02-svc.ttyl.com@localhost> Blues Consider me in ... ZX9 is just a dressed up ZX7 plus super-drive ... Gra' > > From: "The BlueSwapper" > Date: Wed 01/Jan/2003 00:02 GMT > To: NakChatt at yahoogroups.com, naktalk at naks.com > CC: blueswapper at angelfire.com > Subject: [naktalk] Nak ZX-7 Owners Unite!!! > > Greetings..... > > I'd like to bring together those who possess a Nak ZX-7 cassette deck, and who wishes to discuss technical specifics and/or exchange information. Particularly, I'd like to find other collectors who enjoy using the Nak ZX-7, its many useful manual control features, and to share methods to get the most out of utilizing our superb analogue cassette decks. > > I've got a full technical review article from Audio Magazine (May 1982) and users/service manuals to share. Without recent success, I've been searching for an original Nak ZX-7 infomational sales brochure (full color version). Anyone have that brochure available to photo copy or digitally scan? Email me directly to make contact. > > Best regards, and happy holidays!!! > > K.J. Bleus > Madison, Wisc USA > > --- > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! > Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > __________________________________________________________________________ Freeserve AnyTime - Go online whenever you want for just £6.99 a month for your first 3 months, that's HALF PRICE! And then it's just £13.99 a month after that. For more information visit http://www.freeserve.com/time/ or call free on 0800 970 8890 From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Thu Jan 2 07:19:55 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 08:19:55 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Dimensions Needed: WALTER DREWES!! Message-ID: Hi Walter!!!! Would you be able to help Roland with the "practical" dimensions for the firey beast? i.E. On her feet....... I ring you later. Cheers, Marc >>> roleo at telus.net 01/01/03 10:45PM >>> Gentlemen! I recently bought a Dragon but it's still being being serviced so I haven't received it yet. However, I'm re-arranging my entertainment unit to make room for it. (I am also adding a new Marantz DVD player - DV4300 - as well as a new TASCAM CD-RW2000 Pro CD recorder to my system, so I'm very excited about my new additions.) My Dragon will join my recently serviced 680ZX so I'm set in the cassette department I believe. However I need someone who has a Dragon to tell me the exact height of the unit. The manual says 5 5/16". Does that include the feet or is that just the dimensions of the unit's housing / faceplate? If not what is the exact height of the Dragon from shelf to the top of the unit? Measurements either in inches or cm will be fine. Any help would be appreciated. Thanx, Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From samithas at srilankan.lk Thu Jan 2 08:05:43 2003 From: samithas at srilankan.lk (Samitha Samaraweera) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 13:05:43 +0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nak ZX-7 Owners Unite!!! Message-ID: Greetings....... Its nice to hear that ZX7 is used by many. I also own a ZX9, the improved ZX7. Both are considered as good machines by Nak fans. Best Regards Samitha -----Original Message----- From: The BlueSwapper [mailto:blueswapper at angelfire.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 6:02 AM To: NakChatt at yahoogroups.com; naktalk at naks.com Cc: blueswapper at angelfire.com Subject: [naktalk] Nak ZX-7 Owners Unite!!! Greetings..... I'd like to bring together those who possess a Nak ZX-7 cassette deck, and who wishes to discuss technical specifics and/or exchange information. Particularly, I'd like to find other collectors who enjoy using the Nak ZX-7, its many useful manual control features, and to share methods to get the most out of utilizing our superb analogue cassette decks. I've got a full technical review article from Audio Magazine (May 1982) and users/service manuals to share. Without recent success, I've been searching for an original Nak ZX-7 infomational sales brochure (full color version). Anyone have that brochure available to photo copy or digitally scan? Email me directly to make contact. Best regards, and happy holidays!!! K.J. Bleus Madison, Wisc USA --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html ____________________________________________________________ Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmueller4 at earthlink.net Thu Jan 2 08:19:43 2003 From: jmueller4 at earthlink.net (Jim Mueller) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 02:19:43 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Dimensions Needed References: <004b01c2b0e8$6cca6560$8b05fad5@dusan> <3E121887.E4B86A02@rcn.com> <000701c2b1d6$a8ced480$05a2b742@desktop> Message-ID: <003e01c2b22f$551ce800$a4c661d8@primeevil> The height of my Dragon is a hair more than 5 1/4", including feet - so the manual is including the feet in the height dimension. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roland Alford" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 3:45 PM Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Dimensions Needed > Gentlemen! > > I recently bought a Dragon but it's still being being serviced so I haven't > received it yet. However, I'm re-arranging my entertainment unit to make > room for it. (I am also adding a new Marantz DVD player - DV4300 - as well > as a new TASCAM CD-RW2000 Pro CD recorder to my system, so I'm very excited > about my new additions.) > > My Dragon will join my recently serviced 680ZX so I'm set in the cassette > department I believe. > > However I need someone who has a Dragon to tell me the exact height of the > unit. The manual says 5 5/16". Does that include the feet or is that just > the dimensions of the unit's housing / faceplate? If not what is the exact > height of the Dragon from shelf to the top of the unit? Measurements either > in inches or cm will be fine. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Thanx, > Roland > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From ereidinger at foresightcorp.com Thu Jan 2 14:07:01 2003 From: ereidinger at foresightcorp.com (Eric Reidinger) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 08:07:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC Message-ID: Hi John, Roxio has a split function that can be turned off, it looks for silence and then assumes it is a split, most people use this when they record from an LP and want the tool to put in the track breaks, I have never had great success with it and gave up trying to use it. I would turn it off and then listen to the file while recording and manually split them. If you are peaking in the green then the recording level is tool low. You don't want to go into the red since this will produce an ungodley distortion but you should get into the last yellow bar at the highest volume point in the file you are trying to record. As a rule the level has nothing to do with the split but you can try it. Depending on how much of this you will be doing will dictate what other tools you may want to invest in. There is a great set of recording tools put out by digitools, www.digitools.com I think. the entire package of tools is about $300 to $400 US, but it gives you millisecond control using the wave signature as a guide. The nice thing is the control over volume, depth of presence, and other efforts. For Voice I would just turn off the split function in Spin Doctor and start and stop it manually at the naturally occuring break points in the recording, much as you would do if you were producing an reel to reel or cassette recording. Hope this helps. Eric -----Original Message----- From: John M. Tooley [mailto:jmtooley at ce.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 4:29 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC Eric, I'm getting many "split" .wav files, even on the same piece of musical. What produces splits, recording level? I peaked with the green leds but beyond that are three yellow bars before a red bar. Perhaps if my levels were slightly higher she wouldn't split! John T. ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric Reidinger To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 11:10 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC Hi John, If you are using Roxio Easy CD creator 5.X then simply bring up the main splash screen and choose audio CD project, it will bring up a secondary screen where you select the WAV file location from your HD and then simply hit the record button - it is a red button to bring up the record options. I am assuming you have a cd burner attached to your PC. For creating an MP3 I use a seperate program that is freeware from TUCOWS, www.tucows.com, called DBPOWERAMP to do the conversion, it works better than the one utility that is included in the Roxio package. Convert the WAV to the MP3 (LAME) and then select off the Roxio main splashscreen - MP3 project. it will bring up the select MP3 option and then select record button and it will create the MP3 project for you on the CD. If you need more simply let me know. Regards, Eric -----Original Message----- From: John M. Tooley [mailto:jmtooley at ce.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 10:54 AM To: reeltoreel at yahoogroups.com Cc: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC I want to copy a deceased friends voice from cassette to CD. So ReVox B 215 to Creative Sound Blaster Augigy Soundcard to Roxio Easy CD Creator 5.3.2.34a / Spin Doctor which then I believe copies everything as a .wav file to my H/D. If this is so far correct do I then burn CD using the large .wav file or convert to MP3? Any and all help would be much appreciated. John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmtooley at ce.net Thu Jan 2 15:51:46 2003 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 09:51:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC References: Message-ID: <005c01c2b26e$79438510$5f106343@johnnyrotten> Eric, Got it, thank you. I'll go see if I can find that split switch. Cheers, John T. ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric Reidinger To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 8:07 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC Hi John, Roxio has a split function that can be turned off, it looks for silence and then assumes it is a split, most people use this when they record from an LP and want the tool to put in the track breaks, I have never had great success with it and gave up trying to use it. I would turn it off and then listen to the file while recording and manually split them. If you are peaking in the green then the recording level is tool low. You don't want to go into the red since this will produce an ungodley distortion but you should get into the last yellow bar at the highest volume point in the file you are trying to record. As a rule the level has nothing to do with the split but you can try it. Depending on how much of this you will be doing will dictate what other tools you may want to invest in. There is a great set of recording tools put out by digitools, www.digitools.com I think. the entire package of tools is about $300 to $400 US, but it gives you millisecond control using the wave signature as a guide. The nice thing is the control over volume, depth of presence, and other efforts. For Voice I would just turn off the split function in Spin Doctor and start and stop it manually at the naturally occuring break points in the recording, much as you would do if you were producing an reel to reel or cassette recording. Hope this helps. Eric -----Original Message----- From: John M. Tooley [mailto:jmtooley at ce.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 4:29 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC Eric, I'm getting many "split" .wav files, even on the same piece of musical. What produces splits, recording level? I peaked with the green leds but beyond that are three yellow bars before a red bar. Perhaps if my levels were slightly higher she wouldn't split! John T. ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric Reidinger To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 11:10 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC Hi John, If you are using Roxio Easy CD creator 5.X then simply bring up the main splash screen and choose audio CD project, it will bring up a secondary screen where you select the WAV file location from your HD and then simply hit the record button - it is a red button to bring up the record options. I am assuming you have a cd burner attached to your PC. For creating an MP3 I use a seperate program that is freeware from TUCOWS, www.tucows.com, called DBPOWERAMP to do the conversion, it works better than the one utility that is included in the Roxio package. Convert the WAV to the MP3 (LAME) and then select off the Roxio main splashscreen - MP3 project. it will bring up the select MP3 option and then select record button and it will create the MP3 project for you on the CD. If you need more simply let me know. Regards, Eric -----Original Message----- From: John M. Tooley [mailto:jmtooley at ce.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 10:54 AM To: reeltoreel at yahoogroups.com Cc: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC I want to copy a deceased friends voice from cassette to CD. So ReVox B 215 to Creative Sound Blaster Augigy Soundcard to Roxio Easy CD Creator 5.3.2.34a / Spin Doctor which then I believe copies everything as a .wav file to my H/D. If this is so far correct do I then burn CD using the large .wav file or convert to MP3? Any and all help would be much appreciated. John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ereidinger at foresightcorp.com Thu Jan 2 16:07:03 2003 From: ereidinger at foresightcorp.com (Eric Reidinger) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 10:07:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC Message-ID: Hi John, When you bring up Spin Doctor there should be an options switch and to the best of my recollection there are 4 or 5 settings you can adjust, pop and hiss, split and 2 others. Since most of what I do invloves recording from LP and the like I went out and procured a TEAC CD recorder for my use. Good luck and Happy New Year. Eric -----Original Message----- From: John M. Tooley [mailto:jmtooley at ce.net] Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 9:52 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC Eric, Got it, thank you. I'll go see if I can find that split switch. Cheers, John T. ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric Reidinger To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 8:07 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC Hi John, Roxio has a split function that can be turned off, it looks for silence and then assumes it is a split, most people use this when they record from an LP and want the tool to put in the track breaks, I have never had great success with it and gave up trying to use it. I would turn it off and then listen to the file while recording and manually split them. If you are peaking in the green then the recording level is tool low. You don't want to go into the red since this will produce an ungodley distortion but you should get into the last yellow bar at the highest volume point in the file you are trying to record. As a rule the level has nothing to do with the split but you can try it. Depending on how much of this you will be doing will dictate what other tools you may want to invest in. There is a great set of recording tools put out by digitools, www.digitools.com I think. the entire package of tools is about $300 to $400 US, but it gives you millisecond control using the wave signature as a guide. The nice thing is the control over volume, depth of presence, and other efforts. For Voice I would just turn off the split function in Spin Doctor and start and stop it manually at the naturally occuring break points in the recording, much as you would do if you were producing an reel to reel or cassette recording. Hope this helps. Eric -----Original Message----- From: John M. Tooley [mailto:jmtooley at ce.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 4:29 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC Eric, I'm getting many "split" .wav files, even on the same piece of musical. What produces splits, recording level? I peaked with the green leds but beyond that are three yellow bars before a red bar. Perhaps if my levels were slightly higher she wouldn't split! John T. ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric Reidinger To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 11:10 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC Hi John, If you are using Roxio Easy CD creator 5.X then simply bring up the main splash screen and choose audio CD project, it will bring up a secondary screen where you select the WAV file location from your HD and then simply hit the record button - it is a red button to bring up the record options. I am assuming you have a cd burner attached to your PC. For creating an MP3 I use a seperate program that is freeware from TUCOWS, www.tucows.com, called DBPOWERAMP to do the conversion, it works better than the one utility that is included in the Roxio package. Convert the WAV to the MP3 (LAME) and then select off the Roxio main splashscreen - MP3 project. it will bring up the select MP3 option and then select record button and it will create the MP3 project for you on the CD. If you need more simply let me know. Regards, Eric -----Original Message----- From: John M. Tooley [mailto:jmtooley at ce.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 10:54 AM To: reeltoreel at yahoogroups.com Cc: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC I want to copy a deceased friends voice from cassette to CD. So ReVox B 215 to Creative Sound Blaster Augigy Soundcard to Roxio Easy CD Creator 5.3.2.34a / Spin Doctor which then I believe copies everything as a .wav file to my H/D. If this is so far correct do I then burn CD using the large .wav file or convert to MP3? Any and all help would be much appreciated. John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From roleo at telus.net Thu Jan 2 16:14:33 2003 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 07:14:33 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Dimensions Needed References: <004b01c2b0e8$6cca6560$8b05fad5@dusan> <3E121887.E4B86A02@rcn.com> <000701c2b1d6$a8ced480$05a2b742@desktop> <003e01c2b22f$551ce800$a4c661d8@primeevil> Message-ID: <000d01c2b271$a7be7280$05a2b742@desktop> Thanx very much Jim! Much appreciated. Roland ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Mueller" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 11:19 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Dimensions Needed > The height of my Dragon is a hair more than 5 1/4", including feet - so the > manual is including the feet in the height dimension. > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roland Alford" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 3:45 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Dimensions Needed > > > > Gentlemen! > > > > I recently bought a Dragon but it's still being being serviced so I > haven't > > received it yet. However, I'm re-arranging my entertainment unit to make > > room for it. (I am also adding a new Marantz DVD player - DV4300 - as > well > > as a new TASCAM CD-RW2000 Pro CD recorder to my system, so I'm very > excited > > about my new additions.) > > > > My Dragon will join my recently serviced 680ZX so I'm set in the cassette > > department I believe. > > > > However I need someone who has a Dragon to tell me the exact height of the > > unit. The manual says 5 5/16". Does that include the feet or is that > just > > the dimensions of the unit's housing / faceplate? If not what is the > exact > > height of the Dragon from shelf to the top of the unit? Measurements > either > > in inches or cm will be fine. > > > > Any help would be appreciated. > > > > Thanx, > > Roland > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > From mariano at starnet.net.ph Thu Jan 2 16:31:05 2003 From: mariano at starnet.net.ph (Mariano L. Honrado, Jr.) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 23:31:05 +0800 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Dimensions Needed References: <004b01c2b0e8$6cca6560$8b05fad5@dusan> <3E121887.E4B86A02@rcn.com> <000701c2b1d6$a8ced480$05a2b742@desktop> <003e01c2b22f$551ce800$a4c661d8@primeevil> Message-ID: <000c01c2b274$126a9300$530ab0cb@honrado7ignxhf> Hello Jim and Roland: I'm looking at my Dragon and my ruler says a hair LESS than 5-3/4 inches (14.5 centimeters) from shelf to top of the unit. The manual is dead spot on 5-5/16 inches on the faceplace height alone. Hope this helps (or I need new glasses!). Cheers! Mariano ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Mueller" To: Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Dimensions Needed > The height of my Dragon is a hair more than 5 1/4", including feet - so the > manual is including the feet in the height dimension. > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roland Alford" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 3:45 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Dimensions Needed > > > > Gentlemen! > > > > I recently bought a Dragon but it's still being being serviced so I > haven't > > received it yet. However, I'm re-arranging my entertainment unit to make > > room for it. (I am also adding a new Marantz DVD player - DV4300 - as > well > > as a new TASCAM CD-RW2000 Pro CD recorder to my system, so I'm very > excited > > about my new additions.) > > > > My Dragon will join my recently serviced 680ZX so I'm set in the cassette > > department I believe. > > > > However I need someone who has a Dragon to tell me the exact height of the > > unit. The manual says 5 5/16". Does that include the feet or is that > just > > the dimensions of the unit's housing / faceplate? If not what is the > exact > > height of the Dragon from shelf to the top of the unit? Measurements > either > > in inches or cm will be fine. > > > > Any help would be appreciated. > > > > Thanx, > > Roland > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From roleo at telus.net Thu Jan 2 16:39:11 2003 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 07:39:11 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Dimensions Needed References: <004b01c2b0e8$6cca6560$8b05fad5@dusan> <3E121887.E4B86A02@rcn.com> <000701c2b1d6$a8ced480$05a2b742@desktop> <003e01c2b22f$551ce800$a4c661d8@primeevil> <000c01c2b274$126a9300$530ab0cb@honrado7ignxhf> Message-ID: <002d01c2b275$191c0660$05a2b742@desktop> That's interesting! I wonder if some decks came with "low profile" feet? I know some manufacturers do that with decks that are built for rack mounting. Jim was yours such a deck by chance? Roland ----- Original Message ----- From: Mariano L. Honrado, Jr. To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 7:31 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Dimensions Needed Hello Jim and Roland: I'm looking at my Dragon and my ruler says a hair LESS than 5-3/4 inches (14.5 centimeters) from shelf to top of the unit. The manual is dead spot on 5-5/16 inches on the faceplace height alone. Hope this helps (or I need new glasses!). Cheers! Mariano ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Mueller" To: Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Dimensions Needed > The height of my Dragon is a hair more than 5 1/4", including feet - so the > manual is including the feet in the height dimension. > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roland Alford" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 3:45 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Dimensions Needed > > > > Gentlemen! > > > > I recently bought a Dragon but it's still being being serviced so I > haven't > > received it yet. However, I'm re-arranging my entertainment unit to make > > room for it. (I am also adding a new Marantz DVD player - DV4300 - as > well > > as a new TASCAM CD-RW2000 Pro CD recorder to my system, so I'm very > excited > > about my new additions.) > > > > My Dragon will join my recently serviced 680ZX so I'm set in the cassette > > department I believe. > > > > However I need someone who has a Dragon to tell me the exact height of the > > unit. The manual says 5 5/16". Does that include the feet or is that > just > > the dimensions of the unit's housing / faceplate? If not what is the > exact > > height of the Dragon from shelf to the top of the unit? Measurements > either > > in inches or cm will be fine. > > > > Any help would be appreciated. > > > > Thanx, > > Roland > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From John at jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk Thu Jan 2 17:17:25 2003 From: John at jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 16:17:25 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC References: Message-ID: <3E146615.1050700@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Eric wrote: "Hi John, Roxio has a split function that can be turned off, it looks for silence and then assumes it is a split, most people use this when they record from an LP and want the tool to put in the track breaks, I have never had great success with it and gave up trying to use it. I would turn it off and then listen to the file while recording and manually split them. If you are peaking in the green then the recording level is tool low. You don't want to go into the red since this will produce an ungodley distortion but you should get into the last yellow bar at the highest volume point in the file you are trying to record. As a rule the level has nothing to do with the split but you can try it. Depending on how much of this you will be doing will dictate what other tools you may want to invest in. There is a great set of recording tools put out by digitools, www.digitools.com I think. the entire package of tools is about $300 to $400 US, but it gives you millisecond control using the wave signature as a guide. The nice thing is the control over volume, depth of presence, and other efforts. For Voice I would just turn off the split function in Spin Doctor and start and stop it manually at the naturally occuring break points in the recording, much as you would do if you were producing an reel to reel or cassette recording. Hope this helps. Eric" Syntrillium's CoolEdit 2000 does the same job - it allows you to set split points manually to considerable precision. It also has a facility that automatically creates each .WAV file for you once you have manually marked the points at which you wish to split tracks. Finally, it costs quite a lot less - USD80 or so. (I have no connection with Syntrillium, by the way) John Walker From jmueller4 at earthlink.net Thu Jan 2 20:23:17 2003 From: jmueller4 at earthlink.net (jmueller4 at earthlink.net) Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 11:23:17 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Dimensions Needed Message-ID: Mine is an American unit, purchased in the late 80's, and is not rackmountable so far as I can tell. I'm not at home right now, but can get details later. My feet, er, my Dragon's feet more specifically, are made from black rubber and are circular. On Thu, 2 Jan 2003 07:39:11 -0800 Roland Alford wrote: > That's interesting!� I wonder if some > decks > came with "low profile" feet?� I know some > manufacturers do that with decks > that are built for rack mounting.� Jim was > yours such a deck by > chance? > � > Roland > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > href="mailto:mariano at starnet.net.ph">Mariano > L. Honrado, Jr. > To: > href="mailto:naktalk at naks.com">naktalk at naks.com > > Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 7:31 > AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Dimensions > Needed > > Hello Jim and Roland: > � > I'm looking at my Dragon and my ruler says a > hair > LESS than 5-3/4 inches (14.5 centimeters) > from shelf to top > of the unit. > � > The manual is dead spot�on 5-5/16 > inches�on the faceplace height alone. > � > Hope this helps (or I need new > glasses!). > � > Cheers! > � > Mariano > � > � > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Mueller" < > href="mailto:jmueller4 at earthlink.net">jmueller4 at earthlink.net> > To: < > href="mailto:naktalk at naks.com">naktalk at naks.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 3:19 > PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Dimensions > Needed > > The height of my Dragon is a hair more > than 5 1/4", including feet > - so the> manual is including the feet in > the height dimension.> > > Jim> > ----- Original Message > -----> From: > "Roland Alford" < href="mailto:roleo at telus.net">roleo at telus.net>> > To: > < href="mailto:naktalk at naks.com">naktalk at naks.com>> > Sent: > Wednesday, January 01, 2003 3:45 PM> > Subject: [naktalk] Dragon > Dimensions Needed> > > > > Gentlemen!> > >> > I recently bought a Dragon but > it's still being being > serviced so I> haven't> > received > it yet.� However, I'm > re-arranging my entertainment unit to > make> > room for it.� (I > am also adding a new Marantz DVD player - > DV4300 - as> well> > > as a new TASCAM CD-RW2000 Pro CD > recorder to my system, so I'm > very> excited> > about my new > additions.)> > >> > My Dragon will join my recently > serviced 680ZX so I'm set in > the cassette> > department I > believe.> >> > > However I need someone who has a Dragon to > tell me the exact height of > the> > unit.� The manual says 5 > 5/16".� Does that include > the feet or is that> just> > the > dimensions of the unit's > housing / faceplate?� If not what is > the> exact> > > height of the Dragon from shelf to the top of > the unit?� > Measurements> either> > in inches or > cm will be fine.> > >> > Any help would be > appreciated.> >> > > Thanx,> > Roland> >> >> > >> > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------==> > > =======> > > >��������������������������� > > href="mailto:Naktalk at naks.com">Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist> > > To maintain your account please go > here:> > href="http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk">http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> > >> > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------==> > > =======> > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------=========> > > > �������������������������� > > href="mailto:Naktalk at naks.com">Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist> > To maintain your account please go here: > href="http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk">http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------=========> > > > From alex at autoconsortium.com Thu Jan 2 20:57:50 2003 From: alex at autoconsortium.com (Alex Cagann) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 14:57:50 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Dimensions Needed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: When you check tonight, I think you'll find they are hard plastic with a tiny rubber spot on the bottom. If not, then there are rubber feet out there as well, and very well may be the reason for height differences. My RX505 has the same feet as my Dragon and the 505 was built in 84. Alex Cagann > Mine is an American unit, purchased in the late 80's, and is not > rackmountable > so far as I can tell. I'm not at home right now, but can get > details later. My > feet, er, my Dragon's feet more specifically, are made from black > rubber and > are circular. From sambarr at netzero.net Thu Jan 2 03:14:08 2003 From: sambarr at netzero.net (samuelbarr@hotmail.com) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 20:14:08 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Happy New Year References: <009201c2b1bb$c4559920$52106343@johnnyrotten> Message-ID: Happy New Year to you all! May 2003 be full of joy and prosperity for you all! -Sam ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Tooley" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 11:32 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy New Year > Same to you feller! Lets get back to Naktalk in a big way in 2003! > > John T. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Hugo" > To: ; > Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 2:57 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Happy New Year > > > > To all naktalkers and naktree members, have a great New Year and may 2003 > be everything you hope for. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Marc > > > > The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject > > to legal privilege. 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I didn't check the durometer of the material last night. It appears to have been manufactured in autumn of 1989, judging by the circle with the 89 in the center, and the 7-8-9 on the top half of it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cagann" To: Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 2:57 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon Dimensions Needed > When you check tonight, I think you'll find they are hard plastic with a > tiny rubber spot on the bottom. If not, then there are rubber feet out there > as well, and very well may be the reason for height differences. My RX505 > has the same feet as my Dragon and the 505 was built in 84. > > Alex Cagann > > > Mine is an American unit, purchased in the late 80's, and is not > > rackmountable > > so far as I can tell. I'm not at home right now, but can get > > details later. My > > feet, er, my Dragon's feet more specifically, are made from black > > rubber and > > are circular. > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From roleo at telus.net Fri Jan 3 01:28:20 2003 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 16:28:20 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Dimensions Needed References: <000c01c2b2bc$e876a2c0$c0d261d8@primeevil> Message-ID: <000901c2b2bf$04f1ac40$05a2b742@desktop> Jim, that deck must have been a deck designed for rack mounting. If you check the Nak.com website it shows that some models of Dragon were designed to have the 19" rackmount ear's added. Maybe it was an option, but that probably accounts for the difference. Thanx guys for your help. Only problem is, I don't which mine will be! Oh well! Back to square one...I'll e-mail the seller. --Roland ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Mueller" To: Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 4:13 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Dimensions Needed > You're right - they're hard plastic, with a smooth piece of adhesive > covering what appears to be black felt cloth. I didn't check the durometer > of the material last night. > > It appears to have been manufactured in autumn of 1989, judging by the > circle with the 89 in the center, and the 7-8-9 on the top half of it. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alex Cagann" > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 2:57 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon Dimensions Needed > > > > When you check tonight, I think you'll find they are hard plastic with a > > tiny rubber spot on the bottom. If not, then there are rubber feet out > there > > as well, and very well may be the reason for height differences. My RX505 > > has the same feet as my Dragon and the 505 was built in 84. > > > > Alex Cagann > > > > > Mine is an American unit, purchased in the late 80's, and is not > > > rackmountable > > > so far as I can tell. I'm not at home right now, but can get > > > details later. My > > > feet, er, my Dragon's feet more specifically, are made from black > > > rubber and > > > are circular. > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > From jmueller4 at earthlink.net Fri Jan 3 02:16:31 2003 From: jmueller4 at earthlink.net (Jim Mueller) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 20:16:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Dimensions Needed References: <000c01c2b2bc$e876a2c0$c0d261d8@primeevil> <000901c2b2bf$04f1ac40$05a2b742@desktop> Message-ID: <001c01c2b2c5$c161f8c0$c0d261d8@primeevil> I'm not convinced that I have the rackmountable version. I was hoping naks.com would show a sample of what one would look like with either rails or mounted. Wish I would have known about the ears when they were still available. They'd get just as much use as that wired remote control! I have two amps which have extended faceplates for rackmounting and removeable handles. The width of the Dragon is wider than the chassis of both amps, and I believe that the front bolt holes would be very close to the bend of an L-bracket to mount in the same rack as the amps. Of course, I'm not all that familiar with rack mount audio; more familiar with rackmount servers. So, perhaps my thoughts are flawed...it has happened before :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roland Alford" To: Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 7:28 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Dimensions Needed > Jim, that deck must have been a deck designed for rack mounting. > > If you check the Nak.com website it shows that some models of Dragon were > designed to have the 19" rackmount ear's added. Maybe it was an option, but > that probably accounts for the difference. > > Thanx guys for your help. Only problem is, I don't which mine will be! > > Oh well! Back to square one...I'll e-mail the seller. > > --Roland > > ---snip--- From ereidinger at foresightcorp.com Fri Jan 3 15:16:14 2003 From: ereidinger at foresightcorp.com (Eric Reidinger) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:16:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC Message-ID: Hi John, I have used cooledit and it is a great package, I like the wave display over digitools and I have no connection with any package, I should have put in this disclaimer before. Regards, Eric -----Original Message----- From: John Walker [mailto:John at jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 11:17 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC Eric wrote: "Hi John, Roxio has a split function that can be turned off, it looks for silence and then assumes it is a split, most people use this when they record from an LP and want the tool to put in the track breaks, I have never had great success with it and gave up trying to use it. I would turn it off and then listen to the file while recording and manually split them. If you are peaking in the green then the recording level is tool low. You don't want to go into the red since this will produce an ungodley distortion but you should get into the last yellow bar at the highest volume point in the file you are trying to record. As a rule the level has nothing to do with the split but you can try it. Depending on how much of this you will be doing will dictate what other tools you may want to invest in. There is a great set of recording tools put out by digitools, www.digitools.com I think. the entire package of tools is about $300 to $400 US, but it gives you millisecond control using the wave signature as a guide. The nice thing is the control over volume, depth of presence, and other efforts. For Voice I would just turn off the split function in Spin Doctor and start and stop it manually at the naturally occuring break points in the recording, much as you would do if you were producing an reel to reel or cassette recording. Hope this helps. Eric" Syntrillium's CoolEdit 2000 does the same job - it allows you to set split points manually to considerable precision. It also has a facility that automatically creates each .WAV file for you once you have manually marked the points at which you wish to split tracks. Finally, it costs quite a lot less - USD80 or so. (I have no connection with Syntrillium, by the way) John Walker ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Fri Jan 3 18:05:14 2003 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 12:05:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC References: Message-ID: <00f601c2b34a$4eb064d0$0c116343@johnnyrotten> I just d/l their 2000 with 30 day free use. After playing their demo Windows XP closes 2000 down. I uninstalled it, rebooted and d/l again, same thing! I'll call them. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Reidinger" To: Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 9:16 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC > Hi John, > > I have used cooledit and it is a great package, I like the wave display over digitools and I have no connection with any package, I should have put in this disclaimer before. > > Regards, > > Eric > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Walker [mailto:John at jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk] > Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 11:17 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC > > > Eric wrote: > "Hi John, > > Roxio has a split function that can be turned off, it looks for silence > and then assumes it is a split, most people use this when they record > from an LP and want the tool to put in the track breaks, I have never > had great success with it and gave up trying to use it. I would turn it > off and then listen to the file while recording and manually split > them. If you are peaking in the green then the recording level is tool > low. You don't want to go into the red since this will produce an > ungodley distortion but you should get into the last yellow bar at the > highest volume point in the file you are trying to record. As a rule > the level has nothing to do with the split but you can try it. > > Depending on how much of this you will be doing will dictate what other > tools you may want to invest in. There is a great set of recording > tools put out by digitools, www.digitools.com > I think. the entire package of tools is about $300 to $400 US, but it > gives you millisecond control using the wave signature as a guide. The > nice thing is the control over volume, depth of presence, and other > efforts. For Voice I would just turn off the split function in Spin > Doctor and start and stop it manually at the naturally occuring break > points in the recording, much as you would do if you were producing an > reel to reel or cassette recording. > > Hope this helps. > > Eric" > > Syntrillium's CoolEdit 2000 does the same job - it allows you to set > split points manually to considerable precision. It also has a facility > that automatically creates each .WAV file for you once you have > manually marked the points at which you wish to split tracks. Finally, > it costs quite a lot less - USD80 or so. (I have no connection with > Syntrillium, by the way) > > John Walker > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Fri Jan 3 04:35:31 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 14:35:31 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Happy New Year Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201E28@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Same to you mate. Happy 2003! -----Original Message----- From: Mark Hugo [mailto:Mhugo at sunint.co.za] Sent: Wednesday, 1 January 2003 6:57 To: naktalk at naks.com; naktree at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Happy New Year To all naktalkers and naktree members, have a great New Year and may 2003 be everything you hope for. Cheers, Marc The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From nicy at ya.com Fri Jan 3 19:46:14 2003 From: nicy at ya.com (JGascon) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 19:46:14 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak ZX-7 and ZX-9 Message-ID: <024201c2b358$677044a0$8f2b3b50@PcComunero> Hi all, I´m thinking of purchasing a ZX-7 or ZX-9. Is there anything I must know before chosing the unit?. Anything with the serial numbers, etc...? Have a nice New Year!! Regards from Spain Javier From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Jan 3 20:03:36 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 00:33:36 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak ZX-7 and ZX-9 Message-ID: <20030103190336.804E8114914@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From naktalk at email.si Fri Jan 3 20:16:52 2003 From: naktalk at email.si (Dusan) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 20:16:52 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] European CR-7 S/N Message-ID: <000001c2b35c$d888c3c0$9905fad5@dusan> I need some help from owners of european CR-7s : I want to buy a CR-7E and seller said it is 8 years old - I know it can't be so "young" because Nakamichi stopped CR-7 production already in 1993. It's serial number is supposed to be 03040. If European serials are in the same line order with american numbers, this unit should be a very early version, perhaps without gear upgrade & the record eq correction modification. I would like to hear from owners of CR-7 european versions about their units s/n, production year and if they originaly had gear upgrade & the record eq correction modification. This info would be of great help. Do you know for a good and trustable person in Europe, who could service and calibrate my new Nak? Regards Dusan From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Jan 3 20:43:35 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2003 02:43:35 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Dimensions Needed References: <000c01c2b2bc$e876a2c0$c0d261d8@primeevil> <000901c2b2bf$04f1ac40$05a2b742@desktop> <001c01c2b2c5$c161f8c0$c0d261d8@primeevil> Message-ID: <004a01c2b360$810adbc0$991a9bca@smarzuki> Happy belated new year 2003 to all naksters around the globe ! Just want to comment that the 45cm width of Dragon makes it unlikely for rack mounts. Not sure if it's the norm, but some of the rack mount units i saw have internal 'body' width of 43 cm (also the 68x). Anyway the faceplate height follows the manual at 5 5/16" (13.5 cm) and with the feet it is 5 11/16" (14.5 cm), exactly like Mariano's. Best regards, Salim SM Slightly off topic please? I have a Kenwood 550 turntable which 'marble' color has turned yellowish ... does anybody know any how to restore the color back to white ? Any special polishing compund sold in stores, maybe for corian ? Thanks much. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Mueller To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 8:16 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Dimensions Needed I'm not convinced that I have the rackmountable version. I was hoping naks.com would show a sample of what one would look like with either rails or mounted. Wish I would have known about the ears when they were still available. They'd get just as much use as that wired remote control! I have two amps which have extended faceplates for rackmounting and removeable handles. The width of the Dragon is wider than the chassis of both amps, and I believe that the front bolt holes would be very close to the bend of an L-bracket to mount in the same rack as the amps. Of course, I'm not all that familiar with rack mount audio; more familiar with rackmount servers. So, perhaps my thoughts are flawed...it has happened before :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roland Alford" To: Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 7:28 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Dimensions Needed > Jim, that deck must have been a deck designed for rack mounting. > > If you check the Nak.com website it shows that some models of Dragon were > designed to have the 19" rackmount ear's added. Maybe it was an option, but > that probably accounts for the difference. > > Thanx guys for your help. Only problem is, I don't which mine will be! > > Oh well! Back to square one...I'll e-mail the seller. > > --Roland > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Jan 3 20:55:05 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2003 02:55:05 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak ZX-7 and ZX-9 References: <20030103190336.804E8114914@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <005201c2b362$030632e0$991a9bca@smarzuki> Hi Javier, last time i remember you were in NYC area, are you on vacation in Spain ? Old stereo review (oops) guide says some higher grade capacitors used in 'super tuned' ZX9 ... somehow there are still plenty of orange caps left inside the ZX9 =). The more manual ZXs should give you less headache (and of course more user control) compared to other auto align Naks. I'm not aware of any ZX serial number differences and the service manual only shows one version of all boards. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: kannan_s at vsnl.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2003 2:03 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak ZX-7 and ZX-9 If given a chance I would prefer ZX9 over ZX7 due to its excellent wow and flutter figure of its capstan Direct Drive motor. Caution on ZX9/ ZX7 Remove the two to three Orange caps in Bias Oscillator circuit and replace with recent polyuester caps. I expect the Orange caps on Dolby circuit as well would get in to nasty moods some time in future! Replace them as well. I have noticed these two problems on a mint ZX9!!! What surprise me is that the high prices they get on ebay even though CR7 and Dragons have plenty of better future for a price lesser than ZX9 ! I wonder whether "Super tuning" claim on ZX9 is a reason for it? Kannan nicy at ya.com wrote Hi all, I´m thinking of purchasing a ZX-7 or ZX-9. Is there anything I must know before chosing the unit?. Anything with the serial numbers, etc...? Have a nice New Year!! Regards from Spain Javier -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Jan 3 20:57:57 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 01:27:57 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] European CR-7 S/N Message-ID: <20030103195757.C1EA211491A@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Jan 3 21:19:59 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2003 03:19:59 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Question References: Message-ID: <009c01c2b365$7d90b6e0$991a9bca@smarzuki> Hi Adam, The only thing i can be sure of is that the clicking sound came from naac motor trying its best to match the phase of recorded tone from rec head. The reason it didn't click on "level" test tone is that below approx 5 khz the naac still not working yet. At the bias' 15khz freq tone, the pb head started to self align and when it got out of range then there's the clacking sound. The first and easy step to troubleshoot would be to clean the heads / tape path esp rec head - say at one extreme half of the right channel on rec head is dirty / covered then there's no way the naac can match the phase of missing signal. Other than that you'd need to trace the naac signal path, and if the problem only occured on recording then it would be a much smaller area to look for ... hopefully there are some orange caps to blame ... =) Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Adam Yousuf To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 7:52 PM Subject: [naktalk] Question Hi everyone, I've had my Dragon for the last 2 years. It has been working perfectly fine until this week. Maybe it's the cold weather but whenever I do a Bias Calibration, I hear a slight whirring or electrical sound from the deck (not the speakers). When I do Level Calibration it's silent (there is a tone on the speakers but when I turn the Output to the lowest setting, there is no 'noise' like when I do a Bias Calibration. I did not notice it before and Bias Calibration is very tough now and I need to turn the Bias way up for the indicators to reach the Calibration level on the LEDs. I wonder if any of you have faced this issue or have knowledge on why this is happening and what I need to do to fix this? Thanks. Hope you all had a Merry X'mas and have a great New Years! Adam From alex at autoconsortium.com Fri Jan 3 21:23:15 2003 From: alex at autoconsortium.com (Alex Cagann) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 15:23:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Dimensions Needed In-Reply-To: <004a01c2b360$810adbc0$991a9bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: Hi Salim. On your 550 turntable, I would try 3M plastic polish in a dark gray bottle. Find it at your local auto parts store....another suitable plastic polish should do. Make sure there is a bit of grit in the compound...as this is necessary to restore that coloring. RE: the dragon width...my sentiments exactly. The Dragon is wider than standard width equipment...hell, I've had several audio cabinets in the past that the sucker wouldn't even fit in...which makes me curious as to how anyone ever mounted Dragons on racks with other 'normal' sized equipment. Alex Cagann http://www.autoconsortium.com Just want to comment that the 45cm width of Dragon makes it unlikely for rack mounts. Not sure if it's the norm, but some of the rack mount units i saw have internal 'body' width of 43 cm (also the 68x). Anyway the faceplate height follows the manual at 5 5/16" (13.5 cm) and with the feet it is 5 11/16" (14.5 cm), exactly like Mariano's. Best regards, Salim SM Slightly off topic please? I have a Kenwood 550 turntable which 'marble' color has turned yellowish ... does anybody know any how to restore the color back to white ? Any special polishing compund sold in stores, maybe for corian ? Thanks much. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Jan 3 21:48:23 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2003 03:48:23 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon ... and plastic polish References: Message-ID: <001801c2b369$75978f00$c6299bca@smarzuki> Thanks Alex, so far I've only tried autosol (the wd40 of polishing compund =) with no luck. That material was very stubborn, looks like it was made of real stones mixed with cement. Maybe sandblasting the kenwood is a good idea. I'll find and try that 3M plastic polish soon. Interestingly I just successfully buffed a horrible looking plastic (lexan ?) cover of another table, using 500-1000-1500 grit and finally autosol... it was absolutely amazing ! Just like a brand new cover. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Alex Cagann To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2003 3:23 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon Dimensions Needed Hi Salim. On your 550 turntable, I would try 3M plastic polish in a dark gray bottle. Find it at your local auto parts store....another suitable plastic polish should do. Make sure there is a bit of grit in the compound...as this is necessary to restore that coloring. RE: the dragon width...my sentiments exactly. The Dragon is wider than standard width equipment...hell, I've had several audio cabinets in the past that the sucker wouldn't even fit in...which makes me curious as to how anyone ever mounted Dragons on racks with other 'normal' sized equipment. Alex Cagann http://www.autoconsortium.com From alex at autoconsortium.com Fri Jan 3 22:31:03 2003 From: alex at autoconsortium.com (Alex Cagann) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 16:31:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon ... and plastic polish In-Reply-To: <001801c2b369$75978f00$c6299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: Salim....autosol is EXCELLENT german stuff. I'd venture to say that if that didn't work, neither will the 3M polish. Yep, I've got some autosol here at the shop....couldn't live without it! Sanblasting would be sure to fix it....might try using walnut shells instead of sand....you may even try soaking the casing in Oxy Clean or perhaps even a baking soda solution...if you are able to separate the electronics and stuff from the case. Alex Cagann http://www.autoconsortium.com > Thanks Alex, so far I've only tried autosol (the wd40 of polishing compund > =) with no luck. That material was very stubborn, looks like it > was made of > real stones mixed with cement. Maybe sandblasting the kenwood is a good > idea. I'll find and try that 3M plastic polish soon. > > Interestingly I just successfully buffed a horrible looking plastic (lexan > ?) cover of another table, using 500-1000-1500 grit and finally autosol... > it was absolutely amazing ! Just like a brand new cover. > > Best regards, > Salim SM From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Jan 3 22:46:16 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 16:46:16 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] European CR-7 S/N References: <000001c2b35c$d888c3c0$9905fad5@dusan> Message-ID: <3E1604A8.2AB8A41B@rcn.com> Assuming a single list of serial numbers for all CR-7 decks, I suspect your deck was made sometime in late 1985 or early 1986 and is 16 or 17 years old. My own CR-7a, S/N 02835 (215 units before your S/N 03040) was made in the last quarter of 1985 (even though the Naks.com site says CR-7 production only started in 1986). As such, both the equalization and the gear modifications are in order (unless already done by a previous owner). I especially recommend the Eq mod -- there was audible sonic improvement in my deck. I did follow it with complete calibration (by Stephen, which I highly recommend), that further improved the sound. As to the gear mod -- it's a tradeoff between cost and convenience. If you wish to afford it, it's certainly worthwhile doing. -- Ron Dusan wrote: > > I need some help from owners of european CR-7s : I want to buy a CR-7E and > seller said it is 8 years old - I know it can't be so "young" because > Nakamichi stopped CR-7 production already in 1993. It's serial number is > supposed to be 03040. If European serials are in the same line order with > american numbers, this unit should be a very early version, perhaps without > gear upgrade & the record eq correction modification. > > I would like to hear from owners of CR-7 european versions about their units > s/n, production year and if they originaly had gear upgrade & the record eq > correction modification. This info would be of great help. > > Do you know for a good and trustable person in Europe, who could service and > calibrate my new Nak? > > Regards > > Dusan > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jan 4 00:36:46 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 23:36:46 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] European CR-7 S/N In-Reply-To: <000001c2b35c$d888c3c0$9905fad5@dusan> Message-ID: <001601c2b380$fa8b1580$ed6d87d9@oemcomputer> Dusan For servicing the Nak' in Europe, try either: http://www.bowersandwilkins.co.uk/nakamichi/home.htmv (who you will find are in the UK) or TransTec bv Brugwachter 19 3034 KD Rotterdam tel +31-(0)10-4147055 Fax +31-(0)10-4113580 e-mail transtec at transtec.nl Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Dusan > Sent: 03 January 2003 19:17 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] European CR-7 S/N > > > I need some help from owners of european CR-7s : I want to buy a CR-7E and > seller said it is 8 years old - I know it can't be so "young" because > Nakamichi stopped CR-7 production already in 1993. It's serial number is > supposed to be 03040. If European serials are in the same line order with > american numbers, this unit should be a very early version, > perhaps without > gear upgrade & the record eq correction modification. > > I would like to hear from owners of CR-7 european versions about > their units > s/n, production year and if they originaly had gear upgrade & the > record eq > correction modification. This info would be of great help. > > Do you know for a good and trustable person in Europe, who could > service and > calibrate my new Nak? > > Regards > > Dusan > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release Date: 30/12/02 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release Date: 30/12/02 From nicy at ya.com Fri Jan 3 21:14:01 2003 From: nicy at ya.com (JGascon) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 21:14:01 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak ZX-7 and ZX-9 References: <20030103190336.804E8114914@webmail.vsnl.com> <005201c2b362$030632e0$991a9bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <027401c2b364$abe04b60$8f2b3b50@PcComunero> Sorry but I´ve never been in NY. I´m from Spain. Thanks for your information Salim and Kannan. Javier ----- Original Message ----- From: Salim Marzuki To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak ZX-7 and ZX-9 Hi Javier, last time i remember you were in NYC area, are you on vacation in Spain ? Old stereo review (oops) guide says some higher grade capacitors used in 'super tuned' ZX9 ... somehow there are still plenty of orange caps left inside the ZX9 =). The more manual ZXs should give you less headache (and of course more user control) compared to other auto align Naks. I'm not aware of any ZX serial number differences and the service manual only shows one version of all boards. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: kannan_s at vsnl.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2003 2:03 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak ZX-7 and ZX-9 If given a chance I would prefer ZX9 over ZX7 due to its excellent wow and flutter figure of its capstan Direct Drive motor. Caution on ZX9/ ZX7 Remove the two to three Orange caps in Bias Oscillator circuit and replace with recent polyuester caps. I expect the Orange caps on Dolby circuit as well would get in to nasty moods some time in future! Replace them as well. I have noticed these two problems on a mint ZX9!!! What surprise me is that the high prices they get on ebay even though CR7 and Dragons have plenty of better future for a price lesser than ZX9 ! I wonder whether "Super tuning" claim on ZX9 is a reason for it? Kannan nicy at ya.com wrote Hi all, I´m thinking of purchasing a ZX-7 or ZX-9. Is there anything I must know before chosing the unit?. Anything with the serial numbers, etc...? Have a nice New Year!! Regards from Spain Javier -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Sat Jan 4 05:32:06 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 15:32:06 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak ZX-7 and ZX-9 Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201E2A@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> I agree with Kannan on the orange cap problems. I suffered the two problems with my ZX9 - erase bias circuitry going bad & dolby circuit (c type) not working on one channel. I replaced the suspect caps and the unit has never had a problem since. Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: kannan_s at vsnl.com [mailto:kannan_s at vsnl.com] Sent: Saturday, 4 January 2003 6:04 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak ZX-7 and ZX-9 If given a chance I would prefer ZX9 over ZX7 due to its excellent wow and flutter figure of its capstan Direct Drive motor. Caution on ZX9/ ZX7 Remove the two to three Orange caps in Bias Oscillator circuit and replace with recent polyuester caps. I expect the Orange caps on Dolby circuit as well would get in to nasty moods some time in future! Replace them as well. I have noticed these two problems on a mint ZX9!!! What surprise me is that the high prices they get on ebay even though CR7 and Dragons have plenty of better future for a price lesser than ZX9 ! I wonder whether "Super tuning" claim on ZX9 is a reason for it? Kannan nicy at ya.com wrote Hi all, I´m thinking of purchasing a ZX-7 or ZX-9. Is there anything I must know before chosing the unit?. Anything with the serial numbers, etc...? Have a nice New Year!! Regards from Spain Javier ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Sat Jan 4 05:43:52 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 15:43:52 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Idler problem. Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201E2C@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Howdy all, hope you all have had a great new year. I have a small problem with my RX505. It seems that the small idler that sits between the two reel hubs is a little out of wack. Playback and recording is perfect, however, when I rewind of fast-forward the idle torque is not smooth. What happens is the tape "slaps" inside the casing as it's being re-wownd/fast-forwarded. Should I worry about this? Is this going to damage my tapes. I've compared this with my ZX9 & 480 which have the same type of mechanism and they are smooth as silk. If this does need attention what would you recommend to fix this small but annoying problem. Regards Tom Siomopoulos From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Jan 4 18:22:39 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2003 00:22:39 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Idler problem. References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201E2C@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <000c01c2b415$e266dc60$40299bca@smarzuki> Hi Tom, my 482 used to do that and i noticed there's a flat 'spot' on the hardened rubber. I'm lucky to be able to find an approx. similar diameter (although narrower) ring - but getting rubber out from the mechanism without breaking it was quite difficult. Why don't you use the 480 idler for your 505 and try to grind the flat spot out for the 480. Put deck in FF and slowly rub a sandpaper against the running idler - better use your 480 mechanism for this process as it has more open space inside. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos To: Naktalk mail list (E-mail) Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2003 11:43 AM Subject: [naktalk] Idler problem. Howdy all, hope you all have had a great new year. I have a small problem with my RX505. It seems that the small idler that sits between the two reel hubs is a little out of wack. Playback and recording is perfect, however, when I rewind of fast-forward the idle torque is not smooth. What happens is the tape "slaps" inside the casing as it's being re-wownd/fast-forwarded. Should I worry about this? Is this going to damage my tapes. I've compared this with my ZX9 & 480 which have the same type of mechanism and they are smooth as silk. If this does need attention what would you recommend to fix this small but annoying problem. Regards Tom Siomopoulos From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jan 4 19:47:54 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 18:47:54 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Idler problem. In-Reply-To: <000c01c2b415$e266dc60$40299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <000301c2b421$cacabd40$075b87d9@oemcomputer> Suggest you use something like a nail board (wives usually have them!) and to try to use something within the deck to steady one end of the board so you may gentle lower the other end onto the running idler, just as if you were cutting something spinning on a lathe. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Salim Marzuki > Sent: 04 January 2003 17:23 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Idler problem. > > > > Hi Tom, my 482 used to do that and i noticed there's a flat 'spot' on the > hardened rubber. I'm lucky to be able to find an approx. similar diameter > (although narrower) ring - but getting rubber out from the > mechanism without > breaking it was quite difficult. Why don't you use the 480 idler for your > 505 and try to grind the flat spot out for the 480. Put deck in FF and > slowly rub a sandpaper against the running idler - better use your 480 > mechanism for this process as it has more open space inside. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release Date: 30/12/02 From srudick at hotmail.com Sat Jan 4 20:51:39 2003 From: srudick at hotmail.com (Steve Rudick) Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2003 19:51:39 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Idler problem. Message-ID: Re: Nak RX-505 idler problem. Whether it's an idler problem or a back tension problem, forget the half baked solutions I'm reading on line (especially for an RX-505!) spend the money, and get it PROPERLY serviced by an authorized Nak service centre! 73, Steve Rudick/VE2FSQ Audiotech/Mtl., Que. Can. _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jan 4 23:10:38 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 22:10:38 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Idler problem. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001101c2b43e$1d047a80$075b87d9@oemcomputer> You're right, of course, Steve. But you assume that the parts are readily available. Nak spares are becoming rare, some as rare as hen's teeth and costing many times their weight in gold ... assuming optimistically they exist at all. And, given the premium on rare Nak spares, we are assuming that funds are available to pay the premium for a service and parts. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Steve Rudick > Sent: 04 January 2003 19:52 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Idler problem. > > > > > > > Re: Nak RX-505 idler problem. > > Whether it's an idler problem or a back tension problem, forget the half > baked solutions I'm reading on line (especially for an RX-505!) spend the > money, and get it PROPERLY serviced by an authorized Nak service centre! > > 73, > > Steve Rudick/VE2FSQ > Audiotech/Mtl., Que. Can. > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release Date: 30/12/02 From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Jan 5 00:55:13 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2003 18:55:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Idler problem. References: Message-ID: <3E177461.A877490C@rcn.com> Steve Rudick wrote: > > Re: Nak RX-505 idler problem. > > Whether it's an idler problem or a back tension problem, forget the half > baked solutions I'm reading on line I beg to differ. The suggested solutions are accepted methods of service. >(especially for an RX-505!) spend the > money, and get it PROPERLY serviced by an authorized Nak service centre! Why are you assuming that NakTalk members are not capable of PROPERLY servicing their equipment? Many of us are -- or used to be -- techs or engineers with many years of experience. Personally, I wouldn't let anyone touch my deck, unless forced to because adjustments require test equipment that I do not own (and unless the tech name is Stephen :-) ). A large part of the pleasure of this email list is the help, support and information exchange concerning technical problems. -- Ron From n.van.wijnen at home.nl Sun Jan 5 01:32:36 2003 From: n.van.wijnen at home.nl (norman van wijnen) Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 01:32:36 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] capacitor replacements Message-ID: <002201c2b451$f1dd5480$0200a7c0@AsusT533> Hi guys, i wonder what are the best replacement capacitors for the orange ones inside the ZX7 ? is there a picture of it so i can compare in the shop if i have the right parts? i own a nak zx7 and it has still all the original orange caps inside Norman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marrot at kornet.net Sun Jan 5 03:50:47 2003 From: marrot at kornet.net (KORNET) Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 11:50:47 +0900 Subject: [naktalk] Can anybody help me with DR1 Documentation ?? Message-ID: Hello everybody, I just purchased a used DR1 however without any Documentation. Does anybody out there have a catalogue, users manual or service manual ? I searched the web in vain, this model does not seem to be as popular as the other decks... Thanks a lot Martin (from Korea) From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sun Jan 5 14:59:39 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2003 14:59:39 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Who needs what? Message-ID: <3E183A4B.458D5F37@xs4all.nl> I'm currently scanning my ZX7 brochure and owners manual (for Mr Bleus) and was wondering is people were in need for other brochure(s) and/or owners manual(s)... Tell us all what you need and who knows someone may have what you are looking for ;-) Wouter From amar152 at comcast.net Sun Jan 5 10:05:54 2003 From: amar152 at comcast.net (alan mar) Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2003 09:05:54 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Who needs what? In-Reply-To: <3E183A4B.458D5F37@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: Wouter- I am currently looking for manuals for the T100 analyzer. thanks! Alan on 1/5/03 1:59 PM, Wouter Heijke at wheijke at xs4all.nl wrote: > I'm currently scanning my ZX7 brochure and owners manual (for Mr Bleus) > and was wondering is people were in need for other brochure(s) and/or > owners manual(s)... > Tell us all what you need and who knows someone may have what you are > looking for ;-) > > Wouter > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------==== > ===== > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------==== > ===== From hzl88 at msn.com Sun Jan 5 19:08:15 2003 From: hzl88 at msn.com (marc) Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 13:08:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Who needs what? References: <3E183A4B.458D5F37@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <003f01c2b4e5$6c9e0140$962b1943@Marc> I have been looking for both a 550 and a DMP 100 owners or service manual for a long time. If anyone would has these scanned it would be greatly appreciated. I have Nak microphone manuals if anyone needs any copies. As more of a reader than poster, let me thank you guys for all your help and insight over the years, -Marc in NYC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wouter Heijke" To: Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 8:59 AM Subject: [naktalk] Who needs what? > I'm currently scanning my ZX7 brochure and owners manual (for Mr Bleus) > and was wondering is people were in need for other brochure(s) and/or > owners manual(s)... > Tell us all what you need and who knows someone may have what you are > looking for ;-) > > Wouter > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > From jmtooley at ce.net Sun Jan 5 19:12:18 2003 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 13:12:18 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Who needs what? References: <3E183A4B.458D5F37@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <005601c2b4e5$fc33f850$55116343@johnnyrotten> Wouter, Is there a Nak. 700 ZXL Manual available? John T. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wouter Heijke" To: Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 8:59 AM Subject: [naktalk] Who needs what? > I'm currently scanning my ZX7 brochure and owners manual (for Mr Bleus) > and was wondering is people were in need for other brochure(s) and/or > owners manual(s)... > Tell us all what you need and who knows someone may have what you are > looking for ;-) > > Wouter > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sun Jan 5 22:45:31 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2003 22:45:31 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 'copies' of manuals on ebay Message-ID: <3E18A77B.40ACC4AD@xs4all.nl> More and more 'copies' of Nakamichi manuals appear on Ebay everyday, a link to manuals available on the support site is made easy. The reason i started to make these manuals available was to prevent this from happening, people having to pay 'suspicious' people for a copy of a manual for their beloved Nak deck... I was assured it wouldn't be a problem to Nakamichi if they weren't sold commercially... What i see is that people download everything from the support site, yes i know it is tempting... It is no problem to me if people use these manuals for own PRIVATE use at home.. but when copies appear on Ebay things get different.... So what to do? Right now i don't know... Wouter From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sun Jan 5 23:08:44 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2003 23:08:44 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] New additions to support site Message-ID: <3E18ACEC.4BC4C42D@xs4all.nl> I'm making available the following manuals and brochures on the support site: - RX-202 and TD 500/700 brochures by Mr Blues - CR-7 service manual & RX202 owner's manual by Stephen Sank - DR1-2-3 owners manual, and brochure of the same deck by Javier - ZX7 brochures, 'new' Dragon brochure and 'new product lineup' brochures by me. Since brochures are 'hot' i think the best way to make those available is in JPG format since PDF files get way too big. Or someone may have a better idea... Enjoy! Wouter ps. I'm scanning my ZX7 owners manual, so expect that on the support site in a few days. From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Jan 5 23:41:17 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 22:41:17 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] 'copies' of manuals on ebay In-Reply-To: <3E18A77B.40ACC4AD@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <000701c2b50b$8f67afc0$216087d9@oemcomputer> Not wishing to interfere with free trade, I suggest we offer unsuccessful bidders the manuals for free. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Wouter Heijke > Sent: 05 January 2003 21:46 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] 'copies' of manuals on ebay > > > More and more 'copies' of Nakamichi manuals appear on Ebay everyday, a > link to manuals available on the support site is made easy. > > The reason i started to make these manuals available was to prevent this > from happening, people having to pay 'suspicious' people for a copy of a > manual for their beloved Nak deck... I was assured it wouldn't be a > problem to Nakamichi if they weren't sold commercially... > > What i see is that people download everything from the support site, yes > i know it is tempting... It is no problem to me if people use these > manuals for own PRIVATE use at home.. but when copies appear on Ebay > things get different.... > > So what to do? > > Right now i don't know... > > Wouter > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release Date: 30/12/02 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release Date: 30/12/02 From n.van.wijnen at home.nl Mon Jan 6 00:07:36 2003 From: n.van.wijnen at home.nl (norman van wijnen) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 00:07:36 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 'copies' of manuals on ebay References: <000701c2b50b$8f67afc0$216087d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <000d01c2b50f$3c6760a0$0200a7c0@AsusT533> Hi, well i think that some manuals have my name on it as creator , i 'am not sure if thats a good idea Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 11:41 Subject: RE: [naktalk] 'copies' of manuals on ebay > Not wishing to interfere with free trade, I suggest we offer unsuccessful > bidders the manuals for free. > > Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Wouter Heijke > > Sent: 05 January 2003 21:46 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] 'copies' of manuals on ebay > > > > > > More and more 'copies' of Nakamichi manuals appear on Ebay everyday, a > > link to manuals available on the support site is made easy. > > > > The reason i started to make these manuals available was to prevent this > > from happening, people having to pay 'suspicious' people for a copy of a > > manual for their beloved Nak deck... I was assured it wouldn't be a > > problem to Nakamichi if they weren't sold commercially... > > > > What i see is that people download everything from the support site, yes > > i know it is tempting... It is no problem to me if people use these > > manuals for own PRIVATE use at home.. but when copies appear on Ebay > > things get different.... > > > > So what to do? > > > > Right now i don't know... > > > > Wouter > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------========= > > > > --- > > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release Date: 30/12/02 > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release Date: 30/12/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Jan 6 01:33:58 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 00:33:58 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] 'copies' of manuals on ebay In-Reply-To: <000d01c2b50f$3c6760a0$0200a7c0@AsusT533> Message-ID: <000c01c2b51b$4d4e0b60$216087d9@oemcomputer> Hi Norman I didn't realise there were manuals created by members as yourself. I was meaning only those "official" Nakamichi manuals, as the ZX9 service manual and user manual that I sent to Wouter and which are now in the NakList library. Any others, as those you created, are your or their authors' copyright, of course, and rightly only yours (and theirs) to dispose of as you will. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > norman van wijnen > Sent: 05 January 2003 23:08 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 'copies' of manuals on ebay > > > Hi, > > well i think that some manuals have my name on it as creator , i 'am not > sure if thats a good idea > > Norman > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham Nelson" > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 11:41 > Subject: RE: [naktalk] 'copies' of manuals on ebay > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release Date: 30/12/02 From eddy.pollet at pandora.be Mon Jan 6 18:11:37 2003 From: eddy.pollet at pandora.be (POLLET Eddy) Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 18:11:37 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk digest, Vol 1 #9 - 19 msgs In-Reply-To: <20030106001303.27517.54613.Mailman@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: > What i see is that people download everything from the support site, yes > i know it is tempting... It is no problem to me if people use these > manuals for own PRIVATE use at home.. but when copies appear on Ebay > things get different.... > > So what to do? > Hi Wouter, I'd suggest to watermark them with something like "Courtesy of the Naktalk group", in a lighter shade of grey, diagonally over the page . Depending on the programs you have, you could use a grey gradient, to make it more difficult to remove . Eddy From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Jan 6 18:42:09 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 12:42:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk digest, Vol 1 #9 - 19 msgs References: Message-ID: <3E19BFF1.63A8D14F@rcn.com> Seems to me, the easiest way to to provide the password only to people that are actually on the email list (or even, actually participate). -- Ron POLLET Eddy wrote: > > > > What i see is that people download everything from the support site, yes > > i know it is tempting... It is no problem to me if people use these > > manuals for own PRIVATE use at home.. but when copies appear on Ebay > > things get different.... > > > > So what to do? > > > > Hi Wouter, > > I'd suggest to watermark them with something like "Courtesy of the Naktalk > group", in a lighter shade of grey, diagonally over the page . Depending on > the programs you have, you could use a grey gradient, to make it more > difficult to remove . > > Eddy > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From n.van.wijnen at home.nl Mon Jan 6 21:51:17 2003 From: n.van.wijnen at home.nl (norman van wijnen) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 21:51:17 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 'copies' of manuals on ebay References: <000c01c2b51b$4d4e0b60$216087d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <000a01c2b5c5$5bc0c520$0200a7c0@AsusT533> Hi Graham, no of course all the manuals are nakamichi copyrighted manuals, but after scanning some of them i made a mistake to fill in the author in the pdf scan software . (not a good idea i agree) and now i'am a little worried about commercial pdf files on ebay with my name on it as author. maybe i can remove that part of the pdf and upload them again. see what i can do greetings Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 1:33 Subject: RE: [naktalk] 'copies' of manuals on ebay > Hi Norman > > I didn't realise there were manuals created by members as yourself. I was > meaning only those "official" Nakamichi manuals, as the ZX9 service manual > and user manual that I sent to Wouter and which are now in the NakList > library. Any others, as those you created, are your or their authors' > copyright, of course, and rightly only yours (and theirs) to dispose of as > you will. > > Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > norman van wijnen > > Sent: 05 January 2003 23:08 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 'copies' of manuals on ebay > > > > > > Hi, > > > > well i think that some manuals have my name on it as creator , i 'am not > > sure if thats a good idea > > > > Norman > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Graham Nelson" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 11:41 > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] 'copies' of manuals on ebay > > > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release Date: 30/12/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Tue Jan 7 02:57:45 2003 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 02:57:45 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC In-Reply-To: <000e01c2b0e4$d4dc61c0$13116343@johnnyrotten> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030107025600.00a79c60@box.tin.it> Sorry for the delayed answer (holidays) ... you should burn the files = CD when in WAV . Thw quality it will be higher than MP3 (that must be converted into WAV anyhow to be written on CD in a ''playable'' way) Ezio At 10:53 AM 12/31/02 -0500, you wrote: >I want to copy a deceased friends voice from cassette to CD. So ReVox B >215 to Creative Sound Blaster Augigy Soundcard to Roxio Easy CD Creator >5.3.2.34a / Spin Doctor which then I believe copies everything as a .wav >file to my H/D. If this is so far correct do I then burn CD using the >large .wav file or convert to MP3? Any and all help would be much appreciated. > >John Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Tue Jan 7 03:21:09 2003 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 03:21:09 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] analogue to digital recording (it was off topic) In-Reply-To: <002e01c2b113$9dd51e40$4a116343@johnnyrotten> References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030107030225.00a7d600@box.tin.it> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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A basic cleaning and demag did little. After scrubbing the head considerably, the output is now much closer to the right channel in overall tone balance, but still noticeable. I would say at this point, the HF content of the left channel is about 80% of the right. Should I just continue to clean the head until I reach a suitable match? The haze and speckles still seem to be there and I have really cleaned quite a bit. Is this a really odd amount of head cleaning to do? Can anyone give me their .02 on this situation? Much obliged, Mike From kannan_s at vsnl.com Tue Jan 7 07:23:32 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 11:53:32 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] capacitor replacements Message-ID: <20030107062332.371A21149C7@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... 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Name: not available URL: From nicy at ya.com Tue Jan 7 10:49:28 2003 From: nicy at ya.com (JGascon) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 10:49:28 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RE: 680ZX high frequency problem References: <20030107064411.ED1C5114916@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <003601c2b632$16fa07e0$8f2b3b50@PcComunero> Hi Kannan. Where can I purchase the isopropyl alcohol? Javier ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 7:44 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: 680ZX high frequency problem > > Mike > First of all what sort of cleaning you mention? Both playback as well as record heads are very precious of any Nak and clean only with soft cotton cloth soaked in Isopropyl alcohol ( you can use Paint thinner carefully - called MEK solution as Per Stephen and I believe that should be a proven method coming off from Stephen. But take care that this MEK does not come in contact with any plastic material for long and do it under good ventilation). > There could be even flaked oxide from some old tape causing loss of play back output at high frequency and it is worth cleaning the head carefully and observe the results. > Once again- use soft cloth / chemoise leather tip with recommended solution only! > Kannan > chev454 at attbi.com wrote > Hello all: > > Just purchased a very nice condition 680ZX off of eBay. While cosmetically > the deck is great, I noticed one issue with playback that I am unable to > fully solve. > > When I first played a tape, the high frequencies in the left channel where > severely rolled off, to the point where the level of output seemed > considerably less than the right channel. Right channel is great. PB height > and azimuth adjustments did little. Upon inspecting the PB head, there > appeared to be a sort of 'haze' in particular along the horizontal copper > stripe of the head closest to the door. The copper stripe towards the back > appears sharp and well defined (similar to Rec head 'stripes'). Also along > the right edge of the PB head crest there appeared some white, speckly > material. A basic cleaning and demag did little. After scrubbing the head > considerably, the output is now much closer to the right channel in overall > tone balance, but still noticeable. > > I would say at this point, the HF content of the left channel is about 80% > of the right. Should I just continue to clean the head until I reach a > suitable match? The haze and speckles still seem to be there and I have > really cleaned quite a bit. > > Is this a really odd amount of head cleaning to do? Can anyone give me their > ..02 on this situation? > > Much obliged, > Mike > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Tue Jan 7 13:44:15 2003 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 13:44:15 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RE: 680ZX high frequency problem In-Reply-To: <003601c2b632$16fa07e0$8f2b3b50@PcComunero> References: <20030107064411.ED1C5114916@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030107134201.00a77d50@box.tin.it> I strongly suggest you ask you trusted chemist !!!!!!!!!!! In Italy (where the commerce of alchool is almost free ....) it is the only way to buy it . The isopropilic is an ordinary achool but 99% PURE ! and this is making a big difference with 95% (for cooking and drinks preparation) . Ezio At 10:49 AM 1/7/03 +0100, you wrote: >Hi Kannan. Where can I purchase the isopropyl alcohol? >Javier > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 7:44 AM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: 680ZX high frequency problem > > > > > > Mike > > First of all what sort of cleaning you mention? Both playback as well as >record heads are very precious of any Nak and clean only with soft cotton >cloth soaked in Isopropyl alcohol ( you can use Paint thinner carefully - >called MEK solution as Per Stephen and I believe that should be a proven >method coming off from Stephen. But take care that this MEK does not come in >contact with any plastic material for long and do it under good >ventilation). > > There could be even flaked oxide from some old tape causing loss of play >back output at high frequency and it is worth cleaning the head carefully >and observe the results. > > Once again- use soft cloth / chemoise leather tip with recommended >solution only! > > Kannan > > chev454 at attbi.com wrote > > Hello all: > > > > Just purchased a very nice condition 680ZX off of eBay. While cosmetically > > the deck is great, I noticed one issue with playback that I am unable to > > fully solve. > > > > When I first played a tape, the high frequencies in the left channel where > > severely rolled off, to the point where the level of output seemed > > considerably less than the right channel. Right channel is great. PB >height > > and azimuth adjustments did little. Upon inspecting the PB head, there > > appeared to be a sort of 'haze' in particular along the horizontal copper > > stripe of the head closest to the door. The copper stripe towards the back > > appears sharp and well defined (similar to Rec head 'stripes'). Also along > > the right edge of the PB head crest there appeared some white, speckly > > material. A basic cleaning and demag did little. After scrubbing the head > > considerably, the output is now much closer to the right channel in >overall > > tone balance, but still noticeable. > > > > I would say at this point, the HF content of the left channel is about 80% > > of the right. Should I just continue to clean the head until I reach a > > suitable match? The haze and speckles still seem to be there and I have > > really cleaned quite a bit. > > > > Is this a really odd amount of head cleaning to do? Can anyone give me >their > > ..02 on this situation? > > > > Much obliged, > > Mike > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com From m.raven at chello.nl Tue Jan 7 14:33:06 2003 From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 14:33:06 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RE: 680ZX high frequency problem References: <20030107064411.ED1C5114916@webmail.vsnl.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20030107134201.00a77d50@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <000801c2b651$4fa14350$9e3cbbd4@COLOSSUS> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ezio" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 1:44 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: 680ZX high frequency problem > I strongly suggest you ask you trusted chemist !!!!!!!!!!! > In Italy (where the commerce of alchool is almost free ....) it is the only > way to buy it . Elektronic equipment stores sells ALLSOP 30 mL Liquido per la pulizia. It's 100% isopropyl alcohol. But drugstores do sell it too, even in Italy ;-) Maurits From jmtooley at ce.net Tue Jan 7 15:34:14 2003 From: jmtooley at ce.net (jmtooley at ce.net) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 09:34:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] analogue to digital recording (it was off topic) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030107030225.00a7d600@box.tin.it> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030107030225.00a7d600@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <1041950054.3e1ae56650c3a@mail.ce.net> Everything copied to CD really well. Both sides of tape had a total of 78 mins. of speech so an 80 min. CD was perfect. CD is now somewhere between US & UK going to the spouse of my deceased friend. Many thanks to all the good souls at the wonderful forum who helped me out. John T. Quoting Ezio : > > It is splitted by the SILENCE LEVEL ... whenever the sound is going lower > than a ''certain value of db'' a mark is set automatically by the > recording program. > > I can suggest : > > 1- unmark the automatic splitting > > 2- when you will have a single BIG WAV file ... you will edit putting the > edit marks manually > > > I STRONLGY suggest the use of WAVELAB by Steinberg either to record the > wav files either to edit them after the recording time. > > > I can give you ''a copy'' of this ..... letting you to access my FTP > server and download the application ..... if you don't mind to become a > ''small pirate'' for this purpose only. > > Wavelab it is a little bit complicated but for sure it's the more > professional and powerful piece of software available to do what you are > trying to do ... and what I am doing almost weekly not to say daily .... > I am converting my vinyls to CD either to preserve them either to make > them ''portable'' = in the car + to the hutt in the mountains > .... > > > Wavelab has filters to de-click (vinyls) and to de-hiss (tapes) or > de-noise the analogue stuff .... > > > a longer argument can be taken when speaking of sharpness in recording > (16 - 24 - 32 bit recording at 44.1KHz sampling or up to 96KHz sampling) > > > > I can use my Naks to put on CD old tapes too ... > > > The hardware shouldn't be a big problem specially considering you are > doing this process once .... but when considering a more frequent work of > analogue to digital translation .... then a different board = better than > Sound Blaster stuff should be considered . > > > Sincerely > > > Ezio Lucenti > > > At 04:28 PM 12/31/02 -0500, you wrote: > > Eric, > >   > > I'm getting many "split" .wav files, even on the same piece of > musical. What produces splits, recording level? I peaked with the green > leds but beyond that are three yellow bars before a red bar. Perhaps if > my levels were slightly higher she wouldn't split! > >   > > John T. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Eric > Reidinger > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 11:10 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC > > > > Hi John, >   > If you are using Roxio Easy CD creator 5.X then simply bring up the > main splash screen and choose audio CD project, it will bring up a > secondary screen where you select the WAV file location from your HD and > then simply hit the record button - it is a red button to bring up the > record options.  I am assuming you have a cd burner attached to your > PC. >   > For creating an MP3 I use a seperate program that is freeware from > TUCOWS, www.tucows.com, called > DBPOWERAMP to do the conversion, it works better than the one utility > that is included in the Roxio package.  Convert the WAV to the MP3 > (LAME) and then select off the Roxio main splashscreen - MP3 project. it > will bring up the select MP3 option and then select record button and it > will create the MP3 project for you on the CD. >   > If you need more simply let me know. >   > Regards, >   > Eric >   > -----Original Message----- > From: John M. Tooley > [mailto:jmtooley at ce.net] > Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 10:54 AM > To: reeltoreel at yahoogroups.com > Cc: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC > > > > I want to copy a deceased friends voice from cassette to CD. So ReVox > B 215 to Creative Sound Blaster Augigy Soundcard to Roxio Easy CD Creator > 5.3.2.34a  / Spin Doctor which then I believe copies everything as a > .wav file to my H/D. If this is so far correct do I then burn CD using > the large .wav file or convert to MP3? Any and all help would be much > appreciated. >   > John > > > > > Sincerely > > > Ezio Lucenti > > > Ezio's e-photography site > www.lucenti.com > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ ========= > > From jmtooley at ce.net Tue Jan 7 16:58:43 2003 From: jmtooley at ce.net (jmtooley at ce.net) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 10:58:43 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030107025600.00a79c60@box.tin.it> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030107025600.00a79c60@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <1041955123.3e1af9332260b@mail.ce.net> Done, thank you. See response to you and others that helped me. John T. Quoting Ezio : > Sorry for the delayed answer (holidays) ... you should burn the files = CD > when in WAV . > Thw quality it will be higher than MP3 (that must be converted into WAV > anyhow to be written on CD in a ''playable'' way) > > Ezio > > At 10:53 AM 12/31/02 -0500, you wrote: > >I want to copy a deceased friends voice from cassette to CD. So ReVox B > >215 to Creative Sound Blaster Augigy Soundcard to Roxio Easy CD Creator > >5.3.2.34a / Spin Doctor which then I believe copies everything as a .wav > >file to my H/D. If this is so far correct do I then burn CD using the > >large .wav file or convert to MP3? Any and all help would be much > appreciated. > > > >John > > > Sincerely > > Ezio Lucenti > > Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ ========= > > From hisself at ol-jim.com Tue Jan 7 17:38:52 2003 From: hisself at ol-jim.com (Ol' Jim, hisself) Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 11:38:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: 680ZX high frequency problem In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030107134201.00a77d50@box.tin.it> References: <003601c2b632$16fa07e0$8f2b3b50@PcComunero> Message-ID: <3E1ABC4C.12726.5EC0E56@localhost> > I strongly suggest you ask you trusted chemist !!!!!!!!!!! > In Italy (where the commerce of alchool is almost free ....) it is the > only way to buy it . The isopropilic is an ordinary achool but 99% > PURE ! and this is making a big difference with 95% (for cooking and > drinks preparation) . > I'm not sure what you meant to say, BUT BE WARNED: Isopropyl alcohol, regardless of purity, is poisonous! Do NOT use it for cooking and drinking!!!!! Only ethyl alcohol is suitable for ingestion. Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com An armed society is a polite society. From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jan 7 19:19:37 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 18:19:37 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] RE: 680ZX high frequency problem In-Reply-To: <3E1ABC4C.12726.5EC0E56@localhost> Message-ID: <000701c2b679$565c9000$1d5d87d9@oemcomputer> Damn! Too late .... > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Ol' Jim, hisself > Sent: 07 January 2003 16:39 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: 680ZX high frequency problem > > > > I strongly suggest you ask you trusted chemist !!!!!!!!!!! > > In Italy (where the commerce of alchool is almost free ....) it is the > > only way to buy it . The isopropilic is an ordinary achool but 99% > > PURE ! and this is making a big difference with 95% (for cooking and > > drinks preparation) . > > > > I'm not sure what you meant to say, BUT BE WARNED: Isopropyl > alcohol, regardless of > purity, is poisonous! Do NOT use it for cooking and drinking!!!!! > > Only ethyl alcohol is suitable for ingestion. > > > Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida > hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com > > An armed society is a polite society. > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release Date: 30/12/02 From kannan_s at vsnl.com Tue Jan 7 20:02:40 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 00:32:40 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] RE: 680ZX high frequency problem Message-ID: <20030107190240.658D311490F@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Tue Jan 7 20:12:40 2003 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 20:12:40 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RE: 680ZX high frequency problem In-Reply-To: <000701c2b679$565c9000$1d5d87d9@oemcomputer> References: <3E1ABC4C.12726.5EC0E56@localhost> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030107201207.00a7d6b0@box.tin.it> Sorry I was on Christmas holidays = mountains = no connection .... Ezio At 06:19 PM 1/7/03 +0000, you wrote: >Damn! Too late .... > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Ol' Jim, hisself > > Sent: 07 January 2003 16:39 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: 680ZX high frequency problem > > > > > > > I strongly suggest you ask you trusted chemist !!!!!!!!!!! > > > In Italy (where the commerce of alchool is almost free ....) it is the > > > only way to buy it . The isopropilic is an ordinary achool but 99% > > > PURE ! and this is making a big difference with 95% (for cooking and > > > drinks preparation) . > > > > > > > I'm not sure what you meant to say, BUT BE WARNED: Isopropyl > > alcohol, regardless of > > purity, is poisonous! Do NOT use it for cooking and drinking!!!!! > > > > Only ethyl alcohol is suitable for ingestion. > > > > > > Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida > > hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com > > > > An armed society is a polite society. > > > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release Date: 30/12/02 > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Tue Jan 7 20:15:46 2003 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 20:15:46 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RE: 680ZX high frequency problem In-Reply-To: <3E1ABC4C.12726.5EC0E56@localhost> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030107134201.00a77d50@box.tin.it> <003601c2b632$16fa07e0$8f2b3b50@PcComunero> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030107201321.00a7ab50@box.tin.it> You are right .... in Italy people has used that to prepare fake wine and spirits and many people had to be recovered in hospital ... it is because the isopropilic is containing methanole and ethanole together with ethilic .... and they are poisonous Ezio At 11:38 AM 1/7/03 -0500, you wrote: > > I strongly suggest you ask you trusted chemist !!!!!!!!!!! > > In Italy (where the commerce of alchool is almost free ....) it is the > > only way to buy it . The isopropilic is an ordinary achool but 99% > > PURE ! and this is making a big difference with 95% (for cooking and > > drinks preparation) . > > > >I'm not sure what you meant to say, BUT BE WARNED: Isopropyl alcohol, >regardless of >purity, is poisonous! Do NOT use it for cooking and drinking!!!!! > >Only ethyl alcohol is suitable for ingestion. > > >Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida >hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com > >An armed society is a polite society. > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com From nicy at ya.com Tue Jan 7 20:41:00 2003 From: nicy at ya.com (JGascon) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 20:41:00 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RE: 680ZX high frequency problem References: <20030107064411.ED1C5114916@webmail.vsnl.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20030107134201.00a77d50@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <002301c2b684$b5a7b340$8f2b3b50@PcComunero> Thanks to Ezio and Maurits. I will try to get it tomorrow. Javier. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ezio" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 1:44 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: 680ZX high frequency problem > I strongly suggest you ask you trusted chemist !!!!!!!!!!! > In Italy (where the commerce of alchool is almost free ....) it is the only > way to buy it . > The isopropilic is an ordinary achool but 99% PURE ! and this is making a > big difference with 95% (for cooking and drinks preparation) . > > Ezio > > At 10:49 AM 1/7/03 +0100, you wrote: > >Hi Kannan. Where can I purchase the isopropyl alcohol? > >Javier > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: > >To: > >Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 7:44 AM > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: 680ZX high frequency problem > > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > First of all what sort of cleaning you mention? Both playback as well as > >record heads are very precious of any Nak and clean only with soft cotton > >cloth soaked in Isopropyl alcohol ( you can use Paint thinner carefully - > >called MEK solution as Per Stephen and I believe that should be a proven > >method coming off from Stephen. But take care that this MEK does not come in > >contact with any plastic material for long and do it under good > >ventilation). > > > There could be even flaked oxide from some old tape causing loss of play > >back output at high frequency and it is worth cleaning the head carefully > >and observe the results. > > > Once again- use soft cloth / chemoise leather tip with recommended > >solution only! > > > Kannan > > > chev454 at attbi.com wrote > > > Hello all: > > > > > > Just purchased a very nice condition 680ZX off of eBay. While cosmetically > > > the deck is great, I noticed one issue with playback that I am unable to > > > fully solve. > > > > > > When I first played a tape, the high frequencies in the left channel where > > > severely rolled off, to the point where the level of output seemed > > > considerably less than the right channel. Right channel is great. PB > >height > > > and azimuth adjustments did little. Upon inspecting the PB head, there > > > appeared to be a sort of 'haze' in particular along the horizontal copper > > > stripe of the head closest to the door. The copper stripe towards the back > > > appears sharp and well defined (similar to Rec head 'stripes'). Also along > > > the right edge of the PB head crest there appeared some white, speckly > > > material. A basic cleaning and demag did little. After scrubbing the head > > > considerably, the output is now much closer to the right channel in > >overall > > > tone balance, but still noticeable. > > > > > > I would say at this point, the HF content of the left channel is about 80% > > > of the right. Should I just continue to clean the head until I reach a > > > suitable match? The haze and speckles still seem to be there and I have > > > really cleaned quite a bit. > > > > > > Is this a really odd amount of head cleaning to do? Can anyone give me > >their > > > ..02 on this situation? > > > > > > Much obliged, > > > Mike > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = > >======= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > To maintain your account please go here: > >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = > >======= > > > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = > >======= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > To maintain your account please go here: > >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = > >======= > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >To maintain your account please go here: > >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > > > > Sincerely > > Ezio Lucenti > > Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > From hisself at ol-jim.com Tue Jan 7 21:48:57 2003 From: hisself at ol-jim.com (Ol' Jim, hisself) Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 15:48:57 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: 680ZX high frequency problem In-Reply-To: <000701c2b679$565c9000$1d5d87d9@oemcomputer> References: <3E1ABC4C.12726.5EC0E56@localhost> Message-ID: <3E1AF6E9.12086.6D101BA@localhost> > Damn! Too late .... > > > I'm not sure what you meant to say, BUT BE WARNED: Isopropyl > > alcohol, regardless of > > purity, is poisonous! Do NOT use it for cooking and drinking!!!!! > > > > Only ethyl alcohol is suitable for ingestion. > > > > OKay, Graham, Quickly, very quickly, write as follows: I, being of sound mind, de hereby bequeath all my sound equipment and loose change to Ol' Jim, hisself! Sign it, and then continue drinking. Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com An armed society is a polite society. From alex at autoconsortium.com Tue Jan 7 22:06:02 2003 From: alex at autoconsortium.com (Alex Cagann) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 16:06:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] sticky Dragon Message-ID: My Dragon likes to stick from time to time. Today, I put a tape in, hit play...nothing. If I tap on the case (don't kill me...I know :-(...it starts to play. This had happened a few months ago and I gave the play mechanism a help and it went. I guess this is part of the silent mechanism feature that pushes the heads up and gets things going. (excuse my articulation here, I'm no tech). It's a large white 'wheel' that takes a half spin and gets things going. I have cleaned the rubber parts associated with this mechanism with alcohol. Is there something I need to replace? I don't want to ship this thing off for such a small mechanical problem, so I was looking here for any 'been there done that's'. Thanks, Alex Cagann http://www.autoconsortium.com From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Jan 7 22:26:09 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 16:26:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: 680ZX high frequency problem References: <003601c2b632$16fa07e0$8f2b3b50@PcComunero> <3E1ABC4C.12726.5EC0E56@localhost> Message-ID: <3E1B45F1.14C18F36@rcn.com> "Ol' Jim, hisself" wrote: > > > I strongly suggest you ask you trusted chemist !!!!!!!!!!! > > In Italy (where the commerce of alchool is almost free ....) it is the > > only way to buy it . The isopropilic is an ordinary achool but 99% > > PURE ! and this is making a big difference with 95% (for cooking and > > drinks preparation) . > > > > I'm not sure what you meant to say, BUT BE WARNED: Isopropyl alcohol, regardless of > purity, is poisonous! Do NOT use it for cooking and drinking!!!!! It's true that it's poisonous, but if you drink enough of it, you won't care. -- Ron > Only ethyl alcohol is suitable for ingestion. > > Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida > hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com > > An armed society is a polite society. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Jan 7 22:30:38 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 16:30:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] sticky Dragon References: Message-ID: <3E1B46FE.9AC5659F@rcn.com> It could be the control motor. If so, it needs to be overhauled or replaced. Never did it on a Dragon, but, based on Stephen's post, it's not difficult to do (at least, for him :-) ). -- Ron Alex Cagann wrote: > > My Dragon likes to stick from time to time. Today, I put a tape in, hit > play...nothing. If I tap on the case (don't kill me...I know :-(...it starts > to play. This had happened a few months ago and I gave the play mechanism a > help and it went. I guess this is part of the silent mechanism feature that > pushes the heads up and gets things going. (excuse my articulation here, I'm > no tech). It's a large white 'wheel' that takes a half spin and gets things > going. I have cleaned the rubber parts associated with this mechanism with > alcohol. Is there something I need to replace? I don't want to ship this > thing off for such a small mechanical problem, so I was looking here for any > 'been there done that's'. > > Thanks, > > Alex Cagann > http://www.autoconsortium.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From nicy at ya.com Sun Jan 5 15:59:20 2003 From: nicy at ya.com (JGascon) Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 15:59:20 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Can anybody help me with DR1 Documentation ?? References: Message-ID: <002201c2b4cb$0733ef00$8f2b3b50@PcComunero> Hi Martin, I´ve just sent the owners manual of DR-1-2-3 decks to the support site. Also a brochure. I hope you like it. Javier ----- Original Message ----- From: "KORNET" To: Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 3:50 AM Subject: [naktalk] Can anybody help me with DR1 Documentation ?? > Hello everybody, I just purchased a used DR1 however without any > Documentation. Does anybody out there have a catalogue, users manual or > service manual ? I searched the web in vain, this model does not seem to be > as popular as the other decks... > > Thanks a lot > > Martin (from Korea) > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Sun Jan 5 22:18:36 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 08:18:36 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Idler problem. Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201E2F@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Howdy all. Thanks to all who contributed their suggestions to the little problem I had. Thanks to Salim & Graham for their advice, that did the trick. It turns out that a little bit of grit was on the rubber section on the idler, so I used a very tiny file to grind away the grit. Damm hard to get to the idler on the RX505, I dare not pull it apart because it's in perfect alignment (thanks to Stephen of course), and I could not live with my self if any damage was done :) Thanks again. Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Graham Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, 5 January 2003 5:48 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Idler problem. Suggest you use something like a nail board (wives usually have them!) and to try to use something within the deck to steady one end of the board so you may gentle lower the other end onto the running idler, just as if you were cutting something spinning on a lathe. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Salim Marzuki > Sent: 04 January 2003 17:23 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Idler problem. > > > > Hi Tom, my 482 used to do that and i noticed there's a flat 'spot' on the > hardened rubber. I'm lucky to be able to find an approx. similar diameter > (although narrower) ring - but getting rubber out from the > mechanism without > breaking it was quite difficult. Why don't you use the 480 idler for your > 505 and try to grind the flat spot out for the 480. Put deck in FF and > slowly rub a sandpaper against the running idler - better use your 480 > mechanism for this process as it has more open space inside. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release Date: 30/12/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Jan 6 05:39:34 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 15:39:34 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] TDK MA-XG gen III shell Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201E35@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi all. How many of you are/have used the TDK MA-XG gen III shell, the non metal looking type? Have any of you found the quality of this tape and shell to be less impressive and lower in quality than it's predecessors? Regards Tom Siomopoulos. From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Tue Jan 7 22:36:43 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 08:36:43 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] sticky Dragon Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201E3B@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Alex is it the wheel that has the belt around it? Tom Siomopoulos -----Original Message----- From: Alex Cagann [mailto:alex at autoconsortium.com] Sent: Wednesday, 8 January 2003 8:06 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] sticky Dragon My Dragon likes to stick from time to time. Today, I put a tape in, hit play...nothing. If I tap on the case (don't kill me...I know :-(...it starts to play. This had happened a few months ago and I gave the play mechanism a help and it went. I guess this is part of the silent mechanism feature that pushes the heads up and gets things going. (excuse my articulation here, I'm no tech). It's a large white 'wheel' that takes a half spin and gets things going. I have cleaned the rubber parts associated with this mechanism with alcohol. Is there something I need to replace? I don't want to ship this thing off for such a small mechanical problem, so I was looking here for any 'been there done that's'. Thanks, Alex Cagann http://www.autoconsortium.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jan 7 23:24:35 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 22:24:35 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] RE: 680ZX high frequency problem In-Reply-To: <3E1AF6E9.12086.6D101BA@localhost> Message-ID: <000e01c2b69b$8efc9820$7f6d87d9@oemcomputer> "Burp!" Feeling better now ... > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Ol' Jim, hisself > Sent: 07 January 2003 20:49 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: 680ZX high frequency problem > > > > Damn! Too late .... > > > > > I'm not sure what you meant to say, BUT BE WARNED: Isopropyl > > > alcohol, regardless of > > > purity, is poisonous! Do NOT use it for cooking and drinking!!!!! > > > > > > Only ethyl alcohol is suitable for ingestion. > > > > > > > > OKay, Graham, > > Quickly, very quickly, write as follows: I, being of sound mind, > de hereby bequeath all > my sound equipment and loose change to Ol' Jim, hisself! > > Sign it, and then continue drinking. > > > Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida > hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com > > An armed society is a polite society. > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release Date: 30/12/02 From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jan 7 23:29:45 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 22:29:45 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] RE: 680ZX high frequency problem In-Reply-To: <3E1B45F1.14C18F36@rcn.com> Message-ID: <001101c2b69c$47f531c0$7f6d87d9@oemcomputer> > > It's true that it's poisonous, but if you drink enough of > it, you won't care. > > -- Ron > > > AH! So, that's why I feel better ... --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release Date: 30/12/02 From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Tue Jan 7 23:34:00 2003 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 23:34:00 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RE: 680ZX high frequency problem In-Reply-To: <3E1B45F1.14C18F36@rcn.com> References: <003601c2b632$16fa07e0$8f2b3b50@PcComunero> <3E1ABC4C.12726.5EC0E56@localhost> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030107233311.00a7f8b0@box.tin.it> That's right ! ... I hadn't enough ... hic ! Ezio At 04:26 PM 1/7/03 -0500, you wrote: >"Ol' Jim, hisself" wrote: > > > > > I strongly suggest you ask you trusted chemist !!!!!!!!!!! > > > In Italy (where the commerce of alchool is almost free ....) it is the > > > only way to buy it . The isopropilic is an ordinary achool but 99% > > > PURE ! and this is making a big difference with 95% (for cooking and > > > drinks preparation) . > > > > > > > I'm not sure what you meant to say, BUT BE WARNED: Isopropyl alcohol, > regardless of > > purity, is poisonous! Do NOT use it for cooking and drinking!!!!! > >It's true that it's poisonous, but if you drink enough of >it, you won't care. > >-- Ron > > > > > Only ethyl alcohol is suitable for ingestion. > > > > Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida > > hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com > > > > An armed society is a polite society. > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com From nicy at ya.com Wed Jan 8 00:57:15 2003 From: nicy at ya.com (JGascon) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 00:57:15 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RE: 680ZX high frequency problem References: <003601c2b632$16fa07e0$8f2b3b50@PcComunero> <3E1ABC4C.12726.5EC0E56@localhost> <5.1.0.14.2.20030107233311.00a7f8b0@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <000501c2b6a8$82571020$8f2b3b50@PcComunero> Hi all, I would need the CR4 service manual. My deck is working fine but...I need to play! Javier. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ezio" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 11:34 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: 680ZX high frequency problem > That's right ! ... I hadn't enough ... hic ! > > Ezio > > At 04:26 PM 1/7/03 -0500, you wrote: > > > >"Ol' Jim, hisself" wrote: > > > > > > > I strongly suggest you ask you trusted chemist !!!!!!!!!!! > > > > In Italy (where the commerce of alchool is almost free ....) it is the > > > > only way to buy it . The isopropilic is an ordinary achool but 99% > > > > PURE ! and this is making a big difference with 95% (for cooking and > > > > drinks preparation) . > > > > > > > > > > I'm not sure what you meant to say, BUT BE WARNED: Isopropyl alcohol, > > regardless of > > > purity, is poisonous! Do NOT use it for cooking and drinking!!!!! > > > >It's true that it's poisonous, but if you drink enough of > >it, you won't care. > > > >-- Ron > > > > > > > > > Only ethyl alcohol is suitable for ingestion. > > > > > > Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida > > > hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com > > > > > > An armed society is a polite society. > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >To maintain your account please go here: > >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > > > > Sincerely > > Ezio Lucenti > > Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > From kannan_s at vsnl.com Wed Jan 8 01:48:46 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 06:18:46 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] sticky Dragon Message-ID: <20030108004846.C3894114916@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From jmtooley at ce.net Wed Jan 8 02:26:43 2003 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 20:26:43 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape References: <3CD92F39.000006.00560@CopyTech> Message-ID: <00c601c2b6b5$011e8b70$1a116343@johnnyrotten> Carlos Any news on the Marathon tape saga? John ----- Original Message ----- From: El Magnifico To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 8:59 AM Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape Ladies and Gentlemen: As a last tribute to the long life media , the cassette, I'll be mailing a C-90 chrome tape with a song recorded in it on the deck of my preference to a fellow member of this list, perhaps Mr. Bleus. He'll receive it, record a tune of his prefs' in his beloved Nak 505 etc ... and pass it to another member and so on. When we finish recording it, the last person will return it to me in Puerto Rico. Each member must pay the PRIORITY MAIL fee. A register sheet must companion the tape everywhere around the globe. We'll keep the tunes no longer than 5 minutes even if that selection must be trimmed down with a fade out etc ... IN other words: No tunes over 5 minutes long, PLEASE ! Try to keep the audio levels estbalished by the origin, ME. Dolby or not Dolby ? NO DOLBY OR ANY KIND OF NRU's ! Any time the tape arrived at your house, you un-packed it and follow the instructions inside. After filing the form and record the tune, re-packed and send it to the other member waiting and so on. We'll follow the route by this media: e mails. Anyone interested ? Mr. Bleus will have the tape after me. Who's next ? Best, Carlos aka The Tape Man Copies could be made later ... ____________________________________________________ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marrot at singnet.com.sg Wed Jan 8 06:38:48 2003 From: marrot at singnet.com.sg (Martin) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 14:38:48 +0900 Subject: [naktalk] Dirty Heads - Using Commercial Cleaning Cassette ? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030107201321.00a7ab50@box.tin.it> Message-ID: I just bought a commercial cleaning tape which I intend to use on my (second hand purchase) DR1 after it arrives. Anybody have experience on how this type of cleaning compares to the isopropyl alcohol cleaning recommended by Kannan ? Ideally, the professional cleaning tape is causing the least amount damage to the heads but I have a feeling that it could do more harm than good. Any comments from experienced Nak users very welcome !!! Martin ++++++++++++++++++ -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ezio Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 4:16 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: 680ZX high frequency problem You are right .... in Italy people has used that to prepare fake wine and spirits and many people had to be recovered in hospital ... it is because the isopropilic is containing methanole and ethanole together with ethilic .... and they are poisonous Ezio At 11:38 AM 1/7/03 -0500, you wrote: > > I strongly suggest you ask you trusted chemist !!!!!!!!!!! > > In Italy (where the commerce of alchool is almost free ....) it is the > > only way to buy it . The isopropilic is an ordinary achool but 99% > > PURE ! and this is making a big difference with 95% (for cooking and > > drinks preparation) . > > > >I'm not sure what you meant to say, BUT BE WARNED: Isopropyl alcohol, >regardless of >purity, is poisonous! Do NOT use it for cooking and drinking!!!!! > >Only ethyl alcohol is suitable for ingestion. > > >Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida >hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com > >An armed society is a polite society. > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From josephj69 at juno.com Wed Jan 8 06:58:59 2003 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 00:58:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: best place to buy tubes Message-ID: <20030108.010427.-274559.0.josephj69@juno.com> Hi guys, I know this is OT, but this list seems to be one of the more reliable sources of info out there. I just bought a (used/cheap) pair of those Antique Sound Labs Wave amplifiers on a whim. They came with no tubes, so I need four 6BM8 tubes for them. Does anyone have any suggestions on the best tubes to use, and more importantly, the best place to buy them from??? A lot of people on AA seem to feel that all 6BM8's sound very good anyway. Most seem to think the Svetlanas are the best value overall, at about $9 each. Any other suggestions? Anyone else heard these little amps? Thanks, Joe ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Wed Jan 8 07:18:30 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 08:18:30 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Dirty Heads - Using Commercial Cleaning Cassette ?MARTIN!! Message-ID: Hi Martin, I consider those commercial head cleaning tapes a necessary evil for car units. They are only slightly better than "speading the dirt evenly". They are inexpensive because they should only be used two or three times in my opinion - but not for classy home decks like a DR1. A cotton bud, the best quality you can find Generous wadding and tightly wound) (Stephen Sank always recommends woooden shaft ones) tipped with 90%+ wood alcohol I find is good for precised cleaning of the head surfaces. Stroke them gently and evenly. Remove the door and use a torch (flash light) to see what you're doing. Don't touch rubber surfaces. On some of my Naks, the capstans spin while the unit is powered up and some don't. Of course, if the capstan shafts spin, cleaning them is made easier than if they don't. Use one end of each bud only. The other touches your hand, and therefore is no longer clean. 'Visible dirt' is sufficient dirt to change to a fresh cotton bud straight away. Dry the heads with a clean dry bud, gently stroking again. Leave the cassette bay door open for 5 minutes after you have cleaned to allow residual alcohol to evaporate. This is just a precaution, obviously it should not be "awash" with alcohol!! The playback head has a pad lifter device fitted. For regular cleaning, leave it and don't push against it - just work over it, in between it and around it. I have never, myself, removed them. Of course there are blokes here who have and they can give you some guidence on that. You should be able to get that alcohol at your regular dispensing pharmacy. As soon as you have dipped your cotton bud into it, replace the cap, or it will evaporate pronto! Surgical alcohol is out - too much in the way of oily exicipients and bacteriostats. It has been suggested to use an equally small cleaning stick, tipped with a small piece of chamois(shammy) leather. This is soft and absorbent, and of course lint free. Good luck. Regards, Marc >>> marrot at singnet.com.sg 01/08/03 07:38AM >>> I just bought a commercial cleaning tape which I intend to use on my (second hand purchase) DR1 after it arrives. Anybody have experience on how this type of cleaning compares to the isopropyl alcohol cleaning recommended by Kannan ? Ideally, the professional cleaning tape is causing the least amount damage to the heads but I have a feeling that it could do more harm than good. Any comments from experienced Nak users very welcome !!! Martin ++++++++++++++++++ -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ezio Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 4:16 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: 680ZX high frequency problem You are right .... in Italy people has used that to prepare fake wine and spirits and many people had to be recovered in hospital ... it is because the isopropilic is containing methanole and ethanole together with ethilic .... and they are poisonous Ezio At 11:38 AM 1/7/03 -0500, you wrote: > > I strongly suggest you ask you trusted chemist !!!!!!!!!!! > > In Italy (where the commerce of alchool is almost free ....) it is the > > only way to buy it . The isopropilic is an ordinary achool but 99% > > PURE ! and this is making a big difference with 95% (for cooking and > > drinks preparation) . > > > >I'm not sure what you meant to say, BUT BE WARNED: Isopropyl alcohol, >regardless of >purity, is poisonous! Do NOT use it for cooking and drinking!!!!! > >Only ethyl alcohol is suitable for ingestion. > > >Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida >hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com > >An armed society is a polite society. > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From kannan_s at vsnl.com Wed Jan 8 08:04:18 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 12:34:18 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Dirty Heads - Using Commercial Cleaning Cassette ?MARTIN!! Message-ID: <20030108070418.407B91149E4@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From sandorpistike at hotmail.com Wed Jan 8 14:51:46 2003 From: sandorpistike at hotmail.com (Sndor Istvn) Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 14:51:46 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Dirty Heads - Using Commercial Cleaning Cassette ? Message-ID: Hi, I am not an expert of Naks, I "only" use, but do not service my ZX-7. All I have done is to clean the heads and the capstan pins (is it the right term for that small spinning spike?). The repair-guy, who tuned my deck 3-4 years ago said to me it has no sense to use any type of commercial stuffs, eg. demagnetizer cassettes, cleaning tapes etc. I think there is no better than the usual alcohol for cleaning. It should be clean, that's all. And be aware of the side effects... (The reason for using alcohol is very simple, I think: it must evaporate quickly, without residues, and isopropyl alcohol is less volatile than the well-know denatured-alcohol. This is a mixture of methyl and ethyl alcohol, the methyl is poisonous indeed, but you won't drink it, I hope.) Best regards, Istv�n from Hungary >From: "Martin" >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: >Subject: [naktalk] Dirty Heads - Using Commercial Cleaning Cassette ? >Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 14:38:48 +0900 > >I just bought a commercial cleaning tape which I intend to use on my >(second >hand purchase) DR1 after it arrives. > >Anybody have experience on how this type of cleaning compares to the >isopropyl alcohol cleaning recommended by Kannan ? > >Ideally, the professional cleaning tape is causing the least amount damage >to the heads but I have a feeling that it could do more harm than good. > >Any comments from experienced Nak users very welcome !!! > >Martin > >++++++++++++++++++ > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of >Ezio >Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 4:16 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: 680ZX high frequency problem > > >You are right .... in Italy people has used that to prepare fake wine and >spirits and many people had to be recovered in hospital ... it is because >the isopropilic is containing methanole and ethanole together with ethilic >.... and they are poisonous > > >Ezio > > >At 11:38 AM 1/7/03 -0500, you wrote: > > > I strongly suggest you ask you trusted chemist !!!!!!!!!!! > > > In Italy (where the commerce of alchool is almost free ....) it is the > > > only way to buy it . The isopropilic is an ordinary achool but 99% > > > PURE ! and this is making a big difference with 95% (for cooking and > > > drinks preparation) . > > > > > > >I'm not sure what you meant to say, BUT BE WARNED: Isopropyl alcohol, > >regardless of > >purity, is poisonous! Do NOT use it for cooking and drinking!!!!! > > > >Only ethyl alcohol is suitable for ingestion. > > > > > >Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida > >hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com > > > >An armed society is a polite society. > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= >======== > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >To maintain your account please go here: > >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= >======== > > > > >Sincerely > >Ezio Lucenti > >Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Jan 8 16:49:06 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 10:49:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dirty Heads - Using Commercial Cleaning Cassette ? References: Message-ID: <3E1C4872.9A66FBA9@rcn.com> In general, cleaning tapes are abrasive and, as such, must cause *some* wear on the heads. I bought one many years ago and have only used it on the car cassette player -- very sparingly and very carefully -- where it does do its job as advertised. My horror story has to do with a VHS video cassette recorder. Happened to an acquaintance of mine. He started the cleaning cassette going when the phone rang... He claimed the call only took 'a couple of seconds', but the long and short of it was, when he came back, the heads had joined their ancestors in cassette head heaven... Turned out to be an extremely expensive head cleaning job. So, if you must use a cleaning tape, be very careful. Read the instructions. Those I've seen had a warning to limit cleaning time to 15 or 30 seconds. -- Ron Martin wrote: > > I just bought a commercial cleaning tape which I intend to use on my (second > hand purchase) DR1 after it arrives. > > Anybody have experience on how this type of cleaning compares to the > isopropyl alcohol cleaning recommended by Kannan ? > > Ideally, the professional cleaning tape is causing the least amount damage > to the heads but I have a feeling that it could do more harm than good. > > Any comments from experienced Nak users very welcome !!! > > Martin > > ++++++++++++++++++ > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Ezio > Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 4:16 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: 680ZX high frequency problem > > You are right .... in Italy people has used that to prepare fake wine and > spirits and many people had to be recovered in hospital ... it is because > the isopropilic is containing methanole and ethanole together with ethilic > .... and they are poisonous > > Ezio > > At 11:38 AM 1/7/03 -0500, you wrote: > > > I strongly suggest you ask you trusted chemist !!!!!!!!!!! > > > In Italy (where the commerce of alchool is almost free ....) it is the > > > only way to buy it . The isopropilic is an ordinary achool but 99% > > > PURE ! and this is making a big difference with 95% (for cooking and > > > drinks preparation) . > > > > > > >I'm not sure what you meant to say, BUT BE WARNED: Isopropyl alcohol, > >regardless of > >purity, is poisonous! Do NOT use it for cooking and drinking!!!!! > > > >Only ethyl alcohol is suitable for ingestion. > > > > > >Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida > >hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com > > > >An armed society is a polite society. > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > ======== > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >To maintain your account please go here: > >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > ======== > > > > Sincerely > > Ezio Lucenti > > Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From sarin at mit.edu Wed Jan 8 19:30:07 2003 From: sarin at mit.edu (Pradeep Sarin) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 13:30:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] Two newbie questions (related LX-3 and 250/350/550) Message-ID: Hi I am mostly a lurker/newbie, but I have greatly benefited from the collective wisdom of this list! I have two questions: 1) I recently acquired a 'fixer' LX-3 deck for playback purposes (I have a CR-7, which I use to record). The only thing wrong with it was that if you hit record, it would jam up - the seller claimed that by opening the deck and reseating a few levers, he could get it back. Well, it's been serving great duty as a playback deck, until my roommate accidentally hit record on it :( Now it is jammed! I opened it up in an attempt to reset the levers as the seller had said, but I am not quite clear on what to do. A motor on the bottom right of the deck seems to be running all the time that the deck is powered up. It does go into a weak rewind, but no playback/ff. The master motor/flywheels do turn when I hit play/ff, but the head/pinch roller assembly does not move up to engage (and the tape doesn't advance). I was hoping to get some troubleshooting help from you folks? I dearly love this deck and it would be great to have it back in working condition! 2) Does anyone have opinions/advice on the old 250/350/550 portable nakamichi decks? I am looking to get one for my nephew since he is interested in location recording. From the specs they look like they have a built in mic mixer, and are supposed to be pretty rugged. Any opinions on fidelity? Thanks in advance for any help/info you may be able to provide! Cheers - Pradeep From kannan_s at vsnl.com Wed Jan 8 20:05:56 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 00:35:56 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Two newbie questions (related LX-3 and 250/350/550) Message-ID: <20030108190556.871F1114927@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From n.van.wijnen at home.nl Wed Jan 8 20:18:23 2003 From: n.van.wijnen at home.nl (norman van wijnen) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 20:18:23 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RX505 service manual Message-ID: <001201c2b74a$b639cf20$0200a7c0@AsusT533> Hi Naktalkers, i've uploaded a high quality pdf version of the complete RX505 service manual. have fun with it Norman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sarin at mit.edu Wed Jan 8 21:19:15 2003 From: sarin at mit.edu (Pradeep Sarin) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 15:19:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nakamichi LX-3 problem solved! In-Reply-To: <20030108190702.13904.64805.Mailman@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: Hello all, Thanks for the quick info! The problem was solved using the helpful manuals provided - I desoldered the voltage input to the control-cam motor (to temporarily prevent it from turning - i didn't want to put it under too much strain). Then looked at the serrated cam-gear and sure enough it was stuck at the record position. A little bit of fiddling with a tiny latch preventing it from turning, and it came unloose. I have my beloved LX-3 working again. Hmm, now that I have the service manual, maybe I'll go ahead and check the alignments etc. Anything blatant I should look for? I am also thinking of disabling the record button permanently so that this mishap doesn't occur again! Now about my second question regarding the 250/350/550 series portable decks?... I am not particularly looking for a Nagra equivalent here, but rugged-ness and the built-in 3 channel mic mixer does make them sound like a good idea (pun intended). Cheers - pradeep From n.van.wijnen at home.nl Wed Jan 8 21:47:12 2003 From: n.van.wijnen at home.nl (norman van wijnen) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 21:47:12 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nakamichi LX-3 problem solved! References: Message-ID: <001401c2b757$1ee1fdc0$0200a7c0@AsusT533> Hi, the problem can't be so big that you have to remove the record button. Go for the part of the manual to check if the cam wheel stands in the good position and check the rubber belt from the motor to the camwheel replace it if you suspect the belt. Hardened grease can be potential problem. Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pradeep Sarin" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 9:19 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nakamichi LX-3 problem solved! > > Hello all, > > Thanks for the quick info! The problem was solved using the helpful > manuals provided - I desoldered the voltage input to the control-cam motor > (to temporarily prevent it from turning - i didn't want to put it under > too much strain). Then looked at the serrated cam-gear and sure enough it > was stuck at the record position. A little bit of fiddling with a tiny > latch preventing it from turning, and it came unloose. I have my beloved > LX-3 working again. > > Hmm, now that I have the service manual, maybe I'll go ahead and check the > alignments etc. Anything blatant I should look for? I am also thinking of > disabling the record button permanently so that this mishap doesn't occur > again! > > Now about my second question regarding the 250/350/550 series portable > decks?... I am not particularly looking for a Nagra equivalent here, but > rugged-ness and the built-in 3 channel mic mixer does make them sound like > a good idea (pun intended). > > Cheers - > > pradeep > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Wed Jan 8 21:52:54 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 02:22:54 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nakamichi LX-3 problem solved! Message-ID: <20030108205254.CB50F114950@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From hzl88 at msn.com Wed Jan 8 22:05:37 2003 From: hzl88 at msn.com (marc) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 16:05:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Two newbie questions (related LX-3 and 250/350/550) References: Message-ID: <013801c2b759$b2ef6140$a12e1943@Marc> As an owner of 2 550's, I can't say enough how great they are. But as mentioned earlier, the 550 is extremely bulky to cart around for on location recording, not to mention the 8 D-cells it takes to run the darn thing! And you can totally forget about stealth-taping a show! My personal choice for analog location taping is the Sony TC-D5m (Pro version has XLR mic inputs instead of 1/4" ), and you can always get a small mic mixer if you want to do a 3-mic blend. Uher makes some really nice portable cassette decks, but they are pretty hard to find in the US. Hope this helps, -Marc in NYC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pradeep Sarin" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 1:30 PM Subject: [naktalk] Two newbie questions (related LX-3 and 250/350/550) > > Hi > > I am mostly a lurker/newbie, but I have greatly benefited from the > collective wisdom of this list! I have two questions: > > 1) I recently acquired a 'fixer' LX-3 deck for playback purposes (I have a > CR-7, which I use to record). The only thing wrong with it was that > if you hit record, it would jam up - the seller claimed that > by opening the deck and reseating a few levers, he could get it back. > Well, it's been serving great duty as a playback deck, until my > roommate accidentally hit record on it :( > > Now it is jammed! I opened it up in an attempt to reset the levers > as the seller had said, but I am not quite clear on what to do. > A motor on the bottom right of the deck seems to be running all the > time that the deck is powered up. It does go into a weak rewind, > but no playback/ff. The master motor/flywheels do turn when I hit > play/ff, but the head/pinch roller assembly does not move up to engage > (and the tape doesn't advance). > > I was hoping to get some troubleshooting help from you folks? I dearly > love this deck and it would be great to have it back in working > condition! > > 2) Does anyone have opinions/advice on the old 250/350/550 portable nakamichi > decks? I am looking to get one for my nephew since he is interested > in location recording. From the specs they look like they have a built > in mic mixer, and are supposed to be pretty rugged. Any opinions on > fidelity? > > Thanks in advance for any help/info you may be able to provide! > > Cheers - > > Pradeep > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > From wjw at warwick.net Wed Jan 8 23:03:10 2003 From: wjw at warwick.net (Bill Wheatley) Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 17:03:10 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dirty Heads - Using Commercial Cleaning Cassette ? References: <3E1C4872.9A66FBA9@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3E1CA01E.A65B7DD2@warwick.net> Yes- a fellow who serviced my video machine told me that the worst thing you can do to a VHS machine is to rent anything but the newest releases from a video shop, and , coming in a close 2nd, is to use a commercial head cleaning 'tape' (either wet or dry) to ruin...er... 'clean' the heads. Hooray for DVDs. Naks are really easy to clean using the good ol' isopropyl alcohol and cotton swab technique. On some models you can push the 'play' button after you remove the outside cover, and it will raise the heads a bit, to make them even easier to access for cleaning. Ron wrote: > > In general, cleaning tapes are abrasive and, as such, must > cause *some* wear on the heads. I bought one many years ago > and have only used it on the car cassette player -- very > sparingly and very carefully -- where it does do its job > as advertised. > > My horror story has to do with a VHS video cassette > recorder. Happened to an acquaintance of mine. He started > the cleaning cassette going when the phone rang... He > claimed the call only took 'a couple of seconds', but the > long and short of it was, when he came back, the heads had > joined their ancestors in cassette head heaven... Turned > out to be an extremely expensive head cleaning job. > > So, if you must use a cleaning tape, be very careful. Read > the instructions. Those I've seen had a warning to limit > cleaning time to 15 or 30 seconds. > > -- Ron > > Martin wrote: > > > > I just bought a commercial cleaning tape which I intend to use on my (second > > hand purchase) DR1 after it arrives. > > > > Anybody have experience on how this type of cleaning compares to the > > isopropyl alcohol cleaning recommended by Kannan ? > > > > Ideally, the professional cleaning tape is causing the least amount damage > > to the heads but I have a feeling that it could do more harm than good. > > > > Any comments from experienced Nak users very welcome !!! > > > > Martin > > > > ++++++++++++++++++ > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Ezio > > Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 4:16 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: 680ZX high frequency problem > > > > You are right .... in Italy people has used that to prepare fake wine and > > spirits and many people had to be recovered in hospital ... it is because > > the isopropilic is containing methanole and ethanole together with ethilic > > .... and they are poisonous > > > > Ezio > > > > At 11:38 AM 1/7/03 -0500, you wrote: > > > > I strongly suggest you ask you trusted chemist !!!!!!!!!!! > > > > In Italy (where the commerce of alchool is almost free ....) it is the > > > > only way to buy it . The isopropilic is an ordinary achool but 99% > > > > PURE ! and this is making a big difference with 95% (for cooking and > > > > drinks preparation) . > > > > > > > > > >I'm not sure what you meant to say, BUT BE WARNED: Isopropyl alcohol, > > >regardless of > > >purity, is poisonous! Do NOT use it for cooking and drinking!!!!! > > > > > >Only ethyl alcohol is suitable for ingestion. > > > > > > > > >Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida > > >hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com > > > > > >An armed society is a polite society. > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > > ======== > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >To maintain your account please go here: > > >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > > ======== > > > > > > > Sincerely > > > > Ezio Lucenti > > > > Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Thu Jan 9 04:12:32 2003 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 22:12:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nakamichi LX-3 problem solved! References: Message-ID: <3E1CE89D.A5E7F065@snet.net> If you simply replace the cam control belt then the problem will most likely go away altogether as it's very common for them to stretch to the point where they just can't move the cam into position. Ed Pradeep Sarin wrote: > Hello all, > > Thanks for the quick info! The problem was solved using the helpful > manuals provided - I desoldered the voltage input to the control-cam motor > (to temporarily prevent it from turning - i didn't want to put it under > too much strain). Then looked at the serrated cam-gear and sure enough it > was stuck at the record position. A little bit of fiddling with a tiny > latch preventing it from turning, and it came unloose. I have my beloved > LX-3 working again. > > Hmm, now that I have the service manual, maybe I'll go ahead and check the > alignments etc. Anything blatant I should look for? I am also thinking of > disabling the record button permanently so that this mishap doesn't occur > again! > > Now about my second question regarding the 250/350/550 series portable > decks?... I am not particularly looking for a Nagra equivalent here, but > rugged-ness and the built-in 3 channel mic mixer does make them sound like > a good idea (pun intended). > > Cheers - > > pradeep > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roleo at telus.net Thu Jan 9 04:52:33 2003 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 19:52:33 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Dimensions Needed References: <004b01c2b0e8$6cca6560$8b05fad5@dusan> <3E121887.E4B86A02@rcn.com> <000701c2b1d6$a8ced480$05a2b742@desktop> <003e01c2b22f$551ce800$a4c661d8@primeevil> <000c01c2b274$126a9300$530ab0cb@honrado7ignxhf> Message-ID: <000f01c2b792$8ae4e4c0$05a2b742@desktop> I'm looking for a Nakamichi RC-4 Remote Signal Converter. If anyone has one they are interested in selling or knows where I can get one, I'd be interested in hearing from them offline @ roleo at telus.net Thanx, Roland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noisi80 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 9 06:22:38 2003 From: noisi80 at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?SANDRA=20MU=D1OZ?=) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 23:22:38 -0600 (CST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak RX-202 Message-ID: <20030109052238.91950.qmail@web21406.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, I want to transfer some tapes to digital (24bits, 96k). I have access to a Nak RX-202 and a Technics RS-TR 333. My question is how are these 2 decks compared with the other higher-end naks like the Dragon ??? The tapes are TDK MA-XG, where recorded with a mid 90's Teac deck with Dolby C. Thanks in advance!!!! _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Información de Estados Unidos y América Latina, en Yahoo! Noticias. Visítanos en http://noticias.espanol.yahoo.com From John at jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk Thu Jan 9 07:10:07 2003 From: John at jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 06:10:07 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] RE: 680ZX high frequency problem References: <20030107064411.ED1C5114916@webmail.vsnl.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20030107134201.00a77d50@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <3E1D123F.8020600@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Some points of clarification. Methyl, ethyl, isopropyl alchohols are different chemical compounds. They are closely related members of the same family (they are derived, respectively from methane, ethane and propane) but they have different properties: Methyl alcohol - AKA wood spirit. *Poisonous* Ethyl alcohol - the active constituent of alchoholic drinks, gets you p*ssed without physical harm (unless you fight, drive, or do it to excess over your lifetime) Isopropyl alchohol - this is the substance to use for cleaning heads, records etc. Cannot be obtained (in the UK) from a pharmacy. I get mine from Maplin - outside UK, try Tandy, Radio Shack, Radio Spares. Buy it pure, and dilute with distilled or deionised water to clean records. I have used it to clean my stylus without damage to the glue, despite dire warnings posted on this group. Methylated spirits, also known as denatured alchohol - this is commonly available, and is used as a solvent and a fuel. It consists of pure *ethyl* alcohol to which a proportion of methyl alcohol has been added to render it undrinkable by humans. Unfortunately, some do. I understand that connoisseurs prefer the 'pink' to the 'blue'. John Walker From stan.targowski at attbi.com Thu Jan 9 16:28:45 2003 From: stan.targowski at attbi.com (Stan Targowski) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 09:28:45 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nak RX-202 In-Reply-To: <20030109052238.91950.qmail@web21406.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Sandra - The right match between playback head azymuth and Dolby C circuits is critical. You can address the azymuth, there isn't much you can do re: Dolby C compatibility. In your particular situation, when you do not have access to the original TEAC unit used for recording, the best deck for the purpose would be one with playback azymuth control - Dragon in particular. NAK 202 is a much better unit than the Technics RS-TR333, but there exists a possibility that Technics can play the TEAC made tapes better. My recommendation would be to listen to your tapes on both decks and see which one plays them better. Stan -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of SANDRA MUÑOZ Sent: Wed, January 08, 2003 11:23 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nak RX-202 Hi, I want to transfer some tapes to digital (24bits, 96k). I have access to a Nak RX-202 and a Technics RS-TR 333. My question is how are these 2 decks compared with the other higher-end naks like the Dragon ??? The tapes are TDK MA-XG, where recorded with a mid 90's Teac deck with Dolby C. Thanks in advance!!!! _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Información de Estados Unidos y América Latina, en Yahoo! Noticias. Visítanos en http://noticias.espanol.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From nicy at ya.com Thu Jan 9 17:17:24 2003 From: nicy at ya.com (JGascon) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 17:17:24 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak RX-202 References: Message-ID: <001c01c2b7fa$a406a0c0$8f2b3b50@PcComunero> Hi all, A question about ZX. I know there is no visable switch on the back of the machine however I´ve been told that the specification page under the heading power source reads----"100,120, 120/220-240, 220 or 240V AC; 50/60Hz (According to country of sale). Does it means it can easily be switched to 220vols? Someone has purchased a 110volts ZX-7 and changed it to 220volts? And ZX-9? Javier. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Targowski" To: Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 4:28 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak RX-202 > Sandra - > > The right match between playback head azymuth and Dolby C circuits is > critical. You can address the azymuth, there isn't much you can do re: Dolby > C compatibility. > > In your particular situation, when you do not have access to the original > TEAC unit used for recording, the best deck for the purpose would be one > with playback azymuth control - Dragon in particular. > > NAK 202 is a much better unit than the Technics RS-TR333, but there exists a > possibility that Technics can play the TEAC made tapes better. > > My recommendation would be to listen to your tapes on both decks and see > which one plays them better. > > Stan > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > SANDRA MUÑOZ > Sent: Wed, January 08, 2003 11:23 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Nak RX-202 > > > Hi, > > I want to transfer some tapes to digital (24bits, > 96k). I have access to a Nak RX-202 and a > Technics RS-TR 333. My question is how are these > 2 decks compared with the other higher-end naks > like the Dragon ??? > > The tapes are TDK MA-XG, where recorded with a > mid 90's Teac deck with Dolby C. > > > > Thanks in advance!!!! > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Información de Estados Unidos y América Latina, en Yahoo! Noticias. > Visítanos en http://noticias.espanol.yahoo.com > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Jan 9 18:32:54 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 12:32:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak RX-202 References: <001c01c2b7fa$a406a0c0$8f2b3b50@PcComunero> Message-ID: <3E1DB246.EB29E181@rcn.com> I don't know about your particular ZX, but this specification would imply that there are 3 different versions. This is similar to the CR-7, with which I am familiar. 1. 110V (i.e. CR-7a, for the US market) 2. 220V or 240V (i.e. CR-7e, for the European market) 3. 110V, 220V or 240V (i.e. CR-7, for other markets). Line voltage selection in CR-7e is done by jumpers, internally. In CR-7, Selection between 110V and 220V is done with a switch, and selection between 220V and 240V is done internally, with a jumper. Hope this helps, -- Ron JGascon wrote: > > Hi all, > A question about ZX. I know there is no visable switch on the back of the > machine however I´ve been told that the specification page under the heading > power source reads----"100,120, > 120/220-240, 220 or 240V AC; 50/60Hz (According to country of sale). > Does it means it can easily be switched to 220vols? > Someone has purchased a 110volts ZX-7 and changed it to 220volts? > And ZX-9? > Javier. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stan Targowski" > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 4:28 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak RX-202 > > > Sandra - > > > > The right match between playback head azymuth and Dolby C circuits is > > critical. You can address the azymuth, there isn't much you can do re: > Dolby > > C compatibility. > > > > In your particular situation, when you do not have access to the original > > TEAC unit used for recording, the best deck for the purpose would be one > > with playback azymuth control - Dragon in particular. > > > > NAK 202 is a much better unit than the Technics RS-TR333, but there exists > a > > possibility that Technics can play the TEAC made tapes better. > > > > My recommendation would be to listen to your tapes on both decks and see > > which one plays them better. > > > > Stan > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > SANDRA MUÑOZ > > Sent: Wed, January 08, 2003 11:23 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] Nak RX-202 > > > > > > Hi, > > > > I want to transfer some tapes to digital (24bits, > > 96k). I have access to a Nak RX-202 and a > > Technics RS-TR 333. My question is how are these > > 2 decks compared with the other higher-end naks > > like the Dragon ??? > > > > The tapes are TDK MA-XG, where recorded with a > > mid 90's Teac deck with Dolby C. > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance!!!! > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Información de Estados Unidos y América Latina, en Yahoo! Noticias. > > Visítanos en http://noticias.espanol.yahoo.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roleo at telus.net Thu Jan 9 18:41:37 2003 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 09:41:37 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nak RX-202 References: <001c01c2b7fa$a406a0c0$8f2b3b50@PcComunero> Message-ID: <002801c2b806$5cbe86e0$05a2b742@desktop> Not sure about the RX-202, however, I recently purchased a TASCAM Pro CD Recorder designed for use in a 220v environment, whereas I live in North America with a 110v supply. I called TEAC/TASCAM and they faxed me over the schematics to make the switch. Just took changing a jumper soldered at one point at switched it to another on one of the boards. Make sure you know what you are doing first though otherwise you could be sorry. Best to get a schematic before starting. --Roland ----- Original Message ----- From: "JGascon" To: Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 8:17 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak RX-202 > Hi all, > A question about ZX. I know there is no visable switch on the back of the > machine however I´ve been told that the specification page under the heading > power source reads----"100,120, > 120/220-240, 220 or 240V AC; 50/60Hz (According to country of sale). > Does it means it can easily be switched to 220vols? > Someone has purchased a 110volts ZX-7 and changed it to 220volts? > And ZX-9? > Javier. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stan Targowski" > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 4:28 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak RX-202 > > > > Sandra - > > > > The right match between playback head azymuth and Dolby C circuits is > > critical. You can address the azymuth, there isn't much you can do re: > Dolby > > C compatibility. > > > > In your particular situation, when you do not have access to the original > > TEAC unit used for recording, the best deck for the purpose would be one > > with playback azymuth control - Dragon in particular. > > > > NAK 202 is a much better unit than the Technics RS-TR333, but there exists > a > > possibility that Technics can play the TEAC made tapes better. > > > > My recommendation would be to listen to your tapes on both decks and see > > which one plays them better. > > > > Stan > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > SANDRA MUÑOZ > > Sent: Wed, January 08, 2003 11:23 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] Nak RX-202 > > > > > > Hi, > > > > I want to transfer some tapes to digital (24bits, > > 96k). I have access to a Nak RX-202 and a > > Technics RS-TR 333. My question is how are these > > 2 decks compared with the other higher-end naks > > like the Dragon ??? > > > > The tapes are TDK MA-XG, where recorded with a > > mid 90's Teac deck with Dolby C. > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance!!!! > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Información de Estados Unidos y América Latina, en Yahoo! Noticias. > > Visítanos en http://noticias.espanol.yahoo.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > From nicy at ya.com Thu Jan 9 19:09:28 2003 From: nicy at ya.com (JGascon) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 19:09:28 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7, ZX-9 voltage selector. References: <001c01c2b7fa$a406a0c0$8f2b3b50@PcComunero> <002801c2b806$5cbe86e0$05a2b742@desktop> Message-ID: <001501c2b80a$4c9df800$8f2b3b50@PcComunero> Hi again, What I want to know is if every ZX-7 and ZX-9 deck has de voltage selector at the back (or changing a jumper...) Javier. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roland Alford" To: Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 6:41 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak RX-202 > Not sure about the RX-202, however, I recently purchased a TASCAM Pro CD > Recorder designed for use in a 220v environment, whereas I live in North > America with a 110v supply. > > I called TEAC/TASCAM and they faxed me over the schematics to make the > switch. Just took changing a jumper soldered at one point at switched it to > another on one of the boards. > > Make sure you know what you are doing first though otherwise you could be > sorry. Best to get a schematic before starting. > > --Roland > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JGascon" > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 8:17 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak RX-202 > > > > Hi all, > > A question about ZX. I know there is no visable switch on the back of the > > machine however I´ve been told that the specification page under the > heading > > power source reads----"100,120, > > 120/220-240, 220 or 240V AC; 50/60Hz (According to country of sale). > > Does it means it can easily be switched to 220vols? > > Someone has purchased a 110volts ZX-7 and changed it to 220volts? > > And ZX-9? > > Javier. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stan Targowski" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 4:28 PM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak RX-202 > > > > > > > Sandra - > > > > > > The right match between playback head azymuth and Dolby C circuits is > > > critical. You can address the azymuth, there isn't much you can do re: > > Dolby > > > C compatibility. > > > > > > In your particular situation, when you do not have access to the > original > > > TEAC unit used for recording, the best deck for the purpose would be one > > > with playback azymuth control - Dragon in particular. > > > > > > NAK 202 is a much better unit than the Technics RS-TR333, but there > exists > > a > > > possibility that Technics can play the TEAC made tapes better. > > > > > > My recommendation would be to listen to your tapes on both decks and see > > > which one plays them better. > > > > > > Stan > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > SANDRA MUÑOZ > > > Sent: Wed, January 08, 2003 11:23 PM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: [naktalk] Nak RX-202 > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I want to transfer some tapes to digital (24bits, > > > 96k). I have access to a Nak RX-202 and a > > > Technics RS-TR 333. My question is how are these > > > 2 decks compared with the other higher-end naks > > > like the Dragon ??? > > > > > > The tapes are TDK MA-XG, where recorded with a > > > mid 90's Teac deck with Dolby C. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance!!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Información de Estados Unidos y América Latina, en Yahoo! Noticias. > > > Visítanos en http://noticias.espanol.yahoo.com > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > To maintain your account please go here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > From kannan_s at vsnl.com Thu Jan 9 20:05:30 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 00:35:30 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7, ZX-9 voltage selector. Message-ID: <20030109190530.2CC42114904@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From nicy at ya.com Thu Jan 9 20:28:39 2003 From: nicy at ya.com (JGascon) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 20:28:39 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7, ZX-9 voltage selector. References: <20030109190530.2CC42114904@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <003101c2b815$59a673a0$8f2b3b50@PcComunero> Thanks Kannan, anyway the ZX-9 owners manual shows that switch. That´s why I thought all ZX-9 decks had it. Javier. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 8:05 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7, ZX-9 voltage selector. > No , only Asian Models of all Nakamichi have this change over switch. I was infact believed that all Dragons had this change over switch at the back. But I see large numbers of US dragons with only 110 V input only. Anyway the service manual clearly shows this inffo. > There can be exceptions to very old Naks like 1000 model? > Kannan > > nicy at ya.com wrote > Hi again, > What I want to know is if every ZX-7 and ZX-9 deck has de voltage selector > at the back (or changing a jumper...) > Javier. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > From alex at autoconsortium.com Thu Jan 9 22:05:05 2003 From: alex at autoconsortium.com (Alex Cagann) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 16:05:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] sticky Dragon In-Reply-To: <015501c2b6c1$fba47e40$173442cf@steve> Message-ID: I wanted to thank everyone who gave me a suggestions on fixing the Dragon. I haven't had a chance to get into her yet, but I will soon, and I'll let you know how it went. Thanks again for your ongoing help. Stephen, nice to hear from you, I haven't seen you around in a bit. By the way, my mother is looking for an old turntable to play her extensive record collection she inhereted from her father. I see you have a couple for sale. I will try and talk her into the Dual and give you a call soon! Alex Cagann http://www.autoconsortium.com From jmtooley at ce.net Fri Jan 10 02:56:53 2003 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 20:56:53 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7, ZX-9 voltage selector. References: <20030109190530.2CC42114904@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <032d01c2b84b$8c8c7b30$54106343@johnnyrotten> My Nak. 700 ZXL machine shipped from UK to Stephen here in US is 220 volt only. John T. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 2:05 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7, ZX-9 voltage selector. > No , only Asian Models of all Nakamichi have this change over switch. I was infact believed that all Dragons had this change over switch at the back. But I see large numbers of US dragons with only 110 V input only. Anyway the service manual clearly shows this inffo. > There can be exceptions to very old Naks like 1000 model? > Kannan > > nicy at ya.com wrote > Hi again, > What I want to know is if every ZX-7 and ZX-9 deck has de voltage selector > at the back (or changing a jumper...) > Javier. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Fri Jan 10 03:27:24 2003 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 03:27:24 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak RX-202 In-Reply-To: <001c01c2b7fa$a406a0c0$8f2b3b50@PcComunero> References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030110032424.00ab8ec0@box.tin.it> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 75541.100 at compuserve.com Fri Jan 10 09:29:12 2003 From: 75541.100 at compuserve.com (compudude) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 03:29:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 700ZXE recording problem -- Orange caps indeed! Message-ID: <200301100329_MC3-1-2368-13DD@compuserve.com> Hello, Last year in August I have described a problem I was having with my 700zxe: The auto-calibration circuit was not working on Metal cassettes. At that time Stephen Sank suggested me to replace the orange caps at the bias oscillator circuit. Finally this week I had time to do this repair, which fixed the problem! It is hard to believe that those shiny, clean looking caps are gone bad. By the way, later last year the deck started to fail auto calibrating CrO2 cassettes and finally the Normal type. That also proves the speculation about gradual degradation of the orange caps. In the mean time I also obtained an old oscilloscope and I could observe the signal going into the erase head. Before changing the caps it was a periodical pulse around 40kHz, after the fix it is a clean 105kHz sinewave. Now the next problem in line: The external Dolby-C module NR100 does not sound right, especially when playing DolbyC tapes recorded on other decks. Record/playback with Dolby-C on 700zxe itself is also not very good, there is an obvious loss of the high frequency content. NR100 does not have any adjustments inside, but lot of orange-caps! The question is, is it the orange-cap disease as well or NR100 supposed to sound bad? Thanks again to all experts and a happy new year! _Fuad From nicy at ya.com Fri Jan 10 09:38:01 2003 From: nicy at ya.com (JGascon) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 09:38:01 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7, ZX-9 voltage selector. References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030110032424.00ab8ec0@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <001901c2b883$9ca3c400$8f2b3b50@PcComunero> Thanks John and Ezio. I think we both have the same problem in Spain and Italy. With all those american purchased Naks you must have paid a fortune in italian customs. In Spain I must pay 16% IVA + custom fees, so I think it´s better to look for in german market. Javier ----- Original Message ----- From: Ezio To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 3:27 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak RX-202 I have purchased many Naks (6) 682, Dragon, 700LXE etc. in the USA and 5 out of 6 where having the switch .... and I switched .... he he he ;o) ... This is my experience. Anyhow .... a power supply from US to EU standard (220/230 Volt 50Hz ) is available at any electronic shop for about 20$ ... if needed. Ezio At 05:17 PM 1/9/03 +0100, you wrote: Hi all, A question about ZX. I know there is no visable switch on the back of the machine however I´ve been told that the specification page under the heading power source reads----"100,120, 120/220-240, 220 or 240V AC; 50/60Hz (According to country of sale). Does it means it can easily be switched to 220vols? Someone has purchased a 110volts ZX-7 and changed it to 220volts? And ZX-9? Javier. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Targowski" To: Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 4:28 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak RX-202 > Sandra - > > The right match between playback head azymuth and Dolby C circuits is > critical. You can address the azymuth, there isn't much you can do re: Dolby > C compatibility. > > In your particular situation, when you do not have access to the original > TEAC unit used for recording, the best deck for the purpose would be one > with playback azymuth control - Dragon in particular. > > NAK 202 is a much better unit than the Technics RS-TR333, but there exists a > possibility that Technics can play the TEAC made tapes better. > > My recommendation would be to listen to your tapes on both decks and see > which one plays them better. > > Stan > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > SANDRA MUÑOZ > Sent: Wed, January 08, 2003 11:23 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Nak RX-202 > > > Hi, > > I want to transfer some tapes to digital (24bits, > 96k). I have access to a Nak RX-202 and a > Technics RS-TR 333. My question is how are these > 2 decks compared with the other higher-end naks > like the Dragon ??? > > The tapes are TDK MA-XG, where recorded with a > mid 90's Teac deck with Dolby C. > > > > Thanks in advance!!!! > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Información de Estados Unidos y América Latina, en Yahoo! Noticias. > Visítanos en http://noticias.espanol.yahoo.com > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site http://space.virgilio.it/ezluce/index.html ===-----------------------------------------------------------------=== Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ===-----------------------------------------------------------------=== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri Jan 10 10:27:41 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (wheijke at xs4all.nl) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 10:27:41 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] Orange caps manual? Message-ID: <7717.62.72.223.42.1042190861.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Isn't it an idea that the 'Orange caps' experts on the list write some sort of manual for the 'dummies' under us how to spot an orange cap and how to replace it and with what preferred type of new component? And maybe also a description per model? It could be a growing document that I could serve on the Naks.com server and could be of great help to all of us experts on electronics or not! Any thoughts? Wouter From nicy at ya.com Fri Jan 10 10:56:12 2003 From: nicy at ya.com (JGascon) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 10:56:12 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Orange caps manual? References: <7717.62.72.223.42.1042190861.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <003301c2b88e$89195200$8f2b3b50@PcComunero> A great idea Wouter!!. If the experts do that I would have no doubt about purchansing a "new" ZX-9 and change the caps. Also I think it would help if all of us take pics of the inside of our decks to ilustrate their descriptions. Would you be able to place it in your server? Javier. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 10:27 AM Subject: [naktalk] Orange caps manual? > Isn't it an idea that the 'Orange caps' experts on the list write some > sort of manual for the 'dummies' under us how to spot an orange cap and > how to replace it and with what preferred type of new component? > And maybe also a description per model? > It could be a growing document that I could serve on the Naks.com server > and could be of great help to all of us experts on electronics or not! > > Any thoughts? > > Wouter > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri Jan 10 11:47:01 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (wheijke at xs4all.nl) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 11:47:01 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] Orange caps manual? In-Reply-To: <003301c2b88e$89195200$8f2b3b50@PcComunero> References: <7717.62.72.223.42.1042190861.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <003301c2b88e$89195200$8f2b3b50@PcComunero> Message-ID: <9796.62.72.223.42.1042195621.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Thanks! Being not a great technician, but knowing how to solder, i can replace those caps also if i know where they are and with what part to replace them! Pics would be useful also. I could put everything on a special part of the website and i would say as much information as possible to illustrate how to successfully complete the task. This could also apply to other maintanance that has to be done to our beloved Naks now and then... Head cleaning for instance, a trival thing for most of us but for a newbe a difficult thing to do ;-) It would be great for me also to finally be able to record a tape on my ZX9... since one (or more) of it's caps clearly has died... Wouter > A great idea Wouter!!. If the experts do that I would have no doubt about > purchansing a "new" ZX-9 and change the caps. Also I think it would help > if > all of us take pics of the inside of our decks to ilustrate their > descriptions. Would you be able to place it in your server? > Javier. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 10:27 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Orange caps manual? > > >> Isn't it an idea that the 'Orange caps' experts on the list write some >> sort of manual for the 'dummies' under us how to spot an orange cap and >> how to replace it and with what preferred type of new component? >> And maybe also a description per model? >> It could be a growing document that I could serve on the Naks.com server >> and could be of great help to all of us experts on electronics or not! >> >> Any thoughts? >> >> Wouter >> > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= >> > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > From j.soulantikas at chello.nl Fri Jan 10 10:24:32 2003 From: j.soulantikas at chello.nl (Jannis) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 10:24:32 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RX505 service manual References: <001201c2b74a$b639cf20$0200a7c0@AsusT533> Message-ID: <002601c2b88a$15c5aff0$13945dd5@computer1> Happy new year to you all Can someone please repeat the new pasword for the manuals section? Jannis ----- Original Message ----- From: norman van wijnen To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 8:18 PM Subject: [naktalk] RX505 service manual Hi Naktalkers, i've uploaded a high quality pdf version of the complete RX505 service manual. have fun with it Norman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Jan 10 18:31:11 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 23:01:11 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Orange caps manual? Message-ID: <20030110173111.619DA114917@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Jan 10 19:08:47 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 18:08:47 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Orange caps manual? In-Reply-To: <7717.62.72.223.42.1042190861.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <000601c2b8d3$520ba3e0$19a9193e@oemcomputer> Yes please! A Dummy > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > wheijke at xs4all.nl > Sent: 10 January 2003 09:28 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Orange caps manual? > > > Isn't it an idea that the 'Orange caps' experts on the list write some > sort of manual for the 'dummies' under us how to spot an orange cap and > how to replace it and with what preferred type of new component? > And maybe also a description per model? > It could be a growing document that I could serve on the Naks.com server > and could be of great help to all of us experts on electronics or not! > > Any thoughts? > > Wouter > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri Jan 10 20:13:54 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 20:13:54 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] REQ: Support site update References: <3E08D34D.60FA809C@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <3E1F1B71.775363E0@xs4all.nl> Here it is once again, Wouter Wouter Heijke wrote: > I've just changed the login for the support site: > > http://support.naks.com/support > > username: naktalk > password: dragon > > Enjoy! > > Wouter > From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri Jan 10 20:54:17 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 20:54:17 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Orange caps manual? References: <20030110173111.619DA114917@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <3E1F24E9.E512DFCA@xs4all.nl> Hi Kannan, Great news! It would be great if you can describe what has to be done step-by-step, preferrably documented by pictures. One time i upgraded my cd player like this with an lcaudio clock (great modification btw!) But i can imagine that we could add steps or pictures to the document once more people are doing the upgrades... I also have a digital camera so i could take pictures while changing the caps in my deck(s) also! Wouter kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > Hi Wouter > Thanks for showing your head in Naktalk these days - after a long period of silence. > I have already took out those Orange caps and kept them for my Digital photo on this week end. Let me also take photos of alternate caps for this purpose ( thank my brother who owns this 5Mpixel camera!) > Let me make a write up of what to do for Bias Oscillator circuit and send it to you. You may have to get it converted to a suitable file format before placing them on the server. > If necessary somebody like Stephen can check it out/ edit before placing them on the server. Hope this helps > Kannan > wheijke at xs4all.nl > wrote > Thanks! > Being not a great technician, but knowing how to solder, i can replace > those caps also if i know where they are and with what part to replace > them! > Pics would be useful also. > I could put everything on a special part of the website and i would say as > much information as possible to illustrate how to successfully complete > the task. > This could also apply to other maintanance that has to be done to our > beloved Naks now and then... > Head cleaning for instance, a trival thing for most of us but for a newbe > a difficult thing to do ;-) > > It would be great for me also to finally be able to record a tape on my > ZX9... since one (or more) of it's caps clearly has died... > > Wouter > > > A great idea Wouter!!. If the experts do that I would have no doubt about > > purchansing a "new" ZX-9 and change the caps. Also I think it would help > > if > > all of us take pics of the inside of our decks to ilustrate their > > descriptions. Would you be able to place it in your server? > > Javier. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 10:27 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] Orange caps manual? > > > > > >> Isn't it an idea that the 'Orange caps' experts on the list write some > >> sort of manual for the 'dummies' under us how to spot an orange cap and > >> how to replace it and with what preferred type of new component? > >> And maybe also a description per model? > >> It could be a growing document that I could serve on the Naks.com server > >> and could be of great help to all of us experts on electronics or not! > >> > >> Any thoughts? > >> > >> Wouter > >> > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > >> > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Jan 10 21:35:03 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 02:05:03 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Orange caps manual? Message-ID: <20030110203503.E188D11491B@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From fredmoss at totalise.co.uk Sat Jan 11 01:48:28 2003 From: fredmoss at totalise.co.uk (FRED MOSS) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 00:48:28 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Orange caps manual? Message-ID: <3E3C0E2B@mail.totalise.co.uk> >Or perhaps the store to get the replacements from! I had orange cap disease on an nr200 and could not find the correct value anywhere in the usual places in the U.K. Fred ===== Original Message From "Graham Nelson" ===== >Yes please! > >A Dummy > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of >> wheijke at xs4all.nl >> Sent: 10 January 2003 09:28 >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: [naktalk] Orange caps manual? >> >> >> Isn't it an idea that the 'Orange caps' experts on the list write some >> sort of manual for the 'dummies' under us how to spot an orange cap and >> how to replace it and with what preferred type of new component? >> And maybe also a description per model? >> It could be a growing document that I could serve on the Naks.com server >> and could be of great help to all of us experts on electronics or not! >> >> Any thoughts? >> >> Wouter >> >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release Date: 30/12/02 > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== Totalise - the Users ISP ---------------------- To become a member and a shareholder visit http://www.totalise.net From blueswapper at angelfire.com Sat Jan 11 02:56:52 2003 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 17:56:52 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Happy New Year!!! (Nak brochures posted) Message-ID: Well, I've finally found some extra time to process a few more pages of Nakamichi cassette deck brochures. Sent a selection to Wouter during late December (ZX-9, RX-202, TD-500/700), which are now available on the FTP website. Also, for those who enjoy viewing obscurities, I finished the posting of the Nak 550 (Versatile Cassette System) brochure on my Nak CyberSpot website: http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nak550a.html In the coming weeks, I intend to post the Nak DR 1/2/3 and Dragon cassette deck brochures. Other selections as time and disc space permit. Please, if anyone has a color brochure of the T-100 Audio Analyzer, kindly contact me for discussion. Happy New Year!!! K.J. Bleus Madison, Wisc USA --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html ____________________________________________________________ Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus From n.van.wijnen at home.nl Sat Jan 11 17:37:03 2003 From: n.van.wijnen at home.nl (norman van wijnen) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 17:37:03 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Orange caps manual? References: <7717.62.72.223.42.1042190861.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <001b01c2b98f$abb76520$0400a7c0@AsusT533> very good idea, Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 10:27 Subject: [naktalk] Orange caps manual? > Isn't it an idea that the 'Orange caps' experts on the list write some > sort of manual for the 'dummies' under us how to spot an orange cap and > how to replace it and with what preferred type of new component? > And maybe also a description per model? > It could be a growing document that I could serve on the Naks.com server > and could be of great help to all of us experts on electronics or not! > > Any thoughts? > > Wouter > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From 75541.100 at compuserve.com Sat Jan 11 22:34:56 2003 From: 75541.100 at compuserve.com (Compudude) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 16:34:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Orange cap pics Message-ID: <200301111635_MC3-1-2430-D23@compuserve.com> Hi Wouter, I can e-mail you couple pictures of the 700zxe board I just repaired, before I close the cover. _Fuad Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com > Thanks! Being not a great technician, but knowing how to solder, i can replace those caps also if i know where they are and with what part to replace them! Pics would be useful also. I could put everything on a special part of the website and i would say as much information as possible to illustrate how to successfully complete the task. This could also apply to other maintanance that has to be done to our beloved Naks now and then... Head cleaning for instance, a trival thing for most of us but for a newbe a difficult thing to do ;-) It would be great for me also to finally be able to record a tape on my ZX9... since one (or more) of it's caps clearly has died... Wouter < From John at jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk Sat Jan 11 23:01:45 2003 From: John at jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 22:01:45 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 MkII Message-ID: <3E209449.3090003@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Hello everyone my Nak 700 Mk II broke its reel hub belt recently. Can any of you tell me where I can get a replacement? I would also like to strip it down, clean it , and realign it. Could anyone help me to get a copy of the service manual? I am willing to pay a reasonable amount for either of these items. (PS: I have already made the same request of B&W Worthing.) John Walker Portland UK From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sun Jan 12 11:49:15 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 11:49:15 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Orange cap pics References: <200301111635_MC3-1-2430-D23@compuserve.com> Message-ID: <3E21482B.374CEA68@xs4all.nl> Hi Fuad, Those pictures are welcome! Just mail them to me at wheijke at xs4all.nl Thanks, Wouter Compudude wrote: > Hi Wouter, > I can e-mail you couple pictures of the 700zxe board I just repaired, > before I close the cover. > _Fuad > > Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com > > > > Thanks! > Being not a great technician, but knowing how to solder, i can replace > those caps also if i know where they are and with what part to replace > them! > Pics would be useful also. > I could put everything on a special part of the website and i would say as > much information as possible to illustrate how to successfully complete > the task. > This could also apply to other maintanance that has to be done to our > beloved Naks now and then... > Head cleaning for instance, a trival thing for most of us but for a newbe > a difficult thing to do ;-) > > It would be great for me also to finally be able to record a tape on my > ZX9... since one (or more) of it's caps clearly has died... > > Wouter > < > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From m.raven at chello.nl Mon Jan 13 02:04:51 2003 From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 02:04:51 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 MkII References: <3E209449.3090003@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <00b101c2ba9f$c68a3d30$9e3cbbd4@raveneql1a1eu0> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Walker" To: Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 11:01 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 MkII > Hello everyone > my Nak 700 Mk II broke its reel hub belt recently. Can any of you tell > me where I can get a replacement? I would also like to strip it down, > clean it , and realign it. Could anyone help me to get a copy of the > service manual? I am willing to pay a reasonable amount for either of > these items. Simply take the belt to a repairshop or other store. They measure the right lenght on a round mall and determine witch replacement will fit best. But you can try original Nak representatives as well. Only the cost will be higher , according to other sources Nak belts are not made of a hi-quality made rubber. > (PS: I have already made the same request of B&W Worthing.) Nice company, I own six items, DM2-II, 802 and DM7) (I have to replace a diafragm for a tweeter and repair a suspension kevlar woofer one of these days!) http://www.audioconsultants.com/index.html These guys has older B&W types in stock at high prices...... Maurits From aaanandam at yahoo.com Tue Jan 14 02:05:39 2003 From: aaanandam at yahoo.com (Anand.R.Sharma) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 17:05:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Most "Reliable" Nak ? Message-ID: <20030114010539.16505.qmail@web20415.mail.yahoo.com> Friends - A novice question ! Which is the most "reliable" Nak Tape Deck for long-lasting, relatively maintenance-free performance ? Should I get a used Dragon, ZX9 or a CR7A ? Thanks in advance for your time. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aaanandam at yahoo.com Tue Jan 14 02:05:58 2003 From: aaanandam at yahoo.com (Anand.R.Sharma) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 17:05:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Most "Reliable" Nak ? Message-ID: <20030114010558.95393.qmail@web20421.mail.yahoo.com> Friends - A novice question ! Which is the most "reliable" Nak Tape Deck for long-lasting, relatively maintenance-free performance ? Should I get a used Dragon, ZX9 or a CR7A ? Thanks in advance for your time. Anand --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stan.targowski at attbi.com Tue Jan 14 02:49:58 2003 From: stan.targowski at attbi.com (Stan Targowski) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 19:49:58 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Most "Reliable" Nak ? In-Reply-To: <20030114010558.95393.qmail@web20421.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: From cvshanson at sprintmail.com Tue Jan 14 04:13:23 2003 From: cvshanson at sprintmail.com (Vernon T. Hanson) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 21:13:23 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Most "Reliable" Nak ? In-Reply-To: <20030114010539.16505.qmail@web20415.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I have an old 600 that just keeps working without any problems for over 10 years now. I would call that reliable! Of course, My 500 is pretty reliable also but I have only had less than 7 years experience with it. Vern Hanson (aka: VideoVern) Minneapolis, MN From enoyes at snet.net Tue Jan 14 04:20:40 2003 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 22:20:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Most "Reliable" Nak ? References: Message-ID: <3E238206.377ECE5B@snet.net> I was going to say that in absolute terms a 582 or LX-5 would be among the most reliable Naks ever made. In a nutshell, there's nothing really exotic and complex in these models to go wrong. From the decks listed I would probably say the CR7A. It's a newer deck than the others and has generally shown a very low failure rate. Ed Stan Targowski wrote: > From the 3 listed (Dragon, CR7A, ZX9), I would think that ZX9 would > be the most "reliable" as it has the least electronic > complexities. Taking it to the extreme, a 480 or BX1 could be even > more "reliable".Stan > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of Anand.R.Sharma > Sent: Mon, January 13, 2003 7:06 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Most "Reliable" Nak ? > > Friends - A novice question ! Which is the most "reliable" > Nak Tape Deck for long-lasting, relatively maintenance-free > performance ? Should I get a used Dragon, ZX9 or a CR7A ? > Thanks in advance for your time. Anand > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cvshanson at sprintmail.com Tue Jan 14 15:24:18 2003 From: cvshanson at sprintmail.com (Vernon T. Hanson) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 08:24:18 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Most "Reliable" Nak ? In-Reply-To: <3E238206.377ECE5B@snet.net> Message-ID: I could second Stan's comment about the BX1. I have three of them. The one in my home system doesn't get much use but I also have one in a sound reinforcement system that is on the road quite a bit. After about five years use I haven't had any hiccups. The third one is a spare that I have not needed so far. Vern Hanson (aka: videovern) Minneapolis, MN From sandorpistike at hotmail.com Tue Jan 14 16:01:25 2003 From: sandorpistike at hotmail.com (Sndor Istvn) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 16:01:25 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth-tuning Message-ID: Hello all! I have a probably novice question. I have a ZX7. On this machine you can tune the azimuth while recording (more accurately: while tape-calibration). Does it tune only the record head, or both record and playback heads? If it tunes only the record head, does it make "misalignment" between the record and the playback head? If it tunes both heads, what can I do to get the best quality of sound, if I have several type of tapes with several azimuth-calibration? Shall I "retune" the playback (or both) heads before playing any different tapes? Otherwise I am realyy satisfied this deck, I am just waiting to my wife to bring me the just-bought RX505E. I am so excited to listen it! Best regards, and sorry for my "difficult" English. Istv�n S�ndor (You can refer me as Steve, if you like...) _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM: Try the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Jan 14 16:12:19 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 10:12:19 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Most "Reliable" Nak ? References: <20030114010539.16505.qmail@web20415.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3E2428D3.8E2FF4C3@rcn.com> From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Tue Jan 14 03:14:31 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 13:14:31 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Most "Reliable" Nak ? Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201E47@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> I'd too go for the ZX9, just replace those darn orange caps and you'll be fine. Talking about taking it to the extreme, how's about a bx300 with the gear upgrade. I've had mine for over 11 years and has not skipped a beat. Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Stan Targowski [mailto:stan.targowski at attbi.com] Sent: Tuesday, 14 January 2003 12:50 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Most "Reliable" Nak ? From m.raven at chello.nl Tue Jan 14 16:32:06 2003 From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 16:32:06 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Most "Reliable" Nak ? References: <20030114010558.95393.qmail@web20421.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001201c2bbe2$1854aa40$9e3cbbd4@raveneql1a1eu0> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anand.R.Sharma" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 2:05 AM Subject: [naktalk] Most "Reliable" Nak ? > Friends - A novice question ! Which is the most "reliable" Nak Tape Deck for long-lasting, relatively maintenance-free performance ? Should I get a used Dragon, ZX9 or a CR7A ? Thanks in advance for your time. Anand Maybe a belt driven deck has the shortest lifespan. I know a ReVox has no rubber belts at all. I'm not for sure what the Dragon uses. Maybe 2 tapetransportmotors and a dual capstan without belt? Maurits From m.raven at chello.nl Tue Jan 14 16:46:17 2003 From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 16:46:17 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Most "Reliable" Nak ? References: <20030114010539.16505.qmail@web20415.mail.yahoo.com> <3E2428D3.8E2FF4C3@rcn.com> Message-ID: <000d01c2bbe4$13fc3ab0$9e3cbbd4@raveneql1a1eu0> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 4:12 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Most "Reliable" Nak ? > > From past experience, the 582 was very reliable -- in over > 15 years, it required a capstan motor, one capacitor > replacement and maybe a couple of tune-ups. I know a 580 and 582 for sale here in a local 2ndhand store. The give 90 days guarantee. Price is Euro 250 +/- $ 250 incl. tax. Maurits From kannan_s at vsnl.com Tue Jan 14 17:39:47 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 22:09:47 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth-tuning Message-ID: <20030114163947.54549114945@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From sandorpistike at hotmail.com Tue Jan 14 18:09:03 2003 From: sandorpistike at hotmail.com (Sndor Istvn) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 18:09:03 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth-tuning Message-ID: Hello Kannan, thank you very much for your comprehensive answer. As far as I understood there is no way to prepare any deck to all possible cases, because either the playback-head, either the record-head is fixed. As far as I know there are several type of cassettes, and often the tape itself has some azimuth-fault (is it stupid?). It means that you cannot play perfectly any azimuth-faulty tape even on a well-aligned but fixed playback-head, or you cannot make any perfect record on a well-aligned, but fixed record-head, if the tape itself has an azimuth-error. (Sorry for the stupid questions, but nowadays I cannot find any valuable literature about this sort of sound-reproduction.) If there are really tapes which have azimuth-error, can any of yours recommend a good tape? Do you always use similar (of the same type) tapes, or do you use different ones, depending on what you can buy? Of course, all these questions are just thinking about methods. I tried many sort of tapes with my ZX7, and I hardly found any I could not make a good record on to. (Is it possible to understand? Please correct my English if you find any big errors... I must learn.) This is the most impressive of these machines: you can hardly hear the difference between different sort of tapes if the calibration process is completed well. This is the reason for having a Nak instead of having any newer, but poorer (sometimes even more expensive) commerce-unit. Thank you for your answer! Best regards, Istv�n >From: kannan_s at vsnl.com >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Azimuth-tuning >Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 22:09:47 +0530 (IST) > >Hi Istv�n >Generally the position ( including Azimuth/ Zenith) of the two part record >and replay heads should be fixed as per Cassette Standard. A very small >Azimuth adjustment of one of the head is possible in Nak as the other can >be refernced to adjust the mobile head to correct position during record >calibration process. > >Say record head Azimuth alone is adjusted by the motor in 68X series Decks >to get the Phase cherence between the channels. And this aligns the record >head in refernce to a fixed play head. >Incase of Dragon; the playback Head azimuth is adjsuted ( while record head >position is fixed - pre-aligned at Factory as per service manual) and same >is the case with CR7 during record calibration process. > >I feel the later playback Azimuth adjustment facility has an additional >benefit of adjustment for cassettes recorded on another deck to play >without loss of High frequency in these later decks. > >Here we are talking of very small adjsutment of Azimuth alone while the >Zenith of these heads require correct positioning. So you need calibrating >gauges and tapes ( of great cost) to position the heads on the correct >location! > >The adjustment( record calibration)of Azimuth is very small and that >actually corrects any change in position of the heads if it had moved as >Nak head position can move on their base with only a plastic screw holding >them on to the head block! > Generally once calibrated the position does not cahnge over time unless >the deck is transported or head is physically moved. >Kannan > >sandorpistike at hotmail.com wrote >Hello all! > >I have a probably novice question. >I have a ZX7. On this machine you can tune the azimuth while recording >(more >accurately: while tape-calibration). Does it tune only the record head, or >both record and playback heads? > >If it tunes only the record head, does it make "misalignment" between the >record and the playback head? > >If it tunes both heads, what can I do to get the best quality of sound, if >I >have several type of tapes with several azimuth-calibration? Shall I >"retune" the playback (or both) heads before playing any different tapes? > >Otherwise I am realyy satisfied this deck, I am just waiting to my wife to >bring me the just-bought RX505E. I am so excited to listen it! > >Best regards, >and sorry for my "difficult" English. >Istv�n S�ndor >(You can refer me as Steve, if you like...) > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Help STOP SPAM: Try the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Jan 14 19:51:49 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 01:51:49 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Most "Reliable" Nak ? References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201E47@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <004501c2bbfe$0b799580$63299bca@smarzuki> Hi all, I second the ZX group on reliability / maintenance case. Dragon is my all around ultimate choice but too many things inside such accurate deck that can go wrong. And judging from its service manual, "CR7 auto calibration's calibration" looks very cumbersome and requires extreme tools. ZX is all manual and should be less problematic in the long run ... also sounds good =). Maurits, Dragon uses 2 dd motors but there's still cam motor belt, rew / ff idler rubber and such. BTW my CR4 also once experienced stuck capstan like Ron's CR7 and other CR3 blew up its motor drive (?) IC to pieces. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 9:14 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Most "Reliable" Nak ? I'd too go for the ZX9, just replace those darn orange caps and you'll be fine. Talking about taking it to the extreme, how's about a bx300 with the gear upgrade. I've had mine for over 11 years and has not skipped a beat. Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Stan Targowski [mailto:stan.targowski at attbi.com] Sent: Tuesday, 14 January 2003 12:50 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Most "Reliable" Nak ? From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Jan 14 19:53:07 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 01:53:07 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth-tuning References: Message-ID: <004601c2bbfe$2de27ba0$63299bca@smarzuki> Hello Steve :-) I believe there's no Nak deck that adjusts both rec & pb heads. ZX7 and most other auto Naks adjust the record head to match 'fixed' pb head azimuth. Only Dragon and CR7 adjust the pb head to match a fixed rec head azimuth - with the additional benefit of flexibility to play back tapes from other stray azimuth decks. Therefore you'd need to get the pb head setting precisely - and leave it untouched !! I learned the hard way that once we fiddle with those tempting large white plastic screws sticking beneath the cassette door ... we're doomed for a long long time, until we have the necessary test tapes. The ZX tape calibration process itself was meant to iron out azimuth 'problems' between different blank cassette shells. If you have pre-recorded tape that sounds dull on perfectly aligned ZX, leave the deck alone and listen to other cassette ... Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Sándor István To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 10:01 PM Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth-tuning Hello all! I have a probably novice question. I have a ZX7. On this machine you can tune the azimuth while recording (more accurately: while tape-calibration). Does it tune only the record head, or both record and playback heads? If it tunes only the record head, does it make "misalignment" between the record and the playback head? If it tunes both heads, what can I do to get the best quality of sound, if I have several type of tapes with several azimuth-calibration? Shall I "retune" the playback (or both) heads before playing any different tapes? Otherwise I am realyy satisfied this deck, I am just waiting to my wife to bring me the just-bought RX505E. I am so excited to listen it! Best regards, and sorry for my "difficult" English. István Sándor (You can refer me as Steve, if you like...) From kannan_s at vsnl.com Tue Jan 14 20:27:29 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 00:57:29 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth-tuning Message-ID: <20030114192729.0F52D114918@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jan 14 20:44:20 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 19:44:20 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth-tuning In-Reply-To: <004601c2bbfe$2de27ba0$63299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <001201c2bc05$54cee9e0$94df193e@oemcomputer> Oh, yes there is! Jeff Galin had several ZX9s from Nakamichi's recording studio that had both adjustable azi' record and playback. Not sure if that was his own modification of if he bought them like that. Jeff was selling them for around $1200, I recall. He may still have one or two left ... Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Salim Marzuki > Sent: 14 January 2003 18:53 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Azimuth-tuning > > > > Hello Steve :-) > > I believe there's no Nak deck that adjusts both rec & pb heads. ZX7 and > most other auto Naks adjust the record head to match 'fixed' pb head > azimuth. Only Dragon and CR7 adjust the pb head to match a fixed rec head > azimuth - with the additional benefit of flexibility to play back > tapes from > other stray azimuth decks. > > Therefore you'd need to get the pb head setting precisely - and leave it > untouched !! I learned the hard way that once we fiddle with > those tempting > large white plastic screws sticking beneath the cassette door ... we're > doomed for a long long time, until we have the necessary test tapes. > > The ZX tape calibration process itself was meant to iron out azimuth > 'problems' between different blank cassette shells. If you have > pre-recorded tape that sounds dull on perfectly aligned ZX, leave the deck > alone and listen to other cassette ... > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/03 From kannan_s at vsnl.com Tue Jan 14 20:51:09 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 01:21:09 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Most "Reliable" Nak ? Message-ID: <20030114195109.41B12114918@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Tue Jan 14 21:00:50 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 01:30:50 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth-tuning Message-ID: <20030114200050.7F641114918@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jan 14 23:49:29 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 22:49:29 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth-tuning In-Reply-To: <20030114200050.7F641114918@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <001901c2bc1f$326ce2c0$94df193e@oemcomputer> Spot on, Kannan. Jeff G just told me the modification is his own, not Nakamichi's, and that it allows playback azimuth adjustment INSTEAD of record azi' adjust. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > kannan_s at vsnl.com > Sent: 14 January 2003 20:01 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Azimuth-tuning > > > > Geff might have done the manual adjustment of Azimuth to play > head rather than record head on ZX9 - more like Dragon. > On such a modified machine you can manually adjust the Play > Azimuth like you do on a CR7. Not a very difficult one since the > wedge sitting on the back of Record head for adjustment can be > switched to the underside of play head. Turning the knob will > now adjsut the play head instead of the record head. > You cannot make both heads Azimuth adjustable. > Kannan > graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk wrote > Oh, yes there is! Jeff Galin had several ZX9s from Nakamichi's recording > studio that had both adjustable azi' record and playback. Not > sure if that > was his own modification of if he bought them like that. Jeff was selling > them for around $1200, I recall. He may still have one or two left ... > > Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Salim Marzuki > > Sent: 14 January 2003 18:53 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Azimuth-tuning > > > > > > > > Hello Steve :-) > > > > I believe there's no Nak deck that adjusts both rec & pb heads. ZX7 and > > most other auto Naks adjust the record head to match 'fixed' pb head > > azimuth. Only Dragon and CR7 adjust the pb head to match a > fixed rec head > > azimuth - with the additional benefit of flexibility to play back > > tapes from > > other stray azimuth decks. > > > > Therefore you'd need to get the pb head setting precisely - and leave it > > untouched !! I learned the hard way that once we fiddle with > > those tempting > > large white plastic screws sticking beneath the cassette door ... we're > > doomed for a long long time, until we have the necessary test tapes. > > > > The ZX tape calibration process itself was meant to iron out azimuth > > 'problems' between different blank cassette shells. If you have > > pre-recorded tape that sounds dull on perfectly aligned ZX, > leave the deck > > alone and listen to other cassette ... > > > > Best regards, > > Salim SM > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/03 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/03 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/03 From John at jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk Wed Jan 15 09:26:11 2003 From: John at jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 08:26:11 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nakamichi LX-3 problem solved! References: <20030108205254.CB50F114950@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <3E251B23.3040901@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Pradeep I have a Nak 550. I don't know whether it needs maintenance, but it does not sound as good as my Nak 700 II, which definitely does need maintenance! Your nephew could consider the Sony WMD6 Pro-Walkman, which was/is very popular in the UK, and is a lot smaller than the Nak550. (Lacks the three channel mixer, though.) Alternately, how about a digital solution using a laptop and an outboard sound card? That would be about the same size and weight as the 550, but give substantially better quality. John Walker From aaanandam at yahoo.com Wed Jan 15 12:41:26 2003 From: aaanandam at yahoo.com (Anand.R.Sharma) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 03:41:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak Service in India Message-ID: <20030115114126.90575.qmail@web20415.mail.yahoo.com> Dear Kannan & Other fellow members, Thanks for all your inputs on the most "reliable" Nak. The consensus seems to be that it is better to opt for a model with limited "Auto" functions. Lesser the complications in the Technology, lower the chances of "failure". At least that is what my understanding is. I would therefore be inclined to think in terms of the ZX7/ZX9 Do you know of a good place in India where I can service my Nak ? I have read messages mentioning about how good Jeffrey Galin and Stephen Sank are but for obvious reasons it is very cumbersome to carry it all the way to the US just for a service ! It will also be helpful to all if someone can compile a list of the various "spares" one should stock for various models so that we can get another 15-20 years of service from our "dream" machines. I am taking the liberty of posting this ( though it is a region specific question ) as Im sure there are many members from India who would be interested in knowing the details. My (limited) knowledge of Nak Decks has really improved thanks to all the informative posts. Thanks, as always - ANAND --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From m.raven at chello.nl Wed Jan 15 13:44:42 2003 From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 13:44:42 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Most "Reliable" Nak ? References: <20030114195109.41B12114918@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <002401c2bc93$e2770320$9e3cbbd4@raveneql1a1eu0> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 8:51 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Most "Reliable" Nak ? > Maurits, Dragon uses 2 dd motors but there's still cam motor belt, rew / ff > idler rubber and such. BTW my CR4 also once experienced stuck capstan like > Ron's CR7 and other CR3 blew up its motor drive (?) IC to pieces. Tnx for the info. Is the dual capstan in the Dragon similar to the older types, with a thicker capstan to get tension on the tape, I suppose? I've made my own wired 20 feet remote control for the LX-5! Very usefull when record old tapes to CDwriter. I already had tapeout > auxin connection. But now I have no longer start the tape and run to the computer soundmixer. Maurits From m.raven at chello.nl Wed Jan 15 14:23:01 2003 From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 14:23:01 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Service in India References: <20030115114126.90575.qmail@web20415.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000e01c2bc99$3ab7afd0$9e3cbbd4@raveneql1a1eu0> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anand.R.Sharma" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 12:41 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nak Service in India > > Dear Kannan & Other fellow members, > > Thanks for all your inputs on the most "reliable" Nak. The consensus seems to be that it is better to opt for a model with limited "Auto" functions. Lesser the complications in the Technology, lower the chances of "failure". At least that is what my understanding is. I would therefore be inclined to think in terms of the ZX7/ZX9 > > Do you know of a good place in India where I can service my Nak ? I have read messages mentioning about how good Jeffrey Galin and Stephen Sank are but for obvious reasons it is very cumbersome to carry it all the way to the US just for a service ! I don't know. Maybe when you do a quick sarch in google nakamichi+india ? Or ask a well known audio hi-end shop for a good technican. According to the NAK manuals you need a lot of special made tools to align and calibrate the system. But when a 2nd hand deck has no defects and sounds good there's no problem changing a simple belt. But an well skilled amateur with *good* elektronic knowledge can do the easy things too. There comes Wouter in picture with his great manual ftp server! Hi Wouter, what is the easiest way to upload the full LX-5 manual? jpeg 150 dpi scan /tiff/gif and/or Acrobat format? With color? (The schematic diagrams has arrows and voltage measure points in blue). I've a Dutch Transtec LX-5 owner's manual too. Maurits From sandorpistike at hotmail.com Wed Jan 15 15:39:24 2003 From: sandorpistike at hotmail.com (Sndor Istvn) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 15:39:24 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth-tuning Message-ID: Hello Salim, I too, learned that lesson that time I bought the deck (about 4 years ago)... Since then I made it tuned at a specialized service-shop, and since then of course I do not made any alignment with those large white plastic screws. Yesterday my wife brought me an RX505, and I found that its head is possibly misaligned. The ZX7 sounds better regerdless of original (pre-recorded) casette or not. I will have to bring it to the above-mentioned shop, and make it tuned. It is still like a toy for a child, I was really amazed of how fast it flips the cassette. I nearly laughed, it was so funny for me. Best regards, Istv�n >From: Salim Marzuki >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Azimuth-tuning >Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 01:53:07 +0700 > > >Hello Steve :-) > >I believe there's no Nak deck that adjusts both rec & pb heads. ZX7 and >most other auto Naks adjust the record head to match 'fixed' pb head >azimuth. Only Dragon and CR7 adjust the pb head to match a fixed rec head >azimuth - with the additional benefit of flexibility to play back tapes >from >other stray azimuth decks. > >Therefore you'd need to get the pb head setting precisely - and leave it >untouched !! I learned the hard way that once we fiddle with those >tempting >large white plastic screws sticking beneath the cassette door ... we're >doomed for a long long time, until we have the necessary test tapes. > >The ZX tape calibration process itself was meant to iron out azimuth >'problems' between different blank cassette shells. If you have >pre-recorded tape that sounds dull on perfectly aligned ZX, leave the deck >alone and listen to other cassette ... > >Best regards, >Salim SM > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: S�ndor Istv�n >To: naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 10:01 PM >Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth-tuning > > >Hello all! > >I have a probably novice question. >I have a ZX7. On this machine you can tune the azimuth while recording >(more >accurately: while tape-calibration). Does it tune only the record head, or >both record and playback heads? > >If it tunes only the record head, does it make "misalignment" between the >record and the playback head? > >If it tunes both heads, what can I do to get the best quality of sound, if >I >have several type of tapes with several azimuth-calibration? Shall I >"retune" the playback (or both) heads before playing any different tapes? > >Otherwise I am realyy satisfied this deck, I am just waiting to my wife to >bring me the just-bought RX505E. I am so excited to listen it! > >Best regards, >and sorry for my "difficult" English. >Istv�n S�ndor >(You can refer me as Steve, if you like...) > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM: Try the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From sandorpistike at hotmail.com Wed Jan 15 15:48:23 2003 From: sandorpistike at hotmail.com (Sndor Istvn) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 15:48:23 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth-tuning Message-ID: Hello Kannan, unfortunately (?) I do not have neither a Dragon nor a CR7... I downloaded some brochures from the support-site, and it is really interesting ro read them through. I even found some functions of the ZX7 I did not heard about before. (Of course, these functions are not used often, but at least I know them already.) The just-acquied RX505 has a problem: the EQ120/70 button does not remains locked, it always get back to 120micros. Do you know if it is repairable, or shall I replace the switch? Best regards, and thank you all for the peace-minded conversation. Istv�n >From: kannan_s at vsnl.com >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Azimuth-tuning >Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 00:57:29 +0530 (IST) > >Hi Istv�n >many here in this forum would answer any simple basic question( I feel no >question is a stupid question as we learnt our lessons in school asking >questions as we do now as a professional)that you may have. So feel free to >ask as much as you desire and somebody here would definitely answer. >Coming to nak tape issue > >The tapes as such has no problems as they are long length flat rectangular >tapes meeting Standard cassette standard tolerences on width etc. However >Nak handling of the tape is special eliminating effects like excess >friction during tape movement over heads or tape skewing. > > Skewing is a result of Tape guide path on the two small ( imperfect) >rollars on bottom extremes of a cssette shell as well as shell casing. The >small guides on the tape path inside the shell also can cause skewing. > >The skewing can result in Play /record Azimuth problems (the tape can move >slightly off perpendicular to the Head gap). > >Dual capstan Nak eliminates thess rollar/ Shell related skewing as well as >pressure pad related scrape flutter.No wonder your ZX7 does not show >difference in record / replay performance on many tapes. > > I generally avoid using poor quality tapes ( India produced large number >of such tapes )on my Nak to reduce oxide flakedeposits on heads more than >these azimuth related issues. > >I would recommend you to download Nak brochures on Naks.com ftp server and >go through them. If you own Dragon or CR7 you would also find out that >Play azimuth adjsutment can make listening to tapes made on other machines >a real pleasure! >Kannan >sandorpistike at hotmail.com wrote >Hello Kannan, >thank you very much for your comprehensive answer. > >As far as I understood there is no way to prepare any deck to all possible >cases, because either the playback-head, either the record-head is fixed. > >As far as I know there are several type of cassettes, and often the tape >itself has some azimuth-fault (is it stupid?). >It means that you cannot play perfectly any azimuth-faulty tape even on a >well-aligned but fixed playback-head, or you cannot make any perfect record >on a well-aligned, but fixed record-head, if the tape itself has an >azimuth-error. > >(Sorry for the stupid questions, but nowadays I cannot find any valuable >literature about this sort of sound-reproduction.) > >If there are really tapes which have azimuth-error, can any of yours >recommend a good tape? Do you always use similar (of the same type) tapes, >or do you use different ones, depending on what you can buy? > >Of course, all these questions are just thinking about methods. I tried >many >sort of tapes with my ZX7, and I hardly found any I could not make a good >record on to. (Is it possible to understand? Please correct my English if >you find any big errors... I must learn.) >This is the most impressive of these machines: you can hardly hear the >difference between different sort of tapes if the calibration process is >completed well. This is the reason for having a Nak instead of having any >newer, but poorer (sometimes even more expensive) commerce-unit. > >Thank you for your answer! >Best regards, >Istv�n > > > > > > > >From: kannan_s at vsnl.com > >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Azimuth-tuning > >Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 22:09:47 +0530 (IST) > > > >Hi Istv�n > >Generally the position ( including Azimuth/ Zenith) of the two part >record > >and replay heads should be fixed as per Cassette Standard. A very small > >Azimuth adjustment of one of the head is possible in Nak as the other can > >be refernced to adjust the mobile head to correct position during record > >calibration process. > > > >Say record head Azimuth alone is adjusted by the motor in 68X series >Decks > >to get the Phase cherence between the channels. And this aligns the >record > >head in refernce to a fixed play head. > >Incase of Dragon; the playback Head azimuth is adjsuted ( while record >head > >position is fixed - pre-aligned at Factory as per service manual) and >same > >is the case with CR7 during record calibration process. > > > >I feel the later playback Azimuth adjustment facility has an additional > >benefit of adjustment for cassettes recorded on another deck to play > >without loss of High frequency in these later decks. > > > >Here we are talking of very small adjsutment of Azimuth alone while the > >Zenith of these heads require correct positioning. So you need >calibrating > >gauges and tapes ( of great cost) to position the heads on the correct > >location! > > > >The adjustment( record calibration)of Azimuth is very small and that > >actually corrects any change in position of the heads if it had moved as > >Nak head position can move on their base with only a plastic screw >holding > >them on to the head block! > > Generally once calibrated the position does not cahnge over time unless > >the deck is transported or head is physically moved. > >Kannan > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM: Try the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Jan 15 17:17:41 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 23:17:41 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth-tuning References: Message-ID: <002101c2bcb4$21205f20$9e199bca@smarzuki> Hi István, You're lucky to have Nak tech center close to you. What country are you located ? Regarding those plastic screws ... can you believe that when i brought home my brand new CR4 some years ago, the first thing i did was "tweak" the height screw ??? Ouch !! I agree RX flipping mechanism is a real beauty to watch. Better get your 505 to that Nak shop to get the heads aligned & probably belts replaced. I imagine the 120us eq switch will be difficult to repair but should be easy to replace. Good luck ! Salim SM (Jakarta, Indonesia) ----- Original Message ----- From: Sándor István To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 9:39 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Azimuth-tuning Hello Salim, I too, learned that lesson that time I bought the deck (about 4 years ago)... Since then I made it tuned at a specialized service-shop, and since then of course I do not made any alignment with those large white plastic screws. Yesterday my wife brought me an RX505, and I found that its head is possibly misaligned. The ZX7 sounds better regerdless of original (pre-recorded) casette or not. I will have to bring it to the above-mentioned shop, and make it tuned. It is still like a toy for a child, I was really amazed of how fast it flips the cassette. I nearly laughed, it was so funny for me. Best regards, István From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Jan 15 17:34:30 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 23:34:30 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Most "Reliable" Nak ? References: <20030114195109.41B12114918@webmail.vsnl.com> <002401c2bc93$e2770320$9e3cbbd4@raveneql1a1eu0> Message-ID: <002201c2bcb4$220233a0$9e199bca@smarzuki> Hi Maurits, Not sure what the standard dragon casptans dimensions are. Mine has different left & right diameters, probably for the 'diffused resonance' thing, as the deck maintains tape tension by a slightly slower turning supply capstan speed. Thus the left hand side is slower on forward play and alternately the right hand side got slower on reverse playback ... very cool ... but one additional thing that can go wrong ! Fortunately that complicated control seems to be quite robust - never heard any dragon speed / tension mechanism problem so far either on naktalk or locally. Thanks for the idea of wired remote application ! I need to run to deck every time the commercial starts =). Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Maurits To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 7:44 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Most "Reliable" Nak ? Tnx for the info. Is the dual capstan in the Dragon similar to the older types, with a thicker capstan to get tension on the tape, I suppose? I've made my own wired 20 feet remote control for the LX-5! Very usefull when record old tapes to CDwriter. I already had tapeout > auxin connection. But now I have no longer start the tape and run to the computer soundmixer. Maurits From sandorpistike at hotmail.com Wed Jan 15 18:26:03 2003 From: sandorpistike at hotmail.com (Sndor Istvn) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 18:26:03 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth-tuning Message-ID: Hello Salim, I am so amazed of these old but very sophisticated machines! Many people even did not hear about Nakamichi, altough it is one of the best (if not THE BEST) of the world. Pity that Nakamichi stopped producing new decks according to their old values: value without compromises. I admire that Nakamichi do not produce any machine with sparkling-flashing displays (oooohh, I hate them!). Just functionality and reliability and SOUND. They knew what we really need. I am from Hungary. This service-shop is not a Nak-center, but they are fully prepared to repair any Naks. They have the tools, and they have the knowledge also, because they were trained in Germany for repairing those nice machines (amongst other big-names like Rotel). bye! Istv�n >From: Salim Marzuki >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Azimuth-tuning >Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 23:17:41 +0700 > > >Hi Istv�n, > >You're lucky to have Nak tech center close to you. What country are you >located ? Regarding those plastic screws ... can you believe that when i >brought home my brand new CR4 some years ago, the first thing i did was >"tweak" the height screw ??? Ouch !! > >I agree RX flipping mechanism is a real beauty to watch. Better get your >505 to that Nak shop to get the heads aligned & probably belts replaced. I >imagine the 120us eq switch will be difficult to repair but should be easy >to replace. > >Good luck ! >Salim SM (Jakarta, Indonesia) > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: S�ndor Istv�n >To: naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 9:39 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Azimuth-tuning > > >Hello Salim, > >I too, learned that lesson that time I bought the deck (about 4 years >ago)... Since then I made it tuned at a specialized service-shop, and since >then of course I do not made any alignment with those large white plastic >screws. > >Yesterday my wife brought me an RX505, and I found that its head is >possibly >misaligned. The ZX7 sounds better regerdless of original (pre-recorded) >casette or not. I will have to bring it to the above-mentioned shop, and >make it tuned. > >It is still like a toy for a child, I was really amazed of how fast it >flips >the cassette. I nearly laughed, it was so funny for me. > >Best regards, >Istv�n > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From Ken.Gentry at gilbarco.com Wed Jan 15 18:43:41 2003 From: Ken.Gentry at gilbarco.com (Gentry, Ken) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 12:43:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Repairing Nak CR-1A Message-ID: Hi All, I have a CR-1A that I bought new in 1987. It worked great for about 8 years and then developed a problem. When I try to play or record, the head assembly raises part of the way the capstan motor turns, then the heads return to rest and the deck goes to the "stop" state. I read an item in the archives posted by Stephen Sank that this is a common problem with the control motor assembly (part #CA80007A). Has any other CR owner out there had this problem (and fixed it)? Did you do the repair yourself? If so, where did you pick up the motor assembly and for how much? I contacted United Radio Service in Syracuse, NY about buying the part. They gave me an 800 number for a Nak parts distributor, but I got no answer on the line. Stephen also mentioned the idea of overhauling the motor. Anyone have experience with this? Is the motor easy to disassemble and do some basic cleaning or is it a really involved process? I sent an email to Stephen Sank asking him the same questions, but he must be too busy to reply. Thought I'd throw out the question to group for any thoughts. Thank you in advance for any information you can provide. Ken ken.gentry at gilbarco.com From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Jan 15 19:30:59 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 01:30:59 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Repairing Nak CR-1A References: Message-ID: <004001c2bcc4$409650c0$9e199bca@smarzuki> Hi Ken, The control cam motor is quite easy to get into and disassemble, just be careful especially with the tiny brushes. If brush get broken (saw a messed up BX reel motor) then you'd need new motor. I did the repair myself per Stephen's guidance, and once changed the motor with a 'generic' one for less than $5. Getting to the reel motor is a longer story. :-) Good luck ! Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Gentry, Ken To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 12:43 AM Subject: [naktalk] Repairing Nak CR-1A Hi All, I have a CR-1A that I bought new in 1987. It worked great for about 8 years and then developed a problem. When I try to play or record, the head assembly raises part of the way the capstan motor turns, then the heads return to rest and the deck goes to the "stop" state. I read an item in the archives posted by Stephen Sank that this is a common problem with the control motor assembly (part #CA80007A). Has any other CR owner out there had this problem (and fixed it)? Did you do the repair yourself? If so, where did you pick up the motor assembly and for how much? I contacted United Radio Service in Syracuse, NY about buying the part. They gave me an 800 number for a Nak parts distributor, but I got no answer on the line. Stephen also mentioned the idea of overhauling the motor. Anyone have experience with this? Is the motor easy to disassemble and do some basic cleaning or is it a really involved process? I sent an email to Stephen Sank asking him the same questions, but he must be too busy to reply. Thought I'd throw out the question to group for any thoughts. Thank you in advance for any information you can provide. Ken ken.gentry at gilbarco.com From Ken.Gentry at gilbarco.com Wed Jan 15 20:01:47 2003 From: Ken.Gentry at gilbarco.com (Gentry, Ken) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 14:01:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Repairing Nak CR-1A Message-ID: Hi Salim, Thanks for the reply. Did you disassemble the motor itself and do some sort of cleaning? If so, what should I look to clean and with what kind of solution (i.e. isopropyl alcohol)? You mentioned getting a generic motor. Do you recall the source of the motor and what kind of specs to look for (i.e. voltage, etc.)? Thanks again, Ken -----Original Message----- From: Salim Marzuki [mailto:smarzuki at indosat.net.id] Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 1:31 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Repairing Nak CR-1A Hi Ken, The control cam motor is quite easy to get into and disassemble, just be careful especially with the tiny brushes. If brush get broken (saw a messed up BX reel motor) then you'd need new motor. I did the repair myself per Stephen's guidance, and once changed the motor with a 'generic' one for less than $5. Getting to the reel motor is a longer story. :-) Good luck ! Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Gentry, Ken To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 12:43 AM Subject: [naktalk] Repairing Nak CR-1A Hi All, I have a CR-1A that I bought new in 1987. It worked great for about 8 years and then developed a problem. When I try to play or record, the head assembly raises part of the way the capstan motor turns, then the heads return to rest and the deck goes to the "stop" state. I read an item in the archives posted by Stephen Sank that this is a common problem with the control motor assembly (part #CA80007A). Has any other CR owner out there had this problem (and fixed it)? Did you do the repair yourself? If so, where did you pick up the motor assembly and for how much? I contacted United Radio Service in Syracuse, NY about buying the part. They gave me an 800 number for a Nak parts distributor, but I got no answer on the line. Stephen also mentioned the idea of overhauling the motor. Anyone have experience with this? Is the motor easy to disassemble and do some basic cleaning or is it a really involved process? I sent an email to Stephen Sank asking him the same questions, but he must be too busy to reply. Thought I'd throw out the question to group for any thoughts. Thank you in advance for any information you can provide. Ken ken.gentry at gilbarco.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Wed Jan 15 21:58:38 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 02:28:38 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak Service in India ??? Message-ID: <20030115205838.7E28A114916@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From m.raven at chello.nl Thu Jan 16 00:49:10 2003 From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 00:49:10 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth-tuning References: Message-ID: <003101c2bcf0$b65f0a50$9e3cbbd4@raveneql1a1eu0> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sándor István" > prepared to repair any Naks. They have the tools, and they have the > knowledge also, because they were trained in Germany for repairing those > nice machines (amongst other big-names like Rotel). You're kidding to compare Rotel among Nakamichi. Nakamichi has produced the finest transport and heads ever in de cassette age. Number 2,3, 4 does not exist and then at 5 the Revox. Maybe Rotel at 13 ;-) Just my 2cents. Maurits From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Jan 16 02:19:09 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 08:19:09 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Repairing Nak CR-1A References: Message-ID: <118b01c2bcfd$675581c0$71299bca@smarzuki> Hi Ken, I did open the motor myself, cleaned the rotor contact area with alcohol and sprayed contact cleaner (rotor was gummed up with deposit) - the tiny brush itself was relatively clean but i did wipe the contact surface with a very fine grit sandpaper. Just need to be extra careful when re-assembling the plastic cover where the brush is mounted. Sorry I must've confused the 'generic' CR capstan motor with cam control. The cam motor that I have is a genuine Sankyo, bought as a spare just in case i messed up the brush. There's no voltage marking on the motor but I'll let you know once i find out the spec/ rating. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Gentry, Ken To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 2:01 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Repairing Nak CR-1A Hi Salim, Thanks for the reply. Did you disassemble the motor itself and do some sort of cleaning? If so, what should I look to clean and with what kind of solution (i.e. isopropyl alcohol)? You mentioned getting a generic motor. Do you recall the source of the motor and what kind of specs to look for (i.e. voltage, etc.)? Thanks again, Ken From sandorpistike at hotmail.com Thu Jan 16 09:17:23 2003 From: sandorpistike at hotmail.com (Sndor Istvn) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 09:17:23 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth-tuning Message-ID: I do not compare them, but mentioned. This service does repair not only (not mainly) decks, but other hi-fi and high-end devices. If you would like to know the exact types, just look at this: http://www.totel.netcom.hu/service.htm (or: www.totel.netcom.hu) Sorry, it is in Hungarian, but you will understand at least the names. Best regards, Istv�n >From: "Maurits" >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Azimuth-tuning >Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 00:49:10 +0100 > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "S�ndor Istv�n" > > prepared to repair any Naks. They have the tools, and they have the > > knowledge also, because they were trained in Germany for repairing those > > nice machines (amongst other big-names like Rotel). > > >You're kidding to compare Rotel among Nakamichi. >Nakamichi has produced the finest transport and heads ever in de cassette >age. Number 2,3, 4 does not exist and then at 5 the Revox. Maybe Rotel at >13 >;-) Just my 2cents. > > >Maurits > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu Jan 16 09:53:44 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (wheijke at xs4all.nl) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 09:53:44 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] New brochures Message-ID: <14793.62.72.223.42.1042707224.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> I've added freshly scanned (multipage color) brochures of the following models to the ftp server: -350 -500 -600 -680 -1000 Wouter From m.raven at chello.nl Thu Jan 16 15:07:07 2003 From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 15:07:07 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth-tuning References: Message-ID: <000d01c2bd68$8e287620$9e3cbbd4@raveneql1a1eu0> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sándor István" To: Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Azimuth-tuning > I do not compare them, but mentioned. This service does repair not only (not > mainly) decks, but other hi-fi and high-end devices. > If you would like to know the exact types, just look at this: > http://www.totel.netcom.hu/service.htm > (or: www.totel.netcom.hu) > Sorry, it is in Hungarian, but you will understand at least the names. http://www.rotel.com/products/index.htm ..and now you write Totel. Pretty confusing this time. I understamd you did not place Nakamichi and the much lower end Rotel cassettedecks at the same level? > > > knowledge also, because they were trained in Germany for repairing those > > > nice machines (amongst other big-names like Rotel). Okay, maybe they repair Nakamichi and has a good technican on the payrole. Buyers of Naks are 1. Nak lovers (like the most of here) 2. Salesmen of nearly vintage machines. But servicing an expensive NAK is best done according to the manual. Misagligment of a 3 head casettedeck isn't easy to readjust. My old A77 Revox reeldeck is easy to align. (I have the equipment an manual and testtape). They have soft heads and has to replace at 4 years of heavily use. I did a couple of years ago the same for a master guitarist named Jan Akkerman (ex. Focus-Brainbox) on his home 8 track machine. Now it's all PCM / harddisk recording ;-) Maurits From sandorpistike at hotmail.com Thu Jan 16 15:29:02 2003 From: sandorpistike at hotmail.com (Sndor Istvn) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 15:29:02 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth-tuning Message-ID: Dear Maurits, I wrote TOTEL (T like Tamagochi) because it is the name of the repair-service. But I mentioned Rotel before, as a brand-name of many, well known hifi-appliances like amplifiers, turntables, etc. Personally me did not even see any Rotel-tapedeck, so this is the reason I do not know them. But I heard this name many times as a supplier of good amplifiers. Of course I do not want to express that Rotel is more spohisticated. I know only Nakamichi tapedeck(s), and do not know Rotel tapedecks (is there any?). On the other hand I am totally satisfied with Nakamichi, this is the reason I do not really care about other decks regardless if there is a better deck or not. Hope it is clear now. Please let me know if my English is not possible to understand. Istv�n >From: "Maurits" >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Azimuth-tuning >Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 15:07:07 +0100 > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "S�ndor Istv�n" >To: >Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 9:17 AM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Azimuth-tuning > > > > I do not compare them, but mentioned. This service does repair not only >(not > > mainly) decks, but other hi-fi and high-end devices. > > If you would like to know the exact types, just look at this: > > http://www.totel.netcom.hu/service.htm > > (or: www.totel.netcom.hu) > > Sorry, it is in Hungarian, but you will understand at least the names. > >http://www.rotel.com/products/index.htm >..and now you write Totel. Pretty confusing this time. I understamd you did >not place Nakamichi and the much lower end Rotel cassettedecks at the same >level? > > > > > > knowledge also, because they were trained in Germany for repairing >those > > > > nice machines (amongst other big-names like Rotel). > > >Okay, maybe they repair Nakamichi and has a good technican on the payrole. >Buyers of Naks are 1. Nak lovers (like the most of here) 2. Salesmen of >nearly vintage machines. >But servicing an expensive NAK is best done according to the manual. >Misagligment of a 3 head casettedeck isn't easy to readjust. >My old A77 Revox reeldeck is easy to align. (I have the equipment an manual >and testtape). They have soft heads and has to replace at 4 years of >heavily >use. I did a couple of years ago the same for a master guitarist named Jan >Akkerman (ex. Focus-Brainbox) on his home 8 track machine. Now it's all PCM >/ harddisk recording ;-) > > >Maurits > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Jan 16 15:29:38 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 09:29:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Repairing Nak CR-1A References: <118b01c2bcfd$675581c0$71299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3E26C1D2.D651DE92@rcn.com> Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Hi Ken, > > I did open the motor myself, cleaned the rotor contact area with alcohol and > sprayed contact cleaner (rotor was gummed up with deposit) - the tiny brush > itself was relatively clean but i did wipe the contact surface with a very > fine grit sandpaper. Salim, just a quick note... I don't think it's a good idea to use sandpaper on the brush, because it will make the surface rough and then, it shed much more dust when the motor starts to run again,. It's better to just wipe the brush clean with alcohol. I do clean the commutator with fine steel wool, until the segments shine. Just before assembly, I spread a drop of contact cleaner on the segments -- after it evaporates, it leaves a film of non-conductive lubricant. -- Ron > ... Just need to be extra careful when re-assembling the > plastic cover where the brush is mounted. > > Sorry I must've confused the 'generic' CR capstan motor with cam control. > The cam motor that I have is a genuine Sankyo, bought as a spare just in > case i messed up the brush. There's no voltage marking on the motor but > I'll let you know once i find out the spec/ rating. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gentry, Ken > To: 'naktalk at naks.com' > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 2:01 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Repairing Nak CR-1A > > Hi Salim, > > Thanks for the reply. Did you disassemble the motor itself > and do some sort of cleaning? If so, what should I look to > clean and with what kind of solution (i.e. isopropyl alcohol)? > > You mentioned getting a generic motor. Do you recall the source > of the motor and what kind of specs to look for (i.e. voltage, etc.)? > > Thanks again, > Ken > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Ken.Gentry at gilbarco.com Thu Jan 16 15:43:51 2003 From: Ken.Gentry at gilbarco.com (Gentry, Ken) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 09:43:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Repairing Nak CR-1A Message-ID: I tried to remove the motor last night, but couldn't figure out how. I got the tape transport out, but the two mounting screws for the motor are blocked by a metal rod that holds two large metal plates apart. I started to remove the screws that hold these rods and then chickened out. Instead I turned the worm gear some with my finger (as suggested by Stephen) and the deck worked for a while but when I tried to rewind a tape this morning, it had stopped working. Salim and Ron, did you remove the motor before disassembling it or did you remove the back of the motor while it was still attached to the tape transport frame? Also, I did not notice how the plastic back of the motor is attached to the motor housing. Are there tabs that hold it on, are there screws there that I didn't see or is it glued on? I have some tuner contact cleaner/lubricant from Radio Shack that I have used on my integrated amps selector knobs to get rid of static. Will this work for cleaning the motor, too? Here's the web page for the cleaner: http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog_name=CTLG&category_name=CTLG_0 05_012_000_000&product_id=64-4315 The cleaner contains the following: Tetrafluoroethane Cyclomethicone Mineral Oil Thanks, Ken -----Original Message----- From: Ron [mailto:ra.ah at rcn.com] Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 9:30 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Repairing Nak CR-1A Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Hi Ken, > > I did open the motor myself, cleaned the rotor contact area with alcohol and > sprayed contact cleaner (rotor was gummed up with deposit) - the tiny brush > itself was relatively clean but i did wipe the contact surface with a very > fine grit sandpaper. Salim, just a quick note... I don't think it's a good idea to use sandpaper on the brush, because it will make the surface rough and then, it shed much more dust when the motor starts to run again,. It's better to just wipe the brush clean with alcohol. I do clean the commutator with fine steel wool, until the segments shine. Just before assembly, I spread a drop of contact cleaner on the segments -- after it evaporates, it leaves a film of non-conductive lubricant. -- Ron > ... Just need to be extra careful when re-assembling the > plastic cover where the brush is mounted. > > Sorry I must've confused the 'generic' CR capstan motor with cam control. > The cam motor that I have is a genuine Sankyo, bought as a spare just in > case i messed up the brush. There's no voltage marking on the motor but > I'll let you know once i find out the spec/ rating. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gentry, Ken > To: 'naktalk at naks.com' > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 2:01 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Repairing Nak CR-1A > > Hi Salim, > > Thanks for the reply. Did you disassemble the motor itself > and do some sort of cleaning? If so, what should I look to > clean and with what kind of solution (i.e. isopropyl alcohol)? > > You mentioned getting a generic motor. Do you recall the source > of the motor and what kind of specs to look for (i.e. voltage, etc.)? > > Thanks again, > Ken > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Jan 16 17:28:32 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 23:28:32 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Repairing Nak CR-1A References: Message-ID: <000801c2bd7c$682450c0$0b299bca@smarzuki> Hi Ken, Cam motor & plate needs to be removed from the mechanism block before you disassemble the motor, and the mech block itself need to be removed from the deck .... The plate which holds the motor has 2 screws, one below the motor and another from front (behind the front metal plate) holding the long shaft and plastic cam. Once the plate assembly is out then you can remove the 2 tiny screws that hold the motor. There's a BX300 pdf manual on Wouter's site, please take a look at figure 6.6 mechanism assembly. The back plastic plate itself was held by a tab in the motor housing which need to be bent to pull the backplate. Sorry if i make it sounds complicated ! And yes of course Ron is right about the proper way to clean the brushes. That fine grit sandpaper was a bad idea and wrong shortcut ... no wonder i got into problems so many times. =) Thanks for the tip Ron. If you can't find a replacement motor as a back up, I strongly suggest to spray the motor from the outside using contact cleaner through the two front mounting holes and twist the rotor back and forth. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Gentry, Ken To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 9:43 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Repairing Nak CR-1A I tried to remove the motor last night, but couldn't figure out how. I got the tape transport out, but the two mounting screws for the motor are blocked by a metal rod that holds two large metal plates apart. I started to remove the screws that hold these rods and then chickened out. Instead I turned the worm gear some with my finger (as suggested by Stephen) and the deck worked for a while but when I tried to rewind a tape this morning, it had stopped working. Salim and Ron, did you remove the motor before disassembling it or did you remove the back of the motor while it was still attached to the tape transport frame? Also, I did not notice how the plastic back of the motor is attached to the motor housing. Are there tabs that hold it on, are there screws there that I didn't see or is it glued on? I have some tuner contact cleaner/lubricant from Radio Shack that I have used on my integrated amps selector knobs to get rid of static. Will this work for cleaning the motor, too? Here's the web page for the cleaner: http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog_name=CTLG&category_name=CTLG_0 05_012_000_000&product_id=64-4315 The cleaner contains the following: Tetrafluoroethane Cyclomethicone Mineral Oil Thanks, Ken -----Original Message----- From: Ron [mailto:ra.ah at rcn.com] Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 9:30 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Repairing Nak CR-1A Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Hi Ken, > > I did open the motor myself, cleaned the rotor contact area with alcohol and > sprayed contact cleaner (rotor was gummed up with deposit) - the tiny brush > itself was relatively clean but i did wipe the contact surface with a very > fine grit sandpaper. Salim, just a quick note... I don't think it's a good idea to use sandpaper on the brush, because it will make the surface rough and then, it shed much more dust when the motor starts to run again,. It's better to just wipe the brush clean with alcohol. I do clean the commutator with fine steel wool, until the segments shine. Just before assembly, I spread a drop of contact cleaner on the segments -- after it evaporates, it leaves a film of non-conductive lubricant. -- Ron From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Jan 16 17:43:37 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 11:43:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Repairing Nak CR-1A References: Message-ID: <3E26E139.EB4978C6@rcn.com> "Gentry, Ken" wrote: > > [....] > > Salim and Ron, did you remove the motor before disassembling > it or did you remove the back of the motor while it was still > attached to the tape transport frame? The comment I made applies generally to *any* DC motor, not to the specific CR-1. In general, yes, you want to work on the motor itself, so you can clean and lubricate both ends of the shaft. -- Ron From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Jan 16 18:51:38 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 12:51:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR series transport question References: <200301111635_MC3-1-2430-D23@compuserve.com> <3E21482B.374CEA68@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <3E26F12A.75E60255@rcn.com> Do all CR series models use the same Sankyo transport? For example, I understand that the CR-1 has 2 heads and no motor for azimuth adjust, but does it use the same basic transport as the CR-7 transport? -- Ron From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Jan 16 19:16:54 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 18:16:54 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] =?iso-8859-1?B?SXN0duFu?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000601c2bd8b$72cf7ea0$f1b3193e@oemcomputer> István Do not worry about your English - it may not be perfect but at least you can write it, which is more than a lot of people can do in English speaking countries! :o) Graham > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Sándor István > Sent: 16 January 2003 14:29 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Azimuth-tuning > > > Dear Maurits, > I wrote TOTEL (T like Tamagochi) because it is the name of the > repair-service. > But I mentioned Rotel before, as a brand-name of many, well known > hifi-appliances like amplifiers, turntables, etc. > Personally me did not even see any Rotel-tapedeck, so this is the > reason I > do not know them. But I heard this name many times as a supplier of good > amplifiers. > > Of course I do not want to express that Rotel is more > spohisticated. I know > only Nakamichi tapedeck(s), and do not know Rotel tapedecks (is > there any?). > > On the other hand I am totally satisfied with Nakamichi, this is > the reason > I do not really care about other decks regardless if there is a > better deck > or not. > > Hope it is clear now. Please let me know if my English is not possible to > understand. > > István > > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/03 From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Jan 16 19:30:28 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 01:30:28 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR series transport question References: <200301111635_MC3-1-2430-D23@compuserve.com> <3E21482B.374CEA68@xs4all.nl> <3E26F12A.75E60255@rcn.com> Message-ID: <000401c2bd8d$58f6c180$0b299bca@smarzuki> Hi Ron, Apart from the direct vs belt drive stuff (and of course double capstan on CR 3-7) the basic transports all look alike to me ... Just like 480 / LX3 transport is similar to the 1000zxl ! One small question to you: what is the actual difference between regular capstan / dc motor with reel motor (which can be used for FF/rew) ? The reel motor is more difficult to find over here. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 12:51 AM Subject: [naktalk] CR series transport question Do all CR series models use the same Sankyo transport? For example, I understand that the CR-1 has 2 heads and no motor for azimuth adjust, but does it use the same basic transport as the CR-7 transport? -- Ron From kannan_s at vsnl.com Thu Jan 16 19:42:03 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 00:12:03 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] CR series transport question Message-ID: <20030116184203.30AD3114920@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From Ken.Gentry at gilbarco.com Thu Jan 16 20:23:15 2003 From: Ken.Gentry at gilbarco.com (Gentry, Ken) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 14:23:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR series transport question Message-ID: Newbee question --- Be gentle on me, please ;-) I have seen "Sankyo Transport" mentioned. Is Sankyo a subcontractor for the mechanism or is it a "model" name for that transport made by Nakamichi. If Sankyo is a subcontractor, what else do they make? Ken -----Original Message----- From: kannan_s at vsnl.com [mailto:kannan_s at vsnl.com] Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 1:42 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR series transport question Ron the basic Frame of sankyo transport is same including the capstan bearing / pinch roller block etc whether it is a two head or three head with DD motor or for that matter CR3 with belt driven dual capstans!, The frame has large number of holes to fix additional fixtures like the motor for Azimuth adjust in CR7. They have done a nice mod like splitting the head block in two for Play head azimuth tilt mechanism in CR7. But some parts may be differnt in different application but as for I know they are built on a same basic frame. coming to drives - you have plenty of parts going on to the frame to make up Direct drive motor driven Dual capstan or belt driven mechanism. The second flywheel for the take up capstan in Cr3 is same as CR4. While the other capstan is different as it is part of Direct drive motor. But if you are thinking of replacement for CR7 using CR1 two head mechanism- fitting large number of additional materials to a simple mechanism may not be worthwhile. Sometime that basic frame of ( CR1) may not have holes for fitting some additional parts for CR7. As these parts had been made by CNC punch press, the frame designer might have omitted unwanted holes for Dual capstan drive parts probably to reduce cost. Better look for an Diret drive mechanism like Bx300/ DRx /CR4 mechanisms as part for CR7 Kannan ra.ah at rcn.com wrote Do all CR series models use the same Sankyo transport? For example, I understand that the CR-1 has 2 heads and no motor for azimuth adjust, but does it use the same basic transport as the CR-7 transport? -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Thu Jan 16 20:32:33 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 01:02:33 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] CR series transport question Message-ID: <20030116193233.EA288114956@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From stan.targowski at attbi.com Thu Jan 16 20:36:42 2003 From: stan.targowski at attbi.com (Stan Targowski) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 13:36:42 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] CR series transport question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sankyo is a name of the company, rather than a "model" ... From stan.targowski at attbi.com Thu Jan 16 20:51:25 2003 From: stan.targowski at attbi.com (Stan Targowski) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 13:51:25 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] CR series transport question In-Reply-To: <20030116193233.EA288114956@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: Sankyo is not affiliated with Sanyo. Sankyo [Seiki Manufacturing] is actually an older, independent company - also not to be confused with Sankyo Corp which is the second largest Japanese pharmaceutical company. The names seem to be similar. Stan -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of kannan_s at vsnl.com Sent: Thu, January 16, 2003 1:33 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR series transport question Sankyo is a part of sanyo corporation making casssette deck mechanisms ( and many other components) in millions as an OEM vendor. Nakamichi started using sankyo made mechanisms in later years to save cost? Kannan Ken.Gentry at gilbarco.com wrote Newbee question --- Be gentle on me, please ;-) I have seen "Sankyo Transport" mentioned. Is Sankyo a subcontractor for the mechanism or is it a "model" name for that transport made by Nakamichi. If Sankyo is a subcontractor, what else do they make? Ken ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Jan 16 21:57:23 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 15:57:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR series transport question References: <20030116184203.30AD3114920@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <3E271CB3.F1ACC1C1@rcn.com> Thanks, Salim and Kannan -- this was indeed my thinking: getting a CR-1 for replacement transport parts for my CR-7. Turns out it wasn't such a hot idea. I'll keep on looking for a CR-4, CR-5, or BX-300 for that. Unfortunately, most units of these models posted on ebay have a mechanical problem and/or are too expensive... -- Ron kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > > Ron > the basic Frame of sankyo transport is same including the capstan bearing / pinch roller block etc whether it is a two head or three head with DD motor or for that matter CR3 with belt driven dual capstans!, The frame has large number of holes to fix additional fixtures like the motor for Azimuth adjust in CR7. They have done a nice mod like splitting the head block in two for Play head azimuth tilt mechanism in CR7. But some parts may be differnt in different application but as for I know they are built on a same basic frame. > coming to drives - you have plenty of parts going on to the frame to make up Direct drive motor driven Dual capstan or belt driven mechanism. The second flywheel for the take up capstan in Cr3 is same as CR4. While the other capstan is different as it is part of Direct drive motor. > But if you are thinking of replacement for CR7 using CR1 two head mechanism- fitting large number of additional materials to a simple mechanism may not be worthwhile. Sometime that basic frame of ( CR1) may not have holes for fitting some additional parts for CR7. As these parts had been made by CNC punch press, the frame designer might have omitted unwanted holes for Dual capstan drive parts probably to reduce cost. Better look for an Diret drive mechanism like Bx300/ DRx /CR4 mechanisms as part for CR7 > > Kannan > > ra.ah at rcn.com wrote > > Do all CR series models use the same Sankyo transport? > For example, I understand that the CR-1 has 2 heads and > no motor for azimuth adjust, but does it use the same > basic transport as the CR-7 transport? > > -- Ron > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From sandorpistike at hotmail.com Thu Jan 16 22:43:41 2003 From: sandorpistike at hotmail.com (Sndor Istvn) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 22:43:41 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Istvn Message-ID: Hello Nelson, many thanks for spoiling me... ;-) (Beg for pardon of the others for being off-topic...) Istv�n >From: "Graham Nelson" >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: >Subject: [naktalk] Istv�n >Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 18:16:54 -0000 > >Istv�n > >Do not worry about your English - it may not be perfect but at least you >can >write it, which is more than a lot of people can do in English speaking >countries! :o) > >Graham > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > S�ndor Istv�n > > Sent: 16 January 2003 14:29 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Azimuth-tuning > > > > > > Dear Maurits, > > I wrote TOTEL (T like Tamagochi) because it is the name of the > > repair-service. > > But I mentioned Rotel before, as a brand-name of many, well known > > hifi-appliances like amplifiers, turntables, etc. > > Personally me did not even see any Rotel-tapedeck, so this is the > > reason I > > do not know them. But I heard this name many times as a supplier of good > > amplifiers. > > > > Of course I do not want to express that Rotel is more > > spohisticated. I know > > only Nakamichi tapedeck(s), and do not know Rotel tapedecks (is > > there any?). > > > > On the other hand I am totally satisfied with Nakamichi, this is > > the reason > > I do not really care about other decks regardless if there is a > > better deck > > or not. > > > > Hope it is clear now. Please let me know if my English is not possible >to > > understand. > > > > Istv�n > > > > > > > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/03 > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM: Try the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From blueswapper at angelfire.com Fri Jan 17 04:40:55 2003 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 19:40:55 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) Message-ID: Dear NakTalk friends I'm pleased with the refreshing recent return to Nak related topics, and I'm quite intrigued with the growing international mix of the membership. Being a geographer and cartographer during my early professional career (that was twenty years ago, I'm now an information systems manager involved with geographic information system & global positioning system technologies), I'd like to gather information from NakTalkers to create a spatial database of who you are, where you live, years you've collected Nak gear, decks you possess, et cetera. With such a database of information, I could then easily create a nice global map showing where everyone resides in relation to each other. Selected information could also be attributed to locations and names. And from that a digital colored map image could then be created shared between all participating NakTalkers. This might be a fair amount of work for me, but let's see if there is interest and usefulness for the membership. Haven't you occasionally wondered where someone who posted a message lives in the world? Well, a global location map might be a nice visual compliment to understanding where your NakTalk friends are emailing us world-wide. I'm curious if others have similar feelings about furthering global comradery and understanding. Interested in supporting and furthering my idea? I will wait for your replies, directly to me or via NakTalk. Best regards, K.J. Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Give Peace A Chance!!! http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html ____________________________________________________________ Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Fri Jan 17 05:13:25 2003 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 20:13:25 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) References: Message-ID: <3E2782E4.FA2DF86C@earthlink.net> What a great idea! I'm in San Francisco and have never owned a Nakamichi (the horror!!). Back when cassette decks where the primary consumer recording medium I was in my early teens and couldn't afford the deck of my dreams, the 682ZX. I spent my twenties working as a recording and sound reinforcement engineer and now, at the age of 38, own a high end stereo sales and consulting business. To say that I'm interested in all things audio related is an understatement and is the principle reason I'm on this list. I look forward to learning more about our fellow NakTalkers. Jim Volpatti Silent Lucidity The BlueSwapper wrote: > Dear NakTalk friends > > I'm pleased with the refreshing recent return to Nak related topics, and I'm quite intrigued with the growing international mix of the membership. Being a geographer and cartographer during my early professional career (that was twenty years ago, I'm now an information systems manager involved with geographic information system & global positioning system technologies), I'd like to gather information from NakTalkers to create a spatial database of who you are, where you live, years you've collected Nak gear, decks you possess, et cetera. With such a database of information, I could then easily create a nice global map showing where everyone resides in relation to each other. Selected information could also be attributed to locations and names. And from that a digital colored map image could then be created shared between all participating NakTalkers. This might be a fair amount of work for me, but let's see if there is interest and usefulness for the membership. > > Haven't you occasionally wondered where someone who posted a message lives in the world? Well, a global location map might be a nice visual compliment to understanding where your NakTalk friends are emailing us world-wide. I'm curious if others have similar feelings about furthering global comradery and understanding. > > Interested in supporting and furthering my idea? I will wait for your replies, directly to me or via NakTalk. > > Best regards, > > K.J. Bleus > > --- > Help keep the blues alive! Give Peace A Chance!!! > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html > > ____________________________________________________________ > Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! > Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Jan 17 06:31:44 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 00:31:44 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) References: Message-ID: <3E279540.49A197D2@rcn.com> I think it's an intriguing idea. I live in the Boston Metro West area, MA, USA. I am not a Nak collector -- I have simply owned one deck at a time, as a component in my sound (and now, A/V) system. My first Nak was the 700, purchased new in 1974. I replaced it with a new 582 in 1981; mostly, because I wanted a lower form factor, but using the opportunity to upgrade to a better deck. In 1997/98 I upgraded my whole system to a full fledged home theater. It made sense to upgrade the cassette deck as well. I thought I'd get the best Nak I could. After much soul searching I decided on a CR-7 (winning over a Dragon). I still have (and often use) this deck. I have a small collection of cassettes (about 100 pre-recorded and another couple of hundred of self recorded ones). While I still record onto cassettes from time to time, more and more of my recordings and compilations are now done to CD-R. -- Ron The BlueSwapper wrote: > > Dear NakTalk friends > > I'm pleased with the refreshing recent return to Nak related topics, and I'm quite intrigued with the growing international mix of the membership. Being a geographer and cartographer during my early professional career (that was twenty years ago, I'm now an information systems manager involved with geographic information system & global positioning system technologies), I'd like to gather information from NakTalkers to create a spatial database of who you are, where you live, years you've collected Nak gear, decks you possess, et cetera. With such a database of information, I could then easily create a nice global map showing where everyone resides in relation to each other. Selected information could also be attributed to locations and names. And from that a digital colored map image could then be created shared between all participating NakTalkers. This might be a fair amount of work for me, but let's see if there is interest and usefulness for the membership. > > Haven't you occasionally wondered where someone who posted a message lives in the world? Well, a global location map might be a nice visual compliment to understanding where your NakTalk friends are emailing us world-wide. I'm curious if others have similar feelings about furthering global comradery and understanding. > > Interested in supporting and furthering my idea? I will wait for your replies, directly to me or via NakTalk. > > Best regards, > > K.J. Bleus > > --- > Help keep the blues alive! Give Peace A Chance!!! > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html > > ____________________________________________________________ > Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! > Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From sandorpistike at hotmail.com Fri Jan 17 08:00:14 2003 From: sandorpistike at hotmail.com (Sndor Istvn) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 08:00:14 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) Message-ID: Dear Mr. Bleus, of course I am interested. Though I am only a newbie here... I was debating about having a database of the Naks also, eg. type, and serial number. Can you or anyone amongst us read anythingh from the serial number, eg. where and when it was produced, and similars? Thank you for your cooperative initiation. Best regards, Istv�n >From: "The BlueSwapper" >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: naktalk at naks.com >CC: blueswapper at angelfire.com >Subject: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) >Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 19:40:55 -0800 > >Dear NakTalk friends > >I'm pleased with the refreshing recent return to Nak related topics, and >I'm quite intrigued with the growing international mix of the membership. >Being a geographer and cartographer during my early professional career >(that was twenty years ago, I'm now an information systems manager involved >with geographic information system & global positioning system >technologies), I'd like to gather information from NakTalkers to create a >spatial database of who you are, where you live, years you've collected Nak >gear, decks you possess, et cetera. With such a database of information, I >could then easily create a nice global map showing where everyone resides >in relation to each other. Selected information could also be attributed to >locations and names. And from that a digital colored map image could then >be created shared between all participating NakTalkers. This might be a >fair amount of work for me, but let's see if there is interest and >usefulness for the membership. > >Haven't you occasionally wondered where someone who posted a message lives >in the world? Well, a global location map might be a nice visual >compliment to understanding where your NakTalk friends are emailing us >world-wide. I'm curious if others have similar feelings about furthering >global comradery and understanding. > >Interested in supporting and furthering my idea? I will wait for your >replies, directly to me or via NakTalk. > >Best regards, > >K.J. Bleus > >--- >Help keep the blues alive! Give Peace A Chance!!! >http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html >http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html > > > > >____________________________________________________________ >Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! >Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Jan 17 09:11:55 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 10:11:55 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20[naktalk]=20Istv=E1n?= Message-ID: Hello Istvan, Your English is fine, believe me. Graham is right. Many of my colleague "anglophiles" should be restrained from keyboards and their pens should be confiscated. As for Rotel cassette decks - yes I understood you that way too - referring to Rotel hi-fi in general. Their amps represent good material value and are very nicely laid out inside. Perfect for tweaking!! They did in fact have a few cassette decks. I'm pretty sure they outsourced the manufacture to someone else - but I could never pin it down. I'm aware of the RD 945, and RD 960 which succeeded the 800 series. They were tough and durable enough but contained no flair in the way of design, nor fireworks in the way of performance. Looks wise, they were unfortunately rather "agricultural" as with most Rotel gear of the era. I would say that they helped to fill the Rotel catalogue with a deck or two that performed the function of recording and playing back without being totally appalling. But no recordist's dream, that's for sure. Regards, Marc >>> graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk 01/16/03 08:16PM >>> István Do not worry about your English - it may not be perfect but at least you can write it, which is more than a lot of people can do in English speaking countries! :o) Graham > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Sándor István > Sent: 16 January 2003 14:29 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Azimuth-tuning > > > Dear Maurits, > I wrote TOTEL (T like Tamagochi) because it is the name of the > repair-service. > But I mentioned Rotel before, as a brand-name of many, well known > hifi-appliances like amplifiers, turntables, etc. > Personally me did not even see any Rotel-tapedeck, so this is the > reason I > do not know them. But I heard this name many times as a supplier of good > amplifiers. > > Of course I do not want to express that Rotel is more > spohisticated. I know > only Nakamichi tapedeck(s), and do not know Rotel tapedecks (is > there any?). > > On the other hand I am totally satisfied with Nakamichi, this is > the reason > I do not really care about other decks regardless if there is a > better deck > or not. > > Hope it is clear now. Please let me know if my English is not possible to > understand. > > István > > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/03 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From jdieguez at wanadoo.es Fri Jan 17 12:03:37 2003 From: jdieguez at wanadoo.es (jdieguez) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 12:03:37 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] demagnetizer advice Message-ID: Hello!! I'm a newbie to nakamichi decks but I'm very happy with my 2nd hand DR-1. I bought it in really good condition but I want to obtain the best performance from it. So, I've cleaned the heads with isoprophyl alcohol, and also the pich roller with water. I'm thinking about using MEK (methyl ethyl ketone) for the pinch roller, can this do harm to it? The deck already sounds quite good, but now I would like to use a proper wand-type demagnetizer to squeeze every bit of quality out of it. Of course, I would love to get the DM-10, but this is very difficult to come by (abybody has got a spare 220 Volt DM10 for sale??) ;)) Other options usually found on ebay include these, I hope anybody can give me comments about them: 1. han-d-mag: maybe this is TOO powerful?? The deck already sounds good so I think maybe there's no need to use this nuclear-weapon on it!! 2. "The black one with the red button" http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3305829295&category=32093 3. "The DM10-like with no button" http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3001371677&category=15000 4. The expensive ferrograph defluxer" http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3305033357&category=32093 I'd appretiate any advice you can give me about these demagnetizers, I just want to use it to remove ocassional residual magnetization. Thanks!!!! Javi _____________________________________________________________________ Horas ilimitadas para leer y enviar correos con Tarifa Plana Wanadoo ¡¡ desde las 3 de la tarde!! Compruébalo en http://www.wanadoo.es/acceso-internet From hisself at ol-jim.com Fri Jan 17 13:13:43 2003 From: hisself at ol-jim.com (Ol' Jim, hisself) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 07:13:43 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_[naktalk]_Re:_[naktalk]_Istv=E1n?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3E27AD27.27989.1C8C294C@localhost> > Hello Istvan, > > Your English is fine, believe me. Graham is right. Many of my > colleague "anglophiles" should be restrained from keyboards and their > pens should be confiscated. > No FARE!! I talk reel gud, and I spel wurds gud, two! Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com An armed society is a polite society. From hisself at ol-jim.com Fri Jan 17 13:16:22 2003 From: hisself at ol-jim.com (Ol' Jim, hisself) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 07:16:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3E27ADC6.10462.1C8E93D8@localhost> > Dear NakTalk friends > I'd like to gather information from > NakTalkers to create a spatial database of who you are, where you > live, years you've collected Nak gear, decks you possess, et cetera. How safe would such a database be?? Do we really know who listens in on this group? Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com An armed society is a polite society. From m.raven at chello.nl Fri Jan 17 13:33:20 2003 From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 13:33:20 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_=5Bnaktalk=5D_Re:_=5Bnaktalk=5D_Istv=E1n?= References: Message-ID: <002401c2be24$9e627d30$9e3cbbd4@raveneql1a1eu0> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hugo" To: Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 9:11 AM Subject: [naktalk] Re: [naktalk] István > Hello Istvan, > > Hope it is clear now. Please let me know if my English is not possible to > > understand. No complaints at all! I inderstand every word of it. I'm living in the Netherlands, left from Germany. I suppose every Hongarian want to be an EC member. A stage girl worked for the watersupply company from Hungary told me the tomatoes and paprika's are much, much better over there ;-) Maurits From Ken.Gentry at gilbarco.com Fri Jan 17 15:30:29 2003 From: Ken.Gentry at gilbarco.com (Gentry, Ken) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 09:30:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) Message-ID: I live in Greensboro, NC (central NC, 90 miles west of Raleigh). I worked at a Nakamichi dealer in sales from 86 - 88. Once while working there, I got a chance to buy Nak gear at 60% off list. The only item I could afford (I was a lousy salesperson) was a CR-1. I used the deck for several years always making my own tapes for the car. In 96, my deck developed the control motor problem that I have recently been consulted here about. The deck stayed in it's box until two weeks ago when my wife wanted a tape for her car because our local radio choices are just awful. Ken PS - Yes I do kick myself constantly for not finding a way to at the time to buy a CR-3 for $300 or a CR-5 for $400! From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Jan 17 16:01:07 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 10:01:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) References: <3E27ADC6.10462.1C8E93D8@localhost> Message-ID: <3E281AB3.FFAC02B6@rcn.com> "Ol' Jim, hisself" wrote: > > > Dear NakTalk friends > > > I'd like to gather information from > > NakTalkers to create a spatial database of who you are, where you > > live, years you've collected Nak gear, decks you possess, et cetera. > > How safe would such a database be?? Do we really know who listens in on this group? What are you concerned about, Jim? That someone will steal your Nak deck identity? Just kidding... To be on the safe side, just refrain from posting your exact address. -- Ron From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Jan 17 16:12:52 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 17:12:52 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) Message-ID: Howdy Jim, You have a point, although I have an idea that we're a pretty benign bunch, all in all. Anyone who really doesn't like me (and still has a few scuds lying around) probably knows exactly where I stay already. Usually they tend to be the people in one's life already. Mind you, I care more about my Naks than my pelt. I'm in the back of beyond in Africa, and am more than willing to go with Bleu's concept of globally positioning us all. I am reminded of a local cartoonist's (Vic MacKenzie) quip a few years ago......."it's better to be wanted for murder than not to be wanted at all"............ Cheers, Marc >>> hisself at ol-jim.com 01/17/03 02:16PM >>> > Dear NakTalk friends > I'd like to gather information from > NakTalkers to create a spatial database of who you are, where you > live, years you've collected Nak gear, decks you possess, et cetera. How safe would such a database be?? Do we really know who listens in on this group? Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com An armed society is a polite society. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. 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From alex at autoconsortium.com Fri Jan 17 16:32:29 2003 From: alex at autoconsortium.com (Alex Cagann) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 10:32:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) In-Reply-To: <3E281AB3.FFAC02B6@rcn.com> Message-ID: > > > I'd like to gather information from > > > NakTalkers to create a spatial database of who you are, where you > > > live, years you've collected Nak gear, decks you possess, et cetera. Hello Ol Joe. I live in Indianapolis, Indiana. Have lived here forever. I am 30 years old and have had a nak deck since I was 15. I was actually given a Nakamichi Dragon when I was 15. No, my parents didn't buy me one, they had neither the money nor the inclination for audio gear. I always loved audio gear but couldn't afford much at all. My friend's family was ultra wealthy. They had 3 dragons, a ton of Mac stuff, a ton of Luxman stuff, etc, etc. I got to know his parents quite well and often mentioned how much I loved their Nakamichi Dragons. They told me to take one! Damn...I'm not sure if that wasn't the happiest day of my life....being only 15 and getting a Dragon for free! I still have the deck and it has worked great for all these years. Stephen repaired it a couple years ago, some azimuth error and capstan motor tuning was needed. A year ago I bought an RX505 to compliment the Dragon. I got it on ebay for $350 and it looks like it was just pulled out of the box. The two magnificent Nak's completely dominate my audio system rack...damn Nak equipment is beautiful. I have no other Nakamichi equipment but I have talked my dad into putting a budget system together from ebay. I think he should opt for the LX5 deck and an OMS disc player. Also, Stephen, I think we are going to get one of your turntables....please email me about that as I lost your info. That's my story. I am enjoying reading the info on everyone...good idea Joe! I'm also very grateful for this list (thank you Wouter) because my friends/acquaintances/girlfriend could care less about discussing tape decks :-) Alex Cagann From alex at autoconsortium.com Fri Jan 17 16:36:22 2003 From: alex at autoconsortium.com (Alex Cagann) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 10:36:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) In-Reply-To: <3E281AB3.FFAC02B6@rcn.com> Message-ID: Sorry about some of my mistakes on my earlier email. I had misread the original email and thought Ol Jim (who I called Joe...duh) had posted the question. Please disregard my stupidity. I haven't quite woken up today....had a few cocktails last night while listening to the Dragon. :-) Alex Cagann http://www.autoconsortium.com From hisself at ol-jim.com Fri Jan 17 16:41:51 2003 From: hisself at ol-jim.com (Ol' Jim, hisself) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 10:41:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) In-Reply-To: <3E281AB3.FFAC02B6@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3E27DDEF.26615.1D4AB52A@localhost> > What are you concerned about, Jim? That someone will steal your > Nak deck identity? Just kidding... To be on the safe side, just > refrain from posting your exact address. > More worried that someone might steal one, or all, of my Naks. OTOH, considering the value of the BX series, I guess it really wouldn't matter. Of course, the LX is another thing entirely. Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com An armed society is a polite society. From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Jan 17 16:56:41 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 22:56:41 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: rubber reconditioner Message-ID: <005a01c2be41$072349a0$b51a9bca@smarzuki> Hi all, Does anybody know how to recondition a very old rubber belt ? A turntable belt has snapped and the only spare is also old and brittle. Any idea to save the belt is much appreciated ... it is a hard-to-find 35 inch beogram 4002 belt. Thanks much in advance, Salim SM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Jan 17 17:10:08 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 23:10:08 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) References: Message-ID: <005b01c2be42$e8306580$b51a9bca@smarzuki> Excellent idea KJ ! I was hoping that one day the 'nakster brotherhood album' idea will materialise .. the marathon page was a good kickoff and this seems to be a natural follow up. Allright, here goes: Hello, my name is Salim, and I am a nakaholic. I was hypnotised by the feather touch control of 700 tri tracer back in 1974 when I was 11 years old - only some 22 yrs later I was able to afford my own new CR4. After making the mistake of joining naktalk now I realize I have 2 ears and stupidly own 17 naks ! Best regards from Jakarta, Indonesia. ----- Original Message ----- From: The BlueSwapper To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: blueswapper at angelfire.com Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 10:40 AM Subject: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) Dear NakTalk friends I'm pleased with the refreshing recent return to Nak related topics, and I'm quite intrigued with the growing international mix of the membership. Being a geographer and cartographer during my early professional career (that was twenty years ago, I'm now an information systems manager involved with geographic information system & global positioning system technologies), I'd like to gather information from NakTalkers to create a spatial database of who you are, where you live, years you've collected Nak gear, decks you possess, et cetera. With such a database of information, I could then easily create a nice global map showing where everyone resides in relation to each other. Selected information could also be attributed to locations and names. And from that a digital colored map image could then be created shared between all participating NakTalkers. This might be a fair amount of work for me, but let's see if there is interest and usefulness for the membership. Haven't you occasionally wondered where someone who posted a message lives in the world? Well, a global location map might be a nice visual compliment to understanding where your NakTalk friends are emailing us world-wide. I'm curious if others have similar feelings about furthering global comradery and understanding. Interested in supporting and furthering my idea? I will wait for your replies, directly to me or via NakTalk. Best regards, K.J. Bleus From jmtooley at ce.net Fri Jan 17 17:30:44 2003 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 11:30:44 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) References: Message-ID: <001d01c2be45$c9034210$f9106343@johnnyrotten> John M. Tooley Milton, DE Nakamichi ZXL 700 Put me on the map bro'. John T. ----- Original Message ----- From: "The BlueSwapper" To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 10:40 PM Subject: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) > Dear NakTalk friends > > I'm pleased with the refreshing recent return to Nak related topics, and I'm quite intrigued with the growing international mix of the membership. Being a geographer and cartographer during my early professional career (that was twenty years ago, I'm now an information systems manager involved with geographic information system & global positioning system technologies), I'd like to gather information from NakTalkers to create a spatial database of who you are, where you live, years you've collected Nak gear, decks you possess, et cetera. With such a database of information, I could then easily create a nice global map showing where everyone resides in relation to each other. Selected information could also be attributed to locations and names. And from that a digital colored map image could then be created shared between all participating NakTalkers. This might be a fair amount of work for me, but let's see if there is interest and usefulness for the membership. > > Haven't you occasionally wondered where someone who posted a message lives in the world? Well, a global location map might be a nice visual compliment to understanding where your NakTalk friends are emailing us world-wide. I'm curious if others have similar feelings about furthering global comradery and understanding. > > Interested in supporting and furthering my idea? I will wait for your replies, directly to me or via NakTalk. > > Best regards, > > K.J. Bleus > > --- > Help keep the blues alive! Give Peace A Chance!!! > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! > Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > From John at jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk Fri Jan 17 17:34:03 2003 From: John at jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 16:34:03 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] demagnetizer advice References: Message-ID: <3E28307B.5090407@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Javi I would avoid any demagnetizer with a switch - you must *not* turn it on or off anywhere near the deck, as that would make the permanent magnetization worse instead of better. You only need a cheap item. The seller for the Ferrograph piece is well known for asking (and getting) high prices, which is not justified in this case. I understand that Kurt Fisher of US Recording Media has plans to introduce a new design to the market - ask him usrecordingmedia at rcn.com You might mention my name too. John Walker From jmtooley at ce.net Fri Jan 17 17:39:30 2003 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 11:39:30 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) References: <3E2782E4.FA2DF86C@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <002901c2be47$033c3cb0$f9106343@johnnyrotten> Jim, you gotta get a Nak. Treat yourself to something nice as surely you must come across these machines from time to time via rich audio people who always want the latest and the greatest and would probably swap a Dragon for a dual CD burner that used tubes and cost $5000! ;-) John T. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 11:13 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) > What a great idea! > > I'm in San Francisco and have never owned a Nakamichi (the horror!!). Back when cassette decks where the primary consumer recording medium I was in my early teens and couldn't afford the deck of my dreams, the 682ZX. I spent my twenties working as a recording and sound reinforcement engineer and now, at the age of 38, own a high end stereo sales and consulting business. To say that I'm interested in all things audio related is an understatement and is the principle reason I'm on this list. > > I look forward to learning more about our fellow NakTalkers. > > Jim Volpatti > Silent Lucidity > > > > The BlueSwapper wrote: > > > Dear NakTalk friends > > > > I'm pleased with the refreshing recent return to Nak related topics, and I'm quite intrigued with the growing international mix of the membership. Being a geographer and cartographer during my early professional career (that was twenty years ago, I'm now an information systems manager involved with geographic information system & global positioning system technologies), I'd like to gather information from NakTalkers to create a spatial database of who you are, where you live, years you've collected Nak gear, decks you possess, et cetera. With such a database of information, I could then easily create a nice global map showing where everyone resides in relation to each other. Selected information could also be attributed to locations and names. And from that a digital colored map image could then be created shared between all participating NakTalkers. This might be a fair amount of work for me, but let's see if there is interest and usefulness for the membership. > > > > Haven't you occasionally wondered where someone who posted a message lives in the world? Well, a global location map might be a nice visual compliment to understanding where your NakTalk friends are emailing us world-wide. I'm curious if others have similar feelings about furthering global comradery and understanding. > > > > Interested in supporting and furthering my idea? I will wait for your replies, directly to me or via NakTalk. > > > > Best regards, > > > > K.J. Bleus > > > > --- > > Help keep the blues alive! Give Peace A Chance!!! > > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html > > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! > > Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > From jmtooley at ce.net Fri Jan 17 17:48:43 2003 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 11:48:43 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) References: <3E279540.49A197D2@rcn.com> Message-ID: <003401c2be48$4bfe1260$f9106343@johnnyrotten> I started with Aiwa and Sony machines the last of which both being Dolby B, C and HX Pro. Then a Nak. 700 followed by a 700 II which was beautifully restored by Stephen Sank. Stephen now has a ZXL machine of mine with outboard Dolby C unit getting the dreaded orange cap disease treatment. John T. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 12:31 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) > > I think it's an intriguing idea. > > I live in the Boston Metro West area, MA, USA. I am not a Nak > collector -- I have simply owned one deck at a time, as a > component in my sound (and now, A/V) system. My first Nak was > the 700, purchased new in 1974. I replaced it with a new 582 > in 1981; mostly, because I wanted a lower form factor, but > using the opportunity to upgrade to a better deck. > > In 1997/98 I upgraded my whole system to a full fledged home > theater. It made sense to upgrade the cassette deck as well. I > thought I'd get the best Nak I could. After much soul searching > I decided on a CR-7 (winning over a Dragon). I still have (and > often use) this deck. > > I have a small collection of cassettes (about 100 pre-recorded > and another couple of hundred of self recorded ones). While I > still record onto cassettes from time to time, more and more of > my recordings and compilations are now done to CD-R. > > -- Ron > > > The BlueSwapper wrote: > > > > Dear NakTalk friends > > > > I'm pleased with the refreshing recent return to Nak related topics, and I'm quite intrigued with the growing international mix of the membership. Being a geographer and cartographer during my early professional career (that was twenty years ago, I'm now an information systems manager involved with geographic information system & global positioning system technologies), I'd like to gather information from NakTalkers to create a spatial database of who you are, where you live, years you've collected Nak gear, decks you possess, et cetera. With such a database of information, I could then easily create a nice global map showing where everyone resides in relation to each other. Selected information could also be attributed to locations and names. And from that a digital colored map image could then be created shared between all participating NakTalkers. This might be a fair amount of work for me, but let's see if there is interest and usefulness for the membership. > > > > Haven't you occasionally wondered where someone who posted a message lives in the world? Well, a global location map might be a nice visual compliment to understanding where your NakTalk friends are emailing us world-wide. I'm curious if others have similar feelings about furthering global comradery and understanding. > > > > Interested in supporting and furthering my idea? I will wait for your replies, directly to me or via NakTalk. > > > > Best regards, > > > > K.J. Bleus > > > > --- > > Help keep the blues alive! Give Peace A Chance!!! > > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html > > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! > > Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > From John at jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk Fri Jan 17 17:51:28 2003 From: John at jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 16:51:28 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) References: Message-ID: <3E283490.9040809@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Hello Mr Bleus, nice to see you catalysing and coordinating again. Dr John Walker, 46 years old, Portland UK. My postcode begins DT5. I have two vintage Naks, a 700II and a 550. I aspire to a 1000ZXL or maybe a CR-7. Or perhaps I will just get a 32-track open reel. I also have a Revox A-77 open reel, and a Marantz 23 tuner (I knew that would get your interest!) I have only been interested in Nakamichis since I discovered eBay a couple of years ago. I appreciate the sound quality that Nakamichi obtained despite the limitations of the cassette medium, and the analytical approach that permeates the company's engineering - pressure pad lifter, playback azimuth adjustment, logic controls, dual flywheels, three heads - all that kind of stuff. I find this reminiscent of the way Rolls-Royce built its early cars. enough meandering, I look forward to seeing the map painted red and black! John Walker From jmtooley at ce.net Fri Jan 17 18:39:44 2003 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 12:39:44 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: rubber reconditioner References: <005a01c2be41$072349a0$b51a9bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <00ec01c2be4f$6c29d590$f9106343@johnnyrotten> I think I would email B&O in Denmark who hopefully could suggest some good soul in US who might still have some. John T. ----- Original Message ----- From: Salim Marzuki To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 10:56 AM Subject: [naktalk] OT: rubber reconditioner Hi all, Does anybody know how to recondition a very old rubber belt ? A turntable belt has snapped and the only spare is also old and brittle. Any idea to save the belt is much appreciated ... it is a hard-to-find 35 inch beogram 4002 belt. Thanks much in advance, Salim SM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmtooley at ce.net Fri Jan 17 18:46:04 2003 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 12:46:04 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) References: Message-ID: <00f801c2be50$4eb1c710$f9106343@johnnyrotten> Mr. Bleus, Any word on the marathon cassette / CD compilation from Carlos? I hope everything is okay with him as I haven't seen him surface in ages. Carlos, where are you? You at least must be warmer there in PR than here in mainland US. We are expecting 11 balmy degrees tonight! John T. ----- Original Message ----- From: "The BlueSwapper" To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 10:40 PM Subject: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) > Dear NakTalk friends > > I'm pleased with the refreshing recent return to Nak related topics, and I'm quite intrigued with the growing international mix of the membership. Being a geographer and cartographer during my early professional career (that was twenty years ago, I'm now an information systems manager involved with geographic information system & global positioning system technologies), I'd like to gather information from NakTalkers to create a spatial database of who you are, where you live, years you've collected Nak gear, decks you possess, et cetera. With such a database of information, I could then easily create a nice global map showing where everyone resides in relation to each other. Selected information could also be attributed to locations and names. And from that a digital colored map image could then be created shared between all participating NakTalkers. This might be a fair amount of work for me, but let's see if there is interest and usefulness for the membership. > > Haven't you occasionally wondered where someone who posted a message lives in the world? Well, a global location map might be a nice visual compliment to understanding where your NakTalk friends are emailing us world-wide. I'm curious if others have similar feelings about furthering global comradery and understanding. > > Interested in supporting and furthering my idea? I will wait for your replies, directly to me or via NakTalk. > > Best regards, > > K.J. Bleus > > --- > Help keep the blues alive! Give Peace A Chance!!! > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! > Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > From roleo at telus.net Fri Jan 17 18:55:57 2003 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 09:55:57 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: rubber reconditioner References: <005a01c2be41$072349a0$b51a9bca@smarzuki> <00ec01c2be4f$6c29d590$f9106343@johnnyrotten> Message-ID: <000d01c2be51$b06fa390$8075059a@desktop> Salim, Check out these two sites. If they don't ship direct, I'm sure one of our boys in the good ol' US of A wouldn't mind helping out in ordering it and shipping it to you. I wouldn't waste time with brittle rubber if fresh stuff is available. Perhaps get two and seal one in plastic for the future since they are getting rare I understand. --Roland http://www.19art.net/music/lp/belts.htm http://www.turntablebelts.com/bang.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: John M. Tooley To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 9:39 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: rubber reconditioner I think I would email B&O in Denmark who hopefully could suggest some good soul in US who might still have some. John T. ----- Original Message ----- From: Salim Marzuki To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 10:56 AM Subject: [naktalk] OT: rubber reconditioner Hi all, Does anybody know how to recondition a very old rubber belt ? A turntable belt has snapped and the only spare is also old and brittle. Any idea to save the belt is much appreciated ... it is a hard-to-find 35 inch beogram 4002 belt. Thanks much in advance, Salim SM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From m.raven at chello.nl Fri Jan 17 19:49:15 2003 From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 19:49:15 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) References: <001d01c2be45$c9034210$f9106343@johnnyrotten> Message-ID: <01b501c2be59$22793210$9e3cbbd4@raveneql1a1eu0> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Tooley" To: Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 5:30 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) Maurits J. Raven The Netherlands LX-5 Maurits From m.raven at chello.nl Fri Jan 17 19:59:05 2003 From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 19:59:05 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) References: <00f801c2be50$4eb1c710$f9106343@johnnyrotten> Message-ID: <01ec01c2be5a$84e35420$9e3cbbd4@raveneql1a1eu0> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Tooley" To: Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 6:46 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) > Mr. Bleus, > > Any word on the marathon cassette / CD compilation from Carlos? I hope > everything is okay with him as I haven't seen him surface in ages. > > Carlos, where are you? You at least must be warmer there in PR than here in > mainland US. We are expecting 11 balmy degrees tonight! -/or + ? The Amsterdam-guy named Fahrenheit? I't's now + five degrees Celcius over here. The airbase nearby has a lot of activity. They bring support for F-16 's to Afghanistan. The Germans and Dutch pilots do a lot air defence over there. I think it's better to get Karadidz, Mladic and Osama ;-) Sorry for the political issue. I don't do it again. Maurits From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Jan 17 21:23:17 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 20:23:17 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Rotel Cassettes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001201c2be66$4540a000$01e3193e@oemcomputer> > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Mark Hugo > Sent: 17 January 2003 08:12 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Re: [naktalk] István > > > > They did in fact have a few cassette decks. I'm pretty sure they > outsourced the manufacture to someone else - but I could never > pin it down. I did woinder if there was a tie-in with Yamaha as they appeared to use similar "tone" controls. Gra' > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/03 From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Jan 17 21:23:22 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 20:23:22 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Jim! In-Reply-To: <3E27AD27.27989.1C8C294C@localhost> Message-ID: <001301c2be66$4810d700$01e3193e@oemcomputer> Jim You must acquaint yourself to the works of John Clare, a brilliant poet who saw no benefit in worrying about punctuation marks or correct spelling! To keep this on topic .... I am sure John Clare would have LOVED Nakamichi cassette decks! Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Ol' Jim, hisself > Sent: 17 January 2003 12:14 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Re: [naktalk] Re: [naktalk] István > > > > Hello Istvan, > > > > Your English is fine, believe me. Graham is right. Many of my > > colleague "anglophiles" should be restrained from keyboards and their > > pens should be confiscated. > > > > No FARE!! I talk reel gud, and I spel wurds gud, two! > > Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida > hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com > > An armed society is a polite society. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/03 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/03 From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Jan 17 21:23:29 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 20:23:29 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) In-Reply-To: <3E27DDEF.26615.1D4AB52A@localhost> Message-ID: <001501c2be66$4c30bf80$01e3193e@oemcomputer> They wouldn't dare steal from you, Jim - you're ARMED!! :o) G > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Ol' Jim, hisself > Sent: 17 January 2003 15:42 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) > > > > What are you concerned about, Jim? That someone will steal your > > Nak deck identity? Just kidding... To be on the safe side, just > > refrain from posting your exact address. > > > > More worried that someone might steal one, or all, of my Naks. > OTOH, considering the > value of the BX series, I guess it really wouldn't matter. Of > course, the LX is another > thing entirely. > > Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida > hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com > > An armed society is a polite society. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/03 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/03 From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Jan 17 21:23:31 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 20:23:31 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) In-Reply-To: <002901c2be47$033c3cb0$f9106343@johnnyrotten> Message-ID: <001601c2be66$4d55b780$01e3193e@oemcomputer> Yep, I've got a nice RX-505 on e-bay right now ... :o) > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > John M. Tooley > Sent: 17 January 2003 16:40 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) > > > Jim, you gotta get a Nak. Treat yourself to something nice as surely you > must come across these machines from time to time via rich audio > people who > always want the latest and the greatest and would probably swap a > Dragon for > a dual CD burner that used tubes and cost $5000! ;-) > > John T. > > - > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/03 From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Jan 17 21:36:40 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 20:36:40 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001801c2be68$23a6b7c0$01e3193e@oemcomputer> I'm ALMOST 48 (birthday next month, guys ... get buying those presents for me ...) and live near Liverpool in the UK. I started with cassette way back 29 years ago when I bought a Sony unit that packed it's own amplifier and speakers. I've still got it ... for old times sake, not to use. I upgraded to a Aiwa AD1800 (top of the range in the UK at the time I bought it) about 3 years later, which gave good service for a number of years and still doesn't sound too bad. At that time I also heard about Nakamichi ... but they were way out of my price range. A couple or so years ago, I picked up a brand new Pioneer CTS830S @ half price. I know some of you aren't impressed by the Pioneer decks but this one does an excellent job in Dolby S and is brilliant at bringing life back into very old recordings. It will also play and record on tapes as long as C120 without any problems ... can't say that about a Nak! However ... I got my first Nak', a BX-1, courtesy of Stephen almost two years ago. A few months later, fortune smiled on me, I got a small windfall and acquired a ZX-9 from a fellow in Holland. Oh, that ZX-9 .... who needs Dolby S with one of these??? Last year I also bought a RX-505 on e-Bay. I've never touched, let alone heard it because it went straight to Stephen for servicing and repair and is now on sale on e-Bay. (Bidding is currently at the ridiculously low price of $375 ... I hope it goes higher than that!) I have also recently bought a ReVox B215 but have not yet received it - it's in transit from Paris. Luckily, there is a ReVox service engineer only an hour's drive from here, so I am hoping this deck will offer me god service, too. My next purchase ... I might be tempted by a CR7, for the azimuth adjust' playback, as an alternative to the Pioneer but, more likely, I think I may go for a HD recorder with built-in CD/R ... Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > The BlueSwapper > Sent: 17 January 2003 03:41 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Cc: blueswapper at angelfire.com > Subject: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) > > > Dear NakTalk friends > > I'm pleased with the refreshing recent return to Nak related > topics, and I'm quite intrigued with the growing international > mix of the membership. Being a geographer and cartographer > during my early professional career (that was twenty years ago, > I'm now an information systems manager involved with geographic > information system & global positioning system technologies), I'd > like to gather information from NakTalkers to create a spatial > database of who you are, where you live, years you've collected > Nak gear, decks you possess, et cetera. With such a database of > information, I could then easily create a nice global map showing > where everyone resides in relation to each other. Selected > information could also be attributed to locations and names. And > from that a digital colored map image could then be created > shared between all participating NakTalkers. This might be a > fair amount of work for me, but let's see if there is interest > and usefulness for the membership. > > Haven't you occasionally wondered where someone who posted a > message lives in the world? Well, a global location map might be > a nice visual compliment to understanding where your NakTalk > friends are emailing us world-wide. I'm curious if others have > similar feelings about furthering global comradery and understanding. > > Interested in supporting and furthering my idea? I will wait for > your replies, directly to me or via NakTalk. > > Best regards, > > K.J. Bleus > > --- > Help keep the blues alive! Give Peace A Chance!!! > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! > Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/03 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/03 From khmerideth at anderson.edu Fri Jan 17 22:13:39 2003 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 16:13:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) Message-ID: Gra, When you say you hope the B215 "will provide you god service, too.", I noticed you used the lower case "g" instead of the upper case "G". Of course, this would NOT be a case of us highly proficient English speaking/writing people having our fingers not conveying what our brain is telling them. ;-P This repartee coming from one that has trouble with "of" and "off". Yes, the B215 is a great deck, especially if you are making a tape for someone not having a Nak deck. Kent >>> graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk 01/17/03 03:36PM >>> I'm ALMOST 48 (birthday next month, guys ... get buying those presents for me ...) and live near Liverpool in the UK. I started with cassette way back 29 years ago when I bought a Sony unit that packed it's own amplifier and speakers. I've still got it ... for old times sake, not to use. I upgraded to a Aiwa AD1800 (top of the range in the UK at the time I bought it) about 3 years later, which gave good service for a number of years and still doesn't sound too bad. At that time I also heard about Nakamichi ... but they were way out of my price range. A couple or so years ago, I picked up a brand new Pioneer CTS830S @ half price. I know some of you aren't impressed by the Pioneer decks but this one does an excellent job in Dolby S and is brilliant at bringing life back into very old recordings. It will also play and record on tapes as long as C120 without any problems ... can't say that about a Nak! However ... I got my first Nak', a BX-1, courtesy of Stephen almost two years ago. A few months later, fortune smiled on me, I got a small windfall and acquired a ZX-9 from a fellow in Holland. Oh, that ZX-9 .... who needs Dolby S with one of these??? Last year I also bought a RX-505 on e-Bay. I've never touched, let alone heard it because it went straight to Stephen for servicing and repair and is now on sale on e-Bay. (Bidding is currently at the ridiculously low price of $375 ... I hope it goes higher than that!) I have also recently bought a ReVox B215 but have not yet received it - it's in transit from Paris. Luckily, there is a ReVox service engineer only an hour's drive from here, so I am hoping this deck will offer me god service, too. My next purchase ... I might be tempted by a CR7, for the azimuth adjust' playback, as an alternative to the Pioneer but, more likely, I think I may go for a HD recorder with built-in CD/R ... Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > The BlueSwapper > Sent: 17 January 2003 03:41 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Cc: blueswapper at angelfire.com > Subject: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) > > > Dear NakTalk friends > > I'm pleased with the refreshing recent return to Nak related > topics, and I'm quite intrigued with the growing international > mix of the membership. Being a geographer and cartographer > during my early professional career (that was twenty years ago, > I'm now an information systems manager involved with geographic > information system & global positioning system technologies), I'd > like to gather information from NakTalkers to create a spatial > database of who you are, where you live, years you've collected > Nak gear, decks you possess, et cetera. With such a database of > information, I could then easily create a nice global map showing > where everyone resides in relation to each other. Selected > information could also be attributed to locations and names. And > from that a digital colored map image could then be created > shared between all participating NakTalkers. This might be a > fair amount of work for me, but let's see if there is interest > and usefulness for the membership. > > Haven't you occasionally wondered where someone who posted a > message lives in the world? Well, a global location map might be > a nice visual compliment to understanding where your NakTalk > friends are emailing us world-wide. I'm curious if others have > similar feelings about furthering global comradery and understanding. > > Interested in supporting and furthering my idea? I will wait for > your replies, directly to me or via NakTalk. > > Best regards, > > K.J. Bleus > > --- > Help keep the blues alive! Give Peace A Chance!!! > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! > Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/03 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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I had always admired Naks, and became quite jealous of my son who recieved one as a gift from a friend who had tired of it.....yes really!.... a number of years ago. Deciding to go for the best, and hoping that the auto-azimuth capabilities of the Dragon would make it more capable of playing my old tapes, I gathered my nerve and went shopping on Ebay. The Dragon is in for an overhaul at ESL, and Jeff there has been very gracious. When it returns, the CR7a will go in. Wish I could help with some advice, but I am just learning the ins and outs of Naks, and, as I said, I am very gratefull to all of you for your open and free advice. R Kent S.F. Bay Area From stan.targowski at attbi.com Fri Jan 17 23:40:59 2003 From: stan.targowski at attbi.com (Stan Targowski) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 16:40:59 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Kent, I think what Graham meant was "good" instead of "God". Unless I am missing something. English ... Was in a meeting with a bunch of folks from UK, and terms, like "slam dunk", "cover all bases", needed further explanation. Stan -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kent Merideth Sent: Fri, January 17, 2003 3:14 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) Gra, When you say you hope the B215 "will provide you god service, too.", I noticed you used the lower case "g" instead of the upper case "G". Of course, this would NOT be a case of us highly proficient English speaking/writing people having our fingers not conveying what our brain is telling them. ;-P This repartee coming from one that has trouble with "of" and "off". Yes, the B215 is a great deck, especially if you are making a tape for someone not having a Nak deck. Kent >>> graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk 01/17/03 03:36PM >>> I'm ALMOST 48 (birthday next month, guys ... get buying those presents for me ...) and live near Liverpool in the UK. I started with cassette way back 29 years ago when I bought a Sony unit that packed it's own amplifier and speakers. I've still got it ... for old times sake, not to use. I upgraded to a Aiwa AD1800 (top of the range in the UK at the time I bought it) about 3 years later, which gave good service for a number of years and still doesn't sound too bad. At that time I also heard about Nakamichi ... but they were way out of my price range. A couple or so years ago, I picked up a brand new Pioneer CTS830S @ half price. I know some of you aren't impressed by the Pioneer decks but this one does an excellent job in Dolby S and is brilliant at bringing life back into very old recordings. It will also play and record on tapes as long as C120 without any problems ... can't say that about a Nak! However ... I got my first Nak', a BX-1, courtesy of Stephen almost two years ago. A few months later, fortune smiled on me, I got a small windfall and acquired a ZX-9 from a fellow in Holland. Oh, that ZX-9 .... who needs Dolby S with one of these??? Last year I also bought a RX-505 on e-Bay. I've never touched, let alone heard it because it went straight to Stephen for servicing and repair and is now on sale on e-Bay. (Bidding is currently at the ridiculously low price of $375 ... I hope it goes higher than that!) I have also recently bought a ReVox B215 but have not yet received it - it's in transit from Paris. Luckily, there is a ReVox service engineer only an hour's drive from here, so I am hoping this deck will offer me god service, too. My next purchase ... I might be tempted by a CR7, for the azimuth adjust' playback, as an alternative to the Pioneer but, more likely, I think I may go for a HD recorder with built-in CD/R ... Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > The BlueSwapper > Sent: 17 January 2003 03:41 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Cc: blueswapper at angelfire.com > Subject: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) > > > Dear NakTalk friends > > I'm pleased with the refreshing recent return to Nak related > topics, and I'm quite intrigued with the growing international > mix of the membership. Being a geographer and cartographer > during my early professional career (that was twenty years ago, > I'm now an information systems manager involved with geographic > information system & global positioning system technologies), I'd > like to gather information from NakTalkers to create a spatial > database of who you are, where you live, years you've collected > Nak gear, decks you possess, et cetera. With such a database of > information, I could then easily create a nice global map showing > where everyone resides in relation to each other. Selected > information could also be attributed to locations and names. And > from that a digital colored map image could then be created > shared between all participating NakTalkers. This might be a > fair amount of work for me, but let's see if there is interest > and usefulness for the membership. > > Haven't you occasionally wondered where someone who posted a > message lives in the world? Well, a global location map might be > a nice visual compliment to understanding where your NakTalk > friends are emailing us world-wide. I'm curious if others have > similar feelings about furthering global comradery and understanding. > > Interested in supporting and furthering my idea? I will wait for > your replies, directly to me or via NakTalk. > > Best regards, > > K.J. Bleus > > --- > Help keep the blues alive! Give Peace A Chance!!! > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! > Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/03 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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John T. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 3:23 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) > Yep, I've got a nice RX-505 on e-bay right now ... :o) > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > John M. Tooley > > Sent: 17 January 2003 16:40 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) > > > > > > Jim, you gotta get a Nak. Treat yourself to something nice as surely you > > must come across these machines from time to time via rich audio > > people who > > always want the latest and the greatest and would probably swap a > > Dragon for > > a dual CD burner that used tubes and cost $5000! ;-) > > > > John T. > > > > - > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/03 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Jan 17 23:49:39 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 22:49:39 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002001c2be7a$b75b59a0$01e3193e@oemcomputer> I have dyslexic fingers, Kent! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kent Merideth Sent: 17 January 2003 21:14 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) Gra, When you say you hope the B215 "will provide you god service, too.", I noticed you used the lower case "g" instead of the upper case "G". Of course, this would NOT be a case of us highly proficient English speaking/writing people having our fingers not conveying what our brain is telling them. ;-P This repartee coming from one that has trouble with "of" and "off". Yes, the B215 is a great deck, especially if you are making a tape for someone not having a Nak deck. Kent >>> graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk 01/17/03 03:36PM >>> I'm ALMOST 48 (birthday next month, guys ... get buying those presents for me ...) and live near Liverpool in the UK. I started with cassette way back 29 years ago when I bought a Sony unit that packed it's own amplifier and speakers. I've still got it ... for old times sake, not to use. I upgraded to a Aiwa AD1800 (top of the range in the UK at the time I bought it) about 3 years later, which gave good service for a number of years and still doesn't sound too bad. At that time I also heard about Nakamichi ... but they were way out of my price range. A couple or so years ago, I picked up a brand new Pioneer CTS830S @ half price. I know some of you aren't impressed by the Pioneer decks but this one does an excellent job in Dolby S and is brilliant at bringing life back into very old recordings. It will also play and record on tapes as long as C120 without any problems ... can't say that about a Nak! However ... I got my first Nak', a BX-1, courtesy of Stephen almost two years ago. A few months later, fortune smiled on me, I got a small windfall and acquired a ZX-9 from a fellow in Holland. Oh, that ZX-9 .... who needs Dolby S with one of these??? Last year I also bought a RX-505 on e-Bay. I've never touched, let alone heard it because it went straight to Stephen for servicing and repair and is now on sale on e-Bay. (Bidding is currently at the ridiculously low price of $375 ... I hope it goes higher than that!) I have also recently bought a ReVox B215 but have not yet received it - it's in transit from Paris. Luckily, there is a ReVox service engineer only an hour's drive from here, so I am hoping this deck will offer me god service, too. My next purchase ... I might be tempted by a CR7, for the azimuth adjust' playback, as an alternative to the Pioneer but, more likely, I think I may go for a HD recorder with built-in CD/R ... Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > The BlueSwapper > Sent: 17 January 2003 03:41 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Cc: blueswapper at angelfire.com > Subject: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) > > > Dear NakTalk friends > > I'm pleased with the refreshing recent return to Nak related > topics, and I'm quite intrigued with the growing international > mix of the membership. Being a geographer and cartographer > during my early professional career (that was twenty years ago, > I'm now an information systems manager involved with geographic > information system & global positioning system technologies), I'd > like to gather information from NakTalkers to create a spatial > database of who you are, where you live, years you've collected > Nak gear, decks you possess, et cetera. With such a database of > information, I could then easily create a nice global map showing > where everyone resides in relation to each other. Selected > information could also be attributed to locations and names. And > from that a digital colored map image could then be created > shared between all participating NakTalkers. This might be a > fair amount of work for me, but let's see if there is interest > and usefulness for the membership. > > Haven't you occasionally wondered where someone who posted a > message lives in the world? Well, a global location map might be > a nice visual compliment to understanding where your NakTalk > friends are emailing us world-wide. I'm curious if others have > similar feelings about furthering global comradery and understanding. > > Interested in supporting and furthering my idea? I will wait for > your replies, directly to me or via NakTalk. > > Best regards, > > K.J. Bleus > > --- > Help keep the blues alive! Give Peace A Chance!!! > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! > Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/03 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/03 From Wwtgraham at aol.com Sat Jan 18 02:17:08 2003 From: Wwtgraham at aol.com (Wwtgraham at aol.com) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 20:17:08 EST Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Message-ID: Hello I have a Dragon and it only plays in the Reverse direction. When I push play in the forward direction it goes though the motion and stop all so the fast forward doesn't work and the fast rewind works. Any help would be appreciated William -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rubidium7 at attbi.com Sat Jan 18 03:38:38 2003 From: rubidium7 at attbi.com (Jim Collins) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 18:38:38 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Need SR4A schematic Message-ID: <005f01c2be9a$b4a1aa50$0200a8c0@downstairs> Is there anyone of you who could help me with a partial schematic for a Nakamichi SR4A receiver ? Please email me directly if you do. Thanks, JC Hit by lightning and need a few power supply parts. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fidelman at telcel.net.ve Sat Jan 18 07:20:10 2003 From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 02:20:10 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) References: Message-ID: <006001c2beb9$b06dfaa0$486523c8@g8nsv> Hi fellows!!! I totally love the idea....my name is Isy Fidelman, I am 29 years old, in 6 months I'll be a dentist and I started to get into this when I was 9 years old and my father bought a 1000ZXL. After his death almost 7 years ago, I inherited the 1000ZXL and since then I added a LX-5 which I love, a CR-7, a Dragon and a 1000ZXL Limited. Used to work with my fahter at a pro audio store we used to have but I sold it 2 years ago when the economy in my country started to go backwards (thanks to president Chavez). After that I decided to go back to dental school which I had to leave to take care of my mom, sister and grandma (because of my dad's death). Next in my wish list is a 680 ZX an a Dolby Unit NR-200. Regards Isy ----- Original Message ----- From: Kent Merideth To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 5:13 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) Gra, When you say you hope the B215 "will provide you god service, too.", I noticed you used the lower case "g" instead of the upper case "G". Of course, this would NOT be a case of us highly proficient English speaking/writing people having our fingers not conveying what our brain is telling them. ;-P This repartee coming from one that has trouble with "of" and "off". Yes, the B215 is a great deck, especially if you are making a tape for someone not having a Nak deck. Kent >>> graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk 01/17/03 03:36PM >>> I'm ALMOST 48 (birthday next month, guys ... get buying those presents for me ...) and live near Liverpool in the UK. I started with cassette way back 29 years ago when I bought a Sony unit that packed it's own amplifier and speakers. I've still got it ... for old times sake, not to use. I upgraded to a Aiwa AD1800 (top of the range in the UK at the time I bought it) about 3 years later, which gave good service for a number of years and still doesn't sound too bad. At that time I also heard about Nakamichi ... but they were way out of my price range. A couple or so years ago, I picked up a brand new Pioneer CTS830S @ half price. I know some of you aren't impressed by the Pioneer decks but this one does an excellent job in Dolby S and is brilliant at bringing life back into very old recordings. It will also play and record on tapes as long as C120 without any problems ... can't say that about a Nak! However ... I got my first Nak', a BX-1, courtesy of Stephen almost two years ago. A few months later, fortune smiled on me, I got a small windfall and acquired a ZX-9 from a fellow in Holland. Oh, that ZX-9 .... who needs Dolby S with one of these??? Last year I also bought a RX-505 on e-Bay. I've never touched, let alone heard it because it went straight to Stephen for servicing and repair and is now on sale on e-Bay. (Bidding is currently at the ridiculously low price of $375 ... I hope it goes higher than that!) I have also recently bought a ReVox B215 but have not yet received it - it's in transit from Paris. Luckily, there is a ReVox service engineer only an hour's drive from here, so I am hoping this deck will offer me god service, too. My next purchase ... I might be tempted by a CR7, for the azimuth adjust' playback, as an alternative to the Pioneer but, more likely, I think I may go for a HD recorder with built-in CD/R ... Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > The BlueSwapper > Sent: 17 January 2003 03:41 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Cc: blueswapper at angelfire.com > Subject: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) > > > Dear NakTalk friends > > I'm pleased with the refreshing recent return to Nak related > topics, and I'm quite intrigued with the growing international > mix of the membership. Being a geographer and cartographer > during my early professional career (that was twenty years ago, > I'm now an information systems manager involved with geographic > information system & global positioning system technologies), I'd > like to gather information from NakTalkers to create a spatial > database of who you are, where you live, years you've collected > Nak gear, decks you possess, et cetera. With such a database of > information, I could then easily create a nice global map showing > where everyone resides in relation to each other. Selected > information could also be attributed to locations and names. And > from that a digital colored map image could then be created > shared between all participating NakTalkers. This might be a > fair amount of work for me, but let's see if there is interest > and usefulness for the membership. > > Haven't you occasionally wondered where someone who posted a > message lives in the world? Well, a global location map might be > a nice visual compliment to understanding where your NakTalk > friends are emailing us world-wide. I'm curious if others have > similar feelings about furthering global comradery and understanding. > > Interested in supporting and furthering my idea? I will wait for > your replies, directly to me or via NakTalk. > > Best regards, > > K.J. Bleus > > --- > Help keep the blues alive! Give Peace A Chance!!! > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! > Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/03 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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Name: not available URL: From blueswapper at angelfire.com Sat Jan 18 13:48:23 2003 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 04:48:23 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalkers (In a global sense) Message-ID: Several NakTalkers have responded to the global NakTalker's database & map idea, and I'm seeing enough support for the idea to feel that coordinating and building a database of info to create a global reference map is feasible, worthwhile, and will be useful to the NakTalk membership as we continue to communicate. Fear not, a caveat will be that privacy of individuals will remain absolutely secure, and personal details (email address, home address, phone number, etc) will not be stored or accessed through the database. I will begin to formulate a project plan in the near future. Anyone who wishes to participate should share their thoughts on NakTalk, and/or contact me directly. Let's see where this takes us..... Regards, K.J. Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper --------- Forwarded Message --------- DATE: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 19:40:55 From: "The BlueSwapper" To: naktalk at naks.com Cc:blueswapper at angelfire.com Dear NakTalk friends I'm pleased with the refreshing recent return to Nak related topics, and I'm quite intrigued with the growing international mix of the membership. Being a geographer and cartographer during my early professional career (that was twenty years ago, I'm now an information systems manager involved with geographic information system & global positioning system technologies), I'd like to gather information from NakTalkers to create a spatial database of who you are, where you live, years you've collected Nak gear, decks you possess, et cetera. With such a database of information, I could then easily create a nice global map showing where everyone resides in relation to each other. Selected information could also be attributed to locations and names. And from that a digital colored map image could then be created shared between all participating NakTalkers. This might be a fair amount of work for me, but let's see if there is interest and usefulness for the membership. Haven't you occasionally wondered where someone who posted a message lives in the world? Well, a global location map might be a nice visual compliment to understanding where your NakTalk friends are emailing us world-wide. I'm curious if others have similar feelings about furthering global comradery and understanding. Interested in supporting and furthering my idea? I will wait for your replies, directly to me or via NakTalk. Best regards, K.J. Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Give Peace A Chance!!! http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html --------- End Forwarded Message --------- ____________________________________________________________ Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus From blueswapper at angelfire.com Sat Jan 18 14:03:25 2003 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 05:03:25 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tape (Status - Jan 2003) Message-ID: I believe that Carlos is continuing work on the Marathon Tape music transposition to compact disc. From my last correspondence with Carlos, just before the holidays, my impression is that he has been exceptionally busy with professional work activities. Keep the faith about the Marathon Tape project, Carlos will get back to us when he has time to finish mastering the music segments and transposing that to digital format for duplication. When he is ready, plans for disc distribution and cost recovery will be communicated. We'll have closure on the Nak Marathon Tape project, in due time! Regards, K.J. Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper ____________________________________________________________ Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Jan 18 16:00:01 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 10:00:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalkers (In a global sense) References: Message-ID: <3E296BF1.31A7C21@rcn.com> I hope you have already saved the data posted here in the past few days. -- Ron The BlueSwapper wrote: > > Several NakTalkers have responded to the global NakTalker's database & map idea, and I'm seeing enough support for the idea to feel that coordinating and building a database of info to create a global reference map is feasible, worthwhile, and will be useful to the NakTalk membership as we continue to communicate. > > Fear not, a caveat will be that privacy of individuals will remain absolutely secure, and personal details (email address, home address, phone number, etc) will not be stored or accessed through the database. > > I will begin to formulate a project plan in the near future. Anyone who wishes to participate should share their thoughts on NakTalk, and/or contact me directly. Let's see where this takes us..... > > Regards, > > K.J. Bleus > > --- > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > > --------- Forwarded Message --------- > > DATE: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 19:40:55 > From: "The BlueSwapper" > To: naktalk at naks.com > Cc:blueswapper at angelfire.com > Dear NakTalk friends > > I'm pleased with the refreshing recent return to Nak related topics, and I'm quite intrigued with the growing international mix of the membership. Being a geographer and cartographer during my early professional career (that was twenty years ago, I'm now an information systems manager involved with geographic information system & global positioning system technologies), I'd like to gather information from NakTalkers to create a spatial database of who you are, where you live, years you've collected Nak gear, decks you possess, et cetera. With such a database of information, I could then easily create a nice global map showing where everyone resides in relation to each other. Selected information could also be attributed to locations and names. And from that a digital colored map image could then be created shared between all participating NakTalkers. This might be a fair amount of work for me, but let's see if there is interest and usefulness for the membership. > > Haven't you occasionally wondered where someone who posted a message lives in the world? Well, a global location map might be a nice visual compliment to understanding where your NakTalk friends are emailing us world-wide. I'm curious if others have similar feelings about furthering global comradery and understanding. > > Interested in supporting and furthering my idea? I will wait for your replies, directly to me or via NakTalk. > > Best regards, > > K.J. Bleus > > --- > Help keep the blues alive! Give Peace A Chance!!! > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html > > --------- End Forwarded Message --------- > > ____________________________________________________________ > Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! > Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Sat Jan 18 16:59:06 2003 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 10:59:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tape (Status - Jan 2003) References: Message-ID: <006801c2bf0a$880e9370$18106343@johnnyrotten> Wonderful Bleus, thank you. It's always good to hear that somebody's absence is because of work issues and not bad health or family problems. Ain't it great, Naktalk is alive and kicking. John T. ----- Original Message ----- From: "The BlueSwapper" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 8:03 AM Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tape (Status - Jan 2003) > I believe that Carlos is continuing work on the Marathon Tape music transposition to compact disc. From my last correspondence with Carlos, just before the holidays, my impression is that he has been exceptionally busy with professional work activities. > > Keep the faith about the Marathon Tape project, Carlos will get back to us when he has time to finish mastering the music segments and transposing that to digital format for duplication. When he is ready, plans for disc distribution and cost recovery will be communicated. > > We'll have closure on the Nak Marathon Tape project, in due time! > > Regards, > > K.J. Bleus > > --- > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! > Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > From jmtooley at ce.net Sat Jan 18 17:15:26 2003 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 11:15:26 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] John T References: <000401c2be83$a1dcf1c0$7beb193e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <008501c2bf0c$d000a090$18106343@johnnyrotten> Great Graham, you have people chasing it. I'm very tempted to do the same with my ZXL that Stephen has. Where is your B215, on a slow boat to China? How come so long to cross that small pond between Froggy land and you? My sister just bought a house in the Bordeaux area of France so is now back in Netley Abbey, on Southampton Water selling her house and saying goodbye to the UK. I'm looking at this beauty but need you to tell me to back off. I already have mint ReVox 760 and Yamaha CT-7000 Tuners!!! This along with a ReVox B780 Receiver at work http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3000587565 Cheers cock, John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 6:53 PM Subject: [naktalk] John T > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4784&item=3000416079& > rd=1 > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > John M. Tooley > > Sent: 17 January 2003 22:44 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) > > > > > > hypertext address please! > > > > John T. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Graham Nelson" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 3:23 PM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) > > > > > > > Yep, I've got a nice RX-505 on e-bay right now ... :o) > > > > > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/03 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Jan 18 17:28:07 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 23:28:07 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Need SR4A schematic References: <005f01c2be9a$b4a1aa50$0200a8c0@downstairs> Message-ID: <001c01c2bf0e$95a597a0$e7299bca@smarzuki> Hi Jim, do you need the power supply schematics ? Give me some time and i'll scan it for you. Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Collins To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 9:38 AM Subject: [naktalk] Need SR4A schematic Is there anyone of you who could help me with a partial schematic for a Nakamichi SR4A receiver ? Please email me directly if you do. Thanks, JC Hit by lightning and need a few power supply parts. From jmtooley at ce.net Sat Jan 18 17:45:41 2003 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 11:45:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) References: <001801c2be68$23a6b7c0$01e3193e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <00a601c2bf11$09951670$18106343@johnnyrotten> You get that ReVox B215 tuned, my two via Stephen are priceless, and you will be weaned away from your Nak. habits ;-) My Nak. 700 II, after Stephen breathed on it, sounded wonderful but left me wondering how long that sound would last. The Naks. are wonderful but I feel pushing their design to its limits with belts that must need attention at regular intervals, etc. etc. whereas the B215 has three motors doing everything and comes across as radio station proof just like their A77 & B77 reel machines. Sorry, Swiss engineering wins again over the Japanese effort. Now I'll go and hide before rocks start coming my way! ;-) John T. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 3:36 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) > I'm ALMOST 48 (birthday next month, guys ... get buying those presents for > me ...) and live near Liverpool in the UK. I started with cassette way back > 29 years ago when I bought a Sony unit that packed it's own amplifier and > speakers. I've still got it ... for old times sake, not to use. I upgraded > to a Aiwa AD1800 (top of the range in the UK at the time I bought it) about > 3 years later, which gave good service for a number of years and still > doesn't sound too bad. At that time I also heard about Nakamichi ... but > they were way out of my price range. > > A couple or so years ago, I picked up a brand new Pioneer CTS830S @ half > price. I know some of you aren't impressed by the Pioneer decks but this > one does an excellent job in Dolby S and is brilliant at bringing life back > into very old recordings. It will also play and record on tapes as long as > C120 without any problems ... can't say that about a Nak! However ... > > I got my first Nak', a BX-1, courtesy of Stephen almost two years ago. A > few months later, fortune smiled on me, I got a small windfall and acquired > a ZX-9 from a fellow in Holland. Oh, that ZX-9 .... who needs Dolby S with > one of these??? Last year I also bought a RX-505 on e-Bay. I've never > touched, let alone heard it because it went straight to Stephen for > servicing and repair and is now on sale on e-Bay. (Bidding is currently at > the ridiculously low price of $375 ... I hope it goes higher than that!) > > I have also recently bought a ReVox B215 but have not yet received it - it's > in transit from Paris. Luckily, there is a ReVox service engineer only an > hour's drive from here, so I am hoping this deck will offer me god service, > too. > > My next purchase ... I might be tempted by a CR7, for the azimuth adjust' > playback, as an alternative to the Pioneer but, more likely, I think I may > go for a HD recorder with built-in CD/R ... > > Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > The BlueSwapper > > Sent: 17 January 2003 03:41 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Cc: blueswapper at angelfire.com > > Subject: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) > > > > > > Dear NakTalk friends > > > > I'm pleased with the refreshing recent return to Nak related > > topics, and I'm quite intrigued with the growing international > > mix of the membership. Being a geographer and cartographer > > during my early professional career (that was twenty years ago, > > I'm now an information systems manager involved with geographic > > information system & global positioning system technologies), I'd > > like to gather information from NakTalkers to create a spatial > > database of who you are, where you live, years you've collected > > Nak gear, decks you possess, et cetera. With such a database of > > information, I could then easily create a nice global map showing > > where everyone resides in relation to each other. Selected > > information could also be attributed to locations and names. And > > from that a digital colored map image could then be created > > shared between all participating NakTalkers. This might be a > > fair amount of work for me, but let's see if there is interest > > and usefulness for the membership. > > > > Haven't you occasionally wondered where someone who posted a > > message lives in the world? Well, a global location map might be > > a nice visual compliment to understanding where your NakTalk > > friends are emailing us world-wide. I'm curious if others have > > similar feelings about furthering global comradery and understanding. > > > > Interested in supporting and furthering my idea? I will wait for > > your replies, directly to me or via NakTalk. > > > > Best regards, > > > > K.J. Bleus > > > > --- > > Help keep the blues alive! Give Peace A Chance!!! > > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html > > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! > > Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------========= > > > > --- > > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/03 > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/03 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > From jmtooley at ce.net Sat Jan 18 17:48:30 2003 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 11:48:30 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] NakTalkers References: Message-ID: <00ad01c2bf11$6e9716e0$18106343@johnnyrotten> I'm sure that Jeff does excellent work but hope you are sitting down when you get the total bill. John T. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Kent" To: Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 4:20 PM Subject: [naktalk] NakTalkers > Hi all, > > I live in the East Bay near San Francisco. I want to thank all of the more knowledgable souls who > contribute to the dialog. I have a Dragon and CR-7a, both fairly recently acquired due to the > failure of an old Teac model I had used for years (I had a Dual before that). I had always admired > Naks, and became quite jealous of my son who recieved one as a gift from a friend who had tired of > it.....yes really!.... a number of years ago. Deciding to go for the best, and hoping that the > auto-azimuth capabilities of the Dragon would make it more capable of playing my old tapes, I > gathered my nerve and went shopping on Ebay. The Dragon is in for an overhaul at ESL, and Jeff > there has been very gracious. When it returns, the CR7a will go in. > > Wish I could help with some advice, but I am just learning the ins and outs of Naks, and, as I said, > I am very gratefull to all of you for your open and free advice. > > R Kent > S.F. Bay Area > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > From jmtooley at ce.net Sat Jan 18 17:54:51 2003 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 11:54:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) References: <00f801c2be50$4eb1c710$f9106343@johnnyrotten> <01ec01c2be5a$84e35420$9e3cbbd4@raveneql1a1eu0> Message-ID: <00bd01c2bf12$51b4dfc0$18106343@johnnyrotten> Fahrenheit my friend, it's now 16 F., -9 C. John T. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maurits" To: Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John M. Tooley" > To: > Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 6:46 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) > > > > Mr. Bleus, > > > > Any word on the marathon cassette / CD compilation from Carlos? I hope > > everything is okay with him as I haven't seen him surface in ages. > > > > Carlos, where are you? You at least must be warmer there in PR than here > in > > mainland US. We are expecting 11 balmy degrees tonight! > > -/or + ? The Amsterdam-guy named Fahrenheit? I't's now + five degrees > Celcius over here. > The airbase nearby has a lot of activity. They bring support for F-16 's > to Afghanistan. The Germans and Dutch pilots do a lot air defence over > there. I think it's better to get Karadidz, Mladic and Osama ;-) > Sorry for the political issue. I don't do it again. > > > Maurits > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jan 18 18:58:27 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 17:58:27 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) In-Reply-To: <00a601c2bf11$09951670$18106343@johnnyrotten> Message-ID: <000f01c2bf1b$33b33540$916787d9@oemcomputer> John T said: > The Naks. are wonderful but I feel pushing their design to its > limits with belts that must need attention at regular intervals, etc. etc. > whereas the B215 has three motors doing everything and comes > across as radio > station proof just like their A77 & B77 reel machines. Sorry, Swiss > engineering wins again over the Japanese effort. Now I'll go and > hide before > rocks start coming my way! ;-) > > Ha! Ha! Well, as you know, I'm the one who raves about the old Lenco turntables and they're a Swiss as Cuckoo clocks! G > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/03 From jmtooley at ce.net Sat Jan 18 20:01:03 2003 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 14:01:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) References: <000f01c2bf1b$33b33540$916787d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <03ae01c2bf23$f6ce9710$18106343@johnnyrotten> Yes, good old Lenco Goldring TT's, and cartridges . I remember seeing one with their test tube looking record cleaner spinning an album at the Hi-Fi Show at the Russell Hotel, London many years ago. Also same day being very impressed listening to Lowther speakers. John T. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 12:58 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) > > > John T said: > > > The Naks. are wonderful but I feel pushing their design to its > > limits with belts that must need attention at regular intervals, etc. etc. > > whereas the B215 has three motors doing everything and comes > > across as radio > > station proof just like their A77 & B77 reel machines. Sorry, Swiss > > engineering wins again over the Japanese effort. Now I'll go and > > hide before > > rocks start coming my way! ;-) > > > > > Ha! Ha! Well, as you know, I'm the one who raves about the old Lenco > turntables and they're a Swiss as Cuckoo clocks! > > G > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/03 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > From jmtooley at ce.net Sat Jan 18 20:50:27 2003 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 14:50:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC Message-ID: <03db01c2bf2a$d9cd3070$18106343@johnnyrotten> All Microsoft Internet Explorer junkies. Please remind me how to get folders in alphabetical order in Favorites. John T. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From g_valkov at hotmail.com Sat Jan 18 20:50:36 2003 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 21:50:36 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] B215 Message-ID: I can only mention the following : B215, prod. 1985, heavy use, judging by the cosmetic condition of cassette well and buttons when I got it 2 years ago. Minor tune-up, a couple of new buttons and a new coverplate for the bottom front part of the cassette well (a doddle to get them from ReVox anywhere in the world, Germany in my case): result - terrific performance way beyond spec (20 Hz - 24 kHz on TDK MA at +1/-2 dB, etc.). My technician gave it back to me willing to bet his 582 that it would go for at least another 20 years without re-visiting him. Last remark : tapes made on the B215 sound better on CR7 (tuned and calibrated properly, albeit not "sanktified") than its own. I still have my Deck 1, though I don't bother recording on it. George ----Original Message Follows---- From: "John M. Tooley" Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: Subject: Re: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 11:45:41 -0500 You get that ReVox B215 tuned, my two via Stephen are priceless, and you will be weaned away from your Nak. habits ;-) My Nak. 700 II, after Stephen breathed on it, sounded wonderful but left me wondering how long that sound would last. The Naks. are wonderful but I feel pushing their design to its limits with belts that must need attention at regular intervals, etc. etc. whereas the B215 has three motors doing everything and comes across as radio station proof just like their A77 & B77 reel machines. Sorry, Swiss engineering wins again over the Japanese effort. Now I'll go and hide before rocks start coming my way! ;-) John T. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From jmtooley at ce.net Sat Jan 18 21:16:06 2003 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 15:16:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] B215 References: Message-ID: <03f001c2bf2e$6f0bf290$18106343@johnnyrotten> Confirmed, thank you. A wonderful tool! I bought 5 at one time from a high grade duplicator and had them all shipped to Stephen, but that's another story ;-) John T. ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Valkov" To: Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 2:50 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] B215 > I can only mention the following : B215, prod. 1985, heavy use, judging by > the cosmetic condition of cassette well and buttons when I got it 2 years > ago. Minor tune-up, a couple of new buttons and a new coverplate for the > bottom front part of the cassette well (a doddle to get them from ReVox > anywhere in the world, Germany in my case): result - terrific performance > way beyond spec (20 Hz - 24 kHz on TDK MA at +1/-2 dB, etc.). My technician > gave it back to me willing to bet his 582 that it would go for at least > another 20 years without re-visiting him. > > Last remark : tapes made on the B215 sound better on CR7 (tuned and > calibrated properly, albeit not "sanktified") than its own. > > I still have my Deck 1, though I don't bother recording on it. > > George > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "John M. Tooley" > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > To: > Subject: Re: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) > Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 11:45:41 -0500 > > You get that ReVox B215 tuned, my two via Stephen are priceless, and you > will be weaned away from your Nak. habits ;-) My Nak. 700 II, after Stephen > breathed on it, sounded wonderful but left me wondering how long that sound > would last. The Naks. are wonderful but I feel pushing their design to its > limits with belts that must need attention at regular intervals, etc. etc. > whereas the B215 has three motors doing everything and comes across as radio > station proof just like their A77 & B77 reel machines. Sorry, Swiss > engineering wins again over the Japanese effort. Now I'll go and hide before > rocks start coming my way! ;-) > > John T. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Jan 18 21:04:44 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 03:04:44 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] John T - off topic again References: <000401c2be83$a1dcf1c0$7beb193e@oemcomputer> <008501c2bf0c$d000a090$18106343@johnnyrotten> Message-ID: <000001c2bf31$6692e1c0$03299bca@smarzuki> Curiously, tuner info http://www.fmtunerinfo.com/shootouts.html ranked KT917 no 6, below one Luxman and Technics 9038 ... with Naim, MR78 and Fanfare ranked way down below !! Tandberg, Revox, Yamaha and Magnum also didn't fare well, below another Technics and 2 Pioneers. How could that be ? Very strange. John, how does your CT700 compared to the ReVox on sound quality ? Any other tuner that you have compared before ? Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: John M. Tooley To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 11:15 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] John T Great Graham, you have people chasing it. I'm very tempted to do the same with my ZXL that Stephen has. Where is your B215, on a slow boat to China? How come so long to cross that small pond between Froggy land and you? My sister just bought a house in the Bordeaux area of France so is now back in Netley Abbey, on Southampton Water selling her house and saying goodbye to the UK. I'm looking at this beauty but need you to tell me to back off. I already have mint ReVox 760 and Yamaha CT-7000 Tuners!!! This along with a ReVox B780 Receiver at work http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3000587565 Cheers cock, John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Jan 18 21:08:42 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 03:08:42 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: rubber reconditioner References: <005a01c2be41$072349a0$b51a9bca@smarzuki> <00ec01c2be4f$6c29d590$f9106343@johnnyrotten> <000d01c2be51$b06fa390$8075059a@desktop> Message-ID: <000101c2bf31$67fc83e0$03299bca@smarzuki> Thank you Roland and John for your suggestion and info. I have contacted several sites that show B&O belt but most of them were either already out of stock or prohibitively expensive. Anyway, I might be able to get one from Jeff. Pushing the OT further: any Yes / ELP fans on naktalk ? I'm enjoying old Yes 'tales of topographic ocean' record, and just bought Works Live cd ... but how come 'welcome back my friend' sounds terrible on both vinyl and cd ? Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Roland Alford To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 12:55 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: rubber reconditioner Salim, Check out these two sites. If they don't ship direct, I'm sure one of our boys in the good ol' US of A wouldn't mind helping out in ordering it and shipping it to you. I wouldn't waste time with brittle rubber if fresh stuff is available. Perhaps get two and seal one in plastic for the future since they are getting rare I understand. --Roland http://www.19art.net/music/lp/belts.htm http://www.turntablebelts.com/bang.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: John M. Tooley To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 9:39 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: rubber reconditioner I think I would email B&O in Denmark who hopefully could suggest some good soul in US who might still have some. John T. From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sat Jan 18 21:40:26 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 21:40:26 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] calibrating a 1000 Message-ID: <3E29BBBA.E840AAF8@xs4all.nl> Hi Everyone! Already some time ago i aquired a Nakamichi 1000, it crossed my path (like they all do...) and i couldn't resist to have one, since my 1000ZXL keeps giving me so many good tapes! But the deck seems to be in pretty good condition cosmetically and technically also, if you thinks of it's age, you could get exited ;-) Now i discovered that it didn't calibrate good and also recording is not working properly. So i opened the case and found it looked quite similar to the 1000ZXL and 700ZXE/L models also having the un/pluggable circuitboards.. a bit like pc's have these days.. So i took out all boards and conenctors, cleaned them and now i can do some recording again and also simple calibration.... BTW, i notice that on all the Naks i have, recording/calibrating is the part that fails most of the time, it seems to me that this is the weak point they all have. But now i want to go through some basic internal and external calibration, so adjusting the bias and levels and also 'tone level' on the back... The funny thing is that the 400hz doesn't measure eaqually on both channels in 'source' (also on the output).. This deck will not be one of my serious recording decks, but it would be nice if it could make a resonably good tape... So my question is if anyone knows what procedure to take and has done this also on this model, or has a copy of the service manual with the procedures to follow... Thanks! Wouter From timbarrett at cox.net Sat Jan 18 22:52:09 2003 From: timbarrett at cox.net (timbarrett at cox.net) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 16:52:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Yes / ELP In-Reply-To: <000101c2bf31$67fc83e0$03299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3E298639.26053.1E0FF4C@localhost> Hi Salim- Another ELP fan over here ... it's not just 'welcome back my friends', but many of their recordings seem to suffer from lack of quality, specially the early albums, which is unfortunate. Are you familiar with the German group Triumvirate? They were contemporary with ELP. Look for the 'Illusions', 'old loves', or 'spartacus' albums. Cheers, Tim B On 19 Jan 2003 at 3:08, Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Thank you Roland and John for your suggestion and info. I have > contacted several sites that show B&O belt but most of them were > either already out of stock or prohibitively expensive. Anyway, I > might be able to get one from Jeff. > > Pushing the OT further: any Yes / ELP fans on naktalk ? I'm enjoying > old Yes 'tales of topographic ocean' record, and just bought Works > Live cd ... but how come 'welcome back my friend' sounds terrible on > both vinyl and cd ? > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Roland Alford > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 12:55 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: rubber reconditioner > > > Salim, > > Check out these two sites. If they don't ship direct, I'm sure one of > our boys in the good ol' US of A wouldn't mind helping out in ordering > it and shipping it to you. > > I wouldn't waste time with brittle rubber if fresh stuff is available. > > Perhaps get two and seal one in plastic for the future since they are > getting rare I understand. > > --Roland > > http://www.19art.net/music/lp/belts.htm > > http://www.turntablebelts.com/bang.htm > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John M. Tooley > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 9:39 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: rubber reconditioner > > > I think I would email B&O in Denmark who hopefully could suggest some > good soul in US who might still have some. > > John T. > > > ========-------------------------------------------------------------- > ----========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========-------------------------------------------------------------- > ----========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Jan 18 23:04:29 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 17:04:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC References: <03db01c2bf2a$d9cd3070$18106343@johnnyrotten> Message-ID: <3E29CF6D.FC4DBE87@rcn.com> > All Microsoft Internet Explorer junkies. Please remind me how to get folders in alphabetical order > in Favorites. > > John T. Actually, I use Netscape most of the time. I don't think Explorer will sort favorites for you. You can do it manually, easily enough -- just open the favorites window and drag any of them to wherever you want it. This also works for moving them between folders. -- Ron From blueswapper at angelfire.com Sat Jan 18 23:17:50 2003 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 14:17:50 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) Message-ID: Ron, others..... No prob, I've got copies of all the recent Nak Digests. In fact, I've started copying the messages with relevant info into one doc file as a preliminary preparation. Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Ron wrote: I hope you have already saved the data posted here in the past few days. -- Ron The BlueSwapper wrote: > > Several NakTalkers have responded to the global NakTalker's database & map idea, and I'm seeing enough support for the idea to feel that coordinating and building a database of info to create a global reference map is feasible, worthwhile, and will be useful to the NakTalk membership as we continue to communicate. > > Fear not, a caveat will be that privacy of individuals will remain absolutely secure, and personal details (email address, home address, phone number, etc) will not be stored or accessed through the database. > > I will begin to formulate a project plan in the near future. Anyone who wishes to participate should share their thoughts on NakTalk, and/or contact me directly. Let's see where this takes us..... > > Regards, > > K.J. Bleus > > --- > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > > --------- Forwarded Message --------- > ____________________________________________________________ Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus From roleo at telus.net Sat Jan 18 23:20:39 2003 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 14:20:39 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC References: <03db01c2bf2a$d9cd3070$18106343@johnnyrotten> <3E29CF6D.FC4DBE87@rcn.com> Message-ID: <004701c2bf3f$d52a28b0$8075059a@desktop> Yup, it does do it automatically, do this: At the top of your IE screen LEFT click on FAVORITES As the menu pops down, point you mouse at one of your favorite sites and RIGHT CLICK Your menu choices will include SORT BY NAME LEFT CLICK on that and your done. --Roland (aka IE Junkie) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 2:04 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC > > > All Microsoft Internet Explorer junkies. Please remind me how to get folders in alphabetical order > in Favorites. > > > > John T. > > Actually, I use Netscape most of the time. > > I don't think Explorer will sort favorites for you. You can do it > manually, easily enough -- just open the favorites window and drag > any of them to wherever you want it. This also works for moving > them between folders. > > -- Ron > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > From blueswapper at angelfire.com Sat Jan 18 23:25:10 2003 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 14:25:10 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalkers (In a global sense) Message-ID: Isy! Great to have you joining in on the new project!!! So, what are your impressions of the Coltrane & Davis music I recorded for you over the holidays? Does the cassette playback crisply in your beloved Nak decks?? Which deck brings the best audio sound reproduction??? I'll be in-touch directly soon, further discussion on Nak peripheral gear. Best regards, Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Isy Fidelman wrote: Hi fellows!!! I totally love the idea....my name is Isy Fidelman, I am 29 years old, in 6 months I'll be a dentist and I started to get into this when I was 9 years old and my father bought a 1000ZXL. After his death almost 7 years ago, I inherited the 1000ZXL and since then I added a LX-5 which I love, a CR-7, a Dragon and a 1000ZXL Limited. Used to work with my fahter at a pro audio store we used to have but I sold it 2 years ago when the economy in my country started to go backwards (thanks to president Chavez). After that I decided to go back to dental school which I had to leave to take care of my mom, sister and grandma (because of my dad's death). Next in my wish list is a 680 ZX an a Dolby Unit NR-200. Regards Isy ____________________________________________________________ Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus From jmtooley at ce.net Sat Jan 18 23:41:47 2003 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 17:41:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC References: <03db01c2bf2a$d9cd3070$18106343@johnnyrotten> <3E29CF6D.FC4DBE87@rcn.com> <004701c2bf3f$d52a28b0$8075059a@desktop> Message-ID: <041601c2bf42$c8b33650$18106343@johnnyrotten> I don't see ''SORT BY NAME'' using Windows XP. John T. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roland Alford" To: Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 5:20 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC > Yup, it does do it automatically, do this: > > At the top of your IE screen LEFT click on FAVORITES > > As the menu pops down, point you mouse at one of your favorite sites and > RIGHT CLICK > > Your menu choices will include SORT BY NAME > > LEFT CLICK on that and your done. > > --Roland (aka IE Junkie) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 2:04 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC > > > > > > > All Microsoft Internet Explorer junkies. Please remind me how to get > folders in alphabetical order > in Favorites. > > > > > > John T. > > > > Actually, I use Netscape most of the time. > > > > I don't think Explorer will sort favorites for you. You can do it > > manually, easily enough -- just open the favorites window and drag > > any of them to wherever you want it. This also works for moving > > them between folders. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > From roleo at telus.net Sat Jan 18 23:50:39 2003 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 14:50:39 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC References: <03db01c2bf2a$d9cd3070$18106343@johnnyrotten> <3E29CF6D.FC4DBE87@rcn.com> <004701c2bf3f$d52a28b0$8075059a@desktop> <041601c2bf42$c8b33650$18106343@johnnyrotten> Message-ID: <005701c2bf44$060c0e90$8075059a@desktop> I'm using XP too (professional). It should be right above properties... ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Tooley" To: Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC > I don't see ''SORT BY NAME'' using Windows XP. > > John T. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roland Alford" > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 5:20 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC > > > > Yup, it does do it automatically, do this: > > > > At the top of your IE screen LEFT click on FAVORITES > > > > As the menu pops down, point you mouse at one of your favorite sites and > > RIGHT CLICK > > > > Your menu choices will include SORT BY NAME > > > > LEFT CLICK on that and your done. > > > > --Roland (aka IE Junkie) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 2:04 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC > > > > > > > > > > > All Microsoft Internet Explorer junkies. Please remind me how to get > > folders in alphabetical order > in Favorites. > > > > > > > > John T. > > > > > > Actually, I use Netscape most of the time. > > > > > > I don't think Explorer will sort favorites for you. You can do it > > > manually, easily enough -- just open the favorites window and drag > > > any of them to wherever you want it. This also works for moving > > > them between folders. > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > From hisself at ol-jim.com Sun Jan 19 00:21:42 2003 From: hisself at ol-jim.com (Ol' Jim, hisself) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 18:21:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) In-Reply-To: <001501c2be66$4c30bf80$01e3193e@oemcomputer> References: <3E27DDEF.26615.1D4AB52A@localhost> Message-ID: <3E299B36.12028.5FF4E48@localhost> > They wouldn't dare steal from you, Jim - you're ARMED!! :o) . . . and dangerous!!! Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com An armed society is a polite society. From fidelman at telcel.net.ve Sun Jan 19 00:24:43 2003 From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 19:24:43 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalkers (In a global sense) References: Message-ID: <002c01c2bf48$cbf6e0e0$d66723c8@g8nsv> It is awesome!!!! I have heard it many times in different Naks to see if there is any difference. I love the way it sounds on my Dragon and my LX-5....however the sound on the CR-7 is kind of "dark"; maybe it's time to check the CR-7....I palyed other tapes and they all sounded "dark" (to much low frequency)... But the selection you made is the one I would have made.... Blue Train rocks!!!! Thanks Mr. Bleus!!!! By the way...how is the MX-100??? Regards Isy ----- Original Message ----- From: "The BlueSwapper" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 6:25 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalkers (In a global sense) > Isy! Great to have you joining in on the new project!!! > > So, what are your impressions of the Coltrane & Davis music I recorded for you over the holidays? Does the cassette playback crisply in your beloved Nak decks?? Which deck brings the best audio sound reproduction??? I'll be in-touch directly soon, further discussion on Nak peripheral gear. > > Best regards, > > Bleus > > --- > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > Isy Fidelman wrote: > > Hi fellows!!! > I totally love the idea....my name is Isy Fidelman, I am 29 years old, in 6 months I'll be a dentist and I started to get into this when I was 9 years old and my father bought a 1000ZXL. > After his death almost 7 years ago, I inherited the 1000ZXL and since then I added a LX-5 which I love, a CR-7, a Dragon and a 1000ZXL Limited. > Used to work with my fahter at a pro audio store we used to have but I sold it 2 years ago when the economy in my country started to go backwards (thanks to president Chavez). After that I decided to go back to dental school which I had to leave to take care of my mom, sister and grandma (because of my dad's death). > Next in my wish list is a 680 ZX an a Dolby Unit NR-200. > Regards > > Isy > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! > Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Jan 19 00:43:51 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 23:43:51 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] B215 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000801c2bf4b$7464a300$e0b0193e@oemcomputer> George said: > > Last remark : tapes made on the B215 sound better on CR7 (tuned and > calibrated properly, albeit not "sanktified") than its own. > > Interesting. Carlos always said recordings made on his B215 sounded better when replayed on his Dragon. It'll be interesting to find out (as I will soon) if they also sound better on a ZX-9! Gra' > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/03 From jmtooley at ce.net Sun Jan 19 01:26:53 2003 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 19:26:53 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC References: <03db01c2bf2a$d9cd3070$18106343@johnnyrotten> <3E29CF6D.FC4DBE87@rcn.com> <004701c2bf3f$d52a28b0$8075059a@desktop> <041601c2bf42$c8b33650$18106343@johnnyrotten> <005701c2bf44$060c0e90$8075059a@desktop> Message-ID: <043601c2bf51$7c2c4f10$18106343@johnnyrotten> I just have Rename and Delete above Properties. Me also, XP Pro and SP1. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roland Alford" To: Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 5:50 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC > I'm using XP too (professional). It should be right above properties... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John M. Tooley" > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 2:41 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC > > > > I don't see ''SORT BY NAME'' using Windows XP. > > > > John T. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Roland Alford" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 5:20 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC > > > > > > > Yup, it does do it automatically, do this: > > > > > > At the top of your IE screen LEFT click on FAVORITES > > > > > > As the menu pops down, point you mouse at one of your favorite sites and > > > RIGHT CLICK > > > > > > Your menu choices will include SORT BY NAME > > > > > > LEFT CLICK on that and your done. > > > > > > --Roland (aka IE Junkie) > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Ron" > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 2:04 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All Microsoft Internet Explorer junkies. Please remind me how to get > > > folders in alphabetical order > in Favorites. > > > > > > > > > > John T. > > > > > > > > Actually, I use Netscape most of the time. > > > > > > > > I don't think Explorer will sort favorites for you. You can do it > > > > manually, easily enough -- just open the favorites window and drag > > > > any of them to wherever you want it. This also works for moving > > > > them between folders. > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > To maintain your account please go here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > From jmtooley at ce.net Sun Jan 19 01:30:13 2003 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 19:30:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC References: <03db01c2bf2a$d9cd3070$18106343@johnnyrotten> <3E29CF6D.FC4DBE87@rcn.com> <004701c2bf3f$d52a28b0$8075059a@desktop> <041601c2bf42$c8b33650$18106343@johnnyrotten> <005701c2bf44$060c0e90$8075059a@desktop> Message-ID: <043a01c2bf51$ee967850$18106343@johnnyrotten> Dummy me! I was right clicking on Favorites Icon not at top of IE as you told me. Works great, many thanks. John T. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roland Alford" To: Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 5:50 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC > I'm using XP too (professional). It should be right above properties... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John M. Tooley" > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 2:41 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC > > > > I don't see ''SORT BY NAME'' using Windows XP. > > > > John T. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Roland Alford" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 5:20 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC > > > > > > > Yup, it does do it automatically, do this: > > > > > > At the top of your IE screen LEFT click on FAVORITES > > > > > > As the menu pops down, point you mouse at one of your favorite sites and > > > RIGHT CLICK > > > > > > Your menu choices will include SORT BY NAME > > > > > > LEFT CLICK on that and your done. > > > > > > --Roland (aka IE Junkie) > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Ron" > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 2:04 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All Microsoft Internet Explorer junkies. Please remind me how to get > > > folders in alphabetical order > in Favorites. > > > > > > > > > > John T. > > > > > > > > Actually, I use Netscape most of the time. > > > > > > > > I don't think Explorer will sort favorites for you. You can do it > > > > manually, easily enough -- just open the favorites window and drag > > > > any of them to wherever you want it. This also works for moving > > > > them between folders. > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > To maintain your account please go here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > From roleo at telus.net Sun Jan 19 05:11:04 2003 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 20:11:04 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) References: Message-ID: <001901c2bf70$c9103480$8075059a@desktop> Time to add mine... Roland Alford - West Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Cassette Tape Decks: Nakamichi Dragon; Nakamichi 680ZX; Nakamichi 550; SONY WM-D3 Pro Walkman. Reel to Reel: TEAC X-2000Rbl; Revox B-77 II. Other Recorder: TASCAM CDRW-2000 Pro CD Recorder Been an audio enthusiast since the first time I heard a real stereo in 1972 - age 10. (LP played was Audio Fidelity's Stereo Spectacular Demonstration & Sound Effects LP [DFS 7777]; Still own a good copy of the LP.) Got my first stereo in 1977 - began annoying my neighbors soon after... Bought my first Nakamichi (BX-100) in 1985 and was blown away by the difference over other decks. (BX-100 still going strong now belongs to a friend.) Never looked back! ----- Original Message ----- From: "The BlueSwapper" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 2:17 PM Subject: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) > Ron, others..... > > No prob, I've got copies of all the recent Nak Digests. In fact, I've started copying the messages with relevant info into one doc file as a preliminary preparation. > > Bleus > > --- > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > Ron wrote: > I hope you have already saved the data posted here in the > past few days. > > -- Ron > > > The BlueSwapper wrote: > > > > Several NakTalkers have responded to the global NakTalker's database > & map idea, and I'm seeing enough support for the idea to feel that > coordinating and building a database of info to create a global > reference map is feasible, worthwhile, and will be useful to the > NakTalk membership as we continue to communicate. > > > > Fear not, a caveat will be that privacy of individuals will remain > absolutely secure, and personal details (email address, home address, > phone number, etc) will not be stored or accessed through the database. > > > > I will begin to formulate a project plan in the near future. > Anyone who wishes to participate should share their thoughts on > NakTalk, and/or contact me directly. Let's see where this takes us..... > > > > Regards, > > > > K.J. Bleus > > > > --- > > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > > > > --------- Forwarded Message --------- > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! > Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Jan 19 11:01:17 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 10:01:17 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC In-Reply-To: <043a01c2bf51$ee967850$18106343@johnnyrotten> Message-ID: <001401c2bfa1$b5d0e000$e0b0193e@oemcomputer> You're in good company, John - I was doing the same! Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > John M. Tooley > Sent: 19 January 2003 00:30 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC > > > Dummy me! I was right clicking on Favorites Icon not at top of IE as you > told me. Works great, many thanks. > > John T. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roland Alford" > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 5:50 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC > > > > I'm using XP too (professional). It should be right above properties... > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John M. Tooley" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 2:41 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC > > > > > > > I don't see ''SORT BY NAME'' using Windows XP. > > > > > > John T. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Roland Alford" > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 5:20 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC > > > > > > > > > > Yup, it does do it automatically, do this: > > > > > > > > At the top of your IE screen LEFT click on FAVORITES > > > > > > > > As the menu pops down, point you mouse at one of your favorite sites > and > > > > RIGHT CLICK > > > > > > > > Your menu choices will include SORT BY NAME > > > > > > > > LEFT CLICK on that and your done. > > > > > > > > --Roland (aka IE Junkie) > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Ron" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 2:04 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All Microsoft Internet Explorer junkies. Please remind me how to > get > > > > folders in alphabetical order > in Favorites. > > > > > > > > > > > > John T. > > > > > > > > > > Actually, I use Netscape most of the time. > > > > > > > > > > I don't think Explorer will sort favorites for you. You can do it > > > > > manually, easily enough -- just open the favorites window and drag > > > > > any of them to wherever you want it. This also works for moving > > > > > them between folders. > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------== > > > > ======= > > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > > To maintain your account please go here: > > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------== > > > ======= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > To maintain your account please go here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------== > > ======= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------== > ======= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------== > ======= > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/03 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/03 From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Wed Jan 15 23:11:59 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 09:11:59 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth-tuning Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201E53@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Guess what Salim, tweeking the height screw was the first thing I did on my BX300, I thought the screw was for alignment (silly me!) With the head height and azimuth alligned the RX 505 sounds brilliant (as do all other naks). István you are a very lucky man to have a wife that brought you a RX505, if my wife did that I'd quickly say to her "imposter! Who are you? My real wife wouldn't think of bringing such a device to me!" Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Salim Marzuki [mailto:smarzuki at indosat.net.id] Sent: Thursday, 16 January 2003 3:18 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Azimuth-tuning Hi István, You're lucky to have Nak tech center close to you. What country are you located ? Regarding those plastic screws ... can you believe that when i brought home my brand new CR4 some years ago, the first thing i did was "tweak" the height screw ??? Ouch !! I agree RX flipping mechanism is a real beauty to watch. Better get your 505 to that Nak shop to get the heads aligned & probably belts replaced. I imagine the 120us eq switch will be difficult to repair but should be easy to replace. Good luck ! Salim SM (Jakarta, Indonesia) ----- Original Message ----- From: Sándor István To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 9:39 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Azimuth-tuning Hello Salim, I too, learned that lesson that time I bought the deck (about 4 years ago)... Since then I made it tuned at a specialized service-shop, and since then of course I do not made any alignment with those large white plastic screws. Yesterday my wife brought me an RX505, and I found that its head is possibly misaligned. The ZX7 sounds better regerdless of original (pre-recorded) casette or not. I will have to bring it to the above-mentioned shop, and make it tuned. It is still like a toy for a child, I was really amazed of how fast it flips the cassette. I nearly laughed, it was so funny for me. Best regards, István ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Wed Jan 15 23:15:17 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 09:15:17 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth-tuning Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201E54@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> István, the eq button can be replaced because fixing it would be difficult and not worth it. Are you good at soldering? You may desolder the button out of the deck (should not be too difficult to get at) and bring it to your local electronics store and have them match it up. Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Sándor István [mailto:sandorpistike at hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 16 January 2003 1:48 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Azimuth-tuning Hello Kannan, unfortunately (?) I do not have neither a Dragon nor a CR7... I downloaded some brochures from the support-site, and it is really interesting ro read them through. I even found some functions of the ZX7 I did not heard about before. (Of course, these functions are not used often, but at least I know them already.) The just-acquied RX505 has a problem: the EQ120/70 button does not remains locked, it always get back to 120micros. Do you know if it is repairable, or shall I replace the switch? Best regards, and thank you all for the peace-minded conversation. István >From: kannan_s at vsnl.com >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Azimuth-tuning >Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 00:57:29 +0530 (IST) > >Hi István >many here in this forum would answer any simple basic question( I feel no >question is a stupid question as we learnt our lessons in school asking >questions as we do now as a professional)that you may have. So feel free to >ask as much as you desire and somebody here would definitely answer. >Coming to nak tape issue > >The tapes as such has no problems as they are long length flat rectangular >tapes meeting Standard cassette standard tolerences on width etc. However >Nak handling of the tape is special eliminating effects like excess >friction during tape movement over heads or tape skewing. > > Skewing is a result of Tape guide path on the two small ( imperfect) >rollars on bottom extremes of a cssette shell as well as shell casing. The >small guides on the tape path inside the shell also can cause skewing. > >The skewing can result in Play /record Azimuth problems (the tape can move >slightly off perpendicular to the Head gap). > >Dual capstan Nak eliminates thess rollar/ Shell related skewing as well as >pressure pad related scrape flutter.No wonder your ZX7 does not show >difference in record / replay performance on many tapes. > > I generally avoid using poor quality tapes ( India produced large number >of such tapes )on my Nak to reduce oxide flakedeposits on heads more than >these azimuth related issues. > >I would recommend you to download Nak brochures on Naks.com ftp server and >go through them. If you own Dragon or CR7 you would also find out that >Play azimuth adjsutment can make listening to tapes made on other machines >a real pleasure! >Kannan >sandorpistike at hotmail.com wrote >Hello Kannan, >thank you very much for your comprehensive answer. > >As far as I understood there is no way to prepare any deck to all possible >cases, because either the playback-head, either the record-head is fixed. > >As far as I know there are several type of cassettes, and often the tape >itself has some azimuth-fault (is it stupid?). >It means that you cannot play perfectly any azimuth-faulty tape even on a >well-aligned but fixed playback-head, or you cannot make any perfect record >on a well-aligned, but fixed record-head, if the tape itself has an >azimuth-error. > >(Sorry for the stupid questions, but nowadays I cannot find any valuable >literature about this sort of sound-reproduction.) > >If there are really tapes which have azimuth-error, can any of yours >recommend a good tape? Do you always use similar (of the same type) tapes, >or do you use different ones, depending on what you can buy? > >Of course, all these questions are just thinking about methods. I tried >many >sort of tapes with my ZX7, and I hardly found any I could not make a good >record on to. (Is it possible to understand? Please correct my English if >you find any big errors... I must learn.) >This is the most impressive of these machines: you can hardly hear the >difference between different sort of tapes if the calibration process is >completed well. This is the reason for having a Nak instead of having any >newer, but poorer (sometimes even more expensive) commerce-unit. > >Thank you for your answer! >Best regards, >István > > > > > > > >From: kannan_s at vsnl.com > >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Azimuth-tuning > >Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 22:09:47 +0530 (IST) > > > >Hi István > >Generally the position ( including Azimuth/ Zenith) of the two part >record > >and replay heads should be fixed as per Cassette Standard. A very small > >Azimuth adjustment of one of the head is possible in Nak as the other can > >be refernced to adjust the mobile head to correct position during record > >calibration process. > > > >Say record head Azimuth alone is adjusted by the motor in 68X series >Decks > >to get the Phase cherence between the channels. And this aligns the >record > >head in refernce to a fixed play head. > >Incase of Dragon; the playback Head azimuth is adjsuted ( while record >head > >position is fixed - pre-aligned at Factory as per service manual) and >same > >is the case with CR7 during record calibration process. > > > >I feel the later playback Azimuth adjustment facility has an additional > >benefit of adjustment for cassettes recorded on another deck to play > >without loss of High frequency in these later decks. > > > >Here we are talking of very small adjsutment of Azimuth alone while the > >Zenith of these heads require correct positioning. So you need >calibrating > >gauges and tapes ( of great cost) to position the heads on the correct > >location! > > > >The adjustment( record calibration)of Azimuth is very small and that > >actually corrects any change in position of the heads if it had moved as > >Nak head position can move on their base with only a plastic screw >holding > >them on to the head block! > > Generally once calibrated the position does not cahnge over time unless > >the deck is transported or head is physically moved. > >Kannan > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM: Try the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Sat Jan 18 07:08:21 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 17:08:21 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201E63@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> SAY WHAT!!! You got a Dragon for FREE!!! Who is this wealthy family you know, I need to get in touch with them and hopefully they will do the same for me :) That's fantastic Alex, well done. A similar thing happened to me, a family I know gave me their Akai reel to reel, but somehow I feel it's not the same as what you received. Well here's my story. I live in Wantirna Victoria, in Australia (yes that's pretty much the butt end of the world). I've loved hifi gear since day one of my life. I was first introduced to Nakamichi gear from my friends brother. He had (and still does) a high end stereo setup consisting of Luxman amp/turntable, phase linear preamp and power amp, monster JBL speakers, and a Nakamichi 670ZX together with a Highcom II noise reduction unit. I fell in love with the tape deck immediately (just loved the blue lamps and the analog meters). I was stunned with the sound quality and the silent mechanism. Some years later (1989) he knew of a friend that was selling a BX300 for $300 Aus. I snapped it up a quickly as I could, he offered me to pay him bit by bit because I was in College at the time and did not have a lot of money. Sure I was not as attractive as the 670 but it was a NAK! I still own that unit, has not skipped a beat. Later I came across a 480 in a second hand audio shop for only $100. It needed a little work (replacement of lamps, clean here and there), but it sounded good for a two head unit. I bought it for two reasons, one - I love the analog meters, and two, I wanted to collect naks. Some time later I was offered a ZX9 for only $200 Aus. The cosmetics were 8 out of 10, and it had two faults. The first fault was a collapsed erase bias oscillator circuit, and the seconds was the left channel disappeared when recording with Dolby C. These faults were due to those bloody ORANGE CAPS! The faults have been repaired by me but thanks to the great Stephen Sank for the directions I needed. Later on another nak was offered to me, a 482Z. This unit was in bad shape, could not record, the mechanics were not good either. A trip to Mr Sank concluded that this poor little Nakkie had to be put down, but Mr Sank offered me a RX505 at a very decent price with a voltage conversion to 220/240 volts (God bless you Stephen :)) So there you have it my collection of naks from the bx300, zx9, 480 and finally the rx505. I hope I have not bored you to death. Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Alex Cagann [mailto:alex at autoconsortium.com] Sent: Saturday, 18 January 2003 2:32 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) > > > I'd like to gather information from > > > NakTalkers to create a spatial database of who you are, where you > > > live, years you've collected Nak gear, decks you possess, et cetera. Hello Ol Joe. I live in Indianapolis, Indiana. Have lived here forever. I am 30 years old and have had a nak deck since I was 15. I was actually given a Nakamichi Dragon when I was 15. No, my parents didn't buy me one, they had neither the money nor the inclination for audio gear. I always loved audio gear but couldn't afford much at all. My friend's family was ultra wealthy. They had 3 dragons, a ton of Mac stuff, a ton of Luxman stuff, etc, etc. I got to know his parents quite well and often mentioned how much I loved their Nakamichi Dragons. They told me to take one! Damn...I'm not sure if that wasn't the happiest day of my life....being only 15 and getting a Dragon for free! I still have the deck and it has worked great for all these years. Stephen repaired it a couple years ago, some azimuth error and capstan motor tuning was needed. A year ago I bought an RX505 to compliment the Dragon. I got it on ebay for $350 and it looks like it was just pulled out of the box. The two magnificent Nak's completely dominate my audio system rack...damn Nak equipment is beautiful. I have no other Nakamichi equipment but I have talked my dad into putting a budget system together from ebay. I think he should opt for the LX5 deck and an OMS disc player. Also, Stephen, I think we are going to get one of your turntables....please email me about that as I lost your info. That's my story. I am enjoying reading the info on everyone...good idea Joe! I'm also very grateful for this list (thank you Wouter) because my friends/acquaintances/girlfriend could care less about discussing tape decks :-) Alex Cagann ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Sat Jan 18 07:16:41 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 17:16:41 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201E64@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hey Gra', what would you like for your birthday ? ;) -----Original Message----- From: Graham Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, 18 January 2003 7:37 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) I'm ALMOST 48 (birthday next month, guys ... get buying those presents for me ...) and live near Liverpool in the UK. I started with cassette way back 29 years ago when I bought a Sony unit that packed it's own amplifier and speakers. I've still got it ... for old times sake, not to use. I upgraded to a Aiwa AD1800 (top of the range in the UK at the time I bought it) about 3 years later, which gave good service for a number of years and still doesn't sound too bad. At that time I also heard about Nakamichi ... but they were way out of my price range. A couple or so years ago, I picked up a brand new Pioneer CTS830S @ half price. I know some of you aren't impressed by the Pioneer decks but this one does an excellent job in Dolby S and is brilliant at bringing life back into very old recordings. It will also play and record on tapes as long as C120 without any problems ... can't say that about a Nak! However ... I got my first Nak', a BX-1, courtesy of Stephen almost two years ago. A few months later, fortune smiled on me, I got a small windfall and acquired a ZX-9 from a fellow in Holland. Oh, that ZX-9 .... who needs Dolby S with one of these??? Last year I also bought a RX-505 on e-Bay. I've never touched, let alone heard it because it went straight to Stephen for servicing and repair and is now on sale on e-Bay. (Bidding is currently at the ridiculously low price of $375 ... I hope it goes higher than that!) I have also recently bought a ReVox B215 but have not yet received it - it's in transit from Paris. Luckily, there is a ReVox service engineer only an hour's drive from here, so I am hoping this deck will offer me god service, too. My next purchase ... I might be tempted by a CR7, for the azimuth adjust' playback, as an alternative to the Pioneer but, more likely, I think I may go for a HD recorder with built-in CD/R ... Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > The BlueSwapper > Sent: 17 January 2003 03:41 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Cc: blueswapper at angelfire.com > Subject: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) > > > Dear NakTalk friends > > I'm pleased with the refreshing recent return to Nak related > topics, and I'm quite intrigued with the growing international > mix of the membership. Being a geographer and cartographer > during my early professional career (that was twenty years ago, > I'm now an information systems manager involved with geographic > information system & global positioning system technologies), I'd > like to gather information from NakTalkers to create a spatial > database of who you are, where you live, years you've collected > Nak gear, decks you possess, et cetera. With such a database of > information, I could then easily create a nice global map showing > where everyone resides in relation to each other. Selected > information could also be attributed to locations and names. And > from that a digital colored map image could then be created > shared between all participating NakTalkers. This might be a > fair amount of work for me, but let's see if there is interest > and usefulness for the membership. > > Haven't you occasionally wondered where someone who posted a > message lives in the world? Well, a global location map might be > a nice visual compliment to understanding where your NakTalk > friends are emailing us world-wide. I'm curious if others have > similar feelings about furthering global comradery and understanding. > > Interested in supporting and furthering my idea? I will wait for > your replies, directly to me or via NakTalk. > > Best regards, > > K.J. Bleus > > --- > Help keep the blues alive! Give Peace A Chance!!! > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! > Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/03 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/03 ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Sun Jan 19 10:59:10 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 20:59:10 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201E65@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Roland. How is the X-2000rbl? I own a X-1000Rbl, a A-3340s and a X700R. All still going strong. Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Roland Alford [mailto:roleo at telus.net] Sent: Sunday, 19 January 2003 3:11 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) Time to add mine... Roland Alford - West Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Cassette Tape Decks: Nakamichi Dragon; Nakamichi 680ZX; Nakamichi 550; SONY WM-D3 Pro Walkman. Reel to Reel: TEAC X-2000Rbl; Revox B-77 II. Other Recorder: TASCAM CDRW-2000 Pro CD Recorder Been an audio enthusiast since the first time I heard a real stereo in 1972 - age 10. (LP played was Audio Fidelity's Stereo Spectacular Demonstration & Sound Effects LP [DFS 7777]; Still own a good copy of the LP.) Got my first stereo in 1977 - began annoying my neighbors soon after... Bought my first Nakamichi (BX-100) in 1985 and was blown away by the difference over other decks. (BX-100 still going strong now belongs to a friend.) Never looked back! ----- Original Message ----- From: "The BlueSwapper" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 2:17 PM Subject: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) > Ron, others..... > > No prob, I've got copies of all the recent Nak Digests. In fact, I've started copying the messages with relevant info into one doc file as a preliminary preparation. > > Bleus > > --- > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > Ron wrote: > I hope you have already saved the data posted here in the > past few days. > > -- Ron > > > The BlueSwapper wrote: > > > > Several NakTalkers have responded to the global NakTalker's database > & map idea, and I'm seeing enough support for the idea to feel that > coordinating and building a database of info to create a global > reference map is feasible, worthwhile, and will be useful to the > NakTalk membership as we continue to communicate. > > > > Fear not, a caveat will be that privacy of individuals will remain > absolutely secure, and personal details (email address, home address, > phone number, etc) will not be stored or accessed through the database. > > > > I will begin to formulate a project plan in the near future. > Anyone who wishes to participate should share their thoughts on > NakTalk, and/or contact me directly. Let's see where this takes us..... > > > > Regards, > > > > K.J. Bleus > > > > --- > > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > > > > --------- Forwarded Message --------- > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! > Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Jan 19 16:03:56 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 22:03:56 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201E63@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <003101c2bfcc$78e1e920$62299bca@smarzuki> Tom, ZX9 for U$100 !!! Don't you just looove those orange caps :-) :-) Interesting story indeed. Where's your 482Z now ? My 482 has rack handle, door well light and an op275 add-on, so I could use your Z meters .... =) Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 1:08 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) SAY WHAT!!! You got a Dragon for FREE!!! Who is this wealthy family you know, I need to get in touch with them and hopefully they will do the same for me :) That's fantastic Alex, well done. A similar thing happened to me, a family I know gave me their Akai reel to reel, but somehow I feel it's not the same as what you received. Well here's my story. I live in Wantirna Victoria, in Australia (yes that's pretty much the butt end of the world). I've loved hifi gear since day one of my life. I was first introduced to Nakamichi gear from my friends brother. He had (and still does) a high end stereo setup consisting of Luxman amp/turntable, phase linear preamp and power amp, monster JBL speakers, and a Nakamichi 670ZX together with a Highcom II noise reduction unit. I fell in love with the tape deck immediately (just loved the blue lamps and the analog meters). I was stunned with the sound quality and the silent mechanism. Some years later (1989) he knew of a friend that was selling a BX300 for $300 Aus. I snapped it up a quickly as I could, he offered me to pay him bit by bit because I was in College at the time and did not have a lot of money. Sure I was not as attractive as the 670 but it was a NAK! I still own that unit, has not skipped a beat. Later I came across a 480 in a second hand audio shop for only $100. It needed a little work (replacement of lamps, clean here and there), but it sounded good for a two head unit. I bought it for two reasons, one - I love the analog meters, and two, I wanted to collect naks. Some time later I was offered a ZX9 for only $200 Aus. The cosmetics were 8 out of 10, and it had two faults. The first fault was a collapsed erase bias oscillator circuit, and the seconds was the left channel disappeared when recording with Dolby C. These faults were due to those bloody ORANGE CAPS! The faults have been repaired by me but thanks to the great Stephen Sank for the directions I needed. Later on another nak was offered to me, a 482Z. This unit was in bad shape, could not record, the mechanics were not good either. A trip to Mr Sank concluded that this poor little Nakkie had to be put down, but Mr Sank offered me a RX505 at a very decent price with a voltage conversion to 220/240 volts (God bless you Stephen :)) So there you have it my collection of naks from the bx300, zx9, 480 and finally the rx505. I hope I have not bored you to death. Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Alex Cagann [mailto:alex at autoconsortium.com] From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Jan 19 16:06:33 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 22:06:33 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201E64@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <003201c2bfcc$79bc1c80$62299bca@smarzuki> What about a big rock nicely wrapped for his remarks on japanese decks ? ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 1:16 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) Hey Gra', what would you like for your birthday ? ;) -----Original Message----- From: Graham Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, 18 January 2003 7:37 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) I'm ALMOST 48 (birthday next month, guys ... get buying those presents for me ...) and live near Liverpool in the UK. I started with cassette way back 29 years ago when I bought a Sony unit that packed it's own amplifier and speakers. I've still got it ... for old times sake, not to use. I upgraded From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Jan 19 17:49:52 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 23:49:52 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Yes / ELP References: <3E298639.26053.1E0FF4C@localhost> Message-ID: <002801c2bfda$ca0cafc0$b8299bca@smarzuki> Hi Tim, I only have a copy of Triumvirate's Pompeii and loved it ! Too bad that's about the only album available here. About ELP records, Tarkus was recorded before the live show, yet sound gorgeous. And the music ... simply incomparable to what we have thesedays. :-( Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: timbarrett at cox.net To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 4:52 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Yes / ELP Hi Salim- Another ELP fan over here ... it's not just 'welcome back my friends', but many of their recordings seem to suffer from lack of quality, specially the early albums, which is unfortunate. Are you familiar with the German group Triumvirate? They were contemporary with ELP. Look for the 'Illusions', 'old loves', or 'spartacus' albums. Cheers, Tim B On 19 Jan 2003 at 3:08, Salim Marzuki wrote: From roleo at telus.net Sun Jan 19 18:28:44 2003 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 09:28:44 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201E65@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <003301c2bfe0$37d32840$8075059a@desktop> Hi Tom! I love the X-2000R! I have been a reel fan since I was young. The X-2000R offers a couple of things over the X-1000R: Bias Fine Tune, Individual channel recording (something that was more common on older decks.) Better heads (?). Is it better than the X-1000R? I've had both and wouldn't necessarily say so, although it is Better Looking, IMHO. Some actually say the X-1000R has better electronics. Boths sound the same to me, of course I'm only using my ears - no fancy tools to measure response.. --Roland ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" To: Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 1:59 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) > Hi Roland. How is the X-2000rbl? I own a X-1000Rbl, a A-3340s and a X700R. > All still going strong. > > Tom Siomopoulos. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Roland Alford [mailto:roleo at telus.net] > Sent: Sunday, 19 January 2003 3:11 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) > > > Time to add mine... > > Roland Alford - West Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada > > Cassette Tape Decks: Nakamichi Dragon; Nakamichi 680ZX; Nakamichi 550; SONY > WM-D3 Pro Walkman. > > Reel to Reel: TEAC X-2000Rbl; Revox B-77 II. > > Other Recorder: TASCAM CDRW-2000 Pro CD Recorder > > Been an audio enthusiast since the first time I heard a real stereo in > 1972 - age 10. (LP played was Audio Fidelity's Stereo Spectacular > Demonstration & Sound Effects LP [DFS 7777]; Still own a good copy of the > LP.) > > Got my first stereo in 1977 - began annoying my neighbors soon after... > > Bought my first Nakamichi (BX-100) in 1985 and was blown away by the > difference over other decks. (BX-100 still going strong now belongs to a > friend.) > > Never looked back! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "The BlueSwapper" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 2:17 PM > Subject: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) > > > > Ron, others..... > > > > No prob, I've got copies of all the recent Nak Digests. In fact, I've > started copying the messages with relevant info into one doc file as a > preliminary preparation. > > > > Bleus > > > > --- > > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > > > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Ron wrote: > > I hope you have already saved the data posted here in the > > past few days. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > The BlueSwapper wrote: > > > > > > Several NakTalkers have responded to the global NakTalker's database > > & map idea, and I'm seeing enough support for the idea to feel that > > coordinating and building a database of info to create a global > > reference map is feasible, worthwhile, and will be useful to the > > NakTalk membership as we continue to communicate. > > > > > > Fear not, a caveat will be that privacy of individuals will remain > > absolutely secure, and personal details (email address, home address, > > phone number, etc) will not be stored or accessed through the database. > > > > > > I will begin to formulate a project plan in the near future. > > Anyone who wishes to participate should share their thoughts on > > NakTalk, and/or contact me directly. Let's see where this takes us..... > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > K.J. Bleus > > > > > > --- > > > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > > > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > > > > > > --------- Forwarded Message --------- > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! > > Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > From blueswapper at angelfire.com Sun Jan 19 18:36:08 2003 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 09:36:08 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalkers (In a global sense) Message-ID: The initial response has given us already a global sense of NakTalk enthusiasts from around the world. Here's the short list of names and geographic locations as of today: Jim Volpatti, San Francisco, CA USA Ron ????, Boston Metro, MA USA Istvan ????, (Budapest???), Hungary Ken ????, Greensboro, NC USA Alex Cagann, Indianapolis, IN USA John M. Tooley, Milton, DE USA John Walker, Portland, England UK Graham Nelson, Liverpool Metro, England UK Maurits J. Raven, ????, Netherlands Rob Kent, San Franciso Metro, CA USA Isy Fidelman, Caracas, Venezuela Roland Alford, West Vancouver, BC Canada Tom Siomopoulos, Wantirna Victoria, Australia K.J. Bleus, Madison, WI USA Quality Assurance check - Now, did I overlook some others who have responded but are not yet portrayed on the short list above? Certainly other NakTalkers will want to be included, who might they be?? Email NakTalk or me directly. Let's see a diversity of geographic locations around the world, agreed??? Just let me know, I'll be working on the project database and maps mostly during coming winter month weekends. For now, peaceful regards! K.J. Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Got some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html --------- Forwarded Message --------- DATE: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 04:48:23 From: "The BlueSwapper" To: naktalk at naks.com Cc:blueswapper at angelfire.com Several NakTalkers have responded to the global NakTalker's database & map idea, and I'm seeing enough support for the idea to feel that coordinating and building a database of info to create a global reference map is feasible, worthwhile, and will be useful to the NakTalk membership as we continue to communicate. Fear not, a caveat will be that privacy of individuals will remain absolutely secure, and personal details (email address, home address, phone number, etc) will not be stored or accessed through the database. I will begin to formulate a project plan in the near future. Anyone who wishes to participate should share their thoughts on NakTalk, and/or contact me directly. Let's see where this takes us..... Regards, K.J. Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper --------- End Forwarded Message --------- ____________________________________________________________ Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus From blueswapper at angelfire.com Sun Jan 19 19:03:34 2003 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 10:03:34 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] APP (History of the Alan Parsons Project) Message-ID: Several months ago, we had a cheerful discussion about an album of oral history and music covering the years covering the well-regarded musical efforts of Alan Parsons and his Alan Parsons Project (APP). Well, I've been listening to that compilation again, and was reminded that it is quite an intriguing effort historically. I finally did transpose the two vinyl discs to a master cassette tape over the holidays, and it does (just barely) fit onto a Maxell XLIIS 100 cassette. Total time of the recording is 99:37 (min:sec). Last summer, a few NakTalkers conveyed interest in having an opportunity to listen and (respectfully) duplicate the album. I suggested that after the Nak Marathon Tape project was complete, we could devise a plan to send a master cassette around to interested individuals who would make cassette duplicates for personal use. Sort of a networked distribution effort based on a commitment to pass the APP cassette to the next person promptly and safely. Well, what do the few who are interested have to say now that we're into the year 2003? Marathon Tape production is slow, yet hopefully will be finished in the future. I could do a limited duplication (using my RX505 as source deck to my ZX7 recording deck) to create maybe two copies that could be sent to primary contacts in the eastern and wester hemispheres of the world. Maybe a plan of action of the two zones being eastern as Europe and Africa, Asia, and western as North and South America. Of course, this all depends upon enthusiasm and willingness to contribute to a successful effort between us all. Well, I thought as long as I had the idea in front of me this weekend, I would bring that forward for further discussion among my friends. Comments can be sent to me directly at: Best regards, K.J. Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html ____________________________________________________________ Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus From wdrewes at iafrica.com Sun Jan 19 19:23:25 2003 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wdrewes) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 20:23:25 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalkers (In a global sense) Message-ID: <01a601c2bfe7$dbd03080$ac231ec4@private> Please put me into your global story. I am a proud nakker from DURBAN , South Africa. I own the following items. Four Dragons,RX505 ,700ZXE, two 682 ZX, CR3, 600, 550.Other items include T100 Audio Analyzer,PA 7,CA 7,T 7, Two OMS 7 Amp 1 .Quite a number of items were given to me because of orange cap desease or were picked up for next to nothing at Sunday Morning markets.Unfortunately the present generation in our population dont know Nakamichi so these machines are not cherished but end up on junk heaps .I am sure you will also find them in similiar places in the USA if you only tried to find them ! The problem is what do I do with these things when I get to Mark's (Someone here in South Africa,- lives near Bloemfontein) age? I am not a reseller or Tech guy ,but suffer from the Nakamichi sickness ! -Walter Drewes----Original Message----- From: The BlueSwapper To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: blueswapper at angelfire.som.naks.com Date: Sunday, January 19, 2003 7:39 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalkers (In a global sense) >The initial response has given us already a global sense of NakTalk enthusiasts from around the world. Here's the short list of names and geographic locations as of today: > >Jim Volpatti, San Francisco, CA USA >Ron ????, Boston Metro, MA USA >Istvan ????, (Budapest???), Hungary >Ken ????, Greensboro, NC USA >Alex Cagann, Indianapolis, IN USA >John M. Tooley, Milton, DE USA >John Walker, Portland, England UK >Graham Nelson, Liverpool Metro, England UK >Maurits J. Raven, ????, Netherlands >Rob Kent, San Franciso Metro, CA USA >Isy Fidelman, Caracas, Venezuela >Roland Alford, West Vancouver, BC Canada >Tom Siomopoulos, Wantirna Victoria, Australia >K.J. Bleus, Madison, WI USA > >Quality Assurance check - Now, did I overlook some others who have responded but are not yet portrayed on the short list above? Certainly other NakTalkers will want to be included, who might they be?? Email NakTalk or me directly. Let's see a diversity of geographic locations around the world, agreed??? > >Just let me know, I'll be working on the project database and maps mostly during coming winter month weekends. For now, peaceful regards! > >K.J. Bleus > >--- >Help keep the blues alive! Got some??? >http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html >http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html > > > >--------- Forwarded Message --------- > >DATE: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 04:48:23 >From: "The BlueSwapper" >To: naktalk at naks.com >Cc:blueswapper at angelfire.com >Several NakTalkers have responded to the global NakTalker's database & map idea, and I'm seeing enough support for the idea to feel that coordinating and building a database of info to create a global reference map is feasible, worthwhile, and will be useful to the NakTalk membership as we continue to communicate. > >Fear not, a caveat will be that privacy of individuals will remain absolutely secure, and personal details (email address, home address, phone number, etc) will not be stored or accessed through the database. > >I will begin to formulate a project plan in the near future. Anyone who wishes to participate should share their thoughts on NakTalk, and/or contact me directly. Let's see where this takes us..... > >Regards, > >K.J. Bleus > >--- >Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? >http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > >--------- End Forwarded Message --------- > > > >____________________________________________________________ >Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! >Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== From sandorpistike at hotmail.com Sun Jan 19 20:11:07 2003 From: sandorpistike at hotmail.com (Sndor Istvn) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 20:11:07 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalkers (In a global sense) Message-ID: Hello Mr. Bleus, of course I want to "take a seat" on the list... My complete name is Istv�n S�ndor. I live in Saj�sz�ged, which is just a small village of about 3000 inhabitants, if you mention me as the guy who lives in Hungary, will be enough. I have a ZX7 and a RX505E. I bought the first in 1998 (if I remember well), and it was quite expensive (I remember clearly the amount in Hungarian Forints, but I do not remember the exchange rate of that time at all.) The second Nak were bought just some days ago, its price was 320EUR. This still must be tuned, because it sounds differently compared to the already tuned ZX7. I bought my first Nak because I read much abouth the superb properties of Naks. I saw one ad in a newspaper, went to the seller, and was totally impressed by the quality of the sound. Since then I really admire the quality of Naks, and the most impressive for me is that they are still over other manufacturers however my zx7 is at least 18years old. I hope it is all understandable. If someone need any more information, just ask me! Best regards, Istv�n >From: "The BlueSwapper" >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: naktalk at naks.com >CC: blueswapper at angelfire.som.naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalkers (In a global sense) >Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 09:36:08 -0800 > >The initial response has given us already a global sense of NakTalk >enthusiasts from around the world. Here's the short list of names and >geographic locations as of today: > >Jim Volpatti, San Francisco, CA USA >Ron ????, Boston Metro, MA USA >Istvan ????, (Budapest???), Hungary >Ken ????, Greensboro, NC USA >Alex Cagann, Indianapolis, IN USA >John M. Tooley, Milton, DE USA >John Walker, Portland, England UK >Graham Nelson, Liverpool Metro, England UK >Maurits J. Raven, ????, Netherlands >Rob Kent, San Franciso Metro, CA USA >Isy Fidelman, Caracas, Venezuela >Roland Alford, West Vancouver, BC Canada >Tom Siomopoulos, Wantirna Victoria, Australia >K.J. Bleus, Madison, WI USA > >Quality Assurance check - Now, did I overlook some others who have >responded but are not yet portrayed on the short list above? Certainly >other NakTalkers will want to be included, who might they be?? Email >NakTalk or me directly. Let's see a diversity of geographic locations >around the world, agreed??? > >Just let me know, I'll be working on the project database and maps mostly >during coming winter month weekends. For now, peaceful regards! > >K.J. Bleus > >--- >Help keep the blues alive! Got some??? >http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html >http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html > > > >--------- Forwarded Message --------- > >DATE: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 04:48:23 >From: "The BlueSwapper" >To: naktalk at naks.com >Cc:blueswapper at angelfire.com >Several NakTalkers have responded to the global NakTalker's database & map >idea, and I'm seeing enough support for the idea to feel that coordinating >and building a database of info to create a global reference map is >feasible, worthwhile, and will be useful to the NakTalk membership as we >continue to communicate. > >Fear not, a caveat will be that privacy of individuals will remain >absolutely secure, and personal details (email address, home address, phone >number, etc) will not be stored or accessed through the database. > >I will begin to formulate a project plan in the near future. Anyone who >wishes to participate should share their thoughts on NakTalk, and/or >contact me directly. Let's see where this takes us..... > >Regards, > >K.J. Bleus > >--- >Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? >http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > >--------- End Forwarded Message --------- > > > >____________________________________________________________ >Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! >Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From timbarrett at cox.net Sun Jan 19 20:15:00 2003 From: timbarrett at cox.net (timbarrett at cox.net) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 14:15:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3E2AB2E4.16403.D393AF@localhost> Please add me to the list - Tim Barrett, Fairfax, VA, USA On 19 Jan 2003 at 9:36, The BlueSwapper wrote: > The initial response has given us already a global sense of NakTalk > enthusiasts from around the world. Here's the short list of names and > geographic locations as of today: > > Jim Volpatti, San Francisco, CA USA > Ron ????, Boston Metro, MA USA > Istvan ????, (Budapest???), Hungary > Ken ????, Greensboro, NC USA > Alex Cagann, Indianapolis, IN USA > John M. Tooley, Milton, DE USA > John Walker, Portland, England UK > Graham Nelson, Liverpool Metro, England UK > Maurits J. Raven, ????, Netherlands > Rob Kent, San Franciso Metro, CA USA > Isy Fidelman, Caracas, Venezuela > Roland Alford, West Vancouver, BC Canada > Tom Siomopoulos, Wantirna Victoria, Australia > K.J. Bleus, Madison, WI USA > > Quality Assurance check - Now, did I overlook some others who have > responded but are not yet portrayed on the short list above? > Certainly other NakTalkers will want to be included, who might they > be?? Email NakTalk or me directly. Let's see a diversity of > geographic locations around the world, agreed??? > > Just let me know, I'll be working on the project database and maps > mostly during coming winter month weekends. For now, peaceful > regards! > > K.J. Bleus > > --- > Help keep the blues alive! Got some??? > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html > > > > --------- Forwarded Message --------- > > DATE: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 04:48:23 > From: "The BlueSwapper" > To: naktalk at naks.com > Cc:blueswapper at angelfire.com > Several NakTalkers have responded to the global NakTalker's database & > map idea, and I'm seeing enough support for the idea to feel that > coordinating and building a database of info to create a global > reference map is feasible, worthwhile, and will be useful to the > NakTalk membership as we continue to communicate. > > Fear not, a caveat will be that privacy of individuals will remain > absolutely secure, and personal details (email address, home address, > phone number, etc) will not be stored or accessed through the > database. > > I will begin to formulate a project plan in the near future. Anyone > who wishes to participate should share their thoughts on NakTalk, > and/or contact me directly. Let's see where this takes us..... > > Regards, > > K.J. Bleus > > --- > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > > --------- End Forwarded Message --------- > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! > Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus > ========-------------------------------------------------------------- > ----========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========-------------------------------------------------------------- > ----========= From sandorpistike at hotmail.com Sun Jan 19 20:29:39 2003 From: sandorpistike at hotmail.com (Sndor Istvn) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 20:29:39 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth-tuning Message-ID: Hello Tom, I feel lucky also! She brought this RX505E because I won an auction at ebay. The seller lives in Wien, and my wife had to go there because of other arrangements to do. She is very patient with me regarding my hobbies (I have some, eg. motorbiking). And she likes music also. She was impressed by the quality of Naks, and she does not ask why are they more expenyive as other second-hand machines. Have you ever tried to make your wife to listen to the music for at least one hour? I think 1 hour is enough to convince wives. I am afraid some of us has tried it for 10-20-30 years, and still no positive result. So I am really lucky! Istv�n >From: Thomas Siomopoulos >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: "'naktalk at naks.com'" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Azimuth-tuning >Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 09:11:59 +1100 > >Guess wehat Salim, tweeking the height screw was the first thing I did on >my >BX300, I thought the screw was for alignment (silly me!) With the head >height and azimuth alligned the RX 505 sounds brilliant (as do all other >naks). Istv�n you are a very lucky man to have a wife that brought you a >RX505, if my wife did that I'd quickly say to her "imposter! Who are you? >My >real wife wouldn't think of bringing such a device to me!" > > Regards Tom Siomopoulos. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Salim Marzuki [mailto:smarzuki at indosat.net.id] >Sent: Thursday, 16 January 2003 3:18 >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Azimuth-tuning > > > >Hi Istv�n, > >You're lucky to have Nak tech center close to you. What country are you >located ? Regarding those plastic screws ... can you believe that when i >brought home my brand new CR4 some years ago, the first thing i did was >"tweak" the height screw ??? Ouch !! > >I agree RX flipping mechanism is a real beauty to watch. Better get your >505 to that Nak shop to get the heads aligned & probably belts replaced. I >imagine the 120us eq switch will be difficult to repair but should be easy >to replace. > >Good luck ! >Salim SM (Jakarta, Indonesia) > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: S�ndor Istv�n >To: naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 9:39 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Azimuth-tuning > > >Hello Salim, > >I too, learned that lesson that time I bought the deck (about 4 years >ago)... Since then I made it tuned at a specialized service-shop, and since >then of course I do not made any alignment with those large white plastic >screws. > >Yesterday my wife brought me an RX505, and I found that its head is >possibly >misaligned. The ZX7 sounds better regerdless of original (pre-recorded) >casette or not. I will have to bring it to the above-mentioned shop, and >make it tuned. > >It is still like a toy for a child, I was really amazed of how fast it >flips >the cassette. I nearly laughed, it was so funny for me. > >Best regards, >Istv�n > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From jmtooley at ce.net Sun Jan 19 20:32:06 2003 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 14:32:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] APP (History of the Alan Parsons Project) References: Message-ID: <000f01c2bff1$7396a030$64106343@johnnyrotten> Bleus, Please count me in. I could dub to cassette, DAT, Minidisc, CD, Reel, whatever! John T. ----- Original Message ----- From: "The BlueSwapper" To: ; Cc: Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 1:03 PM Subject: [naktalk] APP (History of the Alan Parsons Project) > Several months ago, we had a cheerful discussion about an album of oral history and music covering the years covering the well-regarded musical efforts of Alan Parsons and his Alan Parsons Project (APP). > > Well, I've been listening to that compilation again, and was reminded that it is quite an intriguing effort historically. I finally did transpose the two vinyl discs to a master cassette tape over the holidays, and it does (just barely) fit onto a Maxell XLIIS 100 cassette. Total time of the recording is 99:37 (min:sec). > > Last summer, a few NakTalkers conveyed interest in having an opportunity to listen and (respectfully) duplicate the album. I suggested that after the Nak Marathon Tape project was complete, we could devise a plan to send a master cassette around to interested individuals who would make cassette duplicates for personal use. Sort of a networked distribution effort based on a commitment to pass the APP cassette to the next person promptly and safely. Well, what do the few who are interested have to say now that we're into the year 2003? Marathon Tape production is slow, yet hopefully will be finished in the future. I could do a limited duplication (using my RX505 as source deck to my ZX7 recording deck) to create maybe two copies that could be sent to primary contacts in the eastern and wester hemispheres of the world. Maybe a plan of action of the two zones being eastern as Europe and Africa, Asia, and western as North and South America. Of course, this all depends upon! > enthusiasm and willingness to contribute to a successful effort between us all. > > Well, I thought as long as I had the idea in front of me this weekend, I would bring that forward for further discussion among my friends. Comments can be sent to me directly at: > > Best regards, > > K.J. Bleus > > --- > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! > Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > From timbarrett at cox.net Sun Jan 19 20:31:34 2003 From: timbarrett at cox.net (timbarrett at cox.net) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 14:31:34 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Yes / ELP In-Reply-To: <002801c2bfda$ca0cafc0$b8299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3E2AB6C6.9430.E2BEBA@localhost> Salim- Pompei is the one I don't like as much as the others. If you are interested in any of the other Triumvirate material I'd be happy to put it on cassette for you. I had the fortune to see ELP in concert a few times way back in the 70's (damn, I'm getting old), but it wasn't until a few years ago that I saw Yes in concert, at the Nissan Pavilion near here. Alan Parsons opened, so the show was a double whammy for me. It was a great night! Tim On 19 Jan 2003 at 23:49, Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Hi Tim, I only have a copy of Triumvirate's Pompeii and loved it ! > Too bad that's about the only album available here. About ELP > records, Tarkus was recorded before the live show, yet sound gorgeous. > And the music ... simply incomparable to what we have thesedays. :-( > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: timbarrett at cox.net > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 4:52 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Yes / ELP > > > Hi Salim- > > Another ELP fan over here ... it's not just 'welcome back my friends', > but many of their recordings seem to suffer from lack of quality, > specially the early albums, which is unfortunate. Are you familiar > with the German group Triumvirate? They were contemporary with ELP. > Look for the 'Illusions', 'old loves', or 'spartacus' albums. > > Cheers, > Tim B > > On 19 Jan 2003 at 3:08, Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > ========-------------------------------------------------------------- > ----========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========-------------------------------------------------------------- > ----========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Jan 19 20:38:53 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 02:38:53 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalkers (In a global sense) References: <01a601c2bfe7$dbd03080$ac231ec4@private> Message-ID: <000f01c2bff2$804b3b00$b11a9bca@smarzuki> Looks like Bleus missed my entry, so please put me next to this nakfreak =) Almost similar story to Walter's on orange caps and low acquisition cost ... here's my inventory list: 482, 581, 680zx, 682zx, 700zxl, 1000zxl, lx5, zx5, zx9, rx202, bx300 (3), cd1, cr3, cr4, cr7 and dragon. Matching receivers: sr3, sr4 and re-1. Musicbanks: cd-3, mb2 and mb1s. System: ca7a, pa7ii, t7 ... and 2 nonworking oms7. Miscellaneous: nr200, td500, td700. Except for the cr4, re and nr, the rest were gathered not long after joining naktalk ... i'm sure the influence would not be as bad had I joined levinsontalk instead. But there's hope for a cure: planning to let go of 682zx, if anybody's interested ... Walter? You only have two there. :-) And please let me know if you find Nak turntable on Sunday market ! Greetings from Jakarta, Indonesia Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: wdrewes To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 1:23 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: NakTalkers (In a global sense) Please put me into your global story. I am a proud nakker from DURBAN , South Africa. I own the following items. Four Dragons,RX505 ,700ZXE, two 682 ZX, CR3, 600, 550.Other items include T100 Audio Analyzer,PA 7,CA 7,T 7, Two OMS 7 Amp 1 .Quite a number of items were given to me because of orange cap desease or were picked up for next to nothing at Sunday Morning markets.Unfortunately the present generation in our population dont know Nakamichi so these machines are not cherished but end up on junk heaps .I am sure you will also find them in similiar places in the USA if you only tried to find them ! The problem is what do I do with these things when I get to Mark's (Someone here in South Africa,- lives near Bloemfontein) age? I am not a reseller or Tech guy ,but suffer from the Nakamichi sickness ! -Walter Drewes----Original Message----- From: The BlueSwapper To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: blueswapper at angelfire.som.naks.com Date: Sunday, January 19, 2003 7:39 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalkers (In a global sense) >The initial response has given us already a global sense of NakTalk enthusiasts from around the world. Here's the short list of names and geographic locations as of today: > >Jim Volpatti, San Francisco, CA USA >Ron ????, Boston Metro, MA USA >Istvan ????, (Budapest???), Hungary >Ken ????, Greensboro, NC USA >Alex Cagann, Indianapolis, IN USA >John M. Tooley, Milton, DE USA >John Walker, Portland, England UK >Graham Nelson, Liverpool Metro, England UK >Maurits J. Raven, ????, Netherlands >Rob Kent, San Franciso Metro, CA USA >Isy Fidelman, Caracas, Venezuela >Roland Alford, West Vancouver, BC Canada >Tom Siomopoulos, Wantirna Victoria, Australia >K.J. Bleus, Madison, WI USA > >Quality Assurance check - Now, did I overlook some others who have responded but are not yet portrayed on the short list above? Certainly other NakTalkers will want to be included, who might they be?? Email NakTalk or me directly. Let's see a diversity of geographic locations around the world, agreed??? > From sandorpistike at hotmail.com Sun Jan 19 20:52:18 2003 From: sandorpistike at hotmail.com (Sndor Istvn) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 20:52:18 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] List of Nak-Owners Message-ID: Hello Mr. Bleus, sorry for "lying". I have just bought a nice BX1 on ebay... ;-) Please add it to my inventory list. Wife still not informed... Bye! Istv�n _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From eddy.pollet at pandora.be Sun Jan 19 21:07:36 2003 From: eddy.pollet at pandora.be (POLLET Eddy) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 21:07:36 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) In-Reply-To: <20030119192004.31061.65254.Mailman@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: Well, since it's becoming rather popular ... My name is Eddy Pollet, I live in Belgium, in Hove, a village near Antwerp . I'll turn 49 in february, and I bought my first Nak in '76, at the american army base in Wiesbaden, Germany ... a silver 600 . A few years later, I met a second-hand 700 in a shop, for about $ 700, and we're living happily together ever since :-) Since my wife pretends to get a headache whenever I play some of my preferred music, I really don't use my Naks very often, nor the rest of my sound system . For the moment I'm busy converting my home video's to VCD, but as soon as I've finished that, I'll start backing up all my cassette tapes ( I guess about 400 ) on CD-R, hoping that I'll live long enough to end those projects :-) Eddy From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Jan 19 21:19:07 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 15:19:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201E64@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> <003201c2bfcc$79bc1c80$62299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3E2B083B.211FA152@rcn.com> Nah... This is a free country and he is entitled to his opinions, as misguided as they may be. Make is a small rock! -- Ron Salim Marzuki wrote: > > What about a big rock nicely wrapped for his remarks on japanese decks ? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Thomas Siomopoulos > To: 'naktalk at naks.com' > Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 1:16 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) > > Hey Gra', what would you like for your birthday ? ;) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Graham Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] > Sent: Saturday, 18 January 2003 7:37 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) > > I'm ALMOST 48 (birthday next month, guys ... get buying those presents for > me ...) and live near Liverpool in the UK. I started with cassette way back > 29 years ago when I bought a Sony unit that packed it's own amplifier and > speakers. I've still got it ... for old times sake, not to use. I upgraded > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Jan 19 21:27:21 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 15:27:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] APP (History of the Alan Parsons Project) References: Message-ID: <3E2B0A29.FC8C7238@rcn.com> First: YEA, I WOULD BE VERY INTERESTED. Second: just an idea... If you have the means and inclination to convert the original to .WAV files, you could easily and cheaply email it to all interested parties. All that's required is a quality sound card. -- Ron The BlueSwapper wrote: > > Several months ago, we had a cheerful discussion about an album of oral history and music covering the years covering the well-regarded musical efforts of Alan Parsons and his Alan Parsons Project (APP). > > Well, I've been listening to that compilation again, and was reminded that it is quite an intriguing effort historically. I finally did transpose the two vinyl discs to a master cassette tape over the holidays, and it does (just barely) fit onto a Maxell XLIIS 100 cassette. Total time of the recording is 99:37 (min:sec). > > Last summer, a few NakTalkers conveyed interest in having an opportunity to listen and (respectfully) duplicate the album. I suggested that after the Nak Marathon Tape project was complete, we could devise a plan to send a master cassette around to interested individuals who would make cassette duplicates for personal use. Sort of a networked distribution effort based on a commitment to pass the APP cassette to the next person promptly and safely. Well, what do the few who are interested have to say now that we're into the year 2003? Marathon Tape production is slow, yet hopefully will be finished in the future. I could do a limited duplication (using my RX505 as source deck to my ZX7 recording deck) to create maybe two copies that could be sent to primary contacts in the eastern and wester hemispheres of the world. Maybe a plan of action of the two zones being eastern as Europe and Africa, Asia, and western as North and South America. Of course, this all depends upon! > enthusiasm and willingness to contribute to a successful effort between us all. > > Well, I thought as long as I had the idea in front of me this weekend, I would bring that forward for further discussion among my friends. Comments can be sent to me directly at: > > Best regards, > > K.J. Bleus From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Jan 19 21:46:05 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 20:46:05 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) In-Reply-To: <3E2B083B.211FA152@rcn.com> Message-ID: <000001c2bffb$c973c820$1ffb193e@oemcomputer> Hey! Not guilty! I'm not knocking Japanese decks! All my decks are Japanese except the Revox, which hasn't arrived yet! I just happen to like the idea of being able to continue getting spare parts for my cassette deck ... which is why I bought a ReVox. (And also 'cos it was cheap! Buying just before Christmas is a good time to get a nice deal ...) But if that little rock is a diamond ... I'll take it! That reminds me - Blues Man - I forgot to mention I have a Marantz/Superscope C220 portable, as well. (Made in Japan!) Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Ron > Sent: 19 January 2003 20:19 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) > > > > Nah... This is a free country and he is entitled to his > opinions, as misguided as they may be. > > Make is a small rock! > > -- Ron > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > What about a big rock nicely wrapped for his remarks on japanese decks ? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Thomas Siomopoulos > > To: 'naktalk at naks.com' > > Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 1:16 PM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) > > > > Hey Gra', what would you like for your birthday ? ;) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Graham Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] > > Sent: Saturday, 18 January 2003 7:37 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) > > > > I'm ALMOST 48 (birthday next month, guys ... get buying those > presents for > > me ...) and live near Liverpool in the UK. I started with > cassette way back > > 29 years ago when I bought a Sony unit that packed it's own > amplifier and > > speakers. 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Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/03 From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Sun Jan 19 22:17:06 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 08:17:06 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth-tuning Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201E67@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Yes István, you certainly are lucky to have such a wife. If I tried to get my wife to listen to music played on a Nak for an hour, she would loose interest very quickly, make some excuse, and leave :( Oh well. Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Sándor István [mailto:sandorpistike at hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, 20 January 2003 6:30 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Azimuth-tuning Hello Tom, I feel lucky also! She brought this RX505E because I won an auction at ebay. The seller lives in Wien, and my wife had to go there because of other arrangements to do. She is very patient with me regarding my hobbies (I have some, eg. motorbiking). And she likes music also. She was impressed by the quality of Naks, and she does not ask why are they more expenyive as other second-hand machines. Have you ever tried to make your wife to listen to the music for at least one hour? I think 1 hour is enough to convince wives. I am afraid some of us has tried it for 10-20-30 years, and still no positive result. So I am really lucky! István >From: Thomas Siomopoulos >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: "'naktalk at naks.com'" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Azimuth-tuning >Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 09:11:59 +1100 > >Guess wehat Salim, tweeking the height screw was the first thing I did on >my >BX300, I thought the screw was for alignment (silly me!) With the head >height and azimuth alligned the RX 505 sounds brilliant (as do all other >naks). István you are a very lucky man to have a wife that brought you a >RX505, if my wife did that I'd quickly say to her "imposter! Who are you? >My >real wife wouldn't think of bringing such a device to me!" > > Regards Tom Siomopoulos. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Salim Marzuki [mailto:smarzuki at indosat.net.id] >Sent: Thursday, 16 January 2003 3:18 >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Azimuth-tuning > > > >Hi István, > >You're lucky to have Nak tech center close to you. What country are you >located ? Regarding those plastic screws ... can you believe that when i >brought home my brand new CR4 some years ago, the first thing i did was >"tweak" the height screw ??? Ouch !! > >I agree RX flipping mechanism is a real beauty to watch. Better get your >505 to that Nak shop to get the heads aligned & probably belts replaced. I >imagine the 120us eq switch will be difficult to repair but should be easy >to replace. > >Good luck ! >Salim SM (Jakarta, Indonesia) > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Sándor István >To: naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 9:39 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Azimuth-tuning > > >Hello Salim, > >I too, learned that lesson that time I bought the deck (about 4 years >ago)... Since then I made it tuned at a specialized service-shop, and since >then of course I do not made any alignment with those large white plastic >screws. > >Yesterday my wife brought me an RX505, and I found that its head is >possibly >misaligned. The ZX7 sounds better regerdless of original (pre-recorded) >casette or not. I will have to bring it to the above-mentioned shop, and >make it tuned. > >It is still like a toy for a child, I was really amazed of how fast it >flips >the cassette. I nearly laughed, it was so funny for me. > >Best regards, >István > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = >======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = >======= >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Sun Jan 19 22:23:25 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 08:23:25 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201E68@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> I agree with you on the looks. I damm missed out on purchasing a x-2000Rbl with tapes for $300 Aus. That was over 4 years ago and I'm still kicking myself :( Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Roland Alford [mailto:roleo at telus.net] Sent: Monday, 20 January 2003 4:29 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) Hi Tom! I love the X-2000R! I have been a reel fan since I was young. The X-2000R offers a couple of things over the X-1000R: Bias Fine Tune, Individual channel recording (something that was more common on older decks.) Better heads (?). Is it better than the X-1000R? I've had both and wouldn't necessarily say so, although it is Better Looking, IMHO. Some actually say the X-1000R has better electronics. Boths sound the same to me, of course I'm only using my ears - no fancy tools to measure response.. --Roland ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" To: Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 1:59 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) > Hi Roland. How is the X-2000rbl? I own a X-1000Rbl, a A-3340s and a X700R. > All still going strong. > > Tom Siomopoulos. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Roland Alford [mailto:roleo at telus.net] > Sent: Sunday, 19 January 2003 3:11 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) > > > Time to add mine... > > Roland Alford - West Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada > > Cassette Tape Decks: Nakamichi Dragon; Nakamichi 680ZX; Nakamichi 550; SONY > WM-D3 Pro Walkman. > > Reel to Reel: TEAC X-2000Rbl; Revox B-77 II. > > Other Recorder: TASCAM CDRW-2000 Pro CD Recorder > > Been an audio enthusiast since the first time I heard a real stereo in > 1972 - age 10. (LP played was Audio Fidelity's Stereo Spectacular > Demonstration & Sound Effects LP [DFS 7777]; Still own a good copy of the > LP.) > > Got my first stereo in 1977 - began annoying my neighbors soon after... > > Bought my first Nakamichi (BX-100) in 1985 and was blown away by the > difference over other decks. (BX-100 still going strong now belongs to a > friend.) > > Never looked back! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "The BlueSwapper" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 2:17 PM > Subject: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) > > > > Ron, others..... > > > > No prob, I've got copies of all the recent Nak Digests. In fact, I've > started copying the messages with relevant info into one doc file as a > preliminary preparation. > > > > Bleus > > > > --- > > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > > > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Ron wrote: > > I hope you have already saved the data posted here in the > > past few days. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > The BlueSwapper wrote: > > > > > > Several NakTalkers have responded to the global NakTalker's database > > & map idea, and I'm seeing enough support for the idea to feel that > > coordinating and building a database of info to create a global > > reference map is feasible, worthwhile, and will be useful to the > > NakTalk membership as we continue to communicate. > > > > > > Fear not, a caveat will be that privacy of individuals will remain > > absolutely secure, and personal details (email address, home address, > > phone number, etc) will not be stored or accessed through the database. > > > > > > I will begin to formulate a project plan in the near future. > > Anyone who wishes to participate should share their thoughts on > > NakTalk, and/or contact me directly. Let's see where this takes us..... > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > K.J. Bleus > > > > > > --- > > > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > > > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > > > > > > --------- Forwarded Message --------- > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! > > Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Sun Jan 19 22:27:08 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 08:27:08 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201E69@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> My 482Z is with Stephen. It's his now, I sold it for parts. I remember the photograph of you on Bleus' Nakmarathon tape webpage, is the 482 you're standing next to? BTW is it dificult to add a door well light on the 480 series and BX300 units? Regards Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Salim Marzuki [mailto:smarzuki at indosat.net.id] Sent: Monday, 20 January 2003 2:04 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) Tom, ZX9 for U$100 !!! Don't you just looove those orange caps :-) :-) Interesting story indeed. Where's your 482Z now ? My 482 has rack handle, door well light and an op275 add-on, so I could use your Z meters .... =) Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 1:08 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) SAY WHAT!!! You got a Dragon for FREE!!! Who is this wealthy family you know, I need to get in touch with them and hopefully they will do the same for me :) That's fantastic Alex, well done. A similar thing happened to me, a family I know gave me their Akai reel to reel, but somehow I feel it's not the same as what you received. Well here's my story. I live in Wantirna Victoria, in Australia (yes that's pretty much the butt end of the world). I've loved hifi gear since day one of my life. I was first introduced to Nakamichi gear from my friends brother. He had (and still does) a high end stereo setup consisting of Luxman amp/turntable, phase linear preamp and power amp, monster JBL speakers, and a Nakamichi 670ZX together with a Highcom II noise reduction unit. I fell in love with the tape deck immediately (just loved the blue lamps and the analog meters). I was stunned with the sound quality and the silent mechanism. Some years later (1989) he knew of a friend that was selling a BX300 for $300 Aus. I snapped it up a quickly as I could, he offered me to pay him bit by bit because I was in College at the time and did not have a lot of money. Sure I was not as attractive as the 670 but it was a NAK! I still own that unit, has not skipped a beat. Later I came across a 480 in a second hand audio shop for only $100. It needed a little work (replacement of lamps, clean here and there), but it sounded good for a two head unit. I bought it for two reasons, one - I love the analog meters, and two, I wanted to collect naks. Some time later I was offered a ZX9 for only $200 Aus. The cosmetics were 8 out of 10, and it had two faults. The first fault was a collapsed erase bias oscillator circuit, and the seconds was the left channel disappeared when recording with Dolby C. These faults were due to those bloody ORANGE CAPS! The faults have been repaired by me but thanks to the great Stephen Sank for the directions I needed. Later on another nak was offered to me, a 482Z. This unit was in bad shape, could not record, the mechanics were not good either. A trip to Mr Sank concluded that this poor little Nakkie had to be put down, but Mr Sank offered me a RX505 at a very decent price with a voltage conversion to 220/240 volts (God bless you Stephen :)) So there you have it my collection of naks from the bx300, zx9, 480 and finally the rx505. I hope I have not bored you to death. Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Alex Cagann [mailto:alex at autoconsortium.com] ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Sun Jan 19 22:29:37 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 08:29:37 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201E6A@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Bleus, can you add to my info the following nick-naks. A HighcomII noise reduction system and a RM580R/T remote control unit. Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos Sent: Saturday, 18 January 2003 5:08 To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) SAY WHAT!!! You got a Dragon for FREE!!! Who is this wealthy family you know, I need to get in touch with them and hopefully they will do the same for me :) That's fantastic Alex, well done. A similar thing happened to me, a family I know gave me their Akai reel to reel, but somehow I feel it's not the same as what you received. Well here's my story. I live in Wantirna Victoria, in Australia (yes that's pretty much the butt end of the world). I've loved hifi gear since day one of my life. I was first introduced to Nakamichi gear from my friends brother. He had (and still does) a high end stereo setup consisting of Luxman amp/turntable, phase linear preamp and power amp, monster JBL speakers, and a Nakamichi 670ZX together with a Highcom II noise reduction unit. I fell in love with the tape deck immediately (just loved the blue lamps and the analog meters). I was stunned with the sound quality and the silent mechanism. Some years later (1989) he knew of a friend that was selling a BX300 for $300 Aus. I snapped it up a quickly as I could, he offered me to pay him bit by bit because I was in College at the time and did not have a lot of money. Sure I was not as attractive as the 670 but it was a NAK! I still own that unit, has not skipped a beat. Later I came across a 480 in a second hand audio shop for only $100. It needed a little work (replacement of lamps, clean here and there), but it sounded good for a two head unit. I bought it for two reasons, one - I love the analog meters, and two, I wanted to collect naks. Some time later I was offered a ZX9 for only $200 Aus. The cosmetics were 8 out of 10, and it had two faults. The first fault was a collapsed erase bias oscillator circuit, and the seconds was the left channel disappeared when recording with Dolby C. These faults were due to those bloody ORANGE CAPS! The faults have been repaired by me but thanks to the great Stephen Sank for the directions I needed. Later on another nak was offered to me, a 482Z. This unit was in bad shape, could not record, the mechanics were not good either. A trip to Mr Sank concluded that this poor little Nakkie had to be put down, but Mr Sank offered me a RX505 at a very decent price with a voltage conversion to 220/240 volts (God bless you Stephen :)) So there you have it my collection of naks from the bx300, zx9, 480 and finally the rx505. I hope I have not bored you to death. Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Alex Cagann [mailto:alex at autoconsortium.com] Sent: Saturday, 18 January 2003 2:32 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) > > > I'd like to gather information from > > > NakTalkers to create a spatial database of who you are, where you > > > live, years you've collected Nak gear, decks you possess, et cetera. Hello Ol Joe. I live in Indianapolis, Indiana. Have lived here forever. I am 30 years old and have had a nak deck since I was 15. I was actually given a Nakamichi Dragon when I was 15. No, my parents didn't buy me one, they had neither the money nor the inclination for audio gear. I always loved audio gear but couldn't afford much at all. My friend's family was ultra wealthy. They had 3 dragons, a ton of Mac stuff, a ton of Luxman stuff, etc, etc. I got to know his parents quite well and often mentioned how much I loved their Nakamichi Dragons. They told me to take one! Damn...I'm not sure if that wasn't the happiest day of my life....being only 15 and getting a Dragon for free! I still have the deck and it has worked great for all these years. Stephen repaired it a couple years ago, some azimuth error and capstan motor tuning was needed. A year ago I bought an RX505 to compliment the Dragon. I got it on ebay for $350 and it looks like it was just pulled out of the box. The two magnificent Nak's completely dominate my audio system rack...damn Nak equipment is beautiful. I have no other Nakamichi equipment but I have talked my dad into putting a budget system together from ebay. I think he should opt for the LX5 deck and an OMS disc player. Also, Stephen, I think we are going to get one of your turntables....please email me about that as I lost your info. That's my story. I am enjoying reading the info on everyone...good idea Joe! I'm also very grateful for this list (thank you Wouter) because my friends/acquaintances/girlfriend could care less about discussing tape decks :-) Alex Cagann ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sun Jan 19 23:22:28 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 23:22:28 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Orange cap manual by Kannan online! Message-ID: <3E2B2524.95E66498@xs4all.nl> Kannan wrote a great document on the Orange cap replacement! A few minutes ago i've converted it to html and placed it online for you all to look at: http://support.naks.com/orange/ I want to thank Kannan for this great (starting) contribution to this 'project' ! Also thanks to Fuad for sending pictures of his 700zxe orange cap replacement, i will add those to the site also, but have to think of a way to combine all these pictures and future pictures (that also i will be making of my soldering activity). I also want to encourage all who also have this 'orange cap' knowledge to look at the document and write additions that can be added or placed next to it.. i don't know yet, we can all decide and suggestions are welcome! Enjoy! Wouter From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Jan 20 00:31:31 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 23:31:31 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth-tuning In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201E67@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <000201c2c012$e5909f80$f1b9193e@oemcomputer> Not that she's here at the moment, but I wish my wife would leave when I played my Nak ... > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Thomas Siomopoulos > Sent: 19 January 2003 21:17 > To: 'naktalk at naks.com' > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Azimuth-tuning > > > Yes István, you certainly are lucky to have such a wife. If I tried to get > my wife to listen to music played on a Nak for an hour, she would loose > interest very quickly, make some excuse, and leave :( > > Oh well. > > Tom Siomopoulos. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sándor István [mailto:sandorpistike at hotmail.com] > Sent: Monday, 20 January 2003 6:30 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Azimuth-tuning > > > Hello Tom, > I feel lucky also! She brought this RX505E because I won an > auction at ebay. > > The seller lives in Wien, and my wife had to go there because of other > arrangements to do. > She is very patient with me regarding my hobbies (I have some, eg. > motorbiking). > And she likes music also. She was impressed by the quality of > Naks, and she > does not ask why are they more expenyive as other second-hand machines. > > Have you ever tried to make your wife to listen to the music for at least > one hour? I think 1 hour is enough to convince wives. I am afraid > some of us > > has tried it for 10-20-30 years, and still no positive result. So I am > really lucky! > > István > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/03 From kannan_s at vsnl.com Mon Jan 20 06:01:56 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 10:31:56 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth-tuning Message-ID: <20030120050156.5FABA114920@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Jan 20 07:54:50 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 08:54:50 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Rotel Cassette Decks(Yamaha and NAD) Message-ID: Hi Graham, Hope you have a good weekend. Yes, I think you are right about that; I have long had that suspicion. Yamaha and NAD seemed joined at the hip design wise, and Rotel was very similar to Yamaha as well. The three head dual cap NADs such as 6100 Monitor and 6300 Monitor looked vaguely similar (internally) to the Yamaha KX-630, but in in different clothing. Also the specialised manufacturing for cassette mechanisms and their sheer complexity necessitating large financial investments and staff training must have required a lot of "sharing" and "buying-in" for the smaller manufacturers. Cheers, Marc >>> graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk 01/17/03 10:23PM >>> > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Mark Hugo > Sent: 17 January 2003 08:12 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Re: [naktalk] István > > > > They did in fact have a few cassette decks. I'm pretty sure they > outsourced the manufacture to someone else - but I could never > pin it down. I did woinder if there was a tie-in with Yamaha as they appeared to use similar "tone" controls. Gra' > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/03 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. 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URL: From mdevera at compuserve.com Mon Jan 20 17:46:14 2003 From: mdevera at compuserve.com (Mike deVera) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 08:46:14 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalkers (In a global sense) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000b01c2c0a3$72432340$1901000a@c994264e> Mike deVera, San Jose, CA USA Nak CR7a Nak CR4a both Sankified. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of The BlueSwapper Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 9:36 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: blueswapper at angelfire.som.naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalkers (In a global sense) The initial response has given us already a global sense of NakTalk enthusiasts from around the world. Here's the short list of names and geographic locations as of today: Jim Volpatti, San Francisco, CA USA Ron ????, Boston Metro, MA USA Istvan ????, (Budapest???), Hungary Ken ????, Greensboro, NC USA Alex Cagann, Indianapolis, IN USA John M. Tooley, Milton, DE USA John Walker, Portland, England UK Graham Nelson, Liverpool Metro, England UK Maurits J. Raven, ????, Netherlands Rob Kent, San Franciso Metro, CA USA Isy Fidelman, Caracas, Venezuela Roland Alford, West Vancouver, BC Canada Tom Siomopoulos, Wantirna Victoria, Australia K.J. Bleus, Madison, WI USA Quality Assurance check - Now, did I overlook some others who have responded but are not yet portrayed on the short list above? Certainly other NakTalkers will want to be included, who might they be?? Email NakTalk or me directly. Let's see a diversity of geographic locations around the world, agreed??? Just let me know, I'll be working on the project database and maps mostly during coming winter month weekends. For now, peaceful regards! K.J. Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Got some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html --------- Forwarded Message --------- DATE: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 04:48:23 From: "The BlueSwapper" To: naktalk at naks.com Cc:blueswapper at angelfire.com Several NakTalkers have responded to the global NakTalker's database & map idea, and I'm seeing enough support for the idea to feel that coordinating and building a database of info to create a global reference map is feasible, worthwhile, and will be useful to the NakTalk membership as we continue to communicate. Fear not, a caveat will be that privacy of individuals will remain absolutely secure, and personal details (email address, home address, phone number, etc) will not be stored or accessed through the database. I will begin to formulate a project plan in the near future. Anyone who wishes to participate should share their thoughts on NakTalk, and/or contact me directly. Let's see where this takes us..... Regards, K.J. Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper --------- End Forwarded Message --------- ____________________________________________________________ Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From dorian.dyer at digit6.com Mon Jan 20 17:49:40 2003 From: dorian.dyer at digit6.com (Dorian Dyer) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 11:49:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] zx-7 owner's manual Message-ID: <001101c2c0a3$ed19d2d0$9501010a@ddyer1> Hello does anyone have a copy of this? Dorian Dyer DigitalEra Group LLC 4931 SW 75th Avenue Miami, FL 33155-4440 Tel: 305.668.6680 x106 Fax: 305.668.3150 Mobile: 305.206.3160 E-Mail: dorian.dyer at digit6.com www.digitaleragroup.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bjgrady at pacbell.net Mon Jan 20 19:27:08 2003 From: bjgrady at pacbell.net (John) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 10:27:08 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: rubber reconditioner In-Reply-To: <000101c2bf31$67fc83e0$03299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <000001c2c0b1$8de95a20$5900a8c0@SUPPORT.RENTANAPT.COM> Well I have been a Yes fan most of my life. I'm 39. Remember hearing my step sister's copy of Close to the Edge back when I was in jr. high school. That was it. Been a fan ever since. Recently saw them at the Universal Ampatheater in Los Angeles a few months back. It was awesome. The whole original band including Rick Wakeman (spell?). Jon Anderson's voice sounds exactly the same as it did in the 70's. Recently purchased the Yes boxset from Rhino Records. It's not bad. It includes a good read. Cal John. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of Salim Marzuki Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 12:09 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: rubber reconditioner Thank you Roland and John for your suggestion and info. I have contacted several sites that show B&O belt but most of them were either already out of stock or prohibitively expensive. Anyway, I might be able to get one from Jeff. Pushing the OT further: any Yes / ELP fans on naktalk ? I'm enjoying old Yes 'tales of topographic ocean' record, and just bought Works Live cd ... but how come 'welcome back my friend' sounds terrible on both vinyl and cd ? Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Roland Alford To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 12:55 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: rubber reconditioner Salim, Check out these two sites. If they don't ship direct, I'm sure one of our boys in the good ol' US of A wouldn't mind helping out in ordering it and shipping it to you. I wouldn't waste time with brittle rubber if fresh stuff is available. Perhaps get two and seal one in plastic for the future since they are getting rare I understand. --Roland http://www.19art.net/music/lp/belts.htm http://www.turntablebelts.com/bang.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: John M. Tooley To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 9:39 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: rubber reconditioner I think I would email B&O in Denmark who hopefully could suggest some good soul in US who might still have some. John T. ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From hisself at ol-jim.com Mon Jan 20 22:48:41 2003 From: hisself at ol-jim.com (Ol' Jim, hisself) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 16:48:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Membership list In-Reply-To: <000201c2c012$e5909f80$f1b9193e@oemcomputer> References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201E67@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <3E2C2869.12882.FF6FD24@localhost> Please add to the list: Ol' Jim, hisself Central Florida, USA 2 BX-2s (both for sale) and a LX-5 Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com An armed society is a polite society. From imemine2 at worldnet.att.net Mon Jan 20 22:52:55 2003 From: imemine2 at worldnet.att.net (J Chojnowski) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 16:52:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalkers (In a global sense) References: <000b01c2c0a3$72432340$1901000a@c994264e> Message-ID: <3E2C6FB7.BEA5AEF7@worldnet.att.net> My name is Joe Chojnowski from Mercerville, New Jersey USA and I must admit that I have been lurking in silence but learning a lot. My first Nak was a new 581 back in 81 (has bad orange caps) and recently a 580 and RX-505. One day the RX-505 will get Sankified. joe C Mike deVera wrote: > > Mike deVera, San Jose, CA USA Nak CR7a Nak CR4a both Sankified. > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > The BlueSwapper > Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 9:36 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Cc: blueswapper at angelfire.som.naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalkers (In a global sense) > > The initial response has given us already a global sense of NakTalk > enthusiasts from around the world. Here's the short list of names and > geographic locations as of today: > > Jim Volpatti, San Francisco, CA USA > Ron ????, Boston Metro, MA USA > Istvan ????, (Budapest???), Hungary > Ken ????, Greensboro, NC USA > Alex Cagann, Indianapolis, IN USA > John M. Tooley, Milton, DE USA > John Walker, Portland, England UK > Graham Nelson, Liverpool Metro, England UK > Maurits J. Raven, ????, Netherlands > Rob Kent, San Franciso Metro, CA USA > Isy Fidelman, Caracas, Venezuela > Roland Alford, West Vancouver, BC Canada > Tom Siomopoulos, Wantirna Victoria, Australia > K.J. Bleus, Madison, WI USA > > Quality Assurance check - Now, did I overlook some others who have responded > but are not yet portrayed on the short list above? Certainly other > NakTalkers will want to be included, who might they be?? Email NakTalk or me > directly. Let's see a diversity of geographic locations around the world, > agreed??? > > Just let me know, I'll be working on the project database and maps mostly > during coming winter month weekends. For now, peaceful regards! > > K.J. Bleus > > --- > Help keep the blues alive! Got some??? > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html > > --------- Forwarded Message --------- > > DATE: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 04:48:23 > From: "The BlueSwapper" > To: naktalk at naks.com > Cc:blueswapper at angelfire.com > Several NakTalkers have responded to the global NakTalker's database & map > idea, and I'm seeing enough support for the idea to feel that coordinating > and building a database of info to create a global reference map is > feasible, worthwhile, and will be useful to the NakTalk membership as we > continue to communicate. > > Fear not, a caveat will be that privacy of individuals will remain > absolutely secure, and personal details (email address, home address, phone > number, etc) will not be stored or accessed through the database. > > I will begin to formulate a project plan in the near future. Anyone who > wishes to participate should share their thoughts on NakTalk, and/or contact > me directly. Let's see where this takes us..... > > Regards, > > K.J. Bleus > > --- > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > > --------- End Forwarded Message --------- > > ____________________________________________________________ > Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! > Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From m.raven at chello.nl Tue Jan 21 01:07:46 2003 From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 01:07:46 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalkers (In a global sense) References: <000b01c2c0a3$72432340$1901000a@c994264e> Message-ID: <020201c2c0e1$20de2840$9e3cbbd4@raveneql1a1eu0> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike deVera" To: > Just let me know, I'll be working on the project database and maps mostly > during coming winter month weekends. For now, peaceful regards! ` Why? We enjoy the good work of Wouter, the initiator of NAKS.COM. I don't see the reason to get databased anyfurther than this now. Maurits From blueswapper at angelfire.com Tue Jan 21 01:12:35 2003 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 16:12:35 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalkers (In A Global Sense) Salim, et al Message-ID: Got you this time, Salim! I just vaguely recollect seeing your email in an earlier NakTalk Digest. Now we've got you on the list! Also, received several other individuals emails off-line , which will be included in our NakTalk global database. Growing fast now..... Cheers! Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper ____________________________________________________________ Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Tue Jan 21 03:29:32 2003 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 03:29:32 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalkers (In a global sense) In-Reply-To: <020201c2c0e1$20de2840$9e3cbbd4@raveneql1a1eu0> References: <000b01c2c0a3$72432340$1901000a@c994264e> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030121030627.00a7d660@box.tin.it> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Tue Jan 21 07:19:15 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 11:49:15 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalkers (In a global sense) Message-ID: <20030121061915.5F33F114A20@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Jan 21 07:56:48 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 13:56:48 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalkers (In a global sense) References: <20030121061915.5F33F114A20@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <004f01c2c11a$45706720$52299bca@smarzuki> Probably Kohno got his own version of naktalk there =) He mention Wouter's great Nak page on his site - is he a member of naktalk ? Ezio, great picture page ! Is that you in one of the pics ? Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: kannan_s at vsnl.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 1:19 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: NakTalkers (In a global sense) Ezio You are living in one of the few great cities of the world! Very interetsing to note that we do not have anybody from Japan - the birth place of Naks! Kannan ezio_lucenti at tin.it wrote Hi my friends , I am Ezio and I am 47 . 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URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jan 21 08:15:28 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 07:15:28 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalkers (In a global sense) In-Reply-To: <20030121061915.5F33F114A20@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <002601c2c11c$e085b7e0$11d0193e@oemcomputer> Kannan observed: > Very interetsing to note that we do not have anybody from Japan - > the birth place of Naks! > I was thinking exactly the same thing. (Great minds think a like!) It is interesting that what the Japanese make, they don't always buy themselves and that they buy is often not Japanese. For example, one of the reasons that Garrard 301 and 401 record decks sell at such a premium price is because Japanese enthusiasts, more than anywhere else in the World cherish them. Thus, I am wondering if Nakamichi cassette decks are ... were ... the first choice of the hi fi enthusiast ... 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Forget the Naks, I could only afford the low-end Akai CS-F11then. On a trip to Japan in 1989 I bought an A&D GX-Z9000 (same as Akai GX-8) and got only the brochures of Dragon/CR-70 decks (still too expensive). And then I discovered cassette-decks on e-bay, which eventually lead me to naktalk. I collected a bunch of decks, including a 700zxe (orange-caps recently replaced), a Dragon and not to mention a couple of GX-F90's. Other stuff include an Aiwa XK-S9000, Pioneer CT-A9, Sony TC-177SD (another old time favourite) and a Sony DTC-ZA5 DAT deck. Regards, _Fuad >>>>>>>>> Kannan wrote a great document on the Orange cap replacement! A few minutes ago i've converted it to html and placed it online for you all to look at: http://support.naks.com/orange/ I want to thank Kannan for this great (starting) contribution to this 'project' ! Also thanks to Fuad for sending pictures of his 700zxe orange cap replacement, i will add those to the site also, but have to think of a way to combine all these pictures and future pictures (that also i will be making of my soldering activity). I also want to encourage all who also have this 'orange cap' knowledge to look at the document and write additions that can be added or placed next to it.. i don't know yet, we can all decide and suggestions are welcome! Enjoy! Wouter From emte at mail.md Tue Jan 21 10:24:12 2003 From: emte at mail.md (marin turea) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 11:24:12 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalkers (In a global sense) Message-ID: <200301210924.h0L9OC102175@ad.md> Hello everybody. Bleus, now if you had this great inspiration of making a map of the global nakophilia, how about adding a preamble: "Naktalk -how it all started" by Wouter Heijke. All these years i was curious WHEN and HOW it all started (details, details!). Personally, i joined the list after that article in Stereophile, really can't remember the year. But i do remember Tom Bergman, for example, a generous contributor when i jumped in. he left the list quite some time ago. Wouter, what do you say about prefacing Bleus' map? All my sympathy to all of you. +++ Marin - enjoying the -talk whatever it is about. ps: me also can't undestand how come no one from Japan is among us... ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Got you this time, Salim! I just vaguely recollect seeing your > email in an earlier NakTalk Digest. Now we've got you on the list! > > Also, received several other individuals emails off-line , which will be included in our NakTalk global database. Growing fast now..... > > Cheers! > > Bleus > > --- > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > > > > --- > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! > Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ___________________________________________ Get your free mail box @ http://www.mail.md From m.raven at chello.nl Tue Jan 21 12:51:53 2003 From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 12:51:53 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] My tape story References: <200301210422_MC3-1-25A9-D9D2@compuserve.com> Message-ID: <033401c2c143$7dbe7a80$9e3cbbd4@raveneql1a1eu0> Started the 1st battery powered mono from Philips, Eindhoven. They invented the musiccassette because open reel and the big US based where not so succesfull for the ordinary people. In 1971 I bought an Revox A77, 2 track 9/5/19 cm/s. Sold it to a musican and bought a 2nd hand LX-5 in mint condition. It's not very much in use, however. Maurits From wheijke at xs4all.nl Tue Jan 21 12:27:22 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (wheijke at xs4all.nl) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 12:27:22 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalkers (In a global sense) In-Reply-To: <200301210924.h0L9OC102175@ad.md> References: <200301210924.h0L9OC102175@ad.md> Message-ID: <4877.62.72.223.42.1043148442.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Hi Marin / Everyone, You must be a long-time member since you remember these 2 things: -Stereophile article (http://www.stereophile.com/shownews.cgi?231) -Tom Bergman...haven't heared from him for a while, just send him an email! But the site has been there for more then 5 years! Reading the 'news' page tells a lot about the history. It started as a part on my personal homepage where i placed a picture of my just aquired first Nak, a 582, followed shortly by pictures of more Naks i bought and wanted to buy... Looking on the web i couldn't find anything about this part of Nakamichi history so i started to add more and more decks, scanned from the small 'product overview' brochures i owned also adding specifications. More later i started a dedicated homepage at Geocities... that is when the news page starts: "Sep 24 1997 Created and installed the pages.", naktalk started a bit later: "Feb 25 1998 Start of the Nakamichi (naktalk) mailinglist". So Stereophile were there quite early when they published their article.. Wouter (Amsterdam, The Netherlands, most proud of my: 1000ZXL/700ZXE/ZX7/ZX9/680ZX/Dragon) > Hello everybody. > Bleus, now if you had this great inspiration of making a map > of the global nakophilia, how about adding a preamble: "Naktalk -how it > all started" by Wouter Heijke. All these years i was > curious WHEN and HOW it all started (details, details!). Personally, i > joined the list after that article in Stereophile, really can't remember > the year. But i do remember Tom Bergman, for example, a generous > contributor when i jumped in. he left the list quite some time ago. > > Wouter, what do you say about prefacing Bleus' map? > > All my sympathy > to all of you. > > +++ > Marin - enjoying the -talk whatever it is about. > > ps: me also can't undestand how > come no one from Japan is among us... > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > >> Got you this time, Salim! I just vaguely recollect seeing your >> email in an earlier NakTalk Digest. Now we've got you on the list! >> >> Also, received several other individuals emails off-line , which will be >> included in our NakTalk global database. Growing fast now..... >> >> Cheers! >> >> Bleus >> >> --- >> Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? >> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper >> >> >> >> --- >> Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? >> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper >> >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! >> Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus >> ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> To maintain your account please go here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > > > ___________________________________________ > Get your free mail box @ http://www.mail.md > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > From lklein4 at ameritech.net Tue Jan 21 15:47:16 2003 From: lklein4 at ameritech.net (John Klein) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 09:47:16 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1 Message-ID: <001301c2c15b$fe1e0480$6601a8c0@hp> My brother recently gave me his "old" Nak Cassette Deck 1. I have been playing with it for several days now and am quite happy with its performance. Is there anything I should be aware of or careful of with this unit. How does it compare to other Nak decks for performance etc. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ztiller at hotmail.com Tue Jan 21 16:15:22 2003 From: ztiller at hotmail.com (Robert Zabokrtsky) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 10:15:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Brochures & Service Manuals on Naks.com Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Tue Jan 21 16:13:42 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 17:13:42 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1 Message-ID: I have a Cassette Deck One, and I enjoy it thoroughly. I had to replace the substandard Masushita capstan motor on it when I got it, but apart from that it is an excellent recorder and especially playback machine, due to the manual PB azimuth adjustment. The Cassette Deck series have a particularly natural, uncoloured tonality. Physically, it has a better than average resistance to scratches/abrasions, not that one should test this on a Nak or anyone else important in your life! Compared with other Naks? In my personal experience, it is less analytical than the 480Z, but has a more cohesive and powerful sound, particularly in the bass. The 682 ZX pips it slightly with better frequency extremes, more noticable in the treble, but only really noticable if you have a critical ear and demanding music. Use good tape stock with it, and preferably new tapes for recording. TDK MA, SA and SA-X would be my favourites with this deck, calibration - wise. No problems however will be encountered using Maxell XLII, indeed it's close to SA-X for deamnding classical and jazz pieces. Good luck with your new Cass Deck 1. Marc >>> lklein4 at ameritech.net 01/21/03 04:47PM >>> My brother recently gave me his "old" Nak Cassette Deck 1. I have been playing with it for several days now and am quite happy with its performance. Is there anything I should be aware of or careful of with this unit. How does it compare to other Nak decks for performance etc. The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From sandorpistike at hotmail.com Tue Jan 21 16:25:18 2003 From: sandorpistike at hotmail.com (Sndor Istvn) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 16:25:18 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Brochures & Service Manuals on Naks.com Message-ID: Hello Robert, here you are: http://support.naks.com/support Istv�n >From: "Robert Zabokrtsky" >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Brochures & Service Manuals on Naks.com >Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 10:15:22 -0500 > _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "Robert Zabokrtsky" Subject: [naktalk] Brochures & Service Manuals on Naks.com Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 10:15:22 -0500 Size: 3205 URL: From lklein4 at ameritech.net Tue Jan 21 17:47:52 2003 From: lklein4 at ameritech.net (John Klein) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 11:47:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1 References: Message-ID: <001201c2c16c$d75536f0$6601a8c0@hp> thanks for your reply... I ordered Maxell MX-S, XL-IIS and MS-90 to try with this unit. So far-so good...haven't decided which I like the best. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hugo" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1 > I have a Cassette Deck One, and I enjoy it thoroughly. I had to replace the substandard Masushita capstan motor on it when I got it, but apart from that it is an excellent recorder and especially playback machine, due to the manual PB azimuth adjustment. > > The Cassette Deck series have a particularly natural, uncoloured tonality. Physically, it has a better than average resistance to scratches/abrasions, not that one should test this on a Nak or anyone else important in your life! > > Compared with other Naks? In my personal experience, it is less analytical than the 480Z, but has a more cohesive and powerful sound, particularly in the bass. The 682 ZX pips it slightly with better frequency extremes, more noticable in the treble, but only really noticable if you have a critical ear and demanding music. > > Use good tape stock with it, and preferably new tapes for recording. TDK MA, SA and SA-X would be my favourites with this deck, calibration - wise. No problems however will be encountered using Maxell XLII, indeed it's close to SA-X for deamnding classical and jazz pieces. > > Good luck with your new Cass Deck 1. > > Marc > > > >>> lklein4 at ameritech.net 01/21/03 04:47PM >>> > My brother recently gave me his "old" Nak Cassette Deck 1. I have been playing with it for several days now and am quite happy with its performance. Is there anything I should be aware of or careful of with this unit. How does it compare to other Nak decks for performance etc. > > The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject > to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more > attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the > named recipient/s. > > If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose > or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. > If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to > this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. > > All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present > in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising > from the use of this email or attachments. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Jan 21 18:35:48 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 00:35:48 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201E69@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <007a01c2c173$cee35540$70299bca@smarzuki> Tom, sorry for the late response ! Yes that was the 482 next to me .. my entry to the world of 'real nak'. It's not difficult to install the well light, just connect the 6V (12?) bulb in parallel to meter light, the only important thing is to get the angle right so that it won't light up back of cassette =) I also added another meter light in the middle of the long 'bar'. So many bulbs and much time to kill I believe ... I was also thinking of adding backlight to BX well, but we need to cut a hole in the middle of plate and I can only imagine the messy amateurish work of me there ! I just replaced a lamp on CR5 and it seems easy to add BX lamp as the 12V connection is already provided on the motor pcb back there. Good luck ! Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 4:27 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) My 482Z is with Stephen. It's his now, I sold it for parts. I remember the photograph of you on Bleus' Nakmarathon tape webpage, is the 482 you're standing next to? BTW is it dificult to add a door well light on the 480 series and BX300 units? Regards Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Salim Marzuki [mailto:smarzuki at indosat.net.id] From sandorpistike at hotmail.com Tue Jan 21 19:34:11 2003 From: sandorpistike at hotmail.com (Sndor Istvn) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 19:34:11 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Support-page Message-ID: Hello all, something bad happened to the support-page? I cannot reach it, the name/password dragon/dragon does not work. Has anything changed, or I simpli forget something? Thank you in advance for your answer. Istv�n _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From kannan_s at vsnl.com Tue Jan 21 19:48:54 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 00:18:54 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Regarding Directors Loan - From Saga Message-ID: <20030121184854.CCB5111492A@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Tue Jan 21 19:58:42 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 00:28:42 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Sorry for the directing my office mails to Naktalk Message-ID: <20030121185842.43D7A114911@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jan 21 20:06:55 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 19:06:55 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 versus Revox B-215 In-Reply-To: <004f01c2c11a$45706720$52299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <002701c2c180$43765b80$11d0193e@oemcomputer> The Revox has just arrived ... and there's gonna be a fight! Revox looks in reasonable condition nick except the glass cover for the recording level meter appears to have been broken in transit. Otherwise, not as smart as the ZX-9. I'll post my subjective findings once I've had a chance to settle the new arrival in. However, initial listening suggests ... the Revox replays Dolby C recordings made on the ZX-9 BETTER than on the ZX-9 - seemingly clearer sound, slightly more detail ... More later ... Gra' --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/03 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From imemine2 at worldnet.att.net Tue Jan 21 20:59:39 2003 From: imemine2 at worldnet.att.net (J Chojnowski) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 14:59:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Support-page References: Message-ID: <3E2DA6AB.4159F2E3@worldnet.att.net> Istvan: The name is wrong, password correct, use naktalk for name joe C "S�ndor Istv�n" wrote: Hello all, something bad happened to the support-page? I cannot reach it, the name/password dragon/dragon does not work. From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jan 21 22:24:20 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 21:24:20 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 versus Revox B-215 In-Reply-To: <002701c2c180$43765b80$11d0193e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <003d01c2c193$760b4ac0$11d0193e@oemcomputer> Had more time to compare. I'm thinking the ReVox may need a service. That's not to say it sounds bad - it doesn't. However, what I first thought was "seemingly clearer sound, slightly more detail ..." now appears to be a sight lift in treble. What did I do? I played a CD and recorded only both Revox and ZX-9, then replayed switching between both decks and the original CD. Yes, this isn't very scientific, I know! It's just subjective. Even so ... This is NOT what I expected! Indeed, I found the recording made on the ZX-9 sounded (to my ear) to be closer to the original than the recording on the B-215. BTW, I was using TDK SA and Dolby C encoding. Bare in mind, according to the guy I bought it off, the ZX-9 is not a standard "factory tuned" model but had been modified when it was last serviced by Transtec. I shall now have the ReVox serviced and see if that makes any difference. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of Graham Nelson Sent: 21 January 2003 19:07 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 versus Revox B-215 The Revox has just arrived ... and there's gonna be a fight! Revox looks in reasonable condition nick except the glass cover for the recording level meter appears to have been broken in transit. Otherwise, not as smart as the ZX-9. I'll post my subjective findings once I've had a chance to settle the new arrival in. However, initial listening suggests ... the Revox replays Dolby C recordings made on the ZX-9 BETTER than on the ZX-9 - seemingly clearer sound, slightly more detail ... More later ... Gra' --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/03 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Modernizy at netscape.net Tue Jan 21 22:31:00 2003 From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 16:31:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalkers (In a global sense) Message-ID: <3B4F37B0.50CA3FDA.026D48C1@netscape.net> Hello, Mr.Blues and other Naktalkers, Please forgive me for being one of the last in the queue for Naktalk database... Nicholas Gornostayev, 32, Moscow, The Russian Federation. My Nak collection is not large but tasty: 700TriTracer, CR-7, ZX-9, NR-200, & T-100 + a small gadget called DM-10. With the very best wishes to all Naktalkers all over the world, Nicholas. __________________________________________________________________ The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Tue Jan 21 23:54:33 2003 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 14:54:33 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalkers (In a global sense) References: <3B4F37B0.50CA3FDA.026D48C1@netscape.net> Message-ID: <3E2DCFA8.B4664152@earthlink.net> I've been surprised to learn that you guys are younger than I expected. Not that it matters, but I expected most of you to be in your 50s and possibly 60s. Seems that most of us are in our 30s and 40s. Interesting. I had one more idea for the data base. I'd love to have a face to go with the names of all you NakTalkers. Is there any interest in uploading a photo of each NakTalker, taken with his beloved Nakamichi equipment? I realize this could create a bandwidth issue for KJ and the database but I thought I would throw the idea out to you and see what you think. Jim Volpatti Nakless in San Francisco Nick wrote: > Hello, Mr.Blues and other Naktalkers, > > Please forgive me for being one of the last in the queue for Naktalk database... > > Nicholas Gornostayev, 32, Moscow, The Russian Federation. > > My Nak collection is not large but tasty: 700TriTracer, CR-7, ZX-9, NR-200, & T-100 + a small gadget called DM-10. > > With the very best wishes to all Naktalkers all over the world, > > Nicholas. > > __________________________________________________________________ > The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp > > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Wed Jan 22 00:02:56 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 10:02:56 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalkers (In a global sense) Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201E81@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Jim I think KJ has some of our photos on his website. The address is http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html If you see my photo just keep any young ones away, they may have nightmares :) Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Jim Volpatti [mailto:jvolpatti at earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, 22 January 2003 9:55 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: NakTalkers (In a global sense) I've been surprised to learn that you guys are younger than I expected. Not that it matters, but I expected most of you to be in your 50s and possibly 60s. Seems that most of us are in our 30s and 40s. Interesting. I had one more idea for the data base. I'd love to have a face to go with the names of all you NakTalkers. Is there any interest in uploading a photo of each NakTalker, taken with his beloved Nakamichi equipment? I realize this could create a bandwidth issue for KJ and the database but I thought I would throw the idea out to you and see what you think. Jim Volpatti Nakless in San Francisco Nick wrote: > Hello, Mr.Blues and other Naktalkers, > > Please forgive me for being one of the last in the queue for Naktalk database... > > Nicholas Gornostayev, 32, Moscow, The Russian Federation. > > My Nak collection is not large but tasty: 700TriTracer, CR-7, ZX-9, NR-200, & T-100 + a small gadget called DM-10. > > With the very best wishes to all Naktalkers all over the world, > > Nicholas. > > __________________________________________________________________ > The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp > > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Wed Jan 22 00:11:22 2003 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 15:11:22 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalkers (In a global sense) References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201E81@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <3E2DD39A.4F91D98C@earthlink.net> LOL Great. Maybe KJ could include those photos with the database. Anyone interested in adding theirs? Jim Volpatti Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > Jim I think KJ has some of our photos on his website. The address is > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html > > If you see my photo just keep any young ones away, they may have > nightmares :) > > Regards Tom Siomopoulos. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Volpatti [mailto:jvolpatti at earthlink.net] > Sent: Wednesday, 22 January 2003 9:55 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: NakTalkers (In a global sense) > > I've been surprised to learn that you guys are younger than I expected. Not > that it matters, but I expected most of > you to be in your 50s and possibly 60s. Seems that most of us are in our 30s > and 40s. Interesting. > > I had one more idea for the data base. I'd love to have a face to go with > the names of all you NakTalkers. Is there > any interest in uploading a photo of each NakTalker, taken with his beloved > Nakamichi equipment? I realize this could > create a bandwidth issue for KJ and the database but I thought I would throw > the idea out to you and see what you > think. > > Jim Volpatti > Nakless in San Francisco From vvinodk at hotmail.com Wed Jan 22 04:06:35 2003 From: vvinodk at hotmail.com (Vinod Kumar) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 03:06:35 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalkers (In a global sense) Message-ID: Looks like I'm the last one... Dragon, ZXE, CA1, PA1, RM-20, SP7, DM10 Vinod >From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: NakTalkers (In a global sense) >Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 16:31:00 -0500 > >Hello, Mr.Blues and other Naktalkers, > >Please forgive me for being one of the last in the queue for Naktalk >database... > >Nicholas Gornostayev, 32, Moscow, The Russian Federation. > >My Nak collection is not large but tasty: 700TriTracer, CR-7, ZX-9, NR-200, >& T-100 + a small gadget called DM-10. > >With the very best wishes to all Naktalkers all over the world, > >Nicholas. > >__________________________________________________________________ >The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! >http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp > >Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at >http://webmail.netscape.com/ >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From bgdickel at paradise.net.nz Wed Jan 22 05:26:50 2003 From: bgdickel at paradise.net.nz (Brett Dickel) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 17:26:50 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalkers (In a global sense) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030122172547.02163540@pop3.paradise.net.nz> I might be the last: CR-7 and residing in Dunedin, New Zealand. At 03:06 22/01/03 +0000, you wrote: >Looks like I'm the last one... > >Dragon, ZXE, CA1, PA1, RM-20, SP7, DM10 > >Vinod > > >>From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) >>Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: NakTalkers (In a global sense) >>Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 16:31:00 -0500 >> >>Hello, Mr.Blues and other Naktalkers, >> >>Please forgive me for being one of the last in the queue for Naktalk >>database... >> >>Nicholas Gornostayev, 32, Moscow, The Russian Federation. >> >>My Nak collection is not large but tasty: 700TriTracer, CR-7, ZX-9, >>NR-200, & T-100 + a small gadget called DM-10. >> >>With the very best wishes to all Naktalkers all over the world, >> >>Nicholas. >> >>__________________________________________________________________ >>The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! >>http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp >> >>Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at >>http://webmail.netscape.com/ >>========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>To maintain your account please go here: >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > bgdickel at paradise.net.nz http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/bgdickel/brett.htm From kannan_s at vsnl.com Wed Jan 22 05:56:52 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 10:26:52 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalkers (In a global sense Message-ID: <20030122045652.C16751149CC@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Wed Jan 22 09:10:07 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 10:10:07 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense)Data for KJ Bleus Message-ID: Hi Mr Blues, Herewith information for your database. I am Marc Hugo, 44, an HR Manager for two Casino and Hotel resorts (Thaba Nchu Sun and Naledi Sun). It is in the Free State Province in South Africa. I live on site at Thaba Nchu Sun. Geographically, the exact position is: 29 degrees 17 minutes 0 seconds East 26 degrees 53 minutes 1 second South Physically, it is 65 km east of Bloemfontein on the N8 to Lesotho. For naktalkers who might be in the area, it's well worth a visit and features a beautiful hotel, elegant casino, African plains/mountain scenery/lake and a superb game reserve. However all nakkers are personally invited to stay with me ..... much more festive and of course better music!! My first component cassette deck was an Alpage AL-50, which I have to this day. I recorded music from FM radio and LPs borrowed from a commercial record library. This deck was and remains a very nice sounding deck with superb metering and a rock solid transport, albeit single capstan. Amongst other cassette decks (Pioneer, TASCAM, Aiwa, NAD, JVC, Technics etc) I have three Naks - they are, in order of acquisition: 1. Cassette Deck 1 Nov 2000 (immaculate in every respect) 2. 682 ZX /RM 200 April 2001 (very low km, swopped for a well used but clean CR-4) 3. 480Z August 2002 (very nice, blemish free condition) In the last year, I have been more concerned with developing a good stock of blank cassette media, having noticed that decent tapes are disappearing faster from the shelves than are the availability of good second-hand cassette decks. I have experimented both with CD-R, Minidisc and DCC, but for various reasons remain committed to the cassette medium and intend to be so into the future. Thanks Mr Blues - if there's anything else you need, just say so. Regards, Marc The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From nicy at ya.com Wed Jan 22 10:11:05 2003 From: nicy at ya.com (JGascon) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 10:11:05 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalkers (In a global sense) References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030122172547.02163540@pop3.paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <001c01c2c1f6$32144520$8f2b3b50@PcComunero> These are my details for the database: I live in Spain and I think I´m the only Naktalker here. I have owned a Dragon, CR-7E, CR-2E, CR-5E and DR-2E. Now my only Nak is a CR-4E and I´m thinking of purchasin a ZX-7 or ZX-9. Javier. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brett Dickel" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 5:26 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: NakTalkers (In a global sense) > I might be the last: > > CR-7 > > and residing in Dunedin, New Zealand. > > > At 03:06 22/01/03 +0000, you wrote: > > >Looks like I'm the last one... > > > >Dragon, ZXE, CA1, PA1, RM-20, SP7, DM10 > > > >Vinod > > > > > >>From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) > >>Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > >>To: naktalk at naks.com > >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: NakTalkers (In a global sense) > >>Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 16:31:00 -0500 > >> > >>Hello, Mr.Blues and other Naktalkers, > >> > >>Please forgive me for being one of the last in the queue for Naktalk > >>database... > >> > >>Nicholas Gornostayev, 32, Moscow, The Russian Federation. > >> > >>My Nak collection is not large but tasty: 700TriTracer, CR-7, ZX-9, > >>NR-200, & T-100 + a small gadget called DM-10. > >> > >>With the very best wishes to all Naktalkers all over the world, > >> > >>Nicholas. > >> > >>__________________________________________________________________ > >>The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! > >>http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp > >> > >>Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at > >>http://webmail.netscape.com/ > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ ========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>To maintain your account please go here: > >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ ========= > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. > >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >To maintain your account please go here: > >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > > > > > > bgdickel at paradise.net.nz > http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/bgdickel/brett.htm > From lklein4 at ameritech.net Wed Jan 22 12:39:14 2003 From: lklein4 at ameritech.net (John Klein) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 06:39:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense)Data for KJ Bleus References: Message-ID: <000e01c2c20a$e3d761c0$6601a8c0@hp> Mr. Blues There are several sites on the internet that are sources of cassette tapes. I have found https://www.totalmedia.com to be particularly usefull John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hugo" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 3:10 AM Subject: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense)Data for KJ Bleus > Hi Mr Blues, > > Herewith information for your database. > > I am Marc Hugo, 44, an HR Manager for two Casino and Hotel resorts (Thaba Nchu Sun and Naledi Sun). It is in the Free State Province in South Africa. > > I live on site at Thaba Nchu Sun. Geographically, the exact position is: > > 29 degrees 17 minutes 0 seconds East > 26 degrees 53 minutes 1 second South > > Physically, it is 65 km east of Bloemfontein on the N8 to Lesotho. For naktalkers who might be in the area, it's well worth a visit and features a beautiful hotel, elegant casino, African plains/mountain scenery/lake and a superb game reserve. However all nakkers are personally invited to stay with me ..... much more festive and of course better music!! > > My first component cassette deck was an Alpage AL-50, which I have to this day. I recorded music from FM radio and LPs borrowed from a commercial record library. This deck was and remains a very nice sounding deck with superb metering and a rock solid transport, albeit single capstan. > > Amongst other cassette decks (Pioneer, TASCAM, Aiwa, NAD, JVC, Technics etc) I have three Naks - they are, in order of acquisition: > > 1. Cassette Deck 1 Nov 2000 (immaculate in every respect) > 2. 682 ZX /RM 200 April 2001 (very low km, swopped for a well used but clean CR-4) > 3. 480Z August 2002 (very nice, blemish free condition) > > In the last year, I have been more concerned with developing a good stock of blank cassette media, having noticed that decent tapes are disappearing faster from the shelves than are the availability of good second-hand cassette decks. > > I have experimented both with CD-R, Minidisc and DCC, but for various reasons remain committed to the cassette medium and intend to be so into the future. > > Thanks Mr Blues - if there's anything else you need, just say so. > > Regards, > > Marc > > > > > The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject > to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more > attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the > named recipient/s. > > If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose > or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. > If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to > this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. > > All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present > in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising > from the use of this email or attachments. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From lklein4 at ameritech.net Wed Jan 22 12:47:39 2003 From: lklein4 at ameritech.net (John Klein) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 06:47:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Mark Hugo - purchasing cassettes Message-ID: <001701c2c20c$109f0bd0$6601a8c0@hp> Mark, You can find sources of tapes on the internet. One of the vendors that i have found usefull is https://www.totalmedia.com, I recently was given a Cassette Deck 1 by my brother....it is a marvelous machine. John Klein -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lklein4 at ameritech.net Wed Jan 22 12:50:58 2003 From: lklein4 at ameritech.net (John Klein) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 06:50:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Mark Hugo Message-ID: <002401c2c20c$87860aa0$6601a8c0@hp> There are several vendors for cassette tapes on the internet. One that I have found usefull is called totalmedia.com. I also have a Cassette Deck 1, it is a wonderful unit. John Klein -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From j.soulantikas at chello.nl Wed Jan 22 13:23:04 2003 From: j.soulantikas at chello.nl (Jannis) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 13:23:04 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] In a global sense Message-ID: <001c01c2c211$0334f4f0$57c33850@computer1> Ok here i am I come from Greece. I live in Holland (26 km, from the Dutch Naks guru, mr.Ton van der Hof , (lucky me). I own a 582, BX -300, CR-4 and two CR-7 (one is without remote control). -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From roy.svensson at hdk.gu.se Wed Jan 22 14:45:47 2003 From: roy.svensson at hdk.gu.se (roy.svensson at hdk.gu.se) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 14:45:47 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense)Data for KJ Bleus In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3E2EAE9B.31007.BA0B7A9@localhost> Hello Mr. Bleus and all Naktalkers Here is one more! My name is Roy Svensson, I am 55 years old, and I live in Goteborg, Sweden. I bought my 700tri tracer new in 1976 and still have it, in later years I have added a dragon, a 581 and a BX 125. Roy From pasec at relex.ru Wed Jan 22 15:23:48 2003 From: pasec at relex.ru (Pavel V. Pasechnik) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 17:23:48 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Maxell MS tapes References: <3E2EAE9B.31007.BA0B7A9@localhost> Message-ID: <015401c2c221$e139dc10$e405a8c0@relex.ru> Hi, All! Does anybody use Maxell MS cassettes? Pavel. From vzimakov at mtu-net.ru Wed Jan 22 16:21:23 2003 From: vzimakov at mtu-net.ru (Vladimir) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 18:21:23 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense)Data for KJ Bleus Message-ID: <1764.030122@mtu-net.ru> Hello Nak Talkers I also want to participate in the Database. Vladimir Zimakov, 36 years old, Moscow, Russia My lifetime Nakamichies since 1989 DRAGON (was bought new) CR-7 (sold, was bought new) 1000-II (used) ZX-9 (used,under restoration (orange caps) nowdays) I also owned and tested and repaired other models : 480,482,582,600,670,700 Tri Tracer,DR-2,LX-3,LX-5,BX1,BX2,BX100,BX125,BX150,DR series . In my opinion Best sounding machines: 1000 (II), 700 (II). Best ergonomic and features: DRAGON Best design: bulletproof Revox B710. (-: Best regards, Vladimir mailto:vzimakov at mtu-net.ru From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Jan 22 16:56:17 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 10:56:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Orange cap manual by Kannan online! References: <200301210422_MC3-1-25A9-D9D2@compuserve.com> Message-ID: <3E2EBF21.EFD61A7F@rcn.com> Very well done article by Kannan. I have a question for those that have suffered from (and conquered) the Orange Cap Disease. What is the failure mode of the capacitors? Do they slowly develop the problem over time, ot do they abruptly fail one fine day? IOW, does it make sense to forestall the disease by simply replacing every orange cap in the deck, once and for all, or is it safe to wait for a problem to develop, knowing that all is fine as long as no problem is apparent? -- Ron Compudude wrote: > > Orange cap manual by Kannan is very nicely done. I personally can't think > of anything more to add. > > By the way, I am surprised to see at least 3 people who responded to the > database are from San Francisco/Bay Area. I grew up in Istanbul/Turkey and > I am in the SF/Bay Area since 1988. > > Back in Turkey, my "dream deck" was the Akai GX-F90. Forget the Naks, I > could only afford the low-end Akai CS-F11then. On a trip to Japan in 1989 I > bought an A&D GX-Z9000 (same as Akai GX-8) and got only the brochures of > Dragon/CR-70 decks (still too expensive). > And then I discovered cassette-decks on e-bay, which eventually lead me to > naktalk. I collected a bunch of decks, including a 700zxe (orange-caps > recently replaced), a Dragon and not to mention a couple of GX-F90's. Other > stuff include an Aiwa XK-S9000, Pioneer CT-A9, Sony TC-177SD (another old > time favourite) and a Sony DTC-ZA5 DAT deck. > > Regards, > _Fuad > > >>>>>>>>> > Kannan wrote a great document on the Orange cap replacement! > A few minutes ago i've converted it to html and placed it online for you > all to look at: > > http://support.naks.com/orange/ > > I want to thank Kannan for this great (starting) contribution to this > 'project' ! > > Also thanks to Fuad for sending pictures of his 700zxe orange cap > replacement, i will add those to the site also, but have to think of a > way to combine all these pictures and future pictures (that also i will > be making of my soldering activity). > > I also want to encourage all who also have this 'orange cap' knowledge > to look at the document and write additions that can be added or placed > next to it.. i don't know yet, we can all decide and suggestions are > welcome! > > Enjoy! > > Wouter > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Jan 22 18:27:46 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 00:27:46 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Orange cap manual by Kannan online! References: <200301210422_MC3-1-25A9-D9D2@compuserve.com> <3E2EBF21.EFD61A7F@rcn.com> Message-ID: <001201c2c23b$b01636a0$08299bca@smarzuki> First of all, great job, Kannan ! I just printed it yesterday and the pictures are very clear. Ron, in my experience the ones on bias circuit fails just like that. (most likely on a fine day :-) But the ones on dolby circuit caused a buzz which grew louder. Same with caps in test tone area. I'm surprised to see orange caps still used in large quantity inside cr5, but almost none on cr4. Usually I'll wait until one gets sick, then replace them all while the cover is still opened. I once replaced bias caps on 482 - which failed the very next day, seems like the voltage rating required is quite high. However, the remaining orange caps inside that 482 were still working good until this day. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 10:56 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Orange cap manual by Kannan online! Very well done article by Kannan. I have a question for those that have suffered from (and conquered) the Orange Cap Disease. What is the failure mode of the capacitors? Do they slowly develop the problem over time, ot do they abruptly fail one fine day? IOW, does it make sense to forestall the disease by simply replacing every orange cap in the deck, once and for all, or is it safe to wait for a problem to develop, knowing that all is fine as long as no problem is apparent? -- Ron Compudude wrote: > > Orange cap manual by Kannan is very nicely done. I personally can't think > of anything more to add. > From lklein4 at ameritech.net Wed Jan 22 18:31:58 2003 From: lklein4 at ameritech.net (John Klein) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 12:31:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Pavel V. Pasechnik re:Maxell MS tapes Message-ID: <001d01c2c23c$2acab830$6601a8c0@hp> Hi, I just purchased Maxel MS-90, MX-S and XLII-S tapes for a try with my "new" Cassette Deck 1. The MS-90 and MX-S are very good..haven't tried the XLII-S yet. John Klein -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Wed Jan 22 19:47:51 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 00:17:51 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Orange cap manual by Kannan online! Message-ID: <20030122184751.6FA58114910@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Wed Jan 22 20:47:06 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 01:17:06 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] In a global sense Message-ID: <20030122194706.0EAFA114920@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From vzimakov at mtu-net.ru Wed Jan 22 19:01:00 2003 From: vzimakov at mtu-net.ru (Vladimir) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 21:01:00 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Orange cap manual by Kannan online! In-Reply-To: <3E2EBF21.EFD61A7F@rcn.com> References: <3E2EBF21.EFD61A7F@rcn.com> Message-ID: <8875.030122@mtu-net.ru> Hello Ron, I had several decks, suffered from "orange disease". Bias and Erase generator was blown up suddenly and absolutely in two LX-3 and one ZX-9. Also several switching transistors in ZX9 were blown up. So in both LX-3 I replaced all caps in generator, and all tranzistors, in ZX-9 caps/gen transistors/switching transistors. Not all transistors and caps in generator were bad, One orange cap looks like opened cirquit and all the others(in other decks) were short. All other orange caps (in low voltage cirquits looks great and works good). Regards, Vladimir. среда, 22 января 2003, you wrote to me: R> Very well done article by Kannan. R> I have a question for those that have suffered from (and R> conquered) the Orange Cap Disease. What is the failure mode R> of the capacitors? Do they slowly develop the problem over R> time, ot do they abruptly fail one fine day? R> IOW, does it make sense to forestall the disease by simply R> replacing every orange cap in the deck, once and for all, R> or is it safe to wait for a problem to develop, knowing R> that all is fine as long as no problem is apparent? R> -- Ron R> Compudude wrote: >> >> Orange cap manual by Kannan is very nicely done. I personally can't think >> of anything more to add. >> >> By the way, I am surprised to see at least 3 people who responded to the >> database are from San Francisco/Bay Area. I grew up in Istanbul/Turkey and >> I am in the SF/Bay Area since 1988. >> >> Back in Turkey, my "dream deck" was the Akai GX-F90. Forget the Naks, I >> could only afford the low-end Akai CS-F11then. On a trip to Japan in 1989 I >> bought an A&D GX-Z9000 (same as Akai GX-8) and got only the brochures of >> Dragon/CR-70 decks (still too expensive). >> And then I discovered cassette-decks on e-bay, which eventually lead me to >> naktalk. I collected a bunch of decks, including a 700zxe (orange-caps >> recently replaced), a Dragon and not to mention a couple of GX-F90's. Other >> stuff include an Aiwa XK-S9000, Pioneer CT-A9, Sony TC-177SD (another old >> time favourite) and a Sony DTC-ZA5 DAT deck. >> >> Regards, >> _Fuad >> >> >>>>>>>>> >> Kannan wrote a great document on the Orange cap replacement! >> A few minutes ago i've converted it to html and placed it online for you >> all to look at: >> >> http://support.naks.com/orange/ >> >> I want to thank Kannan for this great (starting) contribution to this >> 'project' ! >> >> Also thanks to Fuad for sending pictures of his 700zxe orange cap >> replacement, i will add those to the site also, but have to think of a >> way to combine all these pictures and future pictures (that also i will >> be making of my soldering activity). >> >> I also want to encourage all who also have this 'orange cap' knowledge >> to look at the document and write additions that can be added or placed >> next to it.. i don't know yet, we can all decide and suggestions are >> welcome! >> >> Enjoy! >> >> Wouter >> ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= R> ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= R> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist R> To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk R> ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Best regards, Vladimir mailto:vzimakov at mtu-net.ru From wheijke at xs4all.nl Wed Jan 22 21:17:02 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 21:17:02 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Tom van der Hof References: <20030122194706.0EAFA114920@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <3E2EFC3D.DBCD1BC6@xs4all.nl> Kannan, I met him several times, he has been working at the Dutch company Transtec, Nakamichi distributer, since the days 'our' Naks were on sale in the shops. He is like a wizard, works very fast (if he lets you sit next to him to watch him apply his wizzardy on your Nak at all), and apparently has made modifications to decks. He did this to my Dragon. When i brought it to him it had the AA unit missing (!!!!) and almost everything was not functioning... He revamped the unit and it was working perfectly! Only now the idler rubber has dried up so it won't play anymore... I've seen him replace the idler rubber on my ZX7 without dismantling the whole cassette assembly, this is very costly reapair, so he made a special tool to place just the rubber without replacing the whole idler... There is more, but i forgot... Wouter kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > hI did you by any chance to meet this Van der hof and any experiences that you can share with Naktalkers? > Kannan > > j.soulantikas at chello.nl wrote > Ok here i am > I come from Greece. > I live in Holland (26 km, from the Dutch Naks guru, mr.Ton van der Hof , (lucky me). > I own a 582, BX -300, CR-4 and two CR-7 (one is without remote control). > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Wed Jan 22 22:03:58 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 08:03:58 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Pavel V. Pasechnik re:Maxell MS tapes Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201E83@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi John. I'll bet when you record some music on the XLII-S you will notice a much stronger treble in the recordings compared to the MS/MX-S. Overall the Maxells are just great. Still have a bunch from the 70's and they still record just beautifully. The other day I recorded some music onto a Maxell UD-90 built in 77 (I think) on my RX505, and it still gave the WOW factor. Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: John Klein [mailto:lklein4 at ameritech.net] Sent: Thursday, 23 January 2003 4:32 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Pavel V. Pasechnik re:Maxell MS tapes Hi, I just purchased Maxel MS-90, MX-S and XLII-S tapes for a try with my "new" Cassette Deck 1. The MS-90 and MX-S are very good..haven't tried the XLII-S yet. John Klein -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Wed Jan 22 22:45:34 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 08:45:34 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Maxell MS tapes Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201E85@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Pavel. Yes I do (among many other makes and models). In fact I just finished recording some music on an Maxell MX-S 90 the other day using my RX505 and my Highcom II noise reduction unit, the results, simply "jaw dropping" fantastic. The tape has no drop outs at all, the case feels so smooth (smoother than my son's butt.....ok guys he's only 2 years old and only know how his butt feels because I have to change his nappies from time to time), and well constructed. Pity I only bought the last 4 60 min from a local music store, I cannot find them anymore in Australia :( As a result I use these tape only for the best recordings. Hope this helps you out Pavel. Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Pavel V. Pasechnik [mailto:pasec at relex.ru] Sent: Thursday, 23 January 2003 1:24 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Maxell MS tapes Hi, All! Does anybody use Maxell MS cassettes? Pavel. ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From vvinodk at hotmail.com Wed Jan 22 23:39:23 2003 From: vvinodk at hotmail.com (Vinod Kumar) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 22:39:23 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalkers (In a global sense Message-ID: Oops... forgot to mention my geographical location. I'm based in Grand Rapids, Michigan. Got into this collection habit 5 years ago. Have basic knowledge about electronics in general (I can solder too :-) ). Vinod >From: kannan_s at vsnl.com >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: NakTalkers (In a global sense >Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 10:26:52 +0530 (IST) > >I think plenty of people still out there who had not explicitly stated to >be in the database. However the most important information Mr Blues wanted >is the geographical location of the Naktalker - some people have missed to >state that? > > I can add my personal info here for the database as I have not done it >yet. >Location - Bangalore , India ( temporarily in US bay area) >Nak Collection - CR7, Dragon, BX300, 582, 480 and CD player 2 >wish to add - 1000ZXL >Got involved in Nakamichi collection about 12 years back when I bought a >BX1 and collected a service manual to set right the idler problem! I had >built the Linseley Hood Cassette deck ( Wireless world 1976!) before that >and that gave me lot of insight in to electronic/ mechanical trouble >shooting of Naks. Enjoy listening to large number of cassettes recorded >some 15 to 18 years back on different machines. >Kannan > >bgdickel at paradise.net.nz wrote >I might be the last: > >CR-7 > >and residing in Dunedin, New Zealand. > > >At 03:06 22/01/03 +0000, you wrote: > > >Looks like I'm the last one... > > > >Dragon, ZXE, CA1, PA1, RM-20, SP7, DM10 > > > >Vinod > > > > > >>From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) > >>Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > >>To: naktalk at naks.com > >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: NakTalkers (In a global sense) > >>Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 16:31:00 -0500 > >> > >>Hello, Mr.Blues and other Naktalkers, > >> > >>Please forgive me for being one of the last in the queue for Naktalk > >>database... > >> > >>Nicholas Gornostayev, 32, Moscow, The Russian Federation. > >> > >>My Nak collection is not large but tasty: 700TriTracer, CR-7, ZX-9, > >>NR-200, & T-100 + a small gadget called DM-10. > >> > >>With the very best wishes to all Naktalkers all over the world, > >> > >>Nicholas. > >> > >>__________________________________________________________________ > >>The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! > >>http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp > >> > >>Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at > >>http://webmail.netscape.com/ > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>To maintain your account please go here: > >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. > >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >To maintain your account please go here: > >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > >bgdickel at paradise.net.nz >http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/bgdickel/brett.htm > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jan 22 23:51:25 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 22:51:25 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Tom van der Hof In-Reply-To: <3E2EFC3D.DBCD1BC6@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <006c01c2c268$cab45b40$11d0193e@oemcomputer> Apparently, it was this engineer who serviced my ZX-9 before I bought it. The modification he did ... I don't know exactly what. However, after the modification, the bias setting has to be raised one point on the scale above the factory recommended mark. My impression of my own ZX-9 is that it is the most accurate recorder I have yet heard in that I find it hard to distinguish original CD from the recording. I should have liked to have heard the ZX-9 before the van der Hof modification .. but I am told the difference is found in the top end, in that more detail is captured without losing the same in the bass or mid range. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Wouter Heijke > Sent: 22 January 2003 20:17 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Tom van der Hof > > > Kannan, > > I met him several times, he has been working at the Dutch company > Transtec, Nakamichi distributer, since the > days 'our' Naks were on sale in the shops. > He is like a wizard, works very fast (if he lets you sit next to > him to watch him apply his wizzardy on your > Nak at all), and apparently has made modifications to decks. He > did this to my Dragon. When i brought it to > him it had the AA unit missing (!!!!) and almost everything was > not functioning... He revamped the unit and > it was working perfectly! Only now the idler rubber has dried up > so it won't play anymore... > I've seen him replace the idler rubber on my ZX7 without > dismantling the whole cassette assembly, this is > very costly reapair, so he made a special tool to place just the > rubber without replacing the whole idler... > There is more, but i forgot... > > Wouter > > kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > > > hI did you by any chance to meet this Van der hof and any > experiences that you can share with Naktalkers? > > Kannan > > > > j.soulantikas at chello.nl wrote > > Ok here i am > > I come from Greece. > > I live in Holland (26 km, from the Dutch Naks guru, mr.Ton van > der Hof , (lucky me). > > I own a 582, BX -300, CR-4 and two CR-7 (one is without remote control). > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/03 From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu Jan 23 00:07:54 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 00:07:54 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Tom van der Hof References: <006c01c2c268$cab45b40$11d0193e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3E2F2449.1850C1C7@xs4all.nl> Well.. I noticed (at least) these changes on my Dragon when i got it back when he serviced it, never hat the opportunity to ask him exactly what he did.. Here are 2 pictures... maybe Naktalk-Technicians can unveil what the modification was all about, or can see if they have the same changes? http://support.naks.com/dragonmod/141-4168_IMG.JPG http://support.naks.com/dragonmod/141-4169_IMG.JPG I'm talking about the 3 tweakers he added that were most noticable for me. On request i can take more pictures of other parts. Wouter Graham Nelson wrote: > Apparently, it was this engineer who serviced my ZX-9 before I bought it. > The modification he did ... I don't know exactly what. However, after the > modification, the bias setting has to be raised one point on the scale above > the factory recommended mark. My impression of my own ZX-9 is that it is > the most accurate recorder I have yet heard in that I find it hard to > distinguish original CD from the recording. I should have liked to have > heard the ZX-9 before the van der Hof modification .. but I am told the > difference is found in the top end, in that more detail is captured without > losing the same in the bass or mid range. > > Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Wouter Heijke > > Sent: 22 January 2003 20:17 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] Tom van der Hof > > > > > > Kannan, > > > > I met him several times, he has been working at the Dutch company > > Transtec, Nakamichi distributer, since the > > days 'our' Naks were on sale in the shops. > > He is like a wizard, works very fast (if he lets you sit next to > > him to watch him apply his wizzardy on your > > Nak at all), and apparently has made modifications to decks. He > > did this to my Dragon. When i brought it to > > him it had the AA unit missing (!!!!) and almost everything was > > not functioning... He revamped the unit and > > it was working perfectly! Only now the idler rubber has dried up > > so it won't play anymore... > > I've seen him replace the idler rubber on my ZX7 without > > dismantling the whole cassette assembly, this is > > very costly reapair, so he made a special tool to place just the > > rubber without replacing the whole idler... > > There is more, but i forgot... > > > > Wouter > > > > kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > > > > > hI did you by any chance to meet this Van der hof and any > > experiences that you can share with Naktalkers? > > > Kannan > > > > > > j.soulantikas at chello.nl wrote > > > Ok here i am > > > I come from Greece. > > > I live in Holland (26 km, from the Dutch Naks guru, mr.Ton van > > der Hof , (lucky me). > > > I own a 582, BX -300, CR-4 and two CR-7 (one is without remote control). > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/03 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From stan.targowski at attbi.com Thu Jan 23 00:24:15 2003 From: stan.targowski at attbi.com (Stan Targowski) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 17:24:15 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Pavel V. Pasechnik re:Maxell MS tapes In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201E83@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: Tom, I have recorded on both XL-IIS and MX-S, and with either tape on a Nakamichi 4A (pre-calibrated for each) I get a recording almost undistinguishable from the original CD. Actually, I do push the Metal tape a little harder (+10 db peaks) vs.. chrome (+7db peaks), and thus the recording sounds little louder. With this in mind, when you say XL-IIS will give stronger treble, do you mean that it sounds brighter (as in under-biased?), or that you do lose some treble whilst recording on the MX-S? I have seen Maxell MS, and if my memory serves me right it had one of these cheaper shells as compared to the solid touch and feel of MX-S. Either way, I like both tapes, and agree with your other post about the case quality. Same here, I have a batch of 10 of these tapes (MX-S), plus another batch of tapes like BASF TP-IV(10), TDK MA-XG (3), TDK MA-X (3), TDK SM-X90 (20+), and SONY Metal Master (1) that I keep for these special moments. At this time, the only decent tapes I can buy locally are Maxell XL-II, and TDK MA (although the TDK's have pretty lousy shells, they just do not feel right.) Stan -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos Sent: Wed, January 22, 2003 3:04 PM To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Pavel V. Pasechnik re:Maxell MS tapes Hi John. I'll bet when you record some music on the XLII-S you will notice a much stronger treble in the recordings compared to the MS/MX-S. Overall the Maxells are just great. Still have a bunch from the 70's and they still record just beautifully. The other day I recorded some music onto a Maxell UD-90 built in 77 (I think) on my RX505, and it still gave the WOW factor. Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: John Klein [mailto:lklein4 at ameritech.net] Sent: Thursday, 23 January 2003 4:32 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Pavel V. Pasechnik re:Maxell MS tapes Hi, I just purchased Maxel MS-90, MX-S and XLII-S tapes for a try with my "new" Cassette Deck 1. The MS-90 and MX-S are very good..haven't tried the XLII-S yet. John Klein -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bluenote at bellsouth.net Thu Jan 23 00:38:20 2003 From: bluenote at bellsouth.net (Larry Williams) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 18:38:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) Message-ID: <9707A0FE-2E62-11D7-B50D-0003938F962C@bellsouth.net> Hi, Larry E. Williams 48 years old from Atlanta Georgia USA. I'm another lurker but I have a fascination with Nakamichi and cassette recorders in general. I have wanted a Nakamichi since the heydays of cassette recorders but always settled for lesser decks because of the expense. Decks that I currently own are: Dragon, LX-5, 700, 600, 500. Others are Yamaha KX1200U a B&O 9000 and a Pioneer CT-F9191 From kannan_s at vsnl.com Thu Jan 23 00:51:58 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 05:21:58 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Tom van der Hof Message-ID: <20030122235158.1E632114938@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... 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URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Jan 23 01:04:40 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 11:04:40 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Pavel V. Pasechnik re:Maxell MS tapes Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201E86@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Stan, I feel that the XLII-S is a little bright at times. Not a big problem for me because I can adjust the bias to suit me. I agree with you about the shell of the TDK, I'm not impressed with the latest releases, seems to me that TDK are concentrating on their efforts elsewhere. What is the Sony Metal master like. I'm after at least one of these (if anyone is selling please let me know). Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Stan Targowski [mailto:stan.targowski at attbi.com] Sent: Thursday, 23 January 2003 10:24 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Pavel V. Pasechnik re:Maxell MS tapes Tom, I have recorded on both XL-IIS and MX-S, and with either tape on a Nakamichi 4A (pre-calibrated for each) I get a recording almost undistinguishable from the original CD. Actually, I do push the Metal tape a little harder (+10 db peaks) vs.. chrome (+7db peaks), and thus the recording sounds little louder. With this in mind, when you say XL-IIS will give stronger treble, do you mean that it sounds brighter (as in under-biased?), or that you do lose some treble whilst recording on the MX-S? I have seen Maxell MS, and if my memory serves me right it had one of these cheaper shells as compared to the solid touch and feel of MX-S. Either way, I like both tapes, and agree with your other post about the case quality. Same here, I have a batch of 10 of these tapes (MX-S), plus another batch of tapes like BASF TP-IV(10), TDK MA-XG (3), TDK MA-X (3), TDK SM-X90 (20+), and SONY Metal Master (1) that I keep for these special moments. At this time, the only decent tapes I can buy locally are Maxell XL-II, and TDK MA (although the TDK's have pretty lousy shells, they just do not feel right.) Stan -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos Sent: Wed, January 22, 2003 3:04 PM To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Pavel V. Pasechnik re:Maxell MS tapes Hi John. I'll bet when you record some music on the XLII-S you will notice a much stronger treble in the recordings compared to the MS/MX-S. Overall the Maxells are just great. Still have a bunch from the 70's and they still record just beautifully. The other day I recorded some music onto a Maxell UD-90 built in 77 (I think) on my RX505, and it still gave the WOW factor. Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: John Klein [mailto:lklein4 at ameritech.net] Sent: Thursday, 23 January 2003 4:32 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Pavel V. Pasechnik re:Maxell MS tapes Hi, I just purchased Maxel MS-90, MX-S and XLII-S tapes for a try with my "new" Cassette Deck 1. The MS-90 and MX-S are very good..haven't tried the XLII-S yet. John Klein -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Jan 23 01:16:02 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 11:16:02 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 strange noise Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201E87@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Dorian. It sounds like it could be the idler wheel that sits between the two reel hubs. My ZX9 sometimes makes a vibrating sound just after it finishes rewinding or fast-forwarding and the machine has that brief split second pause before it decides to place the mechinics in the stop mode, that's when it does it. I've been told that this is normal and not to worry about it. In your case if it is doing the noise during the tape slack take-up motion, then it would need a service or a replacement of the rubber on the idler. It's worth doing on the ZX7 - great machine. Hope this helps Dorian. Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Dorian Dyer [mailto:dorian.dyer at digit6.com] Sent: Thursday, 23 January 2003 11:05 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 strange noise Hello everyone my recently acquired ZX-7 sometimes makes a strange noise and vibration when powering up with a tape inside or when closing the door with a tape inside. Sometimes it works right and it quietly spools the tape briefly after these procedures but most of the time it will not do the wind and it just makes a loud vibrating noise. Everything else seems OK. I am planning on servicing the deck but was wondering if anyone is familiar with this problem. Is it repairable and is it expensive? 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Alternatively, I have about 10 megabytes of free space on my BleuSwapper website allocation with Angelfire.Com (almost freebee hosting that has served me well for nearly five years), so I could easily host the project, at least for starters. We'll see what comes of this idea as time goes by. Regards, K.J. Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/Index.html ____________________________________________________________ Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus From blueswapper at angelfire.com Thu Jan 23 01:36:26 2003 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 16:36:26 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nak ZX-7 & Orange Cap Disease Message-ID: Dear friends - How about the ZX-7 and orange cap disease, I've not seen anyone complaining that their ZX-7 suffer this malady. I have a beaut ZX7, performs flawlessly, and no signs of the dreaded oranginess! Last summer August, when Michael DeWire opened up my ZX7 (what a learning experience for me when he tuned-up my Naks!), we didn't detect any orangies, but maybe I just didn't look closely. Perhaps we ZX-7 owners are the lucky ones ??? Too bad about the ZX-9s, they seem to be prone to these problems more than many other Nak decks. Why is that the case? Anyway, what advice can you guys offer to us. How about RX-505 decks, also susceptible to the mean orangies disease also? Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper ____________________________________________________________ Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Thu Jan 23 01:40:43 2003 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 01:40:43 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] NakTalk (In A Global Sense) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030123013851.00a68350@box.tin.it> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Thu Jan 23 02:11:37 2003 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 01:11:37 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] NakTalk (In A Global Sense) Message-ID: Hi Mr Bleus, Great idea of yours. Look forward to seeing it when completed. here's my data: Kelvin Lim, 33 years old, formerly of Sheffield (England, United Kingdom) but currently in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia (likely to make this change of address permanent!) with home Naks CR-7E, RX-505E, BX-300E and Cassette Deck 1.5 (all survived the move intact!), SP-7 headphones and in car Naks TD-700 (not used noe as tape loading gear broken and can't find replacement), Mobile Tuner Deck 1, CDC-101 CD changer and PA-300II power amps. Cheers to you all! >From: "The BlueSwapper" >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: naktalk at naks.com >CC: blueswapper at angelfire.com >Subject: [naktalk] NakTalk (In A Global Sense) >Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 16:25:19 -0800 > >Howdy Jim, et al..... > >Sure, we can work up some pages for NakTalker & gear photos. The Nak >Marathon Tape page can be a general guideline for the way we build another >set of dedicated pages. My proposal - I'll coordinate with Wouter to >determine whether the Naks.Com website can host the "NakTalk In A Global >Sense' project (database, maps(s), photos, mini-biogs, etc). I'm assuming >that you Nakkers would support the idea of having our project as a subset >of Naks.Com, but that is certainly a decision for Wouter. Alternatively, I >have about 10 megabytes of free space on my BleuSwapper website allocation >with Angelfire.Com (almost freebee hosting that has served me well for >nearly five years), so I could easily host the project, at least for >starters. We'll see what comes of this idea as time goes by. > >Regards, > >K.J. Bleus > >--- >Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? >http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/Index.html > > > > >____________________________________________________________ >Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! >Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with MSN Messenger http://messenger.msn.co.uk From stan.targowski at attbi.com Thu Jan 23 03:14:09 2003 From: stan.targowski at attbi.com (Stan Targowski) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 20:14:09 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Pavel V. Pasechnik re:Maxell MS tapes In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201E86@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: Tom, Metal Master feels very solid. I have tried recording a couple of songs and it sounds wonderful. I am keeping it for some extremely special occasion. Again, it is more for my collection. I think I paid around $8-9 US for the C-90 several years ago, and to be perfectly honest, if they were available today, I would probably add 1 or 2 for collection, but would not buy anymore at that price. Stan -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos Sent: Wed, January 22, 2003 6:05 PM To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Pavel V. Pasechnik re:Maxell MS tapes Stan, I feel that the XLII-S is a little bright at times. Not a big problem for me because I can adjust the bias to suit me. I agree with you about the shell of the TDK, I'm not impressed with the latest releases, seems to me that TDK are concentrating on their efforts elsewhere. What is the Sony Metal master like. I'm after at least one of these (if anyone is selling please let me know). Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Stan Targowski [mailto:stan.targowski at attbi.com] Sent: Thursday, 23 January 2003 10:24 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Pavel V. Pasechnik re:Maxell MS tapes Tom, I have recorded on both XL-IIS and MX-S, and with either tape on a Nakamichi 4A (pre-calibrated for each) I get a recording almost undistinguishable from the original CD. Actually, I do push the Metal tape a little harder (+10 db peaks) vs.. chrome (+7db peaks), and thus the recording sounds little louder. With this in mind, when you say XL-IIS will give stronger treble, do you mean that it sounds brighter (as in under-biased?), or that you do lose some treble whilst recording on the MX-S? I have seen Maxell MS, and if my memory serves me right it had one of these cheaper shells as compared to the solid touch and feel of MX-S. Either way, I like both tapes, and agree with your other post about the case quality. Same here, I have a batch of 10 of these tapes (MX-S), plus another batch of tapes like BASF TP-IV(10), TDK MA-XG (3), TDK MA-X (3), TDK SM-X90 (20+), and SONY Metal Master (1) that I keep for these special moments. At this time, the only decent tapes I can buy locally are Maxell XL-II, and TDK MA (although the TDK's have pretty lousy shells, they just do not feel right.) Stan -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos Sent: Wed, January 22, 2003 3:04 PM To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Pavel V. Pasechnik re:Maxell MS tapes Hi John. I'll bet when you record some music on the XLII-S you will notice a much stronger treble in the recordings compared to the MS/MX-S. Overall the Maxells are just great. Still have a bunch from the 70's and they still record just beautifully. The other day I recorded some music onto a Maxell UD-90 built in 77 (I think) on my RX505, and it still gave the WOW factor. Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: John Klein [mailto:lklein4 at ameritech.net] Sent: Thursday, 23 January 2003 4:32 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Pavel V. Pasechnik re:Maxell MS tapes Hi, I just purchased Maxel MS-90, MX-S and XLII-S tapes for a try with my "new" Cassette Deck 1. The MS-90 and MX-S are very good..haven't tried the XLII-S yet. John Klein -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Jan 23 04:00:28 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 22:00:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Orange cap manual by Kannan online! References: <20030122184751.6FA58114910@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <3E2F5ACC.736C7913@rcn.com> Thanks for all the replies. I already have a list of upgrades for my CR-7, to be done one day in the distant, undefined future. I will add full replacement of all orange caps to this. Hopefully, I will get to it before one of them actually fails. -- Ron From kannan_s at vsnl.com Thu Jan 23 05:00:54 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:30:54 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak ZX-7 & Orange Cap Disease Message-ID: <20030123040054.8AE9D11496D@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From hzl88 at msn.com Thu Jan 23 05:51:04 2003 From: hzl88 at msn.com (marc) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 23:51:04 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalkers (In a global sense) References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030122172547.02163540@pop3.paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <00f701c2c29b$0b377b20$4f2d1943@Marc> Nope, I'm probably last: Marc in NYC, USA. I'm the proud owner of: 2 550's, a DMP-100, and 4 Nak CM300 mic's, including the CP4 shotgun capsules, not to metion my Sony's: TC-D5, TC-D5m, D7 dat, and WM-D3. Thanks for including me on the map! -m ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brett Dickel" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 11:26 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: NakTalkers (In a global sense) > I might be the last: > > CR-7 > > and residing in Dunedin, New Zealand. > > > At 03:06 22/01/03 +0000, you wrote: > > >Looks like I'm the last one... > > > >Dragon, ZXE, CA1, PA1, RM-20, SP7, DM10 > > > >Vinod > > > > > >>From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) > >>Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > >>To: naktalk at naks.com > >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: NakTalkers (In a global sense) > >>Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 16:31:00 -0500 > >> > >>Hello, Mr.Blues and other Naktalkers, > >> > >>Please forgive me for being one of the last in the queue for Naktalk > >>database... > >> > >>Nicholas Gornostayev, 32, Moscow, The Russian Federation. > >> > >>My Nak collection is not large but tasty: 700TriTracer, CR-7, ZX-9, > >>NR-200, & T-100 + a small gadget called DM-10. > >> > >>With the very best wishes to all Naktalkers all over the world, > >> > >>Nicholas. > >> > >>__________________________________________________________________ > >>The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. 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I have a 680zx, recently blessed by Stephen Sank, and a 582z. I gave away my 480, but I still get to visit it once and a while. I really miss its analogue meters, but the 680zx 50-segment meters almost make up for it. I never dub tapes any more, and have no good reason to have two decks, but still dream about acquiring a zx-7 or zx-9. --Jud Herrman From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Thu Jan 23 08:10:59 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:10:59 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Pavel V. Pasechnik re:Maxell MS tapes Message-ID: Howdy John, You will not be disappointed with the XLII-S. They are my favourite super-chrome and due to the slightly rising treble, make for extremely versatile tapes due to the possible high frequency fall-off in cases of azimuth variance on other decks. I haven't read any of the mails below which probably elaborate on this, but to my knowledge the Studio MS is a different dress Maxell XLII. This of course makes it an excellent tape, perhaps better than standard dress XLII due to a stiffer mechanism. (There have been reports of shell-flexing on the current crop of American XLII tape (cool series) which of course can mean alignment problems). The MX-S are superb metals and are the peer of any other type IV. Your Cassette Deck 1 is going to dine well!! Cheers, Marc >>> lklein4 at ameritech.net 01/22/03 07:31PM >>> Hi, I just purchased Maxel MS-90, MX-S and XLII-S tapes for a try with my "new" Cassette Deck 1. The MS-90 and MX-S are very good..haven't tried the XLII-S yet. John Klein The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. 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From mdevera at compuserve.com Thu Jan 23 10:07:47 2003 From: mdevera at compuserve.com (Mike deVera) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 01:07:47 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Sony SMM (not Metal-ES) In-Reply-To: <01b001c1be23$e01dd9b0$10756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> Message-ID: <000001c2c2be$e6029960$1901000a@c994264e> Sorry to dig up old topics, but back in Feb 2002, there was a long running thread on whether John would do a group purchase for these particular Sony metal tapes. Did that just sputter out? -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On Behalf Of John M. Tooley Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 9:43 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony SMM (not Metal-ES) Back in for 10. Okay. I must email my friend in Switzerland and see if he has contacted them. John ----- Original Message ----- From: Kent Merideth To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 12:24 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony SMM (not Metal-ES) John, I just noticed the Subject field indicates Sony SMM (not Metal-ES). I just committed the error I was running into with Car & Driver magazine, when I requested a replacement issue, which had portions of some of the pages torn completely out. I indicated what month was involved in the Subject field, but failed to include it in the body of the letter, so they said they could not send a replacement until they knew which one was requested. Now you can put me back down for 10 of these if they do not go over $10.00 each, delivered. Should have put my brain in gear, before engaging my fingers. Hope I pay better attention to the details the rest of the week. Sorry for the confusion, again. Kent >>> khmerideth at anderson.edu 02/25/02 11:47AM >>> John, Yes, I was thinking the tapes were Metal Master, as was being discussed at the beginning. I missed the transition to ES somewhere along the way. Sorry for my not picking up on this. Delete my previous request. Kent Indiana >>> jmtooley at ce.net 02/25/02 08:41AM >>> Kent, Should I now drop your name from the list? John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 11:33 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony SMM (not Metal-ES) > In a message dated 2/23/2002 11:03:32 PM Central Standard Time, > khmerideth at anderson.edu writes: > > << Tom, > > I was thinking it was Metal Master we were talking about also. When I > realized it was ES, I dropped out. The two ES 90's I have are good, but > am not sure I want to spend $8-$10 on them. If they had been Metal > Master, I was willing to try it for this amount. This does not mean the > ES is not a good tape, it is very good. 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URL: From jamesbakner at yahoo.com Thu Jan 23 10:27:19 2003 From: jamesbakner at yahoo.com (James bakner) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 01:27:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] opinions on NAD 613, DR-3 Alan Parsons Project, and "in a global sense" In-Reply-To: <20021230163622.E19C1114942@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <20030123092719.41515.qmail@web40303.mail.yahoo.com> Marc - Thanks for the welcoming remarks. I finally got my DR 3 hooked up yesterday. (I had to finish building my CD rack - My CDs were taking up all of my empty rack spaces on my stereo rack ) My first impression was - oh my - This sound is different. I guess you get used to a particular sound, in my case a NAD 613 I had been using for a number of years now. I have not recorded anything yet - I listened to tapes I had, both prerecorded, and tapes I made on my previous machines. But, I listened all day and this evening. My good stereo is at work, although I do not listen critically during the day, I always have music on. (I own a Bookstore in Lexington, Virginia "the Bookery") I found the DR 3 revealing: good cassette recordings sounded good; not so good recordings sounded not so good, and my best recordings sounded awesome. I had a recording on a TDK metal MA tape in Dolby C off a record of the Saint Saens "organ" number 3 symphony. That was the best I had ever heard that tape. (It was origionally recorded on a Kenwood KX660HX deck I had in High School) I had some piano recorded on Sony chrome in Dolby C on that same deck - It also sounded great. I also listened to some Alan Parsons Project. Interestingly, most of my A.P.P. is on prerecorded cassette. On the NAD 613 with "block" repeat, I'd program it to play "Psychobabble" over and over. (After I closed the bookstore.....) I would very much like to get on the "tape tree" and hear some well recorded Alan Parsons Project that was mentioned in one of the posts. After getting this DR 3 and cleaning my stereo rack I have done a couple other things: I ordered a new cartridge for the Thorens Turntable I bought nine months ago on E bay to replace the hideous Technics linear tracking turntable I had in High School. I now might have some worthy analog to feed into the NAK. I also bought off of E bay a NAK BX 125 and an integrated amp for the kitchen at home to replace (don't laugh) an early eighties SONY ghettoblaster. This "naktalk" is great. The loyalty and spirit to keep these machines alive. I have found nothing like it towards any other make of cassette deck. It reminds me a little of my other "hobby" - old Volkswagens. --- kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > > Mark > this an excellent welcome note to a new comer! > Kannan > Mhugo at sunint.co.za wrote > > Hi James > > I hope you enjoy your DR3 and congats on the > auction. Never mind that it is not a dual cap, > three header. It will still have many of the > desirable Nak hallmarks. I always have thought the > "Cassette Deck" and "DR" family have a very real, > uncoloured sound - and are a bit diffferent to the > mid-eighties machines, but not in a bad way. I have > a brief review of the DR3 from What Hi-Fi. If you > would like a copy, please post your postal address > and it will be sent. > > I would encourage you to treat your DR3 to a diet of > chrome and, if you can manage it (and find them) > metal tapes. The humble TDK "D" is a respectable > enough type 1, with good consistency and durability > characteristics, but if you have a critical ear, or > for that matter, a special piece of music to record, > your Nak will return generous dividends on demanding > formulations. > > Although your experience with other machines such as > NAD, Kenwood and Yamaha may have revealed > disappointing results with Dolby NR, do not hesitate > to use them on a Nakamichi. The record/replay > losses are, unlike with pratically all other brands, > zero or close to zero. This is one thing that makes > Nakamichi very special and quite possibly why they > never bothered with Dolby "S". If your selection is > some raunchy blues or energetic pop, then setting > your levels a bit higher and recording without dolby > will give a little bit more freedom in the > mid-range. Classical, much jazz and etherial new > age styles benefit from the use of Dolby C which > have the effect of increasing your dynamic range to > around 70dB. For practical purposes, this is > excellent, and while not matching the 100dB or so > typical of compact disc, easily replicates the > typical dynamics you would experience at a live > music venue. > > The crystalloy heads of Nakamichi are able to handle > more level than other heads, without compression. > To what extent this is possible is something you > will need to experiment with. But try a TDK MA and > give yourself a surprise. The more esoteric metals > like TDK MA-XG and That's Metal Suono, due to double > coatings, and sometimes reverse coatings, can take > punishing levels without audible distortion or > compression. My personal experience with Sony Metal > XR, is that it is an exception to this rule, but is > still a very desirable tape. > > The NAD 613 and 614 were surprisingly bright and > breezy sounding machines. Quite stable too. It's > just as well you did "No Dolby" recordings with > those machines in retrospect. Play trim is a clever > control - both NAD and Yamaha have featured it for > years and I must agree having played with my fathers > KX-393, it is far superior than turning the treble > control. Still, it is an electronic intervention > that attempts to correct on the one hand, an > electronic problem (incompatible Dolby encode and > replay performance) and on the other hand a > mechanical problem (azimuth errors). Nakamichi's > approach was to attack the issue of azimuth related > headroom losses more directly, in the mechanical > domain, as you may know already. On Dolby, their > chips seem to be the best available, quite simply. > > The earlier NADs like the 6050C (1984) were more > purist and did not have this play trim feature. > > On the sound differences between CD and cassette, > you can look forward to improvements in this area. > The better three head Naks will make recordings that > are hard to tell from the source. Even two head > Naks feature much higher head saturation levels than > other brands, with a very high signal purity. Deep > controlled bass, informative free-breathing midband > and sparkling treble, that even on headphones will > all but match the source. > > The main difference between CD and other sources is > dynamic range. Bear in mind that when replicating a > live music environment in the home, you would not be > standing in the orchestra pit or standing next to > the speakers (the dynamic equivalent of the > soundboard recording, but with appropriate reduction > is sound pressure levels). Therefore, 100dB dynamic > ranges are "real" in one sense and not in the least > "realistic" in another. At close quarters, say > 2-3,5m listening range, 60-70dB is much closer to > replicating the live experience. > > Ensure your cables are nice thick OFC ones to ensure > low signal loss. > > Good luck with your new DR3. > > Regards, > > Marc > > > > > > >>> jamesbakner at yahoo.com 12/29/02 02:52PM >>> > This is a reply to Javier Perez in August. I have a > NAD 613, which I think is similar to the 614, just > different face plates and controls. I mostly record > FM radio ====.......................... > The information contained in this email is > confidential and may be subject > to legal privilege. 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Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Wwtgraham at aol.com Thu Jan 23 13:07:51 2003 From: Wwtgraham at aol.com (Wwtgraham at aol.com) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 07:07:51 EST Subject: [naktalk] Orange Cap Message-ID: <93.29805024.2b613517@aol.com> Hello last week I email you on my Dragon, thank for the help. My question to you is what is the orange cap disease that I been reading about and what is the effect on the deck having these caps in them. And thanks you again on my simple fix for my dragon. William -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmtooley at ce.net Thu Jan 23 13:51:24 2003 From: jmtooley at ce.net (jmtooley at ce.net) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 07:51:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sony SMM (not Metal-ES) In-Reply-To: <000001c2c2be$e6029960$1901000a@c994264e> References: <000001c2c2be$e6029960$1901000a@c994264e> Message-ID: <1043326284.3e2fe54cf098a@mail.ce.net> I asked my friend in Swit. about doing it and didn't get any response, enough said ;-) John T. Quoting Mike deVera : > Sorry to dig up old topics, but back in Feb 2002, there was a long running > thread on whether John would do a group purchase for these particular Sony > metal tapes. Did that just sputter out? > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On > Behalf Of John M. Tooley > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 9:43 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony SMM (not Metal-ES) > > > Back in for 10. Okay. I must email my friend in Switzerland and see if he > has contacted them. > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kent Merideth > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 12:24 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony SMM (not Metal-ES) > > > John, > > I just noticed the Subject field indicates Sony SMM (not Metal-ES). I > just committed the error I was running into with Car & Driver magazine, > when > I requested a replacement issue, which had portions of some of the pages > torn completely out. I indicated what month was involved in the Subject > field, but failed to include it in the body of the letter, so they said > they > could not send a replacement until they knew which one was requested. > > Now you can put me back down for 10 of these if they do not go over > $10.00 each, delivered. Should have put my brain in gear, before engaging > my fingers. Hope I pay better attention to the details the rest of the > week. Sorry for the confusion, again. > > Kent > > > >>> khmerideth at anderson.edu 02/25/02 11:47AM >>> > > John, > > Yes, I was thinking the tapes were Metal Master, as was being discussed > at the beginning. I missed the transition to ES somewhere along the way. > Sorry for my not picking up on this. Delete my previous request. > > Kent > Indiana > > > >>> jmtooley at ce.net 02/25/02 08:41AM >>> > Kent, > Should I now drop your name from the list? > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 11:33 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony SMM (not Metal-ES) > > > > In a message dated 2/23/2002 11:03:32 PM Central Standard Time, > > khmerideth at anderson.edu writes: > > > > << Tom, > > > > I was thinking it was Metal Master we were talking about also. When > I > > realized it was ES, I dropped out. The two ES 90's I have are good, > but > > am not sure I want to spend $8-$10 on them. If they had been Metal > > Master, I was willing to try it for this amount. This does not mean > the > > ES is not a good tape, it is very good. I was all set to try out > the > > Metal Master, as was originally being discussed. > > > > Kent > > Indiana >> > > > > OK, now I'm confused. The link below is not the Sony Metal ES Pro > but > the > > Metal Master. Yes? > > > > -Sam > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > From khmerideth at anderson.edu Thu Jan 23 15:35:57 2003 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:35:57 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] APP (History of the Alan Parsons Project) Message-ID: Blues, Add me to the list of participants for this project. Will most likely use a Maxell MX-S 100 for a master to copy mine, while using a TDK SA-X 100 Limited (dark metallic green, heavier than normal shell--like Maxell MX-S or XLII-S shells) for my every-day listener. Reminds me of the "Round-Robin" tapes we use to pass along in the Indiana Recording Club, which was an International Club, not just for people in Indiana or the U.S.A. Hopefully, this time around, the tape will not sit idle at someone's place for a long time. For those of us that take this kind of thing very seriously, the Marathon Tape snag was quite a bummer, which delayed Carlos receiving it to beat his mentioned busy season, plus his statement of reduction/elimination of tape duplicating facilities in his business. Since the APP tape is only to be copied, there should be no problems with misunderstanding of recording levels, Dolby (B or C) on or off, or equalization setting. Back in the early days of cassette tapes, it was quite advantageous to brighten up chrome (Type II) tapes by using 120 micro second eq instead of the suggested 70 micro second eq. This added a little more hiss, but extended the high frequency response. Instead of high frequencies dropping off around 13-15 kHz, it was possible to increase useable response out to 15-17, sometimes 18 kHz. When tape formulations greatly improved, this was a somewhat moot point. But, I still notice the "professionally" duplicated audio cassette tapes that use chrome tape are equalized at 120 micro seconds, with the Type II slots in the top of the shell not being opened. If anyone wants to record over any of these tapes, after covering the record-protect openings, but does NOT have manual bias and eq buttons/switches on their deck; a) there will not be sufficient erase signal to clean the previous signal off the tape, b) there will not be enough record bias to get a strong signal level onto the tape, and c) the equalization may be too bright (exaggerated high frequencies) for enjoyable listening. This is due to the fact the "auto" sensors are looking at a shell that indicates it is a Type I (normal bias and eq) tape. Sorry for the rambling, but this might give some insight to anyone listening to older tapes they did not record, or wanting to re-use "commercial" tapes, containing material they are not interested in and don't know of anyone to pass the tape on to, that would enjoy it. Kent Central Indian, U.S.A. >>> blueswapper at angelfire.com 01/19/03 01:03PM >>> Several months ago, we had a cheerful discussion about an album of oral history and music covering the years covering the well-regarded musical efforts of Alan Parsons and his Alan Parsons Project (APP). Well, I've been listening to that compilation again, and was reminded that it is quite an intriguing effort historically. I finally did transpose the two vinyl discs to a master cassette tape over the holidays, and it does (just barely) fit onto a Maxell XLIIS 100 cassette. Total time of the recording is 99:37 (min:sec). Last summer, a few NakTalkers conveyed interest in having an opportunity to listen and (respectfully) duplicate the album. I suggested that after the Nak Marathon Tape project was complete, we could devise a plan to send a master cassette around to interested individuals who would make cassette duplicates for personal use. Sort of a networked distribution effort based on a commitment to pass the APP cassette to the next person promptly and safely. Well, what do the few who are interested have to say now that we're into the year 2003? Marathon Tape production is slow, yet hopefully will be finished in the future. I could do a limited duplication (using my RX505 as source deck to my ZX7 recording deck) to create maybe two copies that could be sent to primary contacts in the eastern and wester hemispheres of the world. Maybe a plan of action of the two zones being eastern as Europe and Africa, Asia, and western as North and South America. Of course, this all depends upon! enthusiasm and willingness to contribute to a successful effort between us all. Well, I thought as long as I had the idea in front of me this weekend, I would bring that forward for further discussion among my friends. Comments can be sent to me directly at: Best regards, K.J. Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html ____________________________________________________________ Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Jan 23 15:40:42 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:40:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Orange Cap References: <93.29805024.2b613517@aol.com> Message-ID: <3E2FFEEA.F5A7DD0A@rcn.com> Certain capacitors used in Nakamichi decks are bound to fail in time. It is not clear to me what make these caps are (there are no manufacturer markings), but all are colored orange. -- Ron Wwtgraham at aol.com wrote: > > Hello last week I email you on my Dragon, thank for the help. My > question to you is what is the orange cap disease that I been > reading about and what is the effect on the deck having these caps > in them. And thanks you again on my simple fix for my dragon. > William From stan.targowski at attbi.com Thu Jan 23 16:52:21 2003 From: stan.targowski at attbi.com (Stan Targowski) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:52:21 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalkers (In a global sense) In-Reply-To: <20030123001105.A3623@herrman.road> Message-ID: I am in Chicago, USA. Mid 30's. My first cassette player/recorder was little kids Panasonic portable in 1975. Then around 1981 I got my first "real" deck, JVC KD-A11. I have had good luck with JVC [as they were affordable] and always dreamed of Nakamichis [they were too expensive at the time]. This is why, at this point, my collection consists of some of the top of the lines from the past like Pioneer CT-F1250, HK-491, Denon 740, JVC KD-A77/DD-99/TD-V66/KD-A8. As far as Nakamichi goes ... CR-7A (had one 1990-1991) CR-2A (bought new in 1990) CR-4A (bought used in 2000) TA-2A (bought new in 1990 - but is sitting in storage, never had luck with this one). TA-4A (bought new in 1991, but exchanged later for Adcom 5500/565 combo) I have a stereo system in more or less each room of my house, and the reference system is CR4A, SONY XA20ES (CD), powered by Adcom and Mirage Speakers. To be honest, I do not record that much on tapes any more (CD-R's are more convenient), but have this nostalgic feeling for precision instruments - this is why I collect some of these units, along with mechanical watches and fountain pens. Stan From Sven.Schultz at t-online.de Thu Jan 23 17:09:50 2003 From: Sven.Schultz at t-online.de (Sven Schultz) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 17:09:50 +0100 Subject: AW: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c2c2f9$e51f8a90$0100000a@amd1333> Dear Mr. Blueswapper - Greetings from Germany - I'm living nearby Frankfurt/Main - Good idea to create a database, here some of my NAK's details... I joined the nakaholics in December 2002 - starting by getting a CR7 - Tape in "mint" condition at Ebay... I've bought 2 years ago a Dragon, remembering I'd owned and recorded a lot of tapes in 1982 with a 582' Nak, which left me for a high End Turntable... The 3-headed Tapes were my favourites: Technics M260 (the cheapest 3head Tape in 1981 I think... (I've been a student with financial shorts) (until today only the motor was changed, it still work's fine for the small money) My first Nakamichi 582 (was changed 1984 in a Rega Planar 3 with Ortophon MC10 System and an SME 3012 tone arm) Then in 2000 I bought a Sony 3 head Tape TC-K81 (now the eraser head was broken, physically, one channel wasn't erasing well, maybe any tip where to buy a head for that deck?) Afterwards a Dragon in 2001 in TOP Condition, the best Tape machine I've ever seen and heard... December 2002 I bought a CR7E, which seems to be a little bit easier to use with some Tapes (SONY UXS for example) than the Dragon. Still completing the Nakamichi 7 - Series (CA, PA, ST and CR7 are now complete, missing a OMS7E/II CD Player) It's fine that Dragon and CR7E were able to be controlled by one Remote Unit (RM7 CA) of the NAK - Preamp! So copying of tapes and comparison between the two tape's are very easy to do. My now 22 years old tape recordings (Chrome Tapes of BASF CR2 or Chrome super) with the Technics Deck were played perfect by the two NAK's, only the treble - Problem with the 582 recordings were existing (seemed that this tape uses EQ 80 instead of EQ 70 in Chrome Position). It seems to me that a 582 should be my next NAK... Best regards Sven Schultz Frankfurt / Germany Mailto:Sven.Schultz at t-online.de -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com] Im Auftrag von The BlueSwapper Gesendet: Freitag, 17. Januar 2003 04:41 An: naktalk at naks.com Cc: blueswapper at angelfire.com Betreff: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) Dear NakTalk friends I'm pleased with the refreshing recent return to Nak related topics, and I'm quite intrigued with the growing international mix of the membership. Being a geographer and cartographer during my early professional career (that was twenty years ago, I'm now an information systems manager involved with geographic information system & global positioning system technologies), I'd like to gather information from NakTalkers to create a spatial database of who you are, where you live, years you've collected Nak gear, decks you possess, et cetera. With such a database of information, I could then easily create a nice global map showing where everyone resides in relation to each other. Selected information could also be attributed to locations and names. And from that a digital colored map image could then be created shared between all participating NakTalkers. This might be a fair amount of work for me, but let's see if there is interest and usefulness for the membership. Haven't you occasionally wondered where someone who posted a message lives in the world? Well, a global location map might be a nice visual compliment to understanding where your NakTalk friends are emailing us world-wide. I'm curious if others have similar feelings about furthering global comradery and understanding. Interested in supporting and furthering my idea? I will wait for your replies, directly to me or via NakTalk. Best regards, K.J. Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Give Peace A Chance!!! http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html ____________________________________________________________ Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= From Ken.Gentry at gilbarco.com Thu Jan 23 17:50:00 2003 From: Ken.Gentry at gilbarco.com (Gentry, Ken) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 11:50:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal tapes Message-ID: Anyone had experience with Sony Metal SR or Super Metal Master tapes? Here's some links to info on them: http://www.sel.sony.com/SEL/rmeg/mediatech/indexdir.html http://www.sel.sony.com/SEL/rmeg/audio/cat1.html The yahoo.com link below is a way to pay $15.75 EACH for the Super Metal Masters. Geez, for that kind of money I hope that tape is nice! I've never paid more than about $9 for a metal tape (MA-XG). http://shop.store.yahoo.com/protape/c-90-sony-type-iv.html The Metal SR-100 tapes are available for around $2.50 USD from here: http://www.boutiquescanada.com/Boutiques/qualitaspro/c30949p101670.2.html From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Jan 23 19:32:39 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 18:32:39 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 strange noise In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201E87@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <000001c2c30d$cf49b2e0$885587d9@oemcomputer> MessageDorian, Tom My ZX-9 did the same thing when I bought it. After a few hours of use, this stopped. But after a few weeks of being left without use, the problem occurred again when it was finally brought to life again. A few hours of use and, again, the problem vanished! Lesson for Graham: the worst thing you can do to a Nakamichi is not to use it! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos Sent: 23 January 2003 00:16 To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-7 strange noise Hi Dorian. It sounds like it could be the idler wheel that sits between the two reel hubs. My ZX9 sometimes makes a vibrating sound just after it finishes rewinding or fast-forwarding and the machine has that brief split second pause before it decides to place the mechinics in the stop mode, that's when it does it. I've been told that this is normal and not to worry about it. In your case if it is doing the noise during the tape slack take-up motion, then it would need a service or a replacement of the rubber on the idler. It's worth doing on the ZX7 - great machine. Hope this helps Dorian. Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Dorian Dyer [mailto:dorian.dyer at digit6.com] Sent: Thursday, 23 January 2003 11:05 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 strange noise Hello everyone my recently acquired ZX-7 sometimes makes a strange noise and vibration when powering up with a tape inside or when closing the door with a tape inside. Sometimes it works right and it quietly spools the tape briefly after these procedures but most of the time it will not do the wind and it just makes a loud vibrating noise. Everything else seems OK. I am planning on servicing the deck but was wondering if anyone is familiar with this problem. Is it repairable and is it expensive? Dorian Dyer Miami, FL ex-1000 II owner and current owner of a ZX-7 and MR-2 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/03 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mdevera at compuserve.com Thu Jan 23 19:39:39 2003 From: mdevera at compuserve.com (Mike deVera) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 10:39:39 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal tapes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000901c2c30e$ca1f42c0$1901000a@c994264e> I have 2 Sony Metal-ES and 12 Sony Metal SR, and noticed that the bias is a perfect 0 and level is a -1 click for the Metal-ES. The Metal SR has to be tweaked 3 clicks on bias and 0 on level using a CR4a. I would assume that would mean the Metal-SR needs more bias. I donned on headphones to hear recording differences, played back on the CR4a and CR7a and noticed that the headroom on the SR Metal is a narrow, compared to ES. Not narrow enough for me to just go out and purchase Metal-ES to replace the Metal-SR. Way different pricing structure. Per previous threads in the past, regarding recording tapes, I haven't read any post that any brand be it TDK, Maxell, BASF or Fuji had scored as high as the Sony Metal Master or Metal-ES. If you know a commercial source of Metal Master or Metal-ES, it would be nice to know where it still can be had, and hopefully not for a exorbitant amount. I've horded just about all the TDK MA and MA-Xs that I'll ever need in my lifetime. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of Gentry, Ken Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 8:50 AM To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal tapes Anyone had experience with Sony Metal SR or Super Metal Master tapes? Here's some links to info on them: http://www.sel.sony.com/SEL/rmeg/mediatech/indexdir.html http://www.sel.sony.com/SEL/rmeg/audio/cat1.html The yahoo.com link below is a way to pay $15.75 EACH for the Super Metal Masters. Geez, for that kind of money I hope that tape is nice! I've never paid more than about $9 for a metal tape (MA-XG). http://shop.store.yahoo.com/protape/c-90-sony-type-iv.html The Metal SR-100 tapes are available for around $2.50 USD from here: http://www.boutiquescanada.com/Boutiques/qualitaspro/c30949p101670.2.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Jan 23 22:30:49 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 08:30:49 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] opinions on NAD 613, DR-3 Alan Parsons Project, an d "in a global sense" Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201E8B@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi James. Is that Sony Ghetto blaster the one with the square looking speakers and weighs as much as a great dane? -----Original Message----- From: James bakner [mailto:jamesbakner at yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, 23 January 2003 8:27 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] opinions on NAD 613, DR-3 Alan Parsons Project, and "in a global sense" Marc - Thanks for the welcoming remarks. I finally got my DR 3 hooked up yesterday. (I had to finish building my CD rack - My CDs were taking up all of my empty rack spaces on my stereo rack ) My first impression was - oh my - This sound is different. I guess you get used to a particular sound, in my case a NAD 613 I had been using for a number of years now. I have not recorded anything yet - I listened to tapes I had, both prerecorded, and tapes I made on my previous machines. But, I listened all day and this evening. My good stereo is at work, although I do not listen critically during the day, I always have music on. (I own a Bookstore in Lexington, Virginia "the Bookery") I found the DR 3 revealing: good cassette recordings sounded good; not so good recordings sounded not so good, and my best recordings sounded awesome. I had a recording on a TDK metal MA tape in Dolby C off a record of the Saint Saens "organ" number 3 symphony. That was the best I had ever heard that tape. (It was origionally recorded on a Kenwood KX660HX deck I had in High School) I had some piano recorded on Sony chrome in Dolby C on that same deck - It also sounded great. I also listened to some Alan Parsons Project. Interestingly, most of my A.P.P. is on prerecorded cassette. On the NAD 613 with "block" repeat, I'd program it to play "Psychobabble" over and over. (After I closed the bookstore.....) I would very much like to get on the "tape tree" and hear some well recorded Alan Parsons Project that was mentioned in one of the posts. After getting this DR 3 and cleaning my stereo rack I have done a couple other things: I ordered a new cartridge for the Thorens Turntable I bought nine months ago on E bay to replace the hideous Technics linear tracking turntable I had in High School. I now might have some worthy analog to feed into the NAK. I also bought off of E bay a NAK BX 125 and an integrated amp for the kitchen at home to replace (don't laugh) an early eighties SONY ghettoblaster. This "naktalk" is great. The loyalty and spirit to keep these machines alive. I have found nothing like it towards any other make of cassette deck. It reminds me a little of my other "hobby" - old Volkswagens. --- kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > > Mark > this an excellent welcome note to a new comer! > Kannan > Mhugo at sunint.co.za wrote > > Hi James > > I hope you enjoy your DR3 and congats on the > auction. Never mind that it is not a dual cap, > three header. It will still have many of the > desirable Nak hallmarks. I always have thought the > "Cassette Deck" and "DR" family have a very real, > uncoloured sound - and are a bit diffferent to the > mid-eighties machines, but not in a bad way. I have > a brief review of the DR3 from What Hi-Fi. If you > would like a copy, please post your postal address > and it will be sent. > > I would encourage you to treat your DR3 to a diet of > chrome and, if you can manage it (and find them) > metal tapes. The humble TDK "D" is a respectable > enough type 1, with good consistency and durability > characteristics, but if you have a critical ear, or > for that matter, a special piece of music to record, > your Nak will return generous dividends on demanding > formulations. > > Although your experience with other machines such as > NAD, Kenwood and Yamaha may have revealed > disappointing results with Dolby NR, do not hesitate > to use them on a Nakamichi. The record/replay > losses are, unlike with pratically all other brands, > zero or close to zero. This is one thing that makes > Nakamichi very special and quite possibly why they > never bothered with Dolby "S". If your selection is > some raunchy blues or energetic pop, then setting > your levels a bit higher and recording without dolby > will give a little bit more freedom in the > mid-range. Classical, much jazz and etherial new > age styles benefit from the use of Dolby C which > have the effect of increasing your dynamic range to > around 70dB. For practical purposes, this is > excellent, and while not matching the 100dB or so > typical of compact disc, easily replicates the > typical dynamics you would experience at a live > music venue. > > The crystalloy heads of Nakamichi are able to handle > more level than other heads, without compression. > To what extent this is possible is something you > will need to experiment with. But try a TDK MA and > give yourself a surprise. The more esoteric metals > like TDK MA-XG and That's Metal Suono, due to double > coatings, and sometimes reverse coatings, can take > punishing levels without audible distortion or > compression. My personal experience with Sony Metal > XR, is that it is an exception to this rule, but is > still a very desirable tape. > > The NAD 613 and 614 were surprisingly bright and > breezy sounding machines. Quite stable too. It's > just as well you did "No Dolby" recordings with > those machines in retrospect. Play trim is a clever > control - both NAD and Yamaha have featured it for > years and I must agree having played with my fathers > KX-393, it is far superior than turning the treble > control. Still, it is an electronic intervention > that attempts to correct on the one hand, an > electronic problem (incompatible Dolby encode and > replay performance) and on the other hand a > mechanical problem (azimuth errors). Nakamichi's > approach was to attack the issue of azimuth related > headroom losses more directly, in the mechanical > domain, as you may know already. On Dolby, their > chips seem to be the best available, quite simply. > > The earlier NADs like the 6050C (1984) were more > purist and did not have this play trim feature. > > On the sound differences between CD and cassette, > you can look forward to improvements in this area. > The better three head Naks will make recordings that > are hard to tell from the source. Even two head > Naks feature much higher head saturation levels than > other brands, with a very high signal purity. Deep > controlled bass, informative free-breathing midband > and sparkling treble, that even on headphones will > all but match the source. > > The main difference between CD and other sources is > dynamic range. Bear in mind that when replicating a > live music environment in the home, you would not be > standing in the orchestra pit or standing next to > the speakers (the dynamic equivalent of the > soundboard recording, but with appropriate reduction > is sound pressure levels). Therefore, 100dB dynamic > ranges are "real" in one sense and not in the least > "realistic" in another. At close quarters, say > 2-3,5m listening range, 60-70dB is much closer to > replicating the live experience. > > Ensure your cables are nice thick OFC ones to ensure > low signal loss. > > Good luck with your new DR3. > > Regards, > > Marc > > > > > > >>> jamesbakner at yahoo.com 12/29/02 02:52PM >>> > This is a reply to Javier Perez in August. I have a > NAD 613, which I think is similar to the 614, just > different face plates and controls. I mostly record > FM radio ====.......................... > The information contained in this email is > confidential and may be subject > to legal privilege. 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Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu Jan 23 22:59:06 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 22:59:06 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalkers (In a global sense) References: Message-ID: <3E3065AA.17B4209A@xs4all.nl> Male, Age 35, Amsterdam, The Netherlands Multi Nak owner: 582 (my first) 480 482Z (broken, abused technically by previous owner) LX3 (very reliable!) BX300 (broken, needs new pinch rollers) 1000ZXL+NR100 (my pride and joy, bought it in the Bay area, and brought it home myself) 700ZXE ZX7 ZX9 (broken at the moment, orange caps about to be replaced) DRAGON (misfunctioning because of faulty idler) 682ZX (needs fixing, orange cap about to go i guess) 680ZX (just fixed bias by replacing orange caps) 670ZX (needs fixing) 660ZX (needs fixing) 1000 Tri Tracer (needs some work) NR200 HighComII (model A + B) TD700 I guess i'm forgetting some more... Wouter From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Fri Jan 24 00:19:12 2003 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 15:19:12 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] opinions on NAD 613, DR-3 Alan Parsons Project, and "in a global sense" References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201E8B@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <3E307870.C4FA3FE6@earthlink.net> I don't know about anyone else here but I frankly find the term "ghetto blaster" offensive. Thanks in advance for understanding. Jim Volpatti From rjkent at attbi.com Fri Jan 24 01:41:13 2003 From: rjkent at attbi.com (Robert Kent) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 16:41:13 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Tapes Message-ID: I found this internet source for tapes. They have a decent selection, and reasonable prices: http://www.cheapbatteries.com/audio.htm Robert Kent From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Jan 24 02:54:54 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 08:54:54 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 strange noise References: <000001c2c30d$cf49b2e0$885587d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <002401c2c34b$9c16d220$fc299bca@smarzuki> Message Excellent point Graham ! That's also happen to be the case on my nak: stuck meter, stuck capstan, switch etc. I wonder why ? Leave your CTS830S for 3 years and it will play just like the day you left it off, right ? (ok, i also accept stones =) Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 1:32 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-7 strange noise Dorian, Tom My ZX-9 did the same thing when I bought it. After a few hours of use, this stopped. But after a few weeks of being left without use, the problem occurred again when it was finally brought to life again. A few hours of use and, again, the problem vanished! Lesson for Graham: the worst thing you can do to a Nakamichi is not to use it! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Fri Jan 24 06:56:07 2003 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 21:56:07 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi and cassette resource page References: <000001c2c30d$cf49b2e0$885587d9@oemcomputer> <002401c2c34b$9c16d220$fc299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3E30D576.BAD56196@earthlink.net> I just had another idea for Wouter or KJ's website. How about a resource page with web links, company names and addresses for reliable Nakamichi service, parts and cassette supplies, categorized by region? What do you guys think? Jim Volpatti From nicy at ya.com Fri Jan 24 09:54:57 2003 From: nicy at ya.com (JGascon) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 09:54:57 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Tapes References: Message-ID: <003301c2c386$472c1320$8f2b3b50@PcComunero> Kent, Mínimun order outside US $500!!! Javier. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Kent" To: Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 1:41 AM Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Tapes > I found this internet source for tapes. They have a decent selection, and reasonable prices: > > http://www.cheapbatteries.com/audio.htm > > Robert Kent > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Fri Jan 24 12:20:57 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 22:20:57 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] opinions on NAD 613, DR-3 Alan Parsons Project, an d "in a global sense" Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201E8F@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Sorry Jim, I think the better name for those Sony heavy weights would be "Boom box" or "spine breaker" :) Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Jim Volpatti [mailto:jvolpatti at earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, 24 January 2003 10:19 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] opinions on NAD 613, DR-3 Alan Parsons Project, and "in a global sense" I don't know about anyone else here but I frankly find the term "ghetto blaster" offensive. 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To the right of it, you will see the two inch wide pulley that drives it. It is the shaft of the pulley that squeaks" (squawks, groans, or whatever). "Lean the deck forward some and apply a drop of oil to the exposed end of the axle shaft, then punch the unit in & out of play mode several times, while you have the unit tilted forward. The noise should disappear instantly." The instructions within the quotes (" "), are what Stephen suggested to me back then. Couldn't find the e-mail, but copied this from my printout, which was in my 680ZX folder, in an "old-time" file cabinet. The noise did not disappear "instantly", but eventually did go away completely. With my 680ZX, the azimuth drive unit, a relatively large black box, was blocking easy access to the pulley shaft, thus the extension on the oiler. It still took me two or three attempts to get the oil in the right spot. From what I can tell, this seems to be a fairly common occurrence when the units sit idle for an extended period of time. Hope this is of some help. Kent Merideth, NOT Robert Kent. P.S. By the way, welcome to the "fold" Robert! Welcome to all the "new" (including you long-time lurkers) participants. >>> dorian.dyer at digit6.com 01/22/03 07:05PM >>> Hello everyone my recently acquired ZX-7 sometimes makes a strange noise and vibration when powering up with a tape inside or when closing the door with a tape inside. Sometimes it works right and it quietly spools the tape briefly after these procedures but most of the time it will not do the wind and it just makes a loud vibrating noise. Everything else seems OK. I am planning on servicing the deck but was wondering if anyone is familiar with this problem. Is it repairable and is it expensive? 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Jim Volpatti Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > Sorry Jim, I think the better name for those Sony heavy weights would be > "Boom box" or "spine breaker" :) > > Tom Siomopoulos. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Volpatti [mailto:jvolpatti at earthlink.net] > Sent: Friday, 24 January 2003 10:19 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] opinions on NAD 613, DR-3 Alan Parsons Project, > and "in a global sense" > > I don't know about anyone else here but I frankly find the term "ghetto > blaster" > offensive. Thanks in advance for understanding. > > Jim Volpatti From khmerideth at anderson.edu Fri Jan 24 14:44:34 2003 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 08:44:34 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Tapes Message-ID: Have not ordered from the folks at Terrapin Tapes in over 2 years, so I fear the regular XLII tapes may be the newer version, which has a flimsier J-card and seemingly flimsier tape shell. Yes, the C-60 tapes are $.85 and the C-90 tapes are $.80. Kind of remember they ran a special on the C-90s two or three years ago for $.70, or possibly $.65 for about two weeks before "Gathering of the Vibes" at Camp Creek. Since the XLII-S series has been discontinued for about 2 years, they will likely be the good shells and J-cards. http://ttapes.com/ Kent Merideth Someday, Clark, I mean Robert, and I will have to get together and share our enjoyment of "Nakamainia". >>> rjkent at attbi.com 01/23/03 07:41PM >>> I found this internet source for tapes. They have a decent selection, and reasonable prices: http://www.cheapbatteries.com/audio.htm Robert Kent ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From timbarrett at cox.net Fri Jan 24 17:29:26 2003 From: timbarrett at cox.net (timbarrett at cox.net) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 11:29:26 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] nak parts Message-ID: <3E312396.10140.789775@localhost> Gentlemen - My email letter to 'parts at nakamichi.com' was just returned to me as undeliverable. Does anyone know if that address has changed without my knowing it, or is that no longer available at all? I believe it's been about a year since I last communicated with Patty via that address. Regards, Tim From jamesbakner at yahoo.com Fri Jan 24 18:34:09 2003 From: jamesbakner at yahoo.com (James bakner) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 09:34:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] opinions on NAD 613, DR-3 Alan Parsons Project, an d "in a global sense" In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201E8B@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <20030124173409.16271.qmail@web40308.mail.yahoo.com> Tom - The Sony is not quite as heavy as a great dane, and has large round speakers, the largest I have seen on a Sony. The model is CFS-500, I think. I had to order a belt for the tape drive, and when I saw the service manual at the repair shop, I think it was a 1982 model or so. I normally use the word "Jam Box"; I use the word "ghetto blaster" only in a descriptive sense to describe the box itself - to me, it implies the "classic", large jam boxes from twenty years ago, not made anymore. I have some smaller vintage jam boxes I use to play cassettes in the back yard when I am working under the car under my shade tree. "boom box" to me implies the portables you buy nowadays.... The first time I saw the word "boom box" was in a "Best Buy" store advertizement in a newspaper. All of my old jam boxes are made in Japan, and Sonys of that vintage have this nifty search feature where the rewind key would pop up at the beginning of the song if you press play and rewind at the same time - great for listening to songs over and over again until I had the lyrics memorized.......Thanks for making me aware of the language I am using.... and we'll talk to you later...---James Bakner --- Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > Hi James. Is that Sony Ghetto blaster the one with > the square looking > speakers and weighs as much as a great dane? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Jan 24 19:19:44 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 23:49:44 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] nak parts Message-ID: <20030124181944.F19A2114912@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From timbarrett at cox.net Fri Jan 24 19:35:05 2003 From: timbarrett at cox.net (timbarrett at cox.net) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 13:35:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] nak parts In-Reply-To: <20030124181944.F19A2114912@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <3E314109.14013.EB9FA4@localhost> Well, I just gave it a shot and called the 800 number. No one picks up, and it should be 10:30 A.M. their time. This doesn't look good. Tim On 24 Jan 2003 at 23:49, kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: From: kannan_s at vsnl.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] nak parts Copies to: Send reply to: naktalk at naks.com Date sent: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 23:49:44 +0530 (IST) > You will find strange things happening at Nakamichi US website - no > more parts, service or Phone numbers to contact. I would not be > surprised to see that US office shifting to Malasia or Thailand soon. > Probably Salim would be able to visit their parts center and procure > parts for us! Did any of US based Nak talkers call Patti recently??? > Kannan > > timbarrett at cox.net > wrote > Gentlemen - > > My email letter to 'parts at nakamichi.com' was just returned to me as > undeliverable. Does anyone know if that address has changed without > my knowing it, or is that no longer available at all? I believe it's > been about a year since I last communicated with Patty via that > address. > > Regards, > Tim > ========-------------------------------------------------------------- > ----========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========-------------------------------------------------------------- > ----========= > > > ========-------------------------------------------------------------- > ----========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========-------------------------------------------------------------- > ----========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Jan 24 20:16:24 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 02:16:24 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] nak parts References: <20030124181944.F19A2114912@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <003d01c2c3dd$55c29740$be1a9bca@smarzuki> Nah, had a hard time contacting Nakamichi's new Singapore headoffice last year. I was tryng to get old nak pb head and test tape - but it seemed the 'new Nak' only interested in selling lifestyle or music station system / parts. Anyway you might want to try contacting Eric Goh: eric at nakamichi.com or egks78 at pacific.net.sg. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: kannan_s at vsnl.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 1:19 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] nak parts You will find strange things happening at Nakamichi US website - no more parts, service or Phone numbers to contact. I would not be surprised to see that US office shifting to Malasia or Thailand soon. Probably Salim would be able to visit their parts center and procure parts for us! Did any of US based Nak talkers call Patti recently??? Kannan timbarrett at cox.net wrote Gentlemen - My email letter to 'parts at nakamichi.com' was just returned to me as undeliverable. Does anyone know if that address has changed without my knowing it, or is that no longer available at all? I believe it's been about a year since I last communicated with Patty via that address. Regards, Tim From roleo at telus.net Fri Jan 24 20:25:08 2003 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 11:25:08 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] nak parts References: <20030124181944.F19A2114912@webmail.vsnl.com> <003d01c2c3dd$55c29740$be1a9bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <003101c2c3de$4ea816f0$8075059a@desktop> Here's the new Nakamichi USA Parts number: 310-392-1155 You have to ask for parts which goes to Patti's line. Both times I have tried it recently, I have got her voice mail. I never left a message. Seems like Nakamichi is going down the tubes though. Have you guys seen the crappy toy cars that carry the "Nakamichi" brand name? Is nothing sacred??!! --Roland ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] nak parts > > Nah, had a hard time contacting Nakamichi's new Singapore headoffice last > year. I was tryng to get old nak pb head and test tape - but it seemed the > 'new Nak' only interested in selling lifestyle or music station system / > parts. > > Anyway you might want to try contacting Eric Goh: eric at nakamichi.com or > egks78 at pacific.net.sg. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: kannan_s at vsnl.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 1:19 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] nak parts > > > You will find strange things happening at Nakamichi US website - no more > parts, service or Phone numbers to contact. I would not be surprised to see > that US office shifting to Malasia or Thailand soon. Probably Salim would be > able to visit their parts center and procure parts for us! > Did any of US based Nak talkers call Patti recently??? > Kannan > > timbarrett at cox.net > wrote > Gentlemen - > > My email letter to 'parts at nakamichi.com' was just returned to me as > undeliverable. > Does anyone know if that address has changed without my knowing it, or is > that no > longer available at all? I believe it's been about a year since I last > communicated > with Patty via that address. > > Regards, > Tim > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > From g_valkov at hotmail.com Fri Jan 24 20:54:16 2003 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 21:54:16 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Niro Message-ID: In case anyone is interested in what Niro Nkamichi is up to now: http://niro.net/nirotek/Default.htm Enjoy! George _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From timbarrett at cox.net Fri Jan 24 21:16:10 2003 From: timbarrett at cox.net (timbarrett at cox.net) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 15:16:10 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] nak parts In-Reply-To: <003101c2c3de$4ea816f0$8075059a@desktop> Message-ID: <3E3158BA.20284.1482CB2@localhost> Thanks for the number. I just spoke to Patti (she doesn't have my part) and things are indeed getting very strange out there. We exchanged new contact information, but there's no telling how long that will remain valid. Tim On 24 Jan 2003 at 11:25, Roland Alford wrote: From: "Roland Alford" To: Subject: Re: [naktalk] nak parts Send reply to: naktalk at naks.com Date sent: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 11:25:08 -0800 > Here's the new Nakamichi USA Parts number: > > 310-392-1155 > > You have to ask for parts which goes to Patti's line. Both times I > have tried it recently, I have got her voice mail. I never left a > message. > > Seems like Nakamichi is going down the tubes though. Have you guys > seen the crappy toy cars that carry the "Nakamichi" brand name? Is > nothing sacred??!! > > --Roland > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salim Marzuki" > To: > Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 11:16 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] nak parts > > > > > > Nah, had a hard time contacting Nakamichi's new Singapore headoffice > > last year. I was tryng to get old nak pb head and test tape - but > > it seemed > the > > 'new Nak' only interested in selling lifestyle or music station > > system / parts. > > > > Anyway you might want to try contacting Eric Goh: eric at nakamichi.com > > or egks78 at pacific.net.sg. > > > > Best regards, > > Salim SM > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: kannan_s at vsnl.com > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 1:19 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] nak parts > > > > > > You will find strange things happening at Nakamichi US website - no > > more parts, service or Phone numbers to contact. I would not be > > surprised to > see > > that US office shifting to Malasia or Thailand soon. Probably Salim > > would > be > > able to visit their parts center and procure parts for us! > > Did any of US based Nak talkers call Patti recently??? > > Kannan > > > > timbarrett at cox.net > > wrote > > Gentlemen - > > > > My email letter to 'parts at nakamichi.com' was just returned to me as > > undeliverable. Does anyone know if that address has changed without > > my knowing it, or is that no longer available at all? I believe > > it's been about a year since I last communicated with Patty via that > > address. > > > > Regards, > > Tim > > > > > > > ========-------------------------------------------------------------- > ----== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========-------------------------------------------------------------- > ----== ======= > > > > ========-------------------------------------------------------------- > ----========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========-------------------------------------------------------------- > ----========= From rjkent at attbi.com Fri Jan 24 22:30:04 2003 From: rjkent at attbi.com (Robert Kent) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 13:30:04 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Analog to Digital Conversion Message-ID: I am considering copying some of my tapes, and perhaps LPs as well, to CD. I have done this using input thru the sound card on the computer, and using Cool Edit 2000 to record the files to the hard drive, then EZCDCreator to burn the CD. It is a slow process......much more tedious than recording LPs to my CR-7A. Does anyone have experience with using either an internal or external stereo (2 channel) Analog to Digital converter to bypass the sound card (inputting through the USB or Firewire ports), and hopefully get a little better quality when recording the files to the hard drive? Any product suggestions? Or is this a fool's mission? Robert Kent From vzimakov at mtu-net.ru Fri Jan 24 22:46:53 2003 From: vzimakov at mtu-net.ru (Vladimir) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 00:46:53 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Analog to Digital Conversion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <632.030125@mtu-net.ru> Hello Robert, You may try Sound Blaster EXTIGY USB external 24/96 soundcard. It is much better for this purpose than any internal soundcard. Regards, Vladimir. ñóááîòà, 25 ÿíâàðÿ 2003, you wrote to me: RK> I am considering copying some of my tapes, and perhaps LPs as well, to CD. I have done this using RK> input thru the sound card on the computer, and using Cool Edit 2000 to record the files to the hard RK> drive, then EZCDCreator to burn the CD. It is a slow process......much more tedious than recording RK> LPs to my CR-7A. RK> Does anyone have experience with using either an internal or external stereo (2 channel) Analog to RK> Digital converter to bypass the sound card (inputting through the USB or Firewire ports), and RK> hopefully get a little better quality when recording the files to the hard drive? Any product RK> suggestions? Or is this a fool's mission? RK> Robert Kent RK> ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= RK> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist RK> To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk RK> ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Best regards, Vladimir mailto:vzimakov at mtu-net.ru From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Fri Jan 24 23:13:47 2003 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 23:13:47 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Analog to Digital Conversion In-Reply-To: <632.030125@mtu-net.ru> References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030124225638.00a6e170@box.tin.it> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Jan 24 23:44:02 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 22:44:02 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] 10 Thumbs Man mends a Cassette Deck!!! In-Reply-To: <3E3158BA.20284.1482CB2@localhost> Message-ID: <001201c2c3fa$17ec5600$54e1193e@oemcomputer> I invite general applause and congratulations for fixing my first cassette deck! The ReVox stopped working in Play ... and I discovered what the problem was and fixed it! Yes, I know - small beer for most of you guys but, remember, I'm the guy who followed Stephens good instructions and still ended up goosing a perfectly good DAT, and of frying the tweeters out of 4 tweeters from three sets of speakers ... I am usually Death when I get out my screw driver and soldering iron. But for a change ... glowing feeling of satisfaction!!! Had to share that ... Gra' > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/03 From bjgrady at pacbell.net Fri Jan 24 23:49:45 2003 From: bjgrady at pacbell.net (John) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 14:49:45 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] 10 Thumbs Man mends a Cassette Deck!!! In-Reply-To: <001201c2c3fa$17ec5600$54e1193e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <000501c2c3fa$e465eac0$5900a8c0@SUPPORT.RENTANAPT.COM> as I was reading your post, the tears started flowing.... Cal John. From colem at georgetown.edu Fri Jan 24 23:54:39 2003 From: colem at georgetown.edu (colem at georgetown.edu) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 17:54:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 problem Message-ID: <6fd11170040d.70040d6fd111@georgetown.edu> Hi, Can anyone help me solve a problem with a MR-1 that I've just gotten? All functions work except that when the 'play' button is pushed the tape transport moves up and down a couple of times and then stops. When the transport is brought up to contact the tape the hub begins to move but stops as soon as the transport moves down and out of contact with the tape. Mike From John at jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk Sat Jan 25 00:07:57 2003 From: John at jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 23:07:57 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Analog to Digital Conversion References: Message-ID: <3E31C74D.2050401@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Robert asked: "Does anyone have experience with using either an internal or external stereo (2 channel) Analog toDigital converter to bypass the sound card (inputting through the USB or Firewire ports), and hopefully get a little better quality when recording the files to the hard drive? Any product suggestions?" Yes, I do, and no it is not a foolish mission - it is well worth doing. I use a Media Assistance USB-One offboard unit, with 20-bit converters. This is no longer state-of-the-art, and other USB designs are available from companies like M-Audio. The performance is substantially better than the onboard soundcard. You should ensure that you have the latest ASIO drivers - check the supplier's website. You will need to enable direct memory addressing (DMA) on your hard disc. If you do not, you will get many, many glitches if you try to re-record without shutting down each CoolEdit session. Do this as follows: Right click on 'My Computer'; select the 'Properties' menu item, and go to the 'Device Manager' tab. You will get a list of devices. Click on the '+' sign next to 'Disk drives', select your hard disc drive: mine appears as 'Generic IDE disk type 47'. Highlight this, then select 'Properties', and the 'Settings' tab. Enable DMA in the check box, and click 'OK' all the way back up the chain. You may then need to re-boot. It is less complicated than it sounds, and has no effect on other functions of your computer. (It might improve video performance as well!) There is quite a bit of useful guidance on Syntrillium's website, where I learned to do this. John Walker From bfvasil at attbi.com Sat Jan 25 00:22:33 2003 From: bfvasil at attbi.com (Bruno Vasil) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 18:22:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Analog to Digital Conversion/Terratec-EWX 24/96 References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030124225638.00a6e170@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <3E31CAB9.8010709@attbi.com> I found this soundcard on the MusiciansFriend site here in the U.S. for $169.99.. the link is: http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/sid=030124150548066031124105079584/search/g=rec/s=specials/detail/base_id/52845 or go to: http://www.musiciansfriend.com/ and put Terratec into the SEARCH box and all the Terratc products will come up.. Ezio wrote: > > Please, do NOT consider Sound Blaster products more than a toy good > for kids . > There are (very few) affordable boards that can make a respectable > task when coming to analog to digi conversion + post editing + > restauration/pristine + CD rec. + (eventually) conversion to MP3 . > I strongly suggest you look to www.terratec.com > site and have a look to the EWX 24/96 board . > It costs about 350$ or Euros (often available from eBay Germany for a > lower amount of money) and it is provided with Wavelab Lite by > Steiberg ( www.steinberg.net ) . > I ordinarily record on disk sampling at 96KHz and 24bit hardware 32bit > software then I restaure / pristine (declicker is almost vital > !!!!!!!!!!! when recording vinyls and Noise Gate / de-hisser when > recording from tapes ... ) always at 32 bit ... and just at the end of > the tasks I am obliged by red-book orange-book standards to transform > the files into 41KHz sampling + 16bit ... or my Naka CD readers won't > read the CDs (if I would eventually have a writer capable of 32bit > writing ! ... he he he he ) . > Bruno -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Sat Jan 25 00:33:19 2003 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 00:33:19 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Analog to Digital Conversion/Terratec-EWX 24/96 In-Reply-To: <3E31CAB9.8010709@attbi.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030124225638.00a6e170@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030125003121.00a6bcf0@box.tin.it> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jdieguez at wanadoo.es Sat Jan 25 00:44:04 2003 From: jdieguez at wanadoo.es (Javi Dieguez) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 00:44:04 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Analog to Digital Conversion References: Message-ID: <004a01c2c402$9ad627a0$f6c8253e@javi> I also do this task quite a bit!! In fact I use my computer to record anything analog or digital, and I strive for the best quality possible (that's why I just bought a nak!!!) I have found that you can ger REALLY good quality using an standalone DAT deck to perform the A/D conversion. Most sony's will have a "monitor mode", so that they are performing the A/D conversion of anything you throw at their line-ins, and will output a digital stream out their optical (and/or) coaxial outputs. You can find DAT decks for cheap in ebay. No matter if they are listed as broken / having mechanical problems, etc. as far as the electronics are OK. Then you just need to use a digital soundcard to get that stream into your computer without any further losses. But be careful, the digital soundcard must be of decent quality (don't get soundblasters...they resample/mess with the input and add noise). You can get something as cheap as a zoltrix nittinghale (sp) that will do the job. Or a midiman delta dio. For those with an ISA slot, I recommend (and use!) a zefiro ZA2. ----- Mensaje original ----- De: Robert Kent Para: Enviado: viernes 24 de enero de 2003 22:30 Asunto: [naktalk] Analog to Digital Conversion > Does anyone have experience with using either an internal or external stereo (2 channel) Analog to > Digital converter to bypass the sound card (inputting through the USB or Firewire ports), and > hopefully get a little better quality when recording the files to the hard drive? Any product > suggestions? Or is this a fool's mission? From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Sat Jan 25 01:23:02 2003 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 01:23:02 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Analog to Digital Conversion In-Reply-To: <004a01c2c402$9ad627a0$f6c8253e@javi> References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030125011847.00a767e0@box.tin.it> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmtooley at ce.net Sat Jan 25 01:56:41 2003 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 19:56:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 10 Thumbs Man mends a Cassette Deck!!! References: <001201c2c3fa$17ec5600$54e1193e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <014d01c2c40c$a014bb00$64116343@johnnyrotten> What did you do to the none spinning capstan? John T. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 5:44 PM Subject: [naktalk] 10 Thumbs Man mends a Cassette Deck!!! > I invite general applause and congratulations for fixing my first cassette > deck! The ReVox stopped working in Play ... and I discovered what the > problem was and fixed it! Yes, I know - small beer for most of you guys > but, remember, I'm the guy who followed Stephens good instructions and still > ended up goosing a perfectly good DAT, and of frying the tweeters out of 4 > tweeters from three sets of speakers ... I am usually Death when I get out > my screw driver and soldering iron. But for a change ... glowing feeling of > satisfaction!!! > > Had to share that ... > > Gra' > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/03 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > From blueswapper at angelfire.com Sat Jan 25 03:13:34 2003 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 18:13:34 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] MrBleus NakTalkin' (In A Global Sense) Message-ID: Good news, we've got nearly fifty contributors to the NakTalkers global list. I'm thinking this weekend about how to manage all of this information, and certainly we should prepare a searchable database for potential use later amongst us all. MS Access is the probable database software package I will use. Now, I've been dabbling with ideas on the Nak Global Map project, and that is taking shape. There is a fine geographic mapping package called ArcExplorer that is free to all users. I will use a more powerful GIS mapping package to create and manage the map info and spatial database (which will be integrated with the tabular MS Access database). More news about that concept as things come together. If you're curious about mapping in the digital age, have a look at the ArcExplorer and Geography Network websites: http://www.esri.com/software/arcexplorer/index.html http://www.geographynetwork.com/ More good news, Wouter has agreed to have us able to post the NakTalk Members database and global maps on the Naks.Com server. So, when thing do come together, I believe we have a home for our project results. Grateful thanks to Wouter for his support, I'll work with him to further define the logistics and deployment of our little project. I promise we won't use little orange (notorious cap-like) astericks for symbology on the map, maybe the small version of the Nakamichi logo will be more pleasing? Probs with copyright use though?? Oh well, we'll think of something appropriate (who's got ideas for a NakTalkers map logo/symbol?). Best regards, keep on Nakkin'..... K.J. Bleus Madison, Wisc USA Lat 43004'N, Long 89024'W --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper Psssst.... If you want to look-up your geographic location in latitude and longitude coordinates, have a try at using the World Atlas interface: http://www.worldatlas.com/aatlas/imageg.htm ____________________________________________________________ Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Jan 25 03:22:37 2003 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 19:22:37 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 problem References: <6fd11170040d.70040d6fd111@georgetown.edu> Message-ID: <007101c2c418$a1f6f210$1d3442cf@steve> Your MR-1 is fairly certainly suffering from dirty mode sensing switches. Not hard to cure. The proper way to start is to go to a real electronics parts store, i.e., not Radio Shack, and buy a "contact burnishing tool" of the narrowest width they have. Should cost 2 or 3 bucks. Next, pop the top cover off the MR-1 & try to play a tape. Corresponding with the heads moving up & down, you will see a small motor driving a white plastic cam, which has a bank of three leaf switches riding it. These are the mode sensing switches. Near the tip of each metal switch leaf, you will see a tiny wedge-shaped bit, with a corresponding bit on the opposite leaf. Turn off the deck. Stick your burnishing tool, which you may have to bend to get it in there, in between these two wedge bits on each switch. Apply a little finger pressure to close them together if they aren't already closed, and move the tool back & forth between them 5 or 10 times each. Now try it again & see if it is cured. The improper way is to substitute a strip of index card or other suitable stiff paper item, with the end dampened with WD-40 or Caig Deoxit, and simply substitute it for the burnishing tool. This should cure it. If not, repeat the procedure one more time. If it still misbehaves, it is a circuitry problem that should be seen by a Nak-experienced professional. Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer Talking Dog Transducer Company http://stephensank.com 5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] (temporarily using home address, due to imminent shop move) 505-332-0336 Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer Payments preferred through Paypal.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 3:54 PM Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 problem > Hi, > > Can anyone help me solve a problem with a MR-1 that I've just gotten? > All functions work except that when the 'play' button is pushed the > tape transport moves up and down a couple of times and then stops. > When the transport is brought up to contact the tape the hub begins to > move but stops as soon as the transport moves down and out of contact > with the tape. > > Mike > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > From blueswapper at angelfire.com Sat Jan 25 03:26:46 2003 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 18:26:46 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Niro's Dream Realised..... Message-ID: Holy snookeroos, old Niro Nakamichi has gone to the highest levels of audio design and manufacturing. Not mechanical transport gear, rather power amplification gear. A preamp control engine and power engine combo that exceeds the wildest dreams of any audio enthusiast. http://niro.net/nirotek/control.html http://niro.net/nirotek/power.html Truly, the dream engines for the Nak ZX series cassette decks!!! But whom amongst us can afford such high end (and high cost)technology? K.J. Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper ____________________________________________________________ Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus From roleo at telus.net Sat Jan 25 03:40:46 2003 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 18:40:46 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 problem References: <6fd11170040d.70040d6fd111@georgetown.edu> <007101c2c418$a1f6f210$1d3442cf@steve> Message-ID: <000b01c2c41b$2a32f960$8075059a@desktop> Stephen!! Glad you back!! --Roland ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 6:22 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] MR-1 problem > Your MR-1 is fairly certainly suffering from dirty mode sensing switches. > Not hard to cure. The proper way to start is to go to a real electronics > parts store, i.e., not Radio Shack, and buy a "contact burnishing tool" of > the narrowest width they have. Should cost 2 or 3 bucks. Next, pop the top > cover off the MR-1 & try to play a tape. Corresponding with the heads > moving up & down, you will see a small motor driving a white plastic cam, > which has a bank of three leaf switches riding it. These are the mode > sensing switches. Near the tip of each metal switch leaf, you will see a > tiny wedge-shaped bit, with a corresponding bit on the opposite leaf. Turn > off the deck. Stick your burnishing tool, which you may have to bend to get > it in there, in between these two wedge bits on each switch. Apply a little > finger pressure to close them together if they aren't already closed, and > move the tool back & forth between them 5 or 10 times each. Now try it > again & see if it is cured. > The improper way is to substitute a strip of index card or other suitable > stiff paper item, with the end dampened with WD-40 or Caig Deoxit, and > simply substitute it for the burnishing tool. > This should cure it. If not, repeat the procedure one more time. If it > still misbehaves, it is a circuitry problem that should be seen by a > Nak-experienced professional. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer > Talking Dog Transducer Company > http://stephensank.com > 5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] (temporarily using home address, due to > imminent shop move) > 505-332-0336 > Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer > Payments preferred through Paypal.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 3:54 PM > Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 problem > > > > Hi, > > > > Can anyone help me solve a problem with a MR-1 that I've just gotten? > > All functions work except that when the 'play' button is pushed the > > tape transport moves up and down a couple of times and then stops. > > When the transport is brought up to contact the tape the hub begins to > > move but stops as soon as the transport moves down and out of contact > > with the tape. > > > > Mike > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Sat Jan 25 05:39:29 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 15:39:29 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] nak parts Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201E90@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Sure have Roland, they were selling these cars in bulk just before Christmas. I did a double take when I saw the name on the car, was not impressed. What's next, Nakamichi yogurt? :) -----Original Message----- From: Roland Alford [mailto:roleo at telus.net] Sent: Saturday, 25 January 2003 6:25 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] nak parts Here's the new Nakamichi USA Parts number: 310-392-1155 You have to ask for parts which goes to Patti's line. Both times I have tried it recently, I have got her voice mail. I never left a message. Seems like Nakamichi is going down the tubes though. Have you guys seen the crappy toy cars that carry the "Nakamichi" brand name? Is nothing sacred??!! --Roland ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] nak parts > > Nah, had a hard time contacting Nakamichi's new Singapore headoffice last > year. I was tryng to get old nak pb head and test tape - but it seemed the > 'new Nak' only interested in selling lifestyle or music station system / > parts. > > Anyway you might want to try contacting Eric Goh: eric at nakamichi.com or > egks78 at pacific.net.sg. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: kannan_s at vsnl.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 1:19 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] nak parts > > > You will find strange things happening at Nakamichi US website - no more > parts, service or Phone numbers to contact. I would not be surprised to see > that US office shifting to Malasia or Thailand soon. Probably Salim would be > able to visit their parts center and procure parts for us! > Did any of US based Nak talkers call Patti recently??? > Kannan > > timbarrett at cox.net > wrote > Gentlemen - > > My email letter to 'parts at nakamichi.com' was just returned to me as > undeliverable. > Does anyone know if that address has changed without my knowing it, or is > that no > longer available at all? I believe it's been about a year since I last > communicated > with Patty via that address. > > Regards, > Tim > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From enoyes at snet.net Sat Jan 25 06:49:01 2003 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 00:49:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] nak parts References: <3E314109.14013.EB9FA4@localhost> Message-ID: <3E32254B.BC05AD3D@snet.net> The person who I believe can provide an exact pulse on the status of Nak parts and Patty would be Jeff Galin, he is very tight with that organization. Last time I ordered belts (about 9 months ago), Patty did tell me that she strongly suggested that I order anything I might need in the very near future... one of those "you didn't hear it from me..." kind of comments. It would be sad if the Torrence office is now past tense and I'll particularly miss Patty in parts who was one of the most unique characters I've ever encountered! Ed timbarrett at cox.net wrote: > Well, I just gave it a shot and called the 800 number. No one picks up, and it should > be 10:30 A.M. their time. This doesn't look good. > > Tim > > On 24 Jan 2003 at 23:49, kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > > From: kannan_s at vsnl.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] nak parts > Copies to: Send reply to: naktalk at naks.com > > > Date sent: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 23:49:44 +0530 (IST) > > > You will find strange things happening at Nakamichi US website - no > > more parts, service or Phone numbers to contact. I would not be > > surprised to see that US office shifting to Malasia or Thailand soon. > > Probably Salim would be able to visit their parts center and procure > > parts for us! Did any of US based Nak talkers call Patti recently??? > > Kannan > > > > timbarrett at cox.net > > wrote > > Gentlemen - > > > > My email letter to 'parts at nakamichi.com' was just returned to me as > > undeliverable. Does anyone know if that address has changed without > > my knowing it, or is that no longer available at all? I believe it's > > been about a year since I last communicated with Patty via that > > address. > > > > Regards, > > Tim > > ========-------------------------------------------------------------- > > ----========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========-------------------------------------------------------------- > > ----========= > > > > > > ========-------------------------------------------------------------- > > ----========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========-------------------------------------------------------------- > > ----========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Sat Jan 25 09:30:04 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 10:30:04 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Graham: Pioneer CTS-830S Question Message-ID: Hi Graham, Does the Pioneer CTS-830S have a manual bias over-ride after running S/Auto BLE XD? I'm glad you enjoy the dual cap Pioneer. And the slanted Ref Master Mechanism is indeed very gentle and compliant, while being very steady. I personally enjoy the sound quality which generally means the "generic" Pioneer characteristics. (Up-front, assertive, one reviewer I recall accused one of their higher CTS series as being "a touch too keen!!!"). Dolby S is dead-handy without a doubt. Have you tried calibrating a good type 1 and recording some well mastered pop/jazz without Dolby. I tried that with one of Scarlet's albums, "Naked", to a TDK AD, and was really impressed. Oh well, I supposed I'm about to be flamed, good and proper now!! Cheers, Marc >>> graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk 01/17/03 10:36PM >>> I'm ALMOST 48 (birthday next month, guys ... get buying those presents for me ...) and live near Liverpool in the UK. I started with cassette way back 29 years ago when I bought a Sony unit that packed it's own amplifier and speakers. I've still got it ... for old times sake, not to use. I upgraded to a Aiwa AD1800 (top of the range in the UK at the time I bought it) about 3 years later, which gave good service for a number of years and still doesn't sound too bad. At that time I also heard about Nakamichi ... but they were way out of my price range. A couple or so years ago, I picked up a brand new Pioneer CTS830S @ half price. I know some of you aren't impressed by the Pioneer decks but this one does an excellent job in Dolby S and is brilliant at bringing life back into very old recordings. It will also play and record on tapes as long as C120 without any problems ... can't say that about a Nak! However ... I got my first Nak', a BX-1, courtesy of Stephen almost two years ago. A few months later, fortune smiled on me, I got a small windfall and acquired a ZX-9 from a fellow in Holland. Oh, that ZX-9 .... who needs Dolby S with one of these??? Last year I also bought a RX-505 on e-Bay. I've never touched, let alone heard it because it went straight to Stephen for servicing and repair and is now on sale on e-Bay. (Bidding is currently at the ridiculously low price of $375 ... I hope it goes higher than that!) I have also recently bought a ReVox B215 but have not yet received it - it's in transit from Paris. Luckily, there is a ReVox service engineer only an hour's drive from here, so I am hoping this deck will offer me god service, too. My next purchase ... I might be tempted by a CR7, for the azimuth adjust' playback, as an alternative to the Pioneer but, more likely, I think I may go for a HD recorder with built-in CD/R ... Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > The BlueSwapper > Sent: 17 January 2003 03:41 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Cc: blueswapper at angelfire.com > Subject: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) > > > Dear NakTalk friends > > I'm pleased with the refreshing recent return to Nak related > topics, and I'm quite intrigued with the growing international > mix of the membership. Being a geographer and cartographer > during my early professional career (that was twenty years ago, > I'm now an information systems manager involved with geographic > information system & global positioning system technologies), I'd > like to gather information from NakTalkers to create a spatial > database of who you are, where you live, years you've collected > Nak gear, decks you possess, et cetera. With such a database of > information, I could then easily create a nice global map showing > where everyone resides in relation to each other. Selected > information could also be attributed to locations and names. And > from that a digital colored map image could then be created > shared between all participating NakTalkers. This might be a > fair amount of work for me, but let's see if there is interest > and usefulness for the membership. > > Haven't you occasionally wondered where someone who posted a > message lives in the world? Well, a global location map might be > a nice visual compliment to understanding where your NakTalk > friends are emailing us world-wide. I'm curious if others have > similar feelings about furthering global comradery and understanding. > > Interested in supporting and furthering my idea? I will wait for > your replies, directly to me or via NakTalk. > > Best regards, > > K.J. Bleus > > --- > Help keep the blues alive! Give Peace A Chance!!! > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! > Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/03 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/03 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Sat Jan 25 08:39:08 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 09:39:08 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi and cassette resource page Message-ID: Excellent idea Jim, really. That would be very useful. I have some data to contribute for that, public stuff, but it is at least together and ready. Regards, Marc >>> jvolpatti at earthlink.net 01/24/03 07:56AM >>> I just had another idea for Wouter or KJ's website. How about a resource page with web links, company names and addresses for reliable Nakamichi service, parts and cassette supplies, categorized by region? What do you guys think? Jim Volpatti ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Sat Jan 25 09:05:04 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 10:05:04 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] OT: rubber reconditioner:SALIM: B+O 4002 DRIVE BELT Message-ID: Hi Salim, Sorry about being slow on the uptake here. There is a B+O turntable user on another group (high_end_audio_video) to which I also subscribe who is up in Nairobi, Kenya. As it happens, he seems to have a useful contact with B+O in Denmark, so I shall follow this up with him. His name is Karani Weli and is quite a character. Certainly, he seems to have had some luck in this area, particularly with their specific cartridges. I'll get back to you, Regards, Marc >>> smarzuki at indosat.net.id 01/17/03 05:56PM >>> Hi all, Does anybody know how to recondition a very old rubber belt ? A turntable belt has snapped and the only spare is also old and brittle. Any idea to save the belt is much appreciated ... it is a hard-to-find 35 inch beogram 4002 belt. Thanks much in advance, Salim SM The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jan 25 10:34:07 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 09:34:07 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] 10 Thumbs Man mends a Cassette Deck!!! In-Reply-To: <014d01c2c40c$a014bb00$64116343@johnnyrotten> Message-ID: <001d01c2c454$e833c8c0$54e1193e@oemcomputer> There was a lot of dirt behind the big weight (technical term!)and the board out of which the end of the capstan extends inside the deck. Dust, I'd guess. Loosened it all with some tape head cleaner and used a piece of paper in the gap between board and weight and manually turned the weight. That freed it up and it started to turn on his own steam again. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > John M. Tooley > Sent: 25 January 2003 00:57 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 10 Thumbs Man mends a Cassette Deck!!! > > > What did you do to the none spinning capstan? > > John T. > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/03 From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jan 25 11:18:03 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 10:18:03 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Graham: Pioneer CTS-830S Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002601c2c45b$0b90c420$54e1193e@oemcomputer> Hi Mark, yes there is manual over ride, which allows you to adjust the bias tuning up or down. I am told by some engineers that the guts of these decks leave a lot to be desired. Not being an engineer that worries me less than what it sounds like! Sure it doesn't match my ZX-9 but then that would be an unfair comparison anyway - ZX-9 old retail $1200? CTS-830S retail $600?? (It was originally £600 in the UK - I bought mine as new old stock, just after they'd been discontinued, for £149, which is a lot less than I paid for my 3rd or 4th hand ZX-9.) Nevertheless, the Pioneer records piano very well - very stable - and .... it actually beats the ZX-9 in that it can replay Dolby S recordings very well, and its FLEX circuit works very well on bringing to life cassettes recorded on other decks and faded old recordings. Sure, azimuth playback, on a CR7 may over come the first of those even better but I don't have that on a ZX-9 and no Nak' can bring back to life faded recordings, not like the Pioneer CTS830S. Also, the Pioneer can handle delicate tapes much better ... i.e. it will record on and play back tapes longer than a C90! I guess the way it brakes when it gets to the end of a fast rewind or fast forward has a lot to do with that. In contrast, my ZX-9 murdered three nice C110 metal tapes ... just after I'd recorded on them! Then, record onto a good metal tape, on Doby B onto both ZX9 and CTS830S, and play back ... the difference isn't really that great. But record on the CTS830S with Dolby S and the ZX9 on Dolby B or C ... I doubt if many people could immediatly tell the difference. Of course I can but then, I've been listening to both decks for quite long while and got used to the subtle differences. Thus, the ZX-9 is still my first choice for recording and playback. Now I'll probably get flamed, too! Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Mark Hugo > Sent: 25 January 2003 08:30 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Graham: Pioneer CTS-830S Question > > > Hi Graham, > > Does the Pioneer CTS-830S have a manual bias over-ride after > running S/Auto BLE XD? > > I'm glad you enjoy the dual cap Pioneer. And the slanted Ref > Master Mechanism is indeed very gentle and compliant, while being > very steady. I personally enjoy the sound quality which > generally means the "generic" Pioneer characteristics. > (Up-front, assertive, one reviewer I recall accused one of their > higher CTS series as being "a touch too keen!!!"). Dolby S is > dead-handy without a doubt. Have you tried calibrating a good > type 1 and recording some well mastered pop/jazz without Dolby. > I tried that with one of Scarlet's albums, "Naked", to a TDK AD, > and was really impressed. > > Oh well, I supposed I'm about to be flamed, good and proper now!! > > Cheers, > > Marc > > > > > >>> graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk 01/17/03 10:36PM >>> > I'm ALMOST 48 (birthday next month, guys ... get buying those presents for > me ...) and live near Liverpool in the UK. I started with > cassette way back > 29 years ago when I bought a Sony unit that packed it's own amplifier and > speakers. I've still got it ... for old times sake, not to use. > I upgraded > to a Aiwa AD1800 (top of the range in the UK at the time I bought > it) about > 3 years later, which gave good service for a number of years and still > doesn't sound too bad. At that time I also heard about Nakamichi ... but > they were way out of my price range. > > A couple or so years ago, I picked up a brand new Pioneer CTS830S @ half > price. I know some of you aren't impressed by the Pioneer decks but this > one does an excellent job in Dolby S and is brilliant at bringing > life back > into very old recordings. It will also play and record on tapes > as long as > C120 without any problems ... can't say that about a Nak! However ... > > I got my first Nak', a BX-1, courtesy of Stephen almost two years ago. A > few months later, fortune smiled on me, I got a small windfall > and acquired > a ZX-9 from a fellow in Holland. Oh, that ZX-9 .... who needs > Dolby S with > one of these??? Last year I also bought a RX-505 on e-Bay. I've never > touched, let alone heard it because it went straight to Stephen for > servicing and repair and is now on sale on e-Bay. (Bidding is > currently at > the ridiculously low price of $375 ... I hope it goes higher than that!) > > I have also recently bought a ReVox B215 but have not yet > received it - it's > in transit from Paris. Luckily, there is a ReVox service engineer only an > hour's drive from here, so I am hoping this deck will offer me > god service, > too. > > My next purchase ... I might be tempted by a CR7, for the azimuth adjust' > playback, as an alternative to the Pioneer but, more likely, I think I may > go for a HD recorder with built-in CD/R ... > > Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > The BlueSwapper > > Sent: 17 January 2003 03:41 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Cc: blueswapper at angelfire.com > > Subject: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) > > > > > > Dear NakTalk friends > > > > I'm pleased with the refreshing recent return to Nak related > > topics, and I'm quite intrigued with the growing international > > mix of the membership. Being a geographer and cartographer > > during my early professional career (that was twenty years ago, > > I'm now an information systems manager involved with geographic > > information system & global positioning system technologies), I'd > > like to gather information from NakTalkers to create a spatial > > database of who you are, where you live, years you've collected > > Nak gear, decks you possess, et cetera. With such a database of > > information, I could then easily create a nice global map showing > > where everyone resides in relation to each other. Selected > > information could also be attributed to locations and names. And > > from that a digital colored map image could then be created > > shared between all participating NakTalkers. This might be a > > fair amount of work for me, but let's see if there is interest > > and usefulness for the membership. > > > > Haven't you occasionally wondered where someone who posted a > > message lives in the world? Well, a global location map might be > > a nice visual compliment to understanding where your NakTalk > > friends are emailing us world-wide. I'm curious if others have > > similar feelings about furthering global comradery and understanding. > > > > Interested in supporting and furthering my idea? I will wait for > > your replies, directly to me or via NakTalk. > > > > Best regards, > > > > K.J. Bleus > > > > --- > > Help keep the blues alive! Give Peace A Chance!!! > > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html > > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! > > Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------========= > > > > --- > > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/03 > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/03 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject > to legal privilege. 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Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/03 From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Jan 25 14:25:20 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 08:25:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Analog to Digital Conversion References: Message-ID: <3E329040.79ECAF53@rcn.com> Robert Kent wrote: > > I am considering copying some of my tapes, and perhaps LPs as well, to CD. I have done this using > input thru the sound card on the computer, and using Cool Edit 2000 to record the files to the hard > drive, then EZCDCreator to burn the CD. It is a slow process......much more tedious than recording > LPs to my CR-7A. > > Does anyone have experience with using either an internal or external stereo (2 channel) Analog to > Digital converter to bypass the sound card (inputting through the USB or Firewire ports), and > hopefully get a little better quality when recording the files to the hard drive? Any product > suggestions? Or is this a fool's mission? > > Robert Kent Most sound cards are not designed (or priced) foe serious Audio work. Take a look at Arny Krueger's web site for some boards recommended for your purpose. http://www.pcavtech.com/soundcards/reports/ -- Ron From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Sat Jan 25 09:47:09 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 10:47:09 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Yes / ELP: Salim and Tim Message-ID: Hi Tim and Salim, I recently (over the Dec hols) had a friend do me a great recording off the original (1970s) LP releases of Tarkus and Trilogy by ELP. The audio chain was Sondek+ Cirkus+ Lingo/SME V/Transfiguration Esprit via Electrocompaniet Phono-stage direct to Nak CR7E. Media was BASF Ref Maxima. The results were incredible, better than I ever remember. It was great hearing those guys after all these years. He doesn;t have a copy of "Brain Salad Surgery" so I'm still looking !! Tim, I'll look out for Triumvirate. Thanks. Cheers, Marc >>> smarzuki at indosat.net.id 01/19/03 06:49PM >>> Hi Tim, I only have a copy of Triumvirate's Pompeii and loved it ! Too bad that's about the only album available here. About ELP records, Tarkus was recorded before the live show, yet sound gorgeous. And the music ... simply incomparable to what we have thesedays. :-( Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: timbarrett at cox.net To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 4:52 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Yes / ELP Hi Salim- Another ELP fan over here ... it's not just 'welcome back my friends', but many of their recordings seem to suffer from lack of quality, specially the early albums, which is unfortunate. Are you familiar with the German group Triumvirate? They were contemporary with ELP. Look for the 'Illusions', 'old loves', or 'spartacus' albums. Cheers, Tim B On 19 Jan 2003 at 3:08, Salim Marzuki wrote: ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Sat Jan 25 10:14:13 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 11:14:13 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Sony SMM - John Tooley Message-ID: Hi John, That can be frustrating. However, I did recenly find a source, as far as I can recall, in Greece, with stocks of Sony Metal Master - the whitish ceramic beasts. I shall hunt down the details, hopefully today, for those with strong magnetic constitutions!! Regards, Marc >>> jmtooley at ce.net 01/23/03 02:51PM >>> I asked my friend in Swit. about doing it and didn't get any response, enough said ;-) John T. Quoting Mike deVera : > Sorry to dig up old topics, but back in Feb 2002, there was a long running > thread on whether John would do a group purchase for these particular Sony > metal tapes. Did that just sputter out? > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On > Behalf Of John M. Tooley > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 9:43 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony SMM (not Metal-ES) > > > Back in for 10. Okay. I must email my friend in Switzerland and see if he > has contacted them. > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kent Merideth > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 12:24 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony SMM (not Metal-ES) > > > John, > > I just noticed the Subject field indicates Sony SMM (not Metal-ES). I > just committed the error I was running into with Car & Driver magazine, > when > I requested a replacement issue, which had portions of some of the pages > torn completely out. I indicated what month was involved in the Subject > field, but failed to include it in the body of the letter, so they said > they > could not send a replacement until they knew which one was requested. > > Now you can put me back down for 10 of these if they do not go over > $10.00 each, delivered. Should have put my brain in gear, before engaging > my fingers. Hope I pay better attention to the details the rest of the > week. Sorry for the confusion, again. > > Kent > > > >>> khmerideth at anderson.edu 02/25/02 11:47AM >>> > > John, > > Yes, I was thinking the tapes were Metal Master, as was being discussed > at the beginning. I missed the transition to ES somewhere along the way. > Sorry for my not picking up on this. Delete my previous request. > > Kent > Indiana > > > >>> jmtooley at ce.net 02/25/02 08:41AM >>> > Kent, > Should I now drop your name from the list? > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 11:33 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony SMM (not Metal-ES) > > > > In a message dated 2/23/2002 11:03:32 PM Central Standard Time, > > khmerideth at anderson.edu writes: > > > > << Tom, > > > > I was thinking it was Metal Master we were talking about also. When > I > > realized it was ES, I dropped out. The two ES 90's I have are good, > but > > am not sure I want to spend $8-$10 on them. If they had been Metal > > Master, I was willing to try it for this amount. This does not mean > the > > ES is not a good tape, it is very good. I was all set to try out > the > > Metal Master, as was originally being discussed. > > > > Kent > > Indiana >> > > > > OK, now I'm confused. The link below is not the Sony Metal ES Pro > but > the > > Metal Master. 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The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Sat Jan 25 11:19:04 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 12:19:04 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] James..... your DR-3 and music for the kitchen!! Message-ID: Howzit James (to use a SA colloquialism), That Great Dane in the kitchen must go (or rather, be asked to leave). Well, Graham started this!! Seriously, nothing wrong with the Sony for culinary mellows. At least it's not a "Yotaka or Yang-Sin (or some other non-descript make from China). I read with interest you experiences with playing some old tapes on your DR-3 and noted your observations on results from different cassette decks. Isn't Saint-Saens Syph. 3 "Organ" amazing. That's a really complex and powerful piece of music (extraordinary real bass), and the very sort that data-reduced formats fall apart on. The steady transport of the Nak will do justice to recording piano which can show up wow and flutter components on cassette decks rather quickly. Speaking of Chopin, I was just yesterday listening to a recording made off air (on BASF Chrome Dioxid Super II) of a remarkable young Italian pianist doing memorable jiustice to Chopins Piano Concerto 2 in a live piano competition recorded some years ago, His name, Fabio Bedini. I know Martha Argerich is touted as the standard, but sometimes the inspiration of the moment............... Your fun has only started - it's recording next. And well done on the BX-125. It's also a geat (and hardy) deck. And the Alan Parson's.....you certainly have broad musical tastes!! I too will climb on Bleu's APP offer. Which Thoren's record deck are you using. Are you considering going the MC route? I am preesently considering a Thorens TD-125 with Agostini's Black Widow arm and an entry level moving coil. Cheers, Marc The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Sat Jan 25 11:33:29 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 12:33:29 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal tapes: Opinions on Sony Metal SR Message-ID: I have never used Sony Metal Masters, but have used Metal SR. I have found them very different to other metals in that they have a low noise floor, nealry as low as quiet type IIs (not as quiet as the pure natural CrO2s from BASF in the mid-eighties, but nearly. Also, they are more sensitive to excessive level (more so than other metals, taking TDK MA or Fuji Metal-Z as a comparison). As stated below, they are a tad duller too, assuming bias adjust is maintained at the detent. On the upside they share with other metals a more powerful tonality, taut definition and overall expressiveness than the majority of type IIs. Incidently, recording without Dolby on Metal SR is consequently rewarded due to the above virtues. Cheers, Marc >>> Ken.Gentry at gilbarco.com 01/23/03 06:50PM >>> Anyone had experience with Sony Metal SR or Super Metal Master tapes? Here's some links to info on them: http://www.sel.sony.com/SEL/rmeg/mediatech/indexdir.html http://www.sel.sony.com/SEL/rmeg/audio/cat1.html The yahoo.com link below is a way to pay $15.75 EACH for the Super Metal Masters. Geez, for that kind of money I hope that tape is nice! I've never paid more than about $9 for a metal tape (MA-XG). http://shop.store.yahoo.com/protape/c-90-sony-type-iv.html The Metal SR-100 tapes are available for around $2.50 USD from here: http://www.boutiquescanada.com/Boutiques/qualitaspro/c30949p101670.2.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Sat Jan 25 11:48:03 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 12:48:03 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 120uS Type IIs: Kent in Indiana Message-ID: Hi Kent That was very interesting. I have several duplicate pre-recordings of material on just such cassettes (in new condition) and of course, it occurred to me to "recycle" them. The excessive brightness issue occurred on one deck, but I haven't expereinced the inability to erase properly yet. However, I may have been using a TASCAM 112 or one of the Naks to overide EQ, without realizing the need per se. I never even bothered to look at the type-recognition slots at the top!! I enjoyed your discourse on the APP exercise, the tapes you intend using, and for what. Thanks again, Marc The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From jmtooley at ce.net Sat Jan 25 16:51:06 2003 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 10:51:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 10 Thumbs Man mends a Cassette Deck!!! References: <001d01c2c454$e833c8c0$54e1193e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <004701c2c489$92cb5d00$2d106343@johnnyrotten> Sounds like she could do with a clean and tune-up. John T. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 4:34 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] 10 Thumbs Man mends a Cassette Deck!!! > There was a lot of dirt behind the big weight (technical term!)and the board > out of which the end of the capstan extends inside the deck. Dust, I'd > guess. Loosened it all with some tape head cleaner and used a piece of > paper in the gap between board and weight and manually turned the weight. > That freed it up and it started to turn on his own steam again. > > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > John M. Tooley > > Sent: 25 January 2003 00:57 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 10 Thumbs Man mends a Cassette Deck!!! > > > > > > What did you do to the none spinning capstan? > > > > John T. > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/03 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > From roleo at telus.net Sat Jan 25 17:35:04 2003 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 08:35:04 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Analog to Digital Conversion References: <3E329040.79ECAF53@rcn.com> Message-ID: <001901c2c48f$b71c5550$8075059a@desktop> There is also another option: If you're not prepared to shell out big bucks for an "audiophile" sound card, many professional audio places rent good quality pro CD recorders by the week. It will probably run you $30.00 for a week's rental and you can do your work in that time frame. I took this route once and wasn't disappointed. They rented me a HHB CDR-850 and it was great. But be warned, you're going to want to buy a deck after you try this. Like many, I have an ongoing desire to create digital recordings, and so I ended up buying a deck. I now have a TASCAM CD-RW2000 which I picked up for $425.00 used but in like new condition. Roland ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 5:25 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Analog to Digital Conversion > > Robert Kent wrote: > > > > I am considering copying some of my tapes, and perhaps LPs as well, to CD. I have done this using > > input thru the sound card on the computer, and using Cool Edit 2000 to record the files to the hard > > drive, then EZCDCreator to burn the CD. It is a slow process......much more tedious than recording > > LPs to my CR-7A. > > > > Does anyone have experience with using either an internal or external stereo (2 channel) Analog to > > Digital converter to bypass the sound card (inputting through the USB or Firewire ports), and > > hopefully get a little better quality when recording the files to the hard drive? Any product > > suggestions? Or is this a fool's mission? > > > > Robert Kent > > Most sound cards are not designed (or priced) foe serious > Audio work. Take a look at Arny Krueger's web site for some > boards recommended for your purpose. > > http://www.pcavtech.com/soundcards/reports/ > > -- Ron > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > From wjw at warwick.net Sat Jan 25 17:43:25 2003 From: wjw at warwick.net (Bill Wheatley) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 11:43:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Analog to Digital Conversion References: <3E329040.79ECAF53@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3E32BEAD.6D6994E8@warwick.net> Hi Robert, I don't know about 'by-passing' the soundcard. Maybe someone else knows if this is possible. I have been involved in a project of transferring 7" reels and cassettes to CD's for a couple of years now, and I'll tell you what I know, and what I'm using. I did some online research and consulted several 'sound experienced' people I know before I chose this setup. First, as Ron said, you need a good sound card if you want good results. The better the sound card, the better the results. I've been using the Lynx One card. It was rated as 'one of the top 10' when I got it a couple years ago. It works fine for me. It has analog and digital 'in and out' cables, and I think it is capable of 24 bit, or at least 20 bit- the new ones, or other cards, may be capable of 32 bit. I use 16 bit, because you have to reconvert everything back to 16 bit anyway when you go to burn an audio CD. My initial and somewhat limited experience with sampling at a higher bit rate and then reconverting it to 16 bit was that it could actually make the recording sound more 'noisey'. Others may disagree with me on this. The main point is: you need a very good quality sound card to get good results. Second, you need some good software. I use the "Sound Forge" software from Sonic Foundry. "Cool Edit" may serve you just as well- I'm not familiar with it. I'm using the 4.5 version of Sound Forge, which was what was available when I started. I think it's up to 6.0 now. I also got the 2.0 Noise Reduction plug-in to go with it, as it's much more advanced and versatile than the noise reduction features that come with the 'basic' version. I find that Soundforge has some very good features for LP and 78 restoration (click, pop, and rumble removal)which have several easy to use default modes, but which can also be manually adjusted. Interestingly enough, the vinyl restoration will also work on an LP or 78 that has been recorded to tape and then put into the computer, although I'd imagine that it would be best to record the LP or 78 directly from a turntable into the computer. The 2.0 Noise Reduction plug-in handles tape hiss very well. Sound Forge has lots and lots of features and is a very 'deep' program, but it's fairly easy to learn how to use it effectively for what you want to do. There's a book, "Sound Forge Power", written by one of their technicians, that I've found useful and a little simpler than the extensive 'Help' section that comes included with the software. This set up has served me well ( and I don't work for either company, by the way). You can run any analog or digital source directly into the computer and then work on the 'file' you've created until you get the results you're looking for. The more RAM you have, the faster any processing you do to the recording will be. You can do processes like normalization, equalization and noise reduction in seconds on a short recording, but each process can take several minutes on a longer recording, and that's using 256K of RAM. All initial recording into the computer has to be done in 'real time', of course, and then it just depends on how much you want to process your files before you burn them to CD. Of course it's going to take more time than just recording an LP to cassette, but it becomes less tedious once you get the hang of it. So, this is my setup. I've been satisfied with it so far. It's not 'cheap', though. Probably a total of about $700-$900 for the soundcard and the software. Others may have less expensive solutions. Bill > Robert Kent wrote: > > > > I am considering copying some of my tapes, and perhaps LPs as well, to CD. I have done this using > > input thru the sound card on the computer, and using Cool Edit 2000 to record the files to the hard > > drive, then EZCDCreator to burn the CD. It is a slow process......much more tedious than recording > > LPs to my CR-7A. > > > > Does anyone have experience with using either an internal or external stereo (2 channel) Analog to > > Digital converter to bypass the sound card (inputting through the USB or Firewire ports), and > > hopefully get a little better quality when recording the files to the hard drive? Any product > > suggestions? Or is this a fool's mission? > > > > Robert Kent From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Jan 25 18:49:32 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 00:49:32 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 problem - RX 202 counter References: <6fd11170040d.70040d6fd111@georgetown.edu> <007101c2c418$a1f6f210$1d3442cf@steve> Message-ID: <000001c2c49e$89b347e0$8a299bca@smarzuki> Hi Stephen, good to see you back on naktalk ! I have a question regarding RX 202 counter 'template' which is a round reflective paper with black cross and mounted behind take up reel. The sensor did not receive sufficient light (?) from the reflective paper and as a result even though the reel is turning, tape counter did not move and transport stopped. This is the second time I notice such problem (never on BX) (reason to own 202s at a good price =) and my workaround is to glue pieces of aluminum paper on top of the shiny part. It worked, but the counter doesn't go as smooth as original. My question: is there any possible electronic modification to make the sensor more sensitive ? Or will it shorten the life of sensor ? Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Sank To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 9:22 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] MR-1 problem Your MR-1 is fairly certainly suffering from dirty mode sensing switches. Not hard to cure. The proper way to start is to go to a real electronics parts store, i.e., not Radio Shack, and buy a "contact burnishing tool" of the narrowest width they have. Should cost 2 or 3 bucks. Next, pop the top cover off the MR-1 & try to play a tape. Corresponding with the heads moving up & down, you will see a small motor driving a white plastic cam, which has a bank of three leaf switches riding it. These are the mode sensing switches. Near the tip of each metal switch leaf, you will see a tiny wedge-shaped bit, with a corresponding bit on the opposite leaf. Turn off the deck. Stick your burnishing tool, which you may have to bend to get it in there, in between these two wedge bits on each switch. Apply a little finger pressure to close them together if they aren't already closed, and move the tool back & forth between them 5 or 10 times each. Now try it again & see if it is cured. The improper way is to substitute a strip of index card or other suitable stiff paper item, with the end dampened with WD-40 or Caig Deoxit, and simply substitute it for the burnishing tool. This should cure it. If not, repeat the procedure one more time. If it still misbehaves, it is a circuitry problem that should be seen by a Nak-experienced professional. Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer Talking Dog Transducer Company http://stephensank.com 5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] (temporarily using home address, due to imminent shop move) 505-332-0336 Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer Payments preferred through Paypal.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 3:54 PM Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 problem > Hi, > > Can anyone help me solve a problem with a MR-1 that I've just gotten? > All functions work except that when the 'play' button is pushed the > tape transport moves up and down a couple of times and then stops. > When the transport is brought up to contact the tape the hub begins to > move but stops as soon as the transport moves down and out of contact > with the tape. > > Mike > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From blueswapper at angelfire.com Sat Jan 25 19:46:04 2003 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 10:46:04 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: APP History Distribution Message-ID: Dear NakTalkers...... Please excuse my indulgence, I'm just trying to gather the few fellows interested in the APP History cassette distribution. Graham, Kannan, Kent, Marc, Ron, other NakTalkers interested in the Alan Parsons Project (APP) oral history cassette tape distribution, email me directly with your email and surface mailing addresses. Essential information that I will require to pull logistics together for the project. To avoid clogging up NakTalk discussions, email me direct at . Kindly use the subject title "Re: APP History Distribution". Thanks for your cooperation. Update on the cassette preparation will be sent to you directly (off-line from NakTalk, I'll create a specific email distrib list) as soon as we can gather all comers to the cassette distribution. I'm doing the master cassette preparation this afternoon. Get in-touch with me then, let's have the show fully on the road! Best regards, keep on Nakkin'..... K.J. Bleus Madison, Wisc USA Lat 43004'N, Long 89024'W ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Help keep the blues alive! Spread the word!!! http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html Psssst.... If you want to look-up your geographic location in latitude and longitude coordinates, have a try at using the World Atlas interface: http://www.worldatlas.com/aatlas/imageg.htm ____________________________________________________________ Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Sat Jan 25 19:48:53 2003 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 19:48:53 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Analog to Digital Conversion In-Reply-To: <3E32BEAD.6D6994E8@warwick.net> References: <3E329040.79ECAF53@rcn.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030125194809.00aaddd0@box.tin.it> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Jan 25 21:00:59 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 03:00:59 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Yes / ELP: Salim and Tim References: Message-ID: <003d01c2c4ac$967a1f40$8a299bca@smarzuki> What an LP system ! It's definitely refreshing to hear these recordings again (I also missed Brain Salad) especially using 'current' technology. Which one do you think made the biggest change compared to first time we hear those LPs, stylus or speakers ? Mark, thanks for the lead on beogram belt. I like the turntable but too bad the installed mmc is probably already brittle and doesn't sound as good as yesteryears. Best regards, Salim SM PS: Any recommendation on yes/elp/others live show dvd ? ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Hugo To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Yes / ELP: Salim and Tim Hi Tim and Salim, I recently (over the Dec hols) had a friend do me a great recording off the original (1970s) LP releases of Tarkus and Trilogy by ELP. The audio chain was Sondek+ Cirkus+ Lingo/SME V/Transfiguration Esprit via Electrocompaniet Phono-stage direct to Nak CR7E. Media was BASF Ref Maxima. The results were incredible, better than I ever remember. It was great hearing those guys after all these years. He doesn;t have a copy of "Brain Salad Surgery" so I'm still looking !! Tim, I'll look out for Triumvirate. Thanks. Cheers, Marc From jamesbakner at yahoo.com Sat Jan 25 21:00:36 2003 From: jamesbakner at yahoo.com (James bakner) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 12:00:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] James..... your DR-3 and music for the kitchen!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030125200036.69409.qmail@web40304.mail.yahoo.com> Marc - The Thorens I have is model TD 145 with the stock tonearm. I bought it from a man here in Virginia who upgraded to a Linn. He had all the cables on the Thorens upgraded to "Audioquest". After receiving my Nak deck and getting it hooked up; I got excited to get the Thorens running: it did not come with a cartridge. The previous owner recommended a "Grado" cartridge and said that there was an independent stereo store in Roanoke that carried Grado cartridges. Even though it is only an hour away, I rarely get to the city, and did not forsee anytime in the next month that I could get there during the day. After reading the directions for the Thorens on how to install the cartridge (My old Technics had a "P-mount" cartridge) I realized I would need a mirror to set the cartridge up properly. So, I ordered a mirror and an inexpensive "Walco" cartridge from "Turntablebasics.com" and they should be in the mail next week...... One thing I do miss about living in the city are the independent stereo stores with the nice equipment..... even though I always did more looking and listening than buying. One thing nice about this modern world and computers is that it brings people together from far away with common interests; And E bay and other site makes it possible to find good deals on equipment that were impossible to find in the old days. Back when I was in High School in Dallas and then College in Austin I would kill an entire day every month or two going to all of the Pawn shops looking for interesting stereo pieces. For all of the time spent; I did not buy much (I had less money then, too) but it was fun. We'll talk to you later, James Bakner --- Mark Hugo wrote: > Howzit James (to use a SA colloquialism), > > That Great Dane in the kitchen must go (or rather, > be asked to leave). Well, Graham started this!! > > Seriously, nothing wrong with the Sony for culinary > mellows. At least it's not a "Yotaka or Yang-Sin > (or some other non-descript make from China). > > I read with interest you experiences with playing > some old tapes on your DR-3 and noted your > observations on results from different cassette > decks. > > Isn't Saint-Saens Syph. 3 "Organ" amazing. That's a > really complex and powerful piece of music > (extraordinary real bass), and the very sort that > data-reduced formats fall apart on. The steady > transport of the Nak will do justice to recording > piano which can show up wow and flutter components > on cassette decks rather quickly. Speaking of > Chopin, I was just yesterday listening to a > recording made off air (on BASF Chrome Dioxid Super > II) of a remarkable young Italian pianist doing > memorable jiustice to Chopins Piano Concerto 2 in a > live piano competition recorded some years ago, His > name, Fabio Bedini. I know Martha Argerich is > touted as the standard, but sometimes the > inspiration of the moment............... > > Your fun has only started - it's recording next. > And well done on the BX-125. It's also a geat (and > hardy) deck. > > And the Alan Parson's.....you certainly have broad > musical tastes!! I too will climb on Bleu's APP > offer. > > Which Thoren's record deck are you using. Are you > considering going the MC route? I am preesently > considering a Thorens TD-125 with Agostini's Black > Widow arm and an entry level moving coil. > > Cheers, > > Marc __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Jan 25 21:43:47 2003 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 13:43:47 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 problem - RX 202 counter References: <6fd11170040d.70040d6fd111@georgetown.edu><007101c2c418$a1f6f210$1d3442cf@steve> <000001c2c49e$89b347e0$8a299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <018501c2c4b2$76738460$1d3442cf@steve> I've been "laying low" so as not to get further behind on my workload than I already am, and due to being in the midst of moving my shop. The only problem I ever have with the reel sensing is finding, once in a very great while, a bad photosensor behind the reel. Have you tried cleaning the sensor's little lenses? The only other thing I can suggest beyond what you've done is to further blacken the black parts of the reel sticker, just in case the sensor's not getting a good absence of reflection in between the foils. Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer Talking Dog Transducer Company http://stephensank.com 5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] (temporarily using home address, due to imminent shop move) 505-332-0336 Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer Payments preferred through Paypal.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] MR-1 problem - RX 202 counter > > Hi Stephen, good to see you back on naktalk ! > > I have a question regarding RX 202 counter 'template' which is a round > reflective paper with black cross and mounted behind take up reel. The > sensor did not receive sufficient light (?) from the reflective paper and as > a result even though the reel is turning, tape counter did not move and > transport stopped. > > This is the second time I notice such problem (never on BX) (reason to own > 202s at a good price =) and my workaround is to glue pieces of aluminum > paper on top of the shiny part. It worked, but the counter doesn't go as > smooth as original. My question: is there any possible electronic > modification to make the sensor more sensitive ? Or will it shorten the > life of sensor ? > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Stephen Sank > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 9:22 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MR-1 problem > > > Your MR-1 is fairly certainly suffering from dirty mode sensing switches. > Not hard to cure. The proper way to start is to go to a real electronics > parts store, i.e., not Radio Shack, and buy a "contact burnishing tool" of > the narrowest width they have. Should cost 2 or 3 bucks. Next, pop the top > cover off the MR-1 & try to play a tape. Corresponding with the heads > moving up & down, you will see a small motor driving a white plastic cam, > which has a bank of three leaf switches riding it. These are the mode > sensing switches. Near the tip of each metal switch leaf, you will see a > tiny wedge-shaped bit, with a corresponding bit on the opposite leaf. Turn > off the deck. Stick your burnishing tool, which you may have to bend to get > it in there, in between these two wedge bits on each switch. Apply a little > finger pressure to close them together if they aren't already closed, and > move the tool back & forth between them 5 or 10 times each. Now try it > again & see if it is cured. > The improper way is to substitute a strip of index card or other suitable > stiff paper item, with the end dampened with WD-40 or Caig Deoxit, and > simply substitute it for the burnishing tool. > This should cure it. If not, repeat the procedure one more time. If it > still misbehaves, it is a circuitry problem that should be seen by a > Nak-experienced professional. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer > Talking Dog Transducer Company > http://stephensank.com > 5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] (temporarily using home address, due to > imminent shop move) > 505-332-0336 > Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer > Payments preferred through Paypal.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 3:54 PM > Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 problem > > > > Hi, > > > > Can anyone help me solve a problem with a MR-1 that I've just gotten? > > All functions work except that when the 'play' button is pushed the > > tape transport moves up and down a couple of times and then stops. > > When the transport is brought up to contact the tape the hub begins to > > move but stops as soon as the transport moves down and out of contact > > with the tape. > > > > Mike > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > From John at jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk Sat Jan 25 22:31:57 2003 From: John at jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 21:31:57 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Yes / ELP: Salim and Tim References: <003d01c2c4ac$967a1f40$8a299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3E33024D.8070907@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Salim wrote: "Which one do you think made the biggest change compared to first time we hear those LPs, stylus or speakers ?" What a good question! Those of you who know me, know that I am a fan of esoteric transducers both front and back. (I have an unclad Lyra cartridge, and Martin-Logan electrostatic speakers.) Using the GIGO analogy (garbage-in, garbage-out), I reckon that the cartridge is the first to go for - a good moving coil seems to produce much more detail than any moving magnet. Once you have achieved this half step to Nirvana, you are then ready to try higher resolution speakers. The other approach, brilliant speakers with a less good cartridge would just remind you how urgent that cartridge update was! One of you guys bought a pair of Martin-Logans recently. I can't remember who (Kannan?). How are you getting on with them? John Walker, currently buying old Pink Floyd and Yes albums on eBay. (But not ready to go back to ELP, not yet!) From timbarrett at cox.net Sat Jan 25 22:39:46 2003 From: timbarrett at cox.net (timbarrett at cox.net) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 16:39:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Yes / ELP: Salim and Tim In-Reply-To: <003d01c2c4ac$967a1f40$8a299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3E32BDD2.12585.12282A@localhost> Salim- Which B&O parts are you looking for? I may be able to find what you need. Tim On 26 Jan 2003 at 3:00, Salim Marzuki wrote: > > What an LP system ! It's definitely refreshing to hear these > recordings again (I also missed Brain Salad) especially using > 'current' technology. Which one do you think made the biggest change > compared to first time we hear those LPs, stylus or speakers ? > > Mark, thanks for the lead on beogram belt. I like the turntable but > too bad the installed mmc is probably already brittle and doesn't > sound as good as yesteryears. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > PS: Any recommendation on yes/elp/others live show dvd ? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mark Hugo > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 3:47 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Yes / ELP: Salim and Tim > > > Hi Tim and Salim, > > I recently (over the Dec hols) had a friend do me a great recording > off the original (1970s) LP releases of Tarkus and Trilogy by ELP. > The audio chain was Sondek+ Cirkus+ Lingo/SME V/Transfiguration Esprit > via Electrocompaniet Phono-stage direct to Nak CR7E. Media was BASF > Ref Maxima. The results were incredible, better than I ever remember. > > It was great hearing those guys after all these years. He doesn;t > have a copy of "Brain Salad Surgery" so I'm still looking !! > > Tim, I'll look out for Triumvirate. Thanks. > > Cheers, > > Marc > > > > ========-------------------------------------------------------------- > ----========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========-------------------------------------------------------------- > ----========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sat Jan 25 22:44:27 2003 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 13:44:27 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Yes / ELP: Salim and Tim References: <003d01c2c4ac$967a1f40$8a299bca@smarzuki> <3E33024D.8070907@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <3E33053B.601FDFC7@earthlink.net> Salim, I would have to say that if you are listening to those LPs in a different room than the one you were in the first time you heard the music, the room acoustics are responsible for the largest difference in what you hear now. Room acoustics are a much larger variable than any system component. Guys tend to forget that. Jim Volpatti > Salim wrote: > "Which one do you think made the biggest change compared to first time > we hear those LPs, stylus or speakers ?" From timbarrett at cox.net Sat Jan 25 23:01:03 2003 From: timbarrett at cox.net (timbarrett at cox.net) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 17:01:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Yes / ELP / philosophy In-Reply-To: <3E33024D.8070907@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <3E32C2CF.30801.25A4F7@localhost> To my ears, the difference between cartridges was far more subtle than the difference between speakers. I always considered speakers to be the 'wild card' of the whole bunch, and to be the single most limiting (or liberating?) element of the chain. For that reason, I would tend to work from the back forward, choosing speakers, then adequate drive for them, then the input sources. However, I've never been in a position to indulge my hifi fantasies, and usually make do with whatever I manage to rescue and repair from other's circular files. Now that I think back, the only pieces I've ever bought new were a pair of Dynaco A-50's, and more recently (10 years ago) a Adcom Preamp. Such is life. As for ELP, I've got their old stuff including Brain Salad Surgery and an OMR of Pictures at an Exhibition, and I've played the life out of them all. Speaking of OMR - does anyone have an OMR of Moody Blues 'Days of Future Passed'? I've got one, plus the off-the-shelf copy. Have you noticed that they are very different mixes? Tim On 25 Jan 2003 at 21:31, John Walker wrote: > Salim wrote: > "Which one do you think made the biggest change compared to first time > we hear those LPs, stylus or speakers ?" > > What a good question! Those of you who know me, know that I am a fan > of esoteric transducers both front and back. (I have an unclad Lyra > cartridge, and Martin-Logan electrostatic speakers.) Using the GIGO > analogy (garbage-in, garbage-out), I reckon that the cartridge is the > first to go for - a good moving coil seems to produce much more detail > than any moving magnet. Once you have achieved this half step to > Nirvana, you are then ready to try higher resolution speakers. The > other approach, brilliant speakers with a less good cartridge would > just remind you how urgent that cartridge update was! > > One of you guys bought a pair of Martin-Logans recently. I can't > remember who (Kannan?). How are you getting on with them? > > John Walker, currently buying old Pink Floyd and Yes albums on eBay. > (But not ready to go back to ELP, not yet!) > > ========-------------------------------------------------------------- > ----========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========-------------------------------------------------------------- > ----========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Sat Jan 25 23:52:06 2003 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 14:52:06 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: nakamichi mc tranformer In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030125195143.00aadc90@box.tin.it> Message-ID: I found this on ebay and have never seen it before: Nakamichi Dragon Moving Coil Step Up Tranformer http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3283&item=3002556061& rd=1 Bid is at 142 US right now. Anybody have experience with this piece and know what its performance makes it comparable to? IE, is it up there with a Cotter or Audio Note (Kondo) tranformer? Thanks, Carl -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ezio Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 10:52 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: APP History Distribution May I be re-inserted into the group ? Thanks Ezio At 10:46 AM 1/25/03 -0800, you wrote: Dear NakTalkers...... Please excuse my indulgence, I'm just trying to gather the few fellows interested in the APP History cassette distribution. Graham, Kannan, Kent, Marc, Ron, other NakTalkers interested in the Alan Parsons Project (APP) oral history cassette tape distribution, email me directly with your email and surface mailing addresses. Essential information that I will require to pull logistics together for the project. To avoid clogging up NakTalk discussions, email me direct at . Kindly use the subject title "Re: APP History Distribution". Thanks for your cooperation. Update on the cassette preparation will be sent to you directly (off-line from NakTalk, I'll create a specific email distrib list) as soon as we can gather all comers to the cassette distribution. I'm doing the master cassette preparation this afternoon. Get in-touch with me then, let's have the show fully on the road! Best regards, keep on Nakkin'..... K.J. Bleus Madison, Wisc USA Lat 43004'N, Long 89024'W ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Help keep the blues alive! Spread the word!!! http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html Psssst.... If you want to look-up your geographic location in latitude and longitude coordinates, have a try at using the World Atlas interface: http://www.worldatlas.com/aatlas/imageg.htm ____________________________________________________________ Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! 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Jim Volpatti kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > I don' know how you thought I have a Martin Logan pair- > But I can tell you my experience with a pair in a Hi Fi shop here in San Jose. > unfortunately I listened to a pair at Magnonalia Hi Fi ( I may not be getting that name right ???) when I saw an advertisement for a pair of Sonus faber. It was so bad I came back disappointed. I am sure these guys do not know how to demonstrate their wares. > I am sure Jim is doing good business here in Bay area. > I cannot believe that a store or even Martin Logan reperesentative would sell their product this way? > Coming to ELP - they are one of my favourite bands - I have heard their "Brain Salad surgery" LP in my college days in one of my seniors ( during 1975) room. He had ordinary Gerard turn table / with 8 Watts tube amp and home built speakers. It was great and I still remember the "Dark side of the moon" LP as well as Carole King's "Tapestry". The experience was wonderful - when you do not bother what turntable or speakers but listen to music! > Ofcurse you are right - good catridge and turntable would bring out the best unless the speakers are very bad. > Kannan > John at jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk wrote > Salim wrote: > "Which one do you think made the biggest change compared to first time > we hear those LPs, stylus or speakers ?" > > What a good question! Those of you who know me, know that I am a fan of > esoteric transducers both front and back. (I have an unclad Lyra > cartridge, and Martin-Logan electrostatic speakers.) Using the GIGO > analogy (garbage-in, garbage-out), I reckon that the cartridge is the > first to go for - a good moving coil seems to produce much more detail > than any moving magnet. Once you have achieved this half step to > Nirvana, you are then ready to try higher resolution speakers. The > other approach, brilliant speakers with a less good cartridge would just > remind you how urgent that cartridge update was! > > One of you guys bought a pair of Martin-Logans recently. I can't > remember who (Kannan?). How are you getting on with them? > > John Walker, currently buying old Pink Floyd and Yes albums on eBay. > (But not ready to go back to ELP, not yet!) > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From rjkent at attbi.com Sun Jan 26 06:07:51 2003 From: rjkent at attbi.com (Robert Kent) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 21:07:51 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Analog to Digital Message-ID: My sincere thanks to those who have contributed to this string....Ron, Roland, Ezio, Vladimir, John Walker (hope I didn't miss anyone). Lots of new ideas to consider. I decided to order a TerraTec DMX6fire 24/96 and give it a try. It includes a ton of software, all of the EWX 24/96 features plus a built in phono preamp and quite a few more connection options. It also includes an external pod with all of the I/O jacks and only takes up one space on the back of the computer. I ordered it from JDSound: http://www.jdsound.com/store/product1.asp?SID=2&Product_ID=457 Thanks again, Robert Kent From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Sun Jan 26 06:56:25 2003 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 06:56:25 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Analog to Digital In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030126065410.00a6a270@box.tin.it> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From John at jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk Sun Jan 26 09:07:12 2003 From: John at jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 08:07:12 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Analog to Digital References: Message-ID: <3E339730.3080801@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Robert Glad to have helped. I hope that you get a lot of pleasure out of your purchase. John Walker Robert Kent wrote: >My sincere thanks to those who have contributed to this string....Ron, Roland, Ezio, Vladimir, John >Walker (hope I didn't miss anyone). Lots of new ideas to consider. I decided to order a TerraTec >DMX6fire 24/96 and give it a try. It includes a ton of software, all of the EWX 24/96 features plus >a built in phono preamp and quite a few more connection options. It also includes an external pod >with all of the I/O jacks and only takes up one space on the back of the computer. I ordered it >from JDSound: http://www.jdsound.com/store/product1.asp?SID=2&Product_ID=457 > >Thanks again, > >Robert Kent > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Jan 26 09:23:00 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 15:23:00 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: system variable References: <003d01c2c4ac$967a1f40$8a299bca@smarzuki> <3E33024D.8070907@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <002701c2c514$3b2cba40$35299bca@smarzuki> Hi John, I got the SL3 pair recently and was amazed at the vocals and details reproduced by them. However, when it comes to slam bam dynamic drum rock music I find my vandersteen more "like it" as if the vandy got more punch ... while the SL3 make music sound somewhat 'flat'. Probably due to the nature of dynamic speaker ? They're in the same room so roughly room variable should be out of equation. Jim, although I agree that room / placement has a big influence ... I'm quite sure that both the Vandy 2c vs JBL L100 and the audio technica fine line vs shure m55 have bigger impact than room boundaries. I would put the marantz receiver vs nak pre/power as having less sonic differences. Oh, no ... looks like we're already round the circle to get to dbt related topics ... =) Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: John Walker To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 4:31 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Yes / ELP: Salim and Tim Salim wrote: "Which one do you think made the biggest change compared to first time we hear those LPs, stylus or speakers ?" What a good question! Those of you who know me, know that I am a fan of esoteric transducers both front and back. (I have an unclad Lyra cartridge, and Martin-Logan electrostatic speakers.) Using the GIGO analogy (garbage-in, garbage-out), I reckon that the cartridge is the first to go for - a good moving coil seems to produce much more detail than any moving magnet. Once you have achieved this half step to Nirvana, you are then ready to try higher resolution speakers. The other approach, brilliant speakers with a less good cartridge would just remind you how urgent that cartridge update was! One of you guys bought a pair of Martin-Logans recently. I can't remember who (Kannan?). How are you getting on with them? John Walker, currently buying old Pink Floyd and Yes albums on eBay. (But not ready to go back to ELP, not yet!) From exposo at hotmail.com Sun Jan 26 12:56:31 2003 From: exposo at hotmail.com (Exposo Madass) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 06:56:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ftp site where???????????? Message-ID: Hi everyone It's me Javier Was hoping someone could refresh my memory. What was url to the manual ftp site again as well as the user name and passwd I thought it was ftp.naks.com but it's not. Thanks See Ya Javier _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Sun Jan 26 13:25:43 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 23:25:43 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] ftp site where???????????? Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201E91@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Javier. It's ..... http://support.naks.com/support username: naktalk password: dragon Enjoy! Regards Tom Siomopoulos -----Original Message----- From: Exposo Madass [mailto:exposo at hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, 26 January 2003 10:57 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] ftp site where???????????? Hi everyone It's me Javier Was hoping someone could refresh my memory. What was url to the manual ftp site again as well as the user name and passwd I thought it was ftp.naks.com but it's not. Thanks See Ya Javier _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From exposo at hotmail.com Sun Jan 26 14:11:57 2003 From: exposo at hotmail.com (Exposo Madass) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 08:11:57 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ftp site where???????????? Message-ID: Thak you extremely very much Tom Javier >From: Thomas Siomopoulos >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: "'naktalk at naks.com'" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] ftp site where???????????? >Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 23:25:43 +1100 > >Hi Javier. It's ..... > >http://support.naks.com/support > >username: naktalk >password: dragon > >Enjoy! > >Regards Tom Siomopoulos > >-----Original Message----- >From: Exposo Madass [mailto:exposo at hotmail.com] >Sent: Sunday, 26 January 2003 10:57 >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] ftp site where???????????? > > >Hi everyone >It's me Javier >Was hoping someone could refresh my memory. >What was url to the manual ftp site again >as well as the user name and passwd >I thought it was ftp.naks.com but it's not. >Thanks >See Ya >Javier > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online >http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From exposo at hotmail.com Sun Jan 26 14:24:55 2003 From: exposo at hotmail.com (Exposo Madass) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 08:24:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 700 and 700 s2 service manual Message-ID: Wow Bummer! I can't find a service manual for either of my 700 tri tracers. Would anybody happen to have something on-line. My s2 has a blown channel on the recording end. plays back fine but will only record one channel. I'm pretty sure the plugins are ok. I think it happened to me a few years ago on this very deck and I fixed it by replacing a jfet on one of the boards but if it has happened again and it's the same jfet I'll have to replace more than that downstream! Anyways, at this point even a schematic would help. Thanks again See Ya Javier PS: Also BTW: since the original 700 has an ex/sx selector but no 70/120 selector, is sx assumed to be at 70 and ex at 120? _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From naktalk at email.si Sun Jan 26 20:03:17 2003 From: naktalk at email.si (Dusan) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 20:03:17 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7E is here - WOW References: Message-ID: <001a01c2c56d$c01b0aa0$8405fad5@dusan> I have just received my CR-7E. It has very low s/n and it is without gear and record eq modifications. At the beginning I have tried playing back some commercial tapes - but I was a little bit disappointed... They all just suck. Then I have recorded a tape from my Anthem-CD1 player, using TDK-SA-X cassette. I have compared both playbacks from CD and cassette from my new CR-7, using Sennheiser HD-600 headphones with DIY tube phones amplifier. Yes, there was an audible difference - I liked the sound from CR-7 better! I can't explain this : How can a record sound better than the original does? Sound is softer and more pleasant to my ears and here comes a big WOW!!! I'm really satisfied with my new CR-7. Should I make the Eq modification or not? If I match resistors/capacitors and use equal values for both channels, would after that really be necessary to make a re-adjustment (by a competent person, of course) as described service information? Ciao Dusan From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Jan 26 23:48:55 2003 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 15:48:55 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 700 and 700 s2 service manual References: Message-ID: <029101c2c58d$1bc4ad10$1d3442cf@steve> I'll try to scan & upload at least the 700-II schematics tonight to the Naks ftp server. You know, I can't remember ever seeing any problem in a 700/700II's audio circuitry at all, beyond the usual weak edge connector contacts. Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer Talking Dog Transducer Company http://stephensank.com 5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] (temporarily using home address, due to imminent shop move) 505-332-0336 Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer Payments preferred through Paypal.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Exposo Madass" To: Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 6:24 AM Subject: [naktalk] 700 and 700 s2 service manual > Wow > Bummer! I can't find a service manual for either of my 700 > tri tracers. Would anybody happen to have something on-line. > My s2 has a blown channel on the recording end. plays back fine but will > only record one channel. I'm pretty sure the plugins are ok. I think it > happened to me a few years ago on this very deck and I fixed it by replacing > a jfet on one of the boards but if it has happened again and it's the same > jfet I'll have to replace more than that downstream! Anyways, at this point > even a schematic would help. > Thanks again > See Ya > Javier > > PS: Also BTW: since the original 700 has an ex/sx selector but no 70/120 > selector, is sx assumed to be at 70 and ex at 120? > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Jan 26 23:52:57 2003 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 15:52:57 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7E is here - WOW References: <001a01c2c56d$c01b0aa0$8405fad5@dusan> Message-ID: <029d01c2c58d$ac14f370$1d3442cf@steve> I don't consider the gear upgrade a necessity, since getting to the idler for cleaning is quite easy, but I definitely consider it mandatory to do the eq correction procedure. Generally, if the deck can still auto-calibrate any tape you try after the procedure, you're at least really darn close to quite accurate auto-cal. It is not always necessary to recal the auto-cal afterwards. Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer Talking Dog Transducer Company http://stephensank.com 5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] (temporarily using home address, due to imminent shop move) 505-332-0336 Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer Payments preferred through Paypal.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dusan" To: Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 12:03 PM Subject: [naktalk] CR-7E is here - WOW > I have just received my CR-7E. It has very low s/n and it is without gear > and record eq modifications. > At the beginning I have tried playing back some commercial tapes - but I was > a little bit disappointed... They all just suck. > > Then I have recorded a tape from my Anthem-CD1 player, using TDK-SA-X > cassette. I have compared both playbacks from CD and cassette from my new > CR-7, using Sennheiser HD-600 headphones with DIY tube phones amplifier. > Yes, there was an audible difference - I liked the sound from CR-7 better! I > can't explain this : How can a record sound better than the original does? > Sound is softer and more pleasant to my ears and here comes a big WOW!!! > > I'm really satisfied with my new CR-7. Should I make the Eq modification or > not? > > If I match resistors/capacitors and use equal values for both channels, > would after that really be necessary to make a re-adjustment (by a competent > person, of course) as described service information? > > Ciao > > Dusan > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > From exposo at hotmail.com Mon Jan 27 04:09:59 2003 From: exposo at hotmail.com (Exposo Madass) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 22:09:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 700 and 700 s2 service manual Message-ID: Thanks a million Steve. I appreciate it. The last time this happened to me the problem was on what I think was the record amp board. Using "third world" diagnostic techniques. I bridged L R points along the board until I got to the Jfet. Funny thing with this one was that it was impossible for any signal to get past the blown jfet, not even a faint gargle! Boy was I happy with myself when I got it working! After looking throyugh a 50 pound pile of junk pcbs I was able to find 1 and only 1 matching jfet off an old monitor board. I'm still hoping it won't be the same jfet. BTW: Steve How hard do you think it would be to prototype a pair of dolby c boards for these buggers? >From: "Stephen Sank" >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: >Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700 and 700 s2 service manual >Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 15:48:55 -0700 > >I'll try to scan & upload at least the 700-II schematics tonight to the >Naks >ftp server. You know, I can't remember ever seeing any problem in a >700/700II's audio circuitry at all, beyond the usual weak edge connector >contacts. > >Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer >Talking Dog Transducer Company >http://stephensank.com >5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] (temporarily using home address, due to >imminent shop move) >505-332-0336 >Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer >Payments preferred through Paypal.com >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Exposo Madass" >To: >Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 6:24 AM >Subject: [naktalk] 700 and 700 s2 service manual > > > > Wow > > Bummer! I can't find a service manual for either of my 700 > > tri tracers. Would anybody happen to have something on-line. > > My s2 has a blown channel on the recording end. plays back fine but will > > only record one channel. I'm pretty sure the plugins are ok. I think it > > happened to me a few years ago on this very deck and I fixed it by >replacing > > a jfet on one of the boards but if it has happened again and it's the >same > > jfet I'll have to replace more than that downstream! Anyways, at this >point > > even a schematic would help. > > Thanks again > > See Ya > > Javier > > > > PS: Also BTW: since the original 700 has an ex/sx selector but no 70/120 > > selector, is sx assumed to be at 70 and ex at 120? > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From mglen at melbpc.org.au Sun Jan 26 21:57:54 2003 From: mglen at melbpc.org.au (Mr Glen Anthony) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 07:57:54 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Calibration Alignment Tape Message-ID: <000201c2c609$e11fd400$259c0ccb@GS1ec5ur1it7y> Hello Everyone I am new to the group , my name is Glen and my location is Melbourne Australia , I have been in Electronics Engineering for employment for the past 18 years. back in 1984 I had to sell my Nakamichi 600 deck due to priorities with much reluctance and regret. I now own a Nakamichi 600 series II deck , I just love that angled Wedge front panel , what style , rack handles standard , great ergonomics , OK I maybe nostalgic but I'm not the only one http://www.hi-fiworld.co.uk/hfw/oldeworldehtml/nakamichi600.html OK it may not be a performer like all those that followed onwards but it did set the standard for change , aswell estabish Nakamichi as a name not to be taken lightly and only a serious quality manufacturer. Now to my Subject at hand -:Calibration Alignment Tape I am very interested in sourcing a good quality "Calibration Alignment Tape" to setup the Azimuth Correctly; 1/ I notice on Ebay recently this auction seller "electronix" had their own business website for a calibration tape http://www.electronix.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/7360 going for a special price of US$14.99 from US$19.95 stating that their tape is equal to or better than OEM tapes.....other than the general blurb no specific of how the tape is made. 2/ I see at an EMTEC{Basf} representative has Calibration Tapes http://home.flash.net/~mrltapes/cassvend.htm starting at US$60.00...and are made in "real time speed" not in a high speed duplicator.. 3/ a couple of weeks ago or more , on Ebay I saw Nakamichi Calibration Tapes of various sorts going for high prices up around the US$50.00.... is there another source for Nakamichi Calibration Alignment Tapes if so where , New or Otherwise??????????? [ " I would really appreciate What is NakTalk opinion on these or other sources not mention ???"] I look forward to everyones responses and adding to other subject matter, thankyou. Glen. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Jan 27 15:14:18 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 09:14:18 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Calibration Alignment Tape References: <000201c2c609$e11fd400$259c0ccb@GS1ec5ur1it7y> Message-ID: <3E353EBA.F698B8FA@rcn.com> > Mr Glen Anthony wrote: > > Hello Everyone > > I am new to the group , my name is Glen and my location is > Melbourne Australia , > I have been in Electronics Engineering for employment for the past > 18 years. > back in 1984 I had to sell my Nakamichi 600 deck due to priorities > with much reluctance and regret. > > I now own a Nakamichi 600 series II deck , I just love that angled > Wedge front panel , what style , rack handles standard , great > ergonomics , OK I maybe nostalgic but I'm not the only one > http://www.hi-fiworld.co.uk/hfw/oldeworldehtml/nakamichi600.html > OK it may not be a performer like all those that followed onwards > but it did set the standard for change, as well estabish Nakamichi > as a name not to be taken lightly and only a serious quality > manufacturer. > > Now to my Subject at hand -:Calibration Alignment Tape > I am very interested in sourcing a good quality "Calibration > Alignment Tape" to setup the Azimuth Correctly; > 1/ I notice on Ebay recently this auction seller "electronix" had > their own business website for a calibration tape > http://www.electronix.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/7360 going > for a special price of US$14.99 from US$19.95 > stating that their tape is equal to or better than OEM > tapes.....other than the general blurb no specific of how the tape > is made. > 2/ I see at an EMTEC{Basf} representative has Calibration Tapes > http://home.flash.net/~mrltapes/cassvend.htm starting at > US$60.00...and are made in "real time speed" not in a high speed > duplicator.. > 3/ a couple of weeks ago or more , on Ebay I saw Nakamichi > Calibration Tapes of various sorts going for high prices up around > the US$50.00.... is there another source for Nakamichi Calibration > Alignment Tapes if so where , New or Otherwise??????????? > [ " I would really appreciate What is NakTalk opinion on these or > other sources not mention ???"] > > I look forward to everyones responses and adding to other subject > matter, thankyou. > Glen. Glen, As soon as I got my CR-7 back from calibration by a professional that did have original Nakamichi tapes on hand, I made my own calibration tape, using computer generated tones. I recorded a series of short tones (for PB frequency response validation), followed by longer stretches of 3KHz (for speed adjustment) and 15KHz (for PB azimuth adjustment). This cost next to nothing and is probably as close to an ideal service tape (for my specific deck) as any commercial cassette. So, you may wish to consider having your deck adjusted and calibrated by a professional that is familiar with Nak decks and has all the service gauges and tapes. (It's a good idea to do this every few years, anyway.) Then, immediately, make your own calibration tae. --- Ron From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Jan 27 15:25:15 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 16:25:15 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] What's responsible for the improvement? Salim....(OT) Message-ID: Hi Salim, and all Quoting you; "Which one do you think made the biggest change compared to first time we hear those LPs, stylus or speakers ?" As some of the others have said, this is indeed an interesting question. If I were to look at the system to which referred specifically, the piece of the audio change that was responsible for a quantum improvement over a MM turntable system from yesteryear it would be the move up to a top grade MC. Firstly, the quality of the LP has improved to an extent. They are less subject to the extremes of mass production. The Mobile Fidelity and Simply Vinyl 200g pressings are (amongst others) extremely good but, and this is a big but, you have to have the gear to extract the magic from the grooves. The cantilever on these new generation estoteric MCs is hard to see it is so fine. I refer to cartridges like the Esprit mentioned already, the Van den Hul Grasshopper and the Linn Troika. The recording of the ELP was cut in 1973 or so. The Esprit extracted from it detail that has to be heard to be believed. He put both records through his Nitty Gritty Record Cleaner as a standard precursor to playing them. That way, he applied the minimum wear factor to both LP and cartridge. His observation is that provided a record is properly cleaned, (even if it is worn) and then played using a good quality, well aligned, light weight arm/unworn stylus, the wear on the record is negligible. These "theories" that suggested 5-10 hi-fi playings was all you could hope to get out of a record must have applied to those horrible old heavyweight "radiogram" outfits that lathed their way through your music collections. I think it's the cartridge because before (18 months ago) he had the same cartridge with an SME IV arm (not the V) on a Linn Basik. It was nearly as impressive. What it lacked was the bass weight and "dark silence" of the full dress Sondek. The phon stage was also the same. The cabling has remained the same. He has no power conditioner. Jim is correct when he says that listening environments are important. We often forget that. We may have been listening in our bedrooms in those days. Speakers can have a major impact on the experience, but in this case, they have remained the same (three way sealed units from Infinity). I forget the model number. In the old days we listened to those ELP records on an old valve Philip's radiogram (the vinyl and acetate slicing and ripping machine referred to earlier) and that had a single full range speaker. So the question "is it the speakers or the sylus" is valid). But listening to the same record on a Technics SL1200 turntable with a Shure M75 / NAD 3020/ Mordaunt Short MS20i was no where near the same experience. I accept that the replay chain was of a lower pedigree. But somehow, one can hear where the game is being lost. FIRST good speakers, THEN ample power to drive them(as stated iin one post) and THEN looking at the front end is perhaps applicable today in the digital age when the variations in perceivable quality from the front end are more subtle than in the analogue world. I have found (because very few mag reviewers seem able to just say it) the step up from MM to MC is, in general, much more than just more money. It is a very big leap in quality. Detail is of a completely different and superior order. I'm not saying that there are no nice crisp 'n clean MMs, and that there aren't a couple of dullard MCs out there. (I haven't heard any though). But there seems a reliable rule of thumb here that might make rediscovering your record collection more rewarding than you had thought!! Cheers, Marc The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Jan 27 16:12:21 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 10:12:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] What's responsible for the improvement? Salim....(OT) References: Message-ID: <3E354C55.B3D6EE4C@rcn.com> Mark Hugo wrote: > > Hi Salim, and all > > Quoting you; > > "Which one do you think made the biggest change compared to > first time we hear those LPs, stylus or speakers ?" > > As some of the others have said, this is indeed an interesting > question. If I were to look at the system to which referred > specifically, the piece of the audio change that was responsible > for a quantum improvement over a MM turntable system from > yesteryear it would be the move up to a top grade MC. > > Firstly, the quality of the LP has improved to an extent. They > are less subject to the extremes of mass production. The Mobile > Fidelity and Simply Vinyl 200g pressings are (amongst others) > extremely good but, and this is a big but, you have to have the > gear to extract the magic from the grooves. The cantilever on > these new generation estoteric MCs is hard to see it is so fine. > I refer to cartridges like the Esprit mentioned already, the Van > den Hul Grasshopper and the Linn Troika. > > The recording of the ELP was cut in 1973 or so. The Esprit > extracted from it detail that has to be heard to be believed. > He put both records through his Nitty Gritty Record Cleaner > as a standard precursor to playing them. That way, he applied > the minimum wear factor to both LP and cartridge. His > observation is that provided a record is properly cleaned, > (even if it is worn) and then played using a good quality, > well aligned, light weight arm/unworn stylus, the wear on > the record is negligible. These "theories" that suggested > 5-10 hi-fi playings was all you could hope to get out of a > record must have applied to those horrible old heavyweight > "radiogram" outfits that lathed their way through your music > collections. > > I think it's the cartridge because before (18 months ago) he > had the same cartridge with an SME IV arm (not the V) on a > Linn Basik. It was nearly as impressive. What it lacked was > the bass weight and "dark silence" of the full dress Sondek. > The phon stage was also the same. The cabling has remained > the same. He has no power conditioner. > > Jim is correct when he says that listening environments are > important. We often forget that. We may have been listening > in our bedrooms in those days. > > Speakers can have a major impact on the experience, but in this > case, they have remained the same (three way sealed units from > Infinity). I forget the model number. In the old days we > listened to those ELP records on an old valve Philip's radiogram > (the vinyl and acetate slicing and ripping machine referred to > earlier) and that had a single full range speaker. So the question > "is it the speakers or the sylus" is valid). But listening to the > same record on a Technics SL1200 turntable with a Shure M75 / NAD > 3020/ Mordaunt Short MS20i was no where near the same experience. > I accept that the replay chain was of a lower pedigree. But somehow, > one can hear where the game is being lost. > > FIRST good speakers, THEN ample power to drive them(as stated iin > one post) and THEN looking at the front end is perhaps applicable > today in the digital age when the variations in perceivable quality > from the front end are more subtle than in the analogue world. So far, I couldn't agree more. This exactly matches my own experiences. However... > I have found (because very few mag reviewers seem able to just > say it) the step up from MM to MC is, in general, much more > than just more money. It is a very big leap in quality. > Detail is of a completely different and superior order. I'm > not saying that there are no nice crisp 'n clean MMs, and > that there aren't a couple of dullard MCs out there. (I > haven't heard any though). But there seems a reliable rule > of thumb here that might make rediscovering your record > collection more rewarding than you had thought!! ... is not true, IME. I have always been a fan of Shure V-15 cartridges. Many years ago, a dealer talked me into replacing my V-15 III with an Ortofon MC cartridge. The MC sound was, to me, restricted and lifeless. The MC pickup did not deliver the airy highs and great detail, as advertised. Due to the low output, noise level was higher. Not to mention that it cost more than twice the V-15. Luckily, I still retained my old cartridge. Three months later I reinstalled it and the dealer agreed to take the Ortofon back. Later on, I replaced the cartridge with a V-15VMR, for an audible improvement. Bottom line: To me a MM cartridge is preferable to a MC one. -- Ron > Cheers, > > Marc From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Jan 27 16:20:10 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 22:20:10 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Calibration Alignment Tape References: <000201c2c609$e11fd400$259c0ccb@GS1ec5ur1it7y> <3E353EBA.F698B8FA@rcn.com> Message-ID: <001101c2c617$95502440$18299bca@smarzuki> Hi Glen, Be careful when spending $$$ to get generic test tapes. Nak's genuine head height test tape is unique in that you are calibrating for minimum output since the signal is recorded outside the head contact area - and imho more precise + command the higher price. Nak's azimuth test tape is a more 'regular' one and should be interchangeable with generic - or even homemade test tape. However, for 3 head naks it's important to get the head height correct in the first place before proceeding to azimuth. I agree with Ron that provided you don't do a lot of head changing aligning etc, it'd be better to get the deck professionally aligned and make homemade test tapes out of it. Moreover Nak's head height (aka track alignment) tape is getting as rare as the spare parts itself. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 9:14 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Calibration Alignment Tape > Mr Glen Anthony wrote: > > Hello Everyone > > I am new to the group , my name is Glen and my location is > Melbourne Australia , > I have been in Electronics Engineering for employment for the past > 18 years. > back in 1984 I had to sell my Nakamichi 600 deck due to priorities > with much reluctance and regret. > > I now own a Nakamichi 600 series II deck , I just love that angled > Wedge front panel , what style , rack handles standard , great > ergonomics , OK I maybe nostalgic but I'm not the only one > http://www.hi-fiworld.co.uk/hfw/oldeworldehtml/nakamichi600.html > OK it may not be a performer like all those that followed onwards > but it did set the standard for change, as well estabish Nakamichi > as a name not to be taken lightly and only a serious quality > manufacturer. > > Now to my Subject at hand -:Calibration Alignment Tape > I am very interested in sourcing a good quality "Calibration > Alignment Tape" to setup the Azimuth Correctly; > 1/ I notice on Ebay recently this auction seller "electronix" had > their own business website for a calibration tape > http://www.electronix.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/7360 going > for a special price of US$14.99 from US$19.95 > stating that their tape is equal to or better than OEM > tapes.....other than the general blurb no specific of how the tape > is made. > 2/ I see at an EMTEC{Basf} representative has Calibration Tapes > http://home.flash.net/~mrltapes/cassvend.htm starting at > US$60.00...and are made in "real time speed" not in a high speed > duplicator.. > 3/ a couple of weeks ago or more , on Ebay I saw Nakamichi > Calibration Tapes of various sorts going for high prices up around > the US$50.00.... is there another source for Nakamichi Calibration > Alignment Tapes if so where , New or Otherwise??????????? > [ " I would really appreciate What is NakTalk opinion on these or > other sources not mention ???"] > > I look forward to everyones responses and adding to other subject > matter, thankyou. > Glen. Glen, As soon as I got my CR-7 back from calibration by a professional that did have original Nakamichi tapes on hand, I made my own calibration tape, using computer generated tones. I recorded a series of short tones (for PB frequency response validation), followed by longer stretches of 3KHz (for speed adjustment) and 15KHz (for PB azimuth adjustment). This cost next to nothing and is probably as close to an ideal service tape (for my specific deck) as any commercial cassette. So, you may wish to consider having your deck adjusted and calibrated by a professional that is familiar with Nak decks and has all the service gauges and tapes. (It's a good idea to do this every few years, anyway.) Then, immediately, make your own calibration tae. --- Ron From m.raven at chello.nl Mon Jan 27 16:25:11 2003 From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 16:25:11 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Calibration Alignment Tape References: <000201c2c609$e11fd400$259c0ccb@GS1ec5ur1it7y> Message-ID: <000d01c2c618$48445df0$9e3cbbd4@raveneql1a1eu0> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mr Glen Anthony" To: Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 9:57 PM Subject: [naktalk] Calibration Alignment Tape Now to my Subject at hand -:Calibration Alignment Tape I am very interested in sourcing a good quality "Calibration Alignment Tape" to setup the Azimuth Correctly; 1/ I notice on Ebay recently this auction seller "electronix" had their own business website for a calibration tape http://www.electronix.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/7360 going for a special price of US$14.99 from US$19.95 stating that their tape is equal to or better than OEM tapes.....other than the general blurb no specific of how the tape is made. I'll need the following Nakamichi tapes. OA09001A 20 kHz playback OA09002A 15 kHz playback OA09003A 10 kHz playback OA09004A 15 kHz azimuth alignment OA09005A 400 Hz, 0dB, Dolby level OA09006A 3 kHz wow & speed check OA09007A track alignment (head height test) OA09008A reference normal (blank tape, no oxide, for R/P calkibration) OA09009A reference CrO2 OA09010A reference EX (Hi-Ferro) OA09011A tape travelling check (mirror cassette) OA09013A take-up torque gauge OD09001A tape guide aduster DA09021A reference EXII DA09025A reference SX DA 03144A mirror cassette http://home.flash.net/~mrltapes/cassvend.htm starting at US$60.00...and are made in "real time speed" not in a high speed duplicator.. You need specially made Nakamichi tapes to align to the original Nakamichi factory specifications. on Ebay I saw Nakamichi Calibration Tapes of various sorts going for high prices up around the US$50.00.... is there another source for Nakamichi Calibration Alignment Tapes if so where , New or Otherwise??? I don't know of this are the original tapes or copies. But I know only experienced technicans can do a a good job on this pricey machines. Use your ears too, they are most of the times accurate enough to hear any differences between a recording sound and the original.On 3 head machines: simply switch to source/tape during recording. If you can't notice any difference in sound/noise/distortion you have a good Nak. Maurits From colem at georgetown.edu Mon Jan 27 16:33:55 2003 From: colem at georgetown.edu (Michael Cole) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 10:33:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 transport problem solved - Thanks Stephen Message-ID: <3E355162.B9D61F6@georgetown.edu> Stephen, I very much appreciate your help with the diagnosis. It was just as you said. I had a contact burnisher - I restore antique jukeboxes and they contain lots of the same type of switch and cam set-ups used in the MR-1. The transport is working properly now although it's a little noisy when it cycles between pause, play and stop. I have another MR-1 and that's silent, perhaps some judicious lubrication is in order. Thanks again, Mike From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Jan 27 17:22:04 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 23:22:04 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] What's responsible for the improvement? Salim....(OT) References: <3E354C55.B3D6EE4C@rcn.com> Message-ID: <002201c2c620$3bb891c0$18299bca@smarzuki> Interesting ! Given my budget I was about to ask whether nak audience prefer an elliptical MC versus a fineline MM of the same make - yet series III is elliptical. Looks like this stylus business is another matter of art more than science. Reading Van den Hul's page made me think that he is a believer of stylus shape first and then type (MC) in that order ? Best regards, Salim SM or maybe the case that 'art' is science that hasn't been fully mastered yet .... ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 10:12 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] What's responsible for the improvement? Salim....(OT) Mark Hugo wrote: > > > FIRST good speakers, THEN ample power to drive them(as stated iin > one post) and THEN looking at the front end is perhaps applicable > today in the digital age when the variations in perceivable quality > from the front end are more subtle than in the analogue world. So far, I couldn't agree more. This exactly matches my own experiences. However... > I have found (because very few mag reviewers seem able to just > say it) the step up from MM to MC is, in general, much more > than just more money. It is a very big leap in quality. > Detail is of a completely different and superior order. I'm > not saying that there are no nice crisp 'n clean MMs, and > that there aren't a couple of dullard MCs out there. (I > haven't heard any though). But there seems a reliable rule > of thumb here that might make rediscovering your record > collection more rewarding than you had thought!! ... is not true, IME. I have always been a fan of Shure V-15 cartridges. Many years ago, a dealer talked me into replacing my V-15 III with an Ortofon MC cartridge. The MC sound was, to me, restricted and lifeless. The MC pickup did not deliver the airy highs and great detail, as advertised. Due to the low output, noise level was higher. Not to mention that it cost more than twice the V-15. Luckily, I still retained my old cartridge. Three months later I reinstalled it and the dealer agreed to take the Ortofon back. Later on, I replaced the cartridge with a V-15VMR, for an audible improvement. Bottom line: To me a MM cartridge is preferable to a MC one. -- Ron > Cheers, > > Marc From kannan_s at vsnl.com Mon Jan 27 19:06:38 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 23:36:38 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Calibration Alignment Tape Message-ID: <20030127180638.E63A3114993@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From Modernizy at netscape.net Mon Jan 27 19:14:25 2003 From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 13:14:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 700 and 700 s2 service manual Message-ID: <222AFA24.5776B675.026D48C1@netscape.net> THERE IS the amplifier circuit diagram of Nak 700TT on Naks.com support page. The address is support/manuals/service/english/TT700_AmplifierSchematic.tif Hope it helps. Regards, Nicholas. __________________________________________________________________ The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ From pasec at relex.ru Mon Jan 27 19:35:25 2003 From: pasec at relex.ru (Pavel V. Pasechnik) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 21:35:25 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] 700 and 700 s2 service manual References: <222AFA24.5776B675.026D48C1@netscape.net> Message-ID: <006001c2c632$dba67960$e405a8c0@relex.ru> Hi All! I hope keep my (last year's :-)) promise and upload full 700TT service manual in full PDF file... In the near future ;-) It's practically finished... But some pictures of circuit board not finished yet. Damned buggy scanner... Best regards, Pavel. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick" To: Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 9:14 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700 and 700 s2 service manual > THERE IS the amplifier circuit diagram of Nak 700TT on Naks.com support page. The address is support/manuals/service/english/TT700_AmplifierSchematic.tif > > Hope it helps. > > Regards, > > Nicholas. > > __________________________________________________________________ > The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp > > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= > From smoke at snip.net Mon Jan 27 21:01:13 2003 From: smoke at snip.net (John M. Smokevitch) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 15:01:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] What's responsible for the improvement? Salim....(OT) References: <3E354C55.B3D6EE4C@rcn.com> <002201c2c620$3bb891c0$18299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3E359008.4D5CF019@snip.net> Van den hul's moving magnet is a very fine cartridge and a fine tracker. In moving coils, try the Benz Glider in a high or medium output version. If you have a decent phono section on your preamp or receiver, you will NOT need a separate MC step-up device. Also I believe Benz has (or had) a trade-in policy that let you get into their family of moving coils relatively inexpensively. If interested, try it. You probably won't be disappointed. The Glider is a demon tracker and has great MC sound and dynamics. Jim Volpati might want to offer his thoughts here, especially with respect to whether the trade-in offer is still in effect. Best regards. John Salim Marzuki wrote: > Interesting ! Given my budget I was about to ask whether nak audience > prefer an elliptical MC versus a fineline MM of the same make - yet series > III is elliptical. Looks like this stylus business is another matter of art > more than science. Reading Van den Hul's page made me think that he is a > believer of stylus shape first and then type (MC) in that order ? > > Best regards, > Salim SM > or maybe the case that 'art' is science that hasn't been fully mastered yet > .... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ron > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 10:12 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] What's responsible for the improvement? Salim....(OT) > > Mark Hugo wrote: > > > > > > FIRST good speakers, THEN ample power to drive them(as stated iin > > one post) and THEN looking at the front end is perhaps applicable > > today in the digital age when the variations in perceivable quality > > from the front end are more subtle than in the analogue world. > > So far, I couldn't agree more. This exactly matches my own > experiences. However... > > > I have found (because very few mag reviewers seem able to just > > say it) the step up from MM to MC is, in general, much more > > than just more money. It is a very big leap in quality. > > Detail is of a completely different and superior order. I'm > > not saying that there are no nice crisp 'n clean MMs, and > > that there aren't a couple of dullard MCs out there. (I > > haven't heard any though). But there seems a reliable rule > > of thumb here that might make rediscovering your record > > collection more rewarding than you had thought!! > > ... is not true, IME. I have always been a fan of Shure V-15 > cartridges. Many years ago, a dealer talked me into replacing > my V-15 III with an Ortofon MC cartridge. The MC sound was, > to me, restricted and lifeless. The MC pickup did not deliver > the airy highs and great detail, as advertised. Due to the low > output, noise level was higher. Not to mention that it cost > more than twice the V-15. Luckily, I still retained my old > cartridge. Three months later I reinstalled it and the dealer > agreed to take the Ortofon back. Later on, I replaced the > cartridge with a V-15VMR, for an audible improvement. Bottom > line: To me a MM cartridge is preferable to a MC one. > > -- Ron > > > Cheers, > > > > Marc > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Jan 27 21:40:31 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 20:40:31 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] What's responsible for the improvement? Salim....(OT) In-Reply-To: <3E354C55.B3D6EE4C@rcn.com> Message-ID: <001001c2c644$55a44560$7ae5193e@oemcomputer> Len Gregory (The Cartridge Man) in the UK hand makes MM cartridges at a very high price. He claims MM cartridges, if they are properly made (and he maintains most are not!) will always sound better than a MC because the signal path is shorter ... Apart from his own cartridges, the cheapest decent MM cartridge that he would recommend was a Shure VST V. (That was before the event of the V15VMR, which I think takes the same stylus as the VST V.) He also maintains that his top of the range MM (can't recall how much it is - £600???) beats any MC at the same price and even twice the price ... He would, wouldn't he! But it's worth talking to the guy - he's not a salesman, he just passionately believes in what he's doing ... BTW, last time I spoke to him he told me he sells more of his cartridges to the US market than anywhere else. US audiophiles, he told me appreciate the benefits of MMs whereas the UK market has been duped into believing in the myth of MCs ... Don't shoot me for saying that! I'm only telling you what he told me!!! Gra' Graham > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Ron > Sent: 27 January 2003 15:12 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] What's responsible for the improvement? > Salim....(OT) > > > > Mark Hugo wrote: > > > > Hi Salim, and all > > > > Quoting you; > > > > "Which one do you think made the biggest change compared to > > first time we hear those LPs, stylus or speakers ?" > > > > As some of the others have said, this is indeed an interesting > > question. If I were to look at the system to which referred > > specifically, the piece of the audio change that was responsible > > for a quantum improvement over a MM turntable system from > > yesteryear it would be the move up to a top grade MC. > > > > Firstly, the quality of the LP has improved to an extent. They > > are less subject to the extremes of mass production. The Mobile > > Fidelity and Simply Vinyl 200g pressings are (amongst others) > > extremely good but, and this is a big but, you have to have the > > gear to extract the magic from the grooves. The cantilever on > > these new generation estoteric MCs is hard to see it is so fine. > > I refer to cartridges like the Esprit mentioned already, the Van > > den Hul Grasshopper and the Linn Troika. > > > > The recording of the ELP was cut in 1973 or so. The Esprit > > extracted from it detail that has to be heard to be believed. > > He put both records through his Nitty Gritty Record Cleaner > > as a standard precursor to playing them. That way, he applied > > the minimum wear factor to both LP and cartridge. His > > observation is that provided a record is properly cleaned, > > (even if it is worn) and then played using a good quality, > > well aligned, light weight arm/unworn stylus, the wear on > > the record is negligible. These "theories" that suggested > > 5-10 hi-fi playings was all you could hope to get out of a > > record must have applied to those horrible old heavyweight > > "radiogram" outfits that lathed their way through your music > > collections. > > > > I think it's the cartridge because before (18 months ago) he > > had the same cartridge with an SME IV arm (not the V) on a > > Linn Basik. It was nearly as impressive. What it lacked was > > the bass weight and "dark silence" of the full dress Sondek. > > The phon stage was also the same. The cabling has remained > > the same. He has no power conditioner. > > > > Jim is correct when he says that listening environments are > > important. We often forget that. We may have been listening > > in our bedrooms in those days. > > > > Speakers can have a major impact on the experience, but in this > > case, they have remained the same (three way sealed units from > > Infinity). I forget the model number. In the old days we > > listened to those ELP records on an old valve Philip's radiogram > > (the vinyl and acetate slicing and ripping machine referred to > > earlier) and that had a single full range speaker. So the question > > "is it the speakers or the sylus" is valid). But listening to the > > same record on a Technics SL1200 turntable with a Shure M75 / NAD > > 3020/ Mordaunt Short MS20i was no where near the same experience. > > I accept that the replay chain was of a lower pedigree. But somehow, > > one can hear where the game is being lost. > > > > FIRST good speakers, THEN ample power to drive them(as stated iin > > one post) and THEN looking at the front end is perhaps applicable > > today in the digital age when the variations in perceivable quality > > from the front end are more subtle than in the analogue world. > > So far, I couldn't agree more. This exactly matches my own > experiences. However... > > > I have found (because very few mag reviewers seem able to just > > say it) the step up from MM to MC is, in general, much more > > than just more money. It is a very big leap in quality. > > Detail is of a completely different and superior order. I'm > > not saying that there are no nice crisp 'n clean MMs, and > > that there aren't a couple of dullard MCs out there. (I > > haven't heard any though). But there seems a reliable rule > > of thumb here that might make rediscovering your record > > collection more rewarding than you had thought!! > > ... is not true, IME. I have always been a fan of Shure V-15 > cartridges. Many years ago, a dealer talked me into replacing > my V-15 III with an Ortofon MC cartridge. The MC sound was, > to me, restricted and lifeless. The MC pickup did not deliver > the airy highs and great detail, as advertised. Due to the low > output, noise level was higher. Not to mention that it cost > more than twice the V-15. Luckily, I still retained my old > cartridge. Three months later I reinstalled it and the dealer > agreed to take the Ortofon back. Later on, I replaced the > cartridge with a V-15VMR, for an audible improvement. Bottom > line: To me a MM cartridge is preferable to a MC one. > > -- Ron > > > > Cheers, > > > > Marc > > = > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/03 From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Jan 27 21:55:05 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 15:55:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] What's responsible for the improvement? Salim....(OT) References: <3E354C55.B3D6EE4C@rcn.com> <002201c2c620$3bb891c0$18299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3E359CA9.48698953@rcn.com> I am not sure what the real difference between 'elliptical' and 'fine line' styli is. I suspect that it's more Marketing that Engineering. If you look at an 'elliptical' stylus through a microscope, you'll see that it's not really elliptical, but spherical with 4 corners ground flat. If you look at a fine line stylus, you'll see that it's still spherical with 4 corners ground flat, but maybe a somewhat deeper grind. They do approximate an ellipse, but look nothing like the artist renditions shown in ads. -- Ron Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Interesting ! Given my budget I was about to ask whether nak audience > prefer an elliptical MC versus a fineline MM of the same make - yet series > III is elliptical. Looks like this stylus business is another matter of art > more than science. Reading Van den Hul's page made me think that he is a > believer of stylus shape first and then type (MC) in that order ? > > Best regards, > Salim SM > or maybe the case that 'art' is science that hasn't been fully mastered yet > .... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ron > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 10:12 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] What's responsible for the improvement? Salim....(OT) > > Mark Hugo wrote: > > > > > > FIRST good speakers, THEN ample power to drive them(as stated iin > > one post) and THEN looking at the front end is perhaps applicable > > today in the digital age when the variations in perceivable quality > > from the front end are more subtle than in the analogue world. > > So far, I couldn't agree more. This exactly matches my own > experiences. However... > > > I have found (because very few mag reviewers seem able to just > > say it) the step up from MM to MC is, in general, much more > > than just more money. It is a very big leap in quality. > > Detail is of a completely different and superior order. I'm > > not saying that there are no nice crisp 'n clean MMs, and > > that there aren't a couple of dullard MCs out there. (I > > haven't heard any though). But there seems a reliable rule > > of thumb here that might make rediscovering your record > > collection more rewarding than you had thought!! > > ... is not true, IME. I have always been a fan of Shure V-15 > cartridges. Many years ago, a dealer talked me into replacing > my V-15 III with an Ortofon MC cartridge. The MC sound was, > to me, restricted and lifeless. The MC pickup did not deliver > the airy highs and great detail, as advertised. Due to the low > output, noise level was higher. Not to mention that it cost > more than twice the V-15. Luckily, I still retained my old > cartridge. Three months later I reinstalled it and the dealer > agreed to take the Ortofon back. Later on, I replaced the > cartridge with a V-15VMR, for an audible improvement. Bottom > line: To me a MM cartridge is preferable to a MC one. > > -- Ron > > > Cheers, > > > > Marc > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Mon Jan 27 22:05:57 2003 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 22:05:57 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] What's responsible for the improvement? Salim....(OT) In-Reply-To: <001001c2c644$55a44560$7ae5193e@oemcomputer> References: <3E354C55.B3D6EE4C@rcn.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030127220122.00ab48b0@box.tin.it> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Jan 27 22:25:02 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 16:25:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] What's responsible for the improvement? Salim....(OT) References: <001001c2c644$55a44560$7ae5193e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3E35A3AE.55E870A5@rcn.com> In theory, MC cartridges should have an edge, because the moving mass can be made much smaller than MM (3 turns of thinner than human hair wire VS. a piece of metal). I suspect that in practice, the difference in mass is not as significant as many other characteristics: compliance, total cartridge mass, freedom from resonances, etc., etc.. The specific Ortofon I mentioned before sounded good enough, but the sound had a sense of strain, as if one was listening from a distance or through a curtain. Shure cartridges sound very 'open', as if one is listening from 3rd row center in a concert. Sound of Stanton cartridges, though not as good (this is for top of the line for both, at the time), also had this open quality. I heard a Benz cartridge, just once (have no idea what model it was), and was seriously unimpressed... -- Ron Graham Nelson wrote: > > Len Gregory (The Cartridge Man) in the UK hand makes MM cartridges at a very > high price. He claims MM cartridges, if they are properly made (and he > maintains most are not!) will always sound better than a MC because the > signal path is shorter ... Apart from his own cartridges, the cheapest > decent MM cartridge that he would recommend was a Shure VST V. (That was > before the event of the V15VMR, which I think takes the same stylus as the > VST V.) He also maintains that his top of the range MM (can't recall how > much it is - £600???) beats any MC at the same price and even twice the > price ... He would, wouldn't he! But it's worth talking to the guy - he's > not a salesman, he just passionately believes in what he's doing ... > > BTW, last time I spoke to him he told me he sells more of his cartridges to > the US market than anywhere else. US audiophiles, he told me appreciate the > benefits of MMs whereas the UK market has been duped into believing in the > myth of MCs ... Don't shoot me for saying that! I'm only telling you what > he told me!!! > > Gra' > > Graham > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Ron > > Sent: 27 January 2003 15:12 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] What's responsible for the improvement? > > Salim....(OT) > > > > > > > > Mark Hugo wrote: > > > > > > Hi Salim, and all > > > > > > Quoting you; > > > > > > "Which one do you think made the biggest change compared to > > > first time we hear those LPs, stylus or speakers ?" > > > > > > As some of the others have said, this is indeed an interesting > > > question. If I were to look at the system to which referred > > > specifically, the piece of the audio change that was responsible > > > for a quantum improvement over a MM turntable system from > > > yesteryear it would be the move up to a top grade MC. > > > > > > Firstly, the quality of the LP has improved to an extent. They > > > are less subject to the extremes of mass production. The Mobile > > > Fidelity and Simply Vinyl 200g pressings are (amongst others) > > > extremely good but, and this is a big but, you have to have the > > > gear to extract the magic from the grooves. The cantilever on > > > these new generation estoteric MCs is hard to see it is so fine. > > > I refer to cartridges like the Esprit mentioned already, the Van > > > den Hul Grasshopper and the Linn Troika. > > > > > > The recording of the ELP was cut in 1973 or so. The Esprit > > > extracted from it detail that has to be heard to be believed. > > > He put both records through his Nitty Gritty Record Cleaner > > > as a standard precursor to playing them. That way, he applied > > > the minimum wear factor to both LP and cartridge. His > > > observation is that provided a record is properly cleaned, > > > (even if it is worn) and then played using a good quality, > > > well aligned, light weight arm/unworn stylus, the wear on > > > the record is negligible. These "theories" that suggested > > > 5-10 hi-fi playings was all you could hope to get out of a > > > record must have applied to those horrible old heavyweight > > > "radiogram" outfits that lathed their way through your music > > > collections. > > > > > > I think it's the cartridge because before (18 months ago) he > > > had the same cartridge with an SME IV arm (not the V) on a > > > Linn Basik. It was nearly as impressive. What it lacked was > > > the bass weight and "dark silence" of the full dress Sondek. > > > The phon stage was also the same. The cabling has remained > > > the same. He has no power conditioner. > > > > > > Jim is correct when he says that listening environments are > > > important. We often forget that. We may have been listening > > > in our bedrooms in those days. > > > > > > Speakers can have a major impact on the experience, but in this > > > case, they have remained the same (three way sealed units from > > > Infinity). I forget the model number. In the old days we > > > listened to those ELP records on an old valve Philip's radiogram > > > (the vinyl and acetate slicing and ripping machine referred to > > > earlier) and that had a single full range speaker. So the question > > > "is it the speakers or the sylus" is valid). But listening to the > > > same record on a Technics SL1200 turntable with a Shure M75 / NAD > > > 3020/ Mordaunt Short MS20i was no where near the same experience. > > > I accept that the replay chain was of a lower pedigree. But somehow, > > > one can hear where the game is being lost. > > > > > > FIRST good speakers, THEN ample power to drive them(as stated iin > > > one post) and THEN looking at the front end is perhaps applicable > > > today in the digital age when the variations in perceivable quality > > > from the front end are more subtle than in the analogue world. > > > > So far, I couldn't agree more. This exactly matches my own > > experiences. However... > > > > > I have found (because very few mag reviewers seem able to just > > > say it) the step up from MM to MC is, in general, much more > > > than just more money. It is a very big leap in quality. > > > Detail is of a completely different and superior order. I'm > > > not saying that there are no nice crisp 'n clean MMs, and > > > that there aren't a couple of dullard MCs out there. (I > > > haven't heard any though). But there seems a reliable rule > > > of thumb here that might make rediscovering your record > > > collection more rewarding than you had thought!! > > > > ... is not true, IME. I have always been a fan of Shure V-15 > > cartridges. Many years ago, a dealer talked me into replacing > > my V-15 III with an Ortofon MC cartridge. The MC sound was, > > to me, restricted and lifeless. The MC pickup did not deliver > > the airy highs and great detail, as advertised. Due to the low > > output, noise level was higher. Not to mention that it cost > > more than twice the V-15. Luckily, I still retained my old > > cartridge. Three months later I reinstalled it and the dealer > > agreed to take the Ortofon back. Later on, I replaced the > > cartridge with a V-15VMR, for an audible improvement. Bottom > > line: To me a MM cartridge is preferable to a MC one. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Marc > > > > = > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/03 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Jan 27 22:56:48 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 08:56:48 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Calibration Alignment Tape Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201E94@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Glen, it's good to hear from someone else that lives in Melbourne. Been a nak fan/owner since 1985/1988. As you may have heard from the rest of the group the nak alignment tapes are different to standard alignment tapes. I would definitely take Rons advice in that you get your machine aligned by a proper Nak professional, and when you receive you unit, create your own calibration tape. This is exactly what I did when I received my RX505 from the great Stephen Sank (who I'm sure you will hear of in this discussion group), I then created my own alignment tape and calibrated my other decks (480, ZX9, BX300). Stay well Glen. Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Mr Glen Anthony [mailto:mglen at melbpc.org.au] Sent: Monday, 27 January 2003 7:58 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Calibration Alignment Tape Hello Everyone I am new to the group , my name is Glen and my location is Melbourne Australia , I have been in Electronics Engineering for employment for the past 18 years. back in 1984 I had to sell my Nakamichi 600 deck due to priorities with much reluctance and regret. I now own a Nakamichi 600 series II deck , I just love that angled Wedge front panel , what style , rack handles standard , great ergonomics , OK I maybe nostalgic but I'm not the only one http://www.hi-fiworld.co.uk/hfw/oldeworldehtml/nakamichi600.html OK it may not be a performer like all those that followed onwards but it did set the standard for change , aswell estabish Nakamichi as a name not to be taken lightly and only a serious quality manufacturer. Now to my Subject at hand -:Calibration Alignment Tape I am very interested in sourcing a good quality "Calibration Alignment Tape" to setup the Azimuth Correctly; 1/ I notice on Ebay recently this auction seller "electronix" had their own business website for a calibration tape http://www.electronix.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/7360 going for a special price of US$14.99 from US$19.95 stating that their tape is equal to or better than OEM tapes.....other than the general blurb no specific of how the tape is made. 2/ I see at an EMTEC{Basf} representative has Calibration Tapes http://home.flash.net/~mrltapes/cassvend.htm starting at US$60.00...and are made in "real time speed" not in a high speed duplicator.. 3/ a couple of weeks ago or more , on Ebay I saw Nakamichi Calibration Tapes of various sorts going for high prices up around the US$50.00.... is there another source for Nakamichi Calibration Alignment Tapes if so where , New or Otherwise??????????? [ " I would really appreciate What is NakTalk opinion on these or other sources not mention ???"] I look forward to everyones responses and adding to other subject matter, thankyou. Glen. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From n.van.wijnen at home.nl Tue Jan 28 00:18:10 2003 From: n.van.wijnen at home.nl (norman van wijnen) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 00:18:10 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalkers (In a global sense) References: <3B4F37B0.50CA3FDA.026D48C1@netscape.net> <3E2DCFA8.B4664152@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <004401c2c65a$5bd9c570$0400a7c0@CC132114B> Hi, for the database: Norman van Wijnen Netherlands Nakamichi ZX7 - N482 -PA5 - CA5 and NR200 and last but not least soundspace 3 so we can wake up with (a little poor) nak sound great brand Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 11:54 Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: NakTalkers (In a global sense) > I've been surprised to learn that you guys are younger than I expected. Not that it matters, but I expected most of > you to be in your 50s and possibly 60s. Seems that most of us are in our 30s and 40s. Interesting. > > I had one more idea for the data base. I'd love to have a face to go with the names of all you NakTalkers. Is there > any interest in uploading a photo of each NakTalker, taken with his beloved Nakamichi equipment? I realize this could > create a bandwidth issue for KJ and the database but I thought I would throw the idea out to you and see what you > think. > > Jim Volpatti > Nakless in San Francisco > > > > Nick wrote: > > > Hello, Mr.Blues and other Naktalkers, > > > > Please forgive me for being one of the last in the queue for Naktalk database... > > > > Nicholas Gornostayev, 32, Moscow, The Russian Federation. > > > > My Nak collection is not large but tasty: 700TriTracer, CR-7, ZX-9, NR-200, & T-100 + a small gadget called DM-10. > > > > With the very best wishes to all Naktalkers all over the world, > > > > Nicholas. > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > > The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp > > > > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Tue Jan 28 02:36:06 2003 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 17:36:06 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] What's responsible for the improvement? Salim....(OT) References: <001001c2c644$55a44560$7ae5193e@oemcomputer> <3E35A3AE.55E870A5@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3E35DE86.C7BF1629@earthlink.net> Were these cartridges auditioned in the same system? A system that was familiar to you? Were the cartridges and tone arms set up correctly? Even dealers are guilty of poor set up at times. One has to be careful to take all of these factors into consideration before judging cartridge performance. Jim Volpatti Ron wrote: > In theory, MC cartridges should have an edge, because the > moving mass can be made much smaller than MM (3 turns of > thinner than human hair wire VS. a piece of metal). I > suspect that in practice, the difference in mass is not > as significant as many other characteristics: compliance, > total cartridge mass, freedom from resonances, etc., etc.. > > The specific Ortofon I mentioned before sounded good > enough, but the sound had a sense of strain, as if one was > listening from a distance or through a curtain. Shure > cartridges sound very 'open', as if one is listening from > 3rd row center in a concert. Sound of Stanton cartridges, > though not as good (this is for top of the line for both, > at the time), also had this open quality. I heard a Benz > cartridge, just once (have no idea what model it was), and > was seriously unimpressed... > > -- Ron From timbarrett at cox.net Tue Jan 28 05:04:30 2003 From: timbarrett at cox.net (timbarrett at cox.net) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 23:04:30 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] What's responsible for the improvement? Salim....(OT) In-Reply-To: <3E35DE86.C7BF1629@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3E35BAFE.7336.13ACF8F@localhost> Speaking of pickup arms, is anyone out there familiar with the Magnapan Unitrak 1? And, would you have any idea where to find a mounting template or what the proper mounting radii is? I've got all the hardware but no template. Tim On 27 Jan 2003 at 17:36, Jim Volpatti wrote: > Were these cartridges auditioned in the same system? A system that was > familiar to you? Were the cartridges and tone arms set up correctly? > Even dealers are guilty of poor set up at times. One has to be careful > to take all of these factors into consideration before judging > cartridge performance. > > Jim Volpatti > > > > Ron wrote: > > > In theory, MC cartridges should have an edge, because the > > moving mass can be made much smaller than MM (3 turns of > > thinner than human hair wire VS. a piece of metal). I > > suspect that in practice, the difference in mass is not > > as significant as many other characteristics: compliance, > > total cartridge mass, freedom from resonances, etc., etc.. > > > > The specific Ortofon I mentioned before sounded good > > enough, but the sound had a sense of strain, as if one was > > listening from a distance or through a curtain. Shure > > cartridges sound very 'open', as if one is listening from > > 3rd row center in a concert. Sound of Stanton cartridges, > > though not as good (this is for top of the line for both, > > at the time), also had this open quality. I heard a Benz > > cartridge, just once (have no idea what model it was), and > > was seriously unimpressed... > > > > -- Ron > > ========-------------------------------------------------------------- > ----========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========-------------------------------------------------------------- > ----========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Tue Jan 28 05:41:56 2003 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 20:41:56 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] What's responsible for the improvement? Salim....(OT) References: <3E35BAFE.7336.13ACF8F@localhost> Message-ID: <3E360A14.A92AB8E8@earthlink.net> Hi Tim, Have you contacted Magnepan directly? If not, here's their contact information. http://www.magnepan.com/1-800-474-1646/contact.html I know the tonearm was manufactured in the late 70s/early 80s but someone there should be able to help. If all else fails, speak to Jim Winey himself. As president of the company, he should have a vested interest in helping his customers. Good luck! Jim Volpatti timbarrett at cox.net wrote: > Speaking of pickup arms, is anyone out there familiar with the > Magnapan Unitrak 1? And, would you have any idea where to find a > mounting template or what the proper mounting radii is? I've got all the > hardware but no template. > > Tim From jamesbakner at yahoo.com Tue Jan 28 06:38:54 2003 From: jamesbakner at yahoo.com (James bakner) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 21:38:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RE: recorded on the DR 3 today. In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201E90@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <20030128053854.34354.qmail@web40310.mail.yahoo.com> The keyboardist of the local rock/jazz band "Ringsend" brought me an advanced copy of their new CD due out next week 'Sunday Brunch at the Gentleman's club'. I figured I'd record it so that I could listen to it in the car and in the kitchen..... I used a Maxell XL II, Bias was at the 12:00 position, Maximum Record Level was +3 to +5, Dolby was OFF. The Recording was very close to the origional. Track 2 on the CD was a thirty second track of piano chords with the drummer tapping on the cymbols and thumping on the bass drum. The cassette recording had slightly less "air" or "tsssss" between taps of the cymbols and there was slightly less "umph" to the bass drum. The piano chords were all there and unwavering... I used the "counter search" button and replayed the passage about fifteen times to marvel at the good sound, and cued up the CD player after each two or three plays just to compare the tape to the origional.... Then, I played the tape on my NAD 613 and Yamaha KXR470. The tape sounded good and very listenable on those machines, slightly less detail and slightly less bass, than on the Nak, but the treble was all there. both the NAD and the Yamaha have a "Play Trim" knob and I felt no need to tweak it away from the 12:00 position the way I do with many commercial pre recorded tapes, or some of my own tapes recorded twenty years ago. I had read about tape compatibility concerns between Nak decks and other decks, but in this case, I would consider __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Andy.M.Dundis at ue-corp.com Tue Jan 28 14:26:48 2003 From: Andy.M.Dundis at ue-corp.com (Dundis, Andy) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 07:26:48 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tapes Message-ID: hello nak'rs, what's the latest on the Marathon Tape(s)& subsequent transfer to CDs? availability?? jus' curious. andy Please visit Utility Engineering, Grand Sponsor of ELECTRIC POWER 2003 at booth 1125 on March 4-6 in Houston, Texas. Details at http://www.electricpowerexpo.com ----------------------------------------------------------- DISCLAIMER: This e-mail and files transmitted with it are the property of Utility Engineering Corporation and/or its affiliates, are confidential, and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom this e-mail is addressed. If you are not one of the named recipients or otherwise have reason to believe that you have received this message in error, please notify the sender and delete this message immediately from your computer. Any other use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Jan 28 16:10:55 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 10:10:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] What's responsible for the improvement? Salim....(OT) References: <001001c2c644$55a44560$7ae5193e@oemcomputer> <3E35A3AE.55E870A5@rcn.com> <3E35DE86.C7BF1629@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3E369D7F.3D6DB3BB@rcn.com> The cartridges were auditioned in the exact same system. The system was very familiar to me and I listened to the same LPs, that I was also familiar with. 'Auditioned' is really the wrong word... I *lived* with both cartridges for a while (several months for the Ortofon, several years -- before and after the Ortofon -- to the Shure). Both cartridges were installed in a Dual 701. I owned the TT several years and put cartridges in it several times. I have installed many cartridges in my life (easily, hundreds) and can't believe I made a mistake exactly with that Ortofon. I believe there was nothing wrong with either the cartridge or the installation. The dealer that sold it to me was also a friend (well, kinda). He came over to listen to the cartridge after I told him how unhappy I was and thought it sounded great and 'musical'... Nonetheless, he agreed to take it back (after several months of use) for full credit. (FWIW, he also agreed that top of the line Shure cartridges sounded excellent for a fraction of the cost of the competition). I have to stress again that I do not claim the Ortofon sounded bad, or that MC cartridges are necessarily inferior. All I am saying is, the sound quality of a cartridge depends on many characteristics and MC vs. MM is just one factor of many. Specific design and implementation are more important, as is listener taste. -- Ron Jim Volpatti wrote: > > Were these cartridges auditioned in the same system? A system that was familiar to you? > Were the cartridges and tone arms set up correctly? Even dealers are guilty of poor set up > at times. One has to be careful to take all of these factors into consideration before > judging cartridge performance. > > Jim Volpatti > > Ron wrote: > > > In theory, MC cartridges should have an edge, because the > > moving mass can be made much smaller than MM (3 turns of > > thinner than human hair wire VS. a piece of metal). I > > suspect that in practice, the difference in mass is not > > as significant as many other characteristics: compliance, > > total cartridge mass, freedom from resonances, etc., etc.. > > > > The specific Ortofon I mentioned before sounded good > > enough, but the sound had a sense of strain, as if one was > > listening from a distance or through a curtain. Shure > > cartridges sound very 'open', as if one is listening from > > 3rd row center in a concert. Sound of Stanton cartridges, > > though not as good (this is for top of the line for both, > > at the time), also had this open quality. I heard a Benz > > cartridge, just once (have no idea what model it was), and > > was seriously unimpressed... > > > > -- Ron > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Tue Jan 28 16:47:39 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 17:47:39 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] What's responsible for the improvement? Salim....(OT) Message-ID: Thanks Ron form the comments on the Shure V15VMR which I have heard nothing but good things about - but have not personally heard it. I have heard it is also the finest or trackers. As you point out it also is a very fair price. Does it have with that most decent of MM virtues - the replaceable stylus? Cheers, Marc >>> ra.ah at rcn.com 01/28/03 05:10PM >>> The cartridges were auditioned in the exact same system. The system was very familiar to me and I listened to the same LPs, that I was also familiar with. 'Auditioned' is really the wrong word... I *lived* with both cartridges for a while (several months for the Ortofon, several years -- before and after the Ortofon -- to the Shure). Both cartridges were installed in a Dual 701. I owned the TT several years and put cartridges in it several times. I have installed many cartridges in my life (easily, hundreds) and can't believe I made a mistake exactly with that Ortofon. I believe there was nothing wrong with either the cartridge or the installation. The dealer that sold it to me was also a friend (well, kinda). He came over to listen to the cartridge after I told him how unhappy I was and thought it sounded great and 'musical'... Nonetheless, he agreed to take it back (after several months of use) for full credit. (FWIW, he also agreed that top of the line Shure cartridges sounded excellent for a fraction of the cost of the competition). I have to stress again that I do not claim the Ortofon sounded bad, or that MC cartridges are necessarily inferior. All I am saying is, the sound quality of a cartridge depends on many characteristics and MC vs. MM is just one factor of many. Specific design and implementation are more important, as is listener taste. -- Ron Jim Volpatti wrote: > > Were these cartridges auditioned in the same system? A system that was familiar to you? > Were the cartridges and tone arms set up correctly? Even dealers are guilty of poor set up > at times. One has to be careful to take all of these factors into consideration before > judging cartridge performance. > > Jim Volpatti > > Ron wrote: > > > In theory, MC cartridges should have an edge, because the > > moving mass can be made much smaller than MM (3 turns of > > thinner than human hair wire VS. a piece of metal). I > > suspect that in practice, the difference in mass is not > > as significant as many other characteristics: compliance, > > total cartridge mass, freedom from resonances, etc., etc.. > > > > The specific Ortofon I mentioned before sounded good > > enough, but the sound had a sense of strain, as if one was > > listening from a distance or through a curtain. Shure > > cartridges sound very 'open', as if one is listening from > > 3rd row center in a concert. Sound of Stanton cartridges, > > though not as good (this is for top of the line for both, > > at the time), also had this open quality. I heard a Benz > > cartridge, just once (have no idea what model it was), and > > was seriously unimpressed... > > > > -- Ron > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Jan 28 17:53:23 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 11:53:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] What's responsible for the improvement?Salim....(OT) References: Message-ID: <3E36B583.21AC309D@rcn.com> Mark Hugo wrote: > > Thanks Ron form the comments on the Shure V15VMR which I have heard nothing but good things about - but have not personally heard it. I have heard it is also the finest or trackers. As you point out it also is a very fair price. Does it have with that most decent of MM virtues - the replaceable stylus? Sure. All you have to do is pull the stylus assembly off. I do this occasionally, just for cleaning. -- Ron > > Cheers, > > Marc > > >>> ra.ah at rcn.com 01/28/03 05:10PM >>> > > The cartridges were auditioned in the exact same system. The > system was very familiar to me and I listened to the same LPs, > that I was also familiar with. 'Auditioned' is really the > wrong word... I *lived* with both cartridges for a while > (several months for the Ortofon, several years -- before and > after the Ortofon -- to the Shure). > > Both cartridges were installed in a Dual 701. I owned the TT > several years and put cartridges in it several times. I have > installed many cartridges in my life (easily, hundreds) and > can't believe I made a mistake exactly with that Ortofon. > > I believe there was nothing wrong with either the cartridge > or the installation. The dealer that sold it to me was also > a friend (well, kinda). He came over to listen to the > cartridge after I told him how unhappy I was and thought it > sounded great and 'musical'... Nonetheless, he agreed to take > it back (after several months of use) for full credit. (FWIW, > he also agreed that top of the line Shure cartridges sounded > excellent for a fraction of the cost of the competition). > > I have to stress again that I do not claim the Ortofon > sounded bad, or that MC cartridges are necessarily inferior. > All I am saying is, the sound quality of a cartridge depends > on many characteristics and MC vs. MM is just one factor of > many. Specific design and implementation are more important, > as is listener taste. > > -- Ron > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > Were these cartridges auditioned in the same system? A system that was familiar to you? > > Were the cartridges and tone arms set up correctly? Even dealers are guilty of poor set up > > at times. One has to be careful to take all of these factors into consideration before > > judging cartridge performance. > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > In theory, MC cartridges should have an edge, because the > > > moving mass can be made much smaller than MM (3 turns of > > > thinner than human hair wire VS. a piece of metal). I > > > suspect that in practice, the difference in mass is not > > > as significant as many other characteristics: compliance, > > > total cartridge mass, freedom from resonances, etc., etc.. > > > > > > The specific Ortofon I mentioned before sounded good > > > enough, but the sound had a sense of strain, as if one was > > > listening from a distance or through a curtain. Shure > > > cartridges sound very 'open', as if one is listening from > > > 3rd row center in a concert. Sound of Stanton cartridges, > > > though not as good (this is for top of the line for both, > > > at the time), also had this open quality. I heard a Benz > > > cartridge, just once (have no idea what model it was), and > > > was seriously unimpressed... > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject > to legal privilege. 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Salim....(OT) References: <001001c2c644$55a44560$7ae5193e@oemcomputer> <3E35A3AE.55E870A5@rcn.com> <3E35DE86.C7BF1629@earthlink.net> <3E369D7F.3D6DB3BB@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3E36BE22.75D951F2@earthlink.net> Thanks for the details, Ron. I should have known you, of all people, would be systematic in your comparisons. It seemed from your initial email that your experience with the Shure and Ortofon was much lengthier than with the Benz. It was primarily your reference to the Benz that left me wondering if perhaps you auditioned it in an unfamiliar system, under unfamiliar conditions. I completely agree with you regarding the choice of technology versus the implementation of that technology. If I had a dollar for overtime a customer asked which is better, analog or digital, soft dome tweeters or metal, solid state or tubes, dynamic or panel speakers, etc, etc, etc, I could retire! Making a purchase decision would be much easier if such generalizations could be made but design and implementation vary, affecting the overall performance of each product. Jim Volpatti Ron wrote: > The cartridges were auditioned in the exact same system. The > system was very familiar to me and I listened to the same LPs, > that I was also familiar with. 'Auditioned' is really the > wrong word... I *lived* with both cartridges for a while > (several months for the Ortofon, several years -- before and > after the Ortofon -- to the Shure). > > Both cartridges were installed in a Dual 701. I owned the TT > several years and put cartridges in it several times. I have > installed many cartridges in my life (easily, hundreds) and > can't believe I made a mistake exactly with that Ortofon. > > I believe there was nothing wrong with either the cartridge > or the installation. The dealer that sold it to me was also > a friend (well, kinda). He came over to listen to the > cartridge after I told him how unhappy I was and thought it > sounded great and 'musical'... Nonetheless, he agreed to take > it back (after several months of use) for full credit. (FWIW, > he also agreed that top of the line Shure cartridges sounded > excellent for a fraction of the cost of the competition). > > I have to stress again that I do not claim the Ortofon > sounded bad, or that MC cartridges are necessarily inferior. > All I am saying is, the sound quality of a cartridge depends > on many characteristics and MC vs. MM is just one factor of > many. Specific design and implementation are more important, > as is listener taste. > > -- Ron From mglen at melbpc.org.au Tue Jan 28 19:07:59 2003 From: mglen at melbpc.org.au (Glen Anthony) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 05:07:59 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Calibration Alignment Tape Message-ID: <006001c2c6f8$33490e10$1c9c0ccb@GS1ec5ur1it7y> Thanks to everyones input (Ron,Salim,Maurits,Kannan,Thomas) very much appreciated. I have a service manual for the N600II coming soon. until then I now further realize what is necessary , I have to now look for a local specialist shipping a N600II is not cheap at a bare weight of 15Ibs/6.8Kg so would anyone happen to know of Nak specialist here in Melbourne Australia ???? It does'nt hurt to ask , if I don't the hip pocket will. I look forward to everyones responses , thankyou. Glen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From John at jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk Tue Jan 28 19:47:24 2003 From: John at jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 18:47:24 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] What's responsible for the improvement? Salim....(OT) References: <001001c2c644$55a44560$7ae5193e@oemcomputer> <3E35A3AE.55E870A5@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3E36D03C.7040904@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> I tried an Ortofon MC10 or 15 (can't remember which) in the '80s, and was not impressed. I also had a couple of Audio Technica AT-F5/OC5's back when I had a Linn turntable. None of these were particularly outstanding, indeed the OC5 had a very hard, toppy sound that I did not like at all. But the more expensive Lyra that I now have was a complete step change in quality. My wife Sarah listened for two minutes, then said "just buy it, it's streets better". (It was also several hundred pounds more, and she had every reason to try and keep the expenditure down!) I am now on my third one. I got this one from the aforementioned Mr Len Gregory, the cartridge man, with one of his new tips on it. Len will re-tip a Lydian for £250 compared to the list price of £600, and performance seems the same. Now I just happen to have here two Lyra bodies which could be re-tipped by Len. Would anyone like to make an offer for one? John Walker Ron wrote: >In theory, MC cartridges should have an edge, because the >moving mass can be made much smaller than MM (3 turns of >thinner than human hair wire VS. a piece of metal). I >suspect that in practice, the difference in mass is not >as significant as many other characteristics: compliance, >total cartridge mass, freedom from resonances, etc., etc.. > >The specific Ortofon I mentioned before sounded good >enough, but the sound had a sense of strain, as if one was >listening from a distance or through a curtain. Shure >cartridges sound very 'open', as if one is listening from >3rd row center in a concert. Sound of Stanton cartridges, >though not as good (this is for top of the line for both, >at the time), also had this open quality. I heard a Benz >cartridge, just once (have no idea what model it was), and >was seriously unimpressed... > >-- Ron > > >Graham Nelson wrote: > > >>Len Gregory (The Cartridge Man) in the UK hand makes MM cartridges at a very >>high price. He claims MM cartridges, if they are properly made (and he >>maintains most are not!) will always sound better than a MC because the >>signal path is shorter ... Apart from his own cartridges, the cheapest >>decent MM cartridge that he would recommend was a Shure VST V. (That was >>before the event of the V15VMR, which I think takes the same stylus as the >>VST V.) He also maintains that his top of the range MM (can't recall how >>much it is - £600???) beats any MC at the same price and even twice the >>price ... He would, wouldn't he! But it's worth talking to the guy - he's >>not a salesman, he just passionately believes in what he's doing ... >> >>BTW, last time I spoke to him he told me he sells more of his cartridges to >>the US market than anywhere else. US audiophiles, he told me appreciate the >>benefits of MMs whereas the UK market has been duped into believing in the >>myth of MCs ... Don't shoot me for saying that! I'm only telling you what >>he told me!!! >> >>Gra' >> >>Graham >> >> >> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of >>>Ron >>>Sent: 27 January 2003 15:12 >>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] What's responsible for the improvement? >>>Salim....(OT) >>> >>> >>> >>>Mark Hugo wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Hi Salim, and all >>>> >>>>Quoting you; >>>> >>>>"Which one do you think made the biggest change compared to >>>>first time we hear those LPs, stylus or speakers ?" >>>> >>>>As some of the others have said, this is indeed an interesting >>>>question. If I were to look at the system to which referred >>>>specifically, the piece of the audio change that was responsible >>>>for a quantum improvement over a MM turntable system from >>>>yesteryear it would be the move up to a top grade MC. >>>> >>>>Firstly, the quality of the LP has improved to an extent. They >>>>are less subject to the extremes of mass production. The Mobile >>>>Fidelity and Simply Vinyl 200g pressings are (amongst others) >>>>extremely good but, and this is a big but, you have to have the >>>>gear to extract the magic from the grooves. The cantilever on >>>>these new generation estoteric MCs is hard to see it is so fine. >>>>I refer to cartridges like the Esprit mentioned already, the Van >>>>den Hul Grasshopper and the Linn Troika. >>>> >>>>The recording of the ELP was cut in 1973 or so. The Esprit >>>>extracted from it detail that has to be heard to be believed. >>>>He put both records through his Nitty Gritty Record Cleaner >>>>as a standard precursor to playing them. That way, he applied >>>>the minimum wear factor to both LP and cartridge. His >>>>observation is that provided a record is properly cleaned, >>>>(even if it is worn) and then played using a good quality, >>>>well aligned, light weight arm/unworn stylus, the wear on >>>>the record is negligible. These "theories" that suggested >>>>5-10 hi-fi playings was all you could hope to get out of a >>>>record must have applied to those horrible old heavyweight >>>>"radiogram" outfits that lathed their way through your music >>>>collections. >>>> >>>>I think it's the cartridge because before (18 months ago) he >>>>had the same cartridge with an SME IV arm (not the V) on a >>>>Linn Basik. It was nearly as impressive. What it lacked was >>>>the bass weight and "dark silence" of the full dress Sondek. >>>>The phon stage was also the same. The cabling has remained >>>>the same. He has no power conditioner. >>>> >>>>Jim is correct when he says that listening environments are >>>>important. We often forget that. We may have been listening >>>>in our bedrooms in those days. >>>> >>>>Speakers can have a major impact on the experience, but in this >>>>case, they have remained the same (three way sealed units from >>>>Infinity). I forget the model number. In the old days we >>>>listened to those ELP records on an old valve Philip's radiogram >>>>(the vinyl and acetate slicing and ripping machine referred to >>>>earlier) and that had a single full range speaker. So the question >>>>"is it the speakers or the sylus" is valid). But listening to the >>>>same record on a Technics SL1200 turntable with a Shure M75 / NAD >>>>3020/ Mordaunt Short MS20i was no where near the same experience. >>>>I accept that the replay chain was of a lower pedigree. But somehow, >>>>one can hear where the game is being lost. >>>> >>>>FIRST good speakers, THEN ample power to drive them(as stated iin >>>>one post) and THEN looking at the front end is perhaps applicable >>>>today in the digital age when the variations in perceivable quality >>>>from the front end are more subtle than in the analogue world. >>>> >>>> >>>So far, I couldn't agree more. This exactly matches my own >>>experiences. However... >>> >>> >>> >>>>I have found (because very few mag reviewers seem able to just >>>>say it) the step up from MM to MC is, in general, much more >>>>than just more money. It is a very big leap in quality. >>>>Detail is of a completely different and superior order. I'm >>>>not saying that there are no nice crisp 'n clean MMs, and >>>>that there aren't a couple of dullard MCs out there. (I >>>>haven't heard any though). But there seems a reliable rule >>>>of thumb here that might make rediscovering your record >>>>collection more rewarding than you had thought!! >>>> >>>> >>>... is not true, IME. I have always been a fan of Shure V-15 >>>cartridges. Many years ago, a dealer talked me into replacing >>>my V-15 III with an Ortofon MC cartridge. The MC sound was, >>>to me, restricted and lifeless. The MC pickup did not deliver >>>the airy highs and great detail, as advertised. Due to the low >>>output, noise level was higher. Not to mention that it cost >>>more than twice the V-15. Luckily, I still retained my old >>>cartridge. Three months later I reinstalled it and the dealer >>>agreed to take the Ortofon back. Later on, I replaced the >>>cartridge with a V-15VMR, for an audible improvement. Bottom >>>line: To me a MM cartridge is preferable to a MC one. >>> >>>-- Ron >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Cheers, >>>> >>>>Marc >>>> >>>> >>>= >>> >>> >>> >>--- >>Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >>Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/03 >> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > From kannan_s at vsnl.com Tue Jan 28 20:09:00 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 00:39:00 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Calibration Alignment Tape Message-ID: <20030128190900.758EF114921@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Tue Jan 28 22:09:45 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 08:09:45 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Calibration Alignment Tape Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201EA0@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Glen I would try Tivoli hifi in Camberwell (right next door to Camberwell Volvo). They "speak" Nakamichi and would know the right people to get in touch with. Here's their address....155-157 Camberwell Rd Hawthorn East VIC 3123 Ph: (03) 9813 3533. Give them a call, they are a decent bunch. Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Glen Anthony [mailto:mglen at melbpc.org.au] Sent: Wednesday, 29 January 2003 5:08 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Calibration Alignment Tape Thanks to everyones input (Ron,Salim,Maurits,Kannan,Thomas) very much appreciated. I have a service manual for the N600II coming soon. until then I now further realize what is necessary , I have to now look for a local specialist shipping a N600II is not cheap at a bare weight of 15Ibs/6.8Kg so would anyone happen to know of Nak specialist here in Melbourne Australia ???? It does'nt hurt to ask , if I don't the hip pocket will. I look forward to everyones responses , thankyou. Glen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Tue Jan 28 23:50:25 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 23:50:25 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Fixing errors on the website... Message-ID: <3E370931.C5B6BCCD@xs4all.nl> Hi All, I'm fixing some errors that are on the website, so please correct me if i'm (told) wrong and add ones that you have found! Here they are: MR-1: -Doesn't have front panel Bias fine tune. -Has support for an external noise reduction processor. MR-2: -10 segment meters only RX-202: -Doesn't have a pressure pad lifter OEM: -The OEM deck listed as Goodman is actually the british firm Goodmans TD-1200: -price new $1,195.00 (1983) -TD-1200II -price new $1,285.00 (1985) And various prices of new decks when they were released. So let the list grow! Wouter From roleo at telus.net Wed Jan 29 00:47:50 2003 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 15:47:50 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Fixing errors on the website... References: <3E370931.C5B6BCCD@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <001901c2c727$ab150a50$8075059a@desktop> Wouter, You can also add that any deck that uses the RM-580 (2 piece wireless RC) and RM-200 (wired RC) can also use the RM-5 (Wired RC). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wouter Heijke" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 2:50 PM Subject: [naktalk] Fixing errors on the website... > Hi All, > > I'm fixing some errors that are on the website, so please correct me if > i'm (told) wrong and add ones that you have found! > Here they are: > > MR-1: > -Doesn't have front panel Bias fine tune. > -Has support for an external noise reduction processor. > > MR-2: > -10 segment meters only > > RX-202: > -Doesn't have a pressure pad lifter > > OEM: > -The OEM deck listed as Goodman is actually the british firm Goodmans > > TD-1200: > -price new $1,195.00 (1983) > > -TD-1200II > -price new $1,285.00 (1985) > > And various prices of new decks when they were released. > So let the list grow! > > Wouter > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > From amar152 at comcast.net Tue Jan 28 21:27:36 2003 From: amar152 at comcast.net (alan mar) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 20:27:36 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Fixing errors on the website... In-Reply-To: <3E183A4B.458D5F37@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: Wouter- That's a pretty good list. I think the meter with only ten segments is common to the BX-300 and ZX-5, the MR-1, and the RX series. Thanks for maintaining such an excellent site! Alan From bigbear69 at netzero.net Wed Jan 29 06:42:12 2003 From: bigbear69 at netzero.net (bigbear69) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 22:42:12 -0700 Subject: FW: [naktalk] OT: Yes / ELP: Salim and Tim Message-ID: <000601c2c759$31e80060$3a503542@compaq> You are absolutely true about room acoustics Jim. I just moved into a brand new house. My living room has a vaulted ceiling so I was very weary about how my system would sound, but I must say it sounds wonderful. As for ELP/Yes. I seen ELP twice and Yes three times. My favorite ELP albums are Welcome back my friends... and Works Vol. II. Favorite Yes albums are The Yes Album and 90125. I guess between the two bands I have some 27 albums. As a matter of fact I have a radio broadcast of Yes in their prime (1979). It's a concert recorded from the L.A. Forum. My recording is o.k. but if any Nakster has a prime recdording of this concert, please speak up! -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com] On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 2:44 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Yes / ELP: Salim and Tim Salim, I would have to say that if you are listening to those LPs in a different room than the one you were in the first time you heard the music, the room acoustics are responsible for the largest difference in what you hear now. Room acoustics are a much larger variable than any system component. Guys tend to forget that. Jim Volpatti > Salim wrote: > "Which one do you think made the biggest change compared to first time > we hear those LPs, stylus or speakers ?" ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Wed Jan 29 18:20:40 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 18:20:40 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Ftp additions Message-ID: <3E380D67.9DBA8D40@xs4all.nl> I've added these files: - ZX-7 Owners Manual by Daniel Carreiro, got this one long time ago but forgot to add it to the site.. found it today! - RX-505 brochure by Blues himself -HighCom II brochure by Tom Siomopoulos I hope more people feel encouraged by these posts to also start scanning their manuals/brochures or anything else related to our Naks!! Wouter From kannan_s at vsnl.com Wed Jan 29 18:55:15 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 23:25:15 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Patty seems to respond at Nak usa parts department!! Message-ID: <20030129175515.8B92B11497A@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john_hielman at hotmail.com Thu Jan 30 00:57:36 2003 From: john_hielman at hotmail.com (Hielman John) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 10:57:36 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Jan 30 01:02:12 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 11:02:12 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201EA6@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> That's a good one John, I never thought of Tasmania in that way, but now that you mention it.... How's the weather their at the moment? Here in Melbourne it's still crappy. Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Hielman John [mailto:john_hielman at hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 30 January 2003 10:58 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) I would like to add my name to the list of global naktalkers. I am the proud owner of a Nak 582Z that I bought in Hong Kong brand new for US$450 way back in 1980 (the US dollar was worth next to nothing back in the Jimmy Carter days!!) I currently live on the southern outskirts of Hobart in the rudest looking island in the world (Tasmania) ... [here women are often asked to show their "maps of Tasmania" ...] ... anyway if WWIII starts, I'll be safe.... 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In the forward direction the sound is much duller and lower than the reverse. I also hear a clicking sound when the tape is playing forward like something is stuck mechanically and trying to work. Playing in reverse, everything is beautiful the way it should be for a Dragon. My guess is that the NAAC circuit or associated mechanics is jammed somehow. The seller was very cooperative (he sold me the deck for only $500.00 in good cosmetic shape) and even had the deck serviced before shipping it to me and had the pinch roller and belt replaced as well as having the "clutch adjusted". I'm not sure what the clutch is for. The service is under warranty, but being me being in Vancouver and the service center in Atlanta 3000 miles away, I kind of hate to have to ship it back there to someone i don't really trust. Any thoughts? Roland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From roleo at telus.net Thu Jan 30 01:38:28 2003 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 16:38:28 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problem References: <000001c2c7f5$c15f5300$8075059a@desktop> Message-ID: <000e01c2c7f7$e82f2ad0$8075059a@desktop> Sorry, my first line should shave read "tickled with the sound" not "ticked" with the sound. It's sounds good in reverse. ----- Original Message ----- From: Roland Alford To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 4:21 PM Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problem I just received my Dragon and I am ticked with the sound - at least in the reverse direction. In the forward direction the sound is much duller and lower than the reverse. I also hear a clicking sound when the tape is playing forward like something is stuck mechanically and trying to work. Playing in reverse, everything is beautiful the way it should be for a Dragon. My guess is that the NAAC circuit or associated mechanics is jammed somehow. The seller was very cooperative (he sold me the deck for only $500.00 in good cosmetic shape) and even had the deck serviced before shipping it to me and had the pinch roller and belt replaced as well as having the "clutch adjusted". I'm not sure what the clutch is for. The service is under warranty, but being me being in Vancouver and the service center in Atlanta 3000 miles away, I kind of hate to have to ship it back there to someone i don't really trust. Any thoughts? Roland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Thu Jan 30 01:42:18 2003 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 01:42:18 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030130014039.00a74240@box.tin.it> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Jan 30 03:30:02 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 13:30:02 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problem Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201EA8@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Roland I think you hit the nail on the head with your assumptions. My guess is that the clicking noise is the NAAC motor trying to align the head. I'm looking at the service manual and there is a adjustment (VR824) that is the playback azimuth reference for the forward direction. If you like, take note of the position (mark it with a fine felt tip pen), then take a look at page 9 of the service manual. Look at the playback head and record head height adjustment, it refers to adjusting the NAAC in the forward direction, follow the directions. I don't own a Dragon and therefore have no experience with this problem, but I have heard of this problem discussed before on this discussion group. Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Roland Alford [mailto:roleo at telus.net] Sent: Thursday, 30 January 2003 11:38 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon problem Sorry, my first line should shave read "tickled with the sound" not "ticked" with the sound. It's sounds good in reverse. ----- Original Message ----- From: Roland Alford To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 4:21 PM Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problem I just received my Dragon and I am ticked with the sound - at least in the reverse direction. In the forward direction the sound is much duller and lower than the reverse. I also hear a clicking sound when the tape is playing forward like something is stuck mechanically and trying to work. Playing in reverse, everything is beautiful the way it should be for a Dragon. My guess is that the NAAC circuit or associated mechanics is jammed somehow. The seller was very cooperative (he sold me the deck for only $500.00 in good cosmetic shape) and even had the deck serviced before shipping it to me and had the pinch roller and belt replaced as well as having the "clutch adjusted". I'm not sure what the clutch is for. The service is under warranty, but being me being in Vancouver and the service center in Atlanta 3000 miles away, I kind of hate to have to ship it back there to someone i don't really trust. Any thoughts? Roland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Thu Jan 30 04:28:42 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 08:58:42 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problem Message-ID: <20030130032842.E763411492A@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... 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Name: not available URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Jan 30 04:47:22 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 14:47:22 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problem Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201EAA@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> See I knew someone out there had a better (correct) answer! -----Original Message----- From: kannan_s at vsnl.com [mailto:kannan_s at vsnl.com] Sent: Thursday, 30 January 2003 2:29 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon problem Roland You are having the classic Dragon DD motor problem - Speed difference between the Capstans is not OK in forward direction. Certain amount of skewing of tape causes Auto azimuth to lose tracking in one direction. Open the top cover and look in to two solid flywheels of Capstans rotating. When the tape is playing in forward direction apply slight finger pressure on the slower left side flywheel ( looking from front) - The tape pulling (tape take up) capstan rotates slightly faster than the one which holds back the other end to maintain the constant tape tension. If the speed differential is not perfect this problem occurs. The tape hold back capstan motor has larger friction causing it to rotate slower than the expected speed. Since this is the take up capstan in reverse play mode and the other motor is slowing down, you do not see this problem . If this is the case the minute you apply slight pressure on the hold back side flywheel the tape will play brilliantly like the reverse play mode. You will also find the Auto Azimuth functions properly like in the other direction. Coming to solution- you better send it to Stephen as it is a difficult job for an in-experienced techies - DD motor disassemby requires quite a skill. Ron should thank his CR7 motor as it is very easy to remove the capstan and clean its bearing surface unlike Dragon! Kannan Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au wrote Roland I think you hit the nail on the head with your assumptions. My guess is that the clicking noise is the NAAC motor trying to align the head. I'm looking at the service manual and there is a adjustment (VR824) that is the playback azimuth reference for the forward direction. If you like, take note of the position (mark it with a fine felt tip pen), then take a look at page 9 of the service manual. Look at the playback head and record head height adjustment, it refers to adjusting the NAAC in the forward direction, follow the directions. I don't own a Dragon and therefore have no experience with this problem, but I have heard of this problem discussed before on this discussion group. Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Roland Alford [mailto:roleo at telus.net] Sent: Thursday, 30 January 2003 11:38 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon problem Sorry, my first line should shave read "tickled with the sound" not "ticked" with the sound. It's sounds good in reverse. ----- Original Message ----- From: Roland Alford To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 4:21 PM Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problem I just received my Dragon and I am ticked with the sound - at least in the reverse direction. In the forward direction the sound is much duller and lower than the reverse. I also hear a clicking sound when the tape is playing forward like something is stuck mechanically and trying to work. Playing in reverse, everything is beautiful the way it should be for a Dragon. My guess is that the NAAC circuit or associated mechanics is jammed somehow. The seller was very cooperative (he sold me the deck for only $500.00 in good cosmetic shape) and even had the deck serviced before shipping it to me and had the pinch roller and belt replaced as well as having the "clutch adjusted". I'm not sure what the clutch is for. The service is under warranty, but being me being in Vancouver and the service center in Atlanta 3000 miles away, I kind of hate to have to ship it back there to someone i don't really trust. Any thoughts? Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Jan 30 04:52:17 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 10:52:17 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problem Message-ID: <56cec5a951.5a95156cec@indosat.net.id> Hi Roland, here's another opinion ... Please make sure that pb head is precisely aligned before tinkering with NAAC electronics. Dragon should be 'easier' for the technician to align compared to regular nak due to its auto aligning nature - and if you hear clicking sound on forward play using various tapes then it won't be a good idea to send it back to same tech. The clacking sound is NAAC trying to align beyond its range. I tinkered with 2 dragons - one complete worn head and the other with half busted head - despite slightly dull sound, once physical alignment is correct the clacking sound did go away. If you don't feel like shipping the deck miles away and you want take some diy risk: first clean the heads capstan etc and observe current NAAC positions. Look at the pointer on the black box behind the transport - play tape in reverse direction, notice the pointer position and do the same for forward. On perfectly aligned head the pointer should stay roughly in the middle for both directions (use tape with good shell & recording). Assuming head height already correct you can get the azimuth right using home made test tapes recorded on your other Nak =) Now make sure you pull out the NAAC connector on the bottom board before head alignment process - and 'mark' current azimuth alignment screw position. Play 10 khz or 15khz test tones and tweak the azimuth (slowly, 2-3 notch at a time) to achieve optimum output level on both directions. Note: if az's maximum output for one direction differs by many many notch from the other direction there's a chance that head height also need to be adjusted. Reconnect the NAAC plug on bottom board and observe pointer movement. Hopefully clacking is reduced by now. Good luck ! Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: kannan_s at vsnl.com Date: Thursday, January 30, 2003 10:28 am Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon problem > Roland > You are having the classic Dragon DD motor problem - Speed > difference between the Capstans is not OK in forward direction. > Certain amount of skewing of tape causes Auto azimuth to lose > tracking in one direction. Open the top cover and look in to two > solid flywheels of Capstans rotating. When the tape is playing in > forward direction apply slight finger pressure on the slower left > side flywheel ( looking from front) - The tape pulling (tape take > up) capstan rotates slightly faster than the one which holds back > the other end to maintain the constant tape tension. If the speed > differential is not perfect this problem occurs. The tape hold > back capstan motor has larger friction causing it to rotate slower > than the expected speed. Since this is the take up capstan in > reverse play mode and the other motor is slowing down, you do not > see this problem . > If this is the case the minute you apply slight pressure on the > hold back side flywheel the tape will play brilliantly like the > reverse play mode. You will also find the Auto Azimuth functions > properly like in the other direction. > > Coming to solution- you better send it to Stephen as it is a > difficult job for an in-experienced techies - DD motor disassemby > requires quite a skill. > Ron should thank his CR7 motor as it is very easy to remove the > capstan and clean its bearing surface unlike Dragon! > Kannan > > > Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au wrote > Roland I think you hit the nail on the head with your assumptions. > My guess > is that the clicking noise is the NAAC motor trying to align the > head. I'm > looking at the service manual and there is a adjustment (VR824) > that is the > playback azimuth reference for the forward direction. If you like, > take note > of the position (mark it with a fine felt tip pen), then take a > look at page > 9 of the service manual. Look at the playback head and record head > heightadjustment, it refers to adjusting the NAAC in the forward > direction, follow > the directions. I don't own a Dragon and therefore have no > experience with > this problem, but I have heard of this problem discussed before on > thisdiscussion group. > > Regards Tom Siomopoulos. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Roland Alford [mailto:roleo at telus.net] > Sent: Thursday, 30 January 2003 11:38 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon problem > > > Sorry, my first line should shave read "tickled with the sound" > not "ticked" > with the sound. It's sounds good in reverse. From sandorpistike at hotmail.hu Thu Jan 30 12:44:06 2003 From: sandorpistike at hotmail.hu (=?iso-8859-1?Q?S=E1ndor_Istv=E1n?=) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 12:44:06 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Ftp additions References: <3E380D67.9DBA8D40@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: Hello Wouter, I am just downloading the ZX7 Owner Manual. I was a little bit disappointed before because not having a manual for this type, though it is said to be more common than the ZX9, but now all my wishes are completes. Thank you! Best regards, István ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wouter Heijke" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 6:20 PM Subject: [naktalk] Ftp additions > > I've added these files: > > - ZX-7 Owners Manual by Daniel Carreiro, got this one long time ago but > forgot to add it to the site.. found it today! > > - RX-505 brochure by Blues himself > > -HighCom II brochure by Tom Siomopoulos > > I hope more people feel encouraged by these posts to also start scanning > their manuals/brochures or anything else related to our Naks!! > > Wouter > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > From exposo at hotmail.com Thu Jan 30 14:30:58 2003 From: exposo at hotmail.com (Exposo Madass) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 08:30:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 700 and 700 s2 service manual Message-ID: Hi Steve, everyone. This is as annoying as it is embarrasing. It was afterall a connection. I had thought I had straightened that out the last time with the bead by bead resolder torture method. This time the contacts had gotten dirty again even though they had been meticulously cleaned last time. For good measure I pushed all of the spring contact pins foward some almost upto the point where they would bind. Inserting the cards takes more pressure but it's still smooth. Hopefully I won't have to go in there again. I just love the sound of those old decks and you can't beat that post-acid scifi look! Thanks again Javier >From: "Pavel V. Pasechnik" >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: >Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700 and 700 s2 service manual >Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 21:35:25 +0300 > >Hi All! > >I hope keep my (last year's :-)) promise and upload full 700TT service >manual in full PDF file... In the near future ;-) >It's practically finished... But some pictures of circuit board not >finished yet. Damned buggy scanner... > >Best regards, > Pavel. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Nick" >To: >Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 9:14 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700 and 700 s2 service manual > > > > THERE IS the amplifier circuit diagram of Nak 700TT on Naks.com >support page. The address is >support/manuals/service/english/TT700_AmplifierSchematic.tif > > > > Hope it helps. > > > > Regards, > > > > Nicholas. > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > > The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! >http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp > > > > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at >http://webmail.netscape.com/ > > >========---------------------------------------------------------------- >--========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------------- >--========= > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From jmtooley at ce.net Thu Jan 30 14:54:14 2003 From: jmtooley at ce.net (jmtooley at ce.net) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 08:54:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problem In-Reply-To: <000001c2c7f5$c15f5300$8075059a@desktop> References: <000001c2c7f5$c15f5300$8075059a@desktop> Message-ID: <1043934854.3e392e86d8630@mail.ce.net> Simple, call Stephen(Sank)in N.M. and ask how his schedule is. He's the Rolls Royce mechanic of cassette decks! John T. Quoting Roland Alford : > I just received my Dragon and I am ticked with the sound - at least in the > reverse direction. > > In the forward direction the sound is much duller and lower than the reverse. > I also hear a clicking sound when the tape is playing forward like something > is stuck mechanically and trying to work. Playing in reverse, everything is > beautiful the way it should be for a Dragon. > > My guess is that the NAAC circuit or associated mechanics is jammed somehow. > The seller was very cooperative (he sold me the deck for only $500.00 in good > cosmetic shape) and even had the deck serviced before shipping it to me and > had the pinch roller and belt replaced as well as having the "clutch > adjusted". I'm not sure what the clutch is for. > > The service is under warranty, but being me being in Vancouver and the > service center in Atlanta 3000 miles away, I kind of hate to have to ship it > back there to someone i don't really trust. > > Any thoughts? > > Roland From Ken.Gentry at gilbarco.com Thu Jan 30 15:25:14 2003 From: Ken.Gentry at gilbarco.com (Gentry, Ken) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 09:25:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Any manual scanning tips out there? Message-ID: Hi, I bought a *scanned* copy of a CR-1 service manual on eBay about a month ago. The smallest details are very readable (schematics, mechanical diagrams). I tried some test scans of these pages when I learned of the manual collection on Naks.com. I got disappointing results (i.e. blurry). I didn't think that anyone would benefit from a blurry service manual, so I didn't scan anymore. I scanned at 300 and 600 dpi true color and 14 bit grayscale. Any suggestions on the best approach for scanning manuals (i.e. suggest dpi, acceptable compression rates of the scanned images, etc). If someone needs a CR-1 service manual now, I can try making a photocopy of it. Ken ken.gentry at gilbarco.com From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Thu Jan 30 16:49:05 2003 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 16:49:05 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Any manual scanning tips out there? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030130164625.00a71020@box.tin.it> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Ken.Gentry at gilbarco.com Thu Jan 30 16:59:58 2003 From: Ken.Gentry at gilbarco.com (Gentry, Ken) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 10:59:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Any manual scanning tips out there? Message-ID: I will send you a scanned page from the schematic as a test to see what you can do with it. What is the FTP server address? Ken -----Original Message----- From: Ezio [mailto:ezio_lucenti at tin.it] Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 10:49 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Any manual scanning tips out there? In my humble opinion you should scan at 150 or 200 dpi max and then ... eventually use a Photoshop plug-in to SHARPEN it .... I have Ultra-Sharpen pro and works great ... What about setting up a 4 hands job over the net ? I mean ,,, you scan ,,, upload your raw files into my FTP server .... I try to render at the best ... and maybe OCR for the text ... and then I prepare a PDF file of the manual ... What would you say ? Ciao Ezio At 09:25 AM 1/30/03 -0500, you wrote: Hi, I bought a *scanned* copy of a CR-1 service manual on eBay about a month ago. The smallest details are very readable (schematics, mechanical diagrams). I tried some test scans of these pages when I learned of the manual collection on Naks.com. I got disappointing results (i.e. blurry). I didn't think that anyone would benefit from a blurry service manual, so I didn't scan anymore. I scanned at 300 and 600 dpi true color and 14 bit grayscale. Any suggestions on the best approach for scanning manuals (i.e. suggest dpi, acceptable compression rates of the scanned images, etc). If someone needs a CR-1 service manual now, I can try making a photocopy of it. Ken ken.gentry at gilbarco.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site http://www.lucenti.com My pages on digital photography ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Jan 30 17:12:41 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 23:12:41 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 problem - RX 202 counter References: <6fd11170040d.70040d6fd111@georgetown.edu> <007101c2c418$a1f6f210$1d3442cf@steve> <000001c2c49e$89b347e0$8a299bca@smarzuki> <018501c2c4b2$76738460$1d3442cf@steve> Message-ID: <000c01c2c87a$8ab0c0c0$8b199bca@smarzuki> Thanks Stephen ! As usual you are spot on the problem. I put in black matte cellotape to cover the black parts of the reel and voila ! everything worked as if no problem ever occured. Memory stop is also very precise. So the problem was exactly the opposite - the sensor was very sensitive to reflection ! Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Sank To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 3:43 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] MR-1 problem - RX 202 counter I've been "laying low" so as not to get further behind on my workload than I already am, and due to being in the midst of moving my shop. The only problem I ever have with the reel sensing is finding, once in a very great while, a bad photosensor behind the reel. Have you tried cleaning the sensor's little lenses? The only other thing I can suggest beyond what you've done is to further blacken the black parts of the reel sticker, just in case the sensor's not getting a good absence of reflection in between the foils. Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer Talking Dog Transducer Company http://stephensank.com 5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] (temporarily using home address, due to imminent shop move) 505-332-0336 Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer Payments preferred through Paypal.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] MR-1 problem - RX 202 counter > > Hi Stephen, good to see you back on naktalk ! > > I have a question regarding RX 202 counter 'template' which is a round > reflective paper with black cross and mounted behind take up reel. The > sensor did not receive sufficient light (?) from the reflective paper and as > a result even though the reel is turning, tape counter did not move and > transport stopped. > > This is the second time I notice such problem (never on BX) (reason to own > 202s at a good price =) and my workaround is to glue pieces of aluminum > paper on top of the shiny part. It worked, but the counter doesn't go as > smooth as original. My question: is there any possible electronic > modification to make the sensor more sensitive ? Or will it shorten the > life of sensor ? > > Best regards, > Salim SM > From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Jan 30 17:33:54 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 11:33:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problem References: <20030130032842.E763411492A@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <3E3953F2.E3C8EB7A@rcn.com> kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > > [.......] > Ron should thank his CR7 motor as it is very easy to remove > the capstan and clean its bearing surface unlike Dragon! > Kannan To me, the most difficult part is removal of the deck from the system cabinet. Once it's on the bench, everything else is easy... -- Ron From gerryhijlkema at uwnet.nl Thu Jan 30 18:11:21 2003 From: gerryhijlkema at uwnet.nl (Gerry) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 18:11:21 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Full color Hi-Res LX-5 Service Manual scan job in progress Message-ID: <001a01c2c882$a3b27340$a292e3d5@gerryaabazzvv6> I'm still working on the subject, Wouter. Uploading is planned nxt week.. Maurits From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Thu Jan 30 18:40:24 2003 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 18:40:24 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Any manual scanning tips out there? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030130183908.00abdec0@box.tin.it> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Thu Jan 30 18:59:35 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 23:29:35 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Any manual scanning tips out there? Message-ID: <20030130175935.B899C11496D@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From JBoris4325 at aol.com Thu Jan 30 19:10:21 2003 From: JBoris4325 at aol.com (JBoris4325 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 13:10:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak car stereos Message-ID: <5FF23772.4E47E4AB.0ACC7DC7@aol.com> I am looking into buying one? Anyone have one for sale? Any recomendations? Should I stick with a CD deck instead of cassette..i.e. are the cassette decks problematic? what are the differences between the td-500 and 700 models? any advice is helpful. Sincerely, jeff email me if you wish jboris4325 at aol.com From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu Jan 30 19:20:12 2003 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 10:20:12 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Any manual scanning tips out there? References: Message-ID: <3E396CDC.38ECDD2F@earthlink.net> Wouter, Perhaps, since you are making some corrections to the website, you can add a few lines of text explaining the best method for uploading readable graphics files to the Nak manual page. I'm sure anyone who uploads or downloads manuals from your website would appreciate it. And speaking of appreciation, thank you for building and maintaining the website and this email forum. We are all grateful. Cheers, Jim Volpatti "Gentry, Ken" wrote: > Hi, > > I bought a *scanned* copy of a CR-1 service manual > on eBay about a month ago. The smallest details are > very readable (schematics, mechanical diagrams). > > I tried some test scans of these pages when I learned > of the manual collection on Naks.com. I got disappointing > results (i.e. blurry). I didn't think that anyone > would benefit from a blurry service manual, so I didn't > scan anymore. > > I scanned at 300 and 600 dpi true color and 14 bit grayscale. > > Any suggestions on the best approach for scanning manuals > (i.e. suggest dpi, acceptable compression rates of the > scanned images, etc). > > If someone needs a CR-1 service manual now, I can try > making a photocopy of it. > > Ken > ken.gentry at gilbarco.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Thu Jan 30 19:18:37 2003 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 19:18:37 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Mistake while accessing the FTP server In-Reply-To: <20030130175935.B899C11496D@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030130191659.00a74050@box.tin.it> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pasec at relex.ru Thu Jan 30 19:22:50 2003 From: pasec at relex.ru (Pavel V. Pasechnik) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 21:22:50 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Any manual scanning tips out there? References: <20030130175935.B899C11496D@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <01c001c2c88c$98a545e0$e405a8c0@relex.ru> Hi! ----- Original Message ----- From: ... > I would rate Norman' scanning and converting the service manual as the best work on our Naks.com ftp manuals. I found grey scale 300 DPI scan is minmal for a good clean scan. But the size is quite big. Norman For example, I scanning 700TT SM with 300dpi resolution. Some pictures with 600dpi grey scale. And recognition scans with ABBYY FineReader. Now (111 pages yet) it had size for about 5M with text and pictures. Regards, Pavel. From dorian.dyer at digit6.com Thu Jan 30 19:25:36 2003 From: dorian.dyer at digit6.com (Dorian Dyer) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 13:25:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak car stereos In-Reply-To: <5FF23772.4E47E4AB.0ACC7DC7@aol.com> Message-ID: <000301c2c88c$fc4e9420$9501010a@ddyer1> NEW Nakamichi TD-500 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3003161394&category=4 784 Dorian -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com] On Behalf Of JBoris4325 at aol.com Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 1:10 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak car stereos I am looking into buying one? Anyone have one for sale? Any recomendations? Should I stick with a CD deck instead of cassette..i.e. are the cassette decks problematic? what are the differences between the td-500 and 700 models? any advice is helpful. Sincerely, jeff email me if you wish jboris4325 at aol.com ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= From jmtooley at ce.net Thu Jan 30 20:50:41 2003 From: jmtooley at ce.net (jmtooley at ce.net) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 14:50:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 ZXL manual In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1043956241.3e398211a78f1@mail.ce.net> Would anybody at Naktalk have a Nakamichi 700 ZXL owners manual or clean scan of same available? Thank you, John T. From bjgrady at pacbell.net Thu Jan 30 20:57:42 2003 From: bjgrady at pacbell.net (John) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 11:57:42 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 ZXL manual In-Reply-To: <1043956241.3e398211a78f1@mail.ce.net> Message-ID: <000001c2c899$d9f5a0a0$5900a8c0@SUPPORT.RENTANAPT.COM> I've got one. I could either photo copy and snail-mail or maybe some other option. Let me know. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of jmtooley at ce.net Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 11:51 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 ZXL manual Would anybody at Naktalk have a Nakamichi 700 ZXL owners manual or clean scan of same available? Thank you, John T. ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From jmtooley at ce.net Thu Jan 30 21:00:39 2003 From: jmtooley at ce.net (jmtooley at ce.net) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 15:00:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak car stereos In-Reply-To: <000301c2c88c$fc4e9420$9501010a@ddyer1> References: <000301c2c88c$fc4e9420$9501010a@ddyer1> Message-ID: <1043956839.3e398467c4e08@mail.ce.net> WOW! what a beauty! That would look nice in my Porsche, if I had one! ;-) John T. Quoting Dorian Dyer : > > NEW Nakamichi TD-500 > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3003161394&category=4 > 784 > > Dorian > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com] On Behalf > Of JBoris4325 at aol.com > Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 1:10 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak car stereos > > > I am looking into buying one? > Anyone have one for sale? > Any recomendations? > Should I stick with a CD deck instead of cassette..i.e. are the cassette > decks problematic? > what are the differences between the td-500 and 700 models? > any advice is helpful. > Sincerely, > jeff > > email me if you wish > jboris4325 at aol.com > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ ========= > > From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri Jan 31 00:23:13 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 00:23:13 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 700II owners manual Message-ID: <3E39B3E1.BC97CE3C@xs4all.nl> I'm uploading the 700II owners manual, scanned by myself. These 'older' manuals require more attention, actually the have more greyscale colors then the newer manuals which are basically black & white. I scanned it at 300dpi, and did some processing in photoshop to reduce the noise and amount of colors, all of this to keep the pdf filesize small, it was 70mb from the original 256 greyscale scanned images, and now is 7mb. For the newer manuals i use a special setting in my scanner software (Canoscan) to actually scan in 2 colors, only that doesn't give a nice result with the older manuals like the 700II. Wouter ps. Anyone with a 1000/1000II owners manual who wants to scan that one for the ftp? From n.van.wijnen at home.nl Fri Jan 31 00:23:18 2003 From: n.van.wijnen at home.nl (norman van wijnen) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 00:23:18 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 ZXL manual References: <000001c2c899$d9f5a0a0$5900a8c0@SUPPORT.RENTANAPT.COM> Message-ID: <002401c2c8b6$9547a9e0$0400a7c0@CC132114B> Hi maybe you can scan the manual and send it to me? the i make a pdf manual of it and send it to wouter's server Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: "John" To: Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 8:57 Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 ZXL manual > I've got one. I could either photo copy and snail-mail or maybe some other > option. > > Let me know. > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > jmtooley at ce.net > Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 11:51 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 ZXL manual > > > Would anybody at Naktalk have a Nakamichi 700 ZXL owners manual or clean > scan > of same available? > > Thank you, > John T. > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From bjgrady at pacbell.net Fri Jan 31 00:34:33 2003 From: bjgrady at pacbell.net (John) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 15:34:33 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 ZXL manual In-Reply-To: <002401c2c8b6$9547a9e0$0400a7c0@CC132114B> Message-ID: <000601c2c8b8$2556fa30$5900a8c0@SUPPORT.RENTANAPT.COM> I could do that. What file type/resolution? I don't have Acrobat @ home. John. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of norman van wijnen Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 3:23 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 ZXL manual Hi maybe you can scan the manual and send it to me? the i make a pdf manual of it and send it to wouter's server Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: "John" To: Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 8:57 Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 ZXL manual > I've got one. I could either photo copy and snail-mail or maybe some other > option. > > Let me know. > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > jmtooley at ce.net > Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 11:51 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 ZXL manual > > > Would anybody at Naktalk have a Nakamichi 700 ZXL owners manual or clean > scan > of same available? > > Thank you, > John T. > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From pasec at relex.ru Fri Jan 31 11:08:35 2003 From: pasec at relex.ru (Pavel V. Pasechnik) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 13:08:35 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] 700 owner manual References: <000601c2c8b8$2556fa30$5900a8c0@SUPPORT.RENTANAPT.COM> Message-ID: <03b501c2c910$b7656350$e405a8c0@relex.ru> Hi! How I can upload it to support.naks.com? Size: ~1.1M. Regards, Pavel From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri Jan 31 11:25:09 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (wheijke at xs4all.nl) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 11:25:09 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] 700 owner manual In-Reply-To: <03b501c2c910$b7656350$e405a8c0@relex.ru> References: <000601c2c8b8$2556fa30$5900a8c0@SUPPORT.RENTANAPT.COM> <03b501c2c910$b7656350$e405a8c0@relex.ru> Message-ID: <4306.62.72.223.42.1044008709.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Hi Pavel (and other Naktalkers), This is what you do... ftp to: ftp.naks.com login: pdfupload password: s3rv1c3 Then go to the incoming directory and place your file(s) there This is an upload only account, no downloads possible! The account also has an limited lifetime, so it may have been expired sometimes, if that happens let me know. Also let me know if you've uploaded something, then i know it was from you and can put what you've uploaded on the support site. Enjoy! Wouter > Hi! > > How I can upload it to support.naks.com? > Size: ~1.1M. > > Regards, > Pavel > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > From dbadner at earthlink.net Fri Jan 31 12:48:37 2003 From: dbadner at earthlink.net (dbadner at earthlink.net) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 06:48:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] What's responsible for the improvement? Salim....(OT) Message-ID: <3652271.1044024196720.JavaMail.nobody@grover.psp.pas.earthlink.net> There is a problem with your evaluation that would favor the Shure. The Dual 701 is a very good table but it has a very low-mass arm. The medium compliance Ortophon MC cartridges would be a missmatch and would not sound or track well in this combination. The 701 arm is also not rigid enough to handle the kind of energy that an MC cartridge throws back in the arm. It is a better match for a MM. It is not surprising to me that the Shure sounded better but it does not indicate how the Ortophon would sound if it were properly set up. I think Shure makes excellent cartriges and it can sound better than many MC cartridges but there are some great MC cartridges out there that certain aspects of their sound will exceed the Shure. Which you prefer will depend on you tastes, your system and the type of records you play. Moving coils require a much greater commitment to get them to sound their best but with both MC and MM cartridges, setup is critical. Put an older Shure on a heavy S-shaped arm and you'll wonder why anybody likes them. (The newer ones work on heavy arms.) Dave -------Original Message------- From: Ron Sent: 01/28/03 10:10 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] What's responsible for the improvement? Salim....(OT) > > The cartridges were auditioned in the exact same system. The system was very familiar to me and I listened to the same LPs, that I was also familiar with. 'Auditioned' is really the wrong word... I *lived* with both cartridges for a while (several months for the Ortofon, several years -- before and after the Ortofon -- to the Shure). Both cartridges were installed in a Dual 701. I owned the TT several years and put cartridges in it several times. I have installed many cartridges in my life (easily, hundreds) and can't believe I made a mistake exactly with that Ortofon. I believe there was nothing wrong with either the cartridge or the installation. The dealer that sold it to me was also a friend (well, kinda). He came over to listen to the cartridge after I told him how unhappy I was and thought it sounded great and 'musical'... Nonetheless, he agreed to take it back (after several months of use) for full credit. (FWIW, he also agreed that top of the line Shure cartridges sounded excellent for a fraction of the cost of the competition). I have to stress again that I do not claim the Ortofon sounded bad, or that MC cartridges are necessarily inferior. All I am saying is, the sound quality of a cartridge depends on many characteristics and MC vs. MM is just one factor of many. Specific design and implementation are more important, as is listener taste. -- Ron Jim Volpatti wrote: > > Were these cartridges auditioned in the same system? A system that was familiar to you? > Were the cartridges and tone arms set up correctly? Even dealers are guilty of poor set up > at times. One has to be careful to take all of these factors into consideration before > judging cartridge performance. > > Jim Volpatti > > Ron wrote: > > > In theory, MC cartridges should have an edge, because the > > moving mass can be made much smaller than MM (3 turns of > > thinner than human hair wire VS. a piece of metal). I > > suspect that in practice, the difference in mass is not > > as significant as many other characteristics: compliance, > > total cartridge mass, freedom from resonances, etc., etc.. > > > > The specific Ortofon I mentioned before sounded good > > enough, but the sound had a sense of strain, as if one was > > listening from a distance or through a curtain. Shure > > cartridges sound very 'open', as if one is listening from > > 3rd row center in a concert. Sound of Stanton cartridges, > > though not as good (this is for top of the line for both, > > at the time), also had this open quality. I heard a Benz > > cartridge, just once (have no idea what model it was), and > > was seriously unimpressed... > > > > -- Ron > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri Jan 31 15:45:49 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (wheijke at xs4all.nl) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 15:45:49 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] 700 owner manual online! In-Reply-To: <043901c2c933$41f92fc0$e405a8c0@relex.ru> References: <000601c2c8b8$2556fa30$5900a8c0@SUPPORT.RENTANAPT.COM> <03b501c2c910$b7656350$e405a8c0@relex.ru> <4306.62.72.223.42.1044008709.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <043901c2c933$41f92fc0$e405a8c0@relex.ru> Message-ID: <9123.62.72.223.42.1044024349.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Thanks Pavel, looks like a nice job! http://support.naks.com/support/manuals/owners/english/700_OwnersManual.pdf Wouter From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Jan 31 16:27:55 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 10:27:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] What's responsible for the improvement? Salim....(OT) References: <3652271.1044024196720.JavaMail.nobody@grover.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3E3A95FB.3AA2641A@rcn.com> I totally agree. Shure high end high compliance cartridges do display their best in low mass arms. That makes them more suitable for the kind of TTs/arms I have used (Dual 701, SME 3009 and Revox B791). However, the Ortofon cartridge was not very heavy, nor was it very low compliance. Based on the spec, it should have performed well. So, yes, it was 'properly set up'. I also agree that 'Which you prefer will depend on your tastes [...] and the type of records you play'. I think this is a key point. In general, people that heard the MC cartridge did like it. It was only me, having extensively compared it to the MM cartridge, that found it less satisfactory. The music I listen to is mostly classical, with heavy weighting on vocal (opera, operettas and musical plays). I like 'open' sound, but without the ubiquitous exaggerated sibilance. Shure cartridges are easily better in those respect. -- Ron dbadner at earthlink.net wrote: > > There is a problem with your evaluation that would favor the Shure. The Dual 701 is a very good table but it has a very low-mass arm. The medium compliance Ortophon MC cartridges would be a missmatch and would not sound or track well in this combination. The 701 arm is also not rigid enough to handle the kind of energy that an MC cartridge throws back in the arm. It is a better match for a MM. It is not surprising to me that the Shure sounded better but it does not indicate how the Ortophon would sound if it were properly set up. > > I think Shure makes excellent cartriges and it can sound better than many MC cartridges but there are some great MC cartridges out there that certain aspects of their sound will exceed the Shure. Which you prefer will depend on you tastes, your system and the type of records you play. Moving coils require a much greater commitment to get them to sound their best but with both MC and MM cartridges, setup is critical. Put an older Shure on a heavy S-shaped arm and you'll wonder why anybody likes them. (The newer ones work on heavy arms.) > > Dave > > -------Original Message------- > From: Ron > Sent: 01/28/03 10:10 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] What's responsible for the improvement? Salim....(OT) > > > > > > The cartridges were auditioned in the exact same system. The > system was very familiar to me and I listened to the same LPs, > that I was also familiar with. 'Auditioned' is really the > wrong word... I *lived* with both cartridges for a while > (several months for the Ortofon, several years -- before and > after the Ortofon -- to the Shure). > > Both cartridges were installed in a Dual 701. I owned the TT > several years and put cartridges in it several times. I have > installed many cartridges in my life (easily, hundreds) and > can't believe I made a mistake exactly with that Ortofon. > > I believe there was nothing wrong with either the cartridge > or the installation. The dealer that sold it to me was also > a friend (well, kinda). He came over to listen to the > cartridge after I told him how unhappy I was and thought it > sounded great and 'musical'... Nonetheless, he agreed to take > it back (after several months of use) for full credit. (FWIW, > he also agreed that top of the line Shure cartridges sounded > excellent for a fraction of the cost of the competition). > > I have to stress again that I do not claim the Ortofon > sounded bad, or that MC cartridges are necessarily inferior. > All I am saying is, the sound quality of a cartridge depends > on many characteristics and MC vs. MM is just one factor of > many. Specific design and implementation are more important, > as is listener taste. > > -- Ron > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > Were these cartridges auditioned in the same system? A system that was > familiar to you? > > Were the cartridges and tone arms set up correctly? Even dealers are > guilty of poor set up > > at times. One has to be careful to take all of these factors into > consideration before > > judging cartridge performance. > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > In theory, MC cartridges should have an edge, because the > > > moving mass can be made much smaller than MM (3 turns of > > > thinner than human hair wire VS. a piece of metal). I > > > suspect that in practice, the difference in mass is not > > > as significant as many other characteristics: compliance, > > > total cartridge mass, freedom from resonances, etc., etc.. > > > > > > The specific Ortofon I mentioned before sounded good > > > enough, but the sound had a sense of strain, as if one was > > > listening from a distance or through a curtain. Shure > > > cartridges sound very 'open', as if one is listening from > > > 3rd row center in a concert. Sound of Stanton cartridges, > > > though not as good (this is for top of the line for both, > > > at the time), also had this open quality. I heard a Benz > > > cartridge, just once (have no idea what model it was), and > > > was seriously unimpressed... > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2003\2003-10.txt ************************************************************************ From jhkim at pentamicro.com Wed Oct 1 02:00:06 2003 From: jhkim at pentamicro.com (=?ks_c_5601-1987?B?sejBvsf2XChKb25naHllb24gS2ltXCk=?=) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 09:00:06 +0900 Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 Noise Problem Message-ID: <0d1f01c387ae$fb45f0f0$1901a8c0@jhkim> Hi all, My RX-505 noise problem is solved!!! The noise is caused from power supply board. Power supply mounting screws on rear panel are loosed. So I tighten all the power supply board mounting screws and grounding screw. The noise is not generated any more.The sound is very clear. Thanks Stephen very much. I could solve the problem from your message. Regards, Jonghyeon Kim Seoul, Korea From pebey at hotmail.com Wed Oct 1 08:54:48 2003 From: pebey at hotmail.com (Peter Mork) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 02:54:48 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] DR-1 oddity? Message-ID: Hello, I have owned a DR-1 - the one with the tunable azimuth - for, how long is it? Eight years? It has performed like a wizard and I will keep it forever, but there is one thing that has always bugged me about it. When I went shopping for a cassette deck, I knew I wanted to be able to to fine-tune playback azimuth, because I owned a lot of commercially pre-recorded tapes, and intended to keep buying them. Hate that swooshy sound and drop of treble you get when you play a tape that doesn't match the deck you're playing it on. So the DR-1 was the obvious choice - at that point I guess the only choice for me. I wanted to see how well this feature worked, so I took a bunch of my favorite tapes to the Tweeter showroom and barricaded myself in their sound demo area. Played them one after one, and immediately noticed that the optimum azimuth setting for each of them did not correspond with the "12 O'clock" factory setting of the showroom deck. In fact, they ALL had to be tweaked to about 1 to 2 O'clock to sound right - there was some variation as you might expect, but none matched the 12 O'clock setting. Okay, I thought, maybe this particular deck is out of adjustment. But I tried recording on it, and on playback it was clear that record and playback heads were matched, ie. playback was correct at 12 O'clock (and the little green LED lit up), so if the playback head was out of whack, the record head had to be too. Well, that's odd. I took the same tapes and some other ones to a different Tweeter showroom, did the same test, and got the same result. Every commercial tape had to be tweaked to the same range of 1 - 2 O'clock to sound its best. In spite of this surprising result, I bought my DR-1. The one I took home turned out to be just like the ones I tested at the store. Sure, I had no problem making any tape I played on it sound great. But it always bugged me that Nakamichi Standard azimuth and "commercial" standard azimuth did not jibe. (I have played many tapes on it, almost all seem to play best at that right-of-12 O'clock setting, a few do seem to be close to 12, but I have never found a left-of-12 tape anywhere. Similarly, cassettes recorded on other good quality home decks seem to pretty much agree with the commercial standard as well.) So, what does this mean? I record a lot of tapes on my DR-1. I know they may never be played on another machine. But hold it - I also know that they cannot quite match all the other cassette decks in the world. Sticks in my craw - okay, I don't lose sleep over it, but still. I guess I would like to know if anyone on this list has made the same discovery. I once contacted a high-end expert who was surprised - I frankly think he didn't believe that my observations were valid, since I didn't use an oscilloscope or an expensive test tape or anything, just my ears. How could Nakamichi have made such an otherwise beautiful piece of gear, and then screw up this one not-so-minor detail? Or is the whole world askew and only Nakamichi providing a dead-on 90 degrees of azimuth perfection? Who do you trust, anyway? Makes me paranoid! 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Regards Tom Siomopoulos From rjkent at comcast.net Wed Oct 1 15:35:50 2003 From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 06:35:50 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] DR-1 Playback Azimuth Message-ID: <001901c38820$eda10670$ed06e90c@B8142DE8> Hi Peter, I don't have a DR-1, but I have a couple of Cassette Deck Ones, a CR-7 and a Dragon, all of which also have adjustable Playback Azimuth (the Dragon's NAAC system being automatic). I also find that most of my tapes that were recorded on other machines (Teac and Dual in my case) do not sound best at the 12:00 position on the CR-7 and Deck One. Most, as with your experience, are best at about the 1:00 position. Strangely, I found one recently that was better at the 11:00 position. It had been recorded on the same Teac 3-head machine that had produced most of my other tapes. The only variable was that it was a Denon HD-8 70us tape instead of my usual TDK SA-90 and SAX-90 tapes. 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URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Oct 2 15:53:41 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 09:53:41 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 In-Reply-To: <000801c38902$9ab68a60$5501550c@proctorb> References: <000801c38902$9ab68a60$5501550c@proctorb> Message-ID: <3F7C2DE5.8040002@rcn.com> Proctor Burress wrote: > I have a Nak LX-3 purchased in 1982.. It is inoperative. May be major may be minor > trouble..It has not been driven hard and has few miles on the heads, etc. > > What is the most anyone would invest in restoring this machine? > > Thanks for your help, > > Proctor > psburress at worldnet.att.net > LX-3s in average condition sell in the $125 range. Seems to me that, since your machine cost nothing as is, $125 is the maximum that makes sense for you to spend. Alternatively, you can sell it for whatever you can get for it and be a few bucks (or whatever your currency is) ahead. There are hordes of people whose hobby it is to restore vintage equipment. For them, the bottom line is the cost of parts -- their labour comes for free. This way, an ostensibly worthless machine can be turned into some cash. -- Ron From fidelman at telcel.net.ve Thu Oct 2 23:34:40 2003 From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 17:34:40 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi BA-150 Message-ID: <002b01c3892d$0003d290$676623c8@g8nsv> Hi my friends!!! Recently in ebay I found a Nakamichi BA-150....can you tell me what does it do???? Any of you have one of these??? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3049835849&category=3284 best regards Isy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 3 00:18:14 2003 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 15:18:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi BA-150 In-Reply-To: <002b01c3892d$0003d290$676623c8@g8nsv> Message-ID: <20031002221814.81621.qmail@web40409.mail.yahoo.com> If I'm not mistaken it just takes a single input (or maybe two inputs summed to mono) and outputs a pair of signals. One is non-inverting and the other one inverted. With this you can take a standard two channel amplifier and turn it into a mono bridged amplifier. The speaker would connect across the left positive and right positive outputs. Becareful though. A 4 ohm speaker would look like a 2 ohm load on each of the amplifier channels. Scott J. --- Isy Fidelman wrote: > Hi my friends!!! > Recently in ebay I found a Nakamichi BA-150....can > you tell me what does it do???? > Any of you have one of these??? > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3049835849&category=3284 > best regards > > Isy > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Fri Oct 3 00:20:19 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 08:20:19 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi BA-150 Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D1B2@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> One of the black box components used to receive one audio channel and then split it into two mono channels that is then fed into the power amplifier, a simple bridging adapter. I guess this works well with bi-amping situations where you are using one amp for the left channel as an example and splitting the two speaker outputs for your bi-ampable speaker. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Isy Fidelman [mailto:fidelman at telcel.net.ve] Sent: Friday, 3 October 2003 7:35 To: Naktalk mailinglist Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi BA-150 Hi my friends!!! Recently in ebay I found a Nakamichi BA-150....can you tell me what does it do???? Any of you have one of these??? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=3049835849&category=3284 best regards Isy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Oct 3 00:21:52 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 18:21:52 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi BA-150 In-Reply-To: <002b01c3892d$0003d290$676623c8@g8nsv> References: <002b01c3892d$0003d290$676623c8@g8nsv> Message-ID: <3F7CA500.1000902@rcn.com> Isy Fidelman wrote: > Hi my friends!!! > Recently in ebay I found a Nakamichi BA-150....can you tell me what does it do???? > Any of you have one of these??? > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3049835849&category=3284 > best regards > > Isy This looks to be exactly as it's name implies (and as sketched right on top of the case): a bridging adapter. The purpose of the unit is explained in the auction description: "Used to combine the channels of a stereo amplifier to produce very high power as a mono amp". The 'very high power' can IN THEORY be as much as twice the combined power of the two channels; for example, a bridged 100WPC stereo amplifier can be bridged to produce as much as 400W. In practice, the amplifier can easily self destruct unless designed with a bridged connection in mind. Note that amps designed for bridging will incorporate the necessary circuitry internally and do not require this adapter. -- Ron From william.k.dvorak at office.xerox.com Fri Oct 3 16:59:20 2003 From: william.k.dvorak at office.xerox.com (Dvorak, William K) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 07:59:20 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1 Message-ID: <54FB54534A396742B3126B152EFAF88817CFE1@usawvms07.opbu.xerox.com> I purchased the Cassette Deck 1 LTD that was on ebay. Does anybody know if it has a removable door to adjust the playback head? I know I can adjust the azimuth but I may need to adjust the head height for some very old voice recordings I want to digitize. My friend copied one of the tapes with his Dragon. The voice is much clearer than the same tape played on my JVC but the sound volume goes up and down. Bill Dvorak From kjbleus at charter.net Sat Oct 4 05:53:49 2003 From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 22:53:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] TDK MA-EX Cassette Message-ID: <001701c38a2b$1ea4ced0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6> What do you cassette tape aficionados think about this version of TDK? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3049687107 EX for EXtended bias? Is this a classic or a Japanese newbie offered in limited availability?? Regards, K.J. Bleus Madison, Wisc USA kjbleus at charter.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From daves at intergate.com Sun Oct 5 03:19:10 2003 From: daves at intergate.com (David) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 21:19:10 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL metering In-Reply-To: <002601c37fdc$74ca8d30$0100a8c0@custom> Message-ID: <020c01c38ade$b2d9b210$0100a8c0@custom> I believe I have discovered the problem. I suspect chip U657 on the metering board, seeing 500 ohm short between pins 5 & 6. I will be replacing the chip and see if this is the fix. I hate replacing chips, so hard to unsolder without messing up the board, I think I will cut out the existing chip and unsolder each pin individually. Thanks anyways, David -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of David Sent: Sat, Sep 20, 03 21:05 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL metering 100ZXL help - Having a slight problem with the meters. When there is a level between -10 and -5db, the level (both channels) is not displayed, but when the levels fall outside these values, then everything is fine. Even when the level is -3db, for example, then the section between -10 and -5 light up. it is only when the there are values between -10 and -5 that I have a problem. I have taken the meters out of the deck, checked al the solder connections on the components and swapped a few transistors. It seems that I may have a logic chip that is faulty, but do not know which one to check. I know that the meters work off a matrix scheme. Any help would be appreciated. David ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Sun Oct 5 09:33:57 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 17:33:57 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] TDK MA-EX Cassette Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D1B9@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Bleus. My guess would be that these are Japanese versions of the MA-XG, and if this is the case then these tapes would sound great! Tom. -----Original Message----- From: KJ Bleus [mailto:kjbleus at charter.net] Sent: Saturday, 4 October 2003 1:54 To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: KJ Bleus Subject: [naktalk] TDK MA-EX Cassette What do you cassette tape aficionados think about this version of TDK? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=3049687107 EX for EXtended bias? Is this a classic or a Japanese newbie offered in limited availability?? Regards, K.J. Bleus Madison, Wisc USA kjbleus at charter.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From maarten at loonmuziek.com Sun Oct 5 12:36:27 2003 From: maarten at loonmuziek.com (Maarten) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 12:36:27 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL metering Message-ID: <002a01c38b2c$8a497e40$58333950@arnhem.chello.nl> Dear David, There are copper strings, wound on a reel, for sale at your electronicsshop. You can use these to soak up the solder after wich you quite easely can remove the chip. The board will then still be reasonable. I hope for you that it is that chip that causes your problem. Maarten -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Oct 5 15:47:32 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 09:47:32 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL metering In-Reply-To: <020c01c38ade$b2d9b210$0100a8c0@custom> References: <020c01c38ade$b2d9b210$0100a8c0@custom> Message-ID: <3F8020F4.6090308@rcn.com> Removing ICs can be easy and quick. There is no need to destroy the IC or damage the board in the process. The key is having the right tools: soldering iron with the correct size tip, solder sucker and solder wick. The best iron for the job is temperature controlled (700F to 800F for most PCB work) with 1/16" chisel tip. The solder sucker is a small pump with a teflon nozzle, used to suck liquid solder from a solder pad. The wick is copper braid; when dipped into liquid solder, the solder seeps into the braid. Start with the solder sucker poised over an IC pin. Touch the soldering iron to the pin pad and as the solder liquefies, trigger the solder sucker. When done correctly, this removes most of the solder from that pad. Next, cover the pin pad with the end of the wick and touch top of the wick with the soldering iron to heat the pin through it. This sucks the rest of the solder from the pin pad into the wick. As you remove the soldering iron tip and the wick, move the pin inside the PCB hole, until the pad cools. This prevents the remaining solder from from bridging across the pin-pad connection and leaves the pin free. If you do each operation quickly, the heat will not harm the IC. Repeat the process for each pin. On double sided boards, you may have to repeat on the component side as well. When done, you just lift the IC from the board. -- Ron David wrote: > I believe I have discovered the problem. I suspect chip U657 on the > metering board, seeing 500 ohm short between pins 5 & 6. I will be > replacing the chip and see if this is the fix. I hate replacing chips, so > hard to unsolder without messing up the board, I think I will cut out the > existing chip and unsolder each pin individually. > > Thanks anyways, David > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of David > Sent: Sat, Sep 20, 03 21:05 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL metering > > > 100ZXL help - Having a slight problem with the meters. When there is a > level between -10 and -5db, the level (both channels) is not displayed, but > when the levels fall outside these values, then everything is fine. Even > when the level is -3db, for example, then the section between -10 and -5 > light up. it is only when the there are values between -10 and -5 that I > have a problem. I have taken the meters out of the deck, checked al the > solder connections on the components and swapped a few transistors. It > seems that I may have a logic chip that is faulty, but do not know which one > to check. I know that the meters work off a matrix scheme. Any help would > be appreciated. David From britri at comcast.net Sun Oct 5 19:01:17 2003 From: britri at comcast.net (Brian Stocker) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 10:01:17 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1 References: <54FB54534A396742B3126B152EFAF88817CFE1@usawvms07.opbu.xerox.com> Message-ID: <3F804E5D.50508@comcast.net> I have cd1, but not silver. The door simply slides up when in the open position. enjoy your silver cd1 Brian Dvorak, William K wrote: >I purchased the Cassette Deck 1 LTD that was on ebay. Does anybody know if it has a removable door to adjust the playback head? I know I can adjust the azimuth but I may need to adjust the head height for some very old voice recordings I want to digitize. My friend copied one of the tapes with his Dragon. The voice is much clearer than the same tape played on my JVC but the sound volume goes up and down. >Bill Dvorak >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From nevcooper at g3lmo.com Mon Oct 6 15:18:46 2003 From: nevcooper at g3lmo.com (Nev Cooper) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 14:18:46 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI - Cassette Deck 1.5 Message-ID: <000801c38c0c$65c34ca0$1311ff3e@nevpc> Hi.........I have recently become the owner of a black NAKAMICHI CD1 tape deck. Would appreciate any comments on quality of manufacture, sound reproduction (say in comparision with a B & O BeoCord 9000 or somethng similar). Where would I find the 1992 new price in £UK? What would be a fair resale price for this unit that has had very little use at all (stored for at least 5 years). All comments appreciated. Many thanks. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nevcooper at g3lmo.com Mon Oct 6 16:19:49 2003 From: nevcooper at g3lmo.com (Nev Cooper) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 15:19:49 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI - Cassette Deck 1.5 Message-ID: <000601c38c14$eae1b180$4c11ff3e@nevpc> Sorry guys.........SUBJECT line was correct. Cassette Deck 1.5......Not CD1 as in text. Regards Nev Cooper UK -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Tue Oct 7 11:04:14 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 11:04:14 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI - Cassette Deck 1.5 Message-ID: Hi Nev, Cassette Deck 1.5 is a fine three head Nakamichi cassette deck. It sports various important design features peculiar to Nakamichi, encompassing three discrete multi-laminated crystalloy heads, an assymetrical dual capstan transport, bias fine-tuning, auto tape slack take-up and very fine clear sounding electronics. I personally am very fond of the wide ranging green display. The casing is particularly resistant to scratches and scuffs. The only thing to watch out for is the Mitsubishi sourced capstan motors that, in the first year of production with the Cassette Deck One and Two were somewhat duff and gave out after a year or so. However, because the 1.5 came out later, I think this had been ironed out by then. It retailed for 450.00 UK Sterling in 1992 and was part of the Nakamichi Music Bank System (for remote control purposes). Regards, Marc The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From wheijke at xs4all.nl Wed Oct 8 16:51:40 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 16:51:40 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] quiet period? Message-ID: <7184.212.78.179.234.1065624700.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Hi All! Is it just quiet on the list or do people have problems posting to naktalk? The server receives loads of spam (which is being rejected) but maybe regular messages get rejected too? If you have problems mail me off-list please. AND, if you post you should post from the address you're subscribed with otherwise your posting will be rejected automatically. Thanks, Wouter From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Wed Oct 8 17:12:51 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 17:12:51 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Cassette Deck 1.5 vs Beocord (Nev Cooper) Message-ID: Howdy Nev, Sorry I didn't not answer your questions on comparisons between the Cassette Deck 1.5 and the Beocord 9000. To be frank I do not know that machine, but have heard of it. I have however heard a Beocord 5000 (or could have been 5500). It is a flat looking unit - quite elegant in the B+O lifestyle way and all I can remember is that it sounded quite competent and stable but did not make an especially strong impression on me. There have been decks other than Nakamichi, that I must confess have indeed impressed or surprised me. However, there may be others on this group who do have expereince of those esteemed Danish machines!! Anyone?? Regards, Marc The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From nickclarke at tiscali.co.uk Wed Oct 8 21:17:47 2003 From: nickclarke at tiscali.co.uk (Nick Clarke) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 20:17:47 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] BX 300E Message-ID: Hello everyone. I have just bought a Nakamichi BX 300E on e-bay. But the recordings sound very dull even on good quality tape (i.e. TDK SA). I have cleaned and de-magnatised the heads and have also tried altering the head azimuthal angle. All to no avail. The bias electronics seem to be OK in that there is an effect when altering the bias and tape type. I wondered if any of you had any suggestions. I'm hoping that the heads are not worn out. I have a Kenwood 5060S which is a budget deck compared with the BX 300E, but it sounds much more sparkling than my Nak. There must be something wrong... Any suggestions appreciated. Thanks, Nick From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr Thu Oct 9 12:34:09 2003 From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 13:34:09 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Cassette Deck 1.5 vs Beocord (Nev Cooper) / Non-Nak Decks References: Message-ID: <008801c38e50$e0749350$0e10a8c0@TG> Hi Everybody, I'm as the owner of ones of those legendary Nakamichi Machines, ZX9 and RX505, I also admit that not too many but some other brands also impressed me. Mainly I check the decks in one way ; recording quality. How good faithfull to the source and also very important, how STILL good at higher level recordings(+6 / 8 desibel)!!! When the matter is "higher level recodings" most recognized machines below listed (that I owned) fail with distortion!!! * Revox B215 / H1 / H11(Better results due to its head topology) * Pioneer ES series a bit better at higher levels * Teac V8030S (fails) * Denon 790R Studio Version (thanks to its XLR in-outputs better resulting) * Yamaha K-1020 / KX1200 (quite nice) The most surprising one amoungst all those has been NAD 6300 monitor series (built in Dynamic Equlizer circuit from Tandberg). Even at higher levels that circuit works very well. Results are very close to my Naks; isnt it surprising. That machine's new price was close 1000$. If you find one try it! Micro details in recordings with Nakamichi machines even higher desibels always astonishing, uncomparable to others, due to its discrete head technology (micron-wise manual/auto alignment) (pad lifter, board electronics, large capstains etc etc) Is there anyone there who might comment on other brands close or better than such Nak machines?? I'll be pleased to have your ideas as we might come accross one day to pick up one! Best to all NakTalkers T.Gunay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hugo" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 6:12 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Cassette Deck 1.5 vs Beocord (Nev Cooper) > Howdy Nev, > > Sorry I didn't not answer your questions on comparisons between the Cassette Deck 1.5 and the Beocord 9000. > > To be frank I do not know that machine, but have heard of it. I have however heard a Beocord 5000 (or could have been 5500). It is a flat looking unit - quite elegant in the B+O lifestyle way and all I can remember is that it sounded quite competent and stable but did not make an especially strong impression on me. There have been decks other than Nakamichi, that I must confess have indeed impressed or surprised me. > > However, there may be others on this group who do have expereince of those esteemed Danish machines!! > > Anyone?? > > Regards, > > Marc > > The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject > to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more > attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the > named recipient/s. > > If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose > or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. > If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to > this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. > > All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present > in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising > from the use of this email or attachments. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Oct 9 00:27:16 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 08:27:16 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] BX 300E Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D1CC@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Nick. Does the playback of pre-recorded tapes sound ok? Did you try to align the record head while you were recording? Don't do what I did with my BX300 when I got it 15 years ago and that is adjust the head height screw by mistake think that it was the azimuth screw. My method of alignment is do the playback head first and then do the record head while you are recording second. Let us know how you go. Another suggestion would be the bias knob adjustment. If these two suggestions fail then it might very well be an internal adjustment. Very rarely do the electronics of the bias circuitry go wrong in these units so it could be that someone else has played with the internal adjustments. Good luck Nick. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Nick Clarke [mailto:nickclarke at tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, 9 October 2003 5:18 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] BX 300E Hello everyone. I have just bought a Nakamichi BX 300E on e-bay. But the recordings sound very dull even on good quality tape (i.e. TDK SA). I have cleaned and de-magnatised the heads and have also tried altering the head azimuthal angle. All to no avail. The bias electronics seem to be OK in that there is an effect when altering the bias and tape type. I wondered if any of you had any suggestions. I'm hoping that the heads are not worn out. I have a Kenwood 5060S which is a budget deck compared with the BX 300E, but it sounds much more sparkling than my Nak. There must be something wrong... Any suggestions appreciated. Thanks, Nick ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Oct 9 15:22:03 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 09:22:03 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Cassette Deck 1.5 vs Beocord (Nev Cooper) / Non-Nak Decks In-Reply-To: <008801c38e50$e0749350$0e10a8c0@TG> References: <008801c38e50$e0749350$0e10a8c0@TG> Message-ID: <3F8560FB.4020904@rcn.com> Tayfur Gunay wrote: > Hi Everybody, > > I'm as the owner of ones of those legendary Nakamichi Machines, ZX9 and > RX505, I also admit that not too many but some other brands also impressed > me. > > Mainly I check the decks in one way ; recording quality. How good faithfull > to the source and also very important, how STILL good at higher level > recordings(+6 / 8 desibel)!!! When the matter is "higher level recodings" > most recognized machines below listed (that I owned) fail with distortion!!! > * Revox B215 / H1 / H11(Better results due to its head topology) > * Pioneer ES series a bit better at higher levels > * Teac V8030S (fails) > * Denon 790R Studio Version (thanks to its XLR in-outputs better resulting) > * Yamaha K-1020 / KX1200 (quite nice) > > The most surprising one amoungst all those has been NAD 6300 monitor series > (built in Dynamic Equlizer circuit from Tandberg). Even at higher levels > that circuit works very well. Results are very close to my Naks; isnt it > surprising. That machine's new price was close 1000$. If you find one try > it! > > Micro details in recordings with Nakamichi machines even higher desibels > always astonishing, uncomparable to others, due to its discrete head > technology (micron-wise manual/auto alignment) (pad lifter, board > electronics, large capstains etc etc) > > Is there anyone there who might comment on other brands close or better than > such Nak machines?? I'll be pleased to have your ideas as we might come > accross one day to pick up one! You might want to try the Tandberg TCD-3014A. I do not know how well it does with high recording levels, but its overall sound quality is excellent. -- Ron > Best to all NakTalkers > T.Gunay > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Hugo" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 6:12 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Cassette Deck 1.5 vs Beocord (Nev Cooper) > > > >>Howdy Nev, >> >>Sorry I didn't not answer your questions on comparisons between the > > Cassette Deck 1.5 and the Beocord 9000. > >>To be frank I do not know that machine, but have heard of it. I have > > however heard a Beocord 5000 (or could have been 5500). It is a flat > looking unit - quite elegant in the B+O lifestyle way and all I can remember > is that it sounded quite competent and stable but did not make an especially > strong impression on me. There have been decks other than Nakamichi, that I > must confess have indeed impressed or surprised me. > >>However, there may be others on this group who do have expereince of those > > esteemed Danish machines!! > >>Anyone?? >> >>Regards, >> >>Marc >> From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu Oct 9 19:57:36 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 19:57:36 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Vote for the best Non-Naks Message-ID: <3F85A190.455E59E3@xs4all.nl> Hi All, As i've mentioned before i'm very busy with the new website. It's gonna be a 100% change, more information on each Nak, comparison between Naks, compatability charts and more, more, more! To make this possible i'm setting up a more sophisticated database then the current inefficient/simple database. One nice thing is that Non-Nak products could be added and compared to Naks! For example i've added the DBX NX-40 in the database and it now shows up as a 'compatible' product next to the HighcComII and NR-200. This could also be done to other products from other brands so also Cassette Decks. Therefore i want to ask you all to produce a list of best Non-Naks so i can put them in the database and enable comparison of them to any Nak. If we have a list i also need as much information on them, features / specifications etc. So let's start! Wouter ps. The estimated date for the new site to go live is 1-1-2004. From gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com Thu Oct 9 21:19:14 2003 From: gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com (gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 14:19:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: BX 300E Message-ID: I have the same unit, except it's not an "E". Had nearly the same problems too. Sent the unit off to Stephen Sank at Champlain Valley Speaker Co. for basic cleaning and calibration. For $95 plus shipping I have a like new deck that sounds great! Call first (505)332-0336. Stephen's work is always highly recommended in this forum. Gary >>I have just bought a Nakamichi BX 300E on e-bay. But the recordings sound very dull even on good quality tape (i.e. TDK SA). I have cleaned and de-magnatised the heads and have also tried altering the head azimuthal angle. All to no avail. The bias electronics seem to be OK in that there is an effect when altering the bias and tape type. I wondered if any of you had any suggestions. I'm hoping that the heads are not worn out. I have a Kenwood 5060S which is a budget deck compared with the BX 300E, but it sounds much more sparkling than my Nak. There must be something wrong... Any suggestions appreciated. Thanks, Nick<< -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thank you, Matt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 9:22 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Cassette Deck 1.5 vs Beocord (Nev Cooper)/ Non-Nak Decks > Tayfur Gunay wrote: > > Hi Everybody, > > > > I'm as the owner of ones of those legendary Nakamichi Machines, ZX9 and > > RX505, I also admit that not too many but some other brands also impressed > > me. > > > > Mainly I check the decks in one way ; recording quality. How good faithfull > > to the source and also very important, how STILL good at higher level > > recordings(+6 / 8 desibel)!!! When the matter is "higher level recodings" > > most recognized machines below listed (that I owned) fail with distortion!!! > > * Revox B215 / H1 / H11(Better results due to its head topology) > > * Pioneer ES series a bit better at higher levels > > * Teac V8030S (fails) > > * Denon 790R Studio Version (thanks to its XLR in-outputs better resulting) > > * Yamaha K-1020 / KX1200 (quite nice) > > > > The most surprising one amoungst all those has been NAD 6300 monitor series > > (built in Dynamic Equlizer circuit from Tandberg). Even at higher levels > > that circuit works very well. Results are very close to my Naks; isnt it > > surprising. That machine's new price was close 1000$. If you find one try > > it! > > > > Micro details in recordings with Nakamichi machines even higher desibels > > always astonishing, uncomparable to others, due to its discrete head > > technology (micron-wise manual/auto alignment) (pad lifter, board > > electronics, large capstains etc etc) > > > > Is there anyone there who might comment on other brands close or better than > > such Nak machines?? I'll be pleased to have your ideas as we might come > > accross one day to pick up one! > > You might want to try the Tandberg TCD-3014A. I do > not know how well it does with high recording levels, > but its overall sound quality is excellent. > > -- Ron > > > Best to all NakTalkers > > T.Gunay > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mark Hugo" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 6:12 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Cassette Deck 1.5 vs Beocord (Nev Cooper) > > > > > > > >>Howdy Nev, > >> > >>Sorry I didn't not answer your questions on comparisons between the > > > > Cassette Deck 1.5 and the Beocord 9000. > > > >>To be frank I do not know that machine, but have heard of it. I have > > > > however heard a Beocord 5000 (or could have been 5500). It is a flat > > looking unit - quite elegant in the B+O lifestyle way and all I can remember > > is that it sounded quite competent and stable but did not make an especially > > strong impression on me. There have been decks other than Nakamichi, that I > > must confess have indeed impressed or surprised me. > > > >>However, there may be others on this group who do have expereince of those > > > > esteemed Danish machines!! > > > >>Anyone?? > >> > >>Regards, > >> > >>Marc > >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From fsamuel921 at hotmail.com Fri Oct 10 06:02:29 2003 From: fsamuel921 at hotmail.com (Anthony Samuel) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 23:02:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Vote for the best Non-Naks Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdvorak at mac.com Fri Oct 10 01:30:30 2003 From: billdvorak at mac.com (bill dvorak) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 16:30:30 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Rubber Cleaner, IPA or Windex Message-ID: <91ECF057-FAB0-11D7-88C7-003065B2A11C@mac.com> I am the new owner of a Cassette Deck 1 Limited listed on Ebay last month. I am using it for digitizing very old voice recordings. These old cassettes are flakey so I am having to clean the tape path very often. I have read on net that the 90% IPA I am using for the tape path and heads is not good for the pinch roller. One site recommends rubber cleaner and another recommends Windex. I also have an old bottle of non-slip fluid from Radio Shack. Thoughts anyone? Bill Dvorak From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Fri Oct 10 00:52:42 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 08:52:42 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon screech Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D1D3@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Kevin. Does the sound come out of the speakers or out of the unit itself. If it comes out of the speakers then you need to clean the heads, if it is coming out of the unit then it sounds like the cam gear needs a drop of oil (only a drop). Regards Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Kevin LePape [mailto:klepape at shaw.ca] Sent: Friday, 10 October 2003 4:57 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Dragon screech I have recently acquired a Dragon and all functions seem perfect with the exception of a fairly loud screech noise when using the stop button to terminate play in either direction as well as record. It does not make this noise if using the stop button to terminate FF or RR or when at the tape end. I tried different tapes including MA-XG's and the noise is consistent. Is this a characteristic of the direct drive or an indication of a malfunction? Do all Dragons do this? I also have a 660ZX and it does not make any unusual noises, smooth and quiet, so I am concerned about this. Thanks for any input and help, great list. An invaluable resource for Nakamichi users/lovers. Does anyone know of qualified service in western Canada? Kevin Kelowna, BC -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stan.targowski at comcast.net Fri Oct 10 15:25:36 2003 From: stan.targowski at comcast.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 08:25:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Vote for the best Non-Naks In-Reply-To: <3F85A190.455E59E3@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: Revox 215 Tandberg 3014A TEAC Z-7000, Z-6000, V-8030S LUXMAN K-05, 5K50M SONY TCK-7ES, TCK-777ES Pioneer CT-95 (aka T-1100 S), CT-A9X Aiwa ADF-990 JVC TD-V 1050 B&O 9000 AKAI GX-F95. Stan -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Wouter Heijke Sent: Thu, October 09, 2003 12:58 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Vote for the best Non-Naks Hi All, As i've mentioned before i'm very busy with the new website. It's gonna be a 100% change, more information on each Nak, comparison between Naks, compatability charts and more, more, more! To make this possible i'm setting up a more sophisticated database then the current inefficient/simple database. One nice thing is that Non-Nak products could be added and compared to Naks! For example i've added the DBX NX-40 in the database and it now shows up as a 'compatible' product next to the HighcComII and NR-200. This could also be done to other products from other brands so also Cassette Decks. Therefore i want to ask you all to produce a list of best Non-Naks so i can put them in the database and enable comparison of them to any Nak. If we have a list i also need as much information on them, features / specifications etc. So let's start! Wouter ps. The estimated date for the new site to go live is 1-1-2004. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Oct 10 16:49:53 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 16:49:53 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Vote for the best non-Naks Message-ID: On a potentially contentious vote such as this I guess we're looking for the ones that come up the most often to be accorded this status!! Aiwa F-990 (but F-660 and F-770 cut from same cloth and therefore excellent) Aiwa XK-S9000 Akai GX-8 and GX-95 II Ref JVC TD-1010TN and 1050TN ReVox B-215 Pioneer CT-91A, 93, 95 (T-1100) (I also like the CT-S740S, call me a phillistine) and CT-A9 (1983-4) Sony TC-K7ES, TCK-444ES TEAC V8000S, V6030S, V8030S Technics RS-B100 (early 80s version- twin box) NAD 6300 Monitor Yamaha KX-930, KX-1200 Alpage AL-90, and AL-85 Kenwood 9050S Cheers, Marc The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From alex at autoconsortium.com Fri Oct 10 16:40:09 2003 From: alex at autoconsortium.com (Alex Cagann) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:40:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] preamp problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I just moved into a new home and hooked my system up in a room. After everything was hooked up and the system turned on, I turned the dimmer switch down to the room lights. Well, the outlet my stereo was powered up by was hooked up to this dimmer switch too. What the hell? The stereo gets dim and starts crackling and such. I immediately unplug it and direct it to another outlet. Now, I have a problem. I had my Dragon connected to one of the preamps monitor outputs. The preamp is an older Adcom. Everthing seems to work as it did EXCEPT, now I have no output on the channel I had going to the Dragon. Nothing. It still has output to the front channel where the amps are hooked to, but not to this monitor out. How can low voltage do this to the system? It ruined something in the preamp...thank the lord the Dragon and RX505 are fine. Any ideas? Alex Cagann http://www.autoconsortium.com From ddino77 at earthlink.net Fri Oct 10 18:07:54 2003 From: ddino77 at earthlink.net (ddino77 at earthlink.net) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 12:07:54 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Vote for the best non-Naks Message-ID: <410-220031051016754189@M2W084.mail2web.com> technics RS-M95, RSB-965 Akai GXC-570 & GXC-570II Tascam 122MkII Studer (various) Sony (Elcassette) Original Message: ----------------- From: Mark Hugo Mhugo at sunint.co.za Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 16:49:53 +0200 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Vote for the best non-Naks On a potentially contentious vote such as this I guess we're looking for the ones that come up the most often to be accorded this status!! Aiwa F-990 (but F-660 and F-770 cut from same cloth and therefore excellent) Aiwa XK-S9000 Akai GX-8 and GX-95 II Ref JVC TD-1010TN and 1050TN ReVox B-215 Pioneer CT-91A, 93, 95 (T-1100) (I also like the CT-S740S, call me a phillistine) and CT-A9 (1983-4) Sony TC-K7ES, TCK-444ES TEAC V8000S, V6030S, V8030S Technics RS-B100 (early 80s version- twin box) NAD 6300 Monitor Yamaha KX-930, KX-1200 Alpage AL-90, and AL-85 Kenwood 9050S Cheers, Marc The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. 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From Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu Fri Oct 10 20:20:41 2003 From: Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu (Fred Lifton) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 18:20:41 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: favored non-naks Message-ID: <16654313@rosencrantz.reed.edu> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 665 bytes Desc: not available URL: From lists at richardhess.com Fri Oct 10 17:16:56 2003 From: lists at richardhess.com (Richard L. Hess) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 08:16:56 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Vote for the best non-Naks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20031010081216.038036d8@127.0.0.1> At 04:49 PM 10/10/2003 +0200, you wrote: >Kenwood 9050S I was amazed "stumbling" into a Kenwood KX-W8030 years ago. It has made phenomenal recordings for me over the years that have impressed most who have heard them. The Dragons play back MUCH better, however this is still a great record machine with fast auto bias. I also have gotten good field recordings over the years with a Sony TCD-5M. I think in many ways (except size and weight) is the equal to the Nak 550 that it replaced. It has been functionally replaced with a Sony D8 DAT walkman that sounds even better. I have heard that the Sony TCD-6 (or whatever) the smaller walkman-styled recorder may be better. Cheers, Richard From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Oct 10 17:08:37 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 11:08:37 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon Question In-Reply-To: <004501c38e8f$158f0d70$2adc6799@nat67369> References: <008801c38e50$e0749350$0e10a8c0@TG> <3F8560FB.4020904@rcn.com> <004501c38e8f$158f0d70$2adc6799@nat67369> Message-ID: <3F86CB75.2070201@rcn.com> My first suspicion would be a tape traveling problem. Stephen may probably be able to come up with the most common problems encountered specifically on the Dragon. In general, loading a tape traveling check cassette and observing the tape behavior as it plays provides a clue. A long time ago, a member of this email list published an article, complete with pictures, on how to construct a tape traveling check cassette. It consisted of cutting a window over the head and capstan locations of a blank cassette. At the time, I made one up and have found it useful on several occasions since. -- Ron Matthew Whipple wrote: > I've been having a slight problem with my Dragon lately. Sometimes, when > playing back a tape the left channel is not always at full volume. If I > stop and/or shut off the deck and play the tape again, the problem usually > corrects itself. Does anyone have any ideas on what might be causing this? > > Thank you, > Matt > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 9:22 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Cassette Deck 1.5 vs Beocord (Nev Cooper)/ > Non-Nak Decks > > > >>Tayfur Gunay wrote: >> >>>Hi Everybody, >>> >>>I'm as the owner of ones of those legendary Nakamichi Machines, ZX9 and >>>RX505, I also admit that not too many but some other brands also > > impressed > >>>me. >>> >>>Mainly I check the decks in one way ; recording quality. How good > > faithfull > >>>to the source and also very important, how STILL good at higher level >>>recordings(+6 / 8 desibel)!!! When the matter is "higher level > > recodings" > >>>most recognized machines below listed (that I owned) fail with > > distortion!!! > >>>* Revox B215 / H1 / H11(Better results due to its head topology) >>>* Pioneer ES series a bit better at higher levels >>>* Teac V8030S (fails) >>>* Denon 790R Studio Version (thanks to its XLR in-outputs better > > resulting) > >>>* Yamaha K-1020 / KX1200 (quite nice) >>> >>>The most surprising one amoungst all those has been NAD 6300 monitor > > series > >>>(built in Dynamic Equlizer circuit from Tandberg). Even at higher levels >>>that circuit works very well. Results are very close to my Naks; isnt it >>>surprising. That machine's new price was close 1000$. If you find one > > try > >>>it! >>> >>>Micro details in recordings with Nakamichi machines even higher desibels >>>always astonishing, uncomparable to others, due to its discrete head >>>technology (micron-wise manual/auto alignment) (pad lifter, board >>>electronics, large capstains etc etc) >>> >>>Is there anyone there who might comment on other brands close or better > > than > >>>such Nak machines?? I'll be pleased to have your ideas as we might come >>>accross one day to pick up one! >> >>You might want to try the Tandberg TCD-3014A. I do >>not know how well it does with high recording levels, >>but its overall sound quality is excellent. >> >>-- Ron >> >> >>>Best to all NakTalkers >>>T.Gunay >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Mark Hugo" >>>To: >>>Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 6:12 PM >>>Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Cassette Deck 1.5 vs Beocord (Nev Cooper) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Howdy Nev, >>>> >>>>Sorry I didn't not answer your questions on comparisons between the >>> >>>Cassette Deck 1.5 and the Beocord 9000. >>> >>> >>>>To be frank I do not know that machine, but have heard of it. I have >>> >>>however heard a Beocord 5000 (or could have been 5500). It is a flat >>>looking unit - quite elegant in the B+O lifestyle way and all I can > > remember > >>>is that it sounded quite competent and stable but did not make an > > especially > >>>strong impression on me. There have been decks other than Nakamichi, > > that I > >>>must confess have indeed impressed or surprised me. >>> >>> >>>>However, there may be others on this group who do have expereince of > those > >>>esteemed Danish machines!! >>> >>> >>>>Anyone?? >>>> >>>>Regards, >>>> >>>>Marc From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Oct 10 17:20:02 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 11:20:02 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon screech In-Reply-To: <000701c38e97$1de6b290$f3d84618@kevinoffice> References: <000701c38e97$1de6b290$f3d84618@kevinoffice> Message-ID: <3F86CE22.3090202@rcn.com> Kevin LePape wrote: > I have recently acquired a Dragon and all functions seem perfect with the > exception of a fairly loud screech noise when using the stop button to > terminate play in either direction as well as record. It does not make this > noise if using the stop button to terminate FF or RR or when at the tape > end. I tried different tapes including MA-XG's and the noise is consistent. > Is this a characteristic of the direct drive or an indication of a > malfunction? Do all Dragons do this? I also have a 660ZX and it does not > make any unusual noises, smooth and quiet, so I am concerned about this. > > Thanks for any input and help, great list. An invaluable resource for > Nakamichi users/lovers. Does anyone know of qualified service in western > Canada? > > > > Kevin > > Kelowna, BC I do not own a Dragon, but no, this is not normal. I assume the noise comes from the cassette well area? If so, it is likely generated by either the brake or the control cam. It is also likely that it can be corrected by routine cleaning and/or lubrication. If the deck has not received routine service in a long time, it is likely it will benefit from one for other reasons, as well. -- Ron From stan.targowski at comcast.net Fri Oct 10 19:27:46 2003 From: stan.targowski at comcast.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 12:27:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Vote for the best non-Naks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mark - the twin box Technics was RS-9900 (or something like that ...) RS-B100 is also a great machine, but single box, circa 1983 ... Stan -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Mark Hugo Sent: Fri, October 10, 2003 9:50 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Vote for the best non-Naks On a potentially contentious vote such as this I guess we're looking for the ones that come up the most often to be accorded this status!! Aiwa F-990 (but F-660 and F-770 cut from same cloth and therefore excellent) Aiwa XK-S9000 Akai GX-8 and GX-95 II Ref JVC TD-1010TN and 1050TN ReVox B-215 Pioneer CT-91A, 93, 95 (T-1100) (I also like the CT-S740S, call me a phillistine) and CT-A9 (1983-4) Sony TC-K7ES, TCK-444ES TEAC V8000S, V6030S, V8030S Technics RS-B100 (early 80s version- twin box) NAD 6300 Monitor Yamaha KX-930, KX-1200 Alpage AL-90, and AL-85 Kenwood 9050S Cheers, Marc The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Oct 10 21:31:33 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 20:31:33 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Vote for the best non-Naks In-Reply-To: <410-220031051016754189@M2W084.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <000801c38f65$1cf51b00$579d4c51@oemcomputer> Mark said: > Pioneer CT-91A, 93, 95 (T-1100) (I also like the CT-S740S, call me a > phillistine) and CT-A9 (1983-4) As an owner of the CT-S740S's big brother, the CT-S870S, I can understand why you like that deck! I bought a CR7 to "replace" it, but the CR7 cannot wring out the best of an old, faded recording like the Pioneer. And the Dolby S on those machines is a dream with a good metal cassette - virtually indistinguishable from the source when recording CDs. But it's HX Pro lets it down, I think ... Gra' > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.522 / Virus Database: 320 - Release Date: 29/09/03 From johnsog2 at ocps.k12.fl.us Fri Oct 10 21:17:26 2003 From: johnsog2 at ocps.k12.fl.us (Johnson, Gary) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 15:17:26 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Prices Message-ID: <7D27F1A9BFDCAC429A19F86F8CE60F7B4881B0@aelmail02.ocps.k12.fl.us> Hello All, What would be an average price for a working Dragon. I'm looking at a few on some of the online auctions and classified ads but the prices vary. A few small scatches or scuffs are acceptable but one in working order prefered. There used to be a list that Jens would compile but I haven't seen one recently. Regards, Gary Johnson --- The information contained in this e-mail message is intended solely for the recipient(s) and may contain privileged information. Tampering with or altering the contents of this message is prohibited. This information is the same as any written document and may be subject to all rules governing public information according to Florida Statutes. Any message that falls under Chapter 119 shall not be altered in a manner that misrepresents the activities of Orange County Public Schools. [References: Florida State Constitution I.24, Florida State Statutes Chapter 119, and OCPS Management Directive A-9.] If you have received this message in error, or are not the named recipient notify the sender and delete this message from your computer. From khmerideth at anderson.edu Fri Oct 10 21:31:18 2003 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:31:18 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon screech Message-ID: Kevin, Had this problem with my Dragon and 680ZX. It was the cam drive gear (0C08186A). Used Radio Shack precision lubricator, with Teflon, part #64-2301A. Because my aim is pretty poor, I added a length of very small diameter heat shrink tubing to the tip of the oiler. Be sure to only apply a drop of oil to each of the two points where the shaft goes through the gear. Exercise the mechanism by going from "stop", to "record", to "stop", etc. for about 10-12 times. Think the squeal disappeared at about the 6th or 7th time for my decks. Since treating both decks almost 3 years ago, the squeal has not returned. Am including an attachment of the Nakamichi Service Information page (NR-0040). If it does not get passed by Wouter's server all will not be lost, as I will be sending a "CC" to Wouter's e-mail address. Hope this helps. Kent Merideth >>> klepape at shaw.ca 10/09/03 01:56PM >>> I have recently acquired a Dragon and all functions seem perfect with the exception of a fairly loud screech noise when using the stop button to terminate play in either direction as well as record. It does not make this noise if using the stop button to terminate FF or RR or when at the tape end. I tried different tapes including MA-XG's and the noise is consistent. Is this a characteristic of the direct drive or an indication of a malfunction? Do all Dragons do this? I also have a 660ZX and it does not make any unusual noises, smooth and quiet, so I am concerned about this. Thanks for any input and help, great list. An invaluable resource for Nakamichi users/lovers. Does anyone know of qualified service in western Canada? 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Cheers, Michael From enoyes at snet.net Sat Oct 11 04:53:39 2003 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 22:53:39 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Vote for the best non-Naks References: <005301c38f6d$426924a0$8af4c1cf@jnorris.ttu.edu> Message-ID: <3F8770B3.3000609@snet.net> I would have to throw my hat to the Sony D5 and WM-D6 as they both could come quite close to the Nakamichi (I have heard some claims that the D6 actually incorporated the Nak eq standard). Beyond that, these decks could offer something that no Nak could... absolute portability with sizes that made even a Nak 350 look giant. For home decks there's the obvious choices, but I'd also toss in the old Aiwa AD-6900III which was first gen metal capable and featured two sets of meters via having two sets of needles for each meter. One needle would show peak level while the other would be close to true vu. You could have either or selected and I have to say that it was truly a sight to see this system in action... very informative too. Meters aside, the deck had full calibration facilities for all tape types and could boast some excellent specs which proved to be easily met. Oh, it was also drop dead gorgeous and built like a brick. Ed From fidelman at telcel.net.ve Sat Oct 11 06:53:12 2003 From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 00:53:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Vote for the best non-Naks References: <005301c38f6d$426924a0$8af4c1cf@jnorris.ttu.edu> <3F8770B3.3000609@snet.net> Message-ID: <009201c38fb3$96e69e40$b96423c8@g8nsv> Right now I don't have no Nak cassette decks at home except for a Technics Double Cassette Deck RS-TR777 which is not a bad one. I remember an Aiwa F-990 which was really great at playback and some of the tapes I recorded with it sound great when I play them in any of my Naks. Isy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Noyes" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 10:53 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Vote for the best non-Naks > I would have to throw my hat to the Sony D5 and WM-D6 as they both could > come quite close to the Nakamichi (I have heard some claims that the D6 > actually incorporated the Nak eq standard). Beyond that, these decks > could offer something that no Nak could... absolute portability with > sizes that made even a Nak 350 look giant. > > For home decks there's the obvious choices, but I'd also toss in the old > Aiwa AD-6900III which was first gen metal capable and featured two sets > of meters via having two sets of needles for each meter. One needle > would show peak level while the other would be close to true vu. You > could have either or selected and I have to say that it was truly a > sight to see this system in action... very informative too. Meters > aside, the deck had full calibration facilities for all tape types and > could boast some excellent specs which proved to be easily met. Oh, it > was also drop dead gorgeous and built like a brick. > > Ed > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From lists at richardhess.com Sat Oct 11 05:29:21 2003 From: lists at richardhess.com (Richard L. Hess) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 20:29:21 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Vote for the best non-Naks In-Reply-To: <3F8770B3.3000609@snet.net> References: <005301c38f6d$426924a0$8af4c1cf@jnorris.ttu.edu> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20031010202808.04c0bd08@127.0.0.1> At 10:53 PM 10/10/2003 -0400, Ed Noyes wrote: >I would have to throw my hat to the Sony D5 and WM-D6 That's the one! I don't have the D6 but do have the TCD5M. I have been told by at least one person whose ears I trust that the WM-D6 is superior to the D5. Cheers, Richard From ti at amb.org Sat Oct 11 07:31:07 2003 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 22:31:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Vote for the best non-Naks In-Reply-To: <009201c38fb3$96e69e40$b96423c8@g8nsv> from "Isy Fidelman" at Oct 11, 2003 12:53:12 AM Message-ID: <200310110531.FAA16707@amb.org> I have a Pioneer CT-F1250 that I am quite fond of. It doesn't quite sound like a Nak, but does boast very respectable specs, is built solid like a tank, and loaded with features: 3-head, quartz lock direct drive, dual capstans, full logic controls, auto slack take-up, pitch control, supports all tape types (Std, CrO2, Metal, even Fe-Cr). It has a full tape calibration system for bias, level and EQ with three test tones, real time comparators and LED indicators, blue flourescent level meters that can display in peak, peak hold, and average modes, 4 digit counter, the list goes on and on. It has Dolby B and switchable MPX filter, but no Dolby C (this deck debuted in 1979, just before Dolby C came on scene). What I really like about this deck is that the front panel design is very user-friendly, and looks good too. There is no cassette "door" like a traditional deck, only a flip-down cover that protects the heads. The cassette is fully exposed when loaded, and you have an unimpeded view of the tape label and the tape spools in motion. This is the last of the "silver front panel" generation of the Pioneer components. The subsequent Pioneers departed drastically from that design and went to much cheaper plastic construction. I think the CT-F1250 represented the high point of Pioneer's cassette deck history. No other deck they built before or after it had quite the same flair. -Ti My cassette decks: Nakamichi Dragon Pioneer CT-F1250 Kenwood KX-660HX -- /// Ti Kan Vorsprung durch Technik /// AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA /// ti at amb.org ////// http://www.amb.org/ti/ /// From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Sun Oct 12 10:02:43 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 10:02:43 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Vote for the best non-Naks: Pioeer CT- 1250: Ti Message-ID: That was a very interesting post, Ti, I have frequently "stopped and looked" at CT-1250 units being sold on e-bay and often wondered how they sound. They look wonderful though. I would like one just to look at!! Are they serviceable, parts wise? How do you normally use yours? i.e. Recording what sort of music and what tapes do you find a most rewarding match. Is the calibration system effective and do you use the Dolby B NR much. Would like to know more about this handsome "brute" of a machine!! Cheers, Marc The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From maarten at loonmuziek.com Sun Oct 12 01:25:56 2003 From: maarten at loonmuziek.com (Maarten) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 01:25:56 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon Question Message-ID: <007101c3904f$067bd220$58333950@arnhem.chello.nl> Dear Ron, Adding a little mirror in that window in a 45 degree's angle above the tape (as I've done in my testcassette a long time ago..) makes observing the tape from above even more precise. Regards, Maarten -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But the recordings sound very dull even on good quality tape (i.e. TDK SA). I have cleaned and de-magnatised the heads and have also tried altering the head azimuthal angle. All to no avail. The bias electronics seem to be OK in that there is an effect when altering the bias and tape type. I wondered if any of you had any suggestions. I'm hoping that the heads are not worn out. I have a Kenwood 5060S which is a budget deck compared with the BX 300E, but it sounds much more sparkling than my Nak. There must be something wrong... Any suggestions appreciated. Thanks, Nick<< -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nickclarke at tiscali.co.uk Sat Oct 11 15:02:43 2003 From: nickclarke at tiscali.co.uk (Nick Clarke) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 14:02:43 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] BX 300E In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D1CC@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos Sent: 08 October 2003 23:27 To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX 300E Thanks for this Tom. Tapes pre-recorded on other machines sound OK; the problem occurs when making recordings on the deck. It seems that the record and playback heads are not in alignment. You were right: I was adjusting the wrong screw! There is a screw which is accessible only when the cassette is removed. Adjustment of this has made a big difference, in that the high frequencies are beginning to return although I'm still not sure that the alignment is as it should be. I may get the deck serviced since I'm not overconfident in my own abilities: the head block is different from any other cassette design I've ever seen. Regards, Nick Hi Nick. Does the playback of pre-recorded tapes sound ok? Did you try to align the record head while you were recording? Don't do what I did with my BX300 when I got it 15 years ago and that is adjust the head height screw by mistake think that it was the azimuth screw. My method of alignment is do the playback head first and then do the record head while you are recording second. Let us know how you go. Another suggestion would be the bias knob adjustment. If these two suggestions fail then it might very well be an internal adjustment. Very rarely do the electronics of the bias circuitry go wrong in these units so it could be that someone else has played with the internal adjustments. Good luck Nick. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Nick Clarke [mailto:nickclarke at tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, 9 October 2003 5:18 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] BX 300E Hello everyone. I have just bought a Nakamichi BX 300E on e-bay. But the recordings sound very dull even on good quality tape (i.e. TDK SA). I have cleaned and de-magnatised the heads and have also tried altering the head azimuthal angle. All to no avail. The bias electronics seem to be OK in that there is an effect when altering the bias and tape type. I wondered if any of you had any suggestions. I'm hoping that the heads are not worn out. I have a Kenwood 5060S which is a budget deck compared with the BX 300E, but it sounds much more sparkling than my Nak. There must be something wrong... Any suggestions appreciated. Thanks, Nick ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Oct 11 15:36:59 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 09:36:59 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] preamp problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F88077B.7030108@rcn.com> Alex Cagann wrote: > I just moved into a new home and hooked my system up in a room. After > everything was hooked up and the system turned on, I turned the dimmer > switch down to the room lights. Well, the outlet my stereo was powered up by > was hooked up to this dimmer switch too. What the hell? The stereo gets dim > and starts crackling and such. I immediately unplug it and direct it to > another outlet. Now, I have a problem. I had my Dragon connected to one of > the preamps monitor outputs. The preamp is an older Adcom. Everthing seems > to work as it did EXCEPT, now I have no output on the channel I had going to > the Dragon. Nothing. It still has output to the front channel where the amps > are hooked to, but not to this monitor out. How can low voltage do this to > the system? It ruined something in the preamp...thank the lord the Dragon > and RX505 are fine. Any ideas? > > Alex Cagann > http://www.autoconsortium.com Most dimmers do not simply lower the voltage. They chop the input voltage so that the *average* is lower. When doing so, it is quite possible for them to generate fairly high voltage spikes. Normally, this should not damage anything, because the component power supply tends to filter out such spikes. However, lower cost components could skimp on protection and some power transformers can even exacerbate it. So, it is possible that some spikes went through your preamp power supply and blew a driver device. I am not saying this is necessarily what happened, but it's possible. If you are convinced that the output is really dead (try to connect the amps to it and the Dragon to the other output), then the preamp should be diagnosed on the bench. Possibly, supply lines to the output devices (or the devices themselves) could be blown. -- Ron From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sun Oct 12 13:26:20 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 13:26:20 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Vote for the best non-Naks: Pioeer CT- 1250: Ti References: Message-ID: <3F893A5B.2F8DCAB0@xs4all.nl> I must also say Ti that you made me enthousiastic about this one too, i don't get thrilled that easy by Non-Naks but this one sure is something! It's in the database already for test-purposes! How does it compare to the CT-900? I saw that one also mentioned somewhere.. Wouter Mark Hugo wrote: > That was a very interesting post, Ti, > > I have frequently "stopped and looked" at CT-1250 units being sold on e-bay and often wondered how they sound. They look wonderful though. I would like one just to look at!! Are they serviceable, parts wise? How do you normally use yours? i.e. Recording what sort of music and what tapes do you find a most rewarding match. Is the calibration system effective and do you use the Dolby B NR much. Would like to know more about this handsome "brute" of a machine!! > > Cheers, > > Marc > > The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject > to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more > attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the > named recipient/s. > > If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose > or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. > If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to > this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. > > All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present > in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising > from the use of this email or attachments. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ti at amb.org Sun Oct 12 12:10:21 2003 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 03:10:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Vote for the best non-Naks: Pioeer CT- 1250: Ti In-Reply-To: from "Mark Hugo" at Oct 12, 2003 10:02:43 AM Message-ID: <200310121010.KAA29848@amb.org> Mark Hugo writes: > [ Pioneer CT-F1250 ] > I have frequently "stopped and looked" at CT-1250 units being sold on > e-bay and often wondered how they sound. They look wonderful though. I > would like one just to look at!! Are they serviceable, parts wise? How > do you normally use yours? i.e. Recording what sort of music and what > tapes do you find a most rewarding match. Is the calibration system > effective and do you use the Dolby B NR much. Would like to know more > about this handsome "brute" of a machine!! The most frequent problem (due to age now) is the need for belt replacement and the need to renew the idler tire. These are not unusual for decks that are now over 20 years old. There are three belts: - The take-up capstan is direct drive, but the supply capstan is belt driven from the take-up side via a flat belt. - The reel motor belt. - The electronic counter belt. Like most decks of any complexity replacement of these items require partial disassembly of the transport mechanism. The Pioneer's is not anywhere as complicated looking as, for example, the Nak Dragon. Replacement belts and idlers tires are available, as is the factory service manual (ebay). I have had absolutely no malfunctions with the electronics. What mine needs is a bit of adjustment (azimuth, and a couple of other things), so I haven't used it in a while. I just haven't found the time to really do this. This deck was my main deck through my late high school and college days, and has seen a lot of use. The heads and capstans show absolutely no wear, very impressive. I've used it to record all types of music and I don't think any one genre works better than another on this deck. I had good luck with most tape types, but I tend to favor TDK SA-X and MA-X. It doesn't have that warm, liquid sound of the Nakamichis, but then not many other decks do, either. The calibration system is good, but I think the bias adjustment knob has a bit too much range, so that it's pretty sensitive. A small turn makes a big change. The Dolby B NR is unremarkable in that it works like it does on most decks. I wish it had Dolby C, though. The Dolby C encoded tapes recorded on my Kenwood and Nak decks sound bad when decoded with Dolby B. The tape monitor switch, when set in the 'tape' position during recording, has a small amount of feedthrough from the source side, so that you hear just a little "pre-echo" if you're listening carefully with headphones. This is a small annoying flaw. I really like the fluorescent level meters. It has a wide range, is very easy to read and the peak/peak hold/average modes works just peachy. The deck can do "punch-in" recording so that you can go from play to record without stopping. It also has a rec-mute button, which is very convenient. The pitch control is only usable during play, but is nice when you play tapes recorded on other decks that are off-speed. When you turn the control away from the center detent, the quartz lock light goes off and you can vary the speed +-6%. During record, the speed remains quartz locked regardless of the control position. Other features including mic inputs with separate level controls, memory stop/play/repeat and timer functions. This CT-F1250 uses a siamesed record and playback head, of "uni-crystal ferrite". The erase head engages through the small cassette window, and the two remaining windows are for the pinch rollers. The capstans are also of slightly differing diameters to maintain tape tension across the heads, and to reduce resonance. Aside from the non-discrete play and rec heads, these are all very Nak-like. The capstans run all the time when the power is on, but I have not had any problem with it after all these years. The transport logic is all driven by heavy duty solenoids, but they engage with a "thunk" instead of the smooth silent manner of the Naks. This is a substantial unit. Quite heavy, and has a lot of metal. It's indeed very impressive to look at, especially because I have the optional rack mount handles. I had thought about selling mine after acquiring the Dragon, but I have a hard time parting with it. It's still a *very* nice deck. They don't build them like that any more. -Ti -- /// Ti Kan Vorsprung durch Technik /// AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA /// ti at amb.org ////// http://www.amb.org/ti/ /// From fsamuel921 at hotmail.com Mon Oct 13 01:58:24 2003 From: fsamuel921 at hotmail.com (Anthony Samuel) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 18:58:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi ZX-c90 tapes Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stan.targowski at comcast.net Mon Oct 13 00:37:02 2003 From: stan.targowski at comcast.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 17:37:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Vote for the best non-Naks: Pioeer CT- 1250: Ti In-Reply-To: <3F893A5B.2F8DCAB0@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: CT-900 was part of the older line with the analog VU meters (and CT-F1000 being top of the line.) CT-F650/750/850/950/1250 is a little newer line. The key difference is the metal tape capability, digital meters, solenoid controls on most. When compared to lesser models, CTF-1250 has full calibration function (Level, Bias, and Eq - i.e., three test tones.) Similar to CT-F1000 is built like a tank. It also has Quartz-locked drive system - 2 motors, dual capstains, etc. I do have one in my collection. It needs some attention, i.e., great cosmetic shape, great mechanical shape, but calibration way off, head alignment problems, etc. I love to watch the tape play on the unit. First, you can see the entire cassette, the other, the cool blue meters. One thing I have to admit, there is a signal degradation, when switching between the monitor position on the deck, and direct signal from the source - which suggests to me Pioneer electronics circa 1979 not quite in the same league as my CR-4 or even 10 years newer JVC TD-V66. Being on the topic, CT-F1250 appears to be a commercial version of Pioneer CT-A1 - a pretty rare deck which in 1979/1980 cost in Japan more than ZX-7 and the same as ZX-9. Which is interesting for a 2 motor deck with FR 20-16/18/19Khz +/- 3db for (Type I/II,III/IV tapes). Stan -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Wouter Heijke Sent: Sun, October 12, 2003 6:26 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Vote for the best non-Naks: Pioeer CT- 1250: Ti I must also say Ti that you made me enthousiastic about this one too, i don't get thrilled that easy by Non-Naks but this one sure is something! It's in the database already for test-purposes! How does it compare to the CT-900? I saw that one also mentioned somewhere.. Wouter Mark Hugo wrote: > That was a very interesting post, Ti, > > I have frequently "stopped and looked" at CT-1250 units being sold on e-bay and often wondered how they sound. They look wonderful though. I would like one just to look at!! Are they serviceable, parts wise? How do you normally use yours? i.e. Recording what sort of music and what tapes do you find a most rewarding match. Is the calibration system effective and do you use the Dolby B NR much. Would like to know more about this handsome "brute" of a machine!! > > Cheers, > > Marc > > The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject > to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more > attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the > named recipient/s. > > If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose > or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. > If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to > this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. > > All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present > in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising > from the use of this email or attachments. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ti at amb.org Sun Oct 12 21:30:19 2003 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 12:30:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Vote for the best non-Naks: Pioeer CT- 1250: Ti In-Reply-To: <3F893A5B.2F8DCAB0@xs4all.nl> from "Wouter Heijke" at Oct 12, 2003 01:26:20 PM Message-ID: <200310121930.TAA07144@amb.org> Wouter Heijke writes: > [ Pioneer CT-F1250 ] > I must also say Ti that you made me enthousiastic about this one too, i don't get > thrilled that easy by Non-Naks but this one sure is something! > It's in the database already for test-purposes! > How does it compare to the CT-900? I saw that one also mentioned somewhere.. The CT-F900 was one of the first Pioneers to have the blue fluorescent level meter and was only available for one year, after which it was replaced by the CT-F950. These are good decks, basically somewhat stripped down versions of the CT-F1250, without the more advanced features like the bias/level/EQ calibration system. The transport on the CT-F9x0 decks are very similar to that of the CT-F1250. Check this page for a history of the 1970s Pioneer decks: http://www.silverpioneer.com/cassette_decks.htm -Ti -- /// Ti Kan Vorsprung durch Technik /// AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA /// ti at amb.org ////// http://www.amb.org/ti/ /// From mircen at kbnet.com.mk Mon Oct 13 10:22:34 2003 From: mircen at kbnet.com.mk (Mirce Nesovski) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:22:34 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Vote for the best non-Naks Message-ID: <001401c39163$28582140$a13364c7@mircen> Here is my list: 1. YAMAHA KX-690 (1997; 3H,3M,Dual Capstan,Auto/Man BIAS,...) 2. PIONEER CT-9R (1982; 3H, 3M DD, Auto-reverse, Auto BIAS, ...) 3. MARANTZ 5030 (1977; Vintage, 3H) Regards, MirceN From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr Mon Oct 13 16:12:36 2003 From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 17:12:36 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Re: favored non-naks References: <16654313@rosencrantz.reed.edu> Message-ID: <022c01c39194$107b4fd0$1210a8c0@TG> Hi Folks, For those who are like us, for sure, would like to see the following website where you can find best decks ever made. This site will also be helpful in picture-wise or such to Mark for the Non-Nak site, and the voters as well. http://k-nisi.hp.infoseek.co.jp/deck.htm http://k-nisi.hp.infoseek.co.jp/deck2.htm Will you please join me to applaud the founder of this site. Best to all. Tayfur -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Best regards, and keep on digging, István ----- Original Message ----- From: Tayfur Gunay To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 4:12 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: favored non-naks Hi Folks, For those who are like us, for sure, would like to see the following website where you can find best decks ever made. This site will also be helpful in picture-wise or such to Mark for the Non-Nak site, and the voters as well. http://k-nisi.hp.infoseek.co.jp/deck.htm http://k-nisi.hp.infoseek.co.jp/deck2.htm Will you please join me to applaud the founder of this site. Best to all. Tayfur ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Tue Oct 14 13:48:06 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:48:06 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] Non-Naks! Message-ID: <25197.212.78.179.234.1066132086.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Thanks to those who responded to my mail. I got quite enthousiastic about the newly found decks that i've decided to start a spin-off site dedicated to all (obscure) cassette decks of the same caliber as our Naks! I'll keep you all posted. Wouter From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr Tue Oct 14 16:16:13 2003 From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 17:16:13 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Re: favored non-naks References: <16654313@rosencrantz.reed.edu> <022c01c39194$107b4fd0$1210a8c0@TG> Message-ID: <01f401c3925d$bea2a5d0$1210a8c0@TG> Hi Istvan, I just came accross that site while surfing. Well, can not speak Japanese and I do the same; close any pop-up Jap windows:)) Machines on that site really reflect best era of the cass.decks, and for those who need English translation (almost 80% accurate) they can use "Altavistas Babel Fish Translation Program" (http://babelfish.altavista.com/) Japs have always been main target for many brands due to huge population/consumption; but I also do not know why they put different names on exactly the same products in Europe/Americas! Most of us do remember those times when many brands were in a real competiton, and, many of those Non-Nak products deserve appreciation, let us be fair. For instance, I have never seen such a complicated machine, in electronics-wise in Luxman K-05; all parts inside my ZX-9 just the half of it!!! Unfortunattely I have never had the chance to operate this valuable machine due to some severe problems on some boards.Well, this is the another fact that we all Nak fans are still somehow able to find those parts one way or another I support Wouter for the coming non-Nak site. Best to you and all NakTalkers..... Tayfur Gunay ----- Original Message ----- From: Sándor István To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: favored non-naks Hi Tayfur, it is a very nice collection to look at! How did you find it? Do you speak Japanese??? Very interesting the names of particular machines, like Victor (JVC, I suppose), and A&D (or something like that, probably Akai). It is always a riddle for me why Japaneese companies change the names of their product in Japan, compared to the free-market products. I already experienced the same with motorbikes also... Best regards, and keep on digging, István ----- Original Message ----- From: Tayfur Gunay To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 4:12 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: favored non-naks Hi Folks, For those who are like us, for sure, would like to see the following website where you can find best decks ever made. This site will also be helpful in picture-wise or such to Mark for the Non-Nak site, and the voters as well. http://k-nisi.hp.infoseek.co.jp/deck.htm http://k-nisi.hp.infoseek.co.jp/deck2.htm Will you please join me to applaud the founder of this site. Best to all. 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URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Oct 14 17:29:39 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:29:39 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi ZX-c90 tapes In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D1E4@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D1E4@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <3F8C1663.6000109@rcn.com> I think you guys are missing the point. Price of the tapes derives from their scarcity, not from some intrinsic value. Think of a Picasso painting -- is it *really* worth 5 million bucks? OTOH, there is this famous saying about those that are born every minute... -- Ron Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > I agree, that is crazy. It's nice to see that it comes with the original > box, that's probably very expensive cardboard :) > > Tom. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Anthony Samuel [mailto:fsamuel921 at hotmail.com] > Sent: Monday, 13 October 2003 9:58 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi ZX-c90 tapes > > > > > > Take a look at this ebay auction > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem > 2&rd=1> &item=3051263152&category=14962&rd=1 > > > > there is a guy bidding $295.53 for a 10 pack of ZX-C90 tapes. That is crazy > in my opinion. No tape is worth that much since the format is dying out > anyways From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Oct 14 17:56:27 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:56:27 -0400 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi ZX-c90 tapes] Message-ID: <3F8C1CAB.6090803@rcn.com> >I think you guys are missing the point. Price of the >tapes derives from their scarcity, not from some >intrinsic value. Think of a Picasso painting -- is >it *really* worth 5 million bucks? > >OTOH, there is this famous saying about those that >are born every minute... FOR EXAMPLE, CHECK OUT EBAY COMPLETETD ITEM #2957063338 -- Ron Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > I agree, that is crazy. It's nice to see that it comes with the original > box, that's probably very expensive cardboard :) > > Tom. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Anthony Samuel [mailto:fsamuel921 at hotmail.com] > Sent: Monday, 13 October 2003 9:58 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi ZX-c90 tapes > > > > > > Take a look at this ebay auction > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem > 2&rd=1> &item=3051263152&category=14962&rd=1 > > > > there is a guy bidding $295.53 for a 10 pack of ZX-C90 tapes. That is crazy > in my opinion. No tape is worth that much since the format is dying out > anyways From jochi at qwest.net Tue Oct 14 19:40:54 2003 From: jochi at qwest.net (Jonathan Ochi) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:40:54 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: favored non-naks References: <16654313@rosencrantz.reed.edu> <022c01c39194$107b4fd0$1210a8c0@TG> <01f401c3925d$bea2a5d0$1210a8c0@TG> Message-ID: <001e01c3927a$51eda4e0$0400000a@uswest.net> Tayfur, Please do not use the term "jap" or "japs." Even if no malicious intent is behind the terms, we do not go around saying "nigger music" or "spick songs" or "kike melodies." These terms are pejorative. The terms have been used historically to disparage whole groups of people. As a Japanese American I can assure the term "jap" is as offensive to me and all Japanese Americans as "nigger" or "spick" or "kike" is offensive to others. No doubt, you intended no offense, but please use the abbreviation "jpn" instead. Jon Ochi ----- Original Message ----- From: Tayfur Gunay To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 7:16 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: favored non-naks Hi Istvan, I just came accross that site while surfing. Well, can not speak Japanese and I do the same; close any pop-up Jap windows:)) Machines on that site really reflect best era of the cass.decks, and for those who need English translation (almost 80% accurate) they can use "Altavistas Babel Fish Translation Program" (http://babelfish.altavista.com/) Japs have always been main target for many brands due to huge population/consumption; but I also do not know why they put different names on exactly the same products in Europe/Americas! Most of us do remember those times when many brands were in a real competiton, and, many of those Non-Nak products deserve appreciation, let us be fair. For instance, I have never seen such a complicated machine, in electronics-wise in Luxman K-05; all parts inside my ZX-9 just the half of it!!! Unfortunattely I have never had the chance to operate this valuable machine due to some severe problems on some boards.Well, this is the another fact that we all Nak fans are still somehow able to find those parts one way or another I support Wouter for the coming non-Nak site. Best to you and all NakTalkers..... Tayfur Gunay ----- Original Message ----- From: Sándor István To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: favored non-naks Hi Tayfur, it is a very nice collection to look at! How did you find it? Do you speak Japanese??? Very interesting the names of particular machines, like Victor (JVC, I suppose), and A&D (or something like that, probably Akai). It is always a riddle for me why Japaneese companies change the names of their product in Japan, compared to the free-market products. I already experienced the same with motorbikes also... Best regards, and keep on digging, István ----- Original Message ----- From: Tayfur Gunay To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 4:12 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: favored non-naks Hi Folks, For those who are like us, for sure, would like to see the following website where you can find best decks ever made. This site will also be helpful in picture-wise or such to Mark for the Non-Nak site, and the voters as well. http://k-nisi.hp.infoseek.co.jp/deck.htm http://k-nisi.hp.infoseek.co.jp/deck2.htm Will you please join me to applaud the founder of this site. Best to all. 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It seems to sell for less than the classic Naks because of its 'consumer' look. It works and sounds fantastic and I would recommend it. Bill From ddino77 at earthlink.net Wed Oct 15 00:21:55 2003 From: ddino77 at earthlink.net (ddino77 at earthlink.net) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 18:21:55 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Potential Nak owner Message-ID: <39020-2200310214222155843@M2W051.mail2web.com> Naks are like girlfriends. it takes time and money to become well acquainted. If you don't have the either to invest stay with the consumer models. LX, Model One series etc. However if you are willing to stay the course and put some effort into the gamble the rewards can be fantastic..... Original Message: ----------------- From: David Foley david at djfol.freeserve.co.uk Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:08:58 +0100 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Potential Nak owner Okay - I'd like some advice please. I have come very late (!) to the world of Nakamichi ownership and would appreciate some suggestions regarding the best purchase for approximately two hundred pounds. Many thanks in advance. Best Wishes David -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr Wed Oct 15 10:24:25 2003 From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 11:24:25 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Re: favored non-naks References: <16654313@rosencrantz.reed.edu><022c01c39194$107b4fd0$1210a8c0@TG><01f401c3925d$bea2a5d0$1210a8c0@TG> <001e01c3927a$51eda4e0$0400000a@uswest.net> Message-ID: <002b01c392f5$c426b620$1210a8c0@TG> Dear Jon , I obsolutely did not mean such offense whatsoever!!! How this could be while we are the members of this decent society and got gathered without considering what our natioanality, or career or even who we are physically and we just aimed our decent hobbies. I do apologize from all those people once again. Best to all NakTalkers, T.Gunay ----- Original Message ----- From: Jonathan Ochi To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 8:40 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: favored non-naks Tayfur, Please do not use the term "jap" or "japs." Even if no malicious intent is behind the terms, we do not go around saying "nigger music" or "spick songs" or "kike melodies." These terms are pejorative. The terms have been used historically to disparage whole groups of people. As a Japanese American I can assure the term "jap" is as offensive to me and all Japanese Americans as "nigger" or "spick" or "kike" is offensive to others. No doubt, you intended no offense, but please use the abbreviation "jpn" instead. Jon Ochi ----- Original Message ----- From: Tayfur Gunay To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 7:16 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: favored non-naks Hi Istvan, I just came accross that site while surfing. Well, can not speak Japanese and I do the same; close any pop-up Jap windows:)) Machines on that site really reflect best era of the cass.decks, and for those who need English translation (almost 80% accurate) they can use "Altavistas Babel Fish Translation Program" (http://babelfish.altavista.com/) Japs have always been main target for many brands due to huge population/consumption; but I also do not know why they put different names on exactly the same products in Europe/Americas! Most of us do remember those times when many brands were in a real competiton, and, many of those Non-Nak products deserve appreciation, let us be fair. For instance, I have never seen such a complicated machine, in electronics-wise in Luxman K-05; all parts inside my ZX-9 just the half of it!!! Unfortunattely I have never had the chance to operate this valuable machine due to some severe problems on some boards.Well, this is the another fact that we all Nak fans are still somehow able to find those parts one way or another I support Wouter for the coming non-Nak site. Best to you and all NakTalkers..... Tayfur Gunay ----- Original Message ----- From: Sándor István To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: favored non-naks Hi Tayfur, it is a very nice collection to look at! How did you find it? Do you speak Japanese??? Very interesting the names of particular machines, like Victor (JVC, I suppose), and A&D (or something like that, probably Akai). It is always a riddle for me why Japaneese companies change the names of their product in Japan, compared to the free-market products. I already experienced the same with motorbikes also... Best regards, and keep on digging, István ----- Original Message ----- From: Tayfur Gunay To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 4:12 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: favored non-naks Hi Folks, For those who are like us, for sure, would like to see the following website where you can find best decks ever made. This site will also be helpful in picture-wise or such to Mark for the Non-Nak site, and the voters as well. http://k-nisi.hp.infoseek.co.jp/deck.htm http://k-nisi.hp.infoseek.co.jp/deck2.htm Will you please join me to applaud the founder of this site. Best to all. 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URL: From one2rock at vogue.co.uk Wed Oct 15 13:42:12 2003 From: one2rock at vogue.co.uk (Michael) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:42:12 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? Message-ID: <3F8D3294.148B575E@vogue.co.uk> I have a question regarding the Tandberg TCD-3014. I've read from earlier posts that it's more prone to failure than the Nakamichi decks. I think it was Stephen Sank that once said Nakamichis and ReVox lasted a hell of a lot longer than Tandbergs. In any case I just want someone to clarify what kind of failure we're talking about (i.e. is it mechanical parts or electrical?). What about alternative replacement parts for belts etc.. In any case, if I want a deck that can stand the test of time or without being prone to breackdowns should I stay away from Tandbergs and focus more on classic Nak decks? Thanks in advance, Michael From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Oct 15 16:21:09 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 10:21:09 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? In-Reply-To: <3F8D3294.148B575E@vogue.co.uk> References: <3F8D3294.148B575E@vogue.co.uk> Message-ID: <3F8D57D5.8020001@rcn.com> Michael wrote: > I have a question regarding the Tandberg TCD-3014. I've read > from earlier posts that it's more prone to failure than the > Nakamichi decks. I think it was Stephen Sank that once said > Nakamichis and ReVox lasted a hell of a lot longer than > Tandbergs. In any case I just want someone to clarify what > kind of failure we're talking about (i.e. is it mechanical > parts or electrical?). What about alternative replacement > parts for belts etc.. > > In any case, if I want a deck that can stand the test of time > or without being prone to breackdowns should I stay away from > Tandbergs and focus more on classic Nak decks? > > Thanks in advance, > Michael This is not going to be very useful, yet it might give an indication... In a previous life, many years ago, I ran a small service shop. For a while we provided under-warranty service for ReVox and also received a steady stream of Tandberg (r.t.r decks -- cassette did not become a viable medium until later). Once infant health problems were dealt with, ReVox decks seemed to stay healthy and seldom returned to the shop. Tandbergs seems to develop new problems as they aged. It was common to see the same customer a year or so later, with the same machine. If memory serves, most problems were mechanical, not electronic. I don't mean to imply that Tandberg decks were not reliable -- only that ReVox products seemed more so. At the time, Nakamichi decks were a gleam in someone's eyes. I never saw one in the flesh until much later. -- Ron From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Wed Oct 15 18:38:28 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 18:38:28 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Non-Naks! Message-ID: Thanks Wouter - that's truly excellent news!! Looking forwards to it!! Cheers, Marc The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Wed Oct 15 19:03:53 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 19:03:53 +0200 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi ZX-c90 tapes] Message-ID: I agree Ron, The fact that the format is giving way to other formats for recording (as in "dying out") doesn't make it less desirable. Potentially, it could make it more desirable actually. I have a collection of unopened cassettes - one of each will displayed (once I get round to it). Cheers, Marc The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. 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Name: not available URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Wed Oct 15 19:32:48 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 23:02:48 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? Message-ID: <20031015173248.4077015E2F@vsnlbill.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From khmerideth at anderson.edu Wed Oct 15 23:05:08 2003 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:05:08 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR4 vs. BX300 Message-ID: Fred, If the BX-300 has not had the gear-drive upgrade, you will have the task of periodically cleaning the idler wheel and replacing it every 2-4 years (Your Mileage May Vary). It does have an adjustable pitch control, the CR-4A does not. ( A word of warning here; the pitch control is a simple trim potentiometer with a detent approximately in the center range of rotation. After the pitch control is used to speed up, or slow down, a tape, it requires placing a 3000 Hz test tape in the unit and monitoring the output with a frequency counter to return to the real center point. There is about 20-25 Hz play within the center detent position on my MR-1's. By this, I mean if you "tweak" on the control in either clockwise or counter-clockwise direction, without going past the detent, you can change the playback speed by 20-25 Hz. In this configuration, it is very difficult to get back to the exact center of rotation for the potentiometer. A more accurate setup would have had a switchable pitch control; at more engineering and expense.) There is a combined left/right bias adjustment control on the BX-300, which is adjust by listening to the "monitor" setting, preferably with headphones. The CR-4A has combined left/right level AND bias controls, that are set using the left/right signal read outs, which are switched to specialized circuits for monitoring the level and bias changes. The CR-4A was built after the idler drives were no longer used in production. Turns out the cost-cutting move to the idler drive was yielding too many problems/failures in the field. My choice would lean toward the CR-4A. Being able to calibrate the level and bias, as opposed to only the bias, you are able to get closer to maximizing the amount of signal you can get on the tape, without going into gross distortion. By the way, the MR-1 is a BX-300 without bias adjustment, but has XLR and phone jack inputs/outputs. Most of my remote recordings are done using the XLR outputs from the mixing board to the XLR inputs of the MR-1. Wait for the other viewpoints, then you have to make up your own mind what aspects are most important to you. Just my two cents worth. If you feel so inclined, you can give me a nickel in change! ;oP Hope this hasn't made your decision more difficult. Enjoy the music! Kent Merideth >>> Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu 10/15/03 12:27PM >>> Hi all, I have a CR4a that needs about $100 worth of work. I'm wondering if I should keep the deck or find something new. I'm looking at a BX300 on ebay. How would all you expert Nakkers compare the two? Any preferences? Any thoughts would be most welcome. thanks, Fred Lifton ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marcdenis at iquebec.com Wed Oct 15 22:59:12 2003 From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:59:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR4 vs. BX300 In-Reply-To: <16767858@rosencrantz.reed.edu> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20031015165414.02a2af00@pop.iquebec.com> At 10:27 2003/10/15 -0700, you wrote: >Hi all, >I have a CR4a that needs about $100 worth of work. I'm wondering if I should >keep the deck or find something new. I'm looking at a BX300 on ebay. How would >all you expert Nakkers compare the two? Any preferences? Any thoughts would be >most welcome. >thanks, >Fred Lifton Both machines are similar except for a few features. IMHO, CR-4A has the edge because of its manual Level and Bias Calibration controls. By comparison, BX-300 only has a fine bias knob with no built-in test tones. $100 does not seem much to spend to bring back to life a machine in a known condition vs buying an older BX-300 in an unknown condition. From wheijke at xs4all.nl Wed Oct 15 23:34:36 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 23:34:36 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CR4 vs. BX300 References: <4.3.2.7.2.20031015165414.02a2af00@pop.iquebec.com> Message-ID: <3F8DBD6C.6C7402BF@xs4all.nl> That's also what i read in the CR-4 'service information' in a very nice and informative introduction: > The CR-4 has basic functions almost equivalent to those of the BX-300, except for > the pitch control function. Instead, it has the manual calibration function, > which allows fine adjustment of deviation in sensitivity of cassette tapes and > bias currents. As a matter of course, a cassette tape with extraordinary > characteristics may cause failure in adjustment or unevenness of record i > ng/playback frequency response, even if adjustment can be done. > > The CR-4 incorporates test tone oscillators of 400 Hz and 15 kHz, which the > BX-300 is not provided with, for this added calibration function. With the > calibration function being active, bias and level are displayed on the level > indicators, facilitating calibration. > Wouter Marc Denis wrote: > At 10:27 2003/10/15 -0700, you wrote: > >Hi all, > >I have a CR4a that needs about $100 worth of work. I'm wondering if I should > >keep the deck or find something new. I'm looking at a BX300 on ebay. How would > >all you expert Nakkers compare the two? Any preferences? Any thoughts would be > >most welcome. > >thanks, > >Fred Lifton > > Both machines are similar except for a few features. IMHO, CR-4A has the > edge because of its manual Level and Bias Calibration controls. By > comparison, BX-300 only has a fine bias knob with no built-in test tones. > > $100 does not seem much to spend to bring back to life a machine in a known > condition vs buying an older BX-300 in an unknown condition. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Thu Oct 16 00:36:41 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 04:06:41 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] CR4 vs. BX300 Message-ID: <20031015223641.9A6FC15E48@vsnlbill.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From enoyes at snet.net Thu Oct 16 03:39:33 2003 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 21:39:33 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Non-Naks! References: Message-ID: <3F8DF6D5.2060809@snet.net> I have to say that I too think a non-Nak deck site dedicated to the upscale and unusual would be really cool. I have quite a few interesting pictures and info of some great vintage decks that I'd be happy to pass on. I'm sure there are more than a few other members of this group who would do the same. Ed Mark Hugo wrote: >Thanks Wouter - that's truly excellent news!! Looking forwards to it!! > >Cheers, > >Marc > >The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject >to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more >attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the >named recipient/s. > >If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose >or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. >If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to >this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. > >All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present >in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising >from the use of this email or attachments. > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Oct 16 04:03:30 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:03:30 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Non-Naks! Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D1EC@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> I too would love to contrubute. I have brochures on some of the old Harmon Kardon & "ordinary" aiwa's. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Ed Noyes [mailto:enoyes at snet.net] Sent: Thursday, 16 October 2003 11:40 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Non-Naks! I have to say that I too think a non-Nak deck site dedicated to the upscale and unusual would be really cool. I have quite a few interesting pictures and info of some great vintage decks that I'd be happy to pass on. I'm sure there are more than a few other members of this group who would do the same. Ed Mark Hugo wrote: >Thanks Wouter - that's truly excellent news!! Looking forwards to it!! > >Cheers, > >Marc > >The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject >to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more >attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the >named recipient/s. > >If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose >or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. >If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to >this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. > >All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present >in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising >from the use of this email or attachments. > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu Oct 16 09:18:24 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:18:24 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] Non-Naks! In-Reply-To: <3F8DF6D5.2060809@snet.net> References: <3F8DF6D5.2060809@snet.net> Message-ID: <24872.212.78.179.234.1066288704.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> YES, I will need all the help, i have some brochures of other brands from the days but the one's that came across the last few days i don't have any info on. Already bought a domain name so it's really going to happen! Now that the base of the new Naks.com site is firm and flexible making the new site is 'easy'. The difficult work is searching for all rarities, their features and specs and pictures and checking them over and over... I think for every Nak equivalent other decks should be there but they should have something that gives them that 'something extra'. Wouter From psburress at worldnet.att.net Thu Oct 16 18:19:34 2003 From: psburress at worldnet.att.net (Proctor Burress) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:19:34 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: DR 1 References: Message-ID: <007401c39401$4a092fa0$27ee540c@proctorb> Kent, What do you think of the DR 1? thanks for your comments! Proctor psburess at worldnet.att.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Kent Merideth To: Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu ; naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 2:05 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR4 vs. BX300 Fred, If the BX-300 has not had the gear-drive upgrade, you will have the task of periodically cleaning the idler wheel and replacing it every 2-4 years (Your Mileage May Vary). It does have an adjustable pitch control, the CR-4A does not. ( A word of warning here; the pitch control is a simple trim potentiometer with a detent approximately in the center range of rotation. After the pitch control is used to speed up, or slow down, a tape, it requires placing a 3000 Hz test tape in the unit and monitoring the output with a frequency counter to return to the real center point. There is about 20-25 Hz play within the center detent position on my MR-1's. By this, I mean if you "tweak" on the control in either clockwise or counter-clockwise direction, without going past the detent, you can change the playback speed by 20-25 Hz. In this configuration, it is very difficult to get back to the exact center of rotation for the potentiometer. A more accurate setup would have had a switchable pitch control; at more engineering and expense.) There is a combined left/right bias adjustment control on the BX-300, which is adjust by listening to the "monitor" setting, preferably with headphones. The CR-4A has combined left/right level AND bias controls, that are set using the left/right signal read outs, which are switched to specialized circuits for monitoring the level and bias changes. The CR-4A was built after the idler drives were no longer used in production. Turns out the cost-cutting move to the idler drive was yielding too many problems/failures in the field. My choice would lean toward the CR-4A. Being able to calibrate the level and bias, as opposed to only the bias, you are able to get closer to maximizing the amount of signal you can get on the tape, without going into gross distortion. By the way, the MR-1 is a BX-300 without bias adjustment, but has XLR and phone jack inputs/outputs. Most of my remote recordings are done using the XLR outputs from the mixing board to the XLR inputs of the MR-1. Wait for the other viewpoints, then you have to make up your own mind what aspects are most important to you. Just my two cents worth. If you feel so inclined, you can give me a nickel in change! ;oP Hope this hasn't made your decision more difficult. Enjoy the music! Kent Merideth >>> Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu 10/15/03 12:27PM >>> Hi all, I have a CR4a that needs about $100 worth of work. I'm wondering if I should keep the deck or find something new. I'm looking at a BX300 on ebay. How would all you expert Nakkers compare the two? Any preferences? 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URL: From marcdenis at iquebec.com Thu Oct 16 16:37:50 2003 From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:37:50 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: DR 1 In-Reply-To: <007401c39401$4a092fa0$27ee540c@proctorb> References: Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20031016102725.032b9950@pop.iquebec.com> Proctor, DR-1 is essentially the same as Cassette Deck 1 which it replaced in a more traditional Nakamichi cosmetic style. 3-head, dual capstan, pad lifter, belt driven, gear drive (for low maintenance), fine bias tune (no test tones), manual playback bias knob on front panel (excellent feature). A fine machine from the most recent vintage. I hope this helps. -Marc At 09:19 2003/10/16 -0700, you wrote: >Kent, > >What do you think of the DR 1? > >thanks for your comments! > >Proctor >psburess at worldnet.att.net >----- Original Message ----- >From: Kent Merideth >To: Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu >; naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 2:05 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR4 vs. BX300 > >Fred, > >If the BX-300 has not had the gear-drive upgrade, you will have the task >of periodically cleaning the idler wheel and replacing it every 2-4 years >(Your Mileage May Vary). It does have an adjustable pitch control, the >CR-4A does not. ( A word of warning here; the pitch control is a simple >trim potentiometer with a detent approximately in the center range of >rotation. After the pitch control is used to speed up, or slow down, a >tape, it requires placing a 3000 Hz test tape in the unit and monitoring >the output with a frequency counter to return to the real center >point. There is about 20-25 Hz play within the center detent position on >my MR-1's. By this, I mean if you "tweak" on the control in either >clockwise or counter-clockwise direction, without going past the detent, >you can change the playback speed by 20-25 Hz. In this configuration, it >is very difficult to get back to the exact center of rotation for the >potentiometer. A more accurate setup would have had a switchable pitch >control; at more engineering and expense.) There is a combined left/right >bias adjustment control on the BX-300, which is adjust by listening to the >"monitor" setting, preferably with headphones. The CR-4A has combined >left/right level AND bias controls, that are set using the left/right >signal read outs, which are switched to specialized circuits for >monitoring the level and bias changes. The CR-4A was built after the >idler drives were no longer used in production. Turns out the >cost-cutting move to the idler drive was yielding too many >problems/failures in the field. > >My choice would lean toward the CR-4A. Being able to calibrate the level >and bias, as opposed to only the bias, you are able to get closer to >maximizing the amount of signal you can get on the tape, without going >into gross distortion. > >By the way, the MR-1 is a BX-300 without bias adjustment, but has XLR and >phone jack inputs/outputs. Most of my remote recordings are done using >the XLR outputs from the mixing board to the XLR inputs of the MR-1. > >Wait for the other viewpoints, then you have to make up your own mind what >aspects are most important to you. > >Just my two cents worth. If you feel so inclined, you can give me a >nickel in change! ;oP > >Hope this hasn't made your decision more difficult. Enjoy the music! > >Kent Merideth > > > > >>> Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu 10/15/03 12:27PM >>> >Hi all, >I have a CR4a that needs about $100 worth of work. I'm wondering if I should >keep the deck or find something new. I'm looking at a BX300 on ebay. How >would >all you expert Nakkers compare the two? Any preferences? Any thoughts >would be >most welcome. >thanks, >Fred Lifton >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >---------- >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From khmerideth at anderson.edu Thu Oct 16 17:42:46 2003 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:42:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: DR 1 Message-ID: Proctor, Marc replied before I got to your e-mail. The only caveat I would inject is I'm not familiar with the repair history of the DR-1. My vote would be, of the DR-X series, the DR-1 would get my nod. Forget who mentioned the 580 series recently, but would suggest looking into the 582 (Dolby B only & needle type meters) or the 582Z (Dolby B&C with LED meters). Both have individual controls (for left & right) to adjust calibration of level and bias for each tape type ( Type I - EX, Type II - SX, or Type IV - ZX). The necessary test tones (400 Hz & 15,000 Hz) are built in for proper calibration to the tape being used. Also, the eject button mechanism is much less likely to break than the eject lever mechanism of the 660-670-680 series. From what I have heard, the lever design is more prone to breaking. I always apply pressure as close to the pivot point (less leverage), which is less likely to break the lever. So far, mine (680ZX) has been accident free. Hope I have not added too much fuel to the fire; causing it to rage out of control. Let us know what you decide to do. Most important of all: ENJOY THE MUSIC! Best regards, Kent Merideth >>> marcdenis at iquebec.com 10/16/03 09:37AM >>> Proctor, DR-1 is essentially the same as Cassette Deck 1 which it replaced in a more traditional Nakamichi cosmetic style. 3-head, dual capstan, pad lifter, belt driven, gear drive (for low maintenance), fine bias tune (no test tones), manual playback bias knob on front panel (excellent feature). A fine machine from the most recent vintage. I hope this helps. -Marc At 09:19 2003/10/16 -0700, you wrote: >Kent, > >What do you think of the DR 1? > >thanks for your comments! > >Proctor >psburess at worldnet.att.net >----- Original Message ----- >From: Kent Merideth >To: Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu >; naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 2:05 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR4 vs. BX300 > >Fred, > >If the BX-300 has not had the gear-drive upgrade, you will have the task >of periodically cleaning the idler wheel and replacing it every 2-4 years >(Your Mileage May Vary). It does have an adjustable pitch control, the >CR-4A does not. ( A word of warning here; the pitch control is a simple >trim potentiometer with a detent approximately in the center range of >rotation. After the pitch control is used to speed up, or slow down, a >tape, it requires placing a 3000 Hz test tape in the unit and monitoring >the output with a frequency counter to return to the real center >point. There is about 20-25 Hz play within the center detent position on >my MR-1's. By this, I mean if you "tweak" on the control in either >clockwise or counter-clockwise direction, without going past the detent, >you can change the playback speed by 20-25 Hz. In this configuration, it >is very difficult to get back to the exact center of rotation for the >potentiometer. A more accurate setup would have had a switchable pitch >control; at more engineering and expense.) There is a combined left/right >bias adjustment control on the BX-300, which is adjust by listening to the >"monitor" setting, preferably with headphones. The CR-4A has combined >left/right level AND bias controls, that are set using the left/right >signal read outs, which are switched to specialized circuits for >monitoring the level and bias changes. The CR-4A was built after the >idler drives were no longer used in production. Turns out the >cost-cutting move to the idler drive was yielding too many >problems/failures in the field. > >My choice would lean toward the CR-4A. Being able to calibrate the level >and bias, as opposed to only the bias, you are able to get closer to >maximizing the amount of signal you can get on the tape, without going >into gross distortion. > >By the way, the MR-1 is a BX-300 without bias adjustment, but has XLR and >phone jack inputs/outputs. Most of my remote recordings are done using >the XLR outputs from the mixing board to the XLR inputs of the MR-1. > >Wait for the other viewpoints, then you have to make up your own mind what >aspects are most important to you. > >Just my two cents worth. If you feel so inclined, you can give me a >nickel in change! ;oP > >Hope this hasn't made your decision more difficult. Enjoy the music! > >Kent Merideth > > > > >>> Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu 10/15/03 12:27PM >>> >Hi all, >I have a CR4a that needs about $100 worth of work. I'm wondering if I should >keep the deck or find something new. I'm looking at a BX300 on ebay. How >would >all you expert Nakkers compare the two? Any preferences? 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URL: From RTLehe at aol.com Thu Oct 16 18:40:36 2003 From: RTLehe at aol.com (RTLehe at aol.com) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:40:36 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: DR 1 Message-ID: <1C5B7F48.7B774B92.0004E774@aol.com> You surely mean playback azimuth control and not playback bias, don't you, Bias does not affect playback. Tad From psburress at worldnet.att.net Thu Oct 16 20:21:53 2003 From: psburress at worldnet.att.net (Proctor Burress) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:21:53 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: DR 1 References: <4.3.2.7.2.20031016102725.032b9950@pop.iquebec.com> Message-ID: <000c01c39412$6071d1a0$3cee540c@proctorb> Marc, Thanks for your kind reply. Regards, Proctor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Denis" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 7:37 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: DR 1 From psburress at worldnet.att.net Thu Oct 16 21:28:13 2003 From: psburress at worldnet.att.net (Proctor Burress) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:28:13 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Response: DR 1 Question! References: Message-ID: <001401c3941b$a4f12200$dfeb540c@proctorb> Kent, Wonderful response. I'll do what you say(check out the DR-1 or look for a 582 or 582Z)! May I ask one other question? I have an almost mint LX-3 that seems to the naked eye to be in near perpect condition (all indicators and captstans turn, all belts are in tact and the idler wheel engages both forward and reverse). The "play" control also works perfectly...WITH NO tape inserted. With a tape inserted the "lift" mechanism rises for just an instant...and then returns to the lowered postion without full engaging and playing the tape. Thus, no MUSIC! Might I "fix" this? Where might I get a service manual for the LX-3? Thanks again...I really appreciate your taking the time to reply! Proctor Am I correct in thinking this may be a simple fix...such as replacing the round belt that activates the polyplastic lever on the right side of the cassette mechanism? ----- Original Message ----- From: Kent Merideth To: marcdenis at iquebec.com ; naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 8:42 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: DR 1 Proctor, Marc replied before I got to your e-mail. The only caveat I would inject is I'm not familiar with the repair history of the DR-1. My vote would be, of the DR-X series, the DR-1 would get my nod. Forget who mentioned the 580 series recently, but would suggest looking into the 582 (Dolby B only & needle type meters) or the 582Z (Dolby B&C with LED meters). Both have individual controls (for left & right) to adjust calibration of level and bias for each tape type ( Type I - EX, Type II - SX, or Type IV - ZX). The necessary test tones (400 Hz & 15,000 Hz) are built in for proper calibration to the tape being used. Also, the eject button mechanism is much less likely to break than the eject lever mechanism of the 660-670-680 series. From what I have heard, the lever design is more prone to breaking. I always apply pressure as close to the pivot point (less leverage), which is less likely to break the lever. So far, mine (680ZX) has been accident free. Hope I have not added too much fuel to the fire; causing it to rage out of control. Let us know what you decide to do. Most important of all: ENJOY THE MUSIC! Best regards, Kent Merideth >>> marcdenis at iquebec.com 10/16/03 09:37AM >>> Proctor, DR-1 is essentially the same as Cassette Deck 1 which it replaced in a more traditional Nakamichi cosmetic style. 3-head, dual capstan, pad lifter, belt driven, gear drive (for low maintenance), fine bias tune (no test tones), manual playback bias knob on front panel (excellent feature). A fine machine from the most recent vintage. I hope this helps. -Marc At 09:19 2003/10/16 -0700, you wrote: >Kent, > >What do you think of the DR 1? > >thanks for your comments! > >Proctor >psburess at worldnet.att.net >----- Original Message ----- >From: Kent Merideth >To: Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu >; naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 2:05 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR4 vs. BX300 > >Fred, > >If the BX-300 has not had the gear-drive upgrade, you will have the task >of periodically cleaning the idler wheel and replacing it every 2-4 years >(Your Mileage May Vary). It does have an adjustable pitch control, the >CR-4A does not. ( A word of warning here; the pitch control is a simple >trim potentiometer with a detent approximately in the center range of >rotation. After the pitch control is used to speed up, or slow down, a >tape, it requires placing a 3000 Hz test tape in the unit and monitoring >the output with a frequency counter to return to the real center >point. There is about 20-25 Hz play within the center detent position on >my MR-1's. By this, I mean if you "tweak" on the control in either >clockwise or counter-clockwise direction, without going past the detent, >you can change the playback speed by 20-25 Hz. In this configuration, it >is very difficult to get back to the exact center of rotation for the >potentiometer. A more accurate setup would have had a switchable pitch >control; at more engineering and expense.) There is a combined left/right >bias adjustment control on the BX-300, which is adjust by listening to the >"monitor" setting, preferably with headphones. The CR-4A has combined >left/right level AND bias controls, that are set using the left/right >signal read outs, which are switched to specialized circuits for >monitoring the level and bias changes. The CR-4A was built after the >idler drives were no longer used in production. Turns out the >cost-cutting move to the idler drive was yielding too many >problems/failures in the field. > >My choice would lean toward the CR-4A. Being able to calibrate the level >and bias, as opposed to only the bias, you are able to get closer to >maximizing the amount of signal you can get on the tape, without going >into gross distortion. > >By the way, the MR-1 is a BX-300 without bias adjustment, but has XLR and >phone jack inputs/outputs. Most of my remote recordings are done using >the XLR outputs from the mixing board to the XLR inputs of the MR-1. > >Wait for the other viewpoints, then you have to make up your own mind what >aspects are most important to you. > >Just my two cents worth. If you feel so inclined, you can give me a >nickel in change! ;oP > >Hope this hasn't made your decision more difficult. Enjoy the music! > >Kent Merideth > > > > >>> Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu 10/15/03 12:27PM >>> >Hi all, >I have a CR4a that needs about $100 worth of work. I'm wondering if I should >keep the deck or find something new. I'm looking at a BX300 on ebay. How >would >all you expert Nakkers compare the two? Any preferences? 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URL: From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr Fri Oct 17 10:35:05 2003 From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 11:35:05 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Re: RX 550 References: <20031013174140.2946915E91@vsnlbill.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <006201c39489$9b7c4970$1210a8c0@TG> Hi Kannan, I''m still not able to find those parts. Azimuth Alignment Screws (2 pieces) Height Gears (2 pieces) Height Gear Stopper (2 pieces) (Spring+stopper) Height Adjust Screws (4 pieces) None of them seemed helpful. Still any possibility to find those parts; any help most welcomed! Thanks and best regards, Tayfur > Hi Tayfur > I was wondering whether you received my mail! > Send mail to > info at classic-nakamichi.com > The company is in UK - called Bowers and Wilken and they are authorised service center. Generally this item is very very difficult to get unless you are pretty lucky. Secondly putting on this new screw needs new alignment of the head - requires NAk gauge like head tilt gauge / track alignment tape/ azimuth tape etc. However I know you are in great disadvantage as far as nak service is concerned but screws atleast would help you to get it to some shape. You can also try ES-labs in connecticut - Jeff Galin would eat you alive with his quote for such a trivial thing. > Also Transtec BV of netherland ( sercha their website on google you must get it) > Keep me posted of your development. > kannan > t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr wrote > Hi Kannan, > > Thank you very mcuh for your valuable help; bad news is while adjusting > head/rec screws some of them broken due to their age I think!!! > > I can not comment on accuracy of playback/recording of my deck at present. > > What I need urgently is following spare parts; I hope you can help me.. > > Azimuth Alignment Screws (2 pieces) > Height Gears (2 pieces) > Height Gear Stopper (2 pieces) (Spring+stopper) > Height Adjust Screws (4 pieces) (= same as azimuth alignment screws?) > > Where can I find a reliable and fast supplier. As I'm going to give my > credit card details they should be reliable and fast enough to supply those > parts to Turkey (Istanbul). Preferably a Eurepean service/supplier. > > I appreciate your valuable help. > > Thanks and ebst regards, > Tayfur > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 10:36 PM > Subject: Re: RX505 > > > > > > Hi Tayfur > > > > I am once again sorry for this delay - but I would prefer to be late than > never!. > > First information to you with no service facility at Turkey > > " do not touch the screws in the middle with two white gears on either > side ! They are head height adjustment screws -( I suppose you have RX505 > service manual PDF files atleast with you? - they will be helpful, if not > ask Wouter for a copy after you register your RX505) > > The extreme screws ( only you will see one white plastic screw on both the > extreme) are Azimuth screws. These after noticing the original location can > be adjusted. First assume that you need little adjustment ( like a quarter > turn of Play Azimuth screw on your right hand side when you face the Deck!) > to get clean high frequency of any Prerecorded high quality cassette. Assume > that the cassette azimuth is corect and you can corect play azimuth to that > and keep it as your refrence. Now you have adjust your Record head azimuth > after recording 400 HZ level signal to get the corect level and then record > 10 -12 Khz sine wave at -20 dB ( of ref 400Hz at '0' dB - ref service > manual. ) and adjust record head Azimuth to get maximum output on play > head - switching monitor switch to cassette. > > If you had done anything on the head height screws in the middle - it is > iterally impossible to correct it without Head track alignment tape and > azimuth tape. > > hope my answer helps? > > kannan > > t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr wrote > > Hello Kannan, > > > > Perhaps I can have your practical assistance for my RX505 head alignment > pr= > > oblem. > > Is there a way to align the Pb&Rec heads perfectly by hearing??? Perhaps > yo= > > u have some guiding photos showing head alignment beacuse in Turkey we do > n= > > ot have authorized service for Nakamichi. > > In the manual it is too complicated!!! Any reference tapes pre-recorded > wil= > > l be guiding, I know. > > > > Any help will be most welcomed. > > > > Thanks and best regards, > > Tayfur Gunay > > > From jerryjg at webtv.net Fri Oct 17 14:55:03 2003 From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 07:55:03 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [naktalk] 700 TRITRACER Message-ID: <3542-3F8FE6A7-476@storefull-2234.public.lawson.webtv.net> Can Anyone tell me what may be the matter with my 700? Everything works well except an intermittant problem of when i push the rewind button and fast forward,it doesnt want to engage unless i push the button hard and hold it down. thank you very much, gerald From copytec at coqui.net Fri Oct 17 18:09:00 2003 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlitos Jr.) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 11:09:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? References: <3F8D3294.148B575E@vogue.co.uk> Message-ID: <00dc01c394c8$fa4e2060$01773242@coqui.net> Every deck has its weaknesses and strenghts. My experience with the 3014-A is that it is one of the best decks ever to record on it. Problems ? As Ron said: mostly mechanical. The belt brakes , but that's all. My Revoxes B 215 and complex Naks like 700 ZXL and 1000 ZXL has broken much more than this Tandberg. Back again on line guys, this is Carlos El Magnifico. Later I'll tell you about the Marathon Tape status. Best and happy to be back ! Carlos The Tape Man ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 6:42 AM Subject: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? > I have a question regarding the Tandberg TCD-3014. I've read > from earlier posts that it's more prone to failure than the > Nakamichi decks. I think it was Stephen Sank that once said > Nakamichis and ReVox lasted a hell of a lot longer than > Tandbergs. In any case I just want someone to clarify what > kind of failure we're talking about (i.e. is it mechanical > parts or electrical?). What about alternative replacement > parts for belts etc.. > > In any case, if I want a deck that can stand the test of time > or without being prone to breackdowns should I stay away from > Tandbergs and focus more on classic Nak decks? > > Thanks in advance, > Michael > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From copytec at coqui.net Fri Oct 17 18:10:45 2003 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlitos Jr.) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 11:10:45 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: favored non-naks References: <16654313@rosencrantz.reed.edu> <022c01c39194$107b4fd0$1210a8c0@TG> Message-ID: <00fa01c394c9$39533e80$01773242@coqui.net> My favored non nak decks ? Revox Tandberg And had a very nice experience with some Technics and Teac's. Nothing else. Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: Tayfur Gunay To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: favored non-naks Hi Folks, For those who are like us, for sure, would like to see the following website where you can find best decks ever made. This site will also be helpful in picture-wise or such to Mark for the Non-Nak site, and the voters as well. http://k-nisi.hp.infoseek.co.jp/deck.htm http://k-nisi.hp.infoseek.co.jp/deck2.htm Will you please join me to applaud the founder of this site. Best to all. 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I only know the black version, so who has ever seen the silver ones? Wouter From marcdenis at iquebec.com Fri Oct 17 22:29:44 2003 From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 16:29:44 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1.5 mystery! In-Reply-To: <3F903BE1.36C4F576@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20031017161405.0296bf00@pop.iquebec.com> At 20:58 2003/10/17 +0200, you wrote: >Hi All, > >The Cassette Deck 1.5 service manual mentiones a Black and a Silver >version! >Also the parts list mentions silver and black covers and other cosmetic >items... >I only know the black version, so who has ever seen the silver ones? > >Wouter Hi Wouter, I can guarantee you that Cassette Deck 1.5 in silver has never been sold in North America. I don't know if it ever existed anywhere. Except for front panel and maybe door, all cosmetic parts should the same as the ones used for Cassette Deck 1 which existed in both black and silver versions. Maybe they thought about making a silver version of Cassette Deck 1.5 and changed their mind later? This would be possible since the Limited silver series were not a huge sales success. Anyway, Cassette Deck 1.5 in black was not originally planned for and was introduced much later than Cassette Deck 1 and Cassette Deck 2 to fit price and feature wise between both, hence the name. They knew right away they needed three models when they later replaced this range by DR-1/DR-2/DR-3. From ddino77 at earthlink.net Fri Oct 17 18:12:37 2003 From: ddino77 at earthlink.net (ddino77 at earthlink.net) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 12:12:37 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 700 TRITRACER Message-ID: <184670-2200310517161237860@M2W073.mail2web.com> Diry contacts. Use contact cleaner liberaly. ddan Original Message: ----------------- From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 07:55:03 -0500 (CDT) To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] 700 TRITRACER Can Anyone tell me what may be the matter with my 700? Everything works well except an intermittant problem of when i push the rewind button and fast forward,it doesnt want to engage unless i push the button hard and hold it down. thank you very much, gerald ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Oct 17 22:35:19 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 21:35:19 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Carlos In-Reply-To: <00dc01c394c8$fa4e2060$01773242@coqui.net> Message-ID: <003e01c394ee$2e52a000$e3d3883e@oemcomputer> Carlos Welcome back, my friend! I've missed you!!! Gra' > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.525 / Virus Database: 322 - Release Date: 09/10/03 From jmtooley at ce.net Fri Oct 17 19:20:13 2003 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 13:20:13 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? References: <3F8D3294.148B575E@vogue.co.uk> <00dc01c394c8$fa4e2060$01773242@coqui.net> Message-ID: <00ae01c394d2$ed554fa0$8d106343@johnnyrotten> Carlos! Welcome back there my friend. "Back again on line guys, this is Carlos El Magnifico. Later I'll tell you about the Marathon Tape status." Please tell us all! John T. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carlitos Jr." To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? Every deck has its weaknesses and strenghts. My experience with the 3014-A is that it is one of the best decks ever to record on it. Problems ? As Ron said: mostly mechanical. The belt brakes , but that's all. My Revoxes B 215 and complex Naks like 700 ZXL and 1000 ZXL has broken much more than this Tandberg. Back again on line guys, this is Carlos El Magnifico. Later I'll tell you about the Marathon Tape status. Best and happy to be back ! Carlos The Tape Man ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 6:42 AM Subject: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? > I have a question regarding the Tandberg TCD-3014. I've read > from earlier posts that it's more prone to failure than the > Nakamichi decks. I think it was Stephen Sank that once said > Nakamichis and ReVox lasted a hell of a lot longer than > Tandbergs. In any case I just want someone to clarify what > kind of failure we're talking about (i.e. is it mechanical > parts or electrical?). What about alternative replacement > parts for belts etc.. > > In any case, if I want a deck that can stand the test of time > or without being prone to breackdowns should I stay away from > Tandbergs and focus more on classic Nak decks? > > Thanks in advance, > Michael > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From fsamuel921 at hotmail.com Fri Oct 17 21:13:59 2003 From: fsamuel921 at hotmail.com (Anthony Samuel) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:13:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Revox tandberg Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thsinclair at localdial.com Sat Oct 18 00:14:53 2003 From: thsinclair at localdial.com (Sinclair Forrest) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 23:14:53 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1.5 mystery! References: <3F903BE1.36C4F576@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <002b01c394fc$185c08a0$448fe2c3@fredporter> Hi Wouter I have a "Nakamichi Home Audio Components" catalogue -small format, each page about twenty cm by 10. Not sure of the date, but it has DAT 1000 & 1000P, the 1000mb CD transport, the CD Player 2 etc, Cassette Deck 1 etc, Dragon, CR-7 & 5, RX-505 & 202, amplifiers, receivers and tuners of the time, eg PA-7II & CA-7, ST-7, Amp 1 & 2. Near the end of the catalogue, it has two pages of "The Nakamichi Silver Collection". The left hand page shows CD Player 2, Amplifier 1, Cassette Deck 1.5 all in "a highly attractive, silver satin finish for select worldwide markets. These three limited edition components must be purchased together as a system. Available in many countries in Asia, Oceania, the Middle East, Africa, and Latin America." Tuner 2 is also shown, but, quote: "availability subject to determination of market demand." The right hand page shows Tuner 2 along with CD Player 4, Receiver 3, Amplifer 2, and Cassette Deck 2. For the European market in this case, and again as complete systems. Hope this helps! When I get the scanner working, I'll scan the whole catalogue and send it to you. Cheers, Sinclair ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wouter Heijke" To: Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 7:58 PM Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1.5 mystery! > Hi All, > > The Cassette Deck 1.5 service manual mentiones a Black and a Silver > version! > Also the parts list mentions silver and black covers and other cosmetic > items... > I only know the black version, so who has ever seen the silver ones? > > Wouter > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From roleo at telus.net Fri Oct 17 23:52:40 2003 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:52:40 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1.5 mystery! References: <4.3.2.7.2.20031017161405.0296bf00@pop.iquebec.com> Message-ID: <000d01c394f8$fce3e5a0$6401a8c0@desktop> Perhaps this is is part of the Special Edition line that we saw the Cassette Deck 1 come in a few weeks ago.... -- Roland ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Denis" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1.5 mystery! > At 20:58 2003/10/17 +0200, you wrote: > >Hi All, > > > >The Cassette Deck 1.5 service manual mentiones a Black and a Silver > >version! > >Also the parts list mentions silver and black covers and other cosmetic > >items... > >I only know the black version, so who has ever seen the silver ones? > > > >Wouter > > Hi Wouter, > > I can guarantee you that Cassette Deck 1.5 in silver has never been sold in > North America. I don't know if it ever existed anywhere. Except for front > panel and maybe door, all cosmetic parts should the same as the ones used > for Cassette Deck 1 which existed in both black and silver versions. Maybe > they thought about making a silver version of Cassette Deck 1.5 and changed > their mind later? This would be possible since the Limited silver series > were not a huge sales success. Anyway, Cassette Deck 1.5 in black was not > originally planned for and was introduced much later than Cassette Deck 1 > and Cassette Deck 2 to fit price and feature wise between both, hence the > name. They knew right away they needed three models when they later > replaced this range by DR-1/DR-2/DR-3. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From stan.targowski at comcast.net Sat Oct 18 04:17:27 2003 From: stan.targowski at comcast.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 21:17:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Revox tandberg - what is the best non-Nak deck ever made? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have to disagree, at least regarding Revox. Their 215 deck is built like a tank, and is probably one of the best 3 decks ever made, considering durability, cost of ownership, playback and recording. I would dare to say that it is the best non-Nakamichi deck ever made. Any comments from the group - what in your opinion is the single best non-Nak ever made? Stan -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Anthony Samuel Sent: Fri, October 17, 2003 2:14 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Revox tandberg Hi I believe Revox and Tandberg decks are highly overated. Ive seen these decks in action and i was not really impressed. There decks are huge and ugly and take up too much space. Im sure service is also very expensive too. Decks in my collection Aiwa ADF-770 Aiwa ADF-990 Nakamichi CR-3A Yamaha KX-930 Teac V-95RX Anthony Samuel ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Cheer a special someone with a fun Halloween eCard from American Greetings! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bwana747 at hotmail.com Sat Oct 18 06:55:49 2003 From: bwana747 at hotmail.com (bwana747 _) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 23:55:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Revox tandberg Message-ID: The acid test for any tape deck's quality is in broadcast or professional studio applications. Revox shines in this department for both radio and recording studio tasks. In 20+ years of broadcasting I've never had one fail me, or anyone I've met. One merely need open up the case of any Revox PR77, A77 Mk IV or B77 Mk II to see why their open reel decks keep running strong and clear under constant use a good twenty, thirty and even forty years after manufacture. There are no gear upgrades or idler wear because everything is direct drive using heavy, cool running motors specific for each task and gadgetry is minimized. Heavy castings, heavy circuit boards, excellent bearings. For open reel decks, editing and splicing on a Revox is a breeze. A good analogy is Leica cameras or Zeiss microscopes which go far beyond mere product or function. It is a quality "feel", smoothness, and a solidness which is by no means inexpensive at first but worth every penny decades later. My A77 MkIV runs with the same clarity and smoothness as the day I bought it 24 years ago and it is a rare CD recorder / player which even comes close musically despite how pretty today's digital specifications may look on paper. Revox overrated? No. It'll probably keep running just as perfectly long after I'm gone. Bob >From: "Anthony Samuel" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Revox tandberg >Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:13:59 -0500 > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Surf and talk on the phone at the same time with broadband Internet access. Get high-speed for as low as $29.95/month (depending on the local service providers in your area). https://broadband.msn.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From copytec at coqui.net Sat Oct 18 06:37:19 2003 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlitos Jr.) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 23:37:19 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? References: <3F8D3294.148B575E@vogue.co.uk><00dc01c394c8$fa4e2060$01773242@coqui.net> <00ae01c394d2$ed554fa0$8d106343@johnnyrotten> Message-ID: <002201c39531$843afba0$07773242@coqui.net> I'm just relocating again. The music is in the mastering computer,so, it's a matter of doing the last touches, PQ coding and burn the master. Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Tooley" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? > Carlos! Welcome back there my friend. "Back again on line guys, this is > Carlos El Magnifico. Later I'll tell you > about the Marathon Tape status." Please tell us all! > > John T. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carlitos Jr." > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 12:09 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? > > > Every deck has its weaknesses and strenghts. My experience with the 3014-A > is that it is one of the best decks ever to record on it. Problems ? As Ron > said: mostly mechanical. The belt brakes , but that's all. My Revoxes B 215 > and complex Naks like 700 ZXL and 1000 ZXL has broken much more than this > Tandberg. > > Back again on line guys, this is Carlos El Magnifico. Later I'll tell you > about the Marathon Tape status. > > Best and happy to be back ! > > Carlos The Tape Man > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 6:42 AM > Subject: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? > > > > I have a question regarding the Tandberg TCD-3014. I've read > > from earlier posts that it's more prone to failure than the > > Nakamichi decks. I think it was Stephen Sank that once said > > Nakamichis and ReVox lasted a hell of a lot longer than > > Tandbergs. In any case I just want someone to clarify what > > kind of failure we're talking about (i.e. is it mechanical > > parts or electrical?). What about alternative replacement > > parts for belts etc.. > > > > In any case, if I want a deck that can stand the test of time > > or without being prone to breackdowns should I stay away from > > Tandbergs and focus more on classic Nak decks? > > > > Thanks in advance, > > Michael > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From copytec at coqui.net Sat Oct 18 06:41:47 2003 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlitos Jr.) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 23:41:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Revox tandberg References: Message-ID: <003401c39532$24064540$07773242@coqui.net> Ha, ha,ha, ! That's nice. Ugly, yes, Expensive too, over-rated ?, well, I don't think so. But everyone has opinions. I've been fortunated enough to live with over 20 different beasts for more than 15 years,so, I have had the opportunity to test and re-test, compare and make shoot-outs between all models you can ever imagine under real life situations and that's how I have come to my conclusions,but, I agree in something: these decks are not for everyone. Thanks for your input. Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: Anthony Samuel To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 2:13 PM Subject: [naktalk] Revox tandberg Hi I believe Revox and Tandberg decks are highly overated. Ive seen these decks in action and i was not really impressed. There decks are huge and ugly and take up too much space. Im sure service is also very expensive too. 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URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Oct 18 00:55:14 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 23:55:14 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Revox tandberg In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <004a01c39501$ba1d63a0$e3d3883e@oemcomputer> I think it depends on what you are rating! If you are looking for a really great flat response, you'll probably find the ReVox B215 or the Tandberg hard to beat even with most Nak's ... But if you are looking for great replay, there may well be decks to beat them, not least the Nak Dragon. Having said that, to my ear, my modified ZX9 beats my unmodified CR7 and the Revox B215 (while it was working.) There again, if you are thinking about getting spares ... Revox and, I believe Tandberg, are still producing them. Some Nakamichi spares, on the other hand, are getting as rare as hen's teeth unless you start cannibalising old decks ... As I say, it depends on what it is you are rating! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Anthony Samuel Sent: 17 October 2003 20:14 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Revox tandberg Hi I believe Revox and Tandberg decks are highly overated. Ive seen these decks in action and i was not really impressed. There decks are huge and ugly and take up too much space. Im sure service is also very expensive too. Decks in my collection Aiwa ADF-770 Aiwa ADF-990 Nakamichi CR-3A Yamaha KX-930 Teac V-95RX Anthony Samuel ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Cheer a special someone with a fun Halloween eCard from American Greetings! --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.525 / Virus Database: 322 - Release Date: 09/10/03 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From martinferreira at hotmail.com Sat Oct 18 13:23:35 2003 From: martinferreira at hotmail.com (martinferreira at hotmail.com) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 11:23:35 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Voltage conversion Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kjbleus at charter.net Sat Oct 18 16:02:43 2003 From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 09:02:43 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Durability of Cassette Decks Message-ID: <007701c39580$836988f0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6> So the Tandberg TCD-3014 A is a great perfoming deck, when its belts are healthy, and the Revox B-215 is a superior recording deck, and runs forever. How do these two stack up to the most durable Nakamichi deck? Nak decks have voliminous options for the discerning audio enthusiast to harp over, no doubt, but where is the balance between ultra performance and durability? For the record, what is the most durable Nak deck? Maybe the original 700 or 1000? Or perhaps one of the ZX series?? Bienvenida dorso al grupo , Carlos! Bleus ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carlitos Jr." > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 12:09 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? > > > Every deck has its weaknesses and strenghts. My experience with the 3014-A > is that it is one of the best decks ever to record on it. Problems ? As Ron > said: mostly mechanical. The belt brakes , but that's all. My Revoxes B 215 > and complex Naks like 700 ZXL and 1000 ZXL has broken much more than this > Tandberg. > > Back again on line guys, this is Carlos El Magnifico. Later I'll tell you > about the Marathon Tape status. > > Best and happy to be back ! > > Carlos The Tape Man > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 6:42 AM > Subject: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? > > > > I have a question regarding the Tandberg TCD-3014. I've read > > from earlier posts that it's more prone to failure than the > > Nakamichi decks. I think it was Stephen Sank that once said > > Nakamichis and ReVox lasted a hell of a lot longer than > > Tandbergs. In any case I just want someone to clarify what > > kind of failure we're talking about (i.e. is it mechanical > > parts or electrical?). What about alternative replacement > > parts for belts etc.. > > > > In any case, if I want a deck that can stand the test of time > > or without being prone to breackdowns should I stay away from > > Tandbergs and focus more on classic Nak decks? > > > > Thanks in advance, > > Michael > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From copytec at coqui.net Sat Oct 18 15:10:48 2003 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlitos Jr.) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 08:10:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Revox tandberg References: Message-ID: <003001c39579$4193e9e0$42773242@coqui.net> That's right, Bob. 8 out of 10 recording studios uses Studer, the professional counterpart of Revoxes. Others prefer Otari. You'll never see a master playback deck in a mastering room other than an Studer. Here in Puerto Rico we still have one automated radio station using Revox A-77 for nearly 40 years and still going. Parts availability is second to none and the people at Revox are very nice to deal with. Plus: they are far more easy to service than any other deck because of their modular design. Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: bwana747 _ To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 11:55 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Revox tandberg The acid test for any tape deck's quality is in broadcast or professional studio applications. Revox shines in this department for both radio and recording studio tasks. In 20+ years of broadcasting I've never had one fail me, or anyone I've met. One merely need open up the case of any Revox PR77, A77 Mk IV or B77 Mk II to see why their open reel decks keep running strong and clear under constant use a good twenty, thirty and even forty years after manufacture. There are no gear upgrades or idler wear because everything is direct drive using heavy, cool running motors specific for each task and gadgetry is minimized. Heavy castings, heavy circuit boards, excellent bearings. For open reel decks, editing and splicing on a Revox is a breeze. A good analogy is Leica cameras or Zeiss microscopes which go far beyond mere product or function. It is a quality "feel", smoothness, and a solidness which is by no means inexpensive at first but worth every penny decades later. My A77 MkIV runs with the same clarity and smoothness as the day I bought it 24 years ago and it is a rare CD recorder / player which even comes close musically despite how pretty today's digital specifications may look on paper. Revox overrated? No. It'll probably keep running just as perfectly long after I'm gone. Bob >From: "Anthony Samuel" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Revox tandberg >Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:13:59 -0500 > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Surf and talk on the phone at the same time with broadband Internet access. Get high-speed for as low as $29.95/month (depending on the local service providers in your area). https://broadband.msn.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hi I believe Revox and Tandberg decks are highly overated. Ive seen these decks in action and i was not really impressed. There decks are huge and ugly and take up too much space. Im sure service is also very expensive too. Decks in my collection Aiwa ADF-770 Aiwa ADF-990 Nakamichi CR-3A Yamaha KX-930 Teac V-95RX Anthony Samuel ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Cheer a special someone with a fun Halloween eCard from American Greetings! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From copytec at coqui.net Sat Oct 18 15:17:01 2003 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlitos Jr.) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 08:17:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Revox tandberg References: <004a01c39501$ba1d63a0$e3d3883e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <004501c3957a$2485c0c0$42773242@coqui.net> Definetely. I have to agree with my brit's brother here. For recording, well, I'm sorry but I still prefer the flatness and natural sound of the Europeans. For playback, it's a complete different story. Many of you in this list knows that I perefer my Dragon for playback but not for recording. Anyway, I have to add, that many times you have an special ocassion where non-so famous brands produce very high rated components that even rival the top ones. Example: the Technics R to R decks like the 1500,1506 and the venerable 1700. Simply amazing. That's life. Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: Nelson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 5:55 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Revox tandberg I think it depends on what you are rating! If you are looking for a really great flat response, you'll probably find the ReVox B215 or the Tandberg hard to beat even with most Nak's ... But if you are looking for great replay, there may well be decks to beat them, not least the Nak Dragon. Having said that, to my ear, my modified ZX9 beats my unmodified CR7 and the Revox B215 (while it was working.) There again, if you are thinking about getting spares ... Revox and, I believe Tandberg, are still producing them. Some Nakamichi spares, on the other hand, are getting as rare as hen's teeth unless you start cannibalising old decks ... As I say, it depends on what it is you are rating! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Anthony Samuel Sent: 17 October 2003 20:14 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Revox tandberg Hi I believe Revox and Tandberg decks are highly overated. Ive seen these decks in action and i was not really impressed. There decks are huge and ugly and take up too much space. Im sure service is also very expensive too. 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URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Oct 18 15:51:51 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 09:51:51 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Voltage conversion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F914577.1050204@rcn.com> martinferreira at hotmail.com wrote: > > > I have a question regading voltage conversion on the CR7 (not 7A) and a CR3A. > I would like to take them to Europe and operate them without a step down > transformer. > > My question is are the mains transformers in these machines dual voltage? > I understand the CR3A may not be because it was made for 120 volt countries. > However, may one with simple soldering be able to alter the voltage on the mains > transformer in the CR7 as it is possible to do with other equipment like QUAD > amps, tuners, preamps that do not have a voltage selector switch but whose mains > transformers are indeed dual voltage. > > Martin Based on the CR-7/CR-7A/CR-7E service manual, there are 3 power transformers in use. The CR-7A transformer has one 115V primary. The CR-7E has 240V, tapped at 220V, primary. This is wired differently for the the UK, Australia and Europe markets. The CR-7 has a dual primary transformer, with a slide switch that allows selection between 120V and 220-240V. Looks like, if you do not have that slide switch on the rear panel (the hole for it will be there, covered with a small plate), then your deck is for *either* 115V *or* 220/240V, but not both. I am saying 'looks like', because it's possible they came out with a different power transformer after the version of my service manual was published. It is also possible they shipped CR-7s with the dual primary transformer, but without the slide switch. To verify, just remove the cover and take a peek inside. -- Ron From copytec at coqui.net Sat Oct 18 15:19:56 2003 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlitos Jr.) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 08:19:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Revox tandberg - what is the best non-Nak deck evermade? References: Message-ID: <005501c3957a$8e19a560$42773242@coqui.net> That's a little bit difficult, Stan. The B 215 is already a legend by itself but I have to add that my experience with the Tandberg 3014 A is almost the same as with the Revox. I still have one B 710 MK II, the predecessor of the B 215, and it's a very good deck too. In short words: besides the Naks, Tandberg and Revox for me. Nothing else. Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: Stan Targowski To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 9:17 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Revox tandberg - what is the best non-Nak deck evermade? I have to disagree, at least regarding Revox. Their 215 deck is built like a tank, and is probably one of the best 3 decks ever made, considering durability, cost of ownership, playback and recording. I would dare to say that it is the best non-Nakamichi deck ever made. Any comments from the group - what in your opinion is the single best non-Nak ever made? Stan -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Anthony Samuel Sent: Fri, October 17, 2003 2:14 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Revox tandberg Hi I believe Revox and Tandberg decks are highly overated. Ive seen these decks in action and i was not really impressed. There decks are huge and ugly and take up too much space. Im sure service is also very expensive too. 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URL: From britri at comcast.net Sat Oct 18 16:44:57 2003 From: britri at comcast.net (Brian Stocker) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 07:44:57 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Revox tandberg References: Message-ID: <3F9151E9.4090101@comcast.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmtooley at ce.net Sat Oct 18 17:01:40 2003 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 11:01:40 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Revox tandberg - what is the best non-Nak deck evermade? References: Message-ID: <00ea01c39588$bceee6d0$2c106343@johnnyrotten> I'll second that. I owned a new Aiwa 990 which had it all Dolby B & C, HX etc, etc and recorded many, many cassettes with it, a great machine home based machine. But a ReVox B215 is in another league altogether! I have two BN215's, both lovingly restored by Stephen Sank, and they are built like tanks, and yes they do take up as much room as one, but the stable, open cassette sound is wonderful and preferred to my two previous Nakamichi 700 and 700 II machines. John T. ----- Original Message ----- From: Stan Targowski To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 10:17 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Revox tandberg - what is the best non-Nak deck evermade? I have to disagree, at least regarding Revox. Their 215 deck is built like a tank, and is probably one of the best 3 decks ever made, considering durability, cost of ownership, playback and recording. I would dare to say that it is the best non-Nakamichi deck ever made. Any comments from the group - what in your opinion is the single best non-Nak ever made? Stan -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Anthony Samuel Sent: Fri, October 17, 2003 2:14 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Revox tandberg Hi I believe Revox and Tandberg decks are highly overated. Ive seen these decks in action and i was not really impressed. There decks are huge and ugly and take up too much space. Im sure service is also very expensive too. Decks in my collection Aiwa ADF-770 Aiwa ADF-990 Nakamichi CR-3A Yamaha KX-930 Teac V-95RX Anthony Samuel ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Cheer a special someone with a fun Halloween eCard from American Greetings! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From msyoder at border.net Sat Oct 18 16:57:02 2003 From: msyoder at border.net (Michael S. Yoder) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 09:57:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Revox tandberg Message-ID: <007801c39588$18162060$83f4c1cf@jnorris.ttu.edu> Well, when talking about cassette machines and reliability, what about the Tascam 122 series, like the current 122MkIII? I see more of these than anything else in studio settings (including radio stations, etc.) As for sound, I love my 112 MkII, the 2-head "junior sibling" of the 3-head 122 MkIII. Michael Yoder -----Original Message----- From: Carlitos Jr. To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Date: Saturday, October 18, 2003 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Revox tandberg That's right, Bob. 8 out of 10 recording studios uses Studer, the professional counterpart of Revoxes. Others prefer Otari. You'll never see a master playback deck in a mastering room other than an Studer. Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: bwana747 _ To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 11:55 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Revox tandberg The acid test for any tape deck's quality is in broadcast or professional studio applications. Revox shines in this department for both radio and recording studio tasks. In 20+ years of broadcasting I've never had one fail me, or anyone I've met. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmtooley at ce.net Sat Oct 18 17:39:41 2003 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 11:39:41 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? References: <3F8D3294.148B575E@vogue.co.uk><00dc01c394c8$fa4e2060$01773242@coqui.net><00ae01c394d2$ed554fa0$8d106343@johnnyrotten> <002201c39531$843afba0$07773242@coqui.net> Message-ID: <00f001c3958e$0c733f80$2c106343@johnnyrotten> Great Carlos, where are you now located? Can't wait to hear our marathon CD('s)! John T. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carlitos Jr." To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 12:37 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? I'm just relocating again. The music is in the mastering computer,so, it's a matter of doing the last touches, PQ coding and burn the master. Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Tooley" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? > Carlos! Welcome back there my friend. "Back again on line guys, this is > Carlos El Magnifico. Later I'll tell you > about the Marathon Tape status." Please tell us all! > > John T. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carlitos Jr." > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 12:09 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? > > > Every deck has its weaknesses and strenghts. My experience with the 3014-A > is that it is one of the best decks ever to record on it. Problems ? As Ron > said: mostly mechanical. The belt brakes , but that's all. My Revoxes B 215 > and complex Naks like 700 ZXL and 1000 ZXL has broken much more than this > Tandberg. > > Back again on line guys, this is Carlos El Magnifico. Later I'll tell you > about the Marathon Tape status. > > Best and happy to be back ! > > Carlos The Tape Man > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 6:42 AM > Subject: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? > > > > I have a question regarding the Tandberg TCD-3014. I've read > > from earlier posts that it's more prone to failure than the > > Nakamichi decks. I think it was Stephen Sank that once said > > Nakamichis and ReVox lasted a hell of a lot longer than > > Tandbergs. In any case I just want someone to clarify what > > kind of failure we're talking about (i.e. is it mechanical > > parts or electrical?). What about alternative replacement > > parts for belts etc.. > > > > In any case, if I want a deck that can stand the test of time > > or without being prone to breackdowns should I stay away from > > Tandbergs and focus more on classic Nak decks? > > > > Thanks in advance, > > Michael > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Sat Oct 18 17:48:57 2003 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 11:48:57 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Revox tandberg - what is the best non-Nak deck evermade? References: <005501c3957a$8e19a560$42773242@coqui.net> Message-ID: <013201c3958f$57b641d0$2c106343@johnnyrotten> I think that the B 710 Mk II is a better looker than the B 215. B 710 looks like a cassette deck whereas B 215 looks like it was born in the computer/digital age. ;-) John T. ----- Original Message ----- From: Carlitos Jr. To: stan.targowski at comcast.net ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 9:19 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Revox tandberg - what is the best non-Nak deck evermade? That's a little bit difficult, Stan. The B 215 is already a legend by itself but I have to add that my experience with the Tandberg 3014 A is almost the same as with the Revox. I still have one B 710 MK II, the predecessor of the B 215, and it's a very good deck too. In short words: besides the Naks, Tandberg and Revox for me. Nothing else. Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: Stan Targowski To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 9:17 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Revox tandberg - what is the best non-Nak deck evermade? I have to disagree, at least regarding Revox. Their 215 deck is built like a tank, and is probably one of the best 3 decks ever made, considering durability, cost of ownership, playback and recording. I would dare to say that it is the best non-Nakamichi deck ever made. Any comments from the group - what in your opinion is the single best non-Nak ever made? Stan -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Anthony Samuel Sent: Fri, October 17, 2003 2:14 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Revox tandberg Hi I believe Revox and Tandberg decks are highly overated. Ive seen these decks in action and i was not really impressed. There decks are huge and ugly and take up too much space. Im sure service is also very expensive too. 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URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Oct 18 22:45:45 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 21:45:45 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Revox tandberg In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c395b8$cfc7ba40$6fa087d9@oemcomputer> I would add that, in the UK at least, ReVox B215's were/are used for various recording applications, not just music and studios, and some of those were for 24 hours a day, 365 days a week ... Sure, they'd need maintaining but I am told by Brian Reeves (the ReVox UK equivalent to Stephen Sank ... in more ways than one! :o) ) the only things that might need replacing after a few years of that kind of use would be the capstan bearings or the capstan motors. Can't imagine our exotic CR7s or Dragon's putting up with that kind of punishment ... Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of bwana747 _ > Sent: 18 October 2003 05:56 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Revox tandberg > > > The acid test for any tape deck's quality is in broadcast or professional > studio applications. > > Revox shines in this department for both radio and recording > studio tasks. > In 20+ years of broadcasting I've never had one fail me, or > anyone I've met. > > One merely need open up the case of any Revox PR77, A77 Mk IV or > B77 Mk II > to see why their open reel decks keep running strong and clear under > constant use a good twenty, thirty and even forty years after > manufacture. > There are no gear upgrades or idler wear because everything is > direct drive > using heavy, cool running motors specific for each task and gadgetry is > minimized. Heavy castings, heavy circuit boards, excellent bearings. For > open reel decks, editing and splicing on a Revox is a breeze. > > A good analogy is Leica cameras or Zeiss microscopes which go far beyond > mere product or function. It is a quality "feel", smoothness, and a > solidness which is by no means inexpensive at first but worth every penny > decades later. My A77 MkIV runs with the same clarity and > smoothness as the > day I bought it 24 years ago and it is a rare CD recorder / player which > even comes close musically despite how pretty today's digital > specifications > may look on paper. > > Revox overrated? No. It'll probably keep running just as perfectly long > after I'm gone. > > Bob > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.525 / Virus Database: 322 - Release Date: 09/10/03 From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Oct 18 22:45:54 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 21:45:54 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Revox tandberg - what is the best non-Nak deck evermade? In-Reply-To: <00ea01c39588$bceee6d0$2c106343@johnnyrotten> Message-ID: <000101c395b8$d362e260$6fa087d9@oemcomputer> John Whatever happened to the rest of those ReVox's you bought? Still being restored? Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of John M. Tooley Sent: 18 October 2003 16:02 To: stan.targowski at comcast.net; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Revox tandberg - what is the best non-Nak deck evermade? I'll second that. I owned a new Aiwa 990 which had it all Dolby B & C, HX etc, etc and recorded many, many cassettes with it, a great machine home based machine. But a ReVox B215 is in another league altogether! I have two BN215's, both lovingly restored by Stephen Sank, and they are built like tanks, and yes they do take up as much room as one, but the stable, open cassette sound is wonderful and preferred to my two previous Nakamichi 700 and 700 II machines. John T. ----- Original Message ----- From: Stan Targowski To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 10:17 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Revox tandberg - what is the best non-Nak deck evermade? I have to disagree, at least regarding Revox. Their 215 deck is built like a tank, and is probably one of the best 3 decks ever made, considering durability, cost of ownership, playback and recording. I would dare to say that it is the best non-Nakamichi deck ever made. Any comments from the group - what in your opinion is the single best non-Nak ever made? Stan -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Anthony Samuel Sent: Fri, October 17, 2003 2:14 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Revox tandberg Hi I believe Revox and Tandberg decks are highly overated. Ive seen these decks in action and i was not really impressed. There decks are huge and ugly and take up too much space. Im sure service is also very expensive too. Decks in my collection Aiwa ADF-770 Aiwa ADF-990 Nakamichi CR-3A Yamaha KX-930 Teac V-95RX Anthony Samuel --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.525 / Virus Database: 322 - Release Date: 09/10/03 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fsamuel921 at hotmail.com Sat Oct 18 22:54:27 2003 From: fsamuel921 at hotmail.com (Anthony Samuel) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 15:54:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-3A help Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lists at richardhess.com Sat Oct 18 22:57:18 2003 From: lists at richardhess.com (Richard L. Hess) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 13:57:18 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Revox tandberg - what is the best non-Nak deck evermade? In-Reply-To: <000101c395b8$d362e260$6fa087d9@oemcomputer> References: <00ea01c39588$bceee6d0$2c106343@johnnyrotten> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20031018135541.04b9a4f0@127.0.0.1> In my opinion, there is one reason I bought a pair of Dragons for my tape restoration work: Automatic azimuth. This one feature alone makes me not consider any other deck for playback. The Studer line was very good and the Tascam line is widely used. Neither has the azimuth adjustment easily accessible as far as I can recall. Cheers, Richard From mrraven200 at hotmail.com Sun Oct 19 01:51:48 2003 From: mrraven200 at hotmail.com (Matthew Rogers) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 19:51:48 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX-100 take up problem Message-ID: I found a BX-100 at a thrift store today for 8.95. This unit barely plays but the spindles that spin the take up reel slip and tape spills out after a while. It will not fast forwward or rewind at all but these two spindels that go into into the tape turn at the correct speed with no load. If you turn them with you fingers they make a squeking sound and slip even in play mode with the power on. It sounds great wwhile it's playing. Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks!!!!!!! --Matt Rogers _________________________________________________________________ Cheer a special someone with a fun Halloween eCard from American Greetings! Go to http://www.msn.americangreetings.com/index_msn.pd?source=msne134 From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Sun Oct 19 04:06:40 2003 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 22:06:40 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 Message-ID: My 505 is now making squeaking sounds when it stops. Any quick fixes? Thanks. _________________________________________________________________ Want to check if your PC is virus-infected? Get a FREE computer virus scan online from McAfee. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From copytec at coqui.net Mon Oct 20 01:21:33 2003 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlitos Jr.) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 18:21:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Durability of Cassette Decks References: <007701c39580$836988f0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6> Message-ID: <001401c39697$bcb962c0$bf773242@coqui.net> My most durable deck has been the Dragon and 700 II. ZXL's ? NONE. Revox: Service about every 4 years or so. The most durable Nak ? I don't know, Bleus, but certainly is not the 700ZXL, neither the 1000 ZXL. Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: KJ Bleus To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: KJ Bleus Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 9:02 AM Subject: [naktalk] Re: Durability of Cassette Decks So the Tandberg TCD-3014 A is a great perfoming deck, when its belts are healthy, and the Revox B-215 is a superior recording deck, and runs forever. How do these two stack up to the most durable Nakamichi deck? Nak decks have voliminous options for the discerning audio enthusiast to harp over, no doubt, but where is the balance between ultra performance and durability? For the record, what is the most durable Nak deck? Maybe the original 700 or 1000? Or perhaps one of the ZX series?? Bienvenida dorso al grupo , Carlos! Bleus ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carlitos Jr." > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 12:09 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? > > > Every deck has its weaknesses and strenghts. My experience with the 3014-A > is that it is one of the best decks ever to record on it. Problems ? As Ron > said: mostly mechanical. The belt brakes , but that's all. My Revoxes B 215 > and complex Naks like 700 ZXL and 1000 ZXL has broken much more than this > Tandberg. > > Back again on line guys, this is Carlos El Magnifico. Later I'll tell you > about the Marathon Tape status. > > Best and happy to be back ! > > Carlos The Tape Man > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 6:42 AM > Subject: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? > > > > I have a question regarding the Tandberg TCD-3014. I've read > > from earlier posts that it's more prone to failure than the > > Nakamichi decks. I think it was Stephen Sank that once said > > Nakamichis and ReVox lasted a hell of a lot longer than > > Tandbergs. In any case I just want someone to clarify what > > kind of failure we're talking about (i.e. is it mechanical > > parts or electrical?). What about alternative replacement > > parts for belts etc.. > > > > In any case, if I want a deck that can stand the test of time > > or without being prone to breackdowns should I stay away from > > Tandbergs and focus more on classic Nak decks? > > > > Thanks in advance, > > Michael > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From copytec at coqui.net Mon Oct 20 01:26:01 2003 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlitos Jr.) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 18:26:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Revox tandberg References: <007801c39588$18162060$83f4c1cf@jnorris.ttu.edu> Message-ID: <004501c39698$5c631aa0$bf773242@coqui.net> Tascam has always have a very strong presence in the Pro-Audio Arena because it is more affordable. A workhorse and one of the favorites for "audio on the road" by sound engineers. For domestic use, though, is a different story with many models far better than the Tascam decks. Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael S. Yoder To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 9:57 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Revox tandberg Well, when talking about cassette machines and reliability, what about the Tascam 122 series, like the current 122MkIII? I see more of these than anything else in studio settings (including radio stations, etc.) As for sound, I love my 112 MkII, the 2-head "junior sibling" of the 3-head 122 MkIII. Michael Yoder -----Original Message----- From: Carlitos Jr. To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Date: Saturday, October 18, 2003 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Revox tandberg That's right, Bob. 8 out of 10 recording studios uses Studer, the professional counterpart of Revoxes. Others prefer Otari. You'll never see a master playback deck in a mastering room other than an Studer. Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: bwana747 _ To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 11:55 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Revox tandberg The acid test for any tape deck's quality is in broadcast or professional studio applications. Revox shines in this department for both radio and recording studio tasks. In 20+ years of broadcasting I've never had one fail me, or anyone I've met. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From copytec at coqui.net Mon Oct 20 01:26:45 2003 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlitos Jr.) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 18:26:45 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? References: <3F8D3294.148B575E@vogue.co.uk><00dc01c394c8$fa4e2060$01773242@coqui.net><00ae01c394d2$ed554fa0$8d106343@johnnyrotten><002201c39531$843afba0$07773242@coqui.net> <00f001c3958e$0c733f80$2c106343@johnnyrotten> Message-ID: <004b01c39698$769b7200$bf773242@coqui.net> I'm back in the Caribbean. You'll hear the CD soon ! Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Tooley" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? > Great Carlos, where are you now located? Can't wait to hear our marathon > CD('s)! > > John T. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carlitos Jr." > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 12:37 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? > > > I'm just relocating again. The music is in the mastering computer,so, it's a > matter of doing the last touches, PQ coding and burn the master. > > Carlos > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John M. Tooley" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 12:20 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? > > > > Carlos! Welcome back there my friend. "Back again on line guys, this is > > Carlos El Magnifico. Later I'll tell you > > about the Marathon Tape status." Please tell us all! > > > > John T. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Carlitos Jr." > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 12:09 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? > > > > > > Every deck has its weaknesses and strenghts. My experience with the 3014-A > > is that it is one of the best decks ever to record on it. Problems ? As > Ron > > said: mostly mechanical. The belt brakes , but that's all. My Revoxes B > 215 > > and complex Naks like 700 ZXL and 1000 ZXL has broken much more than this > > Tandberg. > > > > Back again on line guys, this is Carlos El Magnifico. Later I'll tell you > > about the Marathon Tape status. > > > > Best and happy to be back ! > > > > Carlos The Tape Man > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Michael" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 6:42 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? > > > > > > > I have a question regarding the Tandberg TCD-3014. I've read > > > from earlier posts that it's more prone to failure than the > > > Nakamichi decks. I think it was Stephen Sank that once said > > > Nakamichis and ReVox lasted a hell of a lot longer than > > > Tandbergs. In any case I just want someone to clarify what > > > kind of failure we're talking about (i.e. is it mechanical > > > parts or electrical?). What about alternative replacement > > > parts for belts etc.. > > > > > > In any case, if I want a deck that can stand the test of time > > > or without being prone to breackdowns should I stay away from > > > Tandbergs and focus more on classic Nak decks? > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > Michael > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From gwmunger at bestweb.net Mon Oct 20 05:59:02 2003 From: gwmunger at bestweb.net (GEORGE) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 23:59:02 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Which deck is BEST? References: <200310191000.h9JA0XTV011780@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <001101c396be$8171fe30$5001b3d8@MN13683> Hello Nak talkers. I am the proud owner, of some great (what many refer to as 'the best') cassette units; REVOX B215, TANDBERG 3014A and a NAK DRAGON, along with some other great non-cassette, high-quality recording gear, including Tascam open-reel, Sony DAT and Phillips CD-R units. In my not-so-humble, humble opinion, I can not name 'the best', unless the term is qualified, or in other words, 'defined further', since 'best' to me, does not adequately define by itself, how I can answer the question. I will try to make my point, by example, but please remember that this is just my own 'take' on the topic, and some (but not a huge amount) effort was made to be brief. (Note: financial cost values were not considered in this writing). Please take, for instance, 'durability', which is an important category. Durability to me, refers to mechanical or electrical reliability, and the ability to stay faultless over time, and, after moving the unit from location to location. I have only one unit, which has never, while in my possession, had a malfunction; that distinction belongs to the Revox B215, (by the way, I think the Revox, is more like a B1 bomber, than a tank). So, for DURABILITY, I would rank my Revox B215 as 'best'. I will add that I think Qualified service is an issue, for virtually ANY piece of high-quality, legacy-technology gear. Fortunately, this web site is a good place to locate qualified tech support for Nak gear. I have been told that parts are more accessable for the Revox unit, when compared to the Dragon; while the Tandberg is the most difficult of the 3 mentioned, to find parts and service. But you may want to double-check this out for your self. Comparing all 3 units, I have found the Tandberg 3014A, to have suffered from the most problems (those problems all being mechanical - the Tandberg's buttons loosing their spring action - Note: I have not encountered the Nak-orange-cap problem on my Dragon, yet). However, the 3014A has the smoothest, warmest, fullest sound, especially for recording/playing orchestral pieces, per my experience when dubbing from vinyl to cassette or CD to cassette. So, for DURABILITY, the Tandberg does not do as well as the other 2, but it is 'best' for me, when 'listening' to classical music, or whenever I desire a less 'clinical' sound. This category, to me, is very important (maybe most important), but still, does not indicate which is the 'best' unit. My Dragon, is my most often used unit, overall. It can play ANY tape (which I have a large variety) very nicely, regardless on what unit the tape was recorded on, and it plays those 'different-deck' recordings, better than the other 2 units do, when playing 'different-record-deck' tapes. I also find the Dragon is excellent for recording/playing many (but not necessarily all) rock and new-age music. So my Dragon is 'best' in this 'different-record-deck' category and 'new music' category. I also find the Dragon easiest to set-up for playback. Playback ease-of-use may be important to those, with less time to make adjustments. I do note, however, that the Dragon's switch-panel layout might have been better, had the designers spent more time on ergonomics; but once you get use to it, it is ok). I believe that each unit has some specific advantages, not shared with the others. Each of you Nakers, will have your own priorities, and many characteristics will be perceived differently, on an individual basis. So it is not always easy to find agreement, with so many factors to measure. I think the discussion on this topic has been quite valuable, not necessarily in every specific opinion, but in the presentation of the many issues, which confront us, when deciding, how to select the unit which will best satisfy our needs. By the way, when it comes to aesthitics, I think each of you are all your best judge. I personally, do not overly concern myself with how handsome, (or ugly), a unit is, when speaking of performance; since what LOOKS best to me, may have no direct relationship as to the machines' use or to the 'sound'. Can I answer your question of which cassette deck is best? Sure I can, but be ready to answer some of my questions, first. Happy listening. George Munger ----- Original Message ----- From: > 3. RE: Revox tandberg - what is the best non-Nak deck evermade? From jmtooley at ce.net Mon Oct 20 01:58:20 2003 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 19:58:20 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Man References: <3F8D3294.148B575E@vogue.co.uk><00dc01c394c8$fa4e2060$01773242@coqui.net><00ae01c394d2$ed554fa0$8d106343@johnnyrotten><002201c39531$843afba0$07773242@coqui.net><00f001c3958e$0c733f80$2c106343@johnnyrotten> <004b01c39698$769b7200$bf773242@coqui.net> Message-ID: <002d01c3969c$dff7a800$62116343@johnnyrotten> Ah! the Caribbean, what could be sweeter with fall/winter heading here. I really enjoyed Jamaica a little while back! "No Woman No Cry". Can't wait to hear that CD! Will it have US and European input? Peace Carlos. John T. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carlitos Jr." To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 7:26 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? I'm back in the Caribbean. You'll hear the CD soon ! Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Tooley" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? > Great Carlos, where are you now located? Can't wait to hear our marathon > CD('s)! > > John T. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carlitos Jr." > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 12:37 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? > > > I'm just relocating again. The music is in the mastering computer,so, it's a > matter of doing the last touches, PQ coding and burn the master. > > Carlos > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John M. Tooley" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 12:20 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? > > > > Carlos! Welcome back there my friend. "Back again on line guys, this is > > Carlos El Magnifico. Later I'll tell you > > about the Marathon Tape status." Please tell us all! > > > > John T. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Carlitos Jr." > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 12:09 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? > > > > > > Every deck has its weaknesses and strenghts. My experience with the 3014-A > > is that it is one of the best decks ever to record on it. Problems ? As > Ron > > said: mostly mechanical. The belt brakes , but that's all. My Revoxes B > 215 > > and complex Naks like 700 ZXL and 1000 ZXL has broken much more than this > > Tandberg. > > > > Back again on line guys, this is Carlos El Magnifico. Later I'll tell you > > about the Marathon Tape status. > > > > Best and happy to be back ! > > > > Carlos The Tape Man > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Michael" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 6:42 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? > > > > > > > I have a question regarding the Tandberg TCD-3014. I've read > > > from earlier posts that it's more prone to failure than the > > > Nakamichi decks. I think it was Stephen Sank that once said > > > Nakamichis and ReVox lasted a hell of a lot longer than > > > Tandbergs. In any case I just want someone to clarify what > > > kind of failure we're talking about (i.e. is it mechanical > > > parts or electrical?). What about alternative replacement > > > parts for belts etc.. > > > > > > In any case, if I want a deck that can stand the test of time > > > or without being prone to breackdowns should I stay away from > > > Tandbergs and focus more on classic Nak decks? > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > Michael > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From Modernizy at netscape.net Mon Oct 20 06:28:42 2003 From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 00:28:42 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Vote for the best Non-Naks Message-ID: <0B1D6367.058D46C5.026D48C1@netscape.net> To name a few... (just the ones I remember right now): Technics RS-9900 (two-box), RS-B965 TEAC C-1, Z-7000, Z-6000, V-8000, V-6030, V-8030 Pioneer CT-91, CT-93, CT-95 Aiwa XK-007, XK-009, XK-S9000, XK-S7000, AD-F990 Akai (A&D) GX-9, GX-F91, GX-Z9100, GX-Z7100, GX-95II, GX-75II JVC TD-V1010 Alpine AL-90, AL-85, Tandberg 3004, 3014 Revox B-215 Arcam Delta 100 Sony TC-K777ES, TC-K909ES, TC-K808ES, TC-K990ES, TC-K970ES, TC-K950ES, TC-KA7ES, TC-KA5ES, TC-KA6ES Nicholas. __________________________________________________________________ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. 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Go to http://www.msn.americangreetings.com/index_msn.pd?source=msne134 From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Oct 20 04:00:47 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 22:00:47 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX-100 take up problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F9341CF.80804@rcn.com> Matthew Rogers wrote: > I found a BX-100 at a thrift store today for 8.95. This unit barely > plays but the spindles that spin the take up reel slip and tape spills > out after a while. It will not fast forwward or rewind at all but these > two spindels that go into into the tape turn at the correct speed with > no load. If you turn them with you fingers they make a squeking sound > and slip even in play mode with the power on. It sounds great wwhile > it's playing. Any help would be much appreciated. > > Thanks!!!!!!! > > --Matt Rogers > Normally, when you get a $60 unit for less than $10, it needs $100 worth of repairs :-). However, since your BX-100 plays well, you may have lucked out and all it needs is a new idler tire. These tires are quite cheap and replacing them is not difficult. While the deck is open, it's a good idea to clean and demagnetize the heads, lubricate the control cam, etc. -- Ron From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Oct 20 00:41:02 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 08:41:02 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] BX-100 take up problem Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D1EE@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Yep it's the ol' rubber idler wheel problem. The problem lies behind the black metal plate that covers the reel take-up guides. The best thing to do is to visit good ol' Jeff Galin's website on how to replace or at least get to the idler wheel and clean it up. Here is the URL.... http://www.eslabs.com/idler.htm Hope this helps. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Rogers [mailto:mrraven200 at hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, 19 October 2003 9:52 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] BX-100 take up problem I found a BX-100 at a thrift store today for 8.95. This unit barely plays but the spindles that spin the take up reel slip and tape spills out after a while. It will not fast forwward or rewind at all but these two spindels that go into into the tape turn at the correct speed with no load. If you turn them with you fingers they make a squeking sound and slip even in play mode with the power on. It sounds great wwhile it's playing. Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks!!!!!!! --Matt Rogers _________________________________________________________________ Cheer a special someone with a fun Halloween eCard from American Greetings! Go to http://www.msn.americangreetings.com/index_msn.pd?source=msne134 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Oct 20 01:10:09 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 09:10:09 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D1F1@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Carlos! Welcome back, consider this a virtual hug from me :) Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Carlitos Jr. [mailto:copytec at coqui.net] Sent: Saturday, 18 October 2003 2:09 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? Every deck has its weaknesses and strenghts. My experience with the 3014-A is that it is one of the best decks ever to record on it. Problems ? As Ron said: mostly mechanical. The belt brakes , but that's all. My Revoxes B 215 and complex Naks like 700 ZXL and 1000 ZXL has broken much more than this Tandberg. Back again on line guys, this is Carlos El Magnifico. Later I'll tell you about the Marathon Tape status. Best and happy to be back ! Carlos The Tape Man ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 6:42 AM Subject: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? > I have a question regarding the Tandberg TCD-3014. I've read > from earlier posts that it's more prone to failure than the > Nakamichi decks. I think it was Stephen Sank that once said > Nakamichis and ReVox lasted a hell of a lot longer than > Tandbergs. In any case I just want someone to clarify what > kind of failure we're talking about (i.e. is it mechanical > parts or electrical?). What about alternative replacement > parts for belts etc.. > > In any case, if I want a deck that can stand the test of time > or without being prone to breackdowns should I stay away from > Tandbergs and focus more on classic Nak decks? > > Thanks in advance, > Michael > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr Mon Oct 20 11:50:40 2003 From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:50:40 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Revox tandberg References: Message-ID: <006a01c396ef$a22faf10$1210a8c0@TG> Those who have already used and been using are well aware of how Revox machines, since 3/4 generations, more than 30 years, are recoginised with their performance especially with 4 direct drive (belt free) motors as developed by Mr. Studer. mainly used as good as in radio broadcasting!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: Anthony Samuel To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 10:13 PM Subject: [naktalk] Revox tandberg Hi I believe Revox and Tandberg decks are highly overated. Ive seen these decks in action and i was not really impressed. There decks are huge and ugly and take up too much space. Im sure service is also very expensive too. Decks in my collection Aiwa ADF-770 Aiwa ADF-990 Nakamichi CR-3A Yamaha KX-930 Teac V-95RX Anthony Samuel ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Cheer a special someone with a fun Halloween eCard from American Greetings! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Is any one using these decks with a home stereo without any trouble? Are there any tricks needed to hook it up? Thanks, Stanley -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From RTLehe at aol.com Mon Oct 20 17:48:44 2003 From: RTLehe at aol.com (RTLehe at aol.com) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:48:44 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Which deck is BEST? Message-ID: <480457C4.5F2AE05E.0004E774@aol.com> Thanks for your interestings reflections on your considerable experience with some top-drawer decks. But one question--aren't you bothered at all by the upward response slope in the frequencies above 10,000 hz when playing tapes made on other decks. My BX300 does not have the azimuth adjustment, but on most tapes made on other decks I have to toke down the treble about 4 db to make it sound good. The azimuth adjustment may be good for maximizing the high end from tapes recorded on decks with badly adjusted azimuth, but it does not help with tapes that were accurately recorded on decks with the industry standard playback response. Tad From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Oct 20 15:10:15 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 23:10:15 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] RX- 505 Squeaking (Tom Siomopoulos) Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D1F9@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Neil. Are you referring to the attachment or the actual e-mail? Regards, Tom. -----Original Message----- From: neil lipes [mailto:neillipes628 at hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, 20 October 2003 10:22 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] RX- 505 Squeaking (Tom Siomopoulos) Dear Tom: Thanks for this information. I can't download your information due to the font size. I attempted to change same at my end...Not able to. Any way you can reduce the size of the information? If not I will pay for postage to mail to me. By size I mean standard 81/2 by 11. Thank you! NeilLipes _________________________________________________________________ Cheer a special someone with a fun Halloween eCard from American Greetings! Go to http://www.msn.americangreetings.com/index_msn.pd?source=msne134 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From khmerideth at anderson.edu Tue Oct 21 00:14:48 2003 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:14:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Buying an Mr -1 or Mr-2 Message-ID: Stanley, The MR-1 has balanced XLR inputs/outputs on the back panel, as well as balanced 1/4" phone jack inputs on the front (these connections are for professional studio equipment). The unbalanced inputs/outputs on the back panel are 1/4" phone jacks (these connections are for the average home system). Therefore, the connecting cables to your home system should have 1/4" phone plugs on the ends going to the MR-1 and RCA phono plugs on the ends going to the pre-amp/receiver. My MR-1's are just fine in my home system in this configuration. My suggestion is to go with the MR-1 for the better quality heads and off-tape monitoring. Be sure to determine if the gear-modification has been added or if it still has the idler wheel drive mechanism. If the latter, you will have to periodically clean the idler wheel, to keep it from slipping, and replace the idler every 2-4 years. This is true of either the MR-1 or MR-2. Best regards, Kent Merideth >>> icarus6 at telusplanet.net 10/20/03 09:16AM >>> Hello, i am thinking of buying a Mr-1 or a Mr-2 to use with a home stereo. I plan to use it either through Audio research Sp9 pre amp into a Nakamichi PA-7 or with my nakamichi receiver. I am concerned with compatibility, the professional series decks are unbalanced. Is any one using these decks with a home stereo without any trouble? Are there any tricks needed to hook it up? Thanks, Stanley -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From copytec at coqui.net Tue Oct 21 03:08:22 2003 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlitos Jr.) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 20:08:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Man References: <3F8D3294.148B575E@vogue.co.uk><00dc01c394c8$fa4e2060$01773242@coqui.net><00ae01c394d2$ed554fa0$8d106343@johnnyrotten><002201c39531$843afba0$07773242@coqui.net><00f001c3958e$0c733f80$2c106343@johnnyrotten><004b01c39698$769b7200$bf773242@coqui.net> <002d01c3969c$dff7a800$62116343@johnnyrotten> Message-ID: <002801c3976f$d2fd8560$aa773242@coqui.net> Yes, it will have selections from US, Europe, Australia and Thailand. Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Tooley" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 6:58 PM Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Man > Ah! the Caribbean, what could be sweeter with fall/winter heading here. I > really enjoyed Jamaica a little while back! "No Woman No Cry". Can't wait to > hear that CD! Will it have US and European input? > > Peace Carlos. > > John T. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carlitos Jr." > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 7:26 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? > > > I'm back in the Caribbean. You'll hear the CD soon ! > > Carlos > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John M. Tooley" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 10:39 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? > > > > Great Carlos, where are you now located? Can't wait to hear our marathon > > CD('s)! > > > > John T. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Carlitos Jr." > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 12:37 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? > > > > > > I'm just relocating again. The music is in the mastering computer,so, it's > a > > matter of doing the last touches, PQ coding and burn the master. > > > > Carlos > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John M. Tooley" > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 12:20 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? > > > > > > > Carlos! Welcome back there my friend. "Back again on line guys, this is > > > Carlos El Magnifico. Later I'll tell you > > > about the Marathon Tape status." Please tell us all! > > > > > > John T. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Carlitos Jr." > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 12:09 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? > > > > > > > > > Every deck has its weaknesses and strenghts. My experience with the > 3014-A > > > is that it is one of the best decks ever to record on it. Problems ? As > > Ron > > > said: mostly mechanical. The belt brakes , but that's all. My Revoxes B > > 215 > > > and complex Naks like 700 ZXL and 1000 ZXL has broken much more than > this > > > Tandberg. > > > > > > Back again on line guys, this is Carlos El Magnifico. Later I'll tell > you > > > about the Marathon Tape status. > > > > > > Best and happy to be back ! > > > > > > Carlos The Tape Man > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Michael" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 6:42 AM > > > Subject: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? > > > > > > > > > > I have a question regarding the Tandberg TCD-3014. I've read > > > > from earlier posts that it's more prone to failure than the > > > > Nakamichi decks. I think it was Stephen Sank that once said > > > > Nakamichis and ReVox lasted a hell of a lot longer than > > > > Tandbergs. In any case I just want someone to clarify what > > > > kind of failure we're talking about (i.e. is it mechanical > > > > parts or electrical?). What about alternative replacement > > > > parts for belts etc.. > > > > > > > > In any case, if I want a deck that can stand the test of time > > > > or without being prone to breackdowns should I stay away from > > > > Tandbergs and focus more on classic Nak decks? > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From copytec at coqui.net Tue Oct 21 03:10:17 2003 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlitos Jr.) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 20:10:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Vote for the best Non-Naks References: <0B1D6367.058D46C5.026D48C1@netscape.net> Message-ID: <002e01c39770$178aa780$aa773242@coqui.net> That Technics RS 9900 is really something and very rare. I let one pass once at e.bay years ago. It was sold for $900's. A real collector's item. 2 chassis system. Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 11:28 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Vote for the best Non-Naks > To name a few... (just the ones I remember right now): > > Technics RS-9900 (two-box), RS-B965 > TEAC C-1, Z-7000, Z-6000, V-8000, V-6030, V-8030 > Pioneer CT-91, CT-93, CT-95 > Aiwa XK-007, XK-009, XK-S9000, XK-S7000, AD-F990 > Akai (A&D) GX-9, GX-F91, GX-Z9100, GX-Z7100, GX-95II, GX-75II > JVC TD-V1010 > Alpine AL-90, AL-85, > Tandberg 3004, 3014 > Revox B-215 > Arcam Delta 100 > Sony TC-K777ES, TC-K909ES, TC-K808ES, TC-K990ES, TC-K970ES, TC-K950ES, TC-KA7ES, TC-KA5ES, TC-KA6ES > > Nicholas. > > __________________________________________________________________ > McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. > Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! > http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 > > Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! > http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From copytec at coqui.net Tue Oct 21 03:10:49 2003 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlitos Jr.) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 20:10:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D1F1@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <003a01c39770$2adc0720$aa773242@coqui.net> Same here for you, Tom ! Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 6:10 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? > Carlos! Welcome back, consider this a virtual hug from me :) > > Tom Siomopoulos. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carlitos Jr. [mailto:copytec at coqui.net] > Sent: Saturday, 18 October 2003 2:09 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? > > > Every deck has its weaknesses and strenghts. My experience with the 3014-A > is that it is one of the best decks ever to record on it. Problems ? As Ron > said: mostly mechanical. The belt brakes , but that's all. My Revoxes B 215 > and complex Naks like 700 ZXL and 1000 ZXL has broken much more than this > Tandberg. > > Back again on line guys, this is Carlos El Magnifico. Later I'll tell you > about the Marathon Tape status. > > Best and happy to be back ! > > Carlos The Tape Man > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 6:42 AM > Subject: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? > > > > I have a question regarding the Tandberg TCD-3014. I've read > > from earlier posts that it's more prone to failure than the > > Nakamichi decks. I think it was Stephen Sank that once said > > Nakamichis and ReVox lasted a hell of a lot longer than > > Tandbergs. In any case I just want someone to clarify what > > kind of failure we're talking about (i.e. is it mechanical > > parts or electrical?). What about alternative replacement > > parts for belts etc.. > > > > In any case, if I want a deck that can stand the test of time > > or without being prone to breackdowns should I stay away from > > Tandbergs and focus more on classic Nak decks? > > > > Thanks in advance, > > Michael > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From copytec at coqui.net Tue Oct 21 03:12:40 2003 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlitos Jr.) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 20:12:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Buying an Mr -1 or Mr-2 References: <000801c39714$ce1db7a0$e6c4ad8e@ab.hsia.telus.net> Message-ID: <006501c39770$6cfda780$aa773242@coqui.net> The MR 1 is superior in sound and capabilities. It is 3 head with a digital tape counter. If you want a very nice condition MR 2, I have 3 ready to go perfectly working and cheap ! Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: Stanley Waterman To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 9:16 AM Subject: [naktalk] Buying an Mr -1 or Mr-2 Hello, i am thinking of buying a Mr-1 or a Mr-2 to use with a home stereo. I plan to use it either through Audio research Sp9 pre amp into a Nakamichi PA-7 or with my nakamichi receiver. I am concerned with compatibility, the professional series decks are unbalanced. Is any one using these decks with a home stereo without any trouble? Are there any tricks needed to hook it up? Thanks, Stanley ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From copytec at coqui.net Tue Oct 21 03:13:55 2003 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlitos Jr.) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 20:13:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Which deck is BEST? References: <480457C4.5F2AE05E.0004E774@aol.com> Message-ID: <006b01c39770$996a07a0$aa773242@coqui.net> You are right there. I guess we have to live with that when using a Nak. Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 10:48 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Which deck is BEST? > Thanks for your interestings reflections on your considerable experience with some top-drawer decks. But one question--aren't you bothered at all by the upward response slope in the frequencies above 10,000 hz when playing tapes made on other decks. My BX300 does not have the azimuth adjustment, but on most tapes made on other decks I have to toke down the treble about 4 db to make it sound good. The azimuth adjustment may be good for maximizing the high end from tapes recorded on decks with badly adjusted azimuth, but it does not help with tapes that were accurately recorded on decks with the industry standard playback response. > > Tad > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From kjbleus at charter.net Tue Oct 21 03:27:20 2003 From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 20:27:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak TD-700 Message-ID: <001e01c39772$7c57ca60$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6> Howdy Scott, I recommend that you use 60's or 90's. As long as you are using qaulity cassettes (Maxell, TDK, etc), you'll have success. Get that mobile Nak deck tuned-up to ensure best performance. Who else is using Nak mobile gear? I'm always interested in discussion on the mobile topics! Regards, K.J. Bleus Madison, Wisc USA kjbleus at charter.net ---original message--- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 07:47:35 -0400 From: "Scott Duncan" Subject: [naktalk] TD-700 To: Message-ID: <000801c396ff$f476a930$8bb30e45 at VALUED20606295> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Everybody, Mostly lurk, this is my first time posting. I recently aquired a Nak TD-700 mobile unit. What is the max length of tape I should use in this machine? Thanks. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fidelman at telcel.net.ve Tue Oct 21 06:29:12 2003 From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 00:29:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Man References: <3F8D3294.148B575E@vogue.co.uk><00dc01c394c8$fa4e2060$01773242@coqui.net><00ae01c394d2$ed554fa0$8d106343@johnnyrotten><002201c39531$843afba0$07773242@coqui.net><00f001c3958e$0c733f80$2c106343@johnnyrotten><004b01c39698$769b7200$bf773242@coqui.net><002d01c3969c$dff7a800$62116343@johnnyrotten> <002801c3976f$d2fd8560$aa773242@coqui.net> Message-ID: <001501c3978b$e4bb3bf0$c66523c8@g8nsv> Great to have you back Carlos.... Regards isy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carlitos Jr." To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 9:08 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Man > Yes, it will have selections from US, Europe, Australia and Thailand. > > Carlos > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John M. Tooley" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 6:58 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Man > > > > Ah! the Caribbean, what could be sweeter with fall/winter heading here. I > > really enjoyed Jamaica a little while back! "No Woman No Cry". Can't wait > to > > hear that CD! Will it have US and European input? > > > > Peace Carlos. > > > > John T. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Carlitos Jr." > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 7:26 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? > > > > > > I'm back in the Caribbean. You'll hear the CD soon ! > > > > Carlos > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John M. Tooley" > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 10:39 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? > > > > > > > Great Carlos, where are you now located? Can't wait to hear our marathon > > > CD('s)! > > > > > > John T. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Carlitos Jr." > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 12:37 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? > > > > > > > > > I'm just relocating again. The music is in the mastering computer,so, > it's > > a > > > matter of doing the last touches, PQ coding and burn the master. > > > > > > Carlos > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "John M. Tooley" > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 12:20 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? > > > > > > > > > > Carlos! Welcome back there my friend. "Back again on line guys, this > is > > > > Carlos El Magnifico. Later I'll tell you > > > > about the Marathon Tape status." Please tell us all! > > > > > > > > John T. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Carlitos Jr." > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > > Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 12:09 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? > > > > > > > > > > > > Every deck has its weaknesses and strenghts. My experience with the > > 3014-A > > > > is that it is one of the best decks ever to record on it. Problems ? > As > > > Ron > > > > said: mostly mechanical. The belt brakes , but that's all. My Revoxes > B > > > 215 > > > > and complex Naks like 700 ZXL and 1000 ZXL has broken much more than > > this > > > > Tandberg. > > > > > > > > Back again on line guys, this is Carlos El Magnifico. Later I'll tell > > you > > > > about the Marathon Tape status. > > > > > > > > Best and happy to be back ! > > > > > > > > Carlos The Tape Man > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Michael" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 6:42 AM > > > > Subject: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a question regarding the Tandberg TCD-3014. I've read > > > > > from earlier posts that it's more prone to failure than the > > > > > Nakamichi decks. I think it was Stephen Sank that once said > > > > > Nakamichis and ReVox lasted a hell of a lot longer than > > > > > Tandbergs. In any case I just want someone to clarify what > > > > > kind of failure we're talking about (i.e. is it mechanical > > > > > parts or electrical?). What about alternative replacement > > > > > parts for belts etc.. > > > > > > > > > > In any case, if I want a deck that can stand the test of time > > > > > or without being prone to breackdowns should I stay away from > > > > > Tandbergs and focus more on classic Nak decks? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From gwmunger at bestweb.net Tue Oct 21 04:52:19 2003 From: gwmunger at bestweb.net (GEORGE) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 22:52:19 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Excessive high-freq response References: <200310210006.h9L06iTV016752@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <001001c3977e$59b455d0$7101b3d8@MN13683> Tad, you bring up a most valid point, re: accentuated playback response above 10k hz, on non-Dragon-recorded tapes played on my Dragon. When I play rock & new-age styled music on the Dragon, undesirable (excessive) high freq. (above 10k hz) response, which is not as predictable as one might expect, is 'reduced' via diferent means. The offending energy may be 'smoothed' suffieiently, simply by sending the output signal through a vacum tube microphone preamp (I'm not sure why, but it often works), and/or, sometimes via an attenuated 1/5 octave tube eq filter (my system preamp has no mid or treble control) and the latter will tame most excesses, albeit with some compromise to the listening. I also may use a Tandberg 3014A or Revox B215 for playback, instead of the Dragon. It may also surprise you that son a few occasions, I LIKE the ACCENTUATED HIGHS! - and I leave everything as it is. (Oh dear, if some of my other 'analog-centric' friends read my writing this, they just might try to attenuate ME! ) If the situation becomes serious, AND I possess the same music on vinyl or open-reel, I may just choose to source the alternatives, instead of any of my cassette players! Tad, this may be the reason that I choose to play rock and new-age music on my Dragon, more than say classical styles of music, since (now here is a 'can-of-worms', if there ever was one) 'new-music' content has so often been so radically changed by signal procesors, that the natural acoustic characteristics of the original recorded music are lost, masked or so manipulated, that there is no longer a true reference for validation. So what I hear, is so artificial - so contrived, from the original signal, that it seems to not matter much, at this point. Another issue is that some recordings don't really have that much signal in freq's above 10k hz - especially older ones. So the most perceptable excess is accentauted hiss but not music. My eq's notch filter usually tames that beast in acceptable fashion. I could go on in even more detail, but I fear I may send some Nakers running to CD-R or something. I wish you better listening. George Munger ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 8:06 PM Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 8, Issue 27 > > 4. Re: Which deck is BEST? (RTLehe at aol.com) > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:48:44 -0400 > From: RTLehe at aol.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Which deck is BEST? > > Thanks for your interestings reflections on your considerable experience with some top-drawer decks. But one question--aren't you bothered at all by the upward response slope in the frequencies above 10,000 hz when playing tapes made on other decks. My BX300 does not have the azimuth adjustment, but on most tapes made on other decks I have to toke down the treble about 4 db to make it sound good. The azimuth adjustment may be good for maximizing the high end from tapes recorded on decks with badly adjusted azimuth, but it does not help with tapes that were accurately recorded on decks with the industry standard playback response. > > Tad > ------------------------------ From jerryjg at webtv.net Tue Oct 21 08:03:30 2003 From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 01:03:30 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [naktalk] Best Non-Naks Message-ID: <17789-3F94CC32-2008@storefull-2233.public.lawson.webtv.net> What about the Uher 1600 Portable stereo cassette decks? they were very expensive machines.thought id run it by you all even though ive only ever just heard of them. THIS from Stereo buyers guide 1992; CR-1600 3 head portable Cassette Deck: compact front loading,full electronic autoreverse,record/playback stereo cassette recorder with dolby B nr.Features 8 hour record time with built in voice activation system;2 moters;4 tracks; A/V input capability;switchable ALC with 2 time constants;seperate channel record level meters;1 and 7/8 and 1/2 I.P.S; remote soft touch solenoid controls with built in speaker;operates on dry cell,12-V,or 110/220v. FR 30-16,000 Hz,W.&F. +/- 1%. 9"by 21/4by 7and1/4' 5.75 lbs. $2,080 Another deck that caught my eye while browsing through the 1988 Annual Equipment Directory was the Fostex 460 cassete deck with manual bias adj., locks to video(?),two speed,three position tape transport memory, 24 lb. deck with 8 mike inputs- $2495.00! theres also a 1000 dollar Harmon-Kardon(model Cd-491),a 1000 dollar Onkyo(model TA-2090),and a 1500 dollar A/D/S (model C4[RO])Theres also some interesting Mid-Price Kyoceras,Proton,Luxman,Yamaha,Sansui,Dennon and even a Sherwood- in the 600 dollar to 800 dollar price range.Perhaps some of you have owned some of these great decks? thank you very much, gerald From johnsog2 at ocps.k12.fl.us Tue Oct 21 02:35:06 2003 From: johnsog2 at ocps.k12.fl.us (Johnson, Gary) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 20:35:06 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Repair Message-ID: <7D27F1A9BFDCAC429A19F86F8CE60F7B4896CD@aelmail02.ocps.k12.fl.us> Hello All, I just bought a Dragon and as many of us know, delivery can be the key to everything. FedEx delivered it to me with concealed damage. Has anyone had to file a claim before? I'll need to get it repaired if it comes down to that. Does anyone know of a place that performs high quality work? Any info, especially about filing claims is greatly appreciated. Regards, Gary Johnson --- The information contained in this e-mail message is intended solely for the recipient(s) and may contain privileged information. Tampering with or altering the contents of this message is prohibited. This information is the same as any written document and may be subject to all rules governing public information according to Florida Statutes. Any message that falls under Chapter 119 shall not be altered in a manner that misrepresents the activities of Orange County Public Schools. [References: Florida State Constitution I.24, Florida State Statutes Chapter 119, and OCPS Management Directive A-9.] If you have received this message in error, or are not the named recipient notify the sender and delete this message from your computer. From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Tue Oct 21 03:35:03 2003 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 21:35:03 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RX- 505 Squeaking (Tom Siomopoulos) Message-ID: Tom: I was speaking about the attachment . Neil >From: Thomas Siomopoulos >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] RX- 505 Squeaking (Tom Siomopoulos) >Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 23:10:15 +1000 > >Hi Neil. Are you referring to the attachment or the actual e-mail? > > Regards, > > Tom. > >-----Original Message----- >From: neil lipes [mailto:neillipes628 at hotmail.com] >Sent: Monday, 20 October 2003 10:22 >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] RX- 505 Squeaking (Tom Siomopoulos) > > >Dear Tom: Thanks for this information. I can't download your information >due > >to the font size. I attempted to change same at my end...Not able to. > >Any way you can reduce the size of the information? If not I will pay for >postage to mail to me. > >By size I mean standard 81/2 by 11. > >Thank you! > >NeilLipes > >_________________________________________________________________ >Cheer a special someone with a fun Halloween eCard from American Greetings! >Go to http://www.msn.americangreetings.com/index_msn.pd?source=msne134 > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Never get a busy signal because you are always connected with high-speed Internet access. Click here to comparison-shop providers. https://broadband.msn.com From wheijke at xs4all.nl Tue Oct 21 09:33:49 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:33:49 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak TD-700 In-Reply-To: <001e01c39772$7c57ca60$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6> References: <001e01c39772$7c57ca60$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6> Message-ID: <5540.212.78.179.234.1066721629.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> I'm not running my TD-700 right now... Switched from cassette playback in my car (Sony deck) to MP3 (Sony CDX-MP30), more comfortable but a big downside was that i lost a major tape-playback spot! Should be running my TD-700 at home soon, recently found a suitable powersupply for it! Wouter > Howdy Scott, > > I recommend that you use 60's or 90's. As long as you are using qaulity > cassettes (Maxell, TDK, etc), you'll have success. Get that mobile Nak > deck tuned-up to ensure best performance. Who else is using Nak mobile > gear? I'm always interested in discussion on the mobile topics! > > Regards, > > K.J. Bleus > Madison, Wisc USA > kjbleus at charter.net > > > ---original message--- > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 07:47:35 -0400 > From: "Scott Duncan" > Subject: [naktalk] TD-700 > To: > Message-ID: <000801c396ff$f476a930$8bb30e45 at VALUED20606295> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi Everybody, > > Mostly lurk, this is my first time posting. I recently aquired a Nak > TD-700 mobile unit. What is the max length of tape I should use in this > machine? Thanks. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From lists at richardhess.com Tue Oct 21 09:35:43 2003 From: lists at richardhess.com (Richard L. Hess) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 00:35:43 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Repair In-Reply-To: <7D27F1A9BFDCAC429A19F86F8CE60F7B4896CD@aelmail02.ocps.k12. fl.us> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20031021003000.0263dde8@127.0.0.1> Hi, Gary, What sort of concealed damage? Both the units I received had their face plates slightly slipped which bound up some controls. very easy to fix. Both of mine were serviced by Tap Electronics 562-423-4255 2392 E Artesia Bl Long Beach CA 90805 1-2 month delay (why do you think I have two?) One before I bought it...one after. The second one used his next-to-last NOS Dragon mechanism. The last NOS Dragon mechanism is now in my home. Good luck! Richard From ti at amb.org Tue Oct 21 10:19:38 2003 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 01:19:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Repair In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20031021003000.0263dde8@127.0.0.1> from "Richard L. Hess" at Oct 21, 2003 12:35:43 AM Message-ID: <200310210819.IAA00740@amb.org> My current Nak Dragon is the second one I bought. The first one sustained severe shipping damage. The Nak Dragon's cassette well door protrudes about 0.5cm or so from the front panel when it's closed. That unit didn't have the original carton, so the seller used his own, and he packed it a bit too tight with styrofoam. The pressure from the outside of the box during shipment was exerted on the cassette door, causing it to push in the entire transport mechanism, and broke several of the internal mounts! When it arrived, the cassette door was visibly pressed in and would not open. I opened the top cover to inpect the innards, and found the transport mechanism loose and skewed in at an angle, hanging by only two of the intact mounts... Fortunately, the seller was nice enough to take it back and refund my money, because it was his error for improperly packing the unit. I don't know whether he was able to get the unit repaired or not. The damage looked expensive, if at all fixable. Attached are a couple of photos showing the pushed-in door. So here's a cautionary tale to future Dragon buyers, please make sure the seller packs the unit properly, and do not allow the cassette door to come in contact with the packing materials or the carton. My second Dragon arrived in fine shape, double-boxed and packed appropriately. -Ti -- /// Ti Kan Vorsprung durch Technik /// AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA /// ti at amb.org ////// http://www.amb.org/ti/ /// Richard L. Hess writes: > What sort of concealed damage? Both the units I received had their face > plates slightly slipped which bound up some controls. very easy to fix. > > Both of mine were serviced by > > Tap Electronics > 562-423-4255 > 2392 E Artesia Bl > Long Beach CA 90805 > > 1-2 month delay (why do you think I have two?) > > One before I bought it...one after. The second one used his next-to-last > NOS Dragon mechanism. The last NOS Dragon mechanism is now in my home. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: dragon_damage2.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 32542 bytes Desc: JPEG image URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: dragon_damage1.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 36452 bytes Desc: JPEG image URL: From Colem at georgetown.edu Tue Oct 21 13:20:52 2003 From: Colem at georgetown.edu (Michael Cole) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 07:20:52 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Repair In-Reply-To: <7D27F1A9BFDCAC429A19F86F8CE60F7B4896CD@aelmail02.ocps.k12.fl.us> References: <7D27F1A9BFDCAC429A19F86F8CE60F7B4896CD@aelmail02.ocps.k12.fl.us> Message-ID: <3F951694.1090600@georgetown.edu> Gary, I shipped a Carver amp by FedEx ground that was damaged in transit. I found FedEx to be fairly efficient in settling the claim, compared with UPS. However, I did have to keep on their case. You can obtain the forms from your local FedEx outlet/depot. They are simple to complete. The key is to take a lot of pictures of the damage with a digital camera, if possible, so that you can send them or paper copies to FedEx. Also, and this goes without saying, keep copies of everything you are required to send to FedEx. They settled my claim in about two weeks without ever seeing the amp 'in the flesh' based on the images I sent. This is incontrast to UPS that simply came and collected a damaged Nak 700 that I'd received and it took months to get a settlement. I had no option to repair the unit myself, and never saw it again. Good luck, Mike Johnson, Gary wrote: >Hello All, > >I just bought a Dragon and as many of us know, delivery can be the key to everything. FedEx delivered it to me with concealed damage. Has anyone had to file a claim before? I'll need to get it repaired if it comes down to that. Does anyone know of a place that performs high quality work? Any info, especially about filing claims is greatly appreciated. > >Regards, >Gary Johnson > > >--- >The information contained in this e-mail message is intended solely >for the recipient(s) and may contain privileged information. Tampering >with or altering the contents of this message is prohibited. 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URL: From jmtooley at ce.net Tue Oct 21 17:10:23 2003 From: jmtooley at ce.net (jmtooley at ce.net) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:10:23 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? In-Reply-To: <003a01c39770$2adc0720$aa773242@coqui.net> References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D1F1@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> <003a01c39770$2adc0720$aa773242@coqui.net> Message-ID: <1066749023.3f954c5f1f2ca@mail.ce.net> Ain't that cute! Two guys, who have never met, want to hug each other! ;-) John T. Quoting "Carlitos Jr." : > Same here for you, Tom ! > > Carlos > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 6:10 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? > > > > Carlos! Welcome back, consider this a virtual hug from me :) > > > > Tom Siomopoulos. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Carlitos Jr. [mailto:copytec at coqui.net] > > Sent: Saturday, 18 October 2003 2:09 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? > > > > > > Every deck has its weaknesses and strenghts. My experience with the > 3014-A > > is that it is one of the best decks ever to record on it. Problems ? As > Ron > > said: mostly mechanical. The belt brakes , but that's all. My Revoxes B > 215 > > and complex Naks like 700 ZXL and 1000 ZXL has broken much more than > this > > Tandberg. > > > > Back again on line guys, this is Carlos El Magnifico. Later I'll tell you > > about the Marathon Tape status. > > > > Best and happy to be back ! > > > > Carlos The Tape Man > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Michael" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 6:42 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? > > > > > > > I have a question regarding the Tandberg TCD-3014. I've read > > > from earlier posts that it's more prone to failure than the > > > Nakamichi decks. I think it was Stephen Sank that once said > > > Nakamichis and ReVox lasted a hell of a lot longer than > > > Tandbergs. In any case I just want someone to clarify what > > > kind of failure we're talking about (i.e. is it mechanical > > > parts or electrical?). What about alternative replacement > > > parts for belts etc.. > > > > > > In any case, if I want a deck that can stand the test of time > > > or without being prone to breackdowns should I stay away from > > > Tandbergs and focus more on classic Nak decks? > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > Michael > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From jmtooley at ce.net Tue Oct 21 17:17:50 2003 From: jmtooley at ce.net (jmtooley at ce.net) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:17:50 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak TD-700 In-Reply-To: <001e01c39772$7c57ca60$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6> References: <001e01c39772$7c57ca60$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6> Message-ID: <1066749470.3f954e1e1080a@mail.ce.net> Bleus, How about Carlos surfacing and a Marathon CD on the horizen! Isn't life great! If you ever burn a copy of the Allan Parson's Project album would you please do me a copy? I wasn't able to dub a copy when you circulated the cassette. John T. Quoting KJ Bleus : > Howdy Scott, > > I recommend that you use 60's or 90's. As long as you are using qaulity > cassettes (Maxell, TDK, etc), you'll have success. Get that mobile Nak deck > tuned-up to ensure best performance. Who else is using Nak mobile gear? I'm > always interested in discussion on the mobile topics! > > Regards, > > K.J. Bleus > Madison, Wisc USA > kjbleus at charter.net > > > ---original message--- > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 07:47:35 -0400 > From: "Scott Duncan" > Subject: [naktalk] TD-700 > To: > Message-ID: <000801c396ff$f476a930$8bb30e45 at VALUED20606295> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi Everybody, > > Mostly lurk, this is my first time posting. I recently aquired a Nak > TD-700 mobile unit. What is the max length of tape I should use in this > machine? Thanks. > From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Oct 21 17:34:26 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:34:26 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Repair In-Reply-To: <7D27F1A9BFDCAC429A19F86F8CE60F7B4896CD@aelmail02.ocps.k12.fl.us> References: <7D27F1A9BFDCAC429A19F86F8CE60F7B4896CD@aelmail02.ocps.k12.fl.us> Message-ID: <3F955202.3020500@rcn.com> Johnson, Gary wrote: > Hello All, > > I just bought a Dragon and as many of us know, delivery can be the key to everything. FedEx delivered it to me with concealed damage. Has anyone had to file a claim before? I'll need to get it repaired if it comes down to that. Does anyone know of a place that performs high quality work? Any info, especially about filing claims is greatly appreciated. > > Regards, > Gary Johnson FedEx will want proof that the damage occurred due to their handling, which is kind of difficult to come up with if it's concealed. In one case, UPS damaged (irreparably) a Pioneer DVD player, by apparently dropping it from great a height onto a concrete floor. There was no outside damage, but the internal foam inserts were crushed and they accepted that as proof of their responsibility. I had to show that the packaging was adequate. The other thing they wanted was printed proof of value. -- Ron From britri at comcast.net Tue Oct 21 19:27:01 2003 From: britri at comcast.net (Brian Stocker) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:27:01 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Repair References: <7D27F1A9BFDCAC429A19F86F8CE60F7B4896CD@aelmail02.ocps.k12.fl.us> Message-ID: <3F956C65.4010806@comcast.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmtooley at ce.net Tue Oct 21 17:08:03 2003 From: jmtooley at ce.net (jmtooley at ce.net) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:08:03 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Man In-Reply-To: <002801c3976f$d2fd8560$aa773242@coqui.net> References: <3F8D3294.148B575E@vogue.co.uk><00dc01c394c8$fa4e2060$01773242@coqui.net><00ae01c394d2$ed554fa0$8d106343@johnnyrotten><002201c39531$843afba0$07773242@coqui.net><00f001c3958e$0c733f80$2c106343@johnnyrotten><004b01c39698$769b7200$bf773242@coqui.net> <002d01c3969c$dff7a800$62116343@johnnyrotten> <002801c3976f$d2fd8560$aa773242@coqui.net> Message-ID: <1066748883.3f954bd3044ba@mail.ce.net> Wonderful Carlos, I can't wait to hear it! What do we do, send you greenbacks to cover costs? John T. Quoting "Carlitos Jr." : > Yes, it will have selections from US, Europe, Australia and Thailand. > > Carlos > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John M. Tooley" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 6:58 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Man > > > > Ah! the Caribbean, what could be sweeter with fall/winter heading here. I > > really enjoyed Jamaica a little while back! "No Woman No Cry". Can't wait > to > > hear that CD! Will it have US and European input? > > > > Peace Carlos. > > > > John T. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Carlitos Jr." > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 7:26 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? > > > > > > I'm back in the Caribbean. You'll hear the CD soon ! > > > > Carlos > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John M. Tooley" > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 10:39 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? > > > > > > > Great Carlos, where are you now located? Can't wait to hear our > marathon > > > CD('s)! > > > > > > John T. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Carlitos Jr." > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 12:37 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? > > > > > > > > > I'm just relocating again. The music is in the mastering computer,so, > it's > > a > > > matter of doing the last touches, PQ coding and burn the master. > > > > > > Carlos > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "John M. Tooley" > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 12:20 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? > > > > > > > > > > Carlos! Welcome back there my friend. "Back again on line guys, this > is > > > > Carlos El Magnifico. Later I'll tell you > > > > about the Marathon Tape status." Please tell us all! > > > > > > > > John T. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Carlitos Jr." > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > > Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 12:09 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? > > > > > > > > > > > > Every deck has its weaknesses and strenghts. My experience with the > > 3014-A > > > > is that it is one of the best decks ever to record on it. Problems ? > As > > > Ron > > > > said: mostly mechanical. The belt brakes , but that's all. My Revoxes > B > > > 215 > > > > and complex Naks like 700 ZXL and 1000 ZXL has broken much more than > > this > > > > Tandberg. > > > > > > > > Back again on line guys, this is Carlos El Magnifico. Later I'll tell > > you > > > > about the Marathon Tape status. > > > > > > > > Best and happy to be back ! > > > > > > > > Carlos The Tape Man > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Michael" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 6:42 AM > > > > Subject: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a question regarding the Tandberg TCD-3014. I've read > > > > > from earlier posts that it's more prone to failure than the > > > > > Nakamichi decks. I think it was Stephen Sank that once said > > > > > Nakamichis and ReVox lasted a hell of a lot longer than > > > > > Tandbergs. In any case I just want someone to clarify what > > > > > kind of failure we're talking about (i.e. is it mechanical > > > > > parts or electrical?). What about alternative replacement > > > > > parts for belts etc.. > > > > > > > > > > In any case, if I want a deck that can stand the test of time > > > > > or without being prone to breackdowns should I stay away from > > > > > Tandbergs and focus more on classic Nak decks? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From 75541.100 at compuserve.com Tue Oct 21 19:47:26 2003 From: 75541.100 at compuserve.com (compudude) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:47:26 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Best Non-Naks Message-ID: <200310211347_MC3-1-547B-DD2C@compuserve.com> Hi, The other 3-head decks that I own and are comparable to Naks are: A&D GX-Z9000 (Akai GX-8 equivalent with wood panels on sides), has dbx noise red. Aiwa XK-S9000 with dolby S Pioneer CT-A9 (ate a metal tape and in storage since then!) and Sony TC-177SD :) (not bad for a '74 deck) _Fuad Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com >Best Non-Naks< From lists at richardhess.com Tue Oct 21 20:23:20 2003 From: lists at richardhess.com (Richard L. Hess) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:23:20 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Repair In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20031021003000.0263dde8@127.0.0.1> References: <7D27F1A9BFDCAC429A19F86F8CE60F7B4896CD@aelmail02.ocps.k12. fl.us> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20031021112220.05815030@127.0.0.1> Just went searching and this Web page says 2003 at the bottom, so I don't know which address is more accurate for TAP. I used the number in my message within the last two months to determine how long their repair cycle was. http://www.nakusa.com/master/service.htm At 12:35 AM 10/21/2003 -0700, Richard L. Hess wrote: >Hi, Gary, > >What sort of concealed damage? Both the units I received had their face >plates slightly slipped which bound up some controls. very easy to fix. > >Both of mine were serviced by > >Tap Electronics >562-423-4255 >2392 E Artesia Bl >Long Beach CA 90805 > >1-2 month delay (why do you think I have two?) > >One before I bought it...one after. The second one used his next-to-last >NOS Dragon mechanism. The last NOS Dragon mechanism is now in my home. > >Good luck! > >Richard From 75541.100 at compuserve.com Tue Oct 21 20:27:59 2003 From: 75541.100 at compuserve.com (compudude) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:27:59 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Repair Message-ID: <200310211428_MC3-1-5493-7EC8@compuserve.com> Ti, That's exactly what happened to me 4 years ago. The seller was in East coast, and I'm in the west. The cassette door was broken although it was double-boxed! I believe the box was filled with those soft "peanuts". Fortunately, he took it back and shipped me another Dragon. _Fuad Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com >From: Ti Kan Precedence: list Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Repair Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 01:19:38 -0700 (PDT) To: naktalk at naks.com In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20031021003000.0263dde8 at 127.0.0.1> from "Richard L. Hess" at Oct 21, 2003 12:35:43 AM Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <200310210819.IAA00740 at amb.org> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="%--multipart-mixed-boundary-1.699.1066724378--%" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message: 1 My current Nak Dragon is the second one I bought. The first one sustained severe shipping damage. The Nak Dragon's cassette well door protrudes about 0.5cm or so from the front panel when it's closed. That unit didn't have the original carton, so the seller used his own, and he packed it a bit too tight with styrofoam. The pressure from the outside of the box during shipment was exerted on the cassette door, causing it to push in the entire transport mechanism, and broke several of the internal mounts! When it arrived, the cassette door was visibly pressed in and would not open. I opened the top cover to inpect the innards, and found the transport mechanism loose and skewed in at an angle, hanging by only two of the intact mounts... Fortunately, the seller was nice enough to take it back and refund my money, because it was his error for improperly packing the unit. I don't know whether he was able to get the unit repaired or not. The damage looked expensive, if at all fixable. Attached are a couple of photos showing the pushed-in door. So here's a cautionary tale to future Dragon buyers, please make sure the seller packs the unit properly, and do not allow the cassette door to come in contact with the packing materials or the carton. My second Dragon arrived in fine shape, double-boxed and packed appropriately. -Ti -- /// Ti Kan Vorsprung durch Technik /// AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA /// ti at amb.org ////// http://www.amb.org/ti/ /// < From lists at richardhess.com Tue Oct 21 20:38:46 2003 From: lists at richardhess.com (Richard L. Hess) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:38:46 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Repair In-Reply-To: <3F951694.1090600@georgetown.edu> References: <7D27F1A9BFDCAC429A19F86F8CE60F7B4896CD@aelmail02.ocps.k12.fl.us> <7D27F1A9BFDCAC429A19F86F8CE60F7B4896CD@aelmail02.ocps.k12.fl.us> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20031021113238.04d31980@127.0.0.1> I've had odd challenges with both UPS and FedEx ground over shipping tape recorders. (1) Sony APR-5003V -- overbridge ripped off by UPS. Claim originally denied because package was marked fragile. I know the driver who comes to my company--he got me a check in a week when a rare LP was folded in half. I proposed to them that they give me $350 of the $550 I paid for the deck. Finally they gave the seller even more, and he gave me the $350, but both the seller and I had to work them over. (2) Studer A810 -- The carton was obviously dropped more than once. The machine did not work on power up. I ended up not being charged for the shipping. The machine was a gift and is now a parts machine. (3) Akai CR-80D-SS -- The seller could have packed this better, but ultimately--after four months--FedEx ground paid and I got a full refund--and got to keep the machine. I would have given them back the machine, but they didn't want it. The seller told me to throw it out. I'm keeping it for the few remaining unbroken parts--the head came of its mount! This was to be a parts machine anyway... With my knowing the UPS driver, I think I prefer UPS to FE Ground. FE Air is the best, actually, and that's how my first Dragon came, but even that one had the front panel slightly offset. Shipping is a pain--especially tape recorders. Double boxing is a must with 3" of peanuts between boxes and soft foam around the machine inside the inner box. Cheers, Richard From copytec at coqui.net Wed Oct 22 02:35:29 2003 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlitos Jr.) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 19:35:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Man References: <3F8D3294.148B575E@vogue.co.uk><00dc01c394c8$fa4e2060$01773242@coqui.net><00ae01c394d2$ed554fa0$8d106343@johnnyrotten><002201c39531$843afba0$07773242@coqui.net><00f001c3958e$0c733f80$2c106343@johnnyrotten><004b01c39698$769b7200$bf773242@coqui.net><002d01c3969c$dff7a800$62116343@johnnyrotten><002801c3976f$d2fd8560$aa773242@coqui.net> <001501c3978b$e4bb3bf0$c66523c8@g8nsv> Message-ID: <005001c39834$6559a140$23773242@coqui.net> Thank you Isy. Nice to hear form you again ! Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Isy Fidelman" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 11:29 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Man > Great to have you back Carlos.... > Regards > > isy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carlitos Jr." > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 9:08 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Man > > > > Yes, it will have selections from US, Europe, Australia and Thailand. > > > > Carlos > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John M. Tooley" > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 6:58 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Man > > > > > > > Ah! the Caribbean, what could be sweeter with fall/winter heading here. > I > > > really enjoyed Jamaica a little while back! "No Woman No Cry". Can't > wait > > to > > > hear that CD! Will it have US and European input? > > > > > > Peace Carlos. > > > > > > John T. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Carlitos Jr." > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 7:26 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? > > > > > > > > > I'm back in the Caribbean. You'll hear the CD soon ! > > > > > > Carlos > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "John M. Tooley" > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 10:39 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? > > > > > > > > > > Great Carlos, where are you now located? Can't wait to hear our > marathon > > > > CD('s)! > > > > > > > > John T. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Carlitos Jr." > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 12:37 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm just relocating again. The music is in the mastering computer,so, > > it's > > > a > > > > matter of doing the last touches, PQ coding and burn the master. > > > > > > > > Carlos > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "John M. Tooley" > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > > Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 12:20 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Carlos! Welcome back there my friend. "Back again on line guys, this > > is > > > > > Carlos El Magnifico. Later I'll tell you > > > > > about the Marathon Tape status." Please tell us all! > > > > > > > > > > John T. > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Carlitos Jr." > > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > > > Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 12:09 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Every deck has its weaknesses and strenghts. My experience with the > > > 3014-A > > > > > is that it is one of the best decks ever to record on it. Problems ? > > As > > > > Ron > > > > > said: mostly mechanical. The belt brakes , but that's all. My > Revoxes > > B > > > > 215 > > > > > and complex Naks like 700 ZXL and 1000 ZXL has broken much more > than > > > this > > > > > Tandberg. > > > > > > > > > > Back again on line guys, this is Carlos El Magnifico. Later I'll > tell > > > you > > > > > about the Marathon Tape status. > > > > > > > > > > Best and happy to be back ! > > > > > > > > > > Carlos The Tape Man > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Michael" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 6:42 AM > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a question regarding the Tandberg TCD-3014. I've read > > > > > > from earlier posts that it's more prone to failure than the > > > > > > Nakamichi decks. I think it was Stephen Sank that once said > > > > > > Nakamichis and ReVox lasted a hell of a lot longer than > > > > > > Tandbergs. In any case I just want someone to clarify what > > > > > > kind of failure we're talking about (i.e. is it mechanical > > > > > > parts or electrical?). What about alternative replacement > > > > > > parts for belts etc.. > > > > > > > > > > > > In any case, if I want a deck that can stand the test of time > > > > > > or without being prone to breackdowns should I stay away from > > > > > > Tandbergs and focus more on classic Nak decks? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > > > Maintain your account here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From copytec at coqui.net Wed Oct 22 02:37:18 2003 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlitos Jr.) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 19:37:18 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D1F1@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au><003a01c39770$2adc0720$aa773242@coqui.net> <1066749023.3f954c5f1f2ca@mail.ce.net> Message-ID: <008601c39834$a634b7e0$23773242@coqui.net> Ha,ha,ha, !!! A virtual hug for you too, John ! Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 10:10 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? > Ain't that cute! Two guys, who have never met, want to hug each other! ;-) > > John T. > > Quoting "Carlitos Jr." : > > > Same here for you, Tom ! > > > > Carlos > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" > > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 6:10 PM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? > > > > > > > Carlos! Welcome back, consider this a virtual hug from me :) > > > > > > Tom Siomopoulos. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Carlitos Jr. [mailto:copytec at coqui.net] > > > Sent: Saturday, 18 October 2003 2:09 > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? > > > > > > > > > Every deck has its weaknesses and strenghts. My experience with the > > 3014-A > > > is that it is one of the best decks ever to record on it. Problems ? As > > Ron > > > said: mostly mechanical. The belt brakes , but that's all. My Revoxes B > > 215 > > > and complex Naks like 700 ZXL and 1000 ZXL has broken much more than > > this > > > Tandberg. > > > > > > Back again on line guys, this is Carlos El Magnifico. Later I'll tell you > > > about the Marathon Tape status. > > > > > > Best and happy to be back ! > > > > > > Carlos The Tape Man > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Michael" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 6:42 AM > > > Subject: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? > > > > > > > > > > I have a question regarding the Tandberg TCD-3014. I've read > > > > from earlier posts that it's more prone to failure than the > > > > Nakamichi decks. I think it was Stephen Sank that once said > > > > Nakamichis and ReVox lasted a hell of a lot longer than > > > > Tandbergs. In any case I just want someone to clarify what > > > > kind of failure we're talking about (i.e. is it mechanical > > > > parts or electrical?). What about alternative replacement > > > > parts for belts etc.. > > > > > > > > In any case, if I want a deck that can stand the test of time > > > > or without being prone to breackdowns should I stay away from > > > > Tandbergs and focus more on classic Nak decks? > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From copytec at coqui.net Wed Oct 22 02:38:07 2003 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlitos Jr.) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 19:38:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Man References: <3F8D3294.148B575E@vogue.co.uk><00dc01c394c8$fa4e2060$01773242@coqui.net><00ae01c394d2$ed554fa0$8d106343@johnnyrotten><002201c39531$843afba0$07773242@coqui.net><00f001c3958e$0c733f80$2c106343@johnnyrotten><004b01c39698$769b7200$bf773242@coqui.net><002d01c3969c$dff7a800$62116343@johnnyrotten><002801c3976f$d2fd8560$aa773242@coqui.net> <1066748883.3f954bd3044ba@mail.ce.net> Message-ID: <009601c39834$c39a5a60$23773242@coqui.net> Relax, John, I would let you know very, very soon ! ha ! Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 10:08 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Man > Wonderful Carlos, I can't wait to hear it! What do we do, send you greenbacks > to cover costs? > > John T. > > Quoting "Carlitos Jr." : > > > Yes, it will have selections from US, Europe, Australia and Thailand. > > > > Carlos > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John M. Tooley" > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 6:58 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Man > > > > > > > Ah! the Caribbean, what could be sweeter with fall/winter heading here. I > > > really enjoyed Jamaica a little while back! "No Woman No Cry". Can't wait > > to > > > hear that CD! Will it have US and European input? > > > > > > Peace Carlos. > > > > > > John T. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Carlitos Jr." > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 7:26 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? > > > > > > > > > I'm back in the Caribbean. You'll hear the CD soon ! > > > > > > Carlos > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "John M. Tooley" > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 10:39 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? > > > > > > > > > > Great Carlos, where are you now located? Can't wait to hear our > > marathon > > > > CD('s)! > > > > > > > > John T. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Carlitos Jr." > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 12:37 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm just relocating again. The music is in the mastering computer,so, > > it's > > > a > > > > matter of doing the last touches, PQ coding and burn the master. > > > > > > > > Carlos > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "John M. Tooley" > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > > Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 12:20 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Carlos! Welcome back there my friend. "Back again on line guys, this > > is > > > > > Carlos El Magnifico. Later I'll tell you > > > > > about the Marathon Tape status." Please tell us all! > > > > > > > > > > John T. > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Carlitos Jr." > > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > > > Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 12:09 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Every deck has its weaknesses and strenghts. My experience with the > > > 3014-A > > > > > is that it is one of the best decks ever to record on it. Problems ? > > As > > > > Ron > > > > > said: mostly mechanical. The belt brakes , but that's all. My Revoxes > > B > > > > 215 > > > > > and complex Naks like 700 ZXL and 1000 ZXL has broken much more than > > > this > > > > > Tandberg. > > > > > > > > > > Back again on line guys, this is Carlos El Magnifico. Later I'll tell > > > you > > > > > about the Marathon Tape status. > > > > > > > > > > Best and happy to be back ! > > > > > > > > > > Carlos The Tape Man > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Michael" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 6:42 AM > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a question regarding the Tandberg TCD-3014. I've read > > > > > > from earlier posts that it's more prone to failure than the > > > > > > Nakamichi decks. I think it was Stephen Sank that once said > > > > > > Nakamichis and ReVox lasted a hell of a lot longer than > > > > > > Tandbergs. In any case I just want someone to clarify what > > > > > > kind of failure we're talking about (i.e. is it mechanical > > > > > > parts or electrical?). What about alternative replacement > > > > > > parts for belts etc.. > > > > > > > > > > > > In any case, if I want a deck that can stand the test of time > > > > > > or without being prone to breackdowns should I stay away from > > > > > > Tandbergs and focus more on classic Nak decks? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > > > Maintain your account here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From kjbleus at charter.net Wed Oct 22 02:01:52 2003 From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 19:01:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Coming!!! Message-ID: <005201c3982f$b6490730$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6> John, Its getting better and better! We're getting some of the old gang back together and revisiting the Marathon Tape project!!! Someday, we'll reminisce about what we've gone through to get this all together, and I predict its gonna be excellent. Sure, I can convert the APP History cassette to a couple discs. Its been a while since listening to that great oral history. Regards, Bleus de Nakker Madison, Wisc USA kjbleus at charter.net http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:17:50 -0400 From: jmtooley at ce.net Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak TD-700 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <1066749470.3f954e1e1080a at mail.ce.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Bleus, How about Carlos surfacing and a Marathon CD on the horizen! Isn't life great! If you ever burn a copy of the Allan Parson's Project album would you please do me a copy? I wasn't able to dub a copy when you circulated the cassette. John T. Quoting KJ Bleus : -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alex at autoconsortium.com Tue Oct 21 21:31:11 2003 From: alex at autoconsortium.com (Alex Cagann) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:31:11 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Repair In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20031021113238.04d31980@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: Funny you guys are talking about shipping problems. The first piece of equipment I shipped anywhere was to Stephen Sank (my Nak Dragon). Well, Stephen must have known about these problems because he went NUTS on me when he recieved the Dragon. He was yelling at me like I was a two year old that just spilled grape juice on the white carpet. I guess I did a particularly bad job at packing. Thankfully, nothing happened to it. Now I can look back and laugh at it. :-) :-) Alex Cagann http://www.autoconsortium.com From johnsog2 at ocps.k12.fl.us Tue Oct 21 21:46:24 2003 From: johnsog2 at ocps.k12.fl.us (Johnson, Gary) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:46:24 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Dragon Repair Message-ID: <7D27F1A9BFDCAC429A19F86F8CE60F7B4896CE@aelmail02.ocps.k12.fl.us> Hello All, Thanks for the invaluable info! Ti and Compudude, yes that is exactly my problem also. It looks as if a hard jolt has pushed in the left side of the cassette door in. The plastic upper and lower mounts for the transport sub-chassis has snapped off along with the plastic hinge on the lower left of the cassette well door. Also, there is some sort of adjustment switch with a blue ribbon cable mounted on the bottom off the well housing that has broken off. Is this the adjuster for the NAAC system? Anyways, after all that is repaired I am sure it will need calibrating assuming I get to keep it. I would just rather FedEx issue me reimbursment and we'll go our seperate ways. It's a shame though, as this unit just went through a thorough overhaul last year and the seller gave me the ticket to prove it. Thanks all. Regards, Gary Johnson --- The information contained in this e-mail message is intended solely for the recipient(s) and may contain privileged information. Tampering with or altering the contents of this message is prohibited. This information is the same as any written document and may be subject to all rules governing public information according to Florida Statutes. Any message that falls under Chapter 119 shall not be altered in a manner that misrepresents the activities of Orange County Public Schools. [References: Florida State Constitution I.24, Florida State Statutes Chapter 119, and OCPS Management Directive A-9.] If you have received this message in error, or are not the named recipient notify the sender and delete this message from your computer. From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Wed Oct 22 00:48:49 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 08:48:49 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] RX- 505 Squeaking (Tom Siomopoulos) Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D1FB@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Neil try this file, if no good let me know. Regards, Tom. -----Original Message----- From: neil lipes [mailto:neillipes628 at hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2003 11:35 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] RX- 505 Squeaking (Tom Siomopoulos) Tom: I was speaking about the attachment . Neil >From: Thomas Siomopoulos >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] RX- 505 Squeaking (Tom Siomopoulos) >Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 23:10:15 +1000 > >Hi Neil. Are you referring to the attachment or the actual e-mail? > > Regards, > > Tom. > >-----Original Message----- >From: neil lipes [mailto:neillipes628 at hotmail.com] >Sent: Monday, 20 October 2003 10:22 >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] RX- 505 Squeaking (Tom Siomopoulos) > > >Dear Tom: Thanks for this information. I can't download your information >due > >to the font size. I attempted to change same at my end...Not able to. > >Any way you can reduce the size of the information? If not I will pay for >postage to mail to me. > >By size I mean standard 81/2 by 11. > >Thank you! > >NeilLipes > >_________________________________________________________________ >Cheer a special someone with a fun Halloween eCard from American Greetings! >Go to http://www.msn.americangreetings.com/index_msn.pd?source=msne134 > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Never get a busy signal because you are always connected with high-speed Internet access. Click here to comparison-shop providers. https://broadband.msn.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Nak_Elim_Squeak.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 782215 bytes Desc: not available URL: From johnsog2 at ocps.k12.fl.us Wed Oct 22 01:04:11 2003 From: johnsog2 at ocps.k12.fl.us (Johnson, Gary) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 19:04:11 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Repair Message-ID: <7D27F1A9BFDCAC429A19F86F8CE60F7B4881BB@aelmail02.ocps.k12.fl.us> Hello Ti, I'm the original poster on Naktalk about the FedEx damage on the Dragon. I just looked at the 2 photos you posted of your Dragon. I have to admitt, it looks remarkably like the one I received (damage). You said in the post that the seller took it back and gave you the money back also. Was the seller an eBay seller? The reason I'm asking is because the deck I bought was from an eBay seller, Jeff Schulberg. He didn't get a bid on eBay so I bought it from him after the auction ended. I think he might even be a Naktalk member. Anyways, I'm just wondering if this might be the one-in-the-same deck. I seriously doubt that he would sell a bad deck but then again, who knows for sure. The eBay auction was: 3051521760 Regards, Gary Johnson --- The information contained in this e-mail message is intended solely for the recipient(s) and may contain privileged information. Tampering with or altering the contents of this message is prohibited. This information is the same as any written document and may be subject to all rules governing public information according to Florida Statutes. Any message that falls under Chapter 119 shall not be altered in a manner that misrepresents the activities of Orange County Public Schools. [References: Florida State Constitution I.24, Florida State Statutes Chapter 119, and OCPS Management Directive A-9.] If you have received this message in error, or are not the named recipient notify the sender and delete this message from your computer. From jmtooley at ce.net Wed Oct 22 01:50:27 2003 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 19:50:27 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D1F1@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au><003a01c39770$2adc0720$aa773242@coqui.net><1066749023.3f954c5f1f2ca@mail.ce.net> <008601c39834$a634b7e0$23773242@coqui.net> Message-ID: <000f01c3982e$1ae8fc60$65116343@johnnyrotten> Ah! shucks, now I'm blushing! ;-) John T. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carlitos Jr." To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 8:37 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? Ha,ha,ha, !!! A virtual hug for you too, John ! Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 10:10 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? > Ain't that cute! Two guys, who have never met, want to hug each other! ;-) > > John T. > > Quoting "Carlitos Jr." : > > > Same here for you, Tom ! > > > > Carlos > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" > > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 6:10 PM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? > > > > > > > Carlos! Welcome back, consider this a virtual hug from me :) > > > > > > Tom Siomopoulos. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Carlitos Jr. [mailto:copytec at coqui.net] > > > Sent: Saturday, 18 October 2003 2:09 > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? > > > > > > > > > Every deck has its weaknesses and strenghts. My experience with the > > 3014-A > > > is that it is one of the best decks ever to record on it. Problems ? As > > Ron > > > said: mostly mechanical. The belt brakes , but that's all. My Revoxes B > > 215 > > > and complex Naks like 700 ZXL and 1000 ZXL has broken much more than > > this > > > Tandberg. > > > > > > Back again on line guys, this is Carlos El Magnifico. Later I'll tell you > > > about the Marathon Tape status. > > > > > > Best and happy to be back ! > > > > > > Carlos The Tape Man > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Michael" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 6:42 AM > > > Subject: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? > > > > > > > > > > I have a question regarding the Tandberg TCD-3014. I've read > > > > from earlier posts that it's more prone to failure than the > > > > Nakamichi decks. I think it was Stephen Sank that once said > > > > Nakamichis and ReVox lasted a hell of a lot longer than > > > > Tandbergs. In any case I just want someone to clarify what > > > > kind of failure we're talking about (i.e. is it mechanical > > > > parts or electrical?). What about alternative replacement > > > > parts for belts etc.. > > > > > > > > In any case, if I want a deck that can stand the test of time > > > > or without being prone to breackdowns should I stay away from > > > > Tandbergs and focus more on classic Nak decks? > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Wed Oct 22 02:08:18 2003 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 20:08:18 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Repair Message-ID: Call Jeff at Nakamichi US, in weathersfield conn >From: "Johnson, Gary" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: >Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Repair >Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 20:35:06 -0400 > >Hello All, > >I just bought a Dragon and as many of us know, delivery can be the key to >everything. FedEx delivered it to me with concealed damage. Has anyone had >to file a claim before? I'll need to get it repaired if it comes down to >that. Does anyone know of a place that performs high quality work? Any >info, especially about filing claims is greatly appreciated. > >Regards, >Gary Johnson > > >--- >The information contained in this e-mail message is intended solely >for the recipient(s) and may contain privileged information. Tampering >with or altering the contents of this message is prohibited. This >information is the same as any written document and may be subject to all >rules >governing public information according to Florida Statutes. Any message >that falls under Chapter 119 shall not be altered in a manner that >misrepresents the activities of Orange County Public Schools. >[References: Florida State Constitution I.24, Florida State Statutes >Chapter 119, and OCPS Management Directive A-9.] >If you have received this message in error, or are not the named recipient >notify the sender and delete this message from your computer. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Enjoy MSN 8 patented spam control and more with MSN 8 Dial-up Internet Service. Try it FREE for one month! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup From jmtooley at ce.net Wed Oct 22 02:20:57 2003 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 20:20:57 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Coming!!! References: <005201c3982f$b6490730$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6> Message-ID: <002201c39832$5d333690$97106343@johnnyrotten> You gotta love it! It seems like eons since we all dubbed those cassettes. I was one of the rebels using a ReVox machine in a Nakamichi harem ;-) On the APP bit, a cassette or CD's, whatever is at hand and less trouble. Thanks Bleus man. John T. P.S. What did you think of PBS's "The Blues"? ----- Original Message ----- From: KJ Bleus To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: KJ Bleus Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 8:01 PM Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Coming!!! John, Its getting better and better! We're getting some of the old gang back together and revisiting the Marathon Tape project!!! Someday, we'll reminisce about what we've gone through to get this all together, and I predict its gonna be excellent. Sure, I can convert the APP History cassette to a couple discs. Its been a while since listening to that great oral history. Regards, Bleus de Nakker Madison, Wisc USA kjbleus at charter.net http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:17:50 -0400 From: jmtooley at ce.net Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak TD-700 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <1066749470.3f954e1e1080a at mail.ce.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Bleus, How about Carlos surfacing and a Marathon CD on the horizen! Isn't life great! If you ever burn a copy of the Allan Parson's Project album would you please do me a copy? I wasn't able to dub a copy when you circulated the cassette. John T. Quoting KJ Bleus : ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ddino77 at earthlink.net Wed Oct 22 02:48:00 2003 From: ddino77 at earthlink.net (ddino77 at earthlink.net) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 20:48:00 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? Message-ID: <151410-22003103220480609@M2W076.mail2web.com> Hey don't forget me. I'd like a hug too..... Original Message: ----------------- From: Carlitos Jr. copytec at coqui.net Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 19:37:18 -0500 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? Ha,ha,ha, !!! A virtual hug for you too, John ! Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 10:10 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? > Ain't that cute! Two guys, who have never met, want to hug each other! ;-) > > John T. > > Quoting "Carlitos Jr." : > > > Same here for you, Tom ! > > > > Carlos > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" > > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 6:10 PM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? > > > > > > > Carlos! Welcome back, consider this a virtual hug from me :) > > > > > > Tom Siomopoulos. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Carlitos Jr. [mailto:copytec at coqui.net] > > > Sent: Saturday, 18 October 2003 2:09 > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? > > > > > > > > > Every deck has its weaknesses and strenghts. My experience with the > > 3014-A > > > is that it is one of the best decks ever to record on it. Problems ? As > > Ron > > > said: mostly mechanical. The belt brakes , but that's all. My Revoxes B > > 215 > > > and complex Naks like 700 ZXL and 1000 ZXL has broken much more than > > this > > > Tandberg. > > > > > > Back again on line guys, this is Carlos El Magnifico. Later I'll tell you > > > about the Marathon Tape status. > > > > > > Best and happy to be back ! > > > > > > Carlos The Tape Man > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Michael" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 6:42 AM > > > Subject: [naktalk] The Durability of a Tandberg TCD-3014? > > > > > > > > > > I have a question regarding the Tandberg TCD-3014. I've read > > > > from earlier posts that it's more prone to failure than the > > > > Nakamichi decks. I think it was Stephen Sank that once said > > > > Nakamichis and ReVox lasted a hell of a lot longer than > > > > Tandbergs. In any case I just want someone to clarify what > > > > kind of failure we're talking about (i.e. is it mechanical > > > > parts or electrical?). What about alternative replacement > > > > parts for belts etc.. > > > > > > > > In any case, if I want a deck that can stand the test of time > > > > or without being prone to breackdowns should I stay away from > > > > Tandbergs and focus more on classic Nak decks? > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From jerryjg at webtv.net Wed Oct 22 03:38:46 2003 From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 20:38:46 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [naktalk] Blank Tapes From 1988,1994 Message-ID: <5184-3F95DFA6-4743@storefull-2231.public.lawson.webtv.net> Does anyone have any experience with any of these obscure tapes i stumbled across in the 1988 Annual Equipment Directory? 1)goldstar MTX901L metal particle 4.99 ea. 2)Loran ESQ Chrome 4.99 ea. 3)Recoton XR-10 Normal 13.99 ea. 4)SKC Zx Metal 5.59 ea. 5)Triad MG-XMetal 5.99 ea. 6)Fuji FR Metal 5.99 ea. ...These are all prices for 90 minute cassettes Here are some tapes listed in the 1994 Stereo Buyers Guide; 1) 3M Blackwatch 100 min. Metal 6.00 ea. 2)Radio Shack Supertape Metal MIV-90 5.99 ea. 3)Memorex CDX-4 Metal 110 min. 7.99 ea. 4)Fuji Superfine 90 min. 11.95 ea. 5)Dennon HDM Metal 100 min. 5.99 ea. 6)BASF DCC Maxima D-90 12.99 ea. thank you very much, gerald From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Wed Oct 22 13:27:36 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:27:36 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Blank Tapes From 1988,1994 Message-ID: Howdy Gerald, I'll go through your list as thoroughly as I can. Some of the tapes I don't know. *************** 1)goldstarMTX901L metal particle 4.99 ea. Very good for quite an attractive price: Quiet running, very slightly sibilant like Philips Metal Plus, but on the whole a good, rugged metal. ********************* 2)Loran ESQ Chrome 4.99 ea. Unknown to me. *************************** 3)Recoton XR-10 Normal 13.99 ea. Don't know of it. ******************************* 4)SKC Zx Metal 5.59 ea. Truly excellent metal, magic on a Nakamichi and identical in every respect to a Sony Metal-ES of which it is a copy. Sony licenced SKM Ltd (Korea) to make tapes and ZX is a clone - and a perfect one. Bargain. ******************************* 5)Triad MG-XMetal 5.99 ea. I am not sure about these but I think they may be related to the Taiyo Yuden Company (That's) and therefore would not be too bad but certainly not as good as, say, the Fuji below or the SKC above. **************************************** 6)Fuji FR Metal 5.99 ea. I personally like all Fuji tapes for their consistency and fine performance. From their metals I use a few a Metal Z 90s which I find to be excellent. ***************************** Here are some tapes listed in the 1994 Stereo Buyers Guide; 1) 3M Blackwatch 100 min. Metal 6.00 ea. A consistent award winner, so I would accept it's general aclaim as being well-founded. ***************************************** 2)Radio Shack Supertape Metal MIV-90 5.99 ea. This is a domestic US retailer which did not sell it's brands outside the country, so I do not know it. ********************************** 3)Memorex CDX-4 Metal 110 min. 7.99 ea. Good tape but a rather steep price and I personally would avaoid spending as much as this on a 110 minute tape. ****************************************** 4)Fuji Superfine 90 min. 11.95 ea. Do not know this tape, but judging from the price I would say it is a "super-metal" in the vein of TDK MA-XG. Might be interesting to get one......... *********************************** 5)Dennon HDM Metal 100 min. 5.99 ea. Wonderful type IV - predictable excellent performance and best used with top three head decks. Lasts the mileage too. ******************************** 6)BASF DCC Maxima D-90 12.99 ea. NOTa compact cassette - but is instead a DCC cassette. These machines record PASC digital code onto the tape linearly during the recording process, and the deck DACs convert it back into music in the playback mode. Philips, Marantz and Technics made machines back in the early 90s. *************************** Thanks Jerry and good luck!! Marc The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From ti at amb.org Wed Oct 22 09:26:12 2003 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 00:26:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Repair In-Reply-To: <7D27F1A9BFDCAC429A19F86F8CE60F7B4881BB@aelmail02.ocps.k12.fl.us> from "Johnson, Gary" at Oct 21, 2003 07:04:11 PM Message-ID: <200310220726.HAA16090@amb.org> Johnson, Gary writes: > Hello Ti, > > I'm the original poster on Naktalk about the FedEx damage on the Dragon. I = > just looked at the 2 photos you posted of your Dragon. I have to admitt, it= > looks remarkably like the one I received (damage). You said in the post th= > at the seller took it back and gave you the money back also. Was the seller= > an eBay seller? The reason I'm asking is because the deck I bought was fro= > m an eBay seller, Jeff Schulberg. He didn't get a bid on eBay so I bought i= > t from him after the auction ended. I think he might even be a Naktalk memb= > er. Anyways, I'm just wondering if this might be the one-in-the-same deck. = > I seriously doubt that he would sell a bad deck but then again, who knows f= > or sure. The eBay auction was: 3051521760 > > Regards, > Gary Johnson Yes, mine was bought was eBay, but it was not the same seller. -Ti -- /// Ti Kan Vorsprung durch Technik /// AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA /// ti at amb.org ////// http://www.amb.org/ti/ /// From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Wed Oct 22 16:00:00 2003 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:00:00 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RX- 505 Squeaking (Tom Siomopoulos) Message-ID: Tom: Still no good. The font size of your attachment is zoomed way too large. Any way of scanning a standard size 8X10 into your computer, for later download at my end? Thanks! Neil >From: Thomas Siomopoulos >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] RX- 505 Squeaking (Tom Siomopoulos) >Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 08:48:49 +1000 > >Neil try this file, if no good let me know. > > Regards, > > Tom. > >-----Original Message----- >From: neil lipes [mailto:neillipes628 at hotmail.com] >Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2003 11:35 >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] RX- 505 Squeaking (Tom Siomopoulos) > > >Tom: I was speaking about the attachment . Neil > > > >From: Thomas Siomopoulos > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] RX- 505 Squeaking (Tom Siomopoulos) > >Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 23:10:15 +1000 > > > >Hi Neil. Are you referring to the attachment or the actual e-mail? > > > > Regards, > > > > Tom. > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: neil lipes [mailto:neillipes628 at hotmail.com] > >Sent: Monday, 20 October 2003 10:22 > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: [naktalk] RX- 505 Squeaking (Tom Siomopoulos) > > > > > >Dear Tom: Thanks for this information. I can't download your information > >due > > > >to the font size. I attempted to change same at my end...Not able to. > > > >Any way you can reduce the size of the information? If not I will pay for > >postage to mail to me. > > > >By size I mean standard 81/2 by 11. > > > >Thank you! > > > >NeilLipes > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Cheer a special someone with a fun Halloween eCard from American >Greetings! > >Go to http://www.msn.americangreetings.com/index_msn.pd?source=msne134 > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >_________________________________________________________________ >Never get a busy signal because you are always connected with high-speed >Internet access. Click here to comparison-shop providers. >https://broadband.msn.com > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ><< Nak_Elim_Squeak.jpg >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ See when your friends are online with MSN Messenger 6.0. Download it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com From fsamuel921 at hotmail.com Wed Oct 22 19:07:24 2003 From: fsamuel921 at hotmail.com (Anthony Samuel) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 12:07:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Blank Tapes From 1988,1994 Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mwhipple at charter.net Wed Oct 22 20:38:04 2003 From: mwhipple at charter.net (Matthew Whipple) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 14:38:04 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RX- 505 Squeaking (Tom Siomopoulos) References: Message-ID: <013e01c398cb$a16241a0$2adc6799@nat67369> Hope I'm not butting in here, but I don't understand the issue with the file. It is just an image (jpeg). I downloaded it and printed it on a standard sheet of paper just fine. ----- Original Message ----- From: "neil lipes" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 10:00 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] RX- 505 Squeaking (Tom Siomopoulos) > Tom: Still no good. The font size of your attachment is zoomed way too > large. Any way of scanning a standard size 8X10 into your computer, for > later download at my end? > > Thanks! > > Neil > > > >From: Thomas Siomopoulos > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] RX- 505 Squeaking (Tom Siomopoulos) > >Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 08:48:49 +1000 > > > >Neil try this file, if no good let me know. > > > > Regards, > > > > Tom. > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: neil lipes [mailto:neillipes628 at hotmail.com] > >Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2003 11:35 > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] RX- 505 Squeaking (Tom Siomopoulos) > > > > > >Tom: I was speaking about the attachment . Neil > > > > > > >From: Thomas Siomopoulos > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] RX- 505 Squeaking (Tom Siomopoulos) > > >Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 23:10:15 +1000 > > > > > >Hi Neil. Are you referring to the attachment or the actual e-mail? > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Tom. > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: neil lipes [mailto:neillipes628 at hotmail.com] > > >Sent: Monday, 20 October 2003 10:22 > > >To: naktalk at naks.com > > >Subject: [naktalk] RX- 505 Squeaking (Tom Siomopoulos) > > > > > > > > >Dear Tom: Thanks for this information. I can't download your information > > >due > > > > > >to the font size. I attempted to change same at my end...Not able to. > > > > > >Any way you can reduce the size of the information? If not I will pay for > > >postage to mail to me. > > > > > >By size I mean standard 81/2 by 11. > > > > > >Thank you! > > > > > >NeilLipes > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > >Cheer a special someone with a fun Halloween eCard from American > >Greetings! > > >Go to http://www.msn.americangreetings.com/index_msn.pd?source=msne134 > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Never get a busy signal because you are always connected with high-speed > >Internet access. Click here to comparison-shop providers. > >https://broadband.msn.com > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ><< Nak_Elim_Squeak.jpg >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > _________________________________________________________________ > See when your friends are online with MSN Messenger 6.0. Download it now > FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Wed Oct 22 20:59:11 2003 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 14:59:11 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Blank Tapes From 1988,1994 Message-ID: Speaking of tapes....Can I still obtain the Pacific Coast Labs. tapes of albums released on the Nakamichi reference series tapes?...I purchased some when I bought my RX-505. Thanks Neil. >From: "Mark Hugo" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: , >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Blank Tapes From 1988,1994 >Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:27:36 +0200 > >Howdy Gerald, > >I'll go through your list as thoroughly as I can. Some of the tapes I >don't know. >*************** >1)goldstarMTX901L metal particle 4.99 ea. > >Very good for quite an attractive price: Quiet running, very slightly >sibilant like Philips Metal Plus, but on the whole a good, rugged metal. >********************* >2)Loran ESQ Chrome 4.99 ea. > >Unknown to me. >*************************** >3)Recoton >XR-10 Normal 13.99 ea. > >Don't know of it. > >******************************* > >4)SKC Zx Metal 5.59 ea. > >Truly excellent metal, magic on a Nakamichi and identical in every respect >to a Sony Metal-ES of which it is a copy. Sony licenced SKM Ltd (Korea) to >make tapes and ZX is a clone - and a perfect one. Bargain. > >******************************* > >5)Triad MG-XMetal 5.99 ea. > >I am not sure about these but I think they may be related to the Taiyo >Yuden Company (That's) and therefore would not be too bad but certainly not >as good as, say, the Fuji below or the SKC above. >**************************************** >6)Fuji FR Metal 5.99 ea. > >I personally like all Fuji tapes for their consistency and fine >performance. From their metals I use a few a Metal Z 90s which I find to >be excellent. > ***************************** > > Here are some tapes listed in the 1994 Stereo Buyers Guide; > >1) 3M Blackwatch 100 min. Metal 6.00 ea. > >A consistent award winner, so I would accept it's general aclaim as being >well-founded. >***************************************** >2)Radio Shack Supertape Metal MIV-90 5.99 ea. > >This is a domestic US retailer which did not sell it's brands outside the >country, so I do not know it. >********************************** >3)Memorex CDX-4 Metal 110 min. 7.99 ea. > >Good tape but a rather steep price and I personally would avaoid spending >as much as this on a 110 minute tape. >****************************************** >4)Fuji Superfine 90 min. 11.95 ea. > >Do not know this tape, but judging from the price I would say it is a >"super-metal" in the vein of TDK MA-XG. Might be interesting to get >one......... >*********************************** >5)Dennon HDM Metal 100 min. 5.99 ea. > >Wonderful type IV - predictable excellent performance and best used with >top three head decks. Lasts the mileage too. >******************************** >6)BASF DCC Maxima D-90 12.99 ea. > >NOTa compact cassette - but is instead a DCC cassette. These machines >record PASC digital code onto the tape linearly during the recording >process, and the deck DACs convert it back into music in the playback mode. > Philips, Marantz and Technics made machines back in the early 90s. >*************************** > > >Thanks Jerry and good luck!! > > >Marc > >The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject >to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or >more >attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use >of the >named recipient/s. > >If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, >disclose >or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in >reliance on it. >If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by >replying to >this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your >computer. > >All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are >present >in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or >damage arising >from the use of this email or attachments. > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Concerned that messages may bounce because your Hotmail account has exceeded its 2MB storage limit? Get Hotmail Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es From g_valkov at hotmail.com Wed Oct 22 21:04:07 2003 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 22:04:07 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] RX- 505 Squeaking (Tom Siomopoulos) Message-ID: Guys, can't you sort this out off-list please ? Thanks, George ----Original Message Follows---- From: "neil lipes" Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] RX- 505 Squeaking (Tom Siomopoulos) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:00:00 -0400 Tom: Still no good. The font size of your attachment is zoomed way too large. Any way of scanning a standard size 8X10 into your computer, for later download at my end? Thanks! Neil >From: Thomas Siomopoulos >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] RX- 505 Squeaking (Tom Siomopoulos) >Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 08:48:49 +1000 > >Neil try this file, if no good let me know. > > Regards, > > Tom. > >-----Original Message----- >From: neil lipes [mailto:neillipes628 at hotmail.com] >Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2003 11:35 >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] RX- 505 Squeaking (Tom Siomopoulos) > > >Tom: I was speaking about the attachment . Neil > > > >From: Thomas Siomopoulos > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] RX- 505 Squeaking (Tom Siomopoulos) > >Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 23:10:15 +1000 > > > >Hi Neil. Are you referring to the attachment or the actual e-mail? > > > > Regards, > > > > Tom. > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: neil lipes [mailto:neillipes628 at hotmail.com] > >Sent: Monday, 20 October 2003 10:22 > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: [naktalk] RX- 505 Squeaking (Tom Siomopoulos) > > > > > >Dear Tom: Thanks for this information. I can't download your information > >due > > > >to the font size. I attempted to change same at my end...Not able to. > > > >Any way you can reduce the size of the information? If not I will pay for > >postage to mail to me. > > > >By size I mean standard 81/2 by 11. > > > >Thank you! > > > >NeilLipes > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Cheer a special someone with a fun Halloween eCard from American >Greetings! > >Go to http://www.msn.americangreetings.com/index_msn.pd?source=msne134 > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >_________________________________________________________________ >Never get a busy signal because you are always connected with high-speed >Internet access. Click here to comparison-shop providers. >https://broadband.msn.com > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ><< Nak_Elim_Squeak.jpg >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ See when your friends are online with MSN Messenger 6.0. Download it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From gwmunger at bestweb.net Wed Oct 22 22:13:45 2003 From: gwmunger at bestweb.net (geochapp20) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:13:45 EST Subject: [naktalk] To Pack Your Nak Message-ID: <3f96d6e9.148c9.0@bestweb.net> I think that the issue of secure packing for Nak decks, or any other sensitive gear, is a very important factor in keeping your Nak in good shape. I'd much rather spend some extra money up front, than have the hassle to file a claim. I also think that we may often control how well our Naks are shipped, just as long as we take the proper precautions. When possible, I save the original packing material that came with the new unit, so I have it ready, whenever needed. Most manufacturers have decent packing materials (with some exceptions) but I think Nak gear was prepared with good packing from the factory. The original packing may also enhance the value if & when I want to sell. When no original packing is at hand, I may seek out a good, local shipping & packing facility as an alternative to doing it myself. However, just because a business exists, does not guarantee they will do a good packing job, and I will make the effort to find a qualified packer. Quite often, it seems that these facilities think it enough to just take any big box and place the Nak in the center of the box, fill it with polystyrene (Styrofoam) peanuts and/or foam panels and apply some tape. Note: That may not always be sufficient to secure your Nak. I consider 3 sub-factors when shipping without original packing materials: Container, fill & carrier. 1) CONTAINERS. I am careful NOT to choose a flimsy outer container. I believe that in the USA, corrugated boxes will have a 'box certificate' stamped, showing crush-resistance and other related specs. I make an effort to find out the correct specs, for the full size and total weight of the gear, packing & box. If I do not know, I may ask or surf around for more info on this topic. Also, just as Richard Hess pointed out, I will double box the Nak. The inner box helps to protect knobs, cassette doors, etc., after I wrap the Nak with bubble-wrap. IN ALL CASES, THE FIRST thing I do is to fit the Nak tightly inside a clean plastic bag; this will help to keep out any stray cardboard, foam, dust, and polystyrene particles, which can find their way in to the most remote spaces and wreak havok with your electronic gear. 2) FILL MATERIAL. I think that the MOST SECURE fill material, that I have yet come across, is plastic-bag-filled, CUSTOM-HEAT-MOLDED SOLID FOAM, to fit all-around (top, bottom + 4 sides) of the Nak & inner box. I have not seen this available for do-it-your-self'ers; only in some facilities. This may be costly, but it may be better than any other method, as it precisely fits your Nak & your box and it keeps it shape, so it keeps the gear from shifting, and it absorbs shocks very well. Another method are AIR-BAGS (you won't need to dismantle your car's dash). This seems to be the latest method of choice, because it is so inexpensive, easy, lightweight, reusable, and quite effective when properly done. And of course, there is BUBBLE-WRAP and/or FOAM PANELS. Peanuts are ok, but I will use them only between an inner and outer box. NOTE: If the distance is short, the follow may not matter; but for longer distances, I avoid using loose polystyrene 'peanuts' (Strofoam) as they tend to settle during transit, allowing shifting of the gear and loss of energy absorbtion on the upper portion. The gaps between the peanuts may do little to absorb shock, allowing the outer box to flex. With enough flexing, which can be greatly induced with a weak box, the outer box can be reduced to hardly more than a wobbling, oversize soft-shelled lump, almost eliminating any protection. A seller, 800 miles away, once shipped to me in New York, an 85 pound Tascam open reel recorder. The shipment was prepared by a 'pro' packing facility for $50 plus UPS freight. The unit arrived with the flimsy outer box seriously flexing, misshaped and partially open, oozing peanuts all over. 3) CARRIER. I don't think that any one carrier has continuously any better or any worse a chance to DAMAGE your Nak more than another. I don't think that there is a monopoly for mishandling by any one carrier. I DO believe that the less handling, the better, and so shipping by air (although more costly) may reduce the opportunities for damage. In any case, I take much of the responsibility to properly safeguard my Nak during transit, both incoming and ourgoing, and I advise others who I am involved with, just what my shipping preferences are. By the way, I recently bought another heavy Tascam open-reel from a seller in Maryland. I decided to DRIVE THERE by car, and pick up the unit myself (still taking serious precautions in packing the machine) rather than take my chances with who-knows-who, but this was very costly and it took me 2 days. But not one scratch or dent during the event. And finally, and not for nothing, they aren't making any more Dragons. So I hope to provide as few opportunities for a loss, as much as possible. Happy listening, George Munger >------------------------------ > >Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:38:46 -0700 >From: "Richard L. Hess" >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Repair >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >I've had odd challenges with both UPS and FedEx ground over shipping tape >recorders. > >(1) Sony APR-5003V -- overbridge ripped off by UPS. Claim originally denied >because package was marked fragile. I know the driver who comes to my >company--he got me a check in a week when a rare LP was folded in half. I >proposed to them that they give me $350 of the $550 I paid for the deck. >Finally they gave the seller even more, and he gave me the $350, but both >the seller and I had to work them over. > >(2) Studer A810 -- The carton was obviously dropped more than once. The >machine did not work on power up. I ended up not being charged for the >shipping. The machine was a gift and is now a parts machine. > >(3) Akai CR-80D-SS -- The seller could have packed this better, but >ultimately--after four months--FedEx ground paid and I got a full >refund--and got to keep the machine. I would have given them back the >machine, but they didn't want it. The seller told me to throw it out. I'm >keeping it for the few remaining unbroken parts--the head came of its >mount! This was to be a parts machine anyway... > >With my knowing the UPS driver, I think I prefer UPS to FE Ground. FE Air >is the best, actually, and that's how my first Dragon came, but even that >one had the front panel slightly offset. > >Shipping is a pain--especially tape recorders. Double boxing is a must with >3" of peanuts between boxes and soft foam around the machine inside the >inner box. > >Cheers, > >Richard > >------------------------------ From buyer at tiger-tiger.com Wed Oct 22 22:27:43 2003 From: buyer at tiger-tiger.com (Matthew Brody) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:27:43 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] RX- 505 Squeaking (Tom Siomopoulos) References: <013e01c398cb$a16241a0$2adc6799@nat67369> Message-ID: <3F96E83F.1050106@tiger-tiger.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Wed Oct 22 23:11:13 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 02:41:13 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] To Pack Your Nak Message-ID: <20031022211113.B1A1415E2A@vsnlbill.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Wed Oct 22 23:55:50 2003 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 17:55:50 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] To Pack Your Nak Message-ID: RE: Packing.... Over the years I have shipped many items to the "other" coast from the NYC area, in every case where I did not double box (due to being lazy) I was the one who suffered in the end. In every instance where I double boxed and used the proper packing material I suffered no ill effects. I will add that I do my own packing. The "Yahoo" at the "shipping is us" or other such "institution" really does not care about your "pride and joy". I have seen first hand how "fragile" items are shipped out from places like these. I have been buying and selling high-end Betamax machines for years, and I would never even consider shipping such units unless I did the packing and double-box shipping. Years ago I had several RX505 machines in for repair at Nakamichi in Torrance, California. The original boxes were always used and no damage occurred (although I shipped UPS Red in all instances). Just wanted to "weigh" in with my valueless 2CENTS Regards. Neil >From: kannan_s at vsnl.com >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] To Pack Your Nak >Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 02:41:13 +0530 (IST) > > >George >It is good somebody writes down all the fine points of packing your nak >gear for worst of treatment lying ahead in their shipment across the >continent. >Most important for most of the Nak gear is mechanism as well as the Display >with Glass in front of your Deck. What I do is to keep a good gap between >the front and the box by placing rigid Polyurethene foam cut out from your >available packaging ( I assume that the original Nak box and packings are >missing)between the front of the deck to the box front face. Fill the place >between the glass front and the box with Bubble wrap plastic sheet which >will cushion the glass front. See that these rigid foam touches only safe >edges of Deck where there is metal flat plate is available to resist >dropping forces on them. This is what the original Nak poyurethene formed >foam packing palced at the sides of the Deck. And preferably add second >carton over this one to give additional rigitidy to the package. During >transportation the deck shoud not move inside the carton which will prevent >damages during rough ride across the roads. To avoid movement you have to >place rigid foam on all sides > of the deck. And finally insure your item hoping that you do not need to >claim that later on! >kannan > >gwmunger at bestweb.net wrote >I think that the issue of secure packing for Nak decks, or any other >sensitive >gear, is a very important factor in keeping your Nak in good shape. I'd >much >rather spend some extra money up front, than have the hassle to file a >claim. >I also think that we may often control how well our Naks are shipped, just >as >long as we take the proper precautions. > >When possible, I save the original packing material that came with the new >unit, >so I have it ready, whenever needed. Most manufacturers have decent packing >materials (with some exceptions) but I think Nak gear was prepared with >good >packing from the factory. The original packing may also enhance the value >if >& when I want to sell. When no original packing is at hand, I may seek out >a >good, local shipping & packing facility as an alternative to doing it >myself. >However, just because a business exists, does not guarantee they will do a >good >packing job, and I will make the effort to find a qualified packer. Quite >often, >it seems that these facilities think it enough to just take any big box and >place the Nak in the center of the box, fill it with polystyrene >(Styrofoam) >peanuts and/or foam panels and apply some tape. Note: That may not always >be >sufficient to secure your Nak. > >I consider 3 sub-factors when shipping without original packing materials: >Container, >fill & carrier. > >1) CONTAINERS. I am careful NOT to choose a flimsy outer container. I >believe >that in the USA, corrugated boxes will have a 'box certificate' stamped, >showing >crush-resistance and other related specs. I make an effort to find out the >correct >specs, for the full size and total weight of the gear, packing & box. If I >do >not know, I may ask or surf around for more info on this topic. Also, just >as >Richard Hess pointed out, I will double box the Nak. The inner box helps to >protect knobs, cassette doors, etc., after I wrap the Nak with bubble-wrap. >IN ALL CASES, THE FIRST thing I do is to fit the Nak tightly inside a clean >plastic bag; this will help to keep out any stray cardboard, foam, dust, >and >polystyrene particles, which can find their way in to the most remote >spaces >and wreak havok with your electronic gear. >2) FILL MATERIAL. I think that the MOST SECURE fill material, that I have >yet >come across, is plastic-bag-filled, CUSTOM-HEAT-MOLDED SOLID FOAM, to fit >all-around >(top, bottom + 4 sides) of the Nak & inner box. I have not seen this >available >for do-it-your-self'ers; only in some facilities. This may be costly, but >it >may be better than any other method, as it precisely fits your Nak & your >box >and it keeps it shape, so it keeps the gear from shifting, and it absorbs >shocks >very well. >Another method are AIR-BAGS (you won't need to dismantle your car's dash). >This seems to be the latest method of choice, because it is so inexpensive, >easy, lightweight, reusable, and quite effective when properly done. And of >course, there is BUBBLE-WRAP and/or FOAM PANELS. Peanuts are ok, but I will >use them only between an inner and outer box. >NOTE: If the distance is short, the follow may not matter; but for longer >distances, >I avoid using loose polystyrene 'peanuts' (Strofoam) as they tend to settle >during transit, allowing shifting of the gear and loss of energy absorbtion >on the upper portion. The gaps between the peanuts may do little to absorb >shock, >allowing the outer box to flex. With enough flexing, which can be greatly >induced >with a weak box, the outer box can be reduced to hardly more than a >wobbling, >oversize soft-shelled lump, almost eliminating any protection. A seller, >800 >miles away, once shipped to me in New York, an 85 pound Tascam open reel >recorder. >The shipment was prepared by a 'pro' packing facility for $50 plus UPS >freight. >The unit arrived with the flimsy outer box seriously flexing, misshaped and >partially open, oozing peanuts all over. > >3) CARRIER. I don't think that any one carrier has continuously any better >or >any worse a chance to DAMAGE your Nak more than another. I don't think that >there is a monopoly for mishandling by any one carrier. I DO believe that >the >less handling, the better, and so shipping by air (although more costly) >may >reduce the opportunities for damage. > >In any case, I take much of the responsibility to properly safeguard my Nak >during transit, both incoming and ourgoing, and I advise others who I am >involved >with, just what my shipping preferences are. > >By the way, I recently bought another heavy Tascam open-reel from a seller >in >Maryland. I decided to DRIVE THERE by car, and pick up the unit myself >(still >taking serious precautions in packing the machine) rather than take my >chances >with who-knows-who, but this was very costly and it took me 2 days. But >not >one scratch or dent during the event. > >And finally, and not for nothing, they aren't making any more Dragons. So I >hope to provide as few opportunities for a loss, as much as possible. > >Happy listening, >George Munger > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Want to check if your PC is virus-infected? Get a FREE computer virus scan online from McAfee. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Thu Oct 23 02:10:30 2003 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 20:10:30 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RX- 505 Squeaking (Tom Siomopoulos) Message-ID: George: Tom was kind enough to attempt to forward through cyberspace some service information released by Nakamichi to help me with my deck. Unfortinately the information will not download for me..And he is attempting to help me. I find it amazing that this exchange between Tom and myself "bothers" you. What exactly is the group chat site for if not to help fellow Nakamichi devotees? The amount of cyber "print" exchanged between Tom and myself is so infantesimal that for you to even bring it up makes me ponder just exactely what you THINK a forum should be? This is a hobby! I'm extrely happy that I "stumbled" onto your group, and I intend to use it to it's fullest. >From: "George Valkov" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] RX- 505 Squeaking (Tom Siomopoulos) >Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 22:04:07 +0300 > >Guys, can't you sort this out off-list please ? > >Thanks, >George > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: "neil lipes" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] RX- 505 Squeaking (Tom Siomopoulos) >Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:00:00 -0400 > >Tom: Still no good. The font size of your attachment is zoomed way too >large. Any way of scanning a standard size 8X10 into your computer, for >later download at my end? > >Thanks! > >Neil > > >>From: Thomas Siomopoulos >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >>Subject: RE: [naktalk] RX- 505 Squeaking (Tom Siomopoulos) >>Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 08:48:49 +1000 >> >>Neil try this file, if no good let me know. >> >> Regards, >> >> Tom. >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: neil lipes [mailto:neillipes628 at hotmail.com] >>Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2003 11:35 >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: RE: [naktalk] RX- 505 Squeaking (Tom Siomopoulos) >> >> >>Tom: I was speaking about the attachment . Neil >> >> >> >From: Thomas Siomopoulos >> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >> >Subject: RE: [naktalk] RX- 505 Squeaking (Tom Siomopoulos) >> >Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 23:10:15 +1000 >> > >> >Hi Neil. Are you referring to the attachment or the actual e-mail? >> > >> > Regards, >> > >> > Tom. >> > >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: neil lipes [mailto:neillipes628 at hotmail.com] >> >Sent: Monday, 20 October 2003 10:22 >> >To: naktalk at naks.com >> >Subject: [naktalk] RX- 505 Squeaking (Tom Siomopoulos) >> > >> > >> >Dear Tom: Thanks for this information. I can't download your information >> >due >> > >> >to the font size. I attempted to change same at my end...Not able to. >> > >> >Any way you can reduce the size of the information? If not I will pay >>for >> >postage to mail to me. >> > >> >By size I mean standard 81/2 by 11. >> > >> >Thank you! >> > >> >NeilLipes >> > >> >_________________________________________________________________ >> >Cheer a special someone with a fun Halloween eCard from American >>Greetings! >> >Go to http://www.msn.americangreetings.com/index_msn.pd?source=msne134 >> > >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Never get a busy signal because you are always connected with high-speed >>Internet access. Click here to comparison-shop providers. >>https://broadband.msn.com >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >><< Nak_Elim_Squeak.jpg >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >_________________________________________________________________ >See when your friends are online with MSN Messenger 6.0. 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Click here to comparison-shop providers. https://broadband.msn.com From ztiller at hotmail.com Thu Oct 23 02:55:45 2003 From: ztiller at hotmail.com (Rob X) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 19:55:45 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] To Pack Your Nak Message-ID: Hello, I have been eying a Dragon or two on eBay to play a large collection of pre-recorded tapes I inherited. However, after reading of the trouble several have had with shipping them, I'm really having second thoughts on acquiring one I can't go pick up. I just don't believe I could convince a seller of the importance of strong, secure packing for this deck. Thanks for sharing your experiences. _________________________________________________________________ Add MSN 8 Internet Software to your current Internet access and enjoy patented spam control and more. Get two months FREE! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/byoa From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Oct 23 05:25:37 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:25:37 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] No more Emtec. Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D207@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Howdy all. As you may have guessed from my subject heading Emtec products have ceased to exist in Melbourne. All of their optical, video & audio products are no longer available anywhere. Can anyone else tell me if the same is happening at your part of the world? Regards Tom Siomopoulos From copytec at coqui.net Thu Oct 23 14:26:03 2003 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlitos Jr.) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 07:26:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Blank Tapes From 1988,1994 References: <5184-3F95DFA6-4743@storefull-2231.public.lawson.webtv.net> Message-ID: <002601c39960$d3e646e0$39773242@coqui.net> Sure, Gerald. Loran was a good one. Never liked Memorex. Denon was of very high quality and the Black Watch was a classic. I still have Black Watch C-100 un-used. I found a Pro Audio store in Hollywood with a lot of Cassette Tapes from those hey days era. I bought many ... Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerald G." To: Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 8:38 PM Subject: [naktalk] Blank Tapes From 1988,1994 > Does anyone have any experience with any of these obscure tapes i > stumbled across in the 1988 Annual Equipment Directory? 1)goldstar > MTX901L metal particle 4.99 ea. 2)Loran ESQ Chrome 4.99 ea. 3)Recoton > XR-10 Normal 13.99 ea. 4)SKC Zx Metal 5.59 ea. 5)Triad MG-XMetal 5.99 > ea. 6)Fuji FR Metal 5.99 ea. ...These are all prices for 90 minute > cassettes Here are > some tapes listed in the 1994 Stereo Buyers Guide; 1) 3M Blackwatch 100 > min. Metal 6.00 ea. 2)Radio Shack Supertape Metal MIV-90 5.99 ea. > 3)Memorex CDX-4 Metal 110 min. 7.99 ea. 4)Fuji Superfine 90 min. 11.95 > ea. 5)Dennon HDM Metal 100 min. 5.99 ea. 6)BASF DCC Maxima D-90 12.99 > ea. > > thank you very much, > gerald > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From rjkent at comcast.net Thu Oct 23 16:46:18 2003 From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 07:46:18 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] EMTEC Message-ID: <001801c39974$6b955270$ed06e90c@B8142DE8> Hi Tom, Judging by their website, it looks like EMTEC is going strong in Europe. Their overall US site is under construction, but their multimedia site is up and running. The products, including cassettes are still available from various on-line retailers here in the US. The Total Media link is attached. http://www.totalmedia.com/catalog/catalog_home.asp?CatID=1233&OID=-1&CID=&bustype=01 http://products.emtec-group.com/en/en/Consumer_Media/ Robert Kent -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From g_valkov at hotmail.com Thu Oct 23 19:41:26 2003 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 20:41:26 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Off-topic messages Message-ID: Neil, I am more than happy that you found our group and I have no objection to the exchange of information within it. However, I do not see why the whole list (and it's a mailing list, not a chat room)has to be involved with the problem of you not being able to download an attachment. If you receive like me over 200 e-mails daily, every message which has no relation whatsoever to the forum's topic becomes redundant. You had a problem and sent it to the forum, then Tom replied to you attaching some very interesting information - fantastic, that's exactly what the forum is about ! However, the following messages of the type "I got it, but can't read it", "I sent it again, how is it now", " I still can't read it", "The font is too big", "the font is too small" etc., etc., etc., could easily have gone directly between the two of you. The question and the answer are on the forum, anyone who wants to comment can do it. When you're on a slow dial-up connection (which is probably the case for more participants than you actually think), each message you open only to delete immediately is a waste of time, bandwidth, money and my case, eyesight. Wouter went to the trouble of creating two additional mailing lists (audiotalk and nakmart) just so that we do not clutter up Naktalk - let's respect that. As you might (not) have noticed, I also go to the trouble of changing the subject line of a message so that it reflects better its contents. We had a discussion on the list maybe a year ago on these subjects and the two new lists were one of the things that came out of it. Keep nakkin' ! George ----Original Message Follows---- From: "neil lipes" Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] RX- 505 Squeaking (Tom Siomopoulos) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 20:10:30 -0400 George: Tom was kind enough to attempt to forward through cyberspace some service information released by Nakamichi to help me with my deck. Unfortinately the information will not download for me..And he is attempting to help me. I find it amazing that this exchange between Tom and myself "bothers" you. What exactly is the group chat site for if not to help fellow Nakamichi devotees? The amount of cyber "print" exchanged between Tom and myself is so infantesimal that for you to even bring it up makes me ponder just exactely what you THINK a forum should be? This is a hobby! I'm extrely happy that I "stumbled" onto your group, and I intend to use it to it's fullest. _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From kannan_s at vsnl.com Thu Oct 23 19:55:49 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 23:25:49 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] RX- 505 Squeaking (Tom Siomopoulos Message-ID: <20031023175549.66FC915EAD@vsnlbill.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From RTLehe at aol.com Thu Oct 23 20:57:24 2003 From: RTLehe at aol.com (RTLehe at aol.com) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:57:24 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR3a--idler or gear Message-ID: <0067F6F0.47272E1A.0004E774@aol.com> There is a CR3a on ebay and the seller is saying that it has had the gear modification done so there is no need to replace the idler every few years. But I thought only the 5 and 7 still had the BX type idlers and that the CR 1,2, and 3 had the gear drive. Which is it? Thanks. Tad From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Oct 23 23:20:30 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 22:20:30 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] To Pack Your Nak In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000201c399ab$7cc13500$dc884c51@oemcomputer> Rob Clearly specify to the seller that, if successful, you would expect double boxing of the deck, and would s/he be willing to accommodate that? If they say "yes" you'll probably get what you ask for. If they say "no", don't bid. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Rob X > Sent: 23 October 2003 01:56 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] To Pack Your Nak > > > Hello, > I have been eying a Dragon or two on eBay to play a large collection of > pre-recorded tapes I inherited. However, after reading of the trouble > several have had with shipping them, I'm really having second thoughts on > acquiring one I can't go pick up. > > I just don't believe I could convince a seller of the importance > of strong, > secure packing for this deck. Thanks for sharing your experiences. > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.530 / Virus Database: 325 - Release Date: 22/10/03 From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Oct 23 23:20:33 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 22:20:33 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RX- 505 Squeaking In-Reply-To: <20031023175549.66FC915EAD@vsnlbill.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <000301c399ab$7e434120$dc884c51@oemcomputer> Anyone for Camomile tea? I hear it calms the nerves when one is feeling tense and irritable ... a nice cup with some soothing music on the Nak might be just what we need .... Smile guys! Don't get so hot under the collar - Life is too short! :o) Gra' > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.530 / Virus Database: 325 - Release Date: 22/10/03 From jerryjg at webtv.net Fri Oct 24 05:15:19 2003 From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 22:15:19 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [naktalk] weird science Message-ID: <23915-3F989947-3004@storefull-2236.public.lawson.webtv.net> ive been dreaming of an exotic set up and it is as follows; i own an rx-303-i was pondering getting another rx-303,and splitting the signal from my pre-amp and recording mono into each Nak. would not that sound twice as good(double the information)?Then i could mix down onto ,say,my 700TT. only problem i figuring out how to start each nak at simelatane...simouletan,,,,,at the same time.i think they make a device that controls stereo components,i dont know.is this like off the wal or has anyone ever heard of such a thing.also thanks to the nak gurus and venerable masters for helping worthless dog servant! thank you very much, gerald From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Fri Oct 24 01:20:51 2003 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 19:20:51 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Off-topic messages Message-ID: Dear George: I read your response to mine, and all your points are well taken. Taken from the vantage point you suggest, I am in total agreement. Had I had another avenue of contact to reach Tom, I certainly would have chatted "it up" utilizing that other venue. Since I only had this way to reach Tom, I did so. Tom, if you are reading this, please if possible, provide an alternative e-mail address. In closing George, please accept my thanks for getting me off my "high horse" something my wife says I do all too often! Regards, Neil. >From: "George Valkov" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Off-topic messages >Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 20:41:26 +0300 > >Neil, > >I am more than happy that you found our group and I have no objection to >the exchange of information within it. However, I do not see why the whole >list (and it's a mailing list, not a chat room)has to be involved with the >problem of you not being able to download an attachment. If you receive >like me over 200 e-mails daily, every message which has no relation >whatsoever to the forum's topic becomes redundant. You had a problem and >sent it to the forum, then Tom replied to you attaching some very >interesting information - fantastic, that's exactly what the forum is about >! However, the following messages of the type "I got it, but can't read >it", "I sent it again, how is it now", " I still can't read it", "The font >is too big", "the font is too small" etc., etc., etc., could easily have >gone directly between the two of you. The question and the answer are on >the forum, anyone who wants to comment can do it. When you're on a slow >dial-up connection (which is probably the case for more participants than >you actually think), each message you open only to delete immediately is a >waste of time, bandwidth, money and my case, eyesight. > >Wouter went to the trouble of creating two additional mailing lists >(audiotalk and nakmart) just so that we do not clutter up Naktalk - let's >respect that. As you might (not) have noticed, I also go to the trouble of >changing the subject line of a message so that it reflects better its >contents. We had a discussion on the list maybe a year ago on these >subjects and the two new lists were one of the things that came out of it. > >Keep nakkin' ! > >George > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: "neil lipes" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] RX- 505 Squeaking (Tom Siomopoulos) >Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 20:10:30 -0400 > >George: > >Tom was kind enough to attempt to forward through cyberspace some service >information released by >Nakamichi to help me with my deck. Unfortinately the information will not >download for me..And he is attempting to help me. > >I find it amazing that this exchange between Tom and myself "bothers" you. >What exactly is the group chat site for if not to help fellow Nakamichi >devotees? > >The amount of cyber "print" exchanged between Tom and myself is so >infantesimal that for you to even bring it up makes me ponder just exactely >what you THINK a forum should be? > >This is a hobby! > >I'm extrely happy that I "stumbled" onto your group, and I intend to use it >to it's fullest. > >_________________________________________________________________ >STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ See when your friends are online with MSN Messenger 6.0. Download it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Fri Oct 24 04:28:59 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:28:59 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] RX- 505 Squeaking Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D210@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> I've just had a cuppa :) -----Original Message----- From: Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Friday, 24 October 2003 7:21 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] RX- 505 Squeaking Anyone for Camomile tea? I hear it calms the nerves when one is feeling tense and irritable ... a nice cup with some soothing music on the Nak might be just what we need .... Smile guys! Don't get so hot under the collar - Life is too short! :o) Gra' > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.530 / Virus Database: 325 - Release Date: 22/10/03 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri Oct 24 09:54:12 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:54:12 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] Off-topic messages - THE END In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <14246.212.78.179.234.1066982052.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> That was the last post on this topic. Please note when you reply to a message you don't reply just to one Naktalk member but to a whole group of people, where most of them may not have any interest in your post. If you want to thank someone or ask a personal question please to this in private. So please keep all of this in mind before hitting 'reply'! Thank you! Wouter From ti at amb.org Fri Oct 24 09:55:28 2003 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 00:55:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] weird science In-Reply-To: <23915-3F989947-3004@storefull-2236.public.lawson.webtv.net> from "Gerald G." at Oct 23, 2003 10:15:19 PM Message-ID: <200310240755.HAA08438@amb.org> Gerald G. writes: > ive been dreaming of an exotic set up and it is as follows; i own an > rx-303-i was pondering getting another rx-303,and splitting the signal > from my pre-amp and recording mono into each Nak. would not that sound > twice as good(double the information)?Then i could mix down onto ,say,my > 700TT. only problem i figuring out how to start each nak at > simelatane...simouletan,,,,,at the same time.i think they make a device > that controls stereo components,i dont know.is this like off the wal or > has anyone ever heard of such a thing.also thanks to the nak gurus and > venerable masters for helping worthless dog servant! Unfortunately, things don't work that way... :( You might think that by combining the two channels in a single deck into mono and using two decks gives you twice the information, in practice it doesn't. In fact, when you sum the output of the two channels on one of these decks, even the most minute deviation in azimuth and calibration between the two channels would result in cancelation, so you get *less* information than each channel alone. You deserve an award for creative thinking, though. -Ti -- /// Ti Kan Vorsprung durch Technik /// AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA /// ti at amb.org ////// http://www.amb.org/ti/ /// From croquetgod at yahoo.com Fri Oct 24 10:33:04 2003 From: croquetgod at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jens-M.=20Arndt?=) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:33:04 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] EMTEC In-Reply-To: <001801c39974$6b955270$ed06e90c@B8142DE8> Message-ID: <20031024083304.13445.qmail@web13505.mail.yahoo.com> No, Most - if not all - companies of the EMTEC group(formerly owned by BASF) had to file for insolvency last year. The last news I heard earlier this year was that a group of investors (including FUJI) made a bid for EMTEC but I do not know whether this deal was finally concluded. Jens --- rjkent at comcast.net schrieb: > Hi Tom, > > Judging by their website, it looks like EMTEC is > going strong in Europe. Their overall US site is > under construction, but their multimedia site is up > and running. The products, including cassettes are > still available from various on-line retailers here > in the US. The Total Media link is attached. > > http://www.totalmedia.com/catalog/catalog_home.asp?CatID=1233&OID=-1&CID=&bustype=01 > > http://products.emtec-group.com/en/en/Consumer_Media/ > > Robert Kent> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! 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From gwmunger at bestweb.net Fri Oct 24 12:02:05 2003 From: gwmunger at bestweb.net (GEORGE) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 06:02:05 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Wierd Science References: <200310240840.h9O8eeTV029386@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <000f01c39a15$e242b880$2901b3d8@MN13683> Gerald, I am not sure what your goal is, but if you would like to consider another way to store large amounts of audio energy on tape, you could try looking into the world of audio dealing with reel-to-reel tape. Fell free to email me directly, should you wish. I have a good deal of serious interest for reel-to-reel, but I am (and as I gather, so are more than a few others) absolutely passionate about the wonderful world of (Nak) cassette recording. Regards, George > Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to > naktalk at naks.com > > 8. weird science (Gerald G.) > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 22:15:19 -0500 (CDT) > From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.) > Subject: [naktalk] weird science > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > <23915-3F989947-3004 at storefull-2236.public.lawson.webtv.net> > Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII > > ive been dreaming of an exotic set up and it is as follows; i own an > rx-303-i was pondering getting another rx-303,and splitting the signal > from my pre-amp and recording mono into each Nak. would not that sound > twice as good(double the information)?Then i could mix down onto ,say,my > 700TT. only problem i figuring out how to start each nak at > simelatane...simouletan,,,,,at the same time.i think they make a device > that controls stereo components,i dont know.is this like off the wal or > has anyone ever heard of such a thing.also thanks to the nak gurus and > venerable masters for helping worthless dog servant! > > thank you very much, > gerald > > > ------------------------------ From ntom at dsl.pipex.com Fri Oct 24 12:15:09 2003 From: ntom at dsl.pipex.com (Neale Thomas) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:15:09 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CR3a--idler or gear In-Reply-To: <0067F6F0.47272E1A.0004E774@aol.com> Message-ID: <001201c39a17$b4a0d3b0$0100a8c0@STUDY> Tad I bought a cheap CR1 for just that reason -i.e. to cannibalise it & get the gear mod which I have switched into my CR7, so yes I can say with some certainty that the CR1 already has it (unless of course the previous owner hd it fitted...!!). Neale -----Original Message----- From: RTLehe at aol.com [mailto:RTLehe at aol.com] Sent: 23 October 2003 19:57 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] CR3a--idler or gear There is a CR3a on ebay and the seller is saying that it has had the gear modification done so there is no need to replace the idler every few years. But I thought only the 5 and 7 still had the BX type idlers and that the CR 1,2, and 3 had the gear drive. Which is it? Thanks. Tad From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Fri Oct 24 15:08:35 2003 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:08:35 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RX- 505 Squeaking Message-ID: Me "Tu-Pa! With Crumpets. >From: Thomas Siomopoulos >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] RX- 505 Squeaking >Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:28:59 +1000 > >I've just had a cuppa :) > >-----Original Message----- >From: Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] >Sent: Friday, 24 October 2003 7:21 >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] RX- 505 Squeaking > > >Anyone for Camomile tea? I hear it calms the nerves when one is feeling >tense and irritable ... a nice cup with some soothing music on the Nak >might >be just what we need .... > >Smile guys! Don't get so hot under the collar - Life is too short! :o) > >Gra' > > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.530 / Virus Database: 325 - Release Date: 22/10/03 > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Add MSN 8 Internet Software to your current Internet access and enjoy patented spam control and more. Get two months FREE! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/byoa From roleo at telus.net Fri Oct 24 19:06:42 2003 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:06:42 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] New Dragon on E-bay References: Message-ID: <000701c39a51$32a29490$6401a8c0@desktop> Who wants to guess what the final price of this will be? .... I'll guess around $1,500.00 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2567552610&category=4784 -- Roland From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Oct 24 19:55:55 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 23:25:55 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] weird science Message-ID: <20031024175555.724F515EC6@vsnlbill.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Oct 24 22:02:25 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 21:02:25 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] weird science In-Reply-To: <20031024175555.724F515EC6@vsnlbill.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <002701c39a69$be4f0880$9c9a4c51@oemcomputer> Correct me if I am wrong but wasn't there a Nak that recorded a 2x the speed, an early version of the 680?? Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of kannan_s at vsnl.com > Sent: 24 October 2003 18:56 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] weird science > > > Very interesting topic after a long time in Naktalk! > Infact I was wondering about making the tape move 1.5 to 2 times > the normal speed on good Nak 3 head - prefrably on older sturdy > nak mechanism. This would make C90 tape a 45 minute one but > frequency response as well noise / distortion figures would be a > classic for the specific frequency bandwidth. The resulting tape > would be better than most Spool tapes! But since the head > charecteristics would be different from normal speed record/ > replay charecteristics and so requires change of Record circuitry > and as well as replay circuit. > Did anybody thought about this - I know Ron was involved in > designing tape recording machines for a different purposes other > than music recording and has some experience? > kannan > > > ti at amb.org wrote > Gerald G. writes: > > ive been dreaming of an exotic set up and it is as follows; i own an > > rx-303-i was pondering getting another rx-303,and splitting the signal > > from my pre-amp and recording mono into each Nak. would not that sound > > twice as good(double the information)?Then i could mix down onto ,say,my > > 700TT. only problem i figuring out how to start each nak at > > simelatane...simouletan,,,,,at the same time.i think they make a device > > that controls stereo components,i dont know.is this like off the wal or > > has anyone ever heard of such a thing.also thanks to the nak gurus and > > venerable masters for helping worthless dog servant! > > Unfortunately, things don't work that way... :( > > You might think that by combining the two channels in a single deck > into mono and using two decks gives you twice the information, in > practice it doesn't. In fact, when you sum the output of the two > channels on one of these decks, even the most minute deviation in azimuth > and calibration between the two channels would result in cancelation, > so you get *less* information than each channel alone. > > You deserve an award for creative thinking, though. > > -Ti > -- > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.530 / Virus Database: 325 - Release Date: 22/10/03 From ti at amb.org Fri Oct 24 21:55:54 2003 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:55:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] weird science In-Reply-To: <20031024175555.724F515EC6@vsnlbill.vsnl.com> from "kannan_s@vsnl.com" at Oct 24, 2003 11:25:55 PM Message-ID: <200310241955.TAA22260@amb.org> kannan_s at vsnl.com writes: > Very interesting topic after a long time in Naktalk! > Infact I was wondering about making the tape move 1.5 to 2 times the normal speed on good Nak 3 head - prefrably on older sturdy nak mechanism. This would make C90 tape a 45 minute one but frequency response as well noise / distortion figures would be a classic for the specific frequency bandwidth. The resulting tape would be better than most Spool tapes! But since the head charecteristics would be different from normal speed record/ replay charecteristics and so requires change of Record circuitry and as well as replay circuit. > Did anybody thought about this - I know Ron was involved in designing tape recording machines for a different purposes other than music recording and has some experience? > kannan Yes, increasing the speed would improve the frequency response and headroom. Think of the difference between an open reel deck running at 7.5ips vs. 15ips vs. 30ips. The same sort of change can be expected in cassettes... Not sure if the head or the eq needs changing, though. -Ti -- /// Ti Kan Vorsprung durch Technik /// AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA /// ti at amb.org ////// http://www.amb.org/ti/ /// From ti at amb.org Fri Oct 24 22:05:48 2003 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:05:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] weird science In-Reply-To: <002701c39a69$be4f0880$9c9a4c51@oemcomputer> from "Nelson" at Oct 24, 2003 09:02:25 PM Message-ID: <200310242005.UAA22357@amb.org> Nelson writes: > Correct me if I am wrong but wasn't there a Nak that recorded a 2x the > speed, an early version of the 680?? AFAIK some old Naks had a switch that lets run at 0.5x speed, not 2x. At some loss of quality, but double the time. -Ti -- /// Ti Kan Vorsprung durch Technik /// AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA /// ti at amb.org ////// http://www.amb.org/ti/ /// From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Oct 24 23:22:43 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 02:52:43 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] weird science Message-ID: <20031024212243.2556215E5C@vsnlbill.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From lists at richardhess.com Fri Oct 24 23:36:01 2003 From: lists at richardhess.com (Richard L. Hess) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:36:01 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] weird science In-Reply-To: <200310241955.TAA22260@amb.org> References: <20031024175555.724F515EC6@vsnlbill.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20031024143402.05110d68@127.0.0.1> Tascam/Teac makes (or made) recorders that put up to 8 tracks on a cassette. Most of these ran at 3.75 in/s (ips). I have a Syncassette 238 which is the 8-track version for attempting to play odd tapes that don't play well on my Dragons or MR-1 or Sony TCD5M. Cheers, Richard http://www.richardhess.com/tape/ From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri Oct 24 23:56:04 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 23:56:04 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] weird science References: <20031024212243.2556215E5C@vsnlbill.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <3F999FF4.DB0B59EB@xs4all.nl> Quite a lot of nice Marantz decks had the 2 speed option, the higher speed unlike the Nak 680 series.. 'my' Marantz SD-8020 which i just aquired has this option! Wouter kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > Graham > 680 was doing at half the speed with reduced bandwidth suitable for FM broadcasts - around 15 Khz. Only some other manufacturers were ofering higher speed but alas they lacked the real nak heads and mech! > kannan > > graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk wrote > Correct me if I am wrong but wasn't there a Nak that recorded a 2x the > speed, an early version of the 680?? > > Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of kannan_s at vsnl.com > > Sent: 24 October 2003 18:56 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] weird science > > > > > > Very interesting topic after a long time in Naktalk! > > Infact I was wondering about making the tape move 1.5 to 2 times > > the normal speed on good Nak 3 head - prefrably on older sturdy > > nak mechanism. This would make C90 tape a 45 minute one but > > frequency response as well noise / distortion figures would be a > > classic for the specific frequency bandwidth. The resulting tape > > would be better than most Spool tapes! But since the head > > charecteristics would be different from normal speed record/ > > replay charecteristics and so requires change of Record circuitry > > and as well as replay circuit. > > Did anybody thought about this - I know Ron was involved in > > designing tape recording machines for a different purposes other > > than music recording and has some experience? > > kannan > > > > > > ti at amb.org wrote > > Gerald G. writes: > > > ive been dreaming of an exotic set up and it is as follows; i own an > > > rx-303-i was pondering getting another rx-303,and splitting the signal > > > from my pre-amp and recording mono into each Nak. would not that sound > > > twice as good(double the information)?Then i could mix down onto ,say,my > > > 700TT. only problem i figuring out how to start each nak at > > > simelatane...simouletan,,,,,at the same time.i think they make a device > > > that controls stereo components,i dont know.is this like off the wal or > > > has anyone ever heard of such a thing.also thanks to the nak gurus and > > > venerable masters for helping worthless dog servant! > > > > Unfortunately, things don't work that way... :( > > > > You might think that by combining the two channels in a single deck > > into mono and using two decks gives you twice the information, in > > practice it doesn't. In fact, when you sum the output of the two > > channels on one of these decks, even the most minute deviation in azimuth > > and calibration between the two channels would result in cancelation, > > so you get *less* information than each channel alone. > > > > You deserve an award for creative thinking, though. > > > > -Ti > > -- > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.530 / Virus Database: 325 - Release Date: 22/10/03 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Sat Oct 25 01:27:30 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 04:57:30 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] weird science Message-ID: <20031024232730.E9A6015E48@vsnlbill.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From thsinclair at localdial.com Sun Oct 26 00:14:12 2003 From: thsinclair at localdial.com (Sinclair Forrest) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 23:14:12 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] weird science References: <20031024212243.2556215E5C@vsnlbill.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <001401c39b45$53c27f10$f18ee2c3@fredporter> I remember a review of the 680 ZX which measured half-speed frequency response to 17KHz and normal speed to 24KHz! Sinclair ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 10:22 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] weird science > Graham > 680 was doing at half the speed with reduced bandwidth suitable for FM broadcasts - around 15 Khz. Only some other manufacturers were ofering higher speed but alas they lacked the real nak heads and mech! > kannan > > graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk wrote > Correct me if I am wrong but wasn't there a Nak that recorded a 2x the > speed, an early version of the 680?? > > Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of kannan_s at vsnl.com > > Sent: 24 October 2003 18:56 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] weird science > > > > > > Very interesting topic after a long time in Naktalk! > > Infact I was wondering about making the tape move 1.5 to 2 times > > the normal speed on good Nak 3 head - prefrably on older sturdy > > nak mechanism. This would make C90 tape a 45 minute one but > > frequency response as well noise / distortion figures would be a > > classic for the specific frequency bandwidth. The resulting tape > > would be better than most Spool tapes! But since the head > > charecteristics would be different from normal speed record/ > > replay charecteristics and so requires change of Record circuitry > > and as well as replay circuit. > > Did anybody thought about this - I know Ron was involved in > > designing tape recording machines for a different purposes other > > than music recording and has some experience? > > kannan > > > > > > ti at amb.org wrote > > Gerald G. writes: > > > ive been dreaming of an exotic set up and it is as follows; i own an > > > rx-303-i was pondering getting another rx-303,and splitting the signal > > > from my pre-amp and recording mono into each Nak. would not that sound > > > twice as good(double the information)?Then i could mix down onto ,say,my > > > 700TT. only problem i figuring out how to start each nak at > > > simelatane...simouletan,,,,,at the same time.i think they make a device > > > that controls stereo components,i dont know.is this like off the wal or > > > has anyone ever heard of such a thing.also thanks to the nak gurus and > > > venerable masters for helping worthless dog servant! > > > > Unfortunately, things don't work that way... :( > > > > You might think that by combining the two channels in a single deck > > into mono and using two decks gives you twice the information, in > > practice it doesn't. In fact, when you sum the output of the two > > channels on one of these decks, even the most minute deviation in azimuth > > and calibration between the two channels would result in cancelation, > > so you get *less* information than each channel alone. > > > > You deserve an award for creative thinking, though. > > > > -Ti > > -- > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.530 / Virus Database: 325 - Release Date: 22/10/03 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Oct 26 01:27:53 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 19:27:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] weird science References: <20031024175555.724F515EC6@vsnlbill.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <3F9B06F9.15331706@rcn.com> kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > [.......] > > Did anybody thought about this - I know Ron was involved in > designing tape recording machines for a different purposes > other than music recording and has some experience? Purpose of the recording system in question was to get the longest possible recording time. Chosen tape speed was 0.080 ips (as opposed to the cassette standard of 1.875 ips). C120 cassette held 24 hours worth of recording time. Frequency response extended to just over 100Hz - hardly enough for audio recording. In general, once you change tape speed, the optimum bias, recording level and equalization need to change as well. While the original posters idea is doable, his assumption that doubling the speed will double the quality is wrong. Quality *will* improve, but not enough to compensate for the 50% loss in recording time. To evaluate, remember the quality of the best r-t-r 1/4" tape running at 3.75 ips. and compare to 7.5 ips on the same deck. Better, yes. But not such a huge difference, eh? -- Ron From star at zip.com.au Sun Oct 26 05:19:54 2003 From: star at zip.com.au (Elwin Star) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 15:19:54 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] BX 300 Message-ID: <004f01c39b78$6ae85e20$6a1b083d@com.au> I have just Bought a BX 300, The problem with it is that the master fader 'up' LED is constantly on and the play back meters are showing up to +10db. The sound is also crummy. Very trebly and little bass. I imagine this is because the master fader is on full and distorting the sound which is also compressing the bass. I have tested the actual fader control switch and it functions normal and is not a constant closed circuit. So there must be a problem somewhere else in the control electronics. Has anyone come across this problem before? Or maybe have a circuit diagram work out the problem. Or is it a dead deck and I ought to return this thing back to the original owner. What is the purpose of the master fader anyway. There are already input and output faders. So what's the point of this master fader?? Thanks all. This is my first Nakamichi. I own a pioneer F950 which is a fantastic deck but seems to be a little grainy sounding after extended listening. I hope I can get this Nakamichi working properly. I really want to hear the famous Nakamichi sound. If I like it, I will try to find a new Nakamichi car cassette deck and start recording tapes in Dolby C. I don't have to worry about compatibility with other peoples equipment anymore as I am the only one I know still using and loving tapes. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From ti at amb.org Sun Oct 26 11:33:47 2003 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 02:33:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Dolby B or C NR Playback In-Reply-To: <000801c39b7a$03e74770$ed06e90c@B8142DE8> from "rjkent@comcast.net" at Oct 25, 2003 09:31:23 PM Message-ID: <200310261033.KAA01702@amb.org> rjkent at comcast.net writes: > Would anyone like to suggest the best playback setting for copying old = > tapes that were recorded using HXPro noise reduction (on a very old Dual = > unit). I am recording from a Dragon to a CR-7 (both wonderfully = > restored by ESL), and was wondering if either Dolby B or C would be = > anywhere near the algorithyms used by HXPro. Or would playback without = > Dolby be better? My tired old ears actually enjoy the brightness of the = > un-reprocessed signal sometimes. HX-Pro is not a noise reduction system, it's a system that (during recording) dynamically varies the bias based on the recording level, resulting in an increase of the effective tape saturation headroom ("HX" stands for Headroom eXtention). It was developed by Dolby and can be used with either Dolby B or C (or no NR at all). I believe the HX Pro stuff is built in to the Dolby chip (because the chip has the level sensing circuitry already there) and then interfaced into the deck's bias circuit. HX-Pro does not do anything during playback, and the recorded tape can be played on any other machine with or without HX-Pro. So, if you original tapes were recorded with Dolby B, you should continue to play it with Dolby B. Ditto with Dolby C. On the recording side, you can choose to whether to use Dolby and which type. The dubbed tape should then be played the way it was recorded. -Ti -- /// Ti Kan Vorsprung durch Technik /// ti at amb.org http://www.amb.org/ti/ /// AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA From wjw at warwick.net Sun Oct 26 11:58:13 2003 From: wjw at warwick.net (Bill Wheatley) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 05:58:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] weird science References: <20031024175555.724F515EC6@vsnlbill.vsnl.com> <3F9B06F9.15331706@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3F9BA8C5.8E8DF82C@warwick.net> I would agree with Ron on this. There are decks available that allow for double speed recording- they are the 4-track cassette home recording studios (which can be used in a 2 track mode), which are actually quite inexpensive. They're not Naks, of course, but the sound quality is pretty darn good. I've had a little Yamaha cassette 4 track for years that operates at normal cassette speed and 2X, has a built in EQ for recording and/or mixing, and can take either a mic or a line input. Cost: about $420.00. I believe that the Tascam 4 tracks also have this feature, but I think that Yamaha's model sounds better than the Tascams I've heard. For live recording with mics the fast speed gives a noticeable improvement in sound, but for a line input source there is not much difference in the overall quality between the normal and double speeds. I would hope (but don't know for sure) that all the internal EQ and bias adjustments necessary for the speed changes are built into the machines. I recently burned a CD of some live music that was recorded at double speed, and then mixed down to a normal speed cassette. I put it into the computer using one of my Naks, and with just a little noise reduction for tape hiss, the resulting CD sounded very professional. So, if someone really wanted to do this, that would be the way to go. Bill Ron wrote: > While the original posters idea is doable, his assumption > that doubling the speed will double the quality is wrong. > Quality *will* improve, but not enough to compensate for > the 50% loss in recording time. To evaluate, remember the > quality of the best r-t-r 1/4" tape running at 3.75 ips. > and compare to 7.5 ips on the same deck. Better, yes. But > not such a huge difference, eh? > > -- Ron > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From marcdenis at iquebec.com Sun Oct 26 12:12:41 2003 From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 06:12:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX 300 In-Reply-To: <004f01c39b78$6ae85e20$6a1b083d@com.au> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20031026055634.03a0e3c0@pop.iquebec.com> I am no technician and cannot suggest what is wrong with your deck. However, the problem more than likely does not come from the master fader. Master fader up LED will always be on during playback. Master fader only operates during recording and will normally be up as well during that time (i.e. it will not normally interfere with your recording levels, set separately with the appropriate knobs, and will only be a pass through unless you want to introduce an automatic fade command). There are two fade speeds depending if you do a light or hard press on the fader control. If you don't have access to an owner's manual, try putting your machine in record mode and then use the master fader switches until you understand better how it operates. It should be reasonably intuitive. Good luck. At 15:19 2003/10/26 +1100, you wrote: >I have just Bought a BX 300, >The problem with it is that the master fader 'up' LED is constantly on and >the play back meters are showing up to +10db. The sound is also crummy. >Very trebly and little bass. I imagine this is because the master fader is >on full and distorting the sound which is also compressing the bass. >I have tested the actual fader control switch and it functions normal and >is not a constant closed circuit. So there must be a problem somewhere >else in the control electronics. >Has anyone come across this problem before? Or maybe have a circuit >diagram work out the problem. >Or is it a dead deck and I ought to return this thing back to the original >owner. >What is the purpose of the master fader anyway. There are already input >and output faders. So what's the point of this master fader?? >Thanks all. This is my first Nakamichi. I own a pioneer F950 which is a >fantastic deck but seems to be a little grainy sounding after extended >listening. I hope I can get this Nakamichi working properly. I really want >to hear the famous Nakamichi sound. If I like it, I will try to find a new >Nakamichi car cassette deck and start recording tapes in Dolby C. I don't >have to worry about compatibility with other peoples equipment anymore as >I am the only one I know still using and loving tapes. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From RTLehe at aol.com Sun Oct 26 13:55:51 2003 From: RTLehe at aol.com (RTLehe at aol.com) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 07:55:51 EST Subject: [naktalk] Dolby B or C NR Playback Message-ID: <62.3683d2c5.2ccd1e57@aol.com> One small correction--HX-Pro was not developed by Dolby; it was Bang and Olufson. If you look on a deck with that has HX-Pro you will see their name. Tad -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I personally find that the double tape speed does improve the richness and noise factors noticeably, so I ALWAYS use those machines at 2X. Cheers, Michael -----Original Message----- From: Bill Wheatley To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Date: Sunday, October 26, 2003 5:06 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] weird science > There are decks >available that allow for double speed recording- they are the >4-track cassette home recording studios (which can be used in >a 2 track mode), which are actually quite inexpensive. >They're not Naks, of course, but the sound quality is pretty >darn good. > I've had a little Yamaha cassette 4 track for years that >operates at normal cassette speed and 2X, has a built in EQ >for recording and/or mixing, and can take either a mic or a >line input. Cost: about $420.00. I believe that the Tascam 4 >tracks also have this feature, but I think that Yamaha's model >sounds better than the Tascams I've heard. > For live recording with mics the fast speed gives a >noticeable improvement in sound, but for a line input source >there is not much difference in the overall quality between >the normal and double speeds. > I would hope (but don't know for sure) that all the >internal EQ and bias adjustments necessary for the speed >changes are built into the machines. > Bill > From hifisapi at gate.net Sun Oct 26 19:36:49 2003 From: hifisapi at gate.net (J. C. O'Connell) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 13:36:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dolby B or C NR Playback In-Reply-To: <000801c39b7a$03e74770$ed06e90c@B8142DE8> Message-ID: HXPRO was/is a recording improvement technology. It does not require any special playback process the way dolby does. JCO ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- J.C. O'Connell mailto:hifisapi at gate.net http://jcoconnell.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of rjkent at comcast.net Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 12:31 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Dolby B or C NR Playback Would anyone like to suggest the best playback setting for copying old tapes that were recorded using HXPro noise reduction (on a very old Dual unit). I am recording from a Dragon to a CR-7 (both wonderfully restored by ESL), and was wondering if either Dolby B or C would be anywhere near the algorithyms used by HXPro. Or would playback without Dolby be better? My tired old ears actually enjoy the brightness of the un-reprocessed signal sometimes. Robert Kent -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Sun Oct 26 23:08:52 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 03:38:52 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] dolby HX pro Message-ID: <20031026220852.CE6C715E5F@vsnlbill.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From ti at amb.org Mon Oct 27 02:20:26 2003 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 17:20:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Dolby B or C NR Playback In-Reply-To: <62.3683d2c5.2ccd1e57@aol.com> from "RTLehe@aol.com" at Oct 26, 2003 07:55:51 AM Message-ID: <200310270120.BAA03889@amb.org> RTLehe at aol.com writes: > One small correction--HX-Pro was not developed by Dolby; it was Bang and > Olufson. If you look on a deck with that has HX-Pro you will see their name. Hmm, I guess you're right. I have a Kenwood KX-660HX which has HX-Pro, and the little blurb in the manual says: "Dolby noise reduction and HX Pro headroom extension manufactured under license from Dolby Laboratories Licensing Corporation. HX Pro originated by Bang of Olufsen. "Dolby", the double-D symbol and "HX Pro" are trademarks of Dolby Laboratories Licensing Corporation." -Ti -- R 1 3 5 Ti Kan |_|_|_| http://www.amb.org/ti | | | Vorsprung durch Technik 2 4 6 From hifiman at dsl.pipex.com Mon Oct 27 12:15:19 2003 From: hifiman at dsl.pipex.com (Hifiman) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 11:15:19 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dolby B or C NR Playback In-Reply-To: <200310261033.KAA01702@amb.org> Message-ID: <001b01c39c7b$9b54c400$0100a8c0@STUDY> Following on from RJKents question...... If dubbing from one cassette that was say originally recorded with Dolby B to another deck -if you want the copy to also be recorded with dolby B, would you be better off dubbing with dolby turned off on both units -hence taking out two sets of cicuitry from the signal. Or is it necessary to put the original thru the 'B' decoding circuitry & then re-encode on the recorder....? Neale -----Original Message----- From: Ti Kan [mailto:ti at amb.org] Sent: 26 October 2003 10:34 To: rjkent at comcast.net Cc: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dolby B or C NR Playback rjkent at comcast.net writes: > Would anyone like to suggest the best playback setting for copying old > = tapes that were recorded using HXPro noise reduction (on a very old > Dual = unit). I am recording from a Dragon to a CR-7 (both > wonderfully = restored by ESL), and was wondering if either Dolby B or > C would be = anywhere near the algorithyms used by HXPro. Or would > playback without = Dolby be better? My tired old ears actually enjoy > the brightness of the = un-reprocessed signal sometimes. HX-Pro is not a noise reduction system, it's a system that (during recording) dynamically varies the bias based on the recording level, resulting in an increase of the effective tape saturation headroom ("HX" stands for Headroom eXtention). It was developed by Dolby and can be used with either Dolby B or C (or no NR at all). I believe the HX Pro stuff is built in to the Dolby chip (because the chip has the level sensing circuitry already there) and then interfaced into the deck's bias circuit. HX-Pro does not do anything during playback, and the recorded tape can be played on any other machine with or without HX-Pro. So, if you original tapes were recorded with Dolby B, you should continue to play it with Dolby B. Ditto with Dolby C. On the recording side, you can choose to whether to use Dolby and which type. The dubbed tape should then be played the way it was recorded. -Ti -- /// Ti Kan Vorsprung durch Technik /// ti at amb.org http://www.amb.org/ti/ /// AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA From khmerideth at anderson.edu Mon Oct 27 13:56:57 2003 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 07:56:57 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dolby B or C NR Playback Message-ID: Ti, Being a member of the "advanced years" club, I was active in the recording hobby when HX was released. HX and HX Pro are used only in the record process, as you stated. HX was, in fact, developed by Dolby. B & O developed, and marketed, the HX Pro circuit for about 2 years, before Dolby came around to working out some kind of agreement with B & O. Think there was some litigation going on because B & O was doing things with the patented HX circuit, which was not authorized by Dolby. Don't remember Dolby was saying the "Pro" extension of the HX circuitry was inferior, just that it was not authorized by the covered patent. Seems like there may have been some minor tweaks made to the original "Pro" extension before the final "authorized" version was agreed upon. Yes, the Pro version is under both Dolby and B & O; the original HX was all Dolby. Didn't see this thread until this morning (11/27/2003). Might be able to come up with an Audio Magazine article to reference on this matter later in the week. Keep Nakin' and enjoy the music! Kent Merideth >>> ti at amb.org 10/26/03 08:20PM >>> RTLehe at aol.com writes: > One small correction--HX-Pro was not developed by Dolby; it was Bang and > Olufson. If you look on a deck with that has HX-Pro you will see their name. Hmm, I guess you're right. I have a Kenwood KX-660HX which has HX-Pro, and the little blurb in the manual says: "Dolby noise reduction and HX Pro headroom extension manufactured under license from Dolby Laboratories Licensing Corporation. HX Pro originated by Bang of Olufsen. "Dolby", the double-D symbol and "HX Pro" are trademarks of Dolby Laboratories Licensing Corporation." -Ti -- R 1 3 5 Ti Kan |_|_|_| http://www.amb.org/ti | | | Vorsprung durch Technik 2 4 6 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hifiman at dsl.pipex.com Mon Oct 27 14:39:31 2003 From: hifiman at dsl.pipex.com (Hifiman) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 13:39:31 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Will it sell...? Message-ID: <002e01c39c8f$c13b9630$0100a8c0@STUDY> Is it worth this? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3356340145&category =23322 From star at zip.com.au Mon Oct 27 12:42:50 2003 From: star at zip.com.au (Elwin Star) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 22:42:50 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] re:BX 300 Message-ID: <005e01c39c8b$1f9743a0$c851d5cb@com.au> Thanks for your Reply, So the master fader is not the problem, that's good news. My first impression which I now positively think is that someone has mucked around with the playback EQ settings. The sound is more lacking in the midrange. Its hard to describe. There is some deep bass but the frequencies above are less loud so that makes it harder to hear the bass that is there and it makes the trebles seem over emphasised. After another listening session The sound is not as bad as I first heard. I think I was expecting so much at first is that my critical ear only heard all the bad points. Luckily There is an Technicians electronics store near by that still sells Reference test cassette tapes. I think I will invest in one and a service manual. I am sure the heads are still in line as the highs are coming out loud and detailed. It Should be a simple procedure to get this one balanced again. Thanks again, Paul. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Mon Oct 27 19:27:53 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 23:57:53 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Dolby B or C NR Playback Message-ID: <20031027182753.BC36915ED9@vsnlbill.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... 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From RTLehe at aol.com Mon Oct 27 17:48:06 2003 From: RTLehe at aol.com (RTLehe at aol.com) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 11:48:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dolby B or C NR Playback Message-ID: <4C61E055.675C4C1B.0004E774@aol.com> Neale, It might seem like it would be a more direct path to the goal, with less processing, to turn the Dolby off on both decks and record the encoded signal from one to the other. This is what most dubbing decks do. But this procedure makes it difficult to match the levels precisely enough to ensure accurate Dolby tracking, so most experts recommend decoding the signal on the playback deck and re-encoding on the record deck. From stan.targowski at comcast.net Mon Oct 27 18:32:22 2003 From: stan.targowski at comcast.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 11:32:22 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Will it sell...? In-Reply-To: <002e01c39c8f$c13b9630$0100a8c0@STUDY> Message-ID: Is it worth it? - It is a lot of money, but there are also collectors ... Will it sell? - considering it is Ebay.uk and the product info is in German, ??? Stan -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Hifiman Sent: Mon, October 27, 2003 7:40 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Will it sell...? Is it worth this? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3356340145&category =23322 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From eddy.pollet at pandora.be Mon Oct 27 19:21:38 2003 From: eddy.pollet at pandora.be (POLLET Eddy) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 19:21:38 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Off topic, but very interesting In-Reply-To: <200310271100.h9RB0DkC013686@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi all, I know that it's off topic, but I also know that several people are really into recording with their Naks, and the included link points to an article about the recording of Disraeli Gears by Cream, with the late Tom Dowd as producer ... I loved reading it, and I hope you'll do too . http://mixonline.com/ar/audio_creams_sunshine_love/index.htm Eddy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jberger at well.com Mon Oct 27 17:58:20 2003 From: jberger at well.com (John Berger) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 08:58:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] re: Dolby B or C NR Playback In-Reply-To: <200310261100.h9QB0ETV009967@zebra.naks.com> References: <200310261100.h9QB0ETV009967@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: Robert: Dolby HXPro is different from Dolby B or C (or S) noise reduction. It is a single-ended process, and, as such, does not require any decoding. The appropriate NR decoding is the one that the tape was encoded with (Dolby B or C). HXPro is for headroom expansion (that's where the HX came from). It works by varying the bias signal based on the content of the music signal. They found that music with a high level of high-frequency content started to add to the biasing signal, leading to a tape that was over-biased. This reduced the maximum high frequency signal level that could be recorded. HXPro would reduce the bias level dynamically in these situations, allowing more high frequency content to be recorded on the tape. Since HXPro works by adjusting the tape bias, there is no corresponding decoding step necessary. It works with Dolby B, C, or even no noise reduction. As I recall, B&O was one of the earlier adopters of HXPro. John Berger Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 21:31:23 -0700 From: rjkent at comcast.net To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Dolby B or C NR Playback [ Part 4.4.2: "Attached Text" ] Would anyone like to suggest the best playback setting for copying old tapes that were recorded using HXPro noise reduction (on a very old Dual unit). I am recording from a Dragon to a CR-7 (both wonderfully restored by ESL), and was wondering if either Dolby B or C would be anywhere near the algorithyms used by HXPro. Or would playback without Dolby be better? My tired old ears actually enjoy the brightness of the un-reprocessed signal sometimes. Robert Kent From hifisapi at gate.net Mon Oct 27 19:38:08 2003 From: hifisapi at gate.net (J. C. O'Connell) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 13:38:08 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dolby B or C NR Playback In-Reply-To: <20031027182753.BC36915ED9@vsnlbill.vsnl.com> Message-ID: dub deck to deck with dolby "OFF" is better..... Then playback the dub with dolby "ON" JCO ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- J.C. O'Connell mailto:hifisapi at gate.net http://jcoconnell.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of kannan_s at vsnl.com Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:28 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dolby B or C NR Playback I should add here " provided both recorders have been correctly aligned- azimuth/ 400 Hz dolby play- record level calibrated " when we try this direct without activating Dolby circuit during play/ record on two recorders using source material with Dolby. In my experience with many Nak recorders of dfferent age and usage or head wear as well as circuite wear; you do need to top condition recorders for this. I was not somehow satisfied with such recordings and I felt that there was some information lost. So I try to use the dolby in the circuit and noting down which recorder i recorded. may be this subjective like tube/ solid state gear difference in sound or some thing similar! hifiman at dsl.pipex.com wrote Following on from RJKents question...... If dubbing from one cassette that was say originally recorded with Dolby B to another deck -if you want the copy to also be recorded with dolby B, would you be better off dubbing with dolby turned off on both units -hence taking out two sets of cicuitry from the signal. Or is it necessary to put the original thru the 'B' decoding circuitry & then re-encode on the recorder....? Neale -----Original Message----- From: Ti Kan [mailto:ti at amb.org] Sent: 26 October 2003 10:34 To: rjkent at comcast.net Cc: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dolby B or C NR Playback rjkent at comcast.net writes: > Would anyone like to suggest the best playback setting for copying old > = tapes that were recorded using HXPro noise reduction (on a very old > Dual = unit). I am recording from a Dragon to a CR-7 (both > wonderfully = restored by ESL), and was wondering if either Dolby B or > C would be = anywhere near the algorithyms used by HXPro. Or would > playback without = Dolby be better? My tired old ears actually enjoy > the brightness of the = un-reprocessed signal sometimes. HX-Pro is not a noise reduction system, it's a system that (during recording) dynamically varies the bias based on the recording level, resulting in an increase of the effective tape saturation headroom ("HX" stands for Headroom eXtention). It was developed by Dolby and can be used with either Dolby B or C (or no NR at all). I believe the HX Pro stuff is built in to the Dolby chip (because the chip has the level sensing circuitry already there) and then interfaced into the deck's bias circuit. HX-Pro does not do anything during playback, and the recorded tape can be played on any other machine with or without HX-Pro. So, if you original tapes were recorded with Dolby B, you should continue to play it with Dolby B. Ditto with Dolby C. On the recording side, you can choose to whether to use Dolby and which type. The dubbed tape should then be played the way it was recorded. -Ti -- /// Ti Kan Vorsprung durch Technik /// ti at amb.org http://www.amb.org/ti/ /// AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Oct 27 23:13:02 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 22:13:02 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dolby B or C NR Playback: Benefits In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002e01c39cd7$7ce6ad60$49d9883e@oemcomputer> Mark I believe you are right in respect of the Pioneers with BLE XD Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Mark Hugo > Sent: 27 October 2003 11:24 > To: ti at amb.org; naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dolby B or C NR Playback: Benefits > > > Dear All, > > The Headroom Extention Programme was indeed developed by B+O and > licensing was done by Dolby Labs. It's benefits are to be seen > mainly with machines with lower than 105kHz bias frequencies in > my experience. My Alpage AL-50 has no HX-PRO (bias runs at > 105kHz - not the more frequent 85kHz of the time - 1983) and > plainly does not need it - as with Nakamichis which never had it. > > Also I think that most (perhaps all) machines that auto-calibrate > bias, level and equalisation defeat HX-PRO in the process. > Certainly this is the case with my modern Pioneers auto BLE XD. > Graham, any views? > > Best wishes, > > Marc > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.530 / Virus Database: 325 - Release Date: 22/10/03 From ti at amb.org Mon Oct 27 22:52:23 2003 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 13:52:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Dolby B or C NR Playback In-Reply-To: <001b01c39c7b$9b54c400$0100a8c0@STUDY> from "Hifiman" at Oct 27, 2003 11:15:19 AM Message-ID: <200310272152.VAA08049@amb.org> Hifiman writes: > If dubbing from one cassette that was say originally recorded with Dolby > B to another deck -if you want the copy to also be recorded with dolby > B, would you be better off dubbing with dolby turned off on both units > -hence taking out two sets of cicuitry from the signal. You can do that, but the results will not be good unless you set the recording level such that it precisely matches that of the original. > Or is it necessary to put the original thru the 'B' decoding circuitry & > then re-encode on the recorder....? This removes the need to precisely match the levels, and can give reasonably good results (assuming the machines are well calibrated and aligned). -Ti -- R 1 3 5 Ti Kan |_|_|_| http://www.amb.org/ti | | | Vorsprung durch Technik 2 4 6 From rjkent at comcast.net Mon Oct 27 22:34:25 2003 From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 13:34:25 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Dolby Dubbing Message-ID: <000a01c39cd2$1885e840$ed06e90c@B8142DE8> Neal, Although that was not the exact thread to my original question regarding HXPro, you raise an interesting question. I had assumed that if dubbing from one deck to another, the source should be played back using the Dolby, B or C it was created with to get it as close to original as possible. Then you would apply noise reduction again in the receiving deck to achieve noise reduction for the second generation recording process. If you simply pass through, without Dolby playback or record, from one deck to the other, you would indeed accomplish reduced noise playback from the original recording, but you would have no reduction in noise created during the second recording process....does this make sense to you techs out there? As I mentioned originally, both my Dragon for playback, and my CR7 for second generation recording are in tip-top condition, having been restored by ESL. I am getting excellent results! Thanks to all of you who responded with an explanation regarding HXPro......after hearing about it again, I remembered that it was a record only process. This getting old is interesting! Robert Kent -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From croquetgod at yahoo.com Tue Oct 28 08:46:26 2003 From: croquetgod at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jens-M.=20Arndt?=) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 08:46:26 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] Will it sell...? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031028074626.89402.qmail@web13501.mail.yahoo.com> Considering the considerable number of deficiencies mentioned I have my doubts.... Jens --- Stan Targowski schrieb: > Is it worth it? - It is a lot of money, but there > are also collectors ... > > Will it sell? - considering it is Ebay.uk and the > product info is in German, > ??? > > Stan > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Hifiman > Sent: Mon, October 27, 2003 7:40 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Will it sell...? > > > Is it worth this? > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3356340145&category > =23322 > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Logos und Klingeltöne fürs Handy bei http://sms.yahoo.de From copytec at coqui.net Tue Oct 28 16:09:32 2003 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlitos Jr.) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:09:32 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Will it sell...? References: Message-ID: <000c01c39d65$7e95a560$4f773242@coqui.net> I don't think so. It has to be a very wealthy crazy ... and you can always find one but not at this price ! Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Targowski" To: ; "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 11:32 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Will it sell...? > Is it worth it? - It is a lot of money, but there are also collectors ... > From c123666 at comcast.net Wed Oct 29 04:50:43 2003 From: c123666 at comcast.net (Carl Cobb) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 19:50:43 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] lx5 for sale in SF Bay Area for 75///ad says it works fine.... References: <200310272152.VAA08049@amb.org> Message-ID: <001901c39dcf$d48f0640$1702a8c0@mine> I was slumming the local want ads and came across this...I have too many already ... http://www.craigslist.org/eby/msg/18438589.html Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ti Kan" To: Cc: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:52 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dolby B or C NR Playback > Hifiman writes: > > If dubbing from one cassette that was say originally recorded with Dolby > > B to another deck -if you want the copy to also be recorded with dolby > > B, would you be better off dubbing with dolby turned off on both units > > -hence taking out two sets of cicuitry from the signal. > > You can do that, but the results will not be good unless you set the > recording level such that it precisely matches that of the original. > > > Or is it necessary to put the original thru the 'B' decoding circuitry & > > then re-encode on the recorder....? > > This removes the need to precisely match the levels, and can give reasonably > good results (assuming the machines are well calibrated and aligned). > > -Ti > -- > R 1 3 5 Ti Kan > |_|_|_| http://www.amb.org/ti > | | | Vorsprung durch Technik > 2 4 6 > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From c123666 at comcast.net Wed Oct 29 10:48:06 2003 From: c123666 at comcast.net (Carl Cobb) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 01:48:06 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] lx5 References: <20031028074626.89402.qmail@web13501.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002e01c39e01$c0ccf7c0$1702a8c0@mine> Is an lx5 that functions correctly worth 75 bucks? That is the 64 buck question. I know nothing of these decks. Please advise. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jens-M. Arndt" To: ; "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 11:46 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Will it sell...? > Considering the considerable number of deficiencies > mentioned I have my doubts.... > > Jens > > --- Stan Targowski > schrieb: > Is it worth it? - It is a lot of money, but > there > > are also collectors ... > > > > Will it sell? - considering it is Ebay.uk and the > > product info is in German, > > ??? > > > > Stan > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Hifiman > > Sent: Mon, October 27, 2003 7:40 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] Will it sell...? > > > > > > Is it worth this? > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3356340145&category > > =23322 > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ===== > 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) > > __________________________________________________________________ > > Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de > Logos und Klingeltöne fürs Handy bei http://sms.yahoo.de > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From fidelman at telcel.net.ve Thu Oct 30 05:32:06 2003 From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 00:32:06 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] lx5 References: <20031028074626.89402.qmail@web13501.mail.yahoo.com> <002e01c39e01$c0ccf7c0$1702a8c0@mine> Message-ID: <003e01c39e9e$cabb4dc0$626423c8@g8nsv> Hi Carl!!!! I own an LX-5, a CR-7 a Dragon,a 680ZX and a 1000ZXL and the Limited. Ilove the LX-5 because it is a 3 head deck and it is all manual and very simple to use. The recordings I made in this machine sound really great in other decks so if it is in good shape you should take it at once. Isy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Cobb" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 5:48 AM Subject: [naktalk] lx5 > Is an lx5 that functions correctly worth 75 bucks? That is the 64 buck > question. I know nothing of these decks. Please advise. > Carl > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jens-M. Arndt" > To: ; "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 11:46 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Will it sell...? > > > > Considering the considerable number of deficiencies > > mentioned I have my doubts.... > > > > Jens > > > > --- Stan Targowski > > schrieb: > Is it worth it? - It is a lot of money, but > > there > > > are also collectors ... > > > > > > Will it sell? - considering it is Ebay.uk and the > > > product info is in German, > > > ??? > > > > > > Stan > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > Behalf Of Hifiman > > > Sent: Mon, October 27, 2003 7:40 AM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: [naktalk] Will it sell...? > > > > > > > > > Is it worth this? > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3356340145&category > > > =23322 > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! > > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! > > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ===== > > 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, > man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in > einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry > Rowohlt) > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > > > > Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de > > Logos und Klingeltöne fürs Handy bei http://sms.yahoo.de > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From ti at amb.org Thu Oct 30 06:29:21 2003 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 21:29:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] lx5 In-Reply-To: <003e01c39e9e$cabb4dc0$626423c8@g8nsv> from "Isy Fidelman" at Oct 30, 2003 12:32:06 AM Message-ID: <200310300529.FAA16099@amb.org> Isy Fidelman writes: > I own an LX-5, a CR-7 a Dragon,a 680ZX and a 1000ZXL and the Limited. Wow!! That's quite the collection. Would love to hear your opinions and comparisons of each of these models. -Ti -- R 1 3 5 Ti Kan |_|_|_| http://www.amb.org/ti | | | Vorsprung durch Technik 2 4 6 From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Wed Oct 29 15:50:25 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 16:50:25 +0200 Subject: Fwd: Re: [naktalk] lx5 Message-ID: >>> Mark Hugo 10/29/03 12:46PM >>> Carl!! It's worth that money several times over without any shadow of a doubt. It has the orginal Nak mechanism and brilliant looks. Great deck from the heyday of cassette recording for a steal price. Cheers, Marc The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Wed Oct 29 11:50:40 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:50:40 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] lx5: Worth it?? Message-ID: Sorry Carl, I meant to say, to put this in some kind of a context, you can't even stay in a Holiday Inn for that. In fact, even if you absent-mindedly packed the towels, you still would break even with getting an LX-5 for $75!!! Go well. Marc The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Wed Oct 29 15:50:12 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 16:50:12 +0200 Subject: Fwd: Re: [naktalk] lx5 Message-ID: >>> Mark Hugo 10/29/03 12:46PM >>> Carl!! It's worth that money several times over without any shadow of a doubt. It has the orginal Nak mechanism and brilliant looks. Great deck from the heyday of cassette recording for a steal price. Cheers, Marc The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. 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The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From jerryjg at webtv.net Thu Oct 30 12:48:32 2003 From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 05:48:32 -0600 (CST) Subject: [naktalk] nak talk thank you Message-ID: <20706-3FA0FA90-360@storefull-2237.public.lawson.webtv.net> as a not so long standing participant in the nak-talk chat room,id like to take this opportunity to thank all those who have been so helpful in answering questions,and in the give and take discussions in which i have certainly picked up quite a bit! i would also like to say something to you all.what a lot of satisfaction I recieved from making a little contribution to this terrific site.I like knowing that im "giving something back",as well as helping to make this site the best it can be.Im really excited about the direction it is moving in.making the donation was so quick,easy and painless;i just clicked on the link on the website,and used paypal and it took me less than 2 minutes.i really appreciate that! i hope some of you will consider doing this as im sure it costs a lot for maintenance on the site.Anyway,thanks again for listening to this off-topic pst.one thing though-i would like to see NAKMART activity pick-up.I would like to see listing of NAKS,NON-NAKS,CASSETES(both recorded and blank),and ACCESORYS.What do you think? thank you very much, gerald From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu Oct 30 13:08:18 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 13:08:18 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] nak talk thank you In-Reply-To: <20706-3FA0FA90-360@storefull-2237.public.lawson.webtv.net> References: <20706-3FA0FA90-360@storefull-2237.public.lawson.webtv.net> Message-ID: <21441.212.78.179.234.1067515698.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Thank you Gerald! Thanks for making a contribution, everyone is free to do this or not. Activity on the lists is something you all control! The direction the site(s) are going to is obvious i think, it had to do with technical issues too, many things are possible now. The new site will be a bigger Naks.com, both share the same database, just a different way of representing the data in it. I'll try to produce a list of what's there but i have to find some time, the new Naks site has all pritority for me right now. I did make a small entry to the new site for those that may find it: http://www.vintagecassette.com Like the name says, it has to be vintage and who knows will even host blank tapes one time... Wouter From RTLehe at aol.com Thu Oct 30 17:39:44 2003 From: RTLehe at aol.com (RTLehe at aol.com) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 11:39:44 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] a very minor grip about the Nakamichi marketing department Message-ID: <34C900B6.79C83B68.0004E774@aol.com> I admit to being a latecomer to the Nak world. I could only afford the entry fee after the company stopped making tape decks and used ones became ridiculously cheap. And by now I have finally figured out the various lines and when they were made and what their features are. But it took a needlessly long time because of the lack of consistency in their various numbering schemes. LX, BX, ZX prefixes, Z sometimes a prefix, sometimes tacked on at the end, sometimes no prefix--just 3 digits. For a CR, a 1 or 2 means a 2-head and 3, 5 , or 7 means a 3-head; but for a DR, a 1 or 2 means 3-head and a 3 means a 2-head. Who thought it was a good idea to reverse the numbering system when the CR morphed into the DR? And why do the CRs have A's, but the DR's dont? And Cassette Deck! Wow that is creative! And 1, 1.5, and 2. I know, its an exceedingly minor issue. And I guess the marketing folks were not thinking about how to make it easy for buyers of used Nakamichi cassette decks to keep tracke of 3 decades of product lines. But I would think there would be some motivation to number products in a way that makes some sense. For Yamahas for instance, you can pretty much tell my the model number whether it is 2 or 3 heads, auto-reverse or not, and roughly when it was made. Sony is the worst however. SO many letters and numerals with no particular pattern that it is impossible to remember any of them. From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri Oct 31 09:24:37 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:24:37 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] Silver versions Cassette Deck 1/1.5/2 Message-ID: <18356.212.78.179.234.1067588677.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> The service manual of the Cassette Deck 1.5 already mentioned a silver version but now there is a Silver Cassette Deck 2 for sale on ebay. So they exist! Wouter From ti at amb.org Fri Oct 31 09:34:01 2003 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 00:34:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] lx5 In-Reply-To: <002201c39f32$705d74e0$1c6523c8@g8nsv> from "Isy Fidelman" at Oct 30, 2003 06:08:54 PM Message-ID: <200310310834.IAA07098@amb.org> Hi Isy, Thanks for your comments. I am glad you like your Dragon. I sure love mine! Would love to play around with a 1000ZXL someday, though (of course the Limited would be even nicer to look at). -Ti -- R 1 3 5 Ti Kan |_|_|_| http://www.amb.org/ti | | | Vorsprung durch Technik 2 4 6 Isy Fidelman writes: > Well I have to say that the tapes I recorded in the 1000ZXL don't sound > that good in other machines, specially not Naks; for example in the car. > They sound wirth some kind of distortion. In other Naks they sound great > though. > The CR-7 is a vey interesting machine. The recordings are very sweet if > I can use the word but that sweet sound is lost when I reproduce those tapes > in other Naks but in the CR-7 it sounds sweet. > The Dragon in my opinion and experience is the more balanced of the Naks > I own because the tapes I record in it sound really great in other machines > (Nkas and no Naks, again in the car for example...by the way I have a > Pioneer cassette deck in the car 3 years old; nothing that fancy nor that > expensive). > The 680ZX I have to admit i am kind of new to it so I am just learning > to use it properly. I'll let you know in a few months or weeks how it goes. > Finally the LX-5...I love this machine because it is very simple to use > and the results are excellent. This is the one I usually use for 90% of my > recordings. > If you ask me to choose one I'll take the Dragon for what it gives > regarding the fact that as i said those tapes can be reproduced in any > machine and they sound awesome.... but if you don't have the money for a > Dragon the LX-5 is a great buy and as we all can see through the list and > ebay they are really cheap for the great machine they are. > I would like to add something about both the 1000ZXL and the Limited. > recently I found some old tapes and wanted to record them in cd's... I > reproduced the tapes in all my Naks (the same song) and record that song in > cd. The best results came when I reproduced the tapes from the 1000ZXL and > the Limited. From merten.hermann at bayerpolymers.com Fri Oct 31 16:19:53 2003 From: merten.hermann at bayerpolymers.com (merten.hermann at bayerpolymers.com) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 16:19:53 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nomenclature CR4(E), or CR4(A)... Message-ID: Hi Guys, I am wondering: i.e. CR4E means that the tape is obviously the european version, likewise CR4A for the U.S. But what if the last letter is missing only called CR4? What's the difference? Anybody out there who can help? Thanks. Merten From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Oct 31 18:25:42 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:25:42 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nomenclature CR4(E), or CR4(A)... Message-ID: <5712053ea3.53ea357120@vsnl.net> CR4 refers to Asian or east asian versions. Nak also has CR40 - Japanese version. Surprisingly one potential buyer of my CR7 thought that CR7 is actually CR5A in asian disguise ( without auto calibration and azimuth adjust etc!. These designations are only for Powersupply configuaration and infact asian version is the most versatile - you can switch betwen 20/240 V AC input to 110V AC input. Ofcourse some of these may not have switchable inputs but check up that feature if you are very keen on such a thing! kannan ----- Original Message ----- From: merten.hermann at bayerpolymers.com Date: Friday, October 31, 2003 7:19 am Subject: [naktalk] Nomenclature CR4(E), or CR4(A)... > Hi Guys, > I am wondering: i.e. CR4E means that the tape is obviously the > european version, > likewise CR4A for the U.S. But what if the last letter is missing > only called > CR4? What's the difference? Anybody out there who can help? Thanks. > Merten > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- From stan.targowski at comcast.net Fri Oct 31 18:07:20 2003 From: stan.targowski at comcast.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 11:07:20 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Cassette Deck Numbering Schemes - and what a CR-9 would have looked like? In-Reply-To: <34C900B6.79C83B68.0004E774@aol.com> Message-ID: I think Sony did just what you said, encoded the type of the deck in the name ... TC-xxxx was a cassette deck in general ... TC-Kxxxx was a single well TC-KR was single with reverse TC-W was double well and TC-WR double with reverse TC-xxxx- ES was the Extended Standard series (the Lexus line of SONY). Within each line, the higher the number, the better the deck, i.e., TC-K7ES was better than TC-K3ES, etc. It was consistent. It could have been confusing if one did not know the pattern ... I agree, Nakamichi had a great way of naming decks, 400, 500, 600 series, LX, BX, RX, ZX, CR - the higher the number the better the deck within the line. The inconsistency started with the CassetteDeck line (unless one can count ZX-5 and BX-300 inconsistent - same deck for different markets.) I think the reason for 1.5 was, that they had already made 1 and 2, and needed to stick something in between, a simpler three head machine and 1.5 was the only logical place. The most confusing line may be DR as DR1-DR3 go in descending quality sequence, and DR8, DR10 go in ascending ... Go and figure ... Being on Nakamichi decks prior to CassetteDeck series and on the numbers. Forget the alphabetic prefix, looking at the numbers, decks with 1's and 2's typically were lower end two heads (BX100/125/150/2, CR2, RX-202), 5 was solid three head (ZX-5, CR5, 582, RX-505, LX-5), 7 (700/ZXE/ZXL, ZX-7, CR-7), 9 (ZX-9), and 10 (1000/ZXE/ZXL) were reserved for top of the line machines. I would like to have seen what a CR-9 would have looked like, as I am sure it must have been on the drawing board ? Stan -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of RTLehe at aol.com Sent: Thu, October 30, 2003 10:40 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] a very minor grip about the Nakamichi marketing department I admit to being a latecomer to the Nak world. I could only afford the entry fee after the company stopped making tape decks and used ones became ridiculously cheap. And by now I have finally figured out the various lines and when they were made and what their features are. But it took a needlessly long time because of the lack of consistency in their various numbering schemes. LX, BX, ZX prefixes, Z sometimes a prefix, sometimes tacked on at the end, sometimes no prefix--just 3 digits. For a CR, a 1 or 2 means a 2-head and 3, 5 , or 7 means a 3-head; but for a DR, a 1 or 2 means 3-head and a 3 means a 2-head. Who thought it was a good idea to reverse the numbering system when the CR morphed into the DR? And why do the CRs have A's, but the DR's dont? And Cassette Deck! Wow that is creative! And 1, 1.5, and 2. I know, its an exceedingly minor issue. And I guess the marketing folks were not thinking about how to make it easy for buyers of used Nakamichi cassette d! ecks to keep tracke of 3 decades of product lines. But I would think there would be some motivation to number products in a way that makes some sense. For Yamahas for instance, you can pretty much tell my the model number whether it is 2 or 3 heads, auto-reverse or not, and roughly when it was made. Sony is the worst however. SO many letters and numerals with no particular pattern that it is impossible to remember any of them. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Oct 31 18:08:06 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:08:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nomenclature CR4(E), or CR4(A)... References: Message-ID: <3FA296F6.10DF2849@rcn.com> The difference is in the power transformer. 'A' units have a 115V transformer. 'E' units have a 240V transformer (many models have a 220V tap as well. I am not sure about the CR-4). Decks with no designation have a transformer with split primary, allowing operation at both 115V and 240V. There is a slide switch on the rear for selection. In the 'A' and 'E' units, the slide switch mounting hole on the rear is covered with a small plate. -- Ron merten.hermann at bayerpolymers.com wrote: > > Hi Guys, > I am wondering: i.e. CR4E means that the tape is obviously the european version, > likewise CR4A for the U.S. But what if the last letter is missing only called > CR4? What's the difference? Anybody out there who can help? Thanks. > Merten > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2003\2003-11.txt ************************************************************************ From sad124 at wowway.com Sat Nov 1 16:25:11 2003 From: sad124 at wowway.com (Scott Duncan) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 10:25:11 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] TD-700 Message-ID: <000a01c3a08c$57cfd610$8bb30e45@VALUED20606295> As I mentioned before I have one of these units in my car. I was wondering are their any other Nak Mobile Decks that will give as good as performance as the TD-700, but also accomodate a CD Changer? 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URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Nov 1 17:44:39 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 11:44:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-7A References: <001501c3a08c$97bf5430$8bb30e45@VALUED20606295> Message-ID: <3FA3E2F7.5EF46046@rcn.com> > Scott Duncan wrote: > > I just acquired one of these beasts not to long ago and had a > question. > > I was wondering do the owners of this wonderful machine prefer to > record with the peak-hold on or off and has anyone noticed a > difference in sound quality? Peak Hold affects meter behaviour. It has no direct effect on sound quality. Most of the time, I turn it off. However, while recording a source where the level constantly undergoes large changes, I briefly switch it on, to better evaluate the correct recording level. > I have a few article reviews from Audio, High-Fidelity and Stereo > Review magazines on the Nak CR-7. I would be happy to scan and > try to post these somewhere if anyone is interested, let me know. > Thanks. I am sure Wouter will be happy to add these to his Naks.com collection and eventually, make them available to all list members. I believe a couple of the CR-7 reviews are already there. -- Ron From kemppie at studenten.net Sat Nov 1 17:48:23 2003 From: kemppie at studenten.net (Kemppie) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 17:48:23 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-7A References: <001501c3a08c$97bf5430$8bb30e45@VALUED20606295> Message-ID: <001501c3a097$f6d3fe20$9600000a@lan> Hello, I have an CR-7A and do not notice any difference in sound quality when recording with peak-hold on or not. Could you send me the reviews ? Thanks Laurens ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Duncan To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 4:26 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-7A I just acquired one of these beasts not to long ago and had a question. I was wondering do the owners of this wonderful machine prefer to record with the peak-hold on or off and has anyone noticed a difference in sound quality? I have a few article reviews from Audio, High-Fidelity and Stereo Review magazines on the Nak CR-7. I would be happy to scan and try to post these somewhere if anyone is interested, let me know. Thanks. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fidelman at telcel.net.ve Sat Nov 1 20:48:52 2003 From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 15:48:52 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-7A References: <001501c3a08c$97bf5430$8bb30e45@VALUED20606295> Message-ID: <006c01c3a0b1$31812a70$156423c8@g8nsv> Hi Scott!!! I would also like to havecopies of those reviews if possible. Isy ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Duncan To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 11:26 AM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-7A I just acquired one of these beasts not to long ago and had a question. I was wondering do the owners of this wonderful machine prefer to record with the peak-hold on or off and has anyone noticed a difference in sound quality? I have a few article reviews from Audio, High-Fidelity and Stereo Review magazines on the Nak CR-7. I would be happy to scan and try to post these somewhere if anyone is interested, let me know. Thanks. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smoke at snip.net Sun Nov 2 07:18:26 2003 From: smoke at snip.net (John M. Smokevitch) Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 01:18:26 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] TD-700 References: <000a01c3a08c$57cfd610$8bb30e45@VALUED20606295> Message-ID: <3FA4A1B2.2CFA9512@snip.net> My recollection was that there was a limited edition of the TD1200II which gave way better performance (it's a Dragon for the car--I own two) which had an "auxiliary" input. My recollection is that it was a unit made for the Asian market and not imported into the USA. My two don't have this input but I've had Steve Sank modify one to feed a direct signal to its outputs that bypasses all tone control, volume, balance circuits, etc. to give the purest signal to a Nak MB500's auxiliary input to be part of my ultimate car audio system. I've made posts onto NakTalk about this system in the past. Best regards. John Scott Duncan wrote: > As I mentioned before I have one of these units in my car. I was > wondering are their any other Nak Mobile Decks that will give as good > as performance as the TD-700, but also accomodate a CD Changer? > Thanks > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Snapshot of a TD-560 can be found at: http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon/kjpvault2002.html Regards, Bleus de Nakker Madison, WIsc USA kjbleus at charter.net Message: 1 Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 10:25:11 -0500 From: "Scott Duncan" Subject: [naktalk] TD-700 To: Message-ID: <000a01c3a08c$57cfd610$8bb30e45 at VALUED20606295> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" As I mentioned before I have one of these units in my car. I was wondering are their any other Nak Mobile Decks that will give as good as performance as the TD-700, but also accomodate a CD Changer? Thanks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Nov 2 15:43:43 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 14:43:43 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Mobile Naks & CD Changers In-Reply-To: <003901c3a14b$d1c76270$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6> Message-ID: <001001c3a14f$b6d7f340$3f6f893e@oemcomputer> Bleus I just checked out the link and noticed the cool tool sat on the paper block next to the headphones ... is that for re-aligning heads?! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of KJ Bleus Sent: 02 November 2003 14:16 To: naktalk at naks.com; sad124 at wowway.com Cc: KJ Bleus Subject: [naktalk] Mobile Naks & CD Changers Sxott, Nak TD-560 combo w/ CDC-101 was a top release in the USA for Nakamichi back in 1989/90. Features autoreverse w/ azimuth calibration, dual capstan, crystalalloy playback head (same as used in Dragon and TD-1200), wireless remote, and comprehensive interface and controls for CDC-101 ten disc changer. I've got a couple TD-560's in use, currently w/o CD components. I can provide the specifics for the TD-560 and an informative technical article from Audio Magazine (May 19890) upon request. Snapshot of a TD-560 can be found at: http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon/kjpvault2002.html Regards, Bleus de Nakker Madison, WIsc USA kjbleus at charter.net Message: 1 Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 10:25:11 -0500 From: "Scott Duncan" Subject: [naktalk] TD-700 To: Message-ID: <000a01c3a08c$57cfd610$8bb30e45 at VALUED20606295> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" As I mentioned before I have one of these units in my car. I was wondering are their any other Nak Mobile Decks that will give as good as performance as the TD-700, but also accomodate a CD Changer? 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The results are brilliantly exhibited in the Nakamichi 1000ZXL. This unmatched deck represents the culmination of the most advanced cassette reproduction technology presently available, achieving both sound and operational flexibility that surpass even the legendary 1000. The pieces have to be like this, short and informative, but can also be about 'Dolby B', 'Silent Mechanism', 'Wow and Flutter' etc etc. So multiple writers are possible depending on their speciality. Each piece will give a credit to the writer, so you'll be famous too! WHO WANTS? Please reply to me in person: wheijke at xs4all.nl Wouter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From martinferreira at hotmail.com Mon Nov 3 02:50:53 2003 From: martinferreira at hotmail.com (martinferreira at hotmail.com) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 01:50:53 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] hum from CR3 Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ti at amb.org Sun Nov 2 23:29:08 2003 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 14:29:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Demagnatizing In-Reply-To: <000a01c3a156$18a17640$0c1d0cd0@r7g1f8> from "Babin/Greseth" at Nov 02, 2003 07:29:24 AM Message-ID: <200311022229.WAA22149@amb.org> Babin/Greseth writes: > I need some help please. Can someone please tell me or give me a = > website or source that will explain the "proper technique" that should = > be used to "demag" heads and other parts of my Nak 680ZX. Also other = > than the heads, what should I be concerned about? I assume you're using a "wand" type of demagnetizer. Just plug it in, turn it on first and then *slowly* bring the tip of the demagnetizer to the heads, capstans and any other metal parts that the tape comes in contact with. The key here is slow gradual movement. A few seconds is all that is required. Then, slowly withdraw the demagnetizer and you're done. Don't turn on/off the demagnetizer while its tip is in the vicinity of the heads. -Ti -- R 1 3 5 Ti Kan |_|_|_| http://www.amb.org/ti | | | Vorsprung durch Technik 2 4 6 From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Nov 3 16:04:55 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 10:04:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] hum from CR3 References: Message-ID: <3FA66E97.770F8D37@rcn.com> The most likely source of the mechanical humming sound can be either the capstan motor or the power transformer. To determine which, remove the cover and listen from close. If it's the capstan motor, lubrication may eliminate or reduce the noise level. Otherwise, it has to be replaced. If it's the transformer, tightening it up may cure the problem. -- Ron martinferreira at hotmail.com wrote: > > I have noticed a low hum when the machine is on pause or play > (audible between songs). It comes from somewhere inside the unit, > NOT from the loudspeakers: Could it be that one of the motors > need replacement? Otherwise it palys well and sounds ok. > Martin > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Enjoy MSN 8 patented spam control and more with MSN 8 Dial-up > Internet Service. Try it FREE for one month! > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ddino77 at earthlink.net Mon Nov 3 21:49:23 2003 From: ddino77 at earthlink.net (ddino77 at earthlink.net) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 15:49:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] hum from CR3 Message-ID: <323910-220031113204923376@M2W059.mail2web.com> I have a similar problem with a RTR. Question: how does one go about tightening a power transformer. Are there bolts or fasteners that loosen? thanks ddan Original Message: ----------------- From: Ron ra.ah at rcn.com Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 10:04:55 -0500 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] hum from CR3 The most likely source of the mechanical humming sound can be either the capstan motor or the power transformer. To determine which, remove the cover and listen from close. If it's the capstan motor, lubrication may eliminate or reduce the noise level. Otherwise, it has to be replaced. If it's the transformer, tightening it up may cure the problem. -- Ron martinferreira at hotmail.com wrote: > > I have noticed a low hum when the machine is on pause or play > (audible between songs). It comes from somewhere inside the unit, > NOT from the loudspeakers: Could it be that one of the motors > need replacement? Otherwise it palys well and sounds ok. > Martin > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Enjoy MSN 8 patented spam control and more with MSN 8 Dial-up > Internet Service. Try it FREE for one month! > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From kjbleus at charter.net Mon Nov 3 23:26:48 2003 From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 16:26:48 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Alignment Gear & Demagg Methods Message-ID: <002101c3a259$93c3fd30$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6> Graham, you're really the limit! Of course, that's my playback alignment stone (from Avebury, UK, hah,hah), a composite of non-magnetic pre-historic geologic materials proven to effectively set an accurate tape path over cassette deck transport mechanism. Works great, but one needs to go light on the drop angle to get an accurate minute/second degree adjustments. A druid's consulting advice is sometimes required to afford perfection in alignments during key solstice times of the year, especially during the immediate years after the passing of the millenium. Of course, it helps to have a Nak T-100 analyzer to monitor alignment stone procedures, the magic comes in knowing how to use earlier technology with modern technology :-} Randall - Regarding cassette deck demagg methods, have a look at the handy guide provided in one of the Nak owners manuals..... http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmaintenance.html And the instructions provided with Nak DM-10 demagg wands...... http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/demag.html Ti's advice is good, and between all these methods, you're bound to get your 680ZX in great shape in a snap! Regards, Bleus de Nakker Madison, Wisc USA kjbleus at charter.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 5:00 AM Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 9, Issue 3 > > Naktalk digest mailing list > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Mobile Naks & CD Changers (KJ Bleus) > 2. RE: Mobile Naks & CD Changers (Nelson) > 3. Demagnatizing (Babin/Greseth) > 4. (Technical) Writers Wanted! (Wouter Heijke) > 5. CR-7A Articles/Reviews (Scott Duncan) > 6. Re: TD-700 (Brian Stocker) > 7. hum from CR3 (martinferreira at hotmail.com) > 8. Re: Demagnatizing (Ti Kan) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 14:43:43 -0000 > From: "Nelson" > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Mobile Naks & CD Changers > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Message-ID: <001001c3a14f$b6d7f340$3f6f893e at oemcomputer> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Bleus > > I just checked out the link and noticed the cool tool sat on the paper block > next to the headphones ... is that for re-aligning heads?! > > Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf > Of KJ Bleus > Sent: 02 November 2003 14:16 > To: naktalk at naks.com; sad124 at wowway.com > Cc: KJ Bleus > Subject: [naktalk] Mobile Naks & CD Changers > > > Sxott, > > Nak TD-560 combo w/ CDC-101 was a top release in the USA for Nakamichi > back in 1989/90. Features autoreverse w/ azimuth calibration, dual capstan, > crystalalloy playback head (same as used in Dragon and TD-1200), wireless > remote, and comprehensive interface and controls for CDC-101 ten disc > changer. I've got a couple TD-560's in use, currently w/o CD components. I > can provide the specifics for the TD-560 and an informative technical > article from Audio Magazine (May 19890) upon request. > > Snapshot of a TD-560 can be found at: > > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon/kjpvault2002.html > > Regards, > > Bleus de Nakker > Madison, WIsc USA > kjbleus at charter.net > > > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 10:25:11 -0500 > From: "Scott Duncan" > Subject: [naktalk] TD-700 > To: > Message-ID: <000a01c3a08c$57cfd610$8bb30e45 at VALUED20606295> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > As I mentioned before I have one of these units in my car. I was > wondering are their any other Nak Mobile Decks that will give as good as > performance as the TD-700, but also accomodate a CD Changer? Thanks > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.530 / Virus Database: 325 - Release Date: 22/10/03 > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20031102/4781ebb4/attachment-0001.htm > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 07:29:24 -0800 > From: "Babin/Greseth" > Subject: [naktalk] Demagnatizing > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Message-ID: <000a01c3a156$18a17640$0c1d0cd0 at r7g1f8> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Nak Dudes > > I need some help please. Can someone please tell me or give me a website or source that will explain the "proper technique" that should be used to "demag" heads and other parts of my Nak 680ZX. Also other than the heads, what should I be concerned about? > > Also, I would like to purchase a CR7. I'm not too keen on buying one from ebay. Does anyone have one for sale, or know someone who does? I am willing to pay a reasonable price working or not as long as the cosmetics are A-1 or B-1 at the least. > > Randall in Seattle > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20031102/ddb239cb/attachment-0001.htm > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 14:29:08 -0800 (PST) > From: Ti Kan > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Demagnatizing > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: <200311022229.WAA22149 at amb.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Babin/Greseth writes: > > I need some help please. Can someone please tell me or give me a = > > website or source that will explain the "proper technique" that should = > > be used to "demag" heads and other parts of my Nak 680ZX. Also other = > > than the heads, what should I be concerned about? > > I assume you're using a "wand" type of demagnetizer. Just plug it in, > turn it on first and then *slowly* bring the tip of the demagnetizer to > the heads, capstans and any other metal parts that the tape comes in contact > with. The key here is slow gradual movement. A few seconds is all that > is required. Then, slowly withdraw the demagnetizer and you're done. > Don't turn on/off the demagnetizer while its tip is in the vicinity of > the heads. > > -Ti > -- > R 1 3 5 Ti Kan > |_|_|_| http://www.amb.org/ti > | | | Vorsprung durch Technik > 2 4 6 > > ------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 9, Issue 3 > ************************************* > From RTLehe at aol.com Tue Nov 4 00:32:30 2003 From: RTLehe at aol.com (RTLehe at aol.com) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 18:32:30 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR2A playback response Message-ID: <7D785A29.26D2A35F.0004E774@aol.com> I just got a CR-2A on ebay. It seems to be in pretty good shape except for two things. The high fequencies are slightly rolled off--the treble control on the amp needs to go to about 1:00 or between 1:00 and 2:00 in order to get it to match my CR-1A and BX 125--and the bias adjustment needs to go to about 10:00 in order to get the recordings on Maxell XLII to be flat. Recordings made with the bias adjustment made sound good on my other Naks. I fiddled with azimuth adjustment for an hour to try to improve the treble response, but still could not get it to match the other 2 head Naks. (I have successfully adjust the azimuth on the other 2-head Naks.) So my failure to get the HF up to snuff, plus the bias issue would lead me to believe the heads are worn, but they look fine. Another thing that leads me not to believe it is the head is that when I adjust the treble on the amp, the deck sounds just fine. It just sort of bugs me(maybe it shouldnt) that I dont get proper response without the treble control adjustment. Is there an internal electronic adjustment or a pot for playback response in these decks? Is there some other factor that could cause the treble roll-off? Tad From bwana747 at hotmail.com Tue Nov 4 06:36:37 2003 From: bwana747 at hotmail.com (bwana747 _) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 23:36:37 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] hum from CR3 Message-ID: Also be sure the hum isn't from an external source such as an amplifier (or fluorescent light fixture or "wall wart" transformer) nearby or from a shorted or noisy hookup cable. One of my Naks (a BX-1) was connected to a surround sound home theater amplifier and there was a very noticeable hum. It was traced to the amplifier below the cassette deck. After reestablishing the ground connection on the amp the hum problem was solved. I did try a few tests and found that my BX-1 was most vulnerable to external hum when the source of the hum was located directly below the deck. Bob >From: "" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] hum from CR3 >Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 01:50:53 +0000 > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Great deals on high-speed Internet access as low as $26.95. https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From indulis.b at au1.ibm.com Tue Nov 4 04:33:34 2003 From: indulis.b at au1.ibm.com (Indulis Bernsteins) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 11:33:34 +0800 Subject: [naktalk] BX-100 idler wheel rubber in Australia- free to a good home Message-ID: Dear person who I picked at random but whom I trust implicitly, I have recently come into a great deal of wealth by receiving quantities of precious black substance from my import business in an African country that for political reasons I cannot name. Having consulted with my colleagues I have the privilege to request for your assistance to transfer the sum of one NAK rubber idler wheel tyre into your accounts. The above sum resulted from an over-ordered transaction. We are now ready to transfer one idler wheel rubber and that is where you come in. The transfer is risk free on both sides. If you find this proposal acceptable, we shall require the following documents: (a) your banker's name, telephone, account and fax numbers. (b) your private telephone and fax numbers -- for confidentiality and easy communication. (c) your letter-headed paper stamped and signed. (d) the deeds to your house. (e) irrevocable rights to your offspring and/or personal assets. (f) a lock of your hair. (g) the secret word. Best regards Mr Ugoda Trustmi PS there are many unscrupulous e-mails circulating on the internet falsely promising untold wealth- this is not one of them! =================================================================================================================== Thanks to the great info in Naktalk, I ordered and received and successfully installed a replacement rubber tyre (tire) on my BX-100's idler wheel. I bought 5 of these little beasties from mcmone in the USA ( 32-5665 is the MCM stock number) and had them shipped to Oz. Ended up about US$20 to get the 5 of them shipped here- one tiny envelope in a really big box! If there is anyone in Oz that wants one to repair their Nak deck, I am happy to "pay it forward" by send out some of my stock via normal AustraliaPost snailmail. Please make sure that your deck can actually use this idler wheel rubber before asking me to send it. I believe the BX-1, BX-100, and BX-125 (also BX-300?) use the same transport and same idler wheel. If your deck won't rewind or ff properly with a tape in, and when it plays the takeup spool does not rotate you probably have a dead idler tye. I hope the spam-catchers don't block this :-) Indulis PS I am still interested in any BX-100 manuals -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Nov 4 04:50:48 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 22:50:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] hum from CR3 References: <323910-220031113204923376@M2W059.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <3FA72218.A17E235A@rcn.com> Most transformers are assembled with two or four bolts that compress the plates together. In time, the plates may 'settle' leaving room for them to vibrate. Tightening the bolts may help, though this is by no means guaranteed. -- Ron "ddino77 at earthlink.net" wrote: > > I have a similar problem with a RTR. Question: how does one go about > tightening a power transformer. Are there bolts or fasteners that loosen? > thanks ddan > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: Ron ra.ah at rcn.com > Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 10:04:55 -0500 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] hum from CR3 > > The most likely source of the mechanical humming sound > can be either the capstan motor or the power transformer. > To determine which, remove the cover and listen from > close. > > If it's the capstan motor, lubrication may eliminate or > reduce the noise level. Otherwise, it has to be replaced. > > If it's the transformer, tightening it up may cure the > problem. > > -- Ron > > martinferreira at hotmail.com wrote: > > > > I have noticed a low hum when the machine is on pause or play > > (audible between songs). It comes from somewhere inside the unit, > > NOT from the loudspeakers: Could it be that one of the motors > > need replacement? Otherwise it palys well and sounds ok. > > Martin > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Enjoy MSN 8 patented spam control and more with MSN 8 Dial-up > > Internet Service. Try it FREE for one month! > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From stan.targowski at comcast.net Tue Nov 4 02:11:10 2003 From: stan.targowski at comcast.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 19:11:10 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] CR2A playback response In-Reply-To: <7D785A29.26D2A35F.0004E774@aol.com> Message-ID: Tad - when you make a recording on the CR2 (XLII tape and bias @ 10) and play it back on your decks, do you still get better HF response on your CR1 and BX-125, than on the original CR2 (i.e., you do not need to fiddle with the treble knob on your amp?) As far as moving the bias adjustment to 10 it seems OK. I bet if you tried XL-IIS or SA-X you would notice that you would keep it more at 12. Stan -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of RTLehe at aol.com Sent: Mon, November 03, 2003 5:33 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] CR2A playback response I just got a CR-2A on ebay. It seems to be in pretty good shape except for two things. The high fequencies are slightly rolled off--the treble control on the amp needs to go to about 1:00 or between 1:00 and 2:00 in order to get it to match my CR-1A and BX 125--and the bias adjustment needs to go to about 10:00 in order to get the recordings on Maxell XLII to be flat. Recordings made with the bias adjustment made sound good on my other Naks. I fiddled with azimuth adjustment for an hour to try to improve the treble response, but still could not get it to match the other 2 head Naks. (I have successfully adjust the azimuth on the other 2-head Naks.) So my failure to get the HF up to snuff, plus the bias issue would lead me to believe the heads are worn, but they look fine. Another thing that leads me not to believe it is the head is that when I adjust the treble on the amp, the deck sounds just fine. It just sort of bugs me(maybe it shouldnt) that I dont get proper resp! onse without the treble control adjustment. Is there an internal electronic adjustment or a pot for playback response in these decks? Is there some other factor that could cause the treble roll-off? Tad ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Tue Nov 4 10:53:04 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 11:53:04 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] BX-100 idler wheel rubber in Australia- free to a goodhome Message-ID: Brilliant!!!!!!! Marc The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. 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Was your father Director General Sociales of the Niberian National Konsortium Weltenshachtliche before the nasty takeover of all the national oil assets the key to which is stored in a safety box in Pamama City? Bless be to Ugoda! Proctor psburress at worldnet.att.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Indulis Bernsteins To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 7:33 PM Subject: [naktalk] BX-100 idler wheel rubber in Australia- free to a goodhome Dear person who I picked at random but whom I trust implicitly, I have recently come into a great deal of wealth by receiving quantities of precious black substance from my import business in an African country that for political reasons I cannot name. Having consulted with my colleagues I have the privilege to request for your assistance to transfer the sum of one NAK rubber idler wheel tyre into your accounts. The above sum resulted from an over-ordered transaction. We are now ready to transfer one idler wheel rubber and that is where you come in. The transfer is risk free on both sides. If you find this proposal acceptable, we shall require the following documents: (a) your banker's name, telephone, account and fax numbers. (b) your private telephone and fax numbers -- for confidentiality and easy communication. (c) your letter-headed paper stamped and signed. (d) the deeds to your house. (e) irrevocable rights to your offspring and/or personal assets. (f) a lock of your hair. (g) the secret word. Best regards Mr Ugoda Trustmi PS there are many unscrupulous e-mails circulating on the internet falsely promising untold wealth- this is not one of them! =================================================================================================================== Thanks to the great info in Naktalk, I ordered and received and successfully installed a replacement rubber tyre (tire) on my BX-100's idler wheel. I bought 5 of these little beasties from mcmone in the USA (32-5665 is the MCM stock number) and had them shipped to Oz. Ended up about US$20 to get the 5 of them shipped here- one tiny envelope in a really big box! If there is anyone in Oz that wants one to repair their Nak deck, I am happy to "pay it forward" by send out some of my stock via normal AustraliaPost snailmail. Please make sure that your deck can actually use this idler wheel rubber before asking me to send it. I believe the BX-1, BX-100, and BX-125 (also BX-300?) use the same transport and same idler wheel. If your deck won't rewind or ff properly with a tape in, and when it plays the takeup spool does not rotate you probably have a dead idler tye. I hope the spam-catchers don't block this :-) Indulis PS I am still interested in any BX-100 manuals ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From roleo at telus.net Wed Nov 5 00:27:01 2003 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 15:27:01 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Cassette Selling For More than a Dragon? References: <002e01c39cd7$7ce6ad60$49d9883e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <000701c3a32b$2ba4aec0$8da3b742@desktop> This sure looks like a nice cassette deck, but is it worth what it is selling for....especially compared to a good Nak or Revox? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3056285785&category=4784&rd=1 --Roland From mircen at kbnet.com.mk Wed Nov 5 08:59:57 2003 From: mircen at kbnet.com.mk (Mirce Nesovski) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 08:59:57 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks In-Reply-To: <200310311100.h9VB0XkD027161@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <000001c3a372$d0d009c0$433364c7@mircen> Hi Wouter, I just take a look on new http://www.vintagecassette.com site, it's O.K., but at my opinion, talking about vintage cassette decks, there must be at least picture of one classic analog VU meter (maybe the one of AIWA AD-6700 or Marantz 5030!) MirceN -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of naktalk-request at naks.com Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 12:01 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 8, Issue 46 Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to naktalk at naks.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to naktalk-request at naks.com You can reach the person managing the list at naktalk-owner at naks.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." Naktalk digest mailing list Today's Topics: 1. nak talk thank you (Gerald G.) 2. Re: nak talk thank you (Wouter Heijke) 3. a very minor grip about the Nakamichi marketing department (RTLehe at aol.com) 4. Silver versions Cassette Deck 1/1.5/2 (Wouter Heijke) 5. Re: lx5 (Ti Kan) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 05:48:32 -0600 (CST) From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.) Subject: [naktalk] nak talk thank you To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <20706-3FA0FA90-360 at storefull-2237.public.lawson.webtv.net> Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII as a not so long standing participant in the nak-talk chat room,id like to take this opportunity to thank all those who have been so helpful in answering questions,and in the give and take discussions in which i have certainly picked up quite a bit! i would also like to say something to you all.what a lot of satisfaction I recieved from making a little contribution to this terrific site.I like knowing that im "giving something back",as well as helping to make this site the best it can be.Im really excited about the direction it is moving in.making the donation was so quick,easy and painless;i just clicked on the link on the website,and used paypal and it took me less than 2 minutes.i really appreciate that! i hope some of you will consider doing this as im sure it costs a lot for maintenance on the site.Anyway,thanks again for listening to this off-topic pst.one thing though-i would like to see NAKMART activity pick-up.I would like to see listing of NAKS,NON-NAKS,CASSETES(both recorded and blank),and ACCESORYS.What do you think? thank you very much, gerald ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 13:08:18 +0100 (CET) From: "Wouter Heijke" Subject: Re: [naktalk] nak talk thank you To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Message-ID: <21441.212.78.179.234.1067515698.squirrel at webmail.xs4all.nl> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Thank you Gerald! Thanks for making a contribution, everyone is free to do this or not. Activity on the lists is something you all control! The direction the site(s) are going to is obvious i think, it had to do with technical issues too, many things are possible now. The new site will be a bigger Naks.com, both share the same database, just a different way of representing the data in it. I'll try to produce a list of what's there but i have to find some time, the new Naks site has all pritority for me right now. I did make a small entry to the new site for those that may find it: http://www.vintagecassette.com Like the name says, it has to be vintage and who knows will even host blank tapes one time... Wouter ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 11:39:44 -0500 From: RTLehe at aol.com Subject: [naktalk] a very minor grip about the Nakamichi marketing department To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <34C900B6.79C83B68.0004E774 at aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I admit to being a latecomer to the Nak world. I could only afford the entry fee after the company stopped making tape decks and used ones became ridiculously cheap. And by now I have finally figured out the various lines and when they were made and what their features are. But it took a needlessly long time because of the lack of consistency in their various numbering schemes. LX, BX, ZX prefixes, Z sometimes a prefix, sometimes tacked on at the end, sometimes no prefix--just 3 digits. For a CR, a 1 or 2 means a 2-head and 3, 5 , or 7 means a 3-head; but for a DR, a 1 or 2 means 3-head and a 3 means a 2-head. Who thought it was a good idea to reverse the numbering system when the CR morphed into the DR? And why do the CRs have A's, but the DR's dont? And Cassette Deck! Wow that is creative! And 1, 1.5, and 2. I know, its an exceedingly minor issue. And I guess the marketing folks were not thinking about how to make it easy for buyers of used Nakamichi cassette d! ecks to keep tracke of 3 decades of product lines. But I would think there would be some motivation to number products in a way that makes some sense. For Yamahas for instance, you can pretty much tell my the model number whether it is 2 or 3 heads, auto-reverse or not, and roughly when it was made. Sony is the worst however. SO many letters and numerals with no particular pattern that it is impossible to remember any of them. ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:24:37 +0100 (CET) From: "Wouter Heijke" Subject: [naktalk] Silver versions Cassette Deck 1/1.5/2 To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <18356.212.78.179.234.1067588677.squirrel at webmail.xs4all.nl> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 The service manual of the Cassette Deck 1.5 already mentioned a silver version but now there is a Silver Cassette Deck 2 for sale on ebay. So they exist! Wouter ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 00:34:01 -0800 (PST) From: Ti Kan Subject: Re: [naktalk] lx5 To: fidelman at telcel.net.ve Cc: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <200310310834.IAA07098 at amb.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Isy, Thanks for your comments. I am glad you like your Dragon. I sure love mine! Would love to play around with a 1000ZXL someday, though (of course the Limited would be even nicer to look at). -Ti -- R 1 3 5 Ti Kan |_|_|_| http://www.amb.org/ti | | | Vorsprung durch Technik 2 4 6 Isy Fidelman writes: > Well I have to say that the tapes I recorded in the 1000ZXL don't sound > that good in other machines, specially not Naks; for example in the car. > They sound wirth some kind of distortion. In other Naks they sound great > though. > The CR-7 is a vey interesting machine. The recordings are very sweet if > I can use the word but that sweet sound is lost when I reproduce those tapes > in other Naks but in the CR-7 it sounds sweet. > The Dragon in my opinion and experience is the more balanced of the Naks > I own because the tapes I record in it sound really great in other machines > (Nkas and no Naks, again in the car for example...by the way I have a > Pioneer cassette deck in the car 3 years old; nothing that fancy nor that > expensive). > The 680ZX I have to admit i am kind of new to it so I am just learning > to use it properly. I'll let you know in a few months or weeks how it goes. > Finally the LX-5...I love this machine because it is very simple to use > and the results are excellent. This is the one I usually use for 90% of my > recordings. > If you ask me to choose one I'll take the Dragon for what it gives > regarding the fact that as i said those tapes can be reproduced in any > machine and they sound awesome.... but if you don't have the money for a > Dragon the LX-5 is a great buy and as we all can see through the list and > ebay they are really cheap for the great machine they are. > I would like to add something about both the 1000ZXL and the Limited. > recently I found some old tapes and wanted to record them in cd's... I > reproduced the tapes in all my Naks (the same song) and record that song in > cd. The best results came when I reproduced the tapes from the 1000ZXL and > the Limited. ------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 8, Issue 46 ************************************** From ymj.lombard at wanadoo.fr Wed Nov 5 22:11:20 2003 From: ymj.lombard at wanadoo.fr (Lombard) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 22:11:20 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Problem on a Nak 670ZX Message-ID: <001201c3a3e1$5c27ff00$b239fa51@toto> Hello, The problem symptoms are the following: when depressing the play button, the tape starts and moves normally, but no sound can be heard before at least 15 seconds, sometime up to 30 seconds; the sound increases regularly up to its normal value for about 30 more seconds. When on record mode, the same behaviour applies before recording properly. But everything behaves normally if the play is depressed after the tape has been paused. Can we suspect that the problem may come from the "auto azimut alignement" feature? I'm not a technician and I find it hard to diagnose from only the owner's manual. Can anyone help me with this problem. I'll be pleased to get information on how to fix or by-pass it. Otherwise, I'd like to get the address of a professionnal in Europe, preferably in France, who can service a 670ZX. Thank's for any response -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stan.targowski at comcast.net Wed Nov 5 21:55:54 2003 From: stan.targowski at comcast.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 14:55:54 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Cassette Selling For More than a Dragon? In-Reply-To: <000701c3a32b$2ba4aec0$8da3b742@desktop> Message-ID: This is a great deck. Perhaps worth the money to whoever is looking for a great sounding deck that is virtually brand new, and which will have a relatively low cost of ownership for the next few years as compared to 20-25 years old Naks. Technically, however, this is still a SONY ES. I would be careful comparing it to Dragon, CR7, or ZX9, or 215. These decks used to cost over $1,500 when new. The claim that 15-23 (if I remember right, this is +/- 3 db) is great, but 700ZXE/ZXL and 1000ZXL had higher published specs. And, Japanese own CT-95 (aka CT-1100S) had a 10-30,000 Hz (yes 30) +/-3db on a metal tape, and S/N of 85dB with Dolby S. And, does it really matter, when compared to typical Naks published 20-20,000Hz +/- 3db. Looking at calibration options, you could see that there are single level, bias, and freq (i.e., no separate controls for each channel which Nak used to have on its high-end models.) There is no azymuth control either. So, yes, it may be a great buy for someone who wants one to their collection. Would it sound better than a CR-4, I do not think so. For those interested I would also recommend a lesser TC-K3ES which is relatively similar, but a lesser model, which can be had for < $400 on e-bay, and at times can be found brand new. Stan -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Roland Alford Sent: Tue, November 04, 2003 5:27 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Sony Cassette Selling For More than a Dragon? This sure looks like a nice cassette deck, but is it worth what it is selling for....especially compared to a good Nak or Revox? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3056285785&category=4784& rd=1 --Roland ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ymj.lombard at wanadoo.fr Wed Nov 5 22:14:30 2003 From: ymj.lombard at wanadoo.fr (Lombard) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 22:14:30 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Access to price info and manuals Message-ID: <001b01c3a3e1$cd5d03a0$b239fa51@toto> Hello, I'm new to this great site and community and i didn't find the way to access the price info on the Nak cassettes and the way to download manuals. Can anyone help me. Thank's -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Wed Nov 5 23:01:04 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 09:01:04 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Problem on a Nak 670ZX Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D242@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Does the playback sound "muffled" while during the 15-30 second period. My guess would be that the capstain belt is getting old and slipping to the point that the two capstains are out of sync. Regards, Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Lombard [mailto:ymj.lombard at wanadoo.fr] Sent: Thursday, 6 November 2003 8:11 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Problem on a Nak 670ZX Hello, The problem symptoms are the following: when depressing the play button, the tape starts and moves normally, but no sound can be heard before at least 15 seconds, sometime up to 30 seconds; the sound increases regularly up to its normal value for about 30 more seconds. When on record mode, the same behaviour applies before recording properly. But everything behaves normally if the play is depressed after the tape has been paused. Can we suspect that the problem may come from the "auto azimut alignement" feature? I'm not a technician and I find it hard to diagnose from only the owner's manual. Can anyone help me with this problem. I'll be pleased to get information on how to fix or by-pass it. Otherwise, I'd like to get the address of a professionnal in Europe, preferably in France, who can service a 670ZX. Thank's for any response -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jerryjg at webtv.net Thu Nov 6 12:30:25 2003 From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 05:30:25 -0600 (CST) Subject: [naktalk] two all time favourite vintage non-naks Message-ID: <25278-3FAA30D1-1195@storefull-2234.public.lawson.webtv.net> hi,although nothing could ever take the place of my RX-303,i did own two outstanding vintage non-naks that are long gone(excuse me while i give myself a good swift kick).One great deck was a JVC Digifine series deck with BEAUTIFUL wood sides and extreme clarity of sound -Gone(WAAAAHHH).Another was a Faboulus very Unique Pioneer Dual dubbing Deck Fully Loaded with every feature possible EVEN SOUND_ON_SOUND!And it was built like a halftrack.(WAAAAHHH,WAAHHH). thank you very much, gerald From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Thu Nov 6 13:47:03 2003 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 07:47:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] two all time favourite vintage non-naks Message-ID: Any out there with RX-505's? >From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.) >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] two all time favourite vintage non-naks >Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 05:30:25 -0600 (CST) > >hi,although nothing could ever take the place of my RX-303,i did own two >outstanding vintage non-naks that are long gone(excuse me while i give >myself a good swift kick).One great deck was a JVC Digifine series deck >with BEAUTIFUL wood sides and extreme clarity of sound >-Gone(WAAAAHHH).Another was a Faboulus very Unique Pioneer Dual dubbing >Deck Fully Loaded with every feature possible EVEN SOUND_ON_SOUND!And it >was built like a halftrack.(WAAAAHHH,WAAHHH). > >thank you very much, >gerald > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Is your computer infected with a virus? 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From ymj.lombard at wanadoo.fr Thu Nov 6 21:06:52 2003 From: ymj.lombard at wanadoo.fr (Lombard) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 21:06:52 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Problem on a Nak 670ZX References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D242@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <002e01c3a4a1$85578060$d9573551@toto> Thank's Tom for your answer. No the playback doesn't sound muffled. There is no sound at all at the beginning, then it begins to be audible, mostly in the medium frequency spectrum, and increases in volume and in frequency range up to a normal and stable level. I hope this helps ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 11:01 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Problem on a Nak 670ZX Does the playback sound "muffled" while during the 15-30 second period. My guess would be that the capstain belt is getting old and slipping to the point that the two capstains are out of sync. Regards, Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Lombard [mailto:ymj.lombard at wanadoo.fr] Sent: Thursday, 6 November 2003 8:11 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Problem on a Nak 670ZX Hello, The problem symptoms are the following: when depressing the play button, the tape starts and moves normally, but no sound can be heard before at least 15 seconds, sometime up to 30 seconds; the sound increases regularly up to its normal value for about 30 more seconds. When on record mode, the same behaviour applies before recording properly. But everything behaves normally if the play is depressed after the tape has been paused. Can we suspect that the problem may come from the "auto azimut alignement" feature? I'm not a technician and I find it hard to diagnose from only the owner's manual. Can anyone help me with this problem. I'll be pleased to get information on how to fix or by-pass it. Otherwise, I'd like to get the address of a professionnal in Europe, preferably in France, who can service a 670ZX. Thank's for any response ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Thu Nov 6 22:47:10 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 13:47:10 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Problem on a Nak 670ZX Message-ID: <4477e84481b7.4481b74477e8@vsnl.net> I think Tom is right about Capstan Belt. Whenever the speed differential between two capstans are below the expected 2%( I think); the tape takes time to wrap around Play head as well as record head due to very low tension forces to make the tape to head contact quickly. You can touch and see the capstan belt slackness. Also you can try light pressure on take up side capstan flywheel ( during the play start to check the behaviour! And look for hardened grease on both capstan pinch rollar area - whether the pinch rollars are freely moving etc. Open up the hood and check and that is the only way to trouble shoot. kannan Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002B_01C3A4A9.E6C7FC00" ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C3A4A9.E6C7FC00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank's Tom for your answer. No the playback doesn't sound muffled. There is no sound at all at the = beginning, then it begins to be audible, mostly in the medium frequency = spectrum, and increases in volume and in frequency range up to a normal = and stable level. I hope this helps ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Thomas Siomopoulos=20 To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 11:01 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Problem on a Nak 670ZX Does the playback sound "muffled" while during the 15-30 second = period. My guess would be that the capstain belt is getting old and = slipping to the point that the two capstains are out of sync. Regards, Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Lombard [mailto:ymj.lombard at wanadoo.fr] Sent: Thursday, 6 November 2003 8:11=20 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Problem on a Nak 670ZX Hello, The problem symptoms are the following: when depressing the play = button, the tape starts and moves normally, but no sound can be heard = before at least 15 seconds, sometime up to 30 seconds; the sound = increases regularly up to its normal value for about 30 more seconds. = When on record mode, the same behaviour applies before recording = properly. But everything behaves normally if the play is depressed after = the tape has been paused.=20 Can we suspect that the problem may come from the "auto azimut = alignement" feature? I'm not a technician and I find it hard to diagnose = from only the owner's manual. Can anyone help me with this problem. I'll be pleased to get = information on how to fix or by-pass it. 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Thank's Tom for your = answer.
 
No the playback doesn't sound = muffled.=20 There is no sound at all at the beginning, then it begins to be audible, = mostly=20 in the medium frequency spectrum, and increases in volume and in = frequency=20 range up to a normal and stable level.
 
I hope this = helps
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From:=20 Thomas Siomopoulos =
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, = 2003 11:01=20 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Problem = on a Nak=20 670ZX

Does=20 the playback sound "muffled" while during the 15-30 second period. My = guess=20 would be that the capstain belt is getting old and slipping to the = point that=20 the two capstains are out of sync.
 
    Regards,
 
    Tom.
-----Original Message-----
From: Lombard=20 [mailto:ymj.lombard at wanadoo.fr]
Sent: Thursday, 6 November = 2003=20 8:11
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: = [naktalk] Problem on a Nak 670ZX

Hello,

The problem symptoms are the following: when depressing the play = button,=20 the tape starts and moves normally, but no sound can be heard before = at=20 least 15 seconds, sometime up to 30 seconds; the sound increases = regularly=20 up to its normal value for about 30 more seconds. When on record = mode, the=20 same behaviour applies before recording properly. But everything = behaves=20 normally if the play is depressed after the tape has been paused. =

Can we suspect that the problem may come from the "auto azimut=20 alignement" feature? I'm not a technician and I find it hard to = diagnose=20 from only the owner's manual.

Can anyone help me with this problem. I'll be pleased to get = information=20 on how to fix or by-pass it.

Otherwise, I'd like to get the address of a professionnal in = Europe,=20 preferably in France, who can service a 670ZX.

Thank's for any response

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=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D-= --------------------------------------------------------=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C3A4A9.E6C7FC00-- -------------- next part -------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Nov 6 22:25:38 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 08:25:38 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] two all time favourite vintage non-naks Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D24B@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Yep, I certainly have one of these beauties. -----Original Message----- From: neil lipes [mailto:neillipes628 at hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 6 November 2003 11:47 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] two all time favourite vintage non-naks Any out there with RX-505's? >From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.) >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] two all time favourite vintage non-naks >Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 05:30:25 -0600 (CST) > >hi,although nothing could ever take the place of my RX-303,i did own two >outstanding vintage non-naks that are long gone(excuse me while i give >myself a good swift kick).One great deck was a JVC Digifine series deck >with BEAUTIFUL wood sides and extreme clarity of sound >-Gone(WAAAAHHH).Another was a Faboulus very Unique Pioneer Dual dubbing >Deck Fully Loaded with every feature possible EVEN SOUND_ON_SOUND!And it >was built like a halftrack.(WAAAAHHH,WAAHHH). > >thank you very much, >gerald > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Is your computer infected with a virus? Find out with a FREE computer virus scan from McAfee. Take the FreeScan now! http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Nov 6 22:30:17 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 08:30:17 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Problem on a Nak 670ZX Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D24C@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> That's it! It sounds like it is the belt. What you can do is open the unit and locate the two flywheels, with your finger apply a little resistance on the left flywheel and press play, you should be able to reduce the problem. If it does in fact reduce the problem then all you need is a new belt, but I do not know where you can find one. Let me know how this works out. Regards, Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Lombard [mailto:ymj.lombard at wanadoo.fr] Sent: Friday, 7 November 2003 7:07 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Problem on a Nak 670ZX Thank's Tom for your answer. No the playback doesn't sound muffled. There is no sound at all at the beginning, then it begins to be audible, mostly in the medium frequency spectrum, and increases in volume and in frequency range up to a normal and stable level. I hope this helps ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 11:01 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Problem on a Nak 670ZX Does the playback sound "muffled" while during the 15-30 second period. My guess would be that the capstain belt is getting old and slipping to the point that the two capstains are out of sync. Regards, Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Lombard [mailto:ymj.lombard at wanadoo.fr] Sent: Thursday, 6 November 2003 8:11 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Problem on a Nak 670ZX Hello, The problem symptoms are the following: when depressing the play button, the tape starts and moves normally, but no sound can be heard before at least 15 seconds, sometime up to 30 seconds; the sound increases regularly up to its normal value for about 30 more seconds. When on record mode, the same behaviour applies before recording properly. But everything behaves normally if the play is depressed after the tape has been paused. Can we suspect that the problem may come from the "auto azimut alignement" feature? I'm not a technician and I find it hard to diagnose from only the owner's manual. Can anyone help me with this problem. I'll be pleased to get information on how to fix or by-pass it. Otherwise, I'd like to get the address of a professionnal in Europe, preferably in France, who can service a 670ZX. Thank's for any response _____ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Nov 6 23:00:06 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 09:00:06 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Problem on a Nak 670ZX Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D250@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Kannan you're absolutely right. When I received my 680ZX it had the hardened grease syndrome, the auto azimuth cal feature did not work correctly because of it, after I removed the hardened grease and re-greased it no more problems. Lombard (I hope that is your name), like Kannan mentioned look at both pinch rollers and see if both raise and meet with the capstains when the play mode is started. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: kannan_s at vsnl.com [mailto:kannan_s at vsnl.com] Sent: Friday, 7 November 2003 8:47 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Problem on a Nak 670ZX I think Tom is right about Capstan Belt. Whenever the speed differential between two capstans are below the expected 2%( I think); the tape takes time to wrap around Play head as well as record head due to very low tension forces to make the tape to head contact quickly. You can touch and see the capstan belt slackness. Also you can try light pressure on take up side capstan flywheel ( during the play start to check the behaviour! And look for hardened grease on both capstan pinch rollar area - whether the pinch rollars are freely moving etc. Open up the hood and check and that is the only way to trouble shoot. kannan Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002B_01C3A4A9.E6C7FC00" ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C3A4A9.E6C7FC00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank's Tom for your answer. No the playback doesn't sound muffled. There is no sound at all at the = beginning, then it begins to be audible, mostly in the medium frequency = spectrum, and increases in volume and in frequency range up to a normal = and stable level. I hope this helps ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Thomas Siomopoulos=20 To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 11:01 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Problem on a Nak 670ZX Does the playback sound "muffled" while during the 15-30 second = period. My guess would be that the capstain belt is getting old and = slipping to the point that the two capstains are out of sync. Regards, Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Lombard [mailto:ymj.lombard at wanadoo.fr] Sent: Thursday, 6 November 2003 8:11=20 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Problem on a Nak 670ZX Hello, The problem symptoms are the following: when depressing the play = button, the tape starts and moves normally, but no sound can be heard = before at least 15 seconds, sometime up to 30 seconds; the sound = increases regularly up to its normal value for about 30 more seconds. = When on record mode, the same behaviour applies before recording = properly. But everything behaves normally if the play is depressed after = the tape has been paused.=20 Can we suspect that the problem may come from the "auto azimut = alignement" feature? I'm not a technician and I find it hard to diagnose = from only the owner's manual. Can anyone help me with this problem. I'll be pleased to get = information on how to fix or by-pass it. 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No the playback doesn't sound = muffled.=20 There is no sound at all at the beginning, then it begins to be audible, = mostly=20 in the medium frequency spectrum, and increases in volume and in = frequency=20 range up to a normal and stable level.
 
I hope this = helps
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Thomas Siomopoulos =
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, = 2003 11:01=20 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Problem = on a Nak=20 670ZX

Does=20 the playback sound "muffled" while during the 15-30 second period. My = guess=20 would be that the capstain belt is getting old and slipping to the = point that=20 the two capstains are out of sync.
 
    Regards,
 
    Tom.
-----Original Message-----
From: Lombard=20 [mailto:ymj.lombard at wanadoo.fr]
Sent: Thursday, 6 November = 2003=20 8:11
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: = [naktalk] Problem on a Nak 670ZX

Hello,

The problem symptoms are the following: when depressing the play = button,=20 the tape starts and moves normally, but no sound can be heard before = at=20 least 15 seconds, sometime up to 30 seconds; the sound increases = regularly=20 up to its normal value for about 30 more seconds. When on record = mode, the=20 same behaviour applies before recording properly. But everything = behaves=20 normally if the play is depressed after the tape has been paused. =

Can we suspect that the problem may come from the "auto azimut=20 alignement" feature? I'm not a technician and I find it hard to = diagnose=20 from only the owner's manual.

Can anyone help me with this problem. I'll be pleased to get = information=20 on how to fix or by-pass it.

Otherwise, I'd like to get the address of a professionnal in = Europe,=20 preferably in France, who can service a 670ZX.

Thank's for any response

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I have never regretted the purchase of the "lesser Nak" Neil >From: Thomas Siomopoulos >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] two all time favourite vintage non-naks >Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 08:25:38 +1100 > >Yep, I certainly have one of these beauties. > >-----Original Message----- >From: neil lipes [mailto:neillipes628 at hotmail.com] >Sent: Thursday, 6 November 2003 11:47 >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] two all time favourite vintage non-naks > > >Any out there with RX-505's? > > > >From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.) > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: [naktalk] two all time favourite vintage non-naks > >Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 05:30:25 -0600 (CST) > > > >hi,although nothing could ever take the place of my RX-303,i did own two > >outstanding vintage non-naks that are long gone(excuse me while i give > >myself a good swift kick).One great deck was a JVC Digifine series deck > >with BEAUTIFUL wood sides and extreme clarity of sound > >-Gone(WAAAAHHH).Another was a Faboulus very Unique Pioneer Dual dubbing > >Deck Fully Loaded with every feature possible EVEN SOUND_ON_SOUND!And it > >was built like a halftrack.(WAAAAHHH,WAAHHH). > > > >thank you very much, > >gerald > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >_________________________________________________________________ >Is your computer infected with a virus? 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No ads, no talk. Trial month FREE! http://join.msn.com/?page=offers/premiumradio From alex at autoconsortium.com Fri Nov 7 15:00:00 2003 From: alex at autoconsortium.com (Alex Cagann) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 09:00:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] two all time favourite vintage non-naks In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D24B@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: I've had one for a couple years now...nice deck. Still like my Dragon much better, though :-) Alex Cagann http://www.autoconsortium.com > From: neil lipes [mailto:neillipes628 at hotmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, 6 November 2003 11:47 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] two all time favourite vintage non-naks > > > Any out there with RX-505's? From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Fri Nov 7 15:31:46 2003 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 09:31:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] two all time favourite vintage non-naks Message-ID: Alex: Enjoy!... You own a piece of history. Neil >From: "Alex Cagann" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] two all time favourite vintage non-naks >Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 09:00:00 -0500 > >I've had one for a couple years now...nice deck. Still like my Dragon much >better, though :-) > >Alex Cagann >http://www.autoconsortium.com > > > > From: neil lipes [mailto:neillipes628 at hotmail.com] > > Sent: Thursday, 6 November 2003 11:47 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] two all time favourite vintage non-naks > > > > > > Any out there with RX-505's? > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Compare high-speed Internet plans, starting at $26.95. https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.) From khmerideth at anderson.edu Fri Nov 7 18:46:31 2003 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 12:46:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-7A Message-ID: Hello Scott, My CR-7A has had the gear drive upgrade, but still requires the EQ modification. I did not know about this problem until about a year after getting it. I have the Audio and Hi-Fidelity reviews, but not the Stereo Review article. Please send a scanned copy to me at: khmerideth at anderson.edu My first Nakamichi deck was the 550 in 1976, which I still have. Most people don't think cassette tapes can have good quality sound. But their idea of a cassette deck is a boombox or a hundred dollar dual-well "component" unit. I still enjoy watching someone's face when they realize the music they have been listening to is coming from my 680ZX at half speed (15/16 IPS)! Granted, it's not the quality needed for serious listening, but it is fine for "background" music; even on normal bias 120 minute tapes. There is some improvement using 110 minute metal (Type IV) tapes, but be sure to use 120 us EQ, not the usual 70 us EQ. The longer time constant tends to open up, or accentuate, the high frequencies. If memory serves me correctly, at half-speed, the 680ZX frequency response -3 db point is around 17,500 Hz, which is better than many decks at normal speed. A deficiency with the 660, 670, 680 series is the eject mechanism; the lever has a tendency to break. I try to apply the pressure midway, instead of toward the outside end, on the lever. Also, exerting an even pressure, instead of a quick burst of force, seems to have given a long life to my unit. Hope you enjoy your CR-7A. Just like any fine piece of equipment, it works best when it is used regularly. Seems like the most consistent mechanical culprit is hardened grease, where ever it is used. Most of my music is from live recordings. It has taken me a long time to be able to listen to the end product, without being obsessed with critiquing how microphones should have been positioned differently or recording levels should have been changed. Seems like the more I fiddle with placement and settings, the lesser the quality of the recording. Which leads me to the statement I always try to drive home; "ENJOY THE MUSIC"! Happy Nakin' Kent Merideth >>> sad124 at wowway.com 11/01/03 10:26AM >>> I just acquired one of these beasts not to long ago and had a question. I was wondering do the owners of this wonderful machine prefer to record with the peak-hold on or off and has anyone noticed a difference in sound quality? I have a few article reviews from Audio, High-Fidelity and Stereo Review magazines on the Nak CR-7. I would be happy to scan and try to post these somewhere if anyone is interested, let me know. 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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 22:54:13 -0600 (CST) Subject: [naktalk] children of a lesser NAK Message-ID: <21911-3FAC76F5-1967@storefull-2237.public.lawson.webtv.net> is it snobbery,or prudeishness...elitism or disdain,but i rarely see anyone "bother" with any Naks excpt the top of the mark dragons or other flagship 3 head NAK decks.Well,as the proud owner of an mint RX-303,let me say that we shall not be intimidated,and that "we shall overcome"!, 2 head NAKS need love too! thank you very much, gerald From ymj.lombard at wanadoo.fr Fri Nov 7 19:23:16 2003 From: ymj.lombard at wanadoo.fr (Lombard) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 19:23:16 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Problem on a Nak 670ZX Message-ID: <004301c3a55c$36f97c00$d352fa51@toto> Tom and Kannan, Thank's a lot for your advices. I'll be working on them during the WE and see if I can solve the issue. Yves -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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However, I must admit that the BX-1 is hardly every used and the CR-7 doesn't get much more attention, either because neither of them record or sound quite as nice (to my ear) as the ZX-9. But that BX-1 sounds a lot better than any of my other 3 2-headed decks (all of whom are NEVER used except for the portable Superscope C220, which has been used for radio interviews and the like.) Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Gerald G. > Sent: 08 November 2003 04:54 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] children of a lesser NAK > > > is it snobbery,or prudeishness...elitism or disdain,but i rarely see > anyone "bother" with any Naks excpt the top of the mark dragons or other > flagship 3 head NAK decks.Well,as the proud owner of an mint RX-303,let > me say that we shall not be intimidated,and that "we shall overcome"!, 2 > head NAKS need love too! > > thank you very much, > gerald > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.537 / Virus Database: 332 - Release Date: 06/11/03 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.537 / Virus Database: 332 - Release Date: 06/11/03 From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Sat Nov 8 16:19:37 2003 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 10:19:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] children of a lesser NAK Message-ID: Hey Gerry! You have a rare deck!! I have a 505, my friend has a 202(the other 2head) but I have never seen a 303! Even back in the day at the store .....only 202s and 505s. Enjoy your rare piece of audio history! Neil. >From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.) >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] children of a lesser NAK >Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 22:54:13 -0600 (CST) > >is it snobbery,or prudeishness...elitism or disdain,but i rarely see >anyone "bother" with any Naks excpt the top of the mark dragons or other >flagship 3 head NAK decks.Well,as the proud owner of an mint RX-303,let >me say that we shall not be intimidated,and that "we shall overcome"!, 2 >head NAKS need love too! > >thank you very much, >gerald > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Great deals on high-speed Internet access as low as $26.95. https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.) From copytec at coqui.net Sun Nov 9 17:45:22 2003 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlitos Jr.) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 10:45:22 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] children of a lesser NAK References: <000301c3a5f6$2bdac000$4f67893e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <002801c3a6e0$deaa6560$69773242@coqui.net> My MR-2's blow away any non-nak deck, including those for pro-aplications. Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nelson" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 6:45 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] children of a lesser NAK > If it's any consolation, Gerald, I own a BX-1 2-head Nak, a CR-7 and a > modified ZX-9! However, I must admit that the BX-1 is hardly every used and > the CR-7 doesn't get much more attention, either because neither of them > record or sound quite as nice (to my ear) as the ZX-9. But that BX-1 sounds > a lot better than any of my other 3 2-headed decks (all of whom are NEVER > used except for the portable Superscope C220, which has been used for radio > interviews and the like.) > > Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Gerald G. > > Sent: 08 November 2003 04:54 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] children of a lesser NAK > > > > > > is it snobbery,or prudeishness...elitism or disdain,but i rarely see > > anyone "bother" with any Naks excpt the top of the mark dragons or other > > flagship 3 head NAK decks.Well,as the proud owner of an mint RX-303,let > > me say that we shall not be intimidated,and that "we shall overcome"!, 2 > > head NAKS need love too! > > > > thank you very much, > > gerald > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > --- > > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.537 / Virus Database: 332 - Release Date: 06/11/03 > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.537 / Virus Database: 332 - Release Date: 06/11/03 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From iaincmcghee at yahoo.com.au Sun Nov 9 13:27:09 2003 From: iaincmcghee at yahoo.com.au (=?iso-8859-1?q?Iain=20McGhee?=) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 23:27:09 +1100 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] I love my new (to me) RX-202E Message-ID: <20031109122709.19436.qmail@web40604.mail.yahoo.com> I finally own a Nakamichi deck! After lusting for one in the 80's but never having a spare thousand dollars I finally get one in 2003 - and it's the best cassette deck I've heard. I'm sure there are better Naks, but it beats the hell out of what I remember my friend's top of the line Luxman deck produced in the 80's - so I'm happy. Playing "Home of the Brave" by Laurie Anderson, it easily sounds like CD, but warmer. Mind you Laurie's recordings are always excellent quality, and I AM listening to it through an Accuphase amp and good monitors - but I have to say, the Nak gives me better sound than my Rotel CD player (assuming the recording is good) - more depth and presence. Bravo Nakamichi - the 20 years was worth the wait. I know once I get my Cary CD player that will change, but it's still remarkable that a CASSETTE can give me better sound than an entry level Rotel CD player from '99, ten years after the Nak was bought by the first owner! Oh, and I LOVE the UDAR, and the way the deck senses that the recording has finished and ff to the end. Must try some recording on it soon. http://personals.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Personals New people, new possibilities. FREE for a limited time. From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Nov 9 17:49:31 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 11:49:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] hum from CR3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FAE701B.2080609@rcn.com> First, make sure it's the motor. A buzzing transformer is far more common. There are two lubrication points, at the two ends of the shaft. From the rear, there is a very small hole near the bearing. Using an oil syringe, inject a couple of drops of light machine oil. Inside, there is a felt pad that will absorb and retain the oil. Wait a while, then inject some more. From the front, sneak the syringe needle behind the pulley and deposit a drop OF OIL on the shaft, while tilting the deck backward, until the oil leaks into the bearing. BE EXTRA CAREFUL TO PUT ZERO OIL ON THE PULLEY OR THE BELT!!! (If you do, you will have to remove the belt and *very* thoroughly clean everything -- a real chore). If either bearing is damaged, lubrication won't help. But, if done right, it certainly won't do any harm. Good luck, -- Ron martinferreira at hotmail.com wrote: > Hi Ron and thanks for the info. > > How does oone lubricate the cpastan motor and which oil is recommended? > Many thanks > > Martin > > >From: Ron > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] hum from CR3 > >Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 10:04:55 -0500 > > > > > >The most likely source of the mechanical humming sound > >can be either the capstan motor or the power transformer. > >To determine which, remove the cover and listen from > >close. > > > >If it's the capstan motor, lubrication may eliminate or > >reduce the noise level. Otherwise, it has to be replaced. > > > >If it's the transformer, tightening it up may cure the > >problem. > > > >-- Ron > > > > > > > >martinferreira at hotmail.com wrote: > > > > > > I have noticed a low hum when the machine is on pause or play > > > (audible between songs). It comes from somewhere inside the unit, > > > NOT from the loudspeakers: Could it be that one of the motors > > > need replacement? Otherwise it palys well and sounds ok. > > > Martin > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Enjoy MSN 8 patented spam control and more with MSN 8 Dial-up > > > Internet Service. Try it FREE for one month! > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Send a QuickGreet with MSN Messenger. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Sun Nov 9 00:01:59 2003 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 23:01:59 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] children of a lesser NAK Message-ID: Hi Gerry, I don't think it is snobbery, prudishness.elitism or disdain but rather most people here own more than one Nak and they only tend to discuss the 3 head Naks as they do sound better than the 2 heads. Of the 2 heads that I owned are the RX-202, the 480, BX150 and Cassette Deck 2. Of these, the RX202 was a beautiful piece of design, although not as good as the RX303 that you have or the RX505. The RX303 is indeed a very rare piece of 2 head dual capstan design which looks more like the 3 head RX505. For me, the space constraints meant that I eventually had to decide what stays and what goes, so I kept my 3 head Naks (CR-7, RX-505, BX300 and Cassette Deck 1.5) as well as the Cassette deck 2. Unfortunately the RX202, BX150 and 480 had to go :-( The 2 heads Nak were better than most other 3 heads from other Japanese manufacturers so they certainly "shall overcome" and " not be intimidated!" >>is it snobbery,or prudeishness...elitism or disdain,but i rarely see >>anyone "bother" with any Naks excpt the top of the mark dragons or other >>flagship 3 head NAK decks.Well,as the proud owner of an mint RX-303,let >>me say that we shall not be intimidated,and that "we shall overcome"!, 2 >>head NAKS need love too! >> >>thank you very much, >>gerald _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From sad124 at wowway.com Sun Nov 9 16:26:35 2003 From: sad124 at wowway.com (Scott Duncan) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 10:26:35 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Portable Walkmans Message-ID: <000801c3a6d5$dccb1f10$8bb30e45@VALUED20606295> What portable walkmans, if any, does everyone use? I'm looking for a good sounding unit that is fairly compatible with Naks. I have a portable Minidisc, but I'm looking for that analog sound, since I mostly listen to vinyl. Thanks. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BADANTH at aol.com Sun Nov 9 22:31:01 2003 From: BADANTH at aol.com (BADANTH at aol.com) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 16:31:01 EST Subject: [naktalk] I love my new (to me) RX-202E Message-ID: <197.223ae145.2ce00c15@aol.com> In a message dated 11/9/03 3:57:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, iaincmcghee at yahoo.com.au writes: > I finally own a Nakamichi deck! After lusting for one > in the 80's but never having a spare thousand dollars > I finally get one in 2003 - and it's the best cassette > deck I've heard. I'm sure there are better Naks, but > it beats the hell out of what I remember my friend's > top of the line Luxman deck produced in the 80's - so > I'm happy. Playing "Home of the Brave" by Laurie > Anderson, it easily sounds like CD, but warmer. Mind > you Laurie's recordings are always excellent quality, > and I AM listening to it through an Accuphase amp and > good monitors - but I have to say, the Nak gives me > better sound than my Rotel CD player (assuming the > recording is good) - more depth and presence. Bravo > Nakamichi - the 20 years was worth the wait. I know > once I get my Cary CD player that will change, but > it's still remarkable that a CASSETTE can give me > better sound than an entry level Rotel CD player from > '99, ten years after the Nak was bought by the first > owner! Oh, and I LOVE the UDAR, and the way the deck > senses that the recording has finished and ff to the > end. Must try some recording on it soon. > > http://personals.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Personals > New people, new possibilities. FREE for a limited time. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Sun Nov 9 22:10:35 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 08:10:35 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Portable Walkmans Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D25B@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Í own the Sony WM-7 (I think that's the model - don't have it with me at the moment). It is a fully metalic unit with a backlit remote control. I must admit this unit is not the best sounding I've heard but great in features. I don't use it much these days, I'm using minidisc for my portable music - tapes to minidisc sound great. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Scott Duncan [mailto:sad124 at wowway.com] Sent: Monday, 10 November 2003 2:27 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Portable Walkmans What portable walkmans, if any, does everyone use? I'm looking for a good sounding unit that is fairly compatible with Naks. I have a portable Minidisc, but I'm looking for that analog sound, since I mostly listen to vinyl. Thanks. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Sun Nov 9 22:59:24 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 08:59:24 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] two all time favorite vintage non-naks Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D25C@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> You're lucky your wife uses the Nak, my wife is simply afraid of the Naks and uses only the Sony CDP-X55ES CD player, oh well. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: neil lipes [mailto:neillipes628 at hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, 7 November 2003 10:46 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] two all time favorite vintage non-naks Tom: Back in the not to distant past, I had the cash to get a new Dragon, but purchased a 505 instead. My wife looked at the Dragon and said how will I work it!! I admit, it is somewhat intimidating to look at! I have never regretted the purchase of the "lesser Nak" Neil >From: Thomas Siomopoulos >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] two all time favourite vintage non-naks >Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 08:25:38 +1100 > >Yep, I certainly have one of these beauties. > >-----Original Message----- >From: neil lipes [mailto:neillipes628 at hotmail.com] >Sent: Thursday, 6 November 2003 11:47 >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] two all time favourite vintage non-naks > > >Any out there with RX-505's? > > > >From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.) > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: [naktalk] two all time favourite vintage non-naks > >Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 05:30:25 -0600 (CST) > > > >hi,although nothing could ever take the place of my RX-303,i did own two > >outstanding vintage non-naks that are long gone(excuse me while i give > >myself a good swift kick).One great deck was a JVC Digifine series deck > >with BEAUTIFUL wood sides and extreme clarity of sound > >-Gone(WAAAAHHH).Another was a Faboulus very Unique Pioneer Dual dubbing > >Deck Fully Loaded with every feature possible EVEN SOUND_ON_SOUND!And it > >was built like a halftrack.(WAAAAHHH,WAAHHH). > > > >thank you very much, > >gerald > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >_________________________________________________________________ >Is your computer infected with a virus? 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Take the FreeScan now! >http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ >From Beethoven to the Rolling Stones, your favorite music is always playing on MSN Radio Plus. No ads, no talk. Trial month FREE! http://join.msn.com/?page=offers/premiumradio ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From cvshanson at sprintmail.com Mon Nov 10 02:01:05 2003 From: cvshanson at sprintmail.com (Vernon T. Hanson) Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 19:01:05 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] RE: children of a lesser NAK In-Reply-To: <200311091100.hA9B0NkC004068@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: > Count me in for a couple of 500¹s (one is used in my office system), a couple > of 600¹s (one of each flavor) and 3 BX-1¹s. One of those is in our family > system, one is used in a audio rack that I rent out and the other is setting > around as backup (never needed). > > VideoVern -- Vern Hanson Custom Visual Services, Inc. 12812 16th Avenue Suite 100 Burnsville, MN 55337-3745 (952) 895-0565 (Office #) (612) 819-4295 (Nat. Cell #) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Mon Nov 10 01:18:25 2003 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 19:18:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] two all time favorite vintage non-naks Message-ID: Tom: I guess we two have that in common..I have that CD player..got it when my NaK 7A CD player went south. Neil >From: Thomas Siomopoulos >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] two all time favorite vintage non-naks >Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 08:59:24 +1100 > >You're lucky your wife uses the Nak, my wife is simply afraid of the Naks >and uses only the Sony CDP-X55ES CD player, oh well. > > Tom. > >-----Original Message----- >From: neil lipes [mailto:neillipes628 at hotmail.com] >Sent: Friday, 7 November 2003 10:46 >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] two all time favorite vintage non-naks > > >Tom: > >Back in the not to distant past, I had the cash to get a new Dragon, but >purchased a 505 instead. > >My wife looked at the Dragon and said how will I work it!! > >I admit, it is somewhat intimidating to look at! > >I have never regretted the purchase of the "lesser Nak" > >Neil > > > >From: Thomas Siomopoulos > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] two all time favourite vintage non-naks > >Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 08:25:38 +1100 > > > >Yep, I certainly have one of these beauties. > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: neil lipes [mailto:neillipes628 at hotmail.com] > >Sent: Thursday, 6 November 2003 11:47 > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] two all time favourite vintage non-naks > > > > > >Any out there with RX-505's? > > > > > > >From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.) > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: naktalk at naks.com > > >Subject: [naktalk] two all time favourite vintage non-naks > > >Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 05:30:25 -0600 (CST) > > > > > >hi,although nothing could ever take the place of my RX-303,i did own >two > > >outstanding vintage non-naks that are long gone(excuse me while i give > > >myself a good swift kick).One great deck was a JVC Digifine series deck > > >with BEAUTIFUL wood sides and extreme clarity of sound > > >-Gone(WAAAAHHH).Another was a Faboulus very Unique Pioneer Dual dubbing > > >Deck Fully Loaded with every feature possible EVEN SOUND_ON_SOUND!And >it > > >was built like a halftrack.(WAAAAHHH,WAAHHH). > > > > > >thank you very much, > > >gerald > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Is your computer infected with a virus? 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From thsinclair at localdial.com Mon Nov 10 00:45:34 2003 From: thsinclair at localdial.com (Sinclair Forrest) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 23:45:34 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Portable Walkmans References: <000801c3a6d5$dccb1f10$8bb30e45@VALUED20606295> Message-ID: <003e01c3a71b$94044810$1d8ee2c3@fredporter> Hi Scott Try to find a Sony WM6 Walkman Professional. Superb little machine. They come up on e-bay from time to time. I've had one for a few years and I really can't fault it. Regards, Sinclair ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Duncan To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 3:26 PM Subject: [naktalk] Portable Walkmans What portable walkmans, if any, does everyone use? I'm looking for a good sounding unit that is fairly compatible with Naks. I have a portable Minidisc, but I'm looking for that analog sound, since I mostly listen to vinyl. Thanks. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr Mon Nov 10 11:47:10 2003 From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:47:10 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: RX 550 References: <20031017174650.82B5C15E5A@vsnlbill.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <012e01c3a777$ff6dd240$1210a8c0@TG> Hi Kannan, Thanks for your all assistance. I have finally solved the problem with B&W at UK. They are incredibly slow but right address. Best to you, Tayfur ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 7:46 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: RX 550 > Hi > I can ask one of my friend who has a 480 which actually came to him in broken condition. He asked me to repair it but it has a very vital missing part The mechanism has missing take up spool hub and otherwise the wole thing can work as there are no other problem other than the holding plastic housing on to the main metal frame has broken and the mchanism is not firmly sitting on the base frame. This has all the parts ( the basic mechanism is same as RX505 and has all these screws plus lot more of belts / inside shutt off section and probably rubber idler etc - most probably it may not be required at all for your requirements but this guy would part withthe entire 480 for about 15$ ( he had wasted about 40-50 $ including shipping! He is pretty unlucky that the ebay seller had cheated him by sending this broken 480). The question is sending the whole thing may cost lot of money for shipping since you are in Turkey. So let me know how do you propose to approach this stuff? > This is one possibility if you do not have any other way! > kannan > > t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr wrote > Hi Kannan, > > I''m still not able to find those parts. > > Azimuth Alignment Screws (2 pieces) > Height Gears (2 pieces) > Height Gear Stopper (2 pieces) (Spring+stopper) > Height Adjust Screws (4 pieces) > > None of them seemed helpful. > > Still any possibility to find those parts; any help most welcomed! > > Thanks and best regards, > Tayfur > > > Hi Tayfur > > I was wondering whether you received my mail! > > Send mail to > > info at classic-nakamichi.com > > The company is in UK - called Bowers and Wilken and they are authorised > service center. Generally this item is very very difficult to get unless you > are pretty lucky. Secondly putting on this new screw needs new alignment of > the head - requires NAk gauge like head tilt gauge / track alignment tape/ > azimuth tape etc. However I know you are in great disadvantage as far as nak > service is concerned but screws atleast would help you to get it to some > shape. You can also try ES-labs in connecticut - Jeff Galin would eat you > alive with his quote for such a trivial thing. > > Also Transtec BV of netherland ( sercha their website on google you must > get it) > > Keep me posted of your development. > > kannan > > t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr wrote > > Hi Kannan, > > > > Thank you very mcuh for your valuable help; bad news is while adjusting > > head/rec screws some of them broken due to their age I think!!! > > > > I can not comment on accuracy of playback/recording of my deck at present. > > > > What I need urgently is following spare parts; I hope you can help me.. > > > > Azimuth Alignment Screws (2 pieces) > > Height Gears (2 pieces) > > Height Gear Stopper (2 pieces) (Spring+stopper) > > Height Adjust Screws (4 pieces) (= same as azimuth alignment screws?) > > > > Where can I find a reliable and fast supplier. As I'm going to give my > > credit card details they should be reliable and fast enough to supply > those > > parts to Turkey (Istanbul). Preferably a Eurepean service/supplier. > > > > I appreciate your valuable help. > > > > Thanks and ebst regards, > > Tayfur > > From khmerideth at anderson.edu Mon Nov 10 13:46:45 2003 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 07:46:45 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] children of a lesser NAK Message-ID: Amen! Preach it Brother! Kent Merideth >>> jerryjg at webtv.net 11/07/03 11:54PM >>> is it snobbery,or prudeishness...elitism or disdain,but i rarely see anyone "bother" with any Naks excpt the top of the mark dragons or other flagship 3 head NAK decks.Well,as the proud owner of an mint RX-303,let me say that we shall not be intimidated,and that "we shall overcome"!, 2 head NAKS need love too! thank you very much, gerald ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kjbleus at charter.net Mon Nov 10 14:14:27 2003 From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 07:14:27 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: ....lesser Naks??? Message-ID: <004e01c3a78c$91d4faa0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6> Greetings, My RX202 plays back some of the sweetest music to my ears. All recordings I do personally are done on my RX505 and ZX7. Opinion - Two headed Naks, although not quite dragons, can reporduce very excellent cassette recordings, depending on the quality of the source recording. Keeping your Naks in top performing shape requires fine tuningto bring Nak specifications. Even a three headed Nak, including the Dragon, can falter without maintaining optimum specifications. Of course, the finest recording results coming from well-maintained three headed Nak decks. Regards, Bleus de Nakker Madison, Wisc USA kjbleus at charter.net ------------------------------ Message: 1 Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 10:45:22 -0600 From: "Carlitos Jr." Subject: Re: [naktalk] children of a lesser NAK To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Message-ID: <002801c3a6e0$deaa6560$69773242 at coqui.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" My MR-2's blow away any non-nak deck, including those for pro-aplications. Carlos ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 23:01:59 +0000 From: "winnie pooh" Subject: Re: [naktalk] children of a lesser NAK To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Hi Gerry, I don't think it is snobbery, prudishness.elitism or disdain but rather most people here own more than one Nak and they only tend to discuss the 3 head Naks as they do sound better than the 2 heads. Of the 2 heads that I owned are the RX-202, the 480, BX150 and Cassette Deck 2. Of these, the RX202 was a beautiful piece of design, although not as good as the RX303 that you have or the RX505. The RX303 is indeed a very rare piece of 2 head dual capstan design which looks more like the 3 head RX505. For me, the space constraints meant that I eventually had to decide what stays and what goes, so I kept my 3 head Naks (CR-7, RX-505, BX300 and Cassette Deck 1.5) as well as the Cassette deck 2. Unfortunately the RX202, BX150 and 480 had to go :-( The 2 heads Nak were better than most other 3 heads from other Japanese manufacturers so they certainly "shall overcome" and " not be intimidated!" >>is it snobbery,or prudeishness...elitism or disdain,but i rarely see >>anyone "bother" with any Naks excpt the top of the mark dragons or other >>flagship 3 head NAK decks.Well,as the proud owner of an mint RX-303,let >>me say that we shall not be intimidated,and that "we shall overcome"!, 2 >>head NAKS need love too! >> >>thank you very much, >>gerald -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From khmerideth at anderson.edu Mon Nov 10 15:02:49 2003 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 09:02:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A Articles/Reviews Message-ID: Thanks Wouter! I have a slight problem with: http://www.naks.com/new/CR7_Stereo_Review_March_1986_P2.jpg It's the same as P3.jpg, which is page 56 of Stereo Review March 1986. Believe P2.jpg should be page 55 of the article. Is page 55 available? I have copies of two articles, two pages each, concerning the HX Pro record bias circuit history. The High Fidelity Trade News of October 1982, would have been while I was employed with Howard W. Sams, Inc., in Indianapolis, IN. Since this was not my magazine, the only copy I have is a photocopy. The Radio Electronics of March 1989, is a photocopy of my magazine article. Have not had time to try to scan them yet. These may require some work to eliminate "blead-through" of the image on the opposite side of the page being scanned. When I get a "round tuit", will forward the scanned pages. (Have a few "square tuits", which are for people that don't know what to do with a "round tuit", when they get one.) Thanks for all your efforts on these sites you have created and maintain! Kent Merideth >>> wheijke at xs4all.nl 11/07/03 05:05PM >>> I've put the CR-7 reviews online: http://www.naks.com/new/CR7_Audio_August_1986_Cover.jpg http://www.naks.com/new/CR7_Audio_August_1986_P1.jpg http://www.naks.com/new/CR7_Audio_August_1986_P2.jpg http://www.naks.com/new/CR7_Audio_August_1986_P3.jpg http://www.naks.com/new/CR7_Audio_August_1986_P4.jpg http://www.naks.com/new/CR7_Audio_August_1986_P5.jpg http://www.naks.com/new/CR7_Audio_August_1986_P6.jpg http://www.naks.com/new/CR7_HighFidelity_June_1986_Cover.jpg http://www.naks.com/new/CR7_HighFidelity_June_1986_P1.jpg http://www.naks.com/new/CR7_HighFidelity_June_1986_P2.jpg http://www.naks.com/new/CR7_HighFidelity_June_1986_P3.jpg http://www.naks.com/new/CR7_HighFidelity_June_1986_P4.jpg http://www.naks.com/new/CR7_Stereo_Review_March_1986_P1.jpg http://www.naks.com/new/CR7_Stereo_Review_March_1986_P2.jpg http://www.naks.com/new/CR7_Stereo_Review_March_1986_P3.jpg http://www.naks.com/new/CR7_Stereo_Review_March_1986_P4.jpg http://www.naks.com/new/CR7_Stereo_Review_March_1986_P5.jpg http://www.naks.com/new/CR7_Stereo_Review_March_1986_P6.jpg Enjoy and thank you Scott! Wouter Scott Duncan wrote: > Just wanted everyone to know, I'm in the process of sending these > articles to Wouter. 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URL: From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Mon Nov 10 13:04:00 2003 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 07:04:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Portable Walkmans Message-ID: I have one as well..since 1986..only replaced one trans. N >From: "Sinclair Forrest" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Portable Walkmans >Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 23:45:34 -0000 > >Hi Scott > >Try to find a Sony WM6 Walkman Professional. Superb little machine. They >come up on e-bay from time to time. I've had one for a few years and I >really can't fault it. > >Regards, >Sinclair > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Scott Duncan > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 3:26 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Portable Walkmans > > > What portable walkmans, if any, does everyone use? I'm looking for a >good sounding unit that is fairly compatible with Naks. I have a portable >Minidisc, but I'm looking for that analog sound, since I mostly listen to >vinyl. Thanks. > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger with backgrounds, emoticons and more. http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/cdp_customize From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Mon Nov 10 13:23:20 2003 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:23:20 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Portable Walkmans Message-ID: I quite like my Sony WM-DC2 walkman and the WM-D6C walkman professional, which can also record. The sound quality is comparable to a 2 head Nak at most, but not as good as the 3 head Naks. I haven't used the Nak 550 portable before but I think it is also highly recommended? _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool emoticons - download MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From ymj.lombard at wanadoo.fr Mon Nov 10 18:17:33 2003 From: ymj.lombard at wanadoo.fr (Lombard) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 18:17:33 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Problem on a Nak 670ZX - next chapter Message-ID: <001c01c3a7ae$883db780$3d563551@toto> Especially to Tom and Kannan, You were perfectly right and there is a problem with one of the pinch roller. Bravo! I checked the cassette during the week-end based on your recommendations. The Capstan Belt seems OK. When depressing play, as you suspected, only the right Pinch Roller - close to the Playback head - moves up to meet the Capstan. The left one - close to the Erase head - slighlty moves - but is far from reaching the Capstan. Since the area is not easily accessible, I couldn't figure out the cause of the problem. I'm not a specialist and before making a wrong move, may be someone can give me a clue on the way to proceed to try to fix the problem. If this were to come from the "hardened grease syndrone", what do you suggest? Thank's for your answer. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jerryjg at webtv.net Tue Nov 11 00:06:45 2003 From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 17:06:45 -0600 (CST) Subject: [naktalk] Portable high end cassete machine Message-ID: <11925-3FB01A05-1790@storefull-2233.public.lawson.webtv.net> Speaking of Portables,I was wondering about the older UHER portables.some were very expensive,anyone ever have one?they might be a good deal on e-bay as they are kind of obscure compared to SONY. thank you very much, gerald From khmerideth at anderson.edu Tue Nov 11 13:45:21 2003 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 07:45:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Portable Walkmans and Nak 550 Message-ID: Yes, the 550 is highly regarded, but not for personal mobile listening. It is quite large and heavy, for a portable deck. The shoulder strap is made from seatbelt webbing. Also, whenever a sharp turn is made, while walking, the torque applied to the drive motor causes very objectionable wow in playback, as well as record. There was a Yamaha portable deck of this vintage, which was not susceptible to this problem. It was slightly smaller and lighter, but still not in the same class of portability as the Sony Walkman units. Can highly recommend the 550 for allowed/encouraged "on-location" recordings, but not for "stealth" recordings. That would be the realm of the WM-D6C. Kent Merideth >>> winniepoohlove at hotmail.com 11/10/03 07:23AM >>> I quite like my Sony WM-DC2 walkman and the WM-D6C walkman professional, which can also record. The sound quality is comparable to a 2 head Nak at most, but not as good as the 3 head Naks. 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To: Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 3:06 PM Subject: [naktalk] Portable high end cassete machine > Speaking of Portables,I was wondering about the older UHER > portables.some were very expensive,anyone ever have one?they might be a > good deal on e-bay as they are kind of obscure compared to SONY. > > thank you very much, > gerald > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at comcast.net Tue Nov 11 13:48:43 2003 From: britri at comcast.net (Brian Stocker) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 04:48:43 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Portable Walkmans References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D25B@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <3FB0DAAB.3050206@comcast.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks in advance > for > any info. > > Tad > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr Wed Nov 12 12:21:15 2003 From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 13:21:15 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Fw: [nakmart] Nakamichi Pre-recorded Test tape Message-ID: <00b301c3a90f$170a2410$1210a8c0@TG> ----- Original Message ----- From: Tayfur Gunay To: Buy/sell/trade/share Nakamichi Cassette Deck related goods Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [nakmart] Nakamichi Pre-recorded Test tape Would suggest the tape(S) of Teac Group,other than BASF; reason is Teac provides two individual tapes; one for calibration tape (MTT356U $79.80) and another for alignment (MTT111N $28.00), while BASF does it on one tape only, @ $165.00. I think, Teac, both money&quality-wise, is preferable!!! Best to all. Tayfur ----- Original Message ----- From: GRRbiker at aol.com To: nakmart at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 12:26 AM Subject: Re: [nakmart] Nakamichi Pre-recorded Test tape You may be able to get a calibration tape that will work from one of the two sources listed below. MRL doesn't make Cassette Calibration tapes, either on open reel or in cassettes. Here are two other companies that will be able to help you: For BASF Calibration Tapes: JRF Magnetic Sciences 249 Kennedy Rd Greendell, NJ 07839 Tel +1 973 579 5773 email: jrf at jrfmagnetics.com Fax +1 973 579 6021 TEAC Corp Ms Ofelia Hernandez Sales Dept. 7733 Telegraph Road Montebello, CA 90640 Tel +1 323 727 4855 email: ohernandez at teac.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Nakmart at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/nakmart ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Nov 12 15:00:37 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 09:00:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Orange caps In-Reply-To: <164.2829008c.2ce2f28f@aol.com> References: <164.2829008c.2ce2f28f@aol.com> Message-ID: <3FB23D05.7050406@rcn.com> Briefly: these caps eventually fail. There is no exact set date for this to happen. When they do, the outcome depends on where the failed cap is in the circuit. Orange caps may be present -- or not -- in a deck, depending on what parts were on the production line when the specific deck was manufactured. The BX-300 and BX-125 *probably* contain them. The CR-1 and CR-2 *probably* do not (I just sold a CR-2 that had none, but Stephen says that some CR-2s do). -- Ron RTLehe at aol.com wrote: > I missed all but the tale end of the orange cap dialogue that took place > a few months ago. Would someone briefly state again what bad thing > happens when the caps go, the age at which this becomes a hazard, and > the models that are affected. Are my BX 300, BX125, CR1 and 2 > vulnerable? Thanks in advance for any info. > > Tad > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From vferdman at yahoo.com Wed Nov 12 19:03:16 2003 From: vferdman at yahoo.com (Vladimir Ferdman) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 10:03:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] New to the list, need advice Message-ID: <20031112180316.61467.qmail@web10412.mail.yahoo.com> Hello. I am new to the list. I have a general question that has probably been asked a million times and I apologize for that. I have owned only a BX-1 in the past that I got used from a used stereo place. I was not that impressed with it, frankly. Maybe because my expectations were very high as I knew then and I know now, NAK is king in tape, period. I had a NAK car deck (cassette) and it ruled. In fact, I still use it today as a garage stereo (bought a 12V power supply at Radio Shack and computer powered speakers with a sub as the deck is un-amped. Hey, it ain't much but it's mine). The BX-1, I think was way out of adjustment and has developed bad belts (I think, I am not a tech), so I got rid of it. Now I occasionally want to make tapes and play some of the old ones I have and the NAKs are much more affordable on the used market, so I decided to buy one. The question is which one? I want to spend as little as possible, like $100 to $150, so I am thinking something like LX-3 or LX-5. Any opinions on these? They seem very solid. I definitely want dual capstan and pad lifting for those Left for dead tapes. I am not sure if 3 heads is a priority. I once even heard somewhere that the playback is ever so slightly better on 2 head systems. Anyway, I see a lot of talk of RX-202, RX-505 and such, but have not seen a lot of comments on LX series. Can anyone give me a quick and informal rundown on the different series of NAKs? Sorry to be so ignorant. Also, which deck is least likely to need adjustment? TIA, Vladimir __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From Chris.Armbrust at tempus-inc.com Wed Nov 12 22:39:45 2003 From: Chris.Armbrust at tempus-inc.com (Chris Armbrust) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 16:39:45 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] DR3 CONTROL JACK Message-ID: DOES ANYONE HAVE THE PIN OUT AND THE CONTROL PROTOCOL FOR THE REAR PANEL CONTROL JACK ON THE DR3 TAPE DECK? 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THANK YOU, CHRIS ARMBRUST ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Nov 13 02:43:40 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:43:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] New to the list, need advice In-Reply-To: <20031112180316.61467.qmail@web10412.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031112180316.61467.qmail@web10412.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3FB2E1CC.5050701@rcn.com> Vladimir Ferdman wrote: > Hello. I am new to the list. I have a general question that has probably been asked a million > times and I apologize for that. I have owned only a BX-1 in the past that I got used from a used > stereo place. I was not that impressed with it, frankly. Maybe because my expectations were very > high as I knew then and I know now, NAK is king in tape, period. I had a NAK car deck (cassette) > and it ruled. In fact, I still use it today as a garage stereo (bought a 12V power supply at > Radio Shack and computer powered speakers with a sub as the deck is un-amped. Hey, it ain't much > but it's mine). The BX-1, I think was way out of adjustment and has developed bad belts (I think, > I am not a tech), so I got rid of it. Now I occasionally want to make tapes and play some of the > old ones I have and the NAKs are much more affordable on the used market, so I decided to buy one. > The question is which one? You can't go wrong with any Nak, each at its price point. > I want to spend as little as possible, like $100 to $150, so I am > thinking something like LX-3 or LX-5. Or BX-300, MR-1 or CR-3. But you will be happy with the LX decks as well. > Any opinions on these? They seem very solid. I definitely > want dual capstan and pad lifting for those Left for dead tapes. I am not sure if 3 heads is a > priority. I once even heard somewhere that the playback is ever so slightly better on 2 head > systems. That's BS. PB is definitely superior on 3 head machines, as is recording. An added advantage is the ability to monitor recordings off the tape. >Anyway, I see a lot of talk of RX-202, RX-505 and such, but have not seen a lot of > comments on LX series. Can anyone give me a quick and informal rundown on the different series of > NAKs? See http://Naks.com. There is a feature list for most, if not all, Nak models. > Sorry to be so ignorant. Also, which deck is least likely to need adjustment? They all do. But once a deck is well adjusted and gets an annual (or maybe even bi-annual) service, adjustments should last for quite a while. -- Ron > > TIA, > Vladimir From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Nov 13 12:35:47 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 22:35:47 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Portable Walkmans Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D26C@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> I've got it now, the WM-EX7! -----Original Message----- From: Brian Stocker [mailto:britri at comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, 11 November 2003 11:49 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Portable Walkmans Sony WMD 6-c ! Brian Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: Í own the Sony WM-7 (I think that's the model - don't have it with me at the moment). It is a fully metalic unit with a backlit remote control. I must admit this unit is not the best sounding I've heard but great in features. I don't use it much these days, I'm using minidisc for my portable music - tapes to minidisc sound great. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Scott Duncan [ mailto:sad124 at wowway.com ] Sent: Monday, 10 November 2003 2:27 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Portable Walkmans What portable walkmans, if any, does everyone use? I'm looking for a good sounding unit that is fairly compatible with Naks. I have a portable Minidisc, but I'm looking for that analog sound, since I mostly listen to vinyl. Thanks. _____ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Nov 13 12:50:06 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 22:50:06 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] two all time favorite vintage non-naks Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D271@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> I sigh every now and then when I think that my wife does not share the same interests :( -----Original Message----- From: neil lipes [mailto:neillipes628 at hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, 10 November 2003 11:18 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] two all time favorite vintage non-naks Tom: I guess we two have that in common..I have that CD player..got it when my NaK 7A CD player went south. Neil >From: Thomas Siomopoulos >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] two all time favorite vintage non-naks >Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 08:59:24 +1100 > >You're lucky your wife uses the Nak, my wife is simply afraid of the Naks >and uses only the Sony CDP-X55ES CD player, oh well. > > Tom. > >-----Original Message----- >From: neil lipes [mailto:neillipes628 at hotmail.com] >Sent: Friday, 7 November 2003 10:46 >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] two all time favorite vintage non-naks > > >Tom: > >Back in the not to distant past, I had the cash to get a new Dragon, but >purchased a 505 instead. > >My wife looked at the Dragon and said how will I work it!! > >I admit, it is somewhat intimidating to look at! > >I have never regretted the purchase of the "lesser Nak" > >Neil > > > >From: Thomas Siomopoulos > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] two all time favourite vintage non-naks > >Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 08:25:38 +1100 > > > >Yep, I certainly have one of these beauties. > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: neil lipes [mailto:neillipes628 at hotmail.com] > >Sent: Thursday, 6 November 2003 11:47 > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] two all time favourite vintage non-naks > > > > > >Any out there with RX-505's? > > > > > > >From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.) > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: naktalk at naks.com > > >Subject: [naktalk] two all time favourite vintage non-naks > > >Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 05:30:25 -0600 (CST) > > > > > >hi,although nothing could ever take the place of my RX-303,i did own >two > > >outstanding vintage non-naks that are long gone(excuse me while i give > > >myself a good swift kick).One great deck was a JVC Digifine series deck > > >with BEAUTIFUL wood sides and extreme clarity of sound > > >-Gone(WAAAAHHH).Another was a Faboulus very Unique Pioneer Dual dubbing > > >Deck Fully Loaded with every feature possible EVEN SOUND_ON_SOUND!And >it > > >was built like a halftrack.(WAAAAHHH,WAAHHH). > > > > > >thank you very much, > > >gerald > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Is your computer infected with a virus? 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No ads, no talk. Trial month FREE! >http://join.msn.com/?page=offers/premiumradio > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Great deals on high-speed Internet access as low as $26.95. https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.) ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Nov 13 13:25:49 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 23:25:49 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Problem on a Nak 670ZX - next chapter Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D272@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> The cause of the problem is that the grease that lubricates the pinch roller shaft hardens over time - normal I guess. To fix this can be very tricky, if you are not technically or analytically minded then do not try this. When this happened with my 680ZX I had to carefully remove the entire head block, then I removed the shaft that held the pinch roller arm and re-grease the shaft until it was back to normal. The hardest part was pulling the shaft out because it was so stiff from the grease. If you are up to it here's what to do. First carefully remove the front cover of the entire unit (remove knobs and screws). This next part I am I little cloudy with (it has been so long ago), you must remove the screws that hold the cassette door well to the tracks - I hope this makes sense. Once you have removed these screws you can loosen the door so you now have space. Locate the head block and find the two silver screws holding it in, now before you remove the screws grab hold of some cotton wool and tape it over the 3 heads - this is for head protection. Carefully remove the head block. Now this is the hard part. Try and remove the pinch roller arm slowly, this may take time, do it slowly and carefully. Once the pinch roller with the shaft is out then it is a matter of cleaning the shaft with some isopropyl alcohol and applying some lubricant. Now you may all think I'm crazy but I used Vaseline, by now you are all probably LOL but my 680ZX is still running strong. If anyone here in Nak land can suggest something better then that will be helpful. Now if you have got this far with out any probs, you can breathe easy. Insert the shaft back in and replace the head block taking note that there is a small notch on either side of the head block where the screws are, these have to be aligned in place. Study the head block and where it has to sit and you will know what I'm talking about. Put the screws back in and carefully put the door back on. At this point you can turn the power on and with no cassette in the unit press play (oh BTW, you can remove the cotton wool too at this point), if the pinch roller is moving up together with the right one - WELL DONE! Put the front cover back on. One final thing, there is a good chance that the pinch roller is not in proper alignment - that is the tape guides attached on the pinch roller is not in the right place. To test this grab a ordinary tape (sacrificial tape), and record some music on it, flip the tape over and press play, if you can hear your recording backwards then you need to do some adjusting. The screw you need to adjust is right on top of the shaft that is holding the pinch roller you just repaired (white plastic screw). The best tape to use for adjusting is one with a clear transparent shell. The way I did it was to look at the tape while it was travelling in the play mode and align it with the erase head, in other words the edge of the tape was parallel with the edge of the erase head. Repeat the record process until no recording is heard on the second side. Well that's about it, man I hope this makes sense. Regards, Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Lombard [mailto:ymj.lombard at wanadoo.fr] Sent: Tuesday, 11 November 2003 4:18 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Problem on a Nak 670ZX - next chapter Especially to Tom and Kannan, You were perfectly right and there is a problem with one of the pinch roller. Bravo! I checked the cassette during the week-end based on your recommendations. The Capstan Belt seems OK. When depressing play, as you suspected, only the right Pinch Roller - close to the Playback head - moves up to meet the Capstan. The left one - close to the Erase head - slighlty moves - but is far from reaching the Capstan. Since the area is not easily accessible, I couldn't figure out the cause of the problem. I'm not a specialist and before making a wrong move, may be someone can give me a clue on the way to proceed to try to fix the problem. If this were to come from the "hardened grease syndrone", what do you suggest? Thank's for your answer. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr Fri Nov 14 13:25:30 2003 From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:25:30 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Orange caps References: <164.2829008c.2ce2f28f@aol.com> <3FB23D05.7050406@rcn.com> Message-ID: <004801c3aaaa$655ad640$1210a8c0@TG> Has anyone replaced the orange caps in RX505-ZX9/7,CR7, or Dragon??? which one from the link below is the most suitable, any idea ??? http://store.yahoo.com/triodeel/capacitors.html thanks and regards, Tayfur ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 4:00 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Orange caps > > Briefly: these caps eventually fail. There is no exact > set date for this to happen. When they do, the outcome > depends on where the failed cap is in the circuit. > > Orange caps may be present -- or not -- in a deck, > depending on what parts were on the production line > when the specific deck was manufactured. The BX-300 > and BX-125 *probably* contain them. The CR-1 and CR-2 > *probably* do not (I just sold a CR-2 that had none, > but Stephen says that some CR-2s do). > > -- Ron > > > RTLehe at aol.com wrote: > > I missed all but the tale end of the orange cap dialogue that took place > > a few months ago. Would someone briefly state again what bad thing > > happens when the caps go, the age at which this becomes a hazard, and > > the models that are affected. Are my BX 300, BX125, CR1 and 2 > > vulnerable? Thanks in advance for any info. > > > > Tad > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From vferdman at yahoo.com Fri Nov 14 19:23:48 2003 From: vferdman at yahoo.com (Vladimir Ferdman) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 10:23:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] KYOCERA D-811 Message-ID: <20031114182348.73914.qmail@web10412.mail.yahoo.com> Hello. Can anyone tell me about the KYOCERA D-811 deck? I see it in the "Third Party" section of the NAKs, but now nothing else about it. Was it manufactured by Nakamichi? Is it a good deck to get if I am looking for a NAK? Is it a "real" NAK, in other words? Thanks! Vladimir __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri Nov 14 20:23:33 2003 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 11:23:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Orange caps In-Reply-To: <004801c3aaaa$655ad640$1210a8c0@TG> Message-ID: <20031114192333.2951.qmail@web40409.mail.yahoo.com> That guy has a very small selection of caps. I suggest you order from Digikey or someone similar who has a decent selection of polyester caps. The Panasonic ECQ-B series is a good replacement. Check out my web page for a list of common problems with Nak tape decks and their solutions. http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html Scott J. --- Tayfur Gunay wrote: > Has anyone replaced the orange caps in > RX505-ZX9/7,CR7, or Dragon??? > > which one from the link below is the most suitable, > any idea ??? > > http://store.yahoo.com/triodeel/capacitors.html > > thanks and regards, > Tayfur > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 4:00 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Orange caps > > > > > > Briefly: these caps eventually fail. There is no > exact > > set date for this to happen. When they do, the > outcome > > depends on where the failed cap is in the circuit. > > > > Orange caps may be present -- or not -- in a deck, > > depending on what parts were on the production > line > > when the specific deck was manufactured. The > BX-300 > > and BX-125 *probably* contain them. The CR-1 and > CR-2 > > *probably* do not (I just sold a CR-2 that had > none, > > but Stephen says that some CR-2s do). > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > RTLehe at aol.com wrote: > > > I missed all but the tale end of the orange cap > dialogue that took place > > > a few months ago. Would someone briefly state > again what bad thing > > > happens when the caps go, the age at which this > becomes a hazard, and > > > the models that are affected. Are my BX 300, > BX125, CR1 and 2 > > > vulnerable? Thanks in advance for any info. > > > > > > Tad > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From jerryjg at webtv.net Sun Nov 16 03:51:42 2003 From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 20:51:42 -0600 (CST) Subject: [naktalk] house ac current to the NAK Message-ID: <8492-3FB6E63E-1269@storefull-2232.public.lawson.webtv.net> hi,i was wondering about your standard ac current straight out of the outlet.arent there bad things that can happen to my nak by power surges,spikes,voltage fluctuationsand what else?ive got a massive multi-outlet power filter designed for a computer network .i am considering using for my NAK.good idea?do you think it will actually make an audible difference,the clean filtered stable current? thank you very much, gerald From teao1252 at yahoo.com Sun Nov 16 06:24:45 2003 From: teao1252 at yahoo.com (Edward Thurmond) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 21:24:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] I need the address of repair facility Message-ID: <20031116052445.60396.qmail@web13603.mail.yahoo.com> I have a Nakamichi Dragon that needs to be repaired. It was purchased new. The deck has less than 20hrs on it. However it was in storage for several years, and the absence of a climate control environment has taken its toll. If you could provide me with the address of a repair facility, it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for your assistance. Sincerely E Thurmond --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ti at amb.org Sun Nov 16 11:53:50 2003 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 02:53:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] house ac current to the NAK In-Reply-To: <8492-3FB6E63E-1269@storefull-2232.public.lawson.webtv.net> from "Gerald G." at Nov 15, 2003 08:51:42 PM Message-ID: <200311161053.KAA13326@amb.org> Gerald G. writes: > hi,i was wondering about your standard ac current straight out of the > outlet.arent there bad things that can happen to my nak by power > surges,spikes,voltage fluctuationsand what else?ive got a massive > multi-outlet power filter designed for a computer network .i am > considering using for my NAK.good idea?do you think it will actually > make an audible difference,the clean filtered stable current? Within an audio component, the power transformer steps down the AC mains to a lower voltage and then converts it to DC using rectifiers and capacitors. Most audio gear (with the notable exception of power amps, especially their output stages) additionally have built-in DC voltage regulators that clean up the DC so it's relatively noise-free, and could handle a fair amount of AC mains fluctuation without ill effects. However surges and spikes are real hazards that could damage equipment (for example, during power brownouts or electrical storms). Computer grade power line filters (which typically are passive devices consisting of inductors, capacitors and varistors) should work well with most audio gear except power amps, where the instantaneous power demands on the AC line may exceed the ratings of the filter. As for whether you'd actually hear an improvement in the sound during normal operation, it depends a lot on the internal regulation of the gear in question. For a Nak cassette deck I'd recommend a power line filter, but more for safety reasons. I haven't carefully compared, but my guess that actual sonic improvements would be quite minimal. There are some audiophiles out there who swear by dedicated and expensive audio-grade power line conditioners (these are far beyond the computer grade "filters", but are rather high current active synthesizers of low distortion and low noise AC waveforms), and while I agree that they certainly wouldn't hurt, but may be overkill in most installations. What I wouldn't recommend with audio gear are computer-grade UPS units (uninterruptable power supplies). Many of these produce a high distortion AC output that may be irrelevant for computers, but are not suitable for audio use. -Ti -- R 1 3 5 Ti Kan |_|_|_| http://www.amb.org/ti | | | Vorsprung durch Technik 2 4 6 From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Sun Nov 16 17:42:21 2003 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 11:42:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] I need the address of repair facility Message-ID: Call Jeff at EC Service, in Weathersfield, Conn...repairing NAKS for over 20 yrs. Neil >From: Edward Thurmond >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] I need the address of repair facility >Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 21:24:45 -0800 (PST) > >I have a Nakamichi Dragon that needs to be repaired. It was purchased new. >The deck has less than 20hrs on it. However it was in storage for several >years, and the absence of a climate control environment has taken its toll. >If you could provide me with the address of a repair facility, it would be >greatly appreciated. Thanks for your assistance. > >Sincerely E Thurmond > > > > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? >Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Is your computer infected with a virus? Find out with a FREE computer virus scan from McAfee. Take the FreeScan now! http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From iaincmcghee at yahoo.com.au Mon Nov 17 05:32:20 2003 From: iaincmcghee at yahoo.com.au (=?iso-8859-1?q?Iain=20McGhee?=) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 15:32:20 +1100 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] Should I turn my Nak off? Message-ID: <20031117043220.28724.qmail@web40608.mail.yahoo.com> Should I leave my RX 202 on all the time, will there be sonic improvement? I haven't noticed any personally, but possibly others have. Will my Nak stay in tip-top condition (ie last longer) left on, or switched off? Thanks if anyone knows/has experience. Iain http://personals.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Personals New people, new possibilities. FREE for a limited time. From AReynolds2001 at hotmail.com Mon Nov 17 20:30:10 2003 From: AReynolds2001 at hotmail.com (Andrew Reynolds) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 12:30:10 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Help!! Message-ID: I have an auto reverse, or flip out two head deck that seems to have decided to not work. I need service but want excellent service. I do not trust the people in my area. Shipping is what I have to do. The decks play, pause, and rewind just blinks at me. It will not play very often Help. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From britri at comcast.net Mon Nov 17 19:12:21 2003 From: britri at comcast.net (Brian Stocker) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 10:12:21 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] house ac current to the NAK References: <200311161053.KAA13326@amb.org> Message-ID: <3FB90F85.3030803@comcast.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Nov 17 22:12:23 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 08:12:23 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Help!! Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D281@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Sorry - I pressed the send button a little early. If your model is the RX202 then it will be the cam control mechanism contacts. If you open your unit and have a look, you will notice on your mechanism there will be a motor and three metal contact arms, now the problem may lie with the motor not turning in which case you can try and assist it a little by pushing it yourself or the contacts are a little dirty and may need cleaning. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Reynolds [mailto:AReynolds2001 at hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, 18 November 2003 6:30 To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: casperdowlen at hotmail.com Subject: [naktalk] Help!! I have an auto reverse, or flip out two head deck that seems to have decided to not work. I need service but want excellent service. I do not trust the people in my area. Shipping is what I have to do. The decks play, pause, and rewind just blinks at me. 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URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Nov 18 00:48:01 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 23:48:01 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000e01c3ad65$3caed9e0$05914c51@oemcomputer> Angel The CR7, CR7A and CR7E are identical machines except the CR7A accepts only 110-120v power, the CR7E accepts 220-240v and the CR7 is usually switchable between different voltages. Assuming you are in the States, for parts try Tel: 310-392-1155 Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Angel W. Ricano Sent: 17 November 2003 17:32 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Hello everybody, Can anybody tell me the difference between the CR-7 and the CR-7A even sonacally. Are this decks better sonacally than the DR-2. Also can anybody send me a phone number where I can order parts for Nak decks. Thanks, Angel --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. 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Some would say THE best but when you get to the machines at the top of the food chain I think the differences in sound becomes so close as to be rather a subjective judgement! However, a badly serviced CR7 can sound awful and could easily be beaten by a well serviced DR2 !! Or to use the motor vehicle analogy, a single cylinder Trabant is a mightly smoky and noisy motor car that sounds like it ought to be cutting grass rather than carrying passengers on the highway. But if it's running, it'll still sound a lot sweeter than a Rolls Royce with a busted big-end!!! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Angel W. Ricano Sent: 17 November 2003 17:32 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Hello everybody, Can anybody tell me the difference between the CR-7 and the CR-7A even sonacally. Are this decks better sonacally than the DR-2. Also can anybody send me a phone number where I can order parts for Nak decks. Thanks, Angel --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.541 / Virus Database: 335 - Release Date: 14/11/03 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ti at amb.org Tue Nov 18 00:25:10 2003 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 15:25:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 In-Reply-To: from "Angel W. Ricano" at Nov 17, 2003 12:32:02 PM Message-ID: <200311172325.XAA23835@amb.org> Angel W. Ricano writes: > Can anybody tell me the difference between the CR-7 and the CR-7A even = > sonacally. Are this decks better sonacally than the DR-2. Also can = > anybody send me a phone number where I can order parts for Nak decks. The CR-7, CR-7A and CR-7E are all basically the same. The A suffix is the American market model, the E suffix for Europe. The difference is in the AC power requirements (and whether it's switchable). The CR-7 is a slightly older but higher-end model than the DR-2. -Ti -- R 1 3 5 Ti Kan |_|_|_| http://www.amb.org/ti | | | Vorsprung durch Technik 2 4 6 From ti at amb.org Tue Nov 18 01:08:35 2003 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 16:08:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 In-Reply-To: <001301c3ad67$059b33c0$05914c51@oemcomputer> from "Nelson" at Nov 18, 2003 12:00:48 AM Message-ID: <200311180008.AAA24192@amb.org> Nelson writes: > However, a badly serviced CR7 can sound awful and could easily be beaten by > a well serviced DR2 !! Or to use the motor vehicle analogy, a single > cylinder Trabant is a mightly smoky and noisy motor car that sounds like it > ought to be cutting grass rather than carrying passengers on the highway. > But if it's running, it'll still sound a lot sweeter than a Rolls Royce with > a busted big-end!!! Not that the DR-2 is to be compared with a Trabant, of course :-) -Ti -- R 1 3 5 Ti Kan |_|_|_| http://www.amb.org/ti | | | Vorsprung durch Technik 2 4 6 From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Tue Nov 18 05:29:22 2003 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 23:29:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Message-ID: Nelson: How does the RX-505 rate as compaired with the CR-7/A/or/Dragon? In all areas? Neil >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7 >Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 00:00:48 -0000 > >I forgot to answer your question re: DR2 versus CR7 ... > >If both are in prime condition/recently serviced by an experienced engineer >with all the correct Nakamichi test tapes, etc., the CR7 is the better >sonically, both in terms of recording and playback. That is not to decry >the DR2; however, the CR7 was probably one of the very best cassette decks >ever made by any manufacturer. Some would say THE best but when you get to >the machines at the top of the food chain I think the differences in sound >becomes so close as to be rather a subjective judgement! > >However, a badly serviced CR7 can sound awful and could easily be beaten by >a well serviced DR2 !! Or to use the motor vehicle analogy, a single >cylinder Trabant is a mightly smoky and noisy motor car that sounds like it >ought to be cutting grass rather than carrying passengers on the highway. >But if it's running, it'll still sound a lot sweeter than a Rolls Royce >with >a busted big-end!!! > >Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf >Of Angel W. Ricano > Sent: 17 November 2003 17:32 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 > > > Hello everybody, > Can anybody tell me the difference between the CR-7 and the CR-7A even >sonacally. Are this decks better sonacally than the DR-2. Also can >anybody >send me a phone number where I can order parts for Nak decks. > Thanks, > Angel >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.541 / Virus Database: 335 - Release Date: 14/11/03 >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Frustrated with dial-up? Get high-speed for as low as $26.95. https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.) From 75541.100 at compuserve.com Tue Nov 18 18:56:22 2003 From: 75541.100 at compuserve.com (compudude) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 12:56:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Message-ID: <200311181256_MC3-1-5AD8-C620@compuserve.com> Graham, There is also CR70 for the Japanese market with 100V supply. Is this the phone number of nakamichi service in Torrance CA? Their e-mail (service at nakamichi.com) is no longer valid. Thanks, _Fuad Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com > Angel The CR7, CR7A and CR7E are identical machines except the CR7A accepts only 110-120v power, the CR7E accepts 220-240v and the CR7 is usually switchable between different voltages. Assuming you are in the States, for parts try Tel: 310-392-1155 Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Angel W. Ricano Sent: 17 November 2003 17:32 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Hello everybody, Can anybody tell me the difference between the CR-7 and the CR-7A even sonacally. Are this decks better sonacally than the DR-2. Also can anybody send me a phone number where I can order parts for Nak decks. Thanks, Angel --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.541 / Virus Database: 335 - Release Date: 14/11/03 < From Flyingicarus2003 at aol.com Wed Nov 19 05:08:07 2003 From: Flyingicarus2003 at aol.com (Flyingicarus2003 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 23:08:07 EST Subject: [naktalk] cd player 2 music bank Message-ID: <9.1c9e5d48.2cec46a7@aol.com> hi i have a nakamichi cd player 2 music bank. the tray does not open when switch pressed to open the tray - i can only open it if i get my nail under the tray and pull it open after pressing the button - i can hear it trying to open so to speak. i heard that the nak cd players jam - do you know if there is any easy fix to this problem? thank you -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Tue Nov 18 17:05:57 2003 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 11:05:57 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Message-ID: Ti: Looks like you have two more gears than my blown Avanti...shame on you. ;) Neil >From: Ti Kan >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7 >Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 16:08:35 -0800 (PST) > >Nelson writes: > > However, a badly serviced CR7 can sound awful and could easily be beaten >by > > a well serviced DR2 !! Or to use the motor vehicle analogy, a single > > cylinder Trabant is a mightly smoky and noisy motor car that sounds like >it > > ought to be cutting grass rather than carrying passengers on the >highway. > > But if it's running, it'll still sound a lot sweeter than a Rolls Royce >with > > a busted big-end!!! > >Not that the DR-2 is to be compared with a Trabant, of course :-) > >-Ti >-- > R 1 3 5 Ti Kan > |_|_|_| http://www.amb.org/ti > | | | Vorsprung durch Technik > 2 4 6 >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ MSN Shopping upgraded for the holidays! Snappier product search... http://shopping.msn.com From sandorpistike at hotmail.com Tue Nov 18 09:43:07 2003 From: sandorpistike at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?S=E1ndor_Istv=E1n?=) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 09:43:07 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 References: <001301c3ad67$059b33c0$05914c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: Hello all, I am a "silent" participate on the list for long time... There are many usable and valuable information here, but in this case I must correct you (though off-topic): The TRABANT has not a single-cylinder, but a twin-cylinder car. Some 600ccm, and 26HP. That's all. Hope you are going to keep this nice forum alive. Thank you! István (form Hungary, a country with STILL MANY running TRABANTs... :-) ) ----- Original Message ----- From: Nelson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 1:00 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7 I forgot to answer your question re: DR2 versus CR7 ... If both are in prime condition/recently serviced by an experienced engineer with all the correct Nakamichi test tapes, etc., the CR7 is the better sonically, both in terms of recording and playback. That is not to decry the DR2; however, the CR7 was probably one of the very best cassette decks ever made by any manufacturer. Some would say THE best but when you get to the machines at the top of the food chain I think the differences in sound becomes so close as to be rather a subjective judgement! However, a badly serviced CR7 can sound awful and could easily be beaten by a well serviced DR2 !! Or to use the motor vehicle analogy, a single cylinder Trabant is a mightly smoky and noisy motor car that sounds like it ought to be cutting grass rather than carrying passengers on the highway. But if it's running, it'll still sound a lot sweeter than a Rolls Royce with a busted big-end!!! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Angel W. Ricano Sent: 17 November 2003 17:32 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Hello everybody, Can anybody tell me the difference between the CR-7 and the CR-7A even sonacally. Are this decks better sonacally than the DR-2. Also can anybody send me a phone number where I can order parts for Nak decks. Thanks, Angel ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr Tue Nov 18 14:00:30 2003 From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 15:00:30 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 References: Message-ID: <01a701c3add4$00480de0$1210a8c0@TG> Any experimental comments to this question??? RX-505 vs CR7 or Dragon, in recording respect??? We all know Dragon & 505 used the same refined electronics not so much complicated (as in ZX7 & 9) but efficient???. Tayfur ----- Original Message ----- From: "neil lipes" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 6:29 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7 > Nelson: > > How does the RX-505 rate as compaired with the CR-7/A/or/Dragon? > > In all areas? > > Neil > > > >From: "Nelson" > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7 > >Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 00:00:48 -0000 > > > >I forgot to answer your question re: DR2 versus CR7 ... > > > >If both are in prime condition/recently serviced by an experienced engineer > >with all the correct Nakamichi test tapes, etc., the CR7 is the better > >sonically, both in terms of recording and playback. That is not to decry > >the DR2; however, the CR7 was probably one of the very best cassette decks > >ever made by any manufacturer. Some would say THE best but when you get to > >the machines at the top of the food chain I think the differences in sound > >becomes so close as to be rather a subjective judgement! > > > >However, a badly serviced CR7 can sound awful and could easily be beaten by > >a well serviced DR2 !! Or to use the motor vehicle analogy, a single > >cylinder Trabant is a mightly smoky and noisy motor car that sounds like it > >ought to be cutting grass rather than carrying passengers on the highway. > >But if it's running, it'll still sound a lot sweeter than a Rolls Royce > >with > >a busted big-end!!! > > > >Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > >Behalf > >Of Angel W. Ricano > > Sent: 17 November 2003 17:32 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 > > > > > > Hello everybody, > > Can anybody tell me the difference between the CR-7 and the CR-7A even > >sonacally. Are this decks better sonacally than the DR-2. Also can > >anybody > >send me a phone number where I can order parts for Nak decks. > > Thanks, > > Angel > >--- > >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >Version: 6.0.541 / Virus Database: 335 - Release Date: 14/11/03 > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > _________________________________________________________________ > Frustrated with dial-up? Get high-speed for as low as $26.95. > https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.) > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From RTLehe at aol.com Tue Nov 18 15:45:20 2003 From: RTLehe at aol.com (RTLehe at aol.com) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 09:45:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Is this pretty much how to rank the various Naks? Message-ID: <25CA84AE.2C9E3C00.0004E774@aol.com> Please forgive me, but I am a philosophy professor, and as such, have difficulty dealing with long lists of disparate particulars. I need patterns and general principles. So please tell me if I have got this straight. As I have discerned, the Naks can be broken down as follows, in ascending order of quality: 1. Recent two-head models with sendust heads and single capstan tranport. BX, CR, DR. 2. Older two-head models with crystal heads and single capstan transport. 500 3. Older two-head models with crystal heads and dual capstan transport. 480 et.al. 4. Basic three-head models, with dual capstan transport, pad lifter. Within this group some might distinguish older and more recent models in terms of transport quality. BX300, CR3,DR2 5. Three-head models with "optimizers". Dual capstan, pad lifter, plus optimizers such as azimuth adjustment, bias and level adjustment. (may be either automatic or manual) Dragon, CR7, DR1 Other factors: Dolby C, auto-reverse, degrees of sophistication, complexity, and flixibility of optimizers What have I left out? Tad From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Nov 18 16:23:50 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 10:23:50 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] house ac current to the NAK In-Reply-To: <3FB90F85.3030803@comcast.net> References: <200311161053.KAA13326@amb.org> <3FB90F85.3030803@comcast.net> Message-ID: <3FBA3986.3040208@rcn.com> Brian Stocker wrote: > Dear Ti, Ron, audiotalkers, > > Thank you for that intelligent discussion on power. > > May I ask you another question? > > When I turn up the volume on my system, the lights flicker with the > current demands. I do not detect any degradation of sound but, I think > it is odd given the huge power supply of my mac mc2600 600/wpc amp > > My speakers are 8 ohm but their sensitivity is only 86 db so I do push > the amp pretty hard and the power guard lites have even flashed a few > times!. If your lights actually dim in concert with the music, your line power system is woefully inadequate. I would even have some safety concerns. Repairing this in the average frame house is pretty expensive. I used to have a similar problem, though not as serious. My lights used to dim when the A/C kicked in... If the system was playing at the time, sound would disappear for 10 seconds or so and the TV screen would blank fro even longer. Eventually, I renovated the whole room. This entailed pulling in all walls and replacing them with 5/8" sheet rock plus lots of insulation. While the walls were open, I replaced every blessed piece of wire with shrouded 12AWG wire. At the same time, I ran a separate 20A line to a dedicated circuit breaker in the main electrical panel. This completely solved the problem. As I said, this kind of solution is pretty expensive. What you can easily and cheaply do, is replace all affected outlets with new ones, at the same time shortening the wires by 1/2" or so. Where junctions are accessible, redo the connections. If outlets and connections are a sizable portion of the problem, this will bring relief. You may wish to use a 20A rated outlet for the sound system (15A rating is adequate for the others). If this doesn't help, it is possible that your problem stems from other, inaccessible junctions in the house. The next easiest solution is to add a circuit breaker and string a dedicated line from the main electrical panel to the A/V system. Not very cheap, but worth considering. Good luck, -- Ron > btw, I want to thank everybody for the help on understanding balanced > interconnection. My far away amp with a balanced run and 6 foot speaker > cables sounds incredibly better than before, however we changed the > entire house from wall to wall carpet to tile. What a difference and I > am not sure if it is good or bad. > > Thanks > > Brian > > > > Ti Kan wrote: > >>Gerald G. writes: >> >> >>>hi,i was wondering about your standard ac current straight out of the >>>outlet.arent there bad things that can happen to my nak by power >>>surges,spikes,voltage fluctuationsand what else?ive got a massive >>>multi-outlet power filter designed for a computer network .i am >>>considering using for my NAK.good idea?do you think it will actually >>>make an audible difference,the clean filtered stable current? >>> >>> >> >>Within an audio component, the power transformer steps down the AC mains >>to a lower voltage and then converts it to DC using rectifiers and >>capacitors. Most audio gear (with the notable exception of power amps, >>especially their output stages) additionally have built-in DC voltage >>regulators that clean up the DC so it's relatively noise-free, and could >>handle a fair amount of AC mains fluctuation without ill effects. However >>surges and spikes are real hazards that could damage equipment (for >>example, during power brownouts or electrical storms). Computer grade >>power line filters (which typically are passive devices consisting of >>inductors, capacitors and varistors) should work well with most audio >>gear except power amps, where the instantaneous power demands on the >>AC line may exceed the ratings of the filter. As for whether you'd >>actually hear an improvement in the sound during normal operation, it >>depends a lot on the internal regulation of the gear in question. >>For a Nak cassette deck I'd recommend a power line filter, but more for >>safety reasons. I haven't carefully compared, but my guess that actual >>sonic improvements would be quite minimal. >> >>There are some audiophiles out there who swear by dedicated and expensive >>audio-grade power line conditioners (these are far beyond the computer >>grade "filters", but are rather high current active synthesizers of low >>distortion and low noise AC waveforms), and while I agree that they >>certainly wouldn't hurt, but may be overkill in most installations. >> >>What I wouldn't recommend with audio gear are computer-grade UPS units >>(uninterruptable power supplies). Many of these produce a high distortion >>AC output that may be irrelevant for computers, but are not suitable for >>audio use. >> >>-Ti >> >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From tanya at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Nov 18 21:27:26 2003 From: tanya at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Tanya Nelson) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 20:27:26 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 In-Reply-To: <200311180008.AAA24192@amb.org> Message-ID: <000001c3ae12$6208e3e0$4c7b893e@oemcomputer> > > Not that the DR-2 is to be compared with a Trabant, of course :-) > > -Ti > -- > Heh! Heh! Indeed not! :o) --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.541 / Virus Database: 335 - Release Date: 14/11/03 From tanya at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Nov 18 21:27:29 2003 From: tanya at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Tanya Nelson) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 20:27:29 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000101c3ae12$638af000$4c7b893e@oemcomputer> Judging by the comments of others on this site I think you'd find the Dragon and CR-7 beat ... just ... the RX-505 on replay, with the dragon possibly being ahead of the CR-7 in this respect, too. Ditto for recording only the CR-7 would probably just pip the Dragon. However, the RX-505 IS fine machine and, to my eyes, is probably the most aesthetically pleasing and intriguing of ALL Nakamichi decks. Watching it working in the dark, switching around a cassette to play the next side ... thrills the boy in any man who owns one.... not that I own one any more. (Indeed, I sold the one I did own ever before I saw it! Well, when one has the chance to make a few bob ...) Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of neil lipes > Sent: 18 November 2003 04:29 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7 > > > Nelson: > > How does the RX-505 rate as compared with the CR-7/A/or/Dragon? > > In all areas? > > Neil > > > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.541 / Virus Database: 335 - Release Date: 14/11/03 From stan.targowski at comcast.net Wed Nov 19 05:28:26 2003 From: stan.targowski at comcast.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 22:28:26 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: RX-505 and Dragon are both AutoReverse Decks. One of key objectives of Nakamichi engineers has always been a perfect tape azymuth. How to achieve this in an autoreverse deck? Typical Sony's and JVC's of the time would flip the head, which could violate the azymuth. Nakamichi's response was two-fold... The one used in RX-202/303/505 was to have heads be fixed as in a unidirectional deck, and to have a mechanism to flip the cassette. This has created a great visual impact. Even with no sound, RX-505 is fun to watch flipping the tape. I do not recall anbody else utilizing this approach. The one used in dragon, was to flip the heads, but have an extra motor to continuosly adjust the azymuth. This is a much costlier approach, but also giving an additional benefit of auto adjusting to tapes recorded on other decks, without azymuth perfectly matching your deck. This is a more complex approach, and I think only Marantz also tried to do something like that in the past. CR-7 is a purist's, unidirectional deck. As to which one sounds better Dragon or a CR-7, this is the $64,000 question. You ask two people, and get three answers. Both CR-7 and Dragon have full tape calibration facilities, whilst RX-505 has simple bias trim. >From the "COOL" factor perspective, RX-505 can be a winner. From a purist's perspective, CR-7 and Dragon are better sounding decks, which you can calibrate to any tape type. (Assuming that all are in the same working condition, i.e., read the thread about the CR7 and DR-2, and the analogy to busted Rolls and Trabant ...) I think the proper car analogy would be in Mercedes line, E-320 4-Matic (RX-505), E-55 (CR-7), and S-500 4-Matic (Dragon). If you can answer this question, you can figure out your Nak question. The E-55 will be the best handling car, and the quickest car - in the summer. If you need to drive it in Chicago in winter (read: if you need auto-reverse), you need all-wheel drive. You can either go with the mid-size E-320 or all the way to S-500 4-matic. E-320 will get the job done. E-500 will add all the bell and whistles auto-industry can offer. (S600 - they do not make these in 4-matic, and this would still be N1000ZXL - at least IMHO). Stan P.S. - as an aside, I just learned that there is a 12-18 month waiting list for the E-55 in the US ... In this economy? -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of neil lipes Sent: Mon, November 17, 2003 10:29 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7 Nelson: How does the RX-505 rate as compaired with the CR-7/A/or/Dragon? In all areas? Neil >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7 >Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 00:00:48 -0000 > >I forgot to answer your question re: DR2 versus CR7 ... > >If both are in prime condition/recently serviced by an experienced engineer >with all the correct Nakamichi test tapes, etc., the CR7 is the better >sonically, both in terms of recording and playback. That is not to decry >the DR2; however, the CR7 was probably one of the very best cassette decks >ever made by any manufacturer. Some would say THE best but when you get to >the machines at the top of the food chain I think the differences in sound >becomes so close as to be rather a subjective judgement! > >However, a badly serviced CR7 can sound awful and could easily be beaten by >a well serviced DR2 !! Or to use the motor vehicle analogy, a single >cylinder Trabant is a mightly smoky and noisy motor car that sounds like it >ought to be cutting grass rather than carrying passengers on the highway. >But if it's running, it'll still sound a lot sweeter than a Rolls Royce >with >a busted big-end!!! > >Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf >Of Angel W. Ricano > Sent: 17 November 2003 17:32 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 > > > Hello everybody, > Can anybody tell me the difference between the CR-7 and the CR-7A even >sonacally. Are this decks better sonacally than the DR-2. Also can >anybody >send me a phone number where I can order parts for Nak decks. > Thanks, > Angel >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.541 / Virus Database: 335 - Release Date: 14/11/03 >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Frustrated with dial-up? Get high-speed for as low as $26.95. https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.) ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Nov 19 18:49:21 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:49:21 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002601c3aec5$76bb90e0$41914c51@oemcomputer> Ah! Thank you István for the correction. And, Long Live the Trabants!! Regards Graham -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Sándor István Sent: 18 November 2003 08:43 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7 Hello all, I am a "silent" participate on the list for long time... There are many usable and valuable information here, but in this case I must correct you (though off-topic): The TRABANT has not a single-cylinder, but a twin-cylinder car. Some 600ccm, and 26HP. That's all. Hope you are going to keep this nice forum alive. Thank you! István (form Hungary, a country with STILL MANY running TRABANTs... :-) ) --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.541 / Virus Database: 335 - Release Date: 14/11/03 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Nov 19 18:49:25 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:49:25 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 In-Reply-To: <200311181256_MC3-1-5AD8-C620@compuserve.com> Message-ID: <002b01c3aec5$78e575c0$41914c51@oemcomputer> I think it was for Torrance, yes. If there are no spares to be had there, then, the next best bet will be hawking the request around all the old Nak dealers, although like as not you'll end up @ ES Labs, who (I understand) do have some healthy stocks of some parts ... but at a price. They ain't a charity! Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of compudude > Sent: 18 November 2003 17:56 > To: INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7 > > > Graham, > > There is also CR70 for the Japanese market with 100V supply. > > Is this the phone number of nakamichi service in Torrance CA? Their e-mail > (service at nakamichi.com) is no longer valid. > > Thanks, > _Fuad > > > Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com > > > > Angel > > The CR7, CR7A and CR7E are identical machines except the CR7A accepts only > 110-120v power, the CR7E accepts 220-240v and the CR7 is usually > switchable > between different voltages. > > Assuming you are in the States, for parts try Tel: 310-392-1155 > > Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Angel W. Ricano Sent: 17 November 2003 17:32 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Hello everybody, Can anybody tell me the difference between the CR-7 and the CR-7A even sonacally. Are this decks better sonacally than the DR-2. Also can anybody send me a phone number where I can order parts for Nak decks. Thanks, Angel --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.541 / Virus Database: 335 - Release Date: 14/11/03 < ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.541 / Virus Database: 335 - Release Date: 14/11/03 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.541 / Virus Database: 335 - Release Date: 14/11/03 From jerryjg at webtv.net Wed Nov 19 14:59:07 2003 From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 07:59:07 -0600 (CST) Subject: [naktalk] rx-303 Message-ID: <4445-3FBB772B-157@storefull-2234.public.lawson.webtv.net> Whats my RX-303,a Volkswagen Jetta or an Audi ti? thank you very much, gerald From hisself at ol-jim.com Wed Nov 19 23:16:18 2003 From: hisself at ol-jim.com (Ol' Jim, hisself) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:16:18 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Is this pretty much how to rank the various Naks? In-Reply-To: <25CA84AE.2C9E3C00.0004E774@aol.com> Message-ID: <3FBBA562.2400.231E718F@localhost> > in ascending order of quality: 1. Recent two-head models > with sendust heads and single capstan tranport. BX, CR, DR. 2. Older > two-head models with crystal heads and single capstan transport. 500 > 3. Older two-head models with crystal heads and dual capstan > transport. 480 et.al. 4. Basic three-head models, with dual capstan > transport, pad lifter. Within this group some might distinguish older > and more recent models in terms of transport quality. BX300, CR3,DR2 > 5. Three-head models with "optimizers". Dual capstan, pad lifter, > plus optimizers such as azimuth adjustment, bias and level adjustment. > (may be either automatic or manual) Dragon, CR7, DR1 Other factors: > Dolby C, auto-reverse, degrees of sophistication, complexity, and > flixibility of optimizers What have I left out? > The LX series fit in there somewhere. Ol' Jim, hisself hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com Gun Control is life insurance for those Government Officials scheming to steal the rest of your Bill of Rights. From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Nov 20 00:34:13 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 23:34:13 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] rx-303 In-Reply-To: <4445-3FBB772B-157@storefull-2234.public.lawson.webtv.net> Message-ID: <000a01c3aef5$a3e1a340$f277893e@oemcomputer> An honest VW. The Audi is more like some of those slightly esoteric cables ... looks nice , costs a lot but doesn't perform any better than the cheaper equivalent VW, Skoda or Seat with just as good, if not better, specs! I don't think there is a Nakamichi equivalent ... Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Gerald G. > Sent: 19 November 2003 13:59 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] rx-303 > > > Whats my RX-303,a Volkswagen Jetta or an Audi ti? > > thank you very much, > gerald > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.541 / Virus Database: 335 - Release Date: 14/11/03 From enoyes at snet.net Thu Nov 20 06:34:00 2003 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 00:34:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] cd player 2 music bank References: <9.1c9e5d48.2cec46a7@aol.com> Message-ID: <3FBC5248.5050500@snet.net> It sounds more like the drawer belt. Mine was doing the same thing and I fixed it by replacing it. Not an easy job as the belt is hard to get at. I was able to do it with minimal disassembly, but it took many tries at getting the belt over the pulley with the little pusher tool I made. Flyingicarus2003 at aol.com wrote: > hi > i have a nakamichi cd player 2 music bank. the tray does not open when > switch pressed to open the tray - i can only open it if i get my nail > under the tray and pull it open after pressing the button - i can hear > it trying to open so to speak. i heard that the nak cd players jam - > do you know if there is any easy fix to this problem? thank you > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ed Gerald G. wrote: >Whats my RX-303,a Volkswagen Jetta or an Audi ti? > >thank you very much, >gerald > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From ddino77 at earthlink.net Thu Nov 20 00:02:25 2003 From: ddino77 at earthlink.net (ddino77 at earthlink.net) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 18:02:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] rx-303 Message-ID: <123820-220031131923225404@M2W051.mail2web.com> a yugo Original Message: ----------------- From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 07:59:07 -0600 (CST) To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] rx-303 Whats my RX-303,a Volkswagen Jetta or an Audi ti? thank you very much, gerald ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From stan.targowski at comcast.net Thu Nov 20 00:50:42 2003 From: stan.targowski at comcast.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:50:42 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] rx-303 In-Reply-To: <4445-3FBB772B-157@storefull-2234.public.lawson.webtv.net> Message-ID: It is Nakamichi, thus a Mercedes ... It has auto-reverse, thus 4-wheel-drive ... Since RX-505 would be E320 4Matic, I would say it is C-280 4-Matic. Stan -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Gerald G. Sent: Wed, November 19, 2003 7:59 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] rx-303 Whats my RX-303,a Volkswagen Jetta or an Audi ti? thank you very much, gerald ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From jhkim at pentamicro.com Thu Nov 20 01:26:34 2003 From: jhkim at pentamicro.com (???(Jonghyeon Kim)) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:26:34 +0900 Subject: [naktalk] My CR-5 eaten tape. References: <002601c3aec5$76bb90e0$41914c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <018d01c3aefc$f474c1f0$1901a8c0@jhkim> hi all, I have a Nakamichi CR-5 deck. When I pressed the stop button during the playing, the mechanism was stuck-at playing mode and the LED of FF/PLAY/RW/STOP is flickerring Also FF/PLAY/STOP/RW button does not work and I can't open the door. Is it idler problem or other problem? Please give me any information to fix the deck. Thanks. Jonghyeon Kim Seoul, Korea -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jvbrhg at seanet.com Thu Nov 20 02:27:20 2003 From: jvbrhg at seanet.com (Babin/Greseth) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:27:20 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] rx-303 References: <4445-3FBB772B-157@storefull-2234.public.lawson.webtv.net> Message-ID: <001a01c3af05$71750ea0$361a0cd0@r7g1f8> Ya just gotta ask, dohne-sha? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerald G." To: Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 5:59 AM Subject: [naktalk] rx-303 > Whats my RX-303,a Volkswagen Jetta or an Audi ti? > > thank you very much, > gerald > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From jvbrhg at seanet.com Thu Nov 20 02:29:33 2003 From: jvbrhg at seanet.com (Babin/Greseth) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:29:33 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] rx-303 References: <4445-3FBB772B-157@storefull-2234.public.lawson.webtv.net> Message-ID: <002501c3af05$c05b1dc0$361a0cd0@r7g1f8> Better Yet... Jetta, jetta, jetta, jing, jing, jing. You remember that tune don't you? Randall in Seattle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerald G." To: Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 5:59 AM Subject: [naktalk] rx-303 > Whats my RX-303,a Volkswagen Jetta or an Audi ti? > > thank you very much, > gerald > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Thu Nov 20 13:35:40 2003 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 07:35:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Message-ID: Hey! Do you remember when Budapest was two cities?(Buda&Pest)? Neil >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7 >Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:49:21 -0000 > >Ah! Thank you Istv�n for the correction. > >And, Long Live the Trabants!! > >Regards > >Graham > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf >Of S�ndor Istv�n > Sent: 18 November 2003 08:43 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7 > > > Hello all, > I am a "silent" participate on the list for long time... > There are many usable and valuable information here, but in this case I >must correct you (though off-topic): > > The TRABANT has not a single-cylinder, but a twin-cylinder car. Some >600ccm, and 26HP. > That's all. > > Hope you are going to keep this nice forum alive. > Thank you! > Istv�n > (form Hungary, a country with STILL MANY running TRABANTs... :-) ) > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.541 / Virus Database: 335 - Release Date: 14/11/03 >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Groove on the latest from the hot new rock groups! Get downloads, videos, and more here. http://special.msn.com/entertainment/wiredformusic.armx From JBoris4325 at aol.com Thu Nov 20 13:54:19 2003 From: JBoris4325 at aol.com (JBoris4325 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 07:54:19 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RX 505 ISSUES??? Message-ID: <428F6F1D.26E03A7A.0ACC7DC7@aol.com> Hi, Are there any known problems or maintenance issues that should be performed or fixed on a typical RX505? I know some Naks should have capacitors replaced and others have troublesome mechanisms...? thanks JEff From sandorpistike at hotmail.com Thu Nov 20 15:49:49 2003 From: sandorpistike at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?S=E1ndor_Istv=E1n?=) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 15:49:49 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 References: Message-ID: Oh no, I cannot remember that time... I am too young to remember this. But I know this fact, of course. Budapest is divided by a river called Danube. The west side is Buda, and the east side is Pest. Said to be a nice city, but I do not like it... I live in a village, well far away from the capital... I hate crowd... I am afraid Wouter will fire us, if we keep on discussing about uninteresting questions (for the Nakkers, at least...). To ask some Nak-related question: I had 2 of my Naks serviced (in Budapest), but since that time I did not even turned them on... ZX7 and RX505. Both are in my gear, covered with fine linens to prevent them from dust. Can you (I mean: any of you) tell me if it is harmful for the decks to do not use them for a long time? Nowadays I do not make any new records, and for listening "rear music" I rather use my smallest Nak, the BX1. Any opinions? István ----- Original Message ----- From: "neil lipes" To: Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 1:35 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7 > Hey! Do you remember when Budapest was two cities?(Buda&Pest)? > > Neil > > > >From: "Nelson" > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7 > >Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:49:21 -0000 > > > >Ah! Thank you István for the correction. > > > >And, Long Live the Trabants!! > > > >Regards > > > >Graham > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > >Behalf > >Of Sándor István > > Sent: 18 November 2003 08:43 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7 > > > > > > Hello all, > > I am a "silent" participate on the list for long time... > > There are many usable and valuable information here, but in this case I > >must correct you (though off-topic): > > > > The TRABANT has not a single-cylinder, but a twin-cylinder car. Some > >600ccm, and 26HP. > > That's all. > > > > Hope you are going to keep this nice forum alive. > > Thank you! > > István > > (form Hungary, a country with STILL MANY running TRABANTs... :-) ) > > > >--- > >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >Version: 6.0.541 / Virus Database: 335 - Release Date: 14/11/03 > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > _________________________________________________________________ > Groove on the latest from the hot new rock groups! Get downloads, videos, > and more here. http://special.msn.com/entertainment/wiredformusic.armx > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From hisself at ol-jim.com Thu Nov 20 19:15:54 2003 From: hisself at ol-jim.com (Ol' Jim, hisself) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 13:15:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3FBCBE8A.24746.2768E534@localhost> > Hey! Do you remember when Budapest was two cities?(Buda&Pest)? > > Neil Ah, yes! I remember. Buda - named after the great Buddah; and Pest - named after one, or maybe both, of the Clintons! Ol' Jim, hisself hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com Gun Control is life insurance for those Government Officials scheming to steal the rest of your Bill of Rights. From clarke68 at rcn.com Thu Nov 20 23:04:56 2003 From: clarke68 at rcn.com (clarke68 at rcn.com) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 17:04:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] idler replacement on rx-202? Message-ID: I recently picked up an RX-202 on ebay...seems like it's in good shape but mechanical things being what they are, I expect it'll need some work sooner or later. Anyone done an idler gear replacement on the 202, or had one done? Is it hard? How much did it cost? Anyone know where to get the parts? At this point, it seems to make more sense to just keep replacing the idler tire every 2-3 years, since they can be picked up for $10 at www.libermansound.com. Is replacing the idler tire as easy as it sounds? Sorry if this is a duplicate post, I searched the archives back a full year and didn't see anything. Feel free to refer me to any websites/old posts that apply...thanks! Clarke From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Nov 20 23:29:11 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 09:29:11 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] RX 505 ISSUES??? Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D296@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Typically the RX505 does not suffer from any major issues. The mech as you may be aware is that of the superb genuine nak mechanism, the only thing that comes to mind is the capstan belt that would need to be replaced every 10-15 years or so. My RX505 does not suffer from the dreaded orange cap disease but there may be someone out there who can tell us if they have suffered from it. Lastly the flipping mechanism does not suffer from any major problems, however I do recall one of our great Naktalkers - Michael Dewire - mentioned that the flipping mech can go out of alignment slightly which could affect the azimuth, Michael if you are out there can you verify this? Tom. -----Original Message----- From: JBoris4325 at aol.com [mailto:JBoris4325 at aol.com] Sent: Thursday, 20 November 2003 11:54 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] RX 505 ISSUES??? Hi, Are there any known problems or maintenance issues that should be performed or fixed on a typical RX505? I know some Naks should have capacitors replaced and others have troublesome mechanisms...? thanks JEff ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Fri Nov 21 00:09:00 2003 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 23:09:00 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Is this pretty much how to rank the various Naks? Message-ID: Hi Tad, Very logical list and indeed you are right on the button! As I have discerned, the Naks can be broken down as follows, in ascending order of quality: >1. Recent two-head models with sendust heads and single capstan tranport. >BX, CR, DR. >2. Older two-head models with crystal heads and single capstan transport. >500 >3. Older two-head models with crystal heads and dual capstan transport. >480 et.al. >4. Basic three-head models, with dual capstan transport, pad lifter. >Within this group some might distinguish older and more recent models in >terms of transport quality. BX300, CR3,DR2 >5. Three-head models with "optimizers". Dual capstan, pad lifter, plus >optimizers such as azimuth adjustment, bias and level adjustment. (may be >either automatic or manual) Dragon, CR7, DR1 _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail messages direct to your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile From khmerideth at anderson.edu Fri Nov 21 16:43:46 2003 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 10:43:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Message-ID: Hello Istvan, If you let the ZX-7 and RX-505 sit very long, the grease will start to harden, which won't let the head assembly fully raise up to engage the tape, for record or playback. Also, the belts will lose their elasticity and start to crack sooner if they are not "exercised" (used) for long periods of time. Just like any other piece of fine machinery, Nakamichi decks need to be used in order to stay in good working order. That does not mean the deck needs to play/record ten tapes a day to remain in good working order. That many tapes a week, or month, would accomplish that. I'm guilty of not using my 550 (my original Nak and only 2-head deck) that often, because I use the 3-head decks for most of my playback/recording. In the last 20 years, it's rare that I need battery power to do on-location taping. Have noticed I need to use the 550, to play back the tapes I made on it, mostly in the mid to late 70's, to get the high frequencies to not sound muffled. Even the Dragon will not overcome this problem. My advice is to at least use each of the decks once a week, even if you only listen with headphones, instead of hooking a deck into your playback system. Those 3-head decks are too good to just let them sit. Enjoy those machines! Most of all, enjoy the music! Kent Merideth By the way, I don't know how to ad the little mark above the "a" in your name. Just so you know I'm not ignoring how your name is spelled. >>> sandorpistike at hotmail.com 11/20/03 09:49AM >>> Oh no, I cannot remember that time... I am too young to remember this. But I know this fact, of course. Budapest is divided by a river called Danube. The west side is Buda, and the east side is Pest. Said to be a nice city, but I do not like it... I live in a village, well far away from the capital... I hate crowd... I am afraid Wouter will fire us, if we keep on discussing about uninteresting questions (for the Nakkers, at least...). To ask some Nak-related question: I had 2 of my Naks serviced (in Budapest), but since that time I did not even turned them on... ZX7 and RX505. Both are in my gear, covered with fine linens to prevent them from dust. Can you (I mean: any of you) tell me if it is harmful for the decks to do not use them for a long time? Nowadays I do not make any new records, and for listening "rear music" I rather use my smallest Nak, the BX1. Any opinions? István ----- Original Message ----- From: "neil lipes" To: Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 1:35 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7 > Hey! Do you remember when Budapest was two cities?(Buda&Pest)? > > Neil > > > >From: "Nelson" > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7 > >Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:49:21 -0000 > > > >Ah! Thank you István for the correction. > > > >And, Long Live the Trabants!! > > > >Regards > > > >Graham > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > >Behalf > >Of Sándor István > > Sent: 18 November 2003 08:43 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7 > > > > > > Hello all, > > I am a "silent" participate on the list for long time... > > There are many usable and valuable information here, but in this case I > >must correct you (though off-topic): > > > > The TRABANT has not a single-cylinder, but a twin-cylinder car. Some > >600ccm, and 26HP. > > That's all. > > > > Hope you are going to keep this nice forum alive. > > Thank you! > > István > > (form Hungary, a country with STILL MANY running TRABANTs... :-) ) > > > >--- > >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >Version: 6.0.541 / Virus Database: 335 - Release Date: 14/11/03 > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > _________________________________________________________________ > Groove on the latest from the hot new rock groups! 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URL: From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Fri Nov 21 15:57:07 2003 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 09:57:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Message-ID: Istvan: Good to hear back from you. You know a very famous conductor who "worked" for many years with the London Symphony Orchestra is named Istvan...Istvan Kertesz...his reading(s) of Dvorak are the benchmark from which all others strive to achieve! True, he was from Prague and not Budapest, but his music is simply devine. The worst thing that can be done to anything mechanical is to not use it. Rubber gets hard, grease gets hard,these devices are made to be used...not put on exhibit in a wood rack! Some examples: For many years I did not use my 1962 Roberts R-R deck...I have trouble with many things due to non-use. I store an old Studebaker automobile and use it (if lucky) two months a year...guess what..all I do is spend money replacing items that go bad from non-use(brake line,fuel components etc) I also have an RX-505 and I do not use it enough..although I do use it. Use your equipment, it is beautiful, it sounds great,and most importantly....it gives you both a visceral and spiritual charge! Regards, Neil Lipes >From: S�ndor Istv�n >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7 >Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 15:49:49 +0100 > >Oh no, I cannot remember that time... I am too young to remember this. >But I know this fact, of course. >Budapest is divided by a river called Danube. The west side is Buda, and >the >east side is Pest. >Said to be a nice city, but I do not like it... I live in a village, well >far away from the capital... I hate crowd... > >I am afraid Wouter will fire us, if we keep on discussing about >uninteresting questions (for the Nakkers, at least...). > >To ask some Nak-related question: I had 2 of my Naks serviced (in >Budapest), >but since that time I did not even turned them on... ZX7 and RX505. Both >are >in my gear, covered with fine linens to prevent them from dust. >Can you (I mean: any of you) tell me if it is harmful for the decks to do >not use them for a long time? Nowadays I do not make any new records, and >for listening "rear music" I rather use my smallest Nak, the BX1. > >Any opinions? >Istv�n > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "neil lipes" >To: >Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 1:35 PM >Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7 > > > > Hey! Do you remember when Budapest was two cities?(Buda&Pest)? > > > > Neil > > > > > > >From: "Nelson" > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7 > > >Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:49:21 -0000 > > > > > >Ah! Thank you Istv�n for the correction. > > > > > >And, Long Live the Trabants!! > > > > > >Regards > > > > > >Graham > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > >Behalf > > >Of S�ndor Istv�n > > > Sent: 18 November 2003 08:43 > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7 > > > > > > > > > Hello all, > > > I am a "silent" participate on the list for long time... > > > There are many usable and valuable information here, but in this >case >I > > >must correct you (though off-topic): > > > > > > The TRABANT has not a single-cylinder, but a twin-cylinder car. Some > > >600ccm, and 26HP. > > > That's all. > > > > > > Hope you are going to keep this nice forum alive. > > > Thank you! > > > Istv�n > > > (form Hungary, a country with STILL MANY running TRABANTs... :-) ) > > > > > >--- > > >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > >Version: 6.0.541 / Virus Database: 335 - Release Date: 14/11/03 > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Groove on the latest from the hot new rock groups! Get downloads, >videos, > > and more here. http://special.msn.com/entertainment/wiredformusic.armx > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Say �goodbye� to busy signals and slow downloads with a high-speed Internet connection! Prices start at less than $1 a day average. https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.) From RTLehe at aol.com Fri Nov 21 18:07:52 2003 From: RTLehe at aol.com (RTLehe at aol.com) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 12:07:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RX 505 ISSUES??? Message-ID: <2D706692.6D624214.0004E774@aol.com> I thought the whole point of the flipper was to avoid the azimuth alignment problems inherent in audoreverse mechanisms. I guess perfection is still elusive. Tad From martinferreira at hotmail.com Fri Nov 21 23:14:23 2003 From: martinferreira at hotmail.com (martinferreira at hotmail.com) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 22:14:23 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 mis-calibration Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Sat Nov 22 00:41:08 2003 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 18:41:08 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 mis-calibration Message-ID: How boring,stogy, and just plain curmudgeonly we would be if all our interests centered around nothing but Nakamichi... the machine is just a viaduct to the end result..music..and the intelligent discussion of music takes many forms...most not on specific point..how narrow we all would be if all (100%) we discussed are the machines... The wonderful thing about our love of these machines is that we all get to "speak" to other like minded hobbyists(same goes for the R-R group) and exchange thoughts..human interaction..and not exclusively centered on "the machine". I have learned from others in ways I never could have pre-internet, and I am thankful for the education we all share. To suggest that some of us are pests, shows a lack of fair play, and narrow mindedness. That is all, I'm off the quasi soap box, and now in front of my 505 listening to MUSIC. Neil Lipes >From: "" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 mis-calibration >Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 22:14:23 +0000 > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Need a shot of Hank Williams or Patsy Cline? The classic country stars are always singing on MSN Radio Plus. Try one month free! http://join.msn.com/?page=offers/premiumradio -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From martinferreira at hotmail.com Sat Nov 22 05:35:08 2003 From: martinferreira at hotmail.com (martinferreira at hotmail.com) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 04:35:08 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sandorpistike at hotmail.com Sat Nov 22 08:00:09 2003 From: sandorpistike at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?S=E1ndor_Istv=E1n?=) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 08:00:09 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 References: Message-ID: Hello Neil and Kent, (and all the other readers of Naktalk), thank you very much for your advices regarding not using a Nakamichi deck. I expected some similar opinions :-) It will not be difficult to complete your advices: yesterday I hooked my "new" Nak, a TD400 to my existing room-amplifier and speakers. I did not expect that much, because I bought that car-deck from ebay, and when I received that, I felt unhappy because she looked very abused. I was totally amazed when I turned on, and started to play a cassette... I have never heard any car-units to play so lovely! And TD400 is an old piece of Nak, I suppose, and not the high-end of the TD series... My wife was impressed also, she proposed this unit NOT to install in the car, but install it in the room... :-))) I bought a Nak MTD3 from ebay (new, unused in the box, sitting in the gardrobe for months). This is a piece of the newer series of Nak. Do you think I can expect similar results as with the TD400? I am afraid, not... But I will try it. I fell in love again with Naks... István ----- Original Message ----- From: "neil lipes" To: Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 3:57 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7 > Istvan: > > Good to hear back from you. You know a very famous conductor who "worked" > for many years with the London Symphony Orchestra is named Istvan...Istvan > Kertesz...his reading(s) of Dvorak are the benchmark from which all others > strive to achieve! True, he was from Prague and not Budapest, but his music > is simply devine. > > The worst thing that can be done to anything mechanical is to not use it. > Rubber gets hard, grease gets hard,these devices are made to be used...not > put on exhibit in a wood rack! Some examples: > > For many years I did not use my 1962 Roberts R-R deck...I have trouble with > many things due to non-use. > > I store an old Studebaker automobile and use it (if lucky) two months a > year...guess what..all I do is spend money replacing items that go bad from > non-use(brake line,fuel components etc) > > I also have an RX-505 and I do not use it enough..although I do use it. > > Use your equipment, it is beautiful, it sounds great,and most > importantly....it gives you both a visceral and spiritual charge! > > Regards, > > Neil Lipes > > > > > > > > > >From: Sándor István > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7 > >Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 15:49:49 +0100 > > > >Oh no, I cannot remember that time... I am too young to remember this. > >But I know this fact, of course. > >Budapest is divided by a river called Danube. The west side is Buda, and > >the > >east side is Pest. > >Said to be a nice city, but I do not like it... I live in a village, well > >far away from the capital... I hate crowd... > > > >I am afraid Wouter will fire us, if we keep on discussing about > >uninteresting questions (for the Nakkers, at least...). > > > >To ask some Nak-related question: I had 2 of my Naks serviced (in > >Budapest), > >but since that time I did not even turned them on... ZX7 and RX505. Both > >are > >in my gear, covered with fine linens to prevent them from dust. > >Can you (I mean: any of you) tell me if it is harmful for the decks to do > >not use them for a long time? Nowadays I do not make any new records, and > >for listening "rear music" I rather use my smallest Nak, the BX1. > > > >Any opinions? > >István > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "neil lipes" > >To: > >Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 1:35 PM > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7 > > > > > > > Hey! Do you remember when Budapest was two cities?(Buda&Pest)? > > > > > > Neil > > > > > > > > > >From: "Nelson" > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7 > > > >Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:49:21 -0000 > > > > > > > >Ah! Thank you István for the correction. > > > > > > > >And, Long Live the Trabants!! > > > > > > > >Regards > > > > > > > >Graham > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > >Behalf > > > >Of Sándor István > > > > Sent: 18 November 2003 08:43 > > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7 > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello all, > > > > I am a "silent" participate on the list for long time... > > > > There are many usable and valuable information here, but in this > >case > >I > > > >must correct you (though off-topic): > > > > > > > > The TRABANT has not a single-cylinder, but a twin-cylinder car. Some > > > >600ccm, and 26HP. > > > > That's all. > > > > > > > > Hope you are going to keep this nice forum alive. > > > > Thank you! > > > > István > > > > (form Hungary, a country with STILL MANY running TRABANTs... :-) ) > > > > > > > >--- > > > >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > >Version: 6.0.541 / Virus Database: 335 - Release Date: 14/11/03 > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > >Maintain your account here: > >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Groove on the latest from the hot new rock groups! Get downloads, > >videos, > > > and more here. http://special.msn.com/entertainment/wiredformusic.armx > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > _________________________________________________________________ > Say “goodbye” to busy signals and slow downloads with a high-speed Internet > connection! Prices start at less than $1 a day average. > https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.) > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From Sven.Schultz at t-online.de Sat Nov 22 10:56:18 2003 From: Sven.Schultz at t-online.de (Sven Schultz) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 10:56:18 +0100 Subject: AW: [naktalk] RX 505 ISSUES??? In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D296@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <002b01c3b0de$e0f903f0$0100000a@amd1333> Hi Guy's - I've owned a RX505 3 weeks ago - (ebay), which has indeed this capstan belt problems. Any suggestions where I can get this replacement - belt's in Europe - or germany, where I come from? A second little problem appears, when the mechanism to lower the heads is active - it sound's like a electrical screwdriver with no effects om functionality - may theer be any hydraulic parts, which could be suffer along 10 or 15 years ? Sven -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Im Auftrag von Thomas Siomopoulos Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. November 2003 23:29 An: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Betreff: RE: [naktalk] RX 505 ISSUES??? Typically the RX505 does not suffer from any major issues. The mech as you may be aware is that of the superb genuine nak mechanism, the only thing that comes to mind is the capstan belt that would need to be replaced every 10-15 years or so. My RX505 does not suffer from the dreaded orange cap disease but there may be someone out there who can tell us if they have suffered from it. Lastly the flipping mechanism does not suffer from any major problems, however I do recall one of our great Naktalkers - Michael Dewire - mentioned that the flipping mech can go out of alignment slightly which could affect the azimuth, Michael if you are out there can you verify this? Tom. -----Original Message----- From: JBoris4325 at aol.com [mailto:JBoris4325 at aol.com] Sent: Thursday, 20 November 2003 11:54 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] RX 505 ISSUES??? Hi, Are there any known problems or maintenance issues that should be performed or fixed on a typical RX505? I know some Naks should have capacitors replaced and others have troublesome mechanisms...? thanks JEff ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == From martinferreira at hotmail.com Sat Nov 22 14:35:27 2003 From: martinferreira at hotmail.com (martinferreira at hotmail.com) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 13:35:27 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Cr7 Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From vferdman at yahoo.com Sat Nov 22 19:14:47 2003 From: vferdman at yahoo.com (Vladimir Ferdman) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 10:14:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031122181447.6621.qmail@web10406.mail.yahoo.com> I have a car Nak connected to my office system. Great sound. I also use it to transfer some old tapes I have to CD by connecting the Nak to my m-audio sound card. Works like a charm! Best, Vladimir --- S�ndor_Istv�n wrote: > Hello Neil and Kent, (and all the other readers of Naktalk), > > thank you very much for your advices regarding not using a Nakamichi deck. I > expected some similar opinions :-) > It will not be difficult to complete your advices: yesterday I hooked my > "new" Nak, a TD400 to my existing room-amplifier and speakers. > I did not expect that much, because I bought that car-deck from ebay, and > when I received that, I felt unhappy because she looked very abused. > I was totally amazed when I turned on, and started to play a cassette... I > have never heard any car-units to play so lovely! > And TD400 is an old piece of Nak, I suppose, and not the high-end of the TD > series... > > My wife was impressed also, she proposed this unit NOT to install in the > car, but install it in the room... :-))) > I bought a Nak MTD3 from ebay (new, unused in the box, sitting in the > gardrobe for months). This is a piece of the newer series of Nak. Do you > think I can expect similar results as with the TD400? I am afraid, not... > But I will try it. > > I fell in love again with Naks... > > Istv�n __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From GRRbiker at aol.com Sat Nov 22 21:41:52 2003 From: GRRbiker at aol.com (GRRbiker at aol.com) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 15:41:52 EST Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Recording Problems Message-ID: <164.28ac97e3.2cf12410@aol.com> My ZX-7 jumps out of record mode after a few minutes for no apparent reason. The rec light and transport still indicate everything is fine but when in tape monitor mode the level on the VUs dropsout as does the audio output on the headphone jacks. I can usually clear this by stopping and re-initializing record though it may take several attempts. Once I get past that I can record a whole tape without problems. Normal playback works fine and source levels are always fine on the meters. Anyone seen this problem or something similar? Thanks Tom -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sandorpistike at hotmail.com Sat Nov 22 22:49:02 2003 From: sandorpistike at hotmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=E1ndor_Istv=E1n?=) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 22:49:02 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 References: <20031122181447.6621.qmail@web10406.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hello Vladmimir, maybe you can help me easily. I do not know, what mobile-Nak you have, but if you have a TD, can you tell me how to set the clock??? (Irrelevant question I know, nothing to make with music, but it would be interesting for me...) Other question: on the TD400 there is a swith, which is signed as "ANC", and it depress the receive-quality... Strange, I do not know why Nak need that switch, maybe one of yours is aware of its necessity. Thank you very much for anyone's contribution. Best regards, István ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vladimir Ferdman" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 7:14 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7 > I have a car Nak connected to my office system. Great sound. I also use it to transfer some old > tapes I have to CD by connecting the Nak to my m-audio sound card. Works like a charm! > > Best, > Vladimir > > > --- Sándor_István wrote: > > Hello Neil and Kent, (and all the other readers of Naktalk), > > > > thank you very much for your advices regarding not using a Nakamichi deck. I > > expected some similar opinions :-) > > It will not be difficult to complete your advices: yesterday I hooked my > > "new" Nak, a TD400 to my existing room-amplifier and speakers. > > I did not expect that much, because I bought that car-deck from ebay, and > > when I received that, I felt unhappy because she looked very abused. > > I was totally amazed when I turned on, and started to play a cassette... I > > have never heard any car-units to play so lovely! > > And TD400 is an old piece of Nak, I suppose, and not the high-end of the TD > > series... > > > > My wife was impressed also, she proposed this unit NOT to install in the > > car, but install it in the room... :-))) > > I bought a Nak MTD3 from ebay (new, unused in the box, sitting in the > > gardrobe for months). This is a piece of the newer series of Nak. Do you > > think I can expect similar results as with the TD400? I am afraid, not... > > But I will try it. > > > > I fell in love again with Naks... > > > > István > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now > http://companion.yahoo.com/ > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From sandorpistike at hotmail.com Sat Nov 22 22:53:05 2003 From: sandorpistike at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?S=E1ndor_Istv=E1n?=) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 22:53:05 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] This worldly list References: <17768251@rosencrantz.reed.edu> Message-ID: Nice idea. I am afraid some of the "elder" members already completed such a cassette. But I am ready to take part in such a project, though at this moment I think it would be hard to decide what music I would record on that tape... :-) István ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Lifton" To: Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 6:49 PM Subject: [naktalk] This worldly list > I agree with Neil wholeheartedly. I love that this list is so international and > multi-cultural. It's the kind of thing that makes the internet such a wonderful > resource: people from across the globe can come together, share their love for > Naks, music, whatever, and discover their differences. > > Anyway, the whole discussion gave me an idea: what if we made each other some > mixed tapes (on our Naks, of course!) of music from our respective > countries/cultures and circulated them around to each other. I, for one, would > be fascinated to know what they're playing in clubs and halls Budapest. I'd be > happy to start things off with a tape of REAL American popular music (not Clear > Channel Corporation's idea of what we should listen to). And, of course, it > would be interesting to check out the quality of tapes made on other Naks. > > I hope some of you will be interested in this idea and that Wouter won't kick me > off for being too "political"! > best, > Fred Lifton > > > > --- You wrote: > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 mis-calibration > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > How boring,stogy, and just plain curmudgeonly we would be if all our > interests centered around nothing but Nakamichi... the machine is just a > viaduct to the end result..music..and the intelligent discussion of music > takes many forms...most not on specific point..how narrow we all would be if > all (100%) we discussed are the machines... > > The wonderful thing about our love of these machines is that we all get to > "speak" to other like minded hobbyists(same goes for the R-R group) and > exchange thoughts..human interaction..and not exclusively centered on "the > machine". > > I have learned from others in ways I never could have pre-internet, and I am > thankful for the education we all share. > > To suggest that some of us are pests, shows a lack of fair play, and narrow > mindedness. > > That is all, I'm off the quasi soap box, and now in front of my 505 > listening to MUSIC. > --- end of quote --- > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From copytec at coqui.net Sun Nov 23 01:12:29 2003 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlitos Jr.) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 18:12:29 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] This worldly list References: <17768251@rosencrantz.reed.edu> Message-ID: <004601c3b156$7f352900$05773242@coqui.net> We tried this already with the "famous" Marathon Tape with no avail. A few followed the instructions, others not. The tape got stucked somewhere in the globe and the rest is history. A brilliant idea but not everybody is ready, I guess ... Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Lifton" To: Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 11:49 AM Subject: [naktalk] This worldly list > I agree with Neil wholeheartedly. I love that this list is so international and > multi-cultural. It's the kind of thing that makes the internet such a wonderful > resource: people from across the globe can come together, share their love for > Naks, music, whatever, and discover their differences. > > Anyway, the whole discussion gave me an idea: what if we made each other some > mixed tapes (on our Naks, of course!) of music from our respective > countries/cultures and circulated them around to each other. I, for one, would > be fascinated to know what they're playing in clubs and halls Budapest. I'd be > happy to start things off with a tape of REAL American popular music (not Clear > Channel Corporation's idea of what we should listen to). And, of course, it > would be interesting to check out the quality of tapes made on other Naks. > > I hope some of you will be interested in this idea and that Wouter won't kick me > off for being too "political"! > best, > Fred Lifton > > > > --- You wrote: > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 mis-calibration > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > How boring,stogy, and just plain curmudgeonly we would be if all our > interests centered around nothing but Nakamichi... the machine is just a > viaduct to the end result..music..and the intelligent discussion of music > takes many forms...most not on specific point..how narrow we all would be if > all (100%) we discussed are the machines... > > The wonderful thing about our love of these machines is that we all get to > "speak" to other like minded hobbyists(same goes for the R-R group) and > exchange thoughts..human interaction..and not exclusively centered on "the > machine". > > I have learned from others in ways I never could have pre-internet, and I am > thankful for the education we all share. > > To suggest that some of us are pests, shows a lack of fair play, and narrow > mindedness. > > That is all, I'm off the quasi soap box, and now in front of my 505 > listening to MUSIC. > --- end of quote --- > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From kjbleus at charter.net Sun Nov 23 01:09:14 2003 From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 18:09:14 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 9, Issue 27 Message-ID: <002401c3b156$07cc28f0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6> Fred, István, et al, Nice to have the next generation of NakTalkers suggesting exchanges of music recorded on Nakamichi cassette decks. Yes, we have a music taping project that is still in-progress, final mastering and duplication phase currently happening. Music from around the world shared to the extent that we have so much music accumulated that we may distribute the final results via compact disc medium. Our project has been referred to as the Marathon Tape project, and we even have a set of web pages that lists the music, recording gear and NakTalk recorders information. More than two years in the making, we hope to finish the project in the coming months: http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html There is another way to share music with Nakamichi enthusiasts, and we actually have an email group that several of us are still activew with. We call that the NakTree, for sharing music in a variety of ways. Try subscribing to NakTree thru Wouter's Naks.Com website. Others who want to get into Nak recorded music sharing will likely enjoy your ideas and get things going! http://www.naks.com/ Best regards, K.J. Bleus Madison, Wisc USA kjbleus at charter.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 4:09 PM Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 9, Issue 27 ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: 22 Nov 2003 09:49:33 PST From: Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu (Fred Lifton) Subject: [naktalk] This worldly list To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <17768251 at rosencrantz.reed.edu> Content-Type: text/plain I agree with Neil wholeheartedly. I love that this list is so international and multi-cultural. It's the kind of thing that makes the internet such a wonderful resource: people from across the globe can come together, share their love for Naks, music, whatever, and discover their differences. Anyway, the whole discussion gave me an idea: what if we made each other some mixed tapes (on our Naks, of course!) of music from our respective countries/cultures and circulated them around to each other. I, for one, would be fascinated to know what they're playing in clubs and halls Budapest. I'd be happy to start things off with a tape of REAL American popular music (not Clear Channel Corporation's idea of what we should listen to). And, of course, it would be interesting to check out the quality of tapes made on other Naks. I hope some of you will be interested in this idea and that Wouter won't kick me off for being too "political"! best, Fred Lifton ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 22:53:05 +0100 From: S?ndor Istv?n Subject: Re: [naktalk] This worldly list To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Nice idea. I am afraid some of the "elder" members already completed such a cassette. But I am ready to take part in such a project, though at this moment I think it would be hard to decide what music I would record on that tape... :-) István ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Lifton" To: Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 6:49 PM Subject: [naktalk] This worldly list > I agree with Neil wholeheartedly. I love that this list is so international and > multi-cultural. It's the kind of thing that makes the internet such a wonderful > resource: people from across the globe can come together, share their love for > Naks, music, whatever, and discover their differences. > > Anyway, the whole discussion gave me an idea: what if we made each other some > mixed tapes (on our Naks, of course!) of music from our respective > countries/cultures and circulated them around to each other. I, for one, would > be fascinated to know what they're playing in clubs and halls Budapest. I'd be > happy to start things off with a tape of REAL American popular music (not Clear > Channel Corporation's idea of what we should listen to). And, of course, it > would be interesting to check out the quality of tapes made on other Naks. > > I hope some of you will be interested in this idea and that Wouter won't kick me > off for being too "political"! > best, > Fred Lifton > > End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 9, Issue 27 ************************************** From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Sun Nov 23 01:23:47 2003 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 19:23:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] This worldly list Message-ID: Hey Carlos! Don't give up so fast.......Rome was not built in a day!.......What we do not need are a bunch of cynics! Lets give it a try...it is a fantastic idea..... WHO'S TIME HAS COME!!! Neil >From: "Carlitos Jr." >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: Re: [naktalk] This worldly list >Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 18:12:29 -0600 > >We tried this already with the "famous" Marathon Tape with no avail. A few >followed the instructions, others not. The tape got stucked somewhere in >the >globe and the rest is history. > >A brilliant idea but not everybody is ready, I guess ... > >Carlos > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Fred Lifton" >To: >Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 11:49 AM >Subject: [naktalk] This worldly list > > > > I agree with Neil wholeheartedly. I love that this list is so >international and > > multi-cultural. It's the kind of thing that makes the internet such a >wonderful > > resource: people from across the globe can come together, share their >love >for > > Naks, music, whatever, and discover their differences. > > > > Anyway, the whole discussion gave me an idea: what if we made each other >some > > mixed tapes (on our Naks, of course!) of music from our respective > > countries/cultures and circulated them around to each other. I, for one, >would > > be fascinated to know what they're playing in clubs and halls Budapest. >I'd be > > happy to start things off with a tape of REAL American popular music >(not >Clear > > Channel Corporation's idea of what we should listen to). And, of course, >it > > would be interesting to check out the quality of tapes made on other >Naks. > > > > I hope some of you will be interested in this idea and that Wouter won't >kick me > > off for being too "political"! > > best, > > Fred Lifton > > > > > > > > --- You wrote: > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 mis-calibration > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > How boring,stogy, and just plain curmudgeonly we would be if all our > > interests centered around nothing but Nakamichi... the machine is just a > > viaduct to the end result..music..and the intelligent discussion of >music > > takes many forms...most not on specific point..how narrow we all would >be >if > > all (100%) we discussed are the machines... > > > > The wonderful thing about our love of these machines is that we all get >to > > "speak" to other like minded hobbyists(same goes for the R-R group) and > > exchange thoughts..human interaction..and not exclusively centered on >"the > > machine". > > > > I have learned from others in ways I never could have pre-internet, and >I >am > > thankful for the education we all share. > > > > To suggest that some of us are pests, shows a lack of fair play, and >narrow > > mindedness. > > > > That is all, I'm off the quasi soap box, and now in front of my 505 > > listening to MUSIC. > > --- end of quote --- > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Need a shot of Hank Williams or Patsy Cline? The classic country stars are always singing on MSN Radio Plus. Try one month free! http://join.msn.com/?page=offers/premiumradio From daves at intergate.com Sun Nov 23 03:23:46 2003 From: daves at intergate.com (David) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 21:23:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Recording Problems In-Reply-To: <164.28ac97e3.2cf12410@aol.com> Message-ID: <000b01c3b168$d68bd7f0$0100a8c0@custom> Try cleaning the monitor switch -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of GRRbiker at aol.com Sent: Sat, Nov 22, 03 15:42 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Recording Problems My ZX-7 jumps out of record mode after a few minutes for no apparent reason. The rec light and transport still indicate everything is fine but when in tape monitor mode the level on the VUs dropsout as does the audio output on the headphone jacks. I can usually clear this by stopping and re-initializing record though it may take several attempts. Once I get past that I can record a whole tape without problems. Normal playback works fine and source levels are always fine on the meters. Anyone seen this problem or something similar? Thanks Tom From stan.targowski at comcast.net Sun Nov 23 17:03:53 2003 From: stan.targowski at comcast.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 10:03:53 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] This worldly list In-Reply-To: <004601c3b156$7f352900$05773242@coqui.net> Message-ID: Carlos - per KJ's note and my latest recollection, you had the "marathon" tape, at least the American one. Could you clarify about the "tape being stucked somewhere in the globe", and give us the update? Stan -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Carlitos Jr. Sent: Sat, November 22, 2003 6:12 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] This worldly list We tried this already with the "famous" Marathon Tape with no avail. A few followed the instructions, others not. The tape got stucked somewhere in the globe and the rest is history. A brilliant idea but not everybody is ready, I guess ... Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Lifton" To: Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 11:49 AM Subject: [naktalk] This worldly list > I agree with Neil wholeheartedly. I love that this list is so international and > multi-cultural. It's the kind of thing that makes the internet such a wonderful > resource: people from across the globe can come together, share their love for > Naks, music, whatever, and discover their differences. > > Anyway, the whole discussion gave me an idea: what if we made each other some > mixed tapes (on our Naks, of course!) of music from our respective > countries/cultures and circulated them around to each other. I, for one, would > be fascinated to know what they're playing in clubs and halls Budapest. I'd be > happy to start things off with a tape of REAL American popular music (not Clear > Channel Corporation's idea of what we should listen to). And, of course, it > would be interesting to check out the quality of tapes made on other Naks. > > I hope some of you will be interested in this idea and that Wouter won't kick me > off for being too "political"! > best, > Fred Lifton > > > > --- You wrote: > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 mis-calibration > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > How boring,stogy, and just plain curmudgeonly we would be if all our > interests centered around nothing but Nakamichi... the machine is just a > viaduct to the end result..music..and the intelligent discussion of music > takes many forms...most not on specific point..how narrow we all would be if > all (100%) we discussed are the machines... > > The wonderful thing about our love of these machines is that we all get to > "speak" to other like minded hobbyists(same goes for the R-R group) and > exchange thoughts..human interaction..and not exclusively centered on "the > machine". > > I have learned from others in ways I never could have pre-internet, and I am > thankful for the education we all share. > > To suggest that some of us are pests, shows a lack of fair play, and narrow > mindedness. > > That is all, I'm off the quasi soap box, and now in front of my 505 > listening to MUSIC. > --- end of quote --- > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From timbarrett at cox.net Sun Nov 23 17:23:06 2003 From: timbarrett at cox.net (timbarrett at cox.net) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 11:23:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Recording Problems In-Reply-To: <164.28ac97e3.2cf12410@aol.com> Message-ID: <3FC0989A.4326.31979B@localhost> Tom- I'd be suspicious of the bias oscillator, it sounds as if it's shutting off, or perhaps shifting in frequency, although I find it odd that it would work for a bit, then stop, then pick back up when you cycle through record a few times and work fine after that. And I'm having trouble thinking of a good way to determine that without the use of an oscilloscope, or a good quality voltmeter, or a frequency counter. Try this - set it to record, and when the problem occurs leave it running and keep monitoring tape while you punch the three different tape selector buttons, the EX, SX, and ZX buttons. See if this has any effect on the problem. If so, it could be that dirty contacts on one of these switches is the culprit. There is also the spectre of those dreaded orange caps in the back of my mind... I've been through that on my ZX7, and while my symptoms were not that same as yours, I believe that there is an 'orange cap' in the bias oscillator. It could be failing. Good Luck! Tim > > My ZX-7 jumps out of record mode after a few minutes for no apparent > reason. The rec light and transport still indicate everything is fine > but when in tape monitor mode the level on the VUs dropsout as does > the audio output on the headphone jacks. I can usually clear this by > stopping and re-initializing record though it may take several > attempts. Once I get past that I can record a whole tape without > problems. Normal playback works fine and source levels are always fine > on the meters. Anyone seen this problemor something similar? > > Thanks > > Tom From vferdman at yahoo.com Sun Nov 23 18:25:35 2003 From: vferdman at yahoo.com (Vladimir Ferdman) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 09:25:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031123172535.75880.qmail@web10401.mail.yahoo.com> Istv�n, my deck does not have a clock. It is a unit I have not seen too much. Years back (in '89 or so) I had a car Nak that looked more like others I see, then it got stolen and was replaced by what was current then. Nakamichi changed the style of the brand (the word 'NAKAMICHI' is in red and there is no logo as usual). The styling of this deck is quite different also. I could send you a picture if you are interested. Anyway, on the tape door it says: "PowerPortSystem" and below that: Mobile TunerDeck 3". The deck doesn't have a power amp of its own and came with different optional sleeves. The deck is removable with a little handle to pull it out of the car for theft protection. So, the sleeve that stayed in the car housed the amp (optionally). I did not get the powered sleeve because I had an external mobile Nak amp (sweet unit in its own right). So, now in my home-office-computer room I have it hooked up to a set of powered computer speakers. Works well, though it does not fully realize the potential of the deck. Hope you find a way to set that clock, Vladimir --- S�ndor_Istv�n wrote: > Hello Vladmimir, > maybe you can help me easily. > > I do not know, what mobile-Nak you have, but if you have a TD, can you tell > me how to set the clock??? (Irrelevant question I know, nothing to make with > music, but it would be interesting for me...) > Other question: > on the TD400 there is a swith, which is signed as "ANC", and it depress the > receive-quality... Strange, I do not know why Nak need that switch, maybe > one of yours is aware of its necessity. > > Thank you very much for anyone's contribution. > Best regards, > Istv�n > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Vladimir Ferdman" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 7:14 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7 > > > > I have a car Nak connected to my office system. Great sound. I also use > it to transfer some old > > tapes I have to CD by connecting the Nak to my m-audio sound card. Works > like a charm! > > > > Best, > > Vladimir > > > > > > --- S�ndor_Istv�n wrote: > > > Hello Neil and Kent, (and all the other readers of Naktalk), > > > > > > thank you very much for your advices regarding not using a Nakamichi > deck. I > > > expected some similar opinions :-) > > > It will not be difficult to complete your advices: yesterday I hooked my > > > "new" Nak, a TD400 to my existing room-amplifier and speakers. > > > I did not expect that much, because I bought that car-deck from ebay, > and > > > when I received that, I felt unhappy because she looked very abused. > > > I was totally amazed when I turned on, and started to play a cassette... > I > > > have never heard any car-units to play so lovely! > > > And TD400 is an old piece of Nak, I suppose, and not the high-end of the > TD > > > series... > > > > > > My wife was impressed also, she proposed this unit NOT to install in the > > > car, but install it in the room... :-))) > > > I bought a Nak MTD3 from ebay (new, unused in the box, sitting in the > > > gardrobe for months). This is a piece of the newer series of Nak. Do you > > > think I can expect similar results as with the TD400? I am afraid, > not... > > > But I will try it. > > > > > > I fell in love again with Naks... > > > > > > Istv�n > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now > > http://companion.yahoo.com/ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From copytec at coqui.net Mon Nov 24 23:58:54 2003 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlitos Jr.) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:58:54 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] This worldly list References: Message-ID: <000e01c3b2de$8a0e9080$53773242@coqui.net> Whenever the master CD is ready, I'll notify the list. At this moment all my gear is in a warehouse at Ft. Lauderdale, FL ready to be move back to PR. Best, Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Targowski" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 10:03 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] This worldly list > Carlos - per KJ's note and my latest recollection, you had the "marathon" > tape, at least the American one. Could you clarify about the "tape being > stucked somewhere in the globe", and give us the update? > > Stan > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Carlitos Jr. > Sent: Sat, November 22, 2003 6:12 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] This worldly list > > > We tried this already with the "famous" Marathon Tape with no avail. A few > followed the instructions, others not. The tape got stucked somewhere in the > globe and the rest is history. > > A brilliant idea but not everybody is ready, I guess ... > > Carlos > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fred Lifton" > To: > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 11:49 AM > Subject: [naktalk] This worldly list > > > > I agree with Neil wholeheartedly. I love that this list is so > international and > > multi-cultural. It's the kind of thing that makes the internet such a > wonderful > > resource: people from across the globe can come together, share their love > for > > Naks, music, whatever, and discover their differences. > > > > Anyway, the whole discussion gave me an idea: what if we made each other > some > > mixed tapes (on our Naks, of course!) of music from our respective > > countries/cultures and circulated them around to each other. I, for one, > would > > be fascinated to know what they're playing in clubs and halls Budapest. > I'd be > > happy to start things off with a tape of REAL American popular music (not > Clear > > Channel Corporation's idea of what we should listen to). And, of course, > it > > would be interesting to check out the quality of tapes made on other Naks. > > > > I hope some of you will be interested in this idea and that Wouter won't > kick me > > off for being too "political"! > > best, > > Fred Lifton > > > > > > > > --- You wrote: > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 mis-calibration > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > How boring,stogy, and just plain curmudgeonly we would be if all our > > interests centered around nothing but Nakamichi... the machine is just a > > viaduct to the end result..music..and the intelligent discussion of music > > takes many forms...most not on specific point..how narrow we all would be > if > > all (100%) we discussed are the machines... > > > > The wonderful thing about our love of these machines is that we all get to > > "speak" to other like minded hobbyists(same goes for the R-R group) and > > exchange thoughts..human interaction..and not exclusively centered on "the > > machine". > > > > I have learned from others in ways I never could have pre-internet, and I > am > > thankful for the education we all share. > > > > To suggest that some of us are pests, shows a lack of fair play, and > narrow > > mindedness. > > > > That is all, I'm off the quasi soap box, and now in front of my 505 > > listening to MUSIC. > > --- end of quote --- > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Nov 24 21:52:31 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 07:52:31 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] RX 505 ISSUES??? Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D05A40B9A@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Sven. Unfortunately I cannot help you with the replacement belt as I do not know where to source them, perhaps some of the guys can give you a suggestion, but in reference with the noise you are hearing - is it through the speakers or in the actual machine itself? If it is in the machine then it may be the cam motor or the cam gear needs a drop of oil. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Sven.Schultz at t-online.de [mailto:Sven.Schultz at t-online.de] Sent: Saturday, 22 November 2003 8:56 To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: AW: [naktalk] RX 505 ISSUES??? Hi Guy's - I've owned a RX505 3 weeks ago - (ebay), which has indeed this capstan belt problems. Any suggestions where I can get this replacement - belt's in Europe - or germany, where I come from? A second little problem appears, when the mechanism to lower the heads is active - it sound's like a electrical screwdriver with no effects om functionality - may theer be any hydraulic parts, which could be suffer along 10 or 15 years ? Sven -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Im Auftrag von Thomas Siomopoulos Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. November 2003 23:29 An: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Betreff: RE: [naktalk] RX 505 ISSUES??? Typically the RX505 does not suffer from any major issues. The mech as you may be aware is that of the superb genuine nak mechanism, the only thing that comes to mind is the capstan belt that would need to be replaced every 10-15 years or so. My RX505 does not suffer from the dreaded orange cap disease but there may be someone out there who can tell us if they have suffered from it. Lastly the flipping mechanism does not suffer from any major problems, however I do recall one of our great Naktalkers - Michael Dewire - mentioned that the flipping mech can go out of alignment slightly which could affect the azimuth, Michael if you are out there can you verify this? Tom. -----Original Message----- From: JBoris4325 at aol.com [mailto:JBoris4325 at aol.com] Sent: Thursday, 20 November 2003 11:54 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] RX 505 ISSUES??? Hi, Are there any known problems or maintenance issues that should be performed or fixed on a typical RX505? I know some Naks should have capacitors replaced and others have troublesome mechanisms...? thanks JEff ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Tue Nov 25 01:30:19 2003 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 19:30:19 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RX 505 ISSUES??? Message-ID: Sven: Your problems are over! Contact Jeff Galin at ES www.nakamichi.us 860-529-3200 USA >From: Thomas Siomopoulos >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] RX 505 ISSUES??? >Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 07:52:31 +1100 > >Hi Sven. Unfortunately I cannot help you with the replacement belt as I do >not know where to source them, perhaps some of the guys can give you a >suggestion, but in reference with the noise you are hearing - is it through >the speakers or in the actual machine itself? If it is in the machine then >it may be the cam motor or the cam gear needs a drop of oil. > > Tom. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Sven.Schultz at t-online.de [mailto:Sven.Schultz at t-online.de] >Sent: Saturday, 22 November 2003 8:56 >To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' >Subject: AW: [naktalk] RX 505 ISSUES??? > > >Hi Guy's - > >I've owned a RX505 3 weeks ago - (ebay), which has indeed this capstan >belt problems. Any suggestions where I can get this replacement - belt's >in Europe - or germany, where I come from? > >A second little problem appears, when the mechanism to lower the heads >is active - it sound's like a electrical screwdriver with no effects om >functionality - may theer be any hydraulic parts, which could be suffer >along 10 or 15 years ? > >Sven > >-----Urspr�ngliche Nachricht----- >Von: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Im >Auftrag von Thomas Siomopoulos >Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. November 2003 23:29 >An: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' >Betreff: RE: [naktalk] RX 505 ISSUES??? > > >Typically the RX505 does not suffer from any major issues. The mech as >you may be aware is that of the superb genuine nak mechanism, the only >thing that comes to mind is the capstan belt that would need to be >replaced every 10-15 years or so. My RX505 does not suffer from the >dreaded orange cap disease but there may be someone out there who can >tell us if they have suffered from it. Lastly the flipping mechanism >does not suffer from any major problems, however I do recall one of our >great Naktalkers - Michael Dewire - mentioned that the flipping mech can >go out of alignment slightly which could affect the azimuth, Michael if >you are out there can you verify this? > > Tom. > >-----Original Message----- >From: JBoris4325 at aol.com [mailto:JBoris4325 at aol.com] >Sent: Thursday, 20 November 2003 11:54 >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] RX 505 ISSUES??? > > >Hi, > >Are there any known problems or maintenance issues that should be >performed or fixed on a typical RX505? I know some Naks should have >capacitors replaced and others have troublesome mechanisms...? > >thanks JEff > >========---------------------------------------------------------======= >== > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------======= >== > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------======= >== >========---------------------------------------------------------======= >== > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------======= >== > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------======= >== > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ online games and music with a high-speed Internet connection! Prices start at less than $1 a day average. https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.) From vferdman at yahoo.com Tue Nov 25 18:28:14 2003 From: vferdman at yahoo.com (Vladimir Ferdman) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 09:28:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 Idler upgrade, BX-300 running slow sometimes Message-ID: <20031125172814.73383.qmail@web10412.mail.yahoo.com> Hello, all. Well, I got two Naks. One for my friend, a BX-300 and one for myself, an MR-1. Am I correct in understanding that these are essentially the same deck, difference being some balanced audio inputs (XLR and 1/4 inch) in addition to the RCA? Here are some questions I have for when I actually get the decks. The BX-300 questions. The deck sometimes runs slow or stops during playback/record. Is this common for 20-year old (more or less) deck? Is it dried up rubber? Is it easy to fix? Get parts? The MR-1 questions. Should have no problems, but I read about the idler gear upgrade. Not sure what that refers to. Any one like to clue me in? How can I find out if such an upgrade has been performed on my unit? Do I need/want to upgrade if it hasn't been done already? Thanks a lot in advance, I am pretty excited to be getting a Nak, finally after 20 years of drooling. Vladimir __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue Nov 25 21:12:59 2003 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 12:12:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 Idler upgrade, BX-300 running slow sometimes In-Reply-To: <20031125172814.73383.qmail@web10412.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20031125201259.5393.qmail@web40409.mail.yahoo.com> Yes, the MR-1 and BX-300 are esentially the same except for the I/O. The MR-1 does have one improvement. The VU meters on the MR-1 has 16 segements and the BX-300 has 12 or something like that. Also the BX-300 has bias fine tune on the front panel and the MR-1 does not. This is probably my biggest beef with the MR-1. After owning a BX-300 for 8+ years and then getting several MR-1's I am most tweaked by that omission. Sonic Sense has an excellent FAQ for Nakamichi tape decks. Read this little explaination. http://www.sonicsense.com/nakfaq42.htm#gearkit Personally I wouldn't worry about upgrading to the gear idler. Just buy a bag of 10 tires from MCM Electronics (don't remember part number) and replace it every 2 years or when the FF/Rev starts to slow down. You can also buy a CR-1 and take the gear idler out of it and put it in the MR-1/BX-300. The MR-1 does NOT have RCA I/O Connectors. There are four RCA connectors, but, they should be connected together with two shorting bars. They are used for an external noise reduction processor such as the Nakamichi NR-100, NR-200, etc. If you require RCA I/Os then get a set of female RCA to male 1/4" adapters from Radio Shack (274-320). http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&product%5Fid=274-320 Scott J. --- Vladimir Ferdman wrote: > Hello, all. > > Well, I got two Naks. One for my friend, a BX-300 > and one for myself, an MR-1. Am I correct in > understanding that these are essentially the same > deck, difference being some balanced audio > inputs (XLR and 1/4 inch) in addition to the RCA? > Here are some questions I have for when I > actually get the decks. > > The BX-300 questions. > The deck sometimes runs slow or stops during > playback/record. Is this common for 20-year old > (more or less) deck? Is it dried up rubber? Is it > easy to fix? Get parts? > > The MR-1 questions. > Should have no problems, but I read about the idler > gear upgrade. Not sure what that refers to. > Any one like to clue me in? How can I find out if > such an upgrade has been performed on my unit? > Do I need/want to upgrade if it hasn't been done > already? > > > Thanks a lot in advance, I am pretty excited to be > getting a Nak, finally after 20 years of > drooling. > > Vladimir > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now > http://companion.yahoo.com/ > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Nov 25 21:56:44 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 15:56:44 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 Idler upgrade, BX-300 running slow sometimes In-Reply-To: <20031125172814.73383.qmail@web10412.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031125172814.73383.qmail@web10412.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3FC3C20C.9040807@rcn.com> Vladimir Ferdman wrote: > Hello, all. > > Well, I got two Naks. One for my friend, a BX-300 and one for myself, an MR-1. Am I correct in > understanding that these are essentially the same deck, difference being some balanced audio > inputs (XLR and 1/4 inch) in addition to the RCA? That's right. Essentially, these rae the same deck. > Here are some questions I have for when I > actually get the decks. > > The BX-300 questions. > The deck sometimes runs slow or stops during playback/record. Is this common for 20-year old > (more or less) deck? Is it dried up rubber? Is it easy to fix? Get parts? If the deck uses a rubber idler tire, rather than a gear, this is the first suspect. This has been discussed here many times. The rubber tires are cheap and comparatively, easy to replace. > The MR-1 questions. > Should have no problems, but I read about the idler gear upgrade. Not sure what that refers to. > Any one like to clue me in? How can I find out if such an upgrade has been performed on my unit? > Do I need/want to upgrade if it hasn't been done already? This is what I mentioned above. It applies to both decks. If you remove the black plate in back of the cassette well, you should see in the center of the mechanism either a gear or a wheel with a tire. The rubber tire should be cleaned every year or so and replaced every 2 - 3 years, depending on how much use the deck sees. The gear conversion is fairly expensive. Once done, it's supposed to last for the life of the deck. -- Ron > > Thanks a lot in advance, I am pretty excited to be getting a Nak, finally after 20 years of > drooling. > > Vladimir From vferdman at yahoo.com Tue Nov 25 23:46:29 2003 From: vferdman at yahoo.com (Vladimir Ferdman) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 14:46:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 Idler upgrade, BX-300 running slow sometimes In-Reply-To: <20031125201259.5393.qmail@web40409.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20031125224629.75149.qmail@web10403.mail.yahoo.com> Scott, thank you for the informative answer and the links. Great stuff! I thought the MR-1 had the RCA inputs, but oh, well... I can get the adapters at RS. I really wanted a deck for my home system and the one I can occasionally take to a recording session. Right now I use an old portable Marantz DAT for that, but would like to try analog with the NAK. Best, Vladimir --- Scott Johnson wrote: > Yes, the MR-1 and BX-300 are esentially the same > except for the I/O. The MR-1 does have one > improvement. The VU meters on the MR-1 has 16 > segements and the BX-300 has 12 or something like > that. Also the BX-300 has bias fine tune on the front > panel and the MR-1 does not. This is probably my > biggest beef with the MR-1. After owning a BX-300 for > 8+ years and then getting several MR-1's I am most > tweaked by that omission. > > Sonic Sense has an excellent FAQ for Nakamichi tape > decks. Read this little explaination. > http://www.sonicsense.com/nakfaq42.htm#gearkit > Personally I wouldn't worry about upgrading to the > gear idler. Just buy a bag of 10 tires from MCM > Electronics (don't remember part number) and replace > it every 2 years or when the FF/Rev starts to slow > down. You can also buy a CR-1 and take the gear idler > out of it and put it in the MR-1/BX-300. > > The MR-1 does NOT have RCA I/O Connectors. There are > four RCA connectors, but, they should be connected > together with two shorting bars. They are used for an > external noise reduction processor such as the > Nakamichi NR-100, NR-200, etc. If you require RCA > I/Os then get a set of female RCA to male 1/4" > adapters from Radio Shack (274-320). > http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&product%5Fid=274-320 > > > Scott J. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From vferdman at yahoo.com Tue Nov 25 23:49:41 2003 From: vferdman at yahoo.com (Vladimir Ferdman) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 14:49:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 Idler upgrade, BX-300 running slow sometimes In-Reply-To: <3FC3C20C.9040807@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20031125224941.42193.qmail@web10402.mail.yahoo.com> Ron, thanks! Are the gear conversion kits readily available to us mortals or only to the repair facilities? Also, where to get the idler tires? How much do those run? Thanks, Vladimir --- Ron wrote: > > > That's right. Essentially, these rae the same deck. > > If the deck uses a rubber idler tire, rather than a > gear, this is the first suspect. This has been discussed > here many times. The rubber tires are cheap and comparatively, > easy to replace. > > > This is what I mentioned above. It applies to both decks. > If you remove the black plate in back of the cassette well, > you should see in the center of the mechanism either a gear > or a wheel with a tire. > > The rubber tire should be cleaned every year or so and > replaced every 2 - 3 years, depending on how much use > the deck sees. The gear conversion is fairly expensive. > Once done, it's supposed to last for the life of the > deck. > > -- Ron __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From jhkim at pentamicro.com Wed Nov 26 00:40:58 2003 From: jhkim at pentamicro.com (=?ks_c_5601-1987?B?sejBvsf2XChKb25naHllb24gS2ltXCk=?=) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 08:40:58 +0900 Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 Cam Motor Message-ID: <0c1c01c3b3ad$93d94630$1901a8c0@jhkim> Hi all, I opend top cover and check the cam motor and control cam swithches which Tom pointed out.(Refer to attached file) When powred on, the cam moter did not run. The cam moter is stuck. Should I turn cam motor by hand? Does Lubrication need? Thanks Tom Siomopoulos and others. Jonghyeon Kim Seoul, Korea -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: cr-5 001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 160330 bytes Desc: not available URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Wed Nov 26 01:22:35 2003 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:22:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 Idler upgrade, BX-300 running slow sometimes In-Reply-To: <20031125224629.75149.qmail@web10403.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20031126002235.34023.qmail@web40413.mail.yahoo.com> Ok, you can get the idler tires from two places that I know of. There are a few others. Liberman Sound http://www.libermansound.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=53 $10 each MCM Electronics P/N 32-5665 http://mcm.newark.com/NewarkWebCommerce/mcm/en_US/support/catalog/productDetail.jsp?id=32-5665 $0.56 each (it's the same as the $10 part!) I think you can get the gear update, but, it's like $90-110. For that price I can replace it every year. The MR-1 is great for live sound recording if you can take get XLR outs from the board (which I am usually able to do). The adapters it works fine as a home deck. Scott J. >Ron, thanks! Are the gear conversion kits readily >available to us >mortals or only to the repair >facilities? Also, where to get the idler tires? How >much do those >run? --- Vladimir Ferdman wrote: > Scott, thank you for the informative answer and the > links. Great stuff! I thought the MR-1 had > the RCA inputs, but oh, well... I can get the > adapters at RS. I really wanted a deck for my home > system and the one I can occasionally take to a > recording session. Right now I use an old > portable Marantz DAT for that, but would like to try > analog with the NAK. > > Best, > Vladimir > > > > --- Scott Johnson wrote: > > Yes, the MR-1 and BX-300 are esentially the same > > except for the I/O. The MR-1 does have one > > improvement. The VU meters on the MR-1 has 16 > > segements and the BX-300 has 12 or something like > > that. Also the BX-300 has bias fine tune on the > front > > panel and the MR-1 does not. This is probably my > > biggest beef with the MR-1. After owning a BX-300 > for > > 8+ years and then getting several MR-1's I am most > > tweaked by that omission. > > > > Sonic Sense has an excellent FAQ for Nakamichi > tape > > decks. Read this little explaination. > > http://www.sonicsense.com/nakfaq42.htm#gearkit > > Personally I wouldn't worry about upgrading to the > > gear idler. Just buy a bag of 10 tires from MCM > > Electronics (don't remember part number) and > replace > > it every 2 years or when the FF/Rev starts to slow > > down. You can also buy a CR-1 and take the gear > idler > > out of it and put it in the MR-1/BX-300. > > > > The MR-1 does NOT have RCA I/O Connectors. There > are > > four RCA connectors, but, they should be connected > > together with two shorting bars. They are used > for an > > external noise reduction processor such as the > > Nakamichi NR-100, NR-200, etc. If you require RCA > > I/Os then get a set of female RCA to male 1/4" > > adapters from Radio Shack (274-320). > > > http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&product%5Fid=274-320 > > > > > > Scott J. > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now > http://companion.yahoo.com/ > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From RTLehe at aol.com Wed Nov 26 02:39:03 2003 From: RTLehe at aol.com (RTLehe at aol.com) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 20:39:03 EST Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 Idler upgrade, BX-300 running slow sometimes Message-ID: <1c9.125ae5f8.2cf55e37@aol.com> Vladimir, I went through the idler issue several months ago. I inquired about the gear modification and learned that the part is $75, plus a new motor that is required for the job that runs about $55. The labor was going to be a lot on top of that and I was reluctant to try the job myself once I saw the instructions. So I bought several idler tires from http://mcm.newark.com. The part number is 32-5665 and it will cost $0.56, which is a lot less than $75+55. I replaced the idler tire in one of my BXs in about 20 minutes. I was being cautious--next time it will probably take less than. You can get the instructions from www.eslabs.com. If you want to go the gear modification route, another alternative that has been recommended here (but which I have not done myself) is to get an old CR-1 or 2 and take the gear drive from it. It is a later generation transport that incorporates the same gear drive. But apparently the gear drive for the reels is compatible with the BX and MR decks. You can get a CR-1 on ebay any week of the year for around $50 and after you swap the mechanisms you have a spare deck. Incidentally, when my idler went bad, the fast forward and rewind stopped working altogether and in play mode there was a lot of scraping noise. But the tape did not slow down. So I doubt that your slowing problem is caused by the idler. The idler drives the reel hubs, not the capstan, so it does not affect tape speed. Good luck Tad -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Nov 26 16:04:07 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 10:04:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 Idler upgrade, BX-300 running slow sometimes In-Reply-To: <20031125224941.42193.qmail@web10402.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031125224941.42193.qmail@web10402.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3FC4C0E7.2070804@rcn.com> Vladimir Ferdman wrote: > Ron, thanks! Are the gear conversion kits readily available to us mortals or only to the repair > facilities? Also, where to get the idler tires? How much do those run? I don't know where to get the gear upgrade kits. It has been suggested here that it's cheaper to buy a used, non working CR-1 or CR-2 and cannibalize the required parts. The replacement job is straightforward enough, but nor exactly for the uninitiated. As to the rubber tire, these are available from MCM electronics for less than 60 cents apiece. See http://www.mcmelectronics.com/ and look for P/N 32-5665. -- Ron > > Thanks, > Vladimir > > > > --- Ron wrote: > >> >>That's right. Essentially, these rae the same deck. >> >>If the deck uses a rubber idler tire, rather than a >>gear, this is the first suspect. This has been discussed >>here many times. The rubber tires are cheap and comparatively, >>easy to replace. >> >> >>This is what I mentioned above. It applies to both decks. >>If you remove the black plate in back of the cassette well, >>you should see in the center of the mechanism either a gear >>or a wheel with a tire. >> >>The rubber tire should be cleaned every year or so and >>replaced every 2 - 3 years, depending on how much use >>the deck sees. The gear conversion is fairly expensive. >>Once done, it's supposed to last for the life of the >>deck. >> >>-- Ron > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now > http://companion.yahoo.com/ > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Nov 26 16:10:39 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 10:10:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 Cam Motor In-Reply-To: <0c1c01c3b3ad$93d94630$1901a8c0@jhkim> References: <0c1c01c3b3ad$93d94630$1901a8c0@jhkim> Message-ID: <3FC4C26F.4050205@rcn.com> If the cam motor is stuck, you can usually turn it by hand to the stop position. Cam motors that have developed dead spots can be rebuilt. Occasionally, the motor is so worn out that it must be replaced. -- Ron ������(Jonghyeon Kim) wrote: > Hi all, > > I opend top cover and check the cam motor and control cam swithches > > which Tom pointed out.(Refer to attached file) > > When powred on, the cam moter did not run. The cam moter is stuck. > > Should I turn cam motor by hand? Does Lubrication need? > > Thanks Tom Siomopoulos and others. > > Jonghyeon Kim > Seoul, Korea > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From RTLehe at aol.com Thu Nov 27 05:06:46 2003 From: RTLehe at aol.com (RTLehe at aol.com) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 23:06:46 EST Subject: [naktalk] computers are dumb Message-ID: <33.414d1505.2cf6d256@aol.com> A few days ago I lost on an auction for a Nakamichi cassette deck, and I just got my ebay notice of similar items that are now up for auction and that I might be interested in. I was mystified at first that none of them were even audio components, much less cassette decks. Then I noticed that the title line on the nak auction said "VG Condition". So the similar items that ebay thought I would be interested in were items that were in very good condtion. I guess the computer thought that I was just looking for something in VG Condition. Could be a digital camera, movie projector, lawn mower; didn't matter as long as it was in VG condition. I found this midly amusing, so I thought I would pass it along. Tad -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vferdman at yahoo.com Thu Nov 27 00:28:42 2003 From: vferdman at yahoo.com (Vladimir Ferdman) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 15:28:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 Idler upgrade, BX-300 running slow sometimes In-Reply-To: <3FC4C0E7.2070804@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20031126232842.81694.qmail@web10408.mail.yahoo.com> Thank you all for the very specisic help with the idler. I have not received the decks yet, but have already placed an order for some idler wheels. Thanks again, I'll keep the list posted as to my progress and experience. Vladimir __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Thu Nov 27 17:03:13 2003 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 11:03:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] computers are dumb Message-ID: Tad: Speaking of Ebay....several Dragons up for sale these last few weeks....I would be terrified to purchase such an expensive deck on the say so of a stranger..wouldn't you? I'm sure you know all about escrow...well... wouldn't it be wonderful if a third party like Jeff Galin at EScould act as a temporary escrow..I mean think of it...the potential buyer would have the seller send the deck in question to Jeff for his A. Blessing that the machine is good to go as is.or B. This deck needs such and such to bring it up to specs. You get my point yes? . Think of how great this would be for all parties concerned! After hearing all the horror stories about damage to Dragons and some Naks in general due to improper packing/shipping I would be loathe to jump into such a deal. At least with someone like Jeff a seller on Ebay would no longer get away with "it was working, or everything is fine" until you un-pack the deck only to find a myriad number of things broken...something the seller knew from the get go! Forget about any substantive help from "Ebay Central".. they are a joke as far as helping to rein in what amounts to institutionalized theft by sellers who are getting good money for what amounts to junk! Just some early morning thoughts in between assisting my wife with the food prep...I think I can smell the stuffing now! A great day to all! Neil. >From: RTLehe at aol.com >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] computers are dumb >Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 23:06:46 EST > >A few days ago I lost on an auction for a Nakamichi cassette deck, and I >just >got my ebay notice of similar items that are now up for auction and that I >might be interested in. I was mystified at first that none of them were >even >audio components, much less cassette decks. Then I noticed that the title >line >on the nak auction said "VG Condition". So the similar items that ebay >thought I would be interested in were items that were in very good >condtion. I >guess the computer thought that I was just looking for something in VG >Condition. >Could be a digital camera, movie projector, lawn mower; didn't matter as >long >as it was in VG condition. I found this midly amusing, so I thought I >would >pass it along. > >Tad >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Set yourself up for fun at home! Get tips on home entertainment equipment, video game reviews, and more here. http://special.msn.com/home/homeent.armx From martinferreira at hotmail.com Fri Nov 28 04:55:28 2003 From: martinferreira at hotmail.com (martinferreira at hotmail.com) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 03:55:28 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] E.Bay Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Niall.Fowler at btopenworld.com Fri Nov 28 13:54:52 2003 From: Niall.Fowler at btopenworld.com (Niall Fowler) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 12:54:52 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi DR10 Message-ID: <002101c3b5ae$d158caa0$b2458751@oemcomputer> I purchased a brand new Nakamichi DR10 last year from Richer Sounds in the UK and unfortunately it developed a fault after 16 months. I took the deck back to Richer Sounds for repair as I purchased a 5 year warranty on it, the deck was returned to them at the end of June 2003, as of yet I have still to get the deck returned to me. I have had very little in the way of communication from Richer Sounds and what I have received has been mainly due to me calling them. Them claimed major problems in obtaining parts and have not been able to obtain a service manual for the deck. I have requested that they return the deck to me and I will seek to get it repaired elsewhere and pass the costs onto them. Firstly does anyone know of any problems in obtaining spares or the service manual for this deck Secondly where is best to get the deck repaired? One possible source I have found is the Nakamichi Service Centre run by Bower and Wilkins (the speaker manufactures) who were for many years the distributor in the UK for Nakamichi, their website address is http://www.bowersandwilkins.co.uk/nakamichi/home.htm. I believe the current Nakamichi UK no longer has anything to do with the product produced before about 1999 does anyone know is this is true? Thirdly does anyone know if it is still possible to buy a new DR10 even if it may require shipping into the UK from another country? I am highly reluctant to simply get a refund from Richer Sounds as this would mean giving up a very fine cassette that is not even two years old and with little chance of finding a replacement. Hope you can help regards Niall Fowler niall.fowler at btopenworld.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Nov 28 16:01:48 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 10:01:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] computers are dumb In-Reply-To: <33.414d1505.2cf6d256@aol.com> References: <33.414d1505.2cf6d256@aol.com> Message-ID: <3FC7635C.3030209@rcn.com> I wonder why you think that 'computers are dumb'. Whatever wrote the search algorithm wasn't a computer. IME, computers are smart. Too bad we can't say the same thing about the people that drive them... -- Ron RTLehe at aol.com wrote: > A few days ago I lost on an auction for a Nakamichi cassette deck, and I > just got my ebay notice of similar items that are now up for auction and > that I might be interested in. I was mystified at first that none of > them were even audio components, much less cassette decks. Then I > noticed that the title line on the nak auction said "VG Condition". So > the similar items that ebay thought I would be interested in were items > that were in very good condtion. I guess the computer thought that I > was just looking for something in VG Condition. Could be a digital > camera, movie projector, lawn mower; didn't matter as long as it was in > VG condition. I found this midly amusing, so I thought I would pass it > along. > > Tad > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From psburress at worldnet.att.net Fri Nov 28 22:04:34 2003 From: psburress at worldnet.att.net (Proctor Burress) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 13:04:34 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 Idler Tire Size & Lubricants Message-ID: <000801c3b5f3$3ac56040$90424a0c@proctorb> Thanks to all who have commented on LX-3 adjustments. I have searched the archives and a partial LX-5 manual for the following without success I have also removed the idler assembly on the LX-3 and dismounted the tire. This particular disassembly seems more complicated than other tire removal guides have suggested. The tire certainly appears to be worn. I measure the O.D. (worn) diameter to be 20.0 mm (approximately, of course). The I.D. is 13.0 mm and the tire width is 3.0 mm. Would someone be so good as to confirm these dimensions (20.0 mm x 13.0 mm x 3.0 mm) AND a source (is MCM a possibility size-wise?) for this particular tire? The manual which has circulated with 20 missing pages does discuss lubricants even though much is missing. As I am sure many of you have read...page 18 indicates: "LX-5 is a lubrication-free cassette deck except when parts are replaced." Please note the LX-5 manual goes on to carefully prescribe on page 18 the following lubricants for very specific parts/components..."LAUNA #100, FLOIL GB-TS-1 and Silicon Oil #3000 CST." Are all the NAK lovers out there using these lubricants or equivalents? Would you please name them? Does NYE produce the right lubricants? Can clock oil be used at one or more lubrication points? thanks, Proctor -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Fri Nov 28 22:45:27 2003 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 21:45:27 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi DR10 Message-ID: Hi Niall, The best place to send it for repair/servicing is Nakamichi service centre at Bowers and Wilkins. They do a very fine job indeed and have all the necessary parts. Don't believe Richer Sounds, most likely their technician doesn't even know how to service a Nakamichi tape deck! Get it back as quick as you can and send it to Bowers and Wilkins! The DR10 is a very nice machine, but shouldn't really go wrong, what is the problem with it? How did the fault develop? There's no need to waste money buying a new one, rare as hen's teeth nowadays - just get it back and send it to a proper repair/servicing place (i.e. not Richer Sounds!) >From: "Niall Fowler" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: >Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi DR10 >Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 12:54:52 -0000 > >I purchased a brand new Nakamichi DR10 last year from Richer Sounds in the >UK and unfortunately it developed a fault after 16 months. I took the deck >back to Richer Sounds for repair as I purchased a 5 year warranty on it, >the deck was returned to them at the end of June 2003, as of yet I have >still to get the deck returned to me. I have had very little in the way of >communication from Richer Sounds and what I have received has been mainly >due to me calling them. Them claimed major problems in obtaining parts and >have not been able to obtain a service manual for the deck. I have >requested that they return the deck to me and I will seek to get it >repaired elsewhere and pass the costs onto them. > >Firstly does anyone know of any problems in obtaining spares or the service >manual for this deck > >Secondly where is best to get the deck repaired? One possible source I have >found is the Nakamichi Service Centre run by Bower and Wilkins (the speaker >manufactures) who were for many years the distributor in the UK for >Nakamichi, their website address is >http://www.bowersandwilkins.co.uk/nakamichi/home.htm. I believe the >current Nakamichi UK no longer has anything to do with the product produced >before about 1999 does anyone know is this is true? > >Thirdly does anyone know if it is still possible to buy a new DR10 even if >it may require shipping into the UK from another country? > >I am highly reluctant to simply get a refund from Richer Sounds as this >would mean giving up a very fine cassette that is not even two years old >and with little chance of finding a replacement. > >Hope you can help > >regards > >Niall Fowler >niall.fowler at btopenworld.com > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Nuall, _________________________________________________________________ Sign-up for a FREE BT Broadband connection today! http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Nov 28 23:40:33 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 22:40:33 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi DR10 In-Reply-To: <002101c3b5ae$d158caa0$b2458751@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <000001c3b600$a26ccb40$49804c51@oemcomputer> Niall To the best of my knowledge, B&W is the best place to have the deck repaired in the UK. I would have thought Richer Sounds may have sought spares from that source but, if they are in short supply - as many Nak spares are - it could well be that B&W have refused them. I recently contacted them regarding spares for one of my decks, asking for "2 of each" ... they said "No, one of each and that's your lot!" Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Niall Fowler Sent: 28 November 2003 12:55 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi DR10 I purchased a brand new Nakamichi DR10 last year from Richer Sounds in the UK and unfortunately it developed a fault after 16 months. I took the deck back to Richer Sounds for repair as I purchased a 5 year warranty on it, the deck was returned to them at the end of June 2003, as of yet I have still to get the deck returned to me. I have had very little in the way of communication from Richer Sounds and what I have received has been mainly due to me calling them. Them claimed major problems in obtaining parts and have not been able to obtain a service manual for the deck. I have requested that they return the deck to me and I will seek to get it repaired elsewhere and pass the costs onto them. Firstly does anyone know of any problems in obtaining spares or the service manual for this deck Secondly where is best to get the deck repaired? One possible source I have found is the Nakamichi Service Centre run by Bower and Wilkins (the speaker manufactures) who were for many years the distributor in the UK for Nakamichi, their website address is http://www.bowersandwilkins.co.uk/nakamichi/home.htm. I believe the current Nakamichi UK no longer has anything to do with the product produced before about 1999 does anyone know is this is true? Thirdly does anyone know if it is still possible to buy a new DR10 even if it may require shipping into the UK from another country? I am highly reluctant to simply get a refund from Richer Sounds as this would mean giving up a very fine cassette that is not even two years old and with little chance of finding a replacement. Hope you can help regards Niall Fowler niall.fowler at btopenworld.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.541 / Virus Database: 335 - Release Date: 14/11/03 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jerryjg at webtv.net Sat Nov 29 17:37:28 2003 From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 10:37:28 -0600 (CST) Subject: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for NAK Message-ID: <24419-3FC8CB48-3110@storefull-2237.public.lawson.webtv.net> HI.many excellent regards to the great nak-talk "family".Although i have an older c.d. /tape guide, i would like to find out the best clasical and jazz tape that you all like. I have a couple of Blue Note Jazz tapes,some R.C.A.Red Seal,some London F.F.R,and one Living Presecence. Are these tapes analgous in quality to the fantastic vinyl production from these same companies.Any others i might want to be aware of? thank you very much, gerald From jerryjg at webtv.net Sun Nov 30 06:43:59 2003 From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 23:43:59 -0600 (CST) Subject: [naktalk] rare nakamichi decks Message-ID: <3012-3FC9839F-609@storefull-2234.public.lawson.webtv.net> i think now that it is time to set aside the mint nakamichi tape decks in a cool dark place and not to use them ,they are becoming to valuable.just as someone with a mint ferrari dino,or a porsche speedster would be foolish to use the machine as a daily driver,so the nak . Better to use those restored or "great condition" decks.I have two NAKS -my mint rx-303 is put away and i am using my 700 TT.I would lke to pick up another 'USER" nak deck,but no Dragons for me. I already passed on a 200 dollar dragon several years ago in great condition in favor of my mint RX-303.The dragon is too 'superexotic,tempermental and unforgiving",and those of you so technically inclined to be able to properly maintain one are very lucky indeed. thank you very much, gerald From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Nov 30 12:14:33 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 11:14:33 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] rare nakamichi decks In-Reply-To: <3012-3FC9839F-609@storefull-2234.public.lawson.webtv.net> Message-ID: <001d01c3b733$21947b60$e89c4c51@oemcomputer> Problem with doing that, Gerald, is they will deteriorate overall faster for NOT being used! I've heard it said many times - the worst thing you can do to a Nak is not use it ... Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Gerald G. > Sent: 30 November 2003 05:44 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] rare nakamichi decks > > > i think now that it is time to set aside the mint nakamichi tape decks > in a cool dark place and not to use them ,they are becoming to > valuable.just as someone with a mint ferrari dino,or a porsche speedster > would be foolish to use the machine as a daily driver,so the nak . > Better to use those restored or "great condition" decks.I have two NAKS > -my mint rx-303 is put away and i am using my 700 TT.I would lke to pick > up another 'USER" nak deck,but no Dragons for me. I already passed on a > 200 dollar dragon several years ago in great condition in favor of my > mint RX-303.The dragon is too 'superexotic,tempermental and > unforgiving",and those of you so technically inclined to be able to > properly maintain one are very lucky indeed. > > thank you very much, > gerald > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.541 / Virus Database: 335 - Release Date: 14/11/03 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.541 / Virus Database: 335 - Release Date: 14/11/03 From c123666 at comcast.net Sun Nov 30 12:17:57 2003 From: c123666 at comcast.net (Carl Cobb) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 03:17:57 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] rare nakamichi decks References: <3012-3FC9839F-609@storefull-2234.public.lawson.webtv.net> Message-ID: <009901c3b733$9bdf8cc0$1702a8c0@mine> So what is Nakamichi 700 II worth in excellent cosmetic condition but probably original (ie, heads, belts, never serviced....) condition operation wise? I picked it up and have not yet had it professionally evaluated. Wondering what might be the things to look for on these decks; prior owner said it might be playing a bit slow. Regards, Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerald G." To: Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 9:43 PM Subject: [naktalk] rare nakamichi decks > i think now that it is time to set aside the mint nakamichi tape decks > in a cool dark place and not to use them ,they are becoming to > valuable.just as someone with a mint ferrari dino,or a porsche speedster > would be foolish to use the machine as a daily driver,so the nak . > Better to use those restored or "great condition" decks.I have two NAKS > -my mint rx-303 is put away and i am using my 700 TT.I would lke to pick > up another 'USER" nak deck,but no Dragons for me. I already passed on a > 200 dollar dragon several years ago in great condition in favor of my > mint RX-303.The dragon is too 'superexotic,tempermental and > unforgiving",and those of you so technically inclined to be able to > properly maintain one are very lucky indeed. > > thank you very much, > gerald > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From msyoder at border.net Sun Nov 30 14:22:03 2003 From: msyoder at border.net (Michael S. Yoder) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 07:22:03 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for NAK Message-ID: <001201c3b744$f2870560$9bf4c1cf@jnorris.ttu.edu> For jazz, ECM cassettes generally are good, especially after about 1979 or so. In fact, before buying my first CD player around 1990, at which time vinyl was more and more difficult to get, I was buying strictly cassettes. I found the ECM cassettes to be sonically on a par with vinyl, especially considering that the latter has the occasional crackling and pops. I've since been able to reduce LP surface noise with the Nitty Gritty record cleaner, and am again buying vinyl when feasible. But, those mid- and late-1980s ECM cassettes still sound great on the DR-3, and even better than they did on the Denon deck I used until buying my DR-3 in the mid-1990s. Cheers, Michael -----Original Message----- From: Gerald G. To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Sunday, November 30, 2003 4:29 AM Subject: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for NAK HI.many excellent regards to the great nak-talk "family".Although i have an older c.d. /tape guide, i would like to find out the best clasical and jazz tape that you all like. I have a couple of Blue Note Jazz tapes,some R.C.A.Red Seal,some London F.F.R,and one Living Presecence. Are these tapes analgous in quality to the fantastic vinyl production from these same companies.Any others i might want to be aware of? thank you very much, gerald From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Nov 30 19:23:36 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 18:23:36 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] rare nakamichi decks In-Reply-To: <009901c3b733$9bdf8cc0$1702a8c0@mine> Message-ID: <002301c3b76f$118e57e0$53844c51@oemcomputer> Very nice! :o) If you get a chance to buy another one do so because spares are rare as hen's teeth. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Carl Cobb > Sent: 30 November 2003 11:18 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] rare nakamichi decks > > > So what is Nakamichi 700 II worth in excellent cosmetic condition but > probably original (ie, heads, belts, never serviced....) > condition operation > wise? > > I picked it up and have not yet had it professionally evaluated. > Wondering > what might be the things to look for on these decks; prior owner said it > might be playing a bit slow. > > Regards, > > Carl > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gerald G." > To: > Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 9:43 PM > Subject: [naktalk] rare nakamichi decks > > > > i think now that it is time to set aside the mint nakamichi tape decks > > in a cool dark place and not to use them ,they are becoming to > > valuable.just as someone with a mint ferrari dino,or a porsche speedster > > would be foolish to use the machine as a daily driver,so the nak . > > Better to use those restored or "great condition" decks.I have two NAKS > > -my mint rx-303 is put away and i am using my 700 TT.I would lke to pick > > up another 'USER" nak deck,but no Dragons for me. I already passed on a > > 200 dollar dragon several years ago in great condition in favor of my > > mint RX-303.The dragon is too 'superexotic,tempermental and > > unforgiving",and those of you so technically inclined to be able to > > properly maintain one are very lucky indeed. > > > > thank you very much, > > gerald > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.541 / Virus Database: 335 - Release Date: 14/11/03 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.541 / Virus Database: 335 - Release Date: 14/11/03 From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Sun Nov 30 17:18:26 2003 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 11:18:26 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] rare nakamichi decks Message-ID: Jerry: What you propose is what we call in the old car hobby call the trailer queen syndrome...never use the item..just put in a trailer and show it...might as well put it in a museum.. all mechanical things suffer from non-use..ask me I have antique cars that sit in storage...costing me money to constantly keep up the fuel and brake systems! Use the 303! I have a 505 and it goes all the time. >From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.) >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] rare nakamichi decks >Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 23:43:59 -0600 (CST) > >i think now that it is time to set aside the mint nakamichi tape decks >in a cool dark place and not to use them ,they are becoming to >valuable.just as someone with a mint ferrari dino,or a porsche speedster >would be foolish to use the machine as a daily driver,so the nak . >Better to use those restored or "great condition" decks.I have two NAKS >-my mint rx-303 is put away and i am using my 700 TT.I would lke to pick >up another 'USER" nak deck,but no Dragons for me. I already passed on a >200 dollar dragon several years ago in great condition in favor of my >mint RX-303.The dragon is too 'superexotic,tempermental and >unforgiving",and those of you so technically inclined to be able to >properly maintain one are very lucky indeed. > >thank you very much, >gerald > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Is there a gadget-lover on your gift list? MSN Shopping has lined up some good bets! http://shopping.msn.com From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Sun Nov 30 17:35:40 2003 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 11:35:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for NAK Message-ID: They are all great! The recording mixers of those days were the best..all the great labels had greater men...RCA---Lew Layton, Decca/London--Kenny Wilkinson, EMI--I just can not recall his name , but rest assured the real EMI's were fantastic... Try and get a clean copy of Holsts The Planets conducted by Sir Adrian Boult on early stereo pressing..talk about a visceral charge, WOW! Neil >From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.) >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for NAK >Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 10:37:28 -0600 (CST) > >HI.many excellent regards to the great nak-talk "family".Although i have >an older c.d. /tape guide, i would like to find out the best clasical >and jazz tape that you all like. I have a couple of Blue Note Jazz >tapes,some R.C.A.Red Seal,some London F.F.R,and one Living Presecence. >Are these tapes analgous in quality to the fantastic vinyl production >from these same companies.Any others i might want to be aware of? > >thank you very much, >gerald > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ >From the hottest toys to tips on keeping fit this winter, you�ll find a range of helpful holiday info here. http://special.msn.com/network/happyholidays.armx From jmtooley at ce.net Sun Nov 30 20:01:44 2003 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 14:01:44 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for NAK References: Message-ID: <006001c3b774$6623afd0$4c106343@johnnyrotten> 10-4 on Boult/Planets, just don't buy it with Mehta! John T. ----- Original Message ----- From: "neil lipes" To: Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 11:35 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for NAK They are all great! The recording mixers of those days were the best..all the great labels had greater men...RCA---Lew Layton, Decca/London--Kenny Wilkinson, EMI--I just can not recall his name , but rest assured the real EMI's were fantastic... Try and get a clean copy of Holsts The Planets conducted by Sir Adrian Boult on early stereo pressing..talk about a visceral charge, WOW! Neil >From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.) >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for NAK >Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 10:37:28 -0600 (CST) > >HI.many excellent regards to the great nak-talk "family".Although i have >an older c.d. /tape guide, i would like to find out the best clasical >and jazz tape that you all like. I have a couple of Blue Note Jazz >tapes,some R.C.A.Red Seal,some London F.F.R,and one Living Presecence. >Are these tapes analgous in quality to the fantastic vinyl production >from these same companies.Any others i might want to be aware of? > >thank you very much, >gerald > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ >From the hottest toys to tips on keeping fit this winter, you'll find a range of helpful holiday info here. http://special.msn.com/network/happyholidays.armx ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From RTLehe at aol.com Sun Nov 30 21:24:27 2003 From: RTLehe at aol.com (RTLehe at aol.com) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 15:24:27 EST Subject: [naktalk] Unused Naks Message-ID: <154.28c5cc05.2cfbabfb@aol.com> I have a question about the advisablility of buying Naks that have been unused for a long time. Lately it has been stated a few times that it is bad for Naks to go unused for extended periods of time. Occasionally one sees advertised Naks that have never been used at all or have been in storage for 10 years or more. Is it wise to avoid buying these on the grounds that they may have deteriorated by non-use. Is there a danger that critical and perhaps hard to replace parts may be damaged or subject to immanent damage? Tad -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Nov 30 22:13:42 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 21:13:42 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for NAK In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001301c3b786$d55194a0$417b893e@oemcomputer> Neil said: " Try and get a clean copy of Holsts The Planets conducted by Sir > Adrian Boult on early stereo pressing..talk about a visceral charge, WOW!" I've got an original copy of that on vinyl. Gra' --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.541 / Virus Database: 335 - Release Date: 14/11/03 From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Nov 30 22:13:44 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 21:13:44 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Unused Naks In-Reply-To: <154.28c5cc05.2cfbabfb@aol.com> Message-ID: <001401c3b786$d66d64e0$417b893e@oemcomputer> Tads I'd have thought that one should buy with caution. That is to say, assume that something will require fixing and that, at the very least the deck will require servicing by a qualified (i.e. Nak specialist) engineer. Given this, it would also be sensible, I'd suggest, to pick one of the "later" models of Nak decks, where there may still be some spare parts available although, by the sound of it, these are getting fewer by the week! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of RTLehe at aol.com Sent: 30 November 2003 20:24 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Unused Naks I have a question about the advisablility of buying Naks that have been unused for a long time. Lately it has been stated a few times that it is bad for Naks to go unused for extended periods of time. Occasionally one sees advertised Naks that have never been used at all or have been in storage for 10 years or more. Is it wise to avoid buying these on the grounds that they may have deteriorated by non-use. Is there a danger that critical and perhaps hard to replace parts may be damaged or subject to immanent damage? Tad --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.541 / Virus Database: 335 - Release Date: 14/11/03 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Sun Nov 30 23:17:47 2003 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 17:17:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for NAK Message-ID: Fabulous! >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for NAK >Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 21:13:42 -0000 > >Neil said: " Try and get a clean copy of Holsts The Planets conducted by >Sir > > Adrian Boult on early stereo pressing..talk about a visceral charge, >WOW!" > >I've got an original copy of that on vinyl. > >Gra' > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.541 / Virus Database: 335 - Release Date: 14/11/03 > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Say �goodbye� to busy signals and slow downloads with a high-speed Internet connection! Prices start at less than $1 a day average. https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.) From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Sun Nov 30 23:19:03 2003 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 17:19:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for NAK Message-ID: Mehta...a joke! >From: "John M. Tooley" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for NAK >Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 14:01:44 -0500 > >10-4 on Boult/Planets, just don't buy it with Mehta! > >John T. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "neil lipes" >To: >Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 11:35 AM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for NAK > > >They are all great! > >The recording mixers of those days were the best..all the great labels had >greater men...RCA---Lew Layton, Decca/London--Kenny Wilkinson, EMI--I just >can not recall his name , but rest assured the real EMI's were fantastic... >Try and get a clean copy of Holsts The Planets conducted by Sir Adrian >Boult >on early stereo pressing..talk about a visceral charge, WOW! > >Neil > > > > >From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.) > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for NAK > >Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 10:37:28 -0600 (CST) > > > >HI.many excellent regards to the great nak-talk "family".Although i have > >an older c.d. /tape guide, i would like to find out the best clasical > >and jazz tape that you all like. I have a couple of Blue Note Jazz > >tapes,some R.C.A.Red Seal,some London F.F.R,and one Living Presecence. > >Are these tapes analgous in quality to the fantastic vinyl production > >from these same companies.Any others i might want to be aware of? > > > >thank you very much, > >gerald > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >_________________________________________________________________ > >From the hottest toys to tips on keeping fit this winter, you'll find a >range of helpful holiday info here. >http://special.msn.com/network/happyholidays.armx > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Has one of the new viruses infected your computer? Find out with a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee. Take the FreeScan now! http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From jmtooley at ce.net Sun Nov 30 23:51:51 2003 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 17:51:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for NAK References: <001201c3b744$f2870560$9bf4c1cf@jnorris.ttu.edu> <004801c3b7a4$8abf0580$9d773242@coqui.net> Message-ID: <016b01c3b794$8bc59350$4c106343@johnnyrotten> I have one of those killer tapes around here somewhere, Harry James Big Band if memory serves. Highest bidder gets the tape. John T. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carlitos Jr." To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 7:40 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for NAK Sheffield Lab tapes were excellent ! Most of them were duplicated "real-time" on nakamichis MR-2's in California. Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael S. Yoder" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 7:22 AM Subject: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for NAK > For jazz, ECM cassettes generally are good, especially after about 1979 or > so. In fact, before buying my first CD player around 1990, at which time > vinyl was more and more difficult to get, I was buying strictly cassettes. > I found the ECM cassettes to be sonically on a par with vinyl, especially > considering that the latter has the occasional crackling and pops. I've > since been able to reduce LP surface noise with the Nitty Gritty record > cleaner, and am again buying vinyl when feasible. But, those mid- and > late-1980s ECM cassettes still sound great on the DR-3, and even better than > they did on the Denon deck I used until buying my DR-3 in the mid-1990s. > > Cheers, > Michael > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gerald G. > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Sunday, November 30, 2003 4:29 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for NAK > > > HI.many excellent regards to the great nak-talk "family".Although i have > an older c.d. /tape guide, i would like to find out the best clasical > and jazz tape that you all like. I have a couple of Blue Note Jazz > tapes,some R.C.A.Red Seal,some London F.F.R,and one Living Presecence. > Are these tapes analgous in quality to the fantastic vinyl production > from these same companies.Any others i might want to be aware of? > > thank you very much, > gerald > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Sun Nov 30 23:56:07 2003 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 17:56:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Unused Naks References: <154.28c5cc05.2cfbabfb@aol.com> <005301c3b7a4$90cd5080$9d773242@coqui.net> Message-ID: <018301c3b795$241df8e0$4c106343@johnnyrotten> I would have to agree Carlos. My ex. 700 ZXL was tuned beautifully by Stephen but both times it arrived it had shipping damaged. A very delicate breed. I'll say it again, get a ReVox B215, built like a tank and designed for big paws at radio stations, try that with a high-end Nak. model. John T. ----- Original Message ----- From: Carlitos Jr. To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 7:46 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Unused Naks I bought an almost "never used" 1000 ZXL from an estate sale in Florida. It claimed that the decek never played a full C-90 cassette deck but it had some damage due to nearly 10 years of no use. Well, I received the deck. Completely new with all original packaging materials, nak goodies and everything. Just as turning the time's clock back 20 years ago. Guess what ? Until today, nobody has been able to fix it correctly and te latest estimate to refurbish the whole shit in order to have it back to the original "as new" condition was $1,800.00 !!!!!!!!!! Go figure ... My advice: stay away from the ZXL's. Carlos The Tape man ----- Original Message ----- From: RTLehe at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 2:24 PM Subject: [naktalk] Unused Naks I have a question about the advisablility of buying Naks that have been unused for a long time. Lately it has been stated a few times that it is bad for Naks to go unused for extended periods of time. Occasionally one sees advertised Naks that have never been used at all or have been in storage for 10 years or more. Is it wise to avoid buying these on the grounds that they may have deteriorated by non-use. Is there a danger that critical and perhaps hard to replace parts may be damaged or subject to immanent damage? 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URL: g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2003\2003-12.txt ************************************************************************ From copytec at coqui.net Mon Dec 1 01:40:46 2003 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlitos Jr.) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 18:40:46 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for NAK References: <001201c3b744$f2870560$9bf4c1cf@jnorris.ttu.edu> Message-ID: <001f01c3b7a3$c32d8b40$9d773242@coqui.net> Sheffield Lab tapes were excellent ! Most of them were duplicated "real-time" on nakamichis MR-2's in California. Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael S. Yoder" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 7:22 AM Subject: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for NAK > For jazz, ECM cassettes generally are good, especially after about 1979 or > so. In fact, before buying my first CD player around 1990, at which time > vinyl was more and more difficult to get, I was buying strictly cassettes. > I found the ECM cassettes to be sonically on a par with vinyl, especially > considering that the latter has the occasional crackling and pops. I've > since been able to reduce LP surface noise with the Nitty Gritty record > cleaner, and am again buying vinyl when feasible. But, those mid- and > late-1980s ECM cassettes still sound great on the DR-3, and even better than > they did on the Denon deck I used until buying my DR-3 in the mid-1990s. > > Cheers, > Michael > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gerald G. > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Sunday, November 30, 2003 4:29 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for NAK > > > HI.many excellent regards to the great nak-talk "family".Although i have > an older c.d. /tape guide, i would like to find out the best clasical > and jazz tape that you all like. I have a couple of Blue Note Jazz > tapes,some R.C.A.Red Seal,some London F.F.R,and one Living Presecence. > Are these tapes analgous in quality to the fantastic vinyl production > from these same companies.Any others i might want to be aware of? > > thank you very much, > gerald > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From copytec at coqui.net Mon Dec 1 01:40:46 2003 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlitos Jr.) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 18:40:46 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for NAK References: <001201c3b744$f2870560$9bf4c1cf@jnorris.ttu.edu> Message-ID: <004801c3b7a4$8abf0580$9d773242@coqui.net> Sheffield Lab tapes were excellent ! Most of them were duplicated "real-time" on nakamichis MR-2's in California. Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael S. Yoder" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 7:22 AM Subject: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for NAK > For jazz, ECM cassettes generally are good, especially after about 1979 or > so. In fact, before buying my first CD player around 1990, at which time > vinyl was more and more difficult to get, I was buying strictly cassettes. > I found the ECM cassettes to be sonically on a par with vinyl, especially > considering that the latter has the occasional crackling and pops. I've > since been able to reduce LP surface noise with the Nitty Gritty record > cleaner, and am again buying vinyl when feasible. But, those mid- and > late-1980s ECM cassettes still sound great on the DR-3, and even better than > they did on the Denon deck I used until buying my DR-3 in the mid-1990s. > > Cheers, > Michael > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gerald G. > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Sunday, November 30, 2003 4:29 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for NAK > > > HI.many excellent regards to the great nak-talk "family".Although i have > an older c.d. /tape guide, i would like to find out the best clasical > and jazz tape that you all like. I have a couple of Blue Note Jazz > tapes,some R.C.A.Red Seal,some London F.F.R,and one Living Presecence. > Are these tapes analgous in quality to the fantastic vinyl production > from these same companies.Any others i might want to be aware of? > > thank you very much, > gerald > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From copytec at coqui.net Mon Dec 1 01:46:23 2003 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlitos Jr.) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 18:46:23 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Unused Naks References: <154.28c5cc05.2cfbabfb@aol.com> Message-ID: <005301c3b7a4$90cd5080$9d773242@coqui.net> I bought an almost "never used" 1000 ZXL from an estate sale in Florida. It claimed that the decek never played a full C-90 cassette deck but it had some damage due to nearly 10 years of no use. Well, I received the deck. Completely new with all original packaging materials, nak goodies and everything. Just as turning the time's clock back 20 years ago. Guess what ? Until today, nobody has been able to fix it correctly and te latest estimate to refurbish the whole shit in order to have it back to the original "as new" condition was $1,800.00 !!!!!!!!!! Go figure ... My advice: stay away from the ZXL's. Carlos The Tape man ----- Original Message ----- From: RTLehe at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 2:24 PM Subject: [naktalk] Unused Naks I have a question about the advisablility of buying Naks that have been unused for a long time. Lately it has been stated a few times that it is bad for Naks to go unused for extended periods of time. Occasionally one sees advertised Naks that have never been used at all or have been in storage for 10 years or more. Is it wise to avoid buying these on the grounds that they may have deteriorated by non-use. Is there a danger that critical and perhaps hard to replace parts may be damaged or subject to immanent damage? Tad ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stan.targowski at comcast.net Mon Dec 1 02:32:47 2003 From: stan.targowski at comcast.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 19:32:47 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for NAK In-Reply-To: <004801c3b7a4$8abf0580$9d773242@coqui.net> Message-ID: My recollection was that Sheffield Lab "Nakamichi Recordings" were using "real time" "specially tuned" ZX-9's ... Stan -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Carlitos Jr. Sent: Sun, November 30, 2003 6:41 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for NAK Sheffield Lab tapes were excellent ! Most of them were duplicated "real-time" on nakamichis MR-2's in California. Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael S. Yoder" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 7:22 AM Subject: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for NAK > For jazz, ECM cassettes generally are good, especially after about 1979 or > so. In fact, before buying my first CD player around 1990, at which time > vinyl was more and more difficult to get, I was buying strictly cassettes. > I found the ECM cassettes to be sonically on a par with vinyl, especially > considering that the latter has the occasional crackling and pops. I've > since been able to reduce LP surface noise with the Nitty Gritty record > cleaner, and am again buying vinyl when feasible. But, those mid- and > late-1980s ECM cassettes still sound great on the DR-3, and even better than > they did on the Denon deck I used until buying my DR-3 in the mid-1990s. > > Cheers, > Michael > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gerald G. > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Sunday, November 30, 2003 4:29 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for NAK > > > HI.many excellent regards to the great nak-talk "family".Although i have > an older c.d. /tape guide, i would like to find out the best clasical > and jazz tape that you all like. I have a couple of Blue Note Jazz > tapes,some R.C.A.Red Seal,some London F.F.R,and one Living Presecence. > Are these tapes analgous in quality to the fantastic vinyl production > from these same companies.Any others i might want to be aware of? > > thank you very much, > gerald > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From Sven.Schultz at t-online.de Tue Dec 2 20:06:25 2003 From: Sven.Schultz at t-online.de (Sven Schultz) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 20:06:25 +0100 Subject: AW: [naktalk] Unused Naks In-Reply-To: <005301c3b7a4$90cd5080$9d773242@coqui.net> Message-ID: <000f01c3b907$63532990$0100000a@amd1333> Hi carlos - I've the same problems with my 10 years "unused" LX5 - the sound from the Motors were like a motorsaw, the whole mechanical stuff is with resinious old oil of an "earlyer"check and service. Refurbish was inacceptable expensive - so I tried to live with this, wasting 270 Euro ... waiting for self-servicing ... something like a tape - "Titanic" hit by an service - iceberg ... This Nak (as yours) will be a spare parts store. regards Sven -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Im Auftrag von Carlitos Jr. Gesendet: Montag, 1. Dezember 2003 01:46 An: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Betreff: Re: [naktalk] Unused Naks I bought an almost "never used" 1000 ZXL from an estate sale in Florida. It claimed that the decek never played a full C-90 cassette deck but it had some damage due to nearly 10 years of no use. Well, I received the deck. Completely new with all original packaging materials, nak goodies and everything. Just as turning the time's clock back 20 years ago. Guess what ? Until today, nobody has been able to fix it correctly and te latest estimate to refurbish the whole shit in order to have it back to the original "as new" condition was $1,800.00 !!!!!!!!!! Go figure ... My advice: stay away from the ZXL's. Carlos The Tape man ----- Original Message ----- From: RTLehe at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 2:24 PM Subject: [naktalk] Unused Naks I have a question about the advisablility of buying Naks that have been unused for a long time. Lately it has been stated a few times that it is bad for Naks to go unused for extended periods of time. Occasionally one sees advertised Naks that have never been used at all or have been in storage for 10 years or more. Is it wise to avoid buying these on the grounds that they may have deteriorated by non-use. Is there a danger that critical and perhaps hard to replace parts may be damaged or subject to immanent damage? Tad _____ ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thsinclair at localdial.com Tue Dec 2 22:18:09 2003 From: thsinclair at localdial.com (Sinclair Forrest) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 21:18:09 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for NAK References: <006001c3b774$6623afd0$4c106343@johnnyrotten> Message-ID: <003001c3b919$ca0b1230$c48ee2c3@fredporter> Why not? Whilst not wanting to denigrate the Boult version in any way, there's nothing wrong with the Mehta. Sinclair ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Tooley" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 7:01 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for NAK > 10-4 on Boult/Planets, just don't buy it with Mehta! > > John T. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "neil lipes" > To: > Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 11:35 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for NAK > > > They are all great! > > The recording mixers of those days were the best..all the great labels had > greater men...RCA---Lew Layton, Decca/London--Kenny Wilkinson, EMI--I just > can not recall his name , but rest assured the real EMI's were fantastic... > Try and get a clean copy of Holsts The Planets conducted by Sir Adrian Boult > on early stereo pressing..talk about a visceral charge, WOW! > > Neil > > > > >From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.) > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for NAK > >Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 10:37:28 -0600 (CST) > > > >HI.many excellent regards to the great nak-talk "family".Although i have > >an older c.d. /tape guide, i would like to find out the best clasical > >and jazz tape that you all like. I have a couple of Blue Note Jazz > >tapes,some R.C.A.Red Seal,some London F.F.R,and one Living Presecence. > >Are these tapes analgous in quality to the fantastic vinyl production > >from these same companies.Any others i might want to be aware of? > > > >thank you very much, > >gerald > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > _________________________________________________________________ > >From the hottest toys to tips on keeping fit this winter, you'll find a > range of helpful holiday info here. > http://special.msn.com/network/happyholidays.armx > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From thsinclair at localdial.com Tue Dec 2 22:23:30 2003 From: thsinclair at localdial.com (Sinclair Forrest) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 21:23:30 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for NAK References: <001201c3b744$f2870560$9bf4c1cf@jnorris.ttu.edu> <001f01c3b7a3$c32d8b40$9d773242@coqui.net> Message-ID: <004901c3b91a$88ffce60$c48ee2c3@fredporter> Never tried them. Had a couple of Sheffield Labs direct cut vinyl lps, which were superb. If only the major record labels had spent more time and effort when duplicating cassettes instead of the grotty tape loop bin stick it in a shit shell effort. Mind you, if they had all been like the Sheffield ones, there would not have been as much call for the Dragon... Sinclair ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carlitos Jr." To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 12:40 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for NAK > Sheffield Lab tapes were excellent ! Most of them were duplicated > "real-time" on nakamichis MR-2's in California. > > Carlos > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael S. Yoder" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 7:22 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for NAK > > > > For jazz, ECM cassettes generally are good, especially after about 1979 or > > so. In fact, before buying my first CD player around 1990, at which time > > vinyl was more and more difficult to get, I was buying strictly cassettes. > > I found the ECM cassettes to be sonically on a par with vinyl, especially > > considering that the latter has the occasional crackling and pops. I've > > since been able to reduce LP surface noise with the Nitty Gritty record > > cleaner, and am again buying vinyl when feasible. But, those mid- and > > late-1980s ECM cassettes still sound great on the DR-3, and even better > than > > they did on the Denon deck I used until buying my DR-3 in the mid-1990s. > > > > Cheers, > > Michael > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Gerald G. > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Date: Sunday, November 30, 2003 4:29 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for NAK > > > > > > HI.many excellent regards to the great nak-talk "family".Although i have > > an older c.d. /tape guide, i would like to find out the best clasical > > and jazz tape that you all like. I have a couple of Blue Note Jazz > > tapes,some R.C.A.Red Seal,some London F.F.R,and one Living Presecence. > > Are these tapes analgous in quality to the fantastic vinyl production > > from these same companies.Any others i might want to be aware of? > > > > thank you very much, > > gerald > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Wed Dec 3 07:27:17 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 08:27:17 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for NAK: Dragon not essential!! Message-ID: I have several recordings done from Sheffield Labs albums, both classical and contemporary music. The chain included Linn Sondek, Ekos Arm, Troika cartridge>Nakamichi 682ZX onto Maxell MX (Dolby C). I can assure you, you do not need a Dragon to get knockout results. These tapes are breathtaking!! Cheers, Marc The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From gene3210123 at hotmail.com Wed Dec 3 03:02:45 2003 From: gene3210123 at hotmail.com (Gene Lambert) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 18:02:45 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 682 ZX Questions Message-ID: Hello; I have a 682ZX, and no instruction manual. (I hve ordered one from the net). I have a couple of questions on some buttons and usage I hope someone can help me with. Auto cal aizumith/level button Does it change the azimuth by motor? I see adj wheels for what appears to be the playback and record heads, is this right? How do you adjust the bias? I notice two adjustments, but am unsure how it is done properly on this deck. Inside the unit are two things that might answer some of my questions. there are two motor-driven devices on the main circuit board, one says "Autolevel calibration unit, the other is un-named but has a blue plastic "ladder" that has a metal strip going between it and the movable head block. I have seen neither work when I use any of the buttons, including the "auto Cal Azimuth/level button. Perhaps the deck has a problem? Thanks for any help. Gene Lambert _________________________________________________________________ Take advantage of our best MSN Dial-up offer of the year � six months @$9.95/month. Sign up now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup From jberger at well.com Tue Dec 2 23:58:20 2003 From: jberger at well.com (John Berger) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 14:58:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Odd CR-7 behavior Message-ID: Last night I popped a tape into my CR-7 (which had been sitting idle for a couple of months). I fast-forwarded the tape, and after it stopped, I noticed that the LED's on the REW, PLAY, FF, PA USE, and STOP were all lit up. I rewound the tape, same behavior. When I pressed PLAY, the tape didn't move in the transport (as I recall, it sounded like the heads did move up); after a few seconds it returned to the lights-on condition above. Any pointers on where to start? Thanks! John From jmtooley at ce.net Wed Dec 3 01:49:07 2003 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 19:49:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for NAK References: <006001c3b774$6623afd0$4c106343@johnnyrotten> <003001c3b919$ca0b1230$c48ee2c3@fredporter> Message-ID: <000c01c3b937$41faef50$79106343@johnnyrotten> When I heard it years ago I couldn't believe it, maybe it's being a limey thing with the Holst, Boult, LSO connection. Mehta's version, to me, just didn't have it! I had it, with Mehta, on a London reel to reel tape. I must drag it out and try again. John T. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sinclair Forrest" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 4:18 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for NAK Why not? Whilst not wanting to denigrate the Boult version in any way, there's nothing wrong with the Mehta. Sinclair ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Tooley" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 7:01 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for NAK > 10-4 on Boult/Planets, just don't buy it with Mehta! > > John T. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "neil lipes" > To: > Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 11:35 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for NAK > > > They are all great! > > The recording mixers of those days were the best..all the great labels had > greater men...RCA---Lew Layton, Decca/London--Kenny Wilkinson, EMI--I just > can not recall his name , but rest assured the real EMI's were fantastic... > Try and get a clean copy of Holsts The Planets conducted by Sir Adrian Boult > on early stereo pressing..talk about a visceral charge, WOW! > > Neil > > > > >From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.) > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for NAK > >Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 10:37:28 -0600 (CST) > > > >HI.many excellent regards to the great nak-talk "family".Although i have > >an older c.d. /tape guide, i would like to find out the best clasical > >and jazz tape that you all like. I have a couple of Blue Note Jazz > >tapes,some R.C.A.Red Seal,some London F.F.R,and one Living Presecence. > >Are these tapes analgous in quality to the fantastic vinyl production > >from these same companies.Any others i might want to be aware of? > > > >thank you very much, > >gerald > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > _________________________________________________________________ > >From the hottest toys to tips on keeping fit this winter, you'll find a > range of helpful holiday info here. > http://special.msn.com/network/happyholidays.armx > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Tue Dec 2 23:38:50 2003 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 17:38:50 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for NAK Message-ID: Sinclair: Their are conductors, and then there are CONDUCTORS! If you wanted stereo readings of the Beethoven symphonies, there are none finer than the Decca pressings of Hans Schmidt-Isserstedt.NONE! English string music...or maybe Sibelius..? Then in my opinion I would turn to (Sir) John Barbirolli. We all have favorites..but we must admit that like everything in life...we have good and we have non-pariel(sp). Neil >From: "Sinclair Forrest" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for NAK >Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 21:18:09 -0000 > >Why not? Whilst not wanting to denigrate the Boult version in any way, >there's nothing wrong with the Mehta. > >Sinclair >----- Original Message ----- >From: "John M. Tooley" >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 7:01 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for NAK > > > > 10-4 on Boult/Planets, just don't buy it with Mehta! > > > > John T. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "neil lipes" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 11:35 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for NAK > > > > > > They are all great! > > > > The recording mixers of those days were the best..all the great labels >had > > greater men...RCA---Lew Layton, Decca/London--Kenny Wilkinson, EMI--I >just > > can not recall his name , but rest assured the real EMI's were >fantastic... > > Try and get a clean copy of Holsts The Planets conducted by Sir Adrian >Boult > > on early stereo pressing..talk about a visceral charge, WOW! > > > > Neil > > > > > > > > >From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.) > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: naktalk at naks.com > > >Subject: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for NAK > > >Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 10:37:28 -0600 (CST) > > > > > >HI.many excellent regards to the great nak-talk "family".Although i >have > > >an older c.d. /tape guide, i would like to find out the best clasical > > >and jazz tape that you all like. I have a couple of Blue Note Jazz > > >tapes,some R.C.A.Red Seal,some London F.F.R,and one Living Presecence. > > >Are these tapes analgous in quality to the fantastic vinyl production > > >from these same companies.Any others i might want to be aware of? > > > > > >thank you very much, > > >gerald > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > >From the hottest toys to tips on keeping fit this winter, you'll find a > > range of helpful holiday info here. > > http://special.msn.com/network/happyholidays.armx > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Say �goodbye� to busy signals and slow downloads with a high-speed Internet connection! Prices start at less than $1 a day average. https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.) From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue Dec 2 23:30:13 2003 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 14:30:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for NAK In-Reply-To: <004901c3b91a$88ffce60$c48ee2c3@fredporter> Message-ID: <20031202223013.23569.qmail@web40407.mail.yahoo.com> I have one of those Sheffield Labs tapes too. If I remember right I got it for free when I bought my BX-300. Creme de la Creme was the name. It was a selected works tape of other albums. I think the brochure said they were recorded using Specially Tuned ZX-9's and not 2-head MR-2's. This tape sounds fantastic! I often use it as my reference standard for testing speakers or headphones. There is a company in Woodland Hills, CA that used to duplicate tapes using modified MR-1's. They were modified to the newer rec/play equalization using mods from Dolby Labs, not Nak's mods used in the MR-1B. Dolby encoding was done with a professional rack mount Dolby Labs encoder with a Dolby B board in it and that signal was amplified and distributed to 120 decks. I know this because I bought the systems, but, only got 109 decks, 9 19" racks, 10 distribution amplfiers, two DAT decks and tons of cables. These guys did a great job of keeping these decks in good condition. They wrote on the back of the decks when the last lube was performed and if anything was replaced and when. Oh and the best part is every single one of them has the gear idler installed at the factory. --- Sinclair Forrest wrote: > Never tried them. Had a couple of Sheffield Labs > direct cut vinyl lps, > which were superb. If only the major record labels > had spent more time and > effort when duplicating cassettes instead of the > grotty tape loop bin stick > it in a shit shell effort. Mind you, if they had > all been like the > Sheffield ones, there would not have been as much > call for the Dragon... > > Sinclair > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carlitos Jr." > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 12:40 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for > NAK > > > > Sheffield Lab tapes were excellent ! Most of them > were duplicated > > "real-time" on nakamichis MR-2's in California. > > > > Carlos > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Michael S. Yoder" > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 7:22 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for NAK > > > > > > > For jazz, ECM cassettes generally are good, > especially after about 1979 > or > > > so. In fact, before buying my first CD player > around 1990, at which > time > > > vinyl was more and more difficult to get, I was > buying strictly > cassettes. > > > I found the ECM cassettes to be sonically on a > par with vinyl, > especially > > > considering that the latter has the occasional > crackling and pops. I've > > > since been able to reduce LP surface noise with > the Nitty Gritty record > > > cleaner, and am again buying vinyl when > feasible. But, those mid- and > > > late-1980s ECM cassettes still sound great on > the DR-3, and even better > > than > > > they did on the Denon deck I used until buying > my DR-3 in the mid-1990s. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Michael > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Gerald G. > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Date: Sunday, November 30, 2003 4:29 AM > > > Subject: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for > NAK > > > > > > > > > HI.many excellent regards to the great nak-talk > "family".Although i have > > > an older c.d. /tape guide, i would like to find > out the best clasical > > > and jazz tape that you all like. I have a couple > of Blue Note Jazz > > > tapes,some R.C.A.Red Seal,some London F.F.R,and > one Living Presecence. > > > Are these tapes analgous in quality to the > fantastic vinyl production > > > from these same companies.Any others i might > want to be aware of? > > > > > > thank you very much, > > > gerald > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From RTLehe at aol.com Tue Dec 2 22:37:15 2003 From: RTLehe at aol.com (RTLehe at aol.com) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 16:37:15 -0500 Subject: AW: [naktalk] Unused Naks Message-ID: <52CC6BC5.76B6BE02.0004E774@aol.com> Well, perhaps unwisely, I went ahead and took a chance and bid on ebay and yesterday won a DR-3 that was said to be never used. It was described as in perfect condition, having been taken out of the box only to test before selling. I got it for $83 plus $15 for shipping. Perhaps I should have been suspicious since only one other person bid on it. There was also an "immaculate" and "like new" DR-8 that went the same day for $75 and attracted 13 bids. The DR-3 seemed like a good deal if it really is as new and suffers no ill effects from years of sitting in the box. In email correspondence the seller said there was no evidence of any problem with the deck as a result of unuse. Part of my thinking was that a DR-3 has a much simpler transport than the 20+ year old ZXs and might not be as vulnerable to ill effects. I will let you know if I find any creaky joints. Tad From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Wed Dec 3 09:42:14 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 10:42:14 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for NAK Message-ID: I have a few Zubin Mehta recordings, the best of which is probably his Beethoven PC 3 with Radu Lupu on piano and the Israel Philharmonic. Great job, definitely, with no heel dragging and schmaltz!! Vinyl copy. Whoever wants a Nak copy, buzz me on naktree...... Cheers, Marc The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. 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If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From slms100 at compuserve.com Wed Dec 3 10:59:36 2003 From: slms100 at compuserve.com (Sven L.M. Schroeder) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 09:59:36 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Odd CR-7 behavior In-Reply-To: <200312030925.hB39PbG2022346@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: John I had similar behaviour with my CR7 recently (but I also had all the lights flashing...). The first time the problem disappeared again within an hour or so, but then it became more frequent, until nothing moved anymore. It turned out that the motor moving the heads was knackered. Maybe this helps... Sven -- Sven L.M. Schroeder (mailto:sven.schroeder at gnomikos.com) 224 Stockport Road, Marple, Cheshire, SK6 6EY, United Kingdom Tel +44 (161) 427 2876 Fax +44 (161) 200 4399 > Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 14:58:20 -0800 (PST) > From: John Berger > Subject: [naktalk] Odd CR-7 behavior > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > Last night I popped a tape into my CR-7 (which had been sitting idle for a > couple of months). I fast-forwarded the tape, and after it stopped, I > noticed that the LED's on the REW, PLAY, FF, PA > USE, and STOP were all lit up. I rewound the tape, same behavior. When I > pressed PLAY, the tape didn't move in the transport (as I recall, it > sounded like the heads did move up); after a few seconds it returned to > the lights-on condition above. > > Any pointers on where to start? > > Thanks! > John --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.545 / Virus Database: 339 - Release Date: 27/11/2003 From yumanhing at netvigator.com Wed Dec 3 11:45:31 2003 From: yumanhing at netvigator.com (Hing) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 18:45:31 +0800 Subject: [naktalk] SONIC DIFFERENCES BETWEEN NAKAMICHI DRAGON & CR-7 CASSETTE DECKS Message-ID: <002101c3b98a$9486e640$0202a8c0@USER> Hello All Since my Nakamichi Dragon & CR-7 cassette decks had not been used for a while, I decided to record and playback a batch of same music (mainly pop music in the 1980's and 1990's) so as to identify their performance differences. My overall impression on their sonic quality differences are as follow : A. RECORDING 1. Nakamichi Dragon - The overall recorded sound and dynamic are very good. However, there are some of its own characters such that its recording tend to emphasize on bass and mid-range warmth with some roll off in extreme treble. The overall focus, particularly in the bass and treble regions, as well as the overall soundstage, seem to dilute to a certain extent when compared with the original CD sound. All of the above characters seem to contribute to a very moderate darkness to the recorded sound. Overall, the recorded music from the Dragon is not as close to the original CD sound as that of the CR-7. 2. Nakamichi CR-7 - The overall recorded sound is a little better than that of Dragon. Its recorded sound has more balance frequency response, retained more soundstage and space than that of the Dragon. In particular, the overall focus of bass and trebles region are sharper, which probably contribute to more snappy dynamic and transient performance of all music. Since its mid-range warmth is not as much emphasized as that of the Dragon, the CR-7 tends to have better overall clarity. Overall, the recorded music on CR-7 sounds closer to that of the original CD sound than that of the Dragon. B. PLAYBACK 1. Nakamichi Dragon - The playback sound is very balance with no lack of extreme bass and treble, while preserving the mid-range warmth and most of the dynamic punch of the original CD sound. 2. Nakamichi CR-7 - The playback sound is very similar to that of Dragon, except that its presentation of mid-range warmth is a little lean. Overall, the main sonic characters that differentiate between Dragon and CR-7 are in areas of recording quality, while I feel that the CR-7 copies the music from the CD better than that of the Dragon. In playback modes, they share very similar quality and there is not much difference between them although the NAAC available in Dragon seem to work in its favor. Despite the aforementioned differences, both of these cassette decks perform very good by all means, and their differences can only be highlited in a high resolution system, perferrably through a pair of headphones, which I had been using for most of the time to perform this testing!!! As good as the CR-7 can get in areas of recording, it still falls a little short on overall focus, dynamic snap, and soundstage clarity when compared with the CD. However, these shortfall are very minor and its recording is still very close to the original!!! My system is as follow : 1. CD Player : Marantz CD-7 2. Pre-Amp : Audio Synthesis Passion Passive Pre-amp 3. Power-Amp : Conrad Johnson MV60SE 4. Spekers : Sonus Faber Signum 5. Headphone : Grado RS-1 with Naim Headline Headphone Amplifier (with Hi-Cap Power Supply) 6. Cable : Van Den Hul The First Ultimate (CD > Cassette), Van Den Hul The Firest (Cassette > Pre-Amp), Van Den Hul The Integration Hybrid (Pre-Amp > Power Amp), Van Den Hul Inspiration Hybrid (Power Amp > Speakers), and original Naim Cable (Cassette > Headphone Amp) 7. Tapes : TDK MA and MA-XG Your views/opinions are very welcome! Best regards Hing E-Mail : yumanhing at netvigator.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From g_valkov at hotmail.com Wed Dec 3 14:09:49 2003 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 15:09:49 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] SONIC DIFFERENCES BETWEEN NAKAMICHI DRAGON & CR-7CASSETTE DECKS Message-ID: Hi Hing, Did you try playback of material recorded on the CR7 on the Dragon and vice versa ? Rgds George ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Hing" Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks To: Subject: [naktalk] SONIC DIFFERENCES BETWEEN NAKAMICHI DRAGON & CR-7CASSETTE DECKS Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 18:45:31 +0800 Hello All Since my Nakamichi Dragon & CR-7 cassette decks had not been used for a while, I decided to record and playback a batch of same music (mainly pop music in the 1980's and 1990's) so as to identify their performance differences. My overall impression on their sonic quality differences are as follow : A. RECORDING 1. Nakamichi Dragon - The overall recorded sound and dynamic are very good. However, there are some of its own characters such that its recording tend to emphasize on bass and mid-range warmth with some roll off in extreme treble. The overall focus, particularly in the bass and treble regions, as well as the overall soundstage, seem to dilute to a certain extent when compared with the original CD sound. All of the above characters seem to contribute to a very moderate darkness to the recorded sound. Overall, the recorded music from the Dragon is not as close to the original CD sound as that of the CR-7. 2. Nakamichi CR-7 - The overall recorded sound is a little better than that of Dragon. Its recorded sound has more balance frequency response, retained more soundstage and space than that of the Dragon. In particular, the overall focus of bass and trebles region are sharper, which probably contribute to more snappy dynamic and transient performance of all music. Since its mid-range warmth is not as much emphasized as that of the Dragon, the CR-7 tends to have better overall clarity. Overall, the recorded music on CR-7 sounds closer to that of the original CD sound than that of the Dragon. B. PLAYBACK 1. Nakamichi Dragon - The playback sound is very balance with no lack of extreme bass and treble, while preserving the mid-range warmth and most of the dynamic punch of the original CD sound. 2. Nakamichi CR-7 - The playback sound is very similar to that of Dragon, except that its presentation of mid-range warmth is a little lean. Overall, the main sonic characters that differentiate between Dragon and CR-7 are in areas of recording quality, while I feel that the CR-7 copies the music from the CD better than that of the Dragon. In playback modes, they share very similar quality and there is not much difference between them although the NAAC available in Dragon seem to work in its favor. Despite the aforementioned differences, both of these cassette decks perform very good by all means, and their differences can only be highlited in a high resolution system, perferrably through a pair of headphones, which I had been using for most of the time to perform this testing!!! As good as the CR-7 can get in areas of recording, it still falls a little short on overall focus, dynamic snap, and soundstage clarity when compared with the CD. However, these shortfall are very minor and its recording is still very close to the original!!! My system is as follow : 1. CD Player : Marantz CD-7 2. Pre-Amp : Audio Synthesis Passion Passive Pre-amp 3. Power-Amp : Conrad Johnson MV60SE 4. Spekers : Sonus Faber Signum 5. Headphone : Grado RS-1 with Naim Headline Headphone Amplifier (with Hi-Cap Power Supply) 6. Cable : Van Den Hul The First Ultimate (CD > Cassette), Van Den Hul The Firest (Cassette > Pre-Amp), Van Den Hul The Integration Hybrid (Pre-Amp > Power Amp), Van Den Hul Inspiration Hybrid (Power Amp > Speakers), and original Naim Cable (Cassette > Headphone Amp) 7. Tapes : TDK MA and MA-XG Your views/opinions are very welcome! Best regards Hing E-Mail : yumanhing at netvigator.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Wed Dec 3 15:20:52 2003 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 09:20:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for NAK Message-ID: Back in the day, I purchased three 505s, one for me , one for my sister, and one for my cousin...no I did not treat them...they paid for theirs! Packed in those decks was a tape of "The Sound Of Nakamichi". Which contained music form the following labels: GRP Records Sheffield Lab A&M Records Delos Records Telarc Records Side one was entirely music...side two was music AND!!!...the following!!..Three "tests". !. Channel Identification 2. Channel Balance and Speaker Phasing 3. High Frequency Ootput There were on TDK Metal tape (70us) Manufactured by Pacific Cassette Laboratories I have two copies..one unopened...maybe E-Bay bound..also have discount tickets to purchase these tapes. Hopefully many of you out there have these wonderful specimens! And yes, you do not NEED a Dragon to get a big KICK out of them. Neil Lipes >From: Scott Johnson >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for NAK >Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 14:30:13 -0800 (PST) > >I have one of those Sheffield Labs tapes too. If I >remember right I got it for free when I bought my >BX-300. Creme de la Creme was the name. It was a >selected works tape of other albums. I think the >brochure said they were recorded using Specially Tuned >ZX-9's and not 2-head MR-2's. This tape sounds >fantastic! I often use it as my reference standard >for testing speakers or headphones. > >There is a company in Woodland Hills, CA that used to >duplicate tapes using modified MR-1's. They were >modified to the newer rec/play equalization using mods >from Dolby Labs, not Nak's mods used in the MR-1B. >Dolby encoding was done with a professional rack mount >Dolby Labs encoder with a Dolby B board in it and that >signal was amplified and distributed to 120 decks. I >know this because I bought the systems, but, only got >109 decks, 9 19" racks, 10 distribution amplfiers, >two DAT decks and tons of cables. These guys did a >great job of keeping these decks in good condition. >They wrote on the back of the decks when the last lube >was performed and if anything was replaced and when. >Oh and the best part is every single one of them has >the gear idler installed at the factory. > >--- Sinclair Forrest wrote: > > Never tried them. Had a couple of Sheffield Labs > > direct cut vinyl lps, > > which were superb. If only the major record labels > > had spent more time and > > effort when duplicating cassettes instead of the > > grotty tape loop bin stick > > it in a shit shell effort. Mind you, if they had > > all been like the > > Sheffield ones, there would not have been as much > > call for the Dragon... > > > > Sinclair > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Carlitos Jr." > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 12:40 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for > > NAK > > > > > > > Sheffield Lab tapes were excellent ! Most of them > > were duplicated > > > "real-time" on nakamichis MR-2's in California. > > > > > > Carlos > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Michael S. Yoder" > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > > > Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 7:22 AM > > > Subject: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for NAK > > > > > > > > > > For jazz, ECM cassettes generally are good, > > especially after about 1979 > > or > > > > so. In fact, before buying my first CD player > > around 1990, at which > > time > > > > vinyl was more and more difficult to get, I was > > buying strictly > > cassettes. > > > > I found the ECM cassettes to be sonically on a > > par with vinyl, > > especially > > > > considering that the latter has the occasional > > crackling and pops. I've > > > > since been able to reduce LP surface noise with > > the Nitty Gritty record > > > > cleaner, and am again buying vinyl when > > feasible. But, those mid- and > > > > late-1980s ECM cassettes still sound great on > > the DR-3, and even better > > > than > > > > they did on the Denon deck I used until buying > > my DR-3 in the mid-1990s. > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Gerald G. > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Date: Sunday, November 30, 2003 4:29 AM > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for > > NAK > > > > > > > > > > > > HI.many excellent regards to the great nak-talk > > "family".Although i have > > > > an older c.d. /tape guide, i would like to find > > out the best clasical > > > > and jazz tape that you all like. I have a couple > > of Blue Note Jazz > > > > tapes,some R.C.A.Red Seal,some London F.F.R,and > > one Living Presecence. > > > > Are these tapes analgous in quality to the > > fantastic vinyl production > > > > from these same companies.Any others i might > > want to be aware of? > > > > > > > > thank you very much, > > > > gerald > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com > > mailinglist > > > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com > > mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Take advantage of our best MSN Dial-up offer of the year � six months @$9.95/month. Sign up now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Wed Dec 3 15:27:21 2003 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 09:27:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for NAK Message-ID: Save for "Lennie" conducting Mahler..Englishmen should conduct Englishmen! I personally can not "see" Mehta... Could you imagine him conducting the great Elgar? Neil >From: "John M. Tooley" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for NAK >Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 19:49:07 -0500 > >When I heard it years ago I couldn't believe it, maybe it's being a limey >thing with the Holst, Boult, LSO connection. Mehta's version, to me, just >didn't have it! I had it, with Mehta, on a London reel to reel tape. I must >drag it out and try again. > >John T. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Sinclair Forrest" >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 4:18 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for NAK > > >Why not? Whilst not wanting to denigrate the Boult version in any way, >there's nothing wrong with the Mehta. > >Sinclair >----- Original Message ----- >From: "John M. Tooley" >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 7:01 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for NAK > > > > 10-4 on Boult/Planets, just don't buy it with Mehta! > > > > John T. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "neil lipes" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 11:35 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for NAK > > > > > > They are all great! > > > > The recording mixers of those days were the best..all the great labels >had > > greater men...RCA---Lew Layton, Decca/London--Kenny Wilkinson, EMI--I >just > > can not recall his name , but rest assured the real EMI's were >fantastic... > > Try and get a clean copy of Holsts The Planets conducted by Sir Adrian >Boult > > on early stereo pressing..talk about a visceral charge, WOW! > > > > Neil > > > > > > > > >From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.) > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: naktalk at naks.com > > >Subject: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for NAK > > >Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 10:37:28 -0600 (CST) > > > > > >HI.many excellent regards to the great nak-talk "family".Although i >have > > >an older c.d. /tape guide, i would like to find out the best clasical > > >and jazz tape that you all like. I have a couple of Blue Note Jazz > > >tapes,some R.C.A.Red Seal,some London F.F.R,and one Living Presecence. > > >Are these tapes analgous in quality to the fantastic vinyl production > > >from these same companies.Any others i might want to be aware of? > > > > > >thank you very much, > > >gerald > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > >From the hottest toys to tips on keeping fit this winter, you'll find a > > range of helpful holiday info here. > > http://special.msn.com/network/happyholidays.armx > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Our best dial-up offer is back. Get MSN Dial-up Internet Service for 6 months @ $9.95/month now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup From copytec at coqui.net Wed Dec 3 23:31:08 2003 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlitos Jr.) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 16:31:08 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for NAK References: Message-ID: <004001c3b9ed$26e47540$88773242@coqui.net> Those were the latest volumes. At the beginning they sub-contract to AAPEX in Los Angeles. 103 MR-2's. Then Nakamichi came with their own room. Jeff Galin still have some of those ZX-9's for sale ... Another big duplication room were in England: "The Pink Room" with over 100 RX-505. Then, in MA, there was an operation of 200 Revox B-215's . They went broke ... Remember, I was in that business for 10 years ... Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Targowski" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 7:32 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for NAK > My recollection was that Sheffield Lab "Nakamichi Recordings" were using > "real time" "specially tuned" ZX-9's ... > > Stan > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Carlitos Jr. > Sent: Sun, November 30, 2003 6:41 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for NAK > > > Sheffield Lab tapes were excellent ! Most of them were duplicated > "real-time" on nakamichis MR-2's in California. > > Carlos > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael S. Yoder" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 7:22 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for NAK > > > > For jazz, ECM cassettes generally are good, especially after about 1979 or > > so. In fact, before buying my first CD player around 1990, at which time > > vinyl was more and more difficult to get, I was buying strictly cassettes. > > I found the ECM cassettes to be sonically on a par with vinyl, especially > > considering that the latter has the occasional crackling and pops. I've > > since been able to reduce LP surface noise with the Nitty Gritty record > > cleaner, and am again buying vinyl when feasible. But, those mid- and > > late-1980s ECM cassettes still sound great on the DR-3, and even better > than > > they did on the Denon deck I used until buying my DR-3 in the mid-1990s. > > > > Cheers, > > Michael > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Gerald G. > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Date: Sunday, November 30, 2003 4:29 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for NAK > > > > > > HI.many excellent regards to the great nak-talk "family".Although i have > > an older c.d. /tape guide, i would like to find out the best clasical > > and jazz tape that you all like. I have a couple of Blue Note Jazz > > tapes,some R.C.A.Red Seal,some London F.F.R,and one Living Presecence. > > Are these tapes analgous in quality to the fantastic vinyl production > > from these same companies.Any others i might want to be aware of? > > > > thank you very much, > > gerald > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From copytec at coqui.net Wed Dec 3 23:33:20 2003 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlitos Jr.) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 16:33:20 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for NAK References: <001201c3b744$f2870560$9bf4c1cf@jnorris.ttu.edu><001f01c3b7a3$c32d8b40$9d773242@coqui.net> <004901c3b91a$88ffce60$c48ee2c3@fredporter> Message-ID: <005c01c3b9ed$74c71e20$88773242@coqui.net> I agree with you. The latest developments in digital bin loops using Shape mark 10 shells with cobalt tape, arrived too late. The latest generations sounded great, specifically those using Lyrec duplicators with Dolby HX-PRO. Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sinclair Forrest" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for NAK > Never tried them. Had a couple of Sheffield Labs direct cut vinyl lps, > which were superb. If only the major record labels had spent more time and > effort when duplicating cassettes instead of the grotty tape loop bin stick > it in a shit shell effort. Mind you, if they had all been like the > Sheffield ones, there would not have been as much call for the Dragon... > > Sinclair > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carlitos Jr." > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 12:40 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for NAK > > > > Sheffield Lab tapes were excellent ! Most of them were duplicated > > "real-time" on nakamichis MR-2's in California. > > > > Carlos > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Michael S. Yoder" > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 7:22 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for NAK > > > > > > > For jazz, ECM cassettes generally are good, especially after about 1979 > or > > > so. In fact, before buying my first CD player around 1990, at which > time > > > vinyl was more and more difficult to get, I was buying strictly > cassettes. > > > I found the ECM cassettes to be sonically on a par with vinyl, > especially > > > considering that the latter has the occasional crackling and pops. I've > > > since been able to reduce LP surface noise with the Nitty Gritty record > > > cleaner, and am again buying vinyl when feasible. But, those mid- and > > > late-1980s ECM cassettes still sound great on the DR-3, and even better > > than > > > they did on the Denon deck I used until buying my DR-3 in the mid-1990s. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Michael > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Gerald G. > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Date: Sunday, November 30, 2003 4:29 AM > > > Subject: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for NAK > > > > > > > > > HI.many excellent regards to the great nak-talk "family".Although i have > > > an older c.d. /tape guide, i would like to find out the best clasical > > > and jazz tape that you all like. I have a couple of Blue Note Jazz > > > tapes,some R.C.A.Red Seal,some London F.F.R,and one Living Presecence. > > > Are these tapes analgous in quality to the fantastic vinyl production > > > from these same companies.Any others i might want to be aware of? > > > > > > thank you very much, > > > gerald > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From vferdman at yahoo.com Wed Dec 3 19:18:36 2003 From: vferdman at yahoo.com (Vladimir Ferdman) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 10:18:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Where to get good blank tapes these days? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031203181836.39977.qmail@web10406.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, all. Well, what with a couple of Naks coming to me soon (one for me and one for a friend), I've been trying to get a few good blank tapes. I did not realize how few varieties tapes are sold thse days. True, the format is probably going the way of vinyl, but there are still enthusiasts out there aren't there? So, my question is where do I get high bias TDK tapes? I understand that most if not all Naks are fine-tuned for the bias of the TDK tapes. I always preferred TDK tapes back inthe day and have quite a fe wold ones laying around. Can I reuse those? Is there any deterioration to a TDK tape in say 10-15 years? Where to buy new ones? Should I go for metal or chrome will do just fine? I used to not splurge onmetal in the old days, but then again, I did not have a Nak. Please advise. Best to all, Vladimir __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From macses at comcast.net Wed Dec 3 20:35:41 2003 From: macses at comcast.net (Comcast Mail) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 11:35:41 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for NAK References: Message-ID: <001501c3b9d4$a3160340$746ae70c@stevexp1> I have the same tape your talking about "the Sound of Nakamichi" picked it up at a thrift store and was amazed at the sound reproduction. I have used it to test the two CR's I own and found some major differences between the two, leading me to belive its time for some maintence on one of them. I also used it in my car cassette player and impressed several people with the sound quility it provided. Steven Schmidt ----- Original Message ----- From: "neil lipes" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 6:20 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for NAK > Back in the day, I purchased three 505s, one for me , one for my sister, and > one for my cousin...no I did not treat them...they paid for theirs! > > Packed in those decks was a tape of "The Sound Of Nakamichi". Which > contained music form the following labels: > > GRP Records > Sheffield Lab > A&M Records > Delos Records > Telarc Records > > Side one was entirely music...side two was music AND!!!...the > following!!..Three "tests". > > !. Channel Identification > 2. Channel Balance and Speaker Phasing > 3. High Frequency Ootput > > There were on TDK Metal tape (70us) > > Manufactured by Pacific Cassette Laboratories > > I have two copies..one unopened...maybe E-Bay bound..also have discount > tickets to purchase these tapes. > > Hopefully many of you out there have these wonderful specimens! > > And yes, you do not NEED a Dragon to get a big KICK out of them. > > Neil Lipes > > > > > >From: Scott Johnson > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for NAK > >Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 14:30:13 -0800 (PST) > > > >I have one of those Sheffield Labs tapes too. If I > >remember right I got it for free when I bought my > >BX-300. Creme de la Creme was the name. It was a > >selected works tape of other albums. I think the > >brochure said they were recorded using Specially Tuned > >ZX-9's and not 2-head MR-2's. This tape sounds > >fantastic! I often use it as my reference standard > >for testing speakers or headphones. > > > >There is a company in Woodland Hills, CA that used to > >duplicate tapes using modified MR-1's. They were > >modified to the newer rec/play equalization using mods > >from Dolby Labs, not Nak's mods used in the MR-1B. > >Dolby encoding was done with a professional rack mount > >Dolby Labs encoder with a Dolby B board in it and that > >signal was amplified and distributed to 120 decks. I > >know this because I bought the systems, but, only got > >109 decks, 9 19" racks, 10 distribution amplfiers, > >two DAT decks and tons of cables. These guys did a > >great job of keeping these decks in good condition. > >They wrote on the back of the decks when the last lube > >was performed and if anything was replaced and when. > >Oh and the best part is every single one of them has > >the gear idler installed at the factory. > > > >--- Sinclair Forrest wrote: > > > Never tried them. Had a couple of Sheffield Labs > > > direct cut vinyl lps, > > > which were superb. If only the major record labels > > > had spent more time and > > > effort when duplicating cassettes instead of the > > > grotty tape loop bin stick > > > it in a shit shell effort. Mind you, if they had > > > all been like the > > > Sheffield ones, there would not have been as much > > > call for the Dragon... > > > > > > Sinclair > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Carlitos Jr." > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > > > > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 12:40 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for > > > NAK > > > > > > > > > > Sheffield Lab tapes were excellent ! Most of them > > > were duplicated > > > > "real-time" on nakamichis MR-2's in California. > > > > > > > > Carlos > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Michael S. Yoder" > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 7:22 AM > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for NAK > > > > > > > > > > > > > For jazz, ECM cassettes generally are good, > > > especially after about 1979 > > > or > > > > > so. In fact, before buying my first CD player > > > around 1990, at which > > > time > > > > > vinyl was more and more difficult to get, I was > > > buying strictly > > > cassettes. > > > > > I found the ECM cassettes to be sonically on a > > > par with vinyl, > > > especially > > > > > considering that the latter has the occasional > > > crackling and pops. I've > > > > > since been able to reduce LP surface noise with > > > the Nitty Gritty record > > > > > cleaner, and am again buying vinyl when > > > feasible. But, those mid- and > > > > > late-1980s ECM cassettes still sound great on > > > the DR-3, and even better > > > > than > > > > > they did on the Denon deck I used until buying > > > my DR-3 in the mid-1990s. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Gerald G. > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > Date: Sunday, November 30, 2003 4:29 AM > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for > > > NAK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HI.many excellent regards to the great nak-talk > > > "family".Although i have > > > > > an older c.d. /tape guide, i would like to find > > > out the best clasical > > > > > and jazz tape that you all like. I have a couple > > > of Blue Note Jazz > > > > > tapes,some R.C.A.Red Seal,some London F.F.R,and > > > one Living Presecence. > > > > > Are these tapes analgous in quality to the > > > fantastic vinyl production > > > > > from these same companies.Any others i might > > > want to be aware of? > > > > > > > > > > thank you very much, > > > > > gerald > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > Register your Nak today! > > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > Naktalk at naks.com > > > mailinglist > > > > > Maintain your account here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Register your Nak today! > > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com > > > mailinglist > > > > Maintain your account here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! > > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > _________________________________________________________________ > Take advantage of our best MSN Dial-up offer of the year - six months > @$9.95/month. Sign up now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.537 / Virus Database: 332 - Release Date: 11/6/2003 From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Thu Dec 4 08:42:13 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 09:42:13 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Where to get good blank tapes these days? Message-ID: Hi Vladimir, I will send you a copy of tape supplier details that I send out a couple of months ago, which may be of use to you....... PART ONE: SUPPLIERS Here a couple of useful links for getting some really nice tapes into your personal inventory. http://www.kvjfairdeal.com/ KVJ London The guys are out on the district line to Barking. Get off at Aldgate East and you're practically there. Great little family store that's been tops in media for years. If you buy by the box, they'll make a deal usually. http://www.pricebuster.org.uk/ Pricebuster in London central and Harrow Excellent shops; the Harrow branch does the export shipping. Very helpful - shipping is expensive from the UK if you didn't know. http://www.tapeworld.com/ Tape World https://www.protape.co.uk/cgi-bin/protape.storefront Pro Tape UK http://www.totalmedia.com/ Total Media http://www.american-digital.com/prodsite/default.asp American Digital Great company up in Connecticut, snappy delivery but only to US addresses. They have the best prices on Maxell XLII/90s at the moment - it might be all they have, but at 79 cents when I last looked - well, you can't beat that! Also, look for dusty little piles of tapes in the better hi-fi shops - you might be able to relieve the owner/manager of the continued burden of counting them into stock for the billionth time - and snap them up for a bargain as a job-lot!! ******************************************************************************************************** PART TWO: WHAT'S STILL BEING PRODUCED Sorry, to answer your questions on how many manufacturers are currently producing tapes - Sony still manufactures, to my knowledge, Types Is (ZX, EX, EX Super) Types IIs (UX, UX Pro and CDit) and Type IV (Metal XR) Maxell (in one location or another) produces UR, UE, UDI, UDII, XLII, XLII-S (UK only), Metal CD Thats (Taiyo Yuden) produces a range of Type IIs and IVs for professional use. SKC (SKM LImited) produces Sony clones - LX, CD Super-Chrome and posssibly others. Look for the Metal Tech "ZX". TDK produces B, D, AD, SA, SA-X (not all markets) and MA (not all markets). Also CDing I and II. BASF/EMTEC produces Chrome Extra, Chrome Record II, Ferro Extra, Record I and one of the Maximas (either Ref Maxima in Europe or Reference Master IN N. America). You should find the odd stock of Chrome Super II, Chrome Maxima II and possible Metal Maxima TPIV. Have a look on E-Bay for deals on new, wrapped blank tapes at the following link: http://listings.ebay.com/pool2/plistings/list/all/category14962/index.html?from=R4 ************************************************************************************************************************************** PART THREE: 1. I wouldn't worry too much about about Nakamichi being biased specialy for TDK. Provided you can tweak bias on your front panel (or even auto - calibrate with a CR-7) then it's not a problem. I use plenty of different cassettes on my decks with great results. 2. Sure you can re-use those old tapes. Just make sure that they have been kept properly (in the case) and that they are visibly clean, and they can be re-recorded with no problem at all. Actually, older TDK cassettes were a bit "tougher" than the current generation, when it comes to durability. 3. We have frequently debate the possiblity and/or reality of deterioration to tapes over 10-20 years. Most of use have noted no significant deterioration in tapes going back to at least 1982, particulalry the better types. Amongst the hardiest appear to have been Maxell XLII and Maxell XLII-S (and the forerunner, UD XL series). However, I have TDK D, SA and SA-X of that vintage that are perfect, indeed, as new. Also older BASF are equally excellent. Sony tapes of all types show no ageing whatsoever. My 1984 UCX-S are still phenomenol. 4. Should you go for chrome or metal types?? That depends on you personally. If your decks make good use of metals (have sufficient bias current - an all Nakamichi's except for the early machines have), then, they are worth the premium you pay. TDK MA can still be found and it has a nice blend of metal virtues. (Strong tonality, no compression on high frequency signals, impressive dynamics and generally dolby-friendly). It's also a better bet than Maxell Metal CD if they offer themselves. Good chromes are always a good bet, because their inherent quietness make them great for no-dolby recordings. I strongly recommend Maxell's excellent XLII, although, if you can find XLII-S it's arguably the best type II in history. I personally like Sony UX - it's well worth a try. If you can find either BASF/EMTEC Chrome Maxima CMII or better still, Reference Maxima TPII, they are top rate. You are best advised to hunt opportunistically for good tapes in small, out of the way shops, hi-fi stores etc. Little, dusty piles of forgotten stock may be lying there. Forget the big, commercial discount stores. TDK SA (quite softly balanced and sensitive) and the SA-X (rather more assertive sound - an excellent type II) are a favourite for many. Never stop hunting!! My ex-wife just found for me a Sony Super Metal Master and a carton of Sony Metal XRs in Madagascar!!!! Hidden between two lemurs I expect!!. Good luck!! Marc The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From g_valkov at hotmail.com Thu Dec 4 02:50:27 2003 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 03:50:27 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Where to get good blank tapes these days? Message-ID: Hi Vladimir, This is not going to be my first rant on the subject, I hope the list veterans will bear with me yet once again. Please, please stay away from the current European (Luxembourg) - made TDKs - they are absolute crap. The tape is bad and the shell is even worse. My B215 refused to auto-calibrate a brand new TDK MA, ate up a couple of D's (the shell was so warped the tape couldn't travel properly) and there was this awful whirring noise when rewinding- need I say more ? No such problems with my 1980 TDK MA's though - smooth, silent, fantastic recordings. I cannot comment on TDK tapes available in other markets. The new EMTECs (formerly BASF) are fabulous, especially their Reference Maxima series, both Chrome (TP II) and Metal (TP-IV). I think they've been discontinued recently, but maybe you can still get hold of some. The Maxells have always been excellent too, so that's another safe bet for you. I'm sure the other guys will have something to add, so - over to the list. Rgds George ----Original Message Follows---- From: Vladimir Ferdman Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Where to get good blank tapes these days? Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 10:18:36 -0800 (PST) Hi, all. Well, what with a couple of Naks coming to me soon (one for me and one for a friend), I've been trying to get a few good blank tapes. I did not realize how few varieties tapes are sold thse days. True, the format is probably going the way of vinyl, but there are still enthusiasts out there aren't there? So, my question is where do I get high bias TDK tapes? I understand that most if not all Naks are fine-tuned for the bias of the TDK tapes. I always preferred TDK tapes back inthe day and have quite a fe wold ones laying around. Can I reuse those? Is there any deterioration to a TDK tape in say 10-15 years? Where to buy new ones? Should I go for metal or chrome will do just fine? I used to not splurge onmetal in the old days, but then again, I did not have a Nak. Please advise. Best to all, Vladimir __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From msyoder at border.net Thu Dec 4 01:47:07 2003 From: msyoder at border.net (Michael S. Yoder) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 18:47:07 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Where to get good blank tapes these days? Message-ID: <003701c3ba00$275a46e0$90f4c1cf@jnorris.ttu.edu> Vladimir, I don't know in which country you are located, but www.tapeworld.com (1-800-tapeworld) has TDK SA's and SM's, and SM-X's (my personal favourite) in short lengths only (i LOVE SM-X 30's for mixdowns in the studio, because you don't have to FF and rewind through so much tape.) I think you probably can also get these from TDK's own on-line tore (www.tdk.com). Good luck! Michael -----Original Message----- From: Vladimir Ferdman To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Date: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 3:56 PM Subject: [naktalk] Where to get good blank tapes these days? >Hi, all. Well, what with a couple of Naks coming to me soon (one for me and one for a friend), >I've been trying to get a few good blank tapes. I did not realize how few varieties tapes are >sold thse days. True, the format is probably going the way of vinyl, but there are still >enthusiasts out there aren't there? So, my question is where do I get high bias TDK tapes? I >understand that most if not all Naks are fine-tuned for the bias of the TDK tapes. I always >preferred TDK tapes back inthe day and have quite a fe wold ones laying around. Can I reuse >those? Is there any deterioration to a TDK tape in say 10-15 years? Where to buy new ones? >Should I go for metal or chrome will do just fine? I used to not splurge onmetal in the old days, >but then again, I did not have a Nak. Please advise. > > >Best to all, >Vladimir > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now >http://companion.yahoo.com/ >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Wed Dec 3 23:54:33 2003 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 17:54:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for NAK Message-ID: Steve: I played this tape on on a cheap Onkyo(sp) deck and the sound IS truly amazing..I did not give the tape to the owner of the cheap deck!...I told him to get a good used Nak and forget the bargain store junk he was listening to for years. Neil Lipes >From: "Comcast Mail" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for NAK >Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 11:35:41 -0800 > >I have the same tape your talking about "the Sound of Nakamichi" picked it >up at a thrift store and was amazed at the sound reproduction. > >I have used it to test the two CR's I own and found some major differences >between the two, leading me to belive its time for some maintence on one of >them. > >I also used it in my car cassette player and impressed several people with >the sound quility it provided. > >Steven Schmidt >----- Original Message ----- >From: "neil lipes" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 6:20 AM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for NAK > > > > Back in the day, I purchased three 505s, one for me , one for my sister, >and > > one for my cousin...no I did not treat them...they paid for theirs! > > > > Packed in those decks was a tape of "The Sound Of Nakamichi". Which > > contained music form the following labels: > > > > GRP Records > > Sheffield Lab > > A&M Records > > Delos Records > > Telarc Records > > > > Side one was entirely music...side two was music AND!!!...the > > following!!..Three "tests". > > > > !. Channel Identification > > 2. Channel Balance and Speaker Phasing > > 3. High Frequency Ootput > > > > There were on TDK Metal tape (70us) > > > > Manufactured by Pacific Cassette Laboratories > > > > I have two copies..one unopened...maybe E-Bay bound..also have >discount > > tickets to purchase these tapes. > > > > Hopefully many of you out there have these wonderful specimens! > > > > And yes, you do not NEED a Dragon to get a big KICK out of them. > > > > Neil Lipes > > > > > > > > > > >From: Scott Johnson > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for NAK > > >Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 14:30:13 -0800 (PST) > > > > > >I have one of those Sheffield Labs tapes too. If I > > >remember right I got it for free when I bought my > > >BX-300. Creme de la Creme was the name. It was a > > >selected works tape of other albums. I think the > > >brochure said they were recorded using Specially Tuned > > >ZX-9's and not 2-head MR-2's. This tape sounds > > >fantastic! I often use it as my reference standard > > >for testing speakers or headphones. > > > > > >There is a company in Woodland Hills, CA that used to > > >duplicate tapes using modified MR-1's. They were > > >modified to the newer rec/play equalization using mods > > >from Dolby Labs, not Nak's mods used in the MR-1B. > > >Dolby encoding was done with a professional rack mount > > >Dolby Labs encoder with a Dolby B board in it and that > > >signal was amplified and distributed to 120 decks. I > > >know this because I bought the systems, but, only got > > >109 decks, 9 19" racks, 10 distribution amplfiers, > > >two DAT decks and tons of cables. These guys did a > > >great job of keeping these decks in good condition. > > >They wrote on the back of the decks when the last lube > > >was performed and if anything was replaced and when. > > >Oh and the best part is every single one of them has > > >the gear idler installed at the factory. > > > > > >--- Sinclair Forrest wrote: > > > > Never tried them. Had a couple of Sheffield Labs > > > > direct cut vinyl lps, > > > > which were superb. If only the major record labels > > > > had spent more time and > > > > effort when duplicating cassettes instead of the > > > > grotty tape loop bin stick > > > > it in a shit shell effort. Mind you, if they had > > > > all been like the > > > > Sheffield ones, there would not have been as much > > > > call for the Dragon... > > > > > > > > Sinclair > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Carlitos Jr." > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 12:40 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for > > > > NAK > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sheffield Lab tapes were excellent ! Most of them > > > > were duplicated > > > > > "real-time" on nakamichis MR-2's in California. > > > > > > > > > > Carlos > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Michael S. Yoder" > > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 7:22 AM > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for NAK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For jazz, ECM cassettes generally are good, > > > > especially after about 1979 > > > > or > > > > > > so. In fact, before buying my first CD player > > > > around 1990, at which > > > > time > > > > > > vinyl was more and more difficult to get, I was > > > > buying strictly > > > > cassettes. > > > > > > I found the ECM cassettes to be sonically on a > > > > par with vinyl, > > > > especially > > > > > > considering that the latter has the occasional > > > > crackling and pops. I've > > > > > > since been able to reduce LP surface noise with > > > > the Nitty Gritty record > > > > > > cleaner, and am again buying vinyl when > > > > feasible. But, those mid- and > > > > > > late-1980s ECM cassettes still sound great on > > > > the DR-3, and even better > > > > > than > > > > > > they did on the Denon deck I used until buying > > > > my DR-3 in the mid-1990s. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Gerald G. > > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > Date: Sunday, November 30, 2003 4:29 AM > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Pre Recorded Tape Talk for > > > > NAK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HI.many excellent regards to the great nak-talk > > > > "family".Although i have > > > > > > an older c.d. /tape guide, i would like to find > > > > out the best clasical > > > > > > and jazz tape that you all like. I have a couple > > > > of Blue Note Jazz > > > > > > tapes,some R.C.A.Red Seal,some London F.F.R,and > > > > one Living Presecence. > > > > > > Are these tapes analgous in quality to the > > > > fantastic vinyl production > > > > > > from these same companies.Any others i might > > > > want to be aware of? > > > > > > > > > > > > thank you very much, > > > > > > gerald > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > Register your Nak today! > > > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > Naktalk at naks.com > > > > mailinglist > > > > > > Maintain your account here: > > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > Register your Nak today! > > > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > Naktalk at naks.com > > > > mailinglist > > > > > Maintain your account here: > > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Register your Nak today! > > > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > Maintain your account here: > > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Take advantage of our best MSN Dial-up offer of the year - six months > > @$9.95/month. Sign up now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.537 / Virus Database: 332 - Release Date: 11/6/2003 > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Get holiday tips for festive fun. http://special.msn.com/network/happyholidays.armx From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Thu Dec 4 00:03:42 2003 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 18:03:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Where to get good blank tapes these days? Message-ID: Vlad: Back in the day I purchased about 100 TDK HS-X from J&R Music World here in NYC. That had to be over 15 years ago...tapes are still in great shape. The HX-S was the greatest tape..better than the metal types. Neil >From: Vladimir Ferdman >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: [naktalk] Where to get good blank tapes these days? >Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 10:18:36 -0800 (PST) > >Hi, all. Well, what with a couple of Naks coming to me soon (one for me >and one for a friend), >I've been trying to get a few good blank tapes. I did not realize how few >varieties tapes are >sold thse days. True, the format is probably going the way of vinyl, but >there are still >enthusiasts out there aren't there? So, my question is where do I get high >bias TDK tapes? I >understand that most if not all Naks are fine-tuned for the bias of the TDK >tapes. I always >preferred TDK tapes back inthe day and have quite a fe wold ones laying >around. Can I reuse >those? Is there any deterioration to a TDK tape in say 10-15 years? Where >to buy new ones? >Should I go for metal or chrome will do just fine? I used to not splurge >onmetal in the old days, >but then again, I did not have a Nak. Please advise. > > >Best to all, >Vladimir > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now >http://companion.yahoo.com/ >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Browse styles for all ages, from the latest looks to cozy weekend wear at MSN Shopping. And check out the beauty products! http://shopping.msn.com From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Dec 4 00:15:17 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 10:15:17 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Where to get good blank tapes these days? Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D2C9@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Vladimir. Like you I've had the same problem, trying to find the great tapes are near on impossible these days, that's why we have places like E-bay to source them from. Since first joining E-bay back in 2001 I've collected over 500 tapes - mostly high bias tapes from Maxell and TDK. Some of the tapes are brand new and still in their wrappers (vintage 1980's and 1990's) and some are used, I've even bought some unused still in the wrappers 1976 Maxell XL-II high bias tapes. I've make many recordings on these tapes using my Naks and no problem. If you live in America then you have it made because most of the tapes I've purchased came from America, it seems that the majority of TDK and Maxell tapes were sold there. Hope this helps, Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Vladimir Ferdman [mailto:vferdman at yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, 4 December 2003 5:19 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Where to get good blank tapes these days? Hi, all. Well, what with a couple of Naks coming to me soon (one for me and one for a friend), I've been trying to get a few good blank tapes. I did not realize how few varieties tapes are sold thse days. True, the format is probably going the way of vinyl, but there are still enthusiasts out there aren't there? So, my question is where do I get high bias TDK tapes? I understand that most if not all Naks are fine-tuned for the bias of the TDK tapes. I always preferred TDK tapes back inthe day and have quite a fe wold ones laying around. Can I reuse those? Is there any deterioration to a TDK tape in say 10-15 years? Where to buy new ones? Should I go for metal or chrome will do just fine? I used to not splurge onmetal in the old days, but then again, I did not have a Nak. Please advise. Best to all, Vladimir __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From merten.hermann at bayerpolymers.com Thu Dec 4 09:26:43 2003 From: merten.hermann at bayerpolymers.com (merten.hermann at bayerpolymers.com) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 09:26:43 +0100 Subject: Antwort: Re: [naktalk] Where to get good blank tapes these days? Message-ID: Guys, I just bought 50 new TDK MA-XG (latest version) on ebay in Germany. Perfect. There are tons of people out there who have old stocks and just want to get rid of them. But I also have a huge stock of BASF Reference Maximas. To my mind the best chrome cassettes you can buy. They're very close to metal. Greetings. Merten An: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Kopie: Thema: Re: [naktalk] Where to get good blank tapes these days? naktalk-bounces at naks.com Received : 04.12.2003 09:19 Bitte antworten an Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Vladimir, I don't know in which country you are located, but www.tapeworld.com (1-800-tapeworld) has TDK SA's and SM's, and SM-X's (my personal favourite) in short lengths only (i LOVE SM-X 30's for mixdowns in the studio, because you don't have to FF and rewind through so much tape.) I think you probably can also get these from TDK's own on-line tore (www.tdk.com). Good luck! Michael -----Original Message----- From: Vladimir Ferdman To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Date: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 3:56 PM Subject: [naktalk] Where to get good blank tapes these days? >Hi, all. Well, what with a couple of Naks coming to me soon (one for me and one for a friend), >I've been trying to get a few good blank tapes. I did not realize how few varieties tapes are >sold thse days. True, the format is probably going the way of vinyl, but there are still >enthusiasts out there aren't there? So, my question is where do I get high bias TDK tapes? I >understand that most if not all Naks are fine-tuned for the bias of the TDK tapes. I always >preferred TDK tapes back inthe day and have quite a fe wold ones laying around. Can I reuse >those? Is there any deterioration to a TDK tape in say 10-15 years? Where to buy new ones? >Should I go for metal or chrome will do just fine? I used to not splurge onmetal in the old days, >but then again, I did not have a Nak. Please advise. > > >Best to all, >Vladimir > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now >http://companion.yahoo.com/ >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Thu Dec 4 14:45:03 2003 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 08:45:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Where to get good blank tapes these days? References: <20031203181836.39977.qmail@web10406.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003201c3ba6c$d21965e0$5e106343@johnnyrotten> Get yourself some Maxell XLII 90's available almost everywhere, Sam Goody always has truckloads of them here. Usually a four or five pack is $10. John T. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vladimir Ferdman" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 1:18 PM Subject: [naktalk] Where to get good blank tapes these days? Hi, all. Well, what with a couple of Naks coming to me soon (one for me and one for a friend), I've been trying to get a few good blank tapes. I did not realize how few varieties tapes are sold thse days. True, the format is probably going the way of vinyl, but there are still enthusiasts out there aren't there? So, my question is where do I get high bias TDK tapes? I understand that most if not all Naks are fine-tuned for the bias of the TDK tapes. I always preferred TDK tapes back inthe day and have quite a fe wold ones laying around. Can I reuse those? Is there any deterioration to a TDK tape in say 10-15 years? Where to buy new ones? Should I go for metal or chrome will do just fine? I used to not splurge onmetal in the old days, but then again, I did not have a Nak. Please advise. Best to all, Vladimir __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From yumanhing at netvigator.com Thu Dec 4 17:24:41 2003 From: yumanhing at netvigator.com (Hing) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 00:24:41 +0800 Subject: [naktalk] SONIC DIFFERENCES BETWEEN NAKAMICHI DRAGON & Message-ID: <004b01c3ba83$1ef2b310$0202a8c0@USER> Hello George Yes, I have tried the recording & playback by each machine and cross-checked them! Do you have different experience than I had? If so, your views are welcome!!! Best regards Hing -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vferdman at yahoo.com Thu Dec 4 18:35:52 2003 From: vferdman at yahoo.com (Vladimir Ferdman) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 09:35:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Thanks for tape advice In-Reply-To: <3FC4C0E7.2070804@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20031204173552.20151.qmail@web10409.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks to everyone for great advice on TDK tapes. I am located in US, so some of the UK sources will have to wait until I visit there :) Now, as usual, with more information come more questions. Can anyone distill the various TDK tape types? On TDK website, I see the following: SM-X SM AM SA-X SA CD-POWER CD-BASS D I know that D tapes are LN (low bias) tapes and are generally not used for music, but rather for speech, etc. So, no D for music recording on the Nak. I think SA is the good-ole chrome tape that I know and love from the past (correct me if I am wrong here, please), SM is the metal version. Now, what's with the '-X' suffix? And what is AM? Also, someone mentioned to stay away from new European-made TDK tapes as they are junk. Is this true for new TDK tapes sold in US? Should I just try and get some new old stock TDKs from ebay or some Hi-Fi store? Sorry for more questions, I've been out of the tape thing for a while. Best, Vladimir __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Dec 5 00:33:10 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 23:33:10 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Thanks for tape advice In-Reply-To: <20031204173552.20151.qmail@web10409.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000801c3babe$fa900180$8c66893e@oemcomputer> Actually, you may be surprised just how good a TDK D is with music ... on the right deck they offer lovely bass and mid range, albeit lacking the right sparkle at the top end. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Vladimir Ferdman > Sent: 04 December 2003 17:36 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: [naktalk] Thanks for tape advice > > > Thanks to everyone for great advice on TDK tapes. I am located > in US, so some of the UK sources > will have to wait until I visit there :) Now, as usual, with > more information come more > questions. Can anyone distill the various TDK tape types? On > TDK website, I see the following: > > SM-X > SM > AM > SA-X > SA > CD-POWER > CD-BASS > D > > I know that D tapes are LN (low bias) tapes and are generally not > used for music, but rather for > speech, etc. So, no D for music recording on the Nak. I think > SA is the good-ole chrome tape > that I know and love from the past (correct me if I am wrong > here, please), SM is the metal > version. Now, what's with the '-X' suffix? And what is AM? > Also, someone mentioned to stay away > from new European-made TDK tapes as they are junk. Is this true > for new TDK tapes sold in US? > Should I just try and get some new old stock TDKs from ebay or > some Hi-Fi store? > > Sorry for more questions, I've been out of the tape thing for a while. > > Best, > Vladimir > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.545 / Virus Database: 339 - Release Date: 27/11/03 From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Dec 5 07:42:38 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 08:42:38 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Thanks for tape advice Message-ID: Hi Vladimir, "X" would usually denote a double coating of the proprierary formulation used for that series of tape; super-avylin in the case of SA/SA-X and Finavinx in the case of MA/MA-X. AM is unknown to me (in RSA) I don't know where the US sold TDKs are manufactured - the ones sold here are either Japanese or Japanese components assembled in Thailand. As George said, he has had some truly horrible experiences with European (Luxembourg) made TDK, so that's important to bear in mind when reading the wrappers. Graham's experiences mirror mine: TDK "D" can be surprising in certain applications!! For instance, commercial/contemporary music recorded without Dolby - very lively results. My Pioneer deck auto-calibrates extremely well on this formula. (What an admission....heh heh!!) On the E-Bay question - go ahead anyway - there are great deals to be had, apart from getting nice pieces of audio history!! At least when you buy audio cassettes on e-bay you don't have to worry about "hand on the heart" claims like...."everything works as it should"...or...."performed perfectly the last time I used it"... Good luck Marc The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From pennington63 at juno.com Fri Dec 5 00:12:48 2003 From: pennington63 at juno.com (Dave M.) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 18:12:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Where to get good blank tapes these days? Message-ID: <20031204.181249.-123929045.0.pennington63@juno.com> Don't know if any of you remember the TDK MA-R tapes... The heavy ones with the metal alloy sandwiched between two clear plastic plates. They were about $11.65 for a 60 minute tape back in 1986. Some of my high bias tapes already warped... I do my best to keep them out of the sun, in dry places, etc. but I sometimes fail due to circumstances beyond my control. The MA-R NEVER warped or lost any of its sweet high end, its smooth, deep lows, or its full midrange. They were so heavy that TDK expressly stated they were not for car audio use, as they may become stuck in your deck! Dave On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 08:45:03 -0500 "John M. Tooley" writes: > Get yourself some Maxell XLII 90's available almost everywhere, Sam > Goody > always has truckloads of them here. Usually a four or five pack is > $10. > > John T. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Vladimir Ferdman" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 1:18 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Where to get good blank tapes these days? > > > Hi, all. Well, what with a couple of Naks coming to me soon (one > for me and > one for a friend), > I've been trying to get a few good blank tapes. I did not realize > how few > varieties tapes are > sold thse days. True, the format is probably going the way of > vinyl, but > there are still > enthusiasts out there aren't there? So, my question is where do I > get high > bias TDK tapes? I > understand that most if not all Naks are fine-tuned for the bias of > the TDK > tapes. I always > preferred TDK tapes back inthe day and have quite a fe wold ones > laying > around. Can I reuse > those? Is there any deterioration to a TDK tape in say 10-15 years? > Where > to buy new ones? > Should I go for metal or chrome will do just fine? I used to not > splurge > onmetal in the old days, > but then again, I did not have a Nak. Please advise. > > > Best to all, > Vladimir > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now > http://companion.yahoo.com/ > ========---------------------------------------------------------======== = > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------======== = > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------======== = > > > > ---------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------======== = > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------======== = > > From paulkoo at comcast.net Fri Dec 5 03:45:27 2003 From: paulkoo at comcast.net (paulkoo at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 02:45:27 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Thanks for tape advice Message-ID: <120520030245.8042.2af7@comcast.net> Actually, SM and SA are the same tape with a different shell. The SMs has a better constructed shell (professional). This is also true with SM-X and SAX. Metal tapes are no longer made by Maxell or TDK. What is on the market is "new old stock" with the designation of MA for TDK. SAX is an improved version of SA allowing for slightly greater headroom. With the Nak decks using auto calibration, the difference between tape type is very small. The key issue is the durability of each tape type over time. Anyone with experiences they could share on that subject? > Thanks to everyone for great advice on TDK tapes. I am located in US, so some > of the UK sources > will have to wait until I visit there :) Now, as usual, with more information > come more > questions. Can anyone distill the various TDK tape types? On TDK website, I > see the following: > > SM-X > SM > AM > SA-X > SA > CD-POWER > CD-BASS > D > > I know that D tapes are LN (low bias) tapes and are generally not used for > music, but rather for > speech, etc. So, no D for music recording on the Nak. I think SA is the > good-ole chrome tape > that I know and love from the past (correct me if I am wrong here, please), SM > is the metal > version. Now, what's with the '-X' suffix? And what is AM? Also, someone > mentioned to stay away > from new European-made TDK tapes as they are junk. Is this true for new TDK > tapes sold in US? > Should I just try and get some new old stock TDKs from ebay or some Hi-Fi store? > > Sorry for more questions, I've been out of the tape thing for a while. > > Best, > Vladimir > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now > http://companion.yahoo.com/ > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ti at amb.org Fri Dec 5 10:01:30 2003 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 01:01:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Where to get good blank tapes these days? In-Reply-To: <20031204.181249.-123929045.0.pennington63@juno.com> from "Dave M." at Dec 04, 2003 06:12:48 PM Message-ID: <200312050901.JAA09689@amb.org> Dave M. writes: > Don't know if any of you remember the TDK MA-R tapes... The heavy ones > with the metal alloy sandwiched between two clear plastic plates. Yes, I have a few of these beauties. The slightly later MA-XG and SA-XG tapes also had a similar shell construction. Then, TDK moved to a newer style alloy shell with ceramic sides for the last iteration of the MA-XGs. -Ti -- R 1 3 5 Ti Kan |_|_|_| http://www.amb.org/ti | | | Vorsprung durch Technik 2 4 6 From ggsj1100 at comcast.net Sun Dec 7 00:03:20 2003 From: ggsj1100 at comcast.net (Gary Shank) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 18:03:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI CR3-A Message-ID: <000801c3bc4d$2536fc10$a47ba8c0@S0029703628> I have a Nakamichi CR3-A cassette deck that I hardly ever used. I tried to use it recently and the unit will not turn any tape in play, rewind or fastforward. is this a common problem and is it worth fixing since I only use it at Christmas time thanks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wolfbob at csnsys.com Sun Dec 7 02:28:16 2003 From: wolfbob at csnsys.com (wolfbob) Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 17:28:16 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Bullettin No. 2 Message-ID: <3FD28230.7050801@csnsys.com> Where can I get a copy of Nakamichi Bullettin No.2 published many years ago? WBob From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Dec 7 14:13:48 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 08:13:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI CR3-A In-Reply-To: <000801c3bc4d$2536fc10$a47ba8c0@S0029703628> References: <000801c3bc4d$2536fc10$a47ba8c0@S0029703628> Message-ID: <3FD3278C.8080001@rcn.com> The CR-3 is a very nice machine and certainly worth fixing (though I can't say whether it's worth it to *you*). It is possible that the problem is caused exactly because you hardly ever use the deck. In all probability, the transport simply needs routine servicing. -- Ron Gary Shank wrote: > I have a Nakamichi CR3-A cassette deck that I hardly ever used. I tried > to use it recently and the unit will not turn any tape in play, rewind > or fastforward. is this a common problem and is it worth fixing since I > only use it at Christmas time > > thanks From wolfbob at csnsys.com Sun Dec 7 17:55:12 2003 From: wolfbob at csnsys.com (wolfbob) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 08:55:12 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI CR3-A In-Reply-To: <000801c3bc4d$2536fc10$a47ba8c0@S0029703628> References: <000801c3bc4d$2536fc10$a47ba8c0@S0029703628> Message-ID: <3FD35B70.60701@csnsys.com> It is a minor fix requiring changing a little rubber tire. Worth doing. WBob Gary Shank wrote: > I have a Nakamichi CR3-A cassette deck that I hardly ever used. I tried > to use it recently and the unit will not turn any tape in play, rewind > or fastforward. is this a common problem and is it worth fixing since I > only use it at Christmas time > > thanks > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Dec 7 22:06:47 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 16:06:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI CR3-A In-Reply-To: <3FD35B70.60701@csnsys.com> References: <000801c3bc4d$2536fc10$a47ba8c0@S0029703628> <3FD35B70.60701@csnsys.com> Message-ID: <3FD39667.9040503@rcn.com> I suspect his CR-3 has a gear idler, so it's probably something else. Still worth doing... -- Ron wolfbob wrote: > It is a minor fix requiring changing a little rubber tire. Worth doing. > > WBob > > Gary Shank wrote: > >> I have a Nakamichi CR3-A cassette deck that I hardly ever used. I >> tried to use it recently and the unit will not turn any tape in play, >> rewind or fastforward. is this a common problem and is it worth >> fixing since I only use it at Christmas time >> >> thanks From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Sun Dec 7 23:15:57 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 09:15:57 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Thanks for tape advice Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D2D3@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> I have found that most of the TDK tapes survive quite well over time, however, the AD's of the early 90's towards the 2000 vintage are quite bad. I've had some AD's and AR-X tapes go so bad that they are not worth keeping anymore. They suffer from dropouts, unbalanced track levels due to linear creases along the tape and poor shell quality. They are not the same tape as they used to be. I own a variety of AD's from the 70's and 80's, and they are still going strong. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: paulkoo at comcast.net [mailto:paulkoo at comcast.net] Sent: Friday, 5 December 2003 1:45 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Thanks for tape advice Actually, SM and SA are the same tape with a different shell. The SMs has a better constructed shell (professional). This is also true with SM-X and SAX. Metal tapes are no longer made by Maxell or TDK. What is on the market is "new old stock" with the designation of MA for TDK. SAX is an improved version of SA allowing for slightly greater headroom. With the Nak decks using auto calibration, the difference between tape type is very small. The key issue is the durability of each tape type over time. Anyone with experiences they could share on that subject? > Thanks to everyone for great advice on TDK tapes. I am located in US, so some > of the UK sources > will have to wait until I visit there :) Now, as usual, with more information > come more > questions. Can anyone distill the various TDK tape types? On TDK website, I > see the following: > > SM-X > SM > AM > SA-X > SA > CD-POWER > CD-BASS > D > > I know that D tapes are LN (low bias) tapes and are generally not used for > music, but rather for > speech, etc. So, no D for music recording on the Nak. I think SA is the > good-ole chrome tape > that I know and love from the past (correct me if I am wrong here, please), SM > is the metal > version. Now, what's with the '-X' suffix? And what is AM? Also, someone > mentioned to stay away > from new European-made TDK tapes as they are junk. Is this true for new TDK > tapes sold in US? > Should I just try and get some new old stock TDKs from ebay or some Hi-Fi store? > > Sorry for more questions, I've been out of the tape thing for a while. > > Best, > Vladimir > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now > http://companion.yahoo.com/ > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Dec 8 03:23:39 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 13:23:39 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Fe-Cr tapes Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D2D4@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Howdy all, hope you are all well. Since we are on the topic of tapes, I went to my local flea market on the weekend and purchased a variety of tapes for as low as 20 cents each. The tapes varied from the TDK MA and SA types down to the type I BASF, there were also some Sony Fe-Cr tapes. If I were to use these on my Naks what setting should I set the bias/eq to? Regards, Tom Siomopoulos From jerryjg at webtv.net Mon Dec 8 15:25:12 2003 From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 08:25:12 -0600 (CST) Subject: [naktalk] more pre-recorded tapes for NAK Message-ID: <3121-3FD489C8-873@storefull-2235.public.lawson.webtv.net> I Just took stock of my classical tape menagerie.i dont have any ecm,lots of RCA Red Seal and Victrolas,Phillips,Deutche-Grammaphone, Columbia,London,Musical Heritage Society,C.B.S,Sony Classical,and some few Polygram, Everest,Virgin,MHS,and even one Bainbridge(?!).Anyone care to comment on any of these?From what i can gather from my old CD/Tape Guide,many of these are a hit and miss proposition.Any others come to mind?what about Reprise,Warner Bros.? or other foreign makers .i think i have one Russian tape. thank you very much, gerald From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Dec 8 15:29:07 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 09:29:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Fe-Cr tapes In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D2D4@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D2D4@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <3FD48AB3.1060102@rcn.com> TDK MA are metal (type 4) -- set to ZX position. SA are type 2 -- set to SX position. I believe the Sony Fe-Cr tapes are also type 2. -- Ron Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > Howdy all, hope you are all well. Since we are on the topic of tapes, I went > to my local flea market on the weekend and purchased a variety of tapes for > as low as 20 cents each. The tapes varied from the TDK MA and SA types down > to the type I BASF, there were also some Sony Fe-Cr tapes. If I were to use > these on my Naks what setting should I set the bias/eq to? > > Regards, > > Tom Siomopoulos From RTLehe at aol.com Mon Dec 8 17:29:24 2003 From: RTLehe at aol.com (RTLehe at aol.com) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 11:29:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Fe-Cr tapes Message-ID: <7CB3A4F8.111B7782.0004E774@aol.com> The bias requirements for Fe-Ch tape are between type I and type II. Fortunately, Naks have manual bias and eq controls. If you have bias adjustment you might try the Type I bias and eq positions and increase the bias to get flat response, or use the type II positions and decrease the bias. Back in the day I had a Kenwood deck that was set up for use with Fe-Ch, and the way it worked was that it used the Type I bias setting and the Type II eq setting. Most Naks have separate bias and eq controls, so you might try that. Ultimately you will have to try the various possibilities and hear which one works best. From ti at amb.org Mon Dec 8 09:39:35 2003 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 00:39:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Sony Fe-Cr tapes In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D2D4@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> from "Thomas Siomopoulos" at Dec 08, 2003 01:23:39 PM Message-ID: <200312080839.IAA25928@amb.org> Thomas Siomopoulos writes: > Howdy all, hope you are all well. Since we are on the topic of tapes, I went > to my local flea market on the weekend and purchased a variety of tapes for > as low as 20 cents each. The tapes varied from the TDK MA and SA types down > to the type I BASF, there were also some Sony Fe-Cr tapes. If I were to use > these on my Naks what setting should I set the bias/eq to? If I remember correctly, Fe-Cr tapes should be recorded with standard (type I) bias, but should be played with 70uS eq. These tapes are a rare find now, the format was a market failure and was not well supported. I have only one Fe-Cr tape, by BASF. -Ti -- R 1 3 5 Ti Kan |_|_|_| http://www.amb.org/ti | | | Vorsprung durch Technik 2 4 6 From wjw at warwick.net Mon Dec 8 13:04:25 2003 From: wjw at warwick.net (Bill Wheatley) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 07:04:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: A Tale of the Tapes References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D2D3@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <3FD468C9.2DFDD550@warwick.net> Tom's message (below) about TDK tapes gave me a bit of a panic attack when I read it, and I'm hoping that it was true of only a certain batch of TDKs, or that they solved the problem after 2000. Since January of 2001 I've been working on a digital and analog archiving project (a spare time kind of thing) of over 2,500 7" reel and cassette masters of 90 minute lectures that were given between 1955 and 1975. So far we've used probably over 600 TDK SA-X tapes, as well as some Maxell XLIIS tapes, mostly the 90s, but also some 100s because some of the 7" reels are over 90 minutes (1800' reels at 3 3/4 ips). We're playing the original masters into a computer, using Soundforge as our software, and Lynx One soundcards, and then burning data CDs using the best CDs that Mitsui makes. At the same time, we're recording new analog masters onto cassette. The reasoning behind this is that if better technology comes along a few years down the road we want to still have a good analog master to use as a source. We've been using Naks for recording the new Archive Masters, and also as our playback machine into the computer where the original master is a cassette. For the 7" reels we've been using a variety of reel decks- mostly Teacs, Otari and Revox. All the original 7" reel masters were recorded as mono, with only one mic. One thing I have noticed, which unfortunately supports Tom's report of unbalanced track levels with the TDKs, is that I often have to adjust the balance level on my Nak when recording the original mono track of the master onto both tracks of the cassette master. The Nak is/was a brand new DR-10 when purchased a couple years ago. We also have some DR-8s, and Cassette Deck 1s that we're using for playback machines, and a CR-4 that I'm using at home as my record machine. Almost all the 7" reel originals were recorded on the 'left' channel, using 2 Track machines that were pretty good in their time- Ampex 600s, F-44s, etc. So, I've been recording a mono wave file (as a 90 minute lecture will fit on one data CD as a mono file), coming off the left channel of the machine and going into the computer, and simultaneously recording the new cassette master using the left 'analog out' cable from the Lynx One soundcard, and splitting it with a "Y" connection into both tracks of the Nak. So, one question would be: If I have a mono signal coming out of the computer, and I'm splitting it with a good quality "Y" cable to go into the Nak, why would I have to adjust the record level to the right or left to get an equal signal on my level meters? Could it be that the Nak is not quite adjusted correctly, or that the "Y" cable is not sending an equally split signal to each track? Or, as Tom points out, is it more likely that the TDK SA-X tape we're using has unbalanced track levels? Unfortunately, I would think the tape itself might be the chief culprit, but I'm open to other opinions/suggestions. When we were shopping around for which type and brand of cassette tape to use to make the new analog Archive masters, we decided on using TDK SA-X and/or Maxell XLIIS. The information we received (through internet searches and email contact with a few tape 'experts') was that the "X" and "S" designations meant that these tapes were made with an 'extra' second coating, which improved the binding of the oxide to the tape and allowed for a much longer shelf life for recordings made on them. Sounds good on paper, but if the quality control has gone down the gutter, or companies are starting to scrimp on their product quality....well, that's depressing. We've been getting our tape through a wholesale outfit in NJ who we were hooked up with by TDK because we're a non-profit outfit and we'll be using a lot of tape over the next few years. The wholesaler handles both Maxell and TDK brands. I've been told by him that both Maxell and TDK have phased out 90 minute tapes in the higher end formulations, and that they are both only going to continue making 100 minute tapes. He basically has in stock whatever he can get, and we can basically get only what he has in stock at the time. What is really amazing is how well the 7" reel tapes have held up over the years. All the reels were plastic/mylar tape which was the 'new thing' back in the 50's and early 60's, and fortunately no acetate tapes were used. Even on a tape recorded in 1955 the sound quality on playback is amazingly good if the original recording was done well, and I haven't seen any problems with oxide coming off, tapes becoming brittle (except for leaders and slices in some cases) or anything like that. The tape that was used was 'good' name brand consumer grade tape, and not the 'best quality' tape by any means. Some of the tapes (both reel and cassette) have been stored in a temperature and humidity controlled room over the years, but most of the earlier tapes have been stored under ordinary household conditions. By and large, the 7" reels have held up much better than the cassette masters. We started using cassette masters in the mid-60s, after cassette technology had been available for a while. We used the best quality TDK tape that was made back then, and we used to buy them in pretty large lots. We ran into a bad batch of TDKs that was produced in the mid to late 60s, and at a certain point a few years ago we began to notice that about 200-300 of our TDK masters were losing oxide like crazy. It wasn't happening to all the masters, but it was happening to a great many of them from this particular batch of TDKs. Fortunately one of the people who was recording these lectures at the time didn't trust the 'new' cassette technology, and immediately copied all the cassette masters onto 7" reel "just in case". If we didn't have these lectures on 7" reel we would be in deep doo-doo as far as trying to archive the material. Some of the tapes are so bad that one playing will ruin the tape and gunk up tape heads really bad, and all of the cassette masters have been stored in a controlled room since they were recorded. When we told TDK of this problem, they did offer to do the right thing and replace any defective tapes, but that doesn't help much for trying to archive material in a medium that will last over a certain period of time. Archiving sound material has become a tricky business, because you just never know how long the medium that you're using is going to last. There is no way to know that what the manufacturers claim for the longevity of their product is actually true. Only time can tell. The CDs we're using are 'guaranteed' for 100 years, but who knows? And as for the quality and shelf life of even the best tape formulations... well, Tom's report has me nervous. I've even considered that maybe we should be making our new analog masters on 7" reels rather than cassettes- but that's a lot of additional expense, and who's to say that reel tape is of any better quality at this point. Seems like the only sure way to preserve valuable recordings over a long period of time is to make back up copies every few years, and for this, as much as I love good old analog sound, the ability to archive sound digitally is very encouraging. But one last thing: as far as preserving sound in an analog medium, Naks cannot be beat! Using Naks for playback and recording in copying tapes in 'real time' gives the highest quality reproduction I have heard. It's the closest in analog of getting an exact copy with very little added noise that I have come across. Well, I hope this rather long rant has been somewhat informative, or at least entertaining. I certainly would like to hear other people's experiences, opinions or advice in regard to tape quality and archiving sound material. Bill Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > I have found that most of the TDK tapes survive quite well over time, > however, the AD's of the early 90's towards the 2000 vintage are quite bad. > I've had some AD's and AR-X tapes go so bad that they are not worth keeping > anymore. They suffer from dropouts, unbalanced track levels due to linear > creases along the tape and poor shell quality. They are not the same tape as > they used to be. I own a variety of AD's from the 70's and 80's, and they > are still going strong. > > Tom. > From g_valkov at hotmail.com Mon Dec 8 21:38:42 2003 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 22:38:42 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Fe-Cr tapes Message-ID: Wrong this time Ron, Fe-Cr are a strange mixed breed. There used to be a type III switch on the decks of that time. Unfortunately it was so long ago (my TC-K81) that I can't remember what the atcual combination of settings it was - Type II with 120 eq or Type I with 70 eq. If you don't have separate controls, you're basically stuffed. The recommendation was to go for Type I if you don't have Type III, but that made them sound overbright. Unless someone comes up with the correct answer, you'll have to work by trial and error, Tom. But definitely not your standard Type II setting, that makes them sound horrible. There should be description on the actual cassette wrapper or even the cassette itself, Tom - have you looked closely ? Rgds George ----Original Message Follows---- From: Ron Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Fe-Cr tapes Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 09:29:07 -0500 TDK MA are metal (type 4) -- set to ZX position. SA are type 2 -- set to SX position. I believe the Sony Fe-Cr tapes are also type 2. -- Ron Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: >Howdy all, hope you are all well. Since we are on the topic of tapes, I >went >to my local flea market on the weekend and purchased a variety of tapes for >as low as 20 cents each. The tapes varied from the TDK MA and SA types down >to the type I BASF, there were also some Sony Fe-Cr tapes. If I were to use >these on my Naks what setting should I set the bias/eq to? > > Regards, > >Tom Siomopoulos ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From kannan_s at vsnl.com Mon Dec 8 21:56:52 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 12:56:52 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: A Tale of the Tapes Message-ID: <8853c8267e.8267e8853c@vsnl.net> I should say that this is really an application requiring none other than a Nakamichi Cassette Deck! But you would be surprised if you had used a CR7 for this purpose (with both gear mod and rec eq done)or any of Record bias / level calibrating type decks with original Nak mechanism as they would live next 20 years with minmal spares and attention - like 582/ Dragon/ ZX7/9 Wish you all the best in your efforts. I think Maxell XLII/XLIIS or TDK SA / SAX would be a good candidates. I have TDK D type cassettes recorded 20 years back playing back without any poblem on my Nak! kannan ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Wheatley Date: Monday, December 8, 2003 4:04 am Subject: [naktalk] Re: A Tale of the Tapes > Tom's message (below) about TDK tapes gave me a bit of a > panic attack when > I read it, and I'm hoping that it was true of only a certain batch > of TDKs, or > that they solved the problem after 2000. > > Since January of 2001 I've been working on a digital and > analog archiving > project (a spare time kind of thing) of over 2,500 7" reel and > cassette masters > of 90 minute lectures that were given between 1955 and 1975. So > far we've used > probably over 600 TDK SA-X tapes, as well as some Maxell XLIIS > tapes, mostly the > 90s, but also some 100s because some of the 7" reels are over 90 > minutes (1800' > reels at 3 3/4 ips). > > We're playing the original masters into a computer, using > Soundforge as our > software, and Lynx One soundcards, and then burning data CDs using > the best CDs > that Mitsui makes. > > At the same time, we're recording new analog masters onto > cassette. The > reasoning behind this is that if better technology comes along a > few years down > the road we want to still have a good analog master to use as a > source. We've > been using Naks for recording the new Archive Masters, and also as > our playback > machine into the computer where the original master is a cassette. > For the 7" > reels we've been using a variety of reel decks- mostly Teacs, > Otari and Revox. > > All the original 7" reel masters were recorded as mono, with > only one mic. > One thing I have noticed, which unfortunately supports Tom's > report of > unbalanced track levels with the TDKs, is that I often have to > adjust the > balance level on my Nak when recording the original mono track of > the master > onto both tracks of the cassette master. The Nak is/was a brand > new DR-10 when > purchased a couple years ago. We also have some DR-8s, and > Cassette Deck 1s > that we're using for playback machines, and a CR-4 that I'm using > at home as my > record machine. > > Almost all the 7" reel originals were recorded on the 'left' > channel, using > 2 Track machines that were pretty good in their time- Ampex 600s, > F-44s, etc. > So, I've been recording a mono wave file (as a 90 minute > lecture will fit > on one data CD as a mono file), coming off the left channel of the > machine and > going into the computer, and simultaneously recording the new > cassette master > using the left 'analog out' cable from the Lynx One soundcard, and > splitting it > with a "Y" connection into both tracks of the Nak. > So, one question would be: If I have a mono signal coming out > of the > computer, and I'm splitting it with a good quality "Y" cable to go > into the Nak, > why would I have to adjust the record level to the right or left > to get an equal > signal on my level meters? Could it be that the Nak is not quite > adjustedcorrectly, or that the "Y" cable is not sending an equally > split signal to each > track? Or, as Tom points out, is it more likely that the TDK SA-X > tape we're > using has unbalanced track levels? Unfortunately, I would think > the tape itself > might be the chief culprit, but I'm open to other > opinions/suggestions. > When we were shopping around for which type and brand of > cassette tape to > use to make the new analog Archive masters, we decided on using > TDK SA-X and/or > Maxell XLIIS. The information we received (through internet > searches and email > contact with a few tape 'experts') was that the "X" and "S" > designations meant > that these tapes were made with an 'extra' second coating, which > improved the > binding of the oxide to the tape and allowed for a much longer > shelf life for > recordings made on them. Sounds good on paper, but if the quality > control has > gone down the gutter, or companies are starting to scrimp on their > productquality....well, that's depressing. > > We've been getting our tape through a wholesale outfit in NJ > who we were > hooked up with by TDK because we're a non-profit outfit and we'll > be using a lot > of tape over the next few years. The wholesaler handles both > Maxell and TDK > brands. I've been told by him that both Maxell and TDK have > phased out 90 > minute tapes in the higher end formulations, and that they are > both only going > to continue making 100 minute tapes. He basically has in stock > whatever he can > get, and we can basically get only what he has in stock at the time. > > What is really amazing is how well the 7" reel tapes have held > up over the > years. All the reels were plastic/mylar tape which was the 'new > thing' back in > the 50's and early 60's, and fortunately no acetate tapes were > used. Even on a > tape recorded in 1955 the sound quality on playback is amazingly > good if the > original recording was done well, and I haven't seen any problems > with oxide > coming off, tapes becoming brittle (except for leaders and slices > in some cases) > or anything like that. The tape that was used was 'good' name > brand consumer > grade tape, and not the 'best quality' tape by any means. Some of > the tapes > (both reel and cassette) have been stored in a temperature and > humiditycontrolled room over the years, but most of the earlier > tapes have been stored > under ordinary household conditions. By and large, the 7" reels > have held up > much better than the cassette masters. > > We started using cassette masters in the mid-60s, after > cassette technology > had been available for a while. We used the best quality TDK tape > that was made > back then, and we used to buy them in pretty large lots. We ran > into a bad > batch of TDKs that was produced in the mid to late 60s, and at a > certain point > a few years ago we began to notice that about 200-300 of our TDK > masters were > losing oxide like crazy. It wasn't happening to all the masters, > but it was > happening to a great many of them from this particular batch of TDKs. > Fortunately one of the people who was recording these lectures at > the time > didn't trust the 'new' cassette technology, and immediately copied > all the > cassette masters onto 7" reel "just in case". If we didn't have > these lectures > on 7" reel we would be in deep doo-doo as far as trying to archive the > material. Some of the tapes are so bad that one playing will ruin > the tape and > gunk up tape heads really bad, and all of the cassette masters > have been stored > in a controlled room since they were recorded. > > When we told TDK of this problem, they did offer to do the > right thing and > replace any defective tapes, but that doesn't help much for trying > to archive > material in a medium that will last over a certain period of time. > > Archiving sound material has become a tricky business, > because you just > never know how long the medium that you're using is going to last. > There is no > way to know that what the manufacturers claim for the longevity of > their product > is actually true. Only time can tell. The CDs we're using are > 'guaranteed' for > 100 years, but who knows? And as for the quality and shelf life > of even the > best tape formulations... well, Tom's report has me nervous. > I've even considered that maybe we should be making our new > analog masters > on 7" reels rather than cassettes- but that's a lot of additional > expense, and > who's to say that reel tape is of any better quality at this point. > Seems like the only sure way to preserve valuable recordings > over a long > period of time is to make back up copies every few years, and for > this, as much > as I love good old analog sound, the ability to archive sound > digitally is very > encouraging. > > But one last thing: as far as preserving sound in an analog > medium, Naks > cannot be beat! Using Naks for playback and recording in copying > tapes in 'real > time' gives the highest quality reproduction I have heard. It's > the closest in > analog of getting an exact copy with very little added noise that > I have come > across. > > Well, I hope this rather long rant has been somewhat > informative, or at > least entertaining. > I certainly would like to hear other people's experiences, > opinions or > advice in regard to tape quality and archiving sound material. > > Bill > > Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > > > I have found that most of the TDK tapes survive quite well over > time,> however, the AD's of the early 90's towards the 2000 > vintage are quite bad. > > I've had some AD's and AR-X tapes go so bad that they are not > worth keeping > > anymore. They suffer from dropouts, unbalanced track levels due > to linear > > creases along the tape and poor shell quality. They are not the > same tape as > > they used to be. I own a variety of AD's from the 70's and 80's, > and they > > are still going strong. > > > > Tom. > > > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register========------------------------------- > --------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========--------------- > ------------------------------------------========= > From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Dec 8 22:26:05 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 16:26:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Fe-Cr tapes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FD4EC6D.5090405@rcn.com> Well, I'll bow to your expertise -- I wasn't that sure, anyway. I have only recorded on that tape once, along time ago, and that wasn't my cassette. It was done on my CR-7 and my recollection was that the deck calibrated correctly when set on the SX position. I am not sure whether I tried to calibrate on the EX position and -- if I did -- whether the CR-7 calibrated correctly. I would still recommend trying the SX position and seeing whether everything falls into place. But there is nothing wrong with trying EX to see what the results are. -- Ron George Valkov wrote: > Wrong this time Ron, Fe-Cr are a strange mixed breed. There used to be a > type III switch on the decks of that time. Unfortunately it was so long > ago (my TC-K81) that I can't remember what the atcual combination of > settings it was - Type II with 120 eq or Type I with 70 eq. If you don't > have separate controls, you're basically stuffed. The recommendation was > to go for Type I if you don't have Type III, but that made them sound > overbright. Unless someone comes up with the correct answer, you'll have > to work by trial and error, Tom. But definitely not your standard Type > II setting, that makes them sound horrible. There should be description > on the actual cassette wrapper or even the cassette itself, Tom - have > you looked closely ? > > Rgds > George > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: Ron > Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Fe-Cr tapes > Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 09:29:07 -0500 > > TDK MA are metal (type 4) -- set to ZX position. > SA are type 2 -- set to SX position. I believe > the Sony Fe-Cr tapes are also type 2. > > -- Ron > > > Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > >> Howdy all, hope you are all well. Since we are on the topic of tapes, >> I went >> to my local flea market on the weekend and purchased a variety of >> tapes for >> as low as 20 cents each. The tapes varied from the TDK MA and SA types >> down >> to the type I BASF, there were also some Sony Fe-Cr tapes. If I were >> to use >> these on my Naks what setting should I set the bias/eq to? >> >> Regards, >> >> Tom Siomopoulos From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Dec 8 23:16:40 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 22:16:40 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Fe-Cr tapes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000801c3bdd8$f47379e0$7f954c51@oemcomputer> Bang on George. I'll try to find my old Aiwa AD1800 instructions - it gives the combination in there. Somewhere I still have a Fe-Cr tape or two and it's written on them, too. I recall at the time I liked 'em. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of George Valkov > Sent: 08 December 2003 20:39 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Fe-Cr tapes > > > Wrong this time Ron, Fe-Cr are a strange mixed breed. There used to be a > type III switch on the decks of that time. Unfortunately it was > so long ago > (my TC-K81) that I can't remember what the atcual combination of > settings it > was - Type II with 120 eq or Type I with 70 eq. If you don't have > separate > controls, you're basically stuffed. The recommendation was to go > for Type I > if you don't have Type III, but that made them sound overbright. Unless > someone comes up with the correct answer, you'll have to work by > trial and > error, Tom. But definitely not your standard Type II setting, that makes > them sound horrible. There should be description on the actual cassette > wrapper or even the cassette itself, Tom - have you looked closely ? > > Rgds > George > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: Ron > Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Fe-Cr tapes > Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 09:29:07 -0500 > > TDK MA are metal (type 4) -- set to ZX position. > SA are type 2 -- set to SX position. I believe > the Sony Fe-Cr tapes are also type 2. > > -- Ron > > > Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > > >Howdy all, hope you are all well. Since we are on the topic of tapes, I > >went > >to my local flea market on the weekend and purchased a variety > of tapes for > >as low as 20 cents each. The tapes varied from the TDK MA and SA > types down > >to the type I BASF, there were also some Sony Fe-Cr tapes. If I > were to use > >these on my Naks what setting should I set the bias/eq to? > > > > Regards, > > > >Tom Siomopoulos > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > _________________________________________________________________ > Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.545 / Virus Database: 339 - Release Date: 27/11/03 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.545 / Virus Database: 339 - Release Date: 27/11/03 From kannan_s at vsnl.com Mon Dec 8 23:37:51 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 14:37:51 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Fe-Cr tapes Message-ID: <820b9844c9.844c9820b9@vsnl.net> Another important message during the time Fe-Cr tapes were in use -"they were very abrasive and causing quick head wear"- something like that. Anyway, I feel it is better to keep it under wraps for some more time to ebay it and get 100's of $ bid on them! kannan ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Date: Monday, December 8, 2003 1:26 pm Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Fe-Cr tapes > > Well, I'll bow to your expertise -- I wasn't that > sure, anyway. I have only recorded on that tape > once, along time ago, and that wasn't my cassette. > It was done on my CR-7 and my recollection was > that the deck calibrated correctly when set on > the SX position. I am not sure whether I tried to > calibrate on the EX position and -- if I did -- > whether the CR-7 calibrated correctly. > > I would still recommend trying the SX position and > seeing whether everything falls into place. But > there is nothing wrong with trying EX to see what > the results are. > > -- Ron > > > George Valkov wrote: > > Wrong this time Ron, Fe-Cr are a strange mixed breed. There used > to be a > > type III switch on the decks of that time. Unfortunately it was > so long > > ago (my TC-K81) that I can't remember what the atcual > combination of > > settings it was - Type II with 120 eq or Type I with 70 eq. If > you don't > > have separate controls, you're basically stuffed. The > recommendation was > > to go for Type I if you don't have Type III, but that made them > sound > > overbright. Unless someone comes up with the correct answer, > you'll have > > to work by trial and error, Tom. But definitely not your > standard Type > > II setting, that makes them sound horrible. There should be > description > > on the actual cassette wrapper or even the cassette itself, Tom - > have > > you looked closely ? > > > > Rgds > > George > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > From: Ron > > Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette > Decks > > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Fe-Cr tapes > > Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 09:29:07 -0500 > > > > TDK MA are metal (type 4) -- set to ZX position. > > SA are type 2 -- set to SX position. I believe > > the Sony Fe-Cr tapes are also type 2. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > > > >> Howdy all, hope you are all well. Since we are on the topic of > tapes, > >> I went > >> to my local flea market on the weekend and purchased a variety > of > >> tapes for > >> as low as 20 cents each. The tapes varied from the TDK MA and > SA types > >> down > >> to the type I BASF, there were also some Sony Fe-Cr tapes. If I > were > >> to use > >> these on my Naks what setting should I set the bias/eq to? > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Tom Siomopoulos > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register========------------------------------- > --------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========--------------- > ------------------------------------------========= > From enoyes at snet.net Tue Dec 9 04:05:19 2003 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 22:05:19 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Fe-Cr tapes References: <000801c3bdd8$f47379e0$7f954c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3FD53BEF.7090008@snet.net> Hey All, The official word on Sony FerriChrome is normal bias and 70 us eq. If you don't have a separate eq switch then you'd play back in the type II (chrome/SX) position. The ferrichrome formulation was essentially a cobalt doped ferric which was supposed to have the bottom and mids of a good ferric with the high freq advantages of a CrO2 formula.Ultimately later generation of chrome tapes proved to be every bit as good as the ferrichromes which never quite lived up to their claimed potential. Ed Nelson wrote: >Bang on George. I'll try to find my old Aiwa AD1800 instructions - it gives >the combination in there. Somewhere I still have a Fe-Cr tape or two and >it's written on them, too. I recall at the time I liked 'em. > >Gra' > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >>Behalf Of George Valkov >>Sent: 08 December 2003 20:39 >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Fe-Cr tapes >> >> >>Wrong this time Ron, Fe-Cr are a strange mixed breed. There used to be a >>type III switch on the decks of that time. Unfortunately it was >>so long ago >>(my TC-K81) that I can't remember what the atcual combination of >>settings it >>was - Type II with 120 eq or Type I with 70 eq. If you don't have >>separate >>controls, you're basically stuffed. The recommendation was to go >>for Type I >>if you don't have Type III, but that made them sound overbright. Unless >>someone comes up with the correct answer, you'll have to work by >>trial and >>error, Tom. But definitely not your standard Type II setting, that makes >>them sound horrible. There should be description on the actual cassette >>wrapper or even the cassette itself, Tom - have you looked closely ? >> >>Rgds >>George >> >>----Original Message Follows---- >>From: Ron >>Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Fe-Cr tapes >>Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 09:29:07 -0500 >> >>TDK MA are metal (type 4) -- set to ZX position. >>SA are type 2 -- set to SX position. I believe >>the Sony Fe-Cr tapes are also type 2. >> >>-- Ron >> >> >>Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: >> >> >> >>>Howdy all, hope you are all well. Since we are on the topic of tapes, I >>>went >>>to my local flea market on the weekend and purchased a variety >>> >>> >>of tapes for >> >> >>>as low as 20 cents each. The tapes varied from the TDK MA and SA >>> >>> >>types down >> >> >>>to the type I BASF, there were also some Sony Fe-Cr tapes. If I >>> >>> >>were to use >> >> >>>these on my Naks what setting should I set the bias/eq to? >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>>Tom Siomopoulos >>> >>> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* >>http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >>--- >>Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >>Version: 6.0.545 / Virus Database: 339 - Release Date: 27/11/03 >> >> >> >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.545 / Virus Database: 339 - Release Date: 27/11/03 > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sinuhe at r-grieco.net Mon Dec 8 23:07:11 2003 From: sinuhe at r-grieco.net (Raffaele Grieco) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 23:07:11 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Fe-Cr tapes References: <3FD4EC6D.5090405@rcn.com> Message-ID: <004701c3bdd7$a48b0b60$57025e3e@rg> Hi everyone, > > Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > > > >> Howdy all, hope you are all well. Since we are on the topic of tapes, > >> I went > >> to my local flea market on the weekend and purchased a variety of > >> tapes for > >> as low as 20 cents each. The tapes varied from the TDK MA and SA types > >> down > >> to the type I BASF, there were also some Sony Fe-Cr tapes. If I were > >> to use > >> these on my Naks what setting should I set the bias/eq to? FeCr (ferrichrome) type 3 tapes (type 2 on Elcaset standard) need 70 microsec. EQ and 110% bias current; to have a comparison, type 1 need 100% bias and type 2 (chrome) 150%. So the optimum setting is: chrome EQ and Normal bias, with a little increase if you have bias fine-tuning. Hope this helps, Best regards, Raffaele From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Dec 8 23:15:11 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 09:15:11 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: A Tale of the Tapes Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D2D5@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Bill. My experience with the unbalanced levels only occurred mostly with the AD's, of course there were the odd SA that suffered the same problem but that was only due to the fact that the SA tape was run on some crappy car stereo half a billion times before that. About 90 - 95 percent of the SA's I've got, whether they were made in the 70's or late 90's, still do a great job in recording and playback. If you want to test your DR10 and DR8 try recording a 400 Hz test tone on one of the SA's on another deck making sure that the levels are dead on 0dB, and play the same tape back on the DR's to see if the levels are equal, if they are not equal then maybe the deck(s) needs cleaning and or calibrating. Regards, Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Bill Wheatley [mailto:wjw at warwick.net] Sent: Monday, 8 December 2003 11:04 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Re: A Tale of the Tapes Tom's message (below) about TDK tapes gave me a bit of a panic attack when I read it, and I'm hoping that it was true of only a certain batch of TDKs, or that they solved the problem after 2000. Since January of 2001 I've been working on a digital and analog archiving project (a spare time kind of thing) of over 2,500 7" reel and cassette masters of 90 minute lectures that were given between 1955 and 1975. So far we've used probably over 600 TDK SA-X tapes, as well as some Maxell XLIIS tapes, mostly the 90s, but also some 100s because some of the 7" reels are over 90 minutes (1800' reels at 3 3/4 ips). We're playing the original masters into a computer, using Soundforge as our software, and Lynx One soundcards, and then burning data CDs using the best CDs that Mitsui makes. At the same time, we're recording new analog masters onto cassette. The reasoning behind this is that if better technology comes along a few years down the road we want to still have a good analog master to use as a source. We've been using Naks for recording the new Archive Masters, and also as our playback machine into the computer where the original master is a cassette. For the 7" reels we've been using a variety of reel decks- mostly Teacs, Otari and Revox. All the original 7" reel masters were recorded as mono, with only one mic. One thing I have noticed, which unfortunately supports Tom's report of unbalanced track levels with the TDKs, is that I often have to adjust the balance level on my Nak when recording the original mono track of the master onto both tracks of the cassette master. The Nak is/was a brand new DR-10 when purchased a couple years ago. We also have some DR-8s, and Cassette Deck 1s that we're using for playback machines, and a CR-4 that I'm using at home as my record machine. Almost all the 7" reel originals were recorded on the 'left' channel, using 2 Track machines that were pretty good in their time- Ampex 600s, F-44s, etc. So, I've been recording a mono wave file (as a 90 minute lecture will fit on one data CD as a mono file), coming off the left channel of the machine and going into the computer, and simultaneously recording the new cassette master using the left 'analog out' cable from the Lynx One soundcard, and splitting it with a "Y" connection into both tracks of the Nak. So, one question would be: If I have a mono signal coming out of the computer, and I'm splitting it with a good quality "Y" cable to go into the Nak, why would I have to adjust the record level to the right or left to get an equal signal on my level meters? Could it be that the Nak is not quite adjusted correctly, or that the "Y" cable is not sending an equally split signal to each track? Or, as Tom points out, is it more likely that the TDK SA-X tape we're using has unbalanced track levels? Unfortunately, I would think the tape itself might be the chief culprit, but I'm open to other opinions/suggestions. When we were shopping around for which type and brand of cassette tape to use to make the new analog Archive masters, we decided on using TDK SA-X and/or Maxell XLIIS. The information we received (through internet searches and email contact with a few tape 'experts') was that the "X" and "S" designations meant that these tapes were made with an 'extra' second coating, which improved the binding of the oxide to the tape and allowed for a much longer shelf life for recordings made on them. Sounds good on paper, but if the quality control has gone down the gutter, or companies are starting to scrimp on their product quality....well, that's depressing. We've been getting our tape through a wholesale outfit in NJ who we were hooked up with by TDK because we're a non-profit outfit and we'll be using a lot of tape over the next few years. The wholesaler handles both Maxell and TDK brands. I've been told by him that both Maxell and TDK have phased out 90 minute tapes in the higher end formulations, and that they are both only going to continue making 100 minute tapes. He basically has in stock whatever he can get, and we can basically get only what he has in stock at the time. What is really amazing is how well the 7" reel tapes have held up over the years. All the reels were plastic/mylar tape which was the 'new thing' back in the 50's and early 60's, and fortunately no acetate tapes were used. Even on a tape recorded in 1955 the sound quality on playback is amazingly good if the original recording was done well, and I haven't seen any problems with oxide coming off, tapes becoming brittle (except for leaders and slices in some cases) or anything like that. The tape that was used was 'good' name brand consumer grade tape, and not the 'best quality' tape by any means. Some of the tapes (both reel and cassette) have been stored in a temperature and humidity controlled room over the years, but most of the earlier tapes have been stored under ordinary household conditions. By and large, the 7" reels have held up much better than the cassette masters. We started using cassette masters in the mid-60s, after cassette technology had been available for a while. We used the best quality TDK tape that was made back then, and we used to buy them in pretty large lots. We ran into a bad batch of TDKs that was produced in the mid to late 60s, and at a certain point a few years ago we began to notice that about 200-300 of our TDK masters were losing oxide like crazy. It wasn't happening to all the masters, but it was happening to a great many of them from this particular batch of TDKs. Fortunately one of the people who was recording these lectures at the time didn't trust the 'new' cassette technology, and immediately copied all the cassette masters onto 7" reel "just in case". If we didn't have these lectures on 7" reel we would be in deep doo-doo as far as trying to archive the material. Some of the tapes are so bad that one playing will ruin the tape and gunk up tape heads really bad, and all of the cassette masters have been stored in a controlled room since they were recorded. When we told TDK of this problem, they did offer to do the right thing and replace any defective tapes, but that doesn't help much for trying to archive material in a medium that will last over a certain period of time. Archiving sound material has become a tricky business, because you just never know how long the medium that you're using is going to last. There is no way to know that what the manufacturers claim for the longevity of their product is actually true. Only time can tell. The CDs we're using are 'guaranteed' for 100 years, but who knows? And as for the quality and shelf life of even the best tape formulations... well, Tom's report has me nervous. I've even considered that maybe we should be making our new analog masters on 7" reels rather than cassettes- but that's a lot of additional expense, and who's to say that reel tape is of any better quality at this point. Seems like the only sure way to preserve valuable recordings over a long period of time is to make back up copies every few years, and for this, as much as I love good old analog sound, the ability to archive sound digitally is very encouraging. But one last thing: as far as preserving sound in an analog medium, Naks cannot be beat! Using Naks for playback and recording in copying tapes in 'real time' gives the highest quality reproduction I have heard. It's the closest in analog of getting an exact copy with very little added noise that I have come across. Well, I hope this rather long rant has been somewhat informative, or at least entertaining. I certainly would like to hear other people's experiences, opinions or advice in regard to tape quality and archiving sound material. Bill Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > I have found that most of the TDK tapes survive quite well over time, > however, the AD's of the early 90's towards the 2000 vintage are quite bad. > I've had some AD's and AR-X tapes go so bad that they are not worth keeping > anymore. They suffer from dropouts, unbalanced track levels due to linear > creases along the tape and poor shell quality. They are not the same tape as > they used to be. I own a variety of AD's from the 70's and 80's, and they > are still going strong. > > Tom. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Dec 8 23:19:09 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 09:19:09 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Fe-Cr tapes Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D2D6@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi George. Yes I've had a look at the tape, unfortunately there were no outer labels just the tape in a clear cover. You are right though about these tapes being a type III, I looked up a simple tape brand chart in the back of one of my hi-fi magazines from 1982 and the tape was listed as a type III. I guess I'll have to try the two suggestions you mentioned and work out which is best. God bless these Naks for having separate bias and eq settings. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: George Valkov [mailto:g_valkov at hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, 9 December 2003 7:39 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Fe-Cr tapes Wrong this time Ron, Fe-Cr are a strange mixed breed. There used to be a type III switch on the decks of that time. Unfortunately it was so long ago (my TC-K81) that I can't remember what the atcual combination of settings it was - Type II with 120 eq or Type I with 70 eq. If you don't have separate controls, you're basically stuffed. The recommendation was to go for Type I if you don't have Type III, but that made them sound overbright. Unless someone comes up with the correct answer, you'll have to work by trial and error, Tom. But definitely not your standard Type II setting, that makes them sound horrible. There should be description on the actual cassette wrapper or even the cassette itself, Tom - have you looked closely ? Rgds George ----Original Message Follows---- From: Ron Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Fe-Cr tapes Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 09:29:07 -0500 TDK MA are metal (type 4) -- set to ZX position. SA are type 2 -- set to SX position. I believe the Sony Fe-Cr tapes are also type 2. -- Ron Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: >Howdy all, hope you are all well. Since we are on the topic of tapes, I >went >to my local flea market on the weekend and purchased a variety of tapes for >as low as 20 cents each. The tapes varied from the TDK MA and SA types down >to the type I BASF, there were also some Sony Fe-Cr tapes. If I were to use >these on my Naks what setting should I set the bias/eq to? > > Regards, > >Tom Siomopoulos ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Mon Dec 8 23:24:27 2003 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 14:24:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Sony Fe-Cr tapes In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D2D4@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <20031208222427.84382.qmail@web40401.mail.yahoo.com> That Fe-Cr tape belongs in a museum (or the dumpster). My dad had an old Sony deck with that setting. I never saw any tapes though. If you really want to use it record using a 3 head deck that has tape monitoring capability and bias tune. Try type 1 and 2 setting and use the one that gives you the closest match between tape and source, vary bias tune to match it up as closely as possible. I suspect that it won't match very well. Scott J. --- Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > Howdy all, hope you are all well. Since we are on > the topic of tapes, I went > to my local flea market on the weekend and purchased > a variety of tapes for > as low as 20 cents each. The tapes varied from the > TDK MA and SA types down > to the type I BASF, there were also some Sony Fe-Cr > tapes. If I were to use > these on my Naks what setting should I set the > bias/eq to? > > Regards, > > Tom Siomopoulos > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Dec 8 23:37:27 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 09:37:27 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Fe-Cr tapes Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D2D9@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> I just remembered something about the tapes. Looking at the spine of the tape where the record tabs are, the shell is that of a type I tape - no extra holes, but looking at the actual tape it looks like a chrome tape just like the BASF chrome tapes of the late 70's. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: George Valkov [mailto:g_valkov at hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, 9 December 2003 7:39 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Fe-Cr tapes Wrong this time Ron, Fe-Cr are a strange mixed breed. There used to be a type III switch on the decks of that time. Unfortunately it was so long ago (my TC-K81) that I can't remember what the atcual combination of settings it was - Type II with 120 eq or Type I with 70 eq. If you don't have separate controls, you're basically stuffed. The recommendation was to go for Type I if you don't have Type III, but that made them sound overbright. Unless someone comes up with the correct answer, you'll have to work by trial and error, Tom. But definitely not your standard Type II setting, that makes them sound horrible. There should be description on the actual cassette wrapper or even the cassette itself, Tom - have you looked closely ? Rgds George ----Original Message Follows---- From: Ron Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Fe-Cr tapes Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 09:29:07 -0500 TDK MA are metal (type 4) -- set to ZX position. SA are type 2 -- set to SX position. I believe the Sony Fe-Cr tapes are also type 2. -- Ron Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: >Howdy all, hope you are all well. Since we are on the topic of tapes, I >went >to my local flea market on the weekend and purchased a variety of tapes for >as low as 20 cents each. The tapes varied from the TDK MA and SA types down >to the type I BASF, there were also some Sony Fe-Cr tapes. If I were to use >these on my Naks what setting should I set the bias/eq to? > > Regards, > >Tom Siomopoulos ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Dec 9 09:37:07 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 08:37:07 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Fe-Cr tapes In-Reply-To: <20031208222427.84382.qmail@web40401.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001d01c3be2f$a11eda80$5b994c51@oemcomputer> Scott said:That Fe-Cr tape belongs in a museum (or the dumpster). Oh, I wouldn't go that far! :o) They may not have beaten the better, improved Chrome tapes but they sure did the old Type I and, if you have one in mint condition and in a decent shell, they'd probably do better than most of today's Ferric cassettes and maybe even some of the poorer crafted Chrome's out there, too ... Some of those "white labelled own brand" Chrome's are awful! Gra' > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.545 / Virus Database: 339 - Release Date: 27/11/03 From g_valkov at hotmail.com Tue Dec 9 10:42:38 2003 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 11:42:38 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Fe-Cr tapes Message-ID: That sounds about right - I am now starting to remember (hazily) that my TC-K81 had a Type I/III setting for bias and separate ones for eq. I think someone just mentioned in this thread that you actually record them as Type I and play back with 70 eq, which could be the case. I had around half a dozen Sony FeCr tapes and they were very good - for the time, i.e. late 70s. George ----Original Message Follows---- From: Thomas Siomopoulos Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Subject: RE: [naktalk] Sony Fe-Cr tapes Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 09:37:27 +1100 I just remembered something about the tapes. Looking at the spine of the tape where the record tabs are, the shell is that of a type I tape - no extra holes, but looking at the actual tape it looks like a chrome tape just like the BASF chrome tapes of the late 70's. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: George Valkov [mailto:g_valkov at hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, 9 December 2003 7:39 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Fe-Cr tapes Wrong this time Ron, Fe-Cr are a strange mixed breed. There used to be a type III switch on the decks of that time. Unfortunately it was so long ago (my TC-K81) that I can't remember what the atcual combination of settings it was - Type II with 120 eq or Type I with 70 eq. If you don't have separate controls, you're basically stuffed. The recommendation was to go for Type I if you don't have Type III, but that made them sound overbright. Unless someone comes up with the correct answer, you'll have to work by trial and error, Tom. But definitely not your standard Type II setting, that makes them sound horrible. There should be description on the actual cassette wrapper or even the cassette itself, Tom - have you looked closely ? Rgds George ----Original Message Follows---- From: Ron Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Fe-Cr tapes Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 09:29:07 -0500 TDK MA are metal (type 4) -- set to ZX position. SA are type 2 -- set to SX position. I believe the Sony Fe-Cr tapes are also type 2. -- Ron Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: >Howdy all, hope you are all well. Since we are on the topic of tapes, I >went >to my local flea market on the weekend and purchased a variety of tapes for >as low as 20 cents each. The tapes varied from the TDK MA and SA types down >to the type I BASF, there were also some Sony Fe-Cr tapes. If I were to use >these on my Naks what setting should I set the bias/eq to? > > Regards, > >Tom Siomopoulos ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Tue Dec 9 22:01:31 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 08:01:31 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Fe-Cr tapes Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D2E0@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Thanks to everyone for their advice. I'm pretty confident that the tape will sound good on the Naks with the settings that everyone advised me on. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Raffaele Grieco [mailto:sinuhe at r-grieco.net] Sent: Tuesday, 9 December 2003 9:07 To: NakTalk list Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Fe-Cr tapes Hi everyone, > > Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > > > >> Howdy all, hope you are all well. Since we are on the topic of tapes, > >> I went > >> to my local flea market on the weekend and purchased a variety of > >> tapes for > >> as low as 20 cents each. The tapes varied from the TDK MA and SA types > >> down > >> to the type I BASF, there were also some Sony Fe-Cr tapes. If I were > >> to use > >> these on my Naks what setting should I set the bias/eq to? FeCr (ferrichrome) type 3 tapes (type 2 on Elcaset standard) need 70 microsec. EQ and 110% bias current; to have a comparison, type 1 need 100% bias and type 2 (chrome) 150%. So the optimum setting is: chrome EQ and Normal bias, with a little increase if you have bias fine-tuning. Hope this helps, Best regards, Raffaele ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From khh at khherrmann.de Tue Dec 9 15:54:59 2003 From: khh at khherrmann.de (Karl-Heinz Herrmann) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 15:54:59 +0100 Subject: AW: [naktalk] RX 505 ISSUES??? In-Reply-To: <002b01c3b0de$e0f903f0$0100000a@amd1333> References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D296@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> <002b01c3b0de$e0f903f0$0100000a@amd1333> Message-ID: <20031209155459.1db63712.khh@khherrmann.de> Hi, On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 10:56:18 +0100 Sven.Schultz at t-online.de (Sven Schultz) wrote: > I've owned a RX505 3 weeks ago - (ebay), which has indeed this capstan > belt problems. Any suggestions where I can get this replacement - > belt's in Europe - or germany, where I come from? > Did you find a solution yet? Years ago I had my RX505 at a repair site in Munich for the free audio checkups (reasonable good impression). They seem to have moved but are still in buisness and 2 years ago they were still willing to service NAKs. Gurinov, 089-768296, Fürstenrieder Str. 262, München Another place I've heard of is in Essen: van Beveren, 0201-842020 with a direct dial to a "Mr. Butler"(?) 8420230 You could let me know if either of them is still there and if you can recommend them :-) K.-H. From bobkwiat at esainc.com Tue Dec 9 22:00:29 2003 From: bobkwiat at esainc.com (Bob Kwiatkowski) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 16:00:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A new (used) NAK 600 owner, help? Message-ID: <3FD637ED.2080906@esainc.com> Hi, Just became the proud owner of a NAK 600. Been told that play/rewind and fast forward aren't working. I haven't received the deck yet but figured I start hunting for the probable cause. Any help or comments? Thanks From RTLehe at aol.com Wed Dec 10 20:56:10 2003 From: RTLehe at aol.com (RTLehe at aol.com) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 14:56:10 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] The other idler issue--again Message-ID: <64AFAB97.41F12335.0004E774@aol.com> OK, by the other idler issue I mean the potential harm that may come to naks when they remain idle for a long time. A couple weeks ago I asked whether it would be advisable to buy deck that was several years old but had never been out of the box. I ended up buying on ebay a DR-3 that was said to have never been used. After using it for a week or so it seems to be fine. It sounds very good and works well, although the transport makes a noise when engaging and disengaging that my CR-1 does not make. Is this normal? But my main question is this. I now have five Nakamichi cassette decks, along with a few from Yamaha, Sony, Aiwa and Denon. I have room for 3 in my various systems. So some are idle. Should I rotate the others in periodically so that all the decks get some use? If so, how often? If I need to put the idlers into service once in a while, how often should I do it to avoid potential problems? I have noticed that some of you out there have several Naks on hand, so perhaps you have some that do not see much use. Do you run them once in a while just to get the cobwebs out? Sorry if it seems that I am fretting too much about a trivial issue, but I have been stockpiling cassette decks in the fear that the obsolecence of the medium will cause the day to come when decent decks and spare parts will not be available. But I also do not want to be stuck with a bunch of decks that don't work because they have been sitting idle for years waiting for their time of service. Tad From horikawa at pacbell.net Thu Dec 11 05:06:02 2003 From: horikawa at pacbell.net (=?iso-2022-jp?B?S2VpamlybyBIb3Jpa2F3YSAvIBskQktZQG43PDwjTzobKEI=?=) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 20:06:02 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nak technician in Los Angeles Message-ID: <001f01c3bf9c$17d75fe0$c9c2fea9@desktop> I am planning on purchasing a Nakamichi, probably 581, but I don't have any knowledge or technique to keep the machine in shape. Could somebody kindly let me know a shop or a person that can do the service work in Southern California, preferably in Orange County? Also if I there is anything I should keep in mind in buying an old Nakamichi, please please let me know. I look forward to kind responses. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Someone asked the other day whether decks should be kept switched on all the time or turned off when not in use. Turn them off, they are not amps!! Also no ill effect from years of use in this way. Specifically, some Naks (and Alpage/Alpine for that matter) have capstans spinning the moment they are turned on. Cheers, Marc The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From teethrus at bigpond.net.au Thu Dec 11 12:01:21 2003 From: teethrus at bigpond.net.au (teethrus at bigpond.net.au) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 22:01:21 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] 580. Message-ID: <3FD84E81.1F3B@bigpond.net.au> Hi Guys I just bought a 580 2 head deck. I have calibrated the bias using the 400 hz tone and that was ok. When i playback something i just recorded on it it sounds tinny and distorted and a bit wishy. I note there r adjusters for the r head height and azimuth. I dont have the destructions to do this. Can anyone help me\Thanks Nick Mega From jmtooley at ce.net Thu Dec 11 13:46:09 2003 From: jmtooley at ce.net (jmtooley at ce.net) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 07:46:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 580. In-Reply-To: <3FD84E81.1F3B@bigpond.net.au> References: <3FD84E81.1F3B@bigpond.net.au> Message-ID: <1071146769.3fd86711ce0af@mail.ce.net> "destructions" would be a good word. Don't play with head alignment! Scrub the heads and that might solve the problem. John T. Quoting teethrus at bigpond.net.au: > Hi Guys > I just bought a 580 2 head deck. I have calibrated the bias using the > 400 hz tone and that was ok. When i playback something i just recorded > on it it sounds tinny and distorted and a bit wishy. I note there r > adjusters for the r head height and azimuth. I dont have the > destructions to do this. Can anyone help me\Thanks > Nick Mega > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From copytec at coqui.net Fri Dec 12 04:50:34 2003 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlitos Jr.) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 21:50:34 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] The other idler issue--again References: Message-ID: <001d01c3c063$195b1240$27773242@coqui.net> You can purchase a cheap "patch bay" and have all the decks connected to one single input/output to your pre or receiver. I have 10 decks and more processor units connected to a Tascam patchbay. I paid 85.00 for it. It works very good and since it is completely passive the sound is not affected as long as you use good quality patch cords. Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hugo" To: ; Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 2:52 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] The other idler issue--again > Hi Tad, > > That is what I do - I have only inputs for twd decks on most of my > amps, although usually use three (one running as a playback unit into > one of the auxilaries. I rotate them every couple of months - get some > out of boxes, put other ones away. I have an Alpage AL-50 that I have > owned since 1983 and have used it in this way. Sometimes, it's been > unused for as long as 6 months. There have been no ill effects from > this regimen. Indeed, it operates flawlessly (sound like an e-bay > blarney doesn't it!! All my decks are rotated this way other than a > TASCAM 112 which I have no box for. I never subject my Naks to hours on > end of work. Someone asked the other day whether decks should be kept > switched on all the time or turned off when not in use. Turn them off, > they are not amps!! Also no ill effect from years of use in this way. > Specifically, some Naks (and Alpage/Alpine for that matter) have > capstans spinning the moment they are turned on. > > Cheers, > > Marc > > The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject > to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more > attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the > named recipient/s. > > If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose > or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. > If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to > this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. > > All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present > in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising > from the use of this email or attachments. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From jerryjg at webtv.net Fri Dec 12 02:38:08 2003 From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:38:08 -0600 (CST) Subject: [naktalk] Quality of recordings for pre-recorded tapes Message-ID: <10843-3FD91C00-1541@storefull-2236.public.lawson.webtv.net> hi,i am stilllooking for info. on anyones experience with the following pe-recorded classical tape producers; Deutsche Grammaphone,Columbia,C.B.S., Musical Heritage Society,Everest,Virgin,and Angel. thank you very much, gerald From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Thu Dec 11 15:21:15 2003 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:21:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak technician in Los Angeles Message-ID: Have you contacted the service dept. of Nakamichi in Torrence ? I was told the factory still services all their products. Neil >From: "Keijiro Horikawa / �x��[���Y" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: >Subject: [naktalk] Nak technician in Los Angeles >Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 20:06:02 -0800 > >I am planning on purchasing a Nakamichi, probably 581, but I don't have any >knowledge or technique to keep the machine in shape. Could somebody kindly >let me know a shop or a person that can do the service work in Southern >California, preferably in Orange County? Also if I there is anything I >should keep in mind in buying an old Nakamichi, please please let me know. >I look forward to kind responses. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Don�t worry if your Inbox will max out while you are enjoying the holidays. Get MSN Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Dec 11 22:06:07 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:06:07 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] 580. Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D2EE@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> You can also try degaussing the heads too. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: jmtooley at ce.net [mailto:jmtooley at ce.net] Sent: Thursday, 11 December 2003 11:46 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] 580. "destructions" would be a good word. Don't play with head alignment! Scrub the heads and that might solve the problem. John T. Quoting teethrus at bigpond.net.au: > Hi Guys > I just bought a 580 2 head deck. I have calibrated the bias using the > 400 hz tone and that was ok. When i playback something i just recorded > on it it sounds tinny and distorted and a bit wishy. I note there r > adjusters for the r head height and azimuth. I dont have the > destructions to do this. Can anyone help me\Thanks > Nick Mega > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wolfbob at csnsys.com Fri Dec 12 09:37:42 2003 From: wolfbob at csnsys.com (wolfbob) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 00:37:42 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nak technician in Los Angeles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FD97E56.7040003@csnsys.com> Also try: Tap Electronics 2392 E. Artesia Blvd. LongBeach, CA (562) 423-4255 Ask for Ted, the Dragon specialist...none better. WBob neil lipes wrote: > Have you contacted the service dept. of Nakamichi in Torrence ? > > I was told the factory still services all their products. > > Neil > > >> From: "Keijiro Horikawa / �x��[���Y" >> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> To: >> Subject: [naktalk] Nak technician in Los Angeles >> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 20:06:02 -0800 >> >> I am planning on purchasing a Nakamichi, probably 581, but I don't >> have any >> knowledge or technique to keep the machine in shape. Could somebody >> kindly >> let me know a shop or a person that can do the service work in Southern >> California, preferably in Orange County? Also if I there is anything I >> should keep in mind in buying an old Nakamichi, please please let me >> know. >> I look forward to kind responses. >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Don�t worry if your Inbox will max out while you are enjoying the > holidays. Get MSN Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From teethrus at bigpond.net.au Sat Dec 13 06:22:02 2003 From: teethrus at bigpond.net.au (teethrus at bigpond.net.au) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 16:22:02 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 580 M Message-ID: <3FDAA1FA.3783@bigpond.net.au> I posted a message re the adjustment of the recording head height and asimuth. I have cleaned the heads etc and it still sounds really average so i know they need adjusting... can anyone help me with the proceedure? Thanks Nick Mega Australia From b.coopmans at home.nl Sat Dec 13 13:38:32 2003 From: b.coopmans at home.nl (B Coopmans) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 13:38:32 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] scatching noise Message-ID: <000001c3c176$05b9a4e0$0301a8c0@cp245588a> Hi, My LX-3 sometimes makes a scratching noise when I press the stop button. Does anyone know what it can be? Is it some dirt in a rotating part (and what part can it be)? It happens when the head-assembly drops to its stop position. Greetings Rob Coopmans -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From timbarrett at cox.net Sat Dec 13 16:51:06 2003 From: timbarrett at cox.net (timbarrett at cox.net) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 10:51:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] scatching noise In-Reply-To: <000001c3c176$05b9a4e0$0301a8c0@cp245588a> Message-ID: <3FDAEF1A.10841.4FFBD4@localhost> Hi Rob - It's probably the pulley which turns the cam making the noise. If you remove the cover and look at the back right end of the transport, through a rectangular hole in the aluminum plate you'll see a white plastic pulley which is belt driven by a small motor. This pulley turns the big cam gear which moves the head assembly up and down and manipulates other parts of the transport. With age, the lubricant on the shaft stops doing it's job, and the plastic chatters as it rotates spins on the shaft. You can tear the transport apart and clean and lube the whole thing. Or for a quick fix (which will probably fix it for a few years) you can put a drop of fine oil on the clip at the end of the shaft and let it work it's way in by going from stop to play to stop to play repeatedly. Be careful not to get any oil on the belt which turns this pulley. Tim > > Hi, > > My LX-3 sometimes makes a scratching noise when I press the stop > button. Does anyone know what it can be? Is it some dirt in a rotating > part (and what part can it be)? It happens when the head-assembly > drops to its stop position. > > Greetings > Rob Coopmans > > > From horikawa at pacbell.net Sat Dec 13 19:20:43 2003 From: horikawa at pacbell.net (=?iso-2022-jp?B?S2VpamlybyBIb3Jpa2F3YSAvIBskQktZQG43PDwjTzobKEI=?=) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 10:20:43 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Japanese version Message-ID: <001101c3c1a5$d27121a0$c9c2fea9@desktop> I am interested in 680ZX and 670ZX for sale in Japan. They are of course designed for the use in Japanese household with 100V, 50/60Hz. I wonder if there would be any trouble using them in the U.S. with 120V to 100V transformers. Is anyone in the U.S. using a Nakamichi for Japanese market? Please let me know if you have any idea on this issue. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BOEING747600 at aol.com Mon Dec 15 04:36:09 2003 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 22:36:09 EST Subject: [naktalk] serivce manual for nakamichi rx 505 , problem with auto reverse does not flip Message-ID: <1d7.164a6949.2d0e8629@aol.com> Hi Friends! Will some kind! soul send me a copy of the serivce manual for rx 505 cassette deck , it will be greatly appreciated! The problem is that auto reverse mechanism does not flip the tape and does not play the cassette , any help in this regard will also be much appreciated. Thanks! Sikander -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Mon Dec 15 08:51:13 2003 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 02:51:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] serivce manual for nakamichi rx 505 , problem with auto reverse does not flip Message-ID: Si: Contact George Thomason 1724 Ashtree Ct. Fairfield, Cal 94534 He has all the popular Nak service manuals. >From: BOEING747600 at aol.com >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] serivce manual for nakamichi rx 505 ,problem with auto >reverse does not flip Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 22:36:09 EST > >Hi Friends! Will some kind! soul send me a copy of the serivce manual for >rx 505 cassette deck , it will be greatly appreciated! The problem is >that >auto reverse mechanism does not flip the tape and does not play the >cassette , >any help in this regard will also be much appreciated. Thanks! > > >Sikander >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Wonder if the latest virus has gotten to your computer? Find out. Run the FREE McAfee online computer scan! http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Dec 15 11:08:48 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 11:08:48 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] Transtec Nak support Message-ID: <5340.212.78.179.234.1071482928.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> I heared this weekend that Ducth Nak distributer Transtec stops servicing Naks january 1st! They already transferred a lot of parts to Nak-UK (B&W) who will be THE service point from january on. I just spoke to Tom van der Hoff and he is not happy with the situation. It's a sad day. Wouter From merten.hermann at bayerpolymers.com Mon Dec 15 11:18:17 2003 From: merten.hermann at bayerpolymers.com (merten.hermann at bayerpolymers.com) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 11:18:17 +0100 Subject: Antwort: [naktalk] Transtec Nak support Message-ID: Wouter, I heard about this too, from Martin Goosen of Transtec. I had my decks serviced there and was very happy with them. Do you know anything about the background why? I assume from your mail that B&W is the official Nak importer in the U.K.? Do you have their complete address/contacts? I also understand that they will be the ONLY service point in Europe!? Merten An: naktalk at naks.com Kopie: Thema: [naktalk] Transtec Nak support naktalk-bounces at naks.com Received : 15.12.2003 11:09 Bitte antworten an Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks I heared this weekend that Ducth Nak distributer Transtec stops servicing Naks january 1st! They already transferred a lot of parts to Nak-UK (B&W) who will be THE service point from january on. I just spoke to Tom van der Hoff and he is not happy with the situation. It's a sad day. Wouter ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Dec 15 12:02:16 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:02:16 +0100 (CET) Subject: Antwort: [naktalk] Transtec Nak support In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <24370.212.78.179.234.1071486136.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Hi Merten, What i understand is that Transtec did support because they sold Naks and sales/support kind of kept each other in balance. Now that sales basis is gone support isn't justified anymore. It is all understanable... I think there will be more service points, but to my knowledge B&W is the only official service point. Then i prefer a local service point, shipping my 1000ZXL to the UK and having all it's (fragile) boards inside rocked by trasport is a nightmare i don't want to think about.... Wouter > > Wouter, > I heard about this too, from Martin Goosen of Transtec. I had my decks > serviced > there and was very happy with them. Do you know anything about the > background > why? > I assume from your mail that B&W is the official Nak importer in the U.K.? > Do > you have their complete address/contacts? I also understand that they will > be > the ONLY service point in Europe!? > > Merten > > > > > > An: naktalk at naks.com > Kopie: > Thema: [naktalk] > Transtec Nak support > > naktalk-bounces at naks.com > Received : 15.12.2003 > 11:09 > Bitte antworten an Talk > about Nakamichi Cassette > Decks > > > > > > > I heared this weekend that Ducth Nak distributer Transtec stops servicing > Naks january 1st! > They already transferred a lot of parts to Nak-UK (B&W) who will be THE > service point from january on. > I just spoke to Tom van der Hoff and he is not happy with the situation. > It's a sad day. > > Wouter > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From lists at richardhess.com Mon Dec 15 13:03:21 2003 From: lists at richardhess.com (Richard L. Hess) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 04:03:21 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Transtec Nak support In-Reply-To: <5340.212.78.179.234.1071482928.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20031215040215.034de570@127.0.0.1> Wouter, Be happy the parts were transferred and not thrown away. I could tell sad stories about professional tape machines where the parts were destroyed, but I don't have 100% evidence--only word of mouth--so I won't say. Cheers! Richard At 11:08 AM 12/15/2003 +0100, you wrote: >I heared this weekend that Ducth Nak distributer Transtec stops servicing >Naks january 1st! >They already transferred a lot of parts to Nak-UK (B&W) who will be THE >service point from january on. >I just spoke to Tom van der Hoff and he is not happy with the situation. >It's a sad day. > >Wouter From kh1dump at khherrmann.de Mon Dec 15 19:45:32 2003 From: kh1dump at khherrmann.de (Karl-Heinz Herrmann) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 19:45:32 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] serivce manual for nakamichi rx 505 , problem with auto reverse does not flip In-Reply-To: <1d7.164a6949.2d0e8629@aol.com> References: <1d7.164a6949.2d0e8629@aol.com> Message-ID: <20031215194532.1b3db436.kh1dump@khherrmann.de> On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 22:36:09 EST BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: > Hi Friends! Will some kind! soul send me a copy of the serivce > manual for rx 505 cassette deck , it will be greatly appreciated! > The problem is that auto reverse mechanism does not flip the tape and > does not play the cassette , any help in this regard will also be much > appreciated. Thanks! I've the full RX505 Service manual here and I scanned it a while back. The problem: the pdf or raw image (high compressed png or jpg) are of the order of 50MB which is too much for my modem line (upload is 33.6 i.e. 0.2MB/min). I've fooled around with a highly compressed format called djvu -- have a look at www.djvu.com for a win-viewer (Mac and Unix is also available). These files are about 12MB and I would be willing to send them. Alternatively you choose a few pages from the manual contents ( I can send the contents page). K.-H. From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Dec 15 20:05:24 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:05:24 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] The new site Message-ID: <3FDE05F3.DDCEBA99@xs4all.nl> Hi All, I mentioned before i'll try to have the new site online 1/1/2004 but this won't be possible. But i do want to share some screenshots with all of you to show the direction it is going to: The new homepage with pulldown menu containing lots of ways to get through to products and a rotating amount of articles written by owners on their nak ('MyNak") and spotlight models: http://www.naks.com/homepage2.jpg A detail page this time on ABLE, showing the decks that have this option and explainig what is is all about http://www.naks.com/ablepage.jpg The blank spots next to the products still have to be filled with text about these products. And another way to look at models by 'productlineup', this time the year is 1973 http://www.naks.com/lineup1973.jpg This is just a small bit, there's lots more... and lots more work todo for me. Wouter From jmtooley at ce.net Mon Dec 15 20:58:09 2003 From: jmtooley at ce.net (jmtooley at ce.net) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:58:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] The new site In-Reply-To: <3FDE05F3.DDCEBA99@xs4all.nl> References: <3FDE05F3.DDCEBA99@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <1071518289.3fde12519101e@mail.ce.net> A work of art waiting to be born. John T. Quoting Wouter Heijke : > Hi All, > > I mentioned before i'll try to have the new site online 1/1/2004 but > this won't be possible. > But i do want to share some screenshots with all of you to show the > direction it is going to: > > The new homepage with pulldown menu containing lots of ways to get > through to products and a rotating amount of articles written by owners > on their nak ('MyNak") and spotlight models: > http://www.naks.com/homepage2.jpg > > A detail page this time on ABLE, showing the decks that have this option > and explainig what is is all about > http://www.naks.com/ablepage.jpg > The blank spots next to the products still have to be filled with text > about these products. > > And another way to look at models by 'productlineup', this time the year > is 1973 > http://www.naks.com/lineup1973.jpg > > This is just a small bit, there's lots more... and lots more work todo > for me. > > Wouter > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Dec 15 22:02:08 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 21:02:08 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Transtec Nak support In-Reply-To: <5340.212.78.179.234.1071482928.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <000001c3c34e$b4afee80$c560893e@oemcomputer> Oh, the top man and he can't service Nak's .... That is very sad. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Wouter Heijke Sent: 15 December 2003 10:09 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Transtec Nak support I heared this weekend that Ducth Nak distributer Transtec stops servicing Naks january 1st! They already transferred a lot of parts to Nak-UK (B&W) who will be THE service point from january on. I just spoke to Tom van der Hoff and he is not happy with the situation. It's a sad day. Wouter ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. 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Quoting Wouter Heijke : > Hi All, > > I mentioned before i'll try to have the new site online 1/1/2004 but > this won't be possible. > But i do want to share some screenshots with all of you to show the > direction it is going to: > > The new homepage with pulldown menu containing lots of ways to get > through to products and a rotating amount of articles written by owners > on their nak ('MyNak") and spotlight models: > http://www.naks.com/homepage2.jpg > > A detail page this time on ABLE, showing the decks that have this option > and explainig what is is all about > http://www.naks.com/ablepage.jpg > The blank spots next to the products still have to be filled with text > about these products. > > And another way to look at models by 'productlineup', this time the year > is 1973 > http://www.naks.com/lineup1973.jpg > > This is just a small bit, there's lots more... and lots more work todo > for me. > > Wouter > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.548 / Virus Database: 341 - Release Date: 05/12/03 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.548 / Virus Database: 341 - Release Date: 05/12/03 From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Dec 15 22:35:27 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 08:35:27 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] The new site Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D2F3@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Wouter what can I say but "Michael Angelo eat your heart out" ;) Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Wouter Heijke [mailto:wheijke at xs4all.nl] Sent: Tuesday, 16 December 2003 6:05 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] The new site Hi All, I mentioned before i'll try to have the new site online 1/1/2004 but this won't be possible. But i do want to share some screenshots with all of you to show the direction it is going to: The new homepage with pulldown menu containing lots of ways to get through to products and a rotating amount of articles written by owners on their nak ('MyNak") and spotlight models: http://www.naks.com/homepage2.jpg A detail page this time on ABLE, showing the decks that have this option and explainig what is is all about http://www.naks.com/ablepage.jpg The blank spots next to the products still have to be filled with text about these products. And another way to look at models by 'productlineup', this time the year is 1973 http://www.naks.com/lineup1973.jpg This is just a small bit, there's lots more... and lots more work todo for me. Wouter ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Dec 15 22:41:13 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 08:41:13 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] serivce manual for nakamichi rx 505 , problem with auto reverse does not flip Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D2F5@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> What actually happens with the unit, does it simply not flip the tape over or does it try to and fail? Tom. -----Original Message----- From: BOEING747600 at aol.com [mailto:BOEING747600 at aol.com] Sent: Monday, 15 December 2003 2:36 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] serivce manual for nakamichi rx 505 , problem with auto reverse does not flip Hi Friends! Will some kind! soul send me a copy of the serivce manual for rx 505 cassette deck , it will be greatly appreciated! The problem is that auto reverse mechanism does not flip the tape and does not play the cassette , any help in this regard will also be much appreciated. Thanks! Sikander -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Dec 15 22:54:12 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 08:54:12 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] scatching noise Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D2F8@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Rob does the scratchy noise come through the speakers or is it heard from the actual mechanism itself. I own a 480 which is also a 2 head deck and it made a odd gear noise, it turned out to be the steel cable that ran to the mode switch on the main pcb that switches the deck from play mode into record mode, the cable was rubbing against the cam gear, so I re-positioned it and no more noise. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: B Coopmans [mailto:b.coopmans at home.nl] Sent: Saturday, 13 December 2003 11:39 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] scatching noise Hi, My LX-3 sometimes makes a scratching noise when I press the stop button. Does anyone know what it can be? Is it some dirt in a rotating part (and what part can it be)? It happens when the head-assembly drops to its stop position. Greetings Rob Coopmans -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Dec 15 23:13:42 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:13:42 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 580 M Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D2F9@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> I guess the best way to adjust the heads on your 580M without official calibration tapes is to create your own. Do you own another decent deck? You will have to create your own calibration tape, to do this you will need the following... 1 good quality cassette - try Maxell or TDK chrome or metal type. 1 good quality cassette deck 1 test tone generator - either software based or hardware Patience and time First connect the good quality deck (not your 580M) to the signal generator. Insert the cassette and fast forward till you reach the middle of the tape. Make sure you have the Dolby circuit off and the bias/eq settings in the correct mode. Connect the test tone generator to your deck and set it to produce a 400 Hz sine wave, set the record levels to 0dB, record this signal onto the cassette for about 2 mins. When this has finished put the deck into the pause mode and set the test tone generator to produce a 15 KHz sine wave, adjust the deck so that the meters read -20 dB, record this signal onto the tape for about 2 mins. Now that you have generated the home made calibration tape you are ready to adjust the 580M. Insert the tape into the 580M, turn the Dolby circuit off and adjust the bias/eq. Remove the transparent cassette well cover to access the adjustment screws. Play back the 400Hz test tone and adjust the head height screw until the meters reach 0Db (or the highest level possible), the deck that you use to generate the tape may have been calibrated differently from the Nak so try to get those needles to go as high as possible. Once you have done this play back the 15KHz test tone and adjust the azimuth (screw located on the far right) and adjust until your meters reach their peak. This should just about do you, the do-it-yourself head height and azimuth adjustment. I know what you are all thinking and yes it seems like a crude way of calibrating your naks but the great Stephen Sank suggested this to me some time ago and it works quite well. Nick I hope this works out for you. Regard, Tom Siomopoulos Australia. -----Original Message----- From: teethrus at bigpond.net.au [mailto:teethrus at bigpond.net.au] Sent: Saturday, 13 December 2003 4:22 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nak 580 M I posted a message re the adjustment of the recording head height and asimuth. I have cleaned the heads etc and it still sounds really average so i know they need adjusting... can anyone help me with the proceedure? Thanks Nick Mega Australia ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at comcast.net Mon Dec 15 23:38:32 2003 From: c123666 at comcast.net (Carl Cobb) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:38:32 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 580 M References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D2F9@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <002401c3c35c$2b8a7e50$1702a8c0@mine> Can anybody here comment from direct experience on the reliability and performance of the Nakamichi mobile audio units: mb-75 mb-100 CD-45z CD-40z CD-400 I am considering acquiring a mb-75 or mb-100 for use in a Mercedes 300TE but am concerned about reliability from something that has to be rather complex mechanically. My first instinct is to simply acquire a CD-40 as I do not want a remote changer. But, if the MB units are somewhat reliable and get a thumbs up from this forum I'll take a chance since used prices are very reasonable on these units (maybe there is a reason for the great used prices.....) A McIntosh MC420 will be used for amplification. Thanks, Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 2:13 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak 580 M > I guess the best way to adjust the heads on your 580M without official > calibration tapes is to create your own. Do you own another decent deck? You > will have to create your own calibration tape, to do this you will need the > following... > > 1 good quality cassette - try Maxell or TDK chrome or metal type. > 1 good quality cassette deck > 1 test tone generator - either software based or hardware > Patience and time > > First connect the good quality deck (not your 580M) to the signal > generator. Insert the cassette and fast forward till you reach the middle of > the tape. Make sure you have the Dolby circuit off and the bias/eq settings > in the correct mode. Connect the test tone generator to your deck and set it > to produce a 400 Hz sine wave, set the record levels to 0dB, record this > signal onto the cassette for about 2 mins. When this has finished put the > deck into the pause mode and set the test tone generator to produce a 15 KHz > sine wave, adjust the deck so that the meters read -20 dB, record this > signal onto the tape for about 2 mins. > > Now that you have generated the home made calibration tape you are > ready to adjust the 580M. Insert the tape into the 580M, turn the Dolby > circuit off and adjust the bias/eq. Remove the transparent cassette well > cover to access the adjustment screws. Play back the 400Hz test tone and > adjust the head height screw until the meters reach 0Db (or the highest > level possible), the deck that you use to generate the tape may have been > calibrated differently from the Nak so try to get those needles to go as > high as possible. Once you have done this play back the 15KHz test tone and > adjust the azimuth (screw located on the far right) and adjust until your > meters reach their peak. This should just about do you, the do-it-yourself > head height and azimuth adjustment. > > I know what you are all thinking and yes it seems like a crude way > of calibrating your naks but the great Stephen Sank suggested this to me > some time ago and it works quite well. > > Nick I hope this works out for you. > > Regard, > > Tom Siomopoulos > Australia. > > -----Original Message----- > From: teethrus at bigpond.net.au [mailto:teethrus at bigpond.net.au] > Sent: Saturday, 13 December 2003 4:22 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Nak 580 M > > > I posted a message re the adjustment of the recording head height and > asimuth. I have cleaned the heads etc and it still sounds really average > so i know they need adjusting... can anyone help me with the proceedure? > Thanks > Nick Mega > Australia > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From kjbleus at charter.net Tue Dec 16 03:29:40 2003 From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:29:40 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] The new site Message-ID: <001a01c3c37c$75508c80$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6> Wouter, Your preview images show a great leap forward in the Naks.Com webpage design. Congratulations and we're eagerly awaiting the unveiling of the whole new site! Can you provide a preview table of contents soon? Happy Holidays K.J. Bleus Madison, Wisc USA kjbleus at charter.net Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:05:24 +0100 From: Wouter Heijke Subject: [naktalk] The new site To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <3FDE05F3.DDCEBA99 at xs4all.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi All, I mentioned before i'll try to have the new site online 1/1/2004 but this won't be possible. But i do want to share some screenshots with all of you to show the direction it is going to: The new homepage with pulldown menu containing lots of ways to get through to products and a rotating amount of articles written by owners on their nak ('MyNak") and spotlight models: http://www.naks.com/homepage2.jpg A detail page this time on ABLE, showing the decks that have this option and explainig what is is all about http://www.naks.com/ablepage.jpg The blank spots next to the products still have to be filled with text about these products. And another way to look at models by 'productlineup', this time the year is 1973 http://www.naks.com/lineup1973.jpg This is just a small bit, there's lots more... and lots more work todo for me. Wouter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Adam On 16 Dec 03, at 3:05 AM, Wouter Heijke wrote: > Hi All, > > I mentioned before i'll try to have the new site online 1/1/2004 but > this won't be possible. > But i do want to share some screenshots with all of you to show the > direction it is going to: > > The new homepage with pulldown menu containing lots of ways to get > through to products and a rotating amount of articles written by owners > on their nak ('MyNak") and spotlight models: > http://www.naks.com/homepage2.jpg > > A detail page this time on ABLE, showing the decks that have this > option > and explainig what is is all about > http://www.naks.com/ablepage.jpg > The blank spots next to the products still have to be filled with text > about these products. > > And another way to look at models by 'productlineup', this time the > year > is 1973 > http://www.naks.com/lineup1973.jpg > > This is just a small bit, there's lots more... and lots more work todo > for me. > > Wouter > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > From vferdman at yahoo.com Tue Dec 16 17:10:02 2003 From: vferdman at yahoo.com (Vladimir Ferdman) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 08:10:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Pitch Control om MR-1 Doesn't work In-Reply-To: <200312161100.hBGB0CG1011268@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <20031216161002.89671.qmail@web10403.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, all. I have got an MR-1 with a non-functioning pitch control. When twisting the knob counterclickwise for lower pitch, nothing at all happens. When twisting for higher pitch, somewhere between center (normal pitch) and the high pitch extreme I get a slight jump in pitch and then, if I keep going with the knob, the pitch goes back to normal again. Is the pitch control pot kaput? Please advise if this is easily repairable (or at all) by a DIY tech like myself. I am capable of soldering and working/troubleshooting electronics. I need to make a descision about this deck as I am faced with a choice of returning it to the seller or getting a considerable amount of purchase price back. the deck seems ok otherwise and contains an idler gear upgrade (I peeked). After playing with both a BX-300 and this MR-1, I kind of prefer BX-300 for my needs as I mostly use the deck in the home stereo system and do most of my field recording with a DAT. I was a bit tempted to use the MR-1 for field work to compare it to the DAT, but not sure this will be convinient enough for me to pull the deck from my home rack every time. I also miss the fine bias adjust on the MR-1 and the master fader feature (it's a cute toy). So, I am kind of partial to sending the MR-1 back unless the pitch control problem is easily fixed. If it is, I can hang on to the MR-1 as a second deck. I am absolutely blown away with the sound quality from either of these two machines, BTW. I owned an old BX-1 (or 100, I don't remember, it's been a while) that I got used and it never worked right and eventually stopped taking up tape (idler wheel?) and I got rid of it, as I was never that impressed with its sound quality (it was probably in need of adjustment and I would never throw away a Nak now that I am wiser). These machines that I got now, though, completely mezmorize me with their sound. Sorry for the verbage, had to tell someone! Best to all, Vladimir __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From vferdman at yahoo.com Tue Dec 16 17:23:35 2003 From: vferdman at yahoo.com (Vladimir Ferdman) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 08:23:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Are TDK MA-110 tapes ok? In-Reply-To: <200312161100.hBGB0CG1011268@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <20031216162335.22106.qmail@web10402.mail.yahoo.com> Another question. My BX-300 seems to eat TDK MA-110 tapes. Is this normal or does it need some kind of help? I know that 110 minute tapes are probably very thin and the older Naks may not have been designed to handle such a thin material. Is this correct or does my BX-300 need help? If it needs help, where sould I start looking? I am thinking the left pinch roller may need replacement? The reason I think that is the tapes get eaten in the following way. The tape gets all crunched up and turnes into a thin plastic rope. This happens to the left of the heads, i.e. right after the left pinch roller/capstan. All other tapes play just fine on that transport, but this MA-110 (I have two of them and they both behave the same) does this thing. It does not happen right away either, sometimes it plays ok for a while (and sounds awsome!), then the sound goes to crap and the crunched up tape makes this sound you'd expect to hear from a plastic rope making its way through a tape transport. What to do? BTW, this is the deck I have replaced the idler tire on with great help of this forum. Thank you very much, everyone! It was fairly easy and satisfiyng as the deck went from dead to working with possible exception of this MA-110 problem. Thank you all again, Vladimir __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From fidelman at telcel.net.ve Tue Dec 16 17:24:56 2003 From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:24:56 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] The new site References: <3FDE05F3.DDCEBA99@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <009401c3c3f1$28895790$0f6523c8@g8nsv> Awesome Wouter!!! Simple awesome!!! Isy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wouter Heijke" To: Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 3:05 PM Subject: [naktalk] The new site > Hi All, > > I mentioned before i'll try to have the new site online 1/1/2004 but > this won't be possible. > But i do want to share some screenshots with all of you to show the > direction it is going to: > > The new homepage with pulldown menu containing lots of ways to get > through to products and a rotating amount of articles written by owners > on their nak ('MyNak") and spotlight models: > http://www.naks.com/homepage2.jpg > > A detail page this time on ABLE, showing the decks that have this option > and explainig what is is all about > http://www.naks.com/ablepage.jpg > The blank spots next to the products still have to be filled with text > about these products. > > And another way to look at models by 'productlineup', this time the year > is 1973 > http://www.naks.com/lineup1973.jpg > > This is just a small bit, there's lots more... and lots more work todo > for me. > > Wouter > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Tue Dec 16 17:43:50 2003 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 11:43:50 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Are TDK MA-110 tapes ok? Message-ID: Vladimir: I have been using MA-110 in my RX-505 for some years now...no problems. Neil >From: Vladimir Ferdman >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Are TDK MA-110 tapes ok? >Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 08:23:35 -0800 (PST) > >Another question. My BX-300 seems to eat TDK MA-110 tapes. Is this normal >or does it need some >kind of help? I know that 110 minute tapes are probably very thin and the >older Naks may not have >been designed to handle such a thin material. Is this correct or does my >BX-300 need help? If it >needs help, where sould I start looking? I am thinking the left pinch >roller may need >replacement? The reason I think that is the tapes get eaten in the >following way. The tape gets >all crunched up and turnes into a thin plastic rope. This happens to the >left of the heads, i.e. >right after the left pinch roller/capstan. All other tapes play just fine >on that transport, but >this MA-110 (I have two of them and they both behave the same) does this >thing. It does not >happen right away either, sometimes it plays ok for a while (and sounds >awsome!), then the sound >goes to crap and the crunched up tape makes this sound you'd expect to hear >from a plastic rope >making its way through a tape transport. What to do? > >BTW, this is the deck I have replaced the idler tire on with great help of >this forum. Thank you >very much, everyone! It was fairly easy and satisfiyng as the deck went >from dead to working with >possible exception of this MA-110 problem. > >Thank you all again, >Vladimir > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. >http://photos.yahoo.com/ >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Cell phone �switch� rules are taking effect � find out more here. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/consumeradvocate.armx From khmerideth at anderson.edu Tue Dec 16 18:22:26 2003 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:22:26 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Are TDK MA-110 tapes ok? Message-ID: Vladimir, Have been recording/playing MA110 and MX110 (Maxell) on 680ZX, MR-1, CR-7A, Dragon, ZX-9 and 550 (play only--not metal compatible for record) with no problems, as long as the pressure rollers are kept clean. Another possibility; if your version of the MA110 is the sonically welded shell, it may be the cause of the jamming. Shortly after TDK dropped the 5-screw assemble shell and went to the sonically welded shell, I had 60, 90 and 110 minute tapes that would jam, even in my ReVox B-215. After the initial changeover, TDK seems to have gotten their act together with little, or no, jamming. Have not discovered any identifying marks for tipping off whether the tapes are of the early or late version of sonically welded shells. The left-hand pancake of tape is seizing up and the capstans are trying to pull the tape through. It sounds like the tape travel sensor is not operating correctly, as it should shut down the drive mechanism when the feed reel stops rotating. I'm not sure how that is adjusted. This is only a projected idea of how this is occurring, as I have not had the degree of tape destruction you are describing, only slightly stretched and/or wrinkled tape. Maybe some others will have a better suggestion. Enjoy the music (when the tapes play correctly)! Kent Merideth P.S. Most of my live master tapes are made on one of my MR-1 decks using MA110 tape, which is copied onto a MA90 (MR-1 to MR-1 using the XLR I/O's), if it will fit, time-wise. Sometimes I'll run a 90 on one and a 110 on another, just in case the tape turnover point works out ok, without losing any of the concert/recital. >>> vferdman at yahoo.com 12/16/03 11:23AM >>> Another question. My BX-300 seems to eat TDK MA-110 tapes. Is this normal or does it need some kind of help? I know that 110 minute tapes are probably very thin and the older Naks may not have been designed to handle such a thin material. Is this correct or does my BX-300 need help? If it needs help, where sould I start looking? I am thinking the left pinch roller may need replacement? The reason I think that is the tapes get eaten in the following way. The tape gets all crunched up and turnes into a thin plastic rope. This happens to the left of the heads, i.e. right after the left pinch roller/capstan. All other tapes play just fine on that transport, but this MA-110 (I have two of them and they both behave the same) does this thing. It does not happen right away either, sometimes it plays ok for a while (and sounds awsome!), then the sound goes to crap and the crunched up tape makes this sound you'd expect to hear from a plastic rope making its way through a tape transport. What to do? BTW, this is the deck I have replaced the idler tire on with great help of this forum. Thank you very much, everyone! It was fairly easy and satisfiyng as the deck went from dead to working with possible exception of this MA-110 problem. Thank you all again, Vladimir __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Tue Dec 16 19:17:04 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:17:04 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Pitch Control om MR-1 Doesn't work Message-ID: <63581a635090.63509063581a@vsnl.net> Hi Vladimir The control for pitch is actually single pot ( I think I have a brand new spare with me - nak parts department sent that instead of fine bias pot which is a dual pot- so do not worry incase the pot is busted !) with a shielded cable connecting to a connector - I assume it is like Bx300 control? If the connector has been disconnected Motor will work with correct speed but pitch control will not work . So peep inside and verify that this pot is connected and is working. Hope you get a solution soon kannan ----- Original Message ----- From: Vladimir Ferdman Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 8:10 am Subject: [naktalk] Pitch Control om MR-1 Doesn't work > Hi, all. I have got an MR-1 with a non-functioning pitch control. > When twisting the knob > counterclickwise for lower pitch, nothing at all happens. When > twisting for higher pitch, > somewhere between center (normal pitch) and the high pitch extreme > I get a slight jump in pitch > and then, if I keep going with the knob, the pitch goes back to > normal again. Is the pitch > control pot kaput? Please advise if this is easily repairable (or > at all) by a DIY tech like > myself. I am capable of soldering and working/troubleshooting > electronics. I need to make a > descision about this deck as I am faced with a choice of returning > it to the seller or getting a > considerable amount of purchase price back. the deck seems ok > otherwise and contains an idler > gear upgrade (I peeked). After playing with both a BX-300 and > this MR-1, I kind of prefer BX-300 > for my needs as I mostly use the deck in the home stereo system > and do most of my field recording > with a DAT. I was a bit tempted to use the MR-1 for field work to > compare it to the DAT, but not > sure this will be convinient enough for me to pull the deck from > my home rack every time. I also > miss the fine bias adjust on the MR-1 and the master fader feature > (it's a cute toy). So, I am > kind of partial to sending the MR-1 back unless the pitch control > problem is easily fixed. If it > is, I can hang on to the MR-1 as a second deck. I am absolutely > blown away with the sound quality > from either of these two machines, BTW. I owned an old BX-1 (or > 100, I don't remember, it's been > a while) that I got used and it never worked right and eventually > stopped taking up tape (idler > wheel?) and I got rid of it, as I was never that impressed with > its sound quality (it was probably > in need of adjustment and I would never throw away a Nak now that > I am wiser). These machines > that I got now, though, completely mezmorize me with their sound. > > Sorry for the verbage, had to tell someone! > > Best to all, > Vladimir > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. > http://photos.yahoo.com/ > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register========------------------------------- > --------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========--------------- > ------------------------------------------========= > From kannan_s at vsnl.com Tue Dec 16 19:22:49 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:22:49 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Are TDK MA-110 tapes ok? Message-ID: <639386635081.635081639386@vsnl.net> Kent you are accurate in identifying the problem to this welded case TDK MA tapes ( even 90 Min tape has this problem)rather than 110 min tape being thin. I would rather advise avoiding these welded TDK MA tapes alltogether to avoid problems! I have had more than one such tape getting crumbled in my Cr7 kannan Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_C7992A70.3E5F1A51" --=_C7992A70.3E5F1A51 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Vladimir, =20 Have been recording/playing MA110 and MX110 (Maxell) on 680ZX, MR-1, = CR-7A, Dragon, ZX-9 and 550 (play only--not metal compatible for record) = with no problems, as long as the pressure rollers are kept clean. Another = possibility; if your version of the MA110 is the sonically welded shell, = it may be the cause of the jamming. Shortly after TDK dropped the 5-screw = assemble shell and went to the sonically welded shell, I had 60, 90 and = 110 minute tapes that would jam, even in my ReVox B-215. After the = initial changeover, TDK seems to have gotten their act together with = little, or no, jamming. Have not discovered any identifying marks for = tipping off whether the tapes are of the early or late version of = sonically welded shells. The left-hand pancake of tape is seizing up and = the capstans are trying to pull the tape through. It sounds like the tape = travel sensor is not operating correctly, as it should shut down the drive = mechanism when the feed reel stops rotating. I'm not sure how that is = adjusted. This is only a projected idea of how this is occurring, as I = have not had the degree of tape destruction you are describing, only = slightly stretched and/or wrinkled tape. Maybe some others will have a = better suggestion. =20 Enjoy the music (when the tapes play correctly)! =20 Kent Merideth =20 P.S. Most of my live master tapes are made on one of my MR-1 decks using = MA110 tape, which is copied onto a MA90 (MR-1 to MR-1 using the XLR = I/O's), if it will fit, time-wise. Sometimes I'll run a 90 on one and a = 110 on another, just in case the tape turnover point works out ok, without = losing any of the concert/recital. >>> vferdman at yahoo.com 12/16/03 11:23AM >>> Another question. My BX-300 seems to eat TDK MA-110 tapes. Is this = normal or does it need some kind of help? I know that 110 minute tapes are probably very thin and the = older Naks may not have been designed to handle such a thin material. Is this correct or does my = BX-300 need help? If it needs help, where sould I start looking? I am thinking the left pinch = roller may need replacement? The reason I think that is the tapes get eaten in the = following way. The tape gets all crunched up and turnes into a thin plastic rope. This happens to the = left of the heads, i.e. right after the left pinch roller/capstan. All other tapes play just fine = on that transport, but this MA-110 (I have two of them and they both behave the same) does this = thing. It does not happen right away either, sometimes it plays ok for a while (and sounds = awsome!), then the sound goes to crap and the crunched up tape makes this sound you'd expect to = hear from a plastic rope making its way through a tape transport. What to do? BTW, this is the deck I have replaced the idler tire on with great help of = this forum. Thank you very much, everyone! It was fairly easy and satisfiyng as the deck went = from dead to working with possible exception of this MA-110 problem. Thank you all again, Vladimir __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! 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Vladimir,
 
Have been recording/playing MA110 and MX110 (Maxell) = on 680ZX,=20 MR-1, CR-7A, Dragon, ZX-9 and 550 (play only--not metal compatible for = record)=20 with no problems, as long as the pressure rollers are kept clean.  = Another=20 possibility; if your version of the MA110 is the sonically welded shell, = it may=20 be the cause of the jamming.  Shortly after TDK dropped the 5-screw=20= assemble shell and went to the sonically welded shell, I had 60, 90 and = 110=20 minute tapes that would jam, even in my ReVox B-215.  After the = initial=20 changeover, TDK seems to have gotten their act together with little, or = no,=20 jamming.  Have not discovered any identifying marks for tipping off = whether=20 the tapes are of the early or late version of sonically welded shells. = ; The=20 left-hand pancake of tape is seizing up and the capstans are trying to = pull the=20 tape through.  It sounds like the tape travel sensor is not = operating=20 correctly, as it should shut down the drive mechanism when the feed reel = stops=20 rotating.  I'm not sure how that is adjusted.  This is only a=20 projected idea of how this is occurring, as I have not had the degree of = tape=20 destruction you are describing, only slightly stretched and/or wrinkled=20 tape.  Maybe some others will have a better suggestion.
 
Enjoy the music (when the tapes play correctly)!=
 
Kent Merideth
 
P.S.  Most of my live master tapes are made on = one of my=20 MR-1 decks using MA110 tape, which is copied onto a MA90 (MR-1 to MR-1 = using the=20 XLR I/O's), if it will fit, time-wise.  Sometimes I'll run a 90 on = one and=20 a 110 on another, just in case the tape turnover point works out = ok,=20 without losing any of the concert/recital.


>>> vferdman at yahoo.com 12/16/03 11:23AM=20 >>>
Another question.  My BX-300 seems to eat TDK = MA-110=20 tapes.  Is this normal or does it need some
kind of help?  I = know=20 that 110 minute tapes are probably very thin and the older Naks may not=20 have
been designed to handle such a thin material.  Is this = correct or=20 does my BX-300 need help?  If it
needs help, where sould I = start=20 looking?  I am thinking the left pinch roller may=20 need
replacement?  The reason I think that is the tapes get eaten = in the=20 following way.  The tape gets
all crunched up and turnes into a = thin=20 plastic rope.  This happens to the left of the heads, i.e.
right = after=20 the left pinch roller/capstan.  All other tapes play just fine on = that=20 transport, but
this MA-110 (I have two of them and they both behave the = same)=20 does this thing.  It does not
happen right away either, sometimes = it=20 plays ok for a while (and sounds awsome!), then the sound
goes to crap = and=20 the crunched up tape makes this sound you'd expect to hear from a = plastic=20 rope
making its way through a tape transport.  What to do?

B= TW,=20 this is the deck I have replaced the idler tire on with great help of = this=20 forum.  Thank you
very much, everyone!  It was fairly easy = and=20 satisfiyng as the deck went from dead to working with
possible = exception of=20 this MA-110 problem.

Thank you all=20 again,
Vladimir

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<= /BODY> --=_C7992A70.3E5F1A51-- -------------- next part -------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Dec 16 19:34:23 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:34:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Pitch Control om MR-1 Doesn't work In-Reply-To: <20031216161002.89671.qmail@web10403.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031216161002.89671.qmail@web10403.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3FDF502F.1090709@rcn.com> Vladimir Ferdman wrote: > Hi, all. I have got an MR-1 with a non-functioning pitch control. When twisting the knob > counterclickwise for lower pitch, nothing at all happens. When twisting for higher pitch, > somewhere between center (normal pitch) and the high pitch extreme I get a slight jump in pitch > and then, if I keep going with the knob, the pitch goes back to normal again. Is the pitch > control pot kaput? Source of the problem is very likely a bad pitch control pot, as this is a fairly common problem. It's a composition potentiometer that was a poor design choice for carrying DC -- should have been a cermet or WW pot. > Please advise if this is easily repairable (or at all) by a DIY tech like > myself. I am capable of soldering and working/troubleshooting electronics. This pot doesn't respond well to cleaning and should be replaced. Replacing it a not easy, but within the capability of someone that can disassemble the unit, do some simple soldering and reassemble again. The service manual will be very helpful. You need to lift the board that carries the pitch control and the tape selection switches. It is attached to the front panel. To reach the screws you need to remove the dress panel. Keep track of all the various screws. Expect the job to take half an hour or more. -- Ron > I need to make a > descision about this deck as I am faced with a choice of returning it to the seller or getting a > considerable amount of purchase price back. the deck seems ok otherwise and contains an idler > gear upgrade (I peeked). After playing with both a BX-300 and this MR-1, I kind of prefer BX-300 > for my needs as I mostly use the deck in the home stereo system and do most of my field recording > with a DAT. I was a bit tempted to use the MR-1 for field work to compare it to the DAT, but not > sure this will be convinient enough for me to pull the deck from my home rack every time. I also > miss the fine bias adjust on the MR-1 and the master fader feature (it's a cute toy). So, I am > kind of partial to sending the MR-1 back unless the pitch control problem is easily fixed. If it > is, I can hang on to the MR-1 as a second deck. I am absolutely blown away with the sound quality > from either of these two machines, BTW. I owned an old BX-1 (or 100, I don't remember, it's been > a while) that I got used and it never worked right and eventually stopped taking up tape (idler > wheel?) and I got rid of it, as I was never that impressed with its sound quality (it was probably > in need of adjustment and I would never throw away a Nak now that I am wiser). These machines > that I got now, though, completely mezmorize me with their sound. > > Sorry for the verbage, had to tell someone! > > Best to all, > Vladimir > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. > http://photos.yahoo.com/ > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Dec 16 19:39:35 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:39:35 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Pitch Control om MR-1 Doesn't work In-Reply-To: <63581a635090.63509063581a@vsnl.net> References: <63581a635090.63509063581a@vsnl.net> Message-ID: <3FDF5167.8000600@rcn.com> kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > Hi Vladimir > The control for pitch is actually single pot ( I think I have > a brand new spare with me - nak parts department sent that > instead of fine bias pot which is a dual pot- so do not worry > incase the pot is busted !) with a shielded cable connecting to a > connector - I assume it is like Bx300 control? No. Actually, it's mounted on the same PCB that carries the tape type selection switches. There is no connector. -- Ron > If the connector has been disconnected Motor will work with > correct speed but pitch control will not work . So peep > inside and verify that this pot is connected and is > working. Hope you get a solution soon > kannan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Vladimir Ferdman > Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 8:10 am > Subject: [naktalk] Pitch Control om MR-1 Doesn't work > > >>Hi, all. I have got an MR-1 with a non-functioning pitch control. >>When twisting the knob >>counterclickwise for lower pitch, nothing at all happens. When >>twisting for higher pitch, >>somewhere between center (normal pitch) and the high pitch extreme >>I get a slight jump in pitch >>and then, if I keep going with the knob, the pitch goes back to >>normal again. Is the pitch >>control pot kaput? Please advise if this is easily repairable (or >>at all) by a DIY tech like >>myself. I am capable of soldering and working/troubleshooting >>electronics. I need to make a >>descision about this deck as I am faced with a choice of returning >>it to the seller or getting a >>considerable amount of purchase price back. the deck seems ok >>otherwise and contains an idler >>gear upgrade (I peeked). After playing with both a BX-300 and >>this MR-1, I kind of prefer BX-300 >>for my needs as I mostly use the deck in the home stereo system >>and do most of my field recording >>with a DAT. I was a bit tempted to use the MR-1 for field work to >>compare it to the DAT, but not >>sure this will be convinient enough for me to pull the deck from >>my home rack every time. I also >>miss the fine bias adjust on the MR-1 and the master fader feature >>(it's a cute toy). So, I am >>kind of partial to sending the MR-1 back unless the pitch control >>problem is easily fixed. If it >>is, I can hang on to the MR-1 as a second deck. I am absolutely >>blown away with the sound quality >>from either of these two machines, BTW. I owned an old BX-1 (or >>100, I don't remember, it's been >>a while) that I got used and it never worked right and eventually >>stopped taking up tape (idler >>wheel?) and I got rid of it, as I was never that impressed with >>its sound quality (it was probably >>in need of adjustment and I would never throw away a Nak now that >>I am wiser). These machines >>that I got now, though, completely mezmorize me with their sound. >> >>Sorry for the verbage, had to tell someone! >> >>Best to all, >>Vladimir >> >>__________________________________ >>Do you Yahoo!? >>New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. >>http://photos.yahoo.com/ >>========--------------------------------------------------------- >>========= Register your Nak today! >>http://www.naks.com/register========------------------------------- >>--------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========--------------- >>------------------------------------------========= >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue Dec 16 19:42:54 2003 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:42:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Pitch Control om MR-1 Doesn't work In-Reply-To: <20031216161002.89671.qmail@web10403.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20031216184254.19507.qmail@web40411.mail.yahoo.com> Vlad, I have had lots of problems with that stupid pitch control pot on several of the MR-1's that I've had. I tried cleaning the pot, but, that didn't work, it only made the pot worse. Just leave the pot at the center detent and don't use it. I contacted Patty at Nakamichi in March of 2002 and it was in stock, but, she didn't tell me the price. I suspect it's going to be about $20-30, that's just a guess. If the pot is still giving you problems the center detent then you can open the cover and just disconnect it from the main board (it's on a three pin connector). I know what you mean about the Bias Fine Tune. I too love the BX-300 for that feature. I sold mine years ago because I got the MR-1's. All the MR-1's had the gear idler. My BX-300 had the rubber idler, which didn't really both me since I bought a bag of 10 for cheap. The dual speed automatic fader never caught on with me. I still prefer the MR-1 thought. The XLR In's and Out's for doing recording right off the board is great as well as the extra segments on the VU meters. Scott J. --- Vladimir Ferdman wrote: > Hi, all. I have got an MR-1 with a non-functioning > pitch control. When twisting the knob > counterclickwise for lower pitch, nothing at all > happens. When twisting for higher pitch, > somewhere between center (normal pitch) and the high > pitch extreme I get a slight jump in pitch > and then, if I keep going with the knob, the pitch > goes back to normal again. Is the pitch > control pot kaput? Please advise if this is easily > repairable (or at all) by a DIY tech like > myself. I am capable of soldering and > working/troubleshooting electronics. I need to make > a > descision about this deck as I am faced with a > choice of returning it to the seller or getting a > considerable amount of purchase price back. the > deck seems ok otherwise and contains an idler > gear upgrade (I peeked). After playing with both a > BX-300 and this MR-1, I kind of prefer BX-300 > for my needs as I mostly use the deck in the home > stereo system and do most of my field recording > with a DAT. I was a bit tempted to use the MR-1 for > field work to compare it to the DAT, but not > sure this will be convinient enough for me to pull > the deck from my home rack every time. I also > miss the fine bias adjust on the MR-1 and the master > fader feature (it's a cute toy). So, I am > kind of partial to sending the MR-1 back unless the > pitch control problem is easily fixed. If it > is, I can hang on to the MR-1 as a second deck. I > am absolutely blown away with the sound quality > from either of these two machines, BTW. I owned an > old BX-1 (or 100, I don't remember, it's been > a while) that I got used and it never worked right > and eventually stopped taking up tape (idler > wheel?) and I got rid of it, as I was never that > impressed with its sound quality (it was probably > in need of adjustment and I would never throw away a > Nak now that I am wiser). These machines > that I got now, though, completely mezmorize me with > their sound. > > Sorry for the verbage, had to tell someone! > > Best to all, > Vladimir > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. > http://photos.yahoo.com/ > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From vferdman at yahoo.com Tue Dec 16 20:27:52 2003 From: vferdman at yahoo.com (Vladimir Ferdman) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 11:27:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Pitch Control om MR-1 Doesn't work and TDK MA-110 tapes In-Reply-To: <200312161926.hBGJPwG1012445@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <20031216192752.54338.qmail@web10411.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks to all who replied. I will take a peek at the pitch control pot and will report the results soon. As far as MA-110 tape goes, here are some more details. The tape shell is the 5 screw kind, so all those sonically bonded problems should be a non-issue. Also, this tape has played fine on a Marantz PMD-430 for years. More clarification on the symptom. The tape never actually stops traveling through the transport, it just gets crunched up. The damage is not permanent, as I can actually straighten the tape and then it remain crinkled, but usable (don't worry, I won't use it on recordings that matter). I am actually pretty upset about this as the deck has pretty much destroyed two of my best tapes. I just want to be sure that this tape is not technologically prohibitive to this trasport. Now I have to try and find the culprit. I have cleaned the pinch rollers and capstans. Is there an adjustment on the pressure the pinch roller exerts upon the capstan? Maybe that's the problem. The roller looks like it's in ok shape, not dry-looking or anything. Thanks for all the help. Can't wait for the new version of the website - looks very nice! Vladimir __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Dec 16 23:03:29 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 22:03:29 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Are TDK MA-110 tapes ok? In-Reply-To: <20031216162335.22106.qmail@web10402.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000101c3c420$70964640$53844c51@oemcomputer> I have the same problem with my ZX9 but, evidently, others do not. May be we're just unlucky! G -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Vladimir Ferdman Sent: 16 December 2003 16:24 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Are TDK MA-110 tapes ok? Another question. My BX-300 seems to eat TDK MA-110 tapes. Is this normal or does it need some kind of help? I know that 110 minute tapes are probably very thin and the older Naks may not have been designed to handle such a thin material. Is this correct or does my BX-300 need help? If it needs help, where sould I start looking? I am thinking the left pinch roller may need replacement? The reason I think that is the tapes get eaten in the following way. The tape gets all crunched up and turnes into a thin plastic rope. This happens to the left of the heads, i.e. right after the left pinch roller/capstan. All other tapes play just fine on that transport, but this MA-110 (I have two of them and they both behave the same) does this thing. It does not happen right away either, sometimes it plays ok for a while (and sounds awsome!), then the sound goes to crap and the crunched up tape makes this sound you'd expect to hear from a plastic rope making its way through a tape transport. What to do? BTW, this is the deck I have replaced the idler tire on with great help of this forum. Thank you very much, everyone! It was fairly easy and satisfiyng as the deck went from dead to working with possible exception of this MA-110 problem. Thank you all again, Vladimir __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.548 / Virus Database: 341 - Release Date: 05/12/03 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.548 / Virus Database: 341 - Release Date: 05/12/03 From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Tue Dec 16 23:02:39 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 09:02:39 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Pitch Control om MR-1 Doesn't work and TDK MA-110 t apes Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D2FD@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Vladimir. I own a BX300 and this has never occured with me, however, I've had the same problem on my 680ZX only on one TDK MA90. It's the strangest thing, this tape was made in 1990 and has been used on many units with no problem, the second I put it in the 680 the crunching begins, yet when I put it in my other units and no problem. I don't know why this is the case as any other tape in the 680 works well. Vladimir my guess would be the capstain belt, try this, open your unit up and play the TDK MA 110 and apply a little pressure on the left flywheel (left capstain) and see if this has any effect. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Vladimir Ferdman [mailto:vferdman at yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, 17 December 2003 6:28 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pitch Control om MR-1 Doesn't work and TDK MA-110 tapes Thanks to all who replied. I will take a peek at the pitch control pot and will report the results soon. As far as MA-110 tape goes, here are some more details. The tape shell is the 5 screw kind, so all those sonically bonded problems should be a non-issue. Also, this tape has played fine on a Marantz PMD-430 for years. More clarification on the symptom. The tape never actually stops traveling through the transport, it just gets crunched up. The damage is not permanent, as I can actually straighten the tape and then it remain crinkled, but usable (don't worry, I won't use it on recordings that matter). I am actually pretty upset about this as the deck has pretty much destroyed two of my best tapes. I just want to be sure that this tape is not technologically prohibitive to this trasport. Now I have to try and find the culprit. I have cleaned the pinch rollers and capstans. Is there an adjustment on the pressure the pinch roller exerts upon the capstan? Maybe that's the problem. The roller looks like it's in ok shape, not dry-looking or anything. Thanks for all the help. Can't wait for the new version of the website - looks very nice! Vladimir __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From amar152 at comcast.net Wed Dec 17 00:36:57 2003 From: amar152 at comcast.net (alan mar) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 23:36:57 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Are TDK MA-110 tapes ok? Message-ID: Never have had trouble with MA110s (welded shell or not) if supply reel back tension and supply tape guide height is correct. On the classic transport machines, back tension is adjustable via spring position, don't recall adjustment on Sankyo transports (may have to replace clutch ass'y). Might try to check by using a finger to drag on the supply reel while running to induce extra back tension. If the take-up capstan lacks lubrication or if there is a problem with pinch roller pressure, it could cause insufficient speed differential and poor tracking across the heads, but I would check back tension and guide alignment first. From u.schneider at aid-neukoelln.de Fri Dec 19 15:12:29 2003 From: u.schneider at aid-neukoelln.de (Uwe Schneider) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 15:12:29 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] BX-100 idler wheel rubber in Australia- free to a good Message-ID: <000801c3c63a$233255d0$264b000a@aidneukoelln.de> Hello Indulis, having one BX-125 with transport problems, I am interested in having one of these wheel rubbers. Adress info , mailing costinfo and so on via u.schneider at aid-neukoelln.de Juie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmtooley at ce.net Sun Dec 21 22:52:21 2003 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 16:52:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC - SACD Players Message-ID: <001901c3c80c$b6bcdfe0$17106343@johnnyrotten> What is the word on SACD players. I haven't seen/read any reviews so I'm open to advice/recommendations. I really don't want to replace my ReVox B 225 but these new SACD disc's seem to be popping up everywhere. I'm leaning towards Dylan's new 15 SACD disc set. John T. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Dec 22 00:34:08 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 23:34:08 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC - SACD Players In-Reply-To: <001901c3c80c$b6bcdfe0$17106343@johnnyrotten> Message-ID: <000801c3c81a$ee496c40$9fde883e@oemcomputer> Dylan?! Man, if he chose his cassette decks as well as he played harmonica, Dylan would have used something by Amstrad or Realistic ... Buy a box set of Donovan for your Christmas present, the UK alternative to Dylan - much better singer, much better harmonica player and his lyrics are at least as good if not better than that grossly over-rated ... (I'm off on one ...) Humbug! Happy Hippy Christmas everyone!!! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of John M. Tooley Sent: 21 December 2003 21:52 To: naktalk at naks.com; reeltoreel at yahoogroups.com Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC - SACD Players What is the word on SACD players. I haven't seen/read any reviews so I'm open to advice/recommendations. I really don't want to replace my ReVox B 225 but these new SACD disc's seem to be popping up everywhere. I'm leaning towards Dylan's new 15 SACD disc set. John T. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.552 / Virus Database: 344 - Release Date: 15/12/03 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wolfbob at csnsys.com Mon Dec 22 04:22:50 2003 From: wolfbob at csnsys.com (wolfbob) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 19:22:50 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: [reeltoreel] OFF TOPIC - SACD Players In-Reply-To: <001901c3c80c$b6bcdfe0$17106343@johnnyrotten> References: <001901c3c80c$b6bcdfe0$17106343@johnnyrotten> Message-ID: <3FE6638A.7000805@csnsys.com> I have a SACD. It is not your average Stereo component. If you get REAL SACD CDs they will be multichaqnnel, some of the better ones are 6 channel and to fully appreciate them, you will need a 6 channel system to play them on. The SACD players all have 6 channel outputs and you have to have 6 channels of full range, full performance amps and speakers. I wanted to sample the deal so I went low cost. I have a Sony DVP-NS500V DVD/CD/MP3/SACD player that cost less than $200. It is fed into a Sherwood RD-7108 7 channel receiver having 100 watts/channel output and costs around $175.00. I have a bunch of speakers, scattered around the office more-or-less where they should be for 5.1 Dolby, THX and for 6.1 and 7 channel audio. They are all good speakers, two JBLs for L&R, Two large Advents for center and rear and the side speakers are the 12 inch Wharfedales. These speakers were all picked up for less then $30 each ar various yard sales and swap meets. I am fond of acoustic loaded speakers like the Advents and Wharfedales. I also have a subwoofer but only for movie effects not music. The speakers can handle music just fine. Both the receiver and the CDplayer will decode most any stereo format on SACD and DVD. However I cannot do DVD-A, which is in direct competition with SACD for multichannel applications. Next problem is finding music on the SACD format that is multichannel Often they are just two channel stereo with faked side and rear and no center. There is a lot of 3 channel sources on tape and these are coming out on SACD and are really great, but you still have no side or rear channels that are not faked. Hopefully, they will start recording stuff with 6-7 channels and better utilize this great meadia. It would be nice to have 6 full frequency range, full dynamic range channels recorded in a real environment. It's coming. WBob John M. Tooley wrote: > What is the word on SACD players. I haven't seen/read any reviews so I'm > open to advice/recommendations. I really don't want to replace my ReVox > B 225 but these new SACD disc's seem to be popping up everywhere. I'm > leaning towards Dylan's new 15 SACD disc set. > > John T. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Yahoo! 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If you think Donovan is better than Dylan you have have a serious brain damage. > > Happy Hippy Christmas everyone!!! > > Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf > Of John M. Tooley > Sent: 21 December 2003 21:52 > To: naktalk at naks.com; reeltoreel at yahoogroups.com > Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC - SACD Players > > > What is the word on SACD players. I haven't seen/read any reviews so I'm > open to advice/recommendations. I really don't want to replace my ReVox B > 225 but these new SACD disc's seem to be popping up everywhere. I'm leaning > towards Dylan's new 15 SACD disc set. > > John T. > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.552 / Virus Database: 344 - Release Date: 15/12/03 Search for Super audio cd player on Google? > -- Maurits From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Dec 22 11:55:02 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 12:55:02 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC - SACD Players Message-ID: Dear Aunty Jane, I have serious brain damage and I think Dylan is great!! Where does that leave me? Concerned. Thaba Nchu The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. 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From m.raven at chello.nl Mon Dec 22 12:51:40 2003 From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 12:51:40 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC - SACD Players References: Message-ID: <000f01c3c881$f69cbf70$0000fea9@colossus> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hugo" To: ; Cc: Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 11:55 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC - SACD Players > Dear Aunty Jane, > > I have serious brain damage and I think Dylan is great!! Where does > that leave me? On the right site of the music walhalla ;-) > > Concerned. > Thaba Nchu > > The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject > to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more > attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the > named recipient/s. > > If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose > or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. > If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to > this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. > > All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present > in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising > from the use of this email or attachments. > ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == > From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Dec 22 15:08:12 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 09:08:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: [reeltoreel] OFF TOPIC - SACD Players In-Reply-To: <3FE6638A.7000805@csnsys.com> References: <001901c3c80c$b6bcdfe0$17106343@johnnyrotten> <3FE6638A.7000805@csnsys.com> Message-ID: <3FE6FACC.7090208@rcn.com> Since I had a DVD-Audio player, I thought I'd sample multi- channel music. I bought two DVD-A discs, at 10 bucks a pop, both classical: Mahler's 2nd symphony and Dvorak's Symphony From The New World. I already had both on excellent sounding stereo LPs. IMHO, both DVD-As sound substantially better than the LPs, mostly due to the expanded sound field but also due to the much lowered distortion. They give me much more of the 'you are there' experience. Caveats: obviously, sound quality depends on the specific recording at least as much as it does on the format. It also depends on the quality of the sound system. Many multi channel sound systems and components are designed with movies in mind. Power and 'punch' are emphasized -- often, at the expense of purity of sound and low distortion. Multi channel sound systems suitable for audio-only reproduction tend to be expensive and, therefore, rare. I believe the above applies to SACD. While each camp (DVD-A vs. SACD) claims superiority, both are non-lossy and have the potential of best sound quality. -- Ron wolfbob wrote: > I have a SACD. It is not your average Stereo component. If you get REAL > SACD CDs they will be multichaqnnel, some of the better ones are 6 > channel and to fully appreciate them, you will need a 6 channel system > to play them on. The SACD players all have 6 channel outputs and you > have to have 6 channels of full range, full performance amps and speakers. > I wanted to sample the deal so I went low cost. I have a Sony DVP-NS500V > DVD/CD/MP3/SACD player that cost less than $200. It is fed into a > Sherwood RD-7108 7 channel receiver having 100 watts/channel output and > costs around $175.00. > I have a bunch of speakers, scattered around the office more-or-less > where they should be for 5.1 Dolby, THX and for 6.1 and 7 channel audio. > They are all good speakers, two JBLs for L&R, Two large Advents for > center and rear and the side speakers are the 12 inch Wharfedales. These > speakers were all picked up for less then $30 each ar various yard sales > and swap meets. I am fond of acoustic loaded speakers like the Advents > and Wharfedales. I also have a subwoofer but only for movie effects not > music. The speakers can handle music just fine. > Both the receiver and the CDplayer will decode most any stereo format on > SACD and DVD. However I cannot do DVD-A, which is in direct competition > with SACD for multichannel applications. > > Next problem is finding music on the SACD format that is multichannel > Often they are just two channel stereo with faked side and rear and no > center. There is a lot of 3 channel sources on tape and these are coming > out on SACD and are really great, but you still have no side or rear > channels that are not faked. Hopefully, they will start recording stuff > with 6-7 channels and better utilize this great meadia. It would be nice > to have 6 full frequency range, full dynamic range channels recorded in > a real environment. It's coming. > > WBob > > John M. Tooley wrote: > >> What is the word on SACD players. I haven't seen/read any reviews so >> I'm open to advice/recommendations. I really don't want to replace my >> ReVox B 225 but these new SACD disc's seem to be popping up >> everywhere. I'm leaning towards Dylan's new 15 SACD disc set. >> >> John T. >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> * To visit your group on the web, go to: >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/reeltoreel/ >> * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >> reeltoreel-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com >> >> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of >> Service . >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From bg56322 at yahoo.com Mon Dec 22 15:59:10 2003 From: bg56322 at yahoo.com (Bob Petrovich) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 06:59:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: SACD In-Reply-To: <200312221100.hBMB0nEs003875@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <20031222145910.92656.qmail@web11704.mail.yahoo.com> Perhaps it might be interesting to recollect memories from 1983. Vinyl records were retreating under CD attack.Consumers were ready to pay the premium price for "the best sound forever" and as a result thousands of dollars worth of software (vinyl, prerecorded tapes) ended on the curbs or garage sales to be replaced with the same material on CD. "Forever" lasted 20 years. Would money spent on Linn Sondek and more vinyl be wiser? Enter the 2003, "The Best sound forever, part Two". The rare opportunity to repeat the error and repurchase music library all over again. This time on SACD. (Dylan on vinyl, Dylan on CD, Dylan on SACD, Dylan on... how many times to pay royalty for the same thing?) And guess what? Some SACDs are not mastered from the master tapes but from Redbook CDs. PT Barnum was right. December issue of The Absolute Sound dedicated to Hi-resolution formats (DVD-A and SACD) is a must read for anyone with an itch for Hi-res upgrade. After reading the article, I have put to head to head comparrison my digital front end and my ZX-9 and RX-505. Digital front end I used is far superior than what was available in 1985 when both Naks were available. (Pioneer DVD as transport, GW Labs dejitter/upsampler, modded ART DI/O converter. Tape was TDK MA. I preferred playback from the tapes to CD playback. Then, I recorded the same material from vinyl. The front end was Thorens 320 through Conrad Johnson Motif 7 preamp. Both were available in 1985. Again, the result was more pleasing than CD playback. That draws me to the conclusion that it was not the superiority of CD but the inferiority of preamps, turntables and interconnect cables that opened the doors for CD invasion. I tend to believe that until universal players (DVD-A, SACD, upsampled Redbook) are available as standard at reasonable cost, it is good to sit and wait and listen to hybreed Redbook CD/SACD Opinions? Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From clarke68 at rcn.com Mon Dec 22 17:41:01 2003 From: clarke68 at rcn.com (Clarke Robinson) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 08:41:01 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] RE: OFF TOPIC - SACD Players Message-ID: From what I understand, this big problem with the units that are currently available is poor bass management. Your DVD player sends a digital signal to your receiver, where you can do things like adjust the levels of the different speakers, add DSP effects, etc. Due to some record industry nonsense, they won't let SACD manufacturers output a pure digital signal, so all of that type of control takes place in the SACD player itself, and supposedly even the high-end units fall pretty short. Good 2 part article on the subject, "DVD Audio and SACD - The Royal Scam": http://www.audioholics.com/techtips/specsformats/dvd_sacd1a.php http://www.audioholics.com/techtips/specsformats/dvd_sacd2a.php You can make your own decision on whether or not this is an important issue for you. For me, considering the cost (and availability) of the discs and the poor quality of the units available, I don't think this medium is going to take off. I expect it to go the way of quad, 8-track, and DAT tape before 5 years is up. Clarke From wolfbob at csnsys.com Mon Dec 22 18:43:04 2003 From: wolfbob at csnsys.com (wolfbob) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 09:43:04 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: SACD In-Reply-To: <20031222145910.92656.qmail@web11704.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031222145910.92656.qmail@web11704.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3FE72D28.6080502@csnsys.com> I agree. My SACD library is not one to replace my CD or LP libraries as They are still intact and will remains so. It is to evaluate and eventually be able to appreciate NEW stuff recorded specially for that format. That was the plan. Now I am in love with the Matrix 6 channel sound that I get from 2 channel stereo. I can get that from anything. I cant hear over 10kHz and with the dbx 3BX III I can remove a goodly portion of the damn compression from CDs and LPs and since I like clean bass, the subharmonic synthesizer makes me think it is clean, so most any source seems to be coming out enjoyable. I did get one CD that had a noise level about 30 dB down that was quite annoying. (Now I need a noise remover in line. I have one on the computer, but it is not in line yet, something to do with the old computers). WBob Bob Petrovich wrote: > Perhaps it might be interesting to recollect memories from 1983. Vinyl > records were retreating under CD attack.Consumers were ready to pay the > premium price for "the best sound forever" and as a result thousands of > dollars worth of software (vinyl, prerecorded tapes) ended on the curbs > or garage sales to be replaced with the same material on CD. > > "Forever" lasted 20 years. Would money spent on Linn Sondek and > more vinyl be wiser? > > Enter the 2003, "The Best sound forever, part Two". The rare > opportunity to repeat the error and repurchase music library all over > again. This time on SACD. > (Dylan on vinyl, Dylan on CD, Dylan on SACD, Dylan on... how many times > to pay royalty for the same thing?) > > And guess what? Some SACDs are not mastered from the master tapes but > from Redbook CDs. PT Barnum was right. > > December issue of The Absolute Sound dedicated to Hi-resolution formats > (DVD-A and SACD) is a must read for anyone with an itch for Hi-res > upgrade. > > After reading the article, I have put to head to head comparrison > my digital front end and my ZX-9 and RX-505. > > Digital front end I used is far superior than what was available in 1985 > when both Naks were available. (Pioneer DVD as transport, GW Labs > dejitter/upsampler, modded ART DI/O converter. Tape was TDK MA. > > I preferred playback from the tapes to CD playback. > > Then, I recorded the same material from vinyl. The front end was Thorens > 320 through Conrad Johnson Motif 7 preamp. Both were available in 1985. > Again, the result was more pleasing than CD playback. > > That draws me to the conclusion that it was not the superiority of CD > but the inferiority of preamps, turntables and interconnect cables that > opened the doors for CD invasion. > > I tend to believe that until universal players (DVD-A, SACD, upsampled > Redbook) are available as standard at reasonable cost, it is good to sit > and wait and listen to hybreed Redbook CD/SACD > > > Opinions? > > Bob > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wolfbob at csnsys.com Mon Dec 22 21:31:29 2003 From: wolfbob at csnsys.com (wolfbob) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 12:31:29 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] RE: OFF TOPIC - SACD Players In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FE754A1.5020005@csnsys.com> I have read the two articles and find them the typical "AUDIO REVIEW" type pap with extremely high bias and spin of the facts. My cheap (you can't find any 6 channel 100 Watt/ch receiver cheaper than mine) has all of the features he is complaining about including digital delay compensation, digital correction for speaker placement in both amplitude and delay and full bass management allowing any of the configurations I have heard about (6,7,6.1,5.1,5,4,3,2 in Dolby(everything) THX, DTS,and of course etc.) He uses words like "most" and "some" to scare folk away where my evidence shows "rare" and "occasional". Of course it is not going to sound "right" on your 5.1 speaker system any more than your car can run well on train tracks. WBob Clarke Robinson wrote: > From what I understand, this big problem with the units that are > currently available is poor bass management. > > Your DVD player sends a digital signal to your receiver, where you can > do things like adjust the levels of the different speakers, add DSP > effects, etc. Due to some record industry nonsense, they won't let SACD > manufacturers output a pure digital signal, so all of that type of > control takes place in the SACD player itself, and supposedly even the > high-end units fall pretty short. > > Good 2 part article on the subject, "DVD Audio and SACD - The Royal Scam": > > http://www.audioholics.com/techtips/specsformats/dvd_sacd1a.php > http://www.audioholics.com/techtips/specsformats/dvd_sacd2a.php > > You can make your own decision on whether or not this is an important > issue for you. For me, considering the cost (and availability) of the > discs and the poor quality of the units available, I don't think this > medium is going to take off. I expect it to go the way of quad, 8-track, > and DAT tape before 5 years is up. > > Clarke > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Dec 22 22:17:02 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 16:17:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: OFF TOPIC - SACD Players In-Reply-To: <3FE754A1.5020005@csnsys.com> References: <3FE754A1.5020005@csnsys.com> Message-ID: <3FE75F4E.4040400@rcn.com> > From what I understand, this big problem with the units that are > currently available is poor bass management. This is no longer true. Many players (and eventually, all players) provide bass management. The player I used for DVD-A evaluation had complete bass management capability, just as good as any high end home theater prepro. In addition, some high end players offer proprietary digital connection to receivers (of the same manufacturer) that allow use of the existing receiver bass management facility. In addition, some systems utilize full range speakers, that incorporate the sub woofer in the front speakers. These don't need bass management at all. -- Ron From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Dec 22 23:31:55 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 22:31:55 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] RE: OFF TOPIC - SACD Players & On-topic - CR-7s In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000e01c3c8db$67b7d600$b49b4c51@oemcomputer> Interesting. I suspect this is may be politics as I understand that SACD is based upon DVD BUT that it is so unofficially. BTW, has anyone noticed the prices of CR-7's on eBay recently, esp. those selling in the UK? Incredibly variable. The one in the UK looks likely to exceed £900 .... G -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Clarke Robinson Sent: 22 December 2003 16:41 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] RE: OFF TOPIC - SACD Players From what I understand, this big problem with the units that are currently available is poor bass management. Your DVD player sends a digital signal to your receiver, where you can do things like adjust the levels of the different speakers, add DSP effects, etc. Due to some record industry nonsense, they won't let SACD manufacturers output a pure digital signal, so all of that type of control takes place in the SACD player itself, and supposedly even the high-end units fall pretty short. Good 2 part article on the subject, "DVD Audio and SACD - The Royal Scam": http://www.audioholics.com/techtips/specsformats/dvd_sacd1a.php http://www.audioholics.com/techtips/specsformats/dvd_sacd2a.php You can make your own decision on whether or not this is an important issue for you. For me, considering the cost (and availability) of the discs and the poor quality of the units available, I don't think this medium is going to take off. I expect it to go the way of quad, 8-track, and DAT tape before 5 years is up. Clarke --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.552 / Virus Database: 344 - Release Date: 15/12/03 From wolfbob at csnsys.com Mon Dec 22 23:37:16 2003 From: wolfbob at csnsys.com (wolfbob) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 14:37:16 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] RE: OFF TOPIC - SACD Players & On-topic - CR-7s In-Reply-To: <000e01c3c8db$67b7d600$b49b4c51@oemcomputer> References: <000e01c3c8db$67b7d600$b49b4c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3FE7721C.2050008@csnsys.com> No, SACD is not based upon the DVD but has it's own part of the CD redbook. DVDA is based upon the DVD (sorta). WBob Nelson wrote: > Interesting. I suspect this is may be politics as I understand that SACD is > based upon DVD BUT that it is so unofficially. > > BTW, has anyone noticed the prices of CR-7's on eBay recently, esp. those > selling in the UK? Incredibly variable. The one in the UK looks likely to > exceed £900 .... > > G > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Clarke Robinson > Sent: 22 December 2003 16:41 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] RE: OFF TOPIC - SACD Players > > From what I understand, this big problem with the units that are > currently available is poor bass management. > > Your DVD player sends a digital signal to your receiver, where you can > do things like adjust the levels of the different speakers, add DSP > effects, etc. Due to some record industry nonsense, they won't let SACD > manufacturers output a pure digital signal, so all of that type of > control takes place in the SACD player itself, and supposedly even the > high-end units fall pretty short. > > Good 2 part article on the subject, "DVD Audio and SACD - The Royal > Scam": > > http://www.audioholics.com/techtips/specsformats/dvd_sacd1a.php > http://www.audioholics.com/techtips/specsformats/dvd_sacd2a.php > > You can make your own decision on whether or not this is an important > issue for you. For me, considering the cost (and availability) of the > discs and the poor quality of the units available, I don't think this > medium is going to take off. I expect it to go the way of quad, > 8-track, and DAT tape before 5 years is up. > > Clarke > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.552 / Virus Database: 344 - Release Date: 15/12/03 > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Dec 22 23:51:52 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 22:51:52 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: SACD In-Reply-To: <20031222145910.92656.qmail@web11704.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001401c3c8de$31034a60$b49b4c51@oemcomputer> I'm copying my reply to this thread to Audiotalk, and suggest we continue this debate in that forum, lest we cause offence to the NakList brothers who are sensitive to OT discussions. For those who are not aware of AudioTalk you subscribe to it at the same place as you do NakTalk, on the same site. G -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bob Petrovich Sent: 22 December 2003 14:59 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: SACD Perhaps it might be interesting to recollect memories from 1983. Vinyl records were retreating under CD attack.Consumers were ready to pay the premium price for "the best sound forever" and as a result thousands of dollars worth of software (vinyl, prerecorded tapes) ended on the curbs or garage sales to be replaced with the same material on CD. "Forever" lasted 20 years. Would money spent on Linn Sondek and more vinyl be wiser? Enter the 2003, "The Best sound forever, part Two". The rare opportunity to repeat the error and repurchase music library all over again. This time on SACD. (Dylan on vinyl, Dylan on CD, Dylan on SACD, Dylan on... how many times to pay royalty for the same thing?) And guess what? Some SACDs are not mastered from the master tapes but from Redbook CDs. PT Barnum was right. December issue of The Absolute Sound dedicated to Hi-resolution formats (DVD-A and SACD) is a must read for anyone with an itch for Hi-res upgrade. After reading the article, I have put to head to head comparrison my digital front end and my ZX-9 and RX-505. Digital front end I used is far superior than what was available in 1985 when both Naks were available. (Pioneer DVD as transport, GW Labs dejitter/upsampler, modded ART DI/O converter. Tape was TDK MA. I preferred playback from the tapes to CD playback. Then, I recorded the same material from vinyl. The front end was Thorens 320 through Conrad Johnson Motif 7 preamp. Both were available in 1985. Again, the result was more pleasing than CD playback. That draws me to the conclusion that it was not the superiority of CD but the inferiority of preamps, turntables and interconnect cables that opened the doors for CD invasion. I tend to believe that until universal players (DVD-A, SACD, upsampled Redbook) are available as standard at reasonable cost, it is good to sit and wait and listen to hybreed Redbook CD/SACD Opinions? Bob --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.552 / Virus Database: 344 - Release Date: 15/12/03 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smoke at snip.net Mon Dec 22 23:58:02 2003 From: smoke at snip.net (John M. Smokevitch) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 17:58:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC - SACD Players References: <001901c3c80c$b6bcdfe0$17106343@johnnyrotten> Message-ID: <3FE776FA.8851B824@snip.net> I have upgraded to a DVD/SACD/CD player not for SACD's per se, BUT because you can now get, in an appropriately modified SACD player, the quality of CD playback that you previously had to spend megabucks for ($7,000 to $15,000 range) for less than a grand (or if you go all the way, for $1,200 to $1,500). It started with the Sony SACD-1 (intended as a "statement" SACD/CD player by Sony), which was about $5-6,000 if memory serves me right, and which was said in many reviews to come close to the megabucks CD-only players and played SACD too. A "mod" industry sprung up for the Sony, but more importantly, for those of us on any sort of reasonable budget, Sony came out with a DVD/SACD-5.1Surround/CD player in its ES line that got very favorable reviews in mags like The Absolute Sound for both SACD and CD playback, PLUS you got the current state-of-the-art in DVD movie playback. It is the Sony DVP-NS999ES. Fortunately, many of the mods for for the Sony SACD can be done to the DVP-NS999ES, but at much less cost than to the SACD-1 which was much more complex with many more discrete modules/subsystems. I picked up two DVP-NS999ES's on eBay for $525 and $675 respectively including shipping and insurance. I had them shipped by the sellers directly to Dan Wright at ModWright in Portland Oregon. The one which has gone into my dedicated two-channel stereo listening system had Dan's full bore, all-out mod's plus AC filters for a total of $970, which brought it's total price to $1,495 including shipping. It sounds as good as anything I've heard on CD playback (including some of the megabucks systems). The second, which has gone into my home theater system, had Dan's basic mods plus AC filters installed for $470 and sounds great on DVD movies (with all the bells and whistles - progressive scan, fancy outputs, bass management, etc.) and playing back my CD's through the home theater system for a total cost of about $995 (if you assume it was the $525 unit). Interestingly enough, I've yet to use either one for playing back SACD's, though it is the next thing I'm looking forward to trying. You can find a lot of background on Dan and his mods at http://www.modwright.com/. There also have been reviews of Dan's mods in Stereophile which, I believe, are available on their Archives. Also this article in Positive Feedback compares Dan's and Richard Kern's mods of an earlier Non-DVD version of the Sony: http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue6/stock.htm However, I don't think The Absolute Sound review of the Sony DVP-NS999ES is available for free on their web site. I hope this helps. Best regards. John "John M. Tooley" wrote: > What is the word on SACD players. I haven't seen/read any reviews so > I'm open to advice/recommendations. I really don't want to replace my > ReVox B 225 but these new SACD disc's seem to be popping up > everywhere. I'm leaning towards Dylan's new 15 SACD disc set. 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The company wished to position SACD in the marketplace as a higher quality replacement for CDs and are not above playing with words. The SACD disc is physically a DVD, the 'CD' in 'SACD' notwithstanding. To achieve 'CD compatibility', they tacked on a red book CD layer that has nothing to do with the SACD data; the SACD can exist with it or without it. The idea is that, eventually, the red book layer will disappear. Hopefully, by that time, no one will notice (or care about CD compatibility). BTW, the DVD-A camp is talking about utilizing the same approach in DVD-As, making them exactly as 'CD compatible' as SACDs. The difference between DVD-A and SACD is in the way the data is represented. Theoretically, SACD should sound a tad better. In practice, SACD's slight edge is swamped by such variables as quality of the recording, mastering, pressing, etc.. -- Ron wolfbob wrote: > No, SACD is not based upon the DVD but has it's own part of the CD > redbook. DVDA is based upon the DVD (sorta). > > WBob > Nelson wrote: > >> Interesting. I suspect this is may be politics as I understand that >> SACD is >> based upon DVD BUT that it is so unofficially. >> >> BTW, has anyone noticed the prices of CR-7's on eBay recently, esp. those >> selling in the UK? Incredibly variable. The one in the UK looks >> likely to >> exceed £900 .... >> >> G >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On >> Behalf >> Of Clarke Robinson >> Sent: 22 December 2003 16:41 >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: [naktalk] RE: OFF TOPIC - SACD Players >> >> From what I understand, this big problem with the units that are >> currently available is poor bass management. >> >> Your DVD player sends a digital signal to your receiver, where you can >> do things like adjust the levels of the different speakers, add DSP >> effects, etc. Due to some record industry nonsense, they won't let SACD >> manufacturers output a pure digital signal, so all of that type of >> control takes place in the SACD player itself, and supposedly even the >> high-end units fall pretty short. >> >> Good 2 part article on the subject, "DVD Audio and SACD - The Royal >> Scam": >> >> http://www.audioholics.com/techtips/specsformats/dvd_sacd1a.php >> http://www.audioholics.com/techtips/specsformats/dvd_sacd2a.php >> >> You can make your own decision on whether or not this is an important >> issue for you. For me, considering the cost (and availability) of the >> discs and the poor quality of the units available, I don't think this >> medium is going to take off. I expect it to go the way of quad, >> 8-track, and DAT tape before 5 years is up. >> >> Clarke From nancynnorm at earthlink.net Tue Dec 23 02:24:28 2003 From: nancynnorm at earthlink.net (Normam Cuny) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 19:24:28 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] (no subject) Message-ID: <410-220031222312428520@earthlink.net> I have for sale a 680ZX. Pristine condition. About 100 hours of use. In the last 2 months it was used about 30 hours. Worked flawlessly. Purchase in 1980 All manuals & shipping box. Price $500 Firm. Norman Cuny Nancy Lehnert-Cuny nancynnorm at earthlink.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From wolfbob at csnsys.com Tue Dec 23 03:15:54 2003 From: wolfbob at csnsys.com (wolfbob) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 18:15:54 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] RE: OFF TOPIC - SACD Players & On-topic - CR-7s In-Reply-To: <3FE78414.9040708@rcn.com> References: <000e01c3c8db$67b7d600$b49b4c51@oemcomputer> <3FE7721C.2050008@csnsys.com> <3FE78414.9040708@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3FE7A55A.10005@csnsys.com> Well now there is wquite a bit of difference between DVDA and SACD. DVDA's primary audience is the listener that wants CD capability for audio through their EXISTING 5.1 DVD system. As most if not all of these systems have puny sound capability for all channels except the L&R and voice only for the center channel, the incentive to come out with really good 5 channel audio is just not there. SACD on the other hand, is made and expected to be played on a system with full 6 channels of good audio. Now there is little or no source with the full 6 channels, but there sure are some great stuff with the front 3 channels that will sound like crap on the typical 5.1 setup. The need for a subwoofer is just not there for music and as it is properly named an "effects" device for movies. That is about all it is good for. So the idea of a .1 channel is also not too applicable to music. WBob Ron wrote: > > This is a popular misconception, fostered by Sony. The > company wished to position SACD in the marketplace as a > higher quality replacement for CDs and are not above > playing with words. The SACD disc is physically a DVD, > the 'CD' in 'SACD' notwithstanding. To achieve 'CD > compatibility', they tacked on a red book CD layer that > has nothing to do with the SACD data; the SACD can exist > with it or without it. The idea is that, eventually, the > red book layer will disappear. Hopefully, by that time, > no one will notice (or care about CD compatibility). > > BTW, the DVD-A camp is talking about utilizing the same > approach in DVD-As, making them exactly as 'CD compatible' > as SACDs. > > The difference between DVD-A and SACD is in the way the > data is represented. Theoretically, SACD should sound a tad > better. In practice, SACD's slight edge is swamped by such > variables as quality of the recording, mastering, pressing, > etc.. > > -- Ron > > > > wolfbob wrote: > >> No, SACD is not based upon the DVD but has it's own part of the CD >> redbook. DVDA is based upon the DVD (sorta). >> >> WBob >> Nelson wrote: >> >>> Interesting. I suspect this is may be politics as I understand that >>> SACD is >>> based upon DVD BUT that it is so unofficially. >>> >>> BTW, has anyone noticed the prices of CR-7's on eBay recently, esp. >>> those >>> selling in the UK? Incredibly variable. The one in the UK looks >>> likely to >>> exceed £900 .... >>> >>> G >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] >>> On Behalf >>> Of Clarke Robinson >>> Sent: 22 December 2003 16:41 >>> To: naktalk at naks.com >>> Subject: [naktalk] RE: OFF TOPIC - SACD Players >>> >>> From what I understand, this big problem with the units that are >>> currently available is poor bass management. >>> >>> Your DVD player sends a digital signal to your receiver, where you can >>> do things like adjust the levels of the different speakers, add DSP >>> effects, etc. Due to some record industry nonsense, they won't let SACD >>> manufacturers output a pure digital signal, so all of that type of >>> control takes place in the SACD player itself, and supposedly even the >>> high-end units fall pretty short. >>> >>> Good 2 part article on the subject, "DVD Audio and SACD - The Royal >>> Scam": >>> >>> http://www.audioholics.com/techtips/specsformats/dvd_sacd1a.php >>> http://www.audioholics.com/techtips/specsformats/dvd_sacd2a.php >>> >>> You can make your own decision on whether or not this is an important >>> issue for you. For me, considering the cost (and availability) of the >>> discs and the poor quality of the units available, I don't think this >>> medium is going to take off. I expect it to go the way of quad, >>> 8-track, and DAT tape before 5 years is up. >>> >>> Clarke > > > > > > > From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Dec 23 03:56:56 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 21:56:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: OFF TOPIC - SACD Players & On-topic - CR-7s In-Reply-To: <3FE7A55A.10005@csnsys.com> References: <000e01c3c8db$67b7d600$b49b4c51@oemcomputer> <3FE7721C.2050008@csnsys.com> <3FE78414.9040708@rcn.com> <3FE7A55A.10005@csnsys.com> Message-ID: <3FE7AEF8.1000406@rcn.com> wolfbob wrote: > Well now there is quite a bit of difference between DVDA and SACD. Not really. Unless you read Sony's Marketing hype. > DVDA's primary audience is the listener that wants CD capability for > audio through their EXISTING 5.1 DVD system. Yep, exactly like the SACD listener. > As most if not all of these > systems have puny sound capability for all channels except the L&R and > voice only for the center channel, the incentive to come out with really > good 5 channel audio is just not there. I am not sure what this assertion is based on. I know several people that have an excellent multi channel system, quite suitable for audiophile listening. These listeners represent the intended audience for *both* DVD-A and SACD discs. > SACD on the other hand, is made and expected to be played on a system > with full 6 channels of good audio. Yep, exactly like DVD-A. > Now there is little or no source > with the full 6 channels, but there sure are some great stuff with the > front 3 channels that will sound like crap on the typical 5.1 setup. Yep. Regardless of whether it's on DVD-A or SACD. > The need for a subwoofer is just not there for music and as it is > properly named an "effects" device for movies. That is about all it is > good for. So the idea of a .1 channel is also not too applicable to music. I beg to differ -- at least, with regards to classical music. I have many LPs that are greatly enhanced by under 40Hz capability. Try to listen to a contrabass (not to mention, timpani) with and without a subwoofer and you will be immediately convinced of the subwoofer's contribution. My prepro has a 'Matrix' simulation mode, that converts stereo sources to 5.1 channel surround. I use it most of the time. All one has to do is listen to it for a while to become convinced of the multi channel advantage. I won't deny that there is a lot of cheap equipment out there. But that equipment sounds bad no matter what you feed it -- LPs, tapes, CDs, DVD-As or SACDs. I am not at all sure 'most' 5.1 systems are like that. Certainly, *mine* isn't. The chips of SACD vs. DVD-A are not down yet, which is one of the reasons (though not the main one) why I am replacing my DVD player (DVD-A capability only) with a universal player (both DVD-A and SACD). -- Ron > > WBob > > Ron wrote: > >> >> This is a popular misconception, fostered by Sony. The >> company wished to position SACD in the marketplace as a >> higher quality replacement for CDs and are not above >> playing with words. The SACD disc is physically a DVD, >> the 'CD' in 'SACD' notwithstanding. To achieve 'CD >> compatibility', they tacked on a red book CD layer that >> has nothing to do with the SACD data; the SACD can exist >> with it or without it. The idea is that, eventually, the >> red book layer will disappear. Hopefully, by that time, >> no one will notice (or care about CD compatibility). >> >> BTW, the DVD-A camp is talking about utilizing the same >> approach in DVD-As, making them exactly as 'CD compatible' >> as SACDs. >> >> The difference between DVD-A and SACD is in the way the >> data is represented. Theoretically, SACD should sound a tad >> better. In practice, SACD's slight edge is swamped by such >> variables as quality of the recording, mastering, pressing, >> etc.. >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> >> wolfbob wrote: >> >>> No, SACD is not based upon the DVD but has it's own part of the CD >>> redbook. DVDA is based upon the DVD (sorta). >>> >>> WBob >>> Nelson wrote: >>> >>>> Interesting. I suspect this is may be politics as I understand that >>>> SACD is >>>> based upon DVD BUT that it is so unofficially. >>>> >>>> BTW, has anyone noticed the prices of CR-7's on eBay recently, esp. >>>> those >>>> selling in the UK? Incredibly variable. The one in the UK looks >>>> likely to >>>> exceed £900 .... >>>> >>>> G >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] >>>> On Behalf >>>> Of Clarke Robinson >>>> Sent: 22 December 2003 16:41 >>>> To: naktalk at naks.com >>>> Subject: [naktalk] RE: OFF TOPIC - SACD Players >>>> >>>> From what I understand, this big problem with the units that are >>>> currently available is poor bass management. >>>> >>>> Your DVD player sends a digital signal to your receiver, where you can >>>> do things like adjust the levels of the different speakers, add DSP >>>> effects, etc. Due to some record industry nonsense, they won't let SACD >>>> manufacturers output a pure digital signal, so all of that type of >>>> control takes place in the SACD player itself, and supposedly even the >>>> high-end units fall pretty short. >>>> >>>> Good 2 part article on the subject, "DVD Audio and SACD - The Royal >>>> Scam": >>>> >>>> http://www.audioholics.com/techtips/specsformats/dvd_sacd1a.php >>>> http://www.audioholics.com/techtips/specsformats/dvd_sacd2a.php >>>> >>>> You can make your own decision on whether or not this is an important >>>> issue for you. For me, considering the cost (and availability) of the >>>> discs and the poor quality of the units available, I don't think this >>>> medium is going to take off. I expect it to go the way of quad, >>>> 8-track, and DAT tape before 5 years is up. >>>> >>>> Clarke From Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu Tue Dec 23 20:30:14 2003 From: Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu (Fred Lifton) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 19:30:14 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] SACD?, DVD-A? Red Book? No thanks. Message-ID: <18600062@rosencrantz.reed.edu> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From copytec at coqui.net Tue Dec 23 23:48:10 2003 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlitos Jr.) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 16:48:10 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: SACD References: <20031222145910.92656.qmail@web11704.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005101c3c9a6$d7e26b40$77773242@coqui.net> That's a good analysis, Bob. All I can say is that the high budget records are still mastered on old Studer A-80's at 30ips in 1/2" tape or at 15ips with Dolby SR if using 1/4". Either way, I still prefer the masters on 1/2" tape all the time over any digital media. The Tape man ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Petrovich To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 8:59 AM Subject: [naktalk] Re: SACD Perhaps it might be interesting to recollect memories from 1983. Vinyl records were retreating under CD attack.Consumers were ready to pay the premium price for "the best sound forever" and as a result thousands of dollars worth of software (vinyl, prerecorded tapes) ended on the curbs or garage sales to be replaced with the same material on CD. "Forever" lasted 20 years. Would money spent on Linn Sondek and more vinyl be wiser? Enter the 2003, "The Best sound forever, part Two". The rare opportunity to repeat the error and repurchase music library all over again. This time on SACD. (Dylan on vinyl, Dylan on CD, Dylan on SACD, Dylan on... how many times to pay royalty for the same thing?) And guess what? Some SACDs are not mastered from the master tapes but from Redbook CDs. PT Barnum was right. December issue of The Absolute Sound dedicated to Hi-resolution formats (DVD-A and SACD) is a must read for anyone with an itch for Hi-res upgrade. After reading the article, I have put to head to head comparrison my digital front end and my ZX-9 and RX-505. Digital front end I used is far superior than what was available in 1985 when both Naks were available. (Pioneer DVD as transport, GW Labs dejitter/upsampler, modded ART DI/O converter. Tape was TDK MA. I preferred playback from the tapes to CD playback. Then, I recorded the same material from vinyl. The front end was Thorens 320 through Conrad Johnson Motif 7 preamp. Both were available in 1985. Again, the result was more pleasing than CD playback. That draws me to the conclusion that it was not the superiority of CD but the inferiority of preamps, turntables and interconnect cables that opened the doors for CD invasion. I tend to believe that until universal players (DVD-A, SACD, upsampled Redbook) are available as standard at reasonable cost, it is good to sit and wait and listen to hybreed Redbook CD/SACD Opinions? Bob ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From copytec at coqui.net Tue Dec 23 23:55:57 2003 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlitos Jr.) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 16:55:57 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] RE: OFF TOPIC - SACD Players & On-topic - CR-7s References: <000e01c3c8db$67b7d600$b49b4c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <007401c3c9a7$edbb43a0$77773242@coqui.net> Make no sense, Gra'. At these days I wouldn't pay any deck over $500.00 unless I find a pristine 1000 ZXL or something like that. Even the Dragon's are cheaper than ever because of higher availability. Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nelson" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 4:31 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: OFF TOPIC - SACD Players & On-topic - CR-7s > Interesting. I suspect this is may be politics as I understand that SACD is > based upon DVD BUT that it is so unofficially. > > BTW, has anyone noticed the prices of CR-7's on eBay recently, esp. those > selling in the UK? Incredibly variable. The one in the UK looks likely to > exceed £900 .... > > G > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Clarke Robinson > Sent: 22 December 2003 16:41 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] RE: OFF TOPIC - SACD Players > > From what I understand, this big problem with the units that are > currently available is poor bass management. > > Your DVD player sends a digital signal to your receiver, where you can > do things like adjust the levels of the different speakers, add DSP > effects, etc. Due to some record industry nonsense, they won't let SACD > manufacturers output a pure digital signal, so all of that type of > control takes place in the SACD player itself, and supposedly even the > high-end units fall pretty short. > > Good 2 part article on the subject, "DVD Audio and SACD - The Royal > Scam": > > http://www.audioholics.com/techtips/specsformats/dvd_sacd1a.php > http://www.audioholics.com/techtips/specsformats/dvd_sacd2a.php > > You can make your own decision on whether or not this is an important > issue for you. For me, considering the cost (and availability) of the > discs and the poor quality of the units available, I don't think this > medium is going to take off. I expect it to go the way of quad, > 8-track, and DAT tape before 5 years is up. > > Clarke > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.552 / Virus Database: 344 - Release Date: 15/12/03 > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Dec 23 22:15:54 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 21:15:54 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] RE: OFF TOPIC - SACD Players & On-topic - CR-7s In-Reply-To: <3FE7A55A.10005@csnsys.com> Message-ID: <000001c3c999$f3ea3e60$51da4c51@oemcomputer> Bob said: SACD on the other hand, is made and expected to be played on a system with full 6 channels of good audio. Now there is little or no source with the full 6 channels, but there sure are some great stuff with the front 3 channels that will sound like crap on the typical 5.1 setup. It is certainly not marketed as such in the UK but, rather, as an audiophile higher quality replacement for a CD - i.e. 2 channels, and more if you really want them. The view across the pond here is that 2 channels is for audio and more is largely for surround sound movies. The need for a subwoofer is just not there for music and as it is properly named an "effects" device for movies. That is about all it is good for. So the idea of a .1 channel is also not too applicable to music. In fact, the first standalone subwoofers were developed by REL, in Wales, specifically for the audio market, and the mid to top end at that. They only started producing (cheaper quality) sub's for movies when surround sound came of age. Something like the REL Strata is by no means an “effects” device - it's a serious transducer for matching with speakers than lack the lower octaves of music, not bangs and booms. Thus, one must be careful not to confuse the boom box subwoofers, built for “effects”, with the audio quality subs built for real music. Gra' --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.552 / Virus Database: 344 - Release Date: 15/12/03 From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Dec 23 22:39:27 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 21:39:27 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] - CR-7s In-Reply-To: <007401c3c9a7$edbb43a0$77773242@coqui.net> Message-ID: <003901c3c99d$3db61f20$51da4c51@oemcomputer> That CR7 finished @ £960 ... Highest price I've seen for one in a long long time ... -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Carlitos Jr. Sent: 23 December 2003 22:56 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: OFF TOPIC - SACD Players & On-topic - CR-7s Make no sense, Gra'. At these days I wouldn't pay any deck over $500.00 unless I find a pristine 1000 ZXL or something like that. Even the Dragon's are cheaper than ever because of higher availability. Carlos --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.552 / Virus Database: 344 - Release Date: 15/12/03 From sed2500 at netzero.net Wed Dec 24 00:48:09 2003 From: sed2500 at netzero.net (sed2500 at netzero.net) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 23:48:09 GMT Subject: [naktalk] cd player 2 music bank Message-ID: <20031223.154908.9511.392000@webmail08.lax.untd.com> I have a Nakamichi CD Player 3 Music Bank with a similar problem, the tray does not open all the time. Where did you purchase the drawer belt? From kjbleus at charter.net Wed Dec 24 04:53:40 2003 From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 21:53:40 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Happy Holidays NakTalkers!!! Message-ID: <000f01c3c9d1$84fc7030$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6> Just want to extend seasons greetings around the world to my NakTalk buddies. Best regards, and good vibes to you and your classic Nakamichi gear use for the coming year. Sincerely, Bleus de Nakker Madison, Wisc USA kjbleus at charter.net http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon/bleusphotos.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vferdman at yahoo.com Wed Dec 24 18:32:40 2003 From: vferdman at yahoo.com (Vladimir Ferdman) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 09:32:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Pitch Control om MR-1 Doesn't work In-Reply-To: <200312171100.hBHB0DEr014804@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <20031224173240.92628.qmail@web10410.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, all. Well, I have removed the pitch pot from the board in my MR-1. It was soldered straight to the PCB with no socket or connectors. I tested the pot once out of the PCB with an ohmmeter and discovered that end-to-end I got around 18K ohms (and change), but slider-to-end I got open circuit. I pronounced the pot dead. As luck would have it, Kannan has a spare one of these things and will send it to me. The failure of the pot did not disturb the functioning of the deck - it played at normal speed. Kudos to the designers who thought this out, even though they may have chose the pot poorly. I removed the pot and that didn't bother the deck either. So, now I am waiting for the new part to arrive and will report the results when I install it. I expect it'll work fine. Thanks again to everyone who helped. Best of holiday wishes to all, Vladimir __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Dec 24 21:30:43 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 15:30:43 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Pitch Control om MR-1 Doesn't work In-Reply-To: <20031224173240.92628.qmail@web10410.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031224173240.92628.qmail@web10410.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3FE9F773.8080405@rcn.com> I took one apart, a long time ago. The fault occurred because the element was worn, causing poor contact between the slider and the element. That's why cleaning did not help. Bending the slider towards the element improved matters, but not reliably. Also, the only way to disassemble the pot was to snip off the rivets. Easily done, but putting it back together was another story. I tossed it and choked it up to experience... -- Ron Vladimir Ferdman wrote: > Hi, all. Well, I have removed the pitch pot from the board in my MR-1. It was soldered straight > to the PCB with no socket or connectors. I tested the pot once out of the PCB with an ohmmeter > and discovered that end-to-end I got around 18K ohms (and change), but slider-to-end I got open > circuit. I pronounced the pot dead. As luck would have it, Kannan has a spare one of these > things and will send it to me. The failure of the pot did not disturb the functioning of the deck > - it played at normal speed. Kudos to the designers who thought this out, even though they may > have chose the pot poorly. I removed the pot and that didn't bother the deck either. So, now I > am waiting for the new part to arrive and will report the results when I install it. I expect > it'll work fine. Thanks again to everyone who helped. > > Best of holiday wishes to all, > Vladimir From bigbear69 at netzero.net Thu Dec 25 05:47:11 2003 From: bigbear69 at netzero.net (bigbear69) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 21:47:11 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year Message-ID: <000a01c3caa2$29329780$d8543542@compaq> I’ll like to wish all the Nakers a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. It’s always great to read the many messages from this intelligent group. - Big Bear (Mark Exstedt) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu Dec 25 12:49:55 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 12:49:55 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Merry Christmas! Message-ID: <3FEACEE3.5A8131D3@xs4all.nl> I also want to take this oppurtunity to wish all of you (and your Naks) a Merry Christmas and all the Best for 2004 and thank you for a good Naktalk year! Wouter From ymj.lombard at wanadoo.fr Thu Dec 25 13:13:55 2003 From: ymj.lombard at wanadoo.fr (ymj.lombard) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 13:13:55 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Merry Christmas! References: <3FEACEE3.5A8131D3@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <002f01c3cae0$91ce0930$7452fa51@lombard> Thank's for all your wishes. Merry Xmas and Happy new Year to all of you. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wouter Heijke" To: Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2003 12:49 PM Subject: [naktalk] Merry Christmas! > I also want to take this oppurtunity to wish all of you (and your Naks) > a Merry Christmas and all the Best for 2004 and thank you for a good > Naktalk year! > > Wouter > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From BOEING747600 at aol.com Thu Dec 25 14:48:13 2003 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 08:48:13 EST Subject: [naktalk] serivce manual for nakamichi rx 505 , problem with auto revers... Message-ID: <142.1f579304.2d1c449d@aol.com> Hi Tom, Hope you are fine! The problem with the auto reverse mechanism and the eject mechanism is that both of them dont work at all! When you hit either of them and you look inside below the the motors where the auto reverse/eject mechanism is , you see the motor turning and you see a number of small white gears turning a big white gear but that is all that happens! the white gear appears not to move the mechanism i.e. slide the tape holding mechism out of the for loading or auto reversing. If you try to pull out the loading mechanism it opens freely and you can even flip the cassette holder manual by your hand and slide the mechasim back into the cassette well and when you hit the reverse button once and again the play button the tape deck will play the cassette!! the fast forward and rewind button seems to work and the tape deck will record also! I unscrewed the the plate that holds the a tiny electric motor that has pulley on it and there was small rubber belt between the motor and a large pulley that has gears which mates with the white gears inside this eject/auto revrse mechanism, as mentioned the big white gear looks like there must be something like a cam on top of it that might have broken on it because turns freely with mating with the blak mechanism with black gear in the front part of the auto reverse/eject mechanism to either slide the tape out from the tape deck for loading or fliping the casstte around and putting in back in the tape deck . Your kind help in fixing this problem will be greatly appreicated as will be a email of the pages from the serivce manual with clear readable breakdown of the parts and way to time and the method in which this mechanism work will also be greatly appreciated! Your PROMPT! HELP! IN THIS REGARD WILL BE GREATLY APPRECIATED!! WISHING YOU A GREAT HOLIDAY SEASON! AND GREAT NEW YEAR!! I MUST SOLVE THE PROBLEM THIS WEEK AS I MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO DO IT AGAIN FOR A LONG TIME DUE TO BUSY SCHEDULE. Your understanding in the matter is greatly appreciated! Thanks Again!! With Best Regards! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BOEING747600 at aol.com Thu Dec 25 15:08:40 2003 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 09:08:40 EST Subject: [naktalk] PLEASE HELP! SOLVE THE PROBLEM OF RX 505 EJECT/AUTO REVERSE NOT WORKING!! Message-ID: <159.2a899b77.2d1c4968@aol.com> Hi Fellow Namkamichi Fans! I have a Nakamichi RX 505 Casstte Deck that I brought on ebay , the machine works when you pull out the sliding drawer put a casstte in it and slide the drawer back inside the machine and when you hit the play button after breifly pressing the reverse button the tape will play! fast forward, rewind and will even record! you can even flip the cassette holder by hand and initiate a manual reverse by hand! When you hit either the eject or the reverse button and look at the auto reverse/eject mechanism you can see the small electric motor that drives a big pulley turn and moves the gear, this belt is in great shape and is not slipping as I unscrewed the top to look at the belt , if you look very carefully you can see the small white gears mating with a large big! whit gear all of these moves and the teeth on all of them are like new but again nothing happens, it appears to me tha that the big white gear might have a cam on it that some how mates with the black front part of the mechanism that has slots built into which I think a cam moves inside these slots to slide out the cassette holding drawer out of the tape deck and stop for loading or flip the cassette over to play/record the other side if the auto reverse button was pressed and then slide th mechanism back in the tape deck. As mentioned that the drawer moves freely when your try to pull it out of the cassette manually , you can place a tape and push it back and it will go back freely and lock into place , you can even do a manual flip by hand and if you breifly hit the reverse button and then hit the play button the tape deck will play the cassette, the rewind, fast forward and record buttons all work. If some kind and nice soul and shed some light as to what have gone wrong and a fix for this problem it will be greatly appreciated as I am handy and will do it myself if given the directions to how to solve the problem, also a serivce manual with pages dealing specially with the problem at hand will be greatly appreciated as will be source of part that might be needed to solve the problem! Thanks! WISHING EVERY ONE! A GREAT HOLIDAY SEASON AND A VERY HAPPY NEW YEAR! With Best Regards! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marcdenis at iquebec.com Thu Dec 25 14:38:54 2003 From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 08:38:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Merry Christmas! In-Reply-To: <3FEACEE3.5A8131D3@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20031225083606.03a9e600@pop.iquebec.com> Season's greetings to all. Thank you especially to Wouter for all the efforts he puts into this and all the nice things he promises for the New Year. Cheers! -Marc At 12:49 2003/12/25 +0100, you wrote: >I also want to take this oppurtunity to wish all of you (and your Naks) >a Merry Christmas and all the Best for 2004 and thank you for a good >Naktalk year! > >Wouter From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Thu Dec 25 20:03:21 2003 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 14:03:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: SACD Message-ID: Bob: The time for two channel DVD could not be more "ripe"... I listen to my LP and open reel collection and can only imagine what two channel DVD would be like...never happen though...no money in it for the companies...I mean who listens to two channel anymore, yea.... right! Until that day comes, I can enjoy my tube amps, VPI TT, ET-2 arm, RX-505, and Teac X2000R...hey I never have to leave my house...have enough music to keep me going for 100 years! Peace health and understanding to all in the new year! Neil Lipes >From: Bob Petrovich >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Re: SACD >Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 06:59:10 -0800 (PST) > >Perhaps it might be interesting to recollect memories from 1983. Vinyl >records were retreating under CD attack.Consumers were ready to pay the >premium price for "the best sound forever" and as a result thousands of >dollars worth of software (vinyl, prerecorded tapes) ended on the curbs or >garage sales to be replaced with the same material on CD. > >"Forever" lasted 20 years. Would money spent on Linn Sondek and more vinyl >be wiser? > >Enter the 2003, "The Best sound forever, part Two". The rare opportunity >to repeat the error and repurchase music library all over again. This time >on SACD. >(Dylan on vinyl, Dylan on CD, Dylan on SACD, Dylan on... how many times to >pay royalty for the same thing?) > >And guess what? Some SACDs are not mastered from the master tapes but from >Redbook CDs. PT Barnum was right. > >December issue of The Absolute Sound dedicated to Hi-resolution formats >(DVD-A and SACD) is a must read for anyone with an itch for Hi-res upgrade. > >After reading the article, I have put to head to head comparrison my >digital front end and my ZX-9 and RX-505. > >Digital front end I used is far superior than what was available in 1985 >when both Naks were available. (Pioneer DVD as transport, GW Labs >dejitter/upsampler, modded ART DI/O converter. Tape was TDK MA. > >I preferred playback from the tapes to CD playback. > >Then, I recorded the same material from vinyl. The front end was Thorens >320 through Conrad Johnson Motif 7 preamp. Both were available in 1985. >Again, the result was more pleasing than CD playback. > >That draws me to the conclusion that it was not the superiority of CD but >the inferiority of preamps, turntables and interconnect cables that opened >the doors for CD invasion. > >I tend to believe that until universal players (DVD-A, SACD, upsampled >Redbook) are available as standard at reasonable cost, it is good to sit >and wait and listen to hybreed Redbook CD/SACD > > >Opinions? > >Bob >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Take advantage of our limited-time introductory offer for dial-up Internet access. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Fri Dec 26 06:43:22 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 16:43:22 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Seasons greetings Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D31F@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> To everyone on the list, may you all have the best time over these festive seasons and I wish you all the very best in the new year! Take care all, Tom Siomopoulos From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Fri Dec 26 07:02:23 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 17:02:23 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Music search Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D320@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi all. I just wanted to know what everyone's thoughts are on using music search. I usually don't use it in fear that it will excellerate the head wear on the decks such as my RX505 & 680ZX, what are your thoughts? Regards Tom Siomopoulos From kh1dump at khherrmann.de Fri Dec 26 00:51:45 2003 From: kh1dump at khherrmann.de (Karl-Heinz Herrmann) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 00:51:45 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] PLEASE HELP! SOLVE THE PROBLEM OF RX 505 EJECT/AUTO REVERSE NOT WORKING!! In-Reply-To: <159.2a899b77.2d1c4968@aol.com> References: <159.2a899b77.2d1c4968@aol.com> Message-ID: <20031226005145.359e6be8.kh1dump@khherrmann.de> Hi, as I mailed to the list already a week back I can send you either a highly compressed but quite readable version of the Service manual (rx505) or some relevant pages in *requested format*. For the full manual(still 12MB) you will need a freely downlaodable viewer from www.djvu.com. This has a button for "print document". Another thing I can offer is to borrow a digital camera with movie capabilities and film whats happening inside my RX505. As I remember you can watch most parts of the mechanism. Frankly -- within some 10 minutes I could make out some pages concerning the sliding mechanism, but I could not figure out the details or how it's supposed to work. There are explosion sketches with all the parts and how it's supposed to fit together, probably somewhere is a description how to adjust everything. I will not take action until you tell me what format you would be interested in -- so please reply (list or direct). Merry christmas to everybody, K.-H. From copytec at coqui.net Fri Dec 26 16:11:14 2003 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlitos Jr.) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 09:11:14 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] RE: OFF TOPIC - SACD Players & On-topic - CR-7s References: <000001c3c999$f3ea3e60$51da4c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <000801c3cbc2$81d94660$2d773242@coqui.net> Janis use to make wonderful subwooers in the heyday era of audio. Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nelson" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 3:15 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: OFF TOPIC - SACD Players & On-topic - CR-7s > > Bob said: > > > SACD on the other hand, is made and expected to be played on a system > with full 6 channels of good audio. Now there is little or no source > with the full 6 channels, but there sure are some great stuff with the > front 3 channels that will sound like crap on the typical 5.1 setup. > > It is certainly not marketed as such in the UK but, rather, as an audiophile > higher quality replacement for a CD - i.e. 2 channels, and more if you > really want them. The view across the pond here is that 2 channels is for > audio and more is largely for surround sound movies. > > The need for a subwoofer is just not there for music and as it is > properly named an "effects" device for movies. That is about all it is > good for. So the idea of a .1 channel is also not too applicable to music. > > In fact, the first standalone subwoofers were developed by REL, in Wales, > specifically for the audio market, and the mid to top end at that. They > only started producing (cheaper quality) sub's for movies when surround > sound came of age. Something like the REL Strata is by no means an > "effects" device - it's a serious transducer for matching with speakers than > lack the lower octaves of music, not bangs and booms. > > Thus, one must be careful not to confuse the boom box subwoofers, built for > "effects", with the audio quality subs built for real music. > > Gra' > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.552 / Virus Database: 344 - Release Date: 15/12/03 > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From copytec at coqui.net Fri Dec 26 16:11:55 2003 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlitos Jr.) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 09:11:55 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] - CR-7s References: <003901c3c99d$3db61f20$51da4c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <001001c3cbc2$9a01a980$2d773242@coqui.net> Totally nuts ! Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nelson" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 3:39 PM Subject: [naktalk] - CR-7s > That CR7 finished @ £960 ... Highest price I've seen for one in a long long > time ... > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Carlitos Jr. > Sent: 23 December 2003 22:56 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: OFF TOPIC - SACD Players & On-topic - CR-7s > > Make no sense, Gra'. At these days I wouldn't pay any deck over $500.00 > unless I find a pristine 1000 ZXL or something like that. Even the Dragon's > are cheaper than ever because of higher availability. > > Carlos > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.552 / Virus Database: 344 - Release Date: 15/12/03 > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Fri Dec 26 16:30:58 2003 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 10:30:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Music search Message-ID: Tom: Have used this feature on my 505 since new (1989) and no head wear is evident! A healthy and happy new year to you Tom...thanks for your assistance with the service sheet on the 505. Neil >From: Thomas Siomopoulos >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Naktalk mail list (E-mail)" >Subject: [naktalk] Music search >Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 17:02:23 +1100 > >Hi all. I just wanted to know what everyone's thoughts are on using music >search. I usually don't use it in fear that it will excellerate the head >wear on the decks such as my RX505 & 680ZX, what are your thoughts? > > Regards > >Tom Siomopoulos >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Worried about inbox overload? Get MSN Extra Storage now! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Fri Dec 26 16:36:15 2003 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 10:36:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: OFF TOPIC - SACD Players & On-topic - CR-7s Message-ID: Carlos: Remember Janis well...was made here in NYC (Bronx..Rhoebling(sp) Ave) As I recall they never got the phase switch to work exactly as hoped for...my friend used to sell them here at Audio Breakthroughs. Happy new year to you and yours. Neil >From: "Carlitos Jr." >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: OFF TOPIC - SACD Players & On-topic - CR-7s >Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 09:11:14 -0600 > >Janis use to make wonderful subwooers in the heyday era of audio. > >Carlos > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Nelson" >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 3:15 PM >Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: OFF TOPIC - SACD Players & On-topic - CR-7s > > > > > > Bob said: > > > > > > SACD on the other hand, is made and expected to be played on a system > > with full 6 channels of good audio. Now there is little or no source > > with the full 6 channels, but there sure are some great stuff with the > > front 3 channels that will sound like crap on the typical 5.1 setup. > > > > It is certainly not marketed as such in the UK but, rather, as an >audiophile > > higher quality replacement for a CD - i.e. 2 channels, and more if you > > really want them. The view across the pond here is that 2 channels is >for > > audio and more is largely for surround sound movies. > > > > The need for a subwoofer is just not there for music and as it is > > properly named an "effects" device for movies. That is about all it is > > good for. So the idea of a .1 channel is also not too applicable to >music. > > > > In fact, the first standalone subwoofers were developed by REL, in >Wales, > > specifically for the audio market, and the mid to top end at that. They > > only started producing (cheaper quality) sub's for movies when surround > > sound came of age. Something like the REL Strata is by no means an > > "effects" device - it's a serious transducer for matching with speakers >than > > lack the lower octaves of music, not bangs and booms. > > > > Thus, one must be careful not to confuse the boom box subwoofers, built >for > > "effects", with the audio quality subs built for real music. > > > > Gra' > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.552 / Virus Database: 344 - Release Date: 15/12/03 > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Have fun customizing MSN Messenger � learn how here! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_customize From sandorpistike at hotmail.com Fri Dec 26 20:29:19 2003 From: sandorpistike at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?S=E1ndor_Istv=E1n?=) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 19:29:19 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Music search References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D320@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: Hi, Tom, as far as I am concerned, I do not use this possibility on either of my Naks. I afraid of: - head wear - tape wear And, if you observe the tape-shell after some fast-forward or music search, the side of the tape-roll is usually not smooth. I hate to stress my tapes, so I rather do not use any other function than playback (from beginning of one tape-side to the utmost end). Just my 2cents... I wish to you and all Nakkers a nice Christmas and a Happy New Year, AND a very long a reliable life to all of your Naks. Best regards, István from Hungary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" To: "Naktalk mail list (E-mail)" Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 7:02 AM Subject: [naktalk] Music search > Hi all. I just wanted to know what everyone's thoughts are on using music > search. I usually don't use it in fear that it will excellerate the head > wear on the decks such as my RX505 & 680ZX, what are your thoughts? > > Regards > > Tom Siomopoulos > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Fri Dec 26 19:34:01 2003 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 13:34:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Music search Message-ID: Long live my Magyar brothers and sisters! >From: S�ndor Istv�n >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Music search >Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 19:26:24 +0100 > >Hi, Tom, >as far as I am concerned, I do not use this possibility on either of my >Naks. >I afraid of: >- head wear >- tape wear >And, if you observe the tape-shell after some fast-forward or music search, >the side of the tape-roll is usually not smooth. I hate to stress my tapes, >so I rather do not use any other function than playback (from beginning of >one tape-side to the utmost end). > >Just my 2cents... > >I wish to you and all Nakkers a nice Christmas and a Happy New Year, AND a >very long a reliable life to all of your Naks. > >Best regards, >Istv�n >from Hungary > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" >To: "Naktalk mail list (E-mail)" >Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 7:02 AM >Subject: [naktalk] Music search > > > > Hi all. I just wanted to know what everyone's thoughts are on using >music > > search. I usually don't use it in fear that it will excellerate the head > > wear on the decks such as my RX505 & 680ZX, what are your thoughts? > > > > Regards > > > > Tom Siomopoulos > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Enjoy a special introductory offer for dial-up Internet access � limited time only! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup From sandorpistike at hotmail.com Fri Dec 26 20:45:08 2003 From: sandorpistike at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?S=E1ndor_Istv=E1n?=) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 19:45:08 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Music search References: Message-ID: Hey Neil, do you have any Hungarian (=Magyar) relations? Thank you for very kind (and surprisingly commented) wishes. István ----- Original Message ----- From: "neil lipes" To: Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 7:34 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Music search > Long live my Magyar brothers and sisters! > > > >From: Sándor István > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Music search > >Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 19:26:24 +0100 > > > >Hi, Tom, > >as far as I am concerned, I do not use this possibility on either of my > >Naks. > >I afraid of: > >- head wear > >- tape wear > >And, if you observe the tape-shell after some fast-forward or music search, > >the side of the tape-roll is usually not smooth. I hate to stress my tapes, > >so I rather do not use any other function than playback (from beginning of > >one tape-side to the utmost end). > > > >Just my 2cents... > > > >I wish to you and all Nakkers a nice Christmas and a Happy New Year, AND a > >very long a reliable life to all of your Naks. > > > >Best regards, > >István > >from Hungary > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" > >To: "Naktalk mail list (E-mail)" > >Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 7:02 AM > >Subject: [naktalk] Music search > > > > > > > Hi all. I just wanted to know what everyone's thoughts are on using > >music > > > search. I usually don't use it in fear that it will excellerate the head > > > wear on the decks such as my RX505 & 680ZX, what are your thoughts? > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Tom Siomopoulos > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > _________________________________________________________________ > Enjoy a special introductory offer for dial-up Internet access — limited > time only! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Sat Dec 27 02:08:34 2003 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 20:08:34 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Music search Message-ID: Istvan: Hope you had a great day of peace...we all need it! My grandfather came to the United States around 1924...before that he traveled all over Europe having just escaped Russia... He spent time in Hungry where my mother was born...Budapest, as was my aunt Fay. As a child I always heard the music of Franz Liszt playing in the house. So I do have the blood of a Magyar flowing in my veins! Neil Lipes >From: S�ndor Istv�n >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Music search >Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 19:42:13 +0100 > >Hey Neil, >do you have any Hungarian (=Magyar) relations? >Thank you for very kind (and surprisingly commented) wishes. >Istv�n >----- Original Message ----- >From: "neil lipes" >To: >Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 7:34 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Music search > > > > Long live my Magyar brothers and sisters! > > > > > > >From: S�ndor Istv�n > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Music search > > >Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 19:26:24 +0100 > > > > > >Hi, Tom, > > >as far as I am concerned, I do not use this possibility on either of my > > >Naks. > > >I afraid of: > > >- head wear > > >- tape wear > > >And, if you observe the tape-shell after some fast-forward or music >search, > > >the side of the tape-roll is usually not smooth. I hate to stress my >tapes, > > >so I rather do not use any other function than playback (from beginning >of > > >one tape-side to the utmost end). > > > > > >Just my 2cents... > > > > > >I wish to you and all Nakkers a nice Christmas and a Happy New Year, >AND >a > > >very long a reliable life to all of your Naks. > > > > > >Best regards, > > >Istv�n > > >from Hungary > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" > > >To: "Naktalk mail list (E-mail)" > > >Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 7:02 AM > > >Subject: [naktalk] Music search > > > > > > > > > > Hi all. I just wanted to know what everyone's thoughts are on using > > >music > > > > search. I usually don't use it in fear that it will excellerate the >head > > > > wear on the decks such as my RX505 & 680ZX, what are your thoughts? > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Tom Siomopoulos > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Enjoy a special introductory offer for dial-up Internet access � limited > > time only! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Enjoy a special introductory offer for dial-up Internet access � limited time only! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Sat Dec 27 05:02:52 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 15:02:52 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Music search Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D321@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Thank you all for your opinions regarding music search. I wish you all and your Naks the very best for the new year. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Sándor István [mailto:sandorpistike at hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, 27 December 2002 5:26 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Music search Hi, Tom, as far as I am concerned, I do not use this possibility on either of my Naks. I afraid of: - head wear - tape wear And, if you observe the tape-shell after some fast-forward or music search, the side of the tape-roll is usually not smooth. I hate to stress my tapes, so I rather do not use any other function than playback (from beginning of one tape-side to the utmost end). Just my 2cents... I wish to you and all Nakkers a nice Christmas and a Happy New Year, AND a very long a reliable life to all of your Naks. Best regards, István from Hungary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" To: "Naktalk mail list (E-mail)" Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 7:02 AM Subject: [naktalk] Music search > Hi all. I just wanted to know what everyone's thoughts are on using music > search. I usually don't use it in fear that it will excellerate the head > wear on the decks such as my RX505 & 680ZX, what are your thoughts? > > Regards > > Tom Siomopoulos > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From martinferreira at hotmail.com Sat Dec 27 05:42:13 2003 From: martinferreira at hotmail.com (martinferreira at hotmail.com) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 04:42:13 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] - CR-7s Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From Sven.Schultz at t-online.de Sun Dec 28 10:39:35 2003 From: Sven.Schultz at t-online.de (Sven Schultz) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 10:39:35 +0100 Subject: AW: [naktalk] - CR-7s In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c3cd26$81d92990$0100000a@amd1333> Hi Martin - still agree - The differences between the NAK's CR7 - Dragon - ZX9 and RX505 : I think there're still the 4 top's predefinig them for the way of use - best record&playback Deck & the most userfriendly: CR7 - ! best playback deck & best serviceability: ZX9 best playback deck for mixed recorded tapes: Dragon best show effect & very good R&P: RX505 This is my list of honour - and now the ebay - pricing: Nak CR7E: 510,99 .-€ mint cond. - with Remote 05/2002 Nak RX505 Tape 422,00 .-€ mint condition 09/2003 Nak ZX9 457,00 .-€ good condition 12/2003 Dragon 900,00.-€ mint condition, ~ 1999 And they're all worth every cent ! best regards and happy new year - to all Nak - Lover's ! Sven -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Im Auftrag von martinferreira at hotmail.com Gesendet: Sonntag, 28. Dezember 2003 03:22 An: naktalk at naks.com Betreff: Re: [naktalk] - CR-7s Let me qualify my worth every cent comment. Although 960 £ may seem like a lot of money ( 2300 Canadian dollars), it's 2/3 of the original cost. Now provided that the CR7 is in very good condition, i do not believethe price is exhorbitant given that these machines are among the best cassette decks ever manufactured and are now out of production. Nakamichily yours Martin >From: >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] - CR-7s >Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 04:42:13 +0000 > >========---------------------------------------------------------====== === > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------====== === > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------====== === _____ Expand your wine savvy — and get some great new recipes — at MSN Wine. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Dec 28 12:16:46 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 11:16:46 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] - CR-7s In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c3cd34$15308280$04c34c51@oemcomputer> It's as Adam Smith said an item is worth whatever anyone is willing to pay. I hope it stands at £900 for a CR7 when I finally come to sell mine! However, I notice these high prices are generally for UK-based CR-7Es -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of martinferreira at hotmail.com Sent: 28 December 2003 02:22 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] - CR-7s Let me qualify my worth every cent comment. Although 960 £ may seem like a lot of money ( 2300 Canadian dollars), it's 2/3 of the original cost. Now provided that the CR7 is in very good condition, i do not believethe price is exhorbitant given that these machines are among the best cassette decks ever manufactured and are now out of production. Nakamichily yours Martin >From: >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] - CR-7s >Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 04:42:13 +0000 > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Expand your wine savvy — and get some great new recipes — at MSN Wine. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. 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Wouter From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net Sun Dec 28 13:46:54 2003 From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 13:46:54 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi ST 7 Tuner European vs American models References: <3FEEBEBF.66789264@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <001801c3cd40$abf5ce80$aac86391@p4t533c> Hi All, I wonder if the American ST7 tuner models has the capability to switch to 220 Volt or is the power supply only made for 110 Volt? Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wouter Heijke" To: Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 12:30 PM Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 vs CR-4 > Hi All, > > I've been working on the CR series pages for the new site and am now > taking a closer look at the CR-5 & CR-4. > It seems to me that the CR-4 may be the nicer deck, is has Level & Bias > calibration where the CR-5 'only' has Bias adjust and then the CR-4 als > has a copper-plated chassis (even CR-7 doesn't!) and OFC wiring and the > CR-5 doesn't... I'm only reading this from brochures so if i'm wrong > please correct. > But what is the Naktalker's opinion on these 2 decks? > > Wouter > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From wdrewes at iafrica.com Sun Dec 28 14:02:37 2003 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wdrewes) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 15:02:37 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi ST 7 Tuner European vs American models Message-ID: <005701c3cd42$df23b220$bf241ec4@private> Wouter,they are not switchable.The only solution is to change the transformer or use an external stepdown transformer if your national grid runs on 220/240 volts.I just brought one 120V unit of an ST7 back from USA with me.They run on very low wattages (max 15W). So a small travelling step down transformer should be able to handle it.I have seen them to be the size of a matchbox of old. Regards Walter -----Original Message----- From: Norman van Wijnen To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Date: Sunday, December 28, 2003 2:51 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi ST 7 Tuner European vs American models >Hi All, > >I wonder if the American ST7 tuner models has the capability to switch to >220 Volt or is the power supply only made for 110 Volt? > >Norman > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Wouter Heijke" >To: >Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 12:30 PM >Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 vs CR-4 > > >> Hi All, >> >> I've been working on the CR series pages for the new site and am now >> taking a closer look at the CR-5 & CR-4. >> It seems to me that the CR-4 may be the nicer deck, is has Level & Bias >> calibration where the CR-5 'only' has Bias adjust and then the CR-4 als >> has a copper-plated chassis (even CR-7 doesn't!) and OFC wiring and the >> CR-5 doesn't... I'm only reading this from brochures so if i'm wrong >> please correct. >> But what is the Naktalker's opinion on these 2 decks? >> >> Wouter >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Sun Dec 28 16:48:54 2003 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlitos Jr.) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 09:48:54 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] - CR-7s References: <000001c3cd34$15308280$04c34c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <006701c3cd5a$19e20760$29773242@coqui.net> Gra' just wait 2 more years and you'll see what I'm saying ... Those who paid that kind of money for a cassette deck today are nuts. Just a friendly advice from someone who has spend over 25 years collecting gear: at the end it doesn't worth. You need to buy some specific models only and stay away from others. The best looking Naks ever, 1000 ZXL & 700 ZXL are gorgeous until you have to fix them. Dragon ? You can buy them now for $500 or less due to high availability.CR-7 & ZX-9 ? Top priced but be careful; at the end it will happen the same as with their ZXL cousins. Maint. and parts would be almost none and ridiculous pricey. The Tape Man ----- Original Message ----- From: Nelson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 5:16 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] - CR-7s It's as Adam Smith said an item is worth whatever anyone is willing to pay. I hope it stands at £900 for a CR7 when I finally come to sell mine! However, I notice these high prices are generally for UK-based CR-7Es -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of martinferreira at hotmail.com Sent: 28 December 2003 02:22 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] - CR-7s Let me qualify my worth every cent comment. Although 960 £ may seem like a lot of money ( 2300 Canadian dollars), it's 2/3 of the original cost. Now provided that the CR7 is in very good condition, i do not believethe price is exhorbitant given that these machines are among the best cassette decks ever manufactured and are now out of production. Nakamichily yours Martin >From: >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] - CR-7s >Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 04:42:13 +0000 > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Expand your wine savvy - and get some great new recipes - at MSN Wine. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net Sun Dec 28 14:49:02 2003 From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 14:49:02 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi ST 7 Tuner European vs American models References: <005701c3cd42$df23b220$bf241ec4@private> Message-ID: <002701c3cd49$5a2e0d20$aac86391@p4t533c> Hi, sorry, i posted this message Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: "wdrewes" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi ST 7 Tuner European vs American models > Wouter,they are not switchable.The only solution is to change the > transformer or use an external stepdown transformer if your national grid > runs on 220/240 volts.I just brought one 120V unit of an ST7 back from USA > with me.They run on very low wattages (max 15W). So a small travelling step > down transformer should be able to handle it.I have seen them to be the size > of a matchbox of old. > Regards > Walter > -----Original Message----- > From: Norman van Wijnen > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Date: Sunday, December 28, 2003 2:51 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi ST 7 Tuner European vs American models > > > >Hi All, > > > >I wonder if the American ST7 tuner models has the capability to switch to > >220 Volt or is the power supply only made for 110 Volt? > > > >Norman > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Wouter Heijke" > >To: > >Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 12:30 PM > >Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 vs CR-4 > > > > > >> Hi All, > >> > >> I've been working on the CR series pages for the new site and am now > >> taking a closer look at the CR-5 & CR-4. > >> It seems to me that the CR-4 may be the nicer deck, is has Level & Bias > >> calibration where the CR-5 'only' has Bias adjust and then the CR-4 als > >> has a copper-plated chassis (even CR-7 doesn't!) and OFC wiring and the > >> CR-5 doesn't... I'm only reading this from brochures so if i'm wrong > >> please correct. > >> But what is the Naktalker's opinion on these 2 decks? > >> > >> Wouter > >> > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Dec 28 15:04:13 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 14:04:13 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] - CR-7s In-Reply-To: <006701c3cd5a$19e20760$29773242@coqui.net> Message-ID: <000501c3cd4b$793a21c0$897e893e@oemcomputer> No worries, Carlos - I'm not buying but I will be selling my CR-7 eventually, although not just yet (unless someone out there has £900 to spare for it!!!) However, I'll hang on to my TVdH modified ZX-9 - in the hope that it will be less of a problem to maintain and fix than the auto-CR7 - but longer term, I'll probably keep the ReVox .... if my B215 ever gets fixed ... Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Carlitos Jr. Sent: 28 December 2003 15:49 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] - CR-7s Gra' just wait 2 more years and you'll see what I'm saying ... Those who paid that kind of money for a cassette deck today are nuts. Just a friendly advice from someone who has spend over 25 years collecting gear: at the end it doesn't worth. You need to buy some specific models only and stay away from others. The best looking Naks ever, 1000 ZXL & 700 ZXL are gorgeous until you have to fix them. Dragon ? You can buy them now for $500 or less due to high availability.CR-7 & ZX-9 ? Top priced but be careful; at the end it will happen the same as with their ZXL cousins. Maint. and parts would be almost none and ridiculous pricey. The Tape Man ----- Original Message ----- From: Nelson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 5:16 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] - CR-7s It's as Adam Smith said an item is worth whatever anyone is willing to pay. I hope it stands at £900 for a CR7 when I finally come to sell mine! However, I notice these high prices are generally for UK-based CR-7Es -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of martinferreira at hotmail.com Sent: 28 December 2003 02:22 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] - CR-7s Let me qualify my worth every cent comment. Although 960 £ may seem like a lot of money ( 2300 Canadian dollars), it's 2/3 of the original cost. Now provided that the CR7 is in very good condition, i do not believethe price is exhorbitant given that these machines are among the best cassette decks ever manufactured and are now out of production. Nakamichily yours Martin >From: >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] - CR-7s >Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 04:42:13 +0000 > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Expand your wine savvy — and get some great new recipes — at MSN Wine. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.552 / Virus Database: 344 - Release Date: 15/12/03 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kh1dump at khherrmann.de Sun Dec 28 14:12:29 2003 From: kh1dump at khherrmann.de (Karl-Heinz Herrmann) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 14:12:29 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] PLEASE HELP! SOLVE THE PROBLEM OF RX 505 EJECT/AUTO REVERSE NOT.. In-Reply-To: <14f.2854566f.2d1e23e1@aol.com> References: <14f.2854566f.2d1e23e1@aol.com> Message-ID: <20031228141229.595d48e9.kh1dump@khherrmann.de> Hi again, On Fri, 26 Dec 2003 18:53:05 EST BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: > Kindly send the whole service manual again in the djvu format you > mentioned which you also mentioned will show the diagrams clearer than > the jpg format and I understand they will print better too! I will The RX505 service manual is (at least for some time) at: http://www.khherrmann.de/Naks/ including some directions for the djvu format. For on screen viewing make sure to select "one on one" from the zoom menu for max resolution. > Also a tiny movie that shows how the auto reverse and eject > mechanism works inside the rx 505 will be very much appreciated . Well -- I tried, it at te same webpage, but it's not very helpful. I thought I remember a rather good view of at least some of the cogwheels -- but most of it is blocked by a big alu-colored plate and the camera show severe motion blur If I try to take a movie through the slits. Hope the manual helps in solving the problem with the mechanism. K.-H. From marcdenis at iquebec.com Sun Dec 28 16:41:29 2003 From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 10:41:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 vs CR-4 In-Reply-To: <3FEEBEBF.66789264@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20031228093224.03b48d70@pop.iquebec.com> Hi Wouter, these decks were aimed at very different customers. In my humble opinion, CR-5 had its minimal feature set decided by marketing people. It was aimed at people with fairly deep pockets who wanted a cosmetic match to their separate components (CA/PA/OMS/ST Series) but did not feel they needed all the flexibility (perceived as complicated features) a CR-7 offered mostly to play back their collection of commercially pre-recorded tapes (still quite popular in these days and many people owned huge collections of these). CR-5 has excellent transport, great electronics, beautiful fluorescent meters to look at, the all-important Auto Tape Selector, and next to no features for the tweak guys. Like a luxury car with big V8 engine, climate control and automatic transmission. I think most CR-5s were made in Japan. CR-4 came out much later and was really a home recordist machine, a sort of souped-up CR-3/BX-300 aimed at the audiophile on a budget who could not afford a CR-7. It cosmetically matched the receivers rather than the separates to make it less expensive to build and was top of the line in this range. More like a sporty sedan, with twin-cam four-cylinder engine, 5-speed manual transmission, manual air conditionning and power sun roof. I think most CR-4s were made in Taiwan. I owned a CR-4 for a while when it came out and it was quite good. I would have never owned a CR-5 because of what I perceived as missing features for my needs but I have met people who owned one and they were very happy with it. It depends what you are looking for in a deck. Cheers, -Marc At 12:30 2003/12/28 +0100, you wrote: >Hi All, > >I've been working on the CR series pages for the new site and am now >taking a closer look at the CR-5 & CR-4. >It seems to me that the CR-4 may be the nicer deck, is has Level & Bias >calibration where the CR-5 'only' has Bias adjust and then the CR-4 als >has a copper-plated chassis (even CR-7 doesn't!) and OFC wiring and the >CR-5 doesn't... I'm only reading this from brochures so if i'm wrong >please correct. >But what is the Naktalker's opinion on these 2 decks? > >Wouter > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >_____________________________________________________________________ >Un mot doux à envoyer? Une sortie ciné à organiser? Faites le en temps >réel avec MSN Messenger! C'est gratuit! http://ifrance.com/_reloc/m From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Sun Dec 28 17:26:28 2003 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 11:26:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi ST 7 Tuner European vs American models Message-ID: I have one and it does! >From: "Norman van Wijnen" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi ST 7 Tuner European vs American models >Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 13:46:54 +0100 > >Hi All, > >I wonder if the American ST7 tuner models has the capability to switch to >220 Volt or is the power supply only made for 110 Volt? > >Norman > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Wouter Heijke" >To: >Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 12:30 PM >Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 vs CR-4 > > > > Hi All, > > > > I've been working on the CR series pages for the new site and am now > > taking a closer look at the CR-5 & CR-4. > > It seems to me that the CR-4 may be the nicer deck, is has Level & Bias > > calibration where the CR-5 'only' has Bias adjust and then the CR-4 als > > has a copper-plated chassis (even CR-7 doesn't!) and OFC wiring and the > > CR-5 doesn't... I'm only reading this from brochures so if i'm wrong > > please correct. > > But what is the Naktalker's opinion on these 2 decks? > > > > Wouter > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Get reliable dial-up Internet access now with our limited-time introductory offer. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup From BOEING747600 at aol.com Sun Dec 28 18:32:28 2003 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 12:32:28 EST Subject: [naktalk] Someone please HELP! me locate Part# 0C08523A main gear for Nakamichi RX-505 Message-ID: <132.29041f62.2d206dac@aol.com> Hi Dear Fellow Nakamichi Fans! My Nakamichi RX-505 auto reverse and eject mechanism is not working! (sob!) I got the service manual and looked very carefully to see why its not doing so! I have l located the part which is big white gear called main gear(main chassis assembly of the auto reverse/eject mechanism) this part is show in the Nakamichi RX 505 serivce manual on page 23 with part# 0C08523A and a collar that goes with it( part#0C08584A). The arm on this gear is broken and the collar is missing I brought this tape deck at ebay and paid premium price for it hoping it was a minor problem at the seller stated that it need only a belt! I found out otherwise! and now need you guys! help! which will be appreciated. The arm on this gear is broken and there for it does not run in the black R.arm to activate either the eject or auto reverse mechanism. I can do it myself if some kind soul can sell me the part at a reasonable price and email me with the ordering information and method of payment! THANKS EVERYONE! AND WISHING ALL A VERY HAPPY NEW YEAR! With Best Regard! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Sun Dec 28 19:44:15 2003 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 13:44:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Someone please HELP! me locate Part# 0C08523A main gearfor Nakamichi RX-505 Message-ID: Another "great" e-bay story....most of those sellers are a bunch of thieves...gives thema licence to dump junk and get paid for it..makes me so mad! >From: BOEING747600 at aol.com >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Someone please HELP! me locate Part# 0C08523A main >gearfor Nakamichi RX-505 >Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 12:32:28 EST > >Hi Dear Fellow Nakamichi Fans! My Nakamichi RX-505 auto reverse and >eject mechanism is not working! (sob!) I got the service manual and looked >very >carefully to see why its not doing so! I have l located the part which is >big >white gear called main gear(main chassis assembly of the auto reverse/eject >mechanism) this part is show in the Nakamichi RX 505 serivce manual on >page 23 >with part# 0C08523A and a collar that goes with it( part#0C08584A). > >The arm on this gear is broken and the collar is missing I brought this >tape >deck at ebay and paid premium price for it hoping it was a minor problem at >the seller stated that it need only a belt! I found out otherwise! and now >need >you guys! help! which will be appreciated. The arm on this gear is broken >and >there for it does not run in the black R.arm to activate either the eject >or >auto reverse mechanism. I can do it myself if some kind soul can sell me >the >part at a reasonable price and email me with the ordering information and >method of payment! > >THANKS EVERYONE! AND WISHING ALL A VERY HAPPY NEW YEAR! > >With Best Regard! >Ali >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Tired of slow downloads? Compare online deals from your local high-speed providers now. https://broadband.msn.com From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Sun Dec 28 19:45:54 2003 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 13:45:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Someone please HELP! me locate Part# 0C08523A main gearfor Nakamichi RX-505 Message-ID: Ali: Contact Jeff Galin at ES service in Weathersfield, Conn. >From: BOEING747600 at aol.com >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Someone please HELP! me locate Part# 0C08523A main >gearfor Nakamichi RX-505 >Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 12:32:28 EST > >Hi Dear Fellow Nakamichi Fans! My Nakamichi RX-505 auto reverse and >eject mechanism is not working! (sob!) I got the service manual and looked >very >carefully to see why its not doing so! I have l located the part which is >big >white gear called main gear(main chassis assembly of the auto reverse/eject >mechanism) this part is show in the Nakamichi RX 505 serivce manual on >page 23 >with part# 0C08523A and a collar that goes with it( part#0C08584A). > >The arm on this gear is broken and the collar is missing I brought this >tape >deck at ebay and paid premium price for it hoping it was a minor problem at >the seller stated that it need only a belt! I found out otherwise! and now >need >you guys! help! which will be appreciated. The arm on this gear is broken >and >there for it does not run in the black R.arm to activate either the eject >or >auto reverse mechanism. I can do it myself if some kind soul can sell me >the >part at a reasonable price and email me with the ordering information and >method of payment! > >THANKS EVERYONE! AND WISHING ALL A VERY HAPPY NEW YEAR! > >With Best Regard! >Ali >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Expand your wine savvy � and get some great new recipes � at MSN Wine. http://wine.msn.com From bfvasil at comcast.net Sun Dec 28 20:02:39 2003 From: bfvasil at comcast.net (Bruno Vasil) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 14:02:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Service manuals Message-ID: <68590E7A-3968-11D8-B8AD-000A278D0B4E@comcast.net> Happy New Year Nak Group, My local technician at Audiolab here in Cambridge, Mass. USA, needs service manuals for a CR-7A and a DR-10.. I get my LX-3 serviced by him and bought a DR-10 at the store where he is the tech..over the past year I have seen service manuals available by some of the members and wonder if I may ask for a copy for him..Adobe PDF will be fine or whatever format.. If I can get him to find a way to scan some of his NAK Service manuals in return, I will do so.. Ron in Framingham, Mass., do you have any local source for these manuals?? My tech has been looking for a cherry CR-7A for me for awhile now and unfortunately , this is not it.. thank you for your indulgence.. _Bruno, Arlington, Mass. 02474, USA From kannan_s at vsnl.com Sun Dec 28 20:06:07 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 11:06:07 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Someone please HELP! me locate Part# 0C08523A main gear for Nakamichi RX-505 Message-ID: Try Melissa at Nak Parts at Santa Monica- address and Ph given below for your parts. Eventhough it may be pretty expensive - your RX 505 will be functioning again. I do not expect any ordinary soul like us will keep these parts ( which are specific to RX series) wish you luck. and do not blame so many out there without any knowledge on why an RX 505 is not working without a service manual- I found my great seller of BX125 had pumped in lubricant oil on the rubber idler between spool drives hoping that it would solve sluggish FF/ Rew symptomS!!!! kannan MELISSA BRADLEY NAK USA, INC. 1500 OLYMPIC BLVD. SANTA MONICA, CA 90404 (310) 392-1155 EXT. 231 (310) 392-1030 FAX email -- melissa at nakusa.com WWW.NAKUSA.COM Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1072632748" -------------------------------1072632748 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Dear Fellow Nakamichi Fans! My Nakamichi RX-505 auto reverse and eject mechanism is not working! (sob!) I got the service manual and looked very carefully to see why its not doing so! I have l located the part which is big white gear called main gear(main chassis assembly of the auto reverse/eject mechanism) this part is show in the Nakamichi RX 505 serivce manual on page 23 with part# 0C08523A and a collar that goes with it( part#0C08584A). The arm on this gear is broken and the collar is missing I brought this tape deck at ebay and paid premium price for it hoping it was a minor problem at the seller stated that it need only a belt! I found out otherwise! and now need you guys! help! which will be appreciated. The arm on this gear is broken and there for it does not run in the black R.arm to activate either the eject or auto reverse mechanism. I can do it myself if some kind soul can sell me the part at a reasonable price and email me with the ordering information and method of payment! THANKS EVERYONE! AND WISHING ALL A VERY HAPPY NEW YEAR! With Best Regard! 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-------------------------------1072632748-- -------------- next part -------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From paulkoo at comcast.net Sun Dec 28 22:44:29 2003 From: paulkoo at comcast.net (paulkoo at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 21:44:29 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Service manuals Message-ID: <122820032144.4749.610@comcast.net> I obtain my cr7a service and owners manual via E-bay. There is a fellow here in California that scan, print and bind the manuals from the originals for about US $10. > Happy New Year Nak Group, > > My local technician at Audiolab here in Cambridge, Mass. USA, needs > service manuals for a CR-7A and a DR-10.. > > I get my LX-3 serviced by him and bought a DR-10 at the store where he > is the tech..over the past year I have seen service manuals available by > some of the members and wonder if I may ask for a copy for him..Adobe > PDF > will be fine or whatever format.. > > If I can get him to find a way to scan some of his NAK Service manuals > in return, > I will do so.. > > Ron in Framingham, Mass., do you have any local source for these > manuals?? > > My tech has been looking for a cherry CR-7A for me for awhile now and > unfortunately , this is not it.. > > thank you for your indulgence.. > > _Bruno, Arlington, Mass. 02474, USA > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bfvasil at comcast.net Sun Dec 28 23:17:46 2003 From: bfvasil at comcast.net (Bruno Vasil) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 17:17:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Service manuals In-Reply-To: <122820032144.4749.610@comcast.net> References: <122820032144.4749.610@comcast.net> Message-ID: Thank you for the information... but thanks to Wouter I know have the CR-7 service manual.. -Bruno, Arlington, Mass. 02474 USA ********************************* On Dec 28, 2003, at 4:44 PM, paulkoo at comcast.net wrote: > I obtain my cr7a service and owners manual via E-bay. There is a > fellow here in California that scan, print and bind the manuals from > the originals for about US $10. From bfvasil at comcast.net Sun Dec 28 23:27:15 2003 From: bfvasil at comcast.net (Bruno Vasil) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 17:27:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Service manuals In-Reply-To: References: <122820032144.4749.610@comcast.net> Message-ID: It should read , "I now have the CR-7 service manual"....know what I mean !!!!! -Bruno, Arlington, Mass. 02474 ****************************** On Dec 28, 2003, at 5:17 PM, Bruno Vasil wrote: > Thank you for the information... but thanks to Wouter I know have the > CR-7 > service manual.. > > -Bruno, Arlington, Mass. 02474 USA > > ********************************* > On Dec 28, 2003, at 4:44 PM, paulkoo at comcast.net wrote: From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Sun Dec 28 23:42:13 2003 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 17:42:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Service manuals Message-ID: Bruno: If you ever need high end audio repair on any of your toys..contact Mr. Moscode (George Kaye) in Holyoke, Mass. A great guy..and an electronics genius! Neil >From: Bruno Vasil >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Service manuals >Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 17:27:15 -0500 > >It should read , "I now have the CR-7 service manual"....know what I mean >!!!!! > >-Bruno, Arlington, Mass. 02474 > >****************************** >On Dec 28, 2003, at 5:17 PM, Bruno Vasil wrote: > >>Thank you for the information... but thanks to Wouter I know have the >>CR-7 >>service manual.. >> >>-Bruno, Arlington, Mass. 02474 USA >> >>********************************* >>On Dec 28, 2003, at 4:44 PM, paulkoo at comcast.net wrote: > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Check your PC for viruses with the FREE McAfee online computer scan. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From bfvasil at comcast.net Sun Dec 28 23:48:04 2003 From: bfvasil at comcast.net (Bruno Vasil) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 17:48:04 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Service manuals DR-10 In-Reply-To: <122820032144.4749.610@comcast.net> References: <122820032144.4749.610@comcast.net> Message-ID: I received the service manual for the CR-7 and all I need is the DR-10.. that's one of the NAK models I own , so I hope it's available!! Thanks for any help.. -Bruno, Arlington, Mass. 02474 USA ********************************* On Dec 28, 2003, at 4:44 PM, paulkoo at comcast.net wrote: > I obtain my cr7a service and owners manual via E-bay. There is a > fellow here in California that scan, print and bind the manuals from > the originals for about US $10. From bfvasil at comcast.net Mon Dec 29 00:12:49 2003 From: bfvasil at comcast.net (Bruno Vasil) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 18:12:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Service manuals In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5AA26FA6-398B-11D8-88A7-000A278D0B4E@comcast.net> I have my local tech do all my work but thanks for tip..just in case.. Holyoke is not that far away.. I thought George Kaye was based in New York !!!! I just did a quick search and found he is in Holyoke!! George Kaye Audio Labs on Sargeant Street.. good to know.. He's got a Mac MR-67 tuner for sale at $300.00..I may call him about that.. Have you had work done by him and are you in Massachusetts or nearby?? -Bruno, in Arlington, Mass. 92 miles east of Holyoke, Mass. ******************************************************* On Dec 28, 2003, at 5:42 PM, neil lipes wrote: > Bruno: > > If you ever need high end audio repair on any of your toys..contact > Mr. Moscode (George Kaye) in Holyoke, Mass. A great guy..and an > electronics genius! > > Neil From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Mon Dec 29 01:07:17 2003 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 19:07:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Service manuals Message-ID: Bruno: George and I go back years...when he was in NYC... He took my Audio Research SP-15 pre-amp and made it into a SUPER AMP...changed all the caps, and some other mods....the sound improvement was like two different pieces...I would put this amp up against anything ARC now makes...regardless of price... You should make it your business to just drop in and introduce yourself...he really is a beautiful human being! Neil >From: Bruno Vasil >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Service manuals >Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 18:12:49 -0500 > >I have my local tech do all my work but thanks for tip..just in case.. >Holyoke is not that far away.. > >I thought George Kaye was based in New York !!!! I just did a quick search >and found he is in Holyoke!! George Kaye Audio Labs on Sargeant Street.. >good to know.. > >He's got a Mac MR-67 tuner for sale at $300.00..I may call him about that.. > >Have you had work done by him and are you in Massachusetts or nearby?? > >-Bruno, in Arlington, Mass. 92 miles east of Holyoke, Mass. > >******************************************************* >On Dec 28, 2003, at 5:42 PM, neil lipes wrote: > >>Bruno: >> >>If you ever need high end audio repair on any of your toys..contact Mr. >>Moscode (George Kaye) in Holyoke, Mass. A great guy..and an electronics >>genius! >> >>Neil > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Worried about inbox overload? Get MSN Extra Storage now! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es From jmtooley at ce.net Mon Dec 29 01:56:16 2003 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 19:56:16 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Happy Holidays NakTalkers!!! References: <000f01c3c9d1$84fc7030$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6> Message-ID: <028701c3cda6$90788ab0$71106343@johnnyrotten> Belated Merry Christmas & prosperous 2004 to you Mr. Bleus. Let's hope that 2004 is the year of the marathon tapes CD! ;-) John T. ----- Original Message ----- From: KJ Bleus To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: KJ Bleus ; Wouter Heijke Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 10:53 PM Subject: [naktalk] Happy Holidays NakTalkers!!! Just want to extend seasons greetings around the world to my NakTalk buddies. Best regards, and good vibes to you and your classic Nakamichi gear use for the coming year. 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URL: From 75541.100 at compuserve.com Mon Dec 29 04:47:23 2003 From: 75541.100 at compuserve.com (Compudude) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 22:47:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] cr-7a EQ correction Message-ID: <200312282247_MC3-1-6293-A7A1@compuserve.com> Happy new year to you all, I was searching the naktalk archives about the equalizer modification required on older cr-7's. I have found out that models with serial no less than A130-08677 have to be fixed, but I could not find anything about what exactly needs to be done. I have the schematic of the cr-7 amplifier section, which I downloaded couple years ago from the service pages of old naks.com ftp site. Can anyone please explain what is wrong in the EQ circuit? Are the component values wrong or the PCB has to be corrected? I hope the new naks.com site will have the service section restored.. Thanks, _Fuad From smoke at snip.net Mon Dec 29 06:11:20 2003 From: smoke at snip.net (John M. Smokevitch) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 00:11:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Service manuals References: Message-ID: <3FEFB778.958B8F53@snip.net> Bruno and/or Neil, Do you have the address and telephone number for George Kaye in Holyoke Ma? Best regards. John neil lipes wrote: > Bruno: > > If you ever need high end audio repair on any of your toys..contact Mr. > Moscode (George Kaye) in Holyoke, Mass. A great guy..and an electronics > genius! > > Neil > > >From: Bruno Vasil > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Service manuals > >Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 17:27:15 -0500 > > > >It should read , "I now have the CR-7 service manual"....know what I mean > >!!!!! > > > >-Bruno, Arlington, Mass. 02474 > > > >****************************** > >On Dec 28, 2003, at 5:17 PM, Bruno Vasil wrote: > > > >>Thank you for the information... but thanks to Wouter I know have the > >>CR-7 > >>service manual.. > >> > >>-Bruno, Arlington, Mass. 02474 USA > >> > >>********************************* > >>On Dec 28, 2003, at 4:44 PM, paulkoo at comcast.net wrote: > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > _________________________________________________________________ > Check your PC for viruses with the FREE McAfee online computer scan. > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bfvasil at comcast.net Mon Dec 29 06:45:47 2003 From: bfvasil at comcast.net (Bruno Vasil) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 00:45:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Service manuals In-Reply-To: <3FEFB778.958B8F53@snip.net> References: <3FEFB778.958B8F53@snip.net> Message-ID: <404DFCD6-39C2-11D8-A829-000A278D0B4E@comcast.net> Here's the address page: http://moscode.home.att.net/Moscode_Service.html#anchor10738472 -Bruno ******* On Dec 29, 2003, at 12:11 AM, John M. Smokevitch wrote: > Bruno and/or Neil, Do you have the address and telephone number for > George > Kaye in Holyoke Ma? > > Best regards. > John From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Mon Dec 29 06:55:10 2003 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 00:55:10 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Service manuals Message-ID: John: Georges e-mail: Moscode at att.net Sargent Street, Holyoke, Mass. Just can not put my hands on his phone number...around here somewhere???? Neil >From: "John M. Smokevitch" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Service manuals >Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 00:11:20 -0500 > >Bruno and/or Neil, Do you have the address and telephone number for George >Kaye in Holyoke Ma? > >Best regards. >John > >neil lipes wrote: > > > Bruno: > > > > If you ever need high end audio repair on any of your toys..contact Mr. > > Moscode (George Kaye) in Holyoke, Mass. A great guy..and an electronics > > genius! > > > > Neil > > > > >From: Bruno Vasil > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Service manuals > > >Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 17:27:15 -0500 > > > > > >It should read , "I now have the CR-7 service manual"....know what I >mean > > >!!!!! > > > > > >-Bruno, Arlington, Mass. 02474 > > > > > >****************************** > > >On Dec 28, 2003, at 5:17 PM, Bruno Vasil wrote: > > > > > >>Thank you for the information... but thanks to Wouter I know have the > > >>CR-7 > > >>service manual.. > > >> > > >>-Bruno, Arlington, Mass. 02474 USA > > >> > > >>********************************* > > >>On Dec 28, 2003, at 4:44 PM, paulkoo at comcast.net wrote: > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Check your PC for viruses with the FREE McAfee online computer scan. > > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Expand your wine savvy � and get some great new recipes � at MSN Wine. http://wine.msn.com From p9019 at yahoo.com Mon Dec 29 07:34:30 2003 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 22:34:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] cr-7a EQ correction In-Reply-To: <200312282247_MC3-1-6293-A7A1@compuserve.com> Message-ID: <20031229063430.61999.qmail@web40407.mail.yahoo.com> You don't have to upgrade the EQ. If you are playing the tapes back on the CR-7 or on another Nak than leave it alone. You only need to upgrade the EQ if you are playing the tapes back on a non-Nak and don't like having to turn up the treble to the 1-2 o'clock position. For an explanation on why go to this web page I created and scroll down to IEC1 & IEC1 and further down to MR-1B and equalization differences. The later written by myself. http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html Scott J. aka p9019 --- Compudude <75541.100 at compuserve.com> wrote: > Happy new year to you all, > > I was searching the naktalk archives about the > equalizer modification > required on older cr-7's. I have found out that > models with serial no less > than A130-08677 have to be fixed, but I could not > find anything about what > exactly needs to be done. I have the schematic of > the cr-7 amplifier > section, which I downloaded couple years ago from > the service pages of old > naks.com ftp site. Can anyone please explain what is > wrong in the EQ > circuit? Are the component values wrong or the PCB > has to be corrected? > > I hope the new naks.com site will have the service > section restored.. > > Thanks, > _Fuad > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at comcast.net Mon Dec 29 08:05:24 2003 From: c123666 at comcast.net (CarlC) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 23:05:24 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] pro digital and DAT repair References: <20031229063430.61999.qmail@web40407.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00a901c3cdda$21993840$1702a8c0@mine> Anybody have any experience with an outfit in Pennsylvania called "Pro Digital"? They advertise their specialty as DAT and other professional gear. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Johnson" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 10:34 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] cr-7a EQ correction > You don't have to upgrade the EQ. If you are playing > the tapes back on the CR-7 or on another Nak than > leave it alone. You only need to upgrade the EQ if > you are playing the tapes back on a non-Nak and don't > like having to turn up the treble to the 1-2 o'clock > position. > > For an explanation on why go to this web page I > created and scroll down to IEC1 & IEC1 and further > down to MR-1B and equalization differences. The later > written by myself. > http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html > > Scott J. > aka p9019 > > --- Compudude <75541.100 at compuserve.com> wrote: > > Happy new year to you all, > > > > I was searching the naktalk archives about the > > equalizer modification > > required on older cr-7's. I have found out that > > models with serial no less > > than A130-08677 have to be fixed, but I could not > > find anything about what > > exactly needs to be done. I have the schematic of > > the cr-7 amplifier > > section, which I downloaded couple years ago from > > the service pages of old > > naks.com ftp site. Can anyone please explain what is > > wrong in the EQ > > circuit? Are the component values wrong or the PCB > > has to be corrected? > > > > I hope the new naks.com site will have the service > > section restored.. > > > > Thanks, > > _Fuad > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Dec 29 15:13:48 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 09:13:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] cr-7a EQ correction In-Reply-To: <20031229063430.61999.qmail@web40407.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031229063430.61999.qmail@web40407.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3FF0369C.5040203@rcn.com> The EQ mod modifies recording equalization only. It has *nothing* to do with PB. Anyone that only plays back does not need it. The mod is necessary because of mistakes Nakamichi made in design of the REC equalization circuit. Without it, the CR-7 audibly rolls off at the high end and sounds a bit on the mushy side. I recommend it to anyone that has a quality sound system. The mod consists of adding and/or replacing a dozen or so components (resistors and capacitors) in the REC amplifier. Since the PCB was not designed to accommodate the new circuit exactly, it is a bit more difficult to do than a simple, direct replacement of parts. IIRC, it took me about a couple of hours to do. I used PP caps (which were too large and exacerbated the complexity of the job, but are the best caps, sonically) and 1% metal film resistors. The mod made an immediate audible improvement. The mod should be followed with a complete realignment of the equalization. In my case, Stephen Sank did a complete realignment for me (he haas all the cassettes and gauges). The net result (mod plus realignment) was an audible sonic improvement. -- Ron Scott Johnson wrote: > You don't have to upgrade the EQ. If you are playing > the tapes back on the CR-7 or on another Nak than > leave it alone. You only need to upgrade the EQ if > you are playing the tapes back on a non-Nak and don't > like having to turn up the treble to the 1-2 o'clock > position. > > For an explanation on why go to this web page I > created and scroll down to IEC1 & IEC1 and further > down to MR-1B and equalization differences. The later > written by myself. > http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html > > Scott J. > aka p9019 > > --- Compudude <75541.100 at compuserve.com> wrote: > >>Happy new year to you all, >> >>I was searching the naktalk archives about the >>equalizer modification >>required on older cr-7's. I have found out that >>models with serial no less >>than A130-08677 have to be fixed, but I could not >>find anything about what >>exactly needs to be done. I have the schematic of >>the cr-7 amplifier >>section, which I downloaded couple years ago from >>the service pages of old >>naks.com ftp site. Can anyone please explain what is >>wrong in the EQ >>circuit? Are the component values wrong or the PCB >>has to be corrected? >> >>I hope the new naks.com site will have the service >>section restored.. >> >>Thanks, >>_Fuad >> >> From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net Mon Dec 29 15:33:55 2003 From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 15:33:55 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi ST 7 Tuner European vs American models References: Message-ID: <000d01c3ce18$c9d6cb60$aac86391@p4t533c> Hi Neal, so your ST7 can run on 110V and 220V. Thats intresting because i want to buy one on ebay but its a american version and i don't want to rebuild the power supply regards Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: "neil lipes" To: Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 5:26 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi ST 7 Tuner European vs American models > I have one and it does! > > > >From: "Norman van Wijnen" > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > >Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi ST 7 Tuner European vs American models > >Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 13:46:54 +0100 > > > >Hi All, > > > >I wonder if the American ST7 tuner models has the capability to switch to > >220 Volt or is the power supply only made for 110 Volt? > > > >Norman > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Wouter Heijke" > >To: > >Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 12:30 PM > >Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 vs CR-4 > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > I've been working on the CR series pages for the new site and am now > > > taking a closer look at the CR-5 & CR-4. > > > It seems to me that the CR-4 may be the nicer deck, is has Level & Bias > > > calibration where the CR-5 'only' has Bias adjust and then the CR-4 als > > > has a copper-plated chassis (even CR-7 doesn't!) and OFC wiring and the > > > CR-5 doesn't... I'm only reading this from brochures so if i'm wrong > > > please correct. > > > But what is the Naktalker's opinion on these 2 decks? > > > > > > Wouter > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get reliable dial-up Internet access now with our limited-time introductory > offer. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From ti at amb.org Mon Dec 29 22:05:40 2003 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 13:05:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi ST 7 Tuner European vs American models In-Reply-To: <000d01c3ce18$c9d6cb60$aac86391@p4t533c> from "Norman van Wijnen" at Dec 29, 2003 03:33:55 PM Message-ID: <200312292105.VAA27125@amb.org> Norman van Wijnen writes: > so your ST7 can run on 110V and 220V. > Thats intresting because i want to buy one on ebay but its a american > version and i don't want to rebuild the power supply I am not familiar with the ST7, but if it's a digitally-tuned unit, you have other issues to worry about other than the AC voltage. In general, US market tuners typically have an FM band of 88.1MHz to 107.9MHz with 100KHz steps. I think many European countries require something different. Also, some Euro market tuners come with a LW band that is missing on the US versions. -Ti -- R 1 3 5 Ti Kan |_|_|_| http://www.amb.org/ti | | | Vorsprung durch Technik 2 4 6 From smoke at snip.net Mon Dec 29 22:29:46 2003 From: smoke at snip.net (John M. Smokevitch) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 16:29:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi ST 7 Tuner European vs American models References: <000d01c3ce18$c9d6cb60$aac86391@p4t533c> Message-ID: <3FF09CCA.4DAC0D23@snip.net> Norman, I also have an ST-7 and mine is NOT dual voltage. It's simply 120 volts, 50-60 Hz. Hope this helps. John Norman van Wijnen wrote: > Hi Neal, > > so your ST7 can run on 110V and 220V. > Thats intresting because i want to buy one on ebay but its a american > version and i don't want to rebuild the power supply > > regards Norman > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "neil lipes" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 5:26 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi ST 7 Tuner European vs American models > > > I have one and it does! > > > > > > >From: "Norman van Wijnen" > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > >Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi ST 7 Tuner European vs American models > > >Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 13:46:54 +0100 > > > > > >Hi All, > > > > > >I wonder if the American ST7 tuner models has the capability to switch to > > >220 Volt or is the power supply only made for 110 Volt? > > > > > >Norman > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Wouter Heijke" > > >To: > > >Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 12:30 PM > > >Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 vs CR-4 > > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > I've been working on the CR series pages for the new site and am now > > > > taking a closer look at the CR-5 & CR-4. > > > > It seems to me that the CR-4 may be the nicer deck, is has Level & > Bias > > > > calibration where the CR-5 'only' has Bias adjust and then the CR-4 > als > > > > has a copper-plated chassis (even CR-7 doesn't!) and OFC wiring and > the > > > > CR-5 doesn't... I'm only reading this from brochures so if i'm wrong > > > > please correct. > > > > But what is the Naktalker's opinion on these 2 decks? > > > > > > > > Wouter > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get reliable dial-up Internet access now with our limited-time > introductory > > offer. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Dec 29 22:49:36 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 22:49:36 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Bluebook help needed Message-ID: <3FF0A16F.517CD37E@xs4all.nl> Hi All, Anyone has the Car Stereo / Professional Audio / Audio Bluebook and wants to scan the Nakamichi pages for me? The Audio bluebook I own myself but it doesn't list the DR-8/10. Thanks for the help. Wouter From marcdenis at iquebec.com Mon Dec 29 23:11:09 2003 From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 17:11:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Bluebook help needed In-Reply-To: <3FF0A16F.517CD37E@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20031229170701.03a81b30@pop.iquebec.com> At 22:49 2003/12/29 +0100, you wrote: >Hi All, > >Anyone has the Car Stereo / Professional Audio / Audio Bluebook and >wants to scan the Nakamichi pages for me? >The Audio bluebook I own myself but it doesn't list the DR-8/10. > >Thanks for the help. > >Wouter Hi Wouter, I would say that any information that applies to DR-3 would be suitable for DR-8 and DR-1 info would suit DR-10. They are pretty much direct replacement for each other, no matter what Bluebook might say. From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Dec 30 05:24:18 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 11:24:18 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi ST 7 Tuner European vs American models Message-ID: <830165829da1.829da1830165@indosat.net.id> I bought one from the US and it did not have the voltage switch. There are also 50/100 khz tuner stepping jumpers that need to be configured properly on the pcb, as well as 50us/75us de-emphasis jumper. Although not impossible, it requires the main and panel board be removed (for the .50 last digit display). I forgot the exact detail but will look it up if you need help on the jumpers. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Ti Kan Date: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 4:05 am Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi ST 7 Tuner European vs American models > Norman van Wijnen writes: > > so your ST7 can run on 110V and 220V. > > Thats intresting because i want to buy one on ebay but its a > american> version and i don't want to rebuild the power supply > > I am not familiar with the ST7, but if it's a digitally-tuned unit, > you have other issues to worry about other than the AC voltage. > > In general, US market tuners typically have an FM band of 88.1MHz to > 107.9MHz with 100KHz steps. I think many European countries require > something different. Also, some Euro market tuners come with a LW > bandthat is missing on the US versions. > > -Ti > -- > R 1 3 5 Ti Kan > |_|_|_| http://www.amb.org/ti > | | | Vorsprung durch Technik > 2 4 6 From c123666 at comcast.net Tue Dec 30 05:47:49 2003 From: c123666 at comcast.net (CarlC) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 20:47:49 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi ST 7 Tuner European vs American models References: <830165829da1.829da1830165@indosat.net.id> Message-ID: <001801c3ce90$1369a910$1702a8c0@mine> Anybody have any experience with a Nakamichi CD-500? I saw one advertised while searching for prices on a CD-400. There is no mention of a CD-500 on the Nak website and almost no mention anywhere on the web. Any info? Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 8:24 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi ST 7 Tuner European vs American models > > I bought one from the US and it did not have the voltage switch. > > There are also 50/100 khz tuner stepping jumpers that need to be configured properly on the pcb, as well as 50us/75us de-emphasis jumper. Although not impossible, it requires the main and panel board be removed (for the .50 last digit display). I forgot the exact detail but will look it up if you need help on the jumpers. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ti Kan > Date: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 4:05 am > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi ST 7 Tuner European vs American models > > > Norman van Wijnen writes: > > > so your ST7 can run on 110V and 220V. > > > Thats intresting because i want to buy one on ebay but its a > > american> version and i don't want to rebuild the power supply > > > > I am not familiar with the ST7, but if it's a digitally-tuned unit, > > you have other issues to worry about other than the AC voltage. > > > > In general, US market tuners typically have an FM band of 88.1MHz to > > 107.9MHz with 100KHz steps. I think many European countries require > > something different. Also, some Euro market tuners come with a LW > > bandthat is missing on the US versions. > > > > -Ti > > -- > > R 1 3 5 Ti Kan > > |_|_|_| http://www.amb.org/ti > > | | | Vorsprung durch Technik > > 2 4 6 > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From thsinclair at localdial.com Tue Dec 30 08:48:49 2003 From: thsinclair at localdial.com (Sinclair Forrest) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 07:48:49 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 vs CR-4 References: <3FEEBEBF.66789264@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <000801c3cea9$5d2ef820$8d8ee2c3@fredporter> Hi Wouter, I've never had any experience of the CR-5, but I have played around with a CR-4, which I once seriously considered getting. In some ways I suppose it could be considered a 'super-tuned' edition of the CR-3, in the same way that the ZX-9 was of the ZX-7. The reviews I've seen were usually pretty good, although one (which reviewed the CR-1, 2 & 3 at the same time) didn't think it added enough to the 3 to justify the price hike. Best wishes for the New Year, Sinclair ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wouter Heijke" To: Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 11:30 AM Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 vs CR-4 > Hi All, > > I've been working on the CR series pages for the new site and am now > taking a closer look at the CR-5 & CR-4. > It seems to me that the CR-4 may be the nicer deck, is has Level & Bias > calibration where the CR-5 'only' has Bias adjust and then the CR-4 als > has a copper-plated chassis (even CR-7 doesn't!) and OFC wiring and the > CR-5 doesn't... I'm only reading this from brochures so if i'm wrong > please correct. > But what is the Naktalker's opinion on these 2 decks? > > Wouter > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Tue Dec 30 10:16:10 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 11:16:10 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 vs CR-4 Message-ID: Hi to all Nakkers, Hope you've all been enjoying the silly season so far. On the CR-4, I think it is one of the finer Naks to have - it is a pretty trouble free device that represents excellent value for the serious home-recordist. It is as steady as a rock, mechanism-wise, tremendous tonal purity a la CR series in general, an accurate tape tuning facility, beautiful meters.....What more could you want? I used one from 1993-2001 (when I swopped mine for a barely used 682ZX) because I did not have a deck from that "hey-day" era and for those that do not know, the 682ZX is incredibly special. I also decided that it would be a lot easier picking up a good used CR-4 (which I do admit I miss) than a practically virgin 682ZX. The guy that took the CR-4 (an 'E') wanted the remote compatibility that it offered - and the cosmetic match with the rest of his Nak system. I don't know the CR5 but it does have the virtue of looking great and being blood brother of the CR-7. It's also very rare - like an RX-303. If it sounds like a CR-7, even on a bad day (or a bad tape!!!), it would be splendid. Incidently, the Hi-Fi Choice Mag around 1988, when testing the then new CR-4E, presented a 'scope pic of the frequency plot of the deck using a variety of tapes. The machine delivered a plot that might as well have been drawn with a ruler between 20hz and 23khz at both -20dB and -10dB. Considering that no natural music signals contain information at signal aplitudes above 0dB/at the 14khz frequency marker, this sort of performance from any component is not only excellent, but better than necessary. Anyway, I personally would not vascillate too much. I'd probably buy both!!!!!!! Cheers, Marc The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. 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From FabFourFan at nme.com Tue Dec 30 06:25:27 2003 From: FabFourFan at nme.com (FabFourFan) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 00:25:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Bluebook help needed In-Reply-To: <3FF0A16F.517CD37E@xs4all.nl> References: <3FF0A16F.517CD37E@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <2r22vvoah3umhbgv5g0f61no1n4mgrlb5s@4ax.com> On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 22:49:36 +0100, Wouter wrote: >Hi All, > >Anyone has the Car Stereo / Professional Audio / Audio Bluebook and >wants to scan the Nakamichi pages for me? >The Audio bluebook I own myself but it doesn't list the DR-8/10. > >Thanks for the help. > >Wouter Believe it or not, right now you don't need a printed copy of the Orion Bluebook! Just try this link. I have no idea how long they'll leave this online, but right now it seems to work 100%! Enjoy! http://www.usedprice.com/aspsite/lookupallnew.asp?table=Bookaud&bookname=Audio&manuf=manufaud&type=typeaud&field1=Power&field2=0&field3=0&associateid=1256&lookuplevel=1 FabFourFan ------------ Mike Patrick From wheijke at xs4all.nl Tue Dec 30 11:33:20 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 11:33:20 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Bluebook help needed References: <3FF0A16F.517CD37E@xs4all.nl> <2r22vvoah3umhbgv5g0f61no1n4mgrlb5s@4ax.com> Message-ID: <3FF15470.E36DB8B@xs4all.nl> JUST WHAT I NEEDED! THANKS! And... if you are creative with the request parameters in the URL then you can get to the other manuals too: Pro Sound: http://www.usedprice.com/aspsite/lookupallnew.asp?table=Bookpro&bookname=Pro%2BSound&manuf=manufpro&type=typepro&field1=Power&field2=0&field3=0&associateid=1256&lookuplevel=1 Car Stereo: http://www.usedprice.com/aspsite/lookupallnew.asp?table=Bookcar&bookname=Car%2BStereo&manuf=manufcar&type=typecar&field1=Power&field2=0&field3=0&associateid=1256&lookuplevel=1 Wouter FabFourFan wrote: > On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 22:49:36 +0100, Wouter wrote: > > >Hi All, > > > >Anyone has the Car Stereo / Professional Audio / Audio Bluebook and > >wants to scan the Nakamichi pages for me? > >The Audio bluebook I own myself but it doesn't list the DR-8/10. > > > >Thanks for the help. > > > >Wouter > > Believe it or not, right now you don't need a printed copy of the Orion > Bluebook! Just try this link. I have no idea how long they'll leave > this online, but right now it seems to work 100%! > > Enjoy! > > http://www.usedprice.com/aspsite/lookupallnew.asp?table=Bookaud&bookname=Audio&manuf=manufaud&type=typeaud&field1=Power&field2=0&field3=0&associateid=1256&lookuplevel=1 > > FabFourFan > ------------ > Mike Patrick > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Tue Dec 30 17:46:18 2003 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlitos Jr.) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 10:46:18 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] - CR-7s References: <000501c3cd4b$793a21c0$897e893e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <002a01c3cef4$837f3580$72773242@coqui.net> Ha,ha, ha ! I understand Gra'. At least with Revox and Tandberg the parts are completely available. Not so with most of the old Naks... unfortunately. Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: Nelson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 8:04 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] - CR-7s No worries, Carlos - I'm not buying but I will be selling my CR-7 eventually, although not just yet (unless someone out there has £900 to spare for it!!!) However, I'll hang on to my TVdH modified ZX-9 - in the hope that it will be less of a problem to maintain and fix than the auto-CR7 - but longer term, I'll probably keep the ReVox .... if my B215 ever gets fixed ... Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Carlitos Jr. Sent: 28 December 2003 15:49 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] - CR-7s Gra' just wait 2 more years and you'll see what I'm saying ... Those who paid that kind of money for a cassette deck today are nuts. Just a friendly advice from someone who has spend over 25 years collecting gear: at the end it doesn't worth. You need to buy some specific models only and stay away from others. The best looking Naks ever, 1000 ZXL & 700 ZXL are gorgeous until you have to fix them. Dragon ? You can buy them now for $500 or less due to high availability.CR-7 & ZX-9 ? Top priced but be careful; at the end it will happen the same as with their ZXL cousins. Maint. and parts would be almost none and ridiculous pricey. The Tape Man ----- Original Message ----- From: Nelson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 5:16 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] - CR-7s It's as Adam Smith said an item is worth whatever anyone is willing to pay. I hope it stands at £900 for a CR7 when I finally come to sell mine! However, I notice these high prices are generally for UK-based CR-7Es -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of martinferreira at hotmail.com Sent: 28 December 2003 02:22 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] - CR-7s Let me qualify my worth every cent comment. Although 960 £ may seem like a lot of money ( 2300 Canadian dollars), it's 2/3 of the original cost. Now provided that the CR7 is in very good condition, i do not believethe price is exhorbitant given that these machines are among the best cassette decks ever manufactured and are now out of production. 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URL: From copytec at coqui.net Tue Dec 30 17:49:45 2003 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlitos Jr.) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 10:49:45 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Service manuals References: Message-ID: <005101c3cef4$ef2c3620$72773242@coqui.net> Hi Neil: Do you have his number or e.mail, please ? Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "neil lipes" To: Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 6:07 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Service manuals > Bruno: > > George and I go back years...when he was in NYC... > > He took my Audio Research SP-15 pre-amp and made it into a SUPER > AMP...changed all the caps, and some other mods....the sound improvement was > like two different pieces...I would put this amp up against anything ARC now > makes...regardless of price... You should make it your business to just drop > in and introduce yourself...he really is a beautiful human being! > > Neil > > > > > >From: Bruno Vasil > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Service manuals > >Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 18:12:49 -0500 > > > >I have my local tech do all my work but thanks for tip..just in case.. > >Holyoke is not that far away.. > > > >I thought George Kaye was based in New York !!!! I just did a quick search > >and found he is in Holyoke!! George Kaye Audio Labs on Sargeant Street.. > >good to know.. > > > >He's got a Mac MR-67 tuner for sale at $300.00..I may call him about that.. > > > >Have you had work done by him and are you in Massachusetts or nearby?? > > > >-Bruno, in Arlington, Mass. 92 miles east of Holyoke, Mass. > > > >******************************************************* > >On Dec 28, 2003, at 5:42 PM, neil lipes wrote: > > > >>Bruno: > >> > >>If you ever need high end audio repair on any of your toys..contact Mr. > >>Moscode (George Kaye) in Holyoke, Mass. A great guy..and an electronics > >>genius! > >> > >>Neil > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > _________________________________________________________________ > Worried about inbox overload? Get MSN Extra Storage now! > http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From copytec at coqui.net Tue Dec 30 17:50:15 2003 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlitos Jr.) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 10:50:15 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Happy Holidays NakTalkers!!! References: <000f01c3c9d1$84fc7030$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6> <028701c3cda6$90788ab0$71106343@johnnyrotten> Message-ID: <006401c3cef5$00321f20$72773242@coqui.net> Yes ! I hope that too ! Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: John M. Tooley To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 6:56 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy Holidays NakTalkers!!! Belated Merry Christmas & prosperous 2004 to you Mr. Bleus. Let's hope that 2004 is the year of the marathon tapes CD! ;-) John T. ----- Original Message ----- From: KJ Bleus To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: KJ Bleus ; Wouter Heijke Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 10:53 PM Subject: [naktalk] Happy Holidays NakTalkers!!! Just want to extend seasons greetings around the world to my NakTalk buddies. Best regards, and good vibes to you and your classic Nakamichi gear use for the coming year. 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URL: From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Tue Dec 30 19:04:16 2003 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 13:04:16 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Service manuals Message-ID: Carlos: It is as follows: Moscode at att.net Hope this helps Neil >From: "Carlitos Jr." >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Service manuals >Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 10:49:45 -0600 > >Hi Neil: > >Do you have his number or e.mail, please ? > >Carlos > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "neil lipes" >To: >Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 6:07 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Service manuals > > > > Bruno: > > > > George and I go back years...when he was in NYC... > > > > He took my Audio Research SP-15 pre-amp and made it into a SUPER > > AMP...changed all the caps, and some other mods....the sound improvement >was > > like two different pieces...I would put this amp up against anything ARC >now > > makes...regardless of price... You should make it your business to just >drop > > in and introduce yourself...he really is a beautiful human being! > > > > Neil > > > > > > > > > > >From: Bruno Vasil > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Service manuals > > >Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 18:12:49 -0500 > > > > > >I have my local tech do all my work but thanks for tip..just in case.. > > >Holyoke is not that far away.. > > > > > >I thought George Kaye was based in New York !!!! I just did a quick >search > > >and found he is in Holyoke!! George Kaye Audio Labs on Sargeant >Street.. > > >good to know.. > > > > > >He's got a Mac MR-67 tuner for sale at $300.00..I may call him about >that.. > > > > > >Have you had work done by him and are you in Massachusetts or nearby?? > > > > > >-Bruno, in Arlington, Mass. 92 miles east of Holyoke, Mass. > > > > > >******************************************************* > > >On Dec 28, 2003, at 5:42 PM, neil lipes wrote: > > > > > >>Bruno: > > >> > > >>If you ever need high end audio repair on any of your toys..contact >Mr. > > >>Moscode (George Kaye) in Holyoke, Mass. A great guy..and an >electronics > > >>genius! > > >> > > >>Neil > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Worried about inbox overload? Get MSN Extra Storage now! > > http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Get reliable dial-up Internet access now with our limited-time introductory offer. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup From jay at benach.com Tue Dec 30 19:08:48 2003 From: jay at benach.com (Jay) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 13:08:48 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: [naktalk] comparing record levels from deck to deck Message-ID: [ I am relatively new to cassette recording compared to many of you on this list so please don't assume I know anything just because I own 3 tape decks :-) ] Decks I own: Sony WM-D6C, Nak RX-505, Revox B215s Question: If I make a recording on the Revox B215s deck that peaks at +4, when I play it back on the Nak RX-505 or Sony WM-D6C should those peak meters show +4 or something different? Same Question Asked Differently: Are level meters the same when compared across all properly calibrated cassette decks? Same Question Asked Differently again: I remember some months ago there was a Naktalk cassette being sent around the world where everybody would make a recording on it. If a guy in Ohio recorded with a peak of +4, did everybody else on the list who received the tape play it back and their respective decks showed +4 peaks? Thanks --Jay From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Dec 30 19:50:42 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 18:50:42 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] - CR-7s In-Reply-To: <002a01c3cef4$837f3580$72773242@coqui.net> Message-ID: <000101c3cf05$d36c92c0$b8ac4e51@oemcomputer> Yup, you understand me well! :o) However, I want to keep that ZX9 going for as long as possible ... I don't understand how TVDH's modification works on these decks but it sure makes this one sound good, better than my CR7 and the ReVox (for the short while it was working...I think I'm going to have to right it off as a bad job and buy another...) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Carlitos Jr. Sent: 30 December 2003 16:46 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] - CR-7s Ha,ha, ha ! I understand Gra'. At least with Revox and Tandberg the parts are completely available. Not so with most of the old Naks... unfortunately. Carlos --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.556 / Virus Database: 348 - Release Date: 26/12/03 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmtooley at ce.net Tue Dec 30 19:52:53 2003 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 13:52:53 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] - CR-7s References: <000101c3cf05$d36c92c0$b8ac4e51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <01b601c3cf06$21d868d0$4b116343@johnnyrotten> Gra' What do you need for your B 215? John T. ----- Original Message ----- From: Nelson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 1:50 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] - CR-7s Yup, you understand me well! :o) However, I want to keep that ZX9 going for as long as possible ... I don't understand how TVDH's modification works on these decks but it sure makes this one sound good, better than my CR7 and the ReVox (for the short while it was working...I think I'm going to have to right it off as a bad job and buy another...) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Carlitos Jr. Sent: 30 December 2003 16:46 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] - CR-7s Ha,ha, ha ! I understand Gra'. At least with Revox and Tandberg the parts are completely available. Not so with most of the old Naks... unfortunately. Carlos ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Tue Dec 30 21:13:20 2003 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 15:13:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Service manuals Message-ID: Carlos: Wrong tech I think: The one I gave you is for high end amp service via George Kaye. Contact : Jeff Galin 860-529-3700 Nakamichi Service Center in Weathersfield, Conn. >From: "neil lipes" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Service manuals >Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 13:04:16 -0500 > >Carlos: > >It is as follows: > >Moscode at att.net > >Hope this helps > >Neil > > >>From: "Carlitos Jr." >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Service manuals >>Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 10:49:45 -0600 >> >>Hi Neil: >> >>Do you have his number or e.mail, please ? >> >>Carlos >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "neil lipes" >>To: >>Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 6:07 PM >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Service manuals >> >> >> > Bruno: >> > >> > George and I go back years...when he was in NYC... >> > >> > He took my Audio Research SP-15 pre-amp and made it into a SUPER >> > AMP...changed all the caps, and some other mods....the sound >>improvement >>was >> > like two different pieces...I would put this amp up against anything >>ARC >>now >> > makes...regardless of price... You should make it your business to just >>drop >> > in and introduce yourself...he really is a beautiful human being! >> > >> > Neil >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >From: Bruno Vasil >> > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Service manuals >> > >Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 18:12:49 -0500 >> > > >> > >I have my local tech do all my work but thanks for tip..just in case.. >> > >Holyoke is not that far away.. >> > > >> > >I thought George Kaye was based in New York !!!! I just did a quick >>search >> > >and found he is in Holyoke!! George Kaye Audio Labs on Sargeant >>Street.. >> > >good to know.. >> > > >> > >He's got a Mac MR-67 tuner for sale at $300.00..I may call him about >>that.. >> > > >> > >Have you had work done by him and are you in Massachusetts or nearby?? >> > > >> > >-Bruno, in Arlington, Mass. 92 miles east of Holyoke, Mass. >> > > >> > >******************************************************* >> > >On Dec 28, 2003, at 5:42 PM, neil lipes wrote: >> > > >> > >>Bruno: >> > >> >> > >>If you ever need high end audio repair on any of your toys..contact >>Mr. >> > >>Moscode (George Kaye) in Holyoke, Mass. A great guy..and an >>electronics >> > >>genius! >> > >> >> > >>Neil >> > > >> > >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> > >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> > >Maintain your account here: >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > >> > _________________________________________________________________ >> > Worried about inbox overload? 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There are also 50/100 khz tuner stepping jumpers that need to be configured properly on the pcb, as well as 50us/75us de-emphasis jumper. Although not impossible, it requires the main and panel board be removed (for the .50 last digit display). I forgot the exact detail but will look it up if you need help on the jumpers. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Ti Kan Date: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 4:05 am Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi ST 7 Tuner European vs American models > Norman van Wijnen writes: > > so your ST7 can run on 110V and 220V. > > Thats intresting because i want to buy one on ebay but its a > american> version and i don't want to rebuild the power supply > > I am not familiar with the ST7, but if it's a digitally-tuned unit, > you have other issues to worry about other than the AC voltage. > > In general, US market tuners typically have an FM band of 88.1MHz to > 107.9MHz with 100KHz steps. I think many European countries require > something different. Also, some Euro market tuners come with a LW > bandthat is missing on the US versions. > > -Ti > -- > R 1 3 5 Ti Kan > |_|_|_| http://www.amb.org/ti > | | | Vorsprung durch Technik > 2 4 6 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net Tue Dec 30 22:13:21 2003 From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 22:13:21 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi ST 7 Tuner European vs American models References: <007b01c3cf13$fed1dac0$63231ec4@private> Message-ID: <000601c3cf19$c0ec9cd0$aac86391@p4t533c> Hi , thanks for all the st7 messages you send to naktalk. Maybe is the jumper setting an intresting item for publishing on the nak site? regards Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: "wdrewes" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 9:32 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi ST 7 Tuner European vs American models > Hi Salim,can you please ,if not too much trouble send me the jumper changes > .I would very much apreciate you doing so .If there is no wider interest in > the group you are welcome to do it offline.On Saturday I carted a Sanktified > CR 7 the ST7 (Voltage unswitchable as my 220V unit I already use is as > well)and speaker and deck switchers from USA to here in South Africa.Quite a > lug!There is no hurry.Thanks > Walter > -----Original Message----- > From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Date: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 6:28 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi ST 7 Tuner European vs American models > > > > I bought one from the US and it did not have the voltage switch. > > There are also 50/100 khz tuner stepping jumpers that need to be configured > properly on the pcb, as well as 50us/75us de-emphasis jumper. Although not > impossible, it requires the main and panel board be removed (for the .50 > last digit display). I forgot the exact detail but will look it up if you > need help on the jumpers. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ti Kan > Date: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 4:05 am > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi ST 7 Tuner European vs American models > > > Norman van Wijnen writes: > > > so your ST7 can run on 110V and 220V. > > > Thats intresting because i want to buy one on ebay but its a > > american> version and i don't want to rebuild the power supply > > > > I am not familiar with the ST7, but if it's a digitally-tuned unit, > > you have other issues to worry about other than the AC voltage. > > > > In general, US market tuners typically have an FM band of 88.1MHz to > > 107.9MHz with 100KHz steps. I think many European countries require > > something different. Also, some Euro market tuners come with a LW > > bandthat is missing on the US versions. > > > > -Ti > > -- > > R 1 3 5 Ti Kan > > |_|_|_| http://www.amb.org/ti > > | | | Vorsprung durch Technik > > 2 4 6 > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net Tue Dec 30 22:27:51 2003 From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 22:27:51 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OMS7E CD Player Message-ID: <000f01c3cf1b$c7e02cd0$aac86391@p4t533c> Hi naktalkers, how does a OMS7 CD Player compare to the new cd players (from another brand) on the market ? Is it still worth to buy this piece of art ? Regards Norman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Tue Dec 30 22:37:35 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 13:37:35 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] comparing record levels from deck to deck Message-ID: One reason why tape decks had to go is this lack of uniformity in playing a Hi Fi tape on one machine while recorded on another even when their head alignments are same. This problem associated with cassette tape recording is due entirely to its invention- basically it was invented to record speech by Philips and then it became a Hi-Fi medium!( by Nakamichi with their three head / dual capstan drive technology and no wonder so many of us are still owning this machine and talking about it while we seem to be a shrinking species) There are ofcourse IEC ( International Electrotechnical ..... a comittee which set the standard ) standards defining standard Flux level on the tape / tape width and other relevent requirements for casette recorders. But manufacturers actually were deviating quite a bit and even went to IEC to change the standard ( IEC II)to suite their recorders charecteristics - that would help them to achieve 20 KHz response in paper!. So incase you have many recorders of variuos Mnaufacturers, you have a good chance to see all these anamolies. Nakamichi used mostly one set of standards and so if you had calibrated their machine in a particular sequence as described on their service manual - you see absolutely no difference in their meters. However if the head alignment or meter / playback circuit or Record circuit alignments had been cahnged, then you would see difference even in NAks. However 1dB difference in meter is not that bad but you have a good chance to see 3 -8 dB differences . I hope that incase of Spool recorders the situation may be better with better standards and adherence? kannan ----- Original Message ----- From: Jay Date: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 10:08 am Subject: [naktalk] comparing record levels from deck to deck > [ I am relatively new to cassette recording compared to many of > you on > this list so please don't assume I know anything just because I > own 3 tape > decks :-) ] > > Decks I own: Sony WM-D6C, Nak RX-505, Revox B215s > > Question: > If I make a recording on the Revox B215s deck that peaks at +4, > when I > play it back on the Nak RX-505 or Sony WM-D6C should those peak meters > show +4 or something different? > > Same Question Asked Differently: > Are level meters the same when compared across all properly calibrated > cassette decks? > > Same Question Asked Differently again: > I remember some months ago there was a Naktalk cassette being sent > aroundthe world where everybody would make a recording on it. If > a guy in Ohio > recorded with a peak of +4, did everybody else on the list who > receivedthe tape play it back and their respective decks showed +4 > peaks? > Thanks > > --Jay > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register========------------------------------- > --------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========--------------- > ------------------------------------------========= > From ti at amb.org Wed Dec 31 00:04:27 2003 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 15:04:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] comparing record levels from deck to deck In-Reply-To: from "Jay" at Dec 30, 2003 01:08:48 PM Message-ID: <200312302304.XAA02161@amb.org> Jay writes: > Question: > If I make a recording on the Revox B215s deck that peaks at +4, when I > play it back on the Nak RX-505 or Sony WM-D6C should those peak meters > show +4 or something different? > > Same Question Asked Differently: > Are level meters the same when compared across all properly calibrated > cassette decks? > > Same Question Asked Differently again: > I remember some months ago there was a Naktalk cassette being sent around > the world where everybody would make a recording on it. If a guy in Ohio > recorded with a peak of +4, did everybody else on the list who received > the tape play it back and their respective decks showed +4 peaks? I think different manufacturers calibrate their meters differently, that is "0dB" or "0VU" might be different across different decks. However, many decks have a reference mark on the meter that shows what the "Dolby level" is, and that should be consistent across all decks. For example, on my Pioneer CT-F1250 it's +3dB, whereas on the Kenwood KX-660HX its' +2dB. My Nak Dragon doesn't have an obvious mark on its meters as to where the Dolby level is, but I think it's 0dB. -Ti 2003 A4 1.8T multitronic 2001 S4 biturbo 6-sp 1984 5000S turbo 1980 4000 2.0 5-sp -- R 1 3 5 Ti Kan |_|_|_| http://www.amb.org/ti | | | Vorsprung durch Technik 2 4 6 From Sven.Schultz at t-online.de Wed Dec 31 00:07:53 2003 From: Sven.Schultz at t-online.de (Sven Schultz) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 00:07:53 +0100 Subject: AW: [naktalk] OMS7E CD Player In-Reply-To: <000f01c3cf1b$c7e02cd0$aac86391@p4t533c> Message-ID: <000001c3cf29$c1ffa030$0100000a@amd1333> Hi Norman - I am owner of both OMS7E II and OMS5EII - have compared it with a lot of High End Players, e.g. Marantz CD17MK2 KLE an other high-bitted ones - T+A CD1220, Denon, Accuphase DPA77, Burmester CD001, Reimyo and Audiomeca Obsession - The mechanical stability wasn`t as good as the newer ones (slow reading of the index, problems with CD/R's) - but the sound is exorbitant, non digital, neutral , no sharpness - and will be beaten only by tube preamped CD players and those above 2.500 EUR. The Tuning trick inside both versions is a "puck" Stabilizer, which is placed on the CD and centered or fixed (?) magneticaly the CD. The analog section is out of discussion, high ended. Some of the older OMS Players have display malfunctions, or can't position their picup correctly - often a question of dust and smoke polluting the mechanic or laser optical pickup. The Versions E-II have a slightly better laser diode, so they are able to read most of the CD/R's, so propanbly think about getting the tuned version's ! Difference between 5E and OMS7E is the Remote Control Unit & the programmable playback section, the discplayer is the same. Prices in Ebay differ from 250 - 500 EURO in Germany - when a remote was attached within the OMS7EII they will be sometimes above 600 EURO. My Chain is a NAK CA7E, CR7E, PA7E, OMS7E-II. OMS5E-II, Cables from Nordost (Blue Heaven) Cardsa (Quadlink 5C) cd to preamp; Transmission Line Speakers Visaton / Focal selfmade. Hope to be helpful for your decision - I think the're both ok, when in mint condition, best regards and a happy new year from germany (old Europe....) Sven -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Im Auftrag von Norman van Wijnen Gesendet: Dienstag, 30. Dezember 2003 22:28 An: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Betreff: [naktalk] OMS7E CD Player Hi naktalkers, how does a OMS7 CD Player compare to the new cd players (from another brand) on the market ? Is it still worth to buy this piece of art ? Regards Norman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tgheins at earthlink.net Wed Dec 31 02:07:26 2003 From: tgheins at earthlink.net (Tim Heins) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 20:07:26 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RX-202 Message-ID: <000801c3cf3a$788f0ec0$21434bab@dnowacos1> I have an RX-202 with a tape jammed inside. It won't eject. When I try, it just spits a little tape out and the lights start blinking back and forth. Is there a reset button somewhere. I have no manual. Any suggestions? Yes, I've unplugged it. Thx. Tim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Wed Dec 31 02:12:36 2003 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 20:12:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OMS7E CD Player Message-ID: Had one ..dumped it for a Sony ES...much better >From: "Norman van Wijnen" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: [naktalk] OMS7E CD Player >Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 22:27:51 +0100 > >Hi naktalkers, > >how does a OMS7 CD Player compare to the new cd players (from another >brand) on the market ? Is it still worth to buy this piece of art ? > >Regards > >Norman >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Get reliable dial-up Internet access now with our limited-time introductory offer. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Dec 31 06:31:06 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 12:31:06 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi ST 7 Tuner European vs American models Message-ID: <8423d3843881.8438818423d3@indosat.net.id> Hi Walter and Norman, I planned to scan the whole manual ever since the "contribution" talk =) but never completed the board pages. In the meantime I will send what pages I have to Wouter and offline to you (also some rough 'guidelines'). BTW did you mean that your ST7 is a 220V version ? If you can see the .50 display then the jumpers are already correct. Please be patient as my PC is now unplugged due to sudden flood last night in my room ! (I'm replying from the office) Ugh, water close to PA7, going to office on the 31st ... what more can I ask. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: wdrewes Date: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 3:32 am Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi ST 7 Tuner European vs American models > Hi Salim,can you please ,if not too much trouble send me the > jumper changes > .I would very much apreciate you doing so .If there is no wider > interest in > the group you are welcome to do it offline.On Saturday I carted a > SanktifiedCR 7 the ST7 (Voltage unswitchable as my 220V unit I > already use is as > well)and speaker and deck switchers from USA to here in South > Africa.Quite a > lug!There is no hurry.Thanks > Walter > -----Original Message----- > From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Date: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 6:28 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi ST 7 Tuner European vs American > models > > > I bought one from the US and it did not have the voltage switch. > From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Dec 31 06:38:04 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 12:38:04 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Someone please HELP! me locate Part# 0C08523A main gear for Nakamichi RX-505 Message-ID: <842c1f84166a.84166a842c1f@indosat.net.id> Hi all, This parts inquiry reminds me of my promise long time ago ... which I failed to deliver. Please accept my apology to those who already sent me their parts inquiry. Ever since that time I have only received one reply from the Nak distributor saying that he will follow up the list order 'real soon'. When, or if, I ever hear from him again I will keep you posted. Thanks Kannan for finding a replacement source =) Have a Happy Nakkin' 2004 ! salim aka the man with the golden zxl ----- Original Message ----- From: kannan_s at vsnl.com Date: Monday, December 29, 2003 2:06 am Subject: Re: [naktalk] Someone please HELP! me locate Part# 0C08523A main gear for Nakamichi RX-505 > > Try Melissa at Nak Parts at Santa Monica- address and Ph given > below for your parts. Eventhough it may be pretty expensive - your > RX 505 will be functioning again. I do not expect any ordinary > soul like us will keep these parts ( which are specific to RX series) > wish you luck. and do not blame so many out there without any > knowledge on why an RX 505 is not working without a service manual- > I found my great seller of BX125 had pumped in lubricant oil on > the rubber idler between spool drives hoping that it would solve > sluggish FF/ Rew symptomS!!!! > kannan > > MELISSA BRADLEY > > NAK USA, INC. > > 1500 OLYMPIC BLVD. > > SANTA MONICA, CA 90404 > > (310) 392-1155 EXT. 231 > > (310) 392-1030 FAX > email -- melissa at nakusa.com > WWW.NAKUSA.COM -------------- next part -------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Dec 31 06:46:55 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 12:46:55 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] - CR-7s Message-ID: <8eaa4a8ef61e.8ef61e8eaa4a@indosat.net.id> Hi Gra, does sending Revox to Jakarta can be counted as writing off ? Cheers, Salim SM Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0002_01C3CF05.D36C92C0" ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C3CF05.D36C92C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yup, you understand me well! :o) However, I want to keep that ZX9 going for as long as possible ... I don't understand how TVDH's modification works on these decks but it sure makes this one sound good, better than my CR7 and the ReVox (for the short while it was working...I think I'm going to have to right it off as a bad job and buy another...) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Carlitos Jr. Sent: 30 December 2003 16:46 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] - CR-7s Ha,ha, ha ! I understand Gra'. At least with Revox and Tandberg the parts are completely available. Not so with most of the old Naks... unfortunately. 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Yup, you understand me well!  :o)  = However, I=20 want to keep that ZX9 going for as long as possible ... I don't = understand how=20 TVDH's modification works on these decks but it sure makes this one = sound good,=20 better than my CR7 and the ReVox (for the short while it was working...I = think=20 I'm going to have to right it off as a bad job and buy=20 another...)
 
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Ha,ha, ha ! I understand Gra'. At = least with=20 Revox and Tandberg the parts are completely available. Not so with = most of the=20 old Naks... unfortunately.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C3CF05.D36C92C0-- -------------- next part -------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From 75541.100 at compuserve.com Wed Dec 31 19:35:42 2003 From: 75541.100 at compuserve.com (Compudude) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 13:35:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] cr-7a EQ correction Message-ID: <200312311335_MC3-1-6346-AD97@compuserve.com> Ron/Scott, Thanks for the reply, Scott has gathered very valuable information in his web-site. My impression was also that there was a "mistake" in the EQ circuit of the early production cr7's. I have a bunch of decks in use at home (time-sharing helps reducing wear and tear), naks and other. Therefore I am still interested to do the EQ modification, but without all these calibration tapes, there is probably no way doing the adjustments. The cr7 I have is cosmetically not in a very good shape to consider sending it for calibration. We'll see.. Thanks and a happy/healthy 2004! _Fuad > The EQ mod modifies recording equalization only. It has *nothing* to do with PB. Anyone that only plays back does not need it. The mod is necessary because of mistakes Nakamichi made in design of the REC equalization circuit. Without it, the CR-7 audibly rolls off at the high end and sounds a bit on the mushy side. I recommend it to anyone that has a quality sound system. The mod consists of adding and/or replacing a dozen or so components (resistors and capacitors) in the REC amplifier. Since the PCB was not designed to accommodate the new circuit exactly, it is a bit more difficult to do than a simple, direct replacement of parts. IIRC, it took me about a couple of hours to do. I used PP caps (which were too large and exacerbated the complexity of the job, but are the best caps, sonically) and 1% metal film resistors. The mod made an immediate audible improvement. The mod should be followed with a complete realignment of the equalization. In my case, Stephen Sank did a complete realignment for me (he haas all the cassettes and gauges). The net result (mod plus realignment) was an audible sonic improvement. -- Ron Scott Johnson wrote: > You don't have to upgrade the EQ. If you are playing > the tapes back on the CR-7 or on another Nak than > leave it alone. You only need to upgrade the EQ if > you are playing the tapes back on a non-Nak and don't > like having to turn up the treble to the 1-2 o'clock > position. > > For an explanation on why go to this web page I > created and scroll down to IEC1 & IEC1 and further > down to MR-1B and equalization differences. The later > written by myself. > http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html > > Scott J. > aka p9019 > > --- Compudude <75541.100 at compuserve.com> wrote: > >>Happy new year to you all, >> >>I was searching the naktalk archives about the >>equalizer modification >>required on older cr-7's. I have found out that >>models with serial no less >>than A130-08677 have to be fixed, but I could not >>find anything about what >>exactly needs to be done. I have the schematic of >>the cr-7 amplifier >>section, which I downloaded couple years ago from >>the service pages of old >>naks.com ftp site. Can anyone please explain what is >>wrong in the EQ >>circuit? Are the component values wrong or the PCB >>has to be corrected? >> >>I hope the new naks.com site will have the service >>section restored.. >> >>Thanks, >>_Fuad >> >> < From copytec at coqui.net Wed Dec 31 22:03:46 2003 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlitos Jr.) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 15:03:46 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Service manuals References: Message-ID: <000b01c3cfe1$96205b40$90773242@coqui.net> Thanks and happy new year ! Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "neil lipes" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Service manuals > Carlos: > > It is as follows: > > Moscode at att.net > > Hope this helps > > Neil > > > >From: "Carlitos Jr." > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Service manuals > >Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 10:49:45 -0600 > > > >Hi Neil: > > > >Do you have his number or e.mail, please ? > > > >Carlos > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "neil lipes" > >To: > >Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 6:07 PM > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Service manuals > > > > > > > Bruno: > > > > > > George and I go back years...when he was in NYC... > > > > > > He took my Audio Research SP-15 pre-amp and made it into a SUPER > > > AMP...changed all the caps, and some other mods....the sound improvement > >was > > > like two different pieces...I would put this amp up against anything ARC > >now > > > makes...regardless of price... You should make it your business to just > >drop > > > in and introduce yourself...he really is a beautiful human being! > > > > > > Neil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Bruno Vasil > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Service manuals > > > >Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 18:12:49 -0500 > > > > > > > >I have my local tech do all my work but thanks for tip..just in case.. > > > >Holyoke is not that far away.. > > > > > > > >I thought George Kaye was based in New York !!!! I just did a quick > >search > > > >and found he is in Holyoke!! George Kaye Audio Labs on Sargeant > >Street.. > > > >good to know.. > > > > > > > >He's got a Mac MR-67 tuner for sale at $300.00..I may call him about > >that.. > > > > > > > >Have you had work done by him and are you in Massachusetts or nearby?? > > > > > > > >-Bruno, in Arlington, Mass. 92 miles east of Holyoke, Mass. > > > > > > > >******************************************************* > > > >On Dec 28, 2003, at 5:42 PM, neil lipes wrote: > > > > > > > >>Bruno: > > > >> > > > >>If you ever need high end audio repair on any of your toys..contact > >Mr. > > > >>Moscode (George Kaye) in Holyoke, Mass. A great guy..and an > >electronics > > > >>genius! > > > >> > > > >>Neil > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > >Maintain your account here: > >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Worried about inbox overload? 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I sold my 3 B-215's and kept the B-710 MK 2. As a matter of fact; I'm reducing all my inventory. At the end, as I said before, it doesn't worth much as it is getting more difficult keeping all these machines running properly. Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: Nelson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 12:50 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] - CR-7s Yup, you understand me well! :o) However, I want to keep that ZX9 going for as long as possible ... I don't understand how TVDH's modification works on these decks but it sure makes this one sound good, better than my CR7 and the ReVox (for the short while it was working...I think I'm going to have to right it off as a bad job and buy another...) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Carlitos Jr. Sent: 30 December 2003 16:46 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] - CR-7s Ha,ha, ha ! I understand Gra'. 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URL: From copytec at coqui.net Wed Dec 31 22:07:02 2003 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlitos Jr.) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 15:07:02 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] - CR-7s References: <000101c3cf05$d36c92c0$b8ac4e51@oemcomputer> <01b601c3cf06$21d868d0$4b116343@johnnyrotten> Message-ID: <003101c3cfe2$09f33c40$90773242@coqui.net> A new technician ... Ha ! Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: John M. Tooley To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 12:52 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] - CR-7s Gra' What do you need for your B 215? John T. ----- Original Message ----- From: Nelson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 1:50 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] - CR-7s Yup, you understand me well! :o) However, I want to keep that ZX9 going for as long as possible ... I don't understand how TVDH's modification works on these decks but it sure makes this one sound good, better than my CR7 and the ReVox (for the short while it was working...I think I'm going to have to right it off as a bad job and buy another...) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Carlitos Jr. Sent: 30 December 2003 16:46 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] - CR-7s Ha,ha, ha ! I understand Gra'. At least with Revox and Tandberg the parts are completely available. Not so with most of the old Naks... unfortunately. 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URL: From copytec at coqui.net Wed Dec 31 22:07:52 2003 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlitos Jr.) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 15:07:52 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Service manuals References: Message-ID: <003a01c3cfe2$27cfe380$90773242@coqui.net> Oh, no problem, I know Jeff long ago ... Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "neil lipes" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 2:13 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Service manuals > Carlos: > > Wrong tech I think: The one I gave you is for high end amp service via > George Kaye. > > Contact : > > Jeff Galin > 860-529-3700 > Nakamichi Service Center in Weathersfield, Conn. > > > >From: "neil lipes" > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Service manuals > >Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 13:04:16 -0500 > > > >Carlos: > > > >It is as follows: > > > >Moscode at att.net > > > >Hope this helps > > > >Neil > > > > > >>From: "Carlitos Jr." > >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Service manuals > >>Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 10:49:45 -0600 > >> > >>Hi Neil: > >> > >>Do you have his number or e.mail, please ? > >> > >>Carlos > >> > >>----- Original Message ----- > >>From: "neil lipes" > >>To: > >>Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 6:07 PM > >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Service manuals > >> > >> > >> > Bruno: > >> > > >> > George and I go back years...when he was in NYC... > >> > > >> > He took my Audio Research SP-15 pre-amp and made it into a SUPER > >> > AMP...changed all the caps, and some other mods....the sound > >>improvement > >>was > >> > like two different pieces...I would put this amp up against anything > >>ARC > >>now > >> > makes...regardless of price... You should make it your business to just > >>drop > >> > in and introduce yourself...he really is a beautiful human being! > >> > > >> > Neil > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >From: Bruno Vasil > >> > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >> > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >> > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Service manuals > >> > >Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 18:12:49 -0500 > >> > > > >> > >I have my local tech do all my work but thanks for tip..just in case.. > >> > >Holyoke is not that far away.. > >> > > > >> > >I thought George Kaye was based in New York !!!! I just did a quick > >>search > >> > >and found he is in Holyoke!! George Kaye Audio Labs on Sargeant > >>Street.. > >> > >good to know.. > >> > > > >> > >He's got a Mac MR-67 tuner for sale at $300.00..I may call him about > >>that.. > >> > > > >> > >Have you had work done by him and are you in Massachusetts or nearby?? > >> > > > >> > >-Bruno, in Arlington, Mass. 92 miles east of Holyoke, Mass. > >> > > > >> > >******************************************************* > >> > >On Dec 28, 2003, at 5:42 PM, neil lipes wrote: > >> > > > >> > >>Bruno: > >> > >> > >> > >>If you ever need high end audio repair on any of your toys..contact > >>Mr. > >> > >>Moscode (George Kaye) in Holyoke, Mass. A great guy..and an > >>electronics > >> > >>genius! > >> > >> > >> > >>Neil > >> > > > >> > > >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >> > > >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> > >Maintain your account here: > >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > > >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > > >> > _________________________________________________________________ > >> > Worried about inbox overload? Get MSN Extra Storage now! > >> > http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es > >> > > >> > > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >> > > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> > Maintain your account here: > >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > > >> > >> > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Get reliable dial-up Internet access now with our limited-time introductory > >offer. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > _________________________________________________________________ > Make your home warm and cozy this winter with tips from MSN House & Home. > http://special.msn.com/home/warmhome.armx > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From 75541.100 at compuserve.com Wed Dec 31 20:03:21 2003 From: 75541.100 at compuserve.com (Compudude) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 14:03:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OMS7E CD Player Message-ID: <200312311403_MC3-1-6342-D177@compuserve.com> The guy I bought if from (he makes his living on ebay, buying from local auctions and selling them on ebay) said that people are buying the oms7 for its mechanics. Apparently some people are using it as CD-transport only, connecting it to an external DAC. There are no digital outputs on oms7, I don't know how they are doing this. One has to have the schematics to find the s/pdif output. _Fuad Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com >From: "neil lipes" Precedence: list Subject: RE: [naktalk] OMS7E CD Player Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 20:12:36 -0500 To: naktalk at naks.com Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Message: 2 Had one ..dumped it for a Sony ES...much better >From: "Norman van Wijnen" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: [naktalk] OMS7E CD Player >Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 22:27:51 +0100 > >Hi naktalkers, > >how does a OMS7 CD Player compare to the new cd players (from another >brand) on the market ? Is it still worth to buy this piece of art ? > >Regards > >Norman< From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Dec 31 20:21:21 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 19:21:21 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] - CR-7s In-Reply-To: <001e01c3cfe1$fd9caa80$90773242@coqui.net> Message-ID: <001001c3cfd3$463c1e60$9bc14c51@oemcomputer> Carlos Why'd you choose to keep the B-710 in favour of the B-215? (I'm not familiar with the B-710) G -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Carlitos Jr. Sent: 31 December 2003 21:07 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] - CR-7s I'm sorry for you my friend. I sold my 3 B-215's and kept the B-710 MK 2. As a matter of fact; I'm reducing all my inventory. At the end, as I said before, it doesn't worth much as it is getting more difficult keeping all these machines running properly. Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: Nelson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 12:50 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] - CR-7s Yup, you understand me well! :o) However, I want to keep that ZX9 going for as long as possible ... I don't understand how TVDH's modification works on these decks but it sure makes this one sound good, better than my CR7 and the ReVox (for the short while it was working...I think I'm going to have to right it off as a bad job and buy another...) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Carlitos Jr. Sent: 30 December 2003 16:46 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] - CR-7s Ha,ha, ha ! I understand Gra'. At least with Revox and Tandberg the parts are completely available. Not so with most of the old Naks... unfortunately. 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In-Reply-To: <001e01c3cfe1$fd9caa80$90773242@coqui.net> Message-ID: <001501c3cfd3$486da460$9bc14c51@oemcomputer> Happy New Year my Nak brothers ... which will come @ about 21:00 GMT for those of you in Moscow. (AS wife is Russian, we're having TWO New Year celebrations ... one @ 21:00 and the other @ 24:00 midnight GMT ... and we'll probably have a 3rd to welcome in the New Year a few days later when the OLD Russian New Year arrives, too ...) Gra' --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.556 / Virus Database: 348 - Release Date: 26/12/03 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Dec 31 20:24:36 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 19:24:36 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OMS7E CD Player In-Reply-To: <200312311403_MC3-1-6342-D177@compuserve.com> Message-ID: <001a01c3cfd3$ba42e0a0$9bc14c51@oemcomputer> Stephen Sank will probably know. (Where is he hiding these days? STEPHEN! we know you're lurking .... come out, come out where ever you are ...) > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Compudude > Sent: 31 December 2003 19:03 > To: naktalk > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OMS7E CD Player > > > The guy I bought if from (he makes his living on ebay, buying from local > auctions and selling them on ebay) said that people are buying > the oms7 for > its mechanics. Apparently some people are using it as CD-transport only, > connecting it to an external DAC. There are no digital outputs on oms7, I > don't know how they are doing this. One has to have the schematics to find > the s/pdif output. > > _Fuad > > > Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com > >From: "neil lipes" > Precedence: list > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OMS7E CD Player > Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 20:12:36 -0500 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Message: 2 > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.556 / Virus Database: 348 - Release Date: 26/12/03 From copytec at coqui.net Wed Dec 31 22:42:33 2003 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlitos Jr.) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 15:42:33 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] - CR-7s References: <001001c3cfd3$463c1e60$9bc14c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <002201c3cfe6$fff6d4e0$90773242@coqui.net> It's more classic and sounded so good. It is less common than the B-215. Anyway, the B 215 is a better model and newer. I guess, I love classics. Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: Nelson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 1:21 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] - CR-7s Carlos Why'd you choose to keep the B-710 in favour of the B-215? (I'm not familiar with the B-710) G -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Carlitos Jr. Sent: 31 December 2003 21:07 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] - CR-7s I'm sorry for you my friend. I sold my 3 B-215's and kept the B-710 MK 2. As a matter of fact; I'm reducing all my inventory. At the end, as I said before, it doesn't worth much as it is getting more difficult keeping all these machines running properly. Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: Nelson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 12:50 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] - CR-7s Yup, you understand me well! :o) However, I want to keep that ZX9 going for as long as possible ... I don't understand how TVDH's modification works on these decks but it sure makes this one sound good, better than my CR7 and the ReVox (for the short while it was working...I think I'm going to have to right it off as a bad job and buy another...) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Carlitos Jr. Sent: 30 December 2003 16:46 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] - CR-7s Ha,ha, ha ! I understand Gra'. At least with Revox and Tandberg the parts are completely available. Not so with most of the old Naks... unfortunately. 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URL: From thsinclair at localdial.com Wed Dec 31 20:38:34 2003 From: thsinclair at localdial.com (Sinclair Forrest) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 19:38:34 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OMS7E CD Player References: <200312311403_MC3-1-6342-D177@compuserve.com> Message-ID: <009a01c3cfd5$ae8dad10$198ee2c3@fredporter> There was an OMS7-II for sale on e-bay somewhere in the US some time back which had been modified to include a digital out (coax, I think). That's one thing I miss with my 7E-II! Sinclair ----- Original Message ----- From: "Compudude" <75541.100 at compuserve.com> To: "naktalk" Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 7:03 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OMS7E CD Player > The guy I bought if from (he makes his living on ebay, buying from local > auctions and selling them on ebay) said that people are buying the oms7 for > its mechanics. Apparently some people are using it as CD-transport only, > connecting it to an external DAC. There are no digital outputs on oms7, I > don't know how they are doing this. One has to have the schematics to find > the s/pdif output. > > _Fuad > > > Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com > >From: "neil lipes" > Precedence: list > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OMS7E CD Player > Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 20:12:36 -0500 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Message: 2 > > > Had one ..dumped it for a Sony ES...much better > > > >From: "Norman van Wijnen" > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > >Subject: [naktalk] OMS7E CD Player > >Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 22:27:51 +0100 > > > >Hi naktalkers, > > > >how does a OMS7 CD Player compare to the new cd players (from another > >brand) on the market ? Is it still worth to buy this piece of art ? > > > >Regards > > > >Norman< > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From thsinclair at localdial.com Wed Dec 31 20:49:05 2003 From: thsinclair at localdial.com (Sinclair Forrest) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 19:49:05 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OMS7E CD Player References: <000001c3cf29$c1ffa030$0100000a@amd1333> Message-ID: <00bb01c3cfd7$26265330$198ee2c3@fredporter> NachrichtI have an OMS7E-II which I picked up in mint condition for not a lot of money. The build quality is second to none and the sound quality excellent, with a decent mid-range (something that many CD players seem to lack). The only caveat is that if the laser (a Sony item) on a Mk II (5 or 7) goes, it is apparently a bugger to find a replacement. The Mk I's are easier to get, but don't fit the II's. Sinclair ----- Original Message ----- From: Sven Schultz To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 11:07 PM Subject: AW: [naktalk] OMS7E CD Player Hi Norman - I am owner of both OMS7E II and OMS5EII - have compared it with a lot of High End Players, e.g. Marantz CD17MK2 KLE an other high-bitted ones - T+A CD1220, Denon, Accuphase DPA77, Burmester CD001, Reimyo and Audiomeca Obsession - The mechanical stability wasn`t as good as the newer ones (slow reading of the index, problems with CD/R's) - but the sound is exorbitant, non digital, neutral , no sharpness - and will be beaten only by tube preamped CD players and those above 2.500 EUR. The Tuning trick inside both versions is a "puck" Stabilizer, which is placed on the CD and centered or fixed (?) magneticaly the CD. The analog section is out of discussion, high ended. Some of the older OMS Players have display malfunctions, or can't position their picup correctly - often a question of dust and smoke polluting the mechanic or laser optical pickup. The Versions E-II have a slightly better laser diode, so they are able to read most of the CD/R's, so propanbly think about getting the tuned version's ! Difference between 5E and OMS7E is the Remote Control Unit & the programmable playback section, the discplayer is the same. Prices in Ebay differ from 250 - 500 EURO in Germany - when a remote was attached within the OMS7EII they will be sometimes above 600 EURO. My Chain is a NAK CA7E, CR7E, PA7E, OMS7E-II. OMS5E-II, Cables from Nordost (Blue Heaven) Cardsa (Quadlink 5C) cd to preamp; Transmission Line Speakers Visaton / Focal selfmade. Hope to be helpful for your decision - I think the're both ok, when in mint condition, best regards and a happy new year from germany (old Europe....) Sven -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Im Auftrag von Norman van Wijnen Gesendet: Dienstag, 30. Dezember 2003 22:28 An: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Betreff: [naktalk] OMS7E CD Player Hi naktalkers, how does a OMS7 CD Player compare to the new cd players (from another brand) on the market ? Is it still worth to buy this piece of art ? Regards Norman ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmtooley at ce.net Wed Dec 31 21:59:26 2003 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 15:59:26 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] - CR-7s References: <001001c3cfd3$463c1e60$9bc14c51@oemcomputer> <002201c3cfe6$fff6d4e0$90773242@coqui.net> Message-ID: <003801c3cfe0$fa64a670$885aba8c@johnnyrotten> It's a better looking model than the B 215. Gra., it looks more like an Aston Martin than say an MGB-GT. Carlos is correct, a classic look compared to a pre-digital look. ;-) John T. ----- Original Message ----- From: Carlitos Jr. To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 4:42 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] - CR-7s It's more classic and sounded so good. It is less common than the B-215. Anyway, the B 215 is a better model and newer. I guess, I love classics. Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: Nelson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 1:21 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] - CR-7s Carlos Why'd you choose to keep the B-710 in favour of the B-215? (I'm not familiar with the B-710) G -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Carlitos Jr. Sent: 31 December 2003 21:07 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] - CR-7s I'm sorry for you my friend. I sold my 3 B-215's and kept the B-710 MK 2. As a matter of fact; I'm reducing all my inventory. At the end, as I said before, it doesn't worth much as it is getting more difficult keeping all these machines running properly. Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: Nelson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 12:50 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] - CR-7s Yup, you understand me well! :o) However, I want to keep that ZX9 going for as long as possible ... I don't understand how TVDH's modification works on these decks but it sure makes this one sound good, better than my CR7 and the ReVox (for the short while it was working...I think I'm going to have to right it off as a bad job and buy another...) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Carlitos Jr. Sent: 30 December 2003 16:46 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] - CR-7s Ha,ha, ha ! I understand Gra'. At least with Revox and Tandberg the parts are completely available. Not so with most of the old Naks... unfortunately. 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URL: From neillipes628 at hotmail.com Wed Dec 31 22:28:52 2003 From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 16:28:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ???? Message-ID: Nelson: Since three of my grandparents were born in Odessa..plenty of "ruski" blood flows in my veins! Neil >From: "Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: [naktalk] ???? >Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 19:21:25 -0000 > >Happy New Year my Nak brothers ... which will come @ about 21:00 GMT for >those of you in Moscow. (AS wife is Russian, we're having TWO New Year >celebrations ... one @ 21:00 and the other @ 24:00 midnight GMT ... and >we'll probably have a 3rd to welcome in the New Year a few days later when >the OLD Russian New Year arrives, too ...) > >Gra' >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.556 / Virus Database: 348 - Release Date: 26/12/03 >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Have fun customizing MSN Messenger � learn how here! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_customize From sandorpistike at hotmail.com Wed Dec 31 23:07:56 2003 From: sandorpistike at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?S=E1ndor_Istv=E1n?=) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 23:07:56 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ???? References: Message-ID: Hello Neil, you are an incredibly international-originated person. I am sorry if I am indiscrete, may I know if you speak either Hungarian or Russian? (Really not to interrogate you, I would be simply very happy if you have any knowledge of these "exotic" languages.) And for all the Nakkers: I don't know if in English is it common to abbreviate Happy New Year? But in Hungarian it is, the complete sentence is Boldog Új Évet Kívánok, e.g. BÚÉK to you all! István (Only 50 minutes before midnight here.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "neil lipes" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 10:28 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] ???? > Nelson: > > Since three of my grandparents were born in Odessa..plenty of "ruski" blood > flows in my veins! > > Neil > > > >From: "Nelson" > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > >Subject: [naktalk] ???? > >Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 19:21:25 -0000 > > > >Happy New Year my Nak brothers ... which will come @ about 21:00 GMT for > >those of you in Moscow. (AS wife is Russian, we're having TWO New Year > >celebrations ... one @ 21:00 and the other @ 24:00 midnight GMT ... and > >we'll probably have a 3rd to welcome in the New Year a few days later when > >the OLD Russian New Year arrives, too ...) > > > >Gra' > >--- > >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >Version: 6.0.556 / Virus Database: 348 - Release Date: 26/12/03 > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > _________________________________________________________________ > Have fun customizing MSN Messenger — learn how here! > http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_customize > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2003\2003-2.txt ************************************************************************ From n.van.wijnen at home.nl Sat Feb 1 02:33:43 2003 From: n.van.wijnen at home.nl (norman van wijnen) Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 02:33:43 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Any manual scanning tips out there? References: <20030130175935.B899C11496D@webmail.vsnl.com> <01c001c2c88c$98a545e0$e405a8c0@relex.ru> Message-ID: <006001c2c991$f52886f0$0400a7c0@CC132114B> Hi Pavel, well i found the size of the scans not so important to be honest. for me the quality of it counts. i think that most people has fast internet (for downloading) at your home or at work or friends. to scan some page's other then normal (because of the pictures ) is quite a lot of work because service manuals has many (many) pages. so i agree with you, the scan's can be much smaller but not with the same quality. greetings Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pavel V. Pasechnik" To: Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 7:22 Subject: Re: [naktalk] Any manual scanning tips out there? > Hi! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > ... > > I would rate Norman' scanning and converting the service manual as the > best work on our Naks.com ftp manuals. I found grey scale 300 DPI scan > is minmal for a good clean scan. But the size is quite big. Norman > > For example, I scanning 700TT SM with 300dpi resolution. Some pictures > with 600dpi grey scale. > And recognition scans with ABBYY FineReader. Now (111 pages yet) it had > size for about 5M with text and pictures. > > Regards, > Pavel. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sat Feb 1 09:56:17 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 09:56:17 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Any manual scanning tips out there? References: <20030130175935.B899C11496D@webmail.vsnl.com> <01c001c2c88c$98a545e0$e405a8c0@relex.ru> <006001c2c991$f52886f0$0400a7c0@CC132114B> Message-ID: <3E3B8BB1.B8ADA5BD@xs4all.nl> Hi Pavel, That was also my problem on the 700II manual... What i did is apply a combination of filters in photoshop: 1) Filter/Noise/Despeckle, to remove the dust/grain from the image that makes the files so big (has to do with the file compression) 2) Image/Adjustments/Posterize, this reduces the amount of greyscale colors to a value you supply, just play with this value until you have an image is still good looking. Then put the procedure in an 'action' for faster processing of all the images! Good luck, Wouter norman van wijnen wrote: > Hi Pavel, > > well i found the size of the scans not so important to be honest. > for me the quality of it counts. > i think that most people has fast internet (for downloading) at your home or > at work or friends. > to scan some page's other then normal (because of the pictures ) is quite a > lot of work because service manuals has many (many) pages. > so i agree with you, the scan's can be much smaller but not with the same > quality. > > greetings > > Norman > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pavel V. Pasechnik" > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 7:22 > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Any manual scanning tips out there? > > > Hi! > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > ... > > > I would rate Norman' scanning and converting the service manual as the > > best work on our Naks.com ftp manuals. I found grey scale 300 DPI scan > > is minmal for a good clean scan. But the size is quite big. Norman > > > > For example, I scanning 700TT SM with 300dpi resolution. Some pictures > > with 600dpi grey scale. > > And recognition scans with ABBYY FineReader. Now (111 pages yet) it had > > size for about 5M with text and pictures. > > > > Regards, > > Pavel. > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From croquetgod at yahoo.com Sat Feb 1 10:12:40 2003 From: croquetgod at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jens-M.=20Arndt?=) Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 10:12:40 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] A view questions from a newbee Message-ID: <20030201091240.32540.qmail@web13504.mail.yahoo.com> hello there! I intend to buy a NAK for "ordinary" use (recording tapes and listening of let's say about 10 hours a week, i.e. not as a collector's item). However since this should be a "NAK for a lifetime" am not looking for one of the NAK "entry" models. 1. which NAK to buy? Since the prices for the famous "dragon" and "9 1/2 weeks" 505 are sky high at least here in germany I believe there should be NAKs around with a better "money for value" rating. Any recommendations? 2. 980 ZX I might have the possibility to buy a well maintained 980 ZX at around 400 euro (abt 430 usd). According to the naks.com price list this seems to be a fair evaluation. Is there any special "problem" with the 980 ZX I should be aware of? 3. maintenance & repair is there any repairshop in germany or at least europe which can be recommended? Thanks for your advice Jens Hamburg/St. Pauli p.s.: naks.com is really a fantastic website! 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) --------------------------------- Gesendet von http://mail.yahoo.de. Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei http://premiummail.yahoo.de. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Feb 1 10:53:12 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 09:53:12 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] A view questions from a newbee In-Reply-To: <20030201091240.32540.qmail@web13504.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001801c2c9d7$bbc819c0$9fbe193e@oemcomputer> My recommendation would be to look for any of the better Nak's - ZXL's CR7, CR5, ZX series, etc - but cast your net far and wide. One sometimes find really nice examples of good Naks at below market value for sale in far flung places. Shipping costs (to the UK at least) vary considerably, depending on which country you buy them from. Costs within Europe tend to be best but I have also found some areas much further away from the UK than the USA are much cheaper than from the US, Oz and New Zealand for example. Graham -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jens-M. Arndt Sent: 01 February 2003 09:13 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] A view questions from a newbee hello there! I intend to buy a NAK for "ordinary" use (recording tapes and listening of let's say about 10 hours a week, i.e. not as a collector's item). However since this should be a "NAK for a lifetime" am not looking for one of the NAK "entry" models. 1. which NAK to buy? Since the prices for the famous "dragon" and "9 1/2 weeks" 505 are sky high at least here in germany I believe there should be NAKs around with a better "money for value" rating. Any recommendations? 2. 980 ZX I might have the possibility to buy a well maintained 980 ZX at around 400 euro (abt 430 usd). According to the naks.com price list this seems to be a fair evaluation. Is there any special "problem" with the 980 ZX I should be aware of? 3. maintenance & repair is there any repairshop in germany or at least europe which can be recommended? Thanks for your advice Jens Hamburg/St. Pauli p.s.: naks.com is really a fantastic website! 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Gesendet von http://mail.yahoo.de. Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei http://premiummail.yahoo.de. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Feb 1 13:01:38 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 12:01:38 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Jens In-Reply-To: <20030201091240.32540.qmail@web13504.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001c2c9e9$ad76c440$dfa7193e@oemcomputer> Hi I noticed you posted follow-up message but I can;t open it without my Outlook crashing! Would you post it again, please, or send direct to me? Thanks Graham -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jens-M. Arndt Sent: 01 February 2003 09:13 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] A view questions from a newbee hello there! I intend to buy a NAK for "ordinary" use (recording tapes and listening of let's say about 10 hours a week, i.e. not as a collector's item). However since this should be a "NAK for a lifetime" am not looking for one of the NAK "entry" models. 1. which NAK to buy? Since the prices for the famous "dragon" and "9 1/2 weeks" 505 are sky high at least here in germany I believe there should be NAKs around with a better "money for value" rating. Any recommendations? 2. 980 ZX I might have the possibility to buy a well maintained 980 ZX at around 400 euro (abt 430 usd). According to the naks.com price list this seems to be a fair evaluation. Is there any special "problem" with the 980 ZX I should be aware of? 3. maintenance & repair is there any repairshop in germany or at least europe which can be recommended? Thanks for your advice Jens Hamburg/St. Pauli p.s.: naks.com is really a fantastic website! 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Gesendet von http://mail.yahoo.de. 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Eddy From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Sat Feb 1 19:03:26 2003 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 19:03:26 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Scanning tips In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030201190150.00ac2bb0@box.tin.it> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From m.raven at chello.nl Sat Feb 1 19:26:48 2003 From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits) Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 19:26:48 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Scanning tips References: Message-ID: <000f01c2ca1f$7e540e30$9e3cbbd4@raveneql1a1eu0> ----- Original Message ----- From: "POLLET Eddy" To: Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 4:12 PM Subject: [naktalk] Scanning tips > Hi all, > > to abtain the best results for scanning text and technical pictures, be sure > to choose "line art" if your scanning program allows this . That way, the > program will know that it has to look for continuous lines instead of > separate dots . A lot of original Nak service manuals have schematic diagrams in B/W and blue voltage value measuring points. I'm scanning the original manual right now. What do the majority of Naktalk wanted, blue values in the original color or a much smaller pdf document completely in B/W? Maurits (in a snowy and slippery part of the North of Holland) From sir_stewart at hotmail.com Sat Feb 1 20:26:21 2003 From: sir_stewart at hotmail.com (mick s) Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 19:26:21 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] crash of space shuttle Challenge Message-ID: G'day fellow Naktalkers, All of us Naktalkers down-under in Oz wish to express our sympathy with the American (and Italian) Naktalkers in regard to the crash of the space shuttle Challenge on approach to Dallas /Fort Worth. A very sad for science and mankind. Mick S. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From m.raven at chello.nl Sun Feb 2 01:27:02 2003 From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits) Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 01:27:02 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] crash of space shuttle Challenge References: Message-ID: <001f01c2ca51$ce57af90$9e3cbbd4@raveneql1a1eu0> ----- Original Message ----- From: "mick s" To: Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 8:26 PM Subject: [naktalk] crash of space shuttle Challenge > > > G'day fellow Naktalkers, > > All of us Naktalkers down-under in Oz wish to express our sympathy with the > American (and Italian) Naktalkers in regard to the crash of the space > shuttle Challenge on approach to Dallas /Fort Worth. > > A very sad for science and mankind. I agree. But as a critical point of view I never want to sit on top of a high tec firework arrow. Do you? Maurits From g_valkov at hotmail.com Sun Feb 2 02:17:46 2003 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 03:17:46 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL in UK for 695 GBP Message-ID: In case anyone is interested : http://www.walrus.co.uk/sechand/sechand.htm George _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Sun Feb 2 03:10:49 2003 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 03:10:49 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] A view questions from a newbee In-Reply-To: <001801c2c9d7$bbc819c0$9fbe193e@oemcomputer> References: <20030201091240.32540.qmail@web13504.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030202030906.00ac41a0@box.tin.it> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Feb 2 03:32:30 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 21:32:30 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] crash of space shuttle Challenge References: Message-ID: <3E3C833E.FA3F1D75@rcn.com> mick s wrote: > G'day fellow Naktalkers, > > All of us Naktalkers down-under in Oz wish to express our sympathy with the > American (and Italian) Naktalkers in regard to the crash of the space > shuttle Challenge on approach to Dallas /Fort Worth. > > A very sad for science and mankind. > > Mick S. I would add to that my sympathy to Col. Ilan Rimon's family and friends in Israel and The States. All seven victims knew how dangerous their mission was, yet chose to participate. My hat off to them all. -- Ron From n.van.wijnen at home.nl Sun Feb 2 10:12:11 2003 From: n.van.wijnen at home.nl (norman van wijnen) Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 10:12:11 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Scanning tips References: <000f01c2ca1f$7e540e30$9e3cbbd4@raveneql1a1eu0> Message-ID: <003b01c2ca9b$2ba042e0$0400a7c0@CC132114B> Hi Maurits, i think i will go for the color version but everybody thinks different about this issue i guess. maybe we can investigate how many naktalkers has low download capacity? Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maurits" To: Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 7:26 Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scanning tips > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "POLLET Eddy" > To: > Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 4:12 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Scanning tips > > > > Hi all, > > > > to abtain the best results for scanning text and technical pictures, be > sure > > to choose "line art" if your scanning program allows this . That way, the > > program will know that it has to look for continuous lines instead of > > separate dots . > > > A lot of original Nak service manuals have schematic diagrams in B/W and > blue voltage value measuring points. > I'm scanning the original manual right now. What do the majority of Naktalk > wanted, blue values in the original color or a much smaller pdf document > completely in B/W? > > > > Maurits (in a snowy and slippery part of the North of Holland) > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Feb 2 12:45:43 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 06:45:43 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Scanning tips References: <000f01c2ca1f$7e540e30$9e3cbbd4@raveneql1a1eu0> Message-ID: <3E3D04E7.B5E115B9@rcn.com> Personally, I would scan text pages in B&W and schematics and/or PCB layouts in color. I would save every few pages in a separate file, each file less than 1MB. -- Ron Maurits wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "POLLET Eddy" > To: > Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 4:12 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Scanning tips > > > Hi all, > > > > to abtain the best results for scanning text and technical pictures, be > sure > > to choose "line art" if your scanning program allows this . That way, the > > program will know that it has to look for continuous lines instead of > > separate dots . > > A lot of original Nak service manuals have schematic diagrams in B/W and > blue voltage value measuring points. > I'm scanning the original manual right now. What do the majority of Naktalk > wanted, blue values in the original color or a much smaller pdf document > completely in B/W? > > Maurits (in a snowy and slippery part of the North of Holland) > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From inbox at r-grieco.net Sun Feb 2 14:50:14 2003 From: inbox at r-grieco.net (Raffaele Grieco) Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 14:50:14 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Manuals & ads Message-ID: <004801c2cac3$5e742a60$5c8bcbd5@rg> Hello everyone! I'm new to the list; I've been reading for a couple of months, and now I'd like to give my little contribution. I have a few manuals and brochures that I could put on the server: - "The Nakamichi live recording booklet" (illustration of the 3-mic Naka technique), already scanned; - 250 service manual, original, to scan; - 550 user manual, copy, to scan; - 2 English-language color brochures from '80s (one with the 100ZXL as top of line, the other with 680ZX), already scanned; - 2 Italian brochures, one with 1000ZXL TOL, the other with 1000II; to scan; - Dragon service manual, copy, to scan; I tried to contact Wouter, but maybe he is too busy; can anyone tell me how to send the scans? Thanx in advance, Raffaele From dbadner at earthlink.net Sun Feb 2 15:41:14 2003 From: dbadner at earthlink.net (dbadner at earthlink.net) Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 09:41:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] What's responsible for the improvement? Salim....(OT) Message-ID: <3612412.1044207348469.JavaMail.nobody@waldorf.psp.pas.earthlink.net> The Otofon is not a low compliance cartridge. I would describe it as medium copliance. A good arm for it would be a Rega or your 3009. The only high compliance moving coils that I'm aware of are Van Den Hul and many of the Denons, but even if the the compliance is a match the Dual is just not rigid enough for a moving coil which as a group, send more energy into the arm. The other probem with the Otofons is that every Otofon MC that I've heard was bright. This is ok in some systems but disater in others. What I'm trying to say is that don't let this one bad experience with MC cartridges sour you to all of them. They are a big varied group. I am willing to admit the benifits of MC for you are just not worth the down side. I sold high-end audio through the 80's and also was considered the best at setting up turntables at the store I worked for. I started as a turntable tech at Myer-Emco. I've set up more Duals than I can count and I currently own four of them. I find them very musical tables that can sound execlent but have had no luck using moving coils on them. While the Shure work wonderfully on Duals, they also can be breathaking on more expensive tables. I just picked up an Linn LP12 with a Grace 707 arm ($25.25 at a thrift store!) and the Shure is at the top of the list for this combination. While I like Moving Coils (I have owned a Talisman S and a BPS, I also like Denons quite a bit) I also like a good MM. I have owned Shure, Rega, Grado and Empire. Both can sound like music and with only a few exceptions the MM are a better value. Until they come up with the perfect cartrige we will have to choose which characteristics we like. For me it's like tasting fine wines, there are differences but the good ones all stand out in there own right. Dave -------Original Message------- From: Ron Sent: 01/31/03 10:27 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] What's responsible for the improvement? Salim....(OT) > > I totally agree. Shure high end high compliance cartridges do display their best in low mass arms. That makes them more suitable for the kind of TTs/arms I have used (Dual 701, SME 3009 and Revox B791). However, the Ortofon cartridge was not very heavy, nor was it very low compliance. Based on the spec, it should have performed well. So, yes, it was 'properly set up'. I also agree that 'Which you prefer will depend on your tastes [...] and the type of records you play'. I think this is a key point. In general, people that heard the MC cartridge did like it. It was only me, having extensively compared it to the MM cartridge, that found it less satisfactory. The music I listen to is mostly classical, with heavy weighting on vocal (opera, operettas and musical plays). I like 'open' sound, but without the ubiquitous exaggerated sibilance. Shure cartridges are easily better in those respect. -- Ron dbadner at earthlink.net wrote: > > There is a problem with your evaluation that would favor the Shure. The Dual 701 is a very good table but it has a very low-mass arm. The medium compliance Ortophon MC cartridges would be a missmatch and would not sound or track well in this combination. The 701 arm is also not rigid enough to handle the kind of energy that an MC cartridge throws back in the arm. It is a better match for a MM. It is not surprising to me that the Shure sounded better but it does not indicate how the Ortophon would sound if it were properly set up. > > I think Shure makes excellent cartriges and it can sound better than many MC cartridges but there are some great MC cartridges out there that certain aspects of their sound will exceed the Shure. Which you prefer will depend on you tastes, your system and the type of records you play. Moving coils require a much greater commitment to get them to sound their best but with both MC and MM cartridges, setup is critical. Put an older Shure on a heavy S-shaped arm and you'll wonder why anybody likes them. (The newer ones work on heavy arms.) > > Dave > > -------Original Message------- > From: Ron > Sent: 01/28/03 10:10 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] What's responsible for the improvement? Salim....(OT) > > > > > > The cartridges were auditioned in the exact same system. The > system was very familiar to me and I listened to the same LPs, > that I was also familiar with. 'Auditioned' is really the > wrong word... I *lived* with both cartridges for a while > (several months for the Ortofon, several years -- before and > after the Ortofon -- to the Shure). > > Both cartridges were installed in a Dual 701. I owned the TT > several years and put cartridges in it several times. I have > installed many cartridges in my life (easily, hundreds) and > can't believe I made a mistake exactly with that Ortofon. > > I believe there was nothing wrong with either the cartridge > or the installation. The dealer that sold it to me was also > a friend (well, kinda). He came over to listen to the > cartridge after I told him how unhappy I was and thought it > sounded great and 'musical'... Nonetheless, he agreed to take > it back (after several months of use) for full credit. (FWIW, > he also agreed that top of the line Shure cartridges sounded > excellent for a fraction of the cost of the competition). > > I have to stress again that I do not claim the Ortofon > sounded bad, or that MC cartridges are necessarily inferior. > All I am saying is, the sound quality of a cartridge depends > on many characteristics and MC vs. MM is just one factor of > many. Specific design and implementation are more important, > as is listener taste. > > -- Ron > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > Were these cartridges auditioned in the same system? A system that was > familiar to you? > > Were the cartridges and tone arms set up correctly? Even dealers are > guilty of poor set up > > at times. One has to be careful to take all of these factors into > consideration before > > judging cartridge performance. > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > In theory, MC cartridges should have an edge, because the > > > moving mass can be made much smaller than MM (3 turns of > > > thinner than human hair wire VS. a piece of metal). I > > > suspect that in practice, the difference in mass is not > > > as significant as many other characteristics: compliance, > > > total cartridge mass, freedom from resonances, etc., etc.. > > > > > > The specific Ortofon I mentioned before sounded good > > > enough, but the sound had a sense of strain, as if one was > > > listening from a distance or through a curtain. Shure > > > cartridges sound very 'open', as if one is listening from > > > 3rd row center in a concert. Sound of Stanton cartridges, > > > though not as good (this is for top of the line for both, > > > at the time), also had this open quality. I heard a Benz > > > cartridge, just once (have no idea what model it was), and > > > was seriously unimpressed... > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > From bigbear69 at netzero.net Mon Feb 3 01:09:31 2003 From: bigbear69 at netzero.net (bigbear69) Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 17:09:31 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] NakTalkers (In a global sense) Message-ID: <000001c2cb18$8cd4b8c0$95513542@compaq> Sorry Bleus for taking so long to get back to you. Like Mr. Sank, I've just been so busy lately. I really like your web site and also plan on doing some tape trading on Naktree. Here's my info: Name: Mark Exstedt Age: 43 Birthplace: Minnesota (USA) Present Residence: Phoenix, Arizona (USA) Present Naks owned: Dragon, ZX-7, two LX-5's, BX-2 From: "The BlueSwapper" To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 10:40 PM Sorry Bleus for taking so long for getting back to you. I just moved into my new house and been so busy with all the new projects. I also want to do some tape trading on Naktree. Anyway here's the info on me: > Dear NakTalk friends > I'm pleased with the refreshing recent return to Nak related topics, and I'm quite intrigued with the growing international mix of the membership. Being a geographer and cartographer during my early professional career (that was twenty years ago, I'm now an information systems manager involved with geographic information system & global positioning system technologies), I'd like to gather information from NakTalkers to create a spatial database of who you are, where you live, years you've collected Nak gear, decks you possess, et cetera. With such a database of information, I could then easily create a nice global map showing where everyone resides in relation to each other. Selected information could also be attributed to locations and names. And from that a digital colored map image could then be created shared between all participating NakTalkers. This might be a fair amount of work for me, but let's see if there is interest and usefulness for the membership. > > Haven't you occasionally wondered where someone who posted a message lives in the world? Well, a global location map might be a nice visual compliment to understanding where your NakTalk friends are emailing us world-wide. I'm curious if others have similar feelings about furthering global comradery and understanding. > > Interested in supporting and furthering my idea? I will wait for your replies, directly to me or via NakTalk. > > Best regards, > > K.J. Bleus From mdevera at compuserve.com Mon Feb 3 01:54:45 2003 From: mdevera at compuserve.com (Mike deVera) Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 16:54:45 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Pioneer Elite CT-91 Cassette In-Reply-To: <000001c2cb18$8cd4b8c0$95513542@compaq> Message-ID: <000601c2cb1e$d882bfa0$1e01000a@attbi.com> Any info is appreciated regarding the Pioneer CT-91. I do own a CR7 and CR4, but the bulk of my gear is Pioneer Elite, and would like to complement my collection. Please advise is this deck was the top line of the Elite series, since google or askjeeves, doesn't really turn up anything. I would appreciated a response as soon as any one can, since there is one on auction ending in seven days. From stan.targowski at attbi.com Mon Feb 3 02:22:42 2003 From: stan.targowski at attbi.com (Stan Targowski) Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 19:22:42 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Pioneer Elite CT-91 Cassette In-Reply-To: <000601c2cb1e$d882bfa0$1e01000a@attbi.com> Message-ID: Pioneer CT-91 was an excellent deck. A newer model CT-93 was a notch above it, HI-FI Choice, UK magazine, praised the CT-93 as something with NASA quality (timing of that quote seem awkward). CT-91 was quoted as superb recorder, with wonderful quality and precision. According to Audio annual directory from 1990, CT-91 was $950, W&F 0.022, FR=20-23, 24 pounds. The key difference between the two was CT-93 was Dolby S unit. The price in 1993 was around $1,200 for the CT-93. These do not come often on e-bay and command high price. Either model would do, but if you truly want to have the top of the line Elite to match the rest of the collection go for CT-93. As an aside, in Europe, there also was a CT-95 (aka CT-1100 in Japan), however, with a different look and feel than the CT-91/93. Some amazing specs of 10-30,000 Hz +/-3 metal tape response. Stan -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of Mike deVera Sent: Sun, February 02, 2003 6:55 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Pioneer Elite CT-91 Cassette Any info is appreciated regarding the Pioneer CT-91. I do own a CR7 and CR4, but the bulk of my gear is Pioneer Elite, and would like to complement my collection. Please advise is this deck was the top line of the Elite series, since google or askjeeves, doesn't really turn up anything. I would appreciated a response as soon as any one can, since there is one on auction ending in seven days. ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From mdevera at compuserve.com Mon Feb 3 05:29:21 2003 From: mdevera at compuserve.com (Mike deVera) Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 20:29:21 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Pioneer Elite CT-91 Cassette In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000a01c2cb3c$d369d580$1e01000a@attbi.com> Stan, many thanks for your input. I have a matching Elite PD-93 and F-93, that could complement another Elite mate. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stan Targowski Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 5:23 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Pioneer Elite CT-91 Cassette Pioneer CT-91 was an excellent deck. A newer model CT-93 was a notch above it, HI-FI Choice, UK magazine, praised the CT-93 as something with NASA quality (timing of that quote seem awkward). CT-91 was quoted as superb recorder, with wonderful quality and precision. According to Audio annual directory from 1990, CT-91 was $950, W&F 0.022, FR=20-23, 24 pounds. The key difference between the two was CT-93 was Dolby S unit. The price in 1993 was around $1,200 for the CT-93. These do not come often on e-bay and command high price. Either model would do, but if you truly want to have the top of the line Elite to match the rest of the collection go for CT-93. As an aside, in Europe, there also was a CT-95 (aka CT-1100 in Japan), however, with a different look and feel than the CT-91/93. Some amazing specs of 10-30,000 Hz +/-3 metal tape response. Stan -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of Mike deVera Sent: Sun, February 02, 2003 6:55 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Pioneer Elite CT-91 Cassette Any info is appreciated regarding the Pioneer CT-91. I do own a CR7 and CR4, but the bulk of my gear is Pioneer Elite, and would like to complement my collection. Please advise is this deck was the top line of the Elite series, since google or askjeeves, doesn't really turn up anything. I would appreciated a response as soon as any one can, since there is one on auction ending in seven days. ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From bigbear69 at netzero.net Mon Feb 3 07:04:00 2003 From: bigbear69 at netzero.net (bigbear69) Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 23:04:00 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Rolling Stones Concert Song List Message-ID: <000001c2cb4a$0d8a96c0$564e3542@compaq> The Rolling Stones were here this past week in Phoenix, Arizona. I am told that their concerts reflect playing a few songs from one of their many released albums. This concert had the most songs from the album 'Let it Bleed'. Here's the set list in order: Street Fighting Man Start Me Up Bitch Don't Stop On Down The Line Wild Horses Let It Bleed Live With Me Midnight Rambler Tumbling Dice Thru and Thru Before The make Me Run Sympathy For the Devil You Got Me Rocking Gimme Shelter Honky Tonk Women Satisfaction It's Only Rock and Roll Like a Rolling Stone Brown Sugar Jumpin' Jack Flash From amar152 at comcast.net Mon Feb 3 00:40:26 2003 From: amar152 at comcast.net (alan mar) Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 23:40:26 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] crash of space shuttle Challenger In-Reply-To: <3E183A4B.458D5F37@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: Guys- Actually, it was the Columbia that just crashed. The Challenger went down 17 years ago.... Alan From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Mon Feb 3 08:42:46 2003 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 23:42:46 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Stax UA-9 tonearm (OT) References: <3612412.1044207348469.JavaMail.nobody@waldorf.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3E3E1D76.6AFA5C44@earthlink.net> Thanks for the informative post, Dave. As long as we're discussing turntables and such, does anyone have first hand experience with the Stax UA-9 tonearm? It's a unipivot design with a carbon fiber arm tube and detachable headshell, which permits azimuth adjustment. It has side weights on each side of the pivot point and is supposedly the precursor to Pierre Lucerne's tonearm, which Bob Graham borrowed from in the design of his 1.5. Any information would be appreciated. Jim Volpatti dbadner at earthlink.net wrote: > The Otofon is not a low compliance cartridge. I would describe it as medium copliance. A good arm for it would be a Rega or your 3009. The only high compliance moving coils that I'm aware of are Van Den Hul and many of the Denons, but even if the the compliance is a match the Dual is just not rigid enough for a moving coil which as a group, send more energy into the arm. The other probem with the Otofons is that every Otofon MC that I've heard was bright. This is ok in some systems but disater in others. What I'm trying to say is that don't let this one bad experience with MC cartridges sour you to all of them. They are a big varied group. I am willing to admit the benifits of MC for you are just not worth the down side. > > I sold high-end audio through the 80's and also was considered the best at setting up turntables at the store I worked for. I started as a turntable tech at Myer-Emco. I've set up more Duals than I can count and I currently own four of them. I find them very musical tables that can sound execlent but have had no luck using moving coils on them. > > While the Shure work wonderfully on Duals, they also can be breathaking on more expensive tables. I just picked up an Linn LP12 with a Grace 707 arm ($25.25 at a thrift store!) and the Shure is at the top of the list for this combination. > > While I like Moving Coils (I have owned a Talisman S and a BPS, I also like Denons quite a bit) I also like a good MM. I have owned Shure, Rega, Grado and Empire. Both can sound like music and with only a few exceptions the MM are a better value. Until they come up with the perfect cartrige we will have to choose which characteristics we like. For me it's like tasting fine wines, there are differences but the good ones all stand out in there own right. > > Dave From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Feb 3 09:53:09 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (wheijke at xs4all.nl) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 09:53:09 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] Off topic postings Message-ID: <5173.62.72.223.42.1044262389.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Hi Everyone, I wish i didn't have to address this issue but i have to because the last few days i've seen (again) an increase in off-topic postings. In the past i know of several long time Naktalk members who have left the list or stayed quiet because of the amount of off-topic postings and long disccussions about these subjects What i never wanted to do was to start moderating the list or start acting as a list maintainer, but i think i have to say something about the subject. I would compare it to buying a Nak, you buy a Nak and not an Akai, Sony or Technics deck... So if one subscribes to this list they expect Nakamichi (cassette deck) related discussions, at least i would, and if not i would lose interest, something that had happened to me in the past. So i would urge everyone on this list to stick to the topic, Nakamichi cassette decks. Moderating the list is the easiest and also last thing i want to do! And if there is a need for a seperate more general audio discussion list i would be more then happy to facilitate such a list! I'm also an audio enthousiast and like turntables, cable discussions etc etc only not on this list. Happy Naktalking! Wouter From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Mon Feb 3 10:37:02 2003 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 01:37:02 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Off topic postings References: <5173.62.72.223.42.1044262389.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <3E3E383E.F250C191@earthlink.net> Wow, you're the best Wouter!! Our very own general audio discussion group?? I'm all for it if the regulars here are inclined to participate and if it's not too much work for you, Wouter. What do you guys say?? Jim Volpatti wheijke at xs4all.nl wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I wish i didn't have to address this issue but i have to because the last > few days i've seen (again) an increase in off-topic postings. > In the past i know of several long time Naktalk members who have left the > list or stayed quiet because of the amount of off-topic postings and long > disccussions about these subjects > What i never wanted to do was to start moderating the list or start acting > as a list maintainer, but i think i have to say something about the > subject. > > I would compare it to buying a Nak, you buy a Nak and not an Akai, Sony or > Technics deck... So if one subscribes to this list they expect Nakamichi > (cassette deck) related discussions, at least i would, and if not i would > lose interest, something that had happened to me in the past. > > So i would urge everyone on this list to stick to the topic, Nakamichi > cassette decks. Moderating the list is the easiest and also last thing i > want to do! > > And if there is a need for a seperate more general audio discussion list i > would be more then happy to facilitate such a list! I'm also an audio > enthousiast and like turntables, cable discussions etc etc only not on > this list. > > Happy Naktalking! > > Wouter > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From m.raven at chello.nl Mon Feb 3 12:08:18 2003 From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 12:08:18 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Off topic postings References: <5173.62.72.223.42.1044262389.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <3E3E383E.F250C191@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <003d01c2cb74$8e84ade0$9e3cbbd4@raveneql1a1eu0> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off topic postings > Wow, you're the best Wouter!! Our very own general audio discussion group?? I'm all for > it if the regulars here are inclined to participate and if it's not too much work for > you, Wouter. > > What do you guys say?? I'm 100% for a Nakking talkin' group only. No discussions about other brands, like ReVox und so weiter. Even WW3 is breaking out, just talking about our beloved Nakamichies. But if Wouter is wants a moderated area, it's fine. I want to manage the crowd as a 2nd officer in case Wouter planned to be on holiday or so ;-) Maurits From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Feb 3 12:27:13 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (wheijke at xs4all.nl) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 12:27:13 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] Off topic postings In-Reply-To: <3E3E383E.F250C191@earthlink.net> References: <5173.62.72.223.42.1044262389.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <3E3E383E.F250C191@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <23978.62.72.223.42.1044271633.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> 'audiotalk' ? It is not too much work, and i will even be joining myself, just want Naktalk to be 'clean' of off-topic threads. So please respond if you want such a list! Wouter > Wow, you're the best Wouter!! Our very own general audio discussion > group?? I'm all for > it if the regulars here are inclined to participate and if it's not too > much work for > you, Wouter. > > What do you guys say?? > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > wheijke at xs4all.nl wrote: > >> Hi Everyone, >> >> I wish i didn't have to address this issue but i have to because the >> last >> few days i've seen (again) an increase in off-topic postings. >> In the past i know of several long time Naktalk members who have left >> the >> list or stayed quiet because of the amount of off-topic postings and >> long >> disccussions about these subjects >> What i never wanted to do was to start moderating the list or start >> acting >> as a list maintainer, but i think i have to say something about the >> subject. >> >> I would compare it to buying a Nak, you buy a Nak and not an Akai, Sony >> or >> Technics deck... So if one subscribes to this list they expect Nakamichi >> (cassette deck) related discussions, at least i would, and if not i >> would >> lose interest, something that had happened to me in the past. >> >> So i would urge everyone on this list to stick to the topic, Nakamichi >> cassette decks. Moderating the list is the easiest and also last thing i >> want to do! >> >> And if there is a need for a seperate more general audio discussion list >> i >> would be more then happy to facilitate such a list! I'm also an audio >> enthousiast and like turntables, cable discussions etc etc only not on >> this list. >> >> Happy Naktalking! >> >> Wouter >> ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> To maintain your account please go here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > From khmerideth at anderson.edu Mon Feb 3 13:58:46 2003 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 07:58:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off topic postings Message-ID: Hello Wouter, the eternal masochist! If you are crazy enough ( ;-P ) to start another Listserv, I'm probably loony enough to at least "listen" in. Hate to lose the references to other Nak equipment, but, as you said, your original intention of the naks.com site was for Nakamichi Audio Cassette Decks. If you allow discussion of all Nak equipment, then some of the participants would very likely feel it unfair to not allow discussion of other manufacturer's equipment. Whatever you do, please don't overextend yourself on support of the additional Listserv! Best regards! Kent Central Indiana, U.S.A., where the "Wigwam" still stands! >>> wheijke at xs4all.nl 02/03/03 06:27AM >>> 'audiotalk' ? It is not too much work, and i will even be joining myself, just want Naktalk to be 'clean' of off-topic threads. So please respond if you want such a list! Wouter > Wow, you're the best Wouter!! Our very own general audio discussion > group?? I'm all for > it if the regulars here are inclined to participate and if it's not too > much work for > you, Wouter. > > What do you guys say?? > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > wheijke at xs4all.nl wrote: > >> Hi Everyone, >> >> I wish i didn't have to address this issue but i have to because the >> last >> few days i've seen (again) an increase in off-topic postings. >> In the past i know of several long time Naktalk members who have left >> the >> list or stayed quiet because of the amount of off-topic postings and >> long >> disccussions about these subjects >> What i never wanted to do was to start moderating the list or start >> acting >> as a list maintainer, but i think i have to say something about the >> subject. >> >> I would compare it to buying a Nak, you buy a Nak and not an Akai, Sony >> or >> Technics deck... So if one subscribes to this list they expect Nakamichi >> (cassette deck) related discussions, at least i would, and if not i >> would >> lose interest, something that had happened to me in the past. >> >> So i would urge everyone on this list to stick to the topic, Nakamichi >> cassette decks. Moderating the list is the easiest and also last thing i >> want to do! >> >> And if there is a need for a separate more general audio discussion list >> i >> would be more then happy to facilitate such a list! I'm also an audio >> enthousiast and like turntables, cable discussions etc etc only not on >> this list. >> >> Happy Naktalking! >> >> Wouter >> ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> To maintain your account please go here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tpfinn at btinternet.com Mon Feb 3 14:02:53 2003 From: Tpfinn at btinternet.com (Terence Finn) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 13:02:53 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Off topic postings References: <5173.62.72.223.42.1044262389.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <3E3E383E.F250C191@earthlink.net> <23978.62.72.223.42.1044271633.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <000f01c2cb84$942d17e0$d7208751@oemcomputer> Count me in Lurking here in the UK Set up and ran NAK, Yam and Maxell service Depts 76 to 82. The archive file is still full and the equipment cabinet has an interesting selection! Hope to get involved as time permits. regards Terry terry at affinityaudio.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off topic postings > > 'audiotalk' ? > > It is not too much work, and i will even be joining myself, just want > Naktalk to be 'clean' of off-topic threads. > > So please respond if you want such a list! > > Wouter > > > > Wow, you're the best Wouter!! Our very own general audio discussion > > group?? I'm all for > > it if the regulars here are inclined to participate and if it's not too > > much work for > > you, Wouter. > > > > What do you guys say?? > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > wheijke at xs4all.nl wrote: > > > >> Hi Everyone, > >> > >> I wish i didn't have to address this issue but i have to because the > >> last > >> few days i've seen (again) an increase in off-topic postings. > >> In the past i know of several long time Naktalk members who have left > >> the > >> list or stayed quiet because of the amount of off-topic postings and > >> long > >> disccussions about these subjects > >> What i never wanted to do was to start moderating the list or start > >> acting > >> as a list maintainer, but i think i have to say something about the > >> subject. > >> > >> I would compare it to buying a Nak, you buy a Nak and not an Akai, Sony > >> or > >> Technics deck... So if one subscribes to this list they expect Nakamichi > >> (cassette deck) related discussions, at least i would, and if not i > >> would > >> lose interest, something that had happened to me in the past. > >> > >> So i would urge everyone on this list to stick to the topic, Nakamichi > >> cassette decks. Moderating the list is the easiest and also last thing i > >> want to do! > >> > >> And if there is a need for a seperate more general audio discussion list > >> i > >> would be more then happy to facilitate such a list! I'm also an audio > >> enthousiast and like turntables, cable discussions etc etc only not on > >> this list. > >> > >> Happy Naktalking! > >> > >> Wouter > >> ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> To maintain your account please go here: > >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From g_valkov at hotmail.com Mon Feb 3 14:17:30 2003 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 15:17:30 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Off topic postings Message-ID: Count me in. George ----Original Message Follows---- From: wheijke at xs4all.nl Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off topic postings Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 12:27:13 +0100 (CET) 'audiotalk' ? It is not too much work, and i will even be joining myself, just want Naktalk to be 'clean' of off-topic threads. So please respond if you want such a list! Wouter _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Feb 3 14:46:32 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 08:46:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off topic postings References: <5173.62.72.223.42.1044262389.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <3E3E383E.F250C191@earthlink.net> <23978.62.72.223.42.1044271633.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <3E3E72B8.FB9992C6@rcn.com> I'm all for it. -- Ron wheijke at xs4all.nl wrote: > > 'audiotalk' ? > > It is not too much work, and i will even be joining myself, just want > Naktalk to be 'clean' of off-topic threads. > > So please respond if you want such a list! > > Wouter > > > Wow, you're the best Wouter!! Our very own general audio discussion > > group?? I'm all for > > it if the regulars here are inclined to participate and if it's not too > > much work for > > you, Wouter. > > > > What do you guys say?? > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > wheijke at xs4all.nl wrote: > > > >> Hi Everyone, > >> > >> I wish i didn't have to address this issue but i have to because the > >> last > >> few days i've seen (again) an increase in off-topic postings. > >> In the past i know of several long time Naktalk members who have left > >> the > >> list or stayed quiet because of the amount of off-topic postings and > >> long > >> disccussions about these subjects > >> What i never wanted to do was to start moderating the list or start > >> acting > >> as a list maintainer, but i think i have to say something about the > >> subject. > >> > >> I would compare it to buying a Nak, you buy a Nak and not an Akai, Sony > >> or > >> Technics deck... So if one subscribes to this list they expect Nakamichi > >> (cassette deck) related discussions, at least i would, and if not i > >> would > >> lose interest, something that had happened to me in the past. > >> > >> So i would urge everyone on this list to stick to the topic, Nakamichi > >> cassette decks. Moderating the list is the easiest and also last thing i > >> want to do! > >> > >> And if there is a need for a seperate more general audio discussion list > >> i > >> would be more then happy to facilitate such a list! I'm also an audio > >> enthousiast and like turntables, cable discussions etc etc only not on > >> this list. > >> > >> Happy Naktalking! > >> > >> Wouter > >> ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> To maintain your account please go here: > >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From m.raven at chello.nl Mon Feb 3 15:01:29 2003 From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 15:01:29 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Off topic postings References: <5173.62.72.223.42.1044262389.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <02ad01c2cb8c$bfea52a0$9e3cbbd4@raveneql1a1eu0> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 9:53 AM Subject: [naktalk] Off topic postings > Hi Everyone, > And if there is a need for a seperate more general audio discussion list i > would be more then happy to facilitate such a list! I'm also an audio > enthousiast and like turntables, cable discussions etc etc only not on > this list. Oke, count me in. > Happy Naktalking! > > Wouter You too. I'm still scanning the original LX-5 service manual, but it takes a lot of time. I hope you have received the LX series Dutch User Manual in pdf format in good condition. Bye, Maurits From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Feb 3 15:08:55 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (wheijke at xs4all.nl) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 15:08:55 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] Introducing: Audiotalk Message-ID: <6908.62.72.223.42.1044281335.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Ok, it's there, just follow the link, subscribe, and enjoy! http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/audiotalk Wouter From ztiller at hotmail.com Mon Feb 3 15:43:31 2003 From: ztiller at hotmail.com (Robert Zabokrtsky) Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 09:43:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off topic postings Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjkent at attbi.com Mon Feb 3 17:08:25 2003 From: rjkent at attbi.com (Robert Kent) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 08:08:25 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Audiotalk Message-ID: Wouter, Great idea.....I see you have already put Audiotalk into action, and I have already subscribed. Thanks for the effort! Robert J Kent San Francisco Bay Area 'audiotalk' ? It is not too much work, and i will even be joining myself, just want Naktalk to be 'clean' of off-topic threads. So please respond if you want such a list! Wouter From dbadner at earthlink.net Mon Feb 3 14:19:45 2003 From: dbadner at earthlink.net (dbadner at earthlink.net) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 08:19:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] Stax UA-9 tonearm (OT) Message-ID: <1947091.1044288849906.JavaMail.nobody@ernie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Interestingly enough a friend of mine has this Stax arm on a Denon table so I've been listening to it for years. It has sounded very good with a Denon 103D and a Sumiko BPS. As long as it's not too expensive, I would recommend it for both MM and MC cartridges. It might be troublesome (as most unipivots can be) on a sprung table, but many people still use then on their Linn/AR/Thorens etc. tables. Dave -------Original Message------- From: Jim Volpatti Sent: 02/03/03 02:42 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stax UA-9 tonearm (OT) > > Thanks for the informative post, Dave. As long as we're discussing turntables and such, does anyone have first hand experience with the Stax UA-9 tonearm? It's a unipivot design with a carbon fiber arm tube and detachable headshell, which permits azimuth adjustment. It has side weights on each side of the pivot point and is supposedly the precursor to Pierre Lucerne's tonearm, which Bob Graham borrowed from in the design of his 1.5. Any information would be appreciated. Jim Volpatti dbadner at earthlink.net wrote: > The Otofon is not a low compliance cartridge. I would describe it as medium copliance. A good arm for it would be a Rega or your 3009. The only high compliance moving coils that I'm aware of are Van Den Hul and many of the Denons, but even if the the compliance is a match the Dual is just not rigid enough for a moving coil which as a group, send more energy into the arm. The other probem with the Otofons is that every Otofon MC that I've heard was bright. This is ok in some systems but disater in others. What I'm trying to say is that don't let this one bad experience with MC cartridges sour you to all of them. They are a big varied group. I am willing to admit the benifits of MC for you are just not worth the down side. > > I sold high-end audio through the 80's and also was considered the best at setting up turntables at the store I worked for. I started as a turntable tech at Myer-Emco. I've set up more Duals than I can count and I currently own four of them. I find them very musical tables that can sound execlent but have had no luck using moving coils on them. > > While the Shure work wonderfully on Duals, they also can be breathaking on more expensive tables. I just picked up an Linn LP12 with a Grace 707 arm ($25.25 at a thrift store!) and the Shure is at the top of the list for this combination. > > While I like Moving Coils (I have owned a Talisman S and a BPS, I also like Denons quite a bit) I also like a good MM. I have owned Shure, Rega, Grado and Empire. Both can sound like music and with only a few exceptions the MM are a better value. Until they come up with the perfect cartrige we will have to choose which characteristics we like. For me it's like tasting fine wines, there are differences but the good ones all stand out in there own right. > > Dave ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > From harshad at ameritech.net Mon Feb 3 17:44:17 2003 From: harshad at ameritech.net (Harshad Khatri) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 10:44:17 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Add another NakHead to the list Message-ID: KJ, I'm sure I'm not the last one to request to be added to the database ....... Name: Harshad Khatri Home: Wilmette, IL Nak products currently owned: ZX-7 Nak products on the wish list: CR-7A, RX-505, PA-7 Amp Other fine (non-Nak) products currently owned: 70's Sansui Definition series: TU-9900, BA-2000, CA-2000 From bjgrady at pacbell.net Mon Feb 3 18:27:45 2003 From: bjgrady at pacbell.net (John) Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 09:27:45 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Pioneer Elite CT-91 Cassette In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001c01c2cba9$91180fe0$5900a8c0@SUPPORT.RENTANAPT.COM> I have a CT-43 which I always thought had pretty good sound. This unit had the Dolby S on it. Was this a lower model on the CT-93 line? I remember Stereophile mag had one of the decks from this line on their recommended component listing for a number of years. Cal John. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stan Targowski Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 5:23 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Pioneer Elite CT-91 Cassette Pioneer CT-91 was an excellent deck. A newer model CT-93 was a notch above it, HI-FI Choice, UK magazine, praised the CT-93 as something with NASA quality (timing of that quote seem awkward). CT-91 was quoted as superb recorder, with wonderful quality and precision. According to Audio annual directory from 1990, CT-91 was $950, W&F 0.022, FR=20-23, 24 pounds. The key difference between the two was CT-93 was Dolby S unit. The price in 1993 was around $1,200 for the CT-93. These do not come often on e-bay and command high price. Either model would do, but if you truly want to have the top of the line Elite to match the rest of the collection go for CT-93. As an aside, in Europe, there also was a CT-95 (aka CT-1100 in Japan), however, with a different look and feel than the CT-91/93. Some amazing specs of 10-30,000 Hz +/-3 metal tape response. Stan -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of Mike deVera Sent: Sun, February 02, 2003 6:55 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Pioneer Elite CT-91 Cassette Any info is appreciated regarding the Pioneer CT-91. I do own a CR7 and CR4, but the bulk of my gear is Pioneer Elite, and would like to complement my collection. Please advise is this deck was the top line of the Elite series, since google or askjeeves, doesn't really turn up anything. I would appreciated a response as soon as any one can, since there is one on auction ending in seven days. ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From thsinclair at localdial.com Mon Feb 3 19:41:18 2003 From: thsinclair at localdial.com (Sinclair Forrest) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 18:41:18 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Get a life References: <000601c2c8b8$2556fa30$5900a8c0@SUPPORT.RENTANAPT.COM> <03b501c2c910$b7656350$e405a8c0@relex.ru> <4306.62.72.223.42.1044008709.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <000501c2cbb3$d7d46280$ca8fe2c3@a9u3z8> Take me off the mailing list I have a life ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700 owner manual > > Hi Pavel (and other Naktalkers), > > This is what you do... > > ftp to: ftp.naks.com > login: pdfupload > password: s3rv1c3 > > Then go to the incoming directory and place your file(s) there > This is an upload only account, no downloads possible! > The account also has an limited lifetime, so it may have been expired > sometimes, if that happens let me know. > Also let me know if you've uploaded something, then i know it was from you > and can put what you've uploaded on the support site. > > Enjoy! > > Wouter > > > > Hi! > > > > How I can upload it to support.naks.com? > > Size: ~1.1M. > > > > Regards, > > Pavel > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Feb 3 20:10:45 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 19:10:45 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] F.A.O. JENS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001b01c2cbb7$f421ba60$e3f8193e@oemcomputer> Hi Jens I just tried to email a reply to your message but I'm getting "Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender" message, saying "his message was created automatically by mail delivery software (Exim). A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed: croquetgod at yahoo.com SMTP error from remote mailer after end of data: host mx2.mail.yahoo.com [64.156.215.6]: 554 delivery error: dd Sorry, your message to croquetgod at yahoo.com cannot be delivered. This account is over quota. - mta182.mail.scd.yahoo.com" Do you have another address that may be used? Graham > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/03 From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Feb 3 20:10:49 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 19:10:49 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Off topic postings In-Reply-To: <3E3E383E.F250C191@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <001c01c2cbb7$f674d220$e3f8193e@oemcomputer> I'm up for it. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Jim Volpatti > Sent: 03 February 2003 09:37 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off topic postings > > > Wow, you're the best Wouter!! Our very own general audio > discussion group?? I'm all for > it if the regulars here are inclined to participate and if it's > not too much work for > you, Wouter. > > What do you guys say?? > > Jim Volpatti > > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/03 From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Feb 3 20:24:12 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 19:24:12 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Add another NakHead to the list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001e01c2cbb9$d4f66120$e3f8193e@oemcomputer> Harshad Noting you've got some decks on your wish list, it seems like a good time to be buying Naks - prices are rather depressed - though (personally) I'm a bit nervous about it with regard to the availability of spare parts. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Harshad Khatri > Sent: 03 February 2003 16:44 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Add another NakHead to the list > > > KJ, > > I'm sure I'm not the last one to request to be added to the > database ....... > > Name: Harshad Khatri > Home: Wilmette, IL > Nak products currently owned: ZX-7 > Nak products on the wish list: CR-7A, RX-505, PA-7 Amp > Other fine (non-Nak) products currently owned: 70's Sansui Definition > series: TU-9900, BA-2000, CA-2000 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/03 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/03 From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Feb 3 20:24:22 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 19:24:22 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Get a life In-Reply-To: <000501c2cbb3$d7d46280$ca8fe2c3@a9u3z8> Message-ID: <001f01c2cbb9$db4f70c0$e3f8193e@oemcomputer> Sinclair said: > Take me off the mailing list I have a life > Buddy, you've evidently not heard about the super volcano under Yellow Stone Park - it blows every 600k years, wiping out most life forms on the Earth because of the volcanic winter it creates, and the last time it did this was .... 600k years ago! Enjoy those Naks, the music ... and everything else ... while we're still alive, guys! :o) Gra' --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/03 From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Feb 3 20:33:35 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 19:33:35 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Introducing: Audiotalk In-Reply-To: <6908.62.72.223.42.1044281335.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <002c01c2cbbb$24e36380$e3f8193e@oemcomputer> Hi Wouter I tried to reply to confirm subscription but the "audiotalk at naks.com" address keeps getting kicked back to me with the following message: The original message was received at Mon, 3 Feb 2003 20:25:30 +0100 from cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.19] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd audiotalk" (reason: service unavailable) (expanded from: ) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- smrsh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs 554 5.0.0 Service unavailable Gra' > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/03 From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Mon Feb 3 20:33:51 2003 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 20:33:51 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Introducing: Audiotalk In-Reply-To: <002c01c2cbbb$24e36380$e3f8193e@oemcomputer> References: <6908.62.72.223.42.1044281335.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030203203306.00abe6b0@box.tin.it> I am interested mee too to subscribe audiotalk .... Please let me know when available Thanks Ezio At 07:33 PM 2/3/03 +0000, you wrote: >Hi Wouter > >I tried to reply to confirm subscription but the "audiotalk at naks.com" >address keeps getting kicked back to me with the following message: > >The original message was received at Mon, 3 Feb 2003 20:25:30 +0100 >from cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.19] > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- >"|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd audiotalk" > (reason: service unavailable) > (expanded from: ) > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- >smrsh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs >554 5.0.0 Service unavailable > > > >Gra' Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site http://www.lucenti.com My pages on digital photography From roleo at telus.net Mon Feb 3 20:45:38 2003 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 11:45:38 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Introducing: Audiotalk References: <002c01c2cbbb$24e36380$e3f8193e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <006001c2cbbc$d3baf390$8075059a@desktop> Me too. (Confirmation bounce back) Roland ============================================================ The original message was received at Mon, 3 Feb 2003 20:43:42 +0100 from outbound02.telus.net [199.185.220.221] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd audiotalk" (reason: service unavailable) (expanded from: ) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- smrsh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs 554 5.0.0 Service unavailable ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 11:33 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Introducing: Audiotalk > Hi Wouter > > I tried to reply to confirm subscription but the "audiotalk at naks.com" > address keeps getting kicked back to me with the following message: > > The original message was received at Mon, 3 Feb 2003 20:25:30 +0100 > from cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.19] > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd audiotalk" > (reason: service unavailable) > (expanded from: ) > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > smrsh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs > 554 5.0.0 Service unavailable > > > > Gra' > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/03 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > From c123666 at earthlink.net Mon Feb 3 21:40:00 2003 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl C) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 12:40:00 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Audiotalk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: What is audiotalk? -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of Robert Kent Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 8:08 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Audiotalk Wouter, Great idea.....I see you have already put Audiotalk into action, and I have already subscribed. Thanks for the effort! Robert J Kent San Francisco Bay Area 'audiotalk' ? It is not too much work, and i will even be joining myself, just want Naktalk to be 'clean' of off-topic threads. So please respond if you want such a list! Wouter ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From rjkent at attbi.com Mon Feb 3 21:56:24 2003 From: rjkent at attbi.com (Robert Kent) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 12:56:24 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] AudioTalk Message-ID: Hi Wouter, As with a few others, I am getting the following returned mail message when trying to cinfirm my AudioTalk subscription: The original message was received at Mon, 3 Feb 2003 21:52:31 +0100 from sccrmhc02.attbi.com [204.127.202.62] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd audiotalk" (reason: service unavailable) (expanded from: ) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- smrsh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs 554 5.0.0 Service unavailable From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Mon Feb 3 22:18:16 2003 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 22:18:16 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: Returned mail: see transcript for details Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030203221730.00a7a330@box.tin.it> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ztiller at hotmail.com Tue Feb 4 00:06:35 2003 From: ztiller at hotmail.com (Robert Zabokrtsky) Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 18:06:35 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] AudioTalk Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From m.raven at chello.nl Mon Feb 3 16:29:31 2003 From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 16:29:31 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Scanning tips References: <000f01c2ca1f$7e540e30$9e3cbbd4@raveneql1a1eu0> <003b01c2ca9b$2ba042e0$0400a7c0@CC132114B> Message-ID: <000001c2cbd9$c6803d30$9e3cbbd4@raveneql1a1eu0> ----- Original Message ----- From: "norman van wijnen" To: Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scanning tips > Hi Maurits, > > i think i will go for the color version but everybody thinks different about > this issue i guess. Yep, the original LX-5 has black, greytones and blue. I'm on the quarter of the scan job and do scan the schematics and printed circuit boards in greytone mode (BW photo-picture 200 dpi), text and exploded views in B/W txt 150 dpi mode. Btw. where to get a Japanese sided map for the manual. It's original glued on the back (difficult to scan) but this jap has thirty holes. Can't find an ordner here in The Netherlands, only European and US formats. Maurits From n.van.wijnen at home.nl Tue Feb 4 00:28:42 2003 From: n.van.wijnen at home.nl (norman van wijnen) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 00:28:42 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 ZXL manual References: <000601c2c8b8$2556fa30$5900a8c0@SUPPORT.RENTANAPT.COM> Message-ID: <00fa01c2cbdb$fd6f4780$0400a7c0@CC132114B> Hi John, maybe you can scan one or two pages in different ways and send it to me then i would let you know what resolution to choose. maybe you can make tiff files of it? Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: "John" To: Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 12:34 Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 ZXL manual > I could do that. What file type/resolution? I don't have Acrobat @ home. > > John. > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > norman van wijnen > Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 3:23 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 ZXL manual > > > Hi > > maybe you can scan the manual and send it to me? > > the i make a pdf manual of it and send it to wouter's server > > Norman > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John" > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 8:57 > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 ZXL manual > > > > I've got one. I could either photo copy and snail-mail or maybe some other > > option. > > > > Let me know. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > jmtooley at ce.net > > Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 11:51 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 ZXL manual > > > > > > Would anybody at Naktalk have a Nakamichi 700 ZXL owners manual or clean > > scan > > of same available? > > > > Thank you, > > John T. > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From nakmaniak at yahoo.com Tue Feb 4 00:51:33 2003 From: nakmaniak at yahoo.com (nakmaniak) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 15:51:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Get a life Message-ID: <20030203235133.93315.qmail@web13602.mail.yahoo.com> Wouter, how do I subscribe to audiotalk ... =) Best regards, Salim SM (are we allowed to talk about Naks there ?) ----- Original Message ----- From: Sinclair Forrest To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 1:41 AM Subject: [naktalk] Get a life Take me off the mailing list I have a life ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700 owner manual __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Feb 4 00:11:56 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 06:11:56 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Add another NakHead to the list Message-ID: <396b632ef1.32ef1396b6@indosat.net.id> Don't worry Gra' .. the super volcano will take care of Nak parts problem. =) Enjoy Zxs while you can ! sm ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson Date: Tuesday, February 4, 2003 2:24 am Subject: RE: [naktalk] Add another NakHead to the list > Harshad > > Noting you've got some decks on your wish list, it seems like a > good time to > be buying Naks - prices are rather depressed - though (personally) > I'm a bit > nervous about it with regard to the availability of spare parts. > > Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On > Behalf Of > > Harshad Khatri > > Sent: 03 February 2003 16:44 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] Add another NakHead to the list > > > > > > KJ, > > > > I'm sure I'm not the last one to request to be added to the > > database ....... > > > > Name: Harshad Khatri > > Home: Wilmette, IL > > Nak products currently owned: ZX-7 > > Nak products on the wish list: CR-7A, RX-505, PA-7 Amp > > Other fine (non-Nak) products currently owned: 70's Sansui > Definition> series: TU-9900, BA-2000, CA-2000 > > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > - > > --------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > - > > --------========= > > > > --- > > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/03 > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/03 > > ========----------------------------------------------------------- > -------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========--------------- > ---------------------------------------------------========= > From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Tue Feb 4 00:55:19 2003 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 23:55:19 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Off topic postings Message-ID: Yeah, I'll like to join too. >'audiotalk' ? > >It is not too much work, and i will even be joining myself, just want >Naktalk to be 'clean' of off-topic threads. > >So please respond if you want such a list! > >Wouter > > _________________________________________________________________ Chat online in real time with MSN Messenger http://messenger.msn.co.uk From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Feb 4 00:16:03 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 06:16:03 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problem & Nak Lube Message-ID: <355a4368ef.368ef355a4@indosat.net.id> Thanks much Kannan for the 'speed differential' idea ! Also would like to remind fellow Naksters to lubricate your Nak's capstans every 2-3 yrs or so especially on continuous running models. Just got a dragon with a good head for the price of dragon's good head - thanks to another hidden nak feature ... called sticky roller shaft ! =) After semi-complete overhaul deck is running top notch. However, I almost freaked out when suddenly tape speed fluctuates, as the dragon has no speed control. After reading Kannan's post below and his email moons ago, I checked the capstans and sure enough the fwd takeup is slightly heavier to turn. Two drops of oil later deck is almost good as new and cover's heat is very much reduced. Additional question to Kannan - or Stephen if you're reading this - how do we adjust the 'capstan torque' using the 2 trimpots on DD board ? I noticed there are 2 test points on that board and figure the idea of finding minimum current for given torque, but how ? Even the manual didn't mention the 2 pots at all. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: kannan_s at vsnl.com Date: Thursday, January 30, 2003 10:28 am Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon problem > Roland > You are having the classic Dragon DD motor problem - Speed > difference between the Capstans is not OK in forward direction. > Certain amount of skewing of tape causes Auto azimuth to lose > tracking in one direction. Open the top cover and look in to two > solid flywheels of Capstans rotating. When the tape is playing in > forward direction apply slight finger pressure on the slower left > side flywheel ( looking from front) - The tape pulling (tape take > up) capstan rotates slightly faster than the one which holds back > the other end to maintain the constant tape tension. If the speed > differential is not perfect this problem occurs. The tape hold > back capstan motor has larger friction causing it to rotate slower > than the expected speed. Since this is the take up capstan in > reverse play mode and the other motor is slowing down, you do not > see this problem . > If this is the case the minute you apply slight pressure on the > hold back side flywheel the tape will play brilliantly like the > reverse play mode. You will also find the Auto Azimuth functions > properly like in the other direction. > > Coming to solution- you better send it to Stephen as it is a > difficult job for an in-experienced techies - DD motor disassemby > requires quite a skill. > Ron should thank his CR7 motor as it is very easy to remove the > capstan and clean its bearing surface unlike Dragon! > Kannan > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Feb 4 01:16:24 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 00:16:24 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Add another NakHead to the list In-Reply-To: <396b632ef1.32ef1396b6@indosat.net.id> Message-ID: <000201c2cbe2$a73c75c0$67e9193e@oemcomputer> Heh! Heh! Sure will! :o) > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > smarzuki at indosat.net.id > Sent: 03 February 2003 23:12 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] Add another NakHead to the list > > > > Don't worry Gra' .. the super volcano will take care of Nak parts > problem. =) > > Enjoy Zxs while you can ! > sm > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/03 From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Tue Feb 4 01:46:02 2003 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 00:46:02 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] RM 100 remote Message-ID: Hi all, I have been wondering what other decks you can use the RM 100 remote with. I know it is for the older/classic 480 series of decks, with the RM 200 for the BX and CR series. Is the RM 100 compatible to be used with any of Nak decks apart from 480 series? Thanks. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger - fast, easy and FREE! http://messenger.msn.co.uk From kannan_s at vsnl.com Tue Feb 4 04:06:32 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 08:36:32 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problem & Nak Lube Message-ID: <20030204030632.D1FB811491C@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Feb 4 06:31:51 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 12:31:51 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problem & Nak Lube Message-ID: <3e8d03d321.3d3213e8d0@indosat.net.id> Hi Kannan, Just found out from ZX DD schematics that the same pot is used to adjust "gain". ZX has another pot for speed adj. which is substituted by quartz reference on Dragon. Anyway the correct use for ZX's trimpot is to use W&F meter and adjust Gain pot to find minimum wow & flutter. I believe this method is not possible on dragon due to the double DD nature, unless the supply capstan is disabled. The pcb used to be very hot before the lube and now although it has more normal temperature, i feel it's a bit hotter on reverse play - therefore my suspicion that somebody had tried to tweak the pot to adjust holdback tension. Imo Nak has the habit of putting 'warning, do not tweak' pots in convenient locations =) On the test points: connect the probe to TP and ground to chassis ? Cheers, Salim SM - correction on my previous post: supply capstan on fwd play (left one) was heavier to turn. ----- Original Message ----- From: kannan_s at vsnl.com Date: Tuesday, February 4, 2003 10:06 am Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] Dragon problem & Nak Lube > Do not touch those two trim pots - as adviced by Stephen. Probably > they adjust the speed and not torque - torque is controled by > checking the servo signals. Unless the drive output transistors > heat up too much, the torque will be OK to keep the speed > accurate. Those two test points are outputs from servo coils to > check the speed differentials - you can use an osciloscope to view > them! I had done that in my Dragon. > Kannan > > smarzuki at indosat.net.id > wrote > > Thanks much Kannan for the 'speed differential' idea ! Also would > like to > remind fellow Naksters to lubricate your Nak's capstans every 2-3 > yrs or so > especially on continuous running models. > > Just got a dragon with a good head for the price of dragon's good > head - > thanks to another hidden nak feature ... called sticky roller > shaft ! =) > After semi-complete overhaul deck is running top notch. However, > I almost > freaked out when suddenly tape speed fluctuates, as the dragon has > no speed > control. After reading Kannan's post below and his email moons > ago, I > checked the capstans and sure enough the fwd takeup is slightly > heavier to > turn. Two drops of oil later deck is almost good as new and > cover's heat is > very much reduced. > > Additional question to Kannan - or Stephen if you're reading this - > how do > we adjust the 'capstan torque' using the 2 trimpots on DD board ? > I noticed > there are 2 test points on that board and figure the idea of > finding minimum > current for given torque, but how ? Even the manual didn't > mention the 2 > pots at all. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------- > -------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========--------------- > ---------------------------------------------------========= > From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Feb 3 19:28:04 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 01:28:04 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problem & Nak Lube References: <20030130032842.E763411492A@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <01b101c2cbb7$dee071a0$b6299bca@smarzuki> Thanks much Kannan for the 'speed differential' idea ! Also would like to remind fellow Naksters to lubricate your Nak's capstans every 2-3 yrs or so especially on continuous running models. Just got a dragon with a good head for the price of dragon's good head - thanks to another hidden nak feature ... called sticky roller shaft ! =) After semi-complete overhaul deck is running top notch. However, I almost freaked out when suddenly tape speed fluctuates, as the dragon has no speed control. After reading Kannan's post below and his email moons ago, I checked the capstans and sure enough the fwd takeup is slightly heavier to turn. Two drops of oil later deck is almost good as new and cover's heat is very much reduced. Additional question to Kannan - or Stephen if you're reading this - how do we adjust the 'capstan torque' using the 2 trimpots on DD board ? I noticed there are 2 test points on that board and figure the idea of finding minimum current for given torque, but how ? Even the manual didn't mention the 2 pots at all. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: kannan_s at vsnl.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 10:28 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon problem Roland You are having the classic Dragon DD motor problem - Speed difference between the Capstans is not OK in forward direction. Certain amount of skewing of tape causes Auto azimuth to lose tracking in one direction. Open the top cover and look in to two solid flywheels of Capstans rotating. When the tape is playing in forward direction apply slight finger pressure on the slower left side flywheel ( looking from front) - The tape pulling (tape take up) capstan rotates slightly faster than the one which holds back the other end to maintain the constant tape tension. If the speed differential is not perfect this problem occurs. The tape hold back capstan motor has larger friction causing it to rotate slower than the expected speed. Since this is the take up capstan in reverse play mode and the other motor is slowing down, you do not see this problem . If this is the case the minute you apply slight pressure on the hold back side flywheel the tape will play brilliantly like the reverse play mode. You will also find the Auto Azimuth functions properly like in the other direction. Coming to solution- you better send it to Stephen as it is a difficult job for an in-experienced techies - DD motor disassemby requires quite a skill. Ron should thank his CR7 motor as it is very easy to remove the capstan and clean its bearing surface unlike Dragon! Kannan From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Feb 3 19:28:04 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 01:28:04 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problem & Nak Lube References: <20030130032842.E763411492A@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <01c001c2cbba$78722fa0$b6299bca@smarzuki> Thanks much Kannan for the 'speed differential' idea ! Also would like to remind fellow Naksters to lubricate your Nak's capstans every 2-3 yrs or so especially on continuous running models. Just got a dragon with a good head for the price of dragon's good head - thanks to another hidden nak feature ... called sticky roller shaft ! =) After semi-complete overhaul deck is running top notch. However, I almost freaked out when suddenly tape speed fluctuates, as the dragon has no speed control. After reading Kannan's post below and his email moons ago, I checked the capstans and sure enough the fwd takeup is slightly heavier to turn. Two drops of oil later deck is almost good as new and cover's heat is very much reduced. Additional question to Kannan - or Stephen if you're reading this - how do we adjust the 'capstan torque' using the 2 trimpots on DD board ? I noticed there are 2 test points on that board and figure the idea of finding minimum current for given torque, but how ? Even the manual didn't mention the 2 pots at all. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: kannan_s at vsnl.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 10:28 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon problem Roland You are having the classic Dragon DD motor problem - Speed difference between the Capstans is not OK in forward direction. Certain amount of skewing of tape causes Auto azimuth to lose tracking in one direction. Open the top cover and look in to two solid flywheels of Capstans rotating. When the tape is playing in forward direction apply slight finger pressure on the slower left side flywheel ( looking from front) - The tape pulling (tape take up) capstan rotates slightly faster than the one which holds back the other end to maintain the constant tape tension. If the speed differential is not perfect this problem occurs. The tape hold back capstan motor has larger friction causing it to rotate slower than the expected speed. Since this is the take up capstan in reverse play mode and the other motor is slowing down, you do not see this problem . If this is the case the minute you apply slight pressure on the hold back side flywheel the tape will play brilliantly like the reverse play mode. You will also find the Auto Azimuth functions properly like in the other direction. Coming to solution- you better send it to Stephen as it is a difficult job for an in-experienced techies - DD motor disassemby requires quite a skill. Ron should thank his CR7 motor as it is very easy to remove the capstan and clean its bearing surface unlike Dragon! Kannan From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Feb 3 19:28:04 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 01:28:04 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problem & Nak Lube References: <20030130032842.E763411492A@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <000101c2cbbc$731150c0$d0299bca@smarzuki> Thanks much Kannan for the 'speed differential' idea ! Also would like to remind fellow Naksters to lubricate your Nak's capstans every 2-3 yrs or so especially on continuous running models. Just got a dragon with a good head for the price of dragon's good head - thanks to another hidden nak feature ... called sticky roller shaft ! =) After semi-complete overhaul deck is running top notch. However, I almost freaked out when suddenly tape speed fluctuates, as the dragon has no speed control. After reading Kannan's post below and his email moons ago, I checked the capstans and sure enough the fwd takeup is slightly heavier to turn. Two drops of oil later deck is almost good as new and cover's heat is very much reduced. Additional question to Kannan - or Stephen if you're reading this - how do we adjust the 'capstan torque' using the 2 trimpots on DD board ? I noticed there are 2 test points on that board and figure the idea of finding minimum current for given torque, but how ? Even the manual didn't mention the 2 pots at all. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: kannan_s at vsnl.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 10:28 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon problem Roland You are having the classic Dragon DD motor problem - Speed difference between the Capstans is not OK in forward direction. Certain amount of skewing of tape causes Auto azimuth to lose tracking in one direction. Open the top cover and look in to two solid flywheels of Capstans rotating. When the tape is playing in forward direction apply slight finger pressure on the slower left side flywheel ( looking from front) - The tape pulling (tape take up) capstan rotates slightly faster than the one which holds back the other end to maintain the constant tape tension. If the speed differential is not perfect this problem occurs. The tape hold back capstan motor has larger friction causing it to rotate slower than the expected speed. Since this is the take up capstan in reverse play mode and the other motor is slowing down, you do not see this problem . If this is the case the minute you apply slight pressure on the hold back side flywheel the tape will play brilliantly like the reverse play mode. You will also find the Auto Azimuth functions properly like in the other direction. Coming to solution- you better send it to Stephen as it is a difficult job for an in-experienced techies - DD motor disassemby requires quite a skill. Ron should thank his CR7 motor as it is very easy to remove the capstan and clean its bearing surface unlike Dragon! Kannan From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Feb 3 19:28:04 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 01:28:04 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problem & Nak Lube References: <20030130032842.E763411492A@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <019a01c2cbb6$aef874c0$b6299bca@smarzuki> Thanks much Kannan for the 'speed differential' idea ! Also would like to remind fellow Naksters to lubricate your Nak's capstans every 2-3 yrs or so especially on continuous running models. Just got a dragon with a good head for the price of dragon's good head - thanks to another hidden nak feature ... called sticky roller shaft ! =) After semi-complete overhaul deck is running top notch. However, I almost freaked out when suddenly tape speed fluctuates, as the dragon has no speed control. After reading Kannan's post below and his email moons ago, I checked the capstans and sure enough the fwd takeup is slightly heavier to turn. Two drops of oil later deck is almost good as new and cover's heat is very much reduced. Additional question to Kannan - or Stephen if you're reading this - how do we adjust the 'capstan torque' using the 2 trimpots on DD board ? I noticed there are 2 test points on that board and figure the idea of finding minimum current for given torque, but how ? Even the manual didn't mention the 2 pots at all. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: kannan_s at vsnl.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 10:28 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon problem Roland You are having the classic Dragon DD motor problem - Speed difference between the Capstans is not OK in forward direction. Certain amount of skewing of tape causes Auto azimuth to lose tracking in one direction. Open the top cover and look in to two solid flywheels of Capstans rotating. When the tape is playing in forward direction apply slight finger pressure on the slower left side flywheel ( looking from front) - The tape pulling (tape take up) capstan rotates slightly faster than the one which holds back the other end to maintain the constant tape tension. If the speed differential is not perfect this problem occurs. The tape hold back capstan motor has larger friction causing it to rotate slower than the expected speed. Since this is the take up capstan in reverse play mode and the other motor is slowing down, you do not see this problem . If this is the case the minute you apply slight pressure on the hold back side flywheel the tape will play brilliantly like the reverse play mode. You will also find the Auto Azimuth functions properly like in the other direction. Coming to solution- you better send it to Stephen as it is a difficult job for an in-experienced techies - DD motor disassemby requires quite a skill. Ron should thank his CR7 motor as it is very easy to remove the capstan and clean its bearing surface unlike Dragon! Kannan From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Feb 3 19:28:04 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 01:28:04 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problem & Nak Lube References: <20030130032842.E763411492A@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <000d01c2cbdb$55e2d2c0$b5199bca@smarzuki> Thanks much Kannan for the 'speed differential' idea ! Also would like to remind fellow Naksters to lubricate your Nak's capstans every 2-3 yrs or so especially on continuous running models. Just got a dragon with a good head for the price of dragon's good head - thanks to another hidden nak feature ... called sticky roller shaft ! =) After semi-complete overhaul deck is running top notch. However, I almost freaked out when suddenly tape speed fluctuates, as the dragon has no speed control. After reading Kannan's post below and his email moons ago, I checked the capstans and sure enough the fwd takeup is slightly heavier to turn. Two drops of oil later deck is almost good as new and cover's heat is very much reduced. Additional question to Kannan - or Stephen if you're reading this - how do we adjust the 'capstan torque' using the 2 trimpots on DD board ? I noticed there are 2 test points on that board and figure the idea of finding minimum current for given torque, but how ? Even the manual didn't mention the 2 pots at all. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: kannan_s at vsnl.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 10:28 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon problem Roland You are having the classic Dragon DD motor problem - Speed difference between the Capstans is not OK in forward direction. Certain amount of skewing of tape causes Auto azimuth to lose tracking in one direction. Open the top cover and look in to two solid flywheels of Capstans rotating. When the tape is playing in forward direction apply slight finger pressure on the slower left side flywheel ( looking from front) - The tape pulling (tape take up) capstan rotates slightly faster than the one which holds back the other end to maintain the constant tape tension. If the speed differential is not perfect this problem occurs. The tape hold back capstan motor has larger friction causing it to rotate slower than the expected speed. Since this is the take up capstan in reverse play mode and the other motor is slowing down, you do not see this problem . If this is the case the minute you apply slight pressure on the hold back side flywheel the tape will play brilliantly like the reverse play mode. You will also find the Auto Azimuth functions properly like in the other direction. Coming to solution- you better send it to Stephen as it is a difficult job for an in-experienced techies - DD motor disassemby requires quite a skill. Ron should thank his CR7 motor as it is very easy to remove the capstan and clean its bearing surface unlike Dragon! Kannan From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Feb 3 19:28:04 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 01:28:04 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problem & Nak Lube References: <20030130032842.E763411492A@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <000c01c2cbdb$2dc72f20$b5199bca@smarzuki> Thanks much Kannan for the 'speed differential' idea ! Also would like to remind fellow Naksters to lubricate your Nak's capstans every 2-3 yrs or so especially on continuous running models. Just got a dragon with a good head for the price of dragon's good head - thanks to another hidden nak feature ... called sticky roller shaft ! =) After semi-complete overhaul deck is running top notch. However, I almost freaked out when suddenly tape speed fluctuates, as the dragon has no speed control. After reading Kannan's post below and his email moons ago, I checked the capstans and sure enough the fwd takeup is slightly heavier to turn. Two drops of oil later deck is almost good as new and cover's heat is very much reduced. Additional question to Kannan - or Stephen if you're reading this - how do we adjust the 'capstan torque' using the 2 trimpots on DD board ? I noticed there are 2 test points on that board and figure the idea of finding minimum current for given torque, but how ? Even the manual didn't mention the 2 pots at all. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: kannan_s at vsnl.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 10:28 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon problem Roland You are having the classic Dragon DD motor problem - Speed difference between the Capstans is not OK in forward direction. Certain amount of skewing of tape causes Auto azimuth to lose tracking in one direction. Open the top cover and look in to two solid flywheels of Capstans rotating. When the tape is playing in forward direction apply slight finger pressure on the slower left side flywheel ( looking from front) - The tape pulling (tape take up) capstan rotates slightly faster than the one which holds back the other end to maintain the constant tape tension. If the speed differential is not perfect this problem occurs. The tape hold back capstan motor has larger friction causing it to rotate slower than the expected speed. Since this is the take up capstan in reverse play mode and the other motor is slowing down, you do not see this problem . If this is the case the minute you apply slight pressure on the hold back side flywheel the tape will play brilliantly like the reverse play mode. You will also find the Auto Azimuth functions properly like in the other direction. Coming to solution- you better send it to Stephen as it is a difficult job for an in-experienced techies - DD motor disassemby requires quite a skill. Ron should thank his CR7 motor as it is very easy to remove the capstan and clean its bearing surface unlike Dragon! Kannan From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Feb 3 19:28:04 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 01:28:04 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problem & Nak Lube References: <20030130032842.E763411492A@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <000401c2cbbc$b00e1bc0$d0299bca@smarzuki> Thanks much Kannan for the 'speed differential' idea ! Also would like to remind fellow Naksters to lubricate your Nak's capstans every 2-3 yrs or so especially on continuous running models. Just got a dragon with a good head for the price of dragon's good head - thanks to another hidden nak feature ... called sticky roller shaft ! =) After semi-complete overhaul deck is running top notch. However, I almost freaked out when suddenly tape speed fluctuates, as the dragon has no speed control. After reading Kannan's post below and his email moons ago, I checked the capstans and sure enough the fwd takeup is slightly heavier to turn. Two drops of oil later deck is almost good as new and cover's heat is very much reduced. Additional question to Kannan - or Stephen if you're reading this - how do we adjust the 'capstan torque' using the 2 trimpots on DD board ? I noticed there are 2 test points on that board and figure the idea of finding minimum current for given torque, but how ? Even the manual didn't mention the 2 pots at all. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: kannan_s at vsnl.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 10:28 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon problem Roland You are having the classic Dragon DD motor problem - Speed difference between the Capstans is not OK in forward direction. Certain amount of skewing of tape causes Auto azimuth to lose tracking in one direction. Open the top cover and look in to two solid flywheels of Capstans rotating. When the tape is playing in forward direction apply slight finger pressure on the slower left side flywheel ( looking from front) - The tape pulling (tape take up) capstan rotates slightly faster than the one which holds back the other end to maintain the constant tape tension. If the speed differential is not perfect this problem occurs. The tape hold back capstan motor has larger friction causing it to rotate slower than the expected speed. Since this is the take up capstan in reverse play mode and the other motor is slowing down, you do not see this problem . If this is the case the minute you apply slight pressure on the hold back side flywheel the tape will play brilliantly like the reverse play mode. You will also find the Auto Azimuth functions properly like in the other direction. Coming to solution- you better send it to Stephen as it is a difficult job for an in-experienced techies - DD motor disassemby requires quite a skill. Ron should thank his CR7 motor as it is very easy to remove the capstan and clean its bearing surface unlike Dragon! Kannan From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Feb 3 19:28:04 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 01:28:04 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problem & Nak Lube References: <20030130032842.E763411492A@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <01cd01c2cbbb$97afd100$b6299bca@smarzuki> Thanks much Kannan for the 'speed differential' idea ! Also would like to remind fellow Naksters to lubricate your Nak's capstans every 2-3 yrs or so especially on continuous running models. Just got a dragon with a good head for the price of dragon's good head - thanks to another hidden nak feature ... called sticky roller shaft ! =) After semi-complete overhaul deck is running top notch. However, I almost freaked out when suddenly tape speed fluctuates, as the dragon has no speed control. After reading Kannan's post below and his email moons ago, I checked the capstans and sure enough the fwd takeup is slightly heavier to turn. Two drops of oil later deck is almost good as new and cover's heat is very much reduced. Additional question to Kannan - or Stephen if you're reading this - how do we adjust the 'capstan torque' using the 2 trimpots on DD board ? I noticed there are 2 test points on that board and figure the idea of finding minimum current for given torque, but how ? Even the manual didn't mention the 2 pots at all. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: kannan_s at vsnl.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 10:28 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon problem Roland You are having the classic Dragon DD motor problem - Speed difference between the Capstans is not OK in forward direction. Certain amount of skewing of tape causes Auto azimuth to lose tracking in one direction. Open the top cover and look in to two solid flywheels of Capstans rotating. When the tape is playing in forward direction apply slight finger pressure on the slower left side flywheel ( looking from front) - The tape pulling (tape take up) capstan rotates slightly faster than the one which holds back the other end to maintain the constant tape tension. If the speed differential is not perfect this problem occurs. The tape hold back capstan motor has larger friction causing it to rotate slower than the expected speed. Since this is the take up capstan in reverse play mode and the other motor is slowing down, you do not see this problem . If this is the case the minute you apply slight pressure on the hold back side flywheel the tape will play brilliantly like the reverse play mode. You will also find the Auto Azimuth functions properly like in the other direction. Coming to solution- you better send it to Stephen as it is a difficult job for an in-experienced techies - DD motor disassemby requires quite a skill. Ron should thank his CR7 motor as it is very easy to remove the capstan and clean its bearing surface unlike Dragon! Kannan From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Feb 3 19:28:04 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 01:28:04 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problem & Nak Lube References: <20030130032842.E763411492A@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <01ce01c2cbbc$18504880$b6299bca@smarzuki> Thanks much Kannan for the 'speed differential' idea ! Also would like to remind fellow Naksters to lubricate your Nak's capstans every 2-3 yrs or so especially on continuous running models. Just got a dragon with a good head for the price of dragon's good head - thanks to another hidden nak feature ... called sticky roller shaft ! =) After semi-complete overhaul deck is running top notch. However, I almost freaked out when suddenly tape speed fluctuates, as the dragon has no speed control. After reading Kannan's post below and his email moons ago, I checked the capstans and sure enough the fwd takeup is slightly heavier to turn. Two drops of oil later deck is almost good as new and cover's heat is very much reduced. Additional question to Kannan - or Stephen if you're reading this - how do we adjust the 'capstan torque' using the 2 trimpots on DD board ? I noticed there are 2 test points on that board and figure the idea of finding minimum current for given torque, but how ? Even the manual didn't mention the 2 pots at all. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: kannan_s at vsnl.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 10:28 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon problem Roland You are having the classic Dragon DD motor problem - Speed difference between the Capstans is not OK in forward direction. Certain amount of skewing of tape causes Auto azimuth to lose tracking in one direction. Open the top cover and look in to two solid flywheels of Capstans rotating. When the tape is playing in forward direction apply slight finger pressure on the slower left side flywheel ( looking from front) - The tape pulling (tape take up) capstan rotates slightly faster than the one which holds back the other end to maintain the constant tape tension. If the speed differential is not perfect this problem occurs. The tape hold back capstan motor has larger friction causing it to rotate slower than the expected speed. Since this is the take up capstan in reverse play mode and the other motor is slowing down, you do not see this problem . If this is the case the minute you apply slight pressure on the hold back side flywheel the tape will play brilliantly like the reverse play mode. You will also find the Auto Azimuth functions properly like in the other direction. Coming to solution- you better send it to Stephen as it is a difficult job for an in-experienced techies - DD motor disassemby requires quite a skill. Ron should thank his CR7 motor as it is very easy to remove the capstan and clean its bearing surface unlike Dragon! Kannan From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Feb 3 19:28:04 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 01:28:04 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problem & Nak Lube References: <20030130032842.E763411492A@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <000101c2cbda$96ecb700$b5199bca@smarzuki> Thanks much Kannan for the 'speed differential' idea ! Also would like to remind fellow Naksters to lubricate your Nak's capstans every 2-3 yrs or so especially on continuous running models. Just got a dragon with a good head for the price of dragon's good head - thanks to another hidden nak feature ... called sticky roller shaft ! =) After semi-complete overhaul deck is running top notch. However, I almost freaked out when suddenly tape speed fluctuates, as the dragon has no speed control. After reading Kannan's post below and his email moons ago, I checked the capstans and sure enough the fwd takeup is slightly heavier to turn. Two drops of oil later deck is almost good as new and cover's heat is very much reduced. Additional question to Kannan - or Stephen if you're reading this - how do we adjust the 'capstan torque' using the 2 trimpots on DD board ? I noticed there are 2 test points on that board and figure the idea of finding minimum current for given torque, but how ? Even the manual didn't mention the 2 pots at all. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: kannan_s at vsnl.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 10:28 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon problem Roland You are having the classic Dragon DD motor problem - Speed difference between the Capstans is not OK in forward direction. Certain amount of skewing of tape causes Auto azimuth to lose tracking in one direction. Open the top cover and look in to two solid flywheels of Capstans rotating. When the tape is playing in forward direction apply slight finger pressure on the slower left side flywheel ( looking from front) - The tape pulling (tape take up) capstan rotates slightly faster than the one which holds back the other end to maintain the constant tape tension. If the speed differential is not perfect this problem occurs. The tape hold back capstan motor has larger friction causing it to rotate slower than the expected speed. Since this is the take up capstan in reverse play mode and the other motor is slowing down, you do not see this problem . If this is the case the minute you apply slight pressure on the hold back side flywheel the tape will play brilliantly like the reverse play mode. You will also find the Auto Azimuth functions properly like in the other direction. Coming to solution- you better send it to Stephen as it is a difficult job for an in-experienced techies - DD motor disassemby requires quite a skill. Ron should thank his CR7 motor as it is very easy to remove the capstan and clean its bearing surface unlike Dragon! Kannan From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Feb 3 19:28:04 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 01:28:04 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problem & Nak Lube References: <20030130032842.E763411492A@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <01bb01c2cbba$1e0513c0$b6299bca@smarzuki> Thanks much Kannan for the 'speed differential' idea ! Also would like to remind fellow Naksters to lubricate your Nak's capstans every 2-3 yrs or so especially on continuous running models. Just got a dragon with a good head for the price of dragon's good head - thanks to another hidden nak feature ... called sticky roller shaft ! =) After semi-complete overhaul deck is running top notch. However, I almost freaked out when suddenly tape speed fluctuates, as the dragon has no speed control. After reading Kannan's post below and his email moons ago, I checked the capstans and sure enough the fwd takeup is slightly heavier to turn. Two drops of oil later deck is almost good as new and cover's heat is very much reduced. Additional question to Kannan - or Stephen if you're reading this - how do we adjust the 'capstan torque' using the 2 trimpots on DD board ? I noticed there are 2 test points on that board and figure the idea of finding minimum current for given torque, but how ? Even the manual didn't mention the 2 pots at all. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: kannan_s at vsnl.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 10:28 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon problem Roland You are having the classic Dragon DD motor problem - Speed difference between the Capstans is not OK in forward direction. Certain amount of skewing of tape causes Auto azimuth to lose tracking in one direction. Open the top cover and look in to two solid flywheels of Capstans rotating. When the tape is playing in forward direction apply slight finger pressure on the slower left side flywheel ( looking from front) - The tape pulling (tape take up) capstan rotates slightly faster than the one which holds back the other end to maintain the constant tape tension. If the speed differential is not perfect this problem occurs. The tape hold back capstan motor has larger friction causing it to rotate slower than the expected speed. Since this is the take up capstan in reverse play mode and the other motor is slowing down, you do not see this problem . If this is the case the minute you apply slight pressure on the hold back side flywheel the tape will play brilliantly like the reverse play mode. You will also find the Auto Azimuth functions properly like in the other direction. Coming to solution- you better send it to Stephen as it is a difficult job for an in-experienced techies - DD motor disassemby requires quite a skill. Ron should thank his CR7 motor as it is very easy to remove the capstan and clean its bearing surface unlike Dragon! Kannan From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Feb 3 19:28:04 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 01:28:04 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problem & Nak Lube References: <20030130032842.E763411492A@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <01b001c2cbb7$bc039400$b6299bca@smarzuki> Thanks much Kannan for the 'speed differential' idea ! Also would like to remind fellow Naksters to lubricate your Nak's capstans every 2-3 yrs or so especially on continuous running models. Just got a dragon with a good head for the price of dragon's good head - thanks to another hidden nak feature ... called sticky roller shaft ! =) After semi-complete overhaul deck is running top notch. However, I almost freaked out when suddenly tape speed fluctuates, as the dragon has no speed control. After reading Kannan's post below and his email moons ago, I checked the capstans and sure enough the fwd takeup is slightly heavier to turn. Two drops of oil later deck is almost good as new and cover's heat is very much reduced. Additional question to Kannan - or Stephen if you're reading this - how do we adjust the 'capstan torque' using the 2 trimpots on DD board ? I noticed there are 2 test points on that board and figure the idea of finding minimum current for given torque, but how ? Even the manual didn't mention the 2 pots at all. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: kannan_s at vsnl.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 10:28 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon problem Roland You are having the classic Dragon DD motor problem - Speed difference between the Capstans is not OK in forward direction. Certain amount of skewing of tape causes Auto azimuth to lose tracking in one direction. Open the top cover and look in to two solid flywheels of Capstans rotating. When the tape is playing in forward direction apply slight finger pressure on the slower left side flywheel ( looking from front) - The tape pulling (tape take up) capstan rotates slightly faster than the one which holds back the other end to maintain the constant tape tension. If the speed differential is not perfect this problem occurs. The tape hold back capstan motor has larger friction causing it to rotate slower than the expected speed. Since this is the take up capstan in reverse play mode and the other motor is slowing down, you do not see this problem . If this is the case the minute you apply slight pressure on the hold back side flywheel the tape will play brilliantly like the reverse play mode. You will also find the Auto Azimuth functions properly like in the other direction. Coming to solution- you better send it to Stephen as it is a difficult job for an in-experienced techies - DD motor disassemby requires quite a skill. Ron should thank his CR7 motor as it is very easy to remove the capstan and clean its bearing surface unlike Dragon! Kannan From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Feb 3 19:28:04 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 01:28:04 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problem & Nak Lube References: <20030130032842.E763411492A@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <000001c2cbbc$642c24e0$d0299bca@smarzuki> Thanks much Kannan for the 'speed differential' idea ! Also would like to remind fellow Naksters to lubricate your Nak's capstans every 2-3 yrs or so especially on continuous running models. Just got a dragon with a good head for the price of dragon's good head - thanks to another hidden nak feature ... called sticky roller shaft ! =) After semi-complete overhaul deck is running top notch. However, I almost freaked out when suddenly tape speed fluctuates, as the dragon has no speed control. After reading Kannan's post below and his email moons ago, I checked the capstans and sure enough the fwd takeup is slightly heavier to turn. Two drops of oil later deck is almost good as new and cover's heat is very much reduced. Additional question to Kannan - or Stephen if you're reading this - how do we adjust the 'capstan torque' using the 2 trimpots on DD board ? I noticed there are 2 test points on that board and figure the idea of finding minimum current for given torque, but how ? Even the manual didn't mention the 2 pots at all. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: kannan_s at vsnl.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 10:28 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon problem Roland You are having the classic Dragon DD motor problem - Speed difference between the Capstans is not OK in forward direction. Certain amount of skewing of tape causes Auto azimuth to lose tracking in one direction. Open the top cover and look in to two solid flywheels of Capstans rotating. When the tape is playing in forward direction apply slight finger pressure on the slower left side flywheel ( looking from front) - The tape pulling (tape take up) capstan rotates slightly faster than the one which holds back the other end to maintain the constant tape tension. If the speed differential is not perfect this problem occurs. The tape hold back capstan motor has larger friction causing it to rotate slower than the expected speed. Since this is the take up capstan in reverse play mode and the other motor is slowing down, you do not see this problem . If this is the case the minute you apply slight pressure on the hold back side flywheel the tape will play brilliantly like the reverse play mode. You will also find the Auto Azimuth functions properly like in the other direction. Coming to solution- you better send it to Stephen as it is a difficult job for an in-experienced techies - DD motor disassemby requires quite a skill. Ron should thank his CR7 motor as it is very easy to remove the capstan and clean its bearing surface unlike Dragon! Kannan From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Feb 3 19:28:04 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 01:28:04 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problem & Nak Lube References: <20030130032842.E763411492A@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <01ba01c2cbb9$e3a62520$b6299bca@smarzuki> Thanks much Kannan for the 'speed differential' idea ! Also would like to remind fellow Naksters to lubricate your Nak's capstans every 2-3 yrs or so especially on continuous running models. Just got a dragon with a good head for the price of dragon's good head - thanks to another hidden nak feature ... called sticky roller shaft ! =) After semi-complete overhaul deck is running top notch. However, I almost freaked out when suddenly tape speed fluctuates, as the dragon has no speed control. After reading Kannan's post below and his email moons ago, I checked the capstans and sure enough the fwd takeup is slightly heavier to turn. Two drops of oil later deck is almost good as new and cover's heat is very much reduced. Additional question to Kannan - or Stephen if you're reading this - how do we adjust the 'capstan torque' using the 2 trimpots on DD board ? I noticed there are 2 test points on that board and figure the idea of finding minimum current for given torque, but how ? Even the manual didn't mention the 2 pots at all. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: kannan_s at vsnl.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 10:28 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon problem Roland You are having the classic Dragon DD motor problem - Speed difference between the Capstans is not OK in forward direction. Certain amount of skewing of tape causes Auto azimuth to lose tracking in one direction. Open the top cover and look in to two solid flywheels of Capstans rotating. When the tape is playing in forward direction apply slight finger pressure on the slower left side flywheel ( looking from front) - The tape pulling (tape take up) capstan rotates slightly faster than the one which holds back the other end to maintain the constant tape tension. If the speed differential is not perfect this problem occurs. The tape hold back capstan motor has larger friction causing it to rotate slower than the expected speed. Since this is the take up capstan in reverse play mode and the other motor is slowing down, you do not see this problem . If this is the case the minute you apply slight pressure on the hold back side flywheel the tape will play brilliantly like the reverse play mode. You will also find the Auto Azimuth functions properly like in the other direction. Coming to solution- you better send it to Stephen as it is a difficult job for an in-experienced techies - DD motor disassemby requires quite a skill. Ron should thank his CR7 motor as it is very easy to remove the capstan and clean its bearing surface unlike Dragon! Kannan From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Feb 3 19:28:04 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 01:28:04 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problem & Nak Lube References: <20030130032842.E763411492A@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <019b01c2cbb7$649909c0$b6299bca@smarzuki> Thanks much Kannan for the 'speed differential' idea ! Also would like to remind fellow Naksters to lubricate your Nak's capstans every 2-3 yrs or so especially on continuous running models. Just got a dragon with a good head for the price of dragon's good head - thanks to another hidden nak feature ... called sticky roller shaft ! =) After semi-complete overhaul deck is running top notch. However, I almost freaked out when suddenly tape speed fluctuates, as the dragon has no speed control. After reading Kannan's post below and his email moons ago, I checked the capstans and sure enough the fwd takeup is slightly heavier to turn. Two drops of oil later deck is almost good as new and cover's heat is very much reduced. Additional question to Kannan - or Stephen if you're reading this - how do we adjust the 'capstan torque' using the 2 trimpots on DD board ? I noticed there are 2 test points on that board and figure the idea of finding minimum current for given torque, but how ? Even the manual didn't mention the 2 pots at all. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: kannan_s at vsnl.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 10:28 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon problem Roland You are having the classic Dragon DD motor problem - Speed difference between the Capstans is not OK in forward direction. Certain amount of skewing of tape causes Auto azimuth to lose tracking in one direction. Open the top cover and look in to two solid flywheels of Capstans rotating. When the tape is playing in forward direction apply slight finger pressure on the slower left side flywheel ( looking from front) - The tape pulling (tape take up) capstan rotates slightly faster than the one which holds back the other end to maintain the constant tape tension. If the speed differential is not perfect this problem occurs. The tape hold back capstan motor has larger friction causing it to rotate slower than the expected speed. Since this is the take up capstan in reverse play mode and the other motor is slowing down, you do not see this problem . If this is the case the minute you apply slight pressure on the hold back side flywheel the tape will play brilliantly like the reverse play mode. You will also find the Auto Azimuth functions properly like in the other direction. Coming to solution- you better send it to Stephen as it is a difficult job for an in-experienced techies - DD motor disassemby requires quite a skill. Ron should thank his CR7 motor as it is very easy to remove the capstan and clean its bearing surface unlike Dragon! Kannan From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Feb 3 19:28:04 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 01:28:04 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problem & Nak Lube References: <20030130032842.E763411492A@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <01c501c2cbbb$26626260$b6299bca@smarzuki> Thanks much Kannan for the 'speed differential' idea ! Also would like to remind fellow Naksters to lubricate your Nak's capstans every 2-3 yrs or so especially on continuous running models. Just got a dragon with a good head for the price of dragon's good head - thanks to another hidden nak feature ... called sticky roller shaft ! =) After semi-complete overhaul deck is running top notch. However, I almost freaked out when suddenly tape speed fluctuates, as the dragon has no speed control. After reading Kannan's post below and his email moons ago, I checked the capstans and sure enough the fwd takeup is slightly heavier to turn. Two drops of oil later deck is almost good as new and cover's heat is very much reduced. Additional question to Kannan - or Stephen if you're reading this - how do we adjust the 'capstan torque' using the 2 trimpots on DD board ? I noticed there are 2 test points on that board and figure the idea of finding minimum current for given torque, but how ? Even the manual didn't mention the 2 pots at all. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: kannan_s at vsnl.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 10:28 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon problem Roland You are having the classic Dragon DD motor problem - Speed difference between the Capstans is not OK in forward direction. Certain amount of skewing of tape causes Auto azimuth to lose tracking in one direction. Open the top cover and look in to two solid flywheels of Capstans rotating. When the tape is playing in forward direction apply slight finger pressure on the slower left side flywheel ( looking from front) - The tape pulling (tape take up) capstan rotates slightly faster than the one which holds back the other end to maintain the constant tape tension. If the speed differential is not perfect this problem occurs. The tape hold back capstan motor has larger friction causing it to rotate slower than the expected speed. Since this is the take up capstan in reverse play mode and the other motor is slowing down, you do not see this problem . If this is the case the minute you apply slight pressure on the hold back side flywheel the tape will play brilliantly like the reverse play mode. You will also find the Auto Azimuth functions properly like in the other direction. Coming to solution- you better send it to Stephen as it is a difficult job for an in-experienced techies - DD motor disassemby requires quite a skill. Ron should thank his CR7 motor as it is very easy to remove the capstan and clean its bearing surface unlike Dragon! Kannan From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Feb 3 19:28:04 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 01:28:04 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problem & Nak Lube References: <20030130032842.E763411492A@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <000001c2cbda$8799ae20$b5199bca@smarzuki> Thanks much Kannan for the 'speed differential' idea ! Also would like to remind fellow Naksters to lubricate your Nak's capstans every 2-3 yrs or so especially on continuous running models. Just got a dragon with a good head for the price of dragon's good head - thanks to another hidden nak feature ... called sticky roller shaft ! =) After semi-complete overhaul deck is running top notch. However, I almost freaked out when suddenly tape speed fluctuates, as the dragon has no speed control. After reading Kannan's post below and his email moons ago, I checked the capstans and sure enough the fwd takeup is slightly heavier to turn. Two drops of oil later deck is almost good as new and cover's heat is very much reduced. Additional question to Kannan - or Stephen if you're reading this - how do we adjust the 'capstan torque' using the 2 trimpots on DD board ? I noticed there are 2 test points on that board and figure the idea of finding minimum current for given torque, but how ? Even the manual didn't mention the 2 pots at all. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: kannan_s at vsnl.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 10:28 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon problem Roland You are having the classic Dragon DD motor problem - Speed difference between the Capstans is not OK in forward direction. Certain amount of skewing of tape causes Auto azimuth to lose tracking in one direction. Open the top cover and look in to two solid flywheels of Capstans rotating. When the tape is playing in forward direction apply slight finger pressure on the slower left side flywheel ( looking from front) - The tape pulling (tape take up) capstan rotates slightly faster than the one which holds back the other end to maintain the constant tape tension. If the speed differential is not perfect this problem occurs. The tape hold back capstan motor has larger friction causing it to rotate slower than the expected speed. Since this is the take up capstan in reverse play mode and the other motor is slowing down, you do not see this problem . If this is the case the minute you apply slight pressure on the hold back side flywheel the tape will play brilliantly like the reverse play mode. You will also find the Auto Azimuth functions properly like in the other direction. Coming to solution- you better send it to Stephen as it is a difficult job for an in-experienced techies - DD motor disassemby requires quite a skill. Ron should thank his CR7 motor as it is very easy to remove the capstan and clean its bearing surface unlike Dragon! Kannan From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Feb 3 19:28:04 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 01:28:04 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problem & Nak Lube References: <20030130032842.E763411492A@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <000001c2cbdf$9baac200$17299bca@smarzuki> Thanks much Kannan for the 'speed differential' idea ! Also would like to remind fellow Naksters to lubricate your Nak's capstans every 2-3 yrs or so especially on continuous running models. Just got a dragon with a good head for the price of dragon's good head - thanks to another hidden nak feature ... called sticky roller shaft ! =) After semi-complete overhaul deck is running top notch. However, I almost freaked out when suddenly tape speed fluctuates, as the dragon has no speed control. After reading Kannan's post below and his email moons ago, I checked the capstans and sure enough the fwd takeup is slightly heavier to turn. Two drops of oil later deck is almost good as new and cover's heat is very much reduced. Additional question to Kannan - or Stephen if you're reading this - how do we adjust the 'capstan torque' using the 2 trimpots on DD board ? I noticed there are 2 test points on that board and figure the idea of finding minimum current for given torque, but how ? Even the manual didn't mention the 2 pots at all. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: kannan_s at vsnl.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 10:28 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon problem Roland You are having the classic Dragon DD motor problem - Speed difference between the Capstans is not OK in forward direction. Certain amount of skewing of tape causes Auto azimuth to lose tracking in one direction. Open the top cover and look in to two solid flywheels of Capstans rotating. When the tape is playing in forward direction apply slight finger pressure on the slower left side flywheel ( looking from front) - The tape pulling (tape take up) capstan rotates slightly faster than the one which holds back the other end to maintain the constant tape tension. If the speed differential is not perfect this problem occurs. The tape hold back capstan motor has larger friction causing it to rotate slower than the expected speed. Since this is the take up capstan in reverse play mode and the other motor is slowing down, you do not see this problem . If this is the case the minute you apply slight pressure on the hold back side flywheel the tape will play brilliantly like the reverse play mode. You will also find the Auto Azimuth functions properly like in the other direction. Coming to solution- you better send it to Stephen as it is a difficult job for an in-experienced techies - DD motor disassemby requires quite a skill. Ron should thank his CR7 motor as it is very easy to remove the capstan and clean its bearing surface unlike Dragon! Kannan From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Feb 3 19:28:04 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 01:28:04 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problem & Nak Lube References: <20030130032842.E763411492A@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <01b601c2cbb8$fe273ac0$b6299bca@smarzuki> Thanks much Kannan for the 'speed differential' idea ! Also would like to remind fellow Naksters to lubricate your Nak's capstans every 2-3 yrs or so especially on continuous running models. Just got a dragon with a good head for the price of dragon's good head - thanks to another hidden nak feature ... called sticky roller shaft ! =) After semi-complete overhaul deck is running top notch. However, I almost freaked out when suddenly tape speed fluctuates, as the dragon has no speed control. After reading Kannan's post below and his email moons ago, I checked the capstans and sure enough the fwd takeup is slightly heavier to turn. Two drops of oil later deck is almost good as new and cover's heat is very much reduced. Additional question to Kannan - or Stephen if you're reading this - how do we adjust the 'capstan torque' using the 2 trimpots on DD board ? I noticed there are 2 test points on that board and figure the idea of finding minimum current for given torque, but how ? Even the manual didn't mention the 2 pots at all. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: kannan_s at vsnl.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 10:28 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon problem Roland You are having the classic Dragon DD motor problem - Speed difference between the Capstans is not OK in forward direction. Certain amount of skewing of tape causes Auto azimuth to lose tracking in one direction. Open the top cover and look in to two solid flywheels of Capstans rotating. When the tape is playing in forward direction apply slight finger pressure on the slower left side flywheel ( looking from front) - The tape pulling (tape take up) capstan rotates slightly faster than the one which holds back the other end to maintain the constant tape tension. If the speed differential is not perfect this problem occurs. The tape hold back capstan motor has larger friction causing it to rotate slower than the expected speed. Since this is the take up capstan in reverse play mode and the other motor is slowing down, you do not see this problem . If this is the case the minute you apply slight pressure on the hold back side flywheel the tape will play brilliantly like the reverse play mode. You will also find the Auto Azimuth functions properly like in the other direction. Coming to solution- you better send it to Stephen as it is a difficult job for an in-experienced techies - DD motor disassemby requires quite a skill. Ron should thank his CR7 motor as it is very easy to remove the capstan and clean its bearing surface unlike Dragon! Kannan From m.raven at chello.nl Tue Feb 4 09:57:08 2003 From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 09:57:08 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problem & Nak Lube References: <20030130032842.E763411492A@webmail.vsnl.com> <01b101c2cbb7$dee071a0$b6299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <00a901c2cc2b$65ea5030$9e3cbbd4@raveneql1a1eu0> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 7:28 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon problem & Nak Lube Wow, you sent this message 19 times. Are you under heavenly censorship of the Indonesian government? Maurits From jdieguez at wanadoo.es Tue Feb 4 10:42:41 2003 From: jdieguez at wanadoo.es (Javi Dieguez) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 10:42:41 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] More dragon problems... References: <355a4368ef.368ef355a4@indosat.net.id> Message-ID: <01ab01c2cc31$c87a0960$3796243e@javi> To Salim & Kannan & others... Now that you're discussing this issue, maybe you can also help me with my Dragon. I bought it second hand, looks and sounds good, no "serious" problems, the NAAC circuit works good except on 1 tape that consists mainly of speech, the heads cannot seem to find a stable position. But...my main concert is tape speed and heat, and smell!! If I turn on the unit, the capstans begin turning with no tape inside and within minutes there is smell like burnt rubber, or burnt something (??) If I put on a tape and play it, it plays a bit slow compared to my other decks, (for example 1 tape takes 47:10 on my DR-1 and 47:34 on my dragon), and when finished, the tape is rather hot, and of course there's that smell... First of all I guess I must stop using the deck as it is not to prevent causing more damage? Maybe lubricating can cure the problem, but I'd appretiate some precise info about where exactly must I lubricate, and which product is recommended? Thanks!!! Javier ----- Mensaje original ----- De: Para: Enviado: martes 4 de febrero de 2003 0:16 Asunto: Re: RE: [naktalk] Dragon problem & Nak Lube > > Thanks much Kannan for the 'speed differential' idea ! Also would like to > remind fellow Naksters to lubricate your Nak's capstans every 2-3 yrs or so > especially on continuous running models. > > Just got a dragon with a good head for the price of dragon's good head - > thanks to another hidden nak feature ... called sticky roller shaft ! =) > After semi-complete overhaul deck is running top notch. However, I almost > freaked out when suddenly tape speed fluctuates, as the dragon has no speed > control. After reading Kannan's post below and his email moons ago, I > checked the capstans and sure enough the fwd takeup is slightly heavier to > turn. Two drops of oil later deck is almost good as new and cover's heat is > very much reduced. > > Additional question to Kannan - or Stephen if you're reading this - how do > we adjust the 'capstan torque' using the 2 trimpots on DD board ? I noticed > there are 2 test points on that board and figure the idea of finding minimum > current for given torque, but how ? Even the manual didn't mention the 2 > pots at all. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: kannan_s at vsnl.com > Date: Thursday, January 30, 2003 10:28 am > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon problem > > > Roland > > You are having the classic Dragon DD motor problem - Speed > > difference between the Capstans is not OK in forward direction. > > Certain amount of skewing of tape causes Auto azimuth to lose > > tracking in one direction. Open the top cover and look in to two > > solid flywheels of Capstans rotating. When the tape is playing in > > forward direction apply slight finger pressure on the slower left > > side flywheel ( looking from front) - The tape pulling (tape take > > up) capstan rotates slightly faster than the one which holds back > > the other end to maintain the constant tape tension. If the speed > > differential is not perfect this problem occurs. The tape hold > > back capstan motor has larger friction causing it to rotate slower > > than the expected speed. Since this is the take up capstan in > > reverse play mode and the other motor is slowing down, you do not > > see this problem . > > If this is the case the minute you apply slight pressure on the > > hold back side flywheel the tape will play brilliantly like the > > reverse play mode. You will also find the Auto Azimuth functions > > properly like in the other direction. > > > > Coming to solution- you better send it to Stephen as it is a > > difficult job for an in-experienced techies - DD motor disassemby > > requires quite a skill. > > Ron should thank his CR7 motor as it is very easy to remove the > > capstan and clean its bearing surface unlike Dragon! > > Kannan > > > > > From nakmaniak at yahoo.com Tue Feb 4 13:15:21 2003 From: nakmaniak at yahoo.com (nakmaniak) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 04:15:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] More dragon problems... In-Reply-To: <01ab01c2cc31$c87a0960$3796243e@javi> Message-ID: <20030204121521.56493.qmail@web13605.mail.yahoo.com> Sorry again for the error caused by my ISP !! Looks like it's still problematic or maybe I've been temporarily dis-subscribed (first apology message is not posted yet). Javier, several top line naks 68x, dragon etc rotate their capstans continuously so that's normal. In my case there's usually only one side of stuck roller (mostly left =) / capstan - and not both. So you can check the relative 'looseness' between two capstans. But it never hurt to lubricate the capstans anyway. First turn deck off and slightly tilt the deck so that the front plate is higher. From the cassette well, pull the two plastic rings / seal around the capstan base halfway back - put one or two drops of lubricant (i used good motor oil) to each capstan base. Grip the capstans' end and slowly pull the shaft back and forth while twisting them. Several yank and twist later the capstans should feel free, lower the front part of deck, clean shaft using alcohol and you're done ! In my case the heat drop is noticable. If that doesn't help maybe we encountered those creative tinkerers who messed up with the 2 DD gain pots. Let's wait for the pro's comment ! Regarding the speech tape: NAAC works in higher frequency (5k ?) so sometimes on soft intro, speech and piano it got 'confused'. I wish it would stuck to 'base position' but looks like it starts trying from the very beginning. Good luck ! Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Javi Dieguez To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: smarzuki at indosat.net.id ; kannan_s at vsnl.com Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 4:42 PM Subject: [naktalk] More dragon problems... To Salim & Kannan & others... Now that you're discussing this issue, maybe you can also help me with my Dragon. I bought it second hand, looks and sounds good, no "serious" problems, the NAAC circuit works good except on 1 tape that consists mainly of speech, the heads cannot seem to find a stable position. But...my main concert is tape speed and heat, and smell!! If I turn on the unit, the capstans begin turning with no tape inside and within minutes there is smell like burnt rubber, or burnt something (??) If I put on a tape and play it, it plays a bit slow compared to my other decks, (for example 1 tape takes 47:10 on my DR-1 and 47:34 on my dragon), and when finished, the tape is rather hot, and of course there's that smell... First of all I guess I must stop using the deck as it is not to prevent causing more damage? Maybe lubricating can cure the problem, but I'd appretiate some precise info about where exactly must I lubricate, and which product is recommended? Thanks!!! Javier ----- Mensaje original ----- De: Para: naktalk at naks.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From timbarrett at cox.net Tue Feb 4 13:31:57 2003 From: timbarrett at cox.net (timbarrett at cox.net) Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 07:31:57 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] What's responsible for the improvement? Salim....(OT) In-Reply-To: <3E360A14.A92AB8E8@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3E3F6C6D.15811.6F9A5@localhost> Thanks Jim! One call to customer service hooked me up with a very helpful woman who is sending the installation guide and template at no charge. tim On 27 Jan 2003 at 20:41, Jim Volpatti wrote: From: Jim Volpatti Organization: Silent Lucidity To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] What's responsible for the improvement? Salim....(OT) Send reply to: naktalk at naks.com Date sent: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 20:41:56 -0800 > Hi Tim, > > Have you contacted Magnepan directly? If not, here's their contact > information. > > http://www.magnepan.com/1-800-474-1646/contact.html > > I know the tonearm was manufactured in the late 70s/early 80s but > someone there should be able to help. > > If all else fails, speak to Jim Winey himself. As president of the > company, he should have a vested interest in helping his customers. > > Good luck! > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > timbarrett at cox.net wrote: > > > Speaking of pickup arms, is anyone out there familiar with the > > Magnapan Unitrak 1? And, would you have any idea where to find a > > mounting template or what the proper mounting radii is? I've got > > all the hardware but no template. > > > > Tim > > ========-------------------------------------------------------------- > ----========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========-------------------------------------------------------------- > ----========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Feb 4 13:07:11 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 19:07:11 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Sorry !!! References: <20030204092551.46627.qmail@web11007.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002501c2cc45$f3050f40$30299bca@smarzuki> I apologise for the embarassing error caused by my ISP ! Hopefully the problem is solved by now. Salim SM From kannan_s at vsnl.com Tue Feb 4 17:00:01 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 21:30:01 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: More dragon problems... Message-ID: <20030204160001.599AA11497F@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Feb 4 19:12:42 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 18:12:42 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problem & Nak Lube In-Reply-To: <00a901c2cc2b$65ea5030$9e3cbbd4@raveneql1a1eu0> Message-ID: <001301c2cc79$02c0e3e0$932a87d9@oemcomputer> Nah, he's been smokin' those funny cigarettes again! Mary Jane! > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Maurits > Sent: 04 February 2003 08:57 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon problem & Nak Lube > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salim Marzuki" > To: > Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 7:28 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon problem & Nak Lube > > > Wow, you sent this message 19 times. Are you under heavenly censorship of > the Indonesian government? > > > Maurits > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/03 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/03 From n.van.wijnen at home.nl Tue Feb 4 00:56:13 2003 From: n.van.wijnen at home.nl (norman van wijnen) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 00:56:13 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Any manual scanning tips out there? References: <20030130175935.B899C11496D@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <000201c2cc82$47e8f760$0400a7c0@CC132114B> Hi guys, well i scanned the most of that manual (Dragon) in black and white and make tiff files of it. the files are about 100 to 150 kb . (Some more some less) Some scans are done in grey scale because of the print layout details. This can't be done in black and white because of loss of details. to be honest , everytime i scan a manual, the grey scale parts of it makes me experimenting what to choose. I scan in different ways , print the result and choose one . The pdf software (adobe acrobat) makes the scan result a little smaller. I scanned page one in black and white the size was 48 kb. After converting it to a pdf file the size (of the pdf file) was 32 kb. So the pdf software removes unused data or compress a little i think. Well i hope you can do something with it and don't forget that a good scanner maybe the most important part of the game. The Dragon manual was scanned with a Canon 1220 U Scanner. Not to expensive but very good result. greetings Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 6:59 Subject: RE: [naktalk] Any manual scanning tips out there? > I would rate Norman' scanning and converting the service manual as the best work on our Naks.com ftp manuals. I found grey scale 300 DPI scan is minmal for a good clean scan. But the size is quite big. Norman can give us some idea about how he did his Dragon service manual? > Kannan > > ezio_lucenti at tin.it wrote > > From: Ezio [mailto:ezio_lucenti at tin.it] > Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 10:49 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Any manual scanning tips out there? > > > In my humble opinion you should scan at 150 or 200 dpi max and then .... > eventually use a Photoshop plug-in to SHARPEN it .... I have Ultra-Sharpen > pro and works great ... > What about setting up a 4 hands job over the net ? > I mean ,,, you scan ,,, upload your raw files into my FTP server .... I try > to render at the best ... and maybe OCR for the text ... and then I prepare > a PDF file of the manual ... > What would you say ? > > Ciao > > Ezio > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Feb 5 01:36:38 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 19:36:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] More dragon problems... References: <20030204121521.56493.qmail@web13605.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3E405C96.D5F92F41@rcn.com> In my CR-7, I took a bit more trouble to clean and lubricate the capstans. Here's the procedure... First, remove the capstan motor PCB mounting screws and swing the PCB aside. Remove the take-up side capstan backing plate and the belt. This allows removal of both capstans, by pulling to the rear (very tight space, but doable). Thread a rope, saturated with cleaner, through each capstan bearing and work it back and forth several times. Follow with a dry section of the rope. Repeat until the rope comes out clean. Thoroughly clean the capstan shafts as well. Fill the bearings with light machine oil and let it soak into the bearing for a couple of hours. Replace the capstans, putting a couple of drops of oil on each, from the rear. At this point, each capstan would coast for a long time after giving it a twirl. Replaced the belt, backing plate and the PCB, then clean the capstans from the front, removing all traces of oil. This takes longer than lubricating from the front, but I think it makes for smoother operation. Even after this, my capstan motor current is still slightly higher than the spec. -- Ron nakmaniak wrote: > > Sorry again for the error caused by my ISP !! Looks like it's still > problematic or maybe I've been temporarily dis-subscribed (first > apology message is not posted yet). > > Javier, several top line naks 68x, dragon etc rotate their capstans > continuously so that's normal. In my case there's usually only one > side of stuck roller (mostly left =) / capstan - and not both. So you > can check the relative 'looseness' between two capstans. But it never > hurt to lubricate the capstans anyway. > > First turn deck off and slightly tilt the deck so that the front plate > is higher. From the cassette well, pull the two plastic rings / seal > around the capstan base halfway back - put one or two drops of > lubricant (i used good motor oil) to each capstan base. Grip the > capstans' end and slowly pull the shaft back and forth while twisting > them. Several yank and twist later the capstans should feel free, > lower the front part of deck, clean shaft using alcohol and you're done > ! In my case the heat drop is noticable. If that doesn't help maybe > we encountered those creative tinkerers who messed up with the 2 DD > gain pots. Let's wait for the pro's comment ! > > Regarding the speech tape: NAAC works in higher frequency (5k ?) so > sometimes on soft intro, speech and piano it got 'confused'. I wish it > would stuck to 'base position' but looks like it starts trying from the > very beginning. > > Good luck ! > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Javi Dieguez > To: naktalk at naks.com > Cc: smarzuki at indosat.net.id ; kannan_s at vsnl.com > Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 4:42 PM > Subject: [naktalk] More dragon problems... > > To Salim & Kannan & others... > > Now that you're discussing this issue, maybe > you can also help me with my Dragon. > I bought it second hand, looks and sounds good, > no "serious" problems, the NAAC circuit works good > except on 1 tape that consists mainly of speech, the heads > cannot seem to find a stable position. > > But...my main concert is tape speed and heat, and smell!! > > If I turn on the unit, the capstans begin turning with no tape > inside and within minutes there is smell like burnt rubber, or > burnt something (??) > > If I put on a tape and play it, it plays a bit slow compared to my > other decks, > (for example 1 tape takes 47:10 on my DR-1 and 47:34 on my dragon), > and when finished, the tape is rather hot, and of course there's that > smell... > > First of all I guess I must stop using the deck as it is not to prevent > > causing more damage? > > Maybe lubricating can cure the problem, but I'd appretiate some precise > info about where exactly must I lubricate, and which product is > recommended? > > Thanks!!! > > Javier > > ----- Mensaje original ----- > De: > Para: naktalk at naks.com > From mrao at bigpond.net.au Wed Feb 5 09:17:29 2003 From: mrao at bigpond.net.au (Murli Rao) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 19:17:29 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Idler Modification Message-ID: <008c01c2ccef$06e47240$7b00a8c0@HOME> Hello, I have recently bought a Nak CR-7, but I am not sure if it has gone through the Idler modification. 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Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei http://premiummail.yahoo.de From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Feb 5 12:30:48 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 18:30:48 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] eBay Germany - NAKs recently sold References: <20030205090201.34136.qmail@web13503.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000801c2cd18$ed33cf60$8d199bca@smarzuki> Ron, so many CR4e at good prices but 'nur nach Deutschland'. Seems like it's a popular model over there ! http://listings.ebay.de/aw/plistings/list/category27795/index.html?from=R11 Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Jens-M. Arndt To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 4:02 PM Subject: [naktalk] eBay Germany - NAKs recently sold I don't know whether anybody is interested but below please find some recent ebay-germany auctions (all decks claimed to be in excellent condition). jens dragon: 822 euro / abt 770 usd --- http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=27795&item=3309038689& rd=1 From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Feb 5 12:38:29 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 18:38:29 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Idler Modification References: <008c01c2ccef$06e47240$7b00a8c0@HOME> Message-ID: <000901c2cd18$edc33e20$8d199bca@smarzuki> Hi Murli, There are 2 small screws at the top corners of the black backplate inside cassette well. Carefully open both screws - as most of the times they fell inside the deck ! The gear or idler drive is behind the backplate, try to 'peek' by getting the top part of backplate fell forward. Hopefully you'll see a small white gear instead of black rubber roller =) Enjoy your new deck ! Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Murli Rao To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 3:17 PM Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Idler Modification Hello, I have recently bought a Nak CR-7, but I am not sure if it has gone through the Idler modification. Does anyone know how to tell if this modification has be done on it? Also, what is the difference between CR-7 & CR-7A models? Any info regarding this is most appreciated. Thanks Murli From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Feb 5 13:53:00 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 19:53:00 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] More dragon problems... References: <20030204121521.56493.qmail@web13605.mail.yahoo.com> <3E405C96.D5F92F41@rcn.com> Message-ID: <000b01c2cd18$f0937520$8d199bca@smarzuki> Ugh I forgot the cleaning part ! Thanks for the rope trick / tips Ron. I agree that this method is doable - just be careful to remember what washer goes where. I managed to mix n match the springs behind my first 482 capstans dissasembly and got a wonderful wow after that. No spring on dragon though, just 2 washers on each shaft and 4 washers on backplate. Ron, how do you measure motor's current on the pcb ? Anyway I just replaced the rock hard idler rubber on dragon ... only a sadist would require a complete disassembly just to get to those rubber !!! Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 7:36 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] More dragon problems... In my CR-7, I took a bit more trouble to clean and lubricate the capstans. Here's the procedure... First, remove the capstan motor PCB mounting screws and swing the PCB aside. Remove the take-up side capstan backing plate and the belt. This allows removal of both capstans, by pulling to the rear (very tight space, but doable). Thread a rope, saturated with cleaner, through each capstan bearing and work it back and forth several times. Follow with a dry section of the rope. Repeat until the rope comes out clean. Thoroughly clean the capstan shafts as well. Fill the bearings with light machine oil and let it soak into the bearing for a couple of hours. Replace the capstans, putting a couple of drops of oil on each, from the rear. At this point, each capstan would coast for a long time after giving it a twirl. Replaced the belt, backing plate and the PCB, then clean the capstans from the front, removing all traces of oil. This takes longer than lubricating from the front, but I think it makes for smoother operation. Even after this, my capstan motor current is still slightly higher than the spec. -- Ron From croquetgod at yahoo.com Wed Feb 5 15:06:50 2003 From: croquetgod at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jens-M.=20Arndt?=) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 15:06:50 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] eBay Germany - NAKs recently sold In-Reply-To: <000801c2cd18$ed33cf60$8d199bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <20030205140650.22753.qmail@web13504.mail.yahoo.com> salim, I have made a mistake when calculating the USD equivalent. I still have to get used to the fact that the euro is more than one dollar (present roe of abt 1.07 USD/EURO, but I calculated 1.07 EURO/USD). However it doesn't make a big difference, below please find the revised usd figures. In case you are really interested in one of the NAKs being offered on eBay germany I would suggest that you simply approach the seller. I believe most of them would in the end agree to ship their NAKs overseas as long as the buyer is paying them in advance. Please drop me a mail in case you (or anybody else here at naktalks) should require some translation assistance etc.. Jens dragon: 822 euro / abt 943 usd --- http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=27795&item=3309038689&rd=1 rx505e: 343 euro / abt 367 usd --- http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=14980&item=3003613816&rd=1 rx505: abt 329 euro / 355 usd (ebay-us) ----- http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4784&item=3004349075&rd=1 582 plus receiver 530: 183 euro / abt 196 usd ---- http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=27795&item=3308153523&rd=1 cr4e: 160 euro / abt 171 usd ---- http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=27795&item=3308651010&rd=1 cr4: 126 euro / abt 135 usd ---- http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3309823171&category=27795 lx 5: 132 euro / abt 141 usd ---- http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=27795&item=3308654426&rd=1 and.. revox b215: 401 euro / abt 429 usd --- http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=14980&item=3004920250&rd=1 --- Salim Marzuki schrieb: > > Ron, so many CR4e at good prices but 'nur nach > Deutschland'. Seems like > it's a popular model over there ! ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei http://premiummail.yahoo.de From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Wed Feb 5 15:20:10 2003 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 15:20:10 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] eBay Germany - NAKs recently sold In-Reply-To: <000801c2cd18$ed33cf60$8d199bca@smarzuki> References: <20030205090201.34136.qmail@web13503.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030205151855.00a78e60@box.tin.it> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Feb 5 15:46:52 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 09:46:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Idler Modification References: <008c01c2ccef$06e47240$7b00a8c0@HOME> <000901c2cd18$edc33e20$8d199bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3E4123DC.A9609719@rcn.com> Also: the CR-7 is an international deck (110V/220V/240v). The CR-7 is for the US market (110V only). Otherwise, they are identical. -- Ron Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Hi Murli, > > There are 2 small screws at the top corners of the black backplate inside > cassette well. Carefully open both screws - as most of the times they fell > inside the deck ! The gear or idler drive is behind the backplate, try to > 'peek' by getting the top part of backplate fell forward. Hopefully you'll > see a small white gear instead of black rubber roller =) > > Enjoy your new deck ! > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Murli Rao > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 3:17 PM > Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Idler Modification > > Hello, > > I have recently bought a Nak CR-7, but I am not sure if it has gone through > the Idler modification. Does anyone know how to tell if this modification > has be done on it? > > Also, what is the difference between CR-7 & CR-7A models? > > Any info regarding this is most appreciated. > > Thanks > > Murli > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Feb 5 15:54:31 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 09:54:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] eBay Germany - NAKs recently sold References: <20030205090201.34136.qmail@web13503.mail.yahoo.com> <000801c2cd18$ed33cf60$8d199bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3E4125A7.66EC2838@rcn.com> Yes, I looked and wept... Reminds me of the song from 'Follies': I'm betwixt and between, The things that I want, I don't seem to get. The things that I get... You know what I mean. -- Ron Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Ron, so many CR4e at good prices but 'nur nach Deutschland'. Seems like > it's a popular model over there ! > > http://listings.ebay.de/aw/plistings/list/category27795/index.html?from=R11 > > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jens-M. Arndt > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 4:02 PM > Subject: [naktalk] eBay Germany - NAKs recently sold > > I don't know whether anybody is interested but below > please find some recent ebay-germany auctions (all > decks claimed to be in excellent condition). > > jens > > dragon: 822 euro / abt 770 usd > --- > http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=27795&item=3309038689& > rd=1 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Feb 5 15:57:17 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 09:57:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] More dragon problems... References: <20030204121521.56493.qmail@web13605.mail.yahoo.com> <3E405C96.D5F92F41@rcn.com> <000b01c2cd18$f0937520$8d199bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3E41264D.9086A67B@rcn.com> Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Ugh I forgot the cleaning part ! Thanks for the rope trick / tips Ron. > > I agree that this method is doable - just be careful to remember what washer > goes where. I managed to mix n match the springs behind my first 482 > capstans dissasembly and got a wonderful wow after that. No spring on > dragon though, just 2 washers on each shaft and 4 washers on backplate. > Ron, how do you measure motor's current on the pcb ? Very easy. There is a 5.6 ohm resistor in series with the +12V supply. Measure the voltage across it and divide by 5.6 (or whatever the value of the resistor is in your deck). -- Ron > > Anyway I just replaced the rock hard idler rubber on dragon ... only a > sadist would require a complete disassembly just to get to those rubber !!! > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ron > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 7:36 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] More dragon problems... > > In my CR-7, I took a bit more trouble to clean and lubricate > the capstans. Here's the procedure... > > First, remove the capstan motor PCB mounting screws and swing > the PCB aside. Remove the take-up side capstan backing plate and > the belt. This allows removal of both capstans, by pulling to > the rear (very tight space, but doable). > > Thread a rope, saturated with cleaner, through each capstan > bearing and work it back and forth several times. Follow with > a dry section of the rope. Repeat until the rope comes out clean. > Thoroughly clean the capstan shafts as well. Fill the bearings > with light machine oil and let it soak into the bearing for a > couple of hours. Replace the capstans, putting a couple of drops > of oil on each, from the rear. At this point, each capstan would > coast for a long time after giving it a twirl. > > Replaced the belt, backing plate and the PCB, then clean the > capstans from the front, removing all traces of oil. > > This takes longer than lubricating from the front, but I think > it makes for smoother operation. Even after this, my capstan > motor current is still slightly higher than the spec. > > -- Ron > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Feb 5 16:01:06 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 10:01:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Idler Modification References: <008c01c2ccef$06e47240$7b00a8c0@HOME> <000901c2cd18$edc33e20$8d199bca@smarzuki> <3E4123DC.A9609719@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3E412732.80213EA3@rcn.com> Ooops... I meant to say, "The CR-7A is for the US market (110V only)." Ron wrote: > > Also: the CR-7 is an international deck (110V/220V/240V). The > CR-7 is for the US market (110V only). Otherwise, they are > identical. > > -- Ron > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > Hi Murli, > > > > There are 2 small screws at the top corners of the black backplate inside > > cassette well. Carefully open both screws - as most of the times they fell > > inside the deck ! The gear or idler drive is behind the backplate, try to > > 'peek' by getting the top part of backplate fell forward. Hopefully you'll > > see a small white gear instead of black rubber roller =) > > > > Enjoy your new deck ! > > Salim SM > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Murli Rao > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 3:17 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Idler Modification > > > > Hello, > > > > I have recently bought a Nak CR-7, but I am not sure if it has gone through > > the Idler modification. Does anyone know how to tell if this modification > > has be done on it? > > > > Also, what is the difference between CR-7 & CR-7A models? > > > > Any info regarding this is most appreciated. > > > > Thanks > > > > Murli > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kurtis.bahr at lmco.com Wed Feb 5 16:43:40 2003 From: kurtis.bahr at lmco.com (Bahr, Kurtis) Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 10:43:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Idler Modification Message-ID: <0C73AA5F720CD311AC2A0008C7DBA9B406CF0CC5@emss09m13.ems.lmco.com> I am still using an idler tire in my CR-7a. Guess I'm now considering buying the kit incase I need to install someday. Does Nak still have these for sale? Kurtis -----Original Message----- From: Ron [mailto:ra.ah at rcn.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 10:01 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7 Idler Modification Ooops... I meant to say, "The CR-7A is for the US market (110V only)." Ron wrote: > > Also: the CR-7 is an international deck (110V/220V/240V). The CR-7 is > for the US market (110V only). Otherwise, they are identical. > > -- Ron > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > Hi Murli, > > > > There are 2 small screws at the top corners of the black backplate > > inside cassette well. Carefully open both screws - as most of the > > times they fell inside the deck ! The gear or idler drive is behind > > the backplate, try to 'peek' by getting the top part of backplate > > fell forward. Hopefully you'll see a small white gear instead of > > black rubber roller =) > > > > Enjoy your new deck ! > > Salim SM > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Murli Rao > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 3:17 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Idler Modification > > > > Hello, > > > > I have recently bought a Nak CR-7, but I am not sure if it has gone > > through the Idler modification. Does anyone know how to tell if this > > modification has be done on it? > > > > Also, what is the difference between CR-7 & CR-7A models? > > > > Any info regarding this is most appreciated. > > > > Thanks > > > > Murli > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From josephj69 at juno.com Wed Feb 5 17:00:13 2003 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 11:00:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] need FTP info Message-ID: <20030205.110014.-254433.3.josephj69@juno.com> Hi guys, I know this question has been asked a million times, but I lost the scrap of paper I wrote the info on. Can someone please forward the log on info for the FTP? Thanks, Joe ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From kannan_s at vsnl.com Wed Feb 5 17:27:41 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 21:57:41 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] More dragon problems... Message-ID: <20030205162741.E5D631149E1@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Feb 5 18:27:52 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 12:27:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] need FTP info References: <20030205.110014.-254433.3.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <3E414998.CF43F1E8@rcn.com> User: naktalk Password: dragon josephj69 at juno.com wrote: > > Hi guys, > > I know this question has been asked a million times, but I lost the scrap > of paper I wrote the info on. Can someone please forward the log on info > for the FTP? > > Thanks, > Joe > > ________________________________________________________________ > Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today > Only $9.95 per month! > Visit www.juno.com > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From aferro at televen.com Wed Feb 5 19:44:07 2003 From: aferro at televen.com (Antonio Ferro) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 14:44:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] need FTP info References: <20030205.110014.-254433.3.josephj69@juno.com> <3E414998.CF43F1E8@rcn.com> Message-ID: <006901c2cd46$91d1b640$bb0fde81@televen.com> http://support.naks.com/support username: naktalk password: dragon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 1:27 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] need FTP info > > User: naktalk > Password: dragon > > josephj69 at juno.com wrote: > > > > Hi guys, > > > > I know this question has been asked a million times, but I lost the scrap > > of paper I wrote the info on. Can someone please forward the log on info > > for the FTP? > > > > Thanks, > > Joe > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today > > Only $9.95 per month! > > Visit www.juno.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > From m.raven at chello.nl Thu Feb 6 00:01:56 2003 From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 00:01:56 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] need FTP info References: <20030205.110014.-254433.3.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <001401c2cd6a$950e8760$9e3cbbd4@raveneql1a1eu0> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 5:00 PM Subject: [naktalk] need FTP info > Hi guys, > > I know this question has been asked a million times, but I lost the scrap > of paper I wrote the info on. Can someone please forward the log on info > for the FTP? It's very easy to search in your e-mail inbox. In Outlook Express: Edit > Find > Message > password incoming upload pass: s3rv1c3 download: naktalk/dragon Maurits From nakmaniak at yahoo.com Thu Feb 6 03:03:32 2003 From: nakmaniak at yahoo.com (nakmaniak) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 18:03:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Idler Modification In-Reply-To: <0C73AA5F720CD311AC2A0008C7DBA9B406CF0CC5@emss09m13.ems.lmco.com> Message-ID: <20030206020332.18961.qmail@web13604.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Kurtis, Depending on the price, you might want to consider getting a CR1 or 2 and transfer the gear drive to your CR7. With recent ebay germany prices you should be able to find plenty of supply ! Good luck Salim SM --- "Bahr, Kurtis" wrote: > I am still using an idler tire in my CR-7a. Guess I'm now > considering > buying the kit incase I need to install someday. Does Nak still have > these > for sale? > > Kurtis > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron [mailto:ra.ah at rcn.com] > Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 10:01 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7 Idler Modification > > > > Ooops... I meant to say, "The CR-7A is for the US market > (110V only)." > > Ron wrote: > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From nakmaniak at yahoo.com Thu Feb 6 03:23:43 2003 From: nakmaniak at yahoo.com (nak maniak) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 18:23:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] eBay Germany - NAKs recently sold In-Reply-To: <20030205140650.22753.qmail@web13504.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20030206022343.52822.qmail@web13603.mail.yahoo.com> Thank you Jens for your kind offer! If it's not for the high shipping cost I'd bid on many 'needs work' items =) for example a 'defekt' MR-1: http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3309183620&category=27795 for 2 Euro ... you guys are practically throwing things away ! Best regards, Salim SM (ISP acting up again) --- "Jens-M. Arndt" wrote: > salim, > > I have made a mistake when calculating the USD > equivalent. I still have to get used to the fact that > the euro is more than one dollar (present roe of abt > 1.07 USD/EURO, but I calculated 1.07 EURO/USD). > > However it doesn't make a big difference, below please > find the revised usd figures. > > In case you are really interested in one of the NAKs > being offered on eBay germany I would suggest that you > simply approach the seller. I believe most of them > would in the end agree to ship their NAKs overseas as > long as the buyer is paying them in advance. Please > drop me a mail in case you (or anybody else here at > naktalks) should require some translation assistance > etc.. > > Jens > > dragon: 822 euro / abt 943 usd > --- > http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=27795&item=3309038689&rd=1 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From croquetgod at yahoo.com Thu Feb 6 09:42:14 2003 From: croquetgod at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jens-M.=20Arndt?=) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 09:42:14 +0100 (CET) Subject: was: [naktalk] CR-7 Idler Modification - RX505 spares In-Reply-To: <20030206020332.18961.qmail@web13604.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20030206084214.7369.qmail@web13505.mail.yahoo.com> @ salim / any other expert My RX505E should arrive within the next few days... Although it is claimed to be in mint condition and I am a bit nervous about the sparepart situation. What NAK - apart from the RX505(E) itself - can be recommended as a good source for spareparts? Thanks Jens --- nakmaniak schrieb: > > Hi Kurtis, > > Depending on the price, you might want to consider > getting a CR1 or 2 > and transfer the gear drive to your CR7. With > recent ebay germany > prices you should be able to find plenty of supply ! > > Good luck > Salim SM > > > --- "Bahr, Kurtis" wrote: > > I am still using an idler tire in my CR-7a. Guess > I'm now > > considering > > buying the kit incase I need to install someday. > Does Nak still have > > these > > for sale? > > > > Kurtis > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ron [mailto:ra.ah at rcn.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 10:01 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7 Idler Modification > > > > > > > > Ooops... I meant to say, "The CR-7A is for the US > market > > (110V only)." > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up > now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei http://premiummail.yahoo.de From croquetgod at yahoo.com Thu Feb 6 09:56:43 2003 From: croquetgod at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jens-M.=20Arndt?=) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 09:56:43 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] eBay Germany - NAKs recently sold In-Reply-To: <20030206022343.52822.qmail@web13603.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20030206085643.8467.qmail@web13505.mail.yahoo.com> @ salim just checked shipping cost at "deutsche post". charges to indonesia are crazy: 8-12 kos @ 64,50 euro (abt 70 usd) as from march 2003: 5-10 kos @ 50 euro 10-20 kos @ 80 euro I very much doubt it would be cheaper with any courier service.. jens --- nak maniak schrieb: > > Thank you Jens for your kind offer! > > If it's not for the high shipping cost I'd bid on > many 'needs work' > items =) for example a 'defekt' MR-1: > > http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3309183620&category=27795 > > for 2 Euro ... you guys are practically throwing > things away ! > > Best regards, > Salim SM (ISP acting up again) > ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei http://premiummail.yahoo.de From nicy at ya.com Thu Feb 6 10:11:30 2003 From: nicy at ya.com (JGascon) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 10:11:30 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Idler Modification References: <20030206020332.18961.qmail@web13604.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000f01c2cdbf$bf327d80$8f2b3b50@PcComunero> Hi Salim, CR1-2 decks have the gear drive instaled? It´s the same gear drive that is required in CR7? Javier and ----- Original Message ----- From: "nakmaniak" To: Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 3:03 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7 Idler Modification > > Hi Kurtis, > > Depending on the price, you might want to consider getting a CR1 or 2 > and transfer the gear drive to your CR7. With recent ebay germany > prices you should be able to find plenty of supply ! > > Good luck > Salim SM > > > --- "Bahr, Kurtis" wrote: > > I am still using an idler tire in my CR-7a. Guess I'm now > > considering > > buying the kit incase I need to install someday. Does Nak still have > > these > > for sale? > > > > Kurtis > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ron [mailto:ra.ah at rcn.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 10:01 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7 Idler Modification > > > > > > > > Ooops... I meant to say, "The CR-7A is for the US market > > (110V only)." > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Feb 6 10:28:06 2003 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 02:28:06 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Idler Modification References: <20030206020332.18961.qmail@web13604.mail.yahoo.com> <000f01c2cdbf$bf327d80$8f2b3b50@PcComunero> Message-ID: <036b01c2cdc2$0f12b930$483442cf@steve> The CR-1/2/3/4 were all made only with the gear drive. It is an identical mech to the CR-7, EXCEPT that the CR-7/5 have motion sensing on both reels, so you would have to transfer the black/silver foil ring from the back of the old supply reel table to the supply reel from the gear drive deck. Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer Talking Dog Transducer Company http://stephensank.com 5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] (temporarily using home address, due to imminent shop move) 505-332-0336 Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer Payments preferred through Paypal.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "JGascon" To: Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 2:11 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7 Idler Modification > Hi Salim, > CR1-2 decks have the gear drive instaled? > It´s the same gear drive that is required in CR7? > Javier > > and ----- Original Message ----- > From: "nakmaniak" > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 3:03 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7 Idler Modification > > > > > > Hi Kurtis, > > > > Depending on the price, you might want to consider getting a CR1 or 2 > > and transfer the gear drive to your CR7. With recent ebay germany > > prices you should be able to find plenty of supply ! > > > > Good luck > > Salim SM > > > > > > --- "Bahr, Kurtis" wrote: > > > I am still using an idler tire in my CR-7a. Guess I'm now > > > considering > > > buying the kit incase I need to install someday. Does Nak still have > > > these > > > for sale? > > > > > > Kurtis > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Ron [mailto:ra.ah at rcn.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 10:01 AM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7 Idler Modification > > > > > > > > > > > > Ooops... I meant to say, "The CR-7A is for the US market > > > (110V only)." > > > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > From nicy at ya.com Thu Feb 6 10:41:04 2003 From: nicy at ya.com (JGascon) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 10:41:04 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Idler Modification References: <20030206020332.18961.qmail@web13604.mail.yahoo.com> <000f01c2cdbf$bf327d80$8f2b3b50@PcComunero> <036b01c2cdc2$0f12b930$483442cf@steve> Message-ID: <000f01c2cdc3$dee8a2e0$8f2b3b50@PcComunero> Thank you very much Stephen. Javier ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7 Idler Modification > The CR-1/2/3/4 were all made only with the gear drive. It is an identical > mech to the CR-7, EXCEPT that the CR-7/5 have motion sensing on both reels, > so you would have to transfer the black/silver foil ring from the back of > the old supply reel table to the supply reel from the gear drive deck. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer > Talking Dog Transducer Company > http://stephensank.com > 5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] (temporarily using home address, due to > imminent shop move) > 505-332-0336 > Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer > Payments preferred through Paypal.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JGascon" > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 2:11 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7 Idler Modification > > > > Hi Salim, > > CR1-2 decks have the gear drive instaled? > > It´s the same gear drive that is required in CR7? > > Javier > > > > and ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "nakmaniak" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 3:03 AM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7 Idler Modification > > > > > > > > > > Hi Kurtis, > > > > > > Depending on the price, you might want to consider getting a CR1 or 2 > > > and transfer the gear drive to your CR7. With recent ebay germany > > > prices you should be able to find plenty of supply ! > > > > > > Good luck > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > --- "Bahr, Kurtis" wrote: > > > > I am still using an idler tire in my CR-7a. Guess I'm now > > > > considering > > > > buying the kit incase I need to install someday. Does Nak still have > > > > these > > > > for sale? > > > > > > > > Kurtis > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Ron [mailto:ra.ah at rcn.com] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 10:01 AM > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7 Idler Modification > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ooops... I meant to say, "The CR-7A is for the US market > > > > (110V only)." > > > > > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > > > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > From mrao at bigpond.net.au Thu Feb 6 11:31:24 2003 From: mrao at bigpond.net.au (Murli Rao) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 21:31:24 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Idler Modification References: <0C73AA5F720CD311AC2A0008C7DBA9B406CF0CC5@emss09m13.ems.lmco.com> Message-ID: <004f01c2cdca$e631b3a0$7b00a8c0@HOME> Now that I own a CR-7, I have half a mind to sell my NAK ZX-7 (in excellent condition). Any offers?? Comment: I still find the retro styling of ZX-7 more pleasing than the sleek looks of CR-7. Also, the metals & Alloys used in the ZX-7 mechanism seem to be of a be of a better quality than the ones used in the CR-7's. Having said that, the recordings on CR-7's do have a slightly higher resolution than the ZX-7. Any comments?? Thanks for all your contributions on this thread. Murli ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bahr, Kurtis" To: Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 2:43 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7 Idler Modification > I am still using an idler tire in my CR-7a. Guess I'm now considering > buying the kit incase I need to install someday. Does Nak still have these > for sale? > > Kurtis > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron [mailto:ra.ah at rcn.com] > Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 10:01 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7 Idler Modification > > > > Ooops... I meant to say, "The CR-7A is for the US market > (110V only)." > > Ron wrote: > > > > Also: the CR-7 is an international deck (110V/220V/240V). The CR-7 is > > for the US market (110V only). Otherwise, they are identical. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > > Hi Murli, > > > > > > There are 2 small screws at the top corners of the black backplate > > > inside cassette well. Carefully open both screws - as most of the > > > times they fell inside the deck ! The gear or idler drive is behind > > > the backplate, try to 'peek' by getting the top part of backplate > > > fell forward. Hopefully you'll see a small white gear instead of > > > black rubber roller =) > > > > > > Enjoy your new deck ! > > > Salim SM > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Murli Rao > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 3:17 PM > > > Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Idler Modification > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > I have recently bought a Nak CR-7, but I am not sure if it has gone > > > through the Idler modification. Does anyone know how to tell if this > > > modification has be done on it? > > > > > > Also, what is the difference between CR-7 & CR-7A models? > > > > > > Any info regarding this is most appreciated. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Murli > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > To maintain your account please go here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > From jmtooley at ce.net Thu Feb 6 14:32:29 2003 From: jmtooley at ce.net (jmtooley at ce.net) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 08:32:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] FAULTY TD 700 I In-Reply-To: <008501c2a334$c3c6ae80$0100a8c6@darwin> References: <008501c2a334$c3c6ae80$0100a8c6@darwin> Message-ID: <1044538349.3e4263ed4c3fd@mail.ce.net> Try Stephen Sank at bk11 at thuntek.net John T. Quoting Christian Hardouin : > I am looking deperately for spares of the TD 700 such as main PCB .please > help if you ca. > > > From kurtis.bahr at lmco.com Thu Feb 6 15:37:07 2003 From: kurtis.bahr at lmco.com (Bahr, Kurtis) Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 09:37:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Idler Modification Message-ID: <0C73AA5F720CD311AC2A0008C7DBA9B406CF0CCA@emss09m13.ems.lmco.com> I've owned a 481, 581, 582, 680, LX-5 and my CR-7a definitely has higher resolution than any of these. I would like to hear a Dragon someday to compare. I believe the reason for the better sound is that many of the other units I've mentioned hear utilize decoupling capacitors. These Naks do not have the high end electroyltics designed for high end audio that make much nicer decoupling caps. The CR-7a is designed so it does not require decoupling capacitors throughout. These normal decoupling caps actually act like filter that can eliminate that open high end sound. Kurtis -----Original Message----- From: Murli Rao [mailto:mrao at bigpond.net.au] Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 5:31 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7 Idler Modification Now that I own a CR-7, I have half a mind to sell my NAK ZX-7 (in excellent condition). Any offers?? Comment: I still find the retro styling of ZX-7 more pleasing than the sleek looks of CR-7. Also, the metals & Alloys used in the ZX-7 mechanism seem to be of a be of a better quality than the ones used in the CR-7's. Having said that, the recordings on CR-7's do have a slightly higher resolution than the ZX-7. Any comments?? Thanks for all your contributions on this thread. Murli ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bahr, Kurtis" To: Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 2:43 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7 Idler Modification > I am still using an idler tire in my CR-7a. Guess I'm now considering > buying the kit incase I need to install someday. Does Nak still have these > for sale? > > Kurtis > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron [mailto:ra.ah at rcn.com] > Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 10:01 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7 Idler Modification > > > > Ooops... I meant to say, "The CR-7A is for the US market (110V only)." > > Ron wrote: > > > > Also: the CR-7 is an international deck (110V/220V/240V). The CR-7 > > is for the US market (110V only). Otherwise, they are identical. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > > Hi Murli, > > > > > > There are 2 small screws at the top corners of the black backplate > > > inside cassette well. Carefully open both screws - as most of the > > > times they fell inside the deck ! The gear or idler drive is > > > behind the backplate, try to 'peek' by getting the top part of > > > backplate fell forward. Hopefully you'll see a small white gear > > > instead of black rubber roller =) > > > > > > Enjoy your new deck ! > > > Salim SM > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Murli Rao > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 3:17 PM > > > Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Idler Modification > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > I have recently bought a Nak CR-7, but I am not sure if it has > > > gone through the Idler modification. Does anyone know how to tell > > > if this modification has be done on it? > > > > > > Also, what is the difference between CR-7 & CR-7A models? > > > > > > Any info regarding this is most appreciated. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Murli > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To > > > maintain your account please go here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Thu Feb 6 19:55:07 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 00:25:07 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Rope trick? - Dragon motor problems Message-ID: <20030206185507.E3849114920@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Feb 6 19:56:30 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 01:56:30 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] FAULTY TD 700 I References: <008501c2a334$c3c6ae80$0100a8c6@darwin> Message-ID: <002501c2ce13$a3afc0a0$ab299bca@smarzuki> Hi Christian, Best bet is to scavenge from ebay. I'm willing to let mine go, but you may be located on the other side of the globe where shipping could easily cost another 700 from ebay =) Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Christian Hardouin To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 12:50 PM Subject: [naktalk] FAULTY TD 700 I I am looking deperately for spares of the TD 700 such as main PCB .please help if you ca. From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Feb 6 20:11:12 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 02:11:12 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] More dragon problems... References: <20030205162741.E5D631149E1@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <002601c2ce13$a43da8c0$ab299bca@smarzuki> Hi Kannan, Just finished my third dragon dis & re-assembly of the week - for the forgotten cleaning part. I thought the bearing was as long as the shaft but there were 2 bearings on each shaft each approx 1cm long in front and back part of shaft housing (made the cleaning job a lot easier). Eventhough bearings weren't any 'dirty' as I thought, now DD pcb heat is even less than main electronincs ! Amazing. Javier, I wish your problem is as simple as this. In addition to removing the DD pcb (only one small screw & disconnect cables), you'd need to let loose the power supply pcb in order to pull the capstan from the back. Ron, for future reference - what is the specified current needed for the CR7 motor ? Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: kannan_s at vsnl.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 11:27 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] More dragon problems... Ron On all old Nak mechanisms and motor drive board, there is no resistor between the power supply and drive circuit like the one you find on Sankyo DD motor circuits. So the best method is to cut the cable ( in Dragon multi wire cable connects the power to the DD motor drive board) and insert a small resistor to check the current drawn. Most of the times I found no need for that. You can tell that something wrong by touching those 8 drive transistor in Dragon drive board! Incase of this Dragon the speed problem is due to mainly the friction and probably the drive IC which may become flaky/ or the trimpot?? - Also some portion of the board solder comes off the solder joint. These two problems were discussed earlier. So Javier can try lubricating the shaft / bearing housing and see if it improves or takes it to Somebody capable of checking all possible reasons Kannan ra.ah at rcn.com wrote Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Ugh I forgot the cleaning part ! Thanks for the rope trick / tips Ron. > > I agree that this method is doable - just be careful to remember what washer > goes where. I managed to mix n match the springs behind my first 482 > capstans dissasembly and got a wonderful wow after that. No spring on > dragon though, just 2 washers on each shaft and 4 washers on backplate. > Ron, how do you measure motor's current on the pcb ? Very easy. There is a 5.6 ohm resistor in series with the +12V supply. Measure the voltage across it and divide by 5.6 (or whatever the value of the resistor is in your deck). -- Ron > > Anyway I just replaced the rock hard idler rubber on dragon ... only a > sadist would require a complete disassembly just to get to those rubber !!! > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ron > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 7:36 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] More dragon problems... > > In my CR-7, I took a bit more trouble to clean and lubricate > the capstans. Here's the procedure... > > First, remove the capstan motor PCB mounting screws and swing > the PCB aside. Remove the take-up side capstan backing plate and > the belt. This allows removal of both capstans, by pulling to > the rear (very tight space, but doable). > > Thread a rope, saturated with cleaner, through each capstan > bearing and work it back and forth several times. Follow with > a dry section of the rope. Repeat until the rope comes out clean. > Thoroughly clean the capstan shafts as well. Fill the bearings > with light machine oil and let it soak into the bearing for a > couple of hours. Replace the capstans, putting a couple of drops > of oil on each, from the rear. At this point, each capstan would > coast for a long time after giving it a twirl. > > Replaced the belt, backing plate and the PCB, then clean the > capstans from the front, removing all traces of oil. > > This takes longer than lubricating from the front, but I think > it makes for smoother operation. Even after this, my capstan > motor current is still slightly higher than the spec. > > -- Ron > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Feb 6 20:50:12 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 02:50:12 +0700 Subject: was: [naktalk] CR-7 Idler Modification - RX505 spares References: <20030206084214.7369.qmail@web13505.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005b01c2ce18$f6ac0200$ab299bca@smarzuki> Jens .. me no expert ! only one naknut. The 505 has old nak mechanism ... so parts are as plenty - and as rare - as 48x etc up to zx7. Like Stephen (the real expert =) says, those 'real nak' mechanisms are like energizer bunnies, keep going on with little maintenance. I think my 482 will even outlast me ... Also thanks for the shipping cost information. I once bought a decent tuner from ebay and the resulting total cost could get me a used tandberg over here ! So for now I can only look as far as singapore ... (hi Kelvin !). Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Jens-M. Arndt To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 3:42 PM Subject: RE: was: [naktalk] CR-7 Idler Modification - RX505 spares @ salim / any other expert My RX505E should arrive within the next few days... Although it is claimed to be in mint condition and I am a bit nervous about the sparepart situation. What NAK - apart from the RX505(E) itself - can be recommended as a good source for spareparts? Thanks Jens --- nakmaniak schrieb: > > Hi Kurtis, From kannan_s at vsnl.com Thu Feb 6 21:31:37 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 02:01:37 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Idler Mod/ RX505 spares -shipping cost Message-ID: <20030206203137.E363B114932@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Thu Feb 6 23:32:43 2003 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 22:32:43 +0000 Subject: was: [naktalk] CR-7 Idler Modification - RX505 spares Message-ID: Hi Salim, Didn't know you had a TD700 as well, but figures since you've got just about everything else! Is your TD700 non-functioning? Does it still have an intact loading gear? You may remeber a long time ago last year when I was looking for a replacement loading gear (when I was still living in UK then) but couldn't find one! Well, now that I'm in Malaysia, it's even more difficult to get one so if you have spares.............. Kelvin. >From: Salim Marzuki >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: was: [naktalk] CR-7 Idler Modification - RX505 spares >Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 02:50:12 +0700 > > >Jens .. me no expert ! only one naknut. > >The 505 has old nak mechanism ... so parts are as plenty - and as rare - as >48x etc up to zx7. Like Stephen (the real expert =) says, those 'real nak' >mechanisms are like energizer bunnies, keep going on with little >maintenance. I think my 482 will even outlast me ... > >Also thanks for the shipping cost information. I once bought a decent >tuner >from ebay and the resulting total cost could get me a used tandberg over >here ! So for now I can only look as far as singapore ... (hi Kelvin !). > >Cheers, >Salim SM > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Jens-M. Arndt >To: naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 3:42 PM >Subject: RE: was: [naktalk] CR-7 Idler Modification - RX505 spares > > >@ salim / any other expert > >My RX505E should arrive within the next few days... >Although it is claimed to be in mint condition and I >am a bit nervous about the sparepart situation. > >What NAK - apart from the RX505(E) itself - can be >recommended as a good source for spareparts? > >Thanks >Jens > > > > --- nakmaniak schrieb: > > > Hi Kurtis, > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Overloaded with spam? With MSN 8, you can filter it out http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&pgmarket=en-gb&XAPID=32&DI=1059 From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Feb 7 02:05:34 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 08:05:34 +0700 Subject: was: [naktalk] CR-7 Idler Modification - RX505 spares References: Message-ID: <001001c2ce45$079d2680$32299bca@smarzuki> Howdy neighbour ! Most of the stuff I found were in 'needs work' mode, therefore the great price. Thanks much to the long distance guru for getting back the dead and keeping the acquisition spirit high =) =). I do have a TD500 which I bought solely as head spare - but after some cleaning etc the whole unit works. Loading mechanism has intermittent problem so I decided to cannibalise the tone pots for 700 (the 500 still works with bypassed tone board). You can pay just the shipping cost for the 500 unit without head & tone pots. Or I can look for a working 700 here, usually there's one in 2-3 months time and they go for about USD 85 - or TD500 around usd 55. I'll try my best to review the unit but more than once I found out later on some 'creative engineering' inside (like malfunctioning stereo head wired in mono) .... tough life. Best regards, Salim SM ps: have you checked www.zenn.com.sg in sin ? good used tables at great price ! ----- Original Message ----- From: winnie pooh To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 5:32 AM Subject: Re: was: [naktalk] CR-7 Idler Modification - RX505 spares Hi Salim, Didn't know you had a TD700 as well, but figures since you've got just about everything else! Is your TD700 non-functioning? Does it still have an intact loading gear? You may remeber a long time ago last year when I was looking for a replacement loading gear (when I was still living in UK then) but couldn't find one! Well, now that I'm in Malaysia, it's even more difficult to get one so if you have spares.............. Kelvin. From gaderson at mac.com Fri Feb 7 02:00:53 2003 From: gaderson at mac.com (Erik Gaderlund) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 17:00:53 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Idler Mod/ RX505 spares -shipping cost In-Reply-To: <20030206203137.E363B114932@webmail.vsnl.com> References: <20030206203137.E363B114932@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: At 02:01 +0530 02/07/03, kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: >Salim >congrats for learning to salvage Dragons( you are located very near >to the Dragon land)- shipping cost in US itself is frightening >incase you want to salvage some machine to get parts. > >Clever ebay sellers are selling pulled out parts of 480 / MR1 recently. Hmm, I've got a MR-1 (off eBay), but, I like the rack mount, and better price, just doing some tape to computer capture, and am having problems with the mechanism eating tapes. Though being a Nak, it does stop before any real damage is done. I can sometimes fast-foward and rewind, then it'll play past the spot, otherwise if I just rewind it stops at the same place each time. erik g From josephj69 at juno.com Fri Feb 7 04:27:28 2003 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 22:27:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: PA-5II manual Message-ID: <20030206.222740.-278115.28.josephj69@juno.com> Thanks for the FTP info guys. Unfortunately, what I need is not on there. Does anyone have an owner's manual for the PA-5II. A copy of the original brochure would help too. Thanks, Joe On Wed, 5 Feb 2003 14:44:07 -0400 "Antonio Ferro" writes: > http://support.naks.com/support > > username: naktalk > password: dragon > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 1:27 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] need FTP info > > > > > > User: naktalk > > Password: dragon > > > > josephj69 at juno.com wrote: > > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > I know this question has been asked a million times, but I lost > the > scrap > > > of paper I wrote the info on. Can someone please forward the > log on > info > > > for the FTP? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Joe > > > ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From zaffel at zonnet.nl Fri Feb 7 04:48:04 2003 From: zaffel at zonnet.nl (Peter Crusifix) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 04:48:04 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Cassettedeck 1.5 Message-ID: <004101c2ce5b$b8cd4000$0a883b3e@default> Hello, I can buy the Nakamichi cassettedeck 1.5, is this a good cassettedeck? Why and what can be the problems? What is the best second hand price? Greetz, Peter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From croquetgod at yahoo.com Fri Feb 7 12:14:25 2003 From: croquetgod at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jens-M.=20Arndt?=) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 12:14:25 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] Transportation Fastening Jig: Necessary? Message-ID: <20030207111425.14008.qmail@web13508.mail.yahoo.com> While going through the RX505 owner's manual (special thanks to the guys who made same available for download at http://support.naks.com/support !) I noticed that there is a transport fasting jig on the bottom panel of the deck which should be used for shipping. My RX505 will be shipped within the next 2 days. Will it do any harm to the deck in case it will not be shipped with the transport fastening jig in place? Thanks Jens ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei http://premiummail.yahoo.de From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Feb 7 19:19:09 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 13:19:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] More dragon problems... References: <20030205162741.E5D631149E1@webmail.vsnl.com> <002601c2ce13$a43da8c0$ab299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3E43F89D.80688A2E@rcn.com> Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Hi Kannan, > > [........] > > Ron, for future reference - what is the specified current needed for the CR7 > motor ? The voltages shown across the resistor are +12V and +11.7V. The nominal resistor value is 5.6 ohms. This makes the nominal current: 12 - 11.3 --------- = 53.6 mA 5.6 Of course, to calculate actual current, you would use values measured on the deck itself. I would say that +/- 20% is OK. -- Ron From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Feb 7 19:25:11 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 13:25:11 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Transportation Fastening Jig: Necessary? References: <20030207111425.14008.qmail@web13508.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3E43FA07.73853EB@rcn.com> "Jens-M. Arndt" wrote: > > While going through the RX505 owner's manual (special > thanks to the guys who made same available for > download at http://support.naks.com/support !) I > noticed that there is a transport fasting jig on the > bottom panel of the deck which should be used for > shipping. > > My RX505 will be shipped within the next 2 days. > > Will it do any harm to the deck in case it will not be > shipped with the transport fastening jig in place? > > Thanks > Jens > To be honest, I don't know. But. if Nak engineers put it there, I would assume that it is needed and use it. -- Ron From caldwell at cvtel.net Sat Feb 8 02:50:25 2003 From: caldwell at cvtel.net (Scott Caldwell) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 19:50:25 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Another one for the map Message-ID: <3E440E01.4015.104B86F@localhost> Hi, Please add me to the map. I am 48, live in Southern Minnesota and have owned a ZX-7 since new (1982?). Regards, Scott Caldwell From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Sat Feb 8 05:20:03 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 15:20:03 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Transportation Fastening Jig: Necessary? Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201ECA@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Jens. When my RX505 was sent from New Mexico to Melbourne Australia, the jig was not fastened. The sender (the great Stephen Sank), had packed the unit so well with a foam type blanket and then in another cover, and then double boxed it, that the cassette compartiment had no way of opening during transport. You can however make your own jig using some decent gage metal and some cutting/bending. Hope this helps Jens. Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Jens-M. Arndt [mailto:croquetgod at yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, 7 February 2003 10:14 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Transportation Fastening Jig: Necessary? While going through the RX505 owner's manual (special thanks to the guys who made same available for download at http://support.naks.com/support !) I noticed that there is a transport fasting jig on the bottom panel of the deck which should be used for shipping. My RX505 will be shipped within the next 2 days. Will it do any harm to the deck in case it will not be shipped with the transport fastening jig in place? Thanks Jens ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei http://premiummail.yahoo.de ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Feb 8 06:17:53 2003 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 22:17:53 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Idler Mod/MR-1 References: <20030206203137.E363B114932@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <063d01c2cf31$6fcdca60$483442cf@steve> Since it repeats the stopping at the same spot on a tape, it is clear that you have the gear drive, but the reel drive motor has developed "dead spots". You either have to replace the motor, or take it apart & throughly clean the brushes & commutator, making sure to clean between the contact plates of the commutator. Then apply a coating of silicone spray lub to the commutator, some light silcone grease to the back bearing & shaft, then carefully re-assemble. Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer Talking Dog Transducer Company http://stephensank.com 5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] (temporarily using home address, due to imminent shop move) 505-332-0336 Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer Payments preferred through Paypal.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erik Gaderlund" To: Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 6:00 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7 Idler Mod/ RX505 spares -shipping cost > At 02:01 +0530 02/07/03, kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > >Salim > >congrats for learning to salvage Dragons( you are located very near > >to the Dragon land)- shipping cost in US itself is frightening > >incase you want to salvage some machine to get parts. > > > >Clever ebay sellers are selling pulled out parts of 480 / MR1 recently. > > Hmm, I've got a MR-1 (off eBay), but, I like the rack mount, and > better price, just doing some tape to computer capture, and am having > problems with the mechanism eating tapes. Though being a Nak, it > does stop before any real damage is done. I can sometimes > fast-foward and rewind, then it'll play past the spot, otherwise if I > just rewind it stops at the same place each time. > > erik g > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > From wfreisleben at wi.rr.com Sat Feb 8 16:55:58 2003 From: wfreisleben at wi.rr.com (Bill Freisleben) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 09:55:58 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Database Message-ID: <000601c2cf8a$92a9e740$6400a8c0@freislebhoexap> Add me to the list of Nak owners. I moved up to Nak in 2002 by buying a 482 and an MR-2. Bill Freisleben Waukesha, Wisconsin USA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Graham -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of wme drewes Sent: 10 February 2003 08:23 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] CR 7 'doors' Hi,can anyone advise me where I can get(worldwide) CR 7 or CR 5 doors for 2 CR 7 decks. These can be used or new from service centres or individuals ! You may eMail me direct. thanks ! Walter Drewes --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/03 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Rather than finally replace the idler, I bought an upgraded BX-300 recently. -Sandy -- Sandy Cash Durham, NC "The time for change is here and here we are, we're just for you!" - Funkadelic ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dorian Dyer" To: Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 11:52 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Database > please include me too. I started out with my Dad's 1000 II back in 1979. I > now own an MR-2 and a ZX-7 > > Dorian Dyer > Miami, FL > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com] On Behalf Of > Bill Freisleben > Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 10:56 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Database > > > > Add me to the list of Nak owners. I moved up to Nak in 2002 by buying a 482 > and an MR-2. > > > > Bill Freisleben > > Waukesha, Wisconsin USA > > From blueswapper at angelfire.com Tue Feb 11 03:04:35 2003 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 18:04:35 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nak RX-505 Transport Jig (Essential Use!!!) Message-ID: Greetings NakTalkers friends..... Be careful with any package shipping of an RX-505 without the Nak designed transport fastening jig! Its an essential precaution made for this particular deck. When I purchased my RX-505 many years ago, the jig was used with success. This little jig holds the entire cassette flipping mechanism tight when transporting the deck, and the reason is that the transport mechanism is quite fragile and prone to misalignment if really bumped around during long-distance handling & mailing. Just take a look at the graphics shown on the RX-505 brochure pages to realise how vulnerable the mechanism can become to misalignment when shipping the deck: http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nak505c.html If at all possible, use the Nak jig as intended. Indeed, what Tom S suggests is a good alternative, but make very sure that the sender bubble wraps around the deck and snugly uses wide packaging adhesive to extra firmly hold the bubble wrap to the deck's outer frame and front cassette cover. Around the bubble wrap I suggest the styropoam kernals generously poured to allow no shifting within the box. A commitment from the sender should be made before accepting shipment. Double box for shipping should also be a requirement (even if costs increase), to protect our black beauties from the nasty treatment sometimes wielded by international postal services. Learn from the experiences of others, rather than weep the unfortunate results of careless packaging and unforeseen shipping damages that really do happen on occasion. Regards, K.J. Bleus Madison, Wisc USA Lat 43o04'N, Long 89o24'W --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper -----Original Message----- Hi Jens. When my RX505 was sent from New Mexico to Melbourne Australia, the jig was not fastened. The sender (Stephen Sank), had packed the unit so well with a foam type blanket and then in another cover, and then double boxed it, that the cassette compartiment had no way of opening during transport. You can however make your own jig using some decent gage metal and some cutting/bending. Hope this helps Jens. Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Other Original Message----- From: Jens-M. Arndt [mailto:croquetgod at yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, 7 February 2003 10:14 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Transportation Fastening Jig: Necessary? While going through the RX505 owner's manual (special thanks to the guys who made same available for download at http://support.naks.com/support !) I noticed that there is a transport fasting jig on the bottom panel of the deck which should be used for shipping. My RX505 will be shipped within the next 2 days. Will it do any harm to the deck in case it will not be shipped with the transport fastening jig in place? Thanks Jens ____________________________________________________________ Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus From croquetgod at yahoo.com Tue Feb 11 08:28:10 2003 From: croquetgod at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jens-M.=20Arndt?=) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 08:28:10 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] Nak RX-505 Transport Jig (Essential Use!!!) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030211072810.61681.qmail@web13502.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks a lot for your detailed reply. I sincerely hope that the seller has used the jig... Jens --- The BlueSwapper schrieb: > Greetings NakTalkers friends..... > > Be careful with any package shipping of an RX-505 > without the Nak designed transport fastening jig! > Its an essential precaution made for this particular > deck. When I purchased my RX-505 many years ago, > the jig was used with success. This little jig > holds the entire cassette flipping mechanism tight > when transporting the deck, and the reason is that > the transport mechanism is quite fragile and prone > to misalignment if really bumped around during > long-distance handling & mailing. Just take a look > at the graphics shown on the RX-505 brochure pages > to realise how vulnerable the mechanism can become > to misalignment when shipping the deck: > > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nak505c.html > > If at all possible, use the Nak jig as intended. > > Indeed, what Tom S suggests is a good alternative, > but make very sure that the sender bubble wraps > around the deck and snugly uses wide packaging > adhesive to extra firmly hold the bubble wrap to the > deck's outer frame and front cassette cover. Around > the bubble wrap I suggest the styropoam kernals > generously poured to allow no shifting within the > box. A commitment from the sender should be made > before accepting shipment. Double box for shipping > should also be a requirement (even if costs > increase), to protect our black beauties from the > nasty treatment sometimes wielded by international > postal services. Learn from the experiences of > others, rather than weep the unfortunate results of > careless packaging and unforeseen shipping damages > that really do happen on occasion. > > Regards, > > K.J. Bleus > Madison, Wisc USA > Lat 43o04'N, Long 89o24'W > ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei http://premiummail.yahoo.de From croquetgod at yahoo.com Tue Feb 11 11:21:24 2003 From: croquetgod at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jens-M.=20Arndt?=) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 11:21:24 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] Any Recommendation for Audio Cassette ? TDK SA-90? Message-ID: <20030211102124.92629.qmail@web13501.mail.yahoo.com> Hello there, (probably this question has been discussed before but it's a bit difficult to search the naktalk archives. any link to a previous discussion of this tape issue would be very much appreciated) what kind of audio cassette would you recommend for a RX505E? my local shop has following TDK tapes available: TDK SA-60 @ 1.15 euro TDK SA-90 @ 1.30 euro TDK SAXS-60 @ 1.09 euro TDK MA-60 @ 2.20 euro plus some cassettes named "CDeeing" or similar. are TDK tapes good at all? (I used to take them some 10 years ago) are the metal MA tapes worth the higher price compared to the SA? what is the difference between SA and SAXS ? any other suggestions? (sony, fuji etc..) thanks for your kind advice jens ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei http://premiummail.yahoo.de From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Tue Feb 11 12:21:27 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 13:21:27 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Any Recommendation for Audio Cassette ? TDK SA-90? JENS!! Message-ID: Hi Jens, All valid quesitons. Firstly TDK are perfectly fine tapes. Most of what you buy in Europe are assembled in Luxembourg as far as I remember. Just looking at your pricelist, the shopkeeper must have a small eroor on the pircing of the SA-XS 60s or they are slightly older stock than his current SA 60. Therefore, unless you have a major problem with 60 minute tape lengths, grab plenty of those. From croquetgod at yahoo.com Tue Feb 11 12:46:43 2003 From: croquetgod at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jens-M.=20Arndt?=) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 12:46:43 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] Any Recommendation for Audio Cassette ? TDK SA-90? JENS!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030211114643.62486.qmail@web13504.mail.yahoo.com> Mark, thank you very much for this quick & detailed reply. I do not foresee any problems with 60 minutes tapes (although some cd's are longer than 60 min). So I will go for the SAXS 60. Bye Jens --- Mark Hugo schrieb: > Hi Jens, > > All valid quesitons. Firstly TDK are perfectly fine > tapes. Most of what you buy in Europe are assembled > in Luxembourg as far as I remember. Just looking at > your pricelist, the shopkeeper must have a small > eroor on the pircing of the SA-XS 60s or they are > slightly older stock than his current SA 60. > Therefore, unless you have a major problem with 60 > minute tape lengths, grab plenty of those. > > From the factory, the internal trimpots of Nakamichi > decks were always set for TDK tapes. However, this > is onoy a theoretical consideration for two reasons. > Many of the better Naks, such as yours can be > adjusted for the characteristics of the tape in use > with the bias control. The other thing is that the > tape "formulation" tended to change (deliberately by > the manufacturer) from year to year. So, if you use > a RX-505 built in '86 and buy a TDK SA in 1997, or > for that matter, 2003, it reallly doesn't matter > much as you will be tuning the tape in anyway from > the front panel of you deck. > > The MA is worth the extra money to my mind, but with > SA-XS at that price get as amny of the SA-XS that > you can afford. > > The SA has a single layer "Super Avylin" coating. > This is a doped cobalt formula as far as I know. I > personally prefer other type IIs to this one (such > as Maxell XLII, Sony UX and Fuji K2). My expereince > is that it is rather sensitive to excess level, and > magnetic retentivity is a bit below par. However, I > recently heard a recording done on a CR-7 with this > tape, and it was faultless. Some of the best SA > recordings I have heard were no-Dolby recordings > peaking at about +0.5dB. You should be able to buy > this tape for less than the indicated E1.15-E1.30. > > The SA-X and SA-XS features a reverse coating of > this formula (Super Avylin) as well. This results > in better magnetic retentivity and an ability to > soak up additional level, but with minimal > print-through. It is also brighter and more > exciting although just as quiet as the SA. This > makes it an unusually dynamic tape, perhaps the best > of its class. Perfect Nakamichi food. Price-wise, > this is a "deal". > > The MA is of course a Type IV, MA standing for > "Metal Alloy". It is a sort of reference point > metal owing to the fact that you can usually get it. > It can take piles of level without saturation or > compression of high frequencies. Fellow Naktalkers > have drawn attention to the lightweight mechanism > (same mech as it's sibling SA and SA-X). However, > the mechanism will not give you any trouble. Expect > a powerful tonality thoughout the spectrum, but > particularly in the treble which may require a touch > of bias. The price seems right here. > > TDK CDing are budget entry level type IIs with > low-cost mechanisms, slip sheets and shells. They > are the match of Sony CDit. Rather stick with the > mainstream lines. > > In regard to other worthwhile cassettes, consider > Maxell XLII and Maxell XLII-S, Sony UX and UX-S(the > latter should be available in Germany from what I've > seen), Maxell MX-S for special occasions, Sony Metal > -SR for delicate recordings, the better Fujis like > K2 and Metal - Z. > > Your RX-505 will be marked for EX, SX and ZX > cassettes. These equate to TDK AD, TDK SA and TDK > MA. The AD has a fresh, upbeat sound that I quite > like. It's not very Dolby friendly, and does need > the manual tuning you have on your RX-505 to sound > its best. It does however have amazing output (thus > ability to handle level) for a type I. > > Good luck, > > Marc > > > >>> croquetgod at yahoo.com 02/11/03 12:21PM >>> > Hello there, > > (probably this question has been discussed before > but > it's a bit difficult to search the naktalk archives. > any link to a previous discussion of this tape issue > would be very much appreciated) > > what kind of audio cassette would you recommend for > a > RX505E? > > my local shop has following TDK tapes available: > > TDK SA-60 @ 1.15 euro > TDK SA-90 @ 1.30 euro > TDK SAXS-60 @ 1.09 euro > TDK MA-60 @ 2.20 euro > > plus some cassettes named "CDeeing" or similar. > > are TDK tapes good at all? (I used to take them some > 10 years ago) > are the metal MA tapes worth the higher price > compared > to the SA? > what is the difference between SA and SAXS ? > any other suggestions? (sony, fuji etc..) > > thanks for your kind advice > > jens > > > > > > ===== > 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf > Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina > Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in > einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. > Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) > > __________________________________________________________________ > > Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de > Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei > http://premiummail.yahoo.de > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > The information contained in this email is > confidential and may be subject > to legal privilege. 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Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei http://premiummail.yahoo.de From g_valkov at hotmail.com Tue Feb 11 19:28:21 2003 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 20:28:21 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Any Recommendation for Audio Cassette ? TDK SA-90? JENS!! Message-ID: May I just step in and mention that every single "Luxembourg" TDK cassette I have laid my hands on in the last 4-5 years, from D to MA, has been total and utter rubbish. I am never using European branded/sourced TDK ever again. The same is fully valid for their VHS tapes from the same origin. George ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Jens-M. Arndt" Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Any Recommendation for Audio Cassette ? TDK SA-90? JENS!! Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 12:46:43 +0100 (CET) Mark, thank you very much for this quick & detailed reply. I do not foresee any problems with 60 minutes tapes (although some cd's are longer than 60 min). So I will go for the SAXS 60. Bye Jens _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From croquetgod at yahoo.com Tue Feb 11 19:54:34 2003 From: croquetgod at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jens-M.=20Arndt?=) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 19:54:34 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] Any Recommendation for Audio Cassette ? TDK SA-90? JENS!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030211185434.44737.qmail@web13508.mail.yahoo.com> George, probably your hands are electrified...(just kidding). could you be a bit more precise: what exactly has been "total and utter rubish"? and - even more important: what is your recommendation? Jens --- George Valkov schrieb: > May I just step in and mention that every single > "Luxembourg" TDK cassette I > have laid my hands on in the last 4-5 years, from D > to MA, has been total > and utter rubbish. I am never using European > branded/sourced TDK ever again. > The same is fully valid for their VHS tapes from the > same origin. > > George > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Jens-M. Arndt" > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Any Recommendation for Audio > Cassette ? TDK SA-90? > JENS!! > Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 12:46:43 +0100 (CET) > > Mark, > > thank you very much for this quick & detailed reply. > > I do not foresee any problems with 60 minutes tapes > (although some cd's are longer than 60 min). > > So I will go for the SAXS 60. > > Bye > Jens > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months > FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei http://premiummail.yahoo.de From khmerideth at anderson.edu Tue Feb 11 20:13:43 2003 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 14:13:43 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Any Recommendation for Audio Cassette ? TDK SA-90? JENS!! Message-ID: Hello Jens, Would have to support others on the Sony UX line, with the -S and -ES being successively better. Their best Type II tape is/was -Pro, but I'm judging this by the "Made in Japan" version only. The Pro series has a shell like Maxell XLII-S and a ceramic tape path guide. This gives a more rigid package, but the composite material, supposedly, dampens out vibrations, which reduce modulation induced into the tape path. Reducing this modulation results in a cleaner signal. My collection is mostly TDK, then Maxell, with a few Fuji, Sony and BASF thrown in the mix. The older TDK SA (mid 70's to 80's) have some noticeable dropouts and print-through (signal transfer from one layer of tape to the adjacent layer in the pack). The Maxell UDXL-II and XLII tapes had less problem with this. The Type II Sony and Fuji seemed to have less susceptibility to the drop outs and print-through. The Type II BASF only seemed to have "some" problem with print-through. Since the BASF are quieter (less tape hiss), the slight print-through may be easier to hear than those with more background hiss. Most of my collection is on 90 minute cassettes. There would be less problem with print-through on 60, or 46, minute tapes. The best method is to obtain some samples of each of the available tape and test them out. This will not tell you how well they will hold up over time (long-term drop outs & print-through), but will let you determine which ones give the truest representation of the applied signals. Others Naktalkers may fill us in on their long-term experience of signal retention. Best regards to all, Kent Indiana, U.S.A. >>> croquetgod at yahoo.com 02/11/03 06:46AM >>> Mark, thank you very much for this quick & detailed reply. I do not foresee any problems with 60 minutes tapes (although some cd's are longer than 60 min). So I will go for the SAXS 60. Bye Jens --- Mark Hugo schrieb: > Hi Jens, > > All valid quesitons. Firstly TDK are perfectly fine > tapes. Most of what you buy in Europe are assembled > in Luxembourg as far as I remember. Just looking at > your pricelist, the shopkeeper must have a small > eroor on the pircing of the SA-XS 60s or they are > slightly older stock than his current SA 60. > Therefore, unless you have a major problem with 60 > minute tape lengths, grab plenty of those. > > From the factory, the internal trimpots of Nakamichi > decks were always set for TDK tapes. However, this > is onoy a theoretical consideration for two reasons. > Many of the better Naks, such as yours can be > adjusted for the characteristics of the tape in use > with the bias control. The other thing is that the > tape "formulation" tended to change (deliberately by > the manufacturer) from year to year. So, if you use > a RX-505 built in '86 and buy a TDK SA in 1997, or > for that matter, 2003, it reallly doesn't matter > much as you will be tuning the tape in anyway from > the front panel of you deck. > > The MA is worth the extra money to my mind, but with > SA-XS at that price get as amny of the SA-XS that > you can afford. > > The SA has a single layer "Super Avylin" coating. > This is a doped cobalt formula as far as I know. I > personally prefer other type IIs to this one (such > as Maxell XLII, Sony UX and Fuji K2). My expereince > is that it is rather sensitive to excess level, and > magnetic retentivity is a bit below par. However, I > recently heard a recording done on a CR-7 with this > tape, and it was faultless. Some of the best SA > recordings I have heard were no-Dolby recordings > peaking at about +0.5dB. You should be able to buy > this tape for less than the indicated E1.15-E1.30. > > The SA-X and SA-XS features a reverse coating of > this formula (Super Avylin) as well. This results > in better magnetic retentivity and an ability to > soak up additional level, but with minimal > print-through. It is also brighter and more > exciting although just as quiet as the SA. This > makes it an unusually dynamic tape, perhaps the best > of its class. Perfect Nakamichi food. Price-wise, > this is a "deal". > > The MA is of course a Type IV, MA standing for > "Metal Alloy". It is a sort of reference point > metal owing to the fact that you can usually get it. > It can take piles of level without saturation or > compression of high frequencies. Fellow Naktalkers > have drawn attention to the lightweight mechanism > (same mech as it's sibling SA and SA-X). However, > the mechanism will not give you any trouble. Expect > a powerful tonality thoughout the spectrum, but > particularly in the treble which may require a touch > of bias. The price seems right here. > > TDK CDing are budget entry level type IIs with > low-cost mechanisms, slip sheets and shells. They > are the match of Sony CDit. Rather stick with the > mainstream lines. > > In regard to other worthwhile cassettes, consider > Maxell XLII and Maxell XLII-S, Sony UX and UX-S(the > latter should be available in Germany from what I've > seen), Maxell MX-S for special occasions, Sony Metal > -SR for delicate recordings, the better Fujis like > K2 and Metal - Z. > > Your RX-505 will be marked for EX, SX and ZX > cassettes. These equate to TDK AD, TDK SA and TDK > MA. The AD has a fresh, upbeat sound that I quite > like. It's not very Dolby friendly, and does need > the manual tuning you have on your RX-505 to sound > its best. It does however have amazing output (thus > ability to handle level) for a type I. > > Good luck, > > Marc > > > >>> croquetgod at yahoo.com 02/11/03 12:21PM >>> > Hello there, > > (probably this question has been discussed before > but > it's a bit difficult to search the naktalk archives. > any link to a previous discussion of this tape issue > would be very much appreciated) > > what kind of audio cassette would you recommend for > a > RX505E? > > my local shop has following TDK tapes available: > > TDK SA-60 @ 1.15 euro > TDK SA-90 @ 1.30 euro > TDK SAXS-60 @ 1.09 euro > TDK MA-60 @ 2.20 euro > > plus some cassettes named "CDeeing" or similar. > > are TDK tapes good at all? (I used to take them some > 10 years ago) > are the metal MA tapes worth the higher price > compared > to the SA? > what is the difference between SA and SAXS ? > any other suggestions? (sony, fuji etc..) > > thanks for your kind advice > > jens > > > > > > ===== > 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf > Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina > Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in > einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. > Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) > > __________________________________________________________________ > > Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de > Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei > http://premiummail.yahoo.de > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > The information contained in this email is > confidential and may be subject > to legal privilege. 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Message-ID: Jens, Further to my earlier flaming of european-made TDK and assuming you are in Germany, I would strongly recommend that you go for the Chrome Maxima TPII and Metal Maxima TP IV (if you can find the Metal, since I think they are now discontinued) Reference series of BASF/EMTEC. Incredible 3-piece shell and fantastic tape. Forget about european-made products from japanese producers, with the exception of the UK-made Maxells, which are relatively good. The French Sonys are not much better than the Luxembourg TDK products. I would still take a Made in Japan TDK or Sony over any other tape, unless things have gone badly downhill over there as well, but the crap they make/sell in Europe is not worth further mention. George ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Kent Merideth" Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: , Subject: Re: [naktalk] Any Recommendation for Audio Cassette ? TDKSA-90? JENS!! Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 14:13:43 -0500 Hello Jens, Would have to support others on the Sony UX line, with the -S and -ES being successively better. Their best Type II tape is/was -Pro, but I'm judging this by the "Made in Japan" version only. The Pro series has a shell like Maxell XLII-S and a ceramic tape path guide. This gives a more rigid package, but the composite material, supposedly, dampens out vibrations, which reduce modulation induced into the tape path. Reducing this modulation results in a cleaner signal. My collection is mostly TDK, then Maxell, with a few Fuji, Sony and BASF thrown in the mix. The older TDK SA (mid 70's to 80's) have some noticeable dropouts and print-through (signal transfer from one layer of tape to the adjacent layer in the pack). The Maxell UDXL-II and XLII tapes had less problem with this. The Type II Sony and Fuji seemed to have less susceptibility to the drop outs and print-through. The Type II BASF only seemed to have "some" problem with print-through. Since the BASF are quieter (less tape hiss), the slight print-through may be easier to hear than those with more background hiss. Most of my collection is on 90 minute cassettes. There would be less problem with print-through on 60, or 46, minute tapes. The best method is to obtain some samples of each of the available tape and test them out. This will not tell you how well they will hold up over time (long-term drop outs & print-through), but will let you determine which ones give the truest representation of the applied signals. Others Naktalkers may fill us in on their long-term experience of signal retention. Best regards to all, Kent Indiana, U.S.A. >>> croquetgod at yahoo.com 02/11/03 06:46AM >>> Mark, thank you very much for this quick & detailed reply. I do not foresee any problems with 60 minutes tapes (although some cd's are longer than 60 min). So I will go for the SAXS 60. Bye Jens _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Feb 11 22:02:52 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 21:02:52 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Any Recommendation for Audio Cassette ? TDK SA-90? JENS!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000601c2d210$f0d81d40$d8d4883e@oemcomputer> I wouldn't go quite that far, but close! As I see it, the main problem with the European TDK tapes is the quality of the cassette, not necessarily the tape inside them. They beggar the azimuth ... I have to re-set it each side of the cassette, and by quite some margin, when I am recording on the ZX9. Graham > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > George Valkov > Sent: 11 February 2003 18:28 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Any Recommendation for Audio Cassette ? TDK > SA-90? JENS!! > > > May I just step in and mention that every single "Luxembourg" TDK > cassette I > have laid my hands on in the last 4-5 years, from D to MA, has been total > and utter rubbish. I am never using European branded/sourced TDK > ever again. > The same is fully valid for their VHS tapes from the same origin. > > George > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/03 From roleo at telus.net Tue Feb 11 23:15:43 2003 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 14:15:43 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Introducing: Audiotalk References: <6908.62.72.223.42.1044281335.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <000701c2d21b$1e911610$8075059a@desktop> Is this deck made by the same company that made the famous Nakamichi transports -- Sankyo? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3007631055&category=4784 From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Feb 12 07:53:11 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 13:53:11 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Graham's Day Message-ID: <000901c2d263$70e75800$02299bca@smarzuki> Happy Birthday Graham ! May this year brings you full of audio happiness. To keep this Nak related ... a 48x is best suited for the occasion, don't you think ? =) Cheers, Salim SM From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Wed Feb 12 07:46:53 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 08:46:53 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Any Recommendation for Audio Cassette ? TDK SA-90? JENS!! Message-ID: George and Graham, Sorry to hear about your experiences with Luxembourgeois TDKs. George, was it is the alignment / azimuth problems that you experienced (as referred to by Graham).? If this appears as a consistently repeated (and therefore predictable) problem, then the fault could lie with the shell dies in parts manufacture. I personally haven't noticed problems with them (I only have half a dozen or so); most of my modern TDK tapes are from either Japan or Singapore. And, no I don't use a Dragon!! I have however heard that they are not as 'hard wearing' as their Jap counterparts though, but the specific details of the complaint I can't recall (if I ever heard them). This would refer to the tape inside. One has to bear in mind that mainland Japan has been increasingly pushing cassette manufacture off-shore for some time. Despite this, standards should have been maintained in accordance with the manufacturers tolerances. While I would not suggest that the care and quality control is as good as it was in the past, the standards achievable in countries like Thailand, Korea, Taiwan etc are excellent. The Maxells from the Telford plant in the UK are excellent and give nothing whatever away to the Japanese sourced ones. I was playing a British XLII-S just last night and it was brilliant. Actually, I think their resonance damping shell is better than any other XLII-S I have. Perhaps we should write a rude letter to TDK Luxembourg (for harbouring cassettes of mass-distortion)!!! Cheers, Marc >>> graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk 02/11/03 11:02PM >>> I wouldn't go quite that far, but close! As I see it, the main problem with the European TDK tapes is the quality of the cassette, not necessarily the tape inside them. They beggar the azimuth ... I have to re-set it each side of the cassette, and by quite some margin, when I am recording on the ZX9. Graham > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > George Valkov > Sent: 11 February 2003 18:28 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Any Recommendation for Audio Cassette ? TDK > SA-90? JENS!! > > > May I just step in and mention that every single "Luxembourg" TDK > cassette I > have laid my hands on in the last 4-5 years, from D to MA, has been total > and utter rubbish. I am never using European branded/sourced TDK > ever again. > The same is fully valid for their VHS tapes from the same origin. > > George > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/03 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Wed Feb 12 07:58:32 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 08:58:32 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Happy Birthday Graham!! Message-ID: Hi Graham, Many happy returns of the day - it's 4 dozen is it? Congratulations and all the best for another nakkin' good year. Marc >>> smarzuki at indosat.net.id 02/12/03 08:53AM >>> Happy Birthday Graham ! May this year brings you full of audio happiness. To keep this Nak related ... a 48x is best suited for the occasion, don't you think ? =) Cheers, Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Wed Feb 12 08:45:26 2003 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 23:45:26 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Graham's Day References: <000901c2d263$70e75800$02299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3E49FB95.7414A10C@earthlink.net> Hear hear, chap. Happiest of birthdays to you, Graham. = ) Cheers! Jim Volpatti From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Feb 12 08:49:00 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 07:49:00 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Graham's Day In-Reply-To: <000901c2d263$70e75800$02299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <000201c2d26b$34ad4720$41874c51@oemcomputer> Thanks, Salim and Marc! Yes, 48x is spot on! Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Salim Marzuki > Sent: 12 February 2003 06:53 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Graham's Day > > > > Happy Birthday Graham ! May this year brings you full of audio happiness. > > To keep this Nak related ... a 48x is best suited for the occasion, don't > you think ? =) > > Cheers, > Salim SM > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/03 From g_valkov at hotmail.com Wed Feb 12 09:27:04 2003 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 10:27:04 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Any Recommendation for Audio Cassette ? TDKSA-90? JENS!! Message-ID: Mark, Graham et al, I don't think a 4-5 dB drop in signal level (switching between source and monitor) on a brand new MA has anything to do with alignment and azimuth problems - just crap tape. It proved near impossible to have any new european TDK auto-calibrated by my B-215 - either side of the tape. And ultimately - what difference does it make is it a crappy shell or a crappy tape or both if the end result is that you throw the freshly unpacked brand new cassette away ? (About 30 in total before I stopped wasting my money on TDK). George ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Mark Hugo" Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: Subject: RE: [naktalk] Any Recommendation for Audio Cassette ? TDKSA-90? JENS!! Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 08:46:53 +0200 George and Graham, Sorry to hear about your experiences with Luxembourgeois TDKs. George, was it is the alignment / azimuth problems that you experienced (as referred to by Graham).? If this appears as a consistently repeated (and therefore predictable) problem, then the fault could lie with the shell dies in parts manufacture. I personally haven't noticed problems with them (I only have half a dozen or so); most of my modern TDK tapes are from either Japan or Singapore. And, no I don't use a Dragon!! I have however heard that they are not as 'hard wearing' as their Jap counterparts though, but the specific details of the complaint I can't recall (if I ever heard them). This would refer to the tape inside. One has to bear in mind that mainland Japan has been increasingly pushing cassette manufacture off-shore for some time. Despite this, standards should have been maintained in accordance with the manufacturers tolerances. While I would not suggest that the care and quality control is as good as it was in the past, the standards achievable in countries like Thailand, Korea, Taiwan etc are excellent. The Maxells from the Telford plant in the UK are excellent and give nothing whatever away to the Japanese sourced ones. I was playing a British XLII-S just last night and it was brilliant. Actually, I think their resonance damping shell is better than any other XLII-S I have. Perhaps we should write a rude letter to TDK Luxembourg (for harbouring cassettes of mass-distortion)!!! Cheers, Marc >>> graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk 02/11/03 11:02PM >>> I wouldn't go quite that far, but close! As I see it, the main problem with the European TDK tapes is the quality of the cassette, not necessarily the tape inside them. They beggar the azimuth ... I have to re-set it each side of the cassette, and by quite some margin, when I am recording on the ZX9. Graham _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From wdrewes at iafrica.com Wed Feb 12 09:43:36 2003 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wme drewes) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 10:43:36 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CR 7 doors Message-ID: <002b01c2d272$ef26d740$af16fea9@wdrewes> Has any one got any idea why there are so many CR 7's and CR 5 's floating around in the world that have no doors? The other Naks dont seem to have the missing door syndrome. I am still looking to locate some. I seem to recall there was an auction on German eBay last year in which a Swiss seller was selling his Nakamichi contents of his repair shop and amongst the items I seem to recall was/were CR 7 doors.Needless to say I did not bid as I have enough nakamichi deseases without setting up a imitation repair shop or a Nakamichi graveyard ! Does anyone in this illustrious group recall the Buyer/Seller ? I dont give up easily even if I have to remanufacture these things using electronic cutting machines. I hope however ,it will not come to that !!! Regards Walter Drewes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Feb 12 09:44:39 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 08:44:39 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Any Recommendation for Audio Cassette ? TDKSA-90? JENS!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000301c2d272$fad409a0$41874c51@oemcomputer> George Wow! That bad, huh? I've not experienced anything like that .... yet. But I've a few packs to go through ... Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > George Valkov > Sent: 12 February 2003 08:27 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Any Recommendation for Audio Cassette ? TDKSA-90? > JENS!! > > > Mark, Graham et al, > > I don't think a 4-5 dB drop in signal level (switching between source and > monitor) on a brand new MA has anything to do with alignment and azimuth > problems - just crap tape. It proved near impossible to have any new > european TDK auto-calibrated by my B-215 - either side of the tape. And > ultimately - what difference does it make is it a crappy shell or > a crappy > tape or both if the end result is that you throw the freshly > unpacked brand > new cassette away ? (About 30 in total before I stopped wasting > my money on > TDK). > > George > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Mark Hugo" > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > To: > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Any Recommendation for Audio Cassette ? TDKSA-90? > JENS!! > Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 08:46:53 +0200 > > George and Graham, > > Sorry to hear about your experiences with Luxembourgeois TDKs. > George, was > it is the alignment / azimuth problems that you experienced (as > referred to > by Graham).? If this appears as a consistently repeated (and therefore > predictable) problem, then the fault could lie with the shell > dies in parts > manufacture. I personally haven't noticed problems with them (I > only have > half a dozen or so); most of my modern TDK tapes are from either Japan or > Singapore. And, no I don't use a Dragon!! > > I have however heard that they are not as 'hard wearing' as their Jap > counterparts though, but the specific details of the complaint I can't > recall (if I ever heard them). This would refer to the tape inside. One > has to bear in mind that mainland Japan has been increasingly pushing > cassette manufacture off-shore for some time. Despite this, standards > should have been maintained in accordance with the manufacturers > tolerances. > While I would not suggest that the care and quality control is > as good as > it was in the past, the standards achievable in countries like Thailand, > Korea, Taiwan etc are excellent. The Maxells from the Telford > plant in the > UK are excellent and give nothing whatever away to the Japanese sourced > ones. I was playing a British XLII-S just last night and it was > brilliant. > Actually, I think their resonance damping shell is better than any other > XLII-S I have. > > Perhaps we should write a rude letter to TDK Luxembourg (for harbouring > cassettes of mass-distortion)!!! > > Cheers, > > Marc > > >>> graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk 02/11/03 11:02PM >>> > I wouldn't go quite that far, but close! As I see it, the main > problem with > the European TDK tapes is the quality of the cassette, not necessarily the > tape inside them. They beggar the azimuth ... I have to re-set > it each side > of the cassette, and by quite some margin, when I am recording on the ZX9. > > Graham > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/03 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/03 From wdrewes at iafrica.com Wed Feb 12 09:48:08 2003 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wme drewes) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 10:48:08 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Any Recommendation for Audio Cassette ? TDKSA-90? JENS!! References: Message-ID: <003301c2d273$77d4c520$af16fea9@wdrewes> George ,Next time use a Dragon !( phew) Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Valkov" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 10:27 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Any Recommendation for Audio Cassette ? TDKSA-90? JENS!! > Mark, Graham et al, > > I don't think a 4-5 dB drop in signal level (switching between source and > monitor) on a brand new MA has anything to do with alignment and azimuth > problems - just crap tape. It proved near impossible to have any new > european TDK auto-calibrated by my B-215 - either side of the tape. And > ultimately - what difference does it make is it a crappy shell or a crappy > tape or both if the end result is that you throw the freshly unpacked brand > new cassette away ? (About 30 in total before I stopped wasting my money on > TDK). > > George > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Mark Hugo" > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > To: > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Any Recommendation for Audio Cassette ? TDKSA-90? > JENS!! > Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 08:46:53 +0200 > > George and Graham, > > Sorry to hear about your experiences with Luxembourgeois TDKs. George, was > it is the alignment / azimuth problems that you experienced (as referred to > by Graham).? If this appears as a consistently repeated (and therefore > predictable) problem, then the fault could lie with the shell dies in parts > manufacture. I personally haven't noticed problems with them (I only have > half a dozen or so); most of my modern TDK tapes are from either Japan or > Singapore. And, no I don't use a Dragon!! > > I have however heard that they are not as 'hard wearing' as their Jap > counterparts though, but the specific details of the complaint I can't > recall (if I ever heard them). This would refer to the tape inside. One > has to bear in mind that mainland Japan has been increasingly pushing > cassette manufacture off-shore for some time. Despite this, standards > should have been maintained in accordance with the manufacturers tolerances. > While I would not suggest that the care and quality control is as good as > it was in the past, the standards achievable in countries like Thailand, > Korea, Taiwan etc are excellent. The Maxells from the Telford plant in the > UK are excellent and give nothing whatever away to the Japanese sourced > ones. I was playing a British XLII-S just last night and it was brilliant. > Actually, I think their resonance damping shell is better than any other > XLII-S I have. > > Perhaps we should write a rude letter to TDK Luxembourg (for harbouring > cassettes of mass-distortion)!!! > > Cheers, > > Marc > > >>> graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk 02/11/03 11:02PM >>> > I wouldn't go quite that far, but close! As I see it, the main problem with > the European TDK tapes is the quality of the cassette, not necessarily the > tape inside them. They beggar the azimuth ... I have to re-set it each side > of the cassette, and by quite some margin, when I am recording on the ZX9. > > Graham > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > From croquetgod at yahoo.com Wed Feb 12 10:03:18 2003 From: croquetgod at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jens-M.=20Arndt?=) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 10:03:18 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] Nak Sales on eBay 1-12 Feb 2003 Message-ID: <20030212090318.73461.qmail@web13509.mail.yahoo.com> Hi there, below please find some recent ebay sales of Naks, all claimed to be in excellent/mint condition unless otherwise stated. Date Nakamichi Deck Ebay Comment Price Link 9/2/03 480 Germany 81.00 Euro http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=27795&item=3309883592&rd=1 2/2/03 582 Germany incl. Receiver 530! 183.00 Euro http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=27795&item=3308153523&rd=1 9/2/03 582 Germany 102.01 Euro http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=27795&item=3308581521&rd=1 9/2/03 680ZX Germany 371.00 Euro http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=27795&item=3308591692&rd=1 9/2/03 680ZX US 350.00 USD http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4784&item=3005831879&rd=1 8/2/03 700TriTracer Germany 110.01 Euro http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=27795&item=3309660551&rd=1 2/2/03 BX1 Germany 45.50 Euro http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=27795&item=3309012947&rd=1 10/2/03 BX125E Germany 45.00 Euro http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3311089416&category=27795 9/2/03 BX125E Germany 40.51 Euro http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=27795&item=3310245275&rd=1 8/2/03 BX150E Germany 82.55 Euro http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=27795&item=3310086107&rd=1 6/2/03 BX300E Germany Belt defect 82.50 Euro http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=27795&item=3308860072&rd=1 7/2/03 BX300E Germany Cassette locked 76.00 Euro http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=27795&item=3309033964&rd=1 8/2/03 BX300E Germany 182.00 CHF http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=27795&item=3309678486&rd=1 9/2/03 Cassette Deck 1.5 Germany 102.59 Euro http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=27795&item=3309698318&rd=1 12/2/03 Cassette Deck 2 UK 170.00 GBP http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4784&item=3005944929&rd=1 9/2/03 CR4 Germany 179.00 Euro http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=27795&item=3309843292&rd=1 2/2/03 CR4E Germany 159.80 Euro http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=27795&item=3308651010&rd=1 2/2/03 CR4E Germany 132.01 Euro http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=27795&item=3309397582&rd=1 5/2/03 CR4E Germany 126.00 Euro http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=27795&item=3309823171&rd=1 9/2/03 CR7E Germany 456.00 Euro http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=27795&item=3309338055&rd=1 5/2/03 DR8 Germany 250.00 Euro http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=27795&item=3308611658&rd=1 4/2/03 Dragon Germany 822.00 Euro http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=27795&item=3309038689&rd=1 11/2/03 Dragon Germany 705.00 Euro http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3310284721&category=27795 9/2/03 Dragon Germany 695.00 Euro http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=23325&item=3310312086&rd=1 6/2/03 Dragon Germany Autoreverse nonworking 389.00 Euro http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=27795&item=3308814438&rd=1 8/2/03 LX5 Germany 187.00 Euro http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=27795&item=3309707491&rd=1 2/2/03 LX5 Germany 132.00 Euro http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=27795&item=3308654426&rd=1 8/2/03 NR200 Germany 111.00 Euro http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=27795&item=3309682509&rd=1 12/2/03 RM 200 US 202.50 USD http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4784&item=3005957190&rd=1 8/2/03 RX202E Germany 170.59 Euro http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=27795&item=3309707946&rd=1 9/2/03 RX505 US 482.00 USD http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4784&item=3005429042&rd=1 5/2/03 RX505 US 355.00 USD http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4784&item=3004349075&rd=1 8/2/03 RX505E Germany 599.00 Euro http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=27795&item=3309177328&rd=1 2/2/03 RX505E Germany 343.75 Euro http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=14980&item=3003613816&rd=1 10/2/03 RX505E Germany small scratches 343.00 Éuro http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=14980&item=3006129988&rd=1 12/2/03 ZX7 US 330.00 USD http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4784&item=3005950625&rd=1 9/2/03 ZX9 US 535.00 USD http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4784&item=3004887080&rd=1 ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei http://premiummail.yahoo.de From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Wed Feb 12 10:14:39 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 11:14:39 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Recommendation for Cassette ? Thanks George. JENS!! Message-ID: Thanks George, Details appreciated, and that sounds like an appalling ordeal. Jens!! There, you now have the specifics from George. What I would suggest is to buy just one (1) of those SA-XS C-60 cassettes and FULLY experiment with it, watching carefully for 'any', not just 'significant' "level" disparities. i.e. the playback signal should match the recorded signal in strength (dB on your display) AND volume (keep volume setting unchanged). Also do not change your output level adjustment on the deck. You have no "level" calibration on the 505 as far I remember, so if there is a level drop from input signal to playback signal, you are getting the same problem as George. Then if all above seems okay, record passages near the start of the cassette, in the middle of it and towards the end. Record and playback, looking specifically for any fall-off in high frequencies. Do this for both sides of the tape. To be doubly sure, remove the tape after recording, then replace it and listen to the playback. Listen again for signs of azimuth problems arising from the tape itself. If all seems okay, then get more tapes. And, what I should have said first is, have a look to see (on the wrapper) where the SA-XS is made. It might have been made somewhere other than Luxembourg!! Cheers, Marc >>> g_valkov at hotmail.com 02/12/03 10:27AM >>> Mark, Graham et al, I don't think a 4-5 dB drop in signal level (switching between source and monitor) on a brand new MA has anything to do with alignment and azimuth problems - just crap tape. It proved near impossible to have any new european TDK auto-calibrated by my B-215 - either side of the tape. And ultimately - what difference does it make is it a crappy shell or a crappy tape or both if the end result is that you throw the freshly unpacked brand new cassette away ? (About 30 in total before I stopped wasting my money on TDK). George ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Mark Hugo" Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: Subject: RE: [naktalk] Any Recommendation for Audio Cassette ? TDKSA-90? JENS!! Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 08:46:53 +0200 George and Graham, Sorry to hear about your experiences with Luxembourgeois TDKs. George, was it is the alignment / azimuth problems that you experienced (as referred to by Graham).? If this appears as a consistently repeated (and therefore predictable) problem, then the fault could lie with the shell dies in parts manufacture. I personally haven't noticed problems with them (I only have half a dozen or so); most of my modern TDK tapes are from either Japan or Singapore. And, no I don't use a Dragon!! I have however heard that they are not as 'hard wearing' as their Jap counterparts though, but the specific details of the complaint I can't recall (if I ever heard them). This would refer to the tape inside. One has to bear in mind that mainland Japan has been increasingly pushing cassette manufacture off-shore for some time. Despite this, standards should have been maintained in accordance with the manufacturers tolerances. While I would not suggest that the care and quality control is as good as it was in the past, the standards achievable in countries like Thailand, Korea, Taiwan etc are excellent. The Maxells from the Telford plant in the UK are excellent and give nothing whatever away to the Japanese sourced ones. I was playing a British XLII-S just last night and it was brilliant. Actually, I think their resonance damping shell is better than any other XLII-S I have. Perhaps we should write a rude letter to TDK Luxembourg (for harbouring cassettes of mass-distortion)!!! Cheers, Marc >>> graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk 02/11/03 11:02PM >>> I wouldn't go quite that far, but close! As I see it, the main problem with the European TDK tapes is the quality of the cassette, not necessarily the tape inside them. They beggar the azimuth ... I have to re-set it each side of the cassette, and by quite some margin, when I am recording on the ZX9. Graham _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. 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Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 10:48:08 +0200 George ,Next time use a Dragon !( phew) Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Valkov" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 10:27 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Any Recommendation for Audio Cassette ? TDKSA-90? JENS!! > Mark, Graham et al, > > I don't think a 4-5 dB drop in signal level (switching between source and > monitor) on a brand new MA has anything to do with alignment and azimuth > problems - just crap tape. It proved near impossible to have any new > european TDK auto-calibrated by my B-215 - either side of the tape. And > ultimately - what difference does it make is it a crappy shell or a crappy > tape or both if the end result is that you throw the freshly unpacked brand > new cassette away ? (About 30 in total before I stopped wasting my money on > TDK). > > George > > _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From mrao at bigpond.net.au Wed Feb 12 11:07:16 2003 From: mrao at bigpond.net.au (Murli Rao) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 21:07:16 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Any Recommendation for Audio Cassette ? TDKSA-90? JENS!! References: Message-ID: <004501c2d27e$85a74780$7b00a8c0@HOME> The TDK-SA available here in Australia is assembled in Thailand, but the tape is made in Japan. Any suggestions on the quality?? Murli ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Valkov" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 8:23 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Any Recommendation for Audio Cassette ? TDKSA-90? JENS!! > I had a Deck 1 too - didn't make any difference. > > George > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "wme drewes" > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > To: > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Any Recommendation for Audio Cassette ? TDKSA-90? > JENS!! > Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 10:48:08 +0200 > > George ,Next time use a Dragon !( phew) > > Walter > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "George Valkov" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 10:27 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Any Recommendation for Audio Cassette ? TDKSA-90? > JENS!! > > > > Mark, Graham et al, > > > > I don't think a 4-5 dB drop in signal level (switching between source and > > monitor) on a brand new MA has anything to do with alignment and azimuth > > problems - just crap tape. It proved near impossible to have any new > > european TDK auto-calibrated by my B-215 - either side of the tape. And > > ultimately - what difference does it make is it a crappy shell or a > crappy > > tape or both if the end result is that you throw the freshly unpacked > brand > > new cassette away ? (About 30 in total before I stopped wasting my money > on > > TDK). > > > > George > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > From croquetgod at yahoo.com Wed Feb 12 11:50:31 2003 From: croquetgod at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jens-M.=20Arndt?=) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 11:50:31 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] Recommendation for Cassette ? Thanks George. JENS!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030212105031.80953.qmail@web13501.mail.yahoo.com> Mark, based on your original advice without having seen George's posting about TDK-Luxembourg, I have bought already 10 TDK SAXS-60 plus 5 TDK SA-90 plus 1 TDK MA-60 (all of Luxembourg origin). But don't worry, I won't claim the 18 Euro back from you in case these cassettes should in fact be crap. Unfortunately my RX505 has not arrived yet (now more than 4 days for less than 500 miles within germany, according to german post the parcel is "in delivery since yesterday.....) but I will keep you posted about my findings.. Jens --- Mark Hugo schrieb: > > Thanks George, > > Details appreciated, and that sounds like an > appalling ordeal. Jens!! There, you now have the > specifics from George. > > What I would suggest is to buy just one (1) of > those SA-XS C-60 cassettes and FULLY experiment with > it, watching carefully for 'any', not just > 'significant' "level" disparities. i.e. the > playback signal should match the recorded signal in > strength (dB on your display) AND volume (keep > volume setting unchanged). Also do not change your > output level adjustment on the deck. You have no > "level" calibration on the 505 as far I remember, so > if there is a level drop from input signal to > playback signal, you are getting the same problem as > George. > > Then if all above seems okay, record passages near > the start of the cassette, in the middle of it and > towards the end. Record and playback, looking > specifically for any fall-off in high frequencies. > Do this for both sides of the tape. To be doubly > sure, remove the tape after recording, then replace > it and listen to the playback. Listen again for > signs of azimuth problems arising from the tape > itself. > > If all seems okay, then get more tapes. > > And, what I should have said first is, have a look > to see (on the wrapper) where the SA-XS is made. It > might have been made somewhere other than > Luxembourg!! > > Cheers, > > Marc > ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei http://premiummail.yahoo.de From khmerideth at anderson.edu Wed Feb 12 13:42:09 2003 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 07:42:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Any Recommendation for Audio Cassette ? TDKSA-90? JENS!! Message-ID: Marc, See my comment at the end of your message: >>> Mhugo at sunint.co.za 02/12/03 01:46AM >>> George and Graham, Sorry to hear about your experiences with Luxembourgeois TDKs. George, was it is the alignment / azimuth problems that you experienced (as referred to by Graham).? If this appears as a consistently repeated (and therefore predictable) problem, then the fault could lie with the shell dies in parts manufacture. I personally haven't noticed problems with them (I only have half a dozen or so); most of my modern TDK tapes are from either Japan or Singapore. And, no I don't use a Dragon!! I have however heard that they are not as 'hard wearing' as their Jap counterparts though, but the specific details of the complaint I can't recall (if I ever heard them). This would refer to the tape inside. One has to bear in mind that mainland Japan has been increasingly pushing cassette manufacture off-shore for some time. Despite this, standards should have been maintained in accordance with the manufacturers tolerances. While I would not suggest that the care and quality control is as good as it was in the past, the standards achievable in countries like Thailand, Korea, Taiwan etc are excellent. The Maxells from the Telford plant in the UK are excellent and give nothing whatever away to the Japanese sourced ones. I was playing a British XLII-S just last night and it was brilliant. Actually, I think their resonance damping shell is better than any other XLII-S I have. Perhaps we should write a rude letter to TDK Luxembourg (for harbouring cassettes of mass-distortion)!!! Cheers, Marc <<<>>> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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As George said, the BASF Reference Maxima TPII is superb. http://www.bswonline.com/BSWOnline/default.asp?404;http://www.bswonline.com/public/prod_subcat.asp http://www.cassettehouse.com/ http://www.tapeworld.com/ http://www.pricebuster.org.uk/ http://www.lynx.net.uk/design2new/ https://www.protape.co.uk/cgi-bin/protape.storefront http://www.svs-media.fsbusiness.co.uk/ http://www.tapecity.co.uk/acatalog/ http://www.tm-tape.com/ http://search-desc.ebay.com/search/search.dll?cgiurl=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2F&MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&query=blank+tapes&categoryid=&ht=1&srchdesc=y&SortProperty=MetaEndSort&BasicSearch=&from=R2&catref=C3 http://www.richersounds.com/ I look forward to hearing the outcome and wish you good luck with your new RX-505E. Regards, Marc The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. 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From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Feb 12 16:18:48 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 10:18:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Graham's Day References: <000201c2d26b$34ad4720$41874c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3E4A65D8.21B12535@rcn.com> Belated best wishes to you on this happy day. May your soup always be hot and your beer always be cold. -- Ron Graham Nelson wrote: > > Thanks, Salim and Marc! Yes, 48x is spot on! > > Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Salim Marzuki > > Sent: 12 February 2003 06:53 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] Graham's Day > > > > > > > > Happy Birthday Graham ! May this year brings you full of audio happiness. > > > > To keep this Nak related ... a 48x is best suited for the occasion, don't > > you think ? =) > > > > Cheers, > > Salim SM > > > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/03 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Feb 12 16:22:42 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 10:22:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Idler Modification References: <0C73AA5F720CD311AC2A0008C7DBA9B406CF0CC5@emss09m13.ems.lmco.com> Message-ID: <3E4A66C2.1079802F@rcn.com> Instead of getting the gear mod, how about getting a supply of, say, 10 rubber idlers and learning to replace them yourself? WIll be a hell of a lot cheaper. Replacing an idler is comparatively minor surgery. -- Ron "Bahr, Kurtis" wrote: > > I am still using an idler tire in my CR-7a. Guess I'm now considering > buying the kit incase I need to install someday. Does Nak still have these > for sale? > > Kurtis > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron [mailto:ra.ah at rcn.com] > Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 10:01 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7 Idler Modification > > Ooops... I meant to say, "The CR-7A is for the US market > (110V only)." > > Ron wrote: > > > > Also: the CR-7 is an international deck (110V/220V/240V). The CR-7 is > > for the US market (110V only). Otherwise, they are identical. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > > Hi Murli, > > > > > > There are 2 small screws at the top corners of the black backplate > > > inside cassette well. Carefully open both screws - as most of the > > > times they fell inside the deck ! The gear or idler drive is behind > > > the backplate, try to 'peek' by getting the top part of backplate > > > fell forward. Hopefully you'll see a small white gear instead of > > > black rubber roller =) > > > > > > Enjoy your new deck ! > > > Salim SM > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Murli Rao > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 3:17 PM > > > Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Idler Modification > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > I have recently bought a Nak CR-7, but I am not sure if it has gone > > > through the Idler modification. Does anyone know how to tell if this > > > modification has be done on it? > > > > > > Also, what is the difference between CR-7 & CR-7A models? > > > > > > Any info regarding this is most appreciated. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Murli > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > To maintain your account please go here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From stan.targowski at attbi.com Wed Feb 12 17:57:17 2003 From: stan.targowski at attbi.com (Stan Targowski) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 10:57:17 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] TDK MA-XG's in the UK ... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mark - thanks for the links. http://www.tapecity.co.uk/acatalog/ seems to have a great deal on TDK MA-XG90 cassettes - 1.95 GBP (about $3.20). I just gave them a shot - even with shipping, this should be a great deal. As far as I know this tape is long discontinued and was never made anywhere else other than Japan. Stan -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of Mark Hugo Sent: Wed, February 12, 2003 6:52 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Jens: Your stock of TDKs for the RX-505E Hi Jens, Even though you have got those tapes already, nothing is yet lost!! Keep the receipt and should a problem arise the shop may give you a refund for the unopened units if you explain the problem. After all, THEY don't loose anything. They just pick up a credit from the supplier. And of course............you might find the tapes completely satisfactory. For your reference, here are some useful links for getting a wider choice of blank media, perhaps Maxells, Sonys and your own country's superb BASF (now called EMTEC). As George said, the BASF Reference Maxima TPII is superb. http://www.bswonline.com/BSWOnline/default.asp?404;http://www.bswonline.com/ public/prod_subcat.asp http://www.cassettehouse.com/ http://www.tapeworld.com/ http://www.pricebuster.org.uk/ http://www.lynx.net.uk/design2new/ https://www.protape.co.uk/cgi-bin/protape.storefront http://www.svs-media.fsbusiness.co.uk/ http://www.tapecity.co.uk/acatalog/ http://www.tm-tape.com/ http://search-desc.ebay.com/search/search.dll?cgiurl=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.c om%2Fws%2F&MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&query=blank+tapes&categoryid=&ht=1&srch desc=y&SortProperty=MetaEndSort&BasicSearch=&from=R2&catref=C3 http://www.richersounds.com/ I look forward to hearing the outcome and wish you good luck with your new RX-505E. Regards, Marc The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From roleo at telus.net Wed Feb 12 18:21:19 2003 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 09:21:19 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] TDK MA-XG's in the UK ... References: Message-ID: <002801c2d2bb$2828b930$8075059a@desktop> Their web site for placing orders has been down for three days and I tried phoning, but the girl who answered seems like a dork! Didn't seem to know what she was really talking about. -Roland ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Targowski" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 8:57 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] TDK MA-XG's in the UK ... > Mark - thanks for the links. http://www.tapecity.co.uk/acatalog/ seems to > have a great deal on TDK MA-XG90 cassettes - 1.95 GBP (about $3.20). I just > gave them a shot - even with shipping, this should be a great deal. > > As far as I know this tape is long discontinued and was never made anywhere > else other than Japan. > > Stan > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Mark Hugo > Sent: Wed, February 12, 2003 6:52 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Jens: Your stock of TDKs for the RX-505E > > > Hi Jens, > > Even though you have got those tapes already, nothing is yet lost!! Keep > the receipt and should a problem arise the shop may give you a refund for > the unopened units if you explain the problem. After all, THEY don't loose > anything. They just pick up a credit from the supplier. > > And of course............you might find the tapes completely satisfactory. > > For your reference, here are some useful links for getting a wider choice of > blank media, perhaps Maxells, Sonys and your own country's superb BASF (now > called EMTEC). As George said, the BASF Reference Maxima TPII is superb. > > > > http://www.bswonline.com/BSWOnline/default.asp?404;http://www.bswonline.com/ > public/prod_subcat.asp > > http://www.cassettehouse.com/ > > http://www.tapeworld.com/ > > http://www.pricebuster.org.uk/ > > http://www.lynx.net.uk/design2new/ > > https://www.protape.co.uk/cgi-bin/protape.storefront > > http://www.svs-media.fsbusiness.co.uk/ > > http://www.tapecity.co.uk/acatalog/ > > http://www.tm-tape.com/ > > http://search-desc.ebay.com/search/search.dll?cgiurl=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.c > om%2Fws%2F&MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&query=blank+tapes&categoryid=&ht=1&srch > desc=y&SortProperty=MetaEndSort&BasicSearch=&from=R2&catref=C3 > > http://www.richersounds.com/ > > > I look forward to hearing the outcome and wish you good luck with your new > RX-505E. > > Regards, > > Marc > > The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject > to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more > attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of > the > named recipient/s. > > If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, > disclose > or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in > reliance on it. > If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by > replying to > this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your > computer. > > All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are > present > in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or > damage arising > from the use of this email or attachments. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From khmerideth at anderson.edu Wed Feb 12 18:34:57 2003 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 12:34:57 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] TDK MA-XG's in the UK ... Message-ID: Roland, Now I'm worried. Placed an order for 20 of the TDK MA-XG 90's via their web site and received confirmation via e-mail. Not sure what's going to happen; just have to wait and see. Kent Indiana, U.S.A. >>> roleo at telus.net 02/12/03 12:21PM >>> Their web site for placing orders has been down for three days and I tried phoning, but the girl who answered seems like a dork! Didn't seem to know what she was really talking about. -Roland ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Targowski" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 8:57 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] TDK MA-XG's in the UK ... > Mark - thanks for the links. http://www.tapecity.co.uk/acatalog/ seems to > have a great deal on TDK MA-XG90 cassettes - 1.95 GBP (about $3.20). I just > gave them a shot - even with shipping, this should be a great deal. > > As far as I know this tape is long discontinued and was never made anywhere > else other than Japan. > > Stan > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Mark Hugo > Sent: Wed, February 12, 2003 6:52 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Jens: Your stock of TDKs for the RX-505E > > > Hi Jens, > > Even though you have got those tapes already, nothing is yet lost!! Keep > the receipt and should a problem arise the shop may give you a refund for > the unopened units if you explain the problem. After all, THEY don't loose > anything. They just pick up a credit from the supplier. > > And of course............you might find the tapes completely satisfactory. > > For your reference, here are some useful links for getting a wider choice of > blank media, perhaps Maxells, Sonys and your own country's superb BASF (now > called EMTEC). As George said, the BASF Reference Maxima TPII is superb. > > > > http://www.bswonline.com/BSWOnline/default.asp?404;http://www.bswonline.com/ > public/prod_subcat.asp > > http://www.cassettehouse.com/ > > http://www.tapeworld.com/ > > http://www.pricebuster.org.uk/ > > http://www.lynx.net.uk/design2new/ > > https://www.protape.co.uk/cgi-bin/protape.storefront > > http://www.svs-media.fsbusiness.co.uk/ > > http://www.tapecity.co.uk/acatalog/ > > http://www.tm-tape.com/ > > http://search-desc.ebay.com/search/search.dll?cgiurl=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.c > om%2Fws%2F&MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&query=blank+tapes&categoryid=&ht=1&srch > desc=y&SortProperty=MetaEndSort&BasicSearch=&from=R2&catref=C3 > > http://www.richersounds.com/ > > > I look forward to hearing the outcome and wish you good luck with your new > RX-505E. > > Regards, > > Marc > > The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject > to legal privilege. 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URL: From stan.targowski at attbi.com Wed Feb 12 19:06:27 2003 From: stan.targowski at attbi.com (Stan Targowski) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 12:06:27 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] TDK MA-XG's in the UK ... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Same here Kent. Let's cross our fingers. Interestingly, I was never advised of the shipping charges to Chicago - the invoice stated GBP 5.50 for UK shipping ... Stan -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kent Merideth Sent: Wed, February 12, 2003 11:35 AM To: naktalk at naks.com; roleo at telus.net Subject: Re: [naktalk] TDK MA-XG's in the UK ... Roland, Now I'm worried. Placed an order for 20 of the TDK MA-XG 90's via their web site and received confirmation via e-mail. Not sure what's going to happen; just have to wait and see. Kent Indiana, U.S.A. >>> roleo at telus.net 02/12/03 12:21PM >>> Their web site for placing orders has been down for three days and I tried phoning, but the girl who answered seems like a dork! Didn't seem to know what she was really talking about. -Roland ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Targowski" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 8:57 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] TDK MA-XG's in the UK ... > Mark - thanks for the links. http://www.tapecity.co.uk/acatalog/ seems to > have a great deal on TDK MA-XG90 cassettes - 1.95 GBP (about $3.20). I just > gave them a shot - even with shipping, this should be a great deal. > > As far as I know this tape is long discontinued and was never made anywhere > else other than Japan. > > Stan > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Mark Hugo > Sent: Wed, February 12, 2003 6:52 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Jens: Your stock of TDKs for the RX-505E > > > Hi Jens, > > Even though you have got those tapes already, nothing is yet lost!! Keep > the receipt and should a problem arise the shop may give you a refund for > the unopened units if you explain the problem. After all, THEY don't loose > anything. They just pick up a credit from the supplier. > > And of course............you might find the tapes completely satisfactory. > > For your reference, here are some useful links for getting a wider choice of > blank media, perhaps Maxells, Sonys and your own country's superb BASF (now > called EMTEC). As George said, the BASF Reference Maxima TPII is superb. > > > > http://www.bswonline.com/BSWOnline/default.asp?404;http://www.bswonline.com/ > public/prod_subcat.asp > > http://www.cassettehouse.com/ > > http://www.tapeworld.com/ > > http://www.pricebuster.org.uk/ > > http://www.lynx.net.uk/design2new/ > > https://www.protape.co.uk/cgi-bin/protape.storefront > > http://www.svs-media.fsbusiness.co.uk/ > > http://www.tapecity.co.uk/acatalog/ > > http://www.tm-tape.com/ > > http://search-desc.ebay.com/search/search.dll?cgiurl=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.c > om%2Fws%2F&MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&query=blank+tapes&categoryid=&ht=1&srch > desc=y&SortProperty=MetaEndSort&BasicSearch=&from=R2&catref=C3 > > http://www.richersounds.com/ > > > I look forward to hearing the outcome and wish you good luck with your new > RX-505E. > > Regards, > > Marc > > The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject > to legal privilege. 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URL: From jmtooley at ce.net Wed Feb 12 19:37:52 2003 From: jmtooley at ce.net (jmtooley at ce.net) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 13:37:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] TDK MA-XG's in the UK ... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1045075072.3e4a9480b2733@mail.ce.net> I just ordered 30. The 5 Pounds plus is UK shipping so I believe we will now get quotes for very expensive Air Mail or some what cheaper Surface Mail. Surface Mail takes anywhere between 4 - 8 weeks with Air Mail arriving in 4 to 7 days. John T. Quoting Stan Targowski : > Mark - thanks for the links. http://www.tapecity.co.uk/acatalog/ seems to > have a great deal on TDK MA-XG90 cassettes - 1.95 GBP (about $3.20). I just > gave them a shot - even with shipping, this should be a great deal. > > As far as I know this tape is long discontinued and was never made anywhere > else other than Japan. > > Stan > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Mark Hugo > Sent: Wed, February 12, 2003 6:52 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Jens: Your stock of TDKs for the RX-505E > > > Hi Jens, > > Even though you have got those tapes already, nothing is yet lost!! Keep > the receipt and should a problem arise the shop may give you a refund for > the unopened units if you explain the problem. After all, THEY don't loose > anything. They just pick up a credit from the supplier. > > And of course............you might find the tapes completely satisfactory. > > For your reference, here are some useful links for getting a wider choice > of > blank media, perhaps Maxells, Sonys and your own country's superb BASF (now > called EMTEC). As George said, the BASF Reference Maxima TPII is superb. > > > > http://www.bswonline.com/BSWOnline/default.asp?404;http://www.bswonline.com/ > public/prod_subcat.asp > > http://www.cassettehouse.com/ > > http://www.tapeworld.com/ > > http://www.pricebuster.org.uk/ > > http://www.lynx.net.uk/design2new/ > > https://www.protape.co.uk/cgi-bin/protape.storefront > > http://www.svs-media.fsbusiness.co.uk/ > > http://www.tapecity.co.uk/acatalog/ > > http://www.tm-tape.com/ > > http://search-desc.ebay.com/search/search.dll?cgiurl=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.c > om%2Fws%2F&MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&query=blank+tapes&categoryid=&ht=1&srch > desc=y&SortProperty=MetaEndSort&BasicSearch=&from=R2&catref=C3 > > http://www.richersounds.com/ > > > I look forward to hearing the outcome and wish you good luck with your new > RX-505E. > > Regards, > > Marc > > The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject > to legal privilege. 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Therefore his soup and beer should both be served at about the same temperature, 37 deg C (98.6 deg F in old money.) John ;-) Ron wrote: >Belated best wishes to you on this happy day. May your >soup always be hot and your beer always be cold. > >-- Ron > > >Graham Nelson wrote: > > >>Thanks, Salim and Marc! Yes, 48x is spot on! >> >>Gra' >> >> >> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of >>>Salim Marzuki >>>Sent: 12 February 2003 06:53 >>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>Subject: [naktalk] Graham's Day >>> >>> >>> >>>Happy Birthday Graham ! May this year brings you full of audio happiness. >>> >>>To keep this Nak related ... a 48x is best suited for the occasion, don't >>>you think ? =) >>> >>>Cheers, >>>Salim SM >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>--- >>Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >>Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/03 >> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Feb 12 21:54:50 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 15:54:50 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Graham's Day References: <000201c2d26b$34ad4720$41874c51@oemcomputer> <3E4A65D8.21B12535@rcn.com> <3E4AA94B.2050306@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <3E4AB49A.7C699EC1@rcn.com> In which case, we should modify the blessing to add, "and may your body temperature always be the same, as well".... -- Ron John Walker wrote: > > Ron > you must remember that Graham is British. Therefore his soup and beer > should both be served at about the same temperature, 37 deg C (98.6 deg > F in old money.) > > John ;-) > > Ron wrote: > > >Belated best wishes to you on this happy day. May your > >soup always be hot and your beer always be cold. > > > >-- Ron > > > > > >Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > > >>Thanks, Salim and Marc! Yes, 48x is spot on! > >> > >>Gra' > >> > >> > >> > >>>-----Original Message----- > >>>From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > >>>Salim Marzuki > >>>Sent: 12 February 2003 06:53 > >>>To: naktalk at naks.com > >>>Subject: [naktalk] Graham's Day > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>Happy Birthday Graham ! May this year brings you full of audio happiness. > >>> > >>>To keep this Nak related ... a 48x is best suited for the occasion, don't > >>>you think ? =) > >>> > >>>Cheers, > >>>Salim SM > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>--- > >>Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > >>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >>Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/03 > >> > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > >> > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Wed Feb 12 22:21:03 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 08:21:03 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Any Recommendation for Audio Cassette ? TDKSA-90? J ENS!! Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201ED8@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Not as good as they were 10-15 years ago Murli, bless the 80's! -----Original Message----- From: Murli Rao [mailto:mrao at bigpond.net.au] Sent: Wednesday, 12 February 2003 9:07 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Any Recommendation for Audio Cassette ? TDKSA-90? JENS!! The TDK-SA available here in Australia is assembled in Thailand, but the tape is made in Japan. Any suggestions on the quality?? Murli ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Valkov" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 8:23 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Any Recommendation for Audio Cassette ? TDKSA-90? JENS!! > I had a Deck 1 too - didn't make any difference. > > George > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "wme drewes" > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > To: > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Any Recommendation for Audio Cassette ? TDKSA-90? > JENS!! > Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 10:48:08 +0200 > > George ,Next time use a Dragon !( phew) > > Walter > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "George Valkov" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 10:27 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Any Recommendation for Audio Cassette ? TDKSA-90? > JENS!! > > > > Mark, Graham et al, > > > > I don't think a 4-5 dB drop in signal level (switching between source and > > monitor) on a brand new MA has anything to do with alignment and azimuth > > problems - just crap tape. It proved near impossible to have any new > > european TDK auto-calibrated by my B-215 - either side of the tape. And > > ultimately - what difference does it make is it a crappy shell or a > crappy > > tape or both if the end result is that you throw the freshly unpacked > brand > > new cassette away ? (About 30 in total before I stopped wasting my money > on > > TDK). > > > > George > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Wed Feb 12 22:27:31 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 08:27:31 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Graham's Day Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201ED9@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hey Gra'! Happy birthday ol' pal, in celebration I will play the tape of Alex Rototski you sent me (hope I spelt it correctly) :) Cheers Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Salim Marzuki [mailto:smarzuki at indosat.net.id] Sent: Wednesday, 12 February 2003 5:53 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Graham's Day Happy Birthday Graham ! May this year brings you full of audio happiness. To keep this Nak related ... a 48x is best suited for the occasion, don't you think ? =) Cheers, Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Wed Feb 12 22:41:41 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 03:11:41 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Graham's Day Message-ID: <20030212214141.96A45114958@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Feb 12 23:04:46 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 22:04:46 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Graham's Day In-Reply-To: <20030212214141.96A45114958@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <000101c2d2e2$c10b99c0$7f9a4c51@oemcomputer> Thank you all for your greetings! Dunno about getting a Dragon (though at the prices they're selling for at the moment it's got to be a good time to buy ...) but I did by myself a little present - an Oracle Delphi II TT. If I regret it I'll sell it! Hippo birdie two ewes ... happy birthday to me ... Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > kannan_s at vsnl.com > Sent: 12 February 2003 21:42 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Graham's Day > > > > Hi Gra > Wish you all the best for getting a Dragon on this day - possibly > by your wife or a Girl friend on the Valentin' day! > Kannan > Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au wrote > Hey Gra'! Happy birthday ol' pal, in celebration I will play the tape of > Alex Rototski you sent me (hope I spelt it correctly) :) > > Cheers > Tom Siomopoulos. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Salim Marzuki [mailto:smarzuki at indosat.net.id] > Sent: Wednesday, 12 February 2003 5:53 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Graham's Day > > > > Happy Birthday Graham ! May this year brings you full of audio happiness. > > To keep this Nak related ... a 48x is best suited for the occasion, don't > you think ? =) > > Cheers, > Salim SM > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/03 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/03 From blueswapper at angelfire.com Thu Feb 13 00:58:16 2003 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 15:58:16 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Graham's Celebration..... Message-ID: Congrats, Graham! You're birthday gift is on the way to you via global priority mail (recorded on Maxell XLIIS cassette tape). Big huggs luv, Bleus de Nakker Madison, Wisc USA Lat 43o04'N, Long 89o24'W --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper ____________________________________________________________ Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus From blueswapper at angelfire.com Thu Feb 13 01:11:48 2003 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 16:11:48 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Comparison (Audio Magazine) Message-ID: I'm wondering whether anyone has a collection of past Audio Magazines from years 1984 thru 1990. If you do, kindly check for one or two cassette tape special issues of the magazine that compare the best cassettes of that era. I recollect that those issues were quite informative, ranking the cassette tape specs and performance. If we can get ahold of those issues, voliminous information we can share. I will investigate my local (public library) sources for leads on those issues of Audio Magazine. Also, does anyone have opinions on the late 1980's Denon high bias (chrome) cassettes, HD-7s and HD-8s particularly. These Denons were considered premium, sold mostly at speciality audio stores more than a decade ago. I have used the Denon high bias cassettes over the years, and they (imo) easily match the performance of Maxell XLIIS cassettes. More on the Denons when I receive a gently used batch of HD-7 and HD-8 cassettes purchased recently. Best regards, K.J. Bleus Madison, Wisc USA Lat 43o04'N, Long 89o24'W --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper ____________________________________________________________ Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus From erikvcl at silcom.com Thu Feb 13 01:27:12 2003 From: erikvcl at silcom.com (Erik Lotspeich) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 16:27:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Any Recommendation for Audio Cassette ? TDK SA-90? JENS!! Message-ID: The same can be said of TDK tapes sold here in the US. My experience has been identical. My poor Nak DR-8 without dual capstan or azimuth adjustment means that about of the tapes end up in the trash. I now buy TDK D tapes from Costco so they're around $1.00 each. I just throw away the ones that don't work -- no use sending them back for the lifetime warranty since half the ones that they send me to replace the defective ones will be defective themselves and the shipping will cost more than the value of the tape. Funny thing is the four TDK MA tapes I have that sound amazing cost about twice their value due to the shipping/warranty! All that just to have a few tapes for the walkman when I work out or the car. Sheesh. Erik. On Tue, 11 Feb 2003, Graham Nelson wrote: > I wouldn't go quite that far, but close! As I see it, the main problem with > the European TDK tapes is the quality of the cassette, not necessarily the > tape inside them. They beggar the azimuth ... I have to re-set it each side > of the cassette, and by quite some margin, when I am recording on the ZX9. > > Graham > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > George Valkov > > Sent: 11 February 2003 18:28 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Any Recommendation for Audio Cassette ? TDK > > SA-90? JENS!! > > > > > > May I just step in and mention that every single "Luxembourg" TDK > > cassette I > > have laid my hands on in the last 4-5 years, from D to MA, has been total > > and utter rubbish. I am never using European branded/sourced TDK > > ever again. > > The same is fully valid for their VHS tapes from the same origin. > > > > George > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/03 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Erik Lotspeich Lead Engineer Tenon Intersystems erik at tenon.com 1123 Chapala Street Ste 200 805-963-6983 Santa Barbara, CA 93101-3142 http://www.tenon.com/ From HerbChong at compuserve.com Thu Feb 13 02:48:31 2003 From: HerbChong at compuserve.com (Herb Chong) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 20:48:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Comparison (Audio Magazine) Message-ID: <200302122048_MC3-1-29C8-F605@compuserve.com> which issues? i have all issues from about 1983 to when they folded. Herb.... From jazzisjazz at mindspring.com Thu Feb 13 04:34:43 2003 From: jazzisjazz at mindspring.com (Stanley P. Pickens) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 22:34:43 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Jens: Your stock of TDKs for the RX-505E In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.2.2.20030212223222.011a1938@mail.mindspring.com> Marc, Nice list, Does anybody know if emtec type 4 metal cassettes are still available anywhere? Stan Pickens From jazzisjazz at mindspring.com Thu Feb 13 04:48:20 2003 From: jazzisjazz at mindspring.com (Stanley P. Pickens) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 22:48:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] TDK MA-XG's in the UK ... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.2.2.20030212224618.011b5370@mail.mindspring.com> Kent, If you don't mind my asking, have you received info on the shipping charge and if so how much was it? Stan Pickens From g_valkov at hotmail.com Thu Feb 13 12:36:05 2003 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 13:36:05 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Jens: Your stock of TDKs for the RX-505E Message-ID: As I mentioned in my earlier E-mail, I think the TPIV was discontinued in the middle of last year, since it appears no more on the EMTEC site. Maybe there are still some stocks left around - Jens, any ideas ? George ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Stanley P. Pickens" Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Jens: Your stock of TDKs for the RX-505E Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 22:34:43 -0500 Marc, Nice list, Does anybody know if emtec type 4 metal cassettes are still available anywhere? Stan Pickens _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From croquetgod at yahoo.com Thu Feb 13 13:09:32 2003 From: croquetgod at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jens-M.=20Arndt?=) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 13:09:32 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] Jens: Your stock of TDKs for the RX-505E In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030213120932.46686.qmail@web13504.mail.yahoo.com> George, I will check availability of the TPIV once I have received my RX505 (f**** german post, they have not been able to deliver the parcel yet, 5 days sofar/abt 400 miles , nice average speed...). I thought 340 euro to be a nice price for an rx505 but it is definitely too much if I will never receive the tape deck. Jens --- George Valkov schrieb: > As I mentioned in my earlier E-mail, I think the > TPIV was discontinued in > the middle of last year, since it appears no more on > the EMTEC site. Maybe > there are still some stocks left around - Jens, any > ideas ? > > George > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Stanley P. Pickens" > > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Jens: Your stock of TDKs for > the RX-505E > Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 22:34:43 -0500 > > Marc, > > Nice list, > Does anybody know if emtec type 4 metal cassettes > are still available > anywhere? > > Stan Pickens > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 > months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei http://premiummail.yahoo.de From wdrewes at iafrica.com Thu Feb 13 13:18:45 2003 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wme drewes) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 14:18:45 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Jens: Your stock of TDKs for the RX-505E References: Message-ID: <000501c2d35a$0ec4efa0$af16fea9@wdrewes> BASF TP 1V (not EMTEC) were still available in large quantities from Froeschl outlets in Germany. (I know because I bought more than I could digest there recently) Unfortunately one has to ferret them out oneself by personal appearance as they dont do mail orders. WALTER ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Valkov" To: Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Jens: Your stock of TDKs for the RX-505E > As I mentioned in my earlier E-mail, I think the TPIV was discontinued in > the middle of last year, since it appears no more on the EMTEC site. Maybe > there are still some stocks left around - Jens, any ideas ? > > George > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Stanley P. Pickens" > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Jens: Your stock of TDKs for the RX-505E > Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 22:34:43 -0500 > > Marc, > > Nice list, > Does anybody know if emtec type 4 metal cassettes are still available > anywhere? > > Stan Pickens > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > From khmerideth at anderson.edu Thu Feb 13 13:17:14 2003 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 07:17:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] TDK MA-XG's in the UK ... Message-ID: Stan, Good to see you participate on the list again. Have not received any additional contact indicating what the actual shipping charges would be from the U.K. The web site indicated confirmation of shipping charges would be forwarded for selection of mode of transportation, air or surface mail, and final approval. There was also mention that their site was experiencing difficulties and we may need to call the listed telephone number. I think Roland indicated he called and was quite unimpressed with the quality of response he was receiving. Have a suspicion my order may have gone into a "Black Hole", just hope I'm not close to the "Blue Event Horizon". Time will tell. Kent >>> jazzisjazz at mindspring.com 02/12/03 10:48PM >>> Kent, If you don't mind my asking, have you received info on the shipping charge and if so how much was it? 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Arndt" To: Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Jens: Your stock of TDKs for the RX-505E > George, > > I will check availability of the TPIV once I have > received my RX505 (f**** german post, they have not > been able to deliver the parcel yet, 5 days sofar/abt > 400 miles , nice average speed...). > > I thought 340 euro to be a nice price for an rx505 but > it is definitely too much if I will never receive the > tape deck. > > Jens > > > > > --- George Valkov schrieb: > > As I mentioned in my earlier E-mail, I think the > > TPIV was discontinued in > > the middle of last year, since it appears no more on > > the EMTEC site. Maybe > > there are still some stocks left around - Jens, any > > ideas ? > > > > George > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > From: "Stanley P. Pickens" > > > > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Jens: Your stock of TDKs for > > the RX-505E > > Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 22:34:43 -0500 > > > > Marc, > > > > Nice list, > > Does anybody know if emtec type 4 metal cassettes > > are still available > > anywhere? > > > > Stan Pickens > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 > > months FREE* > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > Naktalk at naks.com > > mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ===== > 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) > > __________________________________________________________________ > > Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de > Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei http://premiummail.yahoo.de > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From nicy at ya.com Thu Feb 13 15:55:16 2003 From: nicy at ya.com (JGascon) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 15:55:16 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Jens: Your stock of TDKs for the RX-505E References: <20030213120932.46686.qmail@web13504.mail.yahoo.com> <000f01c2d35a$b58058c0$af16fea9@wdrewes> Message-ID: <001901c2d36f$ec9c6be0$8f2b3b50@PcComunero> Another experience: In november I purchased a AMC 3030as amplifier (hibrid with tubes in the amp section) from USA. I live in Spain, so I decided to pay for a "global priority mail" for a fast delivery (tracking posibility included). I don´t know why, my amplifier was sent to Japan and it took about a month to reroute it to my country. Javier. ----- Original Message ----- From: "wme drewes" To: Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Jens: Your stock of TDKs for the RX-505E > Jens ,you people dont know how lucky you are .,being able to swear because > of a couple of days overdue! I waited for a Dragon from overseas for over 2 > months ! Dont worry it will arrive soon 1 > Walter > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jens-M. Arndt" > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 2:09 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Jens: Your stock of TDKs for the RX-505E > > > > George, > > > > I will check availability of the TPIV once I have > > received my RX505 (f**** german post, they have not > > been able to deliver the parcel yet, 5 days sofar/abt > > 400 miles , nice average speed...). > > > > I thought 340 euro to be a nice price for an rx505 but > > it is definitely too much if I will never receive the > > tape deck. > > > > Jens > > > > > > > > > > --- George Valkov schrieb: > > > As I mentioned in my earlier E-mail, I think the > > > TPIV was discontinued in > > > the middle of last year, since it appears no more on > > > the EMTEC site. Maybe > > > there are still some stocks left around - Jens, any > > > ideas ? > > > > > > George > > > > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > > From: "Stanley P. Pickens" > > > > > > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Jens: Your stock of TDKs for > > > the RX-505E > > > Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 22:34:43 -0500 > > > > > > Marc, > > > > > > Nice list, > > > Does anybody know if emtec type 4 metal cassettes > > > are still available > > > anywhere? > > > > > > Stan Pickens > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 > > > months FREE* > > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > Naktalk at naks.com > > > mailinglist > > > To maintain your account please go here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ===== > > 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, > man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in > einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry > Rowohlt) > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > > > > Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de > > Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei http://premiummail.yahoo.de > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > From roleo at telus.net Thu Feb 13 16:51:47 2003 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 07:51:47 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] TDK MA-XG's in the UK ... References: Message-ID: <000f01c2d377$d0cdea80$8075059a@desktop> Although I wasn't impressed with Tape City's "receptionist" (who might have been the cleaning woman - for all I know - who answered the phone considering it was evening in the UK) I went back on line and placed an order for tapes. The web site was giving me problems, but once I turned my firewall off, everything worked quite fine. Haven't got an exact shipping price back yet but got the response below from their company. (See below) --Roland *********************************************************** Dear Roland I am happy to advise you the shipping charge for 50 tapes to Canada. I will just check with the post office and advise you shortly. Best regards Chris www.tapecity.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: Kent Merideth To: jazzisjazz at mindspring.com ; naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 4:17 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] TDK MA-XG's in the UK ... Stan, Good to see you participate on the list again. Have not received any additional contact indicating what the actual shipping charges would be from the U.K. The web site indicated confirmation of shipping charges would be forwarded for selection of mode of transportation, air or surface mail, and final approval. There was also mention that their site was experiencing difficulties and we may need to call the listed telephone number. I think Roland indicated he called and was quite unimpressed with the quality of response he was receiving. Have a suspicion my order may have gone into a "Black Hole", just hope I'm not close to the "Blue Event Horizon". Time will tell. Kent >>> jazzisjazz at mindspring.com 02/12/03 10:48PM >>> Kent, If you don't mind my asking, have you received info on the shipping charge and if so how much was it? 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I already consider myself lucky had I won that auction yesterday =) Cheers, Salim SM (still waiting for my st-7 in US for 2 years ...) ----- Original Message ----- From: JGascon To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 9:55 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Jens: Your stock of TDKs for the RX-505E Another experience: In november I purchased a AMC 3030as amplifier (hibrid with tubes in the amp section) from USA. I live in Spain, so I decided to pay for a "global priority mail" for a fast delivery (tracking posibility included). I don´t know why, my amplifier was sent to Japan and it took about a month to reroute it to my country. Javier. ----- Original Message ----- From: "wme drewes" To: Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Jens: Your stock of TDKs for the RX-505E > Jens ,you people dont know how lucky you are .,being able to swear because > of a couple of days overdue! I waited for a Dragon from overseas for over 2 > months ! Dont worry it will arrive soon 1 > Walter From jmtooley at ce.net Thu Feb 13 17:54:33 2003 From: jmtooley at ce.net (jmtooley at ce.net) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 11:54:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] TDK MA-XG's in the UK ... In-Reply-To: <000f01c2d377$d0cdea80$8075059a@desktop> References: <000f01c2d377$d0cdea80$8075059a@desktop> Message-ID: <1045155273.3e4bcdc9f340f@mail.ce.net> I haven't heard anything from them yet. John T. Quoting Roland Alford : > Although I wasn't impressed with Tape City's "receptionist" (who might have > been the cleaning woman - for all I know - who answered the phone considering > it was evening in the UK) I went back on line and placed an order for tapes. > The web site was giving me problems, but once I turned my firewall off, > everything worked quite fine. > > Haven't got an exact shipping price back yet but got the response below from > their company. (See below) > > --Roland > > *********************************************************** > > Dear Roland > > I am happy to advise you the shipping charge for 50 tapes to Canada. I will > just check with the post office and advise you shortly. > > Best regards > > Chris > www.tapecity.co.uk > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kent Merideth > To: jazzisjazz at mindspring.com ; naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 4:17 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] TDK MA-XG's in the UK ... > > > Stan, > > Good to see you participate on the list again. Have not received any > additional contact indicating what the actual shipping charges would be from > the U.K. The web site indicated confirmation of shipping charges would be > forwarded for selection of mode of transportation, air or surface mail, and > final approval. There was also mention that their site was experiencing > difficulties and we may need to call the listed telephone number. I think > Roland indicated he called and was quite unimpressed with the quality of > response he was receiving. Have a suspicion my order may have gone into a > "Black Hole", just hope I'm not close to the "Blue Event Horizon". Time will > tell. > > Kent > > > >>> jazzisjazz at mindspring.com 02/12/03 10:48PM >>> > Kent, If you don't mind my asking, have you received info on the shipping > > charge and if so how much was it? > > Stan Pickens > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ ========= > From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Thu Feb 13 20:07:02 2003 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 20:07:02 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] TDK MA-XG's in the UK ... In-Reply-To: <1045155273.3e4bcdc9f340f@mail.ce.net> References: <000f01c2d377$d0cdea80$8075059a@desktop> <000f01c2d377$d0cdea80$8075059a@desktop> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030213200208.00a951e0@box.tin.it> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Feb 13 20:16:49 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 19:16:49 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Jens: Your stock of TDKs for the RX-505E In-Reply-To: <000f01c2d35a$b58058c0$af16fea9@wdrewes> Message-ID: <001501c2d394$757ad540$36944c51@oemcomputer> Ha! Ha! You're not wrong there, Walter. I've had stuff from the US take anything between 6-12 weeks by surface mail. (And the mail is soooo expensive from the US, too ...) Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > wme drewes > Sent: 13 February 2003 12:23 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Jens: Your stock of TDKs for the RX-505E > > > Jens ,you people dont know how lucky you are .,being able to swear because > of a couple of days overdue! I waited for a Dragon from overseas > for over 2 > months ! Dont worry it will arrive soon 1 > Walter > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jens-M. Arndt" > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 2:09 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Jens: Your stock of TDKs for the RX-505E > > > > George, > > > > I will check availability of the TPIV once I have > > received my RX505 (f**** german post, they have not > > been able to deliver the parcel yet, 5 days sofar/abt > > 400 miles , nice average speed...). > > > > I thought 340 euro to be a nice price for an rx505 but > > it is definitely too much if I will never receive the > > tape deck. > > > > Jens > > > > > > > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/03 From croquetgod at yahoo.com Thu Feb 13 20:28:08 2003 From: croquetgod at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jens-M.=20Arndt?=) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 20:28:08 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] Jens: Your stock of TDKs for the RX-505E In-Reply-To: <001501c2d394$757ad540$36944c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20030213192808.13823.qmail@web13504.mail.yahoo.com> ok, ok, ok! I was stupid to expect delivery within 2 or 3 days. As from now on I won't expect delivery prior my next birthday, i.e. I will grant the german post extension until mid of june. jens --- Graham Nelson schrieb: > Ha! Ha! You're not wrong there, Walter. I've had > stuff from the US take > anything between 6-12 weeks by surface mail. (And > the mail is soooo > expensive from the US, too ...) > > Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > wme drewes > > Sent: 13 February 2003 12:23 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Jens: Your stock of TDKs > for the RX-505E > > > > > > Jens ,you people dont know how lucky you are > .,being able to swear because > > of a couple of days overdue! I waited for a > Dragon from overseas > > for over 2 > > months ! Dont worry it will arrive soon 1 > > Walter > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jens-M. Arndt" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 2:09 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Jens: Your stock of TDKs > for the RX-505E > > > > > > > George, > > > > > > I will check availability of the TPIV once I > have > > > received my RX505 (f**** german post, they have > not > > > been able to deliver the parcel yet, 5 days > sofar/abt > > > 400 miles , nice average speed...). > > > > > > I thought 340 euro to be a nice price for an > rx505 but > > > it is definitely too much if I will never > receive the > > > tape deck. > > > > > > Jens > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system > (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release > Date: 27/01/03 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. 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References: <9596134A623ED511B7790002A56079740517A520@zrc2c010.us.nortel.com> Message-ID: <3E4C30A2.7D4C4B3F@earthlink.net> Heck, you guys can laugh if you want to but I'm buying some!! hehehe Jim Volpatti Charles Penry wrote: > > > Here you go, just what every audiophile must have!!! > > http://www.altmann.haan.de/tubeolator/default.htm > > ALTMANN MICRO MACHINES ... Dipl.-Ing. Charles Altmann ... Am > Muehlenbusch 57 ...42781 Haan ...Germany > > phone +49-2129-54260Š fax +49-2129-342555Š email altmann at haan.de . > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From blueswapper at angelfire.com Fri Feb 14 04:17:33 2003 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 19:17:33 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Magazine (Cassette Tape Comparsion) Message-ID: Howdy Herb - I'm remembering that there was a "Special Cassette Tape" issue from 1984, which covered all the classic brand names. Also, please look over the covers of the remaining issues from 1985 thru 1990. If you can identify any other "Special Cassette Tape" issues, kindly inform me. If possible, provide a synopsis of those articles, whether they will be of any use making comparisons of performance in relation to use in our Nak decks. Greatly appreciated! Oh, and I do owe you an email reply about ArcView data use. My apologies for shelving that one last month, I intended to confer with my spatial database specialists before responding to you . Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper ---Forwarded Message--- 1. Cassette Comparison (Audio Magazine) (Herb Chong) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- which issues? i have all issues from about 1983 to when they folded. Herb.... ____________________________________________________________ Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus From HerbChong at compuserve.com Fri Feb 14 05:00:38 2003 From: HerbChong at compuserve.com (Herb Chong) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 23:00:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Magazine (Cassette Tape Comparsion) Message-ID: <200302132300_MC3-1-2A37-AABF@compuserve.com> i'll get to it but they did a tape issue every year, so there should be one each year. let me look at the exact dates, but i seem to remember one of the summer issues. it turns out i am basically complete from about 1980 onwards. Herb.... From John at jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk Fri Feb 14 10:02:53 2003 From: John at jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 09:02:53 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] AT LONG LAST...THE ANSWER! References: <9596134A623ED511B7790002A56079740517A520@zrc2c010.us.nortel.com> <3E4C30A2.7D4C4B3F@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3E4CB0BD.1090308@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Yes, I know all of the arguments about 'smoke and mirrors'. But please consider that he claims that he can *measure* an effect. As Graham already knows, I have just cured a very loud, unpleasantly audible, buzzing from a transformer by the application of a resin potting compound - which is probably what this product is - so don't just dismiss this out of hand. I would be quite prepared to believe that this stuff could damp out a low-level microphonic effect somewhere in a circuit, enough to get a useful effect that one *might* be able to detect by listening. You might do even better by encapsulating the whole board, but that would make it impossible to repair or replace components of course! How much is he asking? Give it a try! (bit don't put it on the moving parts or the heads of your Naks of course!) John Walker, keeping the old mind open Jim Volpatti wrote: > Heck, you guys can laugh if you want to but I'm buying some!! hehehe > > Jim Volpatti > > > Charles Penry wrote: > >> Here you go, just what every audiophile must have!!! >> >> http://www.altmann.haan.de/tubeolator/default.htm >> >> ALTMANN MICRO MACHINES ... Dipl.-Ing. Charles Altmann ... Am >> Muehlenbusch 57 ...42781 Haan ...Germany >> >> phone +49-2129-54260Š fax +49-2129-342555Š email altmann at haan.de . >> From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Feb 14 11:10:33 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 12:10:33 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] TDK MA-XG's in the UK ... Message-ID: Great Stan, Sorry not to have replied yesterday, but I'm glad that you located worthwhile prices on that desirable metal. Similar prices (available volumes not certain) for the same tape should there at Pricebuster. I would go for the Pricebuster in Harrow as opposed to the other one which is in london Central, either Paddington or Edgeware Road. Much like your and other naktalker experiences with Tape City, there is a lady there (Edgeware Rd) that runs that store who seems to be a "forty watter", i.e. she doesn't know whether she's having a haircut or a hamburger. However, the Harrow branch are geared for export (international) and are great to deal with. If all these UK Sterling 1.95 prices dry up, give KVJ a shot. They are in the east-end of London in Whitechapel/Algate East. Jump off at the Aldgate East tube on the District line heading east, and you're right there. It's a great little Asian family store that have been absolutely tops in recordable media for years. They are wonderful, friendly folk and will might even "do a deal". They should have these tapes for UK Sterling 2.95, which is still a great price. They only do local mail order however but the main thing is to secure the stock while it's available (with a friend or relative in the UK), then you've got a great excuse to visit jolly 'ol England!! Cheers, Marc >>> stan.targowski at attbi.com 02/12/03 06:57PM >>> Mark - thanks for the links. http://www.tapecity.co.uk/acatalog/ seems to have a great deal on TDK MA-XG90 cassettes - 1.95 GBP (about $3.20). I just gave them a shot - even with shipping, this should be a great deal. As far as I know this tape is long discontinued and was never made anywhere else other than Japan. Stan -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of Mark Hugo Sent: Wed, February 12, 2003 6:52 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Jens: Your stock of TDKs for the RX-505E Hi Jens, Even though you have got those tapes already, nothing is yet lost!! Keep the receipt and should a problem arise the shop may give you a refund for the unopened units if you explain the problem. After all, THEY don't loose anything. They just pick up a credit from the supplier. And of course............you might find the tapes completely satisfactory. For your reference, here are some useful links for getting a wider choice of blank media, perhaps Maxells, Sonys and your own country's superb BASF (now called EMTEC). As George said, the BASF Reference Maxima TPII is superb. http://www.bswonline.com/BSWOnline/default.asp?404;http://www.bswonline.com/ public/prod_subcat.asp http://www.cassettehouse.com/ http://www.tapeworld.com/ http://www.pricebuster.org.uk/ http://www.lynx.net.uk/design2new/ https://www.protape.co.uk/cgi-bin/protape.storefront http://www.svs-media.fsbusiness.co.uk/ http://www.tapecity.co.uk/acatalog/ http://www.tm-tape.com/ http://search-desc.ebay.com/search/search.dll?cgiurl=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.c om%2Fws%2F&MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&query=blank+tapes&categoryid=&ht=1&srch desc=y&SortProperty=MetaEndSort&BasicSearch=&from=R2&catref=C3 http://www.richersounds.com/ I look forward to hearing the outcome and wish you good luck with your new RX-505E. Regards, Marc The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. 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From khmerideth at anderson.edu Fri Feb 14 14:14:03 2003 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 08:14:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Magazine (Cassette Tape Comparsion) Message-ID: Herb, Just for the record, here is a list of all the tape reports from Audio magazine, that I am aware of: September, 1978, pgs. 42-53 & 100; 58 tapes reviewed December, 1978, pgs. 71-72; 3 tapes addendum September, 1979, pgs. 50-57; 4 metal tapes September, 1980, pgs. 44-55; 37 tapes September, 1983, pgs. 34-44; 77 tapes September, 1984, pgs. 47-49; 12 tapes November, 1984, pg. 15; erratum December, 1984, pg. 5; erratum June, 1986, pgs. 75-84; 49 tapes November, 1987, pgs. 51-61; 35 tapes March, 1990, pgs. 45-62; 88 tapes June, 1993, pgs. 38-54; 51 tapes Hope this helps. A note of contention on the title of the last review; it is actually the 4th largest tape test by Audio, not the 2nd largest. I do not have a scanner and the Instructional Materials Center (IMC) at Anderson University gets pretty heavy use, with the students and faculty getting priority over staff, especially when it is for personal, not institutional, use. Not to mention the three times I have tried to use the scanner, my results were fair to marginal. My notes seemed to make sense at the time of instruction, but when I made my second and third attempts at usage, they were progressively worse in results. When it came to getting rid of artifacts, it was very discouraging for me, as the good parts seemed to get worse; even to the point of the whole page not being very viewable. The shaded areas were better, but the unshaded areas were getting very faint. Because of my frustrations, I was getting faint also! Kent >>> HerbChong at compuserve.com 02/13/03 11:00PM >>> i'll get to it but they did a tape issue every year, so there should be one each year. let me look at the exact dates, but i seem to remember one of the summer issues. it turns out i am basically complete from about 1980 onwards. Herb.... ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Feb 14 14:36:32 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 15:36:32 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Magazine (Cassette Tape Comparsion) Message-ID: Wow, Kent!!! That is an incredibly desirable collection of reviews. But clearly, a lot of work AND time if you were to do anything......copying, scanning, anything. Apart from the variation in decks, calibration etc, the variety of tapes and their inidvidual characteristics is what made (and continues to make) analogue recording so challenging and rewarding. Marc >>> khmerideth at anderson.edu 02/14/03 03:14PM >>> Herb, Just for the record, here is a list of all the tape reports from Audio magazine, that I am aware of: September, 1978, pgs. 42-53 & 100; 58 tapes reviewed December, 1978, pgs. 71-72; 3 tapes addendum September, 1979, pgs. 50-57; 4 metal tapes September, 1980, pgs. 44-55; 37 tapes September, 1983, pgs. 34-44; 77 tapes September, 1984, pgs. 47-49; 12 tapes November, 1984, pg. 15; erratum December, 1984, pg. 5; erratum June, 1986, pgs. 75-84; 49 tapes November, 1987, pgs. 51-61; 35 tapes March, 1990, pgs. 45-62; 88 tapes June, 1993, pgs. 38-54; 51 tapes Hope this helps. A note of contention on the title of the last review; it is actually the 4th largest tape test by Audio, not the 2nd largest. I do not have a scanner and the Instructional Materials Center (IMC) at Anderson University gets pretty heavy use, with the students and faculty getting priority over staff, especially when it is for personal, not institutional, use. Not to mention the three times I have tried to use the scanner, my results were fair to marginal. My notes seemed to make sense at the time of instruction, but when I made my second and third attempts at usage, they were progressively worse in results. When it came to getting rid of artifacts, it was very discouraging for me, as the good parts seemed to get worse; even to the point of the whole page not being very viewable. The shaded areas were better, but the unshaded areas were getting very faint. Because of my frustrations, I was getting faint also! Kent >>> HerbChong at compuserve.com 02/13/03 11:00PM >>> i'll get to it but they did a tape issue every year, so there should be one each year. let me look at the exact dates, but i seem to remember one of the summer issues. it turns out i am basically complete from about 1980 onwards. Herb.... ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. 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From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Feb 14 16:38:17 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 10:38:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] AT LONG LAST...THE ANSWER! References: <9596134A623ED511B7790002A56079740517A520@zrc2c010.us.nortel.com> <3E4C30A2.7D4C4B3F@earthlink.net> <3E4CB0BD.1090308@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <3E4D0D69.F7F77508@rcn.com> John Walker wrote: > > Yes, I know all of the arguments about 'smoke and mirrors'. But please > consider that he claims that he can *measure* an effect. That's right; the key word is, he *claims*. How many of the potential suck... er, customers that will buy this have a $50,000 FFT analyzer at their disposal? > As Graham > already knows, I have just cured a very loud, unpleasantly audible, > buzzing from a transformer by the application of a resin potting > compound - which is probably what this product is - so don't just > dismiss this out of hand. So, because Aspirin does cure headaches, we should take seriously the claim that it cures broken bones? > I would be quite prepared to believe that this stuff could damp out a > low-level microphonic effect somewhere in a circuit... Not 'Somewhere', but , specifically, ICs. They claim "The Altmann Tube-o-lator lacquer is an overtone-filter coating-compound for plastic semiconductor packages." Problem is, ICs are not microphonic (clue: they are called, SS). Not a little, not a smidgen, but absolute ZERO microphonics. (Transformer plates do vibrate. ICs do not). Besides, they claim that it removes *any* overtones (see quote above). This means, it must filter out not just harmonic distortion products, but also overtones that are part of the music itself (since, how would it know to differentiate?). By their own claim, it *introduces* distortion... > ... enough to get a > useful effect that one *might* be able to detect by listening. You might > do even better by encapsulating the whole board, Just about maybe, because cheap capacitors *can* be microphonic. But then, what would cheap capacitors be doing in out high quality audio equipment? > impossible to repair or replace components of course! How much is he > asking? Give it a try! LOL. While you are at it, smear some grease over the chassis (the music will slide out better). After all, it doesn't have to make sense, just give it a try... The interesting part about 'giving it a try' is that there are always some suckers that actually hear an improvement. The more expensive a tweak is, the more pronounced the improvement. That's how they sell $600 line cords and $15 green markers. > (bit don't put it on the moving parts or the > heads of your Naks of course!) Good advice... Don't put it on your own head, either. -- Ron > John Walker, keeping the old mind open > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > Heck, you guys can laugh if you want to but I'm buying some!! hehehe > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > Charles Penry wrote: > > > >> Here you go, just what every audiophile must have!!! > >> > >> http://www.altmann.haan.de/tubeolator/default.htm > >> > >> ALTMANN MICRO MACHINES ... Dipl.-Ing. Charles Altmann ... Am > >> Muehlenbusch 57 ...42781 Haan ...Germany > >> > >> phone +49-2129-54260Š fax +49-2129-342555Š email altmann at haan.de . > >> > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Feb 14 19:15:39 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 18:15:39 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] AT LONG LAST...THE ANSWER! In-Reply-To: <3E4CB0BD.1090308@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <000701c2d455$1454b6c0$e87c893e@oemcomputer> In fairness, I think John's right, that an open mind is right. I recall several articles in the past upon how reducing vibrations can affect the sound produced by components, and this might be a similar case. I tried this out, not really expecting a positive result, on an external DAC. I DID perceive a difference when Sorbothane was stuck to several components within the ADC ... note, I qualify that by saying "perceived" - I didn't measure any difference because a) I don't have any equipment for measuring, and b) I'd not know how to use it anyway! However, I stress - I did NOT expect to hear the differences I believe I could hear. I offer no explanation as to why reducing vibrations might affect components save that perhaps minute flaws within them, or on their connections might affect signals passing through them when they vibrate? Graham > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > John Walker > Sent: 14 February 2003 09:03 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] AT LONG LAST...THE ANSWER! > > > Yes, I know all of the arguments about 'smoke and mirrors'. But please > consider that he claims that he can *measure* an effect. As Graham > already knows, I have just cured a very loud, unpleasantly audible, > buzzing from a transformer by the application of a resin potting > compound - which is probably what this product is - so don't just > dismiss this out of hand. > I would be quite prepared to believe that this stuff could damp out a > low-level microphonic effect somewhere in a circuit, enough to get a > useful effect that one *might* be able to detect by listening. You might > do even better by encapsulating the whole board, but that would make it > impossible to repair or replace components of course! How much is he > asking? Give it a try! (bit don't put it on the moving parts or the > heads of your Naks of course!) > > John Walker, keeping the old mind open > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > Heck, you guys can laugh if you want to but I'm buying some!! hehehe > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > Charles Penry wrote: > > > >> Here you go, just what every audiophile must have!!! > >> > >> http://www.altmann.haan.de/tubeolator/default.htm > >> > >> ALTMANN MICRO MACHINES ... Dipl.-Ing. Charles Altmann ... Am > >> Muehlenbusch 57 ...42781 Haan ...Germany > >> > >> phone +49-2129-54260Š fax +49-2129-342555Š email altmann at haan.de . > >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/03 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/03 From John at jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk Fri Feb 14 20:29:10 2003 From: John at jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 19:29:10 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] AT LONG LAST...THE ANSWER! References: <000701c2d455$1454b6c0$e87c893e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3E4D4386.40809@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Thanks Graham - and sorry to all of you who are bored with this kind of debate. (See my last paragraph.) Ron's reply (and approach) reminds me of another debate that I had with another hard-line objectivist (Ken Kessler's great term) about vibration and microphony. My point was the same in both cases. The late Julian Vereker of Naim Audio mounted the PCBs for that company's top of the range CD players on small leaf springs because (I understand) that this was the only way to cure a microphony issue. I do not know the details, but I do know that Julian knew what he was doing, and would not add features without a good, engineering reason. The top-of-the range Naim CD player has been around for 12 years now (it's been through a few design iterations), sells for several grand each, and the factory sells every one that it can make. High end equipment, especially CD players, have to use integrated circuits that were designed for lower performance, lower margin items of equipment. It does not surprise me in the least that you can extract a performance improvement from such circuits by a bit of lateral thinking which leads one to reach for potting compound or some springs. Ron seems to live in a world where the theory always describes the circuit or system with absolute precision. In my considerable experience of bringing together complex systems, this approach (reliance on a theoretical model of how a design behaves) can lead to unexpected faults and problems during integration. What one should do is to build a prototype, test, listen, analyse, and where necessary recitify. That is a scientific approach. Believing that the analysis is incorrect, because the theory says it cannot happen, is, well, unscientific, and can lead to sub-optimal products. It is *especially* dangerous to ignore the analysis when that has been carried out by a less technical end-user. Finally, after all, its only a hobby, and some of us might enjoy slapping this stuff all over our CD player in case it makes a difference. I guess I resent being told that I am a sucker for wanting to enjoy my hobby, and trying out something out that might work, or might not. Try it - what have you got to lose? But don't tell Ron you did it, for goodness' sake! John Walker Graham Nelson wrote: >In fairness, I think John's right, that an open mind is right. I recall >several articles in the past upon how reducing vibrations can affect the >sound produced by components, and this might be a similar case. I tried >this out, not really expecting a positive result, on an external DAC. I DID >perceive a difference when Sorbothane was stuck to several components within >the ADC ... note, I qualify that by saying "perceived" - I didn't measure >any difference because a) I don't have any equipment for measuring, and b) >I'd not know how to use it anyway! However, I stress - I did NOT expect to >hear the differences I believe I could hear. I offer no explanation as to >why reducing vibrations might affect components save that perhaps minute >flaws within them, or on their connections might affect signals passing >through them when they vibrate? > >Graham > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of >>John Walker >>Sent: 14 February 2003 09:03 >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] AT LONG LAST...THE ANSWER! >> >> >>Yes, I know all of the arguments about 'smoke and mirrors'. But please >>consider that he claims that he can *measure* an effect. As Graham >>already knows, I have just cured a very loud, unpleasantly audible, >>buzzing from a transformer by the application of a resin potting >>compound - which is probably what this product is - so don't just >>dismiss this out of hand. >>I would be quite prepared to believe that this stuff could damp out a >>low-level microphonic effect somewhere in a circuit, enough to get a >>useful effect that one *might* be able to detect by listening. You might >>do even better by encapsulating the whole board, but that would make it >>impossible to repair or replace components of course! How much is he >>asking? Give it a try! (bit don't put it on the moving parts or the >>heads of your Naks of course!) >> >>John Walker, keeping the old mind open >> >>Jim Volpatti wrote: >> >> >> >>>Heck, you guys can laugh if you want to but I'm buying some!! hehehe >>> >>>Jim Volpatti >>> >>> >>>Charles Penry wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>Here you go, just what every audiophile must have!!! >>>> >>>>http://www.altmann.haan.de/tubeolator/default.htm >>>> >>>>ALTMANN MICRO MACHINES ... Dipl.-Ing. Charles Altmann ... Am >>>>Muehlenbusch 57 ...42781 Haan ...Germany >>>> >>>>phone +49-2129-54260` fax +49-2129-342555` email altmann at haan.de . >>>> >>>> >>>> >>========---------------------------------------------------------- >>--------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>To maintain your account please go here: >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------- >>--------========= >> >>--- >>Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >>Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/03 >> >> >> >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/03 > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > From bjgrady at pacbell.net Fri Feb 14 20:49:18 2003 From: bjgrady at pacbell.net (John) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 11:49:18 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] AT LONG LAST...THE ANSWER! In-Reply-To: <3E4D4386.40809@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <000901c2d462$2a3735a0$5900a8c0@SUPPORT.RENTANAPT.COM> Right on Johnny! Totally agree w/ u on your post below. I sometimes purchase stuff like this. Sometimes I figure I just wasted some money & sometimes not. Who cares, had fun at least trying it. For most of us on this list, this is just a hobby. & it seems to me that in partaking in this hobby, we are trying to extract the very best possible sound off our software. So in this end, I feel that the ears should make the final analysis as to what one thinks sounds good. Who cares what theory says it might be bunk or maybe that it may actually measures pretty crappy....if it sounds good.....all is well. Cal John. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of John Walker Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 11:29 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] AT LONG LAST...THE ANSWER! Thanks Graham - and sorry to all of you who are bored with this kind of debate. (See my last paragraph.) Ron's reply (and approach) reminds me of another debate that I had with another hard-line objectivist (Ken Kessler's great term) about vibration and microphony. My point was the same in both cases. The late Julian Vereker of Naim Audio mounted the PCBs for that company's top of the range CD players on small leaf springs because (I understand) that this was the only way to cure a microphony issue. I do not know the details, but I do know that Julian knew what he was doing, and would not add features without a good, engineering reason. The top-of-the range Naim CD player has been around for 12 years now (it's been through a few design iterations), sells for several grand each, and the factory sells every one that it can make. High end equipment, especially CD players, have to use integrated circuits that were designed for lower performance, lower margin items of equipment. It does not surprise me in the least that you can extract a performance improvement from such circuits by a bit of lateral thinking which leads one to reach for potting compound or some springs. Ron seems to live in a world where the theory always describes the circuit or system with absolute precision. In my considerable experience of bringing together complex systems, this approach (reliance on a theoretical model of how a design behaves) can lead to unexpected faults and problems during integration. What one should do is to build a prototype, test, listen, analyse, and where necessary recitify. That is a scientific approach. Believing that the analysis is incorrect, because the theory says it cannot happen, is, well, unscientific, and can lead to sub-optimal products. It is *especially* dangerous to ignore the analysis when that has been carried out by a less technical end-user. Finally, after all, its only a hobby, and some of us might enjoy slapping this stuff all over our CD player in case it makes a difference. I guess I resent being told that I am a sucker for wanting to enjoy my hobby, and trying out something out that might work, or might not. Try it - what have you got to lose? But don't tell Ron you did it, for goodness' sake! From HerbChong at compuserve.com Fri Feb 14 21:10:34 2003 From: HerbChong at compuserve.com (Herb Chong) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 15:10:34 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] AT LONG LAST...THE ANSWER! Message-ID: <200302141510_MC3-1-29E0-5973@compuserve.com> Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com >So in this end, I feel that the ears should make the final analysis as to what one thinks sounds good. Who cares what theory says it might be bunk or maybe that it may actually measures pretty crappy....if it sounds good.....all is well. Cal John.< the trouble is, people equate "what sounds good" to "more accurate", "less distortion", etc. Herb.... From bjgrady at pacbell.net Fri Feb 14 22:13:44 2003 From: bjgrady at pacbell.net (John) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 13:13:44 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] AT LONG LAST...THE ANSWER! In-Reply-To: <200302141510_MC3-1-29E0-5973@compuserve.com> Message-ID: <000001c2d46d$f54bbb20$5900a8c0@SUPPORT.RENTANAPT.COM> Maybe so, but who are u building the system for? To impress critics or friends? Guy next door comes to your house to listen to your rig. He says it sounds like crap. Just someone else's opinion. This debate is one of those that never ends. Almost like debating religion. Cal John. the trouble is, people equate "what sounds good" to "more accurate", "less distortion", etc. Herb.... From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Feb 15 00:02:08 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 18:02:08 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] AT LONG LAST...THE ANSWER! References: <000701c2d455$1454b6c0$e87c893e@oemcomputer> <3E4D4386.40809@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <3E4D7570.39F3FEA2@rcn.com> If you guys don't mind, I'll move my comments to this discussion to AudioTalk. After all, this is way OT for NakTalk -- it's what AudioTalk was set up for. -- Ron From bjgrady at pacbell.net Sat Feb 15 00:13:01 2003 From: bjgrady at pacbell.net (John) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 15:13:01 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] AT LONG LAST...THE ANSWER! In-Reply-To: <3E4D7570.39F3FEA2@rcn.com> Message-ID: <000601c2d47e$9fb6a470$5900a8c0@SUPPORT.RENTANAPT.COM> OOPS. Sorry. I should have realized that. On to AudioTalk it is! Cal John. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 3:02 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] AT LONG LAST...THE ANSWER! If you guys don't mind, I'll move my comments to this discussion to AudioTalk. After all, this is way OT for NakTalk -- it's what AudioTalk was set up for. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From gwmunger at bestweb.net Sat Feb 15 01:22:20 2003 From: gwmunger at bestweb.net (geochapp20) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 19:22:20 EST Subject: [naktalk] Re: what every audiophile must have... Message-ID: <3e4d883c.8a09.0@bestweb.net> Hello Naktalk universe. I am George Munger and I am new to this list. I like Naks **very** much; I own (and very fond of) a Dragon and I expect to receive a used 'TD-1200-Limited' in a few weeks. To Jim Volpatti: Please let us know if the 'Tubeolator' works as claimed by their web site, and also how long it took you to receive it after placing the order. Thanks. George Munger >Here you go, just what every audiophile must have!!! > >http://www.altmann.haan.de/tubeolator/default.htm=20 > >ALTMANN MICRO MACHINES ... Dipl.-Ing. Charles Altmann ... Am = >Muehlenbusch 57 >...42781 Haan ...Germany > >phone +49-2129-54260=A9 fax +49-2129-342555=A9 email altmann at haan.de . > >=20 > > >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > > >--------------139AD25D5EAC371857565995 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > >Heck, you guys can laugh if you want to but I'm buying some!! hehehe > >Jim Volpatti > > > > >Charles Penry wrote: > >> >> >> Here you go, just what every audiophile must have!!! >> >> http://www.altmann.haan.de/tubeolator/default.htm >> >> ALTMANN MICRO MACHINES ... Dipl.-Ing. Charles Altmann ... Am >> Muehlenbusch 57 ...42781 Haan ...Germany >> >> phone +49-2129-54260Š fax +49-2129-342555Š email altmann at haan.de . From g_valkov at hotmail.com Sat Feb 15 01:27:47 2003 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 02:27:47 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] TDK MA-XG's in the UK ... Message-ID: Mark, I have no idea when where you last in London, but there is no Pricebuster in Harrow, nor Paddington nor Edgware Road, at least according to yell.com. KVJ however are still there, but I don't know if they have MA-XGs. I can give them a ring tomorrow and find out. George ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Mark Hugo" Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: Subject: RE: [naktalk] TDK MA-XG's in the UK ... Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 12:10:33 +0200 Great Stan, Sorry not to have replied yesterday, but I'm glad that you located worthwhile prices on that desirable metal. Similar prices (available volumes not certain) for the same tape should there at Pricebuster. I would go for the Pricebuster in Harrow as opposed to the other one which is in london Central, either Paddington or Edgeware Road. Much like your and other naktalker experiences with Tape City, there is a lady there (Edgeware Rd) that runs that store who seems to be a "forty watter", i.e. she doesn't know whether she's having a haircut or a hamburger. However, the Harrow branch are geared for export (international) and are great to deal with. If all these UK Sterling 1.95 prices dry up, give KVJ a shot. They are in the east-end of London in Whitechapel/Algate East. Jump off at the Aldgate East tube on the District line heading east, and you're right there. It's a great little Asian family store that have been absolutely tops in recordable media for years. They are wonderful, friendly folk and will might even "do a deal". They should have these tapes for UK Sterling 2.95, which is still a great price. They only do local mail order however but the main thing is to secure the stock while it's available (with a friend or relative in the UK), then you've got a great excuse to visit jolly 'ol England!! Cheers, Marc _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sat Feb 15 03:16:45 2003 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 18:16:45 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: what every audiophile must have... References: <3e4d883c.8a09.0@bestweb.net> Message-ID: <3E4DA30C.C7DCE497@earthlink.net> You'll have to excuse my sarcastic sense of humor, George. I wasn't serious about purchasing the compound. Who knows. Maybe the stuff works. I just don't feel like spending $80 to find out. If anyone else here has the notion to give it a try, please get back to us with your impressions. Cheers, Jim Volpatti geochapp20 wrote: > Hello Naktalk universe. I am George Munger and I am new to this list. I like > Naks **very** much; I own (and very fond of) a Dragon and I expect to receive > a used 'TD-1200-Limited' in a few weeks. > > To Jim Volpatti: Please let us know if the 'Tubeolator' works as claimed by > their web site, and also how long it took you to receive it after placing the > order. Thanks. George Munger > > >Here you go, just what every audiophile must have!!! > > > >http://www.altmann.haan.de/tubeolator/default.htm=20 > > > >ALTMANN MICRO MACHINES ... Dipl.-Ing. Charles Altmann ... Am = > >Muehlenbusch 57 > >...42781 Haan ...Germany > > > >phone +49-2129-54260=A9 fax +49-2129-342555=A9 email altmann at haan.de . > > > >=20 > > > > > >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > >--------------139AD25D5EAC371857565995 > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > > >Heck, you guys can laugh if you want to but I'm buying some!! hehehe > > > >Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > >Charles Penry wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> Here you go, just what every audiophile must have!!! > >> > >> http://www.altmann.haan.de/tubeolator/default.htm > >> > >> ALTMANN MICRO MACHINES ... Dipl.-Ing. Charles Altmann ... Am > >> Muehlenbusch 57 ...42781 Haan ...Germany > >> > >> phone +49-2129-54260Š fax +49-2129-342555Š email altmann at haan.de . > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Sat Feb 15 04:52:32 2003 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 22:52:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] AT LONG LAST...THE ANSWER! References: <000001c2d46d$f54bbb20$5900a8c0@SUPPORT.RENTANAPT.COM> Message-ID: <3E4DB980.3080707@snet.net> At the risk of igniting flames over the subject I've been known to tell a high end audio dealer friend of mine that the reason I like listening to analog more than digital is because of the fact that it is in some ways an "inferior" format. Interchannel phase differences, somewhat higher levels of distortion, slight amounts of pre and post echo and all the other stuff that vinyl is all about is also the very stuff that lends to the warm, open, and inviting sound of the format. Interestingly, it seems that the main caveat from the audiophile press over the ultra expensive tables that really begin to break through some of the technical limitations of the format is that they come off sounding closer to digital than analog... they begin to get a little cold and sterile. Having grown up on LP's and tubes I beleive that a number of people of a similar age want at a subconscious level to hear a certain amount of harmonically related distortions... that this is where the electronic reproduction can take on some of the organic qualities of real instuments in a real performance. Of course my friend always cringes when I go into this sort of talk and I also will add that 44.1k digital has it's own real issues in terms of high frequency resolution that can't be overlooked. I must confess that it is difficult for me at times to come to terms with the fact that the more I've moved my own system toward a more analytical and detail oriented presentation the more I feel the need to go back something of a more musical presentation... after all, what good is the ability to count the individual violins in an orchestra if you're not really becoming involved in the musical performance. Ed John wrote: >Maybe so, but who are u building the system for? To impress critics or >friends? Guy next door comes to your house to listen to your rig. He says it >sounds like crap. Just someone else's opinion. > >This debate is one of those that never ends. Almost like debating religion. > >Cal John. > > > > >the trouble is, people equate "what sounds good" to "more accurate", "less >distortion", etc. > >Herb.... > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Sat Feb 15 08:25:50 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 09:25:50 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] TDK MA-XG's in the UK ... Message-ID: Hi George, About a year ago, but I've talked with them on the phone since then. Let me check and get back to you. Cheers, Marc >>> g_valkov at hotmail.com 02/15/03 02:27AM >>> Mark, I have no idea when where you last in London, but there is no Pricebuster in Harrow, nor Paddington nor Edgware Road, at least according to yell.com. KVJ however are still there, but I don't know if they have MA-XGs. I can give them a ring tomorrow and find out. George ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Mark Hugo" Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: Subject: RE: [naktalk] TDK MA-XG's in the UK ... Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 12:10:33 +0200 Great Stan, Sorry not to have replied yesterday, but I'm glad that you located worthwhile prices on that desirable metal. Similar prices (available volumes not certain) for the same tape should there at Pricebuster. I would go for the Pricebuster in Harrow as opposed to the other one which is in london Central, either Paddington or Edgeware Road. Much like your and other naktalker experiences with Tape City, there is a lady there (Edgeware Rd) that runs that store who seems to be a "forty watter", i.e. she doesn't know whether she's having a haircut or a hamburger. However, the Harrow branch are geared for export (international) and are great to deal with. If all these UK Sterling 1.95 prices dry up, give KVJ a shot. They are in the east-end of London in Whitechapel/Algate East. Jump off at the Aldgate East tube on the District line heading east, and you're right there. It's a great little Asian family store that have been absolutely tops in recordable media for years. They are wonderful, friendly folk and will might even "do a deal". They should have these tapes for UK Sterling 2.95, which is still a great price. They only do local mail order however but the main thing is to secure the stock while it's available (with a friend or relative in the UK), then you've got a great excuse to visit jolly 'ol England!! Cheers, Marc _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Feb 15 15:00:38 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 09:00:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] AT LONG LAST...THE ANSWER! References: <000001c2d46d$f54bbb20$5900a8c0@SUPPORT.RENTANAPT.COM> <3E4DB980.3080707@snet.net> Message-ID: <3E4E4806.970FBBC@rcn.com> Ed, I commented to your excellent post on AudioTalk. -- Ron Ed Noyes wrote: > > At the risk of igniting flames over the subject I've been known to tell > a high end audio dealer friend of mine that the reason I like listening > to analog more than digital is because of the fact that it is in some > ways an "inferior" format. Interchannel phase differences, somewhat > higher levels of distortion, slight amounts of pre and post echo and all > the other stuff that vinyl is all about is also the very stuff that > lends to the warm, open, and inviting sound of the format. > Interestingly, it seems that the main caveat from the audiophile press > over the ultra expensive tables that really begin to break through some > of the technical limitations of the format is that they come off > sounding closer to digital than analog... they begin to get a little > cold and sterile. Having grown up on LP's and tubes I beleive that a > number of people of a similar age want at a subconscious level to hear a > certain amount of harmonically related distortions... that this is where > the electronic reproduction can take on some of the organic qualities of > real instuments in a real performance. Of course my friend always > cringes when I go into this sort of talk and I also will add that 44.1k > digital has it's own real issues in terms of high frequency resolution > that can't be overlooked. I must confess that it is difficult for me at > times to come to terms with the fact that the more I've moved my own > system toward a more analytical and detail oriented presentation the > more I feel the need to go back something of a more musical > presentation... after all, what good is the ability to count the > individual violins in an orchestra if you're not really becoming > involved in the musical performance. > > Ed > > John wrote: > > >Maybe so, but who are u building the system for? To impress critics or > >friends? Guy next door comes to your house to listen to your rig. He says it > >sounds like crap. Just someone else's opinion. > > > >This debate is one of those that never ends. Almost like debating religion. > > > >Cal John. > > > > > > > > > >the trouble is, people equate "what sounds good" to "more accurate", "less > >distortion", etc. > > > >Herb.... > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mariano at starnet.net.ph Sat Feb 15 00:43:38 2003 From: mariano at starnet.net.ph (Mariano L. Honrado, Jr.) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 07:43:38 +0800 Subject: [naktalk] Audiotalk Message-ID: <000001c2d501$caab6930$410ab0cb@honrado7ignxhf> I know I signed up for audiotalk but due probably to some glitch the confirmation was garbled. May I know how to log on / reenlist in audiotalk? Many thanx! Mariano -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From John at jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk Sat Feb 15 16:31:25 2003 From: John at jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 15:31:25 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] AT LONG LAST...THE ANSWER! References: <000001c2d46d$f54bbb20$5900a8c0@SUPPORT.RENTANAPT.COM> <3E4DB980.3080707@snet.net> <3E4E4806.970FBBC@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3E4E5D4D.8010305@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Ron - you are right to move this over to AudioTalk. I will catch up with our excellent and enjoyable debate once I have worked out how to sign on. And apologies to those of you who aren't interested. John Ron wrote: >Ed, > >I commented to your excellent post on AudioTalk. > >-- Ron > > >Ed Noyes wrote: > > >>At the risk of igniting flames over the subject I've been known to tell >>a high end audio dealer friend of mine that the reason I like listening >>to analog more than digital is because of the fact that it is in some >>ways an "inferior" format. Interchannel phase differences, somewhat >>higher levels of distortion, slight amounts of pre and post echo and all >>the other stuff that vinyl is all about is also the very stuff that >>lends to the warm, open, and inviting sound of the format. >>Interestingly, it seems that the main caveat from the audiophile press >>over the ultra expensive tables that really begin to break through some >>of the technical limitations of the format is that they come off >>sounding closer to digital than analog... they begin to get a little >>cold and sterile. Having grown up on LP's and tubes I beleive that a >>number of people of a similar age want at a subconscious level to hear a >>certain amount of harmonically related distortions... that this is where >>the electronic reproduction can take on some of the organic qualities of >>real instuments in a real performance. Of course my friend always >>cringes when I go into this sort of talk and I also will add that 44.1k >>digital has it's own real issues in terms of high frequency resolution >>that can't be overlooked. I must confess that it is difficult for me at >>times to come to terms with the fact that the more I've moved my own >>system toward a more analytical and detail oriented presentation the >>more I feel the need to go back something of a more musical >>presentation... after all, what good is the ability to count the >>individual violins in an orchestra if you're not really becoming >>involved in the musical performance. >> >>Ed >> >>John wrote: >> >> >> >>>Maybe so, but who are u building the system for? To impress critics or >>>friends? Guy next door comes to your house to listen to your rig. He says it >>>sounds like crap. Just someone else's opinion. >>> >>>This debate is one of those that never ends. Almost like debating religion. >>> >>>Cal John. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>the trouble is, people equate "what sounds good" to "more accurate", "less >>>distortion", etc. >>> >>>Herb.... >>> >>>========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > From lcashjr at nc.rr.com Sat Feb 15 17:02:25 2003 From: lcashjr at nc.rr.com (Sandy Cash) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 11:02:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] AT LONG LAST...THE ANSWER! References: <000001c2d46d$f54bbb20$5900a8c0@SUPPORT.RENTANAPT.COM> <3E4DB980.3080707@snet.net> <3E4E4806.970FBBC@rcn.com> <3E4E5D4D.8010305@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <000501c2d50b$a2004b40$0300a8c0@sandpiper> I would be very curious to see how this discussion plays out, but I am not on AudioTalk (nor did a Google search yield me any info). Would someone be so kind as to forward me the subscription details? Thanks, -Sandy -- Sandy Cash Durham, NC "The time for change is here and here we are, we're just for you!" - Funkadelic ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Walker" To: Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] AT LONG LAST...THE ANSWER! > Ron - you are right to move this over to AudioTalk. I will catch up with > our excellent and enjoyable debate once I have worked out how to sign > on. And apologies to those of you who aren't interested. > > John > > Ron wrote: > > >Ed, > > > >I commented to your excellent post on AudioTalk. > > > >-- Ron > > > > > >Ed Noyes wrote: > > > > > >>At the risk of igniting flames over the subject I've been known to tell > >>a high end audio dealer friend of mine that the reason I like listening > >>to analog more than digital is because of the fact that it is in some > >>ways an "inferior" format. Interchannel phase differences, somewhat > >>higher levels of distortion, slight amounts of pre and post echo and all > >>the other stuff that vinyl is all about is also the very stuff that > >>lends to the warm, open, and inviting sound of the format. > >>Interestingly, it seems that the main caveat from the audiophile press > >>over the ultra expensive tables that really begin to break through some > >>of the technical limitations of the format is that they come off > >>sounding closer to digital than analog... they begin to get a little > >>cold and sterile. Having grown up on LP's and tubes I beleive that a > >>number of people of a similar age want at a subconscious level to hear a > >>certain amount of harmonically related distortions... that this is where > >>the electronic reproduction can take on some of the organic qualities of > >>real instuments in a real performance. Of course my friend always > >>cringes when I go into this sort of talk and I also will add that 44.1k > >>digital has it's own real issues in terms of high frequency resolution > >>that can't be overlooked. I must confess that it is difficult for me at > >>times to come to terms with the fact that the more I've moved my own > >>system toward a more analytical and detail oriented presentation the > >>more I feel the need to go back something of a more musical > >>presentation... after all, what good is the ability to count the > >>individual violins in an orchestra if you're not really becoming > >>involved in the musical performance. > >> > >>Ed > >> > >>John wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>Maybe so, but who are u building the system for? To impress critics or > >>>friends? Guy next door comes to your house to listen to your rig. He says it > >>>sounds like crap. Just someone else's opinion. > >>> > >>>This debate is one of those that never ends. Almost like debating religion. > >>> > >>>Cal John. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>the trouble is, people equate "what sounds good" to "more accurate", "less > >>>distortion", etc. > >>> > >>>Herb.... > >>> > >>>========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>>To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>>========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ ========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ ========= > >> > >> > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From bfvasil at attbi.com Sat Feb 15 17:10:20 2003 From: bfvasil at attbi.com (Bruno Vasil) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 11:10:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Audiotalk In-Reply-To: <000501c2d50b$a2004b40$0300a8c0@sandpiper> Message-ID: Would someone kindly post that information on Naktalk also.. I tried to subscribe the first day and was rebuffed like most others I thought. Bruno ******** On Saturday, February 15, 2003, at 11:02 AM, Sandy Cash wrote: > I would be very curious to see how this discussion plays out, but I am > not > on AudioTalk (nor did a Google search yield me any info). Would > someone be > so kind as to forward me the subscription details? > > Thanks, > > -Sandy > > -- > Sandy Cash > Durham, NC From jmtooley at ce.net Sat Feb 15 17:32:21 2003 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 11:32:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Magazine (Cassette Tape Comparsion) References: Message-ID: <00c201c2d50f$d090ee20$3b106343@johnnyrotten> Bleus Hi-Fi Choice, UK, often puts out cassette issues. I remember the author, Martin Colloms, stating more than once that the Maxell XLII-90 was a better all round tape than the XLII-90S. Can't wait to hear the Alan Parsons cassette especially as Stephen says my Nak. 700 ZXL is about to head my way! I've got 16 XLII-90's collected over time with different wrappers. John T. ----- Original Message ----- From: "The BlueSwapper" To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 10:17 PM Subject: [naktalk] Audio Magazine (Cassette Tape Comparsion) > Howdy Herb - I'm remembering that there was a "Special Cassette Tape" issue from 1984, which covered all the classic brand names. Also, please look over the covers of the remaining issues from 1985 thru 1990. If you can identify any other "Special Cassette Tape" issues, kindly inform me. If possible, provide a synopsis of those articles, whether they will be of any use making comparisons of performance in relation to use in our Nak decks. Greatly appreciated! > > Oh, and I do owe you an email reply about ArcView data use. My apologies for shelving that one last month, I intended to confer with my spatial database specialists before responding to you . > > Bleus > > --- > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > > ---Forwarded Message--- > > 1. Cassette Comparison (Audio Magazine) (Herb Chong) > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > which issues? i have all issues from about 1983 to when they folded. > > > Herb.... > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! > Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Feb 15 17:43:50 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 16:43:50 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Audiotalk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001101c2d511$6ac8cca0$1266893e@oemcomputer> I had the same proble, However, I went back last night and it all seemed to have worked okay. Graham > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Bruno Vasil > Sent: 15 February 2003 16:10 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Audiotalk > > > Would someone kindly post that information on Naktalk also.. > I tried to subscribe the first day and was rebuffed like most others I > thought. > > Bruno > > ******** > On Saturday, February 15, 2003, at 11:02 AM, Sandy Cash wrote: > > > I would be very curious to see how this discussion plays out, but I am > > not > > on AudioTalk (nor did a Google search yield me any info). Would > > someone be > > so kind as to forward me the subscription details? > > > > Thanks, > > > > -Sandy > > > > -- > > Sandy Cash > > Durham, NC > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.455 / Virus Database: 255 - Release Date: 13/02/03 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.455 / Virus Database: 255 - Release Date: 13/02/03 From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Feb 15 17:46:22 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 16:46:22 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Alan Parsons cassette In-Reply-To: <00c201c2d50f$d090ee20$3b106343@johnnyrotten> Message-ID: <001201c2d511$c5452ac0$1266893e@oemcomputer> European leg is on its way - rec'd the cassette from Bleus yesterday evening and it's already on its way to Ezio .... Gra' > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.455 / Virus Database: 255 - Release Date: 13/02/03 From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Feb 15 18:03:28 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 12:03:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] AT LONG LAST...THE ANSWER! References: <000001c2d46d$f54bbb20$5900a8c0@SUPPORT.RENTANAPT.COM> <3E4DB980.3080707@snet.net> <3E4E4806.970FBBC@rcn.com> <3E4E5D4D.8010305@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <000501c2d50b$a2004b40$0300a8c0@sandpiper> Message-ID: <3E4E72E0.30FDBBF4@rcn.com> Sandy Cash wrote: > > I would be very curious to see how this discussion plays out, but I am not > on AudioTalk (nor did a Google search yield me any info). Would someone be > so kind as to forward me the subscription details? > > Thanks, > > -Sandy http://www.naks.com/home.html From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Feb 15 19:00:28 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 01:00:28 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] audiotalk References: <000001c2d46d$f54bbb20$5900a8c0@SUPPORT.RENTANAPT.COM> <3E4DB980.3080707@snet.net> <3E4E4806.970FBBC@rcn.com> <3E4E5D4D.8010305@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <000501c2d50b$a2004b40$0300a8c0@sandpiper> <3E4E72E0.30FDBBF4@rcn.com> Message-ID: <001801c2d51c$1ff8e100$a81a9bca@smarzuki> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/audiotalk ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 12:03 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] AT LONG LAST...THE ANSWER! Sandy Cash wrote: > > I would be very curious to see how this discussion plays out, but I am not > on AudioTalk (nor did a Google search yield me any info). Would someone be > so kind as to forward me the subscription details? > > Thanks, > > -Sandy http://www.naks.com/home.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From lcashjr at nc.rr.com Sat Feb 15 19:03:13 2003 From: lcashjr at nc.rr.com (Sandy Cash) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 13:03:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] AT LONG LAST...THE ANSWER! References: <000001c2d46d$f54bbb20$5900a8c0@SUPPORT.RENTANAPT.COM> <3E4DB980.3080707@snet.net> <3E4E4806.970FBBC@rcn.com> <3E4E5D4D.8010305@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <000501c2d50b$a2004b40$0300a8c0@sandpiper> <3E4E72E0.30FDBBF4@rcn.com> Message-ID: <000a01c2d51c$81f62cf0$0300a8c0@sandpiper> Okay, I see it there, and I feel like an idiot. Thanks! -Sandy -- Sandy Cash Durham, NC "The time for change is here and here we are, we're just for you!" - Funkadelic ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 12:03 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] AT LONG LAST...THE ANSWER! > > Sandy Cash wrote: > > > > I would be very curious to see how this discussion plays out, but I am not > > on AudioTalk (nor did a Google search yield me any info). Would someone be > > so kind as to forward me the subscription details? > > > > Thanks, > > > > -Sandy > > http://www.naks.com/home.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Sat Feb 15 22:40:17 2003 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 22:40:17 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Alan Parsons cassette In-Reply-To: <001201c2d511$c5452ac0$1266893e@oemcomputer> References: <00c201c2d50f$d090ee20$3b106343@johnnyrotten> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030215223815.00a871c0@box.tin.it> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enoyes at snet.net Sun Feb 16 05:53:27 2003 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 23:53:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] AT LONG LAST...THE ANSWER! References: <000001c2d46d$f54bbb20$5900a8c0@SUPPORT.RENTANAPT.COM> <3E4DB980.3080707@snet.net> <3E4E4806.970FBBC@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3E4F1947.7040702@snet.net> Unfortunately I've been dragging my heels about signing up on AudioTalk, but thanks for the support. Ed Ron wrote: >Ed, > >I commented to your excellent post on AudioTalk. > >-- Ron > > >Ed Noyes wrote: > > >>At the risk of igniting flames over the subject I've been known to tell >>a high end audio dealer friend of mine that the reason I like listening >>to analog more than digital is because of the fact that it is in some >>ways an "inferior" format. Interchannel phase differences, somewhat >>higher levels of distortion, slight amounts of pre and post echo and all >>the other stuff that vinyl is all about is also the very stuff that >>lends to the warm, open, and inviting sound of the format. >>Interestingly, it seems that the main caveat from the audiophile press >>over the ultra expensive tables that really begin to break through some >>of the technical limitations of the format is that they come off >>sounding closer to digital than analog... they begin to get a little >>cold and sterile. Having grown up on LP's and tubes I beleive that a >>number of people of a similar age want at a subconscious level to hear a >>certain amount of harmonically related distortions... that this is where >>the electronic reproduction can take on some of the organic qualities of >>real instuments in a real performance. Of course my friend always >>cringes when I go into this sort of talk and I also will add that 44.1k >>digital has it's own real issues in terms of high frequency resolution >>that can't be overlooked. I must confess that it is difficult for me at >>times to come to terms with the fact that the more I've moved my own >>system toward a more analytical and detail oriented presentation the >>more I feel the need to go back something of a more musical >>presentation... after all, what good is the ability to count the >>individual violins in an orchestra if you're not really becoming >>involved in the musical performance. >> >>Ed >> >>John wrote: >> >> >> >>>Maybe so, but who are u building the system for? To impress critics or >>>friends? Guy next door comes to your house to listen to your rig. He says it >>>sounds like crap. Just someone else's opinion. >>> >>>This debate is one of those that never ends. Almost like debating religion. >>> >>>Cal John. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>the trouble is, people equate "what sounds good" to "more accurate", "less >>>distortion", etc. >>> >>>Herb.... >>> >>>========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From blueswapper at angelfire.com Sun Feb 16 15:51:24 2003 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 06:51:24 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalk Digest, Vol 1 #63 (Cassette Comparison) Message-ID: Dear Nakkers, My comments to selected topic threads are below. K.J. Bleus Madison, Wisc USA Lat 43o04'N, Long 89o24'W --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper ** Re: Audio Magazine (Cassette Tape Comparsion) (John M. Tooley) ** John - Thanks for the scoop, I'd like to get the UK publication view on various audio cassette specifications. Graham, John W, George, others in the UK, might you have past issues of HiFi Choice articles on cassettes that might be scanned into .jpeg images for sharing. I've got an idea that we evaluate and then accumulate selected portions of this info on cassettes (like summary charts or graphics), and create a few informational webpages for easy reference that us NakFanatics can access. I have room for something like this project on my Nak CyberSpot website. Wouter also suggested to me recently that his expanded capacity on naks.com could handle selected NakTalk member initiated projects, I believe he will support a cassette tape informational archive. Kent M did some excellent preliminary sleuthing about the Audio Magazine articles on cassettes, and Herb C has all of those issues. Perhaps we can collaborate, evaluate and select the most useful articles for inclusion into an audio cassette tape info archive. What do you guys thinkl about these ideas? Side note, I found two of the Audio articles yestrerday at the local library (I'm fortunate that the Madison, Wisc public library has a near complete (albeit, kind of beat-up) set of past issues of Audio Magazine. The two issues I borrowed are Sept '83 (77 cassettes tested) and Nov '87 (35 cassettes tested). Both articles authored by Howard Robeson, who used Nak 582 and CR-7 decks for these evaluations. The Sept '83 article ranks high-bias Maxell cassettes slightly above TDK and Nak (TDK derived) high bias cassettes in overall performance. As John T suggests, Robeson places Maxell UDXLII (remember this is during 1983) at the top of the heap for high biased cassettes! For the 1987 evaluation results, things come out slightly different. Sony UX series dominates, with the Denon HD series ranking above Maxell and TDK. Curious results, and actually, these are all quite good specifications, just minor variations separating the pecking order rank. Type IV (metal) cassettes are a story onto themselves, with TDK's MA-XG ranking slightly over Maxell's MX cassette. More on that another time. Best regards, Bleus ---Orig Message--- Hi-Fi Choice, UK, often puts out cassette issues. I remember the author, Martin Colloms, stating more than once that the Maxell XLII-90 was a better all round tape than the XLII-90S. Can't wait to hear the Alan Parsons cassette especially as Stephen says my Nak. 700 ZXL is about to head my way! I've got 16 XLII-90's collected over time with different wrappers. John T. ---Orig Message--- ** Alan Parsons cassette (Graham Nelson) ** Hey Graham, the prio mail envelope was sent to you last Monday, so how's that for pony expresso service??? ~ Bleus ** Alan Parsons cassette (Ezio) ** Ezio - This cassette is coming to you from Graham, and all you should do is duplicate the cassette's contents onto another cassette (one of yours) for personal use. Then mail the original cassette to the next person on the list, I believe that is going to Marc in South Afrika. Questions, just contact me! Regards, Bleus ---Orig Message--- Hi guys ! ... thanks for the honor .... which software do you expect I put on my slice of tape/time ? Is Alan Parson anyway evocative of the content ? Alan is the primary player throughout the audio guide recording. ~ Bleus Sorry for the dumb question ... but better asking than making a fault ... Ezio ---Orig Message--- ** Re: AudioTalk (Salim Marzuki) ** Regarding AudioTalk and subscribing, I believe that Wouter is returning from a two week holiday very soon. Anyone who is experiencing troubles subscribing can contact Wouter for assistance. Regards, Bleus ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ All for now.... K.J. Bleus Madison, Wisc USA Lat 43o04'N, Long 89o24'W --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper ____________________________________________________________ Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Feb 16 16:15:43 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 10:15:43 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] AT LONG LAST...THE ANSWER! References: <000001c2d46d$f54bbb20$5900a8c0@SUPPORT.RENTANAPT.COM> <3E4DB980.3080707@snet.net> <3E4E4806.970FBBC@rcn.com> <3E4F1947.7040702@snet.net> Message-ID: <3E4FAB1F.438592AD@rcn.com> Wouter has expressed a wish to keep NakTalk on topic. He set up AudioTalk to support any other audio related threads. I feel that we should comply -- as a courtesy, if nothing else. -- Ron > Ed Noyes wrote: > > Unfortunately I've been dragging my heels about signing up on > AudioTalk, but thanks for the support. > > Ed > > Ron wrote: > > > Ed, > > > > I commented to your excellent post on AudioTalk. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > Ed Noyes wrote: > > > > > >> At the risk of igniting flames over the subject I've been > >> known to tell > >> a high end audio dealer friend of mine that the reason I like > >> listening > >> to analog more than digital is because of the fact that it is > >> in some > >> ways an "inferior" format. Interchannel phase differences, > >> somewhat > >> higher levels of distortion, slight amounts of pre and post > >> echo and all > >> the other stuff that vinyl is all about is also the very stuff > >> that > >> lends to the warm, open, and inviting sound of the format. > >> Interestingly, it seems that the main caveat from the > >> audiophile press > >> over the ultra expensive tables that really begin to break > >> through some > >> of the technical limitations of the format is that they come > >> off > >> sounding closer to digital than analog... they begin to get a > >> little > >> cold and sterile. Having grown up on LP's and tubes I beleive > >> that a > >> number of people of a similar age want at a subconscious level > >> to hear a > >> certain amount of harmonically related distortions... that > >> this is where > >> the electronic reproduction can take on some of the organic > >> qualities of > >> real instuments in a real performance. Of course my friend > >> always > >> cringes when I go into this sort of talk and I also will add > >> that 44.1k > >> digital has it's own real issues in terms of high frequency > >> resolution > >> that can't be overlooked. I must confess that it is difficult > >> for me at > >> times to come to terms with the fact that the more I've moved > >> my own > >> system toward a more analytical and detail oriented > >> presentation the > >> more I feel the need to go back something of a more musical > >> presentation... after all, what good is the ability to count > >> the > >> individual violins in an orchestra if you're not really > >> becoming > >> involved in the musical performance. > >> > >> Ed > >> > >> John wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> > Maybe so, but who are u building the system for? To impress > >> > critics or > >> > friends? Guy next door comes to your house to listen to your > >> > rig. He says it > >> > sounds like crap. Just someone else's opinion. > >> > > >> > This debate is one of those that never ends. Almost like > >> > debating religion. > >> > > >> > Cal John. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > the trouble is, people equate "what sounds good" to "more > >> > accurate", "less > >> > distortion", etc. > >> > > >> > Herb.... > >> > > >> > > >> > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> > To maintain your account please go here: > >> > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > > >> > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> To maintain your account please go here: > >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > >> ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > >> > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > From blueswapper at angelfire.com Sun Feb 16 16:51:19 2003 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 07:51:19 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nak LA-100 (Line Amplifier) Message-ID: Re: Nak LA-100 (Line Amplifier). Offered by Nakamichi during the late 1970s, into the early 1980s, as one of the black box peripheral component series. My query is: Does anyone have an LA-100, and do you have any best practices use impressions to share. I'm about to purchase an LA-100, to use between my sourcing Philips CD/CDR Marantz cassette decks and my primary recording Nak ZX-7 cassette deck. From what I read about the LA-100, this can be a very beneficial peripheral component when recording from varying signal sources. I'm willing to invest a modest amount of $$'s to add this functionality to my Nak cassette decks. Can you visualise what a ZX-7 will look like with two black boxes stacked side-by-side ontop? that is, MX-100 & LA-100??. Potential prob comes to mind though, how do you have multiple black box peripherals functioning simultaneously (power and connection), when there is only one set of special black box sockets on the backside of a ZX-7? Oh,oh, complications & nimble fingers ! Thanks for your input on the performance, advantages and/or shortcomings of using the LA-100 as a signal gain controller. Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper ____________________________________________________________ Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Feb 16 16:53:40 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 15:53:40 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalk Digest, Vol 1 #63 (Cassette Comparison) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002201c2d5d3$9335fd80$bada883e@oemcomputer> Heck! I've certainly got one or two cassette reviews somewhere amongst my collection of magazines, most of which are being stored in the roof space of my house. I'll try to find them. Presently, I am recording onto an EMTEC (BASF) CEII Chrome Extra tape. very nice and ABSOLUTELY NO problems with setting azimuth on the ZX9 - set it for one side and its spot on for the other side, to .... unlike TDK SA and MA ... Luckily for me, a local store is selling them in packs of 5 for £2 a pack. Changing the subject slightly, for those of you with ZX9 or 7, I got a bit concerned about the clear space of air between the outside through the "window" of the door on my ZX9. I filled it with a piece of clear plastic, cut from an old CD jewel case, using a touch of Blutak to hold it in place - i.e. no glue used. Gra' > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.455 / Virus Database: 255 - Release Date: 13/02/03 From croquetgod at yahoo.com Sun Feb 16 17:26:36 2003 From: croquetgod at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jens-M.=20Arndt?=) Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 17:26:36 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] LX 5 ? Message-ID: <20030216162636.76945.qmail@web13501.mail.yahoo.com> in view of the fact that my RX505E most likely will never arrive I might have to look for an alternative. Would a LX5 claimed to be in good condition a good choice for abt 180 usd ? jens ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei http://premiummail.yahoo.de From John at jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk Sun Feb 16 17:52:04 2003 From: John at jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 16:52:04 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalk Digest, Vol 1 #63 (Cassette Comparison) References: <002201c2d5d3$9335fd80$bada883e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3E4FC1B4.2070009@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Hi-Fi World did a couple of very favourable reviews, especially of the CR-7E. I still have them, and will get them scanned. John Walker Graham Nelson wrote: >Heck! I've certainly got one or two cassette reviews somewhere amongst my >collection of magazines, most of which are being stored in the roof space of >my house. I'll try to find them. > >Presently, I am recording onto an EMTEC (BASF) CEII Chrome Extra tape. very >nice and ABSOLUTELY NO problems with setting azimuth on the ZX9 - set it for >one side and its spot on for the other side, to .... unlike TDK SA and MA >... Luckily for me, a local store is selling them in packs of 5 for £2 a >pack. > >Changing the subject slightly, for those of you with ZX9 or 7, I got a bit >concerned about the clear space of air between the outside through the >"window" of the door on my ZX9. I filled it with a piece of clear plastic, >cut from an old CD jewel case, using a touch of Blutak to hold it in place - >i.e. no glue used. > >Gra' > > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.455 / Virus Database: 255 - Release Date: 13/02/03 > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > From John at jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk Sun Feb 16 19:18:49 2003 From: John at jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 18:18:49 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi and tape reviews in Hi-Fi World Message-ID: <3E4FD609.2020808@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Further to my last post, I have found the following reviews in Hi-Fi World: Aug 91 Tape test - Maxell SX-II vs TDK SF (? never heard of that one!) Jan 92 Nakamichi Cassette Deck 1.5 Aug 92 Nakamichi CR-7E (consistently better than a DAT recorder in the test!) Nov 92 Tape test - TDK SF, SA, SA-X, MA Mar 93 Nakamichi DR-2 and DR-3 May 93 Tape test - Maxell UR, SX I, SX II, ,MX Jun 93 Nakamichi DR-1 Feb 94 Nakamichi DR-2 vs Sony TC-K611S vs Yamaha KX-650 (the Nak won, but it was close!) Aug 94 Tape test - metal tapes, including Sony Metal Master and TDK MA-XG Dec 99 Nakamichi Soundspace 8 ("SoundSpace probably isn't hi-fi as we know it..." I guess that list charts the last days of cassette, and of Nakamichi to some extent too. (Looking through the magazines also shows how Hi-Fi World declined from its early years. Their kits are still pretty good, although I heard one once described as "best suited as a boat anchor".) I will get the magazines into the office later in the week for scanning. I have to use a colleague's scanner for this, so let me know if any of these articles are of particular interest, and I shall give them priority. I would also appreciate guidance on how best to upload the files - I believe that we have some OCR software at work, so I shall try to create .PDF files if I can. John Walker, feeling less guilty now that I am back on topic . From John at jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk Sun Feb 16 19:22:02 2003 From: John at jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 18:22:02 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalk Digest, Vol 1 #63 (Cassette Comparison) References: <002201c2d5d3$9335fd80$bada883e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3E4FD6CA.2050401@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Graham using Blu-Tak is most unlike you. Is the hammer in the shop being repaired or something? Or you could consider using your pre-amplifier to spot-weld the window in place. John Walker MSc (Master of Sarcasm) Graham Nelson wrote: >Heck! I've certainly got one or two cassette reviews somewhere amongst my >collection of magazines, most of which are being stored in the roof space of >my house. I'll try to find them. > >Presently, I am recording onto an EMTEC (BASF) CEII Chrome Extra tape. very >nice and ABSOLUTELY NO problems with setting azimuth on the ZX9 - set it for >one side and its spot on for the other side, to .... unlike TDK SA and MA >... Luckily for me, a local store is selling them in packs of 5 for £2 a >pack. > >Changing the subject slightly, for those of you with ZX9 or 7, I got a bit >concerned about the clear space of air between the outside through the >"window" of the door on my ZX9. I filled it with a piece of clear plastic, >cut from an old CD jewel case, using a touch of Blutak to hold it in place - >i.e. no glue used. > >Gra' > > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.455 / Virus Database: 255 - Release Date: 13/02/03 > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > From wdrewes at iafrica.com Sun Feb 16 19:37:28 2003 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wdrewes) Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 20:37:28 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CRseries door dimensions Message-ID: <002901c2d5ea$76dc2e40$28201ec4@private> I am sorry if my request is out of line ! Could I ask that any one of you good naktalkers who is a proud owner of aCR 7 (whether A ,E or plain it does not matter.) to give me the dimensions of the cassette door in millimetres ;Height,Width and the distance from the top of the door to the top portion of the 'window'. I need CR7 doors but I want to find out what the variance (if any) in size between CR 7 and CR 1 to CR 4 is,as these might have to do.The latter are usually available fairly cheaply in broken down form on eBay. thanks Walter Drewes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Feb 16 20:35:57 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 14:35:57 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalk Digest, Vol 1 #63 (Cassette Comparison) References: <002201c2d5d3$9335fd80$bada883e@oemcomputer> <3E4FC1B4.2070009@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <3E4FE81D.6C430000@rcn.com> John, it will be great if you can upload them onto the NakTalk or NakChatt sites. -- Ron John Walker wrote: > > Hi-Fi World did a couple of very favourable reviews, especially of the > CR-7E. I still have them, and will get them scanned. > John Walker > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > >Heck! I've certainly got one or two cassette reviews somewhere amongst my > >collection of magazines, most of which are being stored in the roof space of > >my house. I'll try to find them. > > > >Presently, I am recording onto an EMTEC (BASF) CEII Chrome Extra tape. very > >nice and ABSOLUTELY NO problems with setting azimuth on the ZX9 - set it for > >one side and its spot on for the other side, to .... unlike TDK SA and MA > >... Luckily for me, a local store is selling them in packs of 5 for £2 a > >pack. > > > >Changing the subject slightly, for those of you with ZX9 or 7, I got a bit > >concerned about the clear space of air between the outside through the > >"window" of the door on my ZX9. I filled it with a piece of clear plastic, > >cut from an old CD jewel case, using a touch of Blutak to hold it in place - > >i.e. no glue used. > > > >Gra' > > > > > > > >--- > >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >Version: 6.0.455 / Virus Database: 255 - Release Date: 13/02/03 > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Feb 16 20:43:15 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 14:43:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CRseries door dimensions References: <002901c2d5ea$76dc2e40$28201ec4@private> Message-ID: <3E4FE9D3.4F9D0D42@rcn.com> Outer dimensions: 142.5mm W x 89 mm H. Top of door to top of window: 16 mm. All dimensions eye balled with a steel rule. -- Ron > wdrewes wrote: > > I am sorry if my request is out of line ! Could I ask that any one > of you good naktalkers who is a proud owner of aCR 7 (whether A ,E > or plain it does not matter.) to give me the dimensions of the > cassette door in millimetres ;Height,Width and the distance from > the top of the door to the top portion of the 'window'. I need > CR7 doors but I want to find out what the variance (if any) in > size between CR 7 and CR 1 to CR 4 is,as these might have to > do.The latter are usually available fairly cheaply in broken down > form on eBay. > thanks > Walter Drewes From wdrewes at iafrica.com Sun Feb 16 21:26:27 2003 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wdrewes) Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 22:26:27 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CRseries door dimensions Message-ID: <000801c2d5f9$aff16100$d2221ec4@private> Thanks Ron! -----Original Message----- From: Ron To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Sunday, February 16, 2003 9:47 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CRseries door dimensions > >Outer dimensions: 142.5mm W x 89 mm H. Top of door to top >of window: 16 mm. All dimensions eye balled with a steel >rule. > >-- Ron > > >> wdrewes wrote: >> >> I am sorry if my request is out of line ! Could I ask that any one >> of you good naktalkers who is a proud owner of aCR 7 (whether A ,E >> or plain it does not matter.) to give me the dimensions of the >> cassette door in millimetres ;Height,Width and the distance from >> the top of the door to the top portion of the 'window'. I need >> CR7 doors but I want to find out what the variance (if any) in >> size between CR 7 and CR 1 to CR 4 is,as these might have to >> do.The latter are usually available fairly cheaply in broken down >> form on eBay. >> thanks >> Walter Drewes > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== From stan.targowski at attbi.com Sun Feb 16 23:24:58 2003 From: stan.targowski at attbi.com (Stan Targowski) Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 16:24:58 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] LX 5 ? In-Reply-To: <20030216162636.76945.qmail@web13501.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Reading thru the list of models for sale on German e-Bay, I would strongly recommend a CR-4 instead. There seems to be quite of few of them offered, and this deck has all of the essential NAK features (with the exception of azimuth control), as 3 discrete heads, direct-drive, and bias/level calibration system with test tones. From what I understand, an LX-5 may also turn out more costly to maintain and parts may be harder to get (and has neither the calibration system, nor direct-drive.) I do have a CR-4 myself, and find the calibration system extremely useful, especially now, when the quality of cassettes and their availability is going down. With the unit, I can get excellent results even with Maxell UR or TDK D cassettes - which are tough to get properly set on my CR-2 which only has bias control. Stan -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jens-M. Arndt Sent: Sun, February 16, 2003 10:27 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] LX 5 ? in view of the fact that my RX505E most likely will never arrive I might have to look for an alternative. Would a LX5 claimed to be in good condition a good choice for abt 180 usd ? jens ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! 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In Search of the Perfect Magnetic Head The "Discrete" Difference in Head Technology Dolby C and Nakamichi - The Perfect Combination I've done a transfer of these to digital .jpeg images (resized for screen viewing at approx 300 to 500 kbytes per image), and can send those to whom ever wishes a browse. Just email me directly with your complete email address, and I will send you a two message distribution during the week. Regards, K.J. Bleus Madison, Wisc USA --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper ____________________________________________________________ Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus From khmerideth at anderson.edu Mon Feb 17 05:38:02 2003 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 23:38:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Magazine (Cassette Tape Comparsion) Message-ID: Bleus & Herb, All I could view on my home PC (3.5 minutes down-load, 3 minutes to display, now over 3 minutes to get reply screen) was a solid green display--no graphics. Hopefully, it will come out better at work. Will let you know. This could be very interesting. Have 2 MR-1s in operation and another needing some attention of Stephan. Records ok, but playback is quite noisy. Bothers me not to know the quality of the tape until after completing the recording. Being able to monitor off the tape is the main reason of having the 3-head decks in the first place. Yesterday we had to shovel the drive twice so we could get out. The streets in the subdivision have not been plowed, whereas the main streets are plowed but drift over sporadically. The five-block drive out of the neighborhood would have been a disaster, if we would have stopped for the stop signs this morning, on the way to church. After we got home again, someone got stuck in front of our house. Before I got dressed to go out to help, someone in 4WD came along and pulled them out. Blues, I was born and raised in Benton Harbor, MI. What snow didn't get dumped on Chicago, would gather more moisture from Lake Michigan and dump more on us than Chicago. Hoped to get less severe winters down here, in central Indiana, away from the "lake effect". We probably do have milder winters down here, but I get less resilient to the "mess" every year. There must be a way, in Novell GroupWise, to reply to this e-mail without including the attachment, but I'm clueless. Unfortunately, it will be attached; to eat up memory in your e-mail accounts. Hope each of you had a good weekend. Best regards, Kent >>> "The BlueSwapper" 02/16/03 03:55PM >>> Herb & Kent - Attached is a preview performance listing of cassettes tested Nakamichi's MR-1 deck. Dated 1985, I'm wondering what you guys make of the raw data, and conclusions on which cassettes perform best with the MR-1. I can send to others on NakTalk, later after we discuss. Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper On Fri, 14 Feb 2003 08:14:03 Kent Merideth wrote: >Herb, > >Just for the record, here is a list of all the tape reports from Audio >magazine, that I am aware of: > >September, 1978, pgs. 42-53 & 100; 58 tapes reviewed >December, 1978, pgs. 71-72; 3 tapes addendum >September, 1979, pgs. 50-57; 4 metal tapes >September, 1980, pgs. 44-55; 37 tapes >September, 1983, pgs. 34-44; 77 tapes >September, 1984, pgs. 47-49; 12 tapes >November, 1984, pg. 15; erratum >December, 1984, pg. 5; erratum >June, 1986, pgs. 75-84; 49 tapes >November, 1987, pgs. 51-61; 35 tapes >March, 1990, pgs. 45-62; 88 tapes >June, 1993, pgs. 38-54; 51 tapes > >Hope this helps. > >A note of contention on the title of the last review; it is actually >the 4th largest tape test by Audio, not the 2nd largest. I do not have >a scanner and the Instructional Materials Center (IMC) at Anderson >University gets pretty heavy use, with the students and faculty getting >priority over staff, especially when it is for personal, not >institutional, use. Not to mention the three times I have tried to use >the scanner, my results were fair to marginal. My notes seemed to make >sense at the time of instruction, but when I made my second and third >attempts at usage, they were progressively worse in results. When it >came to getting rid of artifacts, it was very discouraging for me, as >the good parts seemed to get worse; even to the point of the whole page >not being very viewable. The shaded areas were better, but the unshaded >areas were getting very faint. Because of my frustrations, I was >getting faint also! > >Kent > > > > >>>> HerbChong at compuserve.com 02/13/03 11:00PM >>> >i'll get to it but they did a tape issue every year, so there should be >one >each year. let me look at the exact dates, but i seem to remember one >of >the summer issues. it turns out i am basically complete from about >1980 >onwards. > >Herb.... >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ____________________________________________________________ Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Feb 17 06:46:52 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 07:46:52 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] LX 5 ? Message-ID: Hi Jens, I would definitely pay that for a nice LX-5. If you have a chance to "meet the deck" carry out a function test, then that would be the best of course. Cheers, Marc >>> croquetgod at yahoo.com 02/16/03 06:26PM >>> in view of the fact that my RX505E most likely will never arrive I might have to look for an alternative. Would a LX5 claimed to be in good condition a good choice for abt 180 usd ? jens ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! 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All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Feb 17 07:02:38 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 08:02:38 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Spoken Here.... Message-ID: Goodness, those articles sound really interesting!! Please Mr Blues, would you e-mail those to me when you have a chance this week. Much obliged. Regards, Marc >>> blueswapper at angelfire.com 02/17/03 01:52AM >>> Windfall from a binder full of Nakamichi professional recording literature and marketing materials that the Bleuster purchased recently. Four pages of "Nakamichi Spoken Here" informational sheets, on these topics: Dual Capstans - The Answer or the Problem? In Search of the Perfect Magnetic Head The "Discrete" Difference in Head Technology Dolby C and Nakamichi - The Perfect Combination I've done a transfer of these to digital .jpeg images (resized for screen viewing at approx 300 to 500 kbytes per image), and can send those to whom ever wishes a browse. Just email me directly with your complete email address, and I will send you a two message distribution during the week. Regards, K.J. Bleus Madison, Wisc USA --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper ____________________________________________________________ Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Mon Feb 17 12:51:25 2003 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 11:51:25 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi and tape reviews in Hi-Fi World Message-ID: Hi John, Thanks for the offer, I'm sure all of us on Naktalk appreciate it. As for me, I am particularly interested in: >Jan 92 Nakamichi Cassette Deck 1.5 Aug 92 Nakamichi CR-7E >(consistently better than a DAT recorder in the test!) >May 93 Tape test - Maxell UR, SX I, SX II, ,MX >Aug 94 Tape test - metal tapes, including Sony Metal Master and TDK >MA-XG Cheers! Kelvin _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://messenger.msn.co.uk From croquetgod at yahoo.com Mon Feb 17 12:52:12 2003 From: croquetgod at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jens-M.=20Arndt?=) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 12:52:12 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] LX 5 ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030217115212.79353.qmail@web13504.mail.yahoo.com> stan, thanks for your recommendation. jens --- Stan Targowski schrieb: > Reading thru the list of models for sale on German > e-Bay, I would strongly > recommend a CR-4 instead. There seems to be quite of > few of them offered, > and this deck has all of the essential NAK features > (with the exception of > azimuth control), as 3 discrete heads, direct-drive, > and bias/level > calibration system with test tones. From what I > understand, an LX-5 may also > turn out more costly to maintain and parts may be > harder to get (and has > neither the calibration system, nor direct-drive.) > > I do have a CR-4 myself, and find the calibration > system extremely useful, > especially now, when the quality of cassettes and > their availability is > going down. With the unit, I can get excellent > results even with Maxell UR > or TDK D cassettes - which are tough to get properly > set on my CR-2 which > only has bias control. > > Stan > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Jens-M. Arndt > Sent: Sun, February 16, 2003 10:27 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] LX 5 ? > > > in view of the fact that my RX505E most likely will > never arrive I might have to look for an > alternative. > > Would a LX5 claimed to be in good condition a good > choice for abt 180 usd ? > > > jens > > ===== > 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf > Beatles oder Stones, man > steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia > Loren. Beides hat in > einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. > Pauli und HSV.' (Harry > Rowohlt) > > __________________________________________________________________ > > Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de > Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei > http://premiummail.yahoo.de > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei http://premiummail.yahoo.de From croquetgod at yahoo.com Mon Feb 17 12:54:24 2003 From: croquetgod at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jens-M.=20Arndt?=) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 12:54:24 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] LX 5 ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030217115424.48784.qmail@web13506.mail.yahoo.com> mark, thanks for your input. unfortunately the chances to "meet the deck" are rather slim. jens --- Mark Hugo schrieb: > Hi Jens, > > I would definitely pay that for a nice LX-5. If you > have a chance to "meet the deck" carry out a > function test, then that would be the best of > course. > Cheers, > > Marc > > > > >>> croquetgod at yahoo.com 02/16/03 06:26PM >>> > in view of the fact that my RX505E most likely will > never arrive I might have to look for an > alternative. > > Would a LX5 claimed to be in good condition a good > choice for abt 180 usd ? > > > jens > > ===== > 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf > Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina > Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in > einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. > Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) > > __________________________________________________________________ > > Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de > Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei > http://premiummail.yahoo.de > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > The information contained in this email is > confidential and may be subject > to legal privilege. The content of this email, which > may include one or more > attachments, is strictly confidential, and is > intended solely for the use of the > named recipient/s. > > If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot > use, copy, distribute, disclose > or retain the email or any part of its contents or > take any action in reliance on it. > If you have received this email in error, please > email the sender by replying to > this message and to permanently delete it and all > attachments from your computer. > > All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure > that no viruses are present > in this email and the company cannot accept > responsibility for any loss or damage arising > from the use of this email or attachments. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei http://premiummail.yahoo.de From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Mon Feb 17 09:18:56 2003 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 09:18:56 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Series 7 system on eBay Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030217091747.00a8bbe0@box.tin.it> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From croquetgod at yahoo.com Mon Feb 17 14:30:01 2003 From: croquetgod at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jens-M.=20Arndt?=) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 14:30:01 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] How to check a NAK? Message-ID: <20030217133001.23588.qmail@web13509.mail.yahoo.com> Sorry to bother you guys again: Is there any kind of checklist around which could guide me through checking a used NAK ? Thanks Jens ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei http://premiummail.yahoo.de From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Feb 17 14:41:41 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 08:41:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi and tape reviews in Hi-Fi World References: <3E4FD609.2020808@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <3E50E695.FA9BA125@rcn.com> John, I would be much interested in the analog-DAT comparison of the CR-7e. TIA, -- Ron John Walker wrote: > > Further to my last post, I have found the following reviews in Hi-Fi World: > > Aug 91 Tape test - Maxell SX-II vs TDK SF (? never heard of that one!) > Jan 92 Nakamichi Cassette Deck 1.5 > Aug 92 Nakamichi CR-7E (consistently better than a DAT recorder in > the test!) > Nov 92 Tape test - TDK SF, SA, SA-X, MA > Mar 93 Nakamichi DR-2 and DR-3 > May 93 Tape test - Maxell UR, SX I, SX II, ,MX > Jun 93 Nakamichi DR-1 > Feb 94 Nakamichi DR-2 vs Sony TC-K611S vs Yamaha KX-650 (the Nak > won, but it was close!) > Aug 94 Tape test - metal tapes, including Sony Metal Master and TDK > MA-XG > Dec 99 Nakamichi Soundspace 8 ("SoundSpace probably isn't hi-fi as > we know it..." > > I guess that list charts the last days of cassette, and of Nakamichi to > some extent too. (Looking through the magazines also shows how Hi-Fi > World declined from its early years. Their kits are still pretty good, > although I heard one once described as "best suited as a boat anchor".) > I will get the magazines into the office later in the week for scanning. > I have to use a colleague's scanner for this, so let me know if any of > these articles are of particular interest, and I shall give them > priority. I would also appreciate guidance on how best to upload the > files - I believe that we have some OCR software at work, so I shall try > to create .PDF files if I can. > > John Walker, feeling less guilty now that I am back on topic . > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Feb 17 15:14:57 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 16:14:57 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi and tape reviews in Hi-Fi World Message-ID: That wouldn't be the first cassette deck that I heard had 'toffee'd" a DAT deck. The Stereophile review of the Arcam Delta 100 Cassette Deck (a big British three-head Dolby S machine) was thought to be better (and quite firmly so) on first generation copies of the source material. If I recall correctly, they had two DAT decks on hand, one a portable and one a regular component unit. Marc >>> ra.ah at rcn.com 02/17/03 03:41PM >>> John, I would be much interested in the analog-DAT comparison of the CR-7e. TIA, -- Ron John Walker wrote: > > Further to my last post, I have found the following reviews in Hi-Fi World: > > Aug 91 Tape test - Maxell SX-II vs TDK SF (? never heard of that one!) > Jan 92 Nakamichi Cassette Deck 1.5 > Aug 92 Nakamichi CR-7E (consistently better than a DAT recorder in > the test!) > Nov 92 Tape test - TDK SF, SA, SA-X, MA > Mar 93 Nakamichi DR-2 and DR-3 > May 93 Tape test - Maxell UR, SX I, SX II, ,MX > Jun 93 Nakamichi DR-1 > Feb 94 Nakamichi DR-2 vs Sony TC-K611S vs Yamaha KX-650 (the Nak > won, but it was close!) > Aug 94 Tape test - metal tapes, including Sony Metal Master and TDK > MA-XG > Dec 99 Nakamichi Soundspace 8 ("SoundSpace probably isn't hi-fi as > we know it..." > > I guess that list charts the last days of cassette, and of Nakamichi to > some extent too. (Looking through the magazines also shows how Hi-Fi > World declined from its early years. Their kits are still pretty good, > although I heard one once described as "best suited as a boat anchor".) > I will get the magazines into the office later in the week for scanning. > I have to use a colleague's scanner for this, so let me know if any of > these articles are of particular interest, and I shall give them > priority. I would also appreciate guidance on how best to upload the > files - I believe that we have some OCR software at work, so I shall try > to create .PDF files if I can. > > John Walker, feeling less guilty now that I am back on topic . > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. 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From HerbChong at compuserve.com Mon Feb 17 15:36:54 2003 From: HerbChong at compuserve.com (Herb Chong) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 09:36:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Magazine (Cassette Tape Comparsion) Message-ID: <200302170937_MC3-1-2AA5-F11E@compuserve.com> Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com >Bleus & Herb, All I could view on my home PC (3.5 minutes down-load, 3 minutes to display, now over 3 minutes to get reply screen) was a solid green display--no graphics. Hopefully, it will come out better at work. Will let you know. This could be very interesting.< same here. nothing but green. all of the Audio tape tests in the early 80's were done with a tweaked 582. i don't know at what point they may have switched to a newer deck. Herb... From roleo at telus.net Mon Feb 17 16:30:38 2003 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 07:30:38 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Spoken Here.... References: Message-ID: <000901c2d699$86612910$8075059a@desktop> KJ, me too please! Roland roleo at telus.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hugo" To: Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 10:02 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Spoken Here.... > Goodness, those articles sound really interesting!! > > Please Mr Blues, would you e-mail those to me when you have a chance this week. Much obliged. > > Regards, > > Marc > > >>> blueswapper at angelfire.com 02/17/03 01:52AM >>> > Windfall from a binder full of Nakamichi professional recording literature and marketing materials that the Bleuster purchased recently. Four pages of "Nakamichi Spoken Here" informational sheets, on these topics: > > Dual Capstans - The Answer or the Problem? > > In Search of the Perfect Magnetic Head > > The "Discrete" Difference in Head Technology > > Dolby C and Nakamichi - The Perfect Combination > > I've done a transfer of these to digital .jpeg images (resized for screen viewing at approx 300 to 500 kbytes per image), and can send those to whom ever wishes a browse. Just email me directly with your complete email address, and I will send you a two message distribution during the week. > > Regards, > > K.J. Bleus > Madison, Wisc USA > > > --- > Help keep the blues alive! 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References: <20030217133001.23588.qmail@web13509.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3E510A6C.FF1EAC3E@rcn.com> I don't know about a list, but this is what I do: 1. Look at heads with a magnifying glass. If wear is visible, move on. 2. Pick up deck. Shake vigorously. Expect no loose parts inside. 3. Observe pinch rollers and belts (if possible). If dried and/or discolored, adjust price to include replacement. 4. Put in play mode with no cassette. Test pull of take-up reel by placing a finger against it until it slips. Expect smooth pull and slippage. No mechanical noise. 4. Place into FF and Rewind. Expect good pull with no slippage. Listen for any unusual noises. 5. Play known tape. Listen for unexpected hum, noise, distortion or roll off. 6. Check external cosmetic condition. Look for evidence of careless handling or abuse. 7. From what I know of the specific model, I may be able to learn something from the S/N and date of manufacture. Check or ask about required known upgrades (specifically: gear upgrade on Sankyo transports and equalization mod on CR-7s). -- Ron "Jens-M. Arndt" wrote: > > Sorry to bother you guys again: > > Is there any kind of checklist around which could > guide me through checking a used NAK ? > > Thanks > > Jens > > ===== > 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) > > __________________________________________________________________ > > Gesendet von Yahoo! 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Offered by Nakamichi during the late 1970s, into the early 1980s, as one of the black box peripheral component series. My query is: Does anyone have an LA-100, and do you have any best practices use impressions to share. I'm about to purchase an LA-100, to use between my sourcing Philips CD/CDR Marantz cassette decks and my primary recording Nak ZX-7 cassette deck. From what I read about the LA-100, this can be a very beneficial peripheral component when recording from varying signal sources. I'm willing to invest a modest amount of $$'s to add this functionality to my Nak cassette decks. Can you visualise what a ZX-7 will look like with two black boxes stacked side-by-side ontop? that is, MX-100 & LA-100??. Potential prob comes to mind though, how do you have multiple black box peripherals functioning simultaneously (power and connection), when there is only one set of special black box sockets on the backside of a ZX-7? Oh,oh, complications & nimble fingers ! Thanks for your input on the performance, advantages and/or shortcomings of using the LA-100 as a signal gain controller. Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper ____________________________________________________________ Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > From khmerideth at anderson.edu Mon Feb 17 17:45:46 2003 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 11:45:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak LA-100 (Line Amplifier) Message-ID: Dave, That was the Control Amp 610 (black or silver) from about 1976. Yes, it was a mixer for line and microphone, and believe it had multiple outputs for two, or three, power amps. Included test tones for properly setting up recorders and "pink noise" for proper speaker location. Not sure if this one had toroidal power transformer; think the CA5(50) was the first of the preamps to do this. Kent >>> dbadner at earthlink.net 02/17/03 08:28AM >>> Was the LA-100 the preamp with the slanted front and rack handles? This one was almost a mixer. Dave -------Original Message------- From: The BlueSwapper Sent: 02/16/03 10:51 AM To: naktalk at naks.com, NakChatt at yahoogroups.com Subject: [naktalk] Nak LA-100 (Line Amplifier) > > Re: Nak LA-100 (Line Amplifier). Offered by Nakamichi during the late 1970s, into the early 1980s, as one of the black box peripheral component series. My query is: Does anyone have an LA-100, and do you have any best practices use impressions to share. I'm about to purchase an LA-100, to use between my sourcing Philips CD/CDR Marantz cassette decks and my primary recording Nak ZX-7 cassette deck. From what I read about the LA-100, this can be a very beneficial peripheral component when recording from varying signal sources. I'm willing to invest a modest amount of $$'s to add this functionality to my Nak cassette decks. Can you visualise what a ZX-7 will look like with two black boxes stacked side-by-side ontop? that is, MX-100 & LA-100??. Potential prob comes to mind though, how do you have multiple black box peripherals functioning simultaneously (power and connection), when there is only one set of special black box sockets on the backside of a ZX-7? Oh,oh, complications & nimble fingers ! Thanks for your input on the performance, advantages and/or shortcomings of using the LA-100 as a signal gain controller. Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! 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URL: From roleo at telus.net Mon Feb 17 17:56:13 2003 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 08:56:13 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] How to check a NAK? References: <20030217133001.23588.qmail@web13509.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001901c2d6a5$a8bcd250$8075059a@desktop> Stephen Sank has been very generous with his knowledge over the years and I have saved some of his e-mails that covered the basics when it comes to choosing a used Nakamichi deck and what to look for. At the bottom are his contact details. Below are some pararagraphs that I found useful. --Roland =============================================================== Basics: 1) When you reach in & press down on each pinch roller, they should move easily against firm spring pressure, and they should snap right back up. Best to remove the door, close the frame, put it in play mode & then press down on each roller, as there will be much more range of movement for examination. 2) Check ability to record. The dreaded orange film capacitors fail first in the erase/bias oscillator. 3) Check for tape skewing by playing the worst condition music tape you have. Play first from near the beginning of a side & listen for the treble to either fade out or take a moment to come up, then do the same near the end of a side. Then do the same with your best condition music tape. 4) If you can find a prerecorded tape of a CD you have, or vice versa, or have a tape of a cd recorded on a good working Dragon, play both tape & CD at the same time to check for pitch accuracy & general pb sound quality. 5) Using a TDK D, SA or MA tape, or a Maxell XL-II, MX or MX-S tape, check that it is possible to do the user calibrations with the proper results, as specified in the user manual, without having to be near the extremes of any of the calibration controls. 6) Leave the deck running for several hours, or overnight, then record & play several songs, listening for any odd clicks, pops, distortions or other anomalies. 7) Of course, check that the deck has no trouble rewinding & fast forwarding through an entire C-90 or longer tape. If the deck fails any of the above tests, it should be serviced. Otherwise, you can have a fair amount of confidence that it won't be giving you any trouble, at least for a while. =============================================================== Regarding Nakamichi decks that require capstan belts: The models that use that OC08096C capstan belt are: 480 thru 482Z 580 thru 582Z 660ZX thru 682ZX, including non-ZX models LX-3, LX-5 ZX-7 700ZXE, 700ZXL 1000ZXL RX-303, RX-505(not RX-202) Dragon & ZX-9 do not use it, nor do any Sankyo-mech decks, such as CR-7, DR-1, etc. ================================================================ Gear Drive Upgrade BX300's were never produced with the gear drive. The only time they do have it is when someone has installed it. The gear drive is not an essential thing to install. You can keep the deck running quite happily with the rubber idler drive, with a few minutes of maintenance every so often. I put an instructional text I wrote on the subject on my webspace, at: http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/Idler_instruction.txt ================================================================ Nakamichi 680ZX On the 680ZX, odds are fairly good that all problems will disappear if you just replace the two dozen or so orange-colored, epoxy-dipped polyester film capacitors in the whole unit. Including two inside the meter display case. It's very, very unlikely that a head is bad, unless clearly worn out. Although it is now working, you should, nevertheless, have the deck rid of every last one of those orange film capacitors (the ones that look like "chicklets" candy, not the orange-jacketed cylindrical electrolytic caps which are also numerous), which number 50 in the 1000ZXL, and a few less in the 700ZXL & ZXE. Don't settle for having just those in the pb dolby circuits or any other limited area replaced. Have them ALL replaced in the whole deck. You will save yourself a world of aggravation. And if you get them replaced with polystyrene and polypropylene caps, the deck will also sound better. ================================================================ Regarding the Nakamichi CR-7: Below the serial # 10500, the gear upgrade is likely to be needed (if it hasn't been done), and below A130-08677, both the gear upgrade & the record eq correction modification procedures would be needed. It's easy to tell if a CR-7 has not had the record EQ correction. Remove the bottom cover of the deck. On the big circuit board on the right side of the machine, near the rear middle of the board, look for an outlined IC labeled "IC301". Right next to it, find VR202. Next to VR202 are pair of unmarked component locations, for a small resistor & capacitor. If these two locations have no component leads sticking through the solder points, but rather just have soldered-over blank holes, then the unit has NOT been corrected. In my opinion, the correction is important, as any tape recorded on the machine, TDK or not, sounds rolled off to me on the upper treble. ================================================================ Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer Talking Dog Transducer Company http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [87112] 505-332-0336 Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Feb 17 18:09:59 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 00:09:59 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] revox dolby hx = audiotalk ? References: <000001c2d46d$f54bbb20$5900a8c0@SUPPORT.RENTANAPT.COM> <3E4DB980.3080707@snet.net> <3E4E4806.970FBBC@rcn.com> <3E4F1947.7040702@snet.net> <3E4FAB1F.438592AD@rcn.com> Message-ID: <003d01c2d6a9$db02b500$931a9bca@smarzuki> Hello, sorry to bring this on naktalk - iirc nak comparison with other deck is acceptable here =) Only wanted to ask fellow Nakkers whether Revox B215 has Dolby HX headroom extension ? Which may be the reason that some choose Revox over Nak for 'generic' recording purposes. Interesting discovery: just found out that while old Nak pinch roller rubber can get as hard as rock ... the problem with B215 heavy 'wow' near the end of tape was due to rubber roller became very soft ! Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 10:15 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] AT LONG LAST...THE ANSWER! Wouter has expressed a wish to keep NakTalk on topic. He set up AudioTalk to support any other audio related threads. I feel that we should comply -- as a courtesy, if nothing else. -- Ron From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Feb 17 18:26:19 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 00:26:19 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] LX 5 ? References: Message-ID: <003e01c2d6a9$db909d20$931a9bca@smarzuki> Hi Jens, Stephen once mentioned that RX505 is like an LX5 with auto reverse / udar mechanism. They're both (taking LX5 as sample) excellent playback machines, sounds very clear even compared to some old top end naks. However, they lack 'serious' recording adjustment facility - like Stan said CR4 has a more complete yet simple to use calibration setup (compared to LX's bias tune), not to mention a more stable direct drive. The only thing I can nitpick on CR4 is that it has a slightly rolled off bottom end compared to old Naks. Can't hear much difference but it's there on rec / pb chart. Imho CR's sankyo mechanism gets you more consistent top end (more rugged spring on head block), and probably combined with the 'different' dolby amp chip makes it sound less warm. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Hugo To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX 5 ? Hi Jens, I would definitely pay that for a nice LX-5. If you have a chance to "meet the deck" carry out a function test, then that would be the best of course. Cheers, Marc >>> croquetgod at yahoo.com 02/16/03 06:26PM >>> in view of the fact that my RX505E most likely will never arrive I might have to look for an alternative. Would a LX5 claimed to be in good condition a good choice for abt 180 usd ? jens From g_valkov at hotmail.com Mon Feb 17 18:27:24 2003 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 19:27:24 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] revox dolby hx = audiotalk ? Message-ID: Salim, I have a B-215 with owner's and service manual - there is no mention of HX anywhere. I guess it doesn't need it -:). I was going to reply to your message on audiotalk - my owners manual is a photocopy, the service manual I got brand new from Revox. Unfortunately I will only have access to them in about a month, since I'm not in the same country where they at the moment. If you can wait that long I can photocopy/scan and send both to you. Please get back to me off-list to discuss details. George ----Original Message Follows---- From: Salim Marzuki Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] revox dolby hx = audiotalk ? Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 00:09:59 +0700 Hello, sorry to bring this on naktalk - iirc nak comparison with other deck is acceptable here =) Only wanted to ask fellow Nakkers whether Revox B215 has Dolby HX headroom extension ? Which may be the reason that some choose Revox over Nak for 'generic' recording purposes. Interesting discovery: just found out that while old Nak pinch roller rubber can get as hard as rock ... the problem with B215 heavy 'wow' near the end of tape was due to rubber roller became very soft ! Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 10:15 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] AT LONG LAST...THE ANSWER! Wouter has expressed a wish to keep NakTalk on topic. He set up AudioTalk to support any other audio related threads. I feel that we should comply -- as a courtesy, if nothing else. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From Tpfinn at btinternet.com Mon Feb 17 18:33:07 2003 From: Tpfinn at btinternet.com (Terence Finn) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 17:33:07 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak LA-100 (Line Amplifier) References: <6594731.1045498947030.JavaMail.nobody@beaker.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000001c2d6aa$c5327d40$eed57ad5@oemcomputer> No, that was the 610, had a matching power amp 620 which also had a 600 in Black. (610 and 600 standard finish was silver) All the above could be fitted into a wheeled rack (big boys Meccano which was a b**** to put together) topped off with a Nak clock/timer between 5 and 10 complete systems sold in UK. I doubt if any are still racked up!!! . LA100 was a line amp (Approx 1U High 6 inches wide), part of set including: SF 100 2 way electronic Xover MX 100 Mic Pre, L, R and Centre inputs BA100 Bridge Amp (for connecting 2 X 620's or 2 x 420's) I seem to remember there was also a MC preamp for the 1000 and 500 cartrides. PS 100 DC Suppy for the above (4 pin DIN plug cable,loop through connection to the various units Terry ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak LA-100 (Line Amplifier) > Was the LA-100 the preamp with the slanted front and rack handles? This one was almost a mixer. > > Dave > > -------Original Message------- > From: The BlueSwapper > Sent: 02/16/03 10:51 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com, NakChatt at yahoogroups.com > Subject: [naktalk] Nak LA-100 (Line Amplifier) > > > > > Re: Nak LA-100 (Line Amplifier). Offered by Nakamichi during the late > 1970s, into the early 1980s, as one of the black box peripheral component > series. > > My query is: Does anyone have an LA-100, and do you have any best > practices use impressions to share. I'm about to purchase an LA-100, to use > between my sourcing Philips CD/CDR Marantz cassette decks and my primary > recording Nak ZX-7 cassette deck. From what I read about the LA-100, this can be a > very beneficial peripheral component when recording from varying signal > sources. I'm willing to invest a modest amount of $$'s to add this > functionality to my Nak cassette decks. Can you visualise what a ZX-7 will look like > with two black boxes stacked side-by-side ontop? that is, MX-100 & > LA-100??. Potential prob comes to mind though, how do you have multiple black > box peripherals functioning simultaneously (power and connection), when there > is only one set of special black box sockets on the backside of a ZX-7? > Oh,oh, complications & nimble fingers ! > > Thanks for your input on the performance, advantages and/or shortcomings > of using the LA-100 as a signal gain controller. > > Bleus > > --- > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! > Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Feb 17 19:07:36 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 01:07:36 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] How to check a NAK? References: <20030217133001.23588.qmail@web13509.mail.yahoo.com> <001901c2d6a5$a8bcd250$8075059a@desktop> Message-ID: <005f01c2d6af$7438de20$931a9bca@smarzuki> Excellent collection Roland ! In addition to this and Ron's post - I usually bring a test tape consisting of a 400hz test tone, first with 5 sec of left channel only, then 5 sec of right channel only (optional: 5 sec of both ch) followed by a long 15khz tone recorded on a well aligned Nak (you can use your PC to generate the tone). You might not need it though - but I bought Nak decks with head wired in mono ! The 15k tone is to check 'unseen' wear (provided deck for sale is also calibrated): found mint looking heads with rolled off high freq. More miscs: - look at the head trim wheels and wish to find a dusty untouched ones - play deck with no tape inside, watch meters & listen for any noise - for auto calibration decks / with test tones, bring blank cassette and test calibration facility Salim SM (living in tough place for naks) ----- Original Message ----- From: Roland Alford To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 11:56 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] How to check a NAK? Stephen Sank has been very generous with his knowledge over the years and I have saved some of his e-mails that covered the basics when it comes to choosing a used Nakamichi deck and what to look for. At the bottom are his contact details. Below are some pararagraphs that I found useful. --Roland =============================================================== Basics: 1) When you reach in & press down on each pinch roller, they should move easily against firm spring pressure, and they should snap right back up. Best to remove the door, close the frame, put it in play mode & then press From kannan_s at vsnl.com Mon Feb 17 19:28:30 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 23:58:30 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] LX 5 ? Message-ID: <20030217182830.A01D61149D5@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Mon Feb 17 19:46:13 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 00:16:13 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] How to check a NAK? Message-ID: <20030217184613.CBC8B114918@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Feb 17 19:54:04 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 18:54:04 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi and tape reviews in Hi-Fi World In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000e01c2d6b5$f17e3500$2da087d9@oemcomputer> I saw a similar review in one of the British hi fi mags that came to much the same conclusion. The Arcam was, as I recall, generally regarded as the first deck on which Dolby S REALLY worked well. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Mark Hugo > Sent: 17 February 2003 14:15 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi and tape reviews in Hi-Fi World > > > That wouldn't be the first cassette deck that I heard had > 'toffee'd" a DAT deck. The Stereophile review of the Arcam Delta > 100 Cassette Deck (a big British three-head Dolby S machine) was > thought to be better (and quite firmly so) on first generation > copies of the source material. If I recall correctly, they had > two DAT decks on hand, one a portable and one a regular component unit. > > Marc > > >>> ra.ah at rcn.com 02/17/03 03:41PM >>> > > John, I would be much interested in the analog-DAT comparison > of the CR-7e. > > TIA, > > > -- Ron > > > > John Walker wrote: > > > > Further to my last post, I have found the following reviews in > Hi-Fi World: > > > > Aug 91 Tape test - Maxell SX-II vs TDK SF (? never heard > of that one!) > > Jan 92 Nakamichi Cassette Deck 1.5 > > Aug 92 Nakamichi CR-7E (consistently better than a DAT recorder in > > the test!) > > Nov 92 Tape test - TDK SF, SA, SA-X, MA > > Mar 93 Nakamichi DR-2 and DR-3 > > May 93 Tape test - Maxell UR, SX I, SX II, ,MX > > Jun 93 Nakamichi DR-1 > > Feb 94 Nakamichi DR-2 vs Sony TC-K611S vs Yamaha KX-650 (the Nak > > won, but it was close!) > > Aug 94 Tape test - metal tapes, including Sony Metal Master and TDK > > MA-XG > > Dec 99 Nakamichi Soundspace 8 ("SoundSpace probably isn't hi-fi as > > we know it..." > > > > I guess that list charts the last days of cassette, and of Nakamichi to > > some extent too. (Looking through the magazines also shows how Hi-Fi > > World declined from its early years. Their kits are still pretty good, > > although I heard one once described as "best suited as a boat anchor".) > > I will get the magazines into the office later in the week for scanning. > > I have to use a colleague's scanner for this, so let me know if any of > > these articles are of particular interest, and I shall give them > > priority. I would also appreciate guidance on how best to upload the > > files - I believe that we have some OCR software at work, so I shall try > > to create .PDF files if I can. > > > > John Walker, feeling less guilty now that I am back on topic . > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > > The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject > to legal privilege. 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Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.455 / Virus Database: 255 - Release Date: 13/02/03 From roleo at telus.net Mon Feb 17 20:02:37 2003 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 11:02:37 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Comparison (Audio Magazine) References: Message-ID: <001101c2d6b7$23550990$8075059a@desktop> KJ: Just wanted to remind you that I have this tape comparison chart from Consumer Reports back in the late 80's in case you are interested: http://www3.telus.net/Rolands_Webspace/E-bay/Tape-Chart.jpg --Roland ----- Original Message ----- From: "The BlueSwapper" To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 4:11 PM Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Comparison (Audio Magazine) > I'm wondering whether anyone has a collection of past Audio Magazines from years 1984 thru 1990. If you do, kindly check for one or two cassette tape special issues of the magazine that compare the best cassettes of that era. I recollect that those issues were quite informative, ranking the cassette tape specs and performance. If we can get ahold of those issues, voliminous information we can share. > > I will investigate my local (public library) sources for leads on those issues of Audio Magazine. > > Also, does anyone have opinions on the late 1980's Denon high bias (chrome) cassettes, HD-7s and HD-8s particularly. These Denons were considered premium, sold mostly at speciality audio stores more than a decade ago. I have used the Denon high bias cassettes over the years, and they (imo) easily match the performance of Maxell XLIIS cassettes. More on the Denons when I receive a gently used batch of HD-7 and HD-8 cassettes purchased recently. > > Best regards, > > K.J. Bleus > Madison, Wisc USA > Lat 43o04'N, Long 89o24'W > > --- > Help keep the blues alive! 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Thanks, Joe ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From John at jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk Mon Feb 17 22:35:47 2003 From: John at jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 21:35:47 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi and tape reviews in Hi-Fi World References: <3E4FD609.2020808@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <3E50E695.FA9BA125@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3E5155B3.4000603@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Ron As you asked so nicely, my old sparring partner, I will type the relevant bits out for you: "One thing I've been doing with it is comparing it with a DAT machine. More of this later, but it (the CR-7E) vindicated itself and took the honours. Bluntly, it won hands down and no messing. Don't blame me - I can't help it if there's life in analogue yet. Most prospective buyers will want to use a machine like this for recording. Why mess about with aged analogue when there's all this modern digital about? All I can say is that when it's a CR7 it sounds better. Mightily impressed myself, I interrupted a friend's decorating and sat him down to a listen. This was a blind test: (yikes, Ron) I switched between a recording I'd made previously of Jazz, Classical and Rock on both DAT and cassette with the same tracks on CD. Sources were switched randomly. To give the Nakamichi a fair chance, the recording was made on a Maxell Vertex - costing about the same as a DAT tape. CD was Arcam's new Delta 170.3 with a Sugden SDA1 DAC, which was also used for the digital feed to and from the Pioneer D500 DAT machine. Consistently, CD came first in preference. Second, except for one one track, where it was preferred to CD - was the CR7. Always last was DAT. My guinea pig was more surprised than I was when I told him his order of preference. In the jazz recording, he criticized the cassette copy as being less cohesive than the CD. On the other hand, in both the classical piece and the jazz, he thought that the instruments had a more realistic timbre on both CD and cassette than DAT. The DAT copy generally, he thought, was both harder and harsher than either, almost painful at the top end, and anomalous at the bottom. Drums, and the lower notes of stringed instruments on DAT "sound as if they are struggling to get out of the recording" he said. *Last fling* If this is cassette's last fling before digital takes over, it deserves serious consideration as a recording medium. In fact, I would be tempted to say that if cassette decks had all reached this standard more often in the last decade, digital recording systems might well have been received with wide yawns and mumbles of 'So what?' It's the kind of quality that leads you to believe cassette still has a valid future. OK it's expensive. So what? Compared to the cost of a top CD transport and DAC or high-end amplification, the price isn't our of order. If you have a large collection of cassettes, if you are serious about recording off-air, aspire to the CR7." The article was written by Eric Braithwaite, who I think has a pretty good reputation. The original piece ran to three pages,with a nice pair of diagrams comparing the CR7 mechanism to that of a conventional dual-capstan drive as well as some decent photos. I do not know whether the blind testing is sufficient to be objective, but it is certainly a step better than the Harry Pearson school of assessment by wafty metaphor. (Hey that phrase was good - can I copyright that here and now, please?) I like his point about using a really top of the range cassette - because it was the same price as a DAT tape. Could DAT have under-performed simply because it was not set up well? I do not know DAT that well. Is the performance difference simply because the DAT player was re-sampling the digital stream from 44.1 kHz to 48 kHz with a limited interpolation filter? Is the above result supported by the considerable experience of this group? Over to you guys. John Walker, speed typist, distiller and coiner of the odd bon mot, apparently Ron wrote: >John, I would be much interested in the analog-DAT comparison >of the CR-7e. > >TIA, > > >-- Ron > > > >John Walker wrote: > > >>Further to my last post, I have found the following reviews in Hi-Fi World: >> >>Aug 91 Tape test - Maxell SX-II vs TDK SF (? never heard of that one!) >>Jan 92 Nakamichi Cassette Deck 1.5 >>Aug 92 Nakamichi CR-7E (consistently better than a DAT recorder in >>the test!) >>Nov 92 Tape test - TDK SF, SA, SA-X, MA >>Mar 93 Nakamichi DR-2 and DR-3 >>May 93 Tape test - Maxell UR, SX I, SX II, ,MX >>Jun 93 Nakamichi DR-1 >>Feb 94 Nakamichi DR-2 vs Sony TC-K611S vs Yamaha KX-650 (the Nak >>won, but it was close!) >>Aug 94 Tape test - metal tapes, including Sony Metal Master and TDK >>MA-XG >>Dec 99 Nakamichi Soundspace 8 ("SoundSpace probably isn't hi-fi as >>we know it..." >> >>I guess that list charts the last days of cassette, and of Nakamichi to >>some extent too. (Looking through the magazines also shows how Hi-Fi >>World declined from its early years. Their kits are still pretty good, >>although I heard one once described as "best suited as a boat anchor".) >>I will get the magazines into the office later in the week for scanning. >>I have to use a colleague's scanner for this, so let me know if any of >>these articles are of particular interest, and I shall give them >>priority. I would also appreciate guidance on how best to upload the >>files - I believe that we have some OCR software at work, so I shall try >>to create .PDF files if I can. >> >>John Walker, feeling less guilty now that I am back on topic . >> >> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > From bjgrady at pacbell.net Mon Feb 17 22:33:48 2003 From: bjgrady at pacbell.net (John) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 13:33:48 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: audiotalk In-Reply-To: <20030217.161349.-161103.21.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <000501c2d6cc$422b6d90$5900a8c0@SUPPORT.RENTANAPT.COM> I also received a automated e-mail telling me that there was problems. Still have not figured it out. Cal John. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of josephj69 at juno.com Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 1:14 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: audiotalk Guys, How do I sign up for audiotalk??? I already tried to sign up once a few weeks back, but I guess it didn't work. Please help. Thanks, Joe ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From lcashjr at nc.rr.com Mon Feb 17 23:40:23 2003 From: lcashjr at nc.rr.com (Sandy Cash) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 17:40:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] How to check a NAK? References: <20030217133001.23588.qmail@web13509.mail.yahoo.com> <001901c2d6a5$a8bcd250$8075059a@desktop> <005f01c2d6af$7438de20$931a9bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <004401c2d6d5$8f32bb80$0300a8c0@sandpiper> I am very much a tyro when it comes to high-end audio, so hold the flames if this is a silly suggestion...but maybe generate your test tone at 440 Hz (concert A) instead of 400 Hz, so that if you lack an oscilliscope (as I do), you can do the comparison with a tuning fork instead? (I know pitch accuracy is probably not the only thing you're checking here, btw.) Best, -Sandy -- Sandy Cash Durham, NC "The time for change is here and here we are, we're just for you!" - Funkadelic ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 1:07 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] How to check a NAK? > > Excellent collection Roland ! > > In addition to this and Ron's post - I usually bring a test tape consisting > of a 400hz test tone, first with 5 sec of left channel only, then 5 sec of > right channel only (optional: 5 sec of both ch) followed by a long 15khz > tone recorded on a well aligned Nak (you can use your PC to generate the > tone). [snip] From lcashjr at nc.rr.com Tue Feb 18 00:10:17 2003 From: lcashjr at nc.rr.com (Sandy Cash) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 18:10:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: How to check a NAK? Message-ID: <000b01c2d6d9$bc7b4e00$0300a8c0@sandpiper> I am very much a tyro when it comes to high-end audio, so hold the flames if this is a silly suggestion...but maybe generate your test tone at 440 Hz (concert A) instead of 400 Hz, so that if you lack an oscilliscope (as I do), you can do the comparison with a tuning fork instead? (I know pitch accuracy is probably not the only thing you're checking here, btw.) Best, -Sandy -- Sandy Cash Durham, NC "The time for change is here and here we are, we're just for you!" - Funkadelic ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 1:07 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] How to check a NAK? > > Excellent collection Roland ! > > In addition to this and Ron's post - I usually bring a test tape consisting > of a 400hz test tone, first with 5 sec of left channel only, then 5 sec of > right channel only (optional: 5 sec of both ch) followed by a long 15khz > tone recorded on a well aligned Nak (you can use your PC to generate the > tone). [snip] From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Feb 18 02:12:06 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 20:12:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi and tape reviews in Hi-Fi World References: <3E4FD609.2020808@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <3E50E695.FA9BA125@rcn.com> <3E5155B3.4000603@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <3E518866.FDFD4C95@rcn.com> Thanks you so very much, John. That was very interesting. I already knew that cassette (not necessarily the CR-7) outdid mini disc, but thought that DAT should make just about perfect copies. Much appreciated, -- Ron John Walker wrote: > > Ron > As you asked so nicely, my old sparring partner, I will type the > relevant bits out for you: > > "One thing I've been doing with it is comparing it with a DAT machine. > More of this later, but it (the CR-7E) vindicated itself and took the > honours. Bluntly, it won hands down and no messing. Don't blame me - I > can't help it if there's life in analogue yet. > > Most prospective buyers will want to use a machine like this for > recording. Why mess about with aged analogue when there's all this > modern digital about? All I can say is that when it's a CR7 it sounds > better. Mightily impressed myself, I interrupted a friend's decorating > and sat him down to a listen. This was a blind test: (yikes, Ron) I > switched between a recording I'd made previously of Jazz, Classical and > Rock on both DAT and cassette with the same tracks on CD. Sources were > switched randomly. To give the Nakamichi a fair chance, the recording > was made on a Maxell Vertex - costing about the same as a DAT tape. CD > was Arcam's new Delta 170.3 with a Sugden SDA1 DAC, which was also used > for the digital feed to and from the Pioneer D500 DAT machine. > Consistently, CD came first in preference. Second, except for one one > track, where it was preferred to CD - was the CR7. Always last was DAT. > My guinea pig was more surprised than I was when I told him his order of > preference. In the jazz recording, he criticized the cassette copy as > being less cohesive than the CD. On the other hand, in both the > classical piece and the jazz, he thought that the instruments had a more > realistic timbre on both CD and cassette than DAT. The DAT copy > generally, he thought, was both harder and harsher than either, almost > painful at the top end, and anomalous at the bottom. Drums, and the > lower notes of stringed instruments on DAT "sound as if they are > struggling to get out of the recording" he said. > > *Last fling* > If this is cassette's last fling before digital takes over, it deserves > serious consideration as a recording medium. In fact, I would be tempted > to say that if cassette decks had all reached this standard more often > in the last decade, digital recording systems might well have been > received with wide yawns and mumbles of 'So what?' It's the kind of > quality that leads you to believe cassette still has a valid future. OK > it's expensive. So what? Compared to the cost of a top CD transport and > DAC or high-end amplification, the price isn't our of order. If you have > a large collection of cassettes, if you are serious about recording > off-air, aspire to the CR7." > > The article was written by Eric Braithwaite, who I think has a pretty > good reputation. The original piece ran to three pages,with a nice pair > of diagrams comparing the CR7 mechanism to that of a conventional > dual-capstan drive as well as some decent photos. I do not know whether > the blind testing is sufficient to be objective, but it is certainly a > step better than the Harry Pearson school of assessment by wafty > metaphor. (Hey that phrase was good - can I copyright that here and now, > please?) I like his point about using a really top of the range cassette > - because it was the same price as a DAT tape. Could DAT have > under-performed simply because it was not set up well? I do not know DAT > that well. Is the performance difference simply because the DAT player > was re-sampling the digital stream from 44.1 kHz to 48 kHz with a > limited interpolation filter? Is the above result supported by the > considerable experience of this group? Over to you guys. > > John Walker, speed typist, distiller and coiner of the odd bon mot, > apparently > > Ron wrote: > > >John, I would be much interested in the analog-DAT comparison > >of the CR-7e. > > > >TIA, > > > > > >-- Ron > > > > > > > >John Walker wrote: > > > > > >>Further to my last post, I have found the following reviews in Hi-Fi World: > >> > >>Aug 91 Tape test - Maxell SX-II vs TDK SF (? never heard of that one!) > >>Jan 92 Nakamichi Cassette Deck 1.5 > >>Aug 92 Nakamichi CR-7E (consistently better than a DAT recorder in > >>the test!) > >>Nov 92 Tape test - TDK SF, SA, SA-X, MA > >>Mar 93 Nakamichi DR-2 and DR-3 > >>May 93 Tape test - Maxell UR, SX I, SX II, ,MX > >>Jun 93 Nakamichi DR-1 > >>Feb 94 Nakamichi DR-2 vs Sony TC-K611S vs Yamaha KX-650 (the Nak > >>won, but it was close!) > >>Aug 94 Tape test - metal tapes, including Sony Metal Master and TDK > >>MA-XG > >>Dec 99 Nakamichi Soundspace 8 ("SoundSpace probably isn't hi-fi as > >>we know it..." > >> > >>I guess that list charts the last days of cassette, and of Nakamichi to > >>some extent too. (Looking through the magazines also shows how Hi-Fi > >>World declined from its early years. Their kits are still pretty good, > >>although I heard one once described as "best suited as a boat anchor".) > >>I will get the magazines into the office later in the week for scanning. > >>I have to use a colleague's scanner for this, so let me know if any of > >>these articles are of particular interest, and I shall give them > >>priority. I would also appreciate guidance on how best to upload the > >>files - I believe that we have some OCR software at work, so I shall try > >>to create .PDF files if I can. > >> > >>John Walker, feeling less guilty now that I am back on topic . > >> > >> > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > >> > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Feb 18 02:22:09 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 20:22:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] How to check a NAK? References: <20030217133001.23588.qmail@web13509.mail.yahoo.com> <001901c2d6a5$a8bcd250$8075059a@desktop> <005f01c2d6af$7438de20$931a9bca@smarzuki> <004401c2d6d5$8f32bb80$0300a8c0@sandpiper> Message-ID: <3E518AC1.7C2C7717@rcn.com> The 400 Hz tone, for a quick check at the seller's place, would be normally generated by the cassette deck itself. Since it's an internal analog oscillator, frequency accuracy will be poor -- suitable for recording and Dolby level adjustments, but not for speed accuracy checks. To check for speed accuracy, one would use a recording of a digitally generated tone (3000Hz is common) and an accurate (1%) frequency counter. This is not a test I would bother to run on a seller's site, since it is fairly easy to adjust the speed after getting the new toy home. --Ron Sandy Cash wrote: > > I am very much a tyro when it comes to high-end audio, so hold the flames if > this is a silly suggestion...but maybe generate your test tone at 440 Hz > (concert A) instead of 400 Hz, so that if you lack an oscilliscope (as I > do), you can do the comparison with a tuning fork instead? > > (I know pitch accuracy is probably not the only thing you're checking here, > btw.) > > Best, > > -Sandy > > -- > Sandy Cash > Durham, NC > > "The time for change is here and here we are, we're just for you!" - > Funkadelic > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salim Marzuki" > To: > Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 1:07 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] How to check a NAK? > > > > > Excellent collection Roland ! > > > > In addition to this and Ron's post - I usually bring a test tape > consisting > > of a 400hz test tone, first with 5 sec of left channel only, then 5 sec of > > right channel only (optional: 5 sec of both ch) followed by a long 15khz > > tone recorded on a well aligned Nak (you can use your PC to generate the > > tone). > > [snip] > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From lcashjr at nc.rr.com Tue Feb 18 02:40:41 2003 From: lcashjr at nc.rr.com (Sandy Cash) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 20:40:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] How to check a NAK? References: <20030217133001.23588.qmail@web13509.mail.yahoo.com> <001901c2d6a5$a8bcd250$8075059a@desktop> <005f01c2d6af$7438de20$931a9bca@smarzuki> <004401c2d6d5$8f32bb80$0300a8c0@sandpiper> <3E518AC1.7C2C7717@rcn.com> Message-ID: <000a01c2d6ee$bf525640$0300a8c0@sandpiper> Thanks for the explanation. Hope newbie questions (and stupid suggestions) are okay on the list, within limits. -Sandy -- Sandy Cash Durham, NC "The time for change is here and here we are, we're just for you!" - Funkadelic ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 8:22 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] How to check a NAK? > > The 400 Hz tone, for a quick check at the seller's place, > would be normally generated by the cassette deck itself. > Since it's an internal analog oscillator, frequency accuracy > will be poor -- suitable for recording and Dolby level > adjustments, but not for speed accuracy checks. > > To check for speed accuracy, one would use a recording of a > digitally generated tone (3000Hz is common) and an accurate > (1%) frequency counter. This is not a test I would bother > to run on a seller's site, since it is fairly easy to adjust > the speed after getting the new toy home. > > --Ron > > > Sandy Cash wrote: > > > > I am very much a tyro when it comes to high-end audio, so hold the flames if > > this is a silly suggestion...but maybe generate your test tone at 440 Hz > > (concert A) instead of 400 Hz, so that if you lack an oscilliscope (as I > > do), you can do the comparison with a tuning fork instead? > > > > (I know pitch accuracy is probably not the only thing you're checking here, > > btw.) > > > > Best, > > > > -Sandy > > > > -- > > Sandy Cash > > Durham, NC > > > > "The time for change is here and here we are, we're just for you!" - > > Funkadelic > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Salim Marzuki" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 1:07 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] How to check a NAK? > > > > > > > > Excellent collection Roland ! > > > > > > In addition to this and Ron's post - I usually bring a test tape > > consisting > > > of a 400hz test tone, first with 5 sec of left channel only, then 5 sec of > > > right channel only (optional: 5 sec of both ch) followed by a long 15khz > > > tone recorded on a well aligned Nak (you can use your PC to generate the > > > tone). > > > > [snip] > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Feb 18 03:53:00 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 09:53:00 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] How to check a NAK? Message-ID: <6f7bc7293f.7293f6f7bc@indosat.net.id> The alternating L & R channel tone is to check normal stereo head, i.e. L & R is working fine, not for speed test. The Hi Freq - 15khz test to check head's capability to reproduce HF, provided it is not way off alignment. BTW sometimes one channel could worn 'prematurely' (in my experience) - and is / was difficult to spot when we listen to normal music, as the other channel's HF is 'covering' for the weak one. Sorry if my English is not very clear .... Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Date: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 8:22 am Subject: Re: [naktalk] How to check a NAK? > > The 400 Hz tone, for a quick check at the seller's place, > would be normally generated by the cassette deck itself. > Since it's an internal analog oscillator, frequency accuracy > will be poor -- suitable for recording and Dolby level > adjustments, but not for speed accuracy checks. > > To check for speed accuracy, one would use a recording of a > digitally generated tone (3000Hz is common) and an accurate > (1%) frequency counter. This is not a test I would bother > to run on a seller's site, since it is fairly easy to adjust > the speed after getting the new toy home. > > --Ron > > > Sandy Cash wrote: > > > > I am very much a tyro when it comes to high-end audio, so hold > the flames if > > this is a silly suggestion...but maybe generate your test tone > at 440 Hz > > (concert A) instead of 400 Hz, so that if you lack an > oscilliscope (as I > > do), you can do the comparison with a tuning fork instead? > > > > (I know pitch accuracy is probably not the only thing you're > checking here, > > btw.) > > > > Best, > > > > -Sandy > > > > -- > > Sandy Cash > > Durham, NC From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Feb 18 07:52:27 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 13:52:27 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] How to check a NAK? References: <20030217184613.CBC8B114918@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <002301c2d71a$afdfda80$9f1a9bca@smarzuki> Hi Kannan, OK, some correction: not slightly rolled off ... but very rolled off ! So I can only use my ear to listen to the lack of usual Nak zing - and it was not a matter of -2/-3 db at 20khz. I could not believe it either as the head looked pristine with almost no wear marks and deck was in mint condition. Anyway, I initially thought that it was out of alignment. After checking + adjusting guides / heads with proper tools, I measured the deck connected to a PC sound card in out, put a 20hz-20k sweep tone through it and read the resulting recorded tape using spectrum analyzer program almost in real time. Here, you can clearly see the relative differences between decks' rec/pb freq response. Even my healthy 680 (with good HF extension) r/p chart looks ugly compared to rarely used CR4. Put in a new pb head - HF problem went away and freq chart is excellent. I still keep that collection of worn & weirdo heads. The latest is a Dragon head with only left forward channel rolled off .... however it does have slight opening under very close inspection with magnifying glass. But why only one out of 4 channel ? =) Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: kannan_s at vsnl.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 1:46 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] How to check a NAK? I had talked about this in my previous mail but like to add more here. Salim, did you find this rolled of frequency using a millivolt meter / Oscilloscope or just a DMM? If you use an ordinary Digital Multi meter - ( DMM) they will actually show 30% to 40% less than the actual voltage level due to lack of accuracy at high frequency - even at 6 Khz they will start falling off. If you use an Oscilloscope or AC mVoltmeter you will find that the high frequency is higher ! And -2 -3 dB fall at high frequency at say 20Khz is acceptable and you may not hear that anyway! I found my Dragon line iput itself has roll off may be due to some coupling Caps ageing. You can correct that using your tone control if necessary. So calibrate the meter first before using any of the calibration tapes ( assumed that heads are aligned already) to avoid wrong conclusions. When I checked my 10 years old 582 heads - they were actually showing fantastic frequency response! Some more to tests to check an used Nak 1. Any cable wire tying grease which has a decolouration at the circuit board side - which causes shorts! 2. Check hardening grease on pinch rollars/silding guides as well as pinch rollar mounts Kannan smarzuki at indosat.net.id wrote Excellent collection Roland ! From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Feb 18 14:37:12 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 08:37:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] How to check a NAK? References: <20030217133001.23588.qmail@web13509.mail.yahoo.com> <001901c2d6a5$a8bcd250$8075059a@desktop> <005f01c2d6af$7438de20$931a9bca@smarzuki> <004401c2d6d5$8f32bb80$0300a8c0@sandpiper> <3E518AC1.7C2C7717@rcn.com> <000a01c2d6ee$bf525640$0300a8c0@sandpiper> Message-ID: <3E523708.3943917E@rcn.com> As my math teacher used to say, there are no stupid questions, only stupid answers... -- Ron Sandy Cash wrote: > > Thanks for the explanation. Hope newbie questions (and stupid suggestions) > are okay on the list, within limits. > > -Sandy > > -- > Sandy Cash > Durham, NC > > "The time for change is here and here we are, we're just for you!" - > Funkadelic > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 8:22 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] How to check a NAK? > > > > > The 400 Hz tone, for a quick check at the seller's place, > > would be normally generated by the cassette deck itself. > > Since it's an internal analog oscillator, frequency accuracy > > will be poor -- suitable for recording and Dolby level > > adjustments, but not for speed accuracy checks. > > > > To check for speed accuracy, one would use a recording of a > > digitally generated tone (3000Hz is common) and an accurate > > (1%) frequency counter. This is not a test I would bother > > to run on a seller's site, since it is fairly easy to adjust > > the speed after getting the new toy home. > > > > --Ron > > > > > > Sandy Cash wrote: > > > > > > I am very much a tyro when it comes to high-end audio, so hold the > flames if > > > this is a silly suggestion...but maybe generate your test tone at 440 Hz > > > (concert A) instead of 400 Hz, so that if you lack an oscilliscope (as I > > > do), you can do the comparison with a tuning fork instead? > > > > > > (I know pitch accuracy is probably not the only thing you're checking > here, > > > btw.) > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > -Sandy > > > > > > -- > > > Sandy Cash > > > Durham, NC > > > > > > "The time for change is here and here we are, we're just for you!" - > > > Funkadelic > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Salim Marzuki" > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 1:07 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] How to check a NAK? > > > > > > > > > > > Excellent collection Roland ! > > > > > > > > In addition to this and Ron's post - I usually bring a test tape > > > consisting > > > > of a 400hz test tone, first with 5 sec of left channel only, then 5 > sec of > > > > right channel only (optional: 5 sec of both ch) followed by a long > 15khz > > > > tone recorded on a well aligned Nak (you can use your PC to generate > the > > > > tone). > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Feb 18 19:34:24 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 18:34:24 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] How to check a NAK? In-Reply-To: <3E523708.3943917E@rcn.com> Message-ID: <001f01c2d77c$5c3b4560$9dd0883e@oemcomputer> Very wise. G > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Ron > Sent: 18 February 2003 13:37 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] How to check a NAK? > > > > As my math teacher used to say, there are no stupid questions, > only stupid answers... > > -- Ron > > > Sandy Cash wrote: > > > > Thanks for the explanation. Hope newbie questions (and stupid > suggestions) > > are okay on the list, within limits. > > > > -Sandy > > > > -- > > Sandy Cash > > Durham, NC > > > > "The time for change is here and here we are, we're just for you!" - > > Funkadelic > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.455 / Virus Database: 255 - Release Date: 13/02/03 From John at jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk Tue Feb 18 20:44:22 2003 From: John at jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 19:44:22 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi and tape reviews in Hi-Fi World References: <3E4FD609.2020808@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <3E50E695.FA9BA125@rcn.com> <3E5155B3.4000603@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <3E518866.FDFD4C95@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3E528D16.3000904@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Ron I found it interesting too, but it didn't really dig deep enough, and failed to explore a possible 'easy' or perhaps trivial explanation for the result. Hi-Fi News also looked into some of these issues. I shall go have a look. But I don't remember anything convincing, so don't hold your breath waiting for more! John Ron wrote: >Thanks you so very much, John. That was very interesting. I >already knew that cassette (not necessarily the CR-7) outdid >mini disc, but thought that DAT should make just about perfect >copies. Much appreciated, > >-- Ron > > > >John Walker wrote: > > >>Ron >>As you asked so nicely, my old sparring partner, I will type the >>relevant bits out for you: >> >>"One thing I've been doing with it is comparing it with a DAT machine. >>More of this later, but it (the CR-7E) vindicated itself and took the >>honours. Bluntly, it won hands down and no messing. Don't blame me - I >>can't help it if there's life in analogue yet. >> >>Most prospective buyers will want to use a machine like this for >>recording. Why mess about with aged analogue when there's all this >>modern digital about? All I can say is that when it's a CR7 it sounds >>better. Mightily impressed myself, I interrupted a friend's decorating >>and sat him down to a listen. This was a blind test: (yikes, Ron) I >>switched between a recording I'd made previously of Jazz, Classical and >>Rock on both DAT and cassette with the same tracks on CD. Sources were >>switched randomly. To give the Nakamichi a fair chance, the recording >>was made on a Maxell Vertex - costing about the same as a DAT tape. CD >>was Arcam's new Delta 170.3 with a Sugden SDA1 DAC, which was also used >>for the digital feed to and from the Pioneer D500 DAT machine. >>Consistently, CD came first in preference. Second, except for one one >>track, where it was preferred to CD - was the CR7. Always last was DAT. >>My guinea pig was more surprised than I was when I told him his order of >>preference. In the jazz recording, he criticized the cassette copy as >>being less cohesive than the CD. On the other hand, in both the >>classical piece and the jazz, he thought that the instruments had a more >>realistic timbre on both CD and cassette than DAT. The DAT copy >>generally, he thought, was both harder and harsher than either, almost >>painful at the top end, and anomalous at the bottom. Drums, and the >>lower notes of stringed instruments on DAT "sound as if they are >>struggling to get out of the recording" he said. >> >>*Last fling* >>If this is cassette's last fling before digital takes over, it deserves >>serious consideration as a recording medium. In fact, I would be tempted >>to say that if cassette decks had all reached this standard more often >>in the last decade, digital recording systems might well have been >>received with wide yawns and mumbles of 'So what?' It's the kind of >>quality that leads you to believe cassette still has a valid future. OK >>it's expensive. So what? Compared to the cost of a top CD transport and >>DAC or high-end amplification, the price isn't our of order. If you have >>a large collection of cassettes, if you are serious about recording >>off-air, aspire to the CR7." >> >>The article was written by Eric Braithwaite, who I think has a pretty >>good reputation. The original piece ran to three pages,with a nice pair >>of diagrams comparing the CR7 mechanism to that of a conventional >>dual-capstan drive as well as some decent photos. I do not know whether >>the blind testing is sufficient to be objective, but it is certainly a >>step better than the Harry Pearson school of assessment by wafty >>metaphor. (Hey that phrase was good - can I copyright that here and now, >>please?) I like his point about using a really top of the range cassette >>- because it was the same price as a DAT tape. Could DAT have >>under-performed simply because it was not set up well? I do not know DAT >>that well. Is the performance difference simply because the DAT player >>was re-sampling the digital stream from 44.1 kHz to 48 kHz with a >>limited interpolation filter? Is the above result supported by the >>considerable experience of this group? Over to you guys. >> >>John Walker, speed typist, distiller and coiner of the odd bon mot, >>apparently >> >>Ron wrote: >> >> >> >>>John, I would be much interested in the analog-DAT comparison >>>of the CR-7e. >>> >>>TIA, >>> >>> >>>-- Ron >>> >>> >>> >>>John Walker wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Further to my last post, I have found the following reviews in Hi-Fi World: >>>> >>>>Aug 91 Tape test - Maxell SX-II vs TDK SF (? never heard of that one!) >>>>Jan 92 Nakamichi Cassette Deck 1.5 >>>>Aug 92 Nakamichi CR-7E (consistently better than a DAT recorder in >>>>the test!) >>>>Nov 92 Tape test - TDK SF, SA, SA-X, MA >>>>Mar 93 Nakamichi DR-2 and DR-3 >>>>May 93 Tape test - Maxell UR, SX I, SX II, ,MX >>>>Jun 93 Nakamichi DR-1 >>>>Feb 94 Nakamichi DR-2 vs Sony TC-K611S vs Yamaha KX-650 (the Nak >>>>won, but it was close!) >>>>Aug 94 Tape test - metal tapes, including Sony Metal Master and TDK >>>>MA-XG >>>>Dec 99 Nakamichi Soundspace 8 ("SoundSpace probably isn't hi-fi as >>>>we know it..." >>>> >>>>I guess that list charts the last days of cassette, and of Nakamichi to >>>>some extent too. (Looking through the magazines also shows how Hi-Fi >>>>World declined from its early years. Their kits are still pretty good, >>>>although I heard one once described as "best suited as a boat anchor".) >>>>I will get the magazines into the office later in the week for scanning. >>>>I have to use a colleague's scanner for this, so let me know if any of >>>>these articles are of particular interest, and I shall give them >>>>priority. I would also appreciate guidance on how best to upload the >>>>files - I believe that we have some OCR software at work, so I shall try >>>>to create .PDF files if I can. >>>> >>>>John Walker, feeling less guilty now that I am back on topic . >>>> >>>> >>>>========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > From khmerideth at anderson.edu Tue Feb 18 21:51:57 2003 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 15:51:57 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Magazine (Cassette Tape Comparsion) Message-ID: Blues sent me the following: "Kent - Great effort and persoanl comments on the Nak MR-1 and cassette performance results. Since I've got a somewhat funky set-up here using Angelfire.com email (the probs you initially experienced), perhaps it would be best for you to post the info onto NakTalk. If you wish, your comments could remain as a primer for discussion. Please proceed posting the info! Bleus" The info I sent had a formatting problem so am re-typing in what I hope is more readable. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Was able to open the attachment at work and found the results a little puzzling (as Nakamichi tapes were re-badged TDK tapes, with tighter tolerances for acceptance): Tape (IEC Type) Frequency Response Deviation (Worst Case) TDK MA (IV) L+2.5dB R+3.3dB (18.5kHz) Maxell MX (IV) L-0.5dB R-0.2dB (20kHz) TDK SA (II) L-0.9dB R-0.6dB (20kHz) Maxell UDXL II (II) L-0.4dB R-0.4dB (20kHz) BASF Pro II (II) L+1dB R+1.4dB (17.5kHz) Scotch XSII L+0.4dB R+0.7dB (20kHz) 3rd Harmonic Distortion Level Deviation L0.40% R0.36% L+0.2dB R0dB L0.26% R0.25% L-0.9dB R-0.8dB L0.53% R0.47% L0dB R0dB L0.94% R0.97% L+0.4dB R+0.4dB L1.5% R1.4% L-1.9dB R-1.9dB L1.4% R1.4% L-0.6dB R-0.6dB This would indicate the TDK MA would record on the bright side (accentuate the high frequencies), but the Maxell MX would give a flatter response. Somewhere, I seem to remember if the level tracking was not within 1dB, there would be poor tracking for Dolby C, resulting in inaccurate record/playback response and phasing anomalies. The MX is getting close to the break point for the C tracking problem, but may very well be fine. The distortion rating for the MX is better than the MA. These lead me to believe if the deck was set up for MX, that would give the best record/playback response between the two tapes. I am not familiar enough with what changes in level adjustment would do to frequency deviation. Therefore, I don't know if adjusting the level for 0dB level deviation would bring the frequency deviation closer to neutral or if it would make the deviation worse. My gut feeling is it would make it worse. In that case, it would be best to set the deck up for SA, though the advantage is not very much. Am a little surprised about the BASF Pro II. My experience with BASF CE II (Chrome Extra) has been pretty good. Can't remember how much the levels have to be adjusted on the ZX-9, Dragon or 680ZX, for the CE II, but they seem to be fine to my ears. There is a little less tape hiss with the CE II. The Pro II level deviation would be of concern to me, but, again, the CE II does not seem to exhibit any problems with tracking when using Dolby C. Although, you may want to consider my "double-nickel" (55) year-old ears are not picking up slight anomalies in the 15kHz+ range. But, I can still hear high frequency problems as they arise in the sound system at church before most of the other techs (some in their 20's) do. But I think part of that is knowing what to listen for. As for the distortion readings; the common objectionable level is 3%, with some people discerning it between 1-2%. The worst offenders of this being the BASF and Scotch, but still very likely acceptable. If no noise reduction, or Dolby B, is used, seems like any of these tapes should be fine. Most people only discern frequency anomalies of about 2dB change. Had an instructor at Valparaiso Technical Institute (1973) that was one of the engineers at Universal Studios in Chicago that had one of the producers who could hear a 0.5dB bump/dip in the frequency response for the tape machines. But that was only out of around 20 different producers he dealt with, NOT the norm. These are my gut feelings and the numbers I quote are from my feeble recollection from many years ago. Blues, this may generate quite some discussion on Naktalk (which I deleted from the "To:" field) if you decide to post it. Of course, this would be great fodder for using the decks having separate bias and level adjustments, as opposed to just general bias adjustments. Note: the MR-1 does NOT have either of these as "user" adjustable. Enough rambling! Back to you. Kent >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From croquetgod at yahoo.com Tue Feb 18 22:47:04 2003 From: croquetgod at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jens-M.=20Arndt?=) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 22:47:04 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1994 Catalogue (in Geerman Language) Message-ID: <20030218214704.43380.qmail@web13501.mail.yahoo.com> Hello there, I've just received a 1994 nak catalogue (german version, 16 pages, incl Dragon RX 505 & 202, DR1,2 and 3). In case this should be of interest I will scan and upload this catalogue. Jens ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei http://premiummail.yahoo.de From mkinch3080 at hotmail.com Wed Feb 19 00:58:36 2003 From: mkinch3080 at hotmail.com (Mark Kinch) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 17:58:36 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 681 ZX Message-ID: Anybody know where I can get a copy of the 681ZX service or owners manual? Thanks. Mark _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Wed Feb 19 01:17:18 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 11:17:18 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] 681 ZX Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201EF7@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Mark. You can go the Naks download section, however there are copies of the 670, 680 & 682 (just your luck heh). I would not think that there is a great big difference between these models. To log in goto.... http://support.naks.com/support username: naktalk password: dragon Hope this helps. Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Kinch [mailto:mkinch3080 at hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, 19 February 2003 10:59 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] 681 ZX Anybody know where I can get a copy of the 681ZX service or owners manual? Thanks. Mark _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Feb 19 02:57:39 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 08:57:39 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] 681 ZX References: Message-ID: <002001c2d7ba$5688f3e0$1d299bca@smarzuki> Have you tried www.schaltungsdienst.de ? There's a 682zx (680 ?) serv manual on Wouter's site that you could probably draw similarities except for the monitoring facilities / pb amp. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Kinch To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 6:58 AM Subject: [naktalk] 681 ZX Anybody know where I can get a copy of the 681ZX service or owners manual? Thanks. Mark From John at jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk Wed Feb 19 21:38:28 2003 From: John at jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 20:38:28 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] How to check a NAK? References: <20030217133001.23588.qmail@web13509.mail.yahoo.com> <001901c2d6a5$a8bcd250$8075059a@desktop> <005f01c2d6af$7438de20$931a9bca@smarzuki> <004401c2d6d5$8f32bb80$0300a8c0@sandpiper> <3E518AC1.7C2C7717@rcn.com> <000a01c2d6ee$bf525640$0300a8c0@sandpiper> Message-ID: <3E53EB44.30400@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Of course they are welcome. Keep firing away! John Walker Sandy Cash wrote: >Thanks for the explanation. Hope newbie questions (and stupid suggestions) >are okay on the list, within limits. > >-Sandy > >-- >Sandy Cash >Durham, NC > >"The time for change is here and here we are, we're just for you!" - >Funkadelic >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ron" >To: >Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 8:22 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] How to check a NAK? > > > > >>The 400 Hz tone, for a quick check at the seller's place, >>would be normally generated by the cassette deck itself. >>Since it's an internal analog oscillator, frequency accuracy >>will be poor -- suitable for recording and Dolby level >>adjustments, but not for speed accuracy checks. >> >>To check for speed accuracy, one would use a recording of a >>digitally generated tone (3000Hz is common) and an accurate >>(1%) frequency counter. This is not a test I would bother >>to run on a seller's site, since it is fairly easy to adjust >>the speed after getting the new toy home. >> >>--Ron >> >> >>Sandy Cash wrote: >> >> >>>I am very much a tyro when it comes to high-end audio, so hold the >>> >>> >flames if > > >>>this is a silly suggestion...but maybe generate your test tone at 440 Hz >>>(concert A) instead of 400 Hz, so that if you lack an oscilliscope (as I >>>do), you can do the comparison with a tuning fork instead? >>> >>>(I know pitch accuracy is probably not the only thing you're checking >>> >>> >here, > > >>>btw.) >>> >>>Best, >>> >>>-Sandy >>> >>>-- >>>Sandy Cash >>>Durham, NC >>> >>>"The time for change is here and here we are, we're just for you!" - >>>Funkadelic >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Salim Marzuki" >>>To: >>>Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 1:07 PM >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] How to check a NAK? >>> >>> >>> >>>>Excellent collection Roland ! >>>> >>>>In addition to this and Ron's post - I usually bring a test tape >>>> >>>> >>>consisting >>> >>> >>>>of a 400hz test tone, first with 5 sec of left channel only, then 5 >>>> >>>> >sec of > > >>>>right channel only (optional: 5 sec of both ch) followed by a long >>>> >>>> >15khz > > >>>>tone recorded on a well aligned Nak (you can use your PC to generate >>>> >>>> >the > > >>>>tone). >>>> >>>> >>>[snip] >>> >>> >>> >>> >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > > >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>To maintain your account please go here: >>> >>> >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > > >> >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>To maintain your account please go here: >> >> >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > From blueswapper at angelfire.com Thu Feb 20 02:08:15 2003 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 17:08:15 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] FYI - Maxell Cassettes (Some of the best?) Message-ID: I'd like comments on those who prefer Maxell cassettes used in Nak decks. Pro or con viewpoints welcome. I'm using XLIIS and MX-S cassettes currently, and I really feel comfortable using these because of the superior high bias tape together with a structurally superior (precise and rigid materials used) cassette case and mechanism. Oh, if some of you are interested and in the market for some reduced prices on Maxell XLII cassettes, have a look at ebay.com. Search under "maxell + cassette". I'm seeing a stack of XLII sealed cassettes (was that 48 total?) starting at a price of under $10 USD? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dllViewItem&item=2509532569&category=1600 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dllViewItem&item=3008439629&category=4784 Best regards, Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper ____________________________________________________________ Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Thu Feb 20 05:40:44 2003 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 04:40:44 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi spoken here - Mr.Bleus Message-ID: Thank you very much for the 4 "Nakamichi spoken here" brochures! Very interesting indeed, as it explains the Nakamichi way. What I didn't realise before was that the crystalloy heads are actually a sendust/ferrite combination alloy. otherwise, the discrete head, dual capstan bits are familiar. Keep up the good work! Kelvin. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger - fast, easy and FREE! http://messenger.msn.co.uk From khmerideth at anderson.edu Thu Feb 20 15:16:11 2003 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 09:16:11 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi and tape reviews in Hi-Fi World Message-ID: John, All of the reviews are of interest to me, but primarily the tapes tests. Kent >>> John at jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk 02/16/03 01:18PM >>> Further to my last post, I have found the following reviews in Hi-Fi World: Aug 91 Tape test - Maxell SX-II vs TDK SF (? never heard of that one!) Jan 92 Nakamichi Cassette Deck 1.5 Aug 92 Nakamichi CR-7E (consistently better than a DAT recorder in the test!) Nov 92 Tape test - TDK SF, SA, SA-X, MA Mar 93 Nakamichi DR-2 and DR-3 May 93 Tape test - Maxell UR, SX I, SX II, ,MX Jun 93 Nakamichi DR-1 Feb 94 Nakamichi DR-2 vs Sony TC-K611S vs Yamaha KX-650 (the Nak won, but it was close!) Aug 94 Tape test - metal tapes, including Sony Metal Master and TDK MA-XG Dec 99 Nakamichi Soundspace 8 ("SoundSpace probably isn't hi-fi as we know it..." I guess that list charts the last days of cassette, and of Nakamichi to some extent too. (Looking through the magazines also shows how Hi-Fi World declined from its early years. Their kits are still pretty good, although I heard one once described as "best suited as a boat anchor".) I will get the magazines into the office later in the week for scanning. I have to use a colleague's scanner for this, so let me know if any of these articles are of particular interest, and I shall give them priority. I would also appreciate guidance on how best to upload the files - I believe that we have some OCR software at work, so I shall try to create .PDF files if I can. 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I also have found them to hard wearing over the years. The XLII-S was the first tape type that I ever had a totally "wow!" experience with. And after all these years, it still does. It's the tape that got me excited about taping. The build quality, smoothness of mechanism and the binders used either for the black magnetite or metal alloy particles can not be faulted. Considering what has been said over the last few weeks regarding the vintage of the cassettes - i.e. the older ones were better etc. does not apply to Maxell. Perhaps to an extent it might apply to Maxell XLII which is a tape I don't know as quite as well as the other two. On TDK, I have no old MAs, only newer ones. I like them - they are invariably from the Far East in one guise or another. I have old and new SA-Xs and they are both first rate, but not quite as emotive or as durable as XLII-S. I have some old SAs and they I find so-so, but at least durable. They are not in the same class as my old UD-XLII. Not even close. The new SAs need careful handling when recording, but are not worth the trouble if I have a choice. Certainly not over an XLII or Sony UX. I'd certainly prefer a BASF CE to a TDK SA!!! Incidentally, I was looking at some old Maxell LN (type 1s) a few days ago, and they were made in R. Korea. That's 1977 guys!! Obviously Hitachi Maxell was looking off-shore for manufacturing savings as early as that. Naturally, that was an entry level tape. Thanks, Marc >>> blueswapper at angelfire.com 02/20/03 03:08AM >>> I'd like comments on those who prefer Maxell cassettes used in Nak decks. Pro or con viewpoints welcome. I'm using XLIIS and MX-S cassettes currently, and I really feel comfortable using these because of the superior high bias tape together with a structurally superior (precise and rigid materials used) cassette case and mechanism. Oh, if some of you are interested and in the market for some reduced prices on Maxell XLII cassettes, have a look at ebay.com. Search under "maxell + cassette". I'm seeing a stack of XLII sealed cassettes (was that 48 total?) starting at a price of under $10 USD? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dllViewItem&item=2509532569&category=1600 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dllViewItem&item=3008439629&category=4784 Best regards, Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper ____________________________________________________________ Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From jmtooley at ce.net Thu Feb 20 17:20:17 2003 From: jmtooley at ce.net (jmtooley at ce.net) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 11:20:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] FYI - Maxell Cassettes (Some of the best?) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1045758017.3e550041e68eb@mail.ce.net> My findings exactly but for C-90 XL-II's and their 10 1/2" reels. Always consistantly 1st. rate mechanics and sound. I just this hour got my unseen before Nak. 700 ZXL from Stephen(Sank) so hopefully will get to try some more II's soon. John T. Quoting Mark Hugo : > Hi Blues, > > I, like you, have a small cache of new unused high position Maxells. As for > the ones I have used, over the last 20 years, I find them to be brilliant, > and entirely to my tastes. I will admit that they have their idiosyncracies > (such as a small HF rise ) as far as the XLII-S and MX-S are concerned, but I > happen to like that. I also have found them to hard wearing over the years. > The XLII-S was the first tape type that I ever had a totally "wow!" > experience with. And after all these years, it still does. It's the tape > that got me excited about taping. The build quality, smoothness of mechanism > and the binders used either for the black magnetite or metal alloy particles > can not be faulted. Considering what has been said over the last few weeks > regarding the vintage of the cassettes - i.e. the older ones were better etc. > does not apply to Maxell. Perhaps to an extent it might apply to Maxell XLII > which is a tape I don't know as quite as well as the other two. > > On TDK, I have no old MAs, only newer ones. I like them - they are > invariably from the Far East in one guise or another. I have old and new > SA-Xs and they are both first rate, but not quite as emotive or as durable as > XLII-S. I have some old SAs and they I find so-so, but at least durable. > They are not in the same class as my old UD-XLII. Not even close. The new > SAs need careful handling when recording, but are not worth the trouble if I > have a choice. Certainly not over an XLII or Sony UX. I'd certainly prefer > a BASF CE to a TDK SA!!! > > Incidentally, I was looking at some old Maxell LN (type 1s) a few days ago, > and they were made in R. Korea. That's 1977 guys!! Obviously Hitachi Maxell > was looking off-shore for manufacturing savings as early as that. Naturally, > that was an entry level tape. > > Thanks, > > Marc > > >>> blueswapper at angelfire.com 02/20/03 03:08AM >>> > I'd like comments on those who prefer Maxell cassettes used in Nak decks. > Pro or con viewpoints welcome. > > I'm using XLIIS and MX-S cassettes currently, and I really feel comfortable > using these because of the superior high bias tape together with a > structurally superior (precise and rigid materials used) cassette case and > mechanism. > > Oh, if some of you are interested and in the market for some reduced prices > on Maxell XLII cassettes, have a look at ebay.com. Search under "maxell + > cassette". I'm seeing a stack of XLII sealed cassettes (was that 48 total?) > starting at a price of under $10 USD? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dllViewItem&item=2509532569&category=1600 > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dllViewItem&item=3008439629&category=4784 > > > Best regards, > > Bleus > > --- > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! > Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ ========= > > The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject > to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more > > attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of > the > named recipient/s. > > If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, > disclose > or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in > reliance on it. > If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying > to > this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your > computer. > > All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are > present > in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or > damage arising > from the use of this email or attachments. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ ========= > > From John at jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk Thu Feb 20 19:16:09 2003 From: John at jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 18:16:09 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi and tape reviews in Hi-Fi World References: Message-ID: <3E551B69.2090600@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Kent, everyone else I have started scanning, but I am currently producing large .TIFF files for each page, and I have not yet worked out how to get the file-size down. I am trying to locate some OCR software at work, and I know that we can publish in Acrobat .PDF format. Is that be current best practice? John Walker Kent Merideth wrote: > John, > > All of the reviews are of interest to me, but primarily the tapes tests. > > Kent > > > >>> John at jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk 02/16/03 01:18PM >>> > Further to my last post, I have found the following reviews in Hi-Fi > World: > > Aug 91 Tape test - Maxell SX-II vs TDK SF (? never heard of that > one!) > Jan 92 Nakamichi Cassette Deck 1.5 > Aug 92 Nakamichi CR-7E (consistently better than a DAT recorder in > the test!) > Nov 92 Tape test - TDK SF, SA, SA-X, MA > Mar 93 Nakamichi DR-2 and DR-3 > May 93 Tape test - Maxell UR, SX I, SX II, ,MX > Jun 93 Nakamichi DR-1 > Feb 94 Nakamichi DR-2 vs Sony TC-K611S vs Yamaha KX-650 (the Nak > won, but it was close!) > Aug 94 Tape test - metal tapes, including Sony Metal Master and TDK > MA-XG > Dec 99 Nakamichi Soundspace 8 ("SoundSpace probably isn't hi-fi as > we know it..." > > I guess that list charts the last days of cassette, and of Nakamichi to > some extent too. (Looking through the magazines also shows how Hi-Fi > World declined from its early years. Their kits are still pretty good, > although I heard one once described as "best suited as a boat anchor".) > I will get the magazines into the office later in the week for scanning. > I have to use a colleague's scanner for this, so let me know if any of > these articles are of particular interest, and I shall give them > priority. I would also appreciate guidance on how best to upload the > files - I believe that we have some OCR software at work, so I shall try > to create .PDF files if I can. > > John Walker, feeling less guilty now that I am back on topic . > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From sandorpistike at hotmail.com Thu Feb 20 19:48:28 2003 From: sandorpistike at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?S=E1ndor_Istv=E1n?=) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 19:48:28 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 illness Message-ID: Hello Naktalkers, I am ashamed of writing to you only if I have a problem, but mostly I cannot help you in any way, being not an expert of this field. For me this forum is mainly to get some knowledge about Naks, hoping you can provide some useful hints. Here is the exact problem of my ZX7: I switch it on with a blank cassette, or without any cassette in PLAY mode. This time there is a silent buzzing noise from the left channel. It is only -30dB (this is the second segment of the output-scale), but of course noticable. Did any of yours have such a problem earlier? Can it be orange-cap disease? Of course I would be very happy to keep my deck(s) in top shape, any help is highly appreciated. Thank you in advance. Best regards, István -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nicy at ya.com Thu Feb 20 19:50:17 2003 From: nicy at ya.com (JGascon) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 19:50:17 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Belt drive/ Gear drive References: <3E551B69.2090600@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <002e01c2d910$e9cfa980$8f2b3b50@PcComunero> Hi all, one question: Does the ZX-7 have gear drive or belt drive?. If I´m not wrong, the decks with the belt drive are: BX1, BX2, BX100, BX125, BX300, CR5, CR7, MR1, MR2 and RX202. Is there any other deck that could need the gear modification? Thansk. Javier. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Walker" To: Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi and tape reviews in Hi-Fi World > Kent, everyone else > I have started scanning, but I am currently producing large .TIFF files > for each page, and I have not yet worked out how to get the file-size > down. I am trying to locate some OCR software at work, and I know that > we can publish in Acrobat .PDF format. Is that be current best practice? > > John Walker > > Kent Merideth wrote: > > > John, > > > > All of the reviews are of interest to me, but primarily the tapes tests. > > > > Kent > > > > > > >>> John at jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk 02/16/03 01:18PM >>> > > Further to my last post, I have found the following reviews in Hi-Fi > > World: > > > > Aug 91 Tape test - Maxell SX-II vs TDK SF (? never heard of that > > one!) > > Jan 92 Nakamichi Cassette Deck 1.5 > > Aug 92 Nakamichi CR-7E (consistently better than a DAT recorder in > > the test!) > > Nov 92 Tape test - TDK SF, SA, SA-X, MA > > Mar 93 Nakamichi DR-2 and DR-3 > > May 93 Tape test - Maxell UR, SX I, SX II, ,MX > > Jun 93 Nakamichi DR-1 > > Feb 94 Nakamichi DR-2 vs Sony TC-K611S vs Yamaha KX-650 (the Nak > > won, but it was close!) > > Aug 94 Tape test - metal tapes, including Sony Metal Master and TDK > > MA-XG > > Dec 99 Nakamichi Soundspace 8 ("SoundSpace probably isn't hi-fi as > > we know it..." > > > > I guess that list charts the last days of cassette, and of Nakamichi to > > some extent too. (Looking through the magazines also shows how Hi-Fi > > World declined from its early years. Their kits are still pretty good, > > although I heard one once described as "best suited as a boat anchor".) > > I will get the magazines into the office later in the week for scanning. > > I have to use a colleague's scanner for this, so let me know if any of > > these articles are of particular interest, and I shall give them > > priority. I would also appreciate guidance on how best to upload the > > files - I believe that we have some OCR software at work, so I shall try > > to create .PDF files if I can. > > > > John Walker, feeling less guilty now that I am back on topic . > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Feb 20 20:20:54 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 02:20:54 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 illness References: Message-ID: <000901c2d915$30bc90c0$d6299bca@smarzuki> Hi Istvan, Most likely it is orange related, as I've seen a deck with wild meter even without a tape inside and solved after "regular housecleaning" of orange caps. However if you can not hear the buzzing noise on your speaker then probably the meter circuit ? Anyway it won't hurt to get rid of those caps, so why don't you start from around dolby pb amp's caps. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Sándor István To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 1:48 AM Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 illness Hello Naktalkers, I am ashamed of writing to you only if I have a problem, but mostly I cannot help you in any way, being not an expert of this field. For me this forum is mainly to get some knowledge about Naks, hoping you can provide some useful hints. Here is the exact problem of my ZX7: I switch it on with a blank cassette, or without any cassette in PLAY mode. This time there is a silent buzzing noise from the left channel. It is only -30dB (this is the second segment of the output-scale), but of course noticable. Did any of yours have such a problem earlier? Can it be orange-cap disease? Of course I would be very happy to keep my deck(s) in top shape, any help is highly appreciated. Thank you in advance. Best regards, István -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sandorpistike at hotmail.com Thu Feb 20 20:16:32 2003 From: sandorpistike at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?S=E1ndor_Istv=E1n?=) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 20:16:32 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Belt drive/ Gear drive References: <3E551B69.2090600@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <002e01c2d910$e9cfa980$8f2b3b50@PcComunero> Message-ID: Hi Javier, the ZX7 has belt drive. Best regards, István Ps: as far as I know, the CR series has gear drive. ----- Original Message ----- From: "JGascon" To: Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 7:50 PM Subject: [naktalk] Belt drive/ Gear drive > Hi all, one question: > Does the ZX-7 have gear drive or belt drive?. If I´m not wrong, the decks > with the belt drive are: BX1, BX2, BX100, BX125, BX300, CR5, CR7, MR1, MR2 > and RX202. > Is there any other deck that could need the gear modification? > Thansk. > Javier. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Walker" > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 7:16 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi and tape reviews in Hi-Fi World > > > > Kent, everyone else > > I have started scanning, but I am currently producing large .TIFF files > > for each page, and I have not yet worked out how to get the file-size > > down. I am trying to locate some OCR software at work, and I know that > > we can publish in Acrobat .PDF format. Is that be current best practice? > > > > John Walker > > > > Kent Merideth wrote: > > > > > John, > > > > > > All of the reviews are of interest to me, but primarily the tapes tests. > > > > > > Kent > > > > > > > > > >>> John at jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk 02/16/03 01:18PM >>> > > > Further to my last post, I have found the following reviews in Hi-Fi > > > World: > > > > > > Aug 91 Tape test - Maxell SX-II vs TDK SF (? never heard of that > > > one!) > > > Jan 92 Nakamichi Cassette Deck 1.5 > > > Aug 92 Nakamichi CR-7E (consistently better than a DAT recorder in > > > the test!) > > > Nov 92 Tape test - TDK SF, SA, SA-X, MA > > > Mar 93 Nakamichi DR-2 and DR-3 > > > May 93 Tape test - Maxell UR, SX I, SX II, ,MX > > > Jun 93 Nakamichi DR-1 > > > Feb 94 Nakamichi DR-2 vs Sony TC-K611S vs Yamaha KX-650 (the Nak > > > won, but it was close!) > > > Aug 94 Tape test - metal tapes, including Sony Metal Master and TDK > > > MA-XG > > > Dec 99 Nakamichi Soundspace 8 ("SoundSpace probably isn't hi-fi as > > > we know it..." > > > > > > I guess that list charts the last days of cassette, and of Nakamichi to > > > some extent too. (Looking through the magazines also shows how Hi-Fi > > > World declined from its early years. Their kits are still pretty good, > > > although I heard one once described as "best suited as a boat anchor".) > > > I will get the magazines into the office later in the week for scanning. > > > I have to use a colleague's scanner for this, so let me know if any of > > > these articles are of particular interest, and I shall give them > > > priority. I would also appreciate guidance on how best to upload the > > > files - I believe that we have some OCR software at work, so I shall try > > > to create .PDF files if I can. > > > > > > John Walker, feeling less guilty now that I am back on topic . > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > To maintain your account please go here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Feb 20 20:29:07 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 02:29:07 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Belt drive/ Gear drive References: <3E551B69.2090600@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <002e01c2d910$e9cfa980$8f2b3b50@PcComunero> Message-ID: <000e01c2d916$56f50000$d6299bca@smarzuki> Hi Javier, You're right about deck models using rubber idler vs gear drive (you didn't mean belt drive vs direct drive right ? =). Only newer naks with Sankyo mechanism have that gear vs rubber idler controversy. Old Naks use what Stephen called "real Nak transport" with large rugged mechanism and only need its idler rubber replaced maybe once in a decade. That's why there's no gear upgrade for them. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: JGascon To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 1:50 AM Subject: [naktalk] Belt drive/ Gear drive Hi all, one question: Does the ZX-7 have gear drive or belt drive?. If I´m not wrong, the decks with the belt drive are: BX1, BX2, BX100, BX125, BX300, CR5, CR7, MR1, MR2 and RX202. Is there any other deck that could need the gear modification? Thansk. Javier. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Walker" To: naktalk at naks.com From sandorpistike at hotmail.com Thu Feb 20 20:23:22 2003 From: sandorpistike at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?S=E1ndor_Istv=E1n?=) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 20:23:22 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 illness References: <000901c2d915$30bc90c0$d6299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: Hello Salim, Thank you for your quick answer :-)! I CAN hear that buzzing in my headphones... Shall I start it with the dolby circuit? I usually do not use dolby, but does it cause this problem, even if dolby is switched off? Can I find anywhere what sort of capacitors must I replace? Or is there any indication on the "orange caps" regarding voltage and capacity? Do you have any recommendation what is the most long-living type of capacitors? (Sorry for being dumb, I must go for a sleep now...) István ----- Original Message ----- From: Salim Marzuki To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 8:20 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 illness Hi Istvan, Most likely it is orange related, as I've seen a deck with wild meter even without a tape inside and solved after "regular housecleaning" of orange caps. However if you can not hear the buzzing noise on your speaker then probably the meter circuit ? Anyway it won't hurt to get rid of those caps, so why don't you start from around dolby pb amp's caps. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Sándor István To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 1:48 AM Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 illness Hello Naktalkers, I am ashamed of writing to you only if I have a problem, but mostly I cannot help you in any way, being not an expert of this field. For me this forum is mainly to get some knowledge about Naks, hoping you can provide some useful hints. Here is the exact problem of my ZX7: I switch it on with a blank cassette, or without any cassette in PLAY mode. This time there is a silent buzzing noise from the left channel. It is only -30dB (this is the second segment of the output-scale), but of course noticable. Did any of yours have such a problem earlier? Can it be orange-cap disease? Of course I would be very happy to keep my deck(s) in top shape, any help is highly appreciated. Thank you in advance. Best regards, István -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Feb 20 20:38:41 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 02:38:41 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 illness References: <000901c2d915$30bc90c0$d6299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <001c01c2d917$ac6a0660$d6299bca@smarzuki> Hi Istvan, Please check Kannan's excellent write up with pictures on step by step procedure to replace orange caps. It's on Wouter's site somewhere ... sorry don't have the link handy ! Will forward if you can't find them, I'd also need to catch some sleep - almost 3am here =) Good night, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Sándor István To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 2:23 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 illness Hello Salim, Thank you for your quick answer :-)! I CAN hear that buzzing in my headphones... Shall I start it with the dolby circuit? I usually do not use dolby, but does it cause this problem, even if dolby is switched off? Can I find anywhere what sort of capacitors must I replace? Or is there any indication on the "orange caps" regarding voltage and capacity? Do you have any recommendation what is the most long-living type of capacitors? (Sorry for being dumb, I must go for a sleep now...) István ----- Original Message ----- From: Salim Marzuki To: naktalk at naks.com From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Thu Feb 20 22:00:49 2003 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 22:00:49 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi and tape reviews in Hi-Fi World In-Reply-To: <3E551B69.2090600@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030220215550.00aa8b20@box.tin.it> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Feb 20 22:44:11 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 08:44:11 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] FYI - Maxell Cassettes (Some of the best?) Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201F01@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Marc, I have an TDK MA from 1982. About 2 years ago I wanted to record over some material on it and to my disappointment it has lost some of it's natural clear sound. It's a good thing that Nakamichi have that very useful "bias adj" knob. I have a huge variety of Maxell tapes both in model and age, consistently they are spot on every time. Tom Siomopoulos -----Original Message----- From: Mark Hugo [mailto:Mhugo at sunint.co.za] Sent: Friday, 21 February 2003 2:06 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] FYI - Maxell Cassettes (Some of the best?) Hi Blues, I, like you, have a small cache of new unused high position Maxells. As for the ones I have used, over the last 20 years, I find them to be brilliant, and entirely to my tastes. I will admit that they have their idiosyncracies (such as a small HF rise ) as far as the XLII-S and MX-S are concerned, but I happen to like that. I also have found them to hard wearing over the years. The XLII-S was the first tape type that I ever had a totally "wow!" experience with. And after all these years, it still does. It's the tape that got me excited about taping. The build quality, smoothness of mechanism and the binders used either for the black magnetite or metal alloy particles can not be faulted. Considering what has been said over the last few weeks regarding the vintage of the cassettes - i.e. the older ones were better etc. does not apply to Maxell. Perhaps to an extent it might apply to Maxell XLII which is a tape I don't know as quite as well as the other two. On TDK, I have no old MAs, only newer ones. I like them - they are invariably from the Far East in one guise or another. I have old and new SA-Xs and they are both first rate, but not quite as emotive or as durable as XLII-S. I have some old SAs and they I find so-so, but at least durable. They are not in the same class as my old UD-XLII. Not even close. The new SAs need careful handling when recording, but are not worth the trouble if I have a choice. Certainly not over an XLII or Sony UX. I'd certainly prefer a BASF CE to a TDK SA!!! Incidentally, I was looking at some old Maxell LN (type 1s) a few days ago, and they were made in R. Korea. That's 1977 guys!! Obviously Hitachi Maxell was looking off-shore for manufacturing savings as early as that. Naturally, that was an entry level tape. Thanks, Marc >>> blueswapper at angelfire.com 02/20/03 03:08AM >>> I'd like comments on those who prefer Maxell cassettes used in Nak decks. Pro or con viewpoints welcome. I'm using XLIIS and MX-S cassettes currently, and I really feel comfortable using these because of the superior high bias tape together with a structurally superior (precise and rigid materials used) cassette case and mechanism. Oh, if some of you are interested and in the market for some reduced prices on Maxell XLII cassettes, have a look at ebay.com. Search under "maxell + cassette". I'm seeing a stack of XLII sealed cassettes (was that 48 total?) starting at a price of under $10 USD? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dllViewItem&item=2509532569&category=1600 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dllViewItem&item=3008439629&category=4784 Best regards, Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper ____________________________________________________________ Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From croquetgod at yahoo.com Thu Feb 20 23:36:13 2003 From: croquetgod at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jens-M.=20Arndt?=) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 23:36:13 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] RX505 and TDK SA tapes Message-ID: <20030220223613.74892.qmail@web13506.mail.yahoo.com> my rx505 has finally arrived in excellent condition. actually I have to admit that it is almost impossible for me to tell the difference between original (cd: cassandra wilson: blue light 'til dawn) and tape even with the standard 1.19 euro TDK SA 90 from luxembourg! I guess I am simply not audiophile enough... Anyhow thanks to all naktalkers for their kind assistance sofar. Jens ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei http://premiummail.yahoo.de From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Feb 21 00:25:58 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 23:25:58 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] FYI - Maxell Cassettes (Some of the best?) In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201F01@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <000901c2d937$6c9dba20$5b8b4c51@oemcomputer> Tom You're making me want to sell my stock of TDK SA, SAX and MA and replace it with Maxell's and Emtec! Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Thomas Siomopoulos > Sent: 20 February 2003 21:44 > To: 'naktalk at naks.com' > Subject: RE: [naktalk] FYI - Maxell Cassettes (Some of the best?) > > > Hi Marc, > > I have an TDK MA from 1982. About 2 years ago I wanted to record > over some material on it and to my disappointment it has lost some of it's > natural clear sound. It's a good thing that Nakamichi have that > very useful > "bias adj" knob. I have a huge variety of Maxell tapes both in model and > age, consistently they are spot on every time. > > Tom Siomopoulos > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.455 / Virus Database: 255 - Release Date: 13/02/03 From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Fri Feb 21 01:30:02 2003 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 01:30:02 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Alan Parsons cassette In-Reply-To: <001201c2d511$c5452ac0$1266893e@oemcomputer> References: <00c201c2d50f$d090ee20$3b106343@johnnyrotten> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030221012240.00a9e6f0@box.tin.it> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Fri Feb 21 03:13:19 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 13:13:19 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] FYI - Maxell Cassettes (Some of the best?) Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201F08@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> No worries Gra', just send the TDK my way ;) Overall the TDK is still a great cassette. The case of the MA tape in question was that it may not have been stored correctly (high humidity etc), because I own another one of these tapes (82 vintage) and no problem. I've even tried my MA-R's and perfect every time, bloody should be too - paid a fortune for these things back in the 80s! Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Graham Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Friday, 21 February 2003 10:26 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] FYI - Maxell Cassettes (Some of the best?) Tom You're making me want to sell my stock of TDK SA, SAX and MA and replace it with Maxell's and Emtec! Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Thomas Siomopoulos > Sent: 20 February 2003 21:44 > To: 'naktalk at naks.com' > Subject: RE: [naktalk] FYI - Maxell Cassettes (Some of the best?) > > > Hi Marc, > > I have an TDK MA from 1982. About 2 years ago I wanted to record > over some material on it and to my disappointment it has lost some of it's > natural clear sound. It's a good thing that Nakamichi have that > very useful > "bias adj" knob. I have a huge variety of Maxell tapes both in model and > age, consistently they are spot on every time. > > Tom Siomopoulos > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.455 / Virus Database: 255 - Release Date: 13/02/03 ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From rjkent at attbi.com Fri Feb 21 04:03:10 2003 From: rjkent at attbi.com (Robert Kent) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 19:03:10 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A Remote Message-ID: To any of you tech experts: I recently acquired an RM-7C infrared Remote for my CR-7A. The remote is apparently putting out signal, but with no signal response indication or function change in the player. The questions are: 1. Is there a likely culpret here, and are there any simple tests to determine the problem? 2. I noticed there is a large flat lithium battery on the circuit board of the player, but I cannot find it in the schematics or the owner's manual, and I'm wondering what it is for, and is it user changeable. It seems pretty solidly captured, and I don't want to break anything trying to get it out. 3. Could this battery have anything to do with the remote sensing circuitry? Robert J Kent From John at jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk Fri Feb 21 05:21:43 2003 From: John at jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 04:21:43 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi and tape reviews in Hi-Fi World References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030220215550.00aa8b20@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <3E55A957.8020702@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Ezio I have the software to create .PDF files, and I intend to do that conversion myself. I asked : "will .PDF files be acceptable?". John Ezio wrote: > John, the TIFF format it's a RAW format and then it's is carrying ALL > the informations = the redundant or nearly reduntant ... you MUST use > a compressed format ... i.e. JPG ... this is the first step to save > bandwidth = space . > The second it is to reduce resolution ... you don't need anything more > than 100 dpi ... and a A4 (Letter for US ) will be anyway 1 or 2 MB > .... too much anyhow ... > > You are right you need an OCR and I am looking for it if you will > accept a gift ... > Then you need Acrobat 5.0 (not the reader ! but the real Acrobat ) to > make pdf documents = multipages + hypertextual > Have you got it ? > Alternatively ... I can provide an FTP server ... you upload the pages > to my FTP server ... and I will work them out from TIFF to > hypertextual pdf . > > Please let me know > > Ezio > > At 06:16 PM 2/20/03 +0000, you wrote: > >> Kent, everyone else >> I have started scanning, but I am currently producing large .TIFF >> files for each page, and I have not yet worked out how to get the >> file-size down. I am trying to locate some OCR software at work, and >> I know that we can publish in Acrobat .PDF format. Is that be current >> best practice? >> >> John Walker >> >> Kent Merideth wrote: >> >>> John, >>> >>> All of the reviews are of interest to me, but primarily the tapes tests. >>> >>> Kent >>> >>> >>> >>> John at jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk 02/16/03 01:18PM >>> >>> Further to my last post, I have found the following reviews in Hi-Fi >>> World: >>> >>> Aug 91 Tape test - Maxell SX-II vs TDK SF (? never heard of >>> that one!) >>> Jan 92 Nakamichi Cassette Deck 1.5 >>> Aug 92 Nakamichi CR-7E (consistently better than a DAT recorder in >>> the test!) >>> Nov 92 Tape test - TDK SF, SA, SA-X, MA >>> Mar 93 Nakamichi DR-2 and DR-3 >>> May 93 Tape test - Maxell UR, SX I, SX II, ,MX >>> Jun 93 Nakamichi DR-1 >>> Feb 94 Nakamichi DR-2 vs Sony TC-K611S vs Yamaha KX-650 (the Nak >>> won, but it was close!) >>> Aug 94 Tape test - metal tapes, including Sony Metal Master and TDK >>> MA-XG >>> Dec 99 Nakamichi Soundspace 8 ("SoundSpace probably isn't hi-fi as >>> we know it..." >>> >>> I guess that list charts the last days of cassette, and of Nakamichi to >>> some extent too. (Looking through the magazines also shows how Hi-Fi >>> World declined from its early years. Their kits are still pretty good, >>> although I heard one once described as "best suited as a boat anchor".) >>> I will get the magazines into the office later in the week for scanning. >>> I have to use a colleague's scanner for this, so let me know if any of >>> these articles are of particular interest, and I shall give them >>> priority. I would also appreciate guidance on how best to upload the >>> files - I believe that we have some OCR software at work, so I shall try >>> to create .PDF files if I can. >>> >>> John Walker, feeling less guilty now that I am back on topic . >>> >>> >>> ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> To maintain your account please go here: >>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >> >> ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> To maintain your account please go here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Sincerely > > Ezio Lucenti > > Ezio's e-photography site _http://www.lucenti.com_ > _ > > My pages about digital photography > _========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Fri Feb 21 05:53:06 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 15:53:06 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A Remote Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201F09@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Robert. Here is my two cents worth. From my fuzzy memory, the battery in the deck is used to keep previous calibrated settings into memory when the power has been disconnected. So to answer your question if the battery has anything to do with the remote, I doubt it. If you want to test your remote to see if there is a signal, try the following (this may sound crazy/stupid but it works). 1st - take your remote and go to a ordinary cheapo AM radio, move the tuning dial until you get to no station (nothing but static), with fresh batteries start pressing the buttons one at a time and listen to the static, you should hear a faint pulsating noise from the speaker. If this does not work then try step number two. Grab a video camera, connect it to your TV so that you can see a live image coming from the camera, dim or turn off the lights in the room, grab a known working remote and point it to the camera's lens, press the buttons one at a time and you will see the infra red signal coming from the remote on your TV screen (quite mesmerizing actually). This is to test whether the camera can pick up the infra-red light emitting from the remote, if you can see it - good. Now grab your Nakamichi remote and do the same, if it works you should see a similar pulsating light. I know this sounds crazy but without proper test gear that was the only way I could test remote controls. Now it's time for my medicine and a little nap. Tom Siomopoulos -----Original Message----- From: Robert Kent [mailto:rjkent at attbi.com] Sent: Friday, 21 February 2003 2:03 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A Remote To any of you tech experts: I recently acquired an RM-7C infrared Remote for my CR-7A. The remote is apparently putting out signal, but with no signal response indication or function change in the player. The questions are: 1. Is there a likely culpret here, and are there any simple tests to determine the problem? 2. I noticed there is a large flat lithium battery on the circuit board of the player, but I cannot find it in the schematics or the owner's manual, and I'm wondering what it is for, and is it user changeable. It seems pretty solidly captured, and I don't want to break anything trying to get it out. 3. Could this battery have anything to do with the remote sensing circuitry? Robert J Kent ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Feb 21 06:43:57 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 07:43:57 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Alan Parsons cassette: Message-ID: Thanks Ezio, I'm waiting with baited breath!! Cheers, Marc >>> ezio_lucenti at tin.it 02/21/03 02:30AM >>> The cassette is here in Venice ... today I will duplicate .... (wondering what ! :-O))) .... ) and ship tomorrow by express delivery to Marc. At 04:46 PM 2/15/03 +0000, you wrote: European leg is on its way - rec'd the cassette from Bleus yesterday evening and it's already on its way to Ezio .... Gra' > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.455 / Virus Database: 255 - Release Date: 13/02/03 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site http://www.lucenti.com My pages about digital photography ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From roleo at telus.net Fri Feb 21 06:44:06 2003 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 21:44:06 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A Remote References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201F09@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <008b01c2d96c$3fe3e330$8075059a@desktop> Tom's right. I've tried the video test and it works! I have used a video camera and looked through the built in monitor and it worked. Don't have to hook it up to a TV necessarily. If you have a digital camera with a display at the back that will also do the trick. You should see two small lights side by side. The infra red rays which are invisible to our direct vision. --Roland ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" To: Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 8:53 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7A Remote > Hi Robert. > > Here is my two cents worth. From my fuzzy memory, the battery in the > deck is used to keep previous calibrated settings into memory when the power > has been disconnected. So to answer your question if the battery has > anything to do with the remote, I doubt it. If you want to test your remote > to see if there is a signal, try the following (this may sound crazy/stupid > but it works). 1st - take your remote and go to a ordinary cheapo AM radio, > move the tuning dial until you get to no station (nothing but static), with > fresh batteries start pressing the buttons one at a time and listen to the > static, you should hear a faint pulsating noise from the speaker. If this > does not work then try step number two. Grab a video camera, connect it to > your TV so that you can see a live image coming from the camera, dim or turn > off the lights in the room, grab a known working remote and point it to the > camera's lens, press the buttons one at a time and you will see the infra > red signal coming from the remote on your TV screen (quite mesmerizing > actually). This is to test whether the camera can pick up the infra-red > light emitting from the remote, if you can see it - good. Now grab your > Nakamichi remote and do the same, if it works you should see a similar > pulsating light. I know this sounds crazy but without proper test gear that > was the only way I could test remote controls. > > Now it's time for my medicine and a little nap. > > Tom Siomopoulos > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Kent [mailto:rjkent at attbi.com] > Sent: Friday, 21 February 2003 2:03 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A Remote > > > To any of you tech experts: > > I recently acquired an RM-7C infrared Remote for my CR-7A. The remote is > apparently putting out signal, but with no signal response indication or > function change in the player. The questions are: > > 1. Is there a likely culpret here, and are there any simple tests to > determine the problem? > > 2. I noticed there is a large flat lithium battery on the circuit board of > the player, but I cannot find it in the schematics or the owner's manual, > and I'm wondering what it is for, and is it user changeable. It seems > pretty solidly captured, and I don't want to break anything trying to get it > out. > > 3. Could this battery have anything to do with the remote sensing circuitry? > > Robert J Kent > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Feb 21 06:50:05 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 07:50:05 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] RX505 and TDK SA tapes Message-ID: Hi Jens, I am really delighted to hear this. And I'm sure your ears are just fine!! Just learning from Georges experience however, possibly European TDKs are prone to sample inconsistencies. Regards, Marc >>> croquetgod at yahoo.com 02/21/03 12:36AM >>> my rx505 has finally arrived in excellent condition. actually I have to admit that it is almost impossible for me to tell the difference between original (cd: cassandra wilson: blue light 'til dawn) and tape even with the standard 1.19 euro TDK SA 90 from luxembourg! I guess I am simply not audiophile enough... Anyhow thanks to all naktalkers for their kind assistance sofar. Jens ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! 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All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Fri Feb 21 07:21:03 2003 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 07:21:03 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi and tape reviews in Hi-Fi World In-Reply-To: <3E55A957.8020702@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030220215550.00aa8b20@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030221071933.00a93c50@box.tin.it> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Fri Feb 21 08:33:20 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 18:33:20 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] RX505 and TDK SA tapes Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201F0D@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Jens. I have the same model and no matter what tape I put in it, it will produce jaw dropping recordings. I'm not suprised that you found the same result. Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Jens-M. Arndt [mailto:croquetgod at yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, 21 February 2003 9:36 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] RX505 and TDK SA tapes my rx505 has finally arrived in excellent condition. actually I have to admit that it is almost impossible for me to tell the difference between original (cd: cassandra wilson: blue light 'til dawn) and tape even with the standard 1.19 euro TDK SA 90 from luxembourg! I guess I am simply not audiophile enough... Anyhow thanks to all naktalkers for their kind assistance sofar. Jens ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei http://premiummail.yahoo.de ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Fri Feb 21 08:35:50 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 18:35:50 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A Remote Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201F0F@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Thanks Roland, I knew I was not going crazy :) -----Original Message----- From: Roland Alford [mailto:roleo at telus.net] Sent: Friday, 21 February 2003 4:44 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7A Remote Tom's right. I've tried the video test and it works! I have used a video camera and looked through the built in monitor and it worked. Don't have to hook it up to a TV necessarily. If you have a digital camera with a display at the back that will also do the trick. You should see two small lights side by side. The infra red rays which are invisible to our direct vision. --Roland ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" To: Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 8:53 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7A Remote > Hi Robert. > > Here is my two cents worth. From my fuzzy memory, the battery in the > deck is used to keep previous calibrated settings into memory when the power > has been disconnected. So to answer your question if the battery has > anything to do with the remote, I doubt it. If you want to test your remote > to see if there is a signal, try the following (this may sound crazy/stupid > but it works). 1st - take your remote and go to a ordinary cheapo AM radio, > move the tuning dial until you get to no station (nothing but static), with > fresh batteries start pressing the buttons one at a time and listen to the > static, you should hear a faint pulsating noise from the speaker. If this > does not work then try step number two. Grab a video camera, connect it to > your TV so that you can see a live image coming from the camera, dim or turn > off the lights in the room, grab a known working remote and point it to the > camera's lens, press the buttons one at a time and you will see the infra > red signal coming from the remote on your TV screen (quite mesmerizing > actually). This is to test whether the camera can pick up the infra-red > light emitting from the remote, if you can see it - good. Now grab your > Nakamichi remote and do the same, if it works you should see a similar > pulsating light. I know this sounds crazy but without proper test gear that > was the only way I could test remote controls. > > Now it's time for my medicine and a little nap. > > Tom Siomopoulos > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Kent [mailto:rjkent at attbi.com] > Sent: Friday, 21 February 2003 2:03 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A Remote > > > To any of you tech experts: > > I recently acquired an RM-7C infrared Remote for my CR-7A. The remote is > apparently putting out signal, but with no signal response indication or > function change in the player. The questions are: > > 1. Is there a likely culpret here, and are there any simple tests to > determine the problem? > > 2. I noticed there is a large flat lithium battery on the circuit board of > the player, but I cannot find it in the schematics or the owner's manual, > and I'm wondering what it is for, and is it user changeable. It seems > pretty solidly captured, and I don't want to break anything trying to get it > out. > > 3. Could this battery have anything to do with the remote sensing circuitry? > > Robert J Kent > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Fri Feb 21 09:07:51 2003 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 09:07:51 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Celebrations ! Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030221090317.00a9aec0@box.tin.it> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sandorpistike at hotmail.com Fri Feb 21 12:24:52 2003 From: sandorpistike at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?S=E1ndor_Istv=E1n?=) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 12:24:52 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 illness References: <000901c2d915$30bc90c0$d6299bca@smarzuki> <001c01c2d917$ac6a0660$d6299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: Hello Salim, is the support.naks.com/support page of Wouter's? I could not find any reference to orange caps here. Maybe I skipped it somewhere? Or: If Wouter's site is an other site, please let me know about it. It is not urgent, do not hurry... I am still afraid of dismantling the electronics of my belowed "queen"... Thank you! István ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 8:38 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 illness > > Hi Istvan, > > Please check Kannan's excellent write up with pictures on step by step > procedure to replace orange caps. It's on Wouter's site somewhere ... sorry > don't have the link handy ! Will forward if you can't find them, I'd also > need to catch some sleep - almost 3am here =) > > Good night, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sándor István > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 2:23 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 illness > > > Hello Salim, > Thank you for your quick answer :-)! > I CAN hear that buzzing in my headphones... > Shall I start it with the dolby circuit? I usually do not use dolby, but > does it cause this problem, even if dolby is switched off? > > Can I find anywhere what sort of capacitors must I replace? Or is there any > indication on the "orange caps" regarding voltage and capacity? > Do you have any recommendation what is the most long-living type of > capacitors? > > (Sorry for being dumb, I must go for a sleep now...) > > István > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Salim Marzuki > To: naktalk at naks.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > From bgdickel at paradise.net.nz Fri Feb 21 12:28:09 2003 From: bgdickel at paradise.net.nz (Brett Dickel) Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 00:28:09 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A Remote In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201F0F@mis-exchange.neca .nec.com.au> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030222002614.0353ccf0@pop3.paradise.net.nz> Hi all, If the battery in the deck was flat (or faulty) could that affect the calibration process (ir stop it from occurring properly?) Brett At 18:35 21/02/03 +1100, you wrote: >Thanks Roland, I knew I was not going crazy :) > >-----Original Message----- >From: Roland Alford [mailto:roleo at telus.net] >Sent: Friday, 21 February 2003 4:44 >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7A Remote > > >Tom's right. I've tried the video test and it works! I have used a video >camera and looked through the built in monitor and it worked. Don't have to >hook it up to a TV necessarily. > >If you have a digital camera with a display at the back that will also do >the trick. You should see two small lights side by side. The infra red >rays which are invisible to our direct vision. > >--Roland > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" >To: >Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 8:53 PM >Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7A Remote > > > > Hi Robert. > > > > Here is my two cents worth. From my fuzzy memory, the battery in the > > deck is used to keep previous calibrated settings into memory when the >power > > has been disconnected. So to answer your question if the battery has > > anything to do with the remote, I doubt it. If you want to test your >remote > > to see if there is a signal, try the following (this may sound >crazy/stupid > > but it works). 1st - take your remote and go to a ordinary cheapo AM >radio, > > move the tuning dial until you get to no station (nothing but static), >with > > fresh batteries start pressing the buttons one at a time and listen to the > > static, you should hear a faint pulsating noise from the speaker. If this > > does not work then try step number two. Grab a video camera, connect it to > > your TV so that you can see a live image coming from the camera, dim or >turn > > off the lights in the room, grab a known working remote and point it to >the > > camera's lens, press the buttons one at a time and you will see the infra > > red signal coming from the remote on your TV screen (quite mesmerizing > > actually). This is to test whether the camera can pick up the infra-red > > light emitting from the remote, if you can see it - good. Now grab your > > Nakamichi remote and do the same, if it works you should see a similar > > pulsating light. I know this sounds crazy but without proper test gear >that > > was the only way I could test remote controls. > > > > Now it's time for my medicine and a little nap. > > > > Tom Siomopoulos > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Robert Kent [mailto:rjkent at attbi.com] > > Sent: Friday, 21 February 2003 2:03 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A Remote > > > > > > To any of you tech experts: > > > > I recently acquired an RM-7C infrared Remote for my CR-7A. The remote is > > apparently putting out signal, but with no signal response indication or > > function change in the player. The questions are: > > > > 1. Is there a likely culpret here, and are there any simple tests to > > determine the problem? > > > > 2. I noticed there is a large flat lithium battery on the circuit board of > > the player, but I cannot find it in the schematics or the owner's manual, > > and I'm wondering what it is for, and is it user changeable. It seems > > pretty solidly captured, and I don't want to break anything trying to get >it > > out. > > > > 3. Could this battery have anything to do with the remote sensing >circuitry? > > > > Robert J Kent > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= bgdickel at paradise.net.nz http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/bgdickel/brett.htm From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Feb 21 15:09:34 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 09:09:34 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A Remote References: Message-ID: <3E56331E.20CA56B4@rcn.com> Robert Kent wrote: > > To any of you tech experts: > > I recently acquired an RM-7C infrared Remote for my CR-7A. The remote is > apparently putting out signal, but with no signal response indication or > function change in the player. The questions are: > > 1. Is there a likely culpret here, and are there any simple tests to > determine the problem? You need to isolate the problem to one of three areas: 1. Remote not sending 2. CR-7 not receiving. 3. CR-7 reception OK, but control circuit faulty. To test case #1, you may use the video camera trick suggested by Tom and Roland. Personally, I try to 'teach' one of the RUT (remote you are testing) to a UR (universal remote). The UR tells me whether the RUT is sending a viable signal. (If not, recheck the battery connections and try again :-) ). To test case #3, take a short piece of bare wire and carefully (I mean, CAREFULLY) short pins on the wired remote DIN socket. From the CR-7 schematic, shorting pin 7 (ground): To pin 6 should REC. To pin 1 should STOP. To pin 4 should FF. To pin 2 should PAUSE. To pin 5 should REW. To pin 3 should PLAY. Do be careful. Pin 8 (center pin) carries +12V and should NEVER be shorted to anything. If both tests above are successful, the fault lies within either the deck Receiver PCB or the Remote Control PCB. To diagnose further, you need to open up the deck and probe with a 'scope. Good luck, -- Ron > > 2. I noticed there is a large flat lithium battery on the circuit board of > the player, but I cannot find it in the schematics or the owner's manual, > and I'm wondering what it is for, and is it user changeable. It seems > pretty solidly captured, and I don't want to break anything trying to get it > out. > > 3. Could this battery have anything to do with the remote sensing circuitry? > > Robert J Kent From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Feb 21 15:13:56 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 09:13:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Alan Parsons cassette - US References: <00c201c2d50f$d090ee20$3b106343@johnnyrotten> <5.1.0.14.2.20030221012240.00a9e6f0@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <3E563424.56848E7F@rcn.com> Received the cassette Wednesday. Was going to forward it to John Tooley yesterday, but my back acted up again (shoveling snow will do that to you), so it will go out later today. -- Ron From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Feb 21 15:16:55 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 09:16:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A Remote References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030222002614.0353ccf0@pop3.paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <3E5634D7.715D06C2@rcn.com> Forgot to mention this in my previous reply... The battery retains some settings (unfortunately, not all) in memory. It does not affect anything when the deck is powered. IOW, it couldn't cause a remote problem. -- Ron Brett Dickel wrote: > > Hi all, > If the battery in the deck was flat (or faulty) could that affect the > calibration process (ir stop it from occurring properly?) > > Brett > > At 18:35 21/02/03 +1100, you wrote: > > >Thanks Roland, I knew I was not going crazy :) > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Roland Alford [mailto:roleo at telus.net] > >Sent: Friday, 21 February 2003 4:44 > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7A Remote > > > > > >Tom's right. I've tried the video test and it works! I have used a video > >camera and looked through the built in monitor and it worked. Don't have to > >hook it up to a TV necessarily. > > > >If you have a digital camera with a display at the back that will also do > >the trick. You should see two small lights side by side. The infra red > >rays which are invisible to our direct vision. > > > >--Roland > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" > >To: > >Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 8:53 PM > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7A Remote > > > > > > > Hi Robert. > > > > > > Here is my two cents worth. From my fuzzy memory, the battery in the > > > deck is used to keep previous calibrated settings into memory when the > >power > > > has been disconnected. So to answer your question if the battery has > > > anything to do with the remote, I doubt it. If you want to test your > >remote > > > to see if there is a signal, try the following (this may sound > >crazy/stupid > > > but it works). 1st - take your remote and go to a ordinary cheapo AM > >radio, > > > move the tuning dial until you get to no station (nothing but static), > >with > > > fresh batteries start pressing the buttons one at a time and listen to the > > > static, you should hear a faint pulsating noise from the speaker. If this > > > does not work then try step number two. Grab a video camera, connect it to > > > your TV so that you can see a live image coming from the camera, dim or > >turn > > > off the lights in the room, grab a known working remote and point it to > >the > > > camera's lens, press the buttons one at a time and you will see the infra > > > red signal coming from the remote on your TV screen (quite mesmerizing > > > actually). This is to test whether the camera can pick up the infra-red > > > light emitting from the remote, if you can see it - good. Now grab your > > > Nakamichi remote and do the same, if it works you should see a similar > > > pulsating light. I know this sounds crazy but without proper test gear > >that > > > was the only way I could test remote controls. > > > > > > Now it's time for my medicine and a little nap. > > > > > > Tom Siomopoulos > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Robert Kent [mailto:rjkent at attbi.com] > > > Sent: Friday, 21 February 2003 2:03 > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A Remote > > > > > > > > > To any of you tech experts: > > > > > > I recently acquired an RM-7C infrared Remote for my CR-7A. The remote is > > > apparently putting out signal, but with no signal response indication or > > > function change in the player. The questions are: > > > > > > 1. Is there a likely culpret here, and are there any simple tests to > > > determine the problem? > > > > > > 2. I noticed there is a large flat lithium battery on the circuit board of > > > the player, but I cannot find it in the schematics or the owner's manual, > > > and I'm wondering what it is for, and is it user changeable. It seems > > > pretty solidly captured, and I don't want to break anything trying to get > >it > > > out. > > > > > > 3. Could this battery have anything to do with the remote sensing > >circuitry? > > > > > > Robert J Kent > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > To maintain your account please go here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== > >======= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > To maintain your account please go here: > >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== > >======= > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== > >======= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >To maintain your account please go here: > >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== > >======= > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >To maintain your account please go here: > >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > bgdickel at paradise.net.nz > http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/bgdickel/brett.htm From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Feb 21 15:58:57 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 21:58:57 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 illness References: <000901c2d915$30bc90c0$d6299bca@smarzuki> <001c01c2d917$ac6a0660$d6299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <004a01c2d9b9$c31055c0$67299bca@smarzuki> Ah, here it is: http://support.naks.com/orange/ there's no password required ? Just wait for the picture to load up, it takes awhile. Please read and see if your queen likes her inside to be messed up =) Be careful if this is your first project ... I lift a lot of worthy traces even until now :-( Javier, thanks for the mail. I opened your attachment using Word but the picture got lost ? Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Sándor István To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 6:24 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 illness Hello Salim, is the support.naks.com/support page of Wouter's? I could not find any reference to orange caps here. Maybe I skipped it somewhere? Or: If Wouter's site is an other site, please let me know about it. It is not urgent, do not hurry... I am still afraid of dismantling the electronics of my belowed "queen"... Thank you! István ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 8:38 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 illness > > Hi Istvan, > > Please check Kannan's excellent write up with pictures on step by step > procedure to replace orange caps. It's on Wouter's site somewhere ... sorry > don't have the link handy ! Will forward if you can't find them, I'd also > need to catch some sleep - almost 3am here =) > > Good night, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sándor István > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 2:23 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 illness > > > Hello Salim, > Thank you for your quick answer :-)! > I CAN hear that buzzing in my headphones... > Shall I start it with the dolby circuit? I usually do not use dolby, but > does it cause this problem, even if dolby is switched off? > > Can I find anywhere what sort of capacitors must I replace? Or is there any > indication on the "orange caps" regarding voltage and capacity? > Do you have any recommendation what is the most long-living type of > capacitors? > > (Sorry for being dumb, I must go for a sleep now...) > > István > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Salim Marzuki > To: naktalk at naks.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From jmtooley at ce.net Fri Feb 21 16:38:32 2003 From: jmtooley at ce.net (jmtooley at ce.net) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 10:38:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Alan Parsons cassette - US In-Reply-To: <3E563424.56848E7F@rcn.com> References: <00c201c2d50f$d090ee20$3b106343@johnnyrotten> <5.1.0.14.2.20030221012240.00a9e6f0@box.tin.it> <3E563424.56848E7F@rcn.com> Message-ID: <1045841911.3e5647f803497@mail.ce.net> That's no excuse! Let's get on it! ;-) John T. Quoting Ron : > > Received the cassette Wednesday. Was going to forward it to > John Tooley yesterday, but my back acted up again (shoveling > snow will do that to you), so it will go out later today. > > -- Ron > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ ========= > > From jmtooley at ce.net Fri Feb 21 17:13:39 2003 From: jmtooley at ce.net (jmtooley at ce.net) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 11:13:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Celebrations ! In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030221090317.00a9aec0@box.tin.it> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030221090317.00a9aec0@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <1045844019.3e56503364e28@mail.ce.net> After ordering 30 from Tape City I haven't heard anything, not even a response to another email. What did you pay in Pounds for a C90 and was shipping expensive? John T. Quoting Ezio : > > Today I have received the 50 MA-XG ordered 1 week ago to Pricebusters - > London ... Pricebusters are quite efficient and professional. > > > To celebrate the event I give 1 MA-XG 90 to the Marathon .... I will > record the first piece and then I will forward to Mark together with the > Marathon cassette (Alan Parson Projects) > > > Please Bleus , can you take the lead and try to manage a new Marathon > tape starting from me/Mark (SA) and back ? > > > > Sincerely > > > Ezio Lucenti > > > Ezio's e-photography site > http://www.lucenti.com > > > My pages about digital photography > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ ========= > > From jmtooley at ce.net Fri Feb 21 17:17:41 2003 From: jmtooley at ce.net (jmtooley at ce.net) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 11:17:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A Remote In-Reply-To: <3E56331E.20CA56B4@rcn.com> References: <3E56331E.20CA56B4@rcn.com> Message-ID: <1045844261.3e56512514558@mail.ce.net> Question for all Naktalkers. Will a RM-200 Remote work with a Nak. ZXL 700? John T. Quoting Ron : > > Robert Kent wrote: > > > > To any of you tech experts: > > > > I recently acquired an RM-7C infrared Remote for my CR-7A. The remote is > > apparently putting out signal, but with no signal response indication or > > function change in the player. The questions are: > > > > 1. Is there a likely culpret here, and are there any simple tests to > > determine the problem? > > You need to isolate the problem to one of three areas: > > 1. Remote not sending > 2. CR-7 not receiving. > 3. CR-7 reception OK, but control circuit faulty. > > To test case #1, you may use the video camera trick > suggested by Tom and Roland. Personally, I try to 'teach' > one of the RUT (remote you are testing) to a UR (universal > remote). The UR tells me whether the RUT is sending a > viable signal. (If not, recheck the battery connections > and try again :-) ). > > To test case #3, take a short piece of bare wire and > carefully (I mean, CAREFULLY) short pins on the wired > remote DIN socket. From the CR-7 schematic, shorting > pin 7 (ground): > > To pin 6 should REC. > To pin 1 should STOP. > To pin 4 should FF. > To pin 2 should PAUSE. > To pin 5 should REW. > To pin 3 should PLAY. > > Do be careful. Pin 8 (center pin) carries +12V and > should NEVER be shorted to anything. > > If both tests above are successful, the fault lies within > either the deck Receiver PCB or the Remote Control PCB. > To diagnose further, you need to open up the deck and > probe with a 'scope. > > Good luck, > > -- Ron > > > > > > 2. I noticed there is a large flat lithium battery on the circuit board > of > > the player, but I cannot find it in the schematics or the owner's manual, > > and I'm wondering what it is for, and is it user changeable. It seems > > pretty solidly captured, and I don't want to break anything trying to get > it > > out. > > > > 3. Could this battery have anything to do with the remote sensing > circuitry? > > > > Robert J Kent > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ ========= > > From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Feb 21 17:43:22 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 23:43:22 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Op amp gain calc question - Ron References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030222002614.0353ccf0@pop3.paradise.net.nz> <3E5634D7.715D06C2@rcn.com> Message-ID: <006c01c2d9c8$9819a7e0$67299bca@smarzuki> Hi Ron, You taught me long time ago the proper way to add op amp to increase output of 0.6V Naks to 1V 'standard'. If i remember correctly I connected Rf/Ri gain of 10x to a 100mV output. It worked really well on 482 (although now I'm confused trying to figure out what I did on that breadboard =). My question is - can we safely alter a given deck's pb amp gain thorugh these Rf Ri ratio ? What limits the gain and what important thing should be considered ? (you mentioned a minimum Rf value of 12K). For example there's this 'hypothetical' deck that outputs 0.775V with Rf of 15K and Ri of 11K at line amp op amp (which made the input about 0.57V, in the case of inverting gain). Can I safely replace the 15K with a 20K resistor to bring the output to 1V ? What's the worst thing that can happen ... ? Quite afraid to do blind experiment as this is one rare hypothetical deck =) =) Sorry if this should be out of naktalk - Nak's op amp tweaking used to be an interesting topic. Thanks in advance, Salim SM PS: as if to prove my previous email, ZXL's left meter shot up again yesterday ... turned out to be a faulty 4560 in meter circuit. From vvinodk at hotmail.com Fri Feb 21 18:00:39 2003 From: vvinodk at hotmail.com (Vinod Kumar) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 17:00:39 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Celebrations ! Message-ID: I ordered 10 TDK MA-XG tapes from Tape City. I got a response saying that the tapes will be shipped on Feb 19,2003. Haven't received any email regarding the tracking of the shipment. Vinod >From: jmtooley at ce.net >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Celebrations ! >Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 11:13:39 -0500 > >After ordering 30 from Tape City I haven't heard anything, not even a >response >to another email. What did you pay in Pounds for a C90 and was shipping >expensive? > >John T. > >Quoting Ezio : > > > > > Today I have received the 50 MA-XG ordered 1 week ago to Pricebusters - > > London ... Pricebusters are quite efficient and professional. > > > > > > To celebrate the event I give 1 MA-XG 90 to the Marathon .... I will > > record the first piece and then I will forward to Mark together with the > > Marathon cassette (Alan Parson Projects) > > > > > > Please Bleus , can you take the lead and try to manage a new Marathon > > tape starting from me/Mark (SA) and back ? > > > > > > > > Sincerely > > > > > > Ezio Lucenti > > > > > > Ezio's e-photography site > > http://www.lucenti.com > > > > > > My pages about digital photography > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------ >========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------ >========= > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From khmerideth at anderson.edu Fri Feb 21 18:13:21 2003 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 12:13:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Celebrations ! Message-ID: John T., Have not received any confirmation or followup concerning shipping method. We may have been victim of "flaky" web site. They mentioned the possibility of this on their web page: http://www.tapecity.co.uk/cgi-bin/os000001.pl. Don't think I want to try phoning them. May just be out of luck with this one. Oh well, seemed like worth a try. Kent M. >>> jmtooley at ce.net 02/21/03 11:13AM >>> After ordering 30 from Tape City I haven't heard anything, not even a response to another email. What did you pay in Pounds for a C90 and was shipping expensive? John T. Quoting Ezio : > > Today I have received the 50 MA-XG ordered 1 week ago to Pricebusters - > London ... Pricebusters are quite efficient and professional. > > > To celebrate the event I give 1 MA-XG 90 to the Marathon .... I will > record the first piece and then I will forward to Mark together with the > Marathon cassette (Alan Parson Projects) > > > Please Bleus , can you take the lead and try to manage a new Marathon > tape starting from me/Mark (SA) and back ? > > > > Sincerely > > > Ezio Lucenti > > > Ezio's e-photography site > http://www.lucenti.com > > > My pages about digital photography > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ ========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Feb 21 19:08:42 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 13:08:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Op amp gain calc question - Ron References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030222002614.0353ccf0@pop3.paradise.net.nz> <3E5634D7.715D06C2@rcn.com> <006c01c2d9c8$9819a7e0$67299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3E566B2A.9B6680B1@rcn.com> Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Hi Ron, > > You taught me long time ago the proper way to add op amp to increase output > of 0.6V Naks to 1V 'standard'. If i remember correctly I connected Rf/Ri > gain of 10x to a 100mV output. It worked really well on 482 (although now > I'm confused trying to figure out what I did on that breadboard =). In general, for an inverting op-amp circuit, Gain = Rf/Ri and R2 (resistor from non-inverting input to ground) should be: R2 = (Rf * Ri)/(Rf + Ri) = Rf in parallel with Ri. > My question is - can we safely alter a given deck's pb amp gain thorugh > these Rf Ri ratio ? What limits the gain and what important thing should be > considered ? (you mentioned a minimum Rf value of 12K). In general, Rf is NOT limited to 12K. It can even be zero. As long as gain is comparatively low (say, less than 100. It depends on the op-amp) and the amp is specified stable at that gain, you can play with Rf, Ri and R2 to achieve the required result. > For example there's this 'hypothetical' deck that outputs 0.775V with Rf of > 15K and Ri of 11K at line amp op amp (which made the input about 0.57V, in > the case of inverting gain). Can I safely replace the 15K with a 20K > resistor to bring the output to 1V ? What's the worst thing that can happen > ... ? Quite afraid to do blind experiment as this is one rare hypothetical > deck =) =) Yes, you can do that, no problem. At the same time, you may want to change R2 (probably, 6.2K) to 6.8K. But that's only important if the opamp is direct coupled to the next stage. If it's capacitor coupled, the difference is immaterial. > Sorry if this should be out of naktalk - Nak's op amp tweaking used to be an > interesting topic. Actually, we are talking about changes to a Nak deck... However, you can always post to AudioTalk -- I'll answer just as quickly. Regards, -- Ron From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Feb 21 19:58:48 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 01:58:48 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Op amp gain calc question - Ron References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030222002614.0353ccf0@pop3.paradise.net.nz> <3E5634D7.715D06C2@rcn.com> <006c01c2d9c8$9819a7e0$67299bca@smarzuki> <3E566B2A.9B6680B1@rcn.com> Message-ID: <000901c2d9db$44a7ad60$92199bca@smarzuki> Thank you very much Ron, as usual you've been more than helpful ! Strangely there's no R2, the other input of op amp is connected straight to ground. The said op amp is 4559, upgraded to OP275. I'll check the input voltage (at 0dB meter) to measure the actual gain. By the way it's capacitor coupled on the output. If we can adjust the resistors to give higher gain, could you enlighten me what could probably be the designer / engineer's reason to go for a lower output ? Distortion ? In the showroom 1V deck would impress potential buyer more than 'weaker' ones, don't you think ? Another thing on op-amp's stable operation - is it possible that Nak pushed op amps / some of IC to the limits on some model - as I've replaced quite a few 4558/59/60 in level meter and test tone area ? Or could it be that failed caps also drag down related ICs ? Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 1:08 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Op amp gain calc question - Ron Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Hi Ron, > > You taught me long time ago the proper way to add op amp to increase output > of 0.6V Naks to 1V 'standard'. If i remember correctly I connected Rf/Ri > gain of 10x to a 100mV output. It worked really well on 482 (although now > I'm confused trying to figure out what I did on that breadboard =). In general, for an inverting op-amp circuit, Gain = Rf/Ri and R2 (resistor from non-inverting input to ground) should be: R2 = (Rf * Ri)/(Rf + Ri) = Rf in parallel with Ri. > My question is - can we safely alter a given deck's pb amp gain thorugh > these Rf Ri ratio ? What limits the gain and what important thing should be > considered ? (you mentioned a minimum Rf value of 12K). In general, Rf is NOT limited to 12K. It can even be zero. As long as gain is comparatively low (say, less than 100. It depends on the op-amp) and the amp is specified stable at that gain, you can play with Rf, Ri and R2 to achieve the required result. > For example there's this 'hypothetical' deck that outputs 0.775V with Rf of > 15K and Ri of 11K at line amp op amp (which made the input about 0.57V, in > the case of inverting gain). Can I safely replace the 15K with a 20K > resistor to bring the output to 1V ? What's the worst thing that can happen > ... ? Quite afraid to do blind experiment as this is one rare hypothetical > deck =) =) Yes, you can do that, no problem. At the same time, you may want to change R2 (probably, 6.2K) to 6.8K. But that's only important if the opamp is direct coupled to the next stage. If it's capacitor coupled, the difference is immaterial. > Sorry if this should be out of naktalk - Nak's op amp tweaking used to be an > interesting topic. Actually, we are talking about changes to a Nak deck... However, you can always post to AudioTalk -- I'll answer just as quickly. Regards, -- Ron From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Fri Feb 21 21:01:47 2003 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 21:01:47 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Celebrations ! In-Reply-To: <1045844019.3e56503364e28@mail.ce.net> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030221090317.00a9aec0@box.tin.it> <5.1.0.14.2.20030221090317.00a9aec0@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030221205233.00a8fa00@box.tin.it> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Feb 21 22:49:48 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 16:49:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Alan Parsons cassette - US References: <00c201c2d50f$d090ee20$3b106343@johnnyrotten> <5.1.0.14.2.20030221012240.00a9e6f0@box.tin.it> <3E563424.56848E7F@rcn.com> <1045841911.3e5647f803497@mail.ce.net> Message-ID: <3E569EFC.EB221BEC@rcn.com> jmtooley at ce.net wrote: > > That's no excuse! Let's get on it! ;-) I just did. > > John T. > > Quoting Ron : > > > > > Received the cassette Wednesday. Was going to forward it to > > John Tooley yesterday, but my back acted up again (shoveling > > snow will do that to you), so it will go out later today. > > > > -- Ron > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From croquetgod at yahoo.com Fri Feb 21 22:53:08 2003 From: croquetgod at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jens-M.=20Arndt?=) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 22:53:08 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] RX505 "Demo Display" on eBay Message-ID: <20030221215308.48677.qmail@web13509.mail.yahoo.com> Funny auction at ebay germany: A "Nakamichi Unidirectional Autoreverse System Display" of the RX505. http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=14980&item=3009360500&rd=1 ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei http://premiummail.yahoo.de From kannan_s at vsnl.com Sat Feb 22 00:38:40 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 05:08:40 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Celebrations ! Message-ID: <20030221233840.2A2E3114914@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Sat Feb 22 01:14:58 2003 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 01:14:58 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Celebrations ! In-Reply-To: <20030221233840.2A2E3114914@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030222011333.00a92c20@box.tin.it> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mglen at melbpc.org.au Sat Feb 22 02:20:18 2003 From: mglen at melbpc.org.au (Glen Anthony) Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 12:20:18 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Spoken here Message-ID: <000201c2da10$fa835c80$369c0ccb@GS1ec5ur1it7y> Thanks to Bleus for the 4 pages of "Nakamichi Spoken here" 1/ N - Heads there are no equals Period. Applied science , recognition of physical facts in tape technology , only one way to go about it, N is really the only company that had the guts to go that way. Gap widths (0.6->3.5) , literally independant heads (only way to get precise adjustment) , double gap erasure (only way to erase metal types, with the combined ferrite+sendust) (I re-read the Head detail after Kelvin's comment, I have on occassion made the same mistake) -:for clarity - the combined ferrite+sendust form an Erase Head that has very "High Coercivity Low Permeability" - the laminated crystal alloy form the Record & Playback Heads that has very "Low Coercivity High Permeability" the former doesn't saturated very well, to put another way , has dynamic limitations that compromise the signal transfer to tape. the later does saturate but at only at much higher levels , to put it another way , has very good dynamic signal transfer to tape. 2/ The Super Linear Torque Direct-Drive Capstan Motor (SLT DD CM) (Question is the SLT DD CM only brought out in the ZX-9 ????) (Your impressions please , the ZX-9 is one Deck that I have not had the pleasure using or listening to , ????) (as to other DD models??? is there noticeable difference????? how much so) 3/ The Pressure Pad control , what a marvell , although I never owned a deck thats had it , I have used many N that have it. I am still curious to this day how its actually implemented ( like seeing an exploded mechanical assembly , a description of the assembly workings ???? hint hint) 4/ Dolby C -: No one has implemented aswell , whenever hearing N-with-it it's as neutral as Dolby B with more effect in quieting , consistently so. Other companies that implement it have varied results , in that , effect the sound in unpredictable ways , depending on the programme material I either like it but then when the programme material changes I don't . thats when I choose to use Dolby B only. Aside from the literature at the moment , I am currently going thru the process of restoring a N-600II what can I say I like slant-angled front panel nice big dB meters ( Okay , Okay ,I can hear you say its only got one motor) well yes , I like its full manual adjustment control (Okay , Okay , I hear you say its got piano keys for tape control) well yes those tape controls , I must say provide a good feel I could say more , but I'll wait till its finished Another question for Naktalk ; What are good sources for N-Parts I look forward to your responses , thankyou. Glen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Sat Feb 22 03:22:49 2003 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 02:22:49 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Spoken here Message-ID: Hi Glen, Thanks for correcting my mistake and carelessness! In return, I think I can give you a simple explanation of how the pressure pad lifter works: It is simply a metal "cage" around the rec/playback heads which physically lifts the pressure pads of the cassette by the side/lateral margins. Normally this then results in tape not maintaining contact with the heads but with the combination of dual capstans this maintains the tape pressure and hence contact with the rec/playback heads. I hope you understand what I am trying to describe! Kelvin _________________________________________________________________ Chat online in real time with MSN Messenger http://messenger.msn.co.uk From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Feb 22 04:02:34 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 10:02:34 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] RX505 "Demo Display" on eBay References: <20030221215308.48677.qmail@web13509.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001d01c2da1f$4c6dc9a0$4c299bca@smarzuki> Jens, if the "ist bis tonkopf" meaning that it includes a complete playback & other heads ... then you can use it as a spare for your 505 ! A fresh head costs about USD 100 and getting more rare. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jens-M. Arndt To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 4:53 AM Subject: [naktalk] RX505 "Demo Display" on eBay Funny auction at ebay germany: A "Nakamichi Unidirectional Autoreverse System Display" of the RX505. http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=14980&item=3009360500& rd=1 From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Feb 22 14:55:29 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 08:55:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RX505 "Demo Display" on eBay References: <20030221215308.48677.qmail@web13509.mail.yahoo.com> <001d01c2da1f$4c6dc9a0$4c299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3E578151.AE5AFFA2@rcn.com> Since all the demo display was intended to do was 'show and tell', it was not guaranteed to perform as well as the corresponding deck. It may not last as long or sound as good. So, if one wants to get it as a novelty, that's fine, but I am not sure it will a good substitute for a 'real' deck. -- Ron Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Jens, if the "ist bis tonkopf" meaning that it includes a complete playback > & other heads ... then you can use it as a spare for your 505 ! A fresh > head costs about USD 100 and getting more rare. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jens-M. Arndt > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 4:53 AM > Subject: [naktalk] RX505 "Demo Display" on eBay > > Funny auction at ebay germany: > > A "Nakamichi Unidirectional Autoreverse System > Display" of the RX505. > > http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=14980&item=3009360500& > rd=1 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Feb 22 15:28:45 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 14:28:45 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] RX505 "Demo Display" on eBay In-Reply-To: <3E578151.AE5AFFA2@rcn.com> Message-ID: <000101c2da7e$b5291c60$a863893e@oemcomputer> Indeed. I seem to recall this issue was raised once before on this List and someone (was it Stephen or Jeff?) said that he understood the demo units were usually production line rejects. I'd counsel caution. Graham > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Ron > Sent: 22 February 2003 13:55 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX505 "Demo Display" on eBay > > > > Since all the demo display was intended to do was 'show > and tell', it was not guaranteed to perform as well as > the corresponding deck. It may not last as long or sound > as good. > > So, if one wants to get it as a novelty, that's fine, > but I am not sure it will a good substitute for a 'real' > deck. > > -- Ron > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.455 / Virus Database: 255 - Release Date: 13/02/03 From mkinch3080 at hotmail.com Sat Feb 22 17:58:02 2003 From: mkinch3080 at hotmail.com (Mark Kinch) Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 10:58:02 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Service recommendations? Message-ID: Anyone out there recommend a good service tech place? My 681 recently had the right side drop out on playback!:( Thanks, Mark (Dallas) _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Feb 22 22:41:36 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 16:41:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Service recommendations? References: Message-ID: <3E57EE90.1301077D@rcn.com> Stephen Sank is highly recommended by anyone that experienced his work, myself included. He is very good at what he does, very reasonable and, usually, very busy... --Ron Mark Kinch wrote: > > Anyone out there recommend a good service tech place? My 681 recently had > the right side drop out on playback!:( > > Thanks, Mark (Dallas) > > _________________________________________________________________ > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From croquetgod at yahoo.com Sat Feb 22 22:49:25 2003 From: croquetgod at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jens-M.=20Arndt?=) Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 22:49:25 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] RX505 "Demo Display" on eBay In-Reply-To: <000101c2da7e$b5291c60$a863893e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20030222214925.65046.qmail@web13504.mail.yahoo.com> the demo display comes WITHOUT any heads. --- Graham Nelson schrieb: > Indeed. I seem to recall this issue was raised once > before on this List and > someone (was it Stephen or Jeff?) said that he > understood the demo units > were usually production line rejects. I'd counsel > caution. > > Graham > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Ron > > Sent: 22 February 2003 13:55 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX505 "Demo Display" on > eBay > > > > > > > > Since all the demo display was intended to do was > 'show > > and tell', it was not guaranteed to perform as > well as > > the corresponding deck. It may not last as long or > sound > > as good. > > > > So, if one wants to get it as a novelty, that's > fine, > > but I am not sure it will a good substitute for a > 'real' > > deck. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system > (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.455 / Virus Database: 255 - Release > Date: 13/02/03 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei http://premiummail.yahoo.de From croquetgod at yahoo.com Sat Feb 22 22:52:33 2003 From: croquetgod at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jens-M.=20Arndt?=) Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 22:52:33 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] RX505 "Demo Display" on eBay In-Reply-To: <000101c2da7e$b5291c60$a863893e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20030222215233.65263.qmail@web13504.mail.yahoo.com> the demo display comes WITHOUT any heads. --- Graham Nelson schrieb: > Indeed. I seem to recall this issue was raised once > before on this List and > someone (was it Stephen or Jeff?) said that he > understood the demo units > were usually production line rejects. I'd counsel > caution. > > Graham > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Ron > > Sent: 22 February 2003 13:55 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX505 "Demo Display" on > eBay > > > > > > > > Since all the demo display was intended to do was > 'show > > and tell', it was not guaranteed to perform as > well as > > the corresponding deck. It may not last as long or > sound > > as good. > > > > So, if one wants to get it as a novelty, that's > fine, > > but I am not sure it will a good substitute for a > 'real' > > deck. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system > (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.455 / Virus Database: 255 - Release > Date: 13/02/03 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei http://premiummail.yahoo.de From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Feb 22 23:00:46 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 17:00:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Op amp gain calc question - Ron References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030222002614.0353ccf0@pop3.paradise.net.nz> <3E5634D7.715D06C2@rcn.com> <006c01c2d9c8$9819a7e0$67299bca@smarzuki> <3E566B2A.9B6680B1@rcn.com> <000901c2d9db$44a7ad60$92199bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3E57F30E.1A7D2DF4@rcn.com> Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Thank you very much Ron, as usual you've been more than helpful ! > > Strangely there's no R2, the other input of op amp is connected straight to > ground. The said op amp is 4559, upgraded to OP275. I'll check the input > voltage (at 0dB meter) to measure the actual gain. By the way it's > capacitor coupled on the output. The designer allowed himself R2=0 due to the capacitive coupling. A more elegant approach would have been using a correct R2 value. If the op amp has low input offsets (voltage and current) and correct R2, it is often possible to direct couple the output. > If we can adjust the resistors to give higher gain, could you enlighten me > what could probably be the designer / engineer's reason to go for a lower > output ? Distortion ? In the showroom 1V deck would impress potential > buyer more than 'weaker' ones, don't you think ? I think the designer wanted a specific gain, to obtain 0.775V output, which is equal to 0dBM into 600 ohm. If you need somewhat higher gain, there is nothing wrong with modifying resistor values to suit. > Another thing on op-amp's stable operation - is it possible that Nak pushed > op amps / some of IC to the limits on some model - as I've replaced quite a > few 4558/59/60 in level meter and test tone area ? Or could it be that > failed caps also drag down related ICs ? As long as maximum ratings are not exceeded, the op-amp should live forever (at least, in theory). If memory serves, the 4558 is even speced for indefinite short output to ground. If you get a lot of failures in a circuit, I would start looking for lots of heat, or exceeded input voltage surges or exceeded output loading -- stuff like that. It could even be a bad batch of op-amps. Did the replacements also die? -- Ron > Best regards, > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ron > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 1:08 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Op amp gain calc question - Ron > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > Hi Ron, > > > > You taught me long time ago the proper way to add op amp to increase > output > > of 0.6V Naks to 1V 'standard'. If i remember correctly I connected Rf/Ri > > gain of 10x to a 100mV output. It worked really well on 482 (although now > > I'm confused trying to figure out what I did on that breadboard =). > > In general, for an inverting op-amp circuit, Gain = Rf/Ri > and R2 (resistor from non-inverting input to ground) should > be: > > R2 = (Rf * Ri)/(Rf + Ri) = Rf in parallel with Ri. > > > My question is - can we safely alter a given deck's pb amp gain thorugh > > these Rf Ri ratio ? What limits the gain and what important thing should > be > > considered ? (you mentioned a minimum Rf value of 12K). > > In general, Rf is NOT limited to 12K. It can even be zero. > > As long as gain is comparatively low (say, less than 100. > It depends on the op-amp) and the amp is specified stable > at that gain, you can play with Rf, Ri and R2 to achieve > the required result. > > > For example there's this 'hypothetical' deck that outputs 0.775V with Rf > of > > 15K and Ri of 11K at line amp op amp (which made the input about 0.57V, in > > the case of inverting gain). Can I safely replace the 15K with a 20K > > resistor to bring the output to 1V ? What's the worst thing that can > happen > > ... ? Quite afraid to do blind experiment as this is one rare > hypothetical > > deck =) =) > > Yes, you can do that, no problem. At the same time, you may > want to change R2 (probably, 6.2K) to 6.8K. But that's only > important if the opamp is direct coupled to the next stage. > If it's capacitor coupled, the difference is immaterial. > > > Sorry if this should be out of naktalk - Nak's op amp tweaking used to be > an > > interesting topic. > > Actually, we are talking about changes to a Nak deck... However, > you can always post to AudioTalk -- I'll answer just as quickly. > > Regards, > > -- Ron > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Sun Feb 23 06:41:29 2003 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl C) Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 21:41:29 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Service recommendations? In-Reply-To: <3E57EE90.1301077D@rcn.com> Message-ID: you might try nick gowan at truesound.....he used to service my nakamichis and ran a service shop at a high end place that sold all that nakamichi stuff years past www.truesound.com carl -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 1:42 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Service recommendations? Stephen Sank is highly recommended by anyone that experienced his work, myself included. He is very good at what he does, very reasonable and, usually, very busy... --Ron Mark Kinch wrote: > > Anyone out there recommend a good service tech place? My 681 recently had > the right side drop out on playback!:( > > Thanks, Mark (Dallas) > > _________________________________________________________________ > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Feb 23 14:47:08 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 20:47:08 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Op amp gain calc question - Ron References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030222002614.0353ccf0@pop3.paradise.net.nz> <3E5634D7.715D06C2@rcn.com> <006c01c2d9c8$9819a7e0$67299bca@smarzuki> <3E566B2A.9B6680B1@rcn.com> <000901c2d9db$44a7ad60$92199bca@smarzuki> <3E57F30E.1A7D2DF4@rcn.com> Message-ID: <001601c2db47$fe55ec00$d0299bca@smarzuki> The replacement for those 4558s fared quite well up to now, so I suspect a bad batch in that particular year's production. I found few 4558s dead on ZXL and some on 68x and one on ZX9 test tone - early 80's problem ? Some logic ICs even went down misteriously on ZXL. Regarding the op amp gain: Success ! Thanks again Ron. I added 4.3K in series to the 15K resistor and now output is 1V. Now I don't have to turn down volume when switching decks. No ill effect observed yet, the deck could still align (ok, it's not a Nak ... and I'm switching to audiotalk hyperspace). Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 5:00 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Op amp gain calc question - Ron > Another thing on op-amp's stable operation - is it possible that Nak pushed > op amps / some of IC to the limits on some model - as I've replaced quite a > few 4558/59/60 in level meter and test tone area ? Or could it be that > failed caps also drag down related ICs ? As long as maximum ratings are not exceeded, the op-amp should live forever (at least, in theory). If memory serves, the 4558 is even speced for indefinite short output to ground. If you get a lot of failures in a circuit, I would start looking for lots of heat, or exceeded input voltage surges or exceeded output loading -- stuff like that. It could even be a bad batch of op-amps. Did the replacements also die? -- Ron From blueswapper at angelfire.com Sun Feb 23 17:55:00 2003 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 08:55:00 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: Mobile Naks & TD-540/560 Message-ID: Attention Mobile Nak enthusiasts and potential buyers of classic Mobile Nak gear. I posted the email below on NakChatt, and thought some NakTalkers might enjoy reading my little promo write-up on the TD-540 and TD-560. Regards, K.J. Bleus Madison, Wisc USA --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper --------- Forwarded Message --------- DATE: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 08:48:36 From: "The BlueSwapper" To: NakChatt at yahoogroups.com Cc:blueswapper at angelfire.com We should have more NakChatting on Mobile Nakamichi products!!! I'm a keen advocate and user of classic Mobile (auto transported) Nak gear, and I will continue to broadcast news and opportunities to my Nak friends. FYI - Highly regarded TD-540 Mobile Nakamichi cassette deck is now offered on ebay.com. TD-540s are very scarce, as are the one-step-up and Nak Dragon technology designed TD-560. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dllViewItem&item=3008120229&category=3288 TD-460s and TD-560s are late 1980s releases, well designed and constructed, and have the excellent capability of a full deck pullout sleeve, which is preferred where extra hot and cold climate outdoor auto conditions affect delicate Nak cassette deck mechanism performance. I write this opinion from experience and preference, living in the upper midwest of the USA (it gets below zero temperature here sometimes!). If I didn't have two TD-560s already, I would consider grabbing this clean TD-540, which is listed as being new in the original box. Regards, K.J. Bleus Madison, Wisc USA --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper ____________________________________________________________ Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus --------- End Forwarded Message --------- ____________________________________________________________ Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Mon Feb 24 07:04:37 2003 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 07:04:37 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] TDK MA-XG Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030224070246.00a8fdd0@box.tin.it> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmtooley at ce.net Tue Feb 25 17:59:33 2003 From: jmtooley at ce.net (jmtooley at ce.net) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 11:59:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Alan Parsons Project Message-ID: <1046192373.3e5ba0f5e8443@mail.ce.net> A big THANK YOU! to K.J. Bleus for making the Alan Parsons Project cassette dub available to Naktalk members. It's a most enjoyable insite in to recording/producing big name groups such as the Beatles and Pink Floyd. The sound from the vinyl original is excellent! I'm thinking of dubbing from Nakamichi 700ZXL to ReVox B215 and also ReVox B215 to a Sony DTC-75ES DAT machine. Great job Mr. Bleus! From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Feb 25 18:57:16 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 17:57:16 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Alan Parsons Project In-Reply-To: <1046192373.3e5ba0f5e8443@mail.ce.net> Message-ID: <001e01c2dcf7$557ec780$a574893e@oemcomputer> I second that - great job, Bleus. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > jmtooley at ce.net > Sent: 25 February 2003 17:00 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Alan Parsons Project > > > A big THANK YOU! to K.J. Bleus for making the Alan Parsons > Project cassette dub > available to Naktalk members. > > It's a most enjoyable insite in to recording/producing big name > groups such as > the Beatles and Pink Floyd. The sound from the vinyl original is > excellent! I'm > thinking of dubbing from Nakamichi 700ZXL to ReVox B215 and also > ReVox B215 to > a Sony DTC-75ES DAT machine. > > Great job Mr. Bleus! > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.456 / Virus Database: 256 - Release Date: 18/02/03 From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Tue Feb 25 19:51:22 2003 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 19:51:22 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Alan Parsons Project In-Reply-To: <1046192373.3e5ba0f5e8443@mail.ce.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030225195050.00a922f0@box.tin.it> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From fflynn at adelphia.net Wed Feb 26 22:53:38 2003 From: fflynn at adelphia.net (Fran Flynn) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 17:53:38 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: ReVox B215 heads?? Message-ID: <200302262153.h1QLrcr02598@texas.pop3now.com> Does anyone know where to obtain a record/play head for the Revox 215? For a reasonable price, I mean, rather than the $225.00 I was quoted recently. Thanks From m.raven at chello.nl Wed Feb 26 23:39:18 2003 From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 23:39:18 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: ReVox B215 heads?? References: <200302262153.h1QLrcr02598@texas.pop3now.com> Message-ID: <000901c2dde7$e62455c0$9e3cbbd4@raveneql1a1eu0> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fran Flynn" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 10:53 PM Subject: [naktalk] OT: ReVox B215 heads?? > Does anyone know where to obtain a record/play head > for the Revox 215? For a reasonable price, I mean, > rather than the $225.00 I was quoted recently. Try http://www.summertone.com/ref.htm they refurbish heads too, or www.studer.ch the original manufacturer. Maurits From xjw909e at tninet.se Thu Feb 27 16:56:07 2003 From: xjw909e at tninet.se (spiros agathagelidis) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 16:56:07 +0100 (MET) Subject: [naktalk] Service Manual 480 wanted Message-ID: <1276416939.1046361367254.JavaMail.webmail@webmail4> Hello all I want to find a service manual for my 480! This is not somthing wrong with it, but I want to change all the caps, just for fun! Spiros From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Feb 27 17:59:52 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 23:59:52 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: ReVox B215 heads?? References: <200302262153.h1QLrcr02598@texas.pop3now.com> <000901c2dde7$e62455c0$9e3cbbd4@raveneql1a1eu0> Message-ID: <000e01c2de81$ad186600$9d299bca@smarzuki> Hi Fran, I emailed revox.de but no reply yet - I'd also like to get spare if not too expensive. May I know what happened to your B215's head ? Has it worn out that you notice any degradation in playback ? Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Maurits To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 5:39 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: ReVox B215 heads?? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fran Flynn" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 10:53 PM Subject: [naktalk] OT: ReVox B215 heads?? > Does anyone know where to obtain a record/play head > for the Revox 215? For a reasonable price, I mean, > rather than the $225.00 I was quoted recently. Try http://www.summertone.com/ref.htm they refurbish heads too, or www.studer.ch the original manufacturer. Maurits From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Feb 27 19:08:38 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 01:08:38 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Service Manual 480 wanted References: <1276416939.1046361367254.JavaMail.webmail@webmail4> Message-ID: <001901c2de8b$410d3440$9d299bca@smarzuki> Has the password been changed recently ? Tried naktalk/dragon and it didn't work. Spiros, if not mistaken there's one on Wouter's site: http://support.naks.com/support Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: spiros agathagelidis To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 10:56 PM Subject: [naktalk] Service Manual 480 wanted Hello all I want to find a service manual for my 480! This is not somthing wrong with it, but I want to change all the caps, just for fun! Spiros From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Feb 27 19:10:17 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 01:10:17 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: buy 215 now for 500 Message-ID: <001a01c2de8b$7c4df760$9d299bca@smarzuki> For those interested in comparing this deck with Naks: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3010548326&category=4784 Cheers, Salim SM From nicy at ya.com Thu Feb 27 20:27:08 2003 From: nicy at ya.com (JGascon) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 20:27:08 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Service Manual 480 wanted References: <1276416939.1046361367254.JavaMail.webmail@webmail4> <001901c2de8b$410d3440$9d299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <001d01c2de96$390fe980$8f2b3b50@PcComunero> Yes, there is one in wouter´s. Spiros, if you can get it just tell me, I have it in my hard drive. Javier. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Service Manual 480 wanted > > Has the password been changed recently ? Tried naktalk/dragon and it didn't > work. > > Spiros, if not mistaken there's one on Wouter's site: > http://support.naks.com/support > > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: spiros agathagelidis > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 10:56 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Service Manual 480 wanted > > > Hello all > I want to find a service manual for my 480! > This is not somthing wrong with it, but I want to change all the caps, just > for fun! > Spiros > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > From croquetgod at yahoo.com Fri Feb 28 01:04:15 2003 From: croquetgod at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jens-M.=20Arndt?=) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 01:04:15 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] nak 410 preamp ? Message-ID: <20030228000415.84219.qmail@web13508.mail.yahoo.com> hi there, I am desperately seeking a decent phono preamp for my thorens with MM system (my new harman kardon receiver does not have any phone input...argh..) at a reasonable price, i.e. not more than 100/150 usd. there is one nak 410 for sale (but with a shocking performance record of the seller): http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3313885085&category=12050 any comments on the nak 410 or other suggestions are most welcome. thanks jens ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei http://premiummail.yahoo.de From xjw909e at tninet.se Fri Feb 28 08:25:55 2003 From: xjw909e at tninet.se (spiros agathagelidis) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 08:25:55 +0100 (MET) Subject: [naktalk] Service Manual 480 wanted Message-ID: <732032260.1046417155709.JavaMail.webmail@webmail4> It didn´t work for me either! I will appreciate some tip about the suitable caps or others modifies on this model! Spiros Den 27 Feb 2003 skrev JGascon: > Yes, there is one in wouter´s. Spiros, if you can get it just tell me, I > have it in my hard drive. > Javier. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salim Marzuki" > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 7:08 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Service Manual 480 wanted > > > > > > Has the password been changed recently ? Tried naktalk/dragon and it > didn't > > work. > > > > Spiros, if not mistaken there's one on Wouter's site: > > http://support.naks.com/support > > > > Salim SM > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: spiros agathagelidis > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 10:56 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] Service Manual 480 wanted > > > > > > Hello all > > I want to find a service manual for my 480! > > This is not somthing wrong with it, but I want to change all the caps, > just > > for fun! > > Spiros > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Feb 28 09:23:36 2003 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 01:23:36 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] nak 410 preamp ? References: <20030228000415.84219.qmail@web13508.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <022501c2df02$b13b5720$af3442cf@steve> The 410 is a wonderfully simple, discrete transistor preamp. I'm quite fond of it, personally, and would give it a high recommendation. In the same price ballpark, the Apt Holman has a better & genuinely superb, phono stage, as well as many more inputs & features. The 410 might be the better linestage preamp, though. The original CA-5(not the -II version) is actually very similar in design to the 410, and is a much prettier unit for not much more money, usually. Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer Talking Dog Transducer Company http://stephensank.com 5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] (temporarily using home address, due to imminent shop move) 505-332-0336 Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer Payments preferred through Paypal.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jens-M. Arndt" To: Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 5:04 PM Subject: [naktalk] nak 410 preamp ? > hi there, > > I am desperately seeking a decent phono preamp for my > thorens with MM system (my new harman kardon receiver > does not have any phone input...argh..) at a > reasonable price, i.e. not more than 100/150 usd. > > there is one nak 410 for sale (but with a shocking > performance record of the seller): > > http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3313885085&category=12050 > > any comments on the nak 410 or other suggestions are > most welcome. > > thanks > jens > > ===== > 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) > > __________________________________________________________________ > > Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de > Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei http://premiummail.yahoo.de > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > From kfendt at web.de Fri Feb 28 09:28:38 2003 From: kfendt at web.de (Klaus Fendt) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 09:28:38 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: ReVox B215 heads?? Message-ID: <200302280828.h1S8SYe23439@mailgate5.cinetic.de> Perhaps you take a look here: http://www.revox-forum.de/ and then ask there: mailto:Ludwig-Elektronik at t-online.de This is a site available in German only but this guy (Mr. Ludwig) has been done repairs on ReVox machines for over 25 years and serviced three of my devices some weeks ago - they sound great again so I can recommend him here. If you like I can do all things needed for you Klaus -- Klaus Fendt Gerhart-Hauptmann-Ring 5 81737 München ==================== Tel. : +49 (0) 89 634983-53 Mobil: +49 (0) 172 7848082 Fax : +49 (0) 89 634983-52 ==================== MailTo:kfendt at web.de MailTo:kfendt at gmx.de ______________________________________________________________________________ Belgien, Italien, Portugal,... Mit WEB.DE FreeMail koennen Sie in all diese Laender SMS senden. http://freemail.web.de/features/?mc=021173 From nicy at ya.com Fri Feb 28 09:47:43 2003 From: nicy at ya.com (JGascon) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 09:47:43 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] nak 410 preamp ? References: <20030228000415.84219.qmail@web13508.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000701c2df06$0f857ec0$8f2b3b50@PcComunero> Jens, You can look in Creek and NAD catalogues. Both brands have afordable/good quality MM phono preamps. Javier. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jens-M. Arndt" To: Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 1:04 AM Subject: [naktalk] nak 410 preamp ? > hi there, > > I am desperately seeking a decent phono preamp for my > thorens with MM system (my new harman kardon receiver > does not have any phone input...argh..) at a > reasonable price, i.e. not more than 100/150 usd. > > there is one nak 410 for sale (but with a shocking > performance record of the seller): > > http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3313885085&category=12050 > > any comments on the nak 410 or other suggestions are > most welcome. > > thanks > jens > > ===== > 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) > > __________________________________________________________________ > > Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de > Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei http://premiummail.yahoo.de > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > From nicy at ya.com Fri Feb 28 09:48:50 2003 From: nicy at ya.com (JGascon) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 09:48:50 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Service Manual 480 wanted References: <732032260.1046417155709.JavaMail.webmail@webmail4> Message-ID: <000f01c2df06$37b1eb40$8f2b3b50@PcComunero> Spiros, do you want me to send the manual to you? Javier. ----- Original Message ----- From: "spiros agathagelidis" To: Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 8:25 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Service Manual 480 wanted > It didn´t work for me either! > I will appreciate some tip about the suitable caps or others modifies on this model! > Spiros > > > > > Den 27 Feb 2003 skrev JGascon: > > > Yes, there is one in wouter´s. Spiros, if you can get it just tell me, I > > have it in my hard drive. > > Javier. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Salim Marzuki" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 7:08 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Service Manual 480 wanted > > > > > > > > > > Has the password been changed recently ? Tried naktalk/dragon and it > > didn't > > > work. > > > > > > Spiros, if not mistaken there's one on Wouter's site: > > > http://support.naks.com/support > > > > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: spiros agathagelidis > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 10:56 PM > > > Subject: [naktalk] Service Manual 480 wanted > > > > > > > > > Hello all > > > I want to find a service manual for my 480! > > > This is not somthing wrong with it, but I want to change all the caps, > > just > > > for fun! > > > Spiros > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Feb 28 09:56:54 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 08:56:54 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] ReVox B215 versus Nakamichi In-Reply-To: <200302280828.h1S8SYe23439@mailgate5.cinetic.de> Message-ID: <000301c2df07$5789a9c0$1cd9883e@oemcomputer> Klaus How do you feel your B215s compare with your Nakamichi's in terms of recording and playback quality? Graham > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.456 / Virus Database: 256 - Release Date: 18/02/03 From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Feb 28 10:05:26 2003 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 02:05:26 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] nak 410 preamp ? References: <20030228000415.84219.qmail@web13508.mail.yahoo.com> <000701c2df06$0f857ec0$8f2b3b50@PcComunero> Message-ID: <025801c2df08$893c7b90$af3442cf@steve> God, no! NAD is & always has been mediocre to horrible, especially in terms of build quality & reliability, where it ranks down there with Kenwood & Sanyo. And Creek, ugh, makes NAD look like great stuff. Abominably bad construction. I built more solid stuff when I was 12 years old. Seriously. The old 410 will eat anything from NAD & Creek for breakfast, without doubt, and terrific reliability. Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer Talking Dog Transducer Company http://stephensank.com 5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] (temporarily using home address, due to imminent shop move) 505-332-0336 Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer Payments preferred through Paypal.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "JGascon" To: Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 1:47 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] nak 410 preamp ? > Jens, > You can look in Creek and NAD catalogues. Both brands have afordable/good > quality MM phono preamps. > Javier. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jens-M. Arndt" > To: > Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 1:04 AM > Subject: [naktalk] nak 410 preamp ? > > > > hi there, > > > > I am desperately seeking a decent phono preamp for my > > thorens with MM system (my new harman kardon receiver > > does not have any phone input...argh..) at a > > reasonable price, i.e. not more than 100/150 usd. > > > > there is one nak 410 for sale (but with a shocking > > performance record of the seller): > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3313885085&category=12050 > > > > any comments on the nak 410 or other suggestions are > > most welcome. > > > > thanks > > jens > > > > ===== > > 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, > man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in > einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry > Rowohlt) > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > > > > Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de > > Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei http://premiummail.yahoo.de > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > From xjw909e at tninet.se Fri Feb 28 10:06:03 2003 From: xjw909e at tninet.se (spiros agathagelidis) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 10:06:03 +0100 (MET) Subject: [naktalk] Service Manual 480 wanted Message-ID: <1822808965.1046423163507.JavaMail.webmail@webmail4> I will be happy Thanks! Den 28 Feb 2003 skrev JGascon: > Spiros, do you want me to send the manual to you? > Javier. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "spiros agathagelidis" > To: > Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 8:25 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Service Manual 480 wanted > > > > It didn´t work for me either! > > I will appreciate some tip about the suitable caps or others modifies on > this model! > > Spiros > > > > > > > > > > Den 27 Feb 2003 skrev JGascon: > > > > > Yes, there is one in wouter´s. Spiros, if you can get it just tell me, I > > > have it in my hard drive. > > > Javier. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Salim Marzuki" > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 7:08 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Service Manual 480 wanted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Has the password been changed recently ? Tried naktalk/dragon and it > > > didn't > > > > work. > > > > > > > > Spiros, if not mistaken there's one on Wouter's site: > > > > http://support.naks.com/support > > > > > > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: spiros agathagelidis > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 10:56 PM > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Service Manual 480 wanted > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello all > > > > I want to find a service manual for my 480! > > > > This is not somthing wrong with it, but I want to change all the caps, > > > just > > > > for fun! > > > > Spiros > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > To maintain your account please go here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From croquetgod at yahoo.com Fri Feb 28 13:00:54 2003 From: croquetgod at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jens-M.=20Arndt?=) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 13:00:54 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] nak 410 preamp ? In-Reply-To: <025801c2df08$893c7b90$af3442cf@steve> Message-ID: <20030228120054.48112.qmail@web13502.mail.yahoo.com> @ Javier, Michael & Stephen thanks a lot for your input. I will try to contact this crazy seller... ofcourse I do prefer a nice old vintage nak pre amp as long as the alternative is a small nad box for 99 usd (which I can still buy at the next hifi-store) jens --- Stephen Sank schrieb: > God, no! NAD is & always has been mediocre to > horrible, especially in terms > of build quality & reliability, where it ranks down > there with Kenwood & > Sanyo. And Creek, ugh, makes NAD look like great > stuff. Abominably bad > construction. I built more solid stuff when I was > 12 years old. Seriously. > The old 410 will eat anything from NAD & Creek for > breakfast, without doubt, > and terrific reliability. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer > Talking Dog Transducer Company > http://stephensank.com > 5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] (temporarily using > home address, due to > imminent shop move) > 505-332-0336 > Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer > Payments preferred through Paypal.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JGascon" > To: > Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 1:47 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] nak 410 preamp ? > > > > Jens, > > You can look in Creek and NAD catalogues. Both > brands have afordable/good > > quality MM phono preamps. > > Javier. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jens-M. Arndt" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 1:04 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] nak 410 preamp ? > > > > > > > hi there, > > > > > > I am desperately seeking a decent phono preamp > for my > > > thorens with MM system (my new harman kardon > receiver > > > does not have any phone input...argh..) at a > > > reasonable price, i.e. not more than 100/150 > usd. > > > > > > there is one nak 410 for sale (but with a > shocking > > > performance record of the seller): > > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3313885085&category=12050 > > > > > > any comments on the nak 410 or other suggestions > are > > > most welcome. > > > > > > thanks > > > jens > > > > > > ===== > > > 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder > auf Beatles oder Stones, > > man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf > Sofia Loren. Beides hat > in > > einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. > Pauli und HSV.' (Harry > > Rowohlt) > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de > > > Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei > http://premiummail.yahoo.de > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > > To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei http://premiummail.yahoo.de From kfendt at web.de Fri Feb 28 13:44:20 2003 From: kfendt at web.de (Klaus Fendt) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 13:44:20 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ReVox B215 versus Nakamichi Message-ID: <200302281244.h1SCiKe24981@mailgate5.cinetic.de> Graham, unfortunately I do not own a ReVox tape deck because of the existence of a Dragon and a ZX-9. Normally I don't find any time doing analogue recordings so when I am at home I listen to the radio (ReVox B 261 FM tuner) or a CD (ReVox B 226). As far as I know are there only a few "great Tape decks" left: If I should give a recomendation the I would vote for a ReVox B 215 (S) or the ASC AS 3001 or - of course - one of Nak's Dragon, CR7, ZX-9. For playback purposes my first choice is the Dragon because of the NAAC system, the ReVox in my opinion has one of the best drives (4 motors) and also one of the best calibration computers. One main reason for ReVox is: You still get spare parts for those products especially here in Germany where Nakamichi disappeared completely. Klaus -----Original Message----- From: Graham Nelson [SMTP:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 9:57 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] ReVox B215 versus Nakamichi Klaus How do you feel your B215s compare with your Nakamichi's in terms of recording and playback quality? Graham -- Klaus Fendt Gerhart-Hauptmann-Ring 5 81737 München ==================== Tel. : +49 (0) 89 634983-53 Mobil: +49 (0) 172 7848082 Fax : +49 (0) 89 634983-52 ==================== MailTo:kfendt at web.de MailTo:kfendt at gmx.de ______________________________________________________________________________ Werden Sie kreativ! Bei WEB.DE FreeMail heisst es jetzt nicht nur schreiben, sondern auch gestalten. http://freemail.web.de/features/?mc=021142 From John at jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk Fri Feb 28 14:11:00 2003 From: John at jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 13:11:00 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] nak 410 preamp ? References: <20030228120054.48112.qmail@web13502.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3E5F5FE4.6030005@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Jens This seller has an unacceptable feedback record. If it was me, I would avoid this him/her and wait until another unit appears. If you choose to go ahead, carefully read all of the negative feedbacks, then ask "postler" to explain what happened before you enter into any commitment. John Walker Jens-M. Arndt wrote: >@ Javier, Michael & Stephen > >thanks a lot for your input. > >I will try to contact this crazy seller... > >ofcourse I do prefer a nice old vintage nak pre amp as >long as the alternative is a small nad box for 99 usd >(which I can still buy at the next hifi-store) > >jens > > --- Stephen Sank schrieb: > God, >no! NAD is & always has been mediocre to > > >>horrible, especially in terms >>of build quality & reliability, where it ranks down >>there with Kenwood & >>Sanyo. And Creek, ugh, makes NAD look like great >>stuff. Abominably bad >>construction. I built more solid stuff when I was >>12 years old. Seriously. >>The old 410 will eat anything from NAD & Creek for >>breakfast, without doubt, >>and terrific reliability. >> >>Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer >>Talking Dog Transducer Company >>http://stephensank.com >>5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. >>Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] (temporarily using >>home address, due to >>imminent shop move) >>505-332-0336 >>Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer >>Payments preferred through Paypal.com >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "JGascon" >>To: >>Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 1:47 AM >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] nak 410 preamp ? >> >> >> >> >>>Jens, >>>You can look in Creek and NAD catalogues. Both >>> >>> >>brands have afordable/good >> >> >>>quality MM phono preamps. >>>Javier. >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Jens-M. Arndt" >>>To: >>>Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 1:04 AM >>>Subject: [naktalk] nak 410 preamp ? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>hi there, >>>> >>>>I am desperately seeking a decent phono preamp >>>> >>>> >>for my >> >> >>>>thorens with MM system (my new harman kardon >>>> >>>> >>receiver >> >> >>>>does not have any phone input...argh..) at a >>>>reasonable price, i.e. not more than 100/150 >>>> >>>> >>usd. >> >> >>>>there is one nak 410 for sale (but with a >>>> >>>> >>shocking >> >> >>>>performance record of the seller): >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3313885085&category=12050 > > >>>>any comments on the nak 410 or other suggestions >>>> >>>> >>are >> >> >>>>most welcome. >>>> >>>>thanks >>>>jens >>>> >>>>===== >>>>'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder >>>> >>>> >>auf Beatles oder Stones, >> >> >>>man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf >>> >>> >>Sofia Loren. Beides hat >>in >> >> >>>einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. >>> >>> >>Pauli und HSV.' (Harry >> >> >>>Rowohlt) >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >__________________________________________________________________ > > >>>>Gesendet von Yahoo! 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Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) > >__________________________________________________________________ > >Gesendet von Yahoo! 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The 300X series featured RALF for manual calibration and as far as I know it was about 3000,- DM which is something about 1500 U$ at the moment The last Braun decks I know about came from the so called "Atelier system" (slimline design) where the top deck was called C3 including tray loading, double capstan drive, double speed and Dolby C but no or only few possibilites for calibration. I think this wasn't a bad machine but the LX5 sounded better (not my opinion, but according to some older HiFi mags). The atelier series also offered CD, Tuner, TV set, Power Amp, Turntable, Receiver Find a picture of a white version here: http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3009655934&category=4787 Klaus > Hello Klaus! > > Can you tell more about ASC? Their tape machines looks really close to > Braun tape > machines, and my guess is that it was made by Braun. Unfortunately all > casstte deck > by Braun I have - 450 and 301 was made in Japan (actualy bad surprise for > me!). > Can you guess who was a manufacturer of ASC cassette deck? > And what do you think about older Braun audio products? I found that in > Germany there > still a big interests for it, but in the rest of the world people knew > only shawers by Braun... > > Thanks! > > Misha > -- > ______________________________________ > http://www.pravda.com.ua > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > -- -- Klaus Fendt Gerhart-Hauptmann-Ring 5 81737 Muenchen Tel. +49 (0) 89 634983-53 Fax. +49 (0) 89 634983-52 MailTo:kfendt at web.de MailTo:kfendt at gmx.de +++ GMX - Mail, Messaging & more http://www.gmx.net +++ Bitte lächeln! Fotogalerie online mit GMX ohne eigene Homepage! From kfendt at gmx.de Fri Feb 28 15:42:03 2003 From: kfendt at gmx.de (kfendt at gmx.de) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 15:42:03 +0100 (MET) Subject: [naktalk] ReVox B215 versus Nakamichi References: Message-ID: <3014.1046443323@www58.gmx.net> Sorry Misha, in the 70's I was about 10-12 years old and the first ASC open reel I've seen was the AS 6002 (of course with the yellow power button). I know that these machines were quite excellent but if somebody say open reel the answer normally is ReVox B 77 (or one of my favorites: Teac X3000-M) Klaus > Thanks Klaus! > > However their reel-to-reel similar to Braun's! I have Braun 1000 and it > looks exactly like > ACS 5004 reel-to-reel. So they may be conected somehow? But it was in > 70-th. > What is also similar - quite unusual knob's colouring, brAun used yelow > and green > knobs for blackfaced models, and ASC has very unusual yelow power knob. > Also, reel-to-reel by ASC defenitely has brAun's meters! Same meters used > in > 70-th for all brAun's receivers, and TGC450 deck. Defenitely both > companies was > connected in 70-th! > -- -- Klaus Fendt Gerhart-Hauptmann-Ring 5 81737 Muenchen Tel. +49 (0) 89 634983-53 Fax. +49 (0) 89 634983-52 MailTo:kfendt at web.de MailTo:kfendt at gmx.de +++ GMX - Mail, Messaging & more http://www.gmx.net +++ Bitte lächeln! Fotogalerie online mit GMX ohne eigene Homepage! From kfendt at gmx.de Fri Feb 28 16:03:44 2003 From: kfendt at gmx.de (kfendt at gmx.de) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 16:03:44 +0100 (MET) Subject: [naktalk] ReVox B215 versus Nakamichi References: Message-ID: <31687.1046444624@www58.gmx.net> Sorry again - I only know the brand name Eumig but haven't seen a device > Thanks Klaus! > > I have B77 and A77 (both two track) and also TEAC X-1000R. > But I really like the sound of Braun 1000, it's quite special! > > Back to cassettes - do you have any expirience with Austrian made > EUMIG 1000? > > Misha > > > >in the 70's I was about 10-12 years old and the first ASC open reel I've > >seen was > >the AS 6002 (of course with the yellow power button). I know that these > >machines > >were quite excellent but if somebody say open reel the answer normally is > >ReVox B 77 (or one of my favorites: Teac X3000-M) > > > >Klaus > > > -- > ______________________________________ > http://www.pravda.com.ua > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > -- -- Klaus Fendt Gerhart-Hauptmann-Ring 5 81737 Muenchen Tel. +49 (0) 89 634983-53 Fax. +49 (0) 89 634983-52 MailTo:kfendt at web.de MailTo:kfendt at gmx.de +++ GMX - Mail, Messaging & more http://www.gmx.net +++ Bitte lächeln! Fotogalerie online mit GMX ohne eigene Homepage! From nicy at ya.com Fri Feb 28 16:22:49 2003 From: nicy at ya.com (JGascon) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 16:22:49 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] nak 410 preamp ? References: <20030228000415.84219.qmail@web13508.mail.yahoo.com> <000701c2df06$0f857ec0$8f2b3b50@PcComunero> <025801c2df08$893c7b90$af3442cf@steve> Message-ID: <000b01c2df3d$41bb7ac0$8f2b3b50@PcComunero> Stephen, Have you known any amp like NAD 3020s20 in terms of price/quality? I think Nad have always built very cheap stuff at a reasonable quality. Also, you can look at What Hifi or Hifi World reviews for its new line of components C320BEE, etc. I know this is not Hi End like the old 410... but not so bad. Javier. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 10:05 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] nak 410 preamp ? > God, no! NAD is & always has been mediocre to horrible, especially in terms > of build quality & reliability, where it ranks down there with Kenwood & > Sanyo. And Creek, ugh, makes NAD look like great stuff. Abominably bad > construction. I built more solid stuff when I was 12 years old. Seriously. > The old 410 will eat anything from NAD & Creek for breakfast, without doubt, > and terrific reliability. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer > Talking Dog Transducer Company > http://stephensank.com > 5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] (temporarily using home address, due to > imminent shop move) > 505-332-0336 > Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer > Payments preferred through Paypal.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JGascon" > To: > Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 1:47 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] nak 410 preamp ? > > > > Jens, > > You can look in Creek and NAD catalogues. Both brands have afordable/good > > quality MM phono preamps. > > Javier. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jens-M. Arndt" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 1:04 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] nak 410 preamp ? > > > > > > > hi there, > > > > > > I am desperately seeking a decent phono preamp for my > > > thorens with MM system (my new harman kardon receiver > > > does not have any phone input...argh..) at a > > > reasonable price, i.e. not more than 100/150 usd. > > > > > > there is one nak 410 for sale (but with a shocking > > > performance record of the seller): > > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3313885085&category=12050 > > > > > > any comments on the nak 410 or other suggestions are > > > most welcome. > > > > > > thanks > > > jens > > > > > > ===== > > > 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, > > man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat > in > > einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry > > Rowohlt) > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > Gesendet von Yahoo! 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They look like they are one of the original metal tape formulations from SONY. Are they any good? --Roland From croquetgod at yahoo.com Fri Feb 28 16:41:50 2003 From: croquetgod at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jens-M.=20Arndt?=) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 16:41:50 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] nak 410 preamp ? In-Reply-To: <3E5F5FE4.6030005@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <20030228154150.78040.qmail@web13502.mail.yahoo.com> john, I would never buy from a seller like "postler" unless I have a chance to see the nak "alive & kicking" prior payment. jens --- John Walker schrieb: > Jens > This seller has an unacceptable feedback record. If > it was me, I would > avoid this him/her and wait until another unit > appears. If you choose to > go ahead, carefully read all of the negative > feedbacks, then ask > "postler" to explain what happened before you enter > into any commitment. > > John Walker > > Jens-M. Arndt wrote: > > >@ Javier, Michael & Stephen > > > >thanks a lot for your input. > > > >I will try to contact this crazy seller... > > > >ofcourse I do prefer a nice old vintage nak pre amp > as > >long as the alternative is a small nad box for 99 > usd > >(which I can still buy at the next hifi-store) > > > >jens > > > > --- Stephen Sank schrieb: > > God, > >no! NAD is & always has been mediocre to > > > > > >>horrible, especially in terms > >>of build quality & reliability, where it ranks > down > >>there with Kenwood & > >>Sanyo. And Creek, ugh, makes NAD look like great > >>stuff. Abominably bad > >>construction. I built more solid stuff when I was > >>12 years old. Seriously. > >>The old 410 will eat anything from NAD & Creek for > >>breakfast, without doubt, > >>and terrific reliability. > >> > >>Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer > >>Talking Dog Transducer Company > >>http://stephensank.com > >>5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. > >>Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] (temporarily using > >>home address, due to > >>imminent shop move) > >>505-332-0336 > >>Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer > >>Payments preferred through Paypal.com > >>----- Original Message ----- > >>From: "JGascon" > >>To: > >>Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 1:47 AM > >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] nak 410 preamp ? > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>>Jens, > >>>You can look in Creek and NAD catalogues. Both > >>> > >>> > >>brands have afordable/good > >> > >> > >>>quality MM phono preamps. > >>>Javier. > >>> > >>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>From: "Jens-M. Arndt" > >>>To: > >>>Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 1:04 AM > >>>Subject: [naktalk] nak 410 preamp ? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>hi there, > >>>> > >>>>I am desperately seeking a decent phono preamp > >>>> > >>>> > >>for my > >> > >> > >>>>thorens with MM system (my new harman kardon > >>>> > >>>> > >>receiver > >> > >> > >>>>does not have any phone input...argh..) at a > >>>>reasonable price, i.e. not more than 100/150 > >>>> > >>>> > >>usd. > >> > >> > >>>>there is one nak 410 for sale (but with a > >>>> > >>>> > >>shocking > >> > >> > >>>>performance record of the seller): > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3313885085&category=12050 > > > > > >>>>any comments on the nak 410 or other suggestions > >>>> > >>>> > >>are > >> > >> > >>>>most welcome. > >>>> > >>>>thanks > >>>>jens > >>>> > >>>>===== > >>>>'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder > >>>> > >>>> > >>auf Beatles oder Stones, > >> > >> > >>>man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf > >>> > >>> > >>Sofia Loren. Beides hat > >>in > >> > >> > >>>einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie > St. > >>> > >>> > >>Pauli und HSV.' (Harry > >> > >> > >>>Rowohlt) > >>> > >>> > >>>> > >>>> > >__________________________________________________________________ > > > > > >>>>Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de > >>>>Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei > >>>> > >>>> > >>http://premiummail.yahoo.de > >> > >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > >>>======= > >>> > >>> > >>>> Naktalk at naks.com > >>>> > >>>> > >>mailinglist > >> > >> > >>>>To maintain your account please go here: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>> > >>> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > >>>======= > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > >>======= > >> > >> > >>> Naktalk at naks.com > >>> > >>> > >>mailinglist > === message truncated === ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei http://premiummail.yahoo.de From khmerideth at anderson.edu Fri Feb 28 16:46:11 2003 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 10:46:11 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] SONY Metallic Message-ID: Roland, Have not heard of this either. Does anyone have a Web link for any information on this tape. The results I received on "SONY Metallic" had nothing to do with recording tape. Of course, any background information would be greatly appreciated. Kent >>> roleo at telus.net 02/28/03 10:37AM >>> I've just come across a tape that I had not heard of before: "SONY Metallic" Anyone know anything about these? They look like they are one of the original metal tape formulations from SONY. Are they any good? --Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JBoris4325 at aol.com Fri Feb 28 16:58:07 2003 From: JBoris4325 at aol.com (JBoris4325 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 10:58:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Headphones and Rx-505 ? Message-ID: <08C9AF1F.21074754.0ACC7DC7@aol.com> Hello, I would like some good headphones for my stereo. I like to lie in bed and listen at night. What is a good pair for less than $200 US ?? Was looking at some Senheiser HD-280 pro on sale 1/2 off for $99.?? or HD 585 for $79...?? Also What are your opinions on owning a NAk rx-505 ??? Any comments suggestions? MAintenance issues? Thanks to anyone for any info. jboris4325 at aol.com From croquetgod at yahoo.com Fri Feb 28 17:22:54 2003 From: croquetgod at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jens-M.=20Arndt?=) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 17:22:54 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] Headphones and Rx-505 ? In-Reply-To: <08C9AF1F.21074754.0ACC7DC7@aol.com> Message-ID: <20030228162254.29680.qmail@web13505.mail.yahoo.com> hello jboris, while I am unable to give you any advice on headphones (I am happy with my akg k400 which I bought some 10 years ago) I just bought a rx505e for abt 350 usd on ebay germany. I am extremely happy with this tapedeck: it is very close to mint condition (apart from a few scratches on the top I don't care about) and the recording and playback quality is simply great: I cannot tell original from tape. The unique autoreverse mechanism is another reason to buy a RX tape. However there are even better tape decks from nak: the dragon, cr9, cr7 , zx9 and some others have even more features which I would probably never use. jens --- JBoris4325 at aol.com schrieb: > Hello, > I would like some good headphones for my stereo. I > like to lie in bed and listen at night. > What is a good pair for less than $200 US ?? > Was looking at some Senheiser HD-280 pro on sale 1/2 > off for $99.?? or HD 585 for $79...?? > > Also What are your opinions on owning a NAk rx-505 > ??? > Any comments suggestions? MAintenance issues? > > Thanks to anyone for any info. > jboris4325 at aol.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei http://premiummail.yahoo.de From khmerideth at anderson.edu Fri Feb 28 17:57:45 2003 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 11:57:45 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Headphones and Rx-505 ? Message-ID: Hello JBoris, I have been very happy with my Sennheiser HD-280 headphones. The frequency response has a slightly rising response at the high end, but my ears need that, and a little more. They make it more difficult to hear doorbells and ringing telephones, while listening to great music. But hey, which is more important, hearing the music or those silly bells? Also like my Sony MDR 7504 headphones, but they do NOT have replaceable ear/headband covers or signal cabling. The 7504 has a somewhat brighter high end response than the 280, which is what I need for making sure there are no high frequency problems when recording live performances. The Sony covers have some kind of vinyl coating that starts to peel off after a few years use, which looks a little strange as it speckles the wearer's ears, neck and jaw. (There are those that say I look a little strange anyway, but what do they know?!) Even though the 7504 is more compact and can occasionally be gotten for around $100.00, I'd give the nod to the 280. They are more bulky, but are very comfortable; plus having user replacement parts to keep going, and going, and going....... That's my two cents worth. Kent >>> JBoris4325 at aol.com 02/28/03 10:58AM >>> Hello, I would like some good headphones for my stereo. I like to lie in bed and listen at night. What is a good pair for less than $200 US ?? Was looking at some Senheiser HD-280 pro on sale 1/2 off for $99.?? or HD 585 for $79...?? Also What are your opinions on owning a NAk rx-505 ??? Any comments suggestions? MAintenance issues? Thanks to anyone for any info. jboris4325 at aol.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jsperber at nyc.rr.com Fri Feb 28 18:12:22 2003 From: jsperber at nyc.rr.com (Jeffrey Sperber) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 12:12:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 Message-ID: <004101c2df4c$911646e0$04dcfea9@jeffreyr2bvvff> I'm new to the list and haven't had a tape deck (CR1A) running for 6 years. However, I just bought an LX-5 on ebay and am having it serviced. I've been enjoying reel to reel for a year now and thought it would be fun to rediscover Nak. Now I have a Nak that I couldn't have afforded when it was new! I'd appreciate anyone's thoughts about the LX-5. Thanks in advance for your help! Jeff -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From roleo at telus.net Fri Feb 28 18:36:38 2003 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 09:36:38 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Headphones References: <08C9AF1F.21074754.0ACC7DC7@aol.com> Message-ID: <001401c2df4f$f2ed3ec0$8075059a@desktop> There are few things by SONY that I would recommend. But when it comes to headphones, they offer a very good product for the money. Many recording studios use these, and after trying them, I can see why. The three models below can all be had for well under $200.00 on E-bay, brand new. They provide great isolation along with good bass response. I have also heard some very good KOSS headphones, but couldn't tell you which model it was. Sennheiser's are good too, but in my experience, they don't offer the same bass or isolation. Here are the SONY's I have used and recommend: SONY MDR-V900 SONY MDR-7506 SONY MDR-7509 http://www.joyryderecords.com/recordsequipmentmonitors.htm --Roland ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 7:58 AM Subject: [naktalk] Headphones and Rx-505 ? > I would like some good headphones for my stereo. I like to lie in bed and listen at night. > What is a good pair for less than $200 US ?? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From g_valkov at hotmail.com Fri Feb 28 18:57:12 2003 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 19:57:12 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] ReVox B215 versus Nakamichi Message-ID: I'm sorry, but isn't this stuff below the reason why Wouter set up audiotalk for such discussions ? George ----Original Message Follows---- From: kfendt at gmx.de Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] ReVox B215 versus Nakamichi Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 15:18:59 +0100 (MET) Misha, the complete name ASC was "Audio System Components" - they had nothing in common with german brand Braun which discontinued making HiFi equipment in 1991. I heard from another guy that ASC is still producing things but no HiFi components any more. The ASC decks I know are ASC AS 3000 (High Com machine), ASC 3001 (Dolby C instead) and a smaller one called AS 2001. The 300X series featured RALF for manual calibration and as far as I know it was about 3000,- DM which is something about 1500 U$ at the moment The last Braun decks I know about came from the so called "Atelier system" (slimline design) where the top deck was called C3 including tray loading, double capstan drive, double speed and Dolby C but no or only few possibilites for calibration. I think this wasn't a bad machine but the LX5 sounded better (not my opinion, but according to some older HiFi mags). The atelier series also offered CD, Tuner, TV set, Power Amp, Turntable, Receiver Find a picture of a white version here: http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3009655934&category=4787 Klaus > Hello Klaus! > > Can you tell more about ASC? Their tape machines looks really close to > Braun tape > machines, and my guess is that it was made by Braun. Unfortunately all > casstte deck > by Braun I have - 450 and 301 was made in Japan (actualy bad surprise for > me!). > Can you guess who was a manufacturer of ASC cassette deck? > And what do you think about older Braun audio products? I found that in > Germany there > still a big interests for it, but in the rest of the world people knew > only shawers by Braun... > > Thanks! > > Misha > -- > ______________________________________ > http://www.pravda.com.ua > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > -- -- Klaus Fendt Gerhart-Hauptmann-Ring 5 81737 Muenchen Tel. +49 (0) 89 634983-53 Fax. +49 (0) 89 634983-52 MailTo:kfendt at web.de MailTo:kfendt at gmx.de +++ GMX - Mail, Messaging & more http://www.gmx.net +++ Bitte l�cheln! Fotogalerie online mit GMX ohne eigene Homepage! ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From jmtooley at ce.net Fri Feb 28 19:02:23 2003 From: jmtooley at ce.net (jmtooley at ce.net) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 13:02:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Headphones and Rx-505 ? In-Reply-To: <08C9AF1F.21074754.0ACC7DC7@aol.com> References: <08C9AF1F.21074754.0ACC7DC7@aol.com> Message-ID: <1046455343.3e5fa42f0fc82@mail.ce.net> I don't think that you would be dissappionted with any of Sennheiser models! John T. Quoting JBoris4325 at aol.com: > Hello, > I would like some good headphones for my stereo. I like to lie in bed and > listen at night. > What is a good pair for less than $200 US ?? > Was looking at some Senheiser HD-280 pro on sale 1/2 off for $99.?? or HD > 585 for $79...?? > > Also What are your opinions on owning a NAk rx-505 ??? > Any comments suggestions? MAintenance issues? > > Thanks to anyone for any info. > jboris4325 at aol.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ ========= > > From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Feb 28 19:05:30 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 23:35:30 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Headphones and Rx-505 ? Message-ID: <20030228180530.696431149CA@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Fri Feb 28 20:00:04 2003 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 20:00:04 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Headphones In-Reply-To: <001401c2df4f$f2ed3ec0$8075059a@desktop> References: <08C9AF1F.21074754.0ACC7DC7@aol.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030228195725.00a9f770@box.tin.it> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lcashjr at nc.rr.com Fri Feb 28 21:02:51 2003 From: lcashjr at nc.rr.com (Sandy Cash) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 15:02:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Headphones References: <08C9AF1F.21074754.0ACC7DC7@aol.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20030228195725.00a9f770@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <003f01c2df64$5fc38d10$0300a8c0@sandpiper> You need to look at a pair of Grados for < $85 USD new...from headphone geeks I know, they are the class of the sub $200 price range, and at a reasonable cost, too. Check out www.headroom.com as well. -Sandy -- Sandy Cash Durham, NC "The time for change is here and here we are, we're just for you!" - Funkadelic ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ezio" To: Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 2:00 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Headphones > When coming to headphones ... I am in love with Audio Technica ... the OLD ATH-6 in the ordinary version .... because the version electrostatic requires speaker output ... and thus cannot fit on deck output . > > They are OPENED ! ... and you can still find (rarely) on eBay for 100-170$ max > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 7:58 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Headphones and Rx-505 ? > > > I would like some good headphones for my stereo. I like to lie in bed and listen at night. > > What is a good pair for less than $200 US ?? > > Sincerely > > Ezio Lucenti > > Ezio's e-photography site http://www.lucenti.com > > My pages about digital photography ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > From dorian.dyer at digit6.com Fri Feb 28 21:22:39 2003 From: dorian.dyer at digit6.com (Dorian Dyer) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 15:22:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Headphones In-Reply-To: <003f01c2df64$5fc38d10$0300a8c0@sandpiper> Message-ID: <001301c2df67$246db3f0$9501010a@ddyer1> The Sony MDR-V6 is popular with the folks at head-fi.org and headwize.com and can be had for under $100. They are built tough, they fold up, and come with a bag. If you replace the pads with Beyer dt-250 velour pads they become extremely comfortable unlike the Grados. Dorian Miami -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com] On Behalf Of Sandy Cash Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 3:03 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Headphones You need to look at a pair of Grados for < $85 USD new...from headphone geeks I know, they are the class of the sub $200 price range, and at a reasonable cost, too. Check out www.headroom.com as well. -Sandy -- Sandy Cash Durham, NC "The time for change is here and here we are, we're just for you!" - Funkadelic ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ezio" To: Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 2:00 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Headphones > When coming to headphones ... I am in love with Audio Technica ... the > OLD ATH-6 in the ordinary version .... because the version electrostatic requires speaker output ... and thus cannot fit on deck output . > > They are OPENED ! ... and you can still find (rarely) on eBay for > 100-170$ max > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 7:58 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Headphones and Rx-505 ? > > > I would like some good headphones for my stereo. I like to lie in > bed and listen at night. > > What is a good pair for less than $200 US ?? > > Sincerely > > Ezio Lucenti > > Ezio's e-photography site http://www.lucenti.com > > My pages about digital photography ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== ======= > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= From John at jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk Fri Feb 28 21:32:50 2003 From: John at jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 20:32:50 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Headphones and Rx-505 ? References: <08C9AF1F.21074754.0ACC7DC7@aol.com> Message-ID: <3E5FC772.8000205@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Boris 1. You must look at the Headroom Corporation homepage This gives a fabulous, enthusiastic critique of just about every headphone on the market. Choose a new set of dynamic headphones from there. or 2. Buy a pair of Stax electrostatic headphones second-hand on eBay. Older Stax headphones use an adaptor which is driven from the speaker outlets on your amplifier - you also connect your speakers up to the adaptor, which has a switch to select betwen phones or speakers. The newer Stax models have their own amp which is driven by a line level output. I bought a pair of Stax SR-30's for about US$50. The only problem is that the headphones are too revealing to use with anything other than a really good source. Your RX-505 should be up to the job, but be prepared to hear more from your recordings than ever before. John Walker JBoris4325 at aol.com wrote: >Hello, >I would like some good headphones for my stereo. I like to lie in bed and listen at night. >What is a good pair for less than $200 US ?? >Was looking at some Senheiser HD-280 pro on sale 1/2 off for $99.?? or HD 585 for $79...?? > >Also What are your opinions on owning a NAk rx-505 ??? >Any comments suggestions? MAintenance issues? > >Thanks to anyone for any info. >jboris4325 at aol.com > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > From bjgrady at pacbell.net Fri Feb 28 21:59:02 2003 From: bjgrady at pacbell.net (John) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 12:59:02 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Headphones In-Reply-To: <003f01c2df64$5fc38d10$0300a8c0@sandpiper> Message-ID: <000e01c2df6c$39d57e30$5400a8c0@SUPPORT.RENTANAPT.COM> I use a pair of Grado 125's. Reel nice w/ no discomfort over long sessions. Actually upgraded from the 80's (I think this is the name...IOW the cheaper Grados) & there is quite a big difference. +, u can hear the phone if it rings! Cal John. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of Sandy Cash Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 12:03 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Headphones You need to look at a pair of Grados for < $85 USD new...from headphone geeks I know, they are the class of the sub $200 price range, and at a reasonable cost, too. Check out www.headroom.com as well. -Sandy -- Sandy Cash Durham, NC "The time for change is here and here we are, we're just for you!" - Funkadelic ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ezio" To: Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 2:00 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Headphones > When coming to headphones ... I am in love with Audio Technica ... the OLD ATH-6 in the ordinary version .... because the version electrostatic requires speaker output ... and thus cannot fit on deck output . > > They are OPENED ! ... and you can still find (rarely) on eBay for 100-170$ max > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 7:58 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Headphones and Rx-505 ? > > > I would like some good headphones for my stereo. I like to lie in bed and listen at night. > > What is a good pair for less than $200 US ?? > > Sincerely > > Ezio Lucenti > > Ezio's e-photography site http://www.lucenti.com > > My pages about digital photography ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From smoke at snip.net Fri Feb 28 22:39:24 2003 From: smoke at snip.net (John M. Smokevitch) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 16:39:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Headphones References: <001301c2df67$246db3f0$9501010a@ddyer1> Message-ID: <3E5FD70C.416ACF6C@snip.net> I'll second the recommendation of the Sony MDR-V6's. I've been using a pair since the mid 80's and they still work excellently. Theyre not qite as spacious and resolving as my Stax Lambda Pro's, BUT you can use them anywhere you have a headphone jack available. Whereas the Stax are part of my main stereo system and are wired into the tape loop from the Spectral pre-amp. Great neutral, revealing but non-fatiguing sound, but that's the only place you can listen to them. Hope this helps. John Dorian Dyer wrote: > The Sony MDR-V6 is popular with the folks at head-fi.org and > headwize.com and can be had for under $100. They are built tough, they > fold up, and come with a bag. If you replace the pads with Beyer dt-250 > velour pads they become extremely comfortable unlike the Grados. > > Dorian > Miami > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Sandy Cash > Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 3:03 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Headphones > > You need to look at a pair of Grados for < $85 USD new...from headphone > geeks I know, they are the class of the sub $200 price range, and at a > reasonable cost, too. > > Check out www.headroom.com as well. > > -Sandy > > -- > Sandy Cash > Durham, NC > > "The time for change is here and here we are, we're just for you!" - > Funkadelic > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ezio" > To: > Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 2:00 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Headphones > > > When coming to headphones ... I am in love with Audio Technica ... the > > > OLD > ATH-6 in the ordinary version .... because the version electrostatic > requires speaker output ... and thus cannot fit on deck output . > > > > They are OPENED ! ... and you can still find (rarely) on eBay for > > 100-170$ > max > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 7:58 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] Headphones and Rx-505 ? > > > > > I would like some good headphones for my stereo. I like to lie in > > bed > and listen at night. > > > What is a good pair for less than $200 US ?? > > > > Sincerely > > > > Ezio Lucenti > > > > Ezio's e-photography site http://www.lucenti.com > > > > My pages about digital photography > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --== > ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go > here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --== > ======= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2003\2003-3.txt ************************************************************************ From c123666 at earthlink.net Sat Mar 1 00:43:27 2003 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl C) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 15:43:27 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Headphones In-Reply-To: <001301c2df67$246db3f0$9501010a@ddyer1> Message-ID: I use grado sr 125 phones and I love them. Sound fine with el cheapo head amp in receiver or with dedicated musical fidelity tube head amp. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of Dorian Dyer Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 12:23 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Headphones The Sony MDR-V6 is popular with the folks at head-fi.org and headwize.com and can be had for under $100. They are built tough, they fold up, and come with a bag. If you replace the pads with Beyer dt-250 velour pads they become extremely comfortable unlike the Grados. Dorian Miami -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com] On Behalf Of Sandy Cash Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 3:03 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Headphones You need to look at a pair of Grados for < $85 USD new...from headphone geeks I know, they are the class of the sub $200 price range, and at a reasonable cost, too. Check out www.headroom.com as well. -Sandy -- Sandy Cash Durham, NC "The time for change is here and here we are, we're just for you!" - Funkadelic ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ezio" To: Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 2:00 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Headphones > When coming to headphones ... I am in love with Audio Technica ... the > OLD ATH-6 in the ordinary version .... because the version electrostatic requires speaker output ... and thus cannot fit on deck output . > > They are OPENED ! ... and you can still find (rarely) on eBay for > 100-170$ max > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 7:58 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Headphones and Rx-505 ? > > > I would like some good headphones for my stereo. I like to lie in > bed and listen at night. > > What is a good pair for less than $200 US ?? > > Sincerely > > Ezio Lucenti > > Ezio's e-photography site http://www.lucenti.com > > My pages about digital photography ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== ======= > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From c123666 at earthlink.net Sat Mar 1 00:49:47 2003 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl C) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 15:49:47 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Headphones In-Reply-To: <000e01c2df6c$39d57e30$5400a8c0@SUPPORT.RENTANAPT.COM> Message-ID: The diff between the 80 and the 125 is quite material; mostly in the lower bass is my recollection. That is why I ponied up the extra money. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of John Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 12:59 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Headphones I use a pair of Grado 125's. Reel nice w/ no discomfort over long sessions. Actually upgraded from the 80's (I think this is the name...IOW the cheaper Grados) & there is quite a big difference. +, u can hear the phone if it rings! Cal John. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of Sandy Cash Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 12:03 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Headphones You need to look at a pair of Grados for < $85 USD new...from headphone geeks I know, they are the class of the sub $200 price range, and at a reasonable cost, too. Check out www.headroom.com as well. -Sandy -- Sandy Cash Durham, NC "The time for change is here and here we are, we're just for you!" - Funkadelic ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ezio" To: Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 2:00 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Headphones > When coming to headphones ... I am in love with Audio Technica ... the OLD ATH-6 in the ordinary version .... because the version electrostatic requires speaker output ... and thus cannot fit on deck output . > > They are OPENED ! ... and you can still find (rarely) on eBay for 100-170$ max > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 7:58 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Headphones and Rx-505 ? > > > I would like some good headphones for my stereo. I like to lie in bed and listen at night. > > What is a good pair for less than $200 US ?? > > Sincerely > > Ezio Lucenti > > Ezio's e-photography site http://www.lucenti.com > > My pages about digital photography ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From enoyes at snet.net Sat Mar 1 05:11:58 2003 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 23:11:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] nak 410 preamp ? References: <20030228000415.84219.qmail@web13508.mail.yahoo.com> <000701c2df06$0f857ec0$8f2b3b50@PcComunero> <025801c2df08$893c7b90$af3442cf@steve> <000b01c2df3d$41bb7ac0$8f2b3b50@PcComunero> Message-ID: <3E60330E.9060501@snet.net> As someone who has owned (and repaired by default) many NAD pieces, I would have to say that most are problematic to some degree to say the least. My favorite was a pre I had where the phono started cutting out after a move. Pulling the cover revealed a couple of small caps near the front end that were not even soldered at one end. This thing only worked because the wire kept some contact with the board until I moved it across town. It's typical NAD build, but I would also say that if you've got one that hasn't been a problem, and they did make a few like that, then hold onto it... they're nice sounding units that way outperform the same price competition. Of course that's because they're pretty badly built. Ed JGascon wrote: >Stephen, >Have you known any amp like NAD 3020s20 in terms of price/quality? >I think Nad have always built very cheap stuff at a reasonable quality. >Also, you can look at What Hifi or Hifi World reviews for its new line of >components C320BEE, etc. >I know this is not Hi End like the old 410... but not so bad. >Javier. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Stephen Sank" >To: >Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 10:05 AM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] nak 410 preamp ? > > > > >>God, no! NAD is & always has been mediocre to horrible, especially in >> >> >terms > > >>of build quality & reliability, where it ranks down there with Kenwood & >>Sanyo. And Creek, ugh, makes NAD look like great stuff. Abominably bad >>construction. I built more solid stuff when I was 12 years old. >> >> >Seriously. > > >>The old 410 will eat anything from NAD & Creek for breakfast, without >> >> >doubt, > > >>and terrific reliability. >> >>Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer >>Talking Dog Transducer Company >>http://stephensank.com >>5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. >>Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] (temporarily using home address, due to >>imminent shop move) >>505-332-0336 >>Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer >>Payments preferred through Paypal.com >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "JGascon" >>To: >>Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 1:47 AM >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] nak 410 preamp ? >> >> >> >> >>>Jens, >>>You can look in Creek and NAD catalogues. Both brands have >>> >>> >afordable/good > > >>>quality MM phono preamps. >>>Javier. >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Jens-M. Arndt" >>>To: >>>Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 1:04 AM >>>Subject: [naktalk] nak 410 preamp ? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>hi there, >>>> >>>>I am desperately seeking a decent phono preamp for my >>>>thorens with MM system (my new harman kardon receiver >>>>does not have any phone input...argh..) at a >>>>reasonable price, i.e. not more than 100/150 usd. >>>> >>>>there is one nak 410 for sale (but with a shocking >>>>performance record of the seller): >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3313885085&category=12050 > > >>>>any comments on the nak 410 or other suggestions are >>>>most welcome. >>>> >>>>thanks >>>>jens >>>> >>>>===== >>>>'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder >>>> >>>> >Stones, > > >>>man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides >>> >>> >hat > > >>in >> >> >>>einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. 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URL: From fflynn at adelphia.net Sat Mar 1 07:17:32 2003 From: fflynn at adelphia.net (Fran Flynn) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 01:17:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Headphones and B215 Message-ID: <3E60507C.6020304@adelphia.net> Thanks to those who answered regarding the B215. Graham Nelson pointed me to Mr. Brian Reeves who then reccommended the ReVox parts supplier in UK, who takes credit cards and ships worldwide: www.revoxservice.co.uk email brian at revoxservice.co.uk Tel: +44 (0)161 499 2349 Fax: +44 (0)161 499 9381 They can supply a Record/Play head assy for 131.61 Euro. Thanks Graham and Brian Reeves for that. As for headphones, the Koss Pro 4AA , the model sold in the early 70's is still available and IMHO one of the best sounding "set of cans" around. Actually, the model has been brought back due to popular demand. The newer version, the Pro4 AAA, is an "open air" version and not nearly as good sounding (IMHO), far too accentuated in the high frequency end and the bass is not nearly as good. I bought a new set of Pro4AA about 3 years ago to replace my set that I bought in 1973. They sound just as good as the old set did back then. They are a bit heavy and you may not want to wear them for a long time. But on the other hand, I think they are very "sonically truthful" and they sell for around $100 USD. I purchased them from the Koss website, as you might have guessed, www.koss.com (No, I don't work for Koss, I just like the Pro4AA headphones) From abz1 at comcast.net Sat Mar 1 18:37:52 2003 From: abz1 at comcast.net (Andy Zwick) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 12:37:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Bias Tune on Cassette Deck 2 Message-ID: <002501c2e019$49058d20$ac8e2b44@warn1201.mi.comcast.net> I just recently obtained a Cassette Deck 2 and would like some help with the Bias Tune feature. I understand its purpose, but since I don’t have a manual for it, I don’t know how to use it. Some brands provide a list of settings to tune it to, other brands use calibration tones and watch for meter responses; how does this one work? If there is a list, how can I obtain one? I’ve got a few emails out to folks on Ebay who have decks with manuals, but haven’t heard anything specific back yet. The deck looks and sounds great; I guess I just want to try to squeeze out the best from it, not that my tin ears would notice! Thanks in advance for your help. ;-) Andy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <3E60330E.9060501@snet.net>; from enoyes@snet.net on Fri, Feb 28, 2003 at 11:11:58PM -0500 References: <20030228000415.84219.qmail@web13508.mail.yahoo.com> <000701c2df06$0f857ec0$8f2b3b50@PcComunero> <025801c2df08$893c7b90$af3442cf@steve> <000b01c2df3d$41bb7ac0$8f2b3b50@PcComunero> <3E60330E.9060501@snet.net> Message-ID: <20030301135551.A18349@herrman.road> Before I heard all these warnings, I bought a NAD amp, pre-amp, and CD player about five years ago. The CD player is very slow with home burned cds, and always has been, perhaps in part because of its vintage, but all the pieces have been completely reliable (even after a recent move). Perhaps I got lucky, or else maybe it's because I bought b-stock material, in which initial problems had already been repaired. With these kind of build quality problems, could it be that the b-stock material, which was sold, returned, repaired, and resold, is more reliable? It's certainly much less expensive, but the warranty is shorter too. --Jud On Fri, Feb 28, 2003 at 11:11:58PM -0500, Ed Noyes wrote: > As someone who has owned (and repaired by default) many NAD pieces, I > would have to say that most are problematic to some degree to say the > least. My favorite was a pre I had where the phono started cutting out > after a move. Pulling the cover revealed a couple of small caps near the > front end that were not even soldered at one end. This thing only worked > because the wire kept some contact with the board until I moved it > across town. It's typical NAD build, but I would also say that if you've > got one that hasn't been a problem, and they did make a few like that, > then hold onto it... they're nice sounding units that way outperform the > same price competition. Of course that's because they're pretty badly > built. > > Ed > From stan.targowski at attbi.com Sat Mar 1 23:24:08 2003 From: stan.targowski at attbi.com (Stan Targowski) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 16:24:08 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Bias Tune on Cassette Deck 2 In-Reply-To: <002501c2e019$49058d20$ac8e2b44@warn1201.mi.comcast.net> Message-ID: Andy - this is trial and error. Considering that the CD2 does not offer test tones, and that it is a 2 head deck (i.e., no instant monitor feature) there is not much you can do other than repeat the cycle of "record-rewind-compare-adjust" (using your ears until happy - just make sure that the sound level of your tape and source are as close as possible, since typically the louder source tends to come across better. Some suggest that a good source is the the hiss between the FM stations. I personally just use a good recording that I am familiar with - one of my decks is CR-2 which is pretty much the same story. You could have the deck calibrated to specific tape formulations, say D-TDK for Type I, Maxell XL-II for Type II, Maxell MX-S for Type IV etc., but it has been agreed on this forum that different batches of the same brand may still need fine tuning. Stan -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of Andy Zwick Sent: Sat, March 01, 2003 11:38 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Bias Tune on Cassette Deck 2 I just recently obtained a Cassette Deck 2 and would like some help with the Bias Tune feature. I understand its purpose, but since I don’t have a manual for it, I don’t know how to use it. Some brands provide a list of settings to tune it to, other brands use calibration tones and watch for meter responses; how does this one work? If there is a list, how can I obtain one? I’ve got a few emails out to folks on Ebay who have decks with manuals, but haven’t heard anything specific back yet. The deck looks and sounds great; I guess I just want to try to squeeze out the best from it, not that my tin ears would notice! Thanks in advance for your help. ;-) Andy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 3981 bytes Desc: not available URL: From enoyes at snet.net Sun Mar 2 03:24:55 2003 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 21:24:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] nak 410 preamp ? References: <20030228000415.84219.qmail@web13508.mail.yahoo.com> <000701c2df06$0f857ec0$8f2b3b50@PcComunero> <025801c2df08$893c7b90$af3442cf@steve> <000b01c2df3d$41bb7ac0$8f2b3b50@PcComunero> <3E60330E.9060501@snet.net> <20030301135551.A18349@herrman.road> Message-ID: <3E616B77.2080706@snet.net> I too have wondered if the b stock items may be better only because someone has been through the stuff to repair issues. Of course the repair is only as good as the tech who may or may not care about actually doing an adequate job. Consider Sony's Westwood Mass repair facility where at least up to a few years ago you were quite likely to have your item come back either not properly repaired or with the problem fixed, but returned with other issues that were inflicted by the tech who did the repair in the first place! Ed Jud Herrman wrote: >Before I heard all these warnings, I bought a NAD amp, pre-amp, and CD >player about five years ago. The CD player is very slow with home >burned cds, and always has been, perhaps in part because of its >vintage, but all the pieces have been completely reliable (even after >a recent move). Perhaps I got lucky, or else maybe it's because I >bought b-stock material, in which initial problems had already been >repaired. With these kind of build quality problems, could it be that >the b-stock material, which was sold, returned, repaired, and resold, >is more reliable? It's certainly much less expensive, but the warranty >is shorter too. --Jud > >On Fri, Feb 28, 2003 at 11:11:58PM -0500, Ed Noyes wrote: > > >>As someone who has owned (and repaired by default) many NAD pieces, I >>would have to say that most are problematic to some degree to say the >>least. My favorite was a pre I had where the phono started cutting out >>after a move. Pulling the cover revealed a couple of small caps near the >>front end that were not even soldered at one end. This thing only worked >>because the wire kept some contact with the board until I moved it >>across town. It's typical NAD build, but I would also say that if you've >>got one that hasn't been a problem, and they did make a few like that, >>then hold onto it... they're nice sounding units that way outperform the >>same price competition. Of course that's because they're pretty badly >>built. >> >>Ed >> >> >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From krcrowe at telus.net Mon Mar 3 02:25:56 2003 From: krcrowe at telus.net (Roger Crowe) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 18:25:56 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] tape recommendations Message-ID: <004801c2e123$d75b8740$60ccde42@ab.hsia.telus.net> My dear friends, I have had extremely good results with Quantegy (formerly Ampex) 472 CrO2 tapes. Very nice, not too harsh, no ghosting, or print through, also reasonable; I purchase them here in Canada through a supplier for approx. $3. CDN for a C-90. 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Wouter From nicy at ya.com Mon Mar 3 15:38:57 2003 From: nicy at ya.com (JGascon) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 15:38:57 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] pfd files References: <25128.62.72.208.36.1046698901.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <000901c2e192$a451e320$8f2b3b50@PcComunero> Wouter, I think it´s a good idea. Perhaps the site will grow very fast since everybody donate his files. Javier. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 2:41 PM Subject: [naktalk] pfd files > Hi All, > > I've shutdown the support last week site and today also the ftp server. > I'm thinking of other ways to distribute the pdf files then the current > way of 'free access'. > Too many people can't resist the files and and just take all files and who > knows where they end up, Ebay? > > Maybe some kind of registration will be a good idea with a credit system > where one gets access to all manuals when an manual is donated to the site > by that user, otherwise only one manual can be obtained.... > > Wouter > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Mar 3 17:57:35 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 17:57:35 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] pfd files References: <25128.62.72.208.36.1046698901.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <000901c2e192$a451e320$8f2b3b50@PcComunero> Message-ID: <3E63897E.30318E74@xs4all.nl> Yes Javier! That's the idea! So thanks to those that took ALL manuals and brochures from the ftp and didn't donate... yet ;-). Wouter JGascon wrote: > Wouter, > I think it´s a good idea. Perhaps the site will grow very fast since > everybody donate his files. > Javier. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 2:41 PM > Subject: [naktalk] pfd files > > > Hi All, > > > > I've shutdown the support last week site and today also the ftp server. > > I'm thinking of other ways to distribute the pdf files then the current > > way of 'free access'. > > Too many people can't resist the files and and just take all files and who > > knows where they end up, Ebay? > > > > Maybe some kind of registration will be a good idea with a credit system > > where one gets access to all manuals when an manual is donated to the site > > by that user, otherwise only one manual can be obtained.... > > > > Wouter > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From croquetgod at yahoo.com Mon Mar 3 18:15:45 2003 From: croquetgod at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jens-M.=20Arndt?=) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 18:15:45 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] pfd files In-Reply-To: <25128.62.72.208.36.1046698901.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <20030303171545.71246.qmail@web13504.mail.yahoo.com> wouter, the support section of www.naks.com as well as naktalks have been a fantastic resource for me during my search for the "right" nak. with a "credit-point" system as proposed by you I would not have been in a position to download files related to my favourite naks (680 and 505) simply due to the fact that I was a newbee without anything to offer (for upload) in return. fortunately this situation has changed: I have/will receive some papers which might be worth uploading provided this is allowed: 1. nakamichi catalogue 1994 (german) 2. test report nak cr7-e (hifivision 01/87 / german) 3. test report nak cr5-e (stereo 4/86 / german) what is the procedure for uploading files? jens --- wheijke at xs4all.nl schrieb: > Hi All, > > I've shutdown the support last week site and today > also the ftp server. > I'm thinking of other ways to distribute the pdf > files then the current > way of 'free access'. > Too many people can't resist the files and and just > take all files and who > knows where they end up, Ebay? > > Maybe some kind of registration will be a good idea > with a credit system > where one gets access to all manuals when an manual > is donated to the site > by that user, otherwise only one manual can be > obtained.... > > Wouter > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei http://premiummail.yahoo.de From dbrabec at satx.rr.com Mon Mar 3 19:35:24 2003 From: dbrabec at satx.rr.com (David Brabec) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 12:35:24 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] PFD Files Message-ID: <000001c2e1b3$a780d8f0$2a93a018@scorpionmunchie> As one of the people that has downloaded a lot of the PDF files from your site - I'll say that I find the information INVALUABLE. I DO have several Nakamichi tape decks (a 700II, Cassette Deck 2, RX-505, and ZX-7 so far). I have ZERO intention of ever utilizing what I have received for FREE to make a profit - that would be immoral. However, grouping a person such as myself with others that may be profiteering is unfair. I HAVE paid for copies of manuals and will continue to do so if necessary (as I have said - they are invaluable). The fact that a person may download information for decks that he doesn't have ALSO has another reason besides profiteering - certain areas are covered better in other manuals for decks that have similar circuitry (if I remember correctly, it was the ZX-7 and Dragon that was mentioned). People will do as they will - there are enough moral police out there already, IMHO - however, I will support whatever needs to be done. I am ALL for people donating their manuals - and, if I had ANYTHING that wasn't already available - be sure, I WOULD donate it. I have an RX-505 maint manual (copy), zx-7 maint manual (copy), RX-202 maint manual (copy) - and I have a Cassette Deck 2 owners manual (original) and, if I can find it, the old Stereo Review magazine with the review of the RX-505 (if anyone wants to scan it in for upload - just tell me where to send it - I AM scanner deprived). I only noticed a couple of users on Ebay selling what may be copies of the pdf files. A person downloading files only means something if you were able to also know their intent - which, you do not. How many users of these files are there - and how many people are making copies for profit? Being in the military, I'm used to it - punish the masses for the actions of a few. I think the key is getting the word out to people. I didn't know about this site - and that was why I bought the copies. If people KNOW about the site and are able to utilize it - it removes the demand for buying ebay copies. Whatever is done, I will still be a user - and will upload anything I have that isn't already there. It's a great resource - but let's make sure people know about it, so they don't have to buy copies as I did. Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Mon Mar 3 20:03:51 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 00:33:51 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] PFD Files Message-ID: <20030303190351.5DE321149E8@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From m.pelikan at worldnet.att.net Mon Mar 3 20:04:00 2003 From: m.pelikan at worldnet.att.net (Michael P. Pelikan) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 14:04:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Howdy Duty, my Naks and support for the ftp server Message-ID: Hi - First of all, let me do my Howdy Duty - Hi there! I spent about 15 years between the early 70s & late 80s in music, radio & TV production and got to lay my hands on all kinds of wonderful equipment. I built up a fairly large collection of recorded audio material in a variety of formats and have kept (usually) at least one working copy of the hardware needed to play & record in those formats (where applicable and somewhat within reason - that is to say, I don't own a record lathe). Things have settled down enough in my circumstances now that I've finally started setting up a batch of equipment as a kind of working rig to permit me to begin to move some of my old material off of full track mono, 1/2 track mono, 1/2 track stereo, 1/4 track stereo, 4 track 1/4 inch, (etc, etc, not to mention vinyl,) to a fair "intermediate" format where it can stay until things get to the point that I (or someboody) can actually approach some kind of mass digitization project - somewhere down the road. I've admired Nakamichi gear since it first arrived in the US Market in the early and mid seventies but never owned any examples until a month or so ago, when I bought a well-preserved LX-5 on ebay. I've been wringing it out and getting to know it since then and have to say I'm very impressed with its capabilities. I believe a decent Dolby C copy on a UD-XLII grade of tape, made on my LX-5, will serve me as a reasonable working one-generation-down copy of my various "stuff". Nothing's perfect in this world, but for my purposes, a clean copy like this is really very good - and a heck of a lot better than firing up equipment even more ancient than my LX-5 and mounting a unique, often genuinely irreplaceable tape that's even more fragile than a modern cassette. So, since the LX-5 I've bought 3 more Naks: These include a CR-2a to serve as a Dolby C playback source in my working setup, a 600 to serve as a Dolby B playback source in my living room, and a 500 "as-is needs work" to put back on its feet and use to play back non-dolbyized material from fragile cassettes I don't want to have shedding themselves in my other machines. Why this combination of machines? Why not all Dolby C, or some other system? Why not go straight to digital now? Well - such are the balancing decisions one makes. For me, it's been a matter of arriving at a fair set of compromises: the characteristics of the various machines with their availability/price on ebay and the intended use of the master copies and working or playback copies of the stuff. A two-head machine will serve as a reasonable playback source. Dolby B will do for the living room and in the car, and so forth. In the process of pursuing all this, I've downloaded the owner's & service manuals for the LX-5, and, while considering other models, the user's manuals for the 480, the 580 and the 700 II. I haven't purchased these last three machines, but did download the user's manuals. So, I write today in support of Wouter's call for action against abuse of this collection of Nakamichi documentation by those who would profiteer from the collected efforts of the Naktalk group. Unfortunately, I have no Nakamichi manuals to scan and upload, but I would be happy to pay a fair price in support of the ftp server. I would much rather see $5.00 or $10.00 go to support the online member-only services of the Naktalk site than into the pockets of folks who persistently sell these manuals on ebay: you can see that they're launching their sales to follow the offerings by others of Nakamichi decks! So - even though I'm just a newbie on the Naktalk scene, please permit me to put in my lot with those calling for a fresh look at this problem. I'd very much like to have access to the users & shop manuals I need to keep my little fleet of machines running, and I'd be happy to help support a community like the Naktalk community in the process. The collected insight and expertise of this group is fantastically valuable - as much as are the manuals - let's work out a way to address the challenges of building a robust archive of both! Sorry for such a long-winded and (possibly) boring first post! Thanks and best wishes, Michael Pelikan State College, PA From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Mar 3 20:14:31 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 20:14:31 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] pfd files References: <20030303171545.71246.qmail@web13504.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3E63A997.98F8C19C@xs4all.nl> Hi Jens, Well, i can imagine it is hard for a newbee to contribute, so you can imagine a monthly download limit of 1 file or something like it. Everyone profits from others contributing also, so something like this should be in place because now there are only a few people who contrubute and have done so in the past. If you want to contribute / upload let me know and i'll direct you to a special upload account that i have to activate, you will upload to the ftp server directly then. What is also possible is to email me the document if it is not too big since some providers have a limit in email size. But i'm looking forward to your posts, like all i'm a fanatic also! Wouter "Jens-M. Arndt" wrote: > wouter, > > the support section of www.naks.com as well as > naktalks have been a fantastic resource for me during > my search for the "right" nak. > with a "credit-point" system as proposed by you I > would not have been in a position to download files > related to my favourite naks (680 and 505) simply due > to the fact that I was a newbee without anything to > offer (for upload) in return. > > fortunately this situation has changed: > > I have/will receive some papers which might be worth > uploading provided this is allowed: > 1. nakamichi catalogue 1994 (german) > 2. test report nak cr7-e (hifivision 01/87 / german) > 3. test report nak cr5-e (stereo 4/86 / german) > > what is the procedure for uploading files? > > jens > > --- wheijke at xs4all.nl schrieb: > Hi All, > > > > I've shutdown the support last week site and today > > also the ftp server. > > I'm thinking of other ways to distribute the pdf > > files then the current > > way of 'free access'. > > Too many people can't resist the files and and just > > take all files and who > > knows where they end up, Ebay? > > > > Maybe some kind of registration will be a good idea > > with a credit system > > where one gets access to all manuals when an manual > > is donated to the site > > by that user, otherwise only one manual can be > > obtained.... > > > > Wouter > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > > mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ===== > 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) > > __________________________________________________________________ > > Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de > Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei http://premiummail.yahoo.de > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From dorian.dyer at digit6.com Mon Mar 3 20:36:54 2003 From: dorian.dyer at digit6.com (Dorian Dyer) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 14:36:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] pfd files In-Reply-To: <3E63A997.98F8C19C@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <000201c2e1bc$3f258540$9501010a@ddyer1> Charging for them or limiting their downloads does nothing to stop eBay profiteers. The only way to stop the eBay scammers is by making the files so freely and widely available that it's no longer profitable to sell them. An interim eBay solution would be to post multiple dutch auctions of the most popular manuals for a buck or so...this would drive away scammers real fast. May I suggest somebody volunteer for this with proceeds going to support the Web site? I am in support of Naks.com charging a small fee for access to the downloads. Either a per document fee or an annual fee as long as the proceeds to go towards maintaining the site. Dorian From croquetgod at yahoo.com Mon Mar 3 22:28:46 2003 From: croquetgod at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jens-M.=20Arndt?=) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 22:28:46 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] pfd files In-Reply-To: <000201c2e1bc$3f258540$9501010a@ddyer1> Message-ID: <20030303212846.56314.qmail@web13507.mail.yahoo.com> dorian, I fully agree with you. the only way to stop ebay scammers is to make www.naks.com popular at the same platform, i.e. ebay. multiple dutch auctions with a low fixed price for the access to the support section of naks.com might be a solution and would also assist wouter in maintaining this great site. jens --- Dorian Dyer schrieb: > Charging for them or limiting their downloads does > nothing to stop eBay > profiteers. The only way to stop the eBay scammers > is by making the > files so freely and widely available that it's no > longer profitable to > sell them. An interim eBay solution would be to > post multiple dutch > auctions of the most popular manuals for a buck or > so...this would drive > away scammers real fast. May I suggest somebody > volunteer for this with > proceeds going to support the Web site? > > I am in support of Naks.com charging a small fee for > access to the > downloads. Either a per document fee or an annual > fee as long as the > proceeds to go towards maintaining the site. > > Dorian > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei http://premiummail.yahoo.de From dorian.dyer at digit6.com Mon Mar 3 22:58:24 2003 From: dorian.dyer at digit6.com (Dorian Dyer) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 16:58:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] pfd files In-Reply-To: <20030303212846.56314.qmail@web13507.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001201c2e1d0$041f6a10$9501010a@ddyer1> ...if the auctions are conducted 'by' or 'on behalf' of Naks.com you can: 1)stop the profiteering from files originally published on Naks.com, 2)generate revenue for Naks.com, and 3)market Naks.com to the millions of eBay eyeballs thus raising the overall awareness and visibility of the site Dorian -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com] On Behalf Of Jens-M. Arndt Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 4:29 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] pfd files dorian, I fully agree with you. the only way to stop ebay scammers is to make www.naks.com popular at the same platform, i.e. ebay. multiple dutch auctions with a low fixed price for the access to the support section of naks.com might be a solution and would also assist wouter in maintaining this great site. jens --- Dorian Dyer schrieb: > Charging for them or limiting their downloads does > nothing to stop eBay > profiteers. The only way to stop the eBay scammers > is by making the > files so freely and widely available that it's no > longer profitable to > sell them. An interim eBay solution would be to > post multiple dutch > auctions of the most popular manuals for a buck or > so...this would drive > away scammers real fast. May I suggest somebody > volunteer for this with > proceeds going to support the Web site? > > I am in support of Naks.com charging a small fee for > access to the > downloads. Either a per document fee or an annual > fee as long as the > proceeds to go towards maintaining the site. > > Dorian > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! 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URL: From khmerideth at anderson.edu Mon Mar 3 23:23:12 2003 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 17:23:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] pfd files Message-ID: If I remember correctly, Nakamichi seemed to "look the other way" on letting the www.naks.com site operate, because there was no monetary gain taking place. Since most of the manuals were not available (now even less, if any at all) I'm not sure where there would be any conflict with Nakamichi sales of (Owner's/Service) Manuals. I'm in favor of anything we can do to curtail the profiteering taking place at the expense of www.naks.com. Wouter has gone to an extreme amount of work to create this very beneficial site for all us Nak fanatics. Will support whatever is necessary to keep this site active. Hopefully, we can add more manuals/literature to somewhat controllable access site. Is there any way to code these downloads in a way that it is patently obvious where the "source" came from? Keep Nakin' Kent >>> dorian.dyer at digit6.com 03/03/03 04:58PM >>> ...if the auctions are conducted 'by' or 'on behalf' of Naks.com you can: 1)stop the profiteering from files originally published on Naks.com, 2)generate revenue for Naks.com, and 3)market Naks.com to the millions of eBay eyeballs thus raising the overall awareness and visibility of the site Dorian -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com] On Behalf Of Jens-M. Arndt Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 4:29 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] pfd files dorian, I fully agree with you. the only way to stop ebay scammers is to make www.naks.com popular at the same platform, i.e. ebay. multiple dutch auctions with a low fixed price for the access to the support section of naks.com might be a solution and would also assist wouter in maintaining this great site. jens --- Dorian Dyer schrieb: > Charging for them or limiting their downloads does > nothing to stop eBay > profiteers. The only way to stop the eBay scammers > is by making the > files so freely and widely available that it's no > longer profitable to > sell them. An interim eBay solution would be to > post multiple dutch > auctions of the most popular manuals for a buck or > so...this would drive > away scammers real fast. May I suggest somebody > volunteer for this with > proceeds going to support the Web site? > > I am in support of Naks.com charging a small fee for > access to the > downloads. Either a per document fee or an annual > fee as long as the > proceeds to go towards maintaining the site. > > Dorian > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! 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URL: From bjgrady at pacbell.net Mon Mar 3 23:34:51 2003 From: bjgrady at pacbell.net (John) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 14:34:51 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] pfd files In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000801c2e1d5$1bad2190$5400a8c0@SUPPORT.RENTANAPT.COM> What about websites that have photos that have a copy write mark usually at the bottom of the image. How about something like this, but instead of a copy write, have NakTalk or something. This way, when ever the file is printed, this also prints on the page. Just a thought although I know nothing about what type of program does this. Cal John. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kent Merideth Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 2:23 PM To: dorian.dyer at digit6.com; naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] pfd files If I remember correctly, Nakamichi seemed to "look the other way" on letting the www.naks.com site operate, because there was no monetary gain taking place. Since most of the manuals were not available (now even less, if any at all) I'm not sure where there would be any conflict with Nakamichi sales of (Owner's/Service) Manuals. I'm in favor of anything we can do to curtail the profiteering taking place at the expense of www.naks.com. Wouter has gone to an extreme amount of work to create this very beneficial site for all us Nak fanatics. Will support whatever is necessary to keep this site active. Hopefully, we can add more manuals/literature to somewhat controllable access site. Is there any way to code these downloads in a way that it is patently obvious where the "source" came from? Keep Nakin' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dbrabec at satx.rr.com Tue Mar 4 00:10:08 2003 From: dbrabec at satx.rr.com (David Brabec) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 17:10:08 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] PFD Files Message-ID: <000901c2e1da$0b20bc10$2a93a018@scorpionmunchie> Simple solution - if you are not a member - no access. The ftp server has a generic password. If we all had our own account and password, we could restrict access. Anyone found profiteering is banned. As for the money issue, a nominal fee is fine to cover costs. Nakamichi is very gracious in allowing this site to exist. Know that if they wanted to, they could make things extremely difficult for everyone. Keep a LOW profile in ANY actions taken to prevent profiteering. I mentioned in an earlier post that getting the word out is key - but I don't know that E-bay is the way to go - it is definitely NOT low profile. Nakamichi may take a VERY negative attitude towards these dutch auctions - after all, you are talking about making a profit (and covering your costs, in Nakamichi's eyes, WILL be profit!) off of information that THEY still own. I really wonder what Nakamichi thinks of these people selling the copied manuals, for profit, on E-bay. Considering the interest in their equipment and peoples desire for owners and maintenance manuals, it's surprising that Nakamichi doesn't start printing them off on a large scale (and lower price) - it would be pretty large business. IMHO, DO NOT go with any form of money making (including covering costs) just to be able to download manuals - ESPECIALLY if it is advertised (as on e-bay and such). Charging access to the site, in general, is FINE - but NOT for exclusive rights to download what still, in all essence, belongs to Nakamichi. Just some thoughts - but. I do believe if you aren't very careful, Nakamichi may change their attitude towards naks.com. Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dorian.dyer at digit6.com Tue Mar 4 01:32:42 2003 From: dorian.dyer at digit6.com (Dorian Dyer) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 19:32:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] PFD Files In-Reply-To: <000901c2e1da$0b20bc10$2a93a018@scorpionmunchie> Message-ID: <000001c2e1e5$91eddb00$6501a8c0@ddyermain> Dave I don't see how Nakamichi has any say on whether http://www.naks.com can exist. As for the manuals, I'm assuming they are in the public domain. I doubt that Nakamichi complied with U.S. copyright requirements back then. Even if Nakamichi were to restore copyrights, you would have a 12-month grace period for use of restored work after notification meaning you could continue selling existing copies or displaying the manuals for another year. Dorian -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com] On Behalf Of David Brabec Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 6:10 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] PFD Files Simple solution - if you are not a member - no access. The ftp server has a generic password. If we all had our own account and password, we could restrict access. Anyone found profiteering is banned. As for the money issue, a nominal fee is fine to cover costs. Nakamichi is very gracious in allowing this site to exist. Know that if they wanted to, they could make things extremely difficult for everyone. Keep a LOW profile in ANY actions taken to prevent profiteering. I mentioned in an earlier post that getting the word out is key - but I don't know that E-bay is the way to go - it is definitely NOT low profile. Nakamichi may take a VERY negative attitude towards these dutch auctions - after all, you are talking about making a profit (and covering your costs, in Nakamichi's eyes, WILL be profit!) off of information that THEY still own. I really wonder what Nakamichi thinks of these people selling the copied manuals, for profit, on E-bay. Considering the interest in their equipment and peoples desire for owners and maintenance manuals, it's surprising that Nakamichi doesn't start printing them off on a large scale (and lower price) - it would be pretty large business. IMHO, DO NOT go with any form of money making (including covering costs) just to be able to download manuals - ESPECIALLY if it is advertised (as on e-bay and such). Charging access to the site, in general, is FINE - but NOT for exclusive rights to download what still, in all essence, belongs to Nakamichi. Just some thoughts - but. I do believe if you aren't very careful, Nakamichi may change their attitude towards naks.com. Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From HerbChong at compuserve.com Tue Mar 4 02:36:16 2003 From: HerbChong at compuserve.com (Herb Chong) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 20:36:16 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] PFD Files Message-ID: <200303032036_MC3-1-2CDF-1F21@compuserve.com> Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com >Dave I don't see how Nakamichi has any say on whether http://www.naks.com can exist. As for the manuals, I'm assuming they are in the public domain. I doubt that Nakamichi complied with U.S. copyright requirements back then. Even if Nakamichi were to restore copyrights, you would have a 12-month grace period for use of restored work after notification meaning you could continue selling existing copies or displaying the manuals for another year. Dorian< a manual is copyright the moment it is created. it is copyrighted for a minimum of 95 years from the creation date whether it is registered or not. in some special cases, it can be extended to 120 years. Library of Congress FAQ on Duration of Copyyright. complying with requirements means that Nakimichi put their name on it. that is all it takes. Herb.... From ztiller at hotmail.com Tue Mar 4 04:18:28 2003 From: ztiller at hotmail.com (Rob Z) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 22:18:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] PFD Files Message-ID: This seems like the best solution so far. It should stop the pilfering & keep Nakamichi happy too. Let's not have the cure kill the patient. Zabo >From: "David Brabec" >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: >Subject: [naktalk] PFD Files >Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 17:10:08 -0600 > > Simple solution - if you are not a member - no access. The >ftp server has a generic password. If we all had our own account and >password, we could restrict access. Anyone found profiteering is banned. >As for the money issue, a nominal fee is fine to cover costs. > Nakamichi is very gracious in allowing this site to exist. >Know that if they wanted to, they could make things extremely difficult >for everyone. Keep a LOW profile in ANY actions taken to prevent >profiteering. I mentioned in an earlier post that getting the word out >is key - but I don't know that E-bay is the way to go - it is definitely >NOT low profile. Nakamichi may take a VERY negative attitude towards >these dutch auctions - after all, you are talking about making a profit >(and covering your costs, in Nakamichi's eyes, WILL be profit!) off of >information that THEY still own. > I really wonder what Nakamichi thinks of these people >selling the copied manuals, for profit, on E-bay. Considering the >interest in their equipment and peoples desire for owners and >maintenance manuals, it's surprising that Nakamichi doesn't start >printing them off on a large scale (and lower price) - it would be >pretty large business. > > IMHO, DO NOT go with any form of money making (including >covering costs) just to be able to download manuals - ESPECIALLY if it >is advertised (as on e-bay and such). Charging access to the site, in >general, is FINE - but NOT for exclusive rights to download what still, >in all essence, belongs to Nakamichi. > > Just some thoughts - but. I do believe if you aren't very >careful, Nakamichi may change their attitude towards naks.com. > > Dave _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dorian.dyer at digit6.com Tue Mar 4 04:18:37 2003 From: dorian.dyer at digit6.com (Dorian Dyer) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 22:18:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] PFD Files In-Reply-To: <200303032036_MC3-1-2CDF-1F21@compuserve.com> Message-ID: <000a01c2e1fc$bf9c1280$6501a8c0@ddyermain> Thanks Herb. I was looking for an angle being that the manuals were probably written and printed in Japan...wasn't sure that US Copyright was automatically granted. Dorian -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com] On Behalf Of Herb Chong Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 8:36 PM To: INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] PFD Files Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com >Dave I don't see how Nakamichi has any say on whether http://www.naks.com can exist. As for the manuals, I'm assuming they are in the public domain. I doubt that Nakamichi complied with U.S. copyright requirements back then. Even if Nakamichi were to restore copyrights, you would have a 12-month grace period for use of restored work after notification meaning you could continue selling existing copies or displaying the manuals for another year. Dorian< a manual is copyright the moment it is created. it is copyrighted for a minimum of 95 years from the creation date whether it is registered or not. in some special cases, it can be extended to 120 years. Library of Congress FAQ on Duration of Copyyright. complying with requirements means that Nakimichi put their name on it. that is all it takes. Herb.... ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From greynolds at newsguy.com Tue Mar 4 04:19:48 2003 From: greynolds at newsguy.com (greynolds at newsguy.com) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 22:19:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] PDF Files References: <000901c2e1da$0b20bc10$2a93a018@scorpionmunchie> Message-ID: <003601c2e1fc$fbe78ee0$6401a8c0@reynoldsg2kpro> Why not take a poll of the NakTalk members to see what they want to do? Certainly the people who have donated the scans of the manuals should have some say in what happens to them. Personally, I'm comfortable with how things were. No matter what you do (short of completely removing the scans from the web), someone is going to find a way to get them to use them for profit. Making it difficult just punishes those of us who are using them for legitimate uses (not for profit). Perhaps we could start reporting the auctions of the copied manuals to ebay - I believe those are against ebay listing rules. -- Geoffrey Reynolds http://www.geocities.com/landrovah/crestron.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wdrewes at iafrica.com Tue Mar 4 07:09:05 2003 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wdrewes) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 08:09:05 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Manuals Message-ID: <002501c2e214$93ccefe0$81231ec4@private> I would have thought that the manual site was there to promote Nakamichi Cassette decks of old.What is the problem if people copy them for resale? Surely this promotes these classic machines! Is that not what we all want?The more people in the world that have access to Nak information the better for everyone !Just think that through calmly . I have bought numereous COPY MANUALS on eBay and I can assure you they did not originate from the manual site! They were far too clear and even had the printers marks/letters on the copy spine ! Gentleman there are thousands of Nak fans out there that dont even know of Naktalk.A surprising high number of them have collections of manuals they bought on dispersal of servicesales .I am repeatedly surprised at the number of nak owners I communicate with( trying to satisfy my Nakamichi desease )who are unaware of the site.We cannot claim that any copy on sale comes from the manual site and if it should do IT PROMOTES NAKAMICHI by definition ! Why should we or any body else get our knickers in a knot of copying the manuals when in the first place the ones on the site have similarly been copied by us.What does Schaltungsdienst Lange in Berlin( for instance) have to say about the site doing their business harm by us being able to download freely from the manual site? They could also complain about the fairness of it all .They have invested big$ to offer the ecellent service. Not only US law applies but other country's laws as well.The picture is far bigger than we think ! I genuinely think there is no harm in people promoting (indirectly or directly) the cause of the old machines for profit or otherwise by selling these copies from whichever source these have been obtained !Let us not be too selfrighteous ! I will also be mailing thru pdf files as soon as i get help from my IT guys as I am too stupid to do this myself ! 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URL: From croquetgod at yahoo.com Tue Mar 4 15:07:38 2003 From: croquetgod at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jens-M.=20Arndt?=) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 15:07:38 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] ebay: Nak Decks & Accessories Prices February 2003 Message-ID: <20030304140738.37370.qmail@web13504.mail.yahoo.com> Hello there, below please find a summary of the nak auctions on ebay (mainly germany but also US and a few UK auctions) i monitored in february. - good/mint condition decks only - all prices are shown in USD (Euro, CHF and GBP have been converted at preveiling RoE's) - ebay auctions ending in february 2003 only Nak Type No sold Low High Average 1000 II 1 320.00 320.00 320.00 1000 TriTracer 2 225.75 275.31 250.53 480 1 86.67 86.67 68.67 481Z 1 72.00 72.00 72.00 482Z 1 73.00 73.00 73.00 582 2 109.15 195.81 152.48 670ZX 1 220.42 220.42 220.42 680ZX 5 216.14 396.97 319.53 700 TriTracer 1 117.71 117.71 117.71 BX1 2 48.49 65.27 56.88 BX100 2 27.29 65.27 46.28 BX125 6 43.35 73.83 57.16 BX150 2 58.85 88.33 73.59 BX300 8 70.62 150.87 111.07 Cassette Deck 1.5 1 109.77 109.77 109.77 Cassette Deck 2 2 127.10 263.50 195.30 CR1 1 59.92 59.92 59.92 CR2 2 40.17 110.21 75.19 CR4 8 134.82 268.57 181.74 CR5 1 204.49 204.49 204.49 CR7 5 434.42 811.00 588.67 DM10 2 49.99 56.02 53.01 DR3 1 159.00 159.00 159.00 DR8 1 267.50 267.50 267.50 Dragon 11 416.23 909.50 688.70 Highcomm II 5 81.33 267.50 187.04 LX5 5 141.24 200.09 169.27 NR200 1 118.77 118.77 118.77 RM 200 2 123.50 202.50 163.00 RX202 6 100.00 273.92 211.87 RX303 2 264.00 326.35 295.18 RX505 11 295.00 640.93 420.04 ZX7 4 330.00 377.18 345.29 ZX9 2 535.00 653.77 594.39 ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei http://premiummail.yahoo.de From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Mar 4 16:56:33 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 22:56:33 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] ebay: Nak Decks & Accessories Prices February 2003 References: <20030304140738.37370.qmail@web13504.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000f01c2e266$a1c85ec0$b9199bca@smarzuki> Excellent summary Jens ! Can't believe the high turnover of Naks in Deutscheland, and you guys have good taste too =) most popular Dragon and RX505 followed by CR4 and BX300. Interestingly I just read that Germans absorb more of Japanese (and of course Swiss) 'high tech' during hifi golden years of 70-80 compared to UK. So German ebay would be the right place to look for rare goodies ! Off topic: is this Revox H-deck any good compared to previous ones ? Drei kopfen and so on. http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3011079569&category=4784 And I'm very interested to get this one .... would appreciate any comment off naktalk. http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3011084328&category=4784 Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Jens-M. Arndt To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 9:07 PM Subject: [naktalk] ebay: Nak Decks & Accessories Prices February 2003 Hello there, below please find a summary of the nak auctions on ebay (mainly germany but also US and a few UK auctions) i monitored in february. - good/mint condition decks only - all prices are shown in USD (Euro, CHF and GBP have been converted at preveiling RoE's) - ebay auctions ending in february 2003 only Nak Type No sold Low High Average 1000 II 1 320.00 320.00 320.00 1000 TriTracer 2 225.75 275.31 250.53 From buhannic.luc at wanadoo.fr Tue Mar 4 19:06:16 2003 From: buhannic.luc at wanadoo.fr (Luc Buhannic) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 19:06:16 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] (no subject) Message-ID: I need to have my Nakamichi 480 Z fix up. Does anyone knows if there is someone able to do it in the Paris Area? (France). Thanks for any help From kannan_s at vsnl.com Tue Mar 4 19:15:18 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 23:45:18 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] (no subject) Message-ID: <20030304181518.A4DE9114940@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From John at jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk Tue Mar 4 23:06:07 2003 From: John at jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 22:06:07 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] PFD Files References: <000901c2e1da$0b20bc10$2a93a018@scorpionmunchie> Message-ID: <3E65234F.7070209@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> We cannot try to sell, as a group, information that is copyrighted by Nakamichi. And there is no way that Nakamichi is going to see this as a big business opportunity. IMHO, the group has to: 1. make 'naktalk' the obvious place for the material that we are prepared to share; 2. stop worrying about people making a profit from such information. There is very little we can do to stop someone getting access to the material, and then trying to sell if for a profit. We just have to make Naktalk better, and easier to get to. John Walker David Brabec wrote: > Simple solution  if you are not a member  no access. The ftp server > has a generic password. If we all had our own account and password, we > could restrict access. Anyone found profiteering is banned. As for the > money issue, a nominal fee is fine to cover costs. > > Nakamichi is very gracious in allowing this site to exist. Know that > if they wanted to, they could make things extremely difficult for > everyone. Keep a LOW profile in ANY actions taken to prevent > profiteering. I mentioned in an earlier post that getting the word out > is key  but I dont know that E-bay is the way to go  it is > definitely NOT low profile. Nakamichi may take a VERY negative > attitude towards these dutch auctions  after all, you are talking > about making a profit (and covering your costs, in Nakamichis eyes, > WILL be profit!) off of information that THEY still own. > > I really wonder what Nakamichi thinks of these people selling the > copied manuals, for profit, on E-bay. Considering the interest in > their equipment and peoples desire for owners and maintenance manuals, > its surprising that Nakamichi doesnt start printing them off on a > large scale (and lower price)  it would be pretty large business. > > IMHO, DO NOT go with any form of money making (including covering > costs) just to be able to download manuals  ESPECIALLY if it is > advertised (as on e-bay and such). Charging access to the site, in > general, is FINE  but NOT for exclusive rights to download what > still, in all essence, belongs to Nakamichi. > > Just some thoughts  but& I do believe if you arent very careful, > Nakamichi may change their attitude towards naks.com. > > Dave > From kfendt at gmx.de Wed Mar 5 08:12:37 2003 From: kfendt at gmx.de (kfendt at gmx.de) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 08:12:37 +0100 (MET) Subject: [naktalk] ebay: Nak Decks & Accessories Prices February 2003 References: <000f01c2e266$a1c85ec0$b9199bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <20160.1046848357@www9.gmx.net> Hi Salim, the ReVox deck H11 is known as a cheap ReVox cassette deck looks beautiful but can't be compared with B 215 (S). OF course a three head eck but but the main disadvantage is: No external calibration possible. If you are looking for a ReVox H deck the machine of your choice could be H 1. This one is a beautified B 215 Klaus > > > Off topic: is this Revox H-deck any good compared to previous ones ? Drei > kopfen and so on. > http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3011079569&category=4784 > > And I'm very interested to get this one .... would appreciate any comment > off naktalk. > http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3011084328&category=4784 > > Cheers, > Salim SM > -- Klaus Fendt Gerhart-Hauptmann-Ring 5 81737 Muenchen Tel. +49 (0) 89 634983-contact-me-first Fax. +49 (0) 89 634983-contact-me-first +++ GMX - Mail, Messaging & more http://www.gmx.net +++ Bitte lächeln! Fotogalerie online mit GMX ohne eigene Homepage! From wheijke at xs4all.nl Wed Mar 5 11:32:52 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (wheijke at xs4all.nl) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 11:32:52 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] PFD Files In-Reply-To: <3E65234F.7070209@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> References: <000901c2e1da$0b20bc10$2a93a018@scorpionmunchie> <3E65234F.7070209@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <21349.62.72.208.36.1046860372.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Basically the reason why it is hard to get the pdf files is that Nakamichi won't get the idea they are 'out there' and easy to get.. Long time ago Hideo Goto (former Nak technician) advised me to do it this way, then Nakamichi wouldn't make much of a problem friends of him @ Nakamichi told him... it is basically a service Dutch distributer Transtec also had/has, they once made a photocopy of the 582 manual for me and send it to me FREE by mail! In a way providing the pdf files saves them work. The main 'rule' is that people keep the pdf files for their 'personal use' only, so adding such a 'licence agreement' when downloading files in the future will be a good thought also. Wouter > We cannot try to sell, as a group, information that is copyrighted by > Nakamichi. And there is no way that Nakamichi is going to see this as a > big business opportunity. > IMHO, the group has to: > 1. make 'naktalk' the obvious place for the material that we are > prepared to share; > 2. stop worrying about people making a profit from such information. > There is very little we can do to stop someone getting access to the > material, and then trying to sell if for a profit. We just have to make > Naktalk better, and easier to get to. > John Walker > > David Brabec wrote: > >> Simple solution  if you are not a member  no access. The ftp server >> has a generic password. If we all had our own account and password, we >> could restrict access. Anyone found profiteering is banned. As for the >> money issue, a nominal fee is fine to cover costs. >> >> Nakamichi is very gracious in allowing this site to exist. Know that >> if they wanted to, they could make things extremely difficult for >> everyone. Keep a LOW profile in ANY actions taken to prevent >> profiteering. I mentioned in an earlier post that getting the word out >> is key  but I dont know that E-bay is the way to go  it is >> definitely NOT low profile. Nakamichi may take a VERY negative >> attitude towards these dutch auctions  after all, you are talking >> about making a profit (and covering your costs, in Nakamichis eyes, >> WILL be profit!) off of information that THEY still own. >> >> I really wonder what Nakamichi thinks of these people selling the >> copied manuals, for profit, on E-bay. Considering the interest in >> their equipment and peoples desire for owners and maintenance manuals, >> its surprising that Nakamichi doesnt start printing them off on a >> large scale (and lower price)  it would be pretty large business. >> >> IMHO, DO NOT go with any form of money making (including covering >> costs) just to be able to download manuals  ESPECIALLY if it is >> advertised (as on e-bay and such). Charging access to the site, in >> general, is FINE  but NOT for exclusive rights to download what >> still, in all essence, belongs to Nakamichi. >> >> Just some thoughts  but& I do believe if you arent very careful, >> Nakamichi may change their attitude towards naks.com. >> >> Dave >> > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Mar 5 14:12:12 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 20:12:12 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] ebay: Nak Decks & Accessories Prices February 2003 References: <000f01c2e266$a1c85ec0$b9199bca@smarzuki> <20160.1046848357@www9.gmx.net> Message-ID: <001a01c2e31b$7a240bc0$a2199bca@smarzuki> Hi Klaus, Thanks for the deck info ! I also learned that the H Tuner is a digital sattelite one instead regular FM tuner. Why is it there are so many B760 & 260 on Deutsche ebay but very few B261 ? BTW do you subscribe to audiotalk too ? Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: kfendt at gmx.de To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 2:12 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay: Nak Decks & Accessories Prices February 2003 Hi Salim, the ReVox deck H11 is known as a cheap ReVox cassette deck looks beautiful but can't be compared with B 215 (S). OF course a three head eck but but the main disadvantage is: No external calibration possible. If you are looking for a ReVox H deck the machine of your choice could be H 1. This one is a beautified B 215 Klaus > > > Off topic: is this Revox H-deck any good compared to previous ones ? Drei > kopfen and so on. > http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3011079569&category=4784 > > And I'm very interested to get this one .... would appreciate any comment > off naktalk. > http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3011084328&category=4784 > > Cheers, > Salim SM > -- Klaus Fendt Gerhart-Hauptmann-Ring 5 81737 Muenchen Tel. +49 (0) 89 634983-contact-me-first Fax. +49 (0) 89 634983-contact-me-first From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Mar 5 18:11:28 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 12:11:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] nak 410 preamp ? References: <20030228000415.84219.qmail@web13508.mail.yahoo.com> <000701c2df06$0f857ec0$8f2b3b50@PcComunero> <025801c2df08$893c7b90$af3442cf@steve> Message-ID: <3E662FC0.847E8A08@rcn.com> It seems I am forever doomed to argue with Stephen :-). I have a Creek OBH-8 phono stage. Construction is very simple, but by no means particularly bad. I took the PCB out of the box and mounted it inside my ReVox base. The PCB build quality is at least average (G-10 board, fully discrete, reasonable quality components), maybe better than average. I powered it from the ReVox TT supply, with extra filtering but no additional regulation. I agree the sound is not world class, but at least as good as any phono stage at this price point and better than some. I would love to replace it with the DACT phono stage, that consists of a PCB, ready to mount into a TT base. It's specs are out of this world and those that heard it gush with praise, but the outrageous price (about $650) is out of the question. Maybe after the war... -- Ron Stephen Sank wrote: > > God, no! NAD is & always has been mediocre to horrible, especially in terms > of build quality & reliability, where it ranks down there with Kenwood & > Sanyo. And Creek, ugh, makes NAD look like great stuff. Abominably bad > construction. I built more solid stuff when I was 12 years old. Seriously. > The old 410 will eat anything from NAD & Creek for breakfast, without doubt, > and terrific reliability. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer > Talking Dog Transducer Company > http://stephensank.com > 5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] (temporarily using home address, due to > imminent shop move) > 505-332-0336 > Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer > Payments preferred through Paypal.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JGascon" > To: > Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 1:47 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] nak 410 preamp ? > > > Jens, > > You can look in Creek and NAD catalogues. Both brands have afordable/good > > quality MM phono preamps. > > Javier. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jens-M. Arndt" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 1:04 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] nak 410 preamp ? > > > > > > > hi there, > > > > > > I am desperately seeking a decent phono preamp for my > > > thorens with MM system (my new harman kardon receiver > > > does not have any phone input...argh..) at a > > > reasonable price, i.e. not more than 100/150 usd. > > > > > > there is one nak 410 for sale (but with a shocking > > > performance record of the seller): > > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3313885085&category=12050 > > > > > > any comments on the nak 410 or other suggestions are > > > most welcome. > > > > > > thanks > > > jens > > > > > > ===== > > > 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, > > man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat > in > > einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry > > Rowohlt) > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de > > > Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei http://premiummail.yahoo.de > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Mar 5 18:19:10 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 12:19:10 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Headphones and Rx-505 ? References: <08C9AF1F.21074754.0ACC7DC7@aol.com> Message-ID: <3E66318E.2538FD8F@rcn.com> If you like to listen while lying in bed, you may wish to look at the Senheiser RS-80 cordless phones. -- Ron JBoris4325 at aol.com wrote: > > Hello, > I would like some good headphones for my stereo. I like to lie in bed and listen at night. > What is a good pair for less than $200 US ?? > Was looking at some Senheiser HD-280 pro on sale 1/2 off for $99.?? or HD 585 for $79...?? > > Also What are your opinions on owning a NAk rx-505 ??? > Any comments suggestions? MAintenance issues? > > Thanks to anyone for any info. > jboris4325 at aol.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Mar 5 18:21:25 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 12:21:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Headphones References: <08C9AF1F.21074754.0ACC7DC7@aol.com> <001401c2df4f$f2ed3ec0$8075059a@desktop> Message-ID: <3E663215.FED12DC5@rcn.com> Add to that the Sony MDR-V6. Not the best, but certainly worth the money. I got mine new, for about $60. -- Ron > Roland Alford wrote: > > There are few things by SONY that I would recommend. But when it > comes to headphones, they offer a very good product for the > money. > > Many recording studios use these, and after trying them, I can see > why. The three models below can all be had for well under $200.00 > on E-bay, brand new. > > They provide great isolation along with good bass response. > > I have also heard some very good KOSS headphones, but couldn't > tell you which model it was. > > Sennheiser's are good too, but in my experience, they don't offer > the same bass or isolation. > > Here are the SONY's I have used and recommend: > > SONY MDR-V900 > > SONY MDR-7506 > > SONY MDR-7509 > > http://www.joyryderecords.com/recordsequipmentmonitors.htm > > --Roland > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 7:58 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Headphones and Rx-505 ? > > > I would like some good headphones for my stereo. I like to lie > in bed and listen at night. > > What is a good pair for less than $200 US ?? From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Mar 5 18:38:15 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 12:38:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] pfd files References: <25128.62.72.208.36.1046698901.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <3E663607.90B0AA78@rcn.com> Wouter, I would be sorry if you remove free access to the support site. To be honest, I have downloaded manuals as the need arose. Unfortunately, I have nothing to upload. I do try to help people in this hobby, in any other way I can, on this email list and elsewhere. Needless to say, I have never taken advantage of material I downloaded. I doubt any regular members have. Too bad we will all lose because some unscrupulous people have taken unfair advantage of the site. -- Ron wheijke at xs4all.nl wrote: > > Hi All, > > I've shutdown the support last week site and today also the ftp server. > I'm thinking of other ways to distribute the pdf files then the current > way of 'free access'. > Too many people can't resist the files and and just take all files and who > knows where they end up, Ebay? > > Maybe some kind of registration will be a good idea with a credit system > where one gets access to all manuals when an manual is donated to the site > by that user, otherwise only one manual can be obtained.... > > Wouter > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roleo at telus.net Wed Mar 5 19:07:03 2003 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 10:07:03 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] pfd files References: <25128.62.72.208.36.1046698901.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <3E663607.90B0AA78@rcn.com> Message-ID: <001101c2e342$066d7aa0$8075059a@desktop> Couple of other options: 1. We could go on an e-mail campaign of prospective buyers of manuals as bids are placed on such auctions and let them know where they can get it for free (provided the web pages go back on line). Granted this will be time consuming, but it could drive the profiters out of business. 2. If Wouter was kind enough to put the pages back up for a limited time, say a week, we as a group could download anything we may need for our present or future use, and this we will all have access to the information for our own use in the future. We could always trade via e-mail in the future. 3. We could download all files to a CD ROM and make them available to any NakTalk members at cost, so no profit is entailed. Just suggestions... --Roland ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 9:38 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] pfd files > Wouter, > > I would be sorry if you remove free access to the support > site. To be honest, I have downloaded manuals as the need > arose. Unfortunately, I have nothing to upload. I do try > to help people in this hobby, in any other way I can, on > this email list and elsewhere. > > Needless to say, I have never taken advantage of material I > downloaded. I doubt any regular members have. Too bad we > will all lose because some unscrupulous people have taken > unfair advantage of the site. > > -- Ron > > > wheijke at xs4all.nl wrote: > > > > Hi All, > > > > I've shutdown the support last week site and today also the ftp server. > > I'm thinking of other ways to distribute the pdf files then the current > > way of 'free access'. > > Too many people can't resist the files and and just take all files and who > > knows where they end up, Ebay? > > > > Maybe some kind of registration will be a good idea with a credit system > > where one gets access to all manuals when an manual is donated to the site > > by that user, otherwise only one manual can be obtained.... > > > > Wouter > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > From dbrabec at satx.rr.com Thu Mar 6 01:36:45 2003 From: dbrabec at satx.rr.com (David Brabec) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 18:36:45 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Azimuth Alignment Message-ID: <000001c2e378$792ba7c0$2a93a018@scorpionmunchie> Just received my ZX-7 - and all is well, except for the azimuth alignment - it does.nothing at all :-( All appears in order - the azimuth alignment wire is connected and such. Other than what the maint manuals says about this - is there supposed to be a TON of extra wire - or is it supposed to be taught? The wire is connected fine to everything - the adjustment itself and the wire hold plate. I turn the alignment knob - and nothing at all changes - no movement anywhere in the assembly that I can see - and, of course, during actual tape alignment, the light on the right stays lit until the very end of movement (sometimes). IS all still well and I should just follow the procedure in the maint manual to adjust azimuth (center the knob, run the cal procedure and use the head height and azimuth adjustment in the transport to align, and then adjust the resistors to show alignment). I dunno..but would love to get this fixed as everything else is just perfect - sounds great, playback levels are spot on, ALL the parts are there, and.I paid.a song :-) Also picked up a Yamaha KX-1200U - okay, it's not a Nak.but..still a nice deck. Any help much appreciated! 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Name: not available URL: From dbrabec at satx.rr.com Thu Mar 6 03:28:51 2003 From: dbrabec at satx.rr.com (David Brabec) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 20:28:51 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: ZX-7 Alignment Message-ID: <000a01c2e388$2095f0b0$2a93a018@scorpionmunchie> Kannan, I got it working - the record head was just off. Followed the procedures in the maint manual and it is working.beautifully. Amazing deck! The test tapes and such are not required for the record head (according to the manual) - you just peak the decks tones with a VTVM (which I do have). Wish I had all the tapes for my other decks - but.maybe when I am rich. Would love to get my 505 perfect. The ZX-7 is.perfect (okay..it's missing the clear window in the cassette door). Paid $250 for it.and it was such an easy fix! Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jamesbakner at yahoo.com Thu Mar 6 06:38:54 2003 From: jamesbakner at yahoo.com (James bakner) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 21:38:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RE: [naktalk]That's CDII cassettes In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201E90@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <20030306053854.86051.qmail@web40312.mail.yahoo.com> Have any of you used That's CDII blank cassettes? I received a lot of them that I won off of E bay. I used them for the first time to dub my copy of the Alan Parsons Project cassette. Now, I do not have two Naks in the same system so the dub went from a DR-3 to a Yamaha KX-630 (Three head, single capstan), but for my first impression, I liked the sound better than Maxell XL II. I also like the look of the That's cassette shell with the triangular window........ I also got one of those test tone generator CDs off of E bay. The 14khz track is great for setting the bias on the "inexpensive" decks that I own that do not have tone generators.....I record a segment of 14khz tone at -20 on the level meters until the -10 level lights just barely flicker. I tune the bias until, on playback, the -10 lights barely flicker, the way they flicker when I record the segment of tone. I need to save up for a three head Nak...... The process is much faster on a three head machine than rewinding and playing back with a two head machine....... We'll talk to you later, James __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From kfendt at gmx.de Thu Mar 6 08:15:20 2003 From: kfendt at gmx.de (kfendt at gmx.de) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 08:15:20 +0100 (MET) Subject: [naktalk] ebay: Nak Decks & Accessories Prices February 2003 References: <001a01c2e31b$7a240bc0$a2199bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <30861.1046934920@www33.gmx.net> Hi salim, there is also a "normal" FM Tuner available within the H-series: H6. I checked my "ReVox series" site and found that the "Digitial Satellite Radio" tuner was called H7. This machine was build up to 1992. I am really surprised that there are so many B 260 tuners available on german eBay because in my opinion this one is the best ReVox tuner ever on the the market. Of course I like my B 261 and do not think about selling. The probabgle reason of selling many B 760 could be that this machines are rather old and the guys would like to buy a more modern RDS machine - whon knows? Klaus PS. I didn't sign up in "audiotalk" because there would be too many mails I am probably not interessted and it would waste too much time scanning and deleting them. Perhaps it would be nice to split this one up into more detailed themes: I would like to sign up a kind of ReVox talk because I am interessted in themes concerning theses one. If you want to ask me more questions feel free contacting me off-list. > > Hi Klaus, > > Thanks for the deck info ! I also learned that the H Tuner is a digital > sattelite one instead regular FM tuner. Why is it there are so many B760 > & > 260 on Deutsche ebay but very few B261 ? BTW do you subscribe to > audiotalk > too ? > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: kfendt at gmx.de > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 2:12 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay: Nak Decks & Accessories Prices February 2003 > > > Hi Salim, > > the ReVox deck H11 is known as a cheap ReVox cassette deck looks beautiful > but can't be compared with B 215 (S). OF course a three head eck but but > the > main disadvantage is: No external calibration possible. If you are looking > for > a ReVox H deck the machine of your choice could be H 1. This one is a > beautified B 215 > -- Klaus Fendt Gerhart-Hauptmann-Ring 5 81737 Muenchen Tel. +49 (0) 89 634983-contact-me-first Fax. +49 (0) 89 634983-contact-me-first +++ GMX - Mail, Messaging & more http://www.gmx.net +++ Bitte lächeln! Fotogalerie online mit GMX ohne eigene Homepage! From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Mar 6 09:11:39 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 08:11:39 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: ZX-7 Alignment In-Reply-To: <000a01c2e388$2095f0b0$2a93a018@scorpionmunchie> Message-ID: <001301c2e3b8$03924380$a861893e@oemcomputer> Dave Other will correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think there is supposed to be a clear window on the door. I put one in on my ZX9 - made it by cutting a sheet from an old CD case. Graham -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of David Brabec Sent: 06 March 2003 02:29 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: ZX-7 Alignment Kannan, I got it working – the record head was just off. Followed the procedures in the maint manual and it is working beautifully. Amazing deck! The test tapes and such are not required for the record head (according to the manual) – you just peak the decks tones with a VTVM (which I do have). Wish I had all the tapes for my other decks – but maybe when I am rich. Would love to get my 505 perfect. The ZX-7 is perfect (okay..it’s missing the clear window in the cassette door). Paid $250 for it and it was such an easy fix! Dave --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release Date: 25/02/03 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Mar 6 09:11:42 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 08:11:42 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] ebay: Nak Decks & Accessories Prices February 2003 In-Reply-To: <30861.1046934920@www33.gmx.net> Message-ID: <001801c2e3b8$054fd200$a861893e@oemcomputer> Klaus I have received many more posts from NakTalk than audiotalk since it was set up, so don't let that put you off! :o) Graham > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > kfendt at gmx.de > Sent: 06 March 2003 07:15 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay: Nak Decks & Accessories Prices February > 2003 > > > Hi salim, > > there is also a "normal" FM Tuner available within the H-series: H6. I > checked my "ReVox series" site and found that the "Digitial > Satellite Radio" tuner > was called H7. This machine was build up to 1992. > > I am really surprised that there are so many B 260 tuners available on > german eBay because in my opinion this one is the best ReVox > tuner ever on the the > market. Of course I like my B 261 and do not think about selling. The > probabgle reason of selling many B 760 could be that this > machines are rather old > and the guys would like to buy a more modern RDS machine - whon knows? > > Klaus > > PS. I didn't sign up in "audiotalk" because there would be too > many mails I > am probably not interessted and it would waste too much time scanning and > deleting them. Perhaps it would be nice to split this one up into > more detailed > themes: I would like to sign up a kind of ReVox talk because I am > interessted > in themes concerning theses one. > > If you want to ask me more questions feel free contacting me off-list. > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release Date: 25/02/03 From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu Mar 6 09:20:27 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (wheijke at xs4all.nl) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 09:20:27 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] Re: ZX-7 Alignment In-Reply-To: <001301c2e3b8$03924380$a861893e@oemcomputer> References: <000a01c2e388$2095f0b0$2a93a018@scorpionmunchie> <001301c2e3b8$03924380$a861893e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <25204.62.72.208.36.1046938827.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Grahan, Dave, You're not wrong, there is no window in ZX7 or 9! I also thought is was missing in my ZX7 when i gust got it, but NO it is supposed to be like this! Wouter > Dave > > Other will correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think there is supposed to > be > a clear window on the door. I put one in on my ZX9 - made it by cutting a > sheet from an old CD case. > > Graham > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > David Brabec > Sent: 06 March 2003 02:29 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Re: ZX-7 Alignment > > > Kannan, > > > > I got it working – the record head was just off. Followed > the > procedures in the maint manual and it is working beautifully. Amazing > deck! > The test tapes and such are not required for the record head (according to > the manual) – you just peak the decks tones with a VTVM (which I do have). > Wish I had all the tapes for my other decks – but maybe when I am rich. > Would love to get my 505 perfect. > > > > The ZX-7 is perfect (okay..it’s missing the clear window in > the cassette door). Paid $250 for it and it was such an easy fix! > > > > > > Dave > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release Date: 25/02/03 > From craven3_99 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 6 09:37:34 2003 From: craven3_99 at yahoo.com (craven3) Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 03:37:34 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 Woes! Message-ID: <3E6708CE.2040309@yahoo.com> Hello All, Recently, I won an MR-1 from eBay. I was told the deck "FF, RR and would play a tape". That was true for a couple of tries. Now when I press a transport button, nothing happens except for the play, pause and stop button lights flash in an alternating fashion like the deck is confused. Sometimes, which is rare, the function works correctly although I notice that more with FF or RR. I pulled the cassette well cover off over the reels and noticed the rubber idler wheel was replaced with the cam upgrade thinking that was the problem. Someone mentioned in an earlier post about the three contacts on the function selector motor being dirty. Could this be the problem? Regards, Gary J. From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Mar 6 10:07:37 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 16:07:37 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 Woes! Message-ID: <6841a67f5b.67f5b6841a@indosat.net.id> Hi Gary, You're right on, it's either the contacts or the mode cam motor (the little one driving the cam + contacts). Stephen can tell the difference but I'll just do both when faced with blinking lights =) Good luck ! Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: craven3 Date: Thursday, March 6, 2003 3:37 pm Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 Woes! > Hello All, > > Recently, I won an MR-1 from eBay. I was told the deck "FF, RR > and > would play a tape". That was true for a couple of tries. Now when > I > press a transport button, nothing happens except for the play, > pause and > stop button lights flash in an alternating fashion like the deck > is > confused. Sometimes, which is rare, the function works correctly > although I notice that more with FF or RR. I pulled the cassette > well > cover off over the reels and noticed the rubber idler wheel was > replaced > with the cam upgrade thinking that was the problem. Someone > mentioned in > an earlier post about the three contacts on the function selector > motor > being dirty. Could this be the problem? > > Regards, > Gary J. > > From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Mar 6 12:49:12 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 22:49:12 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Highcom II problem Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201F42@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi all, hope everyone is well. I have purchased a Highcom II unit for $41 Aus. The unit was sold with a fault, the unit will not power up. When I opened it up and checked it out, I found the transformer to be the culprit. So now I'm looking for a suitable substitute, all I know is that it is a centre tapped version (voltage - 0 volts - voltage), what I don't know is what voltage does the unit receive, is it a 12 volt AC or some other voltage? Any recommendations? Stay well everyone, regards, Tom Siomopoulos From krcrowe at telus.net Thu Mar 6 15:50:35 2003 From: krcrowe at telus.net (Roger Crowe) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 07:50:35 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 Woes! References: <3E6708CE.2040309@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003b01c2e3ef$bf6436e0$efcdde42@ab.hsia.telus.net> Gary, Has the power gone out at your house recently or has there been an electrical storm, thunder and lightning? It sounds to me that the microprocessor has gone on holiday (the flashing lights). Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: "craven3" To: Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 1:37 AM Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 Woes! > Hello All, > > Recently, I won an MR-1 from eBay. I was told the deck "FF, RR and > would play a tape". That was true for a couple of tries. Now when I > press a transport button, nothing happens except for the play, pause and > stop button lights flash in an alternating fashion like the deck is > confused. Sometimes, which is rare, the function works correctly > although I notice that more with FF or RR. I pulled the cassette well > cover off over the reels and noticed the rubber idler wheel was replaced > with the cam upgrade thinking that was the problem. Someone mentioned in > an earlier post about the three contacts on the function selector motor > being dirty. Could this be the problem? > > Regards, > Gary J. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Mar 6 19:17:19 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 01:17:19 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Highcom II problem References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201F42@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <002001c2e40c$a0a05dc0$16299bca@smarzuki> Hi Tom, Sorry I can't help - but the "black box" connection from nak decks gives a +/- 10V, just in case there's also such connector on the back of Highcom. Let's see if Stephen can take a break on his big day today (hint hint =) to reply this message ... Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos To: Naktalk mail list (E-mail) Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 6:49 PM Subject: [naktalk] Highcom II problem Hi all, hope everyone is well. I have purchased a Highcom II unit for $41 Aus. The unit was sold with a fault, the unit will not power up. When I opened it up and checked it out, I found the transformer to be the culprit. So now I'm looking for a suitable substitute, all I know is that it is a centre tapped version (voltage - 0 volts - voltage), what I don't know is what voltage does the unit receive, is it a 12 volt AC or some other voltage? Any recommendations? Stay well everyone, regards, Tom Siomopoulos From khmerideth at anderson.edu Thu Mar 6 19:27:51 2003 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 13:27:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Highcom II problem Message-ID: Tom, I'll take a look at home tonight at mine and some info I have in my High-Com II file to see if this is covered. If I'm remembering correctly, it is only powered from the mains, not from a black-box supply. Therefore, it would be of the 110VAC-240VAC variety of transformer, depending on the country of usage. Isn't your supply in the 220VAC range? As my home connection to the Web is quite poor, many not be able to answer you from there; may be tomorrow at work. Kent Merideth P.S. Just remembered I was in the process of getting a list together to replace the "orange" cap disease. Hope I haven't misplaced the file, because I haven't even completed the ordering process (also for NR-200) yet. >>> Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au 03/06/03 06:49AM >>> Hi all, hope everyone is well. I have purchased a Highcom II unit for $41 Aus. The unit was sold with a fault, the unit will not power up. When I opened it up and checked it out, I found the transformer to be the culprit. So now I'm looking for a suitable substitute, all I know is that it is a centre tapped version (voltage - 0 volts - voltage), what I don't know is what voltage does the unit receive, is it a 12 volt AC or some other voltage? Any recommendations? 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Message-ID: <20030306194737.BCDA9114974@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Mar 6 21:24:34 2003 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 13:24:34 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 Woes! References: <3E6708CE.2040309@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <026801c2e41e$68189af0$9f3442cf@steve> The problem is quite simply that the mode cam drive motor has built up some carbon inside, causing "dead spots". I've described how to cure this with silicone lub spray previously on naktalk, so perhaps one of you guys can dig it up & save me typing it out again. Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer Talking Dog Transducer Company http://stephensank.com 5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] (temporarily using home address, due to imminent shop move) 505-332-0336 Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer Payments preferred through Paypal.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "craven3" To: Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 1:37 AM Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 Woes! > Hello All, > > Recently, I won an MR-1 from eBay. I was told the deck "FF, RR and > would play a tape". That was true for a couple of tries. Now when I > press a transport button, nothing happens except for the play, pause and > stop button lights flash in an alternating fashion like the deck is > confused. Sometimes, which is rare, the function works correctly > although I notice that more with FF or RR. I pulled the cassette well > cover off over the reels and noticed the rubber idler wheel was replaced > with the cam upgrade thinking that was the problem. Someone mentioned in > an earlier post about the three contacts on the function selector motor > being dirty. Could this be the problem? > > Regards, > Gary J. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Mar 6 21:26:17 2003 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 13:26:17 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Highcom II problem References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201F42@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <026e01c2e41e$a5120a90$9f3442cf@steve> I don't have the manual for the unit, but I am pretty sure it will need 24 to 30 volts ac, center-tapped, i.e., 12-0-12 to 15-0-15. Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer Talking Dog Transducer Company http://stephensank.com 5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] (temporarily using home address, due to imminent shop move) 505-332-0336 Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer Payments preferred through Paypal.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" To: "Naktalk mail list (E-mail)" Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 4:49 AM Subject: [naktalk] Highcom II problem > Hi all, hope everyone is well. I have purchased a Highcom II unit for $41 > Aus. The unit was sold with a fault, the unit will not power up. When I > opened it up and checked it out, I found the transformer to be the culprit. > So now I'm looking for a suitable substitute, all I know is that it is a > centre tapped version (voltage - 0 volts - voltage), what I don't know is > what voltage does the unit receive, is it a 12 volt AC or some other > voltage? Any recommendations? > > Stay well everyone, > > regards, > > Tom Siomopoulos > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > From dbrabec at satx.rr.com Fri Mar 7 05:04:21 2003 From: dbrabec at satx.rr.com (David Brabec) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 22:04:21 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: ZX-7 Alignment Message-ID: <000101c2e45e$a4ed0250$2a93a018@scorpionmunchie> Okay - no plastic door. Hmmm.okay, my ZX-7 is perfect then). Well, it's not really cosmetically (it isn't bad) - but, the sound - oh my! Unbelievable! No sign of orange cap disease yet. And, as a non-Nak note - the Yamaha KX-1200 I bought was a STEAL. It is literally flawless - just needed a good cleaning (had..a bunch of..I dunno, crap? On the capstan shafts and the heads were filthy - looked like it had never been cleaned.) I use Rubber Renue and Head Cleaner from MG Chemicals - haven't found anything better. The KX-1200 goes to 22K (verified!) with Maxell XLII and TDK SA. Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dbrabec at satx.rr.com Fri Mar 7 06:09:45 2003 From: dbrabec at satx.rr.com (David Brabec) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 23:09:45 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 On E-bay - Looks Good Message-ID: <000701c2e467$c7483dc0$2a93a018@scorpionmunchie> Not bad if you are looking for an LX-5 - looks like the specs are good and it's in terrific shape. Buy it now is $250 Item #3011929725 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Fri Mar 7 10:44:40 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 20:44:40 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Highcom II problem Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201F45@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Thanks everyone for your input. I'll buy the 15-0-15 volt transformer and see how I go. I'll keep you posted. Take everyone. Tom Siomopoulos -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] Sent: Friday, 7 March 2003 7:26 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Highcom II problem I don't have the manual for the unit, but I am pretty sure it will need 24 to 30 volts ac, center-tapped, i.e., 12-0-12 to 15-0-15. Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer Talking Dog Transducer Company http://stephensank.com 5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] (temporarily using home address, due to imminent shop move) 505-332-0336 Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer Payments preferred through Paypal.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" To: "Naktalk mail list (E-mail)" Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 4:49 AM Subject: [naktalk] Highcom II problem > Hi all, hope everyone is well. I have purchased a Highcom II unit for $41 > Aus. The unit was sold with a fault, the unit will not power up. When I > opened it up and checked it out, I found the transformer to be the culprit. > So now I'm looking for a suitable substitute, all I know is that it is a > centre tapped version (voltage - 0 volts - voltage), what I don't know is > what voltage does the unit receive, is it a 12 volt AC or some other > voltage? Any recommendations? > > Stay well everyone, > > regards, > > Tom Siomopoulos > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From khmerideth at anderson.edu Fri Mar 7 13:49:25 2003 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 07:49:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Highcom II problem Message-ID: Tom, The indicated DC voltage to the input terminals of the +12 VDC and -12 VDC regulators is +17.2 VDC and -17.2 VDC, respectively. Since the raw AC is going through full-wave bridge rectification, the resultant DC value is 1.414 times the RMS (root mean square) value. Therefore, dividing the value of the voltage at the input terminal of the regulators by 1.414 would give you the required voltage necessary to get the 17.2 VDC. (17.2/1.414 = 12.16) VAC, per side of center tap. Don't forget the higher the voltage supplied to the regulators, the more energy has to be dissipated away from the regulator. This is in the form of heat. Using a 30 VAC CT (center-tapped) transformer would give you 21.21 VDC. The electrolytic capacitors are only rated for 25 VDC, which would not leave you much safety margin for the lytics and would greatly over drive the regulators, with 9.21 VDC to shed off as head, opposed to the designed 5.2 VDC overdrive. Would recommend you use a 24 VAC CT (12-0-12) secondary transformer, with your standard mains primary, which I believe is 240 VAC. The design already calls for over driving the regulators enough to maintain a solid 12 VDC output, so having a "slightly" lower input (16.97 VDC) will not cause a problem. On the other hand, over driving the regulators too heavily will shorten their life span, as well as possibly add some discoloration to the PCB (printed circuit board, not polychlorinated biphenyls!). Hope this helps. Kent Merideth >>> Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au 03/07/03 04:44AM >>> Thanks everyone for your input. I'll buy the 15-0-15 volt transformer and see how I go. I'll keep you posted. Take everyone. Tom Siomopoulos -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] Sent: Friday, 7 March 2003 7:26 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Highcom II problem I don't have the manual for the unit, but I am pretty sure it will need 24 to 30 volts ac, center-tapped, i.e., 12-0-12 to 15-0-15. Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer Talking Dog Transducer Company http://stephensank.com 5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] (temporarily using home address, due to imminent shop move) 505-332-0336 Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer Payments preferred through Paypal.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" To: "Naktalk mail list (E-mail)" Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 4:49 AM Subject: [naktalk] Highcom II problem > Hi all, hope everyone is well. I have purchased a Highcom II unit for $41 > Aus. The unit was sold with a fault, the unit will not power up. When I > opened it up and checked it out, I found the transformer to be the culprit. > So now I'm looking for a suitable substitute, all I know is that it is a > centre tapped version (voltage - 0 volts - voltage), what I don't know is > what voltage does the unit receive, is it a 12 volt AC or some other > voltage? 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URL: From croquetgod at yahoo.com Fri Mar 7 14:39:58 2003 From: croquetgod at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jens-M.=20Arndt?=) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 14:39:58 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] file upload review CA7-E / advertisement BX300E Message-ID: <20030307133958.21093.qmail@web13508.mail.yahoo.com> Wouter, I have now received the january 1987 issue of the german HifiVision magazine. Unfortunately it does not contain any review of the CR7-E but of the CA7-E preamp instead. However, I have just uploaded the review of this excellent preamp as well as a nakamichi advertisement for the BX300E in the same issue of HifiVision. Jens ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei http://premiummail.yahoo.de From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Mar 7 15:57:48 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 09:57:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Highcom II problem References: Message-ID: <3E68B36C.ADE0DC0E@rcn.com> Kent, Your analysis has a couple of oversimplifications. First, it assumes zero resistance in the transformer windings. Second, it neglects the voltage drop across the rectifiers. Third, it assumes infinite capacity filtering. Fourth, it assumes constantly nominal line voltage. Fifth, it assumes the specified V(in) for regulators is nominal, while it is actually a minimum spec. Sixth, it is not true that "overdriving the regulators will shorten their life span" -- as long as their power dissipation is not exceeded they can last forever but, once exceeded, their life span will come to an abrupt end :-). In power supply design, one should calculate that worst case components/inputs/loads still produce correctly regulated output, while concurrently, never exceeding ratings. As you can see, your calculations generally tend to the low side. Based on these calculations and armed with nothing but gut feeling, I would say the minimum input should be 2 x 15VAC at nominal line voltage. This assumes line voltage stays within +/- 10% and adequate heat sinking for the regulators and rectifiers. Regards, -- Ron --------------------------------- Original message Tom, The indicated DC voltage to the input terminals of the +12 VDC and -12 VDC regulators is +17.2 VDC and -17.2 VDC, respectively. Since the raw AC is going through full-wave bridge rectification, the resultant DC value is 1.414 times the RMS (root mean square) value. Therefore, dividing the value of the voltage at the input terminal of the regulators by 1.414 would give you the required voltage necessary to get the 17.2 VDC. (17.2/1.414 = 12.16) VAC, per side of center tap. Don't forget the higher the voltage supplied to the regulators, the more energy has to be dissipated away from the regulator. This is in the form of heat. Using a 30 VAC CT (center-tapped) transformer would give you 21.21 VDC. The electrolytic capacitors are only rated for 25 VDC, which would not leave you much safety margin for the lytics and would greatly over drive the regulators, with 9.21 VDC to shed off as head, opposed to the designed 5.2 VDC overdrive. Would recommend you use a 24 VAC CT (12-0-12) secondary transformer, with your standard mains primary, which I believe is 240 VAC. The design already calls for over driving the regulators enough to maintain a solid 12 VDC output, so having a "slightly" lower input (16.97 VDC) will not cause a problem. On the other hand, over driving the regulators too heavily will shorten their life span, as well as possibly add some discoloration to the PCB (printed circuit board, not polychlorinated biphenyls!). Hope this helps. Kent Merideth From wdrewes at iafrica.com Fri Mar 7 17:07:51 2003 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wme drewes) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 18:07:51 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Highcom II problem References: <3E68B36C.ADE0DC0E@rcn.com> Message-ID: <009e01c2e4c3$b84e73a0$af16fea9@wdrewes> IMHO Take the thing to an armature winder who can measure the faulty wire in the transformer and replace (rewind) correctly ! The fella I used got it spot on when compared with a similiar in suto live transformer at a later stage!Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 4:57 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Highcom II problem > > Kent, > > Your analysis has a couple of oversimplifications. > First, it assumes zero resistance in the transformer > windings. Second, it neglects the voltage drop across > the rectifiers. Third, it assumes infinite capacity > filtering. Fourth, it assumes constantly nominal line > voltage. Fifth, it assumes the specified V(in) for > regulators is nominal, while it is actually a minimum > spec. Sixth, it is not true that "overdriving the > regulators will shorten their life span" -- as long as > their power dissipation is not exceeded they can last > forever but, once exceeded, their life span will come > to an abrupt end :-). > > In power supply design, one should calculate that worst > case components/inputs/loads still produce correctly > regulated output, while concurrently, never exceeding > ratings. As you can see, your calculations generally > tend to the low side. Based on these calculations and > armed with nothing but gut feeling, I would say the > minimum input should be 2 x 15VAC at nominal line > voltage. This assumes line voltage stays within > +/- 10% and adequate heat sinking for the regulators > and rectifiers. > > Regards, > > -- Ron > > > --------------------------------- > Original message > > Tom, > > The indicated DC voltage to the input terminals of the +12 VDC > and -12 VDC regulators is +17.2 VDC and -17.2 VDC, respectively. > Since the raw AC is going through full-wave bridge rectification, > the resultant DC value is 1.414 times the RMS (root mean square) > value. Therefore, dividing the value of the voltage at the input > terminal of the regulators by 1.414 would give you the required > voltage necessary to get the 17.2 VDC. (17.2/1.414 = 12.16) VAC, > per side of center tap. Don't forget the higher the voltage > supplied to the regulators, the more energy has to be dissipated > away from the regulator. This is in the form of heat. Using a > 30 VAC CT (center-tapped) transformer would give you 21.21 VDC. > The electrolytic capacitors are only rated for 25 VDC, which > would not leave you much safety margin for the lytics and would > greatly over drive the regulators, with 9.21 VDC to shed off as > head, opposed to the designed 5.2 VDC overdrive. Would recommend > you use a 24 VAC CT (12-0-12) secondary transformer, with your > standard mains primary, which I believe is 240 VAC. The design > already calls for over driving the regulators enough to maintain > a solid 12 VDC output, so having a "slightly" lower input (16.97 > VDC) will not cause a problem. On the other hand, over driving > the regulators too heavily will shorten their life span, as well > as possibly add some discoloration to the PCB (printed circuit > board, not polychlorinated biphenyls!). Hope this helps. > > Kent Merideth > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > From wdrewes at iafrica.com Fri Mar 7 17:25:26 2003 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wme drewes) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 18:25:26 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] file upload review CA7-E / advertisement BX300E References: <20030307133958.21093.qmail@web13508.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <012d01c2e4c6$29ac2400$af16fea9@wdrewes> Jens ,darf ich Sie bitten mir auch den Report von Hifivision ueber CA7 E durch zu schicken ? Meinen besten Dank und Gruesse aus Suedafrika! Walter Drewes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jens-M. Arndt" To: Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 3:39 PM Subject: [naktalk] file upload review CA7-E / advertisement BX300E > Wouter, > > I have now received the january 1987 issue of the > german HifiVision magazine. Unfortunately it does not > contain any review of the CR7-E but of the CA7-E > preamp instead. However, I have just uploaded the > review of this excellent preamp as well as a nakamichi > advertisement for the BX300E in the same issue of > HifiVision. > > Jens > > ===== > 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) > > __________________________________________________________________ > > Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de > Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei http://premiummail.yahoo.de > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From croquetgod at yahoo.com Fri Mar 7 17:43:25 2003 From: croquetgod at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jens-M.=20Arndt?=) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 17:43:25 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] file upload review CA7-E / advertisement BX300E In-Reply-To: <012d01c2e4c6$29ac2400$af16fea9@wdrewes> Message-ID: <20030307164325.65762.qmail@web13509.mail.yahoo.com> Walter, please check your mailbox... k rgds jens --- wme drewes schrieb: > Jens ,darf ich Sie bitten mir auch den Report von > Hifivision ueber CA7 E > durch zu schicken ? Meinen besten Dank und Gruesse > aus Suedafrika! > Walter Drewes > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jens-M. Arndt" > To: > Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 3:39 PM > Subject: [naktalk] file upload review CA7-E / > advertisement BX300E > > > > Wouter, > > > > I have now received the january 1987 issue of the > > german HifiVision magazine. Unfortunately it does > not > > contain any review of the CR7-E but of the CA7-E > > preamp instead. However, I have just uploaded the > > review of this excellent preamp as well as a > nakamichi > > advertisement for the BX300E in the same issue of > > HifiVision. > > > > Jens > > > > ===== > > 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder > auf Beatles oder Stones, > man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf > Sofia Loren. Beides hat in > einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. > Pauli und HSV.' (Harry > Rowohlt) > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > > > > Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de > > Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei > http://premiummail.yahoo.de > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei http://premiummail.yahoo.de From croquetgod at yahoo.com Sat Mar 8 13:13:54 2003 From: croquetgod at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jens-M.=20Arndt?=) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 13:13:54 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] CR5E Review "Stereo" 04/86 (German) Message-ID: <20030308121354.68013.qmail@web13508.mail.yahoo.com> Wouter, I have just uploaded a CR5E review of german "Stereo" Magazin, Issue 04/86 (2 pages, jpg file format) jens ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei http://premiummail.yahoo.de From brainwork at csi.com Mon Mar 10 00:11:24 2003 From: brainwork at csi.com (Jo Rameder) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 00:11:24 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 480 question Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20030310001033.00a30de0@pop.compuserve.com> Hi, I have a 480 here with dead VU-meter lamps. Tried to replace them with mechanically fitting 6V types (I measured 5,57V AC across the dead ones), but as soon as I connect one of them, the deck shuts off completely, only to come back to life when I remove the lamp. Are the indicator lamps of the same type? Any hint would be appreciated. BTW: I own a CD-1 as well as a BX-125. As nak support here in Austria is rather poor it's good to know this list exists. Jo From kannan_s at vsnl.com Mon Mar 10 04:45:52 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 09:15:52 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] 480 question Message-ID: <20030310034552.B36BC1149A9@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Mar 10 05:45:01 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 15:45:01 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Highcom II problem Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201F47@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Great news everybody, I purchased a 15-0-15 volt transformer for around $8 and installed it into the unit, "presto" it has come to life with no problems or degradation to the sound. I thank all for your input, it have been most valuable to me. Stephen great to hear from you again. Take care everyone. Tom Siomopoulos -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos [mailto:Tom.Siomopoulos at nec.com.au] Sent: Friday, 7 March 2003 8:45 To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Highcom II problem Thanks everyone for your input. I'll buy the 15-0-15 volt transformer and see how I go. I'll keep you posted. Take everyone. Tom Siomopoulos -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] Sent: Friday, 7 March 2003 7:26 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Highcom II problem I don't have the manual for the unit, but I am pretty sure it will need 24 to 30 volts ac, center-tapped, i.e., 12-0-12 to 15-0-15. Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer Talking Dog Transducer Company http://stephensank.com 5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] (temporarily using home address, due to imminent shop move) 505-332-0336 Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer Payments preferred through Paypal.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" To: "Naktalk mail list (E-mail)" Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 4:49 AM Subject: [naktalk] Highcom II problem > Hi all, hope everyone is well. I have purchased a Highcom II unit for $41 > Aus. The unit was sold with a fault, the unit will not power up. When I > opened it up and checked it out, I found the transformer to be the culprit. > So now I'm looking for a suitable substitute, all I know is that it is a > centre tapped version (voltage - 0 volts - voltage), what I don't know is > what voltage does the unit receive, is it a 12 volt AC or some other > voltage? Any recommendations? > > Stay well everyone, > > regards, > > Tom Siomopoulos > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From enoyes at snet.net Mon Mar 10 14:42:00 2003 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 08:42:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 480 question References: <20030310034552.B36BC1149A9@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <3E6C9628.6080308@snet.net> I would completely agree with Kannan here. I've seen decks do very odd things when lamps that draw too much current are used. My experience with the 480 and 580 series are that they work well with lamps that are rated to draw about 50 to 60 ma. Radio Shack actually sells a number of lamps which would suffice for use in the meters. Ed kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: >Generally you have to check the rating of these lamps and should match the original lamps - say how many mA current rated lamps. Try connecting 1 or 2.2 K resistor in series with this lamp or( incase you do not have access to resistors) connect 4 or 5 lamps in series first to check whether your deck works fine and then reduce the resistance or lamps in series to a value which is fine. I think the current lamp is drawing large currents shutting down the power supply by the regulator circuits. >Kannan >brainwork at csi.com wrote >Hi, >I have a 480 here with dead VU-meter lamps. Tried to replace them with >mechanically fitting 6V types (I measured 5,57V AC across the dead ones), >but as soon as I connect one of them, the deck shuts off completely, only >to come back to life when I remove the lamp. Are the indicator lamps of the >same type? Any hint would be appreciated. >BTW: I own a CD-1 as well as a BX-125. As nak support here in Austria is >rather poor it's good to know this list exists. >Jo > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > From johnsog2 at ocps.k12.fl.us Wed Mar 12 06:18:06 2003 From: johnsog2 at ocps.k12.fl.us (Johnson, Gary) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 00:18:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 Woes! Message-ID: <7D27F1A9BFDCAC429A19F86F8CE60F7B48960C@aelmail02.ocps.k12.fl.us> Hello All, Thanks for all the replies. I have tried cleaning the contacts on the mode cam but no luck. Stephen Sank mentioned about carbon build - up inside the motor. I haven't found this post in the archives. Could somebody point me in the right direction or attach it in a private email? TIA Regards, Gary J. -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: InterScan_Disclaimer.txt URL: From croquetgod at yahoo.com Wed Mar 12 17:40:48 2003 From: croquetgod at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jens-M.=20Arndt?=) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 17:40:48 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] Upload of nak reviews, brochures etc.. Message-ID: <20030312164048.79564.qmail@web13506.mail.yahoo.com> Hello there, although the support section of naks.com is presently not accessible I do understand from Wouter that it will be available again sooner or later in one way or another. I have recently uploaded a few nak reviews (unfortunately none of my own nak rx505..). In order to keep this site the best resource for information about nak tapedecks I would like to invite you all to check your vault for nak brochures / adds / reviews etc. Then you just have to scan them and upload the files which will only take a few minutes. Jens ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei http://premiummail.yahoo.de From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Mar 12 19:37:04 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 01:37:04 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 Woes! References: <7D27F1A9BFDCAC429A19F86F8CE60F7B48960C@aelmail02.ocps.k12.fl.us> Message-ID: <08a201c2e8c6$61a0ec20$3c299bca@smarzuki> Hi Gary, I can't find a more detailed post, but here's some related stuff from Stephen: -------- You mode control motor is not running. This is the motor that has a worm gear mounted on it that drives the cam that lifts the head block. The motor will need to be either overhauled or replaced. If you give it a nudge right after turning it on & it starts functioning, this confirms the diagnosis. It may actually work for a good while after doing this. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm -------- I think you'd have figured this one out within a day or two, but to save you the time: The mode control motor is at fault. Just take the motor apart & clean the carbon from the commutator & brushes, apply a bit of silicone contact lubricant & throw it back together. Should be cured for years. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm -------- There are two easy possibilities. First, try a bit of contact cleaner spritzed into the cam sensing potentiometer. Second, pull the belt free of the control motor pulley, with the deck turned off, shoot the motor full of silicone spray lubricant(non-conductive) through the slots in the back end, then turn the deck on. The motor will spin at a speed proportional to how far the cam is from the stop position, so you can push the cam a bit one way or the other & make the motor spin faster, slower or stop. Let it spin fast for a few minutes. Then reinstall the belt & see how things are. One other thing not inlikely is cold solder joints on the control motor drive transistors. Either on the schematic or physically, follow the wire(the one that doesn't go right to ground, of course) back to the logic board & it the line will take you straight to the right pair of transistors. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com ------- Good luck ! Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Johnson, Gary To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 12:18 PM Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 Woes! Hello All, Thanks for all the replies. I have tried cleaning the contacts on the mode cam but no luck. Stephen Sank mentioned about carbon build - up inside the motor. I haven't found this post in the archives. Could somebody point me in the right direction or attach it in a private email? TIA Regards, Gary J. From inbox at r-grieco.net Wed Mar 12 19:55:37 2003 From: inbox at r-grieco.net (Raffaele Grieco) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 19:55:37 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Upload of nak reviews, brochures etc.. References: <20030312164048.79564.qmail@web13506.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <012901c2e8ce$6eaf89a0$67aecbd5@rg> Today Jens wrote: > In order to keep this site the best resource for > information about nak tapedecks I would like to invite > you all to check your vault for nak brochures / adds / > reviews etc. I agree; about a month ago I posted my list of available papers to the list, asking for directions on how to upload them; unfortunately, I got no answer. I repost the list here: - "The Nakamichi live recording booklet" (illustration of the 3-microphones Nakamichi technique), already scanned and ready-to-send; - 250 service manual, original, to scan; - 550 user manual, copy, to scan; - 2 English-language color brochures from '80s (one with the 100ZXL as top of line, the other with 680ZX), already scanned; - 2 Italian-language brochures, one with 1000ZXL TOL, the other with 1000II; to scan; - Dragon service manual, copy, to scan; - various Italian magazine technical tests (1000, 1000ZXL, 680, 600II, 620, High Com, etc.), to scan. As soon as someone tells me how to do, I'll upload them. Best regards, Raffaele From kannan_s at vsnl.com Wed Mar 12 21:13:37 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 01:43:37 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Upload of nak reviews, brochures etc. Message-ID: <20030312201337.A8ED711495B@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From croquetgod at yahoo.com Thu Mar 13 12:17:54 2003 From: croquetgod at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jens-M.=20Arndt?=) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 12:17:54 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] reviews: 700ZXL / CR-4E Message-ID: <20030313111754.53768.qmail@web13508.mail.yahoo.com> @ wouter I have just received following reviews: 700ZXL (HifiStereophonie 7/81) and CR-4E vs Akai GX-95 vs Aiwa Excelia XK-009 (Audio 1/89). can you please provide me with ftp password etc. since I would like to upload the scans. Thanks Jens ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei http://premiummail.yahoo.de From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Mar 13 14:58:42 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 08:58:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] reviews: 700ZXL / CR-4E References: <20030313111754.53768.qmail@web13508.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3E708E91.8259E0B7@rcn.com> Jens, Since we no longer have access to the Naks support site, could you possibly (if it's not too much trouble) email the CR-4/et-al face-off? I suspect others may be interested as well. Needless to say, I would not be selling it to anyone. TIA, -- Ron "Jens-M. Arndt" wrote: > > @ wouter > > I have just received following reviews: > > 700ZXL (HifiStereophonie 7/81) > > and > > CR-4E vs Akai GX-95 vs Aiwa Excelia XK-009 (Audio > 1/89). > > can you please provide me with ftp password etc. since > I would like to upload the scans. > > Thanks > Jens > > ===== > 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) > > __________________________________________________________________ > > Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de > Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei http://premiummail.yahoo.de > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From croquetgod at yahoo.com Thu Mar 13 15:06:29 2003 From: croquetgod at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jens-M.=20Arndt?=) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 15:06:29 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] reviews: 700ZXL / CR-4E In-Reply-To: <3E708E91.8259E0B7@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20030313140629.41712.qmail@web13501.mail.yahoo.com> Ron, I forgot to mention that these reviews are in german language. Please let me know if you are still interested. Jens --- Ron schrieb: > > Jens, > > Since we no longer have access to the Naks support > site, could you possibly (if it's not too much > trouble) email the CR-4/et-al face-off? I suspect > others may be interested as well. > > Needless to say, I would not be selling it to > anyone. > > TIA, > > -- Ron > > > "Jens-M. Arndt" wrote: > > > > @ wouter > > > > I have just received following reviews: > > > > 700ZXL (HifiStereophonie 7/81) > > > > and > > > > CR-4E vs Akai GX-95 vs Aiwa Excelia XK-009 (Audio > > 1/89). > > > > can you please provide me with ftp password etc. > since > > I would like to upload the scans. > > > > Thanks > > Jens > > > > ===== > > 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder > auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina > Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in > einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. > Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > > > > Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de > > Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei > http://premiummail.yahoo.de > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei http://premiummail.yahoo.de From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Mar 13 15:36:35 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 21:36:35 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] reviews: 700ZXL / CR-4E References: <20030313140629.41712.qmail@web13501.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <071a01c2e96d$f3346700$b71a9bca@smarzuki> As long as there's pictures to look at ... please include salim at danareksa.com on your list =) Bleus, is it possible to upload to your site ? There's naktalk at yahoogroups.com if anybody's interested ... we can use that site but even then it can only hold up to 20mB of files. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Jens-M. Arndt To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 9:06 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] reviews: 700ZXL / CR-4E Ron, I forgot to mention that these reviews are in german language. Please let me know if you are still interested. Jens --- Ron schrieb: > From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Mar 13 16:01:03 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 22:01:03 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] reviews: 700ZXL / CR-4E References: <20030313140629.41712.qmail@web13501.mail.yahoo.com> <071a01c2e96d$f3346700$b71a9bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <072901c2e971$5e7e31a0$b71a9bca@smarzuki> Please don't get me wrong - the yahoo site is not intended to compete (or any other negatives =) in any way to naktalk !! Imho we all owe a lot to Wouter who brought us together - the other site is for temporary upload or download of files only until Wouter find a workaround to file leechers. In the meantime I have included Jens, Ron and Misha's name for the ZXL/CR4 shootout files, anybody else interested please contact me offlist for access. Curiously there's more space for pics - 30mB, not sure if pdf can be categorised as pics though. Cheers & no flames please, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Salim Marzuki To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 9:36 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] reviews: 700ZXL / CR-4E As long as there's pictures to look at ... please include salim at danareksa.com on your list =) Bleus, is it possible to upload to your site ? There's naktalk at yahoogroups.com if anybody's interested ... we can use that site but even then it can only hold up to 20mB of files. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Jens-M. Arndt To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 9:06 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] reviews: 700ZXL / CR-4E Ron, I forgot to mention that these reviews are in german language. Please let me know if you are still interested. Jens --- Ron schrieb: > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From croquetgod at yahoo.com Thu Mar 13 15:58:55 2003 From: croquetgod at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jens-M.=20Arndt?=) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 15:58:55 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] reviews: 700ZXL / CR-4E In-Reply-To: <071a01c2e96d$f3346700$b71a9bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <20030313145855.72270.qmail@web13509.mail.yahoo.com> @ salim, ron & michael I have sent you the review by email but please don't blame me for the file size. honestly, I still believe www.naks.com to be the best place for this. we just have to be a bit patient.... jens --- Salim Marzuki schrieb: > > As long as there's pictures to look at ... please > include > salim at danareksa.com on your list =) > > Bleus, is it possible to upload to your site ? > There's > naktalk at yahoogroups.com if anybody's interested ... > we can use that site but > even then it can only hold up to 20mB of files. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jens-M. Arndt > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 9:06 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] reviews: 700ZXL / CR-4E > > > Ron, > > I forgot to mention that these reviews are in german > language. > > Please let me know if you are still interested. > > Jens > > --- Ron schrieb: > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei http://premiummail.yahoo.de From croquetgod at yahoo.com Thu Mar 13 16:58:22 2003 From: croquetgod at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jens-M.=20Arndt?=) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 16:58:22 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] reviews: 700ZXL / CR-4E In-Reply-To: <072901c2e971$5e7e31a0$b71a9bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <20030313155822.54262.qmail@web13502.mail.yahoo.com> Salim, all unterstood. I have uploaded my files (CR4, CR5, CA7, BX300 and 700ZXL, all jpg) to your temporary yahoo-group/site. jens --- Salim Marzuki schrieb: > > Please don't get me wrong - the yahoo site is not > intended to compete (or > any other negatives =) in any way to naktalk !! > Imho we all owe a lot to > Wouter who brought us together - the other site is > for temporary upload or > download of files only until Wouter find a > workaround to file leechers. > > In the meantime I have included Jens, Ron and > Misha's name for the ZXL/CR4 > shootout files, anybody else interested please > contact me offlist for > access. Curiously there's more space for pics - > 30mB, not sure if pdf can > be categorised as pics though. > > Cheers & no flames please, > Salim SM > > > ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei http://premiummail.yahoo.de From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Mar 13 16:59:25 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 10:59:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] reviews: 700ZXL / CR-4E References: <20030313140629.41712.qmail@web13501.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3E70AADD.4721AA50@rcn.com> Oooops... Guess not... Thanks anyway, -- Ron "Jens-M. Arndt" wrote: > > Ron, > > I forgot to mention that these reviews are in german > language. > > Please let me know if you are still interested. > > Jens > > --- Ron schrieb: > > > Jens, > > > > Since we no longer have access to the Naks support > > site, could you possibly (if it's not too much > > trouble) email the CR-4/et-al face-off? I suspect > > others may be interested as well. > > > > Needless to say, I would not be selling it to > > anyone. > > > > TIA, > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > "Jens-M. Arndt" wrote: > > > > > > @ wouter > > > > > > I have just received following reviews: > > > > > > 700ZXL (HifiStereophonie 7/81) > > > > > > and > > > > > > CR-4E vs Akai GX-95 vs Aiwa Excelia XK-009 (Audio > > > 1/89). > > > > > > can you please provide me with ftp password etc. > > since > > > I would like to upload the scans. > > > > > > Thanks > > > Jens > > > > > > ===== > > > 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder > > auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina > > Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in > > einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. > > Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de > > > Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei > > http://premiummail.yahoo.de > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com > > mailinglist > > > To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > > mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ===== > 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) > > __________________________________________________________________ > > Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de > Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei http://premiummail.yahoo.de > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Mar 13 18:11:19 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 00:11:19 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] reviews: 700ZXL / CR-4E References: <20030313155822.54262.qmail@web13502.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001b01c2e983$913a4d60$a2199bca@smarzuki> Hi Jens, thanks for your understanding ! Those are quite colorful pictures, almost 40% full =). Wouter, I also have 1984 Stereo Review's Dragon and Revox 710 deck short review to be uploaded to naks.com. In the meantime it's sitting in the files section to be transferred once we have naks upload password. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Jens-M. Arndt To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 10:58 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] reviews: 700ZXL / CR-4E Salim, all unterstood. I have uploaded my files (CR4, CR5, CA7, BX300 and 700ZXL, all jpg) to your temporary yahoo-group/site. jens --- Salim Marzuki schrieb: > > Please don't get me wrong - the yahoo site is not > intended to compete (or > any other negatives =) in any way to naktalk !! From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu Mar 13 21:01:39 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 21:01:39 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Upload of nak reviews, brochures etc.. References: <20030312164048.79564.qmail@web13506.mail.yahoo.com> <012901c2e8ce$6eaf89a0$67aecbd5@rg> Message-ID: <3E70E3A2.8934EA72@xs4all.nl> Hi Raffaele, All brochures/manuals/reviews are welcome! I think enough directions on how to scan have been posted on the list. If you scanned anything please let me know then i'll give you directions on how to upload what you've got to the ftp server. And yes the server will be up again! Keep on scanning! Wouter Raffaele Grieco wrote: > Today Jens wrote: > > > In order to keep this site the best resource for > > information about nak tapedecks I would like to invite > > you all to check your vault for nak brochures / adds / > > reviews etc. > > I agree; about a month ago I posted my list of available papers to the list, > asking for directions on how to upload them; unfortunately, I got no answer. I > repost the list here: > > - "The Nakamichi live recording booklet" (illustration of the 3-microphones > Nakamichi technique), already scanned and ready-to-send; > - 250 service manual, original, to scan; > - 550 user manual, copy, to scan; > - 2 English-language color brochures from '80s (one with the 100ZXL as top of > line, the other with 680ZX), already scanned; > - 2 Italian-language brochures, one with 1000ZXL TOL, the other with 1000II; to > scan; > - Dragon service manual, copy, to scan; > - various Italian magazine technical tests (1000, 1000ZXL, 680, 600II, 620, > High Com, etc.), to scan. > > As soon as someone tells me how to do, I'll upload them. > > Best regards, > Raffaele > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu Mar 13 21:17:59 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 21:17:59 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] reviews: 700ZXL / CR-4E References: <20030313155822.54262.qmail@web13502.mail.yahoo.com> <001b01c2e983$913a4d60$a2199bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3E70E777.D35D453E@xs4all.nl> Hi Salim, You can upload to: server: ftp.naks.com user: pdfupload passwd: g3rm at n you can put your files in the incoming directory. can't wait to see them! The support site will be up again soon and only to those that request to me. Thanks, Wouter Salim Marzuki wrote: > Hi Jens, thanks for your understanding ! Those are quite colorful > pictures, almost 40% full =). > > Wouter, I also have 1984 Stereo Review's Dragon and Revox 710 deck short > review to be uploaded to naks.com. In the meantime it's sitting in the > files section to be transferred once we have naks upload password. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jens-M. Arndt > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 10:58 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] reviews: 700ZXL / CR-4E > > Salim, > > all unterstood. > > I have uploaded my files (CR4, CR5, CA7, BX300 and > 700ZXL, all jpg) to your temporary yahoo-group/site. > > jens > > --- Salim Marzuki schrieb: > > > > Please don't get me wrong - the yahoo site is not > > intended to compete (or > > any other negatives =) in any way to naktalk !! > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Thu Mar 13 21:59:09 2003 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 20:59:09 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Support site Message-ID: Hi Wouter, I would like to have access to the support site. I also have the manuals, installation notes and so on relating to the Nakamichi Mobile Tuner Deck 1, 2, 3 and CD changer CDC-101 to upload if you are interested. Thanks. >From: Wouter Heijke >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] reviews: 700ZXL / CR-4E >Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 21:17:59 +0100 > >The support site will be up again soon and only to those that request to >me. > >Thanks, > >Wouter _________________________________________________________________ Surf together with new Shared Browsing http://join.msn.com/?page=features/browse&pgmarket=en-gb&XAPID=74&DI=1059 From dbrabec at satx.rr.com Thu Mar 13 23:44:11 2003 From: dbrabec at satx.rr.com (David Brabec) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 16:44:11 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 Question(s) Message-ID: <000201c2e9b2$133731b0$2a93a018@scorpionmunchie> I’m thinking I need new belts – but you be the judge. Tape transport is unstable – tape will be playing fine – and then, lose high frequencies – and then, it goes back to being okay for a bit, etc.. Noticed that when I moved the flywheel – it improved – so, adjusted the flywheels (now, let me make sure I have this right – adjust to minimum play, and then back out ½ turn, right?). Still does the same thing – maybe not quite as much. Am thinking that I need new belts (capstan drive belts). The belts “seem” okay – not really tight, but don’t seem like they should slip. I used rubber renue on them – hmmm and it didn’t happen before that. Should I clean the belts with a pad moistened with H2O? Also, have purchased TrueRTA from trueaudio.com – it’s a real time spectrum analyzer 1/24th octave / freq generator (sine, pink and white noise) and dual channel oscope – all on your pc sound card. Seems to work pretty well (except I have issues, of course, it isn’t quite working right yet and am waiting to hear back from them). Check it out – because Level 1 (somewhat limited functions, but still works fine) is FREE! Finally, picked up what appears to be a PRISTINE RX-202 – has issues with the auto reverse (was sitting in the box like forever) – so, should hopefully be pretty simple (clean out the dried up lube, belt check, etc). Physically – it is basically perfect! Very very low hours. Question – what do you use for lube in the auto reverse mechanism – lubriplate or ??? Thanks, Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dbrabec at satx.rr.com Fri Mar 14 04:22:21 2003 From: dbrabec at satx.rr.com (David Brabec) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 21:22:21 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] RE:RX-505 Questions(s) Message-ID: <000001c2e9d8$ed2ecbf0$2a93a018@scorpionmunchie> Made a cutaway tape as shown in the ZX-7 Maint Manual - I can see where the tape is lifiting off (and bowing) of the heads. Apparently the capstans aren't running at the same speed? I'm still thinking that it's a belt issue (slipping) - sound right? If so, I need a good POC for belts for Naks (ZX-7, RX-505, RX-202, 700 II) and while I'm at it, a couple of idler tires for the 202's as well. Thanks! Dave From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Mar 14 06:53:04 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 12:53:04 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] RE:RX-505 Questions(s) References: <000001c2e9d8$ed2ecbf0$2a93a018@scorpionmunchie> Message-ID: <000001c2e9ef$ba986400$bf299bca@smarzuki> Hi Dave, sounds very much like you need a new belt. It happened to my deck before - tape is clearly lifted off head. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: David Brabec To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 10:22 AM Subject: [naktalk] RE:RX-505 Questions(s) Made a cutaway tape as shown in the ZX-7 Maint Manual - I can see where the tape is lifiting off (and bowing) of the heads. Apparently the capstans aren't running at the same speed? I'm still thinking that it's a belt issue (slipping) - sound right? If so, I need a good POC for belts for Naks (ZX-7, RX-505, RX-202, 700 II) and while I'm at it, a couple of idler tires for the 202's as well. Thanks! Dave From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri Mar 14 10:14:26 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (wheijke at xs4all.nl) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 10:14:26 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] Pricing info updated Message-ID: <18070.62.72.208.36.1047633266.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Hi Everybody, I just udated the pricing page with data provided by Jens. A few weeks ago i removed the pricing page since the info there was about 4 years old... But now the second hand data is 'fresh' dating february 2003. Wouter From croquetgod at yahoo.com Fri Mar 14 10:33:41 2003 From: croquetgod at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jens-M.=20Arndt?=) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 10:33:41 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] Pricing info updated In-Reply-To: <18070.62.72.208.36.1047633266.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <20030314093341.93065.qmail@web13502.mail.yahoo.com> wouter, thank you! I will continue tracking the ebay sales (as long as it's not too boring...). Naktalkers are ofcourse invited to report nak (tape deck & accessories only) sales being concluded outside ebay to me (email: jma at iphh.de). In order to keep the prices comparable I will include fully working items in good/mint condition only (apart from scratches on top of deck). jens --- wheijke at xs4all.nl schrieb: > Hi Everybody, > > I just udated the pricing page with data provided by > Jens. > A few weeks ago i removed the pricing page since the > info there was about > 4 years old... But now the second hand data is > 'fresh' dating february > 2003. > > Wouter > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei http://premiummail.yahoo.de From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri Mar 14 14:13:59 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (wheijke at xs4all.nl) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 14:13:59 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] ftp access Message-ID: <15774.62.72.208.36.1047647639.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Hi Everyone, I've created an ftp account exclusively for downloading the latest additions to the support/ftp site. To access these files you need an ftp client, so access through support.naks.com won't work anymore. This how you get there: server: ftp.naks.com user: pdfdownloadguest password: n3r0 Wouter From croquetgod at yahoo.com Fri Mar 14 14:39:52 2003 From: croquetgod at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jens-M.=20Arndt?=) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 14:39:52 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] Pricing info updated In-Reply-To: <18070.62.72.208.36.1047633266.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <20030314133952.28799.qmail@web13501.mail.yahoo.com> wouter, I might have to include this "item" as well: http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=14968&item=3012359370&rd=1 Nobody interested in this bargain? Rush, only a few hours left.... Jens --- wheijke at xs4all.nl schrieb: > Hi Everybody, > > I just udated the pricing page with data provided by > Jens. > A few weeks ago i removed the pricing page since the > info there was about > 4 years old... But now the second hand data is > 'fresh' dating february > 2003. > > Wouter > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei http://premiummail.yahoo.de From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Mar 14 15:21:35 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:21:35 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE:RX-505 Questions(s) References: <000001c2e9d8$ed2ecbf0$2a93a018@scorpionmunchie> Message-ID: <3E71E56F.70A62C86@rcn.com> David Brabec wrote: > > Made a cutaway tape as shown in the ZX-7 Maint Manual - I can > see where the tape is lifiting off (and bowing) of the heads. > Apparently the capstans aren't running at the same speed? They are not supposed to. The take-up capstan should run 1% to 3% faster than the supply. > I'm still thinking that it's a belt issue (slipping) - sound right? Yes, it could easily be a slipping belt. However, before your replace it, I suggest you see if both capstans are completely free. They may need lubrication. (Remove belt. If you twirl a capstan by hand, it should continue to revolve fro a while). If so, there's been a lot of discussion here in the past on how to do it. Also, cleaning a belt or turning it inside out can prolong it's life. -- Ron > If so, I need > a good POC for belts for Naks (ZX-7, RX-505, RX-202, 700 II) and while > I'm at it, a couple of idler tires for the 202's as well. > > Thanks! > > Dave From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Mar 14 15:25:48 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:25:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Pricing info updated References: <20030314133952.28799.qmail@web13501.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3E71E66C.13503E8A@rcn.com> LOL... Reminds me of P. T. Barnum's famous 'There is a sucker born every minute'... -- Ron "Jens-M. Arndt" wrote: > > wouter, > > I might have to include this "item" as well: > > http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=14968&item=3012359370&rd=1 > > Nobody interested in this bargain? > > Rush, only a few hours left.... > > Jens > > --- wheijke at xs4all.nl schrieb: > Hi Everybody, > > > > I just udated the pricing page with data provided by > > Jens. > > A few weeks ago i removed the pricing page since the > > info there was about > > 4 years old... But now the second hand data is > > 'fresh' dating february > > 2003. > > > > Wouter From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Mar 14 15:31:27 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:31:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Pricing info updated References: <20030314093341.93065.qmail@web13502.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3E71E7BF.C4031D9A@rcn.com> Jens, Please bear in mind that ebay pricing is not indicative of market value. You can often see an item selling at what is clearly well above market (or reasonable) value. The reverse is also true. If you use other sources as well, these anomalies will become statistically insignificant, but if you rely on ebay alone, they could skew the results. -- Ron "Jens-M. Arndt" wrote: > > wouter, > > thank you! > > I will continue tracking the ebay sales (as long as > it's not too boring...). > Naktalkers are ofcourse invited to report nak (tape > deck & accessories only) sales being concluded outside > ebay to me (email: jma at iphh.de). In order to keep the > prices comparable I will include fully working items > in good/mint condition only (apart from scratches on > top of deck). > > jens > > --- wheijke at xs4all.nl schrieb: > Hi Everybody, > > > > I just udated the pricing page with data provided by > > Jens. > > A few weeks ago i removed the pricing page since the > > info there was about > > 4 years old... But now the second hand data is > > 'fresh' dating february > > 2003. > > > > Wouter From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Mar 14 17:56:03 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 16:56:03 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Pricing info updated In-Reply-To: <18070.62.72.208.36.1047633266.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <000001c2ea4a$9ae3e020$b4ce87d9@oemcomputer> Nice job - thanks to Jens and Wouter. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > wheijke at xs4all.nl > Sent: 14 March 2003 09:14 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Pricing info updated > > > Hi Everybody, > > I just udated the pricing page with data provided by Jens. > A few weeks ago i removed the pricing page since the info there was about > 4 years old... But now the second hand data is 'fresh' dating february > 2003. > > Wouter > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.461 / Virus Database: 260 - Release Date: 10/03/03 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.461 / Virus Database: 260 - Release Date: 10/03/03 From dbadner at earthlink.net Fri Mar 14 15:23:38 2003 From: dbadner at earthlink.net (dbadner at earthlink.net) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:23:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] Pricing info updated Message-ID: <1506858.1047662189799.JavaMail.nobody@huey.psp.pas.earthlink.net> It's a little depressing because my BX-1, BX-2 and BX-300 are worth a little less than I had hoped, but it looks accurate. What's more important is how much are they worth to me. Dave -------Original Message------- From: wheijke at xs4all.nl Sent: 03/14/03 04:14 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Pricing info updated > > Hi Everybody, I just udated the pricing page with data provided by Jens. A few weeks ago i removed the pricing page since the info there was about 4 years old... But now the second hand data is 'fresh' dating february 2003. Wouter ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Mar 14 19:30:24 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 00:00:24 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Pricing info updated Message-ID: <20030314183024.76EC011491C@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Mar 14 20:09:32 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 14:09:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Pricing info updated References: <20030314183024.76EC011491C@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <3E7228EC.FD8FA914@rcn.com> kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > > Ron > If the maximum number of Nak used decks are transacted > through ebay and if that is not the market where is the > real market? I don't think ebay represents the maximum number of transactions, just the most visible. > Ebay indicates reasonably good value for products like > nakamichi decks and ofcourse I see tha value is coming > down. However bear in mind that desperate seller or > buyer sometimes tilt the scale in opposite directions. Exactly. What happens is that one buyer that doesn't care what they pay (or simply have no sense of the true value of an item) will dramatically overpay. This has an effect on the ebay community but not on the real world -- all the people that buy and sell through local ads. There are still many that don't even have know what ebay is. > If a Dragon is mint and ofcourse with original double > box and manual are available -it goes over 1000$ and > I saw Stephen serviced pretty good CR7 goes for 800+$ > even now. Buyers in ebay are mostly knowledgeable but > sometimes are taken for a ride - I am still expecting > a reply from a seller who is silent after my money > reached him! Don't even get me started about ripoffs on ebay... But that's a different subject... -- Ron > Kannan > > ra.ah at rcn.com wrote > > Jens, > > Please bear in mind that ebay pricing is not indicative > of market value. You can often see an item selling at > what is clearly well above market (or reasonable) value. > The reverse is also true. If you use other sources as > well, these anomalies will become statistically > insignificant, but if you rely on ebay alone, they > could skew the results. > > -- Ron > > "Jens-M. Arndt" wrote: > > > > wouter, > > > > thank you! > > > > I will continue tracking the ebay sales (as long as > > it's not too boring...). > > Naktalkers are ofcourse invited to report nak (tape > > deck & accessories only) sales being concluded outside > > ebay to me (email: jma at iphh.de). In order to keep the > > prices comparable I will include fully working items > > in good/mint condition only (apart from scratches on > > top of deck). > > > > jens > > > > --- wheijke at xs4all.nl schrieb: > Hi Everybody, > > > > > > I just udated the pricing page with data provided by > > > Jens. > > > A few weeks ago i removed the pricing page since the > > > info there was about > > > 4 years old... But now the second hand data is > > > 'fresh' dating february > > > 2003. > > > > > > Wouter > From wdrewes at iafrica.com Fri Mar 14 20:47:05 2003 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wdrewes) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 21:47:05 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Pricing ,in defence of Jens Message-ID: <002001c2ea62$7ebe71e0$7c231ec4@private> The market price gets determined by what fools and fundis pay, what ripoffs receive and non ripoffs receive,not only what knowledgable people pay.There are many stock exchanges in the world,(many 'ebays' ?) but non of the ebay similiar types that do as many transactions as eBay.I HAVE surfed the net and looked at whatever it could disgorge, non of the turnover figures come near to those of eBay and without exception they could be ignored because of the so limited turnover.I dont think it is unreasonable to use eBay as a guide as to what our NAKS can be SOLD for.I think Jens is doing a service for us all.It is accepted in the big wide world that a share price is taken as that at which it is quoted at on a stock exchange at a particular time and not what isolated individuals trade at between one another.Anybody who thinks that eBay and its volumes are not reality is missing reality.Please ,I dont want to offend anyone with my humble view and if is too forthrightly put, please bear with me .Thank you Jens,please keep it up! Walter -----Original Message----- From: Ron To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Friday, March 14, 2003 9:15 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pricing info updated >kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: >> >> Ron >> If the maximum number of Nak used decks are transacted >> through ebay and if that is not the market where is the >> real market? > >I don't think ebay represents the maximum number of >transactions, just the most visible. > >> Ebay indicates reasonably good value for products like >> nakamichi decks and ofcourse I see tha value is coming >> down. However bear in mind that desperate seller or >> buyer sometimes tilt the scale in opposite directions. > >Exactly. What happens is that one buyer that doesn't care >what they pay (or simply have no sense of the true value >of an item) will dramatically overpay. This has an effect >on the ebay community but not on the real world -- all >the people that buy and sell through local ads. There are >still many that don't even have know what ebay is. > >> If a Dragon is mint and ofcourse with original double >> box and manual are available -it goes over 1000$ and >> I saw Stephen serviced pretty good CR7 goes for 800+$ >> even now. Buyers in ebay are mostly knowledgeable but >> sometimes are taken for a ride - I am still expecting >> a reply from a seller who is silent after my money >> reached him! > >Don't even get me started about ripoffs on ebay... But >that's a different subject... > >-- Ron > > >> Kannan >> >> ra.ah at rcn.com wrote >> >> Jens, >> >> Please bear in mind that ebay pricing is not indicative >> of market value. You can often see an item selling at >> what is clearly well above market (or reasonable) value. >> The reverse is also true. If you use other sources as >> well, these anomalies will become statistically >> insignificant, but if you rely on ebay alone, they >> could skew the results. >> >> -- Ron >> >> "Jens-M. Arndt" wrote: >> > >> > wouter, >> > >> > thank you! >> > >> > I will continue tracking the ebay sales (as long as >> > it's not too boring...). >> > Naktalkers are ofcourse invited to report nak (tape >> > deck & accessories only) sales being concluded outside >> > ebay to me (email: jma at iphh.de). In order to keep the >> > prices comparable I will include fully working items >> > in good/mint condition only (apart from scratches on >> > top of deck). >> > >> > jens >> > >> > --- wheijke at xs4all.nl schrieb: > Hi Everybody, >> > > >> > > I just udated the pricing page with data provided by >> > > Jens. >> > > A few weeks ago i removed the pricing page since the >> > > info there was about >> > > 4 years old... But now the second hand data is >> > > 'fresh' dating february >> > > 2003. >> > > >> > > Wouter >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Mar 14 22:35:47 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 16:35:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Pricing ,in defence of Jens References: <002001c2ea62$7ebe71e0$7c231ec4@private> Message-ID: <3E724B33.C4C31722@rcn.com> Wow.... Take it easy. Jens needs no defense -- at least, not from me. I simply suggested that ebay prices are not representative of actual 'market' values. Unfortunately, little or no information is available on other transactions or prices. I truly appreciate his effort. As to whether ebay represents actual values -- I don't think so, but this is a free country and you are welcome to a differing opinion. Ebay may be the largest auction house on the internet, but -- even so -- they carry a very small fraction of the total transactions in this world; or even in the US. Probably, even in NYC alone. In addition, prices on ebay itself are inconsistent; often, meaningless. An excellent BX-300 can fetch $75 and the next day, a dilapidated BX-300, sold 'as is', fetches $120. I often see used products sold for more than I can buy them, brand spanking new, in a local store where I live. Have a nice day, -- Ron wdrewes wrote: > > The market price gets determined by what fools and fundis pay, what ripoffs > receive and non ripoffs receive,not only what knowledgable people pay.There > are many stock exchanges in the world,(many 'ebays' ?) but non of the ebay > similiar types that do as many transactions as eBay.I HAVE surfed the net > and looked at whatever it could disgorge, non of the turnover figures come > near to those of eBay and without exception they could be ignored because of > the so limited turnover.I dont think it is unreasonable to use eBay as a > guide as to what our NAKS can be SOLD for.I think Jens is doing a service > for us all.It is accepted in the big wide world that a share price is taken > as that at which it is quoted at on a stock exchange at a particular time > and not what isolated individuals trade at between one another.Anybody who > thinks that eBay and its volumes are not reality is missing reality.Please > ,I dont want to offend anyone with my humble view and if is too forthrightly > put, please bear with me .Thank you Jens,please keep it up! > Walter > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Friday, March 14, 2003 9:15 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pricing info updated > > >kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > >> > >> Ron > >> If the maximum number of Nak used decks are transacted > >> through ebay and if that is not the market where is the > >> real market? > > > >I don't think ebay represents the maximum number of > >transactions, just the most visible. > > > >> Ebay indicates reasonably good value for products like > >> nakamichi decks and ofcourse I see tha value is coming > >> down. However bear in mind that desperate seller or > >> buyer sometimes tilt the scale in opposite directions. > > > >Exactly. What happens is that one buyer that doesn't care > >what they pay (or simply have no sense of the true value > >of an item) will dramatically overpay. This has an effect > >on the ebay community but not on the real world -- all > >the people that buy and sell through local ads. There are > >still many that don't even have know what ebay is. > > > >> If a Dragon is mint and ofcourse with original double > >> box and manual are available -it goes over 1000$ and > >> I saw Stephen serviced pretty good CR7 goes for 800+$ > >> even now. Buyers in ebay are mostly knowledgeable but > >> sometimes are taken for a ride - I am still expecting > >> a reply from a seller who is silent after my money > >> reached him! > > > >Don't even get me started about ripoffs on ebay... But > >that's a different subject... > > > >-- Ron > > > > > >> Kannan > >> > >> ra.ah at rcn.com wrote > >> > >> Jens, > >> > >> Please bear in mind that ebay pricing is not indicative > >> of market value. You can often see an item selling at > >> what is clearly well above market (or reasonable) value. > >> The reverse is also true. If you use other sources as > >> well, these anomalies will become statistically > >> insignificant, but if you rely on ebay alone, they > >> could skew the results. > >> > >> -- Ron > >> > >> "Jens-M. Arndt" wrote: > >> > > >> > wouter, > >> > > >> > thank you! > >> > > >> > I will continue tracking the ebay sales (as long as > >> > it's not too boring...). > >> > Naktalkers are ofcourse invited to report nak (tape > >> > deck & accessories only) sales being concluded outside > >> > ebay to me (email: jma at iphh.de). In order to keep the > >> > prices comparable I will include fully working items > >> > in good/mint condition only (apart from scratches on > >> > top of deck). > >> > > >> > jens > >> > > >> > --- wheijke at xs4all.nl schrieb: > Hi Everybody, > >> > > > >> > > I just udated the pricing page with data provided by > >> > > Jens. > >> > > A few weeks ago i removed the pricing page since the > >> > > info there was about > >> > > 4 years old... But now the second hand data is > >> > > 'fresh' dating february > >> > > 2003. > >> > > > >> > > Wouter From bjgrady at pacbell.net Fri Mar 14 22:58:12 2003 From: bjgrady at pacbell.net (John) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 13:58:12 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Pricing ,in defence of Jens In-Reply-To: <3E724B33.C4C31722@rcn.com> Message-ID: <000501c2ea74$cf4ef780$5400a8c0@SUPPORT.RENTANAPT.COM> Funny, I see that w/ LP's all the time. IOW - seller says he has an 'out of print' where the label is still selling new copies. Cal John. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 1:36 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pricing ,in defence of Jens Wow.... Take it easy. Jens needs no defense -- at least, not from me. I simply suggested that ebay prices are not representative of actual 'market' values. Unfortunately, little or no information is available on other transactions or prices. I truly appreciate his effort. As to whether ebay represents actual values -- I don't think so, but this is a free country and you are welcome to a differing opinion. Ebay may be the largest auction house on the internet, but -- even so -- they carry a very small fraction of the total transactions in this world; or even in the US. Probably, even in NYC alone. In addition, prices on ebay itself are inconsistent; often, meaningless. An excellent BX-300 can fetch $75 and the next day, a dilapidated BX-300, sold 'as is', fetches $120. I often see used products sold for more than I can buy them, brand spanking new, in a local store where I live. Have a nice day, -- Ron wdrewes wrote: > > The market price gets determined by what fools and fundis pay, what ripoffs > receive and non ripoffs receive,not only what knowledgable people pay.There > are many stock exchanges in the world,(many 'ebays' ?) but non of the ebay > similiar types that do as many transactions as eBay.I HAVE surfed the net > and looked at whatever it could disgorge, non of the turnover figures come > near to those of eBay and without exception they could be ignored because of > the so limited turnover.I dont think it is unreasonable to use eBay as a > guide as to what our NAKS can be SOLD for.I think Jens is doing a service > for us all.It is accepted in the big wide world that a share price is taken > as that at which it is quoted at on a stock exchange at a particular time > and not what isolated individuals trade at between one another.Anybody who > thinks that eBay and its volumes are not reality is missing reality.Please > ,I dont want to offend anyone with my humble view and if is too forthrightly > put, please bear with me .Thank you Jens,please keep it up! > Walter > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Friday, March 14, 2003 9:15 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pricing info updated > > >kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > >> > >> Ron > >> If the maximum number of Nak used decks are transacted > >> through ebay and if that is not the market where is the > >> real market? > > > >I don't think ebay represents the maximum number of > >transactions, just the most visible. > > > >> Ebay indicates reasonably good value for products like > >> nakamichi decks and ofcourse I see tha value is coming > >> down. However bear in mind that desperate seller or > >> buyer sometimes tilt the scale in opposite directions. > > > >Exactly. What happens is that one buyer that doesn't care > >what they pay (or simply have no sense of the true value > >of an item) will dramatically overpay. This has an effect > >on the ebay community but not on the real world -- all > >the people that buy and sell through local ads. There are > >still many that don't even have know what ebay is. > > > >> If a Dragon is mint and ofcourse with original double > >> box and manual are available -it goes over 1000$ and > >> I saw Stephen serviced pretty good CR7 goes for 800+$ > >> even now. Buyers in ebay are mostly knowledgeable but > >> sometimes are taken for a ride - I am still expecting > >> a reply from a seller who is silent after my money > >> reached him! > > > >Don't even get me started about ripoffs on ebay... But > >that's a different subject... > > > >-- Ron > > > > > >> Kannan > >> > >> ra.ah at rcn.com wrote > >> > >> Jens, > >> > >> Please bear in mind that ebay pricing is not indicative > >> of market value. You can often see an item selling at > >> what is clearly well above market (or reasonable) value. > >> The reverse is also true. If you use other sources as > >> well, these anomalies will become statistically > >> insignificant, but if you rely on ebay alone, they > >> could skew the results. > >> > >> -- Ron > >> > >> "Jens-M. Arndt" wrote: > >> > > >> > wouter, > >> > > >> > thank you! > >> > > >> > I will continue tracking the ebay sales (as long as > >> > it's not too boring...). > >> > Naktalkers are ofcourse invited to report nak (tape > >> > deck & accessories only) sales being concluded outside > >> > ebay to me (email: jma at iphh.de). In order to keep the > >> > prices comparable I will include fully working items > >> > in good/mint condition only (apart from scratches on > >> > top of deck). > >> > > >> > jens > >> > > >> > --- wheijke at xs4all.nl schrieb: > Hi Everybody, > >> > > > >> > > I just udated the pricing page with data provided by > >> > > Jens. > >> > > A few weeks ago i removed the pricing page since the > >> > > info there was about > >> > > 4 years old... But now the second hand data is > >> > > 'fresh' dating february > >> > > 2003. > >> > > > >> > > Wouter ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From croquetgod at yahoo.com Fri Mar 14 23:11:19 2003 From: croquetgod at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jens-M.=20Arndt?=) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 23:11:19 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] Pricing, (partiallly) in defence of Ron In-Reply-To: <002001c2ea62$7ebe71e0$7c231ec4@private> Message-ID: <20030314221119.66557.qmail@web13504.mail.yahoo.com> Ron, you have raised an interesting question: I agree with you that there are is a significant number of nak-sales outside ebay. Therefore I invited naktalkers to report any other sales to me. Furthermore I agree with you that the total turnover of nak-sales on ebay might not be sufficient for a valid "pricefinding": FYG the february ebay figures are based on 108 sales with a total turnover of just above usd 30.000, march sofar 65 sales. But please bear in mind that we are talking about items for which production has ceased between 8 and 30 years ago. However I do believe that you are overestimating the number of ebay sales which do not materialize: Ofcourse I might include some sales/auctions concluded by "fun-buyers" who do not even intend to pay the price. However I do not believe that the number of ebay-naksales which do not materialize to be significant, just have a look at the average feedback-ratio the buyers and sellers of naks: it appears to me that they are - generally speaking - rather reliable and quite aware about what they are buying/selling. The effect of "fantasy-bids" is also limited due to the ebay system itself: a sky-high bid will only become valid if at least one other bidder will bid at the same level. this does not apply to the "buy-it-now" auctions but only a very limited number of naks is being sold on "buy-it-now" basis. you can certainly not argue that some ebay sales are either too high, too low or do not reflect the "market-level" (whatever this may be): this will and can happen on virtually every market if one party is over- or underestimating the price of a good. it is simply a mistake or let's say irrational behavior of a party. I even believe that ebay is pretty close to a "perfect" market at least in certain aspects, i.e. transparency and number of market participents. jens --- wdrewes schrieb: > The market price gets determined by what fools and > fundis pay, what ripoffs > receive and non ripoffs receive,not only what > knowledgable people pay.There > are many stock exchanges in the world,(many 'ebays' > ?) but non of the ebay > similiar types that do as many transactions as > eBay.I HAVE surfed the net > and looked at whatever it could disgorge, non of the > turnover figures come > near to those of eBay and without exception they > could be ignored because of > the so limited turnover.I dont think it is > unreasonable to use eBay as a > guide as to what our NAKS can be SOLD for.I think > Jens is doing a service > for us all.It is accepted in the big wide world that > a share price is taken > as that at which it is quoted at on a stock > exchange at a particular time > and not what isolated individuals trade at between > one another.Anybody who > thinks that eBay and its volumes are not reality is > missing reality.Please > ,I dont want to offend anyone with my humble view > and if is too forthrightly > put, please bear with me .Thank you Jens,please keep > it up! > Walter > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Friday, March 14, 2003 9:15 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pricing info updated > > > >kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > >> > >> Ron > >> If the maximum number of Nak used decks are > transacted > >> through ebay and if that is not the market where > is the > >> real market? > > > >I don't think ebay represents the maximum number of > >transactions, just the most visible. > > > >> Ebay indicates reasonably good value for products > like > >> nakamichi decks and ofcourse I see tha value is > coming > >> down. However bear in mind that desperate seller > or > >> buyer sometimes tilt the scale in opposite > directions. > > > >Exactly. What happens is that one buyer that > doesn't care > >what they pay (or simply have no sense of the true > value > >of an item) will dramatically overpay. This has an > effect > >on the ebay community but not on the real world -- > all > >the people that buy and sell through local ads. > There are > >still many that don't even have know what ebay is. > > > >> If a Dragon is mint and ofcourse with original > double > >> box and manual are available -it goes over 1000$ > and > >> I saw Stephen serviced pretty good CR7 goes for > 800+$ > >> even now. Buyers in ebay are mostly knowledgeable > but > >> sometimes are taken for a ride - I am still > expecting > >> a reply from a seller who is silent after my > money > >> reached him! > > > >Don't even get me started about ripoffs on ebay... > But > >that's a different subject... > > > >-- Ron > > > > > >> Kannan > >> > >> ra.ah at rcn.com wrote > >> > >> Jens, > >> > >> Please bear in mind that ebay pricing is not > indicative > >> of market value. You can often see an item > selling at > >> what is clearly well above market (or reasonable) > value. > >> The reverse is also true. If you use other > sources as > >> well, these anomalies will become statistically > >> insignificant, but if you rely on ebay alone, > they > >> could skew the results. > >> ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei http://premiummail.yahoo.de From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Mar 14 23:23:15 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 22:23:15 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Pricing (in the UK) In-Reply-To: <20030314221119.66557.qmail@web13504.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001c2ea78$4ed12660$5cd8883e@oemcomputer> eBay prices appear to be under the values put upon these decks in the UK market. There again, what I have observed have been the prices at which private sellers and traders have ADVERTISED their Nak's, which isn't necessarily the same as the prices they have obtained from buyers! But then, UK prices have always tended to be above those in the US anyway. Where once a Dragon may have sold for $1200 in the US, it would have sold for at least £1200 in the UK. Gra' > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.461 / Virus Database: 260 - Release Date: 10/03/03 From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Mar 14 23:40:30 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 04:10:30 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Pricing, (partiallly) in defence of Ron Message-ID: <20030314224030.B67B3114912@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From fflynn at adelphia.net Sat Mar 15 02:28:47 2003 From: fflynn at adelphia.net (Fran Flynn) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 20:28:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: RX-505 Questions(s) Message-ID: <3E7281CF.9060507@adelphia.net> Remove the capstan belt, clean it with rubber revitalizer if you have it otherwise use some alcohol. Remove the capstans and relube them, be careful of the oil retaining washers in front of the capstan bushing (in front of the transport) and the springs and oil retainers on the back of the transport, under the flywheels, don't let them fall, don't lose them. Grease the flywheel pivot points in back. Reassemble it. If you have the same problem, it may be head wear. If you can't fix it, you must then ship it to me for proper disposal. :) (joking of course) >I'm thinking I need new belts but you be the judge. >Tape transport is unstable tape will be playing fine and then, lose >high frequencies and then, it goes back to being okay for a bit, etc.. From dbrabec at satx.rr.com Sat Mar 15 04:48:12 2003 From: dbrabec at satx.rr.com (David Brabec) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 21:48:12 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] RE: RX-505 Questions(s) Message-ID: <000001c2eaa5$b9277730$2a93a018@scorpionmunchie> David Brabec wrote: > > Made a cutaway tape as shown in the ZX-7 Maint Manual - I can > see where the tape is lifiting off (and bowing) of the heads. > Apparently the capstans aren't running at the same speed? They are not supposed to. The take-up capstan should run 1% to 3% faster than the supply. Ron, How is the take up capstan faster? That would lead to either tape stretch and breakage, or slipping in the capstan/pinch roller which would KILL flutter specs. Sorry, they are NOT faster - can't be. Now, true, one SPINS faster than the other due to different diameter of the capstan - but, the overall tape speed MUST remain 1 and 7/8 IPS on both capstan / pinch roller assemblies. I MAY be wrong (wouldn't be the first time...probably not even today) but logic says they (the capstans) move at the same tape speed - or disaster happens. As for the belt - I've cleaned it a little more (rubber renue) and it's working for now. Need new belts. Dave From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Mar 15 15:48:33 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 09:48:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: RX-505 Questions(s) References: <000001c2eaa5$b9277730$2a93a018@scorpionmunchie> Message-ID: <3E733D41.3746C6A8@rcn.com> David Brabec wrote: > > David Brabec wrote: > > > > Made a cutaway tape as shown in the ZX-7 Maint Manual - I can > > see where the tape is lifiting off (and bowing) of the heads. > > Apparently the capstans aren't running at the same speed? > > They are not supposed to. The take-up capstan should run > 1% to 3% faster than the supply. > > Ron, > > How is the take up capstan faster? That would lead to either > tape stretch and breakage, or slipping in the capstan/pinch roller which > would KILL flutter specs. Sorry, they are NOT faster - can't be. Now, > true, one SPINS faster than the other due to different diameter of the > capstan - but, the overall tape speed MUST remain 1 and 7/8 IPS on both > capstan / pinch roller assemblies. I MAY be wrong (wouldn't be the first > time...probably not even today) but logic says they (the capstans) move > at the same tape speed - or disaster happens. Dave, you are arguing based on what you think should be, rather than what is. In the Dragon, the speed difference is accomplished through the electronics control. In the Sankyo mechanism (CR-7, BX-300 et al), it is accomplished through the mechanical design. From this, it does follow that in normal operation, there is tape slippage in the capstan/pinch roller interface. The tape speed, though, is kept at 1-7/8 ips (+/- 0.5%). The different diameters -- and the ensuing different rotational speeds -- are part of the 'anti-resonance' design and are not related to the speed difference. I can understand when a discussion arises about matters of opinion. I am not sure how to treat factual arguments. Clearly, one of the respondent must be simply wrong. if you have a micrometer, I suggest you measure diameters of the pulleys and capstans, then do the necessary calculations. > As for the belt - I've cleaned it a little more (rubber renue) > and it's working for now. Need new belts. Yep, as already pointed out, the belt was the usual suspect. However, sticking capstan bearings are fairly common, causing the fault you experienced, as well as slow speed and elevated wow. Unless you actually checked for it, as suggested, it may even be present in your deck (the belt cure notwithstanding). -- Ron From dbrabec at satx.rr.com Sat Mar 15 17:01:53 2003 From: dbrabec at satx.rr.com (David Brabec) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 10:01:53 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] RE: RX-505 Question(s) Message-ID: <000201c2eb0c$34b50a50$2a93a018@scorpionmunchie> Well, I certainly don't have a micrometer handy, Ron - so, I'll take your word for it as you are apparently better versed in Nakamichi than I am. Understood that there at least initially has to be a difference in capstan speed to provide tape tension across the heads - but after initial tension is made, it's surprising that the speed stays the same and slippage is relied on. Guess if we keep one capstan / pinch roller clean and tacky - and let the other side get nasty - it would really have a huge affect on tape head contact pressure (not that I am about to do this with anything I own! Mine stay nice and clean, thanks!) Naturally, different tape thicknesses would have an effect on slippage too - thicker tape, less slippage - and more head contact pressure and wear. Doesn't seem like a great design for a mechanism with good flutter performance - but, it's Nakamichi and obviously they know better than I do. I'll have a look at the capstans too. Tape is traveling fine now - but there is a pretty constant tick coming from the take up side during playback (not tape related - happens without tape). If I push down on the pinch roller while playing it quiets down a little bit. Looks like time to take it apart, clean, and give it a little lube. As for the new prices - Ebay can be a fair guide as long as the decks that are obviously in need of repair are excluded. Even a minor repair (classic case, RX-202 idler) drops the price considerably (much to our delight!). Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dbrabec at satx.rr.com Sat Mar 15 17:29:36 2003 From: dbrabec at satx.rr.com (David Brabec) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 10:29:36 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Bias Tune on Cassette Deck 2 Message-ID: <000001c2eb10$147cea10$2a93a018@scorpionmunchie> Andy, I have a Cassette Deck 2 (among..too many others). Because it is a 2 head model, there is no way to monitor the recorded tape in real-time (like you can with almost all 3 head models). First, unless you want to do this all the time - pick ONE tape that you will be using (Maxell, TDK, whatever) and stick to it. Granted, different batches have a little different performance - but it isn't that much different. Now, I will type in directly from the manual.. Bias requirements differ for various kinds of tape. To obtain the best sound quality, it is advisable to always adjust bias before recording. 1. Set the Bias Tune control to the center position and record a source such as interstation noise from an FM tuner at a level of -20dB (second record level indicator segment from left). 2. Play back the tape and compare the recorded sound to the original input signal. 3. If the recording sounds brighter then the original, turn the Bias Tune control clockwise. If the recording sounds less bright, turn the control counterclockwise. 4. Repeat this process a few times to minimize any differences in sound quality. Okay, that was from the manual. You can also use music that you are very familiar with - but make sure that it has a lot of highs in it - and also, keep the recording level low while doing the alignment. As far as rotating the Bias Control goes - don't overdo it. To get an idea of the range - start recording your source and turn the bias control all the way to the left (counterclockwise) - then slowly, while still recording, rotate it back to the center position (good idea to zero counters now for reference) - then, slowly rotate clockwise all the way. Rewind to your start and listen to the tape. When it hits 0000 on the counter, it's in the center position. Once you get it how you like it - as long as you are using the same brand / model of tape - further adjustment is likely unnecessary (maybe just a little tweak if your ears turn golden). Good luck! The Cassette Deck 2 is not an expensive deck (for Nakamichi) - but, I can say that they sound terrific and deserve the Nak name. Dave From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Mar 16 02:17:46 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 01:17:46 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Another Nak site (and plenty of other classic gear, too) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002a01c2eb59$da5c6460$db9f4c51@oemcomputer> Seen this site?? http://www.retroaudio.ru/nakamichi/index.shtml > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.461 / Virus Database: 260 - Release Date: 10/03/03 From enoyes at snet.net Sun Mar 16 04:29:04 2003 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 22:29:04 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: RX-505 Questions(s) References: <3E733D41.3746C6A8@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3E73EF80.1090003@snet.net> I would echo Stephen Sank's words of extreme caution about removing the pinch roller arms. The setup on those parts is extremely critical and near impossible to do without the right test jig. When not set up right, your Nakamichi will chew tape worse than any deck you can imagine. I have found that it is possible to repair this problem most of the time by applying (carefully) some thinner to break down the grease. Since the pinch roller arm is spring loaded, it is possible to work it up and down the shaft a bit and drizzle in some thinner (check to make sure plastics won't get damaged first). It takes some work, but is definitely effective. Ed Michael Mironov wrote: >Hi! > >One more thing I'm seeing pretty often - sticking pich-roller's >arm on it's shaft! Not pinch-rollers itselves but exactly arms shaft! >I've seen about ten cases when pinch rollers will not reach >apropriate position when play or record mode engaged. >Some even not moved at all so I had to remove the arm >using WD-40! > >Misha > > > > >>Yep, as already pointed out, the belt was the usual >>suspect. However, sticking capstan bearings are fairly >>common, causing the fault you experienced, as well as >>slow speed and elevated wow. Unless you actually >>checked for it, as suggested, it may even be present >>in your deck (the belt cure notwithstanding). >> >>-- Ron >> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From abz1 at comcast.net Sun Mar 16 15:29:58 2003 From: abz1 at comcast.net (Andy Zwick) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 09:29:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Bias Tune on Cassette Deck 2 Message-ID: <000001c2ebc8$85c71ac0$ac8e2b44@warn1201.mi.comcast.net> Dave: Thanks for taking the time to type that copy for me; I really appreciate it! I had a hunch it was something like that, but had hoped that there was some sort of baseline guide to use (TDK SAX @2:00, Maxell UDXL @ 4:00, etc). I’ll take some time and get my own settings and thanks again. I’ll second you comment about the sound of the Cassette Deck 2. I know it’s not the best they have to offer, but it clearly stands out over the 3 head Akai and Yamaha machines I’ve been using. I played a 20 year old cassette a few days back and could not believe all the detail that came out; it was marvelous! I initially bought this deck to sell, but probably will wind up keeping it as it looks and sounds great, and considering my limited auditory capabilities, it probably offers me all I can appreciate. Two comments on the Ebay thing. I’ve sold quite a bit on Ebay and find it a very good market pricing model. Here’s an example; I bought the CD2 for $25.00 at a thrift and estimate it would go for $100+ on Ebay after a one week auction. If it were offered at a local used hi-fi shop, it probably would be listed at over $200. So what is the true price? I guess it depends on what you want to put into it. Maybe $200 if you want it on your shelf for weeks/months and are willing to answer questions on it , but the $100 is a better one as it is the end result of offers by informed bidders. Obviously, the thrift price is Christmas in February ;-). As to the Ebay prices, for the most part they seem fair to me. Remember, they are all freely made bids based upon the perceived value of the goods by informed sellers; no one is putting any guns to anyone’s heads there. Yes, some items probably could be had for less if one scoured the thrifts, estate and garage sales, then cleaned and repaired the items, but what is one’s time worth? Sure, I got the CD2 for $25.00, but how many trips did I make to the thrift(s) and sales to find it (don’t ask!)? The treasure hunting is fun and that rush when you find a vintage gem for $20, $10, or $5.00 is huge, but it’s not like it happens every day (or week, for that matter) Personally, I love Ebay as it offers up quality vintage items that may wind up in landfills (I’ve pulled about a dozen items off curbs) to those who know, want and appreciate them. Or at worst, it offers a supply line for the restorers who need a knob for this item, or a faceplate, logo or a driver for that. The only caveat is to watch the feedback and make sure you’re buying from a good person who accurately describes his offering, warts and all. Well off to the CD2 Thanks again, ;-) Andy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 3981 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Mar 17 06:47:48 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 07:47:48 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] APP Cassette AND Ezio's "Pompei" recording Message-ID: Hi Ezio, After a short while away etc, I picked up the parcel you sent - the APP cassette as well as your splendid recording of Pink Floyd's Pompei on a magnificent MA-XG. Many thanks. Bleus, this is great stuff; I shall write a thorough evaluation in the next few days though. Totally fascinating stuff. 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From croquetgod at yahoo.com Mon Mar 17 11:49:22 2003 From: croquetgod at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jens-M.=20Arndt?=) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 11:49:22 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] Looking for CA5E (Preamp) manual Message-ID: <20030317104922.52901.qmail@web13502.mail.yahoo.com> I have just bought a CA5E (although this unit is definitely too good compared to the rest of my equipment and I will just use it as a phono preamp). In case any of the naktalkers should have a manual (owners or service) or review of the ca5 (a or e) I would love to see this being uploaded to ftp.naks.com (I hope Wouter would allow this although the CA5 is not exactly a tapedeck...) Thanks in advance Jens ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei http://premiummail.yahoo.de From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Mar 17 12:04:58 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (wheijke at xs4all.nl) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:04:58 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] Looking for CA5E (Preamp) manual In-Reply-To: <20030317104922.52901.qmail@web13502.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030317104922.52901.qmail@web13502.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <12021.62.72.208.36.1047899098.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> I do allow it since there is/was already a CA5 ownersmanual on the support site! Wouter > I have just bought a CA5E (although this unit is > definitely too good compared to the rest of my > equipment and I will just use it as a phono preamp). > > In case any of the naktalkers should have a manual > (owners or service) or review of the ca5 (a or e) I > would love to see this being uploaded to ftp.naks.com > (I hope Wouter would allow this although the CA5 is > not exactly a tapedeck...) > > Thanks in advance > Jens > > > > > > ===== > 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, > man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat > in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' > (Harry Rowohlt) > > __________________________________________________________________ > > Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de > Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei http://premiummail.yahoo.de > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > From kfendt at gmx.de Mon Mar 17 12:15:22 2003 From: kfendt at gmx.de (kfendt at gmx.de) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:15:22 +0100 (MET) Subject: [naktalk] Pricing info updated References: <20030314133952.28799.qmail@web13501.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <16221.1047899722@www63.gmx.net> Great joke, Jens, a really must-have for every Nakamaniac for proper cleaning. Perhaps I should offer my two ones (Dragon/ZX-9) seldom used and not sealed but "Nakamichi" still readable Klaus > wouter, > > I might have to include this "item" as well: > > http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=14968&item=3012359370&rd=1 > > > Nobody interested in this bargain? > > Rush, only a few hours left.... > > > Jens > > > --- wheijke at xs4all.nl schrieb: > Hi Everybody, > > > > I just udated the pricing page with data provided by > > Jens. > > A few weeks ago i removed the pricing page since the > > info there was about > > 4 years old... But now the second hand data is > > 'fresh' dating february > > 2003. > > > > Wouter > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > > mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ===== > 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, > man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in > einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry > Rowohlt) > > __________________________________________________________________ > > Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de > Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei http://premiummail.yahoo.de > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Klaus Fendt Gerhart-Hauptmann-Ring 5 81737 Muenchen ============================== Tel. +49 (0) 89 634983-contact-me-first Fax. +49 (0) 89 634983-contact-me-first ============================== +++ GMX - Mail, Messaging & more http://www.gmx.net +++ Bitte lächeln! Fotogalerie online mit GMX ohne eigene Homepage! From Nevillemusic at aol.com Tue Mar 18 01:58:55 2003 From: Nevillemusic at aol.com (Nevillemusic at aol.com) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 19:58:55 EST Subject: [naktalk] Which deck? Message-ID: <1ed.48c6228.2ba7c94f@aol.com> Hello, I'm new to the list and need anyone's advice...PLEASE! I'm looking to buy a used deck. I don't need the Dragon, but do want a good, reliable deck. I will use it to play old cassettes that are irreplacable...ultimately recording them to CD. Would a 700II be a good choice? The LX5? I just don't know...there are so many decks. Thank you VERY much for any advice. Also, is eBay the best place to look? Mike From stan.targowski at attbi.com Tue Mar 18 02:26:36 2003 From: stan.targowski at attbi.com (Stan Targowski) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 19:26:36 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Which deck? In-Reply-To: <1ed.48c6228.2ba7c94f@aol.com> Message-ID: Mike - to get the best playback results, a deck with playback azimuth control would do the best job. Something along the lines of DR-1, Cassette Deck 1 may be a good bang for the buck. (Surely Dragon or some of the other esoteric decks would do a great job too, but this may be an overkill in your case, as you state it yourself ...) E-bay is a good place to look. It is the best as far as the volume of units available. You have to be careful when buying though, you can get a gem or piece of junk, make sure you inquire of the seller as much as you can, check his/her ratings, ask for pictures, if something sounds wrong - it probably is, etc. As far as 700II or LX5 - these do not have PBA control, and are older models that may be more difficult to fix or find parts for. Stan -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of Nevillemusic at aol.com Sent: Mon, March 17, 2003 6:59 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Which deck? Hello, I'm new to the list and need anyone's advice...PLEASE! I'm looking to buy a used deck. I don't need the Dragon, but do want a good, reliable deck. I will use it to play old cassettes that are irreplacable...ultimately recording them to CD. Would a 700II be a good choice? The LX5? I just don't know...there are so many decks. Thank you VERY much for any advice. Also, is eBay the best place to look? Mike ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From Nevillemusic at aol.com Tue Mar 18 02:35:05 2003 From: Nevillemusic at aol.com (Nevillemusic at aol.com) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 20:35:05 EST Subject: [naktalk] Which deck? Message-ID: <151.1d29cc33.2ba7d1c9@aol.com> Stan, Thank you very much. I will certainly look at those ( DR 1 & Cassette Deck 1 ). I really appreciate your reply. Those are clearly later models and, well, aught to be quite "ok." Thanks, Mike From wjw at warwick.net Tue Mar 18 03:06:52 2003 From: wjw at warwick.net (Bill Wheatley) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 21:06:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Which deck? References: <1ed.48c6228.2ba7c94f@aol.com> Message-ID: <3E767F3C.C1BBF012@warwick.net> Hi Mike- I 2nd Stan's advice regarding the DR-1 or Cassette Deck 1 as being the decks you should be looking for. The playback azimuth control will allow you to get the best 'highs' out of your tapes when transfering them to CD. I've bought a few of these decks on Ebay over the last year or so, and you should be able to pick one up for between $200-$300. And as Stan says- only bid on the ones that are promised to be in full working condition and ask the seller enough questions to satisfy you that they're selling you a good piece of equipment. Good luck, and happy recording. Nevillemusic at aol.com wrote: > > Hello, > I'm new to the list and need anyone's advice...PLEASE! > I'm looking to buy a used deck. I don't need the Dragon, but do want a good, > reliable deck. > I will use it to play old cassettes that are irreplacable...ultimately > recording them to CD. > Would a 700II be a good choice? The LX5? I just don't know...there are so > many decks. > Thank you VERY much for any advice. Also, is eBay the best place to look? > Mike > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Tue Mar 18 08:11:30 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (wheijke at xs4all.nl) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 08:11:30 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] Which deck? In-Reply-To: <1ed.48c6228.2ba7c94f@aol.com> References: <1ed.48c6228.2ba7c94f@aol.com> Message-ID: <20224.62.72.208.36.1047971490.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> To make things more complex.... (or easy?) I use my LX3 and 480 for that purpose. Having 3 head decks for recording i use these great 2 head Naks for playback of old tapes. What i do is adjust the playback head azimuth manually by using a small screwdriver, works the same, but a little less comfortable. The downside is that you can't use this deck for recording anymore, unless you know how to readjust the playback head again to the right position... Wouter > Hello, > I'm new to the list and need anyone's advice...PLEASE! > I'm looking to buy a used deck. I don't need the Dragon, but do want a > good, > reliable deck. > I will use it to play old cassettes that are irreplacable...ultimately > recording them to CD. > Would a 700II be a good choice? The LX5? I just don't know...there are so > many decks. > Thank you VERY much for any advice. Also, is eBay the best place to look? > Mike > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Mar 18 09:04:25 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 08:04:25 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Which deck? In-Reply-To: <1ed.48c6228.2ba7c94f@aol.com> Message-ID: <001001c2ed24$fdbca740$3c8e4c51@oemcomputer> Mike If you are wanting to play cassettes that have been recorded on decks other than a Nakamichi, I would suggest you should choose a Nak that has adjustable azimuth playback, otherwise your cassettes MIGHT sound disappointing. Other know better than I but I THINK these cassettes decks were Dragon CR7 DR1 If you can't afford these I'd look for a Nak deck that you can try before buying! It would be a great pity to invest in a lovely cassette deck that doesn't do your cassettes justice just because they were recorded on a Sony, Marantz, Aiwa, Technics, etc.. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Nevillemusic at aol.com > Sent: 18 March 2003 00:59 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Which deck? > > > Hello, > I'm new to the list and need anyone's advice...PLEASE! > I'm looking to buy a used deck. I don't need the Dragon, but do > want a good, > reliable deck. > I will use it to play old cassettes that are irreplacable...ultimately > recording them to CD. > Would a 700II be a good choice? The LX5? I just don't know...there are so > many decks. > Thank you VERY much for any advice. Also, is eBay the best place to look? > Mike > = > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.461 / Virus Database: 260 - Release Date: 10/03/03 From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Tue Mar 18 09:34:33 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 10:34:33 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Which Deck: Mike Message-ID: Hi Mike, and welcome!! The guys are right. Playback azimuth adjustment and if applicable, good dolby tracking is what accurate replay is all about. I use a manually adjustable PB azimuth adjust Cassette Deck 1. It's a beautiful machine and an excellent recorder too. The DR-1 is a slightly newer equivalent. Any well looked after, properly tuned Nak is a really nice thing to own and an ear-opener to listen to. Good luck!! Marc The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. 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From croquetgod at yahoo.com Tue Mar 18 12:54:49 2003 From: croquetgod at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jens-M.=20Arndt?=) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 12:54:49 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] 581 review audio 10/79 (german) Message-ID: <20030318115449.32448.qmail@web13507.mail.yahoo.com> wouter, I just uploaded this review (2 pages, jpg file format). jens ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei http://premiummail.yahoo.de From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Mar 18 13:19:36 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 07:19:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Which deck? References: <1ed.48c6228.2ba7c94f@aol.com> <20224.62.72.208.36.1047971490.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <3E770ED8.AB4DA9A2@rcn.com> My thinking exactly, except that I would favour the 582. Used 582s in excellent condition go nowadays for less than $200 (in some cases, appreciably less) and I've had excellent luck with 582 reliability. PB azimuth can be adjusted with a screwdriver (but mark the 'correct' position beforehand, so you can return to it easily). Having 3 heads means that the 582 is very useful for recording. Sonically, it is a very nice deck, indeed (almost as nice as a CR-7, at a fraction of the price). -- Ron wheijke at xs4all.nl wrote: > > To make things more complex.... (or easy?) > > I use my LX3 and 480 for that purpose. Having 3 head decks for recording i > use these great 2 head Naks for playback of old tapes. What i do is adjust > the playback head azimuth manually by using a small screwdriver, works the > same, but a little less comfortable. The downside is that you can't use > this deck for recording anymore, unless you know how to readjust the > playback head again to the right position... > > Wouter > > > Hello, > > I'm new to the list and need anyone's advice...PLEASE! > > I'm looking to buy a used deck. I don't need the Dragon, but do want a > > good, > > reliable deck. > > I will use it to play old cassettes that are irreplacable...ultimately > > recording them to CD. > > Would a 700II be a good choice? The LX5? I just don't know...there are so > > many decks. > > Thank you VERY much for any advice. Also, is eBay the best place to look? > > Mike From Nevillemusic at aol.com Wed Mar 19 04:25:34 2003 From: Nevillemusic at aol.com (Nevillemusic at aol.com) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 22:25:34 EST Subject: [naktalk] Which deck? Message-ID: <163.1d951b8a.2ba93d2e@aol.com> Hi All, I thank each of you for your VERY thoughtful replies about "which deck" I need. Now, to eBay and lookin'. Mike From mkbauer at web.de Wed Mar 19 09:32:34 2003 From: mkbauer at web.de (Markus Bauer) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 09:32:34 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Amplifiers 410/420 Message-ID: <200303190832.h2J8WY218557@mailgate5.cinetic.de> Hi, I am rather new to the list and therfore I hope I am not too off-topic. I own the Nakamichi preamplifier 410 and the power amplifier 420. Due to a damage in my apartment's electrical wiring both of them have been blown up. There is still some hope that both can be repaired. This is good news, since I believe both are really fine components. After a quite difficult search I was able to find a repair shop in Germany that will try to fix them. However, the repair shop has difficulties finding servie manuals and schematic diagrams/circuit diagrams for the 410/420. This raises two questions: 1. Does anyone know where I could buy/get such documents? (Maybe somebody even has some scanned copies of them?!) 2. Do you have any opinions on repair prices I should accept? How much should I spend on the repair before deciding not to have them repaired? I really like these parts, therefore I'd like to have them repaired. 3. In case they cannot be repaired, what would you think I have to spend to get a more modern/current amplifier that has a similar sound and build quality? Do you have any recommendations/suggestions about a modern comparable amplifier?! Thanks in advancve for any useful comments on this, Markus P.S.: Sorry if this mail appears twice. I've sent a first message using the wrong personal account. Therfore the message was rejected. -- Markus Bauer, mailto:mkbauer at web.de ______________________________________________________________________________ Schon wieder Viren-Alarm? Bei WEB.DE FreeMail ist das kein Problem, hier ist der Virencheck inklusive! http://freemail.web.de/features/?mc=021158 From bauer at fzi.de Wed Mar 19 09:27:37 2003 From: bauer at fzi.de (Markus Bauer) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 09:27:37 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Amplifiers 410/420 Message-ID: <3E7829F9.2040500@fzi.de> Hi, I am rather new to the list and therfore I hope I am not too off-topic. I own the Nakamichi preamplifier 410 and the power amplifier 420. Due to a damage in my apartment's electrical wiring both of them have been blown up. There is still some hope that both can be repaired. This is good news, since I believe both are really fine components. After a quite difficult search I was able to find a repair shop in Germany that will try to fix them. However, the repair shop has difficulties finding servie manuals and schematic diagrams/circuit diagrams for the 410/420. This raises two questions: 1. Does anyone know where I could buy/get such documents? (Maybe somebody even has some scanned copies of them?!) 2. Do you have any opinions on repair prices I should accept? How much should I spend on the repair before deciding not to have them repaired? I really like these parts, therefore I'd like to have them repaired. 3. In case they cannot be repaired, what would you think I have to spend to get a more modern/current amplifier that has a similar sound and build quality? Do you have any recommendations/suggestions about a modern comparable amplifier?! Thanks in advancve for any useful comments on this, Markus -- Markus Bauer, mailto:bauer at fzi.de From croquetgod at yahoo.com Wed Mar 19 10:14:14 2003 From: croquetgod at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jens-M.=20Arndt?=) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 10:14:14 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Amplifiers 410/420 In-Reply-To: <200303190832.h2J8WY218557@mailgate5.cinetic.de> Message-ID: <20030319091414.661.qmail@web13506.mail.yahoo.com> Markus, a few weeks ago I asked the naktalkers about their rating of the 410 preamp and received following reply from nakmichi-specialist Steven Sank which I quoting below for your easy reference. However shipping cost to new mexico and vice versa might be prohibitive... There is another nakamichi specialist in the netherlands who might be able to do the repairs, probably one of the other naktalkers can give you his full style. For your guidance a CA5E nakamichi preamp has just been sold for 272,50 euro on ebay germany. Unfortunatley I cannot help you with the service manual(s) Good luck with the repair! Jens-M Arndt Hamburger Berg 23 20359 Hamburg-St. Pauli quote >The 410 is a wonderfully simple, discrete transistor >preamp. I'm quite fond of it, personally, and would >give it a high recommendation. In the same price >ballpark, the Apt Holman has a better & genuinely >superb, phono stage, as well as many more inputs & >features. The 410 might be the better linestage >preamp, though. The original CA-5(not the -II >version) is actually very similar in design to the >410, and is a much prettier unit for not much more >money, usually. >Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer >Talking Dog Transducer Company >http://stephensank.com >5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] (temporarily using >home address, due to imminent shop move) >505-332-0336 >Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer >Payments preferred through Paypal.com unquote --- Markus Bauer schrieb: > Hi, > > I am rather new to the list and therfore I hope I am > not too off-topic. > I own the Nakamichi preamplifier 410 and the power > amplifier 420. Due to a damage in my apartment's > electrical wiring both of them have been blown up. > > There is still some hope that both can be repaired. > This is good news, since I believe both are really > fine components. After a quite difficult search I > was able to find a repair shop in Germany that will > try to fix them. However, the repair shop has > difficulties finding servie manuals and schematic > diagrams/circuit diagrams for the 410/420. > This raises two questions: > > 1. Does anyone know where I could buy/get such > documents? (Maybe somebody even has some scanned > copies of them?!) > > 2. Do you have any opinions on repair prices I > should accept? How much should I spend on the repair > before deciding not to have them repaired? I really > like these parts, therefore I'd like to have them > repaired. > > 3. In case they cannot be repaired, what would you > think I have to spend to get a more modern/current > amplifier that has a similar sound and build > quality? Do you have any recommendations/suggestions > about a modern comparable amplifier?! > > Thanks in advancve for any useful comments on this, > Markus > > P.S.: Sorry if this mail appears twice. I've sent a > first message using the wrong personal account. > Therfore the message was rejected. > -- > Markus Bauer, mailto:mkbauer at web.de > ______________________________________________________________________________ > Schon wieder Viren-Alarm? Bei WEB.DE FreeMail ist > das kein Problem, > hier ist der Virencheck inklusive! > http://freemail.web.de/features/?mc=021158 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei http://premiummail.yahoo.de From aviaalliance at nbi.com.ua Wed Mar 19 12:56:46 2003 From: aviaalliance at nbi.com.ua (aviaalliance) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:56:46 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Request for Nakamichi 480 Service and Instruction manuals Message-ID: <17819427513.20030319145646@nbi.com.ua> Dear Sirs, As the owner of a Nakamichi 480 2 Head Cassette Deck I am desparately need your help in providing me with any manuals available to this device. I would be much obliged to you of you could provide me with both Service and Instruction manuals. I need them eclusively for my personal use and NOT for any kind of profitable distribution. Looking forward to receiving your reply soon. -- Best regards, Dennis Berezhnyy, Kiev Ukraine P.S. Any information on the device(ex. Serial No.) will be forwarded to you on request. mailto:aviaalliance at nbi.com.ua From pasec at relex.ru Wed Mar 19 15:05:42 2003 From: pasec at relex.ru (Pavel V. Pasechnik) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 17:05:42 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal XR References: <17819427513.20030319145646@nbi.com.ua> Message-ID: <075401c2ee20$a0e34bd0$e405a8c0@relex.ru> Hi, All! What can you say about subject tape with compare to Maxell XLII-S? Regards, Pavel. From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Wed Mar 19 15:41:07 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 16:41:07 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal XR Message-ID: Hi Pavel, Comparing the the two tapes, Maxell XLII-S and Sony Metal XR is slightly tricky because the Maxell is a type II and the Sony is a type IV. However, the Maxell is a top class pseudochrome using their proprietry black magnetite particle. It is my favourite type II. It is an exciting sounding tape, with a slight exaggeration in the high frequencies which I happen to like. In the last 10 years, the smaller particle has aided a richer bass balance than before. The sensitivity to high frequencies makes it slightly more immune to azimuth errors when being played on decks other than the one on which it was recorded. It's also a durable tape with a great heat resistant mechanism. The Sony Metal XR is an unusually quiet metal, so it pays to use this particular one without dolby for a very realistic recording. I personally think that it bears no family resemlance to the Sony Metal ES or Metal Master. Unusually for a metal, it is not very tolerant of excessive recording level. It's quite a lightweight mechanism but should not give you any trouble. In a choice between the two, the Metal XR has a slightly firmer tonality, especially in the midrange, and for a metal a low noise floor. The excellent Maxell XLII-S has an effervescent, upfront presentation that is impossible to dislike. In a choice between the two I would choose the Sony if the music to be recorded was delicate acoustic instruments, or very natural, single mike performances. For higher energy music (and the majority of applications) I would select the Maxell. Good luck Pavel, Marc >>> pasec at relex.ru 03/19/03 04:05PM >>> Hi, All! What can you say about subject tape with compare to Maxell XLII-S? Regards, Pavel. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From pasec at relex.ru Wed Mar 19 16:33:16 2003 From: pasec at relex.ru (Pavel V. Pasechnik) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 18:33:16 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal XR References: Message-ID: <076501c2ee2c$dc8af0a0$e405a8c0@relex.ru> Hi! > In a choice between the two, the Metal XR has a slightly firmer tonality, especially in the midrange, and for a metal a low noise floor. The excellent Maxell XLII-S has an effervescent, upfront presentation that is impossible to dislike. In a choice between the two I would choose the Sony if the music to be recorded was delicate acoustic instruments, or very natural, single mike performances. For higher energy music (and the majority of applications) I would select the Maxell. > What is bias setting for Metal XR? Need to choose a tape for recording jazz and classic from vinyl. I can buy XLII-S for about $1.65 and Metal XR price $1.5. Regards, Pavel. From dbadner at earthlink.net Wed Mar 19 14:52:56 2003 From: dbadner at earthlink.net (dbadner at earthlink.net) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 08:52:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] Which deck? Message-ID: <2163689.1048092330011.JavaMail.nobody@kermit.psp.pas.earthlink.net> I used to sell Nakamichi in the 80's so I've had a lot of experience with their equipment. I think that the recommendations here are very good but I also think the left out one deck that I own and am very fond of. That is the BX-300. It is a solidly built no-nonsense 3-headed deck. It was around $700.00 when new and you can now get one for a little over $100.00. It's quite a bargain. The black with gold writing is very attractive too! I found mine in a thrift store for $25.00 and it works great. It's very easy to tell if there is a problem with a three headed deck because the source will not sound like the monitor. Happy hunting! Dave -------Original Message------- From: Nevillemusic at aol.com Sent: 03/17/03 07:58 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Which deck? > > Hello, I'm new to the list and need anyone's advice...PLEASE! I'm looking to buy a used deck. I don't need the Dragon, but do want a good, reliable deck. I will use it to play old cassettes that are irreplacable...ultimately recording them to CD. Would a 700II be a good choice? The LX5? I just don't know...there are so many decks. Thank you VERY much for any advice. Also, is eBay the best place to look? Mike ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Mar 19 19:51:18 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 18:51:18 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Amplifiers 410/420 In-Reply-To: <20030319091414.661.qmail@web13506.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000e01c2ee48$86b107c0$df8c4c51@oemcomputer> The Nakamichi service people in Holland, TransTec, have told me they will not accept Nakamichi products for repair sent from outside the Netherlands. However, you may be more persuasive than me! Graham > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Jens-M. Arndt > Sent: 19 March 2003 09:14 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Amplifiers 410/420 > > > Markus, > > a few weeks ago I asked the naktalkers about their > rating of the 410 preamp and received following reply > from nakmichi-specialist Steven Sank which I quoting > below for your easy reference. > However shipping cost to new mexico and vice versa > might be prohibitive... > There is another nakamichi specialist in the > netherlands who might be able to do the repairs, > probably one of the other naktalkers can give you his > full style. > > For your guidance a CA5E nakamichi preamp has just > been sold for 272,50 euro on ebay germany. > > Unfortunatley I cannot help you with the service > manual(s) > > Good luck with the repair! > > Jens-M Arndt > Hamburger Berg 23 > 20359 Hamburg-St. Pauli > > quote > >The 410 is a wonderfully simple, discrete transistor > >preamp. I'm quite fond of it, personally, and would > >give it a high recommendation. In the same price > >ballpark, the Apt Holman has a better & genuinely > >superb, phono stage, as well as many more inputs & > >features. The 410 might be the better linestage > >preamp, though. The original CA-5(not the -II > >version) is actually very similar in design to the > >410, and is a much prettier unit for not much more > >money, usually. > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer > >Talking Dog Transducer Company > >http://stephensank.com > >5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. > >Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] (temporarily using > >home address, due to imminent shop move) > >505-332-0336 > >Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer > >Payments preferred through Paypal.com > unquote > > --- Markus Bauer schrieb: > Hi, > > > > I am rather new to the list and therfore I hope I am > > not too off-topic. > > I own the Nakamichi preamplifier 410 and the power > > amplifier 420. Due to a damage in my apartment's > > electrical wiring both of them have been blown up. > > > > There is still some hope that both can be repaired. > > This is good news, since I believe both are really > > fine components. After a quite difficult search I > > was able to find a repair shop in Germany that will > > try to fix them. However, the repair shop has > > difficulties finding servie manuals and schematic > > diagrams/circuit diagrams for the 410/420. > > This raises two questions: > > > > 1. Does anyone know where I could buy/get such > > documents? (Maybe somebody even has some scanned > > copies of them?!) > > > > 2. Do you have any opinions on repair prices I > > should accept? How much should I spend on the repair > > before deciding not to have them repaired? I really > > like these parts, therefore I'd like to have them > > repaired. > > > > 3. In case they cannot be repaired, what would you > > think I have to spend to get a more modern/current > > amplifier that has a similar sound and build > > quality? Do you have any recommendations/suggestions > > about a modern comparable amplifier?! > > > > Thanks in advancve for any useful comments on this, > > Markus > > > > P.S.: Sorry if this mail appears twice. I've sent a > > first message using the wrong personal account. > > Therfore the message was rejected. > > -- > > Markus Bauer, mailto:mkbauer at web.de > > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.461 / Virus Database: 260 - Release Date: 10/03/03 From khmerideth at anderson.edu Wed Mar 19 22:23:44 2003 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 16:23:44 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal XR Message-ID: Pavel, The bias setting is "ZX", which is the metal "Type IV" (as in Roman Numeral for 4). With the types of music you mention, it would probably be best to use the XR without noise reduction. The final decision should be what sounds best to your ears, with or without noise reduction. Kent Merideth >>> pasec at relex.ru 03/19/03 10:33AM >>> Hi! > In a choice between the two, the Metal XR has a slightly firmer tonality, especially in the midrange, and for a metal a low noise floor. The excellent Maxell XLII-S has an effervescent, upfront presentation that is impossible to dislike. In a choice between the two I would choose the Sony if the music to be recorded was delicate acoustic instruments, or very natural, single mike performances. For higher energy music (and the majority of applications) I would select the Maxell. > What is bias setting for Metal XR? Need to choose a tape for recording jazz and classic from vinyl. I can buy XLII-S for about $1.65 and Metal XR price $1.5. Regards, Pavel. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Mar 19 21:13:28 2003 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 13:13:28 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Amplifiers 410/420 References: <200303190832.h2J8WY218557@mailgate5.cinetic.de> Message-ID: <049a01c2ee54$02482020$2b3442cf@steve> I have the service manual for the 410, but not the 420, which I can scan and email the diagrams from in pdf format. You'll just have to let me know if your email server has any size/quantity limits on email file attachments. The two units are such simple designs, though, that I am a bit surprised that your servicer even needs the diagrams. Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer Talking Dog Transducer Company http://stephensank.com 5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] (temporarily using home address, due to imminent shop move) 505-332-0336 Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer Payments preferred through Paypal.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Markus Bauer" To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 1:32 AM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Amplifiers 410/420 > Hi, > > I am rather new to the list and therfore I hope I am not too off-topic. > I own the Nakamichi preamplifier 410 and the power amplifier 420. Due to a damage in my apartment's electrical wiring both of them have been blown up. > > There is still some hope that both can be repaired. This is good news, since I believe both are really fine components. After a quite difficult search I was able to find a repair shop in Germany that will try to fix them. However, the repair shop has difficulties finding servie manuals and schematic diagrams/circuit diagrams for the 410/420. > This raises two questions: > > 1. Does anyone know where I could buy/get such documents? (Maybe somebody even has some scanned copies of them?!) > > 2. Do you have any opinions on repair prices I should accept? How much should I spend on the repair before deciding not to have them repaired? I really like these parts, therefore I'd like to have them repaired. > > 3. In case they cannot be repaired, what would you think I have to spend to get a more modern/current amplifier that has a similar sound and build quality? Do you have any recommendations/suggestions about a modern comparable amplifier?! > > Thanks in advancve for any useful comments on this, > Markus > > P.S.: Sorry if this mail appears twice. I've sent a first message using the wrong personal account. Therfore the message was rejected. > -- > Markus Bauer, mailto:mkbauer at web.de > ____________________________________________________________________________ __ > Schon wieder Viren-Alarm? Bei WEB.DE FreeMail ist das kein Problem, > hier ist der Virencheck inklusive! http://freemail.web.de/features/?mc=021158 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Thu Mar 20 16:39:06 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 17:39:06 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal XR Message-ID: Howdy Pavel, Considering your music selection, and the relative prices of the two tapes I would agree entirely with Kent. The XR will sound excellent without NR. Tuning wise, go by your ears, but in general, XR will not need any additional bias. See how far you can go on the recording level, listening carefully for any compression of high treble. Happy recording!! Marc >>> khmerideth at anderson.edu 03/19/03 11:23PM >>> Pavel, The bias setting is "ZX", which is the metal "Type IV" (as in Roman Numeral for 4). With the types of music you mention, it would probably be best to use the XR without noise reduction. The final decision should be what sounds best to your ears, with or without noise reduction. Kent Merideth >>> pasec at relex.ru 03/19/03 10:33AM >>> Hi! > In a choice between the two, the Metal XR has a slightly firmer tonality, especially in the midrange, and for a metal a low noise floor. The excellent Maxell XLII-S has an effervescent, upfront presentation that is impossible to dislike. In a choice between the two I would choose the Sony if the music to be recorded was delicate acoustic instruments, or very natural, single mike performances. For higher energy music (and the majority of applications) I would select the Maxell. > What is bias setting for Metal XR? Need to choose a tape for recording jazz and classic from vinyl. I can buy XLII-S for about $1.65 and Metal XR price $1.5. Regards, Pavel. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. 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Is it one of you folks? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/ eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3013210794&category=4784 BTW I'm on a look out for a CR7 that would run on a 220V Power in Asia. Thanks Adam From kfendt at gmx.de Fri Mar 21 08:02:12 2003 From: kfendt at gmx.de (kfendt at gmx.de) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 08:02:12 +0100 (MET) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Amplifiers 410/420 References: <200303190832.h2J8WY218557@mailgate5.cinetic.de> Message-ID: <22279.1048230132@www38.gmx.net> Hi Markus, find service manuals for your components there: http://www.schaltungsdienst.de Enter the "Katalog" page, enter "NA" for manufacturerer and "410" or "420" for your machines. I buy manuals there regularly - these guys deliver prompt. You also can make a telephone call (Berlin) to ask for the exact costs. Klaus > Hi, > > I am rather new to the list and therfore I hope I am not too off-topic. > I own the Nakamichi preamplifier 410 and the power amplifier 420. Due to a > damage in my apartment's electrical wiring both of them have been blown > up. > > There is still some hope that both can be repaired. This is good news, > since I believe both are really fine components. After a quite difficult > search I was able to find a repair shop in Germany that will try to fix them. > However, the repair shop has difficulties finding servie manuals and > schematic diagrams/circuit diagrams for the 410/420. > This raises two questions: > > 1. Does anyone know where I could buy/get such documents? (Maybe somebody > even has some scanned copies of them?!) > > 2. Do you have any opinions on repair prices I should accept? How much > should I spend on the repair before deciding not to have them repaired? I > really like these parts, therefore I'd like to have them repaired. > > 3. In case they cannot be repaired, what would you think I have to spend > to get a more modern/current amplifier that has a similar sound and build > quality? Do you have any recommendations/suggestions about a modern > comparable amplifier?! > > Thanks in advancve for any useful comments on this, > Markus > > P.S.: Sorry if this mail appears twice. I've sent a first message using > the wrong personal account. Therfore the message was rejected. > -- > Markus Bauer, mailto:mkbauer at web.de > ______________________________________________________________________________ > Schon wieder Viren-Alarm? 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From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Mar 21 18:44:19 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 12:44:19 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 service Manual Message-ID: <3E7B4F73.A7391D75@rcn.com> Hi, everyone, I have just bought an MR-1, for which I'd like to get a service manual. Since the support site is no longer available to us, I wonder if anyone has a copy floating around on their hard drive? TIA for any help, -- Ron From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Mar 21 23:14:47 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 22:14:47 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] TEST (E-MAIL PROBLEMS ... EXCUSE ME, GUYS - GOT TO SEE IF THIS IS WORKING) In-Reply-To: <2163689.1048092330011.JavaMail.nobody@kermit.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <001a01c2eff7$48d0cfc0$26944c51@oemcomputer> > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.463 / Virus Database: 262 - Release Date: 17/03/03 From gaderson at mac.com Sat Mar 22 04:51:25 2003 From: gaderson at mac.com (Erik Gaderlund) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 19:51:25 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 service Manual In-Reply-To: <3E7B4F73.A7391D75@rcn.com> References: <3E7B4F73.A7391D75@rcn.com> Message-ID: I never found anything for the MR-1 on the FTP site, but, the BX300 is suposed to be simmilar, any others? erik g At 12:44 -0500 03/21/03, Ron wrote: >Hi, everyone, > >I have just bought an MR-1, for which I'd like to get a service >manual. Since the support site is no longer available to us, I >wonder if anyone has a copy floating around on their hard drive? > >TIA for any help, > >-- Ron > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From croquetgod at yahoo.com Sat Mar 22 19:00:56 2003 From: croquetgod at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jens-M.=20Arndt?=) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 19:00:56 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] nak reviews rx202 and cr7 Message-ID: <20030322180057.17449.qmail@web13509.mail.yahoo.com> wouter, I have just completed the upload of following reviews (both in german): CR7E (vs dragon vs revox b215), Audio 02/86, 6 pages, jpg file format and RX202E (vs kenwood kx-880SR vs philips F 6335), Audio 05/84, 6 pages, jpg file format jens ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei http://premiummail.yahoo.de From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Sat Mar 22 20:25:08 2003 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 20:25:08 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: Offer from a eBay Member Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030322202438.00aac880@box.tin.it> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dbrabec at satx.rr.com Tue Mar 25 03:27:42 2003 From: dbrabec at satx.rr.com (David Brabec) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 20:27:42 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Adjusting Tape Speed Message-ID: <000001c2f276$1f3a4390$2a93a018@scorpionmunchie> Just a little note. Had read on the forums that people suggest that one way to adjust tape speed without the reference 3K tape and freq counter is to use a factory cassette and CD – and match the times of passages of songs. This IS truly a good idea – however, in my testing, I have found that the quality of factory tapes is very lacking. For example, one tape played back on one deck (and compared to exact same song on CD) is 1 and ½ seconds slow over 4 minutes – and, another tape says that the deck is actually fast – so, not reliable AT ALL. However got to thinking – and remembered that XDR cassettes were supposed to be of higher quality. Found one – and downloaded the song from the internet. I have a Sony TC-KA3ES deck (bash if you want – but, it IS a great deck, even though made by Sony). It’s advantage? Quartz locked motor. What do you know – the XDR tapes (2 of them) were DEAD on speed wise with this deck – so, MUST assume that it is right. (Dead on - as in, timing it twice with my stopwatch and not even 1/5 of a second off in 4 minutes..I'd say that's DEAD on!) From there – use the deck to record a tone – in my case, 1.999 Hz (my meter resolves that as 1999 – if I go to 2000 Hz it resolves as 2.00Khz – so, better resolution). Play back on the other decks – get it within, oh 1 hz say – and verify with the XDR tape. ALL of my decks are WELL within 1 second over 4 minutes now – typically much less than ½ second – and that equates to about .21% (nak spec is .5%) Actually, the decks are..well, between 1/5 and 2/5 of a second off – so it’s even better than that. So, yes, it CAN be done – but just be wary of the quality of factory cassettes – I have seen where they vary tremendously as far as speed accuracy from tape to tape. The XDR tapes, in my experience, appear to be DEAD on. Dave From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Mar 25 15:26:54 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 09:26:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Adjusting Tape Speed References: <000001c2f276$1f3a4390$2a93a018@scorpionmunchie> Message-ID: <3E80672E.11489BA7@rcn.com> Sounds like a reasonable speed measurement scheme. However, using it to adjust speed would be very time consuming. It could take quite a few 4 minute passes to get the deck speed right on. For someone that has a known-accurate deck, it would make sense to record computer generated 3000Hz on it and use the resulting tape to adjust the speed on the questionable deck. -- Ron David Brabec wrote: > > Just a little note. Had read on the forums that people suggest > that one way to adjust tape speed without the reference 3K tape and freq > counter is to use a factory cassette and CD – and match the times of > passages of songs. This IS truly a good idea – however, in my testing, > I have found that the quality of factory tapes is very lacking. For > example, one tape played back on one deck (and compared to exact same > song on CD) is 1 and ½ seconds slow over 4 minutes – and, another tape > says that the deck is actually fast – so, not reliable AT ALL. > However got to thinking – and remembered that XDR cassettes were > supposed to be of higher quality. Found one – and downloaded the song > from the internet. I have a Sony TC-KA3ES deck (bash if you want – but, > it IS a great deck, even though made by Sony). It’s advantage? Quartz > locked motor. What do you know – the XDR tapes (2 of them) were DEAD on > speed wise with this deck – so, MUST assume that it is right. (Dead on - > as in, timing it twice with my stopwatch and not even 1/5 of a second > off in 4 minutes..I'd say that's DEAD on!) > From there – use the deck to record a tone – in my case, 1.999 > Hz (my meter resolves that as 1999 – if I go to 2000 Hz it resolves as > 2.00Khz – so, better resolution). Play back on the other decks – get it > within, oh 1 hz say – and verify with the XDR tape. > ALL of my decks are WELL within 1 second over 4 minutes now – > typically much less than ½ second – and that equates to about .21% (nak > spec is .5%) Actually, the decks are..well, between 1/5 and 2/5 of a > second off – so it’s even better than that. > > So, yes, it CAN be done – but just be wary of the quality of > factory cassettes – I have seen where they vary tremendously as far as > speed accuracy from tape to tape. The XDR tapes, in my experience, > appear to be DEAD on. > > Dave From wdrewes at iafrica.com Tue Mar 25 16:12:03 2003 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wme drewes) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 17:12:03 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Message-ID: <000a01c2f2e0$e4d11920$af16fea9@wdrewes> I have just been offered (locally) a 1000ZXL machine .The owner maintains that it is in 'excellent' condition and that he has not used it in years! As is the case normally under these circumstances "it only has a intermitant problem in one channel" As he only wanted the equivalent of $US 310 I wondered whether anybody can advise me to buy or not? Usage on the machine has genuinely been minimal:but I dont want to chase good money after a non recommended deal! Is the problem common for this computer or akin to orange cap desease ?Our climate here is as humid as in Florida USA . Walter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Mar 25 18:08:04 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 00:08:04 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL References: <000a01c2f2e0$e4d11920$af16fea9@wdrewes> Message-ID: <002a01c2f2f1$213bc300$77299bca@smarzuki> Walter, don't wait finishing this email, buy it for display purposes !!! The computer flaw imho will always be in recording area. Intermittent problem could be caps or dirty switch. If you plan to keep it, be prepared to spend time ... and more time ... but once it's working you'll be rewarded with special playback sound and impressed with the recording. I didn't have that many problem with playback, only dead 45xxs and one logic chip. Recording is a different matter as that a.b.l.e. thing is a real pain. In short, highly recommended, especially if not tampered before (otherwise you'll have real fun troubleshooting =) Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: wme drewes To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 10:12 PM Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL I have just been offered (locally) a 1000ZXL machine .The owner maintains that it is in 'excellent' condition and that he has not used it in years! As is the case normally under these circumstances "it only has a intermitant problem in one channel" As he only wanted the equivalent of $US 310 I wondered whether anybody can advise me to buy or not? Usage on the machine has genuinely been minimal:but I dont want to chase good money after a non recommended deal! Is the problem common for this computer or akin to orange cap desease ?Our climate here is as humid as in Florida USA . Walter From dbrabec at satx.rr.com Tue Mar 25 18:59:07 2003 From: dbrabec at satx.rr.com (David Brabec) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 11:59:07 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Adjusting Tape Speed Message-ID: <000001c2f2f8$3d221450$2a93a018@scorpionmunchie> Ron - If you look below, you will see that I DID make a test tape (1999 Hz) and that is what I use to adjust the tape speed. The only reason that I listen to a passage now is to verify - which really isn't required at all as they always come out very close as long as I adjust the speed to within +- 1Hz with the 1999Hz test tape. The whole purpose of this was that factory music tapes are inaccurate Speed wise - one is fast, one is slow, and by varying degrees - and that Made it necessary to make an ACCURATE speed calibration tape. It is not time consuming at all, Ron. I put in the test tape, adjust the speed to +- 1Hz, and I'm done (unless I want to listen to a passage to verify, which, as stated, isn't necessary). Takes the same amount of time as using a factory 3KHz tape, and, assuming my tape is accurate (which I am confident it is) it is easy to get a deck calibrated to well within Nakamichi spec of .5% Dave Ron wrote: Sounds like a reasonable speed measurement scheme. However, using it to adjust speed would be very time consuming. It could take quite a few 4 minute passes to get the deck speed right on. For someone that has a known-accurate deck, it would make sense to record computer generated 3000Hz on it and use the resulting tape to adjust the speed on the questionable deck. -- Ron David Brabec wrote: > > Just a little note. Had read on the forums that people suggest > that one way to adjust tape speed without the reference 3K tape and freq > counter is to use a factory cassette and CD – and match the times of > passages of songs. This IS truly a good idea – however, in my testing, > I have found that the quality of factory tapes is very lacking. For > example, one tape played back on one deck (and compared to exact same > song on CD) is 1 and ½ seconds slow over 4 minutes – and, another tape > says that the deck is actually fast – so, not reliable AT ALL. > However got to thinking – and remembered that XDR cassettes were > supposed to be of higher quality. Found one – and downloaded the song > from the internet. I have a Sony TC-KA3ES deck (bash if you want – but, > it IS a great deck, even though made by Sony). It’s advantage? Quartz > locked motor. What do you know – the XDR tapes (2 of them) were DEAD on > speed wise with this deck – so, MUST assume that it is right. (Dead on - > as in, timing it twice with my stopwatch and not even 1/5 of a second > off in 4 minutes..I'd say that's DEAD on!) > From there – use the deck to record a tone – in my case, 1.999 > Hz (my meter resolves that as 1999 – if I go to 2000 Hz it resolves as > 2.00Khz – so, better resolution). Play back on the other decks – get it > within, oh 1 hz say – and verify with the XDR tape. > ALL of my decks are WELL within 1 second over 4 minutes now – > typically much less than ½ second – and that equates to about .21% (nak > spec is .5%) Actually, the decks are..well, between 1/5 and 2/5 of a > second off – so it’s even better than that. > > So, yes, it CAN be done – but just be wary of the quality of > factory cassettes – I have seen where they vary tremendously as far as > speed accuracy from tape to tape. The XDR tapes, in my experience, > appear to be DEAD on. > > Dave From kannan_s at vsnl.com Tue Mar 25 18:59:13 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 23:29:13 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Message-ID: <20030325175913.63BA1114950@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From jdieguez at wanadoo.es Tue Mar 25 22:21:15 2003 From: jdieguez at wanadoo.es (Javi Dieguez) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 22:21:15 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] DR-1 for auction Message-ID: <004401c2f314$84ba69e0$d2096750@javi> Hello naktalkers! I have decided I have more than enough with my dragon, so I'm selling my DR-1. The speed is not 100% accurate but it's otherwise in very good shape with really low hours, I hope that it will find a new owner that will put it to good use. Bids start at £1.00 with no reserve. The link is http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3015241901&category=4784 Have fun! Javier From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Mar 25 22:51:24 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 21:51:24 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL In-Reply-To: <000a01c2f2e0$e4d11920$af16fea9@wdrewes> Message-ID: <000101c2f318$ade7a7c0$d59087d9@oemcomputer> Very tempting! I'd try it first, of course, and if I liked it, I'd not hesitate for a moment more! I mean, even if you decided not to keep it I'd have thought you could sell it for a reasonable margin ... Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of wme drewes Sent: 25 March 2003 15:12 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL I have just been offered (locally) a 1000ZXL machine .The owner maintains that it is in 'excellent' condition and that he has not used it in years! As is the case normally under these circumstances "it only has a intermitant problem in one channel" As he only wanted the equivalent of $US 310 I wondered whether anybody can advise me to buy or not? Usage on the machine has genuinely been minimal:but I dont want to chase good money after a non recommended deal! Is the problem common for this computer or akin to orange cap desease ?Our climate here is as humid as in Florida USA . Walter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.463 / Virus Database: 262 - Release Date: 17/03/03 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From croquetgod at yahoo.com Tue Mar 25 23:28:15 2003 From: croquetgod at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jens-M.=20Arndt?=) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 23:28:15 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL In-Reply-To: <000101c2f318$ade7a7c0$d59087d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20030325222815.33597.qmail@web13507.mail.yahoo.com> two 1000 zxl have recently been sold on ebay: one for 740.00 USD (ebay auction 3010755748) and the other onbe for 600.00 GBP (abt 960 usd, ebay auction 3012392839), so take it there is still some "room" for service left..... the question remains whether you would really sell the 1000 zxl once it has been serviced... jens --- Graham Nelson schrieb: > Very tempting! I'd try it first, of course, and if > I liked it, I'd not > hesitate for a moment more! I mean, even if you > decided not to keep it I'd > have thought you could sell it for a reasonable > margin ... > > Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf > Of wme drewes > Sent: 25 March 2003 15:12 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL > > > I have just been offered (locally) a 1000ZXL > machine .The owner maintains > that it is in 'excellent' condition and that he has > not used it in years! As > is the case normally > under these circumstances "it only has a > intermitant problem in one > channel" As he only wanted the equivalent of $US 310 > I wondered whether > anybody can advise me to buy or not? Usage on the > machine has genuinely been > minimal:but I dont want to chase good money after a > non recommended deal! > Is the problem common for this computer or akin to > orange cap desease ?Our > climate here is as humid as in Florida USA . > Walter > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system > (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.463 / Virus Database: 262 - Release > Date: 17/03/03 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei http://premiummail.yahoo.de From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Mar 25 23:49:42 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 22:49:42 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL In-Reply-To: <20030325222815.33597.qmail@web13507.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000d01c2f320$d2c4a180$d59087d9@oemcomputer> Too right, Jens. I knew I'd not be able to sell the RX505 I won if I saw it in the flesh, so to speak. A picture of it sat on Stephen's work bench was easier to leave behind! (Making a few quid on the deal helped, too!) Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Jens-M. Arndt > Sent: 25 March 2003 22:28 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] 1000ZXL > > > two 1000 zxl have recently been sold on ebay: > > one for 740.00 USD (ebay auction 3010755748) and the > other onbe for 600.00 GBP (abt 960 usd, ebay auction > 3012392839), so take it there is still some "room" for > service left..... > > the question remains whether you would really sell the > 1000 zxl once it has been serviced... > > jens > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.463 / Virus Database: 262 - Release Date: 17/03/03 From croquetgod at yahoo.com Wed Mar 26 18:29:53 2003 From: croquetgod at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jens-M.=20Arndt?=) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 18:29:53 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] 2 more reviews: rx505 and cr7 Message-ID: <20030326172953.16354.qmail@web13502.mail.yahoo.com> wouter, I have just uploaded foll reviews: - rx505e audio 12/86 (black and white only), german - cr7e hivivision 02/86, german jens ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei http://premiummail.yahoo.de From jmtooley at ce.net Wed Mar 26 20:00:19 2003 From: jmtooley at ce.net (jmtooley at ce.net) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 14:00:19 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC Message-ID: <1048705219.3e81f8c377061@mail.ce.net> I have a Go Video DVR5100 DVD / VCR unit. Two questions. 1. Is there any other way to set time on clock besides using Setup? The clock appears to be losing time which makes recordings start late. I've turned off Auto under Setup as this appears to get the time from a cable channel that is way off of the correct time. Go Video Support suggests that I unplug the unit and reset the clock which I'll try first. 2. I tried to copy a commerial DVD disc to VHS tape last night and got "DVD is copy protected" or some such language. Can this be overidden in some way? Thank you, John T. From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Mar 26 22:49:38 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 16:49:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC References: <1048705219.3e81f8c377061@mail.ce.net> Message-ID: <3E822072.E01D7A1A@rcn.com> jmtooley at ce.net wrote: > > I have a Go Video DVR5100 DVD / VCR unit. Two questions. 1. Is there any other > way to set time on clock besides using Setup? The clock appears to be losing > time which makes recordings start late. I've turned off Auto under Setup as > this appears to get the time from a cable channel that is way off of the > correct time. Go Video Support suggests that I unplug the unit and reset the > clock which I'll try first. 2. I tried to copy a commerial DVD disc to VHS tape > last night and got "DVD is copy protected" or some such language. Can this be > overidden in some way? > > Thank you, > John T. > Question 1: this is very model specific. I doubt anyone here can give you a better answer than Go-Video Service people. IME, such fault, in a Panasonic VCR, was linked to the TB crystal. Question 2: If your model allows you to play back a DVD and *separately* record a tape at the same time (this means that you have DVD output connectors and VHS input connectors that can be used simultaneously) then you can add a Macrovision eliminator, such as the Sima SCC, in the external path. The Go-Video model I've seen did not have a full connector complement and did not allow this to be done. BTW, I suspect Wouter will be happier if we relegated such discussions to the AudioTalk list and kept this one more Nak related. Regards, -- Ron From gwmunger at bestweb.net Thu Mar 27 05:29:32 2003 From: gwmunger at bestweb.net (geochapp20) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 23:29:32 EST Subject: [naktalk] Re: Speed can Kill Message-ID: <3e827e2c.a972.0@bestweb.net> SPEED CAN KILL. I think speed accuracy is important for any source & recording gear/medium (not ONLY the cassette deck), for which there is succeptability to audible speed variation; audible being an operative word. Whether open reel, turntable, or cassette, audible speed inaccuracy can change, diminish, or even kill the end product: the joy of listening; let along the side-step from reality. For me, by-producs of inaccurate speed can range from not-being-happy-to-my-tape, to, my being down-right pissed-off (angry) at myself, or at the world (or something like that); ultimately I either choose not to listen to the tape and/or I wasted precious time, which again, pisses-me-off. Anyway, I try to make it all work by the rule of thumb (or ear); If I can HEAR the difference, then it matters and so, the problem should be researched and correction attempted, if reasonably possible. Not only your Nak, but every thing else under your measurement control, could be measured and hopefully corrected. I do not know the physics involved, nor how & what of the measurements, but if you notice (care), then a fix may be something to persue further. I DO KNOW that tape stretch affects accuracy and, so with use, longer, thinner tapes are more susceptable than shorter, thicker types; so be careful; think again before useing fast-forward or rewind; maybe do not use them at all?!? I say, if I'm going to do it (and I do it with a Nak), then I should do it right, and do whatever it takes to make 'right' happen. You have the power. Thank you Naktalkers. I hope you have a reasonable day. George >Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 20:27:42 -0600 >From: "David Brabec" >Subject: [naktalk] Adjusting Tape Speed >To: >Message-ID: <000001c2f276$1f3a4390$2a93a018 at scorpionmunchie> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > Just a little note. Had read on the forums that people suggest that one way to adjust tape speed without the reference 3K tape and freq counter is to use a factory cassette and CD – and match the times of passages of songs. This IS truly a good idea – however, in my testing, I have found that the quality of factory tapes is very lacking. For example, one tape played back on one deck (and compared to exact same song on CD) is 1 and ½ seconds slow over 4 minutes – and, another tape says that the deck is actually fast – so, not reliable AT ALL. owever got to thinking – and remembered that XDR cassettes were supposed to be of higher quality. Found one – and downloaded the song from the internet. I have a Sony TC-KA3ES deck (bash if you want – but, it IS a great deck, even though made by Sony). It’s advantage? Quartz locked motor. What do you know – the XDR tapes (2 of them) were DEAD on speed wise with this deck – so, MUST assume that it is right. (Dead on - >as in, timing it twice with my stopwatch and not even 1/5 of a second off in 4 minutes..I'd say that's DEAD on!) From there – use the deck to record a tone – in my case, 1.999 >Hz (my meter resolves that as 1999 – if I go to 2000 Hz it resolves as >2.00Khz – so, better resolution). Play back on the other decks – get it >within, oh 1 hz say – and verify with the XDR tape. > ALL of my decks are WELL within 1 second over 4 minutes now – >typically much less than ½ second – and that equates to about .21% (nak >spec is .5%) Actually, the decks are..well, between 1/5 and 2/5 of a >second off – so it’s even better than that. > > So, yes, it CAN be done – but just be wary of the quality of >factory cassettes – I have seen where they vary tremendously as far as >speed accuracy from tape to tape. The XDR tapes, in my experience, >appear to be DEAD on. > > Dave > ------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 09:26:54 -0500 >From: Ron >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Adjusting Tape Speed >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Message-ID: <3E80672E.11489BA7 at rcn.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > >Sounds like a reasonable speed measurement scheme. However, using >it to adjust speed would be very time consuming. It could take >quite a few 4 minute passes to get the deck speed right on. For >someone that has a known-accurate deck, it would make sense to >record computer generated 3000Hz on it and use the resulting tape >to adjust the speed on the questionable deck. > >-- Ron > > >David Brabec wrote: >> >> Just a little note. Had read on the forums that people suggest >> that one way to adjust tape speed without the reference 3K tape and freq >> counter is to use a factory cassette and CD – and match the times of >> passages of songs. This IS truly a good idea – however, in my testing, >> I have found that the quality of factory tapes is very lacking. For >> example, one tape played back on one deck (and compared to exact same >> song on CD) is 1 and ½ seconds slow over 4 minutes – and, another tape >> says that the deck is actually fast – so, not reliable AT ALL. >> However got to thinking – and remembered that XDR cassettes were >> supposed to be of higher quality. Found one – and downloaded the song >> from the internet. I have a Sony TC-KA3ES deck (bash if you want – but, >> it IS a great deck, even though made by Sony). It’s advantage? Quartz >> locked motor. What do you know – the XDR tapes (2 of them) were DEAD on >> speed wise with this deck – so, MUST assume that it is right. (Dead on - >> as in, timing it twice with my stopwatch and not even 1/5 of a second >> off in 4 minutes..I'd say that's DEAD on!) >> From there – use the deck to record a tone – in my case, 1.999 >> Hz (my meter resolves that as 1999 – if I go to 2000 Hz it resolves as >> 2.00Khz – so, better resolution). Play back on the other decks – get it >> within, oh 1 hz say – and verify with the XDR tape. >> ALL of my decks are WELL within 1 second over 4 minutes now – >> typically much less than ½ second – and that equates to about .21% (nak >> spec is .5%) Actually, the decks are..well, between 1/5 and 2/5 of a >> second off – so it’s even better than that. >> >> So, yes, it CAN be done – but just be wary of the quality of >> factory cassettes – I have seen where they vary tremendously as far as >> speed accuracy from tape to tape. The XDR tapes, in my experience, >> appear to be DEAD on. >> >> Dave From Sven.Schultz at t-online.de Thu Mar 27 07:27:31 2003 From: Sven.Schultz at t-online.de (Sven Schultz) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 07:27:31 +0100 Subject: AW: [naktalk] ftp access In-Reply-To: <15774.62.72.208.36.1047647639.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <000601c2f429$f3085040$0100000a@amd1333> Hi Wouter - I can't log in the ftp server, it tell's me only one person can have access ? Best regards Sven -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com] Im Auftrag von wheijke at xs4all.nl Gesendet: Freitag, 14. März 2003 14:14 An: naktalk at naks.com Betreff: [naktalk] ftp access Hi Everyone, I've created an ftp account exclusively for downloading the latest additions to the support/ftp site. To access these files you need an ftp client, so access through support.naks.com won't work anymore. This how you get there: server: ftp.naks.com user: pdfdownloadguest password: n3r0 Wouter ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu Mar 27 08:18:15 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (wheijke at xs4all.nl) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 08:18:15 +0100 (CET) Subject: AW: [naktalk] ftp access In-Reply-To: <000601c2f429$f3085040$0100000a@amd1333> References: <15774.62.72.208.36.1047647639.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <000601c2f429$f3085040$0100000a@amd1333> Message-ID: <6658.62.72.208.36.1048749495.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Hi Sven, That's right, only one at a time. Wouter > Hi Wouter - > > I can't log in the ftp server, it tell's me only one person can have > access ? > > Best regards > > Sven > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com] Im Auftrag > von wheijke at xs4all.nl > Gesendet: Freitag, 14. März 2003 14:14 > An: naktalk at naks.com > Betreff: [naktalk] ftp access > > Hi Everyone, > > I've created an ftp account exclusively for downloading the latest > additions to the support/ftp site. > > To access these files you need an ftp client, so access through > support.naks.com won't work anymore. > > This how you get there: > > server: ftp.naks.com > user: pdfdownloadguest > password: n3r0 > > Wouter > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > From dbrabec at satx.rr.com Thu Mar 27 10:02:06 2003 From: dbrabec at satx.rr.com (David Brabec) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 03:02:06 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Speed can Kill Message-ID: <000001c2f43f$8ad8dba0$2a93a018@scorpionmunchie> George, Correct, some of the thinner tapes do stretch - and maybe not a bad idea to lay off the FF and rewind (especially if you have a TON of torque in the reel tables - like, just replaced the idler or something). However, tape stretch IS audible - and will always be in the beginning or end of the tape (largely absorbed by the leader) unless you have an extreme amount of tension across the heads or have take up torque miscalibrated to an extreme. Tape stretches like taffy - a little here, more here - it is NOT linear - so, if it is in the recorded section, it will be noticeable as wow (assuming a lot of stretch). Even if you don't hear the speed difference when listening - it still matters. If I record a tape - and it is recording .5% slow - and then play it back in a deck that is .5% fast (both decks MEET Nakamichi spec!) - well, obviously, that is 1% off - which is audible to most of us, especially if the music is "familiar". If you only have one deck - and all you do is record and playback the SAME tape (never play "factory" tape or ones that others record for you) - then tape speed accuracy makes zero difference - in fact the further it is off on the fast side, the better (for frequency response) - although.your motor and such may not appreciate a LARGE difference. Also, speed accuracy DOES matter if you tape for someone else. You don't know how accurate the speed of their cassette mechanism is - it could be WAY off. Best thing is to record the tape as accurately as possible (speed, azimuth,etc.) - and ANY problems that they have are not related to the tape you made. On the topic of reel torque. I bought some brand new TDK SA tapes (made in Japan according to the label). Second time one was rewound, it came apart at the leader. A second tape developed so much friction internally that it was obvious it had to go. Anyone else had similar problems - or, should I just assume I got a bad batch? Dave From dbrabec at satx.rr.com Thu Mar 27 10:03:54 2003 From: dbrabec at satx.rr.com (David Brabec) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 03:03:54 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Case on Ebay Message-ID: <000101c2f43f$cb500050$2a93a018@scorpionmunchie> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3015529969&category=4 784 It's the case only, and it says it will have to be refinished as it has scratches from storage - but, also says it has never had a deck in it. Just in case you need it! Cheers, Dave From khmerideth at anderson.edu Thu Mar 27 15:57:49 2003 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 09:57:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Speed can Kill Message-ID: Dave, If the shells on those SA's are sonically welded, instead of using the 5-screw method, it's pretty much a generalized problem. Have had different batches of D, SA, and MA with the sonic weld method of holding the shell together and experienced a 5% to possibly 7 or 8% jamming rate. Back in the days of 5-screw assembly, if a tape started dragging internally, you could clear the problem sometimes by smacking the tape down on a flat surface a few times. It was sometimes necessary to do this to both sides. When this did not clear the problem; holding one of the short edges of the shell in each hand and counter-twisting (twisting the left-hand side away from you while twisting the right-hand side toward you, then doing the opposite) the shell a few times will usually result in a "pop" or "snap" sound coming from the shell. You don't want to over-twist on this, as you may get a "crack", which will result in a cracked/broken shell. After the initial "pop", I usually lightly twist the shell a few times to make sure the binding is cleared; then smack the tape a few times on a flat surface to sort of "settle" everything in place. Would suggest starting with minimal forces on either of these methods of clearing internal binding. Sometimes it has been very surprising on how little force was necessary to clear the binding. Most of the time these problems show up right "out of the box", but can develop over a period of usage time. This is not a problem with only TDK (have had it with Maxell, Sony, Fuji, BASF, Denon and bulk loaded cassettes also), but they seem to be a little more prone to this than other manufacturers. With sonically welded shells, the smacking method is about the only hope of clearing the binding. Have been able to gently twist maybe two of these to get a slight "pop" from it, then smacking. Always FF and REW at least once after the clearing procedure. With bulk loaded cassettes, have always "exercised" the tapes (FF & REW), advance the leader until the recording tape is visible in the slots in the bottom of the shell, then place it in the clear plastic storage case. Some tapes require a few seconds lead time past the beginning, as there are some irregularities in the oxide/chrome near the leader splice. Whether this is something to do with the splicing process or an after effect of the splice, I'm not sure. Suspect it has something to do with the splice tape. On some of the commercially recorded tapes (Capitol was the biggest offender, I seem to remember), the splice would sometimes actually stick to the next layer of the feed spool. That would be a problem with the adhesive on the splicing tape; there was no perceptible gap to expose bare splice tape to the adjacent layer of recording tape. Back to your final question: I feel the quality of the more recent TDK tapes is poorer than previous runs. The break point seems to be when they dropped the 5-screw shell assembly method for the sonic weld method. My problem rate use to be in the 1%, 2% maximum, range. Recently it runs around 5%. Have not had the leader separate from the tape, yet. Have gone through about 250-300 of the TDK sonically welded shells (D, SA, MA in 60, 90 & 110 minute lengths) over the past 3 years. That's the main reason I look for the older versions to add to my stock. The quality problem seems to be fairly consistently degraded with the sonically welded shells from TDK, although I have not purchased any in the last 12-14 months. Sounds like things have not improved. Kent Merideth >>> dbrabec at satx.rr.com 03/27/03 04:02AM >>> George, Correct, some of the thinner tapes do stretch - and maybe not a bad idea to lay off the FF and rewind (especially if you have a TON of torque in the reel tables - like, just replaced the idler or something). However, tape stretch IS audible - and will always be in the beginning or end of the tape (largely absorbed by the leader) unless you have an extreme amount of tension across the heads or have take up torque miscalibrated to an extreme. Tape stretches like taffy - a little here, more here - it is NOT linear - so, if it is in the recorded section, it will be noticeable as wow (assuming a lot of stretch). Even if you don't hear the speed difference when listening - it still matters. If I record a tape - and it is recording .5% slow - and then play it back in a deck that is .5% fast (both decks MEET Nakamichi spec!) - well, obviously, that is 1% off - which is audible to most of us, especially if the music is "familiar". If you only have one deck - and all you do is record and playback the SAME tape (never play "factory" tape or ones that others record for you) - then tape speed accuracy makes zero difference - in fact the further it is off on the fast side, the better (for frequency response) - although.your motor and such may not appreciate a LARGE difference. Also, speed accuracy DOES matter if you tape for someone else. You don't know how accurate the speed of their cassette mechanism is - it could be WAY off. Best thing is to record the tape as accurately as possible (speed, azimuth,etc.) - and ANY problems that they have are not related to the tape you made. On the topic of reel torque. I bought some brand new TDK SA tapes (made in Japan according to the label). Second time one was rewound, it came apart at the leader. A second tape developed so much friction internally that it was obvious it had to go. Anyone else had similar problems - or, should I just assume I got a bad batch? Dave ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Mar 28 03:25:16 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 21:25:16 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 capstan motor References: <3A39E19E.7F868DCF@xs4all.nl> <002001c18326$bac8c400$0100007f@localhost> <3A5F3A1E.33100B4F@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3E83B28C.4B3CD269@rcn.com> This may be of interest to owners of Nakamichi decks that utilize the Sankyo transport (CR and BX series, MR-1). Capstan motor of this transport (at least, in the CR-7) is specified to consume 54mA. Increased current consumption may indicate need for service (cleaning and lubrication). As old timers may recall, this was subject of discussion some time ago. Since I just managed to get my hands on a 'new' (to me) MR-1, I thought it would be interesting to check the capstan motor. Speed was 0.2% fast. Current was 87mA. Normally, I would take the thing apart, clean the capstan bushings and lubricate correctly. However, the deck seemed very clean. So, I followed Salim's suggestion and simply applied one drop of light machine oil to each capstan base, just under the oil retaining washer. I then pulled and pushed each capstan, to disperse the oil over the bushing. I followed with thorough cleaning of the capstans, to ensure that no oil could get on the tape. Believe it or not, the current dropped to 50mA. My conclusion is that even simple lubrication is very beneficial. (BTW, speed was still 0.2% fast). Seems to me Sankyo capstan motors will benefit from periodic lubrication of the capstans bushings; probably, about once a year. I will still do a complete disassembly/cleaning every couple of years or so. -- Ron From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Mar 28 17:50:04 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 23:50:04 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] nak phones ? Message-ID: <000701c2f54a$15788480$901a9bca@smarzuki> This one definitely looks like Koss HV1 series ! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3015572860&category=40137 Makes me wonder if SP7 was OEM'd from others (Beyerdynamic perhaps ?). Cheers & have a nice weekend, Salim SM From khmerideth at anderson.edu Fri Mar 28 18:51:58 2003 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 12:51:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] nak phones ? Message-ID: Salim, Those look like the second iteration of the HP100 series. I have the earlier version of the HP100. Kent Merideth >>> smarzuki at indosat.net.id 03/28/03 11:50AM >>> This one definitely looks like Koss HV1 series ! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3015572860&category=40137 Makes me wonder if SP7 was OEM'd from others (Beyerdynamic perhaps ?). 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URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Mar 30 20:15:50 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 01:15:50 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] cr7 short review Message-ID: <001301c2f6e8$6591e160$82199bca@smarzuki> Somehow I missed this one, well sorry if I'm the only late reader: http://www.hi-fiworld.co.uk/hfw/oldeworldehtml/nakamichicr7e.html Best regards, Salim SM From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Mar 30 20:52:26 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 13:52:26 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] cr7 short review References: <001301c2f6e8$6591e160$82199bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3E873CEA.23285B7E@rcn.com> Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Somehow I missed this one, well sorry if I'm the only late reader: > http://www.hi-fiworld.co.uk/hfw/oldeworldehtml/nakamichicr7e.html > > Best regards, > Salim SM Thanks for posting. Makes for interesting reading, even though I found: > Adjustable playback azimuth - a grand name for what > NAD modestly call PLAY TRIM - meant the '7's record/replay > head could be motor-adjusted by up to two-thirds of a > degree to play tapes recorded on lesser decks to their > best potential. Which makes one wonder whether David Price, the author, knows the CR-7 is a 3 head machine -- it doesn't have a 'record/replay head', but separate record and PB heads. BTW, the azimuth motor only adjusts the PB head. -- Ron From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Mar 31 03:23:18 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 08:23:18 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] cr7 short review References: <001301c2f6e8$6591e160$82199bca@smarzuki> <3E873CEA.23285B7E@rcn.com> Message-ID: <001801c2f724$1c7c80c0$47299bca@smarzuki> Ooops, I missed that one too ! =) By the way I thought Yamaha / NAD's play trim deals with electronic side instead with gears that adjust pb head's azimuth. It was discussed moons ago over here ? Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 1:52 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] cr7 short review Thanks for posting. Makes for interesting reading, even though I found: > Adjustable playback azimuth - a grand name for what > NAD modestly call PLAY TRIM - meant the '7's record/replay > head could be motor-adjusted by up to two-thirds of a > degree to play tapes recorded on lesser decks to their > best potential. Which makes one wonder whether David Price, the author, knows the CR-7 is a 3 head machine -- it doesn't have a 'record/replay head', but separate record and PB heads. BTW, the azimuth motor only adjusts the PB head. -- Ron From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Mar 31 04:18:12 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 21:18:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] cr7 short review References: <001301c2f6e8$6591e160$82199bca@smarzuki> <001801c2f724$1c7c80c0$47299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3E87A564.BD76701C@rcn.com> You are right, it seems Play trim is NOT azimuth correction. Just another mistake that Mr. Price made. See: http://www.yamaha.co.jp/english/product/av/guide/technologies/other_tchnologies.html Here's an excerpt: Tapes recorded with Dolby NR on one deck may suffer from loss of sound quality when played on a different deck. Play Trim lets you compensate for the differences to maintain full Dolby quality. You can also use Play Trim during high speed dubbing, for greater convenience. Some tapes recorded with Dolby NR on a different deck are prone to losing high frequency content. Using the Play Trim control, you can adjust for these problems while listening. -- Ron Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Ooops, I missed that one too ! =) > > By the way I thought Yamaha / NAD's play trim deals with electronic side > instead with gears that adjust pb head's azimuth. It was discussed moons > ago over here ? > > Cheers, > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ron > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 1:52 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] cr7 short review > > Thanks for posting. Makes for interesting reading, even > though I found: > > > Adjustable playback azimuth - a grand name for what > > NAD modestly call PLAY TRIM - meant the '7's record/replay > > head could be motor-adjusted by up to two-thirds of a > > degree to play tapes recorded on lesser decks to their > > best potential. > > Which makes one wonder whether David Price, the author, > knows the CR-7 is a 3 head machine -- it doesn't have a > 'record/replay head', but separate record and PB heads. > > BTW, the azimuth motor only adjusts the PB head. > > -- Ron > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Mar 31 05:40:46 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 13:40:46 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Frequency reponce on the 670/680 models Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201F77@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Howdy all, hope everyone is well. I was going through the owners manual of the 670ZX and read that the frequency responce was from 10Hz to 22KHz. Why is this so on this model and not others? Regards Tom Siomopoulos From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Mar 31 05:44:27 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 13:44:27 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Frequency reponce on the 670/680 models Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201F78@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> BTW I meant response not reponce. -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos [mailto:Tom.Siomopoulos at nec.com.au] Sent: Monday, 31 March 2003 1:41 To: Naktalk mail list (E-mail) Subject: [naktalk] Frequency reponce on the 670/680 models Howdy all, hope everyone is well. I was going through the owners manual of the 670ZX and read that the frequency responce was from 10Hz to 22KHz. Why is this so on this model and not others? Regards Tom Siomopoulos ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From dbrabec at satx.rr.com Mon Mar 31 06:10:42 2003 From: dbrabec at satx.rr.com (David Brabec) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 22:10:42 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Deck on Ebay Message-ID: <000001c2f73b$7f93a9b0$2a93a018@scorpionmunchie> For you rich folks http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3016172892&category=4 784 Looks to be in pretty good shape - but deck wasn't on when photographed. Dave From dbrabec at satx.rr.com Mon Mar 31 06:19:59 2003 From: dbrabec at satx.rr.com (David Brabec) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 22:19:59 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Frequency reponce on the 670/680 models Message-ID: <000101c2f73c$d07ce660$2a93a018@scorpionmunchie> Most of the models are only listed as 20 to 20 +- 3db. The ZX-7 is listed as 20 to 21K on metal tape. When they say 20-20 - they are referring to "normal" (or Type 1) tape. Type 2 will typically be a little better, and Type 4 is 1 to 2k higher. My 700II doesn't drop off 3db until it hits a little over 25k on Type 2 tape (it's been.well, kinda "tweaked"). The "worst" deck I have drops 3db at 23K on Type 2. Also, on the low end - most Naks are good to about 10 to 12hz +- 3db (which is amazing). Nakamichi was VERY conservative with the freq response rating. If a person takes the time to "peak" a deck to a tape, they are generally good for at least 22K on Type 2 (Maxell XLII) Dave From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Mar 31 06:20:46 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 14:20:46 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Frequency reponce on the 670/680 models Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201F79@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Thanks Dave for the response. So just about all naks will go down to 10Hz +- 3db, is that right? Tom. -----Original Message----- From: David Brabec [mailto:dbrabec at satx.rr.com] Sent: Monday, 31 March 2003 2:20 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Frequency reponce on the 670/680 models Most of the models are only listed as 20 to 20 +- 3db. The ZX-7 is listed as 20 to 21K on metal tape. When they say 20-20 - they are referring to "normal" (or Type 1) tape. Type 2 will typically be a little better, and Type 4 is 1 to 2k higher. My 700II doesn't drop off 3db until it hits a little over 25k on Type 2 tape (it's been.well, kinda "tweaked"). The "worst" deck I have drops 3db at 23K on Type 2. Also, on the low end - most Naks are good to about 10 to 12hz +- 3db (which is amazing). Nakamichi was VERY conservative with the freq response rating. If a person takes the time to "peak" a deck to a tape, they are generally good for at least 22K on Type 2 (Maxell XLII) Dave ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Mar 31 05:51:38 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 10:51:38 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Frequency reponce on the 670/680 models Message-ID: <96da09792b.9792b96da0@indosat.net.id> Hi Dave, Care to share the 'kinda tweaked' description? =) Bypass caps or circuit change or other ingredients ? Very impressive for original 700 machines. BTW do you use T100 analyser to measure the -3dB point or something else ? Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos Date: Monday, March 31, 2003 11:20 am Subject: RE: [naktalk] Frequency reponce on the 670/680 models > Thanks Dave for the response. So just about all naks will go down > to 10Hz +- > 3db, is that right? > > Tom. > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Brabec [dbrabec at satx.rr.com] > Sent: Monday, 31 March 2003 2:20 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Frequency reponce on the 670/680 models > > > Most of the models are only listed as 20 to 20 +- 3db. The ZX-7 > is listed as 20 to 21K on metal tape. When they say 20-20 - they are > referring to "normal" (or Type 1) tape. Type 2 will typically be a > little better, and Type 4 is 1 to 2k higher. My 700II doesn't drop off > 3db until it hits a little over 25k on Type 2 tape (it's been.well, > kinda "tweaked"). The "worst" deck I have drops 3db at 23K on > Type 2. > Also, on the low end - most Naks are good to about 10 to 12hz +- 3db > (which is amazing). > > Nakamichi was VERY conservative with the freq response rating. > If a person takes the time to "peak" a deck to a tape, they are > generally good for at least 22K on Type 2 (Maxell XLII) > > Dave > From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Mar 31 16:31:15 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 09:31:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Deck on Ebay References: <000001c2f73b$7f93a9b0$2a93a018@scorpionmunchie> Message-ID: <3E885133.A1D0DD49@rcn.com> David Brabec wrote: > > For you rich folks > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3016172892&category=4 > 784 > > Looks to be in pretty good shape - but deck wasn't on when photographed. > > Dave There used to be a time when I lusted after a 1000ZXL... Then, I realized that spending $1000 for a cassette deck didn't make much sense for me. Now, every time I see a 1000ZXL on sale I get wistful for a moment, then move on. -- Ron From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Mar 31 16:49:10 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 09:49:10 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Frequency reponce on the 670/680 models References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201F77@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <3E885566.9E5934E6@rcn.com> Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > > Howdy all, hope everyone is well. > > I was going through the owners manual of the 670ZX and read that the > frequency responce was from 10Hz to 22KHz. Why is this so on this model and > not others? > > Regards > > Tom Siomopoulos I don't recall the range specified for the 670ZX; it's +/- 3db, isn't it? While the 670ZX looks somewhat better than other Naks, it's in line with all Naks. For example the MR-1 and BX-300 are specified at 20Hz - 20KHz. The CR-5/7 are specified at 18Hz - 21KHz (all at +/- 3db). The difference between 21KHz and 22KHz is quite insignificant -- it's only 0.045 of an octave. In addition, these specs cover all tape types. In practice, type IV tape will give you slightly better response. Also, they are specified at -20db level; higher levels will give you worse response. -- Ron From m.pelikan at worldnet.att.net Mon Mar 31 20:36:10 2003 From: m.pelikan at worldnet.att.net (Michael P. Pelikan) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 13:36:10 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 700 & 700-II differences? - Shop manual for either? Message-ID: Hello all - A couple of questions - first: what changed between the Nak 700 and the Nak 700-II? I'm asking because, after being out-bid on a 700 or two (or three, or four) and losing out on the auctions (narrowly or by miles), I've finally landed a 700-II. We'll see what kind of work it needs soon enough - maybe I'll be as fortunate with it as I was with my LX-5... Next question - does anyone recall if there's a shop manual for the 700-II in the archives? (I downloaded the 700-II owner's manual early in my search for one.) And: is the current one-user-at-time archive the same archive as before, or does it contain only recent uploads? Are there any hopes for regaining access to the previous archive? Thanks and best wishes - Michael Pelikan State College, PA From m.pelikan at worldnet.att.net Mon Mar 31 20:42:09 2003 From: m.pelikan at worldnet.att.net (Michael P. Pelikan) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 13:42:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 600 - record level calibration trim pots - and shop manuals? Message-ID: Hello again - I've just received a 600 purchased over ebay - it survived a fairly rough trip: the only visable effect was that the small metal rectangular faceplate of the fast-forward button came off and was rattling around in the bubble-wrap - quickly fixed. Plays like a champ. Records great except for the following: there is a peculiar quirk in the record calibration - that is, I can adjust it very close (like within a 1/2 db) to a correct reading (per the procedure in the manual - I was fortunate to get an original manual with it) and then on the next record/play cycle - boom - the playback on the reference tone pegs on both meters and adjustment avails nothing until, just as suddenly, on the next try it's back, close to where it was, seemingly working normally again (and then I spend a little more time getting it back to within 1/2 db) until - boom - the needles peg on the next playback and we're off to the races again... Could this be a record/playback switch issue? Dirty trim pots (I've exercised them gently before adjustment)? Any other ideas? All of this seems to matter not at all toward the primary reason I bought the deck (that is, besides the fact that it's cool), that being for playback of dolby B recorded tapes on one of my systems. But, if there's a shop manual for the sturdy little beast in the archives, I'll look forward to gaining access to it one day.... Thanks in advance for any suggestions, and best wishes to all - Michael Pelikan State College, PA From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Mar 31 21:25:46 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 14:25:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 700 & 700-II differences? - Shop manual for either? References: Message-ID: <3E88963A.CECCD493@rcn.com> I used to own a 700, many years ago. At the time, the big difference vs. the 700 II quoted in the sales blurb was the better heads, that were supposed to last far longer than the original heads. -- Ron "Michael P. Pelikan" wrote: > > Hello all - > > A couple of questions - first: what changed between the Nak 700 and the Nak > 700-II? > > I'm asking because, after being out-bid on a 700 or two (or three, or four) > and losing out on the auctions (narrowly or by miles), I've finally landed a > 700-II. We'll see what kind of work it needs soon enough - maybe I'll be as > fortunate with it as I was with my LX-5... > > Next question - does anyone recall if there's a shop manual for the 700-II > in the archives? (I downloaded the 700-II owner's manual early in my search > for one.) > > And: is the current one-user-at-time archive the same archive as before, or > does it contain only recent uploads? Are there any hopes for regaining > access to the previous archive? > > Thanks and best wishes - > > Michael Pelikan > State College, PA > From stan.targowski at attbi.com Mon Mar 31 21:46:47 2003 From: stan.targowski at attbi.com (Stan Targowski) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 13:46:47 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Frequency reponce of Nak decks ... In-Reply-To: <3E885566.9E5934E6@rcn.com> Message-ID: The response on 1000ZXL is specified to be 18-25,000 +/- 3db or 20-20,000 +/- 0.75db. If I remember right 700ZXx series had upper range of 24 Khz. Other [Nak] three head decks are typically +/-3dB 20-20 (BX300, CR3, CR5), 20-21 (CR4), 18-21 (CR7), 20-22 (Dragon). Like others in this thread, I feel that any well calibrated and maintaned 3 head Nak should be able to go down to < 15Hz and > 22 Khz within +/-3db. For most people who record off the CD's, the actual upper limit is 20Khz. So more important than the +/-3dB response for the high-end is the tolerance at which the deck does 20-20,000Khz (i.e, most CD players do this within < +/- 0.3dB). So for 1000ZXL it is +/- 0.75, for CR-7 it is +/- 2dB, etc - but again this is rated, well performing deck should do better. Stan -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Mon, March 31, 2003 8:49 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Frequency reponce on the 670/680 models Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > > Howdy all, hope everyone is well. > > I was going through the owners manual of the 670ZX and read that the > frequency responce was from 10Hz to 22KHz. Why is this so on this model and > not others? > > Regards > > Tom Siomopoulos I don't recall the range specified for the 670ZX; it's +/- 3db, isn't it? While the 670ZX looks somewhat better than other Naks, it's in line with all Naks. For example the MR-1 and BX-300 are specified at 20Hz - 20KHz. The CR-5/7 are specified at 18Hz - 21KHz (all at +/- 3db). The difference between 21KHz and 22KHz is quite insignificant -- it's only 0.045 of an octave. In addition, these specs cover all tape types. In practice, type IV tape will give you slightly better response. Also, they are specified at -20db level; higher levels will give you worse response. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2003\2003-4.txt ************************************************************************ From Scott.McMillan at team.telstra.com Tue Apr 1 04:09:55 2003 From: Scott.McMillan at team.telstra.com (McMillan, Scott F) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 12:09:55 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Power requirements Message-ID: <3B5823541A25D311B3B90008C7F905640936A19D@ntmsg0092.corpmail.telstra.com.au> I have just been given an MR-2 deck which has never been used before. The only catch is that it has been rack mounted at a telephone exchange & requires 48 Volts of DC. I have found several DC power supplies which offer the required 48 volts I just need to know what are the current requirements of this deck. Thanks Scott McMillan From jensarndt at tiscali.de Tue Apr 1 11:07:23 2003 From: jensarndt at tiscali.de (jensarndt at tiscali.de) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 11:07:23 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] update: naks 2nd hand prices on ebay feb and march 2003 Message-ID: <3E886EC50000082E@eagle.intern.zoo.tiscali.de> Hi there, I have updated the statistics, more than 300 items being sold on ebay (mainly u.s. and germany) claimed to be in good (or better) condition have now been considered, all figures in usd excluding ebay fees, p&p, vat I have uploaded the whole file (excel-format) to wouter's upload section. perhaps he can make this file available in the download section in case somebody might be interested. jens Deck # of Items Average Low High 1000 II TriTracer 2 522 320 725 1000 TriTracer 3 291 226 372 1000TD 2 499 399 599 1000ZXL 2 852 740 964 480 3 69 39 87 480Z 1 96 96 96 481 2 86 61 111 481Z 1 72 72 72 482 1 200 200 200 482Z 1 73 73 73 500 Dual Tracer 2 60 50 70 550 5 439 158 887 580M 1 108 108 108 581 1 70 70 70 582 2 152 109 196 600 3 102 36 207 600 II 1 293 293 293 660ZX 1 345 345 345 670ZX 2 194 168 220 680 1 183 183 183 680ZX 5 320 216 397 682ZX 1 280 280 280 700 II 2 234 153 315 700TriTracer 2 121 118 125 700ZXL 1 458 458 458 BX1 3 47 26 65 BX100E 13 53 27 111 BX125E 19 69 43 160 BX150E 6 61 33 88 BX2 7 63 31 138 BX300E 19 123 71 183 Cassette Deck 1 1 350 350 350 Cassette Deck 1.5 1 110 110 110 Cassette Deck 2 9 113 51 264 CM100 Micro 2 111 99 123 CR1E 9 65 45 117 CR2E 13 84 40 164 CR3A 2 109 100 118 CR4E 9 171 89 269 CR5A 3 186 153 204 CR7E 9 606 434 811 DE1 1 178 178 178 DM10 7 49 29 86 DR1 1 295 295 295 DR2 1 123 123 123 DR3 3 126 83 159 DR8 2 294 268 320 Dragon 25 685 416 973 Highcom II 15 143 68 276 LX3 2 158 99 217 LX5 12 190 104 281 MR1 3 143 115 195 MR2 2 85 71 98 MX100 1 22 22 22 NR100 1 153 153 153 NR200 3 154 119 178 RC3 1 10 10 10 RM100 1 25 25 25 RM 200 2 163 124 203 RM-?? (TriTracer) 2 34 26 43 RM15 1 83 83 83 RM5 1 19 19 19 RM-7CA 1 50 50 50 RX202E 16 187 76 409 RX303 3 289 264 326 RX505E 15 467 295 698 SP7 1 65 65 65 T100 1 242 242 242 TD1200LTD 1 399 399 399 TD1200MKII 1 199 199 199 TD1200SE 1 299 299 299 TD500 1 91 91 91 TD700 1 203 203 203 ZX7 7 370 276 492 ZX9 5 576 247 841 __________________________________________________________________ Tiscali Mobile NEU! Die neuesten Klingeltöne, Logos, Mailboxsprüche, Bildmitteilungen und Screensaver für alle Handytypen. Einfach und günstig! Klicken Sie hier: http://www.tiscali.de/mobile/ From timbarrett at cox.net Tue Apr 1 16:02:59 2003 From: timbarrett at cox.net (timbarrett at cox.net) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 09:02:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] MFSL Message-ID: <3E8955C3.23369.27B8D07D@localhost> http://www.aurealm.com/violet.htm Gentlemen- I stumbled across this on the net, it's an interesting 'interview' with Greg Schnitzer, an early inflential with Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab, well-known for their Half Speed Master series on vinyl. He reveals some interesting information from their research into cassettes and machines, too. Tim From nelson3.freeserve.co.uk at pop.pol.net.uk Tue Apr 1 13:55:49 2003 From: nelson3.freeserve.co.uk at pop.pol.net.uk (nelson3.freeserve.co.uk@pop3.freeserve.com) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 06:55:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] update: naks 2nd hand prices on ebay feb and march 2003 Message-ID: <244640-22003421115549661@M2W050.mail2web.com> Great job, Jens! Graham Original Message: ----------------- From: jensarndt at tiscali.de Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 11:07:23 +0200 To: naktalk at naks.com, croquetgod at yahoo.com Subject: [naktalk] update: naks 2nd hand prices on ebay feb and march 2003 Hi there, I have updated the statistics, more than 300 items being sold on ebay (mainly u.s. and germany) claimed to be in good (or better) condition have now been considered, all figures in usd excluding ebay fees, p&p, vat I have uploaded the whole file (excel-format) to wouter's upload section. perhaps he can make this file available in the download section in case somebody might be interested. jens Deck # of Items Average Low High 1000 II TriTracer 2 522 320 725 1000 TriTracer 3 291 226 372 1000TD 2 499 399 599 1000ZXL 2 852 740 964 480 3 69 39 87 480Z 1 96 96 96 481 2 86 61 111 481Z 1 72 72 72 482 1 200 200 200 482Z 1 73 73 73 500 Dual Tracer 2 60 50 70 550 5 439 158 887 580M 1 108 108 108 581 1 70 70 70 582 2 152 109 196 600 3 102 36 207 600 II 1 293 293 293 660ZX 1 345 345 345 670ZX 2 194 168 220 680 1 183 183 183 680ZX 5 320 216 397 682ZX 1 280 280 280 700 II 2 234 153 315 700TriTracer 2 121 118 125 700ZXL 1 458 458 458 BX1 3 47 26 65 BX100E 13 53 27 111 BX125E 19 69 43 160 BX150E 6 61 33 88 BX2 7 63 31 138 BX300E 19 123 71 183 Cassette Deck 1 1 350 350 350 Cassette Deck 1.5 1 110 110 110 Cassette Deck 2 9 113 51 264 CM100 Micro 2 111 99 123 CR1E 9 65 45 117 CR2E 13 84 40 164 CR3A 2 109 100 118 CR4E 9 171 89 269 CR5A 3 186 153 204 CR7E 9 606 434 811 DE1 1 178 178 178 DM10 7 49 29 86 DR1 1 295 295 295 DR2 1 123 123 123 DR3 3 126 83 159 DR8 2 294 268 320 Dragon 25 685 416 973 Highcom II 15 143 68 276 LX3 2 158 99 217 LX5 12 190 104 281 MR1 3 143 115 195 MR2 2 85 71 98 MX100 1 22 22 22 NR100 1 153 153 153 NR200 3 154 119 178 RC3 1 10 10 10 RM100 1 25 25 25 RM 200 2 163 124 203 RM-?? (TriTracer) 2 34 26 43 RM15 1 83 83 83 RM5 1 19 19 19 RM-7CA 1 50 50 50 RX202E 16 187 76 409 RX303 3 289 264 326 RX505E 15 467 295 698 SP7 1 65 65 65 T100 1 242 242 242 TD1200LTD 1 399 399 399 TD1200MKII 1 199 199 199 TD1200SE 1 299 299 299 TD500 1 91 91 91 TD700 1 203 203 203 ZX7 7 370 276 492 ZX9 5 576 247 841 __________________________________________________________________ Tiscali Mobile NEU! Die neuesten Klingeltöne, Logos, Mailboxsprüche, Bildmitteilungen und Screensaver für alle Handytypen. Einfach und günstig! Klicken Sie hier: http://www.tiscali.de/mobile/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Apr 3 03:58:16 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 11:58:16 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] TDK MA-XG tapes on e-bay Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201F83@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Well it has to be seen to believe but there is someone in the UK who is selling a truck load of TDK gen III MA-XG tapes. Have a look at this.... http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3016474977&category=47 84 Have a look at his other auctions, he has the same item but in packs of 150 for 630 pounds!!! Tom Siomopoulos From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Thu Apr 3 08:01:17 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 08:01:17 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] TDK MA-XG tapes on e-bay Message-ID: Hi Tom, I suspect that this chap has purchased every possible MA-XG at Pricebuster for 1.95 UKP and is now flogging them off. I don't know for sure of course, he might have had them for yonks in the pantry or snapped them up from a studio going belly-up, but somehow the sudden deluge of this rare commodity flooding the market at the very same time as reputable retailers are selling at clearout prices makes me prick up my ears. They are magnificent metals but since I have a couple unused, I'd rather make him stew a bit till the market (that's us) forces him down in price. Cheers, Marc >>> Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au 04/03/03 03:58AM >>> Well it has to be seen to believe but there is someone in the UK who is selling a truck load of TDK gen III MA-XG tapes. Have a look at this.... http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3016474977&category=47 84 Have a look at his other auctions, he has the same item but in packs of 150 for 630 pounds!!! Tom Siomopoulos ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Apr 3 16:24:25 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 09:24:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] TDK MA-XG tapes on e-bay References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201F83@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <3E8C4419.A0F71B33@rcn.com> Yea, I saw this yesterday and felt it was a tad on the steep side... I am assuming the metal these tapes are made of is not gold. -- Ron Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > > Well it has to be seen to believe but there is someone in the UK who is > selling a truck load of TDK gen III MA-XG tapes. Have a look at this.... > > > http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3016474977&category=47 > 84 > > Have a look at his other auctions, he has the same item but in packs > of 150 for 630 pounds!!! > > > Tom Siomopoulos > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Wed Apr 9 09:14:28 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (wheijke at xs4all.nl) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 09:14:28 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] quiet on naktalk Message-ID: <5919.62.72.208.36.1049872468.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Hi Everyone, I hope the recent quiet peroid on naktalk has nothing to do with the large amount of email that is being rejected by the mailserver. There is a lot of spam email out there and it is automatically blocked by the naks.com mail server, this can result in mail from 'good' domains to be blocked also if the provider is being abused to send spam email... Have a nice day, Wouter From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Wed Apr 9 09:42:46 2003 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 07:42:46 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] quiet on naktalk Message-ID: Well, I was wondering why it's so quiet on Naktalk too, let's see if this gets through. On a OT subject, can anyone help me get 2 male 13 pin DIN plug/connectors at all? I can't seem to find any locally and I desperately need some! Kelvin. >From: wheijke at xs4all.nl >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] quiet on naktalk >Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 09:14:28 +0200 (CEST) > >Hi Everyone, > >I hope the recent quiet peroid on naktalk has nothing to do with the large >amount of email that is being rejected by the mailserver. >There is a lot of spam email out there and it is automatically blocked by >the naks.com mail server, this can result in mail from 'good' domains to >be blocked also if the provider is being abused to send spam email... > >Have a nice day, > >Wouter >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Wed Apr 9 10:06:38 2003 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 10:06:38 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Trying to pass through Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030409100603.00ac1570@box.tin.it> Lets try again Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site http://www.lucenti.com My pages about digital photography From croquetgod at yahoo.com Wed Apr 9 10:09:32 2003 From: croquetgod at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jens-M.=20Arndt?=) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 10:09:32 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] quiet on naktalk In-Reply-To: <5919.62.72.208.36.1049872468.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <20030409080932.74220.qmail@web13507.mail.yahoo.com> hello wouter, due to f****** spam all naktalk messages I have sent from my yahoo.com mail-account have been rejected for about a week or so... At least my tiscali account seems to work. jens p.s.: have you seen the my updated ebay statistic? --- wheijke at xs4all.nl schrieb: > Hi Everyone, > > I hope the recent quiet peroid on naktalk has > nothing to do with the large > amount of email that is being rejected by the > mailserver. > There is a lot of spam email out there and it is > automatically blocked by > the naks.com mail server, this can result in mail > from 'good' domains to > be blocked also if the provider is being abused to > send spam email... > > Have a nice day, > > Wouter > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei http://premiummail.yahoo.de From jensarndt at tiscali.de Wed Apr 9 09:59:51 2003 From: jensarndt at tiscali.de (jensarndt at tiscali.de) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 09:59:51 +0200 Subject: AW: [naktalk] quiet on naktalk In-Reply-To: <5919.62.72.208.36.1049872468.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <3E8D41BB000024DE@crow.intern.zoo.tiscali.de> hello wouter, due to f****** spam all naktalk messages I have sent from my yahoo.com mail-account have been rejected for about a week or so... At least my tiscali account seems to work. jens p.s.: have you seen the my updated ebay statistic? >-- Ursprüngliche Nachricht -- >Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 09:14:28 +0200 (CEST) >From: wheijke at xs4all.nl >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] quiet on naktalk >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >Hi Everyone, > >I hope the recent quiet peroid on naktalk has nothing to do with the large >amount of email that is being rejected by the mailserver. >There is a lot of spam email out there and it is automatically blocked by >the naks.com mail server, this can result in mail from 'good' domains to >be blocked also if the provider is being abused to send spam email... > >Have a nice day, > >Wouter >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________________________ Tiscali Mobile NEU! Die neuesten Klingeltöne, Logos, Mailboxsprüche, Bildmitteilungen und Screensaver für alle Handytypen. Einfach und günstig! Klicken Sie hier: http://www.tiscali.de/mobile/ From wheijke at xs4all.nl Wed Apr 9 10:19:33 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (wheijke at xs4all.nl) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 10:19:33 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] quiet on naktalk In-Reply-To: <20030409080932.74220.qmail@web13507.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5919.62.72.208.36.1049872468.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <20030409080932.74220.qmail@web13507.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <16454.62.72.208.36.1049876373.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Hi Jens, Yes, it is really crazy to see the amounts of spam mail arriving at the server, so i released the spam rejection a bit. If anyone has a problem please contact me private: wheijke at xs4all.nl Yes i've seen your updated list. I will make it available for download and will update the price page also, haven't had the time, maybe today! Wouter > hello wouter, > > due to f****** spam all naktalk messages I have sent > from my yahoo.com mail-account have been rejected for > about a week or so... > > At least my tiscali account seems to work. > > jens > > > p.s.: have you seen the my updated ebay statistic? > > > --- wheijke at xs4all.nl schrieb: > Hi Everyone, >> >> I hope the recent quiet peroid on naktalk has >> nothing to do with the large >> amount of email that is being rejected by the >> mailserver. >> There is a lot of spam email out there and it is >> automatically blocked by >> the naks.com mail server, this can result in mail >> from 'good' domains to >> be blocked also if the provider is being abused to >> send spam email... >> >> Have a nice day, >> >> Wouter >> > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com >> mailinglist >> To maintain your account please go here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ===== > 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, > man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat > in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' > (Harry Rowohlt) > > __________________________________________________________________ > > Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de > Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei http://premiummail.yahoo.de > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Apr 9 15:11:41 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 09:11:41 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] quiet on naktalk -spam References: <5919.62.72.208.36.1049872468.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <3E941C0D.EEFB702D@rcn.com> Spam has been a huge problem for me, as well. It is common for me to find in the morning 100 messages on my Yahoo account, out of which maybe two or three are genuine email. We will continue to live with this scourge as long as there are idiots that actually open (not to mention, respond) to spam. I find that it's very difficult to get rid of spam. The Yahoo filter is a joke -- far too limited. On my RCN account, I manage to get rid of 90%, by rejecting all email that is not addressed to me, personally (of course, I first filter all *expected* such mail; for example, from Naks.com). I also filter all email that has '$$$' or 'penis' or 'teenagers' in the subject line... -- Ron wheijke at xs4all.nl wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > I hope the recent quiet peroid on naktalk has nothing to do with the large > amount of email that is being rejected by the mailserver. > There is a lot of spam email out there and it is automatically blocked by > the naks.com mail server, this can result in mail from 'good' domains to > be blocked also if the provider is being abused to send spam email... > > Have a nice day, > > Wouter > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Jo2jo64 at aol.com Fri Apr 11 06:20:58 2003 From: Jo2jo64 at aol.com (Jo2jo64 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 00:20:58 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Re: MR-1 Message-ID: <158.1e13bb99.2bc79caa@aol.com> This is my first letter and I hope it reaches the board for I need some help. Just bought an MR-1. I have not recorded with it yet. Everything works well including playback with the earphones but throught the system, it makes an intermittent static-like sound similar to what a worn-out LP will do, otherwise it sounds good. Any idea as to what's bothering the poor thing? Jose Cigno -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Sven.Schultz at t-online.de Fri Apr 11 07:11:31 2003 From: Sven.Schultz at t-online.de (Sven Schultz) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 07:11:31 +0200 Subject: AW: [naktalk] Re: MR-1 In-Reply-To: <158.1e13bb99.2bc79caa@aol.com> Message-ID: <000501c2ffe8$d1506e40$0100000a@amd1333> Hi Jose - It’s quiet the same thing I’ve heard at my LX5 – There seemed to be some capacitors which are broken – In the LX5 the’re within the recording line, Sometime it’s helpful to hit / push them with a pencil or screwdriver while listening / or recording, so they change their capacity and yopu will hear a change in “playback”. Those should be replaced. Is anyone with the same problems on the naktalk board ? Best regadrs Sven mailto: sven.schultz at t-online.de -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Im Auftrag von Jo2jo64 at aol.com Gesendet: Freitag, 11. April 2003 06:21 An: naktalk at naks.com Betreff: [naktalk] Re: MR-1 This is my first letter and I hope it reaches the board for I need some help. Just bought an MR-1. I have not recorded with it yet. Everything works well including playback with the earphones but throught the system, it makes an intermittent static-like sound similar to what a worn-out LP will do, otherwise it sounds good. Any idea as to what's bothering the poor thing? Jose Cigno -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri Apr 11 09:20:16 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (wheijke at xs4all.nl) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 09:20:16 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] Price page updated Message-ID: <9980.62.72.208.36.1050045616.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Hi All, I've updated the price info in the database with the new information send to me by Jens, thanks Jens! It seems prices continue to go down... is both a good and a bad thing ;-) Wouter From apt_one at yahoo.com Fri Apr 11 15:42:20 2003 From: apt_one at yahoo.com (apt_one) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 06:42:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Hi Need Cassette Holder cover for CR5A or Cr7A Message-ID: <20030411134220.97228.qmail@web41211.mail.yahoo.com> Does anyone have a cassette holder cover for the Nakamichi CR7A or CR5A cassette deck in excellent condition? Is so, please contact me. Thanks, Paul __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From christos at ISI.EDU Fri Apr 11 16:34:26 2003 From: christos at ISI.EDU (Christos Papadopoulos) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 07:34:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] How to verify operation of a DM10? Message-ID: <200304111434.h3BEYQk20262@boreas.isi.edu> Hi folks, I am new to this list. I recently bought a DM-10 demagnetizer. Plugging it and turning it on produces no indication that the unit works. How do I verify operation? Thanks, Christos. From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Apr 11 18:19:42 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 12:19:42 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] How to verify operation of a DM10? References: <200304111434.h3BEYQk20262@boreas.isi.edu> Message-ID: <3E96EB1E.7A9A8105@rcn.com> Christos Papadopoulos wrote: > > Hi folks, > > I am new to this list. > > I recently bought a DM-10 demagnetizer. Plugging it and turning > it on produces no indication that the unit works. How do I verify > operation? > > Thanks, > > Christos. Easy. Just bring it close to a ferric object. If it's working, the object will vibrate, often producing a buzzing sound. You may use a cassette; bring it close to the tape hub (and don't forget to move it away very slowly -- you don't want to leave the tape magnetized). -- Ron From adamyh at netvigator.com Sat Apr 12 10:29:37 2003 From: adamyh at netvigator.com (Adam Yousuf) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 16:29:37 +0800 Subject: [naktalk] Debate: Manual vs Auto Calibration for Recording In-Reply-To: <200304111434.h3BEYQk20262@boreas.isi.edu> Message-ID: Hi guys, I own a Dragon and love it to death. It records wonderfully and of course the playback is great too. I have been exposed to my uncles 700 ZXL and seen it auto calibrate and make wonderful recordings and have not seen a CR-7 in action. So the question is, which one creates the best recording? Auto or Manual? Thanks Adam From wdrewes at iafrica.com Sat Apr 12 13:39:45 2003 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wdrewes) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 13:39:45 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Hi Need Cassette Holder cover for CR5A or Cr7A Message-ID: <002f01c300e8$3f6b11a0$57211ec4@private> Hi ! I am looking for 2.If you find surplus pse let me know !!Walter -----Original Message----- From: apt_one To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Friday, April 11, 2003 3:55 PM Subject: [naktalk] Hi Need Cassette Holder cover for CR5A or Cr7A >Does anyone have a cassette holder cover for the >Nakamichi CR7A or CR5A cassette deck in excellent >condition? Is so, please contact me. >Thanks, >Paul > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more >http://tax.yahoo.com >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Apr 12 16:03:10 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 10:03:10 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Debate: Manual vs Auto Calibration for Recording References: Message-ID: <3E981C9E.E58AD785@rcn.com> Adam Yousuf wrote: > > Hi guys, > > I own a Dragon and love it to death. It records wonderfully and of > course the playback is great too. > > I have been exposed to my uncles 700 ZXL and seen it auto calibrate and > make wonderful recordings and have not seen a CR-7 in action. > > So the question is, which one creates the best recording? Auto or > Manual? > > Thanks > Adam > I think that, in theory, manual calibration is better. However, in real world terms, auto calibration provides the same result, assuming it is working correctly. The advantage of the auto calibration is its speed and ease of use. If you don't care about these, you are better off with manual calibration -- lower cost and far fewer things to go wrong. BTW, I use a CR-7 and can tell you that it does its stuff quickly and smoothly. -- Ron From Sven.Schultz at t-online.de Sat Apr 12 22:32:38 2003 From: Sven.Schultz at t-online.de (Sven Schultz) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 22:32:38 +0200 Subject: AW: [naktalk] Debate: Manual vs Auto Calibration for Recording In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001301c30132$a98c6990$0100000a@amd1333> Hi Adam - I have Dragon, too. Last autumn I owned a perfect conditioned CR7, and have spent a lot of time to compare them. The Chain is NAK ST7 CR7 CA7 PA7 OMS5EII Rega Planar Turntable with Ortofon MC30 and MC20HE Pickup and some Focal/Visaton self designed High end Speakers. With all Tapes (USX, MA TDK, BASF CR2Super, TDK Sax there are no general preferences for those two decks - it seemed that the Playback of CR7E is slightly clearer and the bass is a little bit more powerful. The automatic calibration is ok, when you'll calibrate in the middle of the Tape, not at the beginning or end of it. At least, I've no favourite, they're big Nak's each - I'll look forward to get an DR10 and a 700ZXL or a ZX9 end of this year, to compare some of the others. Best regards from Frankfurt - Sven -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Im Auftrag von Adam Yousuf Gesendet: Samstag, 12. April 2003 10:30 An: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Betreff: [naktalk] Debate: Manual vs Auto Calibration for Recording Hi guys, I own a Dragon and love it to death. It records wonderfully and of course the playback is great too. I have been exposed to my uncles 700 ZXL and seen it auto calibrate and make wonderful recordings and have not seen a CR-7 in action. So the question is, which one creates the best recording? Auto or Manual? Thanks Adam ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= From SAD124 at comcast.net Sun Apr 13 16:49:22 2003 From: SAD124 at comcast.net (Scott Duncan) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 10:49:22 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak CR-7 Message-ID: <000801c301cb$df0484b0$9e2c2b44@VALUED20606295> Does anyone know a good place to take this unit (preferably Michigan) to get the heads aligned? Thanks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Apr 13 18:40:14 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 12:40:14 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak CR-7 References: <000801c301cb$df0484b0$9e2c2b44@VALUED20606295> Message-ID: <3E9992EE.8208376C@rcn.com> > Scott Duncan wrote: > > Does anyone know a good place to take this unit (preferably Michigan) to get > the heads aligned? Thanks That's easy. Ship it to stephen Sank in NM (505-332-0336). Far from Michigan, but certainly worth the trouble. He did my CR-7 to perfection; reasonable, too. Second choice would be Jeff Galin in CT (eslabs at snet.net). Slightly closer, but not by much. I have no personal experience but Jeff is said to do excellent work. More expensive, though. -- Ron From ti at amb.org Sun Apr 13 21:06:07 2003 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 12:06:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak CR-7 In-Reply-To: <3E9992EE.8208376C@rcn.com> from "Ron" at Apr 13, 2003 12:40:14 PM Message-ID: <200304131906.TAA28946@amb.org> Ron writes: > > Scott Duncan wrote: > > Does anyone know a good place to take this unit (preferably Michigan) to get > > the heads aligned? Thanks > > That's easy. Ship it to stephen Sank in NM (505-332-0336). > Far from Michigan, but certainly worth the trouble. He did > my CR-7 to perfection; reasonable, too. > > Second choice would be Jeff Galin in CT (eslabs at snet.net). > Slightly closer, but not by much. I have no personal experience > but Jeff is said to do excellent work. More expensive, though. Do these recommendations apply to other Nakamichi models as well? I just bought a pre-owned Dragon which is being shipped to me. I would like to know where is the nearest reputable service outlet should the deck need any adjustment, etc. I am located in California (Silicon Valley area). -Ti -- /// Ti Kan Vorsprung durch Technik /// AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA /// ti at amb.org ////// http://www.amb.org/ti/ /// From gwmunger at bestweb.net Sun Apr 13 23:20:58 2003 From: gwmunger at bestweb.net (geochapp20) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 16:20:58 EST Subject: [naktalk] Head, Capstan & Guide Cleaning Message-ID: <3e99c6aa.17c97.0@bestweb.net> Hello all. I believe proper tape path maintenance is very important for proper Nak upkeep. I always try to keep the tape path surfaces free from residue, after each use (and also demagnetize almost as often). This will help keep the Nak running better and also help preserve the recorded sound of the cassettes themselves. What I would like to know, is just what Nak'ers are using to clean the head, capstan, guide and pinch roller. A knowledgeable friend said high-grade denatured alcohol is best for the head, capstan & guide path but the Nak rubber pinch roller can age prematurely from just alcohol, but he did not know what the best pinch-roller cleaners are. Anyone care to comment? Thanks, George Munger From mikeypas at hotmail.com Mon Apr 14 04:00:34 2003 From: mikeypas at hotmail.com (Mike Pasoff) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 02:00:34 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 2 Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From roleo at telus.net Mon Apr 14 04:43:58 2003 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 19:43:58 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 2 References: Message-ID: <001b01c3022f$b2dca930$8075059a@desktop> Bad news, Mike. The Nakamichi Cassette Deck 2 as well as other Nakamichi decks that use the "System Remote" feature, will only work with Nakamichi Receivers (and maybe Nak pre-amps). Cassette Deck 2 never had it's own remote. The idea was, they wanted you to buy the whole Nakamichi package. The only other option is getting a long stick that reaches from your "sweet spot" listening location to your cassette decks control panel. --Roland ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Pasoff To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2003 7:00 PM Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 2 Hey all, Got a question about the Cassette Deck 2. I've always had it connected to a Nakamichi AV3 receiver and controlled it via that remote (connecting the remote in of cassette deck to remote out of nak receiver via miniplug) I now have a Denon AVR1803 receiver and have been trying to control the Cassette Deck 2 via remote. I tried connected the remote in of cassette deck to remote out of denon receiver with no success, even tried remote in of denon receiver). What I'm trying to do is find a way, any way to get this to work via remote. I have a Sony AV3000 universal remote commander that has preset Nak Cassette deck code, but it doesn't work. P.S. I don't know if this helps but I also have Nak CD4 player which has remote in on the back. If anyone has any suggestions or has gotten the CAssette deck 2 to work with any other receiver, please let me know. (I don't have original remote for cassette deck, not sure if it came one. always used av3 remote) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Protect your PC - Click here for McAfee.com VirusScan Online ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Apr 14 05:12:06 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 23:12:06 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak CR-7 References: <200304131906.TAA28946@amb.org> Message-ID: <3E9A2706.9D63996@rcn.com> Ti Kan wrote: > > Ron writes: > > > Scott Duncan wrote: > > > Does anyone know a good place to take this unit (preferably Michigan) to get > > > the heads aligned? Thanks > > > > That's easy. Ship it to stephen Sank in NM (505-332-0336). > > Far from Michigan, but certainly worth the trouble. He did > > my CR-7 to perfection; reasonable, too. > > > > Second choice would be Jeff Galin in CT (eslabs at snet.net). > > Slightly closer, but not by much. I have no personal experience > > but Jeff is said to do excellent work. More expensive, though. > > Do these recommendations apply to other Nakamichi models as well? By all means. Stephen is a top notch tech, with expertise (and the necessary special tools) for all Naks, including cassette decks, CD players , the works... He also specializes in ReVox gear and several other high end products. Ask him. He fixed for me a Toshiba prosper VCR that two Toshiba service centers said couldn't be fixed and actually made it worse. -- Ron > I just bought a pre-owned Dragon which is being shipped to me. > I would like to know where is the nearest reputable service outlet > should the deck need any adjustment, etc. I am located in California > (Silicon Valley area). > > -Ti > -- > /// Ti Kan Vorsprung durch Technik > /// AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA > /// ti at amb.org > ////// http://www.amb.org/ti/ > /// > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Apr 14 05:26:29 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 23:26:29 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Head, Capstan & Guide Cleaning References: <3e99c6aa.17c97.0@bestweb.net> Message-ID: <3E9A2A65.8EC9A620@rcn.com> geochapp20 wrote: > > Hello all. I believe proper tape path maintenance is very important for proper > Nak upkeep. I always try to keep the tape path surfaces free from residue, after > each use (and also demagnetize almost as often). This will help keep the Nak > running better and also help preserve the recorded sound of the cassettes themselves. > What I would like to know, is just what Nak'ers are using to clean the head, > capstan, guide and pinch roller. A knowledgeable friend said high-grade denatured > alcohol is best for the head, capstan & guide path but the Nak rubber pinch > roller can age prematurely from just alcohol, but he did not know what the best > pinch-roller cleaners are. Anyone care to comment? > Thanks, George Munger Cleaning as often as you do, alcohol may indeed dry out the rubber eventually. I clean the tape path about once every 20 to 40 hours of use. For years I used a professional computer tape cleaner. When I ran out, I couldn't buy any more of the stuff, because by that time it was illegal in Mass (or maybe even the country, I am not sure). I now use the same head cleaner that I use for the heads, that is indeed, iso propyl alcohol based. MEK has also been recommended here. To clean, I use the long swabs that have cotton wool on one end, similar to Q-tips. I am very careful not to allow lint or strands from the swabs to remain in the transport. If stubborn tape residue clings on the head, I use the hard felt tip from the original Nakamichi cleaning tool. moistened with the cleaning fluid. This is seldom necessary, though. For years I maintained not only my own cassette decks, but also r-t-r decks and computer tape drives. Never saw a problem due to my cleaning materials or technique. -- Ron From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Apr 14 05:32:46 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 23:32:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 2 References: Message-ID: <3E9A2BDE.5C7DE9EA@rcn.com> Mike Pasoff wrote: > > Hey all, > > Got a question about the Cassette Deck 2. > I've always had it connected to a Nakamichi AV3 receiver and controlled it > via that remote (connecting the remote in of cassette deck to remote out of > nak receiver via miniplug) > > I now have a Denon AVR1803 receiver and have been trying to control the > Cassette Deck 2 via remote. I tried connected the remote in of cassette deck > to remote out of denon receiver with no success, even tried remote in of > denon receiver). > > What I'm trying to do is find a way, any way to get this to work via remote. > I have a Sony AV3000 universal remote commander that has preset Nak Cassette > deck code, but it doesn't work. > > P.S. I don't know if this helps but I also have Nak CD4 player which has > remote in on the back. > > If anyone has any suggestions or has gotten the CAssette deck 2 to work with > any other receiver, please let me know. (I don't have original remote for > cassette deck, not sure if it came one. always used av3 remote) > I am not familiar with the Cassette deck 2. If it has the older 8 pin DIN remote control connector, it can be made to work with the addition of an external remote receiver. If (or when) we again have access to the NakTalk manual site and if there is a Cassette Deck 2 schematic there, I'll be happy to look it up and provide a more definitive answer. -- Ron From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Apr 14 05:40:06 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 23:40:06 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Available: parts for BX-300 / MR-1 Message-ID: <3E9A2D96.3A0EAE0C@rcn.com> I am taking an MR-1 apart, for parts. The deck is not repairable, because too many parts are already missing. I will soon have a large assortment of parts for the BX-300 and/or MR-1. This includes mechanical, cosmetic and electrical parts. Nothing is new or mint (who would take a mint deck apart?), but all parts are quite serviceable. If you need any part for these decks, do contact me, off list. -- Ron From blueswapper at angelfire.com Mon Apr 14 05:52:30 2003 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 20:52:30 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] NakTalk Check-in (Marathon Tape)...... Message-ID: Greetings dear NakTalkers..... Just a Bleus check-in, to see whether my email passes thru the spam filtering gateway at Naks.Com, and to update my Marathon Tape friends about what is happening with the mastering of our cooperative efforts. I've been in contact with Carlos Guzman (el Magnifico, our Cassette Tape Man), and he's reported alive, well and thriving in California. Carlos mentioned that he will return home to Puerto Rico during April/May, to hopefully finish the Marathon Tape project masters. After that, he will send the master discs to me (Bleus) for duplication and distribution to all participants. Forgotten who was in on the Marathon project? Ah-Hah, that's one reason we created a Marathon Tape project webpage..... http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html I'm thinking just a bit ahead, and dabbling with the idea of whether we should then make finals to cassette or compact disc. I've got a big stack of blank Denon high bias cassettes that could be used for duplication, utilizing my trusty ZX-7 deck here at the Mohican Pass Studios. We'll discuss further, after we have movement from Carlos. So, what's with the lull in NakTalking lately? Regards, Bleus de Nakker Madison, Wisc USA --- Keep the blues alive! Strive for global peace!!! http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html ____________________________________________________________ Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Apr 14 14:38:47 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 08:38:47 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: [NakChatt] NakTalk Check-in (Marathon Tape)...... References: Message-ID: <3E9AABD7.311505FC@rcn.com> The BlueSwapper wrote: > > Greetings dear NakTalkers..... > > [.......] > > I'm thinking just a bit ahead, and dabbling with the idea of > whether we should then make finals to cassette or compact disc. Since the whole project was about analog cassette recordings, I would opt for cassette distribution, especially if high quality duplication was available. Just my personal guy feel. -- Ron > I've got a big stack of blank Denon high bias cassettes that > could be used for duplication, utilizing my trusty ZX-7 deck > here at the Mohican Pass Studios. We'll discuss further, after > we have movement from Carlos. > > So, what's with the lull in NakTalking lately? > > Regards, > > Bleus de Nakker > Madison, Wisc USA > From kannan_s at vsnl.com Mon Apr 14 19:17:42 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 22:47:42 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Playback head -CR7/5 CR4/3 BX300 and DR /CD? Message-ID: <20030414171742.8DC7F11493B@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From jmtooley at ce.net Mon Apr 14 19:09:41 2003 From: jmtooley at ce.net (jmtooley at ce.net) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 13:09:41 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] NakTalk Check-in (Marathon Tape)...... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1050340181.3e9aeb5577c5d@mail.ce.net> Great news Bleus, thank you! Cassette or CD for me. If you send a cassette I would probably burn a CD copy. Cheers, John T. Quoting The BlueSwapper : > Greetings dear NakTalkers..... > > Just a Bleus check-in, to see whether my email passes thru the spam filtering > gateway at Naks.Com, and to update my Marathon Tape friends about what is > happening with the mastering of our cooperative efforts. > > I've been in contact with Carlos Guzman (el Magnifico, our Cassette Tape > Man), and he's reported alive, well and thriving in California. Carlos > mentioned that he will return home to Puerto Rico during April/May, to > hopefully finish the Marathon Tape project masters. After that, he will send > the master discs to me (Bleus) for duplication and distribution to all > participants. > > Forgotten who was in on the Marathon project? Ah-Hah, that's one reason we > created a Marathon Tape project webpage..... > > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html > > I'm thinking just a bit ahead, and dabbling with the idea of whether we > should then make finals to cassette or compact disc. I've got a big stack of > blank Denon high bias cassettes that could be used for duplication, utilizing > my trusty ZX-7 deck here at the Mohican Pass Studios. We'll discuss further, > after we have movement from Carlos. > > So, what's with the lull in NakTalking lately? > > Regards, > > Bleus de Nakker > Madison, Wisc USA > > --- > Keep the blues alive! Strive for global peace!!! > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! > Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ ========= > > From timbarrett at cox.net Mon Apr 14 21:30:47 2003 From: timbarrett at cox.net (timbarrett at cox.net) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 15:30:47 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Playback head -CR7/5 CR4/3 BX300 and DR /CD? In-Reply-To: <20030414171742.8DC7F11493B@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <3E9AD427.32490.E6CE5D@localhost> Kannan- Would you happen to have the Nakamichi part number for that head? Tim On 14 Apr 2003 at 22:47, kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: From: kannan_s at vsnl.com To: naktalk at naks.com Copies to: Date sent: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 22:47:42 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Playback head -CR7/5 CR4/3 BX300 and DR /CD? Send reply to: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > I have a playback head bought as a spare New and kept packed for last > three years ( thinking that I would require for any possible purchase > of an used deck in India.) This would fit CR3/4/5/7 and BX300 > definitely but not sure whether it is suitable for Cassette deck/ DR > series decks. Finally it arrived here and is with me. Before I ebay > it, I thought if any of naktalkers want it - can have it without > desperate bidding! Please contact me off naktalk. > > Thanks in advance > Kannan > ========-------------------------------------------------------------- > ----========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========-------------------------------------------------------------- > ----========= From enoyes at snet.net Tue Apr 15 04:06:37 2003 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 22:06:37 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: [NakChatt] NakTalk Check-in (Marathon Tape)...... References: <3E9AABD7.311505FC@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3E9B692D.7020501@snet.net> I would tend to agree except for the fact that the whole project also entered the digital domain in the process of being mastered. Ed Ron wrote: >The BlueSwapper wrote: > > >>Greetings dear NakTalkers..... >> >>[.......] >> >>I'm thinking just a bit ahead, and dabbling with the idea of >>whether we should then make finals to cassette or compact disc. >> >> > >Since the whole project was about analog cassette recordings, I >would opt for cassette distribution, especially if high quality >duplication was available. Just my personal guy feel. > >-- Ron > > > > >>I've got a big stack of blank Denon high bias cassettes that >>could be used for duplication, utilizing my trusty ZX-7 deck >>here at the Mohican Pass Studios. We'll discuss further, after >>we have movement from Carlos. >> >>So, what's with the lull in NakTalking lately? >> >>Regards, >> >>Bleus de Nakker >>Madison, Wisc USA >> >> >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Jo2jo64 at aol.com Tue Apr 15 04:44:56 2003 From: Jo2jo64 at aol.com (Jo2jo64 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 22:44:56 EDT Subject: [naktalk] RE: OMS 7AII Message-ID: <77.ea9b71b.2bcccc28@aol.com> Hi everyone: I am looking for an OMS 7AII for my home office, in good condition, with remote and manual. If you have one for sale, drop me a line and say hello. 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I was one of the technicians. > A knowledgeable friend said high-grade denatured > alcohol is best for the head, capstan & guide path but the Nak rubber pinch > roller can age prematurely from just alcohol, but he did not know what the best > pinch-roller cleaners are. Anyone care to comment? > Thanks, George Munger From eddy.pollet at pandora.be Tue Apr 15 08:55:45 2003 From: eddy.pollet at pandora.be (POLLET Eddy) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 08:55:45 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape In-Reply-To: <200304150218.h3F2InP21433@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: > I'm thinking just a bit ahead, and dabbling with the idea of whether we should > then make finals to cassette or compact disc. I've got a big stack of blank > Denon high bias cassettes that could be used for duplication, utilizing my > trusty ZX-7 deck here at the Mohican Pass Studios. We'll discuss further, > after we have movement from Carlos. Hi, personally I'd go for the CD : faster to make copies, very reliable for transport, no quality loss, probably cheaper, and the ones that want it on tape, can easily make a copy on their own thrusty Nak . I'm not sure that all the decks of the participants will give the best result with the Denon tape recorded on the ZX-7 ... e.g. my old 700, while I'm sure that the CD will sound OK . Just my 2 cents . Eddy From dondurham at earthlink.net Tue Apr 15 18:15:50 2003 From: dondurham at earthlink.net (Don Durham) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 11:15:50 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk Archives Message-ID: <86754C7D-6F5D-11D7-8E17-003065C23AC8@earthlink.net> I'll never get over forums such as these. I can't believe the wealth of experience and understanding just laid on everywhere you look. When I first discovered Naktalk a few weeks ago, I could click the Archives button at the site and go to all the past months sortable by subject, date, and so on; now - maybe since registering, I'm not sure - that click just gets me to March and April (and the opportunity to download the raw archive). What should I be doing to access sorted past months? Thanks for everything, Don From timbarrett at cox.net Tue Apr 15 19:16:26 2003 From: timbarrett at cox.net (timbarrett at cox.net) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 13:16:26 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk Archives In-Reply-To: <86754C7D-6F5D-11D7-8E17-003065C23AC8@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3E9C062A.14767.5922BDA@localhost> Speaking for myself, Don, I haven't had a sordid past month for a very long time. Let's hope you access yours very soon. But seriously, I agree with you on the depth of the knowledge base and the ethics of the people who participate. It's a refreshingly sane place to spend some time. Sorry I can't help you with your question about the arvhive, though. Tim On 15 Apr 2003 at 11:15, Don Durham wrote: Date sent: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 11:15:50 -0500 From: Don Durham To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk Archives Send reply to: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > I'll never get over forums such as these. I can't believe the wealth > of experience and understanding just laid on everywhere you look. > > When I first discovered Naktalk a few weeks ago, I could click the > Archives button at the site and go to all the past months sortable by > subject, date, and so on; now - maybe since registering, I'm not sure > - that click just gets me to March and April (and the opportunity to > download the raw archive). What should I be doing to access sorted > past months? > > Thanks for everything, > Don > > ========-------------------------------------------------------------- > ----========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========-------------------------------------------------------------- > ----========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Apr 15 21:33:05 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 20:33:05 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning heads In-Reply-To: <3E9B73DB.8040906@adelphia.net> Message-ID: <000001c30385$d70d1b80$0cd6883e@oemcomputer> Suggested alternatives, none of which have I tried ... just picked these up doing some research on the Web. "IBM Tape Unit Cleaner" (contains Trichlorotrifluoroethane AND isopropyl alcohol) HFE-7100. Vertrel® MCA is Dupont's substitute for Freon TF 97% Isopropanol alcohol cleaner Fluorocarbon cleaner (head cleaner) Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Fran Flynn > Sent: 15 April 2003 03:52 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning heads > > > I use 99% isopropyl. I get it from a medical supply. > Use it on the heads often, but only very occasionally > on the pinch rollers, or it will dry them out. > > 70% isopropyl alcohol from the drug store means it's 30% water. > You can clean your heads with it if you need to, but do you > really want to use water on your tape heads? > I don't think so. > > Freon TF is a good head (and rubber) cleaning fluid, but of course it > is a CFC and it's use is restricted or at least discouraged now. > > That's what we used during the 80's at Resolution, where we > did real time duplication on 250 ReVox B-215's. I was one > of the technicians. > > > > > A knowledgeable friend said high-grade denatured > > alcohol is best for the head, capstan & guide path but the Nak > rubber pinch > > roller can age prematurely from just alcohol, but he did not > know what the best > > pinch-roller cleaners are. Anyone care to comment? > > Thanks, George Munger > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.467 / Virus Database: 266 - Release Date: 01/04/03 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.467 / Virus Database: 266 - Release Date: 01/04/03 From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Apr 15 23:21:38 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 17:21:38 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning heads References: <000001c30385$d70d1b80$0cd6883e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3E9C77E2.3749A153@rcn.com> Graham, The IBM stuff should do a terrific job. Unfortunately, it's illegal this side of the pond. Where can I get some? -- Ron Graham Nelson wrote: > > Suggested alternatives, none of which have I tried ... just picked these up > doing some research on the Web. > > "IBM Tape Unit Cleaner" (contains Trichlorotrifluoroethane AND isopropyl > alcohol) > > HFE-7100. > > Vertrel® MCA is Dupont's substitute for Freon TF > > 97% Isopropanol alcohol cleaner > > Fluorocarbon cleaner (head cleaner) > > Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Fran Flynn > > Sent: 15 April 2003 03:52 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning heads > > > > > > I use 99% isopropyl. I get it from a medical supply. > > Use it on the heads often, but only very occasionally > > on the pinch rollers, or it will dry them out. > > > > 70% isopropyl alcohol from the drug store means it's 30% water. > > You can clean your heads with it if you need to, but do you > > really want to use water on your tape heads? > > I don't think so. > > > > Freon TF is a good head (and rubber) cleaning fluid, but of course it > > is a CFC and it's use is restricted or at least discouraged now. > > > > That's what we used during the 80's at Resolution, where we > > did real time duplication on 250 ReVox B-215's. I was one > > of the technicians. > > > > > > > > > A knowledgeable friend said high-grade denatured > > > alcohol is best for the head, capstan & guide path but the Nak > > rubber pinch > > > roller can age prematurely from just alcohol, but he did not > > know what the best > > > pinch-roller cleaners are. Anyone care to comment? > > > Thanks, George Munger > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------========= > > > > --- > > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.467 / Virus Database: 266 - Release Date: 01/04/03 > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.467 / Virus Database: 266 - Release Date: 01/04/03 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From dorian.dyer at digit6.com Tue Apr 15 23:25:59 2003 From: dorian.dyer at digit6.com (Dorian Dyer) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 17:25:59 -0400 Subject: [SPAM] Re: [naktalk] Cleaning heads In-Reply-To: <3E9C77E2.3749A153@rcn.com> Message-ID: <001901c30395$9c833200$9501010a@ddyer1> Hi Maybe it was already posted but what about the Radio Shack cleaners? They have several available. Dorian -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 5:22 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [SPAM] Re: [naktalk] Cleaning heads Graham, The IBM stuff should do a terrific job. Unfortunately, it's illegal this side of the pond. Where can I get some? -- Ron Graham Nelson wrote: > > Suggested alternatives, none of which have I tried ... just picked > these up doing some research on the Web. > > "IBM Tape Unit Cleaner" (contains Trichlorotrifluoroethane AND > isopropyl > alcohol) > > HFE-7100. > > VertrelR MCA is Dupont's substitute for Freon TF > > 97% Isopropanol alcohol cleaner > > Fluorocarbon cleaner (head cleaner) > > Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Fran Flynn > > Sent: 15 April 2003 03:52 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning heads > > > > > > I use 99% isopropyl. I get it from a medical supply. > > Use it on the heads often, but only very occasionally > > on the pinch rollers, or it will dry them out. > > > > 70% isopropyl alcohol from the drug store means it's 30% water. You > > can clean your heads with it if you need to, but do you really want > > to use water on your tape heads? I don't think so. > > > > Freon TF is a good head (and rubber) cleaning fluid, but of course > > it is a CFC and it's use is restricted or at least discouraged now. > > > > That's what we used during the 80's at Resolution, where we did real > > time duplication on 250 ReVox B-215's. I was one of the > > technicians. > > > > > > > > > A knowledgeable friend said high-grade denatured > > > alcohol is best for the head, capstan & guide path but the Nak > > rubber pinch > > > roller can age prematurely from just alcohol, but he did not > > know what the best > > > pinch-roller cleaners are. Anyone care to comment? Thanks, George > > > Munger > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------========= > > > > --- > > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.467 / Virus Database: 266 - Release Date: 01/04/03 > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.467 / Virus Database: 266 - Release Date: 01/04/03 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= From kurtis.bahr at lmco.com Wed Apr 16 01:32:45 2003 From: kurtis.bahr at lmco.com (Bahr, Kurtis) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 19:32:45 -0400 Subject: [SPAM] Re: [naktalk] Cleaning heads Message-ID: <0C73AA5F720CD311AC2A0008C7DBA9B406CF0E7E@emss09m13.ems.lmco.com> The only thing I recommend is the Professional Head Cleaning Solution. It is a very good cleaner and has less residue the the best isopropyl Alcohol. I use this for various cleaning requirements. Kurtis -----Original Message----- From: Dorian Dyer [mailto:dorian.dyer at digit6.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 5:26 PM To: ra.ah at rcn.com; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [SPAM] Re: [naktalk] Cleaning heads Hi Maybe it was already posted but what about the Radio Shack cleaners? They have several available. Dorian -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 5:22 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [SPAM] Re: [naktalk] Cleaning heads Graham, The IBM stuff should do a terrific job. Unfortunately, it's illegal this side of the pond. Where can I get some? -- Ron Graham Nelson wrote: > > Suggested alternatives, none of which have I tried ... just picked > these up doing some research on the Web. > > "IBM Tape Unit Cleaner" (contains Trichlorotrifluoroethane AND > isopropyl > alcohol) > > HFE-7100. > > VertrelR MCA is Dupont's substitute for Freon TF > > 97% Isopropanol alcohol cleaner > > Fluorocarbon cleaner (head cleaner) > > Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Fran Flynn > > Sent: 15 April 2003 03:52 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning heads > > > > > > I use 99% isopropyl. I get it from a medical supply. > > Use it on the heads often, but only very occasionally > > on the pinch rollers, or it will dry them out. > > > > 70% isopropyl alcohol from the drug store means it's 30% water. You > > can clean your heads with it if you need to, but do you really want > > to use water on your tape heads? I don't think so. > > > > Freon TF is a good head (and rubber) cleaning fluid, but of course > > it is a CFC and it's use is restricted or at least discouraged now. > > > > That's what we used during the 80's at Resolution, where we did real > > time duplication on 250 ReVox B-215's. I was one of the > > technicians. > > > > > > > > > A knowledgeable friend said high-grade denatured > > > alcohol is best for the head, capstan & guide path but the Nak > > rubber pinch > > > roller can age prematurely from just alcohol, but he did not > > know what the best > > > pinch-roller cleaners are. Anyone care to comment? Thanks, George > > > Munger > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------========= > > > > --- > > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.467 / Virus Database: 266 - Release Date: 01/04/03 > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.467 / Virus Database: 266 - Release Date: 01/04/03 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From dorian.dyer at digit6.com Wed Apr 16 03:20:10 2003 From: dorian.dyer at digit6.com (Dorian Dyer) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 21:20:10 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning heads In-Reply-To: <0C73AA5F720CD311AC2A0008C7DBA9B406CF0E7E@emss09m13.ems.lmco.com> Message-ID: <000001c303b6$53948780$6501a8c0@ddyermain> Now that I'm home I can look at my Radio Shack bottles: #1 tape head cleaner #44-1113d (2 fl. Oz / 59ml) Contents: isopropanol (67-63-0), ethanol (64-17-5), methanol (2.8%) (67-56-1) #2 tape head cleaner solution #44-1115e Contents: distilled water & isopropyl alcohol!!! MADE IN CHINA #3 tape recorder head cleaner #44-217a Contents: isopropanol #4 tape recorder head lubricant #44-217a Contents: ispropanol and organopolysiloxane So should I toss this stuff out? Dorian From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Apr 16 06:14:45 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 00:14:45 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning heads References: <000001c303b6$53948780$6501a8c0@ddyermain> Message-ID: <3E9CD8B5.B3187E6F@rcn.com> Dorian Dyer wrote: > > Now that I'm home I can look at my Radio Shack bottles: > > #1 tape head cleaner #44-1113d (2 fl. Oz / 59ml) > Contents: isopropanol (67-63-0), ethanol (64-17-5), methanol (2.8%) > (67-56-1) > > #2 tape head cleaner solution #44-1115e > Contents: distilled water & isopropyl alcohol!!! MADE IN CHINA > > #3 tape recorder head cleaner #44-217a > Contents: isopropanol > > #4 tape recorder head lubricant #44-217a > Contents: ispropanol and organopolysiloxane > > So should I toss this stuff out? Not necessarily. Isopropanol and isopropyl alcohol are similar solvents. Regardless of the preparation, these are all mild, safe cleaners. OK for occasional cleaning, useless against tough, dried-on dirt and tape residue. I am not sure about #4 (don't know what organopolysiloxane is). Graham mentioned an IBM cleaner that should be very good. I wish I knew where to get a can. -- Ron > Dorian > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Apr 16 11:26:06 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 10:26:06 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning heads In-Reply-To: <3E9C77E2.3749A153@rcn.com> Message-ID: <000d01c303fa$3530be00$a28e4c51@oemcomputer> Ron I gather the laws in the US regarding this stuff (and I am assured this is certainly true of Freon TF) is that it is now illegal to MAKE it, not sell it. With regard to the Freon TF, I gather there are large bulk stocks still available for large users of the stuff but that it's very expensive. You may find that IBM still have stock of their cleaner they can sell. (Incidentally, I heard about the IBM stuff from a e-mail post that was answering another enquiry about finding a substitute for Freon TF.) I shall be having a word with the Fujitsu engineers we have based at my bank to see if they can get their hands on some of the IBM cleaner for me! (Wish me luck ...) Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Ron > Sent: 15 April 2003 22:22 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cleaning heads > > > > Graham, The IBM stuff should do a terrific job. Unfortunately, > it's illegal this side of the pond. Where can I get some? > > -- Ron > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > Suggested alternatives, none of which have I tried ... just > picked these up > > doing some research on the Web. > > > > "IBM Tape Unit Cleaner" (contains Trichlorotrifluoroethane AND isopropyl > > alcohol) > > > > HFE-7100. > > > > Vertrel® MCA is Dupont's substitute for Freon TF > > > > 97% Isopropanol alcohol cleaner > > > > Fluorocarbon cleaner (head cleaner) > > > > Gra' > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.467 / Virus Database: 266 - Release Date: 01/04/03 From dbrabec at satx.rr.com Wed Apr 16 15:33:41 2003 From: dbrabec at satx.rr.com (David Brabec) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 08:33:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning heads Message-ID: <000001c3041c$ce658160$2a93a018@scorpionmunchie> I could be wrong (would be the first time today - but, it is also very early yet!) - but don't see the big debate over head cleaning products. Clean is clean. 97% alcohol, MG Chemicals head cleaner (what I use), or just about anything will clean the head as long as there is no residue left. If the heads aren't real dirty, cleaning them dry works just fine too - after all, you are removing solid particles (iron oxide or chromium dioxide). The moisture from alcohol or other cleaners helps to break the bond created from the particles and humidity (makes them clingy) - but, to me, that's really the only advantage. As far as residue goes, if you are worried about it - "polish" the head with a dry chamois sponge or q-tip - and that should remove any residue left over from cleaning. The hard part to clean, and what matters most to me, is the pinch roller. For that, I use rubber renue every once in a while - but, most of the time, I use plain water (yes, water) on a cotton swab followed by dry swabs until dry. Pinch rollers look and grab like new - no residue. Like I said, could be totally wrong - but find what makes you happy as far as head cleaners go. Clean is CLEAN - period. Once a head is clean with no residue - it isn't going to get ANY cleaner. Besides, who among us Nakamichi freaks actually lets their heads really get dirty anyway? Our "dirty" heads are probably spotless to most other people. Believe me, I have bought some decks from people that NEEDED a good cleaning - and I seriously doubt that they are members of NAKTALK. Just my 2 cents - but, clean is clean folks. From nealw at decillion.net Wed Apr 16 16:35:18 2003 From: nealw at decillion.net (Neal Walker) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 16:35:18 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Thorens Reference Turntable Message-ID: <4383342ADDF2D61195DD009027B2017B0ACA66@CPT-01> Just seen on advertised for $1800 with an eminant tech arm (an air bearing arm i believe) what do you guys think should i look into it? - = ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above and may contain information that is confidential and privileged, proprietary to the company and protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of our company shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. From gwmunger at bestweb.net Wed Apr 16 20:19:28 2003 From: gwmunger at bestweb.net (geochapp20) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 13:19:28 EST Subject: [naktalk] Pinch Roller Claining Message-ID: <3e9d90a0.d194.0@bestweb.net> HI. The prior comments, about cleaners, was most informative. Dave's info about PRC (pinch roller cleaner), using water, was definitely interesting; PRC is the topic, where I had the least knowledge. It makes sense to me to use PRC's which are Safe; if I have to breathe where I clean, and that is the case here, then I prefer to NOT to have to use a gas mask; some of the fumes given off by materials previously commented on, might be toxic and dangereous - know what you are dealing with, and take sensible precautions. PRCs, for me, must also be Functionally Effective, Reasonably Available & Cost Effective. I believe that Dave also makes a good point; the best PRC for heads (and tape path) is NOT necessarily best for the pinch roller, due to the increased effect, of rubber, to typical head cleaners. RESIDUE TYPES. I see that basically, there are two residue types: TR-Tape Residue: the crud that migrates from the tape and which accumulates on every surface in the tape path, and CR-Cleaner Residue: chemical residue that remains after a surface is cleaned (if any), by using alcohol or other fluid. TR (TAPE RESIDUE). I insist on a good clean for my Nak (my vinyl is up there, too) so both residue types are my targets. TR builds up with each use and I remove it from hard surfaces regularly. TR on heads can reduce performance easily, and also add drag to the tape path, wherever it resides. I wouldn't be surprised if TR migrated from a head, guide or roller, back on to another tape! CR (Cleaner Residue) is also my target, although not as critical an issue as TR, it still may degrade pinch rollers by reacting chemically with the rubber (and I sure don't need to deal with replacing pinch rollers any more than I have to), and may also Attract the very stuff I am trying my darnd'est to avoid in the first place; TR. The 99% grade alcohol based products, and similar, are probably fine, and then some; being so pure, little Noticable CR is left behind after use. I have been told by others, that lower-grade alcohol products may clean, but Also leave behind small, but Noticeable amounts of CR. Noticeable is the operative word, here. If there is NO Noticeable effect, then I guess I have done, what I consider to be, a good effort to satisfy my requirements. Thus, it may seem reasonable to some, that the higher grade may be worth the trouble to use. But this is still about removing the big problem; crud. Removing TR is what really matters most to me. Remove the crud and you probably have 97% of the total residue problem (my own statistics-guestimated) resolved. OK, so I use the high grade alcohol based or, whatever based, ultra-low residue, hard-surface TR cleaner, on my best-quality gear (read: Nak deck). In Any Case, I Clean and leave nothing behind; nothing that will cause me more work, later on. Now, The Pinch-Roller; being more tacky (more adheisive) than the metal surfaces, due to the rubber, it very effectively attracts and collects TR. So, now to clean the roller. But, I want to take extra precautions, to also preserve the life of the rubber compound, as well as remove TR. Water seems just about as safe as can be. For some people, though, a faster working product may be desired, but one which is still able to work, without degrading the rubber. I have a rule about TR on my Nak: If I can See the TR on, I can Clean the TR off. I like to clean often, to avoid build-up. I will try the water (distilled) method for a while, as it does seem worth the try. I love this site. George Munger ------------------------------------------------------ ... As far as residue goes, if you are worried about it - "polish" the head with a dry chamois sponge or q-tip - and that should remove any residue left over from cleaning. The hard part to clean, and what matters most to me, is the pinch roller. For that, I use rubber renue every once in a while - but, most of the time, I use plain water (yes, water) on a cotton swab followed by dry swabs until dry. Pinch rollers look and grab like new - no residue. Like I said, could be totally wrong - but find what makes you happy as far as head cleaners go. Clean is CLEAN - period. Once a head is clean with no residue - it isn't going to get ANY cleaner. Besides,who among us Nakamichi freaks actually lets their heads really get dirty anyway? Our "dirty" heads are probably spotless to most other people. ... From kannan_s at vsnl.com Wed Apr 16 20:03:11 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 23:33:11 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Pinch Roller Claining Message-ID: <20030416180311.C5F3A114A17@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From khmerideth at anderson.edu Wed Apr 16 23:12:56 2003 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 16:12:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: [NakChatt] NakTalk Check-in (Marathon Tape)...... Message-ID: My feelings, as well, Ron. Bleus' ZX-7 would do a fine job of copying the master tape, played on his RX-505. Personally, I will not be transferring the tape to a CD, but will be making a copy on another tape to use for everyday listening. Was surprised when my wife was upset we could not get our 2003 Ford Focus wagon with a tape player. Seems it is much easier to load a different tape than it is to load a different CD, in the car. Just an opinion from this die-hard analogue freak. Kent Merideth >>> Ron 04/14/03 07:38AM >>> The BlueSwapper wrote: > > Greetings dear NakTalkers..... > > [.......] > > I'm thinking just a bit ahead, and dabbling with the idea of > whether we should then make finals to cassette or compact disc. Since the whole project was about analog cassette recordings, I would opt for cassette distribution, especially if high quality duplication was available. Just my personal guy feel. -- Ron > I've got a big stack of blank Denon high bias cassettes that > could be used for duplication, utilizing my trusty ZX-7 deck > here at the Mohican Pass Studios. We'll discuss further, after > we have movement from Carlos. > > So, what's with the lull in NakTalking lately? > > Regards, > > Bleus de Nakker > Madison, Wisc USA > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BADANTH at aol.com Wed Apr 16 23:18:29 2003 From: BADANTH at aol.com (BADANTH at aol.com) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 17:18:29 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Newbie Questions Message-ID: <1d9.78ec135.2bcf22a5@aol.com> Hello, I just picked up my first Nakamichi product a CR-1A tape deck and have some questions. Since I purchased it online I knew there would be a possibility it may need some help and since it was a nominal cost I bought it. My first question is where can I get a manual for this unit? Next, I've noticed when I record it seems on playback that it takes awhile for the tape to sound up to par. It sounds muffled and fades lightly in and out until it plays aways and then it sounds fine. Does anyone know what this might be? And finally, I'd like to know how to check to see if my deck has been upgraded or not and if it need to be serviced. Thanks for any help you can provide. Anthony -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From blueswapper at angelfire.com Wed Apr 16 23:20:31 2003 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 14:20:31 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Cleaning Deck Heads (Isoprop Rules) Message-ID: Agreement here with Fran, Isoprop is the key solution to good cleaning inside cassette deck transports and heads. Isoprop (90%+ solution) and cotton swabs on wood sticks (approx length 15 cm) works best for me. I use this combo on all of my decks, to clean all metal transport, heads, rollers (separate swabs for each portion of the cleaning). And when I do the cleaning, I follow-up with a demagnetizing with my Nak DM-10 hand-held unit. I purchase essential cleaning gear from awell regarded internet catalog, partsexpress.com, in Ohio, USA. Competetive pricing, trustworthy service, I believe they ship internationally. Isoprop 99%: http://www.partsexpress.com/webpage.cfm?&DID=7&WebPage_ID=3 Swabs: http://www.partsexpress.com/webpage.cfm?&DID=7&WebPage_ID=3 What do you guys think about doing a rejuvenator solution on the rubber components after isoprop cleaning? Sparingly?? Rubber Rejuvenator: http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/pshowdetl.cfm?&DID=7&Partnumber=341-362 Regards, K.J Bleus Madison, Wisc USA --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html ---forwarded message--- Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 22:52:11 -0400 From: Fran Flynn Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning heads To: naktalk at naks.com I use 99% isopropyl. I get it from a medical supply. Use it on the heads often, but only very occasionally on the pinch rollers, or it will dry them out. 70% isopropyl alcohol from the drug store means it's 30% water. You can clean your heads with it if you need to, but do you really want to use water on your tape heads? I don't think so. Freon TF is a good head (and rubber) cleaning fluid, but of course it is a CFC and it's use is restricted or at least discouraged now. That's what we used during the 80's at Resolution, where we did real time duplication on 250 ReVox B-215's. I was one of the technicians. ____________________________________________________________ Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus From khmerideth at anderson.edu Wed Apr 16 23:22:54 2003 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 16:22:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: [NakChatt] NakTalk Check-in (Marathon Tape). Message-ID: My feelings, as well, Ron. Bleus' ZX-7 would do a fine job of copying the master tape, played on his RX-505. Personally, I will not be transferring the tape to a CD, but will be making a copy on another tape to use for everyday listening. Was surprised when my wife was upset we could not get our 2003 Ford Focus wagon with a tape player. Seems it is much easier to load a different tape than it is to load a different CD, in the car. Just an opinion from this die-hard analogue freak. Kent Merideth >>> Ron 04/14/03 07:38AM >>> The BlueSwapper wrote: > > Greetings dear NakTalkers..... > > [.......] > > I'm thinking just a bit ahead, and dabbling with the idea of > whether we should then make finals to cassette or compact disc. Since the whole project was about analog cassette recordings, I would opt for cassette distribution, especially if high quality duplication was available. Just my personal guy feel. -- Ron > I've got a big stack of blank Denon high bias cassettes that > could be used for duplication, utilizing my trusty ZX-7 deck > here at the Mohican Pass Studios. We'll discuss further, after > we have movement from Carlos. > > So, what's with the lull in NakTalking lately? > > Regards, > > Bleus de Nakker > Madison, Wisc USA > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dbrabec at satx.rr.com Thu Apr 17 00:51:15 2003 From: dbrabec at satx.rr.com (David Brabec) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 17:51:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Newbie Questions Message-ID: <000501c3046a$b2943e10$2a93a018@scorpionmunchie> If it plays a little and then sounds okay, I would think mainly that the tape path needs a good cleaning - especially the pinch roller / capstan area. Sounds like it may be just taking a little time to get the tape aligned to the head. Most of the decks that I have bought used have needed a good cleaning. If this happens ONLY when you start a recording (not when you start playback of a recorded tape) it is a more serious issue and better addressed by the expert techs (and there are a few here, believe me! Stepen Sank, for one, repairs a LOT of the peoples decks from here - and he is very helpful with info. If I had to guess (and show my limited ability) - if it's just in the recording side - I would suspect something in the bias oscillator circuitry - best guess, capacitors. Again, I am by no means a pro - I can repair decks quite well - but it takes me time to find the flaw. As far as repair goes - and don't take this the wrong way - it may not be worth putting much in. The CR-1 is a fine deck - but, as you said, you didn't pay much for it - and that is common. I have a BX-100 that is BEAUTIFUL in form and function - but, no matter how great it is - it will never be worth putting "serious" money into as they are available so cheaply. I have heard that Stephen Sank is very reasonable in his prices - and he does come highly recommended from people on this board. The great thing about Stephen - he will tell you how to fix it yourself if you can - as opposed to those that may know it's a simple simple fix - but want you to send it into them anyway. As far as the manual goes - I'll send you the .pdf file if your e-mail can handle it? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dbrabec at satx.rr.com Thu Apr 17 00:59:59 2003 From: dbrabec at satx.rr.com (David Brabec) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 17:59:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 2 Message-ID: <000a01c3046b$eb1fd6d0$2a93a018@scorpionmunchie> Nope, no DIN on the Cassette Deck 2 - sorry! It DOES, however, have a miniplug jack for the system remote, if that helps. From BADANTH at aol.com Thu Apr 17 01:05:54 2003 From: BADANTH at aol.com (BADANTH at aol.com) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 19:05:54 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Newbie Questions Message-ID: <4c.1b5a2b25.2bcf3bd2@aol.com> Thanks for your help! I'll give it another good cleaning and see what happens. I understand what you mean by not being worth the $$$ to fix if necessary too. It did seem to do it at the beginning or each time I started to record so maybe it needs more than a cleaning. Since I don't know much about recording with it yet, I would like that manual file if you'd be so kind to see if I'm using it properly etc.. I think this site is great and should I have to upgrade I surely would buy a better Nak the next time. I was hoping to use this to tape some of my albums and didn't want to invest much if possible. Maybe Stephen will come to the rescue, if not I'm sure I can send it somewhere if it's worth it to fix the problem. Thanks, Anthony -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dbrabec at satx.rr.com Thu Apr 17 01:12:53 2003 From: dbrabec at satx.rr.com (David Brabec) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 18:12:53 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Newbie Questions Message-ID: <001101c3046d$b82dedf0$2a93a018@scorpionmunchie> The manual is on the way. Also, as I said in the e-mail to you - give the deck some time - it may not have been used in years! One other thing - you may want to put 1 (ONE) drop of good, high quality oil on the BASE of the capstan shaft, work it in, then clean the capstan and such real good (you don't ever want oil on the pinch roller!) - they tend to "stick" a little if not used for a while. Radio Hack..err.Shack, sells a precision oiler with Teflon oil in it for a couple bucks. From BADANTH at aol.com Thu Apr 17 01:21:00 2003 From: BADANTH at aol.com (BADANTH at aol.com) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 19:21:00 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Newbie Questions Message-ID: <1ed.6dcae61.2bcf3f5c@aol.com> I just happen to have some teflon oil, so I'll give it a whirl. Thanks again... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dbrabec at satx.rr.com Thu Apr 17 01:22:26 2003 From: dbrabec at satx.rr.com (David Brabec) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 18:22:26 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Newbie Questions Message-ID: <001201c3046f$0e1f5040$2a93a018@scorpionmunchie> One other thing - you reference to buying a better deck in the future? Well, bargains can still be found. Just received a RX-505 today - considering what I paid for it, I thought it would need some help. Turns out - perfect. Looks terrific, sounds perfect (haven't run tests on it yet - but.I think it will do JUST fine!) and..it was recently serviced (new belts being the smallest thing done). I'll be weeding out my collection (fetish?) pretty soon - as soon as I know they are as perfect as I can make them (which means.Nakamichi spec is NOTHING) and I'll let you know if you like. I do believe that Nakamichi really under spec'd their decks - as it is amazing what they can achieve if a person is willing to spend the time to tweak them. Also, feel free to post ebay auction links for people's opinion - we are pretty good at spotting junk - and pretty good at spotting a good bargain (I have been very blessed lately myself). Finally, if you look at the posts, you will get a good idea of what people think are the best decks made - specifically the Dragon, ZX-9/7, CR-7, and RX-505 (not to mention the 680 series which were also terrific). Be careful - Nak decks are addicting (at least to me!). I have.ummm.a few.that have to go - but.they can be hard to part with! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Apr 17 01:25:37 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 00:25:37 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: [NakChatt] NakTalk Check-in (MarathonTape)...... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c3046f$7c5c2380$ca834c51@oemcomputer> -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kent Merideth Sent: 16 April 2003 22:13 To: naktalk at naks.com; ra.ah at rcn.com; NakChatt at yahoogroups.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: [NakChatt] NakTalk Check-in (MarathonTape)...... " Was surprised when my wife was upset we could not get our 2003 Ford Focus wagon with a tape player. Seems it is much easier to load a different tape than it is to load a different CD, in the car. Just an opinion from this die-hard analogue freak. " Right on, Kent!! Gra' --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.471 / Virus Database: 269 - Release Date: 10/04/03 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Apr 17 01:29:43 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 00:29:43 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Badanth@aol In-Reply-To: <001101c3046d$b82dedf0$2a93a018@scorpionmunchie> Message-ID: <000501c30470$0f39cb80$ca834c51@oemcomputer> I can't open emails from you - sorry - when I try my Outlook program crashes. Anyone else having this problem? Graham > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.471 / Virus Database: 269 - Release Date: 10/04/03 From dbrabec at satx.rr.com Thu Apr 17 01:37:21 2003 From: dbrabec at satx.rr.com (David Brabec) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 18:37:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Badanth@aol Message-ID: <002301c30471$237372d0$2a93a018@scorpionmunchie> Nope Graham - it's just you. Aren't you special! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dbrabec at satx.rr.com Thu Apr 17 01:40:42 2003 From: dbrabec at satx.rr.com (David Brabec) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 18:40:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Very Stupid Question Message-ID: <002801c30471$980b5180$2a93a018@scorpionmunchie> Okay, as many times as I have posted here - you would think I would know this - but NO!!! How do I reply to a thread? I click on it, it comes up in my e-mail - but when I post, it is still separated from the thread. From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Apr 17 01:43:27 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 00:43:27 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Badanth@aol In-Reply-To: <002301c30471$237372d0$2a93a018@scorpionmunchie> Message-ID: <000b01c30471$fa4446e0$ca834c51@oemcomputer> Heh! Heh! I know .... :o) I've been getting this same problem with other e-mails from specific people. I'm guessing it might be some kind of incompatibility of one of the newer email programs with Outlook 98 ... Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of David Brabec Sent: 17 April 2003 00:37 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Badanth at aol Nope Graham – it’s just you. Aren’t you special! --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.471 / Virus Database: 269 - Release Date: 10/04/03 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Apr 17 01:38:26 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 09:38:26 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Very Stupid Question Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201FAE@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> David what e-mail program are you using? Tom Siomopoulos -----Original Message----- From: David Brabec [mailto:dbrabec at satx.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, 17 April 2003 9:41 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Very Stupid Question Okay, as many times as I have posted here - you would think I would know this - but NO!!! How do I reply to a thread? I click on it, it comes up in my e-mail - but when I post, it is still separated from the thread. ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From dbrabec at satx.rr.com Thu Apr 17 01:46:36 2003 From: dbrabec at satx.rr.com (David Brabec) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 18:46:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Very Stupid Question Message-ID: <002901c30472$6b6b8fe0$2a93a018@scorpionmunchie> Microshaft Outlook XP -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From fflynn at adelphia.net Thu Apr 17 02:13:55 2003 From: fflynn at adelphia.net (Fran Flynn) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 20:13:55 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nakamichi Newbie Questions Message-ID: <3E9DF1C3.1050701@adelphia.net> If you oil the CR1a, be very careful not to get any on the pinch roller surface, if you do, clean it with alcohol. Generally, the pinch roller's bushing doesn't stick often, since the roller is plastic and is to some extent self lubricating. The first thing I would do is take off the access cover (so you can see the heads and pinch roller, it just pops off the front of the deck, push it up), close the cassette compartment without a tape in it, put the machine in play and then let a alcohol soaked Q-tip run along the pinch roller surface for 10 or 20 seconds or so. Let it dry, then run a tape you don't care too much about because you may get some of the solvent in the tape. Then run a good tape and check how it sounds. What you describe sounds like the pinch roller moving the tape up and down a bit, upsetting the azimuth at the tape head. Sometimes a bad tape shell can do that, too. Or if a tape hasn't been played in a while, fast forward and rewind it a couple of times to repack the tape inside the shell. By "shell", I mean the housing of the cassette tape itself. I hope things work out, good luck. Fran Flynn From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Apr 17 02:53:14 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 10:53:14 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Very Stupid Question Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201FB2@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Not having much exposure to outlook XP, if it the same with Outlook 2000 then do the following... Click on tools from the menu bar, and then select options. From there try to find the "email options" radio button, from there click on it and check to see in the "on reply and forward" options whether or not the "include the original text when forwarding" is selected. If not then you will need to select this to solve your problem. Regards Tom Siomopoulos -----Original Message----- From: David Brabec [mailto:dbrabec at satx.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, 17 April 2003 9:47 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Very Stupid Question Microshaft Outlook XP -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From blueswapper at angelfire.com Thu Apr 17 04:32:16 2003 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 19:32:16 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalk Check-in (Marathon Tape)...... Message-ID: Well, let's see what comes from Carlos Guzman in the near future. I won't make any commitment as to when we'll get this M-Tape distribution all together, the best thing to state is that we'll strive for closure by summertime, sooner if possible. We can easily do a cdr version of the Marathon Tape, since I've got a very dependable dual tray compact disc recorder deck (Philips CDR Model 765). In fact, Carlos made mention of his plan to do the master to CDR, which will make duplication easiest. Perhaps we will offer a choice of cassette or disc. We'll distribute discs, and for those that want a cassette version, I can do that too. A little more logistics work, but hey, we're doing this for the best reasons, sharing our music between us worldwide! We'll work out specifics when I have the master recording in my hands. I'll keep you M-Tapers apprised of my dealings with Carlos via NakTalk. Any questions, contact me. Bleus de Nakker Madison, Wisc USA --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper --------- Forwarded Message --------- DATE: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 20:52:30 From: "The BlueSwapper" To: naktalk at naks.com, NakChatt at yahoogroups.com Cc:blueswapper at angelfire.com Greetings dear NakTalkers..... Just a Bleus check-in, to see whether my email passes thru the spam filtering gateway at Naks.Com, and to update my Marathon Tape friends about what is happening with the mastering of our cooperative efforts. I've been in contact with Carlos Guzman (el Magnifico, our Cassette Tape Man), and he's reported alive, well and thriving in California. Carlos mentioned that he will return home to Puerto Rico during April/May, to hopefully finish the Marathon Tape project masters. After that, he will send the master discs to me (Bleus) for duplication and distribution to all participants. Forgotten who was in on the Marathon project? Ah-Hah, that's one reason we created a Marathon Tape project webpage..... http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html I'm thinking just a bit ahead, and dabbling with the idea of whether we should then make finals to cassette or compact disc. I've got a big stack of blank Denon high bias cassettes that could be used for duplication, utilizing my trusty ZX-7 deck here at the Mohican Pass Studios. We'll discuss further, after we have movement from Carlos. So, what's with the lull in NakTalking lately? Regards, Bleus de Nakker Madison, Wisc USA --- Keep the blues alive! Strive for global peace!!! http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html --------- End Forwarded Message --------- ____________________________________________________________ Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Apr 17 15:00:42 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 09:00:42 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalk Check-in (Marathon Tape)...... References: Message-ID: <3E9EA57A.404F53F0@rcn.com> I think that if Carlos sends a CDR, I would opt for a CDR copy. If he sends a cassette (meaning, the music was always in the analog domain) I would certainly prefer a cassette. My feeling is that this was always meant as a Nakamichi analog tape project and should remain so all the way from the original recordings to the final cassette. But if this goal has been violated along the way, even once, the final print may just as well be a CDR. -- Ron The BlueSwapper wrote: > > Well, let's see what comes from Carlos Guzman in the near future. I won't make any commitment as to when we'll get this M-Tape distribution all together, the best thing to state is that we'll strive for closure by summertime, sooner if possible. > > We can easily do a cdr version of the Marathon Tape, since I've got a very dependable dual tray compact disc recorder deck (Philips CDR Model 765). In fact, Carlos made mention of his plan to do the master to CDR, which will make duplication easiest. Perhaps we will offer a choice of cassette or disc. We'll distribute discs, and for those that want a cassette version, I can do that too. A little more logistics work, but hey, we're doing this for the best reasons, sharing our music between us worldwide! We'll work out specifics when I have the master recording in my hands. I'll keep you M-Tapers apprised of my dealings with Carlos via NakTalk. Any questions, contact me. > > Bleus de Nakker > Madison, Wisc USA > > --- > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > > --------- Forwarded Message --------- > > DATE: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 20:52:30 > From: "The BlueSwapper" > To: naktalk at naks.com, NakChatt at yahoogroups.com > Cc:blueswapper at angelfire.com > Greetings dear NakTalkers..... > > Just a Bleus check-in, to see whether my email passes thru the spam filtering gateway at Naks.Com, and to update my Marathon Tape friends about what is happening with the mastering of our cooperative efforts. > > I've been in contact with Carlos Guzman (el Magnifico, our Cassette Tape Man), and he's reported alive, well and thriving in California. Carlos mentioned that he will return home to Puerto Rico during April/May, to hopefully finish the Marathon Tape project masters. After that, he will send the master discs to me (Bleus) for duplication and distribution to all participants. > > Forgotten who was in on the Marathon project? Ah-Hah, that's one reason we created a Marathon Tape project webpage..... > > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html > > I'm thinking just a bit ahead, and dabbling with the idea of whether we should then make finals to cassette or compact disc. I've got a big stack of blank Denon high bias cassettes that could be used for duplication, utilizing my trusty ZX-7 deck here at the Mohican Pass Studios. We'll discuss further, after we have movement from Carlos. > > So, what's with the lull in NakTalking lately? > > Regards, > > Bleus de Nakker > Madison, Wisc USA > > --- > Keep the blues alive! Strive for global peace!!! > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html > > --------- End Forwarded Message --------- > > ____________________________________________________________ > Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! > Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From dondurham at earthlink.net Thu Apr 17 19:02:52 2003 From: dondurham at earthlink.net (Don Durham) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 12:02:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Supernormal Naks...I'd Like Three! In-Reply-To: <200304162349.h3GNnMP28617@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <6D049217-70F6-11D7-9140-003065C23AC8@earthlink.net> Hi David, (Brabec) About your response yesterday to 'Nakamichi Newbie Questions' (below): > I'll be weeding out my collection (fetish?) pretty soon - > as > soon as I know they are as perfect as I can make them (which > means.Nakamichi spec is NOTHING) and I'll let you know if you like. I > do > believe that Nakamichi really under spec'd their decks - as it is > amazing what they can achieve if a person is willing to spend the time > to tweak them. I'm fascinated. Could you give a general idea of the kind of fine-tuning techniques you're talking about for those of us who don't know? Also, Re your encouraging.. > Also, feel free to post ebay auction links for people's > opinion - we are pretty good at spotting junk - and pretty good at > spotting a good bargain (I have been very blessed lately myself). > Finally, if you look at the posts, you will get a good idea of what > people think are the best decks made - specifically the Dragon, ZX-9/7, > CR-7, and RX-505 (not to mention the 680 series which were also > terrific). > Be careful - Nak decks are addicting (at least to me!). I > have.ummm.a few.that have to go - but.they can be hard to part with! I'm still shopping for my deck - to go with the other gems in my first sound system in 15 years! (I'm sure that's as hard for me to believe as it is for anybody else. My wife and I simply got out of recorded music in the late '80s, thinking we'd wait for CD technology to mature. Recently we got tired of waiting.) The 'new' system is mostly made up of gorgeous 'deals' gathered at auction over the past year. I'm actually shopping for three Naks: two for friends who will be playing tapes I make, and one for me to make the tapes. I've been thinking perhaps 680 ZXs for my friends, if I can find them for around $200 - which I guess might be unrealistic - and a ZX-9 for myself..BUT.. I'd certainly appreciate any Naktalk that anyone might have to offer on this whole subject. Any comments, similar experiences, anything? BTW a 680ZX just completely got away on eBay; I tried to bid during the last 10 minutes of the auction but nothing at eBay would load! I just kept getting error messages till the thing was over. I'll bet that was a nice deck. There's a ZX-9 on Audiogon right now that I'm considering. The seller says that he just got it back from a $250 tuneup and that the tech said that the deck's insides were in 'fantastic' condition. His asking price is $600. What does everybody think? From khmerideth at anderson.edu Thu Apr 17 20:33:37 2003 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 13:33:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalk Check-in (Marathon Tape)...... Message-ID: Whoops, my previous e-mail had all the information (including the web link) before the web link missing: http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html Don't know how all that information got chopped off my originally received e-mail, but this explains a lot of the other responses. Wondered what the talk of the tape already going digital was about. Now that I've seen what has actually happened to the "analog" master, I'll opt for a CD-R copy, which will be copied to cassette. Since the master has already been "violated", might as well eliminate one more generation of duplication. This forces me into the "digital" domain, ARGH! Kent Merideth >>> "The BlueSwapper" 04/16/03 09:32PM >>> Well, let's see what comes from Carlos Guzman in the near future. I won't make any commitment as to when we'll get this M-Tape distribution all together, the best thing to state is that we'll strive for closure by summertime, sooner if possible. We can easily do a cdr version of the Marathon Tape, since I've got a very dependable dual tray compact disc recorder deck (Philips CDR Model 765). In fact, Carlos made mention of his plan to do the master to CDR, which will make duplication easiest. Perhaps we will offer a choice of cassette or disc. We'll distribute discs, and for those that want a cassette version, I can do that too. A little more logistics work, but hey, we're doing this for the best reasons, sharing our music between us worldwide! We'll work out specifics when I have the master recording in my hands. I'll keep you M-Tapers apprised of my dealings with Carlos via NakTalk. Any questions, contact me. Bleus de Nakker Madison, Wisc USA --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper --------- Forwarded Message --------- DATE: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 20:52:30 From: "The BlueSwapper" To: naktalk at naks.com, NakChatt at yahoogroups.com Cc:blueswapper at angelfire.com Greetings dear NakTalkers..... Just a Bleus check-in, to see whether my email passes thru the spam filtering gateway at Naks.Com, and to update my Marathon Tape friends about what is happening with the mastering of our cooperative efforts. I've been in contact with Carlos Guzman (el Magnifico, our Cassette Tape Man), and he's reported alive, well and thriving in California. Carlos mentioned that he will return home to Puerto Rico during April/May, to hopefully finish the Marathon Tape project masters. After that, he will send the master discs to me (Bleus) for duplication and distribution to all participants. Forgotten who was in on the Marathon project? Ah-Hah, that's one reason we created a Marathon Tape project webpage..... http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html I'm thinking just a bit ahead, and dabbling with the idea of whether we should then make finals to cassette or compact disc. I've got a big stack of blank Denon high bias cassettes that could be used for duplication, utilizing my trusty ZX-7 deck here at the Mohican Pass Studios. We'll discuss further, after we have movement from Carlos. So, what's with the lull in NakTalking lately? Regards, Bleus de Nakker Madison, Wisc USA --- Keep the blues alive! Strive for global peace!!! http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html --------- End Forwarded Message --------- ____________________________________________________________ Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dbrabec at satx.rr.com Thu Apr 17 21:57:18 2003 From: dbrabec at satx.rr.com (David Brabec) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 14:57:18 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Supernormal Naks...I'd Like Three! Message-ID: <000001c3051b$9072e2d0$2a93a018@scorpionmunchie> There really isn't much to it - Nakamichi, like any company, has tolerances which allow them to get a unit out the door faster. It's quicker to adjust something to "close enough" than to "perfect or as good as I can get it". Having your deck aligned by a pro (I am NOT a pro - I am still learning WAY too much!) will be no different - the deck will likely be returned to you in better alignment than it was from the factory. There are many small things that can be done to improve performance - the biggest, assuming everything is physically and electrically okay - is matching the bias to the tape. This can be as easy as front panel controls (the ZX-9/7) if there are one for each channel - or, taking the cover off and adjusting each channel internally because there is no control or only one on the outside. It isn't magic, by any means, and in all likelihood, most ears won't tell much of a difference, if any at all (especially as we age.sigh.) Sorry if it sounded like I was doing something out of the ordinary (there are some on the board that do!) - but, it's basically just a really precise alignment - nothing that any tech couldn't do (and probably quicker than me to boot!). There are a few other things - like cold solder joints and such, but only done on an as needed basis. Some Naks are known to have "orange cap disease" (bad orange capacitors) and they will need replacing - so far, I have been fortunate. The 680 series is highly regarded - I don't own one, so will leave opinion off. May be difficult to find a really good one at $200 though. Bargains can still be had (I've been lucky) but sometimes, if it doesn't seem right, it isn't. The ZX-9 is one of the best produced in many peoples opinion. I own a ZX-7 (lacks the direct drive of the ZX-9) and it's a wonderful deck. The controls on the front basically allow the user to align level and bias to a level that would have required opening the cover on other decks. It is a joy to use, and the sound is simply stunning. $600 doesn't seem outrageous as long as the deck is in great shape - and, if the deck is flawless or nearly so, it's a bargain I looked at the ad and looks pretty good. The condition 7/10 sounds a little rough - but after looking at what 7/10 is supposed to be, it doesn't sound bad at all. They can be had a little cheaper - but, you never know about what you are getting. Would like to see the paperwork for the tune-up - or know what was done and by who. Hard to say "snatch it" when a better one may come down the road a week from now, and for less money - but, this doesn't seem like a bad deal either. If I were looking for a ZX-9, I would consider it. (How's that for a non-commital, don't blame me if it's junk reply? ) You spends your money - you takes your chance. Now, if I were spending YOUR money...well... From dorian.dyer at digit6.com Thu Apr 17 23:20:37 2003 From: dorian.dyer at digit6.com (Dorian Dyer) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 17:20:37 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Supernormal Naks...I'd Like Three! In-Reply-To: <000001c3051b$9072e2d0$2a93a018@scorpionmunchie> Message-ID: <000301c30527$311614e0$9501010a@ddyer1> I bought two clean looking ZX-7's off e-bay for around $300 each including shipping this year. They require servicing which is another $200. If the deck has recently been serviced by a known guru with the caps replaced and all then $500-$600 would be my range. Regarding those two auctions, the reason they were low was a combination of factors including low seller feedback, poor descriptions/pictures and luck. I bought them on the assumption that they would require servicing so my main criteria was that the units were operational. Dorian Miami, FL -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of David Brabec Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 3:57 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [SPAM] [naktalk] Supernormal Naks...I'd Like Three! There really isn't much to it - Nakamichi, like any company, has tolerances which allow them to get a unit out the door faster. It's quicker to adjust something to "close enough" than to "perfect or as good as I can get it". Having your deck aligned by a pro (I am NOT a pro - I am still learning WAY too much!) will be no different - the deck will likely be returned to you in better alignment than it was from the factory. There are many small things that can be done to improve performance - the biggest, assuming everything is physically and electrically okay - is matching the bias to the tape. This can be as easy as front panel controls (the ZX-9/7) if there are one for each channel - or, taking the cover off and adjusting each channel internally because there is no control or only one on the outside. It isn't magic, by any means, and in all likelihood, most ears won't tell much of a difference, if any at all (especially as we age.sigh.) Sorry if it sounded like I was doing something out of the ordinary (there are some on the board that do!) - but, it's basically just a really precise alignment - nothing that any tech couldn't do (and probably quicker than me to boot!). There are a few other things - like cold solder joints and such, but only done on an as needed basis. Some Naks are known to have "orange cap disease" (bad orange capacitors) and they will need replacing - so far, I have been fortunate. The 680 series is highly regarded - I don't own one, so will leave opinion off. May be difficult to find a really good one at $200 though. Bargains can still be had (I've been lucky) but sometimes, if it doesn't seem right, it isn't. The ZX-9 is one of the best produced in many peoples opinion. I own a ZX-7 (lacks the direct drive of the ZX-9) and it's a wonderful deck. The controls on the front basically allow the user to align level and bias to a level that would have required opening the cover on other decks. It is a joy to use, and the sound is simply stunning. $600 doesn't seem outrageous as long as the deck is in great shape - and, if the deck is flawless or nearly so, it's a bargain I looked at the ad and looks pretty good. The condition 7/10 sounds a little rough - but after looking at what 7/10 is supposed to be, it doesn't sound bad at all. They can be had a little cheaper - but, you never know about what you are getting. Would like to see the paperwork for the tune-up - or know what was done and by who. Hard to say "snatch it" when a better one may come down the road a week from now, and for less money - but, this doesn't seem like a bad deal either. If I were looking for a ZX-9, I would consider it. (How's that for a non-commital, don't blame me if it's junk reply? ) You spends your money - you takes your chance. Now, if I were spending YOUR money...well... ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Apr 18 00:31:48 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 04:01:48 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Supernormal Naks...I Message-ID: <20030417223148.078B711491B@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Apr 18 01:52:28 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 00:52:28 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Supernormal Naks...I'd Like Three! In-Reply-To: <000301c30527$311614e0$9501010a@ddyer1> Message-ID: <000001c3053c$67472bc0$fd62893e@oemcomputer> As some of you know, I already have a ZX9, and not just a ZX9 but one that has been modified by Tom van der Hoff. So, I don't know what I normal ZX9 sounds like, I CAN tell you, to my subjective ear, it licks my Pioneer CT-S830S 99% of the time and it also EASILY licked my ReVox B215 Mk 1 before the B215 went in for service (but then, the Pioneer beat it, too.) The ReVox be coming home quite soon, serviced and fitted with new capstan bearings and one new capstan motor, by Brian Reeves, a ReVox specialist engineer based about an hour's drive from my home. I am also expecting delivery of Kannan's "spare" CR7 in the next few weeks .... super test coming up! Pioneer CT-S830S =v= ReVox B215 =v= TvdH ZX9 =v= Kannan-serviced CR7A. And to make the contest more interesting, I'll also be recording onto my Sony 55ES DAT, which I finally got back from Stephen's workshop the other week. (I won't be including in the contest the Sony TCD D3 DAT that Stephen repaired for me because, for 80% of the time, the damned door won't open (hint, hint, Stephen!)and I'm nervous about committing any tapes inside if it lest it refuses to give them back! Which reminds me - has anyone heard from Stephen? I think he's been watching Star Trek and made a pirate copy of a Romulan "cloaking" device ... Stephen "Stealth" Sank, thus known 'cos he can avoid our radar just when you're trying to track him! Gra' > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.471 / Virus Database: 269 - Release Date: 10/04/03 From ti at amb.org Fri Apr 18 01:51:57 2003 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 16:51:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Supernormal Naks...I In-Reply-To: <20030417223148.078B711491B@webmail.vsnl.com> from "kannan_s@vsnl.com" at Apr 18, 2003 04:01:48 AM Message-ID: <200304172351.XAA19111@amb.org> Hi all, I am new to this forum and since the current naktalk archives doesn't go very far back, please pardon me if this is a topic that has been beaten to death... I have read something about bad "orange caps" in Nakamichis, does this apply to Dragons? What happens when these caps fail? I have just acquired a used Dragon and am curious whether this problem is going to happen (or has happened). How does one know whether it has been fixed in a particular deck of unknown history? Thanks in advance. -Ti -- /// Ti Kan Vorsprung durch Technik /// AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA /// ti at amb.org ////// http://www.amb.org/ti/ /// From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Apr 18 04:36:27 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 22:36:27 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Supernormal Naks...I References: <200304172351.XAA19111@amb.org> Message-ID: <3E9F64AB.9DB087BC@rcn.com> Ti Kan wrote: > > Hi all, > > I am new to this forum and since the current naktalk archives doesn't > go very far back, please pardon me if this is a topic that has been > beaten to death... > > I have read something about bad "orange caps" in Nakamichis, does this > apply to Dragons? What happens when these caps fail? These are used in most Nak models. I am not sure about the Dragon. I know for sure they are present in the MR-1, BX-300 and CR5/7. Kannan has written an article, describing the caps and providing instructions on how to replace them. I think it is inaccessible and will remain so until Wouter re-enables access to his support site. > I have just acquired a used Dragon and am curious whether this problem > is going to happen (or has happened). How does one know whether > it has been fixed in a particular deck of unknown history? Just open the deck and look at the PCBs. The orange caps are small film dipped capacitors. They tend to fail after several years, causing failures of the deck. Based on postings, I understand the first victim is usually the erase/bias oscillator. I wouldn't replace orange caps indiscriminately, unless I was upgrading a deck from top to bottom. -- Ron > Thanks in advance. > > -Ti > -- > /// Ti Kan Vorsprung durch Technik > /// AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA > /// ti at amb.org > ////// http://www.amb.org/ti/ > /// > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Apr 18 05:25:33 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 23:25:33 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Sankyo capstan motor Message-ID: <3E9F702D.D190FA5C@rcn.com> This may be of interest to the hackers among us. As you know, service manuals of Naks that use the Sankyo transport (CR, BX, MR-1, RX-202, etc.) show the capstan motor schematic diagram, but not the PCB layout. Personally, I find it easier to work on a circuit when a parts layout drawing is available (especially on this one, where the capacitors and resistors look exactly alike), so I made one. I removed the PCB and scanned it. I then added part designations, thus making a poor man's PCB layout drawing. In the process, I even found what I think are errors in the schematic (of course, I was working with a MR-1 PCB and BX-300 schematic, so the 'errors' could be an intentional modification). If anyone wants the PCB scans, just let me know and I will email them to you (be aware that the files are fairly large -- about 1.5MB apiece). The drawings with part designation markings cannot be scanned, but I will be happy to snail-mail a copy to anyone that wants it. -- Ron From ti at amb.org Fri Apr 18 05:48:25 2003 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 20:48:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon common problems? Message-ID: <200304180348.DAA19682@amb.org> Thanks for the tip on the orange caps. I have more Dragon questions... Aside the orange caps, are there any other common problem areas with the Dragon that I should be aware of? Also, is there a way to determine the manufacturing date (or at least the year) from the serial number? -Ti -- /// Ti Kan Vorsprung durch Technik /// AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA /// ti at amb.org ////// http://www.amb.org/ti/ /// From matoolz2 at email.msn.com Fri Apr 18 06:17:36 2003 From: matoolz2 at email.msn.com (matoolz2) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 00:17:36 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] replacing voltage meter bulbs in a Nakamichi 600 Message-ID: <001801c30561$7431e760$80c0c943@hppav> I just bought a Nakamichi 600 cassette deck on ebay and the only problem it has is the meter bulbs are burnt out. I have`nt received the deck yet so I have`nt had a chance to look at it to tell what I might have to do to replace them so I thought I`d ask. I would assume the back would come off easily and the bulbs would be easily accessible to be replaced. What type of bulbs would I need? I have an old Sharp RT-1165 that I use for parts and both of its meters light when its plugged up and poewered on. Would these bulbs do the job? To answer please e-mail me at matoolz2 at msn.com . Thanks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Apr 18 07:43:20 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 11:13:20 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon common problems? Message-ID: <20030418054320.592CC1149D5@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Apr 18 12:32:22 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 12:32:22 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] SPAM / TRASH TRANSMISSION WARNING Message-ID: Hi all, A selection of west-African mendicants with hard-luck/get rich quick/help-me-just-a-little-and-you'll-inherit-the-eath messages are coming over our subscription group. Here in South Africa we are used to and have heard all the variations of this sort of twaddle -, invariably from central and west Africa. Wouter, would you do the necessary?? (I am immune to the content and have "afrocentric" patience for this, but I'm sure that the rest of our group will be a bit annoyed). Best to all for a great Easter!! Marc The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From marcdenis at iquebec.com Fri Apr 18 12:42:28 2003 From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 06:42:28 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon common problems? In-Reply-To: <200304180348.DAA19682@amb.org> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20030418055627.0324de60@pop.iquebec.com> At 20:48 2003/04/17 -0700, you wrote: >Also, is there a way to determine the manufacturing date (or at least >the year) from the serial number? From what I remember, many (most?) Nakamichi models have a sticker in the back stating month and year of manufacture clearly spelled out (e.g. "November 1991"). There may be a duplicate of this sticker under the lid but I am not sure at all. Serial number won't tell you anything directly about manufacturing date. Typically, serial number looks like this: V301 01234 where V301 means something like "BX-100 North American version" and 01234 is a sequential number (i.e. the 1234th unit of that model ever manufactured). By the way, since this is my first post and I have only subscribed to this list for a few days, I'll give some of my backgroung with regards to Nakamichi. I was a sales rep for Nakamichi Canada in the province of Quebec for nearly 15 years until they closed down this division in December 1999. I still own the following Nak pieces: 1000ZXL with NR-100, T-100 audio analyzer, CDPlayer1 and RE-2. Guess I know a few things about Nak and will try to help where I can. Bear in mind that I was a sales guy, not a service guy. No direct questions in email, please. The purpose of a mailing list is to increase the knowledge of everyone by sharing openly. Cheers! -Marc From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Apr 18 22:35:00 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 02:05:00 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Orange Cap replacement manual Message-ID: <20030418203500.64AD6114924@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From timbarrett at cox.net Sat Apr 19 06:05:47 2003 From: timbarrett at cox.net (timbarrett at cox.net) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 00:05:47 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] service manual Message-ID: <3EA092DB.32595.152EB4E@localhost> I finally spent some quality time with my scanner, and have scanned in a service manual that I'd like to upload. It is in the form of one 4.5 meg pdf file, but can be broken down quite easily into smaller bits. In all of the goings on, I have lost track of what one needs to to when one wishes to upload a service manual. Can someone refresh my memory, please? Tim From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Apr 19 15:28:09 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 09:28:09 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] service manual References: <3EA092DB.32595.152EB4E@localhost> Message-ID: <3EA14EE9.44EFB5A6@rcn.com> timbarrett at cox.net wrote: > > I finally spent some quality time with my scanner, and have scanned in a > service manual that I'd like to upload. It is in the form of one 4.5 meg > pdf file, but can be broken down quite easily into smaller bits. > > In all of the goings on, I have lost track of what one needs to to when > one wishes to upload a service manual. Can someone refresh my > memory, please? > > Tim Tim, What Nak model is it? I'd love to have the manuals for the BX-100 and MR-1. TIA, -- Ron From timbarrett at cox.net Sat Apr 19 16:46:16 2003 From: timbarrett at cox.net (timbarrett at cox.net) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 10:46:16 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] service manual In-Reply-To: <3EA14EE9.44EFB5A6@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3EA128F8.23321.39D6332@localhost> Ron- Sorry, it's for the 481, the only Nak service manual I possess. Tim On 19 Apr 2003 at 9:28, Ron wrote: > timbarrett at cox.net wrote: > > > > I finally spent some quality time with my scanner, and have scanned > > in a service manual that I'd like to upload. It is in the form of > > one 4.5 meg pdf file, but can be broken down quite easily into > > smaller bits. > > > > In all of the goings on, I have lost track of what one needs to to > > when one wishes to upload a service manual. Can someone refresh my > > memory, please? > > > > Tim > > Tim, What Nak model is it? I'd love to have the manuals > for the BX-100 and MR-1. > > TIA, > > -- Ron > > ========-------------------------------------------------------------- > ----========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========-------------------------------------------------------------- > ----========= From mithao at hotmail.com Sat Apr 19 18:37:08 2003 From: mithao at hotmail.com (Minh Pham) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 16:37:08 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] service manual Message-ID: Hi; I am looking for the 480 manual also. Thanks. Minnie >From: Ron >Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] service manual >Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 09:28:09 -0400 > >timbarrett at cox.net wrote: > > > > I finally spent some quality time with my scanner, and have scanned in a > > service manual that I'd like to upload. It is in the form of one 4.5 >meg > > pdf file, but can be broken down quite easily into smaller bits. > > > > In all of the goings on, I have lost track of what one needs to to when > > one wishes to upload a service manual. Can someone refresh my > > memory, please? > > > > Tim > >Tim, What Nak model is it? I'd love to have the manuals >for the BX-100 and MR-1. > >TIA, > >-- Ron > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From christos at ISI.EDU Sat Apr 19 21:16:46 2003 From: christos at ISI.EDU (Christos Papadopoulos) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 12:16:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Owner's manuals on line? Message-ID: <200304191916.h3JJGkA11779@boreas.isi.edu> Hi, I recently got a 482 tape deck and an AV1 receiver. I don't have manuals for either of them. Are they available somewhere on line? Also, is there a FAQ for this list? Thanks, Christos. From dondurham at earthlink.net Sat Apr 19 22:10:15 2003 From: dondurham at earthlink.net (Don Durham) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 15:10:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: [Service Manual (Ron)] In-Reply-To: <200304191332.h3JDWVP05233@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: > > Tim, What Nak model is it? I'd love to have the manuals > for the BX-100 and MR-1. > > TIA, > > -- Ron Ron, do you have an MR-1, and/or do you feel like giving a brief perspective on its relative qualities based on your experience? I don't feel as 'close' to the MR-1 as I do to most other Naks. Thank you, Don From marcdenis at iquebec.com Sat Apr 19 23:54:30 2003 From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 17:54:30 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: [Service Manual (Ron)] In-Reply-To: References: <200304191332.h3JDWVP05233@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20030419174222.02dc7eb0@pop.iquebec.com> At 15:10 2003/04/19 -0500, you wrote: >>Tim, What Nak model is it? I'd love to have the manuals >>for the BX-100 and MR-1. >> >>TIA, >> >>-- Ron > >Ron, do you have an MR-1, and/or do you feel like giving a brief >perspective on its relative qualities based on your experience? I don't >feel as 'close' to the MR-1 as I do to most other Naks. > >Thank you, >Don The MR-1 is essentially a BX-300 set in a standard rackmount chassis and with balanced inputs/outputs added. It was intended for professional use. From khmerideth at anderson.edu Sun Apr 20 07:26:07 2003 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 00:26:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sankyo capstan motor Message-ID: Ron, Since I have a couple MR-1's, I'd be interested in this. How should I send payment, and how much, for the layout with parts designation? Kent Merideth Central Indiana >>> Ron 04/17/03 10:25PM >>> This may be of interest to the hackers among us. As you know, service manuals of Naks that use the Sankyo transport (CR, BX, MR-1, RX-202, etc.) show the capstan motor schematic diagram, but not the PCB layout. Personally, I find it easier to work on a circuit when a parts layout drawing is available (especially on this one, where the capacitors and resistors look exactly alike), so I made one. I removed the PCB and scanned it. I then added part designations, thus making a poor man's PCB layout drawing. In the process, I even found what I think are errors in the schematic (of course, I was working with a MR-1 PCB and BX-300 schematic, so the 'errors' could be an intentional modification). If anyone wants the PCB scans, just let me know and I will email them to you (be aware that the files are fairly large -- about 1.5MB apiece). The drawings with part designation markings cannot be scanned, but I will be happy to snail-mail a copy to anyone that wants it. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From blueswapper at angelfire.com Sun Apr 20 15:59:48 2003 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 06:59:48 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak 550 (Versatile Stereo Cassette System) Message-ID: Finally got myself a Nak 550, and its in great shape. Beautiful design, very functional and sturdy. One thing I'm searching for now is a heavy-duty shoulder strap, something I believe will need to be authentic Nakamichi issue. I'm wondering if anyone has info or ideas on how I can obtain a suitable shoulder strap. I suppose that the best approach will be to lurk over the ebay.com auctions and find a remnants or fixer 550 w/ stap and extras. Anyone who might have advice beyond ebay.com, kindly reply. Oh, and I will be seeking a set of Nak CM-100 microphones in the near future. Anyone have some of those to offer for sale? Regards, K.J. Bleus Madison, Wisc USA blueswapper@ angelfire.com http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nak550a.html --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper ____________________________________________________________ Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Apr 20 16:52:18 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 10:52:18 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: [Service Manual (Ron)] References: Message-ID: <3EA2B422.8716C8E1@rcn.com> Don Durham wrote: > > > > > Tim, What Nak model is it? I'd love to have the manuals > > for the BX-100 and MR-1. > > > > TIA, > > > > -- Ron > > Ron, do you have an MR-1, and/or do you feel like giving a brief > perspective on its relative qualities based on your experience? I don't > feel as 'close' to the MR-1 as I do to most other Naks. > > Thank you, > Don Like Marc said, this is a BX-300, modified for professional use. Based on the Sankyo transport, 3 heads, 3 motors. Pitch control (which many people love dearly). No bias adjustment (which many people hate :-) ). Performance wise, on a side-by-side comparison with a CR-7, the latter is audibly better, but not by that much. I'd say it's on par, more or less, with the 582 or 600 series. The MR-1 is a very reasonable choice for the middle of the road audiophile, that wants a better cassette deck but isn't willing to pay for a CR-7, Dragon or 1000ZXL. -- Ron From dbrabec at satx.rr.com Tue Apr 22 04:01:12 2003 From: dbrabec at satx.rr.com (David Brabec) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 21:01:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Alignment Question / Problem Message-ID: <000001c30873$0cfa7e30$2a93a018@scorpionmunchie> Had no reason to question that my ZX-7 is mechanically aligned correctly, and, for at least most things - electrically fine. Plays back factory tapes, as well as tapes recorded on my other decks flawlessly. So, decided to make sure that the recording electronics were right, as it has always recorded well, but a little dull. Performed steps 2 and 3 - tone level calibration and meter level calibration and then repeated tone level calibration all according to the manual. Aligned EXACTLY to what is printed - and deck still records dull. To make a good recording with correct highs I have to tweak the bias control to where - if I check it by performing alignment - the meters show +3dB or so (not 0 as it should be). Step 2 - Tone Calibration says 20db lower for the 15Khz - my reading at the output jacks is 1.007V (10007mv). 20 dB lower than that is .1007 (round to .101) ? That's what I used. Step 3 - Meter Level Calibration - 90mv - 1.3dB is 77.5mv, 90mv -.5dB is 84.91mv and 9mv is 8.491mv (although I cheated - used the line out at 90mv -.5dB and subtracted 20dB). (8.491 is such a low value and at high freq - my meter..well.my VTVM died.!!!!, so, have to use my multimeter, although it has a high input impedence!). So, is it my math?? Was thinking it could be head wear - there is a little noted - but then again, it plays back perfectly - and the wear noted is on the play head, not the record head. Also, when aligning by doing the bias cal - it is reading off the tape, right? So, figure it's my math (my field is communication electronics - very used to dB referenced to 600ohms where a 10 dB drop is dividing by 10 - a 20 dB drop is dividing by 100). It's the math - I hope..right??? Any input greatly appreciated!!!! Dave From dbrabec at satx.rr.com Tue Apr 22 04:05:57 2003 From: dbrabec at satx.rr.com (David Brabec) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 21:05:57 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Alignment Question / Problem Message-ID: <000101c30873$ba100860$2a93a018@scorpionmunchie> Oh, and just to add - also, have performed record head height and alignment. When I align the deck - and get the center green light - it IS right (just wanted to add, cause I know this is the obvious answer ). Thanks! I love this place!!!!! Dave From bruce.embry at worldnet.att.net Tue Apr 22 05:20:11 2003 From: bruce.embry at worldnet.att.net (Bruce Embry) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 23:20:11 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Alignment Question / Problem References: <000101c30873$ba100860$2a93a018@scorpionmunchie> Message-ID: <001b01c3087e$1619d8c0$15295d0c@workj23t0maj37> Hi, I had this same problem with a Teac A-450 unit back in the 70's. Well I sold the unit for $150 and found out later that all that it need was to have the HEAD demagitize. I still kicking myself after 25 years. I think that if you demag the heads on the deck you wil find a big differance. Sincerely, Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Brabec" To: Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 10:05 PM Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Alignment Question / Problem > Oh, and just to add - also, have performed record head height > and alignment. When I align the deck - and get the center green light - > it IS right (just wanted to add, cause I know this is the obvious answer > ). > > Thanks! I love this place!!!!! > > Dave > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From Jo2jo64 at aol.com Tue Apr 22 09:10:26 2003 From: Jo2jo64 at aol.com (Jo2jo64 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 03:10:26 EDT Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A - STUCK IN THE MIDDLE! Message-ID: Hello everyone: I am fairly new here and have been avidly watching an incredible amount of information passing before my eyes, so I though I would ask a question. "What is making my CR-7A stop in the middle of the tape whether in the recording or the playback mode? I know it has to do with tension: one spool pulls more or less than the other." How serious is this problem that it may require servicing by an authorized dealer or can it be adjusted by a local tech and at what cost?. I am far away from the known gurus so it may cost me a fortune just for shipping alone. I bought the machine a while back. Everything else meets or exceeds my expectations. The machine is just a dream come true. Please advice. I'm stuck in the middle! Thanks, Jose -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marcdenis at iquebec.com Tue Apr 22 16:07:33 2003 From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 10:07:33 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A - STUCK IN THE MIDDLE! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20030422093753.02727c80@pop.iquebec.com> At 03:10 2003/04/22 -0400, you wrote: >Hello everyone: > >I am fairly new here and have been avidly watching an incredible amount of >information passing before my eyes, so I though I would ask a question. I am fairly new here too and I am sure this has been answered before since this is a common problem with most Nakamichi decks and many other brands. Anyway, here is my way to explain it. >"What is making my CR-7A stop in the middle of the tape whether in the >recording or the playback mode? I know it has to do with tension: one >spool pulls more or less than the other." If you were to look at your take-up spool when the problem happens, you would notice that it would have stopped turning for a second or so before the machine got into Stop mode by itself. This is caused by wear/dryness/aging of the idler pulley. This pulley (call it a rubber wheel if you like) acts as a clutch between the spool motor and your take-up spool. When the pulley gets old, it becomes too slippery causing the take-up spool not to have enough torque to keep on turning as the take-up spool fills up with tape and friction/weight increase on the take-up side inside the cassette housing. When the take-up spoll stops for a second because of this lack of torque, the auto-stop circuitry of your tape deck operates to prevent your machine from chewing up your precious tape. >How serious is this problem that it may require servicing by an authorized >dealer or can it be adjusted by a local tech and at what cost?. I am far >away from the known gurus so it may cost me a fortune just for shipping alone. In my view, your machine is not really broken. It requires routine maintenance just like even the most sophisticated automobiles require to have their fan belt and the likes replaced from time to time. Rubber parts (idler pulleys and belts) are inexpensive so you might as well change them all at once since the labor to get there is not. I am not sure how much time is required to do the job on a CR-7 but, IMHO, it can be done in an hour or less on many models. I am sure there are qualified techs here that will be able to give you a more precise estimate. I hope this helps. Regards, -Marc >I bought the machine a while back. Everything else meets or exceeds my >expectations. The machine is just a dream come true. > >Please advice. I'm stuck in the middle! > >Thanks, > >Jose >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Apr 22 17:01:13 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 11:01:13 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A - STUCK IN THE MIDDLE! References: <4.3.2.7.2.20030422093753.02727c80@pop.iquebec.com> Message-ID: <3EA55939.92AD6735@rcn.com> As Marc said, this could be an idler problem (assuming your CR-7 does not have the gear upgrade). However, if the deck fast forwards and rewinds well, it is unlikely this is the reason. To ascertain, you have to measure the take-up torque. In the absence of the required tool, put the deck in Play mode with no cassette in the well and lightly put your finger on the take up hub. With experience, you can tell whether take-up torque is in the ball park. If the CR-7 stops consistently, you can do as Marc suggests and just watch it to see whether the take-up hub briefly stops just before the deck drops into the Stop mode. If you find that the idler is the problem, you can try cleaning or replacing the rubber tire. There have been several discussions here in the past on how to do this. It does require better than average mechanical dexterity but is not rocket science. Another (quite remote) possibility is a dirty take up pinch roller or a sticking pinch roller arm. It seldom needs replacement. Cleaning and/or lubrication is far easier than cleaning the idler and should be done on a regular basis (once every year or two), anyway. A third possibility is a faulty speed sensor. I would suspect this if you verify that the tape does not develop slack inside the cassette just before the deck drops into the Stop mode. Dealing with this would be a job for a tech. Diagnosis requires lab equipment and replacing it involves taking the transport apart. -- Ron Marc Denis wrote: > > At 03:10 2003/04/22 -0400, you wrote: > >Hello everyone: > > > >I am fairly new here and have been avidly watching an incredible amount of > >information passing before my eyes, so I though I would ask a question. > > I am fairly new here too and I am sure this has been answered before since > this is a common problem with most Nakamichi decks and many other brands. > Anyway, here is my way to explain it. > > >"What is making my CR-7A stop in the middle of the tape whether in the > >recording or the playback mode? I know it has to do with tension: one > >spool pulls more or less than the other." > > If you were to look at your take-up spool when the problem happens, you > would notice that it would have stopped turning for a second or so before > the machine got into Stop mode by itself. This is caused by > wear/dryness/aging of the idler pulley. This pulley (call it a rubber wheel > if you like) acts as a clutch between the spool motor and your take-up > spool. When the pulley gets old, it becomes too slippery causing the > take-up spool not to have enough torque to keep on turning as the take-up > spool fills up with tape and friction/weight increase on the take-up side > inside the cassette housing. When the take-up spoll stops for a second > because of this lack of torque, the auto-stop circuitry of your tape deck > operates to prevent your machine from chewing up your precious tape. > > >How serious is this problem that it may require servicing by an authorized > >dealer or can it be adjusted by a local tech and at what cost?. I am far > >away from the known gurus so it may cost me a fortune just for shipping alone. > > In my view, your machine is not really broken. It requires routine > maintenance just like even the most sophisticated automobiles require to > have their fan belt and the likes replaced from time to time. Rubber parts > (idler pulleys and belts) are inexpensive so you might as well change them > all at once since the labor to get there is not. I am not sure how much > time is required to do the job on a CR-7 but, IMHO, it can be done in an > hour or less on many models. I am sure there are qualified techs here that > will be able to give you a more precise estimate. > > I hope this helps. > > Regards, > > -Marc > > >I bought the machine a while back. Everything else meets or exceeds my > >expectations. The machine is just a dream come true. > > > >Please advice. I'm stuck in the middle! > > > >Thanks, > > > >Jose From dondurham at earthlink.net Tue Apr 22 18:16:22 2003 From: dondurham at earthlink.net (Don Durham) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 11:16:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] MR-1, It's Relative Place In-Reply-To: <200304221506.h3MF62P19943@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: I'm just putting these postings from Marc D and Ron to my question under an 'MR-1' subject heading for the sake of subject-sorted archive searching. Thanks M and R. >> Ron, do you have an MR-1, and/or do you feel like giving a brief >> perspective on its relative qualities based on your experience? I >> don't >> feel as 'close' to the MR-1 as I do to most other Naks. >> >> Thank you, >> Don > > The MR-1 is essentially a BX-300 set in a standard rackmount chassis > and > with balanced inputs/outputs added. It was intended for professional > use. > > > Like Marc said, this is a BX-300, modified for > professional use. Based on the Sankyo transport, > 3 heads, 3 motors. Pitch control (which many > people love dearly). No bias adjustment (which > many people hate :-) ). > > Performance wise, on a side-by-side comparison > with a CR-7, the latter is audibly better, but > not by that much. I'd say it's on par, more or > less, with the 582 or 600 series. > > The MR-1 is a very reasonable choice for the > middle of the road audiophile, that wants a > better cassette deck but isn't willing to pay > for a CR-7, Dragon or 1000ZXL. > > -- Ron > From BADANTH at aol.com Tue Apr 22 19:55:24 2003 From: BADANTH at aol.com (BADANTH at aol.com) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 13:55:24 EDT Subject: [naktalk] 680 Needs Repair Questions Message-ID: <187.18b797fb.2bd6dc0c@aol.com> I came across a 680 deck that is in need of some repair and wondered how much it would cost to fix. I was told it has had a recent tune up that included cleaning/ demagnetizing the heads, correcting a slow speed problem on the capstan motor, and checking the other circuits to be sure that all is operating OK. I was also told that it still has a capstan problem that involves the RH pinch roller ass'y. It hangs up due to old hardened lubricant. They say the ass'y needs to be removed, cleaned and re-lubed. How much would it take to fix the trouble? Thanks, Anthony -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Apr 22 22:12:20 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 16:12:20 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 680 Needs Repair Questions References: <187.18b797fb.2bd6dc0c@aol.com> Message-ID: <3EA5A224.F40E184A@rcn.com> BADANTH at AOL.COM wrote: > > I came across a 680 deck that is in need of some repair and wondered how > much it would cost to fix. I was told it has had a recent tune up that > included cleaning/ demagnetizing the heads, correcting a slow speed problem > on the capstan motor, and checking the other circuits to be sure that all is > operating OK. I was also told that > it still has a capstan problem that involves the RH pinch roller ass'y. It > hangs up due to old hardened lubricant. They say the ass'y needs to be > removed, cleaned and re-lubed. How much would it take to fix the trouble? > > Thanks, > Anthony Never did this on a 680. In all decks I am familiar with, only very minor dismantling is required. Shouldn't take more than about half an hour. Figure it out... -- Ron From m.pelikan at worldnet.att.net Tue Apr 22 22:23:22 2003 From: m.pelikan at worldnet.att.net (Michael P. Pelikan) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 16:23:22 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] test tone sources - ideal and otherwise... Message-ID: Hello - I'd be very interested in getting the thoughts of the list on the following question: What would you advise as a source for test tones, assuming that a nice HP test tone generator is not sitting on my bench. One sees CDs available with various test tones. One also sees computer software that'll generate what you need & send it out the soundcard. So far I've made do with the fabled white (well, white-ish, anyway) noise avaialable on the FM & shortwave bands and on music recordings exhibiting characteristics I'm trying to shoot for... Thanks in advance for any thoughts you can share about calibration outside of a workshop environment. Many thanks in advance, Michael Pelikan State College, PA From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Apr 22 23:08:42 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:08:42 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] test tone sources - ideal and otherwise... References: Message-ID: <3EA5AF5A.D141B8A6@rcn.com> "Michael P. Pelikan" wrote: > > Hello - > > I'd be very interested in getting the thoughts of the list on the following > question: What would you advise as a source for test tones, assuming that a > nice HP test tone generator is not sitting on my bench. > > One sees CDs available with various test tones. One also sees computer > software that'll generate what you need & send it out the soundcard. > > So far I've made do with the fabled white (well, white-ish, anyway) noise > avaialable on the FM & shortwave bands and on music recordings exhibiting > characteristics I'm trying to shoot for... > > Thanks in advance for any thoughts you can share about calibration outside > of a workshop environment. > > Many thanks in advance, > > Michael Pelikan > State College, PA > Many modern digital multimeters offer a test tone output, usually a fixed level square wave, at certain specific discrete frequencies. Many of them also offer a frequency counter function. Audio generators are available on ebay. I recently got a vintage low distortion sine wave generator, 1Hz to 110KHz for about $20. Sine/square wave generators go for not much more. If one is technically inclined, it is possible to build a battery powered square/triangular wave oscillator at very low cost, from scratch. There are several kits on the market, starting with basic, limited capability 'mini kits' for $15 or so, up to fairly powerful, semi-professional sine/square generator for $169.95 (kit. $100 more for the factory assembled version). -- Ron From timbarrett at cox.net Wed Apr 23 02:02:06 2003 From: timbarrett at cox.net (timbarrett at cox.net) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 20:02:06 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Alignment Question / Problem In-Reply-To: <000101c30873$ba100860$2a93a018@scorpionmunchie> Message-ID: <3EA59FBE.14703.67E131@localhost> David- On my ZX-7 the record head azimuth 'center alignment' light is red, the two 'out of alignment' lights are green. Is yours different, did you make a slip of the fingers when typing this, or are you not aligning your head properly? tim On 21 Apr 2003 at 21:05, David Brabec wrote: > Oh, and just to add - also, have performed record head height > and alignment. When I align the deck - and get the center green light > - it IS right (just wanted to add, cause I know this is the obvious > answer ). > > Thanks! I love this place!!!!! > > Dave > > > ========-------------------------------------------------------------- > ----========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========-------------------------------------------------------------- > ----========= From dbrabec at satx.rr.com Wed Apr 23 03:49:24 2003 From: dbrabec at satx.rr.com (David Brabec) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 20:49:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Alignment Question / Problem - Fixed Message-ID: <000001c3093a$939dc790$2a93a018@scorpionmunchie> No, you're right Tim, I typed the wrong colors - center light is red. As it turns out - the playback head was out of alignment. Realigned playback head az / height, then aligned record head az and height - and, it's a VERY happy deck now. Hooked it up to my audio software - and it's 20-22K within just a bit over 1dB (averaging 40 readings - pretty great software!) Tape recorded on the deck sounds perfect on my other decks now too. Dave Tim Wrote: David- On my ZX-7 the record head azimuth 'center alignment' light is red, the two 'out of alignment' lights are green. Is yours different, did you make a slip of the fingers when typing this, or are you not aligning your head properly? tim From dbrabec at satx.rr.com Wed Apr 23 03:51:37 2003 From: dbrabec at satx.rr.com (David Brabec) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 20:51:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] My Best Buy Has Cassettes On Clearance! Message-ID: <000101c3093a$e2fcb030$2a93a018@scorpionmunchie> Just wanted to let you folks know - you may want to check your Best Buy if you have one. Maxell XLII 90 5 packs - $4.99 - I bought 4, but...okay, I left other people some (softie!). Grab em people!!!! From enoyes at snet.net Wed Apr 23 04:48:16 2003 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 22:48:16 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 680 Needs Repair Questions References: <187.18b797fb.2bd6dc0c@aol.com> <3EA5A224.F40E184A@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3EA5FEF0.1030502@snet.net> Anthony, DO NOT ATTEMPT TO DISMANTLE THE CAPSTAN ARMS ON ANY NAK THAT USES THE TRANSPORT THAT IS SHARED WITH THE 680 UNLESS YOU HAVE THE SPECIFIC JIGS AND A GOOD BIT OF EXPERIENCE. Unless the pinch roller arm is perfectly aligned, the transport will be guaranteed to at least skew the tape badly if not simply eat it worse than the worst $30 car deck you could imagine. Removal and cleaning of the pinch roller arm is a job left for the experienced pro only (or Salim who seems to have magical abilities with these things). Having said that, I have had good success with moderately hardened grease by doing the following. If you manually move the pinch roller up and down while pushing it toward the back of the cassette well, you will notice that there is a bit of travel up and down the shaft that the arm is attached to. This is due to the fact that the pinch roller arm is spring loaded with the spring generally pushing it out to the set point (which you never want to try adjusting). The idea is to get the arm as far down the shaft as possible and apply a small amount of solvent to the space between the adjustment nut and the pinch roller arm. This should be done with the deck with the deck lying face up so that gravity will help the solvent seep down the length of the shaft. Then move the arm up and down while also working it front to back. Essentially, you are trying to work the solvent into the pin to break down the grease. It may take between 3 and 10 tries before you really get it cleared up, but usually will do the job in the end if the grease isn't too badly hardened. Just be very careful of nearby parts or use something that won't harm plastic. Good luck. Ed Ron wrote: >BADANTH at AOL.COM wrote: > > >>I came across a 680 deck that is in need of some repair and wondered how >>much it would cost to fix. I was told it has had a recent tune up that >>included cleaning/ demagnetizing the heads, correcting a slow speed problem >>on the capstan motor, and checking the other circuits to be sure that all is >>operating OK. I was also told that >>it still has a capstan problem that involves the RH pinch roller ass'y. It >>hangs up due to old hardened lubricant. They say the ass'y needs to be >>removed, cleaned and re-lubed. How much would it take to fix the trouble? >> >>Thanks, >>Anthony >> >> > >Never did this on a 680. In all decks I am familiar with, >only very minor dismantling is required. Shouldn't take >more than about half an hour. Figure it out... > >-- Ron > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From m.pelikan at worldnet.att.net Wed Apr 23 13:49:08 2003 From: m.pelikan at worldnet.att.net (Michael P. Pelikan) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 07:49:08 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Alignment Question / Problem - Fixed In-Reply-To: <000001c3093a$939dc790$2a93a018@scorpionmunchie> Message-ID: Hi - Can you name & describe this software - and where to obtain it? Thanks, and good luck with your X-7 - Michael Pelikan -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of David Brabec Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 9:49 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Alignment Question / Problem - Fixed No, you're right Tim, I typed the wrong colors - center light is red. As it turns out - the playback head was out of alignment. Realigned playback head az / height, then aligned record head az and height - and, it's a VERY happy deck now. Hooked it up to my audio software - and it's 20-22K within just a bit over 1dB (averaging 40 readings - pretty great software!) Tape recorded on the deck sounds perfect on my other decks now too. Dave Tim Wrote: David- On my ZX-7 the record head azimuth 'center alignment' light is red, the two 'out of alignment' lights are green. Is yours different, did you make a slip of the fingers when typing this, or are you not aligning your head properly? tim ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From khmerideth at anderson.edu Wed Apr 23 15:10:36 2003 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 08:10:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Maxell XLII tapes @ Terrapin Tapes Message-ID: Hi all, As long as we're talking about good prices on tapes, you can get Maxell XLII 60 for $0.85 each and the 90's are $0.80 each. Check it out at: http://salesassociate.com/ttapes/products.asp?ID=1&Category=1 If that link doesn't work, try: http://ttapes.com/ Haven't purchased any from them for about 3 years, but they gave great service back then. Hopefully, they still do. The only explanation I have for the 60's costing a nickel more than the 90's is most people use the 90's; so the economies of scale apply to yield a lower price on the 90's. Kent Merideth -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Apr 23 16:41:03 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 10:41:03 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 680 Needs Repair Questions References: <187.18b797fb.2bd6dc0c@aol.com> <3EA5A224.F40E184A@rcn.com> <3EA5FEF0.1030502@snet.net> Message-ID: <3EA6A5FF.78C36F29@rcn.com> In light of Ed's post, I need to amplify on my previous answer. I was specifically answering Anthony's question of "How much would it take to fix the trouble?" by outlining the amount of work involved. In no way did I suggest that he take the transport apart himself. In this case, he specified that only the take-up pinch roller was involved and I based my response on that. In general, the take-up pinch roller arm height is not adjustable. For the Sankyo transport, Nakamichi sold a gauge for checking the height. The arm is held in place by an e-clip. If a tech removes the arm and then replaces it without bending or harming anything, there is no real need to check the height again -- it will be close enough to what it was before removal (I have done this several times). If the tech does disturb the arm pivot and needs to check the height, my estimate of the time involved is no longer valid. In the case of the supply pinch roller arm, the story is different. The height *is* adjustable and in the course of removing the arm this adjustment is destroyed. Further, when replacing the arm with a new one, putting it back exactly as it was will *not* yield the correct adjustment, since the new arm may be minutely different. I do not have this expensive Nakamichi gauge. However, I have made a tape traveling gauge from a discarded cassette shell. I used it before and after the pinch roller replacement, to obtain the same traveling height. This method is far from accurate, yet the resulting adjustment turned out to be quite accurate (BTW, it is not very critical). -- Ron Ed Noyes wrote: > > Anthony, > > DO NOT ATTEMPT TO DISMANTLE THE CAPSTAN ARMS ON ANY NAK THAT USES THE > TRANSPORT THAT IS SHARED WITH THE 680 UNLESS YOU HAVE THE SPECIFIC JIGS AND > A GOOD BIT OF EXPERIENCE. Unless the pinch roller arm is perfectly aligned, > the transport will be guaranteed to at least skew the tape badly if not > simply eat it worse than the worst $30 car deck you could imagine. Removal > and cleaning of the pinch roller arm is a job left for the experienced pro > only (or Salim who seems to have magical abilities with these things). > Having said that, I have had good success with moderately hardened grease by > doing the following. If you manually move the pinch roller up and down while > pushing it toward the back of the cassette well, you will notice that there > is a bit of travel up and down the shaft that the arm is attached to. This > is due to the fact that the pinch roller arm is spring loaded with the > spring generally pushing it out to the set point (which you never want to > try adjusting). The idea is to get the arm as far down the shaft as possible > and apply a small amount of solvent to the space between the adjustment nut > and the pinch roller arm. This should be done with the deck with the deck > lying face up so that gravity will help the solvent seep down the length of > the shaft. Then move the arm up and down while also working it front to > back. Essentially, you are trying to work the solvent into the pin to break > down the grease. It may take between 3 and 10 tries before you really get it > cleared up, but usually will do the job in the end if the grease isn't too > badly hardened. Just be very careful of nearby parts or use something that > won't harm plastic. Good luck. > > Ed > > Ron wrote: > > > BADANTH at AOL.COM wrote: > > > > > >> I came across a 680 deck that is in need of some repair and wondered how > >> much it would cost to fix. I was told it has had a recent tune up that > >> included cleaning/ demagnetizing the heads, correcting a slow speed > >> problem > >> on the capstan motor, and checking the other circuits to be sure that > >> all is > >> operating OK. I was also told that > >> it still has a capstan problem that involves the RH pinch roller ass'y. > >> It > >> hangs up due to old hardened lubricant. They say the ass'y needs to be > >> removed, cleaned and re-lubed. How much would it take to fix the > >> trouble? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Anthony > >> > >> > > Never did this on a 680. In all decks I am familiar with, > > only very minor dismantling is required. Shouldn't take > > more than about half an hour. Figure it out... > > > > -- Ron > > > > > From dbrabec at satx.rr.com Wed Apr 23 19:16:24 2003 From: dbrabec at satx.rr.com (David Brabec) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 12:16:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] TrueRTA Software Description / Links as Requested Message-ID: <000101c309bc$16a7c060$2a93a018@scorpionmunchie> Sure thing. It's called TrueRTA. It's available from www.trueaudio.com and the level 1 version is free! (I own (and paid for, even though it is inexpensive for what it is - level 4) It's a real time spectrum analyzer (level 4 is 1/24th octave), dual channel o-scope, trueRMS voltmeter, signal generator (sine, pink noise, and white noise) that hooks up to your computers sound card. It comes pre-set for Soundblaster Live - but it is easy to calibrate for other cards (I have an Audigy). Works terrific - and is supposed to be accurate to 1/20th dB when calibrated (I have NO reason to doubt that - in fact, I think it is probably more accurate than that). For people that do have an audigy, there is a set-up issue - it WON'T work with the VERY simple setup - you will have to change a couple settings - fully documented in this link (which is not referenced on their home page, or support - go figure! http://www.trueaudio.com/downloads/audigy-setup.pdf It also has a "Quick Sweep" function that sends a sweeping test tone through the electronics and then displays the freq. response - but, this doesn't work particularly well (hit and miss) with 3 head cassette decks - because, I think, of the delay between the signal hitting the record head and then being played back at the record head (just like when you switch the tape monitor). The sweep function works perfectly with gear that doesn't have delay - for example - a spectrum analyer, etc. It sends out sine waves up to 22K and the spec analyzer is, again, for level 4, 1/24th octave starting at 10hz and going up to 22K (and, the display is adjustable for freq and level so you can zero in accurately on what you are really wanting to see). Well, that's enough about it - but, guess you can tell I'm pleased. Sure, I have an o-scope, signal generator, and volmeter seperately - but this is MUCH easier - and 1/20th dB (or better) accuracy is - well, pretty darn good by any standard. May want to try the Level 1 - that's what I did - it's free - and there is nothing to lose. I bought Level 4 within a day (cause I liked Level 1 so much). Level 1 is somewhat limited - but it is still functional - and people may find no reason to ever upgrade and spend money. Level 4 (the highest) is only $99.95 if a person decided to go "full tilt" Can't hurt to check it out! Dave Michael wrote: Hi - Can you name & describe this software - and where to obtain it? Thanks, and good luck with your X-7 - Michael Pelikan -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of David Brabec Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 9:49 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Alignment Question / Problem - Fixed No, you're right Tim, I typed the wrong colors - center light is red. As it turns out - the playback head was out of alignment. Realigned playback head az / height, then aligned record head az and height - and, it's a VERY happy deck now. Hooked it up to my audio software - and it's 20-22K within just a bit over 1dB (averaging 40 readings - pretty great software!) Tape recorded on the deck sounds perfect on my other decks now too. Dave From timbarrett at cox.net Wed Apr 23 22:22:08 2003 From: timbarrett at cox.net (timbarrett at cox.net) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 16:22:08 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] TrueRTA Software Description / Links as Requested In-Reply-To: <000101c309bc$16a7c060$2a93a018@scorpionmunchie> Message-ID: <3EA6BDB0.25202.2CEE3A@localhost> David - Where do you pick off the L and R channel analog output signal from your Audigy? I'm using an Audigy with the remote junction box, and it has optical, spdif, and midi ins and outs, but the only analog connectios are line level inputs, microphone input and a headphone output. Or am I missing something? tim On 23 Apr 2003 at 12:16, David Brabec wrote: > Sure thing. It's called TrueRTA. It's available from www.trueaudio.com > and the level 1 version is free! (I own (and paid for, even though it > is inexpensive for what it is - level 4) It's a real time spectrum > analyzer (level 4 is 1/24th octave), dual channel o-scope, trueRMS > voltmeter, signal generator (sine, pink noise, and white noise) that > hooks up to your computers sound card. It comes pre-set for > Soundblaster Live - but it is easy to calibrate for other cards (I > have an Audigy). Works terrific - and is supposed to be accurate to > 1/20th dB when calibrated (I have NO reason to doubt that - in fact, I > think it is probably more accurate than that). For people that do have > an audigy, there is a set-up issue - it WON'T work with the VERY > simple setup - you will have to change a couple settings - fully > documented in this link (which is not referenced on their home page, > or support - go figure! > http://www.trueaudio.com/downloads/audigy-setup.pdf > > It also has a "Quick Sweep" function that sends a sweeping test > tone through the electronics and then displays the freq. response - > but, this doesn't work particularly well (hit and miss) with 3 head > cassette decks - because, I think, of the delay between the signal > hitting the record head and then being played back at the record head > (just like when you switch the tape monitor). The sweep function works > perfectly with gear that doesn't have delay - for example - a spectrum > analyer, etc. > > It sends out sine waves up to 22K and the spec analyzer is, > again, for level 4, 1/24th octave starting at 10hz and going up to 22K > (and, the display is adjustable for freq and level so you can zero in > accurately on what you are really wanting to see). > > Well, that's enough about it - but, guess you can tell I'm > pleased. Sure, I have an o-scope, signal generator, and volmeter > seperately - but this is MUCH easier - and 1/20th dB (or better) > accuracy is - well, pretty darn good by any standard. > > May want to try the Level 1 - that's what I did - it's free - > and there is nothing to lose. I bought Level 4 within a day (cause I > liked Level 1 so much). Level 1 is somewhat limited - but it is still > functional - and people may find no reason to ever upgrade and spend > money. Level 4 (the highest) is only $99.95 if a person decided to go > "full tilt" > > Can't hurt to check it out! > > Dave > > > > Michael wrote: > > Hi - > > Can you name & describe this software - and where to obtain it? > > Thanks, and good luck with your X-7 - > > Michael Pelikan > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at > naks.com]On Behalf Of David Brabec Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 9:49 > PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Alignment Question > / Problem - Fixed > > > No, you're right Tim, I typed the wrong colors - center light is red. > > As it turns out - the playback head was out of alignment. Realigned > playback head az / height, then aligned record head az and height - > and, it's a VERY happy deck now. Hooked it up to my audio software - > and it's 20-22K within just a bit over 1dB (averaging 40 readings - > pretty great software!) Tape recorded on the deck sounds perfect on > my other decks now too. > > Dave > > > ========-------------------------------------------------------------- > ----========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========-------------------------------------------------------------- > ----========= From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Wed Apr 23 23:26:13 2003 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 23:26:13 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 4 Blues - Nak Mics Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030423232502.00ac7200@box.tin.it> Blues ... I have also bought a 550 ... and I am looking for the mics , but the following auction is too expensive for me ... if you would like ... 3 Nakamichi CM-300 microphones w/CP1, 2 caps. Item # 2525813500 Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site http://www.lucenti.com My pages about digital photography From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Wed Apr 23 23:31:34 2003 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 23:31:34 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Operating and / or service manual for 550 + 250 ? Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030423232934.00acb050@box.tin.it> Dearest friends I cannot any more find the ftp site plenty of manuals as I was used to find . Is it due to the thiefs selling them on eBay ? Anyhow ... I am looking for the manuals of the 550 and 250 ... anything available somewhere ? Should I buy them on eBay ? Thanks Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site http://www.lucenti.com My pages about digital photography From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Apr 23 23:46:00 2003 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 15:46:00 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 4 Blues - Nak Mics References: <5.2.1.1.2.20030423232502.00ac7200@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <004301c309e1$bc18f670$923442cf@steve> I've picked up several nice CM300 mics recently for under $75 each, and even as little as $35. They just happen to be labeled Teac/Tascam ME120 & PE120, or Primo EMU4520. Primo was the real manufacturer of all of the Nak CM series mics, except for the CM1000, which was a standard condenser mic, rather than an electret condenser. Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer Talking Dog Transducer Company http://stephensank.com 5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] 505-332-0336 Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer Payments preferred through Paypal.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ezio" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 3:26 PM Subject: [naktalk] 4 Blues - Nak Mics > Blues ... I have also bought a 550 ... and I am looking for the mics , but > the following auction is too expensive for me ... if you would like ... > > 3 Nakamichi CM-300 microphones w/CP1, 2 caps. > Item # 2525813500 > > > > Sincerely > > Ezio Lucenti > > Ezio's e-photography site http://www.lucenti.com > > My pages about digital photography > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Wed Apr 23 23:56:40 2003 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 23:56:40 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 4 Blues - Nak Mics In-Reply-To: <004301c309e1$bc18f670$923442cf@steve> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20030423232502.00ac7200@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030423235618.00aca3b0@box.tin.it> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dbrabec at satx.rr.com Thu Apr 24 01:30:26 2003 From: dbrabec at satx.rr.com (David Brabec) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 18:30:26 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] TrueRTA Software Description / Links as Requested Message-ID: <000001c309f0$5522c950$2a93a018@scorpionmunchie> Don't know about your situation as I don't have the remote junction box. In my case (regular audigy) I hook to the line-in (2nd jack from top of card) and the line out (or..speaker out - 4th jack from top of card - have to disconnect speakers to make the connection). After setting up mixer correctly (all levels (wave, line in, and volume) to 100%) it works perfectly. Tim wrote: David - Where do you pick off the L and R channel analog output signal from your Audigy? I'm using an Audigy with the remote junction box, and it has optical, spdif, and midi ins and outs, but the only analog connectios are line level inputs, microphone input and a headphone output. Or am I missing something? tim From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu Apr 24 10:01:22 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (wheijke at xs4all.nl) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 10:01:22 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] 700ZXE discovery Message-ID: <19934.212.78.179.234.1051171282.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Hi All, I love my 700ZXE more since last night and all of this because of my friends 700ZXL! At his place last night i saw that the controls behind the front panel are being illuminated by a light! I never saw this on my ZXE so was very worried it would be missing the light! At home i saw i have a light there but only it is not as bright as his light! So now my question... Does anyone have experience in replacing this light? I guess it is a hell of a job to do! And since we are missing a 700ZXE/ZXL service manual on the site does anyone have a clue what type of lamp should be used? Wouter From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu Apr 24 10:06:00 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (wheijke at xs4all.nl) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 10:06:00 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] Operating and / or service manual for 550 + 250 ? In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20030423232934.00acb050@box.tin.it> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20030423232934.00acb050@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <7401.212.78.179.234.1051171560.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Hi Ezio, These manuals (550 or 250) were never on the ftp server... so if anyone wishes to scan i'll be more then willing to put them online. Wouter > Dearest friends I cannot any more find the ftp site plenty of manuals as I > was used to find . > Is it due to the thiefs selling them on eBay ? > > Anyhow ... I am looking for the manuals of the 550 and 250 ... anything > available somewhere ? > Should I buy them on eBay ? > > Thanks > > > Sincerely > > Ezio Lucenti > > Ezio's e-photography site http://www.lucenti.com > > My pages about digital photography > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > From christopher.winter at siemens.com Thu Apr 24 11:12:39 2003 From: christopher.winter at siemens.com (Winter Christopher) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 11:12:39 +0200 Subject: AW: [naktalk] Operating and / or service manual for 550 + 250? Message-ID: Hi Wouter, >> ... so if anyone >> wishes to scan i'll be more then willing to put them online... I think this won't help anyway. Putting the manuals on a ftp server where nobody (new?) is granted access will be more likely collecting for private use... I was in urgent need for a BX 300 manual, and, as a new member, asked for access to the manuals/server. It's been a month since my (meanwhile repeated) question, which rests unanswered till now! Just collecting manuals at a place from where nobody or just a randomly selected group can retrieve them, seems as worse as the support you get directly from Nakamichi. It took them nearly a month to send me the following 2 lines: >Sorry Sir >manuals not available as this is very old model Since the ftp archives seem to be the only major source for any form of Nak support, they should be open to all of those, who really need the information which has been collected over the years. Or am I wrong, and it's assumed to be better to pay some "thieves" at ebay? Regards Christopher -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: wheijke at xs4all.nl [mailto:wheijke at xs4all.nl] Gesendet am: Donnerstag, 24. April 2003 10:06 An: naktalk at naks.com Betreff: Re: [naktalk] Operating and / or service manual for 550 + 250 ? Hi Ezio, These manuals (550 or 250) were never on the ftp server... so if anyone wishes to scan i'll be more then willing to put them online. Wouter From croquetgod at yahoo.com Thu Apr 24 12:00:19 2003 From: croquetgod at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jens-M.=20Arndt?=) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 12:00:19 +0200 (CEST) Subject: AW: [naktalk] Operating and / or service manual for 550 + 250? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030424100019.88345.qmail@web13503.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Cristopher, please don't forget that Wouter is maintaining this webside on a strictly non-profit-basis; we can even assume that he is spending a considerable amount of money (and time, ofcourse) in order to keep naks.com alive. there is certainly no obligation whatsoever for Wouter to provide any kind of support.. p.s.: if I recall correctly you received copies of the requested BX300 manuals about a month ago... --- Winter Christopher schrieb: > Hi Wouter, > > >> ... so if anyone > >> wishes to scan i'll be more then willing to put > them online... > > I think this won't help anyway. > > Putting the manuals on a ftp server where nobody > (new?) is granted > access will be more likely collecting for private > use... > > I was in urgent need for a BX 300 manual, and, as a > new member, > asked for access to the manuals/server. It's been a > month since my > (meanwhile repeated) question, which rests > unanswered till now! > > Just collecting manuals at a place from where nobody > or just a > randomly selected group can retrieve them, seems as > worse as the > support you get directly from Nakamichi. > It took them nearly a month to send me the following > 2 lines: > > >Sorry Sir > >manuals not available as this is very old model > > Since the ftp archives seem to be the only major > source for any > form of Nak support, they should be open to all of > those, who really > need the information which has been collected over > the years. > > Or am I wrong, and it's assumed to be better to pay > some "thieves" at ebay? > > Regards > > Christopher > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: wheijke at xs4all.nl [mailto:wheijke at xs4all.nl] > Gesendet am: Donnerstag, 24. April 2003 10:06 > An: naktalk at naks.com > Betreff: Re: [naktalk] Operating and / or service > manual for 550 + 250 ? > > Hi Ezio, > > These manuals (550 or 250) were never on the ftp > server... so if anyone > wishes to scan i'll be more then willing to put them > online. > > Wouter > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei http://premiummail.yahoo.de From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu Apr 24 12:33:52 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (wheijke at xs4all.nl) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 12:33:52 +0200 (CEST) Subject: AW: [naktalk] Operating and / or service manual for 550 + 250? In-Reply-To: <20030424100019.88345.qmail@web13503.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030424100019.88345.qmail@web13503.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20295.212.78.179.234.1051180432.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Thank you Jens, In fact people sometimes send me email asking when/where they can send me their Nak for repairs, or ordering parts with me.... It's funny sometimes. Wouter > Hi Cristopher, > > please don't forget that Wouter is maintaining this > webside on a strictly non-profit-basis; we can even > assume that he is spending a considerable amount of > money (and time, ofcourse) in order to keep naks.com > alive. > there is certainly no obligation whatsoever for Wouter > to provide any kind of support.. > > p.s.: if I recall correctly you received copies of the > requested BX300 manuals about a month ago... > > > --- Winter Christopher > schrieb: > Hi Wouter, >> >> >> ... so if anyone >> >> wishes to scan i'll be more then willing to put >> them online... >> >> I think this won't help anyway. >> >> Putting the manuals on a ftp server where nobody >> (new?) is granted >> access will be more likely collecting for private >> use... >> >> I was in urgent need for a BX 300 manual, and, as a >> new member, >> asked for access to the manuals/server. It's been a >> month since my >> (meanwhile repeated) question, which rests >> unanswered till now! >> >> Just collecting manuals at a place from where nobody >> or just a >> randomly selected group can retrieve them, seems as >> worse as the >> support you get directly from Nakamichi. >> It took them nearly a month to send me the following >> 2 lines: >> >> >Sorry Sir >> >manuals not available as this is very old model >> >> Since the ftp archives seem to be the only major >> source for any >> form of Nak support, they should be open to all of >> those, who really >> need the information which has been collected over >> the years. >> >> Or am I wrong, and it's assumed to be better to pay >> some "thieves" at ebay? >> >> Regards >> >> Christopher >> >> >> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: wheijke at xs4all.nl [mailto:wheijke at xs4all.nl] >> Gesendet am: Donnerstag, 24. April 2003 10:06 >> An: naktalk at naks.com >> Betreff: Re: [naktalk] Operating and / or service >> manual for 550 + 250 ? >> >> Hi Ezio, >> >> These manuals (550 or 250) were never on the ftp >> server... so if anyone >> wishes to scan i'll be more then willing to put them >> online. >> >> Wouter >> > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com >> mailinglist >> To maintain your account please go here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ===== > 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, > man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat > in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' > (Harry Rowohlt) > > __________________________________________________________________ > > Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de > Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei http://premiummail.yahoo.de > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > From christopher.winter at siemens.com Thu Apr 24 13:44:35 2003 From: christopher.winter at siemens.com (Winter Christopher) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 13:44:35 +0200 Subject: AW: AW: [naktalk] Operating and / or service manual for 550 + 250 ? Message-ID: Well that's just the kind of answer I expected... I didn't query anyone to repair my deck, nor did I ask for some spare parts or something else. I was just asking for specific manuals. That's just to end this thread in a clear manner - my answers have been sent to both of my "opponents". Good style for a mailing-list anyway... -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: wheijke at xs4all.nl [mailto:wheijke at xs4all.nl] Gesendet am: Donnerstag, 24. April 2003 12:34 An: naktalk at naks.com Betreff: Re: AW: [naktalk] Operating and / or service manual for 550 + 250? Thank you Jens, In fact people sometimes send me email asking when/where they can send me their Nak for repairs, or ordering parts with me.... It's funny sometimes. Wouter > Hi Cristopher, > > please don't forget that Wouter is maintaining this > webside on a strictly non-profit-basis; we can even > assume that he is spending a considerable amount of > money (and time, ofcourse) in order to keep naks.com > alive. > there is certainly no obligation whatsoever for Wouter > to provide any kind of support.. > > p.s.: if I recall correctly you received copies of the > requested BX300 manuals about a month ago... > From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu Apr 24 14:14:49 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (wheijke at xs4all.nl) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 14:14:49 +0200 (CEST) Subject: AW: AW: [naktalk] Operating and / or service manual for 550 + 250? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <11883.212.78.179.234.1051186489.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> I hope people understand that i do all of this for fun and for free, in fact the site costs me money every month! Sometimes the 'fun' is not there, so at these times i ask myself why i do it... but at other times it gives me a lot of fun, like when people like Jens send price information or scan some brochures, or other members of the list send me information (or even components!!!) on how to repair my Naks. Right now i'm working on a total new version of the website... in evenings when i feel like doing something nice. It will be a 100% change of what's there now, i get a lot of inspiration of the B&W site. Some long time members of the list saw some work-in-progress material and gave me good response so the thing i need to continue with this in my spare time. I hope to include the manual support in the new website so it will be more easy to get a manual, but still restrictions will be three in the form of a credit system ("download one for free, upload one and get all"). Wouter > Well that's just the kind of answer I expected... > > I didn't query anyone to repair my deck, nor did I ask > for some spare parts or something else. > I was just asking for specific manuals. > > That's just to end this thread in a clear manner - > my answers have been sent to both of my "opponents". > > Good style for a mailing-list anyway... > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: wheijke at xs4all.nl [mailto:wheijke at xs4all.nl] > Gesendet am: Donnerstag, 24. April 2003 12:34 > An: naktalk at naks.com > Betreff: Re: AW: [naktalk] Operating and / or service manual for 550 + > 250? > > Thank you Jens, > > In fact people sometimes send me email asking when/where they can send me > their Nak for repairs, or ordering parts with me.... > It's funny sometimes. > > Wouter > > >> Hi Cristopher, >> >> please don't forget that Wouter is maintaining this >> webside on a strictly non-profit-basis; we can even >> assume that he is spending a considerable amount of >> money (and time, ofcourse) in order to keep naks.com >> alive. >> there is certainly no obligation whatsoever for Wouter >> to provide any kind of support.. >> >> p.s.: if I recall correctly you received copies of the >> requested BX300 manuals about a month ago... >> > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Apr 24 15:16:21 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 09:16:21 -0400 Subject: AW: [naktalk] Operating and / or service manual for 550 + 250? References: <20030424100019.88345.qmail@web13503.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3EA7E3A5.8B9BAAE0@rcn.com> We are all aware of Wouter's tremendous contribution to our Nak hobby. And we are all grateful. We 'repay' by helping each other with advice, information and any data we might have. Just like the brochures you uploaded -- don't think it's not appreciated, as well. But removing access to the support site was like throwing away the baby with the wash water. True, the dirt is gone, but we don't have the baby anymore... I am not sure the new idea of paying for downloads with uploads will work, either. It certainly won't weed out the manual thieves; they have enough manuals from which to upload. It will only hurt the bona fide hobbyist that does not have manuals to contribute but could be contributing to the nak.com community in other ways. A similar situation exists with ReVox manuals: there is one site that offers manuals for free download and there are tons of merchants that peddle manuals (I don't know whether scanned from originals or downloaded from the free site) for hefty sums. Heathkit manuals and data can be found for free on two sites, but ebay is full of auctions of manuals for sale by various hucksters. None of the free sites have limited access to downloads. They must have accepted that stealing cannot (or should not) be stopped by closing down the site. I'll bet that all manual thieves already have more manuals than the free sites, anyway. I repeat: of course, we are all grateful to Wouter for providing the list support. I just wonder if the solution to the stealing was the right one. Peace, -- Ron "Jens-M. Arndt" wrote: > > Hi Cristopher, > > please don't forget that Wouter is maintaining this > webside on a strictly non-profit-basis; we can even > assume that he is spending a considerable amount of > money (and time, ofcourse) in order to keep naks.com > alive. > there is certainly no obligation whatsoever for Wouter > to provide any kind of support.. > > p.s.: if I recall correctly you received copies of the > requested BX300 manuals about a month ago... > > --- Winter Christopher > schrieb: > Hi Wouter, > > > > >> ... so if anyone > > >> wishes to scan i'll be more then willing to put > > them online... > > > > I think this won't help anyway. > > > > Putting the manuals on a ftp server where nobody > > (new?) is granted > > access will be more likely collecting for private > > use... > > > > I was in urgent need for a BX 300 manual, and, as a > > new member, > > asked for access to the manuals/server. It's been a > > month since my > > (meanwhile repeated) question, which rests > > unanswered till now! > > > > Just collecting manuals at a place from where nobody > > or just a > > randomly selected group can retrieve them, seems as > > worse as the > > support you get directly from Nakamichi. > > It took them nearly a month to send me the following > > 2 lines: > > > > >Sorry Sir > > >manuals not available as this is very old model > > > > Since the ftp archives seem to be the only major > > source for any > > form of Nak support, they should be open to all of > > those, who really > > need the information which has been collected over > > the years. > > > > Or am I wrong, and it's assumed to be better to pay > > some "thieves" at ebay? > > > > Regards > > > > Christopher > > > > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: wheijke at xs4all.nl [mailto:wheijke at xs4all.nl] > > Gesendet am: Donnerstag, 24. April 2003 10:06 > > An: naktalk at naks.com > > Betreff: Re: [naktalk] Operating and / or service > > manual for 550 + 250 ? > > > > Hi Ezio, > > > > These manuals (550 or 250) were never on the ftp > > server... so if anyone > > wishes to scan i'll be more then willing to put them > > online. > > > > Wouter > > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Apr 24 19:49:34 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 18:49:34 +0100 Subject: AW: [naktalk] Operating and / or service manual for 550 + 250? In-Reply-To: <20030424100019.88345.qmail@web13503.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000c01c30a89$ddc9e7e0$8d6d893e@oemcomputer> But we "pay" Wouter with out LOVE! Kiss! Kiss! :o) > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Jens-M. Arndt > Sent: 24 April 2003 11:00 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: AW: [naktalk] Operating and / or service manual for 550 + > 250? > > > Hi Cristopher, > > please don't forget that Wouter is maintaining this > webside on a strictly non-profit-basis; we can even > assume that he is spending a considerable amount of > money (and time, ofcourse) in order to keep naks.com > alive. > there is certainly no obligation whatsoever for Wouter > to provide any kind of support.. > > p.s.: if I recall correctly you received copies of the > requested BX300 manuals about a month ago... > > > --- Winter Christopher > schrieb: > Hi Wouter, > > > > >> ... so if anyone > > >> wishes to scan i'll be more then willing to put > > them online... > > > > I think this won't help anyway. > > > > Putting the manuals on a ftp server where nobody > > (new?) is granted > > access will be more likely collecting for private > > use... > > > > I was in urgent need for a BX 300 manual, and, as a > > new member, > > asked for access to the manuals/server. It's been a > > month since my > > (meanwhile repeated) question, which rests > > unanswered till now! > > > > Just collecting manuals at a place from where nobody > > or just a > > randomly selected group can retrieve them, seems as > > worse as the > > support you get directly from Nakamichi. > > It took them nearly a month to send me the following > > 2 lines: > > > > >Sorry Sir > > >manuals not available as this is very old model > > > > Since the ftp archives seem to be the only major > > source for any > > form of Nak support, they should be open to all of > > those, who really > > need the information which has been collected over > > the years. > > > > Or am I wrong, and it's assumed to be better to pay > > some "thieves" at ebay? > > > > Regards > > > > Christopher > > > > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: wheijke at xs4all.nl [mailto:wheijke at xs4all.nl] > > Gesendet am: Donnerstag, 24. April 2003 10:06 > > An: naktalk at naks.com > > Betreff: Re: [naktalk] Operating and / or service > > manual for 550 + 250 ? > > > > Hi Ezio, > > > > These manuals (550 or 250) were never on the ftp > > server... so if anyone > > wishes to scan i'll be more then willing to put them > > online. > > > > Wouter > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > > mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > > ===== > 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder > Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia > Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist > wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) > > __________________________________________________________________ > > Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de > Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei http://premiummail.yahoo.de > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.471 / Virus Database: 269 - Release Date: 10/04/03 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.471 / Virus Database: 269 - Release Date: 10/04/03 From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Apr 24 19:49:38 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 18:49:38 +0100 Subject: AW: AW: [naktalk] Operating and / or service manual for 550 + 250? In-Reply-To: <11883.212.78.179.234.1051186489.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <000d01c30a89$e0030f00$8d6d893e@oemcomputer> Superb news! Wouter, you are a HERO! I look forward to seeing the end result. Graham > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of wheijke at xs4all.nl > Sent: 24 April 2003 13:15 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: AW: AW: [naktalk] Operating and / or service manual for 550 > + 250? > > > I hope people understand that i do all of this for fun and for free, in > fact the site costs me money every month! > Sometimes the 'fun' is not there, so at these times i ask myself why i do > it... but at other times it gives me a lot of fun, like when people like > Jens send price information or scan some brochures, or other members of > the list send me information (or even components!!!) on how to repair my > Naks. > > Right now i'm working on a total new version of the website... in evenings > when i feel like doing something nice. It will be a 100% change of what's > there now, i get a lot of inspiration of the B&W site. Some long time > members of the list saw some work-in-progress material and gave me good > response so the thing i need to continue with this in my spare time. > I hope to include the manual support in the new website so it will be more > easy to get a manual, but still restrictions will be three in the form of > a credit system ("download one for free, upload one and get all"). > > Wouter > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.471 / Virus Database: 269 - Release Date: 10/04/03 From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Apr 24 20:16:25 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 01:16:25 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] 700ZXE discovery References: <19934.212.78.179.234.1051171282.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <002d01c30a8d$9e852be0$5f299bca@smarzuki> Hi Wouter, Lamp B (behind door) is 6.3V 100mA while Lamp A (above cassette well) is 6.3V 70mA. The important ones (play, stop etc) are 12V 30mA bulbs. Exactly similar to 700ZXL. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: wheijke at xs4all.nl To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 3:01 PM Subject: [naktalk] 700ZXE discovery Hi All, I love my 700ZXE more since last night and all of this because of my friends 700ZXL! At his place last night i saw that the controls behind the front panel are being illuminated by a light! I never saw this on my ZXE so was very worried it would be missing the light! At home i saw i have a light there but only it is not as bright as his light! So now my question... Does anyone have experience in replacing this light? I guess it is a hell of a job to do! And since we are missing a 700ZXE/ZXL service manual on the site does anyone have a clue what type of lamp should be used? Wouter ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Thu Apr 24 20:17:56 2003 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 20:17:56 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Manual 4 480 .... Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030424201644.00a60d90@box.tin.it> Is anybody interested to the owner manual for the 480 ? I can scan it if you want ... just tell me , please. Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site http://www.lucenti.com My pages about digital photography From enoyes at snet.net Fri Apr 25 04:47:53 2003 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 22:47:53 -0400 Subject: AW: [naktalk] Operating and / or service manual for 550 + 250? References: <20030424100019.88345.qmail@web13503.mail.yahoo.com> <3EA7E3A5.8B9BAAE0@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3EA8A1D9.3040702@snet.net> I would bet that with all the people on this site who make a habit of cruising Nak stuff on ebay, it would not take much to kindly inform bidders on manuals that there is a means of getting the same document for free as a download. This could certainly prove effective at stemming the sale of stuff that's been taken from the site. Ed From roleo at telus.net Fri Apr 25 05:16:20 2003 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 20:16:20 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] RM-580 Remote Control Message-ID: <001701c30ad9$0b44b8e0$0dd2b440@desktop> Thought some of you guys might be interested in picking up a RM-580 wireless remote control in perfect condition I am selling. Bidding starts at $0.01. Just placed it on E-bay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3020842017&ssPageName=ADME:B:LC:US:1 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Fri Apr 25 05:34:48 2003 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 05:34:48 +0200 Subject: AW: [naktalk] Operating and / or service manual for 550 + 250? In-Reply-To: <3EA8A1D9.3040702@snet.net> References: <20030424100019.88345.qmail@web13503.mail.yahoo.com> <3EA7E3A5.8B9BAAE0@rcn.com> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030425053352.00aca290@box.tin.it> Absolutely true ! As far as I will have time ... I commit myself to do it . Thanks WOUTER for your heroism ! Ezio At 22.47 24/04/03 -0400, you wrote: >I would bet that with all the people on this site who make a habit of >cruising Nak stuff on ebay, it would not take much to kindly inform >bidders on manuals that there is a means of getting the same document for >free as a download. This could certainly prove effective at stemming the >sale of stuff that's been taken from the site. > >Ed > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site http://www.lucenti.com My pages about digital photography From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri Apr 25 09:22:08 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (wheijke at xs4all.nl) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 09:22:08 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] Manual 4 480 .... In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20030424201644.00a60d90@box.tin.it> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20030424201644.00a60d90@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <24735.212.78.179.234.1051255328.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> FYI: It is available for download. Wouter > Is anybody interested to the owner manual for the 480 ? > I can scan it if you want ... just tell me , please. > > Sincerely > > Ezio Lucenti > > Ezio's e-photography site http://www.lucenti.com > > My pages about digital photography > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > From Tpfinn at btinternet.com Fri Apr 25 11:40:10 2003 From: Tpfinn at btinternet.com (Terence Finn) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 10:40:10 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 4 Blues - Nak Mics References: <5.2.1.1.2.20030423232502.00ac7200@box.tin.it> <004301c309e1$bc18f670$923442cf@steve> Message-ID: <000001c30b0e$d11ea500$74418751@oemcomputer> Hi Steven Re the CM300's, how are powering them, as over here in the UK the original Sony 7MR9(H-7D) 9.45V Mercury's are no longer available ( the last one's bought were around £12 each) Was toying with the idea of a a seperate phantom type power supply any ideas /circuits you could point me at. If it helps and as a brief intro I was the UK Service and Tech manager for a company called Natural Sound Systems here in the UK from 76 to 81 handling Nakamichi/Yamaha/Maxell and Pioneer and have kept a large manual and paper archive and spares from that period + collection of hardware. Time I had a clear out. I might just have something that you haver been looking for? Currently handling (among others) Wes Dooleys AEA ribbons over here regards Terry Finn terry at affinityaudio.com www.affinityaudio.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 10:46 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 4 Blues - Nak Mics > I've picked up several nice CM300 mics recently for under $75 each, and even > as little as $35. They just happen to be labeled Teac/Tascam ME120 & PE120, > or Primo EMU4520. Primo was the real manufacturer of all of the Nak CM > series mics, except for the CM1000, which was a standard condenser mic, > rather than an electret condenser. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer > Talking Dog Transducer Company > http://stephensank.com > 5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] > 505-332-0336 > Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer > Payments preferred through Paypal.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ezio" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 3:26 PM > Subject: [naktalk] 4 Blues - Nak Mics > > > > Blues ... I have also bought a 550 ... and I am looking for the mics , but > > the following auction is too expensive for me ... if you would like ... > > > > 3 Nakamichi CM-300 microphones w/CP1, 2 caps. > > Item # 2525813500 > > > > > > > > Sincerely > > > > Ezio Lucenti > > > > Ezio's e-photography site http://www.lucenti.com > > > > My pages about digital photography > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From mithao at hotmail.com Fri Apr 25 14:35:32 2003 From: mithao at hotmail.com (Minh Pham) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 12:35:32 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Manual 4 480 .... Message-ID: Hi I am looking for the Nakamichi 580M manual.I hope you may help me out >From: wheijke at xs4all.nl >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manual 4 480 .... >Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 09:22:08 +0200 (CEST) > >FYI: It is available for download. > >Wouter > > > Is anybody interested to the owner manual for the 480 ? > > I can scan it if you want ... just tell me , please. > > > > Sincerely > > > > Ezio Lucenti > > > > Ezio's e-photography site http://www.lucenti.com > > > > My pages about digital photography > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri Apr 25 15:16:16 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (wheijke at xs4all.nl) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 15:16:16 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] Manual 4 480 .... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9962.212.78.179.234.1051276576.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> The 580 manual is there, it will cover the 580M on most vital parts. Wouter > Hi > I am looking for the Nakamichi 580M manual.I hope you may help me out > > > > > > >>From: wheijke at xs4all.nl >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manual 4 480 .... >>Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 09:22:08 +0200 (CEST) >> >>FYI: It is available for download. >> >>Wouter >> >> > Is anybody interested to the owner manual for the 480 ? >> > I can scan it if you want ... just tell me , please. >> > >> > Sincerely >> > >> > Ezio Lucenti >> > >> > Ezio's e-photography site http://www.lucenti.com >> > >> > My pages about digital photography >> > >> > >> > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> > To maintain your account please go here: >> > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >> > >> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>To maintain your account please go here: >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > From m.pelikan at worldnet.att.net Fri Apr 25 18:30:31 2003 From: m.pelikan at worldnet.att.net (Michael P. Pelikan) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 12:30:31 -0400 Subject: AW: AW: [naktalk] Operating and / or service manual for 550 + 250? In-Reply-To: <11883.212.78.179.234.1051186489.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: Hi Wouter - Congratulations and thanks for continuing this excellent resource for the Nak community - indeed - the "community" would hardly recognize itself as such without your site to gather around! My only question about the "download one for free, upload one and get all" is about whether that strategy is sustainable. As manuals, reviews, brochures, etc are uploaded, there become fewer opportunities to provide one to the resurce that it doesn't already have. For example, I have an original 600 owners manual and an original 700II owners manual. I don't know if these are already represented in the archive (I haven't succeeded in logging on since it went to maximum 1 simultaneous user), but if they were, I would be limited to the download of a single manual - and I may well need several - such as a 700 or 700II service manual (right now) as well as potentially owners/service manuals for the next nak that finds its way over my doorstep - whatever model that may be (you know how these things are - the next nak could knock on my door at any moment!)... Anyway, I know you're trying to find a solution that will work, and I just want to join the chorus of folks who thank you for all your effort. Best wishes, Michael Pelikan State College, PA -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of wheijke at xs4all.nl Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 8:15 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: AW: AW: [naktalk] Operating and / or service manual for 550 + 250? I hope people understand that i do all of this for fun and for free, in fact the site costs me money every month! Sometimes the 'fun' is not there, so at these times i ask myself why i do it... but at other times it gives me a lot of fun, like when people like Jens send price information or scan some brochures, or other members of the list send me information (or even components!!!) on how to repair my Naks. Right now i'm working on a total new version of the website... in evenings when i feel like doing something nice. It will be a 100% change of what's there now, i get a lot of inspiration of the B&W site. Some long time members of the list saw some work-in-progress material and gave me good response so the thing i need to continue with this in my spare time. I hope to include the manual support in the new website so it will be more easy to get a manual, but still restrictions will be three in the form of a credit system ("download one for free, upload one and get all"). Wouter From blueswapper at angelfire.com Fri Apr 25 21:43:56 2003 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 12:43:56 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak 550 & Microphones Message-ID: Ezio! Great to learn that another NakTalker has found a well-functioning Nak 550 portable deck. Yes, I'm pleased with the deck I purchased from a friend here in the USA, rehabbed about a year ago and performing beautifully. I'm definately in the market for a set of microphones, probably CM-100s will suffice. Seems that the CM-300s would be a deluxe version, and probably out of my price range. Then again, Stephen's advice about the manufacturer of the Nak microphones interests me. Perhaps Primo brand microphones will be just as good, and less costly! Full color Nak 550 brochure is available for viewing at: http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nak550a.html Contact me directly if you have no success finding copies of the 550 owners and service manuals. Regards, Bleus de Nakker --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html ---forwarded message--- Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 23:26:13 +0200 From: Ezio [add to address book] [add to spam block list] Subject: [naktalk] 4 Blues - Nak Mics To: naktalk at naks.com Reply To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Blues ... I have also bought a 550 ... and I am looking for the mics , but the following auction is too expensive for me ... if you would like ... 3 Nakamichi CM-300 microphones w/CP1, 2 caps. Item # 2525813500 Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site http://www.lucenti.com My pages about digital photography -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 15:46:00 -0600 From: "Stephen Sank" Subject: Re: [naktalk] 4 Blues - Nak Mics To: Reply To: I've picked up several nice CM300 mics recently for under $75 each, and even as little as $35. They just happen to be labeled Teac/Tascam ME120 & PE120, or Primo EMU4520. Primo was the real manufacturer of all of the Nak CM series mics, except for the CM1000, which was a standard condenser mic, rather than an electret condenser. Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer Talking Dog Transducer Company http://stephensank.com ____________________________________________________________ Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus From c123666 at earthlink.net Fri Apr 25 23:49:51 2003 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl C) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 14:49:51 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak 550 & Microphones In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Just two cents here; my experience with the Nak mics is that the cm300 are a huge improvement over the less expensive cm100. It is not a subtle difference. We had to spend a material additional amount of money (at retail prices) to improve on the cm300 mics, though. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of The BlueSwapper Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 12:44 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: blueswapper at angelfire.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak 550 & Microphones Ezio! Great to learn that another NakTalker has found a well-functioning Nak 550 portable deck. Yes, I'm pleased with the deck I purchased from a friend here in the USA, rehabbed about a year ago and performing beautifully. I'm definately in the market for a set of microphones, probably CM-100s will suffice. Seems that the CM-300s would be a deluxe version, and probably out of my price range. Then again, Stephen's advice about the manufacturer of the Nak microphones interests me. Perhaps Primo brand microphones will be just as good, and less costly! Full color Nak 550 brochure is available for viewing at: http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nak550a.html Contact me directly if you have no success finding copies of the 550 owners and service manuals. Regards, Bleus de Nakker --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html ---forwarded message--- Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 23:26:13 +0200 From: Ezio [add to address book] [add to spam block list] Subject: [naktalk] 4 Blues - Nak Mics To: naktalk at naks.com Reply To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Blues ... I have also bought a 550 ... and I am looking for the mics , but the following auction is too expensive for me ... if you would like ... 3 Nakamichi CM-300 microphones w/CP1, 2 caps. Item # 2525813500 Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site http://www.lucenti.com My pages about digital photography ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- ----------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 15:46:00 -0600 From: "Stephen Sank" Subject: Re: [naktalk] 4 Blues - Nak Mics To: Reply To: I've picked up several nice CM300 mics recently for under $75 each, and even as little as $35. They just happen to be labeled Teac/Tascam ME120 & PE120, or Primo EMU4520. Primo was the real manufacturer of all of the Nak CM series mics, except for the CM1000, which was a standard condenser mic, rather than an electret condenser. Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer Talking Dog Transducer Company http://stephensank.com ____________________________________________________________ Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! 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In-Reply-To: <24735.212.78.179.234.1051255328.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl > References: <5.2.1.1.2.20030424201644.00a60d90@box.tin.it> <5.2.1.1.2.20030424201644.00a60d90@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030426094032.00ac9180@box.tin.it> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Apr 26 11:34:53 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 10:34:53 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Manual 4 480 .... Ezio In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20030426094032.00ac9180@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <000d01c30bd7$1726d180$97d4883e@oemcomputer> Ezio This is what Wouter sent me the other day - see if it works for you. It doesn't for me. server: ftp.naks.com user: pdfdownloadguest password: n3r0 Graham -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ezio Sent: 26 April 2003 08:41 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manual 4 480 .... Wouter , how can I access the site ? PLEASE ! Thanks Ezio At 09.22 25/04/03 +0200, you wrote: FYI: It is available for download. Wouter > Is anybody interested to the owner manual for the 480 ? > I can scan it if you want ... just tell me , please. > > Sincerely > > Ezio Lucenti > > Ezio's e-photography site http://www.lucenti.com > > My pages about digital photography > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site http://www.lucenti.com My pages about digital photography --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. 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Many thanks Graham -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Graham Nelson Sent: 26 April 2003 10:35 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Manual 4 480 .... Ezio Ezio This is what Wouter sent me the other day - see if it works for you. It doesn't for me. server: ftp.naks.com user: pdfdownloadguest password: n3r0 Graham -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ezio Sent: 26 April 2003 08:41 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manual 4 480 .... Wouter , how can I access the site ? PLEASE ! Thanks Ezio At 09.22 25/04/03 +0200, you wrote: FYI: It is available for download. Wouter > Is anybody interested to the owner manual for the 480 ? > I can scan it if you want ... just tell me , please. > > Sincerely > > Ezio Lucenti > > Ezio's e-photography site http://www.lucenti.com > > My pages about digital photography > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site http://www.lucenti.com My pages about digital photography --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 18/04/03 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Apr 26 20:42:58 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 14:42:58 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Manual 4 480 .... Ezio References: <000d01c30bd7$1726d180$97d4883e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3EAAD332.2A8A3C9A@rcn.com> You can no longer access the support site through a browser -- you need an ftp client. There are several you can download for free. -- Ron > Graham Nelson wrote: > > Ezio > > This is what Wouter sent me the other day - see if it works for you. It > doesn't for me. > > > server: ftp.naks.com > > user: pdfdownloadguest > > password: n3r0 > > > > Graham > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Ezio > Sent: 26 April 2003 08:41 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manual 4 480 .... > > Wouter , how can I access the site ? > PLEASE ! > > Thanks > > Ezio > > At 09.22 25/04/03 +0200, you wrote: > > > FYI: It is available for download. > > > > Wouter > > > > > Is anybody interested to the owner manual for the 480 ? > > > I can scan it if you want ... just tell me , please. > > > > > > Sincerely > > > > > > Ezio Lucenti > > > > > > Ezio's e-photography site http://www.lucenti.com > > > > > > My pages about digital photography > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > To maintain your account please go here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Sincerely > > Ezio Lucenti > > Ezio's e-photography site http://www.lucenti.com > > My pages about digital photography From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Apr 26 20:46:03 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 14:46:03 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Manual Nakamichi 1000ZXL References: <002701c30c13$562ff000$97d4883e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3EAAD3EB.1B56E65A@rcn.com> I have the owner manual, downloaded from the support site. Will be happy to email it to you, but be aware that it's 2.5MB. Let me know if you want it. Have a nice weekend, -- Ron > Graham Nelson wrote: > > Guys/Wouter > > A friend of mine has obtained one of these lovely lovely decks. (The lucky > blighter! I shall ingratiate myself into his good books so that he might > leave it to me in his Will ... then we can have a funeral! Ho! Ho! ) Does > anyone have a user manual/service manual you could copy and send to me, > please? (Don't tell me I can download one from the site because, for some > unknown reason, it doesn't work for lil' hairy Graham.) > > Many thanks > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Graham Nelson > Sent: 26 April 2003 10:35 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Manual 4 480 .... Ezio > > Ezio > > This is what Wouter sent me the other day - see if it works for > you. It doesn't for me. > > > server: ftp.naks.com > > user: pdfdownloadguest > > password: n3r0 > > > > Graham > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ezio > Sent: 26 April 2003 08:41 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manual 4 480 .... > > Wouter , how can I access the site ? > PLEASE ! > > Thanks > > Ezio > > At 09.22 25/04/03 +0200, you wrote: > > > FYI: It is available for download. > > > > Wouter > > > > > Is anybody interested to the owner manual for the > > 480 ? > > > I can scan it if you want ... just tell me , please. > > > > > > Sincerely > > > > > > Ezio Lucenti > > > > > > Ezio's e-photography site http://www.lucenti.com > > > > > > My pages about digital photography > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com > > mailinglist > > > To maintain your account please go here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > > mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Sincerely > > Ezio Lucenti > > Ezio's e-photography site http://www.lucenti.com > > My pages about digital photography > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From fidelman at telcel.net.ve Sat Apr 26 21:46:43 2003 From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 15:46:43 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Manual Nakamichi 1000ZXL References: <002701c30c13$562ff000$97d4883e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <004901c30c2c$94923510$af6423c8@g8nsv> Hey Graham!!!! I can make you a copy of my user's manual and send it to you next week... Just let me know....contact me to my email.... Regards Isy ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 12:46 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Manual Nakamichi 1000ZXL Guys/Wouter A friend of mine has obtained one of these lovely lovely decks. (The lucky blighter! I shall ingratiate myself into his good books so that he might leave it to me in his Will ... then we can have a funeral! Ho! Ho! ) Does anyone have a user manual/service manual you could copy and send to me, please? (Don't tell me I can download one from the site because, for some unknown reason, it doesn't work for lil' hairy Graham.) Many thanks Graham -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Graham Nelson Sent: 26 April 2003 10:35 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Manual 4 480 .... Ezio Ezio This is what Wouter sent me the other day - see if it works for you. It doesn't for me. server: ftp.naks.com user: pdfdownloadguest password: n3r0 Graham -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ezio Sent: 26 April 2003 08:41 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manual 4 480 .... Wouter , how can I access the site ? PLEASE ! Thanks Ezio At 09.22 25/04/03 +0200, you wrote: FYI: It is available for download. Wouter > Is anybody interested to the owner manual for the 480 ? > I can scan it if you want ... just tell me , please. > > Sincerely > > Ezio Lucenti > > Ezio's e-photography site http://www.lucenti.com > > My pages about digital photography > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site http://www.lucenti.com My pages about digital photography ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Sat Apr 26 22:52:09 2003 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 22:52:09 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Manual 4 480 .... Ezio In-Reply-To: <3EAAD332.2A8A3C9A@rcn.com> References: <000d01c30bd7$1726d180$97d4883e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030426225128.038d95a0@box.tin.it> You are right , I am ''in'' with WSFTP . Downloading ... Ciao Ezio At 14.42 26/04/03 -0400, you wrote: >You can no longer access the support site through a browser -- you >need an ftp client. There are several you can download for free. > >-- Ron > > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > Ezio > > > > This is what Wouter sent me the other day - see if it works for you. It > > doesn't for me. > > > > > > server: ftp.naks.com > > > > user: pdfdownloadguest > > > > password: n3r0 > > > > > > > > Graham > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Ezio > > Sent: 26 April 2003 08:41 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manual 4 480 .... > > > > Wouter , how can I access the site ? > > PLEASE ! > > > > Thanks > > > > Ezio > > > > At 09.22 25/04/03 +0200, you wrote: > > > > > FYI: It is available for download. > > > > > > Wouter > > > > > > > Is anybody interested to the owner manual for the 480 ? > > > > I can scan it if you want ... just tell me , please. > > > > > > > > Sincerely > > > > > > > > Ezio Lucenti > > > > > > > > Ezio's e-photography site http://www.lucenti.com > > > > > > > > My pages about digital photography > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > To maintain your account please go here: > > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > To maintain your account please go here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > Sincerely > > > > Ezio Lucenti > > > > Ezio's e-photography site http://www.lucenti.com > > > > My pages about digital photography > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site http://www.lucenti.com My pages about digital photography From timbarrett at cox.net Sat Apr 26 23:05:37 2003 From: timbarrett at cox.net (timbarrett at cox.net) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 17:05:37 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] service manuals Message-ID: <3EAABC61.22683.FC86A7A@localhost> Gentlemen - (and there don't seem to be any ladies out there... why is that?) I've finally connected with Wouter's FTP site, here is a list of manuals that I found in the service manuals section: BX1 BX300 CR4 Dragon DS100 LX5 NR200 RX202 RX505 TD700 TT700 ZX9 480 500 582 680ZX In downloaded the 680ZX and BX300 manuals to assist in the repair of those decks that I have, I also have a 481 manual to share. I was unable to upload it without some sort of password. I would like to have a ZX-7 manual if anyone out there has one. There were many more user manuals than service manuals, I didn't bother copying the list or downloading any. Wouter- I hope that you don't mind that I've published this. I can't think why it would cause any problems. Tim From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Apr 26 23:23:24 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 22:23:24 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Manual Nakamichi 1000ZXL In-Reply-To: <3EAAD3EB.1B56E65A@rcn.com> Message-ID: <001801c30c3a$12041600$558187d9@oemcomputer> Thanks Ron and Isy Marc kindly downloaded it from the site and sent it to me. Any recommendations for a ftp client? Graham > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Ron > Sent: 26 April 2003 19:46 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manual Nakamichi 1000ZXL > > > > I have the owner manual, downloaded from the support site. Will be > happy to email it to you, but be aware that it's 2.5MB. Let me know > if you want it. > > Have a nice weekend, > > -- Ron > > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > Guys/Wouter > > > > A friend of mine has obtained one of these lovely lovely decks. > (The lucky > > blighter! I shall ingratiate myself into his good books so > that he might > > leave it to me in his Will ... then we can have a funeral! Ho! > Ho! ) Does > > anyone have a user manual/service manual you could copy and send to me, > > please? (Don't tell me I can download one from the site > because, for some > > unknown reason, it doesn't work for lil' hairy Graham.) > > > > Many thanks > > > > Graham > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Graham Nelson > > Sent: 26 April 2003 10:35 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Manual 4 480 .... Ezio > > > > Ezio > > > > This is what Wouter sent me the other day - see if it works for > > you. It doesn't for me. > > > > > > server: ftp.naks.com > > > > user: pdfdownloadguest > > > > password: n3r0 > > > > > > > > Graham > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ezio > > Sent: 26 April 2003 08:41 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manual 4 480 .... > > > > Wouter , how can I access the site ? > > PLEASE ! > > > > Thanks > > > > Ezio > > > > At 09.22 25/04/03 +0200, you wrote: > > > > > FYI: It is available for download. > > > > > > Wouter > > > > > > > Is anybody interested to the owner manual for the > > > 480 ? > > > > I can scan it if you want ... just tell me , please. > > > > > > > > Sincerely > > > > > > > > Ezio Lucenti > > > > > > > > Ezio's e-photography site http://www.lucenti.com > > > > > > > > My pages about digital photography > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com > > > mailinglist > > > > To maintain your account please go here: > > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com > > > mailinglist > > > To maintain your account please go here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > > > > > > > Sincerely > > > > Ezio Lucenti > > > > Ezio's e-photography site http://www.lucenti.com > > > > My pages about digital photography > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 18/04/03 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 18/04/03 From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Sat Apr 26 23:34:46 2003 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 23:34:46 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Manual Nakamichi 1000ZXL In-Reply-To: <001801c30c3a$12041600$558187d9@oemcomputer> References: <3EAAD3EB.1B56E65A@rcn.com> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030426233304.00ac93e0@box.tin.it> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ti at amb.org Sun Apr 27 01:26:49 2003 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 16:26:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Manual Nakamichi 1000ZXL In-Reply-To: <001801c30c3a$12041600$558187d9@oemcomputer> from "Graham Nelson" at Apr 26, 2003 10:23:24 PM Message-ID: <200304262326.XAA11806@amb.org> Graham Nelson writes: > Thanks Ron and Isy > Marc kindly downloaded it from the site and sent it to me. > Any recommendations for a ftp client? If you're running Windows, you already have an ftp client. Just do this: Start -> Run In the dialog box, enter "ftp". When the ftp program window starts, type: open ftp.naks.com Then log in using the name and password that was posted in the earlier posting. You can then use the "dir" and "cd" commands to browse the files and directories, and if you find a file you want to download, type: get where is the name of the file you want to download. When you are done, exit the ftp client by giving the "bye" command. -Ti -- /// Ti Kan Vorsprung durch Technik /// AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA /// ti at amb.org ////// http://www.amb.org/ti/ /// From m.raven at chello.nl Sun Apr 27 02:04:50 2003 From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits) Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 02:04:50 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Manual Nakamichi 1000ZXL References: <200304262326.XAA11806@amb.org> Message-ID: <000d01c30c50$9f2eb060$9e3cbbd4@raveneql1a1eu0> Ti Kan wrote: > Graham Nelson writes: >> Thanks Ron and Isy >> Marc kindly downloaded it from the site and sent it to me. >> Any recommendations for a ftp client? > > If you're running Windows, you already have an ftp client. Just > do this: > > Start -> Run > > In the dialog box, enter "ftp". Yehh, the old dos command line! Maurits From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Apr 27 12:21:43 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 11:21:43 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Manual Nakamichi 1000ZXL In-Reply-To: <200304262326.XAA11806@amb.org> Message-ID: <001201c30ca6$ccacffa0$5a954c51@oemcomputer> Thanks Ti, I'll try that! Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Ti Kan > Sent: 27 April 2003 00:27 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Cc: ra.ah at rcn.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manual Nakamichi 1000ZXL > > > Graham Nelson writes: > > Thanks Ron and Isy > > Marc kindly downloaded it from the site and sent it to me. > > Any recommendations for a ftp client? > > If you're running Windows, you already have an ftp client. Just > do this: > > Start -> Run > > In the dialog box, enter "ftp". > > When the ftp program window starts, type: > > open ftp.naks.com > > Then log in using the name and password that was posted in the > earlier posting. > > You can then use the "dir" and "cd" commands to browse the files > and directories, and if you find a file you want to download, > type: > > get > > where is the name of the file you want to download. > > When you are done, exit the ftp client by giving the "bye" command. > > -Ti > -- > /// Ti Kan Vorsprung durch Technik > /// AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA > /// ti at amb.org > ////// http://www.amb.org/ti/ > /// > > > - > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 18/04/03 From fidelman at telcel.net.ve Sun Apr 27 20:07:29 2003 From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman) Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 14:07:29 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi info!!! Message-ID: <000801c30ce7$e1f081c0$ac6523c8@g8nsv> Hi there everybody!!! I just want to know if you can give me Patty's email and phone number in Nakamichi USA... Thanks a lot Isy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From roleo at telus.net Sun Apr 27 20:48:18 2003 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 11:48:18 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi info!!! References: <000801c30ce7$e1f081c0$ac6523c8@g8nsv> Message-ID: <014901c30ced$91cbc960$0dd2b440@desktop> Here's the new Nakamichi USA Parts number: 310-392-1155 You have to ask for parts, which goes to Patty's line. ----- Original Message ----- From: Isy Fidelman To: Naktalk mailinglist Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2003 11:07 AM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi info!!! Hi there everybody!!! I just want to know if you can give me Patty's email and phone number in Nakamichi USA... Thanks a lot Isy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Tue Apr 29 11:05:42 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 11:05:42 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] A numbers Message-ID: <6119.212.78.179.234.1051607142.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Hi All, I was looking at the naks database and it seems i'm still missing some of the infamous 'A' numbers or model id's... So if anyone owns one of the following naks please look on the back on the serial number plate what number your nak has. 481Z 581Z 680 682ZX Cassette Deck 1 CR-4 DR-10 DR-8 ZX-5 The numbers are like 'a801' wich is the dragon. Thanks, Wouter From nicy at ya.com Tue Apr 29 11:20:51 2003 From: nicy at ya.com (JGascon) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 11:20:51 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] A numbers References: <6119.212.78.179.234.1051607142.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <002101c30e30$a359db60$8f2b3b50@PcComunero> CR4E----A131 Javier. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wouter Heijke" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 11:05 AM Subject: [naktalk] A numbers > Hi All, > > I was looking at the naks database and it seems i'm still missing some of > the infamous 'A' numbers or model id's... > So if anyone owns one of the following naks please look on the back on the > serial number plate what number your nak has. > > 481Z > 581Z > 680 > 682ZX > Cassette Deck 1 > CR-4 > DR-10 > DR-8 > ZX-5 > > The numbers are like 'a801' wich is the dragon. > > Thanks, > > Wouter > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Apr 29 18:08:57 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 23:08:57 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] mat not included =) Message-ID: <000c01c30e69$a4106a40$d3299bca@smarzuki> dragon ct turntable 2.5 days left: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3020278333&category=3283 cheers, salim sm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, Wouter ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Apr 29 19:27:48 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 00:27:48 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] A numbers References: <6119.212.78.179.234.1051607142.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <001801c30e74$a7e67780$91199bca@smarzuki> ZX5 = A126,7 682ZX = A122 cheers, salim sm ----- Original Message ----- From: Wouter Heijke To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 4:05 PM Subject: [naktalk] A numbers Hi All, I was looking at the naks database and it seems i'm still missing some of the infamous 'A' numbers or model id's... So if anyone owns one of the following naks please look on the back on the serial number plate what number your nak has. 481Z 581Z 680 682ZX Cassette Deck 1 CR-4 DR-10 DR-8 ZX-5 The numbers are like 'a801' wich is the dragon. Thanks, Wouter From bfvasil at attbi.com Tue Apr 29 20:36:35 2003 From: bfvasil at attbi.com (Bruno Vasil) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 14:36:35 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] A numbers In-Reply-To: <6119.212.78.179.234.1051607142.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <81AD5C89-7A71-11D7-9350-000A278D0B4E@attbi.com> The DR-10 = is "A139" Bruno, in Arlington,Mass. *********************** On Tuesday, April 29, 2003, at 05:05 AM, Wouter Heijke wrote: > Hi All, > > I was looking at the naks database and it seems i'm still missing some > of > the infamous 'A' numbers or model id's... > So if anyone owns one of the following naks please look on the back on > the > serial number plate what number your nak has. > > 481Z > 581Z > 680 > 682ZX > Cassette Deck 1 > CR-4 > DR-10 > DR-8 > ZX-5 > > The numbers are like 'a801' wich is the dragon. > > Thanks, > > Wouter > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------= > ======== > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------= > ======== > From Jo2jo64 at aol.com Wed Apr 30 04:24:07 2003 From: Jo2jo64 at aol.com (Jo2jo64 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 22:24:07 EDT Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nakamichi OMS-7AII Message-ID: <63.1c276d98.2be08dc7@aol.com> Repeat. Just in case I've missed someone out there that can help. > Hello everyone: > > I received the CD player I just purchased so I now have the complete C-7 > system. > so I am in Nakamichi heaven. > > The CD player sounds excellent, as I expected. The only problem I see is > the tray. It looks good and sturdy but it is noisy. Noisy but not squeaky > so I imagine it needs some lubricant to smooth-out the operation. > > Most of the gears are exposed so it should not be a difficult task to do at > least a partial job and see the results. > > Any suggestions? What kind of lubricant? or is this a job for a tech? > Any advice will be appreciated. > > Jose -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Jo2jo64 at aol.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi OMS-7AII Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 22:18:02 EDT Size: 1993 URL: From enoyes at snet.net Wed Apr 30 05:42:09 2003 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 23:42:09 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nakamichi OMS-7AII References: <63.1c276d98.2be08dc7@aol.com> Message-ID: <3EAF4611.4030501@snet.net> Hi Jose, My impression of the OMS-7 is that the tray mechanism simply tends to be a bit noisy to some degree... all the one's I've seen, including my own are like that. Ed Jo2jo64 at aol.com wrote: > Repeat. Just in case I've missed someone out there that can help. > >> Hello everyone: >> >> I received the CD player I just purchased so I now have the complete >> C-7 system. >> so I am in Nakamichi heaven. >> >> The CD player sounds excellent, as I expected. The only problem I see >> is the tray. It looks good and sturdy but it is noisy. Noisy but not >> squeaky so I imagine it needs some lubricant to smooth-out the operation. >> >> Most of the gears are exposed so it should not be a difficult task to >> do at least a partial job and see the results. >> >> Any suggestions? What kind of lubricant? or is this a job for a tech? >> Any advice will be appreciated. >> >> Jose > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi OMS-7AII > From: > Jo2jo64 at aol.com > Date: > Mon, 28 Apr 2003 22:18:02 EDT > To: > naktalk at naks.com > > > Hello everyone: > > I received the CD player I just purchased so I now have the complete > C-7 system. > so I am in Nakamichi heaven. > > The CD players sounds excellent, as I expected. The only problem I see > is the tray. It looks good and sturdy but it is noisy. Noisy but not > squeaky so I imagine it needs some lubricant to smooth-out the operation. > > Most of the gears are exposed so it should not be a difficult task to > do at least a partial job and see the results. > > Any suggestions? What kind of lubricant? or is this a job for a tech? > Any advice will be appreciated. > > Jose > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Apr 30 15:25:01 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 20:25:01 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nakamichi OMS-7AII References: <63.1c276d98.2be08dc7@aol.com> <3EAF4611.4030501@snet.net> Message-ID: <001501c30f1b$eff12dc0$a9299bca@smarzuki> Hi Jose, Same thing over here. My oms7II tray is very noisy, also the sound of spinning platter can be heard from the outside. On the other hand, i have 2 non working oms 7 (not ii) which tray move smoothly, very silent ... too bad there's also no noise coming out of RCAs. =) Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Ed Noyes To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Nakamichi OMS-7AII Hi Jose, My impression of the OMS-7 is that the tray mechanism simply tends to be a bit noisy to some degree... all the one's I've seen, including my own are like that. Ed Jo2jo64 at aol.com wrote: Repeat. Just in case I've missed someone out there that can help. Hello everyone: I received the CD player I just purchased so I now have the complete C-7 system. so I am in Nakamichi heaven. The CD player sounds excellent, as I expected. The only problem I see is the tray. It looks good and sturdy but it is noisy. Noisy but not squeaky so I imagine it needs some lubricant to smooth-out the operation. Most of the gears are exposed so it should not be a difficult task to do at least a partial job and see the results. Any suggestions? What kind of lubricant? or is this a job for a tech? Any advice will be appreciated. Jose From gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com Wed Apr 30 15:21:12 2003 From: gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com (gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 08:21:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Manual Nakamichi 1000ZXL Message-ID: I just purchased a BX-300 yesterday and now I need manuals! I have already deleted the naktalk digest that would have had the name and password info. Can someone relay that info or are there archives I can search? Gary ----------------------------------------------- >>If you're running Windows, you already have an ftp client. Just do this: Start -> Run In the dialog box, enter "ftp". When the ftp program window starts, type: open ftp.naks.com Then log in using the name and password that was posted in the earlier posting. You can then use the "dir" and "cd" commands to browse the files and directories, and if you find a file you want to download, type: get where is the name of the file you want to download. When you are done, exit the ftp client by giving the "bye" command. -Ti -- /// Ti Kan Vorsprung durch Technik /// AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA /// ti at amb.org ////// http://www.amb.org/ti/ /// -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Wed Apr 30 16:26:10 2003 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 16:26:10 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Manual Nakamichi 1000ZXL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030430162456.032a5600@box.tin.it> You can access the manual site using an ftp client . server: ftp.naks.com user: pdfdownloadguest password: n3r0 >< Ezio At 08.21 30/04/03 -0500, you wrote: >I just purchased a BX-300 yesterday and now I need manuals! I have already >deleted the naktalk digest that would have had the name and password info. >Can someone relay that info or are there archives I can search? > >Gary > >----------------------------------------------- > > >>If you're running Windows, you already have an ftp client. Just >do this: > >Start -> Run > >In the dialog box, enter "ftp". > >When the ftp program window starts, type: > >open ftp.naks.com > >Then log in using the name and password that was posted in the >earlier posting. > >You can then use the "dir" and "cd" commands to browse the files >and directories, and if you find a file you want to download, >type: > >get > >where is the name of the file you want to download. > >When you are done, exit the ftp client by giving the "bye" command. > >-Ti >-- > /// Ti Kan Vorsprung durch Technik > /// AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA > /// ti at amb.org >////// http://www.amb.org/ti/ >/// >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site http://www.lucenti.com My pages about digital photography From jmtooley at ce.net Wed Apr 30 16:31:53 2003 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 10:31:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 4 Blues - Nak Mics References: <5.2.1.1.2.20030423232502.00ac7200@box.tin.it><004301c309e1$bc18f670$923442cf@steve> <000001c30b0e$d11ea500$74418751@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <00ba01c30f25$3f0a1da0$6c106343@johnnyrotten> Terry, Would you have any Yamaha CT-7000 stuff available? Thanks, John T. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terence Finn" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 5:40 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 4 Blues - Nak Mics > > > Hi Steven > > Re the CM300's, how are powering them, as over here in the UK > the original Sony 7MR9(H-7D) 9.45V Mercury's are no longer available > ( the last one's bought were around £12 each) > Was toying with the idea of a a seperate phantom type power supply > any ideas /circuits you could point me at. > > If it helps and as a brief intro I was the UK Service and Tech manager for a > company called > Natural Sound Systems here in the UK from 76 to 81 handling > Nakamichi/Yamaha/Maxell and Pioneer > and have kept a large manual and paper archive and spares from that period + > collection of hardware. > Time I had a clear out. > I might just have something that you haver been looking for? > > Currently handling (among others) Wes Dooleys AEA ribbons over here > > regards > > Terry Finn > terry at affinityaudio.com > www.affinityaudio.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 10:46 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 4 Blues - Nak Mics > > > > I've picked up several nice CM300 mics recently for under $75 each, and > even > > as little as $35. They just happen to be labeled Teac/Tascam ME120 & > PE120, > > or Primo EMU4520. Primo was the real manufacturer of all of the Nak CM > > series mics, except for the CM1000, which was a standard condenser mic, > > rather than an electret condenser. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Talking Dog Transducer Company > > http://stephensank.com > > 5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] > > 505-332-0336 > > Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer > > Payments preferred through Paypal.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ezio" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 3:26 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] 4 Blues - Nak Mics > > > > > > > Blues ... I have also bought a 550 ... and I am looking for the mics , > but > > > the following auction is too expensive for me ... if you would like ... > > > > > > 3 Nakamichi CM-300 microphones w/CP1, 2 caps. > > > Item # 2525813500 > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely > > > > > > Ezio Lucenti > > > > > > Ezio's e-photography site http://www.lucenti.com > > > > > > My pages about digital photography > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > From jvbrhg at seanet.com Wed Apr 30 16:52:21 2003 From: jvbrhg at seanet.com (Babin/Greseth) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 07:52:21 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Manual Nakamichi 1000ZXL References: <5.2.1.1.2.20030430162456.032a5600@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <002301c30f28$1ae79940$fb1a0cd0@j2h5b3> Ezio- Couldn't make this sign in. When I put the password in, the sign in box disappears and then reappears with no results. Can you help please? Randall ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ezio" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 07:26 Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manual Nakamichi 1000ZXL > You can access the manual site using an ftp client . > > server: ftp.naks.com > user: pdfdownloadguest > password: n3r0 > > >< > > Ezio > At 08.21 30/04/03 -0500, you wrote: > > >I just purchased a BX-300 yesterday and now I need manuals! I have already > >deleted the naktalk digest that would have had the name and password info. > >Can someone relay that info or are there archives I can search? > > > >Gary > > > >----------------------------------------------- > > > > >>If you're running Windows, you already have an ftp client. Just > >do this: > > > >Start -> Run > > > >In the dialog box, enter "ftp". > > > >When the ftp program window starts, type: > > > >open ftp.naks.com > > > >Then log in using the name and password that was posted in the > >earlier posting. > > > >You can then use the "dir" and "cd" commands to browse the files > >and directories, and if you find a file you want to download, > >type: > > > >get > > > >where is the name of the file you want to download. > > > >When you are done, exit the ftp client by giving the "bye" command. > > > >-Ti > >-- > > /// Ti Kan Vorsprung durch Technik > > /// AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA > > /// ti at amb.org > >////// http://www.amb.org/ti/ > >/// > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >To maintain your account please go here: > >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > > Sincerely > > Ezio Lucenti > > Ezio's e-photography site http://www.lucenti.com > > My pages about digital photography > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > From jvbrhg at seanet.com Wed Apr 30 16:54:57 2003 From: jvbrhg at seanet.com (Babin/Greseth) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 07:54:57 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Selling Nak Stuff... Message-ID: <003001c30f28$77c7d800$fb1a0cd0@j2h5b3> I have a Nak outboard Dolby B and C unit, never used, that I would like to sell. Where's a good place to sell it other than Ebay? Randall in Seattle -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mwhipple at charter.net Wed Apr 30 17:13:47 2003 From: mwhipple at charter.net (Matthew Whipple) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 11:13:47 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Selling Nak Stuff... References: <003001c30f28$77c7d800$fb1a0cd0@j2h5b3> Message-ID: <00f301c30f2b$198d3200$7f056799@nat67369> Try www.audiogon.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Babin/Greseth To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 10:54 AM Subject: [naktalk] Selling Nak Stuff... I have a Nak outboard Dolby B and C unit, never used, that I would like to sell. Where's a good place to sell it other than Ebay? 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Where's a good place to sell it other than Ebay? > > Randall in Seattle > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Try http://www.audiogon.com/ -- Ron From jmtooley at ce.net Wed Apr 30 17:45:57 2003 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 11:45:57 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Selling Nak Stuff... References: <003001c30f28$77c7d800$fb1a0cd0@j2h5b3> Message-ID: <034901c30f2f$97c474e0$6c106343@johnnyrotten> How much are you asking? Thanks, John ----- Original Message ----- From: Babin/Greseth To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 10:54 AM Subject: [naktalk] Selling Nak Stuff... I have a Nak outboard Dolby B and C unit, never used, that I would like to sell. Where's a good place to sell it other than Ebay? Randall in Seattle ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Apr 30 17:46:16 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 11:46:16 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Selling Nak Stuff... References: <003001c30f28$77c7d800$fb1a0cd0@j2h5b3> Message-ID: <3EAFEFC8.5A053C63@rcn.com> > Babin/Greseth wrote: > > I have a Nak outboard Dolby B and C unit, never used, that I would like to > sell. Where's a good place to sell it other than Ebay? > > Randall in Seattle > Ooooops... Mea culpa. The URL is: http://cgi.audiogon.com/ -- Ron From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Wed Apr 30 20:08:04 2003 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 20:08:04 +0200 Subject: UCE Complaint (RE: [naktalk] Manual Nakamichi 1000ZXL) In-Reply-To: <3EACFC89002C255B@smtp6.cp.tin.it> (added by postmaster@virgilio.it) Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030430200603.03765b40@box.tin.it> Brother John Fok , what are you talking about ? I was answering to Graham's question on a PRIVATE MAIL-LIST ... what are you talking about ? What's the matter ? Ezio At 17.35 30/04/03 +0200, you wrote: >You have sent the attached unsolicited e-mail to my >e-mail account. > >I do not wish to receive such messages in the future. >Please remove my name from your lists immediately. > > >--===============36242521179041587== >Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" > >I suggest WS-FTP by www.ipswitch.com or CuteFTP or BPFTP (Bullet Proof FTP) . > >Ciao > >Ezio > >At 22.23 26/04/03 +0100, you wrote: >>Thanks Ron and Isy >> >>Marc kindly downloaded it from the site and sent it to me. >> >>Any recommendations for a ftp client? >> >>Graham >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >> > Behalf Of Ron >> > Sent: 26 April 2003 19:46 >> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manual Nakamichi 1000ZXL >> > >> > >> > >> > I have the owner manual, downloaded from the support site. Will be >> > happy to email it to you, but be aware that it's 2.5MB. Let me know >> > if you want it. >> > >> > Have a nice weekend, >> > >> > -- Ron >> > >> > >> > > Graham Nelson wrote: >> > > >> > > Guys/Wouter >> > > >> > > A friend of mine has obtained one of these lovely lovely decks. >> > (The lucky >> > > blighter! I shall ingratiate myself into his good books so >> > that he might >> > > leave it to me in his Will ... then we can have a funeral! Ho! >> > Ho! ) Does >> > > anyone have a user manual/service manual you could copy and send to me, >> > > please? (Don't tell me I can download one from the site >> > because, for some >> > > unknown reason, it doesn't work for lil' hairy Graham.) >> > > >> > > Many thanks >> > > >> > > Graham >> > > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >> > > Behalf Of Graham Nelson >> > > Sent: 26 April 2003 10:35 >> > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Manual 4 480 .... Ezio >> > > >> > > Ezio >> > > >> > > This is what Wouter sent me the other day - see if it works for >> > > you. It doesn't for me. >> > > >> > > >> > > server: ftp.naks.com >> > > >> > > user: pdfdownloadguest >> > > >> > > password: n3r0 >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Graham >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com >> > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ezio >> > > Sent: 26 April 2003 08:41 >> > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manual 4 480 .... >> > > >> > > Wouter , how can I access the site ? >> > > PLEASE ! >> > > >> > > Thanks >> > > >> > > Ezio >> > > >> > > At 09.22 25/04/03 +0200, you wrote: >> > > >> > > > FYI: It is available for download. >> > > > >> > > > Wouter >> > > > >> > > > > Is anybody interested to the owner manual for the >> > > > 480 ? >> > > > > I can scan it if you want ... just tell me , please. >> > > > > >> > > > > Sincerely >> > > > > >> > > > > Ezio Lucenti >> > > > > >> > > > > Ezio's e-photography site http://www.lucenti.com >> > > > > >> > > > > My pages about digital photography >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------- >> > --------========= >> > > > > Naktalk at naks.com >> > > > mailinglist >> > > > > To maintain your account please go here: >> > > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > > > > >> > > > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------- >> > --------========= >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------- >> > --------========= >> > > > Naktalk at naks.com >> > > > mailinglist >> > > > To maintain your account please go here: >> > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > > > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------- >> > --------========= >> > > > >> > > >> > > Sincerely >> > > >> > > Ezio Lucenti >> > > >> > > Ezio's e-photography site http://www.lucenti.com >> > > >> > > My pages about digital photography >> > > >> > > >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------- >> > --------========= >> > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> > > To maintain your account please go here: >> > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > > >> > > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------- >> > --------========= >> > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------- >> > --------========= >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> > To maintain your account please go here: >> > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------- >> > --------========= >> > >> > --- >> > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >> > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >> > Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 18/04/03 >> > >>--- >>Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >>Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 18/04/03 >> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>To maintain your account please go here: >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > >Sincerely > >Ezio Lucenti > >Ezio's e-photography site http://www.lucenti.com > >My pages about digital photography > >--===============36242521179041587== >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Content-Disposition: inline > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > >--===============36242521179041587==-- Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site http://www.lucenti.com My pages about digital photography From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Apr 30 20:37:39 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 19:37:39 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Ezio In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20030430200603.03765b40@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <003d01c30f47$942a4a40$3c61893e@oemcomputer> Hi Ezio I got the same e-mail from Brother John Fok. I was wondering if he'd got onto the NakList. Graham > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Ezio > Sent: 30 April 2003 19:08 > To: Brother John Fok; naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: UCE Complaint (RE: [naktalk] Manual Nakamichi 1000ZXL) > > > Brother John Fok , what are you talking about ? > I was answering to Graham's question on a PRIVATE MAIL-LIST ... what are > you talking about ? What's the matter ? > > Ezio > > At 17.35 30/04/03 +0200, you wrote: > >You have sent the attached unsolicited e-mail to my > >e-mail account. > > > >I do not wish to receive such messages in the future. > >Please remove my name from your lists immediately. > > > > > >--===============36242521179041587== > >Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" > > > >I suggest WS-FTP by www.ipswitch.com or CuteFTP or BPFTP (Bullet > Proof FTP) . > > > >Ciao > > > >Ezio > > > >At 22.23 26/04/03 +0100, you wrote: > >>Thanks Ron and Isy > >> > >>Marc kindly downloaded it from the site and sent it to me. > >> > >>Any recommendations for a ftp client? > >> > >>Graham > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > >> > Behalf Of Ron > >> > Sent: 26 April 2003 19:46 > >> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manual Nakamichi 1000ZXL > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > I have the owner manual, downloaded from the support site. Will be > >> > happy to email it to you, but be aware that it's 2.5MB. Let me know > >> > if you want it. > >> > > >> > Have a nice weekend, > >> > > >> > -- Ron > >> > > >> > > >> > > Graham Nelson wrote: > >> > > > >> > > Guys/Wouter > >> > > > >> > > A friend of mine has obtained one of these lovely lovely decks. > >> > (The lucky > >> > > blighter! I shall ingratiate myself into his good books so > >> > that he might > >> > > leave it to me in his Will ... then we can have a funeral! Ho! > >> > Ho! ) Does > >> > > anyone have a user manual/service manual you could copy > and send to me, > >> > > please? (Don't tell me I can download one from the site > >> > because, for some > >> > > unknown reason, it doesn't work for lil' hairy Graham.) > >> > > > >> > > Many thanks > >> > > > >> > > Graham > >> > > > >> > > -----Original Message----- > >> > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > >> > > Behalf Of Graham Nelson > >> > > Sent: 26 April 2003 10:35 > >> > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >> > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Manual 4 480 .... Ezio > >> > > > >> > > Ezio > >> > > > >> > > This is what Wouter sent me the other day - see if it > works for > >> > > you. It doesn't for me. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > server: ftp.naks.com > >> > > > >> > > user: pdfdownloadguest > >> > > > >> > > password: n3r0 > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Graham > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > -----Original Message----- > >> > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > >> > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ezio > >> > > Sent: 26 April 2003 08:41 > >> > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manual 4 480 .... > >> > > > >> > > Wouter , how can I access the site ? > >> > > PLEASE ! > >> > > > >> > > Thanks > >> > > > >> > > Ezio > >> > > > >> > > At 09.22 25/04/03 +0200, you wrote: > >> > > > >> > > > FYI: It is available for download. > >> > > > > >> > > > Wouter > >> > > > > >> > > > > Is anybody interested to the owner manual for the > >> > > > 480 ? > >> > > > > I can scan it if you want ... just tell me , please. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Sincerely > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Ezio Lucenti > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Ezio's e-photography site http://www.lucenti.com > >> > > > > > >> > > > > My pages about digital photography > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > >> > --------========= > >> > > > > Naktalk at naks.com > >> > > > mailinglist > >> > > > > To maintain your account please go here: > >> > > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > >> > --------========= > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > >> > --------========= > >> > > > Naktalk at naks.com > >> > > > mailinglist > >> > > > To maintain your account please go here: > >> > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > > > > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > >> > --------========= > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > Sincerely > >> > > > >> > > Ezio Lucenti > >> > > > >> > > Ezio's e-photography site http://www.lucenti.com > >> > > > >> > > My pages about digital photography > >> > > > >> > > > >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > > > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > >> > --------========= > >> > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> > > To maintain your account please go here: > >> > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > > > >> > > > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > >> > --------========= > >> > > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > >> > --------========= > >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> > To maintain your account please go here: > >> > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > >> > --------========= > >> > > >> > --- > >> > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > >> > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >> > Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 18/04/03 > >> > > >>--- > >>Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > >>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >>Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 18/04/03 > >> > >>========-------------------------------------------------------- ----------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>To maintain your account please go here: > >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>========-------------------------------------------------------- ----------========= > >> > > > > > >Sincerely > > > >Ezio Lucenti > > > >Ezio's e-photography site http://www.lucenti.com > > > >My pages about digital photography > > > >--===============36242521179041587== > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Content-Disposition: inline > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ---------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >To maintain your account please go here: > >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ---------========= > > > >--===============36242521179041587==-- > > > Sincerely > > Ezio Lucenti > > Ezio's e-photography site http://www.lucenti.com > > My pages about digital photography > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 18/04/03 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 18/04/03 From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Wed Apr 30 21:16:20 2003 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 21:16:20 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Ezio In-Reply-To: <003d01c30f47$942a4a40$3c61893e@oemcomputer> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20030430200603.03765b40@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030430211305.03311280@box.tin.it> Graham , in facts I'm suspecting he is NOT on our list , but somehow he is receiving the mails ... I am almost sure to be ''virus free'' .... when strangers to the receivers of a mail message are receiving mails , ordinarily, it means some computer is infected with some Outlook-worm ... But ... I am almost sure to be virus free (Norton AV ... latest update) Graham lòets forget it for the time being . Ezio At 19.37 30/04/03 +0100, you wrote: >Hi Ezio > >I got the same e-mail from Brother John Fok. I was wondering if he'd got >onto the NakList. > >Graham > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Ezio > > Sent: 30 April 2003 19:08 > > To: Brother John Fok; naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: UCE Complaint (RE: [naktalk] Manual Nakamichi 1000ZXL) > > > > > > Brother John Fok , what are you talking about ? > > I was answering to Graham's question on a PRIVATE MAIL-LIST ... what are > > you talking about ? What's the matter ? > > > > Ezio > > > > At 17.35 30/04/03 +0200, you wrote: > > >You have sent the attached unsolicited e-mail to my > > >e-mail account. > > > > > >I do not wish to receive such messages in the future. > > >Please remove my name from your lists immediately. > > > > > > > > >--===============36242521179041587== > > >Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" > > > > > >I suggest WS-FTP by www.ipswitch.com or CuteFTP or BPFTP (Bullet > > Proof FTP) . > > > > > >Ciao > > > > > >Ezio > > > > > >At 22.23 26/04/03 +0100, you wrote: > > >>Thanks Ron and Isy > > >> > > >>Marc kindly downloaded it from the site and sent it to me. > > >> > > >>Any recommendations for a ftp client? > > >> > > >>Graham > > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > > >> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > >> > Behalf Of Ron > > >> > Sent: 26 April 2003 19:46 > > >> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manual Nakamichi 1000ZXL > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > I have the owner manual, downloaded from the support site. Will be > > >> > happy to email it to you, but be aware that it's 2.5MB. Let me know > > >> > if you want it. > > >> > > > >> > Have a nice weekend, > > >> > > > >> > -- Ron > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > >> > > > > >> > > Guys/Wouter > > >> > > > > >> > > A friend of mine has obtained one of these lovely lovely decks. > > >> > (The lucky > > >> > > blighter! I shall ingratiate myself into his good books so > > >> > that he might > > >> > > leave it to me in his Will ... then we can have a funeral! Ho! > > >> > Ho! ) Does > > >> > > anyone have a user manual/service manual you could copy > > and send to me, > > >> > > please? (Don't tell me I can download one from the site > > >> > because, for some > > >> > > unknown reason, it doesn't work for lil' hairy Graham.) > > >> > > > > >> > > Many thanks > > >> > > > > >> > > Graham > > >> > > > > >> > > -----Original Message----- > > >> > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > >> > > Behalf Of Graham Nelson > > >> > > Sent: 26 April 2003 10:35 > > >> > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >> > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Manual 4 480 .... Ezio > > >> > > > > >> > > Ezio > > >> > > > > >> > > This is what Wouter sent me the other day - see if it > > works for > > >> > > you. It doesn't for me. > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > server: ftp.naks.com > > >> > > > > >> > > user: pdfdownloadguest > > >> > > > > >> > > password: n3r0 > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > Graham > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > -----Original Message----- > > >> > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > >> > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ezio > > >> > > Sent: 26 April 2003 08:41 > > >> > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manual 4 480 .... > > >> > > > > >> > > Wouter , how can I access the site ? > > >> > > PLEASE ! > > >> > > > > >> > > Thanks > > >> > > > > >> > > Ezio > > >> > > > > >> > > At 09.22 25/04/03 +0200, you wrote: > > >> > > > > >> > > > FYI: It is available for download. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Wouter > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Is anybody interested to the owner manual for the > > >> > > > 480 ? > > >> > > > > I can scan it if you want ... just tell me , please. > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > Sincerely > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > Ezio Lucenti > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > Ezio's e-photography site http://www.lucenti.com > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > My pages about digital photography > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > >> > --------========= > > >> > > > > Naktalk at naks.com > > >> > > > mailinglist > > >> > > > > To maintain your account please go here: > > >> > > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > >> > --------========= > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > >> > --------========= > > >> > > > Naktalk at naks.com > > >> > > > mailinglist > > >> > > > To maintain your account please go here: > > >> > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >> > > > > > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > >> > --------========= > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > Sincerely > > >> > > > > >> > > Ezio Lucenti > > >> > > > > >> > > Ezio's e-photography site http://www.lucenti.com > > >> > > > > >> > > My pages about digital photography > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> > > > > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > >> > --------========= > > >> > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >> > > To maintain your account please go here: > > >> > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > >> > --------========= > > >> > > > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > >> > --------========= > > >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >> > To maintain your account please go here: > > >> > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > >> > --------========= > > >> > > > >> > --- > > >> > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > > >> > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > >> > Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 18/04/03 > > >> > > > >>--- > > >>Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > >>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > >>Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 18/04/03 > > >> > > >>========-------------------------------------------------------- >----------========= > > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >>To maintain your account please go here: > > >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >>========-------------------------------------------------------- >----------========= > > >> > > > > > > > > >Sincerely > > > > > >Ezio Lucenti > > > > > >Ezio's e-photography site http://www.lucenti.com > > > > > >My pages about digital photography > > > > > >--===============36242521179041587== > > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > >Content-Disposition: inline > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ---------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >To maintain your account please go here: > > >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ---------========= > > > > > >--===============36242521179041587==-- > > > > > > Sincerely > > > > Ezio Lucenti > > > > Ezio's e-photography site http://www.lucenti.com > > > > My pages about digital photography > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------========= > > > > --- > > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 18/04/03 > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 18/04/03 > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site http://www.lucenti.com My pages about digital photography From timbarrett at cox.net Wed Apr 30 21:13:05 2003 From: timbarrett at cox.net (timbarrett at cox.net) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 15:13:05 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Ezio In-Reply-To: <003d01c30f47$942a4a40$3c61893e@oemcomputer> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20030430200603.03765b40@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <3EAFE801.15261.E74EDE5@localhost> Yes, I got it too. He must have become attached to the list somehow. This may be a job for Wouter. I searched all of my addressbooks and can't find a Brother Jon Fok anywhere. On 30 Apr 2003 at 19:37, Graham Nelson wrote: > Hi Ezio > > I got the same e-mail from Brother John Fok. I was wondering if he'd > got onto the NakList. > > Graham > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Ezio Sent: 30 April 2003 19:08 To: Brother John Fok; > > naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: UCE Complaint (RE: [naktalk] Manual > > Nakamichi 1000ZXL) > > > > > > Brother John Fok , what are you talking about ? > > I was answering to Graham's question on a PRIVATE MAIL-LIST ... what > > are you talking about ? What's the matter ? > > > > Ezio > > > > At 17.35 30/04/03 +0200, you wrote: > > >You have sent the attached unsolicited e-mail to my > > >e-mail account. > > > > > >I do not wish to receive such messages in the future. > > >Please remove my name from your lists immediately. > > > > > > > > >--===============36242521179041587== > > >Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" > > > > > >I suggest WS-FTP by www.ipswitch.com or CuteFTP or BPFTP (Bullet > > Proof FTP) . > > > > > >Ciao > > > > > >Ezio > > > > > >At 22.23 26/04/03 +0100, you wrote: > > >>Thanks Ron and Isy > > >> > > >>Marc kindly downloaded it from the site and sent it to me. > > >> > > >>Any recommendations for a ftp client? > > >> > > >>Graham > > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > > >> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > >> > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: 26 > > >> > April 2003 19:46 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manual Nakamichi 1000ZXL > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > I have the owner manual, downloaded from the support site. Will > > >> > be happy to email it to you, but be aware that it's 2.5MB. Let > > >> > me know if you want it. > > >> > > > >> > Have a nice weekend, > > >> > > > >> > -- Ron > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > >> > > > > >> > > Guys/Wouter > > >> > > > > >> > > A friend of mine has obtained one of these lovely lovely > > >> > > decks. > > >> > (The lucky > > >> > > blighter! I shall ingratiate myself into his good books so > > >> > that he might > > >> > > leave it to me in his Will ... then we can have a funeral! > > >> > > Ho! > > >> > Ho! ) Does > > >> > > anyone have a user manual/service manual you could copy > > and send to me, > > >> > > please? (Don't tell me I can download one from the site > > >> > because, for some > > >> > > unknown reason, it doesn't work for lil' hairy Graham.) > > >> > > > > >> > > Many thanks > > >> > > > > >> > > Graham > > >> > > > > >> > > -----Original Message----- > > >> > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > >> > > Behalf Of Graham Nelson > > >> > > Sent: 26 April 2003 10:35 > > >> > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >> > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Manual 4 480 .... Ezio > > >> > > > > >> > > Ezio > > >> > > > > >> > > This is what Wouter sent me the other day - see if it > > works for > > >> > > you. It doesn't for me. > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > server: ftp.naks.com > > >> > > > > >> > > user: pdfdownloadguest > > >> > > > > >> > > password: n3r0 > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > Graham > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > -----Original Message----- > > >> > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > >> > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ezio > > >> > > Sent: 26 April 2003 08:41 To: Talk about Nakamichi > > >> > > Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manual 4 480 > > >> > > .... > > >> > > > > >> > > Wouter , how can I access the site ? > > >> > > PLEASE ! > > >> > > > > >> > > Thanks > > >> > > > > >> > > Ezio > > >> > > > > >> > > At 09.22 25/04/03 +0200, you wrote: > > >> > > > > >> > > > FYI: It is available for download. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Wouter > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Is anybody interested to the owner manual for > > >> > > > > the > > >> > > > 480 ? > > >> > > > > I can scan it if you want ... just tell me , > > >> > > > > please. > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > Sincerely > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > Ezio Lucenti > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > Ezio's e-photography site > > >> > > > > http://www.lucenti.com > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > My pages about digital photography > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > ========------------------------------------------------------- > > >> > --- --------========= > > >> > > > > Naktalk at naks.com > > >> > > > mailinglist > > >> > > > > To maintain your account please go here: > > >> > > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > ========------------------------------------------------------- > > >> > --- --------========= > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > ========------------------------------------------------------- > > >> > --- --------========= > > >> > > > Naktalk at naks.com > > >> > > > mailinglist > > >> > > > To maintain your account please go here: > > >> > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >> > > > > > >> > ========------------------------------------------------------- > > >> > --- --------========= > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > Sincerely > > >> > > > > >> > > Ezio Lucenti > > >> > > > > >> > > Ezio's e-photography site http://www.lucenti.com > > >> > > > > >> > > My pages about digital photography > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> > ------ > > >> > > > > >> > ========------------------------------------------------------- > > >> > --- --------========= > > >> > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >> > > To maintain your account please go here: > > >> > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > ========------------------------------------------------------- > > >> > --- --------========= > > >> > > > >> > ========------------------------------------------------------- > > >> > --- --------========= > > >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >> > To maintain your account please go here: > > >> > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >> > ========------------------------------------------------------- > > >> > --- --------========= > > >> > > > >> > --- > > >> > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > > >> > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > >> > Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 18/04/03 > > >> > > > >>--- > > >>Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > >>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > >>Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 18/04/03 > > >> > > >>========-------------------------------------------------------- > ----------========= > > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >>To maintain your account please go here: > > >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >>========-------------------------------------------------------- > ----------========= > > >> > > > > > > > > >Sincerely > > > > > >Ezio Lucenti > > > > > >Ezio's e-photography site http://www.lucenti.com > > > > > >My pages about digital photography > > > > > >--===============36242521179041587== > > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > >Content-Disposition: inline > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ---------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >To maintain your account please go here: > > >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ---------========= > > > > > >--===============36242521179041587==-- > > > > > > Sincerely > > > > Ezio Lucenti > > > > Ezio's e-photography site http://www.lucenti.com > > > > My pages about digital photography > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------========= > > > > --- > > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 18/04/03 > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 18/04/03 > > ========-------------------------------------------------------------- > ----========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========-------------------------------------------------------------- > ----========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Apr 30 21:21:29 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 15:21:29 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Ezio References: <003d01c30f47$942a4a40$3c61893e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3EB02239.1FB656C5@rcn.com> I got the same email form The Brother. I replied appropriately. Hopefully, he'll do the right thing, such as unsubscribe (or, at least, stop bothering us). -- Ron Graham Nelson wrote: > > Hi Ezio > > I got the same e-mail from Brother John Fok. I was wondering if he'd got > onto the NakList. > > Graham > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Ezio > > Sent: 30 April 2003 19:08 > > To: Brother John Fok; naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: UCE Complaint (RE: [naktalk] Manual Nakamichi 1000ZXL) > > > > > > Brother John Fok , what are you talking about ? > > I was answering to Graham's question on a PRIVATE MAIL-LIST ... what are > > you talking about ? What's the matter ? > > > > Ezio > > > > At 17.35 30/04/03 +0200, you wrote: > > >You have sent the attached unsolicited e-mail to my > > >e-mail account. > > > > > >I do not wish to receive such messages in the future. > > >Please remove my name from your lists immediately. > > > > > > > > >--===============36242521179041587== > > >Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" > > > > > >I suggest WS-FTP by www.ipswitch.com or CuteFTP or BPFTP (Bullet > > Proof FTP) . > > > > > >Ciao > > > > > >Ezio > > > > > >At 22.23 26/04/03 +0100, you wrote: > > >>Thanks Ron and Isy > > >> > > >>Marc kindly downloaded it from the site and sent it to me. > > >> > > >>Any recommendations for a ftp client? > > >> > > >>Graham > > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > > >> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > >> > Behalf Of Ron > > >> > Sent: 26 April 2003 19:46 > > >> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manual Nakamichi 1000ZXL > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > I have the owner manual, downloaded from the support site. Will be > > >> > happy to email it to you, but be aware that it's 2.5MB. Let me know > > >> > if you want it. > > >> > > > >> > Have a nice weekend, > > >> > > > >> > -- Ron > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > >> > > > > >> > > Guys/Wouter > > >> > > > > >> > > A friend of mine has obtained one of these lovely lovely decks. > > >> > (The lucky > > >> > > blighter! I shall ingratiate myself into his good books so > > >> > that he might > > >> > > leave it to me in his Will ... then we can have a funeral! Ho! > > >> > Ho! ) Does > > >> > > anyone have a user manual/service manual you could copy > > and send to me, > > >> > > please? (Don't tell me I can download one from the site > > >> > because, for some > > >> > > unknown reason, it doesn't work for lil' hairy Graham.) > > >> > > > > >> > > Many thanks > > >> > > > > >> > > Graham > > >> > > > > >> > > -----Original Message----- > > >> > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > >> > > Behalf Of Graham Nelson > > >> > > Sent: 26 April 2003 10:35 > > >> > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >> > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Manual 4 480 .... Ezio > > >> > > > > >> > > Ezio > > >> > > > > >> > > This is what Wouter sent me the other day - see if it > > works for > > >> > > you. It doesn't for me. > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > server: ftp.naks.com > > >> > > > > >> > > user: pdfdownloadguest > > >> > > > > >> > > password: n3r0 > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > Graham > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > -----Original Message----- > > >> > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > >> > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ezio > > >> > > Sent: 26 April 2003 08:41 > > >> > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manual 4 480 .... > > >> > > > > >> > > Wouter , how can I access the site ? > > >> > > PLEASE ! > > >> > > > > >> > > Thanks > > >> > > > > >> > > Ezio > > >> > > > > >> > > At 09.22 25/04/03 +0200, you wrote: > > >> > > > > >> > > > FYI: It is available for download. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Wouter > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Is anybody interested to the owner manual for the > > >> > > > 480 ? > > >> > > > > I can scan it if you want ... just tell me , please. > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > Sincerely > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > Ezio Lucenti > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > Ezio's e-photography site http://www.lucenti.com > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > My pages about digital photography > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > >> > --------========= > > >> > > > > Naktalk at naks.com > > >> > > > mailinglist > > >> > > > > To maintain your account please go here: > > >> > > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > >> > --------========= > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > >> > --------========= > > >> > > > Naktalk at naks.com > > >> > > > mailinglist > > >> > > > To maintain your account please go here: > > >> > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >> > > > > > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > >> > --------========= > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > Sincerely > > >> > > > > >> > > Ezio Lucenti > > >> > > > > >> > > Ezio's e-photography site http://www.lucenti.com > > >> > > > > >> > > My pages about digital photography > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> > > > > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > >> > --------========= > > >> > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >> > > To maintain your account please go here: > > >> > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > >> > --------========= > > >> > > > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > >> > --------========= > > >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >> > To maintain your account please go here: > > >> > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > >> > --------========= > > >> > > > >> > --- > > >> > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > > >> > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > >> > Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 18/04/03 > > >> > > > >>--- > > >>Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > >>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > >>Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 18/04/03 > > >> > > >>========-------------------------------------------------------- > ----------========= > > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >>To maintain your account please go here: > > >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >>========-------------------------------------------------------- > ----------========= > > >> > > > > > > > > >Sincerely > > > > > >Ezio Lucenti > > > > > >Ezio's e-photography site http://www.lucenti.com > > > > > >My pages about digital photography > > > > > >--===============36242521179041587== > > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > >Content-Disposition: inline > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ---------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >To maintain your account please go here: > > >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ---------========= > > > > > >--===============36242521179041587==-- > > > > > > Sincerely > > > > Ezio Lucenti > > > > Ezio's e-photography site http://www.lucenti.com > > > > My pages about digital photography > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------========= > > > > --- > > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 18/04/03 > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 18/04/03 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tpfinn at btinternet.com Wed Apr 30 21:38:03 2003 From: Tpfinn at btinternet.com (Terence Finn) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 20:38:03 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 4 Blues - Nak Mics References: <5.2.1.1.2.20030423232502.00ac7200@box.tin.it><004301c309e1$bc18f670$923442cf@steve><000001c30b0e$d11ea500$74418751@oemcomputer> <00ba01c30f25$3f0a1da0$6c106343@johnnyrotten> Message-ID: <005101c30f50$0d216ac0$944a8751@oemcomputer> Hi John Will have to have a dig but should have manuals, and service updates and possibly some very narrow IF filters that we used to improve reception in certain areas of the UK (increases the THD though, wide remains the same) not a plug and play, as complete alignment is needed regards Terry ( I wonder who will shout Off Topic first!!!) ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Tooley" To: "Terence Finn" ; "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 4 Blues - Nak Mics Terry, Would you have any Yamaha CT-7000 stuff available? Thanks, John T. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terence Finn" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 5:40 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 4 Blues - Nak Mics > > > Hi Steven > > Re the CM300's, how are powering them, as over here in the UK > the original Sony 7MR9(H-7D) 9.45V Mercury's are no longer available > ( the last one's bought were around £12 each) > Was toying with the idea of a a seperate phantom type power supply > any ideas /circuits you could point me at. > > If it helps and as a brief intro I was the UK Service and Tech manager for a > company called > Natural Sound Systems here in the UK from 76 to 81 handling > Nakamichi/Yamaha/Maxell and Pioneer > and have kept a large manual and paper archive and spares from that period + > collection of hardware. > Time I had a clear out. > I might just have something that you haver been looking for? > > Currently handling (among others) Wes Dooleys AEA ribbons over here > > regards > > Terry Finn > terry at affinityaudio.com > www.affinityaudio.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 10:46 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 4 Blues - Nak Mics > > > > I've picked up several nice CM300 mics recently for under $75 each, and > even > > as little as $35. They just happen to be labeled Teac/Tascam ME120 & > PE120, > > or Primo EMU4520. Primo was the real manufacturer of all of the Nak CM > > series mics, except for the CM1000, which was a standard condenser mic, > > rather than an electret condenser. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Talking Dog Transducer Company > > http://stephensank.com > > 5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] > > 505-332-0336 > > Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer > > Payments preferred through Paypal.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ezio" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 3:26 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] 4 Blues - Nak Mics > > > > > > > Blues ... I have also bought a 550 ... and I am looking for the mics , > but > > > the following auction is too expensive for me ... if you would like ... > > > > > > 3 Nakamichi CM-300 microphones w/CP1, 2 caps. > > > Item # 2525813500 > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely > > > > > > Ezio Lucenti > > > > > > Ezio's e-photography site http://www.lucenti.com > > > > > > My pages about digital photography > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2003\2003-5.txt ************************************************************************ From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Thu May 1 06:21:22 2003 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 06:21:22 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Manual Nakamichi 1000ZXL In-Reply-To: <002301c30f28$1ae79940$fb1a0cd0@j2h5b3> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20030430162456.032a5600@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030501061635.03704ca0@box.tin.it> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu May 1 11:28:42 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 16:28:42 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Ezio References: <5.2.1.1.2.20030430200603.03765b40@box.tin.it> <5.2.1.1.2.20030430211305.03311280@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <002601c30fc4$2b028d20$e5299bca@smarzuki> yup, for the time being Fok Brother John ............ sorry !!!!! can't resist. =) cheers, salim sm ----- Original Message ----- From: Ezio Graham lòets forget it for the time being . Ezio At 19.37 30/04/03 +0100, you wrote: >Hi Ezio > >I got the same e-mail from Brother John Fok. I was wondering if he'd got >onto the NakList. > >Graham > From jvbrhg at seanet.com Thu May 1 15:52:25 2003 From: jvbrhg at seanet.com (Babin/Greseth) Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 06:52:25 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Manual Nakamichi 1000ZXL References: <5.2.1.1.2.20030430162456.032a5600@box.tin.it> <5.2.1.1.2.20030501061635.03704ca0@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <006a01c30fe8$e5b0bba0$341b0cd0@j2h5b3> Ezio- Thanks for all your help. I'm not the most experienced user!! I get a response- 530 logon incorrect. Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: Ezio To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 21:21 Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manual Nakamichi 1000ZXL Ok Randall , which FTP client are you using ? I guess you are trying to connect with Internet Explorer by MicroSoft . IE doesn't work for me . I connected using WS FTP client , but CuteFTP , BP FTP or any other dedicated FTP client should work . Go to http://www.ipswitch.com/_download/main.asp?product=WS-0000 and get a 30 days free evaluation copy of WS FTP and try to connect with it . Please, let me know the results Ezio At 07.52 30/04/03 -0700, you wrote: Ezio- Couldn't make this sign in. When I put the password in, the sign in box disappears and then reappears with no results. Can you help please? Randall ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ezio" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 07:26 Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manual Nakamichi 1000ZXL > You can access the manual site using an ftp client . > > server: ftp.naks.com > user: pdfdownloadguest > password: n3r0 > > >< > > Ezio ------------------------------------------------------========= Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site http://www.lucenti.com My pages about digital photography ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmtooley at ce.net Thu May 1 16:47:13 2003 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 10:47:13 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 4 Blues - Nak Mics References: <5.2.1.1.2.20030423232502.00ac7200@box.tin.it><004301c309e1$bc18f670$923442cf@steve><000001c30b0e$d11ea500$74418751@oemcomputer><00ba01c30f25$3f0a1da0$6c106343@johnnyrotten> <005101c30f50$0d216ac0$944a8751@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <001201c30ff0$8ff9db30$66116343@johnnyrotten> Great, please get back to me! John T. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terence Finn" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 4 Blues - Nak Mics Hi John Will have to have a dig but should have manuals, and service updates and possibly some very narrow IF filters that we used to improve reception in certain areas of the UK (increases the THD though, wide remains the same) not a plug and play, as complete alignment is needed regards Terry ( I wonder who will shout Off Topic first!!!) ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Tooley" To: "Terence Finn" ; "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 4 Blues - Nak Mics Terry, Would you have any Yamaha CT-7000 stuff available? Thanks, John T. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terence Finn" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 5:40 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 4 Blues - Nak Mics > > > Hi Steven > > Re the CM300's, how are powering them, as over here in the UK > the original Sony 7MR9(H-7D) 9.45V Mercury's are no longer available > ( the last one's bought were around £12 each) > Was toying with the idea of a a seperate phantom type power supply > any ideas /circuits you could point me at. > > If it helps and as a brief intro I was the UK Service and Tech manager for a > company called > Natural Sound Systems here in the UK from 76 to 81 handling > Nakamichi/Yamaha/Maxell and Pioneer > and have kept a large manual and paper archive and spares from that period + > collection of hardware. > Time I had a clear out. > I might just have something that you haver been looking for? > > Currently handling (among others) Wes Dooleys AEA ribbons over here > > regards > > Terry Finn > terry at affinityaudio.com > www.affinityaudio.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 10:46 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 4 Blues - Nak Mics > > > > I've picked up several nice CM300 mics recently for under $75 each, and > even > > as little as $35. They just happen to be labeled Teac/Tascam ME120 & > PE120, > > or Primo EMU4520. Primo was the real manufacturer of all of the Nak CM > > series mics, except for the CM1000, which was a standard condenser mic, > > rather than an electret condenser. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Talking Dog Transducer Company > > http://stephensank.com > > 5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] > > 505-332-0336 > > Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer > > Payments preferred through Paypal.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ezio" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 3:26 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] 4 Blues - Nak Mics > > > > > > > Blues ... I have also bought a 550 ... and I am looking for the mics , > but > > > the following auction is too expensive for me ... if you would like ... > > > > > > 3 Nakamichi CM-300 microphones w/CP1, 2 caps. > > > Item # 2525813500 > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely > > > > > > Ezio Lucenti > > > > > > Ezio's e-photography site http://www.lucenti.com > > > > > > My pages about digital photography > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com Thu May 1 16:49:48 2003 From: gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com (gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com) Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 09:49:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] FTP site access Message-ID: I've followed the directions Ezio gave for accessing the FTP site for the manuals. Everything works as described, but when I enter the password, I get a "530 Login inccorect" message followed by "login failed". Any suggestions? Gary -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smoke at snip.net Thu May 1 17:08:39 2003 From: smoke at snip.net (John M. Smokevitch) Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 11:08:39 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Selling Nak Stuff... References: <003001c30f28$77c7d800$fb1a0cd0@j2h5b3> Message-ID: <3EB13877.E9DA9B21@snip.net> I may be interested . What are you asking? Best regards. John Babin/Greseth wrote: > I have a Nak outboard Dolby B and C unit, never used, that I would > like to sell. Where's a good place to sell it other than > Ebay? Randall in Seattle > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu May 1 17:44:20 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 11:44:20 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Manual Nakamichi 1000ZXL References: <5.2.1.1.2.20030430162456.032a5600@box.tin.it> <006a01c30fe8$e5b0bba0$341b0cd0@j2h5b3> Message-ID: <3EB140D4.9C665AB1@rcn.com> Randy, Until you get all this sorted out, do you want me to just email the manual to you? Which manual do you need -- user's or service? Also, do you require instructions for dealing with spanned ZIP files (meaning, a zip file that has been split into several smaller files)? -- Ron > Babin/Greseth wrote: > > Ezio- > Thanks for all your help. I'm not the most experienced user!! > > I get a response- 530 logon incorrect. > > Randy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ezio > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 21:21 > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manual Nakamichi 1000ZXL > > Ok Randall , which FTP client are you using ? > I guess you are trying to connect with Internet Explorer by > MicroSoft . > IE doesn't work for me . > I connected using WS FTP client , but CuteFTP , BP FTP or any > other dedicated FTP client should work . > Go to http://www.ipswitch.com/_download/main.asp?product=WS-0000 > and get a 30 days free evaluation copy of WS FTP and try to > connect with it . > > Please, let me know the results > > Ezio > > At 07.52 30/04/03 -0700, you wrote: > > > Ezio- > > Couldn't make this sign in. When I put the password in, the > > sign in box > > disappears and then reappears with no results. Can you help > > please? > > > > Randall > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ezio" > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 07:26 > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manual Nakamichi 1000ZXL > > > > > > > You can access the manual site using an ftp client . > > > > > > server: ftp.naks.com > > > user: pdfdownloadguest > > > password: n3r0 > > > > > > >< > > > > > > Ezio > > ------------------------------------------------------========= > > Sincerely > > Ezio Lucenti > > Ezio's e-photography site http://www.lucenti.com > > My pages about digital photography From matoolz2 at email.msn.com Thu May 1 19:16:03 2003 From: matoolz2 at email.msn.com (matoolz2) Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 13:16:03 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Manual Nakamichi 1000ZXL References: <5.2.1.1.2.20030430162456.032a5600@box.tin.it> <5.2.1.1.2.20030501061635.03704ca0@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <001601c31005$59a0d7e0$8cc0193f@hppav> Ezio, I downloaded the WS.FTP evaluation program and set it up on my computer. It goes to the ftp.nak.com but I`m getting the 530 error again (login incorrect) when I enter the user ID and password (pdfdownloadquest/n3r0). Any help would be appreciated as I just got my first Nakamichi 600 cassette deck and I`m trying to download the operations manual if the site has one. Ernie ----- Original Message ----- From: Ezio To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 12:21 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manual Nakamichi 1000ZXL Ok Randall , which FTP client are you using ? I guess you are trying to connect with Internet Explorer by MicroSoft IE doesn't work for me . I connected using WS FTP client , but CuteFTP , BP FTP or any other dedicated FTP client should work . Go to http://www.ipswitch.com/_download/main.asp?product=WS-0000 and get a 30 days free evaluation copy of WS FTP and try to connect with it . Please, let me know the results Ezio At 07.52 30/04/03 -0700, you wrote: Ezio- Couldn't make this sign in. When I put the password in, the sign in box disappears and then reappears with no results. Can you help please? Randall ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ezio" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 07:26 Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manual Nakamichi 1000ZXL > You can access the manual site using an ftp client . > > server: ftp.naks.com > user: pdfdownloadguest > password: n3r0 > > >< > > Ezio ------------------------------------------------------========= Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site http://www.lucenti.com My pages about digital photography ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu May 1 19:38:33 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 13:38:33 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Manual Nakamichi 1000ZXL References: <5.2.1.1.2.20030430162456.032a5600@box.tin.it> <001601c31005$59a0d7e0$8cc0193f@hppav> Message-ID: <3EB15B99.AAEDC4C1@rcn.com> It's pdfdownloadguest (guest, with a 'g'. Not quest). > matoolz2 wrote: > > Ezio, > > I downloaded the WS.FTP evaluation program and set it up on my computer. It > goes to the ftp.nak.com but I`m getting the 530 error again (login > incorrect) when I enter the user ID and password (pdfdownloadquest/n3r0). > Any help would be appreciated as I just got my first Nakamichi 600 cassette > deck and I`m trying to download the operations manual if the site has one. > > Ernie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ezio > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 12:21 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manual Nakamichi 1000ZXL > > Ok Randall , which FTP client are you using ? > I guess you are trying to connect with Internet Explorer by > MicroSoft > IE doesn't work for me . > I connected using WS FTP client , but CuteFTP , BP FTP or any > other dedicated FTP client should work . > Go to http://www.ipswitch.com/_download/main.asp?product=WS-0000 > and get a 30 days free evaluation copy of WS FTP and try to > connect with it . > > Please, let me know the results > > Ezio > > At 07.52 30/04/03 -0700, you wrote: > > > Ezio- > > Couldn't make this sign in. When I put the password in, the > > sign in box > > disappears and then reappears with no results. Can you help > > please? > > > > Randall > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ezio" > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 07:26 > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manual Nakamichi 1000ZXL > > > > > > > You can access the manual site using an ftp client . > > > > > > server: ftp.naks.com > > > user: pdfdownloadguest > > > password: n3r0 > > > > > > >< > > > > > > Ezio > > ------------------------------------------------------========= > > Sincerely > > Ezio Lucenti > > Ezio's e-photography site http://www.lucenti.com > > My pages about digital photography > From croquetgod at yahoo.com Thu May 1 19:46:51 2003 From: croquetgod at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jens-M.=20Arndt?=) Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 19:46:51 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] Manual Nakamichi 1000ZXL In-Reply-To: <001601c31005$59a0d7e0$8cc0193f@hppav> Message-ID: <20030501174651.23846.qmail@web13509.mail.yahoo.com> Hello Ernie, I am using RightFTP with stored access data (user id and pw as received from wouter) but I am getting the 530 error as well. Most likely wouter has changed pw and id for download since I can still access ftp.naks.com for uploads. Jens --- matoolz2 schrieb: > Ezio, > > I downloaded the WS.FTP evaluation program and set > it up on my computer. It goes to the ftp.nak.com but > I`m getting the 530 error again (login incorrect) > when I enter the user ID and password > (pdfdownloadquest/n3r0). Any help would be > appreciated as I just got my first Nakamichi 600 > cassette deck and I`m trying to download the > operations manual if the site has one. > > Ernie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ezio > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 12:21 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manual Nakamichi 1000ZXL > > > Ok Randall , which FTP client are you using ? > I guess you are trying to connect with Internet > Explorer by MicroSoft > IE doesn't work for me . > I connected using WS FTP client , but CuteFTP , > BP FTP or any other dedicated FTP client should work > . > Go to > http://www.ipswitch.com/_download/main.asp?product=WS-0000 > and get a 30 days free evaluation copy of WS FTP > and try to connect with it . > > Please, let me know the results > > Ezio > > At 07.52 30/04/03 -0700, you wrote: > > Ezio- > Couldn't make this sign in. When I put the > password in, the sign in box > disappears and then reappears with no results. > Can you help please? > > Randall > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ezio" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 07:26 > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manual Nakamichi 1000ZXL > > > > You can access the manual site using an ftp > client . > > > > server: ftp.naks.com > > user: pdfdownloadguest > > password: n3r0 > > > > >< > > > > Ezio > > ------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Sincerely > > Ezio Lucenti > > Ezio's e-photography site http://www.lucenti.com > > My pages about digital photography > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei http://premiummail.yahoo.de From croquetgod at yahoo.com Thu May 1 19:49:02 2003 From: croquetgod at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jens-M.=20Arndt?=) Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 19:49:02 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] Manual Nakamichi 1000ZXL In-Reply-To: <3EB15B99.AAEDC4C1@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20030501174902.86312.qmail@web13505.mail.yahoo.com> ...and it's ftp.naks.com instead of ftp.nak.com but still doesn't work. Jens --- Ron schrieb: > > It's pdfdownloadguest (guest, with a 'g'. Not > quest). > ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei http://premiummail.yahoo.de From kannan_s at vsnl.com Thu May 1 19:53:11 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 23:23:11 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Manual Nakamichi 1000ZXL - login to naks FTP server Message-ID: <20030501175311.7A69A1149EF@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From matoolz2 at email.msn.com Thu May 1 20:20:49 2003 From: matoolz2 at email.msn.com (matoolz2) Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 14:20:49 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Manual Nakamichi 1000ZXL - login to naks FTP server References: <20030501175311.7A69A1149EF@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <003401c3100e$66716580$8cc0193f@hppav> Thanks for all the responses from the various members of the group. I appreciate the help. Since there is no Nakamichi 600 operatortions manual in the database I don`t need to get into it. If anybody has any ideas where I can get one I would appreciate the help. Thanks again, Ernie ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 1:53 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manual Nakamichi 1000ZXL - login to naks FTP server > I think Wouter might have stopped the access to Naks FTP server again and It does not have any manuals for Nak 600. Somebody else who has this manual in our group can help him if possible > Kannan > > matoolz2 at email.msn.com wrote > Ezio, > > I downloaded the WS.FTP evaluation program and set it up on my computer. It goes to the ftp.nak.com but I`m getting the 530 error again (login incorrect) when I enter the user ID and password (pdfdownloadquest/n3r0). Any help would be appreciated as I just got my first Nakamichi 600 cassette deck and I`m trying to download the operations manual if the site has one. > > Ernie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ezio > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 12:21 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manual Nakamichi 1000ZXL > > > Ok Randall , which FTP client are you using ? > I guess you are trying to connect with Internet Explorer by MicroSoft > IE doesn't work for me . > I connected using WS FTP client , but CuteFTP , BP FTP or any other dedicated FTP client should work . > Go to http://www.ipswitch.com/_download/main.asp?product=WS-0000 > and get a 30 days free evaluation copy of WS FTP and try to connect with it . > > Please, let me know the results > > Ezio > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From croquetgod at yahoo.com Thu May 1 20:45:48 2003 From: croquetgod at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jens-M.=20Arndt?=) Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 20:45:48 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] Manual Nakamichi 1000ZXL - login to naks FTP server In-Reply-To: <003401c3100e$66716580$8cc0193f@hppav> Message-ID: <20030501184548.85972.qmail@web13507.mail.yahoo.com> ernie, today one nak 600 has been sold on ebay germany including manual (for 110 euro , abt 120 usd), auction number 3322629998. it might be worth to contact the buyer and/or seller and ask them for a copy. Jens --- matoolz2 schrieb: > Thanks for all the responses from the various > members of the group. I > appreciate the help. Since there is no Nakamichi 600 > operatortions manual in > the database I don`t need to get into it. If anybody > has any ideas where I > can get one I would appreciate the help. > > Thanks again, > Ernie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 1:53 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manual Nakamichi 1000ZXL - > login to naks FTP server > > > > I think Wouter might have stopped the access to > Naks FTP server again and > It does not have any manuals for Nak 600. Somebody > else who has this manual > in our group can help him if possible > > Kannan > > > > matoolz2 at email.msn.com wrote > > Ezio, > > > > I downloaded the WS.FTP evaluation program and set > it up on my computer. > It goes to the ftp.nak.com but I`m getting the 530 > error again (login > incorrect) when I enter the user ID and password > (pdfdownloadquest/n3r0). > Any help would be appreciated as I just got my first > Nakamichi 600 cassette > deck and I`m trying to download the operations > manual if the site has one. > > > > Ernie > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Ezio > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 12:21 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manual Nakamichi 1000ZXL > > > > > > Ok Randall , which FTP client are you using ? > > I guess you are trying to connect with Internet > Explorer by MicroSoft > > IE doesn't work for me . > > I connected using WS FTP client , but CuteFTP , > BP FTP or any other > dedicated FTP client should work . > > Go to > http://www.ipswitch.com/_download/main.asp?product=WS-0000 > > and get a 30 days free evaluation copy of WS FTP > and try to connect with > it . > > > > Please, let me know the results > > > > Ezio > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei http://premiummail.yahoo.de From matoolz2 at email.msn.com Thu May 1 21:07:00 2003 From: matoolz2 at email.msn.com (matoolz2) Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 15:07:00 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Manual Nakamichi 1000ZXL - login to naks FTP server References: <20030501184548.85972.qmail@web13507.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000601c31014$d97dda80$8cc0193f@hppav> Thanks, I`ll check into it. Ernie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jens-M. Arndt" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 2:45 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manual Nakamichi 1000ZXL - login to naks FTP server > ernie, > > today one nak 600 has been sold on ebay germany > including manual (for 110 euro , abt 120 usd), auction > number 3322629998. > > it might be worth to contact the buyer and/or seller > and ask them for a copy. > > Jens > > > > --- matoolz2 schrieb: > > Thanks for all the responses from the various > > members of the group. I > > appreciate the help. Since there is no Nakamichi 600 > > operatortions manual in > > the database I don`t need to get into it. If anybody > > has any ideas where I > > can get one I would appreciate the help. > > > > Thanks again, > > Ernie > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 1:53 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manual Nakamichi 1000ZXL - > > login to naks FTP server > > > > > > > I think Wouter might have stopped the access to > > Naks FTP server again and > > It does not have any manuals for Nak 600. Somebody > > else who has this manual > > in our group can help him if possible > > > Kannan > > > > > > matoolz2 at email.msn.com wrote > > > Ezio, > > > > > > I downloaded the WS.FTP evaluation program and set > > it up on my computer. > > It goes to the ftp.nak.com but I`m getting the 530 > > error again (login > > incorrect) when I enter the user ID and password > > (pdfdownloadquest/n3r0). > > Any help would be appreciated as I just got my first > > Nakamichi 600 cassette > > deck and I`m trying to download the operations > > manual if the site has one. > > > > > > Ernie > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Ezio > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 12:21 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manual Nakamichi 1000ZXL > > > > > > > > > Ok Randall , which FTP client are you using ? > > > I guess you are trying to connect with Internet > > Explorer by MicroSoft > > > IE doesn't work for me . > > > I connected using WS FTP client , but CuteFTP , > > BP FTP or any other > > dedicated FTP client should work . > > > Go to > > > http://www.ipswitch.com/_download/main.asp?product=WS-0000 > > > and get a 30 days free evaluation copy of WS FTP > > and try to connect with > > it . > > > > > > Please, let me know the results > > > > > > Ezio > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > Naktalk at naks.com > > mailinglist > > > To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > Naktalk at naks.com > > mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ===== > 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) > > __________________________________________________________________ > > Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de > Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei http://premiummail.yahoo.de > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu May 1 21:28:08 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 15:28:08 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Manual Nakamichi 1000ZXL References: <20030501174651.23846.qmail@web13509.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3EB17548.B86F003@rcn.com> Yep, the user name and/or PW must have been changed. I just tried to access the site and couldn't. It worked perfectly yesterday. It's a shame it has come to that. Naks.com was such a wonderful resource. I kinda anticipated this, so, in the short while the site was accessible, I downloaded just about everything in English. If anyone needs a manual, do check with me, I might be able to help. -- Ron "Jens-M. Arndt" wrote: > > Hello Ernie, > > I am using RightFTP with stored access data (user id > and pw as received from wouter) but I am getting the > 530 error as well. > > Most likely wouter has changed pw and id for download > since I can still access ftp.naks.com for uploads. > > Jens > > --- matoolz2 schrieb: > > Ezio, > > > > I downloaded the WS.FTP evaluation program and set > > it up on my computer. It goes to the ftp.nak.com but > > I`m getting the 530 error again (login incorrect) > > when I enter the user ID and password > > (pdfdownloadquest/n3r0). Any help would be > > appreciated as I just got my first Nakamichi 600 > > cassette deck and I`m trying to download the > > operations manual if the site has one. > > > > Ernie > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Ezio > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 12:21 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manual Nakamichi 1000ZXL > > > > > > Ok Randall , which FTP client are you using ? > > I guess you are trying to connect with Internet > > Explorer by MicroSoft > > IE doesn't work for me . > > I connected using WS FTP client , but CuteFTP , > > BP FTP or any other dedicated FTP client should work > > . > > Go to > > > http://www.ipswitch.com/_download/main.asp?product=WS-0000 > > and get a 30 days free evaluation copy of WS FTP > > and try to connect with it . > > > > Please, let me know the results > > > > Ezio > > > > At 07.52 30/04/03 -0700, you wrote: > > > > Ezio- > > Couldn't make this sign in. When I put the > > password in, the sign in box > > disappears and then reappears with no results. > > Can you help please? > > > > Randall > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ezio" > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 07:26 > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manual Nakamichi 1000ZXL > > > > > > > You can access the manual site using an ftp > > client . > > > > > > server: ftp.naks.com > > > user: pdfdownloadguest > > > password: n3r0 > > > > > > >< > > > > > > Ezio From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu May 1 23:53:31 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 23:53:31 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Manual Nakamichi 1000ZXL - login to naks FTP server References: <20030501175311.7A69A1149EF@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <3EB1975A.E42A9A82@xs4all.nl> No, the password has changed to: 1000zxl that's all Wouter kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > I think Wouter might have stopped the access to Naks FTP server again and It does not have any manuals for Nak 600. Somebody else who has this manual in our group can help him if possible > Kannan > > matoolz2 at email.msn.com wrote > Ezio, > > I downloaded the WS.FTP evaluation program and set it up on my computer. It goes to the ftp.nak.com but I`m getting the 530 error again (login incorrect) when I enter the user ID and password (pdfdownloadquest/n3r0). Any help would be appreciated as I just got my first Nakamichi 600 cassette deck and I`m trying to download the operations manual if the site has one. > > Ernie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ezio > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 12:21 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manual Nakamichi 1000ZXL > > Ok Randall , which FTP client are you using ? > I guess you are trying to connect with Internet Explorer by MicroSoft > IE doesn't work for me . > I connected using WS FTP client , but CuteFTP , BP FTP or any other dedicated FTP client should work . > Go to http://www.ipswitch.com/_download/main.asp?product=WS-0000 > and get a 30 days free evaluation copy of WS FTP and try to connect with it . > > Please, let me know the results > > Ezio > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From fidelman at telcel.net.ve Fri May 2 05:47:34 2003 From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman) Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 23:47:34 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Manual Nakamichi 1000ZXL References: <20030501174651.23846.qmail@web13509.mail.yahoo.com> <3EB17548.B86F003@rcn.com> Message-ID: <008001c3105d$9aa98630$e66523c8@g8nsv> Hi Ron!!! Did you downloaded the Nak NR-200 owner's manual???? I need that one. Contact me if you do and if you can send it to me... Thanks a lot Isy fidelman at telcel.net.ve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manual Nakamichi 1000ZXL > > Yep, the user name and/or PW must have been changed. I > just tried to access the site and couldn't. It worked > perfectly yesterday. It's a shame it has come to that. > Naks.com was such a wonderful resource. > > I kinda anticipated this, so, in the short while the > site was accessible, I downloaded just about everything > in English. If anyone needs a manual, do check with me, > I might be able to help. > > -- Ron > > > > "Jens-M. Arndt" wrote: > > > > Hello Ernie, > > > > I am using RightFTP with stored access data (user id > > and pw as received from wouter) but I am getting the > > 530 error as well. > > > > Most likely wouter has changed pw and id for download > > since I can still access ftp.naks.com for uploads. > > > > Jens > > > > --- matoolz2 schrieb: > > > Ezio, > > > > > > I downloaded the WS.FTP evaluation program and set > > > it up on my computer. It goes to the ftp.nak.com but > > > I`m getting the 530 error again (login incorrect) > > > when I enter the user ID and password > > > (pdfdownloadquest/n3r0). Any help would be > > > appreciated as I just got my first Nakamichi 600 > > > cassette deck and I`m trying to download the > > > operations manual if the site has one. > > > > > > Ernie > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Ezio > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 12:21 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manual Nakamichi 1000ZXL > > > > > > > > > Ok Randall , which FTP client are you using ? > > > I guess you are trying to connect with Internet > > > Explorer by MicroSoft > > > IE doesn't work for me . > > > I connected using WS FTP client , but CuteFTP , > > > BP FTP or any other dedicated FTP client should work > > > . > > > Go to > > > > > http://www.ipswitch.com/_download/main.asp?product=WS-0000 > > > and get a 30 days free evaluation copy of WS FTP > > > and try to connect with it . > > > > > > Please, let me know the results > > > > > > Ezio > > > > > > At 07.52 30/04/03 -0700, you wrote: > > > > > > Ezio- > > > Couldn't make this sign in. When I put the > > > password in, the sign in box > > > disappears and then reappears with no results. > > > Can you help please? > > > > > > Randall > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Ezio" > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 07:26 > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manual Nakamichi 1000ZXL > > > > > > > > > > You can access the manual site using an ftp > > > client . > > > > > > > > server: ftp.naks.com > > > > user: pdfdownloadguest > > > > password: n3r0 > > > > > > > > >< > > > > > > > > Ezio > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > From jvbrhg at seanet.com Fri May 2 05:57:43 2003 From: jvbrhg at seanet.com (Babin/Greseth) Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 20:57:43 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Manual Nakamichi 1000ZXL - login to naks FTP server References: <20030501175311.7A69A1149EF@webmail.vsnl.com> <003401c3100e$66716580$8cc0193f@hppav> Message-ID: <004101c3105f$8bc84000$451c0cd0@j2h5b3> Da fookin shintin swvintenzhaln pookin poopin fuukin fartin peeinpoonin nakin ginzin tapin dekin, veenie shinzin gar fakin ginin's. Un shuntz. enuf said? Come in Berlin. ----- Original Message ----- From: "matoolz2" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 11:20 Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manual Nakamichi 1000ZXL - login to naks FTP server > Thanks for all the responses from the various members of the group. I > appreciate the help. Since there is no Nakamichi 600 operatortions manual in > the database I don`t need to get into it. If anybody has any ideas where I > can get one I would appreciate the help. > > Thanks again, > Ernie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 1:53 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manual Nakamichi 1000ZXL - login to naks FTP server > > > > I think Wouter might have stopped the access to Naks FTP server again and > It does not have any manuals for Nak 600. Somebody else who has this manual > in our group can help him if possible > > Kannan > > > > matoolz2 at email.msn.com wrote > > Ezio, > > > > I downloaded the WS.FTP evaluation program and set it up on my computer. > It goes to the ftp.nak.com but I`m getting the 530 error again (login > incorrect) when I enter the user ID and password (pdfdownloadquest/n3r0). > Any help would be appreciated as I just got my first Nakamichi 600 cassette > deck and I`m trying to download the operations manual if the site has one. > > > > Ernie > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Ezio > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 12:21 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manual Nakamichi 1000ZXL > > > > > > Ok Randall , which FTP client are you using ? > > I guess you are trying to connect with Internet Explorer by MicroSoft > > IE doesn't work for me . > > I connected using WS FTP client , but CuteFTP , BP FTP or any other > dedicated FTP client should work . > > Go to http://www.ipswitch.com/_download/main.asp?product=WS-0000 > > and get a 30 days free evaluation copy of WS FTP and try to connect with > it . > > > > Please, let me know the results > > > > Ezio > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > From nealw at decillion.net Fri May 2 08:42:51 2003 From: nealw at decillion.net (Neal Walker) Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 08:42:51 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Manual Nakamichi 1000ZXL Message-ID: <4383342ADDF2D61195DD009027B2017B0ACA95@CPT-01> Ron Hi i own a 1000ZXL maybe its time i organised a manual before i run into problems down the line. i haven't read all of this thread but is it possible to send me a manual (i have the user manual but am looking for something a technician may need). i have winzip so large files can be compressed. regards neal walker nealw at decillion.net -----Original Message----- From: Ron [mailto:ra.ah at rcn.com] Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 12:28 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manual Nakamichi 1000ZXL Yep, the user name and/or PW must have been changed. I just tried to access the site and couldn't. It worked perfectly yesterday. It's a shame it has come to that. Naks.com was such a wonderful resource. I kinda anticipated this, so, in the short while the site was accessible, I downloaded just about everything in English. If anyone needs a manual, do check with me, I might be able to help. -- Ron "Jens-M. Arndt" wrote: > > Hello Ernie, > > I am using RightFTP with stored access data (user id > and pw as received from wouter) but I am getting the > 530 error as well. > > Most likely wouter has changed pw and id for download > since I can still access ftp.naks.com for uploads. > > Jens > > --- matoolz2 schrieb: > > Ezio, > > > > I downloaded the WS.FTP evaluation program and set > > it up on my computer. It goes to the ftp.nak.com but > > I`m getting the 530 error again (login incorrect) > > when I enter the user ID and password > > (pdfdownloadquest/n3r0). Any help would be > > appreciated as I just got my first Nakamichi 600 > > cassette deck and I`m trying to download the > > operations manual if the site has one. > > > > Ernie > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Ezio > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 12:21 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manual Nakamichi 1000ZXL > > > > > > Ok Randall , which FTP client are you using ? > > I guess you are trying to connect with Internet > > Explorer by MicroSoft > > IE doesn't work for me . > > I connected using WS FTP client , but CuteFTP , > > BP FTP or any other dedicated FTP client should work > > . > > Go to > > > http://www.ipswitch.com/_download/main.asp?product=WS-0000 > > and get a 30 days free evaluation copy of WS FTP > > and try to connect with it . > > > > Please, let me know the results > > > > Ezio > > > > At 07.52 30/04/03 -0700, you wrote: > > > > Ezio- > > Couldn't make this sign in. When I put the > > password in, the sign in box > > disappears and then reappears with no results. > > Can you help please? > > > > Randall > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ezio" > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 07:26 > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manual Nakamichi 1000ZXL > > > > > > > You can access the manual site using an ftp > > client . > > > > > > server: ftp.naks.com > > > user: pdfdownloadguest > > > password: n3r0 > > > > > > >< > > > > > > Ezio ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above and may contain information that is confidential and privileged, proprietary to the company and protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of our company shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri May 2 11:54:06 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 11:54:06 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] FTP site access Message-ID: <18072.212.78.179.234.1051869246.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Hi All, After reading some disturbing messages on naktalk about people downloading all files for their own distribution made me decide that i've had it!! The FTP site is down and will stay down, at least for the big audience that only seems to be a member of this list to get access to the pdf files. So all members who want only manuals etc can unsubscribe now. A new FTP site will be there in the near future only for those who contributed. Thank you for your attention. Wouter From ti at amb.org Fri May 2 13:40:54 2003 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 04:40:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] FTP site access In-Reply-To: <18072.212.78.179.234.1051869246.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> from "Wouter Heijke" at May 02, 2003 11:54:06 AM Message-ID: <200305021140.LAA21799@amb.org> Wouter Heijke writes: > Hi All, > > After reading some disturbing messages on naktalk about people downloading > all files for their own distribution made me decide that i've had it!! Hmm Wouter, I think that certain someone who is distributing manuals is doing it (as a favor) for people who had trouble accessing the ftp site. He was not doing it for profit or had any ill intentions... Aren't you being needlessly harsh? I understand that you operate the ftp site on a volunteer basis, and if bandwidth is an issue, I am sure others on the naktalk list could lend a hand to help. I perceive the naktalk list as a resource for Nakamichi owners to ask questions, share experiences, and yes, obtain manuals. There is nothing wrong with that. As a matter of fact, most people who bought used Nakamichi equipment probably want the manuals as the first step to really understand the workings of their fine acquisition. I apologize if I offend you, but I am a new lister and do not know your history and how you came about to become the carekeeper of the ftp site. However I do see that there is a high demand for manuals and that is what the naks.com and naktalk list should provide its subscribers. If you feel that you "own" the manuals and must somehow exercise control over their distribution, then I think perhaps someone else *should* run another manual download site. Open and unrestricted access to information is what lists like these are about. > The FTP site is down and will stay down, at least for the big audience > that only seems to be a member of this list to get access to the pdf > files. > So all members who want only manuals etc can unsubscribe now. > A new FTP site will be there in the near future only for those who > contributed. I don't think that method of manual sharing is going to work, Wouter. Nakamichi manuals are not like MP3 files. There are only a limited number of manuals and new members who need manuals usually have nothing to contribute. But why should they not be allowed to download? -Ti -- /// Ti Kan Vorsprung durch Technik /// AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA /// ti at amb.org ////// http://www.amb.org/ti/ /// From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri May 2 16:15:04 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 10:15:04 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Manual Nakamichi 1000ZXL References: <4383342ADDF2D61195DD009027B2017B0ACA95@CPT-01> Message-ID: <3EB27D68.A9DBDD98@rcn.com> Neal, there was no service manual of the 1000ZXL on the web site. I do have the user's manual and a review of the 1000ZXL Limited. -- Ron Neal Walker wrote: > > Ron > > Hi i own a 1000ZXL maybe its time i organised a manual before i run into > problems down the line. i haven't read all of this thread but is it possible > to send me a manual (i have the user manual but am looking for something a > technician may need). i have winzip so large files can be compressed. > > regards > neal walker From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri May 2 16:54:46 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 10:54:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] FTP site access References: <18072.212.78.179.234.1051869246.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <3EB286B6.2EE6EB73@rcn.com> Wouter, I am the member of the list that downloaded files and offered help to genuine members of the NakTalk list. I am sorry that my action has irritated you and that you decided to close down the ftp site. I want to assure you that I am a bona fide audiophile. I have owned Nakamichi recorders of one model or another for almost 30 years. I have been on the NakTalk list for years now and have continually participated actively. Until recently, I only downloaded a couple of manuals I actually needed. My only purpose is to help fellow nakophiles with our common hobby. After all, isn't this the purpose of NakTalk? Only recently I made PCB layout diagrams of the Sankyo capstan motor (that Nakamichi did not include in the manuals) and offered it to everyone on the list. I have never gained anything from helping list members with data, manuals or technical advice, it's the other way around, I have spent money to provide this help and expected nothing in return except maybe a thank you. I am very sorry about the manual present situation, where the unscrupulous few have spoiled so much for genuine list members. I thought the manuals on the site were there for these members. If you wish, just say so and I will never again help anyone with manuals I downloaded from the site. However, I ask you to reconsider -- what's the point of lovingly collecting all this data together in one place, if the people that deserve to benefit from it are not allowed to? One solution may be, giving access to NakTalk members after, say, two years. This will weed out those that are here only for the manuals. My problem with the 'download for upload' scheme is that the only manuals I have that did not come for the ftp site are already there - I have nothing new to contribute. You have done a great service for out hobby, for which you have my deepest thanks. Peace, -- Ron Wouter Heijke wrote: > > Hi All, > > After reading some disturbing messages on naktalk about people downloading > all files for their own distribution made me decide that i've had it!! > > The FTP site is down and will stay down, at least for the big audience > that only seems to be a member of this list to get access to the pdf > files. > > So all members who want only manuals etc can unsubscribe now. > > A new FTP site will be there in the near future only for those who > contributed. > > Thank you for your attention. > > Wouter From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri May 2 17:22:59 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 22:22:59 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Manual Nakamichi 1000ZXL References: <4383342ADDF2D61195DD009027B2017B0ACA95@CPT-01> <3EB27D68.A9DBDD98@rcn.com> Message-ID: <000401c310be$d1e85200$b0199bca@smarzuki> Hi Ron and Neal, The ZXL service manual is as thick as a short novel ... 102 pages total ! Full of double sized pages to boot, just imagine the number of boards crammed inside. Imho, scanning the manual would be as difficult as finding the rare static chips itself. If you plan to keep your zxl for a long time then a clear copy service manual from schaltungsdienst is very much worth the $10-15 investment =) In case of emergency - down the line - let me know which schematic you need and I'll scan the necessary pages. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron To: Neal Walker ; NakTalk Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 9:15 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manual Nakamichi 1000ZXL Neal, there was no service manual of the 1000ZXL on the web site. I do have the user's manual and a review of the 1000ZXL Limited. -- Ron Neal Walker wrote: > > Ron > > Hi i own a 1000ZXL maybe its time i organised a manual before i run into > problems down the line. i haven't read all of this thread but is it possible > to send me a manual (i have the user manual but am looking for something a > technician may need). i have winzip so large files can be compressed. > > regards > neal walker From adamyh at netvigator.com Fri May 2 20:34:41 2003 From: adamyh at netvigator.com (Adam Yousuf) Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 02:34:41 +0800 Subject: [naktalk] Quick question References: <18072.212.78.179.234.1051869246.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <3EB286B6.2EE6EB73@rcn.com> Message-ID: <002a01c310d9$7ebc1970$6501a8c0@homepcxp1> Hey guys, Many thanks for the replies to the Auto vs Manual calibration thread. I just purchased a 700ZXL from e-bay today. Question. The 700ZXL being one of the first autocalibration decks has Auto ABLE (Azimuth, Bias, Level and Equalization) vs the CR7 and 700ZXE etc, which only does Auto. Can you help me explan what the differences are and what the advantages are of one system vs the others? Thanks Adam From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Fri May 2 20:56:57 2003 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 20:56:57 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] FTP site access ... a proposal ... In-Reply-To: <3EB286B6.2EE6EB73@rcn.com> References: <18072.212.78.179.234.1051869246.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030502204220.02bb4de0@box.tin.it> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri May 2 21:05:34 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 15:05:34 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Quick question References: <18072.212.78.179.234.1051869246.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <002a01c310d9$7ebc1970$6501a8c0@homepcxp1> Message-ID: <3EB2C17E.5E6D36A1@rcn.com> Adam Yousuf wrote: > > Hey guys, > > Many thanks for the replies to the Auto vs Manual calibration thread. > > I just purchased a 700ZXL from e-bay today. > > Question. The 700ZXL being one of the first autocalibration decks has Auto > ABLE (Azimuth, Bias, Level and Equalization) vs the CR7 and 700ZXE etc, > which only does Auto. > > Can you help me explan what the differences are and what the advantages are > of one system vs the others? 'Auto' simply means that the calibration is done automatically. The CR-7 self adjusts azimuth, bias and level (but not equalization), so I suppose they could have called it ABL :-). The auto record equalization should improve linearity of the recording. I am not sure how much af an advantage this is, since the CR-7 has a spec of 20Hz-20KHz +/-2db, without it. -- Ron > > Thanks > Adam From Tpfinn at btinternet.com Fri May 2 22:59:58 2003 From: Tpfinn at btinternet.com (Terence Finn) Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 21:59:58 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] FTP site access ... a proposal ... References: <18072.212.78.179.234.1051869246.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <5.2.1.1.2.20030502204220.02bb4de0@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <001a01c310ed$fd34dee0$953e7ad5@oemcomputer> Hi Guys I Might be missing something here but as the manual thing is getting out of hand why don't you start paying for the manuals you want/need. You all seem to have made a killing on getting your Naks a mostly rock bottom prices, the info exchanged on this forum and the efforts of the various individuals who have maintained it so far is incredible and free, but worth its weight in TDK Metal cased cassettes and Nak Jigs!! You have to pay for old automobile manuals, and if your local library had your favourite Nak manual you would have to pay a copying charge. If they are currently on E-bay for $10/20 that seems a small price to pay . If individuals want to swap that's fine but as they say north of Watford Gap "you get Owt for Nowt" (A manual to explain the translation is Not available on the server at this time!!) Your comments please Regards Terry ----- Original Message ----- From: Ezio To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks ; Wouter Heijke Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 7:56 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] FTP site access ... a proposal ... Thanks Ron for the explaination of the arcane . In facts I have been able dowloading some manuals and then suddenly the site disappeared. Wouter, I deeply understand you and I have found myself too very upsetting the fact of having the manuals sold on eBay . I think the rules you and the fellows will decide prior to restore the site are fair even if the same rules will eventually keep me off .... will see. Let me suggest a circumvention of the problem ... likely ... you could give PERSONAL and UNIQUE userIDs and passwords ... so you could somehow trace the ''escape'' of manuals .... alternatively we could crypt the manuals with ''personal and unique keys'' (a feature of ACROBAT full license or if you prefer some other cryptographic application) so to make absolutely impossible to make copies or distribute the manuals WITHOUT the PERSONAL and UNIQUE password/key and hence either identifying the stealer either making un-usable the stolen copy. Dear Wouter + dear friends ... what do you think about it ? Could it be a form of warranty for our belowed manuals / work / money in collecting them ? OBVIOUSLY I am extremely thankful for what Wouter and the other friends have done so far for the love of Naka stuff. Sincerely Ezio At 10.54 02/05/03 -0400, Ron wrote: Wouter, I am the member of the list that downloaded files and offered help to genuine members of the NakTalk list. I am sorry that my action has irritated you and that you decided to close down the ftp site. I want to assure you that I am a bona fide audiophile. I have owned Nakamichi recorders of one model or another for almost 30 years. I have been on the NakTalk list for years now and have continually participated actively. Until recently, I only downloaded a couple of manuals I actually needed. My only purpose is to help fellow nakophiles with our common hobby. After all, isn't this the purpose of NakTalk? Only recently I made PCB layout diagrams of the Sankyo capstan motor (that Nakamichi did not include in the manuals) and offered it to everyone on the list. I have never gained anything from helping list members with data, manuals or technical advice, it's the other way around, I have spent money to provide this help and expected nothing in return except maybe a thank you. I am very sorry about the manual present situation, where the unscrupulous few have spoiled so much for genuine list members. I thought the manuals on the site were there for these members. If you wish, just say so and I will never again help anyone with manuals I downloaded from the site. However, I ask you to reconsider -- what's the point of lovingly collecting all this data together in one place, if the people that deserve to benefit from it are not allowed to? One solution may be, giving access to NakTalk members after, say, two years. This will weed out those that are here only for the manuals. My problem with the 'download for upload' scheme is that the only manuals I have that did not come for the ftp site are already there - I have nothing new to contribute. You have done a great service for out hobby, for which you have my deepest thanks. Peace, -- Ron Wouter Heijke wrote: > > Hi All, > > After reading some disturbing messages on naktalk about people downloading > all files for their own distribution made me decide that i've had it!! > > The FTP site is down and will stay down, at least for the big audience > that only seems to be a member of this list to get access to the pdf > files. > > So all members who want only manuals etc can unsubscribe now. > > A new FTP site will be there in the near future only for those who > contributed. > > Thank you for your attention. > > Wouter ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site http://www.lucenti.com My pages about digital photography ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri May 2 23:15:37 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 22:15:37 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Manual Nakamichi 1000ZXL In-Reply-To: <3EB27D68.A9DBDD98@rcn.com> Message-ID: <000f01c310ef$fa164ee0$fa8b4c51@oemcomputer> Ron, Neal I think there was a 1000ZXL manual. For somne reason I wasn't able to get on the site to retrieve it but Marc kindly got it for me. Graham > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Ron > Sent: 02 May 2003 15:15 > To: Neal Walker; NakTalk > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manual Nakamichi 1000ZXL > > > > Neal, there was no service manual of the 1000ZXL on the web site. > I do have the user's manual and a review of the 1000ZXL Limited. > > -- Ron > > > Neal Walker wrote: > > > > Ron > > > > Hi i own a 1000ZXL maybe its time i organised a manual before i run into > > problems down the line. i haven't read all of this thread but > is it possible > > to send me a manual (i have the user manual but am looking for > something a > > technician may need). i have winzip so large files can be compressed. > > > > regards > > neal walker > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 18/04/03 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.476 / Virus Database: 273 - Release Date: 24/04/03 From Andy.M.Dundis at ue-corp.com Fri May 2 23:48:03 2003 From: Andy.M.Dundis at ue-corp.com (Dundis, Andy) Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 16:48:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] FTP site access ... a proposal ... Message-ID: lets not get nuts about this. nak owners should have access to owners manuals so as to properly operate them. charge for the service manuals if you must, but let's try to keep a good thing going for all of us who love and use this recording medium. regards, andy ----- Original Message ----- Hi Guys I Might be missing something here but as the manual thing is getting out of hand why don't you start paying for the manuals you want/need. You all seem to have made a killing on getting your Naks a mostly rock bottom prices, the info exchanged on this forum and the efforts of the various individuals who have maintained it so far is incredible and free, but worth its weight in TDK Metal cased cassettes and Nak Jigs!! You have to pay for old automobile manuals, and if your local library had your favourite Nak manual you would have to pay a copying charge. If they are currently on E-bay for $10/20 that seems a small price to pay . If individuals want to swap that's fine but as they say north of Watford Gap "you get Owt for Nowt" (A manual to explain the translation is Not available on the server at this time!!) 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From calijente at gmx.net Sat May 3 00:34:37 2003 From: calijente at gmx.net (calijente at gmx.net) Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 17:34:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Manual Nakamichi MR-1 In-Reply-To: <008001c3105d$9aa98630$e66523c8@g8nsv> Message-ID: <000b01c310fb$06e59210$0d7cce80@Tweezzy> Hi everyone, Maybe is not quite the right time to ask :-) but I was wandering whether somebody has the Nakamichi MR-1 owner and/or service manuals and is willing to share them. I bought a MR-1 from E-bay and spent the whole day on the Internet looking for manuals, without finding any (neither for free, nor for sale). Thank you for any information that might bring me closer to the manuals :-) Gabe From CSCARLSON at stoel.com Sat May 3 00:56:41 2003 From: CSCARLSON at stoel.com (Carlson, Cary) Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 15:56:41 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] FTP site access Message-ID: <8EBE8F577A50C64182B52DADB7903C2147F9A3@PDX-MX2.stoel.com> -----Original Message----- From: Ron [mailto:ra.ah at rcn.com] Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 7:55 AM To: Wouter Heijke; NakTalk Subject: Re: [naktalk] FTP site access Wouter, I am the member of the list that downloaded files and offered help to genuine members of the NakTalk list. I am sorry that my action has irritated you and that you decided to close down the ftp site. I want to assure you that I am a bona fide audiophile. I have owned Nakamichi recorders of one model or another for almost 30 years. I have been on the NakTalk list for years now and have continually participated actively. Until recently, I only downloaded a couple of manuals I actually needed. My only purpose is to help fellow nakophiles with our common hobby. After all, isn't this the purpose of NakTalk? Only recently I made PCB layout diagrams of the Sankyo capstan motor (that Nakamichi did not include in the manuals) and offered it to everyone on the list. I have never gained anything from helping list members with data, manuals or technical advice, it's the other way around, I have spent money to provide this help and expected nothing in return except maybe a thank you. I am very sorry about the manual present situation, where the unscrupulous few have spoiled so much for genuine list members. I thought the manuals on the site were there for these members. If you wish, just say so and I will never again help anyone with manuals I downloaded from the site. However, I ask you to reconsider -- what's the point of lovingly collecting all this data together in one place, if the people that deserve to benefit from it are not allowed to? One solution may be, giving access to NakTalk members after, say, two years. This will weed out those that are here only for the manuals. My problem with the 'download for upload' scheme is that the only manuals I have that did not come for the ftp site are already there - I have nothing new to contribute. You have done a great service for out hobby, for which you have my deepest thanks. Peace, -- Ron Wouter Heijke wrote: > > Hi All, > > After reading some disturbing messages on naktalk about people downloading > all files for their own distribution made me decide that i've had it!! > > The FTP site is down and will stay down, at least for the big audience > that only seems to be a member of this list to get access to the pdf > files. > > So all members who want only manuals etc can unsubscribe now. > > A new FTP site will be there in the near future only for those who > contributed. > > Thank you for your attention. > > Wouter From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat May 3 01:17:42 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 19:17:42 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Manual Nakamichi MR-1 References: <000b01c310fb$06e59210$0d7cce80@Tweezzy> Message-ID: <3EB2FC96.24441564@rcn.com> calijente at gmx.net wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > Maybe is not quite the right time to ask :-) but I was wandering whether > somebody has the Nakamichi MR-1 owner and/or service manuals and is willing > to share them. I bought a MR-1 from E-bay and spent the whole day on the > Internet looking for manuals, without finding any (neither for free, nor for > sale). > > Thank you for any information that might bring me closer to the manuals :-) > > Gabe I would love to get an MR-1 service manual. For the time being, it's 80% the same as BX-300, for which I do have the manual. If someone that has the service manual is willing to scan it, I will be eternally grateful. I have a hard copy of the MR-1 user's manual. Give me a few days and I'll scan it for you. No charge :-) -- Ron From blueswapper at angelfire.com Sat May 3 01:32:42 2003 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 16:32:42 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Get With It You NakTalkers!!! (ftp.naks.com) Message-ID: I'm just slightly amazed, puzzled too....... Some of you guys just don't get it, do you? The name of the game here is to make contributions, help out your fellow NakTalkers, not only by your often excellent email info sharing, but also by going out and procuring something that you personally need that is also a real physical contribution that can be made to the ftp.naks.com archive. You know, for example, like maybe you personally need that 550 users manual, T-100 brochure, or ZX7 service manual; so you get proactive and realize that you'll need to invest monetarily to procure a few manuals or brochures that you can personally possess and also contribute to ftp.naks.com. If all NakTalkers pledged to purchased and contribute just one Nak audio gear info item, imagine what we'd accumulate! Powerful stuff, eh? So, you get motivated, roll up your sleeves, do some investigating, make an investment buying a manual or brochure (like thru an ebay.com auction), and then find a way to scan the original hard copies into .jpeg or .pdf file format for uploading to the ftp.naks.com server. Hey, its clear that if you can afford classic Nakamichi audio gear in your personal collection, you can certainly afford to invest in at least a cheap tabletop scanner for $50 or $100; those cheapies can even get the job done, and with some of those scanner models you even get software that helps you manipulate and create digital graphic files, software like Adobe PhotoShop LE, etc. Think about this idea, if all NakTalkers pledged to themselves an obligation to find a way to contribute to the ftp.naks.com archive, just one item each, what a fantastic collection we'll all have to use together! Get with it then, understand your obligation to actively participate, feel good about making an extra effort to contribute to something special!!! Regards, K.J. Bleus Madison, Wisc USA --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html ____________________________________________________________ Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus From BADANTH at aol.com Sat May 3 01:36:26 2003 From: BADANTH at aol.com (BADANTH at aol.com) Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 19:36:26 EDT Subject: [naktalk] FTP Come on Now Message-ID: <6.100d56af.2be45afa@aol.com> I've just purchased my first Nak deck and have had an excellent experience using this list as of today. I don't see why the information can't be for everone who needs it either. Most forums, sites or lists share info for free and don't care who gets it. I understand why you don't wish to extend this service to the certain few who over indulge or make a prophet, but what about the rest of us? I'll continue to read and learn from you experienced users until you close the site down and then I'll be happy. Then I would be used to having no free easy information like in the old days, before the world wide fiasco came to be... Much thanks and tally ho, Anthony -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From calijente at gmx.net Sat May 3 01:41:54 2003 From: calijente at gmx.net (calijente at gmx.net) Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 18:41:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Manual Nakamichi MR-1 In-Reply-To: <3EB2FC96.24441564@rcn.com> Message-ID: <001101c31104$6d444d40$0d7cce80@Tweezzy> Thanks a lot Ron, I appreciate it! Gabe > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron > Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 5:18 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manual Nakamichi MR-1 > > > calijente at gmx.net wrote: > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > Maybe is not quite the right time to ask :-) but I was wandering > > whether somebody has the Nakamichi MR-1 owner and/or > service manuals > > and is willing to share them. I bought a MR-1 from E-bay > and spent the > > whole day on the Internet looking for manuals, without finding any > > (neither for free, nor for sale). > > > > Thank you for any information that might bring me closer to the > > manuals :-) > > > > Gabe > > I would love to get an MR-1 service manual. For the time > being, it's 80% the same as BX-300, for which I do have the > manual. If someone that has the service manual is willing to > scan it, I will be eternally grateful. > > I have a hard copy of the MR-1 user's manual. Give me a few days and > I'll scan it for you. No charge :-) > > -- Ron > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ------------========= > > From gaderson at mac.com Sat May 3 03:14:17 2003 From: gaderson at mac.com (Erik Gaderlund) Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 18:14:17 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Manual Nakamichi MR-1 In-Reply-To: <3EB2FC96.24441564@rcn.com> References: <000b01c310fb$06e59210$0d7cce80@Tweezzy> <3EB2FC96.24441564@rcn.com> Message-ID: At 19:17 -0400 05/02/03, Ron wrote: >calijente at gmx.net wrote: >> >> Hi everyone, >> >> Maybe is not quite the right time to ask :-) but I was wandering whether >> somebody has the Nakamichi MR-1 owner and/or service manuals and is willing >> to share them. I bought a MR-1 from E-bay and spent the whole day on the >> Internet looking for manuals, without finding any (neither for free, nor for >> sale). >> >> Thank you for any information that might bring me closer to the manuals :-) >> >> Gabe > >I would love to get an MR-1 service manual. For the time being, it's >80% the same as BX-300, for which I do have the manual. If someone >that has the service manual is willing to scan it, I will be eternally >grateful. > >I have a hard copy of the MR-1 user's manual. Give me a few days and >I'll scan it for you. No charge :-) > Now the question is there a service manual for this, I've also got a User manual, but, to keep my tapes from sticking I'd be interested in a service manual. erik g From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat May 3 05:14:39 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 10:14:39 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] original service manual References: Message-ID: <003701c31122$22c67ea0$60299bca@smarzuki> Hi Bleus and all, Well, sorry to comment but there are only a limited number of Nak models and a huge number of nak owners. With upload ratio in effect and the ftp is almost full, we can be sure that at a point one CR owner simply can't participate anymore and won't be able to access the manual he needs. Just take a look at Stephen's 'compatibility list' http://support.naks.com/home.html ... even long time ago we almost covered all deck models (i.e. getting BX300 manual for distant twin MR1). Imho it is excellent email comments from Stephen or Ron or others that we can not buy *anywhere*. I downloaded many manuals to learn what made Naks tick, found the informative 582 service manual (contributed by Norman van Wijnen), and bought many other manuals before I finally contributed. So I feel that the manuals are from user and for user while helping many other people. Most nak owners or non-collectors will only need one manual anyway. For current nakkers in dire need for a service manual, try contacting www.schaltungsdienst.de or tannenbaum site, the cost is next to nothing compared to the life of your beloved naks and the clarity of schematics is unbeatable compared to any scanned manual. Good luck ! Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: The BlueSwapper To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: blueswapper at angelfire.com Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 6:32 AM Subject: [naktalk] Get With It You NakTalkers!!! (ftp.naks.com) I'm just slightly amazed, puzzled too....... Some of you guys just don't get it, do you? The name of the game here is to make contributions, help out your fellow NakTalkers, not only by your often excellent email info sharing, but also by going out and procuring something that you personally need that is also a real physical contribution that can be made to the ftp.naks.com archive. You know, for example, like maybe you personally need that 550 users manual, T-100 brochure, or ZX7 service manual; so you get proactive and realize that you'll need to invest monetarily to procure a few manuals or brochures that you can personally possess and also contribute to ftp.naks.com. If all NakTalkers pledged to purchased and contribute just one Nak audio gear info item, imagine what we'd accumulate! Powerful stuff, eh? So, you get motivated, roll up your sleeves, do some investigating, make an investment buying a manual or brochure (like thru an ebay.com auction), and then find a way to scan the original hard copies into .jpeg or .pdf file format for uploading to the ftp.naks.com server. Hey, its clear that if you can afford classic Nakamichi audio gear in your personal collection, you can certainly afford to invest in at least a cheap tabletop scanner for $50 or $100; those cheapies can even get the job done, and with some of those scanner models you even get software that helps you manipulate and create digital graphic files, software like Adobe PhotoShop LE, etc. Think about this idea, if all NakTalkers pledged to themselves an obligation to find a way to contribute to the ftp.naks.com archive, just one item each, what a fantastic collection we'll all have to use together! Get with it then, understand your obligation to actively participate, feel good about making an extra effort to contribute to something special!!! Regards, K.J. Bleus Madison, Wisc USA From jvbrhg at seanet.com Sat May 3 05:46:01 2003 From: jvbrhg at seanet.com (Babin/Greseth) Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 20:46:01 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] FTP site access ... a proposal ... References: <18072.212.78.179.234.1051869246.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl><5.2.1.1.2.20030502204220.02bb4de0@box.tin.it> <001a01c310ed$fd34dee0$953e7ad5@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <003501c31126$841c9140$b91c0cd0@j2h5b3> Easy there Big Guy... ----- Original Message ----- From: Terence Finn To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 13:59 Subject: Re: [naktalk] FTP site access ... a proposal ... Hi Guys I Might be missing something here but as the manual thing is getting out of hand why don't you start paying for the manuals you want/need. You all seem to have made a killing on getting your Naks a mostly rock bottom prices, the info exchanged on this forum and the efforts of the various individuals who have maintained it so far is incredible and free, but worth its weight in TDK Metal cased cassettes and Nak Jigs!! You have to pay for old automobile manuals, and if your local library had your favourite Nak manual you would have to pay a copying charge. If they are currently on E-bay for $10/20 that seems a small price to pay . If individuals want to swap that's fine but as they say north of Watford Gap "you get Owt for Nowt" (A manual to explain the translation is Not available on the server at this time!!) Your comments please Regards Terry ----- Original Message ----- From: Ezio To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks ; Wouter Heijke Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 7:56 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] FTP site access ... a proposal ... Thanks Ron for the explaination of the arcane . In facts I have been able dowloading some manuals and then suddenly the site disappeared. Wouter, I deeply understand you and I have found myself too very upsetting the fact of having the manuals sold on eBay . I think the rules you and the fellows will decide prior to restore the site are fair even if the same rules will eventually keep me off .... will see. Let me suggest a circumvention of the problem ... likely ... you could give PERSONAL and UNIQUE userIDs and passwords ... so you could somehow trace the ''escape'' of manuals .... alternatively we could crypt the manuals with ''personal and unique keys'' (a feature of ACROBAT full license or if you prefer some other cryptographic application) so to make absolutely impossible to make copies or distribute the manuals WITHOUT the PERSONAL and UNIQUE password/key and hence either identifying the stealer either making un-usable the stolen copy. Dear Wouter + dear friends ... what do you think about it ? Could it be a form of warranty for our belowed manuals / work / money in collecting them ? OBVIOUSLY I am extremely thankful for what Wouter and the other friends have done so far for the love of Naka stuff. Sincerely Ezio At 10.54 02/05/03 -0400, Ron wrote: Wouter, I am the member of the list that downloaded files and offered help to genuine members of the NakTalk list. I am sorry that my action has irritated you and that you decided to close down the ftp site. I want to assure you that I am a bona fide audiophile. I have owned Nakamichi recorders of one model or another for almost 30 years. I have been on the NakTalk list for years now and have continually participated actively. Until recently, I only downloaded a couple of manuals I actually needed. My only purpose is to help fellow nakophiles with our common hobby. After all, isn't this the purpose of NakTalk? Only recently I made PCB layout diagrams of the Sankyo capstan motor (that Nakamichi did not include in the manuals) and offered it to everyone on the list. I have never gained anything from helping list members with data, manuals or technical advice, it's the other way around, I have spent money to provide this help and expected nothing in return except maybe a thank you. I am very sorry about the manual present situation, where the unscrupulous few have spoiled so much for genuine list members. I thought the manuals on the site were there for these members. If you wish, just say so and I will never again help anyone with manuals I downloaded from the site. However, I ask you to reconsider -- what's the point of lovingly collecting all this data together in one place, if the people that deserve to benefit from it are not allowed to? One solution may be, giving access to NakTalk members after, say, two years. This will weed out those that are here only for the manuals. My problem with the 'download for upload' scheme is that the only manuals I have that did not come for the ftp site are already there - I have nothing new to contribute. You have done a great service for out hobby, for which you have my deepest thanks. Peace, -- Ron Wouter Heijke wrote: > > Hi All, > > After reading some disturbing messages on naktalk about people downloading > all files for their own distribution made me decide that i've had it!! > > The FTP site is down and will stay down, at least for the big audience > that only seems to be a member of this list to get access to the pdf > files. > > So all members who want only manuals etc can unsubscribe now. > > A new FTP site will be there in the near future only for those who > contributed. > > Thank you for your attention. > > Wouter ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site http://www.lucenti.com My pages about digital photography ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fidelman at telcel.net.ve Sat May 3 06:13:33 2003 From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman) Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 00:13:33 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Get With It You NakTalkers!!! (ftp.naks.com) References: Message-ID: <001601c3112a$60758900$4a6523c8@g8nsv> I guess you said it all my friend...I totally agree with you in this one... Isy ----- Original Message ----- From: "The BlueSwapper" To: Cc: Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 7:32 PM Subject: [naktalk] Get With It You NakTalkers!!! (ftp.naks.com) > I'm just slightly amazed, puzzled too....... > > Some of you guys just don't get it, do you? The name of the game here is to make contributions, help out your fellow NakTalkers, not only by your often excellent email info sharing, but also by going out and procuring something that you personally need that is also a real physical contribution that can be made to the ftp.naks.com archive. You know, for example, like maybe you personally need that 550 users manual, T-100 brochure, or ZX7 service manual; so you get proactive and realize that you'll need to invest monetarily to procure a few manuals or brochures that you can personally possess and also contribute to ftp.naks.com. If all NakTalkers pledged to purchased and contribute just one Nak audio gear info item, imagine what we'd accumulate! Powerful stuff, eh? > > So, you get motivated, roll up your sleeves, do some investigating, make an investment buying a manual or brochure (like thru an ebay.com auction), and then find a way to scan the original hard copies into .jpeg or .pdf file format for uploading to the ftp.naks.com server. Hey, its clear that if you can afford classic Nakamichi audio gear in your personal collection, you can certainly afford to invest in at least a cheap tabletop scanner for $50 or $100; those cheapies can even get the job done, and with some of those scanner models you even get software that helps you manipulate and create digital graphic files, software like Adobe PhotoShop LE, etc. > > Think about this idea, if all NakTalkers pledged to themselves an obligation to find a way to contribute to the ftp.naks.com archive, just one item each, what a fantastic collection we'll all have to use together! Get with it then, understand your obligation to actively participate, feel good about making an extra effort to contribute to something special!!! > > Regards, > > K.J. Bleus > Madison, Wisc USA > > --- > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! > Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > From blueswapper at angelfire.com Sat May 3 07:31:53 2003 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 22:31:53 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Get With It You NakTalkers!!! (ftp.naks.com) Message-ID: Salim, et al..... Consider that if we get organized and determine what is required to build a really comprehensive archive at ftp.naks.com, then those willing to apply themselves can be designated to pursue particular items that will be accumulated for the common cause. That way we maximize procurement, and make some significant gains in a relatively short period of time. Each contributor spends perhaps (I'm tossing around $$'s now) $20 or $30 equivalent, buys an item or two individually thru ebay.com auctions or other sources, scans and uploads to ftp.naks.com, and we all share the wealth of accumulated information. The benefits are clear; we have the personal desire as collectors of Nak gear info to have access to the archive for general reading or reference to our beloved Nak gear, so we all kick in some of the cost to develop the desired content of the archive. As a community, we're collectively investing in our own current interests and (this is significant) for future NakTalkers, maybe the next generation of Nak analog collectors that will carry on after many of us have departed. I'm fully behind Wouter's efforts. I'm also confident that he will find a measurable and equitable way to manage the archive, even more effectively after we build the archive to its full potential with a more concerted participative approach. We need to be organized and agreeably supporting a plan of action. Perhaps my ideas can be the primer to get something going. Actually, there is alot of Nak info out there to be procured - Like marketing brochures (30 or forty of 'em), users manuals, service manuals, audio magazine tech articles, magazine adverts, and potential other items. Maybe 150+ items that we could accumulate in a comprehensive archive. Also, some NakTalkers might offer to develop FAQ's from the voluminous past NakTalk Digests (anyone harboring all the digests going back to 1998?). Home-made FAQ's can be powerful documents, well worth the effort and surely appreciated by many of us NakTalkers. Now that's all something to get excited about, wouldn't you agree! Regards, Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html ----- Original Message ----- Hi Bleus and all, Well, sorry to comment but there are only a limited number of Nak models and a huge number of nak owners. With upload ratio in effect and the ftp is almost full, we can be sure that at a point one CR owner simply can't participate anymore and won't be able to access the manual he needs. Just take a look at Stephen's 'compatibility list' http://support.naks.com/home.html ... even long time ago we almost covered all deck models (i.e. getting BX300 manual for distant twin MR1). Imho it is excellent email comments from Stephen or Ron or others that we can not buy *anywhere*. I downloaded many manuals to learn what made Naks tick, found the informative 582 service manual (contributed by Norman van Wijnen), and bought many other manuals before I finally contributed. So I feel that the manuals are from user and for user while helping many other people. Most Nak owners or non-collectors will only need one manual anyway. For current nakkers in dire need for a service manual, try contacting www.schaltungsdienst.de or tannenbaum site, the cost is next to nothing compared to the life of your beloved naks and the clarity of schematics is unbeatable compared to any scanned manual. Good luck ! Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: The BlueSwapper To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: blueswapper at angelfire.com Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 6:32 AM Subject: Get With It You NakTalkers!!! (ftp.naks.com) I'm just slightly amazed, puzzled too....... Some of you guys just don't get it, do you? The name of the game here is to make contributions, help out your fellow NakTalkers, not only by your often excellent email info sharing, but also by going out and procuring something that you personally need that is also a real physical contribution that can be made to the ftp.naks.com archive. You know, for example, like maybe you personally need that 550 users manual, T-100 brochure, or ZX7 service manual; so you get proactive and realize that you'll need to invest monetarily to procure a few manuals or brochures that you can personally possess and also contribute to ftp.naks.com. If all NakTalkers pledged to purchase and contribute just one Nak audio gear info item, imagine what we'd accumulate! Powerful stuff, eh? So, you get motivated, roll up your sleeves, do some investigating, make an investment buying a manual or brochure (like thru an ebay.com auction), and then find a way to scan the original hard copies into .jpeg or .pdf file format for uploading to the ftp.naks.com server. Hey, its clear that if you can afford classic Nakamichi audio gear in your personal collection, you can certainly afford to invest in at least a cheap tabletop scanner for $50 or $100; those cheapies can even get the job done, and with some of those scanner models you even get software that helps you manipulate and create digital graphic files, software like Adobe PhotoShop LE, etc. Think about this idea, if all NakTalkers pledged to themselves an obligation to find a way to contribute to the ftp.naks.com archive, just one item each, what a fantastic collection we'll all have to use together! Get with it then, understand your obligation to actively participate, feel good about making an extra effort to contribute to something special!!! Regards, K.J. Bleus Madison, Wisc USA ____________________________________________________________ Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus From Mpie at webtv.net Sat May 3 07:32:40 2003 From: Mpie at webtv.net (Dennis Nate) Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 01:32:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [naktalk] Get With It You NakTalkers!!! (ftp.naks.com) In-Reply-To: "Isy Fidelman" 's message of Sat, 3 May 2003 00:13:33 -0400 Message-ID: <20599-3EB35478-2733@storefull-2157.public.lawson.webtv.net> Gee...I know...lets put on a play! Dennis Nate 117 Rich Rd. Yorktown, VA 23693 757-867-8356 Mpie at webtv.net From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Sat May 3 08:27:10 2003 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 08:27:10 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Get With It You NakTalkers!!! (ftp.naks.com) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030503080815.0223a790@box.tin.it> Blues ! Wouter ! .... you have my TOTAL ENGAGEMENT in it . Please, produce a list of what we already have ... just to avoid of buying useless stuff . I also think we must get organized into a proper hierarchical structure ... something like a Club or some no-profit organization ... with president, secretary, technical staff , p.r. (the guy who interfaces the not-members for every question ... querelle ... just to avoid exposing Wouter to answer 1.000 times to the same questions and same arguments ....) , etc. etc. About myself ... I am ready to buy whatever needed to the amount you mentioned and even more if needed . Also , seen that I can have almost any software available ... and having already the almost complete Acrobat Suite .... I offer my time to create the lightest and most secure (crypted ?) Acrobat PDF available at the state of the art. If I will have to study ... I will do it ... seen that a computer professional like me should encounter less problems than other guys while running Adobe stuff. I suggest , also , to share the work to be done with other people having huge bandwidth (I've got 1Mb/s d/l / 256Kbs u/l ADSL ) ... just to make the long work shortened parallelizing it . Also ... I have almost INFINITE WEB space for FREE to host the WEB / FTP site and I offer to Wouter to take the future site on this web space . Please, take the lead and lets make it ! I think we all together can make it and can make something great ! Ezio At 22.31 02/05/03 -0700, you wrote: >Salim, et al..... > >Consider that if we get organized and determine what is required to build >a really comprehensive archive at ftp.naks.com, then those willing to >apply themselves can be designated to pursue particular items that will be >accumulated for the common cause. That way we maximize procurement, and >make some significant gains in a relatively short period of time. Each >contributor spends perhaps (I'm tossing around $$'s now) $20 or $30 >equivalent, buys an item or two individually thru ebay.com auctions or >other sources, scans and uploads to ftp.naks.com, and we all share the >wealth of accumulated information. The benefits are clear; we have the >personal desire as collectors of Nak gear info to have access to the >archive for general reading or reference to our beloved Nak gear, so we >all kick in some of the cost to develop the desired content of the >archive. As a community, we're collectively investing in our own current >interests and (this is significant) for future NakTalkers, ma! >ybe the next generation of Nak analog collectors that will carry on after >many of us have departed. > >I'm fully behind Wouter's efforts. I'm also confident that he will find a >measurable and equitable way to manage the archive, even more effectively >after we build the archive to its full potential with a more concerted >participative approach. We need to be organized and agreeably supporting >a plan of action. Perhaps my ideas can be the primer to get something going. > >Actually, there is alot of Nak info out there to be procured - Like >marketing brochures (30 or forty of 'em), users manuals, service manuals, >audio magazine tech articles, magazine adverts, and potential other >items. Maybe 150+ items that we could accumulate in a comprehensive >archive. Also, some NakTalkers might offer to develop FAQ's from the >voluminous past NakTalk Digests (anyone harboring all the digests going >back to 1998?). Home-made FAQ's can be powerful documents, well worth the >effort and surely appreciated by many of us NakTalkers. Now that's all >something to get excited about, wouldn't you agree! > >Regards, > >Bleus > >--- >Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? >http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html >http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html > > >----- Original Message ----- > >Hi Bleus and all, > >Well, sorry to comment but there are only a limited number of Nak models >and a huge number of nak owners. With upload ratio in effect and the ftp >is almost full, we can be sure that at a point one CR owner simply can't >participate anymore and won't be able to access the manual he needs. > >Just take a look at Stephen's 'compatibility list' >http://support.naks.com/home.html ... even long time ago we almost covered >all deck models (i.e. getting BX300 manual for distant twin MR1). Imho it >is excellent email comments from Stephen or Ron or others that we can not >buy *anywhere*. > >I downloaded many manuals to learn what made Naks tick, found the >informative 582 service manual (contributed by Norman van Wijnen), and >bought many other manuals before I finally contributed. So I feel that >the manuals are from user and for user while helping many other >people. Most Nak owners or non-collectors will only need one manual anyway. > >For current nakkers in dire need for a service manual, try contacting >www.schaltungsdienst.de or tannenbaum site, the cost is next to nothing >compared to the life of your beloved naks and the clarity of schematics is >unbeatable compared to any scanned manual. > >Good luck ! >Salim SM > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: The BlueSwapper >To: naktalk at naks.com >Cc: blueswapper at angelfire.com >Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 6:32 AM >Subject: Get With It You NakTalkers!!! (ftp.naks.com) > > >I'm just slightly amazed, puzzled too....... > >Some of you guys just don't get it, do you? The name of the game here is >to make contributions, help out your fellow NakTalkers, not only by your >often excellent email info sharing, but also by going out and procuring >something that you personally need that is also a real physical >contribution that can be made to the ftp.naks.com archive. You know, for >example, like maybe you personally need that 550 users manual, T-100 >brochure, or ZX7 service manual; so you get proactive and realize that >you'll need to invest monetarily to procure a few manuals or brochures >that you can personally >possess and also contribute to ftp.naks.com. If all NakTalkers pledged to >purchase and contribute just one Nak audio gear info item, imagine what >we'd accumulate! Powerful stuff, eh? > >So, you get motivated, roll up your sleeves, do some investigating, make >an investment buying a manual or brochure (like thru an ebay.com auction), >and then find a way to scan the original hard copies into .jpeg or .pdf >file format for uploading to the ftp.naks.com server. Hey, its clear that >if you can afford classic Nakamichi audio gear in your personal >collection, you can certainly afford to invest in at least a cheap >tabletop scanner for $50 or $100; those cheapies can even get the job >done, and with some of those scanner models you even get software that >helps you manipulate and create >digital graphic files, software like Adobe PhotoShop LE, etc. > >Think about this idea, if all NakTalkers pledged to themselves an >obligation to find a way to contribute to the ftp.naks.com archive, just >one item each, what a fantastic collection we'll all have to use >together! Get with it then, understand your obligation to actively >participate, feel good about making an extra effort to contribute to >something special!!! > >Regards, > >K.J. Bleus >Madison, Wisc USA > > > >____________________________________________________________ >Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! >Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site http://www.lucenti.com My pages about digital photography From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat May 3 09:22:02 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 14:22:02 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Get With It You NakTalkers!!! (ftp.naks.com) References: Message-ID: <001a01c31144$c8d8b700$ee299bca@smarzuki> Hi Bleus, Yes I agree this is an excellent idea. However, considering that probably only about 25% of the community are 'collectors' with the remaining are using 1 or 2 naks max, that idea has been already in effect since the beginning ? Kannan started the FAQ with orange caps issue and other active naksters pinch in 1 or 2 manuals / brochures every once in a while. The rest would probably more active in the discussions and only get the manual as the need arise. Then the ebay 'theft' discussions surfaced and what could prevent similar thing to happen when the comprehensive ftp is completed. So I think this is a bigger issue for Wouter and the download bandwith, perhaps a 'restricted' access to new ftp site would help ? I don't know. Imho it would be difficult to control 'bad guys' to sell our pdf manuals (even 'mint' yet defective item) on ebay. Don't get me wrong, I support your idea of contribution but wondered what next if we can't help fellow naksters or 'newbies' getting what he needed through previous contributions. Maybe I'm wrong but I believe most of us here will not try to profit from the manuals. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: The BlueSwapper To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: wheijke at xs4all.nl ; blueswapper at angelfire.com Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 12:31 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: Get With It You NakTalkers!!! (ftp.naks.com) Salim, et al..... Consider that if we get organized and determine what is required to build a really comprehensive archive at ftp.naks.com, then those willing to apply themselves can be designated to pursue particular items that will be accumulated for the common cause. That way we maximize procurement, and make some significant gains in a relatively short period of time. Each contributor spends perhaps (I'm tossing around $$'s now) $20 or $30 equivalent, buys an item or two individually thru ebay.com auctions or other sources, scans and uploads to ftp.naks.com, and we all share the wealth of accumulated information. The benefits are clear; we have the personal desire as collectors of Nak gear info to have access to the archive for general reading or reference to our beloved Nak gear, so we all kick in some of the cost to develop the desired content of the archive. As a community, we're collectively investing in our own current interests and (this is significant) for future NakTalkers, ma! ybe the next generation of Nak analog collectors that will carry on after many of us have departed. I'm fully behind Wouter's efforts. I'm also confident that he will find a measurable and equitable way to manage the archive, even more effectively after we build the archive to its full potential with a more concerted participative approach. We need to be organized and agreeably supporting a plan of action. Perhaps my ideas can be the primer to get something going. Actually, there is alot of Nak info out there to be procured - Like marketing brochures (30 or forty of 'em), users manuals, service manuals, audio magazine tech articles, magazine adverts, and potential other items. Maybe 150+ items that we could accumulate in a comprehensive archive. Also, some NakTalkers might offer to develop FAQ's from the voluminous past NakTalk Digests (anyone harboring all the digests going back to 1998?). Home-made FAQ's can be powerful documents, well worth the effort and surely appreciated by many of us NakTalkers. Now that's all something to get excited about, wouldn't you agree! Regards, Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html ----- Original Message ----- Hi Bleus and all, Well, sorry to comment but there are only a limited number of Nak models and a huge number of nak owners. With upload ratio in effect and the ftp is almost full, we can be sure that at a point one CR owner simply can't participate anymore and won't be able to access the manual he needs. Just take a look at Stephen's 'compatibility list' http://support.naks.com/home.html ... even long time ago we almost covered all deck models (i.e. getting BX300 manual for distant twin MR1). Imho it is excellent email comments from Stephen or Ron or others that we can not buy *anywhere*. I downloaded many manuals to learn what made Naks tick, found the informative 582 service manual (contributed by Norman van Wijnen), and bought many other manuals before I finally contributed. So I feel that the manuals are from user and for user while helping many other people. Most Nak owners or non-collectors will only need one manual anyway. For current nakkers in dire need for a service manual, try contacting www.schaltungsdienst.de or tannenbaum site, the cost is next to nothing compared to the life of your beloved naks and the clarity of schematics is unbeatable compared to any scanned manual. Good luck ! Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: The BlueSwapper To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: blueswapper at angelfire.com Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 6:32 AM Subject: Get With It You NakTalkers!!! (ftp.naks.com) I'm just slightly amazed, puzzled too....... Some of you guys just don't get it, do you? The name of the game here is to make contributions, help out your fellow NakTalkers, not only by your often excellent email info sharing, but also by going out and procuring something that you personally need that is also a real physical contribution that can be made to the ftp.naks.com archive. You know, for example, like maybe you personally need that 550 users manual, T-100 brochure, or ZX7 service manual; so you get proactive and realize that you'll need to invest monetarily to procure a few manuals or brochures that you can personally possess and also contribute to ftp.naks.com. If all NakTalkers pledged to purchase and contribute just one Nak audio gear info item, imagine what we'd accumulate! Powerful stuff, eh? So, you get motivated, roll up your sleeves, do some investigating, make an investment buying a manual or brochure (like thru an ebay.com auction), and then find a way to scan the original hard copies into .jpeg or .pdf file format for uploading to the ftp.naks.com server. Hey, its clear that if you can afford classic Nakamichi audio gear in your personal collection, you can certainly afford to invest in at least a cheap tabletop scanner for $50 or $100; those cheapies can even get the job done, and with some of those scanner models you even get software that helps you manipulate and create digital graphic files, software like Adobe PhotoShop LE, etc. Think about this idea, if all NakTalkers pledged to themselves an obligation to find a way to contribute to the ftp.naks.com archive, just one item each, what a fantastic collection we'll all have to use together! Get with it then, understand your obligation to actively participate, feel good about making an extra effort to contribute to something special!!! Regards, K.J. Bleus Madison, Wisc USA ____________________________________________________________ Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat May 3 09:31:38 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 14:31:38 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Get With It You NakTalkers!!! (ftp.naks.com) References: <5.2.1.1.2.20030503080815.0223a790@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <002301c31146$096b0f60$ee299bca@smarzuki> Excellent Ezio !!! What do you think guys ? If there's unlimited size ftp to host the manuals / contributions then it will ease the burden of Wouter's bandwith ? Something like a mirror ftp to naks.com ? Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Ezio To: blueswapper at angelfire.com ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 1:27 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Get With It You NakTalkers!!! (ftp.naks.com) Blues ! Wouter ! .... you have my TOTAL ENGAGEMENT in it . Please, produce a list of what we already have ... just to avoid of buying useless stuff . I also think we must get organized into a proper hierarchical structure ... something like a Club or some no-profit organization ... with president, secretary, technical staff , p.r. (the guy who interfaces the not-members for every question ... querelle ... just to avoid exposing Wouter to answer 1.000 times to the same questions and same arguments ....) , etc. etc. About myself ... I am ready to buy whatever needed to the amount you mentioned and even more if needed . Also , seen that I can have almost any software available ... and having already the almost complete Acrobat Suite .... I offer my time to create the lightest and most secure (crypted ?) Acrobat PDF available at the state of the art. If I will have to study ... I will do it ... seen that a computer professional like me should encounter less problems than other guys while running Adobe stuff. I suggest , also , to share the work to be done with other people having huge bandwidth (I've got 1Mb/s d/l / 256Kbs u/l ADSL ) ... just to make the long work shortened parallelizing it . Also ... I have almost INFINITE WEB space for FREE to host the WEB / FTP site and I offer to Wouter to take the future site on this web space . Please, take the lead and lets make it ! I think we all together can make it and can make something great ! Ezio At 22.31 02/05/03 -0700, you wrote: >Salim, et al..... > >Consider that if we get organized and determine what is required to build >a really comprehensive archive at ftp.naks.com, then those willing to >apply themselves can be designated to pursue particular items that will be >accumulated for the common cause. That way we maximize procurement, and >make some significant gains in a relatively short period of time. Each >contributor spends perhaps (I'm tossing around $$'s now) $20 or $30 >equivalent, buys an item or two individually thru ebay.com auctions or >other sources, scans and uploads to ftp.naks.com, and we all share the >wealth of accumulated information. The benefits are clear; we have the >personal desire as collectors of Nak gear info to have access to the >archive for general reading or reference to our beloved Nak gear, so we >all kick in some of the cost to develop the desired content of the >archive. As a community, we're collectively investing in our own current >interests and (this is significant) for future NakTalkers, ma! >ybe the next generation of Nak analog collectors that will carry on after >many of us have departed. > >I'm fully behind Wouter's efforts. I'm also confident that he will find a >measurable and equitable way to manage the archive, even more effectively >after we build the archive to its full potential with a more concerted >participative approach. We need to be organized and agreeably supporting >a plan of action. Perhaps my ideas can be the primer to get something going. > >Actually, there is alot of Nak info out there to be procured - Like >marketing brochures (30 or forty of 'em), users manuals, service manuals, >audio magazine tech articles, magazine adverts, and potential other >items. Maybe 150+ items that we could accumulate in a comprehensive >archive. Also, some NakTalkers might offer to develop FAQ's from the >voluminous past NakTalk Digests (anyone harboring all the digests going >back to 1998?). Home-made FAQ's can be powerful documents, well worth the >effort and surely appreciated by many of us NakTalkers. Now that's all >something to get excited about, wouldn't you agree! > >Regards, > >Bleus > >--- >Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? >http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html >http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html > > >----- Original Message ----- > >Hi Bleus and all, > >Well, sorry to comment but there are only a limited number of Nak models >and a huge number of nak owners. With upload ratio in effect and the ftp From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat May 3 09:36:22 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 14:36:22 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Manual Nakamichi MR-1 References: <000b01c310fb$06e59210$0d7cce80@Tweezzy> <3EB2FC96.24441564@rcn.com> Message-ID: <003201c31146$b262ace0$ee299bca@smarzuki> Hi Erik, To keep your tape from sticking you can use the BX300 service manual as the mechanism is identical. Overall it should be 80% similar to MR apart from balanced in / out. Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Erik Gaderlund To: ra.ah at rcn.com ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 8:14 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manual Nakamichi MR-1 At 19:17 -0400 05/02/03, Ron wrote: >calijente at gmx.net wrote: >> >> >> Thank you for any information that might bring me closer to the manuals :-) >> >> Gabe > >I would love to get an MR-1 service manual. For the time being, it's >80% the same as BX-300, for which I do have the manual. If someone >that has the service manual is willing to scan it, I will be eternally >grateful. > >I have a hard copy of the MR-1 user's manual. Give me a few days and >I'll scan it for you. No charge :-) > Now the question is there a service manual for this, I've also got a User manual, but, to keep my tapes from sticking I'd be interested in a service manual. erik g ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sat May 3 11:18:37 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 11:18:37 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Get With It You NakTalkers!!! (ftp.naks.com) References: Message-ID: <3EB3896D.991F6D4F@xs4all.nl> Blues. You say it the way i feel, 100%!! Thank you! All work on scanning Nak material so far was done by only a few people like myself, who were collecting manuals/brochures over the years, so it is nice to get your hands on 'new' material posted by others! Everytime this is like finding a treasure to me too! This is my main frustration right now and the reason i start thinking in the way like putting in place a credit system. For me the drive to keep scanning has faded since there are simply too little people contributing, for example there are 333 people on this list, so if like you say all would scan only one item.......... I have in my 'archive' more manuals and brochures to contribute but simply think i first need to see more activity from others before i start putting anymore effort into this. So Blues (considered by me as co-owner of this list) i hope your postings on this subject will start things off!!! Thank you! Wouter The BlueSwapper wrote: > I'm just slightly amazed, puzzled too....... > > Some of you guys just don't get it, do you? The name of the game here is to make contributions, help out your fellow NakTalkers, not only by your often excellent email info sharing, but also by going out and procuring something that you personally need that is also a real physical contribution that can be made to the ftp.naks.com archive. You know, for example, like maybe you personally need that 550 users manual, T-100 brochure, or ZX7 service manual; so you get proactive and realize that you'll need to invest monetarily to procure a few manuals or brochures that you can personally possess and also contribute to ftp.naks.com. If all NakTalkers pledged to purchased and contribute just one Nak audio gear info item, imagine what we'd accumulate! Powerful stuff, eh? > > So, you get motivated, roll up your sleeves, do some investigating, make an investment buying a manual or brochure (like thru an ebay.com auction), and then find a way to scan the original hard copies into .jpeg or .pdf file format for uploading to the ftp.naks.com server. Hey, its clear that if you can afford classic Nakamichi audio gear in your personal collection, you can certainly afford to invest in at least a cheap tabletop scanner for $50 or $100; those cheapies can even get the job done, and with some of those scanner models you even get software that helps you manipulate and create digital graphic files, software like Adobe PhotoShop LE, etc. > > Think about this idea, if all NakTalkers pledged to themselves an obligation to find a way to contribute to the ftp.naks.com archive, just one item each, what a fantastic collection we'll all have to use together! Get with it then, understand your obligation to actively participate, feel good about making an extra effort to contribute to something special!!! > > Regards, > > K.J. Bleus > Madison, Wisc USA > > --- > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html > > ____________________________________________________________ > Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! > Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Sat May 3 11:44:58 2003 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 11:44:58 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Get With It You NakTalkers!!! (ftp.naks.com) In-Reply-To: <002301c31146$096b0f60$ee299bca@smarzuki> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20030503080815.0223a790@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030503113703.02c39e30@box.tin.it> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Sat May 3 11:56:29 2003 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 11:56:29 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: to Salim ... (ftp.naks.com) In-Reply-To: <001a01c31144$c8d8b700$ee299bca@smarzuki> References: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030503115150.02c2acd0@box.tin.it> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sat May 3 11:58:44 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 11:58:44 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Get With It You NakTalkers!!! (ftp.naks.com) References: <5.2.1.1.2.20030503080815.0223a790@box.tin.it> <002301c31146$096b0f60$ee299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3EB392D4.340D4148@xs4all.nl> Yes i agree, good idea! So far bandwidth and space are not the problem, a mirror is good since the harddisk in my computer can crash and all data could get lost... I make backups to a second harddisk in the server but a bomb can hit the building ;-) But naks.com is totally self supporting right now, running DNS/SENDMAIL/Apache/Mailman etc etc and Redhat Linux 6.2 for the computer freaks out there (RH 6.2, yes upgrade is needed...) I'm running a second development server at home right now with Redhat 8 for the 'new' web site.. Wouter Salim Marzuki wrote: > Excellent Ezio !!! What do you think guys ? If there's unlimited size ftp > to host the manuals / contributions then it will ease the burden of Wouter's > bandwith ? Something like a mirror ftp to naks.com ? > > Cheers, > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ezio > To: blueswapper at angelfire.com ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 1:27 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Get With It You NakTalkers!!! (ftp.naks.com) > > Blues ! Wouter ! > > .... you have my TOTAL ENGAGEMENT in it . > > Please, produce a list of what we already have ... just to avoid of buying > useless stuff . > > I also think we must get organized into a proper hierarchical structure ... > something like a Club or some no-profit organization ... with president, > secretary, technical staff , p.r. (the guy who interfaces the not-members > for every question ... querelle ... just to avoid exposing Wouter to answer > 1.000 times to the same questions and same arguments ....) , etc. etc. > > About myself ... I am ready to buy whatever needed to the amount you > mentioned and even more if needed . > Also , seen that I can have almost any software available ... and having > already the almost complete Acrobat Suite .... I offer my time to create > the lightest and most secure (crypted ?) Acrobat PDF available at the > state of the art. > If I will have to study ... I will do it ... seen that a computer > professional like me should encounter less problems than other guys while > running Adobe stuff. > I suggest , also , to share the work to be done with other people having > huge bandwidth (I've got 1Mb/s d/l / 256Kbs u/l ADSL ) ... just to make the > long work shortened parallelizing it . > > Also ... I have almost INFINITE WEB space for FREE to host the WEB / FTP > site and I offer to Wouter to take the future site on this web space . > > Please, take the lead and lets make it ! > > I think we all together can make it and can make something great ! > > Ezio > > At 22.31 02/05/03 -0700, you wrote: > >Salim, et al..... > > > >Consider that if we get organized and determine what is required to build > >a really comprehensive archive at ftp.naks.com, then those willing to > >apply themselves can be designated to pursue particular items that will be > >accumulated for the common cause. That way we maximize procurement, and > >make some significant gains in a relatively short period of time. Each > >contributor spends perhaps (I'm tossing around $$'s now) $20 or $30 > >equivalent, buys an item or two individually thru ebay.com auctions or > >other sources, scans and uploads to ftp.naks.com, and we all share the > >wealth of accumulated information. The benefits are clear; we have the > >personal desire as collectors of Nak gear info to have access to the > >archive for general reading or reference to our beloved Nak gear, so we > >all kick in some of the cost to develop the desired content of the > >archive. As a community, we're collectively investing in our own current > >interests and (this is significant) for future NakTalkers, ma! > >ybe the next generation of Nak analog collectors that will carry on after > >many of us have departed. > > > >I'm fully behind Wouter's efforts. I'm also confident that he will find a > >measurable and equitable way to manage the archive, even more effectively > >after we build the archive to its full potential with a more concerted > >participative approach. We need to be organized and agreeably supporting > >a plan of action. Perhaps my ideas can be the primer to get something > going. > > > >Actually, there is alot of Nak info out there to be procured - Like > >marketing brochures (30 or forty of 'em), users manuals, service manuals, > >audio magazine tech articles, magazine adverts, and potential other > >items. Maybe 150+ items that we could accumulate in a comprehensive > >archive. Also, some NakTalkers might offer to develop FAQ's from the > >voluminous past NakTalk Digests (anyone harboring all the digests going > >back to 1998?). Home-made FAQ's can be powerful documents, well worth the > >effort and surely appreciated by many of us NakTalkers. Now that's all > >something to get excited about, wouldn't you agree! > > > >Regards, > > > >Bleus > > > >--- > >Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > >http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html > >http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >Hi Bleus and all, > > > >Well, sorry to comment but there are only a limited number of Nak models > >and a huge number of nak owners. With upload ratio in effect and the ftp > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat May 3 12:14:11 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 11:14:11 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Get With It You NakTalkers!!! (ftp.naks.com) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c3115c$bda6e240$339c4c51@oemcomputer> Consider me "in". It's bothered me quite a while seeing Wouter's goodwill is taken for granted, like this free service is for anybody by right. It's easy to forget that real people sit behind this wonderful service, spending their time and money on it. But for Wouter I'd not have made some wonderful friends, with whom I have contact outside of this list (some of them no longer members!), I'd not have become so enthusiastic about Nak's and to enjoy them as much and I'd not have explored some non-Nak' roads and made some other wonderful discoveries, like that curious Sony MDP that Stephen recommended many messages ago, an example of which he found for me - troublesome SOB that it is, he was right - it is a fabulous sounding player that even my brother admits is the equal of his old Wadia three box ... etc... etc ... The principle is quite right - some of us (some more than others!) owe it to Wouter to give something back to this wonderful club. I've managed to provide a user and service manual for a deck but I'd like to do more. So, I'll gladly invest $25-$30. Tell me what you'd like me to buy, Wouter/Bleus! Also, what about collecting internal pictures of modified Nak's? For example, Wouter's got a Tom van der Hoff modified Nak or two (Dragon and CR7?) and I've got a ZX-9 he did for the previous Dutch owner ... maybe even those of us who cannot do the mod's ourselves could benefit from such a resource by getting an engineer to replicate these mod's? Graham > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of The BlueSwapper > Sent: 03 May 2003 06:32 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Cc: wheijke at xs4all.nl; blueswapper at angelfire.com > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Get With It You NakTalkers!!! (ftp.naks.com) > > > Salim, et al..... > > Consider that if we get organized and determine what is required > to build a really comprehensive archive at ftp.naks.com, then > those willing to apply themselves can be designated to pursue > particular items that will be accumulated for the common cause. > That way we maximize procurement, and make some significant gains > in a relatively short period of time. Each contributor spends > perhaps (I'm tossing around $$'s now) $20 or $30 equivalent, buys > an item or two individually thru ebay.com auctions or other > sources, scans and uploads to ftp.naks.com, and we all share the > wealth of accumulated information. The benefits are clear; we > have the personal desire as collectors of Nak gear info to have > access to the archive for general reading or reference to our > beloved Nak gear, so we all kick in some of the cost to develop > the desired content of the archive. As a community, we're > collectively investing in our own current interests and (this is > significant) for future NakTalkers, ma! > ybe the next generation of Nak analog collectors that will carry > on after many of us have departed. > > I'm fully behind Wouter's efforts. I'm also confident that he > will find a measurable and equitable way to manage the archive, > even more effectively after we build the archive to its full > potential with a more concerted participative approach. We need > to be organized and agreeably supporting a plan of action. > Perhaps my ideas can be the primer to get something going. > > Actually, there is alot of Nak info out there to be procured - > Like marketing brochures (30 or forty of 'em), users manuals, > service manuals, audio magazine tech articles, magazine adverts, > and potential other items. Maybe 150+ items that we could > accumulate in a comprehensive archive. Also, some NakTalkers > might offer to develop FAQ's from the voluminous past NakTalk > Digests (anyone harboring all the digests going back to 1998?). > Home-made FAQ's can be powerful documents, well worth the effort > and surely appreciated by many of us NakTalkers. Now that's all > something to get excited about, wouldn't you agree! > > Regards, > > Bleus > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.476 / Virus Database: 273 - Release Date: 24/04/03 From marcdenis at iquebec.com Sat May 3 12:46:28 2003 From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis) Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 06:46:28 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Quick question In-Reply-To: <3EB2C17E.5E6D36A1@rcn.com> References: <18072.212.78.179.234.1051869246.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <002a01c310d9$7ebc1970$6501a8c0@homepcxp1> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20030503055459.00a8ec70@pop.iquebec.com> At 15:05 2003/05/02 -0400, you wrote: >List-Id: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >List-Unsubscribe: , > >List-Archive: >List-Post: >List-Help: >List-Subscribe: , > >Sender: naktalk-bounces at naks.com >Errors-To: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > >Adam Yousuf wrote: > > > > Hey guys, > > > > Many thanks for the replies to the Auto vs Manual calibration thread. > > > > I just purchased a 700ZXL from e-bay today. > > > > Question. The 700ZXL being one of the first autocalibration decks has Auto > > ABLE (Azimuth, Bias, Level and Equalization) vs the CR7 and 700ZXE etc, > > which only does Auto. > > > > Can you help me explan what the differences are and what the advantages are > > of one system vs the others? > >'Auto' simply means that the calibration is done automatically. The >CR-7 self adjusts azimuth, bias and level (but not equalization), so >I suppose they could have called it ABL :-). The auto record >equalization should improve linearity of the recording. I am not >sure how much af an advantage this is, since the CR-7 has a spec of >20Hz-20KHz +/-2db, without it. > >-- Ron Actually, from what I remember, there is one huge difference between the auto-calibration process of the CR-7 and the 1000ZXL (which I assume, maybe incorrectly, is the same as the 700ZXL on that respect). This is necessary because both machines deal with azimuth in a totally different manner. The 1000ZXL, the older of the two, has a fixed PLAYBACK head (that is, it is not user adjustable unless you use a screwdriver and know what you are doing). Therefore, the auto-calibration circuitry assumes that the PLAYBACK head is always in the correct reference position and adjusts the azimuth of the RECORD head relative to that of the PLAYBACK head prior to making the rest of the auto-calibration (level, bias and probably record EQ, not sure about the latter, I just don't remember, my 1000ZXL has been sitting in a box for too many years now...). The CR-7 is built differently. It has a fixed azimuth RECORD head and a user adjustable PLAYBACK head, even through remote control! When the auto-calibration begins, it adjusts the azimuth of the PLAYBACK head, not to center position but to the best possible alignment relative to its own fixed RECORD head, and then the rest of the auto-calibration level, bias and probably not record EQ (again, it's been years since I played with a CR-7). One thing for sure, Nakamichi could still have called it ABLE, although in a twisted manner, since the CR-7 is one of the very few Nak decks that automatically senses for 120/70 uS playback EQ! ;-) Both machines measure near perfection on all counts. I personally think the 1000ZXL makes slightly better recordings, sound wise, just like the Dragon has always been the best sounding playback deck to my ears. The CR-7 offers a good compromise: simple recording through auto-calibration and simple/reliable manual playback azimuth adjustment, complete with wireless remote control. I think this is what Nakamichi had in their mind when they brought out the CR-7 after having created the 1000ZXL and the Dragon. Cannot comment on the 700ZXE. > > > > Thanks > > Adam > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >_____________________________________________________________________ >Envie de discuter en "live" avec vos amis ? Télécharger MSN Messenger >http://www.ifrance.com/_reloc/m la 1ère messagerie instantanée de France From gwmunger at bestweb.net Sat May 3 14:16:20 2003 From: gwmunger at bestweb.net (geochapp20) Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 07:16:20 EST Subject: [naktalk] Re: Site Access - Naktalk 2.0 Message-ID: <3eb3a504.eb12.0@bestweb.net> If it is broken, let's fix it. If the current version of the site is being abused, and it is, then I certainly think that a new version is in order. Like others before me, I too, think a pay-as-you-go format is fair, workable and simple. If you contribute, you get x number of credits towards future use. No credits in the kitty, then send your money orders to Wouter or whoever is so named; either you cash-in the earned credits for use to some download facility where the documents will be maintained, or send money. Sites cost money to run and ALSO energy, time, knowledge and a whole lot of patience, and I see some sort of control and balance with using this format, or something like this format, as a valid method. So maybe it isn't perfect, but it sure beats not having the information available. If not this, then something like this, may work out OK. Maybe, maybe not, but it may be worth considering. George Munger >Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 16:48:03 -0500 >From: "Dundis, Andy" >Subject: Re: [naktalk] FTP site access ... a proposal ... >To: >Message-ID: > >lets not get nuts about this. nak owners should have access to owners manuals so >as to properly operate them. charge for the service manuals if you must, but let's >try to keep a good thing going for all of us who love and use this recording medium. >regards, >andy > >----- Original Message ----- >Hi Guys > >I Might be missing something here but as the manual thing is getting out of hand >why don't you start paying for the manuals you want/need. You all seem to have made a killing on getting >your Naks a mostly rock bottom prices, the info exchanged on this forum and the efforts of the various individuals >who have maintained it so far is incredible and free, but worth its weight in TDK Metal cased cassettes and Nak Jigs!! > >You have to pay for old automobile manuals, and if your local library had your favourite Nak manual you >would have to pay a copying charge. If they are currently on E-bay for $10/20 that seems >a small price to pay . If individuals want to swap that's fine but as they say north of Watford Gap "you get Owt for Nowt" >(A manual to explain the translation is Not available on the server at this time!!) > >Your comments please > >Regards > >Terry > From marcdenis at iquebec.com Sat May 3 13:20:40 2003 From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis) Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 07:20:40 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Get With It You NakTalkers!!! (ftp.naks.com) In-Reply-To: <3EB3896D.991F6D4F@xs4all.nl> References: Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20030503065203.00d08c10@pop.iquebec.com> Wouter and others, could you please recommend a decent brand name (USB 1.1) flat bed scanner and software to do the job properly under Win98SE and/or MacOS 8.6? What resolution should be used? I have quite a few things (many brochures and press releases, some manuals) I could contribute but I need to purchase equipment and software (and find some spare time) to do so. (Just in case someone cares to offer, sending the stuff to someone else for scanning is not an option I would consider. This collection of stuff patiently built up over the years is just too important to me.) At 11:18 2003/05/03 +0200, you wrote: >Blues. > >You say it the way i feel, 100%!! >Thank you! > >All work on scanning Nak material so far was done by only a few people >like myself, who were collecting manuals/brochures over the years, so it >is nice to get your hands on 'new' material posted by others! Everytime >this is like finding a treasure to me too! >This is my main frustration right now and the reason i start thinking in >the way like putting in place a credit system. >For me the drive to keep scanning has faded since there are simply too >little people contributing, for example there are 333 people on this list, >so if like you say all would scan only one item.......... >I have in my 'archive' more manuals and brochures to contribute but simply >think i first need to see more activity from others before i start putting >anymore effort into this. > >So Blues (considered by me as co-owner of this list) i hope your postings >on this subject will start things off!!! > >Thank you! > >Wouter > > >The BlueSwapper wrote: > > > I'm just slightly amazed, puzzled too....... > > > > Some of you guys just don't get it, do you? The name of the game here > is to make contributions, help out your fellow NakTalkers, not only by > your often excellent email info sharing, but also by going out and > procuring something that you personally need that is also a real physical > contribution that can be made to the ftp.naks.com archive. You know, for > example, like maybe you personally need that 550 users manual, T-100 > brochure, or ZX7 service manual; so you get proactive and realize that > you'll need to invest monetarily to procure a few manuals or brochures > that you can personally possess and also contribute to ftp.naks.com. If > all NakTalkers pledged to purchased and contribute just one Nak audio > gear info item, imagine what we'd accumulate! Powerful stuff, eh? > > > > So, you get motivated, roll up your sleeves, do some investigating, > make an investment buying a manual or brochure (like thru an ebay.com > auction), and then find a way to scan the original hard copies into .jpeg > or .pdf file format for uploading to the ftp.naks.com server. Hey, its > clear that if you can afford classic Nakamichi audio gear in your > personal collection, you can certainly afford to invest in at least a > cheap tabletop scanner for $50 or $100; those cheapies can even get the > job done, and with some of those scanner models you even get software > that helps you manipulate and create digital graphic files, software like > Adobe PhotoShop LE, etc. > > > > Think about this idea, if all NakTalkers pledged to themselves an > obligation to find a way to contribute to the ftp.naks.com archive, just > one item each, what a fantastic collection we'll all have to use > together! Get with it then, understand your obligation to actively > participate, feel good about making an extra effort to contribute to > something special!!! > > > > Regards, > > > > K.J. Bleus > > Madison, Wisc USA > > > > --- > > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html > > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! > > Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >_____________________________________________________________________ >Envie de discuter en "live" avec vos amis ? Télécharger MSN Messenger >http://www.ifrance.com/_reloc/m la 1ère messagerie instantanée de France From croquetgod at yahoo.com Sat May 3 14:19:14 2003 From: croquetgod at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jens-M.=20Arndt?=) Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 14:19:14 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Get With It You NakTalkers!!! (ftp.naks.com) In-Reply-To: <000001c3115c$bda6e240$339c4c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20030503121914.44589.qmail@web13501.mail.yahoo.com> Excellent news! Wouter, may I ask you for following in order to make headway with the naks-archive: 1. please make ftp.naks.com available for UPLOADS again and let the naktalkers know the access data (user id and password). I - and hopefully many other naktalkers - still have a number of reviews waiting for upload as well as the latest update for the 2nd hand prices. 2. is it possible to provide us with a complete list of contents of the archive, i.e. owners' manuals, service manuals, reviews, brochures etc.. in order to avoid duplicates? jens ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei http://premiummail.yahoo.de From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat May 3 16:14:12 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 21:14:12 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: to Salim ... (ftp.naks.com) References: <5.2.1.1.2.20030503115150.02c2acd0@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <000d01c3117e$45d2cbe0$86199bca@smarzuki> Hi Ezio, You are full of good ideas ! I've also seen pdf file that can not be edited using Acrobat (not reader), probably we can put a "stolen from naks.com" on contents page or something like that then encrypt the pdf ... Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Ezio To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 4:56 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: to Salim ... (ftp.naks.com) Salim, I suggest to crypt with unique and personal codes the pdf given to ''newbies'' or people missing contributions. The crypto feature should permit to view the manual ONLY to the guy owning the key ! ... this would mean ... you want distribute the manual on eBay ? ... then you have to give also the key ... and then we know the source .... I have to investigate how to achieve this level of security / signature , but definitely there should be a way of signing a document to prevent it to be opened by everybody ... and having the key following the document ....... ... I am still thinking to this ... but I am barely sure it is possible . Ezio At 14.22 03/05/03 +0700, you wrote: Hi Bleus, Yes I agree this is an excellent idea. However, considering that probably From n.van.wijnen at home.nl Sat May 3 16:27:40 2003 From: n.van.wijnen at home.nl (norman van wijnen) Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 16:27:40 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] FTP site access References: <18072.212.78.179.234.1051869246.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <004401c31180$27606260$0200a8c0@CC132114B> Hoi wouter, zijn er grote problemen met de ftp site? worden er manuals verkocht of zp? groetjes Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wouter Heijke" To: Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 11:54 Subject: [naktalk] FTP site access > Hi All, > > After reading some disturbing messages on naktalk about people downloading > all files for their own distribution made me decide that i've had it!! > > The FTP site is down and will stay down, at least for the big audience > that only seems to be a member of this list to get access to the pdf > files. > > So all members who want only manuals etc can unsubscribe now. > > A new FTP site will be there in the near future only for those who > contributed. > > Thank you for your attention. > > Wouter > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From n.van.wijnen at home.nl Sat May 3 16:36:02 2003 From: n.van.wijnen at home.nl (norman van wijnen) Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 16:36:02 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Get With It You NakTalkers!!! (ftp.naks.com) References: <3EB3896D.991F6D4F@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <007001c31181$52dca0b0$0200a8c0@CC132114B> Hi guy's i agree with that , it must be possible to get al the manuals on the site. With 300 members it must be peanuts. Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wouter Heijke" To: ; "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 11:18 Subject: Re: [naktalk] Get With It You NakTalkers!!! (ftp.naks.com) > Blues. > > You say it the way i feel, 100%!! > Thank you! > > All work on scanning Nak material so far was done by only a few people like myself, who were collecting manuals/brochures over the years, so it is nice to get your hands on 'new' material posted by others! Everytime this is like finding a treasure to me too! > This is my main frustration right now and the reason i start thinking in the way like putting in place a credit system. > For me the drive to keep scanning has faded since there are simply too little people contributing, for example there are 333 people on this list, so if like you say all would scan only one item.......... > I have in my 'archive' more manuals and brochures to contribute but simply think i first need to see more activity from others before i start putting anymore effort into this. > > So Blues (considered by me as co-owner of this list) i hope your postings on this subject will start things off!!! > > Thank you! > > Wouter > > > The BlueSwapper wrote: > > > I'm just slightly amazed, puzzled too....... > > > > Some of you guys just don't get it, do you? The name of the game here is to make contributions, help out your fellow NakTalkers, not only by your often excellent email info sharing, but also by going out and procuring something that you personally need that is also a real physical contribution that can be made to the ftp.naks.com archive. You know, for example, like maybe you personally need that 550 users manual, T-100 brochure, or ZX7 service manual; so you get proactive and realize that you'll need to invest monetarily to procure a few manuals or brochures that you can personally possess and also contribute to ftp.naks.com. If all NakTalkers pledged to purchased and contribute just one Nak audio gear info item, imagine what we'd accumulate! Powerful stuff, eh? > > > > So, you get motivated, roll up your sleeves, do some investigating, make an investment buying a manual or brochure (like thru an ebay.com auction), and then find a way to scan the original hard copies into .jpeg or .pdf file format for uploading to the ftp.naks.com server. Hey, its clear that if you can afford classic Nakamichi audio gear in your personal collection, you can certainly afford to invest in at least a cheap tabletop scanner for $50 or $100; those cheapies can even get the job done, and with some of those scanner models you even get software that helps you manipulate and create digital graphic files, software like Adobe PhotoShop LE, etc. > > > > Think about this idea, if all NakTalkers pledged to themselves an obligation to find a way to contribute to the ftp.naks.com archive, just one item each, what a fantastic collection we'll all have to use together! Get with it then, understand your obligation to actively participate, feel good about making an extra effort to contribute to something special!!! > > > > Regards, > > > > K.J. Bleus > > Madison, Wisc USA > > > > --- > > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html > > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! > > Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > From n.van.wijnen at home.nl Sat May 3 16:41:34 2003 From: n.van.wijnen at home.nl (norman van wijnen) Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 16:41:34 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: to Salim ... (ftp.naks.com) References: <5.2.1.1.2.20030503115150.02c2acd0@box.tin.it> <000d01c3117e$45d2cbe0$86199bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <008f01c31182$185944b0$0200a8c0@CC132114B> Hi Salim, i think that we could not do that because in a certain way we "stole" them from Nakamichi. They are the real owners of this manuals, not naks.com Cheers Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 4:14 Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: to Salim ... (ftp.naks.com) > > Hi Ezio, > > You are full of good ideas ! I've also seen pdf file that can not be edited > using Acrobat (not reader), probably we can put a "stolen from naks.com" on > contents page or something like that then encrypt the pdf ... > > Cheers, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ezio > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 4:56 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: to Salim ... (ftp.naks.com) > > > Salim, I suggest to crypt with unique and personal codes the pdf given to > ''newbies'' or people missing contributions. > The crypto feature should permit to view the manual ONLY to the guy owning > the key ! ... this would mean ... you want distribute the manual on eBay ? > ... then you have to give also the key ... and then we know the source .... > > I have to investigate how to achieve this level of security / signature , > but definitely there should be a way of signing a document to prevent it to > be opened by everybody ... and having the key following the document ....... > > ... I am still thinking to this ... but I am barely sure it is possible . > > Ezio > > At 14.22 03/05/03 +0700, you wrote: > > > Hi Bleus, > > Yes I agree this is an excellent idea. However, considering that probably > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > From blueswapper at angelfire.com Sat May 3 16:49:44 2003 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 07:49:44 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Get With It You NakTalkers!!! (ftp.naks.com) Message-ID: Wouter, et al.... Its good that we have several NakTalkers that openly support our ideas. What we would like to see now is a growing number of subscribers joining in and agreeing that they will do their part to contribute to the archives. Let's hope that we soon see their emails posted showing a commitment. Regards, Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html ---original message from naktalk digest--- Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 11:18:37 +0200 From: Wouter Heijke Subject: Re: Get With It You NakTalkers!!! (ftp.naks.com) To: blueswapper at angelfire.com, naktalk at naks.com Bleus: You say it the way I feel, 100%!! Thank you! All work on scanning Nak material so far was done by only a few people like myself, who were collecting manuals/brochures over the years, so it is nice to get your hands on 'new' material posted by others! Everytime this is like finding a treasure to me too! This is my main frustration right now and the reason I start thinking in the way like putting in place a credit system. For me the drive to keep scanning has faded since there are simply too little people contributing, for example there are 333 people on this list, so if like you say all would scan only one item. I have in my 'archive' more manuals and brochures to contribute but simply think i first need to see more activity from others before I start putting anymore effort into this. So Bleus (considered by me as co-owner of this list) I hope your postings on this subject will start things off!!! Thank you! Wouter KJ Bleus wrote: > I'm just slightly amazed, puzzled too....... > > Some of you guys just don't get it, do you? The name of the game here is to make contributions, help out your fellow NakTalkers, not only by your often excellent email info sharing, but also by going out and procuring something that you personally need that is also a real physical contribution that can be made to the ftp.naks.com archive. You know, for example, like maybe you personally need that 550 users manual, T-100 brochure, or ZX7 service manual; so you get proactive and realize that you'll need to invest monetarily to procure a few manuals or brochures that you can personally possess and also contribute to ftp.naks.com. If all NakTalkers pledged to purchased and contribute just one Nak audio gear info item, imagine what we'd accumulate! Powerful stuff, eh? > > So, you get motivated, roll up your sleeves, do some investigating, make an investment buying a manual or brochure (like thru an ebay.com auction), and then find a way to scan the original hard copies into .jpeg or .pdf file format for uploading to the ftp.naks.com server. Hey, its clear that if you can afford classic Nakamichi audio gear in your personal collection, you can certainly afford to invest in at least a cheap tabletop scanner for $50 or $100; those cheapies can even get the job done, and with some of those scanner models you even get software that helps you manipulate and create digital graphic files, software like Adobe PhotoShop LE, etc. > > Think about this idea, if all NakTalkers pledged to themselves an obligation to find a way to contribute to the ftp.naks.com archive, just one item each, what a fantastic collection we'll all have to use together! Get with it then, understand your obligation to actively participate, feel good about making an extra effort to contribute to something special!!! > > Regards, > > K.J. Bleus > Madison, Wisc USA > > --- > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html > ____________________________________________________________ Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus From croquetgod at yahoo.com Sat May 3 17:02:29 2003 From: croquetgod at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jens-M.=20Arndt?=) Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 17:02:29 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: to Salim ... (ftp.naks.com) In-Reply-To: <008f01c31182$185944b0$0200a8c0@CC132114B> Message-ID: <20030503150229.16000.qmail@web13509.mail.yahoo.com> Norman, I guess you are right and the wording as proposed by Salim would certainly not be correct. At the same time I do not believe that Nakamichi is really interested in this "old stuff" anymore: a few days ago one naktalker posted a reply from nakamichi to a request for a nakamichi tapedeck manual which was something like "sorry, this tape is very old and we cannot assist you". Therefore I cannot imagine that Nakamichi have any problems with manuals, bochures etc available for download at naks.com.... Jens --- norman van wijnen schrieb: > Hi Salim, > > i think that we could not do that because in a > certain way we "stole" them > from Nakamichi. > They are the real owners of this manuals, not > naks.com > > Cheers > Norman > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salim Marzuki" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 4:14 > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: to Salim ... > (ftp.naks.com) > > > > > > Hi Ezio, > > > > You are full of good ideas ! I've also seen pdf > file that can not be > edited > > using Acrobat (not reader), probably we can put a > "stolen from naks.com" > on > > contents page or something like that then encrypt > the pdf ... > > > > Cheers, > > Salim SM > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Ezio > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 4:56 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: to Salim ... > (ftp.naks.com) > > > > > > Salim, I suggest to crypt with unique and personal > codes the pdf given to > > ''newbies'' or people missing contributions. > > The crypto feature should permit to view the > manual ONLY to the guy owning > > the key ! ... this would mean ... you want > distribute the manual on eBay ? > > ... then you have to give also the key ... and > then we know the source > .... > > > > I have to investigate how to achieve this level of > security / signature , > > but definitely there should be a way of signing a > document to prevent it > to > > be opened by everybody ... and having the key > following the document > ....... > > > > ... I am still thinking to this ... but I am > barely sure it is possible . > > > > Ezio > > > > At 14.22 03/05/03 +0700, you wrote: > > > > > > Hi Bleus, > > > > Yes I agree this is an excellent idea. However, > considering that probably > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei http://premiummail.yahoo.de From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Sat May 3 17:15:27 2003 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 17:15:27 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: to Norman & Salim ... (ftp.naks.com) In-Reply-To: <008f01c31182$185944b0$0200a8c0@CC132114B> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20030503115150.02c2acd0@box.tin.it> <000d01c3117e$45d2cbe0$86199bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030503165558.02be3330@box.tin.it> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Sat May 3 17:26:06 2003 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 17:26:06 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re2: to Salim ... (ftp.naks.com) In-Reply-To: <000d01c3117e$45d2cbe0$86199bca@smarzuki> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20030503115150.02c2acd0@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030503171737.02be7e30@box.tin.it> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From croquetgod at yahoo.com Sat May 3 17:24:11 2003 From: croquetgod at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jens-M.=20Arndt?=) Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 17:24:11 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Get With It You NakTalkers!!! (ftp.naks.com) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030503152411.62341.qmail@web13504.mail.yahoo.com> ok, let's start: I have following available for upload: - cassette deck 1 review (vs. akai gx95 mk II vs. revox h1 vs. sony tc-k 950 es vs. teac v-7000), stereo march 91 issue, german language - nak 600 owners manual (once I have received same expected within the next week or so..) jens --- The BlueSwapper schrieb: > Wouter, et al.... > > Its good that we have several NakTalkers that openly > support our ideas. What we would like to see now is > a growing number of subscribers joining in and > agreeing that they will do their part to contribute > to the archives. Let's hope that we soon see their > emails posted showing a commitment. > > Regards, > > Bleus > > --- > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html > > > ---original message from naktalk digest--- > > Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 11:18:37 +0200 > From: Wouter Heijke > Subject: Re: Get With It You NakTalkers!!! > (ftp.naks.com) > To: blueswapper at angelfire.com, naktalk at naks.com > > Bleus: > > You say it the way I feel, 100%!! > Thank you! > > All work on scanning Nak material so far was done by > only a few > people like myself, who were collecting > manuals/brochures over the > years, so it is nice to get your hands on 'new' > material posted > by others! Everytime this is like finding a treasure > to me too! > This is my main frustration right now and the reason > I start thinking > in the way like putting in place a credit system. > For me the drive to keep scanning has faded since > there are simply > too little people contributing, for example there > are 333 people > on this list, so if like you say all would scan only > one item. > I have in my 'archive' more manuals and brochures to > contribute > but simply think i first need to see more activity > from others before > I start putting anymore effort into this. > > So Bleus (considered by me as co-owner of this list) > I hope your > postings on this subject will start things off!!! > > Thank you! > > Wouter > > > KJ Bleus wrote: > > > I'm just slightly amazed, puzzled too....... > > > > Some of you guys just don't get it, do you? The > name of the game > here is to make contributions, help out your fellow > NakTalkers, > not only by your often excellent email info sharing, > but also by > going out and procuring something that you > personally need that > is also a real physical contribution that can be > made to the ftp.naks.com archive. You know, for > example, like maybe you personally need that 550 > users manual, T-100 brochure, or ZX7 service manual; > so you get proactive and realize that you'll need to > invest monetarily to procure a few manuals or > brochures that you can personally possess and also > contribute to ftp.naks.com. If all NakTalkers > pledged to purchased and contribute just one Nak > audio gear info item, imagine what we'd accumulate! > Powerful stuff, eh? > > > > So, you get motivated, roll up your sleeves, do > some investigating, > make an investment buying a manual or brochure (like > thru an ebay.com > auction), and then find a way to scan the original > hard copies into > .jpeg or .pdf file format for uploading to the > ftp.naks.com server. > Hey, its clear that if you can afford classic > Nakamichi audio gear > in your personal collection, you can certainly > afford to invest > in at least a cheap tabletop scanner for $50 or > $100; those cheapies > can even get the job done, and with some of those > scanner models > you even get software that helps you manipulate and > create digital > graphic files, software like Adobe PhotoShop LE, > etc. > > > > Think about this idea, if all NakTalkers pledged > to themselves > an obligation to find a way to contribute to the > ftp.naks.com archive, just one item each, what a > fantastic collection we'll all have to use together! > Get with it then, understand your obligation to > actively participate, feel good about making an > extra effort to contribute to something special!!! > > > > Regards, > > > > K.J. Bleus > > Madison, Wisc USA > > > > --- > > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html > > > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! > Sign up today -- > http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei http://premiummail.yahoo.de From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat May 3 18:12:05 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 12:12:05 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Quick question Message-ID: <3EB3EA55.F898A5BC@rcn.com> Marc Denis wrote: > > At 15:05 2003/05/02 -0400, you wrote: > >List-Id: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >List-Unsubscribe: , > > > >List-Archive: > >List-Post: > >List-Help: > >List-Subscribe: , > > > >Sender: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > >Errors-To: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > > >Adam Yousuf wrote: > > > > > > Hey guys, > > > > > > Many thanks for the replies to the Auto vs Manual calibration thread. > > > > > > I just purchased a 700ZXL from e-bay today. > > > > > > Question. The 700ZXL being one of the first autocalibration decks has Auto > > > ABLE (Azimuth, Bias, Level and Equalization) vs the CR7 and 700ZXE etc, > > > which only does Auto. > > > > > > Can you help me explan what the differences are and what the advantages are > > > of one system vs the others? > > > >'Auto' simply means that the calibration is done automatically. The > >CR-7 self adjusts azimuth, bias and level (but not equalization), so > >I suppose they could have called it ABL :-). The auto record > >equalization should improve linearity of the recording. I am not > >sure how much af an advantage this is, since the CR-7 has a spec of > >20Hz-20KHz +/-2db, without it. > > > >-- Ron > > Actually, from what I remember, there is one huge difference between the > auto-calibration process of the CR-7 and the 1000ZXL (which I assume, maybe > incorrectly, is the same as the 700ZXL on that respect). This is necessary > because both machines deal with azimuth in a totally different manner. > > The 1000ZXL, the older of the two, has a fixed PLAYBACK head (that is, it > is not user adjustable unless you use a screwdriver and know what you are > doing). Therefore, the auto-calibration circuitry assumes that the PLAYBACK > head is always in the correct reference position and adjusts the azimuth of > the RECORD head relative to that of the PLAYBACK head prior to making the > rest of the auto-calibration (level, bias and probably record EQ, not sure > about the latter, I just don't remember, my 1000ZXL has been sitting in a > box for too many years now...). > > The CR-7 is built differently. It has a fixed azimuth RECORD head and a > user adjustable PLAYBACK head, even through remote control! When the > auto-calibration begins, it adjusts the azimuth of the PLAYBACK head, not > to center position but to the best possible alignment relative to its own > fixed RECORD head, and then the rest of the auto-calibration level, bias > and probably not record EQ (again, it's been years since I played with a > CR-7). One thing for sure, Nakamichi could still have called it ABLE, > although in a twisted manner, since the CR-7 is one of the very few Nak > decks that automatically senses for 120/70 uS playback EQ! ;-) That's correct. Think about it this way: for a tape to be properly playable on other machines, the record head alignment must be absolutely correct. 'Absolutely' means, not just in relation to the playback head, but in relation to the cassette shell itself. This can be achieved in one of two ways. The first: align the record head on the service bench. Then, to insure best possible sound from the deck, let the user (either manually or automatically) align the PB head to it. The Second: align the PB head on the service bench and require the user (either manually or automatically) to align the record head to it. Nakamichi has used both approaches in various models. For example, the 582 has a fixed (for the user) PB head and manually adjustable REC head. The 1000ZXL does the same thing automatically. The CR-7 uses the second approach, automatically. When you come right down to it, both approaches are equally effective, provided the initial service bench alignment is correct and the user (or the auto circuit) does an accurate job. To me, the fixed REC head makes a bit more sense, because quality of the recording does not depend on the accuracy of the user alignment (though quality of PB does). -- Ron > Both machines measure near perfection on all counts. I personally think the > 1000ZXL makes slightly better recordings, sound wise, just like the Dragon > has always been the best sounding playback deck to my ears. The CR-7 offers > a good compromise: simple recording through auto-calibration and > simple/reliable manual playback azimuth adjustment, complete with wireless > remote control. I think this is what Nakamichi had in their mind when they > brought out the CR-7 after having created the 1000ZXL and the Dragon. > > Cannot comment on the 700ZXE. > > > > > > > Thanks > > > Adam > > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat May 3 18:16:42 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 17:16:42 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Exotic power cables for Nak's In-Reply-To: <008f01c31182$185944b0$0200a8c0@CC132114B> Message-ID: <001f01c3118f$629da540$da7d893e@oemcomputer> I've placed a similar question to this on the sister-site. I'm wondering if any of you have tried out those exotic power cables on your Nak's and have noted any significant differences in their performance? Graham > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.476 / Virus Database: 273 - Release Date: 24/04/03 From wdrewes at iafrica.com Sat May 3 18:46:45 2003 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wdrewes) Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 18:46:45 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CR&7or CR5 Cassette door Message-ID: <000f01c31193$96cd2f80$a8251ec4@private> Can anyone please advise me of the part number for the above?I am still searching for one of these items! Walter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat May 3 19:35:26 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 13:35:26 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR&7or CR5 Cassette door References: <000f01c31193$96cd2f80$a8251ec4@private> Message-ID: <3EB3FDDE.3C2B67C2@rcn.com> > wdrewes wrote: > > Can anyone please advise me of the part number for the above?I am still > searching for one of these items! > Walter >From the CR-7 service manual, the detachable cassette door ('Cassette case cover assembly') is P/N HA04953A. -- Ron From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat May 3 19:47:39 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 13:47:39 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Exotic power cables for Nak's References: <001f01c3118f$629da540$da7d893e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3EB400BB.76AF8958@rcn.com> Graham Nelson wrote: > > I've placed a similar question to this on the sister-site. I'm wondering if > any of you have tried out those exotic power cables on your Nak's and have > noted any significant differences in their performance? > > Graham There is no way a higher performance power cable will make any discernible or measurable -- let alone, 'significant' -- sonic difference in a cassette recorder, except in very unusually severe EMI environment. No, I haven't tried it. -- Ron From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Sat May 3 20:41:22 2003 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 20:41:22 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Get With It You NakTalkers!!! (ftp.naks.com) In-Reply-To: <20030503121914.44589.qmail@web13501.mail.yahoo.com> References: <000001c3115c$bda6e240$339c4c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030503203925.0327d4e0@box.tin.it> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Sat May 3 20:56:46 2003 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 20:56:46 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 4 Mark ... about ... Get With It You NakTalkers!!! (ftp.naks.com) In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20030503065203.00d08c10@pop.iquebec.com> References: <3EB3896D.991F6D4F@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030503204234.03281390@box.tin.it> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Sat May 3 21:01:38 2003 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 21:01:38 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Get With It You NakTalkers!!! (ftp.naks.com) In-Reply-To: <3EB392D4.340D4148@xs4all.nl> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20030503080815.0223a790@box.tin.it> <002301c31146$096b0f60$ee299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030503210013.03280630@box.tin.it> Got it Wouter ! It's more than enough ... Ciao Ezio At 11.58 03/05/03 +0200, you wrote: >Yes i agree, good idea! >So far bandwidth and space are not the problem, a mirror is good since the >harddisk in my >computer can crash and all data could get lost... I make backups to a >second harddisk in >the server but a bomb can hit the building ;-) >But naks.com is totally self supporting right now, running >DNS/SENDMAIL/Apache/Mailman >etc etc and Redhat Linux 6.2 for the computer freaks out there (RH 6.2, >yes upgrade is >needed...) >I'm running a second development server at home right now with Redhat 8 >for the 'new' web >site.. > >Wouter > > >Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > Excellent Ezio !!! What do you think guys ? If there's unlimited size ftp > > to host the manuals / contributions then it will ease the burden of > Wouter's > > bandwith ? Something like a mirror ftp to naks.com ? > > > > Cheers, > > Salim SM > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Ezio > > To: blueswapper at angelfire.com ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 1:27 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Get With It You NakTalkers!!! (ftp.naks.com) > > > > Blues ! Wouter ! > > > > .... you have my TOTAL ENGAGEMENT in it . > > > > Please, produce a list of what we already have ... just to avoid of buying > > useless stuff . > > > > I also think we must get organized into a proper hierarchical structure ... > > something like a Club or some no-profit organization ... with president, > > secretary, technical staff , p.r. (the guy who interfaces the not-members > > for every question ... querelle ... just to avoid exposing Wouter to answer > > 1.000 times to the same questions and same arguments ....) , etc. etc. > > > > About myself ... I am ready to buy whatever needed to the amount you > > mentioned and even more if needed . > > Also , seen that I can have almost any software available ... and having > > already the almost complete Acrobat Suite .... I offer my time to create > > the lightest and most secure (crypted ?) Acrobat PDF available at the > > state of the art. > > If I will have to study ... I will do it ... seen that a computer > > professional like me should encounter less problems than other guys while > > running Adobe stuff. > > I suggest , also , to share the work to be done with other people having > > huge bandwidth (I've got 1Mb/s d/l / 256Kbs u/l ADSL ) ... just to make the > > long work shortened parallelizing it . > > > > Also ... I have almost INFINITE WEB space for FREE to host the WEB / FTP > > site and I offer to Wouter to take the future site on this web space . > > > > Please, take the lead and lets make it ! > > > > I think we all together can make it and can make something great ! > > > > Ezio > > > > At 22.31 02/05/03 -0700, you wrote: > > >Salim, et al..... > > > > > >Consider that if we get organized and determine what is required to build > > >a really comprehensive archive at ftp.naks.com, then those willing to > > >apply themselves can be designated to pursue particular items that will be > > >accumulated for the common cause. That way we maximize procurement, and > > >make some significant gains in a relatively short period of time. Each > > >contributor spends perhaps (I'm tossing around $$'s now) $20 or $30 > > >equivalent, buys an item or two individually thru ebay.com auctions or > > >other sources, scans and uploads to ftp.naks.com, and we all share the > > >wealth of accumulated information. The benefits are clear; we have the > > >personal desire as collectors of Nak gear info to have access to the > > >archive for general reading or reference to our beloved Nak gear, so we > > >all kick in some of the cost to develop the desired content of the > > >archive. As a community, we're collectively investing in our own current > > >interests and (this is significant) for future NakTalkers, ma! > > >ybe the next generation of Nak analog collectors that will carry on after > > >many of us have departed. > > > > > >I'm fully behind Wouter's efforts. I'm also confident that he will find a > > >measurable and equitable way to manage the archive, even more effectively > > >after we build the archive to its full potential with a more concerted > > >participative approach. We need to be organized and agreeably supporting > > >a plan of action. Perhaps my ideas can be the primer to get something > > going. > > > > > >Actually, there is alot of Nak info out there to be procured - Like > > >marketing brochures (30 or forty of 'em), users manuals, service manuals, > > >audio magazine tech articles, magazine adverts, and potential other > > >items. Maybe 150+ items that we could accumulate in a comprehensive > > >archive. Also, some NakTalkers might offer to develop FAQ's from the > > >voluminous past NakTalk Digests (anyone harboring all the digests going > > >back to 1998?). Home-made FAQ's can be powerful documents, well worth the > > >effort and surely appreciated by many of us NakTalkers. Now that's all > > >something to get excited about, wouldn't you agree! > > > > > >Regards, > > > > > >Bleus > > > > > >--- > > >Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > > >http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html > > >http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > >Hi Bleus and all, > > > > > >Well, sorry to comment but there are only a limited number of Nak models > > >and a huge number of nak owners. With upload ratio in effect and the ftp > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site http://www.lucenti.com My pages about digital photography From kannan_s at vsnl.com Sat May 3 23:31:42 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 03:01:42 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Get With It You NakTalkers!!! (ftp.naks.com) Message-ID: <20030503213142.17A1D114914@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From timbarrett at cox.net Sun May 4 00:43:08 2003 From: timbarrett at cox.net (timbarrett at cox.net) Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 18:43:08 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Get With It You NakTalkers!!! (ftp.naks.com) In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20030503210013.03280630@box.tin.it> References: <3EB392D4.340D4148@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <3EB40DBC.20380.1EA8F058@localhost> Salim, Ezio, et al: I support your efforts to make service and user manuals available to those Naktalk members deserving of them, however that is finally determined, and offer what services I can toward the gathering / sharing of manuals. I'm equipped with flatbed scanner, OCR, full Adobe suite including licensed Acrobat / Photoshop, also have a high bandwidth connection so uploading / downloading speed isn't an issue. I have a scant few manuals in the computer already, but may be able to obtain more. Keep up the good work. Tim On 3 May 2003 at 21:01, Ezio wrote: > Got it Wouter ! > > It's more than enough ... > > Ciao > > Ezio > > At 11.58 03/05/03 +0200, you wrote: > >Yes i agree, good idea! > >So far bandwidth and space are not the problem, a mirror is good > >since the harddisk in my computer can crash and all data could get > >lost... I make backups to a second harddisk in the server but a bomb > >can hit the building ;-) But naks.com is totally self supporting > >right now, running DNS/SENDMAIL/Apache/Mailman etc etc and Redhat > >Linux 6.2 for the computer freaks out there (RH 6.2, yes upgrade is > >needed...) I'm running a second development server at home right now > >with Redhat 8 for the 'new' web site.. > > > >Wouter > > > > > >Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > Excellent Ezio !!! What do you think guys ? If there's unlimited > > > size ftp to host the manuals / contributions then it will ease the > > > burden of > > Wouter's > > > bandwith ? Something like a mirror ftp to naks.com ? > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Salim SM > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Ezio > > > To: blueswapper at angelfire.com ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette > > > Decks Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 1:27 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] > > > Re: Get With It You NakTalkers!!! (ftp.naks.com) > > > > > > Blues ! Wouter ! > > > > > > .... you have my TOTAL ENGAGEMENT in it . > > > > > > Please, produce a list of what we already have ... just to avoid > > > of buying useless stuff . > > > > > > I also think we must get organized into a proper hierarchical > > > structure ... something like a Club or some no-profit organization > > > ... with president, secretary, technical staff , p.r. (the guy who > > > interfaces the not-members for every question ... querelle ... > > > just to avoid exposing Wouter to answer 1.000 times to the same > > > questions and same arguments ....) , etc. etc. > > > > > > About myself ... I am ready to buy whatever needed to the amount > > > you mentioned and even more if needed . Also , seen that I can > > > have almost any software available ... and having already the > > > almost complete Acrobat Suite .... I offer my time to create the > > > lightest and most secure (crypted ?) Acrobat PDF available at the > > > state of the art. If I will have to study ... I will do it ... > > > seen that a computer professional like me should encounter less > > > problems than other guys while running Adobe stuff. I suggest , > > > also , to share the work to be done with other people having huge > > > bandwidth (I've got 1Mb/s d/l / 256Kbs u/l ADSL ) ... just to make > > > the long work shortened parallelizing it . > > > > > > Also ... I have almost INFINITE WEB space for FREE to host the WEB > > > / FTP site and I offer to Wouter to take the future site on this > > > web space . > > > > > > Please, take the lead and lets make it ! > > > > > > I think we all together can make it and can make something great ! > > > > > > Ezio > > > > > > At 22.31 02/05/03 -0700, you wrote: > > > >Salim, et al..... > > > > > > > >Consider that if we get organized and determine what is required > > > >to build a really comprehensive archive at ftp.naks.com, then > > > >those willing to apply themselves can be designated to pursue > > > >particular items that will be accumulated for the common cause. > > > >That way we maximize procurement, and make some significant gains > > > >in a relatively short period of time. Each contributor spends > > > >perhaps (I'm tossing around $$'s now) $20 or $30 equivalent, buys > > > >an item or two individually thru ebay.com auctions or other > > > >sources, scans and uploads to ftp.naks.com, and we all share the > > > >wealth of accumulated information. The benefits are clear; we > > > >have the personal desire as collectors of Nak gear info to have > > > >access to the archive for general reading or reference to our > > > >beloved Nak gear, so we all kick in some of the cost to develop > > > >the desired content of the archive. As a community, we're > > > >collectively investing in our own current interests and (this is > > > >significant) for future NakTalkers, ma! ybe the next generation > > > >of Nak analog collectors that will carry on after many of us have > > > >departed. > > > > > > > >I'm fully behind Wouter's efforts. I'm also confident that he > > > >will find a measurable and equitable way to manage the archive, > > > >even more effectively after we build the archive to its full > > > >potential with a more concerted participative approach. We need > > > >to be organized and agreeably supporting a plan of action. > > > >Perhaps my ideas can be the primer to get something > > > going. > > > > > > > >Actually, there is alot of Nak info out there to be procured - > > > >Like marketing brochures (30 or forty of 'em), users manuals, > > > >service manuals, audio magazine tech articles, magazine adverts, > > > >and potential other items. Maybe 150+ items that we could > > > >accumulate in a comprehensive archive. Also, some NakTalkers > > > >might offer to develop FAQ's from the voluminous past NakTalk > > > >Digests (anyone harboring all the digests going back to 1998?). > > > >Home-made FAQ's can be powerful documents, well worth the effort > > > >and surely appreciated by many of us NakTalkers. Now that's all > > > >something to get excited about, wouldn't you agree! > > > > > > > >Regards, > > > > > > > >Bleus > > > > > > > >--- > > > >Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > > > >http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html > > > >http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > >Hi Bleus and all, > > > > > > > >Well, sorry to comment but there are only a limited number of Nak > > > >models and a huge number of nak owners. With upload ratio in > > > >effect and the ftp > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------ > > ------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------ > > ------========= > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------- > >-----========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >To maintain your account please go here: > >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========------------------------------------------------------------- > >-----========= > > > > > Sincerely > > Ezio Lucenti > > Ezio's e-photography site http://www.lucenti.com > > My pages about digital photography > > > ========-------------------------------------------------------------- > ----========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========-------------------------------------------------------------- > ----========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun May 4 02:46:49 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 07:46:49 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: to Salim ... (ftp.naks.com) References: <5.2.1.1.2.20030503115150.02c2acd0@box.tin.it> <000d01c3117e$45d2cbe0$86199bca@smarzuki> <008f01c31182$185944b0$0200a8c0@CC132114B> Message-ID: <001e01c311d6$a6463b80$68299bca@smarzuki> Hi Norman, Yes I remember this discussion before. But good naksters downloading would not distribute the manuals on ebay anyway, so in theory it should not leak out. If in practice it went out of this community then it was 'stolen' from our personal library, so your or my signature on pdf would be OK. Which made me wonder if other services selling serv manual have license aggreement with Nakamichi corp. or what, since they's selling xerox copies and for profit too. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: norman van wijnen To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 9:41 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: to Salim ... (ftp.naks.com) Hi Salim, i think that we could not do that because in a certain way we "stole" them from Nakamichi. They are the real owners of this manuals, not naks.com Cheers Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" smarzuki at indosat.net.id From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun May 4 03:22:58 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 08:22:58 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re2: to Salim ... (ftp.naks.com) References: <5.2.1.1.2.20030503115150.02c2acd0@box.tin.it> <5.2.1.1.2.20030503171737.02be7e30@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <005901c311db$b2d7c120$68299bca@smarzuki> Yup, of course the wording needs to be fine tuned. =) But something like your example below that would point out the original 'source' of the pdf manuals needs to be there to discourage ebay selling (and hopefully to discourage abuse of ftp site). To relieve potential trouble from Wouter perhaps we should put our own name on the scan / manual, such as "Personal Library of Salim, if found please contact salim at wherever" etc so at least the ebay buyer know he's conned. Like I said that would probably not stop the selling anyway, but make it more 'uneasy'. Again, just additional idea to prevent future problem to ftp. Hey I forgot my official 'pledge' like fellow naksters .... I will send another serv manuals, starting with the least thick one, just give me time, lot of it. I can start with ST7 then ZX9 then CR4 ... at least once a year ... have plenty of manuals but very lousy at scanning stuff. I'll leave the grande opportunity to scan ZXL pillow, er, manuals to others =). Cheers, Salim SM - guy with old pc old scanner and dial ups despite cool but also old naks. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ezio To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 10:26 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re2: to Salim ... (ftp.naks.com) Salim, I think it is better to keep anonymous the production of PDF while crypting them with the need of a key to permit the de-cryption. The max we could add is a FRONT PAGE saying something like '' THIS MANUAL IS NOT FOR SALE . This manual is available FOR FREE upon request to Mr. Whoever at the e-mail address: whoever at wherever.com . A lot of material like this manual is available from the personal properties belonging to the members of NAKS.COM (or Nakamichi Fans Club ....) . For inquiries go to www.naks.com and enter the mail-list Naktalk at naks.com . ......... Just a proposal ... an idea to discuss ... please everybody should keep in mind that WOUTER could be heavily impacted by activities like these and hence Wouter has the last word on these proposals. Sincerely Ezio At 21.14 03/05/03 +0700, you wrote: Hi Ezio, You are full of good ideas ! I've also seen pdf file that can not be edited using Acrobat (not reader), probably we can put a "stolen from naks.com" on From blueswapper at angelfire.com Sun May 4 04:38:51 2003 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 19:38:51 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Microphone Info webpages Message-ID: Greetings to my NakTalk/NakChatt friends, I just recently received an email message from a fellow who has placed some interesting Nakamichi microphone photos and user information on webpages. A great reference for Nak microphones that appears available to anyone who knows where to reach these pages: http://computorney.com/nak/ Enjoy..... K.J. Bleus Madison, Wisc USA --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper ____________________________________________________________ Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus From enoyes at snet.net Sun May 4 06:06:24 2003 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 00:06:24 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Get With It You NakTalkers!!! (ftp.naks.com) References: <001a01c31144$c8d8b700$ee299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3EB491C0.5070006@snet.net> I think it's a great idea to feed the server with new stuff (assuming Wouter has the bandwidth), but also agree that many people may be casual Nak users who just need to download an owners manual for their particular deck. If pilferage and resale is really the ultimate issue, then I would simply suggest a watermark on the downloads that would include the NakTalk site address and a notation of being "free, not for resale." I don't think anyone on ebay would want to try to sell something like that! Ed From wdrewes at iafrica.com Sun May 4 12:13:29 2003 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wdrewes) Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 12:13:29 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Get With It You NakTalkers!!! (ftp.naks.com) Message-ID: <002201c31225$d0ae9c60$04201ec4@private> best idea yet ! -----Original Message----- From: Ed Noyes To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Date: Sunday, May 04, 2003 6:22 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Get With It You NakTalkers!!! (ftp.naks.com) >I think it's a great idea to feed the server with new stuff (assuming >Wouter has the bandwidth), but also agree that many people may be casual >Nak users who just need to download an owners manual for their >particular deck. If pilferage and resale is really the ultimate issue, >then I would simply suggest a watermark on the downloads that would >include the NakTalk site address and a notation of being "free, not for >resale." I don't think anyone on ebay would want to try to sell >something like that! > >Ed > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== From m.pelikan at worldnet.att.net Sun May 4 14:48:14 2003 From: m.pelikan at worldnet.att.net (Michael P. Pelikan) Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 08:48:14 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Get With It You NakTalkers!!! (ftp.naks.com) In-Reply-To: <002201c31225$d0ae9c60$04201ec4@private> Message-ID: Hi all - I guess the part I still don't get about all this is the sustainability of this economic model. I mean, how many Nakamichi decks, manuals, reviews etc ARE there in total? If the eager-to-get-in users each send one or two or three scanned manuals, we'll quickly exhaust the archive's need for further material, leaving those who come along later, whose need is no less than those who built the archive, out of luck. Let me put it this way. I have an original 600 user's manual and an original 700II user's manual. I have a clean xerox of a review of the 700 from Stereo Review. I know at least two of these three items are already in the archive - indeed, I downloaded the 700II user's guide before buying my 700II because I was interested in the machine and wanted to orient myself. Then the machine I bought came with an original manual. What will we do when we have all the machines in the archive? Will we get into Off-Topic debates saying, "I've got a 2400 dpi scan of the 700II manual which is better than the scan that's in the archive, therefore, I should be permitted to uploaded it and have it count!" The point is, oughtn't we come up with a way for folks to "support" the archive and thereby gain the right to download materials, even when there's little left to contribute to the archive? Oughtn't we come up with other forms of "contribution" that'll permit newcomers to contribute to the good of the group, participate in discussion, etc? I can think of many reasons that we would want to make the service manuals as widely available as possible, not least of which would be to get them in the hands of what we hope would be a growing number of intelligent, qualified owner-servicers - to ensure a steady pool of refurbished decks into the future. It's little different than the efforts of car fanciers (like the VintagVW folks who look after each aircooled Volkswagens - I'm a long-time member of that group...). I'm just asking that we figure out a way not to circled the wagons so tightly that no one else can gain access to our little hoard.... Thank - Michael Pelikan State College, PA -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of wdrewes Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 6:13 AM To: enoyes at snet.net; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Get With It You NakTalkers!!! (ftp.naks.com) best idea yet ! -----Original Message----- From: Ed Noyes To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Date: Sunday, May 04, 2003 6:22 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Get With It You NakTalkers!!! (ftp.naks.com) >I think it's a great idea to feed the server with new stuff (assuming >Wouter has the bandwidth), but also agree that many people may be casual >Nak users who just need to download an owners manual for their >particular deck. If pilferage and resale is really the ultimate issue, >then I would simply suggest a watermark on the downloads that would >include the NakTalk site address and a notation of being "free, not for >resale." I don't think anyone on ebay would want to try to sell >something like that! > >Ed > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From ti at amb.org Sun May 4 15:57:17 2003 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 06:57:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Get With It You NakTalkers!!! (ftp.naks.com) In-Reply-To: from "Michael P. Pelikan" at May 04, 2003 08:48:14 AM Message-ID: <200305041357.NAA03919@amb.org> Absolutely agree with Ed and Michael! As a newcomer to the list, I was hoping to gain as much information in as short a time as possible about my recently-acquired Dragon. I thought that the naktalk list would be a great resource. When I found out that manuals are available for download (in particular, the service manual), I was happy because I am adept at electronics and there is no better way to gain understanding to the unit. So I downloaded it. Now, I haven't contributed anything to the manual collection yet, and the recent thread made me feel like I somehow "stole" from the work of others. It is more than a little disconcerting and somewhat unwelcoming. I don't know if other new members would feel the same way, but the idea of allowing downloads using a credit system is like going to the library and then being told: "No, you can't check out the books here, you can't even look at them without having donated similar books first." I realize that it takes a lot of work to scan the manuals, and someone has to pay for the space and bandwidth to serve them, not to mention maintaining an index etc. I know it very well because I also happen to be a fan of various other things and belong to other lists and groups, and provide lots of information on my web site for others to see and use (for free, openly and without access restrictions). It is a lot of work but the rewards are appreciation and camaraderie from others with the same enthusiasm. It's simply a part of being "in the community". I want to be able to contribute to this community, and that will happen in due time. I am well versed in audio (although new to Nakamichi ownership), so I could become useful in the naktalk list as best as I could depending on the discussions thread. However I am afraid that I simply don't have much to offer in terms of pdf uploads at this time. Should I be barred from downloads because of that? About those who profit from selling Nak manuals on ebay, there are always going to be people who are out trying to make a quick buck. If we make the manuals "hard to get", the more attractive their offerings become. So by restricting access, we are feeding that behavior. People do searches on the web for information, and if they find it for free they won't pay for it. I think that if we make the Nak manuals openly available, it will essentially kill the "theft" problem (even though technicallly no one here "owns" that information. Nakamichi does). A watermark in the pdf that says "Downloaded from naks.com, not for resale" is a great idea, and at the same time would help promote this community too. I applaud Wouter and others for doing all the work that has been done so far. We benefit greatly and I wish to become a useful contributor of information in the future (not necessarily in terms of pdf uploads). I however do not find that a credit-type system for manual distribution to be member-friendly in general. Sorry about the long post but I wanted to voice my opinion on this. -Ti -- /// Ti Kan Vorsprung durch Technik /// AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA /// ti at amb.org ////// http://www.amb.org/ti/ /// Michael P. Pelikan writes: > I guess the part I still don't get about all this is the sustainability of > this economic model. I mean, how many Nakamichi decks, manuals, reviews etc > ARE there in total? If the eager-to-get-in users each send one or two or > three scanned manuals, we'll quickly exhaust the archive's need for further > material, leaving those who come along later, whose need is no less than > those who built the archive, out of luck. > > Let me put it this way. I have an original 600 user's manual and an > original 700II user's manual. I have a clean xerox of a review of the 700 > from Stereo Review. I know at least two of these three items are already in > the archive - indeed, I downloaded the 700II user's guide before buying my > 700II because I was interested in the machine and wanted to orient myself. > Then the machine I bought came with an original manual. > > What will we do when we have all the machines in the archive? Will we get > into Off-Topic debates saying, "I've got a 2400 dpi scan of the 700II manual > which is better than the scan that's in the archive, therefore, I should be > permitted to uploaded it and have it count!" > > The point is, oughtn't we come up with a way for folks to "support" the > archive and thereby gain the right to download materials, even when there's > little left to contribute to the archive? Oughtn't we come up with other > forms of "contribution" that'll permit newcomers to contribute to the good > of the group, participate in discussion, etc? I can think of many reasons > that we would want to make the service manuals as widely available as > possible, not least of which would be to get them in the hands of what we > hope would be a growing number of intelligent, qualified owner-servicers - > to ensure a steady pool of refurbished decks into the future. It's little > different than the efforts of car fanciers (like the VintagVW folks who look > after each aircooled Volkswagens - I'm a long-time member of that group...). > > I'm just asking that we figure out a way not to circled the wagons so > tightly that no one else can gain access to our little hoard.... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ed Noyes > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Date: Sunday, May 04, 2003 6:22 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Get With It You NakTalkers!!! (ftp.naks.com) > > > >I think it's a great idea to feed the server with new stuff (assuming > >Wouter has the bandwidth), but also agree that many people may be casual > >Nak users who just need to download an owners manual for their > >particular deck. If pilferage and resale is really the ultimate issue, > >then I would simply suggest a watermark on the downloads that would > >include the NakTalk site address and a notation of being "free, not for > >resale." I don't think anyone on ebay would want to try to sell > >something like that! From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun May 4 16:24:45 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 15:24:45 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Get With It You NakTalkers!!! (ftp.naks.com) In-Reply-To: <3EB491C0.5070006@snet.net> Message-ID: <001101c31248$e937cf40$3c8e4c51@oemcomputer> > If pilferage and resale is really the ultimate issue, > then I would simply suggest a watermark on the downloads that would > include the NakTalk site address and a notation of being "free, not for > resale." I don't think anyone on ebay would want to try to sell > something like that! > > Ed A cracking idea, Ed! I was going to suggest the watermark option when another brother did so before me - I have noticed a few people using this for good photos of their own kit when selling it on eBay although, personally, I'd feel flattered if someone nicked one of my digi' photos to use on eBay!! Mind you, I'm not that precious about my ideas and belongings ... Why, Rega have been giving my turntable a mat a trial but I'm not really expecting any return on this if they ever adopt it ... after all, I've only employed plastics existing technology for a new purpose - anyone could have thought of it, and some had I find (e.g. DoNut mat, which is virtually identical to mine.) That reminds me - an idea to share with you guys. If anyone's wanting to try out some new connection leads for their Nak, there's a guy working near me who let me into a little trade secret about a top end UK hi fi maker's expensive connection leads ... they made 'em simply out of platting the inner insulated core of bog-standard coax' cable. So, I've bought 9 meters and am making up a pair right now, including the platting. They certainly look a bit classier than my last batch I made out of some two core cable that looks like slightly over-sized bell wire (which is nice but a bit dull with long runs. Gra' Gra' --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.476 / Virus Database: 273 - Release Date: 24/04/03 From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun May 4 17:06:01 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 22:06:01 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Get With It You NakTalkers!!! (ftp.naks.com) References: <200305041357.NAA03919@amb.org> Message-ID: <000001c3124f$92f12760$971a9bca@smarzuki> Hi Ti, Michael, Ed and all, Let's hope Ezio's help on unlimited space would address bandwith problem and hence overcome that upload to download ratio, so that beginners will again have free access to naks ftp - maybe with certain download limitations ? We're all at one point beginners to all things in life .... discouraging 'newbies' to tinker around with 'needs work' (almost all =) old naks would not be positive to the community after all. Imho let them who are able to contribute increase contributions filling up the ftp ... but let the rest get access to needed help. With so much goodwill here I believe those who had received benefit will also contribute in one way or another. Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Ti Kan To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 8:57 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Get With It You NakTalkers!!! (ftp.naks.com) Absolutely agree with Ed and Michael! As a newcomer to the list, I was hoping to gain as much information in as short a time as possible about my recently-acquired Dragon. I thought that the naktalk list would be a great resource. When I found out that manuals are available for download (in particular, the service manual), I was happy because I am adept at electronics and there is no better way to gain understanding to the unit. So I downloaded it. Now, I haven't contributed anything to the manual collection yet, and the recent thread made me feel like I somehow "stole" from the work of others. It is more than a little disconcerting and somewhat unwelcoming. I don't know if other new members would feel the same way, but the idea of allowing downloads using a credit system is like going to the library and then being told: "No, you can't check out the books here, you can't even look at them without having donated similar books first." I realize that it takes a lot of work to scan the manuals, and someone has to pay for the space and bandwidth to serve them, not to mention maintaining an index etc. I know it very well because I also happen to be a fan of various other things and belong to other lists and groups, and provide lots of information on my web site for others to see and use (for free, openly and without access restrictions). It is a lot of work but the rewards are appreciation and camaraderie from others with the same enthusiasm. It's simply a part of being "in the community". I want to be able to contribute to this community, and that will happen in due time. I am well versed in audio (although new to Nakamichi ownership), so I could become useful in the naktalk list as best as I could depending on the discussions thread. However I am afraid that I simply don't have much to offer in terms of pdf uploads at this time. Should I be barred from downloads because of that? About those who profit from selling Nak manuals on ebay, there are always going to be people who are out trying to make a quick buck. If we make the manuals "hard to get", the more attractive their offerings become. So by restricting access, we are feeding that behavior. People do searches on the web for information, and if they find it for free they won't pay for it. I think that if we make the Nak manuals openly available, it will essentially kill the "theft" problem (even though technicallly no one here "owns" that information. Nakamichi does). A watermark in the pdf that says "Downloaded from naks.com, not for resale" is a great idea, and at the same time would help promote this community too. I applaud Wouter and others for doing all the work that has been done so far. We benefit greatly and I wish to become a useful contributor of information in the future (not necessarily in terms of pdf uploads). I however do not find that a credit-type system for manual distribution to be member-friendly in general. Sorry about the long post but I wanted to voice my opinion on this. -Ti -- /// Ti Kan Vorsprung durch Technik /// AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA /// ti at amb.org ////// http://www.amb.org/ti/ /// Michael P. Pelikan writes: > I guess the part I still don't get about all this is the sustainability of > this economic model. I mean, how many Nakamichi decks, manuals, reviews etc > ARE there in total? If the eager-to-get-in users each send one or two or > three scanned manuals, we'll quickly exhaust the archive's need for further > material, leaving those who come along later, whose need is no less than > those who built the archive, out of luck. > > Let me put it this way. I have an original 600 user's manual and an > original 700II user's manual. I have a clean xerox of a review of the 700 > from Stereo Review. I know at least two of these three items are already in > the archive - indeed, I downloaded the 700II user's guide before buying my > 700II because I was interested in the machine and wanted to orient myself. > Then the machine I bought came with an original manual. > > What will we do when we have all the machines in the archive? Will we get > into Off-Topic debates saying, "I've got a 2400 dpi scan of the 700II manual > which is better than the scan that's in the archive, therefore, I should be > permitted to uploaded it and have it count!" > > The point is, oughtn't we come up with a way for folks to "support" the > archive and thereby gain the right to download materials, even when there's > little left to contribute to the archive? Oughtn't we come up with other > forms of "contribution" that'll permit newcomers to contribute to the good > of the group, participate in discussion, etc? I can think of many reasons > that we would want to make the service manuals as widely available as > possible, not least of which would be to get them in the hands of what we > hope would be a growing number of intelligent, qualified owner-servicers - > to ensure a steady pool of refurbished decks into the future. It's little > different than the efforts of car fanciers (like the VintagVW folks who look > after each aircooled Volkswagens - I'm a long-time member of that group...). > > I'm just asking that we figure out a way not to circled the wagons so > tightly that no one else can gain access to our little hoard.... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ed Noyes > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Date: Sunday, May 04, 2003 6:22 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Get With It You NakTalkers!!! (ftp.naks.com) > > > >I think it's a great idea to feed the server with new stuff (assuming > >Wouter has the bandwidth), but also agree that many people may be casual > >Nak users who just need to download an owners manual for their > >particular deck. If pilferage and resale is really the ultimate issue, > >then I would simply suggest a watermark on the downloads that would > >include the NakTalk site address and a notation of being "free, not for > >resale." I don't think anyone on ebay would want to try to sell > >something like that! ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From matoolz2 at email.msn.com Sun May 4 17:00:03 2003 From: matoolz2 at email.msn.com (matoolz2) Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 11:00:03 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Get With It You NakTalkers!!! (ftp.naks.com) References: Message-ID: <003301c3124d$d9534280$e5dcd243@hppav> Michael, I have just been a member of this e-mail list for a couple of weeks and found it when I was searching for info after I purchased my first Nakamichi 600 deck (black). Since then I purchased one in silver as well but neither one came with a user`s manual I would love to have the manual to go with them and I noticed in your latest e-mail you mentioned that you had one. Is there any possibility that I could get a copy of that manual from you or does anybody else out there know where I might gret one? Any help would be truly appreciated. Thanks, Ernie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael P. Pelikan" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 8:48 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Get With It You NakTalkers!!! (ftp.naks.com) > Hi all - > > I guess the part I still don't get about all this is the sustainability of > this economic model. I mean, how many Nakamichi decks, manuals, reviews etc > ARE there in total? If the eager-to-get-in users each send one or two or > three scanned manuals, we'll quickly exhaust the archive's need for further > material, leaving those who come along later, whose need is no less than > those who built the archive, out of luck. > > Let me put it this way. I have an original 600 user's manual and an > original 700II user's manual. I have a clean xerox of a review of the 700 > from Stereo Review. I know at least two of these three items are already in > the archive - indeed, I downloaded the 700II user's guide before buying my > 700II because I was interested in the machine and wanted to orient myself. > Then the machine I bought came with an original manual. > > What will we do when we have all the machines in the archive? Will we get > into Off-Topic debates saying, "I've got a 2400 dpi scan of the 700II manual > which is better than the scan that's in the archive, therefore, I should be > permitted to uploaded it and have it count!" > > The point is, oughtn't we come up with a way for folks to "support" the > archive and thereby gain the right to download materials, even when there's > little left to contribute to the archive? Oughtn't we come up with other > forms of "contribution" that'll permit newcomers to contribute to the good > of the group, participate in discussion, etc? I can think of many reasons > that we would want to make the service manuals as widely available as > possible, not least of which would be to get them in the hands of what we > hope would be a growing number of intelligent, qualified owner-servicers - > to ensure a steady pool of refurbished decks into the future. It's little > different than the efforts of car fanciers (like the VintagVW folks who look > after each aircooled Volkswagens - I'm a long-time member of that group...). > > I'm just asking that we figure out a way not to circled the wagons so > tightly that no one else can gain access to our little hoard.... > > Thank - > > Michael Pelikan > State College, PA > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of wdrewes > Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 6:13 AM > To: enoyes at snet.net; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Get With It You NakTalkers!!! (ftp.naks.com) > > > best idea yet ! > -----Original Message----- > From: Ed Noyes > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Date: Sunday, May 04, 2003 6:22 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Get With It You NakTalkers!!! (ftp.naks.com) > > > >I think it's a great idea to feed the server with new stuff (assuming > >Wouter has the bandwidth), but also agree that many people may be casual > >Nak users who just need to download an owners manual for their > >particular deck. If pilferage and resale is really the ultimate issue, > >then I would simply suggest a watermark on the downloads that would > >include the NakTalk site address and a notation of being "free, not for > >resale." I don't think anyone on ebay would want to try to sell > >something like that! > > > >Ed > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > ======== > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > ======== > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From croquetgod at yahoo.com Sun May 4 17:08:13 2003 From: croquetgod at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jens-M.=20Arndt?=) Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 17:08:13 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Get With It You NakTalkers!!! (ftp.naks.com) In-Reply-To: <003301c3124d$d9534280$e5dcd243@hppav> Message-ID: <20030504150813.52087.qmail@web13501.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Ernie, I will receive an owners' manual for the 600 within the next couple of days. I can email you a copy in case of need. Jens --- matoolz2 schrieb: > Michael, > > I have just been a member of this e-mail list for a > couple of weeks and > found it when I was searching for info after I > purchased my first Nakamichi > 600 deck (black). Since then I purchased one in > silver as well but neither > one came with a user`s manual I would love to have > the manual to go with > them and I noticed in your latest e-mail you > mentioned that you had one. Is > there any possibility that I could get a copy of > that manual from you or > does anybody else out there know where I might gret > one? Any help would be > truly appreciated. > > Thanks, > Ernie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael P. Pelikan" > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 8:48 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Get With It You > NakTalkers!!! (ftp.naks.com) > > > > Hi all - > > > > I guess the part I still don't get about all this > is the sustainability of > > this economic model. I mean, how many Nakamichi > decks, manuals, reviews > etc > > ARE there in total? If the eager-to-get-in users > each send one or two or > > three scanned manuals, we'll quickly exhaust the > archive's need for > further > > material, leaving those who come along later, > whose need is no less than > > those who built the archive, out of luck. > > > > Let me put it this way. I have an original 600 > user's manual and an > > original 700II user's manual. I have a clean > xerox of a review of the 700 > > from Stereo Review. I know at least two of these > three items are already > in > > the archive - indeed, I downloaded the 700II > user's guide before buying my > > 700II because I was interested in the machine and > wanted to orient myself. > > Then the machine I bought came with an original > manual. > > > > What will we do when we have all the machines in > the archive? Will we get > > into Off-Topic debates saying, "I've got a 2400 > dpi scan of the 700II > manual > > which is better than the scan that's in the > archive, therefore, I should > be > > permitted to uploaded it and have it count!" > > > > The point is, oughtn't we come up with a way for > folks to "support" the > > archive and thereby gain the right to download > materials, even when > there's > > little left to contribute to the archive? > Oughtn't we come up with other > > forms of "contribution" that'll permit newcomers > to contribute to the good > > of the group, participate in discussion, etc? I > can think of many reasons > > that we would want to make the service manuals as > widely available as > > possible, not least of which would be to get them > in the hands of what we > > hope would be a growing number of intelligent, > qualified owner-servicers - > > to ensure a steady pool of refurbished decks into > the future. It's little > > different than the efforts of car fanciers (like > the VintagVW folks who > look > > after each aircooled Volkswagens - I'm a long-time > member of that > group...). > > > > I'm just asking that we figure out a way not to > circled the wagons so > > tightly that no one else can gain access to our > little hoard.... > > > > Thank - > > > > Michael Pelikan > > State College, PA > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of wdrewes > > Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 6:13 AM > > To: enoyes at snet.net; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette > Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Get With It You > NakTalkers!!! (ftp.naks.com) > > > > > > best idea yet ! > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ed Noyes > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > Date: Sunday, May 04, 2003 6:22 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Get With It You > NakTalkers!!! (ftp.naks.com) > > > > > > >I think it's a great idea to feed the server with > new stuff (assuming > > >Wouter has the bandwidth), but also agree that > many people may be casual > > >Nak users who just need to download an owners > manual for their > > >particular deck. If pilferage and resale is > really the ultimate issue, > > >then I would simply suggest a watermark on the > downloads that would > > >include the NakTalk site address and a notation > of being "free, not for > > >resale." I don't think anyone on ebay would want > to try to sell > > >something like that! > > > > > >Ed > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > > ======== > > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > >To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > > ======== > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei http://premiummail.yahoo.de From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun May 4 17:24:31 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 22:24:31 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Get With It You NakTalkers!!! (ftp.naks.com) References: <001101c31248$e937cf40$3c8e4c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <000701c31251$43367840$971a9bca@smarzuki> Maybe the first step we need to take is to watermark existing manuals. Any 'official' logo or final wording we can agree (any lawyer within our group?) ... or should we put our own names on it? Gra, that reminds me ... I just got an oms7ii probably from a 'full believer' ... the left channel was out so I got it at a good price ... turned out that the rca jack and pcb solder came loose from main board thanks to a heavyweight connector ! His loss is my gain though. =) I'm very interested with your mat - found a sticky pad material similar in looks to ebay donut ring but not quite sure about the rough feel. When's the trial version coming out ? Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 9:24 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Get With It You NakTalkers!!! (ftp.naks.com) > If pilferage and resale is really the ultimate issue, > then I would simply suggest a watermark on the downloads that would > include the NakTalk site address and a notation of being "free, not for > resale." I don't think anyone on ebay would want to try to sell > something like that! > > Ed A cracking idea, Ed! I was going to suggest the watermark option when another brother did so before me - I have noticed a few people using this for good photos of their own kit when selling it on eBay although, personally, I'd feel flattered if someone nicked one of my digi' photos to use on eBay!! Mind you, I'm not that precious about my ideas and belongings ... Why, Rega have been giving my turntable a mat a trial but I'm not really expecting any return on this if they ever adopt it ... after all, I've only employed plastics existing technology for a new purpose - anyone could have thought of it, and some had I find (e.g. DoNut mat, which is virtually identical to mine.) That reminds me - an idea to share with you guys. If anyone's wanting to try out some new connection leads for their Nak, there's a guy working near me who let me into a little trade secret about a top end UK hi fi maker's expensive connection leads ... they made 'em simply out of platting the inner insulated core of bog-standard coax' cable. So, I've bought 9 meters and am making up a pair right now, including the platting. They certainly look a bit classier than my last batch I made out of some two core cable that looks like slightly over-sized bell wire (which is nice but a bit dull with long runs. Gra' From matoolz2 at email.msn.com Sun May 4 22:58:14 2003 From: matoolz2 at email.msn.com (matoolz2) Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 16:58:14 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Get With It You NakTalkers!!! (ftp.naks.com) References: <20030504150813.52087.qmail@web13501.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000801c3127f$e35d6080$fbdcd243@hppav> Hi Jens, Sounds great. I would truly appreciate the help. My e-mail address is matoolz2 at msn.com . Thanks, Ernie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jens-M. Arndt" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Get With It You NakTalkers!!! (ftp.naks.com) > Hi Ernie, > > I will receive an owners' manual for the 600 within > the next couple of days. > I can email you a copy in case of need. > > Jens > > --- matoolz2 schrieb: > > Michael, > > > > I have just been a member of this e-mail list for a > > couple of weeks and > > found it when I was searching for info after I > > purchased my first Nakamichi > > 600 deck (black). Since then I purchased one in > > silver as well but neither > > one came with a user`s manual I would love to have > > the manual to go with > > them and I noticed in your latest e-mail you > > mentioned that you had one. Is > > there any possibility that I could get a copy of > > that manual from you or > > does anybody else out there know where I might gret > > one? Any help would be > > truly appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > Ernie > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Michael P. Pelikan" > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > > Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 8:48 AM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Get With It You > > NakTalkers!!! (ftp.naks.com) > > > > > > > Hi all - > > > > > > I guess the part I still don't get about all this > > is the sustainability of > > > this economic model. I mean, how many Nakamichi > > decks, manuals, reviews > > etc > > > ARE there in total? If the eager-to-get-in users > > each send one or two or > > > three scanned manuals, we'll quickly exhaust the > > archive's need for > > further > > > material, leaving those who come along later, > > whose need is no less than > > > those who built the archive, out of luck. > > > > > > Let me put it this way. I have an original 600 > > user's manual and an > > > original 700II user's manual. I have a clean > > xerox of a review of the 700 > > > from Stereo Review. I know at least two of these > > three items are already > > in > > > the archive - indeed, I downloaded the 700II > > user's guide before buying my > > > 700II because I was interested in the machine and > > wanted to orient myself. > > > Then the machine I bought came with an original > > manual. > > > > > > What will we do when we have all the machines in > > the archive? Will we get > > > into Off-Topic debates saying, "I've got a 2400 > > dpi scan of the 700II > > manual > > > which is better than the scan that's in the > > archive, therefore, I should > > be > > > permitted to uploaded it and have it count!" > > > > > > The point is, oughtn't we come up with a way for > > folks to "support" the > > > archive and thereby gain the right to download > > materials, even when > > there's > > > little left to contribute to the archive? > > Oughtn't we come up with other > > > forms of "contribution" that'll permit newcomers > > to contribute to the good > > > of the group, participate in discussion, etc? I > > can think of many reasons > > > that we would want to make the service manuals as > > widely available as > > > possible, not least of which would be to get them > > in the hands of what we > > > hope would be a growing number of intelligent, > > qualified owner-servicers - > > > to ensure a steady pool of refurbished decks into > > the future. It's little > > > different than the efforts of car fanciers (like > > the VintagVW folks who > > look > > > after each aircooled Volkswagens - I'm a long-time > > member of that > > group...). > > > > > > I'm just asking that we figure out a way not to > > circled the wagons so > > > tightly that no one else can gain access to our > > little hoard.... > > > > > > Thank - > > > > > > Michael Pelikan > > > State College, PA > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > Behalf Of wdrewes > > > Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 6:13 AM > > > To: enoyes at snet.net; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette > > Decks > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Get With It You > > NakTalkers!!! (ftp.naks.com) > > > > > > > > > best idea yet ! > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Ed Noyes > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > Date: Sunday, May 04, 2003 6:22 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Get With It You > > NakTalkers!!! (ftp.naks.com) > > > > > > > > > >I think it's a great idea to feed the server with > > new stuff (assuming > > > >Wouter has the bandwidth), but also agree that > > many people may be casual > > > >Nak users who just need to download an owners > > manual for their > > > >particular deck. If pilferage and resale is > > really the ultimate issue, > > > >then I would simply suggest a watermark on the > > downloads that would > > > >include the NakTalk site address and a notation > > of being "free, not for > > > >resale." I don't think anyone on ebay would want > > to try to sell > > > >something like that! > > > > > > > >Ed > > > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > > > ======== > > > > Naktalk at naks.com > > mailinglist > > > >To maintain your account please go here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > > > ======== > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > Naktalk at naks.com > > mailinglist > > > To maintain your account please go here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > Naktalk at naks.com > > mailinglist > > > To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > Naktalk at naks.com > > mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ===== > 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) > > __________________________________________________________________ > > Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de > Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei http://premiummail.yahoo.de > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From rjkent at attbi.com Mon May 5 01:07:33 2003 From: rjkent at attbi.com (Robert Kent) Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 16:07:33 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Resource Message-ID: Hi all! First......thanks to Wouter for the amazing effort he has sustained to keep this great resource alive. Second.....thanks to all the regulars (Salim, Kannan, Kent, Bleus, Ezio, Graham, Ron, George, Jens, Marc, Stephen, Kannan-amazing job on the orange caps!, etc. etc.) who unselfishly contribute advice to the rest of us with less knowledge. I have found the advice of immense help on more than one occasion, and I continue to read the postings on a regular basis to gleen as much information as possible. The true value of this site is the exchange of information. The wonderful bonus of obsolete brochure and manual downloads has been like frosting on a cake! I personally have copies of Owner's, and Service Manuals for the Dragon, Cr-7, and Cassette Deck One that I obtained from other sources. I also have an original Nakamichi Product Line Brochure, Stereo Review Test Peport for the Dragon, and a Dragon Brochure. I would be happy to share any of these items with the site or with other members as needed. The only items I have thus far downloaded are the Gear Mod. Service Bulletin, and Kannan's Orange Cap replacement guide. Frankly, I may never need any others, but it would be comforting to think they would be there if I did. Recent postings by Michael and Ed fairly expressed my feelings on the subject of access.....I hope it is not lost! The idea of adding a watermark of some sort to the downloads sounds like an ideal solution to me. The "Not for Resale" watermark should put a damper on most pirate acivities. I can't imagine anyone taking the time with Photoshop or some other program trying to extract a watermark. Thanks again Wouter! Robert Kent Lafayette, Ca. From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon May 5 04:39:19 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 12:39:19 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Get With It You NakTalkers!!! (ftp.naks.com) Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201FEC@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Yep, I totally agree with you on this Gra'. I'm all for the contribution for this fantastic site, it deserves the very best because it is the very best. Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Graham Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, 3 May 2003 8:14 To: blueswapper at angelfire.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Cc: wheijke at xs4all.nl Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Get With It You NakTalkers!!! (ftp.naks.com) Consider me "in". It's bothered me quite a while seeing Wouter's goodwill is taken for granted, like this free service is for anybody by right. It's easy to forget that real people sit behind this wonderful service, spending their time and money on it. But for Wouter I'd not have made some wonderful friends, with whom I have contact outside of this list (some of them no longer members!), I'd not have become so enthusiastic about Nak's and to enjoy them as much and I'd not have explored some non-Nak' roads and made some other wonderful discoveries, like that curious Sony MDP that Stephen recommended many messages ago, an example of which he found for me - troublesome SOB that it is, he was right - it is a fabulous sounding player that even my brother admits is the equal of his old Wadia three box ... etc... etc ... The principle is quite right - some of us (some more than others!) owe it to Wouter to give something back to this wonderful club. I've managed to provide a user and service manual for a deck but I'd like to do more. So, I'll gladly invest $25-$30. Tell me what you'd like me to buy, Wouter/Bleus! Also, what about collecting internal pictures of modified Nak's? For example, Wouter's got a Tom van der Hoff modified Nak or two (Dragon and CR7?) and I've got a ZX-9 he did for the previous Dutch owner ... maybe even those of us who cannot do the mod's ourselves could benefit from such a resource by getting an engineer to replicate these mod's? Graham > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of The BlueSwapper > Sent: 03 May 2003 06:32 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Cc: wheijke at xs4all.nl; blueswapper at angelfire.com > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Get With It You NakTalkers!!! (ftp.naks.com) > > > Salim, et al..... > > Consider that if we get organized and determine what is required > to build a really comprehensive archive at ftp.naks.com, then > those willing to apply themselves can be designated to pursue > particular items that will be accumulated for the common cause. > That way we maximize procurement, and make some significant gains > in a relatively short period of time. Each contributor spends > perhaps (I'm tossing around $$'s now) $20 or $30 equivalent, buys > an item or two individually thru ebay.com auctions or other > sources, scans and uploads to ftp.naks.com, and we all share the > wealth of accumulated information. The benefits are clear; we > have the personal desire as collectors of Nak gear info to have > access to the archive for general reading or reference to our > beloved Nak gear, so we all kick in some of the cost to develop > the desired content of the archive. As a community, we're > collectively investing in our own current interests and (this is > significant) for future NakTalkers, ma! > ybe the next generation of Nak analog collectors that will carry > on after many of us have departed. > > I'm fully behind Wouter's efforts. I'm also confident that he > will find a measurable and equitable way to manage the archive, > even more effectively after we build the archive to its full > potential with a more concerted participative approach. We need > to be organized and agreeably supporting a plan of action. > Perhaps my ideas can be the primer to get something going. > > Actually, there is alot of Nak info out there to be procured - > Like marketing brochures (30 or forty of 'em), users manuals, > service manuals, audio magazine tech articles, magazine adverts, > and potential other items. Maybe 150+ items that we could > accumulate in a comprehensive archive. Also, some NakTalkers > might offer to develop FAQ's from the voluminous past NakTalk > Digests (anyone harboring all the digests going back to 1998?). > Home-made FAQ's can be powerful documents, well worth the effort > and surely appreciated by many of us NakTalkers. Now that's all > something to get excited about, wouldn't you agree! > > Regards, > > Bleus > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.476 / Virus Database: 273 - Release Date: 24/04/03 ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From Tpfinn at btinternet.com Sat May 3 12:42:11 2003 From: Tpfinn at btinternet.com (Terence Finn) Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 11:42:11 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Get With It You NakTalkers!!! (ftp.naks.com) References: <000001c3115c$bda6e240$339c4c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <000001c312dd$b23fbda0$c88b7ad5@oemcomputer> Looks like we are all starting to walk in the same direction A list of what is missing and currently required would help me as I don't want to double up what you already have Terry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: ; "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Cc: Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 11:14 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Get With It You NakTalkers!!! (ftp.naks.com) > Consider me "in". It's bothered me quite a while seeing Wouter's goodwill > is taken for granted, like this free service is for anybody by right. It's > easy to forget that real people sit behind this wonderful service, spending > their time and money on it. But for Wouter I'd not have made some wonderful > friends, with whom I have contact outside of this list (some of them no > longer members!), I'd not have become so enthusiastic about Nak's and to > enjoy them as much and I'd not have explored some non-Nak' roads and made > some other wonderful discoveries, like that curious Sony MDP that Stephen > recommended many messages ago, an example of which he found for me - > troublesome SOB that it is, he was right - it is a fabulous sounding player > that even my brother admits is the equal of his old Wadia three box ... > etc... etc ... > > The principle is quite right - some of us (some more than others!) owe it to > Wouter to give something back to this wonderful club. I've managed to > provide a user and service manual for a deck but I'd like to do more. So, > I'll gladly invest $25-$30. Tell me what you'd like me to buy, > Wouter/Bleus! > > Also, what about collecting internal pictures of modified Nak's? For > example, Wouter's got a Tom van der Hoff modified Nak or two (Dragon and > CR7?) and I've got a ZX-9 he did for the previous Dutch owner ... maybe even > those of us who cannot do the mod's ourselves could benefit from such a > resource by getting an engineer to replicate these mod's? > > Graham > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of The BlueSwapper > > Sent: 03 May 2003 06:32 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Cc: wheijke at xs4all.nl; blueswapper at angelfire.com > > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Get With It You NakTalkers!!! (ftp.naks.com) > > > > > > Salim, et al..... > > > > Consider that if we get organized and determine what is required > > to build a really comprehensive archive at ftp.naks.com, then > > those willing to apply themselves can be designated to pursue > > particular items that will be accumulated for the common cause. > > That way we maximize procurement, and make some significant gains > > in a relatively short period of time. Each contributor spends > > perhaps (I'm tossing around $$'s now) $20 or $30 equivalent, buys > > an item or two individually thru ebay.com auctions or other > > sources, scans and uploads to ftp.naks.com, and we all share the > > wealth of accumulated information. The benefits are clear; we > > have the personal desire as collectors of Nak gear info to have > > access to the archive for general reading or reference to our > > beloved Nak gear, so we all kick in some of the cost to develop > > the desired content of the archive. As a community, we're > > collectively investing in our own current interests and (this is > > significant) for future NakTalkers, ma! > > ybe the next generation of Nak analog collectors that will carry > > on after many of us have departed. > > > > I'm fully behind Wouter's efforts. I'm also confident that he > > will find a measurable and equitable way to manage the archive, > > even more effectively after we build the archive to its full > > potential with a more concerted participative approach. We need > > to be organized and agreeably supporting a plan of action. > > Perhaps my ideas can be the primer to get something going. > > > > Actually, there is alot of Nak info out there to be procured - > > Like marketing brochures (30 or forty of 'em), users manuals, > > service manuals, audio magazine tech articles, magazine adverts, > > and potential other items. Maybe 150+ items that we could > > accumulate in a comprehensive archive. Also, some NakTalkers > > might offer to develop FAQ's from the voluminous past NakTalk > > Digests (anyone harboring all the digests going back to 1998?). > > Home-made FAQ's can be powerful documents, well worth the effort > > and surely appreciated by many of us NakTalkers. Now that's all > > something to get excited about, wouldn't you agree! > > > > Regards, > > > > Bleus > > > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.476 / Virus Database: 273 - Release Date: 24/04/03 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From calijente at gmx.net Mon May 5 19:14:12 2003 From: calijente at gmx.net (calijente at gmx.net) Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 12:14:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] MR 1 users' manual In-Reply-To: <3EB3EA55.F898A5BC@rcn.com> Message-ID: <007e01c31329$c22a6110$0d7cce80@Tweezzy> Ron, Thank you very much for helping me with this. I am very impressed that someone who don't know me spent his time by scanning, zipping and sending me the manual. I hope to have the chance to help you back or help other people on naktalk. Thanks again, Gabe From gaderson at mac.com Tue May 6 02:28:50 2003 From: gaderson at mac.com (Erik Gaderlund) Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 17:28:50 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Get With It You NakTalkers!!! (ftp.naks.com) In-Reply-To: <3EB491C0.5070006@snet.net> References: <001a01c31144$c8d8b700$ee299bca@smarzuki> <3EB491C0.5070006@snet.net> Message-ID: At 00:06 -0400 05/04/03, Ed Noyes wrote: >I think it's a great idea to feed the server with new stuff >(assuming Wouter has the bandwidth), but also agree that many people >may be casual Nak users who just need to download an owners manual >for their particular deck. If pilferage and resale is really the >ultimate issue, then I would simply suggest a watermark on the >downloads that would include the NakTalk site address and a notation >of being "free, not for resale." I don't think anyone on ebay would >want to try to sell something like that! I'll have to check my copy of Acrobat, but, at my work we came across some PDF files that would not allow printing, which might be an option, but, obviously a pain for those without immediate access to a computer. erik g From HerbChong at compuserve.com Tue May 6 03:25:59 2003 From: HerbChong at compuserve.com (Herb Chong) Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 21:25:59 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Get With It You NakTalkers!!! (ftp.naks.com) Message-ID: <200305052126_MC3-1-3724-8DE5@compuserve.com> Message text written by Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >I'll have to check my copy of Acrobat, but, at my work we came across some PDF files that would not allow printing, which might be an option, but, obviously a pain for those without immediate access to a computer. erik g< Acrobat allows you to turn off printing, editing, and copying via the clipboard. the password protection option isn't very useful for this project. Herb.... From enoyes at snet.net Tue May 6 04:37:56 2003 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 22:37:56 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Get With It You NakTalkers!!! (ftp.naks.com) References: <001a01c31144$c8d8b700$ee299bca@smarzuki> <3EB491C0.5070006@snet.net> Message-ID: <3EB72004.6020909@snet.net> The only problem with that is that a hard copy service manual is pretty much essential at the workbench... a place where I many people might not be keeping their computer. Likewise, you might not want to have to fire up the computer to read the owners manual for your deck. Ed > I'll have to check my copy of Acrobat, but, at my work we came across > some PDF files that would not allow printing, which might be an > option, but, obviously a pain for those without immediate access to a > computer. > > erik g > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Sat May 3 20:21:44 2003 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 20:21:44 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Get With It You NakTalkers!!! (ftp.naks.com) In-Reply-To: <20030503152411.62341.qmail@web13504.mail.yahoo.com> References: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030503202025.0321c8e0@box.tin.it> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Manuals.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 51426 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bb685 at mwt.net Sun May 4 16:49:57 2003 From: bb685 at mwt.net (brian berglund) Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 09:49:57 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] lx-3 not recording Message-ID: <000801c3124c$6f8c8380$545abecf@computer> Kid hooked boombox to my mint LX-3. It no longer records. Are there any failsafes to protect recording circuit ie..fuses?? What would be the cost of parts..ie.. transistors if needed. Need general info..as the deck's repair may exceed value. Too bad, as it still plays reference quality..next to my tube Scott 310E tuner in the sound dept. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu Mon May 5 18:46:57 2003 From: Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu (Fred Lifton) Date: 05 May 2003 09:46:57 PDT Subject: [naktalk] list contributions Message-ID: <12531744@rosencrantz.reed.edu> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 523 bytes Desc: not available URL: From marcdenis at iquebec.com Tue May 6 12:44:13 2003 From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis) Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 06:44:13 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] lx-3 not recording In-Reply-To: <000801c3124c$6f8c8380$545abecf@computer> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20030506064031.02951bc0@pop.iquebec.com> Have you looked for «the obvious» such as reversed patch cords or record levels behind the door on the right that might have been brought down to zero after having been left at the same reference position for years? Not kidding, these things happen. Good luck. -Marc 9:49 2003/05/04 -0500, you wrote: >Kid hooked boombox to my mint LX-3. It no longer records. >Are there any failsafes to protect recording circuit ie..fuses?? > >What would be the cost of parts..ie.. transistors if needed. >Need general info..as the deck's repair may exceed value. > >Too bad, as it still plays reference quality..next to my tube >Scott 310E tuner in the sound dept. >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From timbarrett at cox.net Tue May 6 16:14:11 2003 From: timbarrett at cox.net (timbarrett at cox.net) Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 10:14:11 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] lx-3 not recording In-Reply-To: <000801c3124c$6f8c8380$545abecf@computer> Message-ID: <3EB78AF3.8058.5D28FBD@localhost> There're no fuses or protection devices that could have blown to cause this symptom. The same basic set of electronics is used during record as playback in this machine. Check for silly things first, like record level controls set wrong, patch cables mis- patched and so on. Otherwise: -when in record mode, do the level meters show signal? -does the tape move? -does it successfully erase a tape? failure to do any of these things are clues to the problem. Let us know. Tim On 4 May 2003 at 9:49, brian berglund wrote: > > Kid hooked boombox to my mint LX-3. It no longer records. > Are there any failsafes to protect recording circuit ie..fuses?? > > What would be the cost of parts..ie.. transistors if needed. > Need general info..as the deck's repair may exceed value. > > Too bad, as it still plays reference quality..next to my tube > Scott 310E tuner in the sound dept. From vk7nik at optusnet.com.au Tue May 6 16:31:54 2003 From: vk7nik at optusnet.com.au (nik kley) Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 00:31:54 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] onkyo Message-ID: <000801c313dc$3e59a0e0$5c89a4cb@nik> are onkyo decks third party nak,s? ta202?-ta2090 ? who has the truth fact or fiction? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue May 6 17:07:25 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 22:07:25 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] onkyo References: <000801c313dc$3e59a0e0$5c89a4cb@nik> Message-ID: <001301c313e1$36394c80$b1199bca@smarzuki> Our friend in Austria will know for sure .. haven't seen him for a long time though. I believe Onkyo made their own decks. The similarities might come for the use of generic Sankyo transports - but even then it would be on newer models rather than 2070/2090 era. I used to have onkyo TA230 (250 ?) and it's nothing like Nak, inside and out. On the other hand, I find it interesting that the layout of '84 Kyocera decks are similar to BX1/2 ! Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: nik kley To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 9:31 PM Subject: [naktalk] onkyo are onkyo decks third party nak,s? ta202?-ta2090 ? who has the truth fact or fiction? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Tue May 6 17:06:44 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 20:36:44 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] lx-3 not recording Message-ID: <20030506150644.81BF81149B8@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From calijente at gmx.net Tue May 6 18:24:00 2003 From: calijente at gmx.net (calijente at gmx.net) Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 11:24:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] lx-3 not recording In-Reply-To: <000801c3124c$6f8c8380$545abecf@computer> Message-ID: <003201c313eb$eac6df50$0d7cce80@Tweezzy> What probably happened is that the speaker output was hooked to the line input (most boomboxes don't have a line output); in this case, you might be right, the high level output burned something in the line input amplifier (it might be a transistor, an operational amplifier or a capacitor). While the price of any of these components is probably insignificant, the labor might be expensive. This would be the worst scenario. As the others suggested, you should consider it only if everything works well (tape moves, it is erased) but there is no signal on VU-meters or on line output. And, of course, make sure the cables, the controls (rec level, rec mute) are OK and properly set. Gabe -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of brian berglund Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 8:50 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] lx-3 not recording Kid hooked boombox to my mint LX-3. It no longer records. Are there any failsafes to protect recording circuit ie..fuses?? What would be the cost of parts..ie.. transistors if needed. Need general info..as the deck's repair may exceed value. Too bad, as it still plays reference quality..next to my tube Scott 310E tuner in the sound dept. From calijente at gmx.net Tue May 6 18:56:09 2003 From: calijente at gmx.net (calijente at gmx.net) Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 11:56:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Get With It You NakTalkers!!! (ftp.naks.com) In-Reply-To: <3EB72004.6020909@snet.net> Message-ID: <003301c313f0$682fd5b0$0d7cce80@Tweezzy> In addition to that, protecting a pdf file by encrypting it is for honest people. One who makes a living from selling manuals on e-bay wouldn't have any problem to crack the protection (see http://www.elcomsoft.com/apdfpr.html). On the other hand, if a search after "nakamicki" on Google provides on the very first page a site which offers a non-buying way to get the desired manual (whatever that way would be), only a compulsive buyer :-) would go for it on e-bay. Gabe > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ed Noyes > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 8:38 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Get With It You NakTalkers!!! > (ftp.naks.com) > > > The only problem with that is that a hard copy service manual > is pretty > much essential at the workbench... a place where I many > people might not > be keeping their computer. Likewise, you might not want to > have to fire > up the computer to read the owners manual for your deck. > > Ed > > > I'll have to check my copy of Acrobat, but, at my work we > came across > > some PDF files that would not allow printing, which might be an > > option, but, obviously a pain for those without immediate > access to a > > computer. > > > > erik g > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ------------========= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ------------========= > > From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Tue May 6 19:29:48 2003 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 19:29:48 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Get With It You NakTalkers!!! (ftp.naks.com) In-Reply-To: <003301c313f0$682fd5b0$0d7cce80@Tweezzy> References: <3EB72004.6020909@snet.net> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030506192710.02468670@box.tin.it> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue May 6 19:43:49 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 18:43:49 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] lx-3 not recording In-Reply-To: <003201c313eb$eac6df50$0d7cce80@Tweezzy> Message-ID: <002001c313f7$0d1d9c00$b67a893e@oemcomputer> In this case, I'd recommend selling the child that did it to raise the funds! Graham > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of calijente at gmx.net > Sent: 06 May 2003 17:24 > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > Subject: RE: [naktalk] lx-3 not recording > > > What probably happened is that the speaker output was hooked to the line > input (most boomboxes don't have a line output); in this case, > you might be > right, the high level output burned something in the line input amplifier > (it might be a transistor, an operational amplifier or a capacitor). While > the price of any of these components is probably insignificant, the labor > might be expensive. > > This would be the worst scenario. As the others suggested, you should > consider it only if everything works well (tape moves, it is erased) but > there is no signal on VU-meters or on line output. And, of > course, make sure > the cables, the controls (rec level, rec mute) are OK and properly set. > > Gabe > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.476 / Virus Database: 273 - Release Date: 24/04/03 From khmerideth at anderson.edu Tue May 6 20:01:01 2003 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 13:01:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] lx-3 not recording Message-ID: Gra' Are you sure you're not W.C. Fields' grandson? {;oP Kent >>> graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk 05/06/03 12:43PM >>> In this case, I'd recommend selling the child that did it to raise the funds! Graham > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of calijente at gmx.net > Sent: 06 May 2003 17:24 > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > Subject: RE: [naktalk] lx-3 not recording > > > What probably happened is that the speaker output was hooked to the line > input (most boomboxes don't have a line output); in this case, > you might be > right, the high level output burned something in the line input amplifier > (it might be a transistor, an operational amplifier or a capacitor). While > the price of any of these components is probably insignificant, the labor > might be expensive. > > This would be the worst scenario. As the others suggested, you should > consider it only if everything works well (tape moves, it is erased) but > there is no signal on VU-meters or on line output. And, of > course, make sure > the cables, the controls (rec level, rec mute) are OK and properly set. > > Gabe > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.476 / Virus Database: 273 - Release Date: 24/04/03 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From khmerideth at anderson.edu Tue May 6 20:15:20 2003 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 13:15:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Get With It You NakTalkers!!! (ftp.naks.com) Message-ID: Ezio, I hope this is a problem with our campus e-mail service; my PDF document was blank. I'd rather not have all my attempts at downloading owner/service manuals, reviews, brochures, etc. coming up empty! Hopefully, we could figure out what caused the dropping of content. Please be assured your efforts are appreciated! Kent >>> ezio_lucenti at tin.it 05/03/03 01:21PM >>> Great Jens ! This how could look like the catalog of our resources . Ezio At 17.24 03/05/03 +0200, you wrote: ok, let's start: I have following available for upload: - cassette deck 1 review (vs. akai gx95 mk II vs. revox h1 vs. sony tc-k 950 es vs. teac v-7000), stereo march 91 issue, german language - nak 600 owners manual (once I have received same expected within the next week or so..) jens --- The BlueSwapper schrieb: > Wouter, et al.... > > Its good that we have several NakTalkers that openly > support our ideas. What we would like to see now is > a growing number of subscribers joining in and > agreeing that they will do their part to contribute > to the archives. Let's hope that we soon see their > emails posted showing a commitment. > > Regards, > > Bleus > > --- > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html > > > ---original message from naktalk digest--- > > Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 11:18:37 +0200 > From: Wouter Heijke > Subject: Re: Get With It You NakTalkers!!! > (ftp.naks.com) > To: blueswapper at angelfire.com, naktalk at naks.com > > Bleus: > > You say it the way I feel, 100%!! > Thank you! > > All work on scanning Nak material so far was done by > only a few > people like myself, who were collecting > manuals/brochures over the > years, so it is nice to get your hands on 'new' > material posted > by others! Everytime this is like finding a treasure > to me too! > This is my main frustration right now and the reason > I start thinking > in the way like putting in place a credit system. > For me the drive to keep scanning has faded since > there are simply > too little people contributing, for example there > are 333 people > on this list, so if like you say all would scan only > one item. > I have in my 'archive' more manuals and brochures to > contribute > but simply think i first need to see more activity > from others before > I start putting anymore effort into this. > > So Bleus (considered by me as co-owner of this list) > I hope your > postings on this subject will start things off!!! > > Thank you! > > Wouter > > > KJ Bleus wrote: > > > I'm just slightly amazed, puzzled too....... > > > > Some of you guys just don't get it, do you? The > name of the game > here is to make contributions, help out your fellow > NakTalkers, > not only by your often excellent email info sharing, > but also by > going out and procuring something that you > personally need that > is also a real physical contribution that can be > made to the ftp.naks.com archive. You know, for > example, like maybe you personally need that 550 > users manual, T-100 brochure, or ZX7 service manual; > so you get proactive and realize that you'll need to > invest monetarily to procure a few manuals or > brochures that you can personally possess and also > contribute to ftp.naks.com. If all NakTalkers > pledged to purchased and contribute just one Nak > audio gear info item, imagine what we'd accumulate! > Powerful stuff, eh? > > > > So, you get motivated, roll up your sleeves, do > some investigating, > make an investment buying a manual or brochure (like > thru an ebay.com > auction), and then find a way to scan the original > hard copies into > .jpeg or .pdf file format for uploading to the > ftp.naks.com server. > Hey, its clear that if you can afford classic > Nakamichi audio gear > in your personal collection, you can certainly > afford to invest > in at least a cheap tabletop scanner for $50 or > $100; those cheapies > can even get the job done, and with some of those > scanner models > you even get software that helps you manipulate and > create digital > graphic files, software like Adobe PhotoShop LE, > etc. > > > > Think about this idea, if all NakTalkers pledged > to themselves > an obligation to find a way to contribute to the > ftp.naks.com archive, just one item each, what a > fantastic collection we'll all have to use together! > Get with it then, understand your obligation to > actively participate, feel good about making an > extra effort to contribute to something special!!! > > > > Regards, > > > > K.J. Bleus > > Madison, Wisc USA > > > > --- > > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html > > > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! > Sign up today -- > http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei http://premiummail.yahoo.de ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site http://www.lucenti.com My pages about digital photography -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From khmerideth at anderson.edu Tue May 6 20:31:31 2003 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 13:31:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Get With It You NakTalkers!!! (ftp.naks.com) Message-ID: Ezio, Should have warned you I'm not the most PC illiterate person in the world, but when that person dies.............. Hold the boat! Someone more PC literate than me (not saying much!), told me to save the PDF from the e-mail, onto my "C" drive and then try to view it. Voila! (Never understood what violins had to do with a revelation, but somehow there must be a valid link) That looks great! I've got the 550 owner and service manuals but would need to use someone else's scanner and would have GIF attachments. Is there someone who can convert them into PDF for inclusion into the collection? But then who gets credit for the submission to give access for future downloads? Kent >>> ezio_lucenti at tin.it 05/03/03 01:21PM >>> Great Jens ! This how could look like the catalog of our resources . Ezio At 17.24 03/05/03 +0200, you wrote: ok, let's start: I have following available for upload: - cassette deck 1 review (vs. akai gx95 mk II vs. revox h1 vs. sony tc-k 950 es vs. teac v-7000), stereo march 91 issue, german language - nak 600 owners manual (once I have received same expected within the next week or so..) jens --- The BlueSwapper schrieb: > Wouter, et al.... > > Its good that we have several NakTalkers that openly > support our ideas. What we would like to see now is > a growing number of subscribers joining in and > agreeing that they will do their part to contribute > to the archives. Let's hope that we soon see their > emails posted showing a commitment. > > Regards, > > Bleus > > --- > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html > > > ---original message from naktalk digest--- > > Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 11:18:37 +0200 > From: Wouter Heijke > Subject: Re: Get With It You NakTalkers!!! > (ftp.naks.com) > To: blueswapper at angelfire.com, naktalk at naks.com > > Bleus: > > You say it the way I feel, 100%!! > Thank you! > > All work on scanning Nak material so far was done by > only a few > people like myself, who were collecting > manuals/brochures over the > years, so it is nice to get your hands on 'new' > material posted > by others! Everytime this is like finding a treasure > to me too! > This is my main frustration right now and the reason > I start thinking > in the way like putting in place a credit system. > For me the drive to keep scanning has faded since > there are simply > too little people contributing, for example there > are 333 people > on this list, so if like you say all would scan only > one item. > I have in my 'archive' more manuals and brochures to > contribute > but simply think i first need to see more activity > from others before > I start putting anymore effort into this. > > So Bleus (considered by me as co-owner of this list) > I hope your > postings on this subject will start things off!!! > > Thank you! > > Wouter > > > KJ Bleus wrote: > > > I'm just slightly amazed, puzzled too....... > > > > Some of you guys just don't get it, do you? The > name of the game > here is to make contributions, help out your fellow > NakTalkers, > not only by your often excellent email info sharing, > but also by > going out and procuring something that you > personally need that > is also a real physical contribution that can be > made to the ftp.naks.com archive. You know, for > example, like maybe you personally need that 550 > users manual, T-100 brochure, or ZX7 service manual; > so you get proactive and realize that you'll need to > invest monetarily to procure a few manuals or > brochures that you can personally possess and also > contribute to ftp.naks.com. If all NakTalkers > pledged to purchased and contribute just one Nak > audio gear info item, imagine what we'd accumulate! > Powerful stuff, eh? > > > > So, you get motivated, roll up your sleeves, do > some investigating, > make an investment buying a manual or brochure (like > thru an ebay.com > auction), and then find a way to scan the original > hard copies into > .jpeg or .pdf file format for uploading to the > ftp.naks.com server. > Hey, its clear that if you can afford classic > Nakamichi audio gear > in your personal collection, you can certainly > afford to invest > in at least a cheap tabletop scanner for $50 or > $100; those cheapies > can even get the job done, and with some of those > scanner models > you even get software that helps you manipulate and > create digital > graphic files, software like Adobe PhotoShop LE, > etc. > > > > Think about this idea, if all NakTalkers pledged > to themselves > an obligation to find a way to contribute to the > ftp.naks.com archive, just one item each, what a > fantastic collection we'll all have to use together! > Get with it then, understand your obligation to > actively participate, feel good about making an > extra effort to contribute to something special!!! > > > > Regards, > > > > K.J. Bleus > > Madison, Wisc USA > > > > --- > > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html > > > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! > Sign up today -- > http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei http://premiummail.yahoo.de ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site http://www.lucenti.com My pages about digital photography -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mithao at hotmail.com Tue May 6 20:45:05 2003 From: mithao at hotmail.com (Minh Pham) Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 18:45:05 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Get With It You NakTalkers!!! (ftp.naks.com) Message-ID: Hi Wouter; Why don't you post all manuals you have on your Web site? This will help Nakamichi people and nobody wants to steal them. Mithao >From: "Kent Merideth" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: , >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Get With It You NakTalkers!!! (ftp.naks.com) >Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 13:15:20 -0500 > >Ezio, > >I hope this is a problem with our campus e-mail service; my PDF >document was blank. I'd rather not have all my attempts at downloading >owner/service manuals, reviews, brochures, etc. coming up empty! >Hopefully, we could figure out what caused the dropping of content. >Please be assured your efforts are appreciated! > >Kent > > > >>> ezio_lucenti at tin.it 05/03/03 01:21PM >>> >Great Jens ! > >This how could look like the catalog of our resources . > >Ezio > >At 17.24 03/05/03 +0200, you wrote: > >ok, let's start: > >I have following available for upload: > >- cassette deck 1 review (vs. akai gx95 mk II vs. >revox h1 vs. sony tc-k 950 es vs. teac v-7000), stereo >march 91 issue, german language > >- nak 600 owners manual (once I have received same >expected within the next week or so..) > >jens > > > --- The BlueSwapper >schrieb: > Wouter, et al.... > > > > Its good that we have several NakTalkers that openly > > support our ideas. What we would like to see now is > > a growing number of subscribers joining in and > > agreeing that they will do their part to contribute > > to the archives. Let's hope that we soon see their > > emails posted showing a commitment. > > > > Regards, > > > > Bleus > > > > --- > > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html > > >http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html > > > > > > ---original message from naktalk digest--- > > > > Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 11:18:37 +0200 > > From: Wouter Heijke > > Subject: Re: Get With It You NakTalkers!!! > > (ftp.naks.com) > > To: blueswapper at angelfire.com, naktalk at naks.com > > > > Bleus: > > > > You say it the way I feel, 100%!! > > Thank you! > > > > All work on scanning Nak material so far was done by > > only a few > > people like myself, who were collecting > > manuals/brochures over the > > years, so it is nice to get your hands on 'new' > > material posted > > by others! Everytime this is like finding a treasure > > to me too! > > This is my main frustration right now and the reason > > I start thinking > > in the way like putting in place a credit system. > > For me the drive to keep scanning has faded since > > there are simply > > too little people contributing, for example there > > are 333 people > > on this list, so if like you say all would scan only > > one item. > > I have in my 'archive' more manuals and brochures to > > contribute > > but simply think i first need to see more activity > > from others before > > I start putting anymore effort into this. > > > > So Bleus (considered by me as co-owner of this list) > > I hope your > > postings on this subject will start things off!!! > > > > Thank you! > > > > Wouter > > > > > > KJ Bleus wrote: > > > > > I'm just slightly amazed, puzzled too....... > > > > > > Some of you guys just don't get it, do you? The > > name of the game > > here is to make contributions, help out your fellow > > NakTalkers, > > not only by your often excellent email info sharing, > > but also by > > going out and procuring something that you > > personally need that > > is also a real physical contribution that can be > > made to the ftp.naks.com archive. You know, for > > example, like maybe you personally need that 550 > > users manual, T-100 brochure, or ZX7 service manual; > > so you get proactive and realize that you'll need to > > invest monetarily to procure a few manuals or > > brochures that you can personally possess and also > > contribute to ftp.naks.com. If all NakTalkers > > pledged to purchased and contribute just one Nak > > audio gear info item, imagine what we'd accumulate! > > Powerful stuff, eh? > > > > > > So, you get motivated, roll up your sleeves, do > > some investigating, > > make an investment buying a manual or brochure (like > > thru an ebay.com > > auction), and then find a way to scan the original > > hard copies into > > .jpeg or .pdf file format for uploading to the > > ftp.naks.com server. > > Hey, its clear that if you can afford classic > > Nakamichi audio gear > > in your personal collection, you can certainly > > afford to invest > > in at least a cheap tabletop scanner for $50 or > > $100; those cheapies > > can even get the job done, and with some of those > > scanner models > > you even get software that helps you manipulate and > > create digital > > graphic files, software like Adobe PhotoShop LE, > > etc. > > > > > > Think about this idea, if all NakTalkers pledged > > to themselves > > an obligation to find a way to contribute to the > > ftp.naks.com archive, just one item each, what a > > fantastic collection we'll all have to use together! > > Get with it then, understand your obligation to > > actively participate, feel good about making an > > extra effort to contribute to something special!!! > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > K.J. Bleus > > > Madison, Wisc USA > > > > > > --- > > > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > > > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html > > > > > >http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > >____________________________________________________________ > > Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! > > Sign up today -- > > >http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > > mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > >===== >'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder >Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. >Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli >und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) > >__________________________________________________________________ > >Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de >Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei http://premiummail.yahoo.de >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > >Sincerely > >Ezio Lucenti > >Ezio's e-photography site http://www.lucenti.com > >My pages about digital photography >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed May 7 00:37:29 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 23:37:29 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] lx-3 not recording In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <00b401c31420$13c6a3c0$b67a893e@oemcomputer> Heh! Heh! I wish! -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kent Merideth Sent: 06 May 2003 19:01 To: naktalk at naks.com; graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Subject: RE: [naktalk] lx-3 not recording Gra' Are you sure you're not W.C. Fields' grandson? {;oP Kent --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.476 / Virus Database: 273 - Release Date: 24/04/03 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed May 7 00:37:31 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 23:37:31 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Them thar interconnects ... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <00b901c31420$14b1a000$b67a893e@oemcomputer> Guys Thought you'd like to know, I made up a pair of the interconnects from the centre core of the coal cable, as described to you the other day. After burning in for a few hours .... to my ear, they sound fantastic! Best cables I have ever made ... and best cables I have heard thus far. I'm well pleased, such that I'm going to invest in 100m of coax and 48 or so RCA plugs to make enough sets for the entire system plus, some for spare! Can't wait to make up four for my ZX9 ... Now all I need to do is find out where I can buy some sensible RCA plugs ... at a good price. Recommendations gladly received off List. (I recall Ron once mentioning that gold plated plugs are no better than any other plug and all that really mattered was that they should fit well ... correct me if I am misquoting you, Ron.) Graham --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.476 / Virus Database: 273 - Release Date: 24/04/03 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed May 7 03:10:17 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 21:10:17 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Them thar interconnects ... References: <00b901c31420$14b1a000$b67a893e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3EB85CF9.11085F8C@rcn.com> > Graham Nelson wrote: > > Guys > > Thought you'd like to know, I made up a pair of the interconnects from the > centre core of the coal cable, as described to you the other day. After > burning in for a few hours .... to my ear, they sound fantastic! Best > cables I have ever made ... and best cables I have heard thus far. I'm well > pleased, such that I'm going to invest in 100m of coax and 48 or so RCA > plugs to make enough sets for the entire system plus, some for spare! Can't > wait to make up four for my ZX9 ... > > Now all I need to do is find out where I can buy some sensible RCA plugs ... > at a good price. Recommendations gladly received off List. (I recall Ron > once mentioning that gold plated plugs are no better than any other plug and > all that really mattered was that they should fit well ... correct me if I > am misquoting you, Ron.) > > Graham Graham, what I said was that gold plating does not make any *sonic* difference. However, because gold does not oxidize, gold plated connectors are said to retain good performance indefinitely. (I've read opinions to the contrary, as well.) I am by no means a metallurgy expert but the argument for gold did make sense to me (besides, gold also looks better...), so all RCA connectors in my system are gold plated. BTW, could you elaborate on the construction of your cables? What Coax did you use? What exactly did you do to it? -- Ron From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed May 7 04:15:34 2003 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 20:15:34 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] lx-3 not recording References: <000801c3124c$6f8c8380$545abecf@computer> Message-ID: <03db01c3143e$8c341fe0$933442cf@steve> I seriously doubt that even a speaker output would damage any input components on the lx3, but it's remotely possible. More likely, if it's not a cable swapping issue, that it's either a case of "orange cap disease", or it's simply time to replace the mode cam drive belt. On the lx3, record mode is the most difficult mech cycle to complete, as the cam is also pulling the rec/play function slide switch on the main circuit board, rather then just pulling the heads & rollers up. If you pop the top cover, & hit play, you'll see a big white plastic gear rotate toward the right side of the mech, as the heads come up. If you then put a blank tape in & hit record, you can see if the gear stalls before it gets to the same position as play mode, and use a finger to help it get there if it does fail. Then, if recording works, you'll know it's just a small belt that needs replacing, and which is easily bought generically(4.7-5.0" circumfurence by 1mm-3mm thick) & which is easy to replace yourself. Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer Talking Dog Transducer Company http://stephensank.com 5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] 505-332-0336 Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer Payments preferred through Paypal.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "brian berglund" To: Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 8:49 AM Subject: [naktalk] lx-3 not recording Kid hooked boombox to my mint LX-3. It no longer records. Are there any failsafes to protect recording circuit ie..fuses?? What would be the cost of parts..ie.. transistors if needed. Need general info..as the deck's repair may exceed value. Too bad, as it still plays reference quality..next to my tube Scott 310E tuner in the sound dept. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed May 7 04:22:21 2003 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 20:22:21 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] onkyo References: <000801c313dc$3e59a0e0$5c89a4cb@nik> Message-ID: <03f101c3143f$7e7221d0$933442cf@steve> The only connection is that Onkyo(and Harman Kardon & Kyocera) bought almost the same mechanisms from Sankyo as Nak was buying for the BX series & later models. Nak had not sold any tape hardware to anybody else, to speak of, since the early '70's, when they were contracted to build the Harman Kardon CAD-4 & 5 decks & Advent 200, before Nak made decks of their own design under their own name. Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer Talking Dog Transducer Company http://stephensank.com 5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] 505-332-0336 Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer Payments preferred through Paypal.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "nik kley" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 8:31 AM Subject: [naktalk] onkyo are onkyo decks third party nak,s? ta202?-ta2090 ? who has the truth fact or fiction? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Wed May 7 08:52:26 2003 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 08:52:26 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Kent ! ... was ...Get With It You NakTalkers!!! (ftp.naks.com) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030507085029.0245aec0@box.tin.it> Kent, sorry for the delay ... time running ... but I am ''computing'' / studying .... how to make it possible .... I will come back to you and the other mates as soon as cleared how to make it ... in the easiest and cheapest way possible. Ciao Ezio At 13.31 06/05/03 -0500, you wrote: >Ezio, > >Should have warned you I'm not the most PC illiterate person in the world, >but when that person dies.............. Hold the boat! Someone more PC >literate than me (not saying much!), told me to save the PDF from the >e-mail, onto my "C" drive and then try to view it. Voila! (Never >understood what violins had to do with a revelation, but somehow there >must be a valid link) That looks great! I've got the 550 owner and >service manuals but would need to use someone else's scanner and would >have GIF attachments. Is there someone who can convert them into PDF for >inclusion into the collection? But then who gets credit for the >submission to give access for future downloads? > >Kent > > > >>> ezio_lucenti at tin.it 05/03/03 01:21PM >>> >Great Jens ! > >This how could look like the catalog of our resources . > >Ezio > >At 17.24 03/05/03 +0200, you wrote: >>ok, let's start: >> >>I have following available for upload: >> >>- cassette deck 1 review (vs. akai gx95 mk II vs. >>revox h1 vs. sony tc-k 950 es vs. teac v-7000), stereo >>march 91 issue, german language >> >>- nak 600 owners manual (once I have received same >>expected within the next week or so..) >> >>jens >> >> >> --- The BlueSwapper >>schrieb: > Wouter, et al.... >> > >> > Its good that we have several NakTalkers that openly >> > support our ideas. What we would like to see now is >> > a growing number of subscribers joining in and >> > agreeing that they will do their part to contribute >> > to the archives. Let's hope that we soon see their >> > emails posted showing a commitment. >> > >> > Regards, >> > >> > Bleus >> > >> > --- >> > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? >> > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html >> > >>http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html >> > >> > >> > ---original message from naktalk digest--- >> > >> > Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 11:18:37 +0200 >> > From: Wouter Heijke >> > Subject: Re: Get With It You NakTalkers!!! >> > (ftp.naks.com) >> > To: blueswapper at angelfire.com, naktalk at naks.com >> > >> > Bleus: >> > >> > You say it the way I feel, 100%!! >> > Thank you! >> > >> > All work on scanning Nak material so far was done by >> > only a few >> > people like myself, who were collecting >> > manuals/brochures over the >> > years, so it is nice to get your hands on 'new' >> > material posted >> > by others! Everytime this is like finding a treasure >> > to me too! >> > This is my main frustration right now and the reason >> > I start thinking >> > in the way like putting in place a credit system. >> > For me the drive to keep scanning has faded since >> > there are simply >> > too little people contributing, for example there >> > are 333 people >> > on this list, so if like you say all would scan only >> > one item. >> > I have in my 'archive' more manuals and brochures to >> > contribute >> > but simply think i first need to see more activity >> > from others before >> > I start putting anymore effort into this. >> > >> > So Bleus (considered by me as co-owner of this list) >> > I hope your >> > postings on this subject will start things off!!! >> > >> > Thank you! >> > >> > Wouter >> > >> > >> > KJ Bleus wrote: >> > >> > > I'm just slightly amazed, puzzled too....... >> > > >> > > Some of you guys just don't get it, do you? The >> > name of the game >> > here is to make contributions, help out your fellow >> > NakTalkers, >> > not only by your often excellent email info sharing, >> > but also by >> > going out and procuring something that you >> > personally need that >> > is also a real physical contribution that can be >> > made to the ftp.naks.com archive. You know, for >> > example, like maybe you personally need that 550 >> > users manual, T-100 brochure, or ZX7 service manual; >> > so you get proactive and realize that you'll need to >> > invest monetarily to procure a few manuals or >> > brochures that you can personally possess and also >> > contribute to ftp.naks.com. If all NakTalkers >> > pledged to purchased and contribute just one Nak >> > audio gear info item, imagine what we'd accumulate! >> > Powerful stuff, eh? >> > > >> > > So, you get motivated, roll up your sleeves, do >> > some investigating, >> > make an investment buying a manual or brochure (like >> > thru an ebay.com >> > auction), and then find a way to scan the original >> > hard copies into >> > .jpeg or .pdf file format for uploading to the >> > ftp.naks.com server. >> > Hey, its clear that if you can afford classic >> > Nakamichi audio gear >> > in your personal collection, you can certainly >> > afford to invest >> > in at least a cheap tabletop scanner for $50 or >> > $100; those cheapies >> > can even get the job done, and with some of those >> > scanner models >> > you even get software that helps you manipulate and >> > create digital >> > graphic files, software like Adobe PhotoShop LE, >> > etc. >> > > >> > > Think about this idea, if all NakTalkers pledged >> > to themselves >> > an obligation to find a way to contribute to the >> > ftp.naks.com archive, just one item each, what a >> > fantastic collection we'll all have to use together! >> > Get with it then, understand your obligation to >> > actively participate, feel good about making an >> > extra effort to contribute to something special!!! >> > > >> > > Regards, >> > > >> > > K.J. Bleus >> > > Madison, Wisc USA >> > > >> > > --- >> > > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? >> > > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html >> > > >> > >>http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site http://www.lucenti.com My pages about digital photography From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed May 7 10:05:33 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 09:05:33 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] onkyo In-Reply-To: <03f101c3143f$7e7221d0$933442cf@steve> Message-ID: <001501c3146f$6f6f5b00$b57a893e@oemcomputer> Is there a Nak equivalent of the CAD-4 and 5 decks or were they bespoke designs? Graham > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Stephen Sank > Sent: 07 May 2003 03:22 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] onkyo > > > The only connection is that Onkyo(and Harman Kardon & Kyocera) > bought almost > the same mechanisms from Sankyo as Nak was buying for the BX > series & later > models. Nak had not sold any tape hardware to anybody else, to speak of, > since the early '70's, when they were contracted to build the > Harman Kardon > CAD-4 & 5 decks & Advent 200, before Nak made decks of their own design > under their own name. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer > Talking Dog Transducer Company > http://stephensank.com > 5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] > 505-332-0336 > Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer > Payments preferred through Paypal.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "nik kley" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 8:31 AM > Subject: [naktalk] onkyo > > > are onkyo decks third party nak,s? ta202?-ta2090 ? who has the truth fact > or fiction? > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > ---------- > ---- > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------== > ======= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------== > ======= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.476 / Virus Database: 273 - Release Date: 24/04/03 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. 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Regards, Neale -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stanley Waterman Sent: 07 May 2003 15:00 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Question Hello, I presently am looking to buy a Nakamichi Deck on E Bay. I am considering a CR7A or a ZX9. Are they equivalent machines or is one more preferable? Is it worth the extra money to buy 700ZXL? Please let me know your thoughts, Thank You, Stanley -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed May 7 17:11:41 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 11:11:41 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Question References: <005b01c314a0$ee7258e0$41c4ad8e@ab.hsia.telus.net> Message-ID: <3EB9222D.D98815D@rcn.com> > Stanley Waterman wrote: > > Hello, > > I presently am looking to buy a Nakamichi Deck on E Bay. > > I am considering a CR7A or a ZX9. > > Are they equivalent machines or is one more preferable? > > Is it worth the extra money to buy 700ZXL? > > Please let me know your thoughts, > > Thank You, > > Stanley Looking at the Naks.com Prices page, I see the 700ZXL goes for $458, the CR-7 goes for $434-$811 (median price $622) and the ZX-9 goes for $247-$841 (median price $544). Seems to me that price wise, all three models cost in the same ball park and the decision is not monetary -- at least, not in any significant way. Sonically, all three decks are excellent. Based on auditions at friends' houses, I preferred the CR-7 to the ZX-9, though the comparison was far from 'scientific' -- I heard the two units in different rooms, with different systems and playing different recordings. IOW, it was technically meaningless; yet, I *subjectively* felt, in a nebulous fashion, that the CR-7 sound was somehow more transparent, cleaner and more satisfying. This was bolstered by opinions of people (some of which I don't even know) that stated more or less the same thing (I suspect there are others with the exact opposite opinion). I have never heard the 700ZXL, but there seems to be a general agreement that it is sonically superb. Reliability is very important to me. On that score, I have the gut feel (Stephen will be able to provide a more reality based opinion) that the Sankyo transport (as in the CR-7) is not as robust as the 'true' Nakamichi designs. In 5 years of ownership, I have had more problems (all of them, transport related) with the CR-7 than in the preceding 15 years with the 582 and the preceding 7 years with the 700 (even this is not a fair statement, as I bought the first two units brand new, while the CR-7 was already 13 year old when I bought it). IME, the CR-7 needs a 'tune up' every one to two years. I don't know about the ZX-9 and the 700ZXL. If it has the rubber, rather than the gear, idler, that's just another item that requires attention every year or two. A lot also depends on your personal requirements for adjustability -- how much and whether auto or manual. As you surmise, I chose a CR-7 from among several models, that included the Dragon. All told, I am very happy with my choice. Good luck, -- Ron From stan.targowski at attbi.com Wed May 7 17:16:42 2003 From: stan.targowski at attbi.com (Stan Targowski) Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 10:16:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Question In-Reply-To: <005b01c314a0$ee7258e0$41c4ad8e@ab.hsia.telus.net> Message-ID: 700ZXL may be the most classic and perhaps the 'best' of the three, even though some might argue, however, considering its current age and source (e-bay), this may be the most expensive unit to maintain. Parts may be difficult to get, and this may also be the unit asking for the most attention. CR7A and ZX9 - this is even tougher question. CR7A is a newer model, with a lot of built in automation. ZX-9 has a more puristic approach where you calibrate all of the functions manually. Both of these are great machines. I think here, it may be a matter of personal choice. Which one better fits to your system, the looks, the convenience, etc. One key difference between the two, is that CR7 allows for adjustment of playback azimuth, which can be very helpful if you have a collection of tapes recorded on other units. Personally, at this time, I would scratch the 700ZXL, and struggle between the other two - considering similar condition, I would pick the ZX-9. Stan P.S. - it also depends whether this will be your only Nakamaichi or one of many. If you already have say a CR3/4 you may want to go with ZX-9 (and if you have a ZX-7 I would go with CR-7). -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stanley Waterman Sent: Wed, May 07, 2003 9:00 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Question Hello, I presently am looking to buy a Nakamichi Deck on E Bay. I am considering a CR7A or a ZX9. Are they equivalent machines or is one more preferable? Is it worth the extra money to buy 700ZXL? Please let me know your thoughts, Thank You, Stanley -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From calijente at gmx.net Wed May 7 17:03:08 2003 From: calijente at gmx.net (calijente at gmx.net) Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 10:03:08 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Kent ! ... was ...Get With It You NakTalkers!!! (ftp.naks.com) In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20030507085029.0245aec0@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <001c01c314a9$cadac7b0$0d7cce80@Tweezzy> Kent - I volunteer to convert your image files into pdf documents. I'd rather use tiffs than gif files. You get the credit, I get the glory (and a copy of the converted manual :-)) and everybody is happy. Ezio - A cheap (actually free) way to make pdf files is described at http://www.webxd.com/zipguy/freepdf.htm . It's not as good and easy to install as distiller, but it's completely free and really works. Gabe > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ezio > Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 12:52 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Kent ! ... was ...Get With It You > NakTalkers!!! (ftp.naks.com) > > > Kent, sorry for the delay ... time running ... but I am > ''computing'' / > studying .... how to make it possible .... > > I will come back to you and the other mates as soon as > cleared how to make > it ... in the easiest and cheapest way possible. > > Ciao > > Ezio > > At 13.31 06/05/03 -0500, you wrote: > >Ezio, > > > >Should have warned you I'm not the most PC illiterate person > in the world, > >but when that person dies.............. Hold the boat! > Someone more PC > >literate than me (not saying much!), told me to save the PDF from the > >e-mail, onto my "C" drive and then try to view it. Voila! (Never > >understood what violins had to do with a revelation, but > somehow there > >must be a valid link) That looks great! I've got the 550 owner and > >service manuals but would need to use someone else's scanner > and would > >have GIF attachments. Is there someone who can convert them > into PDF for > >inclusion into the collection? But then who gets credit for the > >submission to give access for future downloads? > > > >Kent > > > > > > >>> ezio_lucenti at tin.it 05/03/03 01:21PM >>> > >Great Jens ! > > > >This how could look like the catalog of our resources . > > > >Ezio > > > >At 17.24 03/05/03 +0200, you wrote: > >>ok, let's start: > >> > >>I have following available for upload: > >> > >>- cassette deck 1 review (vs. akai gx95 mk II vs. > >>revox h1 vs. sony tc-k 950 es vs. teac v-7000), stereo > >>march 91 issue, german language > >> > >>- nak 600 owners manual (once I have received same > >>expected within the next week or so..) > >> > >>jens > >> > >> > >> --- The BlueSwapper > >>schrieb: > Wouter, et al.... > >> > > >> > Its good that we have several NakTalkers that openly support our > >> > ideas. What we would like to see now is a growing number of > >> > subscribers joining in and agreeing that they will do > their part to > >> > contribute to the archives. Let's hope that we soon see their > >> > emails posted showing a commitment. > >> > > >> > Regards, > >> > > >> > Bleus > >> > > >> > --- > >> > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > >> > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html > >> > > >>http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html > >> > > >> > > >> > ---original message from naktalk digest--- > >> > > >> > Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 11:18:37 +0200 > >> > From: Wouter Heijke > >> > Subject: Re: Get With It You NakTalkers!!! > >> > (ftp.naks.com) > >> > To: blueswapper at angelfire.com, naktalk at naks.com > >> > > >> > Bleus: > >> > > >> > You say it the way I feel, 100%!! > >> > Thank you! > >> > > >> > All work on scanning Nak material so far was done by > >> > only a few > >> > people like myself, who were collecting > >> > manuals/brochures over the > >> > years, so it is nice to get your hands on 'new' > >> > material posted > >> > by others! Everytime this is like finding a treasure > >> > to me too! > >> > This is my main frustration right now and the reason > >> > I start thinking > >> > in the way like putting in place a credit system. > >> > For me the drive to keep scanning has faded since > >> > there are simply > >> > too little people contributing, for example there > >> > are 333 people > >> > on this list, so if like you say all would scan only > >> > one item. > >> > I have in my 'archive' more manuals and brochures to contribute > >> > but simply think i first need to see more activity > >> > from others before > >> > I start putting anymore effort into this. > >> > > >> > So Bleus (considered by me as co-owner of this list) > >> > I hope your > >> > postings on this subject will start things off!!! > >> > > >> > Thank you! > >> > > >> > Wouter > >> > > >> > > >> > KJ Bleus wrote: > >> > > >> > > I'm just slightly amazed, puzzled too....... > >> > > > >> > > Some of you guys just don't get it, do you? The > >> > name of the game > >> > here is to make contributions, help out your fellow NakTalkers, > >> > not only by your often excellent email info sharing, > >> > but also by > >> > going out and procuring something that you > >> > personally need that > >> > is also a real physical contribution that can be > >> > made to the ftp.naks.com archive. You know, for > >> > example, like maybe you personally need that 550 > >> > users manual, T-100 brochure, or ZX7 service manual; > >> > so you get proactive and realize that you'll need to > >> > invest monetarily to procure a few manuals or > >> > brochures that you can personally possess and also > >> > contribute to ftp.naks.com. If all NakTalkers > >> > pledged to purchased and contribute just one Nak > >> > audio gear info item, imagine what we'd accumulate! > >> > Powerful stuff, eh? > >> > > > >> > > So, you get motivated, roll up your sleeves, do > >> > some investigating, > >> > make an investment buying a manual or brochure (like > >> > thru an ebay.com > >> > auction), and then find a way to scan the original > >> > hard copies into > >> > .jpeg or .pdf file format for uploading to the > ftp.naks.com server. > >> > Hey, its clear that if you can afford classic > >> > Nakamichi audio gear > >> > in your personal collection, you can certainly > >> > afford to invest > >> > in at least a cheap tabletop scanner for $50 or > >> > $100; those cheapies > >> > can even get the job done, and with some of those > >> > scanner models > >> > you even get software that helps you manipulate and > >> > create digital > >> > graphic files, software like Adobe PhotoShop LE, > >> > etc. > >> > > > >> > > Think about this idea, if all NakTalkers pledged > >> > to themselves > >> > an obligation to find a way to contribute to the ftp.naks.com > >> > archive, just one item each, what a fantastic collection > we'll all > >> > have to use together! Get with it then, understand your > obligation > >> > to actively participate, feel good about making an > >> > extra effort to contribute to something special!!! > >> > > > >> > > Regards, > >> > > > >> > > K.J. Bleus > >> > > Madison, Wisc USA > >> > > > >> > > --- > >> > > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > >> > > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html > >> > > > >> > > >>http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html > > > Sincerely > > Ezio Lucenti > > Ezio's e-photography site http://www.lucenti.com > > My pages about digital photography > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ------------========= > > From roleo at telus.net Wed May 7 18:10:30 2003 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 09:10:30 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Making .pdf files References: <001c01c314a9$cadac7b0$0d7cce80@Tweezzy> Message-ID: <000c01c314b3$2e855f60$77d8b440@desktop> Another way to make .pdf files is to dowload Acrobat Full for free! Just checked on Kazaa and there are 11 files currently available varying in sizes from 100 MB to 118 MB. So be prepared for the download time if you aren't on broadband. I tried one of them and it works great. www.kazaalite.com ====================================== "A cheap (actually free) way to make pdf files is described at http://www.webxd.com/zipguy/freepdf.htm . It's not as good and easy to install as distiller, but it's completely free and really works." From marcdenis at iquebec.com Wed May 7 18:10:53 2003 From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis) Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 12:10:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Question In-Reply-To: <005b01c314a0$ee7258e0$41c4ad8e@ab.hsia.telus.net> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20030507114327.037c3900@pop.iquebec.com> It depends what you think your needs are. All three can sound great with easy 20-20K response and virtually unmeasurable wow & flutter. -700ZXL allows you to record off microphones without having to use outboard preamps and looks most impressive (great conversation piece!); main capstan is belt driven. -ZX-9 requires manual calibration; main capstan has direct drive (ZX-7 is belt driven). -CR-7A has adjustable playback azimuth (especially usefull if you own many tapes recorded on other decks), peak hold meters and wireless remote control; main capstan has direct drive. At 07:59 2003/05/07 -0600, you wrote: >Hello, > >I presently am looking to buy a Nakamichi Deck on E Bay. > > I am considering a CR7A or a ZX9. > >Are they equivalent machines or is one more preferable? > >Is it worth the extra money to buy 700ZXL? > >Please let me know your thoughts, > >Thank You, > >Stanley >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From HerbChong at compuserve.com Wed May 7 18:29:17 2003 From: HerbChong at compuserve.com (Herb Chong) Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 12:29:17 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Making .pdf files Message-ID: <200305071229_MC3-1-3789-D3B@compuserve.com> Message text written by Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Another way to make .pdf files is to dowload Acrobat Full for free! Just checked on Kazaa and there are 11 files currently available varying in sizes from 100 MB to 118 MB. So be prepared for the download time if you aren't on broadband. I tried one of them and it works great. www.kazaalite.com< that's called piracy. Herb... From timbarrett at cox.net Wed May 7 19:23:50 2003 From: timbarrett at cox.net (timbarrett at cox.net) Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 13:23:50 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Making .pdf files In-Reply-To: <200305071229_MC3-1-3789-D3B@compuserve.com> Message-ID: <3EB908E6.26631.BA68CA7@localhost> Umm.... I don't think we should suggest that we support piracy. I will volunteer to do any legal PDF conversions we need to do. I believe others have also offered the same. And I've got a nice high speed connection, so download/upload times for me are not a concern. On 7 May 2003 at 12:29, Herb Chong wrote: Date sent: Wed, 7 May 2003 12:29:17 -0400 From: Herb Chong Subject: [naktalk] Making .pdf files To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Send reply to: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message text written by Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Another way to make .pdf files is to dowload Acrobat Full for free! > >Just > checked on Kazaa and > there are 11 files currently available varying in sizes from 100 MB to > 118 MB. So be prepared for the download time if you aren't on > broadband. I tried one of them and it works great. > > www.kazaalite.com< > > that's called piracy. > > Herb... > ========-------------------------------------------------------------- > ----========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========-------------------------------------------------------------- > ----========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed May 7 19:53:00 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 00:53:00 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Question References: Message-ID: <004f01c314c1$9838aa80$07299bca@smarzuki> My opinion is 90% similar to Stan's. Ime ZXL sounds best of all 3 on both playback and record (also has a bit tighter rec/pb tolerance of +/- 1.5dB ... if it is at factory spec of course) but a b**ch to maintain, especially on record side (that a.b.l.e feature) now that it's about 20 yrs old. ZX9 and CR7 are both excellent record decks, but I like the manual calibration of ZX9 better. Up to now I haven't heard (on this list at least) of a failure on CR7's auto calibration setup, but *if* the default is a bit off (like mine) then you're stuck with a wrong setup all the time until the deck is serviced. It is as complicated as ZXL's a.b.l.e but much more robust. ZX9 is quite easy to service or maintain with its all manual electronics, in addition to its tried and true old naks transport. On playback side although I personally like ZX9's more solid mid / bass rather than CR7's crystal clear high, CR7's playback azimuth trim is a convenient feature that's hard to beat. So if you don't record tapes that often then you might want a CR7, otherwise I'd pick ZX9 for recording. I hope you're not that confused by now. =) Similar disclaimers apply (if you already have a CR4 or ZX7 etc). Good luck ! Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Stan Targowski To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 10:16 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Question 700ZXL may be the most classic and perhaps the 'best' of the three, even though some might argue, however, considering its current age and source (e-bay), this may be the most expensive unit to maintain. Parts may be difficult to get, and this may also be the unit asking for the most attention. CR7A and ZX9 - this is even tougher question. CR7A is a newer model, with a lot of built in automation. ZX-9 has a more puristic approach where you calibrate all of the functions manually. Both of these are great machines. I think here, it may be a matter of personal choice. Which one better fits to your system, the looks, the convenience, etc. One key difference between the two, is that CR7 allows for adjustment of playback azimuth, which can be very helpful if you have a collection of tapes recorded on other units. Personally, at this time, I would scratch the 700ZXL, and struggle between the other two - considering similar condition, I would pick the ZX-9. Stan P.S. - it also depends whether this will be your only Nakamaichi or one of many. If you already have say a CR3/4 you may want to go with ZX-9 (and if you have a ZX-7 I would go with CR-7). -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stanley Waterman Sent: Wed, May 07, 2003 9:00 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Question Hello, I presently am looking to buy a Nakamichi Deck on E Bay. I am considering a CR7A or a ZX9. Are they equivalent machines or is one more preferable? Is it worth the extra money to buy 700ZXL? Please let me know your thoughts, Thank You, Stanley ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed May 7 19:49:56 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 18:49:56 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Them thar interconnects ... In-Reply-To: <3EB85CF9.11085F8C@rcn.com> Message-ID: <001401c314c1$120580a0$9ed0883e@oemcomputer> Ron/All I used solid core, 1/1·0mm copper conductor with cellular polythene insulation, braided screen and sheathed overall in brown and white PVC coax cable. I strip out the core conductor, leaving it in the polythene insulation. Cut three lengths of equal lengths, of the appropriate length. Tape one end of the three of them together. Plat the remaining three. At the end of the plate, tape again to hold the plat in place. The start soldering the plugs on! As with some of those expensive (and not so expensive) three wire cables, I soldered two to Ground at one end and only one to Ground at the other end. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Ron > Sent: 07 May 2003 02:10 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Them thar interconnects ... > > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > Guys > > > > Thought you'd like to know, I made up a pair of the > interconnects from the > > centre core of the coal cable, as described to you the other day. After > > burning in for a few hours .... to my ear, they sound fantastic! Best > > cables I have ever made ... and best cables I have heard thus > far. I'm well > > pleased, such that I'm going to invest in 100m of coax and 48 or so RCA > > plugs to make enough sets for the entire system plus, some for > spare! Can't > > wait to make up four for my ZX9 ... > > > > Now all I need to do is find out where I can buy some sensible > RCA plugs ... > > at a good price. Recommendations gladly received off List. (I > recall Ron > > once mentioning that gold plated plugs are no better than any > other plug and > > all that really mattered was that they should fit well ... > correct me if I > > am misquoting you, Ron.) > > > > Graham > > Graham, what I said was that gold plating does not make any > *sonic* difference. However, because gold does not oxidize, > gold plated connectors are said to retain good performance > indefinitely. (I've read opinions to the contrary, as well.) > I am by no means a metallurgy expert but the argument for gold > did make sense to me (besides, gold also looks better...), so > all RCA connectors in my system are gold plated. > > BTW, could you elaborate on the construction of your cables? > What Coax did you use? What exactly did you do to it? > > -- Ron > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.476 / Virus Database: 273 - Release Date: 24/04/03 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.476 / Virus Database: 273 - Release Date: 24/04/03 From roleo at telus.net Wed May 7 20:44:59 2003 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 11:44:59 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Making .pdf files References: <200305071229_MC3-1-3789-D3B@compuserve.com> Message-ID: <001b01c314c8$c37d4f50$77d8b440@desktop> I believe Piracy is when you copy something to sell it. Have you ever made a taped copy of music for yourself of something you didn't own, even if off the radio? --Roland ----- Original Message ----- From: "Herb Chong" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 9:29 AM Subject: [naktalk] Making .pdf files > Message text written by Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Another way to make .pdf files is to dowload Acrobat Full for free! Just > checked on Kazaa and > there are 11 files currently available varying in sizes from 100 MB to 118 > MB. So be prepared for > the download time if you aren't on broadband. I tried one of them and it > works great. > > www.kazaalite.com< > > that's called piracy. > > Herb... > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed May 7 21:04:53 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 15:04:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Making .pdf files References: <200305071229_MC3-1-3789-D3B@compuserve.com> <001b01c314c8$c37d4f50$77d8b440@desktop> Message-ID: <3EB958D5.8647DAB0@rcn.com> Taping off radio is legal. Taping your own bought copy is legal. Taping a friend's bought copy is illegal, but probably won't cause the publisher to hunt you down. Taping off the internet, from someone else's taped copy, is very illegal and *can* get you in trouble. -- Ron Roland Alford wrote: > > I believe Piracy is when you copy something to sell it. Have you ever made a taped copy of music > for yourself of something you didn't own, even if off the radio? > > --Roland > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Herb Chong" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 9:29 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Making .pdf files > > > Message text written by Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >Another way to make .pdf files is to dowload Acrobat Full for free! Just > > checked on Kazaa and > > there are 11 files currently available varying in sizes from 100 MB to 118 > > MB. So be prepared for > > the download time if you aren't on broadband. I tried one of them and it > > works great. > > > > www.kazaalite.com< > > > > that's called piracy. > > > > Herb... From kannan_s at vsnl.com Wed May 7 21:19:49 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 00:49:49 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Question Message-ID: <20030507191949.5F25E114968@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From ad.i at wanadoo.fr Wed May 7 22:55:01 2003 From: ad.i at wanadoo.fr (Adrien F.) Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 21:55:1 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Ftp.naks.com -> eDonkey network Message-ID: <20030507195546.623F91BFFF70@mwinf0103.wanadoo.fr> Hello, I'm french so I don't speake english very well. I have a vrey good idea. You can shared the manuals on the eDonkey network. Do you know this network? He is very famous. there is above a milion people and more than 50 milions files ! This technic is very very easy for you and your server don't crash ! Moreover this network is very democratic, equable. It'sn't a network like Kazaa, where are virus, fake .... This network is a real community . Youy don't risk virus. You can't receiver virus. Moreover you don't must be a serveur, you can be a client on a international server or national server (The biggest server in the world is french, his name is Razorbak). After a two weeks , all of your manuals will be on the world. When a person download a manuals, another can download the manual at this person and so forth... You should have a brodband (min : 256 kbit/s). You should remain/wait on the network minimum 10 hours per/a day if you can't remain connected. Your broadband can't will saturate. There is 2 clients software for this network : eDonkey (old) or eMule (the yougest and the fastest) This network is very legal, lawful. On this network, you find lot of french (maybe english ?)intellectual films, about sociology, articles... On this netwok, you can find recent films but it's legal if you delete this files after .... 3 or 4 days. I don't remember.But you can find very old film, 50's ! You can see Japanese films that were not in America. You can see the film in Japanese and maybe with subtitle. This network is full of fine works of art. Newly, I find a very old french film on this network, this film date from 1938 on. " Pépé le moko" with Jean Gabin.It's a real pleasure to find this film. So I think you can shared your manuals. At the begining, it will be slowy but after it 's very fast because many person have manuals. I think it's the best means, power in order to shared this manuals in the world, democratically, equitably and justly. I write a newly mail If you I want help about : how person can give you other manuals ? You can enquire about this straightforward community on : http://www.emule-project.net/ or http://www.edonkey2000.com/ This network is very MAGIC! If you don't understand my expressions, write me fastly. Sincerely, Adrien FAUTRAT, France From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed May 7 22:00:38 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 21:00:38 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Making .pdf files In-Reply-To: <3EB958D5.8647DAB0@rcn.com> Message-ID: <000301c314d3$5471b960$1362893e@oemcomputer> Taping off the radio is ILLEGAL in the UK, regardless of any intention to sell on the recording, although I've never heard of anyone being brought to book for it ... Graham > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Ron > Sent: 07 May 2003 20:05 > To: Roland Alford; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Making .pdf files > > > > Taping off radio is legal. > > Taping your own bought copy is legal. > > Taping a friend's bought copy is illegal, but probably won't > cause the publisher to hunt you down. > > Taping off the internet, from someone else's taped copy, is > very illegal and *can* get you in trouble. > > -- Ron > > > Roland Alford wrote: > > > > I believe Piracy is when you copy something to sell it. Have > you ever made a taped copy of music > > for yourself of something you didn't own, even if off the radio? > > > > --Roland > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Herb Chong" > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 9:29 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] Making .pdf files > > > > > Message text written by Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > >Another way to make .pdf files is to dowload Acrobat Full > for free! Just > > > checked on Kazaa and > > > there are 11 files currently available varying in sizes from > 100 MB to 118 > > > MB. So be prepared for > > > the download time if you aren't on broadband. I tried one of > them and it > > > works great. > > > > > > www.kazaalite.com< > > > > > > that's called piracy. > > > > > > Herb... > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.476 / Virus Database: 273 - Release Date: 24/04/03 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.476 / Virus Database: 273 - Release Date: 24/04/03 From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed May 7 22:28:10 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 16:28:10 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Making .pdf files References: <000301c314d3$5471b960$1362893e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3EB96C5A.9012E8FA@rcn.com> Graham, I should have mentioned that I was answering with my US cap on... A famous court battle (RIAA sued Sony, because their Beta VCRs allowed users to copy TV programs off air) resulted in a landmark decision by the US Supreme Court, in effect legalizing off the air taping. While strictly, this applied to video recording only, it is generally accepted that, by extension, it applies to audio as well. -- Ron Graham Nelson wrote: > > Taping off the radio is ILLEGAL in the UK, regardless of any intention to > sell on the recording, although I've never heard of anyone being brought to > book for it ... > > Graham > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Ron > > Sent: 07 May 2003 20:05 > > To: Roland Alford; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Making .pdf files > > > > > > > > Taping off radio is legal. > > > > Taping your own bought copy is legal. > > > > Taping a friend's bought copy is illegal, but probably won't > > cause the publisher to hunt you down. > > > > Taping off the internet, from someone else's taped copy, is > > very illegal and *can* get you in trouble. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > Roland Alford wrote: > > > > > > I believe Piracy is when you copy something to sell it. Have > > you ever made a taped copy of music > > > for yourself of something you didn't own, even if off the radio? > > > > > > --Roland > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Herb Chong" > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 9:29 AM > > > Subject: [naktalk] Making .pdf files > > > > > > > Message text written by Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > >Another way to make .pdf files is to dowload Acrobat Full > > for free! Just > > > > checked on Kazaa and > > > > there are 11 files currently available varying in sizes from > > 100 MB to 118 > > > > MB. So be prepared for > > > > the download time if you aren't on broadband. I tried one of > > them and it > > > > works great. > > > > > > > > www.kazaalite.com< > > > > > > > > that's called piracy. > > > > > > > > Herb... From BADANTH at aol.com Wed May 7 23:04:08 2003 From: BADANTH at aol.com (BADANTH at aol.com) Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 17:04:08 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Sticky Analog Counter Message-ID: My counter on my CR1 has started sticking on "000" sometimes and I wondered if there's an easy way to fix it? I could live without it if I have to but, I'm thinking someone might know how to fix it easily. Thanks, Anthony -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Wed May 7 23:12:25 2003 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 23:12:25 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Kent ! ... was ...Get With It You NakTalkers!!! (ftp.naks.com) In-Reply-To: <001c01c314a9$cadac7b0$0d7cce80@Tweezzy> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20030507085029.0245aec0@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030507230747.02381c70@box.tin.it> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed May 7 23:55:58 2003 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 15:55:58 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] onkyo References: <001501c3146f$6f6f5b00$b57a893e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <044d01c314e3$73147c80$933442cf@steve> The HK CAD4/5 & Advent decks were "dictated", i.e., Nak built to specific orders on design & cost. So, they were total garbage. Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer Talking Dog Transducer Company http://stephensank.com 5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] 505-332-0336 Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer Payments preferred through Paypal.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 2:05 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] onkyo > Is there a Nak equivalent of the CAD-4 and 5 decks or were they bespoke > designs? > > Graham > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Stephen Sank > > Sent: 07 May 2003 03:22 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] onkyo > > > > > > The only connection is that Onkyo(and Harman Kardon & Kyocera) > > bought almost > > the same mechanisms from Sankyo as Nak was buying for the BX > > series & later > > models. Nak had not sold any tape hardware to anybody else, to speak of, > > since the early '70's, when they were contracted to build the > > Harman Kardon > > CAD-4 & 5 decks & Advent 200, before Nak made decks of their own design > > under their own name. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Talking Dog Transducer Company > > http://stephensank.com > > 5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] > > 505-332-0336 > > Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer > > Payments preferred through Paypal.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "nik kley" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 8:31 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] onkyo > > > > > > are onkyo decks third party nak,s? ta202?-ta2090 ? who has the truth fact > > or fiction? > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ---------- > > ---- > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------== > > ======= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------========= > > > > --- > > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.476 / Virus Database: 273 - Release Date: 24/04/03 > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.476 / Virus Database: 273 - Release Date: 24/04/03 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > From kannan_s at vsnl.com Thu May 8 00:56:43 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 04:26:43 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Sticky Analog Counter Message-ID: <20030507225643.F09E311494B@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu May 8 01:06:09 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 00:06:09 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Later ... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c314ed$3fd78740$536e893e@oemcomputer> Just had to mention this ... I should have gone to bed by now - should be up with the larks and ready for another day's damned toil in the office later this morning. But, as usual, I'm burning the midnight hour playing music ...this time I'm being captivated by the pure voice of Alison Krauss and the gobsmacking musicianship of Union Station ... Later ... Graham --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.476 / Virus Database: 273 - Release Date: 24/04/03 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Just had to mention this ... I should have gone to bed by now - should be up with the larks and ready for another day's damned toil in the office later this morning. But, as usual, I'm burning the midnight hour playing music ...this time I'm being captivated by the pure voice of Alison Krauss and the gobsmacking musicianship of Union Station ... Later ... Graham -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From greynolds at newsguy.com Thu May 8 02:39:43 2003 From: greynolds at newsguy.com (greynolds at newsguy.com) Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 20:39:43 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Making .pdf files References: <001c01c314a9$cadac7b0$0d7cce80@Tweezzy> <000c01c314b3$2e855f60$77d8b440@desktop> Message-ID: <004d01c314fa$6358cf50$6401a8c0@reynoldsg2kpro> From: "Roland Alford" > Another way to make .pdf files is to dowload Acrobat Full for free! Just checked on Kazaa and > there are 11 files currently available varying in sizes from 100 MB to 118 MB. So be prepared for > the download time if you aren't on broadband. I tried one of them and it works great. > > www.kazaalite.com Given the general line of discussion about encrypting the PDF files so people can't resell them or print them, this suggestion is extremely hypocritical. Don't steal from "us", but it's OK to steal from Adobe... My feeling is that the Nakamichi manuals on the FTP should be available at no cost to those who need them. If they are readily available, the market for selling copies of them on ebay will dry up. Unfortunately, the model where people have to donate in order to get access simply won't work for long as there's a finite amount of material available and will prevent 99% of all newcomers to the group from access. Even though Nakamichi may not really care at this point, selling the files would certain break copyright laws. -- Geoffrey Reynolds From m.pelikan at worldnet.att.net Thu May 8 04:16:10 2003 From: m.pelikan at worldnet.att.net (Michael P. Pelikan) Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 22:16:10 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 700 & 700 II board compatible? Message-ID: Hi - Quick question for anyone who knows - What is the level of board compatibility between the 700 and the 700II? Thanks - Michael Pelikan State College, PA From fredmoss at totalise.co.uk Thu May 8 10:31:22 2003 From: fredmoss at totalise.co.uk (FRED MOSS) Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 09:31:22 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 1000zxl for sale Message-ID: <3EC73C0B@mail.totalise.co.uk> 1000zxl for sale (broken, one of the prcessors needs new chip) 200 pounds buyer collects from london. Fred Totalise - the Users ISP ---------------------- To become a member and a shareholder visit http://www.totalise.net From nelson3.freeserve.co.uk at pop.pol.net.uk Wed May 7 18:31:25 2003 From: nelson3.freeserve.co.uk at pop.pol.net.uk (nelson3.freeserve.co.uk@pop3.freeserve.com) Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 12:31:25 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Question Message-ID: <99610-22003537163125914@M2W081.mail2web.com> Personally, I'd forget the 700ZXL (or 1000) unless I could buy it for next to nothing because spare parts are rare and very expensive if they are obtainable at all. One of our Nak brothers paid around $1k for a nice 1000ZXL only for it to break down within (days?) of his getting it and, in spite of expensive repairs, it's not been working since! Of course, that's fine if you're rich and can afford to lose a thousand Bucks .... but others of us sacrifice holidays abroad and other luxuries so's we can buy amongst the best cassette recorders ever made for our pleasure ... The CR7 was "positioned" (marketing-speak) as the successor to the ZX9, although there is no real similarities except they are both excellent 3 head decks from the Nakamichi stable! The ZX9 is said by some to be the less "accurate" in terms of recording faithfully from the source, which some would explain as being because the ZX9 apparently has very long signal paths in comparision to the shorter ones in the CR7. Makes a lot of sense logically, and most people I know who have tested them against each other would say there IS a difference in sound. Having said that, I also know some people with both decks who prefer LISTENING to play back from the ZX9 because they feel it is less fatiguing and, as one of them put it to me "more analogue" .... whatever that means! I have a ZX9 but not an ordinary one - apparently it's been tweaked by Tom van den Hoff. I've a CR7 in the post and will soon be comparing them for myself! However, the guy I bought the ZX9 from also had a TvdH CR7 (in fact he had two!) ... while he thought the TvdH ZX9 was perhaps the more accurate against a CR7 he reckoned the TvdH CR7 pipped it ... although he still preferred to listen to the ZX9 - in fact, he preferred to record his favourite CDs to cassette (in the CR7) and play them back on the ZX (rather than listen to them direct from the CD player ... However .... this is where I get controversial ... if I had not already been hooked onto Nak's, I would not avoid them all and go for ReVox B215's. Not because they are better - my experience of them thus far (with a troubled old B215 Mark 1 that's turning out not to be the bargain I'd thought it was!) is that my ZX9 will whip the ReVox for playback except on pre-recorded tapes. However, where it has an advantage in that it is readily servicable, parts are plentiful and there is little or no rubber inside them to go bad! But they come second hand in all conditions from the Mint to the scrap yard survivor! Someone may tell me different but, unlike B215's, I don't think any Nak's were ever made for running 24/7/365 - I believe there are a lot of retired B215's from that kind of service that appear on eBay ... and Muggins here seems to have bought one .... as there are plenty of them still running at Police HQs, airports, security monitoring sites, radio studios, etc.. Having said that, if I could afford it, I'd buy up all remaining stocks of ZX9s just to keep mine going for the next 50 years ... by which time I expect natural causes will have carried me off or the Yellow Stone National Park's super volcano will have destroyed Mankind and 99.99% of all other living creatives .... however, emerging from the volcanic dust and "nuclear winter" will probably be a ReVox B215 still recording on a loop tape! Graham Original Message: ----------------- From: Stanley Waterman icarus6 at telusplanet.net Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 07:59:52 -0600 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Question Hello, I presently am looking to buy a Nakamichi Deck on E Bay. I am considering a CR7A or a ZX9. Are they equivalent machines or is one more preferable? Is it worth the extra money to buy 700ZXL? Please let me know your thoughts, Thank You, Stanley -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri May 9 10:06:26 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 10:06:26 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] Quiet... Message-ID: <11819.212.78.179.234.1052467586.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Hi All, I hope the sudden silence on naktalk is not caused my a server problem... Keep talkin' Wouter From BADANTH at aol.com Fri May 9 13:55:14 2003 From: BADANTH at aol.com (BADANTH at aol.com) Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 07:55:14 EDT Subject: [naktalk] More Trouble Message-ID: <33.385f0186.2becf122@aol.com> Well, I've got another problem with my first Nak aquisition. It seems my CR1A is locked up and won't play, rewind, forward or eject. I noticed yesterday that the play and pause buttons would flash and was able to restart the deck without further trouble. Also, either the record or playback(both maybe) was slow and not up to speed. I tried a couple of tapes and this was evident on all of them. Today the deck just flashes play and pause and will not stop (it is not moving just can't get the stop button to stay on) or allow the tape to eject. I can hear it trying to move but it just returns to flashing. Is this something I can fix or will it need professional help? I know it's not worth a whole lot and may just move on to something better. I just thought if it was not too major I may stick with it. Thanks, Anthony -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From m.pelikan at worldnet.att.net Fri May 9 14:00:24 2003 From: m.pelikan at worldnet.att.net (Michael P. Pelikan) Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 08:00:24 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Quiet... In-Reply-To: <11819.212.78.179.234.1052467586.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: Hi Wouter et all - No server problem - maybe everyone was catching their breath! Ok - let me try my question again: What is the level of board compatibility between the 700 and the 700II? And while we're here - what can account for a 700 that I can't adjust the bias to achieve flat response at 15khz? Thes best I can get on UDXLII is about 4 to 5 db down (as judged by the Nak's meters) I believe the meters have flat response - they show no change when monitoring input when I change frequencies. The heads are demagnetized and show no visible wear. Can aging components, especially caps, account for this? It's as if the bias trim doesn't have enough range to pull off the job. And lastly, does anyone have an already-comiled list of electrolytic caps that are candidates for replacement in ouor various models? I kinow one can simply go through and replace everything, but a parts list would be a great aid, enabling one to order the pieces needed and approach the task like a kit. Has anyone complied such lists? I'm sure ther 700II shop manual would be of great assistance, but I do not have one - all I have are the original 600 and 700 II owners manuals - and the archive already has these so I despair of ever being able to make my contribution and thereby gain free, repeated access to the accumulated materials.... Thanks in advance for any suggestions - Michael Pelikan State College, PA -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Wouter Heijke Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 4:06 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Quiet... Hi All, I hope the sudden silence on naktalk is not caused my a server problem... Keep talkin' Wouter ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri May 9 17:26:42 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 20:56:42 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] More Trouble Message-ID: <20030509152642.A1E2A11495A@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From marcdenis at iquebec.com Fri May 9 17:55:53 2003 From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis) Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 11:55:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Quiet... In-Reply-To: References: <11819.212.78.179.234.1052467586.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20030509113841.039b5d30@pop.iquebec.com> At 08:00 2003/05/09 -0400, Michael Pelikan wrote: >And while we're here - what can account for a 700 that I can't adjust the >bias to achieve flat response at 15khz? Thes best I can get on UDXLII is >about 4 to 5 db down (as judged by the Nak's meters) I believe the meters >have flat response - they show no change when monitoring input when I change >frequencies. The heads are demagnetized and show no visible wear. Can >aging components, especially caps, account for this? It's as if the bias >trim doesn't have enough range to pull off the job. Michael, are you recording at 0 dB or -20 dB VU when doing your tests? Frequency response should be measured at -20 dB. IMHO, a high frequency loss of only 4 or 5 dB at 15 kHz and 0 dB is better than you can reasonably expect, except perhaps when using Metal tape on a compatible deck. From enoyes at snet.net Fri May 9 18:12:06 2003 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 12:12:06 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] More Trouble References: <33.385f0186.2becf122@aol.com> Message-ID: <3EBBD356.3080900@snet.net> What you are describing are pretty classic symptoms of a carbonized transport control motor. They can be removed with a bit of work and rebuilt (with the rebuild part of the job actually being more simple a procedure than the actual removal). How handy are you with a set of tools? Ed BADANTH at aol.com wrote: > Well, I've got another problem with my first Nak aquisition. It seems > my CR1A is locked up and won't play, rewind, forward or eject. I > noticed yesterday that the play and pause buttons would flash and was > able to restart the deck without further trouble. Also, either the > record or playback(both maybe) was slow and not up to speed. I tried a > couple of tapes and this was evident on all of them. > > Today the deck just flashes play and pause and will not stop (it is > not moving just can't get the stop button to stay on) or allow the > tape to eject. I can hear it trying to move but it just returns to > flashing. Is this something I can fix or will it need professional > help? I know it's not worth a whole lot and may just move on to > something better. I just thought if it was not too major I may stick > with it. > > Thanks, > > Anthony > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri May 9 19:15:32 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 00:15:32 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] More Trouble References: <20030509152642.A1E2A11495A@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <003401c3164e$9c277e80$9e299bca@smarzuki> Hey Kannan thanks for awarding me the postkeeper title =) Last posted for similar MR1 inquiry, here goes ... -------- Several invaluable advise from Stephen w/r/t related cam motor problem: (note: it's a small dc motor, only proceed if you feel comfortable opening small motor and handling delicate motor brushes, otherwise be prepared with a backup spare motor and transfer the worm gear to new motor) -------- You mode control motor is not running. This is the motor that has a worm gear mounted on it that drives the cam that lifts the head block. The motor will need to be either overhauled or replaced. If you give it a nudge right after turning it on & it starts functioning, this confirms the diagnosis. It may actually work for a good while after doing this. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm -------- I think you'd have figured this one out within a day or two, but to save you the time: The mode control motor is at fault. Just take the motor apart & clean the carbon from the commutator & brushes, apply a bit of silicone contact lubricant & throw it back together. Should be cured for years. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm -------- This is for the dirty switch variety: Your MR-1 is fairly certainly suffering from dirty mode sensing switches. Not hard to cure. The proper way to start is to go to a real electronics parts store, i.e., not Radio Shack, and buy a "contact burnishing tool" of the narrowest width they have. Should cost 2 or 3 bucks. Next, pop the top cover off the MR-1 & try to play a tape. Corresponding with the heads moving up & down, you will see a small motor driving a white plastic cam, which has a bank of three leaf switches riding it. These are the mode sensing switches. Near the tip of each metal switch leaf, you will see a tiny wedge-shaped bit, with a corresponding bit on the opposite leaf. Turn off the deck. Stick your burnishing tool, which you may have to bend to get it in there, in between these two wedge bits on each switch. Apply a little finger pressure to close them together if they aren't already closed, and move the tool back & forth between them 5 or 10 times each. Now try it again & see if it is cured. The improper way is to substitute a strip of index card or other suitable stiff paper item, with the end dampened with WD-40 or Caig Deoxit, and simply substitute it for the burnishing tool. This should cure it. If not, repeat the procedure one more time. If it still misbehaves, it is a circuitry problem that should be seen by a Nak-experienced professional. Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer Talking Dog Transducer Company ----- Original Message ----- From: > Hi, > > Can anyone help me solve a problem with a MR-1 that I've just gotten? > All functions work except that when the 'play' button is pushed the > tape transport moves up and down a couple of times and then stops. > When the transport is brought up to contact the tape the hub begins to > move but stops as soon as the transport moves down and out of contact > with the tape. > > Mike > -------- And the last one for a roughly similar problem on old naks (?): There are two easy possibilities. First, try a bit of contact cleaner spritzed into the cam sensing potentiometer. Second, pull the belt free of the control motor pulley, with the deck turned off, shoot the motor full of silicone spray lubricant(non-conductive) through the slots in the back end, then turn the deck on. The motor will spin at a speed proportional to how far the cam is from the stop position, so you can push the cam a bit one way or the other & make the motor spin faster, slower or stop. Let it spin fast for a few minutes. Then reinstall the belt & see how things are. One other thing not inlikely is cold solder joints on the control motor drive transistors. Either on the schematic or physically, follow the wire(the one that doesn't go right to ground, of course) back to the logic board & it the line will take you straight to the right pair of transistors. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com ------- Original question for all the above: ----- Original Message ----- From: Johnson, Gary To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 12:18 PM Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 Woes! Hello All, Thanks for all the replies. I have tried cleaning the contacts on the mode cam but no luck. Stephen Sank mentioned about carbon build - up inside the motor. I haven't found this post in the archives. Could somebody point me in the right direction or attach it in a private email? TIA Regards, Gary J. ------ good luck ! salim sm ----- Original Message ----- From: kannan_s at vsnl.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 10:26 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] More Trouble The mode CAM motor wich senses the Mechanism positions whether it is in Play mode /FF/REW/REC mode has problem If you open the cover and look at the back of the mechanism - you will notice a small motor connected to a plastic gears attached to three copper leaf switches. Sometimes if the wires - comes off soldering/ or the connector coming off from the socket can also cause this problem - check the action of this motor and leaf switches while you change the mode - it can give ou some clue to its problem - If you are brave hearted Nak DIY tech newbie - Salim has detailed posting from Stephen as well as his personal experience in opening and cleaning this motor. TRy anyway multiple time switching to set the motor to correct itself by repeatedly changing the mode anyway before you dismantle the mechanism! Good luck Kannan BADANTH at aol.com wrote Well, I've got another problem with my first Nak aquisition. It seems my CR1A is locked up and won't play, rewind, forward or eject. I noticed yesterday that the play and pause buttons would flash and was able to restart the deck without further trouble. Also, either the record or playback(both maybe) was slow and not up to speed. I tried a couple of tapes and this was evident on all of them. Today the deck just flashes play and pause and will not stop (it is not moving just can't get the stop button to stay on) or allow the tape to eject. I can hear it trying to move but it just returns to flashing. Is this something I can fix or will it need professional help? I know it's not worth a whole lot and may just move on to something better. I just thought if it was not too major I may stick with it. Thanks, Anthony From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri May 9 19:21:54 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 00:21:54 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Quiet... References: <11819.212.78.179.234.1052467586.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <4.3.2.7.2.20030509113841.039b5d30@pop.iquebec.com> Message-ID: <003b01c3164f$7d5425c0$9e299bca@smarzuki> If you'r recording at -20dB I'd like to add that unless the head is new, 'no visible wear' can also be deceiving, as proven by a fresh looking 682zx pb head here that showed drastic HF rolloff. Not sure about the electronics effect though but usually they don't go bad on both channels at once. salim sm ----- Original Message ----- From: Marc Denis To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 10:55 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Quiet... At 08:00 2003/05/09 -0400, Michael Pelikan wrote: >And while we're here - what can account for a 700 that I can't adjust the >bias to achieve flat response at 15khz? Thes best I can get on UDXLII is >about 4 to 5 db down (as judged by the Nak's meters) I believe the meters >have flat response - they show no change when monitoring input when I change >frequencies. The heads are demagnetized and show no visible wear. Can >aging components, especially caps, account for this? It's as if the bias >trim doesn't have enough range to pull off the job. Michael, are you recording at 0 dB or -20 dB VU when doing your tests? Frequency response should be measured at -20 dB. IMHO, a high frequency loss of only 4 or 5 dB at 15 kHz and 0 dB is better than you can reasonably expect, except perhaps when using Metal tape on a compatible deck. ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri May 9 19:32:12 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 23:02:12 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] TO Message-ID: <20030509173212.E6BE6114998@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From bittersc at web.de Fri May 9 20:01:27 2003 From: bittersc at web.de (Steffi) Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 20:01:27 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] AW: Naktalk Digest, Vol 3, Issue 17 In-Reply-To: <200305091711.h49HBHNk023702@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi there, I do not find my mail regarding a my search of a new Eject and Power button for my beloved Dragon Tape Deck. Any idea where it is? Thanks Alexander -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- Von: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]Im Auftrag von naktalk-request at naks.com Gesendet: Freitag, 9. Mai 2003 19:12 An: naktalk at naks.com Betreff: Naktalk Digest, Vol 3, Issue 17 Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to naktalk at naks.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to naktalk-request at naks.com You can reach the person managing the list at naktalk-owner at naks.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." Naktalk digest mailing list Today's Topics: 1. Re: Making .pdf files (greynolds at newsguy.com) 2. 700 & 700 II board compatible? (Michael P. Pelikan) 3. 1000zxl for sale (FRED MOSS) 4. RE: Question (nelson3.freeserve.co.uk at pop3.freeserve.com) 5. Quiet... (Wouter Heijke) 6. More Trouble (BADANTH at aol.com) 7. RE: Quiet... (Michael P. Pelikan) 8. Re: More Trouble (kannan_s at vsnl.com) 9. RE: Quiet... (Marc Denis) 10. Re: More Trouble (Ed Noyes) 11. Re: More Trouble (Salim Marzuki) 12. Re: Quiet... (Salim Marzuki) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 20:39:43 -0400 From: greynolds at newsguy.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Making .pdf files To: "Roland Alford" , "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Message-ID: <004d01c314fa$6358cf50$6401a8c0 at reynoldsg2kpro> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Roland Alford" > Another way to make .pdf files is to dowload Acrobat Full for free! Just checked on Kazaa and > there are 11 files currently available varying in sizes from 100 MB to 118 MB. So be prepared for > the download time if you aren't on broadband. I tried one of them and it works great. > > www.kazaalite.com Given the general line of discussion about encrypting the PDF files so people can't resell them or print them, this suggestion is extremely hypocritical. Don't steal from "us", but it's OK to steal from Adobe... My feeling is that the Nakamichi manuals on the FTP should be available at no cost to those who need them. If they are readily available, the market for selling copies of them on ebay will dry up. Unfortunately, the model where people have to donate in order to get access simply won't work for long as there's a finite amount of material available and will prevent 99% of all newcomers to the group from access. Even though Nakamichi may not really care at this point, selling the files would certain break copyright laws. -- Geoffrey Reynolds ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 22:16:10 -0400 From: "Michael P. Pelikan" Subject: [naktalk] 700 & 700 II board compatible? To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi - Quick question for anyone who knows - What is the level of board compatibility between the 700 and the 700II? Thanks - Michael Pelikan State College, PA ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 09:31:22 +0100 From: FRED MOSS Subject: [naktalk] 1000zxl for sale To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <3EC73C0B at mail.totalise.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" 1000zxl for sale (broken, one of the prcessors needs new chip) 200 pounds buyer collects from london. Fred Totalise - the Users ISP ---------------------- To become a member and a shareholder visit http://www.totalise.net ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 12:31:25 -0400 From: "nelson3.freeserve.co.uk at pop3.freeserve.com" Subject: RE: [naktalk] Question To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <99610-22003537163125914 at M2W081.mail2web.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Personally, I'd forget the 700ZXL (or 1000) unless I could buy it for next to nothing because spare parts are rare and very expensive if they are obtainable at all. One of our Nak brothers paid around $1k for a nice 1000ZXL only for it to break down within (days?) of his getting it and, in spite of expensive repairs, it's not been working since! Of course, that's fine if you're rich and can afford to lose a thousand Bucks .... but others of us sacrifice holidays abroad and other luxuries so's we can buy amongst the best cassette recorders ever made for our pleasure ... The CR7 was "positioned" (marketing-speak) as the successor to the ZX9, although there is no real similarities except they are both excellent 3 head decks from the Nakamichi stable! The ZX9 is said by some to be the less "accurate" in terms of recording faithfully from the source, which some would explain as being because the ZX9 apparently has very long signal paths in comparision to the shorter ones in the CR7. Makes a lot of sense logically, and most people I know who have tested them against each other would say there IS a difference in sound. Having said that, I also know some people with both decks who prefer LISTENING to play back from the ZX9 because they feel it is less fatiguing and, as one of them put it to me "more analogue" .... whatever that means! I have a ZX9 but not an ordinary one - apparently it's been tweaked by Tom van den Hoff. I've a CR7 in the post and will soon be comparing them for myself! However, the guy I bought the ZX9 from also had a TvdH CR7 (in fact he had two!) ... while he thought the TvdH ZX9 was perhaps the more accurate against a CR7 he reckoned the TvdH CR7 pipped it ... although he still preferred to listen to the ZX9 - in fact, he preferred to record his favourite CDs to cassette (in the CR7) and play them back on the ZX (rather than listen to them direct from the CD player ... However .... this is where I get controversial ... if I had not already been hooked onto Nak's, I would not avoid them all and go for ReVox B215's. Not because they are better - my experience of them thus far (with a troubled old B215 Mark 1 that's turning out not to be the bargain I'd thought it was!) is that my ZX9 will whip the ReVox for playback except on pre-recorded tapes. However, where it has an advantage in that it is readily servicable, parts are plentiful and there is little or no rubber inside them to go bad! But they come second hand in all conditions from the Mint to the scrap yard survivor! Someone may tell me different but, unlike B215's, I don't think any Nak's were ever made for running 24/7/365 - I believe there are a lot of retired B215's from that kind of service that appear on eBay ... and Muggins here seems to have bought one .... as there are plenty of them still running at Police HQs, airports, security monitoring sites, radio studios, etc.. Having said that, if I could afford it, I'd buy up all remaining stocks of ZX9s just to keep mine going for the next 50 years ... by which time I expect natural causes will have carried me off or the Yellow Stone National Park's super volcano will have destroyed Mankind and 99.99% of all other living creatives .... however, emerging from the volcanic dust and "nuclear winter" will probably be a ReVox B215 still recording on a loop tape! Graham Original Message: ----------------- From: Stanley Waterman icarus6 at telusplanet.net Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 07:59:52 -0600 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Question Hello, I presently am looking to buy a Nakamichi Deck on E Bay. I am considering a CR7A or a ZX9. Are they equivalent machines or is one more preferable? Is it worth the extra money to buy 700ZXL? Please let me know your thoughts, Thank You, Stanley -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 10:06:26 +0200 (CEST) From: "Wouter Heijke" Subject: [naktalk] Quiet... To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <11819.212.78.179.234.1052467586.squirrel at webmail.xs4all.nl> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Hi All, I hope the sudden silence on naktalk is not caused my a server problem... Keep talkin' Wouter ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 07:55:14 EDT From: BADANTH at aol.com Subject: [naktalk] More Trouble To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <33.385f0186.2becf122 at aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Well, I've got another problem with my first Nak aquisition. It seems my CR1A is locked up and won't play, rewind, forward or eject. I noticed yesterday that the play and pause buttons would flash and was able to restart the deck without further trouble. Also, either the record or playback(both maybe) was slow and not up to speed. I tried a couple of tapes and this was evident on all of them. Today the deck just flashes play and pause and will not stop (it is not moving just can't get the stop button to stay on) or allow the tape to eject. I can hear it trying to move but it just returns to flashing. Is this something I can fix or will it need professional help? I know it's not worth a whole lot and may just move on to something better. I just thought if it was not too major I may stick with it. Thanks, Anthony -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20030509/a0a2ee73/at tachment-0001.htm ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 08:00:24 -0400 From: "Michael P. Pelikan" Subject: RE: [naktalk] Quiet... To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Wouter et all - No server problem - maybe everyone was catching their breath! Ok - let me try my question again: What is the level of board compatibility between the 700 and the 700II? And while we're here - what can account for a 700 that I can't adjust the bias to achieve flat response at 15khz? Thes best I can get on UDXLII is about 4 to 5 db down (as judged by the Nak's meters) I believe the meters have flat response - they show no change when monitoring input when I change frequencies. The heads are demagnetized and show no visible wear. Can aging components, especially caps, account for this? It's as if the bias trim doesn't have enough range to pull off the job. And lastly, does anyone have an already-comiled list of electrolytic caps that are candidates for replacement in ouor various models? I kinow one can simply go through and replace everything, but a parts list would be a great aid, enabling one to order the pieces needed and approach the task like a kit. Has anyone complied such lists? I'm sure ther 700II shop manual would be of great assistance, but I do not have one - all I have are the original 600 and 700 II owners manuals - and the archive already has these so I despair of ever being able to make my contribution and thereby gain free, repeated access to the accumulated materials.... Thanks in advance for any suggestions - Michael Pelikan State College, PA -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Wouter Heijke Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 4:06 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Quiet... Hi All, I hope the sudden silence on naktalk is not caused my a server problem... Keep talkin' Wouter ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 20:56:42 +0530 (IST) From: kannan_s at vsnl.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] More Trouble To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <20030509152642.A1E2A11495A at webmail.vsnl.com> Content-Type: text/plain The mode CAM motor wich senses the Mechanism positions whether it is in Play mode /FF/REW/REC mode has problem If you open the cover and look at the back of the mechanism - you will notice a small motor connected to a plastic gears attached to three copper leaf switches. Sometimes if the wires - comes off soldering/ or the connector coming off from the socket can also cause this problem - check the action of this motor and leaf switches while you change the mode - it can give ou some clue to its problem - If you are brave hearted Nak DIY tech newbie - Salim has detailed posting from Stephen as well as his personal experience in opening and cleaning this motor. TRy anyway multiple time switching to set the motor to correct itself by repeatedly changing the mode anyway before you dismantle the mechanism! Good luck Kannan BADANTH at aol.com wrote Well, I've got another problem with my first Nak aquisition. It seems my CR1A is locked up and won't play, rewind, forward or eject. I noticed yesterday that the play and pause buttons would flash and was able to restart the deck without further trouble. Also, either the record or playback(both maybe) was slow and not up to speed. I tried a couple of tapes and this was evident on all of them. Today the deck just flashes play and pause and will not stop (it is not moving just can't get the stop button to stay on) or allow the tape to eject. I can hear it trying to move but it just returns to flashing. Is this something I can fix or will it need professional help? I know it's not worth a whole lot and may just move on to something better. I just thought if it was not too major I may stick with it. Thanks, Anthony ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 11:55:53 -0400 From: Marc Denis Subject: RE: [naktalk] Quiet... To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20030509113841.039b5d30 at pop.iquebec.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed At 08:00 2003/05/09 -0400, Michael Pelikan wrote: >And while we're here - what can account for a 700 that I can't adjust the >bias to achieve flat response at 15khz? Thes best I can get on UDXLII is >about 4 to 5 db down (as judged by the Nak's meters) I believe the meters >have flat response - they show no change when monitoring input when I change >frequencies. The heads are demagnetized and show no visible wear. Can >aging components, especially caps, account for this? It's as if the bias >trim doesn't have enough range to pull off the job. Michael, are you recording at 0 dB or -20 dB VU when doing your tests? Frequency response should be measured at -20 dB. IMHO, a high frequency loss of only 4 or 5 dB at 15 kHz and 0 dB is better than you can reasonably expect, except perhaps when using Metal tape on a compatible deck. ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 12:12:06 -0400 From: Ed Noyes Subject: Re: [naktalk] More Trouble To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <3EBBD356.3080900 at snet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" What you are describing are pretty classic symptoms of a carbonized transport control motor. They can be removed with a bit of work and rebuilt (with the rebuild part of the job actually being more simple a procedure than the actual removal). How handy are you with a set of tools? Ed BADANTH at aol.com wrote: > Well, I've got another problem with my first Nak aquisition. It seems > my CR1A is locked up and won't play, rewind, forward or eject. I > noticed yesterday that the play and pause buttons would flash and was > able to restart the deck without further trouble. Also, either the > record or playback(both maybe) was slow and not up to speed. I tried a > couple of tapes and this was evident on all of them. > > Today the deck just flashes play and pause and will not stop (it is > not moving just can't get the stop button to stay on) or allow the > tape to eject. I can hear it trying to move but it just returns to > flashing. Is this something I can fix or will it need professional > help? I know it's not worth a whole lot and may just move on to > something better. I just thought if it was not too major I may stick > with it. > > Thanks, > > Anthony > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20030509/2e54b773/at tachment-0001.htm ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 00:15:32 +0700 From: Salim Marzuki Subject: Re: [naktalk] More Trouble To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <003401c3164e$9c277e80$9e299bca at smarzuki> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Hey Kannan thanks for awarding me the postkeeper title =) Last posted for similar MR1 inquiry, here goes ... -------- Several invaluable advise from Stephen w/r/t related cam motor problem: (note: it's a small dc motor, only proceed if you feel comfortable opening small motor and handling delicate motor brushes, otherwise be prepared with a backup spare motor and transfer the worm gear to new motor) -------- You mode control motor is not running. This is the motor that has a worm gear mounted on it that drives the cam that lifts the head block. The motor will need to be either overhauled or replaced. If you give it a nudge right after turning it on & it starts functioning, this confirms the diagnosis. It may actually work for a good while after doing this. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm -------- I think you'd have figured this one out within a day or two, but to save you the time: The mode control motor is at fault. Just take the motor apart & clean the carbon from the commutator & brushes, apply a bit of silicone contact lubricant & throw it back together. Should be cured for years. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm -------- This is for the dirty switch variety: Your MR-1 is fairly certainly suffering from dirty mode sensing switches. Not hard to cure. The proper way to start is to go to a real electronics parts store, i.e., not Radio Shack, and buy a "contact burnishing tool" of the narrowest width they have. Should cost 2 or 3 bucks. Next, pop the top cover off the MR-1 & try to play a tape. Corresponding with the heads moving up & down, you will see a small motor driving a white plastic cam, which has a bank of three leaf switches riding it. These are the mode sensing switches. Near the tip of each metal switch leaf, you will see a tiny wedge-shaped bit, with a corresponding bit on the opposite leaf. Turn off the deck. Stick your burnishing tool, which you may have to bend to get it in there, in between these two wedge bits on each switch. Apply a little finger pressure to close them together if they aren't already closed, and move the tool back & forth between them 5 or 10 times each. Now try it again & see if it is cured. The improper way is to substitute a strip of index card or other suitable stiff paper item, with the end dampened with WD-40 or Caig Deoxit, and simply substitute it for the burnishing tool. This should cure it. If not, repeat the procedure one more time. If it still misbehaves, it is a circuitry problem that should be seen by a Nak-experienced professional. Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer Talking Dog Transducer Company ----- Original Message ----- From: > Hi, > > Can anyone help me solve a problem with a MR-1 that I've just gotten? > All functions work except that when the 'play' button is pushed the > tape transport moves up and down a couple of times and then stops. > When the transport is brought up to contact the tape the hub begins to > move but stops as soon as the transport moves down and out of contact > with the tape. > > Mike > -------- And the last one for a roughly similar problem on old naks (?): There are two easy possibilities. First, try a bit of contact cleaner spritzed into the cam sensing potentiometer. Second, pull the belt free of the control motor pulley, with the deck turned off, shoot the motor full of silicone spray lubricant(non-conductive) through the slots in the back end, then turn the deck on. The motor will spin at a speed proportional to how far the cam is from the stop position, so you can push the cam a bit one way or the other & make the motor spin faster, slower or stop. Let it spin fast for a few minutes. Then reinstall the belt & see how things are. One other thing not inlikely is cold solder joints on the control motor drive transistors. Either on the schematic or physically, follow the wire(the one that doesn't go right to ground, of course) back to the logic board & it the line will take you straight to the right pair of transistors. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com ------- Original question for all the above: ----- Original Message ----- From: Johnson, Gary To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 12:18 PM Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 Woes! Hello All, Thanks for all the replies. I have tried cleaning the contacts on the mode cam but no luck. Stephen Sank mentioned about carbon build - up inside the motor. I haven't found this post in the archives. Could somebody point me in the right direction or attach it in a private email? TIA Regards, Gary J. ------ good luck ! salim sm ----- Original Message ----- From: kannan_s at vsnl.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 10:26 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] More Trouble The mode CAM motor wich senses the Mechanism positions whether it is in Play mode /FF/REW/REC mode has problem If you open the cover and look at the back of the mechanism - you will notice a small motor connected to a plastic gears attached to three copper leaf switches. Sometimes if the wires - comes off soldering/ or the connector coming off from the socket can also cause this problem - check the action of this motor and leaf switches while you change the mode - it can give ou some clue to its problem - If you are brave hearted Nak DIY tech newbie - Salim has detailed posting from Stephen as well as his personal experience in opening and cleaning this motor. TRy anyway multiple time switching to set the motor to correct itself by repeatedly changing the mode anyway before you dismantle the mechanism! Good luck Kannan BADANTH at aol.com wrote Well, I've got another problem with my first Nak aquisition. It seems my CR1A is locked up and won't play, rewind, forward or eject. I noticed yesterday that the play and pause buttons would flash and was able to restart the deck without further trouble. Also, either the record or playback(both maybe) was slow and not up to speed. I tried a couple of tapes and this was evident on all of them. Today the deck just flashes play and pause and will not stop (it is not moving just can't get the stop button to stay on) or allow the tape to eject. I can hear it trying to move but it just returns to flashing. Is this something I can fix or will it need professional help? I know it's not worth a whole lot and may just move on to something better. I just thought if it was not too major I may stick with it. Thanks, Anthony ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 00:21:54 +0700 From: Salim Marzuki Subject: Re: [naktalk] Quiet... To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <003b01c3164f$7d5425c0$9e299bca at smarzuki> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 If you'r recording at -20dB I'd like to add that unless the head is new, 'no visible wear' can also be deceiving, as proven by a fresh looking 682zx pb head here that showed drastic HF rolloff. Not sure about the electronics effect though but usually they don't go bad on both channels at once. salim sm ----- Original Message ----- From: Marc Denis To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 10:55 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Quiet... At 08:00 2003/05/09 -0400, Michael Pelikan wrote: >And while we're here - what can account for a 700 that I can't adjust the >bias to achieve flat response at 15khz? Thes best I can get on UDXLII is >about 4 to 5 db down (as judged by the Nak's meters) I believe the meters >have flat response - they show no change when monitoring input when I change >frequencies. The heads are demagnetized and show no visible wear. Can >aging components, especially caps, account for this? It's as if the bias >trim doesn't have enough range to pull off the job. Michael, are you recording at 0 dB or -20 dB VU when doing your tests? Frequency response should be measured at -20 dB. IMHO, a high frequency loss of only 4 or 5 dB at 15 kHz and 0 dB is better than you can reasonably expect, except perhaps when using Metal tape on a compatible deck. ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 3, Issue 17 ************************************** From alex at autoconsortium.com Fri May 9 20:14:57 2003 From: alex at autoconsortium.com (Alex Cagann) Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 13:14:57 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] AW: Naktalk Digest, Vol 3, Issue 17 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Alexander, I'd like one too, if you find a source.... Alex Cagann http://www.autoconsortium.com > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Steffi > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 1:01 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] AW: Naktalk Digest, Vol 3, Issue 17 > Importance: High > > > Hi there, > > I do not find my mail regarding a my search of a new Eject and > Power button > for my beloved Dragon Tape Deck. > Any idea where it is? > > Thanks > > Alexander > From marcushemma at hotmail.com Fri May 9 20:14:47 2003 From: marcushemma at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Marcus_Ros=E9n?=) Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 20:14:47 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 700 & 700 II board compatible? References: Message-ID: I will try to answer abt. board compatibility between the 700 and the 700II. Have had some experience from both versions, even if the 700 is no longer in my house: I traded it with my father for his 550DT! The Dolby, logic, capstan motor governor boards are all the same p/n´s. The rest differs, even if some boards are compatible: The p/b board has slightly different electronics and one connection for the eq. is not the same. The power supply board has more decoupling, but same connections. The main board, front control board and swith board are not the same because of slightly different electronics and functions. Marcus Stockholm, Sweden. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael P. Pelikan" To: Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 4:16 AM Subject: [naktalk] 700 & 700 II board compatible? > Hi - > > Quick question for anyone who knows - What is the level of board > compatibility between the 700 and the 700II? > > Thanks - > > Michael Pelikan > State College, PA > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > From ztiller at hotmail.com Fri May 9 20:20:50 2003 From: ztiller at hotmail.com (Rob Z) Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 13:20:50 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Question Message-ID: Hello members. Thanks for your posts to this original question. I also wondered about what would be another "nice" deck to add to my collection, which now is only a CR-7A & an RX-505. I've decided to search for a ZX9 first, then a Dragon. It's good to hear the opinions of experienced, knowledgable people and there are many in this group. I just hope I can get parts for these things for another 10 years. Zabo >From: kannan_s at vsnl.com >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Question >Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 00:49:49 +0530 (IST) > >Simply stated - if you like tube sound with speakers which has drooping >High Frequency content - you probably like ZX9 - it lacks the HF clarity of >CR7. I found tweaking a Dragon' playback you could improve the high >frequency transparency nearing CR7. SO if you are thinking of one Deck only >mostly playback - CR7 is a very good provided you like the non tube sound - >(ie not bloated mid range/ upper bass described not in a bad sort of way) >Otherwise go for a Dragon - it has a solid transport/ calibration as good >as ZX9/ Auto reverse and auto azimuth a true pleasure to play any damn >tape!!! I am somehow find ZX9 appeal with unrealistic prices not very >attractive unless you are hard of hearing high frquencies >Kannan > >smarzuki at indosat.net.id wrote > >My opinion is 90% similar to Stan's. Ime ZXL sounds best of all 3 on both >playback and record (also has a bit tighter rec/pb tolerance of +/- 1.5dB >.... if it is at factory spec of course) but a b**ch to maintain, >especially >on record side (that a.b.l.e feature) now that it's about 20 yrs old. > >ZX9 and CR7 are both excellent record decks, but I like the manual >calibration of ZX9 better. Up to now I haven't heard (on this list at >least) of a failure on CR7's auto calibration setup, but *if* the default >is >a bit off (like mine) then you're stuck with a wrong setup all the time >until the deck is serviced. It is as complicated as ZXL's a.b.l.e but much >more robust. ZX9 is quite easy to service or maintain with its all manual >electronics, in addition to its tried and true old naks transport. > >On playback side although I personally like ZX9's more solid mid / bass >rather than CR7's crystal clear high, CR7's playback azimuth trim is a >convenient feature that's hard to beat. So if you don't record tapes that >often then you might want a CR7, otherwise I'd pick ZX9 for recording. I >hope you're not that confused by now. =) > >Similar disclaimers apply (if you already have a CR4 or ZX7 etc). > >Good luck ! >Salim SM > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Stan Targowski >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 10:16 PM >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Question > > >700ZXL may be the most classic and perhaps the 'best' of the three, even >though some might argue, however, considering its current age and source >(e-bay), this may be the most expensive unit to maintain. Parts may be >difficult to get, and this may also be the unit asking for the most >attention. > >CR7A and ZX9 - this is even tougher question. CR7A is a newer model, with a >lot of built in automation. ZX-9 has a more puristic approach where you >calibrate all of the functions manually. Both of these are great machines. >I >think here, it may be a matter of personal choice. Which one better fits to >your system, the looks, the convenience, etc. One key difference between >the >two, is that CR7 allows for adjustment of playback azimuth, which can be >very helpful if you have a collection of tapes recorded on other units. > >Personally, at this time, I would scratch the 700ZXL, and struggle between >the other two - considering similar condition, I would pick the ZX-9. > >Stan > >P.S. - it also depends whether this will be your only Nakamaichi or one of >many. If you already have say a CR3/4 you may want to go with ZX-9 (and if >you have a ZX-7 I would go with CR-7). >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf >Of >Stanley Waterman >Sent: Wed, May 07, 2003 9:00 AM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: [naktalk] Question > > >Hello, > >I presently am looking to buy a Nakamichi Deck on E Bay. > > I am considering a CR7A or a ZX9. > >Are they equivalent machines or is one more preferable? > >Is it worth the extra money to buy 700ZXL? > >Please let me know your thoughts, > >Thank You, > >Stanley > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From ti at amb.org Fri May 9 20:31:15 2003 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 11:31:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] AW: Naktalk Digest, Vol 3, Issue 17 In-Reply-To: from "Steffi" at May 09, 2003 08:01:27 PM Message-ID: <200305091831.SAA18526@amb.org> Steffi writes: > I do not find my mail regarding a my search of a new Eject and Power button > for my beloved Dragon Tape Deck. > Any idea where it is? Same here! The printed symbols have worn away from use and it would be nice to have fresh ones. Otherwise my Dragon looks like new. -Ti -- /// Ti Kan Vorsprung durch Technik /// AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA /// ti at amb.org ////// http://www.amb.org/ti/ /// From thsinclair at localdial.com Fri May 9 22:16:44 2003 From: thsinclair at localdial.com (Sinclair Forrest) Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 21:16:44 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] TD-700 Message-ID: <004c01c31667$e985abc0$548ee2c3@a9u3z8> Hi! Anyone know where I can get hold of a service manual for a TD-700 car unit? I have a colleague who has one that needs repairing. Many thanks, Sinclair -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri May 9 23:19:29 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 17:19:29 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: [NakChatt] Naks and Remotes References: Message-ID: <3EBC1B61.8076AF97@rcn.com> Following the posts on remote controls, I started to look into what was available on the market that can be use to remotely control Nakamichi decks and became interested. I'd like to build one, just for the fun of it... However, I already have a remote for my CR-7 and have no need for an additional remote. So, I am offering an after-market remote control for $100. It will provide RM-200 functionality and will work with the ZX-7, ZX-9, CR-3 through CR-7, BX-300, MR-1 or any Nak that can use the RM200. Ask me if you have another Nak with a remote control jack on the rear, it's highly likely I can accomodate. The remote will consist of two units: a receiver (that plugs into the deck) and a transmitter. If anyone is interested, please note that this is a hobby project for me and is liable to take a few weeks. -- Ron > Harshad Khatri wrote: > > Ron, > > What the easiest (read least expensive) way to procure/make a remote > "receiver". I own a ZX7 and am assuming that the .CCF file works with it > too. > > Thanks, > > Harshad > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron [mailto:ra.ah at rcn.com] > Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 6:39 PM > To: NakChatt at yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [NakChatt] Naks and Remotes > > Will be happy to email a .CCF file for the CR-7. It should run > fine on the Pronto -- I am using it with a Marantz RC-5000i > myself. Ignore the ON and OFF buttons (I am using X-10 outlets > to control On/Off) or just remove them. Will do it later > tonight or some time tomorrow. > > -- Ron > > Neale wrote: >> >> Hi all >> >> First time post here.... >> The last 2 years I have gone from a BX-150 via BX-300 to RX-505 >> and now CR7 deck (and latterly added a Revox B215 as well). >> >> The last two decks have remote control options but I have not >> been able to track down a suitable remote (without paying more >> than I did for the decks to start with!!). >> >> Thought a possible solution would be to use a PRONTO learning >> remote instead. With these I can type in the hex codes if I >> can discover what they are!! >> >> Has anyone used a PRONTO with this deck and could therefore >> send me a copy of your .CCF file or mail me the raw hex codes? >> >> I have tried looking at some of the PRONTO resource sites such >> as REMOTE CENTRAL but with no luck...none seems to use the Naks >> with a PRONTO!! >> >> Any help appreciated, >> >> Thanks, Neale >> >> From m.pelikan at worldnet.att.net Sat May 10 16:56:37 2003 From: m.pelikan at worldnet.att.net (Michael P. Pelikan) Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 10:56:37 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] TO In-Reply-To: <20030509173212.E6BE6114998@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: Hi all - Thanks for the responses! Yes - I should have said that I was recording at -20 on the meters. I appeciate larning that the Nak meters don't have flat enough response to use this way. I assumed they did because when viewing input their reading didn't shift as I went from 10 khz to 15 khz. I do have a reasonably good meter - not a vtvm but a multimeter with an FET input (so as to lower impedance). I guess I'd better look into the correct procedure. Thanks again for the replies1 Michael Pelikan State College, PA -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of kannan_s at vsnl.com Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 1:32 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] TO First of all the meter themselves are not accurate and should not be used for freq response measurements. Secondly cassette decks response is measured at -20dB ( ref 0dB 400HZ is actually 200 Nanoweber per Meter square magnetic flux level on Tape!) So decent calibration tools including 400Hz level tape of Nakamichi is essential to calibrate the voltage level ( using VTVM or good bandwidth DMM ) and not Nak/ meter. Also Naks meters are far off from accurate at -20dB. And 20 Khz they will hardly react to -30 dB! And if you try to record 10Khz at even -3 dB your tape may not record any of it at all even on a metal tape. Good Naks have produced 20KHz at -10dB which is considered very severe on most cassette decks! kannan marcdenis at iquebec.com wrote At 08:00 2003/05/09 -0400, Michael Pelikan wrote: >And while we're here - what can account for a 700 that I can't adjust the >bias to achieve flat response at 15khz? Thes best I can get on UDXLII is >about 4 to 5 db down (as judged by the Nak's meters) I believe the meters >have flat response - they show no change when monitoring input when I change >frequencies. The heads are demagnetized and show no visible wear. Can >aging components, especially caps, account for this? It's as if the bias >trim doesn't have enough range to pull off the job. Michael, are you recording at 0 dB or -20 dB VU when doing your tests? Frequency response should be measured at -20 dB. IMHO, a high frequency loss of only 4 or 5 dB at 15 kHz and 0 dB is better than you can reasonably expect, except perhaps when using Metal tape on a compatible deck. ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From m.pelikan at worldnet.att.net Sat May 10 16:56:39 2003 From: m.pelikan at worldnet.att.net (Michael P. Pelikan) Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 10:56:39 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 700 & 700 II board compatible? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi - Very good information - this is what I was hoping to learn - thanks! Michael Pelikan State College, PA -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Marcus Rosén Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 2:15 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700 & 700 II board compatible? I will try to answer abt. board compatibility between the 700 and the 700II. Have had some experience from both versions, even if the 700 is no longer in my house: I traded it with my father for his 550DT! The Dolby, logic, capstan motor governor boards are all the same p/n´s. The rest differs, even if some boards are compatible: The p/b board has slightly different electronics and one connection for the eq. is not the same. The power supply board has more decoupling, but same connections. The main board, front control board and swith board are not the same because of slightly different electronics and functions. Marcus Stockholm, Sweden. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael P. Pelikan" To: Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 4:16 AM Subject: [naktalk] 700 & 700 II board compatible? > Hi - > > Quick question for anyone who knows - What is the level of board > compatibility between the 700 and the 700II? > > Thanks - > > Michael Pelikan > State College, PA > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat May 10 17:19:13 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 11:19:13 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] TO References: Message-ID: <3EBD1871.1955D7D9@rcn.com> Michael, You may be interested to know that FET input meters are functionally equivalent to VTVMs. Many have an input impedance of 11 MOhm and are often referred to as SS VTVM (Solid State Vacuum Tube Volt Meter). -- Ron "Michael P. Pelikan" wrote: > > Hi all - > > Thanks for the responses! Yes - I should have said that I was recording > at -20 on the meters. I appeciate larning that the Nak meters don't have > flat enough response to use this way. I assumed they did because when > viewing input their reading didn't shift as I went from 10 khz to 15 khz. I > do have a reasonably good meter - not a vtvm but a multimeter with an FET > input (so as to lower impedance). I guess I'd better look into the correct > procedure. > > Thanks again for the replies1 > > Michael Pelikan > State College, PA > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of kannan_s at vsnl.com > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 1:32 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] TO > > First of all the meter themselves are not accurate and should not be used > for freq response measurements. Secondly cassette decks response is measured > at -20dB ( ref 0dB 400HZ is actually 200 Nanoweber per Meter square magnetic > flux level on Tape!) So decent calibration tools including 400Hz level tape > of Nakamichi is essential to calibrate the voltage level ( using VTVM or > good bandwidth DMM ) and not Nak/ meter. Also Naks meters are far off from > accurate at -20dB. And 20 Khz they will hardly react to -30 dB! > And if you try to record 10Khz at even -3 dB your tape may not record any of > it at all even on a metal tape. Good Naks have produced 20KHz at -10dB which > is considered very severe on most cassette decks! > kannan > > marcdenis at iquebec.com wrote > At 08:00 2003/05/09 -0400, Michael Pelikan wrote: > >And while we're here - what can account for a 700 that I can't adjust the > >bias to achieve flat response at 15khz? Thes best I can get on UDXLII is > >about 4 to 5 db down (as judged by the Nak's meters) I believe the meters > >have flat response - they show no change when monitoring input when I > change > >frequencies. The heads are demagnetized and show no visible wear. Can > >aging components, especially caps, account for this? It's as if the bias > >trim doesn't have enough range to pull off the job. > > Michael, > > are you recording at 0 dB or -20 dB VU when doing your tests? Frequency > response should be measured at -20 dB. IMHO, a high frequency loss of only > 4 or 5 dB at 15 kHz and 0 dB is better than you can reasonably expect, > except perhaps when using Metal tape on a compatible deck. > From timbarrett at cox.net Sat May 10 17:36:41 2003 From: timbarrett at cox.net (timbarrett at cox.net) Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 11:36:41 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] TO In-Reply-To: <3EBD1871.1955D7D9@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3EBCE449.17746.698761@localhost> Michael- FET input voltmeters may have a high input impedance, but many do not have a good frequency response when measuring AC voltage. Consult the spec sheet for yours. For example, I have a Fluke model 26 hand-held meter and the AC voltage accuracy is specified only between 50Hz and 1kHz. A more expensive Fluke model 45 has specs out to 100kHz with varying degrees of accuracy below 50Hz and above 20kHz. Know the limitations of your meter. I have done a little bit of experimentation with Nak front panel meters and found them to be amazingly trustworthy out to 25 kHz, but that was only a small sample that I tested. Tim On 10 May 2003 at 11:19, Ron wrote: > > Michael, > > You may be interested to know that FET input meters are functionally > equivalent to VTVMs. Many have an input impedance of 11 MOhm and are > often referred to as SS VTVM (Solid State Vacuum Tube Volt Meter). > > -- Ron > > > "Michael P. Pelikan" wrote: > > > > Hi all - > > > > Thanks for the responses! Yes - I should have said that I was > > recording at -20 on the meters. I appeciate larning that the Nak > > meters don't have flat enough response to use this way. I assumed > > they did because when viewing input their reading didn't shift as I > > went from 10 khz to 15 khz. I do have a reasonably good meter - not > > a vtvm but a multimeter with an FET input (so as to lower > > impedance). I guess I'd better look into the correct procedure. > > > > Thanks again for the replies1 > > > > Michael Pelikan > > State College, PA > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of kannan_s at vsnl.com Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 1:32 PM To: > > naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] TO > > > > First of all the meter themselves are not accurate and should not be > > used for freq response measurements. Secondly cassette decks > > response is measured at -20dB ( ref 0dB 400HZ is actually 200 > > Nanoweber per Meter square magnetic flux level on Tape!) So decent > > calibration tools including 400Hz level tape of Nakamichi is > > essential to calibrate the voltage level ( using VTVM or good > > bandwidth DMM ) and not Nak/ meter. Also Naks meters are far off > > from accurate at -20dB. And 20 Khz they will hardly react to -30 > > dB! And if you try to record 10Khz at even -3 dB your tape may not > > record any of it at all even on a metal tape. Good Naks have > > produced 20KHz at -10dB which is considered very severe on most > > cassette decks! kannan > > > > marcdenis at iquebec.com wrote > > At 08:00 2003/05/09 -0400, Michael Pelikan wrote: > > >And while we're here - what can account for a 700 that I can't > > >adjust the bias to achieve flat response at 15khz? Thes best I can > > >get on UDXLII is about 4 to 5 db down (as judged by the Nak's > > >meters) I believe the meters have flat response - they show no > > >change when monitoring input when I > > change > > >frequencies. The heads are demagnetized and show no visible wear. > > >Can aging components, especially caps, account for this? It's as > > >if the bias trim doesn't have enough range to pull off the job. > > > > Michael, > > > > are you recording at 0 dB or -20 dB VU when doing your tests? > > Frequency response should be measured at -20 dB. IMHO, a high > > frequency loss of only 4 or 5 dB at 15 kHz and 0 dB is better than > > you can reasonably expect, except perhaps when using Metal tape on a > > compatible deck. > > > > ========-------------------------------------------------------------- > ----========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========-------------------------------------------------------------- > ----========= From xsm90 at t-online.de Fri May 9 20:01:37 2003 From: xsm90 at t-online.de (Steffi) Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 20:01:37 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Buttons for Dragon Tape Deck Message-ID: Hi there, I am looking for a new Eject and Power button for my beloved Dragon. Any idea where I could get them? Regards Alexander -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon May 12 10:01:51 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 09:01:51 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Buttons for Dragon Tape Deck In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000701c3185c$bf0a7fa0$fd62893e@oemcomputer> Try any of the following: 1.. Nakamichi USA Parts number: 310-392-1155 2.. Jeffrey Galin. ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS, www.eslabs.com or eslabs at prodigy.net 3.. Eric Goh: eric at nakamichi.com or egks78 at pacific.net.sg d.. UK repairer for Nakmichi who is: http://www.bowersandwilkins.co.uk/nakamichi/home.htmv e.. TransTec bv, Brugwachter 19, 3034 KD Rotterdam, tel +31-(0)10-4147055, Fax +31-(0)10-4113580, e-mail transtec at transtec.nl If I were you, I'd contact several, or all, of them at the same time as you may find, if the parts are out there, there will be some probably significant variation in costs for the same piece ... remember, what you are asking for is "rare" and that means it may carry a premium price from those potential suppliers who may wish to exploit its rarity value and your need for it! (Right or wrong, that's Capitalism for you!) Nak Brother Stephen Sank might also be worth contacting as it's always possible he may still have the odd part left in stock or a buckshee machine he can cannibalise. (It's worth remembering that some of the service places - Sank, Galin, Goh, B&W or Transtec - may have changing stock as they too will sometimes receive machines that cannot be repaired for want of the necessary critical spares, which can then be stripped of those parts than can be used on other machines. Best of luck with your search ... Graham -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Steffi Sent: 09 May 2003 19:02 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Buttons for Dragon Tape Deck Importance: High Sensitivity: Personal Hi there, I am looking for a new Eject and Power button for my beloved Dragon. Any idea where I could get them? Regards Alexander --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.478 / Virus Database: 275 - Release Date: 06/05/03 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Logos und Klingeltöne fürs Handy bei http://sms.yahoo.de From khmerideth at anderson.edu Mon May 12 15:23:44 2003 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 08:23:44 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Highcom II Owners manual? Message-ID: Jens, I tried to send you an attachment of the PDF version of the International version of the HighCom II Owner's Manual, which I think is quite large. If your e-mail account will not support such a large file, let me know. Hope it made through to you. Best regards, Kent Merideth >>> croquetgod at yahoo.com 05/12/03 08:08AM >>> Hello there, does any of the Naktalkers have an Owners' manual of the Highcom II which (s)he could send me by email? I have just bought, however without any documentation. Thanks Jens ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Logos und Klingeltöne fürs Handy bei http://sms.yahoo.de ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon May 12 16:10:55 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 21:10:55 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Highcom II Owners manual? References: Message-ID: <002001c31890$4e806360$b7199bca@smarzuki> Hi Kent and Jens, Any chance to send a copy to salim at danareksa.com ? BTW do you think this unit is useful in everyday use ? I heard that it's more like dbx compression, which means the tape is unplayable on regular deck, is that true ? I found one for cheap, but not sure I would have any use except for that cool nak meters. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Kent Merideth To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 8:23 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Highcom II Owners manual? Jens, I tried to send you an attachment of the PDF version of the International version of the HighCom II Owner's Manual, which I think is quite large. If your e-mail account will not support such a large file, let me know. Hope it made through to you. Best regards, Kent Merideth >>> croquetgod at yahoo.com 05/12/03 08:08AM >>> Hello there, does any of the Naktalkers have an Owners' manual of the Highcom II which (s)he could send me by email? I have just bought, however without any documentation. Thanks Jens ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! 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In-Reply-To: <20030512130809.97216.qmail@web13501.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20030512135845.50696.qmail@web13508.mail.yahoo.com> Wouter & Kent, thank you very much for your quick help! Jens --- "Jens-M. Arndt" schrieb: > Hello there, > > does any of the Naktalkers have an Owners' manual of > the Highcom II which (s)he could send me by email? > > I have just bought, however without any > documentation. > > Thanks > > Jens > > ===== > 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf > Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina > Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in > einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. > Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) > > __________________________________________________________________ > > Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de > Logos und Klingeltöne fürs Handy bei > http://sms.yahoo.de > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Logos und Klingeltöne fürs Handy bei http://sms.yahoo.de From croquetgod at yahoo.com Mon May 12 16:27:31 2003 From: croquetgod at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jens-M.=20Arndt?=) Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 16:27:31 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak Highcom II Owners manual? In-Reply-To: <002001c31890$4e806360$b7199bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <20030512142731.54898.qmail@web13508.mail.yahoo.com> Salim, the manual is on it's way to you. Jens --- Salim Marzuki schrieb: > > Hi Kent and Jens, > > Any chance to send a copy to salim at danareksa.com ? > > BTW do you think this unit is useful in everyday use > ? I heard that it's > more like dbx compression, which means the tape is > unplayable on regular > deck, is that true ? > > I found one for cheap, but not sure I would have any > use except for that > cool nak meters. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kent Merideth > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 8:23 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Highcom II Owners manual? > > > Jens, > > I tried to send you an attachment of the PDF version > of the International > version of the HighCom II Owner's Manual, which I > think is quite large. If > your e-mail account will not support such a large > file, let me know. Hope > it made through to you. > > Best regards, > > Kent Merideth > > > >>> croquetgod at yahoo.com 05/12/03 08:08AM >>> > Hello there, > > does any of the Naktalkers have an Owners' manual of > the Highcom II which (s)he could send me by email? > > I have just bought, however without any > documentation. > > Thanks > > Jens > > ===== > 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf > Beatles oder Stones, man > steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia > Loren. Beides hat in > einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. > Pauli und HSV.' (Harry > Rowohlt) > > __________________________________________________________________ > > Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de > Logos und Klingeltöne fürs Handy bei > http://sms.yahoo.de > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Logos und Klingeltöne fürs Handy bei http://sms.yahoo.de From croquetgod at yahoo.com Mon May 12 16:39:39 2003 From: croquetgod at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jens-M.=20Arndt?=) Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 16:39:39 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak Highcom II Owners manual? In-Reply-To: <002001c31890$4e806360$b7199bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <20030512143939.92587.qmail@web13505.mail.yahoo.com> --- Salim Marzuki schrieb: > > Hi Kent and Jens, > > Any chance to send a copy to salim at danareksa.com ? done. > > BTW do you think this unit is useful in everyday use > ? I heard that it's > more like dbx compression, which means the tape is > unplayable on regular > deck, is that true ? Since you do require a Highcom II for decoding as well es encoding it is pretty useless if you e.g. just want to make tapes for your car. > I found one for cheap, but not sure I would have any > use except for that > cool nak meters. same with me: the meters are really cool, but I don't know yet whether I will really use it on a regular basis. In order to use the monitor feature of my 3-headed nak I would even require a second unit... However for 81 Euro and no shipping expenses (ebay-seller in the neighbourhood!) it was worth a try. FYG average price reached for Highcomm II on ebay since february 2003 was abt 145 usd per unit. jens > > Best regards, > Salim SM > ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Logos und Klingeltöne fürs Handy bei http://sms.yahoo.de From croquetgod at yahoo.com Mon May 12 22:16:50 2003 From: croquetgod at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jens-M.=20Arndt?=) Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 22:16:50 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Highcom II: Still used? Message-ID: <20030512201650.6937.qmail@web13506.mail.yahoo.com> Hi there, first of all I would like to thank all the naktalkers who have offered to send me an owners manual of the highcomm II by mail! Just as a matter of interest I Is anybody still using a highcomm II (or even a pair) as a noice reduction system on a regular basis? How would you rate highcomm II in comparism to other systems like dolby B, C, S etc...? Jens ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Logos und Klingeltöne fürs Handy bei http://sms.yahoo.de From fidelman at telcel.net.ve Mon May 12 23:07:48 2003 From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman) Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 17:07:48 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Highcom II Owners manual? References: <002001c31890$4e806360$b7199bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <001d01c318ca$958f6910$266423c8@g8nsv> Hey guys!!! Today at a friend's place I found the service manual...if any of you want a copy, I'll do it and send them via regular mail. Just let me know Isy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 10:10 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Highcom II Owners manual? > > Hi Kent and Jens, > > Any chance to send a copy to salim at danareksa.com ? > > BTW do you think this unit is useful in everyday use ? I heard that it's > more like dbx compression, which means the tape is unplayable on regular > deck, is that true ? > > I found one for cheap, but not sure I would have any use except for that > cool nak meters. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kent Merideth > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 8:23 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Highcom II Owners manual? > > > Jens, > > I tried to send you an attachment of the PDF version of the International > version of the HighCom II Owner's Manual, which I think is quite large. If > your e-mail account will not support such a large file, let me know. Hope > it made through to you. > > Best regards, > > Kent Merideth > > > >>> croquetgod at yahoo.com 05/12/03 08:08AM >>> > Hello there, > > does any of the Naktalkers have an Owners' manual of > the Highcom II which (s)he could send me by email? > > I have just bought, however without any documentation. > > Thanks > > Jens > > ===== > 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man > steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in > einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry > Rowohlt) > > __________________________________________________________________ > > Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de > Logos und Klingeltöne fürs Handy bei http://sms.yahoo.de > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > From croquetgod at yahoo.com Mon May 12 23:41:22 2003 From: croquetgod at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jens-M.=20Arndt?=) Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 23:41:22 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak Highcom II Owners manual? In-Reply-To: <001d01c318ca$958f6910$266423c8@g8nsv> Message-ID: <20030512214122.11455.qmail@web13504.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Isy, personally I am happy with the Owner's manual and do not need any service manual but I am sure Wouter will be only too happy to receive a copy for the support site. Jens --- Isy Fidelman schrieb: > Hey guys!!! > Today at a friend's place I found the service > manual...if any of you want a > copy, I'll do it and send them via regular mail. > Just let me know > > Isy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salim Marzuki" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 10:10 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Highcom II Owners manual? > > > > > > Hi Kent and Jens, > > > > Any chance to send a copy to salim at danareksa.com > ? > > > > BTW do you think this unit is useful in everyday > use ? I heard that it's > > more like dbx compression, which means the tape is > unplayable on regular > > deck, is that true ? > > > > I found one for cheap, but not sure I would have > any use except for that > > cool nak meters. > > > > Best regards, > > Salim SM > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Kent Merideth > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 8:23 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Highcom II Owners > manual? > > > > > > Jens, > > > > I tried to send you an attachment of the PDF > version of the International > > version of the HighCom II Owner's Manual, which I > think is quite large. > If > > your e-mail account will not support such a large > file, let me know. Hope > > it made through to you. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Kent Merideth > > > > > > >>> croquetgod at yahoo.com 05/12/03 08:08AM >>> > > Hello there, > > > > does any of the Naktalkers have an Owners' manual > of > > the Highcom II which (s)he could send me by email? > > > > I have just bought, however without any > documentation. > > > > Thanks > > > > Jens > > > > ===== > > 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder > auf Beatles oder Stones, > man > > steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf > Sofia Loren. Beides hat in > > einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. > Pauli und HSV.' (Harry > > Rowohlt) > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > > > > Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de > > Logos und Klingeltöne fürs Handy bei > http://sms.yahoo.de > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Logos und Klingeltöne fürs Handy bei http://sms.yahoo.de From krcrowe at telus.net Tue May 13 00:58:27 2003 From: krcrowe at telus.net (Roger Crowe) Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 16:58:27 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Highcom II: Still used? References: <20030512201650.6937.qmail@web13506.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003501c318da$012d77c0$f9383b8e@ab.hsia.telus.net> Jens, I use a HC II in conjunction with an MR-1 on a regular basis. It is far superior to any form of Dolby I have ever encountered and seems to be roughly equivalent to my dbx 266xl. The HC seems to offer less of a hit in the high frequencies than the various version of the double D entail., Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jens-M. Arndt" To: Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 2:16 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Highcom II: Still used? > Hi there, > > first of all I would like to thank all the naktalkers > who have offered to send me an owners manual of the > highcomm II by mail! > > Just as a matter of interest I > > Is anybody still using a highcomm II (or even a pair) > as a noice reduction system on a regular basis? > > How would you rate highcomm II in comparism to other > systems like dolby B, C, S etc...? > > > Jens > > ===== > 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) > > __________________________________________________________________ > > Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de > Logos und Klingeltöne fürs Handy bei http://sms.yahoo.de > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue May 13 01:02:40 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 19:02:40 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Highcom II Owners manual? References: <001d01c318ca$958f6910$266423c8@g8nsv> Message-ID: <3EC02810.EC2A0DAE@rcn.com> Isy, If you're scanning it anyway, I'll appreciate a copy via email. TIA, -- Ron Isy Fidelman wrote: > > Hey guys!!! > Today at a friend's place I found the service manual...if any of you want a > copy, I'll do it and send them via regular mail. > Just let me know > > Isy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salim Marzuki" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 10:10 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Highcom II Owners manual? > > > > > Hi Kent and Jens, > > > > Any chance to send a copy to salim at danareksa.com ? > > > > BTW do you think this unit is useful in everyday use ? I heard that it's > > more like dbx compression, which means the tape is unplayable on regular > > deck, is that true ? > > > > I found one for cheap, but not sure I would have any use except for that > > cool nak meters. > > > > Best regards, > > Salim SM > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Kent Merideth > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 8:23 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Highcom II Owners manual? > > > > > > Jens, > > > > I tried to send you an attachment of the PDF version of the International > > version of the HighCom II Owner's Manual, which I think is quite large. > If > > your e-mail account will not support such a large file, let me know. Hope > > it made through to you. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Kent Merideth > > > > > > >>> croquetgod at yahoo.com 05/12/03 08:08AM >>> > > Hello there, > > > > does any of the Naktalkers have an Owners' manual of > > the Highcom II which (s)he could send me by email? > > > > I have just bought, however without any documentation. > > > > Thanks > > > > Jens > > > > ===== > > 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, > man > > steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in > > einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry > > Rowohlt) From matoolz2 at email.msn.com Tue May 13 04:56:58 2003 From: matoolz2 at email.msn.com (matoolz2) Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 22:56:58 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Highcom II Owners manual? References: <20030512214122.11455.qmail@web13504.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002c01c318fb$54426080$7333d543@hppav> Jens, Did you ever get the Nakamichi 600 owner1s manual? If so, any chance of getting a copy? Thanks, Ernie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jens-M. Arndt" To: "Isy Fidelman" ; "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 5:41 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Highcom II Owners manual? > Hi Isy, > > personally I am happy with the Owner's manual and do > not need any service manual but I am sure Wouter will > be only too happy to receive a copy for the support > site. > > Jens > > --- Isy Fidelman schrieb: > > Hey guys!!! > > Today at a friend's place I found the service > > manual...if any of you want a > > copy, I'll do it and send them via regular mail. > > Just let me know > > > > Isy > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Salim Marzuki" > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 10:10 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Highcom II Owners manual? > > > > > > > > > > Hi Kent and Jens, > > > > > > Any chance to send a copy to salim at danareksa.com > > ? > > > > > > BTW do you think this unit is useful in everyday > > use ? I heard that it's > > > more like dbx compression, which means the tape is > > unplayable on regular > > > deck, is that true ? > > > > > > I found one for cheap, but not sure I would have > > any use except for that > > > cool nak meters. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Kent Merideth > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 8:23 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Highcom II Owners > > manual? > > > > > > > > > Jens, > > > > > > I tried to send you an attachment of the PDF > > version of the International > > > version of the HighCom II Owner's Manual, which I > > think is quite large. > > If > > > your e-mail account will not support such a large > > file, let me know. Hope > > > it made through to you. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Kent Merideth > > > > > > > > > >>> croquetgod at yahoo.com 05/12/03 08:08AM >>> > > > Hello there, > > > > > > does any of the Naktalkers have an Owners' manual > > of > > > the Highcom II which (s)he could send me by email? > > > > > > I have just bought, however without any > > documentation. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Jens > > > > > > ===== > > > 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder > > auf Beatles oder Stones, > > man > > > steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf > > Sofia Loren. Beides hat in > > > einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. > > Pauli und HSV.' (Harry > > > Rowohlt) > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de > > > Logos und Klingeltöne fürs Handy bei > > http://sms.yahoo.de > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > Naktalk at naks.com > > mailinglist > > > To maintain your account please go here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > Naktalk at naks.com > > mailinglist > > > To maintain your account please go here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > Naktalk at naks.com > > mailinglist > > > To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > Naktalk at naks.com > > mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ===== > 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) > > __________________________________________________________________ > > Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de > Logos und Klingeltöne fürs Handy bei http://sms.yahoo.de > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From fidelman at telcel.net.ve Tue May 13 07:03:34 2003 From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman) Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 01:03:34 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Highcom II Owners manual? References: <20030512214122.11455.qmail@web13504.mail.yahoo.com> <002c01c318fb$54426080$7333d543@hppav> Message-ID: <001a01c3190d$056e2680$bc6723c8@g8nsv> He has it because he repairs Naks here in Venezuela...the only one I guess I'm gonna ask a friend for a scanner so I can scan both manuals...tons of Nak friends want the High Com II Will try to do it during the weekend Isy ----- Original Message ----- From: "matoolz2" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 10:56 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Highcom II Owners manual? > Jens, > > Did you ever get the Nakamichi 600 owner1s manual? If so, any chance of > getting a copy? > > Thanks, > Ernie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jens-M. Arndt" > To: "Isy Fidelman" ; "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette > Decks" > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 5:41 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Highcom II Owners manual? > > > > Hi Isy, > > > > personally I am happy with the Owner's manual and do > > not need any service manual but I am sure Wouter will > > be only too happy to receive a copy for the support > > site. > > > > Jens > > > > --- Isy Fidelman schrieb: > > > Hey guys!!! > > > Today at a friend's place I found the service > > > manual...if any of you want a > > > copy, I'll do it and send them via regular mail. > > > Just let me know > > > > > > Isy > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Salim Marzuki" > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > > > > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 10:10 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Highcom II Owners manual? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Kent and Jens, > > > > > > > > Any chance to send a copy to salim at danareksa.com > > > ? > > > > > > > > BTW do you think this unit is useful in everyday > > > use ? I heard that it's > > > > more like dbx compression, which means the tape is > > > unplayable on regular > > > > deck, is that true ? > > > > > > > > I found one for cheap, but not sure I would have > > > any use except for that > > > > cool nak meters. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Kent Merideth > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 8:23 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Highcom II Owners > > > manual? > > > > > > > > > > > > Jens, > > > > > > > > I tried to send you an attachment of the PDF > > > version of the International > > > > version of the HighCom II Owner's Manual, which I > > > think is quite large. > > > If > > > > your e-mail account will not support such a large > > > file, let me know. Hope > > > > it made through to you. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > Kent Merideth > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> croquetgod at yahoo.com 05/12/03 08:08AM >>> > > > > Hello there, > > > > > > > > does any of the Naktalkers have an Owners' manual > > > of > > > > the Highcom II which (s)he could send me by email? > > > > > > > > I have just bought, however without any > > > documentation. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Jens > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder > > > auf Beatles oder Stones, > > > man > > > > steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf > > > Sofia Loren. Beides hat in > > > > einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. > > > Pauli und HSV.' (Harry > > > > Rowohlt) > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > Gesendet von Yahoo! 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Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, > man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in > einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry > Rowohlt) > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > > > > Gesendet von Yahoo! 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Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02202001@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Jens. I am the happy owner of two Highcom II units - one for my Rx505 and the other for my BX300. It beats the hell out of any dolby noise reduction and does not suffer the "pumping" effect that DBX does. The unit itself is attractive with those two huge black with blue lamp analog meters, and with two together it is simply awesome. Have fooled many people with the acurate sound quality they produce - but then again the Nakamichi's alone do that anyway. Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Jens-M. Arndt [mailto:croquetgod at yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, 13 May 2003 6:17 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Highcom II: Still used? Hi there, first of all I would like to thank all the naktalkers who have offered to send me an owners manual of the highcomm II by mail! Just as a matter of interest I Is anybody still using a highcomm II (or even a pair) as a noice reduction system on a regular basis? How would you rate highcomm II in comparism to other systems like dolby B, C, S etc...? Jens ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Logos und Klingeltöne fürs Handy bei http://sms.yahoo.de ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Tue May 13 07:51:47 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 15:51:47 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Highcom II Owners manual? Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02202002@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Jens I'd go and buy it at that price. I use two of these at home only for my super-special recordings, and yes the recordings won't sound good on decks that do not decode Highcom II (not quite as bad as DBX - not that I'm against DBX). At least you have a 400Hz test tone generator built in with it, not bad for simple calibration and or reference purposes. Good luck Jens. Tom Siomopoulos. BTW I sent Wouter a scan of the owners manual together with the sales brochure. If the ftp site is down I can e-mail a copy to you or anyone on the list. -----Original Message----- From: Jens-M. Arndt [mailto:croquetgod at yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, 13 May 2003 12:40 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Highcom II Owners manual? --- Salim Marzuki schrieb: > > Hi Kent and Jens, > > Any chance to send a copy to salim at danareksa.com ? done. > > BTW do you think this unit is useful in everyday use > ? I heard that it's > more like dbx compression, which means the tape is > unplayable on regular > deck, is that true ? Since you do require a Highcom II for decoding as well es encoding it is pretty useless if you e.g. just want to make tapes for your car. > I found one for cheap, but not sure I would have any > use except for that > cool nak meters. same with me: the meters are really cool, but I don't know yet whether I will really use it on a regular basis. In order to use the monitor feature of my 3-headed nak I would even require a second unit... However for 81 Euro and no shipping expenses (ebay-seller in the neighbourhood!) it was worth a try. FYG average price reached for Highcomm II on ebay since february 2003 was abt 145 usd per unit. jens > > Best regards, > Salim SM > ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Logos und Klingeltöne fürs Handy bei http://sms.yahoo.de ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From croquetgod at yahoo.com Tue May 13 09:02:37 2003 From: croquetgod at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jens-M.=20Arndt?=) Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 09:02:37 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak Highcom II Owners manual? In-Reply-To: <002c01c318fb$54426080$7333d543@hppav> Message-ID: <20030513070237.74855.qmail@web13504.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Earnie, sofar I have not received the promised copy. Jens --- matoolz2 schrieb: > Jens, > > Did you ever get the Nakamichi 600 owner1s manual? > If so, any chance of > getting a copy? > > Thanks, > Ernie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jens-M. Arndt" > To: "Isy Fidelman" ; "Talk > about Nakamichi Cassette > Decks" > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 5:41 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Highcom II Owners manual? > > > > Hi Isy, > > > > personally I am happy with the Owner's manual and > do > > not need any service manual but I am sure Wouter > will > > be only too happy to receive a copy for the > support > > site. > > > > Jens > > > > --- Isy Fidelman > schrieb: > > > Hey guys!!! > > > Today at a friend's place I found the service > > > manual...if any of you want a > > > copy, I'll do it and send them via regular mail. > > > Just let me know > > > > > > Isy > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Salim Marzuki" > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > > > > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 10:10 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Highcom II Owners > manual? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Kent and Jens, > > > > > > > > Any chance to send a copy to > salim at danareksa.com > > > ? > > > > > > > > BTW do you think this unit is useful in > everyday > > > use ? I heard that it's > > > > more like dbx compression, which means the > tape is > > > unplayable on regular > > > > deck, is that true ? > > > > > > > > I found one for cheap, but not sure I would > have > > > any use except for that > > > > cool nak meters. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Kent Merideth > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 8:23 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Highcom II Owners > > > manual? > > > > > > > > > > > > Jens, > > > > > > > > I tried to send you an attachment of the PDF > > > version of the International > > > > version of the HighCom II Owner's Manual, > which I > > > think is quite large. > > > If > > > > your e-mail account will not support such a > large > > > file, let me know. Hope > > > > it made through to you. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > Kent Merideth > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> croquetgod at yahoo.com 05/12/03 08:08AM >>> > > > > Hello there, > > > > > > > > does any of the Naktalkers have an Owners' > manual > > > of > > > > the Highcom II which (s)he could send me by > email? > > > > > > > > I have just bought, however without any > > > documentation. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Jens > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht > entweder > > > auf Beatles oder Stones, > > > man > > > > steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf > > > Sofia Loren. Beides hat in > > > > einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie > St. > > > Pauli und HSV.' (Harry > > > > Rowohlt) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - > http://mail.yahoo.de > > > > Logos und Klingeltöne fürs Handy bei > > > http://sms.yahoo.de > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com > > > mailinglist > > > > To maintain your account please go here: > > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com > > > mailinglist > > > > To maintain your account please go here: > > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com > > > mailinglist > > > > To maintain your account please go here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > Naktalk at naks.com > > > mailinglist > > > To maintain your account please go here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ===== > > 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder > auf Beatles oder Stones, > === message truncated === ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Logos und Klingeltöne fürs Handy bei http://sms.yahoo.de From croquetgod at yahoo.com Tue May 13 09:09:46 2003 From: croquetgod at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jens-M.=20Arndt?=) Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 09:09:46 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak Highcom II Owners manual? In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02202002@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <20030513070946.76076.qmail@web13504.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Tom, I paid 81 euro (abt 95 usd) in total. the highcom II seems to be in excellent condition - I have calibrated the system but not made any recordings yet - apart from the usual scratches on top.. I fear I will finally have to buy a second unit.... Have a nice day! Jens --- Thomas Siomopoulos schrieb: > Jens I'd go and buy it at that price. I use two of > these at home only for my > super-special recordings, and yes the recordings > won't sound good on decks > that do not decode Highcom II (not quite as bad as > DBX - not that I'm > against DBX). At least you have a 400Hz test tone > generator built in with > it, not bad for simple calibration and or reference > purposes. > > Good luck Jens. > > Tom Siomopoulos. > > BTW I sent Wouter a scan of the owners manual > together with the > sales brochure. If the ftp site is down I can e-mail > a copy to you or anyone > on the list. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jens-M. Arndt [mailto:croquetgod at yahoo.com] > Sent: Tuesday, 13 May 2003 12:40 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Highcom II Owners manual? > > > --- Salim Marzuki schrieb: > > > > > Hi Kent and Jens, > > > > Any chance to send a copy to salim at danareksa.com > ? > > done. > > > > > BTW do you think this unit is useful in everyday > use > > ? I heard that it's > > more like dbx compression, which means the tape is > > unplayable on regular > > deck, is that true ? > > Since you do require a Highcom II for decoding as > well > es encoding it is pretty useless if you e.g. just > want > to make tapes for your car. > > > > I found one for cheap, but not sure I would have > any > > use except for that > > cool nak meters. > > same with me: the meters are really cool, but I > don't > know yet whether I will really use it on a regular > basis. In order to use the monitor feature of my > 3-headed nak I would even require a second unit... > > However for 81 Euro and no shipping expenses > (ebay-seller in the neighbourhood!) it was worth a > try. FYG average price reached for Highcomm II on > ebay > since february 2003 was abt 145 usd per unit. > > jens > > > > Best regards, > > Salim SM > > > > ===== > 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf > Beatles oder Stones, man > steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia > Loren. Beides hat in > einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. > Pauli und HSV.' (Harry > Rowohlt) > > __________________________________________________________________ > > Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de > Logos und Klingeltöne fürs Handy bei > http://sms.yahoo.de > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Logos und Klingeltöne fürs Handy bei http://sms.yahoo.de From wheijke at xs4all.nl Tue May 13 09:18:17 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 09:18:17 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Highcom II: Still used? In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02202001@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com. au> References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02202001@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com. au> Message-ID: <19626.212.78.179.234.1052810297.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> As I recall right you can use the 'b' release of the HighComII unit buy itself to record and playback, the 'a' release can't do this (misses a switch) so for that unit you would need two HC units to record and playback. I can only agree with you Tom, have made some great recordings with my HC units beating my NR200 and DBX units in accuracy and soundstage! Right now i must admit to use my HC in my system for it's meters.... gives me something to look at when i play a cd ;-) Wouter > Hi Jens. I am the happy owner of two Highcom II units - one for my Rx505 > and > the other for my BX300. It beats the hell out of any dolby noise reduction > and does not suffer the "pumping" effect that DBX does. The unit itself is > attractive with those two huge black with blue lamp analog meters, and > with > two together it is simply awesome. Have fooled many people with the > acurate > sound quality they produce - but then again the Nakamichi's alone do that > anyway. > > Tom Siomopoulos. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jens-M. Arndt [mailto:croquetgod at yahoo.com] > Sent: Tuesday, 13 May 2003 6:17 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Highcom II: Still used? > > > Hi there, > > first of all I would like to thank all the naktalkers > who have offered to send me an owners manual of the > highcomm II by mail! > > Just as a matter of interest I > > Is anybody still using a highcomm II (or even a pair) > as a noice reduction system on a regular basis? > > How would you rate highcomm II in comparism to other > systems like dolby B, C, S etc...? > > > Jens > > ===== > 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, > man > steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in > einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry > Rowohlt) > > __________________________________________________________________ > > Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de > Logos und Klingeltöne fürs Handy bei http://sms.yahoo.de > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > From hifiman at dsl.pipex.com Tue May 13 10:23:09 2003 From: hifiman at dsl.pipex.com (Hifiman) Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 09:23:09 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Highcom II: Still used? In-Reply-To: <19626.212.78.179.234.1052810297.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: Is that really the difference between a & b releases of the High Com II? i.e. you can use the b release for off tape monitoring while recording from source...anyone used the b model? Neale -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Wouter Heijke Sent: 13 May 2003 08:18 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi Highcom II: Still used? As I recall right you can use the 'b' release of the HighComII unit buy itself to record and playback, the 'a' release can't do this (misses a switch) so for that unit you would need two HC units to record and playback. I can only agree with you Tom, have made some great recordings with my HC units beating my NR200 and DBX units in accuracy and soundstage! Right now i must admit to use my HC in my system for it's meters.... gives me something to look at when i play a cd ;-) Wouter > Hi Jens. I am the happy owner of two Highcom II units - one for my Rx505 > and > the other for my BX300. It beats the hell out of any dolby noise reduction > and does not suffer the "pumping" effect that DBX does. The unit itself is > attractive with those two huge black with blue lamp analog meters, and > with > two together it is simply awesome. Have fooled many people with the > acurate > sound quality they produce - but then again the Nakamichi's alone do that > anyway. > > Tom Siomopoulos. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jens-M. Arndt [mailto:croquetgod at yahoo.com] > Sent: Tuesday, 13 May 2003 6:17 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Highcom II: Still used? > > > Hi there, > > first of all I would like to thank all the naktalkers > who have offered to send me an owners manual of the > highcomm II by mail! > > Just as a matter of interest I > > Is anybody still using a highcomm II (or even a pair) > as a noice reduction system on a regular basis? > > How would you rate highcomm II in comparism to other > systems like dolby B, C, S etc...? > > > Jens > > ===== > 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, > man > steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in > einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry > Rowohlt) > > __________________________________________________________________ > > Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de > Logos und Klingeltöne fürs Handy bei http://sms.yahoo.de > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Tue May 13 12:44:40 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 20:44:40 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Highcom II: Still used? Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02202006@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> I have both the A & B release of the highcom II, the only noticeable difference is that the A release does not have the Highcom II disc feature which meant that you can use specially encoded Highcom II records (like DBX disc). Other than that the units are identical. Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Hifiman [mailto:hifiman at dsl.pipex.com] Sent: Tuesday, 13 May 2003 6:23 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi Highcom II: Still used? Is that really the difference between a & b releases of the High Com II? i.e. you can use the b release for off tape monitoring while recording from source...anyone used the b model? Neale -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Wouter Heijke Sent: 13 May 2003 08:18 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi Highcom II: Still used? As I recall right you can use the 'b' release of the HighComII unit buy itself to record and playback, the 'a' release can't do this (misses a switch) so for that unit you would need two HC units to record and playback. I can only agree with you Tom, have made some great recordings with my HC units beating my NR200 and DBX units in accuracy and soundstage! Right now i must admit to use my HC in my system for it's meters.... gives me something to look at when i play a cd ;-) Wouter > Hi Jens. I am the happy owner of two Highcom II units - one for my Rx505 > and > the other for my BX300. It beats the hell out of any dolby noise reduction > and does not suffer the "pumping" effect that DBX does. The unit itself is > attractive with those two huge black with blue lamp analog meters, and > with > two together it is simply awesome. Have fooled many people with the > acurate > sound quality they produce - but then again the Nakamichi's alone do that > anyway. > > Tom Siomopoulos. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jens-M. Arndt [mailto:croquetgod at yahoo.com] > Sent: Tuesday, 13 May 2003 6:17 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Highcom II: Still used? > > > Hi there, > > first of all I would like to thank all the naktalkers > who have offered to send me an owners manual of the > highcomm II by mail! > > Just as a matter of interest I > > Is anybody still using a highcomm II (or even a pair) > as a noice reduction system on a regular basis? > > How would you rate highcomm II in comparism to other > systems like dolby B, C, S etc...? > > > Jens > > ===== > 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, > man > steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in > einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry > Rowohlt) > > __________________________________________________________________ > > Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de > Logos und Klingeltöne fürs Handy bei http://sms.yahoo.de > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Tue May 13 12:50:09 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 20:50:09 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Highcom II Owners manual? Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02202007@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Every once in a while there is a seller in Australia who has a small stash of Highcom II units - some working and some not. I paid only $45 dollars Australian, however, the unit would not turn on. It turns out that the transformer was dead, and a 8 dollar replacement did the trick. I'll keep my eye open for highcom II units here in Australia and let everyone know, if anyone is interested then let me know because the seller got the unit from only wants to sell in Australia, I'll help by bidding for the unit. Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Jens-M. Arndt [mailto:croquetgod at yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, 13 May 2003 5:10 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak Highcom II Owners manual? Hi Tom, I paid 81 euro (abt 95 usd) in total. the highcom II seems to be in excellent condition - I have calibrated the system but not made any recordings yet - apart from the usual scratches on top.. I fear I will finally have to buy a second unit.... Have a nice day! Jens --- Thomas Siomopoulos schrieb: > Jens I'd go and buy it at that price. I use two of > these at home only for my > super-special recordings, and yes the recordings > won't sound good on decks > that do not decode Highcom II (not quite as bad as > DBX - not that I'm > against DBX). At least you have a 400Hz test tone > generator built in with > it, not bad for simple calibration and or reference > purposes. > > Good luck Jens. > > Tom Siomopoulos. > > BTW I sent Wouter a scan of the owners manual > together with the > sales brochure. If the ftp site is down I can e-mail > a copy to you or anyone > on the list. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jens-M. Arndt [mailto:croquetgod at yahoo.com] > Sent: Tuesday, 13 May 2003 12:40 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Highcom II Owners manual? > > > --- Salim Marzuki schrieb: > > > > > Hi Kent and Jens, > > > > Any chance to send a copy to salim at danareksa.com > ? > > done. > > > > > BTW do you think this unit is useful in everyday > use > > ? I heard that it's > > more like dbx compression, which means the tape is > > unplayable on regular > > deck, is that true ? > > Since you do require a Highcom II for decoding as > well > es encoding it is pretty useless if you e.g. just > want > to make tapes for your car. > > > > I found one for cheap, but not sure I would have > any > > use except for that > > cool nak meters. > > same with me: the meters are really cool, but I > don't > know yet whether I will really use it on a regular > basis. In order to use the monitor feature of my > 3-headed nak I would even require a second unit... > > However for 81 Euro and no shipping expenses > (ebay-seller in the neighbourhood!) it was worth a > try. FYG average price reached for Highcomm II on > ebay > since february 2003 was abt 145 usd per unit. > > jens > > > > Best regards, > > Salim SM > > > > ===== > 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf > Beatles oder Stones, man > steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia > Loren. Beides hat in > einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. > Pauli und HSV.' (Harry > Rowohlt) > > __________________________________________________________________ > > Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de > Logos und Klingeltöne fürs Handy bei > http://sms.yahoo.de > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Logos und Klingeltöne fürs Handy bei http://sms.yahoo.de ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From BADANTH at aol.com Tue May 13 23:00:30 2003 From: BADANTH at aol.com (BADANTH at aol.com) Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 17:00:30 EDT Subject: [naktalk] More Trouble Message-ID: <14d.1f2ca2bd.2bf2b6ee@aol.com> > Well, I got the deck to let me eject the tape and the buttons are now > functioning properly. I still am having the slow speed problem though. I > did what Kannan said to do and everything seems fine. The copper leafs are > working and the motor is going. I couldn't find any loose wire or solder > points either. I did find out that my son sprayed some tuner control > cleaner into the counter mechanism to try and get it to work. I'm wondering > if this could have caused some slippage with the belt and be causing the > slow speed, what do you think? > > As for being handy with tools, I am. This is the first time I have ever > taken apart a tape deck though. It's actually kind of interesting seeing > how things work etc.. The reason I purchased this CR1 deck was because of > the cheap price I paid and the Nakamichi heritage. I wouldn't mind trying > to fix it myself if someone gave me directions on what to do, is this what > you have in mind? > > Thanks, > Anthony > Ok, I just got back from out of town and tried the tape again and it's still playing slow. I guess it wasn't the lubricant because everything seems dry. What would you suggest I do next? As I stated before I am handy with tools and don't mind fiddling with it. Thanks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Wed May 14 01:14:31 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 04:44:31 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] More Trouble Message-ID: <20030513231431.6C72C114913@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From BADANTH at aol.com Wed May 14 16:11:34 2003 From: BADANTH at aol.com (BADANTH at aol.com) Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 10:11:34 EDT Subject: [naktalk] More Trouble Message-ID: <1c7.9a95cbf.2bf3a896@aol.com> The tape is much slower than normal. I tried the adjustment and while it made it faster, the problem was still there. It sounds like it's "drunk" for lack of a better word. How do I tell if my belt is alright? It appears ok, not cracking or severely worn out. Also, how can I tell if my capstan motor is slipping? Thanks again for your help, Anthony -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Wed May 14 20:23:45 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 23:53:45 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] More Trouble Message-ID: <20030514182345.441A2114B57@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed May 14 21:00:21 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 15:00:21 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] More Trouble References: <20030514182345.441A2114B57@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <3EC29245.970BA213@rcn.com> Another possibility, especially if slow speed is accompanied by elevated wow (the tape sounds 'drunk'???) is dirty and/or seized capstan bearings. The remedy is to lift the oil retaining washers at the base of the capstans and apply some light machine oil to the bearing, all the while moving the capstan up and don in the bearing. Wait a while and repeat a couple of times, since the bearing may soak up some of the oil. Then, push the washes back down and follow with a very thorough cleaning of the capstans and pinch rollers. -- Ron kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > > I think your Capstan shaft is not in good contact with your pinch rollar or the belt is too loose _ It may not be crtacked or dry - the capstan motor belt should sit tightly on the capstan flywheel If you can remove the cover with the Capstan motor by removing the three screws the belt will come loose. In stop position hold the flywheel and try pushing the belt and if it slides then the belt is to be replaced. > Sometimes ( I am not able to recall whether you bought this machine recently from some seller?) people replace the belts without realizing the importance of Original nak belts. If you find your belt is not tight enough - you will find symptoms like this. If you cannot contact and get a belt from Nak parts - Patty, then remove the belt and try getting some flat replacement belts from local electronics store of shorter length ( I find Fry' electronics has plenty of such stuff or order it from MCM which may be expansive and dyou will not be able to compare that against your current belt)- by selecting slightly shorter and if possible wider belt and replacing them. And also if you are willing to pay a good price - Geff of ESLABS should be having replacement belts and I feel it is worth paying for the correct replacement. > Wish you good luck > If you are really desperate and not able to get a replacement from Fry's- give me some time I will try some replacement from my BX125 which has similar mechanism. Be warned about time required for me to get it and send it. > Kannan > > BADANTH at aol.com > wrote > The tape is much slower than normal. I tried the adjustment and while it made > it faster, the problem was still there. It sounds like it's "drunk" for lack > of a better word. How do I tell if my belt is alright? It appears ok, not > cracking or severely worn out. Also, how can I tell if my capstan motor is > slipping? > > Thanks again for your help, > Anthony From matoolz2 at email.msn.com Wed May 14 23:29:39 2003 From: matoolz2 at email.msn.com (matoolz2) Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 17:29:39 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] problems with Nakamichi 600 Message-ID: <001901c31a5f$f01f3c20$20e91c3f@hppav> I just purchased 2 Nakamichi 600s about a month ago and one of them is giving me some problems. I shipped it to someone a couple of weeks ago to repair it and he cleaned, demagnetized, replaced the belts and gave it an overhaul as well as repairing the issue I was having with it at the time (which is unrelated to the issue I am having now so I won`t go into that). I got it back and it played flawlessly for 2 days. I put a tape in it today and when I hit the PLAY button it just set there (the spindles did`nt move). I hit FAST FORWARD and also notghing. I hit REWIND and it moved slightly, so I hit PLAY again and it played the tape. I put another tape in and now it won`t move at all regardless of which button I push. I took the tape out and pushed the buttons and the spindles do not turn. Any ideas? I am not very handy at electronics repairs unless it is simple and I have detailed info as far as how to go about. If anybody has any ideas please be as detailed as possible. Any assistance would be appreciated. I have e-mailed the guy that worked on it but hopefully it is something simple so that I don`t have to ship it back out to him. Ernie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu May 15 00:01:16 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 18:01:16 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] More Trouble References: <20030513231431.6C72C114913@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <3EC2BCAC.1A3376E1@rcn.com> Another possibility, especially if slow speed is accompanied by elevated wow (the tape sounds 'drunk'???) is dirty and/or seized capstan bearings. The remedy is to lift the oil retaining washers at the base of the capstans and apply some light machine oil to the bearing, all the while moving the capstan up and down in the bearing. Wait a while and repeat a couple of times, since the bearing may soak up some of the oil. Then, push the washers back against the bearing and follow with a very thorough cleaning of the capstans and pinch rollers. -- Ron kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > > Is your CR1 goes slightly slower than normal speed which is audible or is it playing much slower than you generally expect? > One cause could be capstan motor connecting the capstan pully may be slipping. However if the speed is just short of playing correctly - you can adjust the speed of Capstan drive motor through a small hole at the back of the motor visible to you. You will find a black felt pad covering the hole and you need small flat screw driver- insert it in to this hole and feel the preset pot(entionmeter) and turn it to change the speed. This works provided your belt is allright > Hope this helps > Kannan > > BADANTH at aol.com > wrote > > > Well, I got the deck to let me eject the tape and the buttons are now > > functioning properly. I still am having the slow speed problem though. I > > did what Kannan said to do and everything seems fine. The copper leafs are > > working and the motor is going. I couldn't find any loose wire or solder > > points either. I did find out that my son sprayed some tuner control > > cleaner into the counter mechanism to try and get it to work. I'm wondering > > if this could have caused some slippage with the belt and be causing the > > slow speed, what do you think? > > > > As for being handy with tools, I am. This is the first time I have ever > > taken apart a tape deck though. It's actually kind of interesting seeing > > how things work etc.. The reason I purchased this CR1 deck was because of > > the cheap price I paid and the Nakamichi heritage. I wouldn't mind trying > > to fix it myself if someone gave me directions on what to do, is this what > > you have in mind? > > > > Thanks, > > Anthony > > > > Ok, I just got back from out of town and tried the tape again and it's still > playing slow. I guess it wasn't the lubricant because everything seems dry. > What would you suggest I do next? As I stated before I am handy with tools > and don't mind fiddling with it. Thanks > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From BADANTH at aol.com Thu May 15 00:55:33 2003 From: BADANTH at aol.com (BADANTH at aol.com) Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 18:55:33 EDT Subject: [naktalk] RE: More Trouble Message-ID: Ok, first of all I oiled the capstan bearing like Ron said and it did help. I still think I hear it slow down ever so slightly occasionally though. I've checked the contact of the capstan shaft with the pinch roller and it seems to be good. I pressed down on the roller which wasn't that easily pushed and it sprung right back. Is there anything else I should check with this roller? When I checked the belt for slippage it did slip when I pushed and holding the flywheel. I'm hoping that a new belt will cure the problem. Next I'll try searching for a replacement and if Kannon finds his before I do I'll take him up on the offer. ;>) Thanks again,  Anthony -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Thu May 15 01:27:06 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 04:57:06 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] RE: More Trouble Message-ID: <20030514232706.B0037114919@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From BADANTH at aol.com Thu May 15 01:36:05 2003 From: BADANTH at aol.com (BADANTH at aol.com) Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 19:36:05 EDT Subject: [naktalk] RE: More Trouble Message-ID: <10c.23fdc683.2bf42ce5@aol.com> Ok, Kannan I'll give her a try. Thanks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ad.i at wanadoo.fr Thu May 15 10:37:04 2003 From: ad.i at wanadoo.fr (Adrien F.) Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 9:37:4 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Manual Message-ID: <20030515073752.0AA3634000B8@mwinf0601.wanadoo.fr> How I can give you a new manual? It's a pdf files made by me with adobe acrobat. It's the Nak's Recording Guide, language is french. But I need the Nak 550 service manual because I have a big problem with the output. Thank you very much, Adrien FAUTRAT, France. From Jo2jo64 at aol.com Fri May 16 01:24:48 2003 From: Jo2jo64 at aol.com (Jo2jo64 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 19:24:48 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nak 730 receiver Message-ID: <1d1.9a1690f.2bf57bc0@aol.com> Hi everyone: I have the Nak 730 receiver. It needs cleaning and replacement of some light bulbs. Does anyone know if Nakamichi still does repair some on these units. I know of a couple of dealers that want to do restoration at an incredible cost. Not for me. I am not building a piramid! I bought the service manual but I cannot venture to take it apart. Any information will be appreciated. Jose Cigno Levittown, PA. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Fri May 16 07:43:11 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 15:43:11 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 680ZX Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0220200B@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi all, hope everyone is well. I've just purchased a mint 680ZX from e-bay in Oz for $250 Australian and wanted to know is there anything I should look for in terms of problems, apart from the typical "orange cap desease". Any info is appreciated. Regards, Tom Siomopoulos. From BADANTH at aol.com Fri May 16 21:37:08 2003 From: BADANTH at aol.com (BADANTH at aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 15:37:08 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Cr7a Purchase Questions Message-ID: <16.3037a924.2bf697e4@aol.com> I'm having so much fun fiddling with my first Nak deck that I've started searching for another. I've come across an early model that has not had the gear or EQ upgrades and I have a few questions. Since I've never seen or heard these decks before I wondered if these things were normal? First the master fade ^ is lit unless I change the fading controls is this normal? Also, I've noticed that both capstans start moving when the unit is powered up unlike my other deck which stays stopped until a button is pushed, is this normal? I've checked all of the features and they seem to work properly but the deck makes a slight high pitched whine when powered up, what could this be? Any other things I should look for before making the purchase? Also, I've already checked on pricing to do the upgrades and have found that it can be quite expensive if it needs alot of work. What can I expect to pay for something in this condition and how much should I plan on putting into it? What is a fully reconditioned one worth? Sorry for all the questions but I'm really getting into analog again and it's the most fun I've had in awhile! ;>) Thanks for any help you can lend, Anthony -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri May 16 23:01:25 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 17:01:25 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Cr7a Purchase Questions References: <16.3037a924.2bf697e4@aol.com> Message-ID: <3EC551A5.5C01ED0A@rcn.com> BADANTH at aol.com wrote: > > I'm having so much fun fiddling with my first Nak deck that I've started > searching for another. I've come across an early model that has not had the > gear or EQ upgrades and I have a few questions. Since I've never seen or > heard these decks before I wondered if these things were normal? > > First the master fade ^ is lit unless I change the fading controls is this > normal? The Fade ^ light is supposed to be lit at all times when the fader circuit is fully on; so, yes, this is normal. When you switch the deck on, the Fade v will be lit. It will immediately start to dim, as the Fade ^ starts to light. The Fade ^ will stay lit until you press Fade v. > I've noticed that both capstans start moving when the unit is > powered up unlike my other deck which stays stopped until a button is > pushed, is this normal? Yep. The capstan motor runs as long as the deck is on. Which is good reason not to leave it on for hours on end, for no reason. > I've checked all of the features and they seem to > work properly but the deck makes a slight high pitched whine when powered > up, what could this be? Any other things I should look for before making the > purchase? > > Also, I've already checked on pricing to do the upgrades and have found that > it can be quite expensive if it needs alot of work. What can I expect to pay > for something in this condition and how much should I plan on putting into > it? What is a fully reconditioned one worth? CR-7s go for anywhere from about $350 to about $900 or even a grand. Obviously, age, cosmetics, condition and presence (or lack of) upgrades affect price. Difficult to evaluate without peeking under the hood. The remote should be included, but sometimes isn't -- this affects price, too. Even the original box and manual affect price. -- Ron > Sorry for all the questions but > I'm really getting into analog again and it's the most fun I've had in > awhile! ;>) > > Thanks for any help you can lend, > Anthony From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Sat May 17 00:27:12 2003 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 22:27:12 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Cr7a Purchase Questions Message-ID: Hi, The CR-7 is a great machine, the current prices can be seen on Naks.com prices page as it has recently been updated after a lot of work and effort by a fellow Naktalk member. I am sure the others who are more expert than me will give you more comprehensive answers, but the simpler ones that I can answer are: Yes, the master fader up light is always on when the deck is on. In all dual capstan decks the capstans are supposed to be on when the deck is on so this is normal. If you find the gear upgrade a bit pricey, try to do-it-yourself when you order the parts. Alternatively just stick to the original rubber idler and clean it every year or so. You may want to get the CR-7 serviced anyway to make sure it is performing at it's glorious best. I think if everything is working more or less as it should be the auto calibration process should function properly. If the auto calibrate doesn't work with all 3 tape types then it's definitely service time! Have fun! _________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From marcdenis at iquebec.com Sat May 17 00:35:46 2003 From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis) Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 18:35:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Cr7a Purchase Questions In-Reply-To: <3EC551A5.5C01ED0A@rcn.com> References: <16.3037a924.2bf697e4@aol.com> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20030516183305.029f1f00@pop.iquebec.com> At 17:01 2003/05/16 -0400, you wrote: > > I've noticed that both capstans start moving when the unit is > > powered up unlike my other deck which stays stopped until a button is > > pushed, is this normal? > >Yep. The capstan motor runs as long as the deck is on. Which is >good reason not to leave it on for hours on end, for no reason. So true. Many people burned the capstan motor of their CassetteDeck2 because they were powering up their whole system through the Receiver's remote control. The deck would stay on needlessly while listening to CD or the radio causing the capstan motor to wear prematurely. From BADANTH at aol.com Sat May 17 01:07:52 2003 From: BADANTH at aol.com (BADANTH at aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 19:07:52 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Cr7a Purchase Questions Message-ID: <54.1177f418.2bf6c948@aol.com> Yes, I've seen the current pricing listed but I was interested in a restored price to see if it's worth it to me. Depending on what the seller will take, I may just have to live without the upgrades for awhile. Also, I'm glad those other things are normal. I didn't know what to expect when I checked it out. As for the whine I can only here it when I'm near the deck and it goes away shortly after start up. Are there any other things I should check before I make my offer? Thanks, Anthony -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat May 17 01:35:36 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 19:35:36 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Cr7a Purchase Questions References: <16.3037a924.2bf697e4@aol.com> Message-ID: <3EC575C8.704E18B0@rcn.com> BADANTH at aol.com wrote: > > I'm having so much fun fiddling with my first Nak deck that I've started > searching for another. I've come across an early model that has not had the > gear or EQ upgrades and I have a few questions. Since I've never seen or > heard these decks before I wondered if these things were normal? > > First the master fade ^ is lit unless I change the fading controls is this > normal? The Fade ^ light is supposed to be lit at all times when the fader circuit is fully on; so, yes, this is normal. When you switch the deck on, the Fade v will be lit. It will immediately start to dim, as the Fade ^ starts to light. The Fade ^ will stay lit until you press Fade v. > I've noticed that both capstans start moving when the unit is > powered up unlike my other deck which stays stopped until a button is > pushed, is this normal? Yep. The capstan motor runs as long as the deck is on. Which is good reason not to leave it on for hours on end, for no reason. > I've checked all of the features and they seem to > work properly but the deck makes a slight high pitched whine when powered > up, what could this be? Any other things I should look for before making the > purchase? > > Also, I've already checked on pricing to do the upgrades and have found that > it can be quite expensive if it needs alot of work. What can I expect to pay > for something in this condition and how much should I plan on putting into > it? What is a fully reconditioned one worth? CR-7s go for anywhere from about $350 to about $900 or even a grand. Obviously, age, cosmetics, condition and presence (or lack of) upgrades affect price. Difficult to evaluate without peeking under the hood. The remote should be included, but sometimes isn't -- this affects price, too. Even the original box and manual affect price. -- Ron > Sorry for all the questions but > I'm really getting into analog again and it's the most fun I've had in > awhile! ;>) > > Thanks for any help you can lend, > Anthony From nelson3.freeserve.co.uk at pop.pol.net.uk Wed May 14 16:48:56 2003 From: nelson3.freeserve.co.uk at pop.pol.net.uk (nelson3.freeserve.co.uk@pop3.freeserve.com) Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 10:48:56 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] More Trouble Message-ID: <63340-220035314144856459@M2W044.mail2web.com> This sounds suspiciously like the belt is slipping. My advice would be to change the belt anyway (the cheapest option!) and, if that doesn't cure the problem you'll at least have a useful spare belt in hand for when it DOES need replacing. Graham Original Message: ----------------- From: BADANTH at aol.com Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 10:11:34 EDT To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] More Trouble The tape is much slower than normal. I tried the adjustment and while it made it faster, the problem was still there. It sounds like it's "drunk" for lack of a better word. How do I tell if my belt is alright? It appears ok, not cracking or severely worn out. Also, how can I tell if my capstan motor is slipping? Thanks again for your help, Anthony -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat May 17 15:25:45 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 14:25:45 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Any Nak brothers out there living near Hanau in Germany? In-Reply-To: <3EC575C8.704E18B0@rcn.com> Message-ID: <000d01c31c77$d2492200$6d70893e@oemcomputer> Any Nak brothers out there living near Hanau in Germany? There's an item on eBay I'd like to bid for that requires collection; so, I need someone to take delivery and send on to me in the UK. Please reply off list. Thanks Graham --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.478 / Virus Database: 275 - Release Date: 06/05/03 From britri at pacbell.net Sat May 17 06:10:08 2003 From: britri at pacbell.net (Brian Stocker) Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 21:10:08 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 730 receiver References: <1d1.9a1690f.2bf57bc0@aol.com> Message-ID: <3EC5B620.59858A4F@pacbell.net> Stephen Sank does excellent work and is known to be fair on pricing. Brian Jo2jo64 at aol.com wrote: > Hi everyone: > > I have the Nak 730 receiver. It needs cleaning and replacement of some > light bulbs. Does anyone know if Nakamichi still does repair some on > these units. > > I know of a couple of dealers that want to do restoration at an > incredible cost. Not for me. I am not building a piramid! > > I bought the service manual but I cannot venture to take it apart. > > Any information will be appreciated. > > Jose Cigno > Levittown, PA. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tzzydzzy at aol.com Sat May 17 19:21:55 2003 From: Tzzydzzy at aol.com (Tzzydzzy at aol.com) Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 13:21:55 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Quick question Message-ID: <1e5.91b9df0.2bf7c9b3@aol.com> The 1000 ZXL and 700 ZXL are basically the same machine. The 1000 being the premium selected unit. ABLE adjusts Record Azimuth, Bias, Level and Equalization for each cassette. The equalization can vary between differing brands of tapes and level between true CrO2 tapes like BASF and Type II ferrics from TDK, Maxell and the like. There also was a 700 ZXE which did NOT adjust as many parameters as the ZXL units. Dragon and CR 7 brought about playback head azimuth variance so that older tapes could be matched to the proper play back alignment. From BADANTH at aol.com Sat May 17 20:38:34 2003 From: BADANTH at aol.com (BADANTH at aol.com) Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 14:38:34 EDT Subject: [naktalk] RE: More Trouble Message-ID: <1dd.9e72f81.2bf7dbaa@aol.com> Well, I replaced the belt and the problem is still there and may be a little more pronounced. Do you think it could be the motor? Can this be cleaned or should it be replaced? Any other suggestions that may cure my slurring, sluggish speed trouble? ~ Anthony ~ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat May 17 23:32:23 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 17:32:23 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE: More Trouble References: <1dd.9e72f81.2bf7dbaa@aol.com> Message-ID: <3EC6AA67.D4B23A6A@rcn.com> This doesn't sound right. Replacing the belt certainly should NOT make the problem more pronounced. Did you thoroughly clean the flywheel surfaces before installing the new belt? First, check the capstan motor current in idle. This is done by measuring voltage drop across the 5.6 ohm series resistor on the main PCB. The correct voltage is provided on the schematic. Then, ascertain that the motor develops adequate torque. I do this by *lightly* pressing a finger against the flywheel (it should slow some, but not stop). If either of these tests fails, there is likely an electronic problem on the capstan motor board. If the motor tests OK, read on... If lubricating the front of the capstans made a big improvement, it is possible the problem lies with incomplete lubrication. To fully lubricate, remove the Capstan motor PCB and the metal strap supporting the supply capstan. Take out both capstans. Clean the capstans and the bearings thoroughly. Inspect capstans to make sure both are true (even the slightest bend can cause such a problem). Lubricate the bearings with light machine oil and the ball in back of each capstan shaft with light grease. Clean both flywheel surfaces and the new belt with a good solvent such as MEK. After reassembly, make sure both pinch rollers rotate freely and both pinch roller arms move freely and press against the capstans in PLAY mode. Apply a tiny drop of oil to each pivot. Clean pinch roller surfaces religiously. At this point wow should be next to zero. Adjust speed, using a 3 kHz tape played into a frequency counter. The adjustment pot is located on the top right corner of the capstan motor PCB. -- Ron BADANTH at aol.com wrote: > > Well, I replaced the belt and the problem is still there and may be a little > more pronounced. Do you think it could be the motor? Can this be cleaned or > should it be replaced? Any other suggestions that may cure my slurring, > sluggish speed trouble? > > ~ Anthony ~ From fractal2000 at terra.com.br Sun May 18 02:54:31 2003 From: fractal2000 at terra.com.br (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Daniel_Ravazzi?=) Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 00:54:31 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 / CR-7 gear kit Message-ID: Hello guys, I would like to know if anybody have for sell the gear Kits for CR-5/7 and how much it. Please contact me in private. Thanks! Daniel From kannan_s at vsnl.com Sun May 18 03:51:58 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 07:21:58 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] RE: More Trouble Message-ID: <20030518015158.BC470114914@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From BADANTH at aol.com Sun May 18 04:39:01 2003 From: BADANTH at aol.com (BADANTH at aol.com) Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 22:39:01 EDT Subject: [naktalk] RE: More Trouble Message-ID: <189.1988d843.2bf84c45@aol.com> Thanks Kannan, I don't have the BX1 service manual so could you please email it to me? I'll try your suggestion and hopefully that will take care of it. I appreciate everyones help. ~Anthony~ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thurber at adelphia.net Sun May 18 06:01:04 2003 From: thurber at adelphia.net (thurber) Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 00:01:04 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 / CR-7 gear kit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3EC70580.9050507@adelphia.net> http://www.eslabs.com/ ES labs has such parts... for a price. I post to the list also because I think this may be of interest to any Nak user. No affiliation with ESlabs or Nakamichi. In other words, I ain't makin no money off this. Daniel Ravazzi wrote: >Hello guys, I would like to know if anybody have for sell the gear Kits for CR-5/7 and how much it. Please contact me in private. Thanks! > >Daniel > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun May 18 15:11:19 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 09:11:19 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE: More Trouble References: <20030518015158.BC470114914@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <3EC78677.8AD8B41E@rcn.com> Ooops... I was thinking of the CR-7 all along... Sorry, my mistake. I had a similar problem with a 582. Turned out the speed control IC inside the motor went bad. It was not available anywhere and I replaced the motor. It wasn't very expensive. -- Ron kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > > Ron > the 5.6 Ohm resistor is for Direct drive motors in BX300/ CR7/CR4 etc and not on CR1 which has a belt drive and the entire motor speed contro is inside the motor like BX1/BX2/CR1/2/BX100/125/150 etc motor. > The belt change does not improve - pull out the entire Capstan drive shaft from the housing after removing the motor holding bracket. Check out the BX1 service manual in Nak FTP site if you have downloaded it. Otherwise I can send it by email. > > If you can clean the shft as well as bearing housing and then apply lubrication and see as a last resort. If that does not cure - it needs experienced technician to find the cause. One problem could be that the motor control circuit inside the motor going bad - I cannot vouch for it unless I replace it with another working machine. > Best of luck Anthony > Kannan > > ra.ah at rcn.com wrote > > This doesn't sound right. Replacing the belt certainly should > NOT make the problem more pronounced. Did you thoroughly clean > the flywheel surfaces before installing the new belt? > > First, check the capstan motor current in idle. This is done by > measuring voltage drop across the 5.6 ohm series resistor on > the main PCB. The correct voltage is provided on the schematic. > Then, ascertain that the motor develops adequate torque. I do > this by *lightly* pressing a finger against the flywheel (it > should slow some, but not stop). If either of these tests fails, > there is likely an electronic problem on the capstan motor board. > If the motor tests OK, read on... > > If lubricating the front of the capstans made a big improvement, > it is possible the problem lies with incomplete lubrication. To > fully lubricate, remove the Capstan motor PCB and the metal strap > supporting the supply capstan. Take out both capstans. Clean the > capstans and the bearings thoroughly. Inspect capstans to make > sure both are true (even the slightest bend can cause such a > problem). Lubricate the bearings with light machine oil and the > ball in back of each capstan shaft with light grease. Clean both > flywheel surfaces and the new belt with a good solvent such as > MEK. > > After reassembly, make sure both pinch rollers rotate freely and > both pinch roller arms move freely and press against the capstans > in PLAY mode. Apply a tiny drop of oil to each pivot. Clean pinch > roller surfaces religiously. > > At this point wow should be next to zero. Adjust speed, using a > 3 kHz tape played into a frequency counter. The adjustment pot is > located on the top right corner of the capstan motor PCB. > > -- Ron > > BADANTH at aol.com wrote: > > > > Well, I replaced the belt and the problem is still there and may be a little > > more pronounced. Do you think it could be the motor? Can this be cleaned or > > should it be replaced? Any other suggestions that may cure my slurring, > > sluggish speed trouble? > > > > ~ Anthony ~ > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun May 18 15:14:12 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 09:14:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 / CR-7 gear kit References: <3EC70580.9050507@adelphia.net> Message-ID: <3EC78724.A9FAFFCA@rcn.com> Just took a look at ES Labs site. $2000 for a CR-7? Is that for real? -- Ron thurber wrote: > > http://www.eslabs.com/ > > ES labs has such parts... for a price. I post to the list also because > I think this may be of interest to > any Nak user. > > No affiliation with ESlabs or Nakamichi. In other words, I ain't makin > no money off this. > > Daniel Ravazzi wrote: > > >Hello guys, I would like to know if anybody have for sell the gear Kits for CR-5/7 and how much it. Please contact me in private. Thanks! > > > >Daniel From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun May 18 16:26:23 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 15:26:23 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 / CR-7 gear kit In-Reply-To: <3EC78724.A9FAFFCA@rcn.com> Message-ID: <000501c31d49$75aa0280$5071893e@oemcomputer> Adam Smith would approve! If people will pay $2000 there will always be others willing to take their money ... that's Capitalism, the rock on which the States are built! ;o) A Limey > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Ron > Sent: 18 May 2003 14:14 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-5 / CR-7 gear kit > > > > Just took a look at ES Labs site. $2000 for a CR-7? Is that for real? > > -- Ron > > thurber wrote: > > > > http://www.eslabs.com/ > > > > ES labs has such parts... for a price. I post to the list also because > > I think this may be of interest to > > any Nak user. > > > > No affiliation with ESlabs or Nakamichi. In other words, I ain't makin > > no money off this. > > > > Daniel Ravazzi wrote: > > > > >Hello guys, I would like to know if anybody have for sell the > gear Kits for CR-5/7 and how much it. Please contact me in > private. Thanks! > > > > > >Daniel > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.478 / Virus Database: 275 - Release Date: 06/05/03 From croquetgod at yahoo.com Sun May 18 22:57:50 2003 From: croquetgod at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jens-M.=20Arndt?=) Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 22:57:50 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] Any Nak brothers out there living near Hanau in Germany? In-Reply-To: <000d01c31c77$d2492200$6d70893e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20030518205750.83194.qmail@web13503.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Graham, please let me know in case you should require my assistance, although Hanau is not really in the neighbourhood of Hamburg. About what kind of item are you talking? Jens --- Graham Nelson schrieb: > Any Nak brothers out there living near Hanau in > Germany? There's an item on > eBay I'd like to bid for that requires collection; > so, I need someone to > take delivery and send on to me in the UK. > > Please reply off list. > > Thanks > > Graham > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system > (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.478 / Virus Database: 275 - Release > Date: 06/05/03 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Logos und Klingeltöne fürs Handy bei http://sms.yahoo.de From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon May 19 00:15:52 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 18:15:52 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] NakTalk Test Message-ID: <3EC80618.E60A2A81@rcn.com> I've been getting 'system administrator' replies to my posts, claiming that the messages cannot be delivered, because naktalk is not a recognized address. Yet, I seem to see both my posts and replies to them. Does anyone else see this strange behaviour? -- Ron From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon May 19 00:28:08 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 18:28:08 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 / CR-7 gear kit References: <000501c31d49$75aa0280$5071893e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3EC808F8.CB37F1E2@rcn.com> The most I have seen a CR-7 go for was $1000, for a unit made in 1991, that included the EQ modification and gear modification, looked (and felt and smelled) like new and came with the remote, original box and manual. My own CR-7 cost $750 and came with the gear mod, new remote and original manual and box and in near mint condition. By the time I put in the EQ mod, new belt and pinch roller and had Stephen fully calibrate it, the total came closer to $950. For $2000, you could almost get a 1000ZXL Limited Edition. Of course, you would have had to be there, at the right time, on the right spot, money in hand... -- Ron Graham Nelson wrote: > > Adam Smith would approve! If people will pay $2000 there will always be > others willing to take their money ... that's Capitalism, the rock on which > the States are built! ;o) > > A Limey > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Ron > > Sent: 18 May 2003 14:14 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-5 / CR-7 gear kit > > > > > > > > Just took a look at ES Labs site. $2000 for a CR-7? Is that for real? > > > > -- Ron > > > > thurber wrote: > > > > > > http://www.eslabs.com/ > > > > > > ES labs has such parts... for a price. I post to the list also because > > > I think this may be of interest to > > > any Nak user. > > > > > > No affiliation with ESlabs or Nakamichi. In other words, I ain't makin > > > no money off this. > > > > > > Daniel Ravazzi wrote: > > > > > > >Hello guys, I would like to know if anybody have for sell the > > gear Kits for CR-5/7 and how much it. Please contact me in > > private. Thanks! > > > > > > > >Daniel > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.478 / Virus Database: 275 - Release Date: 06/05/03 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon May 19 01:18:24 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 00:18:24 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] NakTalk Test In-Reply-To: <3EC80618.E60A2A81@rcn.com> Message-ID: <002001c31d93$c789ca00$3674893e@oemcomputer> I got it, too, Ron. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Ron > Sent: 18 May 2003 23:16 > To: NakTalk > Subject: [naktalk] NakTalk Test > > > > I've been getting 'system administrator' replies to my posts, > claiming that the messages cannot be delivered, because > naktalk is not a recognized address. Yet, I seem to see both > my posts and replies to them. > > Does anyone else see this strange behaviour? > > -- Ron > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.478 / Virus Database: 275 - Release Date: 06/05/03 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.478 / Virus Database: 275 - Release Date: 06/05/03 From hifiman at dsl.pipex.com Mon May 19 01:46:38 2003 From: hifiman at dsl.pipex.com (Hifiman) Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 00:46:38 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 / CR-7 gear kit In-Reply-To: <3EC808F8.CB37F1E2@rcn.com> Message-ID: When I bought my CR7 it had the usual probs with the rubber drive wheel. I managed to substitute the gear mech out of an old CR1 (i think it was a CR1 -anyway it was dead -maybe i'll be able to get round to fixing somtime!!) so I am familiar with the gear mod. But what is the EQ mod. And what is the 'orange cap' problem I've seen reference to...? thanks, Neale -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: 18 May 2003 23:28 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-5 / CR-7 gear kit The most I have seen a CR-7 go for was $1000, for a unit made in 1991, that included the EQ modification and gear modification, looked (and felt and smelled) like new and came with the remote, original box and manual. My own CR-7 cost $750 and came with the gear mod, new remote and original manual and box and in near mint condition. By the time I put in the EQ mod, new belt and pinch roller and had Stephen fully calibrate it, the total came closer to $950. For $2000, you could almost get a 1000ZXL Limited Edition. Of course, you would have had to be there, at the right time, on the right spot, money in hand... -- Ron Graham Nelson wrote: > > Adam Smith would approve! If people will pay $2000 there will always be > others willing to take their money ... that's Capitalism, the rock on which > the States are built! ;o) > > A Limey > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Ron > > Sent: 18 May 2003 14:14 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-5 / CR-7 gear kit > > > > > > > > Just took a look at ES Labs site. $2000 for a CR-7? Is that for real? > > > > -- Ron > > > > thurber wrote: > > > > > > http://www.eslabs.com/ > > > > > > ES labs has such parts... for a price. I post to the list also because > > > I think this may be of interest to > > > any Nak user. > > > > > > No affiliation with ESlabs or Nakamichi. In other words, I ain't makin > > > no money off this. > > > > > > Daniel Ravazzi wrote: > > > > > > >Hello guys, I would like to know if anybody have for sell the > > gear Kits for CR-5/7 and how much it. Please contact me in > > private. Thanks! > > > > > > > >Daniel > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.478 / Virus Database: 275 - Release Date: 06/05/03 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon May 19 06:57:50 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 14:57:50 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX680 Question. Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02202016@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi all. Just a little question to those who own a 680 ZX, is the tape well lit with a small lamp (blue in color)? Regards, Tom Siomopoulos From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon May 19 06:50:25 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 14:50:25 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] NakTalk Test Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02202015@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Ron, I too have been receiving the same messsages but my message still gets through. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Graham Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Monday, 19 May 2003 9:18 To: ra.ah at rcn.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] NakTalk Test I got it, too, Ron. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Ron > Sent: 18 May 2003 23:16 > To: NakTalk > Subject: [naktalk] NakTalk Test > > > > I've been getting 'system administrator' replies to my posts, > claiming that the messages cannot be delivered, because > naktalk is not a recognized address. Yet, I seem to see both > my posts and replies to them. > > Does anyone else see this strange behaviour? > > -- Ron > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.478 / Virus Database: 275 - Release Date: 06/05/03 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.478 / Virus Database: 275 - Release Date: 06/05/03 ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon May 19 09:31:24 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 14:31:24 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] ZX680 Question. References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02202016@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <001101c31dd8$b99fb9a0$18299bca@smarzuki> Yup ! 12V 60mA for 682zx with blue/green 'rubber cover' =) , 680zx looks the same. Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos To: Naktalk mail list (E-mail) Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 11:57 AM Subject: [naktalk] ZX680 Question. Hi all. Just a little question to those who own a 680 ZX, is the tape well lit with a small lamp (blue in color)? Regards, Tom Siomopoulos From croquetgod at yahoo.com Mon May 19 09:43:38 2003 From: croquetgod at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jens-M.=20Arndt?=) Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 09:43:38 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] NakTalk Test In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02202015@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <20030519074338.47340.qmail@web13501.mail.yahoo.com> same with me. thought that my yahoo account was the reason for this... jens --- Thomas Siomopoulos schrieb: > Hi Ron, I too have been receiving the same messsages > but my message still > gets through. > > Tom. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Graham Nelson > [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] > Sent: Monday, 19 May 2003 9:18 > To: ra.ah at rcn.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette > Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] NakTalk Test > > > I got it, too, Ron. > > Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Ron > > Sent: 18 May 2003 23:16 > > To: NakTalk > > Subject: [naktalk] NakTalk Test > > > > > > > > I've been getting 'system administrator' replies > to my posts, > > claiming that the messages cannot be delivered, > because > > naktalk is not a recognized address. Yet, I seem > to see both > > my posts and replies to them. > > > > Does anyone else see this strange behaviour? > > > > -- Ron > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------========= > > > > --- > > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system > (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.478 / Virus Database: 275 - Release > Date: 06/05/03 > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system > (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.478 / Virus Database: 275 - Release > Date: 06/05/03 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Logos und Klingeltöne fürs Handy bei http://sms.yahoo.de From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon May 19 09:53:48 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 09:53:48 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] NakTalk Test In-Reply-To: <20030519074338.47340.qmail@web13501.mail.yahoo.com> References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02202015@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com. au> <20030519074338.47340.qmail@web13501.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <21598.212.78.179.234.1053330828.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Strange... I haven't seen it yet, but also I'm not such a regualar poster to the list... Could you forward me the original error message? Please to my private address: wheijke at xs4all.nl I'll see what's going on then. thanks, Wouter > same with me. > > thought that my yahoo account was the reason for > this... > > jens > > --- Thomas Siomopoulos > schrieb: > Hi Ron, I > too have been receiving the same messsages >> but my message still >> gets through. >> >> Tom. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Graham Nelson >> [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] >> Sent: Monday, 19 May 2003 9:18 >> To: ra.ah at rcn.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >> Decks >> Subject: RE: [naktalk] NakTalk Test >> >> >> I got it, too, Ron. >> >> Gra' >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com >> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >> > Behalf Of Ron >> > Sent: 18 May 2003 23:16 >> > To: NakTalk >> > Subject: [naktalk] NakTalk Test >> > >> > >> > >> > I've been getting 'system administrator' replies >> to my posts, >> > claiming that the messages cannot be delivered, >> because >> > naktalk is not a recognized address. Yet, I seem >> to see both >> > my posts and replies to them. >> > >> > Does anyone else see this strange behaviour? >> > >> > -- Ron >> > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------- >> > --------========= >> > Naktalk at naks.com >> mailinglist >> > To maintain your account please go here: >> > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------- >> > --------========= >> > >> > --- >> > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >> > Checked by AVG anti-virus system >> (http://www.grisoft.com). >> > Version: 6.0.478 / Virus Database: 275 - Release >> Date: 06/05/03 >> > >> --- >> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >> Checked by AVG anti-virus system >> (http://www.grisoft.com). >> Version: 6.0.478 / Virus Database: 275 - Release >> Date: 06/05/03 >> >> > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== >> ======= >> Naktalk at naks.com >> mailinglist >> To maintain your account please go here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== >> ======= >> > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com >> mailinglist >> To maintain your account please go here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ===== > 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, > man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat > in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' > (Harry Rowohlt) > > __________________________________________________________________ > > Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de > Logos und Klingeltöne fürs Handy bei http://sms.yahoo.de > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > From icarus6 at telusplanet.net Mon May 19 15:28:21 2003 From: icarus6 at telusplanet.net (Stanley Waterman) Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 07:28:21 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] ZX680 Question. References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02202016@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <000a01c31e0a$84c1b760$41c4ad8e@ab.hsia.telus.net> Hello, my 682zx has no lamp. Stanley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" To: "Naktalk mail list (E-mail)" Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 10:57 PM Subject: [naktalk] ZX680 Question. > Hi all. Just a little question to those who own a 680 ZX, is the tape well > lit with a small lamp (blue in color)? > > Regards, > > Tom Siomopoulos > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon May 19 16:23:57 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 10:23:57 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 / CR-7 gear kit References: Message-ID: <3EC8E8FD.AD1F2010@rcn.com> Hifiman wrote: > > When I bought my CR7 it had the usual probs with the rubber drive wheel. I > managed to substitute the gear mech out of an old CR1 (i think it was a > CR1 -anyway it was dead -maybe i'll be able to get round to fixing > somtime!!) so I am familiar with the gear mod. But what is the EQ mod. The EQ mod applies to CR-7 units only and corrects a design flaw of the record equalization circuits. It was applied to CR-7s coming out of the factory, starting with S/N 08677 or so. > And what is the 'orange cap' problem I've seen reference to...? Nakamichi used film caps colored orange that, with time (like, 15 years and over) start to deteriorate. This applies to many models and is known as the Orange Cap Disease. -- Ron > > thanks, > > Neale > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Ron > Sent: 18 May 2003 23:28 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-5 / CR-7 gear kit > > The most I have seen a CR-7 go for was $1000, for a unit made in > 1991, that included the EQ modification and gear modification, > looked (and felt and smelled) like new and came with the remote, > original box and manual. > > My own CR-7 cost $750 and came with the gear mod, new remote and > original manual and box and in near mint condition. By the time > I put in the EQ mod, new belt and pinch roller and had Stephen > fully calibrate it, the total came closer to $950. > > For $2000, you could almost get a 1000ZXL Limited Edition. Of > course, you would have had to be there, at the right time, on > the right spot, money in hand... > > -- Ron > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > Adam Smith would approve! If people will pay $2000 there will always be > > others willing to take their money ... that's Capitalism, the rock on > which > > the States are built! ;o) > > > > A Limey > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > Behalf Of Ron > > > Sent: 18 May 2003 14:14 > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-5 / CR-7 gear kit > > > > > > > > > > > > Just took a look at ES Labs site. $2000 for a CR-7? Is that for real? > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > thurber wrote: > > > > > > > > http://www.eslabs.com/ > > > > > > > > ES labs has such parts... for a price. I post to the list also > because > > > > I think this may be of interest to > > > > any Nak user. > > > > > > > > No affiliation with ESlabs or Nakamichi. In other words, I ain't > makin > > > > no money off this. > > > > > > > > Daniel Ravazzi wrote: > > > > > > > > >Hello guys, I would like to know if anybody have for sell the > > > gear Kits for CR-5/7 and how much it. Please contact me in > > > private. Thanks! > > > > > > > > > >Daniel > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.478 / Virus Database: 275 - Release Date: 06/05/03 > > > > > From jochi at qwest.net Mon May 19 18:15:53 2003 From: jochi at qwest.net (Jonathan Ochi) Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 09:15:53 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] ZX680 Question Message-ID: <001901c31e21$ec5edda0$0400000a@uswest.net> My 682ZX must be like Stanley's, for mine seems to have no lamp either. Regards, Jon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon May 19 17:15:01 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 17:15:01 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] NakTalk Test In-Reply-To: <20030519074338.47340.qmail@web13501.mail.yahoo.com> References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02202015@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com. au> <20030519074338.47340.qmail@web13501.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <15726.212.78.179.234.1053357301.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> It should be fixed now, someone on the list with a badly configured mailserver it seems... Please let me know personal if you still get messages like this. Wouter > same with me. > > thought that my yahoo account was the reason for > this... > > jens > > --- Thomas Siomopoulos > schrieb: > Hi Ron, I > too have been receiving the same messsages >> but my message still >> gets through. >> >> Tom. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Graham Nelson >> [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] >> Sent: Monday, 19 May 2003 9:18 >> To: ra.ah at rcn.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >> Decks >> Subject: RE: [naktalk] NakTalk Test >> >> >> I got it, too, Ron. >> >> Gra' >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com >> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >> > Behalf Of Ron >> > Sent: 18 May 2003 23:16 >> > To: NakTalk >> > Subject: [naktalk] NakTalk Test >> > >> > >> > >> > I've been getting 'system administrator' replies >> to my posts, >> > claiming that the messages cannot be delivered, >> because >> > naktalk is not a recognized address. Yet, I seem >> to see both >> > my posts and replies to them. >> > >> > Does anyone else see this strange behaviour? >> > >> > -- Ron >> > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------- >> > --------========= >> > Naktalk at naks.com >> mailinglist >> > To maintain your account please go here: >> > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------- >> > --------========= >> > >> > --- >> > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >> > Checked by AVG anti-virus system >> (http://www.grisoft.com). >> > Version: 6.0.478 / Virus Database: 275 - Release >> Date: 06/05/03 >> > >> --- >> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >> Checked by AVG anti-virus system >> (http://www.grisoft.com). >> Version: 6.0.478 / Virus Database: 275 - Release >> Date: 06/05/03 >> >> > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== >> ======= >> Naktalk at naks.com >> mailinglist >> To maintain your account please go here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== >> ======= >> > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com >> mailinglist >> To maintain your account please go here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ===== > 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, > man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat > in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' > (Harry Rowohlt) > > __________________________________________________________________ > > Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de > Logos und Klingeltöne fürs Handy bei http://sms.yahoo.de > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon May 19 19:26:35 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 00:26:35 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] ZX680 Question References: <001901c31e21$ec5edda0$0400000a@uswest.net> Message-ID: <006d01c31e2b$ccb755e0$b3299bca@smarzuki> If you look at the inside of cassette well, right above the cassette's center position there's a square pcb holding just that small bulb. The generic 12V lamp sold in my area is about 100mA or 1.2W and is a bit too bright, works fine apart from the added heat. Just replace it to increase that cool blue look. Opening the front panel is a bit hassle though. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Jonathan Ochi To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 11:15 PM Subject: [naktalk] ZX680 Question My 682ZX must be like Stanley's, for mine seems to have no lamp either. Regards, Jon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Wouter Ezio wrote: > >Subject: Naktalk post acknowledgement > >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > >To: ezio.lucenti2 at virgilio.it > >Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 19:40:06 +0200 > >X-BeenThere: naktalk at naks.com > >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 > >List-Id: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Sender: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > > >Your message entitled > > > > RE: [naktalk] NakTalk Test > > > >was successfully received by the Naktalk mailing list. > > > >List info page: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >Your preferences: > >http://www.naks.com/mailman/options/naktalk/ezio.lucenti2%40virgilio.it > > Sincerely > > Ezio Lucenti > > Ezio's e-photography site http://www.lucenti.com > > My pages about digital photography > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Tue May 20 07:29:39 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 15:29:39 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX680 Question Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02202017@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Thanks Salim, I'll let you know how I go with the lamp - I'm hopefully receiving the deck on Friday (can't wait!) Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Salim Marzuki [mailto:smarzuki at indosat.net.id] Sent: Tuesday, 20 May 2003 3:27 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX680 Question If you look at the inside of cassette well, right above the cassette's center position there's a square pcb holding just that small bulb. The generic 12V lamp sold in my area is about 100mA or 1.2W and is a bit too bright, works fine apart from the added heat. Just replace it to increase that cool blue look. Opening the front panel is a bit hassle though. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Jonathan Ochi To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 11:15 PM Subject: [naktalk] ZX680 Question My 682ZX must be like Stanley's, for mine seems to have no lamp either. 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In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02202001@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <20030520072651.1161.qmail@web13508.mail.yahoo.com> With Tom's assistance (he mailed me a copy of the owners manual for the B-type) I have finally been able to calibrate the highcom II and made my first trial recordings: The sound is simply terrific and by far superior to any recordings with the built-in dolby C reduction of my RX505. It's a pity to see that this excellent noice reduction system finally didn't make it... Jens --- Thomas Siomopoulos schrieb: > Hi Jens. I am the happy owner of two Highcom II > units - one for my Rx505 and > the other for my BX300. It beats the hell out of any > dolby noise reduction > and does not suffer the "pumping" effect that DBX > does. The unit itself is > attractive with those two huge black with blue lamp > analog meters, and with > two together it is simply awesome. Have fooled many > people with the acurate > sound quality they produce - but then again the > Nakamichi's alone do that > anyway. > > Tom Siomopoulos. ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Logos und Klingeltöne fürs Handy bei http://sms.yahoo.de From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Tue May 20 09:34:02 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 09:34:02 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] ZX680 Question: Congrats Tom Message-ID: Hi Tom Congratulations on your acquisition of a 680 series Nakamichi. I love my 682ZX, and I see very very little significant difference between any of the family. Mark Nutter page (Sonic Sense) pays special homage to the 680s, calling them the "epitome" of Nakamichi. When I got mine, I remember Salim reassuring me, saying it was very much a ZX-7 with better metering. Those flourescent blue meters are a delight. The combination of a genuine Nak mechanism, rec head azimuth adjustment, full manual calibration and solid construction make it really special. Best of luck with your 680ZX!!! Marc The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. 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From hifiman at dsl.pipex.com Tue May 20 10:42:12 2003 From: hifiman at dsl.pipex.com (Hifiman) Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 09:42:12 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ZX680 Question In-Reply-To: <006d01c31e2b$ccb755e0$b3299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: In UK, maplins do a range of bulbs -sure one would do (I just bought a couple for High Com unit) they have some at 60mA (but may be too large in physical size). http://www.maplin.co.uk Neale -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Salim Marzuki Sent: 19 May 2003 18:27 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX680 Question If you look at the inside of cassette well, right above the cassette's center position there's a square pcb holding just that small bulb. The generic 12V lamp sold in my area is about 100mA or 1.2W and is a bit too bright, works fine apart from the added heat. Just replace it to increase that cool blue look. Opening the front panel is a bit hassle though. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Jonathan Ochi To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 11:15 PM Subject: [naktalk] ZX680 Question My 682ZX must be like Stanley's, for mine seems to have no lamp either. Regards, Jon ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From calijente at gmx.net Tue May 20 18:29:40 2003 From: calijente at gmx.net (calijente at gmx.net) Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 11:29:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Gear update for MR-1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001901c31eed$06d9df10$0d7cce80@Tweezzy> Hi everybody, Does anybody know where could I find a gear update for MR-1 and how much this would be? Thank you, Gabe From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Wed May 21 02:40:46 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 10:40:46 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX680 Question: Congrats Tom Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02202019@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Thanks Marc and everyone (especially Salim), regarding the info on the 680. Regards Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Hugo [mailto:Mhugo at sunint.co.za] Sent: Tuesday, 20 May 2003 5:34 To: naktalk at naks.com; Thomas Siomopoulos Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX680 Question: Congrats Tom Hi Tom Congratulations on your acquisition of a 680 series Nakamichi. I love my 682ZX, and I see very very little significant difference between any of the family. Mark Nutter page (Sonic Sense) pays special homage to the 680s, calling them the "epitome" of Nakamichi. When I got mine, I remember Salim reassuring me, saying it was very much a ZX-7 with better metering. Those flourescent blue meters are a delight. The combination of a genuine Nak mechanism, rec head azimuth adjustment, full manual calibration and solid construction make it really special. Best of luck with your 680ZX!!! Marc The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. 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Arndt [mailto:croquetgod at yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, 20 May 2003 5:27 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi Highcom II: Still used? With Tom's assistance (he mailed me a copy of the owners manual for the B-type) I have finally been able to calibrate the highcom II and made my first trial recordings: The sound is simply terrific and by far superior to any recordings with the built-in dolby C reduction of my RX505. It's a pity to see that this excellent noice reduction system finally didn't make it... Jens --- Thomas Siomopoulos schrieb: > Hi Jens. I am the happy owner of two Highcom II > units - one for my Rx505 and > the other for my BX300. It beats the hell out of any > dolby noise reduction > and does not suffer the "pumping" effect that DBX > does. The unit itself is > attractive with those two huge black with blue lamp > analog meters, and with > two together it is simply awesome. Have fooled many > people with the acurate > sound quality they produce - but then again the > Nakamichi's alone do that > anyway. > > Tom Siomopoulos. ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Logos und Klingeltöne fürs Handy bei http://sms.yahoo.de ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From BOEING747600 at aol.com Wed May 21 03:03:58 2003 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 21:03:58 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Help with correct bias setting sequence on Nakamichi Dragon Cassette Deck Message-ID: <63.1d2ef9ba.2bfc2a7e@aol.com> Hi Fellow Nakamichi Fans! I have recently acquired a Nakamichi Dragon Cassette Deck used but in great condition. I dont have a operating manual if some can help email me one in PDF form it will be greatly appreciated or email just the page from the manual which shows how to set the bias for the tape one is using i.e the right sequence for calibrating the test tones on this machine so maximum performance can be obtain with that tape. I have box full of NOS TDK SA-60 new cassette tapes that i want use to tape my cds on the cassette. Any KIND HELP! in this regard will be greatly appreciated!! Thanks! With Best Regards! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marcdenis at iquebec.com Wed May 21 03:28:44 2003 From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis) Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 21:28:44 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Help with correct bias setting sequence on Nakamichi Dragon Cassette Deck In-Reply-To: <63.1d2ef9ba.2bfc2a7e@aol.com> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20030520211526.02cc6ce0@pop.iquebec.com> It's been a while since I played with a Dragon. I don't remember the front panel exactly but, given a choice, you should use type SX as tape selection and 70uS EQ when using TDK SA. Adjust level and then bias (after the direction/auto-azimuth arrow has stopped flashing). Clean capstans often. The Dragon's dual direct drive is quite fussy with this. Enjoy. -Marc At 21:03 2003/05/20 -0400, you wrote: >Hi Fellow Nakamichi Fans! I have recently acquired a Nakamichi Dragon >Cassette Deck used but in great condition. I dont have a operating manual >if some can help email me one in PDF form it will be greatly appreciated >or email just the page from the manual which shows how to set the bias for >the tape one is using i.e the right sequence for calibrating the test >tones on this machine so maximum performance can be obtain with that >tape. I have box full of NOS TDK SA-60 new cassette tapes that i want >use to tape my cds on the cassette. Any KIND HELP! in this regard will be >greatly appreciated!! Thanks! > >With Best Regards! >Ali >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ti at amb.org Wed May 21 04:35:34 2003 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 19:35:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon tape calibration In-Reply-To: <63.1d2ef9ba.2bfc2a7e@aol.com> from "BOEING747600@aol.com" at May 20, 2003 09:03:58 PM Message-ID: <200305210235.CAA29047@amb.org> BOEING747600 at aol.com writes: > Hi Fellow Nakamichi Fans! I have recently acquired a Nakamichi Dragon > Cassette Deck used but in great condition. I dont have a operating manual if > some can help email me one in PDF form it will be greatly appreciated or > email just the page from the manual which shows how to set the bias for the > tape one is using i.e the right sequence for calibrating the test tones on > this machine so maximum performance can be obtain with that tape. I have box > full of NOS TDK SA-60 new cassette tapes that i want use to tape my cds on > the cassette. Any KIND HELP! in this regard will be greatly appreciated!! The way I like to do it (which is slightly deviated from the factory procedure, but to me actually makes it easier to get the correct setting): - Fast forward a few minutes into the tape so it's not at the very beginning. - Set Dolby to off, and select the appropriate mode for your tape (for TDK SA, use the SX setting, and playback EQ should be 70uS). - Pre-set the level and calibration knobs for your tape type to approximately the center setting. The Monitor button should be in the "tape" position. - Start recording (press play and rec together) - Tap the "Level 400Hz" button. - Turn the left and right level calibration knobs (the ones corresponding to your tape type, with the LED lit) until the level meters read exactly 0dB. - Tap the Reset button. - Start recording some music material with good clean high frequency content at a moderate level, then use the Monitor button to listen to the source vs. recorded result. Turn the Bias calibration knobs until you hear as little difference in treble level between the two modes as possible. Do this slowly and let the NAAC settle if necessary (the direction lights on the cassette door should not be blinking). - Tap the "Level 400Hz" button again, check that the meter still reads 0dB when the Monitor button is in the "tape" position. - Now tap the "Bias 15KHz" button. Fine tune the left and right Bias calibration knobs until both level meters read 0dB. - Tap "Reset", and "Stop". You're done. Rewind the tape, and you are ready to make an excellent recording! The factory procedure does not have the step that involves listening and comparing the source vs. recorded music. By adding this step you get the bias setting almost right, and only do the final fine-tuning with the 15KHz test tone. This prevents possible gross-misadjustments. -Ti -- /// Ti Kan Vorsprung durch Technik /// AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA /// ti at amb.org ////// http://www.amb.org/ti/ /// From kannan_s at vsnl.com Wed May 21 08:33:06 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 12:03:06 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon tape calibration Message-ID: <20030521063306.0883D114A96@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From ezio.lucenti2 at virgilio.it Wed May 21 15:55:27 2003 From: ezio.lucenti2 at virgilio.it (Ezio) Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 15:55:27 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] My 550 is here In-Reply-To: <200305210235.CAA29047@amb.org> References: <63.1d2ef9ba.2bfc2a7e@aol.com> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030521155321.027c8b60@in.virgilio.it> Today I have received my 550 ... bought on eBay USA. It's GORGEOUS !!!!!!! I just want to let you know my happiness. Work for the manuals is going forward slowly ... too much work at the office . Ciao Sincerely Ezio Lucenti From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed May 21 17:20:32 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 22:20:32 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Gear update for MR-1 References: <001901c31eed$06d9df10$0d7cce80@Tweezzy> Message-ID: <000801c31fac$85a19120$b4299bca@smarzuki> Hi Gabe, Seriously I think this would be a good candidate parts for your MR-1 and should cost less than brand new gear update! Especially if you're in Europe area. http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3327767444&category=31197 Good luck, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: calijente at gmx.net To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 11:29 PM Subject: [naktalk] Gear update for MR-1 Hi everybody, Does anybody know where could I find a gear update for MR-1 and how much this would be? Thank you, Gabe From kemppie at studenten.net Wed May 21 23:09:28 2003 From: kemppie at studenten.net (LEW Kempkes) Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 23:09:28 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Highcom II: Still used? References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0220201A@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <003b01c31fdd$44bee320$4307c5d5@lk> I also have one, but no manual. Could you send me a copy to ? Thanks Laurens ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 2:42 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi Highcom II: Still used? > I agree with you 100 percent Jens. > > Tom. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jens-M. Arndt [mailto:croquetgod at yahoo.com] > Sent: Tuesday, 20 May 2003 5:27 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi Highcom II: Still used? > > > With Tom's assistance (he mailed me a copy of the > owners manual for the B-type) I have finally been able > to calibrate the highcom II and made my first trial > recordings: > The sound is simply terrific and by far superior to > any recordings with the built-in dolby C reduction of > my RX505. > It's a pity to see that this excellent noice reduction > system finally didn't make it... > > Jens > > --- Thomas Siomopoulos > schrieb: > Hi Jens. > I am the happy owner of two Highcom II > > units - one for my Rx505 and > > the other for my BX300. It beats the hell out of any > > dolby noise reduction > > and does not suffer the "pumping" effect that DBX > > does. The unit itself is > > attractive with those two huge black with blue lamp > > analog meters, and with > > two together it is simply awesome. Have fooled many > > people with the acurate > > sound quality they produce - but then again the > > Nakamichi's alone do that > > anyway. > > > > Tom Siomopoulos. > > > ===== > 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man > steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in > einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry > Rowohlt) > > __________________________________________________________________ > > Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de > Logos und Klingeltöne fürs Handy bei http://sms.yahoo.de > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu May 22 04:22:17 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 03:22:17 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] My 550 is here In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20030521155321.027c8b60@in.virgilio.it> Message-ID: <002101c32008$f7386000$66914c51@oemcomputer> Congratulations, Ezio! (What am I doing writing this @ 03:19 in the morning?! Pain in the foot - keeping me awake ... how will I work effectively in the office tomorrow ...( Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Ezio > Sent: 21 May 2003 14:55 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: [naktalk] My 550 is here > > > > > Today I have received my 550 ... bought on eBay USA. > > It's GORGEOUS !!!!!!! > > I just want to let you know my happiness. > > Work for the manuals is going forward slowly ... too much work > at the office . > > Ciao > > Sincerely > > Ezio Lucenti > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.478 / Virus Database: 275 - Release Date: 06/05/03 From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu May 22 07:59:16 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 15:59:16 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Highcom II: Still used? Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0220201E@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Laurens, just the usual question here but is your mail account able to receive a large attachment? Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: LEW Kempkes [mailto:kemppie at studenten.net] Sent: Thursday, 22 May 2003 7:09 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Highcom II: Still used? I also have one, but no manual. Could you send me a copy to ? Thanks Laurens ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 2:42 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi Highcom II: Still used? > I agree with you 100 percent Jens. > > Tom. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jens-M. Arndt [mailto:croquetgod at yahoo.com] > Sent: Tuesday, 20 May 2003 5:27 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi Highcom II: Still used? > > > With Tom's assistance (he mailed me a copy of the > owners manual for the B-type) I have finally been able > to calibrate the highcom II and made my first trial > recordings: > The sound is simply terrific and by far superior to > any recordings with the built-in dolby C reduction of > my RX505. > It's a pity to see that this excellent noice reduction > system finally didn't make it... > > Jens > > --- Thomas Siomopoulos > schrieb: > Hi Jens. > I am the happy owner of two Highcom II > > units - one for my Rx505 and > > the other for my BX300. It beats the hell out of any > > dolby noise reduction > > and does not suffer the "pumping" effect that DBX > > does. The unit itself is > > attractive with those two huge black with blue lamp > > analog meters, and with > > two together it is simply awesome. Have fooled many > > people with the acurate > > sound quality they produce - but then again the > > Nakamichi's alone do that > > anyway. > > > > Tom Siomopoulos. > > > ===== > 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man > steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in > einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry > Rowohlt) > > __________________________________________________________________ > > Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de > Logos und Klingeltöne fürs Handy bei http://sms.yahoo.de > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu May 22 08:02:26 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 16:02:26 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] My 550 is here Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0220201F@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> That's great Ezio, what color is it - black or silver? You must tell me how good it records and plays back. Regards Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Ezio [mailto:ezio.lucenti2 at virgilio.it] Sent: Wednesday, 21 May 2003 11:55 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] My 550 is here Today I have received my 550 ... bought on eBay USA. It's GORGEOUS !!!!!!! I just want to let you know my happiness. Work for the manuals is going forward slowly ... too much work at the office . 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URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu May 22 10:03:58 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 09:03:58 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] My 550 is here In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20030522094545.028a9980@in.virgilio.it> Message-ID: <000701c32038$b2dd2280$068b4c51@oemcomputer> :o) Sounds like that self explosive Styrofoam! Tiny little white spherical shapes seems to explode everywhere! Dow Chemicals have a lot to answer for! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ezio Sent: 22 May 2003 08:47 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] My 550 is here It's black I need to clean it because the foam to preserve it from shocks due to the shipment has gone everywhere and also I need to check it ... but it looks great ... like new . I will tell you friends . Ezio At 16.02 22/05/03 +1000, you wrote: That's great Ezio, what color is it - black or silver? You must tell me how good it records and plays back. Regards Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Ezio [mailto:ezio.lucenti2 at virgilio.it] Sent: Wednesday, 21 May 2003 11:55 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] My 550 is here Today I have received my 550 ... bought on eBay USA. It's GORGEOUS !!!!!!! I just want to let you know my happiness. Work for the manuals is going forward slowly ... too much work at the office . 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Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer Payments preferred through Paypal.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 4:20 AM Subject: [naktalk] How to clean indicator panel > I was wondering if anyone knew how to get rid of light scratches on the > plastic indicator panel? > > Thanks, > Anthony > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu May 22 15:19:04 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 09:19:04 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] How to clean indicator panel References: <28.3876874e.2bfdfe66@aol.com> Message-ID: <3ECCCE48.E4272034@rcn.com> BADANTH at aol.com wrote: > > I was wondering if anyone knew how to get rid of light scratches on the > plastic indicator panel? > > Thanks, > Anthony > I use 'Acrylic Scratch Remover'. Comes in a 15 oz. plastic bottle that says 'Manufactured for Magnetite Inc. 210 South St. Boston, MA 02111. I bought this bottle many years ago, still have more than half. Works well on small scratches, but requires a fair amount of elbow grease. -- Ron From BADANTH at aol.com Thu May 22 15:46:45 2003 From: BADANTH at aol.com (BADANTH at aol.com) Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 09:46:45 EDT Subject: [naktalk] How to clean indicator panel Message-ID: <1e3.976caa0.2bfe2ec5@aol.com> Thanks, looks much better now... ~Anthony~ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nelson3.freeserve.co.uk at pop.pol.net.uk Thu May 22 14:12:01 2003 From: nelson3.freeserve.co.uk at pop.pol.net.uk (nelson3.freeserve.co.uk@pop3.freeserve.com) Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 08:12:01 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] My 550 is here Message-ID: <265000-22003542212121284@M2W026.mail2web.com> Do you have an anti-static, or Zerostat, gun? One of these would remove the static charge in those nasty white things very fast, making cleaning a lot easier. They're good for cleaning records, too .... :o) Gra' Original Message: ----------------- From: Ezio ezio.lucenti2 at virgilio.it Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 10:18:57 +0200 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] My 550 is here Yes ! It is as described ... I have to suck them away + compressed air ... they are electrostaticly charged and then sticking to everything ..

Some starting loving care for the beloved ... he he he he he

Ezio

At 09.03 22/05/03 +0100, you wrote:
:o)   Sounds like that self explosive Styrofoam!  Tiny little white spherical shapes seems to explode everywhere!   Dow Chemicals have a lot to answer for!
 
Gra'
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< -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu May 22 20:27:55 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 20:27:55 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] How to clean indicator panel References: <28.3876874e.2bfdfe66@aol.com> Message-ID: <3ECD16AB.6FD50AD0@xs4all.nl> I always use copper-polish, is also very useful for 'repairing' lightly scratched cd's.... Wouter BADANTH at aol.com wrote: > I was wondering if anyone knew how to get rid of light scratches on the plastic indicator panel? > > Thanks, > Anthony > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kemppie at studenten.net Thu May 22 22:25:08 2003 From: kemppie at studenten.net (LEW Kempkes) Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 22:25:08 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Highcom II: Still used? References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0220201E@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <001b01c320a0$3e2d05a0$2505c5d5@lk> No, just 2 mb. So please send it to: kempkes at westerveldvossers.nl Thanks Laurens ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 7:59 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi Highcom II: Still used? > Hi Laurens, just the usual question here but is your mail account able to > receive a large attachment? > > Regards Tom Siomopoulos. > > -----Original Message----- > From: LEW Kempkes [mailto:kemppie at studenten.net] > Sent: Thursday, 22 May 2003 7:09 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Highcom II: Still used? > > > I also have one, but no manual. > Could you send me a copy to ? > > Thanks > > Laurens > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Thomas Siomopoulos > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 2:42 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi Highcom II: Still used? > > > > I agree with you 100 percent Jens. > > > > Tom. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jens-M. Arndt [mailto:croquetgod at yahoo.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, 20 May 2003 5:27 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi Highcom II: Still used? > > > > > > With Tom's assistance (he mailed me a copy of the > > owners manual for the B-type) I have finally been able > > to calibrate the highcom II and made my first trial > > recordings: > > The sound is simply terrific and by far superior to > > any recordings with the built-in dolby C reduction of > > my RX505. > > It's a pity to see that this excellent noice reduction > > system finally didn't make it... > > > > Jens > > > > --- Thomas Siomopoulos > > schrieb: > Hi Jens. > > I am the happy owner of two Highcom II > > > units - one for my Rx505 and > > > the other for my BX300. It beats the hell out of any > > > dolby noise reduction > > > and does not suffer the "pumping" effect that DBX > > > does. The unit itself is > > > attractive with those two huge black with blue lamp > > > analog meters, and with > > > two together it is simply awesome. Have fooled many > > > people with the acurate > > > sound quality they produce - but then again the > > > Nakamichi's alone do that > > > anyway. > > > > > > Tom Siomopoulos. > > > > > > ===== > > 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, > man > > steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in > > einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry > > Rowohlt) > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > > > > Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de > > Logos und Klingeltöne fürs Handy bei http://sms.yahoo.de > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > From kjbleus at charter.net Fri May 23 02:36:12 2003 From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus) Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 19:36:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Ezio's Nak 550 References: <200305220818.h4M8IjUw002595@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <010101c320c3$4fe3da30$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6> Congrats, Ezio! We have a growing brotherhood of Nak 550 portable cassette system collectors. Kent Merideth must be our godfather, his using the 550 system for recording over twenty years ago! And now another generation of users like myself purchasing these old classics to use for fun and work purposes. Neat stuff. I purchased mine a couple months ago, and its like yours, a beauty in looks and performance. My Nak 550 was fortunately rehabbed a bit during 2000 by the best service provider available, and for its age, the 550 is amazingly robust in its record/playback performance. So, we've got the Nak 550 brochure and technical evaluation available through Nak CyberSpot, < http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nak550a.html > and the owners/service manuals soon to be available. I'm planning to contribute manuals directly to Wouter for ftp.naks.com availability very soon. Special thanks to those who have collaborated with me to bring the brochure and manuals into the digital domain! I'm wondering how many other Nak 550 collectors we have amongst us? Regards, K.J. Bleus Madison, Wisc USA kjbleus at charter.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 3:18 AM Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 3, Issue 27 > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Dragon tape calibration (Ti Kan) > 2. Re: Dragon tape calibration (kannan_s at vsnl.com) > 3. My 550 is here (Ezio) > 4. Re: Gear update for MR-1 (Salim Marzuki) > 5. Re: Nakamichi Highcom II: Still used? (LEW Kempkes) > 6. RE: My 550 is here (Graham Nelson) > 7. RE: Nakamichi Highcom II: Still used? (Thomas Siomopoulos) > 8. RE: My 550 is here (Thomas Siomopoulos) > 9. RE: My 550 is here (Ezio) > 10. RE: My 550 is here (Graham Nelson) > 11. RE: My 550 is here (Ezio) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 15:55:27 +0200 > From: Ezio > Subject: [naktalk] My 550 is here > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030521155321.027c8b60 at in.virgilio.it> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > > > Today I have received my 550 ... bought on eBay USA. > > It's GORGEOUS !!!!!!! > > I just want to let you know my happiness. > > Work for the manuals is going forward slowly ... too much work at the office . > > Ciao > > Sincerely > > Ezio Lucenti > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 3, Issue 27 > ************************************** From calijente at gmx.net Fri May 23 06:19:51 2003 From: calijente at gmx.net (calijente at gmx.net) Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 23:19:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Gear update for MR-1 In-Reply-To: <000801c31fac$85a19120$b4299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: Thanks Salim, that's a good idea. I didn't know that CR-2 has the same idler tire as MR-1. Gabe -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Salim Marzuki Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 10:21 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Gear update for MR-1 Hi Gabe, Seriously I think this would be a good candidate parts for your MR-1 and should cost less than brand new gear update! Especially if you're in Europe area. http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3327767444&category=31197 Good luck, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: calijente at gmx.net To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 11:29 PM Subject: [naktalk] Gear update for MR-1 Hi everybody, Does anybody know where could I find a gear update for MR-1 and how much this would be? Thank you, Gabe ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Fri May 23 08:42:33 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 16:42:33 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] FW: Postal service Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0220202D@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi all. I would like to ask all of you (especially the Australian Nak brothers) if you have had noticed that sending money orders or even letters from one state to another is taking longer and longer. Sorry for the off topic. Regards, Tom Siomopoulos From Jo2jo64 at aol.com Fri May 23 09:00:44 2003 From: Jo2jo64 at aol.com (Jo2jo64 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 03:00:44 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Re: OMS-7AII Message-ID: <1a4.14d66519.2bff211c@aol.com> To depart for a moment from the Nak-Tape strain if I may, there is a lot of knowledge being exchanged here so I have a question. I recently purchased this marvelous-sounding CD player. It works well, a bit noisy on the tray department. I can live with that. Invariably, after about one hour of continuous playing, a crackling noise loose-wire- type comes out of the speakers, then silence for one second, then it goes back to the previous track and it plays for a while without any problems. Does anyone know what's ailing my CD player? It's not the cables or the system, I think is tracking. I heard that this unit can track even track the badly damaged CDs. I haven't tried one yet. The noise is made with new CDs. Thanks for any guidance. Ron...are you still there? Regards to all, Jose Cigno -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adamyh at mac.com Fri May 23 13:17:35 2003 From: adamyh at mac.com (Adam Yousuf) Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 19:17:35 +0800 Subject: [naktalk] FW: Postal service In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0220202D@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <2763393E-8D10-11D7-B1FC-00039388D952@mac.com> You are absolutely correct. I just sent a package via DHL today and it is usually over night service but I found out that it would take 5 days. This is from HK to India. Saw your Naks on Blues page. Nice sound system! Adam On Friday, May 23, 2003, at 02:42 PM, Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > Hi all. I would like to ask all of you (especially the Australian Nak > brothers) if you have had noticed that sending money orders or even > letters > from one state to another is taking longer and longer. > > Sorry for the off topic. > > Regards, > > Tom Siomopoulos > ========--------------------------------------------------------------- > ---========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------------- > ---========= > From gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com Fri May 23 21:08:24 2003 From: gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com (gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com) Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 14:08:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Three head decks - dumb question Message-ID: I just started looking at the mechanicals of my new-to-me BX-300. This is the first 3 head deck I have played with. I guess I was expecting each head (record, play, & erase) to be in a different cassette well, but it appears that the record and play heads go into the same well. Is this true of all 3 head decks? Also, what is meant by the "Discrete Head" buzzword as applied to this deck? Gary -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From khmerideth at anderson.edu Fri May 23 22:01:50 2003 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 15:01:50 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Three head decks - dumb question Message-ID: Gary, Welcome to the Naktalk "users" group. Yes, this configuration is common for 3-head cassette decks. The "discrete" Nakamichi 3-head design is that the record and playback heads are, in fact, physically separate. The means each head can be aligned separately from the other. The other record/play head configurations are built together ("sandwich" construction) and are in a fixed alignment to each other. If you adjust one, you adjust both. Also, if they are not in perfect alignment from the head manufacturer, only one of them can ever be in perfect alignment. The discrete design is much more mechanically complicated, but can be more rewarding in the quality of sound reproduction. Warning! If someone has been in there twiddling with the adjustments, it WILL take someone with the proper alignment jigs to get it back in the ballpark again, so it can be finally zeroed in with the alignment tapes. All these adjustments make for beautiful music, only if done by an experienced person. I think there are a few Nak-aholics here that can speak quite well to this. The only adjustment I would recommend trying to tweak would be the azimuth, to get the proper alignment for best high frequency replication. I don't have the Service Manual available right now, so I can't tell you which screw it is. The main thing is: PLEASE DON'T START ADJUSTING EVERY SCREW TO TRY TO GET THE SOUND BETTER. Hopefully, this one has not been "fiddled" with and is reasonably close to proper adjustments. Other than that, ENJOY the BX-300! Have a great weekend, Kent Merideth >>> gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com 05/23/03 02:08PM >>> I just started looking at the mechanicals of my new-to-me BX-300. This is the first 3 head deck I have played with. I guess I was expecting each head (record, play, & erase) to be in a different cassette well, but it appears that the record and play heads go into the same well. Is this true of all 3 head decks? Also, what is meant by the "Discrete Head" buzzword as applied to this deck? Gary -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stan.targowski at attbi.com Fri May 23 23:00:20 2003 From: stan.targowski at attbi.com (Stan Targowski) Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 16:00:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Three head decks - dumb question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I just looked at my CR-4, and the heads are clearly discrete. Each head, erease, recording and playback are in separate (discrete) housing - I assume that what you mean by "cassette well". A picture is worth a 1,000 words, right, look at K.J.'s site where there is a picture of discrete 3 head setup of a ZX-9 - is this what you have http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakzx9e.html? Stan -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com Sent: Fri, May 23, 2003 2:08 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Three head decks - dumb question I just started looking at the mechanicals of my new-to-me BX-300. This is the first 3 head deck I have played with. I guess I was expecting each head (record, play, & erase) to be in a different cassette well, but it appears that the record and play heads go into the same well. Is this true of all 3 head decks? Also, what is meant by the "Discrete Head" buzzword as applied to this deck? Gary -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marcdenis at iquebec.com Sat May 24 13:24:40 2003 From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis) Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 07:24:40 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Three head decks - dumb question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20030524070009.02637f00@pop.iquebec.com> At 14:08 2003/05/23 -0500, you wrote: >I just started looking at the mechanicals of my new-to-me BX-300. This is >the first 3 head deck I have played with. I guess I was expecting each >head (record, play, & erase) to be in a different cassette well, but it >appears that the record and play heads go into the same well. Is this true >of all 3 head decks? Also, what is meant by the "Discrete Head" buzzword >as applied to this deck? The cassette well was designed for inexpensive two-head machines. You have to remember that the cassette medium was intended for voice (e.g. dictation) and lo-fi music reproduction when it was created. The Model 1000 changed this perception when it was introduced in 1973. Its "Discrete Head" head design was much more than a buzzword. It has three main advantages: -allows for each head to have its design optimized for its intended purpose; -allows for each head to be aligned separately (by comparison, sandwich Rec/PB head design where the two heads are welded together does not allow for separate adjustment of the two heads; problem with sandwich construction is that although the two heads may be _mechanically_ aligned relative to each other at the factory, they are rarely _magnetically_ aligned and this cannot be corrected afterwards because moving one head also causes to move the other); -allows for true off-tape monitoring while recording. Enjoy your BX-300. -Marc From kemppie at studenten.net Sat May 24 21:07:56 2003 From: kemppie at studenten.net (LEW Kempkes) Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 21:07:56 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Message-ID: <001e01c32227$c9aaf8c0$4107c5d5@lk> Hallo, I' am about to buy a ZX-7. Could anyone tell me whether this is a good deck. Has anyone experience with this deck ? Or could I better buy a BX 300E of CR-7E. First one is cheaper and the last much higher in price. Thanks Kemppie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kemppie at studenten.net Sat May 24 21:27:21 2003 From: kemppie at studenten.net (LEW Kempkes) Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 21:27:21 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] High Com II Message-ID: <003201c3222a$801c1240$4107c5d5@lk> Hallo, Is a High Com II still useful when recording tapes from CD or is the B and C noise reduction on de cassette-deck sufficient. If not, how does it works Kemppie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat May 24 21:29:30 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 20:29:30 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette In-Reply-To: <001e01c32227$c9aaf8c0$4107c5d5@lk> Message-ID: <000501c3222a$cc5502c0$f7814c51@oemcomputer> Which is the better will probably depend which has been serviced and calibrated most recently! However, if all the above is present and correct, you should find the ZX-7 is the better of the two in terms of sonic performance and giving you the ability to create very fine recordings. I am told that the 680 offers similar performance (and facilities) and can sometimes be found for less money - so, that may be worth considering, too. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of LEW Kempkes Sent: 24 May 2003 20:08 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Hallo, I' am about to buy a ZX-7. Could anyone tell me whether this is a good deck. Has anyone experience with this deck ? Or could I better buy a BX 300E of CR-7E. First one is cheaper and the last much higher in price. Thanks Kemppie --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.483 / Virus Database: 279 - Release Date: 19/05/03 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stan.targowski at attbi.com Sat May 24 21:32:03 2003 From: stan.targowski at attbi.com (Stan Targowski) Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 14:32:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette (BX300 vs ZX-7, vs. CR7) In-Reply-To: <001e01c32227$c9aaf8c0$4107c5d5@lk> Message-ID: Assuming the same condition, I would buy ZX-7. Mainly to the fact that ZX series is very well respected, and the deck has custom calibration controls for each tape type and channel (400/15000Hz test tones )- i.e., you would be able to match it to more or less any tape type.(Calibration is available in CR7, but not in BX-300 which just has a bias control.) CR-7 is the best of the three, it is the newest model of them all, yet it is the most expensive, and has the most complex controls (driven by a computer - so easy on the user, but case anything goes wrong ...). Both BX-300 and CR7 offer direct drive motors, whilst the ZX-7 has a belt driven one. However, a DD version of ZX-7, named ZX-9 often times sells for more than CR-7. Taking aside older 1000ZXL/700ZXL (expensive to own due to age and parts scarcity), CR7 and ZX9 are typically considered the best sounding decks Nakamichi has ever made. My $0..02 ... Stan -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of LEW Kempkes Sent: Sat, May 24, 2003 2:08 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Hallo, I' am about to buy a ZX-7. Could anyone tell me whether this is a good deck. Has anyone experience with this deck ? Or could I better buy a BX 300E of CR-7E. First one is cheaper and the last much higher in price. Thanks Kemppie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stan.targowski at attbi.com Sat May 24 21:41:57 2003 From: stan.targowski at attbi.com (Stan Targowski) Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 14:41:57 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] High Com II In-Reply-To: <003201c3222a$801c1240$4107c5d5@lk> Message-ID: If you will be recording and playing back your tapes on the same deck, you may want to experiment with High Com. As soon as you try to exchange tapes, play in the car, etc. you may be in trouble with this NR. - Many purists record without any noise reduction system. Thinking being that you simlify the signal path. - Dolby B is typically more forgiving when using on different machines. - Dolby C, especially in high end Nakamichi units is very good, and you may achieve wonderful results. There were recently some posts regarding wonderful sound utilizing High Com II on a Nak, so I am sure you will hear about it soon. Bottom line, it all depends on your other equipment (amp, speakers, etc.), but recordings made on my CR-4 Dolby C and say Maxell XL-II/Maxell MX-S tape sound as good as the source (SONY XA-20ES CD, and Adcom 5500/565 amplification, MIT wiring, and Mirage speakers.) Stan -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of LEW Kempkes Sent: Sat, May 24, 2003 2:27 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] High Com II Hallo, Is a High Com II still useful when recording tapes from CD or is the B and C noise reduction on de cassette-deck sufficient. If not, how does it works Kemppie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From RobertGillespie at f2s.com Sat May 24 11:56:27 2003 From: RobertGillespie at f2s.com (Robert Gillespie) Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 10:56:27 +0100 (BST) Subject: [naktalk] New Member with questions Message-ID: <200305240956.h4O9uRd15693@mailhost.blueyonder.co.uk> Hi All, I would like to intoduce myself to the list, I live in London and have a 580M which was purchased new in 1980. This deck has always amazed me and my friends with the quality of recordings it produces ! Now the questions, with apologies if the are common knowledge, but the list does not have a search engine !! My deck has stopped recording and I am speaking to B&W in Worthing about repair/service in the next few weeks. The service people said that for early models of the 580M (like mine) they have problems getting hold of replacement pinch rollers. I have regularly cleaned my deck and I think the rollers were replaced a few years ago (+5?) by them. Are the rollers available in any other country? A couple of the button LED's have been dead for a long time, are these replaceable? What about the record/balence/output pots, mine are a bit crackly sometimes. I have been using mostly TDK-SA with some MA and a few MA-XG (the old metal bodies), are these still the best tapes for my 580M or have other people found other makes better? Are the MA-XG's on ebay worth the price over MA's for the 580M Does anybody know the specific changes in the production run of the 580M (ie pinch rollers etc.etc.) as I may look out for an early/dead/cheap 580 for spares for my 580M. Finally, somewhere I have a service manual for the 580M would anyone be interested in bits from this at a later date? Regards and thanks to all Rob Robert Gillespie From marcdenis at iquebec.com Sun May 25 04:26:55 2003 From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis) Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 22:26:55 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette In-Reply-To: <001e01c32227$c9aaf8c0$4107c5d5@lk> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20030524221415.02a972d0@pop.iquebec.com> At 21:07 2003/05/24 +0200, you wrote: >Hallo, > >I' am about to buy a ZX-7. Could anyone tell me whether this is a good deck. >Has anyone experience with this deck ? > >Or could I better buy a BX 300E of CR-7E. >First one is cheaper and the last much higher in price. BX-300, although a solid performer, is not overall in the same league as ZX-7/CR-7. It is well built but it lacks features when you compare it to the other two. Between ZX-7 and CR-7, it is not as clear cut. If you already own a fair bit of recorded cassettes, the CR-7 has a definite advantage with its user adjustable playback azimuth. CR-7 is also easier to use with its auto-calibration and has a few other goodies such as wireless remote control and real-time counter. Historically, CR-7 replaced ZX-7 in the product range. However, some people prefer the fully manual approach of the ZX-7. From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Sun May 25 08:55:44 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 16:55:44 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] New Member with questions Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02202032@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Robert, welcome to the group. The 580M is quite a nice machine (wish I had one - love those analog meters). I would like to ask you first does the unit play at all. If you are able to play but not record then my guess would be there is a small belt that is slipping, this belt is used by the cam motor which controls the mechanism (puts it in play or rew etc, etc). The belt need to be healthy enough to turn the gears just that little bit further for the record mode, the mechanism has to pull a small metal cable that goes back to a slider switch that is mounted on the main pcb. If there is not enough torque to pull the cable then record mode will not engage. The second guess is that the record tab sensor switch located above the tape well is not working correctly, that is worth taking a look too. But my final guess would be the lamps (leds) you mentioned, I know some models in the Nak range stop behaving themselves due to the dead bulbs. Yes these bulbs are replaceable and I recommend that you replace them both for cosmetics and electronic purposes. The voltage and current rating of these bulbs are 12 volt 25 milliamp and are the size of a grain of rice. I don't know why the pinch rollers need to be replaced, I own several Nak decks and they are easily 15 years plus in age and their pinch rollers never needed replacing The pots can be easily cleaned with a contact cleaner spray obtainable from most electronic stores, a quick spray with the stuff and while you are spraying turn the knobs repeatedly, this will loosen and help the chemical penetrate the surface of the pots. The question that you ask about the tapes usually is an opening for a nice debate on this list. I own many brands and models from the 70's, 80's and 90's, on all my Nak decks they sound great. I use TDK, Maxell, Sony and BASF, but I tend to lean towards the Maxells and TDK's (BASF come a close second). The Maxell tapes are great no matter what age they are (XLII, XLIIS, MX and so forth), the TDK's are great too. I own the first, second and third generation MA-XG, for looks the first and second kick butt, but all are great both in sound and mechanics. I find that MA-XG or MA-R tapes on e-bay tend to be a little over priced, I spotted 6 MA-R tapes still in their wrappers for 100 dollars US! I would suggest you try Maxell's range of chrome and metal (if you can get them still), I guarantee you won't be disappointed. Your 580M is calibratable to work with just about anything you can throw at it. Your offer for the service manual is much appreciated here at Naktalk, what we tend to do is scan the entire manual in Adobe acrobat (PDF format), and submitting it to the site. Let us know if you are willing to do this because I don't know what the status of out downloads section is at, our super hero, pal and web site owner Wouter is working on modifying the site and will let us know when he is finished. Finally I would like to say, get that unit repaired - any Nak is worth repairing! Regards, Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Robert Gillespie [mailto:RobertGillespie at f2s.com] Sent: Saturday, 24 May 2003 7:56 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] New Member with questions Hi All, I would like to intoduce myself to the list, I live in London and have a 580M which was purchased new in 1980. This deck has always amazed me and my friends with the quality of recordings it produces ! Now the questions, with apologies if the are common knowledge, but the list does not have a search engine !! My deck has stopped recording and I am speaking to B&W in Worthing about repair/service in the next few weeks. The service people said that for early models of the 580M (like mine) they have problems getting hold of replacement pinch rollers. I have regularly cleaned my deck and I think the rollers were replaced a few years ago (+5?) by them. Are the rollers available in any other country? A couple of the button LED's have been dead for a long time, are these replaceable? What about the record/balence/output pots, mine are a bit crackly sometimes. I have been using mostly TDK-SA with some MA and a few MA-XG (the old metal bodies), are these still the best tapes for my 580M or have other people found other makes better? Are the MA-XG's on ebay worth the price over MA's for the 580M Does anybody know the specific changes in the production run of the 580M (ie pinch rollers etc.etc.) as I may look out for an early/dead/cheap 580 for spares for my 580M. Finally, somewhere I have a service manual for the 580M would anyone be interested in bits from this at a later date? Regards and thanks to all Rob Robert Gillespie ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Sun May 25 09:23:17 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 17:23:17 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] High Com II Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02202034@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Kemppie. I don't know the technicals about Highcom II but it simply sounds better that Dolby B & C due to its very low noise floor (virtually no hiss). Only problem is that the recordings need to be played back on a machine with Highcom II noise reduction, it will sound funny without it. Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: LEW Kempkes [mailto:kemppie at studenten.net] Sent: Sunday, 25 May 2003 5:27 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] High Com II Hallo, Is a High Com II still useful when recording tapes from CD or is the B and C noise reduction on de cassette-deck sufficient. If not, how does it works Kemppie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Sun May 25 09:29:41 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 17:29:41 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] FW: Postal service Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02202035@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Thanks Adam for both the compliment and the info. Take care, Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Adam Yousuf [mailto:adamyh at mac.com] Sent: Friday, 23 May 2003 9:18 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] FW: Postal service You are absolutely correct. I just sent a package via DHL today and it is usually over night service but I found out that it would take 5 days. This is from HK to India. Saw your Naks on Blues page. Nice sound system! Adam On Friday, May 23, 2003, at 02:42 PM, Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > Hi all. I would like to ask all of you (especially the Australian Nak > brothers) if you have had noticed that sending money orders or even > letters > from one state to another is taking longer and longer. > > Sorry for the off topic. > > Regards, > > Tom Siomopoulos > ========--------------------------------------------------------------- > ---========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------------- > ---========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun May 25 12:45:04 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 11:45:04 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Talk In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02202032@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <001501c322aa$b3754e60$409687d9@oemcomputer> Guys I was wondering why I'd not heard anything from Audio Talk for a while and just tried to post a question there. It bounced! " ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- (reason: 553 5.3.5 system config error)" Anyone else had the same problem? Am I using the wrong address?? Gra' PS My post was a question about ReVox tuners. Copy attached for those who want to see it and reply off-List: "Guys, Any thoughts on which are/were the better ReVox tuners? B-260 at the top? Where does the B-261 and the B-760 sit in the rankings? Graham" --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.483 / Virus Database: 279 - Release Date: 19/05/03 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Sun May 25 13:15:07 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 21:15:07 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Talk Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02202037@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Yep, me too Gra' . Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Graham Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, 25 May 2003 8:45 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Cc: Wouter Heijke Subject: [naktalk] Audio Talk Guys I was wondering why I'd not heard anything from Audio Talk for a while and just tried to post a question there. It bounced! " ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- (reason: 553 5.3.5 system config error)" Anyone else had the same problem? Am I using the wrong address?? Gra' PS My post was a question about ReVox tuners. Copy attached for those who want to see it and reply off-List: "Guys, Any thoughts on which are/were the better ReVox tuners? B-260 at the top? Where does the B-261 and the B-760 sit in the rankings? Graham" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun May 25 15:54:03 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 20:54:03 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Talk References: <001501c322aa$b3754e60$409687d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <000e01c322c5$1a93c760$09299bca@smarzuki> If I may add to Graham's question, how does the B160 differs from B260 ? Is it a low end model or a 'CR4' in Revox tuner line ? Thanks Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Cc: Wouter Heijke Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2003 5:45 PM Subject: [naktalk] Audio Talk Guys I was wondering why I'd not heard anything from Audio Talk for a while and just tried to post a question there. It bounced! " ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- (reason: 553 5.3.5 system config error)" Anyone else had the same problem? Am I using the wrong address?? Gra' PS My post was a question about ReVox tuners. Copy attached for those who want to see it and reply off-List: "Guys, Any thoughts on which are/were the better ReVox tuners? B-260 at the top? Where does the B-261 and the B-760 sit in the rankings? Graham" From britri at pacbell.net Sun May 25 04:41:01 2003 From: britri at pacbell.net (Brian Stocker) Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 19:41:01 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Talk References: <001501c322aa$b3754e60$409687d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3ED02D3D.4BF121EE@pacbell.net> Graham, I have not heard anything from audiotalk either. I miss the analog, audio related discussions that this group used to have but appreciate remaining on topic for Naktalk. Does anybody know if some other group exists where the Naktalk passion for all good things audio has gone? Brian Graham Nelson wrote: > > > Guys > > I was wondering why I'd not heard anything from Audio Talk for a while > and just tried to post a question there. It bounced! > > " ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > > (reason: 553 5.3.5 system config error)" > > Anyone else had the same problem? Am I using the wrong address?? > > Gra' > > PS > My post was a question about ReVox tuners. Copy attached for those > who want to see it and reply off-List: > "Guys, Any thoughts on which are/were the better ReVox tuners? B-260 > at the top? Where does the B-261 and the B-760 sit in the rankings? > Graham" > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun May 25 18:10:30 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 23:10:30 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: OMS-7AII References: <1a4.14d66519.2bff211c@aol.com> Message-ID: <001a01c322d8$2a1056a0$09299bca@smarzuki> Hi Jose, Have you make sure that the laser tray can move freely along its rail ? Sometimes there's 'gunk' on the long plastic gear which can make player skips. More likely on newer philips cdm mechanism than on OMS 7, but I do remember OMS tracking problem which went away after replacing a loose laser tray belt. Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Jo2jo64 at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 2:00 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: OMS-7AII To depart for a moment from the Nak-Tape strain if I may, there is a lot of knowledge being exchanged here so I have a question. I recently purchased this marvelous-sounding CD player. It works well, a bit noisy on the tray department. I can live with that. Invariably, after about one hour of continuous playing, a crackling noise loose-wire- type comes out of the speakers, then silence for one second, then it goes back to the previous track and it plays for a while without any problems. Does anyone know what's ailing my CD player? It's not the cables or the system, I think is tracking. I heard that this unit can track even track the badly damaged CDs. I haven't tried one yet. The noise is made with new CDs. Thanks for any guidance. Ron...are you still there? Regards to all, Jose Cigno From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun May 25 18:13:46 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 23:13:46 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Three head decks - dumb question References: <4.3.2.7.2.20030524070009.02637f00@pop.iquebec.com> Message-ID: <001d01c322d8$9f09b640$09299bca@smarzuki> Hi Marc, Could you please tell more about this magnetically oriented on heads ? Also how does Nak prevent such misalignment ? Thanks in advance, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Marc Denis To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2003 6:24 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Three head decks - dumb question At 14:08 2003/05/23 -0500, you wrote: >I just started looking at the mechanicals of my new-to-me BX-300. This is >the first 3 head deck I have played with. I guess I was expecting each >head (record, play, & erase) to be in a different cassette well, but it >appears that the record and play heads go into the same well. Is this true >of all 3 head decks? Also, what is meant by the "Discrete Head" buzzword >as applied to this deck? The cassette well was designed for inexpensive two-head machines. You have to remember that the cassette medium was intended for voice (e.g. dictation) and lo-fi music reproduction when it was created. The Model 1000 changed this perception when it was introduced in 1973. Its "Discrete Head" head design was much more than a buzzword. It has three main advantages: -allows for each head to have its design optimized for its intended purpose; -allows for each head to be aligned separately (by comparison, sandwich Rec/PB head design where the two heads are welded together does not allow for separate adjustment of the two heads; problem with sandwich construction is that although the two heads may be _mechanically_ aligned relative to each other at the factory, they are rarely _magnetically_ aligned and this cannot be corrected afterwards because moving one head also causes to move the other); -allows for true off-tape monitoring while recording. Enjoy your BX-300. -Marc From Jo2jo64 at aol.com Sun May 25 18:09:42 2003 From: Jo2jo64 at aol.com (Jo2jo64 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 12:09:42 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Re: OMS-7AII Message-ID: <1df.9a7215f.2c0244c6@aol.com> Hi Salim: Thanks for the tip. I will investigate the avenue. It sounds like maintenance time and not funeral parlor. lol Regards, Jose -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ezio.lucenti2 at virgilio.it Sun May 25 18:14:28 2003 From: ezio.lucenti2 at virgilio.it (Ezio) Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 18:14:28 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: OMS-7AII In-Reply-To: <001a01c322d8$2a1056a0$09299bca@smarzuki> References: <1a4.14d66519.2bff211c@aol.com> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030525181157.02814dc0@in.virgilio.it> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Jo2jo64 at aol.com Sun May 25 18:15:37 2003 From: Jo2jo64 at aol.com (Jo2jo64 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 12:15:37 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Re: OMS-7AII Message-ID: <1ce.a6df213.2c024629@aol.com> Thanks Ezio. Good point. I recently bought the unit and the owner reminded me to loosen the screws which I did....I thought! It may need one more turn. Funny but this happens always, after about one hour of playing and not before! Regards, Jose -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Mon May 26 04:29:25 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 07:59:25 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Three head decks - dumb question Message-ID: <20030526022925.E7017114966@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From timbarrett at cox.net Mon May 26 05:57:29 2003 From: timbarrett at cox.net (timbarrett at cox.net) Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 23:57:29 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Three head decks - dumb question In-Reply-To: <20030526022925.E7017114966@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <3ED15869.3008.2CCE2FC@localhost> Well now I'm confused. It is my understanding that when you align the play head to the signal recorded on the tape by it's neighboring record head, you are in fact aligning the physical gap of the play head to the physical gap of the record head. This alignment is one of physical parallelism. Where does a magnetic alignment come into play, and how does it manifest itself when it is incorrect? Regards, Tim On 26 May 2003 at 7:59, kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > Salim > Nakamichi claims that physical orientation between record head and > play head (physical positioning of Magnetic material gap on play head > and record head )does not gaurantee magnetically correct orientation. > By aligning the head on the actual recording machine by recording a > signal and watching the playback form and then aligning the > orientation - that is what you do in aligning Nak decks as per service > manual - ensures the correct orientation between these two heads! The > sandwitched ( play / record seperate ) heads used by other > mnanufacturers cannot gaurantee accurate magnetic orientation as they > cannot be moved after making them. Here mis alignment may be in > microns due to manufacturing tolerances! Kannan > > > smarzuki at indosat.net.id wrote > > Hi Marc, > > Could you please tell more about this magnetically oriented on heads ? > Also how does Nak prevent such misalignment ? > > Thanks in advance, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Marc Denis > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2003 6:24 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Three head decks - dumb question > > > At 14:08 2003/05/23 -0500, you wrote: > > >I just started looking at the mechanicals of my new-to-me BX-300. > >This is the first 3 head deck I have played with. I guess I was > >expecting each head (record, play, & erase) to be in a different > >cassette well, but it appears that the record and play heads go into > >the same well. Is this true of all 3 head decks? Also, what is meant > >by the "Discrete Head" buzzword as applied to this deck? > > The cassette well was designed for inexpensive two-head machines. You > have to remember that the cassette medium was intended for voice (e.g. > dictation) and lo-fi music reproduction when it was created. The Model > 1000 changed this perception when it was introduced in 1973. Its > "Discrete Head" head design was much more than a buzzword. It has > three main advantages: > > -allows for each head to have its design optimized for its intended > purpose; -allows for each head to be aligned separately (by > comparison, sandwich Rec/PB head design where the two heads are welded > together does not allow for separate adjustment of the two heads; > problem with sandwich construction is that although the two heads may > be _mechanically_ aligned relative to each other at the factory, they > are rarely _magnetically_ aligned and this cannot be corrected > afterwards because moving one head also causes to move the other); > -allows for true off-tape monitoring while recording. > > Enjoy your BX-300. > > -Marc > > > > ========-------------------------------------------------------------- > ----========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========-------------------------------------------------------------- > ----========= > > > ========-------------------------------------------------------------- > ----========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========-------------------------------------------------------------- > ----========= From hardouin at intnet.mu Mon May 26 08:40:44 2003 From: hardouin at intnet.mu (Christian Hardouin) Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 10:40:44 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI TD 700 I Message-ID: <010401c32351$bc4a1280$0100a8c6@darwin> Hi, To all those who maight help me.I own a TD700 mark 1 cassette and would like to know where parts can be obtained .I have a definite problem on the main PCB otherwise evrything is ok.I have in the past obr=tained parts from Japan.Do they still supply them.I would klike to know if this part can be obtaiend elsewhere from an old machine broken down. Many thanks for your replies. email me at hardouin at intnet.mu Tahnks again Chris -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From timb at hunterlab.com Sun May 25 19:53:01 2003 From: timb at hunterlab.com (timb at hunterlab.com) Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 13:53:01 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: OMS-7AII In-Reply-To: <1ce.a6df213.2c024629@aol.com> Message-ID: <3ED0CABD.4537.A36220@localhost> This is a totally out-of-left-field observation, but your complaint of the loud static crackle appearing after a fixed length of time reminded me of a similar problem I had observed on a few turntables many years ago. After some playing time, there would be a loud pop and crackle from the speakers. I finally found the problem after turning the lights out and watching...... and observed the small arc of a static discharge from the surface of the record to the stylus shaft. Adding a ground wire from the platter bearing housing to the turntable chassis fixed the problem. I only saw this symptom in the winter when the air was very dry. I only wonder if a similar mechanism could be at hand on the CD transport. I have no familiarity with this model or it's transport at all. tim On 25 May 2003 at 12:15, Jo2jo64 at aol.com wrote: > > Thanks Ezio. Good point. > > I recently bought the unit and the owner reminded me to loosen the screws which I did....I > thought! It may need one more turn. > Funny but this happens always, after about one hour of playing and not before! > > Regards, > > Jose From dunkirkcan at hotmail.com Mon May 26 10:50:56 2003 From: dunkirkcan at hotmail.com (Duncan Kirkwood) Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 09:50:56 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 Message-ID: Hi , I am a new Nakamichi userand have a CR7 deck which I have only used a few times with pre recorded commercial tapes. The CR7 was purchased from a reputable dealer and I was advised it has been serviced. The sound seemed to 'waver'somewhat on one tape I played ... a mild slowish vibrato effect. And on another tape it sounded ok at first and then descended into a 'dog yawn' ... like a 78rpm record getting slower and slower ... but then with another tape it sounded ok. All my tapes are secondhand ex library purchases. Could the problem be my tapes maybe wound too tightly? Or is it the tape transport on the deck? ... or both? Hope someone can offer some advice ... I am not very knowledgeable about audio matters. Thanks from Duncan K , Peterborough UK _________________________________________________________________ Tired of 56k? Get a FREE BT Broadband connection http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband From dunkirkcan at hotmail.com Mon May 26 10:51:20 2003 From: dunkirkcan at hotmail.com (Duncan Kirkwood) Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 09:51:20 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 Message-ID: Hi , I am a new Nakamichi userand have a CR7 deck which I have only used a few times with pre recorded commercial tapes. The CR7 was purchased from a reputable dealer and I was advised it has been serviced. The sound seemed to 'waver'somewhat on one tape I played ... a mild slowish vibrato effect. And on another tape it sounded ok at first and then descended into a 'dog yawn' ... like a 78rpm record getting slower and slower ... but then with another tape it sounded ok. All my tapes are secondhand ex library purchases. Could the problem be my tapes maybe wound too tightly? Or is it the tape transport on the deck? ... or both? Hope someone can offer some advice ... I am not very knowledgeable about audio matters. Thanks from Duncan K , Peterborough UK _________________________________________________________________ Find a cheaper internet access deal - choose one to suit you. http://www.msn.co.uk/internetaccess From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon May 26 11:34:19 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 10:34:19 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c32369$fbe60580$79844c51@oemcomputer> Duncan For a quick check, buy yourself a tape from Tesco or whoever is your local supermarket and record any music onto it from your CD or tuner or whatever. Replay the tape. Does it have that same effect? If yes, you've got a problem! If it doesn't, it's probably the second hand tapes. The consider: Is it always the SAME tapes that sound bad? Or, do some of those tapes sometimes sound okay and other times not? If it's always the same tapes, throw them away. It may also be a problem with the cassette mechanism, jamming up. In which case, you could try transferring the tape spools to a fresh empty cassette. Given you are only using old, second hand library tapes, I would also recommend cleaning the machine between each use of these tapes. Being old and well used, they are highly likely to be flaky, dropping oxide around inside your lovely machine ... Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Duncan Kirkwood > Sent: 26 May 2003 09:51 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 > > > Hi , I am a new Nakamichi userand have a CR7 deck which I have > only used a > few times with pre recorded commercial tapes. The CR7 was > purchased from a > reputable dealer and I was advised it has been serviced. The > sound seemed to > 'waver'somewhat on one tape I played ... a mild slowish vibrato > effect. And > on another tape it sounded ok at first and then descended into a > 'dog yawn' > ... like a 78rpm record getting slower and slower ... but then > with another > tape it sounded ok. All my tapes are secondhand ex library > purchases. Could > the problem be my tapes maybe wound too tightly? Or is it the > tape transport > on the deck? ... or both? > > Hope someone can offer some advice ... I am not very knowledgeable about > audio matters. > > Thanks from Duncan K , Peterborough UK > > _________________________________________________________________ > Find a cheaper internet access deal - choose one to suit you. > http://www.msn.co.uk/internetaccess > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.483 / Virus Database: 279 - Release Date: 19/05/03 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.483 / Virus Database: 279 - Release Date: 19/05/03 From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon May 26 15:37:43 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 20:37:43 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 References: Message-ID: <002701c3238b$fc8c8640$f0299bca@smarzuki> Hi Duncan, Sounds very much like our regular sticking capstans ! Here's Ron's post on this matter ... it won't hurt to lube your CR7 anyway: Good luck, SM --------- This may be of interest to owners of Nakamichi decks that utilize the Sankyo transport (CR and BX series, MR-1). Capstan motor of this transport (at least, in the CR-7) is specified to consume 54mA. Increased current consumption may indicate need for service (cleaning and lubrication). As old timers may recall, this was subject of discussion some time ago. Since I just managed to get my hands on a 'new' (to me) MR-1, I thought it would be interesting to check the capstan motor. Speed was 0.2% fast. Current was 87mA. Normally, I would take the thing apart, clean the capstan bushings and lubricate correctly. However, the deck seemed very clean. So, I followed Salim's suggestion and simply applied one drop of light machine oil to each capstan base, just under the oil retaining washer. I then pulled and pushed each capstan, to disperse the oil over the bushing. I followed with thorough cleaning of the capstans, to ensure that no oil could get on the tape. Believe it or not, the current dropped to 50mA. My conclusion is that even simple lubrication is very beneficial. (BTW, speed was still 0.2% fast). Seems to me Sankyo capstan motors will benefit from periodic lubrication of the capstans bushings; probably, about once a year. I will still do a complete disassembly/cleaning every couple of years or so. -- Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: Duncan Kirkwood To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 3:51 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7 Hi , I am a new Nakamichi userand have a CR7 deck which I have only used a few times with pre recorded commercial tapes. The CR7 was purchased from a reputable dealer and I was advised it has been serviced. The sound seemed to 'waver'somewhat on one tape I played ... a mild slowish vibrato effect. And on another tape it sounded ok at first and then descended into a 'dog yawn' ... like a 78rpm record getting slower and slower ... but then with another tape it sounded ok. All my tapes are secondhand ex library purchases. Could the problem be my tapes maybe wound too tightly? Or is it the tape transport on the deck? ... or both? Hope someone can offer some advice ... I am not very knowledgeable about audio matters. Thanks from Duncan K , Peterborough UK From Jo2jo64 at aol.com Mon May 26 19:32:08 2003 From: Jo2jo64 at aol.com (Jo2jo64 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 13:32:08 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Re: OMS-7AII Message-ID: <1e6.99acfe5.2c03a998@aol.com> Your observation is well noted Tim. Thanks. I will get my lightning rod out of the closet and put it outside. lol. Just kidding. I will be taking the unit to have it serviced. The tech did some pretty good work on my Naks, we'll see what he can do with my CD player. Thanks again -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marcdenis at iquebec.com Mon May 26 23:58:22 2003 From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis) Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 17:58:22 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Three head decks - dumb question In-Reply-To: <3ED15869.3008.2CCE2FC@localhost> References: <20030526022925.E7017114966@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20030526172956.00d6bc20@pop.iquebec.com> Salim and Tim, call the alignment magnetic or physical, the end result is the same. We want record and playback azimuth to match with each other, as Tim correctly said. However, at the manufacturing level, we are dealing with tiny parts (coils and the likes) inside the heads housings that apparently cannot physically be positioned perfectly. At this level, very small errors make a huge sonic difference as you are well aware. Therefore, we have to rely on the electro-magnetic characteristics of the heads by actually recording and playing a _magnetic_ signal through them to align the deck. That's why Kannan and I were talking about magnetic alignment rather than physical alignment. With Nak decks, this is no problem since each head can be moved separately. With sandwich construction, you are stuck with the factory alignment inside the housing since each head cannot be moved separately. That is, you can adjust record or playback azimuth at its best, but not both. Makes more sense now? At 23:57 2003/05/25 -0400, you wrote: >Well now I'm confused. It is my understanding that when you align the >play head to the signal recorded on the tape by it's neighboring record >head, you are in fact aligning the physical gap of the play head to the >physical gap of the record head. This alignment is one of physical >parallelism. Where does a magnetic alignment come into play, and how >does it manifest itself when it is incorrect? > >Regards, >Tim > >On 26 May 2003 at 7:59, kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > > > Salim > > Nakamichi claims that physical orientation between record head and > > play head (physical positioning of Magnetic material gap on play head > > and record head )does not gaurantee magnetically correct orientation. > > By aligning the head on the actual recording machine by recording a > > signal and watching the playback form and then aligning the > > orientation - that is what you do in aligning Nak decks as per service > > manual - ensures the correct orientation between these two heads! The > > sandwitched ( play / record seperate ) heads used by other > > mnanufacturers cannot gaurantee accurate magnetic orientation as they > > cannot be moved after making them. Here mis alignment may be in > > microns due to manufacturing tolerances! Kannan > > > > > > smarzuki at indosat.net.id wrote > > > > Hi Marc, > > > > Could you please tell more about this magnetically oriented on heads ? > > Also how does Nak prevent such misalignment ? > > > > Thanks in advance, > > Salim SM > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Marc Denis > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2003 6:24 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Three head decks - dumb question > > > > > > At 14:08 2003/05/23 -0500, you wrote: > > > > >I just started looking at the mechanicals of my new-to-me BX-300. > > >This is the first 3 head deck I have played with. I guess I was > > >expecting each head (record, play, & erase) to be in a different > > >cassette well, but it appears that the record and play heads go into > > >the same well. Is this true of all 3 head decks? Also, what is meant > > >by the "Discrete Head" buzzword as applied to this deck? > > > > The cassette well was designed for inexpensive two-head machines. You > > have to remember that the cassette medium was intended for voice (e.g. > > dictation) and lo-fi music reproduction when it was created. The Model > > 1000 changed this perception when it was introduced in 1973. Its > > "Discrete Head" head design was much more than a buzzword. It has > > three main advantages: > > > > -allows for each head to have its design optimized for its intended > > purpose; -allows for each head to be aligned separately (by > > comparison, sandwich Rec/PB head design where the two heads are welded > > together does not allow for separate adjustment of the two heads; > > problem with sandwich construction is that although the two heads may > > be _mechanically_ aligned relative to each other at the factory, they > > are rarely _magnetically_ aligned and this cannot be corrected > > afterwards because moving one head also causes to move the other); > > -allows for true off-tape monitoring while recording. > > > > Enjoy your BX-300. > > > > -Marc > > > > > > > > ========-------------------------------------------------------------- > > ----========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========-------------------------------------------------------------- > > ----========= > > > > > > ========-------------------------------------------------------------- > > ----========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========-------------------------------------------------------------- > > ----========= > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >_____________________________________________________________________ >Envie de discuter en "live" avec vos amis ? Télécharger MSN Messenger >http://www.ifrance.com/_reloc/m la 1ère messagerie instantanée de France From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue May 27 00:25:45 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 23:25:45 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Three head decks - dumb question In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20030526172956.00d6bc20@pop.iquebec.com> Message-ID: <000301c323d5$bff1b1c0$1b7f893e@oemcomputer> Crystal for me - thanks Marc. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Marc Denis > Sent: 26 May 2003 22:58 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Three head decks - dumb question > > > Salim and Tim, > > call the alignment magnetic or physical, the end result is the same. We > want record and playback azimuth to match with each other, as Tim > correctly > said. However, at the manufacturing level, we are dealing with tiny parts > (coils and the likes) inside the heads housings that apparently cannot > physically be positioned perfectly. At this level, very small > errors make a > huge sonic difference as you are well aware. Therefore, we have > to rely on > the electro-magnetic characteristics of the heads by actually > recording and > playing a _magnetic_ signal through them to align the deck. That's why > Kannan and I were talking about magnetic alignment rather than physical > alignment. With Nak decks, this is no problem since each head can > be moved > separately. With sandwich construction, you are stuck with the factory > alignment inside the housing since each head cannot be moved separately. > That is, you can adjust record or playback azimuth at its best, but not > both. Makes more sense now? > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.483 / Virus Database: 279 - Release Date: 19/05/03 From hifiman at dsl.pipex.com Tue May 27 00:56:47 2003 From: hifiman at dsl.pipex.com (Hifiman) Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 23:56:47 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Talk In-Reply-To: <000e01c322c5$1a93c760$09299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: You are right i that the B160 is a cut down version of the 260. In practice I believe there is little in it between the two. The 260 has 60 !! presets. My 160 has only (30!!) -compare that to the 7 on my Quad! In addition I know the 260 has a facility for 2 aerials -with each preset it is possible to define which aerial is to be used (as well as various other parameters). Neale -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Salim Marzuki Sent: 25 May 2003 14:54 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Cc: audiotalk-request at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Audio Talk If I may add to Graham's question, how does the B160 differs from B260 ? Is it a low end model or a 'CR4' in Revox tuner line ? Thanks Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Cc: Wouter Heijke Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2003 5:45 PM Subject: [naktalk] Audio Talk Guys I was wondering why I'd not heard anything from Audio Talk for a while and just tried to post a question there. It bounced! " ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- (reason: 553 5.3.5 system config error)" Anyone else had the same problem? Am I using the wrong address?? Gra' PS My post was a question about ReVox tuners. Copy attached for those who want to see it and reply off-List: "Guys, Any thoughts on which are/were the better ReVox tuners? B-260 at the top? Where does the B-261 and the B-760 sit in the rankings? Graham" ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From hifiman at dsl.pipex.com Tue May 27 02:50:42 2003 From: hifiman at dsl.pipex.com (Hifiman) Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 01:50:42 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Manuals... Message-ID: Prompted to send this after it took just 20mins from listing High Com on ebay to getting a request from someone for a copy of the manual ...& on checking this guy ....just sells manuals on eBay. So.... as a (relative) newbie on the group, I have lost touch with who is doing what with respect to centralising collection of manuals... I have: High Com user manual & colour flier that I can scan CR7 user manual BX-125 manual plus HiFi Choice reviews of CR-7E & Dragon from July 1988, Cassette Deck 2 review from HiFI Choice Best Buy guide 91/92, Cassette Deck 1.5 review from HiFi Choice Apr92 (incidentally includes a review of Aiwa XK-9000 which had an in-built D/A converter for direct record from CD....no worries about home recording there then!!) Any of these useful to the group...? Neale From wheijke at xs4all.nl Tue May 27 16:46:36 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 16:46:36 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] Mounting screws Message-ID: <24736.212.78.179.234.1054046796.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> I'm missing cover mounting screws on some Naks and it seems impossible to find screws like these in the stores... Does anyone know how these type of screws are called? Thanks, Wouter From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue May 27 20:30:33 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 01:30:33 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Three head decks - dumb question References: <000301c323d5$bff1b1c0$1b7f893e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <002601c3247e$0f904c20$27299bca@smarzuki> Marc and Kannan, thanks for the info. I recall some of other 'sandwich' decks (teac, sony, revox) also require us to align the head with recorded signal - can it solve the orientation problem or only minimise the magnetic misalignment ? Nka's totally discrete heads make alignment much easier though ... Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 5:25 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Three head decks - dumb question Crystal for me - thanks Marc. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Marc Denis > Sent: 26 May 2003 22:58 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Three head decks - dumb question > > > Salim and Tim, > > call the alignment magnetic or physical, the end result is the same. We > want record and playback azimuth to match with each other, as Tim > correctly > said. However, at the manufacturing level, we are dealing with tiny parts > (coils and the likes) inside the heads housings that apparently cannot > physically be positioned perfectly. At this level, very small > errors make a > huge sonic difference as you are well aware. Therefore, we have > to rely on > the electro-magnetic characteristics of the heads by actually > recording and > playing a _magnetic_ signal through them to align the deck. That's why > Kannan and I were talking about magnetic alignment rather than physical > alignment. With Nak decks, this is no problem since each head can > be moved > separately. With sandwich construction, you are stuck with the factory > alignment inside the housing since each head cannot be moved separately. > That is, you can adjust record or playback azimuth at its best, but not > both. Makes more sense now? > From ti at amb.org Tue May 27 20:34:28 2003 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 11:34:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Three head decks - dumb question In-Reply-To: <002601c3247e$0f904c20$27299bca@smarzuki> from "Salim Marzuki" at May 28, 2003 01:30:33 AM Message-ID: <200305271834.SAA28935@amb.org> Salim Marzuki writes: > I recall some of other 'sandwich' decks (teac, sony, revox) also require us > to align the head with recorded signal - can it solve the orientation > problem or only minimise the magnetic misalignment ? Nka's totally discrete > heads make alignment much easier though ... 3 head decks with sandwich-type heads can be aligned only with respect to a playback reference tape, but the record head and the playback head cannot be further aligned to each other as they are physically fixed in a single housing. -Ti -- /// Ti Kan Vorsprung durch Technik /// AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA /// ti at amb.org ////// http://www.amb.org/ti/ /// From g_valkov at hotmail.com Tue May 27 21:05:51 2003 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 22:05:51 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: Re: [audiotalk] Revox B-215 Message-ID: Apologies for the non-Nak posting, but I hope you won't mind me sharing the below with the larger Naktalk membership. I have now reached the point where I am ready to part with my B-215. It is in perfect technical condition, a minor scratch on the Stop button prevents me from saying the same regarding the cosmetics. It comes with a photocopied owner's manual, an original service manual (bought new from Revox two years ago) and a remote control, which works with all Revox B-2xx units - amp, CD, deck, etc., also bought brand new from Revox two years ago and hardly ever used. No original box. I'm in London and would prefer to ship within UK and Europe, but am willing to discuss overseas shipping as well. Please contact me offline if you are interested. I will probably get around to putting it on eBay next week, but wouldn't mind doing direct business with a fellow Nakker. George _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From msyoder at border.net Wed May 28 18:01:52 2003 From: msyoder at border.net (Michael S. Yoder) Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 11:01:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Metal tape and head wear? Message-ID: <001f01c32532$75a13ec0$9cf4c1cf@jnorris.ttu.edu> Hello, Ti Kan and I have been chatting back and forth about a few issues, including whether or not metal tape accelerates head wear. Ti is not aware of any empirical evidence to suggest that it does, yet I seem to recall reading several things in magazines years ago (pre-internet days. . . .Al Gore, what took you so long?) that indicated that metal tape does increase head wear. I was unable to find anything in this site's archives related to the topic, so I apologize if this has been asked before. If such a thread exists, I would appreciate someone directing me to it. I also did a search on Google using key words such as "metal cassette tape head wear" and found virtually nothing technical related to audio cassettes, but quite a bit on video cassettes and DAT, which I didn't take the time to read. I seem to recall back in the 1980s or early 90s when metal tape was popular that the belief existed by some that this type of tape accelerates erosion of tape heads. I'm just getting back into heavy use of the cassette format after some disappointments using DAT and MD. I have a Nak DR-3 and a Sony KA3ES. I'd like to experiment with metal tape so I can run a hotter signal when recording my jazz trio in a live situation, but am concerned about this possible issue with tape head wear. Is it true or myth? Thanks. Michael Yoder -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kemppie at studenten.net Wed May 28 22:54:49 2003 From: kemppie at studenten.net (LEW Kempkes) Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 22:54:49 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette (BX300 vs ZX-7, vs. CR7) References: Message-ID: <004601c3255b$6293a240$1205c5d5@lk> Hallo Stan, Thanks for the info. I could also buy a Dragon for about ? 500. So is this a better machine than the CR-7 or ZX-9 ? Or could I better go for a 680ZX or 682 ZX (a lot cheaper) with a High Com Could you tell me what is the better choice for the price. Or should I go for a different deck. Laurens ----- Original Message ----- From: Stan Targowski To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2003 9:32 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cassette (BX300 vs ZX-7, vs. CR7) Assuming the same condition, I would buy ZX-7. Mainly to the fact that ZX series is very well respected, and the deck has custom calibration controls for each tape type and channel (400/15000Hz test tones )- i.e., you would be able to match it to more or less any tape type.(Calibration is available in CR7, but not in BX-300 which just has a bias control.) CR-7 is the best of the three, it is the newest model of them all, yet it is the most expensive, and has the most complex controls (driven by a computer - so easy on the user, but case anything goes wrong ...). Both BX-300 and CR7 offer direct drive motors, whilst the ZX-7 has a belt driven one. However, a DD version of ZX-7, named ZX-9 often times sells for more than CR-7. Taking aside older 1000ZXL/700ZXL (expensive to own due to age and parts scarcity), CR7 and ZX9 are typically considered the best sounding decks Nakamichi has ever made. My $0..02 ... Stan -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of LEW Kempkes Sent: Sat, May 24, 2003 2:08 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Hallo, I' am about to buy a ZX-7. Could anyone tell me whether this is a good deck. Has anyone experience with this deck ? Or could I better buy a BX 300E of CR-7E. First one is cheaper and the last much higher in price. 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Technically, Mercedes is more expensive, and there may be more prestige to owning one, but on the other hand, BMW may be more fun to drive. - The true benefit of the Dragon is automatic playback azimuth, which means that tapes recorded on other decks can play well. - As far as 680ZX or 682ZX - these are very good decks, but older generation. 680ZX has a very unique feature of two tape speeds (regular and half the speed.) It also has beautiful 50 segment meters. - BX300 is a solid no frills unit. - I have already commented about ZX-9 and CR7. Personally, if I were to have one deck, and had money to spend, I might go for a Dragon. It is a solid deck, and to some it is a symbol of Nakamichi's state-of-the-art (though it is not their best.) My second choice would be ZX-9, and third CR7. If I wanted to stick to a budget, I might look for CR4, CR5, or BX-300. To complicate things, there are two newer units that typically sell for much less than others - CR4 and CR5. CR4 is a newer version of BX300 with calibration. CR5 is the same body as CR7 minus automatic calibration/azimuth ... Clear as mud ? .... Stan -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of LEW Kempkes Sent: Wed, May 28, 2003 3:55 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette (BX300 vs ZX-7, vs. CR7) Hallo Stan, Thanks for the info. I could also buy a Dragon for about € 500. So is this a better machine than the CR-7 or ZX-9 ? Or could I better go for a 680ZX or 682 ZX (a lot cheaper) with a High Com Could you tell me what is the better choice for the price. Or should I go for a different deck. Laurens ----- Original Message ----- From: Stan Targowski To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2003 9:32 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cassette (BX300 vs ZX-7, vs. CR7) Assuming the same condition, I would buy ZX-7. Mainly to the fact that ZX series is very well respected, and the deck has custom calibration controls for each tape type and channel (400/15000Hz test tones )- i.e., you would be able to match it to more or less any tape type.(Calibration is available in CR7, but not in BX-300 which just has a bias control.) CR-7 is the best of the three, it is the newest model of them all, yet it is the most expensive, and has the most complex controls (driven by a computer - so easy on the user, but case anything goes wrong ...). Both BX-300 and CR7 offer direct drive motors, whilst the ZX-7 has a belt driven one. However, a DD version of ZX-7, named ZX-9 often times sells for more than CR-7. Taking aside older 1000ZXL/700ZXL (expensive to own due to age and parts scarcity), CR7 and ZX9 are typically considered the best sounding decks Nakamichi has ever made. My $0..02 ... Stan -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of LEW Kempkes Sent: Sat, May 24, 2003 2:08 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Hallo, I' am about to buy a ZX-7. Could anyone tell me whether this is a good deck. Has anyone experience with this deck ? Or could I better buy a BX 300E of CR-7E. First one is cheaper and the last much higher in price. Thanks Kemppie ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu May 29 00:06:55 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 08:06:55 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Metal tape and head wear? Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02202049@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Michael. I've been using metal tapes on all my BX300 for the past 15 years and the heads still show as being new. The quality of recording have not changed, they are still 100%. The tapes themselves (mostly TDK MA) are still in great shape. What do others think? Have they had good or bad experiences? Regards, Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Michael S. Yoder [mailto:msyoder at border.net] Sent: Thursday, 29 May 2003 2:02 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Metal tape and head wear? Hello, Ti Kan and I have been chatting back and forth about a few issues, including whether or not metal tape accelerates head wear. Ti is not aware of any empirical evidence to suggest that it does, yet I seem to recall reading several things in magazines years ago (pre-internet days. . . .Al Gore, what took you so long?) that indicated that metal tape does increase head wear. I was unable to find anything in this site's archives related to the topic, so I apologize if this has been asked before. If such a thread exists, I would appreciate someone directing me to it. I also did a search on Google using key words such as "metal cassette tape head wear" and found virtually nothing technical related to audio cassettes, but quite a bit on video cassettes and DAT, which I didn't take the time to read. I seem to recall back in the 1980s or early 90s when metal tape was popular that the belief existed by some that this type of tape accelerates erosion of tape heads. I'm just getting back into heavy use of the cassette format after some disappointments using DAT and MD. I have a Nak DR-3 and a Sony KA3ES. I'd like to experiment with metal tape so I can run a hotter signal when recording my jazz trio in a live situation, but am concerned about this possible issue with tape head wear. Is it true or myth? Thanks. Michael Yoder -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From msyoder at border.net Thu May 29 01:14:35 2003 From: msyoder at border.net (Michael S. Yoder) Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 18:14:35 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Metal tape and head wear? Message-ID: <002401c3256e$e897d240$8ff4c1cf@jnorris.ttu.edu> Hi Tom, Well, you're the first to respond to my query with actual experiences. Thanks! Ti Kan forwarded the following, which is a direct quote from Nakamichi about the topic: What about wear? The trend today is to use physically hard core materials to reduce wear. Unfortunately, physically hard materials like ferrite are also _magnetically_ hard; they have low permeability and high coercivity which increases the likelihood of head magnetization, reduces sensitivity, and increases noise. Ferrites also have low saturation induction; they saturate more readily and thus limit recording headroom. Our "Crystalloy" material emphasizes _magnetic_ properties. While physically not so hard as ferrite, it has extremely low coercivity and very high permeability and saturation induction making it ideal for record and playback heads. We solved the wear problem by special geometric design that ensures uniform wear. Our heads respond within 1dB of spec after 10,000 hours of use. That's 3 hours a day, 365 days a year, for 9 years! We think that's adequete and see no reason to sacrafice sound quality for life! I assume this applies to all Nak machines, including my (budget model?) DR-3. My main unit is a Sony KA3ES which has amorphous record and playback heads (like the top 'o the line Tascam 122MkIII), so I don't know how the Nakamichi assertion applies in that case. My *sense* from having spent a couple or three hours "googling" (see what happens when a college professor has a break between semesters?) is that other companies have come to some sort of compromise between durability of heads and audible quality. Otherwise, how could units like the Sony KA3ES and Tascam 122 MkIII have such good specs (S/N ratio, frequency response, etc.)? [As a footnote PLEASE NOTE that I don't rely on spec's alone. My cheaper Sony deck (KA1ESA) has almost the same spec's as the KA3ES, but just sounds "thin" or something. . . .I can't really put my finger on it. My NAK DR-3 doesn't have such impressive spec's as the Sony, but it sounds beefy and meaty and wonderful. . . .almost as good as the KA3ES. I bought that one new for $300 about 5 years ago!!!!!] The bottom line: I would like to see more people weigh in on this issue and relate articles they have read, etc. But in the absence of more concrete info., I'm led at this point to believe that most machines (especially Nak's) have head designs that can endure and get the most out of the metal tape. I thank you for sharing your experiences, and I take them as a very positive sign. Best, Michael -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Date: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 5:18 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Metal tape and head wear? Hi Michael. I've been using metal tapes on all my BX300 for the past 15 years and the heads still show as being new. The quality of recording have not changed, they are still 100%. The tapes themselves (mostly TDK MA) are still in great shape. What do others think? Have they had good or bad experiences? Regards, Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Michael S. Yoder [mailto:msyoder at border.net] Sent: Thursday, 29 May 2003 2:02 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Metal tape and head wear? Hello, Ti Kan and I have been chatting back and forth about a few issues, including whether or not metal tape accelerates head wear. Ti is not aware of any empirical evidence to suggest that it does, yet I seem to recall reading several things in magazines years ago (pre-internet days. . . .Al Gore, what took you so long?) that indicated that metal tape does increase head wear. I was unable to find anything in this site's archives related to the topic, so I apologize if this has been asked before. If such a thread exists, I would appreciate someone directing me to it. I also did a search on Google using key words such as "metal cassette tape head wear" and found virtually nothing technical related to audio cassettes, but quite a bit on video cassettes and DAT, which I didn't take the time to read. I seem to recall back in the 1980s or early 90s when metal tape was popular that the belief existed by some that this type of tape accelerates erosion of tape heads. I'm just getting back into heavy use of the cassette format after some disappointments using DAT and MD. I have a Nak DR-3 and a Sony KA3ES. I'd like to experiment with metal tape so I can run a hotter signal when recording my jazz trio in a live situation, but am concerned about this possible issue with tape head wear. Is it true or myth? Thanks. Michael Yoder -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu May 29 01:07:58 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 00:07:58 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette (BX300 vs ZX-7, vs. CR7) In-Reply-To: <004601c3255b$6293a240$1205c5d5@lk> Message-ID: <004a01c3256d$fa7461a0$b2884c51@oemcomputer> If I might butt in a view, too ... the Dragon is a great (some say the greatest) replay machine but the CR7 probably beats it sonically as a recording machine. However, you'd have to A-B-X test them against each other to notice the difference! (Some of you may recall Carlos thought the best recording machine he'd ever used was the Revox B215 - he recorded using the Revox but replayed using his Dragon, which he felt was the best replay machine. I have since found a couple of other people via the Internet who hold the same view as Carlos. However, Carlos did not have a CR7 to compare with the Revox.) CR7 versus ZX9? In theory, the CR7 should be the better ... just .... because its signal paths are shorter (by a long way shorter, according to Stephen!) I'll be able to give a personal view fairly soon as I already have a ZX9 (modified by TransTec) and I'm expecting delivery of a CR7 from Kannan's stable! And if I ever get my ReVox back from the engineer, I'll be able to compare that, too ... Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of LEW Kempkes Sent: 28 May 2003 21:55 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette (BX300 vs ZX-7, vs. CR7) Hallo Stan, Thanks for the info. I could also buy a Dragon for about € 500. So is this a better machine than the CR-7 or ZX-9 ? Or could I better go for a 680ZX or 682 ZX (a lot cheaper) with a High Com Could you tell me what is the better choice for the price. Or should I go for a different deck. Laurens ----- Original Message ----- From: Stan Targowski To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2003 9:32 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cassette (BX300 vs ZX-7, vs. CR7) Assuming the same condition, I would buy ZX-7. Mainly to the fact that ZX series is very well respected, and the deck has custom calibration controls for each tape type and channel (400/15000Hz test tones )- i.e., you would be able to match it to more or less any tape type.(Calibration is available in CR7, but not in BX-300 which just has a bias control.) CR-7 is the best of the three, it is the newest model of them all, yet it is the most expensive, and has the most complex controls (driven by a computer - so easy on the user, but case anything goes wrong ...). Both BX-300 and CR7 offer direct drive motors, whilst the ZX-7 has a belt driven one. However, a DD version of ZX-7, named ZX-9 often times sells for more than CR-7. Taking aside older 1000ZXL/700ZXL (expensive to own due to age and parts scarcity), CR7 and ZX9 are typically considered the best sounding decks Nakamichi has ever made. My $0..02 ... Stan -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of LEW Kempkes Sent: Sat, May 24, 2003 2:08 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Hallo, I' am about to buy a ZX-7. Could anyone tell me whether this is a good deck. Has anyone experience with this deck ? Or could I better buy a BX 300E of CR-7E. First one is cheaper and the last much higher in price. 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URL: From bjgrady at pacbell.net Thu May 29 01:21:37 2003 From: bjgrady at pacbell.net (John) Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 16:21:37 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette (BX300 vs ZX-7, vs. CR7) In-Reply-To: <004a01c3256d$fa7461a0$b2884c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <000c01c3256f$e3534a70$5400a8c0@SUPPORT.RENTANAPT.COM> Just to add to the views, I use a 700ZXL for record and a Dragon for playback. Both of these are Sankified of course. Also have a CR7 (Sanked) for playback in the bedroom. All three I could live w/ separately. For coolness factor and to impress the non-audiophile friends, 700ZXL all the way! Some day would like to acquire a B215 (on Carlos' recommend). Hey, I'll take a Tandberg 3014A while I'm @ it! Cal John. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Graham Nelson Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 4:08 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cassette (BX300 vs ZX-7, vs. CR7) If I might butt in a view, too ... the Dragon is a great (some say the greatest) replay machine but the CR7 probably beats it sonically as a recording machine. However, you'd have to A-B-X test them against each other to notice the difference! (Some of you may recall Carlos thought the best recording machine he'd ever used was the Revox B215 - he recorded using the Revox but replayed using his Dragon, which he felt was the best replay machine. I have since found a couple of other people via the Internet who hold the same view as Carlos. However, Carlos did not have a CR7 to compare with the Revox.) CR7 versus ZX9? In theory, the CR7 should be the better ... just .... because its signal paths are shorter (by a long way shorter, according to Stephen!) I'll be able to give a personal view fairly soon as I already have a ZX9 (modified by TransTec) and I'm expecting delivery of a CR7 from Kannan's stable! And if I ever get my ReVox back from the engineer, I'll be able to compare that, too ... Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of LEW Kempkes Sent: 28 May 2003 21:55 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette (BX300 vs ZX-7, vs. CR7) Hallo Stan, Thanks for the info. I could also buy a Dragon for about € 500. So is this a better machine than the CR-7 or ZX-9 ? Or could I better go for a 680ZX or 682 ZX (a lot cheaper) with a High Com Could you tell me what is the better choice for the price. Or should I go for a different deck. Laurens ----- Original Message ----- From: Stan Targowski To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2003 9:32 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cassette (BX300 vs ZX-7, vs. CR7) Assuming the same condition, I would buy ZX-7. Mainly to the fact that ZX series is very well respected, and the deck has custom calibration controls for each tape type and channel (400/15000Hz test tones )- i.e., you would be able to match it to more or less any tape type.(Calibration is available in CR7, but not in BX-300 which just has a bias control.) CR-7 is the best of the three, it is the newest model of them all, yet it is the most expensive, and has the most complex controls (driven by a computer - so easy on the user, but case anything goes wrong ...). Both BX-300 and CR7 offer direct drive motors, whilst the ZX-7 has a belt driven one. However, a DD version of ZX-7, named ZX-9 often times sells for more than CR-7. Taking aside older 1000ZXL/700ZXL (expensive to own due to age and parts scarcity), CR7 and ZX9 are typically considered the best sounding decks Nakamichi has ever made. My $0..02 ... Stan -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of LEW Kempkes Sent: Sat, May 24, 2003 2:08 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Hallo, I' am about to buy a ZX-7. Could anyone tell me whether this is a good deck. Has anyone experience with this deck ? Or could I better buy a BX 300E of CR-7E. First one is cheaper and the last much higher in price. 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Thanks, _Fuad Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com >Prompted to send this after it took just 20mins from listing High Com on ebay to getting a request from someone for a copy of the manual ...& on checking this guy ....just sells manuals on eBay. So.... as a (relative) newbie on the group, I have lost touch with who is doing what with respect to centralising collection of manuals... I have: High Com user manual & colour flier that I can scan CR7 user manual BX-125 manual plus HiFi Choice reviews of CR-7E & Dragon from July 1988, Cassette Deck 2 review from HiFI Choice Best Buy guide 91/92, Cassette Deck 1.5 review from HiFi Choice Apr92 (incidentally includes a review of Aiwa XK-9000 which had an in-built D/A converter for direct record from CD....no worries about home recording there then!!) Any of these useful to the group...? Neale < From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu May 29 01:58:45 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 06:58:45 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Metal tape and head wear? References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02202049@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <05e301c32575$1395eda0$6d299bca@smarzuki> Hi Michael, Here's past posts on related topic : ----------- Interestingly enough, the Memorex "MRX2" and later "MRX3" formulas were standard ferric oxides. Another footnote would be to point out that even current Metal formulas are still considerably more abrasive than anything else. In the pro video arena I have had experiences with Metal BetaSP tapes where head failures occur in roughly half the time as would happen with standard oxide tapes. The tradeoff that I've found is that the more abrasive stuff tends to be more robust with fewer dropouts... go figure! Ed Rudy Kleimann III wrote: Around 1970, Mr. E. Nakamichi published a "White Paper" wherein he correctly stated that chromium-dioxide based tapes (especially the early ones) were MUCH more abrasive than ferric oxide tapes, and would considerably accelerate wear on the permalloy heads of the time. He was blasted by the cassette tape manufacturers, as this was a new product which was clearly performed better, and therefore very profitable to sell. The cassette deck manufacturers were displeased too, for the cassette format needed all the help it could get to become a viable recording medium, and they intended on cashing in with recording decks of their own, most of which used permalloy heads. The absolute worst brand for abrasion and shedding was also the most popular and widely advertised tape brand ever: MEMOREX -with MRX2 oxide. The stuff LOOKED abrasive. Suddenly a lot of decks were wearing out all over the place, sounding like hell and shaving the edges of your favorite tape with every play. Meanwhile, Nakamichi was working on high-performance cassette heads made from harder metals, yet still capable of high magnetic field strengths without saturation and other distortions. This, coupled with highly polished CrO2 put the performance of a Nakamichi on an entirely different sonic level than virtually all other Japanese cassette decks (except the Nakamichis 'private-labelled' for these other brands, of course). The tape manufacturers also went on a PR campaign about polishing their tape (some of which weren't polishing previously), but the question of tape wear lingered around for years. I think it was one of the reasons the doped ferro-cobalt formulations were so quickly accepted and praised, and why ferro-chrome never did make it. In reality, CrO2 tape that was made after the mid '70's was quite allright, but no serious recordist would ever be caught dead with Memorex tape on his possession. Especially a Nakamichi owner... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sorry can't resist this wufwuf thing > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > Is it true that only 100 Nak 730 made ? How do I forward this to wufwuf ? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1234313790 > > > > Unrelated item: heard nasty rumors long time ago that 'metal' tape caused > > more wear on tape head, could this be possible ? > > > > Cheers, > > SM > > I believe Chrome tape was said to be more abrasive than > other formulations. This was stated in Stereo Review or > High-Fidelity (forgot which) many years ago. > > -- Ron > ------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 5:06 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Metal tape and head wear? Hi Michael. I've been using metal tapes on all my BX300 for the past 15 years and the heads still show as being new. The quality of recording have not changed, they are still 100%. The tapes themselves (mostly TDK MA) are still in great shape. What do others think? Have they had good or bad experiences? Regards, Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Michael S. Yoder [mailto:msyoder at border.net] Sent: Thursday, 29 May 2003 2:02 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Metal tape and head wear? Hello, Ti Kan and I have been chatting back and forth about a few issues, including whether or not metal tape accelerates head wear. Ti is not aware of any empirical evidence to suggest that it does, yet I seem to recall reading several things in magazines years ago (pre-internet days. . . .Al Gore, what took you so long?) that indicated that metal tape does increase head wear. I was unable to find anything in this site's archives related to the topic, so I apologize if this has been asked before. If such a thread exists, I would appreciate someone directing me to it. I also did a search on Google using key words such as "metal cassette tape head wear" and found virtually nothing technical related to audio cassettes, but quite a bit on video cassettes and DAT, which I didn't take the time to read. I seem to recall back in the 1980s or early 90s when metal tape was popular that the belief existed by some that this type of tape accelerates erosion of tape heads. I'm just getting back into heavy use of the cassette format after some disappointments using DAT and MD. I have a Nak DR-3 and a Sony KA3ES. I'd like to experiment with metal tape so I can run a hotter signal when recording my jazz trio in a live situation, but am concerned about this possible issue with tape head wear. Is it true or myth? Thanks. Michael Yoder From adamyh at netvigator.com Thu May 29 08:34:34 2003 From: adamyh at netvigator.com (Adam Yousuf) Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 14:34:34 +0800 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette (BX300 vs ZX-7, vs. CR7) In-Reply-To: <004601c3255b$6293a240$1205c5d5@lk> Message-ID: <9CE60DCE-919F-11D7-B8E3-00039388D952@netvigator.com> Hi Laurens, I own a Dragon and have been using it for the last 2 years without any major issues. It has not been "Sankified" yet. So it still has the old orange caps and a few issues with Bias calibration. This is just to convey to you my experiences, the playback is wonderful with any tape I have put in there. It only takes a couple of seconds for the NAAC to lock onto the original recording azimuth and it sounds crystal clear. For the recording, you have to manually calibrate the deck. Since I use TDK tapes mostly, there is very calibration needed since the Nakamichi standard types are pretty much set for the highend TDK Tapes, ie SA=SX AD=EX MA=ZX and there is very little calibration needed with these tapes. The manual calibration comes in real handy when using used tapes or lesser quality tapes. Even with those, the recording sounds super even when played on another brand deck. I have recently purchased a 700ZXL and it is being Sankified as we speak. The reason I bought that is cos when I was young, my uncle had the 700ZXL and I have been chasing after it since. Whether it is better than the CR-7 or not, I am not sure but it is one of the best 1st Generation Silent Mechanism decks that Nakamichi has created. The recordings my uncle made for me 15 years ago still sound like new (esp since he never let any tape less than a TDK SA touch his deck) and it really makes me miss the old days with LPs etc. I have many new high-end tapes that I want to preserve certain types of music and want the 700ZXL to squeeze out every ounce of recording potential from those tapes. This is the advantage of auto calibration where it can calibrate to the highest degree on new tapes. With cheaper tapes or used tapes, you might find the auto-calibration failing, so that is where the manual calibration of the Dragon comes in. So soon I will have one deck for recording "pristine" recordings and one deck for playing back all tapes with "pristine" sound and recording onto used or lower quality tapes. Hope this helps you. I might be a bit biased, but I think you won't go wrong with a Dragon, especially if it has been thru Stephen Sank's capable hands. It is not a very technical review. I wonder if the others have shared similar experiences. I've been on this list for 4 years now and have learned a lot from the "regulars". :) Good luck! Adam On Thursday, May 29, 2003, at 04:54 AM, LEW Kempkes wrote: > Hallo Stan, >   > Thanks for the info. > I could also buy a Dragon for about € 500. So is this a better machine > than the CR-7 or ZX-9 ? > Or could I better go for a 680ZX or 682 ZX (a lot cheaper) with a High > Com > Could you tell me what is the better choice for the price. > Or should I go for a different deck. >   > Laurens > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Stan Targowski > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2003 9:32 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cassette (BX300 vs ZX-7, vs. CR7) > > Assuming the same condition, I would buy ZX-7. Mainly to the fact that > ZX series is very well respected, and the deck has custom calibration > controls for each tape type and channel (400/15000Hz test tones )- > i.e., you would be able to match it to more or less any tape > type.(Calibration is available in CR7, but not in BX-300 which just > has a bias control.) >   > CR-7 is the best of the three, it is the newest model of them all, yet > it is the most expensive, and has the most complex controls (driven by > a computer - so easy on the user, but case anything goes wrong ...). >   > Both BX-300 and CR7 offer direct drive motors, whilst the ZX-7 has a > belt driven one. However, a DD version of ZX-7, named ZX-9 often times > sells for more than CR-7. >   > Taking aside older 1000ZXL/700ZXL (expensive to own due to age and > parts scarcity), CR7 and ZX9 are typically considered the best > sounding decks Nakamichi has ever made. >   > My $0..02 ... >   > Stan > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of LEW Kempkes > Sent: Sat, May 24, 2003 2:08 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: [naktalk] Cassette > > Hallo, >   > I' am about to buy a ZX-7. Could anyone tell me whether this is a good > deck. > Has anyone experience with this deck ? >   > Or could I better buy a BX 300E of CR-7E. > First one is cheaper and the last much higher in price. >   > Thanks >   > Kemppie > > > > > > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------------- > ---========= >                            Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------------- > ---========= > > ========--------------------------------------------------------------- > ---========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------------- > ---========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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What do others think? Have they had good or > bad experiences? >   >     Regards, >   >     Tom Siomopoulos. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael S. Yoder [mailto:msyoder at border.net] > Sent: Thursday, 29 May 2003 2:02 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Metal tape and head wear? > > Hello, >   > Ti Kan and I have been chatting back and forth about a few issues, > including whether or not metal tape accelerates head wear.  Ti is not > aware of any empirical evidence to suggest that it does, yet I seem to > recall reading several things in magazines years ago (pre-internet > days. . . .Al Gore, what took you so long?) that indicated that metal > tape does increase head wear.  I was unable to find anything in this > site's archives related to the topic, so I apologize if this has been > asked before.  If such a thread exists, I would appreciate someone > directing me to it.  I also did a search on Google using key words > such as "metal cassette tape head wear" and found virtually nothing > technical related to audio cassettes, but quite a bit on video > cassettes and DAT, which I didn't take the time to read.  >   > I seem to recall back in the 1980s or early 90s when metal tape was > popular that the belief existed by some that this type of tape > accelerates erosion of tape heads.  I'm just getting back into heavy > use of the cassette format after some disappointments using DAT and > MD.  I have a Nak DR-3 and a Sony KA3ES.  I'd like to experiment with > metal tape so I can run a hotter signal when recording my jazz trio in > a live situation, but am concerned about this possible issue with tape > head wear. >   > Is it true or myth? >   > Thanks. > Michael Yoder  > > ========--------------------------------------------------------------- > ---========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------------- > ---========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thank you for offering to make the 700ZXE Owner's Manual available. Keep Nakin'! Best regards, Kent Merideth >>> 75541.100 at compuserve.com 05/28/03 06:37PM >>> Hi Neale, Now that you have mentioned it, any info about aiwa xks-9000 is welcome. Especially I need the manuals for it. I have the deck itself, but only the flier in Japanese. On the other hand I have the original users/service manual for Nak 700zxe. I can scan pages for anyone interested. Thanks, _Fuad Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com >Prompted to send this after it took just 20mins from listing High Com on ebay to getting a request from someone for a copy of the manual ...& on checking this guy ....just sells manuals on eBay. So.... as a (relative) newbie on the group, I have lost touch with who is doing what with respect to centralising collection of manuals... I have: High Com user manual & colour flier that I can scan CR7 user manual BX-125 manual plus HiFi Choice reviews of CR-7E & Dragon from July 1988, Cassette Deck 2 review from HiFI Choice Best Buy guide 91/92, Cassette Deck 1.5 review from HiFi Choice Apr92 (incidentally includes a review of Aiwa XK-9000 which had an in-built D/A converter for direct record from CD....no worries about home recording there then!!) Any of these useful to the group...? Neale < ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From britri at pacbell.net Thu May 29 03:48:52 2003 From: britri at pacbell.net (Brian Stocker) Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 18:48:52 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Metal tape and head wear? References: Message-ID: <3ED56704.5366E791@pacbell.net> I have always used TDK MA or similar and have never experienced any noticeable head wear on my Nak 1 or my 3014a. I think when we hear the word metal, we think of something metal scraping at the head. But, aren't all tapes made with some kind of metal particles on them? I was waiting to reply to this thread to see if somebody might have found an article/study on head wear however, like others, I figured I would offer my own anecdotal experience. Brian Stocker Adam Yousuf wrote: > Hi Tom, > > Similar experience here with my Dragon. No sonic difference after many uses but then it just might be the NAAC compensating. Unless there is someone who has done a real scientific measurement, I don't think with the newer tapes created esp by TDK would have any issues on a Nak deck. > > Adam > > On Thursday, May 29, 2003, at 06:06 AM, Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > > Hi Michael. >     >     I've been using metal tapes on all my BX300 for the past 15 years and the heads still show as being new. The quality of recording have not changed, they are still 100%. The tapes themselves (mostly TDK MA) are still in great shape. What do others think? Have they had good or bad experiences? >   >     Regards, >   >     Tom Siomopoulos. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael S. Yoder [mailto:msyoder at border.net] > Sent: Thursday, 29 May 2003 2:02 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Metal tape and head wear? > > Hello, >   > Ti Kan and I have been chatting back and forth about a few issues, including whether or not metal tape accelerates head wear.  Ti is not aware of any empirical evidence to suggest that it does, yet I seem to recall reading several things in magazines years ago (pre-internet days. . . .Al Gore, what took you so long?) that indicated that metal tape does increase head wear.  I was unable to find anything in this site's archives related to the topic, so I apologize if this has been asked before.  If such a thread exists, I would appreciate someone directing me to it.  I also did a search on Google using key words such as "metal cassette tape head wear" and found virtually nothing technical related to audio cassettes, but quite a bit on video cassettes and DAT, which I didn't take the time to read.  >   > I seem to recall back in the 1980s or early 90s when metal tape was popular that the belief existed by some that this type of tape accelerates erosion of tape heads.  I'm just getting back into heavy use of the cassette format after some disappointments using DAT and MD.  I have a Nak DR-3 and a Sony KA3ES.  I'd like to experiment with metal tape so I can run a hotter signal when recording my jazz trio in a live situation, but am concerned about this possible issue with tape head wear. >   > Is it true or myth? >   > Thanks. > Michael Yoder  > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kemppie at studenten.net Thu May 29 20:02:26 2003 From: kemppie at studenten.net (LEW Kempkes) Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 20:02:26 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Manuals... References: Message-ID: <002101c3260c$7bce8160$f807c5d5@lk> Hallo Hifiman, Could you send me the test of the CR-7E and Dragon placed in Hifi Choice. Please send it to kempkes at westerveldvossers.nl But only when it's less than 3-4 mb Thanks Laurens ----- Original Message ----- From: Hifiman To: Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 2:50 AM Subject: [naktalk] Manuals... > Prompted to send this after it took just 20mins from listing High Com on > ebay to getting a request from someone for a copy of the manual ...& on > checking this guy ....just sells manuals on eBay. > > So.... as a (relative) newbie on the group, I have lost touch with who is > doing what with respect to centralising collection of manuals... > > I have: > High Com user manual & colour flier that I can scan > CR7 user manual > BX-125 manual > > plus HiFi Choice reviews of CR-7E & Dragon from July 1988, Cassette Deck 2 > review from HiFI Choice Best Buy guide 91/92, Cassette Deck 1.5 review from > HiFi Choice Apr92 (incidentally includes a review of Aiwa XK-9000 which had > an in-built D/A converter for direct record from CD....no worries about home > recording there then!!) > > Any of these useful to the group...? > > Neale > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > From mikhail_zaydman at yahoo.com Fri May 30 19:42:54 2003 From: mikhail_zaydman at yahoo.com (Mikhail Zaydman) Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 10:42:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Need Nakamichi ZX-9 manual! Message-ID: <20030530174254.47060.qmail@web13905.mail.yahoo.com> Hello, I am new to this forum. The Nakamichi ZX-9 arrived yesterday. Plays great what was recorded using DR-10! I'll really appreciate if somebody email me ZX-9 manual to verify recording. Thanks, Mikhail __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com Fri May 30 21:29:47 2003 From: gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com (gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com) Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 14:29:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 loss of high frequency response Message-ID: I recently purchase a BX-300 that was described as needing all new rubber parts. I thought I'd give a rubber rejuvenator product a try before replacement. Then I cleaned and demagnetized the heads and capstans. After installation and checkout, I don't see any problem with the drive system, it runs fine mechanically. That said, I can't seem to get the sound off the tape to match the source when comparing them with the Monitor switch. What I hear consistently is a loss of the very high frequencies. I can get it pretty close by setting the bias control fully counter clockwise, but there is still a loss of the high frequency detail. This is true with or without Dolby, or MPX filter. I have used TDK-SA, and Maxell MX metal tapes so far. I have the equalization switch set correctly for each of these tapes. I set the level according to the owner's manual, and have tried recording at substantially lower levels to see if there was any improvement (nope). I have tried using FM inter-station hiss with very poor results - I hear both tonal changes and spatial changes. Not sure what that means... Now, may sound like heresy, but these are very similar to the results I had in the past with my Pioneer 2 head deck. I also should mention that my hearing sucks, with definite loss above 13K. Not sure how that would affect the results of my tests, but if I hear a difference, there must be problems! So, any recommendations or ideas, or am I in need of head alignments or other adjustments? I went through the service manual and it looks like stuff I could handle, but where would I get the necessary gages and tapes? I'm guessing it would cost me way more than sending the deck out. Are there simpler (cheaper) ways of making these adjustments myself without messing things up? Gary -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kotb at sbcglobal.net Fri May 30 21:53:34 2003 From: kotb at sbcglobal.net (kotb at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 15:53:34 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 582 manuals Message-ID: <000801c326e5$297c15b0$f4d64844@ilyaglb3xyen13> Hi, Just aquired my first Nakamichi 582 from eBay. The seller told me about an electronic problem, so I have to fix it to get it going. If anyone can, please send me the service manual, or just schematics so I can troubleshoot and hopefully fix the problem. I know that Wouter shut down ftp archive that had that manual posted, so if at all possible I'd like Wouter to email the manual for a fair donation to Naks.com site. I'd rather pay Wouter than pay for a manual on eBay from people who stole manuals from that ftp archive prompting him to shut it down. I will appreciate anyone's reply on this matter. Thanks, Ilya Vasserman. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Sat May 31 10:14:28 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 10:14:28 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Metal tape and head wear? Message-ID: Hi Tom and Michael, I have heard this (suggestion that metal tapes are harder wearing on heads than other types) but cannot for the life of ver recall hearing or reading of it in a reputable journal. Of course there might have been articles, but I never saw them. I think all I have heard is pretty vague and anecdotal. But, again, anecdotes are sometimes all we have to go on and they are sometimes valid... I was thinking that cassette manufacturers might have emblazoned a warning onto their cassette packaging to the effect that "Type IV tapes can place additional wear on your decks heads. The manufacturer accepts no responsibility, blah balh........" but none of us ever saw that either!! As Tom says, his BX-300 has been using TDK MAs for 15 years and his heads still look and perform flawlessly. (Can we say the same about Tom?!!!!) Only joking Tom!!! I have been using Maxell MX, Hitachi ME (same as the MX), for 15-20 years and now use quite a few SKC ZX Metal Tech IV, and TDK MA ) and I'm pretty sure that they have placed no inordinate wear on the decks in which they have been used. I now need to replace a rec/pb head on a small Aiwa (AD-F270) I use in my AV set-up and that has mainly enjoyed a diet of ferrics. I would however venture to say that head wear is swiftly accelerated if the heads are not cleaned regularly or you put tapes of uncertain origin (2nd hand pre-recorded tapes bought at flea markets for instance) through your deck. I know 1 guy who has a 682ZX and a 582 that not only never puts 2nd hand cassettes into his machines, but never brings a tape back from the car to his listening room. Once it leaves the room, it stays out!!! Perhaps that is taking things a bit far; after all, one should try to keep the car deck clean and dust free too. And, also, putting tapes back in the case immediately afterwards..........It all sound obvious now, but when I was student................... Go well, Marc The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. 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From kemppie at studenten.net Sat May 31 10:16:33 2003 From: kemppie at studenten.net (LEW Kempkes) Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 10:16:33 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 loss of high frequency response References: Message-ID: <001a01c3274c$f39175e0$f905c5d5@lk> Hello Gary, I bought recently also a BX 300. The (recording/play) head seemed strange but i thought i could fix it. But they were badly damaged due to lack of maintanance (?) Just replace them would solve the problem. Good luck. Laurens ----- Original Message ----- From: gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 9:29 PM Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 loss of high frequency response I recently purchase a BX-300 that was described as needing all new rubber parts. I thought I'd give a rubber rejuvenator product a try before replacement. Then I cleaned and demagnetized the heads and capstans. After installation and checkout, I don't see any problem with the drive system, it runs fine mechanically. That said, I can't seem to get the sound off the tape to match the source when comparing them with the Monitor switch. What I hear consistently is a loss of the very high frequencies. I can get it pretty close by setting the bias control fully counter clockwise, but there is still a loss of the high frequency detail. This is true with or without Dolby, or MPX filter. I have used TDK-SA, and Maxell MX metal tapes so far. I have the equalization switch set correctly for each of these tapes. I set the level according to the owner's manual, and have tried recording at substantially lower levels to see if there was any improvement (nope). I have tried using FM inter-station hiss with very poor results - I hear both tonal changes and spatial changes. Not sure what that means... Now, may sound like heresy, but these are very similar to the results I had in the past with my Pioneer 2 head deck. I also should mention that my hearing sucks, with definite loss above 13K. Not sure how that would affect the results of my tests, but if I hear a difference, there must be problems! So, any recommendations or ideas, or am I in need of head alignments or other adjustments? I went through the service manual and it looks like stuff I could handle, but where would I get the necessary gages and tapes? I'm guessing it would cost me way more than sending the deck out. Are there simpler (cheaper) ways of making these adjustments myself without messing things up? Gary ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marcdenis at iquebec.com Sat May 31 14:17:30 2003 From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis) Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 08:17:30 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 loss of high frequency response In-Reply-To: <001a01c3274c$f39175e0$f905c5d5@lk> References: Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20030531074501.033ec9c0@pop.iquebec.com> Be careful when judging Nakamichi's Cristalloy heads (such as the one used in the BX-300 and other Nak three-head decks), or accepting just any technician's judgement about these. You should be aware that what may appear as grooves caused by wear may not be so. These heads have grooves in them that have been etched at the factory. This is simply a way to use physics to one's advantage: the grooves cause the tape to self center onto the head where there is maximum pressure between the head and the tape rather than using tape guides to do so. Nakamichi trained technicians are aware of this but others may not necessarily be. In practice, Cristalloy heads very rarely need to be replaced because of actual wear. They should last more than 10,000 hours of actual use. Most two-head decks use heads that will last very long as well, if cleaned regularly. BX-1/BX-2 may be the ones to watch. From what I remember, their head material is softer and will wear quite a bit quicker when they are not cleaned regularly. At 10:16 2003/05/31 +0200, you wrote: >Hello Gary, > >I bought recently also a BX 300. The (recording/play) head seemed strange >but i thought i could fix it. But they were badly damaged due to lack of >maintanance (?) >Just replace them would solve the problem. > >Good luck. > >Laurens >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 9:29 PM >>Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 loss of high frequency response >> >> >>I recently purchase a BX-300 that was described as needing all new rubber >>parts. I thought I'd give a rubber rejuvenator product a try before >>replacement. Then I cleaned and demagnetized the heads and capstans. >>After installation and checkout, I don't see any problem with the drive >>system, it runs fine mechanically. >> >>That said, I can't seem to get the sound off the tape to match the source >>when comparing them with the Monitor switch. What I hear consistently is >>a loss of the very high frequencies. I can get it pretty close by setting >>the bias control fully counter clockwise, but there is still a loss of >>the high frequency detail. This is true with or without Dolby, or MPX >>filter. I have used TDK-SA, and Maxell MX metal tapes so far. I have the >>equalization switch set correctly for each of these tapes. I set the >>level according to the owner's manual, and have tried recording at >>substantially lower levels to see if there was any improvement (nope). I >>have tried using FM inter-station hiss with very poor results - I hear >>both tonal changes and spatial changes. Not sure what that means... >> >>Now, may sound like heresy, but these are very similar to the results I >>had in the past with my Pioneer 2 head deck. I also should mention that >>my hearing sucks, with definite loss above 13K. Not sure how that would >>affect the results of my tests, but if I hear a difference, there must be >>problems! >> >>So, any recommendations or ideas, or am I in need of head alignments or >>other adjustments? I went through the service manual and it looks like >>stuff I could handle, but where would I get the necessary gages and >>tapes? I'm guessing it would cost me way more than sending the deck out. >>Are there simpler (cheaper) ways of making these adjustments myself >>without messing things up? >> >>Gary >> >> >>---------- >>========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>To maintain your account please go here: >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From stan.targowski at attbi.com Sat May 31 16:20:40 2003 From: stan.targowski at attbi.com (Stan Targowski) Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 09:20:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 loss of high frequency response In-Reply-To: <001a01c3274c$f39175e0$f905c5d5@lk> Message-ID: Does anyone know if the Nakamichi Crystalloy rec and playback heads are still available, and roughly what they cost? Stan -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of LEW Kempkes Sent: Sat, May 31, 2003 3:17 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-300 loss of high frequency response Hello Gary, I bought recently also a BX 300. The (recording/play) head seemed strange but i thought i could fix it. But they were badly damaged due to lack of maintanance (?) Just replace them would solve the problem. Good luck. Laurens ----- Original Message ----- From: gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 9:29 PM Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 loss of high frequency response I recently purchase a BX-300 that was described as needing all new rubber parts. I thought I'd give a rubber rejuvenator product a try before replacement. Then I cleaned and demagnetized the heads and capstans. After installation and checkout, I don't see any problem with the drive system, it runs fine mechanically. That said, I can't seem to get the sound off the tape to match the source when comparing them with the Monitor switch. What I hear consistently is a loss of the very high frequencies. I can get it pretty close by setting the bias control fully counter clockwise, but there is still a loss of the high frequency detail. This is true with or without Dolby, or MPX filter. I have used TDK-SA, and Maxell MX metal tapes so far. I have the equalization switch set correctly for each of these tapes. I set the level according to the owner's manual, and have tried recording at substantially lower levels to see if there was any improvement (nope). I have tried using FM inter-station hiss with very poor results - I hear both tonal changes and spatial changes. Not sure what that means... Now, may sound like heresy, but these are very similar to the results I had in the past with my Pioneer 2 head deck. I also should mention that my hearing sucks, with definite loss above 13K. Not sure how that would affect the results of my tests, but if I hear a difference, there must be problems! So, any recommendations or ideas, or am I in need of head alignments or other adjustments? I went through the service manual and it looks like stuff I could handle, but where would I get the necessary gages and tapes? I'm guessing it would cost me way more than sending the deck out. Are there simpler (cheaper) ways of making these adjustments myself without messing things up? Gary ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat May 31 17:38:18 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 22:38:18 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 loss of high frequency response References: Message-ID: <003001c3278a$c34428e0$41299bca@smarzuki> Hi Gary, Most likely your deck needs head alignment. You're right, precise head alignment requires hard to find test tapes, but we can use our ear for rough trimming. Make sure you make a note of the original positions - use fine marker on both the wheels and the small 'pointers' (a sketch on piece of paper won't hurt). High freq problem usually came from azimuth misalignment, which is quite simple to 'fix'. With the cass door removed, playback azimuth trim is the rightmost gear and record az trim is the leftmost gear. I'd suggest you leave both center gear assemblies untouched ! The height alignment gears are very very difficult to set without test tapes. If you're satisfied with playback part of most or average commercial tape then you'd better start with trimming record head. While recording you can trim the record head / leftmost gear to find out the 'best' HF response - just one or two notch at a time please - usually it's never off more than half turn. If best HF response comes from current position i.e. still sound muddled then the problem lies somewhere else - return the rec head az gear to its original position. Good luck ! Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 2:29 AM Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 loss of high frequency response I recently purchase a BX-300 that was described as needing all new rubber parts. I thought I'd give a rubber rejuvenator product a try before replacement. Then I cleaned and demagnetized the heads and capstans. After installation and checkout, I don't see any problem with the drive system, it runs fine mechanically. That said, I can't seem to get the sound off the tape to match the source when comparing them with the Monitor switch. What I hear consistently is a loss of the very high frequencies. I can get it pretty close by setting the bias control fully counter clockwise, but there is still a loss of the high frequency detail. This is true with or without Dolby, or MPX filter. I have used TDK-SA, and Maxell MX metal tapes so far. I have the equalization switch set correctly for each of these tapes. I set the level according to the owner's manual, and have tried recording at substantially lower levels to see if there was any improvement (nope). I have tried using FM inter-station hiss with very poor results - I hear both tonal changes and spatial changes. Not sure what that means... Now, may sound like heresy, but these are very similar to the results I had in the past with my Pioneer 2 head deck. I also should mention that my hearing sucks, with definite loss above 13K. Not sure how that would affect the results of my tests, but if I hear a difference, there must be problems! So, any recommendations or ideas, or am I in need of head alignments or other adjustments? I went through the service manual and it looks like stuff I could handle, but where would I get the necessary gages and tapes? I'm guessing it would cost me way more than sending the deck out. Are there simpler (cheaper) ways of making these adjustments myself without messing things up? Gary -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From blueswapper at angelfire.com Sat May 31 17:42:10 2003 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 08:42:10 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak T-100 Audio Analyzer Message-ID: Greetings..... For those who are interested in the Nak T-100 Audio Analyzer, I just posted the color info brochure on the Nak CyberSpot website. http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakt100a.html Also now have the T-100 owners/service manuals being prepared in .djvu file format. These will be donated to ftp.naks.com in the near future. Support ftp.naks.com, make your contribution soon! Cheers, K.J. Bleus Madison, Wisc USA Lat 43o04'N, Long 89o24'W --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html ____________________________________________________________ Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Sat May 31 21:21:42 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 21:21:42 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 loss of high frequency response Message-ID: HI Stan, I understand that they are available and they are in the area of 140-150 UK Sterling apiece (i.e.) all three heads together - although not a likely contingency - would set you back +- UK Sterling 450.00, without postage. Cheers, Marc The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From msyoder at border.net Sat May 31 23:29:52 2003 From: msyoder at border.net (Michael S. Yoder) Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 16:29:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] TDK SM-X type II tape; recording of live music Message-ID: <002501c327bb$c6961cc0$a9f4c1cf@jnorris.ttu.edu> Hi, Has anyone had experience with TDK SM-X cassettes? This appears to be the best type-II (CrO2) tape offered by TDK right now. Supposedly, this model has the best non-resonance shells TDK offers. Interestingly, 60- and 90-minute sizes seem a bit hard to come by right now, even via the TDK on-line store. I was thinking of ordering a box (or two) of the 30-minute version just to try it out in recording and mixdown of live music. Shorter lengths work out well with that kind of application anyway. Any thoughts? By the way, how many of you cassette machine users on this list use cassette decks for recording music live or in the studio for 2-track recording or mixdowns? I'm just wondering if there are other musician-types or engineer-types out there like me who prefer the analog sound to DAT or MD, and who find the cassette format do-able. I use a NAK. DR-3 and a Sony KA3ES with good results thus far using TDK SA tape. I want to optimize the type of tape I use, however. (Note: I've had bad luck with Maxell XLII, because it quickly dirties up my heads with brown stuff. A technician I spoke with at Tascam has noted this problem as well, so I suspect he and I aren't alone.) Cheers, and thanks for your responses, Michael g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2003\2003-6.txt ************************************************************************ From 75541.100 at compuserve.com Sun Jun 1 00:35:52 2003 From: 75541.100 at compuserve.com (Compudude) Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 18:35:52 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Manuals... Message-ID: <200305311835_MC3-1-3B39-10B8@compuserve.com> Hi Kent, It looks like I need some time to scan the manual, hopefully it will be ready when you get your deck from Mr. Sank. Since replacing the orange caps, my 700zxe works just fine. The remaining problems are: The external dolby-C module is obviously out of spec, It sounds really bad. Since there are no adjustable parts in it, this may yet again be a capacitor issue. The other problem is the noise problem when playing back BASF 90/100 min tapes. I have some nice recordings on these tapes and the deck starts generating squeeky noise (almost perfect 1-2 kHz) when reaching to the end of the tape. I will let you guys know when the scan is ready. Thanks, _Fuad Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com > Hello Fuad, I have a 700ZXE, which is being "Sanktified", ever so slooooooowly. Have not even seen it yet. When I had a 700ZXL sent directly to him by the person I won the bid from, he suggested I trade for a ZXE he had in stock. After all the talk of how expensive it would be to keep a ZXL in operation, I decided to move "down" the ladder in hopes of more time between necessary service visits. I would be interested in the scans of the 700ZXE Owner's Manual. If you can put it on a web page, that would be alright. Otherwise, I can usually take large attachments within my e-mail account. If you would have need of the 550 Dual Tracer Portable Cassette Deck Owner's Manual, I have that available. Thank you for offering to make the 700ZXE Owner's Manual available. Keep Nakin'! Best regards, Kent Merideth >>> 75541.100 at compuserve.com 05/28/03 06:37PM >>> Hi Neale, Now that you have mentioned it, any info about aiwa xks-9000 is welcome. Especially I need the manuals for it. I have the deck itself, but only the flier in Japanese. On the other hand I have the original users/service manual for Nak 700zxe. I can scan pages for anyone interested. Thanks, _Fuad < From stan.targowski at attbi.com Sun Jun 1 01:19:28 2003 From: stan.targowski at attbi.com (Stan Targowski) Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 18:19:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] TDK SM-X type II tape; recording of live music In-Reply-To: <002501c327bb$c6961cc0$a9f4c1cf@jnorris.ttu.edu> Message-ID: Michael - I have quite a few TDK SM-X tapes. This appears to be a SA-X tape with 4th generation cassette mechanism. I have had pretty good experience with these tapes, although my approach is to stick to Maxell XL-II/TDK-D for general recording and to metal formula (Maxell MX-S or BASF TP-IV) for "those special" occassions. I remember reading somewhere that TDK Professional line, which includes the SM-X is especially formulated for multiple recordings on the same tape, and for use while making live masters, so looking at your second paragraph, this may be a good choice for you. As far as optimizing tape type, especially for the DR-3, this may be a good choice, as I would suspect that Pro line would be more consistent. There has been a lot of posts on this list with regard to TDK tapes (SA, SA-X, and MA), particularly from the European market, made in Luxembourg, as being inconsistent within different batches, and within each side of the tape (I think it was Graham who would be setting the azimuth separately on each side before recording on his ZX-9.) With the regard to the Sony unit, switching between tapes should not be a problem considering the unit has a built in pretty decent calibration system (not much you can do about azimuth here though.) Try this link for a source ... --> http://www.worldclasstapes.com/cassettes.php Stan -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Michael S. Yoder Sent: Sat, May 31, 2003 4:30 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] TDK SM-X type II tape; recording of live music Hi, Has anyone had experience with TDK SM-X cassettes? This appears to be the best type-II (CrO2) tape offered by TDK right now. Supposedly, this model has the best non-resonance shells TDK offers. Interestingly, 60- and 90-minute sizes seem a bit hard to come by right now, even via the TDK on-line store. I was thinking of ordering a box (or two) of the 30-minute version just to try it out in recording and mixdown of live music. Shorter lengths work out well with that kind of application anyway. Any thoughts? By the way, how many of you cassette machine users on this list use cassette decks for recording music live or in the studio for 2-track recording or mixdowns? I'm just wondering if there are other musician-types or engineer-types out there like me who prefer the analog sound to DAT or MD, and who find the cassette format do-able. I use a NAK. DR-3 and a Sony KA3ES with good results thus far using TDK SA tape. I want to optimize the type of tape I use, however. (Note: I've had bad luck with Maxell XLII, because it quickly dirties up my heads with brown stuff. A technician I spoke with at Tascam has noted this problem as well, so I suspect he and I aren't alone.) Cheers, and thanks for your responses, Michael ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Sun Jun 1 01:46:48 2003 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 23:46:48 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 loss of high frequency response Message-ID: Hi Stan, Last time I asked last year, the crystalloy heads were �50 each (about US $82 each) from Nakamichi Bowers & Wilkins in UK. The playback, record and erase heads are all the same price each. Their website is: http://www.bowersandwilkins.co.uk/nakamichi/home.htm but they're a bit slow in answering e-mails. Maybe someone in UK can help give them a ring but I'm not in UK at the moment anymore. Kelvin. _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From stan.targowski at attbi.com Sun Jun 1 02:36:44 2003 From: stan.targowski at attbi.com (Stan Targowski) Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 19:36:44 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 loss of high frequency response In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks for the info. I have contacts in the UK, and travel there from time to time. Stan -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of winnie pooh Sent: Sat, May 31, 2003 6:47 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX-300 loss of high frequency response Hi Stan, Last time I asked last year, the crystalloy heads were £50 each (about US $82 each) from Nakamichi Bowers & Wilkins in UK. The playback, record and erase heads are all the same price each. Their website is: http://www.bowersandwilkins.co.uk/nakamichi/home.htm but they're a bit slow in answering e-mails. Maybe someone in UK can help give them a ring but I'm not in UK at the moment anymore. Kelvin. _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From stan.targowski at attbi.com Sun Jun 1 02:42:24 2003 From: stan.targowski at attbi.com (Stan Targowski) Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 19:42:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape - Any Update ??? Message-ID: Does anyone have any update on the marathon tape(s) project? It was such a wonderful idea and program, but somehow it seems to have died out ... I would be curious to see where we stand on this and if there is anything we could do to complete the project - whether analog or CD-R ... Stan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From xsm90 at t-online.de Sun Jun 1 09:32:18 2003 From: xsm90 at t-online.de (Steffi) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 09:32:18 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Part Numbers for Dragon Spares Message-ID: Hi all, I need the part numbers for following items: Eject button Power button Display Keyboard Can anyone help me? Are these numbers listed in the Service manual? Thanks and best regards from Germany Alexander -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Sun Jun 1 11:56:19 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 11:56:19 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] TDK SM-X type II tape; recording of live music; SA and XL-II Message-ID: Howdy Michael, Thanks for your note via direct mail and I will be searching through mainly What Hi-Fi and Hi-Fi Choice mags this afternoon. That's really interesting what you said about Maxell XL-II dirtying your heads. Which one are you using - I know that may sound peculiar but there are a number of locations where it is is made and of course, apart from a bit of batch variation, they have varied (in spec) over the years. To give you an example, current variety wise, there are two to be had in the UK (from the Telford factory) the "Fire" series and the "Mystic" series. The US version is in a goldish wrapper is known as "Cool" presumably, because the guy slumped in the chair on the packaging getting blown away by the sound is 'so cool' !!! Then of course, there are versions made over the past 20+ years, not least the majority of them, particularly in the earlier years, made in Japan. I have heard that the current US version occasionally plays up due to "shell flexing". This may lead to azimuth problems. I haven't heard of excessive particle losses which would indicate degrading of the binder used on the tape itself. Could you tell us the identity of the tape and its age, and perhaps where it was made. Also whether it has been exposed to excessive moisture, heat etc. Michael, I haven't used SM-X although I think it is SA-X in a tougher heat resistant shell. This would make it a very nice tape in every respect. The 30 minute options are precisly for the mixdown work you intend to do. I theoretically own a Sony MDJE-930(I think, something like that) and haven't seen it for nearly a year when I basically left it with my brother. MD is clever in many ways but is not any match whatever for the full bandwidth-full data capabilities of high-end analogue cassette. For non-discriminating listening, it's fine and of course is a handy editting tool. However, it is not a ubiquitous medium and therefore is not a sensible or considerate option for studio work. Sonically, it is quite good on simple material, (but not quite as good as DCC CD-R, or of course our prized Naks) and on complex material the data reduction system (including ATRAC 4.5) is under obvious stress. This can be heard in the softening of the overall sound, the muddying of resolution, the lightening of bass and treble extremes and a general (what I call) "vagueing out". You can imaging what I think of MP3!! The Frauenhofer Institute can sink into the ground for all I care. CD-R is too much schlepp. You have to use it to see for yourself, you might quite enjoy it in the CD-RW format fro recording live music, but it is a digital medium so, what you have is all you'll get, so to speak. You can't make 16 bit into 24 bit. If you stick with analogue, it's infinitely forward compatable. One of our members, Carlos Guzman says there is no substitute for 2-inch Metal tape on his big Studer reel-reels running at 30ips. Dolby SR encoded. DAT is great but the machines can be very delicate and expensive to repair. They are more professional thanks to the sampling options. I have a freind in Jo-Burg who uses a Nakamichi ZX-7 and a Nakamichi LX-3 for live recording. The only problem she has is the auto-tape slack mechanism which is sometimes a nuisance. They are thinking of getting a TASCAM 122/III although know it doesn't sound as good. You will note that the Taxi-Music newsletter (they are agents for many studios and music promotion businesses in the US) always list the specifics for how each client want music submissions and it's always EITHER or BOTH cassette and CD. They usually will accept online music file transfers too. Here's an example: also see AAA/Alternative, Film/TV, Pop, Rock listings) Vice President of A&R at HUGE POWERHOUSE LABEL looking for ELECTRONIC POP ARTISTS with with great songs, superstar personalities, and radio appeal a la Dido to Moby to Stereolab, etc. They have asked us to be be extremely selective. Please submit two to three songs on CD/cassette/online, include lyric sheets, photo and bio. All submissions will be screened and critiqued by TAXI and must be received no later than June 3, 2003. TAXI # S030603EP There are stacks like this above. If you want to get on their mailing list, I'll send it to you. I have a TASCAM 112 amongst many other decks and it's a rock solid machine, although picky about the tapes types it likes. I can assure you Michael you are very, very far from alone in your preference for the analogue sound and your tolerance of the idiosyncracies of tape formats in the studio/listening room. I wouldn't have it any other way. I never say that "there's no substitute for analogue sound". There is.........and sometimes it's very good and very flexible. But for me, at times, it's not sonically believable and therefore, not good enough!!! Whenever I'm not certain, I compare the CD version of The Who's "Tommy" (German Pressing) full Theta setup with the Simply Vinyl 200g LP (Sondek/Lingo/SME V/Transfiguration Esprit/Electrocompaniet recorded onto BASF Ref Maxima TPII via Nakamichi CR-7/Dolby C) and there is JUST no comparison. The analogue trashes the digital version. It's like having your ears syringed!! Cheers, Marc The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From BADANTH at aol.com Sun Jun 1 15:22:42 2003 From: BADANTH at aol.com (BADANTH at aol.com) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 09:22:42 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Cr7 Repair Manual Message-ID: <24.3f5fc433.2c0b5822@aol.com> Now that I've got my CR7 I'd like to have a repair manual. Does anyone have one they can send my way? Also, I'm thinking of possibly doing the gear mod since I have a Cr1 donor right here. Any help would be greatly appreciated... Thanks, ~Anthony~ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ezio.lucenti2 at virgilio.it Sun Jun 1 16:13:19 2003 From: ezio.lucenti2 at virgilio.it (Ezio) Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 16:13:19 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] analog vs. digital In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030601160908.02844930@in.virgilio.it> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From msyoder at border.net Sun Jun 1 19:36:26 2003 From: msyoder at border.net (Michael S. Yoder) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 12:36:26 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: TDK SM-X type II tape; recording of live music;SA and XL-II Message-ID: <004b01c32864$7e9d8940$a8f4c1cf@jnorris.ttu.edu> Hi Marc, Thanks for all the info!! You definitely read between the lines correctly from my last couple of postings. . . .I feel so alone among musicians. There's so much "digital mania" out there that people just can't believe I would actually purchase another cassette machine for use in my live recordings and mixdowns. One colleague who has put together a 16-track Tascam DA-38 digital studio over in Austin tells me I'm "analog-obsessed" and "beating a dead horse" by going the cassette route for analog mixing in my studio. Here in Laredo, the "digital junkies" (my term for people easily impressed by computers, software enabling them to edit out every tiny mistake, and all the corporate advertising that goes along with it) give me blank stares when I tell them about my "old school" recording techniques for capturing my jazz trio (those who hear it, of course, can't believe that ". . . .THAT'S CASSETTE???!!! You only used a pair of condenser mics???!!!") So, yes, you picked up on my sense of solitude. That said, I do use MD from time to time, for the reasons you say (easy to edit and reasonably good sound, especially with the later versions of data compression,) and I avoid DAT for the reasons you say (hard to edit, plenty of stories on the internet and in owners manuals about how tempermental and difficult to maintain they are.) Obviously, for final CD masters, a DAT is essential. CD-R is too permanent. You screw up one little thing, that's it, unless you use the re-writable ones. With a good DAT master, I can dupe a CD that's then used for CD duplication. I must also point out that over the period of 25 years of using the cassette format, I have experienced fewer dropouts (I'm not even sure I know what they are!) than little digital blips I've experienced over the period 8 or 9 years of using DAT, then MD, then CD-R. Not only does data occassionally get dropped out, but it's easy to overload with a too-hot signal in a live recording session, and create that awful digital distortion. . . . I have no idea if it is fixable even in the mastering stage. About the Maxell XLII problem, I think I may have isolated the batch to a purchase of several tapes I made about 3 years ago, but I'm not 100% certain. They have the gold wrapper, but not the emblem of the maxell dude being blown away on the wrapper. That emblem is on the shell. They're made in Japan (says the gold wrapper). The guy I talked to at Tascam told me that the frequent dropout of one of the channels on my 424 MKII is a common problem with people who use Maxell XLII, and therefore, he doesn't recommend that tape, because it has some sort of coating that comes off onto the tape heads (he elaborated, but frankly I forgot what he said it was.) All I know is that when I opened my brand new Sony KA3ES that arrived two weeks ago, and I anxiously looked for an opened tape just to try it out, the closest thing in reach was a Maxell XLII, presumably from that same batch, and within less than an hour, I already had the right channel of the record head so clogged up that the signal dropped to almost zero, and I had to clean it. It happened again within about 30 minutes. I switched to a TDK SA 90 and a Fuji DR-II 90 and have not had the problem again, and I have some 6 to 8 hours of recording, re-recording, etc. The sound I'm getting with both my Nak DR-3 and Sony decks is so stunning that my flute player is now regretting replacing her Nak Dragon (!) with a portable MD. Granted, she needs the portability and the mini stereo mic input, but it's obvious she really misses that sound. I've been in contact with 2 members of the Capetown group "Benguela," who tell me they recorded their first CD on a stereo cassette deck using a 3-mic setup. I didn't ask what brand/model of deck. Yes, please forward the Taxi-Music newsletter info. That sounds like something I need to know more about. Yes, I plan to order some TDK SM-X 30 tapes. I'll post my impressions on this list after a few times of using it. . . .in a month or so. As for turntables, one on-line article by HiFi Choice that I was turned on to mentioned that the NAD "clone" of the Rega 2 is a bit different and doesn't sound quite as precise, but is still good enough for them to rate a "best buy". Last night I did some critical listening to my NAD with Goldring Elektra cartridge and found that some LPs are STUNNING, especially 80's and 90's techno and jazz quartet kinda stuff (example: ECM). But, it makes less sense of the more complex musical styles with thick orchestral arrangements and such. I'm using good electronics and speakers, by the way: Rega Mira integrated amp, JMlab Cobalt 806 speakers, Audioquest coral interconnect, Audioquest Type2 bi-wire speaker wire. If you find anything else that compares the NAD and the Rega 2, I'd be grateful. Cheers, Michael -----Original Message----- From: Mark Hugo To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Sunday, June 01, 2003 5:01 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] TDK SM-X type II tape; recording of live music;SA and XL-II >Howdy Michael, > >Thanks for your note via direct mail and I will be searching through mainly What Hi-Fi and Hi-Fi Choice mags this afternoon. > >That's really interesting what you said about Maxell XL-II dirtying your heads. Which one are you using - I know that may sound peculiar but there are a number of locations where it is is made and of course, apart from a bit of batch variation, they have varied (in spec) over the years. To give you an example, current variety wise, there are two to be had in the UK (from the Telford factory) the "Fire" series and the "Mystic" series. The US version is in a goldish wrapper is known as "Cool" presumably, because the guy slumped in the chair on the packaging getting blown away by the sound is 'so cool' !!! Then of course, there are versions made over the past 20+ years, not least the majority of them, particularly in the earlier years, made in Japan. I have heard that the current US version occasionally plays up due to "shell flexing". This may lead to azimuth problems. I haven't heard of excessive particle losses which would indicate degrading of the binder used on the! > tape itself. Could you tell us the identity of the tape and its age, and perhaps where it was made. Also whether it has been exposed to excessive moisture, heat etc. > >Michael, I haven't used SM-X although I think it is SA-X in a tougher heat resistant shell. This would make it a very nice tape in every respect. The 30 minute options are precisly for the mixdown work you intend to do. > >I theoretically own a Sony MDJE-930(I think, something like that) and haven't seen it for nearly a year when I basically left it with my brother. MD is clever in many ways but is not any match whatever for the full bandwidth-full data capabilities of high-end analogue cassette. For non-discriminating listening, it's fine and of course is a handy editting tool. However, it is not a ubiquitous medium and therefore is not a sensible or considerate option for studio work. Sonically, it is quite good on simple material, (but not quite as good as DCC CD-R, or of course our prized Naks) and on complex material the data reduction system (including ATRAC 4.5) is under obvious stress. This can be heard in the softening of the overall sound, the muddying of resolution, the lightening of bass and treble extremes and a general (what I call) "vagueing out". You can imaging what I think of MP3!! The Frauenhofer Institute can sink into the ground for all I care. > >CD-R is too much schlepp. You have to use it to see for yourself, you might quite enjoy it in the CD-RW format fro recording live music, but it is a digital medium so, what you have is all you'll get, so to speak. You can't make 16 bit into 24 bit. If you stick with analogue, it's infinitely forward compatable. One of our members, Carlos Guzman says there is no substitute for 2-inch Metal tape on his big Studer reel-reels running at 30ips. Dolby SR encoded. DAT is great but the machines can be very delicate and expensive to repair. They are more professional thanks to the sampling options. > >I have a freind in Jo-Burg who uses a Nakamichi ZX-7 and a Nakamichi LX-3 for live recording. The only problem she has is the auto-tape slack mechanism which is sometimes a nuisance. They are thinking of getting a TASCAM 122/III although know it doesn't sound as good. > >You will note that the Taxi-Music newsletter (they are agents for many studios and music promotion businesses in the US) always list the specifics for how each client want music submissions and it's always EITHER or BOTH cassette and CD. They usually will accept online music file transfers too. Here's an example: > >also see AAA/Alternative, Film/TV, Pop, Rock listings) > >Vice President of A&R at HUGE POWERHOUSE LABEL looking for ELECTRONIC POP ARTISTS with with great songs, superstar personalities, and radio appeal a la Dido to Moby to Stereolab, etc. They have asked us to be be extremely selective. Please submit two to three songs on CD/cassette/online, include lyric sheets, photo and bio. All submissions will be screened and critiqued by TAXI and must be received no later than June 3, 2003. >TAXI # S030603EP > >There are stacks like this above. If you want to get on their mailing list, I'll send it to you. > >I have a TASCAM 112 amongst many other decks and it's a rock solid machine, although picky about the tapes types it likes. I can assure you Michael you are very, very far from alone in your preference for the analogue sound and your tolerance of the idiosyncracies of tape formats in the studio/listening room. I wouldn't have it any other way. I never say that "there's no substitute for analogue sound". There is.........and sometimes it's very good and very flexible. But for me, at times, it's not sonically believable and therefore, not good enough!!! Whenever I'm not certain, I compare the CD version of The Who's "Tommy" (German Pressing) full Theta setup with the Simply Vinyl 200g LP (Sondek/Lingo/SME V/Transfiguration Esprit/Electrocompaniet recorded onto BASF Ref Maxima TPII via Nakamichi CR-7/Dolby C) and there is JUST no comparison. The analogue trashes the digital version. It's like having your ears syringed!! > >Cheers, > >Marc From jmtooley at ce.net Sun Jun 1 20:31:27 2003 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 14:31:27 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape - Any Update ??? References: Message-ID: <005801c3286c$03d474a0$8c106343@johnnyrotten> Carlos had/has the cassettes and was going to duplicate them onto cassettes or cd's. John T. ----- Original Message ----- From: Stan Targowski To: Naktalk Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 8:42 PM Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape - Any Update ??? Does anyone have any update on the marathon tape(s) project? It was such a wonderful idea and program, but somehow it seems to have died out ... I would be curious to see where we stand on this and if there is anything we could do to complete the project - whether analog or CD-R ... Stan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From msyoder at border.net Sun Jun 1 20:44:35 2003 From: msyoder at border.net (Michael S. Yoder) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 13:44:35 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] TDK SM-X type II tape; recording of live music Message-ID: <008501c3286d$d9bb8f80$a8f4c1cf@jnorris.ttu.edu> Hi Stan, Thanks for your helpful comments. I just checked the spec's of the TDK tape on the TDK web site (though admittedly, I don't know what a lot of those spec's mean), and found that you're right: the SA-X and SM-X tapea have almost identical spec's. The only differences I could detect were something called "MOL" at 315 Hz, and "Print through" in db. Like you said, the cassette mechanism is different. I agree with you that the 30 minute size may be best for the studio work I want to do. You're also right about the bias calibration system on the Sony deck. It's superb, because it's so easy to use and very accurate. The 2-head Nak. DR-3 is another story. . . it's a pain to set bias. It works very well with TDK SA 90 and Fuji DR-II. There's even a little bit of leeway in the bias control without any audible difference. I have yet to experience any audible differences from tape to tape or batch to batch. Cheers, Michael -----Original Message----- From: Stan Targowski To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Date: Saturday, May 31, 2003 6:21 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] TDK SM-X type II tape; recording of live music >Michael - I have quite a few TDK SM-X tapes. This appears to be a SA-X tape >with 4th generation cassette mechanism. I have had pretty good experience >with these tapes, although my approach is to stick to Maxell XL-II/TDK-D for >general recording and to metal formula (Maxell MX-S or BASF TP-IV) for >"those special" occassions. > >I remember reading somewhere that TDK Professional line, which includes the >SM-X is especially formulated for multiple recordings on the same tape, and >for use while making live masters, so looking at your second paragraph, this >may be a good choice for you. > >As far as optimizing tape type, especially for the DR-3, this may be a good >choice, as I would suspect that Pro line would be more consistent. There has >been a lot of posts on this list with regard to TDK tapes (SA, SA-X, and >MA), particularly from the European market, made in Luxembourg, as being >inconsistent within different batches, and within each side of the tape (I >think it was Graham who would be setting the azimuth separately on each side >before recording on his ZX-9.) > >With the regard to the Sony unit, switching between tapes should not be a >problem considering the unit has a built in pretty decent calibration system >(not much you can do about azimuth here though.) > >Try this link for a source ... --> >http://www.worldclasstapes.com/cassettes.php > >Stan > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Michael S. Yoder >Sent: Sat, May 31, 2003 4:30 PM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: [naktalk] TDK SM-X type II tape; recording of live music > > >Hi, > >Has anyone had experience with TDK SM-X cassettes? This appears to be the >best type-II (CrO2) tape offered by TDK right now. Supposedly, this model >has the best non-resonance shells TDK offers. Interestingly, 60- and >90-minute sizes seem a bit hard to come by right now, even via the TDK >on-line store. I was thinking of ordering a box (or two) of the 30-minute >version just to try it out in recording and mixdown of live music. Shorter >lengths work out well with that kind of application anyway. > >Any thoughts? > >By the way, how many of you cassette machine users on this list use cassette >decks for recording music live or in the studio for 2-track recording or >mixdowns? I'm just wondering if there are other musician-types or >engineer-types out there like me who prefer the analog sound to DAT or MD, >and who find the cassette format do-able. I use a NAK. DR-3 and a Sony >KA3ES with good results thus far using TDK SA tape. I want to optimize the >type of tape I use, however. (Note: I've had bad luck with Maxell XLII, >because it quickly dirties up my heads with brown stuff. A technician I >spoke with at Tascam has noted this problem as well, so I suspect he and I >aren't alone.) > >Cheers, and thanks for your responses, >Michael > > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Jun 1 20:59:34 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 19:59:34 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Recording live music onto cassette In-Reply-To: <004b01c32864$7e9d8940$a8f4c1cf@jnorris.ttu.edu> Message-ID: <001b01c3286f$f1125fe0$8d68893e@oemcomputer> This is most interesting. You'll probably know (though not everyone will, I expect) that the classic "The Texas Campfire Tapes" vinyl LP by Michelle Shocked was laid down onto a humble cassette loaded on a Sony Walkman. I'm sure something of the original will have been lost in the transfer of the original recording to disc but it's still a damn fine recording for all that. Graham > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Michael S. Yoder > Sent: 01 June 2003 18:36 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: [naktalk] Re: TDK SM-X type II tape; recording of live music;SA > and XL-II > > > Hi Marc, > > Thanks for all the info!! You definitely read between the lines correctly > from my last couple of postings. . . .I feel so alone among musicians. > There's so much "digital mania" out there that people just can't believe I > would actually purchase another cassette machine for use in my live > recordings and mixdowns. One colleague who has put together a 16-track > Tascam DA-38 digital studio over in Austin tells me I'm "analog-obsessed" > and "beating a dead horse" by going the cassette route for analog > mixing in > my studio. Here in Laredo, the "digital junkies" (my term for > people easily > impressed by computers, software enabling them to edit out every tiny > mistake, and all the corporate advertising that goes along with > it) give me > blank stares when I tell them about my "old school" recording techniques > for capturing my jazz trio (those who hear it, of course, can't > believe that > ". . . .THAT'S CASSETTE???!!! You only used a pair of condenser > mics???!!!") So, yes, you picked up on my sense of solitude. > > That said, I do use MD from time to time, for the reasons you say (easy to > edit and reasonably good sound, especially with the later versions of data > compression,) and I avoid DAT for the reasons you say (hard to > edit, plenty > of stories on the internet and in owners manuals about how > tempermental and > difficult to maintain they are.) Obviously, for final CD > masters, a DAT is > essential. CD-R is too permanent. You screw up one little thing, that's > it, unless you use the re-writable ones. With a good DAT master, > I can dupe > a CD that's then used for CD duplication. > > I must also point out that over the period of 25 years of using > the cassette > format, I have experienced fewer dropouts (I'm not even sure I know what > they are!) than little digital blips I've experienced over the > period 8 or 9 > years of using DAT, then MD, then CD-R. Not only does data occassionally > get dropped out, but it's easy to overload with a too-hot signal in a live > recording session, and create that awful digital distortion. . . > . I have no > idea if it is fixable even in the mastering stage. > > About the Maxell XLII problem, I think I may have isolated the batch to a > purchase of several tapes I made about 3 years ago, but I'm not 100% > certain. They have the gold wrapper, but not the emblem of the > maxell dude > being blown away on the wrapper. That emblem is on the shell. > They're made > in Japan (says the gold wrapper). The guy I talked to at Tascam told me > that the frequent dropout of one of the channels on my 424 MKII > is a common > problem with people who use Maxell XLII, and therefore, he > doesn't recommend > that tape, because it has some sort of coating that comes off > onto the tape > heads (he elaborated, but frankly I forgot what he said it was.) > All I know > is that when I opened my brand new Sony KA3ES that arrived two weeks ago, > and I anxiously looked for an opened tape just to try it out, the closest > thing in reach was a Maxell XLII, presumably from that same batch, and > within less than an hour, I already had the right channel of the > record head > so clogged up that the signal dropped to almost zero, and I had > to clean it. > It happened again within about 30 minutes. I switched to a TDK > SA 90 and a > Fuji DR-II 90 and have not had the problem again, and I have some 6 to 8 > hours of recording, re-recording, etc. > > The sound I'm getting with both my Nak DR-3 and Sony decks is so stunning > that my flute player is now regretting replacing her Nak Dragon (!) with a > portable MD. Granted, she needs the portability and the mini stereo mic > input, but it's obvious she really misses that sound. > > I've been in contact with 2 members of the Capetown group "Benguela," who > tell me they recorded their first CD on a stereo cassette deck > using a 3-mic > setup. I didn't ask what brand/model of deck. > > Yes, please forward the Taxi-Music newsletter info. That sounds like > something I need to know more about. > > Yes, I plan to order some TDK SM-X 30 tapes. I'll post my impressions on > this list after a few times of using it. . . .in a month or so. > > As for turntables, one on-line article by HiFi Choice that I was turned on > to mentioned that the NAD "clone" of the Rega 2 is a bit different and > doesn't sound quite as precise, but is still good enough for them > to rate a > "best buy". Last night I did some critical listening to my NAD with > Goldring Elektra cartridge and found that some LPs are STUNNING, > especially > 80's and 90's techno and jazz quartet kinda stuff (example: ECM). But, it > makes less sense of the more complex musical styles with thick orchestral > arrangements and such. I'm using good electronics and speakers, > by the way: > Rega Mira integrated amp, JMlab Cobalt 806 speakers, Audioquest coral > interconnect, Audioquest Type2 bi-wire speaker wire. If you find anything > else that compares the NAD and the Rega 2, I'd be grateful. > > Cheers, > Michael > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.486 / Virus Database: 284 - Release Date: 29/05/03 From msyoder at border.net Sun Jun 1 22:22:15 2003 From: msyoder at border.net (Michael S. Yoder) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 15:22:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Recording live music onto cassette Message-ID: <000f01c3287b$7efe7680$aef4c1cf@jnorris.ttu.edu> No, Graham, I was not aware of that!! I've certainly heard of Michelle Shocked but not that particular release. I need to see if any of my buddies around here has that so I can check it out. I suspect there are more than a few well-known recordings in the world that are enjoyed by listeners and that were recorded live to 2-track cassette. Thanks for the tidbit. Michael -----Original Message----- From: Graham Nelson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Date: Sunday, June 01, 2003 2:02 PM Subject: [naktalk] RE: Recording live music onto cassette >This is most interesting. > >You'll probably know (though not everyone will, I expect) that the classic >"The Texas Campfire Tapes" vinyl LP by Michelle Shocked was laid down onto a >humble cassette loaded on a Sony Walkman. I'm sure something of the >original will have been lost in the transfer of the original recording to >disc but it's still a damn fine recording for all that. > >Graham > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Jun 1 22:29:08 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 21:29:08 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Recording live music onto cassette In-Reply-To: <000f01c3287b$7efe7680$aef4c1cf@jnorris.ttu.edu> Message-ID: <000001c3287c$73dfac00$c0814c51@oemcomputer> I suspect this recording was using the 3-head Walkman Pro. (I believe those babes can still be bought new old stock, if not new.) Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Michael S. Yoder > Sent: 01 June 2003 21:22 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: [naktalk] Recording live music onto cassette > > > No, Graham, I was not aware of that!! I've certainly heard of Michelle > Shocked but not that particular release. I need to see if any of > my buddies > around here has that so I can check it out. > > I suspect there are more than a few well-known recordings in the > world that > are enjoyed by listeners and that were recorded live to 2-track cassette. > > Thanks for the tidbit. > Michael > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.486 / Virus Database: 284 - Release Date: 29/05/03 From c123666 at earthlink.net Mon Jun 2 00:25:56 2003 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl C) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 15:25:56 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Recording live music onto cassette In-Reply-To: <000f01c3287b$7efe7680$aef4c1cf@jnorris.ttu.edu> Message-ID: There is a wonderful recording by David Crosby and Graham Nash from circa 1971 titled "One Stony Evening" and was recorded at a theatre with nothing but Shure SM57 microphones. The sound guy must've know what he was doing because the recording is spectacular. It is available on CD from Grateful Dead merchandising. Or, do a search; probably out there. Wonderful live recording with damn cheap equipment. Carl -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Michael S. Yoder Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 1:22 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Recording live music onto cassette No, Graham, I was not aware of that!! I've certainly heard of Michelle Shocked but not that particular release. I need to see if any of my buddies around here has that so I can check it out. I suspect there are more than a few well-known recordings in the world that are enjoyed by listeners and that were recorded live to 2-track cassette. Thanks for the tidbit. Michael -----Original Message----- From: Graham Nelson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Date: Sunday, June 01, 2003 2:02 PM Subject: [naktalk] RE: Recording live music onto cassette >This is most interesting. > >You'll probably know (though not everyone will, I expect) that the classic >"The Texas Campfire Tapes" vinyl LP by Michelle Shocked was laid down onto a >humble cassette loaded on a Sony Walkman. I'm sure something of the >original will have been lost in the transfer of the original recording to >disc but it's still a damn fine recording for all that. > >Graham > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Jun 2 00:41:19 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 08:41:19 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 loss of high frequency response Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02202052@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> I agree Salim, that's the first thing I'd look at before considering changing the head(s). Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Salim Marzuki [mailto:smarzuki at indosat.net.id] Sent: Sunday, 1 June 2003 1:38 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-300 loss of high frequency response Hi Gary, Most likely your deck needs head alignment. You're right, precise head alignment requires hard to find test tapes, but we can use our ear for rough trimming. Make sure you make a note of the original positions - use fine marker on both the wheels and the small 'pointers' (a sketch on piece of paper won't hurt). High freq problem usually came from azimuth misalignment, which is quite simple to 'fix'. With the cass door removed, playback azimuth trim is the rightmost gear and record az trim is the leftmost gear. I'd suggest you leave both center gear assemblies untouched ! The height alignment gears are very very difficult to set without test tapes. If you're satisfied with playback part of most or average commercial tape then you'd better start with trimming record head. While recording you can trim the record head / leftmost gear to find out the 'best' HF response - just one or two notch at a time please - usually it's never off more than half turn. If best HF response comes from current position i.e. still sound muddled then the problem lies somewhere else - return the rec head az gear to its original position. Good luck ! Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 2:29 AM Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 loss of high frequency response I recently purchase a BX-300 that was described as needing all new rubber parts. I thought I'd give a rubber rejuvenator product a try before replacement. Then I cleaned and demagnetized the heads and capstans. After installation and checkout, I don't see any problem with the drive system, it runs fine mechanically. That said, I can't seem to get the sound off the tape to match the source when comparing them with the Monitor switch. What I hear consistently is a loss of the very high frequencies. I can get it pretty close by setting the bias control fully counter clockwise, but there is still a loss of the high frequency detail. This is true with or without Dolby, or MPX filter. I have used TDK-SA, and Maxell MX metal tapes so far. I have the equalization switch set correctly for each of these tapes. I set the level according to the owner's manual, and have tried recording at substantially lower levels to see if there was any improvement (nope). I have tried using FM inter-station hiss with very poor results - I hear both tonal changes and spatial changes. Not sure what that means... Now, may sound like heresy, but these are very similar to the results I had in the past with my Pioneer 2 head deck. I also should mention that my hearing sucks, with definite loss above 13K. Not sure how that would affect the results of my tests, but if I hear a difference, there must be problems! So, any recommendations or ideas, or am I in need of head alignments or other adjustments? I went through the service manual and it looks like stuff I could handle, but where would I get the necessary gages and tapes? I'm guessing it would cost me way more than sending the deck out. Are there simpler (cheaper) ways of making these adjustments myself without messing things up? Gary -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Jun 2 00:44:55 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 08:44:55 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Metal tape and head wear? Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02202053@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Well I must admit that my BX300 will outperform me any day :) Thanks for the giggle Marc, Tom :) -----Original Message----- From: Mark Hugo [mailto:Mhugo at sunint.co.za] Sent: Saturday, 31 May 2003 6:14 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Metal tape and head wear? Hi Tom and Michael, I have heard this (suggestion that metal tapes are harder wearing on heads than other types) but cannot for the life of ver recall hearing or reading of it in a reputable journal. Of course there might have been articles, but I never saw them. I think all I have heard is pretty vague and anecdotal. But, again, anecdotes are sometimes all we have to go on and they are sometimes valid... I was thinking that cassette manufacturers might have emblazoned a warning onto their cassette packaging to the effect that "Type IV tapes can place additional wear on your decks heads. The manufacturer accepts no responsibility, blah balh........" but none of us ever saw that either!! As Tom says, his BX-300 has been using TDK MAs for 15 years and his heads still look and perform flawlessly. (Can we say the same about Tom?!!!!) Only joking Tom!!! I have been using Maxell MX, Hitachi ME (same as the MX), for 15-20 years and now use quite a few SKC ZX Metal Tech IV, and TDK MA ) and I'm pretty sure that they have placed no inordinate wear on the decks in which they have been used. I now need to replace a rec/pb head on a small Aiwa (AD-F270) I use in my AV set-up and that has mainly enjoyed a diet of ferrics. I would however venture to say that head wear is swiftly accelerated if the heads are not cleaned regularly or you put tapes of uncertain origin (2nd hand pre-recorded tapes bought at flea markets for instance) through your deck. I know 1 guy who has a 682ZX and a 582 that not only never puts 2nd hand cassettes into his machines, but never brings a tape back from the car to his listening room. Once it leaves the room, it stays out!!! Perhaps that is taking things a bit far; after all, one should try to keep the car deck clean and dust free too. And, also, putting tapes back in the case immediately afterwards..........It all sound obvious now, but when I was student................... Go well, Marc The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. 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Regards Tom. -----Original Message----- From: kotb at sbcglobal.net [mailto:kotb at sbcglobal.net] Sent: Saturday, 31 May 2003 5:54 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] 582 manuals Hi, Just aquired my first Nakamichi 582 from eBay. The seller told me about an electronic problem, so I have to fix it to get it going. If anyone can, please send me the service manual, or just schematics so I can troubleshoot and hopefully fix the problem. I know that Wouter shut down ftp archive that had that manual posted, so if at all possible I'd like Wouter to email the manual for a fair donation to Naks.com site. I'd rather pay Wouter than pay for a manual on eBay from people who stole manuals from that ftp archive prompting him to shut it down. I will appreciate anyone's reply on this matter. Thanks, Ilya Vasserman. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Jun 2 00:56:30 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 08:56:30 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Need Nakamichi ZX-9 manual! Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02202058@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Mikhail, I'm sending you a copy to your account right now! Regards Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Mikhail Zaydman [mailto:mikhail_zaydman at yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, 31 May 2003 3:43 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Need Nakamichi ZX-9 manual! Hello, I am new to this forum. The Nakamichi ZX-9 arrived yesterday. Plays great what was recorded using DR-10! I'll really appreciate if somebody email me ZX-9 manual to verify recording. Thanks, Mikhail __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From jhkim at pentamicro.com Mon Jun 2 04:55:40 2003 From: jhkim at pentamicro.com (=?ks_c_5601-1987?B?sejBvsf2?=) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 11:55:40 +0900 Subject: [naktalk] DR-8 poor recording performance Message-ID: <011601c328b2$73cefaa0$1901a8c0@jhkim> I recently purchased a new DR-8 deck(2-head). Playback sound is excellent. But when recording music, the sound is very poor(especially, high frequency response is very poor) regardless of tape type, dolby nr. Bias fine tunning improved the sound little but it is not good sound. recording quality of ohter 2 head decks(not NAKS) are better than DR-8 What is the problem? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ti at amb.org Mon Jun 2 05:55:18 2003 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 20:55:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] DR-8 poor recording performance In-Reply-To: <011601c328b2$73cefaa0$1901a8c0@jhkim> from "=?ks_c_5601-1987?B?sejBvsf2?=" at Jun 02, 2003 11:55:40 AM Message-ID: <200306020355.DAA23169@amb.org> Probably someone had messed with the internal adjustments (record bias, equalization and other stuff). You should have it professionally calibrated. -Ti -- /// Ti Kan Vorsprung durch Technik /// AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA /// ti at amb.org ////// http://www.amb.org/ti/ /// =?ks_c_5601-1987?B?sejBvsf2?= writes: > I recently purchased a new DR-8 deck(2-head). Playback sound is excellent. But when recording music, the > > sound is very poor(especially, high frequency response is very poor) regardless of tape type, dolby nr. > > Bias fine tunning improved the sound little but it is not good sound. recording quality of ohter 2 head decks(not NAKS) are better than DR-8 > > What is the problem? From kannan_s at vsnl.com Mon Jun 2 07:21:40 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 10:51:40 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] DR-8 poor recording performance Message-ID: <20030602052140.531CD114957@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From anandnak at rediffmail.com Mon Jun 2 08:30:46 2003 From: anandnak at rediffmail.com (Anand R Sharma) Date: 2 Jun 2003 06:30:46 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Reviews Message-ID: <20030602063046.16551.qmail@webmail28.rediffmail.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From ezio.lucenti2 at virgilio.it Mon Jun 2 17:59:37 2003 From: ezio.lucenti2 at virgilio.it (Ezio) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 17:59:37 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi fans + club web sites ? Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030602175825.02763bb0@in.virgilio.it> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From roleo at telus.net Mon Jun 2 18:48:43 2003 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 09:48:43 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi fans + club web sites ? References: <5.2.1.1.2.20030602175825.02763bb0@in.virgilio.it> Message-ID: <001b01c32926$d5fa42b0$77d8b440@desktop> This is only other Nak site I am aware of: http://tron.um.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~kohno/nak.html http://tron.um.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~kohno/nak-deck2.html ----- Original Message ----- From: Ezio To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 8:59 AM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi fans + club web sites ? Dears, I am looking for other Nakamichi club sites or fan sites tto find informations about CDs and other Naka stuff different that decks... any suggestions please ? Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site http://www.lucenti.com My pages about digital photography ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From msyoder at border.net Mon Jun 2 20:30:04 2003 From: msyoder at border.net (Michael S. Yoder) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 13:30:04 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] DR-8 poor recording performance Message-ID: <002a01c32934$fdc525e0$a6f4c1cf@jnorris.ttu.edu> For those who may find this interesting, I came across the following essay regarding the calibration of cassette decks: http://www.angelfire.com/music4/audio_visions/cal.txt One thing you may want to keep in mind is that if something is very badly out of whack, it may be an internal component that's at fault. This may or may not be more complicated than simply having the calibration of bias done internally. Expect the worst but hope for the best! Cheers, Michael -----Original Message----- From: 김종현 To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Sunday, June 01, 2003 10:00 PM Subject: [naktalk] DR-8 poor recording performance I recently purchased a new DR-8 deck(2-head). Playback sound is excellent. But when recording music, the sound is very poor(especially, high frequency response is very poor) regardless of tape type, dolby nr. Bias fine tunning improved the sound little but it is not good sound. recording quality of ohter 2 head decks(not NAKS) are better than DR-8 What is the problem? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kemppie at studenten.net Mon Jun 2 23:30:39 2003 From: kemppie at studenten.net (LEW Kempkes) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 23:30:39 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette (BX300 vs ZX-7, vs. CR7) References: <9CE60DCE-919F-11D7-B8E3-00039388D952@netvigator.com> Message-ID: <008b01c3294e$3d59f780$9b05c5d5@lk> Hello, Thanks for the info. Could you tell me who is Stephen Sank's. I read a lot about him in Naks. Where does he live ? Email adress ? Thanks Laurens ----- Original Message ----- From: Adam Yousuf To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 8:34 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette (BX300 vs ZX-7, vs. CR7) Hi Laurens, I own a Dragon and have been using it for the last 2 years without any major issues. It has not been "Sankified" yet. So it still has the old orange caps and a few issues with Bias calibration. This is just to convey to you my experiences, the playback is wonderful with any tape I have put in there. It only takes a couple of seconds for the NAAC to lock onto the original recording azimuth and it sounds crystal clear. For the recording, you have to manually calibrate the deck. Since I use TDK tapes mostly, there is very calibration needed since the Nakamichi standard types are pretty much set for the highend TDK Tapes, ie SA=SX AD=EX MA=ZX and there is very little calibration needed with these tapes. The manual calibration comes in real handy when using used tapes or lesser quality tapes. Even with those, the recording sounds super even when played on another brand deck. I have recently purchased a 700ZXL and it is being Sankified as we speak. The reason I bought that is cos when I was young, my uncle had the 700ZXL and I have been chasing after it since. Whether it is better than the CR-7 or not, I am not sure but it is one of the best 1st Generation Silent Mechanism decks that Nakamichi has created. The recordings my uncle made for me 15 years ago still sound like new (esp since he never let any tape less than a TDK SA touch his deck) and it really makes me miss the old days with LPs etc. I have many new high-end tapes that I want to preserve certain types of music and want the 700ZXL to squeeze out every ounce of recording potential from those tapes. This is the advantage of auto calibration where it can calibrate to the highest degree on new tapes. With cheaper tapes or used tapes, you might find the auto-calibration failing, so that is where the manual calibration of the Dragon comes in. So soon I will have one deck for recording "pristine" recordings and one deck for playing back all tapes with "pristine" sound and recording onto used or lower quality tapes. Hope this helps you. I might be a bit biased, but I think you won't go wrong with a Dragon, especially if it has been thru Stephen Sank's capable hands. It is not a very technical review. I wonder if the others have shared similar experiences. I've been on this list for 4 years now and have learned a lot from the "regulars". :) Good luck! Adam On Thursday, May 29, 2003, at 04:54 AM, LEW Kempkes wrote: Hallo Stan, Thanks for the info. I could also buy a Dragon for about € 500. So is this a better machine than the CR-7 or ZX-9 ? Or could I better go for a 680ZX or 682 ZX (a lot cheaper) with a High Com Could you tell me what is the better choice for the price. Or should I go for a different deck. Laurens ----- Original Message ----- From: Stan Targowski To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2003 9:32 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cassette (BX300 vs ZX-7, vs. CR7) Assuming the same condition, I would buy ZX-7. Mainly to the fact that ZX series is very well respected, and the deck has custom calibration controls for each tape type and channel (400/15000Hz test tones )- i.e., you would be able to match it to more or less any tape type.(Calibration is available in CR7, but not in BX-300 which just has a bias control.) CR-7 is the best of the three, it is the newest model of them all, yet it is the most expensive, and has the most complex controls (driven by a computer - so easy on the user, but case anything goes wrong ...). Both BX-300 and CR7 offer direct drive motors, whilst the ZX-7 has a belt driven one. However, a DD version of ZX-7, named ZX-9 often times sells for more than CR-7. Taking aside older 1000ZXL/700ZXL (expensive to own due to age and parts scarcity), CR7 and ZX9 are typically considered the best sounding decks Nakamichi has ever made. My $0..02 ... Stan -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of LEW Kempkes Sent: Sat, May 24, 2003 2:08 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Hallo, I' am about to buy a ZX-7. Could anyone tell me whether this is a good deck. Has anyone experience with this deck ? Or could I better buy a BX 300E of CR-7E. First one is cheaper and the last much higher in price. 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URL: From ti at amb.org Mon Jun 2 23:35:05 2003 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 14:35:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Cassette (BX300 vs ZX-7, vs. CR7) In-Reply-To: <008b01c3294e$3d59f780$9b05c5d5@lk> from "LEW Kempkes" at Jun 02, 2003 11:30:39 PM Message-ID: <200306022135.VAA00058@amb.org> Try: http://stephensank.com -Ti Nakamichi Dragon -- /// Ti Kan Vorsprung durch Technik /// AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA /// ti at amb.org ////// http://www.amb.org/ti/ /// LEW Kempkes writes: > Could you tell me who is Stephen Sank's. I read a lot about him in Naks. = > Where does he live ? Email adress ? From BADANTH at aol.com Mon Jun 2 23:38:05 2003 From: BADANTH at aol.com (BADANTH at aol.com) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 17:38:05 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Cassette (BX300 vs ZX-7, vs. CR7) Message-ID: Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer Talking Dog Transducer Company http://stephensank.com 5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] 505-332-0336 Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer Payments preferred through Paypal.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmtooley at ce.net Mon Jun 2 23:53:27 2003 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 17:53:27 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette (BX300 vs ZX-7, vs. CR7) References: <9CE60DCE-919F-11D7-B8E3-00039388D952@netvigator.com> <008b01c3294e$3d59f780$9b05c5d5@lk> Message-ID: <008e01c32951$6661c880$35106343@johnnyrotten> Stephen Sank, Albuquerque, N.M. USA email him at bk11 at thuntek.net John T. ----- Original Message ----- From: LEW Kempkes To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 5:30 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette (BX300 vs ZX-7, vs. CR7) Hello, Thanks for the info. Could you tell me who is Stephen Sank's. I read a lot about him in Naks. Where does he live ? Email adress ? Thanks Laurens ----- Original Message ----- From: Adam Yousuf To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 8:34 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette (BX300 vs ZX-7, vs. CR7) Hi Laurens, I own a Dragon and have been using it for the last 2 years without any major issues. It has not been "Sankified" yet. So it still has the old orange caps and a few issues with Bias calibration. This is just to convey to you my experiences, the playback is wonderful with any tape I have put in there. It only takes a couple of seconds for the NAAC to lock onto the original recording azimuth and it sounds crystal clear. For the recording, you have to manually calibrate the deck. Since I use TDK tapes mostly, there is very calibration needed since the Nakamichi standard types are pretty much set for the highend TDK Tapes, ie SA=SX AD=EX MA=ZX and there is very little calibration needed with these tapes. The manual calibration comes in real handy when using used tapes or lesser quality tapes. Even with those, the recording sounds super even when played on another brand deck. I have recently purchased a 700ZXL and it is being Sankified as we speak. The reason I bought that is cos when I was young, my uncle had the 700ZXL and I have been chasing after it since. Whether it is better than the CR-7 or not, I am not sure but it is one of the best 1st Generation Silent Mechanism decks that Nakamichi has created. The recordings my uncle made for me 15 years ago still sound like new (esp since he never let any tape less than a TDK SA touch his deck) and it really makes me miss the old days with LPs etc. I have many new high-end tapes that I want to preserve certain types of music and want the 700ZXL to squeeze out every ounce of recording potential from those tapes. This is the advantage of auto calibration where it can calibrate to the highest degree on new tapes. With cheaper tapes or used tapes, you might find the auto-calibration failing, so that is where the manual calibration of the Dragon comes in. So soon I will have one deck for recording "pristine" recordings and one deck for playing back all tapes with "pristine" sound and recording onto used or lower quality tapes. Hope this helps you. I might be a bit biased, but I think you won't go wrong with a Dragon, especially if it has been thru Stephen Sank's capable hands. It is not a very technical review. I wonder if the others have shared similar experiences. I've been on this list for 4 years now and have learned a lot from the "regulars". :) Good luck! Adam On Thursday, May 29, 2003, at 04:54 AM, LEW Kempkes wrote: Hallo Stan, Thanks for the info. I could also buy a Dragon for about € 500. So is this a better machine than the CR-7 or ZX-9 ? Or could I better go for a 680ZX or 682 ZX (a lot cheaper) with a High Com Could you tell me what is the better choice for the price. Or should I go for a different deck. Laurens ----- Original Message ----- From: Stan Targowski To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2003 9:32 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cassette (BX300 vs ZX-7, vs. CR7) Assuming the same condition, I would buy ZX-7. Mainly to the fact that ZX series is very well respected, and the deck has custom calibration controls for each tape type and channel (400/15000Hz test tones )- i.e., you would be able to match it to more or less any tape type.(Calibration is available in CR7, but not in BX-300 which just has a bias control.) CR-7 is the best of the three, it is the newest model of them all, yet it is the most expensive, and has the most complex controls (driven by a computer - so easy on the user, but case anything goes wrong ...). Both BX-300 and CR7 offer direct drive motors, whilst the ZX-7 has a belt driven one. However, a DD version of ZX-7, named ZX-9 often times sells for more than CR-7. Taking aside older 1000ZXL/700ZXL (expensive to own due to age and parts scarcity), CR7 and ZX9 are typically considered the best sounding decks Nakamichi has ever made. My $0..02 ... Stan -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of LEW Kempkes Sent: Sat, May 24, 2003 2:08 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Hallo, I' am about to buy a ZX-7. Could anyone tell me whether this is a good deck. Has anyone experience with this deck ? Or could I better buy a BX 300E of CR-7E. First one is cheaper and the last much higher in price. 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I can e-mail you the pdf (only 1 meg) so you can see for yourself, would you like a copy? If yes is your account ok to take this size file? Regards Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Steffi [mailto:bittersc at web.de] Sent: Tuesday, 3 June 2003 3:05 To: Com Naktalk at Naks. Subject: [naktalk] Spare part number for Dragon Importance: High Sensitivity: Personal Hi there, I am looking for the original spare part numbers for following Dragon parts: Eject button Power button Keyboard, complete Display I need this numbers urgently in order to get the right parts for my beloved Dragon. Cheers Alexander -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ti at amb.org Tue Jun 3 08:11:56 2003 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 23:11:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Spare part number for Dragon In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02202066@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> from "Thomas Siomopoulos" at Jun 03, 2003 03:58:09 PM Message-ID: <200306030611.GAA01902@amb.org> I am not sure if the part numbers would help any... I am looking for the power and eject buttons too, and have contacted Nakamichi USA as well as the other sources mentioned on this list. Nakamichi no longer has these parts and none of the other sources had them either. If you have any luck locating these items in good condition (i.e., the printed markings on them are not worn off/faded), let me know! -Ti Nakamichi Dragon (perfect except those two buttons) -- /// Ti Kan Vorsprung durch Technik /// AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA /// ti at amb.org ////// http://www.amb.org/ti/ /// Thomas Siomopoulos writes: > Hi Alexander. I have the service manual here and can give you the part > numbers, but the way I'm reading the parts list it looks like the buttons > come complete as one item. I can e-mail you the pdf (only 1 meg) so you can > see for yourself, would you like a copy? If yes is your account ok to take > this size file? > > Regards Tom. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steffi [mailto:bittersc at web.de] > > I am looking for the original spare part numbers for following Dragon parts: > > Eject button > Power button > Keyboard, complete > Display > > I need this numbers urgently in order to get the right parts for my beloved > Dragon. From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Tue Jun 3 08:05:31 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 16:05:31 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Metal tape and head wear? Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0220206E@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> I agree. I think if you use a combo of TDK/Maxell tapes in Naks there should not be any probs. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Adam Yousuf [mailto:adamyh at netvigator.com] Sent: Thursday, 29 May 2003 4:37 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Metal tape and head wear? Hi Tom, Similar experience here with my Dragon. No sonic difference after many uses but then it just might be the NAAC compensating. Unless there is someone who has done a real scientific measurement, I don't think with the newer tapes created esp by TDK would have any issues on a Nak deck. Adam On Thursday, May 29, 2003, at 06:06 AM, Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: Hi Michael. I've been using metal tapes on all my BX300 for the past 15 years and the heads still show as being new. The quality of recording have not changed, they are still 100%. The tapes themselves (mostly TDK MA) are still in great shape. What do others think? Have they had good or bad experiences? Regards, Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Michael S. Yoder [mailto:msyoder at border.net] Sent: Thursday, 29 May 2003 2:02 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Metal tape and head wear? Hello, Ti Kan and I have been chatting back and forth about a few issues, including whether or not metal tape accelerates head wear. Ti is not aware of any empirical evidence to suggest that it does, yet I seem to recall reading several things in magazines years ago (pre-internet days. . . .Al Gore, what took you so long?) that indicated that metal tape does increase head wear. I was unable to find anything in this site's archives related to the topic, so I apologize if this has been asked before. If such a thread exists, I would appreciate someone directing me to it. I also did a search on Google using key words such as "metal cassette tape head wear" and found virtually nothing technical related to audio cassettes, but quite a bit on video cassettes and DAT, which I didn't take the time to read. I seem to recall back in the 1980s or early 90s when metal tape was popular that the belief existed by some that this type of tape accelerates erosion of tape heads. I'm just getting back into heavy use of the cassette format after some disappointments using DAT and MD. I have a Nak DR-3 and a Sony KA3ES. I'd like to experiment with metal tape so I can run a hotter signal when recording my jazz trio in a live situation, but am concerned about this possible issue with tape head wear. Is it true or myth? Thanks. 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I am looking for the power and eject buttons too, and have contacted Nakamichi USA as well as the other sources mentioned on this list. Nakamichi no longer has these parts and none of the other sources had them either. If you have any luck locating these items in good condition (i.e., the printed markings on them are not worn off/faded), let me know! -Ti Nakamichi Dragon (perfect except those two buttons) -- /// Ti Kan Vorsprung durch Technik /// AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA /// ti at amb.org ////// http://www.amb.org/ti/ /// Thomas Siomopoulos writes: > Hi Alexander. I have the service manual here and can give you the part > numbers, but the way I'm reading the parts list it looks like the buttons > come complete as one item. I can e-mail you the pdf (only 1 meg) so you can > see for yourself, would you like a copy? If yes is your account ok to take > this size file? > > Regards Tom. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steffi [mailto:bittersc at web.de] > > I am looking for the original spare part numbers for following Dragon parts: > > Eject button > Power button > Keyboard, complete > Display > > I need this numbers urgently in order to get the right parts for my beloved > Dragon. ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From jmtooley at ce.net Tue Jun 3 15:04:11 2003 From: jmtooley at ce.net (jmtooley at ce.net) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 09:04:11 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic! Message-ID: <1054645451.3edc9ccb997b8@mail.ce.net> DVD Questions. I just snagged a Sony U10A DVD Burner on eBay. What is the story with blank media for these? I believe I have seen 2 and 4 Gig. blanks, what is the word here and are there brands to stay clear of? Apparently this unit burns in either of both approved DVD formats, whatever they are. Can DVD movies be copied without special decoding, illegal software? I have CD Creator 6 Platinum and wonder if this is all that I need. Thank you, John T. From roleo at telus.net Tue Jun 3 17:49:52 2003 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 08:49:52 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Spare part number for Dragon References: Message-ID: <002801c329e7$c5fecc20$77d8b440@desktop> In view of the problem of our tape deck buttons wearing out -- such as has been the case for the stencilling of the Dragon buttons, are there any suggestions for keeping the buttons looking good? I thought of using clear plastic stickers (cut to size and shape) over the button. Anybody have a suggestion for such as source of this type of material? -- Roland ----- Original Message ----- From: Steffi To: Com Naktalk at Naks. Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 10:05 PM Subject: [naktalk] Spare part number for Dragon Hi there, I am looking for the original spare part numbers for following Dragon parts: Eject button Power button Keyboard, complete Display I need this numbers urgently in order to get the right parts for my beloved Dragon. Cheers Alexander ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bittersc at web.de Tue Jun 3 20:53:55 2003 From: bittersc at web.de (Steffi) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 20:53:55 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] WG: Spare part number for Dragon Message-ID: Hi there, I am looking for the original spare part numbers for following Dragon parts: Eject button Power button Keyboard, complete Display I need this numbers urgently in order to get the right parts for my beloved Dragon. Cheers Alexander -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From khmerideth at anderson.edu Tue Jun 3 21:25:25 2003 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 14:25:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Manuals... Message-ID: Hello Fuad, Thank you for the reply. Noticed my offer on the 550 was for the wrong manual; it's the service manual, not the owner's manual. Whenever you get the ZXE owner's manual scanned, please let me know. Kent Merideth >>> 75541.100 at compuserve.com 05/31/03 05:35PM >>> Hi Kent, It looks like I need some time to scan the manual, hopefully it will be ready when you get your deck from Mr. Sank. Since replacing the orange caps, my 700zxe works just fine. The remaining problems are: The external dolby-C module is obviously out of spec, It sounds really bad. Since there are no adjustable parts in it, this may yet again be a capacitor issue. The other problem is the noise problem when playing back BASF 90/100 min tapes. I have some nice recordings on these tapes and the deck starts generating squeeky noise (almost perfect 1-2 kHz) when reaching to the end of the tape. I will let you guys know when the scan is ready. Thanks, _Fuad Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com > Hello Fuad, I have a 700ZXE, which is being "Sanktified", ever so slooooooowly. Have not even seen it yet. When I had a 700ZXL sent directly to him by the person I won the bid from, he suggested I trade for a ZXE he had in stock. After all the talk of how expensive it would be to keep a ZXL in operation, I decided to move "down" the ladder in hopes of more time between necessary service visits. I would be interested in the scans of the 700ZXE Owner's Manual. If you can put it on a web page, that would be alright. Otherwise, I can usually take large attachments within my e-mail account. If you would have need of the 550 Dual Tracer Portable Cassette Deck Owner's Manual, I have that available. Thank you for offering to make the 700ZXE Owner's Manual available. Keep Nakin'! Best regards, Kent Merideth >>> 75541.100 at compuserve.com 05/28/03 06:37PM >>> Hi Neale, Now that you have mentioned it, any info about aiwa xks-9000 is welcome. Especially I need the manuals for it. I have the deck itself, but only the flier in Japanese. On the other hand I have the original users/service manual for Nak 700zxe. I can scan pages for anyone interested. Thanks, _Fuad < ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kemppie at studenten.net Tue Jun 3 22:23:16 2003 From: kemppie at studenten.net (LEW Kempkes) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 22:23:16 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Need Nakamichi ZX-9 manual! References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02202058@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <003c01c32a0e$3a4f7360$1905c5d5@lk> Hi Thomas, It seems that you have a lot of Nakamichi stuff at home. Do you have any info about the CR-7E. The brochure perhaps. If so, could you mail it to me? But only if it's not larger than 5 mb. (My boss still remembers the last time, the High Com brochure) kempkes at westerveldvossers.nl Thanks Laurens ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 12:56 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Need Nakamichi ZX-9 manual! > Hi Mikhail, I'm sending you a copy to your account right now! > > Regards Tom. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mikhail Zaydman [mailto:mikhail_zaydman at yahoo.com] > Sent: Saturday, 31 May 2003 3:43 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Need Nakamichi ZX-9 manual! > > > Hello, > > I am new to this forum. > The Nakamichi ZX-9 arrived yesterday. Plays great what > was recorded using DR-10! > I'll really appreciate if somebody email me ZX-9 > manual to verify recording. > > Thanks, > Mikhail > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). > http://calendar.yahoo.com > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > From jooliebug at socket.net Tue Jun 3 23:14:34 2003 From: jooliebug at socket.net (Julie Babin) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 16:14:34 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Getting a message to Stephen Sank Message-ID: <006501c32a15$22617d00$39426ad8@computer> Hello Naks, I own a RX 505 and a PA-1 for home,a TD1200 II, a DAC101, a Nak Preamp for my car. Do I qualify to be a Naktalk member ? Anyway I was wanting to get some DIY interconnect information from Stephen Sank. If possible PLEASE respond. Steve (455gearhead) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jun 4 09:59:14 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 08:59:14 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Getting a message to Stephen Sank In-Reply-To: <006501c32a15$22617d00$39426ad8@computer> Message-ID: <000601c32a6f$30bf84a0$b4d4883e@oemcomputer> Hi Steve Try the recipe as below. This was given to me by a guy who used to work for an obscure high end UK fi fi makers (99.9% of their equipment being sold for around $1k-£2k each) who were persuaded by their customers to sell them a suitable matching interconnect. They decided to make their own for the job and this is precisely how they did it. (When I say "obscure", this was I am told because, having had their budget integrated amp, a £500 affair, reviewed by one of the main UK magazines, they were offered more great reviews in return for some advertising revenue. They declined and were never heard of again in the pages of that magazine!) Ron/All I used solid core, 1/1·0mm copper conductor with cellular polythene insulation, braided screen and sheathed overall in brown and white PVC coax cable. I strip out the core conductor, leaving it in the polythene insulation. Cut three lengths of equal lengths, of the appropriate length. Tape one end of the three of them together. Plat the remaining three. At the end of the plate, tape again to hold the plat in place. The start soldering the plugs on! As with some of those expensive (and not so expensive) three wire cables, I soldered two to Ground at one end and only one to Ground at the other end. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Julie Babin Sent: 03 June 2003 22:15 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Getting a message to Stephen Sank Hello Naks, I own a RX 505 and a PA-1 for home,a TD1200 II, a DAC101, a Nak Preamp for my car. Do I qualify to be a Naktalk member ? Anyway I was wanting to get some DIY interconnect information from Stephen Sank. If possible PLEASE respond. Steve (455gearhead) --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.486 / Virus Database: 284 - Release Date: 29/05/03 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Wed Jun 4 12:25:40 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 20:25:40 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Spare part number for Dragon Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0220207C@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Roland. In Australia we have a product called contact, it's a thin roll of plastic with an adhesive back. It comes in all sorts of colors and even in transparent, may be this could be the answer. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Roland Alford [mailto:roleo at telus.net] Sent: Wednesday, 4 June 2003 1:50 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Spare part number for Dragon In view of the problem of our tape deck buttons wearing out -- such as has been the case for the stencilling of the Dragon buttons, are there any suggestions for keeping the buttons looking good? I thought of using clear plastic stickers (cut to size and shape) over the button. Anybody have a suggestion for such as source of this type of material? -- Roland ----- Original Message ----- From: Steffi To: Com Naktalk at Naks. Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 10:05 PM Subject: [naktalk] Spare part number for Dragon Hi there, I am looking for the original spare part numbers for following Dragon parts: Eject button Power button Keyboard, complete Display I need this numbers urgently in order to get the right parts for my beloved Dragon. Cheers Alexander _____ ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ad.i at wanadoo.fr Wed Jun 4 14:35:55 2003 From: ad.i at wanadoo.fr (Adrien F.) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 13:35:55 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Strap Case Nak 550 Message-ID: <20030604113652.62710300045C@mwinf0201.wanadoo.fr> Hello, I look for a strap (carruying belt) and a carrying case for a Nakamichi 550. You can contact at ad.i at wanadoo.fr Adrien FAUTRAT From anandnak at rediffmail.com Wed Jun 4 17:24:39 2003 From: anandnak at rediffmail.com (Anand R Sharma) Date: 4 Jun 2003 15:24:39 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Need Nakamichi ZX-9 manual! Message-ID: <20030604152439.14717.qmail@webmail27.rediffmail.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From mwhipple at charter.net Wed Jun 4 18:29:03 2003 From: mwhipple at charter.net (Matthew Whipple) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 12:29:03 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Need Nakamichi ZX-9 manual! References: <20030604152439.14717.qmail@webmail27.rediffmail.com> Message-ID: <002201c32ab6$69936e30$2adc6799@nat67369> I have the CR-7/CR-5 owners manual in pdf format. It is 6.6 meg in size. I anyone can accept an attachment that size, let me know and I will email it to you. Matt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anand R Sharma" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 11:24 AM Subject: [naktalk] Need Nakamichi ZX-9 manual! > > Hi ! > > Im also on the lookout for a CR-7 Manual ! > > Thanks > Anand > > On Wed, 04 Jun 2003 LEW Kempkes wrote : > >Hi Thomas, > > > >It seems that you have a lot of Nakamichi stuff at home. Do you > >have any > >info about the CR-7E. The brochure perhaps. If so, could you mail > >it to me? > >But only if it's not larger than 5 mb. (My boss still remembers > >the last > >time, the High Com brochure) > >kempkes at westerveldvossers.nl > > > >Thanks > >Laurens > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > From: Thomas Siomopoulos > >To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > >Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 12:56 AM > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Need Nakamichi ZX-9 manual! > > > > > > > Hi Mikhail, I'm sending you a copy to your account right > >now! > > > > > > Regards Tom. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Mikhail Zaydman [mailto:mikhail_zaydman at yahoo.com] > > > Sent: Saturday, 31 May 2003 3:43 > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: [naktalk] Need Nakamichi ZX-9 manual! > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > I am new to this forum. > > > The Nakamichi ZX-9 arrived yesterday. Plays great what > > > was recorded using DR-10! > > > I'll really appreciate if somebody email me ZX-9 > > > manual to verify recording. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Mikhail > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! 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References: <20030604152439.14717.qmail@webmail27.rediffmail.com> Message-ID: <01a401c32b2c$55a778a0$41ea64c8@msx> Well, as you just talk about manuals, I need the service manuals for CR5/7, 700 II and 480. In same conditions as below, if you could send to me, only if its not larger than 5mb ;-) I think in PDF format is the better. Thanks for all Daniel > Hi ! > > Im also on the lookout for a CR-7 Manual ! > > Thanks > Anand > > On Wed, 04 Jun 2003 LEW Kempkes wrote : > >Hi Thomas, > > > >It seems that you have a lot of Nakamichi stuff at home. Do you > >have any > >info about the CR-7E. The brochure perhaps. If so, could you mail > >it to me? > >But only if it's not larger than 5 mb. (My boss still remembers > >the last > >time, the High Com brochure) > >kempkes at westerveldvossers.nl > > > >Thanks > >Laurens > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > From: Thomas Siomopoulos > >To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > >Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 12:56 AM > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Need Nakamichi ZX-9 manual! > > > > > > > Hi Mikhail, I'm sending you a copy to your account right > >now! > > > > > > Regards Tom. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Mikhail Zaydman [mailto:mikhail_zaydman at yahoo.com] > > > Sent: Saturday, 31 May 2003 3:43 > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: [naktalk] Need Nakamichi ZX-9 manual! > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > I am new to this forum. > > > The Nakamichi ZX-9 arrived yesterday. Plays great what > > > was recorded using DR-10! > > > I'll really appreciate if somebody email me ZX-9 > > > manual to verify recording. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Mikhail > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to > >Outlook(TM). > > > http://calendar.yahoo.com > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = > > > ======= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > To maintain your account please go here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = > > > ======= > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = > >======= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > To maintain your account please go here: > >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = > >======= > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >To maintain your account please go here: > >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > ___________________________________________________ > Get email that means BUSINESS! me @ mycompany.com. > Just Rs.1499/year. > To start, click http://www.rediffmailpro.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu Jun 5 08:58:32 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 08:58:32 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] Need Nakamichi ZX-9 manual! In-Reply-To: <01a401c32b2c$55a778a0$41ea64c8@msx> References: <20030604152439.14717.qmail@webmail27.rediffmail.com> <01a401c32b2c$55a778a0$41ea64c8@msx> Message-ID: <9326.212.78.179.234.1054796312.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Well as we talk about manuals.... I need the owners and service manuals voor 700ZXE PDF will do just fine for me too :-) Gracias, Wouter > Well, as you just talk about manuals, I need the service manuals for > CR5/7, > 700 II and 480. In same conditions as below, if you could send to me, only > if its not larger than 5mb ;-) > > I think in PDF format is the better. > > Thanks for all > Daniel > >> Hi ! >> >> Im also on the lookout for a CR-7 Manual ! >> >> Thanks >> Anand >> >> On Wed, 04 Jun 2003 LEW Kempkes wrote : >> >Hi Thomas, >> > >> >It seems that you have a lot of Nakamichi stuff at home. Do you >> >have any >> >info about the CR-7E. The brochure perhaps. If so, could you mail >> >it to me? >> >But only if it's not larger than 5 mb. (My boss still remembers >> >the last >> >time, the High Com brochure) >> >kempkes at westerveldvossers.nl >> > >> >Thanks >> >Laurens >> > >> >----- Original Message ----- >> > From: Thomas Siomopoulos >> >To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' >> >Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 12:56 AM >> >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Need Nakamichi ZX-9 manual! >> > >> > >> > > Hi Mikhail, I'm sending you a copy to your account right >> >now! >> > > >> > > Regards Tom. >> > > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > From: Mikhail Zaydman [mailto:mikhail_zaydman at yahoo.com] >> > > Sent: Saturday, 31 May 2003 3:43 >> > > To: naktalk at naks.com >> > > Subject: [naktalk] Need Nakamichi ZX-9 manual! >> > > >> > > >> > > Hello, >> > > >> > > I am new to this forum. >> > > The Nakamichi ZX-9 arrived yesterday. Plays great what >> > > was recorded using DR-10! >> > > I'll really appreciate if somebody email me ZX-9 >> > > manual to verify recording. >> > > >> > > Thanks, >> > > Mikhail >> > > >> > > __________________________________ >> > > Do you Yahoo!? >> > > Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to >> >Outlook(TM). >> > > http://calendar.yahoo.com >> > > >> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------= > = >> > > ======= >> > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> > > To maintain your account please go here: >> > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > > >> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------= > = >> > > ======= >> > > >> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------= > = >> >======= >> > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> > > To maintain your account please go here: >> >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > > >> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------= > = >> >======= >> > > >> > >> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------= > ======== >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> >To maintain your account please go here: >> >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------= > ======== >> >> ___________________________________________________ >> Get email that means BUSINESS! me @ mycompany.com. >> Just Rs.1499/year. >> To start, click http://www.rediffmailpro.com >> >> > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= >> > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > From adamyh at mac.com Thu Jun 5 02:36:27 2003 From: adamyh at mac.com (Adam Yousuf) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 08:36:27 +0800 Subject: [naktalk] Reviews of 700ZXL In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20030602175825.02763bb0@in.virgilio.it> Message-ID: Hello everyone, Can someone mail me any 700ZXL Reviews if any out there? Thanks Adam From wdrewes at iafrica.com Thu Jun 5 09:56:03 2003 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wme drewes) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 09:56:03 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Manual 700 ZXE References: <20030604152439.14717.qmail@webmail27.rediffmail.com> <01a401c32b2c$55a778a0$41ea64c8@msx> <9326.212.78.179.234.1054796312.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <001701c32b38$0a51c5c0$2200000a@wdrewes> Wouter, I have the above on cd.Please give me postal address,so I can post to you from South Africa. The manual is very thick and I dont have the time to make sure it goes through our hickeldy-pickeldy service provider (Which has cost me many a NAK deal on eBay in the last 2 Months! ) Maybe you could please,after receipt, download it on the site ,for me please? As I cant get on to the site ,I dont know what you have on it.I have a host of service manuals (and owner manuals)for various NAK cassettes and other items ranging from tuner,T100 audio analyzer ,PA7 ,CA7to service manual for the Black box series.Maybe you can contact me offline to make arrangements. As you know it takes a v.v. long time to scan any manual properly,and I cant afford (timewise )to respond to individual requests (however much I feel I am oblidged to !)Although it will take some time to scan those you need,at least the even longer time to transmit to you without breaks will be eliminated if I send by CD. Hope to hear from you! Walter Drewes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wouter Heijke" To: Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Need Nakamichi ZX-9 manual! > Well as we talk about manuals.... I need the owners and service manuals > voor 700ZXE > > PDF will do just fine for me too :-) > > Gracias, > > Wouter > > > Well, as you just talk about manuals, I need the service manuals for > > CR5/7, > > 700 II and 480. In same conditions as below, if you could send to me, only > > if its not larger than 5mb ;-) > > > > I think in PDF format is the better. > > > > Thanks for all > > Daniel > > > >> Hi ! > >> > >> Im also on the lookout for a CR-7 Manual ! > >> > >> Thanks > >> Anand > >> > >> On Wed, 04 Jun 2003 LEW Kempkes wrote : > >> >Hi Thomas, > >> > > >> >It seems that you have a lot of Nakamichi stuff at home. Do you > >> >have any > >> >info about the CR-7E. The brochure perhaps. If so, could you mail > >> >it to me? > >> >But only if it's not larger than 5 mb. (My boss still remembers > >> >the last > >> >time, the High Com brochure) > >> >kempkes at westerveldvossers.nl > >> > > >> >Thanks > >> >Laurens > >> > > >> >----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: Thomas Siomopoulos > >> >To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > >> >Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 12:56 AM > >> >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Need Nakamichi ZX-9 manual! > >> > > >> > > >> > > Hi Mikhail, I'm sending you a copy to your account right > >> >now! > >> > > > >> > > Regards Tom. > >> > > > >> > > -----Original Message----- > >> > > From: Mikhail Zaydman [mailto:mikhail_zaydman at yahoo.com] > >> > > Sent: Saturday, 31 May 2003 3:43 > >> > > To: naktalk at naks.com > >> > > Subject: [naktalk] Need Nakamichi ZX-9 manual! > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Hello, > >> > > > >> > > I am new to this forum. > >> > > The Nakamichi ZX-9 arrived yesterday. Plays great what > >> > > was recorded using DR-10! > >> > > I'll really appreciate if somebody email me ZX-9 > >> > > manual to verify recording. > >> > > > >> > > Thanks, > >> > > Mikhail > >> > > > >> > > __________________________________ > >> > > Do you Yahoo!? > >> > > Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to > >> >Outlook(TM). > >> > > http://calendar.yahoo.com > >> > > > >> > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ = > > = > >> > > ======= > >> > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> > > To maintain your account please go here: > >> > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > > > >> > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ = > > = > >> > > ======= > >> > > > >> > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ = > > = > >> >======= > >> > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> > > To maintain your account please go here: > >> >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > > > >> > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ = > > = > >> >======= > >> > > > >> > > >> > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ = > > ======== > >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> >To maintain your account please go here: > >> >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ = > > ======== > >> > >> ___________________________________________________ > >> Get email that means BUSINESS! me @ mycompany.com. > >> Just Rs.1499/year. > >> To start, click http://www.rediffmailpro.com > >> > >> > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > >> > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu Jun 5 10:00:19 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 10:00:19 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] Manual 700 ZXE In-Reply-To: <001701c32b38$0a51c5c0$2200000a@wdrewes> References: <20030604152439.14717.qmail@webmail27.rediffmail.com><01a401c32b2c$5 5a778a0$41ea64c8@msx><9326.212.78.179.234.1054796312.squirrel@webmail .xs4all.nl> <001701c32b38$0a51c5c0$2200000a@wdrewes> Message-ID: <4861.212.78.179.234.1054800019.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Great news Walter, you'll hear from me offline! Wouter > Wouter, I have the above on cd.Please give me postal address,so I can post > to you from South Africa. The manual is very thick and I dont have the > time > to make sure it goes through our hickeldy-pickeldy service provider (Which > has cost me many a NAK deal on eBay in the last 2 Months! ) > Maybe you could please,after receipt, download it on the site ,for me > please? > As I cant get on to the site ,I dont know what you have on it.I have a > host > of service manuals (and owner manuals)for various NAK cassettes and other > items ranging from tuner,T100 audio analyzer ,PA7 ,CA7to service manual > for > the Black box series.Maybe you can contact me offline to make > arrangements. > As you know it takes a v.v. long time to scan any manual properly,and I > cant > afford (timewise )to respond to individual requests (however much I feel I > am oblidged to !)Although it will take some time to scan those you need,at > least the even longer time to transmit to you without breaks will be > eliminated if I send by CD. > Hope to hear from you! > Walter Drewes > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wouter Heijke" > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 8:58 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Need Nakamichi ZX-9 manual! > > >> Well as we talk about manuals.... I need the owners and service manuals >> voor 700ZXE >> >> PDF will do just fine for me too :-) >> >> Gracias, >> >> Wouter >> >> > Well, as you just talk about manuals, I need the service manuals for >> > CR5/7, >> > 700 II and 480. In same conditions as below, if you could send to me, > only >> > if its not larger than 5mb ;-) >> > >> > I think in PDF format is the better. >> > >> > Thanks for all >> > Daniel >> > >> >> Hi ! >> >> >> >> Im also on the lookout for a CR-7 Manual ! >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> Anand >> >> >> >> On Wed, 04 Jun 2003 LEW Kempkes wrote : >> >> >Hi Thomas, >> >> > >> >> >It seems that you have a lot of Nakamichi stuff at home. Do you >> >> >have any >> >> >info about the CR-7E. The brochure perhaps. If so, could you mail >> >> >it to me? >> >> >But only if it's not larger than 5 mb. (My boss still remembers >> >> >the last >> >> >time, the High Com brochure) >> >> >kempkes at westerveldvossers.nl >> >> > >> >> >Thanks >> >> >Laurens >> >> > >> >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >> > From: Thomas Siomopoulos >> >> >To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' >> >> >Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 12:56 AM >> >> >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Need Nakamichi ZX-9 manual! >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > Hi Mikhail, I'm sending you a copy to your account right >> >> >now! >> >> > > >> >> > > Regards Tom. >> >> > > >> >> > > -----Original Message----- >> >> > > From: Mikhail Zaydman [mailto:mikhail_zaydman at yahoo.com] >> >> > > Sent: Saturday, 31 May 2003 3:43 >> >> > > To: naktalk at naks.com >> >> > > Subject: [naktalk] Need Nakamichi ZX-9 manual! >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > Hello, >> >> > > >> >> > > I am new to this forum. >> >> > > The Nakamichi ZX-9 arrived yesterday. Plays great what >> >> > > was recorded using DR-10! >> >> > > I'll really appreciate if somebody email me ZX-9 >> >> > > manual to verify recording. >> >> > > >> >> > > Thanks, >> >> > > Mikhail >> >> > > >> >> > > __________________________________ >> >> > > Do you Yahoo!? >> >> > > Yahoo! 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In-Reply-To: <01a401c32b2c$55a778a0$41ea64c8@msx> Message-ID: <000c01c32b3c$95595e40$8b8e4c51@oemcomputer> Guys Matt kindly send me a copy of the CR7 manual (thanks again, Matt!) but it was so slow to download as an e-mail that my PC kept getting disconnected from my ISP. So - here's the tip! - what I did was accessed my e-mail via www.mail2web.com and downloaded his pdf file directly from that site, which worked fine and seemed to work faster than an email attachment as well. Graham > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Daniel Ravazzi > Sent: 05 June 2003 07:33 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Need Nakamichi ZX-9 manual! > > > Well, as you just talk about manuals, I need the service manuals > for CR5/7, > 700 II and 480. In same conditions as below, if you could send to me, only > if its not larger than 5mb ;-) > > I think in PDF format is the better. > > Thanks for all > Daniel > > > Hi ! > > > > Im also on the lookout for a CR-7 Manual ! > > > > Thanks > > Anand > > > > --- > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.486 / Virus Database: 284 - Release Date: 29/05/03 From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Thu Jun 5 10:48:08 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 10:48:08 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] What is the current status of the ftp site? Message-ID: Hi All, I saw your post this morning Walter and I have to say, that after all the ebb and flow of mail on the security/sanctity of the above site four or six weeks ago, and pardon me for appearing a little b. minded on it, I have nearly forgotten that such a resource exists. It's basically not there. I was keen to read performance reviews, for my own selfish reasons!! I have some owner's manuals for my units which I could offer but have no idea if they are needed or not. What are the mechanics of getting access to it. We had talked about "buying" manuals on e-bay...... Perhaps I missed the final decision. Cheers, Marc The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu Jun 5 12:00:13 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 12:00:13 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] What is the current status of the ftp site? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <24216.212.78.179.234.1054807213.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Hi Marc, I'm working on a new way to access the files based on per-user authorization and rights to certain parts of the (download) site. This all takes time and i don't have so much of it right now. When new manuals become available i'll post them on the webserver so all can access them, the 550 manuals are in the pipeline.... Right now for contribution the best way is to email any material to me (if possible) or contact me so we can find another way. Thanks, Wouter > Hi All, > > I saw your post this morning Walter and I have to say, that after all the > ebb and flow of mail on the security/sanctity of the above site four or > six weeks ago, and pardon me for appearing a little b. minded on it, I > have nearly forgotten that such a resource exists. It's basically not > there. I was keen to read performance reviews, for my own selfish > reasons!! > > I have some owner's manuals for my units which I could offer but have no > idea if they are needed or not. What are the mechanics of getting access > to it. We had talked about "buying" manuals on e-bay...... Perhaps I > missed the final decision. > > Cheers, > > Marc > > The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject > to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or > more > attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use > of the > named recipient/s. > > If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, > disclose > or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in > reliance on it. > If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by > replying to > this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your > computer. > > All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are > present > in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or > damage arising > from the use of this email or attachments. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Thu Jun 5 12:34:26 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 12:34:26 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] What is the current status of the ftp site? Message-ID: Fantastic Wouter, Thanks a lot. I'll scan mine and work out the best way of getting them to you. If, volume wise it's too much to e-mail, I'll CD-Rom it and sent it over to you in Holland. Cheers, Marc The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From britri at pacbell.net Thu Jun 5 05:28:32 2003 From: britri at pacbell.net (Brian Stocker) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 20:28:32 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 350 References: <20030604113652.62710300045C@mwinf0201.wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: <3EDEB8DF.34F9C1A1@pacbell.net> Hi Nakers, there has been much discussion about the Nak 550 lately. I own an ads 2002/nak 350 system in anvil case. Does anybody know about the quality of the 350 as a recorder or have a manual for it? I have only used it for playback, so far. This was extreme audio when it came out. I don't think anything has surpassed in the portable category. If you have not heard this gem and see one, grab it! Thanks, Brian Stocker "Adrien F." wrote: > Hello, > I look for a strap (carruying belt) and a carrying case for a Nakamichi 550. > You can contact at ad.i at wanadoo.fr > > Adrien FAUTRAT > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Thu Jun 5 05:36:32 2003 From: britri at pacbell.net (Brian Stocker) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 20:36:32 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Getting a message to Stephen Sank References: <006501c32a15$22617d00$39426ad8@computer> Message-ID: <3EDEBABF.305AAE92@pacbell.net> I don't think you even have to have a Nak to enjoy naktalk postings. Do you? This is Stephen's email: bk11 at thuntek.net Good luck, Brian Stocker Julie Babin wrote: > Hello Naks, I own a RX 505 and a PA-1 for home,a TD1200 II, a DAC101, > a Nak Preamp for my car. Do I qualify to be a Naktalk member ? Anyway > I was wanting to get some DIY interconnect information from Stephen > Sank. If possible PLEASE respond. Steve (455gearhead) > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Do I qualify to be a Naktalk member ? Anyway I was wanting to get some DIY interconnect information from Stephen Sank. If possible PLEASE respond. Steve (455gearhead) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hifiman at dsl.pipex.com Thu Jun 5 22:19:46 2003 From: hifiman at dsl.pipex.com (Hifiman) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 21:19:46 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Need Nakamichi ZX-9 manual! In-Reply-To: <003c01c32a0e$3a4f7360$1905c5d5@lk> Message-ID: Hi Hopefully u should now have got the reviews. I have manual & Service manual but not brochure. Cheers, Neale -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of LEW Kempkes Sent: 03 June 2003 21:23 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Need Nakamichi ZX-9 manual! Hi Thomas, It seems that you have a lot of Nakamichi stuff at home. Do you have any info about the CR-7E. The brochure perhaps. If so, could you mail it to me? But only if it's not larger than 5 mb. (My boss still remembers the last time, the High Com brochure) kempkes at westerveldvossers.nl Thanks Laurens ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 12:56 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Need Nakamichi ZX-9 manual! > Hi Mikhail, I'm sending you a copy to your account right now! > > Regards Tom. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mikhail Zaydman [mailto:mikhail_zaydman at yahoo.com] > Sent: Saturday, 31 May 2003 3:43 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Need Nakamichi ZX-9 manual! > > > Hello, > > I am new to this forum. > The Nakamichi ZX-9 arrived yesterday. Plays great what > was recorded using DR-10! > I'll really appreciate if somebody email me ZX-9 > manual to verify recording. > > Thanks, > Mikhail > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). > http://calendar.yahoo.com > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From hifiman at dsl.pipex.com Thu Jun 5 22:25:14 2003 From: hifiman at dsl.pipex.com (Hifiman) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 21:25:14 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Need Nakamichi ZX-9 manual! In-Reply-To: <01a401c32b2c$55a778a0$41ea64c8@msx> Message-ID: Hi all Service manual for CR7 stretches to 40 pages. This also has very detailed diagrams etc which would not compress well. I dont have facility to create PDF files & scan would prob be about 30meg in .jpg.....!!!! Would have to be pretty good resolution to be worthwhile.... Neale -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Daniel Ravazzi Sent: 05 June 2003 07:33 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Need Nakamichi ZX-9 manual! Well, as you just talk about manuals, I need the service manuals for CR5/7, 700 II and 480. In same conditions as below, if you could send to me, only if its not larger than 5mb ;-) I think in PDF format is the better. Thanks for all Daniel > Hi ! > > Im also on the lookout for a CR-7 Manual ! > > Thanks > Anand > > On Wed, 04 Jun 2003 LEW Kempkes wrote : > >Hi Thomas, > > > >It seems that you have a lot of Nakamichi stuff at home. Do you > >have any > >info about the CR-7E. The brochure perhaps. If so, could you mail > >it to me? > >But only if it's not larger than 5 mb. (My boss still remembers > >the last > >time, the High Com brochure) > >kempkes at westerveldvossers.nl > > > >Thanks > >Laurens > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > From: Thomas Siomopoulos > >To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > >Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 12:56 AM > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Need Nakamichi ZX-9 manual! > > > > > > > Hi Mikhail, I'm sending you a copy to your account right > >now! > > > > > > Regards Tom. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Mikhail Zaydman [mailto:mikhail_zaydman at yahoo.com] > > > Sent: Saturday, 31 May 2003 3:43 > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: [naktalk] Need Nakamichi ZX-9 manual! > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > I am new to this forum. > > > The Nakamichi ZX-9 arrived yesterday. Plays great what > > > was recorded using DR-10! > > > I'll really appreciate if somebody email me ZX-9 > > > manual to verify recording. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Mikhail > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to > >Outlook(TM). > > > http://calendar.yahoo.com > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = > > > ======= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > To maintain your account please go here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = > > > ======= > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = > >======= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > To maintain your account please go here: > >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = > >======= > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >To maintain your account please go here: > >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > ___________________________________________________ > Get email that means BUSINESS! me @ mycompany.com. > Just Rs.1499/year. > To start, click http://www.rediffmailpro.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Jun 6 17:29:46 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 17:29:46 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] E-Bay Cassette Decks for sales tops 1000 Message-ID: For the first time that I have noticed, the number of cassette deck auctions on the US e-bay has exceeded 1000 - currently 1009. Of course some of the auctions are for spares and manuals - noneheless, the sheer abundance should help to push prices down for us... Have a good week end. Marc The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From croquetgod at yahoo.com Fri Jun 6 18:01:32 2003 From: croquetgod at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jens-M.=20Arndt?=) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 18:01:32 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] E-Bay Cassette Decks for sales tops 1000 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030606160132.45354.qmail@web13505.mail.yahoo.com> hi mark, the average number of nak-sales (tapedecks and accessories only) on ebay is slightly below 5 per day with an average price of abt 225 usd per item. I will send an update to wouter for the prices section on www.naks.com. jens --- Mark Hugo schrieb: > For the first time that I have noticed, the number > of cassette deck > auctions on the US e-bay has exceeded 1000 - > currently 1009. > > Of course some of the auctions are for spares and > manuals - noneheless, > the sheer abundance should help to push prices down > for us... > > Have a good week end. > > Marc > > The information contained in this email is > confidential and may be subject > to legal privilege. 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Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Logos und Klingeltöne fürs Handy bei http://sms.yahoo.de From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Jun 6 19:38:43 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 23:08:43 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] E-Bay Cassette Decks for sales tops 1000 Message-ID: <20030606173843.C075911494B@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From Nevillemusic at aol.com Fri Jun 6 22:11:43 2003 From: Nevillemusic at aol.com (Nevillemusic at aol.com) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 16:11:43 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 Deck Message-ID: <409401F7.57BA9D4C.2E9BDA04@aol.com> Hi all, I need a cassette deck to listen to older recordings and was wondering if anyone can tell me about the LX-5 deck. Years ago I had a 480, but now I want another deck and this one seems very nice. Please, if anyone can just tell me the plusses or minuses with this deck I will greatly appreciate it. THANK YOU, Mike From croquetgod at yahoo.com Fri Jun 6 22:18:28 2003 From: croquetgod at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jens-M.=20Arndt?=) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 22:18:28 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] E-Bay Cassette Decks for sales tops 1000 In-Reply-To: <20030606173843.C075911494B@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <20030606201828.14653.qmail@web13508.mail.yahoo.com> --- kannan_s at vsnl.com schrieb: > Jens price do not reflect the condition of the Deck. No Kannan, I am only considering decks in working condition and good (or better) optical condition (apart from scratches on top of the deck) in order to give potential buyers a "rough" idea about the 2nd hand price level for any given nak deck. > I find the prices of very good cosmetics and problem > free decks are definitely in the highest end while > totally broken down CR7 only useful for parts goes > for about 300$ which does not reflect the used price > definition. ??? I have not seen any CR7 in working condition on ebay for less than 400 usd. If you would have a look at http://www.naks.com/pricesdyn.html you will find following figures for cr7 (condition as described above): CR7E 13 sales (ebay february-early may) average 561.35 usd median 640.09 usd low 434.42 usd high 1,150.00 usd ofcourse we can assume - or at least hope for the buyer - that the 1150 unit was in "mint" condition... jens ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Logos und Klingeltöne fürs Handy bei http://sms.yahoo.de From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri Jun 6 22:32:38 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 22:32:38 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] E-Bay Cassette Decks for sales tops 1000 References: <20030606201828.14653.qmail@web13508.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3EE0FA65.8C6EECFB@xs4all.nl> An then.... the condition doesn't always says that the sellers definition of 'mint' is the same as yours, just my experience. Most decks perform well on playback, almost never a problem, but when recording, or better calibrating, problems can appear, also just my experience. So... the price should just be an indication so one knows if the price a seller asks (or you have to ask as a seller) is reasonable. That's why a more complex pricing system could be in place that takes count of the number of units sold at the different price ranges.. (maybe a trigger for Jens to change his exel file :-p ) ... and certainly something i plan to add in the future.. Wouter (working on the new web site as we speak) "Jens-M. Arndt" wrote: > --- kannan_s at vsnl.com schrieb: > > Jens price do not reflect the condition of the Deck. > > No Kannan, > > I am only considering decks in working condition and > good (or better) optical condition (apart from > scratches on top of the deck) in order to give > potential buyers a "rough" idea about the 2nd hand > price level for any given nak deck. > > > I find the prices of very good cosmetics and problem > > free decks are definitely in the highest end while > > totally broken down CR7 only useful for parts goes > > for about 300$ which does not reflect the used price > > definition. > > ??? > I have not seen any CR7 in working condition on ebay > for less than 400 usd. If you would have a look at > http://www.naks.com/pricesdyn.html > you will find following figures for cr7 (condition as > described above): > > CR7E > 13 sales (ebay february-early may) > average 561.35 usd > median 640.09 usd > low 434.42 usd > high 1,150.00 usd > > ofcourse we can assume - or at least hope for the > buyer - that the 1150 unit was in "mint" condition... > > jens > > ===== > 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) > > __________________________________________________________________ > > Gesendet von Yahoo! 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Name: not available URL: From kemppie at studenten.net Fri Jun 6 23:21:14 2003 From: kemppie at studenten.net (LEW Kempkes) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 23:21:14 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Message-ID: <004101c32c71$8fd78a60$c805c5d5@lk> Hello, Does anyone has a review of the ZX-9 Laurens -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From m.raven at chello.nl Fri Jun 6 23:32:49 2003 From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 23:32:49 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 Deck References: <20030606211051.A05EC114916@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <023001c32c73$2e4e4b10$9e3cbbd4@raveneql1a1eu0> > Hi all, > I need a cassette deck to listen to older recordings and was wondering if anyone can tell me about the LX-5 deck. Years ago I had a 480, but now I want another deck and this one seems very nice. Please, if anyone can just tell me the plusses or minuses with this deck I will greatly appreciate it. I own a LX-5 and it's a fine deck, compare to a 2 head 480 it's a lot better. Maurits From ezio.lucenti2 at virgilio.it Fri Jun 6 23:47:28 2003 From: ezio.lucenti2 at virgilio.it (Ezio) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 23:47:28 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 Deck = a jeep wrangler In-Reply-To: <20030606211051.A05EC114916@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030606233757.027b5b50@in.virgilio.it> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Nevillemusic at aol.com Sat Jun 7 06:04:11 2003 From: Nevillemusic at aol.com (Nevillemusic at aol.com) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 00:04:11 EDT Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 Deck Message-ID: <1cf.b4d1667.2c12be3b@aol.com> Kannan, Thank you very much....I must admit that "cosmetics" also played a significent part here. I know that Nakamichi is legendary so why not have great looks too! I have a fabulous B &O turntable...so, why not have a piece of art as well as a fine component. I will SERIOUSLY consider the other features you mentioned, however. I like things "automatic" so if you could suggest a deck or two I would really be greatful. I can live without the LX-5 in order to have some more useful features. As you can clearly see...I am a novice to this fine name, but have always bought the best that I could afford...The Dragon is too much for what I need , I'm sure. I just want a fine reliable deck. Kannan, thank you again very much, Mike From Nevillemusic at aol.com Sat Jun 7 06:09:26 2003 From: Nevillemusic at aol.com (Nevillemusic at aol.com) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 00:09:26 EDT Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 Deck = a jeep wrangler Message-ID: <196.1b6b3f6d.2c12bf76@aol.com> Hello Ezio, Thank you so much for your email. Yes, I do like the "looks" of the LX-5. I have a fabulous B & O turntable and it's llike a piece of art as well as a fine component. I wish that there was a way to compare all of the decks....It's like a jungle of decks to choose from! Best regards, Mike From Jo2jo64 at aol.com Sat Jun 7 08:01:59 2003 From: Jo2jo64 at aol.com (Jo2jo64 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 02:01:59 EDT Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nak TA - 4A Receiver. Message-ID: I wonder if any of the brothers out there has a TA-4A receiver for sale? Drop me a line. Thanks, Jose in Pennsylvania, USA. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Sat Jun 7 08:51:01 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 08:51:01 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nak TA - 4A Receiver. Message-ID: Howzit Jose Pardon the SA terminology!!! Jose, there are two TA-4 for sale on e-bay (the US one) at the moment and they are worth looking at. Naturally, they are not cheap as the owners know the value of the units, but with the "Stasis" power supply, are very pure and powerful sounding. Good luck!! Marc The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From Jo2jo64 at aol.com Sat Jun 7 09:03:24 2003 From: Jo2jo64 at aol.com (Jo2jo64 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 03:03:24 EDT Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nak TA - 4A Receiver. Message-ID: <93.2edfdbdc.2c12e83c@aol.com> Thanks Marc; I know! I am still looking around. 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In place of it I have received my NR-200 which has finally arrived (10 weeks to come surface mail from US -can only assume it went via Australia.....!!!). i fact it's taken so long I had initiated insurance claim... ....yes I know how good the High Com is (WAS!!) but I have a requirement for compatability hence the NR-200. Now i'm sure setup will be pretty much as per High Com but for completeness does anyone have a copy of the NR-200 manual that they can email? Have broadband so scanned size not a problem.... Thanks, Neale n.b. have scanned copy of High Com manual if reqd.... & now have scans of CR7 / DRAGON reviews for anyone who requsted one that I haven't yet posted to.... From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jun 7 18:37:34 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 17:37:34 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Manuals -NR-200 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000601c32d13$190b37e0$936f893e@oemcomputer> Neale, I'd love a copy of the CR7 review, please. Cheers Gra' PS If it went via Australia it would have arrived much faster! ;o) The good ol' Aussie mail seems as fast as it is much cheaper than parcels from the USA. Dunno why ... I thought the US and UK were supposed to have a "special relationship"! <> > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Neale Thomas > Sent: 06 June 2003 17:18 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Manuals -NR-200 > > > Hi all > > My old High Com has now gone to another Naktalk subscriber..... > > In place of it I have received my NR-200 which has finally > arrived (10 weeks > to come surface mail from US -can only assume it went via > Australia.....!!!). i fact it's taken so long I had initiated insurance > claim... > > ....yes I know how good the High Com is (WAS!!) but I have a > requirement for > compatability hence the NR-200. Now i'm sure setup will be pretty much as > per High Com but for completeness does anyone have a copy of the NR-200 > manual that they can email? Have broadband so scanned size not a > problem.... > > > Thanks, Neale > > > n.b. have scanned copy of High Com manual if reqd.... & now have scans of > CR7 / DRAGON reviews for anyone who requsted one that I haven't yet posted > to.... > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.486 / Virus Database: 284 - Release Date: 29/05/03 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.486 / Virus Database: 284 - Release Date: 29/05/03 From fidelman at telcel.net.ve Sat Jun 7 20:20:57 2003 From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 14:20:57 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Manuals -NR-200 References: <000601c32d13$190b37e0$936f893e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <008b01c32d21$9078c370$1b6623c8@g8nsv> Hi Neale!!!! I have a copy on paper...not inmy computer so if you like that one I can send it to you by mail.... Just let me know... I also want to know if you can send me those reviews on the DRAGON and the CR-7. Regards Isy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: ; "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 12:37 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Manuals -NR-200 > Neale, I'd love a copy of the CR7 review, please. > > Cheers > > Gra' > PS > If it went via Australia it would have arrived much faster! ;o) The good > ol' Aussie mail seems as fast as it is much cheaper than parcels from the > USA. Dunno why ... I thought the US and UK were supposed to have a "special > relationship"! <> > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Neale Thomas > > Sent: 06 June 2003 17:18 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] Manuals -NR-200 > > > > > > Hi all > > > > My old High Com has now gone to another Naktalk subscriber..... > > > > In place of it I have received my NR-200 which has finally > > arrived (10 weeks > > to come surface mail from US -can only assume it went via > > Australia.....!!!). i fact it's taken so long I had initiated insurance > > claim... > > > > ....yes I know how good the High Com is (WAS!!) but I have a > > requirement for > > compatability hence the NR-200. Now i'm sure setup will be pretty much as > > per High Com but for completeness does anyone have a copy of the NR-200 > > manual that they can email? Have broadband so scanned size not a > > problem.... > > > > > > Thanks, Neale > > > > > > n.b. have scanned copy of High Com manual if reqd.... & now have scans of > > CR7 / DRAGON reviews for anyone who requsted one that I haven't yet posted > > to.... > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------========= > > > > --- > > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.486 / Virus Database: 284 - Release Date: 29/05/03 > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.486 / Virus Database: 284 - Release Date: 29/05/03 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > From wdrewes at iafrica.com Sat Jun 7 22:19:23 2003 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wdrewes) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 22:19:23 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak post times from USA Message-ID: <000401c32d32$99304cc0$e7251ec4@private> If it is any consolation to you ;The last 4 Nakamichis from USA to South Africa (all sent at different times and from different cities) took without exception 3 months just about to the day! A similar despatch from Europe takes2 to 3 weeks max! Walter Drewes -----Original Message----- From: Graham Nelson To: ntom at dsl.pipex.com ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Date: Saturday, June 07, 2003 6:42 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Manuals -NR-200 >Neale, I'd love a copy of the CR7 review, please. > >Cheers > >Gra' >PS >If it went via Australia it would have arrived much faster! ;o) The good >ol' Aussie mail seems as fast as it is much cheaper than parcels from the >USA. Dunno why ... I thought the US and UK were supposed to have a "special >relationship"! <> > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >> Behalf Of Neale Thomas >> Sent: 06 June 2003 17:18 >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: [naktalk] Manuals -NR-200 >> >> >> Hi all >> >> My old High Com has now gone to another Naktalk subscriber..... >> >> In place of it I have received my NR-200 which has finally >> arrived (10 weeks >> to come surface mail from US -can only assume it went via >> Australia.....!!!). i fact it's taken so long I had initiated insurance >> claim... >> >> ....yes I know how good the High Com is (WAS!!) but I have a >> requirement for >> compatability hence the NR-200. Now i'm sure setup will be pretty much as >> per High Com but for completeness does anyone have a copy of the NR-200 >> manual that they can email? Have broadband so scanned size not a >> problem.... >> >> >> Thanks, Neale >> >> >> n.b. have scanned copy of High Com manual if reqd.... & now have scans of >> CR7 / DRAGON reviews for anyone who requsted one that I haven't yet posted >> to.... >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------- >> --------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> To maintain your account please go here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------- >> --------========= >> >> --- >> Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >> Version: 6.0.486 / Virus Database: 284 - Release Date: 29/05/03 >> >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.486 / Virus Database: 284 - Release Date: 29/05/03 > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Jun 8 00:27:03 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 23:27:03 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Have an on-topic laugh at me ... and an off topic post script cry for me ... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c32d43$ec5ecb40$fa77893e@oemcomputer> Guys Have a laugh at me with this silly tale ... I'm the guy who bought Neale's High Comm II (and very nice it is, too.) Fitting this unit in require much fiddling about, not least re-arranging some of the gear. The equipment is difficult to work with as the female RCAs are not easy to see, tucked at the back of the gear, which is not easy to turn around. However, I finally registered signals coming and going in all the right places, the final test being playing back a test recording made on the ZX9. Happy all was okay, I pushed everything back in place. I then pressed Rewind on the cassette so I might record a test using the HighComm II ... NOTHING! It was all lit up but nothing moved. PLAY pressed. Nothing! Stayed still. I opened the door and felt inside - capstans were spinning - popped the cassette back and it did the usual auto-positioning. I pressed Rewind again. STILL NOTHING. By this time I was getting worried. And you know how that blanks the mind of doing sensible things ... yes, I tried the PC trick, which was to switch off of the machine and switch it back on again. STILL IT WOULDN'T REWIND, FAST FORWARD or PLAY. Argh! It's broken, I thought. Then another thought occurred to me, like they do sometimes, as if some disembodied person, angel or God was whispering in the ear. "Where's the remote?" The remote? (The RM200) Why, it's .... it's got to be around here somewhere ... it's .... ah! It was jammed tight up against the back of the hi fi stand between that and the ZX9 ... buttons depressed! Remote rescued and the ZX9 started to work again, thank you very much! Gra' PS Off-topic, any of our Russian Nak brothers out there working with "Immigration" or passport authorities in Moscow who might be able to help me? My 4 year old boys are stuck in Moscow because the paperwork is wrong for their British passports (no exit Visa!) which it is because the passport officials refused to put the lads on my wife's new Russian passport (that was used to gain them entry into Russia) when the old one, with the boys on it, expired last February. (Complete madness - the officials at the airport were saying the boys aren't Russian because they aren't on the wife's passport, which they were but aren't any more because some other official wouldn't allow them to be pout on the new one, but the airport officials are agreeing they are British because they do have those passports, but won't let them out because there is no Exit Visa! Umm ... Still trying to work out the logic of that... Are these people born bloody-minded that or do they take lessons?) From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Sun Jun 8 07:01:04 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 15:01:04 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Begging HELP from the GURUs Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0220208A@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Ezio it's quite easy to align a 2 head deck, if you align the head during playback then the record section will be ok too (they are both the same head). As for the other problem with that 1 channel being 20 db greater that the next, I would record some music or a test signal on the 550 and play it back on another deck to see if the recording is the same (1 channel stronger than the other). If the levels are the same on the playback deck then that would indicate to me that the 550 output levels need to be calibrated, if on the other hand the levels on the playback deck are different then the internal record level adjustments need to be calibrated. Good luck with the unit and let us know how it all goes. Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Ezio [mailto:ezio.lucenti2 at virgilio.it] Sent: Saturday, 7 June 2003 8:18 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Begging HELP from the GURUs Dearests, I have tried to record with my freshly bought 550 and I've found a hell of problems . The main problem for me ... is how can I aligne the heads ? ... how can I aligne the record head with play ? .. In facts I have 1 channel 20db over the other and in total saturation . What I am asking for is to have a guru taking me by hand and leading me step by step to set from scratch the heads unit of the 550 ... then I will face the other problems I have found . Thanks in advance Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site http://www.lucenti.com My pages about digital photography -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Jun 8 16:22:30 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 15:22:30 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Noise reduction and CR7 versus ZX9 In-Reply-To: <99610-22003537163125914@M2W081.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <001a01c32dc9$654e1bc0$13924c51@oemcomputer> Guys (and any Gals lurking out there!) Presently I am playing around with what was Neale's HighComm II hooked up to the ZX9 and comparing recordings made onto Emtex CE II. Previously I was comparing the ZX9 and CR7 both hooked directly to the amp' recording onto Dolby C. Bearing in mind the ZX9 is one of those TransTec super-tuned devices, some of you may not be surprised to learn that, when recording direct to the tape machines, there is very little audible difference between the two machines. If anything, the ZX9 is slightly richer in the mid-range but just as detailed at the top end and sharp in the bass. (I'd not say that makes the ZX9 more accurate, although, having said that, it is damned hard to tell the difference from the ZX9 when compared directly with the source, at least no in terms of tonal quality whereas the CR7 may be a weeny bit thinner but it doesn't miss any of the detail. (I'm betting it will be fabulous with a good metal tape in it!) Since then I set up the ZX9 with the High Comm. Recording off my Sony ST5950-SD tuner (which is, in my opinion, probably a giant killer in waiting that will give some of the best tuners being reviewed on the "Shootout" @ http://www.fmtunerinfo.com/ a run for their money) it seemed to me that the ZX9 with HighComm II seemed to reproduce the dynamic range of a live classical recording a little better that the CR7 using Dolby C, which appeared to be slightly more compressed. (Although, of course, one can't replay a live broadcast to check!) Having said that, my INITIAL impression is that the tonal quality and detail is marginally less accurate with the ZX9/HighCommII combination. To test this, I recorded off my primary CD player (pre-production Rega Jupiter 2000, a late pre-production-line ex-test model) and then played back from all three sources, switching between them - not ideal, I know, but the best I can do at the moment. My impression is that the ZX9/High Comm II combination is slightly less accurate than the CR7/Dolby C in terms of tonal reproduction, although it's difficult to tell regarding the dynamic range without measuring equipment, not least because I suspect the CD I was using may not be as exacting in these terms as was last nights BBC Radio 3 live broadcast. However, I also tried recording through the HighCommII switched to by-pass, onto the ZX9 with Dolby C. My impression was the same ... I.e. not quite as tonally accurate as with the amp direct to the ZX9 with Dolby C. Therefore, I am thinking that the sound may be partially degraded either within the HighComm itself OR during its now slightly longer journey to the cassette machine (it requires an extra set of interconnect, of course!) OR both. I need to do some more listening before I can be more certain about this. Has anyone else played those little game before me and come to similar or different conclusions? There must be some of you who have used a HighComm II (Neale, of course, and Thomas). Any thoughts anyone?? I'd particularly welcome some theoretical comments from Stephen, Ron, Carlos and Jeff G, if they have the time and inclination to do so. Cheers Graham --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.486 / Virus Database: 284 - Release Date: 29/05/03 From jhkim at pentamicro.com Mon Jun 9 03:23:55 2003 From: jhkim at pentamicro.com (=?ks_c_5601-1987?B?sejBvsf2?=) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 10:23:55 +0900 Subject: [naktalk] RX-202 User Manual Message-ID: <01d801c32e25$cb459af0$1901a8c0@jhkim> 비어 있음Hi all I bought a second-hand RX-202 deck. So I need owner manual for RX-202. Because I live in South Korea, I want to receive it on PDF format via e-mail or FTP. Can I get it? Regards. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 백지 배경.gif Type: image/gif Size: 145 bytes Desc: not available URL: From srudick at hotmail.com Mon Jun 9 06:21:33 2003 From: srudick at hotmail.com (Steve Rudick) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 04:21:33 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Begging HELP from the GURUs Message-ID: Greetings, Re: Nak 550 with alignment problem. In order to complete the physical alignment of these heads you need special TOOLS. Unless you own them and know their proper use, you will never know if the unit is fully aligned. Anyone telling you they're NOT necessary is either lying or ignorant. Test tapes are not enough! If you want this deck to be at its peak, have it serviced by someone authorized who has ALL the right equipment. Good luck, Steve Rudick Audiotech Authorized Nak Service _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Jun 9 06:56:08 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 14:56:08 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Noise reduction and CR7 versus ZX9 Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0220208B@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Gra' this may sound silly, but did you remember to turn off the dolby noise reduction on your ZX9? I found if I left the dolby circuit on my deck and use highcom II to record with, the top end was not right (a little bit dull). Regards, Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Graham Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Monday, 9 June 2003 12:23 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Noise reduction and CR7 versus ZX9 Guys (and any Gals lurking out there!) Presently I am playing around with what was Neale's HighComm II hooked up to the ZX9 and comparing recordings made onto Emtex CE II. Previously I was comparing the ZX9 and CR7 both hooked directly to the amp' recording onto Dolby C. Bearing in mind the ZX9 is one of those TransTec super-tuned devices, some of you may not be surprised to learn that, when recording direct to the tape machines, there is very little audible difference between the two machines. If anything, the ZX9 is slightly richer in the mid-range but just as detailed at the top end and sharp in the bass. (I'd not say that makes the ZX9 more accurate, although, having said that, it is damned hard to tell the difference from the ZX9 when compared directly with the source, at least no in terms of tonal quality whereas the CR7 may be a weeny bit thinner but it doesn't miss any of the detail. (I'm betting it will be fabulous with a good metal tape in it!) Since then I set up the ZX9 with the High Comm. Recording off my Sony ST5950-SD tuner (which is, in my opinion, probably a giant killer in waiting that will give some of the best tuners being reviewed on the "Shootout" @ http://www.fmtunerinfo.com/ a run for their money) it seemed to me that the ZX9 with HighComm II seemed to reproduce the dynamic range of a live classical recording a little better that the CR7 using Dolby C, which appeared to be slightly more compressed. (Although, of course, one can't replay a live broadcast to check!) Having said that, my INITIAL impression is that the tonal quality and detail is marginally less accurate with the ZX9/HighCommII combination. To test this, I recorded off my primary CD player (pre-production Rega Jupiter 2000, a late pre-production-line ex-test model) and then played back from all three sources, switching between them - not ideal, I know, but the best I can do at the moment. My impression is that the ZX9/High Comm II combination is slightly less accurate than the CR7/Dolby C in terms of tonal reproduction, although it's difficult to tell regarding the dynamic range without measuring equipment, not least because I suspect the CD I was using may not be as exacting in these terms as was last nights BBC Radio 3 live broadcast. However, I also tried recording through the HighCommII switched to by-pass, onto the ZX9 with Dolby C. My impression was the same ... I.e. not quite as tonally accurate as with the amp direct to the ZX9 with Dolby C. Therefore, I am thinking that the sound may be partially degraded either within the HighComm itself OR during its now slightly longer journey to the cassette machine (it requires an extra set of interconnect, of course!) OR both. I need to do some more listening before I can be more certain about this. Has anyone else played those little game before me and come to similar or different conclusions? There must be some of you who have used a HighComm II (Neale, of course, and Thomas). Any thoughts anyone?? I'd particularly welcome some theoretical comments from Stephen, Ron, Carlos and Jeff G, if they have the time and inclination to do so. Cheers Graham --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.486 / Virus Database: 284 - Release Date: 29/05/03 ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Jun 9 09:16:29 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 08:16:29 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Noise reduction and CR7 versus ZX9 In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0220208B@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <001c01c32e57$0c1a79c0$e1964c51@oemcomputer> That's not silly, Tom - I noticed the manual says something about how cassettes machine's own dolby systems can affect the working of the High Comm. So, my answer is yes, I did remember. Since yesterday, I recorded from the CD player onto both the CR7 and ZX9 WITHOUT any noise reduction system in place (and direct from the pre-amp. Result: A smidgen of hiss, but not that you'd notice for the most part as I really pushed the recording levels beyond the manual's recommended, but the tonality of both machines seemed closer than ever to the original (barely discernible, if at all,) and dynamic range seemed identical, too. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos > Sent: 09 June 2003 05:56 > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Noise reduction and CR7 versus ZX9 > > > Gra' this may sound silly, but did you remember to turn off the > dolby noise > reduction on your ZX9? I found if I left the dolby circuit on my deck and > use highcom II to record with, the top end was not right (a little bit > dull). > > Regards, > > Tom. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Graham Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] > Sent: Monday, 9 June 2003 12:23 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Noise reduction and CR7 versus ZX9 > > > Guys (and any Gals lurking out there!) > > Presently I am playing around with what was Neale's HighComm II > hooked up to > the ZX9 and comparing recordings made onto Emtex CE II. > > Previously I was comparing the ZX9 and CR7 both hooked directly > to the amp' > recording onto Dolby C. Bearing in mind the ZX9 is one of those TransTec > super-tuned devices, some of you may not be surprised to learn that, when > recording direct to the tape machines, there is very little audible > difference between the two machines. If anything, the ZX9 is slightly > richer in the mid-range but just as detailed at the top end and > sharp in the > bass. (I'd not say that makes the ZX9 more accurate, although, > having said > that, it is damned hard to tell the difference from the ZX9 when compared > directly with the source, at least no in terms of tonal quality > whereas the > CR7 may be a weeny bit thinner but it doesn't miss any of the > detail. (I'm > betting it will be fabulous with a good metal tape in it!) > > Since then I set up the ZX9 with the High Comm. Recording off my Sony > ST5950-SD tuner (which is, in my opinion, probably a giant killer > in waiting > that will give some of the best tuners being reviewed on the "Shootout" @ > http://www.fmtunerinfo.com/ a run for their money) it seemed to > me that the > ZX9 with HighComm II seemed to reproduce the dynamic range of a live > classical recording a little better that the CR7 using Dolby C, which > appeared to be slightly more compressed. (Although, of course, one can't > replay a live broadcast to check!) Having said that, my INITIAL > impression > is that the tonal quality and detail is marginally less accurate with the > ZX9/HighCommII combination. > > To test this, I recorded off my primary CD player (pre-production Rega > Jupiter 2000, a late pre-production-line ex-test model) and then > played back > from all three sources, switching between them - not ideal, I > know, but the > best I can do at the moment. My impression is that the ZX9/High Comm II > combination is slightly less accurate than the CR7/Dolby C in > terms of tonal > reproduction, although it's difficult to tell regarding the dynamic range > without measuring equipment, not least because I suspect the CD I > was using > may not be as exacting in these terms as was last nights BBC Radio 3 live > broadcast. However, I also tried recording through the > HighCommII switched > to by-pass, onto the ZX9 with Dolby C. My impression was the > same ... I.e. > not quite as tonally accurate as with the amp direct to the ZX9 with Dolby > C. Therefore, I am thinking that the sound may be partially > degraded either > within the HighComm itself OR during its now slightly longer > journey to the > cassette machine (it requires an extra set of interconnect, of course!) OR > both. I need to do some more listening before I can be more certain about > this. > > Has anyone else played those little game before me and come to similar or > different conclusions? There must be some of you who have used a HighComm > II (Neale, of course, and Thomas). Any thoughts anyone?? I'd > particularly > welcome some theoretical comments from Stephen, Ron, Carlos and Jeff G, if > they have the time and inclination to do so. > > Cheers > > Graham > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.486 / Virus Database: 284 - Release Date: 29/05/03 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------== > ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------== > ======= > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.486 / Virus Database: 284 - Release Date: 29/05/03 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.486 / Virus Database: 284 - Release Date: 29/05/03 From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Jun 9 09:16:25 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 09:16:25 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak post times from USA Message-ID: Hey Walter - it's the trade winds. Crossing the Atlantic is only done quickly if you're a solo yachtsman thesedays. And from Europe, it's downhill, all the way!! Cheers, Marc The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Jun 9 09:26:18 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 09:26:18 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Noise reduction and CR7 versus ZX9 Message-ID: Goodness, I just read your reswponse to Tom. I meant to ask, you said that you would be interested in using a metal tpae - what tape WERE you using on these tests? And for the uninitiated, what vintage, origin, etc. It seems that the High-Comm II is intended to work similarly to a dbx unit (I know very little about it). Dynamic identical to source... I need to get one!! Thanks Marc The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Jun 9 09:09:40 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 09:09:40 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Noise reduction and CR7 versus ZX9 Message-ID: Hi Tom, that was a fascinating mail - please confirm a couple of things for me. 1. With the BBC 3 Live Classical Broadcast, what tuner are you using? 2. When comparing CD source and recording, do you switch between tape and source on the cassette deck? Or... 3. Listening to tape in playback mode in parallel time with the source? 3. If you listen to source and monitor switchingthrough headphones, do you listen via your amp/pre-amp or through your cassette deck's headphone socket? It's interesting that with signal running through the HighComm in by-pass mode that the sound lost tonal accuracy compared with running direct through the ZX-9/Dolby C. It may be the length of the signal run, although the ZX-9 has some long signal runs of it's own. The Dolby C should be giving you about 78dB (am I right) - how much more would the High Com II expand that by? Thanks for the great post!! P.S. Just a quick sacriligious posting here, hope no-one notices. Connection wise, is it possible to use the High Comm with your CT-S830S running in Dolby S? Cheers, Marc The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From hifiman at dsl.pipex.com Mon Jun 9 11:08:07 2003 From: hifiman at dsl.pipex.com (Hifiman) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 10:08:07 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Have an on-topic laugh at me ... and an off topic postscript cry for me ... In-Reply-To: <000001c32d43$ec5ecb40$fa77893e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: reminds me of my recent set up fun.... Just redecorated lounge & in doing so 'plumbed in' hifi. Now i'm a bit of an anorak so hifi comprises about 23 components... Work out for yourself how many leads that is. R/R, cassette, MD, video etc connect via a switchbox & all the gear is shoe-horned into 2 alcoves either side of fireplace, tailor made leads & access only from above i.e. put first component in & connect up, then next component etc. How many times did I install / unistall before it all worked according to plan? How many combinations of phono (& DIN!, & DIGITAL) connections are there between 23 components.... And now the High Com has gone -replaced with NR-200, which means taking out.....arghhh. Neale n.b. ...hav my sympathy re:passport probs in Moscow...the time i've spent queuing for visas in Ukraine, Russia, Azeri.... Just have to play the game...although 50$ often did the trick...! -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Graham Nelson Sent: 07 June 2003 23:27 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Have an on-topic laugh at me ... and an off topic postscript cry for me ... Guys Have a laugh at me with this silly tale ... I'm the guy who bought Neale's High Comm II (and very nice it is, too.) Fitting this unit in require much fiddling about, not least re-arranging some of the gear. The equipment is difficult to work with as the female RCAs are not easy to see, tucked at the back of the gear, which is not easy to turn around. However, I finally registered signals coming and going in all the right places, the final test being playing back a test recording made on the ZX9. Happy all was okay, I pushed everything back in place. I then pressed Rewind on the cassette so I might record a test using the HighComm II ... NOTHING! It was all lit up but nothing moved. PLAY pressed. Nothing! Stayed still. I opened the door and felt inside - capstans were spinning - popped the cassette back and it did the usual auto-positioning. I pressed Rewind again. STILL NOTHING. By this time I was getting worried. And you know how that blanks the mind of doing sensible things ... yes, I tried the PC trick, which was to switch off of the machine and switch it back on again. STILL IT WOULDN'T REWIND, FAST FORWARD or PLAY. Argh! It's broken, I thought. Then another thought occurred to me, like they do sometimes, as if some disembodied person, angel or God was whispering in the ear. "Where's the remote?" The remote? (The RM200) Why, it's .... it's got to be around here somewhere ... it's .... ah! It was jammed tight up against the back of the hi fi stand between that and the ZX9 ... buttons depressed! Remote rescued and the ZX9 started to work again, thank you very much! Gra' PS Off-topic, any of our Russian Nak brothers out there working with "Immigration" or passport authorities in Moscow who might be able to help me? My 4 year old boys are stuck in Moscow because the paperwork is wrong for their British passports (no exit Visa!) which it is because the passport officials refused to put the lads on my wife's new Russian passport (that was used to gain them entry into Russia) when the old one, with the boys on it, expired last February. (Complete madness - the officials at the airport were saying the boys aren't Russian because they aren't on the wife's passport, which they were but aren't any more because some other official wouldn't allow them to be pout on the new one, but the airport officials are agreeing they are British because they do have those passports, but won't let them out because there is no Exit Visa! Umm ... Still trying to work out the logic of that... Are these people born bloody-minded that or do they take lessons?) ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Jun 9 11:25:28 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 10:25:28 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Noise reduction and CR7 versus ZX9 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000101c32e69$10a505c0$c771893e@oemcomputer> Hi Marc Actually, it was me, not Tom, who wrote that e-mail. To answer your questions: 1. With the BBC 3 Live Classical Broadcast, what tuner are you using? A: A big 1970's era Sony ST5950SD. It was top of Sony's range in the UK for a while, equipped with variable and fixed outputs, Dolby (for Dolby FM transmissions), and various other functions but NOT wide and narrow band tuning. So, not really a DX-er's model. It's a bright, spacious sounding tuner that's in its element when reproducing live concerts. But the superior of my Quad FM4 (which the Brits amongst us know is highly regarded in the UK, and easily better than the old Leak TroughLine III unmodified Stereo model (which is grossly over rated, in my opinion, in it's unmodified form.) 2. When comparing CD source and recording, do you switch between tape and source on the cassette deck? Or... A: I switch between CD and tape at the amp, which requires throwing two switches - tape off and CD on , and then CD off and tape on. I can't use a tape monitor switch real time while I am recording off the CD because my minimalist Trevor Lees tube amp doesn't offer a tape loop. (In fact, while it's got tape in and tape out, Trevor actually recommends removing the tape connections, and any other sources as well, leaving on the one source that you want to hear, to maximise the quality of reproduction from the amp. I was sceptical about this but have since noticed there can be a bit of cross-over between one of the two tape circuits and the tuner's.) 3. Listening to tape in playback mode in parallel time with the source? A: Yes. I tend to give a small time gap between them so I can flip from one to the other to hear the same few bars, same phrase, of music. 4. If you listen to source and monitor switching through headphones, do you listen via your amp/pre-amp or through your cassette deck's headphone socket? A: I rarely use headphones because I can only use headphones in mono mode, because I am stone deaf in my right ear. However, my brain has learnt to hear a kind of stereo effect if I can hear both left and right channels at a distance from the speakers. So, I did this test via the speakers. (Yamaha NS1000M's driven by two bridged mono Quad 405 power amps.) However, this is NOT ideal as I cannot easily carry out the quick switching to hear each passage of music, and listen to the second or third version before forgetting the first AND sit in the "sweet spot"! That's because the amp us sited to the side of the speakers. So, what I "test" this way is not the stereo separation, just the tonal quality, apparent dynamics and overall clarity of the sound, using the original source (which may not sound at its best from that position) as the benchmark. You also mentioned: "It's interesting that with signal running through the HighComm in > by-pass mode that the sound lost tonal accuracy compared with running > direct through the ZX-9/Dolby C. It may be the length of the signal > run, although the ZX-9 has some long signal runs of it's own. The Dolby > C should be giving you about 78dB (am I right) - how much more would the > High Com II expand that by?" Indeed, my impression is that tonal accuracy was lost, but not by a lot, I should say. One might consider that a reasonable compromise if the High Com better preserves the dynamic range of a piece of music. (Try listening to Beethoven when the signal's been compressed and notice how it's just a mash of noise. Play it back uncompressed and it's a roller coaster THRILL, between tiny laps on the beach and tidal wave walls of sound!) The ZX9 manual says the S/N ratio is "Better than 72dB" (same as a CR7) but it says nothing about the compression of the signal within the Dolby circuit. Speaking yesterday to an ex-CR7 owner, he mentioned that he didn't like using Dolby C because he felt it compressed the dynamic range, and preferred to record without using C or even B, although he would sometimes use B. But never C. (I now seem to recall hearing a similar complaint about Dolb C in one or two of the hi fi mags, or am I dreaming this?) The High-Com spec' says Compression/Expansion Ratio Compression 1:2; Expansion 2:1 and S/N Improvement of 20-25 dB. The technical guys will have to tell me how that translates into the S/N expression in the ZX9 handbook. (Does "improvement of 20-25dB" mean it has a S/N ratio of between 75-80dB?) Cheers Gra' > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.486 / Virus Database: 284 - Release Date: 29/05/03 From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Jun 9 11:54:27 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 10:54:27 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Noise reduction and CR7 versus ZX9 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000301c32e6d$1d7621e0$c771893e@oemcomputer> The tape I was using was a brand new Emtec Chrome CE (new stock recently bought at an Aldi store in Liverpool for the amazing price of just £1.99 for a pack of four.) Not yet made up my mind if they compare with TDK SA in terms of recording accuracy, etc. but their cases seem slightly better built - when I set the azimuth on the ZX9 I only have to do it the once! The High-Com and DBX. Mmmm ... what concerns me is that the unit compresses the sound before re-expanding it, 1:2 and the 2:1. That's fine but how can one be sure it expands the range back in the right places? After all, it's only using two channels. (My DBX3 does 3 channels (each, I think) and I gather there is a more expensive, professional model, that expands something like 6 channels, for greater accuracy.) (Come on, you techies out there - help me out! Explain this issue to this layman, preferably in layman's language.) Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Mark Hugo > Sent: 09 June 2003 08:26 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Noise reduction and CR7 versus ZX9 > > > Goodness, > > I just read your reswponse to Tom. I meant to ask, you said that you > would be interested in using a metal tpae - what tape WERE you using on > these tests? And for the uninitiated, what vintage, origin, etc. > > It seems that the High-Comm II is intended to work similarly to a dbx > unit (I know very little about it). Dynamic identical to source... I > need to get one!! > > Thanks > > Marc > > > > The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject > to legal privilege. 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Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.486 / Virus Database: 284 - Release Date: 29/05/03 From kotb at sbcglobal.net Tue Jun 10 03:10:15 2003 From: kotb at sbcglobal.net (kotb at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 21:10:15 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 582 head question Message-ID: <000c01c32eed$0da686d0$0fd84844@ilyaglb3xyen13> Hi everyone! Looking for some info on play head price/avalability for my recently aquired 582 deck. Thanks to Tom S. I was able to troubleshoot the problem and I found open circuit on left channel of the play head. But now I have no idea if this can be fixed since I do not know if replacement heads are still available. I would love to try to get this deck up and going without spending obsene amount of money. If anyone has any info regarding my inquiry, please let me know. The deck is in outstanding cosmetic condition. Thanks, Ilya. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From m.raven at chello.nl Tue Jun 10 19:29:31 2003 From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 19:29:31 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Speed adjust BX-300 & service manual References: <52FC0EE4-95D6-11D7-A871-000393D6B61E@neo.rr.com> Message-ID: <000901c32f75$da2c6ed0$9e3cbbd4@raveneql1a1eu0> vulew at neo.rr.com wrote: > Hello. This is my first post. I'm wondering where the pot for > adjusting > the fixed tape speed is inside the BX-300? A screwhole in the motor. Maurits From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Jun 10 19:54:30 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 00:54:30 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Speed adjust BX-300 & service manual References: <52FC0EE4-95D6-11D7-A871-000393D6B61E@neo.rr.com> <000901c32f75$da2c6ed0$9e3cbbd4@raveneql1a1eu0> Message-ID: <000a01c32f79$587ad8a0$e4299bca@smarzuki> BX300 is a direct drive and there's a small pcb behind the flywheels, set the front pitch knob to center and adjust vr101 on that pcb. Good luck, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Maurits To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:29 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Speed adjust BX-300 & service manual vulew at neo.rr.com wrote: > Hello. This is my first post. I'm wondering where the pot for > adjusting > the fixed tape speed is inside the BX-300? A screwhole in the motor. Maurits From vulew at neo.rr.com Tue Jun 3 19:46:09 2003 From: vulew at neo.rr.com (vulew at neo.rr.com) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 13:46:09 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Speed adjust BX-300 & service manual In-Reply-To: <000901c32f75$da2c6ed0$9e3cbbd4@raveneql1a1eu0> Message-ID: <42220EBA-95EB-11D7-A872-000393D6B61E@neo.rr.com> > vulew at neo.rr.com wrote: >> Hello. This is my first post. I'm wondering where the pot for >> adjusting >> the fixed tape speed is inside the BX-300? > > > A screwhole in the motor. > > > Maurits Thanks for the reply. I've read elsewhere that Naks shouldn't be adjusted this way. I also don't see a screw hole in the motor. From m.raven at chello.nl Tue Jun 10 20:11:33 2003 From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 20:11:33 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Speed adjust BX-300 & service manual References: <42220EBA-95EB-11D7-A872-000393D6B61E@neo.rr.com> Message-ID: <017c01c32f7b$b9d25cc0$9e3cbbd4@raveneql1a1eu0> vulew at neo.rr.com wrote: >> vulew at neo.rr.com wrote: >>> Hello. This is my first post. I'm wondering where the pot for >>> adjusting >>> the fixed tape speed is inside the BX-300? >> >> >> A screwhole in the motor. >> >> >> Maurits > > > Thanks for the reply. I've read elsewhere that Naks shouldn't be > adjusted this way. I also don't see a screw hole in the motor. Hmm, sorry, wrong model. Maurits From vulew at neo.rr.com Wed Jun 11 09:06:51 2003 From: vulew at neo.rr.com (vulew at neo.rr.com) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 03:06:51 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Speed adjust BX-300 & service manual In-Reply-To: <000a01c32f79$587ad8a0$e4299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <46588C74-9BDB-11D7-A91C-000393D6B61E@neo.rr.com> > BX300 is a direct drive and there's a small pcb behind the flywheels, > set > the front pitch knob to center and adjust vr101 on that pcb. > > Good luck, > Salim SM VR101 didn't change the speed. It seemed to change something with the balance. The only VR101 I could find was way in the back right under the inputs/outputs on the largest board. From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Jun 11 11:05:04 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 16:05:04 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Speed adjust BX-300 & service manual Message-ID: <4be98b4bf6e8.4bf6e84be98b@indosat.net.id> Look at the back of mechanism. There's a small pcb atatched to DD motor, the trimpot may not be marked but that's the speed adjustment potentio per service manual, just like on CR direct drive models. I'll send you a link to my BX manual soon. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: vulew at neo.rr.com Date: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 2:06 pm Subject: Re: [naktalk] Speed adjust BX-300 & service manual > > BX300 is a direct drive and there's a small pcb behind the > flywheels, > > set > > the front pitch knob to center and adjust vr101 on that pcb. > > > > Good luck, > > Salim SM > > > VR101 didn't change the speed. It seemed to change something with > the > balance. The only VR101 I could find was way in the back right > under > the inputs/outputs on the largest board. > > ========----------------------------------------------------------- > -------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========--------------- > ---------------------------------------------------========= > From marcdenis at iquebec.com Wed Jun 11 14:28:52 2003 From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 08:28:52 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Begging HELP from the GURUs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20030611081849.035a2290@pop.iquebec.com> Good advice, Steve. The more I read messages here, the more I find people who seem to think you can finetune the carburetors of a Ferrari with a hammer, a set of pliers and, of course, a service manual. (This is not meant to insult anybody. Just to bring to your attention that there may be more to it than you might think and that you may cause more damage than you expect to your prize possession just by trying to tweak it.) At 04:21 2003/06/09 +0000, you wrote: >Greetings, >Re: Nak 550 with alignment problem. > >In order to complete the physical alignment of these heads you need >special TOOLS. Unless you own them and know their proper use, you will >never know if the unit is fully aligned. >Anyone telling you they're NOT necessary is either lying or ignorant. Test >tapes are not enough! >If you want this deck to be at its peak, have it serviced by someone >authorized who has ALL the right equipment. > > >Good luck, > > >Steve Rudick >Audiotech >Authorized Nak Service > >_________________________________________________________________ >MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >_____________________________________________________________________ >Envie de discuter en "live" avec vos amis ? Télécharger MSN Messenger >http://www.ifrance.com/_reloc/m la 1ère messagerie instantanée de France From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Jun 11 15:15:17 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 09:15:17 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Speed adjust BX-300 & service manual References: <52FC0EE4-95D6-11D7-A871-000393D6B61E@neo.rr.com> Message-ID: <3EE72B65.FC09A56C@rcn.com> Just in case you haven't got an answer yet: Remove the top cover. You will see a vertical PCB right behind the transport. This is the capstan motor control board. The speed adjust pot is located at the top right corner (looking from the back). The copy of the BX-300 service manual I have is in 2 pdf files, the larger of which is about 2MB. If you mail server allows this file size, let me know and I will email them to you. -- Ron vulew at neo.rr.com wrote: > > Hello. This is my first post. I'm wondering where the pot for adjusting > the fixed tape speed is inside the BX-300? And also, if anyone has the > service manual for this deck that they could e-mail me, that'd be > great. Thanks! > From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Jun 11 15:53:25 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 20:53:25 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Begging HELP from the GURUs References: <4.3.2.7.2.20030611081849.035a2290@pop.iquebec.com> Message-ID: <006f01c33020$efebca80$50299bca@smarzuki> Hi Marc, Imho it's different if 'the messages' try to persuade others into tweaking their beloved naks up to or beyond specs - with messages answering help inquiries from a recently bought nak at an earthly price. I bought an old 482 with pinch roller facing the sky and was extremely glad to find help here to put it back in the 'ballpark' alignment. Similarly also glad to find help in replacing orange caps to restore missing audio or recording capability. No insult taken, just my opinion of the naktalk community. Going back to original question, maybe Ezio can download 2-head 480 manual from Wouter and roughly follow the alignment concept from there. Not sure about 550 innards (dual capstans or not ?) but a test tape definitely would be a big help once the mechanisms i.e. capstans guides are in right place. Nak manuals always start with getting the mechanism right, then head alignments and finally electronics - jigs vtvm t100 would be great but in case of emergency a good eye with dmm / multimeter and homemade test tape can breathe new life to ailing deck. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Marc Denis To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 7:28 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Begging HELP from the GURUs Good advice, Steve. The more I read messages here, the more I find people who seem to think you can finetune the carburetors of a Ferrari with a hammer, a set of pliers and, of course, a service manual. (This is not meant to insult anybody. Just to bring to your attention that there may be more to it than you might think and that you may cause more damage than you expect to your prize possession just by trying to tweak it.) At 04:21 2003/06/09 +0000, you wrote: >Greetings, >Re: Nak 550 with alignment problem. > >In order to complete the physical alignment of these heads you need >special TOOLS. Unless you own them and know their proper use, you will >never know if the unit is fully aligned. >Anyone telling you they're NOT necessary is either lying or ignorant. Test >tapes are not enough! >If you want this deck to be at its peak, have it serviced by someone >authorized who has ALL the right equipment. > > >Good luck, > > >Steve Rudick >Audiotech >Authorized Nak Service > From wdrewes at iafrica.com Wed Jun 11 16:14:52 2003 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wme drewes) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 16:14:52 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Manual 700 ZXE References: <20030604152439.14717.qmail@webmail27.rediffmail.com> <"01a401c32b2c$5 5a778a0$41ea64c8"@msx> <9326.212.78.179.234.1054796312.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <001701c32b38$0a51c5c0$2200000a@wdrewes> <4861.212.78.179.234.1054800019.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <003a01c33023$f0cc1100$9000000a@wdrewes> Wouter ,the scanning is not complete. There are 24 manuals involved .I hope you can wait a wee bit longer. Marc Hugo from Bloemfontein was going to send me a disc (CD) with a manual or two as well.BTW the 700ZXE manual on CD mentioned below is only the Service manual I am having both manuals put on the new disks with the others.For each of the manuals I have the Machine.Other manuals for my machines are on the server already.I will be needing the 2 manuals for the 1000 ZXL though. Please alert me when one comes in to you ! Regards Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wouter Heijke" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 10:00 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manual 700 ZXE > Great news Walter, you'll hear from me offline! > Wouter > > > Wouter, I have the above on cd.Please give me postal address,so I can post > > to you from South Africa. The manual is very thick and I dont have the > > time > > to make sure it goes through our hickeldy-pickeldy service provider (Which > > has cost me many a NAK deal on eBay in the last 2 Months! ) > > Maybe you could please,after receipt, download it on the site ,for me > > please? > > As I cant get on to the site ,I dont know what you have on it.I have a > > host > > of service manuals (and owner manuals)for various NAK cassettes and other > > items ranging from tuner,T100 audio analyzer ,PA7 ,CA7to service manual > > for > > the Black box series.Maybe you can contact me offline to make > > arrangements. > > As you know it takes a v.v. long time to scan any manual properly,and I > > cant > > afford (timewise )to respond to individual requests (however much I feel I > > am oblidged to !)Although it will take some time to scan those you need,at > > least the even longer time to transmit to you without breaks will be > > eliminated if I send by CD. > > Hope to hear from you! > > Walter Drewes > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Wouter Heijke" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 8:58 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Need Nakamichi ZX-9 manual! > > > > > >> Well as we talk about manuals.... I need the owners and service manuals > >> voor 700ZXE > >> > >> PDF will do just fine for me too :-) > >> > >> Gracias, > >> > >> Wouter > >> > >> > Well, as you just talk about manuals, I need the service manuals for > >> > CR5/7, > >> > 700 II and 480. In same conditions as below, if you could send to me, > > only > >> > if its not larger than 5mb ;-) > >> > > >> > I think in PDF format is the better. > >> > > >> > Thanks for all > >> > Daniel > >> > > >> >> Hi ! > >> >> > >> >> Im also on the lookout for a CR-7 Manual ! > >> >> > >> >> Thanks > >> >> Anand > >> >> > >> >> On Wed, 04 Jun 2003 LEW Kempkes wrote : > >> >> >Hi Thomas, > >> >> > > >> >> >It seems that you have a lot of Nakamichi stuff at home. Do you > >> >> >have any > >> >> >info about the CR-7E. The brochure perhaps. If so, could you mail > >> >> >it to me? > >> >> >But only if it's not larger than 5 mb. (My boss still remembers > >> >> >the last > >> >> >time, the High Com brochure) > >> >> >kempkes at westerveldvossers.nl > >> >> > > >> >> >Thanks > >> >> >Laurens > >> >> > > >> >> >----- Original Message ----- > >> >> > From: Thomas Siomopoulos > >> >> >To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > >> >> >Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 12:56 AM > >> >> >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Need Nakamichi ZX-9 manual! > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > Hi Mikhail, I'm sending you a copy to your account right > >> >> >now! > >> >> > > > >> >> > > Regards Tom. > >> >> > > > >> >> > > -----Original Message----- > >> >> > > From: Mikhail Zaydman [mailto:mikhail_zaydman at yahoo.com] > >> >> > > Sent: Saturday, 31 May 2003 3:43 > >> >> > > To: naktalk at naks.com > >> >> > > Subject: [naktalk] Need Nakamichi ZX-9 manual! > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > Hello, > >> >> > > > >> >> > > I am new to this forum. > >> >> > > The Nakamichi ZX-9 arrived yesterday. Plays great what > >> >> > > was recorded using DR-10! > >> >> > > I'll really appreciate if somebody email me ZX-9 > >> >> > > manual to verify recording. > >> >> > > > >> >> > > Thanks, > >> >> > > Mikhail > >> >> > > > >> >> > > __________________________________ > >> >> > > Do you Yahoo!? > >> >> > > Yahoo! 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While a little knowledge is sometimes worse than no knowledge at all, do recall that many here are avid hackers and have much experience and lots of specific Nakamichi knowledge; not to mention much past success in servicing/fixing/aligning equipment as well as the 'professional experts'. All this experience has been gained by venturing into unknown territory -- trying to fix equipment without prior knowledge, but with the help of other hobbyists here that have already gone that route, been there, done that. Most people know their own limitations. I would encourage anyone that feels technically competent to (carefully) start learning -- even if on their own gear. Personally, I have BSEE and MSCS and would feel more comfortable designing the circuitry than servicing the mechanics. Still, I have yet to see a problem on a Nak that I failed to fix, even with my limited test equipment. In the past few years, I have found the advice and comments from the regulars here to be of immeasurable help (Stephen, Salim, Kannan, Jeff, Marc and many others, I thank you all). Today, I do know more than I did some years ago, when I subscribed to this email list. I suspect that others, like me, feel the same. Regards, -- Ron Marc Denis wrote: > > Good advice, Steve. The more I read messages here, the more I find people > who seem to think you can finetune the carburetors of a Ferrari with a > hammer, a set of pliers and, of course, a service manual. > > (This is not meant to insult anybody. Just to bring to your attention that > there may be more to it than you might think and that you may cause more > damage than you expect to your prize possession just by trying to tweak it.) > > At 04:21 2003/06/09 +0000, you wrote: > >Greetings, > >Re: Nak 550 with alignment problem. > > > >In order to complete the physical alignment of these heads you need > >special TOOLS. Unless you own them and know their proper use, you will > >never know if the unit is fully aligned. > >Anyone telling you they're NOT necessary is either lying or ignorant. Test > >tapes are not enough! > >If you want this deck to be at its peak, have it serviced by someone > >authorized who has ALL the right equipment. > > > > > >Good luck, > > > > > >Steve Rudick > >Audiotech > >Authorized Nak Service From eddy.pollet at pandora.be Wed Jun 11 18:06:49 2003 From: eddy.pollet at pandora.be (POLLET Eddy) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 18:06:49 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] High-Com and DBX In-Reply-To: <200306111418.h5BEHkQI002122@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: > The High-Com and DBX. Mmmm ... what concerns me is that the unit compresses > the sound before re-expanding it, 1:2 and the 2:1. That's fine but how can > one be sure it expands the range back in the right places? After all, it's > only using two channels. (My DBX3 does 3 channels (each, I think) and I > gather there is a more expensive, professional model, that expands something > like 6 channels, for greater accuracy.) > > (Come on, you techies out there - help me out! Explain this issue to this > layman, preferably in layman's language.) Hi Gra' and the rest It's rather simple ... there's no intelligence involved : a first stage compresses the signal, which reduces the difference between the peaks (both the loud and the quiet ones) . Since the loud ones are the ones that are going to determine your recording level, you'll be able to turn the recording level up . And since the quiet passages will become louder due to this ajustment of recording level, they won't be drown in tape noise but be significantly louder that the noise . At playback, the signal is expanded again, and the noise that was on the tape, will be attenuated together with the quiet passages, while the louder passages will become even louder, thereby restoring the original dynamics . The way this done,is by using the signal strength to adjust the amplification, in compression it amplifies more if the signal is low, and less at a higher level, in expansion the quieter signals will be amplified less and the louder ones more ... very straightforward . However, when one has a signal consisting of varying low frequency tones (containing much energy) like a bass drum, combined with a constant high tone containing much less energy, the volume of the high frequency tone will vary with the bass, and result in a pumping effect, unless the compression/expansion ratio is reduced . On the DB3X, they have tried to solve this problem by separating the spectrum in 3 bands, so that the bass won't influence the high tones . Hope this explains it :-) Eddy From kannan_s at vsnl.com Wed Jun 11 19:27:41 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 22:57:41 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Begging HELP from the GURUs Message-ID: <20030611172741.72E49114958@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Wed Jun 11 19:37:05 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 23:07:05 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Speed adjust BX-300 & service manual Message-ID: <20030611173705.1779D114958@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From jhkim at pentamicro.com Thu Jun 12 09:21:06 2003 From: jhkim at pentamicro.com (=?ks_c_5601-1987?B?sejBvsf2?=) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:21:06 +0900 Subject: [naktalk] Is CR-5 Good Deck? Message-ID: <00c001c330b3$33ce8e80$1901a8c0@jhkim> 비어 있음Hi all I want to buy a second hand Deck . Nakamichi CR-5 and TEAC-6030S are in the shop. So I will buy one ot them. Price of CR-5 is about $291 and TEAC is $333. I think that TEAC 6030S is very good deck with many features such as DOLBY S NR, calibration adjust and etc. But I don't know whether CR-5 is good or not. I know CR-7 is excellent deck and many people said that CR-7 is very good deck. But I can't get any information about CR-5. All information I has is its specification from naks.com So I want to know CR-5 is good deck. Is CR-5 better than TEAC-6030S? Thanks. Jonghyeon Kim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 백지 배경.gif Type: image/gif Size: 145 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Thu Jun 12 11:02:50 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:02:50 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Is CR-5 Good Deck? Message-ID: The CR-5 is a splendid deck, much like the CR-7 without auto-calibration, I think. However the TEAC V6030S is no slouch, with perhaps the best implemented Dolby S circuit around (ditto for the V8030S, same machine with direct drive though). I have a recording done by a friend on metal tape with a V8030S in Dolby S and can honestly say, it sounds better than the CD. So say I and a friend who is very familiar that particular recording. It's very clean, dynamic and with fine balance. Bear in mind that for some reason, Dolby S recordings are more widely compatible with other deck's Dolby S decoders that is the case with B and C. Good luck. If they are both in nice nick, the the CR-5 is the better bargain (it has that inimitable Nak sound and has brilliant NR systems), although I'd probably snap up both. Cheers, Marc The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Jun 12 11:28:02 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 10:28:02 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Is CR-5 Good Deck? In-Reply-To: <00c001c330b3$33ce8e80$1901a8c0@jhkim> Message-ID: <001d01c330c4$ec130aa0$299e4c51@oemcomputer> ºñ¾î ÀÖÀ½Jonghyeon Kim CR-5 is most certainly a very good deck. I've not had a chance to A-B test it against any others but I seem to recall Stephen once saying that it's ability to record and playback it's own recordings it was not far short of a CR-7. (Correct me if I'm wrong, Stephen!) As for 'is the CR-5 better than the TEAC-6030S' ... I'd think this is a difficult question to answer and those who do so will probably take a subjective view anyway. Better in what way? Engineering quality? Ability to record faithfully? Ability to replay tapes that you already own? Facilities? Reliability? Longevity/serviceability? It depends upon what you are looking for from your cassette deck. If it is to replay tapes tapes that you already have the best advice would be to take some with you to the shop and try out both machines because, regardless of all the other questions, neither will be any good if your current collection of tapes don't sound right being played back. Engineering quality? This is a subjective view and I'm no engineer .... but I'd have thought the Nak CR-5 has the edge over the TEAC. Ability to record and play back faithfully? I know people with a CR-5 who believe it works so sell they have little inclination to trade up to a CR-7, but I also know some who sing the praises of the TEAC, too, esp. it's Dolby S circuit for noise reduction (altho' you'll find many an owner of a Nak will tell you most decks only need Dolby S because they are not as good as a Nakamichi at recording high levels!) Reliability? Dunno! Longevity/serviceability? Don't know about TEACs but it seems to me that spares for Nak's are getting as rare as hen's teeth and worth their weight in gold! May be worth checking with TEAC to see if they are still making spares or what their stocks of spares are like - 1 year? 2 years? 5 years? Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of ±èÁ¾Çö Sent: 12 June 2003 08:21 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Is CR-5 Good Deck? Hi all I want to buy a second hand Deck . Nakamichi CR-5 and TEAC-6030S are in the shop. So I will buy one ot them. Price of CR-5 is about $291 and TEAC is $333. I think that TEAC 6030S is very good deck with many features such as DOLBY S NR, calibration adjust and etc. But I don't know whether CR-5 is good or not. I know CR-7 is excellent deck and many people said that CR-7 is very good deck. But I can't get any information about CR-5. All information I has is its specification from naks.com So I want to know CR-5 is good deck. Is CR-5 better than TEAC-6030S? Thanks. Jonghyeon Kim --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.486 / Virus Database: 284 - Release Date: 29/05/03 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ¹éÁö ¹è°æ.gif Type: image/gif Size: 145 bytes Desc: not available URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Jun 12 11:49:18 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 10:49:18 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] High-Com and DBX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002301c330c7$e462a100$299e4c51@oemcomputer> Thanks Eddy! I had understood the compression expansion process before but I particularly welcome your explanation of the pumping effect. (Not had it explained to me before - thanks.) This appears to confirm my suspicions - that the machine doesn't really know precisely what to expand once it's compressed! I'd guess this will likely be more pronounced with the High-Com than a DBX3, for the reason you've mentioned, although I have noticed it with a DBX3 if it's pushed too hard. (I've also heard it with Dolby HX Pro.) I believe this is not the only area where the DBX3 and High-Com differ - the High-Com is a noise reduction system whereas the DBX3 is only a range expander. Right? Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of POLLET Eddy > Sent: 11 June 2003 17:07 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] High-Com and DBX > > > > > The High-Com and DBX. Mmmm ... what concerns me is that the > unit compresses > > the sound before re-expanding it, 1:2 and the 2:1. That's fine > but how can > > one be sure it expands the range back in the right places? > After all, it's > > only using two channels. (My DBX3 does 3 channels (each, I think) and I > > gather there is a more expensive, professional model, that > expands something > > like 6 channels, for greater accuracy.) > > > > (Come on, you techies out there - help me out! Explain this > issue to this > > layman, preferably in layman's language.) > > Hi Gra' and the rest > > It's rather simple ... there's no intelligence involved : a first stage > compresses the signal, which reduces the difference between the > peaks (both > the loud and the quiet ones) . Since the loud ones are the ones that are > going to determine your recording level, you'll be able to turn the > recording level up . And since the quiet passages will become > louder due to > this ajustment of recording level, they won't be drown in tape > noise but be > significantly louder that the noise . > At playback, the signal is expanded again, and the noise that was on the > tape, will be attenuated together with the quiet passages, while > the louder > passages will become even louder, thereby restoring the original > dynamics . > The way this done,is by using the signal strength to adjust the > amplification, in compression it amplifies more if the signal is low, and > less at a higher level, in expansion the quieter signals will be amplified > less and the louder ones more ... very straightforward . > However, when one has a signal consisting of varying low frequency tones > (containing much energy) like a bass drum, combined with a constant high > tone containing much less energy, the volume of the high > frequency tone will > vary with the bass, and result in a pumping effect, unless the > compression/expansion ratio is reduced . > On the DB3X, they have tried to solve this problem by separating the > spectrum in 3 bands, so that the bass won't influence the high tones . > Hope this explains it :-) > > Eddy > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.486 / Virus Database: 284 - Release Date: 29/05/03 From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Jun 12 11:49:20 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 10:49:20 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Begging HELP from the GURUs In-Reply-To: <20030611172741.72E49114958@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <002401c330c7$e5b25280$299e4c51@oemcomputer> ....And I can vouch that for Kannan's ability to restore a Nak as the CR7 I have is from his workbench ... and it sounds superb, in some respects better than my Transtec-tweaked ZX-9, in just about all other respects, just as good. (Thanks Kannan! Wish I had your skills ... ) Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of kannan_s at vsnl.com > Sent: 11 June 2003 18:28 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Begging HELP from the GURUs > > > I can't describe it better than Ron about this fixing or > restoring Nakamichi Casette Decks. Since this forum helped me > immensely in gaining knowledge as well as timely guidance - > sometimes evn free tools - From our great Stephen Sank himself !- > I wouldn't say "do not try to open your Nak and fix it" but would > say "Hey place your problem in this forum and take guidance - you > would probably solve your problem". Still nothing like having > those expensive Nakamichi tools and tapes which make aligning the > nak' a breez! > Also beware of tricky problems - in Dragon / 700/1000 ZXL - lit > bit of luck is necessary. > Thanks guys and wouter for maintaining this wealth particularly > Nak FTP server with Service manuals. > Kannan > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.486 / Virus Database: 284 - Release Date: 29/05/03 From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Jun 12 11:12:49 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:12:49 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Is CR-5 Good Deck? Message-ID: <4cad4e4c975e.4c975e4cad4e@indosat.net.id> Hi Kim, A friendly suggestion: if you never had a Nak before, get the CR5 ! Sorry if I sound too subjective :-) If you already have another Nak deck, then I might get the teac for a dubbing deck ... although I would still get a Nak ZX7 with a little budget stretch: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3030029052&category=4784 If there's no rush, why don't you wait for a Nak deck with recording calibration like CR4/7, ZX7/9 (or maybe a Dragon =) and have best of both worlds. Be prepared for Nak maintenance though ! 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Brilliant machine, sparkling highs, and deep lows and the timbre of musical instruments sounds more accurate than my NAD 521 cd player. I have a couple of questions. 1) Is a user manual available somewhere on line in maybe a pdf form? 2) How do you use the 400 hz test tone. Thanks for making this very useflu e-mail list available. cheers --Matt Rogers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Jun 12 18:06:29 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 17:06:29 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 600 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002801c330fc$95632360$3c8e4c51@oemcomputer> Fabulous find, Matt - good for you! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Matthew Rogers Sent: 12 June 2003 16:53 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nak 600 Hi, I just found a Nak 600 at a thrift store for 12.95. Brilliant machine, sparkling highs, and deep lows and the timbre of musical instruments sounds more accurate than my NAD 521 cd player. I have a couple of questions. 1) Is a user manual available somewhere on line in maybe a pdf form? 2) How do you use the 400 hz test tone. Thanks for making this very useflu e-mail list available. cheers --Matt Rogers --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.486 / Virus Database: 284 - Release Date: 29/05/03 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmtooley at ce.net Thu Jun 12 18:34:14 2003 From: jmtooley at ce.net (jmtooley at ce.net) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 12:34:14 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 600 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1055435654.3ee8ab8635776@mail.ce.net> Didn't you offer $10 ;-) Good deal! John T. Quoting Matthew Rogers : > Hi, > > I just found a Nak 600 at a thrift store for 12.95. Brilliant machine, > sparkling highs, and deep lows and the timbre of musical instruments sounds > more accurate than my NAD 521 cd player. I have a couple of questions. 1) > Is a user manual available somewhere on line in maybe a pdf form? 2) How do > you use the 400 hz test tone. Thanks for making this very useflu e-mail list > available. > > cheers > > --Matt Rogers From eddy.pollet at pandora.be Thu Jun 12 20:15:48 2003 From: eddy.pollet at pandora.be (POLLET Eddy) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 20:15:48 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] HighCom In-Reply-To: <200306120956.h5C9uFQI005841@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: > I had understood the compression expansion process before but I particularly > welcome your explanation of the pumping effect. (Not had it explained to > me before - thanks.) This appears to confirm my suspicions - that the > machine doesn't really know precisely what to expand once it's compressed! > I'd guess this will likely be more pronounced with the High-Com than a DBX3, > for the reason you've mentioned, although I have noticed it with a DBX3 if > it's pushed too hard. (I've also heard it with Dolby HX Pro.) > > I believe this is not the only area where the DBX3 and High-Com differ - the > High-Com is a noise reduction system whereas the DBX3 is only a range > expander. Right? Well ... allmost :-) Since the HighCom expands a compressed signal, that has the inverse effect of the pumping (I don't dare to try and find a word for it ), there shouldn't be a pumping effect audible . However, the DBX3 expands a "normal" signal, and then the pumping can become audible . I have a DBX 119, that does the same as the DBX3, but only in one band, and when expanding at over 1.4 to 1, and depending on the source, the pumping sometimes shows up . The DBX3 with its 3 bands, should allow a higher expansion ratio, but to be honest, I have never had the pleasure of listening to it . I discovered the DBX while visiting the USAF-base in Wiesbaden (Germany), where they used it to demo speakers ... of course they sounded great :-) Eddy From ti at amb.org Thu Jun 12 21:20:20 2003 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 12:20:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] HighCom In-Reply-To: from "POLLET Eddy" at Jun 12, 2003 08:15:48 PM Message-ID: <200306121920.TAA05386@amb.org> POLLET Eddy writes: > Well ... allmost :-) > Since the HighCom expands a compressed signal, that has the inverse effect > of the pumping (I don't dare to try and find a word for it ), there > shouldn't be a pumping effect audible . When used as a complementary noise reduction system, HighCom or dbx shouldn't have any pumping effect to in the music signal itself (if the record encode and playback decode are matched perfectly), but the tape hiss noise floor may appear to pump because that is not part of the original signal, and is being decoded and expanded. Fortunately, for most music types the main music program material should mask that effect. In fact, that's the idea behind all such noise reduction systems (including Dolby B/C/S). -Ti Nakamichi Dragon -- /// Ti Kan Vorsprung durch Technik /// AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA /// ti at amb.org ////// http://www.amb.org/ti/ /// From mwhipple at charter.net Thu Jun 12 21:42:56 2003 From: mwhipple at charter.net (Matthew Whipple) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 15:42:56 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Year of MFG Message-ID: <00e701c3311a$d4c88e50$2adc6799@nat67369> Since the Dragon was made from 1982-1993 is there any way to tell the year of Manufacture of my particular unit? Thanks, Matt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Thu Jun 12 22:14:48 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 01:44:48 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Is CR-5 Good Deck? Message-ID: <20030612201448.33E71114915@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From enoyes at snet.net Fri Jun 13 04:37:33 2003 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 22:37:33 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 600 References: Message-ID: <3EE938ED.6090503@snet.net> I've owned a couple... aside from having to reseat the boards now and again, it really is a great old Nak with looks that I've always thought were killer. You got a great deal! Ed Matthew Rogers wrote: > Hi, > > I just found a Nak 600 at a thrift store for 12.95. Brilliant > machine, sparkling highs, and deep lows and the timbre of musical > instruments sounds more accurate than my NAD 521 cd player. I have a > couple of questions. 1) Is a user manual available somewhere on line > in maybe a pdf form? 2) How do you use the 400 hz test tone. 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URL: From vulew at neo.rr.com Fri Jun 13 20:54:04 2003 From: vulew at neo.rr.com (vulew at neo.rr.com) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 14:54:04 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Replacement idler washer for BX-300 Message-ID: <6789FE3D-9DD0-11D7-9888-000393D6B61E@neo.rr.com> Well, I got my replacement idler tire today and even after taking all precautions I could think of (lined well with cellophane, had scotch tape in front of wheel, was very careful), the white washer went flying and I can't find it (I'm still looking, though). Is there anything that would work just as well? Thanks. From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Jun 13 21:02:32 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 15:02:32 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Year of MFG References: <00e701c3311a$d4c88e50$2adc6799@nat67369> Message-ID: <3EEA1FC8.E0F5E7F9@rcn.com> > Matthew Whipple wrote: > > Since the Dragon was made from 1982-1993 is there any way to tell the year > of Manufacture of my particular unit? > > Thanks, > Matt > Take a look at the rear panel. There should be a tiny circular sticker, showing year and quarter of manufacture. -- Ron From ti at amb.org Fri Jun 13 21:23:26 2003 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 12:23:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Year of MFG In-Reply-To: <3EEA1FC8.E0F5E7F9@rcn.com> from "Ron" at Jun 13, 2003 03:02:32 PM Message-ID: <200306131923.TAA09518@amb.org> Ron writes: > > Matthew Whipple wrote: > > Since the Dragon was made from 1982-1993 is there any way to tell the year > > of Manufacture of my particular unit? > > Take a look at the rear panel. There should be a tiny circular > sticker, showing year and quarter of manufacture. Ah hah! So that's what it is. Mine says '91' in the middle with the digits '7.8.9' over the top. So that makes it the 3rd quarter of 1991. Cool. Thanks, I've been wanting to know what vintage my Dragon is, but wasn't sure what those digits on that sticker meant. -Ti Nakamichi Dragon -- /// Ti Kan Vorsprung durch Technik /// AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA /// ti at amb.org ////// http://www.amb.org/ti/ /// From alex at autoconsortium.com Fri Jun 13 21:40:29 2003 From: alex at autoconsortium.com (Alex Cagann) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 14:40:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Year of MFG In-Reply-To: <200306131923.TAA09518@amb.org> Message-ID: Damn, my Dragon is OLD. 1985 first quarter. She's an antique almost :-) Only looks a day old, though...and prettier than any of the stuff I see on the shelf nowadays! My RX505 says 1984. So, who's got the oldest Nak deck round' here? Alex Cagann http://www.autoconsortium.com > Ah hah! So that's what it is. Mine says '91' in the middle with the > digits '7.8.9' over the top. So that makes it the 3rd quarter of > 1991. Cool. Thanks, I've been wanting to know what vintage my > Dragon is, but wasn't sure what those digits on that sticker meant. > > -Ti > Nakamichi Dragon From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Jun 13 21:31:36 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 01:01:36 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Replacement idler washer for BX-300 Message-ID: <20030613193136.BB6D6114964@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From hifiman at dsl.pipex.com Sat Jun 14 02:41:50 2003 From: hifiman at dsl.pipex.com (Hifiman) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 01:41:50 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] NR-200 Message-ID: Wow is me.... unfortunately my 'new' NR-200 is not working fully. I'm not sure yet if this is a power supply problem or more serious. When switched on the indicators for dolby C and Source do not operate although dolby B & Tape do... Anyone have any ideas and / or a service manual for this device? Any suggestions much appreciated (before I dig out my tool kit....) Thanks, Neale From vulew at neo.rr.com Sat Jun 14 04:38:23 2003 From: vulew at neo.rr.com (vulew at neo.rr.com) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 22:38:23 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Replacement idler washer for BX-300 In-Reply-To: <20030613193136.BB6D6114964@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <44A22BF2-9E11-11D7-B53C-000A278AACE4@neo.rr.com> > You can Look up Dalbani or MCM catlog for packet full replacement > round plastic washers of varying sizes. > Any tiny plastic sheet with a pin hole will do as the idler base > should not run off the shaft! > Kannan Thanks for the info. But I've looked around both sites and can't seem to find anything like that. Do you happen to know the part# or what keywords I should search? I've searched for plastic washer, but turned up nothing at one site and just a couple at the other that didn't sound like what I need. From cvshanson at sprintmail.com Sat Jun 14 14:35:38 2003 From: cvshanson at sprintmail.com (Vernon T. Hanson) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 07:35:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 600 Message-ID: Matt: I have an original copy of the owners manual that I can copy and send to you. I have just got my new scanner and am planning on converting a couple of my manuals to PDF for the Nak library however that wont happen until August when my business slows down a bit. videoVern -- Vern Hanson Custom Visual Services, Inc. 12812 16th Avenue Suite 100 Burnsville, MN 55337-3745 (952) 895-0565 (Office #) (612) 819-4295 (Nat. Cell #) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Here they are: http://www.naks.com/new/550_owners.djvu http://www.naks.com/new/nak microphones.djvu And also zx-7 brochures supplied by Alan Mar: http://www.naks.com/new/zx-7reviewaudio.pdf And last but not least the 550 service manual scanned (nicely) by Kent and converted by me to pdf: http://www.naks.com/new/550_ServiceManual.pdf This one is almost 7mb big so know what you're downloading.... Enjoy and thanks to all! Wouter From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sun Jun 15 17:36:43 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 17:36:43 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] New manuals online References: <3EEC88AB.26C4C1@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <3EEC928B.7E6AD28C@xs4all.nl> Oops... Apparently Alan send me more reviews: http://www.naks.com/new/bx-300_01-04.djvu.pdf http://www.naks.com/new/cr-7reviewaudio.pdf http://www.naks.com/new/dragonreviewaudio.pdf Thanks Alan for remembering me! Wouter Wouter Heijke wrote: > I've just put 2 manuals supplied to me by Bleus himself online for > download through the website (ftp is still down for manual download!) > Here they are: > > http://www.naks.com/new/550_owners.djvu > http://www.naks.com/new/nak microphones.djvu > > And also zx-7 brochures supplied by Alan Mar: > > http://www.naks.com/new/zx-7reviewaudio.pdf > > And last but not least the 550 service manual scanned (nicely) by Kent > and converted by me to pdf: > > http://www.naks.com/new/550_ServiceManual.pdf > > This one is almost 7mb big so know what you're downloading.... > > Enjoy and thanks to all! > > Wouter > > From ezio.lucenti2 at virgilio.it Sun Jun 15 19:52:18 2003 From: ezio.lucenti2 at virgilio.it (Ezio) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 19:52:18 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] URGENT !!! Kent ! ... Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030615195029.00a96be0@in.virgilio.it> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I will make my last offer soon ... it would be better if we don't kill each other . > > Sincerely > > Ezio Lucenti > > Ezio's e-photography site http://www.lucenti.com > > My pages about digital photography > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ezio.lucenti2 at virgilio.it Sun Jun 15 20:52:20 2003 From: ezio.lucenti2 at virgilio.it (Ezio) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 20:52:20 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] URGENT !!! Kent ! ... In-Reply-To: <3EECBF53.4C3EACA6@xs4all.nl> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20030615195029.00a96be0@in.virgilio.it> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030615205200.00a8d650@in.virgilio.it> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ezio.lucenti2 at virgilio.it Sun Jun 15 21:09:07 2003 From: ezio.lucenti2 at virgilio.it (Ezio) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 21:09:07 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 550 .... on eBay ... Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030615210827.00a8c020@in.virgilio.it> WON ! .... he he he he he he ----- happy now ! Sincerely Ezio Lucenti From msyoder at border.net Mon Jun 16 05:16:30 2003 From: msyoder at border.net (Michael S. Yoder) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 22:16:30 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Somewhat off topic: Tascam 112 MkII Message-ID: <001501c333b5$af584280$a8f4c1cf@jnorris.ttu.edu> Sorry that I'm a bit off-topic here, but I need advice. The bottom line: I'm not comfortable taking my Nak DR-3 out of my living room to small auditoriums, campus, coffee houses, etc. to record the various jazz "groups" I'm involved with. I'd like to have a machine dedicated to remote, live recording of the various sessions. Does anyone have any experience or knowledge of the Tascam 112 MkII rack-mount unit? Initially it looks appealing to me not only because it appears rock solid on the outside and is rack-mountable (3 rack spaces), but it has a pitch control (potentially useful for many things), and it's part of the "professional series" of Tascam which, at least as far as its bigger sibling, the 122 MkIII, is concerned, can stand the rigors of heavy use. I cannot find a single review of the 112 MkII via Google. Does anyone know if the 112 MkII is in fact as durable as the famous 122 series or at least in the ballpark? Fidelity wise, how good is it? As far as I'm concerned, my Nak DR-3 stays hooked up to my Rega integrated amp, and my Sony KA3ES stays hooked up in my home recording studio. But what about a machine for remote recordings? The Sony and Marantz portable units really have terrible spec's (S/N ratio, freq. response, wow/flutter), so I'm thinking a full-fledged deck is the way to go. The big sibling Tascam 122 MkIII, which one technician tells me is a big step up from the 112 MkII, is a bit too expensive. Inexpensive "consumer" type units (Sony KA1ESA, the lesser-expensive Tascams: 102 MkII and 130, etc.) seem too fragile to carry around and probably have crappy internal components and transports anyway, even if they might produce good sound for the money fresh out of the box. I think it would be a mistake to acquire a great Nakamichi vintage machine, have it calibrated and fixed up, and then take it all over town. I appreciate whatever advice or comments you can provide. Thanks. Michael Yoder msyoder at border.net From ezio.lucenti2 at virgilio.it Mon Jun 16 06:01:51 2003 From: ezio.lucenti2 at virgilio.it (Ezio) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 06:01:51 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Somewhat off topic: Tascam 112 MkII In-Reply-To: <001501c333b5$af584280$a8f4c1cf@jnorris.ttu.edu> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030616055750.00a8a040@in.virgilio.it> At 22.16 15/06/03 -0500, you wrote: >Sorry that I'm a bit off-topic here, but I need advice. > >The bottom line: I'm not comfortable taking my Nak DR-3 out of my living >room to small auditoriums, campus, coffee houses, etc. to record the various >jazz "groups" I'm involved with. I'd like to have a machine dedicated to >remote, live recording of the various sessions. My son just started to play the bass in a very small group of rockers ... for the same purpose you have I have decided to go with a Nakamichi 550 a nice old guy that can make some good work (at Nakamichi level) for your purpose . On eBay I have just bought a second unit (the first is having troubles ....) for 62$ , but ordinarily it is sold at about 150$ My suggestion is ... go for a 550 ! but check as much as possible the state of health of the unit . Sincerely Ezio Lucenti From kkondyra at worldnet.att.net Sat Jun 14 17:48:51 2003 From: kkondyra at worldnet.att.net (kenneth kondyra) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 11:48:51 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] nak cr-2a Message-ID: <007f01c3328c$7733ce80$da84590c@default> Just purchased one of these for $150.00 in near mint condition and seems to sound and record very nicely. Anyone with this deck have any comments to share and is there a manual available on line for this unit. Would also like to know if this deck came with a remote Thanks in advance. Ken -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hifiman at dsl.pipex.com Mon Jun 16 00:05:07 2003 From: hifiman at dsl.pipex.com (Hifiman) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 23:05:07 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Manuals -NR-200 In-Reply-To: <008b01c32d21$9078c370$1b6623c8@g8nsv> Message-ID: Thank. Yes woul appreciate a copy of manual, I am in UK. Is this a problem...? Thanks, Neale n.b. CR7 / Dragon reviews attached. Thes are heavily compressed. If u want a better copy (larger file!) let me know. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Isy Fidelman Sent: 07 June 2003 19:21 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manuals -NR-200 Hi Neale!!!! I have a copy on paper...not inmy computer so if you like that one I can send it to you by mail.... Just let me know... I also want to know if you can send me those reviews on the DRAGON and the CR-7. Regards Isy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: ; "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 12:37 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Manuals -NR-200 > Neale, I'd love a copy of the CR7 review, please. > > Cheers > > Gra' > PS > If it went via Australia it would have arrived much faster! ;o) The good > ol' Aussie mail seems as fast as it is much cheaper than parcels from the > USA. Dunno why ... I thought the US and UK were supposed to have a "special > relationship"! <> > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Neale Thomas > > Sent: 06 June 2003 17:18 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] Manuals -NR-200 > > > > > > Hi all > > > > My old High Com has now gone to another Naktalk subscriber..... > > > > In place of it I have received my NR-200 which has finally > > arrived (10 weeks > > to come surface mail from US -can only assume it went via > > Australia.....!!!). i fact it's taken so long I had initiated insurance > > claim... > > > > ....yes I know how good the High Com is (WAS!!) but I have a > > requirement for > > compatability hence the NR-200. Now i'm sure setup will be pretty much as > > per High Com but for completeness does anyone have a copy of the NR-200 > > manual that they can email? Have broadband so scanned size not a > > problem.... > > > > > > Thanks, Neale > > > > > > n.b. have scanned copy of High Com manual if reqd.... & now have scans of > > CR7 / DRAGON reviews for anyone who requsted one that I haven't yet posted > > to.... > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------========= > > > > --- > > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.486 / Virus Database: 284 - Release Date: 29/05/03 > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.486 / Virus Database: 284 - Release Date: 29/05/03 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(I'm sure the Nak-team here will be shaking their heads at this stage, and saying, yes, but not with sound in mind!!!!). The exo-chassis is more than just "metal" - it's a heavy grade sheet steel suitable for commercial vehicles!! Of course it is designed to be moved around either within a busy studio environment or from location to location and it has the rack "ears" for this use. Mine is at home and thankfully will never be used in this way. Sound-wise, I am very fond of it. Although, it does not have the characteristic "Nakamichi" sound, that sould not derogate from it's own very appealing sonics. Because it is direct-drive it is exceptionally stable and utterly quiet running as a transport. The panel controls are built for firm and deliberate use and are laid out with "instinctive" operation in mind. I find that the TASCAM 112 is (almost) invariably great sounding with pre-recorded tapes and has very good dolby circuits. As usual, Dolby C encoded tapes sound best when played back on the TASCAM itself. The deck also is very fond of tapes recorded on Nakamichis. (I use Cassette Deck One, 682ZX and 480Z). From an tape affinity point of view (because one has to bear in mind, there are no calibration facilities provided), the deck shows a real liking for chromes with a brighter balance and metals of all types and recording done, for instance, on cassettes like Sony UX, Sony Metal ES, TDK SA-X, TDK CDing II, JVC AF-II (magnificent and very rare), SKC CD "Super-Chrome", BASF Chrome Maxima II, and Maxell MX-S are all excellent, and with Dolby C engaged, absolutely first rate. Bass is very rich and tuneful, midrange is solid and the treble extended and detailed. Decoding the Dolby C on the sort of tapes mentioned above robs little or nothing of the originals frequencies. No-Dolby recordings on type IV tape, particulary the two I mention above (having tried them) at highish levels (that equal the incoming signal) are hard to tell apart from the original. On good headphones you may hear a slight recessing of imagery and "absolute sparkle" in the highest treble elements may be attenuated. On the other hand, you might not hear that, and it is not in the slightest way noticable. I had to work through a lot of experimentation with the TASCAM 112 to discover it's likes and dislikes, tape-wise. The heads are very durable, and easy to clean (with the tape-loading door being removable to facilitate easy cleaning and demagging). It's as well to point out, that the recording process demands a scrupilously clean erase and rec/pb head, so clean them with 90%+ alcohol before recording a new tape. With an operation balance of 80% playback, 20% recording, de-magging doesn't need to be very frequent. As a rule, combined pb/rec heads don't show much difference (after de-magging) unless you practically never record with them. A nice feature with the 112 (and I suppose the 122), studio-wise is the option you have between using the front-apron inputs or the rears into your pre-amps/sound desk. The input/output level metering works on "average" levels and is very accurate, once you get used to it. One of the advantages of using a TASCAM over a portable Nak is the nuisance value of the auto-tape slack facility. I don't know if the 550 features this which can be a liability during live recording. There's no denying Ezio's advice in his post though!!! A well tuned Nakamichi has a very desirable quality about it. However, the TASCAM 112 won't let you down. My wife likes it's 'dark good looks' - like "Darth Vader".......... I hope this helps Michael!! Kind regards, Marc Hugo The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. 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From mwhipple at charter.net Mon Jun 16 14:24:02 2003 From: mwhipple at charter.net (Matthew Whipple) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 08:24:02 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Year of MFG References: <00e701c3311a$d4c88e50$2adc6799@nat67369> <3EEA1FC8.E0F5E7F9@rcn.com> Message-ID: <010801c33402$2dc0b9d0$2adc6799@nat67369> Thanks. Unfortunately, there is no such sticker on my unit. Matt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Year of MFG > > Matthew Whipple wrote: > > > > Since the Dragon was made from 1982-1993 is there any way to tell the year > > of Manufacture of my particular unit? > > > > Thanks, > > Matt > > > > Take a look at the rear panel. There should be a tiny circular > sticker, showing year and quarter of manufacture. > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Jun 16 14:34:24 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 14:34:24 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Year of MFG In-Reply-To: <010801c33402$2dc0b9d0$2adc6799@nat67369> References: <00e701c3311a$d4c88e50$2adc6799@nat67369><3EEA1FC8.E0F5E7F9@rcn.com> <010801c33402$2dc0b9d0$2adc6799@nat67369> Message-ID: <21532.212.78.179.234.1055766864.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> To my knowledge only Naks sold in the US had such a sticker... Wouter > Thanks. Unfortunately, there is no such sticker on my unit. > > Matt > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 3:02 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Year of MFG > > >> > Matthew Whipple wrote: >> > >> > Since the Dragon was made from 1982-1993 is there any way to tell the > year >> > of Manufacture of my particular unit? >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Matt >> > >> >> Take a look at the rear panel. There should be a tiny circular >> sticker, showing year and quarter of manufacture. >> >> -- Ron >> > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > From mwhipple at charter.net Mon Jun 16 14:37:27 2003 From: mwhipple at charter.net (Matthew Whipple) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 08:37:27 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Year of MFG References: <00e701c3311a$d4c88e50$2adc6799@nat67369><3EEA1FC8.E0F5E7F9@rcn.com> <010801c33402$2dc0b9d0$2adc6799@nat67369> <21532.212.78.179.234.1055766864.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <011601c33404$0bc8ac00$2adc6799@nat67369> Ah....That explains it. I believe the unit that I purchased used was originally purchased in Japan. Matt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wouter Heijke" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 8:34 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Year of MFG > To my knowledge only Naks sold in the US had such a sticker... > > Wouter > > > Thanks. Unfortunately, there is no such sticker on my unit. > > > > Matt > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron" > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 3:02 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Year of MFG > > > > > >> > Matthew Whipple wrote: > >> > > >> > Since the Dragon was made from 1982-1993 is there any way to tell the > > year > >> > of Manufacture of my particular unit? > >> > > >> > Thanks, > >> > Matt > >> > > >> > >> Take a look at the rear panel. There should be a tiny circular > >> sticker, showing year and quarter of manufacture. > >> > >> -- Ron > >> > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Jun 16 14:45:11 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 14:45:11 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Year of MFG In-Reply-To: <011601c33404$0bc8ac00$2adc6799@nat67369> References: <00e701c3311a$d4c88e50$2adc6799@nat67369><3EEA1FC8.E0F5E7F9@rcn.com> <010801c33402$2dc0b9d0$2adc6799@nat67369><21532.212.78.179.234.105576 6864.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <011601c33404$0bc8ac00$2adc6799@nat67369> Message-ID: <5258.212.78.179.234.1055767511.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> It is interesting to know the year of puschase.... We could start collecting serial info and combined with the information from the models sold in the US we could determine roughly when our 'non-us-sold' units were sold. I can imagine Nakamichi USA just added these stickers themselves when a batch of Naks came from Japan. I can contribute my 1000ZXL's serial number, it is a US unit. Wouter > Ah....That explains it. I believe the unit that I purchased used was > originally purchased in Japan. > > Matt > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wouter Heijke" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 8:34 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Year of MFG > > >> To my knowledge only Naks sold in the US had such a sticker... >> >> Wouter >> >> > Thanks. Unfortunately, there is no such sticker on my unit. >> > >> > Matt >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Ron" >> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 3:02 PM >> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Year of MFG >> > >> > >> >> > Matthew Whipple wrote: >> >> > >> >> > Since the Dragon was made from 1982-1993 is there any way to tell >> the >> > year >> >> > of Manufacture of my particular unit? >> >> > >> >> > Thanks, >> >> > Matt >> >> > >> >> >> >> Take a look at the rear panel. There should be a tiny circular >> >> sticker, showing year and quarter of manufacture. >> >> >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== >> > ======= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> >> To maintain your account please go here: >> > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >> >> > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== >> > ======= >> > >> > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> > To maintain your account please go here: >> > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= >> > >> >> > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Jun 16 14:50:43 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 08:50:43 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] nak cr-2a References: <007f01c3328c$7733ce80$da84590c@default> Message-ID: <3EEDBD23.AEABCA9@rcn.com> > kenneth kondyra wrote: > > Just purchased one of these for $150.00 in near mint condition and seems to > sound and record very nicely. Anyone with this deck have any comments to > share and is there a manual available on line for this unit. Would also > like to know if this deck came with a remote Thanks in advance. > > Ken I have the CR-1/CR-2 owner's manual (it's also on the ftp Naks.com site, currently inaccessible). Please let me know whether you can accept large files (2.8MB) and I'll be happy to email it to you. The CR-2 does not accept remote control commands directly. However, it has a wired remote jack on the back panel, allowing it to be remotely controlled through a receiver/transmitter combination (such as the RM-5 or similar after-market remotes) or from a Nakamichi device with a remote control output (such as one of the Nak receivers). -- Ron From mwhipple at charter.net Mon Jun 16 14:52:31 2003 From: mwhipple at charter.net (Matthew Whipple) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 08:52:31 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Year of MFG References: <00e701c3311a$d4c88e50$2adc6799@nat67369><3EEA1FC8.E0F5E7F9@rcn.com> <010801c33402$2dc0b9d0$2adc6799@nat67369><21532.212.78.179.234.105576 6864.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <011601c33404$0bc8ac00$2adc6799@nat67369> <5258.212.78.179.234.1055767511.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <011e01c33406$269f2d40$2adc6799@nat67369> I certainly can contribute my Dragon's serial number. It would be very interesting (for me at least) so see where my unit falls within the serial numbers of US units and their dates of mfg. Matt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wouter Heijke" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 8:45 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Year of MFG > It is interesting to know the year of puschase.... > We could start collecting serial info and combined with the information > from the models sold in the US we could determine roughly when our > 'non-us-sold' units were sold. > I can imagine Nakamichi USA just added these stickers themselves when a > batch of Naks came from Japan. > > I can contribute my 1000ZXL's serial number, it is a US unit. > > Wouter > > > Ah....That explains it. I believe the unit that I purchased used was > > originally purchased in Japan. > > > > Matt > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Wouter Heijke" > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 8:34 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Year of MFG > > > > > >> To my knowledge only Naks sold in the US had such a sticker... > >> > >> Wouter > >> > >> > Thanks. Unfortunately, there is no such sticker on my unit. > >> > > >> > Matt > >> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Ron" > >> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > >> > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 3:02 PM > >> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Year of MFG > >> > > >> > > >> >> > Matthew Whipple wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> > Since the Dragon was made from 1982-1993 is there any way to tell > >> the > >> > year > >> >> > of Manufacture of my particular unit? > >> >> > > >> >> > Thanks, > >> >> > Matt > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> Take a look at the rear panel. There should be a tiny circular > >> >> sticker, showing year and quarter of manufacture. > >> >> > >> >> -- Ron > >> >> > >> > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > >> > ======= > >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> >> To maintain your account please go here: > >> > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> >> > >> > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > >> > ======= > >> > > >> > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> > To maintain your account please go here: > >> > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > >> > > >> > >> > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Jun 16 14:59:46 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 08:59:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Somewhat off topic: Tascam 112 MkII References: <001501c333b5$af584280$a8f4c1cf@jnorris.ttu.edu> Message-ID: <3EEDBF42.938BD7C2@rcn.com> "Michael S. Yoder" wrote: > > Sorry that I'm a bit off-topic here, but I need advice. > > The bottom line: I'm not comfortable taking my Nak DR-3 out of my living > room to small auditoriums, campus, coffee houses, etc. to record the various > jazz "groups" I'm involved with. I'd like to have a machine dedicated to > remote, live recording of the various sessions. > > Does anyone have any experience or knowledge of the Tascam 112 MkII > rack-mount unit? Initially it looks appealing to me not only because it > appears rock solid on the outside and is rack-mountable (3 rack spaces), > but it has a pitch control (potentially useful for many things), and it's > part of the "professional series" of Tascam which, at least as far as its > bigger sibling, the 122 MkIII, is concerned, can stand the rigors of heavy > use. > > I cannot find a single review of the 112 MkII via Google. Does anyone > know if the 112 MkII is in fact as durable as the famous 122 series or at > least in the ballpark? Fidelity wise, how good is it? > > As far as I'm concerned, my Nak DR-3 stays hooked up to my Rega integrated > amp, and my Sony KA3ES stays hooked up in my home recording studio. > > But what about a machine for remote recordings? The Sony and Marantz > portable > units really have terrible spec's (S/N ratio, freq. response, wow/flutter), > so I'm thinking a full-fledged deck is the way to go. The big sibling > Tascam 122 MkIII, which one technician tells me is a big step up from the > 112 MkII, is a bit too expensive. Inexpensive "consumer" type units (Sony > KA1ESA, the lesser-expensive Tascams: 102 MkII and 130, etc.) seem too > fragile to carry around and probably have crappy internal components and > transports anyway, even if they might produce good sound for the money fresh > out of the box. I think it would be a mistake to acquire a great Nakamichi > vintage machine, have it calibrated and fixed up, and then take it all over > town. > > I appreciate whatever advice or comments you can provide. > > Thanks. > Michael Yoder > msyoder at border.net Have you considered the MR-1 for a rack mountable professional recorder? It takes two spaces, has pitch control and sounds fabulous (pretty close to the CR-7). For a portable unit, the 550 is said to have that Nakamichi sound (I am repeating others' opinions -- I have never actually heard one). With these two, you can still have a purely Nakamichi lineup. -- Ron From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Jun 16 15:03:25 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 09:03:25 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Year of MFG References: <00e701c3311a$d4c88e50$2adc6799@nat67369> <010801c33402$2dc0b9d0$2adc6799@nat67369> Message-ID: <3EEDC01D.696F0109@rcn.com> In that case, you may be able to get a rough idea by correlating serial numbers. Please post the S/N of your unit. Other Dragon owners may come up with the S/Ns and manufacturing dates of their units. This will allow you to calculate approximate date. -- Ron Matthew Whipple wrote: > > Thanks. Unfortunately, there is no such sticker on my unit. > > Matt > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 3:02 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Year of MFG > > > > Matthew Whipple wrote: > > > > > > Since the Dragon was made from 1982-1993 is there any way to tell the > year > > > of Manufacture of my particular unit? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Matt > > > > > > > Take a look at the rear panel. There should be a tiny circular > > sticker, showing year and quarter of manufacture. > > > > -- Ron From mwhipple at charter.net Mon Jun 16 15:07:43 2003 From: mwhipple at charter.net (Matthew Whipple) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 09:07:43 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Year of MFG References: <00e701c3311a$d4c88e50$2adc6799@nat67369><010801c33402$2dc0b9d0$2adc6799@nat67369> <3EEDC01D.696F0109@rcn.com> Message-ID: <013001c33408$47a34150$2adc6799@nat67369> The serial number of my unit is: 07851 Any help would be greatly appreciated!! Matt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 9:03 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Year of MFG > > In that case, you may be able to get a rough idea by correlating > serial numbers. Please post the S/N of your unit. Other Dragon > owners may come up with the S/Ns and manufacturing dates of their > units. This will allow you to calculate approximate date. > > -- Ron > > > Matthew Whipple wrote: > > > > Thanks. Unfortunately, there is no such sticker on my unit. > > > > Matt > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron" > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 3:02 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Year of MFG > > > > > > Matthew Whipple wrote: > > > > > > > > Since the Dragon was made from 1982-1993 is there any way to tell the > > year > > > > of Manufacture of my particular unit? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Matt > > > > > > > > > > Take a look at the rear panel. There should be a tiny circular > > > sticker, showing year and quarter of manufacture. > > > > > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From croquetgod at yahoo.com Mon Jun 16 15:39:39 2003 From: croquetgod at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jens-M.=20Arndt?=) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:39:39 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] NAK Owners List (was: Dragon Year of MFG) In-Reply-To: <5258.212.78.179.234.1055767511.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <20030616133939.47669.qmail@web13505.mail.yahoo.com> Wouter, is there any chance that you could add a "Nakamichi Owners List to www.naks.com? For a (small example) please have a look "Addams Family Owners List" which lists owners of the best pinball machine ever built (ofcourse also a vintage model and not in production anymore and therefore in certain way similar to the naks...) jens --- Wouter Heijke schrieb: > It is interesting to know the year of puschase.... > We could start collecting serial info and combined > with the information > from the models sold in the US we could determine > roughly when our > 'non-us-sold' units were sold. > I can imagine Nakamichi USA just added these > stickers themselves when a > batch of Naks came from Japan. > > I can contribute my 1000ZXL's serial number, it is a > US unit. > > Wouter > > > Ah....That explains it. I believe the unit that I > purchased used was > > originally purchased in Japan. > > > > Matt > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Wouter Heijke" > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 8:34 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Year of MFG > > > > > >> To my knowledge only Naks sold in the US had such > a sticker... > >> > >> Wouter > >> > >> > Thanks. Unfortunately, there is no such > sticker on my unit. > >> > > >> > Matt > >> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Ron" > >> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > >> > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 3:02 PM > >> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Year of MFG > >> > > >> > > >> >> > Matthew Whipple wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> > Since the Dragon was made from 1982-1993 is > there any way to tell > >> the > >> > year > >> >> > of Manufacture of my particular unit? > >> >> > > >> >> > Thanks, > >> >> > Matt > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> Take a look at the rear panel. There should be > a tiny circular > >> >> sticker, showing year and quarter of > manufacture. > >> >> > >> >> -- Ron > >> >> > >> > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > >> > ======= > >> >> Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > >> >> To maintain your account please go here: > >> > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> >> > >> > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > >> > ======= > >> > > >> > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > >> > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > >> > To maintain your account please go here: > >> > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > >> > > >> > >> > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > >> Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > >> To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Logos und Klingeltöne fürs Handy bei http://sms.yahoo.de From croquetgod at yahoo.com Mon Jun 16 15:44:13 2003 From: croquetgod at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jens-M.=20Arndt?=) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:44:13 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] NAK Owners List (was: Dragon Year of MFG) Message-ID: <20030616134413.79904.qmail@web13509.mail.yahoo.com> sorry, forgot the link to the addams family owners list: http://www27.brinkster.com/taflist/pinball/ jens --- "Jens-M. Arndt" schrieb: > Wouter, > > is there any chance that you could add a "Nakamichi > Owners List to www.naks.com? > > For a (small example) please have a look "Addams > Family Owners List" which lists owners of the best > pinball machine ever built (ofcourse also a vintage > model and not in production anymore and therefore in > certain way similar to the naks...) > > jens > > > > > --- Wouter Heijke schrieb: > It > is interesting to know the year of puschase.... > > We could start collecting serial info and combined > > with the information > > from the models sold in the US we could determine > > roughly when our > > 'non-us-sold' units were sold. > > I can imagine Nakamichi USA just added these > > stickers themselves when a > > batch of Naks came from Japan. > > > > I can contribute my 1000ZXL's serial number, it is > a > > US unit. > > > > Wouter > > > > > Ah....That explains it. I believe the unit that > I > > purchased used was > > > originally purchased in Japan. > > > > > > Matt > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Wouter Heijke" > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > > > Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 8:34 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Year of MFG > > > > > > > > >> To my knowledge only Naks sold in the US had > such > > a sticker... > > >> > > >> Wouter > > >> > > >> > Thanks. Unfortunately, there is no such > > sticker on my unit. > > >> > > > >> > Matt > > >> > > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > > >> > From: "Ron" > > >> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > > >> > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 3:02 PM > > >> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Year of MFG > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >> > Matthew Whipple wrote: > > >> >> > > > >> >> > Since the Dragon was made from 1982-1993 > is > > there any way to tell > > >> the > > >> > year > > >> >> > of Manufacture of my particular unit? > > >> >> > > > >> >> > Thanks, > > >> >> > Matt > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >> >> Take a look at the rear panel. There should > be > > a tiny circular > > >> >> sticker, showing year and quarter of > > manufacture. > > >> >> > > >> >> -- Ron > > >> >> > > >> > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > >> > ======= > > >> >> Naktalk at naks.com > > mailinglist > > >> >> To maintain your account please go here: > > >> > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >> >> > > >> > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > >> > ======= > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > >> > Naktalk at naks.com > > mailinglist > > >> > To maintain your account please go here: > > >> > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >> > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > >> Naktalk at naks.com > > mailinglist > > >> To maintain your account please go here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >> > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com > > mailinglist > > > To maintain your account please go here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > > mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ===== > 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf > Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina > Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in > einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. > Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) > > __________________________________________________________________ > > Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de > Logos und Klingeltöne fürs Handy bei > http://sms.yahoo.de > ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Logos und Klingeltöne fürs Handy bei http://sms.yahoo.de From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Jun 16 15:49:16 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:49:16 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] NAK Owners List (was: Dragon Year of MFG) In-Reply-To: <20030616133939.47669.qmail@web13505.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5258.212.78.179.234.1055767511.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <20030616133939.47669.qmail@web13505.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <21085.212.78.179.234.1055771356.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Hi Jens, In fact a 'product registration' was already on my todo list for the new site!! Imagine this scenario... you go to naks.com to register your 'new' Nak and then get support for it, like a (pdf) manual, or access to the knowledgebase or FAQ!!!! But i'll see if i can speedup this new part of the site in the old site so we can collect the serial numbers. Wouter > Wouter, > > is there any chance that you could add a "Nakamichi > Owners List to www.naks.com? > > For a (small example) please have a look "Addams > Family Owners List" which lists owners of the best > pinball machine ever built (ofcourse also a vintage > model and not in production anymore and therefore in > certain way similar to the naks...) > > jens > > > > > --- Wouter Heijke schrieb: > It > is interesting to know the year of puschase.... >> We could start collecting serial info and combined >> with the information >> from the models sold in the US we could determine >> roughly when our >> 'non-us-sold' units were sold. >> I can imagine Nakamichi USA just added these >> stickers themselves when a >> batch of Naks came from Japan. >> >> I can contribute my 1000ZXL's serial number, it is a >> US unit. >> >> Wouter >> >> > Ah....That explains it. I believe the unit that I >> purchased used was >> > originally purchased in Japan. >> > >> > Matt >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Wouter Heijke" >> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> >> > Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 8:34 AM >> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Year of MFG >> > >> > >> >> To my knowledge only Naks sold in the US had such >> a sticker... >> >> >> >> Wouter >> >> >> >> > Thanks. Unfortunately, there is no such >> sticker on my unit. >> >> > >> >> > Matt >> >> > >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> >> > From: "Ron" >> >> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> >> >> > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 3:02 PM >> >> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Year of MFG >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> > Matthew Whipple wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Since the Dragon was made from 1982-1993 is >> there any way to tell >> >> the >> >> > year >> >> >> > of Manufacture of my particular unit? >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Thanks, >> >> >> > Matt >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Take a look at the rear panel. There should be >> a tiny circular >> >> >> sticker, showing year and quarter of >> manufacture. >> >> >> >> >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== >> >> > ======= >> >> >> Naktalk at naks.com >> mailinglist >> >> >> To maintain your account please go here: >> >> > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== >> >> > ======= >> >> > >> >> > >> > >> > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== >> > ======= >> >> > Naktalk at naks.com >> mailinglist >> >> > To maintain your account please go here: >> >> > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >> > >> > >> > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== >> > ======= >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== >> > ======= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com >> mailinglist >> >> To maintain your account please go here: >> > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >> >> > >> > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== >> > ======= >> > >> > >> > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Naktalk at naks.com >> mailinglist >> > To maintain your account please go here: >> > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > >> > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >> > >> >> > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com >> mailinglist >> To maintain your account please go here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ===== > 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, > man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat > in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' > (Harry Rowohlt) > > __________________________________________________________________ > > Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de > Logos und Klingeltöne fürs Handy bei http://sms.yahoo.de > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Jun 16 16:05:06 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 16:05:06 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] NAK Owners List (was: Dragon Year of MFG) In-Reply-To: <20030616134413.79904.qmail@web13509.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030616134413.79904.qmail@web13509.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <15413.212.78.179.234.1055772306.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Thanks Jens, a very useful link, even showing database layout :-p I'll start writing something similar tonight! Wouter > sorry, > > forgot the link to the addams family owners list: > > http://www27.brinkster.com/taflist/pinball/ > > jens > > > --- "Jens-M. Arndt" schrieb: > > Wouter, >> >> is there any chance that you could add a "Nakamichi >> Owners List to www.naks.com? >> >> For a (small example) please have a look "Addams >> Family Owners List" which lists owners of the best >> pinball machine ever built (ofcourse also a vintage >> model and not in production anymore and therefore in >> certain way similar to the naks...) >> >> jens >> >> >> >> >> --- Wouter Heijke schrieb: > It >> is interesting to know the year of puschase.... >> > We could start collecting serial info and combined >> > with the information >> > from the models sold in the US we could determine >> > roughly when our >> > 'non-us-sold' units were sold. >> > I can imagine Nakamichi USA just added these >> > stickers themselves when a >> > batch of Naks came from Japan. >> > >> > I can contribute my 1000ZXL's serial number, it is >> a >> > US unit. >> > >> > Wouter >> > >> > > Ah....That explains it. I believe the unit that >> I >> > purchased used was >> > > originally purchased in Japan. >> > > >> > > Matt >> > > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > From: "Wouter Heijke" >> > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> > >> > > Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 8:34 AM >> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Year of MFG >> > > >> > > >> > >> To my knowledge only Naks sold in the US had >> such >> > a sticker... >> > >> >> > >> Wouter >> > >> >> > >> > Thanks. Unfortunately, there is no such >> > sticker on my unit. >> > >> > >> > >> > Matt >> > >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > >> > From: "Ron" >> > >> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> > >> > >> > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 3:02 PM >> > >> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Year of MFG >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > Matthew Whipple wrote: >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > Since the Dragon was made from 1982-1993 >> is >> > there any way to tell >> > >> the >> > >> > year >> > >> >> > of Manufacture of my particular unit? >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > Thanks, >> > >> >> > Matt >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> >> Take a look at the rear panel. There should >> be >> > a tiny circular >> > >> >> sticker, showing year and quarter of >> > manufacture. >> > >> >> >> > >> >> -- Ron >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> > > >> > >> > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== >> > >> > ======= >> > >> >> Naktalk at naks.com >> > mailinglist >> > >> >> To maintain your account please go here: >> > >> > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> > > >> > >> > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== >> > >> > ======= >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > >> > >> > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== >> > > ======= >> > >> > Naktalk at naks.com >> > mailinglist >> > >> > To maintain your account please go here: >> > >> > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > >> > >> > > >> > >> > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== >> > > ======= >> > >> > >> > >> >> > >> >> > > >> > >> > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== >> > > ======= >> > >> Naktalk at naks.com >> > mailinglist >> > >> To maintain your account please go here: >> > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > >> >> > > >> > >> > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== >> > > ======= >> > > >> > > >> > >> > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > Naktalk at naks.com >> > mailinglist >> > > To maintain your account please go here: >> > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > > >> > >> > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > >> > >> > >> > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Naktalk at naks.com >> > mailinglist >> > To maintain your account please go here: >> > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > >> > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> ===== >> 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf >> Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina >> Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in >> einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. >> Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) >> >> > __________________________________________________________________ >> >> Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de >> Logos und Klingeltöne fürs Handy bei >> http://sms.yahoo.de >> > > ===== > 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, > man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat > in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' > (Harry Rowohlt) > > __________________________________________________________________ > > Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de > Logos und Klingeltöne fürs Handy bei http://sms.yahoo.de > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > From khmerideth at anderson.edu Mon Jun 16 16:56:11 2003 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 09:56:11 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Somewhat off topic: Tascam 112 MkII Message-ID: >>> Ron 06/16/03 07:59AM >>> "Michael S. Yoder" wrote: > > Sorry that I'm a bit off-topic here, but I need advice. > > The bottom line: I'm not comfortable taking my Nak DR-3 out of my living > room to small auditoriums, campus, coffee houses, etc. to record the various > jazz "groups" I'm involved with. I'd like to have a machine dedicated to > remote, live recording of the various sessions. > > Does anyone have any experience or knowledge of the Tascam 112 MkII > rack-mount unit? Initially it looks appealing to me not only because it > appears rock solid on the outside and is rack-mountable (3 rack spaces), > but it has a pitch control (potentially useful for many things), and it's > part of the "professional series" of Tascam which, at least as far as its > bigger sibling, the 122 MkIII, is concerned, can stand the rigors of heavy > use. > > I cannot find a single review of the 112 MkII via Google. Does anyone > know if the 112 MkII is in fact as durable as the famous 122 series or at > least in the ballpark? Fidelity wise, how good is it? > > As far as I'm concerned, my Nak DR-3 stays hooked up to my Rega integrated > amp, and my Sony KA3ES stays hooked up in my home recording studio. > > But what about a machine for remote recordings? The Sony and Marantz > portable > units really have terrible spec's (S/N ratio, freq. response, wow/flutter), > so I'm thinking a full-fledged deck is the way to go. The big sibling > Tascam 122 MkIII, which one technician tells me is a big step up from the > 112 MkII, is a bit too expensive. Inexpensive "consumer" type units (Sony > KA1ESA, the lesser-expensive Tascams: 102 MkII and 130, etc.) seem too > fragile to carry around and probably have crappy internal components and > transports anyway, even if they might produce good sound for the money fresh > out of the box. I think it would be a mistake to acquire a great Nakamichi > vintage machine, have it calibrated and fixed up, and then take it all over > town. > > I appreciate whatever advice or comments you can provide. > > Thanks. > Michael Yoder > msyoder at border.net Have you considered the MR-1 for a rack mountable professional recorder? It takes two spaces, has pitch control and sounds fabulous (pretty close to the CR-7). For a portable unit, the 550 is said to have that Nakamichi sound (I am repeating others' opinions -- I have never actually heard one). With these two, you can still have a purely Nakamichi lineup. -- Ron I'll second Ron's recommendation for the MR-1. Have lugged mine around for about 4 years with no adverse effects. Use it directly off the recording sound board at church, using the balanced XLR outputs from the sound board to the MR-1 balanced XLR inputs. Copy to my second MR-1 using the same setup. Only use my 1976 vintage (no there is not a date of manufacture sticker on it, yes it was bought new in the U.S.A.) when I have to be mobile. Use to be able to hear some differences in the sound quality between the two, but it gets harder for me to do so any more. My double-nickel (age 55) ears are not as good as they use to be. The MR-1 3-head deck has better specs all the way around and handles metal (Type IV) tape, which the 550 does not. Have had 3 different recording engineers ( 2 from Gaither's Pinebrook Recording Studio and an independent) ask for first chance on the 550 if I ever wanted to sell it. They could not believe ANY 2-head CASSETTE deck could have listenable frequency response down to 20 Hz, I think one of them said it was 7-8 db down at 16 Hz, but dropped out about 16-17 kHz. Please remember we're talking 1974 production technology here (the design would be a few years before that)! With 8 alkaline D-cells in the 550, you'll find the seatbelt shoulder strap is a necessity. Have gone through 2 record/play heads on it, as those heads are not as rugged as the discrete series. Also it is not dual capstan, therefore the cassette pressure pad is a culprit for uneven head-wear possibilities. As long as you can count on having power available at your recording venues, I'd opt for the MR-1 (it does have pitch control, the 550 does not, although the speed adjust is accessible from the back, I don't recommend fiddling with it unnecessarily). Another aside here: Before leaving Magnavox (Strawplains Pike, Knoxville, TN) in 1981, I did a few capacitor upgrades with sample components. Took it down to the techs in the tape deck area of the audio department. The tech checking it out had heard about Nakamichi, but could not believe this PORTABLE could be very impressive. It was within 2 or 3 Hz of 3000 Hz, but was more impressed with the wow/flutter measurements. Don't remember the exact value, but think it was less than 0.1% peak (around 0.06 weighted), which was better than any deck he had tested. Actually, it was not the tech that did the measurements that told me much about the results, it was the other tech, that was observing, told me the "old timer" was ready to quash the rumor the 550 was so good. Turns out it beat out his higher end TEAC (don't think it was the very top model though)! It was nice to know my ear/psycoacoustic synergy had not been playing games with my wallet. The "measuring" tech did tell me the 550 was a pretty good deck and the speed did not need adjustment. After the "observer" tech told me the details, decided it was good enough to know the 550 was more than "adequate". Besides, I didn't want to "burn the bridges behind me". Since all I asked for was to make sure the speed was set correctly, the other info was icing on the cake. Supplied the service manual (which a couple engineers assured me $25.00 was not an outrageous price to pay) to help the tech check/adjust the 550. It was those same engineers that suggested I have the audio department check it out, since those guys had the necessary test tapes. Back then, I didn't know it was such a big deal to have the full line of Nak tapes. Luckily, no tweaking was necessary/done. That said, I'd still opt for the MR-1. Sorry for the rambling (not really). Kent Merideth ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Jun 16 17:29:32 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 17:29:32 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Tascam 112 - Michael Message-ID: Gosh Michael !! Sorry, I had totally forgotten the MR1 and 2 - Ron and Kent are right. That could keep things nicely in the "family". When getting a second hand MR1, of course you'll remember that they could have led hard lives.......... But that exquisite sound will make a tough search all the more worthwhile. Best of luck!! Marc The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From khmerideth at anderson.edu Mon Jun 16 17:31:49 2003 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 10:31:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 550 .... on eBay ... Message-ID: Ezio, Since my home connection was acting up, as usual, I could not even access eBay to bid any more on this item. Would not have bid you up any way. CONGRATULATIONS! What a great deal, especially if the case is in pretty good shape on the 550 you already have. Rest assured, you will appreciate the original shoulder strap. It is made from seat-belt webbing and is very comfortable. Kent >>> ezio.lucenti2 at virgilio.it 06/15/03 02:09PM >>> WON ! .... he he he he he he ----- happy now ! Sincerely Ezio Lucenti ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Mon Jun 16 17:50:36 2003 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 08:50:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Tascam 112 - Michael In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030616155036.3260.qmail@web40412.mail.yahoo.com> I love the MR-1's too. A friend of mine and I bought 107 of them from David Manley (yes of Manley Labs). I think he bought them from Quadim Corporation, a real time tape duplicator in Woodland Hills, CA. I have been going through them, fixing them up, calibrating and aligning them for the past few years. Even though they probably got a lot of use, they were all very well maintained at Quadim. Of the 107 only about 3 had multiple problems that I could not fix (or it did not make economic sense). All the rest were in good working condition with excellent frequency response and only needed minor repair along with record/playback head alignment and record level & bias calibration. The only major problem I had with them was the stupid pitch control. Almost 50% of them had bad pots. I only have about 10 left and four of them are already spoken for. I will probably keep a few extra around for parts and backup units. Scott J. --- Mark Hugo wrote: > Gosh Michael !! > > Sorry, I had totally forgotten the MR1 and 2 - Ron > and Kent are right. That could keep things nicely > in the "family". When getting a second hand MR1, of > course you'll remember that they could have led hard > lives.......... 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SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From kannan_s at vsnl.com Mon Jun 16 20:13:37 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 23:43:37 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Somewhat off topic: Tascam 112 MkII Message-ID: <20030616181337.01A961149F6@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From msyoder at border.net Mon Jun 16 21:33:08 2003 From: msyoder at border.net (Michael S. Yoder) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 14:33:08 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Somewhat off topic: Tascam 112 MkII Message-ID: <006601c3343e$1e4411a0$aaf4c1cf@jnorris.ttu.edu> Hi all, Thanks Marc, Ezio, Kent, Ron, Scott, and Kannan for all the wonderful and useful comments!! Yes, now that you mention it, I recall seeing a reference to the MR-1 a couple weeks ago when I ran across an old review (early 1990s?) of the Tascam 122, the expensive 3-head deck. I couldn't find it again just now, but I recall it saying that the MR-1 sounded better than the Tascam, but was not as durable or long-lasting. It said something like "be prepared to change 'x' and 'y' every so often with the MR-1." But the article also recommended to potential buyers of the 122 to check out the Nak first. Obviously the article was written when the MR-1 was still in production. That said, I think the MR-1 or the MR-2 would work fine for my purposes, but I would definitely want to seek one out that has a known history (i.e., for sale by original owner; not overly used, etc.) I'm EXTREMELY careful with my equipment, and would expect a prior owner of anything I buy to be the same way! In the mean time, I "googled" the Tascam 112 mkII in more detail, and found that quite a few studios (mostly university but some commercial) and theaters (including one in Toronto and the Lincoln Center) use it. I e-mailed a professor in the audio/radio/film department at Towson Univ. in Maryland, one of the universities that uses the 112 mkII, and he wrote back praising the machine (they have 2 of them. . . .one in each of their two recording studios). So, here's what I *think* I'm gonna do (unless more messages appear that convince me otherwise): Order a Tascam 112 (new), and take my time to look for a good MR-1, MR-2, or *perhaps* a 550 (I sense from what y'all were saying that the real advantage of the 550 is not so much the sound but the extreme portability, which really isn't such an issue for me. I will probably always have electricity available in the various auditoriums, coffee houses, etc.) And I'm sure that you all understand that this strategy would not be overkill. After all, aren't most of us collectors at heart, especially when it comes to good analog tape equipment? Why shouldn't I get both a Tascam *and* a good used Nakamichi (without whole bunches of hours on it)? Marc's review of the 112 and Kent's and Ezio's comments about the MR-1 and 550 convince me that all of these are worth having!! Just a side note: I'm 43 and have used the cassette format seriously since I was in my teens. Last year I released a CD that was recorded almost entirely to Tascam multitrack "Portastudio" cassette recorders (though mixed to DAT or MD), and this fact has surprised more than a few people in the biz who have heard it. One studio owner in Austin who does pure digital said that sound-quality-wise, my CD sounds as good as anything he's produced (I agree with him). It's addictive! There's certainly a very romantic side to analog recording, as well as audio advantages. I'm so GLAD my girlfriend understands all of this. She only rolls her eyes and doesn't pitch a fit when I talk about getting yet another piece of gear!! I certainly welcome any further comments on this topic. This has been a most useful thread for me. Thanks a million, guys! Warmest regards, Michael From p9019 at yahoo.com Mon Jun 16 21:42:32 2003 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 12:42:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Somewhat off topic: Tascam 112 MkII In-Reply-To: <20030616181337.01A961149F6@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <20030616194232.17391.qmail@web40407.mail.yahoo.com> The CR7 is a wonderful machine, but, for live recording when you are taking the signal right out of the mixer the MR-1 is the only choice. The key, balanced XLR's. If the get an MR-1 made after mid/late 88 it will have the gear idler from the factory and if it has a small white dot sticker on the bottom cover then it's an MR-1B and it has the new record/playback equalization. The MR-1B is sort of a secret model that I've never seen advertised, but, I've seen it on the dealer price sheets. BTW - I think the MR-1 is 3 rackspaces tall. Scott J. --- kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > > > I would consider a CR7 with a gear/ eq update a > fantastic tool for a recording studio / or an > outdoor work provided power is available and > suitable outboard balanced to single ended > connection is provided along with 120V AC power > source available! Only consideration will be almost > 1.5 times the weight of MR1! > My 2 cents here eventhough I do not have recording > studio experience! > Anyway thanks to Kent for a nice write up about 550 > - a machine I never heard but would like to own! > kannan > > Have you considered the MR-1 for a rack mountable > professional > recorder? It takes two spaces, has pitch control and > sounds > fabulous (pretty close to the CR-7). > > For a portable unit, the 550 is said to have that > Nakamichi > sound (I am repeating others' opinions -- I have > never actually > heard one). > > With these two, you can still have a purely > Nakamichi lineup. > > -- Ron > > I'll second Ron's recommendation for the MR-1. Have > lugged mine around for about 4 years with no adverse > effects. Use it directly off the recording sound > board at church, using the balanced XLR outputs from > the sound board to the MR-1 balanced XLR inputs. > Copy to my second MR-1 using the same setup. Only > use my 1976 vintage (no there is not a date of > manufacture sticker on it, yes it was bought new in > the U.S.A.) when I have to be mobile. Use to be > able to hear some differences in the sound quality > between the two, but it gets harder for me to do so > any more. My double-nickel (age 55) ears are not as > good as they use to be. The MR-1 3-head deck has > better specs all the way around and handles metal > (Type IV) tape, which the 550 does not. Have had 3 > different recording engineers ( 2 from Gaither's > Pinebrook Recording Studio and an independent) ask > for first chance on the 550 if I ever wanted to sell > it. They could not believe ANY 2-head CASSETTE deck > could have listen! > able frequency response down to 20 Hz, I think one > of them said it was 7-8 db down at 16 Hz, but > dropped out about 16-17 kHz. Please remember we're > talking 1974 production technology here (the design > would be a few years before that)! With 8 alkaline > D-cells in the 550, you'll find the seatbelt > shoulder strap is a necessity. Have gone through 2 > record/play heads on it, as those heads are not as > rugged as the discrete series. Also it is not dual > capstan, therefore the cassette pressure pad is a > culprit for uneven head-wear possibilities. As long > as you can count on having power available at your > recording venues, I'd opt for the MR-1 (it does have > pitch control, the 550 does not, although the speed > adjust is accessible from the back, I don't > recommend fiddling with it unnecessarily). > > Another aside here: Before leaving Magnavox > (Strawplains Pike, Knoxville, TN) in 1981, I did a > few capacitor upgrades with sample components. Took > it down to the techs in the tape deck area of the > audio department. The tech checking it out had > heard about Nakamichi, but could not believe this > PORTABLE could be very impressive. It was within 2 > or 3 Hz of 3000 Hz, but was more impressed with the > wow/flutter measurements. Don't remember the exact > value, but think it was less than 0.1% peak (around > 0.06 weighted), which was better than any deck he > had tested. Actually, it was not the tech that did > the measurements that told me much about the > results, it was the other tech, that was observing, > told me the "old timer" was ready to quash the rumor > the 550 was so good. Turns out it beat out his > higher end TEAC (don't think it was the very top > model though)! It was nice to know my > ear/psycoacoustic synergy had not been playing games > with my wallet. The "measuring" tech did t! > ell me the 550 was a pretty good deck and the speed > did not need adjustment. After the "observer" tech > told me the details, decided it was good enough to > know the 550 was more than "adequate". Besides, I > didn't want to "burn the bridges behind me". Since > all I asked for was to make sure the speed was set > correctly, the other info was icing on the cake. > Supplied the service manual (which a couple > engineers assured me $25.00 was not an outrageous > price to pay) to help the tech check/adjust the 550. > It was those same engineers that suggested I have > the audio department check it out, since those guys > had the necessary test tapes. Back then, I didn't > know it was such a big deal to have the full line of > Nak tapes. Luckily, no tweaking was necessary/done. > > > That said, I'd still opt for the MR-1. Sorry for > the rambling (not really). > > Kent Merideth > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Jun 16 22:17:54 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 16:17:54 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Somewhat off topic: Tascam 112 MkII References: <20030616194232.17391.qmail@web40407.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3EEE25F2.36DE2B72@rcn.com> Scott Johnson wrote: > > [........] > > BTW - I think the MR-1 is 3 rackspaces tall. Of course, it is. My apology for the typo. -- Ron > > Scott J. > > --- kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > > > > > > I would consider a CR7 with a gear/ eq update a > > fantastic tool for a recording studio / or an > > outdoor work provided power is available and > > suitable outboard balanced to single ended > > connection is provided along with 120V AC power > > source available! Only consideration will be almost > > 1.5 times the weight of MR1! > > My 2 cents here eventhough I do not have recording > > studio experience! > > Anyway thanks to Kent for a nice write up about 550 > > - a machine I never heard but would like to own! > > kannan > > > > Have you considered the MR-1 for a rack mountable > > professional > > recorder? It takes two spaces, has pitch control and > > sounds > > fabulous (pretty close to the CR-7). > > > > For a portable unit, the 550 is said to have that > > Nakamichi > > sound (I am repeating others' opinions -- I have > > never actually > > heard one). > > > > With these two, you can still have a purely > > Nakamichi lineup. > > > > -- Ron > > > > I'll second Ron's recommendation for the MR-1. Have > > lugged mine around for about 4 years with no adverse > > effects. Use it directly off the recording sound > > board at church, using the balanced XLR outputs from > > the sound board to the MR-1 balanced XLR inputs. > > Copy to my second MR-1 using the same setup. Only > > use my 1976 vintage (no there is not a date of > > manufacture sticker on it, yes it was bought new in > > the U.S.A.) when I have to be mobile. Use to be > > able to hear some differences in the sound quality > > between the two, but it gets harder for me to do so > > any more. My double-nickel (age 55) ears are not as > > good as they use to be. The MR-1 3-head deck has > > better specs all the way around and handles metal > > (Type IV) tape, which the 550 does not. Have had 3 > > different recording engineers ( 2 from Gaither's > > Pinebrook Recording Studio and an independent) ask > > for first chance on the 550 if I ever wanted to sell > > it. They could not believe ANY 2-head CASSETTE deck > > could have listen! > > able frequency response down to 20 Hz, I think one > > of them said it was 7-8 db down at 16 Hz, but > > dropped out about 16-17 kHz. Please remember we're > > talking 1974 production technology here (the design > > would be a few years before that)! With 8 alkaline > > D-cells in the 550, you'll find the seatbelt > > shoulder strap is a necessity. Have gone through 2 > > record/play heads on it, as those heads are not as > > rugged as the discrete series. Also it is not dual > > capstan, therefore the cassette pressure pad is a > > culprit for uneven head-wear possibilities. As long > > as you can count on having power available at your > > recording venues, I'd opt for the MR-1 (it does have > > pitch control, the 550 does not, although the speed > > adjust is accessible from the back, I don't > > recommend fiddling with it unnecessarily). > > > > Another aside here: Before leaving Magnavox > > (Strawplains Pike, Knoxville, TN) in 1981, I did a > > few capacitor upgrades with sample components. Took > > it down to the techs in the tape deck area of the > > audio department. The tech checking it out had > > heard about Nakamichi, but could not believe this > > PORTABLE could be very impressive. It was within 2 > > or 3 Hz of 3000 Hz, but was more impressed with the > > wow/flutter measurements. Don't remember the exact > > value, but think it was less than 0.1% peak (around > > 0.06 weighted), which was better than any deck he > > had tested. Actually, it was not the tech that did > > the measurements that told me much about the > > results, it was the other tech, that was observing, > > told me the "old timer" was ready to quash the rumor > > the 550 was so good. Turns out it beat out his > > higher end TEAC (don't think it was the very top > > model though)! It was nice to know my > > ear/psycoacoustic synergy had not been playing games > > with my wallet. The "measuring" tech did t! > > ell me the 550 was a pretty good deck and the speed > > did not need adjustment. After the "observer" tech > > told me the details, decided it was good enough to > > know the 550 was more than "adequate". Besides, I > > didn't want to "burn the bridges behind me". Since > > all I asked for was to make sure the speed was set > > correctly, the other info was icing on the cake. > > Supplied the service manual (which a couple > > engineers assured me $25.00 was not an outrageous > > price to pay) to help the tech check/adjust the 550. > > It was those same engineers that suggested I have > > the audio department check it out, since those guys > > had the necessary test tapes. Back then, I didn't > > know it was such a big deal to have the full line of > > Nak tapes. Luckily, no tweaking was necessary/done. > > > > > > That said, I'd still opt for the MR-1. Sorry for > > the rambling (not really). > > > > Kent Merideth From kannan_s at vsnl.com Mon Jun 16 22:23:06 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 01:53:06 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] NR-200 Message-ID: <20030616202306.314A6114925@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From kjbleus at charter.net Mon Jun 16 23:20:20 2003 From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 16:20:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 550's Galore!!! Message-ID: <003101c3344d$175ef0d0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6> Congratulations, Ezio! Will you rehab your first purchased 550, or the second purchased 550? Roll-up your sleeves and get to work my friend!!! I'm also fortunate, I grabbed a second 550 last week. Included the very nice original shoulder strap which has been a priority purchase for me. Now I'll have a backup 550, and if necessary mucho vital parts for the future repairs, etc.... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3028408656&category=3284 Dear NakTalkers & NakChatters , Please note that I now have posted the entire Nak 550 brochure and audio technical reviews on the Nak CyberSpot website for viewing: http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nak550a.html Also, a latest addition to the CyberSpot website is the Nak T-100 Audio Analyzer brochure, in full color graphics! http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakt100a.html Soon, the Nak Microphone brochure (as submitted to Wouter earlier during June). Best regards, Bleus de Nakker Madison, Wisc USA kjbleus at charter.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ezio.lucenti2 at virgilio.it Tue Jun 17 01:47:31 2003 From: ezio.lucenti2 at virgilio.it (Ezio) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 01:47:31 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 550's Galore!!! In-Reply-To: <003101c3344d$175ef0d0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030617014705.00a92c90@in.virgilio.it> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ezio.lucenti2 at virgilio.it Tue Jun 17 02:02:22 2003 From: ezio.lucenti2 at virgilio.it (Ezio) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 02:02:22 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 550 .... on eBay ... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030617015633.00a95b30@in.virgilio.it> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From croquetgod at yahoo.com Tue Jun 17 12:33:52 2003 From: croquetgod at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jens-M.=20Arndt?=) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 12:33:52 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX: "auto azimuth alignment" plate wanted Message-ID: <20030617103352.82099.qmail@web13506.mail.yahoo.com> Hi there, I have just received a 680ZX from the ebay seller. Optically the deck is still in ver good condition with one exception: the small front plate named "auto azimuth alignment" is heavily dented and scratched. Any idea from where I could get a replacement? Jens ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Logos und Klingeltöne fürs Handy bei http://sms.yahoo.de From wheijke at xs4all.nl Tue Jun 17 12:46:04 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 12:46:04 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX: 'auto azimuth alignment' plate wanted In-Reply-To: <20030617103352.82099.qmail@web13506.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030617103352.82099.qmail@web13506.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4986.212.78.179.234.1055846764.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Hi Jens, Getting one seems difficult to me, or someone must have a parts-unit... But,what i've done for covers of several Naks is take-off all the paint (use some chemical paint remover for it) and then spray the cover again with several layers of paint... Since this is a smaller piece of metal it should be possible with one difficulty the 'silver' lettering.... you could use a small brush, a steady hand and some silver colored paint and a lot of patience..... Could be done i guess since the lettering punched out of the metal. I haven't dont this but i would do it if such a unit crosses my path ;-) Gives a good feeling to see your Nak like new, it did to me with the covers of a HighComII, BX300 and 680ZX! Wouter > Hi there, > > I have just received a 680ZX from the ebay seller. > Optically the deck is still in ver good condition with > one exception: > the small front plate named "auto azimuth alignment" > is heavily dented and scratched. > > Any idea from where I could get a replacement? > > Jens > > ===== > 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, > man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat > in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' > (Harry Rowohlt) > > __________________________________________________________________ > > Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de > Logos und Klingeltöne fürs Handy bei http://sms.yahoo.de > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > From croquetgod at yahoo.com Tue Jun 17 13:05:04 2003 From: croquetgod at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jens-M.=20Arndt?=) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:05:04 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX: 'auto azimuth alignment' plate wanted In-Reply-To: <4986.212.78.179.234.1055846764.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <20030617110504.85090.qmail@web13506.mail.yahoo.com> Wouter, thanks a lot. I'll follow your advice. It really doesn't make sense to look for a parts unit just for this small plate worth only a few cents... jens --- Wouter Heijke schrieb: > Hi Jens, > > Getting one seems difficult to me, or someone must > have a parts-unit... > But,what i've done for covers of several Naks is > take-off all the paint > (use some chemical paint remover for it) and then > spray the cover again > with several layers of paint... > Since this is a smaller piece of metal it should be > possible with one > difficulty the 'silver' lettering.... you could use > a small brush, a > steady hand and some silver colored paint and a lot > of patience..... Could > be done i guess since the lettering punched out of > the metal. > > I haven't dont this but i would do it if such a unit > crosses my path ;-) > Gives a good feeling to see your Nak like new, it > did to me with the > covers of a HighComII, BX300 and 680ZX! > > Wouter > > > > Hi there, > > > > I have just received a 680ZX from the ebay seller. > > Optically the deck is still in ver good condition > with > > one exception: > > the small front plate named "auto azimuth > alignment" > > is heavily dented and scratched. > > > > Any idea from where I could get a replacement? > > > > Jens > > > > ===== > > 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder > auf Beatles oder Stones, > > man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf > Sofia Loren. Beides hat > > in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie > St. Pauli und HSV.' > > (Harry Rowohlt) > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > > > > Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de > > Logos und Klingeltöne fürs Handy bei > http://sms.yahoo.de > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ===== 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' (Harry Rowohlt) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Logos und Klingeltöne fürs Handy bei http://sms.yahoo.de From wheijke at xs4all.nl Tue Jun 17 13:14:14 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:14:14 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX: 'auto azimuth alignment' plate wanted In-Reply-To: <20030617110504.85090.qmail@web13506.mail.yahoo.com> References: <4986.212.78.179.234.1055846764.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <20030617110504.85090.qmail@web13506.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9658.212.78.179.234.1055848454.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Hi Jens, And if you come across a parts unit you know what to do! Another option is to use a black marker. I used it to hide the small dents on some of these plates or covers, works well. You just have to see how much work you want to put into it. If you go for the spray option it could be the nicest, you may have to experiment with the silverpaint, i can imagine this is the tricky part to have it look the same. Wouter > Wouter, > > thanks a lot. > > I'll follow your advice. It really doesn't make sense > to look for a parts unit just for this small plate > worth only a few cents... > > jens > > > > > --- Wouter Heijke schrieb: > Hi > Jens, >> >> Getting one seems difficult to me, or someone must >> have a parts-unit... >> But,what i've done for covers of several Naks is >> take-off all the paint >> (use some chemical paint remover for it) and then >> spray the cover again >> with several layers of paint... >> Since this is a smaller piece of metal it should be >> possible with one >> difficulty the 'silver' lettering.... you could use >> a small brush, a >> steady hand and some silver colored paint and a lot >> of patience..... Could >> be done i guess since the lettering punched out of >> the metal. >> >> I haven't dont this but i would do it if such a unit >> crosses my path ;-) >> Gives a good feeling to see your Nak like new, it >> did to me with the >> covers of a HighComII, BX300 and 680ZX! >> >> Wouter >> >> >> > Hi there, >> > >> > I have just received a 680ZX from the ebay seller. >> > Optically the deck is still in ver good condition >> with >> > one exception: >> > the small front plate named "auto azimuth >> alignment" >> > is heavily dented and scratched. >> > >> > Any idea from where I could get a replacement? >> > >> > Jens >> > >> > ===== >> > 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder >> auf Beatles oder Stones, >> > man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf >> Sofia Loren. Beides hat >> > in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie >> St. Pauli und HSV.' >> > (Harry Rowohlt) >> > >> > >> > __________________________________________________________________ >> > >> > Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de >> > Logos und Klingeltöne fürs Handy bei >> http://sms.yahoo.de >> > >> > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Naktalk at naks.com >> mailinglist >> > To maintain your account please go here: >> > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > >> > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >> > >> >> > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com >> mailinglist >> To maintain your account please go here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ===== > 'Beides zugleich geht nicht. Man steht entweder auf Beatles oder Stones, > man steht entweder auf Gina Lollobrigida oder auf Sofia Loren. Beides hat > in einem Menschenherzen keinen Platz. Das ist wie St. Pauli und HSV.' > (Harry Rowohlt) > > __________________________________________________________________ > > Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de > Logos und Klingeltöne fürs Handy bei http://sms.yahoo.de > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Jun 17 18:00:47 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 23:00:47 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX: 'auto azimuth alignment' plate wanted References: <20030617110504.85090.qmail@web13506.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000a01c334e9$b916a840$1f299bca@smarzuki> Hi Jens, I saw a 680 azimuth plate with paint completely removed so it looks shiny and 'believably original'. If you can remove the paint cleanly maybe you'd like to polish the plate and see how it looks before re-applying black paint. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Jens-M. Arndt To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 6:05 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680ZX: 'auto azimuth alignment' plate wanted Wouter, thanks a lot. I'll follow your advice. It really doesn't make sense to look for a parts unit just for this small plate worth only a few cents... jens --- Wouter Heijke schrieb: > Hi Jens, > > Getting one seems difficult to me, or someone must > have a parts-unit... > But,what i've done for covers of several Naks is > take-off all the paint > (use some chemical paint remover for it) and then > spray the cover again > with several layers of paint... From timbarrett at cox.net Tue Jun 17 18:09:01 2003 From: timbarrett at cox.net (timbarrett at cox.net) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 12:09:01 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX: 'auto azimuth alignment' plate wanted In-Reply-To: <000a01c334e9$b916a840$1f299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3EEF04DD.32544.5DDF6EE@localhost> Jens- I've got a 680ZX which may end up being a parts machine some day. It has what appear to be terminal VU meter problems, and I suspect that it may have too much wear on the record head, but this is only a suspicion which has not been verified yet. Since it's an extra machine at this point I've not really forced myself to sit down and try to fix it properly. The transport is fine. If I decide to part it out, the azimuth screw cover plate will become available. Tim On 17 Jun 2003 at 23:00, Salim Marzuki wrote: Date sent: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 23:00:47 +0700 From: Salim Marzuki Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680ZX: 'auto azimuth alignment' plate wanted To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Send reply to: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Hi Jens, > > I saw a 680 azimuth plate with paint completely removed so it looks > shiny and 'believably original'. If you can remove the paint cleanly > maybe you'd like to polish the plate and see how it looks before > re-applying black paint. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jens-M. Arndt > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 6:05 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680ZX: 'auto azimuth alignment' plate wanted > > > Wouter, > > thanks a lot. > > I'll follow your advice. It really doesn't make sense > to look for a parts unit just for this small plate > worth only a few cents... > > jens > > > > > --- Wouter Heijke schrieb: > Hi > Jens, > > > > Getting one seems difficult to me, or someone must > > have a parts-unit... > > But,what i've done for covers of several Naks is > > take-off all the paint > > (use some chemical paint remover for it) and then > > spray the cover again > > with several layers of paint... > > > ========-------------------------------------------------------------- > ----========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========-------------------------------------------------------------- > ----========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Tue Jun 17 18:23:30 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 18:23:30 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX: 'auto azimuth alignment' plate wanted References: <20030617110504.85090.qmail@web13506.mail.yahoo.com> <000a01c334e9$b916a840$1f299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3EEF4081.59B83A9@xs4all.nl> Sounds interesting! If you do this Jens please supply us with a picture if you have a digital camera! Wouter ps. I have a weak spot for the 680ZX ;-) Salim Marzuki wrote: > Hi Jens, > > I saw a 680 azimuth plate with paint completely removed so it looks shiny > and 'believably original'. If you can remove the paint cleanly maybe you'd > like to polish the plate and see how it looks before re-applying black > paint. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jens-M. Arndt > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 6:05 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680ZX: 'auto azimuth alignment' plate wanted > > Wouter, > > thanks a lot. > > I'll follow your advice. It really doesn't make sense > to look for a parts unit just for this small plate > worth only a few cents... > > jens > > --- Wouter Heijke schrieb: > Hi > Jens, > > > > Getting one seems difficult to me, or someone must > > have a parts-unit... > > But,what i've done for covers of several Naks is > > take-off all the paint > > (use some chemical paint remover for it) and then > > spray the cover again > > with several layers of paint... > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Jun 17 23:17:15 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 17:17:15 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Tascam 112 - Michael References: <20030616155036.3260.qmail@web40412.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3EEF855B.12ED5314@rcn.com> Scott Johnson wrote: > > The only major problem I had with them > was the stupid pitch control. Almost 50% of them had > bad pots. Scott, I have a pitch control pot from an MR-1 that I'll be happy to sell. If interested, make an offer. Have a nice day, -- Ron From wdrewes at iafrica.com Wed Jun 18 22:25:15 2003 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wdrewes) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 22:25:15 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] VU meters and Face plates for Naks Message-ID: <000701c335d7$be76bfc0$2a241ec4@private> German eBay has quite an interesting selection of VU meters (new) and face plates for various decks.I have not got my service manual for the 550(it is being scanned amongst others for Wouter) but some of the' Aussteuerungs Instrumente' (VU meters) look as if they they could be for the very topical 550.If your 300BX has a scratched face plate,here is your chance to get a brand spanking new one(Fronttastplatte).The auctions come to an end in approx 3 days (or less )time.The seller apparently having a stock disposal. Walter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Jun 19 01:02:28 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 00:02:28 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 550 .... on eBay ... In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20030617015633.00a95b30@in.virgilio.it> Message-ID: <000201c335ed$b0a301e0$9a824c51@oemcomputer> Fabulous, Ezio! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ezio Sent: 17 June 2003 01:02 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] 550 .... on eBay ... Dearest Kent, I've been lucky during that auction ... anyhow there is a blossoming of 550 on eBay . Most of them (I guess ) are needing a good refurbishment , but mainly still working . Finally I can really think to produce some cassettes then CDs of my son's little band ... and I am thinking to produce also a couple of bootleg seen that R.E.M. and Simply Red are going to take concerts here in the mainland of Venice . What about to make a fall edition of marathon tapes based on those concerts ? Would you guys like it ? ... I love R.E.M. and so for Simply Red ... and God willing they could be ''taped'' with the 550 + Audio Technica stereo mic (9400) + blended with a Tascam 420 (Nak 300 ??? ) Would you like the idea ? Ciao Ezio At 10.31 16/06/03 -0500, you wrote: Ezio, Since my home connection was acting up, as usual, I could not even access eBay to bid any more on this item. Would not have bid you up any way. CONGRATULATIONS! What a great deal, especially if the case is in pretty good shape on the 550 you already have. Rest assured, you will appreciate the original shoulder strap. It is made from seat-belt webbing and is very comfortable. Kent >>> ezio.lucenti2 at virgilio.it 06/15/03 02:09PM >>> WON ! .... he he he he he he ----- happy now ! Sincerely Ezio Lucenti ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site http://www.lucenti.com My pages about digital photography --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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The 400hz test tone works great i.e. the recorded 400hz tone at 0 cal point in both channel matched exactly the source 400 hz tone signal . The strange thing is when you record from the line level everything works great both channel are recorded great! the NACC system works great. If some kind soul has the answer has to why the deck is not recording the 15khz bias test signal in calibration in the left channel will be greatly appreciated! if there is a potentiometer that can be turned inside the deck to make it record the signal which might have gone out of adjustment over the years, please let me know! Also as mentioned the 15 khz bias test signal at source position is one bar above the zero cal point on the vu meter is this normal or is it suppose to be zero cal point on both the left/right vu meter display as the 400 hz test signal shows at source position of the tape/source monitor switch. I DONOT! HAVE THE SERVICE MANUAL FOR THE DRAGON CASSETTE DECK IF SOME KIND SOUL CAN SEND JUST THE SCHEMATIC DIAGRAM WITH MEASUREMENT OR THE PAGE FROM THE MANUAL THAT DEAL WITH THE PROBLEM I HAVE DESCRIBED ABOVE WITH BE GREATLY APPRECIATED AS WILL BE A PROMPT REPLY!! THANKS GUYS! With Best Regards! Ali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dwinwood at scu.edu.au Thu Jun 19 03:23:01 2003 From: dwinwood at scu.edu.au (Dean Winwood) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 11:23:01 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] 670zx manuals Message-ID: <912D4EDA-A1F4-11D7-BC8A-0003937D6162@scu.edu.au> 670ZX Hey folks I am the proud (but virgin) owner of a 670ZX bought from EBAY Australia for about $300 Australian (approx $200US) . The mechanism works but the deck has no output due to (according to the previous owner) a fused circuit which has blown and can be prepared reasonably easily. I believe that is all that is wrong and hope I have a good buy. My problem is that I have a excellent repair tech available who has done some Nak work with a company he was with before. He could do the work but he doesn't have Nak user or service/repair manuals available to him and he doesn't want to buy them due to the lack of repeat work. I can't afford to buy them and even if I could I don't know where I would get them here in Australia at short notice. So the upshot is does anyone have a pdf version of the 670ZX manuals that I could access in some way - from a web address maybe Cheers Dean Winwood E-MAIL...........dwinwood at scu.edu.au ------------------------------------------------------ Religion is Humanity grasping after GOD, The Gospel is GOD reaching out to Humanity (John 3:16) ------------------------------------------------------ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 1195 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ti at amb.org Thu Jun 19 05:29:21 2003 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 20:29:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon calibration stuff In-Reply-To: <1f0.b55547f.2c225071@aol.com> from "BOEING747600@aol.com" at Jun 18, 2003 07:32:01 PM Message-ID: <200306190329.DAA03186@amb.org> BOEING747600 at aol.com writes: > HI ! Fellow Nakamichi Fans! I have Nakamichi Dragon Cassette Deck in > mint condition except that when you try to adjust the bias setting for any tape > be it a EX, SX or ZX when the machine is recording the 15Khz bias test signal > the left channel bias reads zero!! the right channel bias setting works great > and can be adjusted very well! also when you switch the tape monitior switch > to source to monitior the bias test signal source the peak meters shows one > bar above zero cal point, is this suppose to be this way?!! The 400hz test > tone works great i.e. the recorded 400hz tone at 0 cal point in both channel > matched exactly the source 400 hz tone signal . > ... On my Dragon, both test tones read exactly at 0dB on the meters (both channels) when in calibration mode and the monitor switch is set to Source. For the one bar meter reading discrepancy between channels, either you have a miscalibrated meter, or perhaps the tone generator output level needs adjustment. The absense of the 15KHz tone on the left channel may be due to a bad internal connection or failed circuit (maybe a symptom of the range cap disease?). -Ti Nakamichi Dragon -- /// Ti Kan Vorsprung durch Technik /// AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA /// ti at amb.org ////// http://www.amb.org/ti/ /// From hardouin at intnet.mu Thu Jun 19 07:15:20 2003 From: hardouin at intnet.mu (Christian Hardouin) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 09:15:20 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] TD700 MK1 Message-ID: <001201c33621$c7bbcc20$0101a8c0@darwin> Hi Friends, I have been looking deperately for spare parts for my tappe deck Could any one give me any clue wher to get them .I have been a Nakamichi for the last 25 years inspite that the Cd is definitely the most practical audio medium today.Thanks to all. Chris Pse email me at hardouin at intnet.mu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Thu Jun 19 20:23:15 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 23:53:15 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] PLEASE HELP! 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Name: not available URL: From Dougdeck at aol.com Fri Jun 20 07:00:01 2003 From: Dougdeck at aol.com (Dougdeck at aol.com) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 01:00:01 EDT Subject: [naktalk] nakmichi pa-7 amps Message-ID: <54.13d75647.2c23eed1@aol.com> hello everyone! tring to find out more info on the nak pa-7 amps (pa-7,pa-7mark2,pa-7a what is the difference in the different models of them? different electronics? more output?years of production?which is considered best? does anyone now any sites i can find more info,reviews?please help! thanks! Doug Deck dougdeck at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From samithas at srilankan.aero Fri Jun 20 07:01:28 2003 From: samithas at srilankan.aero (Samitha Samaraweera) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 11:01:28 +0600 Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX Message-ID: <9E6E7D6C4D6BF545A83AF14F0E9D3200BA4AC5@ULCAKMBXADMC3.srilankan.slaroot> Dear NAKS, Recently I received a Nak 682ZX. The unit is running at a higher than the normal speed. So the music is distorted. I checked the speed switch at both settings, there is no change in the speed. Is this a known problem? I thought that its the switch but haven't removed the unit to see what it is. Pls be kind enough to advice me on the repair. Kind regards to all. Samitha Samaraweera, Sri Lanka(Ceylon) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Fri Jun 20 12:28:46 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 20:28:46 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0220209B@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Samitha. Does the unit remain at the same high speed if you flick the switch either way? Could be the pitch control knob (maybe). Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Samitha Samaraweera [mailto:samithas at srilankan.aero] Sent: Friday, 20 June 2003 3:01 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX Dear NAKS, Recently I received a Nak 682ZX. The unit is running at a higher than the normal speed. So the music is distorted. I checked the speed switch at both settings, there is no change in the speed. Is this a known problem? I thought that its the switch but haven't removed the unit to see what it is. Pls be kind enough to advice me on the repair. Kind regards to all. Samitha Samaraweera, Sri Lanka(Ceylon) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Fri Jun 20 12:45:54 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 20:45:54 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] 670zx manuals Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0220209D@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Dean. I have a copy of the 680ZX service manual, it's almost identical except for the different meters and the fact it's a two speed machine. Apart from these minor details there should not be much difference. The service manuals are in pdf format, there are 5 files in total and each roughly have a size of 1.5 - 2.8 meg, can your e-mail account take that much load? Regards Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Dean Winwood [mailto:dwinwood at scu.edu.au] Sent: Thursday, 19 June 2003 11:23 To: Naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] 670zx manuals 670ZX Hey folks I am the proud (but virgin) owner of a 670ZX bought from EBAY Australia for about $300 Australian (approx $200US) . The mechanism works but the deck has no output due to (according to the previous owner) a fused circuit which has blown and can be prepared reasonably easily. I believe that is all that is wrong and hope I have a good buy. My problem is that I have a excellent repair tech available who has done some Nak work with a company he was with before. He could do the work but he doesn't have Nak user or service/repair manuals available to him and he doesn't want to buy them due to the lack of repeat work. I can't afford to buy them and even if I could I don't know where I would get them here in Australia at short notice. So the upshot is does anyone have a pdf version of the 670ZX manuals that I could access in some way - from a web address maybe Cheers Dean Winwood E-MAIL...........dwinwood at scu.edu.au ------------------------------------------------------ Religion is Humanity grasping after GOD, The Gospel is GOD reaching out to Humanity (John 3:16) ------------------------------------------------------ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marcdenis at iquebec.com Fri Jun 20 12:53:24 2003 From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 06:53:24 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] nakmichi pa-7 amps In-Reply-To: <54.13d75647.2c23eed1@aol.com> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20030620060037.038c3f00@pop.iquebec.com> Doug, PA-7A is, performance wise, the same as PA-7. At some point, Nakamichi added suffixes "A" for America and "E" for Europe to some model designations partly to help differentiate gray marketed goods from legitimate ones in certain markets. Performance of the product is the same but there may be differences with regards to AC line voltages supported and compliance with local electrical safety standards (e.g. "UL"). Some non "A" products were legitimately sold in Canada for a significant period of time before Nakamichi standardized on "A" versions for both USA and Canada. Therefore, if you are looking at a non "A" version that has a blue "CSA" (Canadian Standards Association) or orange "Ontario Hydro" sticker on it, it should be pretty much the same as the "A" version except for the faceplate. Mk II is the improved version. I don't have the exact info off hand but I seem to remember it had a somewhat beefier power supply to prevent it from shutting down when driving more complex speaker loads. Difference in performance between original and Mk II versions was much more substantial for the smaller PA-5 than for PA-7. PA-5 was also cosmetically upgraded (PA-7 style "handles" added) when moved to Mk II version while PA-7 remained the same. I hope this helps. Cheers! -Marc At 01:00 2003/06/20 -0400, you wrote: >hello everyone! tring to find out more info on the nak pa-7 amps >(pa-7,pa-7mark2,pa-7a what is the difference in the different models of >them? different electronics? more output?years of production?which is >considered best? does anyone now any sites i can find more >info,reviews?please help! >thanks! >Doug Deck >dougdeck at aol.com >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri Jun 20 13:42:04 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 13:42:04 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] Register your Nak now! Message-ID: <11457.212.78.179.234.1056109324.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Hi All, As a result of the serial number discussion recently i've added a registration form to the site! http://www.naks.com/register/ It's a bare-bones system right now since i'm working on the new site and don't want to wast my time on the old legacy scripts where this one is based on, but i was so intrigued by this registering idea that i decided to wait no longer and start to collect the information asap! The big downside of this form is that you can add one-deck at a time, but if you use the 'back' button after registering then you can alter the information and submit another deck just as quick... I hope everyone starts collecting their serial numbers, production years and old bills and then soon we can start taking conclusions! Next step i'm working on is a script to show the numbers of a certain series with the known production years. So if you are a first owner try to find your bill when you bought your Nak, it is also valuable for determining age of other Naks! Enjoy, Wouter From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Jun 20 15:09:07 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 09:09:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Register your Nak now! References: <11457.212.78.179.234.1056109324.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <3EF30773.43F898C0@rcn.com> Wouter Heijke wrote: > > Hi All, > > As a result of the serial number discussion recently i've added a > registration form to the site! > > http://www.naks.com/register/ > > It's a bare-bones system right now since i'm working on the new site and > don't want to wast my time on the old legacy scripts where this one is > based on, but i was so intrigued by this registering idea that i decided > to wait no longer and start to collect the information asap! > > The big downside of this form is that you can add one-deck at a time, but > if you use the 'back' button after registering then you can alter the > information and submit another deck just as quick... > > I hope everyone starts collecting their serial numbers, production years > and old bills and then soon we can start taking conclusions! > > Next step i'm working on is a script to show the numbers of a certain > series with the known production years. So if you are a first owner try to > find your bill when you bought your Nak, it is also valuable for > determining age of other Naks! > > Enjoy, > > Wouter Great idea, Wouter. I do have two comments... First, I think it would make sense to register not only the production year, but also the production quarter (that also appears on the blue sticker). Second, in the 'Where did you get it' list, you may wish to include 'Bought through classified ad'. Not everyone buys exclusively through auctions. -- Ron From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri Jun 20 15:20:20 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 15:20:20 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] Register your Nak now! In-Reply-To: <3EF30773.43F898C0@rcn.com> References: <11457.212.78.179.234.1056109324.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <3EF30773.43F898C0@rcn.com> Message-ID: <10465.212.78.179.234.1056115220.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Thanks for your input Ron! The production quarter i will add later today, the 'Bought through classified ad' is already there! Wouter > Wouter Heijke wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> >> As a result of the serial number discussion recently i've added a >> registration form to the site! >> >> http://www.naks.com/register/ >> >> It's a bare-bones system right now since i'm working on the new site and >> don't want to wast my time on the old legacy scripts where this one is >> based on, but i was so intrigued by this registering idea that i decided >> to wait no longer and start to collect the information asap! >> >> The big downside of this form is that you can add one-deck at a time, >> but >> if you use the 'back' button after registering then you can alter the >> information and submit another deck just as quick... >> >> I hope everyone starts collecting their serial numbers, production years >> and old bills and then soon we can start taking conclusions! >> >> Next step i'm working on is a script to show the numbers of a certain >> series with the known production years. So if you are a first owner try >> to >> find your bill when you bought your Nak, it is also valuable for >> determining age of other Naks! >> >> Enjoy, >> >> Wouter > > Great idea, Wouter. I do have two comments... First, I think > it would make sense to register not only the production year, > but also the production quarter (that also appears on the blue > sticker). Second, in the 'Where did you get it' list, you may > wish to include 'Bought through classified ad'. Not everyone > buys exclusively through auctions. > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > From radioman at iname.com Fri Jun 20 21:47:44 2003 From: radioman at iname.com (Horacio Rodriguez) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 14:47:44 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] I'm new on the list, hello from Argentina Message-ID: <20030620194744.87253.qmail@mail.com> Hi everyone from Argentina. After 4 years looking for a good Nakamichi 660,670 or 680 ZX deck, I finally found a 660ZX in good shape here in my country. (Still Looking for a 682ZX). Being an Electrical Engineer, I would like to service that glorious deck myself, could anyone be so kind to give me some directions to obtain a copy of the service manual of those decks. thanks in advance. -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup CareerBuilder.com has over 400,000 jobs. Be smarter about your job search http://corp.mail.com/careers From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Jun 20 22:32:16 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 21:32:16 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] I'm new on the list, hello from Argentina In-Reply-To: <20030620194744.87253.qmail@mail.com> Message-ID: <003301c3376b$0a0c1c20$ed66893e@oemcomputer> Congratulations with your 660ZX! This is one deck I have heard very little mention of ... I wonder if it is fairly unusual? Graham > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Horacio Rodriguez > Sent: 20 June 2003 20:48 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] I'm new on the list, hello from Argentina > > > Hi everyone from Argentina. > > After 4 years looking for a good Nakamichi 660,670 or 680 ZX deck, > I finally found a 660ZX in good shape here in my country. (Still > Looking for a 682ZX). > > Being an Electrical Engineer, I would like to service that glorious deck > myself, could anyone be so kind to give me some directions to obtain > a copy of the service manual of those decks. > > thanks in advance. > > -- > __________________________________________________________ > Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com > http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup > > CareerBuilder.com has over 400,000 jobs. Be smarter about your job search > http://corp.mail.com/careers > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.489 / Virus Database: 288 - Release Date: 10/06/03 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.489 / Virus Database: 288 - Release Date: 10/06/03 From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri Jun 20 23:30:23 2003 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 14:30:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] I'm new on the list, hello from Argentina In-Reply-To: <20030620194744.87253.qmail@mail.com> Message-ID: <20030620213023.91703.qmail@web40405.mail.yahoo.com> I have the service manual for your unit. It's a little beat up, but, still perfectly readable. If there are certain sections you need right away I can scan them and send them to you in the next few days. I believe it is very similar to the 680ZX which might be available from the Naks.com FTP site. Scott J. --- Horacio Rodriguez wrote: > Hi everyone from Argentina. > > After 4 years looking for a good Nakamichi 660,670 > or 680 ZX deck, > I finally found a 660ZX in good shape here in my > country. (Still > Looking for a 682ZX). > > Being an Electrical Engineer, I would like to > service that glorious deck > myself, could anyone be so kind to give me some > directions to obtain > a copy of the service manual of those decks. > > thanks in advance. > > -- > __________________________________________________________ > Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at > Mail.com > http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup > > CareerBuilder.com has over 400,000 jobs. Be smarter > about your job search > http://corp.mail.com/careers > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From BDyke at cris.com Sat Jun 21 09:47:47 2003 From: BDyke at cris.com (Brian Dyke) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 02:47:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sony TC-D5M Repair References: <28.3876874e.2bfdfe66@aol.com> <016101c3205a$c693b420$2a3442cf@steve> Message-ID: <00cf01c337c9$6a796280$194dfea9@0024530592> Hi Stephen, My Sony TC-D5M is on it's last legs. Do you service this deck? Intermittently when in record mode, it will slow down to about half speed. It seems to happen less often when being run on AC than on batteries, and when placed vertically instead of horizontally. It never happens when in Play, although I don't Play very much. And recently, I've been getting level spikes when I flip the tape (I hold the record button down when switching tapes so that the signal doesn't cut out). Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 7:07 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] How to clean indicator panel > I've found the best plastic polish is creme metal polish. The two I've used > are called "Pol"(from a jewelry supply store) & "Maas"(from a local > drugstore). Toothpaste also does a pretty good job. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer > Talking Dog Transducer Company > http://stephensank.com > 5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] > 505-332-0336 > Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer > Payments preferred through Paypal.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 4:20 AM > Subject: [naktalk] How to clean indicator panel > > > > I was wondering if anyone knew how to get rid of light scratches on the > > plastic indicator panel? > > > > Thanks, > > Anthony > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ---- > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > From BDyke at cris.com Sat Jun 21 09:49:13 2003 From: BDyke at cris.com (Brian Dyke) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 02:49:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] References: <28.3876874e.2bfdfe66@aol.com> <016101c3205a$c693b420$2a3442cf@steve> Message-ID: <00d701c337c9$9cb0ea20$194dfea9@0024530592> That was meant as a private email. Sorry. Brian From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Jun 23 11:24:22 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 11:24:22 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] 660ZX & 681ZX Message-ID: <11010.212.78.179.234.1056360262.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> The recent post about our newly member and his 660ZX and Grahams post made me wonder if this really is a rare unit. I also own one and was told by someone that friend who found it for me in a small shop was lucky since Transtec (the Dutch distributer) didn't sell these! So... Is it rare? I don't see so many on ebay, just like the 681ZX, it has a lot in commin with this unit since they both lack tape-monitoring. Like the 681ZX has his big brother the 682ZX the 660ZX has the 670ZX which also has the 'full options'. But it's a sweet deck, the same looks as the other 'fluoricent' brothers but with the traditional VU meters for those who like these more. Wouter From mwhipple at charter.net Mon Jun 23 14:19:32 2003 From: mwhipple at charter.net (Matthew Whipple) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 08:19:32 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Register your Nak now! References: <11457.212.78.179.234.1056109324.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <014301c33981$b3e8aac0$2adc6799@nat67369> What is meant by "Pre-Serial Code:"? The help button doesn't work and I'm not sure. Thanks, Matt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wouter Heijke" To: Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 7:42 AM Subject: [naktalk] Register your Nak now! > Hi All, > > As a result of the serial number discussion recently i've added a > registration form to the site! > > http://www.naks.com/register/ > > It's a bare-bones system right now since i'm working on the new site and > don't want to wast my time on the old legacy scripts where this one is > based on, but i was so intrigued by this registering idea that i decided > to wait no longer and start to collect the information asap! > > The big downside of this form is that you can add one-deck at a time, but > if you use the 'back' button after registering then you can alter the > information and submit another deck just as quick... > > I hope everyone starts collecting their serial numbers, production years > and old bills and then soon we can start taking conclusions! > > Next step i'm working on is a script to show the numbers of a certain > series with the known production years. So if you are a first owner try to > find your bill when you bought your Nak, it is also valuable for > determining age of other Naks! > > Enjoy, > > Wouter > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Jun 23 14:31:46 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 14:31:46 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] Register your Nak now! In-Reply-To: <014301c33981$b3e8aac0$2adc6799@nat67369> References: <11457.212.78.179.234.1056109324.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <014301c33981$b3e8aac0$2adc6799@nat67369> Message-ID: <4163.212.78.179.234.1056371506.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Please try again Matthew, i think there was a small error on the page... But the code is the small code printed on the serial number plate and usually starts with a letter and a 3 number digit where the serial number has 5 digits... But this is for most 80's and 90's Naks and not for the naks from early 70's. Wouter > What is meant by "Pre-Serial Code:"? The help button doesn't work and I'm > not sure. > > Thanks, > Matt > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wouter Heijke" > To: > Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 7:42 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Register your Nak now! > > >> Hi All, >> >> As a result of the serial number discussion recently i've added a >> registration form to the site! >> >> http://www.naks.com/register/ >> >> It's a bare-bones system right now since i'm working on the new site and >> don't want to wast my time on the old legacy scripts where this one is >> based on, but i was so intrigued by this registering idea that i decided >> to wait no longer and start to collect the information asap! >> >> The big downside of this form is that you can add one-deck at a time, >> but >> if you use the 'back' button after registering then you can alter the >> information and submit another deck just as quick... >> >> I hope everyone starts collecting their serial numbers, production years >> and old bills and then soon we can start taking conclusions! >> >> Next step i'm working on is a script to show the numbers of a certain >> series with the known production years. So if you are a first owner try >> to >> find your bill when you bought your Nak, it is also valuable for >> determining age of other Naks! >> >> Enjoy, >> >> Wouter >> > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > From mwhipple at charter.net Mon Jun 23 14:38:39 2003 From: mwhipple at charter.net (Matthew Whipple) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 08:38:39 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Register your Nak now! References: <11457.212.78.179.234.1056109324.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <014301c33981$b3e8aac0$2adc6799@nat67369> <4163.212.78.179.234.1056371506.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <014b01c33984$61370d50$2adc6799@nat67369> Thanks, Wouter. That's what I thought it was. Matt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wouter Heijke" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 8:31 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Register your Nak now! > Please try again Matthew, i think there was a small error on the page... > But the code is the small code printed on the serial number plate and > usually starts with a letter and a 3 number digit where the serial number > has 5 digits... But this is for most 80's and 90's Naks and not for the > naks from early 70's. > > Wouter > > > What is meant by "Pre-Serial Code:"? The help button doesn't work and I'm > > not sure. > > > > Thanks, > > Matt > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Wouter Heijke" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 7:42 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] Register your Nak now! > > > > > >> Hi All, > >> > >> As a result of the serial number discussion recently i've added a > >> registration form to the site! > >> > >> http://www.naks.com/register/ > >> > >> It's a bare-bones system right now since i'm working on the new site and > >> don't want to wast my time on the old legacy scripts where this one is > >> based on, but i was so intrigued by this registering idea that i decided > >> to wait no longer and start to collect the information asap! > >> > >> The big downside of this form is that you can add one-deck at a time, > >> but > >> if you use the 'back' button after registering then you can alter the > >> information and submit another deck just as quick... > >> > >> I hope everyone starts collecting their serial numbers, production years > >> and old bills and then soon we can start taking conclusions! > >> > >> Next step i'm working on is a script to show the numbers of a certain > >> series with the known production years. So if you are a first owner try > >> to > >> find your bill when you bought your Nak, it is also valuable for > >> determining age of other Naks! > >> > >> Enjoy, > >> > >> Wouter > >> > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Jun 23 15:02:29 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 09:02:29 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Register your Nak now! References: <11457.212.78.179.234.1056109324.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <3EF6FA65.98862293@rcn.com> OK, I have registered my CR-7. Now, how do I see my (and others') registrations? -- Ron From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Jun 23 15:13:41 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 15:13:41 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] Register your Nak now! In-Reply-To: <3EF6FA65.98862293@rcn.com> References: <11457.212.78.179.234.1056109324.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <3EF6FA65.98862293@rcn.com> Message-ID: <21412.212.78.179.234.1056374021.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Hi Ron, I'm working on a script for showing the entries like in the discussion about production years recently. But this starts to get useful if more people register CR-7's and more important people owning US sold Naks or (first-) owners with a bill who can determine when their unit was sold. Now about 15 people registered various Naks and (surprisingly) Dragon is the more popular Nak now with 6 entries!! Wouter > > OK, I have registered my CR-7. Now, how do I see my (and others') > registrations? > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > From Andy.M.Dundis at ue-corp.com Mon Jun 23 15:55:10 2003 From: Andy.M.Dundis at ue-corp.com (Dundis, Andy) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 08:55:10 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 660ZX & 681ZX Message-ID: hello nak'rs i too, belong to the 660zx club. recently 'Sank-tified' unit makes great recordings, i must say. havent seen many others either. been trying to find manuals for this specific model, but so far, no soap. thought perhaps with the 660 owners recent emergance that there might be a forthcoming addition to the ftp site??? hopeful, andy -----Original Message----- From: Wouter Heijke [mailto:wheijke at xs4all.nl] Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 4:24 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] 660ZX & 681ZX The recent post about our newly member and his 660ZX and Grahams post made me wonder if this really is a rare unit. I also own one and was told by someone that friend who found it for me in a small shop was lucky since Transtec (the Dutch distributer) didn't sell these! So... Is it rare? I don't see so many on ebay, just like the 681ZX, it has a lot in commin with this unit since they both lack tape-monitoring. Like the 681ZX has his big brother the 682ZX the 660ZX has the 670ZX which also has the 'full options'. But it's a sweet deck, the same looks as the other 'fluoricent' brothers but with the traditional VU meters for those who like these more. Wouter ----------------------------------------------------------- DISCLAIMER: This e-mail and files transmitted with it are the property of Utility Engineering Corporation and/or its affiliates, are confidential, and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom this e-mail is addressed. If you are not one of the named recipients or otherwise have reason to believe that you have received this message in error, please notify the sender and delete this message immediately from your computer. Any other use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Jun 23 16:01:31 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 16:01:31 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] 660ZX & 681ZX In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6456.212.78.179.234.1056376891.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Hi Andy, welcome to the 660ZX club ;-) I must say that i forgot if i have a manual for my 660ZX, i think i have but never scanned it. There is however a 670ZX manual that covers all you need (just forget about the tape monitor), so what i'll do tonight is check at home for my 660ZX manual and if i don't find it i'll make the 670ZX manual available for you, or any other member of our club if they step forward! Wouter > hello nak'rs > i too, belong to the 660zx club. recently 'Sank-tified' unit makes great > recordings, i must say. havent seen many others either. been trying to > find > manuals for this specific model, but so far, no soap. thought perhaps with > the 660 owners recent emergance that there might be a forthcoming addition > to the ftp site??? > hopeful, > andy > > -----Original Message----- > From: Wouter Heijke [mailto:wheijke at xs4all.nl] > Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 4:24 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] 660ZX & 681ZX > > > The recent post about our newly member and his 660ZX and Grahams post made > me wonder if this really is a rare unit. > I also own one and was told by someone that friend who found it for me in > a small shop was lucky since Transtec (the Dutch distributer) didn't sell > these! > So... Is it rare? I don't see so many on ebay, just like the 681ZX, it has > a lot in commin with this unit since they both lack tape-monitoring. > Like the 681ZX has his big brother the 682ZX the 660ZX has the 670ZX which > also has the 'full options'. > But it's a sweet deck, the same looks as the other 'fluoricent' brothers > but with the traditional VU meters for those who like these more. > > Wouter > > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > DISCLAIMER: > This e-mail and files transmitted with it are the property of Utility > Engineering Corporation and/or its affiliates, are confidential, and are > intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom this > e-mail is addressed. If you are not one of the named recipients or > otherwise have reason to believe that you have received this message in > error, please notify the sender and delete this message immediately from > your computer. Any other use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, > printing or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > From thsinclair at localdial.com Tue Jun 24 00:12:23 2003 From: thsinclair at localdial.com (Sinclair Forrest) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 23:12:23 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 670zx manuals References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0220209D@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <007001c339d4$8616d880$5f8fe2c3@a9u3z8> Hi Tom, I have a 680 and would be very grateful if you could send me a cioy of your 680ZX service manual. Please can you send it to my work e-mail address - sinclair.forrest at careyolsen.com - it will be easier to print it out there as the home printer is playing up. Many thanks. Sinclair ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 11:45 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] 670zx manuals Hi Dean. I have a copy of the 680ZX service manual, it's almost identical except for the different meters and the fact it's a two speed machine. Apart from these minor details there should not be much difference. The service manuals are in pdf format, there are 5 files in total and each roughly have a size of 1.5 - 2.8 meg, can your e-mail account take that much load? Regards Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Dean Winwood [mailto:dwinwood at scu.edu.au] Sent: Thursday, 19 June 2003 11:23 To: Naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] 670zx manuals 670ZX Hey folks I am the proud (but virgin) owner of a 670ZX bought from EBAY Australia for about $300 Australian (approx $200US) . The mechanism works but the deck has no output due to (according to the previous owner) a fused circuit which has blown and can be prepared reasonably easily. I believe that is all that is wrong and hope I have a good buy. My problem is that I have a excellent repair tech available who has done some Nak work with a company he was with before. He could do the work but he doesn't have Nak user or service/repair manuals available to him and he doesn't want to buy them due to the lack of repeat work. I can't afford to buy them and even if I could I don't know where I would get them here in Australia at short notice. So the upshot is does anyone have a pdf version of the 670ZX manuals that I could access in some way - from a web address maybe Cheers Dean Winwood E-MAIL...........dwinwood at scu.edu.au ------------------------------------------------------ Religion is Humanity grasping after GOD, The Gospel is GOD reaching out to Humanity (John 3:16) ------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Jun 24 02:37:22 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 20:37:22 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] FS: Very nice Nakamichi BX-1 Message-ID: <3EF79D42.848F0225@rcn.com> I have for sale a BX-1 in very good condition, both cosmetically and operationally. -- Ron From kjbleus at charter.net Wed Jun 25 01:07:10 2003 From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 18:07:10 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Register your Nak now! (Wouter Heijke) Message-ID: <002801c33aa5$57b6f9d0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6> Wouter, Excellent implementation of the new NakTalker's Audio Component Registry! A new acronymn, NATCR!!! I'm wondering now about what comes out of all this registering and whether this will lead to the plans to reopen the ftp.naks.com archives? Based on the creation of the registry, and a growing membership of Nakker's willing to contribute information to expand the archive, will we soon have the archives reopened for use? I like your idea of a credit system which equates to access. Thoughts & discussion please. Best regards, K.J. Bleus Madison, Wisc USA kjbleus at charter.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 8:23 AM Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 4, Issue 20 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 13:42:04 +0200 (CEST) > From: "Wouter Heijke" > Subject: [naktalk] Register your Nak now! > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > <11457.212.78.179.234.1056109324.squirrel at webmail.xs4all.nl> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > > Hi All, > > As a result of the serial number discussion recently i've added a > registration form to the site! > > http://www.naks.com/register/ > > It's a bare-bones system right now since i'm working on the new site and > don't want to wast my time on the old legacy scripts where this one is > based on, but i was so intrigued by this registering idea that i decided > to wait no longer and start to collect the information asap! > > The big downside of this form is that you can add one-deck at a time, but > if you use the 'back' button after registering then you can alter the > information and submit another deck just as quick... > > I hope everyone starts collecting their serial numbers, production years > and old bills and then soon we can start taking conclusions! > > Next step i'm working on is a script to show the numbers of a certain > series with the known production years. So if you are a first owner try to > find your bill when you bought your Nak, it is also valuable for > determining age of other Naks! > > Enjoy, > > Wouter > > ------------------------------ > > > End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 4, Issue 20 > ************************************** > From wheijke at xs4all.nl Wed Jun 25 08:32:11 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 08:32:11 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Register your Nak now! (Wouter Heijke) References: <002801c33aa5$57b6f9d0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6> Message-ID: <3EF941EB.5215DB9D@xs4all.nl> Thanks Bleus, It's going well, 48 registered 'components' and about 8 with production years... so the information about the age of your product will have to wait until we have more registrants. This is only the beginning of the coupling between the ftp server, that will stay like this, down, but see the product registry as a starting point for future enhancements like downloading information about your registered product like manuals.... Wouter KJ Bleus wrote: > Wouter, > > Excellent implementation of the new NakTalker's Audio Component Registry! A > new acronymn, NATCR!!! > > I'm wondering now about what comes out of all this registering and whether > this will lead to the plans to reopen the ftp.naks.com archives? Based on > the creation of the registry, and a growing membership of Nakker's willing > to contribute information to expand the archive, will we soon have the > archives reopened for use? I like your idea of a credit system which > equates to access. > > Thoughts & discussion please. > > Best regards, > > K.J. Bleus > Madison, Wisc USA > kjbleus at charter.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 8:23 AM > Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 4, Issue 20 > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 13:42:04 +0200 (CEST) > > From: "Wouter Heijke" > > Subject: [naktalk] Register your Nak now! > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Message-ID: > > <11457.212.78.179.234.1056109324.squirrel at webmail.xs4all.nl> > > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > > > > Hi All, > > > > As a result of the serial number discussion recently i've added a > > registration form to the site! > > > > http://www.naks.com/register/ > > > > It's a bare-bones system right now since i'm working on the new site and > > don't want to wast my time on the old legacy scripts where this one is > > based on, but i was so intrigued by this registering idea that i decided > > to wait no longer and start to collect the information asap! > > > > The big downside of this form is that you can add one-deck at a time, but > > if you use the 'back' button after registering then you can alter the > > information and submit another deck just as quick... > > > > I hope everyone starts collecting their serial numbers, production years > > and old bills and then soon we can start taking conclusions! > > > > Next step i'm working on is a script to show the numbers of a certain > > series with the known production years. So if you are a first owner try to > > find your bill when you bought your Nak, it is also valuable for > > determining age of other Naks! > > > > Enjoy, > > > > Wouter > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 4, Issue 20 > > ************************************** > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From n.van.wijnen at home.nl Wed Jun 25 22:21:50 2003 From: n.van.wijnen at home.nl (norman van wijnen) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 22:21:50 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Register your Nak now! (Wouter Heijke) References: <002801c33aa5$57b6f9d0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6> <3EF941EB.5215DB9D@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <000a01c33b57$68c377a0$0200a8c0@CC132114B> Hoi Wouter, volgens mij was het toch de bedoeling van al dat scan werk dat de manuals toegankelijk zouden worden voor alle naktalkers? groetjes Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wouter Heijke" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 8:32 Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Register your Nak now! (Wouter Heijke) > Thanks Bleus, > > It's going well, 48 registered 'components' and about 8 with production years... so the > information about the age of your product will have to wait until we have more > registrants. > > This is only the beginning of the coupling between the ftp server, that will stay like > this, down, but see the product registry as a starting point for future enhancements like > downloading information about your registered product like manuals.... > > Wouter > > KJ Bleus wrote: > > > Wouter, > > > > Excellent implementation of the new NakTalker's Audio Component Registry! A > > new acronymn, NATCR!!! > > > > I'm wondering now about what comes out of all this registering and whether > > this will lead to the plans to reopen the ftp.naks.com archives? Based on > > the creation of the registry, and a growing membership of Nakker's willing > > to contribute information to expand the archive, will we soon have the > > archives reopened for use? I like your idea of a credit system which > > equates to access. > > > > Thoughts & discussion please. > > > > Best regards, > > > > K.J. Bleus > > Madison, Wisc USA > > kjbleus at charter.net > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 8:23 AM > > Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 4, Issue 20 > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > Message: 1 > > > Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 13:42:04 +0200 (CEST) > > > From: "Wouter Heijke" > > > Subject: [naktalk] Register your Nak now! > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Message-ID: > > > <11457.212.78.179.234.1056109324.squirrel at webmail.xs4all.nl> > > > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > As a result of the serial number discussion recently i've added a > > > registration form to the site! > > > > > > http://www.naks.com/register/ > > > > > > It's a bare-bones system right now since i'm working on the new site and > > > don't want to wast my time on the old legacy scripts where this one is > > > based on, but i was so intrigued by this registering idea that i decided > > > to wait no longer and start to collect the information asap! > > > > > > The big downside of this form is that you can add one-deck at a time, but > > > if you use the 'back' button after registering then you can alter the > > > information and submit another deck just as quick... > > > > > > I hope everyone starts collecting their serial numbers, production years > > > and old bills and then soon we can start taking conclusions! > > > > > > Next step i'm working on is a script to show the numbers of a certain > > > series with the known production years. So if you are a first owner try to > > > find your bill when you bought your Nak, it is also valuable for > > > determining age of other Naks! > > > > > > Enjoy, > > > > > > Wouter > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 4, Issue 20 > > > ************************************** > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > From bigbear69 at netzero.net Thu Jun 26 03:05:26 2003 From: bigbear69 at netzero.net (bigbear69) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 18:05:26 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Register your Nak now! (Wouter Heijke) Message-ID: <000001c33b7f$0a35f6e0$554e3542@compaq> I really like what Wouter has done. I registered my 6 Nak decks yesterday but was unable to do the 'sticker' date and time quarter on 3 of my decks simply because it's too much hassle to yank the decks from my enclosed glass door wooden cabinet. Perhaps I can add the missing info at a later date. - Mark Exstedt (Big Bear) -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of KJ Bleus Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 4:07 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: KJ Bleus; Wouter Heijke Subject: [naktalk] Re: Register your Nak now! (Wouter Heijke) Wouter, Excellent implementation of the new NakTalker's Audio Component Registry! A new acronymn, NATCR!!! I'm wondering now about what comes out of all this registering and whether this will lead to the plans to reopen the ftp.naks.com archives? Based on the creation of the registry, and a growing membership of Nakker's willing to contribute information to expand the archive, will we soon have the archives reopened for use? I like your idea of a credit system which equates to access. Thoughts & discussion please. Best regards, K.J. Bleus Madison, Wisc USA kjbleus at charter.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 8:23 AM Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 4, Issue 20 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 13:42:04 +0200 (CEST) > From: "Wouter Heijke" > Subject: [naktalk] Register your Nak now! > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > <11457.212.78.179.234.1056109324.squirrel at webmail.xs4all.nl> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > > Hi All, > > As a result of the serial number discussion recently i've added a > registration form to the site! > > http://www.naks.com/register/ > > It's a bare-bones system right now since i'm working on the new site and > don't want to wast my time on the old legacy scripts where this one is > based on, but i was so intrigued by this registering idea that i decided > to wait no longer and start to collect the information asap! > > The big downside of this form is that you can add one-deck at a time, but > if you use the 'back' button after registering then you can alter the > information and submit another deck just as quick... > > I hope everyone starts collecting their serial numbers, production years > and old bills and then soon we can start taking conclusions! > > Next step i'm working on is a script to show the numbers of a certain > series with the known production years. So if you are a first owner try to > find your bill when you bought your Nak, it is also valuable for > determining age of other Naks! > > Enjoy, > > Wouter From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu Jun 26 10:01:30 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 10:01:30 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] Register your Nak now! (Wouter Heijke) In-Reply-To: <853BBA6262CB66439D283AF23F930792226DF0@comms.finalist.nl> References: <853BBA6262CB66439D283AF23F930792226DF0@comms.finalist.nl> Message-ID: <24602.212.78.179.234.1056614490.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Mark, So when you register any other (product) online or offline you can later on change or add things to your registration? Wouter > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: bigbear69 [mailto:bigbear69 at netzero.net] > Verzonden: Thursday, June 26, 2003 3:05 AM > Aan: naktalk at naks.com > Onderwerp: [naktalk] Register your Nak now! (Wouter Heijke) > > > I really like what Wouter has done. I registered my 6 Nak decks > yesterday but was unable to do the 'sticker' date and time quarter on 3 > of my decks simply because it's too much hassle to yank the decks from > my enclosed glass door wooden cabinet. Perhaps I can add the missing > info at a later date. > - Mark Exstedt (Big Bear) > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf Of KJ Bleus > Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 4:07 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Cc: KJ Bleus; Wouter Heijke > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Register your Nak now! (Wouter Heijke) > > Wouter, > > Excellent implementation of the new NakTalker's Audio Component > Registry! A > new acronymn, NATCR!!! > > I'm wondering now about what comes out of all this registering and > whether > this will lead to the plans to reopen the ftp.naks.com archives? Based > on > the creation of the registry, and a growing membership of Nakker's > willing > to contribute information to expand the archive, will we soon have the > archives reopened for use? I like your idea of a credit system which > equates to access. > > Thoughts & discussion please. > > Best regards, > > K.J. Bleus > Madison, Wisc USA > kjbleus at charter.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 8:23 AM > Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 4, Issue 20 > > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 13:42:04 +0200 (CEST) >> From: "Wouter Heijke" >> Subject: [naktalk] Register your Nak now! >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Message-ID: >> <11457.212.78.179.234.1056109324.squirrel at webmail.xs4all.nl> >> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 >> >> Hi All, >> >> As a result of the serial number discussion recently i've added a >> registration form to the site! >> >> http://www.naks.com/register/ >> >> It's a bare-bones system right now since i'm working on the new site > and >> don't want to wast my time on the old legacy scripts where this one is >> based on, but i was so intrigued by this registering idea that i > decided >> to wait no longer and start to collect the information asap! >> >> The big downside of this form is that you can add one-deck at a time, > but >> if you use the 'back' button after registering then you can alter the >> information and submit another deck just as quick... >> >> I hope everyone starts collecting their serial numbers, production > years >> and old bills and then soon we can start taking conclusions! >> >> Next step i'm working on is a script to show the numbers of a certain >> series with the known production years. So if you are a first owner > try to >> find your bill when you bought your Nak, it is also valuable for >> determining age of other Naks! >> >> Enjoy, >> >> Wouter > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > From ti at amb.org Thu Jun 26 10:11:32 2003 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 01:11:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Register your Nak now! (Wouter Heijke) In-Reply-To: <24602.212.78.179.234.1056614490.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> from "Wouter Heijke" at Jun 26, 2003 10:01:30 AM Message-ID: <200306260811.IAA05248@amb.org> Wouter, While in the case of registering a product with a manufacturer, one cannot change the info once it is submitted; I think an "update" feature would be a very good feature to have for the naks.com registration site. Adding production year and quarter is an example already cited, but it would also be useful to add some fields that the user could update, such as service history, comments, photos, etc. I belong to several car enthusiasts sites and where these sites have member registries, each one has update, delete and search capabilities. This also requires, of course, a user login and password feature to prevent one person from modifying another's entries. -Ti Nakamichi Dragon -- /// Ti Kan Vorsprung durch Technik /// AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA /// ti at amb.org ////// http://www.amb.org/ti/ /// Wouter Heijke writes: > Mark, > > So when you register any other (product) online or offline you can later > on change or add things to your registration? > > Wouter > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > > Van: bigbear69 [mailto:bigbear69 at netzero.net] > > Verzonden: Thursday, June 26, 2003 3:05 AM > > Aan: naktalk at naks.com > > Onderwerp: [naktalk] Register your Nak now! (Wouter Heijke) > > > > > > I really like what Wouter has done. I registered my 6 Nak decks > > yesterday but was unable to do the 'sticker' date and time quarter on 3 > > of my decks simply because it's too much hassle to yank the decks from > > my enclosed glass door wooden cabinet. Perhaps I can add the missing > > info at a later date. > > - Mark Exstedt (Big Bear) From HerbChong at compuserve.com Thu Jun 26 13:41:48 2003 From: HerbChong at compuserve.com (Herb Chong) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 07:41:48 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Register your Nak now! (Wouter Heijke) Message-ID: <200306260742_MC3-1-3EF9-B4B6@compuserve.com> Message text written by Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Mark, So when you register any other (product) online or offline you can later on change or add things to your registration? Wouter< vendor sites usually allow some changes such as contact information to be changed. enthusiasts listing their hobby particulars can allow a lot more. that is purpose, to exchange details of the hobby. Herb.... From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu Jun 26 14:29:34 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 14:29:34 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] Register your Nak now! (Wouter Heijke) In-Reply-To: <200306260742_MC3-1-3EF9-B4B6@compuserve.com> References: <200306260742_MC3-1-3EF9-B4B6@compuserve.com> Message-ID: <4332.212.78.179.234.1056630574.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> I know, and one time the Naks.com world will be this beautiful.... Until then, registration is 'vintage-nakamichi-style'... so collect all information needed to complete the form and then register, and yes one product at a time! Any input to make it more nice is welcome but right now i'll finish the script to show someone his registered product compared to other same products so you can determine it's age. I simply have no time and have to go on with the new stuff and not keep supporting the old legacy... all this registraton stuff is already unplanned! Wouter > Message text written by Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Mark, > > So when you register any other (product) online or offline you can later > on change or add things to your registration? > > Wouter< > > vendor sites usually allow some changes such as contact information to be > changed. enthusiasts listing their hobby particulars can allow a lot more. > that is purpose, to exchange details of the hobby. > > Herb.... > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > From radioman at iname.com Fri Jun 27 02:54:12 2003 From: radioman at iname.com (Horacio Rodriguez) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 19:54:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Hey a lot of 660ZX owners !!! Manuals Message-ID: <20030627005413.80756.qmail@mail.com> Hi I'm the new one with a 660ZX. 1) I do have a Original 660ZX Owner's Manual (User's Manual) I'll scan it and send it to the ftp site, all I need is instructions. Please send me instructions on how do I Upload the manual. PDF or DJVU? 2) Could someone tell me how I can change my suscription to the list from summary to mail to mail behavior? Regards -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sat Jun 28 12:45:19 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 12:45:19 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Hey a lot of 660ZX owners !!! Manuals References: <20030627005413.80756.qmail@mail.com> Message-ID: <3EFD71BF.739A1C1C@xs4all.nl> Hi! 1) Great news you have the original manual! The 660ZX owners club is growing fast ;-) PDF is fine, most manuals are in that form, if you need further help please email me in private. 2) Don't know exactly what you want but you should go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk Then put your email address in the field at the bottom... Good luck, Wouter Horacio Rodriguez wrote: > Hi I'm the new one with a 660ZX. > > 1) I do have a Original 660ZX Owner's Manual (User's Manual) > I'll scan it and send it to the ftp site, all I need is instructions. > Please send me instructions on how do I Upload the manual. > PDF or DJVU? > > 2) Could someone tell me how I can change my suscription to the list > from summary to mail to mail behavior? > > Regards > -- > __________________________________________________________ > Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com > http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sat Jun 28 16:28:56 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 16:28:56 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] New material to download Message-ID: <3EFDA628.3A339B43@xs4all.nl> Supplied by Ron for those who need it: the MR1 ownersmanual: http://www.naks.com/new/MR1_OwnersManual.pdf and made by him a service document for the Sankyo transport: http://www.naks.com/new/Sankyo_Capstan_Motor/SankyoMotorBack.jpg http://www.naks.com/new/Sankyo_Capstan_Motor/SankyoMotorBackAnn.jpg http://www.naks.com/new/Sankyo_Capstan_Motor/SankyoMotorFront.jpg http://www.naks.com/new/Sankyo_Capstan_Motor/SankyoMotorFrontAnn.jpg http://www.naks.com/new/Sankyo_Capstan_Motor/SankyoMotorSch.jpg and this is what Ron told me about these pictures: Nakamichi service manuals show the Sankyo capstan motor schematic, but not its PCB layout. Looks like Makamichi did not intend the board to be repaired, only replaced. Today, of course, we do try to repair, if possible (the ICs are impossible to get). The board is difficult to work on, because resistors and capacitors are ancient surface mount technology and look exactly alike. I found that the PCB layout makes the work much easier. It applies to higher-end BX and CR series, as well as the MR-1. I would include the photos with the service manuals. Enjoy, Wouter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sat Jun 28 17:25:52 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 17:25:52 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 1 vs 8 Message-ID: <3EFDB380.5A10AC53@xs4all.nl> One hour after my post of the newly added MR1 manual and more people have downloaded this manual then registered a MR product!!! The score now is 1 registered MR1 vs 8 downloaded MR1 manuals! So apparently there are 8 more MR1 (or 2?) owners out there that like more to profit then to contribute/share.... registering is too easy, if anyone finds it difficult please let me know. Wouter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Sat Jun 28 20:35:02 2003 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 11:35:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 1 vs 8 In-Reply-To: <3EFDB380.5A10AC53@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <20030628183502.20873.qmail@web40408.mail.yahoo.com> I registered one of my MR-1's already. I will register the other 7 decks soon. Scott J. --- Wouter Heijke wrote: > One hour after my post of the newly added MR1 manual > and more people > have downloaded this manual then registered a MR > product!!! > The score now is > > 1 registered MR1 vs 8 downloaded MR1 manuals! > > So apparently there are 8 more MR1 (or 2?) owners > out there that like > more to profit then to contribute/share.... > registering is too easy, if > anyone finds it difficult please let me know. > > Wouter > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From sandorpistike at hotmail.com Sun Jun 29 10:25:41 2003 From: sandorpistike at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?S=E1ndor_Istv=E1n?=) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 10:25:41 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 1 vs 8 References: <3EFDB380.5A10AC53@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: Hello Wouter, though I did NOT downloaded the MR1-manuals yet, I can understand those who download them only for having them. I will do the same later, if I will have my quicker net-connection back. You must believe me: I do NOT have any MR1... I will download that manual only to have some knowledge of MR1s. Otherwise I will not make any money out of those manuals, because I feel it to be non-ethical. Can you trust me? I am so angry with those guys who make money out of COPIED (not even original) manuals... Regarding the registration of Nak-decks: I will register all of my decks (4), but I still have to get those data, because I am in a moving from house-to house. (sorry, my English...ehhh). I will be happy to be a part of this Nak-community. AND last, but not least at all, many thanks for taking care of this Nak-site, and taking care of all the Nak-owners. Thank you again! Best regards, István (Hungary) ----- Original Message ----- From: Wouter Heijke To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2003 5:25 PM Subject: [naktalk] 1 vs 8 One hour after my post of the newly added MR1 manual and more people have downloaded this manual then registered a MR product!!! The score now is 1 registered MR1 vs 8 downloaded MR1 manuals! So apparently there are 8 more MR1 (or 2?) owners out there that like more to profit then to contribute/share.... registering is too easy, if anyone finds it difficult please let me know. Wouter ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sun Jun 29 13:04:00 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 13:04:00 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 1 vs 8 References: <3EFDB380.5A10AC53@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <3EFEC79F.48D2AE13@xs4all.nl> Hi Sándor, No problem, if you register you download your manuals. It's frustrating to see so many people acting immeadeate on my email for new free download material where registration of products seems to be too much trouble.. If we don't get a lot more registered products, none of us will be able to see the age of their product for instance and i should start to think if the extra efford in productig scripts to show this is worth it. Naktalk has become a 'manual trading place'....maybe it's time for something else... Wouter > Sándor István wrote: > > Hello Wouter, > > though I did NOT downloaded the MR1-manuals yet, I can understand those who download them only for having them. > I will do the same later, if I will have my quicker net-connection back. > You must believe me: I do NOT have any MR1... I will download that manual only to have some knowledge of MR1s. > Otherwise I will not make any money out of those manuals, because I feel it to be non-ethical. Can you trust me? I am so angry with those guys who make money out of COPIED (not even original) manuals... > > Regarding the registration of Nak-decks: I will register all of my decks (4), but I still have to get those data, because I am in a moving from house-to house. (sorry, my English...ehhh). > > I will be happy to be a part of this Nak-community. > > AND last, but not least at all, many thanks for taking care of this Nak-site, and taking care of all the Nak-owners. > > Thank you again! > Best regards, > István > (Hungary) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Wouter Heijke > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2003 5:25 PM > Subject: [naktalk] 1 vs 8 > > One hour after my post of the newly added MR1 manual and more people have downloaded this manual then registered a MR product!!! > The score now is > > 1 registered MR1 vs 8 downloaded MR1 manuals! > > So apparently there are 8 more MR1 (or 2?) owners out there that like more to profit then to contribute/share.... registering is too easy, if anyone finds it difficult please let me know. > > Wouter > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Xartschool at aol.com Sun Jun 29 13:14:51 2003 From: Xartschool at aol.com (Xartschool at aol.com) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 07:14:51 EDT Subject: wrong Email [naktalk] 1 vs 8 Message-ID: Hi, Sorry, I'm not Sandor! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Jun 29 16:19:21 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 10:19:21 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 1 vs 8 References: <3EFDB380.5A10AC53@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <3EFEF569.44EC3FD0@rcn.com> Wouter Heijke wrote: > > One hour after my post of the newly added MR1 manual and more people have > downloaded this manual then registered a MR product!!! > The score now is > > 1 registered MR1 vs 8 downloaded MR1 manuals! > > So apparently there are 8 more MR1 (or 2?) owners out there that like more > to profit then to contribute/share.... registering is too easy, if anyone > finds it difficult please let me know. > > Wouter > At the risk of repeating myself, let me say again that, IMHO, this is OK. Most (all?) of us are here because we share a hobby. We love music, we enjoy cassette recording. Some of us may not be the sharing kind, whereas others actually like to help. Personally, I don't mind that some people will take without reciprocating. We still have a common interest and I will still help them develop that interest if/when they ask and if/when I can. I am not out to correct the world and the people in it, just to support my hobby and have some fun while doing so. IOW: I would encourage everyone to register, it will help others like you in the future. But, if you don't feel like it, that's OK, too. If you have a question, need advice or require a manual that I have, I'll be happy to oblige, no questions asked, no return of the favor demanded. I do hope it's for your enjoyment of out common hobby, but if you choose to sell this gift, that's your business. It is my opinion that the ftp site should be open to all, no password required. Same as the Heathkit, EICO, ReVox and other sites, that will let anyone download a manual. But, you say, some immoral people download a manual only to sell it on ebay? So what? What damage does this do to anyone? Seems to me, it still helps some Nak owners with their hobby (albeit, at a price paid to the thief). To me, the most damage done to the NakTalk community, we have done ourselves. As soon as the ftp channel was closed, people started to suggest how we can shoot ourselves in the foot by making the manuals (not as pristine as we'd like to start with) worse and less useful, by water marking, print prevention, etc. In their frenzy to stop someone from making a fast buck, people have lost site of what the purpose of these manuals was, to start with. The O N L Y way to stop manual pilferage is to make manuals as freely available as possible. By closing the ftp site, we have played right into the thieves' hands. We've done exactly what they would have us do: we made their stolen merchandise more valuable. Smart... real smart. By the same token, if someone has joined the list only to download a manual -- welcome to the fold. If someone doesn't wish to register their deck -- that's OK, we'll still help you, just ask. If someone prefers to lurk, rather than post -- there's nothing wrong with that. (BTW, do not get me wrong. I do appreciate Wouter's tremendous work in scanning, cleaning up files, converting to pdf, posting on his server and hosting the list. I do hope it's still OK to pose my contrasting $0.02? -- Ron From ti at amb.org Sun Jun 29 19:58:16 2003 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 10:58:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 1 vs 8 In-Reply-To: <3EFEF569.44EC3FD0@rcn.com> from "Ron" at Jun 29, 2003 10:19:21 AM Message-ID: <200306291758.RAA28684@amb.org> Ron writes: > ... > It is my opinion that the ftp site should be open to all, no > password required. Same as the Heathkit, EICO, ReVox and other > sites, that will let anyone download a manual. > ... Absolutely agree! In all of the other many enthusiast forums I belong to, information and downloadables are freely shared and no gripes are made against those who take but not return. And it's OK. -Ti Nakamichi Dragon -- /// Ti Kan Vorsprung durch Technik /// AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA /// ti at amb.org ////// http://www.amb.org/ti/ /// From kemppie at studenten.net Mon Jun 30 08:01:35 2003 From: kemppie at studenten.net (Kemppie) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 08:01:35 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 1 vs 8 References: <200306291758.RAA28684@amb.org> Message-ID: <000d01c33ecd$1324c320$0e07c5d5@lk> Hello, I want to look at this site (ftp), whats the address ? Laurens ----- Original Message ----- From: Ti Kan To: Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 7:58 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1 vs 8 > Ron writes: > > ... > > It is my opinion that the ftp site should be open to all, no > > password required. Same as the Heathkit, EICO, ReVox and other > > sites, that will let anyone download a manual. > > ... > > Absolutely agree! In all of the other many enthusiast forums I > belong to, information and downloadables are freely shared and no > gripes are made against those who take but not return. And it's OK. > > -Ti > Nakamichi Dragon > -- > /// Ti Kan Vorsprung durch Technik > /// AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA > /// ti at amb.org > ////// http://www.amb.org/ti/ > /// > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2003\2003-7.txt ************************************************************************ From wheijke at xs4all.nl Tue Jul 1 22:22:55 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 22:22:55 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] new list... Nakmart Message-ID: <3F01ED9F.677CE455@xs4all.nl> A new list for those interested: To quote Bleus the 'father' of NakMart: "How about a separate venue, call that NakMart, ('Mart' suggesting a clearinghouse for activities between subscribers) where anyone who wants to swap, buy, or ask for freebees (like copies of manuals) can solicite their wants with others who tend to want to do those kinds of things." And that is what happened... Hope everyone will find in the new venue the Nak stuff they're looking for. Enjoy, Wouter From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Jul 1 23:00:17 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 17:00:17 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] new list... Nakmart References: <3F01ED9F.677CE455@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <3F01F661.A5A8C28A@rcn.com> Great idea. So, what is it? Is it an email list? If so, how do we subscribe? Is it a web site? If so, what is the URL? -- Ron Wouter Heijke wrote: > > A new list for those interested: > > To quote Bleus the 'father' of NakMart: > > "How about a separate venue, call that NakMart, ('Mart' suggesting a > clearinghouse for activities between subscribers) where anyone who wants > to > swap, buy, or ask for freebees (like copies of manuals) can solicite > their > wants with others who tend to want to do those kinds of things." > > And that is what happened... > > Hope everyone will find in the new venue the Nak stuff they're looking > for. > > Enjoy, > > Wouter > > From wheijke at xs4all.nl Tue Jul 1 23:14:39 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 23:14:39 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] new list... Nakmart References: <3F01ED9F.677CE455@xs4all.nl> <3F01F661.A5A8C28A@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3F01F9BF.A2CB6432@xs4all.nl> Just like Naktalk... email list. Go to the website http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/nakmart Ron wrote: > Great idea. So, what is it? Is it an email list? If so, how do we > subscribe? Is it a web site? If so, what is the URL? > > -- Ron > > Wouter Heijke wrote: > > > > A new list for those interested: > > > > To quote Bleus the 'father' of NakMart: > > > > "How about a separate venue, call that NakMart, ('Mart' suggesting a > > clearinghouse for activities between subscribers) where anyone who wants > > to > > swap, buy, or ask for freebees (like copies of manuals) can solicite > > their > > wants with others who tend to want to do those kinds of things." > > > > And that is what happened... > > > > Hope everyone will find in the new venue the Nak stuff they're looking > > for. > > > > Enjoy, > > > > Wouter > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Wed Jul 2 11:15:33 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 11:15:33 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Changes to naktalk Message-ID: <3F02A2B5.370E3A77@xs4all.nl> Hi All, I've decided to some changes 1) Naktalk is now moderated. What will be rejected? -requests for manuals or other kind of Nakmart type of questions, solution, use Nakmart! -off topic posts if not related to Nakamichi, solution use Audiotalk! So i think most posts will go through. 2) Nakmart is here, also moderated, so join if you are interested in buying / selling or obtaining other stuff like manuals. 3) Posts from me to Naktalk announcing "new" manuals will go only to a selected audience who would be interested in this manual like those who registered a particular deck. Hope this helps clearify things, Wouter From msyoder at border.net Fri Jul 4 20:36:07 2003 From: msyoder at border.net (Michael S. Yoder) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 13:36:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] C-60 and C-90 tape thickness Message-ID: <002201c3425b$2363b520$96f4c1cf@jnorris.ttu.edu> Hi all, If this has been discussed before, I apologize and ask that someone direct me to the appropriate thread or threads. I saw a CR-7 the other day and noticed that it has a button to designate which tape length is to be used. At first I assumed it had to do with the amount of work the takeup/reverse motor would do (weight of tape), but upon thinking about it, and then looking into a little further (TDK web site's cassette spec's), I discovered that the thickness of their C-60 tapes is greater than that of their C-90 tapes. I had always heard that one should avoid using anything lengthier than C-90, such as C-100, because the tape was thinner, but did not realize there was also a difference between 60's and 90's (in TDK's case, the base thickness, not the coating thickness, differs between these two lengths). In practical terms, what differences are there? Breakage or stretching? Bleeding through? As I begin stocking up on TDK SA-X tape for my DR-3, I'd like to know the facts in order to help me determine how many tapes of each length to buy. Thanks. Michael Yoder -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stan.targowski at comcast.net Sat Jul 5 02:07:46 2003 From: stan.targowski at comcast.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 19:07:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] C-60 and C-90 tape thickness In-Reply-To: <002201c3425b$2363b520$96f4c1cf@jnorris.ttu.edu> Message-ID: Michael - the tape length designation on CR7 is used to "calibrate" the "real-time" counter. Once you place the indicator and run the machine for 8 seconds, it can tell you elapsed and remaining time on the tape without the need to fully rewind the tape to the beginning and resetting the counter. The tape length indicator has nothing to do with the thickness of the tape from the perspective that it will use different signal to record or playback. Generally, the thicker the tape, the better. C-60's seem to be stronger, last longer, although with quality tapes, like Maxell and TDK's anything up to C-100 should be fine, especially with a Nakamichi deck. Using C110 or C120 tapes may enhance the risk of breaking the tape as the tape seems to be significantly thinner. I have CR4 and CR2 (plus numerous other brand decks - high end models) and never had a problem with C90 being worse than C60 from longevity perspective. Way back, when I used tape as the main source of music in the car, I tended to use more of C60's it was easier/quicker to fast-forward/rewind to the right song - with CD's and CD-R's this is no longer an issue. Stan -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Michael S. Yoder Sent: Fri, July 04, 2003 1:36 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] C-60 and C-90 tape thickness Hi all, If this has been discussed before, I apologize and ask that someone direct me to the appropriate thread or threads. I saw a CR-7 the other day and noticed that it has a button to designate which tape length is to be used. At first I assumed it had to do with the amount of work the takeup/reverse motor would do (weight of tape), but upon thinking about it, and then looking into a little further (TDK web site's cassette spec's), I discovered that the thickness of their C-60 tapes is greater than that of their C-90 tapes. I had always heard that one should avoid using anything lengthier than C-90, such as C-100, because the tape was thinner, but did not realize there was also a difference between 60's and 90's (in TDK's case, the base thickness, not the coating thickness, differs between these two lengths). In practical terms, what differences are there? Breakage or stretching? Bleeding through? As I begin stocking up on TDK SA-X tape for my DR-3, I'd like to know the facts in order to help me determine how many tapes of each length to buy. Thanks. Michael Yoder -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marcdenis at iquebec.com Sat Jul 5 02:01:59 2003 From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis) Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2003 20:01:59 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] C-60 and C-90 tape thickness In-Reply-To: <002201c3425b$2363b520$96f4c1cf@jnorris.ttu.edu> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20030704195031.02bbf630@pop.iquebec.com> I'll let others comment on the virtues of thicker vs thinner as I personally do not prefer one over the other in a deck that uses a good transport that will prevent jamming. What I'll comment on is the purpose of the tape length switch on the CR-7. By telling the machine which tape length you are using, you help the CR-7 internal computer in estimating the real time position of your cassette tape (e.g. 5 minutes and 47 seconds from the start) after inserting in your machine and playing it for a few seconds. The calculation is surprisingly accurate. It does so by comparing the rotation speeds of the take-up and supply reels and taking into consideration the actual tape length (and the larger hub of some C-46 tapes, the ones that mimic the big open-reel tapes). A nice feature you won't find in any other Nak deck. At 13:36 2003/07/04 -0500, you wrote: >Hi all, > >If this has been discussed before, I apologize and ask that someone direct >me to the appropriate thread or threads. > >I saw a CR-7 the other day and noticed that it has a button to designate >which tape length is to be used. At first I assumed it had to do with the >amount of work the takeup/reverse motor would do (weight of tape), but >upon thinking about it, and then looking into a little further (TDK web >site's cassette spec's), I discovered that the thickness of their C-60 >tapes is greater than that of their C-90 tapes. I had always heard that >one should avoid using anything lengthier than C-90, such as C-100, >because the tape was thinner, but did not realize there was also a >difference between 60's and 90's (in TDK's case, the base thickness, not >the coating thickness, differs between these two lengths). > >In practical terms, what differences are there? Breakage or stretching? >Bleeding through? > >As I begin stocking up on TDK SA-X tape for my DR-3, I'd like to know the >facts in order to help me determine how many tapes of each length to buy. > >Thanks. >Michael Yoder > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Sat Jul 5 10:03:41 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2003 10:03:41 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] C-60 and C-90 tape thickness Message-ID: Hi Michael, I hope you enjoyed the jazz festival in Vancouver weekend before last and of course to all our American friends, hoping you all had a peaceful independence day yesterday. Michael, you're right, the "ribbon/band" thickness is greater with C-60s than C-90s. But, unless something catastrophic happens, I'm certain you will not experience any problems with C-90s due that fact. I know someone who exclusively uses C-60s, partly for that reason, and partly because C60 tapes are marginally easier to drive for the deck. Graham in Liverpool experienced consistent problems with Maxell Metal CD-100 (a budget type IV). These were almost certainly due to the physical properties of the tape. However, the C-90 of that type has given me no problems I have looked at the technical details of several tapes (such as magnetic retentivity, thickness, width, breaking strain, etc) but I must say that for all practical purposes, there is no difference between C-90 and C-60 in normal usage situations. The possible greater liklihood of magnetic print - through has not reared it's head more with 90s over 60s (at least not with me, but I keep recording levels on type 1s and 2s, to peak at around 0dB. As you previously mentioned, you intend to use SA-X and also the pro-version of this tape. This type has a dual (or reverse, I can never remember which) layer of super-avylin which pretty much eliminates print-through altogether. As a matter of interest, I have a couple of TDK D-120s and two or three Sony HF-120. I have not had any issues with them at all. Nor have I had problems with GoldStar's top quality type I (similar to Maxell UD-I) in 110 minute length. Maxell XL-IIS and Maxell MX-S in 100 minute lengths are faultless and get more work than the other longer lengths above. I think the taoe length button on the CR-7 may have something to do with calculating elapsed time and time remaining than capstan and hub torque issues. Incidently, the DR-3 has a built in sensor to revert to "stop" as soon as it senses resistence and this is well below any normal tape's breaking strain. Even though it is a single capstan deck, it is very smooth, gentle and precise Have a great weekend. Regards, Marc Hugo >>> msyoder at border.net 07/04/03 08:36PM >>> Hi all, If this has been discussed before, I apologize and ask that someone direct me to the appropriate thread or threads. I saw a CR-7 the other day and noticed that it has a button to designate which tape length is to be used. At first I assumed it had to do with the amount of work the takeup/reverse motor would do (weight of tape), but upon thinking about it, and then looking into a little further (TDK web site's cassette spec's), I discovered that the thickness of their C-60 tapes is greater than that of their C-90 tapes. I had always heard that one should avoid using anything lengthier than C-90, such as C-100, because the tape was thinner, but did not realize there was also a difference between 60's and 90's (in TDK's case, the base thickness, not the coating thickness, differs between these two lengths). In practical terms, what differences are there? Breakage or stretching? Bleeding through? As I begin stocking up on TDK SA-X tape for my DR-3, I'd like to know the facts in order to help me determine how many tapes of each length to buy. Thanks. Michael Yoder The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From one2rock at vogue.co.uk Sun Jul 6 15:01:29 2003 From: one2rock at vogue.co.uk (Tom) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 14:01:29 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Questions: Deck Suggestions and Nak LX-5 Manuals? Message-ID: <200307061401.AA239272196@vogue.co.uk> Hi, I'm a new member of NAKS.COM I'm considering buying a LX-5, however, I want to make sure that it isn't a nightmare to repair, if something goes bad. After seeing the insides of a Dragon deck a few years ago, I decided to go for a RX-505 instead. I would appreciate any suggestions to what deck I should otherwise buy when prioritising easy repairs and the quick adjustments. By the way, has anybody had the caps in the power supply go bad resulting in low voltage output? Are the manuals for the LX-5 available for download? if yes, how can I download them? I have the manuals for my RX-505E deck which I could upload if necessary. ->Michael ____________________________________________________________________________ **************************************************************************** THIS IS A FREE EMAIL SERVICE PROVIDED TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC BY VOGUE.COM UK AND DOES NOT INDICATE THAT THE SENDER IS IN ANY WAY AFFILIATED TO CONDE NAST OR VOGUE MAGAZINE. CLICK HERE FOR THE SMARTEST ADDRESS IN TOWN: HTTP://WWW.VOGUE.CO.UK/ **************************************************************************** From kannan_s at vsnl.com Mon Jul 7 03:16:15 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 06:46:15 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Questions: Deck Suggestions and Nak LX-5 Manuals? Message-ID: <20030707011615.628D411493B@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Jul 7 00:32:35 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 08:32:35 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Questions: Deck Suggestions and Nak LX-5 Manuals? Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D022020EC@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Michael. To my knowledge the LX-5 is a solid deck (like many Naks), the only thing I'd look for is hardened grease at the capstan arms (look at the capstans when you press play - no tape in the unit of course, and see if both capstans go up to their correct position), and of course the dreaded orange cap disease. The orange cap disease may affect the following in the deck... - Crackling noise when Dolby is switched on. - Not able to record. I know a DJ who is using 2 LX-3's and he swears by them, and he uses these all the time. I hope this helps. Regards, Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Tom [mailto:one2rock at vogue.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, 6 July 2003 11:01 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Questions: Deck Suggestions and Nak LX-5 Manuals? Hi, I'm a new member of NAKS.COM I'm considering buying a LX-5, however, I want to make sure that it isn't a nightmare to repair, if something goes bad. After seeing the insides of a Dragon deck a few years ago, I decided to go for a RX-505 instead. I would appreciate any suggestions to what deck I should otherwise buy when prioritising easy repairs and the quick adjustments. By the way, has anybody had the caps in the power supply go bad resulting in low voltage output? Are the manuals for the LX-5 available for download? if yes, how can I download them? I have the manuals for my RX-505E deck which I could upload if necessary. ->Michael ____________________________________________________________________________ **************************************************************************** THIS IS A FREE EMAIL SERVICE PROVIDED TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC BY VOGUE.COM UK AND DOES NOT INDICATE THAT THE SENDER IS IN ANY WAY AFFILIATED TO CONDE NAST OR VOGUE MAGAZINE. 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David From kannan_s at vsnl.com Mon Jul 7 20:06:04 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 23:36:04 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 581 problems Message-ID: <20030707180604.27F6511496C@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From Dougdeck at aol.com Tue Jul 8 01:54:17 2003 From: Dougdeck at aol.com (Dougdeck at aol.com) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 19:54:17 EDT Subject: [naktalk] nak st-7 Message-ID: <188.1c371737.2c3b6229@aol.com> hi all !!!! first of all i think this is the greatest place on the net! i've been reading past mail for 2 weeks now! wealth of info !!!!!! since my teen age days i've always admired nak equipment. i am a former car audio installer,sometimes i still am! still own td -700 deck i bought almost 16 years ago.still remember the first time i ever heard one powered by ppi amp's, infinity speakers. goose bumps. it plays as good as the day i bought it! late 90's sent it in for service. building up a home system. so far i have aquired bx-2,bx-125,zx-7, looking for zx-9 (hard deck to find aint it?) ca-7a pre amp, (wondering about my choice on it due to stephens post about it) looks good though. two yes 2 black beast pa-7 amps, mb-1s, will be adding rx-505 ,dragon, cr-7a.thought i had one of them on ebay mint in the box. my high bid was $950.00 went for 1200.00 i think.ebay can rip your heart out in the last 5 seconds!!!!!!!!!!!i regestered 2 decks so far. waiting for the zx-7 to arrive. will register as soon as i get it. wish the ftp site was up!!!!!i have to agree about making it free for all to see. make it harder for people to find, others are going to profit from it! make it easy to find, they aint no profit in it!!! but anyhow i got my st-7 tuner in the mail today! the guy advertised it as being mint! not so!!!!some of the display segments are dim!!! anybody out there got any suggestions? new display? can mine be fixed? used one out there? any help would surly be a big help! TIA for your help! PS. wouter please let me in. i would dearly love to have service manuals for my naks please keep up the good work everybody. as you can see from my writing i'd much rather read!!!!!!!!!! Douglas Deck email dougdeck at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ezio.lucenti2 at virgilio.it Tue Jul 8 10:38:47 2003 From: ezio.lucenti2 at virgilio.it (Ezio) Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 10:38:47 +0200 Subject: Fwd: [naktalk] nak st-7 Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030708102852.00ab22f0@in.virgilio.it> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marcdenis at iquebec.com Tue Jul 8 14:30:45 2003 From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis) Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 08:30:45 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] nak st-7 In-Reply-To: <188.1c371737.2c3b6229@aol.com> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20030708082803.02a62100@pop.iquebec.com> Regarding your dim segments on the ST-7 display, this probably means the previous owner was always listening to the same radio station and some segments are worn more than others. You probably need a new display if you wish to correct this. At 19:54 2003/07/07 -0400, you wrote: >hi all !!!! first of all i think this is the greatest place on the net! >i've been reading past mail for 2 weeks now! wealth of info !!!!!! since >my teen age days i've always admired nak equipment. i am a former car >audio installer,sometimes i still am! still own td -700 deck i bought >almost 16 years ago.still remember the first time i ever heard one powered >by ppi amp's, infinity speakers. goose bumps. it plays as good as the day >i bought it! late 90's sent it in for service. building up a home system. >so far i have aquired bx-2,bx-125,zx-7, looking for zx-9 (hard deck to >find aint it?) ca-7a pre amp, (wondering about my choice on it due to >stephens post about it) looks good though. two yes 2 black beast pa-7 >amps, mb-1s, will be adding rx-505 ,dragon, cr-7a.thought i had one of >them on ebay mint in the box. my high bid was $950.00 went for 1200.00 i >think.ebay can rip your heart out in the last 5 seconds!!!!!!!!!!!i >regestered 2 decks so far. waiting for the zx-7 to arrive. will register >as soon as i get it. wish the ftp site was up!!!!!i have to agree about >making it free for all to see. make it harder for people to find, others >are going to profit from it! make it easy to find, they aint no profit in >it!!! but anyhow i got my st-7 tuner in the mail today! the guy advertised >it as being mint! not so!!!!some of the display segments are dim!!! >anybody out there got any suggestions? new display? can mine be fixed? >used one out there? any help would surly be a big help! TIA for your help! >PS. wouter please let me in. i would dearly love to have service manuals >for my naks please keep up the good work everybody. as you can see from my >writing i'd much rather read!!!!!!!!!! >Douglas Deck >email dougdeck at aol.com >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From rjkent at comcast.net Thu Jul 10 04:50:16 2003 From: rjkent at comcast.net (Robert Kent) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 19:50:16 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Registration Message-ID: <000801c3468d$feb677d0$3317e90c@B8142DE8> Hi Wouter, I've managed to register my current 6 Naks (Dragon, CR7A, CR3A, CR2A, Cassette Deck 1, RX303). Unfortunately, my Dragon does not have the date sticker on it, so I could not nail down the quarter of production. How well is the registration project going? Any usefull trends yet? It occured to me that some additional information might be usefull as part of the collection process. First, a simple yes or no question as to whether the registrant has originals or copies of the User or Service Manuals for the deck in question?; and Second, what is the deck being used for? The use of the deck is not that important perhaps, but it might be interesting to see how some of our fellow Nakers are using this beloved technology. I also have a question to throw out to the forum. I noticed in Wouter's excellent NAKS list on the web site, that for the Cassette Deck 1, the remote control is listed as "Present". Mine does not have any provision for a wired or wireless remote, and no mention of it in the Owner's Manual. Does anyone know if some of them came with a remote? Robert Kent -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wontulp at zoomnet.com.au Thu Jul 10 09:47:07 2003 From: wontulp at zoomnet.com.au (David Thompson) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 17:47:07 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 581 problems In-Reply-To: <20030707180604.27F6511496C@webmail.vsnl.com> References: <20030707180604.27F6511496C@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: Dear Kannan Thanks so much for your helpful advice. The stop light button is blown and I should have a replacement tomorrow. I put a larger one in temporarily but couldn't test the volume as the deck will still not play or record - the head base does not rise into place. The cutout bulb in front is working as is the cassette door switch. I have replaced IC405 and various transistors but to no effect. I am getting a capacitor that sits on the control motor to try that. The voltage changes that make the cam move are not happening. If that triggers any other clues I be glad of any more tips. David >Check the stop button light - if it is not working then it is the >culprit for very low volume of playback - probably you may just hear >it! Secondly remove the front cover ( the black plastic one with the >meter etc, taking care to remove the three circular knobs and theose >six switch knobs carefully. Also you can remove the connectors from >Meters/ lights on this front cover by just gently pulling out after >opening the top cover of the deck. When you put it back plug these >connectors gently on the appropriate sockets on the mother board - >you may need to open the bottom plate for this) > >You will see a circular wheel with many holes inside the mechanism >with a bulb in front. If the bulb is not on - ie fused, then this is >the reason why your play to FF/REW functions. Another possibility is >a small microswitch attached on the cassette well door to detect the >door position. If the micro switch is not in correct position, the >deck microprocessor assumes that the door is open! >Then Play / record functions will not work. Hope these hints helps. >About manual - if you have the service manual then it is very useful >in finding out these above. >Kannan >wontulp at zoomnet.com.au wrote >I am having trouble repairing faults in a 581 cassette deck. > >First problem was a very low volume on playback. > >Now it will not go into record or play mode. FW & REW will operate >from stop position while button is held on. > >Any suggestions, please? I have a manual. > >David >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -- David Thompson Assistant Principal/Academic Coordinator Wontulp-Bi-Buya College PO Box 960N, North Cairns Qld 4870 PH 07 4041 4596, Fax 07 4041 4597 Mobile 0429 992 037 ABN 31 048 665 207 http://www.wontulp.qld.edu.au From marcdenis at iquebec.com Thu Jul 10 13:57:29 2003 From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 07:57:29 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Registration In-Reply-To: <000801c3468d$feb677d0$3317e90c@B8142DE8> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20030710073628.02617f00@pop.iquebec.com> Robert, your Cassette Deck 1 should have a connector in the back for remote control operation. However, it is of the serial type (mini jack) rather than parallel type (multi-pin DIN style jack) on your older decks. This jack was intended mostly for use with same generation and later receivers which shipped with a unified wireless system remote control unit that could control receiver, CD player and cassette deck functions through a wired connection between the back of the cassette deck and back of the receiver (there is no wireless remote "eye" on the front panel of Cassette Deck 1). For a period of time, Nakamichi offered verious flavours of serial-to-parallel and parallel-to-serial converters (RC-1, RC-2, RC-3, RC-4) to make units with different type of data ports compatible with each other. -Marc At 19:50 2003/07/09 -0700, you wrote: >Hi Wouter, > >I've managed to register my current 6 Naks (Dragon, CR7A, CR3A, CR2A, >Cassette Deck 1, RX303). Unfortunately, my Dragon does not have the date >sticker on it, so I could not nail down the quarter of production. How >well is the registration project going? Any usefull trends yet? > >It occured to me that some additional information might be usefull as part >of the collection process. First, a simple yes or no question as to >whether the registrant has originals or copies of the User or Service >Manuals for the deck in question?; and Second, what is the deck being used >for? The use of the deck is not that important perhaps, but it might be >interesting to see how some of our fellow Nakers are using this beloved >technology. > >I also have a question to throw out to the forum. I noticed in Wouter's >excellent NAKS list on the web site, that for the Cassette Deck 1, the >remote control is listed as "Present". Mine does not have any provision >for a wired or wireless remote, and no mention of it in the Owner's >Manual. Does anyone know if some of them came with a remote? > >Robert Kent >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu Jul 10 12:32:04 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 12:32:04 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] Registration In-Reply-To: <000801c3468d$feb677d0$3317e90c@B8142DE8> References: <000801c3468d$feb677d0$3317e90c@B8142DE8> Message-ID: <21798.212.78.179.234.1057833124.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Hi, Here is some more information i just recovered, sorry for the crude formatting but that's on my TODO list! Wouter Country: ========================= USA 51 Netherlands 21 India 6 Germany 5 United Kingdom 5 Australia 3 Italy 2 Venezuela 2 Korea (Republic of) 1 Argentina 1 Canada 1 Firstowner: ========================= No 56 2nd 30 1st 7 3rd 5 Source: ========================= Ebay 44 Friend 14 Bought through classified ad 10 Audio Shop 8 Add in Newspaper 8 Other online Auction 6 Other Shop 5 Other 3 Technicalstate: ========================= Used but working fine 36 Like new 27 Minor problems 18 Needs repairs 16 Parts unit 1 Opticalstate: ========================= Normal usage wear 48 Like new 39 Some scratches 8 Badly scratched 2 From rtl at noctrl.edu Thu Jul 10 18:53:24 2003 From: rtl at noctrl.edu (Robert Lehe) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 11:53:24 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX 300 gear modification Message-ID: <1188.172.148.220.75.1057856004.squirrel@www.noctrl.edu> I have a BX-300 that is showing signs of idler wear. I am thinking of the gear modification, but am unwilling to spend the $220 in labor costs that ES Labs is asking. I am considering buying the $75 kit and doing the installation myself, but am a little nervous about it. How hard would it be for a moderately competent amature to do this job? And is it really necessary to replace the reel motor, as ESLabs recommnds? Thanks for any advice that might be forthcomin. Tad Lehe From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu Jul 10 18:04:05 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 18:04:05 +0200 Subject: [Fwd: [naktalk] Registration] Message-ID: <3F0D8E74.ED57974D@xs4all.nl> It seems like my message got lost in cyberspace... so here it is again -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "Wouter Heijke" Subject: Re: [naktalk] Registration Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 11:09:27 +0200 (CEST) Size: 3505 URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu Jul 10 11:09:27 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 11:09:27 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] Registration In-Reply-To: <000801c3468d$feb677d0$3317e90c@B8142DE8> References: <000801c3468d$feb677d0$3317e90c@B8142DE8> Message-ID: <7268.212.78.179.234.1057828167.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Hi Robert, Good you registered your Naks, more people should do this! What i can tell is that right now 41 people registered 98 products and here's the count per product, Dragon on top! Dragon 14 CR7 9 HighComII 6 680ZX 5 BX300 4 ZX7 4 RX505 4 1000ZXL 3 660ZX 3 NR100 3 700ZXE 2 BX125 2 NR200 2 550 2 RX202 2 CR3 2 DR3 2 BX2 2 682ZX 2 LX3 2 LX5 2 581 2 RX303 1 CassetteDeck1 1 CR1 1 700TriTracer 1 CR2 1 1000TriTracer 1 ZX9 1 MR1 1 600 1 670ZX 1 td700 1 BX1 1 480 1 580 1 480Z 1 482Z 1 481 1 481Z 1 600II 1 Good points you make on getting information on the subjects you mention, i'll produce some more lists soon, but as you see more products should be registered to give a good picture and with the 300 members on this list and an average of 2.3 registered naks per user right now there is still a long way to go..... 300 * (98/41) = 717 (!!!!) Cassette Deck 1 not having remote capabilities could be an error on the site, i'll check on it also! Wouter Right now > Hi Wouter, > > I've managed to register my current 6 Naks (Dragon, CR7A, CR3A, CR2A, > Cassette Deck 1, RX303). Unfortunately, my Dragon does not have the date > sticker on it, so I could not nail down the quarter of production. How > well is the registration project going? Any usefull trends yet? > > It occured to me that some additional information might be usefull as part > of the collection process. First, a simple yes or no question as to > whether the registrant has originals or copies of the User or Service > Manuals for the deck in question?; and Second, what is the deck being used > for? The use of the deck is not that important perhaps, but it might be > interesting to see how some of our fellow Nakers are using this beloved > technology. > > I also have a question to throw out to the forum. I noticed in Wouter's > excellent NAKS list on the web site, that for the Cassette Deck 1, the > remote control is listed as "Present". Mine does not have any provision > for a wired or wireless remote, and no mention of it in the Owner's > Manual. Does anyone know if some of them came with a remote? > > Robert > Kent========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > From kannan_s at vsnl.com Thu Jul 10 19:42:30 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 23:12:30 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 581 problems Message-ID: <20030710174230.0147C114985@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Thu Jul 10 19:48:56 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 23:18:56 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] BX 300 gear modification Message-ID: <20030710174856.CEF781149C8@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Thu Jul 10 19:58:25 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 23:28:25 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Registration Message-ID: <20030710175825.3C42F1149EA@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu Jul 10 23:46:45 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 23:46:45 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Registration References: <20030710175825.3C42F1149EA@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <3F0DDEC5.EEBB8F7D@xs4all.nl> Hi Kannan, I registered quite some products and i also asked my dutch friends....that's all. Right now i can't see how many are from outside naktalk, i could investigate, good point! Wouter kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > Hi wouter what is the secret of 21 registration from Netherlands just next to US while all other countries lagging far behind? How many of these from Naktalk mebers and how many outside? > Kannan > > wheijke at xs4all.nl wrote > > Hi, > > Here is some more information i just recovered, sorry for the crude > formatting but that's on my TODO list! > > Wouter > > Country: > ========================= > USA 51 > Netherlands 21 > India 6 > Germany 5 > United Kingdom 5 > Australia 3 > Italy 2 > Venezuela 2 > Korea (Republic of) 1 > Argentina 1 > Canada 1 > > Firstowner: > ========================= > No 56 > 2nd 30 > 1st 7 > 3rd 5 > > Source: > ========================= > Ebay 44 > Friend 14 > Bought through classified ad 10 > Audio Shop 8 > Add in Newspaper 8 > Other online Auction 6 > Other Shop 5 > Other 3 > > Technicalstate: > ========================= > Used but working fine 36 > Like new 27 > Minor problems 18 > Needs repairs 16 > Parts unit 1 > > Opticalstate: > ========================= > Normal usage wear 48 > Like new 39 > Some scratches 8 > Badly scratched 2 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From rtl at noctrl.edu Thu Jul 10 23:56:55 2003 From: rtl at noctrl.edu (Robert Lehe) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 16:56:55 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX 300 gear modification In-Reply-To: <20030710174856.CEF781149C8@webmail.vsnl.com> References: <20030710174856.CEF781149C8@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <1687.172.144.87.191.1057874215.squirrel@www.noctrl.edu> Kannan, Thanks for your input. I just got a copy of the insructions and it looks like a nightmare. No wonder ES Labs asks $220 for the labor for this job! As much as $220 hurts, I think there are ways I could earn it that would be less painful than putting that puzzle together. It seems like it would be easier to do the idler tire five times over the future life of the deck. It was ES Labs that has the kit I inquired about. You can reach them at their website, eslabs.com or email Jeff at Jeff at nakamichi.us. Is it really true that the idlers only last a couple of years? WIll it help if I ddont use rewind or fast forward? Any advice about the idler replacement job? Thanks again, Tad > Tad > are you knowing the source for these gear mod kits? I would like to get > one such kit! > > It sure requires original motor with the gear to do the replacement. > Requires large numebr of components removal as well as re- assembly. > Quite tediuos and you better try that on a BX1 mechanism before > attempting on your BX300. Better replace the idler tire which is an > economical solution. If you need more assistance on this you can contact > me off - list Kannan > > rtl at noctrl.edu wrote > I have a BX-300 that is showing signs of idler wear. I am thinking of > the gear modification, but am unwilling to spend the $220 in labor costs > that ES Labs is asking. I am considering buying the $75 kit and doing > the installation myself, but am a little nervous about it. How hard > would it be for a moderately competent amature to do this job? And is > it really necessary to replace the reel motor, as ESLabs recommnds? > Thanks for any advice that might be forthcomin. > > Tad Lehe > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jlysen at comcast.net Fri Jul 11 01:11:10 2003 From: jlysen at comcast.net (John Lysen) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 18:11:10 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX 300 gear modification References: <1188.172.148.220.75.1057856004.squirrel@www.noctrl.edu> Message-ID: <002601c34738$8ecbd6d0$6400a8c0@mac> I replaced the idler wheel on my RX-202. They recommended a professional service tech do it. I just look my time and was able to do it. What you can't do me be afraid to take some screws out. I have the top cover and both left and right front panels out. I also had to disconnect two wires. Next I had to disassemble my front loader (not easy) but I'm an amateur and I did it. I only ordered and replaced the idler wheel ($10.00) + shipping. My unit is working fine. If you do decide to do this make sure you follow their directions to a tee. You can loose that very small plastic hub holder very easy. I put a piece of 2 to 3 inch masking tape over the top. Then I got a rounded nose kitchen knife. I very gentle put the tip under the hub holder and popped it off right into the tape. It work great. I know is isn't conventional but you don't know what tricks these tech's do in the back room. Good Luck, Let me know if you need any more help ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Lehe" To: Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 11:53 AM Subject: [naktalk] BX 300 gear modification > I have a BX-300 that is showing signs of idler wear. I am thinking of the > gear modification, but am unwilling to spend the $220 in labor costs that > ES Labs is asking. I am considering buying the $75 kit and doing the > installation myself, but am a little nervous about it. How hard would it > be for a moderately competent amature to do this job? And is it really > necessary to replace the reel motor, as ESLabs recommnds? Thanks for any > advice that might be forthcomin. > > Tad Lehe > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 11 01:34:17 2003 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 16:34:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX 300 gear modification In-Reply-To: <1188.172.148.220.75.1057856004.squirrel@www.noctrl.edu> Message-ID: <20030710233417.97159.qmail@web40414.mail.yahoo.com> $220 to have the upgrade done is crazy. $75 is getting reasonable, but, just keep a stash of idler tires and change then when they get hard. If you store them in cool place (like the refrig) they will last a long time. I bought a bag of 10 for under $7 and that'll keep my two RX-202's going for years. SJ --- Robert Lehe wrote: > I have a BX-300 that is showing signs of idler wear. > I am thinking of the > gear modification, but am unwilling to spend the > $220 in labor costs that > ES Labs is asking. I am considering buying the $75 > kit and doing the > installation myself, but am a little nervous about > it. How hard would it > be for a moderately competent amature to do this > job? And is it really > necessary to replace the reel motor, as ESLabs > recommnds? Thanks for any > advice that might be forthcomin. > > Tad Lehe > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From rjkent at comcast.net Fri Jul 11 15:47:58 2003 From: rjkent at comcast.net (Robert Kent) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 06:47:58 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1 Remote Message-ID: <002301c347b3$0a971f20$3317e90c@B8142DE8> Thanks Marc, You are correct....the "s-control" mini plug is there.....I was expecting the usual multi-pin plug and overlooked it. I guess it won't do me much good since I am not using it with a Nakamichi pre-amp or reciever. Robert Kent -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From roleo at telus.net Fri Jul 11 16:49:03 2003 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 07:49:03 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Idler Maintenance and Replacement Message-ID: <027201c347bb$9282d4d0$77d8b440@desktop> In connection with the BX-300 idler, quality replacement idlers shouldn't cost $10.00. They are available for as little as $0.56 from the supplier. 32-5665 is the MCM stock number for the tire. Minimum order is 5 pieces, which is still below $3.00 and you have 4 spares (store them in sealed plastic) for years to come. http://mcm.newark.com/NewarkWebCommerce/mcm/en_US/support/search/searchResults.jsp?action=0&First=0&QText=32-5665+&x=16&y=8 --Roland ================================================== NAKAMICHI IDLER MAINTAINENECE To get to the idler, you just have to do this: Open the tape door & pop off the major part of the door, which means just lift up about 1/4" & out. Get a #1 size Philips screwdriver and remove the two black screws that are in the upper left and right corners of the inside of the tape cavity. These screws hold the back plate in place. Making note of how the bottom of this plate fits into a groove in the left & right chrome guide pins, tilt the top of the plate toward you, which may require pulling with a bent end of a paper clip or such, then lift it up and out of the deck. You will now see a small wheel with a rubber tire right between the two tape reel spinners. To simply clean the idler (which can keep it going 6 months to a year at a time indefinitely), just close the door frame, turn on the unit and push fast forward. Then take a Q-tip dampened with "head cleaning solution" from Radio Shack or a hifi store & hold it lightly against the lower left quadrant of the spinning tire, with just enough force to NOT stop the thing spinning. Slowly rotate the Q-tip as you go, noticing that the amount of force you can apply without stopping the tire is increasing. Clean until you need quite a bit of pressure to stop it, re-dampening the Q-tip if needed. Ideally, you should be able to stop the reel spinning with your fingers and have that stop the brass motor pulley too. NAKAMICHI IDLER REPLACEMENT To replace the idler tire, you need a little bit of dexterity in your fingers. In the center of the wheel, you'll see a tiny, clear plastic washer that holds the wheel to the shaft. Use a pair of fine blade wire cutters (actually, Revlon cuticle trimmers, which look just like wire cutters, are perfect choice) to grab one edge, gently, of the washer & pull it off the shaft. Be VERY careful not to loose it. Pull the wheel off the shaft, seeing that the little black slip washer under it stays behind (but it's not critical if that one gets lost). Pull the little tire out of the groove in the wheel and then stretch the new one on and into the groove, making sure it is settled in smoothly all the way round, above & below. Put the wheel back on the shaft. To put the retaining washer back on, you first need to give some support behind the wheel holder arm, lest it break off when the washer is pushed back on. Use a small screwdrive to act as a support behind the arm. Then, wet the tip of your finger to make the washer stick to it, then push the washer back onto the shaft until it pops into the shaft groove. This means letting the shaft dig into your finger tip a bit, but not enough to do any damage. Re-install the back plate, bottom first, making sure to get the plate into the grooves of the guide pins at each side, then tilt it back into place. Re-install the screws, pop the door back on to the frame and you are done! From rtl at noctrl.edu Fri Jul 11 19:39:55 2003 From: rtl at noctrl.edu (Robert Lehe) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 12:39:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Idler Maintenance and Replacement References: <027201c347bb$9282d4d0$77d8b440@desktop> Message-ID: <3F0EF66B.40507@noctrl.edu> Roland, Thanks much for that very helpful info. Apparently this is a generic part. At the linked site there were several makers listed for which the idler works, but it did not include Nakamichi. May I assume that we can be sure that this particular idler does exactly fit the Nak? Thanks again. Tad Roland Alford wrote: >In connection with the BX-300 idler, quality replacement idlers shouldn't cost $10.00. They are >available for as little as $0.56 from the supplier. > >32-5665 is the MCM stock number for the tire. Minimum order is 5 pieces, which is still below >$3.00 and you have 4 spares (store them in sealed plastic) for years to come. > >http://mcm.newark.com/NewarkWebCommerce/mcm/en_US/support/search/searchResults.jsp?action=0&First=0&QText=32-5665+&x=16&y=8 > >--Roland > >================================================== > >NAKAMICHI IDLER MAINTAINENECE > >To get to the idler, you just have to do this: Open the tape door & pop off the major part of the >door, which means just lift up about 1/4" & out. Get a #1 size Philips screwdriver and remove the >two black screws that are in the upper left and right corners of the inside of the tape cavity. >These screws hold the back plate in place. > >Making note of how the bottom of this plate fits into a groove in the left & right chrome guide >pins, tilt the top of the plate toward you, which may require pulling with a bent end of a paper >clip or such, then lift it up and out of the deck. You will now see a small wheel with a rubber >tire right between the two tape reel spinners. > >To simply clean the idler (which can keep it going 6 months to a year at a time indefinitely), just >close the door frame, turn on the unit and push fast forward. Then take a Q-tip dampened with >"head cleaning solution" from Radio Shack or a hifi store & hold it lightly against the lower left >quadrant of the spinning tire, with just enough force to NOT stop the thing spinning. Slowly >rotate the Q-tip as you go, noticing that the amount of force you can apply without stopping the >tire is increasing. Clean until you need quite a bit of pressure to stop it, re-dampening the >Q-tip if needed. Ideally, you should be able to stop the reel spinning with your fingers and have >that stop the brass motor pulley too. > > >NAKAMICHI IDLER REPLACEMENT > >To replace the idler tire, you need a little bit of dexterity in your fingers. In the center of >the wheel, you'll see a tiny, clear plastic washer that holds the wheel to the shaft. Use a pair >of fine blade wire cutters (actually, Revlon cuticle trimmers, which look just like wire cutters, >are perfect choice) to grab one edge, gently, of the washer & pull it off the shaft. Be VERY >careful not to loose it. > >Pull the wheel off the shaft, seeing that the little black slip washer under it stays behind (but >it's not critical if that one gets lost). Pull the little tire out of the groove in the wheel and >then stretch the new one on and into the groove, making sure it is settled in smoothly all the way >round, above & below. Put the wheel back on the shaft. > >To put the retaining washer back on, you first need to give some support behind the wheel holder >arm, lest it break off when the washer is pushed back on. Use a small screwdrive to act as a >support behind the arm. > >Then, wet the tip of your finger to make the washer stick to it, then push the washer back onto the >shaft until it pops into the shaft groove. This means letting the shaft dig into your finger tip a >bit, but not enough to do any damage. > >Re-install the back plate, bottom first, making sure to get the plate into the grooves of the guide >pins at each side, then tilt it back into place. Re-install the screws, pop the door back on to >the frame and you are done! > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > From rtl at noctrl.edu Fri Jul 11 19:45:04 2003 From: rtl at noctrl.edu (Robert Lehe) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 12:45:04 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Idler Maintenance and Replacement References: <027201c347bb$9282d4d0$77d8b440@desktop> Message-ID: <3F0EF7A0.8060407@noctrl.edu> Roland, Another question. Does the replacement idler tire come with its own washer or does the original washer have to survive several idler tire changes? The part of the operation that worries me a little is the possibility of losing or damaging that littlle itty bitty washer. Seems like it would be nice to have a few extras. Can they be separately acquired? Thanks again. Tad Roland Alford wrote: >In connection with the BX-300 idler, quality replacement idlers shouldn't cost $10.00. They are >available for as little as $0.56 from the supplier. > >32-5665 is the MCM stock number for the tire. Minimum order is 5 pieces, which is still below >$3.00 and you have 4 spares (store them in sealed plastic) for years to come. > >http://mcm.newark.com/NewarkWebCommerce/mcm/en_US/support/search/searchResults.jsp?action=0&First=0&QText=32-5665+&x=16&y=8 > >--Roland > >================================================== > >NAKAMICHI IDLER MAINTAINENECE > >To get to the idler, you just have to do this: Open the tape door & pop off the major part of the >door, which means just lift up about 1/4" & out. Get a #1 size Philips screwdriver and remove the >two black screws that are in the upper left and right corners of the inside of the tape cavity. >These screws hold the back plate in place. > >Making note of how the bottom of this plate fits into a groove in the left & right chrome guide >pins, tilt the top of the plate toward you, which may require pulling with a bent end of a paper >clip or such, then lift it up and out of the deck. You will now see a small wheel with a rubber >tire right between the two tape reel spinners. > >To simply clean the idler (which can keep it going 6 months to a year at a time indefinitely), just >close the door frame, turn on the unit and push fast forward. Then take a Q-tip dampened with >"head cleaning solution" from Radio Shack or a hifi store & hold it lightly against the lower left >quadrant of the spinning tire, with just enough force to NOT stop the thing spinning. Slowly >rotate the Q-tip as you go, noticing that the amount of force you can apply without stopping the >tire is increasing. Clean until you need quite a bit of pressure to stop it, re-dampening the >Q-tip if needed. Ideally, you should be able to stop the reel spinning with your fingers and have >that stop the brass motor pulley too. > > >NAKAMICHI IDLER REPLACEMENT > >To replace the idler tire, you need a little bit of dexterity in your fingers. In the center of >the wheel, you'll see a tiny, clear plastic washer that holds the wheel to the shaft. Use a pair >of fine blade wire cutters (actually, Revlon cuticle trimmers, which look just like wire cutters, >are perfect choice) to grab one edge, gently, of the washer & pull it off the shaft. Be VERY >careful not to loose it. > >Pull the wheel off the shaft, seeing that the little black slip washer under it stays behind (but >it's not critical if that one gets lost). Pull the little tire out of the groove in the wheel and >then stretch the new one on and into the groove, making sure it is settled in smoothly all the way >round, above & below. Put the wheel back on the shaft. > >To put the retaining washer back on, you first need to give some support behind the wheel holder >arm, lest it break off when the washer is pushed back on. Use a small screwdrive to act as a >support behind the arm. > >Then, wet the tip of your finger to make the washer stick to it, then push the washer back onto the >shaft until it pops into the shaft groove. This means letting the shaft dig into your finger tip a >bit, but not enough to do any damage. > >Re-install the back plate, bottom first, making sure to get the plate into the grooves of the guide >pins at each side, then tilt it back into place. Re-install the screws, pop the door back on to >the frame and you are done! > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > From rtl at noctrl.edu Fri Jul 11 20:08:04 2003 From: rtl at noctrl.edu (Robert Lehe) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 13:08:04 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX125 again Message-ID: <3F0EFD04.3030104@noctrl.edu> Thanks to all who helped with my idler problem on my BX300 and BX 125. I have been a Nak owner for only a year and a subscriber hear for only a few days, and I am amazed at how helpful people have been. What a resource!! Well, now I have another question about the 125. This I bought on ebay last week (for $10) to use for copying tapes onto the 300. Its idler was too badly worn to use the deck for serious recording, but the transport does move the tape well enough to reveal a more serious issue. The output is greatly reduced--so much so that the meters barely move above zero. And the high frequencies seem to be muted. Does this sound like a worn head, or could it be electronic? The head looks OK, and of course I cleaned and demagnitized it. Thanks again for your help. Tad From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 11 20:33:14 2003 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 11:33:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX125 again In-Reply-To: <3F0EFD04.3030104@noctrl.edu> Message-ID: <20030711183314.55988.qmail@web40406.mail.yahoo.com> It's probably it's just the head alignment, although head wear is also possible. The level is probably head height and the high frequency loss is head azimuth. I can't remember if the BX-125 has a head height adjustment screw? At least one of the head mounting screws is spring loaded. Try turning the screw back and forth about a turn or two while playing a tape. If there are two spring loaded screws go back and forth between the two and adjust for maximum level first then maximum high frequency content. Scott J. --- Robert Lehe wrote: > Thanks to all who helped with my idler problem on my > BX300 and BX 125. > I have been a Nak owner for only a year and a > subscriber hear for only > a few days, and I am amazed at how helpful people > have been. What a > resource!! Well, now I have another question about > the 125. This I > bought on ebay last week (for $10) to use for > copying tapes onto the > 300. Its idler was too badly worn to use the deck > for serious > recording, but the transport does move the tape well > enough to reveal a > more serious issue. The output is greatly > reduced--so much so that the > meters barely move above zero. And the high > frequencies seem to be > muted. Does this sound like a worn head, or could > it be electronic? > The head looks OK, and of course I cleaned and > demagnitized it. Thanks > again for your help. > > Tad > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Jul 11 21:43:45 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 01:13:45 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] BX125 again Message-ID: <20030711194345.E0878114969@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From buyer at tiger-tiger.com Sat Jul 12 04:31:51 2003 From: buyer at tiger-tiger.com (Matthew Brody) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 19:31:51 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] BX125 again References: <20030711194345.E0878114969@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <3F0F7317.7010301@tiger-tiger.com> Kannan My mobile number is 415 515 4554. Talk to you tomorrow! Note: I own the following pieces of eq: wavetek signal generator, hitachi oscope, fluke 87 (does freq counting) and an hp bench meter, maybe more accurate than fluke. mb From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Jul 12 14:25:10 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 19:25:10 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] BX 300 gear modification References: <20030710233417.97159.qmail@web40414.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000b01c34870$bcab8440$d5299bca@smarzuki> Hi all, As I said before the most cost effective way to get idler gear kit done is by getting either CR1 or 2 which usually sell for less than $50 on ebay ... you also get the needed reel motor as well ! (not to mention extra power supply, rollers and so on =). Or you can re-assemble that CR1/2 with rubber idler as a spare playback deck. The tricky part in replacing the 300 gear is that bottom left screw of capstan block somewhat located behind a swinging steel plate. Please download the gearmod.pdf from our guru Stephen Sank and study the 3 head / direct drive models before attempting to wreck your BX. The nice part of doing direct drive models is that the whole motor & dual capstan block fell off as one unit. I only unsoldered the 2 cables to reel motor, unhooked plastic strips that hold the small cables and work withing dangling cables' reach (whole mechanic block off the deck of course) ... 1 hour later I have an extra rare idler gear ZX5. Be careful when re-assembling the reel motor + idler unit. There's a nut washer and cassette 'pressurer' that needs to be in place before reel unit installed. Let me know if you need more details if you can bear my limited language =). Lots of good luck !!! SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Johnson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 6:34 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX 300 gear modification $220 to have the upgrade done is crazy. $75 is getting reasonable, but, just keep a stash of idler tires and change then when they get hard. If you store them in cool place (like the refrig) they will last a long time. I bought a bag of 10 for under $7 and that'll keep my two RX-202's going for years. SJ --- Robert Lehe wrote: > I have a BX-300 that is showing signs of idler wear. > I am thinking of the > gear modification, but am unwilling to spend the > $220 in labor costs that > ES Labs is asking. I am considering buying the $75 > kit and doing the > installation myself, but am a little nervous about > it. How hard would it > be for a moderately competent amature to do this > job? And is it really > necessary to replace the reel motor, as ESLabs > recommnds? Thanks for any > advice that might be forthcomin. > > Tad Lehe > > From rtl at noctrl.edu Sat Jul 12 16:40:46 2003 From: rtl at noctrl.edu (Robert Lehe) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 09:40:46 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX 300 gear modification In-Reply-To: <000b01c34870$bcab8440$d5299bca@smarzuki> References: <20030710233417.97159.qmail@web40414.mail.yahoo.com> <000b01c34870$bcab8440$d5299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <1103.172.140.41.87.1058020846.squirrel@www.noctrl.edu> Salim, Thanks, that sounds like an intriguing possiblity. It might be beyond my confort zone, however. How do I get that gearmod pdf? Are you referring to dthe document No. 00D-SI-3117 (1/5), dated 27 January 1989? I have that document. IF you are referring to a different document, could you tell me hhow can obtain it? Thanks much. I continue to be amazed at how much people here are willing to be helpful. Tad P.S. Your English is fine! > > Hi all, > > As I said before the most cost effective way to get idler gear kit done > is by getting either CR1 or 2 which usually sell for less than $50 on > ebay ... you also get the needed reel motor as well ! (not to mention > extra power supply, rollers and so on =). Or you can re-assemble that > CR1/2 with rubber idler as a spare playback deck. > > The tricky part in replacing the 300 gear is that bottom left screw of > capstan block somewhat located behind a swinging steel plate. Please > download the gearmod.pdf from our guru Stephen Sank and study the 3 head > / direct drive models before attempting to wreck your BX. The nice part > of doing direct drive models is that the whole motor & dual capstan > block fell off as one unit. I only unsoldered the 2 cables to reel > motor, unhooked plastic strips that hold the small cables and work > withing dangling cables' reach (whole mechanic block off the deck of > course) ... 1 hour later I have an extra rare idler gear ZX5. > > Be careful when re-assembling the reel motor + idler unit. There's a > nut washer and cassette 'pressurer' that needs to be in place before > reel unit installed. Let me know if you need more details if you can > bear my limited language =). > > Lots of good luck !!! > SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Scott Johnson > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 6:34 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX 300 gear modification > > > $220 to have the upgrade done is crazy. $75 is > getting reasonable, but, just keep a stash of idler > tires and change then when they get hard. If you > store them in cool place (like the refrig) they will > last a long time. I bought a bag of 10 for under $7 > and that'll keep my two RX-202's going for years. > > SJ > > --- Robert Lehe wrote: >> I have a BX-300 that is showing signs of idler wear. >> I am thinking of the >> gear modification, but am unwilling to spend the >> $220 in labor costs that >> ES Labs is asking. I am considering buying the $75 >> kit and doing the >> installation myself, but am a little nervous about >> it. How hard would it >> be for a moderately competent amature to do this >> job? And is it really >> necessary to replace the reel motor, as ESLabs >> recommnds? Thanks for any >> advice that might be forthcomin. >> >> Tad Lehe >> >> > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From fidelman at telcel.net.ve Fri Jul 11 22:18:03 2003 From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 16:18:03 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] NR-200 Madness!!! Message-ID: <003101c347e9$8be04a30$636423c8@g8nsv> Hey guys!!! Check this out....A Nakamichi NR-200 for US$700!!!!! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3033919418&category=4784 Isy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Sun Jul 13 19:37:42 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 23:07:42 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] BX 300 gear modification Message-ID: <20030713173742.4843A114964@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Jul 13 19:59:55 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 00:59:55 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] BX 300 gear modification References: <20030710233417.97159.qmail@web40414.mail.yahoo.com> <000b01c34870$bcab8440$d5299bca@smarzuki> <1103.172.140.41.87.1058020846.squirrel@www.noctrl.edu> Message-ID: <000901c34968$91ca8160$d0299bca@smarzuki> Hey Tad, Yes that's the document precise to the issue date ! Please read the section for 3 head decks (2.2.2.) carefully. To me it's easier done than said =) ... in particular that lengthy step no 4. If you have removed the whole mechanical block off the deck before then I think you're already halfway there. The tricky part I mentioned is on step 4.h concerning the lock lever and 4.i (nut L30 and cass hold spring). Other than that just be extra careful with the small parts / washers all over, especially if this is your first nak project =) Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Lehe To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2003 9:40 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX 300 gear modification Salim, Thanks, that sounds like an intriguing possiblity. It might be beyond my confort zone, however. How do I get that gearmod pdf? Are you referring to dthe document No. 00D-SI-3117 (1/5), dated 27 January 1989? I have that document. IF you are referring to a different document, could you tell me hhow can obtain it? Thanks much. I continue to be amazed at how much people here are willing to be helpful. Tad P.S. Your English is fine! From msyoder at border.net Sun Jul 13 20:04:54 2003 From: msyoder at border.net (Michael S. Yoder) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 13:04:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Quality of today's cassette shells Message-ID: <001201c34969$59c9d8a0$8bf4c1cf@jnorris.ttu.edu> Hi all, A few weeks ago, there was some discussion on this list about cassette formulations (metal vs. chrome, etc.), and I recall vaguely a posting (I don't recall whose) that lamented the cheap quality of today's cassette shells, and the fact that no longer do we see those little screws in the corners holding the shells together. Lately I've been stocking up on chrome and metal tapes as best I can, and have recently purchased TDK SA 90 ("assembled in Thailand, tape made in Japan"), Sony Metal XR 60 ("made in E.U."), Sony UX 90 ("assembled in Mexico of U.S. or Japan components"), and Sony UX-Pro 60 ("Made in Mexico"). Sonically, all are great on my Nak. DR-3 and Sony KA3ES. But, the shells just look cheaper to me than prior versions of these tapes (except for UX-Pro, which I had never heard of until yesterday. I'm told these are made for the still-thriving Latin American cassette market). I can see screws inside of the see-through plastic shell in the usual corner locations on the Sony UX, and I can see little round bumps in the plastic of the TDK SA where the screws normally are, indicating there may be screws inside those, too. Thankfully, the TDK SA-X 60s I've been getting via mail order have nice shells. The question: Is there reason to be concerned? If so, what kinds of problems might "cheaper" shells create, if in fact they are the results of the companies cutting corners? Thanks. Michael Y. From rtl at noctrl.edu Mon Jul 14 02:18:18 2003 From: rtl at noctrl.edu (Robert Lehe) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 19:18:18 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX 300 gear modification In-Reply-To: <000901c34968$91ca8160$d0299bca@smarzuki> References: <20030710233417.97159.qmail@web40414.mail.yahoo.com> <000b01c34870$bcab8440$d5299bca@smarzuki> <1103.172.140.41.87.1058020846.squirrel@www.noctrl.edu> <000901c34968$91ca8160$d0299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <1061.172.168.255.142.1058141898.squirrel@www.noctrl.edu> Salim, Well, I took your advice and got a CR1A on ebay today for $23. (I hope the "A" is ok). I am still a little concerned about adapting the instructions for installing the gear modifiction kit to a situation where I am taking parts from another deck. I thought I would be able to avoid a lot of the minute disassembly of all those little parts by taking a major chunck in one piece from the other deck. Am I wrong about that? Also, how good a deck is the CR1A in its own right? Thanks again, Tad > > Hey Tad, > > Yes that's the document precise to the issue date ! Please read the > section for 3 head decks (2.2.2.) carefully. To me it's easier done > than said =) ... in particular that lengthy step no 4. If you have > removed the whole mechanical block off the deck before then I think > you're already halfway there. > > The tricky part I mentioned is on step 4.h concerning the lock lever and > 4.i (nut L30 and cass hold spring). Other than that just be extra > careful with the small parts / washers all over, especially if this is > your first nak project =) > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Robert Lehe > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2003 9:40 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX 300 gear modification > > > Salim, > > Thanks, that sounds like an intriguing possiblity. It might be beyond > my confort zone, however. How do I get that gearmod pdf? Are you > referring to dthe document No. 00D-SI-3117 (1/5), dated 27 January 1989? > I have that document. IF you are referring to a different document, > could you tell me hhow can obtain it? Thanks much. I continue to be > amazed at how much people here are willing to be helpful. > > Tad > P.S. Your English is fine! > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Jul 14 02:41:35 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 07:41:35 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] BX 300 gear modification References: <20030713173742.4843A114964@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <000d01c349a0$e70ba180$d3299bca@smarzuki> Hi Kannan, Thanks much for the kind words ! My tech language is horrible and I could never write a 'manual' without adding more confusion. I agree that gearmod is more complicated but at the same time much easier compared to aligning pb head tilt without Nak gauge ! Looks like I've successfully contained the Nakaholic virus ... and reduced number of decks down to 19 :-( Sadly offset by increasing mid-fi vintage turntables. Need to get more life, Mr. Anderson. =) Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: kannan_s at vsnl.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 12:37 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX 300 gear modification I consider Salim' english is an excellent one. Nice to see a post from Salim after a long time. Salim are you not collecting anymore of Naks? Gearmod is neither too easy not very complicated if you work systematically disassemble as well as re assemble! kannan rtl at noctrl.edu wrote Salim, Thanks, that sounds like an intriguing possiblity. From cptarun at yahoo.co.in Mon Jul 14 10:16:43 2003 From: cptarun at yahoo.co.in (=?iso-8859-1?q?Chandra=20Tarun?=) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 09:16:43 +0100 (BST) Subject: [naktalk] Problem with ZX-9: motors appear to have grown tired Message-ID: <20030714081643.30197.qmail@web8203.mail.in.yahoo.com> Dear all, My first message posting to this list. Bear with me. :) I have a ZX-9. Bought it more than two years back from an audio shop owner in Bandra who is also a Nak lover. (He has a fully functional Dragon for sale. Interested, anyone? :)) Looking at the Nak's condition, it does not appear that anything visible has been replaced. E.g. the head appears very old, and shows signs of mild pitting corrosion. The deck sounds divine. It's absolutely the best sound I've ever heard from a cassette deck in my life. I've also heard a 682ZX, and some not-top-quality non-Nak decks, apart from the usual junk. My deck has decided to suddenly exhibit some very strange symptoms. It appears to get tired pulling the cassette from end to end. If I play a cassette from one end, the deck will play well, sound lovely, till about 80-90% of the side, and then suddenly start running slow, and within half a minute, it will stop. I take out the tape and try winding it by hand and there's nothing wrong with the tape. I put the tape back in and press play, and it starts playing just fine. After maybe a minute, maybe five, it will once again suddenly go slow, then slooooow, then stop. Sometimes if I FF and REW the tape a bit and come back to the same point and play again, it will play for a few minutes more. Sometimes I can coax it to play to the end of the tape this way. Allied symptoms: 1. Fast forward and reverse too seem to show this "feeling tired" symptom. It moves the tape very fast when the outgoing spool has most of the tape. But when the take-up spool has 90% of the tape, e.g. when you've reached, say, 90% of the way while fast-forwarding, then it appears to go very slow. Sometimes it stops. 2. I feel that sometimes, even when it's behaving "normally", it's going steady but a _bit_ slow, thus making the music sound a bit dark. This impression is with some cassettes, not all, and that too not always. 3. It's not that this problem of tape stopping occurs only after 90% of the side has completed. It sometimes occurs in the middle of a tape. It's just more frequent towards the end. I live in Bombay. The humidity here is 110% now, if such a thing were possible. Does this have anything to do with the problem? I've lived though earlier rainy seasons with this deck; it's never behaved this way. Any ideas? Anything I can check? I've never opened any Nak deck, and I'm a bit of a DIY person, but I'm not sure I have the confidence to open a complex mechanical+electrical system like a Nak. Tarun ________________________________________________________________________ Send free SMS using the Yahoo! Messenger. Go to http://in.mobile.yahoo.com/new/pc/ From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Jul 14 16:28:29 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 21:28:29 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] BX 300 gear modification References: <20030710233417.97159.qmail@web40414.mail.yahoo.com> <000b01c34870$bcab8440$d5299bca@smarzuki> <1103.172.140.41.87.1058020846.squirrel@www.noctrl.edu> <000901c34968$91ca8160$d0299bca@smarzuki> <1061.172.168.255.142.1058141898.squirrel@www.noctrl.edu> Message-ID: <002501c34a14$4f0f25e0$b4299bca@smarzuki> Tad, congratulations on your 'gear kit' purchase ! Unfortunately you can't simply swap the mech block since CR1/2 use completely different design (regular belt drive) and about the only thing they share with BX300 (with more precise Direct Drive motor) is that housing 'cage'. Anyway with CR1 (A is okay) parts you'll be doing exactly same procedure as official gear kit mod but you'd need to remove the 'kit' from your CR. However, as a bonus, you'll be getting a rubber-idler-driven-spare CR1A, which sounds quite good for a single capstan 2 head decks. A swappable block might come from CR 4/7 (not 100% sure though) but we're back to ground $220 up. In order to remove the kit from CR: 1. Unplug pb/rec erase head, motor, cam sensor and lamp cables from pcb. 2. Remove two small bottom screws and then the top single screw holding the mech block, gently slide mech block to the back and lift off slowly (in case we forgot to remove ground cable =) yes, that convenient handle turned out to be the eject button, close the cass door back. 3. Store the CR1 skeleton away from desk and work with mech block only. 4. Remove the front door frame and the backplate w/ light. 5. Remove the reels: small washer first, reel hub, spring and tiny plastic lock (don't mix left and right side parts) 6. Unsolder reel cables (blue and red), remove capstan motor and plate. 7. Loosen the two screws and one small #$% nut holding reel motor plate. 8. Watch where the big nut spacer fell down. Voila, gearkit mod plus motor ready for use ! Try practice re-assembling the motor plate, nut spacer, white plastic 'slider' and cassette leaf spring holder on CR block before proceeding to more complicated BX300. The plastic slider should be free to move up down. Let me know how things go. Of course 'being helpful' is very subjective now that your BX is still healthy in one piece ... =) Good luck ! Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Lehe To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 7:18 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX 300 gear modification Salim, Well, I took your advice and got a CR1A on ebay today for $23. (I hope the "A" is ok). I am still a little concerned about adapting the instructions for installing the gear modifiction kit to a situation where I am taking parts from another deck. I thought I would be able to avoid a lot of the minute disassembly of all those little parts by taking a major chunck in one piece from the other deck. Am I wrong about that? Also, how good a deck is the CR1A in its own right? Thanks again, Tad From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Jul 14 17:06:14 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 17:06:14 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Quality of today's cassette shells/casings: Michael Message-ID: Hi Michael, You ask a pertinant series of questions. You also mentioned some cassettes, some of which I have used and some are variants of those I've used, but are assembled in different countries. I don't know if visible screws are especially significant or important. Industrial bonding is so good these days that you would theoretically get a tighter closure and a more rigid casing than with shells that are screwed together. The problem is that you can't oopen them, although once cassettes have been opened, they are quite tricky to re-assemble (by no means impossible though) so that they perform better. The old hassle was that with a fast rewinding on an older cassette, the tape leader would detach from the hub. You would then open it and re-insert the leader in the little slit in the hub and reassemble. This happened to me a lot some years ago when I had a few (ancient) Agfa's (grey) and BASF (the orange LHs). Sometimes the tape actually broke (quite unusual) and this was repared with a very fine piece of transparent tape (the more expensive kind). You're qute right, there are screws inside the tapes, but they are not intended to be taken apart I don't think. I never have a need to open a tape as I did in the past (above). The UX Pro is a super-chrome of excellent quality. The UXs sold here (RSA) are made in Italy!! TDK SA and SA-X are assembled in Thailand but by inference, all the parts and the tape itself come from Japan. I think you are right when you say that shells used to be a bit better in the yesteryears. My observation is that they were tougher and heavier before. However, the English Maxell XLII-S is a revelation. It's a really solid casing, heat-resistant, quiet running and feels good in the hand. (Sounds like a Glock 19!!!) Seriously though, there are still good tapes out there. The best finds are the older stocks sitting on someones shelf - and they are waiting for YOU!! Incidently, any stocks of BASF Chrome Maxima, Reference Maxima TPII and Metal Maxima TP IV should be purchased if you come across them. Both the latter are three piece constructions and have the Azimuth Stabilizer. They are beautifully built, highly durable and superb sounding. Good luck with your SA-X and SM-X cassettes and be sure to look (when you have the opportunity to hit the streets) for dusty old stock you can prise out from the back-room of the smaller hi-fi and media dealers. This is 21st Century buried treasure!!! Cheers, Marc The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From RTLehe at aol.com Mon Jul 14 17:11:15 2003 From: RTLehe at aol.com (RTLehe at aol.com) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 11:11:15 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi playback response. Message-ID: <63.1fd25542.2c442213@aol.com> I am relatively new to the Nakamichi world. I did use a 2 head 500 dual tracer for a short time in the mid 70's, but most of my more than 2,000 tapes were made on other decks I owned. I noticed when I had the 500 that tapes made on that deck sounded dull on my other decks. For most of the last 15 years I have used a Yamaha deck, which I got because of the play trim, which enabled me to get good response from the tapes made on the old Nak. When the Yamaha finally died I started looking for a new deck, and was disappointed to find that there were not many decent decks being make any more. So I acquired several used decks on ebay, including some Denons, Yamahas, Aiwas and a couple of Naks. I have heard for a long time about a lack of playback response compatibility between Naks and other decks. Now I have had a chance to experience it first hand again. I have read some theories about a different head design and head gap for Naks that makes their recordings not sound right on other decks. I do not know about that. But it seems to that what is really going on is that the Naks have playback response with a high frequency rise, which makes tapes made on other decks sound bright and tapes made on the Nak sound dull on other decks. Two questions. Is it true that the Nak incompatiblility issue is mainly a matter of their having a rising high frequency playback response? And if so, why has Nak not conformed to the industry standard playback response curve? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From greynolds at newsguy.com Mon Jul 14 01:41:04 2003 From: greynolds at newsguy.com (greynolds at newsguy.com) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 19:41:04 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Using the Naktalk digest with Outlook Express References: <200307132041.h6DKflUu021503@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <004f01c34998$3cd255e0$6401a8c0@reynoldsg2kpro> Ever since the Naktalk list server was upgraded a number of months ago, the digest has become extremely cumbersome to work with, both in Outlook Express and Agent. I've noticed this with some other email lists too - not just NakTalk. In Outlook Express, when I open the digest, I get a short message that has the digest "header" information (unsubscribe information, and the "Today's Topics" list of messages) and an attachment for each message. If I want to read a message, I have to open the attachment for that message. This isn't too bad if I only want to read 1 or 2 of the messages, but is very cumbersome if I want to read everything. In Agent, I get a short message that has the digest "header" information (pretty much just like Outlook Express) and then separate emails for each message, which kind of defeats the purpose of getting the digest format, except that I get all the messages at once instead of sprinkled throughout the day. Aside from switching to the non-digest version of the email list, does anyone have any suggestions on how to get it to work like a traditional digest (one big message that contains everything)? Thanks, -- Geoffrey Reynolds http://www.geocities.com/landrovah/crestron.html From buyer at tiger-tiger.com Mon Jul 14 18:20:50 2003 From: buyer at tiger-tiger.com (Matthew Brody) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 09:20:50 -0700 Subject: [naktalk]How to get inside of a 730 References: Message-ID: <3F12D862.1010700@tiger-tiger.com> I am trying to replace some panel lights inside a Nak 730 receiver. This unit has 471 scews and 37 assorted plates all over it. Removal of screws does not pop open the unit! A small side cover comes loose, and assorted pots become loose, but it leaves me no closer to light access! Any suggestions? matthew brody From p9019 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 14 18:38:30 2003 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 09:38:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi playback response. In-Reply-To: <63.1fd25542.2c442213@aol.com> Message-ID: <20030714163830.429.qmail@web40404.mail.yahoo.com> >Naks have playback response with a high frequency >rise, That is true, at least with the older Nak decks. Tape has non linear frequency response and to compensate you need to boost the highs. You compensate for the highs during recording and some more during playback. How much compensation during playback and record is where early Nak decks and other decks differ. Early Nakamichi decks do less compensation during recording, because it causes the signal to distort earlier and lowers how strong a signal you can record on the tape before distortion occurs. Early Naks do a little more compensation on the playback side. This accounts for Nak tapes sounding dull on other decks and vice versa. The problem started when Nakamichi decided not to adopt the IEC-1983 (I think that's the right number) record/playback equalization standard like everyone else. Supposedly the new standard was to help compensate for the poor head designs at the time, a problem that Nakamichi apparently didn't have. Nakamichi continued to use the older standard and subsequently incurred a bad reputation of not being compatible. I believe that Nakamichi finally adopted the the new standard in the late 80's to early 90's. I believe it was incorporated during the time of the CR series, but, not in early CR-5's and CR-7's. I'm not sure about the Dragon or the RX series which were also produced through that transition period. I know for a fact that there is a version of the MR-1 that has the newer record/playback equalization. It was called the MR-1B, but, you will never see the B on the front or back of the deck. It can only be identified by checking component values inside or by looking for a small white dot sticker on the bottom cover. Scott J. --- RTLehe at aol.com wrote: > I am relatively new to the Nakamichi world. I did > use a 2 head 500 dual > tracer for a short time in the mid 70's, but most of > my more than 2,000 tapes > were made on other decks I owned. I noticed when I > had the 500 that tapes made > on that deck sounded dull on my other decks. For > most of the last 15 years I > have used a Yamaha deck, which I got because of the > play trim, which enabled > me to get good response from the tapes made on the > old Nak. When the Yamaha > finally died I started looking for a new deck, and > was disappointed to find that > there were not many decent decks being make any > more. So I acquired several > used decks on ebay, including some Denons, Yamahas, > Aiwas and a couple of > Naks. I have heard for a long time about a lack of > playback response > compatibility between Naks and other decks. Now I > have had a chance to experience it > first hand again. I have read some theories about a > different head design and > head gap for Naks that makes their recordings not > sound right on other decks. I > do not know about that. But it seems to that what > is really going on is that > the Naks have playback response with a high > frequency rise, which makes tapes > made on other decks sound bright and tapes made on > the Nak sound dull on other > decks. Two questions. Is it true that the Nak > incompatiblility issue is > mainly a matter of their having a rising high > frequency playback response? And > if so, why has Nak not conformed to the industry > standard playback response > curve? > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From smoke at snip.net Mon Jul 14 18:41:32 2003 From: smoke at snip.net (John M. Smokevitch) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 12:41:32 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi playback response. References: <63.1fd25542.2c442213@aol.com> Message-ID: <3F12DD3C.657DB8CC@snip.net> What happened was that Naks were calibrated to the accepted recording industry standard (I don't remember what it was called) but other manufacturers found that hard to do in the cassette medium so they calibrated their decks to a lesser standard which then became the norm for most, but not all (see Revox), other manufacturers, while Nak continued with the official standard. I'm sure other of my NakTalk brethern could give you more details on this. Incidentally I'm going to be selling a lot of my extra eqipment, both Nak and Non-Nak (including a mint ST7), and will be listing it in a day or so on Wouter's sales site. Best regards. John RTLehe at aol.com wrote: > I am relatively new to the Nakamichi world. I did use a 2 head 500 > dual tracer for a short time in the mid 70's, but most of my more than > 2,000 tapes were made on other decks I owned. I noticed when I had > the 500 that tapes made on that deck sounded dull on my other decks. > For most of the last 15 years I have used a Yamaha deck, which I got > because of the play trim, which enabled me to get good response from > the tapes made on the old Nak. When the Yamaha finally died I started > looking for a new deck, and was disappointed to find that there were > not many decent decks being make any more. So I acquired several used > decks on ebay, including some Denons, Yamahas, Aiwas and a couple of > Naks. I have heard for a long time about a lack of playback response > compatibility between Naks and other decks. Now I have had a chance > to experience it first hand again. I have read some theories about a > different head design and head gap for Naks that makes their > recordings not sound right on other decks. I do not know about that. > But it seems to that what is really going on is that the Naks have > playback response with a high frequency rise, which makes tapes made > on other decks sound bright and tapes made on the Nak sound dull on > other decks. Two questions. Is it true that the Nak incompatiblility > issue is mainly a matter of their having a rising high frequency > playback response? And if so, why has Nak not conformed to the > industry standard playback response curve? > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Mon Jul 14 20:22:44 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 23:52:44 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Problem with ZX-9: motors appear to have grown tired Message-ID: <20030714182244.238501149FF@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Tue Jul 15 00:36:47 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 08:36:47 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Problem with ZX-9: motors appear to have grown tire d Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D022020FD@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Spot on Kannan, that sounds like you have hit the nail on the head. My 480 did the same thing in FF REW modes, so I increased the tension on the spring and it works much better now. Good luck Tarun with the ZX9, great deck - own one myself :) Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: kannan_s at vsnl.com [mailto:kannan_s at vsnl.com] Sent: Tuesday, 15 July 2003 4:23 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Problem with ZX-9: motors appear to have grown tired Hi Tarun the symptoms point to the failure of idler rubber which turns the spools - spool drive idler. I had the same problem on my 582 and getting a replacement in India particular is near impossible and in US it may cost good money/luck or both. The replacement requires very good experience with Nak mechanism - I would not advise somebody without any experience at all to touch this piece as it requires dismantling the mechanism apart. Oh! I have done this on my Dragon and 582. You can try one small trick with the spring - you have to open the bottom and front covers to look in to innards of ZX9 mechanism to locate it. This spring applies the pressure on the idler to drive the spool hub with sufficient pressure. Since your idler is worn out there is not enough pressure. You can slightly increase the pressure by manipulating this spring. But be careful trying this ( i used a paper piece to increase the tension and this is a temporary solutuon to your problem. Good luck kannan cptarun at yahoo.co.in wrote Dear all, My first message posting to this list. Bear with me. :) I have a ZX-9. Bought it more than two years back from an audio shop owner in Bandra who is also a Nak lover. (He has a fully functional Dragon for sale. Interested, anyone? :)) Looking at the Nak's condition, it does not appear that anything visible has been replaced. E.g. the head appears very old, and shows signs of mild pitting corrosion. The deck sounds divine. It's absolutely the best sound I've ever heard from a cassette deck in my life. I've also heard a 682ZX, and some not-top-quality non-Nak decks, apart from the usual junk. My deck has decided to suddenly exhibit some very strange symptoms. It appears to get tired pulling the cassette from end to end. If I play a cassette from one end, the deck will play well, sound lovely, till about 80-90% of the side, and then suddenly start running slow, and within half a minute, it will stop. I take out the tape and try winding it by hand and there's nothing wrong with the tape. I put the tape back in and press play, and it starts playing just fine. After maybe a minute, maybe five, it will once again suddenly go slow, then slooooow, then stop. Sometimes if I FF and REW the tape a bit and come back to the same point and play again, it will play for a few minutes more. Sometimes I can coax it to play to the end of the tape this way. Allied symptoms: 1. Fast forward and reverse too seem to show this "feeling tired" symptom. It moves the tape very fast when the outgoing spool has most of the tape. But when the take-up spool has 90% of the tape, e.g. when you've reached, say, 90% of the way while fast-forwarding, then it appears to go very slow. Sometimes it stops. 2. I feel that sometimes, even when it's behaving "normally", it's going steady but a _bit_ slow, thus making the music sound a bit dark. This impression is with some cassettes, not all, and that too not always. 3. It's not that this problem of tape stopping occurs only after 90% of the side has completed. It sometimes occurs in the middle of a tape. It's just more frequent towards the end. I live in Bombay. The humidity here is 110% now, if such a thing were possible. Does this have anything to do with the problem? I've lived though earlier rainy seasons with this deck; it's never behaved this way. Any ideas? Anything I can check? I've never opened any Nak deck, and I'm a bit of a DIY person, but I'm not sure I have the confidence to open a complex mechanical+electrical system like a Nak. Tarun ________________________________________________________________________ Send free SMS using the Yahoo! Messenger. Go to http://in.mobile.yahoo.com/new/pc/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Jul 15 05:08:28 2003 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 21:08:28 -0600 Subject: [naktalk]How to get inside of a 730 References: <3F12D862.1010700@tiger-tiger.com> Message-ID: <023a01c34a7e$6318cbd0$103442cf@steve> If you look on the back panel, at the right end near the phono inputs, you'll see a plastic hole plug. Remove it, and you'll find the release screw for the side panel, which you turn clockwise until the hook latch retracts enough to pop the panel loose. Then, under the edge of the top panel, remove the three philips head screws, and then the three Allen head(hex cup) screws amidst the heatsink fins at the other end of the top panel, then the top panel pops right off. From there, it's fairly self-evident how the front panel assemblage comes off. Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer Talking Dog Transducer Company http://stephensank.com 5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] 505-332-0336 Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer Payments preferred through Paypal.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Brody" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk]How to get inside of a 730 > I am trying to replace some panel lights inside a Nak 730 receiver. This > unit has 471 scews and 37 assorted plates all over it. Removal of screws > does not pop open the unit! A small side cover comes loose, and assorted > pots become loose, but it leaves me no closer to light access! Any > suggestions? > > matthew brody > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Jul 15 05:13:11 2003 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 21:13:11 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Problem with ZX-9: motors appear to have grown tired References: <20030714081643.30197.qmail@web8203.mail.in.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <023b01c34a7f$067ccc90$103442cf@steve> The most likely cause of the problem, which sounds like the capstan motor is stalling, is a faulty IC on the servo circuit board, which is the small board mounted directly to the capstan motor unit. It is IC502, which is a simple, 4558-type, dual opamp IC. Replace it with a M5218AP, which is made by Mitsubishi, and is the only IC that's 100% reliable in ZX-9 & Dragon servos. Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer Talking Dog Transducer Company http://stephensank.com 5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] 505-332-0336 Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer Payments preferred through Paypal.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chandra Tarun" To: Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 2:16 AM Subject: [naktalk] Problem with ZX-9: motors appear to have grown tired > Dear all, > > My first message posting to this list. Bear with me. > :) > > I have a ZX-9. Bought it more than two years back from > an audio shop owner in Bandra who is also a Nak lover. > (He has a fully functional Dragon for sale. > Interested, > anyone? :)) Looking at the Nak's condition, it does > not > appear that anything visible has been replaced. E.g. > the head appears very old, and shows signs of mild > pitting corrosion. > > The deck sounds divine. It's absolutely the best sound > I've ever heard from a cassette deck in my life. I've > also heard a 682ZX, and some not-top-quality non-Nak > decks, apart from the usual junk. > > My deck has decided to suddenly exhibit some very > strange symptoms. It appears to get tired pulling > the cassette from end to end. If I play a cassette > from one end, the deck will play well, sound lovely, > till about 80-90% of the side, and then suddenly > start running slow, and within half a minute, it will > stop. I take out the tape and try winding it by hand > and there's nothing wrong with the tape. I put the > tape back in and press play, and it starts playing > just fine. After maybe a minute, maybe five, it will > once again suddenly go slow, then slooooow, then > stop. Sometimes if I FF and REW the tape a bit > and come back to the same point and play again, it > will play for a few minutes more. Sometimes I can > coax it to play to the end of the tape this way. > > Allied symptoms: > > 1. Fast forward and reverse too seem to show this > "feeling tired" symptom. It moves the tape > very fast when the outgoing spool has most of the > tape. But when the take-up spool has 90% of > the tape, e.g. when you've reached, say, 90% of > the way while fast-forwarding, then it appears > to go very slow. Sometimes it stops. > > 2. I feel that sometimes, even when it's behaving > "normally", it's going steady but a _bit_ slow, > thus making the music sound a bit dark. This > impression is with some cassettes, not all, and > that too not always. > > 3. It's not that this problem of tape stopping occurs > only after 90% of the side has completed. It > sometimes occurs in the middle of a tape. It's > just more frequent towards the end. > > I live in Bombay. The humidity here is 110% now, if > such a thing were possible. Does this have anything > to do with the problem? I've lived though earlier > rainy seasons with this deck; it's never behaved > this way. > > Any ideas? Anything I can check? > > I've never opened any Nak deck, and I'm a bit of a > DIY person, but I'm not sure I have the confidence > to open a complex mechanical+electrical system like > a Nak. > > Tarun > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Send free SMS using the Yahoo! Messenger. Go to http://in.mobile.yahoo.com/new/pc/ > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > From 75541.100 at compuserve.com Tue Jul 15 08:04:57 2003 From: 75541.100 at compuserve.com (Compudude) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 02:04:57 -0400 Subject: [naktalk]How to get inside of a 730 Message-ID: <200307150205_MC3-1-427F-B187@compuserve.com> Hi Matthew, I have the nak730 setup at home, which I bought from ebay several months, maybe a year ago. I consider myself pretty good in fixing electronic equipment, but this thing really is like a jigsaw puzzle. I have the 730 tightly fixed in my cabinet, therefore I will try to explain as I remember. The reason I took it apart was similar to yours, in my case the lights all are fine, but some of them are blurred. I thought I could open it up and clean, but it turned out to be that the clear plastic which covers the lights was deformed (either by excessive heat or some funny cleaning material the previous owner has used). Anyways, you will need a rather long 3mm (I think) hex wrench, which could go through the blades of the cooler panel. You need to remove the upper 3 screws on the cooler panel. The flat panel on the other side comes out when you turn the embedded screw in the rear panel. I just checked the picture in the users manual, there is a plastic cap hiding this screw. Mine did not have it. This screw does not come out, you just turn it several times to release the side panel. Inside the side panel there are another set of 3 screws on the top holding the top panel. If I remember correctly, after removing these screws (3 on each side) the top panel comes out. Then you will probably find all the other screws necessary to remove the front assembly. The thing comes out as a big piece (whole front panel). I remember unplugging a bunch of cables which go to front panel controls. Then you need to further operate the front panel assembly until you can get to the light bulbs.. I hope this helps. Have fun...! _Fuad Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Matthew Brody Precedence: list Subject: Re: [naktalk]How to get inside of a 730 Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 09:20:50 -0700 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks References: Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <3F12D862.1010700 at tiger-tiger.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Message: 9 I am trying to replace some panel lights inside a Nak 730 receiver. This unit has 471 scews and 37 assorted plates all over it. Removal of screws does not pop open the unit! A small side cover comes loose, and assorted pots become loose, but it leaves me no closer to light access! Any suggestions? matthew brody < From buyer at tiger-tiger.com Tue Jul 15 17:23:27 2003 From: buyer at tiger-tiger.com (Matthew Brody) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 08:23:27 -0700 Subject: [naktalk]How to get inside of a 730 References: <200307150205_MC3-1-427F-B187@compuserve.com> Message-ID: <3F141C6F.40201@tiger-tiger.com> Thanks to _Fuad and Stephen Sank! I KNEW that that there was some sneaky disassembly trick! It is just to pretty a unit to work on with BIG hammers and chisels! The era of the captive fasteners! Does this use light bulbs or LEDs? I have a fairly complete electronics store nearby. The unit works perfectly--and when I got it, so did all the lights.... I may also change out those stupid spring clips for 5 way posts. mb From Jo2jo64 at aol.com Wed Jul 16 06:47:53 2003 From: Jo2jo64 at aol.com (Jo2jo64 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 00:47:53 EDT Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nak TA-3A Message-ID: <79.156d5fd9.2c4632f9@aol.com> Hello everyone: I have the blues! I loaned my receiver to a friend. I installed it, it worked fine. The next day I stopped by and the power switch was blinking. I checked everything. I have no idea what could have gone wrong. All connections are ok. Speakers are 8 OHMS. My buddy is old enough that he would not play it too loud to hurt it! I removed everything and it still does it! Does anybody have an idea as to what could be wrong with it. I removed the cover and the only slow fuse that I found is fine. Help! Is it expensive to fix? Thanks, Jose -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Jul 16 06:51:13 2003 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 22:51:13 -0600 Subject: [naktalk]How to get inside of a 730 References: <200307150205_MC3-1-427F-B187@compuserve.com> <3F141C6F.40201@tiger-tiger.com> Message-ID: <031401c34b55$ea262e60$103442cf@steve> Don't have the service manual handy right now, but I believe all of the lamps are 12v/35mA spec, and tiny(about 2mm w x 4mm h), with bare leads for board mount soldering. The range of tolerance on the lamp specs is 12-15volts, 30-60mA. Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer Talking Dog Transducer Company http://stephensank.com 5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] 505-332-0336 Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer Payments preferred through Paypal.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Brody" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 9:23 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk]How to get inside of a 730 > Thanks to _Fuad and Stephen Sank! > > I KNEW that that there was some sneaky disassembly trick! It is just to > pretty a unit to work on with BIG hammers and chisels! The era of the > captive fasteners! Does this use light bulbs or LEDs? I have a fairly > complete electronics store nearby. The unit works perfectly--and when I > got it, so did all the lights.... I may also change out those stupid > spring clips for 5 way posts. > > mb > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jul 16 09:59:19 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 08:59:19 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Quality of today's cassette shells In-Reply-To: <001201c34969$59c9d8a0$8bf4c1cf@jnorris.ttu.edu> Message-ID: <000001c34b70$29233760$14894c51@oemcomputer> A problem with some of the cheaper shell cases (European assembled TDK being a classic example) is that they do not all fit into the deck properly, causing azimuth alignment errors. For example, I find I have to re-set the azimuth setting for each side of a modern European made TDK SA cassette. I never have this problem with EMTECs. Graham > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Michael S. Yoder > Sent: 13 July 2003 19:05 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: [naktalk] Quality of today's cassette shells > > > Hi all, > > A few weeks ago, there was some discussion on this list about cassette > formulations (metal vs. chrome, etc.), and I recall vaguely a posting (I > don't recall whose) that lamented the cheap quality of today's cassette > shells, and the fact that no longer do we see those little screws in the > corners holding the shells together. > > Lately I've been stocking up on chrome and metal tapes as best I can, and > have recently purchased TDK SA 90 ("assembled in Thailand, tape made in > Japan"), Sony Metal XR 60 ("made in E.U."), Sony UX 90 > ("assembled in Mexico > of U.S. or Japan components"), and Sony UX-Pro 60 ("Made in Mexico"). > > Sonically, all are great on my Nak. DR-3 and Sony KA3ES. But, the shells > just look cheaper to me than prior versions of these tapes (except for > UX-Pro, which I had never heard of until yesterday. I'm told > these are made > for the still-thriving Latin American cassette market). I can see screws > inside of the see-through plastic shell in the usual corner > locations on the > Sony UX, and I can see little round bumps in the plastic of the TDK SA > where the screws normally are, indicating there may be screws > inside those, > too. > > Thankfully, the TDK SA-X 60s I've been getting via mail order have nice > shells. > > The question: Is there reason to be concerned? If so, what kinds of > problems might "cheaper" shells create, if in fact they are the results of > the companies cutting corners? > > Thanks. > Michael Y. > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.501 / Virus Database: 299 - Release Date: 14/07/03 From rtl at noctrl.edu Wed Jul 16 14:57:43 2003 From: rtl at noctrl.edu (Robert Lehe) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 07:57:43 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi playback response. In-Reply-To: <20030714163830.429.qmail@web40404.mail.yahoo.com> References: <63.1fd25542.2c442213@aol.com> <20030714163830.429.qmail@web40404.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <35741.64.12.96.236.1058360263.squirrel@www.noctrl.edu> Thanks for the explanation. It makes sense and is consistent with my observations. I hope you are right about the CR series--I just won a CR1a on ebay. It hasnt arrived yet, but I am hoping it is a better match than my BX300 to my existing tapes. Tad >>Naks have playback response with a high frequency >>rise, > > That is true, at least with the older Nak decks. Tape > has non linear frequency response and to compensate > you need to boost the highs. You compensate for the > highs during recording and some more during playback. > How much compensation during playback and record is > where early Nak decks and other decks differ. Early > Nakamichi decks do less compensation during recording, > because it causes the signal to distort earlier and > lowers how strong a signal you can record on the tape > before distortion occurs. Early Naks do a little more > compensation on the playback side. This accounts for > Nak tapes sounding dull on other decks and vice versa. > > > The problem started when Nakamichi decided not to > adopt the IEC-1983 (I think that's the right number) > record/playback equalization standard like everyone > else. Supposedly the new standard was to help > compensate for the poor head designs at the time, a > problem that Nakamichi apparently didn't have. > Nakamichi continued to use the older standard and > subsequently incurred a bad reputation of not being > compatible. I believe that Nakamichi finally adopted > the the new standard in the late 80's to early 90's. > I believe it was incorporated during the time of the > CR series, but, not in early CR-5's and CR-7's. I'm > not sure about the Dragon or the RX series which were > also produced through that transition period. I know > for a fact that there is a version of the MR-1 that > has the newer record/playback equalization. It was > called the MR-1B, but, you will never see the B on the > front or back of the deck. It can only be identified > by checking component values inside or by looking for > a small white dot sticker on the bottom cover. > > Scott J. > > > > --- RTLehe at aol.com wrote: >> I am relatively new to the Nakamichi world. I did >> use a 2 head 500 dual >> tracer for a short time in the mid 70's, but most of >> my more than 2,000 tapes >> were made on other decks I owned. I noticed when I >> had the 500 that tapes made >> on that deck sounded dull on my other decks. For >> most of the last 15 years I >> have used a Yamaha deck, which I got because of the >> play trim, which enabled >> me to get good response from the tapes made on the >> old Nak. When the Yamaha >> finally died I started looking for a new deck, and >> was disappointed to find that >> there were not many decent decks being make any >> more. So I acquired several >> used decks on ebay, including some Denons, Yamahas, >> Aiwas and a couple of >> Naks. I have heard for a long time about a lack of >> playback response >> compatibility between Naks and other decks. Now I >> have had a chance to experience it >> first hand again. I have read some theories about a >> different head design and >> head gap for Naks that makes their recordings not >> sound right on other decks. I >> do not know about that. But it seems to that what >> is really going on is that >> the Naks have playback response with a high >> frequency rise, which makes tapes >> made on other decks sound bright and tapes made on >> the Nak sound dull on other >> decks. Two questions. Is it true that the Nak >> incompatiblility issue is >> mainly a matter of their having a rising high >> frequency playback response? And >> if so, why has Nak not conformed to the industry >> standard playback response >> curve? >> > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com >> mailinglist >> To maintain your account please go here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From buyer at tiger-tiger.com Wed Jul 16 17:31:15 2003 From: buyer at tiger-tiger.com (Matthew Brody) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 08:31:15 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi playback response. References: <63.1fd25542.2c442213@aol.com> <20030714163830.429.qmail@web40404.mail.yahoo.com> <35741.64.12.96.236.1058360263.squirrel@www.noctrl.edu> Message-ID: <3F156FC3.6000906@tiger-tiger.com> I have just started doing recordings with my latest acquisition, a CR-7A. THe tapes even sound good on the stock Toyota cassette player! On my Denon they are superb! mb Robert Lehe wrote: >Thanks for the explanation. It makes sense and is consistent with my >observations. I hope you are right about the CR series--I just won a CR1a >on ebay. It hasnt arrived yet, but I am hoping it is a better match than >my BX300 to my existing tapes. > >Tad > > > > > >>>Naks have playback response with a high frequency >>>rise, >>> >>> >>That is true, at least with the older Nak decks. Tape >>has non linear frequency response and to compensate >>you need to boost the highs. You compensate for the >>highs during recording and some more during playback. >>How much compensation during playback and record is >>where early Nak decks and other decks differ. Early >>Nakamichi decks do less compensation during recording, >>because it causes the signal to distort earlier and >>lowers how strong a signal you can record on the tape >>before distortion occurs. Early Naks do a little more >>compensation on the playback side. This accounts for >>Nak tapes sounding dull on other decks and vice versa. >> >> >>The problem started when Nakamichi decided not to >>adopt the IEC-1983 (I think that's the right number) >>record/playback equalization standard like everyone >>else. Supposedly the new standard was to help >>compensate for the poor head designs at the time, a >>problem that Nakamichi apparently didn't have. >>Nakamichi continued to use the older standard and >>subsequently incurred a bad reputation of not being >>compatible. I believe that Nakamichi finally adopted >>the the new standard in the late 80's to early 90's. >>I believe it was incorporated during the time of the >>CR series, but, not in early CR-5's and CR-7's. I'm >>not sure about the Dragon or the RX series which were >>also produced through that transition period. I know >>for a fact that there is a version of the MR-1 that >>has the newer record/playback equalization. It was >>called the MR-1B, but, you will never see the B on the >>front or back of the deck. It can only be identified >>by checking component values inside or by looking for >>a small white dot sticker on the bottom cover. >> >>Scott J. >> >> >> >>--- RTLehe at aol.com wrote: >> >> >>>I am relatively new to the Nakamichi world. I did >>>use a 2 head 500 dual >>>tracer for a short time in the mid 70's, but most of >>>my more than 2,000 tapes >>>were made on other decks I owned. I noticed when I >>>had the 500 that tapes made >>>on that deck sounded dull on my other decks. For >>>most of the last 15 years I >>>have used a Yamaha deck, which I got because of the >>>play trim, which enabled >>>me to get good response from the tapes made on the >>>old Nak. When the Yamaha >>>finally died I started looking for a new deck, and >>>was disappointed to find that >>>there were not many decent decks being make any >>>more. So I acquired several >>>used decks on ebay, including some Denons, Yamahas, >>>Aiwas and a couple of >>>Naks. I have heard for a long time about a lack of >>>playback response >>>compatibility between Naks and other decks. Now I >>>have had a chance to experience it >>>first hand again. I have read some theories about a >>>different head design and >>>head gap for Naks that makes their recordings not >>>sound right on other decks. I >>>do not know about that. But it seems to that what >>>is really going on is that >>>the Naks have playback response with a high >>>frequency rise, which makes tapes >>>made on other decks sound bright and tapes made on >>>the Nak sound dull on other >>>decks. Two questions. Is it true that the Nak >>>incompatiblility issue is >>>mainly a matter of their having a rising high >>>frequency playback response? And >>>if so, why has Nak not conformed to the industry >>>standard playback response >>>curve? >>> >>> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >>> Naktalk at naks.com >>>mailinglist >>>To maintain your account please go here: >>>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >>> >>> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >>__________________________________ >>Do you Yahoo!? >>SBC Yahoo! 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URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 16 18:18:32 2003 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 09:18:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk]How to get inside of a 730 In-Reply-To: <031401c34b55$ea262e60$103442cf@steve> Message-ID: <20030716161832.56134.qmail@web40410.mail.yahoo.com> I checked my 730 manual and there are two different lamps. T4.2 Lamps Nakamichi P/N 0B08465A The Volume PCB has three T3 Lamps Nakamichi P/N 0B08466A The Lamp PCB has three The Tuning Sensor PCB has 8 The Function Sensor PCB has 10 The service manuals doesn't seem to have the specs on the lamps. The schematic shows them running off the +12V rail (or -12V rail in the case of the three volume PCB lamps), but, they put series resistors inline to limit the current. Scott J. --- Stephen Sank wrote: > Don't have the service manual handy right now, but I > believe all of the > lamps are 12v/35mA spec, and tiny(about 2mm w x 4mm > h), with bare leads for > board mount soldering. The range of tolerance on > the lamp specs is > 12-15volts, 30-60mA. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer > Talking Dog Transducer Company > http://stephensank.com > 5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] > 505-332-0336 > Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer > Payments preferred through Paypal.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matthew Brody" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 9:23 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk]How to get inside of a 730 > > > > Thanks to _Fuad and Stephen Sank! > > > > I KNEW that that there was some sneaky disassembly > trick! It is just to > > pretty a unit to work on with BIG hammers and > chisels! The era of the > > captive fasteners! Does this use light bulbs or > LEDs? I have a fairly > > complete electronics store nearby. The unit works > perfectly--and when I > > got it, so did all the lights.... I may also > change out those stupid > > spring clips for 5 way posts. > > > > mb > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From bruce.embry at worldnet.att.net Thu Jul 17 03:41:35 2003 From: bruce.embry at worldnet.att.net (Bruce Embry) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 21:41:35 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi playback response. References: <63.1fd25542.2c442213@aol.com> <20030714163830.429.qmail@web40404.mail.yahoo.com><35741.64.12.96.236.1058360263.squirrel@www.noctrl.edu> <3F156FC3.6000906@tiger-tiger.com> Message-ID: <001c01c34c04$8f63fa20$25495d0c@workj23t0maj37> Hi all, This is real funny about the frequency compensation on the Naks deck. The reason I said it real funny is because I have cassette tapes recorded on many different high end three head and two head recorders. Here is the list Teac A-100 recorded with Dolby B Teac A-450 recorded with Dolby B. Aka GXC-740D: tapes here recorded with Dolby B or external DBX 224x Akkia GX-8 tape recorded with this deck are all DBX. Now I have the tape deck I always wanted Naks Tri Tracer 700, yes its 30 years old. And all of my early tapes sound fantastic. The high are there, the low are there, the music is all there. The funny thing is that these tapes have not degraded. They are TDK ADs & SXs, Maxell XL-II ETC. Even the DBX tapes that when played though the 700 and the DBX 224x sound great too. By the way, the GXC-740D is in the closet, the post tape guide is wore out and can't be replace. The first tape guide is in perfect shape. Thank God that the Nak only uses one tape guide, maybe it will hold up better. The GX-8 has a head alignment problem, I am going to have it fix someday. I sold the TEAC A-450 when I purchase the GXC-740D back in 1978. Yes I have tapes recorded before 1978 on the TEAC A-450 and they play perfectly on the NAK. So guys and gals I going to disagree with you! You have to remember that during the recording process Dolby B & C will boost the high frequencies, compressing them to a high level. During playback the high frequencies are return back to normal. If Dolby B & C levels are not match perfectly match, then a boost or cut in high frequency response can occur upon playback. The DBX system requires that the record / playback process has the same frequency response. If there was a drastic difference in the frequency response between my GXC-740 and GX-8 and the Nak, then there would be pumping when playing my DBX encoded tapes. ===================================================== Bruce A Embry ===================================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthew Brody To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi playback response. I have just started doing recordings with my latest acquisition, a CR-7A. THe tapes even sound good on the stock Toyota cassette player! On my Denon they are superb! mb Robert Lehe wrote: Thanks for the explanation. It makes sense and is consistent with my observations. I hope you are right about the CR series--I just won a CR1a on ebay. It hasnt arrived yet, but I am hoping it is a better match than my BX300 to my existing tapes. Tad Naks have playback response with a high frequency rise, That is true, at least with the older Nak decks. Tape has non linear frequency response and to compensate you need to boost the highs. You compensate for the highs during recording and some more during playback. How much compensation during playback and record is where early Nak decks and other decks differ. Early Nakamichi decks do less compensation during recording, because it causes the signal to distort earlier and lowers how strong a signal you can record on the tape before distortion occurs. Early Naks do a little more compensation on the playback side. This accounts for Nak tapes sounding dull on other decks and vice versa. The problem started when Nakamichi decided not to adopt the IEC-1983 (I think that's the right number) record/playback equalization standard like everyone else. Supposedly the new standard was to help compensate for the poor head designs at the time, a problem that Nakamichi apparently didn't have. Nakamichi continued to use the older standard and subsequently incurred a bad reputation of not being compatible. I believe that Nakamichi finally adopted the the new standard in the late 80's to early 90's. I believe it was incorporated during the time of the CR series, but, not in early CR-5's and CR-7's. I'm not sure about the Dragon or the RX series which were also produced through that transition period. I know for a fact that there is a version of the MR-1 that has the newer record/playback equalization. It was called the MR-1B, but, you will never see the B on the front or back of the deck. It can only be identified by checking component values inside or by looking for a small white dot sticker on the bottom cover. Scott J. --- RTLehe at aol.com wrote: I am relatively new to the Nakamichi world. I did use a 2 head 500 dual tracer for a short time in the mid 70's, but most of my more than 2,000 tapes were made on other decks I owned. I noticed when I had the 500 that tapes made on that deck sounded dull on my other decks. For most of the last 15 years I have used a Yamaha deck, which I got because of the play trim, which enabled me to get good response from the tapes made on the old Nak. When the Yamaha finally died I started looking for a new deck, and was disappointed to find that there were not many decent decks being make any more. So I acquired several used decks on ebay, including some Denons, Yamahas, Aiwas and a couple of Naks. I have heard for a long time about a lack of playback response compatibility between Naks and other decks. Now I have had a chance to experience it first hand again. I have read some theories about a different head design and head gap for Naks that makes their recordings not sound right on other decks. I do not know about that. But it seems to that what is really going on is that the Naks have playback response with a high frequency rise, which makes tapes made on other decks sound bright and tapes made on the Nak sound dull on other decks. Two questions. Is it true that the Nak incompatiblility issue is mainly a matter of their having a rising high frequency playback response? And if so, why has Nak not conformed to the industry standard playback response curve? ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! 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URL: From cptarun at yahoo.co.in Thu Jul 17 09:04:57 2003 From: cptarun at yahoo.co.in (=?iso-8859-1?q?Chandra=20Tarun?=) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 08:04:57 +0100 (BST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: ZX-9: motors appears to grow tired In-Reply-To: <200307161312.h6GDBoUw030674@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <20030717070457.91723.qmail@web8205.mail.in.yahoo.com> Dear Kannan, Tom and Stephen, Thanks a lot for your feedback. :) I now know that it's likely that I'll either have to change an idler for the spool drivers, or an IC on a PCB which controls the servos. Depends on whether the spool driving motors or the capstan motors are the problem. (Did I get that right?) I guess I can't complain; a 15-year-old deck is permitted to show a bit of component failures. :) And to cap that, I don't know what the hot and super- humid climate of Bombay does to a ZX-9. I am not competent enough to attempt either repair myself; I'll have to take it to someone who has done such things before. The IC that Stephen mentions will probably be available in Bombay. The idler (specially since I'll want an original Nak idler if possible) will almost certainly not. I guess I'll just have to wait till I get a chance to visit the US next, and then ask Stephen to personally take a look at it. (You still accept assignments for Nak repair and refurbishing, don't you? Most Nak lovers on the Net seem to swear by your expertise.) But thanks enormously for responding. Somehow makes me feel that I can reach people who understand my deck's problems. Without this list, living in Bombay, one feels terribly left-out when faced with even the smallest problem with a good audio system. Most people in my friends' circle in the physical world don't know what "three-head deck" means. :) While on the subject of my deck, do you feel that I need to worry about those tiny pit-like marks on the heads? I don't know whether they're really pitting corrosion, I said it because that's the first thing that came to my mind --- I have a B.Tech in Metallurgical Engineering. :) I would have thought that a deck head in good condition would have a perfectly smooth and shiny surface; mine certainly doesn't, except for the erase head. It sounds lovely to me, but then I've never heard other Naks in better condition, or recently refurbished pieces. Do you feel it's generally a good idea to replace the set of heads now that the deck is this old... sort of like preventive maintenance? I know I want to use a deck of this quality for a few more decades... I'll always have cassettes. (Pre-recorded cassettes keep getting released in India with content which will never be published on CD, specially in Indian Classical music.) Warm regards and thanks a million, Tarun ________________________________________________________________________ Send free SMS using the Yahoo! Messenger. Go to http://in.mobile.yahoo.com/new/pc/ From HenwayDTV at cox.net Thu Jul 17 06:45:39 2003 From: HenwayDTV at cox.net (HenwayDTV) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 21:45:39 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR-3A problems Message-ID: <001601c34c1e$494b3020$6500a8c0@HENWAYDTV> Newbie here--had my CR-3A since new (scraped all my money together when I was a student) but haven't used it much recently. When I went to use it it wouldn't play. With no cassette in and closing the door the spindle spins but when I put in a cassette it doesn't spin at all. The Stop LED stays on and if I hit FF or Play or Rewind the stop LED briefly turns off, nothing happens, and then the stop LED turns on again. I scoured the archive and couldn't find anything about this specific problem, especially since everyone is focused on the high end Naks out there. Haven't taken it apart yet, nor do I have a manual yet, but although I am a DIY kind of guy, it's probably easier to mess it up badly than fix it without the proper information. Any thoughts out there? Anyone with a manual? I'm on Cox so they allow large files. Thanks much in advance, Jason -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From buyer at tiger-tiger.com Thu Jul 17 10:40:50 2003 From: buyer at tiger-tiger.com (Matthew Brody) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 01:40:50 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR-3A problems References: <001601c34c1e$494b3020$6500a8c0@HENWAYDTV> Message-ID: <3F166112.60303@tiger-tiger.com> I have had a Bx-125 on my workbench. It exhibited similar symptoms. It turned out the the lube on th nylon worm gear that actuates the cam driving the head assembly an the hub function were all gucked up. The original lube became too sticky. I cleaned the mess with IP and 'forced the operation many times by givint the gears a small push. I them wiped off as much of the resulting muck as possible an used fres silicon grease. agai i cycled it a bunch of times and the problem seems to have cleared up. You need no manual for this--just examine the mechanism! mb HenwayDTV wrote: > Newbie here--had my CR-3A since new (scraped all my money together > when I was a student) but haven't used it much recently. When I went > to use it it wouldn't play. > With no cassette in and closing the door the spindle spins but when I > put in a cassette it doesn't spin at all. > The Stop LED stays on and if I hit FF or Play or Rewind the stop LED > briefly turns off, nothing happens, and then the stop LED turns on again. > I scoured the archive and couldn't find anything about this specific > problem, especially since everyone is focused on the high end Naks out > there. Haven't taken it apart yet, nor do I have a manual yet, but > although I am a DIY kind of guy, it's probably easier to mess it up > badly than fix it without the proper information. > > Any thoughts out there? > Anyone with a manual? I'm on Cox so they allow large files. > > > Thanks much in advance, > Jason > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Jul 17 18:26:37 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 23:26:37 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR-3A problems References: <001601c34c1e$494b3020$6500a8c0@HENWAYDTV> <3F166112.60303@tiger-tiger.com> Message-ID: <000e01c34c80$32b42ee0$c6299bca@smarzuki> Hi Matthew and Jason, More likely this was caused by dirty 'brush' inside that cam mode motor. The solution is to open up that motor, clean the 2 tiny brushes using alcohol and spray contact cleaner. Be very careful as even a cotton swab can ruin the brushes. However as Matt said a push pull and twist on the shaft can also (sometimes) work as it in effect cleaned the carbon build up inside motor. I'd suggest getting a replacement generic motor before prying open the original one. BTW this is a common fault on CRs / sankyo mechanisms. Good luck ! Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthew Brody To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 3:40 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-3A problems I have had a Bx-125 on my workbench. It exhibited similar symptoms. It turned out the the lube on th nylon worm gear that actuates the cam driving the head assembly an the hub function were all gucked up. The original lube became too sticky. I cleaned the mess with IP and 'forced the operation many times by givint the gears a small push. I them wiped off as much of the resulting muck as possible an used fres silicon grease. agai i cycled it a bunch of times and the problem seems to have cleared up. You need no manual for this--just examine the mechanism! mb HenwayDTV wrote: Newbie here--had my CR-3A since new (scraped all my money together when I was a student) but haven't used it much recently. When I went to use it it wouldn't play. With no cassette in and closing the door the spindle spins but when I put in a cassette it doesn't spin at all. The Stop LED stays on and if I hit FF or Play or Rewind the stop LED briefly turns off, nothing happens, and then the stop LED turns on again. I scoured the archive and couldn't find anything about this specific problem, especially since everyone is focused on the high end Naks out there. Haven't taken it apart yet, nor do I have a manual yet, but although I am a DIY kind of guy, it's probably easier to mess it up badly than fix it without the proper information. Any thoughts out there? Anyone with a manual? I'm on Cox so they allow large files. Thanks much in advance, Jason From jvbrhg at seanet.com Thu Jul 17 18:15:14 2003 From: jvbrhg at seanet.com (Babin/Greseth) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 09:15:14 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Which Brand of Tape...? Message-ID: <000801c34c7e$9d08dd60$d11c0cd0@r7g1f8> Nak Dudes-- I have a Nak 680zx. I have always pretty much used Maxell II type tape, although I occasionally have used TDK. Most of the communications on the website indicate that Nak users prefer TDK. Your thoughts please. Randall in Seattle, Washington, USA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 17 19:25:30 2003 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 10:25:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi playback response. In-Reply-To: <001c01c34c04$8f63fa20$25495d0c@workj23t0maj37> Message-ID: <20030717172530.88460.qmail@web40410.mail.yahoo.com> The different between the old and new record equalization is fairly minor. I think it's only about 2dB difference at 18 kHz. Probably not really noticeable. A slight azimuth error would be far more noticeable. Scott J. --- Bruce Embry wrote: > Hi all, > This is real funny about the frequency compensation > on the Naks deck. The reason I said it real funny > is because I have cassette tapes recorded on many > different high end three head and two head > recorders. Here is the list > Teac A-100 recorded with Dolby B > Teac A-450 recorded with Dolby B. > Aka GXC-740D: tapes here recorded with Dolby B or > external DBX 224x > Akkia GX-8 tape recorded with this deck are all DBX. > > > Now I have the tape deck I always wanted Naks Tri > Tracer 700, yes its 30 years old. > And all of my early tapes sound fantastic. The high > are there, the low are there, the music is all > there. The funny thing is that these tapes have not > degraded. They are TDK ADs & SXs, Maxell XL-II ETC. > > > Even the DBX tapes that when played though the 700 > and the DBX 224x sound great too. > > By the way, the GXC-740D is in the closet, the post > tape guide is wore out and can't be replace. The > first tape guide is in perfect shape. Thank God > that the Nak only uses one tape guide, maybe it will > hold up better. The GX-8 has a head alignment > problem, I am going to have it fix someday. I sold > the TEAC A-450 when I purchase the GXC-740D back in > 1978. Yes I have tapes recorded before 1978 on the > TEAC A-450 and they play perfectly on the NAK. > > So guys and gals I going to disagree with you! > > You have to remember that during the recording > process Dolby B & C will boost the high frequencies, > compressing them to a high level. During playback > the high frequencies are return back to normal. > If Dolby B & C levels are not match perfectly match, > then a boost or cut in high frequency response can > occur upon playback. > > The DBX system requires that the record / playback > process has the same frequency response. > If there was a drastic difference in the frequency > response between my GXC-740 and GX-8 and the Nak, > then there would be pumping when playing my DBX > encoded tapes. > > ===================================================== > Bruce A Embry > ===================================================== > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Matthew Brody > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 11:31 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi playback > response. > > > I have just started doing recordings with my > latest acquisition, a CR-7A. THe tapes even sound > good on the stock Toyota cassette player! On my > Denon they are superb! > > mb > > Robert Lehe wrote: > > Thanks for the explanation. It makes sense and is > consistent with my > observations. I hope you are right about the CR > series--I just won a CR1a > on ebay. It hasnt arrived yet, but I am hoping it > is a better match than > my BX300 to my existing tapes. > > Tad > > > > Naks have playback response with a high frequency > rise, > That is true, at least with the older Nak > decks. Tape > has non linear frequency response and to compensate > you need to boost the highs. You compensate for the > highs during recording and some more during > playback. > How much compensation during playback and record is > where early Nak decks and other decks differ. Early > Nakamichi decks do less compensation during > recording, > because it causes the signal to distort earlier and > lowers how strong a signal you can record on the > tape > before distortion occurs. Early Naks do a little > more > compensation on the playback side. This accounts > for > Nak tapes sounding dull on other decks and vice > versa. > > > The problem started when Nakamichi decided not to > adopt the IEC-1983 (I think that's the right number) > record/playback equalization standard like everyone > else. Supposedly the new standard was to help > compensate for the poor head designs at the time, a > problem that Nakamichi apparently didn't have. > Nakamichi continued to use the older standard and > subsequently incurred a bad reputation of not being > compatible. I believe that Nakamichi finally > adopted > the the new standard in the late 80's to early 90's. > I believe it was incorporated during the time of the > CR series, but, not in early CR-5's and CR-7's. I'm > not sure about the Dragon or the RX series which > were > also produced through that transition period. I > know > for a fact that there is a version of the MR-1 that > has the newer record/playback equalization. It was > called the MR-1B, but, you will never see the B on > the > front or back of the deck. It can only be > identified > by checking component values inside or by looking > for > a small white dot sticker on the bottom cover. > > Scott J. > > > > --- RTLehe at aol.com wrote: > I am relatively new to the Nakamichi world. I > did > use a 2 head 500 dual > tracer for a short time in the mid 70's, but most of > my more than 2,000 tapes > were made on other decks I owned. I noticed when I > had the 500 that tapes made > on that deck sounded dull on my other decks. For > most of the last 15 years I > have used a Yamaha deck, which I got because of the > play trim, which enabled > me to get good response from the tapes made on the > old Nak. When the Yamaha > finally died I started looking for a new deck, and > was disappointed to find that > there were not many decent decks being make any > more. So I acquired several > used decks on ebay, including some Denons, Yamahas, > Aiwas and a couple of > Naks. I have heard for a long time about a lack of > playback response > compatibility between Naks and other decks. Now I > have had a chance to experience it > first hand again. I have read some theories about a > different head design and > head gap for Naks that makes their recordings not > sound right on other decks. I > do not know about that. But it seems to that what > is really going on is that > the Naks have playback response with a high > frequency rise, which makes tapes > made on other decks sound bright and tapes made on > the Nak sound dull on other > decks. Two questions. Is it true that the Nak > incompatiblility issue is > mainly a matter of their having a rising high > frequency playback response? And > if so, why has Nak not conformed to the industry > standard playback response > curve? > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! 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DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From kannan_s at vsnl.com Thu Jul 17 21:39:05 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 01:09:05 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 Play Pauses Instead of Playing Message-ID: <20030717193905.A999E114915@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From rtl at noctrl.edu Thu Jul 17 21:54:17 2003 From: rtl at noctrl.edu (Robert Lehe) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 14:54:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi playback response. References: <20030717172530.88460.qmail@web40410.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3F16FEE9.2050609@noctrl.edu> I based on the fact that my treble control has got to go to about 10 o'clock when playing tapes made on my other decks on my BX300, I gotta think it is more like 3 db at 10k hz. Tad Scott Johnson wrote: >The different between the old and new record >equalization is fairly minor. I think it's only about >2dB difference at 18 kHz. Probably not really >noticeable. A slight azimuth error would be far more >noticeable. > >Scott J. > >--- Bruce Embry wrote: > > >>Hi all, >>This is real funny about the frequency compensation >>on the Naks deck. The reason I said it real funny >>is because I have cassette tapes recorded on many >>different high end three head and two head >>recorders. Here is the list >>Teac A-100 recorded with Dolby B >>Teac A-450 recorded with Dolby B. >>Aka GXC-740D: tapes here recorded with Dolby B or >>external DBX 224x >>Akkia GX-8 tape recorded with this deck are all DBX. >> >> >>Now I have the tape deck I always wanted Naks Tri >>Tracer 700, yes its 30 years old. >>And all of my early tapes sound fantastic. The high >>are there, the low are there, the music is all >>there. The funny thing is that these tapes have not >>degraded. They are TDK ADs & SXs, Maxell XL-II ETC. >> >> >>Even the DBX tapes that when played though the 700 >>and the DBX 224x sound great too. >> >>By the way, the GXC-740D is in the closet, the post >>tape guide is wore out and can't be replace. The >>first tape guide is in perfect shape. Thank God >>that the Nak only uses one tape guide, maybe it will >>hold up better. The GX-8 has a head alignment >>problem, I am going to have it fix someday. I sold >>the TEAC A-450 when I purchase the GXC-740D back in >>1978. Yes I have tapes recorded before 1978 on the >>TEAC A-450 and they play perfectly on the NAK. >> >>So guys and gals I going to disagree with you! >> >>You have to remember that during the recording >>process Dolby B & C will boost the high frequencies, >>compressing them to a high level. During playback >>the high frequencies are return back to normal. >>If Dolby B & C levels are not match perfectly match, >>then a boost or cut in high frequency response can >>occur upon playback. >> >>The DBX system requires that the record / playback >>process has the same frequency response. >>If there was a drastic difference in the frequency >>response between my GXC-740 and GX-8 and the Nak, >>then there would be pumping when playing my DBX >>encoded tapes. >> >> >> >> >===================================================== > > >>Bruce A Embry >> >> >> >===================================================== > > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Matthew Brody >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 11:31 AM >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi playback >>response. >> >> >> I have just started doing recordings with my >>latest acquisition, a CR-7A. THe tapes even sound >>good on the stock Toyota cassette player! On my >>Denon they are superb! >> >> mb >> >> Robert Lehe wrote: >> >>Thanks for the explanation. It makes sense and is >>consistent with my >>observations. I hope you are right about the CR >>series--I just won a CR1a >>on ebay. It hasnt arrived yet, but I am hoping it >>is a better match than >>my BX300 to my existing tapes. >> >>Tad >> >> >> >> Naks have playback response with a high frequency >>rise, >> That is true, at least with the older Nak >>decks. Tape >>has non linear frequency response and to compensate >>you need to boost the highs. You compensate for the >>highs during recording and some more during >>playback. >>How much compensation during playback and record is >>where early Nak decks and other decks differ. Early >>Nakamichi decks do less compensation during >>recording, >>because it causes the signal to distort earlier and >>lowers how strong a signal you can record on the >>tape >>before distortion occurs. Early Naks do a little >>more >>compensation on the playback side. This accounts >>for >>Nak tapes sounding dull on other decks and vice >>versa. >> >> >>The problem started when Nakamichi decided not to >>adopt the IEC-1983 (I think that's the right number) >>record/playback equalization standard like everyone >>else. Supposedly the new standard was to help >>compensate for the poor head designs at the time, a >>problem that Nakamichi apparently didn't have. >>Nakamichi continued to use the older standard and >>subsequently incurred a bad reputation of not being >>compatible. I believe that Nakamichi finally >>adopted >>the the new standard in the late 80's to early 90's. >>I believe it was incorporated during the time of the >>CR series, but, not in early CR-5's and CR-7's. I'm >>not sure about the Dragon or the RX series which >>were >>also produced through that transition period. I >>know >>for a fact that there is a version of the MR-1 that >>has the newer record/playback equalization. It was >>called the MR-1B, but, you will never see the B on >>the >>front or back of the deck. It can only be >>identified >>by checking component values inside or by looking >>for >>a small white dot sticker on the bottom cover. >> >>Scott J. >> >> >> >>--- RTLehe at aol.com wrote: >> I am relatively new to the Nakamichi world. I >>did >>use a 2 head 500 dual >>tracer for a short time in the mid 70's, but most of >>my more than 2,000 tapes >>were made on other decks I owned. I noticed when I >>had the 500 that tapes made >>on that deck sounded dull on my other decks. For >>most of the last 15 years I >>have used a Yamaha deck, which I got because of the >>play trim, which enabled >>me to get good response from the tapes made on the >>old Nak. When the Yamaha >>finally died I started looking for a new deck, and >>was disappointed to find that >>there were not many decent decks being make any >>more. So I acquired several >>used decks on ebay, including some Denons, Yamahas, >>Aiwas and a couple of >>Naks. I have heard for a long time about a lack of >>playback response >>compatibility between Naks and other decks. Now I >>have had a chance to experience it >>first hand again. I have read some theories about a >>different head design and >>head gap for Naks that makes their recordings not >>sound right on other decks. I >>do not know about that. But it seems to that what >>is really going on is that >>the Naks have playback response with a high >>frequency rise, which makes tapes >>made on other decks sound bright and tapes made on >>the Nak sound dull on other >>decks. Two questions. Is it true that the Nak >>incompatiblility issue is >>mainly a matter of their having a rising high >>frequency playback response? And >>if so, why has Nak not conformed to the industry >>standard playback response >>curve? >> >> >> >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > >> Naktalk at naks.com >>mailinglist >>To maintain your account please go here: >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >> >> >> >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > >> __________________________________ >>Do you Yahoo!? >>SBC Yahoo! 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DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! >http://sbc.yahoo.com >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Peter_W_Rose at Yahoo.com Fri Jul 18 00:38:05 2003 From: Peter_W_Rose at Yahoo.com (Peter Rose) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 15:38:05 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 Play Pauses Instead of Playing In-Reply-To: <20030717193905.A999E114915@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: Thanks Kannan for the insight. Got it running again. Gave the 'head-block base up-movement' an assist and PLAY transport started working great. It is no longer sticking, but I assume a clean and lub would still be recommended. Is that something I should attempt or should I send it out? Where is the shaft that needs lubricating? Can it be done with out tearing into the case? Thanks, Peter On 7/17/03 12:39 PM, "kannan_s at vsnl.com" wrote: > Yours is classic cam not reaching its correct position to engage play mode. > Causes can be many > 1. Check the head bock base up movement. You can manually push it up in stop > position. Incase the grease between pinch rollar frame had hardened on the > shaft, then it would not touch the capstan shaft and the tape may not move. > Also the sliding frame on its base at the bottom also will not move smoothly. > > 2. The belt to move the cam is lose, then the motor will be rotating but will > not move the cam fully. > 3. Finally both the above is not the cause - you have to adjust the preset > matked play on mechanism control circuit - you need service manual ( atleast > 582 manual on NAKS.Com can be requested from Wouter! in Nakmart list?) > This adjusts the cam position for proper location to engage the capstan / > pinch rollar to make the tape move! > Hope this helps!!!! > Kannan > > Peter_Rose at SBCGlobal.net wrote > Any help to get my deck working again would be greatly appreciated. The > symptoms: > > * FF and REW work fine > * PLAY and REC is where the problem is >> * Transport mechanism moves into place and there is a 'ahhh' noise (sounds >> normal, if not a little louder, to me) >> * Tape does not move- almost as if in PAUSE and not PLAY. >> * If you do hit PAUSE no change occurs. > > I haven't played the deck in a while. This problem was somewhat intermittent > last time I used it (turn unit off then on and sometimes it would work fine) > but now it is consistently bad. > > Any good advice? > > Thanks in advance, > Peter > ========------------------------------------------------------------------==== > ===== > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------==== > ===== > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------==== > ===== > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------==== > ===== From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Fri Jul 18 00:29:12 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 08:29:12 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Which Brand of Tape...? Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0220210C@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Randall. I have the same model deck (very stunning looking machine I must say), and my recommendations to you would be to stick with Maxell and/or TDK. Both of these tapes sound great on my decks, the maxell however would probably last a little longer that TDK. I give you this example, I own a wide variety of TDK and Maxell tapes from the 70's 80's and 90's, I even have some Maxell XLII from 1976 still in there wappers! I took one of these Maxells and did a test recording and the sound was still 100 percent perfect. The TDK's from the same vintage (1977) sounded great too but needed a little adjusting with the bias to reach the ideal sound. I hope this helps you out Randall. Regards, Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Babin/Greseth [mailto:jvbrhg at seanet.com] Sent: Friday, 18 July 2003 2:15 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Which Brand of Tape...? Nak Dudes-- I have a Nak 680zx. I have always pretty much used Maxell II type tape, although I occasionally have used TDK. Most of the communications on the website indicate that Nak users prefer TDK. Your thoughts please. Randall in Seattle, Washington, USA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Fri Jul 18 00:21:46 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 08:21:46 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: ZX-9: motors appears to grow tired Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0220210B@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Tarun. About the pits in the head of your ZX9, I would only worry if the sound was dull or the deck is placing slight creases on your tapes (linear creases), so if you play the tape in the ZX9 rewind the tape just a little and take the tape out and have a look, you should not see crease lines running parallel with the tape. Good luck with your deck. Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Chandra Tarun [mailto:cptarun at yahoo.co.in] Sent: Thursday, 17 July 2003 5:05 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: ZX-9: motors appears to grow tired Dear Kannan, Tom and Stephen, Thanks a lot for your feedback. :) I now know that it's likely that I'll either have to change an idler for the spool drivers, or an IC on a PCB which controls the servos. Depends on whether the spool driving motors or the capstan motors are the problem. (Did I get that right?) I guess I can't complain; a 15-year-old deck is permitted to show a bit of component failures. :) And to cap that, I don't know what the hot and super- humid climate of Bombay does to a ZX-9. I am not competent enough to attempt either repair myself; I'll have to take it to someone who has done such things before. The IC that Stephen mentions will probably be available in Bombay. The idler (specially since I'll want an original Nak idler if possible) will almost certainly not. I guess I'll just have to wait till I get a chance to visit the US next, and then ask Stephen to personally take a look at it. (You still accept assignments for Nak repair and refurbishing, don't you? Most Nak lovers on the Net seem to swear by your expertise.) But thanks enormously for responding. Somehow makes me feel that I can reach people who understand my deck's problems. Without this list, living in Bombay, one feels terribly left-out when faced with even the smallest problem with a good audio system. Most people in my friends' circle in the physical world don't know what "three-head deck" means. :) While on the subject of my deck, do you feel that I need to worry about those tiny pit-like marks on the heads? I don't know whether they're really pitting corrosion, I said it because that's the first thing that came to my mind --- I have a B.Tech in Metallurgical Engineering. :) I would have thought that a deck head in good condition would have a perfectly smooth and shiny surface; mine certainly doesn't, except for the erase head. It sounds lovely to me, but then I've never heard other Naks in better condition, or recently refurbished pieces. Do you feel it's generally a good idea to replace the set of heads now that the deck is this old... sort of like preventive maintenance? I know I want to use a deck of this quality for a few more decades... I'll always have cassettes. (Pre-recorded cassettes keep getting released in India with content which will never be published on CD, specially in Indian Classical music.) Warm regards and thanks a million, Tarun ________________________________________________________________________ Send free SMS using the Yahoo! Messenger. Go to http://in.mobile.yahoo.com/new/pc/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Fri Jul 18 00:35:41 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 08:35:41 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] A couple of questions Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0220210D@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Howdy all. I have two questions I'd like to ask the group. The first question goes out to all the 680ZX users out there, when you calibrate the deck to the cassette you wish to use and turn the little trim pots under the fluorescent display should the trim pots be in the same position as each other i.e. both in the 11 o'clock position? Question number two. My ZX9 can make some killer recordings and when played back on the same unit it sound great, but if I take the recorded cassette out from my ZX9 and into my 680ZX, or my RX505 or even my BX300 it sounds dull. The head alignment is spot on with the other decks so what could the problem be? Any info would be appreciated. Tom Siomopoulos From wontulp at zoomnet.com.au Fri Jul 18 09:18:20 2003 From: wontulp at zoomnet.com.au (David Thompson) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 17:18:20 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 Play Pauses Instead of Playing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Depending on the deck, I have had a similar problem on a 581 and a new belt for the control motor fixed the problem. David >Any help to get my deck working again would be greatly appreciated. >The symptoms: > >FF and REW work fine >PLAY and REC is where the problem is >Transport mechanism moves into place and there is a 'ahhh' noise >(sounds normal, if not a little louder, to me) >Tape does not move- almost as if in PAUSE and not PLAY. >If you do hit PAUSE no change occurs. > >I haven't played the deck in a while. This problem was somewhat >intermittent last time I used it (turn unit off then on and >sometimes it would work fine) but now it is consistently bad. > >Any good advice? > >Thanks in advance, >Peter > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -- David Thompson Assistant Principal/Academic Coordinator Wontulp-Bi-Buya College PO Box 960N, North Cairns Qld 4870 PH 07 4041 4596, Fax 07 4041 4597 Mobile 0429 992 037 ABN 31 048 665 207 http://www.wontulp.qld.edu.au -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wontulp at zoomnet.com.au Fri Jul 18 09:46:00 2003 From: wontulp at zoomnet.com.au (David Thompson) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 17:46:00 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 581 repairs Message-ID: Dear Kannan Further to your advices below, I have solved the problems. The transport problem was due to a break in connection of the emitters of the two transistors that drive the control motor. The replacement bulb for the Stop button has fixed the low volume problem just as you said, so many thanks again. Simple when you know! Now I need to replace the idler assembly. I have found a good source of parts for the 581 is Classic Nakamichi in the UK (I am in tropical Cairns, Australia, and purchased new heads recently). The email address is: info at classic-nakamichi.com I would be interested to know of other sources for older parts elsewhere. David Thanks so much for your helpful advice. The stop light button is blown and I should have a replacement tomorrow. I put a larger one in temporarily but couldn't test the volume as the deck will still not play or record - the head base does not rise into place. The cutout bulb in front is working as is the cassette door switch. I have replaced IC405 and various transistors but to no effect. I am getting a capacitor that sits on the control motor to try that. The voltage changes that make the cam move are not happening. If that triggers any other clues I be glad of any more tips. David >Check the stop button light - if it is not working then it is the >culprit for very low volume of playback - probably you may just hear >it! Secondly remove the front cover ( the black plastic one with the >meter etc, taking care to remove the three circular knobs and theose >six switch knobs carefully. Also you can remove the connectors from >Meters/ lights on this front cover by just gently pulling out after >opening the top cover of the deck. When you put it back plug these >connectors gently on the appropriate sockets on the mother board - >you may need to open the bottom plate for this) > >You will see a circular wheel with many holes inside the mechanism >with a bulb in front. If the bulb is not on - ie fused, then this is >the reason why your play to FF/REW functions. Another possibility is >a small microswitch attached on the cassette well door to detect the >door position. If the micro switch is not in correct position, the >deck microprocessor assumes that the door is open! >Then Play / record functions will not work. Hope these hints helps. >About manual - if you have the service manual then it is very useful >in finding out these above. >Kannan >wontulp at zoomnet.com.au wrote >I am having trouble repairing faults in a 581 cassette deck. > >First problem was a very low volume on playback. > >Now it will not go into record or play mode. FW & REW will operate >from stop position while button is held on. > >Any suggestions, please? I have a manual. > David -- David Thompson Assistant Principal/Academic Coordinator Wontulp-Bi-Buya College PO Box 960N, North Cairns Qld 4870 PH 07 4041 4596, Fax 07 4041 4597 Mobile 0429 992 037 ABN 31 048 665 207 http://www.wontulp.qld.edu.au -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kjbleus at charter.net Fri Jul 18 14:31:13 2003 From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 07:31:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Analogue Cassette Info Message-ID: <000801c34d28$7a02f2b0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6> Greetings, I'm often asked, "Which cassette is best for use with Nakamichi decks?" Many cassette brands perform excellently on classic Nakamichi decks, with some registering specification-wise superior than others. My experience over many years has led to the conclusion that it is completely up to the beholder to determine which cassette brand performs best on their personal cassette decks. The special sound expectation that each of us has with our ears, the way the cassettes seat into the deck transport mechanism, durability of the cassette case, and the comfort level of how well the cassette performs during extended multiple use (home decks, mobile decks, etc.) all contribute to conclusions and opinions. Personally, I prefer Maxell cassette products, especially the 1990 versions of XLIIS and MX-S cassettes. All of my Nak decks are optimized to perform with Maxell products. I also use an occasional Denon or TDK product, although I almost always return to the Maxell product because of the consistency of sound reproduction quality and solid feel of the cassette mechanism and case. Personal opinions, of course! Regards, K.J. Bleus Madison, Wisc USA kjbleus at charter.net Below are some of my favorite references when studying cassette products: Interesting visual info on analogue cassette tapes..... http://www.melofanas.lt/1left/kol/kolekcija_sarasas.htm http://www.ne.jp/asahi/toyoak/ho/Pages/CC/DNN&Ths.htm Interesting comparison info on analogue cassette tapes..... http://www.analogaudio.narod.ru/mag/tape78_01-11.djvu http://www.analogaudio.narod.ru/mag/tape83_01-11.djvu http://www.analogaudio.narod.ru/mag/tape87_01-11.djvu http://www.analogaudio.narod.ru/mag/tape90_01-18.djvu Interesting reference info on analogue cassette recording..... http://www.analogaudio.narod.ru/mag/tdk85_01-08.djvu http://www.analogaudio.narod.ru/mag/necessities.djvu http://www.analogaudio.narod.ru/mag/tdk80_01-07.djvu DjVu software required to view this info (no cost)...... http://www.lizardtech.com/download/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jvbrhg at seanet.com Fri Jul 18 17:19:50 2003 From: jvbrhg at seanet.com (Babin/Greseth) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 08:19:50 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Analogue Cassette Info References: <000801c34d28$7a02f2b0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6> Message-ID: <001101c34d40$08345940$a41d0cd0@r7g1f8> Next Question Mr. Bleus- I too think the Maxell XLIIs was the best around for my ear. I contacted Maxell; they no longer make the XLIIs, just the XLII. I don't know what that is all about. They tried to pawn it off on a marketing issue. The big question-what website have you found that has good prices, fast delivery etc for blank analog media? Randall Greseth Seattle, Washington, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: KJ Bleus To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: KJ Bleus Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 5:31 AM Subject: [naktalk] Analogue Cassette Info Greetings, I'm often asked, "Which cassette is best for use with Nakamichi decks?" Many cassette brands perform excellently on classic Nakamichi decks, with some registering specification-wise superior than others. My experience over many years has led to the conclusion that it is completely up to the beholder to determine which cassette brand performs best on their personal cassette decks. The special sound expectation that each of us has with our ears, the way the cassettes seat into the deck transport mechanism, durability of the cassette case, and the comfort level of how well the cassette performs during extended multiple use (home decks, mobile decks, etc.) all contribute to conclusions and opinions. Personally, I prefer Maxell cassette products, especially the 1990 versions of XLIIS and MX-S cassettes. All of my Nak decks are optimized to perform with Maxell products. I also use an occasional Denon or TDK product, although I almost always return to the Maxell product because of the consistency of sound reproduction quality and solid feel of the cassette mechanism and case. Personal opinions, of course! Regards, K.J. Bleus Madison, Wisc USA kjbleus at charter.net Below are some of my favorite references when studying cassette products: Interesting visual info on analogue cassette tapes..... http://www.melofanas.lt/1left/kol/kolekcija_sarasas.htm http://www.ne.jp/asahi/toyoak/ho/Pages/CC/DNN&Ths.htm Interesting comparison info on analogue cassette tapes..... http://www.analogaudio.narod.ru/mag/tape78_01-11.djvu http://www.analogaudio.narod.ru/mag/tape83_01-11.djvu http://www.analogaudio.narod.ru/mag/tape87_01-11.djvu http://www.analogaudio.narod.ru/mag/tape90_01-18.djvu Interesting reference info on analogue cassette recording..... http://www.analogaudio.narod.ru/mag/tdk85_01-08.djvu http://www.analogaudio.narod.ru/mag/necessities.djvu http://www.analogaudio.narod.ru/mag/tdk80_01-07.djvu DjVu software required to view this info (no cost)...... http://www.lizardtech.com/download/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Jul 18 18:12:33 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 18:12:33 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Analogue Cassette Info: Thanks Mr Bleu's Message-ID: These are fantastic Mr Bleu's (The links!!) I shall be looking at them in detail over the weekend. I respect your findings with XLII-S and MX-S. Phenomenol cassettes and very, very consistent. I must say, I have a lot of enjoyment testing different types of tapes and discovering the differences and idiosyncracies. Just last evening I was holding a Maxell XLII-S that I bought in circa 1984. And just looking at it, it struck me that it said "High Epitaxial" and on the card insert referred to "epitaxial particles" with no reference to "Back Magnetite." I was wondering when the magnetite particle was developed (I read that Taiyo Yuden (That's) developed their own chemical process for producing magnetite) by Hitachi - Maxell and used first. I should think we all (on Naktalk) have large collections of different cassette types - both open and closed. Mainly the former I suppose, although I have quite a bit to keep me going through a cassette famine or nuclear winter!!! I've become an opportunistic buyer of good type IIs and IV. Soon I'll have to seek therapy!! Hell, I even bought a box of TDK AD the other day....... Cheers, Marc >>> kjbleus at charter.net 07/18/03 02:31PM >>> Greetings, I'm often asked, "Which cassette is best for use with Nakamichi decks?" Many cassette brands perform excellently on classic Nakamichi decks, with some registering specification-wise superior than others. My experience over many years has led to the conclusion that it is completely up to the beholder to determine which cassette brand performs best on their personal cassette decks. The special sound expectation that each of us has with our ears, the way the cassettes seat into the deck transport mechanism, durability of the cassette case, and the comfort level of how well the cassette performs during extended multiple use (home decks, mobile decks, etc.) all contribute to conclusions and opinions. Personally, I prefer Maxell cassette products, especially the 1990 versions of XLIIS and MX-S cassettes. All of my Nak decks are optimized to perform with Maxell products. I also use an occasional Denon or TDK product, although I almost always return to the Maxell product because of the consistency of sound reproduction quality and solid feel of the cassette mechanism and case. Personal opinions, of course! Regards, K.J. Bleus Madison, Wisc USA kjbleus at charter.net Below are some of my favorite references when studying cassette products: Interesting visual info on analogue cassette tapes..... http://www.melofanas.lt/1left/kol/kolekcija_sarasas.htm http://www.ne.jp/asahi/toyoak/ho/Pages/CC/DNN&Ths.htm Interesting comparison info on analogue cassette tapes..... http://www.analogaudio.narod.ru/mag/tape78_01-11.djvu http://www.analogaudio.narod.ru/mag/tape83_01-11.djvu http://www.analogaudio.narod.ru/mag/tape87_01-11.djvu http://www.analogaudio.narod.ru/mag/tape90_01-18.djvu Interesting reference info on analogue cassette recording..... http://www.analogaudio.narod.ru/mag/tdk85_01-08.djvu http://www.analogaudio.narod.ru/mag/necessities.djvu http://www.analogaudio.narod.ru/mag/tdk80_01-07.djvu DjVu software required to view this info (no cost)...... http://www.lizardtech.com/download/ From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Jul 18 19:37:24 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 23:07:24 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 Play Pauses Instead of Playing Message-ID: <20030718173724.623DF11491F@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Jul 18 19:49:08 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 23:19:08 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 581 repairs Message-ID: <20030718174908.7606D11493B@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From jmtooley at ce.net Fri Jul 18 19:10:08 2003 From: jmtooley at ce.net (jmtooley at ce.net) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 13:10:08 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Analogue Cassette Info In-Reply-To: <001101c34d40$08345940$a41d0cd0@r7g1f8> References: <000801c34d28$7a02f2b0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6> <001101c34d40$08345940$a41d0cd0@r7g1f8> Message-ID: <1058548208.3f1829f0734b5@mail.ce.net> Martin Colloms, of UK magazine Hi-Fi Choice, said that the XLII's were a better all around cassette than the XLIIs's! They were always quite a bit cheaper. John T. \Quoting Babin/Greseth : > Next Question Mr. Bleus- > > I too think the Maxell XLIIs was the best around for my ear. I contacted > Maxell; they no longer make the XLIIs, just the XLII. I don't know what that > is all about. They tried to pawn it off on a marketing issue. > > The big question-what website have you found that has good prices, fast > delivery etc for blank analog media? > > Randall Greseth > Seattle, Washington, USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: KJ Bleus > To: naktalk at naks.com > Cc: KJ Bleus > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 5:31 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Analogue Cassette Info > > > Greetings, > > I'm often asked, "Which cassette is best for use with Nakamichi decks?" > Many cassette brands perform excellently on classic Nakamichi decks, with > some registering specification-wise superior than others. My experience over > many years has led to the conclusion that it is completely up to the beholder > to determine which cassette brand performs best on their personal cassette > decks. The special sound expectation that each of us has with our ears, the > way the cassettes seat into the deck transport mechanism, durability of the > cassette case, and the comfort level of how well the cassette performs during > extended multiple use (home decks, mobile decks, etc.) all contribute to > conclusions and opinions. > > Personally, I prefer Maxell cassette products, especially the 1990 versions > of XLIIS and MX-S cassettes. All of my Nak decks are optimized to perform > with Maxell products. I also use an occasional Denon or TDK product, > although I almost always return to the Maxell product because of the > consistency of sound reproduction quality and solid feel of the cassette > mechanism and case. Personal opinions, of course! > > Regards, > > K.J. Bleus > Madison, Wisc USA > kjbleus at charter.net > > > Below are some of my favorite references when studying cassette products: > > Interesting visual info on analogue cassette tapes..... > > http://www.melofanas.lt/1left/kol/kolekcija_sarasas.htm > > http://www.ne.jp/asahi/toyoak/ho/Pages/CC/DNN&Ths.htm > > > Interesting comparison info on analogue cassette tapes..... > > http://www.analogaudio.narod.ru/mag/tape78_01-11.djvu > > http://www.analogaudio.narod.ru/mag/tape83_01-11.djvu > > http://www.analogaudio.narod.ru/mag/tape87_01-11.djvu > > http://www.analogaudio.narod.ru/mag/tape90_01-18.djvu > > > Interesting reference info on analogue cassette recording..... > > http://www.analogaudio.narod.ru/mag/tdk85_01-08.djvu > > http://www.analogaudio.narod.ru/mag/necessities.djvu > > http://www.analogaudio.narod.ru/mag/tdk80_01-07.djvu > > > DjVu software required to view this info (no cost)...... > > http://www.lizardtech.com/download/ > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ ========= > From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Jul 19 00:34:54 2003 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 16:34:54 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi playback response. References: <20030717172530.88460.qmail@web40410.mail.yahoo.com> <3F16FEE9.2050609@noctrl.edu> Message-ID: <023d01c34d7c$d02f2560$8e3442cf@steve> The root of your problem is not the deviation from standards of the Nak, but of the other deck manufacturers. Yamaha, Sony, Onkyo, HK, and most others have used tape heads that aren't even capable of playback response that conforms to the relaxed IEC2 standards, so they tweak the hell out of the REC equalisation to boost the treble by as much as 9dB, to compensate for the miserable PB performance & enable publishing specs that appear respectable. This would quite clearly account for what you are observing. Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer Talking Dog Transducer Company http://stephensank.com 5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] 505-332-0336 Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer Payments preferred through Paypal.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Lehe" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi playback response. > I based on the fact that my treble control has got to go to about 10 > o'clock when playing tapes made on my other decks on my BX300, I gotta > think it is more like 3 db at 10k hz. > > Tad > > > Scott Johnson wrote: > > >The different between the old and new record > >equalization is fairly minor. I think it's only about > >2dB difference at 18 kHz. Probably not really > >noticeable. A slight azimuth error would be far more > >noticeable. > > > >Scott J. > > > >--- Bruce Embry wrote: > > > > > >>Hi all, > >>This is real funny about the frequency compensation > >>on the Naks deck. The reason I said it real funny > >>is because I have cassette tapes recorded on many > >>different high end three head and two head > >>recorders. Here is the list > >>Teac A-100 recorded with Dolby B > >>Teac A-450 recorded with Dolby B. > >>Aka GXC-740D: tapes here recorded with Dolby B or > >>external DBX 224x > >>Akkia GX-8 tape recorded with this deck are all DBX. > >> > >> > >>Now I have the tape deck I always wanted Naks Tri > >>Tracer 700, yes its 30 years old. > >>And all of my early tapes sound fantastic. The high > >>are there, the low are there, the music is all > >>there. The funny thing is that these tapes have not > >>degraded. They are TDK ADs & SXs, Maxell XL-II ETC. > >> > >> > >>Even the DBX tapes that when played though the 700 > >>and the DBX 224x sound great too. > >> > >>By the way, the GXC-740D is in the closet, the post > >>tape guide is wore out and can't be replace. The > >>first tape guide is in perfect shape. Thank God > >>that the Nak only uses one tape guide, maybe it will > >>hold up better. The GX-8 has a head alignment > >>problem, I am going to have it fix someday. I sold > >>the TEAC A-450 when I purchase the GXC-740D back in > >>1978. Yes I have tapes recorded before 1978 on the > >>TEAC A-450 and they play perfectly on the NAK. > >> > >>So guys and gals I going to disagree with you! > >> > >>You have to remember that during the recording > >>process Dolby B & C will boost the high frequencies, > >>compressing them to a high level. During playback > >>the high frequencies are return back to normal. > >>If Dolby B & C levels are not match perfectly match, > >>then a boost or cut in high frequency response can > >>occur upon playback. > >> > >>The DBX system requires that the record / playback > >>process has the same frequency response. > >>If there was a drastic difference in the frequency > >>response between my GXC-740 and GX-8 and the Nak, > >>then there would be pumping when playing my DBX > >>encoded tapes. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >===================================================== > > > > > >>Bruce A Embry > >> > >> > >> > >===================================================== > > > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Matthew Brody > >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 11:31 AM > >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi playback > >>response. > >> > >> > >> I have just started doing recordings with my > >>latest acquisition, a CR-7A. THe tapes even sound > >>good on the stock Toyota cassette player! On my > >>Denon they are superb! > >> > >> mb > >> > >> Robert Lehe wrote: > >> > >>Thanks for the explanation. It makes sense and is > >>consistent with my > >>observations. I hope you are right about the CR > >>series--I just won a CR1a > >>on ebay. It hasnt arrived yet, but I am hoping it > >>is a better match than > >>my BX300 to my existing tapes. > >> > >>Tad > >> > >> > >> > >> Naks have playback response with a high frequency > >>rise, > >> That is true, at least with the older Nak > >>decks. Tape > >>has non linear frequency response and to compensate > >>you need to boost the highs. You compensate for the > >>highs during recording and some more during > >>playback. > >>How much compensation during playback and record is > >>where early Nak decks and other decks differ. Early > >>Nakamichi decks do less compensation during > >>recording, > >>because it causes the signal to distort earlier and > >>lowers how strong a signal you can record on the > >>tape > >>before distortion occurs. Early Naks do a little > >>more > >>compensation on the playback side. This accounts > >>for > >>Nak tapes sounding dull on other decks and vice > >>versa. > >> > >> > >>The problem started when Nakamichi decided not to > >>adopt the IEC-1983 (I think that's the right number) > >>record/playback equalization standard like everyone > >>else. Supposedly the new standard was to help > >>compensate for the poor head designs at the time, a > >>problem that Nakamichi apparently didn't have. > >>Nakamichi continued to use the older standard and > >>subsequently incurred a bad reputation of not being > >>compatible. I believe that Nakamichi finally > >>adopted > >>the the new standard in the late 80's to early 90's. > >>I believe it was incorporated during the time of the > >>CR series, but, not in early CR-5's and CR-7's. I'm > >>not sure about the Dragon or the RX series which > >>were > >>also produced through that transition period. I > >>know > >>for a fact that there is a version of the MR-1 that > >>has the newer record/playback equalization. It was > >>called the MR-1B, but, you will never see the B on > >>the > >>front or back of the deck. It can only be > >>identified > >>by checking component values inside or by looking > >>for > >>a small white dot sticker on the bottom cover. > >> > >>Scott J. > >> > >> > >> > >>--- RTLehe at aol.com wrote: > >> I am relatively new to the Nakamichi world. I > >>did > >>use a 2 head 500 dual > >>tracer for a short time in the mid 70's, but most of > >>my more than 2,000 tapes > >>were made on other decks I owned. I noticed when I > >>had the 500 that tapes made > >>on that deck sounded dull on my other decks. For > >>most of the last 15 years I > >>have used a Yamaha deck, which I got because of the > >>play trim, which enabled > >>me to get good response from the tapes made on the > >>old Nak. When the Yamaha > >>finally died I started looking for a new deck, and > >>was disappointed to find that > >>there were not many decent decks being make any > >>more. So I acquired several > >>used decks on ebay, including some Denons, Yamahas, > >>Aiwas and a couple of > >>Naks. I have heard for a long time about a lack of > >>playback response > >>compatibility between Naks and other decks. Now I > >>have had a chance to experience it > >>first hand again. I have read some theories about a > >>different head design and > >>head gap for Naks that makes their recordings not > >>sound right on other decks. I > >>do not know about that. But it seems to that what > >>is really going on is that > >>the Naks have playback response with a high > >>frequency rise, which makes tapes > >>made on other decks sound bright and tapes made on > >>the Nak sound dull on other > >>decks. Two questions. Is it true that the Nak > >>incompatiblility issue is > >>mainly a matter of their having a rising high > >>frequency playback response? And > >>if so, why has Nak not conformed to the industry > >>standard playback response > >>curve? > >> > >> > >> > >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > > > > >> Naktalk at naks.com > >>mailinglist > >>To maintain your account please go here: > >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > > > > >> __________________________________ > >>Do you Yahoo!? > >>SBC Yahoo! 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DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > >http://sbc.yahoo.com > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > From kjbleus at charter.net Sat Jul 19 01:28:22 2003 From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 18:28:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Analogue Cassette Info Message-ID: <000c01c34d84$47a95f50$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6> Randall, I suggest that you keep your eyes on ebay.com, do a search under "cassette tape, maxell". Often, you'll find four packs or a box of ten XLIIS cassettes offered at very reasonably prices. Purchasing directly, I recommend these websites: XLIIS 60s & 90s (boxes too!), good prices! http://www.jazsound.com/products.asp?Action=Company&CompanyName=MAXELL MX-S 60s available.... http://www.totalmedia.com/catalog/catalog_home.asp?CatID=1233&OID=-1&CID=&bustype=01 XLIIS 60s available.... http://www.gbaudio.co.uk/maxell.htm Regards, Bleus de Nakker Madison, Wisc USA kjbleus at charter.net --Orig Message-- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 08:19:50 -0700 From: "Babin/Greseth" Subject: Re: [naktalk] Analogue Cassette Info To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Message-ID: <001101c34d40$08345940$a41d0cd0 at r7g1f8> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Next Question Mr. Bleus- I too think the Maxell XLIIs was the best around for my ear. I contacted Maxell; they no longer make the XLIIs, just the XLII. I don't know what that is all about. They tried to pawn it off on a marketing issue. The big question-what website have you found that has good prices, fast delivery etc for blank analog media? Randall Greseth Seattle, Washington, USA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wontulp at zoomnet.com.au Sun Jul 20 06:24:49 2003 From: wontulp at zoomnet.com.au (David Thompson) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 14:24:49 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 581 repairs In-Reply-To: <20030718174908.7606D11493B@webmail.vsnl.com> References: <20030718174908.7606D11493B@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: Kannan The idler has been slipping similarly on FF & REW for a while, and when I got the machine going it was quite noisy. It has been in the tropics since 1979 when I bought it in Fiji and since 1980 in northern Australia. You may be interested that Classic Nakamichi quoted me £4.50 for a suitable replacement (including spring) plus £6 freight. That will be about AU$30 or approx US$20. Not much on ebay here. Getting at it is a challenge but then I like mechanical challenges. I have been half way in already. David >David >again like the other LX3 problem, I am happy to know you could bring >your 581 back to life. Thanks for the info. > But unless the idler is really worn out like the symptoms Our Tarun >is having ( in his Dragon) - do not replace the idler assembly). >These assemblies work for years unless they are exposed long time to >hot humid climates while keeping a spare would be fine. Forewarned >that the spare may cost more than an used 581 off ebay! also >replacing requires very good mechanical assembly skills - more like >mechanical watch repir skills! There are plenty of parts and care >required to put them back in correct sequence! >Having assemmbled and disaassembled my 582 many times, >somehow I consider my 582 ( I was not able to bring it back to life >for almost 5 years because of lack of spare parts in India!) to be a >beautiful machine both sonically as well as its construction. Only >expensive Dragon/ CR7 could beat it but with a slight margin >sonically. I am still amazed by the capstan shaft bearing as well as >capstan shaft themselves. I am sure this machine can work for 40 >Years with minmal spares! >Any way keep some spare belts - they are useful for whole lot of Naks! >kannan >wontulp at zoomnet.com.au wrote >Dear Kannan > >Further to your advices below, I have solved the problems. The >transport problem was due to a break in connection of the emitters of >the two transistors that drive the control motor. The replacement >bulb for the Stop button has fixed the low volume problem just as you >said, so many thanks again. Simple when you know! > >Now I need to replace the idler assembly. I have found a good source >of parts for the 581 is Classic Nakamichi in the UK (I am in tropical >Cairns, Australia, and purchased new heads recently). The email >address is: info at classic-nakamichi.com > >I would be interested to know of other sources for older parts elsewhere. > >David > >Thanks so much for your helpful advice. The stop light button is >blown and I should have a replacement tomorrow. I put a larger one in >temporarily but couldn't test the volume as the deck will still not >play or record - the head base does not rise into place. The cutout >bulb in front is working as is the cassette door switch. I have >replaced IC405 and various transistors but to no effect. I am >getting a capacitor that sits on the control motor to try that. The >voltage changes that make the cam move are not happening. If that >triggers any other clues I be glad of any more tips. > >David > >>Check the stop button light - if it is not working then it is the >>culprit for very low volume of playback - probably you may just hear >>it! Secondly remove the front cover ( the black plastic one with the >>meter etc, taking care to remove the three circular knobs and theose >>six switch knobs carefully. Also you can remove the connectors from >>Meters/ lights on this front cover by just gently pulling out after >>opening the top cover of the deck. When you put it back plug these >>connectors gently on the appropriate sockets on the mother board - >>you may need to open the bottom plate for this) >> >>You will see a circular wheel with many holes inside the mechanism >>with a bulb in front. If the bulb is not on - ie fused, then this is >>the reason why your play to FF/REW functions. Another possibility is >>a small microswitch attached on the cassette well door to detect the >>door position. If the micro switch is not in correct position, the > >deck microprocessor assumes that the door is open! >>Then Play / record functions will not work. Hope these hints helps. >>About manual - if you have the service manual then it is very useful >>in finding out these above. >>Kannan >>wontulp at zoomnet.com.au wrote >>I am having trouble repairing faults in a 581 cassette deck. >> >>First problem was a very low volume on playback. >> >>Now it will not go into record or play mode. FW & REW will operate >>from stop position while button is held on. >> >>Any suggestions, please? I have a manual. >> >David >-- >David Thompson >Assistant Principal/Academic Coordinator >Wontulp-Bi-Buya College >PO Box 960N, North Cairns Qld 4870 >PH 07 4041 4596, Fax 07 4041 4597 >Mobile 0429 992 037 >ABN 31 048 665 207 >http://www.wontulp.qld.edu.au========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -- David Thompson Assistant Principal/Academic Coordinator Wontulp-Bi-Buya College PH 07 4041 4596, Fax 07 4041 4597 From roleo at telus.net Sun Jul 20 18:01:14 2003 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 09:01:14 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck for your PC!! References: <000801c34d28$7a02f2b0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6><001101c34d40$08345940$a41d0cd0@r7g1f8> <1058548208.3f1829f0734b5@mail.ce.net> Message-ID: <000701c34ed8$2581ec80$eca7b742@desktop> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=175&item=2742233290 This is diifferent: A cassette deck for your PC so you can transfer analog audio files to your computer or from digital to the analog domain. There's even a little movie that demonstrates basic function on the ad. I don't think it will come close to using my Dragon and Tascam Pro CD Recorder for quality, but it's an interesting concept. --Roland From kannan_s at vsnl.com Sun Jul 20 20:00:19 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 23:30:19 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 581 repairs Message-ID: <20030720180019.94386114A2F@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From ezio.lucenti2 at virgilio.it Sun Jul 20 18:45:02 2003 From: ezio.lucenti2 at virgilio.it (Ezio) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 18:45:02 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck for your PC!! In-Reply-To: <000701c34ed8$2581ec80$eca7b742@desktop> References: <000801c34d28$7a02f2b0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6> <001101c34d40$08345940$a41d0cd0@r7g1f8> <1058548208.3f1829f0734b5@mail.ce.net> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030720184016.00abab90@in.virgilio.it> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Jul 20 19:06:27 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 00:06:27 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck for your PC!! References: <000801c34d28$7a02f2b0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6> <001101c34d40$08345940$a41d0cd0@r7g1f8> <1058548208.3f1829f0734b5@mail.ce.net> <000701c34ed8$2581ec80$eca7b742@desktop> Message-ID: <002801c34ee1$42b56c60$98299bca@smarzuki> A matter of time before they introduce the 52x speed deck ... =) SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Roland Alford To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 11:01 PM Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck for your PC!! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=175&item=2742233290 This is diifferent: A cassette deck for your PC so you can transfer analog audio files to your computer or from digital to the analog domain. There's even a little movie that demonstrates basic function on the ad. I don't think it will come close to using my Dragon and Tascam Pro CD Recorder for quality, but it's an interesting concept. --Roland From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Jul 20 19:18:05 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 00:18:05 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] A couple of questions References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0220210D@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <003301c34ee3$06122120$98299bca@smarzuki> Hi Tom, My 68x's trimpots show different position for each channel for all tape types ! Not a pretty sight ... I guess that's why Nak leave the marker off dragon and zx pots. No clue on your ZX 'problem'. In any case how do you know if the heads are spot on with the other decks ? What happen if you align the ZX pb head to tapes made on your other deck ? (don't forget to mark original zx azimuth position unless you have Nak test tapes). Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos To: Naktalk mail list (E-mail) Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 5:35 AM Subject: [naktalk] A couple of questions Howdy all. I have two questions I'd like to ask the group. The first question goes out to all the 680ZX users out there, when you calibrate the deck to the cassette you wish to use and turn the little trim pots under the fluorescent display should the trim pots be in the same position as each other i.e. both in the 11 o'clock position? Question number two. My ZX9 can make some killer recordings and when played back on the same unit it sound great, but if I take the recorded cassette out from my ZX9 and into my 680ZX, or my RX505 or even my BX300 it sounds dull. The head alignment is spot on with the other decks so what could the problem be? Any info would be appreciated. Tom Siomopoulos From kannan_s at vsnl.com Mon Jul 21 02:35:02 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 06:05:02 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] A couple of questions Message-ID: <20030721003502.8E1401149C9@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From jmtooley at ce.net Mon Jul 21 00:46:06 2003 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 18:46:06 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Analogue Cassette Info References: <000c01c34d84$47a95f50$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6> Message-ID: <005a01c34f10$ba919540$7d106343@johnnyrotten> Bleus, Did you ever hear anymore from Carlos on the tape marathon CD? It seems such a shame that the two tapes apparently made it to Puerto Rico then nothing happened. Carlos are you there good buddy? John T. ----- Original Message ----- From: KJ Bleus To: jvbrhg at seanet.com Cc: naktalk at naks.com ; KJ Bleus Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 7:28 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: Analogue Cassette Info Randall, I suggest that you keep your eyes on ebay.com, do a search under "cassette tape, maxell". Often, you'll find four packs or a box of ten XLIIS cassettes offered at very reasonably prices. Purchasing directly, I recommend these websites: XLIIS 60s & 90s (boxes too!), good prices! http://www.jazsound.com/products.asp?Action=Company&CompanyName=MAXELL MX-S 60s available.... http://www.totalmedia.com/catalog/catalog_home.asp?CatID=1233&OID=-1&CID=&bustype=01 XLIIS 60s available.... http://www.gbaudio.co.uk/maxell.htm Regards, Bleus de Nakker Madison, Wisc USA kjbleus at charter.net --Orig Message-- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 08:19:50 -0700 From: "Babin/Greseth" Subject: Re: [naktalk] Analogue Cassette Info To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Message-ID: <001101c34d40$08345940$a41d0cd0 at r7g1f8> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Next Question Mr. Bleus- I too think the Maxell XLIIs was the best around for my ear. I contacted Maxell; they no longer make the XLIIs, just the XLII. I don't know what that is all about. They tried to pawn it off on a marketing issue. The big question-what website have you found that has good prices, fast delivery etc for blank analog media? Randall Greseth Seattle, Washington, USA ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jvbrhg at seanet.com Sun Jul 20 23:50:09 2003 From: jvbrhg at seanet.com (Babin/Greseth) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 14:50:09 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Tape Message-ID: <000d01c34f08$e647be60$281b0cd0@r7g1f8> When I bought my 680ZX many years ago in Singapore, the dealer gave me a case (12) of Nak ZX C-60s I still have them and they work great. Was Nakamichi ever in the black media business, or are these most likely "stencils"? Randall Greseth Seattle, Washington USA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Jul 21 01:37:58 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 09:37:58 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck for your PC!! Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0220210E@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Nice one Salim :) -----Original Message----- From: Salim Marzuki [mailto:smarzuki at indosat.net.id] Sent: Monday, 21 July 2003 3:06 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Deck for your PC!! A matter of time before they introduce the 52x speed deck ... =) SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Roland Alford To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 11:01 PM Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck for your PC!! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=175&item=2742233290 This is diifferent: A cassette deck for your PC so you can transfer analog audio files to your computer or from digital to the analog domain. There's even a little movie that demonstrates basic function on the ad. I don't think it will come close to using my Dragon and Tascam Pro CD Recorder for quality, but it's an interesting concept. --Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Jul 21 01:40:55 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 09:40:55 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] A couple of questions Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0220210F@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Thanks Salim, I recon you are right on the money with why Nakamichi did not put markers on the ZX9 and Dragon. I have checked the pb head alignment and it is spot on, I've aligned the rec head to the pb head and the recordings sound fantastic on the ZX9 but they sound dull on the other naks including my car units. Perhaps it needs internal calibration? Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Salim Marzuki [mailto:smarzuki at indosat.net.id] Sent: Monday, 21 July 2003 3:18 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] A couple of questions Hi Tom, My 68x's trimpots show different position for each channel for all tape types ! Not a pretty sight ... I guess that's why Nak leave the marker off dragon and zx pots. No clue on your ZX 'problem'. In any case how do you know if the heads are spot on with the other decks ? What happen if you align the ZX pb head to tapes made on your other deck ? (don't forget to mark original zx azimuth position unless you have Nak test tapes). Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos To: Naktalk mail list (E-mail) Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 5:35 AM Subject: [naktalk] A couple of questions Howdy all. I have two questions I'd like to ask the group. The first question goes out to all the 680ZX users out there, when you calibrate the deck to the cassette you wish to use and turn the little trim pots under the fluorescent display should the trim pots be in the same position as each other i.e. both in the 11 o'clock position? Question number two. My ZX9 can make some killer recordings and when played back on the same unit it sound great, but if I take the recorded cassette out from my ZX9 and into my 680ZX, or my RX505 or even my BX300 it sounds dull. The head alignment is spot on with the other decks so what could the problem be? Any info would be appreciated. Tom Siomopoulos ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From ti at amb.org Mon Jul 21 09:34:27 2003 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 00:34:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Tape In-Reply-To: <000d01c34f08$e647be60$281b0cd0@r7g1f8> from "Babin/Greseth" at Jul 20, 2003 02:50:09 PM Message-ID: <200307210734.HAA06675@amb.org> Babin/Greseth writes: > When I bought my 680ZX many years ago in Singapore, the dealer gave me = > a case (12) of Nak ZX C-60s > I still have them and they work great. Was Nakamichi ever in the black = > media business, or are these most likely "stencils"? I heard that Nakamichi-branded tapes are really TDKs: Nak SX = TDK SA Nak ZX = TDK MA Not sure about the Nak EX, but it's probably the TDK AD. -Ti Nakamichi Dragon -- /// Ti Kan Vorsprung durch Technik /// AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA /// ti at amb.org ////// http://www.amb.org/ti/ /// From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Jul 21 10:19:28 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 10:19:28 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Analogue Cassette Info In-Reply-To: <005a01c34f10$ba919540$7d106343@johnnyrotten> References: <000c01c34d84$47a95f50$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6> <005a01c34f10$ba919540$7d106343@johnnyrotten> Message-ID: <14320.212.78.179.234.1058775568.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> John, As far as I can see he is still a member of naktalk... copytec at coqui.net found in: naktalk Maybe other things are more important in his life right now, it can happen! Wouter > Bleus, > > Did you ever hear anymore from Carlos on the tape marathon CD? It seems > such a shame that the two tapes apparently made it to Puerto Rico then > nothing happened. > > Carlos are you there good buddy? > > John T. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: KJ Bleus > To: jvbrhg at seanet.com > Cc: naktalk at naks.com ; KJ Bleus > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 7:28 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Analogue Cassette Info > > > Randall, > > I suggest that you keep your eyes on ebay.com, do a search under > "cassette tape, maxell". Often, you'll find four packs or a box of ten > XLIIS cassettes offered at very reasonably prices. > > Purchasing directly, I recommend these websites: > > XLIIS 60s & 90s (boxes too!), good prices! > http://www.jazsound.com/products.asp?Action=Company&CompanyName=MAXELL > > MX-S 60s available.... > http://www.totalmedia.com/catalog/catalog_home.asp?CatID=1233&OID=-1&CID=&bustype=01 > > XLIIS 60s available.... > http://www.gbaudio.co.uk/maxell.htm > > > Regards, > > Bleus de Nakker > Madison, Wisc USA > kjbleus at charter.net > > > --Orig Message-- > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 08:19:50 -0700 > From: "Babin/Greseth" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Analogue Cassette Info > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Message-ID: <001101c34d40$08345940$a41d0cd0 at r7g1f8> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Next Question Mr. Bleus- > > I too think the Maxell XLIIs was the best around for my ear. I > contacted Maxell; they no longer make the XLIIs, just the XLII. I don't > know what that is all about. They tried to pawn it off on a marketing > issue. > > The big question-what website have you found that has good prices, fast > delivery etc for blank analog media? > > Randall Greseth > Seattle, Washington, USA > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------======== > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------================------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Jul 21 11:53:19 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 11:53:19 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak registration overview Message-ID: <10041.212.78.179.234.1058781199.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Here's the status of the registration 'project', now also including the amount of naktalk members who registered. Wouter Registrants: -------------------------- total: 52 naktalk members who registered: 36 (367 members on naktalk) Registered products: -------------------------- total: 124 Products: -------------------------- Dragon 16 CR7 9 680ZX 6 HighComII 6 ZX7 6 BX300 5 RX505 4 660ZX 4 480 4 1000ZXL 4 MR1 3 CR2 3 BX2 3 NR100 3 BX125 3 550 3 RX202 3 LX3 2 581 2 BX1 2 DR3 2 700ZXE 2 1000TriTracer 2 700TriTracer 2 NR200 2 CR3 2 682ZX 2 LX5 2 481 1 600II 1 582 1 CR4 1 ZX9 1 BX150 1 PS100 1 TD700 1 670ZX 1 600 1 481Z 1 RX303 1 480Z 1 482Z 1 CassetteDeck1 1 CR1 1 580 1 Firstowner: -------------------------- No 79 2nd 30 1st 9 3rd 6 Source: -------------------------- Ebay 60 Friend 15 Audio Shop 11 Bought through classified ad 10 Add in Newspaper 9 Other Shop 7 Other online Auction 6 Other 5 Offline Auction 1 Technicalstate: -------------------------- Used but working fine 49 Like new 39 Minor problems 19 Needs repairs 16 Parts unit 1 Opticalstate: -------------------------- Normal usage wear 59 Like new 47 Some scratches 14 Badly scratched 3 From cptarun at yahoo.co.in Mon Jul 21 11:57:51 2003 From: cptarun at yahoo.co.in (=?iso-8859-1?q?Chandra=20Tarun?=) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 10:57:51 +0100 (BST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: changing the head on the ZX-9 needed? In-Reply-To: <200307181231.h6ICVHUw005313@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <20030721095751.59229.qmail@web8203.mail.in.yahoo.com> Dear Tom, About replacing the ZX-9 heads: thanks for the tip. I've never seen any kinds of creases or other marks on the cassette after playing it on the ZX-9. I guess the heads are therefore okay. However, I was told that with age, these heads can sort-of decay, e.g. the internal binders and adhesives may weaken and allow coils to move from their original positions, etc. Do all of you who've evidently taken apart many a deck feel that this is possible? In simple language, if I replace the head of a 15-year-old ZX-9 with a new one, will there almost always be a marked improvement in the sound quality? And just curious: how much do a set of three original Nak heads cost for the ZX-9? I'd also be curious to know what Nak heads for their other 3-head models cost, just for my info. I'm not asking for the services fees for doing the replacement... that will vary with the professional agency doing the job. Thanks and regards, Tarun ________________________________________________________________________ Send free SMS using the Yahoo! Messenger. Go to http://in.mobile.yahoo.com/new/pc/ From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Jul 21 14:36:55 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 13:36:55 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Tape In-Reply-To: <200307210734.HAA06675@amb.org> Message-ID: <000b01c34f84$c4e31680$9fae87d9@oemcomputer> As I recall from a previous note about this a year or more ago, one of our more senior members (was it Carlos?) at that time confirmed that Nakamichi tapes were indeed made by TDK BUT ... Apparently, these tapes are cut from a wide piece of material upon which the appropriate coatings have been added, The Nakamichi tapes were apparently cut from the centre of the roles of this material where the quality of the coatings could be guaranteed to be uniform and of the correct thickness. TDK used the rest of the material. Can anyone confirm this? Graham > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Ti Kan > Sent: 21 July 2003 08:34 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Tape > > > Babin/Greseth writes: > > When I bought my 680ZX many years ago in Singapore, the dealer > gave me = > > a case (12) of Nak ZX C-60s > > I still have them and they work great. Was Nakamichi ever in > the black = > > media business, or are these most likely "stencils"? > > I heard that Nakamichi-branded tapes are really TDKs: > > Nak SX = TDK SA > Nak ZX = TDK MA > > Not sure about the Nak EX, but it's probably the TDK AD. > > -Ti > Nakamichi Dragon > -- > /// Ti Kan Vorsprung durch Technik > /// AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA > /// ti at amb.org > ////// http://www.amb.org/ti/ > /// > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.501 / Virus Database: 299 - Release Date: 14/07/03 From HerbChong at compuserve.com Mon Jul 21 16:51:16 2003 From: HerbChong at compuserve.com (Herb Chong) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 10:51:16 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Tape Message-ID: <200307211051_MC3-1-436F-BF7D@compuserve.com> i don't know about the place where they cut, but TDK was the OEM of Nakamichi tapes for a long time. TDK SA, MA, and AD were the specific formulations i remember. Herb... From jmtooley at ce.net Mon Jul 21 17:09:13 2003 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 11:09:13 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Analogue Cassette Info References: <000c01c34d84$47a95f50$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6> <005a01c34f10$ba919540$7d106343@johnnyrotten> <14320.212.78.179.234.1058775568.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <004b01c34f9a$0c2b0650$1a116343@johnnyrotten> Wouter, Carlos said at one point that he was moving and that he was very busy but I was hoping that maybe he could find time to transfer the cassettes to CD or dub them on to new cassettes. John T. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wouter Heijke" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 4:19 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Analogue Cassette Info John, As far as I can see he is still a member of naktalk... copytec at coqui.net found in: naktalk Maybe other things are more important in his life right now, it can happen! Wouter > Bleus, > > Did you ever hear anymore from Carlos on the tape marathon CD? It seems > such a shame that the two tapes apparently made it to Puerto Rico then > nothing happened. > > Carlos are you there good buddy? > > John T. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: KJ Bleus > To: jvbrhg at seanet.com > Cc: naktalk at naks.com ; KJ Bleus > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 7:28 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Analogue Cassette Info > > > Randall, > > I suggest that you keep your eyes on ebay.com, do a search under > "cassette tape, maxell". Often, you'll find four packs or a box of ten > XLIIS cassettes offered at very reasonably prices. > > Purchasing directly, I recommend these websites: > > XLIIS 60s & 90s (boxes too!), good prices! > http://www.jazsound.com/products.asp?Action=Company&CompanyName=MAXELL > > MX-S 60s available.... > http://www.totalmedia.com/catalog/catalog_home.asp?CatID=1233&OID=-1&CID=&bu stype=01 > > XLIIS 60s available.... > http://www.gbaudio.co.uk/maxell.htm > > > Regards, > > Bleus de Nakker > Madison, Wisc USA > kjbleus at charter.net > > > --Orig Message-- > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 08:19:50 -0700 > From: "Babin/Greseth" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Analogue Cassette Info > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Message-ID: <001101c34d40$08345940$a41d0cd0 at r7g1f8> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Next Question Mr. Bleus- > > I too think the Maxell XLIIs was the best around for my ear. I > contacted Maxell; they no longer make the XLIIs, just the XLII. I don't > know what that is all about. They tried to pawn it off on a marketing > issue. > > The big question-what website have you found that has good prices, fast > delivery etc for blank analog media? > > Randall Greseth > Seattle, Washington, USA > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ====== > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ==============-------------------------------------------------------------- ----========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Mon Jul 21 18:56:42 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 22:26:42 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Tape Message-ID: <20030721165642.0AEAB1150BB@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Tue Jul 22 00:30:11 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 04:00:11 +0530 (IST) Subject: Fwd: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi playback response. Message-ID: <20030721223011.25975114F24@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From enoyes at snet.net Tue Jul 22 04:33:46 2003 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 22:33:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Tape References: <000b01c34f84$c4e31680$9fae87d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3F1CA28A.8070804@snet.net> The Nak tapes were indeed TDK stock. I don't recall that anyone has actually confirmed that the Nakamichi variants were cut from the center of the tape rolls or not. Ed Nelson wrote: >As I recall from a previous note about this a year or more ago, one of our >more senior members (was it Carlos?) at that time confirmed that Nakamichi >tapes were indeed made by TDK BUT ... Apparently, these tapes are cut from >a wide piece of material upon which the appropriate coatings have been >added, The Nakamichi tapes were apparently cut from the centre of the roles >of this material where the quality of the coatings could be guaranteed to be >uniform and of the correct thickness. TDK used the rest of the material. > >Can anyone confirm this? > >Graham > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >>Behalf Of Ti Kan >>Sent: 21 July 2003 08:34 >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Tape >> >> >>Babin/Greseth writes: >> >> >>>When I bought my 680ZX many years ago in Singapore, the dealer >>> >>> >>gave me = >> >> >>>a case (12) of Nak ZX C-60s >>>I still have them and they work great. Was Nakamichi ever in >>> >>> >>the black = >> >> >>>media business, or are these most likely "stencils"? >>> >>> >>I heard that Nakamichi-branded tapes are really TDKs: >> >> Nak SX = TDK SA >> Nak ZX = TDK MA >> >>Not sure about the Nak EX, but it's probably the TDK AD. >> >>-Ti >>Nakamichi Dragon >>-- >> /// Ti Kan Vorsprung durch Technik >> /// AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA >> /// ti at amb.org >> ////// http://www.amb.org/ti/ >>/// >> >> >> >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.501 / Virus Database: 299 - Release Date: 14/07/03 > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marcdenis at iquebec.com Tue Jul 22 04:36:00 2003 From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 22:36:00 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Tape In-Reply-To: <000d01c34f08$e647be60$281b0cd0@r7g1f8> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20030721220857.037534c0@pop.iquebec.com> To the best of my knowledge, Nakamichi blank cassettes were made by TDK. The cassette shell definitely looked like TDK. Nakamichi specifications and tolerances were said to be tighter than for TDK's own tapes but I don't remember having ever seen the actual figures published. Nak tapes were basically a sure and easy way to get excellent performance from your deck, at a premium price. In my years as a Nak sales rep, I was routinely using Nak SX blank tapes for recording/playback comparisons when doing cassette deck clinics at dealers and they were certainly fines tapes that measured consistently well. I heard stories too about using middle of rolls (as mentioned elsewhere in this thread) but cannot say for sure if they were urban legends or facts. At 14:50 2003/07/20 -0700, you wrote: >When I bought my 680ZX many years ago in Singapore, the dealer gave me a >case (12) of Nak ZX C-60s > >I still have them and they work great. Was Nakamichi ever in the black >media business, or are these most likely "stencils"? > >Randall Greseth >Seattle, Washington USA >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Jul 22 02:22:56 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 20:22:56 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-2 problems Message-ID: <3F1C83E0.8988C939@rcn.com> I'd like to access the collective wisdom of the technically minded among us. This CR-2 was completely dead. Rebuilding the control motor and cleaning the contacts got the transport going -- but in a strange way... What happens is that pressing PLAY does cause the cam to rotate correctly and to start play. Then, pressing STOP causes the cam to go in the right direction; however, it does not stop when it should, but continues to rotate and only stops after another complete revolution. IOW, instead of going back a fraction of a revolution, it goes back a fraction of a revolution plus a complete revolution. The same thing occurs in FF and REW. At first, I thought the contacts weren't closing properly, but all three checked OK. I can't believe the processor isn't fast enough. Does anyone have any idea what's going on? Stephen, Salim, Kannan, anyone? A second problem: one of the segments in the counter is burned out. Unfortunately, the counter is part of the whole display, so I didn't even try to find out how much it costs... Has any one parted a CR-2 that happens to have a good display panel? -- Ron From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Tue Jul 22 00:18:20 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 08:18:20 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Tape Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02202114@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Good question Kannan. I just received two Nakamichi SXII tapes in the mail yesterday, I opened one up and it looked exactly the same as the TDK SA-X! I think that they are identical to the TDK range from the 1982 vintage but cost a little more. I have not recorded on one yet - I'm saving these for "special" recordings. Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: kannan_s at vsnl.com [mailto:kannan_s at vsnl.com] Sent: Tuesday, 22 July 2003 2:57 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi Tape There are two important components to the cassette tape - shell as well the magnetic tape. How about nakamichi cassette shell - is it atleast better to claim the top money asked for Nak tapes? They were costing the earth at that time I suppose? any idea what was the cost difference between TDK MA and Nak ZX tapes? Kannan HerbChong at compuserve.com wrote i don't know about the place where they cut, but TDK was the OEM of Nakamichi tapes for a long time. TDK SA, MA, and AD were the specific formulations i remember. Herb... ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Tue Jul 22 00:40:16 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 08:40:16 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: changing the head on the ZX-9 needed? Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02202116@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> I think that the Nak heads are very robust, however, I have not heard about the symptoms that you have described before. I have naks that were built over 20 years ago and still retain full rich detail in both recording and playback. I guess if you replace the head of ZX9 with a new one it may sound better but it all depends on the following factors, how many hours use have the heads seen and were good tapes used. In terms of how much Nak heads cost I do not have any idea, perhaps some of our Nak brothers (and sisters?) could answer your question. Hope this helps. Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Chandra Tarun [mailto:cptarun at yahoo.co.in] Sent: Monday, 21 July 2003 7:58 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: changing the head on the ZX-9 needed? Dear Tom, About replacing the ZX-9 heads: thanks for the tip. I've never seen any kinds of creases or other marks on the cassette after playing it on the ZX-9. I guess the heads are therefore okay. However, I was told that with age, these heads can sort-of decay, e.g. the internal binders and adhesives may weaken and allow coils to move from their original positions, etc. Do all of you who've evidently taken apart many a deck feel that this is possible? In simple language, if I replace the head of a 15-year-old ZX-9 with a new one, will there almost always be a marked improvement in the sound quality? And just curious: how much do a set of three original Nak heads cost for the ZX-9? I'd also be curious to know what Nak heads for their other 3-head models cost, just for my info. I'm not asking for the services fees for doing the replacement... that will vary with the professional agency doing the job. Thanks and regards, Tarun ________________________________________________________________________ Send free SMS using the Yahoo! Messenger. Go to http://in.mobile.yahoo.com/new/pc/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From wontulp at zoomnet.com.au Tue Jul 22 02:04:38 2003 From: wontulp at zoomnet.com.au (David Thompson) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 10:04:38 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak registration overview In-Reply-To: <10041.212.78.179.234.1058781199.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> References: <10041.212.78.179.234.1058781199.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: I came in after this started so I don't know what it is about. David >Here's the status of the registration 'project', now also including the >amount of naktalk members who registered. > >Wouter > > >Registrants: >-------------------------- >total: 52 >naktalk members who registered: 36 (367 members on naktalk) > > >Registered products: >-------------------------- >total: 124 > > >Products: >-------------------------- >Dragon 16 >CR7 9 >680ZX 6 >HighComII 6 >ZX7 6 >BX300 5 >RX505 4 >660ZX 4 >480 4 >1000ZXL 4 >MR1 3 >CR2 3 >BX2 3 >NR100 3 >BX125 3 >550 3 >RX202 3 >LX3 2 >581 2 >BX1 2 >DR3 2 >700ZXE 2 >1000TriTracer 2 >700TriTracer 2 >NR200 2 >CR3 2 >682ZX 2 >LX5 2 >481 1 >600II 1 >582 1 >CR4 1 >ZX9 1 >BX150 1 >PS100 1 >TD700 1 >670ZX 1 >600 1 >481Z 1 >RX303 1 >480Z 1 >482Z 1 >CassetteDeck1 1 >CR1 1 >580 1 > > >Firstowner: >-------------------------- >No 79 >2nd 30 >1st 9 >3rd 6 > > >Source: >-------------------------- >Ebay 60 >Friend 15 >Audio Shop 11 >Bought through classified ad 10 >Add in Newspaper 9 >Other Shop 7 >Other online Auction 6 >Other 5 >Offline Auction 1 > > >Technicalstate: >-------------------------- >Used but working fine 49 >Like new 39 >Minor problems 19 >Needs repairs 16 >Parts unit 1 > > >Opticalstate: >-------------------------- >Normal usage wear 59 >Like new 47 >Some scratches 14 >Badly scratched 3 > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -- David Thompson Assistant Principal/Academic Coordinator Wontulp-Bi-Buya College PO Box 960N, North Cairns Qld 4870 PH 07 4041 4596, Fax 07 4041 4597 Mobile 0429 992 037 ABN 31 048 665 207 http://www.wontulp.qld.edu.au From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Jul 22 15:39:52 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 20:39:52 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: changing the head on the ZX-9 needed? References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02202116@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <001f01c35056$da63f7e0$ab299bca@smarzuki> Hi Tom and Tarun, Out of few single sided pb heads that I've replaced, only one seemed to be visibly worn out. The rest had either internal coil problems or simply manufacturing defects. Usually once they're working fine in that you got all the 15khz rec pb tone mark with several LEDs to spare then you wouldn't need to worry about replacing the head despite its flat out appearance (sign to buy a spare though). Out of curiousity I replaced a 700z pb head which was still in good / fair condition and noticed crispier top end (the head was bought for my beloved 482 but it had to give way to zxl =) New pb head is between 100-150 USD range and rec head slightly lesser. No info on erase head - and no pressing need up to now. I believe people pet their ZXs with extra care and don't play 'everyday' tapes on it, so yours should be in a relatively good condition compared to, say, 482. On the other hand I noticed pits develop more quickly on rarely used deck, so it's a good idea to put it on exercise at least once a week. Interestingly, 5 out of 6 dragons that I 'met' require head replacements. Victim of auto reverse button or softer overall head material with 6 channels ? Maybe lucky 505 owners can share the experience. Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 5:40 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: changing the head on the ZX-9 needed? I think that the Nak heads are very robust, however, I have not heard about the symptoms that you have described before. I have naks that were built over 20 years ago and still retain full rich detail in both recording and playback. I guess if you replace the head of ZX9 with a new one it may sound better but it all depends on the following factors, how many hours use have the heads seen and were good tapes used. In terms of how much Nak heads cost I do not have any idea, perhaps some of our Nak brothers (and sisters?) could answer your question. Hope this helps. Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Chandra Tarun [mailto:cptarun at yahoo.co.in] Sent: Monday, 21 July 2003 7:58 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: changing the head on the ZX-9 needed? Dear Tom, About replacing the ZX-9 heads: thanks for the tip. I've never seen any kinds of creases or other marks on the cassette after playing it on the ZX-9. I guess the heads are therefore okay. However, I was told that with age, these heads can sort-of decay, e.g. the internal binders and adhesives may weaken and allow coils to move from their original positions, etc. Do all of you who've evidently taken apart many a deck feel that this is possible? In simple language, if I replace the head of a 15-year-old ZX-9 with a new one, will there almost always be a marked improvement in the sound quality? And just curious: how much do a set of three original Nak heads cost for the ZX-9? I'd also be curious to know what Nak heads for their other 3-head models cost, just for my info. I'm not asking for the services fees for doing the replacement... that will vary with the professional agency doing the job. Thanks and regards, Tarun From rtl at noctrl.edu Tue Jul 22 19:57:08 2003 From: rtl at noctrl.edu (Robert Lehe) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 12:57:08 -0500 Subject: Fwd: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi playback response. References: <20030721223011.25975114F24@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <3F1D7AF4.9030000@noctrl.edu> Reply to kannan, Your explanation does not make sense to me. If heads of Yamaha et.al had difficulty getting high fequencies on the tape, it would be easy for them to compensate by boosting the high frequencies on playback. That can be done with the electronics in the amplifiers and does not require better heads. But if this is what were happening, the tapes would sound dull on the Nak, which is exactly the opposite of what is happening. The recordings made on my Yamaha have plenty of highs, which is why they sound too bright on the Nak. It would seem to me that the eq standard adopted by Nak is the easier way to get good HF response. Put less HF on the tape and then elevate the playback response. Of course, this would involve noise penalty, but the Naks are quiet enough to tolerate that tradeoff.. Incidentally, I just got a CR1A today, which someone suggested followed the industry standard. The Yamaha tapes sound perfect on the CR1A. It now seems to me that an older Nak was not a good choice for playing back good tapes make on other decks, although it is fine for tapes that need a little high frequency boost. Tad kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: >------------ Forwarded Message ----------- >bk11 at thuntek.net wrote >The root of your problem is not the deviation from standards of the Nak, but >of the other deck manufacturers. Yamaha, Sony, Onkyo, HK, and most others >have used tape heads that aren't even capable of playback response that >conforms to the relaxed IEC2 standards, so they tweak the hell out of the >REC equalisation to boost the treble by as much as 9dB, to compensate for >the miserable PB performance & enable publishing specs that appear >respectable. This would quite clearly account for what you are observing. > >Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer >Talking Dog Transducer Company >http://stephensank.com >5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] >505-332-0336 >Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer >Payments preferred through Paypal.com >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Robert Lehe" >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 1:54 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi playback response. > > > > >>I based on the fact that my treble control has got to go to about 10 >>o'clock when playing tapes made on my other decks on my BX300, I gotta >>think it is more like 3 db at 10k hz. >> >>Tad >> >> >>Scott Johnson wrote: >> >> >> >>>The different between the old and new record >>>equalization is fairly minor. I think it's only about >>>2dB difference at 18 kHz. Probably not really >>>noticeable. A slight azimuth error would be far more >>>noticeable. >>> >>>Scott J. >>> >>>--- Bruce Embry wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Hi all, >>>>This is real funny about the frequency compensation >>>>on the Naks deck. The reason I said it real funny >>>>is because I have cassette tapes recorded on many >>>>different high end three head and two head >>>>recorders. Here is the list >>>>Teac A-100 recorded with Dolby B >>>>Teac A-450 recorded with Dolby B. >>>>Aka GXC-740D: tapes here recorded with Dolby B or >>>>external DBX 224x >>>>Akkia GX-8 tape recorded with this deck are all DBX. >>>> >>>> >>>>Now I have the tape deck I always wanted Naks Tri >>>>Tracer 700, yes its 30 years old. >>>>And all of my early tapes sound fantastic. The high >>>>are there, the low are there, the music is all >>>>there. The funny thing is that these tapes have not >>>>degraded. They are TDK ADs & SXs, Maxell XL-II ETC. >>>> >>>> >>>>Even the DBX tapes that when played though the 700 >>>>and the DBX 224x sound great too. >>>> >>>>By the way, the GXC-740D is in the closet, the post >>>>tape guide is wore out and can't be replace. The >>>>first tape guide is in perfect shape. Thank God >>>>that the Nak only uses one tape guide, maybe it will >>>>hold up better. The GX-8 has a head alignment >>>>problem, I am going to have it fix someday. I sold >>>>the TEAC A-450 when I purchase the GXC-740D back in >>>>1978. Yes I have tapes recorded before 1978 on the >>>>TEAC A-450 and they play perfectly on the NAK. >>>> >>>>So guys and gals I going to disagree with you! >>>> >>>>You have to remember that during the recording >>>>process Dolby B & C will boost the high frequencies, >>>>compressing them to a high level. During playback >>>>the high frequencies are return back to normal. >>>>If Dolby B & C levels are not match perfectly match, >>>>then a boost or cut in high frequency response can >>>>occur upon playback. >>>> >>>>The DBX system requires that the record / playback >>>>process has the same frequency response. >>>>If there was a drastic difference in the frequency >>>>response between my GXC-740 and GX-8 and the Nak, >>>>then there would be pumping when playing my DBX >>>>encoded tapes. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>===================================================== >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Bruce A Embry >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>===================================================== >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Matthew Brody >>>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 11:31 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi playback >>>>response. >>>> >>>> >>>> I have just started doing recordings with my >>>>latest acquisition, a CR-7A. THe tapes even sound >>>>good on the stock Toyota cassette player! On my >>>>Denon they are superb! >>>> >>>> mb >>>> >>>> Robert Lehe wrote: >>>> >>>>Thanks for the explanation. It makes sense and is >>>>consistent with my >>>>observations. I hope you are right about the CR >>>>series--I just won a CR1a >>>>on ebay. It hasnt arrived yet, but I am hoping it >>>>is a better match than >>>>my BX300 to my existing tapes. >>>> >>>>Tad >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Naks have playback response with a high frequency >>>>rise, >>>> That is true, at least with the older Nak >>>>decks. Tape >>>>has non linear frequency response and to compensate >>>>you need to boost the highs. You compensate for the >>>>highs during recording and some more during >>>>playback. >>>>How much compensation during playback and record is >>>>where early Nak decks and other decks differ. Early >>>>Nakamichi decks do less compensation during >>>>recording, >>>>because it causes the signal to distort earlier and >>>>lowers how strong a signal you can record on the >>>>tape >>>>before distortion occurs. Early Naks do a little >>>>more >>>>compensation on the playback side. This accounts >>>>for >>>>Nak tapes sounding dull on other decks and vice >>>>versa. >>>> >>>> >>>>The problem started when Nakamichi decided not to >>>>adopt the IEC-1983 (I think that's the right number) >>>>record/playback equalization standard like everyone >>>>else. Supposedly the new standard was to help >>>>compensate for the poor head designs at the time, a >>>>problem that Nakamichi apparently didn't have. >>>>Nakamichi continued to use the older standard and >>>>subsequently incurred a bad reputation of not being >>>>compatible. I believe that Nakamichi finally >>>>adopted >>>>the the new standard in the late 80's to early 90's. >>>>I believe it was incorporated during the time of the >>>>CR series, but, not in early CR-5's and CR-7's. I'm >>>>not sure about the Dragon or the RX series which >>>>were >>>>also produced through that transition period. I >>>>know >>>>for a fact that there is a version of the MR-1 that >>>>has the newer record/playback equalization. It was >>>>called the MR-1B, but, you will never see the B on >>>>the >>>>front or back of the deck. It can only be >>>>identified >>>>by checking component values inside or by looking >>>>for >>>>a small white dot sticker on the bottom cover. >>>> >>>>Scott J. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>--- RTLehe at aol.com wrote: >>>> I am relatively new to the Nakamichi world. I >>>>did >>>>use a 2 head 500 dual >>>>tracer for a short time in the mid 70's, but most of >>>>my more than 2,000 tapes >>>>were made on other decks I owned. I noticed when I >>>>had the 500 that tapes made >>>>on that deck sounded dull on my other decks. For >>>>most of the last 15 years I >>>>have used a Yamaha deck, which I got because of the >>>>play trim, which enabled >>>>me to get good response from the tapes made on the >>>>old Nak. When the Yamaha >>>>finally died I started looking for a new deck, and >>>>was disappointed to find that >>>>there were not many decent decks being make any >>>>more. So I acquired several >>>>used decks on ebay, including some Denons, Yamahas, >>>>Aiwas and a couple of >>>>Naks. I have heard for a long time about a lack of >>>>playback response >>>>compatibility between Naks and other decks. Now I >>>>have had a chance to experience it >>>>first hand again. I have read some theories about a >>>>different head design and >>>>head gap for Naks that makes their recordings not >>>>sound right on other decks. I >>>>do not know about that. But it seems to that what >>>>is really going on is that >>>>the Naks have playback response with a high >>>>frequency rise, which makes tapes >>>>made on other decks sound bright and tapes made on >>>>the Nak sound dull on other >>>>decks. Two questions. Is it true that the Nak >>>>incompatiblility issue is >>>>mainly a matter of their having a rising high >>>>frequency playback response? And >>>>if so, why has Nak not conformed to the industry >>>>standard playback response >>>>curve? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------= >> >> >======== > > >>> >>> >>>> Naktalk at naks.com >>>>mailinglist >>>>To maintain your account please go here: >>>>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------= >> >> >======== > > >>> >>> >>>> __________________________________ >>>>Do you Yahoo!? >>>>SBC Yahoo! 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URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 22 21:38:29 2003 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 12:38:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi playback response. In-Reply-To: <20030721223011.25975114F24@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <20030722193829.64731.qmail@web40405.mail.yahoo.com> The following is a message that I posted on Naktalk a couple years ago. It took me a while to find it. >The following is from a Service Information document >from Nakamichi dated, 6/10/87. It explains the root >cause of why tapes recorded on Nakamichi decks sound >different on other decks and vice versa. I have to >warn you. Nakamichi is a little harsh and almost >makes it sound like everyone else is an idiot. > >----------- >To enable users to produce tape on the Nakamichi MR-1 >which sound acceptable when played on cassette decks >using playback heads of inferior quality, Nakamichi >has made available two versions of the MR-1, called >the MR-1 and the MR-1B. The "B" designation denotes a >machine which has had its record and playback >equalization altered to conform to the IEC March 1981 >equalization, rather than the earlier IEC standard >which Nakamichi has followed since the introduction of >our first products into the United States market in >the early 70's. > >These two models are not differentiated in any way on >the front or back panels, both are identified as being >MR-1's. MR-1B models are generally marked with a >small white dot affixed to the bottom panel near the >rear of the machine.... > >... The following general observations can be made >about certain characteristics of the MR-1B as compared >to the MR-1. > >Playback response -- aprox. +4dB at 15kHz using >Nakamichi playback response tape DA09002. Flat >response using BASF IEC standard PBFR tape. > >Record characteristics -- Distortion approx. 0.1 to >0.5% higher than normal at 0dB, depending on tape >type. Maximum record level (before 3% THD is reached) >about 2dB lower then MR-1. > >------------------------ >The following is from Nakamichi Techinical Information >bulletin dated 8/27/85 >General-- >The following modification is offered in order that >the record/playback characteristics of the Nakamichi >MR-1 may be altered to closely resemble the many decks >with non-standard equalization. > It must be noted that record/playback performance of >the altered unit will be diminished. > >----------------- >The following is from Dolby Laboratories/San Francisco > Nakamichi MR-1 IEC E.Q. Modifications >Intro-- >Due to the number of inquiries by licensees and >clients of Dolby Laboratories requesting information >modifying the record and playback equalization in the >Nakamichi model MR-1 cassette deck to current IEC >standards, the following information is provided as a >guideling to assist in these modifications. They >should not be considered absolute, as the >modifications described may vary depending upon who's >playback alignment standard (playback e.q. mod.) and >which blank tape stock (record e.q. mod.) is chosen. > I have copies of all three of these documents if anyone is interested in sending me money for a copy. :-) The first two I have copied in it's entirety. The last one has schematic clips with the recommended component value changes to modify the MR-1 to conform to the "non-standard equalization" I don't recommend anyone modifiying the deck yourself. One, the performance of your deck will be diminished and two you will need to do a full calibration. Scott J. ------------------------------------------------ --- kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > > > ------------ Forwarded Message ----------- > bk11 at thuntek.net wrote > The root of your problem is not the deviation from > standards of the Nak, but > of the other deck manufacturers. Yamaha, Sony, > Onkyo, HK, and most others > have used tape heads that aren't even capable of > playback response that > conforms to the relaxed IEC2 standards, so they > tweak the hell out of the > REC equalisation to boost the treble by as much as > 9dB, to compensate for > the miserable PB performance & enable publishing > specs that appear > respectable. This would quite clearly account for > what you are observing. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer > Talking Dog Transducer Company > http://stephensank.com > 5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] > 505-332-0336 > Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer > Payments preferred through Paypal.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Lehe" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 1:54 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi playback response. > > > > I based on the fact that my treble control has got > to go to about 10 > > o'clock when playing tapes made on my other decks > on my BX300, I gotta > > think it is more like 3 db at 10k hz. > > > > Tad > > > > > > Scott Johnson wrote: > > > > >The different between the old and new record > > >equalization is fairly minor. I think it's only > about > > >2dB difference at 18 kHz. Probably not really > > >noticeable. A slight azimuth error would be far > more > > >noticeable. > > > > > >Scott J. > > > > > >--- Bruce Embry > wrote: > > > > > > > > >>Hi all, > > >>This is real funny about the frequency > compensation > > >>on the Naks deck. The reason I said it real > funny > > >>is because I have cassette tapes recorded on > many > > >>different high end three head and two head > > >>recorders. Here is the list > > >>Teac A-100 recorded with Dolby B > > >>Teac A-450 recorded with Dolby B. > > >>Aka GXC-740D: tapes here recorded with Dolby B > or > > >>external DBX 224x > > >>Akkia GX-8 tape recorded with this deck are all > DBX. > > >> > > >> > > >>Now I have the tape deck I always wanted Naks > Tri > > >>Tracer 700, yes its 30 years old. > > >>And all of my early tapes sound fantastic. The > high > > >>are there, the low are there, the music is all > > >>there. The funny thing is that these tapes have > not > > >>degraded. They are TDK ADs & SXs, Maxell XL-II > ETC. > > >> > > >> > > >>Even the DBX tapes that when played though the > 700 > > >>and the DBX 224x sound great too. > > >> > > >>By the way, the GXC-740D is in the closet, the > post > > >>tape guide is wore out and can't be replace. > The > > >>first tape guide is in perfect shape. Thank God > > >>that the Nak only uses one tape guide, maybe it > will > > >>hold up better. The GX-8 has a head alignment > > >>problem, I am going to have it fix someday. I > sold > > >>the TEAC A-450 when I purchase the GXC-740D back > in > > >>1978. Yes I have tapes recorded before 1978 on > the > > >>TEAC A-450 and they play perfectly on the NAK. > > >> > > >>So guys and gals I going to disagree with you! > > >> > > >>You have to remember that during the recording > > >>process Dolby B & C will boost the high > frequencies, > > >>compressing them to a high level. During > playback > > >>the high frequencies are return back to normal. > > >>If Dolby B & C levels are not match perfectly > match, > > >>then a boost or cut in high frequency response > can > > >>occur upon playback. > > >> > > >>The DBX system requires that the record / > playback > > >>process has the same frequency response. > > >>If there was a drastic difference in the > frequency > > >>response between my GXC-740 and GX-8 and the > Nak, > > >>then there would be pumping when playing my DBX > > >>encoded tapes. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > >===================================================== > > > > > > > > >>Bruce A Embry > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > >===================================================== > > > > > > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: Matthew Brody > > >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 11:31 AM > > >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi playback > > >>response. > > >> > > >> > > >> I have just started doing recordings with my > > >>latest acquisition, a CR-7A. THe tapes even > sound > > >>good on the stock Toyota cassette player! On my > > >>Denon they are superb! > > >> > > >> mb > > >> > > >> Robert Lehe wrote: > > >> > > >>Thanks for the explanation. It makes sense and > is > > >>consistent with my > > >>observations. I hope you are right about the CR > > >>series--I just won a CR1a > > >>on ebay. It hasnt arrived yet, but I am hoping > it > > >>is a better match than > > >>my BX300 to my existing tapes. > > >> > > >>Tad > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Naks have playback response with a high > frequency > > >>rise, > > >> That is true, at least with the older Nak > > >>decks. Tape > > >>has non linear frequency response and to > compensate > > >>you need to boost the highs. You compensate for > the > > >>highs during recording and some more during > > >>playback. > > >>How much compensation during playback and record > is > > >>where early Nak decks and other decks differ. > Early > > >>Nakamichi decks do less compensation during > > >>recording, > > >>because it causes the signal to distort earlier > and > > >>lowers how strong a signal you can record on the > === message truncated === __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Jul 22 21:48:50 2003 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 13:48:50 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] CR-2 problems References: <3F1C83E0.8988C939@rcn.com> Message-ID: <001101c3508a$49c65730$a73442cf@steve> I've only ever seen that caused by dirty leaf switch contacts on the cam. Try a burnishing tool on the contacts or physically scrape them to shiny with a tiny screwdriver. Also try bending the stationary contacts down a bit to increase contact pressure. If that doesn't cure it, look for cracked solder joints on the main processor IC & periphery. Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer Talking Dog Transducer Company http://stephensank.com 5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] 505-332-0336 Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer Payments preferred through Paypal.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 6:22 PM Subject: [naktalk] CR-2 problems > > I'd like to access the collective wisdom of the technically minded > among us. > > This CR-2 was completely dead. Rebuilding the control motor and > cleaning the contacts got the transport going -- but in a strange > way... > > What happens is that pressing PLAY does cause the cam to rotate > correctly and to start play. Then, pressing STOP causes the cam > to go in the right direction; however, it does not stop when it > should, but continues to rotate and only stops after another > complete revolution. IOW, instead of going back a fraction of a > revolution, it goes back a fraction of a revolution plus a > complete revolution. The same thing occurs in FF and REW. > > At first, I thought the contacts weren't closing properly, but > all three checked OK. I can't believe the processor isn't fast > enough. Does anyone have any idea what's going on? Stephen, > Salim, Kannan, anyone? > > A second problem: one of the segments in the counter is burned > out. Unfortunately, the counter is part of the whole display, > so I didn't even try to find out how much it costs... Has any > one parted a CR-2 that happens to have a good display panel? > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > From jvbrhg at seanet.com Tue Jul 22 22:35:09 2003 From: jvbrhg at seanet.com (Babin/Greseth) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 13:35:09 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Head Cleaner? Message-ID: <001601c35090$c0b4e860$701c0cd0@r7g1f8> What is the recommended head cleaner and pinch roller cleaner these days? You used to be able to buy specialized products, but no anymore. Randall Greseth Seattle, USA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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And going by what you're saying, it's not mandatory that a 20-year-old head will sound significantly worse than a new one (slightly worse is different). However, about the longevity of the heads, don't Nak themselves say that the ZX-9 heads are not as long lasting as the most durable heads made by other manufacturers? I read the ZX-9 brochure (someone has a copy on the Net, scanned images of six pages; I've downloaded all those pages if you want them) and there Nakamichi clearly states why they chose magnetic permeability over physical hardness. They say that even with the softer material they've chosen, the frequency response of the head will drop some tiny amount (0.5dB in the highs, if I remember right) after nine years of daily use of one hr a day, 365 days a year. That's a _lot_ of usage, but I don't know how heavily my deck has been used before it came to me... I suspect it was being used in a professional setup, and must have been used quite a bit. And then there's Bombay's "lush green tropical" climate doing its bit... :) Therefore, I guess my deck's head may not have suffered audible damage, but I was worrying about the pitting. I guess if it's okay audibly, and it doesn't crease my tapes, I should sit tight. Regards, Tarun ________________________________________________________________________ Send free SMS using the Yahoo! Messenger. Go to http://in.mobile.yahoo.com/new/pc/ From rtl at noctrl.edu Wed Jul 23 00:41:31 2003 From: rtl at noctrl.edu (Robert Lehe) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 17:41:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi playback response. References: <20030722222537.D8BAC114AE3@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <3F1DBD9B.6020400@noctrl.edu> The tapes made on my Yamaha and Denon decks (both high quality decks, as far as non-Naks go) definitely sound bright on my BX300, but ok on my CR1. It requires the treble control set to about 10 o'clock to compensate. Tapes made on the BX300 sound slightly dull on the Yamaha and Denon. If this were an azimuth adjustment issue, I should here a dulling of the highs on the Nak and the Yamaha when playing tapes made on the other. Tad kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: >Hi all >I had inadvertantly forwarded Stephen' reply - which had been already distributed couple of weaks ahead!. However this topic is an interesting one. When I play my tapes recorded on 582,BX1, CR7 or Dragon on my Car stereo the tapes play pretty neatly but not as glorious as in any Nak. Most of the time I feel that it may be due to lack of good electronics and may also be due to head charectristics. Most of the time we do not hear frequencies above 12- 13 Khz range> I doubt any adult hearing is beyond this range! Also you would find frequency extremes are present probably at -40dB when comparing to 315 Khz refrence (or 400 Hz dolby reference) this frequency itself chosen because the equalization curve is flat at this frquency! I also believe strongly that flat frquency response to 20 Khz is not a must for good replay. So if nakamichi stuck to earlier IEC standard and that standard is helpful in reducing distortion at higher frequencies, it is definitely preferable. Subjective ! > hearing will be much more clean with low distortion highs and lower noise! > >suppose such rcorded tape is played on the other machine, it may not sound much worse - like dull sounding as claimed by people - as it should be some 4 dB at 15 Khz! which can be adjusted by your tone control easily ( even -10 dB can be adjsuted ! with much less penalty on tape saturation as well as smearing of mid frquency. So subjectively the tape should still sound clean. Whereas the claim of dull sound is most probably due to gross Play head azimuth error! in the non Nak recorder. The reverse that the tapes made on another recorder should sound pretty bright and is it rally the case? can somebody claim such brightness when played on nak ? >Kannan > >p9019 at yahoo.com wrote >The following is a message that I posted on Naktalk a >couple years ago. It took me a while to find it. > > > >>The following is from a Service Information document >> >> >>from Nakamichi dated, 6/10/87. It explains the root > > >>cause of why tapes recorded on Nakamichi decks sound >>different on other decks and vice versa. I have to >>warn you. Nakamichi is a little harsh and almost >>makes it sound like everyone else is an idiot. >> >>----------- >>To enable users to produce tape on the Nakamichi MR-1 >>which sound acceptable when played on cassette decks >>using playback heads of inferior quality, Nakamichi >>has made available two versions of the MR-1, called >>the MR-1 and the MR-1B. The "B" designation denotes >> >> >a > > >>machine which has had its record and playback >>equalization altered to conform to the IEC March 1981 >>equalization, rather than the earlier IEC standard >>which Nakamichi has followed since the introduction >> >> >of > > >>our first products into the United States market in >>the early 70's. >> >>These two models are not differentiated in any way on >>the front or back panels, both are identified as >> >> >being > > >>MR-1's. MR-1B models are generally marked with a >>small white dot affixed to the bottom panel near the >>rear of the machine.... >> >>... The following general observations can be made >>about certain characteristics of the MR-1B as >> >> >compared > > >>to the MR-1. >> >>Playback response -- aprox. +4dB at 15kHz using >>Nakamichi playback response tape DA09002. Flat >>response using BASF IEC standard PBFR tape. >> >>Record characteristics -- Distortion approx. 0.1 to >>0.5% higher than normal at 0dB, depending on tape >>type. Maximum record level (before 3% THD is >> >> >reached) > > >>about 2dB lower then MR-1. >> >>------------------------ >>The following is from Nakamichi Techinical >> >> >Information > > >>bulletin dated 8/27/85 >>General-- >>The following modification is offered in order that >>the record/playback characteristics of the Nakamichi >>MR-1 may be altered to closely resemble the many >> >> >decks > > >>with non-standard equalization. >> It must be noted that record/playback performance >> >> >of > > >>the altered unit will be diminished. >> >>----------------- >>The following is from Dolby Laboratories/San >> >> >Francisco > > >> Nakamichi MR-1 IEC E.Q. Modifications >>Intro-- >>Due to the number of inquiries by licensees and >>clients of Dolby Laboratories requesting information >>modifying the record and playback equalization in the >>Nakamichi model MR-1 cassette deck to current IEC >>standards, the following information is provided as a >>guideling to assist in these modifications. They >>should not be considered absolute, as the >>modifications described may vary depending upon who's >>playback alignment standard (playback e.q. mod.) and >>which blank tape stock (record e.q. mod.) is chosen. >> >> >> >I have copies of all three of these documents if >anyone is interested in sending me money for a copy. >:-) The first two I have copied in it's entirety. >The last one has schematic clips with the recommended >component value changes to modify the MR-1 to conform >to the "non-standard equalization" I don't recommend >anyone modifiying the deck yourself. One, the >performance of your deck will be diminished and two >you will need to do a full calibration. > >Scott J. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jul 23 09:53:12 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 08:53:12 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Changing the head on the ZX-9 needed? In-Reply-To: <20030723020959.27698.qmail@web8202.mail.in.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000b01c350ef$772dc540$af7e893e@oemcomputer> Sit tight? Perhaps, but the ZX9 heads are not some off-the-shelf bit of kit that might be bought any time... Sadly, Nakamichi spares are becoming more rare by the day because Nakamichi isn't making them (although I noticed a while ago someone in the US has had a stock of ZX9 and 7 belts made up and has been selling them on eBay.) Some of our brothers are already having to resort to cannibalising old machines to keep their own ones working. While the ReVox B215 I bought a while back seems to have proven to be "a puppy" I am seriously considering buying another for replaying my cassette collection (because ReVox spares are still plentiful) and off-loading my BX-1 and the CR7 or ZX-9 while they still command a reasonable value. Gra' > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.502 / Virus Database: 300 - Release Date: 18/07/03 From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Wed Jul 23 10:12:04 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 10:12:04 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Maintenance; Life expectancy of heads: Tarun Message-ID: Hi Tarun, That was an interesting mail. I am setting about getting together (I have a couple of things already) spare heads, belts, rollers and guides that are applicable to the models I presently have. Unfortunately, the spares will not be around forever, so it's a good idea to have them packed away, preferably in a new vaccuumed sealed bag that (in the case of rubber belts) does not deform the item to be protected. I have a 480Z which seems to have the tiniest 'nick' on the head, but the sound is perfect and it does not leave any mark or crease on tapes. So, no worries!! Being an early (I think 2nd Generation Nak) model, I am anxious about replacement parts for it and should get my "a into g" so to speak. As far as I know, only the Akai GX heads, which have a glass film over them are likely to have longer lives than Nak heads. Akai were very, very proud of this concept of theirs and touted it at every opportunity. I personally have never heard their better machines such as GX-6, GX-8, GX 75, GX 95 and GX 95 II (all of which featured this design whose main purpose was longevity). However, the pad lifter concept on dual capstan Naks seems to substantially minimise head wear. I recall reading somewhere, that the Nakamichi heads have "precision laminated heads". Again, what that means, I don't know, although it sounds great!! Cheers, Marc >>> cptarun at yahoo.co.in 07/23/03 04:09AM >>> Dear Tom and Salim, Thanks for the inputs. Now at least I know that the price quoted by a local chap in Bombay for a full set of new ZX-9 heads (all three) was not excessive: he had quoted Rs.10,000, which at today's rates translate to USD 200 and change. And going by what you're saying, it's not mandatory that a 20-year-old head will sound significantly worse than a new one (slightly worse is different). However, about the longevity of the heads, don't Nak themselves say that the ZX-9 heads are not as long lasting as the most durable heads made by other manufacturers? I read the ZX-9 brochure (someone has a copy on the Net, scanned images of six pages; I've downloaded all those pages if you want them) and there Nakamichi clearly states why they chose magnetic permeability over physical hardness. They say that even with the softer material they've chosen, the frequency response of the head will drop some tiny amount (0.5dB in the highs, if I remember right) after nine years of daily use of one hr a day, 365 days a year. That's a _lot_ of usage, but I don't know how heavily my deck has been used before it came to me... I suspect it was being used in a professional setup, and must have been used quite a bit. And then there's Bombay's "lush green tropical" climate doing its bit... :) Therefore, I guess my deck's head may not have suffered audible damage, but I was worrying about the pitting. I guess if it's okay audibly, and it doesn't crease my tapes, I should sit tight. Regards, Tarun ________________________________________________________________________ Send free SMS using the Yahoo! Messenger. Go to http://in.mobile.yahoo.com/new/pc/ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ti at amb.org Wed Jul 23 10:47:41 2003 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 01:47:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi playback response. In-Reply-To: <3F1DBD9B.6020400@noctrl.edu> from "Robert Lehe" at Jul 22, 2003 05:41:31 PM Message-ID: <200307230847.IAA21300@amb.org> Robert Lehe writes: > The tapes made on my Yamaha and Denon decks (both high quality decks, as = > > far as non-Naks go) definitely sound bright on my BX300, but ok on my=20 > CR1. It requires the treble control set to about 10 o'clock to=20 > compensate. Tapes made on the BX300 sound slightly dull on the Yamaha=20 > and Denon. If this were an azimuth adjustment issue, I should here a=20 > dulling of the highs on the Nak and the Yamaha when playing tapes made=20 > on the other. As mentioned on this list before, Nakamichi's playback equalization is somewhat different than many other manufacturers' decks. An IEC reference tape that has flat response with respect to those other decks, when played on many Naks, will exhibit a rising treble response above 10KHz, reaching somewhere around 4dB at 16KHz and 5dB or so at 20KHz. The combined record/playback response on the Nak deck itself, however, should be ruler flat because the record and playback equalization settings are complementary. This is illustrated in a 1984 review of the Nakamichi Dragon that appeared in Stereo Review magazine. See a snapshot of the related graphs and description here: http://www.amb.org/ti/audio/dragonreview.jpg This mismatch will cause tapes made on the Nak to sound a bit dull on other decks, and tapes made on other decks to sound just a bit bright on the Nak (assuming, of course, that the other deck does not have a rolled off response above 10KHz). The Nak equalization has the benefit of slightly higher headroom (and hence lower distortion) in the higher frequencies when recording on the Nak. This is because of the slightly reduced extreme treble being forced upon the tape. The drawback is a small increase in tape hiss during playback on the Nak, but this is likely to be unnoticeable because Naks have excellent S/N ratio. -Ti Nakamichi Dragon -- /// Ti Kan Vorsprung durch Technik /// AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA /// ti at amb.org ////// http://www.amb.org/ti/ /// From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Jul 23 16:10:24 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 21:10:24 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Changing the head on the ZX-9 needed? References: <000b01c350ef$772dc540$af7e893e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <005e01c35128$fe1a8b40$e8299bca@smarzuki> Hi Brother Graham, Well, unlike general audio, this Nak thing is definitely one that we want to enjoy solely in our lifetime ... judging by the rate I play tapes on my ZX, the head maybe even roller will outlast me =) I've been using hi quality generic belt on ZX with no audible side effect and most of nak mech problems are with the weaker sankyos. Revox may be more like a tank but you don't get that special Nak sound. Don't worry about passing the deck to our kids, they will be using mp5 surround recorder anyway :-D Tarun, the catch of $200 for a complete head set is that you will be buying the rec head (rarely requires replacement) and erase head (never seen one worn). So you'd better look for a single pb head only or buy both ZX and dragon pb heads. Why ? If you love Naks like, well, like ... .some maniacs do, then big chance you'll get a dragon soon. You might even get a good deal when target deck's head is already worn out =) Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Nelson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 2:53 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Changing the head on the ZX-9 needed? Sit tight? Perhaps, but the ZX9 heads are not some off-the-shelf bit of kit that might be bought any time... Sadly, Nakamichi spares are becoming more rare by the day because Nakamichi isn't making them (although I noticed a while ago someone in the US has had a stock of ZX9 and 7 belts made up and has been selling them on eBay.) Some of our brothers are already having to resort to cannibalising old machines to keep their own ones working. While the ReVox B215 I bought a while back seems to have proven to be "a puppy" I am seriously considering buying another for replaying my cassette collection (because ReVox spares are still plentiful) and off-loading my BX-1 and the CR7 or ZX-9 while they still command a reasonable value. Gra' > From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Jul 23 16:44:55 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 21:44:55 +0700 Subject: Fwd: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi playback response. References: <20030721223011.25975114F24@webmail.vsnl.com> <3F1D7AF4.9030000@noctrl.edu> Message-ID: <005f01c35128$fee3f5c0$e8299bca@smarzuki> Hi Tad, Slight correction - heads of Yamaha et al had difficulty getting HF *out* of tape playback, not into the tape. Good HF pb response and good S/N requires good pb head system, i.e. narrow head gap, padlifter with precise dual capstans, as seen inside your BX300. That's why Yamaha et al found it difficult to meet previous IEC std and lobbied for a new 'relaxed' standard. Nakamichi argued that previous standard was better and went its own way, its design overkill had pinched the last drop from tape medium. This 'arrogance' was also one of the reason you don't see dolby HX on Nak decks (which may be a more cost effective way in following precious IEC std). Back to topic, the more highs you hear on your BX300 coming off tapes from other decks, the more EQ magic might be incorporated on those other deck's rec amp. Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Lehe To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 12:57 AM Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi playback response. Reply to kannan, Your explanation does not make sense to me. If heads of Yamaha et.al had difficulty getting high fequencies on the tape, it would be easy for them to compensate by boosting the high frequencies on playback. That can be done with the electronics in the amplifiers and does not require better heads. But if this is what were happening, the tapes would sound dull on the Nak, which is exactly the opposite of what is happening. The recordings made on my Yamaha have plenty of highs, which is why they sound too bright on the Nak. It would seem to me that the eq standard adopted by Nak is the easier way to get good HF response. Put less HF on the tape and then elevate the playback response. Of course, this would involve noise penalty, but the Naks are quiet enough to tolerate that tradeoff.. Incidentally, I just got a CR1A today, which someone suggested followed the industry standard. The Yamaha tapes sound perfect on the CR1A. It now seems to me that an older Nak was not a good choice for playing back good tapes make on other decks, although it is fine for tapes that need a little high frequency boost. Tad kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: ------------ Forwarded Message ----------- bk11 at thuntek.net wrote The root of your problem is not the deviation from standards of the Nak, but of the other deck manufacturers. Yamaha, Sony, Onkyo, HK, and most others have used tape heads that aren't even capable of playback response that conforms to the relaxed IEC2 standards, so they tweak the hell out of the REC equalisation to boost the treble by as much as 9dB, to compensate for the miserable PB performance & enable publishing specs that appear respectable. This would quite clearly account for what you are observing. Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer From kannan_s at vsnl.com Wed Jul 23 19:25:12 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 22:55:12 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Changing the head on the ZX-9 needed? Message-ID: <20030723172512.3F9B6114F14@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Wed Jul 23 19:37:32 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 23:07:32 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Maintenance; Life expectancy of heads: Tarun Message-ID: <20030723173732.3B43D114F42@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Wed Jul 23 20:31:16 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 20:31:16 +0200 Subject: Fwd: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi playback response. References: <20030721223011.25975114F24@webmail.vsnl.com> <3F1D7AF4.9030000@noctrl.edu> <005f01c35128$fee3f5c0$e8299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3F1ED474.B76E0B67@xs4all.nl> Hi All, I was going through some of my old mail from Hideo Goto (former Nakamichi technician and designer of models like 700ZXE) and found one interesting answer from him on a question by me and fits in this thread: > > What was the difference between the ZX-7 and 9? > > The PB amp circuit and components are the different. > And this is a confidential story. > We changed the Equalization curve slightly from this model. > Because other models before that, it has shifted a bit from the reference. > > > Regards, > [Goto] > I'll dig some more and see what i find ;-) Wouter Salim Marzuki wrote: > Hi Tad, > > Slight correction - heads of Yamaha et al had difficulty getting HF *out* of > tape playback, not into the tape. Good HF pb response and good S/N requires > good pb head system, i.e. narrow head gap, padlifter with precise dual > capstans, as seen inside your BX300. That's why Yamaha et al found it > difficult to meet previous IEC std and lobbied for a new 'relaxed' standard. > > Nakamichi argued that previous standard was better and went its own way, its > design overkill had pinched the last drop from tape medium. This > 'arrogance' was also one of the reason you don't see dolby HX on Nak decks > (which may be a more cost effective way in following precious IEC std). > > Back to topic, the more highs you hear on your BX300 coming off tapes from > other decks, the more EQ magic might be incorporated on those other deck's > rec amp. > > Cheers, > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Robert Lehe > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 12:57 AM > Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi playback response. > > Reply to kannan, > > Your explanation does not make sense to me. If heads of Yamaha et.al had > difficulty getting high fequencies on the tape, it would be easy for them to > compensate by boosting the high frequencies on playback. That can be done > with the electronics in the amplifiers and does not require better heads. > But if this is what were happening, the tapes would sound dull on the Nak, > which is exactly the opposite of what is happening. The recordings made on > my Yamaha have plenty of highs, which is why they sound too bright on the > Nak. It would seem to me that the eq standard adopted by Nak is the easier > way to get good HF response. Put less HF on the tape and then elevate the > playback response. Of course, this would involve noise penalty, but the > Naks are quiet enough to tolerate that tradeoff.. Incidentally, I just got > a CR1A today, which someone suggested followed the industry standard. The > Yamaha tapes sound perfect on the CR1A. It now seems to me that an older > Nak was not a good choice for playing back good tapes make on other decks, > although it is fine for tapes that need a little high frequency boost. > > Tad > > kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > > ------------ Forwarded Message ----------- > bk11 at thuntek.net wrote > The root of your problem is not the deviation from standards of the Nak, but > of the other deck manufacturers. Yamaha, Sony, Onkyo, HK, and most others > have used tape heads that aren't even capable of playback response that > conforms to the relaxed IEC2 standards, so they tweak the hell out of the > REC equalisation to boost the treble by as much as 9dB, to compensate for > the miserable PB performance & enable publishing specs that appear > respectable. This would quite clearly account for what you are observing. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Jul 24 00:03:22 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 23:03:22 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Changing the head on the ZX-9 needed? In-Reply-To: <005e01c35128$fe1a8b40$e8299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <001b01c35166$3b7456a0$23904c51@oemcomputer> ReVox versus Nak ... well, I can't say I've yet heard a prime condition ReVox B215 yet but the one I DO have (which is proving near impossible to mend ... ), when I did have a chance to record and play back, was not as "true" to the source as my ZX9. (Although, like the ZX9, it's rock solid for recording those difficult instruments like piano.) Indeed, to my ear, my Tom van der Hof modified ZX9 just has the edge over my CR7, although there is very little in it! (I would very much like to compare the ZX9 with one of Wouter's other Tom van der Hof modified Nak's ...) BTW, a frivolous thought just occurred ... there was a ZX7 and a ZX9. What happened to the ZX8???! Never made it off the drawing board?? Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Salim Marzuki > Sent: 23 July 2003 15:10 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Changing the head on the ZX-9 needed? > > > > Hi Brother Graham, > > Well, unlike general audio, this Nak thing is definitely one that > we want to > enjoy solely in our lifetime ... judging by the rate I play tapes > on my ZX, > the head maybe even roller will outlast me =) I've been using hi quality > generic belt on ZX with no audible side effect and most of nak > mech problems > are with the weaker sankyos. Revox may be more like a tank but you don't > get that special Nak sound. Don't worry about passing the deck > to our kids, > they will be using mp5 surround recorder anyway :-D > > Tarun, the catch of $200 for a complete head set is that you will > be buying > the rec head (rarely requires replacement) and erase head (never seen one > worn). So you'd better look for a single pb head only or buy both ZX and > dragon pb heads. Why ? If you love Naks like, well, like ... > .some maniacs > do, then big chance you'll get a dragon soon. You might even get a good > deal when target deck's head is already worn out =) > > Cheers, > Salim SM > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.502 / Virus Database: 300 - Release Date: 18/07/03 From jvbrhg at seanet.com Thu Jul 24 00:51:27 2003 From: jvbrhg at seanet.com (Babin/Greseth) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 15:51:27 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Realtime Message-ID: <000901c3516c$f5c2ad80$901d0cd0@r7g1f8> htttp://www.realtimepip.com/index.htm Go to the garage sale. Thought somebody might be interested in this one...especially for parts etc. Randall Greseth, Seattle, WA. USA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, Marc >>> graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk 07/24/03 12:03AM >>> ReVox versus Nak ... well, I can't say I've yet heard a prime condition ReVox B215 yet but the one I DO have (which is proving near impossible to mend ... ), when I did have a chance to record and play back, was not as "true" to the source as my ZX9. (Although, like the ZX9, it's rock solid for recording those difficult instruments like piano.) Indeed, to my ear, my Tom van der Hof modified ZX9 just has the edge over my CR7, although there is very little in it! (I would very much like to compare the ZX9 with one of Wouter's other Tom van der Hof modified Nak's ...) BTW, a frivolous thought just occurred ... there was a ZX7 and a ZX9. What happened to the ZX8???! Never made it off the drawing board?? Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Salim Marzuki > Sent: 23 July 2003 15:10 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Changing the head on the ZX-9 needed? > > > > Hi Brother Graham, > > Well, unlike general audio, this Nak thing is definitely one that > we want to > enjoy solely in our lifetime ... judging by the rate I play tapes > on my ZX, > the head maybe even roller will outlast me =) I've been using hi quality > generic belt on ZX with no audible side effect and most of nak > mech problems > are with the weaker sankyos. Revox may be more like a tank but you don't > get that special Nak sound. Don't worry about passing the deck > to our kids, > they will be using mp5 surround recorder anyway :-D > > Tarun, the catch of $200 for a complete head set is that you will > be buying > the rec head (rarely requires replacement) and erase head (never seen one > worn). So you'd better look for a single pb head only or buy both ZX and > dragon pb heads. Why ? If you love Naks like, well, like ... > .some maniacs > do, then big chance you'll get a dragon soon. You might even get a good > deal when target deck's head is already worn out =) > > Cheers, > Salim SM > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.502 / Virus Database: 300 - Release Date: 18/07/03 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Jul 24 16:09:15 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 10:09:15 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Changing the head on the ZX-9 needed? References: <001b01c35166$3b7456a0$23904c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3F1FE88B.B4E32362@rcn.com> I think I have related this comment before, but, if not, here it is... Years ago, when I was still living in colorado Springs, my then 582 lost its capstan motor. I ordered a new one from Nakamichi, but after installation realized I had neither the 3KHz tape nor the frequency counter necessary for speed adjustment. So, I drove it 70 miles up to Listen-Up in Denver. As the tech was adjusting the speed, we were chatting and I commented on Nak's poor reliability (the 582 was no more than 3 years old). The tech then made a comment that has stayed with me to this day: "If you want reliability, get a ReVox. But, if you want the best possible cassette sound, you are stuck with Nakamichi". Since then I have bought a ReVox TT (still use it often) and a ReVox receiver. But my cassette recorder was always a Nak. -- Ron Nelson wrote: > > ReVox versus Nak ... well, I can't say I've yet heard a prime condition > ReVox B215 yet but the one I DO have (which is proving near impossible to > mend ... ), when I did have a chance to record and play back, was not as > "true" to the source as my ZX9. (Although, like the ZX9, it's rock solid > for recording those difficult instruments like piano.) Indeed, to my ear, > my Tom van der Hof modified ZX9 just has the edge over my CR7, although > there is very little in it! (I would very much like to compare the ZX9 with > one of Wouter's other Tom van der Hof modified Nak's ...) > > BTW, a frivolous thought just occurred ... there was a ZX7 and a ZX9. What > happened to the ZX8???! Never made it off the drawing board?? > > Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Salim Marzuki > > Sent: 23 July 2003 15:10 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Changing the head on the ZX-9 needed? > > > > > > > > Hi Brother Graham, > > > > Well, unlike general audio, this Nak thing is definitely one that > > we want to > > enjoy solely in our lifetime ... judging by the rate I play tapes > > on my ZX, > > the head maybe even roller will outlast me =) I've been using hi quality > > generic belt on ZX with no audible side effect and most of nak > > mech problems > > are with the weaker sankyos. Revox may be more like a tank but you don't > > get that special Nak sound. Don't worry about passing the deck > > to our kids, > > they will be using mp5 surround recorder anyway :-D > > > > Tarun, the catch of $200 for a complete head set is that you will > > be buying > > the rec head (rarely requires replacement) and erase head (never seen one > > worn). So you'd better look for a single pb head only or buy both ZX and > > dragon pb heads. Why ? If you love Naks like, well, like ... > > .some maniacs > > do, then big chance you'll get a dragon soon. You might even get a good > > deal when target deck's head is already worn out =) > > > > Cheers, > > Salim SM From kannan_s at vsnl.com Thu Jul 24 20:01:30 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 23:31:30 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] ZX series numbering Message-ID: <20030724180130.760F5115776@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From cptarun at yahoo.co.in Thu Jul 24 17:50:43 2003 From: cptarun at yahoo.co.in (=?iso-8859-1?q?Chandra=20Tarun?=) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 16:50:43 +0100 (BST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Changing heads of ZX-9 needed In-Reply-To: <200307240732.h6O7VrUw030667@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <20030724155043.84125.qmail@web8202.mail.in.yahoo.com> Dear Kannan and others, Thanks for all the inputs about head life for my dear ZX-9. I thought I'd clarify about the "trader" in Bombay who has replacement Nak heads; It's a bit more complicated than that. (Hope I'm not boring too many of you with situational details.) The audio shop from which we bought our audio system is run by a guy who is passionate about music and is a Nak lover. He has bought and sold many Naks. I bought my Nak from him. He says he has stocked up on a set of replacement heads for the ZX-9 and a Dragon which he has. He has offered me the spare set of heads for my ZX-9 whenever I want them, and has quoted Rs.10,000 for the set, inclusive of services fees. For the Dragon heads, he went ahead and replaced the heads on his own Dragon. So now there's a Dragon up for sale here in Bombay with fresh heads. I haven't verified the head replacement, but I've seen the Dragon sitting on his shelf. I know for a fact that he has a Nak T100 audio analyser; I've seen it in his shop. And I've seen a 680ZX he used to have, which he sold just before I got the ZX-9. I doubt he'll have original idlers or belts, though. Forget Nak spares, even good audio systems are in pitiful short supply in India. There are perhaps just three or four high-end audio shops in Bombay, and they sell whatever they have at the moment. One day it's Wharfedale speakers, the next day Jamo Concert 8's are The Greatest, the next day it's Cadence speakers. (The Cadence stuff is really excellent, BTW.) Another shop will be trying to sell Monitor Audio Bronze speakers and bad-mouth the Wharfedales. And so on. And prices are sky-high. When I see the dealer discounts available from American dealers for _unused_, _boxed_ pieces, I could weep with frustration. For instance, we paid about USD 1,000 for a pair of Wharfedale Pi40s, while the typical selling price in the US is USD500 per pair. Very typical. And then if you want to go shopping for a _second_ pair of the Pi40s, you can forget it; no one knows what models or pieces are coming into the country next week. regards, Tarun ________________________________________________________________________ Send free SMS using the Yahoo! Messenger. Go to http://in.mobile.yahoo.com/new/pc/ From roleo at telus.net Thu Jul 24 20:21:54 2003 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 11:21:54 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] ZX series numbering References: <20030724180130.760F5115776@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <001301c35210$75da21d0$eca7b742@desktop> Of course there was never a CR-6 either... -Roland ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 11:01 AM Subject: [naktalk] ZX series numbering > > Ofcourse nak had ZX 5 ( BX300 - japanese incarnation) and had 680ZX / 682ZX But they never had 681ZX???? Why Nak designer had some superstition about numbering in between ? > Once they started numbering continuously like CR1/2/3/4 DR1/2/3 etc the company went Sick!!!! > kannan > > >>> graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk 07/24/03 12:03AM >>> > ReVox versus Nak ... well, I can't say I've yet heard a prime > > > BTW, a frivolous thought just occurred ... there was a ZX7 and a ZX9. > What > happened to the ZX8???! Never made it off the drawing board?? > > Gra' > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Jul 24 21:55:13 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 15:55:13 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-2 problems References: <3F1C83E0.8988C939@rcn.com> <001101c3508a$49c65730$a73442cf@steve> Message-ID: <3F2039A1.960A23CF@rcn.com> I thought you may be interested... The problem was that the control motor was running backwards. When I take stuff apart, I make a small sketch of where things go. In this case, the motor was completely dead when received, so I don't know whether someone in the past has disassembled it (and mucked up putting it together), or I simply made a mistake. As it stands, the motor is apparently wired wrong, but works correctly. It's going to frustrate the heck out of some tech in the future... --- Ron -- Stephen Sank wrote: > > I've only ever seen that caused by dirty leaf switch contacts on the cam. > Try a burnishing tool on the contacts or physically scrape them to shiny > with a tiny screwdriver. Also try bending the stationary contacts down a > bit to increase contact pressure. If that doesn't cure it, look for cracked > solder joints on the main processor IC & periphery. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer > Talking Dog Transducer Company > http://stephensank.com > 5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] > 505-332-0336 > Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer > Payments preferred through Paypal.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 6:22 PM > Subject: [naktalk] CR-2 problems > > > > > I'd like to access the collective wisdom of the technically minded > > among us. > > > > This CR-2 was completely dead. Rebuilding the control motor and > > cleaning the contacts got the transport going -- but in a strange > > way... > > > > What happens is that pressing PLAY does cause the cam to rotate > > correctly and to start play. Then, pressing STOP causes the cam > > to go in the right direction; however, it does not stop when it > > should, but continues to rotate and only stops after another > > complete revolution. IOW, instead of going back a fraction of a > > revolution, it goes back a fraction of a revolution plus a > > complete revolution. The same thing occurs in FF and REW. > > > > At first, I thought the contacts weren't closing properly, but > > all three checked OK. I can't believe the processor isn't fast > > enough. Does anyone have any idea what's going on? Stephen, > > Salim, Kannan, anyone? > > > > A second problem: one of the segments in the counter is burned > > out. Unfortunately, the counter is part of the whole display, > > so I didn't even try to find out how much it costs... Has any > > one parted a CR-2 that happens to have a good display panel? > > > > -- Ron From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu Jul 24 23:38:10 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 23:38:10 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] mechanism problems ... Message-ID: <3F2051C2.F3E02556@xs4all.nl> Hi All, Just bought a 480 for $17, not functioning... the owner claimed problems with the control cam motor.... After opening it up this didn't seem a problem since it was giving pressure when i tried to move the control cam with my finger. So after some more investigation i noticed the heads didn't move... i helped a little while putting the deck into play and it moved up! After putting the deck into play and moving the pinch roller arms manually things started to get smoother and smoother, and after putting play/stop a million times more it's playing again! I've had this problem before on a 670ZX and then i removed the pinch roller arms completely, cleaned them and lubricated them with again, but then you need to disassemble the head mount base which i don't like to do... Any other ideas, tips? Or is this the way to go? Wouter From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Jul 24 21:59:16 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 15:59:16 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ZX series numbering References: <20030724180130.760F5115776@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <3F203A94.5686EB17@rcn.com> kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > > ... Once they started numbering continuously like CR1/2/3/4 > DR1/2/3 etc the company went Sick!!!! But they didn't... After the CR-5 they jumped to the CR-7. -- Ron > kannan > > >>> graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk 07/24/03 12:03AM >>> > ReVox versus Nak ... well, I can't say I've yet heard a prime > > BTW, a frivolous thought just occurred ... there was a ZX7 and a ZX9. > What > happened to the ZX8???! Never made it off the drawing board?? > > Gra' > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From rsbud at telusplanet.net Thu Jul 24 23:32:43 2003 From: rsbud at telusplanet.net (Kevin K) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 15:32:43 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] dragon bias calibration Message-ID: <003101c3522b$1fe83990$f916b8a1@rookie> Just got a Nak Dragon deck...nice piece. One problem so far??? When I do a bias calibration on a tape that has just been played/'recorded on, adjustment will give me calibration @ 0bd...something is ticking at variable rates, sounds like the NAAC system? If I do a rough bias calibration, all I get is -20db max. All this done with monitor set at "Tape". What's going on? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Jul 25 00:54:47 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 04:24:47 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] dragon bias calibration Message-ID: <20030724225447.41E2C115763@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Jul 25 01:04:01 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 04:34:01 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] mechanism problems ... Message-ID: <20030724230401.EB9031149C1@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From timbarrett at cox.net Thu Jul 24 23:57:53 2003 From: timbarrett at cox.net (timbarrett at cox.net) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 17:57:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] mechanism problems ... In-Reply-To: <3F2051C2.F3E02556@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <3F201E21.30950.12F25A@localhost> Hi Wouter, The 480 suffers the same mechanical maladies as the 670ZX. The pinch roller pivot arms need to be cleaned and re-lubed on occasion, the spindle of the pulley turned by the cam motor needs to cleaned and lubed, and the cam belt itself needs occasional replacing. You can remove the head block in one piece without disturbing the height or azimuth settings; just remove the two long phillips screws at the ends of the head block. As long as you are in there, you may as well clean the idler between the reel tables. Tim On 24 Jul 2003 at 23:38, Wouter Heijke wrote: > Hi All, > > Just bought a 480 for $17, not functioning... the owner claimed > problems with the control cam motor.... After opening it up this > didn't seem a problem since it was giving pressure when i tried to > move the control cam with my finger. So after some more investigation > i noticed the heads didn't move... i helped a little while putting the > deck into play and it moved up! After putting the deck into play and > moving the pinch roller arms manually things started to get smoother > and smoother, and after putting play/stop a million times more it's > playing again! I've had this problem before on a 670ZX and then i > removed the pinch roller arms completely, cleaned them and lubricated > them with again, but then you need to disassemble the head mount base > which i don't like to do... > > Any other ideas, tips? Or is this the way to go? > > Wouter > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > ==== > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > ==== > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > ==== From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Fri Jul 25 00:03:26 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 08:03:26 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] mechanism problems ... Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0220212E@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Wouter, I think that removing the pinch roller arms and lubing them is the best way. I too had to do this on my 680ZX, never looked back since. A 480 for $17, not bad, and not a bad sounding deck either. Is it in black or silver? Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Wouter Heijke [mailto:wheijke at xs4all.nl] Sent: Friday, 25 July 2003 7:38 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] mechanism problems ... Hi All, Just bought a 480 for $17, not functioning... the owner claimed problems with the control cam motor.... After opening it up this didn't seem a problem since it was giving pressure when i tried to move the control cam with my finger. So after some more investigation i noticed the heads didn't move... i helped a little while putting the deck into play and it moved up! After putting the deck into play and moving the pinch roller arms manually things started to get smoother and smoother, and after putting play/stop a million times more it's playing again! I've had this problem before on a 670ZX and then i removed the pinch roller arms completely, cleaned them and lubricated them with again, but then you need to disassemble the head mount base which i don't like to do... Any other ideas, tips? Or is this the way to go? Wouter ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Jul 25 00:16:12 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 18:16:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] mechanism problems ... References: <3F2051C2.F3E02556@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <3F205AAC.AB31A70B@rcn.com> Wouter Heijke wrote: > > Hi All, > > Just bought a 480 for $17, not functioning... the owner claimed problems > with the control cam motor.... > After opening it up this didn't seem a problem since it was giving > pressure when i tried to move the control cam with my finger. > So after some more investigation i noticed the heads didn't move... i > helped a little while putting the deck into play and it moved up! > After putting the deck into play and moving the pinch roller arms > manually things started to get smoother and smoother, and after putting > play/stop a million times more it's playing again! > I've had this problem before on a 670ZX and then i removed the pinch > roller arms completely, cleaned them and lubricated them with again, but > then you need to disassemble the head mount base which i don't like to > do... > > Any other ideas, tips? Or is this the way to go? > > Wouter With the Sankyo transport (different that 480), I find that such problems disappear after cleaning/rebuilding the control motor. If exercising the mechanism seems to solve the problem, it is likely some grease has dried up or mixed with pollution. Simply exercising the mechanism takes it from sub marginal to above marginal, but does not fully repair it. It should be fully cleaned and lubricated. I clean everything with a brush dipped in fluid (Stephen recommended MEK, which is good, but care should be taken not to get it on plastic parts or painted surfaces). When everything is totally free, it should be lubricated. Doing this correctly can bring it back to near new operation. I agree that disassembling the head mount plate is not a good idea. If I couldn't avoid it, I would make sure to remember exactly where each and every part came from and I would put it back *exactly* the way it was. -- Ron From kjbleus at charter.net Fri Jul 25 02:42:02 2003 From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 19:42:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tape Message-ID: <009001c35245$9086cbc0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6> Greetings, Good news, I've been in-touch with Carlos Guzman, who is currently on a special venture in southern California, USA. Carlos sends warm regards to his NakTalk friends. Carlos informs me that he is very occupied with his career work, not much time to have fun with classic audio gear, et cetera. The piece of news that will interest some of us is that El Magnifico has rediscovered the original Marathon Tapes we recorded many months ago (gosh, almost one year!), and plans to do some transfering of the music from cassette to compact disc when his Nak 1000ZXL is returned to him from a service rehab job. After transfer is completed, El Magnifico plans to send compact disc masters to me (Bleus), which will then allow preparation of cdr duplicates for distribution to the Nak Marathoner throng. With cdr copies, then us Marathoners can decide whether a digital copy is sufficient or re-transfer the music from cdr to cassette with their own beloved Nak decks. We'll work out costing for duplication and distribution when we're at the duplication stage, really back to doing the project. Any comments or suggestions, contact me directly. Meanwhile, have a revisit to the Marathon Tape Status website! http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html We'll resume the project and enjoy the results, I can assure you!!! Regards, Bleus de Nakker Madison, Wisc USA kjbleus at charter.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks and best wishes, Marc From jvbrhg at seanet.com Fri Jul 25 06:42:47 2003 From: jvbrhg at seanet.com (Babin/Greseth) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 21:42:47 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] The 680XZ to th 681ZX and 682ZX Message-ID: <000801c35267$344a4ea0$961c0cd0@r7g1f8> Nak Dudes... A question or two... The 680ZX had 4 motors. Can you please educate me and others as to what they were for? Then when the 681X came out it had 5 motors. What was the 5th one for? I know you Nak Dudes know the answers. Please help educate a novice. Randall Greseth Seattle, WA. USA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cabus at bellsouth.net Fri Jul 25 03:31:43 2003 From: cabus at bellsouth.net (Rand Cabus) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 21:31:43 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Data cable for MB-9 Mobile CD Changer Message-ID: Anyone know of any sources for a MB-9 CD Changer data cable? Like service departments, sales reps, junk yards or basement? I'm hooking it up to my TD-45z deck. Thanks in advance, Rand p.s. Manuals and or anything else welcome too. From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri Jul 25 09:43:45 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 09:43:45 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] MX-100 question!!!! In-Reply-To: <00aa01c3525c$26d889e0$c36423c8@g8nsv> References: <00aa01c3525c$26d889e0$c36423c8@g8nsv> Message-ID: <12173.212.78.179.234.1059119025.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Hi Isy! Depends, some Naks have a power output like the PS-100, specially for the black box series products, just look on the back of your nak or on the website, it lists 'DC Output (for blackbox)' on models that have this option. Then it should also be easy to build a PS100 yourself i guess... I recently aquired the black box series service manual, only it's schematics are (partly) useless since it is scanned in black & white and not grayscale... Wouter > Hi guys!!! > I want to know if I don't have the PS-100 power supply what can I use as > power supply for a MX-100. > Thanks > > Isy > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri Jul 25 09:52:01 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 09:52:01 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] The 680XZ to th 681ZX and 682ZX In-Reply-To: <000801c35267$344a4ea0$961c0cd0@r7g1f8> References: <000801c35267$344a4ea0$961c0cd0@r7g1f8> Message-ID: <14664.212.78.179.234.1059119521.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Hi Randall, 680, 680ZX, 660ZX, 670ZX are all the same for the amount of motors, the 681ZX and 682ZX had the extra engine for the level calibration, so it wasn't used for tape transport. Wouter > Nak Dudes... > > A question or two... > > The 680ZX had 4 motors. Can you please educate me and others as to what > they were for? > > Then when the 681X came out it had 5 motors. What was the 5th one for? > > I know you Nak Dudes know the answers. Please help educate a novice. > > Randall Greseth > Seattle, WA. > USA========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Fri Jul 25 13:57:46 2003 From: jmtooley at ce.net (jmtooley at ce.net) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 07:57:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tape In-Reply-To: <009001c35245$9086cbc0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6> References: <009001c35245$9086cbc0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6> Message-ID: <1059134266.3f211b3a80ea6@mail.ce.net> Great news! Thanks Bleus. John T. Quoting KJ Bleus : > Greetings, > > Good news, I've been in-touch with Carlos Guzman, who is currently on a > special venture in southern California, USA. Carlos sends warm regards to > his NakTalk friends. Carlos informs me that he is very occupied with his > career work, not much time to have fun with classic audio gear, et cetera. > > > The piece of news that will interest some of us is that El Magnifico has > rediscovered the original Marathon Tapes we recorded many months ago (gosh, > almost one year!), and plans to do some transfering of the music from > cassette to compact disc when his Nak 1000ZXL is returned to him from a > service rehab job. After transfer is completed, El Magnifico plans to send > compact disc masters to me (Bleus), which will then allow preparation of cdr > duplicates for distribution to the Nak Marathoner throng. With cdr copies, > then us Marathoners can decide whether a digital copy is sufficient or > re-transfer the music from cdr to cassette with their own beloved Nak decks. > We'll work out costing for duplication and distribution when we're at the > duplication stage, really back to doing the project. Any comments or > suggestions, contact me directly. > > Meanwhile, have a revisit to the Marathon Tape Status website! > > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html > > > We'll resume the project and enjoy the results, I can assure you!!! > > Regards, > > Bleus de Nakker > Madison, Wisc USA > kjbleus at charter.net > > From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 25 17:53:25 2003 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 08:53:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] MX-100 question!!!! In-Reply-To: <12173.212.78.179.234.1059119025.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <20030725155325.19517.qmail@web40410.mail.yahoo.com> When looking for decks with the Blackbox output, don't trust the www.naks.com web site. It's horrible inaccurate when it comes to the blackbox outputs. The following decks are listed as having Blackbox output, but in fact do not. MR-1, BX-100, BX-125, BX-300, RX-202, RX-505, CR-1, TD-500, TD-700, TD-1200II. I am only commenting on decks I know about. It looks like all the decks have Blackbox output according to www.naks.com including all the car decks. SJ --- Wouter Heijke wrote: > Hi Isy! > > Depends, some Naks have a power output like the > PS-100, specially for the > black box series products, just look on the back of > your nak or on the > website, it lists 'DC Output (for blackbox)' on > models that have this > option. > Then it should also be easy to build a PS100 > yourself i guess... I > recently aquired the black box series service > manual, only it's schematics > are (partly) useless since it is scanned in black & > white and not > grayscale... > > Wouter > > > Hi guys!!! > > I want to know if I don't have the PS-100 power > supply what can I use as > > power supply for a MX-100. > > Thanks > > > > Isy > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri Jul 25 19:50:44 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 19:50:44 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Incorrect information on Naks.com References: <20030725155325.19517.qmail@web40410.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3F216DF4.30B6738@xs4all.nl> Thanks for letting me know Scott... there was a problem in the script showing each model, the information was (Luckily) correct in the database. Naks.com should not be 'horrible inccurate', it should be 100% accurate!!!! So if ANYONE finds something wrong or doubtful, then PLEASE let me know, there can be something easy wrong like in this case or the information in the database can be wrong.. don't stay quiet or shy, speak! Thanks, Wouter Scott Johnson wrote: > When looking for decks with the Blackbox output, don't > trust the www.naks.com web site. It's horrible > inaccurate when it comes to the blackbox outputs. > The following decks are listed as having Blackbox > output, but in fact do not. MR-1, BX-100, BX-125, > BX-300, RX-202, RX-505, CR-1, TD-500, TD-700, > TD-1200II. I am only commenting on decks I know > about. It looks like all the decks have Blackbox > output according to www.naks.com including all the car > decks. > > SJ From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Jul 25 20:30:20 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 00:00:20 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] MX-100 question!!!! Message-ID: <20030725183020.62927114F2A@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 25 20:21:01 2003 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 11:21:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Incorrect information on Naks.com In-Reply-To: <3F216DF4.30B6738@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <20030725182101.46122.qmail@web40410.mail.yahoo.com> I had a long list of errors what I compiled years ago. I will have to dig that up and sent it to you. I'm glad it was an easy fix. It didn't realized that it was a script linked to a database. That's cool! If I remember right the other errors that I found where minor. Mostly the number LED in the meters, and Dolby chips used. Scott J. --- Wouter Heijke wrote: > Thanks for letting me know Scott... there was a > problem in the script showing > each model, the information was (Luckily) correct in > the database. > > Naks.com should not be 'horrible inccurate', it > should be 100% accurate!!!! > > So if ANYONE finds something wrong or doubtful, then > PLEASE let me know, there > can be something easy wrong like in this case or the > information in the > database can be wrong.. don't stay quiet or shy, > speak! > > Thanks, > > Wouter > > Scott Johnson wrote: > > > When looking for decks with the Blackbox output, > don't > > trust the www.naks.com web site. It's horrible > > inaccurate when it comes to the blackbox outputs. > > The following decks are listed as having Blackbox > > output, but in fact do not. MR-1, BX-100, BX-125, > > BX-300, RX-202, RX-505, CR-1, TD-500, TD-700, > > TD-1200II. I am only commenting on decks I know > > about. It looks like all the decks have Blackbox > > output according to www.naks.com including all the > car > > decks. > > > > SJ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From smoke at snip.net Fri Jul 25 21:57:41 2003 From: smoke at snip.net (John M. Smokevitch) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 15:57:41 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] MX-100 question -- Origin of the Black Boxes References: <20030725183020.62927114F2A@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <3F218BB5.2C0234BA@snip.net> I thought the NakTalkers following this thread would appreciate learning the origin of the black boxes. Nakamichi's original high end decks (the 700 and 1000 and the portables for recording) all had three microphone mixing capability with fading on the front panel of the decks, a really nice, quality set-up. (The 700ZXL and the 100ZXL still have this capability, but the 700ZXE may not, I'm not sure). So when Nakamichi dropped this capability in their other high end decks, the black box at first offered you the opportunity to do three microphone live recording again. Then other capabilities were added via black boxes. Steve Sank, or someone else with his knowledge, will be able to tell us if you can still do three microphone live recording (if you get the appropriate black box) on Nakamichi's latest high end decks with black box outputs, such as the Dragon, or whether that capability is now ancient history for all but the 700's and 1000's. Hope my fellow NakTalkers find this interesting. Best regards. John kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > Black box outputs are actually +/- 10V DC 150 mA current outputs mainly supplying DC power to those mixers/Microphone preamps etc. I really do not understand why they used 10V ? Probably giving slightly higher than 15 V DC across supply lines low enough for most preamp requirements. It also shows black box mute line which will shut off output whenever mute line of cassette deck is active! > Both dragon and 582 service mnanual shows presence of black box output > kannan > wheijke at xs4all.nl wrote > Hi Isy! > > Depends, some Naks have a power output like the PS-100, specially for the > black box series products, just look on the back of your nak or on the > website, it lists 'DC Output (for blackbox)' on models that have this > option. > Then it should also be easy to build a PS100 yourself i guess... I > recently aquired the black box series service manual, only it's schematics > are (partly) useless since it is scanned in black & white and not > grayscale... > > Wouter > > > Hi guys!!! > > I want to know if I don't have the PS-100 power supply what can I use as > > power supply for a MX-100. > > Thanks > > > > Isy > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri Jul 25 23:25:27 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 23:25:27 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] mechanism problems ... References: <3F2051C2.F3E02556@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <3F21A046.5614B8E5@xs4all.nl> Thanks all for the help. I decided to remove the pinch roller arms and clean everything good and now the heads move up and down like new! The left arm was so stuck, id the grease was hardened too much that i had real trouble trying to lift the arm. But Kannans concern about realigning the arms i see, i've tried to restore them into their original position, i'm also checking tape travel with a cheap transparent tape, but i think it's allright now, then this is not my serious recording deck, i won't touch that myself!! Wouter Wouter Heijke wrote: > Hi All, > > Just bought a 480 for $17, not functioning... the owner claimed problems > with the control cam motor.... > After opening it up this didn't seem a problem since it was giving > pressure when i tried to move the control cam with my finger. > So after some more investigation i noticed the heads didn't move... i > helped a little while putting the deck into play and it moved up! > After putting the deck into play and moving the pinch roller arms > manually things started to get smoother and smoother, and after putting > play/stop a million times more it's playing again! > I've had this problem before on a 670ZX and then i removed the pinch > roller arms completely, cleaned them and lubricated them with again, but > then you need to disassemble the head mount base which i don't like to > do... > > Any other ideas, tips? Or is this the way to go? > > Wouter > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Sat Jul 26 00:35:25 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 04:05:25 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] "Branded" cassettes availability / CR7 and Dragon price Message-ID: <20030725223525.86197114B6B@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From ezio.lucenti2 at virgilio.it Sat Jul 26 01:07:40 2003 From: ezio.lucenti2 at virgilio.it (Ezio) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 01:07:40 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] "Branded" cassettes availability / CR7 and Dragon price In-Reply-To: <20030725223525.86197114B6B@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030726005002.00ac4020@in.virgilio.it> YES , I have dealt with TDK Europe (+ Italy and TDK dealers around Europe) in the past few months ... and consequently I have built my own serious stock of tapes ! The MA-XG, MA-X, are witdrawn from marketing and TDK stocks of them are = 0 ... SA-X are almost RARE Slowly the production of cassettes is fading out ... the only still in production are SM-X, SM, AM, SA-X (?), SA , CDpower + CD bass + D . You can verify on your own going to http://www.tdk.com/recmedia/audio/index.html The reason is clear = LACK OF DEMAND = NO CONVENIENCE = THE KIDS ARE BUYING CD-Rs ONLY ... market is asking for billions of CD-Rs and that's all . The only other brand I have investigated is a Korean one quite good = SKC . SKC bought 3 years ago the manufacturing lines of SONY Japan (who renewed them totally) and SKC then is producing cassettes of the same kind of ''old'' Sony cassettes at a fraction of the price. Same for CD-Rs ... they are the old Sony CD-Rs with a Korean dye . I have built (I said) a stock of 100 TDK MA-XG ... and in Europe there is NOT any more MA-XG available ... I have asked TDK Europe and the Sales Director personally confirmed that MA-XG are ... finished , kaput , lasted .... end of the story . I've also built a stock of SA-X ... picking small sales on eBay and 100 SA (Germany) ... but the latest are for a friend not so sofisticated as we Nakas guys are ... they sound decent but nothing compared with MA-XG or MA-X . A longer story is the story of prices available ... I will tell this ''prices story'' only if someone would be interested. Ciao Ezio Lucenti At 04.05 26/07/03 +0530, you wrote: >Marc >Oh Yeah, I had stocked up some qty of tapes and I have no inside info >on Branded tapes. slowly I see no metal tapes other than TDK MA around >and slowly Maxell XLII S seems rare ( might have no more production run). >So I assume tape production must be stopping! As far as I am concerned I >am recording nothing on tape now and so assume that Tape demand must be >very low. There are plenty of custom tape loaders in US offering normal >bias tapes in 25/50 and hundreds and hope they will continue for sometime >in future as well! > >Meanwhile I see new surge of people buying CR7 along with Dragons on ebay. >CR7' seem to be fetching prices like 800 to 1000$ range! >Anybody has a clue why??? >While even 1000 ZXl does not fetch 600$' >Kannan >Mhugo at sunint.co.za wrote >Hi Kannan, > >Yesterday you noted........(to Salim)........"Did you stock up your >tape inventory? >Looks like there won' be any branded tapes next year!!!!" > >...............Do you know somwthing we don't? I know they are already >getting tricky to find (good ones), but do you have some inside >information?? > >Thanks and best wishes, > >Marc >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site http://www.lucenti.com My pages about digital photography From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Jul 26 01:10:36 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 19:10:36 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Incorrect information on Naks.com References: <20030725182101.46122.qmail@web40410.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3F21B8EC.DAFB4246@rcn.com> Scott Johnson wrote: > > I had a long list of errors what I compiled years ago. > I will have to dig that up and sent it to you. > I'm glad it was an easy fix. It didn't realized that > it was a script linked to a database. That's cool! > > If I remember right the other errors that I found > where minor. Mostly the number LED in the meters, and > Dolby chips used. ... and in a couple of cases, the years of manufacture. I should apologize... when I caught these errors, I didn't think of reporting it. I will do so in the future. I will also go back to my data and see if I can come up with the errors I found. -- Ron > > Scott J. > > --- Wouter Heijke wrote: > > Thanks for letting me know Scott... there was a > > problem in the script showing > > each model, the information was (Luckily) correct in > > the database. > > > > Naks.com should not be 'horrible inccurate', it > > should be 100% accurate!!!! > > > > So if ANYONE finds something wrong or doubtful, then > > PLEASE let me know, there > > can be something easy wrong like in this case or the > > information in the > > database can be wrong.. don't stay quiet or shy, > > speak! > > > > Thanks, > > > > Wouter > > > > Scott Johnson wrote: > > > > > When looking for decks with the Blackbox output, > > don't > > > trust the www.naks.com web site. It's horrible > > > inaccurate when it comes to the blackbox outputs. > > > The following decks are listed as having Blackbox > > > output, but in fact do not. MR-1, BX-100, BX-125, > > > BX-300, RX-202, RX-505, CR-1, TD-500, TD-700, > > > TD-1200II. I am only commenting on decks I know > > > about. It looks like all the decks have Blackbox > > > output according to www.naks.com including all the > > car > > > decks. > > > > > > SJ From p9019 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 26 02:52:53 2003 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 17:52:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Incorrect information on Naks.com In-Reply-To: <3F21B8EC.DAFB4246@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20030726005253.844.qmail@web40407.mail.yahoo.com> With all the people registering their Naks on the web site Wouter should be able to expand the manufacture dates of some on the series. I know that MR series decks were made until at least 89 since I have several 89 dated decks. The web site only shows MR decks being made from 1985-1986. The TD series is only shown being made in 1983. I'm sure it was made for many more years than that. I have a TD-500 & TD-1200II that I need to register. Scott J. --- Ron wrote: > Scott Johnson wrote: > > > > I had a long list of errors what I compiled years > ago. > > I will have to dig that up and sent it to you. > > I'm glad it was an easy fix. It didn't realized > that > > it was a script linked to a database. That's > cool! > > > > If I remember right the other errors that I found > > where minor. Mostly the number LED in the meters, > and > > Dolby chips used. > > ... and in a couple of cases, the years of > manufacture. I > should apologize... when I caught these errors, I > didn't > think of reporting it. I will do so in the future. I > will > also go back to my data and see if I can come up > with the > errors I found. > > -- Ron > > > > > > Scott J. > > > > --- Wouter Heijke wrote: > > > Thanks for letting me know Scott... there was a > > > problem in the script showing > > > each model, the information was (Luckily) > correct in > > > the database. > > > > > > Naks.com should not be 'horrible inccurate', it > > > should be 100% accurate!!!! > > > > > > So if ANYONE finds something wrong or doubtful, > then > > > PLEASE let me know, there > > > can be something easy wrong like in this case or > the > > > information in the > > > database can be wrong.. don't stay quiet or shy, > > > speak! > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Wouter > > > > > > Scott Johnson wrote: > > > > > > > When looking for decks with the Blackbox > output, > > > don't > > > > trust the www.naks.com web site. It's > horrible > > > > inaccurate when it comes to the blackbox > outputs. > > > > The following decks are listed as having > Blackbox > > > > output, but in fact do not. MR-1, BX-100, > BX-125, > > > > BX-300, RX-202, RX-505, CR-1, TD-500, TD-700, > > > > TD-1200II. I am only commenting on decks I > know > > > > about. It looks like all the decks have > Blackbox > > > > output according to www.naks.com including all > the > > > car > > > > decks. > > > > > > > > SJ > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From cptarun at yahoo.co.in Sat Jul 26 04:17:03 2003 From: cptarun at yahoo.co.in (=?iso-8859-1?q?Chandra=20Tarun?=) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 03:17:03 +0100 (BST) Subject: [naktalk] Data on naks.com inaccurate/incomplete In-Reply-To: <200307252049.h6PKnTUw004502@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <20030726021703.57666.qmail@web8201.mail.in.yahoo.com> Dear Wouter, The old (non-scripted) version of the Website used to carry the types of heads for many of the models. I don't see that data any more now. Is this deliberate? Just curious. Tarun ________________________________________________________________________ Send free SMS using the Yahoo! Messenger. Go to http://in.mobile.yahoo.com/new/pc/ From msyoder at border.net Sat Jul 26 05:58:52 2003 From: msyoder at border.net (Michael S. Yoder) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 22:58:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] "Branded" cassettes availability Message-ID: <002801c3532a$58411d20$8df4c1cf@jnorris.ttu.edu> Ezio, I'd love to hear your "prices story" regarding the tapes. If I may, I'd like to echo your comments about the demand for tapes falling drastically due to the kids doing CD-R's. This is one of those cases where the market is not necessarily producing the best results, though perhaps it is more profitable. I think it's as much the companies driving this as consumer demand (obviously a 2-way thing, with free MP3's and all, but I wouldn't give too much credit to consumers calling the shots.) As we all know, MDs, CD's, DAT's, etc. are really no better than *good* cassettes produced on *good* machines. In fact, a Stereo Review article I recently came across that goes back to1998 or thereabouts included some illustrations of waveforms of a section of a Dire Straits song recorded on a Teac deck, compared to an MD recorded DIGITALLY, and the cassette had wave forms closer to those of the CD original!!! I do tons of recording, either of my own compositions (cassette, DAT, CD-R, and MD) or duping CDs (CD-R), and I find cassettes to be more reliable, besides sounding better (DR-3, Sony KA3ES, Tascam 112MkII). I've found that MDs, DAT's, and CD-R's have glitches. I have had more errors in digital recording over the past 7 or 8 years than all the cassette errors during my life (27 years of recording with cassettes, since my early teens). We're talking hundreds upon hundreds of cassettes, and maybe 100-150 total digital recordings. I'm sure I'm "preaching to the converted" here, but my point is that there is no logical reason for the companies to replace cassettes with what I see as inferior digital recording media. In my opinion, it largely boils down to what they are able to manipulate the public into adopting. The unintended consequence to the industry is the MP3 deal with horribly inferior sound, and the kids really think they have something good! Gosh, what they're missing out on!! In closing, Wouter is doing a wonderful job with this incredible list serve. THANKS!!!!! Michael Yoder -----Original Message----- From: Ezio To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Date: Friday, July 25, 2003 7:41 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] "Branded" cassettes availability / CR7 and Dragon price >YES , I have dealt with TDK Europe (+ Italy and TDK dealers around Europe) >in the past few months ... and consequently I have built my own serious >stock of tapes ! >The MA-XG, MA-X, are witdrawn from marketing and TDK stocks of them are = >0 ... SA-X are almost RARE >Slowly the production of cassettes is fading out ... the only still in >production are SM-X, SM, AM, SA-X (?), SA , CDpower + CD bass + D . > >You can verify on your own going to >http://www.tdk.com/recmedia/audio/index.html > >The reason is clear = LACK OF DEMAND = NO CONVENIENCE = THE KIDS ARE BUYING >CD-Rs ONLY ... market is asking for billions of CD-Rs and that's all . >The only other brand I have investigated is a Korean one quite good = SKC . >SKC bought 3 years ago the manufacturing lines of SONY Japan (who renewed >them totally) and SKC then is producing cassettes of the same kind of >''old'' Sony cassettes at a fraction of the price. Same for CD-Rs ... they >are the old Sony CD-Rs with a Korean dye . > >I have built (I said) a stock of 100 TDK MA-XG ... and in Europe there is >NOT any more MA-XG available ... I have asked TDK Europe and the Sales >Director personally confirmed that MA-XG are ... finished , kaput , lasted >.... end of the story . > >I've also built a stock of SA-X ... picking small sales on eBay and 100 SA >(Germany) ... but the latest are for a friend not so sofisticated as we >Nakas guys are ... they sound decent but nothing compared with MA-XG or MA-X . > >A longer story is the story of prices available ... I will tell this >''prices story'' only if someone would be interested. > >Ciao > >Ezio Lucenti > > From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sat Jul 26 10:27:15 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 10:27:15 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Incorrect information on Naks.com References: <20030726005253.844.qmail@web40407.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3F223B63.8546DD26@xs4all.nl> Hi! Yes that is a nice side effect, and also amount of decks manufactured (per quarter of every year) can be made visible through the serial numbers! So that's also why i got excited about the whole idea, it just came years to late... But what's there on production years i got from several sources, mainly the orion blue book. A problem also are the TD series, they were too nice to leave out but i didn't want to put all models until recent ones, so i stuck to the first series basically.. Wouter Scott Johnson wrote: > With all the people registering their Naks on the web > site Wouter should be able to expand the manufacture > dates of some on the series. I know that MR series > decks were made until at least 89 since I have several > 89 dated decks. The web site only shows MR decks > being made from 1985-1986. The TD series is only > shown being made in 1983. I'm sure it was made for > many more years than that. I have a TD-500 & > TD-1200II that I need to register. > > Scott J. > --- Ron wrote: > > Scott Johnson wrote: > > > > > > I had a long list of errors what I compiled years > > ago. > > > I will have to dig that up and sent it to you. > > > I'm glad it was an easy fix. It didn't realized > > that > > > it was a script linked to a database. That's > > cool! > > > > > > If I remember right the other errors that I found > > > where minor. Mostly the number LED in the meters, > > and > > > Dolby chips used. > > > > ... and in a couple of cases, the years of > > manufacture. I > > should apologize... when I caught these errors, I > > didn't > > think of reporting it. I will do so in the future. I > > will > > also go back to my data and see if I can come up > > with the > > errors I found. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > Scott J. > > > > > > --- Wouter Heijke wrote: > > > > Thanks for letting me know Scott... there was a > > > > problem in the script showing > > > > each model, the information was (Luckily) > > correct in > > > > the database. > > > > > > > > Naks.com should not be 'horrible inccurate', it > > > > should be 100% accurate!!!! > > > > > > > > So if ANYONE finds something wrong or doubtful, > > then > > > > PLEASE let me know, there > > > > can be something easy wrong like in this case or > > the > > > > information in the > > > > database can be wrong.. don't stay quiet or shy, > > > > speak! > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Wouter > > > > > > > > Scott Johnson wrote: > > > > > > > > > When looking for decks with the Blackbox > > output, > > > > don't > > > > > trust the www.naks.com web site. It's > > horrible > > > > > inaccurate when it comes to the blackbox > > outputs. > > > > > The following decks are listed as having > > Blackbox > > > > > output, but in fact do not. MR-1, BX-100, > > BX-125, > > > > > BX-300, RX-202, RX-505, CR-1, TD-500, TD-700, > > > > > TD-1200II. I am only commenting on decks I > > know > > > > > about. It looks like all the decks have > > Blackbox > > > > > output according to www.naks.com including all > > the > > > > car > > > > > decks. > > > > > > > > > > SJ > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sat Jul 26 10:29:58 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 10:29:58 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Data on naks.com inaccurate/incomplete References: <20030726021703.57666.qmail@web8201.mail.in.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3F223C06.2892EBDB@xs4all.nl> Hi Tarun, Yes i removed some more indeep technical information from the website since lists became too long and (i think) most visitors won't be interested. I plan to make these available again in the future and then also make information like signal/noise ratio and frequency response available. Then ill need the help of all of you since the database doesn't have this information right now! Wouter Chandra Tarun wrote: > Dear Wouter, > > The old (non-scripted) version of the Website used to > carry the types of heads for many of the models. I > don't > see that data any more now. Is this deliberate? > > Just curious. > > Tarun > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Send free SMS using the Yahoo! Messenger. Go to http://in.mobile.yahoo.com/new/pc/ > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sat Jul 26 10:41:35 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 10:41:35 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] DIY guide height adjustment tool? Message-ID: <3F223EBF.2400D5C0@xs4all.nl> Hi All, After Kannans remarks about a tool to adjust the guide height i was reading the 480 service manual and saw the tool. It's idea seems quite straight forward to me so i was wondering if it would be possible to make something like this ourselves. Cleaning the pinch roller arms like i had to do now twice seems to be an important (and doable) servicing job. The tool could be 'calibrated' on our reference machines, i have several i will never touch, only Tom van der Hoff is allowed to do this.. but others i like too much to service. I was thinking of modifying a cassette house with similar 'check bars' like the Nak tool has, it could be more simplified maybe and. So any ideas? Wouter From ti at amb.org Sat Jul 26 06:49:18 2003 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 21:49:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] "Branded" cassettes availability In-Reply-To: <002801c3532a$58411d20$8df4c1cf@jnorris.ttu.edu> from "Michael S. Yoder" at Jul 25, 2003 10:58:52 PM Message-ID: <200307260449.EAA02482@amb.org> You have a point, but cassettes are good only when recorded on good machines with good tapes and then played back on good machines. On the other hand digital may not surpass good analog in absolute terms, I have to concede that the "average" quality has improved, using some not-very-high-end equipment and media. There are some obvious advantages to digital, like very high S/N and dynamic range, no tape print-through, non existent tape hiss, no problem with azimuth alignment issues, wow and flutter, low distortion, etc. And this is "good enough" for the non-audiophile general public. Any better, and they either can't tell the difference or don't care. This is not to mention the conveniences and longevity of digital media (CDs, MDs and digital file players) with minimal care. The boom of the home computer and internet certainly contributed to this too, with easily downloadable music of "acceptable" quality for most people. We, the audiophiles and musicians with a critical ear, in our pursuit of the last bit of audio perfection, are willing to put up with some of the inconveniences and other shortcomings of analog media. Because our priorities are different. We are also aware that good printed specifications does not always equate to good sonic results. Not so with the average Joe, who are brain-washed into believing that "digital = perfect". It does go both ways, and becomes a self- fulfilling prophecy. Times have changed too. Twenty or thirty years ago it was not unusual to find a reasonable quality stereo in a typical household, but nowadays? People think that a Bose Wave radio is all they need! Sigh. -Ti Nakamichi Dragon -- /// Ti Kan Vorsprung durch Technik /// AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA /// ti at amb.org ////// http://www.amb.org/ti/ /// Michael S. Yoder writes: > If I may, I'd like to echo your comments about the demand for tapes falling > drastically due to the kids doing CD-R's. This is one of those cases where > the market is not necessarily producing the best results, though perhaps it > is more profitable. I think it's as much the companies driving this as > consumer demand (obviously a 2-way thing, with free MP3's and all, but I > wouldn't give too much credit to consumers calling the shots.) As we all > know, MDs, CD's, DAT's, etc. are really no better than *good* cassettes > produced on *good* machines. In fact, a Stereo Review article I recently > came across that goes back to1998 or thereabouts included some illustrations > of waveforms of a section of a Dire Straits song recorded on a Teac deck, > compared to an MD recorded DIGITALLY, and the cassette had wave forms closer > to those of the CD original!!! I do tons of recording, either of my own > compositions (cassette, DAT, CD-R, and MD) or duping CDs (CD-R), and I find > cassettes to be more reliable, besides sounding better (DR-3, Sony KA3ES, > Tascam 112MkII). I've found that MDs, DAT's, and CD-R's have glitches. I > have had more errors in digital recording over the past 7 or 8 years than > all the cassette errors during my life (27 years of recording with > cassettes, since my early teens). We're talking hundreds upon hundreds of > cassettes, and maybe 100-150 total digital recordings. I'm sure I'm > "preaching to the converted" here, but my point is that there is no logical > reason for the companies to replace cassettes with what I see as inferior > digital recording media. In my opinion, it largely boils down to what they > are able to manipulate the public into adopting. The unintended consequence > to the industry is the MP3 deal with horribly inferior sound, and the kids > really think they have something good! Gosh, what they're missing out on!! From ddino77 at earthlink.net Sat Jul 26 15:50:31 2003 From: ddino77 at earthlink.net (ddino77 at earthlink.net) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 09:50:31 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] DIY guide height adjustment tool? Message-ID: <191690-22003762613503151@M2W046.mail2web.com> Hello Mr. Heijke, I am a new contributor/member to NAKS. I notice your name consistently in the mail as a site reference source. Please pardon my inquiry. Are you the domain facilitator? If so can you help with a question. My 700II needs some adjustment due to age etc (Muddy recording quality, record calibration & tranport issue). I only use recommended technicians. Can you assist? I appreciate any advise. Kind regards. ddan Original Message: ----------------- From: Wouter Heijke wheijke at xs4all.nl Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 10:41:35 +0200 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] DIY guide height adjustment tool? Hi All, After Kannans remarks about a tool to adjust the guide height i was reading the 480 service manual and saw the tool. It's idea seems quite straight forward to me so i was wondering if it would be possible to make something like this ourselves. Cleaning the pinch roller arms like i had to do now twice seems to be an important (and doable) servicing job. The tool could be 'calibrated' on our reference machines, i have several i will never touch, only Tom van der Hoff is allowed to do this.. but others i like too much to service. I was thinking of modifying a cassette house with similar 'check bars' like the Nak tool has, it could be more simplified maybe and. So any ideas? Wouter ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Jul 26 16:39:24 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 10:39:24 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] DIY guide height adjustment tool? References: <3F223EBF.2400D5C0@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <3F22929C.13621042@rcn.com> Wouter Heijke wrote: > > Hi All, > > After Kannans remarks about a tool to adjust the guide height i was > reading the 480 service manual and saw the tool. > It's idea seems quite straight forward to me so i was wondering if it > would be possible to make something like this ourselves. > Cleaning the pinch roller arms like i had to do now twice seems to be an > important (and doable) servicing job. > The tool could be 'calibrated' on our reference machines, i have several > i will never touch, only Tom van der Hoff is allowed to do this.. but > others i like too much to service. > > I was thinking of modifying a cassette house with similar 'check bars' > like the Nak tool has, it could be more simplified maybe and. > > So any ideas? > > Wouter A long time ago, someone here suggested making a "poorman's tape traveling gauge" by cutting an opening in one half of cassette shell. I made such a traveling cassette and found it useful in general troubleshooting of transport tape handling problems. I also used it to adjust (by eye) the supply pinch roller height. Probably, not as accurate as a 'real' gauge, yet result have been quite satisfactory. -- Ron From stan.targowski at comcast.net Sat Jul 26 16:30:57 2003 From: stan.targowski at comcast.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 09:30:57 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] "Branded" cassettes availability In-Reply-To: <200307260449.EAA02482@amb.org> Message-ID: I agree with Ti Kan. One comment I will make ... The CD-R's (including MP3) sound so much better than any cassette tape deck I could afford when I was a kid or teenager. There is no way that my JVC KD-A11 with TDK-SA tape, circa 1981, recorded off a Technics turntable would sound better than an MP3 CD-R recorded of the original CD, and played via any reasonable stereo system I have (Nissan-Bose, Sony DiscMan, YamahaReceiver/APEXDVDCD/Klipsch speakers.) Plus the convenience of direct access, the price of the units, and almost free recording media. Sorry - but I have to disagree that kids today are missing a lot. They miss the creativity and effort which were our hobbies, but they do not miss anything in terms of sound and convenience. We need to remember that kids didn't have Nakamichi 680ZX's ($1550 in 1980's dollars). And even a simple Pioneer 3 head as CTF-850 was over $400 in early 1980's. Stan -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ti Kan Sent: Fri, July 25, 2003 11:49 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] "Branded" cassettes availability You have a point, but cassettes are good only when recorded on good machines with good tapes and then played back on good machines. On the other hand digital may not surpass good analog in absolute terms, I have to concede that the "average" quality has improved, using some not-very-high-end equipment and media. There are some obvious advantages to digital, like very high S/N and dynamic range, no tape print-through, non existent tape hiss, no problem with azimuth alignment issues, wow and flutter, low distortion, etc. And this is "good enough" for the non-audiophile general public. Any better, and they either can't tell the difference or don't care. This is not to mention the conveniences and longevity of digital media (CDs, MDs and digital file players) with minimal care. The boom of the home computer and internet certainly contributed to this too, with easily downloadable music of "acceptable" quality for most people. We, the audiophiles and musicians with a critical ear, in our pursuit of the last bit of audio perfection, are willing to put up with some of the inconveniences and other shortcomings of analog media. Because our priorities are different. We are also aware that good printed specifications does not always equate to good sonic results. Not so with the average Joe, who are brain-washed into believing that "digital = perfect". It does go both ways, and becomes a self- fulfilling prophecy. Times have changed too. Twenty or thirty years ago it was not unusual to find a reasonable quality stereo in a typical household, but nowadays? People think that a Bose Wave radio is all they need! Sigh. -Ti Nakamichi Dragon -- /// Ti Kan Vorsprung durch Technik /// AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA /// ti at amb.org ////// http://www.amb.org/ti/ /// Michael S. Yoder writes: > If I may, I'd like to echo your comments about the demand for tapes falling > drastically due to the kids doing CD-R's. This is one of those cases where > the market is not necessarily producing the best results, though perhaps it > is more profitable. I think it's as much the companies driving this as > consumer demand (obviously a 2-way thing, with free MP3's and all, but I > wouldn't give too much credit to consumers calling the shots.) As we all > know, MDs, CD's, DAT's, etc. are really no better than *good* cassettes > produced on *good* machines. In fact, a Stereo Review article I recently > came across that goes back to1998 or thereabouts included some illustrations > of waveforms of a section of a Dire Straits song recorded on a Teac deck, > compared to an MD recorded DIGITALLY, and the cassette had wave forms closer > to those of the CD original!!! I do tons of recording, either of my own > compositions (cassette, DAT, CD-R, and MD) or duping CDs (CD-R), and I find > cassettes to be more reliable, besides sounding better (DR-3, Sony KA3ES, > Tascam 112MkII). I've found that MDs, DAT's, and CD-R's have glitches. I > have had more errors in digital recording over the past 7 or 8 years than > all the cassette errors during my life (27 years of recording with > cassettes, since my early teens). We're talking hundreds upon hundreds of > cassettes, and maybe 100-150 total digital recordings. I'm sure I'm > "preaching to the converted" here, but my point is that there is no logical > reason for the companies to replace cassettes with what I see as inferior > digital recording media. In my opinion, it largely boils down to what they > are able to manipulate the public into adopting. The unintended consequence > to the industry is the MP3 deal with horribly inferior sound, and the kids > really think they have something good! Gosh, what they're missing out on!! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From msyoder at border.net Sat Jul 26 18:59:00 2003 From: msyoder at border.net (Michael S. Yoder) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 11:59:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] "Branded" cassettes availability Message-ID: <000e01c35397$9ac6e900$b0f4c1cf@jnorris.ttu.edu> Stan wrote: >One comment I will make ... The CD-R's (including MP3) sound so much better >than any cassette tape deck I could afford when I was a kid or teenager. >There is no way that my JVC KD-A11 with TDK-SA tape, circa 1981, recorded >off a Technics turntable would sound better than an MP3 CD-R recorded of the >original CD, and played via any reasonable stereo system I have >(Nissan-Bose, Sony DiscMan, YamahaReceiver/APEXDVDCD/Klipsch speakers.) I'm sorry Stan, but I have to disagree. The (necessary) data compression of MP3s produces noticeably inferior audio than a CD or MD. I'm not convinced the old analog setup you describe would be worse than the MP3 setup you describe. >Sorry - but I have to disagree that kids today are missing a lot. They miss >the creativity and effort which were our hobbies, but they do not miss >anything in terms of sound and convenience. We need to remember that kids >didn't have Nakamichi 680ZX's ($1550 in 1980's dollars). And even a simple >Pioneer 3 head as CTF-850 was over $400 in early 1980's. What if we took into account the "price-reduction-over-time" phenomenon of the 1980s and 90s? Technology-wise, no other audio medium improved as dramatically through the years as the cassette recorder (except maybe the turntable). It seems that the technology improvement of the cassette format simply stopped around the time the MD was introduced as its hoped-for substitute, followed by CD-R and MP3. Had the same money been plowed into cassette R&D since the 1980s, imagine how dramatically improved even the cheap "Electronics Superstore" cassette machines would be. This, of course, would necessitate low-wage manufacturing processes in less-developed countries, like the digital products have required in order to become ever-cheaper for the non-critical public. Instead of improving A/D or D/A converters at no extra cost to consumers, companies would improve motors, heads, head mounting, etc. at no extra cost to consumers. Let's face it: Nakamichi decks are extremely high end. There are high-end, expensive CD players, too (Rega Planet, etc.), that are better than walkmans or the $79 Superstore CD changer. Today's version of your 1981 Pioneer deck example would be not only more affordable, but better sounding. My point: due to economies of scale, had the R&D in the cassette format continued, we'd have pretty good $100 machines by now and awesome $800 machines and a lot in between. In fact, the very good Sony KA1ES still can be purchased for $230-250 (US), but only until they run out. SA-X or similar tapes could be under a buck apiece. And the sound WOULD be better than the MP3s that the kids find acceptable because they don't know better. In the post-Fordist production era, economies of scale could translate possibly to $800 Dragons, were it not for the hyped promise of digital. I'm not totally trashing digital. I buy CDs rather than the expensive "180g virgin vinyl" LPs. But, my recordings of my original trip-hop/jazz ("trip-bop?") involve recording the basic tracks to analog 4- or 8-channel cassette (Tascam), the mixdown to 2-track cassette (Nak DR-3, Tascam 112MkII, or Sony KA3ES, depending on my mood), and the final master to digital (DAT or CD-R). And it sounds better (warmer, more "human")than when I mixed to digital. Glad we could have this little exchange of ideas. I credit this wonderful list for my decision to improve my cassette deck collection, which has resulted in better mixdowns without the digital glitches. Warm regards, Michael From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Jul 27 02:20:21 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 01:20:21 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] "Branded" cassettes availability In-Reply-To: <000e01c35397$9ac6e900$b0f4c1cf@jnorris.ttu.edu> Message-ID: <001b01c353d4$dde43ac0$28954c51@oemcomputer> Michael wrote: > > > > ....My point: > due to economies of scale, had the R&D in the cassette format continued, > we'd have pretty good $100 machines by now and awesome $800 machines and a > lot in between. In fact, the very good Sony KA1ES still can be purchased > for $230-250 (US), but only until they run out. SA-X or similar > tapes could > be under a buck apiece. And the sound WOULD be better than the MP3s that > the kids find acceptable because they don't know better. In the > post-Fordist production era, economies of scale could translate > possibly to > $800 Dragons, were it not for the hyped promise of digital... > I suspect you are right BUT ... businesses don't like longevity in design or product life because a) fashions change and b)long product life doesn't make as much money as short life products that much be replaced. Thus, it is in the interests of "Business" to try to make sure some technologies can be replaced by something that sits more easily with other current technology, that seems more uptodate and is (therefore) more attractive and thence, more likely to sell. It is also in the interest of "Business" to kill off the old technology (regardless of its merits) to assist the selling of its replacement. The essence of our living in a "consumer society" is that things have to be consumed and thus must be replaced! It was once rumoured that a certain well-known US motor car maker, with factories in the UK, once ran a secret department in the north of the UK that designed in obsolescence into the cars - little things like making sure some rain will get inside the skin of a car and not drain away to hasten corrosion, like ensuring that various parts of a vehicle are designed to require replacement after so many thousand miles of driving. They also like technology that is more expensive to replace ... Swap out a Mark I Ford Fiesta heating system and the parts are not only cheaper than the more sophisticated unit in the current model but it will take the engineer almost twice as long to do the work according to the service manual ... that's "progress" ! Gra' --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.502 / Virus Database: 300 - Release Date: 18/07/03 From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Jul 28 09:53:39 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 09:53:39 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Planned Obselescence: Audio Industry Message-ID: Graham, Michael, Stan, and all Naktalkers I've really enjoyed the posts this morning on the viability and relevance of cassettes in the digital era. We've had the word "digital" shoved down our throats by the advertising/merchandising industries, and like the word "solution" (which attempts to replace the word "product") or blah, blah, blah..."conditions apply"... I'm immune to it. It does not denote any connotation of quality to me at all. In fact, much of it is an insult to the public's intellegence or general knowledge. Take for instance, Samsungs "Digitally Yours" when referring to kitchen appliances like fridges for goodness sake. If people swallow that hideous blurb on tellie then it's quite understandable that they'll accept MP3 as a mark of quality. Stan, you're quite right about the out-of reach prices of Nakamichis and good recorders in general when cassette was at its height. For youngsters, it made quality unaffordable. I don't know the JVC model to which you refer but I do remember that I was a record pirate along with the worst of them back then, and sonic quality was practically irrelevant to me. Actually, my first cassette recorder was one of those flat portable machines which had a real "wow" factor (if you know what I mean!!) So I can understand that MP3 downloads satisfy them, and are also comparatively better. But when I think about it , even if MP3, is better or worse than consumer cassette of 1981, it wouldn't make a jot of difference to them anyway. It's almost free!! AND the other wonderful thing about kids generally, is that they are "musical" purists rather than "sound" purists. Incidently, (this is from a Sony MDSJE 930 owner, but not very frequent user) MP3 is worse than MiniDisc in every measured respect, and minidisc as a medium (not the players electronics mind you) has a dynamic range of 80dB and all frequencies above 18kHz are eliminated. That means that all of my Dolby S decks equal that on Type 1 tape alone. However, there's no denying your point on digital as a storage medium; digital methods can't be touched. They are great. And not to mention, cheap. Graham, you make an excellent and entertaining point. As far as I recall, planned obsolescence was a fact of life in the auto industry from the ealry 60s, both in product design and marketing. The hi-fi industry was beside itself with frustration over cassette decks by the early 90s. They sounded pretty good (some sounded brilliant) and they didin't bring break nearly enough. What could be worse for a business that has to keep selling to survive. They had to create a mental imperative in the buying public that made them terribly unhappy with what they had. As it was, when CD players were first introduced, they also lasted far too long - now they have managed to reduce the lifespan to about 2-3 years for lasers. The best of all is that DVDs which are being used to play music too in the majority of home applications (another clever move by the industry) have slightly shorter lives again!! I'm just waiting for them to insert an e-prom in the circuit like a slot machine win-prompt totaliser( I work with these), which will simply be a microscopic printed sub-section of a microchip, causing the machine to auto-fail after a specific number of hours. Make that chip pricer to replace than the whole machine and you're home and dry!!! Isn't digital wonderful? Right now it's down to lens and laser life. The next move will be expiry of software. That's for another day. Cheers, Marc The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From ti at amb.org Mon Jul 28 10:25:05 2003 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 01:25:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Planned Obselescence: Audio Industry In-Reply-To: from "Mark Hugo" at Jul 28, 2003 09:53:39 AM Message-ID: <200307280825.IAA12013@amb.org> Mark Hugo writes: > Incidently, (this is from a Sony MDSJE 930 owner, but not very frequent > user) MP3 is worse than MiniDisc in every measured respect, and minidisc > as a medium (not the players electronics mind you) has a dynamic range > of 80dB and all frequencies above 18kHz are eliminated. That means that > all of my Dolby S decks equal that on Type 1 tape alone. However, > there's no denying your point on digital as a storage medium; digital > methods can't be touched. They are great. And not to mention, cheap. Actually, MP3 quality depends on the amount of compression applied during the encoding phase. This is expressed in kb/s. The vast majority of MP3 music traded on the internet these days have a constant bit rate of 128 kb/s or lower, which is indeed very poor. However, if the program material was encoded at higher bitrates (and with a good encoder such as "lame" http://www.mp3dev.org ), using variable bitrate that would allocate more bits when the program material demands it, amongst other parameters), MP3 can sound quite faithful to the original digital source. The overall quality doesn't take into account, of course, the quality of the orginal digital source to begin with. Other lossy formats that are superior to MP3 are also beginning to appear, such as Ogg Vorbis ( http://www.xiph.org/ogg/vorbis ). Lest you think that I am preaching digital, I am not. I am a big fan of analog, and my stereo still prominently feature high-end turntables, including one that I meticulously built myself, as well as the Nakamichi Dragon and several other cassette decks. However, analog and digital each have their own set of advantages and faults. I feel that one need to recognize them, be fair, and give credit where credit is due. Also, often the details of implementation is more important than the basic technology. You can have a good digital source that sounds better than a mediocre analog setup, as well as a good analog system that blows a ho-hum digital source to weeds. If you're interested, check out my audio system at the URL below. -Ti Nakamichi Dragon -- /// Ti Kan Vorsprung durch Technik /// AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA /// ti at amb.org ////// http://www.amb.org/ti/ /// From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Jul 28 13:08:19 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 13:08:19 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Data Reduction and the Audio Industry: TiKan Message-ID: Totally true TiKan!! I agree wholeheartedly with your views. Thanks for the post and info. I will visit all the sites you attached, but particularly your own website. I'm off to see your turntable!! Cheers, Marc >>> ti at amb.org 07/28/03 10:25AM >>> Mark Hugo writes: > Incidently, (this is from a Sony MDSJE 930 owner, but not very frequent > user) MP3 is worse than MiniDisc in every measured respect, and minidisc > as a medium (not the players electronics mind you) has a dynamic range > of 80dB and all frequencies above 18kHz are eliminated. That means that > all of my Dolby S decks equal that on Type 1 tape alone. However, > there's no denying your point on digital as a storage medium; digital > methods can't be touched. They are great. And not to mention, cheap. Actually, MP3 quality depends on the amount of compression applied during the encoding phase. This is expressed in kb/s. The vast majority of MP3 music traded on the internet these days have a constant bit rate of 128 kb/s or lower, which is indeed very poor. However, if the program material was encoded at higher bitrates (and with a good encoder such as "lame" http://www.mp3dev.org ), using variable bitrate that would allocate more bits when the program material demands it, amongst other parameters), MP3 can sound quite faithful to the original digital source. The overall quality doesn't take into account, of course, the quality of the orginal digital source to begin with. Other lossy formats that are superior to MP3 are also beginning to appear, such as Ogg Vorbis ( http://www.xiph.org/ogg/vorbis ). Lest you think that I am preaching digital, I am not. I am a big fan of analog, and my stereo still prominently feature high-end turntables, including one that I meticulously built myself, as well as the Nakamichi Dragon and several other cassette decks. However, analog and digital each have their own set of advantages and faults. I feel that one need to recognize them, be fair, and give credit where credit is due. Also, often the details of implementation is more important than the basic technology. You can have a good digital source that sounds better than a mediocre analog setup, as well as a good analog system that blows a ho-hum digital source to weeds. If you're interested, check out my audio system at the URL below. -Ti Nakamichi Dragon -- /// Ti Kan Vorsprung durch Technik /// AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA /// ti at amb.org ////// http://www.amb.org/ti/ /// ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Jul 28 13:36:56 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 13:36:56 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] "Branded" cassettes availability Message-ID: Hi Michael, Your expereinces are similar to mine.. By the way, that comparison you have in Stereo Review was (as far as I remember) a sort of shootout between a TEAC V2030S (not even one of the heavyweights) and a Sony MD-S JE 500 - a slightly early version of ATRAC. So, it was quite a close run thing, but the Dolby S of the TEAC was just a bit better, particularly in the high frequencies and thick/dense material. If I'm not mistaken, Ken Pohlman did that one, but soon afterwards he must have been told to "get in line" behind whomever and whatever was being advertised, as his delightful prose and acerbic wit was thereafter harnessed in the service of digital products and home theatre in general. Business is business!! And one has to admire Stereo Review for going with the flow and not going belly-up like Audio and that other splendid mag, also from Colorado (was it 'Fi?) Cheers, Marc >>> msyoder at border.net 07/26/03 05:58AM >>> Ezio, I'd love to hear your "prices story" regarding the tapes. If I may, I'd like to echo your comments about the demand for tapes falling drastically due to the kids doing CD-R's. This is one of those cases where the market is not necessarily producing the best results, though perhaps it is more profitable. I think it's as much the companies driving this as consumer demand (obviously a 2-way thing, with free MP3's and all, but I wouldn't give too much credit to consumers calling the shots.) As we all know, MDs, CD's, DAT's, etc. are really no better than *good* cassettes produced on *good* machines. In fact, a Stereo Review article I recently came across that goes back to1998 or thereabouts included some illustrations of waveforms of a section of a Dire Straits song recorded on a Teac deck, compared to an MD recorded DIGITALLY, and the cassette had wave forms closer to those of the CD original!!! I do tons of recording, either of my own compositions (cassette, DAT, CD-R, and MD) or duping CDs (CD-R), and I find cassettes to be more reliable, besides sounding better (DR-3, Sony KA3ES, Tascam 112MkII). I've found that MDs, DAT's, and CD-R's have glitches. I have had more errors in digital recording over the past 7 or 8 years than all the cassette errors during my life (27 years of recording with cassettes, since my early teens). We're talking hundreds upon hundreds of cassettes, and maybe 100-150 total digital recordings. I'm sure I'm "preaching to the converted" here, but my point is that there is no logical reason for the companies to replace cassettes with what I see as inferior digital recording media. In my opinion, it largely boils down to what they are able to manipulate the public into adopting. The unintended consequence to the industry is the MP3 deal with horribly inferior sound, and the kids really think they have something good! Gosh, what they're missing out on!! In closing, Wouter is doing a wonderful job with this incredible list serve. THANKS!!!!! Michael Yoder -----Original Message----- From: Ezio To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Date: Friday, July 25, 2003 7:41 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] "Branded" cassettes availability / CR7 and Dragon price >YES , I have dealt with TDK Europe (+ Italy and TDK dealers around Europe) >in the past few months ... and consequently I have built my own serious >stock of tapes ! >The MA-XG, MA-X, are witdrawn from marketing and TDK stocks of them are = >0 ... SA-X are almost RARE >Slowly the production of cassettes is fading out ... the only still in >production are SM-X, SM, AM, SA-X (?), SA , CDpower + CD bass + D . > >You can verify on your own going to >http://www.tdk.com/recmedia/audio/index.html > >The reason is clear = LACK OF DEMAND = NO CONVENIENCE = THE KIDS ARE BUYING >CD-Rs ONLY ... market is asking for billions of CD-Rs and that's all . >The only other brand I have investigated is a Korean one quite good = SKC . >SKC bought 3 years ago the manufacturing lines of SONY Japan (who renewed >them totally) and SKC then is producing cassettes of the same kind of >''old'' Sony cassettes at a fraction of the price. Same for CD-Rs ... they >are the old Sony CD-Rs with a Korean dye . > >I have built (I said) a stock of 100 TDK MA-XG ... and in Europe there is >NOT any more MA-XG available ... I have asked TDK Europe and the Sales >Director personally confirmed that MA-XG are ... finished , kaput , lasted >.... end of the story . > >I've also built a stock of SA-X ... picking small sales on eBay and 100 SA >(Germany) ... but the latest are for a friend not so sofisticated as we >Nakas guys are ... they sound decent but nothing compared with MA-XG or MA-X . > >A longer story is the story of prices available ... I will tell this >''prices story'' only if someone would be interested. > >Ciao > >Ezio Lucenti > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Jul 28 15:04:43 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 15:04:43 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] "Branded" cassettes availability / CR7 and Dragon price: ENZIO!! Message-ID: Hi Enzio, Please tell Michael and me your "longer version" of your cassette hunt!! I knew you had done a serious purchase earlier in the year from Pricebuster on the MA-XGs - well done!! Yes, your observations match mine and only serious analogue recordists are doing much cassette recording thesedays. Not even Mini-disc infact. I looked at Hyperfi in Barking, UK. They don't have a single new minidisc deck for sale. Only shop-soiled units. Philips won this battle in the end. Also, I too have cottoned onto the SKC products from Korean industrial giant SKM Limited. I have had nothing but absolute satisfaction from these Sony based SKC products. The SKC ZX (brown wrapper) is a dead-ringer for the old Sony Metal ES. Astoundingly sharp, clean and clear with faultless magnetic retentivity and tough as boots. The QXs (purple wrapper) are very good and highly compatible with the same ES type shells from circa 1988!! The newer "CD Super Chrome" (greenish wrapper) are impressive - and of course - for the price, a clear finger to the majors for what remains of the cassette market. I believe that the world's future cassette market will concentrate of the less economically developed countries. I look forward to your price survey!! Best, Marc >>> ezio.lucenti2 at virgilio.it 07/26/03 01:07AM >>> YES , I have dealt with TDK Europe (+ Italy and TDK dealers around Europe) in the past few months ... and consequently I have built my own serious stock of tapes ! The MA-XG, MA-X, are witdrawn from marketing and TDK stocks of them are = 0 ... SA-X are almost RARE Slowly the production of cassettes is fading out ... the only still in production are SM-X, SM, AM, SA-X (?), SA , CDpower + CD bass + D . You can verify on your own going to http://www.tdk.com/recmedia/audio/index.html The reason is clear = LACK OF DEMAND = NO CONVENIENCE = THE KIDS ARE BUYING CD-Rs ONLY ... market is asking for billions of CD-Rs and that's all . The only other brand I have investigated is a Korean one quite good = SKC . SKC bought 3 years ago the manufacturing lines of SONY Japan (who renewed them totally) and SKC then is producing cassettes of the same kind of ''old'' Sony cassettes at a fraction of the price. Same for CD-Rs ... they are the old Sony CD-Rs with a Korean dye . I have built (I said) a stock of 100 TDK MA-XG ... and in Europe there is NOT any more MA-XG available ... I have asked TDK Europe and the Sales Director personally confirmed that MA-XG are ... finished , kaput , lasted .... end of the story . I've also built a stock of SA-X ... picking small sales on eBay and 100 SA (Germany) ... but the latest are for a friend not so sofisticated as we Nakas guys are ... they sound decent but nothing compared with MA-XG or MA-X . A longer story is the story of prices available ... I will tell this ''prices story'' only if someone would be interested. Ciao Ezio Lucenti At 04.05 26/07/03 +0530, you wrote: >Marc >Oh Yeah, I had stocked up some qty of tapes and I have no inside info >on Branded tapes. slowly I see no metal tapes other than TDK MA around >and slowly Maxell XLII S seems rare ( might have no more production run). >So I assume tape production must be stopping! As far as I am concerned I >am recording nothing on tape now and so assume that Tape demand must be >very low. There are plenty of custom tape loaders in US offering normal >bias tapes in 25/50 and hundreds and hope they will continue for sometime >in future as well! > >Meanwhile I see new surge of people buying CR7 along with Dragons on ebay. >CR7' seem to be fetching prices like 800 to 1000$ range! >Anybody has a clue why??? >While even 1000 ZXl does not fetch 600$' >Kannan >Mhugo at sunint.co.za wrote >Hi Kannan, > >Yesterday you noted........(to Salim)........"Did you stock up your >tape inventory? >Looks like there won' be any branded tapes next year!!!!" > >...............Do you know somwthing we don't? I know they are already >getting tricky to find (good ones), but do you have some inside >information?? > >Thanks and best wishes, > >Marc >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site http://www.lucenti.com My pages about digital photography ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From rdforester at hotmail.com Mon Jul 28 16:11:59 2003 From: rdforester at hotmail.com (R Forester) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 14:11:59 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 660zx sick Message-ID: Hi Guys, I've been lurking here for 3 or 4 years and have learned a lot. I was wondering if anyone could tell me the nature of a problem with my 660zx. After putting a tape in and pressing the play button the play light comes on for about 2 seconds, the tape acts like its going to start and turns off. If I hold the play button down the reels turn for about 2 seconds and slows to a stop. The rewind and fastforward buttons cause the reels to turn but only if the button is held down, stopping abruptly when released. I bought the unit 3 years ago on eBay. It could use a total going over I'm sure but I thought I would see if this might be something simple. I also need a door release lever(Porbably why I got it so cheap) if someone could point me in the right direction. I got out my 550 to use as back-up and alas it was dead too. Thats another story. Please help, I need my cassette, I just received a couple dozen LPs I want to copy for the car. Thanks, Another Ron _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From gwmunger at bestweb.net Mon Jul 28 18:04:22 2003 From: gwmunger at bestweb.net (geochapp20) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 11:04:22 EST Subject: [naktalk] Black Box Description Clarification Message-ID: <3f253b76.13470.0@bestweb.net> >Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to naktalk at naks.com Hello all. I would like clarification, please, of the term Black Box, as being referred to in the current topic discussions. The discussions involve a Black Box, which I think refers to a small wall-outlet transformer, attached by a power cord to the deck, in order to allow a DC sourced deck to operate on standard AC house current. *But* I have also heard others (not necessarily on this site) use the term Black Box when referring to Nak cassette player decks, such as the TD-1200 series, which are usually mounted in automobile audio systems. The Black Box for those units I believe, is not a wall-transfomer, but a seperate black metal housing (similar to a larger kit-box), for remote mounting, apart from the cassette head unit, to provide space for all of those super-duper Nak circuits and hardware for the radio section. Would anyone care to clarify for me? Might the discussions re: power supplies and 'Inaccurate Nak info' be both related by this issue? Thanks. George Munger >--- Wouter Heijke wrote: >> Hi Isy! >> >> Depends, some Naks have a power output like the >> PS-100, specially for the black box series products, just look on the back of your nak or on the website, it lists 'DC Output (for blackbox)' on models that have this option. >> Then it should also be easy to build a PS100 yourself i guess... I recently aquired the black box series service >> manual, only it's schematics are (partly) useless since it is scanned in black & white and not grayscale... >> >> Wouter >> >> > Hi guys!!! >> > I want to know if I don't have the PS-100 power >> supply what can I use as >> > power supply for a MX-100. >> > Thanks >> > >> > Isy From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Jul 28 17:37:59 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 22:37:59 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] 660zx sick References: Message-ID: <000c01c3551e$3a32e660$cc299bca@smarzuki> Hi Another Ron =) Are you sure this is not the infamous dead-stop-lamp syndrome ? If it is not, then one of the counter mechanism is faulty, either the lamp on the counter pcb is dead - or the belt that connect counter to takeup reel itself need to be replaced. Please check through the cassette well if you can see a light roughly behind the pitch knob or play button. My 680 release lever used to be somewhat loose (shaft broken) and found ad-hoc solution by pinching a hot steel shaft to the front plate. Ugly, but useful. Good luck ! Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: R Forester To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 9:11 PM Subject: [naktalk] 660zx sick Hi Guys, I've been lurking here for 3 or 4 years and have learned a lot. I was wondering if anyone could tell me the nature of a problem with my 660zx. After putting a tape in and pressing the play button the play light comes on for about 2 seconds, the tape acts like its going to start and turns off. If I hold the play button down the reels turn for about 2 seconds and slows to a stop. The rewind and fastforward buttons cause the reels to turn but only if the button is held down, stopping abruptly when released. I bought the unit 3 years ago on eBay. It could use a total going over I'm sure but I thought I would see if this might be something simple. I also need a door release lever(Porbably why I got it so cheap) if someone could point me in the right direction. I got out my 550 to use as back-up and alas it was dead too. Thats another story. Please help, I need my cassette, I just received a couple dozen LPs I want to copy for the car. Thanks, Another Ron From smoke at snip.net Mon Jul 28 18:44:29 2003 From: smoke at snip.net (John M. Smokevitch) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 12:44:29 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Black Box Description Clarification References: <3f253b76.13470.0@bestweb.net> Message-ID: <3F2552ED.B41B506@snip.net> I did an earlier e-mail a few days ago on the origin of the black boxes for Nak decks (you may want to check back). It was originally udesigned to allow Nak users to regain the fuctionality they lost when later Nak decks (after the 700, 700II, 1000 and 1000II) did not have the ability to do live recording with a three-mike mix. The black box approach was also used to add Dolby C and the High Com unitsto the 1000ZXL and 700ZXL which were designed only with Dolby B. My recollection was that if you bought a 100ZXL or 700ZXL, it came with a black box (simple black housing with no controls) that allowed you to have Dolby C. and was powered off the black box output on the back of the deck. So in one of life's little ironies, you had come full circle, (1) you could use a black box to add live, three-mike recording capability to high end Nak decks that already had Dolby C and (2) You could use a black box to add Dolby C to nak's then highest end decks, the 1000ZXL and 700ZXL which already had live, 3-mike recording capability. About the car head units: Thes are not black boxes. Rather on Nak's highest end head units, in order to get the best siganl to noise ratios and the best isolation, these units were designed in a 2-box configuration connected by an umbilical (for signal transfer) thus separating the pre-amp electronics from the mechanicals (and the LED's and flouorescents) in the head unit. Note, both of these boxes were each powered separately from the car's 12 volt system. This is unlike the true black box which you hook up to the back of your Nak deck (in order to gain some fuctionality you don't otherwise have) and which is powered by the "parent" deck. To repeat, black boxes were designed to add some missing fuctionality and wer powered by the deck to which they were attached -- As opposed to a genuine two-box design where separation and isolation are the reasons underlying the 2-box design approach. Hope this helps. Best regards. John geochapp20 wrote: > >Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to naktalk at naks.com > > Hello all. I would like clarification, please, of the term Black Box, as being > referred to in the current topic discussions. The discussions involve a Black > Box, which I think refers to a small wall-outlet transformer, attached by a > power cord to the deck, in order to allow a DC sourced deck to operate on standard > AC house current. *But* I have also heard others (not necessarily on this site) > use the term Black Box when referring to Nak cassette player decks, such as > the TD-1200 series, which are usually mounted in automobile audio systems. The > Black Box for those units I believe, is not a wall-transfomer, but a seperate > black metal housing (similar to a larger kit-box), for remote mounting, apart > from the cassette head unit, to provide space for all of those super-duper Nak > circuits and hardware for the radio section. Would anyone care to clarify for > me? Might the discussions re: power supplies and 'Inaccurate Nak info' be both > related by this issue? Thanks. George Munger > > >--- Wouter Heijke wrote: > >> Hi Isy! > >> > >> Depends, some Naks have a power output like the > >> PS-100, specially for the black box series products, just look on the back > of your nak or on the website, it lists 'DC Output (for blackbox)' on models > that have this option. > >> Then it should also be easy to build a PS100 yourself i guess... I recently > aquired the black box series service > >> manual, only it's schematics are (partly) useless since it is scanned in > black & white and not grayscale... > >> > >> Wouter > >> > >> > Hi guys!!! > >> > I want to know if I don't have the PS-100 power > >> supply what can I use as > >> > power supply for a MX-100. > >> > Thanks > >> > > >> > Isy > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gwmunger at bestweb.net Mon Jul 28 20:00:50 2003 From: gwmunger at bestweb.net (geochapp20) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 13:00:50 EST Subject: [naktalk] Black Box Description Clarification Message-ID: <3f2556c2.152b5.0@bestweb.net> Hi John. You have fully clarified my understanding of a Black Box. Thanks for your lucid description. George Munger > >I did an earlier e-mail a few days ago on the origin of the black boxes for Nak decks >(you may want to check back). It was originally udesigned to allow Nak users to >regain the fuctionality they lost when later Nak decks (after the 700, 700II, 1000 and >1000II) did not have the ability to do live recording with a three-mike mix. The >black box approach was also used to add Dolby C and the High Com unitsto the 1000ZXL >and 700ZXL which were designed only with Dolby B. My recollection was that if you >bought a 100ZXL or 700ZXL, it came with a black box (simple black housing with no >controls) that allowed you to have Dolby C. and was powered off the black box output >on the back of the deck. > >So in one of life's little ironies, you had come full circle, (1) you could use a >black box to add live, three-mike recording capability to high end Nak decks that >already had Dolby C and (2) You could use a black box to add Dolby C to nak's then >highest end decks, the 1000ZXL and 700ZXL which already had live, 3-mike recording >capability. > >About the car head units: Thes are not black boxes. Rather on Nak's highest end head >units, in order to get the best siganl to noise ratios and the best isolation, these >units were designed in a 2-box configuration connected by an umbilical (for signal >transfer) thus separating the pre-amp electronics from the mechanicals (and the LED's >and flouorescents) in the head unit. Note, both of these boxes were each powered >separately from the car's 12 volt system. > >This is unlike the true black box which you hook up to the back of your Nak deck (in >order to gain some fuctionality you don't otherwise have) and which is powered by the >"parent" deck. > >To repeat, black boxes were designed to add some missing fuctionality and wer powered >by the deck to which they were attached -- As opposed to a genuine two-box design >where separation and isolation are the reasons underlying the 2-box design approach. > >Hope this helps. > >Best regards. >John > >geochapp20 wrote: > >> >Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to naktalk at naks.com >> >> Hello all. I would like clarification, please, of the term Black Box, as being >> referred to in the current topic discussions. The discussions involve a Black >> Box, which I think refers to a small wall-outlet transformer, attached by a >> power cord to the deck, in order to allow a DC sourced deck to operate on standard >> AC house current. *But* I have also heard others (not necessarily on this site) >> use the term Black Box when referring to Nak cassette player decks, such as >> the TD-1200 series, which are usually mounted in automobile audio systems. The >> Black Box for those units I believe, is not a wall-transfomer, but a seperate >> black metal housing (similar to a larger kit-box), for remote mounting, apart >> from the cassette head unit, to provide space for all of those super-duper Nak >> circuits and hardware for the radio section. Would anyone care to clarify for >> me? Might the discussions re: power supplies and 'Inaccurate Nak info' be both >> related by this issue? Thanks. George Munger From BADANTH at aol.com Mon Jul 28 23:52:06 2003 From: BADANTH at aol.com (BADANTH at aol.com) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 17:52:06 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Which demagnetizer to get? Message-ID: <26.3cd413eb.2c56f506@aol.com> I'm looking to get a new demagnetizer and wondered what my fellow nakkers might recommend? I would like to get a fairly good one but not spend a bundle. Any recommendations? Thanks, Anthony -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Tue Jul 29 00:26:31 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 00:26:31 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Goto update Message-ID: <3F25A317.44D86F8A@xs4all.nl> Hi All, After finding the old email from Hideo Goto i send him an email and this weekend he replied he was well and had started his own company producing audio equipment in the Nak-spirits as he calls it. He also mentioned the Nakamichi head office moved last march/april and he was invited to help moving and was able to take many things like "prototypes, products, measurement equipments and so on" .... you can guess i asked WHAT he took! The famous concert hall is also gone, for the same reason. Then there is a gathering of ex employees (engineers) who worked there in the period 1970 to 1990 and he will be the master of ceremonies and he promised me te report back to me after that! I also asked him (again) to join Naktalk or try to get some old collegues to join, would be the best thing that could happen to us, otherwise we could make a questionlist again for him. That's it! Wouter From mcook17 at bellsouth.net Tue Jul 29 03:59:51 2003 From: mcook17 at bellsouth.net (Michael R. Cook) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 21:59:51 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Orange Cap Problem Message-ID: <010d01c35575$1ad04fe0$6401a8c0@sdf.bellsouth.net> Stephen, I want to replace the orange caps in my Nak 480 and wanted to know if there is a parts list to work from that lists the type of cap (ufd/V) and the PCB number (C302). I can't seem to locate a service manual anywhere for the 480. Thanks for your time. Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ti at amb.org Tue Jul 29 07:28:20 2003 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 22:28:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Goto update In-Reply-To: <3F25A317.44D86F8A@xs4all.nl> from "Wouter Heijke" at Jul 29, 2003 12:26:31 AM Message-ID: <200307290528.FAA15576@amb.org> Wouter Heijke writes: > [ Hideo Goto ] > I also asked him (again) to join Naktalk or try to get some old > collegues to join, would be the best thing that could happen to us, > otherwise we could make a questionlist again for him. That would be excellent! -Ti Nakamichi Dragon -- /// Ti Kan Vorsprung durch Technik /// AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA /// ti at amb.org ////// http://www.amb.org/ti/ /// From mkbauer at web.de Tue Jul 29 12:30:22 2003 From: mkbauer at web.de (Markus Bauer) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 12:30:22 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Amplifiers 410, 420 Message-ID: <3F264CBE.9030703@web.de> Hi, it's been some time since I've been contacting the list with the following problem (that was in March 2003): > I am rather new to the list and therfore I hope I am not too > off-topic. I own the Nakamichi preamplifier 410 and the power > amplifier 420. Due to a damage in my apartment's electrical wiring > both of them have been blown up. > > There is still some hope that both can be repaired. This is good > news, since I believe both are really fine components. After a quite > difficult search I was able to find a repair shop in Germany that > will try to fix them. The repair shop has been able to repair the power amplifier 420 without too much problems. However, there are some problems with the preamplifier 410. They've been able to replace most parts. However, the transformer is still defect and the shop has not been able to get a spare one from their supply sources. Has anyone on the list an idea, whether it is still possible to get one of those transformers? Could it be possible (I am a layman here!) that some transformer from another vendor would fit into the 410? Do I have to give up on the idea to get that nice unit repaired? If I am without luck and I cannot get the 410 repaired -- does anyone have a suggestion whaht to do? Would it make sense to find another preamplifier to operate with the 420? If so, are there any recommendations for one? Or would it make more sense to find an affordable fully integrated amplifier such as the NAD 320 BEE? Would I loose much quality in choosing a unit like this? (It shure looks and feels cheaper, but the sound seemed OK with me. I've inherited the Nakamichi set from my grandfather and it's pretty sure that I cannot afford something in the same price range. Actually I do not want to spend much more than 600-700 EUR/US$ on a new amplifier, since I also have to replace some other units of my stereo system :-( ) Does anyone have useful suggestions on this!? Sorry for being a little off-topic, but there seem to be only a very limited number of people out there who actually do know that such units as the 410/420 actually existed... Thanks for any help/suggestions, Markus -- Markus Bauer, Karlsruhe, Germany. mailto:mkbauer at web.de From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Jul 29 13:22:04 2003 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 05:22:04 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Amplifiers 410, 420 References: <3F264CBE.9030703@web.de> Message-ID: <03b501c355c3$a4791c10$0e3442cf@steve> Go to http://www.digikey.com & order stock #TE70062-ND. It is a potted torroidal, 115/230VAC primaries, and is every bit as good as the original. It will just require a bit of intelligence to adapt the mounting hardware configuration. The cost is only $18.23usd, so the bulk of cost may be the overseas shipping. I own a 410 preamp myself, which I've done some minor upgrades upon. It's a great little preamp. Far better sound than the CA-7 & CA-5II, and every bit as good as the CA-5, if not better. The 430 tuner is a great piece as well. The 420 amp I am not too crazy about, but it is quite respectable. And looks cool. NAD, as far as I know, stands for "Nearly Always Detonates". For God's sake, don't curse yourself with any gear from that horrible crap company. I command you to flog yourself for mentioning that name in the same posting as Nak.;-) I would actually prefer a piece of Carver gear to any NAD, and that is REALLY an insult! Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer Talking Dog Transducer Company http://stephensank.com 5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] 505-332-0336 Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer Payments preferred through Paypal.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Markus Bauer" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 4:30 AM Subject: [naktalk] Amplifiers 410, 420 > Hi, > > it's been some time since I've been contacting the list with the > following problem (that was in March 2003): > > > I am rather new to the list and therfore I hope I am not too > > off-topic. I own the Nakamichi preamplifier 410 and the power > > amplifier 420. Due to a damage in my apartment's electrical wiring > > both of them have been blown up. > > > > There is still some hope that both can be repaired. This is good > > news, since I believe both are really fine components. After a quite > > difficult search I was able to find a repair shop in Germany that > > will try to fix them. > > The repair shop has been able to repair the power amplifier 420 without > too much problems. However, there are some problems with the > preamplifier 410. They've been able to replace most parts. However, the > transformer is still defect and the shop has not been able to get a > spare one from their supply sources. > > Has anyone on the list an idea, whether it is still possible to get one > of those transformers? Could it be possible (I am a layman here!) that > some transformer from another vendor would fit into the 410? Do I have > to give up on the idea to get that nice unit repaired? > > If I am without luck and I cannot get the 410 repaired -- does anyone > have a suggestion whaht to do? Would it make sense to find another > preamplifier to operate with the 420? If so, are there any > recommendations for one? Or would it make more sense to find an > affordable fully integrated amplifier such as the NAD 320 BEE? Would I > loose much quality in choosing a unit like this? (It shure looks and > feels cheaper, but the sound seemed OK with me. I've inherited the > Nakamichi set from my grandfather and it's pretty sure that I cannot > afford something in the same price range. Actually I do not want to > spend much more than 600-700 EUR/US$ on a new amplifier, since I also > have to replace some other units of my stereo system :-( ) Does anyone > have useful suggestions on this!? > > Sorry for being a little off-topic, but there seem to be only a very > limited number of people out there who actually do know that such units > as the 410/420 actually existed... > > Thanks for any help/suggestions, > Markus > > -- > Markus Bauer, Karlsruhe, Germany. mailto:mkbauer at web.de > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Jul 29 14:15:09 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 19:15:09 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Amplifiers 410, 420 References: <3F264CBE.9030703@web.de> <03b501c355c3$a4791c10$0e3442cf@steve> Message-ID: <001b01c355cd$3a40fca0$50299bca@smarzuki> Hi Stephen, Would that potted toroidal works with CA7A as well ? I plan to upgrade (downgrade ?) my 110V model to accept 220V. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Sank To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 6:22 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Amplifiers 410, 420 Go to http://www.digikey.com & order stock #TE70062-ND. It is a potted torroidal, 115/230VAC primaries, and is every bit as good as the original. It will just require a bit of intelligence to adapt the mounting hardware configuration. The cost is only $18.23usd, so the bulk of cost may be the overseas shipping. I own a 410 preamp myself, which I've done some minor upgrades upon. It's a great little preamp. Far better sound than the CA-7 & CA-5II, and every bit as good as the CA-5, if not better. The 430 tuner is a great piece as well. The 420 amp I am not too crazy about, but it is quite respectable. And looks cool. NAD, as far as I know, stands for "Nearly Always Detonates". For God's sake, don't curse yourself with any gear from that horrible crap company. I command you to flog yourself for mentioning that name in the same posting as Nak.;-) I would actually prefer a piece of Carver gear to any NAD, and that is REALLY an insult! Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer Talking Dog Transducer Company http://stephensank.com 5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] 505-332-0336 Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer Payments preferred through Paypal.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Markus Bauer" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 4:30 AM Subject: [naktalk] Amplifiers 410, 420 > Hi, > > it's been some time since I've been contacting the list with the > following problem (that was in March 2003): > > > I am rather new to the list and therfore I hope I am not too > > off-topic. I own the Nakamichi preamplifier 410 and the power > > amplifier 420. Due to a damage in my apartment's electrical wiring > > both of them have been blown up. > > From wontulp at zoomnet.com.au Tue Jul 29 14:03:43 2003 From: wontulp at zoomnet.com.au (David Thompson) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 22:03:43 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Amplifiers 410, 420 In-Reply-To: <3F264CBE.9030703@web.de> References: <3F264CBE.9030703@web.de> Message-ID: You could try a UK source for Nak parts. David >Hi, > >it's been some time since I've been contacting the list with the >following problem (that was in March 2003): > >>I am rather new to the list and therfore I hope I am not too >>off-topic. I own the Nakamichi preamplifier 410 and the power >>amplifier 420. Due to a damage in my apartment's electrical wiring >>both of them have been blown up. >> >>There is still some hope that both can be repaired. This is good >>news, since I believe both are really fine components. After a quite >>difficult search I was able to find a repair shop in Germany that >>will try to fix them. > >The repair shop has been able to repair the power amplifier 420 >without too much problems. However, there are some problems with the >preamplifier 410. They've been able to replace most parts. However, >the transformer is still defect and the shop has not been able to >get a spare one from their supply sources. > >Has anyone on the list an idea, whether it is still possible to get >one of those transformers? Could it be possible (I am a layman >here!) that some transformer from another vendor would fit into the >410? Do I have to give up on the idea to get that nice unit repaired? > >If I am without luck and I cannot get the 410 repaired -- does >anyone have a suggestion whaht to do? Would it make sense to find >another preamplifier to operate with the 420? If so, are there any >recommendations for one? Or would it make more sense to find an >affordable fully integrated amplifier such as the NAD 320 BEE? Would >I loose much quality in choosing a unit like this? (It shure looks >and feels cheaper, but the sound seemed OK with me. I've inherited >the Nakamichi set from my grandfather and it's pretty sure that I >cannot afford something in the same price range. Actually I do not >want to spend much more than 600-700 EUR/US$ on a new amplifier, >since I also have to replace some other units of my stereo system >:-( ) Does anyone have useful suggestions on this!? > >Sorry for being a little off-topic, but there seem to be only a very >limited number of people out there who actually do know that such >units as the 410/420 actually existed... > >Thanks for any help/suggestions, >Markus > >-- >Markus Bauer, Karlsruhe, Germany. mailto:mkbauer at web.de > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- David Thompson Assistant Principal/Academic Coordinator Wontulp-Bi-Buya College PH 07 4041 4596, Fax 07 4041 4597 From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Jul 29 15:25:37 2003 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 07:25:37 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Orange Cap Problem References: <010d01c35575$1ad04fe0$6401a8c0@sdf.bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <03ee01c355d4$e6f72490$0e3442cf@steve> I happened to have a 480 handy to pop open & inventory. Somebody compile this for our future reference, as I'm just going to rattle them off as I see 'em. Replacements should be film caps of polyester, polystyrene or polypropylene, and should be rated 100volts or higher. C303- 4700pf C302- 4700pf C305- 0.068uf C120/220- 0.033uf C118/218- 4700pf C139/239- 560pf C113/213- 3000pf That seems to be the lot. Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer Talking Dog Transducer Company http://stephensank.com 5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] 505-332-0336 Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer Payments preferred through Paypal.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael R. Cook" To: Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 7:59 PM Subject: [naktalk] Orange Cap Problem Stephen, I want to replace the orange caps in my Nak 480 and wanted to know if there is a parts list to work from that lists the type of cap (ufd/V) and the PCB number (C302). I can't seem to locate a service manual anywhere for the 480. Thanks for your time. Mike ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Jul 29 15:34:56 2003 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 07:34:56 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Amplifiers 410, 420 References: <3F264CBE.9030703@web.de> <03b501c355c3$a4791c10$0e3442cf@steve> <001b01c355cd$3a40fca0$50299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <040001c355d6$33bbe4e0$0e3442cf@steve> No, the CA-7 transformer is a purely custom affair with two or three secondaries. Not something you'll find OEM, I'm afraid. Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer Talking Dog Transducer Company http://stephensank.com 5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] 505-332-0336 Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer Payments preferred through Paypal.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 6:15 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Amplifiers 410, 420 > > Hi Stephen, > > Would that potted toroidal works with CA7A as well ? I plan to upgrade > (downgrade ?) my 110V model to accept 220V. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Stephen Sank > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 6:22 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Amplifiers 410, 420 > > > Go to http://www.digikey.com & order stock #TE70062-ND. It is a potted > torroidal, 115/230VAC primaries, and is every bit as good as the original. > It will just require a bit of intelligence to adapt the mounting hardware > configuration. The cost is only $18.23usd, so the bulk of cost may be the > overseas shipping. > I own a 410 preamp myself, which I've done some minor upgrades upon. It's a > great little preamp. Far better sound than the CA-7 & CA-5II, and every bit > as good as the CA-5, if not better. The 430 tuner is a great piece as well. > The 420 amp I am not too crazy about, but it is quite respectable. And > looks cool. > NAD, as far as I know, stands for "Nearly Always Detonates". For God's > sake, don't curse yourself with any gear from that horrible crap company. I > command you to flog yourself for mentioning that name in the same posting as > Nak.;-) I would actually prefer a piece of Carver gear to any NAD, and that > is REALLY an insult! > > Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer > Talking Dog Transducer Company > http://stephensank.com > 5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] > 505-332-0336 > Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer > Payments preferred through Paypal.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Markus Bauer" > To: ; > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 4:30 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Amplifiers 410, 420 > > > > Hi, > > > > it's been some time since I've been contacting the list with the > > following problem (that was in March 2003): > > > > > I am rather new to the list and therfore I hope I am not too > > > off-topic. I own the Nakamichi preamplifier 410 and the power > > > amplifier 420. Due to a damage in my apartment's electrical wiring > > > both of them have been blown up. > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jul 29 15:58:06 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 14:58:06 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Spares for stock In-Reply-To: <040001c355d6$33bbe4e0$0e3442cf@steve> Message-ID: <000001c355d9$6fd4ff40$ce944c51@oemcomputer> Any recommendations what spares should be kept in stock for a CR7 (gear not modified)?? Graham > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.502 / Virus Database: 300 - Release Date: 18/07/03 From mcook17 at bellsouth.net Tue Jul 29 16:36:44 2003 From: mcook17 at bellsouth.net (mcook17 at bellsouth.net) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 10:36:44 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Orange Cap Problem Message-ID: <20030729143644.ACH23972.imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Thanks Stephen! This will be an enormous help in my efforts to revive my Nak. > > From: "Stephen Sank" > Date: 2003/07/29 Tue AM 09:25:37 EDT > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Orange Cap Problem > > I happened to have a 480 handy to pop open & inventory. Somebody compile > this for our future reference, as I'm just going to rattle them off as I see > 'em. Replacements should be film caps of polyester, polystyrene or > polypropylene, and should be rated 100volts or higher. > C303- 4700pf > C302- 4700pf > C305- 0.068uf > C120/220- 0.033uf > C118/218- 4700pf > C139/239- 560pf > C113/213- 3000pf > > That seems to be the lot. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer > Talking Dog Transducer Company > http://stephensank.com > 5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] > 505-332-0336 > Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer > Payments preferred through Paypal.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael R. Cook" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 7:59 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Orange Cap Problem > > > Stephen, I want to replace the orange caps in my Nak 480 and wanted to know > if there is a parts list to work from that lists the type of cap (ufd/V) and > the PCB number (C302). I can't seem to locate a service manual anywhere for > the 480. Thanks for your time. > > Mike > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Jul 29 15:36:54 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 09:36:54 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Amplifiers 410, 420 References: <3F264CBE.9030703@web.de> <03b501c355c3$a4791c10$0e3442cf@steve> Message-ID: <3F267876.D230820F@rcn.com> Stephen Sank wrote: > > [.....] > > NAD, as far as I know, stands for "Nearly Always Detonates". I thought it stands for Nearly Always Defective. Thanks for setting me straight. -- Ron From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Jul 29 17:06:10 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 11:06:10 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Spares for stock References: <000001c355d9$6fd4ff40$ce944c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3F268D62.16F56680@rcn.com> Nelson wrote: > > Any recommendations what spares should be kept in stock for a CR7 (gear not > modified)?? > > Graham > >From my old list (never got around to actually ordering the parts): Belt OC80634A Reel motor CA80730A Pinch roller OC08164A Takeup pinch roller Ass. CA80368A Supply pinch roller Ass. CA80366A Idler arm CA08193A Lamp OC81327A Rubber cap for lamp OC81402A The last two parts, along with the lamp holder, came together as P/N CA80350. -- Ron From rdforester at hotmail.com Tue Jul 29 17:24:05 2003 From: rdforester at hotmail.com (R Forester) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 15:24:05 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Sick 660ZX Message-ID: Hi Guys, I've been lurking here for 3 or 4 years and appreciate the dialog. I was wondering if anyone could tell me the nature of a problem with my 660zx. After putting a tape in and pressing the play button the play light comes on for about 2 seconds, the tape acts like its going to start and turns off. If I hold the play button down the reels turn for about 2 seconds and slow to a stop. The rewind and fastforward buttons cause the reels to turn but only if the button is held down, stopping abruptly when released. I bought the unit 3 years ago on eBay. It could use a total going over I'm sure but I was thinking this might be something simple. I also need a door release lever(Porbably why I got it so cheap) if someone could point me in the right direction. I got out my 550 to use as back-up and alas it was dead too but thats another story. Please help, I need my cassette, I just received a couple dozen LPs I want to copy for the car. Thanks, Another Ron _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Jul 29 17:24:48 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 22:24:48 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Spares for stock References: <000001c355d9$6fd4ff40$ce944c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <000601c355e5$8fb3c1a0$f0299bca@smarzuki> Apart from another CR7 ? Just kidding !!! :-D Actually not much, idler rubbers, drive belts and some good lube for sticky capstan shaft. If you plan to hold it for a looong time then a spare pb head would be a good idea, but then again I'd recommend to stick to all manual ZX9 instead, as I'm a bit worried when CR7's auto align go south. Never heard before - but not impossible and will require official Nak tools. Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Nelson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 8:58 PM Subject: [naktalk] Spares for stock Any recommendations what spares should be kept in stock for a CR7 (gear not modified)?? Graham From kannan_s at vsnl.com Tue Jul 29 20:13:58 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 23:43:58 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Spares for stock Message-ID: <20030729181358.A1AD2114A56@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From vzimakov at mtu-net.ru Tue Jul 29 19:09:58 2003 From: vzimakov at mtu-net.ru (Vladimir) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 21:09:58 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] Sick 660ZX In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2829519732.20030729210958@mtu-net.ru> Hello R, First of all check the belts to autostop sensor and tape counter. You should disassemble the face plate and remove the black plate under cassette door. If the belt is Ok, a small bulb in autostop sensor unit may be is dead. Good luck, Vladimir. вторник, 29 июля 2003 г., you wrote to me: RF> Hi Guys, I've been lurking here for 3 or 4 years and appreciate the dialog. RF> I was wondering if anyone could tell me the nature of a problem with my RF> 660zx. After putting a tape in and pressing the play button the play light RF> comes on for about 2 seconds, the tape acts like its going to start and RF> turns off. If I hold the play button down the reels turn for about 2 RF> seconds and slow to a stop. The rewind and fastforward buttons cause the RF> reels to turn but only if the button is held down, stopping abruptly when RF> released. I bought the unit 3 years ago on eBay. It could use a total RF> going over I'm sure but I was thinking this might be something simple. I RF> also need a door release lever(Porbably why I got it so cheap) if someone RF> could point me in the right direction. I got out my 550 to use as back-up RF> and alas it was dead too but thats another story. Please help, I need my RF> cassette, I just received a couple dozen LPs I want to copy for the car. RF> Thanks, Another Ron RF> _________________________________________________________________ RF> Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. RF> http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail RF> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= RF> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register RF> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= RF> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist RF> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk RF> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Best regards, Vladimir mailto:vzimakov at mtu-net.ru From mkbauer at web.de Tue Jul 29 20:49:27 2003 From: mkbauer at web.de (Markus Bauer) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 20:49:27 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Amplifiers 410, 420 In-Reply-To: <03b501c355c3$a4791c10$0e3442cf@steve> References: <3F264CBE.9030703@web.de> <03b501c355c3$a4791c10$0e3442cf@steve> Message-ID: <3F26C1B7.6000806@web.de> Hi Stephen, thanks for your quick answer! > Go to http://www.digikey.com & order stock #TE70062-ND. It is a > potted torroidal, 115/230VAC primaries, and is every bit as good as > the original. It will just require a bit of intelligence to adapt the > mounting hardware configuration. How complicated will it be to build that into my 410? Is that something I could do myself -- maybe if I get hold of some friend who is more confident with a soldering iron than I am :-) -- or should I try to convince my repair shop to do it? (I wonder whether they would be flexible enough to do such a thing?) > The cost is only $18.23usd, so the bulk of cost may be the overseas > shipping. That seems to be a nice bargain, oversees shipping for a 500g package can't cost the world... > I own a 410 preamp myself, which I've done some minor upgrades upon. > It's a great little preamp. Far better sound than the CA-7 & CA-5II, > and every bit as good as the CA-5, if not better. The 430 tuner is > a great piece as well. The 420 amp I am not too crazy about, but it > is quite respectable. And looks cool. I own all three units and I like all of them. I like the sound (though I probably do not have particularly sophicticated listening capabilities) and I like the build quality and the look of the units. That#s why I wanted to have them repaired... > NAD, as far as I know, stands > for "Nearly Always Detonates". For God's sake, don't curse yourself > with any gear from that horrible crap company. I command you to flog > yourself for mentioning that name in the same posting as Nak.;-) I > would actually prefer a piece of Carver gear to any NAD, and that is > REALLY an insult! Sorry :-) They have a good reputation here in Germany, I suppose. At least they win hifi mag tests all the time -- whatever that's worth :-) It's a pity that there is no repair shop in Germany like yours, otherwise I would have already solved my Nak repair problems, I suppose :-( Thanks again for your advice, Markus -- Markus Bauer, Karlsruhe, Germany. mailto:mkbauer at web.de From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Wed Jul 30 00:18:48 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 08:18:48 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Amplifiers 410, 420 Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02202149@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> And I thought it stood for "Never any detail" :) NAD, as far as I know, stands for "Nearly Always Detonates". From wheijke at xs4all.nl Wed Jul 30 10:23:32 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 10:23:32 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi building pictures Message-ID: <15425.212.78.179.234.1059553412.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Pictures before and after they destroyed the building: http://www.naks.com/nakamichibuilding Wouter From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Jul 30 14:18:38 2003 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 06:18:38 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Real meanings of manufacturer acronyms Message-ID: <054c01c35694$b833b1d0$0e3442cf@steve> NAD- Nearly Always Detonates (sub-category- PE series receivers & amps- Purchase Extinguisher!!) AMC- Audibly Muddy Crap a/d/s- Acquisitions Deliberately Shitcanned (re: Apogee speakers & Museatex digital audio) Creek(ok, so it ain't an acronym)- Constructed Recklessly, Empty of Engineering Knowledge NEC- Never Expect Consistency MGA- Mitsubishi's Garbage, Anonymously YBA- Yep, Bipolars Anonymous (re: sanded off part numbers) TDK- Tape Deteriorates Kwikly (was good tape 20 years ago) BASF- Bloody Awful Sticky Formulas (mainly an open reel tape reference) NHT- Nasty Hashy Tweeters BSR- Bloody Savage on Records (old reference) Additions anyone? Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer Talking Dog Transducer Company http://stephensank.com 5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] 505-332-0336 Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer Payments preferred through Paypal.com From mcook17 at bellsouth.net Wed Jul 30 23:32:20 2003 From: mcook17 at bellsouth.net (Michael R. Cook) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 17:32:20 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Orange Cap Problem References: <010d01c35575$1ad04fe0$6401a8c0@sdf.bellsouth.net> <03ee01c355d4$e6f72490$0e3442cf@steve> Message-ID: <001001c356e2$0ea38160$6401a8c0@sdf.bellsouth.net> Stephen, Would any of these caps cause recordings to sound compressed, with less dynamic range, kind of like a cheap recorder? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 9:25 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Orange Cap Problem > I happened to have a 480 handy to pop open & inventory. Somebody compile > this for our future reference, as I'm just going to rattle them off as I see > 'em. Replacements should be film caps of polyester, polystyrene or > polypropylene, and should be rated 100volts or higher. > C303- 4700pf > C302- 4700pf > C305- 0.068uf > C120/220- 0.033uf > C118/218- 4700pf > C139/239- 560pf > C113/213- 3000pf > > That seems to be the lot. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer > Talking Dog Transducer Company > http://stephensank.com > 5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] > 505-332-0336 > Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer > Payments preferred through Paypal.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael R. Cook" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 7:59 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Orange Cap Problem > > > Stephen, I want to replace the orange caps in my Nak 480 and wanted to know > if there is a parts list to work from that lists the type of cap (ufd/V) and > the PCB number (C302). I can't seem to locate a service manual anywhere for > the 480. Thanks for your time. > > Mike > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ---- > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Jul 31 00:18:35 2003 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 16:18:35 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Orange Cap Problem References: <010d01c35575$1ad04fe0$6401a8c0@sdf.bellsouth.net><03ee01c355d4$e6f72490$0e3442cf@steve> <001001c356e2$0ea38160$6401a8c0@sdf.bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <055c01c356e8$87fc0db0$0e3442cf@steve> Possibly C302/303/305 going partially bad may cause recordings to sound like that. With any weird electronic symptoms on any Nak made after 1978(i.e., 1000, 1000II, 700, 700II, 500, 250, 350, 550 had none of these brand of caps), orange cap disease should be one of the first things suspected. Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer Talking Dog Transducer Company http://stephensank.com 5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] 505-332-0336 Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer Payments preferred through Paypal.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael R. Cook" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 3:32 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Orange Cap Problem > Stephen, > > Would any of these caps cause recordings to sound compressed, with less > dynamic range, kind of like a cheap recorder? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 9:25 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Orange Cap Problem > > > > I happened to have a 480 handy to pop open & inventory. Somebody compile > > this for our future reference, as I'm just going to rattle them off as I > see > > 'em. Replacements should be film caps of polyester, polystyrene or > > polypropylene, and should be rated 100volts or higher. > > C303- 4700pf > > C302- 4700pf > > C305- 0.068uf > > C120/220- 0.033uf > > C118/218- 4700pf > > C139/239- 560pf > > C113/213- 3000pf > > > > That seems to be the lot. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Talking Dog Transducer Company > > http://stephensank.com > > 5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] > > 505-332-0336 > > Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer > > Payments preferred through Paypal.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Michael R. Cook" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 7:59 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] Orange Cap Problem > > > > > > Stephen, I want to replace the orange caps in my Nak 480 and wanted to > know > > if there is a parts list to work from that lists the type of cap (ufd/V) > and > > the PCB number (C302). I can't seem to locate a service manual anywhere > for > > the 480. Thanks for your time. > > > > Mike > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > ---- > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Jul 31 00:27:32 2003 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 16:27:32 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Amplifiers 410, 420 References: <3F264CBE.9030703@web.de> <03b501c355c3$a4791c10$0e3442cf@steve> <3F26C1B7.6000806@web.de> Message-ID: <056c01c356e9$c5e258e0$0e3442cf@steve> The Talema torroidal transformer from Digikey is made for circuit board mounting, with pins out the bottom and a threaded bolt hole that goes only halfway through the middle from the bottom. So, with this tranny being, I'm pretty sure, smaller in diameter than the Nak unit, I would tell you to get a piece of nicely thick glass epoxy perforated board("breadboarding circuit board"), the sort with no copper cladding, cut it to the dimensions of the stock unit(including mounting flanges, of course), drill holes in the corners to match the stock mounting holes, then mount the Talema on the board, and the board onto the chassis, with at least 1/4" spacers to keep the Talema's terminal pins off the chassis. Then it's a simple matter to wire up the Talema to the unit. Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer Talking Dog Transducer Company http://stephensank.com 5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] 505-332-0336 Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer Payments preferred through Paypal.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Markus Bauer" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Amplifiers 410, 420 > Hi Stephen, > > thanks for your quick answer! > > > Go to http://www.digikey.com & order stock #TE70062-ND. It is a > > potted torroidal, 115/230VAC primaries, and is every bit as good as > > the original. It will just require a bit of intelligence to adapt the > > mounting hardware configuration. > How complicated will it be to build that into my 410? Is that something > I could do myself -- maybe if I get hold of some friend who is more > confident with a soldering iron than I am :-) -- or should I try to > convince my repair shop to do it? (I wonder whether they would be > flexible enough to do such a thing?) > > > The cost is only $18.23usd, so the bulk of cost may be the overseas > > shipping. > That seems to be a nice bargain, oversees shipping for a 500g package > can't cost the world... > > > I own a 410 preamp myself, which I've done some minor upgrades upon. > > It's a great little preamp. Far better sound than the CA-7 & CA-5II, > > and every bit as good as the CA-5, if not better. The 430 tuner is > > a great piece as well. The 420 amp I am not too crazy about, but it > > is quite respectable. And looks cool. > I own all three units and I like all of them. I like the sound (though I > probably do not have particularly sophicticated listening capabilities) > and I like the build quality and the look of the units. That#s why I > wanted to have them repaired... > > > NAD, as far as I know, stands > > for "Nearly Always Detonates". For God's sake, don't curse yourself > > with any gear from that horrible crap company. I command you to flog > > yourself for mentioning that name in the same posting as Nak.;-) I > > would actually prefer a piece of Carver gear to any NAD, and that is > > REALLY an insult! > Sorry :-) They have a good reputation here in Germany, I suppose. At > least they win hifi mag tests all the time -- whatever that's worth :-) > > It's a pity that there is no repair shop in Germany like yours, > otherwise I would have already solved my Nak repair problems, I suppose :-( > > Thanks again for your advice, > Markus > > -- > Markus Bauer, Karlsruhe, Germany. mailto:mkbauer at web.de > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From mcook17 at bellsouth.net Thu Jul 31 02:27:34 2003 From: mcook17 at bellsouth.net (Michael R. Cook) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 20:27:34 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Orange Cap Problem References: <010d01c35575$1ad04fe0$6401a8c0@sdf.bellsouth.net><03ee01c355d4$e6f72490$0e3442cf@steve><001001c356e2$0ea38160$6401a8c0@sdf.bellsouth.net> <055c01c356e8$87fc0db0$0e3442cf@steve> Message-ID: <004201c356fa$89a34fe0$6401a8c0@sdf.bellsouth.net> What parts source do you recommend for these polyester film caps? Is there a web site that offers preferred parts? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 6:18 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Orange Cap Problem > Possibly C302/303/305 going partially bad may cause recordings to sound like > that. With any weird electronic symptoms on any Nak made after 1978(i.e., > 1000, 1000II, 700, 700II, 500, 250, 350, 550 had none of these brand of > caps), orange cap disease should be one of the first things suspected. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer > Talking Dog Transducer Company > http://stephensank.com > 5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] > 505-332-0336 > Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer > Payments preferred through Paypal.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael R. Cook" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 3:32 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Orange Cap Problem > > > > Stephen, > > > > Would any of these caps cause recordings to sound compressed, with less > > dynamic range, kind of like a cheap recorder? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 9:25 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Orange Cap Problem > > > > > > > I happened to have a 480 handy to pop open & inventory. Somebody > compile > > > this for our future reference, as I'm just going to rattle them off as I > > see > > > 'em. Replacements should be film caps of polyester, polystyrene or > > > polypropylene, and should be rated 100volts or higher. > > > C303- 4700pf > > > C302- 4700pf > > > C305- 0.068uf > > > C120/220- 0.033uf > > > C118/218- 4700pf > > > C139/239- 560pf > > > C113/213- 3000pf > > > > > > That seems to be the lot. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Talking Dog Transducer Company > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] > > > 505-332-0336 > > > Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer > > > Payments preferred through Paypal.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Michael R. Cook" > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 7:59 PM > > > Subject: [naktalk] Orange Cap Problem > > > > > > > > > Stephen, I want to replace the orange caps in my Nak 480 and wanted to > > know > > > if there is a parts list to work from that lists the type of cap (ufd/V) > > and > > > the PCB number (C302). I can't seem to locate a service manual anywhere > > for > > > the 480. Thanks for your time. > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ddino77 at earthlink.net Thu Jul 31 06:06:21 2003 From: ddino77 at earthlink.net (ddino77 at earthlink.net) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 00:06:21 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Orange Cap Problem Message-ID: <232810-2200374314621817@M2W073.mail2web.com> I have a 700II brought out of storage that plays perfect but records crummy. While recording the test tone the right channel VU meter oscillates, music sounds compressed, distorted and at a lower level than the left channel. Also, the RH azimuth LED alignment beacons flicker alternatly only for a few seconds, but do not remain that way (they stops flickering until re-adjustment is initiated). And finaly when FF or RW is selected the cassette compartment door locks and can only be ejected by shuting down power to the unit. I cleaned the heads, demagnatized and cleaned as much as possible. Any ideas? Original Message: ----------------- From: Stephen Sank bk11 at thuntek.net Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 16:18:35 -0600 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Orange Cap Problem Possibly C302/303/305 going partially bad may cause recordings to sound like that. With any weird electronic symptoms on any Nak made after 1978(i.e., 1000, 1000II, 700, 700II, 500, 250, 350, 550 had none of these brand of caps), orange cap disease should be one of the first things suspected. Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer Talking Dog Transducer Company http://stephensank.com 5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] 505-332-0336 Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer Payments preferred through Paypal.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael R. Cook" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 3:32 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Orange Cap Problem > Stephen, > > Would any of these caps cause recordings to sound compressed, with less > dynamic range, kind of like a cheap recorder? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 9:25 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Orange Cap Problem > > > > I happened to have a 480 handy to pop open & inventory. Somebody compile > > this for our future reference, as I'm just going to rattle them off as I > see > > 'em. Replacements should be film caps of polyester, polystyrene or > > polypropylene, and should be rated 100volts or higher. > > C303- 4700pf > > C302- 4700pf > > C305- 0.068uf > > C120/220- 0.033uf > > C118/218- 4700pf > > C139/239- 560pf > > C113/213- 3000pf > > > > That seems to be the lot. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Talking Dog Transducer Company > > http://stephensank.com > > 5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] > > 505-332-0336 > > Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer > > Payments preferred through Paypal.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Michael R. Cook" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 7:59 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] Orange Cap Problem > > > > > > Stephen, I want to replace the orange caps in my Nak 480 and wanted to > know > > if there is a parts list to work from that lists the type of cap (ufd/V) > and > > the PCB number (C302). I can't seem to locate a service manual anywhere > for > > the 480. Thanks for your time. > > > > Mike > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > ---- > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From Dougdeck at aol.com Thu Jul 31 05:21:50 2003 From: Dougdeck at aol.com (Dougdeck at aol.com) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 23:21:50 EDT Subject: [naktalk] nak remote control din cables Message-ID: <1ef.e2c2aca.2c59e54e@aol.com> hi all! i recall reading some where in the naktalk archives about pin outs on nak cables. cant find it now! need to get newly aquired zx-7 hooked up to my ca-7a pre. has anyone been able to find din connectors for making cables? mcm? radio shack? my mb-1s hasent got much use in the last couple of weeks! almost forgot how good a high end deck sounds! feel i got a real good deal on this one! 305.00 + shipping ebay. what i've learned about buying off ebay= i try to buy all minty equipment. 1: ask questions, 2: repeat number 1, 3: pictures speak a thousand words! ask the seller to remove the door and take a pic of the transport! in the last 2 months i've aquired: 2 pa-7,bx-125,bx-2, mb-1s,ca-7a,zx-7, infinty kappa 8's. ca-7a and one of the pa-7 black beauties came from audiogon. i'm very well close to having my dream system of my younger days! been buying cassette's like crazy, if you have a goodwill store in your area you may luck out like i did. 25 to 50 cents each. i bought 130 my first visit! well enough jabber for now. if you can help me out with the pin outs on nak din's thanks! doug deck st petersburg FL aka 1goodsalesman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cptarun at yahoo.co.in Thu Jul 31 13:12:35 2003 From: cptarun at yahoo.co.in (=?iso-8859-1?q?Chandra=20Tarun?=) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 12:12:35 +0100 (BST) Subject: [naktalk] Newbie question: what is the orange caps problem? In-Reply-To: <200307291823.h6TINgUw024840@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <20030731111235.57555.qmail@web8205.mail.in.yahoo.com> I saw some of you discussing replacement of orange caps in a 480. Can you please explain what's the problem with them? Why should they be replaced? I don't remember reading anything about them in Mark Nutter's Nak maintenance FAQ, and that's the limit of my technical knowledge of internals. :( Tarun ________________________________________________________________________ Send free SMS using the Yahoo! Messenger. Go to http://in.mobile.yahoo.com/new/pc/ From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Jul 31 14:56:44 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 13:56:44 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] nak remote control din cables In-Reply-To: <1ef.e2c2aca.2c59e54e@aol.com> Message-ID: <001c01c35763$31ecfee0$56964c51@oemcomputer> Doug You ought to be able to find DIN plugs from Radio Shack. Otherwise, try Maplins - they definitely sell them. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Dougdeck at aol.com Sent: 31 July 2003 04:22 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] nak remote control din cables hi all! i recall reading some where in the naktalk archives about pin outs on nak cables. cant find it now! need to get newly aquired zx-7 hooked up to my ca-7a pre. has anyone been able to find din connectors for making cables? mcm? radio shack? my mb-1s hasent got much use in the last couple of weeks! almost forgot how good a high end deck sounds! feel i got a real good deal on this one! 305.00 + shipping ebay. what i've learned about buying off ebay= i try to buy all minty equipment. 1: ask questions, 2: repeat number 1, 3: pictures speak a thousand words! ask the seller to remove the door and take a pic of the transport! in the last 2 months i've aquired: 2 pa-7,bx-125,bx-2, mb-1s,ca-7a,zx-7, infinty kappa 8's. ca-7a and one of the pa-7 black beauties came from audiogon. i'm very well close to having my dream system of my younger days! been buying cassette's like crazy, if you have a goodwill store in your area you may luck out like i did. 25 to 50 cents each. i bought 130 my first visit! well enough jabber for now. if you can help me out with the pin outs on nak din's thanks! doug deck st petersburg FL aka 1goodsalesman --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. 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Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Dougdeck at aol.com Sent: 31 July 2003 04:22 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] nak remote control din cables hi all! i recall reading some where in the naktalk archives about pin outs on nak cables. cant find it now! need to get newly aquired zx-7 hooked up to my ca-7a pre. has anyone been able to find din connectors for making cables? mcm? radio shack? my mb-1s hasent got much use in the last couple of weeks! almost forgot how good a high end deck sounds! feel i got a real good deal on this one! 305.00 + shipping ebay. what i've learned about buying off ebay= i try to buy all minty equipment. 1: ask questions, 2: repeat number 1, 3: pictures speak a thousand words! ask the seller to remove the door and take a pic of the transport! in the last 2 months i've aquired: 2 pa-7,bx-125,bx-2, mb-1s,ca-7a,zx-7, infinty kappa 8's. ca-7a and one of the pa-7 black beauties came from audiogon. i'm very well close to having my dream system of my younger days! been buying cassette's like crazy, if you have a goodwill store in your area you may luck out like i did. 25 to 50 cents each. i bought 130 my first visit! well enough jabber for now. if you can help me out with the pin outs on nak din's thanks! doug deck st petersburg FL aka 1goodsalesman --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.504 / Virus Database: 302 - Release Date: 24/07/03 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Jul 31 14:57:26 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 13:57:26 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Newbie question: what is the orange caps problem? In-Reply-To: <20030731111235.57555.qmail@web8205.mail.in.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000501c35763$4aa4d0c0$56964c51@oemcomputer> Very simply, they deteriorate and break down, causing a wide variety of curious symptoms. Some Nakophiliacs like to replace all the orange caps before they break down, others wait for it to happen. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Chandra Tarun > Sent: 31 July 2003 12:13 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Newbie question: what is the orange caps problem? > > > I saw some of you discussing replacement of orange > caps in a 480. Can you please explain what's the > problem with them? Why should they be replaced? I > don't remember reading anything about them in Mark > Nutter's Nak maintenance FAQ, and that's the limit of > my technical knowledge of internals. :( > > Tarun > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Send free SMS using the Yahoo! Messenger. 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Version: 6.0.504 / Virus Database: 302 - Release Date: 24/07/03 From ddino77 at earthlink.net Thu Jul 31 15:08:42 2003 From: ddino77 at earthlink.net (ddino77) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 09:08:42 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 700II Question Message-ID: <000801c35764$e2525ae0$f0a1b73f@ddino77> Hello friends! I have a 700II that was brought out of storage which has good playback but records crummy. While recording the calibration tone the right channel VU meter oscillates bellow the red ref line, music sounds compressed, distorted and at a lower level than the left channel. Also, the RH azimuth LED alignment beacons flicker alternatly for a few seconds, but do not remain that way (they stop flickering until re-adjustment is initiated). And finaly when FF or RW is selected the cassette compartment door locks and can only be ejected by shuting down power to the unit. Unfortunately I don't have the owners manual, so I cleaned the heads, demagnatized and look around for obvious problems. I hope someone out there has experience with this issue. Any ideas? thnx ddan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Jul 31 15:50:39 2003 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 07:50:39 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 700II Question References: <000801c35764$e2525ae0$f0a1b73f@ddino77> Message-ID: <008801c3576a$bb012470$253442cf@steve> As is the case with "orange cap disease", with strange problems on a 700/700II, the first thing to do before killing yourself looking for specific faults is to clean & tighten all of the circuit board edge connectors in the unit. They are used not just for board-to-board junctions, but also as cable connectors, where a small piece of printed circuit board, to fit an edge connector, is wired to the end of a cable bundle. One must clean the contact areas on the boards, and individually tighten each & every contact in every connector, by using a tiny, tiny screwdriver or dental pick to pull the contacts inward as far as they can without having the board insertion crushing them. Getting to all connectors requires pulling the deck from the cabinet & removing the whole front panel, which is not too hard. The hardest thing is the tedium of tightening over a hundred little contact springs. So, take some prozac & have at it. Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer Talking Dog Transducer Company http://stephensank.com 5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] 505-332-0336 Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer Payments preferred through Paypal.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "ddino77" To: Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 7:08 AM Subject: [naktalk] 700II Question Hello friends! I have a 700II that was brought out of storage which has good playback but records crummy. While recording the calibration tone the right channel VU meter oscillates bellow the red ref line, music sounds compressed, distorted and at a lower level than the left channel. Also, the RH azimuth LED alignment beacons flicker alternatly for a few seconds, but do not remain that way (they stop flickering until re-adjustment is initiated). And finaly when FF or RW is selected the cassette compartment door locks and can only be ejected by shuting down power to the unit. Unfortunately I don't have the owners manual, so I cleaned the heads, demagnatized and look around for obvious problems. I hope someone out there has experience with this issue. Any ideas? thnx ddan ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Jul 31 15:54:20 2003 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 07:54:20 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Orange Cap Problem References: <010d01c35575$1ad04fe0$6401a8c0@sdf.bellsouth.net><03ee01c355d4$e6f72490$0e3442cf@steve><001001c356e2$0ea38160$6401a8c0@sdf.bellsouth.net><055c01c356e8$87fc0db0$0e3442cf@steve> <004201c356fa$89a34fe0$6401a8c0@sdf.bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <009201c3576b$3ec3ea90$253442cf@steve> Not sure if members outside the usa can take advantage, but the best source is http://www.digikey.com, which carries the Panasonic ECQ-B series polyester caps, available from the smallest pf values(which you'll have to translate into uf, by multiplying by one million, e.g., 330pf = 0.00033uf) to the largest values needed, and are quite inexpensive. Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer Talking Dog Transducer Company http://stephensank.com 5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] 505-332-0336 Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer Payments preferred through Paypal.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael R. Cook" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 6:27 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Orange Cap Problem > What parts source do you recommend for these polyester film caps? Is there > a web site that offers preferred parts? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 6:18 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Orange Cap Problem > > > > Possibly C302/303/305 going partially bad may cause recordings to sound > like > > that. With any weird electronic symptoms on any Nak made after 1978(i.e., > > 1000, 1000II, 700, 700II, 500, 250, 350, 550 had none of these brand of > > caps), orange cap disease should be one of the first things suspected. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Talking Dog Transducer Company > > http://stephensank.com > > 5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] > > 505-332-0336 > > Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer > > Payments preferred through Paypal.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Michael R. Cook" > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 3:32 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Orange Cap Problem > > > > > > > Stephen, > > > > > > Would any of these caps cause recordings to sound compressed, with less > > > dynamic range, kind of like a cheap recorder? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 9:25 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Orange Cap Problem > > > > > > > > > > I happened to have a 480 handy to pop open & inventory. Somebody > > compile > > > > this for our future reference, as I'm just going to rattle them off as > I > > > see > > > > 'em. Replacements should be film caps of polyester, polystyrene or > > > > polypropylene, and should be rated 100volts or higher. > > > > C303- 4700pf > > > > C302- 4700pf > > > > C305- 0.068uf > > > > C120/220- 0.033uf > > > > C118/218- 4700pf > > > > C139/239- 560pf > > > > C113/213- 3000pf > > > > > > > > That seems to be the lot. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Talking Dog Transducer Company > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > 5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] > > > > 505-332-0336 > > > > Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer > > > > Payments preferred through Paypal.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Michael R. Cook" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 7:59 PM > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Orange Cap Problem > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen, I want to replace the orange caps in my Nak 480 and wanted > to > > > know > > > > if there is a parts list to work from that lists the type of cap > (ufd/V) > > > and > > > > the PCB number (C302). I can't seem to locate a service manual > anywhere > > > for > > > > the 480. Thanks for your time. > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > -- > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From jvbrhg at seanet.com Thu Jul 31 17:21:24 2003 From: jvbrhg at seanet.com (Babin/Greseth) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 08:21:24 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] nak remote control din cables References: <001c01c35763$31ecfee0$56964c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <001601c35777$6a45f440$051d0cd0@r7g1f8> Nak Friends- What is Maplins? Is this an electronics store I might like? Randall-Seattle,WA ----- Original Message ----- From: Nelson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 5:56 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] nak remote control din cables Doug You ought to be able to find DIN plugs from Radio Shack. Otherwise, try Maplins - they definitely sell them. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Dougdeck at aol.com Sent: 31 July 2003 04:22 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] nak remote control din cables hi all! i recall reading some where in the naktalk archives about pin outs on nak cables. cant find it now! need to get newly aquired zx-7 hooked up to my ca-7a pre. has anyone been able to find din connectors for making cables? mcm? radio shack? my mb-1s hasent got much use in the last couple of weeks! almost forgot how good a high end deck sounds! feel i got a real good deal on this one! 305.00 + shipping ebay. what i've learned about buying off ebay= i try to buy all minty equipment. 1: ask questions, 2: repeat number 1, 3: pictures speak a thousand words! ask the seller to remove the door and take a pic of the transport! in the last 2 months i've aquired: 2 pa-7,bx-125,bx-2, mb-1s,ca-7a,zx-7, infinty kappa 8's. ca-7a and one of the pa-7 black beauties came from audiogon. i'm very well close to having my dream system of my younger days! been buying cassette's like crazy, if you have a goodwill store in your area you may luck out like i did. 25 to 50 cents each. i bought 130 my first visit! well enough jabber for now. if you can help me out with the pin outs on nak din's thanks! doug deck st petersburg FL aka 1goodsalesman ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Jul 31 17:32:45 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 11:32:45 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Newbie question: what is the orange caps problem? References: <20030731111235.57555.qmail@web8205.mail.in.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3F29369D.4E5AE313@rcn.com> Chandra Tarun wrote: > > I saw some of you discussing replacement of orange > caps in a 480. Can you please explain what's the > problem with them? Why should they be replaced? I > don't remember reading anything about them in Mark > Nutter's Nak maintenance FAQ, and that's the limit of > my technical knowledge of internals. :( > > Tarun > These orange caps tend to fail with time. Those that haven't failed so far will eventually fail in the future. As long as you do not have problem, this is of no concern, but when certain problems appear, these caps are highly suspect. Extensive replacement as preemptive maintenance, is usually not warranted. From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Jul 31 17:52:28 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 22:52:28 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] nak remote control din cables References: <000001c35763$4965e820$56964c51@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <003601c3577b$d85d6860$d9299bca@smarzuki> They're 8 pin DIN jacks and you can make diy cable with one to one connection. Slightly different jacks for tuner and CD connections though. Nice collection for 2 months time !!! What's with so many PA7s ? Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Nelson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 7:57 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] nak remote control din cables Doug You ought to be able to find DIN plugs from Radio Shack. Otherwise, try Maplins - they definitely sell them. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Dougdeck at aol.com Sent: 31 July 2003 04:22 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] nak remote control din cables hi all! i recall reading some where in the naktalk archives about pin outs on nak cables. cant find it now! need to get newly aquired zx-7 hooked up to my ca-7a pre. has anyone been able to find din connectors for making cables? mcm? radio shack? my mb-1s hasent got much use in the last couple of weeks! almost forgot how good a high end deck sounds! feel i got a real good deal on this one! 305.00 + shipping ebay. what i've learned about buying off ebay= i try to buy all minty equipment. 1: ask questions, 2: repeat number 1, 3: pictures speak a thousand words! ask the seller to remove the door and take a pic of the transport! in the last 2 months i've aquired: 2 pa-7,bx-125,bx-2, mb-1s,ca-7a,zx-7, infinty kappa 8's. ca-7a and one of the pa-7 black beauties came from audiogon. i'm very well close to having my dream system of my younger days! been buying cassette's like crazy, if you have a goodwill store in your area you may luck out like i did. 25 to 50 cents each. i bought 130 my first visit! well enough jabber for now. if you can help me out with the pin outs on nak din's thanks! doug deck st petersburg FL aka 1goodsalesman From ti at amb.org Thu Jul 31 19:25:25 2003 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 10:25:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Newbie question: what is the orange caps problem? In-Reply-To: <000501c35763$4aa4d0c0$56964c51@oemcomputer> from "Nelson" at Jul 31, 2003 01:57:26 PM Message-ID: <200307311725.RAA27931@amb.org> > I saw some of you discussing replacement of orange > caps in a 480. Can you please explain what's the > problem with them? Why should they be replaced? I > don't remember reading anything about them in Mark > Nutter's Nak maintenance FAQ, and that's the limit of > my technical knowledge of internals. :( Look here: http://support.naks.com/orange -Ti Nakamichi Dragon -- /// Ti Kan Vorsprung durch Technik /// AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA /// ti at amb.org ////// http://www.amb.org/ti/ /// From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu Jul 31 20:24:51 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 20:24:51 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] nak remote control din cables References: <000001c35763$4965e820$56964c51@oemcomputer> <003601c3577b$d85d6860$d9299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3F295EF3.25D52507@xs4all.nl> Here is one of the MR2 owners manual supplements for those who want to know the pinlayout: http://www.naks.com/new/MR2_remote_supplement.gif Wouter Salim Marzuki wrote: > They're 8 pin DIN jacks and you can make diy cable with one to one > connection. Slightly different jacks for tuner and CD connections though. > > Nice collection for 2 months time !!! What's with so many PA7s ? > > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Nelson > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 7:57 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] nak remote control din cables > > Doug > > You ought to be able to find DIN plugs from Radio Shack. Otherwise, try > Maplins - they definitely sell them. > > Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Dougdeck at aol.com > Sent: 31 July 2003 04:22 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] nak remote control din cables > > hi all! i recall reading some where in the naktalk archives about pin outs > on nak cables. cant find it now! need to get newly aquired zx-7 hooked up > to my ca-7a pre. has anyone been able to find din connectors for making > cables? mcm? radio shack? my mb-1s hasent got much use in the last couple of > weeks! almost forgot how good a high end deck sounds! feel i got a real good > deal on this one! 305.00 + shipping ebay. what i've learned about buying off > ebay= i try to buy all minty equipment. 1: ask questions, 2: repeat number > 1, 3: pictures speak a thousand words! ask the seller to remove the door and > take a pic of the transport! in the last 2 months i've aquired: 2 > pa-7,bx-125,bx-2, mb-1s,ca-7a,zx-7, infinty kappa 8's. ca-7a and one of the > pa-7 black beauties came from audiogon. i'm very well close to having my > dream system of my younger days! been buying cassette's like crazy, if you > have a goodwill store in your area you may luck out like i did. 25 to 50 > cents each. i bought 130 my first visit! well enough jabber for now. if you > can help me out with the pin outs on nak din's thanks! > doug deck > st petersburg FL > aka 1goodsalesman > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Thu Jul 31 20:46:15 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 00:16:15 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] nak remote control din cables Message-ID: <20030731184615.3FAD5114EDF@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 31 21:21:35 2003 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 12:21:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] nak remote control din cables In-Reply-To: <3F295EF3.25D52507@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <20030731192135.64041.qmail@web40403.mail.yahoo.com> Excellent picture Wouter. I know that pin 8 is +12V on the MR-1, BX-300 and other decks that use RM-580 remote and on the RX-505 it's "Reverse". What is the function of pin 8 on the Dragon? Is it also reverse? I want to make a wireless remote receiver so I can use my MR-1 with a universal remote. I want to make it compatible with my RX-505 too. While I'm at it I might as well make it compatible with the Dragon in case I am able to find one cheap on eBay or locally at a pawn shop or garage sale. :-) Scott J. --- Wouter Heijke wrote: > Here is one of the MR2 owners manual supplements for > those who want to know the > pinlayout: > > http://www.naks.com/new/MR2_remote_supplement.gif > > Wouter > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > They're 8 pin DIN jacks and you can make diy cable > with one to one > > connection. Slightly different jacks for tuner > and CD connections though. > > > > Nice collection for 2 months time !!! What's with > so many PA7s ? > > > > Salim SM > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Nelson > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 7:57 PM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] nak remote control din > cables > > > > Doug > > > > You ought to be able to find DIN plugs from Radio > Shack. Otherwise, try > > Maplins - they definitely sell them. > > > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Dougdeck at aol.com > > Sent: 31 July 2003 04:22 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] nak remote control din cables > > > > hi all! i recall reading some where in the > naktalk archives about pin outs > > on nak cables. cant find it now! need to get newly > aquired zx-7 hooked up > > to my ca-7a pre. has anyone been able to find din > connectors for making > > cables? mcm? radio shack? my mb-1s hasent got much > use in the last couple of > > weeks! almost forgot how good a high end deck > sounds! feel i got a real good > > deal on this one! 305.00 + shipping ebay. what > i've learned about buying off > > ebay= i try to buy all minty equipment. 1: ask > questions, 2: repeat number > > 1, 3: pictures speak a thousand words! ask the > seller to remove the door and > > take a pic of the transport! in the last 2 months > i've aquired: 2 > > pa-7,bx-125,bx-2, mb-1s,ca-7a,zx-7, infinty kappa > 8's. ca-7a and one of the > > pa-7 black beauties came from audiogon. i'm very > well close to having my > > dream system of my younger days! been buying > cassette's like crazy, if you > > have a goodwill store in your area you may luck > out like i did. 25 to 50 > > cents each. i bought 130 my first visit! well > enough jabber for now. if you > > can help me out with the pin outs on nak din's > thanks! > > doug deck > > st petersburg FL > > aka 1goodsalesman > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From jmtooley at ce.net Thu Jul 31 22:02:22 2003 From: jmtooley at ce.net (jmtooley at ce.net) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 16:02:22 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Amplifiers 410, 420 In-Reply-To: <056c01c356e9$c5e258e0$0e3442cf@steve> References: <3F264CBE.9030703@web.de> <03b501c355c3$a4791c10$0e3442cf@steve> <3F26C1B7.6000806@web.de> <056c01c356e9$c5e258e0$0e3442cf@steve> Message-ID: <1059681742.3f2975ce783a4@mail.ce.net> Good stuff! Go Stephen. Quoting Stephen Sank : > The Talema torroidal transformer from Digikey is made for circuit board > mounting, with pins out the bottom and a threaded bolt hole that goes only > halfway through the middle from the bottom. So, with this tranny being, > I'm > pretty sure, smaller in diameter than the Nak unit, I would tell you to get > a piece of nicely thick glass epoxy perforated board("breadboarding circuit > board"), the sort with no copper cladding, cut it to the dimensions of the > stock unit(including mounting flanges, of course), drill holes in the > corners to match the stock mounting holes, then mount the Talema on the > board, and the board onto the chassis, with at least 1/4" spacers to keep > the Talema's terminal pins off the chassis. Then it's a simple matter to > wire up the Talema to the unit. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer > Talking Dog Transducer Company > http://stephensank.com > 5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] > 505-332-0336 > Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer > Payments preferred through Paypal.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Markus Bauer" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 12:49 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Amplifiers 410, 420 > > > > Hi Stephen, > > > > thanks for your quick answer! > > > > > Go to http://www.digikey.com & order stock #TE70062-ND. It is a > > > potted torroidal, 115/230VAC primaries, and is every bit as good as > > > the original. It will just require a bit of intelligence to adapt the > > > mounting hardware configuration. > > How complicated will it be to build that into my 410? Is that something > > I could do myself -- maybe if I get hold of some friend who is more > > confident with a soldering iron than I am :-) -- or should I try to > > convince my repair shop to do it? (I wonder whether they would be > > flexible enough to do such a thing?) > > > > > The cost is only $18.23usd, so the bulk of cost may be the overseas > > > shipping. > > That seems to be a nice bargain, oversees shipping for a 500g package > > can't cost the world... > > > > > I own a 410 preamp myself, which I've done some minor upgrades upon. > > > It's a great little preamp. Far better sound than the CA-7 & CA-5II, > > > and every bit as good as the CA-5, if not better. The 430 tuner is > > > a great piece as well. The 420 amp I am not too crazy about, but it > > > is quite respectable. And looks cool. > > I own all three units and I like all of them. I like the sound (though I > > probably do not have particularly sophicticated listening capabilities) > > and I like the build quality and the look of the units. That#s why I > > wanted to have them repaired... > > > > > NAD, as far as I know, stands > > > for "Nearly Always Detonates". For God's sake, don't curse yourself > > > with any gear from that horrible crap company. I command you to flog > > > yourself for mentioning that name in the same posting as Nak.;-) I > > > would actually prefer a piece of Carver gear to any NAD, and that is > > > REALLY an insult! > > Sorry :-) They have a good reputation here in Germany, I suppose. At > > least they win hifi mag tests all the time -- whatever that's worth :-) > > > > It's a pity that there is no repair shop in Germany like yours, > > otherwise I would have already solved my Nak repair problems, I suppose > :-( > > > > Thanks again for your advice, > > Markus > > > > -- > > Markus Bauer, Karlsruhe, Germany. mailto:mkbauer at web.de > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu Jul 31 22:10:27 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 22:10:27 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] nak remote control din cables References: <20030731192135.64041.qmail@web40403.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3F2977B2.F9BDD4FD@xs4all.nl> Yeah, great idea, a DIY wireless remote project! It would be great to have a 'cheap' DIY remote reveiver for any Nak that's compatible with regular remotes. Also for a more futuristic remote.. a Bluetooth receiver inside a Nak would be nice, to control it with your bluetooth enabled phone or computer or ??? Wouter Scott Johnson wrote: > Excellent picture Wouter. > > I know that pin 8 is +12V on the MR-1, BX-300 and > other decks that use RM-580 remote and on the RX-505 > it's "Reverse". What is the function of pin 8 on the > Dragon? Is it also reverse? > > I want to make a wireless remote receiver so I can use > my MR-1 with a universal remote. I want to make it > compatible with my RX-505 too. While I'm at it I > might as well make it compatible with the Dragon in > case I am able to find one cheap on eBay or locally at > a pawn shop or garage sale. :-) > > Scott J. > > --- Wouter Heijke wrote: > > Here is one of the MR2 owners manual supplements for > > those who want to know the > > pinlayout: > > > > http://www.naks.com/new/MR2_remote_supplement.gif > > > > Wouter > > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > They're 8 pin DIN jacks and you can make diy cable > > with one to one > > > connection. Slightly different jacks for tuner > > and CD connections though. > > > > > > Nice collection for 2 months time !!! What's with > > so many PA7s ? > > > > > > Salim SM > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Nelson > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 7:57 PM > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] nak remote control din > > cables > > > > > > Doug > > > > > > You ought to be able to find DIN plugs from Radio > > Shack. Otherwise, try > > > Maplins - they definitely sell them. > > > > > > Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > Dougdeck at aol.com > > > Sent: 31 July 2003 04:22 > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: [naktalk] nak remote control din cables > > > > > > hi all! i recall reading some where in the > > naktalk archives about pin outs > > > on nak cables. cant find it now! need to get newly > > aquired zx-7 hooked up > > > to my ca-7a pre. has anyone been able to find din > > connectors for making > > > cables? mcm? radio shack? my mb-1s hasent got much > > use in the last couple of > > > weeks! almost forgot how good a high end deck > > sounds! feel i got a real good > > > deal on this one! 305.00 + shipping ebay. what > > i've learned about buying off > > > ebay= i try to buy all minty equipment. 1: ask > > questions, 2: repeat number > > > 1, 3: pictures speak a thousand words! ask the > > seller to remove the door and > > > take a pic of the transport! in the last 2 months > > i've aquired: 2 > > > pa-7,bx-125,bx-2, mb-1s,ca-7a,zx-7, infinty kappa > > 8's. ca-7a and one of the > > > pa-7 black beauties came from audiogon. i'm very > > well close to having my > > > dream system of my younger days! been buying > > cassette's like crazy, if you > > > have a goodwill store in your area you may luck > > out like i did. 25 to 50 > > > cents each. i bought 130 my first visit! well > > enough jabber for now. if you > > > can help me out with the pin outs on nak din's > > thanks! > > > doug deck > > > st petersburg FL > > > aka 1goodsalesman > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com > > mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Jul 31 22:53:42 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 21:53:42 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] nak remote control din cables In-Reply-To: <20030731184615.3FAD5114EDF@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <000c01c357a5$d362e540$a58e4c51@oemcomputer> Yes, Maplin is a store in the UK but I believe they will provide mail order beyond the UK. Graham > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of kannan_s at vsnl.com > Sent: 31 July 2003 19:46 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] nak remote control din cables > > > Maplin is an electronic store in UK. But I think if you can see > some electronic stores like I have seen in Santa Clara called > "surplus Electronics " store which sells lot of electronic > componenets and used computer parts , wires etc. If you cannot > find such electronic component store in your area - I can get > them for you but shipping may be more than the cost of parts! > But somebody new to US like me could find some store like this > you should find it easier to locate I assume? > > kannan > > jvbrhg at seanet.com wrote > Nak Friends- > > What is Maplins? Is this an electronics store I might like? > Randall-Seattle,WA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Nelson > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.504 / Virus Database: 302 - Release Date: 24/07/03 g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2003\2003-8.txt ************************************************************************ From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 1 00:06:37 2003 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 15:06:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] nak remote control din cables In-Reply-To: <3F2977B2.F9BDD4FD@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <20030731220637.92757.qmail@web40402.mail.yahoo.com> The Bluetooth idea wouldn't be too far off, but, ... I used to work at Broadcom in a Bluetoth chip division that specialized in headsets (very low power and size). Our group had some really good software engineers that knew the Bluetooth protocol like the back of their hand. They could have pounded out the software in their sleep. My job was on the hardware side, building chip test boards, prototypes for customers and verification platforms so the ASIC design could be verified in a massive FPGA before comitting the design to silicon. A lot of fun, but, a lot of hours. We all got let go in a round of layoffs late last year. Oh well. The Bluetooth receiver to Nak would have been a piece of cake. The hard part would have been the Transmitter side. I have a phone with Bluetooth in it, but, haven't a clue how to write an app for the phone to do the controlling. I guess it would require a Symbian OS development package which probably about as much as three Dragon's in mint condition. :-) I've been tossing around the idea for a wireless remote for my Nak for a while. I haven't done much more than collected code examples for decoding IR remote bit streams. I have a project going right now for building a DC-coupled Class-A driver for my Stax Earspeakers. I have a PCB design all ready to go out for fab. The fab house charges a fixed NRE plus a per square inch charge. Rather than sending out the amplifier boards and power supply separately, and getting hit with the NRE twice, I'm going to make one large panel that includes two channels of amplifiers side by side plus a power supply board and I have a few square inches left over to make a complete rectangle. The Nak IR remote board would fit in that space nicely. The design I'm working on is actually a multipurpose design. Temp sensor, LEDs, switches, both character and graphical LCD outputs, serial port, IR receiver and 8 general purpose outputs. Not all at once however. Scott J. --- Wouter Heijke wrote: > Yeah, great idea, a DIY wireless remote project! > It would be great to have a 'cheap' DIY remote > reveiver for any Nak that's > compatible with regular remotes. > > Also for a more futuristic remote.. a Bluetooth > receiver inside a Nak would be > nice, to control it with your bluetooth enabled > phone or computer or ??? > > Wouter > > > Scott Johnson wrote: > > > Excellent picture Wouter. > > > > I know that pin 8 is +12V on the MR-1, BX-300 and > > other decks that use RM-580 remote and on the > RX-505 > > it's "Reverse". What is the function of pin 8 on > the > > Dragon? Is it also reverse? > > > > I want to make a wireless remote receiver so I can > use > > my MR-1 with a universal remote. I want to make > it > > compatible with my RX-505 too. While I'm at it I > > might as well make it compatible with the Dragon > in > > case I am able to find one cheap on eBay or > locally at > > a pawn shop or garage sale. :-) > > > > Scott J. > > > > --- Wouter Heijke wrote: > > > Here is one of the MR2 owners manual supplements > for > > > those who want to know the > > > pinlayout: > > > > > > > http://www.naks.com/new/MR2_remote_supplement.gif > > > > > > Wouter > > > > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > > > They're 8 pin DIN jacks and you can make diy > cable > > > with one to one > > > > connection. Slightly different jacks for > tuner > > > and CD connections though. > > > > > > > > Nice collection for 2 months time !!! What's > with > > > so many PA7s ? > > > > > > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Nelson > > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 7:57 PM > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] nak remote control din > > > cables > > > > > > > > Doug > > > > > > > > You ought to be able to find DIN plugs from > Radio > > > Shack. Otherwise, try > > > > Maplins - they definitely sell them. > > > > > > > > Gra' > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > > Dougdeck at aol.com > > > > Sent: 31 July 2003 04:22 > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: [naktalk] nak remote control din > cables > > > > > > > > hi all! i recall reading some where in the > > > naktalk archives about pin outs > > > > on nak cables. cant find it now! need to get > newly > > > aquired zx-7 hooked up > > > > to my ca-7a pre. has anyone been able to find > din > > > connectors for making > > > > cables? mcm? radio shack? my mb-1s hasent got > much > > > use in the last couple of > > > > weeks! almost forgot how good a high end deck > > > sounds! feel i got a real good > > > > deal on this one! 305.00 + shipping ebay. what > > > i've learned about buying off > > > > ebay= i try to buy all minty equipment. 1: ask > > > questions, 2: repeat number > > > > 1, 3: pictures speak a thousand words! ask the > > > seller to remove the door and > > > > take a pic of the transport! in the last 2 > months > > > i've aquired: 2 > > > > pa-7,bx-125,bx-2, mb-1s,ca-7a,zx-7, infinty > kappa > > > 8's. ca-7a and one of the > > > > pa-7 black beauties came from audiogon. i'm > very > > > well close to having my > > > > dream system of my younger days! been buying > > > cassette's like crazy, if you > > > > have a goodwill store in your area you may > luck > > > out like i did. 25 to 50 > > > > cents each. i bought 130 my first visit! well > > > enough jabber for now. if you > > > > can help me out with the pin outs on nak din's > > > thanks! > > > > doug deck > > > > st petersburg FL > > > > aka 1goodsalesman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Register your Nak today! > > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com > > > mailinglist > > > > Maintain your account here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! > > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site > design software > > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri Aug 1 00:46:27 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 00:46:27 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] nak remote control din cables References: <20030731220637.92757.qmail@web40402.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3F299C43.3B755D74@xs4all.nl> How interesting Scott! I also have a bluetooth phone and a good friend of me also, so we were doing some experiments with a pc bluetooth card. We managed to control winamp from the phone, and i've heared that mac integration is even better, then you can get playlists on your phone... But a nak control was in our mind and so now you say it should be possible! Well i hope it will some day... Great to hear you're making a remote control, will it be like the RM580 with an external control linked to the remote port? If your prototype is working maybe more members will be interested and could you take your board in 'production'!? If you supply a list of components with the board it is a matter of going to a local shop or order the parts online, or supply the componens as well! Hope you like the idea! Keep us informed please, at least i'm enthousiastic! BTW, a more challenging remote is the RM300 for 1000ZXL & 700ZXL with integrated counter and more controllable functions. Wouter Scott Johnson wrote: > The Bluetooth idea wouldn't be too far off, but, ... > > I used to work at Broadcom in a Bluetoth chip division > that specialized in headsets (very low power and > size). Our group had some really good software > engineers that knew the Bluetooth protocol like the > back of their hand. They could have pounded out the > software in their sleep. My job was on the hardware > side, building chip test boards, prototypes for > customers and verification platforms so the ASIC > design could be verified in a massive FPGA before > comitting the design to silicon. A lot of fun, but, a > lot of hours. We all got let go in a round of layoffs > late last year. Oh well. The Bluetooth receiver to > Nak would have been a piece of cake. The hard part > would have been the Transmitter side. I have a phone > with Bluetooth in it, but, haven't a clue how to write > an app for the phone to do the controlling. I guess > it would require a Symbian OS development package > which probably about as much as three Dragon's in mint > condition. :-) > > I've been tossing around the idea for a wireless > remote for my Nak for a while. I haven't done much > more than collected code examples for decoding IR > remote bit streams. > > I have a project going right now for building a > DC-coupled Class-A driver for my Stax Earspeakers. I > have a PCB design all ready to go out for fab. The > fab house charges a fixed NRE plus a per square inch > charge. Rather than sending out the amplifier boards > and power supply separately, and getting hit with the > NRE twice, I'm going to make one large panel that > includes two channels of amplifiers side by side plus > a power supply board and I have a few square inches > left over to make a complete rectangle. The Nak IR > remote board would fit in that space nicely. The > design I'm working on is actually a multipurpose > design. Temp sensor, LEDs, switches, both character > and graphical LCD outputs, serial port, IR receiver > and 8 general purpose outputs. Not all at once > however. > > Scott J. > > --- Wouter Heijke wrote: > > Yeah, great idea, a DIY wireless remote project! > > It would be great to have a 'cheap' DIY remote > > reveiver for any Nak that's > > compatible with regular remotes. > > > > Also for a more futuristic remote.. a Bluetooth > > receiver inside a Nak would be > > nice, to control it with your bluetooth enabled > > phone or computer or ??? > > > > Wouter > > > > > > Scott Johnson wrote: > > > > > Excellent picture Wouter. > > > > > > I know that pin 8 is +12V on the MR-1, BX-300 and > > > other decks that use RM-580 remote and on the > > RX-505 > > > it's "Reverse". What is the function of pin 8 on > > the > > > Dragon? Is it also reverse? > > > > > > I want to make a wireless remote receiver so I can > > use > > > my MR-1 with a universal remote. I want to make > > it > > > compatible with my RX-505 too. While I'm at it I > > > might as well make it compatible with the Dragon > > in > > > case I am able to find one cheap on eBay or > > locally at > > > a pawn shop or garage sale. :-) > > > > > > Scott J. > > > > > > --- Wouter Heijke wrote: > > > > Here is one of the MR2 owners manual supplements > > for > > > > those who want to know the > > > > pinlayout: > > > > > > > > > > http://www.naks.com/new/MR2_remote_supplement.gif > > > > > > > > Wouter > > > > > > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > > > > > They're 8 pin DIN jacks and you can make diy > > cable > > > > with one to one > > > > > connection. Slightly different jacks for > > tuner > > > > and CD connections though. > > > > > > > > > > Nice collection for 2 months time !!! What's > > with > > > > so many PA7s ? > > > > > > > > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: Nelson > > > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 7:57 PM > > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] nak remote control din > > > > cables > > > > > > > > > > Doug > > > > > > > > > > You ought to be able to find DIN plugs from > > Radio > > > > Shack. Otherwise, try > > > > > Maplins - they definitely sell them. > > > > > > > > > > Gra' > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > > > Dougdeck at aol.com > > > > > Sent: 31 July 2003 04:22 > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] nak remote control din > > cables > > > > > > > > > > hi all! i recall reading some where in the > > > > naktalk archives about pin outs > > > > > on nak cables. cant find it now! need to get > > newly > > > > aquired zx-7 hooked up > > > > > to my ca-7a pre. has anyone been able to find > > din > > > > connectors for making > > > > > cables? mcm? radio shack? my mb-1s hasent got > > much > > > > use in the last couple of > > > > > weeks! almost forgot how good a high end deck > > > > sounds! feel i got a real good > > > > > deal on this one! 305.00 + shipping ebay. what > > > > i've learned about buying off > > > > > ebay= i try to buy all minty equipment. 1: ask > > > > questions, 2: repeat number > > > > > 1, 3: pictures speak a thousand words! ask the > > > > seller to remove the door and > > > > > take a pic of the transport! in the last 2 > > months > > > > i've aquired: 2 > > > > > pa-7,bx-125,bx-2, mb-1s,ca-7a,zx-7, infinty > > kappa > > > > 8's. ca-7a and one of the > > > > > pa-7 black beauties came from audiogon. i'm > > very > > > > well close to having my > > > > > dream system of my younger days! been buying > > > > cassette's like crazy, if you > > > > > have a goodwill store in your area you may > > luck > > > > out like i did. 25 to 50 > > > > > cents each. i bought 130 my first visit! well > > > > enough jabber for now. if you > > > > > can help me out with the pin outs on nak din's > > > > thanks! > > > > > doug deck > > > > > st petersburg FL > > > > > aka 1goodsalesman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > Register your Nak today! > > > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > Naktalk at naks.com > > > > mailinglist > > > > > Maintain your account here: > > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Register your Nak today! > > > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com > > mailinglist > > > > Maintain your account here: > > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site > > design software > > > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com > > mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From cptarun at yahoo.co.in Fri Aug 1 05:33:41 2003 From: cptarun at yahoo.co.in (=?iso-8859-1?q?Chandra=20Tarun?=) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 04:33:41 +0100 (BST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Newbie question on orange caps In-Reply-To: <200307311753.h6VHr8Uw000386@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <20030801033341.77526.qmail@web8205.mail.in.yahoo.com> Nelson, What do you replace them with? And what is the type or construction of the orange caps? I mean, if I feel they are the cause of problems, I'd better know which type to avoid in my DIY projects, right? :) Thanks Tarun ________________________________________________________________________ Send free SMS using the Yahoo! Messenger. Go to http://in.mobile.yahoo.com/new/pc/ From cptarun at yahoo.co.in Fri Aug 1 05:45:10 2003 From: cptarun at yahoo.co.in (=?iso-8859-1?q?Chandra=20Tarun?=) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 04:45:10 +0100 (BST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak remote control din cables In-Reply-To: <200307312240.h6VMdmUw001628@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <20030801034510.76980.qmail@web8204.mail.in.yahoo.com> Dear Scott, Have you checked out www.rentron.com? I'd not embark on an IR remote project before carefully checking out what they've got to offer... many of the options are really interesting and easy to integrate into any planned project. Tarun ________________________________________________________________________ Send free SMS using the Yahoo! Messenger. Go to http://in.mobile.yahoo.com/new/pc/ From cptarun at yahoo.co.in Fri Aug 1 05:49:25 2003 From: cptarun at yahoo.co.in (=?iso-8859-1?q?Chandra=20Tarun?=) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 04:49:25 +0100 (BST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: newbie question about orange caps Message-ID: <20030801034925.94030.qmail@web8201.mail.in.yahoo.com> Dear Ti, Thanks for that link to support.naks.com. I didn't even know such a section existed. That page answers all my questions. Thanks and regards, Tarun ________________________________________________________________________ Send free SMS using the Yahoo! Messenger. Go to http://in.mobile.yahoo.com/new/pc/ From cptarun at yahoo.co.in Fri Aug 1 06:27:42 2003 From: cptarun at yahoo.co.in (=?iso-8859-1?q?Chandra=20Tarun?=) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 05:27:42 +0100 (BST) Subject: [naktalk] What's available under support.naks.com? Message-ID: <20030801042742.84903.qmail@web8207.mail.in.yahoo.com> Dear all, I just followed a link sent by Ti and found a lovely article on orange caps, under support.naks.com. But if I just go to http://support.naks.com/ I don't get any index page to tell me what else is available under it. Is there any index hidden away anywhere? Tarun ________________________________________________________________________ Send free SMS using the Yahoo! Messenger. Go to http://in.mobile.yahoo.com/new/pc/ From HerbChong at compuserve.com Fri Aug 1 06:00:07 2003 From: HerbChong at compuserve.com (Herb Chong) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 00:00:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] nak remote control din cables Message-ID: <200308010000_MC3-1-4562-EB82@compuserve.com> i have a Palm Tungsten T. it has built-in BlueTooth. a Palm development environment fully supporting BlueTooth costs about $400 US excluding the cost of the Palm. i have both. if you have a BlueTooth handheld device, you should be able to do it without too much work. i believe the Symbian runs PalmOS and that means i could, in theory, write a BlueTooth controller app for it without having a Symbian. Herb... From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 1 01:28:05 2003 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 16:28:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] nak remote control din cables In-Reply-To: <3F299C43.3B755D74@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <20030731232805.56172.qmail@web40414.mail.yahoo.com> Displaying playlist on the phone, now that's bitchen. How did you do the software on the phone side? What doesn't do you and your friend have? I have the Nokia 3650. I thought about making it flexible enough to control the older remote interface as well. I have a 480Z and I think I looked into it's remote jack a little bit. If I remember correctly you had to ground the pin and keep it grounded as long as you wanted that function, unlike the newer interface where you ground the pin momentarily and it latches that function. I have spare pins on the micro going to a DIP switch. My thought was to use the DIP switch to switch between the different interfaces as well as RX-505 mode, Dragon mode, whatever mode. There will probably be two types anyway. One that takes power from the deck (MR-1, MR-2, BX-300) and one that is externally powered because the +12V pin is used for another function like Reverse (ala RX-505). I guess I could diode or the powers so it can be powered off the deck or externally powered. The other cool idea is to have 110VAC relay so the power to the deck could be switched as well. This of course would require external power (via wall wart). --- Wouter Heijke wrote: > How interesting Scott! > I also have a bluetooth phone and a good friend of > me also, so we were doing > some experiments with a pc bluetooth card. > We managed to control winamp from the phone, and > i've heared that mac > integration is even better, then you can get > playlists on your phone... > But a nak control was in our mind and so now you say > it should be possible! > Well i hope it will some day... > > Great to hear you're making a remote control, will > it be like the RM580 with > an external control linked to the remote port? If > your prototype is working > maybe more members will be interested and could you > take your board in > 'production'!? > If you supply a list of components with the board it > is a matter of going to a > local shop or order the parts online, or supply the > componens as well! > Hope you like the idea! > > Keep us informed please, at least i'm enthousiastic! > > BTW, a more challenging remote is the RM300 for > 1000ZXL & 700ZXL with > integrated counter and more controllable functions. > > Wouter > > Scott Johnson wrote: > > > The Bluetooth idea wouldn't be too far off, but, > ... > > > > I used to work at Broadcom in a Bluetoth chip > division > > that specialized in headsets (very low power and > > size). Our group had some really good software > > engineers that knew the Bluetooth protocol like > the > > back of their hand. They could have pounded out > the > > software in their sleep. My job was on the > hardware > > side, building chip test boards, prototypes for > > customers and verification platforms so the ASIC > > design could be verified in a massive FPGA before > > comitting the design to silicon. A lot of fun, > but, a > > lot of hours. We all got let go in a round of > layoffs > > late last year. Oh well. The Bluetooth receiver > to > > Nak would have been a piece of cake. The hard > part > > would have been the Transmitter side. I have a > phone > > with Bluetooth in it, but, haven't a clue how to > write > > an app for the phone to do the controlling. I > guess > > it would require a Symbian OS development package > > which probably about as much as three Dragon's in > mint > > condition. :-) > > > > I've been tossing around the idea for a wireless > > remote for my Nak for a while. I haven't done > much > > more than collected code examples for decoding IR > > remote bit streams. > > > > I have a project going right now for building a > > DC-coupled Class-A driver for my Stax Earspeakers. > I > > have a PCB design all ready to go out for fab. > The > > fab house charges a fixed NRE plus a per square > inch > > charge. Rather than sending out the amplifier > boards > > and power supply separately, and getting hit with > the > > NRE twice, I'm going to make one large panel that > > includes two channels of amplifiers side by side > plus > > a power supply board and I have a few square > inches > > left over to make a complete rectangle. The Nak > IR > > remote board would fit in that space nicely. The > > design I'm working on is actually a multipurpose > > design. Temp sensor, LEDs, switches, both > character > > and graphical LCD outputs, serial port, IR > receiver > > and 8 general purpose outputs. Not all at once > > however. > > > > Scott J. > > > > --- Wouter Heijke wrote: > > > Yeah, great idea, a DIY wireless remote project! > > > It would be great to have a 'cheap' DIY remote > > > reveiver for any Nak that's > > > compatible with regular remotes. > > > > > > Also for a more futuristic remote.. a Bluetooth > > > receiver inside a Nak would be > > > nice, to control it with your bluetooth enabled > > > phone or computer or ??? > > > > > > Wouter > > > > > > > > > Scott Johnson wrote: > > > > > > > Excellent picture Wouter. > > > > > > > > I know that pin 8 is +12V on the MR-1, BX-300 > and > > > > other decks that use RM-580 remote and on the > > > RX-505 > > > > it's "Reverse". What is the function of pin 8 > on > > > the > > > > Dragon? Is it also reverse? > > > > > > > > I want to make a wireless remote receiver so I > can > > > use > > > > my MR-1 with a universal remote. I want to > make > > > it > > > > compatible with my RX-505 too. While I'm at > it I > > > > might as well make it compatible with the > Dragon > > > in > > > > case I am able to find one cheap on eBay or > > > locally at > > > > a pawn shop or garage sale. :-) > > > > > > > > Scott J. > > > > > > > > --- Wouter Heijke wrote: > > > > > Here is one of the MR2 owners manual > supplements > > > for > > > > > those who want to know the > > > > > pinlayout: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.naks.com/new/MR2_remote_supplement.gif > > > > > > > > > > Wouter > > > > > > > > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > They're 8 pin DIN jacks and you can make > diy > > > cable > > > > > with one to one > > > > > > connection. Slightly different jacks for > > > tuner > > > > > and CD connections though. > > > > > > > > > > > > Nice collection for 2 months time !!! > What's > > > with > > > > > so many PA7s ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: Nelson > > > > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 7:57 PM > > > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] nak remote control > din > > > > > cables > > > > > > > > > > > > Doug > > > > > > > > > > > > You ought to be able to find DIN plugs > from > > > Radio > > > > > Shack. Otherwise, try > > > > > > Maplins - they definitely sell them. > > > > > > > > > > > > Gra' > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > > > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf > Of > > > > > > Dougdeck at aol.com > === message truncated === __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Fri Aug 1 03:27:22 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 11:27:22 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] nak remote control din cables Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02202151@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Count me in too! -----Original Message----- From: Wouter Heijke [mailto:wheijke at xs4all.nl] Sent: Friday, 1 August 2003 8:46 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] nak remote control din cables How interesting Scott! I also have a bluetooth phone and a good friend of me also, so we were doing some experiments with a pc bluetooth card. We managed to control winamp from the phone, and i've heared that mac integration is even better, then you can get playlists on your phone... But a nak control was in our mind and so now you say it should be possible! Well i hope it will some day... Great to hear you're making a remote control, will it be like the RM580 with an external control linked to the remote port? If your prototype is working maybe more members will be interested and could you take your board in 'production'!? If you supply a list of components with the board it is a matter of going to a local shop or order the parts online, or supply the componens as well! Hope you like the idea! Keep us informed please, at least i'm enthousiastic! BTW, a more challenging remote is the RM300 for 1000ZXL & 700ZXL with integrated counter and more controllable functions. Wouter Scott Johnson wrote: > The Bluetooth idea wouldn't be too far off, but, ... > > I used to work at Broadcom in a Bluetoth chip division > that specialized in headsets (very low power and > size). Our group had some really good software > engineers that knew the Bluetooth protocol like the > back of their hand. They could have pounded out the > software in their sleep. My job was on the hardware > side, building chip test boards, prototypes for > customers and verification platforms so the ASIC > design could be verified in a massive FPGA before > comitting the design to silicon. A lot of fun, but, a > lot of hours. We all got let go in a round of layoffs > late last year. Oh well. The Bluetooth receiver to > Nak would have been a piece of cake. The hard part > would have been the Transmitter side. I have a phone > with Bluetooth in it, but, haven't a clue how to write > an app for the phone to do the controlling. I guess > it would require a Symbian OS development package > which probably about as much as three Dragon's in mint > condition. :-) > > I've been tossing around the idea for a wireless > remote for my Nak for a while. I haven't done much > more than collected code examples for decoding IR > remote bit streams. > > I have a project going right now for building a > DC-coupled Class-A driver for my Stax Earspeakers. I > have a PCB design all ready to go out for fab. The > fab house charges a fixed NRE plus a per square inch > charge. Rather than sending out the amplifier boards > and power supply separately, and getting hit with the > NRE twice, I'm going to make one large panel that > includes two channels of amplifiers side by side plus > a power supply board and I have a few square inches > left over to make a complete rectangle. The Nak IR > remote board would fit in that space nicely. The > design I'm working on is actually a multipurpose > design. Temp sensor, LEDs, switches, both character > and graphical LCD outputs, serial port, IR receiver > and 8 general purpose outputs. Not all at once > however. > > Scott J. > > --- Wouter Heijke wrote: > > Yeah, great idea, a DIY wireless remote project! > > It would be great to have a 'cheap' DIY remote > > reveiver for any Nak that's > > compatible with regular remotes. > > > > Also for a more futuristic remote.. a Bluetooth > > receiver inside a Nak would be > > nice, to control it with your bluetooth enabled > > phone or computer or ??? > > > > Wouter > > > > > > Scott Johnson wrote: > > > > > Excellent picture Wouter. > > > > > > I know that pin 8 is +12V on the MR-1, BX-300 and > > > other decks that use RM-580 remote and on the > > RX-505 > > > it's "Reverse". What is the function of pin 8 on > > the > > > Dragon? Is it also reverse? > > > > > > I want to make a wireless remote receiver so I can > > use > > > my MR-1 with a universal remote. I want to make > > it > > > compatible with my RX-505 too. While I'm at it I > > > might as well make it compatible with the Dragon > > in > > > case I am able to find one cheap on eBay or > > locally at > > > a pawn shop or garage sale. :-) > > > > > > Scott J. > > > > > > --- Wouter Heijke wrote: > > > > Here is one of the MR2 owners manual supplements > > for > > > > those who want to know the > > > > pinlayout: > > > > > > > > > > http://www.naks.com/new/MR2_remote_supplement.gif > > > > > > > > Wouter > > > > > > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > > > > > They're 8 pin DIN jacks and you can make diy > > cable > > > > with one to one > > > > > connection. Slightly different jacks for > > tuner > > > > and CD connections though. > > > > > > > > > > Nice collection for 2 months time !!! What's > > with > > > > so many PA7s ? > > > > > > > > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: Nelson > > > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 7:57 PM > > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] nak remote control din > > > > cables > > > > > > > > > > Doug > > > > > > > > > > You ought to be able to find DIN plugs from > > Radio > > > > Shack. Otherwise, try > > > > > Maplins - they definitely sell them. > > > > > > > > > > Gra' > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > > > Dougdeck at aol.com > > > > > Sent: 31 July 2003 04:22 > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] nak remote control din > > cables > > > > > > > > > > hi all! i recall reading some where in the > > > > naktalk archives about pin outs > > > > > on nak cables. cant find it now! need to get > > newly > > > > aquired zx-7 hooked up > > > > > to my ca-7a pre. has anyone been able to find > > din > > > > connectors for making > > > > > cables? mcm? radio shack? my mb-1s hasent got > > much > > > > use in the last couple of > > > > > weeks! almost forgot how good a high end deck > > > > sounds! feel i got a real good > > > > > deal on this one! 305.00 + shipping ebay. what > > > > i've learned about buying off > > > > > ebay= i try to buy all minty equipment. 1: ask > > > > questions, 2: repeat number > > > > > 1, 3: pictures speak a thousand words! ask the > > > > seller to remove the door and > > > > > take a pic of the transport! in the last 2 > > months > > > > i've aquired: 2 > > > > > pa-7,bx-125,bx-2, mb-1s,ca-7a,zx-7, infinty > > kappa > > > > 8's. ca-7a and one of the > > > > > pa-7 black beauties came from audiogon. i'm > > very > > > > well close to having my > > > > > dream system of my younger days! been buying > > > > cassette's like crazy, if you > > > > > have a goodwill store in your area you may > > luck > > > > out like i did. 25 to 50 > > > > > cents each. i bought 130 my first visit! well > > > > enough jabber for now. if you > > > > > can help me out with the pin outs on nak din's > > > > thanks! > > > > > doug deck > > > > > st petersburg FL > > > > > aka 1goodsalesman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > Register your Nak today! > > > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > Naktalk at naks.com > > > > mailinglist > > > > > Maintain your account here: > > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Register your Nak today! > > > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com > > mailinglist > > > > Maintain your account here: > > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site > > design software > > > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com > > mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri Aug 1 17:40:01 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 17:40:01 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] What's available under support.naks.com? References: <20030801042742.84903.qmail@web8207.mail.in.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3F2A89D1.4A7BE6F9@xs4all.nl> No nothing there anymore, only the orange caps article. Chandra Tarun wrote: > Dear all, > > I just followed a link sent by Ti and found a lovely > article on orange caps, under support.naks.com. But if > I just go to http://support.naks.com/ I don't get any > index page to tell me what else is available under it. > Is there any index hidden away anywhere? > > Tarun > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Send free SMS using the Yahoo! Messenger. Go to http://in.mobile.yahoo.com/new/pc/ > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 1 20:40:41 2003 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 11:40:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak remote control din cables In-Reply-To: <20030801034510.76980.qmail@web8204.mail.in.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20030801184041.70502.qmail@web40403.mail.yahoo.com> Their web site is interesting. They have a cute little chip for decoding the Sony IR codes, but, their choice of buttons to decode sucks. Number keys from 1-9, 0, channel up & down and volume up & down. Not what I want to use for controlling my tape deck. I see that they sell the source code so you can modify it. But $500 is a bit more than I want to spend. Don't get me wrong. They do have a lot of really neat chips, but, I WANT to do the programming myself. That way I can tailor everything to my likeing. Thanks for the link. I will take a look the next time I have a project in mind. Scott J. --- Chandra Tarun wrote: > Dear Scott, > > Have you checked out www.rentron.com? I'd not embark > on an IR remote project before carefully checking > out > what they've got to offer... many of the options are > really interesting and easy to integrate into any > planned project. > > Tarun > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Send free SMS using the Yahoo! Messenger. Go to > http://in.mobile.yahoo.com/new/pc/ > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Aug 1 20:15:52 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 14:15:52 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Newbie question on orange caps References: <20030801033341.77526.qmail@web8205.mail.in.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3F2AAE58.C22D30C2@rcn.com> Chandra Tarun wrote: > > Nelson, > > What do you replace them with? And what is the type or > construction of the orange caps? I mean, if I feel > they are the cause of problems, I'd better know which > type to avoid in my DIY projects, right? :) > > Thanks > Tarun Not really... These are film capacitors -- the best kind to use for coupling and bypass. The problem is not the capacitors types, but their quality. As a matter of fact, they should be replaced with film capacitors of the same capacity and at least the same voltage rating. -- Ron From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Aug 1 21:30:54 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 15:30:54 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] nak remote control din cables References: <20030731192135.64041.qmail@web40403.mail.yahoo.com> <3F2977B2.F9BDD4FD@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <3F2ABFEE.E3D198DE@rcn.com> There are DIY remote control systems on the market, consisting of a transmitter (usually, ready built) and a receiver (usually, a kit). The one I saw cost $60 for a bare 8 channel system; figure about $100 total, including a box for the receiver, cables, connectors and shipping. I became interested in such a project some time ago and offered to build one for anyone who wanted to add a remote control to their deck. There was no interest... -- Ron Wouter Heijke wrote: > > Yeah, great idea, a DIY wireless remote project! > It would be great to have a 'cheap' DIY remote reveiver for any Nak that's > compatible with regular remotes. > > Also for a more futuristic remote.. a Bluetooth receiver inside a Nak would be > nice, to control it with your bluetooth enabled phone or computer or ??? > > Wouter > > Scott Johnson wrote: > > > Excellent picture Wouter. > > > > I know that pin 8 is +12V on the MR-1, BX-300 and > > other decks that use RM-580 remote and on the RX-505 > > it's "Reverse". What is the function of pin 8 on the > > Dragon? Is it also reverse? > > > > I want to make a wireless remote receiver so I can use > > my MR-1 with a universal remote. I want to make it > > compatible with my RX-505 too. While I'm at it I > > might as well make it compatible with the Dragon in > > case I am able to find one cheap on eBay or locally at > > a pawn shop or garage sale. :-) > > > > Scott J. > > > > --- Wouter Heijke wrote: > > > Here is one of the MR2 owners manual supplements for > > > those who want to know the > > > pinlayout: > > > > > > http://www.naks.com/new/MR2_remote_supplement.gif > > > > > > Wouter > > > > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > > > They're 8 pin DIN jacks and you can make diy cable > > > with one to one > > > > connection. Slightly different jacks for tuner > > > and CD connections though. > > > > > > > > Nice collection for 2 months time !!! What's with > > > so many PA7s ? > > > > > > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Nelson > > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 7:57 PM > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] nak remote control din > > > cables > > > > > > > > Doug > > > > > > > > You ought to be able to find DIN plugs from Radio > > > Shack. Otherwise, try > > > > Maplins - they definitely sell them. > > > > > > > > Gra' > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > > Dougdeck at aol.com > > > > Sent: 31 July 2003 04:22 > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: [naktalk] nak remote control din cables > > > > > > > > hi all! i recall reading some where in the > > > naktalk archives about pin outs > > > > on nak cables. cant find it now! need to get newly > > > aquired zx-7 hooked up > > > > to my ca-7a pre. has anyone been able to find din > > > connectors for making > > > > cables? mcm? radio shack? my mb-1s hasent got much > > > use in the last couple of > > > > weeks! almost forgot how good a high end deck > > > sounds! feel i got a real good > > > > deal on this one! 305.00 + shipping ebay. what > > > i've learned about buying off > > > > ebay= i try to buy all minty equipment. 1: ask > > > questions, 2: repeat number > > > > 1, 3: pictures speak a thousand words! ask the > > > seller to remove the door and > > > > take a pic of the transport! in the last 2 months > > > i've aquired: 2 > > > > pa-7,bx-125,bx-2, mb-1s,ca-7a,zx-7, infinty kappa > > > 8's. ca-7a and one of the > > > > pa-7 black beauties came from audiogon. i'm very > > > well close to having my > > > > dream system of my younger days! been buying > > > cassette's like crazy, if you > > > > have a goodwill store in your area you may luck > > > out like i did. 25 to 50 > > > > cents each. i bought 130 my first visit! well > > > enough jabber for now. if you > > > > can help me out with the pin outs on nak din's > > > thanks! > > > > doug deck > > > > st petersburg FL > > > > aka 1goodsalesman > > > > From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Aug 1 17:20:03 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 22:20:03 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Amplifiers 410, 420 ... 610 References: <3F264CBE.9030703@web.de> <03b501c355c3$a4791c10$0e3442cf@steve> <001b01c355cd$3a40fca0$50299bca@smarzuki> <040001c355d6$33bbe4e0$0e3442cf@steve> Message-ID: <002201c3584d$96985e80$9e299bca@smarzuki> Hi Stephen, Thanks for the transformer info. I understand that you particularly dislike CA7's active (?) feedback, but what about the phono section by itself ... any better than previous Nak preamp ? Finally what do you think about 610, does it sound as good as the 410 ? Appreciate your comment on 610's overall quality and also phono amp. Thanks in advance, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Sank To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Amplifiers 410, 420 No, the CA-7 transformer is a purely custom affair with two or three secondaries. Not something you'll find OEM, I'm afraid. Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer Talking Dog Transducer Company http://stephensank.com 5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] 505-332-0336 Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer Payments preferred through Paypal.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 6:15 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Amplifiers 410, 420 > > Hi Stephen, > > Would that potted toroidal works with CA7A as well ? I plan to upgrade > (downgrade ?) my 110V model to accept 220V. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Stephen Sank > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 6:22 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Amplifiers 410, 420 > > > Go to http://www.digikey.com & order stock #TE70062-ND. It is a potted > torroidal, 115/230VAC primaries, and is every bit as good as the original. > It will just require a bit of intelligence to adapt the mounting hardware > configuration. The cost is only $18.23usd, so the bulk of cost may be the > overseas shipping. > I own a 410 preamp myself, which I've done some minor upgrades upon. It's a > great little preamp. Far better sound than the CA-7 & CA-5II, and every bit > as good as the CA-5, if not better. The 430 tuner is a great piece as well. > The 420 amp I am not too crazy about, but it is quite respectable. And > looks cool. > NAD, as far as I know, stands for "Nearly Always Detonates". For God's From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 1 22:50:11 2003 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 13:50:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] nak remote control din cables In-Reply-To: <3F2ABFEE.E3D198DE@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20030801205011.42078.qmail@web40414.mail.yahoo.com> There must be some interest out there (Maybe not on Naktalk). Why are people paying outrageous amounts for RM-580's on eBay? $100 isn't bad, but, I'm shooting for a price point around $35-45 and the remote can be any universal remote. Scott J. --- Ron wrote: > > There are DIY remote control systems on the market, > consisting > of a transmitter (usually, ready built) and a > receiver (usually, > a kit). The one I saw cost $60 for a bare 8 channel > system; > figure about $100 total, including a box for the > receiver, > cables, connectors and shipping. > > I became interested in such a project some time ago > and offered > to build one for anyone who wanted to add a remote > control to > their deck. There was no interest... > > -- Ron > > > Wouter Heijke wrote: > > > > Yeah, great idea, a DIY wireless remote project! > > It would be great to have a 'cheap' DIY remote > reveiver for any Nak that's > > compatible with regular remotes. > > > > Also for a more futuristic remote.. a Bluetooth > receiver inside a Nak would be > > nice, to control it with your bluetooth enabled > phone or computer or ??? > > > > Wouter > > > > Scott Johnson wrote: > > > > > Excellent picture Wouter. > > > > > > I know that pin 8 is +12V on the MR-1, BX-300 > and > > > other decks that use RM-580 remote and on the > RX-505 > > > it's "Reverse". What is the function of pin 8 > on the > > > Dragon? Is it also reverse? > > > > > > I want to make a wireless remote receiver so I > can use > > > my MR-1 with a universal remote. I want to make > it > > > compatible with my RX-505 too. While I'm at it > I > > > might as well make it compatible with the Dragon > in > > > case I am able to find one cheap on eBay or > locally at > > > a pawn shop or garage sale. :-) > > > > > > Scott J. > > > > > > --- Wouter Heijke wrote: > > > > Here is one of the MR2 owners manual > supplements for > > > > those who want to know the > > > > pinlayout: > > > > > > > > > http://www.naks.com/new/MR2_remote_supplement.gif > > > > > > > > Wouter > > > > > > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > > > > > They're 8 pin DIN jacks and you can make diy > cable > > > > with one to one > > > > > connection. Slightly different jacks for > tuner > > > > and CD connections though. > > > > > > > > > > Nice collection for 2 months time !!! > What's with > > > > so many PA7s ? > > > > > > > > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: Nelson > > > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 7:57 PM > > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] nak remote control > din > > > > cables > > > > > > > > > > Doug > > > > > > > > > > You ought to be able to find DIN plugs from > Radio > > > > Shack. Otherwise, try > > > > > Maplins - they definitely sell them. > > > > > > > > > > Gra' > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > > > Dougdeck at aol.com > > > > > Sent: 31 July 2003 04:22 > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] nak remote control din > cables > > > > > > > > > > hi all! i recall reading some where in the > > > > naktalk archives about pin outs > > > > > on nak cables. cant find it now! need to get > newly > > > > aquired zx-7 hooked up > > > > > to my ca-7a pre. has anyone been able to > find din > > > > connectors for making > > > > > cables? mcm? radio shack? my mb-1s hasent > got much > > > > use in the last couple of > > > > > weeks! almost forgot how good a high end > deck > > > > sounds! feel i got a real good > > > > > deal on this one! 305.00 + shipping ebay. > what > > > > i've learned about buying off > > > > > ebay= i try to buy all minty equipment. 1: > ask > > > > questions, 2: repeat number > > > > > 1, 3: pictures speak a thousand words! ask > the > > > > seller to remove the door and > > > > > take a pic of the transport! in the last 2 > months > > > > i've aquired: 2 > > > > > pa-7,bx-125,bx-2, mb-1s,ca-7a,zx-7, infinty > kappa > > > > 8's. ca-7a and one of the > > > > > pa-7 black beauties came from audiogon. i'm > very > > > > well close to having my > > > > > dream system of my younger days! been buying > > > > cassette's like crazy, if you > > > > > have a goodwill store in your area you may > luck > > > > out like i did. 25 to 50 > > > > > cents each. i bought 130 my first visit! > well > > > > enough jabber for now. if you > > > > > can help me out with the pin outs on nak > din's > > > > thanks! > > > > > doug deck > > > > > st petersburg FL > > > > > aka 1goodsalesman > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From mcook17 at bellsouth.net Sat Aug 2 03:02:53 2003 From: mcook17 at bellsouth.net (Michael R. Cook) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 21:02:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Left dB meter on 480 broke References: <010d01c35575$1ad04fe0$6401a8c0@sdf.bellsouth.net><03ee01c355d4$e6f72490$0e3442cf@steve><001001c356e2$0ea38160$6401a8c0@sdf.bellsouth.net> <055c01c356e8$87fc0db0$0e3442cf@steve> Message-ID: <001501c35891$cd77f980$6401a8c0@sdf.bellsouth.net> Hello everyone. This is a fantastic resource! I am attempting to restore my 480 and one problem to fix is the left dB meter. It doesn't respond to the playback or record signal, although the right meter works fine. I get both channels fine on output, but the left meter will register a constant -40 dB and thats all. Does anyone have any ideas? Thanks. Mike From rjkent at comcast.net Sat Aug 2 09:04:49 2003 From: rjkent at comcast.net (Robert Kent) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 00:04:49 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Wired Remotes Message-ID: <000801c358c4$5e081c50$ed06e90c@B8142DE8> Wouter, The diagram for the pin assignments for the MR-2 control output is very interesting. I was looking at some of the remote control parts at the Reynolds Electronics website ( http://www.rentron.com/ - thanks to the Naker who offered that link!), and found some seemingly simple components that might be used to create a remote IR receiver that will work with a universal remote transmitter and could be wired to send out appropriate toggle signals through a DIN jack. Of course, you would have to know the pin assignments for your particular deck. Does anyone have pin assignments or diagrams for any of the wired remotes....ie: RM-5, RM-15, RM-20, RM-200 ? Here are the links to the parts that look promising. Any of you electron wizards who care to criticize......please feel free. I'm certainly not that knowledgable, and I have no idea if the signal voltage, amperage, and duration coming off of the IC would even be compatible with the decks. http://www.rentron.com/remote_control/IR-D14.htm http://www.rentron.com/remote_control/PNA4602M.htm#1140 They don't have nice little mounting kits or housings, but Radio Shack or another parts store should have something suitable. I also went through Radio Shack's website listing of plugs and jacks and did not find the 8 pin DIN listed. Ron was on to a similar project several months ago, and was offering to make them to order....are you out there Ron? Any comments? Robert Kent -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Aug 2 15:31:33 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 09:31:33 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Wired Remotes References: <000801c358c4$5e081c50$ed06e90c@B8142DE8> Message-ID: <3F2BBD35.48E8A8C5@rcn.com> > Robert Kent wrote: > > Wouter, > > The diagram for the pin assignments for the MR-2 control output is very > interesting. I was looking at some of the remote control parts at the > Reynolds Electronics website ( http://www.rentron.com/ - thanks to the > Naker who offered that link!), and found some seemingly simple components > that might be used to create a remote IR receiver that will work with a > universal remote transmitter and could be wired to send out appropriate > toggle signals through a DIN jack. Of course, you would have to know the > pin assignments for your particular deck. Does anyone have pin assignments > or diagrams for any of the wired remotes....ie: RM-5, RM-15, RM-20, RM-200 > ? > > Here are the links to the parts that look promising. Any of you electron > wizards who care to criticize......please feel free. I'm certainly not that > knowledgable, and I have no idea if the signal voltage, amperage, and > duration coming off of the IC would even be compatible with the decks. > > http://www.rentron.com/remote_control/IR-D14.htm > http://www.rentron.com/remote_control/PNA4602M.htm#1140 > > They don't have nice little mounting kits or housings, but Radio Shack or > another parts store should have something suitable. I also went through > Radio Shack's website listing of plugs and jacks and did not find the 8 pin > DIN listed. > > Ron was on to a similar project several months ago, and was offering to make > them to order....are you out there Ron? Any comments? > > Robert Kent > Robert, The parts you selected are two of the basic building blocks for the remote system. You need more to put it together. It's like saying, "I found an engine and a steering wheel, I will now build a car". You have already identified the need for a receiver box. You also need some sort of a substrate (like a PCB) to build it on. You also need to design it, so that all components match: signal levels, code compatibility, IR frequency, etc. Even if you intend to use a universal transmitter, you need to figure out how to put the correct codes for your receiver into it. This implies a dedicated transmitter (or that your choice of a receiver decoder IC understands codes emitted by a transmitter you already own). All these issues have to be solved before construction begins. For a quantity one (or even if you intend to build 2, 5 or 10), the work involved is not justified. My solution is to purchase a kit of parts (including a PCB) of a completed design, where all the details of signal generation, transmission, reception and decoding have already been taken care of. This leaves you with the comparatively simple task of designing the interface, packaging the receiver and interconnecting. I would say you need at least 6 channels (Play, Stop, Pause, FF, REW, REC). For the CR-7, add Azimuth up and down -- for 8 channels total. You may wish to add two more channels for On/Off, though this presents a few problems (it's difficult to integrate remote power with the decks On/Off switch). For RX series decks, figure on an additional channel for the reverse function. If you do an internet search for remote control kits, you should be able to come up with several suitable ones. Velleman makes at least one that should work, though it's an expensive overkill -- you do not need its 15 channels. I remember seeing 8 channel kits for around $60, that included the receiver PCB with all components plus the hand held transmitter. I think this would be an interesting, fun project. I wish you luck, -- Ron From rtl at noctrl.edu Sat Aug 2 18:31:15 2003 From: rtl at noctrl.edu (Robert Lehe) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 11:31:15 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [naktalk] 480 tansport problem Message-ID: <1190.172.149.90.74.1059841875.squirrel@www.noctrl.edu> I just bought a 480 at a garage sale for $2. There was a note on it that said, "needs work" and indeed that is the case. All the motors seem to work, fast forward and rewind work. But when you hit "play" the capstan turns, but the heads and pinch roller do not move, and the reel spindles do nnot turn. The head assembly will move up with a manual push, but it is very rough noisy. And the pinch roller does not move. Is this a big job to fix? Is it a matter of cleanin things up, or is major surgery required? As the deck does not have Dolby C, I do not want to sink much money into it, but if it is DIY-feasible, I might try to fix it--with some guidence. Any advice would be appreciate. Tad From slms100 at compuserve.com Sat Aug 2 10:35:18 2003 From: slms100 at compuserve.com (Sven L.M. Schroeder) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 09:35:18 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Software for making tape covers / playlists ? Message-ID: Hi everyone! Been avidly reading this excellent list for a few months now - I have learned a lot from you folks! Time now to make my first posting... I was wondering whether members had any recommendation for (free or commercial) software to make covers for tapes? I am mainly interested in putting the playlists on the wrappers. After a break of 15 years I have only started getting back into tapes, so I might have missed something obvious. I guess there might have been a previous discussion of this on the list...? Best regards, Sven -- Sven L.M. 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Version: 6.0.505 / Virus Database: 302 - Release Date: 30/07/2003 From stephen.sternthal at verizon.net Sat Aug 2 18:03:05 2003 From: stephen.sternthal at verizon.net (Stephen Sternthal) Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 12:03:05 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] nother newbie Message-ID: <3F2BE0B9.7040401@verizon.net> i have 2 naks a 700II i've owned since 1980 with capstan speed problems and a 580m i got off ebay i need service manual for the 580 and info on speed problem on the 700 i went through speed control board Cpl. yr. ago on the 700 it checked good any help would be appreciated Steve From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sat Aug 2 20:24:49 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 20:24:49 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 480 tansport problem References: <1190.172.149.90.74.1059841875.squirrel@www.noctrl.edu> Message-ID: <3F2C01F0.1F6FD814@xs4all.nl> Hi Robert, Sounds like my 'expensive' $17 480 i bought recently and had the same transport problems... If you press play you can try to help the 'cam' inside to move by moving it with your finger. My 480 suffered from hardened grease in the shaft of the pinch roller assembly, so basically the grease made the pinchrollers stay in their position, no heads go up, or play starts... Open the cover, take away the front and look what happens and try to help the mentioned parts by gently pressing, that's what i do to track the problem... Wouter Robert Lehe wrote: > I just bought a 480 at a garage sale for $2. There was a note on it that > said, "needs work" and indeed that is the case. All the motors seem to > work, fast forward and rewind work. But when you hit "play" the capstan > turns, but the heads and pinch roller do not move, and the reel spindles > do nnot turn. The head assembly will move up with a manual push, but it > is very rough noisy. And the pinch roller does not move. Is this a big > job to fix? Is it a matter of cleanin things up, or is major surgery > required? As the deck does not have Dolby C, I do not want to sink much > money into it, but if it is DIY-feasible, I might try to fix it--with > some guidence. Any advice would be appreciate. > > Tad > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kjbleus at charter.net Sun Aug 3 04:02:16 2003 From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 21:02:16 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Blast from the Past.... Message-ID: <000801c35963$43f1cba0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6> Wouter, I'm browsing through the NakTalk archives, really enjoying the email threads from past years. Here's a blast from the past, a couple years ago, very entertaining (esp the reply from Carlos (the Tape Man). The archives are brilliant!!! Best regards, Bleus de Nakker Madison, Wisc USA kjbleus at charter.net [naktalk] 1000ZXL is Awesome..... Carlos copytec at xxxxx.net Tue Feb 15 21:36:27 CET 2000 a.. Previous message: [naktalk] 1000ZXL is Awesome..... b.. Next message: [naktalk] 1000ZXL is Awesome..... c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jeff, I'm also a proud owner of a 1000ZXL. For those who wants a "gold" plate with your name on it without paying $4,000 for a deck (crazy thing), just do what I did: Go to a trophy center and ask for nameplate with your name . It would cost you $5.00 and paste it on your deck. No matter if it is a 1000 ZXL or a 480! Everyone can have his/her name on the deck, turntable, amps, etc ... Ha, ha ,Ha ! Not 24 karat gold available? So what? Who the hell cares, after all, it's your name what counts ... The Tape Man ----- Original Message ----- From: chua jeffrey To: Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 6:29 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL is Awesome..... > Hi > > I am a lucky one to own a 1000ZXL. But the set now requires servicing to > bring it to operating condition. I could not recall or find my personal name engraved anywhere on the machine. > > Jeffrey > > > >From: "The BlueSwapper" > >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > >To: naktalk at naks.com, aguyes at roanoke.infi.net > >CC: blueswapper at angelfire.com > >Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL is Awesome..... > >Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 18:19:54 -0800 > > > >Alan! Thanks much for sharing your info on the Nak 1000ZXL LTD Deck, > >that's a gosh-awful handsome piece of gear!!! I'm curious, Mr Nakamichi > >himself writes in the literature that each deck has its owner's name hand > >engraved onto the surface of the component. Where might the engraving be > >placed on a deck? Does anyone among us have such a glorious component in > >their possession currently?? Would a 1000ZXL LTD benefit from custom > >hardwiring??? > > > >Mr Blues > > > >~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > >Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > >http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > > > >~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > > >Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 18:54:50 -0500 > >From: "Alan Guyes" > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] LTD brochure link > > > >Wouter - > > > >Thanks for the mention. If you would like to add a copy of this lit to > >your Nak ftp site, please let me know. I have a zipped copy sitting on my > >computer. It's pretty large - about 10mb and was scanned as a .tiff > > > > Alan Guyes > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Wouter Heijke" > >To: > >Subject: [naktalk] LTD brochure link > > > > > Check out this interesting link found on a 1000ZXL LTD brochure sale on > > > ebay.. > > > > > > http://members.aol.com/alanguyes/1000ZXL.htm > > > > > > Wouter > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From josephj69 at juno.com Sun Aug 3 05:21:28 2003 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 23:21:28 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Blast from the Past.... Message-ID: <20030802.235809.-254729.2.josephj69@juno.com> Archives?!?! Where are they and how can I access them??? - Joe On Sat, 2 Aug 2003 21:02:16 -0500 "KJ Bleus" writes: Wouter, I'm browsing through the NakTalk archives, really enjoying the email threads from past years. Here's a blast from the past, a couple years ago, very entertaining (esp the reply from Carlos (the Tape Man). The archives are brilliant!!! Best regards, Bleus de Nakker Madison, Wisc USA kjbleus at charter.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sun Aug 3 10:34:11 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 10:34:11 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Blast from the Past.... References: <000801c35963$43f1cba0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6> Message-ID: <3F2CC903.329F2354@xs4all.nl> Hey Bleus, Yes it's fun, i put care on making them all available, it was also a reason to upgrade to the new software it provides this 'archive' option by default. Wouter > KJ Bleus wrote: > > Wouter, > > I'm browsing through the NakTalk archives, really enjoying the email threads from past years. Here's a blast from the past, a couple years ago, very entertaining (esp the reply from Carlos (the Tape Man). The archives are brilliant!!! > > Best regards, > > Bleus de Nakker > Madison, Wisc USA > kjbleus at charter.net > > > > [naktalk] 1000ZXL is Awesome..... > > Carlos copytec at xxxxx.net > Tue Feb 15 21:36:27 CET 2000 > > * Previous message: [naktalk] 1000ZXL is Awesome..... > * Next message: [naktalk] 1000ZXL is Awesome..... > * Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Jeff, I'm also a proud owner of a 1000ZXL. For those who wants a "gold" > plate with your name on it without paying $4,000 for a deck (crazy thing), > just do what I did: Go to a trophy center and ask for nameplate with your name . > It would cost you $5.00 and paste it on your deck. No matter if it is a 1000 > ZXL or a 480! Everyone can have his/her name on the deck, turntable, amps, > etc ... Ha, ha ,Ha ! Not 24 karat gold available? So what? Who the hell > cares, after all, it's your name what counts ... > > The Tape Man > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: chua jeffrey > To: > Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 6:29 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL is Awesome..... > > > Hi > > > > I am a lucky one to own a 1000ZXL. But the set now requires servicing to > > bring it to operating condition. I could not recall or find my personal > name engraved anywhere on the machine. > > > > Jeffrey > > > > > > >From: "The BlueSwapper" > > >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > > >To: naktalk at naks.com, aguyes at roanoke.infi.net > > >CC: blueswapper at angelfire.com > > >Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL is Awesome..... > > >Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 18:19:54 -0800 > > > > > >Alan! Thanks much for sharing your info on the Nak 1000ZXL LTD Deck, > > >that's a gosh-awful handsome piece of gear!!! I'm curious, Mr Nakamichi > > >himself writes in the literature that each deck has its owner's name hand > > >engraved onto the surface of the component. Where might the engraving be > > >placed on a deck? Does anyone among us have such a glorious component in > > >their possession currently?? Would a 1000ZXL LTD benefit from custom > > >hardwiring??? > > > > > >Mr Blues > > > > > >~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > >Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > > >http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > > > > > >~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > > > > >Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 18:54:50 -0500 > > >From: "Alan Guyes" > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] LTD brochure link > > > > > >Wouter - > > > > > >Thanks for the mention. If you would like to add a copy of this lit to > > >your Nak ftp site, please let me know. I have a zipped copy sitting on my > > >computer. It's pretty large - about 10mb and was scanned as a .tiff > > > > > > Alan Guyes > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Wouter Heijke" > > >To: > > >Subject: [naktalk] LTD brochure link > > > > > > > Check out this interesting link found on a 1000ZXL LTD brochure sale > on > > > > ebay.. > > > > > > > > http://members.aol.com/alanguyes/1000ZXL.htm > > > > > > > > Wouter > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Aug 3 15:29:12 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 09:29:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Blast from the Past.... References: <000801c35963$43f1cba0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6> <3F2CC903.329F2354@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <3F2D0E28.4DB110D1@rcn.com> Speaking of the new naks.com, what happened to the price section? The original price disappeared first, and now the whole section is gone. -- Ron Wouter Heijke wrote: > > Hey Bleus, > > Yes it's fun, i put care on making them all available, it was also a reason to upgrade to the new software it provides this 'archive' option by default. > > Wouter > > > KJ Bleus wrote: > > > > Wouter, > > > > I'm browsing through the NakTalk archives, really enjoying the email threads from past years. Here's a blast from the past, a couple years ago, very entertaining (esp the reply from Carlos (the Tape Man). The archives are brilliant!!! > > > > Best regards, > > > > Bleus de Nakker > > Madison, Wisc USA > > kjbleus at charter.net > > > > > > > > [naktalk] 1000ZXL is Awesome..... > > > > Carlos copytec at xxxxx.net > > Tue Feb 15 21:36:27 CET 2000 > > > > * Previous message: [naktalk] 1000ZXL is Awesome..... > > * Next message: [naktalk] 1000ZXL is Awesome..... > > * Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Jeff, I'm also a proud owner of a 1000ZXL. For those who wants a "gold" > > plate with your name on it without paying $4,000 for a deck (crazy thing), > > just do what I did: Go to a trophy center and ask for nameplate with your name . > > It would cost you $5.00 and paste it on your deck. No matter if it is a 1000 > > ZXL or a 480! Everyone can have his/her name on the deck, turntable, amps, > > etc ... Ha, ha ,Ha ! Not 24 karat gold available? So what? Who the hell > > cares, after all, it's your name what counts ... > > > > The Tape Man > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: chua jeffrey > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 6:29 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL is Awesome..... > > > > > Hi > > > > > > I am a lucky one to own a 1000ZXL. But the set now requires servicing to > > > bring it to operating condition. I could not recall or find my personal > > name engraved anywhere on the machine. > > > > > > Jeffrey > > > > > > > > > >From: "The BlueSwapper" > > > >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > > > >To: naktalk at naks.com, aguyes at roanoke.infi.net > > > >CC: blueswapper at angelfire.com > > > >Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL is Awesome..... > > > >Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 18:19:54 -0800 > > > > > > > >Alan! Thanks much for sharing your info on the Nak 1000ZXL LTD Deck, > > > >that's a gosh-awful handsome piece of gear!!! I'm curious, Mr Nakamichi > > > >himself writes in the literature that each deck has its owner's name hand > > > >engraved onto the surface of the component. Where might the engraving be > > > >placed on a deck? Does anyone among us have such a glorious component in > > > >their possession currently?? Would a 1000ZXL LTD benefit from custom > > > >hardwiring??? > > > > > > > >Mr Blues > > > > > > > >~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > > >Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > > > >http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > > > > > > > >~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > > > > > > >Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 18:54:50 -0500 > > > >From: "Alan Guyes" > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] LTD brochure link > > > > > > > >Wouter - > > > > > > > >Thanks for the mention. If you would like to add a copy of this lit to > > > >your Nak ftp site, please let me know. I have a zipped copy sitting on my > > > >computer. It's pretty large - about 10mb and was scanned as a .tiff > > > > > > > > Alan Guyes > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "Wouter Heijke" > > > >To: > > > >Subject: [naktalk] LTD brochure link > > > > > > > > > Check out this interesting link found on a 1000ZXL LTD brochure sale > > on > > > > > ebay.. > > > > > > > > > > http://members.aol.com/alanguyes/1000ZXL.htm > > > > > > > > > > Wouter > > > > > From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sun Aug 3 16:19:04 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 16:19:04 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Blast from the Past.... References: <000801c35963$43f1cba0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6> <3F2CC903.329F2354@xs4all.nl> <3F2D0E28.4DB110D1@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3F2D19D8.67CC6C03@xs4all.nl> I've removed it after comments and questions.... For some models it listed prices based on only a few auctions, that was the main critisism i've received. So until there is something better we have to do without i'm afraid.... BUT, if you can't live without them: http://www.naks.com/removed_prices Wouter Ron wrote: > Speaking of the new naks.com, what happened to the price section? The > original price disappeared first, and now the whole section is gone. > > -- Ron > > Wouter Heijke wrote: > > > > Hey Bleus, > > > > Yes it's fun, i put care on making them all available, it was also a reason to upgrade to the new software it provides this 'archive' option by default. > > > > Wouter > > > > > KJ Bleus wrote: > > > > > > Wouter, > > > > > > I'm browsing through the NakTalk archives, really enjoying the email threads from past years. Here's a blast from the past, a couple years ago, very entertaining (esp the reply from Carlos (the Tape Man). The archives are brilliant!!! > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Bleus de Nakker > > > Madison, Wisc USA > > > kjbleus at charter.net > > > > > > > > > > > > [naktalk] 1000ZXL is Awesome..... > > > > > > Carlos copytec at xxxxx.net > > > Tue Feb 15 21:36:27 CET 2000 > > > > > > * Previous message: [naktalk] 1000ZXL is Awesome..... > > > * Next message: [naktalk] 1000ZXL is Awesome..... > > > * Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > Jeff, I'm also a proud owner of a 1000ZXL. For those who wants a "gold" > > > plate with your name on it without paying $4,000 for a deck (crazy thing), > > > just do what I did: Go to a trophy center and ask for nameplate with your name . > > > It would cost you $5.00 and paste it on your deck. No matter if it is a 1000 > > > ZXL or a 480! Everyone can have his/her name on the deck, turntable, amps, > > > etc ... Ha, ha ,Ha ! Not 24 karat gold available? So what? Who the hell > > > cares, after all, it's your name what counts ... > > > > > > The Tape Man > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: chua jeffrey > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 6:29 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL is Awesome..... > > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > I am a lucky one to own a 1000ZXL. But the set now requires servicing to > > > > bring it to operating condition. I could not recall or find my personal > > > name engraved anywhere on the machine. > > > > > > > > Jeffrey > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "The BlueSwapper" > > > > >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > >To: naktalk at naks.com, aguyes at roanoke.infi.net > > > > >CC: blueswapper at angelfire.com > > > > >Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL is Awesome..... > > > > >Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 18:19:54 -0800 > > > > > > > > > >Alan! Thanks much for sharing your info on the Nak 1000ZXL LTD Deck, > > > > >that's a gosh-awful handsome piece of gear!!! I'm curious, Mr Nakamichi > > > > >himself writes in the literature that each deck has its owner's name hand > > > > >engraved onto the surface of the component. Where might the engraving be > > > > >placed on a deck? Does anyone among us have such a glorious component in > > > > >their possession currently?? Would a 1000ZXL LTD benefit from custom > > > > >hardwiring??? > > > > > > > > > >Mr Blues > > > > > > > > > >~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > > > >Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > > > > >http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > > > > > > > > > >~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > > > > > > > > >Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 18:54:50 -0500 > > > > >From: "Alan Guyes" > > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] LTD brochure link > > > > > > > > > >Wouter - > > > > > > > > > >Thanks for the mention. If you would like to add a copy of this lit to > > > > >your Nak ftp site, please let me know. I have a zipped copy sitting on my > > > > >computer. It's pretty large - about 10mb and was scanned as a .tiff > > > > > > > > > > Alan Guyes > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > >From: "Wouter Heijke" > > > > >To: > > > > >Subject: [naktalk] LTD brochure link > > > > > > > > > > > Check out this interesting link found on a 1000ZXL LTD brochure sale > > > on > > > > > > ebay.. > > > > > > > > > > > > http://members.aol.com/alanguyes/1000ZXL.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > Wouter > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Aug 3 16:37:25 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 15:37:25 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Blast from the Past.... In-Reply-To: <3F2D19D8.67CC6C03@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <000001c359cc$c1d70300$95d0883e@oemcomputer> That's a pity but glad to have the alternative link. After all, some guidance is better than no guide at all! Incidentally, for the first time, I recently noticed a UK dealer selling a 2nd hand Dragon for just under £1,000 ... He might be persuaded to let it go for £900! Evidently, prices still depend on whether or not it's a private sale, auction, commercial sale and which country you're in! Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Wouter Heijke > Sent: 03 August 2003 15:19 > To: ra.ah at rcn.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Blast from the Past.... > > > I've removed it after comments and questions.... For some models > it listed prices based on only a few auctions, that was the main > critisism i've received. > So until there is something better we have to do without i'm afraid.... > BUT, if you can't live without them: > http://www.naks.com/removed_prices > > Wouter > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Aug 3 18:01:59 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 12:01:59 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Blast from the Past.... References: <000801c35963$43f1cba0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6> <3F2CC903.329F2354@xs4all.nl> <3F2D0E28.4DB110D1@rcn.com> <3F2D19D8.67CC6C03@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <3F2D31F7.E88E4F34@rcn.com> Thanks. I do refer to it from time to time. We all realize this is not an accurate measure of value, but is useful as a general guideline. -- Ron Wouter Heijke wrote: > > I've removed it after comments and questions.... For some models it listed prices based on only a few auctions, that was the main critisism i've received. > So until there is something better we have to do without i'm afraid.... > BUT, if you can't live without them: > http://www.naks.com/removed_prices > > Wouter > > Ron wrote: > > > Speaking of the new naks.com, what happened to the price section? The > > original price disappeared first, and now the whole section is gone. > > > > -- Ron > > > > Wouter Heijke wrote: > > > > > > Hey Bleus, > > > > > > Yes it's fun, i put care on making them all available, it was also a reason to upgrade to the new software it provides this 'archive' option by default. > > > > > > Wouter > > > > > > > KJ Bleus wrote: > > > > > > > > Wouter, > > > > > > > > I'm browsing through the NakTalk archives, really enjoying the email threads from past years. Here's a blast from the past, a couple years ago, very entertaining (esp the reply from Carlos (the Tape Man). The archives are brilliant!!! > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > Bleus de Nakker > > > > Madison, Wisc USA > > > > kjbleus at charter.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [naktalk] 1000ZXL is Awesome..... > > > > > > > > Carlos copytec at xxxxx.net > > > > Tue Feb 15 21:36:27 CET 2000 > > > > > > > > * Previous message: [naktalk] 1000ZXL is Awesome..... > > > > * Next message: [naktalk] 1000ZXL is Awesome..... > > > > * Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Jeff, I'm also a proud owner of a 1000ZXL. For those who wants a "gold" > > > > plate with your name on it without paying $4,000 for a deck (crazy thing), > > > > just do what I did: Go to a trophy center and ask for nameplate with your name . > > > > It would cost you $5.00 and paste it on your deck. No matter if it is a 1000 > > > > ZXL or a 480! Everyone can have his/her name on the deck, turntable, amps, > > > > etc ... Ha, ha ,Ha ! Not 24 karat gold available? So what? Who the hell > > > > cares, after all, it's your name what counts ... > > > > > > > > The Tape Man > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: chua jeffrey > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 6:29 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL is Awesome..... > > > > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > > > I am a lucky one to own a 1000ZXL. But the set now requires servicing to > > > > > bring it to operating condition. I could not recall or find my personal > > > > name engraved anywhere on the machine. > > > > > > > > > > Jeffrey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "The BlueSwapper" > > > > > >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > >To: naktalk at naks.com, aguyes at roanoke.infi.net > > > > > >CC: blueswapper at angelfire.com > > > > > >Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL is Awesome..... > > > > > >Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 18:19:54 -0800 > > > > > > > > > > > >Alan! Thanks much for sharing your info on the Nak 1000ZXL LTD Deck, > > > > > >that's a gosh-awful handsome piece of gear!!! I'm curious, Mr Nakamichi > > > > > >himself writes in the literature that each deck has its owner's name hand > > > > > >engraved onto the surface of the component. Where might the engraving be > > > > > >placed on a deck? Does anyone among us have such a glorious component in > > > > > >their possession currently?? Would a 1000ZXL LTD benefit from custom > > > > > >hardwiring??? > > > > > > > > > > > >Mr Blues > > > > > > > > > > > >~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > > > > >Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > > > > > >http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > > > > > > > > > > > >~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > > > > > > > > > > >Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 18:54:50 -0500 > > > > > >From: "Alan Guyes" > > > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] LTD brochure link > > > > > > > > > > > >Wouter - > > > > > > > > > > > >Thanks for the mention. If you would like to add a copy of this lit to > > > > > >your Nak ftp site, please let me know. I have a zipped copy sitting on my > > > > > >computer. It's pretty large - about 10mb and was scanned as a .tiff > > > > > > > > > > > > Alan Guyes > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > >From: "Wouter Heijke" > > > > > >To: > > > > > >Subject: [naktalk] LTD brochure link > > > > > > > > > > > > > Check out this interesting link found on a 1000ZXL LTD brochure sale > > > > on > > > > > > > ebay.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://members.aol.com/alanguyes/1000ZXL.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wouter > > > > > > > From kannan_s at vsnl.com Sun Aug 3 18:48:01 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 22:18:01 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Blast from the Past.... Message-ID: <20030803164801.B0660114A20@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Aug 3 20:30:38 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 01:30:38 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Blast from the Past.... References: <20030803164801.B0660114A20@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <001301c359ed$56ab6460$d5299bca@smarzuki> Congrats & thanks Wouter for compiling the archive ! After my HD crashed I missed most of the posts. 1999 ... can't believe how time flies when we're having fun. Wouter, may I suggest to put a pointer to naktalk or nakmart particularly in the 'messages' section on your site ? Seems like people posting messages there aren't really aware of the abundant info floating around on naktalk. Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: kannan_s at vsnl.com Congratulation Wouter for this Naktalk archive - I think this will be a treasure for newbie Nak talkers. Also nice to go through past posts. I spent quite a time on it. What happened to Nak links - missing ???? That will be helpful for any new visitors to Naks.com site Kannan wheijke at xs4all.nl wrote Hey Bleus, Yes it's fun, i put care on making them all available, it was also a reason to upgrade to the new software it provides this 'archive' option by default. Wouter From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sun Aug 3 22:13:35 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 22:13:35 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Blast from the Past.... References: <20030803164801.B0660114A20@webmail.vsnl.com> <001301c359ed$56ab6460$d5299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3F2D6CEE.A29CE1C5@xs4all.nl> In fact the archive has been there since the upgrade of the list software... actually it took 24 hours of the archiving software to compile the entire archive :-) Then the current naks.com server is 'only' a Pentium 120 with 256mb ram.. so i was looking out for a more heavy unit since the new site wil need it! At the same spot where i fount my 480 i now found a Dell PowerEdge 2300/450 with 2 PentiumII 450mhz, processors and128mb!! It's an imprssive thing and it will hold a Nakamichi logo soon on the case... pictures will follow ;-) Then i need to upgrade it with more memory and a bigger harddrive (for all the pdf's) and configure it.... so until the new site is there it will be here running the new site in development. Wouter Salim Marzuki wrote: > Congrats & thanks Wouter for compiling the archive ! After my HD crashed I > missed most of the posts. 1999 ... can't believe how time flies when we're > having fun. > > Wouter, may I suggest to put a pointer to naktalk or nakmart particularly in > the 'messages' section on your site ? Seems like people posting messages > there aren't really aware of the abundant info floating around on naktalk. > > Cheers, > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: kannan_s at vsnl.com > > Congratulation Wouter for this Naktalk archive - I think this will be a > treasure for newbie Nak talkers. Also nice to go through past posts. I spent > quite a time on it. > What happened to Nak links - missing ???? That will be helpful for any new > visitors to Naks.com site > Kannan > > wheijke at xs4all.nl wrote > Hey Bleus, > > Yes it's fun, i put care on making them all available, it was also a reason > to upgrade to the new software it provides this 'archive' option by default. > > Wouter > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Sun Aug 3 23:24:05 2003 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 17:24:05 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Blast from the Past.... References: <20030803164801.B0660114A20@webmail.vsnl.com><001301c359ed$56ab6460$d5299bca@smarzuki> <3F2D6CEE.A29CE1C5@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <004401c35a05$a579b8e0$8e106343@johnnyrotten> Wouter, What is the web address for this? John T. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wouter Heijke" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 4:13 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Blast from the Past.... In fact the archive has been there since the upgrade of the list software... actually it took 24 hours of the archiving software to compile the entire archive :-) Then the current naks.com server is 'only' a Pentium 120 with 256mb ram.. so i was looking out for a more heavy unit since the new site wil need it! At the same spot where i fount my 480 i now found a Dell PowerEdge 2300/450 with 2 PentiumII 450mhz, processors and128mb!! It's an imprssive thing and it will hold a Nakamichi logo soon on the case... pictures will follow ;-) Then i need to upgrade it with more memory and a bigger harddrive (for all the pdf's) and configure it.... so until the new site is there it will be here running the new site in development. Wouter Salim Marzuki wrote: > Congrats & thanks Wouter for compiling the archive ! After my HD crashed I > missed most of the posts. 1999 ... can't believe how time flies when we're > having fun. > > Wouter, may I suggest to put a pointer to naktalk or nakmart particularly in > the 'messages' section on your site ? Seems like people posting messages > there aren't really aware of the abundant info floating around on naktalk. > > Cheers, > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: kannan_s at vsnl.com > > Congratulation Wouter for this Naktalk archive - I think this will be a > treasure for newbie Nak talkers. Also nice to go through past posts. I spent > quite a time on it. > What happened to Nak links - missing ???? That will be helpful for any new > visitors to Naks.com site > Kannan > > wheijke at xs4all.nl wrote > Hey Bleus, > > Yes it's fun, i put care on making them all available, it was also a reason > to upgrade to the new software it provides this 'archive' option by default. > > Wouter > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From jazzisjazz at mindspring.com Mon Aug 4 03:30:45 2003 From: jazzisjazz at mindspring.com (Stanley P. Pickens) Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 21:30:45 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Blast from the Past.... In-Reply-To: <3F2D6CEE.A29CE1C5@xs4all.nl> References: <20030803164801.B0660114A20@webmail.vsnl.com> <001301c359ed$56ab6460$d5299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <4.2.2.20030803211710.00b58c08@mail.mindspring.com> Wouter, Let me know what kind of memory you can use and what type of hard drive you are thinking of ide or scsi and the size needed... I may have something around here that I can contribute. Also I am aware of what might be some cost effective processor upgrades to that Dell. If you are interested I can send along the links. Anybody using a nak pc cd changer drive in their pc just to play music cds? If anyone has access to basf/emtec metal maxima cassettes - I would like to try a few. Thanks for all the work you've put in Stanley P.Pickens At 10:13 PM 8/3/2003 +0200, you wrote: >In fact the archive has been there since the upgrade of the list software... >actually it took 24 hours of the archiving software to compile the entire >archive :-) >Then the current naks.com server is 'only' a Pentium 120 with 256mb ram.. so i >was looking out for a more heavy unit since the new site wil need it! >At the same spot where i fount my 480 i now found a Dell PowerEdge >2300/450 with >2 PentiumII 450mhz, processors and128mb!! >It's an imprssive thing and it will hold a Nakamichi logo soon on the case... >pictures will follow ;-) >Then i need to upgrade it with more memory and a bigger harddrive (for all the >pdf's) and configure it.... so until the new site is there it will be here >running the new site in development. > >Wouter > > >Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > Congrats & thanks Wouter for compiling the archive ! After my HD crashed I > > missed most of the posts. 1999 ... can't believe how time flies when we're > > having fun. > > > > Wouter, may I suggest to put a pointer to naktalk or nakmart > particularly in > > the 'messages' section on your site ? Seems like people posting messages > > there aren't really aware of the abundant info floating around on naktalk. > > > > Cheers, > > Salim SM > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: kannan_s at vsnl.com > > > > Congratulation Wouter for this Naktalk archive - I think this will be a > > treasure for newbie Nak talkers. Also nice to go through past posts. I > spent > > quite a time on it. > > What happened to Nak links - missing ???? That will be helpful for any new > > visitors to Naks.com site > > Kannan > > > > wheijke at xs4all.nl wrote > > Hey Bleus, > > > > Yes it's fun, i put care on making them all available, it was also a reason > > to upgrade to the new software it provides this 'archive' option by > default. > > > > Wouter > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ti at amb.org Mon Aug 4 09:15:00 2003 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 00:15:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Blast from the Past.... In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20030803211710.00b58c08@mail.mindspring.com> from "Stanley P. Pickens" at Aug 03, 2003 09:30:45 PM Message-ID: <200308040715.HAA07934@amb.org> Stanley P. Pickens writes: > Anybody using a nak pc cd changer drive in their pc just to play music cds? I have a Nakamichi MJ-4.8s four-disc SCSI minichanger which I primarily use as a CD audio player when I am on the computer. The audio output of my computer is hooked up to one of my home stereos and sounds decent. -Ti Nakamichi Dragon -- /// Ti Kan Vorsprung durch Technik /// AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA /// ti at amb.org ////// http://www.amb.org/ti/ /// From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Aug 4 14:32:54 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 14:32:54 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] Where to get feet / legs? Message-ID: <18580.212.78.179.234.1060000374.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Hi All, My recently aquired 480 is missing it's feet or legs (how to call these 'things'), also is one of my HighCom units. So my question is if anyone knows a place where to get (near) original feet or an alternative Nakamichi 'worth'. I still don't know WHY people remove them.. it's sad! Wouter From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Aug 4 15:36:30 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 14:36:30 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Where to get feet / legs? In-Reply-To: <18580.212.78.179.234.1060000374.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <001101c35a8d$69988e40$0ad7883e@oemcomputer> Perhaps amputee midgets use them as prosthetics? "Un-PC G" > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Wouter Heijke > Sent: 04 August 2003 13:33 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Where to get feet / legs? > > > Hi All, > > My recently aquired 480 is missing it's feet or legs (how to call these > 'things'), also is one of my HighCom units. > So my question is if anyone knows a place where to get (near) original > feet or an alternative Nakamichi 'worth'. > I still don't know WHY people remove them.. it's sad! > > Wouter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.504 / Virus Database: 302 - Release Date: 24/07/03 From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Aug 4 16:01:09 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 21:01:09 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Where to get feet / legs? References: <18580.212.78.179.234.1060000374.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <001201c35a90$dba7bee0$a0299bca@smarzuki> To fit in a tight component rack !! I'm fortunate enough to own an adcom tuner which rackmount ends was jigsawed to serve that purpose. Re footless 480 - I have used substitutes from diy amp box shop but none comes close to nice smooth round Nak legs. At least it will prevent scratching the component below 480. Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Wouter Heijke Hi All, My recently aquired 480 is missing it's feet or legs (how to call these 'things'), also is one of my HighCom units. So my question is if anyone knows a place where to get (near) original feet or an alternative Nakamichi 'worth'. I still don't know WHY people remove them.. it's sad! Wouter From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Aug 4 15:58:05 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 15:58:05 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] Where to get feet / legs? In-Reply-To: <001201c35a90$dba7bee0$a0299bca@smarzuki> References: <18580.212.78.179.234.1060000374.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <001201c35a90$dba7bee0$a0299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <21116.212.78.179.234.1060005485.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Hmm, i must be lucky with only the feet missing! Did i ever tell about my Dragon??? It was missing the auto azimuth! The unit was partly there but it was disabled! Tom van der Hoff at Transtec couldn't believe his eyes! Then there are the people who throw away the manuals after reading them, i think 9 out of 10 second hand naks don't have one anymore... I'll check out some DIY shops but don't suspect to find any. Wouter > > To fit in a tight component rack !! I'm fortunate enough to own an adcom > tuner which rackmount ends was jigsawed to serve that purpose. > > Re footless 480 - I have used substitutes from diy amp box shop but none > comes close to nice smooth round Nak legs. At least it will prevent > scratching the component below 480. > > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Wouter Heijke > > > Hi All, > > My recently aquired 480 is missing it's feet or legs (how to call these > 'things'), also is one of my HighCom units. > So my question is if anyone knows a place where to get (near) original > feet or an alternative Nakamichi 'worth'. > I still don't know WHY people remove them.. it's sad! > > Wouter > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Aug 4 16:30:42 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 16:30:42 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Where to get feet / legs? Message-ID: Graham, twice today you have got me laughing. It's got to.....well, continue. I think that's a great idea. But who is it that goes around paraplegiarising Nakamichis. They must be stopped. Anyhow, your dog food tins has really got me thinking. As I imagine myself standing in front of the Pedigree/Husky/Butch this evening, I will be trying to work out which flavour has the highest density and thus are the most acoustically dead. It's the liver, isn't it? Cheers, Marc >>> graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk 08/04/03 03:36PM >>> Perhaps amputee midgets use them as prosthetics? "Un-PC G" > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Wouter Heijke > Sent: 04 August 2003 13:33 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Where to get feet / legs? > > > Hi All, > > My recently aquired 480 is missing it's feet or legs (how to call these > 'things'), also is one of my HighCom units. > So my question is if anyone knows a place where to get (near) original > feet or an alternative Nakamichi 'worth'. > I still don't know WHY people remove them.. it's sad! > > Wouter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.504 / Virus Database: 302 - Release Date: 24/07/03 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From mtdshn at mchsi.com Mon Aug 4 18:24:30 2003 From: mtdshn at mchsi.com (Mark Domyancich) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 11:24:30 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX-1 idler question Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030804111418.00b3f648@mail.mchsi.com> Hello, I recently picked up a BX-1 that's in cosmetically great shape. I've read that the BX-1 has idler problems where it begins to slip and cause tapes to not rewind completely or stopping when recording or playing. I found a website that gave some instructions on how to find out if it has been replaced or not. I can't tell really. It's an off-white, round plastic disc that has a rubber "band" around the edge of it. I've found a store that sells replacement idlers (http://www.libermansound.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=53) but it looks like it has a lip on the outside. So I'm wondering - has the idler already been replaced in mine? I haven't had any problems with it myself, but this deck is in nice shape and I would like to have it for some time. Thanks, Mark From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Aug 4 17:24:18 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 11:24:18 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Where to get feet / legs? References: Message-ID: <3F2E7AA2.15DA8BA2@rcn.com> Mark Hugo wrote: > > Graham, twice today you have got me laughing. It's got to.....well, > continue. I think that's a great idea. But who is it that goes around > paraplegiarising Nakamichis. They must be stopped. > > Anyhow, your dog food tins has really got me thinking. As I imagine > myself standing in front of the Pedigree/Husky/Butch this evening, I > will be trying to work out which flavour has the highest density and > thus are the most acoustically dead. It's the liver, isn't it? Depends on the dog. It could be the brain. -- Ron > > Cheers, > > Marc > > >>> graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk 08/04/03 03:36PM >>> > Perhaps amputee midgets use them as prosthetics? > > "Un-PC G" > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Wouter Heijke > > Sent: 04 August 2003 13:33 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] Where to get feet / legs? > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > My recently aquired 480 is missing it's feet or legs (how to call > these > > 'things'), also is one of my HighCom units. > > So my question is if anyone knows a place where to get (near) > original > > feet or an alternative Nakamichi 'worth'. > > I still don't know WHY people remove them.. it's sad! > > > > Wouter > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.504 / Virus Database: 302 - Release Date: 24/07/03 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject > to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more > attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the > named recipient/s. > > If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose > or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. > If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to > this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. > > All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present > in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising > from the use of this email or attachments. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Aug 4 18:45:50 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 23:45:50 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Whole Lotta Parts Message-ID: <004201c35aa9$fcf6a020$b2299bca@smarzuki> Hi fellow Nakaholics, A friend of mine is clearing up his inventory of Nak parts and asked me if I'm interested in taking over part of his stocks .... so let's find out if it's more economical than Nakannibalising ! He has new heads, motors, belts, cpus, lasers and even some rare jigs and test tapes (new and used). Please contact me off list to indicate your need of Nak parts (and part numbers), I will compile the list, inquire the prices and forward the prices to you to see if the purchase is workable. He preferred to deal with only one person for the whole purchase so this will need to be prepaid since I don't have enough funds to cover your purchase (and I'm still holding a spare pb head of a nakfriend for 5 months ! =). Unfortunately the only possible payment is through costly WU transfer - about $15-20 fee - or risky cash inside envelope. Cheers, Salim SM smarzuki at indosat.net.id From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Aug 4 19:04:27 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 00:04:27 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Where to get feet / legs? References: <18580.212.78.179.234.1060000374.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <001201c35a90$dba7bee0$a0299bca@smarzuki> <21116.212.78.179.234.1060005485.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <004c01c35aaa$76c889e0$b2299bca@smarzuki> Wouter, if you don't mind the ugly look I can send you some alternatives ! Let me know the result of your diy shop search. Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Wouter Heijke To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 8:58 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Where to get feet / legs? Hmm, i must be lucky with only the feet missing! Did i ever tell about my Dragon??? It was missing the auto azimuth! The unit was partly there but it was disabled! Tom van der Hoff at Transtec couldn't believe his eyes! Then there are the people who throw away the manuals after reading them, i think 9 out of 10 second hand naks don't have one anymore... I'll check out some DIY shops but don't suspect to find any. Wouter > > To fit in a tight component rack !! I'm fortunate enough to own an adcom > tuner which rackmount ends was jigsawed to serve that purpose. > From p9019 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 4 19:05:06 2003 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 10:05:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX-1 idler question In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030804111418.00b3f648@mail.mchsi.com> Message-ID: <20030804170506.54045.qmail@web40401.mail.yahoo.com> WOW. $10 is outrageous. These things are like $0.69 at MCM Electronics. I forget the part number. Scott J. --- Mark Domyancich wrote: > Hello, > > I recently picked up a BX-1 that's in cosmetically > great shape. I've read > that the BX-1 has idler problems where it begins to > slip and cause tapes to > not rewind completely or stopping when recording or > playing. I found a > website that gave some instructions on how to find > out if it has been > replaced or not. I can't tell really. It's an > off-white, round plastic disc > that has a rubber "band" around the edge of it. I've > found a store that > sells replacement idlers > (http://www.libermansound.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=53) > but > it looks like it has a lip on the outside. So I'm > wondering - has the idler > already been replaced in mine? I haven't had any > problems with it myself, > but this deck is in nice shape and I would like to > have it for some time. > > Thanks, > Mark > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Aug 4 19:54:02 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 13:54:02 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX-1 idler question References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030804111418.00b3f648@mail.mchsi.com> Message-ID: <3F2E9DBA.2AB4DB68@rcn.com> Mark Domyancich wrote: > > Hello, > > I recently picked up a BX-1 that's in cosmetically great shape. I've read > that the BX-1 has idler problems where it begins to slip and cause tapes to > not rewind completely or stopping when recording or playing. I found a > website that gave some instructions on how to find out if it has been > replaced or not. I can't tell really. It's an off-white, round plastic disc > that has a rubber "band" around the edge of it. I've found a store that > sells replacement idlers > (http://www.libermansound.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=53) but > it looks like it has a lip on the outside. So I'm wondering - has the idler > already been replaced in mine? I haven't had any problems with it myself, > but this deck is in nice shape and I would like to have it for some time. > > Thanks, > Mark Normally, there is no reason to replace the idler, just the black rubber tire. It's highly likely that it has been replaced on each and every BX-1 l, since in normal operation it lasts 2 to 3 years. To test the idler in your BX-1, insert a C-120 cassette with the full reel to the left. FF for about 5 seconds. Then, try to rewind. If the deck fully rewinds, the idler is good. If it fails, then you need to either clean or replace the rubber tire. -- Ron From jrdcesq at earthlink.net Mon Aug 4 17:02:10 2003 From: jrdcesq at earthlink.net (john cooney) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 11:02:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [naktalk] my Dragon Message-ID: <786741.1060020188305.JavaMail.nobody@misspiggy.psp.pas.earthlink.net> My Dragon started eating tapes lately. Is this a common problem? Is this something that can be repaired? If so, who is a known good person to do the repairs. Or is it something I can do myself. thanks john From calijente at gmx.net Mon Aug 4 21:13:55 2003 From: calijente at gmx.net (calijente at gmx.net) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 14:13:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX-1 idler question In-Reply-To: <20030804170506.54045.qmail@web40401.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000c01c35abc$90407240$0d7cce80@Tweezzy> The part number is 32-5665. I just bought some for my CR-2A and they fit perfectly (I know that normally CR-2A doesn't have any idler tire, but mine does, after Salim's intervention ;-)). I paid about $10 for 5 pieces and shipping. I also found the following advice in the Euras database, which might be helpful: "Support the plastic mechanism from behind when pressing the retaining ring back on, otherwise it will break." Gabe > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Scott Johnson > Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 11:05 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-1 idler question > > > WOW. $10 is outrageous. These things are like $0.69 > at MCM Electronics. I forget the part number. > > Scott J. > --- Mark Domyancich wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I recently picked up a BX-1 that's in cosmetically > > great shape. I've read > > that the BX-1 has idler problems where it begins to > > slip and cause tapes to > > not rewind completely or stopping when recording or > > playing. I found a > > website that gave some instructions on how to find > > out if it has been > > replaced or not. I can't tell really. It's an > > off-white, round plastic disc > > that has a rubber "band" around the edge of it. I've > > found a store that > > sells replacement idlers > > > (http://www.libermansound.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=53) > > but > > it looks like it has a lip on the outside. So I'm > > wondering - has the idler > > already been replaced in mine? I haven't had any > > problems with it myself, > > but this deck is in nice shape and I would like to > > have it for some time. > > > > Thanks, > > Mark > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design > software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > From ddino77 at earthlink.net Mon Aug 4 21:42:04 2003 From: ddino77 at earthlink.net (ddino77) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 15:42:04 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 700II Question References: <000801c35764$e2525ae0$f0a1b73f@ddino77> <008801c3576a$bb012470$253442cf@steve> Message-ID: <000701c35ac0$7d3a4fa0$1c80b73f@ddino77> Thanks for the reply Mr. Sank. I will try your recommendation without "breaking" more than I fix. However, if I am unsuccessful would you consider taking this puppy in and have a go.... Your reputation from other Naksters is impressive, just the person I would trust. Just a thought.... thanks ddan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700II Question > As is the case with "orange cap disease", with strange problems on a > 700/700II, the first thing to do before killing yourself looking for > specific faults is to clean & tighten all of the circuit board edge > connectors in the unit. They are used not just for board-to-board > junctions, but also as cable connectors, where a small piece of printed > circuit board, to fit an edge connector, is wired to the end of a cable > bundle. One must clean the contact areas on the boards, and individually > tighten each & every contact in every connector, by using a tiny, tiny > screwdriver or dental pick to pull the contacts inward as far as they can > without having the board insertion crushing them. Getting to all connectors > requires pulling the deck from the cabinet & removing the whole front panel, > which is not too hard. The hardest thing is the tedium of tightening over a > hundred little contact springs. > So, take some prozac & have at it. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer > Talking Dog Transducer Company > http://stephensank.com > 5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] > 505-332-0336 > Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer > Payments preferred through Paypal.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ddino77" > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 7:08 AM > Subject: [naktalk] 700II Question > > > Hello friends! I have a 700II that was brought out of storage which has good > playback but records crummy. While recording the calibration tone the right > channel VU meter oscillates bellow the red ref line, music sounds > compressed, distorted and at a lower level than > the left channel. Also, the RH azimuth LED alignment beacons flicker > alternatly for a few seconds, but do not remain that way (they stop > flickering until re-adjustment is initiated). And finaly when FF or RW is > selected the cassette compartment door locks and can only be ejected by > shuting down power to the unit. Unfortunately I don't have the owners > manual, so I cleaned the heads, demagnatized and look around for obvious > problems. I hope someone out there has experience with this issue. Any > ideas? thnx ddan > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ---- > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ezio.lucenti2 at virgilio.it Mon Aug 4 21:35:53 2003 From: ezio.lucenti2 at virgilio.it (Ezio) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 20:35:53 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Would it be possible register ... In-Reply-To: <3F2E9DBA.2AB4DB68@rcn.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030804111418.00b3f648@mail.mchsi.com> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030804203344.011ecc00@in.virgilio.it> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From roleo at telus.net Mon Aug 4 21:34:54 2003 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 12:34:54 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] BX-1 idler question References: <20030804170506.54045.qmail@web40401.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003501c35abf$7b5ea740$eca7b742@desktop> 32-5665 is the MCM stock number for the tire. Minimum order is 5 pieces, which is still below $3.00 and you have 4 spares (store them in sealed plastic) for years to come. http://mcm.newark.com/NewarkWebCommerce/mcm/en_US/support/search/searchResults.jsp?action=0&First=0&QText=32-5665+&x=16&y=8 --Roland ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Johnson" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 10:05 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-1 idler question > WOW. $10 is outrageous. These things are like $0.69 > at MCM Electronics. I forget the part number. > > Scott J. > --- Mark Domyancich wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I recently picked up a BX-1 that's in cosmetically > > great shape. I've read > > that the BX-1 has idler problems where it begins to > > slip and cause tapes to > > not rewind completely or stopping when recording or > > playing. I found a > > website that gave some instructions on how to find > > out if it has been > > replaced or not. I can't tell really. It's an > > off-white, round plastic disc > > that has a rubber "band" around the edge of it. I've > > found a store that > > sells replacement idlers > > > (http://www.libermansound.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=53) > > but > > it looks like it has a lip on the outside. So I'm > > wondering - has the idler > > already been replaced in mine? I haven't had any > > problems with it myself, > > but this deck is in nice shape and I would like to > > have it for some time. > > > > Thanks, > > Mark > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From ezio.lucenti2 at virgilio.it Mon Aug 4 21:46:54 2003 From: ezio.lucenti2 at virgilio.it (Ezio) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 20:46:54 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Unsubscribing In-Reply-To: <3F2E9DBA.2AB4DB68@rcn.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030804111418.00b3f648@mail.mchsi.com> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030804204453.011a2060@in.virgilio.it> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Aug 4 22:35:09 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 16:35:09 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] my Dragon References: <786741.1060020188305.JavaMail.nobody@misspiggy.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3F2EC37D.39CF48C2@rcn.com> john cooney wrote: > > My Dragon started eating tapes lately. Is this a common problem? It is not unheard of... > Is this something that can be repaired? Yes, it can. In all probability, the take up reel torque has become too low. There can be a multitude of reasons for this. > If so, who is a known good person to do the repairs. Stephen Sank, who posts here from time to time, is absolutely the best person. Address: bk11 at thuntek.net >... Or is it something I can do myself. You are the best qualified person to answer this question. Since we are not sure what the exact nature of the problem is, it is difficult to ascertain whether repairing it is within your capability. If you've never taken a tape deck apart, I suspect the answer is 'NO'. Good luck, -- Ron > > thanks > john > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Aug 4 23:31:01 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 23:31:01 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Where to get feet / legs? References: <18580.212.78.179.234.1060000374.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <001201c35a90$dba7bee0$a0299bca@smarzuki> <21116.212.78.179.234.1060005485.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <004c01c35aaa$76c889e0$b2299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3F2ED095.EF00BFD@xs4all.nl> I got a tip to look at the mouser.com catalog, and there i found what looks a lot like a nak 'vinyl cabinet bumper', so i've ordered 8 to test their looks! I'll keep you all posted on the results of their looks! BTW, the part numer is 5162-F6B A database of nak part numbers at several online stores may becomming a nice to-have! Wouter Salim Marzuki wrote: > Wouter, if you don't mind the ugly look I can send you some alternatives ! > Let me know the result of your diy shop search. > > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Wouter Heijke > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 8:58 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Where to get feet / legs? > > Hmm, i must be lucky with only the feet missing! > > Did i ever tell about my Dragon??? It was missing the auto azimuth! The > unit was partly there but it was disabled! > Tom van der Hoff at Transtec couldn't believe his eyes! > > Then there are the people who throw away the manuals after reading them, i > think 9 out of 10 second hand naks don't have one anymore... > > I'll check out some DIY shops but don't suspect to find any. > > Wouter > > > > > To fit in a tight component rack !! I'm fortunate enough to own an adcom > > tuner which rackmount ends was jigsawed to serve that purpose. > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Tue Aug 5 01:29:22 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 04:59:22 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] my Dragon Message-ID: <20030804232922.734EF15E08@vsnlbill.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From helmut.seiwald at stz-egs.de Tue Aug 5 09:32:19 2003 From: helmut.seiwald at stz-egs.de (helmut.seiwald) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 09:32:19 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 Manauals Message-ID: <3F2F5D83.1050602@stz-egs.de> Hello everybody! I'm new here in the newsgroup. Beside my 23 year old 480 I own a CR-1 and a LX-5 which I bought via ebay 2 weeks ago. As already mentioned here yesterday nearly none second-hand deck has manuals, also mine was delivered without. Browsing the excellent naktalk archive I found out that manuals in pdf-format exist, but all mentioned adresses where not reachable (ftp-server down?). So where can I find an owner- or (much better, because the deck is in rather bad condition) a service-manual for the LX-5. Greetings, Helmut Seiwald helmut.seiwald at stz-egs.de ================================================================== From wheijke at xs4all.nl Tue Aug 5 11:57:45 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 11:57:45 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 Manauals In-Reply-To: <3F2F5D83.1050602@stz-egs.de> References: <3F2F5D83.1050602@stz-egs.de> Message-ID: <20907.212.78.179.234.1060077465.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Hi! Actually the nakmart list is for requests like this but since you are new here i've approved your message to the list. Nakmart has a lot of members who own all manuals that used to be available through the FTP, yes it is down, and a request there should trigger one or more members! Good luck repairing your LX5 and enjoy the list! Wouter > Hello everybody! > > I'm new here in the newsgroup. Beside my 23 year old 480 I own a CR-1 > and a LX-5 which I bought via ebay 2 weeks ago. As already mentioned > here yesterday nearly none second-hand deck has manuals, also mine was > delivered without. > Browsing the excellent naktalk archive I found out that manuals in > pdf-format exist, but all mentioned adresses where not reachable > (ftp-server down?). So where can I find an owner- or (much better, > because the deck is in rather bad condition) a service-manual for the > LX-5. > > Greetings, Helmut Seiwald > > helmut.seiwald at stz-egs.de > ================================================================== > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From mrraven200 at hotmail.com Wed Aug 6 05:23:20 2003 From: mrraven200 at hotmail.com (Matthew Rogers) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 23:23:20 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR1A Quality? Message-ID: It seems like you can pick up CR1As all day on ebay for around 50 dollars. Do they really sound that much worse than the more expensive Naks like the CR-7, Dragon, etc? I know they have 2 pb heads, but are they the same heads as the more expensive Naks? How about the transport? How would one sound in comparison to my 600? Would it be a good match for the 600 for dubbing tapes? Thanks!!!!!!!!!! --Matt Rogers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rtl at noctrl.edu Tue Aug 5 23:20:32 2003 From: rtl at noctrl.edu (Robert Lehe) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 16:20:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 480 tansport problem References: <1190.172.149.90.74.1059841875.squirrel@www.noctrl.edu> <3F2C01F0.1F6FD814@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <3F301FA0.3070405@noctrl.edu> Well, I tried getting into the mechanism, but without much success. I took the cover off and the front panel. But apparently in the course of taking the front panel off, the eject mechanism got screwed up. Access to the pinch roller and the head assemby is now blocked by the cassette door. Should I just start taking everything in the transport vicinity apart. I feel like, with only a $2 investment on the line I can take some risks. But do you think this is undoable without a service manual? Tad Wouter Heijke wrote: >Hi Robert, > >Sounds like my 'expensive' $17 480 i bought recently and had the same >transport problems... >If you press play you can try to help the 'cam' inside to move by moving it >with your finger. >My 480 suffered from hardened grease in the shaft of the pinch roller >assembly, so basically the grease made the pinchrollers stay in their >position, no heads go up, or play starts... >Open the cover, take away the front and look what happens and try to help the >mentioned parts by gently pressing, that's what i do to track the problem... > >Wouter > >Robert Lehe wrote: > > > >>I just bought a 480 at a garage sale for $2. There was a note on it that >>said, "needs work" and indeed that is the case. All the motors seem to >>work, fast forward and rewind work. But when you hit "play" the capstan >>turns, but the heads and pinch roller do not move, and the reel spindles >>do nnot turn. The head assembly will move up with a manual push, but it >>is very rough noisy. And the pinch roller does not move. Is this a big >>job to fix? Is it a matter of cleanin things up, or is major surgery >>required? As the deck does not have Dolby C, I do not want to sink much >>money into it, but if it is DIY-feasible, I might try to fix it--with >>some guidence. 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URL: From stan.targowski at comcast.net Wed Aug 6 13:50:52 2003 From: stan.targowski at comcast.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 06:50:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR1A Quality? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Among other decks, I do have CR2A, which is CR1A plus bias control, digital counter, and ability to be remotely controlled by a NAK receiver/control amp. The transport and heads on both are the same. As far as I understand from the pure electronics perspective it is similar also to CassetteDeck2, and DR3 and DR8. With this introduction ... This is a very good tape deck. It has the Nakamichi sound, and does sound better than some of the three heads from Denon or Pioneer that I have or had. It has sendust heads, rather than the crystalloy heads found in the typical 3 head deck (or 580M 2 head), so when compared to my CR4A it does not have the same clear transparent sound. For the money it is a great deal. The typical shortcoming is the 2 head system (no monitoring) and no bias adjust, so you would have to have it professionally calibrated to the 3 tape types you would be using (Type I, Type II, and Type IV). Or you can unscrew the unit, and try to do it yourself. Bottom line, great deal for $50. Other option to consider, pay $100 more and get CR3 or BX300 which have the 3 head tape system (BX300 is older, but also has direct-drive system). Stan -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Matthew Rogers Sent: Tue, August 05, 2003 10:23 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] CR1A Quality? It seems like you can pick up CR1As all day on ebay for around 50 dollars. Do they really sound that much worse than the more expensive Naks like the CR-7, Dragon, etc? I know they have 2 pb heads, but are they the same heads as the more expensive Naks? How about the transport? How would one sound in comparison to my 600? Would it be a good match for the 600 for dubbing tapes? Thanks!!!!!!!!!! --Matt Rogers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rtl at noctrl.edu Wed Aug 6 16:59:19 2003 From: rtl at noctrl.edu (Robert Lehe) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 09:59:19 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR1A Quality? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1056.172.133.146.52.1060181959.squirrel@www.noctrl.edu> I went looking for a CR1A a few weeks ago on ebay and managed to get one for $38, including shipping. It is in what appears to be mint condition and was said by the original owner to have been used sparingly. Coincdentally, mere moments before checking my email today I was playing some tapes on the CR1A that were made on my BX300. Back to back comparisons revealled almost no detectable difference. Since I do not intend to use the CR for recording, its lack of bias adjustment and corse meter are of no import. The only complaint I have is that the single capstan on some tapes does not maintain even head contact, and there is an occasional slight bubbling of the sound. I consider a CR1A for less than $50 to be the best buy in the current withering analogue tape world. Tad > Among other decks, I do have CR2A, which is CR1A plus bias control, > digital counter, and ability to be remotely controlled by a NAK > receiver/control amp. The transport and heads on both are the same. As > far as I understand from the pure electronics perspective it is similar > also to CassetteDeck2, and DR3 and DR8. With this introduction ... > > This is a very good tape deck. It has the Nakamichi sound, and does > sound better than some of the three heads from Denon or Pioneer that I > have or had. It has sendust heads, rather than the crystalloy heads > found in the typical 3 head deck (or 580M 2 head), so when compared to > my CR4A it does not have the same clear transparent sound. > > For the money it is a great deal. The typical shortcoming is the 2 head > system (no monitoring) and no bias adjust, so you would have to have it > professionally calibrated to the 3 tape types you would be using (Type > I, Type II, and Type IV). Or you can unscrew the unit, and try to do it > yourself. > > Bottom line, great deal for $50. Other option to consider, pay $100 more > and get CR3 or BX300 which have the 3 head tape system (BX300 is older, > but also has direct-drive system). > > Stan > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf > Of Matthew Rogers > Sent: Tue, August 05, 2003 10:23 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] CR1A Quality? > > > It seems like you can pick up CR1As all day on ebay for around 50 > dollars. > Do they really sound that much worse than the more expensive Naks like > the CR-7, Dragon, etc? I know they have 2 pb heads, but are they the > same > heads as the more expensive Naks? How about the transport? How would > one sound in comparison to my 600? Would it be a good match for the > 600 > for dubbing tapes? Thanks!!!!!!!!!! > > --Matt Rogers From jamesbakner at yahoo.com Wed Aug 6 18:42:35 2003 From: jamesbakner at yahoo.com (James bakner) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 09:42:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Unsubscribing and "mix" tapes In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20030804204453.011a2060@in.virgilio.it> Message-ID: <20030806164235.28982.qmail@web40304.mail.yahoo.com> To - Wouter and the Naktalk group - Please unsubscribe me from the E mail list for now; I will be doing other things for a while. I have learned alot about cassette decks from you all. Don't you worry, I do not burn CDs, I record more cassettes than ever nowadays..... I made my first "Mix" tape since high school for a road trip last week. It was so much fun listening to it, I am going to do it more often.... --James __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From jmtooley at ce.net Thu Aug 7 21:36:44 2003 From: jmtooley at ce.net (jmtooley at ce.net) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 15:36:44 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Tapes For Sale Message-ID: <1060285004.3f32aa4ca60a5@mail.ce.net> I have three TDK MA 110 Metal, one Sony Metal-ES C90, one Sony Metal-SR C90 and one Maxell Metal Vertex C90 cassettes for sale. Offers invited before putting them on eBay. Shipping at cost. Thank you, John From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Aug 7 23:06:15 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 17:06:15 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Replacement for reel motor Message-ID: <3F32BF47.D532F03F@rcn.com> Stephen, Kannan, Salim, anyone... Is there a cheap after market replacement for the Sankyo transport reel motor? Make? Model number? Where to buy? TIA, -- Ron From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Fri Aug 8 01:00:24 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 09:00:24 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Tapes For Sale Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0220217F@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi John. Are you selling them as a complete package or as individual items? Regards, Tom. -----Original Message----- From: jmtooley at ce.net [mailto:jmtooley at ce.net] Sent: Friday, 8 August 2003 5:37 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Tapes For Sale I have three TDK MA 110 Metal, one Sony Metal-ES C90, one Sony Metal-SR C90 and one Maxell Metal Vertex C90 cassettes for sale. Offers invited before putting them on eBay. Shipping at cost. Thank you, John ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From zhs at tiscali.fr Fri Aug 8 00:32:27 2003 From: zhs at tiscali.fr (Zhdan's abbo) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 00:32:27 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 E idler fix question Message-ID: <003301c35d33$c86b5b20$0100a8c0@mshome.net> Hi, I have a BX-300 E and my fast forward and reverse are no longer working well. They say the idler wheel needs replacement. I also understand that idler tires exist as well. My question is, is it sufficient just to change the idler tire, or does the entire wheel need replacement? Further, if only the tire needs replacement, what if I just glue a regular water tap washer on it? Will this work? What will happen with the speed of the play-back if I do so, since the diameter of the idler wheel will not be the standard one? I also read that there is a possibility to tighten a spring on the idler system. Can anyone explain that? Does anyone have a service manual in electronic form? Thanks, zhs at tiscali.fr -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Aug 8 18:55:45 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 22:25:45 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Replacement for reel motor Message-ID: <20030808165545.DD81815E71@vsnlbill.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Aug 8 19:00:19 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 22:30:19 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 E idler fix question Message-ID: <20030808170019.E2BF815E5A@vsnlbill.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Aug 8 19:15:31 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 13:15:31 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 E idler fix question References: <003301c35d33$c86b5b20$0100a8c0@mshome.net> Message-ID: <3F33DAB3.C02EB2BD@rcn.com> > Zhdan's abbo wrote: > > Hi, I have a BX-300 E and my fast forward and reverse are no longer working > well. They say the idler wheel needs replacement. I also understand that > idler tires exist as well. > > My question is, is it sufficient just to change the idler tire, or does the > entire wheel need replacement? The idler itself rarely needs replacement. All you need to do is replace the tire. > Further, if only the tire needs replacement, what if I just glue a regular > water tap washer on it? Will this work? Not a good idea. The tap washer is designed for a completely different purpose. Highly unlikely this will work. > What will happen with the speed of > the play-back if I do so, since the diameter of the idler wheel will not be > the standard one? Speed is governed by the capstan, not the take-up reel. However, the tap washer will not work for a multitude of other reasons. > I also read that there is a possibility to tighten a spring on the idler > system. Can anyone explain that? The idler arm and both hubs are spring loaded. The purpose of the springs is to maintain correct height while allowing free vertical motion. Unless a spring is damaged, I wouldn't touch it. None of the springs is normally accessible. Note: to test the spring tension, you may push down on the base of the plastic idler arm, directly under the pulley. Never (and I mean, NEVER) push down on the idler -- you will very likely break the arm. > Does anyone have a service manual in electronic form? A portion of the service manual was available on the Naks.com ftp area. Ask Wouter (nicely) for download access. If this doesn't work, please let me know. Be aware, though, that the service manual does not offer instructions for replacing the idler tire. Let me know if you want those. -- Ron > > Thanks, > zhs at tiscali.fr > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Fri Aug 8 19:41:32 2003 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 13:41:32 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Tapes For Sale References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0220217F@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <00ac01c35dd4$4ea60960$47116343@johnnyrotten> Anyway you like ;-) Cheers, John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 7:00 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cassette Tapes For Sale Hi John. Are you selling them as a complete package or as individual items? Regards, Tom. -----Original Message----- From: jmtooley at ce.net [mailto:jmtooley at ce.net] Sent: Friday, 8 August 2003 5:37 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Tapes For Sale I have three TDK MA 110 Metal, one Sony Metal-ES C90, one Sony Metal-SR C90 and one Maxell Metal Vertex C90 cassettes for sale. Offers invited before putting them on eBay. Shipping at cost. Thank you, John ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Aug 8 19:25:06 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 13:25:06 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Replacement for reel motor References: <20030808165545.DD81815E71@vsnlbill.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <3F33DCF2.6F3EA3D6@rcn.com> I can always transfer the drive parts, if shaft diameter is the same. Do you have the part number of the Mabuchi motor? The bad motor also came from a broken down deck. It had trouble starting from a low voltage, so failed during play (drive voltage around 1.5V). Rebuilding it improved matters a lot, but after putting it back in, it still intermittently fails in Play. -- Ron kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > > Ron > I have bid (and will be getting) one broken down BX1 to get a reel motor - for cheap. And I thinkstephen had earlier written something about mabuchi motor on MCM but it will not have idler drive part anyway! > Kannan > > ra.ah at rcn.com wrote > > Stephen, Kannan, Salim, anyone... Is there a cheap after market > replacement for the Sankyo transport reel motor? Make? Model > number? Where to buy? > > TIA, > > -- Ron From rtl at noctrl.edu Sat Aug 9 00:51:48 2003 From: rtl at noctrl.edu (Robert Lehe) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 17:51:48 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR1 flutter problem Message-ID: <1074.172.139.93.158.1060383108.squirrel@www.noctrl.edu> Hello again, I am sorry to pester the good people of Naktalks again but I have another problem. A couple weeks ago I got a CR1 on ebay for dirt cheap, and have been enjoying it very much. But in the few couple of days it has developed a flutter problem. At first it was only on some tapes for the first few minutes near the beginning of a cassette. But it is getting worse and more pervasive. I have cleaned the pinch roller, the main drive belt and drive pulley. But the flutter is defintely there. The belt looks fine. Any ideas? Advice? What are the most likely offenders and solutions? Is this likely to cost more to fix than to replace? Should I cut my losses and move on? Thanks in advance for any help fortcoming! Tad From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Aug 9 17:37:03 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 16:37:03 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Joke for the weekend, Sir? Or, is it a "shaggy dog" story? In-Reply-To: <3F33DCF2.6F3EA3D6@rcn.com> Message-ID: <000501c35e8c$149d6e80$d8d0883e@oemcomputer> I was walking down a leafy road in Liverpool when I saw a sign outside a house, "Talking Dog for Sale, £10." Now, I'm a sucker for animals at the best of times but the thought of acquiring a dog that talks was too much! I knocked at the door. It opened and I was greeted by a very ordinary, slight looking man with a balding head. "Hello, I believe you have a talking dog for sale?" "Sure. Come in and go through to the back garden," he replied. As I walked through I noticed some cheap hi fi ... some of those nasty stackable Hitachi mini units! Yuck! Outside I was greeted by a friendly looking Labrador dog, wagging his big tail. He was a little grey around the muzzle but was still bright-eyed and lively. "Hello, old boy! How are you?" I said, in my usual doggy greeting voice. "Me? Oh, I'm fit as a fiddle!" the dog replied. I was astonished. It really did talk! "So, when did you start talking?" I enquired. "Oh, I was just a puppy," he replied, "just won best in breed competition at Crufts for the under 1-year old category. I bought myself some English language tapes and a Nakamichi Dragon cassette deck to play them on and taught myself. Pretty good I've become, too. So good the CIA used to use me for spying on world leaders but I got tired of all the jet-setting and took a quieter job in airport security where I'd spy on the travellers and spot the smugglers and terrorists." I was bemused and turned to the dog's owner and said, "He did all that and you only want £10 for him?" He replied, "Ah, he's a liar - he's never owned a Nakamichi." > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.507 / Virus Database: 304 - Release Date: 04/08/03 From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Aug 9 15:15:16 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 09:15:16 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR1 flutter problem References: <1074.172.139.93.158.1060383108.squirrel@www.noctrl.edu> Message-ID: <3F34F3E4.FB6D81D2@rcn.com> Try lubricating the capstan bearing. You do this by first setting the deck on its back. Lift the washer from the capstan base, about 1/16". Put a couple of light machine oil on the capstan base. Work the capstan up and down to work the oil into the bearing. Let stand awhile, then add another drop of oil. Finish by wiping off excess oil, then slide the washer back to the base. Thoroughly clean the capstan and pinch roller with alcohol or MEK. -- Ron Robert Lehe wrote: > > Hello again, > > I am sorry to pester the good people of Naktalks again but I have another > problem. A couple weeks ago I got a CR1 on ebay for dirt cheap, and have > been enjoying it very much. But in the few couple of days it has > developed a flutter problem. At first it was only on some tapes for the > first few minutes near the beginning of a cassette. But it is getting > worse and more pervasive. I have cleaned the pinch roller, the main drive > belt and drive pulley. But the flutter is defintely there. The belt > looks fine. Any ideas? Advice? What are the most likely offenders and > solutions? Is this likely to cost more to fix than to replace? Should I > cut my losses and move on? Thanks in advance for any help fortcoming! > > Tad From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Aug 9 15:17:36 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 09:17:36 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 E idler fix question Message-ID: <3F34F470.F9EA0B54@rcn.com> You can order the idler tire as part # 32-5665 from: http://www.mcmelectronics.com/ I append the instructions here (DOC file). If they do not come through the naks.com remailer, let me know and I will email them directly to you (and anyone else that wants them). -- Ron Zhdan's abbo wrote: > > Hi Ron, thanks for your hints and tips. Can you please send instructions on > replacing the idler tire, and where I can buy one? > thanks, > Zhdan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: "Zhdan's abbo" ; "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 7:15 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-300 E idler fix question > > > > Zhdan's abbo wrote: > > > > > > Hi, I have a BX-300 E and my fast forward and reverse are no longer > working > > > well. They say the idler wheel needs replacement. I also understand > that > > > idler tires exist as well. > > > > > > My question is, is it sufficient just to change the idler tire, or does > the > > > entire wheel need replacement? > > > > The idler itself rarely needs replacement. All you need > > to do is replace the tire. > > > > > Further, if only the tire needs replacement, what if I just glue a > regular > > > water tap washer on it? Will this work? > > > > Not a good idea. The tap washer is designed for a completely > > different purpose. Highly unlikely this will work. > > > > > What will happen with the speed of > > > the play-back if I do so, since the diameter of the idler wheel will not > be > > > the standard one? > > > > Speed is governed by the capstan, not the take-up reel. However, > > the tap washer will not work for a multitude of other reasons. > > > > > I also read that there is a possibility to tighten a spring on the idler > > > system. Can anyone explain that? > > > > The idler arm and both hubs are spring loaded. The purpose > > of the springs is to maintain correct height while allowing > > free vertical motion. Unless a spring is damaged, I wouldn't > > touch it. None of the springs is normally accessible. > > > > Note: to test the spring tension, you may push down on the > > base of the plastic idler arm, directly under the pulley. > > Never (and I mean, NEVER) push down on the idler -- you will > > very likely break the arm. > > > > > Does anyone have a service manual in electronic form? > > > > A portion of the service manual was available on the Naks.com > > ftp area. Ask Wouter (nicely) for download access. If this > > doesn't work, please let me know. Be aware, though, that > > the service manual does not offer instructions for replacing > > the idler tire. Let me know if you want those. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > zhs at tiscali.fr -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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A couple weeks ago I got a CR1 on ebay for dirt cheap, and have been enjoying it very much. But in the few couple of days it has developed a flutter problem. At first it was only on some tapes for the first few minutes near the beginning of a cassette. But it is getting worse and more pervasive. I have cleaned the pinch roller, the main drive belt and drive pulley. But the flutter is defintely there. The belt looks fine. Any ideas? Advice? What are the most likely offenders and solutions? Is this likely to cost more to fix than to replace? Should I cut my losses and move on? Thanks in advance for any help fortcoming! Tad From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Sat Aug 9 20:00:18 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 20:00:18 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Talking Dog!! Message-ID: Now that's brilliant Graham!! Best wishes, Marc The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. 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From kjbleus at charter.net Sun Aug 10 06:16:33 2003 From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 23:16:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Tape Info Message-ID: <001301c35ef6$2eb845a0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6> Another nice piece of reference info..... http://www.melofanas.lt/1left/kol/kolekcija_sarasas.htm When you want to have a visual of almost any classic cassette tape, in the original wrapper! Regards, Bleus de Nakker Madison, Wisc USA kjbleus at charter.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dkw at hetnet.nl Sun Aug 10 08:27:00 2003 From: dkw at hetnet.nl (dkw) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 08:27:00 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 700 Tri Tracer recording?? Message-ID: <003b01c35f08$6856c540$598e3591@computer> Hello all, I'am the proud owner of a Nak 700 Tri Tracer 1976. Plays excellent pre-recorded tapes. All function push buttons VU meters a.s.o. are working. The ( only) problem is recording. The control lights and buttons are in the recording position, the VU meters are showing the incoming signal, I can hear the incoming "sound" when pressing the button "Source" . So , all seems to be working. The problem is that in this recording procedure, the pre recorded music on the tape has been erased , as it should be. But NO new recorded sound can be heard when playing back. Bottom line: when recording the Tape heads are erasing but probably not recording. When testing ( I'm not an audio fixer) in recording position I can "scratch" with a small screwdriver on the weldings on the back of the recording head. I can hear this "touching" in my headphone. Also when I put some kind of magnetic field towards the recording head the VU meters are registrating this pulse. So "electric wise" all seems to be in good order. WHY no recording?? Anyone any suggestions?? I took the machine apart to clean all contacts with slots, but No result. It's probably NOT an orange cap disease as I can't find any of those on a 700 Thanks Dirk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jvbrhg at seanet.com Sat Aug 9 19:11:56 2003 From: jvbrhg at seanet.com (Babin/Greseth) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 10:11:56 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 Info Message-ID: <000a01c35e99$58b26780$fb1c0cd0@r7g1f8> Nak Friends- Seems I read on the site that the A in CR7A means for export to America. Is that correct? I am considering buying a CR7 from a friend. It has no A on the type. Would this mean that it was purchased in Japan? Any other thoughts on the CR7 model? I wish I had bought one when they came out, but missed the boat. Also, I use isopropyl alcohol to clean capstans and heads. What should I use to clean rubber parts, pinch rollers etc? 3rd question: When I am adjusting the bias on my 680ZX, sometimes the flourscan meter will not stay right on the "zero" mark. It jumps one mark up and back and then one mark back and then to zero. This happens mostly on TDK metal tape. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance for you time, Randall in Seattle, USA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jvbrhg at seanet.com Sat Aug 9 19:12:48 2003 From: jvbrhg at seanet.com (Babin/Greseth) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 10:12:48 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR1 flutter problem References: <1074.172.139.93.158.1060383108.squirrel@www.noctrl.edu> <3F34F3E4.FB6D81D2@rcn.com> Message-ID: <000d01c35e99$758a21e0$fb1c0cd0@r7g1f8> What is MEK ?? Randall in Seattle, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 6:15 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR1 flutter problem > > Try lubricating the capstan bearing. You do this by first > setting the deck on its back. Lift the washer from the > capstan base, about 1/16". Put a couple of light machine > oil on the capstan base. Work the capstan up and down to > work the oil into the bearing. Let stand awhile, then add > another drop of oil. Finish by wiping off excess oil, then > slide the washer back to the base. Thoroughly clean the > capstan and pinch roller with alcohol or MEK. > > -- Ron > > > Robert Lehe wrote: > > > > Hello again, > > > > I am sorry to pester the good people of Naktalks again but I have another > > problem. A couple weeks ago I got a CR1 on ebay for dirt cheap, and have > > been enjoying it very much. But in the few couple of days it has > > developed a flutter problem. At first it was only on some tapes for the > > first few minutes near the beginning of a cassette. But it is getting > > worse and more pervasive. I have cleaned the pinch roller, the main drive > > belt and drive pulley. But the flutter is defintely there. The belt > > looks fine. Any ideas? Advice? What are the most likely offenders and > > solutions? Is this likely to cost more to fix than to replace? Should I > > cut my losses and move on? Thanks in advance for any help fortcoming! > > > > Tad > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From mcook17 at bellsouth.net Sat Aug 9 21:03:57 2003 From: mcook17 at bellsouth.net (Michael R. Cook) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 15:03:57 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Record Head Azimuth on 582 Message-ID: <000801c35ea8$fcacb700$6401a8c0@sdf.bellsouth.net> Greetings everyone. While studying the 582 user manual, it refers to a supplement that discusses record head azimuth alignment. Does anyone have any information about how this adjustment is made? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rtl at noctrl.edu Sun Aug 10 04:45:24 2003 From: rtl at noctrl.edu (Robert Lehe) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 21:45:24 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR1 flutter problem In-Reply-To: <003c01c35e96$af08ca00$c5299bca@smarzuki> References: <1074.172.139.93.158.1060383108.squirrel@www.noctrl.edu> <003c01c35e96$af08ca00$c5299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <2522.207.14.76.151.1060483524.squirrel@www.noctrl.edu> Salim, Thanks for your help. I was not planning to do the gear/idler switch until the idler in the BX300 conks out. Until then, and even after I do that, I would hope to be able to use the CR1, especially to play my old tapes, for which it is a better match, in terms of the playback eq. So I am hoping to fix the flutter problem. Best, Tad > Hey Tad, if everything else fail you can use CR1 as BX300's gear upgrade > as your earlier intention. Can't think of a specific cause but I might > give it a good complete diy overhaul - as even a worn or clogged up > pinch roller shaft can give similar flutter. I guess not much can go > wrong on CR1 mechanism. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Robert Lehe > To: Naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 5:51 AM > Subject: [naktalk] CR1 flutter problem > > > Hello again, > > I am sorry to pester the good people of Naktalks again but I have > another problem. A couple weeks ago I got a CR1 on ebay for dirt cheap, > and have been enjoying it very much. But in the few couple of days it > has > developed a flutter problem. At first it was only on some tapes for the > first few minutes near the beginning of a cassette. But it is getting > worse and more pervasive. I have cleaned the pinch roller, the main > drive belt and drive pulley. But the flutter is defintely there. The > belt looks fine. Any ideas? Advice? What are the most likely offenders > and solutions? Is this likely to cost more to fix than to replace? > Should I cut my losses and move on? Thanks in advance for any help > fortcoming! > > Tad > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From rtl at noctrl.edu Sun Aug 10 04:48:21 2003 From: rtl at noctrl.edu (Robert Lehe) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 21:48:21 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR1 flutter problem In-Reply-To: <003c01c35e96$af08ca00$c5299bca@smarzuki> References: <1074.172.139.93.158.1060383108.squirrel@www.noctrl.edu> <003c01c35e96$af08ca00$c5299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <2529.207.14.76.151.1060483701.squirrel@www.noctrl.edu> Salim, Another thing, I am not sure what all would be included in a diy overall. Do you agree with the suggestion to oil the capstan bearing? Tad > Hey Tad, if everything else fail you can use CR1 as BX300's gear upgrade > as your earlier intention. Can't think of a specific cause but I might > give it a good complete diy overhaul - as even a worn or clogged up > pinch roller shaft can give similar flutter. I guess not much can go > wrong on CR1 mechanism. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Robert Lehe > To: Naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 5:51 AM > Subject: [naktalk] CR1 flutter problem > > > Hello again, > > I am sorry to pester the good people of Naktalks again but I have > another problem. A couple weeks ago I got a CR1 on ebay for dirt cheap, > and have been enjoying it very much. But in the few couple of days it > has > developed a flutter problem. At first it was only on some tapes for the > first few minutes near the beginning of a cassette. But it is getting > worse and more pervasive. I have cleaned the pinch roller, the main > drive belt and drive pulley. But the flutter is defintely there. The > belt looks fine. Any ideas? Advice? What are the most likely offenders > and solutions? Is this likely to cost more to fix than to replace? > Should I cut my losses and move on? Thanks in advance for any help > fortcoming! > > Tad > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Aug 9 20:19:40 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 14:19:40 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Talking Dog!! References: Message-ID: <3F353B3C.8F742FBF@rcn.com> Graham's story reminded me of the Engineer who found a frog. The frog said, "Kiss me and I will turn into a beautiful princess". The engineer just put the frog in his pocket. The frog cried again, "Kiss me and I will turn into a beautiful princess and stay with you for a week". The engineer still paid no attention. The frog said "Kiss me and I will turn into a beautiful princess, stay with you for a week and do anything you want." The engineer still kept quiet. The frog yelled, "What else do you want?". The engineer said: "I am too busy for dating and have no use for princesses. On the other hand, a talking frog is a cool thing to have". Too bad there is no Nakamichi deck in this story. -- Ron Mark Hugo wrote: > > Now that's brilliant Graham!! > > Best wishes, > > Marc > > The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject > to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more > attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the > named recipient/s. > > If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose > or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. > If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to > this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. > > All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present > in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising > from the use of this email or attachments. =======---------------------------------------------------------========= From rtl at noctrl.edu Sun Aug 10 04:51:27 2003 From: rtl at noctrl.edu (Robert Lehe) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 21:51:27 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR1 flutter problem In-Reply-To: <3F34F3E4.FB6D81D2@rcn.com> References: <1074.172.139.93.158.1060383108.squirrel@www.noctrl.edu> <3F34F3E4.FB6D81D2@rcn.com> Message-ID: <2536.207.14.76.151.1060483887.squirrel@www.noctrl.edu> Ron, Thanks for the suggestion. Is the capstan bearing supposed to be oiled regularly, or is this a deparation move? I thought bearings like that were usually dry. Tad > Try lubricating the capstan bearing. You do this by first > setting the deck on its back. Lift the washer from the > capstan base, about 1/16". Put a couple of light machine > oil on the capstan base. Work the capstan up and down to > work the oil into the bearing. Let stand awhile, then add > another drop of oil. Finish by wiping off excess oil, then > slide the washer back to the base. Thoroughly clean the > capstan and pinch roller with alcohol or MEK. > > -- Ron > > > Robert Lehe wrote: >> >> Hello again, >> >> I am sorry to pester the good people of Naktalks again but I have >> another problem. A couple weeks ago I got a CR1 on ebay for dirt >> cheap, and have been enjoying it very much. But in the few couple of >> days it has developed a flutter problem. At first it was only on some >> tapes for the first few minutes near the beginning of a cassette. But >> it is getting worse and more pervasive. I have cleaned the pinch >> roller, the main drive belt and drive pulley. But the flutter is >> defintely there. The belt looks fine. Any ideas? Advice? What are >> the most likely offenders and solutions? Is this likely to cost more >> to fix than to replace? Should I cut my losses and move on? Thanks >> in advance for any help fortcoming! >> >> Tad > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Sun Aug 10 08:53:17 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 16:53:17 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] CR1 flutter problem Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02202188@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Tad. My guess would be some loss of lubricant on the main shaft of the capstain. If it was me I'd carefully remove the capstain and re-lube it with a suitable lubricant such as lithium grease. My second area of concern would be the reel idler wheel, perhaps there is something on the rubber portion that has made the surface bumpy and is causing this flutter. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Robert Lehe [mailto:rtl at noctrl.edu] Sent: Saturday, 9 August 2003 8:52 To: Naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] CR1 flutter problem Hello again, I am sorry to pester the good people of Naktalks again but I have another problem. A couple weeks ago I got a CR1 on ebay for dirt cheap, and have been enjoying it very much. But in the few couple of days it has developed a flutter problem. At first it was only on some tapes for the first few minutes near the beginning of a cassette. But it is getting worse and more pervasive. I have cleaned the pinch roller, the main drive belt and drive pulley. But the flutter is defintely there. The belt looks fine. Any ideas? Advice? What are the most likely offenders and solutions? Is this likely to cost more to fix than to replace? Should I cut my losses and move on? Thanks in advance for any help fortcoming! Tad ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From jerryjg at webtv.net Sun Aug 10 10:35:03 2003 From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 03:35:03 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi rx-303 Message-ID: <17362-3F3603B7-104@storefull-2236.public.lawson.webtv.net> i have an rx-303,i also have a 700,not shure which one.how good is the 303? From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Aug 10 15:07:26 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 09:07:26 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 Info References: <000a01c35e99$58b26780$fb1c0cd0@r7g1f8> Message-ID: <3F36438E.D9D8E7C0@rcn.com> > Babin/Greseth wrote: > > Nak Friends- > Seems I read on the site that the A in CR7A means for export to America. Is > that correct? Yes, it is. > I am considering buying a CR7 from a friend. It has no A on the type. > Would this mean that it was purchased in Japan? Not necessarily. It means it was *meant* for other markets than the European or American. It probably has a multi-voltage power transformer (if so, it will have a voltage selector switch or the rear panel). For use in the US, just make sure it is set to the 120VAC position. > Any other thoughts on the CR7 model? It's one excellent tape deck, combining great sonics with simplicity. It does require regular maintenance. I predict you will be very happy with it. > ... I wish I had bought one when they came out, but missed the > boat. > > Also, I use isopropyl alcohol to clean capstans and heads. What should I > use to clean rubber parts, pinch rollers etc? Use the same isopropyl alcohol. -- Ron > 3rd question: When I am adjusting the bias on my 680ZX, sometimes the > flourscan meter will not stay right on the "zero" mark. It jumps one mark > up and back and then one mark back and then to zero. This happens mostly on > TDK metal tape. Any thoughts? > > Thanks in advance for you time, > Randall in Seattle, USA > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Sun Aug 10 16:29:31 2003 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 10:29:31 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Tape Info References: <001301c35ef6$2eb845a0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6> Message-ID: <009601c35f4b$d0bb2f20$24106343@johnnyrotten> That's amazing Bleus, do you think he has one sample of each tape! I bookmarked that site. Any update on the marathon tapes yet? Cheers, John T. ----- Original Message ----- From: KJ Bleus To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: KJ Bleus Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 12:16 AM Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Tape Info Another nice piece of reference info..... http://www.melofanas.lt/1left/kol/kolekcija_sarasas.htm When you want to have a visual of almost any classic cassette tape, in the original wrapper! Regards, Bleus de Nakker Madison, Wisc USA kjbleus at charter.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Aug 10 17:40:59 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 16:40:59 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Tape Info In-Reply-To: <001301c35ef6$2eb845a0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6> Message-ID: <000501c35f55$cbffbe60$059b4c51@oemcomputer> Very interesting. Always guessed there must be brands I'd never seen or heard of before and there are plenty of them in this amazing list. Pity it's not possible to compare them all, like the Tuner Shootout on http://www.fmtunerinfo.com/ , to find out which are the top 10 tapes ... Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of KJ Bleus Sent: 10 August 2003 05:17 To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: KJ Bleus Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Tape Info Another nice piece of reference info..... http://www.melofanas.lt/1left/kol/kolekcija_sarasas.htm When you want to have a visual of almost any classic cassette tape, in the original wrapper! Regards, Bleus de Nakker Madison, Wisc USA kjbleus at charter.net --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.507 / Virus Database: 304 - Release Date: 04/08/03 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Sun Aug 10 20:13:13 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 20:13:13 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Tape Info; Blues and Gra' Message-ID: Hi Blues and Graham, Melofanas is a great site, I really enjoy it and often go there. It's like a libray and yet, good as it is, it is not exhaustive. But it's still the best that I know of. As a person who has started collecting unwrapped cassettes very late in the game, and am gathering a useful stash for recording into the foreseeable future too, I have learned that it's very hard to work out which are the best tapes (i.e. top 5, 10 etc). This is because despite fully metered manual or autormatic calibration systems, some tapes just work better with some decks and not very well with others. I have a variety of decks that all have their indiosyncracies. Perhaps it's to do with bias frequencies, the total available bias currents, the head shape and design, (materials), how the NR circuits perform with the particular formulation etc. The IEC standards were invariably deviated from by tape manufacturers as they jockied to get a lead in the market by developing new particle formulae. The huge variety of cassettes and their unpredictable performance from one deck to another is what made home (magnetic) recording a hobby for the enthusiast and a frustrating minefield for joe average. The latter is now recording to digital media and I am still having fun. Cheers all, Marc >>> kjbleus at charter.net 08/10/03 06:16AM >>> Another nice piece of reference info..... http://www.melofanas.lt/1left/kol/kolekcija_sarasas.htm When you want to have a visual of almost any classic cassette tape, in the original wrapper! Regards, Bleus de Nakker Madison, Wisc USA kjbleus at charter.net The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Aug 10 20:25:16 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 19:25:16 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Maxell CD cassette range In-Reply-To: <009601c35f4b$d0bb2f20$24106343@johnnyrotten> Message-ID: <000001c35f6c$bf7c31c0$139b4c51@oemcomputer> Anyone tried these "metal" cassettes before? Are they any good? Gra' --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.507 / Virus Database: 304 - Release Date: 04/08/03 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Aug 10 20:14:50 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 01:14:50 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR1 flutter problem References: <1074.172.139.93.158.1060383108.squirrel@www.noctrl.edu> <003c01c35e96$af08ca00$c5299bca@smarzuki> <2529.207.14.76.151.1060483701.squirrel@www.noctrl.edu> Message-ID: <004d01c35f6b$4a9935c0$87299bca@smarzuki> Hi Tad, What I meant by diy overhaul is giving the mechanism a full complete cleanup (and overhaul if necessary), but as a first aid you can try lubricating the capstan from the outside that Ron suggested, usually that's should cure the CR (regular) problem. The capstan needs a good enough lube and protected from dirt. It might also be electronics problem - but as with all Naks get the mechanism right before messing with the electronics. You won't need to tinker with the idler as CR1-4s are gear driven. Good luck ! Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Lehe Salim, Another thing, I am not sure what all would be included in a diy overall. Do you agree with the suggestion to oil the capstan bearing? Tad From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Aug 10 20:15:18 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 01:15:18 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Talking Dog!! References: <3F353B3C.8F742FBF@rcn.com> Message-ID: <004e01c35f6b$5af74600$87299bca@smarzuki> Then it should be on audiotalk !!! :-D That's a good one Ron ! ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron The engineer said: "I am too busy for dating and have no use for princesses. On the other hand, a talking frog is a cool thing to have". Too bad there is no Nakamichi deck in this story. -- Ron From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Aug 10 23:39:37 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 17:39:37 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Door pneumatic damper Message-ID: <3F36BB99.E5F7DE10@rcn.com> Recently, I've encountered a barrage of bad dampers, all on Sankyo transports (of course :-) ). The damper P/N is CA80006A. The fault is always the same: the door blows open, with no damping to speak of. Cleaning doesn't help that much, or -- if it does -- only for a short while. Does anyone have an idea of how to repair these dampers? Will a new O-ring help? If so, where does one get them? I haven't called Nakamichi about the part. I suspect that, even if they still stock them, the price will not be justifiable for BX-1 or BX-100 type decks. -- Ron From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Sun Aug 10 23:58:13 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 07:58:13 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Maxell CD cassette range Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0220218B@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Which model in particular? I've tried the MX-S and the MX range, both sound excellent. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Monday, 11 August 2003 4:25 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Maxell CD cassette range Anyone tried these "metal" cassettes before? Are they any good? Gra' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Also, I use isopropyl alcohol to clean capstans and heads. What should I use to clean rubber parts, pinch rollers etc? 3rd question: When I am adjusting the bias on my 680ZX, sometimes the flourscan meter will not stay right on the "zero" mark. It jumps one mark up and back and then one mark back and then to zero. This happens mostly on TDK metal tape. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance for you time, Randall in Seattle, USA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Aug 11 00:09:49 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 08:09:49 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] 700 Tri Tracer recording?? Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0220218D@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Dirk. I guess that your 700 record head amp stage is not receiving the input signal. I would use an oscilliscope to trace the signal and see where it stops, however, if you are not technically minded I would send it to a reputable repairer. Try and avoid touching the record heads with the screwdriver while it is in record mode, there is a slim chance you could damage the electronics by doing this. Just my 2 cents. Regards, Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: dkw [mailto:dkw at hetnet.nl] Sent: Sunday, 10 August 2003 4:27 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] 700 Tri Tracer recording?? Hello all, I'am the proud owner of a Nak 700 Tri Tracer 1976. Plays excellent pre-recorded tapes. All function push buttons VU meters a.s.o. are working. The ( only) problem is recording. The control lights and buttons are in the recording position, the VU meters are showing the incoming signal, I can hear the incoming "sound" when pressing the button "Source" . So , all seems to be working. The problem is that in this recording procedure, the pre recorded music on the tape has been erased , as it should be. But NO new recorded sound can be heard when playing back. Bottom line: when recording the Tape heads are erasing but probably not recording. When testing ( I'm not an audio fixer) in recording position I can "scratch" with a small screwdriver on the weldings on the back of the recording head. I can hear this "touching" in my headphone. Also when I put some kind of magnetic field towards the recording head the VU meters are registrating this pulse. So "electric wise" all seems to be in good order. WHY no recording?? Anyone any suggestions?? I took the machine apart to clean all contacts with slots, but No result. It's probably NOT an orange cap disease as I can't find any of those on a 700 Thanks Dirk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Aug 11 00:59:39 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 23:59:39 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Maxell CD cassette range In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0220218B@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <001001c35f93$13988620$a8854c51@oemcomputer> They are the CD range. Mark advises that they are very similar to the MX range but, by the sounds of it, put together in a cheaper casing. He advises me "The Maxell "CD" Metal is a very good tape and is in my experience very similar in every way (quite likely the same tape) to the erstwhile Maxell MX. However, the shell is very different, as are the tape guide rollers. The shell is lighter than the MX and the overall precision of the tape is of a lesser order - not quite as smooth and quiet running. Nonetheless, I did not detect any cassette originated modulation noise (an estimate I make on double capstan decks). " Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos Sent: 10 August 2003 22:58 To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Maxell CD cassette range Which model in particular? I've tried the MX-S and the MX range, both sound excellent. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Monday, 11 August 2003 4:25 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Maxell CD cassette range Anyone tried these "metal" cassettes before? Are they any good? Gra' --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.507 / Virus Database: 304 - Release Date: 04/08/03 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jvbrhg at seanet.com Mon Aug 11 05:22:03 2003 From: jvbrhg at seanet.com (Babin/Greseth) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 20:22:03 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 Info References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0220218C@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <007201c35fb7$beb20ee0$841b0cd0@r7g1f8> It happens on both, and more so on metal tape. The usual Maxell XS90s that I use don't seem to do it much. Recently though I have switched to TDK metal. I think I like it better. Randall -- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 3:05 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR7 Info Hi Randall. I too suffer the same with my 680ZX, can you tell me which channel it is doing it on (left, right or both)? Don't worry too much, the recordings still sound great on it. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Babin/Greseth [mailto:jvbrhg at seanet.com] Sent: Sunday, 10 August 2003 3:12 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] CR7 Info Nak Friends- Seems I read on the site that the A in CR7A means for export to America. Is that correct? I am considering buying a CR7 from a friend. It has no A on the type. Would this mean that it was purchased in Japan? Any other thoughts on the CR7 model? I wish I had bought one when they came out, but missed the boat. Also, I use isopropyl alcohol to clean capstans and heads. What should I use to clean rubber parts, pinch rollers etc? 3rd question: When I am adjusting the bias on my 680ZX, sometimes the flourscan meter will not stay right on the "zero" mark. It jumps one mark up and back and then one mark back and then to zero. This happens mostly on TDK metal tape. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance for you time, Randall in Seattle, USA ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Aug 11 03:50:20 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 08:50:20 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Door pneumatic damper References: <3F36BB99.E5F7DE10@rcn.com> Message-ID: <000401c35faa$ece649a0$a5299bca@smarzuki> Hi Ron, Have you tried tightening the screw on the back of damper ? It was difficult (and 'disheartening') to do, I can just imagine the sound, "crack", but worked well on one BX100 once. Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Recently, I've encountered a barrage of bad dampers, all on Sankyo transports (of course :-) ). The damper P/N is CA80006A. The fault is always the same: the door blows open, with no damping to speak of. Cleaning doesn't help that much, or -- if it does -- only for a short while. Does anyone have an idea of how to repair these dampers? Will a new O-ring help? If so, where does one get them? I haven't called Nakamichi about the part. I suspect that, even if they still stock them, the price will not be justifiable for BX-1 or BX-100 type decks. -- Ron From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Aug 11 04:47:59 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 12:47:59 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Maxell CD cassette range Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02202190@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> I have the high position CD range. Yes you are spot on about the description - cheap casing but decent tape. I guess the metal range would be the same. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Monday, 11 August 2003 9:00 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Maxell CD cassette range They are the CD range. Mark advises that they are very similar to the MX range but, by the sounds of it, put together in a cheaper casing. He advises me "The Maxell "CD" Metal is a very good tape and is in my experience very similar in every way (quite likely the same tape) to the erstwhile Maxell MX. However, the shell is very different, as are the tape guide rollers. The shell is lighter than the MX and the overall precision of the tape is of a lesser order - not quite as smooth and quiet running. Nonetheless, I did not detect any cassette originated modulation noise (an estimate I make on double capstan decks). " Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos Sent: 10 August 2003 22:58 To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Maxell CD cassette range Which model in particular? I've tried the MX-S and the MX range, both sound excellent. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Monday, 11 August 2003 4:25 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Maxell CD cassette range Anyone tried these "metal" cassettes before? Are they any good? Gra' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Aug 11 13:06:34 2003 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 05:06:34 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 700 Tri Tracer recording?? References: <003b01c35f08$6856c540$598e3591@computer> Message-ID: <00ff01c35ff8$a63bf060$aa3442cf@steve> This sounds like another case of poor contact in the circuit board edge connectors on the main board. See previous naktalk post from me on the subject. Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer Talking Dog Transducer Company http://stephensank.com 5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] 505-332-0336 Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer Payments preferred through Paypal.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "dkw" To: Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 12:27 AM Subject: [naktalk] 700 Tri Tracer recording?? Hello all, I'am the proud owner of a Nak 700 Tri Tracer 1976. Plays excellent pre-recorded tapes. All function push buttons VU meters a.s.o. are working. The ( only) problem is recording. The control lights and buttons are in the recording position, the VU meters are showing the incoming signal, I can hear the incoming "sound" when pressing the button "Source" . So , all seems to be working. The problem is that in this recording procedure, the pre recorded music on the tape has been erased , as it should be. But NO new recorded sound can be heard when playing back. Bottom line: when recording the Tape heads are erasing but probably not recording. When testing ( I'm not an audio fixer) in recording position I can "scratch" with a small screwdriver on the weldings on the back of the recording head. I can hear this "touching" in my headphone. Also when I put some kind of magnetic field towards the recording head the VU meters are registrating this pulse. So "electric wise" all seems to be in good order. WHY no recording?? Anyone any suggestions?? I took the machine apart to clean all contacts with slots, but No result. It's probably NOT an orange cap disease as I can't find any of those on a 700 Thanks Dirk ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Aug 11 13:09:25 2003 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 05:09:25 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 Info References: <000a01c35e99$58b26780$fb1c0cd0@r7g1f8> Message-ID: <010001c35ff9$0745dba0$aa3442cf@steve> The CR7 would be the "general export" model for Asia, Africa & etc. I use methyl ethyl ketone, MEK, for all head & roller cleaning. Nothing works better. Also an excellent flux remover for circuit boards. The meter wandering on the 680ZX is pretty normal. It's also a good way to judge tape quality, as the more wandering you see, the worse the tape is. Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer Talking Dog Transducer Company http://stephensank.com 5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] 505-332-0336 Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer Payments preferred through Paypal.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Babin/Greseth" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 11:11 AM Subject: [naktalk] CR7 Info Nak Friends- Seems I read on the site that the A in CR7A means for export to America. Is that correct? I am considering buying a CR7 from a friend. It has no A on the type. Would this mean that it was purchased in Japan? Any other thoughts on the CR7 model? I wish I had bought one when they came out, but missed the boat. Also, I use isopropyl alcohol to clean capstans and heads. What should I use to clean rubber parts, pinch rollers etc? 3rd question: When I am adjusting the bias on my 680ZX, sometimes the flourscan meter will not stay right on the "zero" mark. It jumps one mark up and back and then one mark back and then to zero. This happens mostly on TDK metal tape. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance for you time, Randall in Seattle, USA ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From one2rock at vogue.co.uk Mon Aug 11 14:04:43 2003 From: one2rock at vogue.co.uk (MB) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 14:04:43 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Would anyone swap their Dragon for a CR-7? Message-ID: <3F37865B.90CF2BC0@vogue.co.uk> Hi, I resently found myself in the dilemma of having to wait for a Dragon to turn up or buy a readily available CR-7. The CR-7 looks awesome but I really like the idea of the Dragon's automatic playback azimuth adjustment cababilities. What would you choose? Pros and Cons? Features and serviceablilty? ->Michael From jerryjg at webtv.net Mon Aug 11 14:20:17 2003 From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 07:20:17 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [naktalk] rx303,nak 700 tri-tracer Message-ID: <1237-3F378A01-2511@storefull-2232.public.lawson.webtv.net> i am the father of two little nakamichis,the RX 303 and the 700 tri-tracer, both in as excellent condition in and out. What do the experts think about the RX-303 in terms of sonic quality and functionality? what about the Tri-tracer.im cosidering keeping only one.Which one would be the best choice o keep? i really havent listened to either one,as my stereo is mothballed till i can set it up permanantly someday.thank you From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Aug 11 15:09:27 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 20:09:27 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Would anyone swap their Dragon for a CR-7? References: <3F37865B.90CF2BC0@vogue.co.uk> Message-ID: <004e01c3600a$3d9f5ee0$2f299bca@smarzuki> Hi Michael, I am a Dragon fan so here's my biased opinion. If you mostly use the deck for recording, get the CR7 (myself preferred all manual ZX9 though) ... but for playback purposes nothing beats automatic Dragon ! I would give up the convenience and features of Dragon only to the special sounding but somewhat problematic 700 ZXL or 1000ZXL. Well, if I can only have one Nak it will be a Dragon. =) Up to this moment I read very little complaint on CR7 apart from 'common' CR sticky capstans or mode cam motor fault. However, over here I have found 4 worn dragon pb head (not 5 as I metioned previously) out of total 6 encountered, probably victim of auto reverse convenience ? If your Dragon's pb head is in good condition and set up properly (i.e. no reverse pb problem etc) it should require little maintenance despite the complicated innards. Better yet, get the CR7 now and sell it later once you find a v.g.c. Dragon. :-) Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: MB To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 7:04 PM Subject: [naktalk] Would anyone swap their Dragon for a CR-7? Hi, I resently found myself in the dilemma of having to wait for a Dragon to turn up or buy a readily available CR-7. The CR-7 looks awesome but I really like the idea of the Dragon's automatic playback azimuth adjustment cababilities. What would you choose? Pros and Cons? Features and serviceablilty? ->Michael From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Aug 11 15:44:06 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 09:44:06 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Door pneumatic damper References: <3F36BB99.E5F7DE10@rcn.com> <000401c35faa$ece649a0$a5299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3F379DA6.42042493@rcn.com> Of course, I did. It has worked in the past, but these dampers are just as bad with the screw all the way in. -- Ron Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Hi Ron, > > Have you tried tightening the screw on the back of damper ? It was > difficult (and 'disheartening') to do, I can just imagine the sound, > "crack", but worked well on one BX100 once. > > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ron > > Recently, I've encountered a barrage of bad dampers, all on Sankyo > transports (of course :-) ). The damper P/N is CA80006A. The fault > is always the same: the door blows open, with no damping to speak > of. Cleaning doesn't help that much, or -- if it does -- only for > a short while. > > Does anyone have an idea of how to repair these dampers? Will a new > O-ring help? If so, where does one get them? I haven't called > Nakamichi about the part. I suspect that, even if they still stock > them, the price will not be justifiable for BX-1 or BX-100 type > decks. > > -- Ron From marcdenis at iquebec.com Mon Aug 11 16:31:12 2003 From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 10:31:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 Info In-Reply-To: <000a01c35e99$58b26780$fb1c0cd0@r7g1f8> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20030811102621.032d22d0@pop.iquebec.com> At 10:11 2003/08/09 -0700, you wrote: >Nak Friends- >Seems I read on the site that the A in CR7A means for export to America. >Is that correct? > >I am considering buying a CR7 from a friend. It has no A on the >type. Would this mean that it was purchased in Japan? Any other thoughts >on the CR7 model? I wish I had bought one when they came out, but missed >the boat. The "A" means America for sure. Some non-A units were sold in Canada for a while before Nakamichi decided to standardize export models to North America. They would likely have a CSA or Ontario-Hydro sticker on the back but no voltage selector. From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Aug 11 16:33:09 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 21:33:09 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Door pneumatic damper References: <3F36BB99.E5F7DE10@rcn.com> <000401c35faa$ece649a0$a5299bca@smarzuki> <3F379DA6.42042493@rcn.com> Message-ID: <005d01c36018$90b88800$2f299bca@smarzuki> Interesting. The ones I have problems with are older Naks damper which has a small hole in effect controlling the damper motion, easier to 'tweak' but more difficult to get a linear soft motion. Sprayed WD40 inside one of it once and it barely wants to open. I guess a new ring would help, in case of emergency I usually put a thin tape inside the ring seat (if there's any) to expand it a little .. works like charm on BX idler =). Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 8:44 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Door pneumatic damper Of course, I did. It has worked in the past, but these dampers are just as bad with the screw all the way in. -- Ron Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Hi Ron, > > Have you tried tightening the screw on the back of damper ? It was > difficult (and 'disheartening') to do, I can just imagine the sound, > "crack", but worked well on one BX100 once. > > Salim SM From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Aug 11 23:38:57 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 22:38:57 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Would anyone swap their Dragon for a CR-7? In-Reply-To: <3F37865B.90CF2BC0@vogue.co.uk> Message-ID: <000001c36050$f8b27140$55ac87d9@oemcomputer> Tough one ... For recording, I'd choose the CR7. But for playback, I'd probably choose the Dragon ... Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of MB > Sent: 11 August 2003 13:05 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Would anyone swap their Dragon for a CR-7? > > > Hi, > > I resently found myself in the dilemma of having to wait for a Dragon to > turn up or > buy a readily available CR-7. The CR-7 looks awesome but I really like > the idea > of the Dragon's automatic playback azimuth adjustment cababilities. > > What would you choose? > Pros and Cons? > Features and serviceablilty? > > ->Michael > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.507 / Virus Database: 304 - Release Date: 04/08/03 From kannan_s at vsnl.com Tue Aug 12 01:46:04 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 05:16:04 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Would anyone swap their Dragon for a CR-7? Message-ID: <20030811234604.6E29515E0D@vsnlbill.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From g_valkov at hotmail.com Tue Aug 12 09:13:43 2003 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 10:13:43 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Would anyone swap their Dragon for a CR-7? Message-ID: Super mint what ? George ----Original Message Follows---- From: kannan_s at vsnl.com Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Would anyone swap their Dragon for a CR-7? Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 05:16:04 +0530 (IST) I would suggest one Dragon and one CR7 together for all types of possibilities ( I have both!). Guys I am getting a super mint ( only used for 10 Hrs - bought four or five year back!) with its original double box/ manual and cleaning accessory from India. It is for sale to one of those lucky guy as it is really fresh! Anybody interested can contact me off list about it. kannan _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From jvbrhg at seanet.com Tue Aug 12 02:19:29 2003 From: jvbrhg at seanet.com (Babin/Greseth) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 17:19:29 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Would anyone swap their Dragon for a CR-7? References: <000001c36050$f8b27140$55ac87d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <002301c36067$6584b600$cf1b0cd0@r7g1f8> GN- Does the CR7 have auto or manual azimuth settings for record and playback? What about the Dragon. The only thing that I really know about the CR7 is that it has a real-time tape counter on it. I am debating on the Dragon or a CR7. Can you talk some more about both, or advise what reading I should do? Randall in Seattle, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nelson" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 2:38 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Would anyone swap their Dragon for a CR-7? > Tough one ... > > For recording, I'd choose the CR7. But for playback, I'd probably choose > the Dragon ... > > Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of MB > > Sent: 11 August 2003 13:05 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] Would anyone swap their Dragon for a CR-7? > > > > > > Hi, > > > > I resently found myself in the dilemma of having to wait for a Dragon to > > turn up or > > buy a readily available CR-7. The CR-7 looks awesome but I really like > > the idea > > of the Dragon's automatic playback azimuth adjustment cababilities. > > > > What would you choose? > > Pros and Cons? > > Features and serviceablilty? > > > > ->Michael > > > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.507 / Virus Database: 304 - Release Date: 04/08/03 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From mcook17 at bellsouth.net Tue Aug 12 01:15:40 2003 From: mcook17 at bellsouth.net (Michael R. Cook) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 19:15:40 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Maxell CD cassette range Message-ID: <000601c3605e$7b928ca0$6401a8c0@sdf.bellsouth.net> Are these tapes relatively new? I assume these are metal formula (MX) tapes. Question: Do those of you who use a variety of different tapes make it a practice to calibrate your deck for each tape if using a manual deck? Also, I've noticed that after calibrating to one tape, say SA, when I check a different one such as XL-II, I notice that one channel may read higher than the other. Any explanation for this? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Aug 11 21:31:27 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 15:31:27 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Door pneumatic damper References: <3F36BB99.E5F7DE10@rcn.com> <000401c35faa$ece649a0$a5299bca@smarzuki> <3F379DA6.42042493@rcn.com> <005d01c36018$90b88800$2f299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3F37EF0F.2EC49A40@rcn.com> Well, it seems the culprit was the O-ring, after all. After some search, I found a similar O-ring in the *plumbing* department at Home Depot. This O-ring is made by Danco Company, Concordville, PA. They call it '#60 O-ring'. OD=1/4", ID=1/8" and thickness=1/16". This is not exactly like the original O-ring, but fairly close. Danco also makes '#61 O-ring' that Home Depot was out of. I decided to take a chance and bought 3 (at $0.19 each). After cleaning the damper and installing the new O-ring, the damper works almost normally. I find that tightening the screw too much doesn't slow the door down, but makes it 'stutter'. I turned it back until it just started to open smoothly. -- Ron Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Interesting. The ones I have problems with are older Naks damper which has > a small hole in effect controlling the damper motion, easier to 'tweak' but > more difficult to get a linear soft motion. Sprayed WD40 inside one of it > once and it barely wants to open. I guess a new ring would help, in case of > emergency I usually put a thin tape inside the ring seat (if there's any) to > expand it a little .. works like charm on BX idler =). > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ron > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 8:44 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Door pneumatic damper > > Of course, I did. It has worked in the past, but these > dampers are just as bad with the screw all the way in. > > -- Ron > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > Hi Ron, > > > > Have you tried tightening the screw on the back of damper ? It was > > difficult (and 'disheartening') to do, I can just imagine the sound, > > "crack", but worked well on one BX100 once. > > > > Salim SM From roleo at telus.net Tue Aug 12 01:58:44 2003 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 16:58:44 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Would anyone swap their Dragon for a CR-7? References: <20030811234604.6E29515E0D@vsnlbill.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <000901c36064$7f9f5390$eca7b742@desktop> Kannan, Please clarify what deck you have for sale that is super mint, and where would it be available. Thanx, Roland ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 4:46 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Would anyone swap their Dragon for a CR-7? > I would suggest one Dragon and one CR7 together for all types of possibilities ( I have both!). > Guys I am getting a super mint ( only used for 10 Hrs - bought four or five year back!) with its original double box/ manual and cleaning accessory from India. It is for sale to one of those lucky guy as it is really fresh! Anybody interested can contact me off list about it. > kannan > > > graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk wrote > Tough one ... > > For recording, I'd choose the CR7. But for playback, I'd probably choose > the Dragon ... > > Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of MB > > Sent: 11 August 2003 13:05 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] Would anyone swap their Dragon for a CR-7? > > > > > > Hi, > > > > I resently found myself in the dilemma of having to wait for a Dragon to > > turn up or > > buy a readily available CR-7. The CR-7 looks awesome but I really like > > the idea > > of the Dragon's automatic playback azimuth adjustment cababilities. > > > > What would you choose? > > Pros and Cons? > > Features and serviceablilty? > > > > ->Michael > > > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.507 / Virus Database: 304 - Release Date: 04/08/03 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Tue Aug 12 04:11:18 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 12:11:18 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 Info Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02202194@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Randall try doing the following, clean the pinch roller, heads and capstains plus give it a good demag. Secondly have a look at the pinch roller arms (especially the left one), take the tape out close the door and press play, does the arm lift up to position correctly? When I received my 680ZX the pivot arm was not moving due to hardened grease and the levels were going up and down like a yo-yo. If it does go up then remove the front cover and while in the play mode press lightly on the pinch roller arm to see if there is sufficient "spring back". Let me know how you go. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Babin/Greseth [mailto:jvbrhg at seanet.com] Sent: Monday, 11 August 2003 1:22 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 Info It happens on both, and more so on metal tape. The usual Maxell XS90s that I use don't seem to do it much. Recently though I have switched to TDK metal. I think I like it better. Randall -- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 3:05 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR7 Info Hi Randall. I too suffer the same with my 680ZX, can you tell me which channel it is doing it on (left, right or both)? Don't worry too much, the recordings still sound great on it. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Babin/Greseth [mailto:jvbrhg at seanet.com] Sent: Sunday, 10 August 2003 3:12 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] CR7 Info Nak Friends- Seems I read on the site that the A in CR7A means for export to America. Is that correct? I am considering buying a CR7 from a friend. It has no A on the type. Would this mean that it was purchased in Japan? Any other thoughts on the CR7 model? I wish I had bought one when they came out, but missed the boat. Also, I use isopropyl alcohol to clean capstans and heads. What should I use to clean rubber parts, pinch rollers etc? 3rd question: When I am adjusting the bias on my 680ZX, sometimes the flourscan meter will not stay right on the "zero" mark. It jumps one mark up and back and then one mark back and then to zero. This happens mostly on TDK metal tape. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance for you time, Randall in Seattle, USA _____ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Tue Aug 12 04:17:32 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 12:17:32 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] rx303,nak 700 tri-tracer Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02202195@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hmm, tough choice. The two machine in question are very good indeed. If you are planning to record on Metal tapes then you best keep the RX-303, plus you have the clever auto-reverse feature. But on the otherhand the 700 is a great looking machine and built like a Sherman tank (just love those analog meters), plus you have the pitch control feature and azimuth control. I guess I'm not much help because if it was up to me I'd keep both, I'm so weak when it comes to Naks ;) Tom. -----Original Message----- From: jerryjg at webtv.net [mailto:jerryjg at webtv.net] Sent: Monday, 11 August 2003 10:20 To: Naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] rx303,nak 700 tri-tracer i am the father of two little nakamichis,the RX 303 and the 700 tri-tracer, both in as excellent condition in and out. What do the experts think about the RX-303 in terms of sonic quality and functionality? what about the Tri-tracer.im cosidering keeping only one.Which one would be the best choice o keep? i really havent listened to either one,as my stereo is mothballed till i can set it up permanantly someday.thank you ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wdrewes at iafrica.com Tue Aug 12 05:23:15 2003 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wdrewes) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 05:23:15 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Would anyone swap their Dragon for a CR-7? Message-ID: <001e01c36081$15cb5280$86251ec4@private> Kannan,what is the thing you can get from India ? What voltage does it operate on? Walter -----Original Message----- From: kannan_s at vsnl.com To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 1:54 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Would anyone swap their Dragon for a CR-7? I would suggest one Dragon and one CR7 together for all types of possibilities ( I have both!). Guys I am getting a super mint ( only used for 10 Hrs - bought four or five year back!) with its original double box/ manual and cleaning accessory from India. It is for sale to one of those lucky guy as it is really fresh! Anybody interested can contact me off list about it. kannan graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk wrote Tough one ... For recording, I'd choose the CR7. But for playback, I'd probably choose the Dragon ... Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of MB > Sent: 11 August 2003 13:05 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Would anyone swap their Dragon for a CR-7? > > > Hi, > > I resently found myself in the dilemma of having to wait for a Dragon to > turn up or > buy a readily available CR-7. The CR-7 looks awesome but I really like > the idea > of the Dragon's automatic playback azimuth adjustment cababilities. > > What would you choose? > Pros and Cons? > Features and serviceablilty? > > ->Michael > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.507 / Virus Database: 304 - Release Date: 04/08/03 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Tue Aug 12 09:44:06 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 09:44:06 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] 700ZXL losing one channel Message-ID: <12220.212.78.179.234.1060674246.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Yesterday i was with my Nak-buddy Olaf recording a tape on his 700ZXL. It was a fresh tape, calibration and everything went fine, we started recording and all was fine... THEN at some point we noticed the right channel lost about half of it's level, we first looked at the tape/source switch (changed position a lot of times, which helps to remove dust), changed position of a lot of othert switches but the problem stayed. Recording on a already recorded tape wipes what was there so i think it is not the bias circuit... What it now fails to do is do the azimuth correction, obvious because it can't record on the right channel. So what do the experts think? Should it be most feared orange disease? Wouter From ti at amb.org Tue Aug 12 10:03:04 2003 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 01:03:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Would anyone swap their Dragon for a CR-7? In-Reply-To: <002301c36067$6584b600$cf1b0cd0@r7g1f8> from "Babin/Greseth" at Aug 11, 2003 05:19:29 PM Message-ID: <200308120803.IAA23290@amb.org> Babin/Greseth writes: > Does the CR7 have auto or manual azimuth settings for record and playback? > What about the Dragon. The only thing that I really know about the CR7 is > that it has a real-time tape counter on it. I am debating on the Dragon or > a CR7. Can you talk some more about both, or advise what reading I should > do? The Dragon has automatic playback head azimuth alignment (NAAC) which works in both record and playback modes. The CR-7 auto-aligns the playback head during tape calibration (prior to recording), but provides a manual knob for playback head azimuth tuning during play, for compatibility with tapes made on other decks. The record head is "fixed" on both of these decks. Both decks provide bias and level calibration, but on the Dragon it's all manual; you push buttons and turn knobs while watching the level meters. On the CR-7 the calibration is automatic with auto tape-type sensing (you can also manually select the tape type if you want). The Dragon is auto-reverse, while the CR-7 is not. The Dragon's NAAC allows playback head alignment to be automatically perfect in both play directions, regardless of whether the tape was recorded on the same deck or another deck. The CR-7 can be used with a IR wireless remote, whereas the Dragon uses a wired remote. I think the front panel design is a more user-friendly on the CR-7 than on the Dragon. But neither are anywhere near best-of-breed in this aspect. The Dragon's counter and level meters are LEDs whereas the CR-7's are a fluorescent display. In addition, the CR-7 has a "peak hold" button for the level meter. The Dragon has a FF/REW cueing feature (where you can still hear a bit of the music while scanning). Other than that, the rest of the features are similar. Both decks have superb and comparable performance specs in keeping with being top-tier Nak models. -Ti Nakamichi Dragon -- /// Ti Kan Vorsprung durch Technik /// AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA /// ti at amb.org ////// http://www.amb.org/ti/ /// From kannan_s at vsnl.com Tue Aug 12 19:22:43 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 22:52:43 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] 700ZXL losing one channel Message-ID: <20030812172243.802C215EA4@vsnlbill.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Tue Aug 12 19:33:28 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:03:28 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Would anyone swap their Dragon for a CR-7? Message-ID: <20030812173328.9B4C815E9F@vsnlbill.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Tue Aug 12 20:08:32 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:38:32 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Door pneumatic damper Message-ID: <20030812180832.9D18E15E9C@vsnlbill.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Aug 12 20:18:23 2003 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 12:18:23 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 700ZXL losing one channel References: <12220.212.78.179.234.1060674246.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <001c01c360fe$1edc0040$853442cf@steve> This is pretty typical orange cap disease behaviour. Pretty darn safe bet. Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer Talking Dog Transducer Company http://stephensank.com 5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] 505-332-0336 Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer Payments preferred through Paypal.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wouter Heijke" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 1:44 AM Subject: [naktalk] 700ZXL losing one channel > > Yesterday i was with my Nak-buddy Olaf recording a tape on his 700ZXL. > It was a fresh tape, calibration and everything went fine, we started > recording and all was fine... > THEN at some point we noticed the right channel lost about half of it's > level, we first looked at the tape/source switch (changed position a lot > of times, which helps to remove dust), changed position of a lot of othert > switches but the problem stayed. > Recording on a already recorded tape wipes what was there so i think it is > not the bias circuit... > What it now fails to do is do the azimuth correction, obvious because it > can't record on the right channel. > > So what do the experts think? > > Should it be most feared orange disease? > > Wouter > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From wheijke at xs4all.nl Tue Aug 12 20:48:05 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 20:48:05 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 700ZXL losing one channel References: <20030812172243.802C215EA4@vsnlbill.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <3F393665.A1924BEE@xs4all.nl> Thanks Kannan & Stephen! He's quite technical and has the service manual so he will be busy i think tracing the problem. He was thinking of failing connectors on the seperate circuit boards to the main board, so he's checking on those too... It is alao a problem that occurfed before and went away, also similar to orange cap disease if you ask me. Wouter kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > Hi Wouter > this is the type of problem that auto level and bias Calibration electronic controls create incase of failure ( f what part depends on the circuite ). Level control is failing to reach the correct level on right channel( the channel having problem). In CR7 ( as well as 1000 ZXL - the AD converter converts the level position and stores it on its memory during calibration stage- and uses it to set when you choose that tape type. The DA converter adjusts that using gain elements in level setting amplifier. There can be problem in values stored in memory or failure of drivers adjusting the level. From your symptoms it is failure of the gain amplifier driver or amplifier itself that may need attention. Since this part employs Capacitors as well - there is a good possiblity of Orange cap problem! What I generally do is study the circuit first and try to understand the process and then check few of the values ( like feed 400 Hz tone on the amp/ and then 15 Khz tone at -20 db in rec > ord mode find the gain at different stages. Service manual gives expected gain of the overall gain in the form of a graph) > It is definitely an interesting problem worth touble shooting as I do not expect problem in AD/ DA converter stages but on the analogue side > kannan > > wheijke at xs4all.nl wrote > > Yesterday i was with my Nak-buddy Olaf recording a tape on his 700ZXL. > It was a fresh tape, calibration and everything went fine, we started > recording and all was fine... > THEN at some point we noticed the right channel lost about half of it's > level, we first looked at the tape/source switch (changed position a lot > of times, which helps to remove dust), changed position of a lot of othert > switches but the problem stayed. > Recording on a already recorded tape wipes what was there so i think it is > not the bias circuit... > What it now fails to do is do the azimuth correction, obvious because it > can't record on the right channel. > > So what do the experts think? > > Should it be most feared orange disease? > > Wouter > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Aug 12 21:58:02 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 20:58:02 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Maxell CD cassette range In-Reply-To: <000601c3605e$7b928ca0$6401a8c0@sdf.bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <000501c3610c$09802240$b07a893e@oemcomputer> Definitely recalibrate for every fresh tape to be recorded, even the same brand. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Michael R. Cook Sent: 12 August 2003 00:16 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Maxell CD cassette range Are these tapes relatively new? I assume these are metal formula (MX) tapes. Question: Do those of you who use a variety of different tapes make it a practice to calibrate your deck for each tape if using a manual deck? Also, I've noticed that after calibrating to one tape, say SA, when I check a different one such as XL-II, I notice that one channel may read higher than the other. Any explanation for this? --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.507 / Virus Database: 304 - Release Date: 04/08/03 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 16:56:36 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi Rx-303 Message-ID: <22532-3F396294-822@storefull-2231.public.lawson.webtv.net> is there anybody who can give me an opinion on the performance,reliability,and functionality of the RX_303? i own one rx-303 in excellent condition,also own an 700 tri-tracer and would appreciate a review of that deck as well as i may sell one of the decks. thank you very much, gerald From mcook17 at bellsouth.net Wed Aug 13 03:02:22 2003 From: mcook17 at bellsouth.net (Michael R. Cook) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 21:02:22 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Tape Info; Blues and Gra' Message-ID: <000601c36136$8ddff9a0$6501a8c0@sdf.bellsouth.net> Marc, I was checking out the Melofanas site and the question came to mind - how many tape manufacturers are currently producing tapes and where do all the Nakheads on this site go to buy them? Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Wed Aug 13 00:19:58 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 08:19:58 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Maxell CD cassette range Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0220219A@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> I definitely do calibration checks every time I use a different tape. I do notice that there will be a slight change in levels between different tapes, my guess would be the changes in the electronic components due ti aging over time (components that make up one channel may differ slightly from one to the other), and also the tape itself may have slight creases in them that may cause the imbalance. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Michael R. Cook [mailto:mcook17 at bellsouth.net] Sent: Tuesday, 12 August 2003 9:16 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Maxell CD cassette range Are these tapes relatively new? I assume these are metal formula (MX) tapes. Question: Do those of you who use a variety of different tapes make it a practice to calibrate your deck for each tape if using a manual deck? Also, I've noticed that after calibrating to one tape, say SA, when I check a different one such as XL-II, I notice that one channel may read higher than the other. Any explanation for this? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Wed Aug 13 10:14:44 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 10:14:44 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi Rx-303 Message-ID: Hi Gerald, I own neither of those decks (but have heard them in one way or another, or have recordings done on them). I would venture to say that the Nakamichi RX-303 is probably the one to keep on the basis that it can handle metal tape, has Nakamichi's excellent implementation of Dolby C and will probably be servicable further into the future than the 700TT. As with all newer Naks, it's sonic signature is unmistakable - extrememly clean and extended frequency extremes, and exceptional clarity with voices. The best way to hear your favourite CDs and records is on a Nak cassette deck. My comments on the '303 does not in any way denegrating the virutes of the wonderfull 700 Tri-Tracer. The desirable thing about the the TT is that is sounds great, is a three head deck - it sounds very special making no-dolby recordings on good type II tape. The recordings have a very assertive tonality about them - midrange is unusually dymanic and communicative. A friend of mine did a recording of Al di Meola, John McLaughlin et al with his 700TT on BASF Reference Maxima TPII. It has to be heard to be believed. I think Mr Blues might have an RX-303? Mr Blues? If I was you, I'd keep both. It will save you the trouble of having to replace it later!! Cheers, Marc The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Wed Aug 13 10:16:26 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 10:16:26 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Tape Info; Blues and Gra' Message-ID: Standby MIke, I shall assemble you some useful websites to visit!! 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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Wed Aug 13 10:37:21 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 10:37:21 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Blank Media: Analogue: Cassettes (Mike) Message-ID: Hi Mike, Here a couple of useful links for getting some really nice tapes into your personal inventory. http://www.kvjfairdeal.com/ KVJ London The guys are out on the district line to Barking. Get off at Aldgate East and you're practically there. Great little family store that's been tops in media for years. If you buy by the box, they'll make a deal usually. http://www.pricebuster.org.uk/ Pricebuster in London central and Harrow Excellent shops; the Harrow branch does the export shipping. Very helpful - shipping is expensive from the UK if you didn't know. http://www.tapeworld.com/ Tape World https://www.protape.co.uk/cgi-bin/protape.storefront Pro Tape UK http://www.totalmedia.com/ Total Media http://www.american-digital.com/prodsite/default.asp American Digital Great company up in Connecticut, snappy delivery but only to US addresses. They have the best prices on Maxell XLII/90s at the moment - it might be all they have, but at 79 cents when I last looked - well, you can't beat that! Also, look for dusty little piles of tapes in the better hi-fi shops - you might be able to relieve the owner/manager of the continued burden of counting them into stock for the billionth time - and snap them up for a bargain as a job-lot!! Good luck, Mike!! Regards, Marc The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Wed Aug 13 10:51:01 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 10:51:01 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Tape Manufacturers Message-ID: Howzit Mike, Sorry, to answer your questions on how many manufacturers are currently producing tapes - Sony still manufactures, to my knowledge, Types Is (ZX, EX, EX Super) Types IIs (UX, UX Pro and CDit) and Type IV (Metal XR) Maxell (in one location or another) produces UR, UE, UDI, UDII, XLII, XLII-S (UK only), Metal CD Thats (Taiyo Yuden) produces a range of Type IIs and IVs for professional use. SKC (SKM LImited) produces Sony clones - LX, CD Super-Chrome and posssibly others. Look for the Metal Tech "ZX". TDK produces B, D, AD, SA, SA-X (not all markets) and MA (not all markets). Also CDing I and II. BASF/EMTEC produces Chrome Extra, Chrome Record II, Ferro Extra, Record I and one of the Maximas (either Ref Maxima in Europe or Reference Master IN N. America). You should find the odd stock of Chrome Super II, Chrome Maxima II and possible Metal Maxima TPIV. Have a look on E-Bay for deals on new, wrapped blank tapes at the following link: http://listings.ebay.com/pool2/plistings/list/all/category14962/index.html?from=R4 Cheers, Marc The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com Wed Aug 13 15:31:31 2003 From: gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com (gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 08:31:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Door pneumatic damper Message-ID: Never use a petroleum product to lube plastic items unless the plastic is known to be resistant to them. A better solution here would be a silicone based oil. Gary >>From: Salim Marzuki Subject: Re: [naktalk] Door pneumatic damper To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <005d01c36018$90b88800$2f299bca at smarzuki> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Interesting. The ones I have problems with are older Naks damper which has a small hole in effect controlling the damper motion, easier to 'tweak' but more difficult to get a linear soft motion. Sprayed WD40 inside one of it once and it barely wants to open. I guess a new ring would help, in case of emergency I usually put a thin tape inside the ring seat (if there's any) to expand it a little .. works like charm on BX idler =). Best regards, Salim SM<< -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From colem at georgetown.edu Thu Aug 14 03:16:21 2003 From: colem at georgetown.edu (colem at georgetown.edu) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 21:16:21 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 680 ZX : Cassette door won't open Message-ID: <2f3c3301e9.301e92f3c3@georgetown.edu> Hi everyone, I just purchased a very nice 680ZX off Ebay. The seller said that he couldn't get a cassette out of the machine but prior to that it was working fine. I can move the eject lever but it does not open the door. I can see the cassette properly seated in the transport. Can anyone tell me how to proceed to open the door and remove the tape. I have a 660ZX so I'm a little familiar with this series of decks. Thank you, Mike From colem at georgetown.edu Thu Aug 14 04:05:45 2003 From: colem at georgetown.edu (colem at georgetown.edu) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 22:05:45 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX: Cassette door won't open - Additional info Message-ID: <16e651754b.1754b16e65@georgetown.edu> Hi everyone, I've had a more careful look at the 680ZX which I just got tonight. The transport is in the play position, so this is why the tape eject button is inoperable. When powered up the only lights lit are the cassette well light and the tape counter light. The VU display is unlit and all the tape function controls are dead. Could the problem be as simple as an internal fuse, or is it something more complex? Thanks again, Mike From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu Aug 14 09:23:04 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 09:23:04 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX: Cassette door won't open - Additional info In-Reply-To: <16e651754b.1754b16e65@georgetown.edu> References: <16e651754b.1754b16e65@georgetown.edu> Message-ID: <8874.212.78.179.234.1060845784.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Hi Mike, It looks exactly like a problem i have with a 680ZX, i was going to look into it again one of these days, so now i'm curious to hear our experts give a solution of the problem! My unit was also working fine when it suddenly stayed in this position. Wouter > Hi everyone, > > I've had a more careful look at the 680ZX which I just got tonight. > The transport is in the play position, so this is why the tape eject > button is inoperable. When powered up the only lights lit are the > cassette well light and the tape counter light. The VU display is unlit > and all the tape function controls are dead. > Could the problem be as simple as an internal fuse, or is it something > more complex? > > Thanks again, > > Mike > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From colem at georgetown.edu Thu Aug 14 14:46:39 2003 From: colem at georgetown.edu (colem at georgetown.edu) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 08:46:39 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX: Cassette door won't open - Additional info Message-ID: <2aac52b407.2b4072aac5@georgetown.edu> Hi Wouter, Let's hope someone on the list will have a solution to our problem. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wouter Heijke" Date: Thursday, August 14, 2003 3:23 am Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680ZX: Cassette door won't open - Additional info > Hi Mike, > > It looks exactly like a problem i have with a 680ZX, i was going > to look > into it again one of these days, so now i'm curious to hear our > expertsgive a solution of the problem! > My unit was also working fine when it suddenly stayed in this > position. > Wouter > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > I've had a more careful look at the 680ZX which I just got tonight. > > The transport is in the play position, so this is why the tape eject > > button is inoperable. When powered up the only lights lit are the > > cassette well light and the tape counter light. The VU display > is unlit > > and all the tape function controls are dead. > > Could the problem be as simple as an internal fuse, or is it > something> more complex? > > > > Thanks again, > > > > Mike > > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > =========> Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register> ========----------------------------- > ----------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========------------- > --------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register========------------------------------- > --------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========--------------- > ------------------------------------------========= > From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Aug 14 15:24:24 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 09:24:24 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 680 ZX : Cassette door won't open References: <2f3c3301e9.301e92f3c3@georgetown.edu> Message-ID: <3F3B8D88.46B502F1@rcn.com> colem at georgetown.edu wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > I just purchased a very nice 680ZX off Ebay. The seller said that he > couldn't get a cassette out of the machine but prior to that it was > working fine. > I can move the eject lever but it does not open the door. I can see the > cassette properly seated in the transport. > Can anyone tell me how to proceed to open the door and remove the tape. > I have a 660ZX so I'm a little familiar with this series of decks. > > Thank you, > > Mike > In all probability, the transport is stuck in the Play or Fast state and does not revert to the stop state when you power up, as it should. In such cases, the culprit is the control motor assembly. The motor might have developed a dead spot, or the linkage is slipping. I am not familiar with the 680ZX, but If you remove the covers, you should be able to manually move the motor shaft, to help the motor and mechanism complete the cycle and get to the stop state. While doing so you will also determine the exact cause of the problem. -- Ron From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Aug 14 15:25:29 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 09:25:29 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 680 ZX : Cassette door won't open References: <2f3c3301e9.301e92f3c3@georgetown.edu> Message-ID: <3F3B8DC9.4C0DBE37@rcn.com> colem at georgetown.edu wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > I just purchased a very nice 680ZX off Ebay. The seller said that he > couldn't get a cassette out of the machine but prior to that it was > working fine. > I can move the eject lever but it does not open the door. I can see the > cassette properly seated in the transport. > Can anyone tell me how to proceed to open the door and remove the tape. > I have a 660ZX so I'm a little familiar with this series of decks. > > Thank you, > > Mike > In all probability, the transport is stuck in the Play or Fast state and does not revert to the stop state when you power up, as it should. In such cases, the culprit is the control motor assembly. The motor might have developed a dead spot, or the linkage is slipping. I am not familiar with the 680ZX, but If you remove the covers, you should be able to manually move the motor shaft, to help the motor and mechanism complete the cycle and get to the stop state. While doing so you will also determine the exact cause of the problem. -- Ron From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Aug 14 16:16:43 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 21:16:43 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX: Cassette door won't open - Additional info References: <16e651754b.1754b16e65@georgetown.edu> Message-ID: <002f01c3626e$b0b23720$d2299bca@smarzuki> Hi Mike, You can open the top cover and see 4 or 5 fuses at a small board on top. If some of the lights are off then you may be lucky enough to find a blown fuse. While the case is opened you can assist rotating the large gear behind the cassette well and turn it slowly to your right (viewing from front of deck), to set it to 'stop' position, and you should be able to open the cass well and remove the trapped cassette. Let us know how it goes. Good luck ! Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: colem at georgetown.edu To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 9:05 AM Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX: Cassette door won't open - Additional info Hi everyone, I've had a more careful look at the 680ZX which I just got tonight. The transport is in the play position, so this is why the tape eject button is inoperable. When powered up the only lights lit are the cassette well light and the tape counter light. The VU display is unlit and all the tape function controls are dead. Could the problem be as simple as an internal fuse, or is it something more complex? Thanks again, Mike From ddino77 at earthlink.net Thu Aug 14 16:14:13 2003 From: ddino77 at earthlink.net (ddino77 at earthlink.net) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 10:14:13 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] DBX and Nakamichi Message-ID: <410-220038414141413595@M2W060.mail2web.com> Question: I do not see any NAK decks that include dbx as a noise reduction system. Is there any reason for this. Was it considered inferior to dolby? If used with an older deck {say a 700II) would it perform and give good results? Has anyone tried a dbx 224/NX40/228? ddan -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu Aug 14 16:28:19 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 16:28:19 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] DBX and Nakamichi In-Reply-To: <410-220038414141413595@M2W060.mail2web.com> References: <410-220038414141413595@M2W060.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <18420.212.78.179.234.1060871299.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> I've used a DBX NX40 with a 480 & LX3 with no problems, mainly to playback old tapes recorded on a dbx deck from another manuafacturer.... Wouter > Question: I do not see any NAK decks that include dbx as a noise reduction > system. Is there any reason for this. Was it considered inferior to > dolby? > If used with an older deck {say a 700II) would it perform and give good > results? Has anyone tried a dbx 224/NX40/228? ddan > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From marcdenis at iquebec.com Thu Aug 14 16:51:09 2003 From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 10:51:09 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] DBX and Nakamichi In-Reply-To: <410-220038414141413595@M2W060.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20030814103017.02c4c930@pop.iquebec.com> At 10:14 2003/08/14 -0400, you wrote: >Question: I do not see any NAK decks that include dbx as a noise reduction >system. Is there any reason for this. Was it considered inferior to dolby? >If used with an older deck {say a 700II) would it perform and give good >results? Has anyone tried a dbx 224/NX40/228? ddan I have a friend who has been using happily an NX-40 with a BX-100 for many years. Works fine although residual noise of the NX-40 itself may be a bit higher than one would hope for. I would expect higher end dbx units to be quieter. Tapes made with dbx encoding are not usable without dbx decoding. Dolby encoded tapes are a lot more forgiving on that respect. From jerryjg at webtv.net Thu Aug 14 19:03:44 2003 From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 12:03:44 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [naktalk] recording from c.d. onto tape Message-ID: <29901-3F3BC0F0-1060@storefull-2238.public.lawson.webtv.net> a few questions about recording; 1)would there be anything to be gained by re-recording a prerecorded tape onto c.d.,and then onto a nak- instead of listening to the prerecorded tape directly on the nak (assuming all source material and equipment are of good quality)? 2)what sounds better,a high end nak.c.d.player or a high end nak.tape deck? 3)are there any nak.decks with sound on sound or "simul-sync" capabilities? 4)would a prerecorded tape improve in sound if re-recorded on a higher quality tape/tape deck? thank you very much, gerald From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu Aug 14 23:36:10 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 23:36:10 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX: Cassette door won't open - Additional info References: <16e651754b.1754b16e65@georgetown.edu> <002f01c3626e$b0b23720$d2299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3F3C00C9.D426DFA5@xs4all.nl> Hi Mike & Salim, Mike, my 680ZX seems to have the exact same problems! I managed to remove the tape that was stuck for a long time there by turning back the cam, which brings down the heads. The only thing i notice with my deck is that as soon as i switch it on it goes into 'playback', well the heads move up, but nothing moves, no capstans or idlers or whatevenr. Also with me all lights are deas except those for the cassette well and tape counter. I opened the case and couldn't see any broken fuses (mine has 5 of them), i also removed the and put them back in, no change. What i did hear is what i first thought was a motor running, be i couldn't see one move... then i think the sound comes from somewhere where the fuses are, it is hard to hear, but sounds like a motor running... I moved all switches a couple of times (always a good way to fix small problems), specially now the timer swicth but no luck... It's mystery, and must be a 'known' problem for 680ZX since we both seem to have the same ones. Wouter Salim Marzuki wrote: > Hi Mike, > > You can open the top cover and see 4 or 5 fuses at a small board on top. If > some of the lights are off then you may be lucky enough to find a blown > fuse. While the case is opened you can assist rotating the large gear > behind the cassette well and turn it slowly to your right (viewing from > front of deck), to set it to 'stop' position, and you should be able to open > the cass well and remove the trapped cassette. Let us know how it goes. > > Good luck ! > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: colem at georgetown.edu > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 9:05 AM > Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX: Cassette door won't open - Additional info > > Hi everyone, > > I've had a more careful look at the 680ZX which I just got tonight. > The transport is in the play position, so this is why the tape eject > button is inoperable. When powered up the only lights lit are the > cassette well light and the tape counter light. The VU display is unlit > and all the tape function controls are dead. > Could the problem be as simple as an internal fuse, or is it something > more complex? > > Thanks again, > > Mike > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ti at amb.org Fri Aug 15 11:57:21 2003 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 02:57:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] recording from c.d. onto tape In-Reply-To: <29901-3F3BC0F0-1060@storefull-2238.public.lawson.webtv.net> from "Gerald G." at Aug 14, 2003 12:03:44 PM Message-ID: <200308150957.JAA04704@amb.org> Gerald G. writes: > 1)would there be > anything to be gained by re-recording a prerecorded tape onto c.d.,and > then onto a nak- instead of listening to the prerecorded tape directly > on the nak (assuming all source material and equipment are of good > quality)? You may benefit a bit from the peace of mind that it's good quality tape that will be gliding on your Nak's heads instead of whatever the pre-recorded tape was made with. Other than that, adding the CD recording step in the middle will not yield any benefit in audio quality. Depending on the equipment and parameters used in digitizing the audio, you stand to lose something in the process, although with most commercial pre-recorded cassettes, this may be a moot point because the quality is dubious to begin with. > 2)what sounds better,a high end nak.c.d.player or a high end nak.tape > deck? That's a pretty loaded question. You really have to define what you mean by "better", and what you're looking for. > 3)are there any nak.decks with sound on sound or "simul-sync" > capabilities? Don't think so. At least none of the home decks. > 4)would a prerecorded tape improve in sound if > re-recorded on a higher quality tape/tape deck? Not really, in general, you can't "add" quality to what was already missing in the source, except perhaps simple equalization... For example, a dull treble can be compensated by turning up the highs, but you can simply do that with tone controls on your amplifier or receiver (if so equipped). The problem with many pre-recorded cassettes, in my experience, is that the recording levels are much too high, so that the tape is driven deep into saturation, causing rolled off highs during peaks, and worse, high distortion. You can't undo the distortion after the fact, unfortunately. -Ti Nakamichi Dragon -- /// Ti Kan Vorsprung durch Technik /// AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA /// ti at amb.org ////// http://www.amb.org/ti/ /// From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Fri Aug 15 16:24:44 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 00:24:44 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Kenwood car cassette radio question Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D022021A6@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi all. Sorry to drop this question in Naktalk but I tried to post the question in Audiotalk and my message was rejected. Just a quick question. Do any of you own a Kenwood car unit, such as the KRC-507S? If someone like me wanted to buy a unit from the US and install it into my car, what do I need to do to switch the tuner frequency steps from 200 KHz space to 50 KHz space i.e- tuning from 200 KHz steps to 50 KHz steps? Regards, Tom Siomopoulos. From colem at georgetown.edu Fri Aug 15 18:32:26 2003 From: colem at georgetown.edu (colem at georgetown.edu) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 12:32:26 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX: Tape door won't open: Problem solved? Message-ID: Hello Wouter, Salim, Ron and everyone, Thanks for your help. I followed your instructions and rotated the large gear behind the mechanism to the right which lowered the transport and I was able to remove the cassette. I noticed that when the on/off switch was moved from 'off' to 'on' the LED display would light about midway between 'off' and 'on', but then woud go out when the switch went fully to 'on'. I turned the machine upside down to removed the bottom plate to take a look at the transport from below. At that moment I noticed a long blue perforated strap containing a metal strip and ending in white plastic connector with one pin and what looks like four plastic clips to hold it in place (O31P written on the connector)flapping loose from the machine. Is this a grounding strap? I made sure that the pin on this strap wasn't touching anything and tried the machine again and it fired up perfectly. I have two questions: 1. Could it be that this pin was touching something a component on one of the boards and causing the problem? 2. Where should the end of this strap connect in the machine? Thanks, Mike From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri Aug 15 19:15:36 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 19:15:36 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX: Tape door won't open: Problem solved? References: Message-ID: <3F3D1537.5D3108C5@xs4all.nl> Hi Mike, This blue strap is for the azimuth fine tuning! It should be connected with that white connector on the big black bulp inside behing the tape counter, the other end should be connected somewhere near the record head.... I can send you pictures from my 680zx if you need help to connect the strap. Wouter colem at georgetown.edu wrote: > Hello Wouter, Salim, Ron and everyone, > > Thanks for your help. I followed your instructions and rotated the > large gear behind the mechanism to the right which lowered the > transport and I was able to remove the cassette. I noticed that when > the on/off switch was moved from 'off' to 'on' the LED display would > light about midway between 'off' and 'on', but then woud go out when > the switch went fully to 'on'. I turned the machine upside down to > removed the bottom plate to take a look at the transport from below. > At that moment I noticed a long blue perforated strap containing a > metal strip and ending in white plastic connector with one pin and what > looks like four plastic clips to hold it in place (O31P written on the > connector)flapping loose from the machine. Is this a grounding strap? > I made sure that the pin on this strap wasn't touching anything and > tried the machine again and it fired up perfectly. > I have two questions: > 1. Could it be that this pin was touching something a component on one > of the boards and causing the problem? > 2. Where should the end of this strap connect in the machine? > > Thanks, > > Mike > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From colem at georgetown.edu Fri Aug 15 19:21:09 2003 From: colem at georgetown.edu (colem at georgetown.edu) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:21:09 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX: Tape door won't open: Problem solved? Message-ID: Wouter, I think I know where you mean, but a picture(s) would be very hepful. The other end of the strap (opposite end to the connector) seems to disappear into the transport around the left front edge as you face the machine. Thanks, Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Wouter Heijke Date: Friday, August 15, 2003 1:15 pm Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680ZX: Tape door won't open: Problem solved? > Hi Mike, > > This blue strap is for the azimuth fine tuning! > It should be connected with that white connector on the big black > bulp inside > behing the tape counter, the other end should be connected > somewhere near the > record head.... > I can send you pictures from my 680zx if you need help to connect > the strap. > > Wouter > > colem at georgetown.edu wrote: > > > Hello Wouter, Salim, Ron and everyone, > > > > Thanks for your help. I followed your instructions and rotated the > > large gear behind the mechanism to the right which lowered the > > transport and I was able to remove the cassette. I noticed that when > > the on/off switch was moved from 'off' to 'on' the LED display would > > light about midway between 'off' and 'on', but then woud go out when > > the switch went fully to 'on'. I turned the machine upside down to > > removed the bottom plate to take a look at the transport from below. > > At that moment I noticed a long blue perforated strap containing a > > metal strip and ending in white plastic connector with one pin > and what > > looks like four plastic clips to hold it in place (O31P written > on the > > connector)flapping loose from the machine. Is this a grounding > strap?> I made sure that the pin on this strap wasn't touching > anything and > > tried the machine again and it fired up perfectly. > > I have two questions: > > 1. Could it be that this pin was touching something a component > on one > > of the boards and causing the problem? > > 2. Where should the end of this strap connect in the machine? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Mike > > > > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > =========> Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register> ========----------------------------- > ----------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========------------- > --------------------------------------------========= > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register========------------------------------- > --------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========--------------- > ------------------------------------------========= > From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Aug 15 19:40:49 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 00:40:49 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX: Tape door won't open: Problem solved? References: Message-ID: <000401c36354$5e1d7f60$88299bca@smarzuki> Hi Mike, That steel band is for auto azimuth alignment connecting the record head 'plate' to a square black motor housing right behind the large plastic gear. You may be lucky enough that no components got shorted or fried by that dangling steel band. Seems like the fuse is not doing its job very well =) Take a look at the upper back of the black motor housing and there's a slot where the end of steel band should fit in. Hopefully the plastic slot is not broken and could hold the band, make sure that it snaps into place. Just go through and check every mechanical and electrical functions. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: colem at georgetown.edu To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 11:32 PM Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX: Tape door won't open: Problem solved? Hello Wouter, Salim, Ron and everyone, Thanks for your help. I followed your instructions and rotated the large gear behind the mechanism to the right which lowered the transport and I was able to remove the cassette. I noticed that when the on/off switch was moved from 'off' to 'on' the LED display would light about midway between 'off' and 'on', but then woud go out when the switch went fully to 'on'. I turned the machine upside down to removed the bottom plate to take a look at the transport from below. At that moment I noticed a long blue perforated strap containing a metal strip and ending in white plastic connector with one pin and what looks like four plastic clips to hold it in place (O31P written on the connector)flapping loose from the machine. Is this a grounding strap? I made sure that the pin on this strap wasn't touching anything and tried the machine again and it fired up perfectly. I have two questions: 1. Could it be that this pin was touching something a component on one of the boards and causing the problem? 2. Where should the end of this strap connect in the machine? Thanks, Mike From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Aug 15 20:01:34 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 01:01:34 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Kenwood car cassette radio question References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D022021A6@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <000901c36357$44517700$88299bca@smarzuki> Hi Tom, I don't have Kenwood unit but if there's no switch provided on the outside - usually on bottom of (sony) head unit - then it would be very difficult to modify as it would require surgery and datasheet of tuning IC used. There's an online 'live' manual here: http://www.kenwoodusa.com/support/manual.jsp?divisionId=3&productId=430 But I can't find any freq switch on it and the spec only mentioned 200k space. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos To: Naktalk mail list (E-mail) Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 9:24 PM Subject: [naktalk] Kenwood car cassette radio question Hi all. Sorry to drop this question in Naktalk but I tried to post the question in Audiotalk and my message was rejected. Just a quick question. Do any of you own a Kenwood car unit, such as the KRC-507S? If someone like me wanted to buy a unit from the US and install it into my car, what do I need to do to switch the tuner frequency steps from 200 KHz space to 50 KHz space i.e- tuning from 200 KHz steps to 50 KHz steps? Regards, Tom Siomopoulos. From ti at amb.org Fri Aug 15 21:45:39 2003 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 12:45:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Kenwood car cassette radio question In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D022021A6@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> from "Thomas Siomopoulos" at Aug 16, 2003 12:24:44 AM Message-ID: <200308151945.TAA06456@amb.org> Thomas Siomopoulos writes: > Hi all. Sorry to drop this question in Naktalk but I tried to post the > question in Audiotalk and my message was rejected. Just a quick question. Do > any of you own a Kenwood car unit, such as the KRC-507S? If someone like me > wanted to buy a unit from the US and install it into my car, what do I need > to do to switch the tuner frequency steps from 200 KHz space to 50 KHz space > i.e- tuning from 200 KHz steps to 50 KHz steps? I don't know the specifics of this model, there is probably a different version of the radio sold for the US market than for Europe. By the way, the step in the US is 100KHz on most radios, even though the FCC tends to keep stations spaced at least 200KHz apart. -Ti Nakamichi Dragon -- /// Ti Kan Vorsprung durch Technik /// AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA /// ti at amb.org ////// http://www.amb.org/ti/ /// From jerryjg at webtv.net Sat Aug 16 05:18:54 2003 From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 22:18:54 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 6, Issue 15 In-Reply-To: naktalk-request@naks.com's message of Fri, 15 Aug 2003 22:15:21 +0200 Message-ID: <77-3F3DA29E-875@storefull-2236.public.lawson.webtv.net> hi-youre counseling on the matter about re-recording was so very much appreciated that now i hope i wont be imposing on you to pose another question; would re-recording a nakamichi recorded tape on a lower grade tape player cause any degradation of sonic performance assuming excellent tape is used in all stages ,both source and recording?im asking this because even though i currently have two naks.(a rx-303 and a 700 tri-tracer),it is very easy and convienient to dub copies on my yamaha double cassette.by the way,which speed makes a better duplicate-high speed dubbing or normal speed.yours most sincerly,and most eternally gratefully,gerald thank you very much, gerald From ti at amb.org Sat Aug 16 10:08:20 2003 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 01:08:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 6, Issue 15 In-Reply-To: <77-3F3DA29E-875@storefull-2236.public.lawson.webtv.net> from "Gerald G." at Aug 15, 2003 10:18:54 PM Message-ID: <200308160808.IAA07728@amb.org> Gerald G. writes: > would re-recording a nakamichi recorded tape on a > lower grade tape player cause any degradation of sonic performance > assuming excellent tape is used in all stages ,both source and > recording?im asking this because even though i currently have two > naks.(a rx-303 and a 700 tri-tracer),it is very easy and convienient to > dub copies on my yamaha double cassette. Yes, you will lose quality over each successive copy operation. The frequency response abberations, noise, and distortions are additive with each successive generation of tape copying. More importantly, perhaps, is the issue of tape head azimuth mismatch between the recording deck and the playback deck. Such mismatches from deck to deck will cause high frequency loss, both in the tape duplication phase as well as the playback phase. Again, the effects of these are also additive. Of course, if you have a Nakamichi Dragon for playback (with its adaptive auto-azimuth alignment capability), the problem becomes negligible on the final playback phase, but it still exists in all steps prior to that (and for this purpose you can consider a dual-well dubbing deck as two machines, because the two wells have separate heads and are subject to azimuth mismatch just as two separate decks would). > by the way,which speed makes a > better duplicate-high speed dubbing or normal speed.yours most > sincerly,and most eternally gratefully,gerald Normal speed is better than high speed (I presume you're talking about cassette tapes that will be played at the standard 1 7/8 ips speed). If the dubbing deck could be made to dub at half-speed, then it's even better. Consider what happens in high speed dubbing: both the playing and the recording wells run at a high speed, which means that the audio signal is extracted at a higher pitch than normal. Take a 2x speed dubbing deck as an example, a 15KHz signal becomes 30KHz, which most likely neither the playing nor the recording portions of the dubbing deck could handle without loss. Also, the recording headroom (before the onset of saturation and distortion) of tapes is frequency dependent. The higher the frequency, the lower the headroom, so the increased speed and pitch compounds that problem. It's even worse on faster dubbing decks. -Ti Nakamichi Dragon -- /// Ti Kan Vorsprung durch Technik /// AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA /// ti at amb.org ////// http://www.amb.org/ti/ /// From ti at amb.org Sat Aug 16 10:46:22 2003 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 01:46:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] TDK SA-XG rarity? Message-ID: <200308160846.IAA07994@amb.org> Hi all, I have a few TDK SA-XG 90 cassettes from the late 80s. The shell has the same in construction to the MA-XG from the same period, with the metal alloy insert and clear plastic front and back sandwich. The color of the alloy parts are a little darker silver in color than that of the MA-XG. The SA-XG were the highest-end Type II tape from TDK when I bought them. These have proven to be excellent tapes, all my recordings done on them 15+ years ago still sound great today. I see a number of mentions about the MA-XG in various forums, but almost never any on the SA-XG. This leads me to believe that the SA-XG is a very rare breed from TDK. The www.melofanas.lt web site that was posted on here a some days ago does not list it. Anyone care to comment about these tapes? -Ti Nakamichi Dragon -- /// Ti Kan Vorsprung durch Technik /// AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA /// ti at amb.org ////// http://www.amb.org/ti/ /// From stan.targowski at comcast.net Sat Aug 16 18:15:53 2003 From: stan.targowski at comcast.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 11:15:53 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] TDK SA-XG rarity? In-Reply-To: <200308160846.IAA07994@amb.org> Message-ID: SA-XG is in a sense SA-X in a metal case. They were priced very close to MA-XG, and as such, I think most of the people who were willing to spend that much money on a cassette were going with the metals - this is why they may be rare. It is a great tape. Stan -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ti Kan Sent: Sat, August 16, 2003 3:46 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] TDK SA-XG rarity? Hi all, I have a few TDK SA-XG 90 cassettes from the late 80s. The shell has the same in construction to the MA-XG from the same period, with the metal alloy insert and clear plastic front and back sandwich. The color of the alloy parts are a little darker silver in color than that of the MA-XG. The SA-XG were the highest-end Type II tape from TDK when I bought them. These have proven to be excellent tapes, all my recordings done on them 15+ years ago still sound great today. I see a number of mentions about the MA-XG in various forums, but almost never any on the SA-XG. This leads me to believe that the SA-XG is a very rare breed from TDK. The www.melofanas.lt web site that was posted on here a some days ago does not list it. Anyone care to comment about these tapes? -Ti Nakamichi Dragon -- /// Ti Kan Vorsprung durch Technik /// AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA /// ti at amb.org ////// http://www.amb.org/ti/ /// ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Aug 17 05:56:11 2003 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 21:56:11 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX: Cassette door won't open - Additional info References: <16e651754b.1754b16e65@georgetown.edu><002f01c3626e$b0b23720$d2299bca@smarzuki> <3F3C00C9.D426DFA5@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <029d01c36473$8365a840$a83442cf@steve> It sounds like a bad transistor or opamp, or merely bad solder joints, in the mode motor drive circuit or in the ppower supply. If you follow the motor + wire back to the board, you should be able to easily trace it back to the pair of pair of drive transistors & the 4558 opamp IC that drives them. First check +12v supply on pin 8 of that IC, then -12v supply on pin 4. If both are present, remove each drive transistor & measure for shorts or opens(with diode check function of DMM). If they both measure OK, try a new 4558 type opamp(M5218AP is preferrable). If there's still a problem, check connections to the cam position sensing potentiometer & check the pot itself. Never seen one go bad, but who knows. Oh, and remove every last little bit of brown glue from all of the circuit boards, top & bottom of each board. Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer Talking Dog Transducer Company http://stephensank.com 5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] 505-332-0336 Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer Payments preferred through Paypal.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wouter Heijke" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680ZX: Cassette door won't open - Additional info > Hi Mike & Salim, > > Mike, my 680ZX seems to have the exact same problems! > I managed to remove the tape that was stuck for a long time there by turning > back the cam, which brings down the heads. > The only thing i notice with my deck is that as soon as i switch it on it goes > into 'playback', well the heads move up, but nothing moves, no capstans or > idlers or whatevenr. Also with me all lights are deas except those for the > cassette well and tape counter. > I opened the case and couldn't see any broken fuses (mine has 5 of them), i also > removed the and put them back in, no change. > What i did hear is what i first thought was a motor running, be i couldn't see > one move... then i think the sound comes from somewhere where the fuses are, it > is hard to hear, but sounds like a motor running... I moved all switches a > couple of times (always a good way to fix small problems), specially now the > timer swicth but no luck... > It's mystery, and must be a 'known' problem for 680ZX since we both seem to have > the same ones. > > Wouter > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > Hi Mike, > > > > You can open the top cover and see 4 or 5 fuses at a small board on top. If > > some of the lights are off then you may be lucky enough to find a blown > > fuse. While the case is opened you can assist rotating the large gear > > behind the cassette well and turn it slowly to your right (viewing from > > front of deck), to set it to 'stop' position, and you should be able to open > > the cass well and remove the trapped cassette. Let us know how it goes. > > > > Good luck ! > > Salim SM > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: colem at georgetown.edu > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 9:05 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX: Cassette door won't open - Additional info > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > I've had a more careful look at the 680ZX which I just got tonight. > > The transport is in the play position, so this is why the tape eject > > button is inoperable. When powered up the only lights lit are the > > cassette well light and the tape counter light. The VU display is unlit > > and all the tape function controls are dead. > > Could the problem be as simple as an internal fuse, or is it something > > more complex? > > > > Thanks again, > > > > Mike > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From ztiller at hotmail.com Sun Aug 17 11:02:49 2003 From: ztiller at hotmail.com (Rob Z) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 04:02:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A Damage? Message-ID: Hello, I have a question regarding my CR-7A. While I was away from home, a good friend stopped by to make a tape from a record. When he went to make the tape, he chose to use the Nakamichi rather than on of the Kenwood�s. When I arrived home, the 60-minute tape was almost full & most of the recording level meter segments were on! My friend had no concept of setting recording levels & had just started recording. I immediately stopped the machine & turned it off. Since then, I have tested the deck every way I can think of & haven�t noticed any difference in the deck�s performance. My question is; do you think that recording a tape at that level for that amount of time would hurt, or stress the recording head or electronic circuits? I have greatly enjoyed reading everyone�s posts & would like your opinions on any effects this had on the deck. Thanks Zabo P.S. The friend has been asked to use the Kenwood�s from now on. Zabo _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Aug 17 15:06:08 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 09:06:08 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A Damage? References: Message-ID: <3F3F7DC0.5E3563C@rcn.com> It's highly unlikely anything was damaged. -- Ron Rob Z wrote: > > Hello, > > I have a question regarding my CR-7A. While I was away from home, a good > friend stopped by to make a tape from a record. When he went to make the > tape, he chose to use the Nakamichi rather than on of the Kenwood’s. > > When I arrived home, the 60-minute tape was almost full & most of the > recording level meter segments were on! My friend had no concept of setting > recording levels & had just started recording. I immediately stopped the > machine & turned it off. Since then, I have tested the deck every way I can > think of & haven’t noticed any difference in the deck’s performance. > > My question is; do you think that recording a tape at that level for that > amount of time would hurt, or stress the recording head or electronic > circuits? > > I have greatly enjoyed reading everyone’s posts & would like your opinions > on any effects this had on the deck. > > Thanks > > Zabo > > P.S. The friend has been asked to use the Kenwood’s from now on. > > Zabo From ti at amb.org Sun Aug 17 13:56:08 2003 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 04:56:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A Damage? In-Reply-To: from "Rob Z" at Aug 17, 2003 04:02:49 AM Message-ID: <200308171156.LAA12370@amb.org> Rob Z writes: > ... > My question is; do you think that recording a tape at that level for that > amount of time would hurt, or stress the recording head or electronic > circuits? No, setting the recording level too high will not harm the deck. It will simply saturate the tape and cause the recording to sound bad (high distortion and dimished high frequency response). -Ti Nakamichi Dragon -- /// Ti Kan Vorsprung durch Technik /// AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA /// ti at amb.org ////// http://www.amb.org/ti/ /// From RTLehe at aol.com Sun Aug 17 16:21:32 2003 From: RTLehe at aol.com (RTLehe at aol.com) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 10:21:32 EDT Subject: [naktalk] flutter issues again Message-ID: <15c.227f390c.2c70e96c@aol.com> Last week I sought help with a flutter issue in my CR1A. I was advised to lube the capstan bearing, which I did, and the problem was mostly solved. The CR plays most of the tapes fed into it flawlessly. But there are a few that still exhibit some flutter. For the most part, it seems to be during the first few minutes of C100 cassettes, especially those made by "Thats" and TDK. Also some TDK SA's made in the last few years also exhibit the flutter (older TDKs seem to be better). I have even noticed that some 25 year old TDK D's and Maxell LNs play flawlessly while some 5 year old TDK SAs produce the flutter. One might think the cassettes are defective, but they play fine in my dual capstan BX 300 and single capstan Yamaha KX 380. Perhaps it is not really flutter in the usual sense, but there is a slight but annoying irregularity in the sound of the tape. If you know anything about trumpet playing, it reminds me of the sound of a trumpet in need of a draining of saliva. It's as though there are little bubbles in the sound. Maybe its sloppy head/tape contact. Has anyone here experienced anything like this? I have noticed it also in an old Denon DRM 700 that I used to have, which is 3 head, but single capstan. Anyway, since the CR plays most tapes fine, it seems to be partly the fault of the cassettes, but since my other decks play the offending cassettes without the flutter, it must be partly the fault of the deck. Are some decks less tolerant of tape irregularities? Is there something that can be done to fix this? It would seem that a $400 Nakamichi should do as well as a $250 Yamaha, but this is not now the case. Any ideas? Thanks in advance for any comments. Tad -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Aug 17 22:08:34 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 21:08:34 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] flutter issues again In-Reply-To: <15c.227f390c.2c70e96c@aol.com> Message-ID: <000701c364fb$56490220$eb8e4c51@oemcomputer> Tad No idea what the problem is but must say you're lucky your CR1 accepts C100's. My ZX9 eats anything longer than a C90 ! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of RTLehe at aol.com Sent: 17 August 2003 15:22 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] flutter issues again Last week I sought help with a flutter issue in my CR1A. I was advised to lube the capstan bearing, which I did, and the problem was mostly solved. The CR plays most of the tapes fed into it flawlessly. But there are a few that still exhibit some flutter. For the most part, it seems to be during the first few minutes of C100 cassettes, especially those made by "Thats" and TDK. Also some TDK SA's made in the last few years also exhibit the flutter (older TDKs seem to be better). I have even noticed that some 25 year old TDK D's and Maxell LNs play flawlessly while some 5 year old TDK SAs produce the flutter. One might think the cassettes are defective, but they play fine in my dual capstan BX 300 and single capstan Yamaha KX 380. Perhaps it is not really flutter in the usual sense, but there is a slight but annoying irregularity in the sound of the tape. If you know anything about trumpet playing, it reminds me of the sound of a trumpet in need of a draining of saliva. It's as though there are little bubbles in the sound. Maybe its sloppy head/tape contact. Has anyone here experienced anything like this? I have noticed it also in an old Denon DRM 700 that I used to have, which is 3 head, but single capstan. Anyway, since the CR plays most tapes fine, it seems to be partly the fault of the cassettes, but since my other decks play the offending cassettes without the flutter, it must be partly the fault of the deck. Are some decks less tolerant of tape irregularities? Is there something that can be done to fix this? It would seem that a $400 Nakamichi should do as well as a $250 Yamaha, but this is not now the case. Any ideas? Thanks in advance for any comments. Tad --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.510 / Virus Database: 307 - Release Date: 14/08/03 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Aug 17 22:31:52 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 16:31:52 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] flutter issues again References: <15c.227f390c.2c70e96c@aol.com> Message-ID: <3F3FE638.43FE4D1D@rcn.com> RTLehe at aol.com wrote: > > Last week I sought help with a flutter issue in my CR1A. I was advised to > lube the capstan bearing, which I did, and the problem was mostly solved. > The CR plays most of the tapes fed into it flawlessly. But there are a few > that still exhibit some flutter. For the most part, it seems to be during > the first few minutes of C100 cassettes, especially those made by "Thats" > and TDK. Also some TDK SA's made in the last few years also exhibit the > flutter (older TDKs seem to be better). I have even noticed that some 25 > year old TDK D's and Maxell LNs play flawlessly while some 5 year old TDK > SAs produce the flutter. One might think the cassettes are defective, but > they play fine in my dual capstan BX 300 and single capstan Yamaha KX 380. > Perhaps it is not really flutter in the usual sense, but there is a slight > but annoying irregularity in the sound of the tape. If you know anything > about trumpet playing, it reminds me of the sound of a trumpet in need of a > draining of saliva. It's as though there are little bubbles in the sound. > Maybe its sloppy head/tape contact. Has anyone here experienced anything > like this? I have noticed it also in an old Denon DRM 700 that I used to > have, which is 3 head, but single capstan. Anyway, since the CR plays most > tapes fine, it seems to be partly the fault of the cassettes, but since my > other decks play the offending cassettes without the flutter, it must be > partly the fault of the deck. Are some decks less tolerant of tape > irregularities? Is there something that can be done to fix this? It would > seem that a $400 Nakamichi should do as well as a $250 Yamaha, but this is > not now the case. Any ideas? Thanks in advance for any comments. > > Tad > Well, in the first place, the CR-1 is not a $400 deck (you can get reasonably good ones for $50 to $120 on audiogon or ebay). Nonetheless, I agree it should not suffer from the problem you describe. Especially since I do not recall a CR-1/2 (or even a BX-1) doing this while playing a C-120 cassette. My gut feel is that your transport is not in the best condition and/or adjustment state. Not enough to exhibit a permanent problem, but enough to be unable to handle marginal (or maybe even near marginal) cassettes. The cure it to clean, lubricate and service the transport thoroughly, then follow with complete calibration/adjustment. I cannot guaranty this will solve the problem, but it's likely it will. -- Ron From jerryjg at webtv.net Sun Aug 17 23:01:50 2003 From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 16:01:50 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [naktalk] re-recording Message-ID: <12175-3F3FED3E-3256@storefull-2233.public.lawson.webtv.net> final question on re-recording.all things being equal,even though though there is some lss of quality in each succsessive recording stage,which deck would produce a superior re-recorded tape;a high end nakamichi or a low end yamaha(i have both).does it matter,or is the real benefit of the nak. in the playback stage only?thanks again thank you very much, gerald From ti at amb.org Mon Aug 18 09:25:19 2003 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 00:25:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] re-recording In-Reply-To: <12175-3F3FED3E-3256@storefull-2233.public.lawson.webtv.net> from "Gerald G." at Aug 17, 2003 04:01:50 PM Message-ID: <200308180725.HAA14519@amb.org> Gerald G. writes: > final question on re-recording.all things being equal,even though though > there is some lss of quality in each succsessive recording stage,which > deck would produce a superior re-recorded tape;a high end nakamichi or a > low end yamaha(i have both).does it matter,or is the real benefit of the > nak. in the playback stage only?thanks again In general, the better the deck, the better the quality of the recording and therefore there is less loss of quality. Nakamichi's claim to fame is not just in playback. The better Naks, for example, maintains a flat frequency response to 20KHz even at 0dB recording level with Dolby C. This is achieved without the use of any "headroom extension" techniques such as Dolby HX Pro (where the bias is dynamically varied based on recording level). Naks have an uncanny way of extracting more extended frequency response and headroom out of each tape type. Very few cassette decks from other makes could lay claim to similar levels of performance. Typically 0dB response of up to 12KHz would be considered "pretty good". -Ti Nakamichi Dragon -- /// Ti Kan Vorsprung durch Technik /// AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA /// ti at amb.org ////// http://www.amb.org/ti/ /// From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Aug 18 09:52:41 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 08:52:41 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] re-recording In-Reply-To: <12175-3F3FED3E-3256@storefull-2233.public.lawson.webtv.net> Message-ID: <000601c3655d$b3cfa680$02994c51@oemcomputer> There are some who argue, with measurements to prove their point, that whilst very good, the Nak's are not necessarily the finest recording machines, with that accolade arguably going to the Revox B215 or the Tandberg ... I forget the model number. Indeed, some of our members record on a Revox B215 and play back on a Dragon. (Carlos?) However, that is not to deride the Nakamichi's ability to record extremely well. Indeed, the general view is that the Nakamichi recording is so good they will allow higher than normal recording levels to be employed without distortion. Moreover, whilst Yamaha et al employed Dolby S most Nakamichi decks are so good at recording (and play back) they don't need Dolby S! Tip for re-recording: If you have to do it, do it back-to-back with the source tape deck - don't do via the amplifier - and do it with decent, short cables. Graham > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Gerald G. > Sent: 17 August 2003 22:02 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] re-recording > > > final question on re-recording.all things being equal,even though though > there is some lss of quality in each succsessive recording stage,which > deck would produce a superior re-recorded tape;a high end nakamichi or a > low end yamaha(i have both).does it matter,or is the real benefit of the > nak. in the playback stage only?thanks again > > thank you very much, > gerald > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.510 / Virus Database: 307 - Release Date: 14/08/03 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.510 / Virus Database: 307 - Release Date: 14/08/03 From ti at amb.org Mon Aug 18 10:02:41 2003 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 01:02:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] re-recording In-Reply-To: <000601c3655d$b3cfa680$02994c51@oemcomputer> from "Nelson" at Aug 18, 2003 08:52:41 AM Message-ID: <200308180802.IAA14571@amb.org> Nelson writes: > There are some who argue, with measurements to prove their point, that > whilst very good, the Nak's are not necessarily the finest recording > machines, > ... I wonder how much of that is due to the difference of the equalization curve of Naks decks vs. most others? I do notice that while a tape that was recorded and played on my Dragon sounds superb, that same tape played on a non-Nak deck is just a trifle dull in the highs, and this is not merely from head azimuth issues. Conversely, a tape recorded on my Kenwood deck and played on the Dragon sounds a bit too hot in the highs. Maybe some people like the added sizzle in the top octaves, but it's not accurate. -Ti Nakamichi Dragon -- /// Ti Kan Vorsprung durch Technik /// AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA /// ti at amb.org ////// http://www.amb.org/ti/ /// From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Aug 18 11:08:55 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 11:08:55 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] re-recording Message-ID: Hi Gerald, I personally would go with a Nakamichi recording, whether you are re-recording or recording from another source. Their heads are superior in head gap characteristics and overload characteristics to any other manufactuer. Even if you were using the very best that Yamaha produced, my favourites being the KX-930 (KX-800 was quite nice too), KX-1200 and the Dolby S KX-580SE, I would still choose a Nak, even an early model from the 480 series with 2 heads. They are indeed as good as that!! The other thing was that the main loss through recording from cassette to cassette is losses in dynamic range, which can be as bad as 3dB with each successive re-recording. My personal experience with re-recording is that you can minamalise losses by running direct from deck to deck and not via the pre-amp/integrated amp/receiver, using good cables. Make a point of using your quietest decks (yes there is such a noise; itmis from the "electronics"). To check for this, listen through headphones to the various decks you are considering using, at the dead of night. Plug in the headphones, listen, unplug, listen, plug in again. Then repeat this exercise listening to a new unrecorded tape with the machine in play mode. Then record "nothing" onto a tape at normal sub 0 dB levels and listen again. All components produce audible noise of their own, caused mainly by op-amps. How quiet or noisy they are is a guide to which deck you will use. However, this whole exercise is only part of the total exercise. How each deck has sound characteristics of their own, and if you use NR, you will still want to determine which one performs better. Many Dolby circuits reduce noise and increase s/n ratios, but also make recordings subtley more opaque and less responsive. This is less the case with Naks than any other deck, I have found. The Nak will be superior in both rec and playback stages to other decks as a general rule. When doing critical tape to tape copies, I use a Cassette Deck One (which incorporates a playback azimuth adjustment) running direct to a Nak 682ZX (which incorporates an automatic rec head azimuth adjustment). The copies are incredibly good and of course show very small, imperceptable really, changes from the source tape, certainly much less than the worst case scenario of 3dB dynamic reange losses. Frequency range is not noticably affected. Good luck on your dubbing project!! 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From RTLehe at aol.com Mon Aug 18 15:59:52 2003 From: RTLehe at aol.com (RTLehe at aol.com) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 09:59:52 EDT Subject: [naktalk] re-recording Message-ID: <1cb.f69b65c.2c7235d8@aol.com> I have done a lot of dubbing, with both Yamaha and Nakamichi decks. One thing to keep in mind is that the playback eq will probably be most accurate if the tape is played on the same deck it was recorded on. Since most Naks do not employ the standard playback eq curve that most other decks, including Yamaha do, you will get a more accurate playback of commercially pre-recorded tapes or tapes made on non-Nakamichi decks, if you play them on the Yamaha. For tapes recorded on the Nak, they will be more accurately played back on the Nak, so you should record on the Yamaha. Your Yamaha also probably has "play trim", which is a help in recording some tapes, although if your Nak has the azimuth adjustment, that may give better playback results than the Nak. 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URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Aug 18 20:11:21 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 19:11:21 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] BlackBox In-Reply-To: <003701c36595$c8a07fc0$7f1a0cd0@r7g1f8> Message-ID: <000101c365b4$20c66f20$9c73893e@oemcomputer> Yep! Buy quality second hand old style cassette deck for buttons, one that has mic i/ps and mixing and feed the signal into your 680ZX. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Babin/Greseth Sent: 18 August 2003 15:34 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] BlackBox NakTalk Friends- I would like to try some live mike recording on my 680ZX, but I can't seem to find a black box for it. I have searched the web. Any suggestions? Randall in Seattle --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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Name: not available URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Mon Aug 18 20:43:31 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 00:13:31 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] BlackBox - do it yourself nak circuit building Message-ID: <20030818184331.152DF15E07@vsnlbill.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From roleo at telus.net Mon Aug 18 19:08:37 2003 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 10:08:37 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] BlackBox References: <003701c36595$c8a07fc0$7f1a0cd0@r7g1f8> Message-ID: <002601c365ab$5e038d90$eca7b742@desktop> If a black box for mic mixing is not available, there are plenty of mixers out there that connect into the RCA jacks on the back of your 680ZX. Many mixers have 2, 3 or more mic inputs and even ones of reasonable quality go for as low as $30.00. Check out the Realistic line of used mixers on E-bay. I know few of us have any Radio Shack products in our systems, but this is one where I was surprised of the value for the money. Very low background noise (if any). Some allow panning to place your mic in the right "location" on the recording, and some also include limited equalization. You can also look at Yamaha DJ mixers as your budget allows. --Roland ----- Original Message ----- From: Babin/Greseth To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 7:34 AM Subject: [naktalk] BlackBox NakTalk Friends- I would like to try some live mike recording on my 680ZX, but I can't seem to find a black box for it. I have searched the web. Any suggestions? Randall in Seattle ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 18 21:37:25 2003 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 12:37:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BlackBox In-Reply-To: <003701c36595$c8a07fc0$7f1a0cd0@r7g1f8> Message-ID: <20030818193725.68159.qmail@web40405.mail.yahoo.com> Randall, Forget about the Black Box stuff. They are really hard to find, as you've noticed. Try this little Behringer Euromixer UB802 Mixer It's got 2 XLR (& 1/4") microphone inputs with phantom power, two sets of stereo inputs, post fader aux send, stereo aux return & three band EQ all for $49.99. http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/sid=030818122527199046200230905682/g=live/g=live/search/bigpid/base_id/88620/ Behringer makes a variety of larger mixer as well as a couple that are even smaller than the UB802 Scott J. --- Babin/Greseth wrote: > NakTalk Friends- > I would like to try some live mike recording on my > 680ZX, but I can't seem to find a black box for it. > I have searched the web. Any suggestions? > > Randall in Seattle> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From msyoder at border.net Tue Aug 19 00:02:15 2003 From: msyoder at border.net (Michael S. Yoder) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 17:02:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BlackBox Message-ID: <000e01c365d4$65e3b5c0$9cf4c1cf@jnorris.ttu.edu> I can vouch for the Behringer Eurorack mixers. I use them exclusively. Despite their cheap price (which reflects that they are assembled in China though designed in Germany), they are definitely professional quality, and quite versatile. The model Scott mentions is also quite small, a little bigger than a hardbound novel. The smallest is a little bigger than a paperback book. They reveal *everything* you feed into them, but the equalization on each channel helps to hide some of the flaws of, say, bad microphones. The new UB series is supposed to have even better (more silent)microphone preamps than the earlier BX series with which I'm more familiar. I have the UB 1202 on order right now for use with various cassette machines, including Nak DR-3 and Tascam 112 MkII to record my jazz trio. Cheers, Michael -----Original Message----- From: Scott Johnson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Date: Monday, August 18, 2003 3:13 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] BlackBox >Randall, > >Forget about the Black Box stuff. They are really >hard to find, as you've noticed. > >Try this little Behringer Euromixer UB802 Mixer >It's got 2 XLR (& 1/4") microphone inputs with phantom >power, two sets of stereo inputs, post fader aux send, >stereo aux return & three band EQ all for $49.99. > >http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/sid=030818122527199046200230905682/g=li ve/g=live/search/bigpid/base_id/88620/ > >Behringer makes a variety of larger mixer as well as a >couple that are even smaller than the UB802 > >Scott J. > >--- Babin/Greseth wrote: >> NakTalk Friends- >> I would like to try some live mike recording on my >> 680ZX, but I can't seem to find a black box for it. >> I have searched the web. Any suggestions? >> >> Randall in Seattle> From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Tue Aug 19 11:03:02 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 11:03:02 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] TDK SA-XG rarity- TDK AR-X: seen but not heard... Message-ID: Hi Kannan, I have "seen" but not heard a TDK AD-X; however, I have never seen an AR-X, although I have read about both. I presume either one of those would equate to Maxell XLI-S. I occasionally use a Maxell UD-I and prefer it overall to the TDK AD. The AR has an incredible capacity for bass - LF level is around +5.5dB!! The AD is fresher, lighter tonally and more balanced, but perhaps less fun!! I don't know whether AD-X and AR-X where just as you suggest, the AD and AR in wolves clothing. I have just checked, AR-X is not AR in a special casing. According to What Hi-Fi's Sept '92 evaluation of tape media, TDK AR has a max mid/ level of +6.1dB, max treble level of +1.6dB and a dynamic range of 59.3dB. AR-X has a max mid/ level of +4.7dB, max treble level +0.8dB and a dynamic range of 58.4dB. Clearly different. Any of these cassettes are very desirable type 1s. Cheers, Marc The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. 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From timbarrett at cox.net Tue Aug 19 04:25:50 2003 From: timbarrett at cox.net (timbarrett at cox.net) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:25:50 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] those darned orange caps Message-ID: <3F41526E.16806.11C7DC6@localhost> Hello all- My ZX-7 may be victim to those dreaded orange caps; if so, this will be my first experience with it. The left channel is noisy on playback, it's a soft rumbling noise which comes and goes and accompanies the music. It only seems to do it in one channel, and it only seems to do it with the EQ switch in the '70' position, not in the '120' position. And sometimes I can make the noise stop for a while by rocking the EQ switch back and forth a few times, which almost makes it seem like a dirty switch, but the noise just isn't typical of a dirty switch. To those of you with orange cap experience, does this sound like a typical symptom? I've opened up the deck and done a quick survey. It looks like if I am going to replace them all, I'll be replacing about 30 capacitors. Thanks in advance for your input. Tim From jvbrhg at seanet.com Tue Aug 19 08:29:40 2003 From: jvbrhg at seanet.com (Babin/Greseth) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 23:29:40 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs. Tascam Message-ID: <001d01c3661b$44e64e40$c71a0cd0@r7g1f8> Nak Friends- These past few days, someone has mentioned that they have a Tascam 122 mrkIII and a Nak. Would you mind sharing you thoughts and preferences of the two. I am looking at a Tascam on Ebay. Randall in Seattle -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jvbrhg at seanet.com Tue Aug 19 08:34:07 2003 From: jvbrhg at seanet.com (Babin/Greseth) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 23:34:07 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] BlackBox References: <003701c36595$c8a07fc0$7f1a0cd0@r7g1f8> <002601c365ab$5e038d90$eca7b742@desktop> Message-ID: <005001c3661b$e45483c0$c71a0cd0@r7g1f8> Thanks for the info and help. Randall ----- Original Message ----- From: Roland Alford To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 10:08 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] BlackBox If a black box for mic mixing is not available, there are plenty of mixers out there that connect into the RCA jacks on the back of your 680ZX. Many mixers have 2, 3 or more mic inputs and even ones of reasonable quality go for as low as $30.00. Check out the Realistic line of used mixers on E-bay. I know few of us have any Radio Shack products in our systems, but this is one where I was surprised of the value for the money. Very low background noise (if any). Some allow panning to place your mic in the right "location" on the recording, and some also include limited equalization. You can also look at Yamaha DJ mixers as your budget allows. --Roland ----- Original Message ----- From: Babin/Greseth To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 7:34 AM Subject: [naktalk] BlackBox NakTalk Friends- I would like to try some live mike recording on my 680ZX, but I can't seem to find a black box for it. I have searched the web. Any suggestions? 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Name: not available URL: From jvbrhg at seanet.com Tue Aug 19 16:11:09 2003 From: jvbrhg at seanet.com (Babin/Greseth) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 07:11:09 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] BlackBox References: <003701c36595$c8a07fc0$7f1a0cd0@r7g1f8><002601c365ab$5e038d90$eca7b742@desktop> <005001c3661b$e45483c0$c71a0cd0@r7g1f8> Message-ID: <002c01c3665b$bd3f3880$161a0cd0@r7g1f8> Roland- Thanks for the info and help Randall ----- Original Message ----- From: Babin/Greseth To: Roland Alford ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 11:34 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] BlackBox Thanks for the info and help. Randall ----- Original Message ----- From: Roland Alford To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 10:08 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] BlackBox If a black box for mic mixing is not available, there are plenty of mixers out there that connect into the RCA jacks on the back of your 680ZX. Many mixers have 2, 3 or more mic inputs and even ones of reasonable quality go for as low as $30.00. Check out the Realistic line of used mixers on E-bay. I know few of us have any Radio Shack products in our systems, but this is one where I was surprised of the value for the money. Very low background noise (if any). Some allow panning to place your mic in the right "location" on the recording, and some also include limited equalization. You can also look at Yamaha DJ mixers as your budget allows. --Roland ----- Original Message ----- From: Babin/Greseth To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 7:34 AM Subject: [naktalk] BlackBox NakTalk Friends- I would like to try some live mike recording on my 680ZX, but I can't seem to find a black box for it. I have searched the web. Any suggestions? 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URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Wed Aug 20 00:37:26 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 08:37:26 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] those darned orange caps Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D022021AA@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Tim it's definately those darn orange caps! My ZX9 did the same thing when I was recording using Dolby C, the left channel would drop down to nothing and that horrid crackling noise just came through the speakers. I replaced the orange caps on the Dolby board and problem solved. I also had another orange cap problem with my erase circuit. When I set my unit to record mode the unit would set the fader to down, the mute light would not turn off and I could not record anything onto my tapes, after a while there was a burning smell comming from the unit. It turns out that the oscillating circuit for the erase head went dead due to a orange cap, I replaced the two caps that made up the circuit and problem fixed (thanks to Stephen for the info on that one). Tom. -----Original Message----- From: timbarrett at cox.net [mailto:timbarrett at cox.net] Sent: Tuesday, 19 August 2003 12:26 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] those darned orange caps Hello all- My ZX-7 may be victim to those dreaded orange caps; if so, this will be my first experience with it. The left channel is noisy on playback, it's a soft rumbling noise which comes and goes and accompanies the music. It only seems to do it in one channel, and it only seems to do it with the EQ switch in the '70' position, not in the '120' position. And sometimes I can make the noise stop for a while by rocking the EQ switch back and forth a few times, which almost makes it seem like a dirty switch, but the noise just isn't typical of a dirty switch. To those of you with orange cap experience, does this sound like a typical symptom? I've opened up the deck and done a quick survey. It looks like if I am going to replace them all, I'll be replacing about 30 capacitors. Thanks in advance for your input. Tim ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From timbarrett at cox.net Wed Aug 20 01:15:48 2003 From: timbarrett at cox.net (timbarrett at cox.net) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 19:15:48 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] those darned orange caps In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D022021AA@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <3F427764.12471.30658E@localhost> Well, I'm sold. Looks like I'll be putting together an order for a bunch of capacitors. Thanks for all of your feedback! Tim On 20 Aug 2003 at 8:37, Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: From: Thomas Siomopoulos To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Subject: RE: [naktalk] those darned orange caps Date sent: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 08:37:26 +1000 Send reply to: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks [ Double-click this line for list subscription options ] Tim it's definately those darn orange caps! My ZX9 did the same thing when I was recording using Dolby C, the left channel would drop down to nothing and that horrid crackling noise just came through the speakers. I replaced the orange caps on the Dolby board and problem solved. I also had another orange cap problem with my erase circuit. When I set my unit to record mode the unit would set the fader to down, the mute light would not turn off and I could not record anything onto my tapes, after a while there was a burning smell comming from the unit. It turns out that the oscillating circuit for the erase head went dead due to a orange cap, I replaced the two caps that made up the circuit and problem fixed (thanks to Stephen for the info on that one). Tom. -----Original Message----- From: timbarrett at cox.net [mailto:timbarrett at cox.net] Sent: Tuesday, 19 August 2003 12:26 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] those darned orange caps Hello all- My ZX-7 may be victim to those dreaded orange caps; if so, this will be my first experience with it. The left channel is noisy on playback, it's a soft rumbling noise which comes and goes and accompanies the music. It only seems to do it in one channel, and it only seems to do it with the EQ switch in the '70' position, not in the '120' position. And sometimes I can make the noise stop for a while by rocking the EQ switch back and forth a few times, which almost makes it seem like a dirty switch, but the noise just isn't typical of a dirty switch. To those of you with orange cap experience, does this sound like a typical symptom? I've opened up the deck and done a quick survey. It looks like if I am going to replace them all, I'll be replacing about 30 capacitors. Thanks in advance for your input. Tim ========---------------------------------------------------------===== ==== Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------===== ==== Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------===== ==== ========---------------------------------------------------------===== ==== Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------===== ==== Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------===== ==== From john_hielman at hotmail.com Wed Aug 20 04:33:05 2003 From: john_hielman at hotmail.com (Hielman John) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:33:05 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] SA-CDs Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vzimakov at mtu-net.ru Wed Aug 20 12:20:56 2003 From: vzimakov at mtu-net.ru (Vladimir) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 14:20:56 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] SA-CDs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <311152925.20030820142056@mtu-net.ru> Hello Hielman, I don't consider that SACD have a great advantage in sound. Sound is detailed , powerfull but absolutely DEAD and COLD, with a lot of mechanical "digital" artifacts, especially on SONYs hardware. Good high-end CD player or transport/dac combo produce more alive sound, for acoustical instruments and classic music and jazz. I listened a lot of SACD hardware from the cheapest one to Accuphase in my laboratory and as for me good LP on EMT or master tape on Studer/Revox or Nakamichi produce more realistic and alive sound than any digital soft/hardware. Technology progress not always give us better sound. "Sound" can not live in CHIPs (-: This is my private opinion. As for technical characteristic any SACD is many many times better than any analogue soft/hard. As sometimes happens, objective is not always equal to subjective... Best regards, Vladimir. > HJ> G'day, HJ> HJ> Just wondering if any of the naktalkers have had experience transferring the contents of a SA-CD onto a Nakamichi cassette tape? Is there a noticable drop in audio quality between a SA-CD and the resultant Nakamichi cassette tape? HJ> HJ> John >> HJ> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= HJ> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register HJ> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= HJ> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist HJ> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk HJ> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Best regards, Vladimir mailto:vzimakov at mtu-net.ru From gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com Wed Aug 20 15:41:00 2003 From: gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com (gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 08:41:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Record level definition Message-ID: Mark Hugo's comments on tape saturation levels for various tapes prompted me to a dumb question - heck, you guys don't know me, what do I have to lose? ;-) What does recording at 0 dB (to pick a number) really mean? I guess I want an answer that an electronic engineer (me) would want. I know that I can attenuate (or boost?) the input signal level until the meters read 0 dB, but what does that mean as far as the signal strength to the record head? I suspect the meters are calibrated to some standard, but what is the standard? Hopefully the question was understandable, anyone want to take a stab at an answer? Gary -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com Wed Aug 20 15:44:48 2003 From: gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com (gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 08:44:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] TDK SA-XG rarity- TDK AR-X: seen but not heard... Message-ID: Where can I get this kind of information, other than 11 year old copies of an extinct(?) magazine? Is this available on-line anywhere? Gary Mark Hugo wrote: >>I have just checked, AR-X is not AR in a special casing. According to What Hi-Fi's Sept '92 evaluation of tape media, TDK AR has a max mid/ level of +6.1dB, max treble level of +1.6dB and a dynamic range of 59.3dB. AR-X has a max mid/ level of +4.7dB, max treble level +0.8dB and a dynamic range of 58.4dB. Clearly different.<< -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From g_valkov at hotmail.com Wed Aug 20 16:25:57 2003 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:25:57 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] TDK SA-XG rarity- TDK AR-X: seen but not heard... Message-ID: Gary, What Hi-Fi is not extinct, as you can see at www.whathifi.com , but apparently you cannot browse online. Maybe someone could scan/mail you a copy of the article you're interested in ? I don't have copies of What Hi-Fi from that far back. George ----Original Message Follows---- From: Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] TDK SA-XG rarity- TDK AR-X: seen but not heard... Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 08:44:48 -0500 Where can I get this kind of information, other than 11 year old copies of an extinct(?) magazine? Is this available on-line anywhere? Gary Mark Hugo wrote: >>I have just checked, AR-X is not AR in a special casing. According to What Hi-Fi's Sept '92 evaluation of tape media, TDK AR has a max mid/ level of +6.1dB, max treble level of +1.6dB and a dynamic range of 59.3dB. AR-X has a max mid/ level of +4.7dB, max treble level +0.8dB and a dynamic range of 58.4dB. Clearly different.<< ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From p9019 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 20 16:54:36 2003 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 07:54:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Record level definition In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030820145436.82510.qmail@web40401.mail.yahoo.com> Nakamichi refers to 0dB as a recording flux of 200nWb/m or nano webers per meter. That's what's on their 400 Hz level tape, DA09005B. I found a web page that refers to 185nW/m as 0dB. which is -1dB on a Nakamichi. http://www.recordingwebsite.com/articles/tapecal.php Scott J. --- gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com wrote: > Mark Hugo's comments on tape saturation levels for > various tapes prompted > me to a dumb question - heck, you guys don't know > me, what do I have to > lose? ;-) > > What does recording at 0 dB (to pick a number) > really mean? I guess I want > an answer that an electronic engineer (me) would > want. I know that I can > attenuate (or boost?) the input signal level until > the meters read 0 dB, > but what does that mean as far as the signal > strength to the record head? > I suspect the meters are calibrated to some > standard, but what is the > standard? > > Hopefully the question was understandable, anyone > want to take a stab at > an answer? > > Gary > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From marcdenis at iquebec.com Wed Aug 20 17:04:21 2003 From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:04:21 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] flutter issues again In-Reply-To: <15c.227f390c.2c70e96c@aol.com> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20030820105928.0329bbc0@pop.iquebec.com> Have you tried fastforwarding and then rewinding these tapes before playing? Tapes that are stored for a while sometimes become "sticky", causing uneven supply and flutter. Transports in good shape, especially dual-capstan ones, are less sensitive to this. Even so, it is considered good practice to fast forward and rewind a new tape before recording onto it. At 10:21 2003/08/17 -0400, you wrote: >Last week I sought help with a flutter issue in my CR1A. I was advised to >lube the capstan bearing, which I did, and the problem was mostly >solved. The CR plays most of the tapes fed into it flawlessly. But there >are a few that still exhibit some flutter. For the most part, it seems to >be during the first few minutes of C100 cassettes, especially those made >by "Thats" and TDK. Also some TDK SA's made in the last few years also >exhibit the flutter (older TDKs seem to be better). I have even noticed >that some 25 year old TDK D's and Maxell LNs play flawlessly while some 5 >year old TDK SAs produce the flutter. One might think the cassettes are >defective, but they play fine in my dual capstan BX 300 and single capstan >Yamaha KX 380. Perhaps it is not really flutter in the usual sense, but >there is a slight but annoying irregularity in the sound of the tape. If >you know anything about trumpet playing, it reminds me of the sound of a >trumpet in need of a draining of saliva. It's as though there are little >bubbles in the sound. Maybe its sloppy head/tape contact. Has anyone >here experienced anything like this? I have noticed it also in an old >Denon DRM 700 that I used to have, which is 3 head, but single >capstan. Anyway, since the CR plays most tapes fine, it seems to be >partly the fault of the cassettes, but since my other decks play the >offending cassettes without the flutter, it must be partly the fault of >the deck. Are some decks less tolerant of tape irregularities? Is there >something that can be done to fix this? It would seem that a $400 >Nakamichi should do as well as a $250 Yamaha, but this is not now the >case. Any ideas? Thanks in advance for any comments. > >Tad >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From calijente at gmx.net Wed Aug 20 17:18:07 2003 From: calijente at gmx.net (calijente at gmx.net) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:18:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Record level definition In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001901c3672e$43720bd0$0d7cce80@Tweezzy> Hi Gary, Check the following link out: http://www.reel2reel.info/Features/TapeLevels.htm It refers to open reel tape machines, but it also applies to cassette decks. To summarize, a "0 dB" input or output level correspond to a 160 nWb/m magnetic flux on tape. Gabe -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 7:41 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Record level definition Mark Hugo's comments on tape saturation levels for various tapes prompted me to a dumb question - heck, you guys don't know me, what do I have to lose? ;-) What does recording at 0 dB (to pick a number) really mean? I guess I want an answer that an electronic engineer (me) would want. I know that I can attenuate (or boost?) the input signal level until the meters read 0 dB, but what does that mean as far as the signal strength to the record head? I suspect the meters are calibrated to some standard, but what is the standard? Hopefully the question was understandable, anyone want to take a stab at an answer? Gary From RTLehe at aol.com Wed Aug 20 17:19:55 2003 From: RTLehe at aol.com (RTLehe at aol.com) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:19:55 EDT Subject: [naktalk] flutter issues again Message-ID: I tried your suggestion and it did help. Thanks. Tad -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From msyoder at border.net Wed Aug 20 17:42:54 2003 From: msyoder at border.net (Michael S. Yoder) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:42:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs. Tascam Message-ID: <002d01c36731$c20d0f00$88f4c1cf@jnorris.ttu.edu> -----Original Message----- From: Babin/Greseth To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Date: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 5:03 AM Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs. Tascam Nak Friends- These past few days, someone has mentioned that they have a Tascam 122 mrkIII and a Nak. Would you mind sharing you thoughts and preferences of the two. I am looking at a Tascam on Ebay. Randall in Seattle ------------------------------------------------------------- Randall, That would be me, except that I have the 112MkII, not the 122MkIII. The 112 is a 2-head deck with no external bias calibration control. . . .indeed a very scaled-back deck. That said, it is HEAVEN with TDK tapes. Tascam told me they calibrate the machine for TDK tapes. I use SA, SA-X, and SM-X. I can only imagine how great the 122 MkIII is, with its ability to quickly calibrate for different tapes. I bought my unit new, because I wanted reliability and that feeling of opening up a brand new unit from the original carton. One thing about the Tascam 112 or 122 (the 3-head version) is that they were and are built and sold to be standard, hard-working, reliable units. By standard I mean that there are technicians everywhere who can work on them after 1000s of hours of use, if repairs or adjustments become necessary. Back to the 112: the detail is stunning. I have also worked with my Nak DR-3 in a studio setting with equally good results. The sound of each is comparable, but different. I can't really put into words what the differences are, but maybe the Nak is a little "warmer" (?). But the Tascam is certainly warm enough, and very revealing of detail in a live recording setting! Nak is easier to deal with in terms of metering the recording levels. Tascam uses averaging meters, and are tricky to work with. I've heard that the 122 series is even more robust (which would probably explain in part why a new one now goes for around $1,100 street, a good $450 more than I paid for my 112.) If you want to buy a used cassette deck for live recording purposes, I'd personally go with the Tascams, and probably the 122 series, since there are many available. Reason I'd go with the Tascams: they're expensive to begin with because of both fidelity and reliability. Reliability is a virtue when buying used gear, many people can work on them because they were recording studio industry standard units for years and years, and you probably will find over the course of a month of watching on e-bay that there will be many of them available, and therefore available at good prices. Look for a seller named "WBob" or "WolfBob" or something like that. He fixes up and calibrates units, then sells them. I've emailed him a few times with questions, and from his replies I get the sense that he really knows what he's doing, whereas some e-bay sellers seem to be opportunistic people who buy and sell stuff they know nothing about, just to turn around a quickie profit. Better yet, if you're serious and can save up $650, get a new 112 MkII at Zzounds. Cheers, Michael -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jberger at well.com Thu Aug 21 07:09:47 2003 From: jberger at well.com (John Berger) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 22:09:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon CT for sale at Audiogon Message-ID: I was checking this site for other items, and found this rarity -- a Nakamichi dragon CT centering turntable. Too rich for my blood right now, but I thought someone here might find it interesting. From jerryjg at webtv.net Thu Aug 21 00:05:38 2003 From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:05:38 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [naktalk] which decks get o.c.s.? Message-ID: <11598-3F43F0B2-1216@storefull-2231.public.lawson.webtv.net> i own a nak.700 tri-tracer.is this a deck that is subject to the orange capacitor syndrome? thank you very much, gerald From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Aug 21 10:06:37 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 09:06:37 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon CT for sale at Audiogon In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002601c367bb$24e77640$c066893e@oemcomputer> Shhlurp! Dribble dribble ... > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of John Berger > Sent: 21 August 2003 06:10 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Dragon CT for sale at Audiogon > > > I was checking this site for other items, and found this rarity -- a > Nakamichi dragon CT centering turntable. > > > > Too rich for my blood right now, but I thought someone here might find it > interesting. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.510 / Virus Database: 307 - Release Date: 14/08/03 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.510 / Virus Database: 307 - Release Date: 14/08/03 From jmtooley at ce.net Thu Aug 21 13:45:04 2003 From: jmtooley at ce.net (jmtooley at ce.net) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 07:45:04 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon CT for sale at Audiogon In-Reply-To: <002601c367bb$24e77640$c066893e@oemcomputer> References: <002601c367bb$24e77640$c066893e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <1061466304.3f44b0c09bc86@mail.ce.net> Gra' I was just wondering if that Nak. turntable would wet your appetite! What a treat to set that up and listen to it! John T. Quoting Nelson : > Shhlurp! Dribble dribble ... > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of John Berger > > Sent: 21 August 2003 06:10 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] Dragon CT for sale at Audiogon > > > > > > I was checking this site for other items, and found this rarity -- a > > Nakamichi dragon CT centering turntable. > > > > > > > > Too rich for my blood right now, but I thought someone here might find it > > interesting. > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > --- > > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.510 / Virus Database: 307 - Release Date: 14/08/03 > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.510 / Virus Database: 307 - Release Date: 14/08/03 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Aug 22 00:11:09 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 23:11:09 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon CT for sale at Audiogon In-Reply-To: <1061466304.3f44b0c09bc86@mail.ce.net> Message-ID: <000601c36831$2029c380$2cdc883e@oemcomputer> Oh, yes, yes, YES!!! (Forget sex - it's well over rated - give me fine music and some wonderful gear to play it through ...) > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of jmtooley at ce.net > Sent: 21 August 2003 12:45 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon CT for sale at Audiogon > > > Gra' > > I was just wondering if that Nak. turntable would wet your > appetite! What a > treat to set that up and listen to it! > > John T. > > Quoting Nelson : > > > Shhlurp! Dribble dribble ... > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > > Behalf Of John Berger > > > Sent: 21 August 2003 06:10 > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: [naktalk] Dragon CT for sale at Audiogon > > > > > > > > > I was checking this site for other items, and found this rarity -- a > > > Nakamichi dragon CT centering turntable. > > > > > > > > > > > > Too rich for my blood right now, but I thought someone here > might find it > > > interesting. > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > --- > > > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > Version: 6.0.510 / Virus Database: 307 - Release Date: 14/08/03 > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.510 / Virus Database: 307 - Release Date: 14/08/03 > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.510 / Virus Database: 307 - Release Date: 14/08/03 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.510 / Virus Database: 307 - Release Date: 14/08/03 From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Aug 22 01:27:10 2003 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 17:27:10 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] which decks get o.c.s.? References: <11598-3F43F0B2-1216@storefull-2231.public.lawson.webtv.net> Message-ID: <00cc01c3683b$c220e240$0d3442cf@steve> The only Naks that are NOT subject to orange cap disease are: 700 700II 1000 1000II 550 500 350 250 All of the rest are potential OCD units. The 700/700II are, however, very prone to "loose contact disease", so one almost always needs to take the deck apart and tighten each & every individual contact spring of every board edge connector in the unit, including those used as cable interconnectors, such as on the logic board. Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer Talking Dog Transducer Company http://stephensank.com 5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] 505-332-0336 Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer Payments preferred through Paypal.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerald G." To: Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 4:05 PM Subject: [naktalk] which decks get o.c.s.? > i own a nak.700 tri-tracer.is this a deck that is subject to the orange > capacitor syndrome? > > thank you very much, > gerald > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From jhkim at pentamicro.com Fri Aug 22 02:42:58 2003 From: jhkim at pentamicro.com (=?ks_c_5601-1987?B?sejBvsf2XChKb25naHllb24gS2ltXCk=?=) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 09:42:58 +0900 Subject: [naktalk] Is it good price? (CR5/$260) Message-ID: <006b01c36846$57f7c180$1901a8c0@jhkim> Hi all, I live in south korea and I will buy nakamichi deck A CR-5 deck which is good condition is about $260. A DR-10(new product) is about $380 1. Is it good price for CR-5 ? 2 .Considering price and performance, If you were me which deck you would buy? a new DR-10 or a second-hand CR5? Thanks. Jonghyeon Kim Seoul, Korea From jvbrhg at seanet.com Fri Aug 22 02:51:31 2003 From: jvbrhg at seanet.com (Babin/Greseth) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 17:51:31 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Some Knowledge Please... Message-ID: <001001c36847$87ae0000$b11c0cd0@r7g1f8> Nak Dudes- I am a purest audiophile: a Nak owner, an analog lover, a accepting cd player, a conosueir of vinyl, and a lover of Nak-talk. But, I am not knowledgeable in the arena of audio electronics/repair etc. Can someone please give me a brief education/explanation/watchdog knowledge (what I signs I should look for on my 680ZX) regarding ORANGE-CAP DISEASE. Help!!! 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USA /// ti at amb.org ////// http://www.amb.org/ti/ /// From RTLehe at aol.com Fri Aug 22 05:12:29 2003 From: RTLehe at aol.com (RTLehe at aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 23:12:29 EDT Subject: [naktalk] a few questions for knowledgeable nak afficianados Message-ID: <69.3b659000.2c76e41d@aol.com> I like the CR-1A because of its gear drive and standard playback eq. Did the CR-3A come out before Nakamichi made the changes in the idler AND the playback eq.? In other words, does the 3A have the older idler drive and the older standard playback eq? Other unrelated questions: are Nakamichi decks less reliable than Denon, Yamaha, et.al.? Which Naks are the most reliable and cheapest to maintain? Thanks, Tad -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From msyoder at border.net Fri Aug 22 05:04:12 2003 From: msyoder at border.net (Michael S. Yoder) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 22:04:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Is it good price? (CR5/$260) Message-ID: <000801c3685a$11824040$89f4c1cf@jnorris.ttu.edu> Go for the new DR-10, even if you get the CR-5, too. That's a great price. And it's NEW!!!! That means warranty and reliability, and you KNOW who the original owner is. . . . . .YOU!!! Is it the version with the "chapmpagne" finish? Of all the members of this list, you could have the newest Nakamichi machine of all! Just my 2 cents. Michael -----Original Message----- From: 김종현(Jonghyeon Kim) To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, August 21, 2003 7:53 PM Subject: [naktalk] Is it good price? (CR5/$260) >Hi all, > >I live in south korea and I will buy nakamichi deck > >A CR-5 deck which is good condition is about $260. > >A DR-10(new product) is about $380 > > > 1. Is it good price for CR-5 ? > > 2 .Considering price and performance, If you were me which deck you would buy? > > a new DR-10 or a second-hand CR5? > > >Thanks. > >Jonghyeon Kim >Seoul, Korea > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 22 07:06:21 2003 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 22:06:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Is it good price? (CR5/$260) In-Reply-To: <006b01c36846$57f7c180$1901a8c0@jhkim> Message-ID: <20030822050621.62162.qmail@web40405.mail.yahoo.com> I am not thrilled with the quality of the newer decks. but they are a lot newer and possibly less likely to need repair. $260 for the CR-5 isn't too bad. I would go for the CR-5 over the DR-10. Personally I would get the BX-300 or MR-1. They are basically the same decks as the CR-5 except the front panels are different. The MR-1 and BX-300 are nearly identical to each other. The MR-1 has professional I/O connectors and the meters on the MR-1 have more LEDs. You just need to be aware of the rubber idler in some BX and MR series decks needs to be replaced periodically (2 years). Scott J. --- ������\(Jonghyeon Kim\) wrote: > Hi all, > > I live in south korea and I will buy nakamichi deck > > A CR-5 deck which is good condition is about $260. > > A DR-10(new product) is about $380 > > > 1. Is it good price for CR-5 ? > > 2 .Considering price and performance, If you were > me which deck you would buy? > > a new DR-10 or a second-hand CR5? > > > Thanks. > > Jonghyeon Kim > Seoul, Korea > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========-------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Aug 22 10:05:38 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 09:05:38 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ) In-Reply-To: <20030822050621.62162.qmail@web40405.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001c36884$2c8b3c00$88d3883e@oemcomputer> I find I am unable to open any e-mails from Nak brothers using AOL addresses. My Outlook 98 crashes at the attempt. Anyone else having this problem or is it just me? Graham > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.510 / Virus Database: 307 - Release Date: 14/08/03 From christopher.winter at siemens.com Fri Aug 22 10:32:16 2003 From: christopher.winter at siemens.com (Winter Christopher) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 10:32:16 +0200 Subject: AW: [naktalk] ) Message-ID: <01D01E6BE11A9446860268017C32F1F47D433D@BBUV0EXA.bbuv.ww011.siemens.net> Hello Graham, I'm using Outlook 98 (Version 8.5.5104.6) and I'm not encountering this problem (although it may be quite a nice try from micro$oft alias skynet...) Check for HTML mails - since Outlook opens an internet-explorer window every time this mail type is displayed, it may depend of the mail's contents and the problem may be outside of outlook. Christopher -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Gesendet am: Freitag, 22. August 2003 10:06 An: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Betreff: RE: [naktalk] ) I find I am unable to open any e-mails from Nak brothers using AOL addresses. My Outlook 98 crashes at the attempt. Anyone else having this problem or is it just me? Graham From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Aug 22 11:06:44 2003 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 03:06:44 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] a few questions for knowledgeable nak afficianados References: <69.3b659000.2c76e41d@aol.com> Message-ID: <01f501c3688c$b9621970$0d3442cf@steve> The CR-1/2/3/4 were never made with rubber idlers, as they were introduced simultaneously with the "gear upgrade". Only the CR-7(pre-A130-08677) was afflicted with the record EQ mistakes. As for playback EQ, the Sendust head 2-head models, i.e., CR-1/2, as well as RX202, BX1/2/100/125/150, DR3/8, MR-2, CassetteDeck2/3, were actually "off standard" per usual Nak standards, having been made closer to IEC-2(the easier to meet standard used by the other "crap" deck makers), due to the poorer high frequency playback ability of the Sendust vs crystal permalloy heads, so should theoretically make tapes that sound more normal on other maker's decks. This does, however, say that these decks are "crap" compared to crystal permalloy head Naks(i.e., all 3-head Naks, plus the 580, 550, 500 and 350 2-head decks). I agree with this statement, but also say that the 2-head Naks are still far and away better than almost every other makers' best decks. Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer Talking Dog Transducer Company http://stephensank.com 5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] 505-332-0336 Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer Payments preferred through Paypal.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 9:12 PM Subject: [naktalk] a few questions for knowledgeable nak afficianados > I like the CR-1A because of its gear drive and standard playback eq. Did the > CR-3A come out before Nakamichi made the changes in the idler AND the > playback eq.? In other words, does the 3A have the older idler drive and the older > standard playback eq? > Other unrelated questions: are Nakamichi decks less reliable than Denon, > Yamaha, et.al.? Which Naks are the most reliable and cheapest to maintain? > > Thanks, > Tad > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From stan.targowski at comcast.net Fri Aug 22 10:52:49 2003 From: stan.targowski at comcast.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 03:52:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Is it good price? (CR5/$260) In-Reply-To: <006b01c36846$57f7c180$1901a8c0@jhkim> Message-ID: It all depends on the condition of CR-5. If it is in really good condition, it is a much better deck than DR-10. It is really a CR-7 sans calibration system. A beautiful deck. Both decks have the same features (bias, no calibration, no azymuth.) One is older, great sounding. I am not sure why someone suggested MR1 or BX300 over MR1 over CR5? Both are older decks. MR1 being really a professional version of BX-300 (with additional pro inputs.) In my opinion, for home use, CR5 is superior to either. My 2 cents. Stan -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of 김종현(Jonghyeon Kim) Sent: Thu, August 21, 2003 7:43 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Is it good price? (CR5/$260) Hi all, I live in south korea and I will buy nakamichi deck A CR-5 deck which is good condition is about $260. A DR-10(new product) is about $380 1. Is it good price for CR-5 ? 2 .Considering price and performance, If you were me which deck you would buy? a new DR-10 or a second-hand CR5? Thanks. Jonghyeon Kim Seoul, Korea ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From RTLehe at aol.com Fri Aug 22 14:32:34 2003 From: RTLehe at aol.com (RTLehe at aol.com) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 08:32:34 EDT Subject: [naktalk] a few questions for knowledgeable nak afficianados Message-ID: <118.27e6c651.2c776762@aol.com> Thanks, that helps a lot. I now have a functional BX-300 and CR-1A, after 25 years of using the "crap" decks. The CR more accurately plays back my 2,000 odd tapes I have accumulated over the years, so I use it for playback and the BX for recording. I was thinking of getting another deck for backup (paranoia about the fact that Naks are getting older and harder to get serviced). So if I have this right, any of the two-heads since BX will match my old tapes, and even the newer (CR through DR) will match the BX-300. Is that what you are saying? I also have a BX-125, that has playback output reduced by 15 db and 10 db respectively in the left and right channels. I figure it needs a new head. I also figured it would have the eq of the BX-300, but it sounds like from what you are saying it would be more like the CR. That is something I need to know before deciding whether to get it fixed or replace it. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Aug 22 15:12:54 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 09:12:54 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] which decks get o.c.s.? In-Reply-To: <00cc01c3683b$c220e240$0d3442cf@steve> References: <11598-3F43F0B2-1216@storefull-2231.public.lawson.webtv.net> <00cc01c3683b$c220e240$0d3442cf@steve> Message-ID: <3F4616D6.1010104@rcn.com> The CR-2 has no orange caps in it. -- Ron Stephen Sank wrote: > The only Naks that are NOT subject to orange cap disease are: > 700 > 700II > 1000 > 1000II > 550 > 500 > 350 > 250 > All of the rest are potential OCD units. The 700/700II are, however, very > prone to "loose contact disease", so one almost always needs to take the > deck apart and tighten each & every individual contact spring of every board > edge connector in the unit, including those used as cable interconnectors, > such as on the logic board. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer > Talking Dog Transducer Company > http://stephensank.com > 5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] > 505-332-0336 > Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer > Payments preferred through Paypal.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gerald G." > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 4:05 PM > Subject: [naktalk] which decks get o.c.s.? > > > >>i own a nak.700 tri-tracer.is this a deck that is subject to the orange >>capacitor syndrome? >> >>thank you very much, >>gerald From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Aug 22 19:52:23 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 23:22:23 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Is it good price? (CR5/$260) Message-ID: <20030822175223.8ED2D15E34@vsnlbill.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From jerryjg at webtv.net Fri Aug 22 15:40:14 2003 From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 08:40:14 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [naktalk] RE:CT for sale at Audigon(Nelson) Message-ID: <20112-3F461D3E-197@storefull-2235.public.lawson.webtv.net> Sex Overrated?,though most sex is, I agree ,"overrated ",an excellent unit in perfect working order does provide outstanding quality,though these units are very costly and high maintenance.That is not to say that an outstanding value cannot be had by getting a used unit with relatively few hours,though such units are scarce and in high demand,and subject to reliablity issues. thank you very much, gerald From colem at georgetown.edu Fri Aug 22 19:06:31 2003 From: colem at georgetown.edu (Michael Cole) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 13:06:31 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Which is the better of the two - 660/680ZX or MR-1? Message-ID: <3F464D97.2090603@georgetown.edu> Hi everyone, I'm considering paring down my Nakamichi collection. I have a pair of MR-1s and a 660ZX and a 680ZX as well as a pair of 1000s. Which, in the view of our experts, is considered to be the superior deck - the 660/680 ZX series or the MR-1? I think I'd like to keep the 1000s. I may very well end up keeping them all! I realize that the ZXs have auto azimuth and RAMM whereas the MR-1s have Dolby C and all are 3 - head machines but, overall, which are the better machines? Thanks, Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Aug 23 01:54:15 2003 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 17:54:15 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] which decks get o.c.s.? References: <11598-3F43F0B2-1216@storefull-2231.public.lawson.webtv.net><00cc01c3683b$c220e240$0d3442cf@steve> <3F4616D6.1010104@rcn.com> Message-ID: <02a701c36908$b832fcf0$0d3442cf@steve> Some CR-2's may not have orange caps, but not all. Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer Talking Dog Transducer Company http://stephensank.com 5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] 505-332-0336 Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer Payments preferred through Paypal.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 7:12 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] which decks get o.c.s.? > > The CR-2 has no orange caps in it. > > -- Ron > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > The only Naks that are NOT subject to orange cap disease are: > > 700 > > 700II > > 1000 > > 1000II > > 550 > > 500 > > 350 > > 250 > > All of the rest are potential OCD units. The 700/700II are, however, very > > prone to "loose contact disease", so one almost always needs to take the > > deck apart and tighten each & every individual contact spring of every board > > edge connector in the unit, including those used as cable interconnectors, > > such as on the logic board. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Talking Dog Transducer Company > > http://stephensank.com > > 5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] > > 505-332-0336 > > Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer > > Payments preferred through Paypal.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gerald G." > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 4:05 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] which decks get o.c.s.? > > > > > > > >>i own a nak.700 tri-tracer.is this a deck that is subject to the orange > >>capacitor syndrome? > >> > >>thank you very much, > >>gerald > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Aug 23 02:00:14 2003 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 18:00:14 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] a few questions for knowledgeable nak afficianados References: <118.27e6c651.2c776762@aol.com> Message-ID: <02bb01c36909$8b7dde90$0d3442cf@steve> The newer *3-head* CR/DR decks will have the same EQ as the BX300 yes, but not necessarily sound exactly the same, qualitatively. And the BX125 will have the same EQ as the CR-1, yes. If you mean that the overall level on the BX125 is 10 & 15dB down, then either the head has been painted with clear enamel(since I assume it looks clean), or there are circuitry problems. I have never seen a tape head THAT defective/worn. You may just need to remove the small relay at the front end of the pb amp & clean it's tiny contacts thoroughly. If the level goes up & down when you tap on the relay, then that's it. Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer Talking Dog Transducer Company http://stephensank.com 5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] 505-332-0336 Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer Payments preferred through Paypal.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 6:32 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] a few questions for knowledgeable nak afficianados > Thanks, that helps a lot. I now have a functional BX-300 and CR-1A, after 25 > years of using the "crap" decks. The CR more accurately plays back my 2,000 > odd tapes I have accumulated over the years, so I use it for playback and the > BX for recording. I was thinking of getting another deck for backup (paranoia > about the fact that Naks are getting older and harder to get serviced). So > if I have this right, any of the two-heads since BX will match my old tapes, > and even the newer (CR through DR) will match the BX-300. Is that what you are > saying? I also have a BX-125, that has playback output reduced by 15 db and > 10 db respectively in the left and right channels. I figure it needs a new > head. I also figured it would have the eq of the BX-300, but it sounds like from > what you are saying it would be more like the CR. That is something I need > to know before deciding whether to get it fixed or replace it. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From Modernizy at netscape.net Sat Aug 23 06:52:16 2003 From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 00:52:16 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] TDK AR-X: seen and tested... Message-ID: <6FA16CEE.4CC89F40.026D48C1@netscape.net> Hi, Kannan and Marc, As always I'm a bit late with my answer but "better late than never", right? TDK AR-X tape is the best Normal position tape I've ever encountered. I have a box of them (10) in my collection, all recorded and they proved to keep their excellent parameters. First, it's really quiet, superceding even most common Chrome formulations in the market. In fact I remember that on the wrapper of this cassette was some blah-blah-blah about it coming very close to Metal ones in terms of noise figures and frequency curve shape. Second, the records sound extremely (I would say cristal) clear and transparent. The highs are marvelous, pleasant to ear and not-fatiguing. As for the shell it is quite ordinary TDK shell without any metal housings or inserts. It has screws. The tape is dark brown (I suppose there are some cobalt components were used in the formulation) quite different from the usual colour of TDK Type I tapes. Unfortunately it is (as all good cassette things in this world) out of production for a long time. I also tried TDK AD, AD-X and AR but AR-X is just the best. Nicholas. __________________________________________________________________ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 From wdrewes at iafrica.com Sat Aug 23 07:07:18 2003 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wdrewes) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 07:07:18 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 810 Message-ID: <003001c36936$0a9cbb20$98231ec4@private> There is a Nakamichi 810 Cassette Deck on eBay.Has anyone heard of this thing before?It looks vaguely like a black LX3 walter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Sat Aug 23 04:21:30 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 12:21:30 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Which is the better of the two - 660/680ZX or MR-1? Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D022021AE@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> I think the 680ZX is clearly superior than the MR-1, and better than the 660ZX because you have record tape monitoring. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Michael Cole [mailto:colem at georgetown.edu] Sent: Saturday, 23 August 2003 3:07 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Which is the better of the two - 660/680ZX or MR-1? Hi everyone, I'm considering paring down my Nakamichi collection. I have a pair of MR-1s and a 660ZX and a 680ZX as well as a pair of 1000s. Which, in the view of our experts, is considered to be the superior deck - the 660/680 ZX series or the MR-1? I think I'd like to keep the 1000s. I may very well end up keeping them all! I realize that the ZXs have auto azimuth and RAMM whereas the MR-1s have Dolby C and all are 3 - head machines but, overall, which are the better machines? Thanks, Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Thu Aug 21 12:15:52 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 12:15:52 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] SA-CDs Message-ID: HI John, I haven't got a lot of experience with this, but can say that the transfers from HDCD to quality cassette media, in particular, recorded on a Nakamichis, reflect the additional spaciousness and aural acoustic that is characteristic of this enhanced format, whereas ordinary CDs do not. A firend of mine has the Nak DR-1 and an entry level Sony SACD player, and the compilation cassette copies he did on TDK SA-X are brilliant. He doesn't have many SACDs (who does?) but this compo was done entirely from tracks on this new 24 bit format, and I must admit, the detail, depth and unusual soundstage composed of different and separate dynamics that distinguishes SACD/DVD-A formats from regular CD was quite obviousl I surmise this would be lost with CD-R, and presumably minidisc, unless you copied in the analogue domain. I'm not sure what those outcomes would be. Incidently, I also heard a 2nd generation copy of a studio master tape on his TEAC 2000M (I think that's the model) (running at 15ips on Maxell UD). Now that's incredible.......... Cheers, Marc From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Aug 23 12:44:56 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 11:44:56 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] TDK AR-X: seen and tested... In-Reply-To: <6FA16CEE.4CC89F40.026D48C1@netscape.net> Message-ID: <001801c36963$978ec1e0$4f67893e@oemcomputer> I recall a UK hi fi magazine doing a mini review of tapes within a cassette review (might even have been a Nakamichi), wherein the reviewer reckoned that TDK AD was THE best of all the TDK tapes save for the metal ones for reproducing the lower frequencies. Have to say that, qualitatively, that has NOT been my experience but may be someone out there has some figures to back up this claim? Graham > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Nick > Sent: 23 August 2003 05:52 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] TDK AR-X: seen and tested... > > > Hi, Kannan and Marc, > > As always I'm a bit late with my answer but "better late than > never", right? > > TDK AR-X tape is the best Normal position tape I've ever > encountered. I have a box of them (10) in my collection, all > recorded and they proved to keep their excellent parameters. > > First, it's really quiet, superceding even most common Chrome > formulations in the market. In fact I remember that on the > wrapper of this cassette was some blah-blah-blah about it coming > very close to Metal ones in terms of noise figures and frequency > curve shape. > > Second, the records sound extremely (I would say cristal) clear > and transparent. The highs are marvelous, pleasant to ear and > not-fatiguing. > > As for the shell it is quite ordinary TDK shell without any metal > housings or inserts. It has screws. The tape is dark brown (I > suppose there are some cobalt components were used in the > formulation) quite different from the usual colour of TDK Type I tapes. > > Unfortunately it is (as all good cassette things in this world) > out of production for a long time. > > I also tried TDK AD, AD-X and AR but AR-X is just the best. > > Nicholas. > > > __________________________________________________________________ > McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. > Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free > trial today! > http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 > > Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! > http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 19/08/03 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 19/08/03 From jerryjg at webtv.net Sat Aug 23 22:24:31 2003 From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 15:24:31 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [naktalk] which heads on an RX-303 Message-ID: <15298-3F47CD7F-199@storefull-2231.public.lawson.webtv.net> Question regarding my RX-303 2 head deck : does it have the "Crappy" sendust alloy heads or the good crystal-permallaoy heads?the owners manual does not state this information.Also,does the Rx-303 have ORANGE CAPS? thank you very much, gerald From jvbrhg at seanet.com Sat Aug 23 23:18:06 2003 From: jvbrhg at seanet.com (Babin/Greseth) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 14:18:06 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 Info References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02202194@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <002301c369bc$0ddd9760$431b0cd0@r7g1f8> Tom- Thanks for the advice. I did as you said, and it did help a lot. Its about 98 percent ok. When you open a new tape, do you usually fast forward and rewind the tape once or twice before you start to record? Do you think there is a problem with using a tape longer than a C-90? Sometimes I think the 110s are too hard to pull. Cheers, Randall in Seattle ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 7:11 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR7 Info Randall try doing the following, clean the pinch roller, heads and capstains plus give it a good demag. Secondly have a look at the pinch roller arms (especially the left one), take the tape out close the door and press play, does the arm lift up to position correctly? When I received my 680ZX the pivot arm was not moving due to hardened grease and the levels were going up and down like a yo-yo. If it does go up then remove the front cover and while in the play mode press lightly on the pinch roller arm to see if there is sufficient "spring back". Let me know how you go. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Babin/Greseth [mailto:jvbrhg at seanet.com] Sent: Monday, 11 August 2003 1:22 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 Info It happens on both, and more so on metal tape. The usual Maxell XS90s that I use don't seem to do it much. Recently though I have switched to TDK metal. I think I like it better. Randall -- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 3:05 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR7 Info Hi Randall. I too suffer the same with my 680ZX, can you tell me which channel it is doing it on (left, right or both)? Don't worry too much, the recordings still sound great on it. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Babin/Greseth [mailto:jvbrhg at seanet.com] Sent: Sunday, 10 August 2003 3:12 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] CR7 Info Nak Friends- Seems I read on the site that the A in CR7A means for export to America. Is that correct? I am considering buying a CR7 from a friend. It has no A on the type. Would this mean that it was purchased in Japan? Any other thoughts on the CR7 model? I wish I had bought one when they came out, but missed the boat. Also, I use isopropyl alcohol to clean capstans and heads. What should I use to clean rubber parts, pinch rollers etc? 3rd question: When I am adjusting the bias on my 680ZX, sometimes the flourscan meter will not stay right on the "zero" mark. It jumps one mark up and back and then one mark back and then to zero. This happens mostly on TDK metal tape. Any thoughts? 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URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Aug 24 01:31:51 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 00:31:51 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 Info In-Reply-To: <002301c369bc$0ddd9760$431b0cd0@r7g1f8> Message-ID: <000d01c369ce$bb05ba00$4564893e@oemcomputer> If I might butt in? I have long been advised that there is a risk of the tape stretching when the recorder is in Play or Recording if the tape has become slightly slack, which is why the early Memorex Chrome tapes had little white caps to fit in the cassette's cogs to stop the tape slackening. This being the case, it is probably good practice to wind a tape through to end and then rewind. However, I have never been happy about doing this with fast forward, although I've never seem to have spoiled atape by doing this. Nevertheless, I cannot help but feel that, if a tape is loose, the speed of the fast forward might tug too hard on a piece of slack tape and stretch it anyway! Call me paranoid but these days, I tend to tighten the tape using a hand spooler before submitting it for a fast forward and rewind. I believe Nakamichi never recommended using anything longer than C90s on their decks. Personally, I have had disastrous results with metal C110's on my ZX9. It'll record onto them okay but eats the tapes when I try to replay them! So, I stick with C90s on it and everything is fine. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Babin/Greseth Sent: 23 August 2003 22:18 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 Info Tom- Thanks for the advice. I did as you said, and it did help a lot. Its about 98 percent ok. When you open a new tape, do you usually fast forward and rewind the tape once or twice before you start to record? Do you think there is a problem with using a tape longer than a C-90? Sometimes I think the 110s are too hard to pull. Cheers, Randall in Seattle ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 7:11 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR7 Info Randall try doing the following, clean the pinch roller, heads and capstains plus give it a good demag. Secondly have a look at the pinch roller arms (especially the left one), take the tape out close the door and press play, does the arm lift up to position correctly? When I received my 680ZX the pivot arm was not moving due to hardened grease and the levels were going up and down like a yo-yo. If it does go up then remove the front cover and while in the play mode press lightly on the pinch roller arm to see if there is sufficient "spring back". Let me know how you go. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Babin/Greseth [mailto:jvbrhg at seanet.com] Sent: Monday, 11 August 2003 1:22 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 Info It happens on both, and more so on metal tape. The usual Maxell XS90s that I use don't seem to do it much. Recently though I have switched to TDK metal. I think I like it better. Randall -- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 3:05 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR7 Info Hi Randall. I too suffer the same with my 680ZX, can you tell me which channel it is doing it on (left, right or both)? Don't worry too much, the recordings still sound great on it. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Babin/Greseth [mailto:jvbrhg at seanet.com] Sent: Sunday, 10 August 2003 3:12 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] CR7 Info Nak Friends- Seems I read on the site that the A in CR7A means for export to America. Is that correct? I am considering buying a CR7 from a friend. It has no A on the type. Would this mean that it was purchased in Japan? Any other thoughts on the CR7 model? I wish I had bought one when they came out, but missed the boat. Also, I use isopropyl alcohol to clean capstans and heads. What should I use to clean rubber parts, pinch rollers etc? 3rd question: When I am adjusting the bias on my 680ZX, sometimes the flourscan meter will not stay right on the "zero" mark. It jumps one mark up and back and then one mark back and then to zero. This happens mostly on TDK metal tape. Any thoughts? 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I have long been advised that there is a risk of the tape stretching when the recorder is in Play or Recording if the tape has become slightly slack, which is why the early Memorex Chrome tapes had little white caps to fit in the cassette's cogs to stop the tape slackening. This being the case, it is probably good practice to wind a tape through to end and then rewind. However, I have never been happy about doing this with fast forward, although I've never seem to have spoiled atape by doing this. Nevertheless, I cannot help but feel that, if a tape is loose, the speed of the fast forward might tug too hard on a piece of slack tape and stretch it anyway! Call me paranoid but these days, I tend to tighten the tape using a hand spooler before submitting it for a fast forward and rewind. I believe Nakamichi never recommended using anything longer than C90s on their decks. Personally, I have had disastrous results with metal C110's on my ZX9. It'll record onto them okay but eats the tapes when I try to replay them! So, I stick with C90s on it and everything is fine. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Babin/Greseth Sent: 23 August 2003 22:18 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 Info Tom- Thanks for the advice. I did as you said, and it did help a lot. Its about 98 percent ok. When you open a new tape, do you usually fast forward and rewind the tape once or twice before you start to record? Do you think there is a problem with using a tape longer than a C-90? Sometimes I think the 110s are too hard to pull. Cheers, Randall in Seattle ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 7:11 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR7 Info Randall try doing the following, clean the pinch roller, heads and capstains plus give it a good demag. Secondly have a look at the pinch roller arms (especially the left one), take the tape out close the door and press play, does the arm lift up to position correctly? When I received my 680ZX the pivot arm was not moving due to hardened grease and the levels were going up and down like a yo-yo. If it does go up then remove the front cover and while in the play mode press lightly on the pinch roller arm to see if there is sufficient "spring back". Let me know how you go. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Babin/Greseth [mailto:jvbrhg at seanet.com] Sent: Monday, 11 August 2003 1:22 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 Info It happens on both, and more so on metal tape. The usual Maxell XS90s that I use don't seem to do it much. Recently though I have switched to TDK metal. I think I like it better. Randall -- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 3:05 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR7 Info Hi Randall. I too suffer the same with my 680ZX, can you tell me which channel it is doing it on (left, right or both)? Don't worry too much, the recordings still sound great on it. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Babin/Greseth [mailto:jvbrhg at seanet.com] Sent: Sunday, 10 August 2003 3:12 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] CR7 Info Nak Friends- Seems I read on the site that the A in CR7A means for export to America. Is that correct? I am considering buying a CR7 from a friend. It has no A on the type. Would this mean that it was purchased in Japan? Any other thoughts on the CR7 model? I wish I had bought one when they came out, but missed the boat. Also, I use isopropyl alcohol to clean capstans and heads. What should I use to clean rubber parts, pinch rollers etc? 3rd question: When I am adjusting the bias on my 680ZX, sometimes the flourscan meter will not stay right on the "zero" mark. It jumps one mark up and back and then one mark back and then to zero. This happens mostly on TDK metal tape. Any thoughts? 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URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Sun Aug 24 06:14:50 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 14:14:50 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 Info Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D022021B4@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Randall. I normally just place the fresh tape in the machine and record on it. I've been doing this on my Naks for years and to date still no problems. I've been using all sorts of lengths from 30 min, all the way up to 120 min and the machines show no sign of problems. However, the late TDK AD, AR tapes with 100 min show that they do not last as long as the 60 and 90 min tapes. Regards, Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Babin/Greseth [mailto:jvbrhg at seanet.com] Sent: Sunday, 24 August 2003 7:18 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 Info Tom- Thanks for the advice. I did as you said, and it did help a lot. Its about 98 percent ok. When you open a new tape, do you usually fast forward and rewind the tape once or twice before you start to record? Do you think there is a problem with using a tape longer than a C-90? Sometimes I think the 110s are too hard to pull. Cheers, Randall in Seattle ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 7:11 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR7 Info Randall try doing the following, clean the pinch roller, heads and capstains plus give it a good demag. Secondly have a look at the pinch roller arms (especially the left one), take the tape out close the door and press play, does the arm lift up to position correctly? When I received my 680ZX the pivot arm was not moving due to hardened grease and the levels were going up and down like a yo-yo. If it does go up then remove the front cover and while in the play mode press lightly on the pinch roller arm to see if there is sufficient "spring back". Let me know how you go. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Babin/Greseth [mailto:jvbrhg at seanet.com] Sent: Monday, 11 August 2003 1:22 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 Info It happens on both, and more so on metal tape. The usual Maxell XS90s that I use don't seem to do it much. Recently though I have switched to TDK metal. I think I like it better. Randall -- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 3:05 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR7 Info Hi Randall. I too suffer the same with my 680ZX, can you tell me which channel it is doing it on (left, right or both)? Don't worry too much, the recordings still sound great on it. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Babin/Greseth [mailto:jvbrhg at seanet.com] Sent: Sunday, 10 August 2003 3:12 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] CR7 Info Nak Friends- Seems I read on the site that the A in CR7A means for export to America. Is that correct? I am considering buying a CR7 from a friend. It has no A on the type. Would this mean that it was purchased in Japan? Any other thoughts on the CR7 model? I wish I had bought one when they came out, but missed the boat. Also, I use isopropyl alcohol to clean capstans and heads. What should I use to clean rubber parts, pinch rollers etc? 3rd question: When I am adjusting the bias on my 680ZX, sometimes the flourscan meter will not stay right on the "zero" mark. It jumps one mark up and back and then one mark back and then to zero. This happens mostly on TDK metal tape. Any thoughts? 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URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Aug 24 13:08:17 2003 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 05:08:17 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] which heads on an RX-303 References: <15298-3F47CD7F-199@storefull-2231.public.lawson.webtv.net> Message-ID: <003101c36a30$0b903340$393442cf@steve> Same Sendust head as the 480/480Z/580M(but not 580, which was crystal permalloy), but it's a better quality Sendust head than that used in the single capstan BX/CR/etc. 2 head decks. The rec/pb EQ is nearly the same as the 3-head Naks, rather than being way off towards IEC2 standard. Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer Talking Dog Transducer Company http://stephensank.com 5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] 505-332-0336 Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer Payments preferred through Paypal.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerald G." To: Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 2:24 PM Subject: [naktalk] which heads on an RX-303 > Question regarding my RX-303 2 head deck : does it have the "Crappy" > sendust alloy heads or the good crystal-permallaoy heads?the owners > manual does not state this information.Also,does the Rx-303 have ORANGE > CAPS? > > thank you very much, > gerald > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sun Aug 24 14:32:06 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 14:32:06 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] which heads on an RX-303 References: <15298-3F47CD7F-199@storefull-2231.public.lawson.webtv.net> <003101c36a30$0b903340$393442cf@steve> Message-ID: <3F48B045.97CD9F9D@xs4all.nl> For those in need of technical details regarding heads i've compiled a technical overview: http://www.naks.com/cgi-bin/compare.pl?action=det This list contains the technical details as far as i know them right now, if it is incorrect or incomplete please inform me in a private mail and i'll correct it. Wouter Stephen Sank wrote: > Same Sendust head as the 480/480Z/580M(but not 580, which was crystal > permalloy), but it's a better quality Sendust head than that used in the > single capstan BX/CR/etc. 2 head decks. The rec/pb EQ is nearly the same as > the 3-head Naks, rather than being way off towards IEC2 standard. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer > Talking Dog Transducer Company > http://stephensank.com > 5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] > 505-332-0336 > Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer > Payments preferred through Paypal.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gerald G." > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 2:24 PM > Subject: [naktalk] which heads on an RX-303 > > > Question regarding my RX-303 2 head deck : does it have the "Crappy" > > sendust alloy heads or the good crystal-permallaoy heads?the owners > > manual does not state this information.Also,does the Rx-303 have ORANGE > > CAPS? > > > > thank you very much, > > gerald > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Aug 24 16:12:12 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 21:12:12 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 Info References: <000d01c369ce$bb05ba00$4564893e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <003e01c36a49$d02d6a60$86299bca@smarzuki> Hi Gra', I never had any problem playing C120 tapes on Naks, even on the 'hungry' dragon on reverse. That ZX9 could be sample deviation / problem which could caused by anything from slightly tilted head to bent mechanism chassis. On the other hand my 'swiss' deck is very sensitive to head tilt, one quarter misturn and it would even eat C60 tapes. What about your CR7, is it more friendly to long tapes ? Despite the robustness of old Nak mechanism I believe newer Sankyos have more fixed 'parameter' (for example stroke height) therefore would be less prone to misalignment and making it easier to drive any tape type. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Nelson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 6:31 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR7 Info If I might butt in? I have long been advised that there is a risk of the tape stretching when the recorder is in Play or Recording if the tape has become slightly slack, which is why the early Memorex Chrome tapes had little white caps to fit in the cassette's cogs to stop the tape slackening. This being the case, it is probably good practice to wind a tape through to end and then rewind. However, I have never been happy about doing this with fast forward, although I've never seem to have spoiled atape by doing this. Nevertheless, I cannot help but feel that, if a tape is loose, the speed of the fast forward might tug too hard on a piece of slack tape and stretch it anyway! Call me paranoid but these days, I tend to tighten the tape using a hand spooler before submitting it for a fast forward and rewind. I believe Nakamichi never recommended using anything longer than C90s on their decks. Personally, I have had disastrous results with metal C110's on my ZX9. It'll record onto them okay but eats the tapes when I try to replay them! So, I stick with C90s on it and everything is fine. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Babin/Greseth Sent: 23 August 2003 22:18 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 Info Tom- Thanks for the advice. I did as you said, and it did help a lot. Its about 98 percent ok. When you open a new tape, do you usually fast forward and rewind the tape once or twice before you start to record? Do you think there is a problem with using a tape longer than a C-90? Sometimes I think the 110s are too hard to pull. Cheers, Randall in Seattle ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 7:11 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR7 Info Randall try doing the following, clean the pinch roller, heads and capstains plus give it a good demag. Secondly have a look at the pinch roller arms (especially the left one), take the tape out close the door and press play, does the arm lift up to position correctly? When I received my 680ZX the pivot arm was not moving due to hardened grease and the levels were going up and down like a yo-yo. If it does go up then remove the front cover and while in the play mode press lightly on the pinch roller arm to see if there is sufficient "spring back". Let me know how you go. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Babin/Greseth [mailto:jvbrhg at seanet.com] Sent: Monday, 11 August 2003 1:22 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 Info It happens on both, and more so on metal tape. The usual Maxell XS90s that I use don't seem to do it much. Recently though I have switched to TDK metal. I think I like it better. Randall -- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 3:05 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR7 Info Hi Randall. I too suffer the same with my 680ZX, can you tell me which channel it is doing it on (left, right or both)? Don't worry too much, the recordings still sound great on it. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Babin/Greseth [mailto:jvbrhg at seanet.com] Sent: Sunday, 10 August 2003 3:12 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] CR7 Info Nak Friends- Seems I read on the site that the A in CR7A means for export to America. Is that correct? I am considering buying a CR7 from a friend. It has no A on the type. Would this mean that it was purchased in Japan? Any other thoughts on the CR7 model? I wish I had bought one when they came out, but missed the boat. Also, I use isopropyl alcohol to clean capstans and heads. What should I use to clean rubber parts, pinch rollers etc? 3rd question: When I am adjusting the bias on my 680ZX, sometimes the flourscan meter will not stay right on the "zero" mark. It jumps one mark up and back and then one mark back and then to zero. This happens mostly on TDK metal tape. Any thoughts? 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URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Aug 24 18:06:14 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 17:06:14 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 Info In-Reply-To: <003e01c36a49$d02d6a60$86299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <002101c36a59$a4cc6c80$376a893e@oemcomputer> Hi Salim I've not dared to try the C110's on the CR7 yet! I bought a pack of 5 of them and the ZX9 did for every one. Might have been a bad batch, I suppose, but it does say very clearly in my ZX9 handbook not to use the longer tapes. Moreover, I haven't had any problem with the other C110s from the same batch with my Pioneer CTS830S. (Good sounding deck but largely redundant now I have the CR7 ... ) The Pioneer handles C120's very well, too - handy for recording long concerts off the radio. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Salim Marzuki Sent: 24 August 2003 15:12 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 Info Hi Gra', I never had any problem playing C120 tapes on Naks, even on the 'hungry' dragon on reverse. That ZX9 could be sample deviation / problem which could caused by anything from slightly tilted head to bent mechanism chassis. On the other hand my 'swiss' deck is very sensitive to head tilt, one quarter misturn and it would even eat C60 tapes. What about your CR7, is it more friendly to long tapes ? Despite the robustness of old Nak mechanism I believe newer Sankyos have more fixed 'parameter' (for example stroke height) therefore would be less prone to misalignment and making it easier to drive any tape type. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Nelson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 6:31 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR7 Info If I might butt in? I have long been advised that there is a risk of the tape stretching when the recorder is in Play or Recording if the tape has become slightly slack, which is why the early Memorex Chrome tapes had little white caps to fit in the cassette's cogs to stop the tape slackening. This being the case, it is probably good practice to wind a tape through to end and then rewind. However, I have never been happy about doing this with fast forward, although I've never seem to have spoiled atape by doing this. Nevertheless, I cannot help but feel that, if a tape is loose, the speed of the fast forward might tug too hard on a piece of slack tape and stretch it anyway! Call me paranoid but these days, I tend to tighten the tape using a hand spooler before submitting it for a fast forward and rewind. I believe Nakamichi never recommended using anything longer than C90s on their decks. Personally, I have had disastrous results with metal C110's on my ZX9. It'll record onto them okay but eats the tapes when I try to replay them! So, I stick with C90s on it and everything is fine. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Babin/Greseth Sent: 23 August 2003 22:18 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 Info Tom- Thanks for the advice. I did as you said, and it did help a lot. Its about 98 percent ok. When you open a new tape, do you usually fast forward and rewind the tape once or twice before you start to record? Do you think there is a problem with using a tape longer than a C-90? Sometimes I think the 110s are too hard to pull. Cheers, Randall in Seattle ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 7:11 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR7 Info Randall try doing the following, clean the pinch roller, heads and capstains plus give it a good demag. Secondly have a look at the pinch roller arms (especially the left one), take the tape out close the door and press play, does the arm lift up to position correctly? When I received my 680ZX the pivot arm was not moving due to hardened grease and the levels were going up and down like a yo-yo. If it does go up then remove the front cover and while in the play mode press lightly on the pinch roller arm to see if there is sufficient "spring back". Let me know how you go. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Babin/Greseth [mailto:jvbrhg at seanet.com] Sent: Monday, 11 August 2003 1:22 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 Info It happens on both, and more so on metal tape. The usual Maxell XS90s that I use don't seem to do it much. Recently though I have switched to TDK metal. I think I like it better. Randall -- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 3:05 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR7 Info Hi Randall. I too suffer the same with my 680ZX, can you tell me which channel it is doing it on (left, right or both)? Don't worry too much, the recordings still sound great on it. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Babin/Greseth [mailto:jvbrhg at seanet.com] Sent: Sunday, 10 August 2003 3:12 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] CR7 Info Nak Friends- Seems I read on the site that the A in CR7A means for export to America. Is that correct? I am considering buying a CR7 from a friend. It has no A on the type. Would this mean that it was purchased in Japan? Any other thoughts on the CR7 model? I wish I had bought one when they came out, but missed the boat. Also, I use isopropyl alcohol to clean capstans and heads. What should I use to clean rubber parts, pinch rollers etc? 3rd question: When I am adjusting the bias on my 680ZX, sometimes the flourscan meter will not stay right on the "zero" mark. It jumps one mark up and back and then one mark back and then to zero. This happens mostly on TDK metal tape. Any thoughts? 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You might like to insert this into the tech details matrix. ddan Original Message: ----------------- From: Wouter Heijke wheijke at xs4all.nl Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 14:32:06 +0200 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] which heads on an RX-303 For those in need of technical details regarding heads i've compiled a technical overview: http://www.naks.com/cgi-bin/compare.pl?action=det This list contains the technical details as far as i know them right now, if it is incorrect or incomplete please inform me in a private mail and i'll correct it. Wouter Stephen Sank wrote: > Same Sendust head as the 480/480Z/580M(but not 580, which was crystal > permalloy), but it's a better quality Sendust head than that used in the > single capstan BX/CR/etc. 2 head decks. The rec/pb EQ is nearly the same as > the 3-head Naks, rather than being way off towards IEC2 standard. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer > Talking Dog Transducer Company > http://stephensank.com > 5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] > 505-332-0336 > Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer > Payments preferred through Paypal.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gerald G." > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 2:24 PM > Subject: [naktalk] which heads on an RX-303 > > > Question regarding my RX-303 2 head deck : does it have the "Crappy" > > sendust alloy heads or the good crystal-permallaoy heads?the owners > > manual does not state this information.Also,does the Rx-303 have ORANGE > > CAPS? > > > > thank you very much, > > gerald > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From jmtooley at ce.net Sun Aug 24 21:31:39 2003 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 15:31:39 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Quality blank cassettes for sale Message-ID: <000f01c36a76$5772eaa0$54106343@johnnyrotten> Quality blank cassettes for sale on eBay. Thank you for your indulgence. John T. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3043042995 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3043046210 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3043049765 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3043052593 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jerryjg at webtv.net Sun Aug 24 22:09:42 2003 From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 15:09:42 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [naktalk] rx-303 ORANGE CAPS Message-ID: <15297-3F491B86-915@storefull-2231.public.lawson.webtv.net> does the rx-303 have the dreaded ORANGE CAPS inside? thank you very much, gerald From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Aug 25 03:21:05 2003 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 19:21:05 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] rx-303 ORANGE CAPS References: <15297-3F491B86-915@storefull-2231.public.lawson.webtv.net> Message-ID: <001801c36aa7$30af8dc0$983442cf@steve> Yes, it does. But the caps have not yet aged to the point of cascade failure on the RX decks, though, as far as I have yet seen. Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer Talking Dog Transducer Company http://stephensank.com 5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] 505-332-0336 Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer Payments preferred through Paypal.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerald G." To: Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 2:09 PM Subject: [naktalk] rx-303 ORANGE CAPS > does the rx-303 have the dreaded ORANGE CAPS inside? > > thank you very much, > gerald > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Aug 25 07:17:56 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 01:17:56 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 Info In-Reply-To: <002101c36a59$a4cc6c80$376a893e@oemcomputer> References: <002101c36a59$a4cc6c80$376a893e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3F499C04.5090802@rcn.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jerryjg at webtv.net Mon Aug 25 10:28:05 2003 From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 03:28:05 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [naktalk] 700 tri-tracer tape play rewind & FF problem Message-ID: <18793-3F49C895-3194@storefull-2235.public.lawson.webtv.net> Nearly all is well with my 700 tri-tracer-listened to it for the first time on a little powered computer system,and even on That, John Williams classical guitar sounded divine! Now i know what all the nakamichi lovers mean!There is one problem though;when i go to rewind or FF,it sometimes wont co-operate unless i keep my finger on the button and apply pressure(it records with no problems). Could this be the edge board contact springs- loose problem a naktalk member warned me as to being typical with the 700 tri-tracer decks?would it hurt if i just operated it that way,or do i need to get it fixed(i took off the cover but it all looked like brain surgery to me). thank you very much, gerald From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Aug 25 11:59:05 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 10:59:05 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 Info In-Reply-To: <3F499C04.5090802@rcn.com> Message-ID: <001301c36aef$84aa7f00$a3d3883e@oemcomputer> In that case, I'm gonna open one of those metal C110's sooner rather than later! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: 25 August 2003 06:18 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 Info Just FYI, I have been using C-120, C-110 and C-100 cassettes on my CR-7 since day one with not a single problem, ever. Some of my C-120 cassettes are over 20 years old (Scotch chrome). -- Ron Nelson wrote: Hi Salim I've not dared to try the C110's on the CR7 yet! I bought a pack of 5 of them and the ZX9 did for every one. Might have been a bad batch, I suppose, but it does say very clearly in my ZX9 handbook not to use the longer tapes. Moreover, I haven't had any problem with the other C110s from the same batch with my Pioneer CTS830S. (Good sounding deck but largely redundant now I have the CR7 ... ) The Pioneer handles C120's very well, too - handy for recording long concerts off the radio. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Salim Marzuki Sent: 24 August 2003 15:12 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 Info Hi Gra', I never had any problem playing C120 tapes on Naks, even on the 'hungry' dragon on reverse. That ZX9 could be sample deviation / problem which could caused by anything from slightly tilted head to bent mechanism chassis. On the other hand my 'swiss' deck is very sensitive to head tilt, one quarter misturn and it would even eat C60 tapes. What about your CR7, is it more friendly to long tapes ? Despite the robustness of old Nak mechanism I believe newer Sankyos have more fixed 'parameter' (for example stroke height) therefore would be less prone to misalignment and making it easier to drive any tape type. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Nelson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 6:31 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR7 Info If I might butt in? I have long been advised that there is a risk of the tape stretching when the recorder is in Play or Recording if the tape has become slightly slack, which is why the early Memorex Chrome tapes had little white caps to fit in the cassette's cogs to stop the tape slackening. This being the case, it is probably good practice to wind a tape through to end and then rewind. However, I have never been happy about doing this with fast forward, although I've never seem to have spoiled atape by doing this. Nevertheless, I cannot help but feel that, if a tape is loose, the speed of the fast forward might tug too hard on a piece of slack tape and stretch it anyway! Call me paranoid but these days, I tend to tighten the tape using a hand spooler before submitting it for a fast forward and rewind. I believe Nakamichi never recommended using anything longer than C90s on their decks. Personally, I have had disastrous results with metal C110's on my ZX9. It'll record onto them okay but eats the tapes when I try to replay them! So, I stick with C90s on it and everything is fine. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Babin/Greseth Sent: 23 August 2003 22:18 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 Info Tom- Thanks for the advice. I did as you said, and it did help a lot. Its about 98 percent ok. When you open a new tape, do you usually fast forward and rewind the tape once or twice before you start to record? Do you think there is a problem with using a tape longer than a C-90? Sometimes I think the 110s are too hard to pull. Cheers, Randall in Seattle ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 7:11 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR7 Info Randall try doing the following, clean the pinch roller, heads and capstains plus give it a good demag. Secondly have a look at the pinch roller arms (especially the left one), take the tape out close the door and press play, does the arm lift up to position correctly? When I received my 680ZX the pivot arm was not moving due to hardened grease and the levels were going up and down like a yo-yo. If it does go up then remove the front cover and while in the play mode press lightly on the pinch roller arm to see if there is sufficient "spring back". Let me know how you go. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Babin/Greseth [mailto:jvbrhg at seanet.com] Sent: Monday, 11 August 2003 1:22 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 Info It happens on both, and more so on metal tape. The usual Maxell XS90s that I use don't seem to do it much. Recently though I have switched to TDK metal. I think I like it better. Randall -- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 3:05 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR7 Info Hi Randall. I too suffer the same with my 680ZX, can you tell me which channel it is doing it on (left, right or both)? Don't worry too much, the recordings still sound great on it. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Babin/Greseth [mailto:jvbrhg at seanet.com] Sent: Sunday, 10 August 2003 3:12 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] CR7 Info Nak Friends- Seems I read on the site that the A in CR7A means for export to America. Is that correct? I am considering buying a CR7 from a friend. It has no A on the type. Would this mean that it was purchased in Japan? Any other thoughts on the CR7 model? I wish I had bought one when they came out, but missed the boat. Also, I use isopropyl alcohol to clean capstans and heads. What should I use to clean rubber parts, pinch rollers etc? 3rd question: When I am adjusting the bias on my 680ZX, sometimes the flourscan meter will not stay right on the "zero" mark. It jumps one mark up and back and then one mark back and then to zero. This happens mostly on TDK metal tape. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance for you time, Randall in Seattle, USA --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 19/08/03 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjkent at comcast.net Mon Aug 25 14:58:29 2003 From: rjkent at comcast.net (Robert Kent) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 05:58:29 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Technical Data List Message-ID: <002401c36b08$94a927d0$ed06e90c@B8142DE8> Hi Wouter, Your compilation of technical information for Nak Decks is great. One additional column that lists which decks used idler wheels for the tape reel drive might be useful for people trying to make comparisons between various decks. I have tried to compile some information, mostly from NakTalk discussions, but I am not sure it is complete or correct: CR-5, 7; MR-1, 2; BX-1, 2; BX-100, 125, 150, 300; RX-202. I have also seen some discussion about large versus small idler tires, and have no idea of which ones might apply to which decks. Robert Kent -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Aug 25 15:29:27 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 20:29:27 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 Info References: <001301c36aef$84aa7f00$a3d3883e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <004301c36b0e$b37f89a0$b2299bca@smarzuki> Hope you'll be pleasantly surprised ! =) My regular basf C120 was from 85. ----- Original Message ----- From: Nelson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 4:59 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR7 Info In that case, I'm gonna open one of those metal C110's sooner rather than later! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: 25 August 2003 06:18 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 Info Just FYI, I have been using C-120, C-110 and C-100 cassettes on my CR-7 since day one with not a single problem, ever. Some of my C-120 cassettes are over 20 years old (Scotch chrome). -- Ron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kenkirk at gte.net Mon Aug 25 17:13:14 2003 From: kenkirk at gte.net (Ken Kirkpatrick) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 10:13:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Hello : Recomendations for a "new " Nak? In-Reply-To: <200308250656.h7P6u0Uu014161@zebra.naks.com> References: <200308250656.h7P6u0Uu014161@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <3F4A278A.2030509@gte.net> Hello, My name is Ken. I currently own a LX3 I bought new many years ago. It works fine. But last month a friend bought a RX 505. It sounds and records much better than my LX3. I am an analog kind of guy. I usually use my Teac X2000 to record from vinyl. But I do like to make cassettes for the car. Anyway, the cost of open reel tape and storage space is giving me a reason to use cassette to record vinyl. The RX 505 made very nice recordings direct from my Teac reel to reel that were indistinguishable from the master. My LX3 could never do that. So I want to buy a better Nak. I am considering either a RX 505 or a Dragon. I like the idea of auto reverse. What about the CR 7a? Does it auto reverse? Is the Dragon worth the extra bucks compared to the RX505? Any and all suggestions are welcome. My stereo is of the tube, high end variety. I prefer the warm natural sound of Nak's. I do have a Fostex Dat and even a Wadia 860, but 16/44 just does not do it for me. Thanks, Ken From jerryjg at webtv.net Mon Aug 25 23:58:26 2003 From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 16:58:26 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [naktalk] 700 tri-tracer FF and Rewind problem Message-ID: <2552-3F4A8682-5981@storefull-2237.public.lawson.webtv.net> Whats wrong with my 700?it plays fine and records fine,but it has the intermittant minor prblem that it wont rewind or FF unless i keep my finger pressed down on the button.is it he edge board spring connections one member warned me about being a problem with the 700? thank you very much, gerald From ti at amb.org Mon Aug 25 21:55:52 2003 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 12:55:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Hello : Recomendations for a "new " Nak? In-Reply-To: <3F4A278A.2030509@gte.net> from "Ken Kirkpatrick" at Aug 25, 2003 10:13:14 AM Message-ID: <200308251955.TAA27771@amb.org> Ken Kirkpatrick writes: > I am an analog kind of guy. I usually use my Teac X2000 to record from > vinyl. But I do like to make cassettes for the car. Anyway, the cost of > open reel tape and storage space is giving me a reason to use cassette > to record vinyl. The RX 505 made very nice recordings direct from my > Teac reel to reel that were indistinguishable from the master. My LX3 > could never do that. So I want to buy a better Nak. I am considering > either a RX 505 or a Dragon. I like the idea of auto reverse. What about > the CR 7a? Does it auto reverse? Is the Dragon worth the extra bucks > compared to the RX505? Any and all suggestions are welcome. My stereo is > of the tube, high end variety. I prefer the warm natural sound of Nak's. > I do have a Fostex Dat and even a Wadia 860, but 16/44 just does not do > it for me. The CR-7a is not auto reverse, but it's a spendid machine for making recordings. The Dragon also makes great recordings, but is worth its extra money if you plan to play tapes on there, made by Naks as well as other decks. The playback auto-azimuth feature is great for that. -Ti Nakamichi Dragon -- /// Ti Kan Vorsprung durch Technik /// AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA /// ti at amb.org ////// http://www.amb.org/ti/ /// From kannan_s at vsnl.com Mon Aug 25 19:39:29 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 23:09:29 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Hello : Recomendations for a "new " Nak? Message-ID: <20030825173929.1D6B315E70@vsnlbill.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Aug 25 19:19:57 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 00:19:57 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Hello : Recomendations for a "new " Nak? References: <200308250656.h7P6u0Uu014161@zebra.naks.com> <3F4A278A.2030509@gte.net> Message-ID: <000601c36b2d$1c1bf340$50299bca@smarzuki> Hello Ken, This is my personal opinion - if you want the convenience of auto reverse with killer auto alignment playback, then Dragon is the logical choice. Unlike 505, it only records in one forward direction, however its recording adjustment facility is better than 505. The complication arises when you ask which Nak is best for recording purposes ... most will vote for CR7 (no auto reverse, but zippy auto record alignment *plus* manual playback alignment) although I will go for ZX9. The ultimate Nak for both record and regular (no alignment) playback will be the special sounding brothers 1000ZXL or 700ZXL - which at this time most likely will need major overhaul before they can perform their best (and almost certain will need some attention in the following year or two). Overall imho Dragon gives the better balance between playback and record as it does have complete manual adjustment. In general older Naks (6x, ZX etc - usually > 45cm width) are more robust and have 'warmer' sound than newer (CR, DR - usually 43cm / 17inch) series but will require initial reconditioning job. Best regards, Salim SM PS: How's r.a.o. world thesedays ? ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Kirkpatrick To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 10:13 PM Subject: [naktalk] Hello : Recomendations for a "new " Nak? Hello, My name is Ken. I currently own a LX3 I bought new many years ago. It works fine. But last month a friend bought a RX 505. It sounds and records much better than my LX3. I am an analog kind of guy. I usually use my Teac X2000 to record from vinyl. But I do like to make cassettes for the car. Anyway, the cost of open reel tape and storage space is giving me a reason to use cassette to record vinyl. The RX 505 made very nice recordings direct from my Teac reel to reel that were indistinguishable from the master. My LX3 could never do that. So I want to buy a better Nak. I am considering either a RX 505 or a Dragon. I like the idea of auto reverse. What about the CR 7a? Does it auto reverse? Is the Dragon worth the extra bucks compared to the RX505? Any and all suggestions are welcome. My stereo is of the tube, high end variety. I prefer the warm natural sound of Nak's. I do have a Fostex Dat and even a Wadia 860, but 16/44 just does not do it for me. Thanks, Ken From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Tue Aug 26 07:29:04 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 15:29:04 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Hello : Recomendations for a "new " Nak? Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D022021BB@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Ken. The CR7a does not support auto-reverse, but does support auto-azimuth for perfect playback reproduction due to the playback head aligning the linear tracks with every tape. If you want the best of both worlds buy the Dragon, it has auto-reverse and auto-azimuth. The RX505 has the auto-reverse feature but not the auto-azimuth. If you want the deck to record both sides of the tape without user intervention, get the RX 505 because it will flip the tape over without your assistance - great to watch too! I own the RX505, and BTW an x-1000R Teac (wish I had the 2000), it makes great recordings (thanks to Mr Stephen Sank) and I simply will not part with it. Hope this helps. Regards, Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Ken Kirkpatrick [mailto:kenkirk at gte.net] Sent: Tuesday, 26 August 2003 1:13 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Hello : Recomendations for a "new " Nak? Hello, My name is Ken. I currently own a LX3 I bought new many years ago. It works fine. But last month a friend bought a RX 505. It sounds and records much better than my LX3. I am an analog kind of guy. I usually use my Teac X2000 to record from vinyl. But I do like to make cassettes for the car. Anyway, the cost of open reel tape and storage space is giving me a reason to use cassette to record vinyl. The RX 505 made very nice recordings direct from my Teac reel to reel that were indistinguishable from the master. My LX3 could never do that. So I want to buy a better Nak. I am considering either a RX 505 or a Dragon. I like the idea of auto reverse. What about the CR 7a? Does it auto reverse? Is the Dragon worth the extra bucks compared to the RX505? Any and all suggestions are welcome. My stereo is of the tube, high end variety. I prefer the warm natural sound of Nak's. I do have a Fostex Dat and even a Wadia 860, but 16/44 just does not do it for me. Thanks, Ken ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 26 15:58:13 2003 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 06:58:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Hello : Recomendations for a "new " Nak? In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D022021BB@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <20030826135813.9469.qmail@web40406.mail.yahoo.com> Tom, I believe the CR7A only does auto-azimuth during recording to align the playback head to the record head so that it can do the best job possible on the rec level and bias calibration. I don't believe the CR7A can do auto azimuth during playback. Playback azimuth is manually adjusted via front panel knob or via the remote. Only the Dragon (and the TD-1200) have the special dual gap right channel for doing (NAAC) auto azimuth during Playback. They are also the only Nak decks to have a second set of gaps to play the reverse side without flipping the tape. Manual playback azimuth is better then no azimuth if you are playing tapes from questionable sources. If most of the tape you play were recorded by you then azimuth control isn't really required. My dream deck is the ZX-9. Scott J. --- Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > Hi Ken. The CR7a does not support auto-reverse, but > does support > auto-azimuth for perfect playback reproduction due > to the playback head > aligning the linear tracks with every tape. If you > want the best of both > worlds buy the Dragon, it has auto-reverse and > auto-azimuth. The RX505 has > the auto-reverse feature but not the auto-azimuth. > If you want the deck to > record both sides of the tape without user > intervention, get the RX 505 > because it will flip the tape over without your > assistance - great to watch > too! > > I own the RX505, and BTW an x-1000R Teac (wish I > had the 2000), it > makes great recordings (thanks to Mr Stephen Sank) > and I simply will not > part with it. > > Hope this helps. > > Regards, > > Tom Siomopoulos. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ken Kirkpatrick [mailto:kenkirk at gte.net] > Sent: Tuesday, 26 August 2003 1:13 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Hello : Recomendations for a "new > " Nak? > > > Hello, > > My name is Ken. I currently own a LX3 I bought new > many years ago. It > works fine. But last month a friend bought a RX 505. > It sounds and > records much better than my LX3. > > I am an analog kind of guy. I usually use my Teac > X2000 to record from > vinyl. But I do like to make cassettes for the car. > Anyway, the cost of > open reel tape and storage space is giving me a > reason to use cassette > to record vinyl. The RX 505 made very nice > recordings direct from my > Teac reel to reel that were indistinguishable from > the master. My LX3 > could never do that. So I want to buy a better Nak. > I am considering > either a RX 505 or a Dragon. I like the idea of auto > reverse. What about > the CR 7a? Does it auto reverse? Is the Dragon worth > the extra bucks > compared to the RX505? Any and all suggestions are > welcome. My stereo is > of the tube, high end variety. I prefer the warm > natural sound of Nak's. > I do have a Fostex Dat and even a Wadia 860, but > 16/44 just does not do > it for me. > > Thanks, Ken > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From RTLehe at aol.com Tue Aug 26 23:24:28 2003 From: RTLehe at aol.com (RTLehe at aol.com) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 17:24:28 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Where are the DRs in the hiernaky? Message-ID: <377EDFFC.10593036.0004E774@aol.com> Why are the DR series not so highly regarded? Are they really worse than comparably equipped CRs or BXs? It seems like being newer would count for something. Tad From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Wed Aug 27 02:17:18 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 10:17:18 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Hello : Recomendations for a "new " Nak? Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D022021C2@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Ahh yes you are absolutely right. Thanks Scott. -----Original Message----- From: Scott Johnson [mailto:p9019 at yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, 26 August 2003 11:58 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Hello : Recomendations for a "new " Nak? Tom, I believe the CR7A only does auto-azimuth during recording to align the playback head to the record head so that it can do the best job possible on the rec level and bias calibration. I don't believe the CR7A can do auto azimuth during playback. Playback azimuth is manually adjusted via front panel knob or via the remote. Only the Dragon (and the TD-1200) have the special dual gap right channel for doing (NAAC) auto azimuth during Playback. They are also the only Nak decks to have a second set of gaps to play the reverse side without flipping the tape. Manual playback azimuth is better then no azimuth if you are playing tapes from questionable sources. If most of the tape you play were recorded by you then azimuth control isn't really required. My dream deck is the ZX-9. Scott J. --- Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > Hi Ken. The CR7a does not support auto-reverse, but > does support > auto-azimuth for perfect playback reproduction due > to the playback head > aligning the linear tracks with every tape. If you > want the best of both > worlds buy the Dragon, it has auto-reverse and > auto-azimuth. The RX505 has > the auto-reverse feature but not the auto-azimuth. > If you want the deck to > record both sides of the tape without user > intervention, get the RX 505 > because it will flip the tape over without your > assistance - great to watch > too! > > I own the RX505, and BTW an x-1000R Teac (wish I > had the 2000), it > makes great recordings (thanks to Mr Stephen Sank) > and I simply will not > part with it. > > Hope this helps. > > Regards, > > Tom Siomopoulos. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ken Kirkpatrick [mailto:kenkirk at gte.net] > Sent: Tuesday, 26 August 2003 1:13 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Hello : Recomendations for a "new > " Nak? > > > Hello, > > My name is Ken. I currently own a LX3 I bought new > many years ago. It > works fine. But last month a friend bought a RX 505. > It sounds and > records much better than my LX3. > > I am an analog kind of guy. I usually use my Teac > X2000 to record from > vinyl. But I do like to make cassettes for the car. > Anyway, the cost of > open reel tape and storage space is giving me a > reason to use cassette > to record vinyl. The RX 505 made very nice > recordings direct from my > Teac reel to reel that were indistinguishable from > the master. My LX3 > could never do that. So I want to buy a better Nak. > I am considering > either a RX 505 or a Dragon. I like the idea of auto > reverse. What about > the CR 7a? Does it auto reverse? Is the Dragon worth > the extra bucks > compared to the RX505? Any and all suggestions are > welcome. My stereo is > of the tube, high end variety. I prefer the warm > natural sound of Nak's. > I do have a Fostex Dat and even a Wadia 860, but > 16/44 just does not do > it for me. > > Thanks, Ken > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From christopher.winter at siemens.com Wed Aug 27 12:50:39 2003 From: christopher.winter at siemens.com (Winter Christopher) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 12:50:39 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Head Alignement Issues Message-ID: <01D01E6BE11A9446860268017C32F1F48B4909@BBUV0EXA.bbuv.ww011.siemens.net> Hi all, I recently tried to align the record and playback heads of my BX 300's because of poor frequency response, when I found something that seems strange to me: I recorded a 15 kHz sinus signal at 0 dB with Dolby C and monitored the pb-head. I then adjusted rh-azimuth and ph-azimuth to obtain maximum and symmetrical reading on both channels. This was repeated/verified with a 20 kHz signal (0 dB). I also adjusted rh-height and ph-height but only to find that there was nothing to optimize. I did this on both BX 300's with different cassettes (TDK MA-X, Maxell XL-IIS, BASF TPII Reference Maxima) for each deck. When I played back the recorded signals on the other deck, both, frequency response and symmetry varied significantly, whereas playback in the deck, which did record the tape, was perfect. So here are the questions: - Why does getting the optimal frequency response only through optimizing rh/ph-azimuth doesn't lead to an interchangeable tape? - Are there several optimum azimuth positions (which in theory I didn't expect)? - Does (from experience) removing and replacing the pressure pad lifter affect ph-azimuth? I should add that I didn't use any calibration tape before the above procedure. Is it possible (via continued cross checking) to achive optimum results without such a tape? Maybe some professionals can help me with that. Best regards, Christopher From ti at amb.org Wed Aug 27 13:04:38 2003 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 04:04:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Head Alignement Issues In-Reply-To: <01D01E6BE11A9446860268017C32F1F48B4909@BBUV0EXA.bbuv.ww011.siemens.net> from "Winter Christopher" at Aug 27, 2003 12:50:39 PM Message-ID: <200308271104.LAA18915@amb.org> You can have the record head and playback head adjusted so that they are aligned to each other in the same deck, therefore providing perfect frequency response for tapes recorded and played on that deck, but the alignment is not correct with respect to the other deck. It is very difficult to align the azimuth of a discrete 3 head deck like a Nak without the use of a reference calibration tape, if you want to make the deck record and play tapes interchangeably on other decks with correct alignment as well. This is even more so with Nak decks that have any form of auto azimuth control, like the Dragon. Continued cross-checking is a way to reduce such errors, but I don't think it's a substitute for a reference calibration tape. -Ti -- /// Ti Kan Vorsprung durch Technik /// AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA /// ti at amb.org ////// http://www.amb.org/ti/ /// Winter Christopher writes: > I recently tried to align the record and playback heads of my BX 300's > because of poor frequency response, when I found something > that seems strange to me: > > I recorded a 15 kHz sinus signal at 0 dB with Dolby C and monitored the > pb-head. I then adjusted rh-azimuth and ph-azimuth to obtain maximum > and symmetrical reading on both channels. This was repeated/verified > with a 20 kHz signal (0 dB). I also adjusted rh-height and ph-height > but only to find that there was nothing to optimize. > I did this on both BX 300's with different cassettes (TDK MA-X, > Maxell XL-IIS, BASF TPII Reference Maxima) for each deck. > > When I played back the recorded signals on the other deck, both, frequency > response and symmetry varied significantly, whereas playback in the > deck, which did record the tape, was perfect. > > So here are the questions: > - Why does getting the optimal frequency response only through optimizing > rh/ph-azimuth doesn't lead to an interchangeable tape? > - Are there several optimum azimuth positions (which in theory I didn't expect)? > - Does (from experience) removing and replacing the pressure pad lifter affect ph-azimuth? > > I should add that I didn't use any calibration tape before the above procedure. > Is it possible (via continued cross checking) to achive optimum results without > such a tape? From kannan_s at vsnl.com Wed Aug 27 19:50:10 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 23:20:10 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Head Alignement Issues Message-ID: <20030827175010.7C66B15E30@vsnlbill.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From marcdenis at iquebec.com Wed Aug 27 13:58:00 2003 From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 07:58:00 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Where are the DRs in the hiernaky? In-Reply-To: <377EDFFC.10593036.0004E774@aol.com> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20030827075650.0280ef00@pop.iquebec.com> DRs are fine. At 17:24 2003/08/26 -0400, you wrote: >Why are the DR series not so highly regarded? Are they really worse than >comparably equipped CRs or BXs? It seems like being newer would count for >something. > >Tad From kenkirk at gte.net Wed Aug 27 19:28:22 2003 From: kenkirk at gte.net (Ken Kirkpatrick) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 12:28:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Hello : Recomendations for a "new " Nak? Message-ID: <3F4CEA36.9040502@gte.net> Hello Ken, This is my personal opinion - if you want the convenience of auto reverse with killer auto alignment playback, then Dragon is the logical choice. Unlike 505, it only records in one forward direction, however its recording adjustment facility is better than 505. The complication arises when you ask which Nak is best for recording purposes ... most will vote for CR7 (no auto reverse, but zippy auto record alignment *plus* manual playback alignment) although I will go for ZX9. The ultimate Nak for both record and regular (no alignment) playback will be the special sounding brothers 1000ZXL or 700ZXL - which at this time most likely will need major overhaul before they can perform their best (and almost certain will need some attention in the following year or two). Overall imho Dragon gives the better balance between playback and record as it does have complete manual adjustment. In general older Naks (6x, ZX etc - usually > 45cm width) are more robust and have 'warmer' sound than newer (CR, DR - usually 43cm / 17inch) series but will require initial reconditioning job. Best regards, Salim SM PS: How's r.a.o. world thesedays ? Ken says: Thanks for the feedback. About RAO.... I gave up on that mess. I do plan to play prerecorded tapes, so a Dragon might make more sence for me. I am on the hunt for a killer clean deck to add to my stash of toys! Cheers, Ken PS, I don't know if this will show up in the proper thread. Hope so.. From kenkirk at gte.net Wed Aug 27 19:34:42 2003 From: kenkirk at gte.net (Ken Kirkpatrick) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 12:34:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Hello : Recomendations for a "new " Nak? Message-ID: <3F4CEBB2.7030403@gte.net> The CR-7a is not auto reverse, but it's a spendid machine for making recordings. The Dragon also makes great recordings, but is worth its extra money if you plan to play tapes on there, made by Naks as well as other decks. The playback auto-azimuth feature is great for that. -Ti Nakamichi Dragon Ken replies: Thanks Ti. I do plan to play a lot of prerecorded tapes made on other decks. I am looking for a Dragon. Cheers, Ken From kenkirk at gte.net Wed Aug 27 19:30:52 2003 From: kenkirk at gte.net (Ken Kirkpatrick) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 12:30:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Hello : Recomendations for a "new " Nak? Message-ID: <3F4CEACC.5090303@gte.net> kannan said: "If you like warm sound options are Dragon/ZX9 /ZX7 /680 series and ofcourse 700ZXL/ZXE and 100ZXL all three head dual capstan and original Nak mechanics. All these decks are using older sturdy ( work horse ) Nak mechanism. And Dragon/ZX9/7 and 680 series have manual level and bias calibration and Dragon has auto reverse and auto azimuth adjustment for playback - This feature, availablity and popularity puts Dragon first choice as you can listen to any tape recorded on any other deck without loss of HF. Dragon as well Zx9 has Direct Drive Capstan drive( with very very low wow and flutter which no other cassette deck has achieved. while 700ZXl/ZXE and 1000ZXl decks are having auto calibrating bias and level calibration systems, they are older bunch and has serious service issues like parts not available etc. Coming to newer Generation - top of the line CR7 - auto calibrating manual azimuth adjust is unbeatable in its crisp clean sound - but somehow Anlogue lovers seem to favour older not so crisp ( very very small difference to my ears anyway!) - But has few minor problems like idler drive needs tire change or expensive gear mod change for trouble free long time use and record calibration if these decks belong to earlier batch as Nak had corrected these things after serial numbers crossing about 10000. RX505 belongs to older nak mechanism with tape rotating auto reverse - but does not have extensive calibrating features of all the above machines. I should also mention 582 which is way older but to my knowledge very reliable manual calibrating deck. I put calibrating feature as a very important issue for recording enthusiasts as you can make best recording out of any brand/type of tapes which may be of great value to you since you plan to record a lot. I have not mentioned other naks here as they have simple bias fine tune which is not definitely equal to bias / level calibration feature of naks. My sincere advice is to avoid 700ZXL /ZXE and 1000ZXL /700and original 1000 due to lack of spares and reliability issues whle you get plenty of Cr7/ Dragon/ ZX9 and RX505 in pretty good shape and has lot of life left in them Once you decide which way to go or which machine and budget, I think plenty of our guys would tell what are the things to look out for in that machine. If you do not want trouble and would not mind the money; look for mintier machines. Also buy up enough tapes for next 5 years as good cassette tapes are actually vanishing from the markets! good luck " kannan Ken says: Thanks for this information. It all makes sence. So many choices!! I do love them all. Maybe I need a stable of Naks! Cheers, Ken -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smile_n.gif Type: image/gif Size: 144 bytes Desc: not available URL: From kenkirk at gte.net Wed Aug 27 19:32:23 2003 From: kenkirk at gte.net (Ken Kirkpatrick) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 12:32:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Hello : Recomendations for a "new " Nak? Message-ID: <3F4CEB27.1060305@gte.net> Tom said: "Hi Ken. The CR7a does not support auto-reverse, but does support auto-azimuth for perfect playback reproduction due to the playback head aligning the linear tracks with every tape. If you want the best of both worlds buy the Dragon, it has auto-reverse and auto-azimuth. The RX505 has the auto-reverse feature but not the auto-azimuth. If you want the deck to record both sides of the tape without user intervention, get the RX 505 because it will flip the tape over without your assistance - great to watch too! I own the RX505, and BTW an x-1000R Teac (wish I had the 2000), it makes great recordings (thanks to Mr Stephen Sank) and I simply will not part with it. Hope this helps. Regards, Tom Siomopoulos." Ken says: Thanks for the information. Does the Dragon switch sides during recording automatically, or does the operator have to push a button? About the Teac, many prefer the 1000 to the 2000. I prefer the 2000 for the manual bias adjustment. They are very similar beasts. I love my Teac and I also have a Tascam TSR 8 1/2" multitrack. But the cost of the open reel tapes for just recording lp's is getting out of hand. Also a buddy of mine just came into a nice collection of prerecorded cassettes. So I just have to have a better Nak! Cheers, Ken -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smile_n.gif Type: image/gif Size: 144 bytes Desc: not available URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Aug 27 20:32:13 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 01:32:13 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Head Alignement Issues References: <01D01E6BE11A9446860268017C32F1F48B4909@BBUV0EXA.bbuv.ww011.siemens.net> Message-ID: <003801c36cc9$891e5a80$4f299bca@smarzuki> Hi Christopher, Please download the BX300 service manual which contained all necessary adjustment steps, or - in emergency - any Nak 3 head deck service manual. I'm no professional but basically the procedures to align the heads are: 1. align the pb head height using 1k track tape (find minimum output) - can be somewhat substituted by finding maximum output of 400 hz tone test tape. 2. align pb head azimuth using 15k test tape. 3. repeat 1-2 until there's no more adjustment needed. 4. align rec head head height while recording 400 hz test tone (find maximum output) 5. align rec head azimuth by finding maximum output while recording 15k test tone. 6. repeat 5-6 until satisfactory. The 400hz and 15k test tones on steps 4-6 can be had from your sound card output through tone generator software. If you don't have any access to off the shelves test tapes, try to record homemade 400hz and 15k tones / tapes on your (or your friends) deck that has good alignment and still untouched. Compared to other deck's 1 or 2 small screws ... those giant 6 Nak set screws are wonderfully tempting to be tweaked / turned and terribly difficult to align them back without proper Nak test tapes !! Just imagine 6 degrees of freedom with only one correct position. BTW removing padlifter has tricky effect on azimuth adjustment where tape is pressed on to pb head and we'll likely see wider spot / range of acceptance. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Winter Christopher To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 5:50 PM Subject: [naktalk] Head Alignement Issues Hi all, I recently tried to align the record and playback heads of my BX 300's because of poor frequency response, when I found something that seems strange to me: I recorded a 15 kHz sinus signal at 0 dB with Dolby C and monitored the pb-head. I then adjusted rh-azimuth and ph-azimuth to obtain maximum and symmetrical reading on both channels. This was repeated/verified with a 20 kHz signal (0 dB). I also adjusted rh-height and ph-height but only to find that there was nothing to optimize. I did this on both BX 300's with different cassettes (TDK MA-X, Maxell XL-IIS, BASF TPII Reference Maxima) for each deck. When I played back the recorded signals on the other deck, both, frequency response and symmetry varied significantly, whereas playback in the deck, which did record the tape, was perfect. So here are the questions: - Why does getting the optimal frequency response only through optimizing rh/ph-azimuth doesn't lead to an interchangeable tape? - Are there several optimum azimuth positions (which in theory I didn't expect)? - Does (from experience) removing and replacing the pressure pad lifter affect ph-azimuth? I should add that I didn't use any calibration tape before the above procedure. Is it possible (via continued cross checking) to achive optimum results without such a tape? Maybe some professionals can help me with that. Best regards, Christopher ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Wed Aug 27 22:21:42 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 22:21:42 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Email problems Message-ID: <3F4D12D6.68CE9EA5@xs4all.nl> Hi All, Thanks to Ti for bringing a problem with the naks.com sendmail server to my attention. Apparently an anti-spam organization which naks.com uses ended it's buisiness in a remarkable way: http://slashdot.org/articles/03/08/27/0214238.shtml?tid=111&tid=126 After Ti's email i removed this server from the spam check list so i hope nobody has problems anymore with sending mail to any of the naks.com mailinglists. If your email bounced dus to this problem please send it again. Sorry for the inconvenience, Wouter From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Aug 28 00:30:11 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 08:30:11 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Hello : Recomendations for a "new " Nak? Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D022021C8@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Ken do you want some 1/2 " tape, I have 3 tapes - 2 in metal reels and one pancake. Free to good home. If you like I have some photos of them so you can take a look at them. They are the Scotch brand. Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Ken Kirkpatrick [mailto:kenkirk at gte.net] Sent: Thursday, 28 August 2003 3:32 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Hello : Recomendations for a "new " Nak? Tom said: "Hi Ken. The CR7a does not support auto-reverse, but does support auto-azimuth for perfect playback reproduction due to the playback head aligning the linear tracks with every tape. If you want the best of both worlds buy the Dragon, it has auto-reverse and auto-azimuth. The RX505 has the auto-reverse feature but not the auto-azimuth. If you want the deck to record both sides of the tape without user intervention, get the RX 505 because it will flip the tape over without your assistance - great to watch too! I own the RX505, and BTW an x-1000R Teac (wish I had the 2000), it makes great recordings (thanks to Mr Stephen Sank) and I simply will not part with it. Hope this helps. Regards, Tom Siomopoulos." Ken says: Thanks for the information. Does the Dragon switch sides during recording automatically, or does the operator have to push a button? About the Teac, many prefer the 1000 to the 2000. I prefer the 2000 for the manual bias adjustment. They are very similar beasts. I love my Teac and I also have a Tascam TSR 8 1/2" multitrack. But the cost of the open reel tapes for just recording lp's is getting out of hand. Also a buddy of mine just came into a nice collection of prerecorded cassettes. So I just have to have a better Nak! Cheers, Ken From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Aug 28 00:32:29 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 08:32:29 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Hello : Recomendations for a "new " Nak? Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D022021C9@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> The Dragon only record in one direction, auto-reverse is only achieved in playback. As you might have heard the CR7 will do auto-azimuth for recording but has a manual azimuth adjustment knob at the front. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Ken Kirkpatrick [mailto:kenkirk at gte.net] Sent: Thursday, 28 August 2003 3:32 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Hello : Recomendations for a "new " Nak? Tom said: "Hi Ken. The CR7a does not support auto-reverse, but does support auto-azimuth for perfect playback reproduction due to the playback head aligning the linear tracks with every tape. If you want the best of both worlds buy the Dragon, it has auto-reverse and auto-azimuth. The RX505 has the auto-reverse feature but not the auto-azimuth. If you want the deck to record both sides of the tape without user intervention, get the RX 505 because it will flip the tape over without your assistance - great to watch too! I own the RX505, and BTW an x-1000R Teac (wish I had the 2000), it makes great recordings (thanks to Mr Stephen Sank) and I simply will not part with it. Hope this helps. Regards, Tom Siomopoulos." Ken says: Thanks for the information. Does the Dragon switch sides during recording automatically, or does the operator have to push a button? About the Teac, many prefer the 1000 to the 2000. I prefer the 2000 for the manual bias adjustment. They are very similar beasts. I love my Teac and I also have a Tascam TSR 8 1/2" multitrack. But the cost of the open reel tapes for just recording lp's is getting out of hand. Also a buddy of mine just came into a nice collection of prerecorded cassettes. So I just have to have a better Nak! Cheers, Ken From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Aug 28 03:51:10 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 08:51:10 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Hello : Recomendations for a "new " Nak? References: <3F4CEB27.1060305@gte.net> Message-ID: <001e01c36d06$db9df760$97299bca@smarzuki> Unfortunately Dragon only records on one side (forward) ... no reverse recording. RX505 records both sides automatically - but does not have any extensive recording (test tones, level, bias) calibration facility. Cheers, Salim SM Ken says: Thanks for the information. Does the Dragon switch sides during recording automatically, or does the operator have to push a button? About the Teac, many prefer the 1000 to the 2000. I prefer the 2000 for the manual bias adjustment. They are very similar beasts. I love my Teac and I also have a Tascam TSR 8 1/2" multitrack. But the cost of the open reel tapes for just recording lp's is getting out of hand. Also a buddy of mine just came into a nice collection of prerecorded cassettes. So I just have to have a better Nak! Cheers, Ken ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Kirkpatrick To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 12:32 AM Subject: [naktalk] Hello : Recomendations for a "new " Nak? Tom said: "Hi Ken. The CR7a does not support auto-reverse, but does support auto-azimuth for perfect playback reproduction due to the playback head aligning the linear tracks with every tape. If you want the best of both worlds buy the Dragon, it has auto-reverse and auto-azimuth. The RX505 has the auto-reverse feature but not the auto-azimuth. If you want the deck to record both sides of the tape without user intervention, get the RX 505 because it will flip the tape over without your assistance - great to watch too! I own the RX505, and BTW an x-1000R Teac (wish I had the 2000), it makes great recordings (thanks to Mr Stephen Sank) and I simply will not part with it. Hope this helps. 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Message-ID: <000601c36dc4$f4992280$6501a8c0@sdf.bellsouth.net> Hello Sven, have you found anything yet to create tape case inserts with? I am interested in this also. I will look around and post any success. Mike :-} -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From RTLehe at aol.com Fri Aug 29 03:28:24 2003 From: RTLehe at aol.com (RTLehe at aol.com) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 21:28:24 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Head Alignement Issues Message-ID: <157.23bc549a.2c800638@aol.com> Thank you, that was very informative. I wish I could get the tools you use. I bought a BX 125 on ebay for $10. I replaced the idler tire, but it still sounded bad and the output way way low. I tinkered with the azimuth until I got it to match my BX300 and CR1A. I did it entirely by ear, recording music with a lot of high treble on the 300 and adjusting the azimuth on the 125 until it matchted. I dont know how closs I got it, but it sounds vastly better now than it did when I first got it. Now, where can I get the test tapes? Tad -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Aug 29 13:34:02 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 13:34:02 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: Re: [audiotalk] More audio philosophy Message-ID: >>> Mark Hugo 08/27/03 08:19AM >>> Hi Gerald, Insightful and erudite post. The analogies were were apt. The achievements of a bygone era are never lesser achievements simply because man has moved on. We move on for many different reasons. Sometimes, when we move on, we do not infact, move ahead. Perhaps downwards or sideways. Economics may sometimes be the cause. The achievements of the current time would not have occured had we not travelled the journey first. Anyway, now you're going to get Stan started - he collects fine wristwatches!! 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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Aug 29 13:34:30 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 13:34:30 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: EMTEC Audio/Video Recording Media Division: Jay Message-ID: >>> Mark Hugo 08/27/03 10:00AM >>> Hi Jay, Your information is up to date and is indeed bad news. I have just contacted Tony Scott here and he confirms that for the past six months EMTEC is in financial trouble and may be under interim curatorship. They are battling solvency issues. Presently, they are still selling products to distributors but on a strict "cash in advance" basis. Their sister company, Deutsche Magnetics (Recordable Data division) is in the same position (under judicial managment, or equivalent). Buy what you can, (an approach I have taken for some time). Cheers, Marc The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. 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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Aug 29 14:48:18 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 14:48:18 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] DR Series in the Hierarchy: Tad Message-ID: Hi Tad, Regarding your quesiton, how these five units fare in the Nak hierarchy, they are good units without a doubt. Styling - wise, they marked a return in 1992 to traditional Nak styling, where the "Cassette Deck Series" styling had drifted too far from the Nak camp. In the Nakamichi scene, being newer than say the CR series for instance, doesn't count for anything. Cassette deck design was a mature technology basically when any of these models were made and successive generations/lines bought nothing new that was necessarily better then its predecessors. In fact, the genuine Niro Nak mechanism of a 680 series which was one of the audiophile models of choice between 1979 and 1982, is a good deal more durable than the Sankyo transport in the models sold during the mid-nineties (such as the DRs). However, in general a DR will not give you much trouble in normal use and will sound excellent. Any of them are worth owning, are attractive, well built, and sound pure and true to the source. Actually, being newer is beginning to count less and less in the digital world too, at the moment. The hardware industry is replete with machines whose designs smack of compromise, a trait which shows up in the short lives of the units. Despite SACD and DVD-A being on offer, the mass consumer is attracted by data-reduced formats where quality is compromised. Sadly, the broad public (and that's not us!) are made to believe that all digital is equal!! Caveat Emptor applies to people who purchase new things too!! 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From jhkim at pentamicro.com Fri Aug 29 11:12:05 2003 From: jhkim at pentamicro.com (=?ks_c_5601-1987?B?sejBvsf2XChKb25naHllb24gS2ltXCk=?=) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 18:12:05 +0900 Subject: [naktalk] Is Capstan always running?(CR-5) Message-ID: <02b001c36e0d$a0b87820$1901a8c0@jhkim> Hi all I bought a CR-5 deck. When power is on, capstan is always running regardless of PLAY. Is it right? Thanks. Jonghyeon Kim From marcdenis at iquebec.com Fri Aug 29 12:50:41 2003 From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 06:50:41 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Hello : Recomendations for a "new " Nak? In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D022021C9@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20030829063251.02676360@pop.iquebec.com> Regarding the CR-7, the record head azimuth is NOT automatically adjusted during Auto Calibration. Record head azimuth of the CR-7 is fixed. What the Auto Calibration process of the CR-7 does is align automatically the playback head azimuth relative to the record head, regardless of the manual azimuth knob position, in order to make accurate level and bias calibration afterwards. This is quite different from the 1000ZXL Auto Calibration which does adjust the record head azimuth relative to the fixed playback head before adjusting level and bias. At 08:32 2003/08/28 +1000, you wrote: >The Dragon only record in one direction, auto-reverse is only achieved in >playback. As you might have heard the CR7 will do auto-azimuth for recording >but has a manual azimuth adjustment knob at the front. > > Tom. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Ken Kirkpatrick [mailto:kenkirk at gte.net] >Sent: Thursday, 28 August 2003 3:32 >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Hello : Recomendations for a "new " Nak? > > > >Tom said: > >"Hi Ken. The CR7a does not support auto-reverse, but does support >auto-azimuth for perfect playback reproduction due to the playback head >aligning the linear tracks with every tape. If you want the best of both >worlds buy the Dragon, it has auto-reverse and auto-azimuth. The RX505 has >the auto-reverse feature but not the auto-azimuth. If you want the deck to >record both sides of the tape without user intervention, get the RX 505 >because it will flip the tape over without your assistance - great to watch >too! > > I own the RX505, and BTW an x-1000R Teac (wish I had the 2000), it >makes great recordings (thanks to Mr Stephen Sank) and I simply will not >part with it. > > Hope this helps. > > Regards, > > Tom Siomopoulos." > >Ken says: > >Thanks for the information. Does the Dragon switch sides during >recording automatically, or does the operator have to push a button? >About the Teac, many prefer the 1000 to the 2000. I prefer the 2000 for >the manual bias adjustment. They are very similar beasts. >I love my Teac and I also have a Tascam TSR 8 1/2" multitrack. But the >cost of the open reel tapes for just recording lp's is getting out of >hand. Also a buddy of mine just came into a nice collection of >prerecorded cassettes. So I just have to have a better Nak! > >Cheers, Ken >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >_____________________________________________________________________ >MSN Messenger, nouvelle version ! Personnalisez vos messages, jouez en >ligne et communiquez en temps réel par vidéo! http://ifrance.com/_reloc/m From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Aug 29 16:24:57 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 21:24:57 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Head Alignement Issues References: <157.23bc549a.2c800638@aol.com> Message-ID: <001f01c36e39$5367ab00$01299bca@smarzuki> I think we can get very good azimuth alignment by ear ... that is, as long as head height is still correct ! Once head height is tinkered, it would be quite difficult to get original position. Finding maximum output of 400 tones (as the 'standard procedure' of lesser quality decks) will still give a wide range of error. It can sound good on some tapes yet slightly off on others. It takes that almost extinct 1k track alignment to get brilliant Nak sound on most (say about 90%) tapes, with 100% score is reserved for NAAC. My suggestion is don't worry too much if you don't have ultra precise test tapes, with 2 or 3 regular test tapes - maybe even from friends' well tuned decks - you can also come to 'good enough' position. Seems like your BX300 still has good alignment. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: RTLehe at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 8:28 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Head Alignement Issues Thank you, that was very informative. I wish I could get the tools you use. I bought a BX 125 on ebay for $10. I replaced the idler tire, but it still sounded bad and the output way way low. I tinkered with the azimuth until I got it to match my BX300 and CR1A. I did it entirely by ear, recording music with a lot of high treble on the 300 and adjusting the azimuth on the 125 until it matchted. I dont know how closs I got it, but it sounds vastly better now than it did when I first got it. Now, where can I get the test tapes? Tad -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Aug 29 17:20:23 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 11:20:23 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Head Alignement Issues In-Reply-To: <01D01E6BE11A9446860268017C32F1F48B4909@BBUV0EXA.bbuv.ww011.siemens.net> References: <01D01E6BE11A9446860268017C32F1F48B4909@BBUV0EXA.bbuv.ww011.siemens.net> Message-ID: <3F4F6F37.3080601@rcn.com> From your description I gather you adjusted each deck PB head to match the azimuth of it's own REC head. But if the REC heads on the two decks weren't matched to start with, you ended up with a pair of incompatible decks. This is not surprising. To do this right, you need a reference tape, with which you can adjust the PB head. You then follow with adjusting the REC head to the (now known correct) PB head. Once this is done to both deck, it assures compatibility of the two decks. -- Ron Winter Christopher wrote: >Hi all, > >I recently tried to align the record and playback heads of my BX 300's >because of poor frequency response, when I found something >that seems strange to me: > >I recorded a 15 kHz sinus signal at 0 dB with Dolby C and monitored the >pb-head. I then adjusted rh-azimuth and ph-azimuth to obtain maximum >and symmetrical reading on both channels. This was repeated/verified >with a 20 kHz signal (0 dB). I also adjusted rh-height and ph-height >but only to find that there was nothing to optimize. >I did this on both BX 300's with different cassettes (TDK MA-X, >Maxell XL-IIS, BASF TPII Reference Maxima) for each deck. > >When I played back the recorded signals on the other deck, both, frequency >response and symmetry varied significantly, whereas playback in the >deck, which did record the tape, was perfect. > >So here are the questions: >- Why does getting the optimal frequency response only through optimizing > rh/ph-azimuth doesn't lead to an interchangeable tape? >- Are there several optimum azimuth positions (which in theory I didn't expect)? >- Does (from experience) removing and replacing the pressure pad lifter affect ph-azimuth? > >I should add that I didn't use any calibration tape before the above procedure. >Is it possible (via continued cross checking) to achive optimum results without >such a tape? > >Maybe some professionals can help me with that. > > >Best regards, > >Christopher >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Aug 29 19:47:20 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 23:17:20 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Is Capstan always running?(CR-5) Message-ID: <20030829174720.123A315E23@vsnlbill.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Aug 29 19:56:59 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 23:26:59 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Software for making tape covers / playlists ? Message-ID: <20030829175659.B9D3615E03@vsnlbill.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Aug 30 00:17:29 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 18:17:29 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Software for making tape covers / playlists ? In-Reply-To: <20030829175659.B9D3615E03@vsnlbill.vsnl.com> References: <20030829175659.B9D3615E03@vsnlbill.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <3F4FD0F9.7080206@rcn.com> kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: >Hi >i made a cassette insert sheet with Microsoft Publisher software about 6 years back on windows 3.1? or Win95 - check out its later incarnations if anything is available? It had a template to quickly make a cassette insert or cover sheet that can fit in an empty cassette case. Also check out internet sites for free software for such a type. >Kannan > >mcook17 at bellsouth.net wrote >Hello Sven, have you found anything yet to create tape case inserts with? = >I am interested in this also. I will look around and post any success. > >Mike > Avery has a free application (designed, of course, for *their* cassette labels.) that makes it easy to design and print labels. It is not easy to sue, but is fairly advanced in its capabilities (Merge, multiple printing of same label, etc.). It's called 'Avery Media Software and came with their video cassette labels packet. See if you can download it from their site. -- Ron From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Sat Aug 30 08:20:21 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 08:20:21 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Software for making tape covers / playlists ? Message-ID: Mike, Howzit. Re the cassette inserts, I have for some time used a format that I put together on MS Word. Primitive, but effective. Unless you buy something in a shop, you're going to end up with scissors in your hand at some stage!! I shall e-mail you direct with this simple format. When you cut it out, it will fit the interior of a regular cassette case. The reverse side (B) needs to be cut and glued to the reverse side of the side A info. Pritt works fine. You'll see what I mean. There is still space to retain the original J Card as well. Experiment a bit, and I would be happy to send you a sample in the post in any case. Standby for the attachment coming through to you on your direct service!! Have a good weekend. Marc The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From jerryjg at webtv.net Sat Aug 30 06:05:16 2003 From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 23:05:16 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [naktalk] On Cassette Tapes;C-120 Message-ID: <13176-3F50227C-1561@storefull-2237.public.lawson.webtv.net> heres a excerpt from the owners manual of my Nak. RX-303; 1) C-120 cassettes ...contain extremely thin tape which breaks or snarls easily,is sometmes subject to stretching and als is of low sensitivty.therefore,C-120 cassettesare not recommended for high fidelity recording.2)do not pull out(eaten)tape from the cassette housing3)be careful not to turn the cassette reels with the fingers,causing tape slackeningstore cassette tapes away from heat,high humidity,dust,and magnetic fields such as caused by speakers,tv sets etc. thank you very much, gerald From RTLehe at aol.com Sat Aug 30 16:05:52 2003 From: RTLehe at aol.com (RTLehe at aol.com) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 10:05:52 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Is Capstan always running?(CR-5) Message-ID: <1d1.100f0f86.2c820940@aol.com> I have always worried a little that the motor running all the time will wear it out sooner than it otherwise would, so I always turn off the deck if it is going to be idle for any significant length of time. I have never noticed any advantage to the motor running, so I would prefer that it go off when the deck is not playing or recording, as on the two-head decks. Is my worry ill-founded??. Tad. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bigbear69 at netzero.net Sat Aug 30 05:48:36 2003 From: bigbear69 at netzero.net (bigbear69) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 20:48:36 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700II for $100 Message-ID: <002401c36ea9$9a02a9a0$e004e043@compaq> I just found out I can purchase a 700II that works and the cosmetic condition states you’re have a hard time finding a scratch. I assume this is a good deal foe $100 American dollars. Yes it’s an old unit and sometimes it’s one thing wrong after another. I can only assume this is a good deal. If you don’t think so, please give back negative response only. 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Original Message: ----------------- From: bigbear69 bigbear69 at netzero.net Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 20:48:36 -0700 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700II for $100 I just found out I can purchase a 700II that works and the cosmetic condition states you’re have a hard time finding a scratch. I assume this is a good deal foe $100 American dollars. Yes it’s an old unit and sometimes it’s one thing wrong after another. I can only assume this is a good deal. If you don’t think so, please give back negative response only. I already own a Dragon, Zx-7 and LX-5 so am I missing anything in spund? -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Aug 30 22:31:13 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 21:31:13 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700II for $100 In-Reply-To: <002401c36ea9$9a02a9a0$e004e043@compaq> Message-ID: <000901c36f35$a7f4e460$bcd3883e@oemcomputer> Personally, I'd have thought it was worth $100 alive, and I wouldn't mind betting it will not be too long before it's worth that dead as well .. for the parts! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of bigbear69 Sent: 30 August 2003 04:49 To: Naktalk Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700II for $100 I just found out I can purchase a 700II that works and the cosmetic condition states you’re have a hard time finding a scratch. I assume this is a good deal foe $100 American dollars. Yes it’s an old unit and sometimes it ’s one thing wrong after another. I can only assume this is a good deal. If you don’t think so, please give back negative response only. I already own a Dragon, Zx-7 and LX-5 so am I missing anything in spund? --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 19/08/03 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marcdenis at iquebec.com Sun Aug 31 04:05:19 2003 From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 22:05:19 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Is Capstan always running?(CR-5) In-Reply-To: <1d1.100f0f86.2c820940@aol.com> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20030830212831.0267f360@pop.iquebec.com> Tad, this is an interesting question on which I would like to comment. As a background, I'll mention that I worked closely with Nakamichi Canada for approximately 15 years. When what we called internally the Euro Series components were introduced (Receiver 1/2/3, CDPlayer 1/2/3/4, CassetteDeck 1/1.5/2, we noticed that an unusual number of capstan motors had to be replaced under warranty on CassetteDeck 2, the deck that represented the bulk of Nak sales in the cassette deck category. CassetteDeck 2, a two-head deck, had its capstan motor running at all times the minute you turned on the machine to provide fast starts in Play or Record mode. I guess this was thought out originally as a logical thing to implement since the deck was compatible with the Synchro Recording feature of the MusicBank changers (i.e. you could program a list of songs from the seven discs in the changers and have the CDPlayer take control of the cassette deck, automatically putting it into Record mode and pausing it when discs were shuffled). The fact that this always-on capstan feature was coupled in the Euro Series with System Remote (i.e. you turned on your receiver remotely and this turned on CDPlayer and CassetteDeck at the same time through the rear AC outlets) caused an unexpected problem. People not bothering to turn off their system when not in use, or people playing the FM tuner on their receiver for hours every day, also had their capstan motor running for the same amount of time, even if they were not using their cassette deck at all, causing premature wear of said motor. This is why DR-3 that eventually replaced CassetteDeck 2 does not have its capstan motor running at all times, the only significant difference between the two decks besides cosmetics. To make a long story short, I think you are right to turn off your deck when it is going to be idle for a significant length of time. At 10:05 2003/08/30 -0400, you wrote: >I have always worried a little that the motor running all the time will >wear it out sooner than it otherwise would, so I always turn off the deck >if it is going to be idle for any significant length of time. I have >never noticed any advantage to the motor running, so I would prefer that >it go off when the deck is not playing or recording, as on the two-head >decks. Is my worry ill-founded??. > >Tad. From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Aug 30 20:27:02 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 14:27:02 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Is Capstan always running?(CR-5) In-Reply-To: <1d1.100f0f86.2c820940@aol.com> References: <1d1.100f0f86.2c820940@aol.com> Message-ID: <3F50EC76.6060809@rcn.com> RTLehe at aol.com wrote: >I have always worried a little that the motor running all the time will wear >it out sooner than it otherwise would, so I always turn off the deck if it is >going to be idle for any significant length of time. I have never noticed any >advantage to the motor running, so I would prefer that it go off when the >deck is not playing or recording, as on the two-head decks. Is my worry >ill-founded??. > >Tad. > I think your concern about motor wear is founded. This simply means that the motor should be serviced more often. In the case of my CR-7, this turns out to be about once a year or a bit more. I also tend to switch the deck off when not listening, though I do not bother if it's only for 15 minutes or half an hour. The advantage of the constantly running capstan motor is in the far more accurate cueing of recordings. For this reason, I would never defeat it. -- Ron From smoke at snip.net Sat Aug 30 22:44:50 2003 From: smoke at snip.net (John M. Smokevitch) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 16:44:50 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700II for $100 References: <002401c36ea9$9a02a9a0$e004e043@compaq> Message-ID: <3F510CC2.13757319@snip.net> You'd get three microphone live recording/mixing capability. That might make it worth while. Your Dragon and ZX-7 will probably record and playback better. But the 700II is not a slouch. At the time. it was Nak's top deck after the 1000II. Hope this helps. Best regards. John bigbear69 wrote: > I just found out I can purchase a 700II that works and the cosmetic > condition states you’re have a hard time finding a scratch. I assume > this is a good deal foe $100 American dollars. Yes it’s an old unit > and sometimes it’s one thing wrong after another. I can only assume > this is a good deal. If you don’t think so, please give back negative > response only. I already own a Dragon, Zx-7 and LX-5 so am I missing > anything in spund? > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jerryjg at webtv.net Sun Aug 31 22:49:42 2003 From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 15:49:42 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [naktalk] listening to prerecrded tapes Message-ID: <17371-3F525F66-3743@storefull-2238.public.lawson.webtv.net> let me see if i have this straight.i should listen to prerecorded tapes on a nak. deck model with the crappy heads set for the popular eq curve,or else listen on a standard brand cassete deck,unless i have a dragon which has a automatic azimuth compensation? same for recording?it sure seems like the prerecorded cassetes sound a lot better on my nak.s(RX303 and 700TT) than on m standard deck teac 95RX and yamaha-ha dual Cassete,but i havent had a chance to A.-B. them. thank you very much, gerald From RTLehe at aol.com Sun Aug 31 19:24:52 2003 From: RTLehe at aol.com (RTLehe at aol.com) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 13:24:52 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Is Capstan always running?(CR-5) Message-ID: <1c7.e6aa80f.2c838964@aol.com> I have never serviced a motor. What is involved? Tad -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2003\2003-9.txt ************************************************************************ From enoyes at snet.net Mon Sep 1 04:21:14 2003 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 22:21:14 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700II for $100 References: <002401c36ea9$9a02a9a0$e004e043@compaq> <3F510CC2.13757319@snip.net> Message-ID: <3F52AD1A.40202@snet.net> Having owned a CR7A, LX-5, and 700II that were all calibrated by Stephen Sank, I would have to say that while the CR7A is a better deck in terms of absolute specs, none of these machines could match the 700II in terms of providing a level of warmth and musicality to the sound. It might not have been the most detailed presentation from Nakamichi, but always proved to be my favorite for simply enjoying music! Ed John M. Smokevitch wrote: > You'd get three microphone live recording/mixing capability. That > might make it worth while. Your Dragon and ZX-7 will probably record > and playback better. But the 700II is not a slouch. At the time. it > was Nak's top deck after the 1000II. > > Hope this helps. Best regards. > John > > bigbear69 wrote: > >> I just found out I can purchase a 700II that works and the cosmetic >> condition states you're have a hard time finding a scratch. I assume >> this is a good deal foe $100 American dollars. Yes it's an old unit >> and sometimes it's one thing wrong after another. I can only assume >> this is a good deal. If you don't think so, please give back negative >> response only. I already own a Dragon, Zx-7 and LX-5 so am I missing >> anything in spund? >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Sep 1 09:42:54 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 09:42:54 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] listening to prerecrded tapes: Gerald Message-ID: Hi Gerald, I often listen to pre-recorded cassettes on my Naks - and they do indeed sound better than on run of the mill cassette decks made by other manufacturers. Believe me, there is more to this than record amp eq and playback eq, definitely. The heads and playback electronics are better than every other manufacturer. The head design and assembly somehow allows for more distortion free signal than any other head, either in pb or recording. The transports are extremely steady, the assymetrical dual capstan is a very accurate tape to head contact system - there is no better. The pad-lifters eliminate scrape flutter and practically eliminate wear of both the tape and the head. This makes any tape being played back sound quieter and purer, with no smearing. Certain decks have playback azimuth control. Dragon (an automated system, and very desirable for that reason), the CR-7, has this facility too, but you have to engage it. The Cassette Deck One and the DR-1 have manual playback azimuth control - also excellent for getting the best out of tapes recorded on other decks. Yamaha normally feature play trim, but this is an electronic attempt(cheap) to remedy a mechanical anomaly (expensive) and thus, for the golden eared brigade, ultimately fails to fix the problem. Play trim on NADs and Yamahas attempts to restore the theoretical 1-f frequency curve in music, if these frequecies are attenuated. Pioneer's FLEX circuitry attempts the same. One thing I can assure you about is the following. Prerecorded cassettes vary as much in head alignment and azimuth issues as a bunch of cassettes recorded by friends on different decks. No one bin-loop duplicator is the same. My TASCAM 112 is the most tolerant of varilations in pre-recorded tapes, but not all sound equally crisp and clean. By putting them in my Cassette Deck One with pb azimuth control, I know this is a fact!! Good luck. Marc The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Sep 1 15:57:31 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 09:57:31 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Is Capstan always running?(CR-5) In-Reply-To: <1c7.e6aa80f.2c838964@aol.com> References: <1c7.e6aa80f.2c838964@aol.com> Message-ID: <3F53504B.8030408@rcn.com> RTLehe at aol.com wrote: >I have never serviced a motor. What is involved? > >Tad > > For *my* CR-7, once every couple of years: take it apart; thoroughly clean and lubricate; adjust speed if needed; make sure idle current is per spec. Every year or so in-between, lubricate bearings from the front (no dismantling). I use the deck maybe 400 - 500 hours a year. I try to avoid having it sit turned on for hours when not playing. I clean and demagnetize heads and tape path every 40 - 50 hours. Others will no doubt have their own pet ideas. This works for me. -- Ron From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Sep 1 16:01:12 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 10:01:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700II for $100 In-Reply-To: <3F52AD1A.40202@snet.net> References: <002401c36ea9$9a02a9a0$e004e043@compaq> <3F510CC2.13757319@snip.net> <3F52AD1A.40202@snet.net> Message-ID: <3F535128.1060300@rcn.com> Can't say I share you regard for the 700. I owned one for years and, while I did enjoy it's sound, I found the 582 that replaced it to sound better. The CR-7 that replaced the 582 sounded better still, though not by much. -- Ron Ed Noyes wrote: > Having owned a CR7A, LX-5, and 700II that were all calibrated by > Stephen Sank, I would have to say that while the CR7A is a better deck > in terms of absolute specs, none of these machines could match the > 700II in terms of providing a level of warmth and musicality to the > sound. It might not have been the most detailed presentation from > Nakamichi, but always proved to be my favorite for simply enjoying music! > > Ed > > > John M. Smokevitch wrote: > >> You'd get three microphone live recording/mixing capability. That >> might make it worth while. Your Dragon and ZX-7 will probably record >> and playback better. But the 700II is not a slouch. At the time. it >> was Nak's top deck after the 1000II. >> >> Hope this helps. Best regards. >> John >> >> bigbear69 wrote: >> >>> I just found out I can purchase a 700II that works and the cosmetic >>> condition states you're have a hard time finding a scratch. I assume >>> this is a good deal foe $100 American dollars. Yes it's an old unit >>> and sometimes it's one thing wrong after another. I can only assume >>> this is a good deal. If you don't think so, please give back >>> negative response only. I already own a Dragon, Zx-7 and LX-5 so am >>> I missing anything in spund? >>> From RTLehe at aol.com Mon Sep 1 16:13:20 2003 From: RTLehe at aol.com (RTLehe at aol.com) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 10:13:20 EDT Subject: [naktalk] listening to prerecrded tapes: Gerald Message-ID: <4c.2187deb7.2c84ae00@aol.com> I have a BX-300 and a couple of two-head naks--a CR1 and BX-125. The virtues of the 300 are many, but for most pre-recorded tapes and tapes made on the "crappy headed Yamaha I used before I could afford a nak, I get better playback eq on the two-headed naks. Azimuth adjustment (which the 300 lacks) would not help this situation. If the azimuth was off on the 300, it would dull the highs, not exaggerate them, and the fact of the matter is that most of these tapes sound too bright on the 300. A play trim would help, because it can adjust the high end playback response either up or down. The treble control helps, but is not quite right because the turnover point is 1khz, when it needs to be 10 khz. The playback response on the CR and the BX125 is perfect for most of my 2,000 tapes that were not recorded on a nak. Some of my older tapes make for sloppy head-contact, and for these, the dual capstan and pad lifter are made to order, but for tapes in good shape, the eq advantage of the 2-head naks outweighs the advantage of the superior transport of the 3 head naks. So my advice to anyone with a substantial non-nak tape collection is to have both a 3-head nak and 2-head, post-BX nak. But these are just my opinions. Humbly submitted, Tad -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Bleus Madison, Wisc USA kjbleus at charter.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "MrBleus" To: NakChatt at yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 11:16 PM Subject: Re: How Much for a Nak ZX-7 ??? > "MrBleus" wrote: > > Here's an example of what can happen when several Nak enthusiasts > just must have an item they're bidding hotly upon..... > > Nak ZX-7 Deck: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2553763530&category=3278 > > Bids placed during the auction: > http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=2553763530 > > This is the most pricey ZX-7 I've ever seen. ZX's are getting more > difficult to procure I guess. Great deck, amazing auction! > > Bleus > > --- End forwarded message --- > From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Sep 2 00:16:45 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 23:16:45 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] listening to prerecrded tapes: Gerald In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000301c370d6$baa391e0$cc67893e@oemcomputer> In my experience, the Pioneer FLEX circuit works very well, particularly with dull, old recordings which azimuth control has no effect on what so ever. Graham > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Mark Hugo > Sent: 01 September 2003 08:43 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] listening to prerecrded tapes: Gerald > > > Hi Gerald, > > I often listen to pre-recorded cassettes on my Naks - and they do > indeed sound better than on run of the mill cassette decks made > by other manufacturers. > > Believe me, there is more to this than record amp eq and playback > eq, definitely. The heads and playback electronics are better > than every other manufacturer. The head design and assembly > somehow allows for more distortion free signal than any other > head, either in pb or recording. The transports are extremely > steady, the assymetrical dual capstan is a very accurate tape to > head contact system - there is no better. The pad-lifters > eliminate scrape flutter and practically eliminate wear of both > the tape and the head. This makes any tape being played back > sound quieter and purer, with no smearing. > > Certain decks have playback azimuth control. Dragon (an > automated system, and very desirable for that reason), the CR-7, > has this facility too, but you have to engage it. The Cassette > Deck One and the DR-1 have manual playback azimuth control - also > excellent for getting the best out of tapes recorded on other decks. > > Yamaha normally feature play trim, but this is an electronic > attempt(cheap) to remedy a mechanical anomaly (expensive) and > thus, for the golden eared brigade, ultimately fails to fix the > problem. Play trim on NADs and Yamahas attempts to restore the > theoretical 1-f frequency curve in music, if these frequecies are > attenuated. Pioneer's FLEX circuitry attempts the same. > > One thing I can assure you about is the following. Prerecorded > cassettes vary as much in head alignment and azimuth issues as a > bunch of cassettes recorded by friends on different decks. No > one bin-loop duplicator is the same. My TASCAM 112 is the most > tolerant of varilations in pre-recorded tapes, but not all sound > equally crisp and clean. By putting them in my Cassette Deck One > with pb azimuth control, I know this is a fact!! > > Good luck. > > Marc > > The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject > to legal privilege. 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Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 19/08/03 From jvbrhg at seanet.com Tue Sep 2 04:45:55 2003 From: jvbrhg at seanet.com (Babin/Greseth) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 19:45:55 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR3 vsl CR7... Message-ID: <000801c370fc$57e68320$281a0cd0@r7g1f8> Nak Friends- I have been looking for a CR7 to no avail. There is a CR3 on ebay. What's the difference? Can anyone help? Thanks, Randall in Seattle -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Tue Sep 2 17:52:55 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 17:52:55 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] FLEX Circuitry: Graham Message-ID: Hi Graham, You are quite right and infact, I was somewhat sweeping in my reference to FLEX and Play Trim in the same breath. In fact, FLEX is very clever really, by assuming a standard frequency curve/distribution for recorded music, and boosting any frequencies where these are deficient, not only due to alignment or azimuth problems but due to wear (loss of magnetic particles) or loss of magnetic retentivity. And this, azimuth control cannot do.The range of frequencies subject to boosting seems to cover the entire spectrum and is not just more straightforward HF lift effect of Play Trim. If anyone has not tried this feature with a truly nackered, old tape......it's quite an eye/ear opener!! But if you put in a nice, newly recorded cassette...........hmmmm, nothing. You just can't catch it out!! Thanks for that, and please pass on my apologies to your CT-S830S. Have a good evening!! Cheers, Marc The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. 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From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Sep 2 19:22:10 2003 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 00:22:10 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] zx7's new high Message-ID: <07b501c37176$be9325e0$d0299bca@smarzuki> Now this will tilt the statistics somehow .... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2553763530&category=3278 Cheers, Salim SM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Sep 2 19:06:08 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 13:06:08 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR3 vsl CR7... In-Reply-To: <000801c370fc$57e68320$281a0cd0@r7g1f8> References: <000801c370fc$57e68320$281a0cd0@r7g1f8> Message-ID: <3F54CE00.8090908@rcn.com> Babin/Greseth wrote: >Nak Friends- > >I have been looking for a CR7 to no avail. There is a CR3 on ebay. What's the difference? > >Can anyone help? > >Thanks, > >Randall in Seattle > > The CR-3 is a simpler, cheaper deck. It has a belt rive capstan motor (vs. the direct drive motor in the CR-7), no auto bias adjust, no azimuth adjustment, no fader, etc. Sound wise, the CR-7 has a subtle, but definitely audible advantage. -- Ron From marcdenis at iquebec.com Tue Sep 2 13:50:30 2003 From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 07:50:30 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR3 vsl CR7... In-Reply-To: <000801c370fc$57e68320$281a0cd0@r7g1f8> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20030902074057.028529d0@pop.iquebec.com> CR-3 is a basic three-head dual-capstan deck. Among other things, CR-7 has all these extra features: -Auto calibration -Playback azimuth -Real-time counter -Direct drive -Wireless remote control At 19:45 2003/09/01 -0700, you wrote: >Nak Friends- > >I have been looking for a CR7 to no avail. There is a CR3 on >ebay. What's the difference? > >Can anyone help? > >Thanks, > >Randall in Seattle >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From Modernizy at netscape.net Fri Sep 5 09:58:05 2003 From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 03:58:05 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RM-580 weird behaviour Message-ID: <4CD19832.0B50966B.026D48C1@netscape.net> Dear Naktalkers, A friend of mine bought RM-580 remote to use it with his Nakamichi decks. The problem is it doesn't work with either Dragon or RX-505 - the deck stops reacting on commands (even on buttons pressed on a faceplate). The manual stated that this remote was designed expresselly for Nak 580 deck. As far as I remember many of you used this remote with different Nak machines. Could you please give me the clue what is wrong. Are there different versions of RM-580 on the market? Or is there something wrong with this particular unit not connected with compatibility issue. Many thanks in advance. Nicholas. __________________________________________________________________ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 From jerryjg at webtv.net Fri Sep 5 01:12:22 2003 From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 18:12:22 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [naktalk] recording in mono? Message-ID: <11513-3F57C6D6-1431@storefull-2233.public.lawson.webtv.net> Is there Any way to use two nak decks and record in mono from the same source on each deck(if you could somehow start the decks simeltaneously)and then dub down to stereo for the final mix? thank you very much, gerald From jerryjg at webtv.net Fri Sep 5 18:10:52 2003 From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 11:10:52 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [naktalk] support naktalk Message-ID: <29415-3F58B58C-404@storefull-2234.public.lawson.webtv.net> i would like to urge everyone to support naktalk.im on a limited income,still i found it important to make a contribution to this great site.since i joined i have learned so much from the experts ;asked some bad questions and some not so bad questions,but people have been real nice,and i never would have gotten the info. i needed otherwise . Pay Pal made it real easy too-thanks! thank you very much, gerald From jvbrhg at seanet.com Fri Sep 5 07:39:02 2003 From: jvbrhg at seanet.com (Babin/Greseth) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 22:39:02 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Fw: Maxell "Epitaxial" cassettes Message-ID: <000901c37370$03baa1c0$3e1a0cd0@r7g1f8> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 3:34 PM Subject: RE: Maxell "Epitaxial" cassettes > Dear Randall, > > Thank you for contacting Maxell. > > "Epitaxial" is the name that Maxell engineers gave to the shape of the magnetic particles that they developed for use on both Audio and Video tape. These particles are shaped much like a grain of rice, although much, much smaller, > > Again, thank you for contacting Maxell Technical Support. > Susan S. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Babin/Greseth [mailto:jvbrhg at seanet.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 9:29 AM > To: Maxell Support > Subject: Maxell "Epitaxial" cassettes > > > > > Years ago you used to call your premium audio cassettes "epitaxial". This > word is not even in the Oxford English Dictionary!!! > > What does is mean? > > Randall > From n.van.wijnen at home.nl Tue Sep 2 20:39:04 2003 From: n.van.wijnen at home.nl (norman van wijnen) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 20:39:04 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: How Much for a Nak ZX-7 ??? References: <000701c3710a$710524c0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6> Message-ID: <002301c37181$7c6aa6b0$0400a8c0@CC132114B> wow i think i'am gonna wait a litlle selling mine Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: "KJ Bleus" To: Cc: "KJ Bleus" Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 6:26 Subject: [naktalk] Re: How Much for a Nak ZX-7 ??? > If you're a Nak ZX-7 owner, you might want to read up on the forwarded email > (posted below). Valuation of pristine shape ZX-7's must be rising. > > I'm off on a short trip, we'll get things back together on the weekend! > > Regards, > > K.J. Bleus > Madison, Wisc USA > kjbleus at charter.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MrBleus" > To: NakChatt at yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 11:16 PM > Subject: Re: How Much for a Nak ZX-7 ??? > > > > "MrBleus" wrote: > > > > Here's an example of what can happen when several Nak enthusiasts > > just must have an item they're bidding hotly upon..... > > > > Nak ZX-7 Deck: > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2553763530&category=3278 > > > > Bids placed during the auction: > > http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=2553763530 > > > > This is the most pricey ZX-7 I've ever seen. ZX's are getting more > > difficult to procure I guess. Great deck, amazing auction! > > > > Bleus > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From p9019 at yahoo.com Sun Sep 7 01:58:01 2003 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 16:58:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RM-580 weird behaviour In-Reply-To: <4CD19832.0B50966B.026D48C1@netscape.net> Message-ID: <20030906235801.81974.qmail@web40414.mail.yahoo.com> The RM-580 will work on many Nak decks that have the remote jack, but, not the Dragon and RX-505 as you know. The reason is the RM-580 sucks power from the deck. One of the pins on the remote jack outputs +12V to power the remote receiver. Not the RX-505 or the Dragon. They use the +12V pin for reverse and there are no other pins available. If you really wanted to you would power the RM-580 from a small wall plug power supply and cut the power going to the +12V pin to the remote plug. Now all 6 functions on the RM-580 should work. You could also accomplish this with a small cable assembly that connects between the decks and the remote. Connect all 6 function and ground pins straight through and connect the RM-580 power input to the ac adapter. Scott J. --- Nick wrote: > Dear Naktalkers, > > A friend of mine bought RM-580 remote to use it with > his Nakamichi decks. The problem is it doesn't work > with either Dragon or RX-505 - the deck stops > reacting on commands (even on buttons pressed on a > faceplate). The manual stated that this remote was > designed expresselly for Nak 580 deck. > > As far as I remember many of you used this remote > with different Nak machines. Could you please give > me the clue what is wrong. Are there different > versions of RM-580 on the market? Or is there > something wrong with this particular unit not > connected with compatibility issue. > > Many thanks in advance. > > Nicholas. > > __________________________________________________________________ > McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. > Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. > Get your free trial today! > http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 > > Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. > Download Now! > http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From roleo at telus.net Sun Sep 7 02:01:13 2003 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 17:01:13 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] RM-580 weird behaviour References: <4CD19832.0B50966B.026D48C1@netscape.net> Message-ID: <02a601c374d3$29a1d8e0$eca7b742@desktop> Nicholas, There's nothing wrong with the remote. But it will not work with the RX-505, Dragon or CR-7. I have tried it and it acts very wierd even making the deck run at the wrong speed. However, the RM-580 remote works with A LOT of Naks, everything from the 1000ZXL to the ZX9 680, 580, MR, BX-300 and a number of others. The Dragon, RX-505 and CR-7 will only work with their original remotes: Dragon - RM-20 (wired); RX-505 - RM-15 (wired), and the CR-7 with it's supplied wireless. The only other remote option is if you have Nakamichi amplifier / receiver with a system remote. Then you will need a "Nakamichi RC-4 Remote Signal Converter" which will allow the deck to run off the system remote. I use am RE-1 Receiver with system remote to control my Dragon, and it works perfectly - fully functional. Those signal converter boxes though are rare and hard to find. --Roland ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 12:58 AM Subject: [naktalk] RM-580 weird behaviour > Dear Naktalkers, > > A friend of mine bought RM-580 remote to use it with his Nakamichi decks. The problem is it doesn't work with either Dragon or RX-505 - the deck stops reacting on commands (even on buttons pressed on a faceplate). The manual stated that this remote was designed expresselly for Nak 580 deck. > > As far as I remember many of you used this remote with different Nak machines. Could you please give me the clue what is wrong. Are there different versions of RM-580 on the market? Or is there something wrong with this particular unit not connected with compatibility issue. > > Many thanks in advance. > > Nicholas. > > __________________________________________________________________ > McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. > Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! > http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 > > Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! > http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hifiman at dsl.pipex.com Sun Sep 7 13:57:18 2003 From: hifiman at dsl.pipex.com (Hifiman) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 12:57:18 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi ZXL 1000 Tapedeck limited edition Message-ID: <000a01c37537$3348b580$a52efea9@STUDY> This is what originally got me hooked on Naks all those years ago.... A review of the Nakamichi ZXL 1000 Tapedeck limited edition!!!! One going on ebay (see attached link). But heck...! Look at that price...!! http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3043854515&category =4784 Neale From ti at amb.org Sun Sep 7 04:17:05 2003 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 19:17:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] zx7's new high In-Reply-To: <07b501c37176$be9325e0$d0299bca@smarzuki> from "Salim Marzuki" at Sep 03, 2003 12:22:10 AM Message-ID: <200309070217.CAA09800@amb.org> Salim Marzuki writes: > Now this will tilt the statistics somehow .... > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2553763530&category=3278 Wow, that "splicerdog" guy *really* *really* wants this deck! :-) -Ti Nakamichi Dragon -- /// Ti Kan Vorsprung durch Technik /// AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA /// ti at amb.org ////// http://www.amb.org/ti/ /// From hifiman at dsl.pipex.com Sun Sep 7 14:42:08 2003 From: hifiman at dsl.pipex.com (Hifiman) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 13:42:08 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] What a dilemma.... Which is better? Message-ID: <000b01c3753d$7366aef0$a52efea9@STUDY> Wow is me! Yipeeeeee.... my 'new' Dragon has arrived (and I'm talking cassette decks here...!). I sold my RX-505 some time ago, as well as my Hi-Com II (to another list member -hope still going strong?). I took a gamble & bought a CR-7 on eBay from the US last year works great! But..... just couldn't help myself few weeks back when a Dragon was going for a good price. Now arrived! Bonus: complete with original packing,leads,manual & even an unopened cleaning kit. US model so need to use a step down tranformer again. Now to the questions: which is better at what...? Havent been able to do direct comparison yet... But love the auto-reverse on the Dragon. Equally love the remote control option on the CR7 (don't have original remote but finally got Pronto to control it). The Dragon set up procedure when recording I can see being a little irksome (well by comparison to CR7 anyway...!) yet the NAAC is more convenient than the manual requirement of the CR7.... It's only a matter of time before the wife (dragon II?) demands I sell on one of them (she has a point -just room for chairs amongst the black boxes, LPs tapes & cds), but in the meantime....which shall I play! BTW... Anyone able to suggest a quieter step-down transformer (probably build my own) -think main factor is simply mechanical integrity to reduce mains hum? Neale From Modernizy at netscape.net Sun Sep 7 16:58:35 2003 From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 10:58:35 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RM-580 weird behaviour Message-ID: <4A6910ED.11AB000A.026D48C1@netscape.net> Dear Scott and Roland, Thank you very much for your informative answers. I really forgot about that reverse thing at those decks as this feature is quite rare at Nakamichis. With the very best wishes, Nicholas. __________________________________________________________________ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Sep 7 22:52:44 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 21:52:44 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] What a dilemma.... Which is better? In-Reply-To: <000b01c3753d$7366aef0$a52efea9@STUDY> Message-ID: <000e01c37581$fc8aed60$2c834c51@oemcomputer> Neale I find the step down transformers from Maplins work very well. They recently had a very nice one on special offer - may still be had. Gra' PS Yes, the v. nice High Comm II us still working fine, altho' - to be honest - I find I don't need it as I thought I would. > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Hifiman > Sent: 07 September 2003 13:42 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] What a dilemma.... Which is better? > > > Wow is me! Yipeeeeee.... my 'new' Dragon has arrived (and I'm talking > cassette decks here...!). I sold my RX-505 some time ago, as well as my > Hi-Com II (to another list member -hope still going strong?). I took a > gamble & bought a CR-7 on eBay from the US last year works great! > But..... just couldn't help myself few weeks back when a Dragon was > going for a good price. Now arrived! Bonus: complete with original > packing,leads,manual & even an unopened cleaning kit. US model so need > to use a step down tranformer again. > > Now to the questions: which is better at what...? > Havent been able to do direct comparison yet... But love the > auto-reverse on the Dragon. Equally love the remote control option on > the CR7 (don't have original remote but finally got Pronto to control > it). The Dragon set up procedure when recording I can see being a > little irksome (well by comparison to CR7 anyway...!) yet the NAAC is > more convenient than the manual requirement of the CR7.... > > It's only a matter of time before the wife (dragon II?) demands I sell > on one of them (she has a point -just room for chairs amongst the black > boxes, LPs tapes & cds), but in the meantime....which shall I play! > > BTW... Anyone able to suggest a quieter step-down transformer (probably > build my own) -think main factor is simply mechanical integrity to > reduce mains hum? > > > Neale > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 01/09/03 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 01/09/03 From ti at amb.org Sun Sep 7 21:28:29 2003 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 12:28:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi ZXL 1000 Tapedeck limited edition In-Reply-To: <000a01c37537$3348b580$a52efea9@STUDY> from "Hifiman" at Sep 07, 2003 12:57:18 PM Message-ID: <200309071928.TAA18440@amb.org> Hifiman writes: > This is what originally got me hooked on Naks all those years ago.... A > review of the Nakamichi ZXL 1000 Tapedeck limited edition!!!! One going > on ebay (see attached link). But heck...! Look at that price...!! > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3043854515&category > =4784 Eeek... More than a trifle steep, no wonder there were no bids. -Ti Nakamichi Dragon -- /// Ti Kan Vorsprung durch Technik /// AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA /// ti at amb.org ////// http://www.amb.org/ti/ /// From kjbleus at charter.net Sun Sep 7 23:49:50 2003 From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 16:49:50 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: How Much for a Nak ZX-7 ??? References: <000701c3710a$710524c0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6> Message-ID: <003601c37589$f72b5f50$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6> Lots of Nak ZX-7 decks posted on the auction block now, after that amazing bidding competition for another ZX-7 last week. You have to admit that the auctions are buyer driven, with prices going astronomical when fierce competitors tangle. Some people appear to have money to burn, others are likely ignorant about the advantages of doing a bit of research and costing via the internet before getting into a tizzie about an auction offering. I'm certainly intrigued with the ZX-7's overall functionality, an early 1980's phenomenon that is recognized as exceptional engineering during those classic years of analogue cassette use. I possess one of these beauties myself, purchased when they were considered rarities several years ago (and when $400 was a fetching price for a pristine ZX-7). Yet its puzzling that the recent auctions are demonstrating that people continue to grab these decks at higher and higher costs, in fact, what ever price necessary. No doubt, some of the NakTalkers have theories.... Notice that as Sept 7th, there are four additional ZX-7 auctions now posted to ebay.com. One of these auctions stands out, much due to seller's presentation, and its likely the one where the bidding will soar as the auction comes to a closing next week: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3045550850&category=4784 The other ZX-7's just to keep tabs on the price bidding.... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3045245260&category=4784 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3346535039&category=27795 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3044711913&category=4784 Regards, K.J. Bleus Madison, Wisc USA kjbleus at charter.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MrBleus" > To: NakChatt at yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 11:16 PM > Subject: Re: How Much for a Nak ZX-7 ??? > > > > "MrBleus" wrote: > > > > Here's an example of what can happen when several Nak enthusiasts > > just must have an item they're bidding hotly upon..... > > > > Nak ZX-7 Deck: > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2553763530&category=3278 > > > > Bids placed during the auction: > > http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=2553763530 > > > > This is the most pricey ZX-7 I've ever seen. ZX's are getting more > > difficult to procure I guess. Great deck, amazing auction! > > > > Bleus > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > > > From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Sep 7 15:42:07 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 09:42:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] zx7's new high In-Reply-To: <200309070217.CAA09800@amb.org> References: <200309070217.CAA09800@amb.org> Message-ID: <3F5B35AF.2000408@rcn.com> Ti Kan wrote: > Salim Marzuki writes: > >>Now this will tilt the statistics somehow .... >> >>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2553763530&category=3278 > > > Wow, that "splicerdog" guy *really* *really* wants this deck! :-) > > -Ti > Nakamichi Dragon Ebay marketplace does not follow the 'normal' market behavior. By being so accessible to such a wide variety of buyers, it is exposed to the naive, quirky, irresponsible and, yes, to the stupid -- all the people that, if it weren't for ebay, wouldn't know what Nakamichi is. I have seen people pay for an item substantially more than they can get that same item for at the corner store. Or maybe through 'normal' mail order channels (where the rip-off rate is far lower and they can pay with their credit card). You can see such irrational behavior in any casino. Splicerdog paid for his 'new' ZX-7 more than twice what it is worth. The question is, does this speak highly of the deck, poorly of splicerdog (I certainly don't think much of his choice for a handle), or even poorer of the ebay environment. -- Ron From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Sep 8 01:10:28 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 00:10:28 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] zx7's new high In-Reply-To: <3F5B35AF.2000408@rcn.com> Message-ID: <000001c37595$3a29ca20$e8d0883e@oemcomputer> Ron said: "Splicerdog paid for his 'new' ZX-7 more than twice what it is worth. " Adam Smith would say an item is worth whatever anyone is willing to pay for it at any given moment. Like it or hate it, that's Capitalism! :o) --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 01/09/03 From hifiman at dsl.pipex.com Mon Sep 8 01:09:01 2003 From: hifiman at dsl.pipex.com (Hifiman) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 00:09:01 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RM-580 weird behaviour In-Reply-To: <02a601c374d3$29a1d8e0$eca7b742@desktop> Message-ID: <002301c37595$075a2130$a52efea9@STUDY> Hi Roland I have a CR7 but it came without remote -I finally used a Pronto programmable remote. However I have just bought a Dragon & was interested in the RE-1 that you mention. I take it this is / was a Nak sorced product that receives IR signals & feeds them into the Dragon remote socket? Is this correct (havent come across this item before) Cheers, Neale -----Original Message----- From: Roland Alford [mailto:roleo at telus.net] Sent: 07 September 2003 01:01 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] RM-580 weird behaviour Nicholas, There's nothing wrong with the remote. But it will not work with the RX-505, Dragon or CR-7. I have tried it and it acts very wierd even making the deck run at the wrong speed. However, the RM-580 remote works with A LOT of Naks, everything from the 1000ZXL to the ZX9 680, 580, MR, BX-300 and a number of others. The Dragon, RX-505 and CR-7 will only work with their original remotes: Dragon - RM-20 (wired); RX-505 - RM-15 (wired), and the CR-7 with it's supplied wireless. The only other remote option is if you have Nakamichi amplifier / receiver with a system remote. Then you will need a "Nakamichi RC-4 Remote Signal Converter" which will allow the deck to run off the system remote. I use am RE-1 Receiver with system remote to control my Dragon, and it works perfectly - fully functional. Those signal converter boxes though are rare and hard to find. --Roland ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick" < Modernizy at netscape.net> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" < naktalk at naks.com> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 12:58 AM Subject: [naktalk] RM-580 weird behaviour > Dear Naktalkers, > > A friend of mine bought RM-580 remote to use it with his Nakamichi decks. The problem is it doesn't work with either Dragon or RX-505 - the deck stops reacting on commands (even on buttons pressed on a faceplate). The manual stated that this remote was designed expresselly for Nak 580 deck. > > As far as I remember many of you used this remote with different Nak machines. Could you please give me the clue what is wrong. Are there different versions of RM-580 on the market? Or is there something wrong with this particular unit not connected with compatibility issue. > > Many thanks in advance. > > Nicholas. > > __________________________________________________________________ > McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. > Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! > http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 > > Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! > http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 > ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bigbear69 at netzero.net Mon Sep 8 05:45:08 2003 From: bigbear69 at netzero.net (bigbear69) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 20:45:08 -0700 Subject: FW: [naktalk] Re: How Much for a Nak ZX-7 ??? Message-ID: <000101c375bb$9a68cf00$0531db43@compaq> I have a Sanktified Dragon and LX-5 of which Mr. Sank describes in superb 'just like new' condition. However, my ZX-7 has always sound more appealing to me. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of norman van wijnen Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 11:39 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: How Much for a Nak ZX-7 ??? wow i think i'am gonna wait a litlle selling mine Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: "KJ Bleus" To: Cc: "KJ Bleus" Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 6:26 Subject: [naktalk] Re: How Much for a Nak ZX-7 ??? > If you're a Nak ZX-7 owner, you might want to read up on the forwarded email > (posted below). Valuation of pristine shape ZX-7's must be rising. > > I'm off on a short trip, we'll get things back together on the weekend! > > Regards, > > K.J. Bleus > Madison, Wisc USA > kjbleus at charter.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MrBleus" > To: NakChatt at yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 11:16 PM > Subject: Re: How Much for a Nak ZX-7 ??? > > > > "MrBleus" wrote: > > > > Here's an example of what can happen when several Nak enthusiasts > > just must have an item they're bidding hotly upon..... > > > > Nak ZX-7 Deck: > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2553763530&category=3 278 > > > > Bids placed during the auction: > > http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=2553763530 > > > > This is the most pricey ZX-7 I've ever seen. ZX's are getting more > > difficult to procure I guess. Great deck, amazing auction! > > > > Bleus From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Sep 8 15:39:36 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 09:39:36 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] zx7's new high In-Reply-To: <000001c37595$3a29ca20$e8d0883e@oemcomputer> References: <000001c37595$3a29ca20$e8d0883e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3F5C8698.8030703@rcn.com> Nelson wrote: > Ron said: "Splicerdog paid for his 'new' ZX-7 more than twice what it is > worth. " > > Adam Smith would say an item is worth whatever anyone is willing to pay for > it at any given moment. Like it or hate it, that's Capitalism! > > :o) Dear old Adam didn't have cassette decks in mind... If one can get any number of ZX-7s for $356.01 to $491.59 (see Naks.com prices page), then $1,075.01 is more than twice the intrinsic value. Amend Adam Smith's rule to read: "An item is worth no more than anyone is willing to pay for it and no less than anyone is willing to accept for it, at any given moment." This may not be Capitalism, but it makes for Common Sense... -- Ron From ddino77 at earthlink.net Mon Sep 8 21:16:44 2003 From: ddino77 at earthlink.net (ddino77 at earthlink.net) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 15:16:44 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] zx7's new high Message-ID: <63340-22003918191644178@M2W058.mail2web.com> Put that (list any NAK deck hear) in a time capsule and bury for 100 years. List on ebay in Dec. of 3003 and behold..........$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Original Message: ----------------- From: Ron ra.ah at rcn.com Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 09:39:36 -0400 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] zx7's new high Nelson wrote: > Ron said: "Splicerdog paid for his 'new' ZX-7 more than twice what it is > worth. " > > Adam Smith would say an item is worth whatever anyone is willing to pay for > it at any given moment. Like it or hate it, that's Capitalism! > > :o) Dear old Adam didn't have cassette decks in mind... If one can get any number of ZX-7s for $356.01 to $491.59 (see Naks.com prices page), then $1,075.01 is more than twice the intrinsic value. Amend Adam Smith's rule to read: "An item is worth no more than anyone is willing to pay for it and no less than anyone is willing to accept for it, at any given moment." This may not be Capitalism, but it makes for Common Sense... -- Ron ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From roleo at telus.net Tue Sep 9 02:49:36 2003 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 17:49:36 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] zx7's new high References: <63340-22003918191644178@M2W058.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <000d01c3766c$406b1150$eca7b742@desktop> Not be picky, but 100 years from now is the year 2103, but I get your point. Of course by then it will be as outdated as an old phonograph from the "His Masters Voice" era. --Roland ---- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 12:16 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] zx7's new high > Put that (list any NAK deck hear) in a time capsule and bury for 100 years. > List on ebay in Dec. of 3003 and behold..........$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: Ron ra.ah at rcn.com > Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 09:39:36 -0400 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] zx7's new high > > > Nelson wrote: > > Ron said: "Splicerdog paid for his 'new' ZX-7 more than twice what it is > > worth. " > > > > Adam Smith would say an item is worth whatever anyone is willing to pay > for > > it at any given moment. Like it or hate it, that's Capitalism! > > > > :o) > > Dear old Adam didn't have cassette decks in mind... > If one can get any number of ZX-7s for $356.01 to > $491.59 (see Naks.com prices page), then $1,075.01 > is more than twice the intrinsic value. > > Amend Adam Smith's rule to read: "An item is worth > no more than anyone is willing to pay for it and no > less than anyone is willing to accept for it, at > any given moment." This may not be Capitalism, but > it makes for Common Sense... > > -- Ron > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wdrewes at iafrica.com Tue Sep 9 13:51:32 2003 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wme drewes) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 13:51:32 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon eBay#3045582224 Message-ID: <000a01c376c8$bb7a5840$2100000a@wdrewes> Look what Stephen Sank's name does to the auction price of a Nak ! Walter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bigbear69 at netzero.net Wed Sep 10 07:08:52 2003 From: bigbear69 at netzero.net (bigbear69) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 22:08:52 -0700 Subject: FW: [naktalk] Re: How Much for a Nak ZX-7 ??? Message-ID: <000001c37759$a2724ba0$c9ca3040@compaq> Replaced some 31 orange capacitors, along with the regular maintenance - belts, alignment, calibration, lube, etc. The cost - I believe in the area of $170 - $190. Just did a quick search for the receipt and could not find it. I would like to note though that my Dragon was in excellent condition in and out before being serviced. After being serviced, I really could not notice a difference in sound. If there was a difference, I would say it was not greater than 5%. In conclusion, don't get me wrong. Mr. Sank does excellent work and I put my trust in him. I also had bought an LX-3 from him which sounded absolutely wonderful. He was even a nice guy to fix and upgrade my Bose 901 EQ (which I have not yet used). I just don't have any time for the Dragon and it's for sale. Anybody can write me off the Naktalk site. A Dragon to me is like a Mercedes in the garage. I love knowing that I own one and I love looking at it. If I don’t get a buyer on it, I'll be posting it on ebay. When - that may be years since I'm just so busy lately. -----Original Message----- From: Ti Kan [mailto:ti at amb.org] Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 9:19 PM To: bigbear69 at netzero.net Subject: [naktalk] Re: How Much for a Nak ZX-7 ??? You wrote: > From: "bigbear69" > To: "Naktalk" > > I have a Sanktified Dragon and LX-5 of which Mr. Sank describes in > superb 'just like new' condition. However, my ZX-7 has always sound more > appealing to me. Hi, Just out of curiosity, what did Mr. Sank do for your Dragon and how much did it cost? My Dragon works fine but I think it might benefit from a record head azimuth alignment. -Ti -- /// Ti Kan Vorsprung durch Technik /// AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA /// ti at amb.org ////// http://www.amb.org/ti/ /// From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Sep 10 17:38:58 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 11:38:58 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon eBay#3045582224 In-Reply-To: <000a01c376c8$bb7a5840$2100000a@wdrewes> References: <000a01c376c8$bb7a5840$2100000a@wdrewes> Message-ID: <3F5F4592.8000806@rcn.com> wme drewes wrote: > Look what Stephen Sank's name does to the auction price of a Nak ! > Walter > Makes sense, doesn't it? Stephen probably charged over 100 bucks. Add to that shipping back and forth from Canada to NM, USA and you're not too far off from $200. This was all done very recently, so one would expect the expense to be almost fully recoverable. $800 (current bid) is not unreasonable. -- Ron From jerryjg at webtv.net Thu Sep 11 05:32:26 2003 From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 22:32:26 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [naktalk] DBX? Message-ID: <10941-3F5FECCA-698@storefull-2238.public.lawson.webtv.net> what is DBX?i have an teac V-95RX that plays DBX encoded tapes.Does my nak RX-303 Or My 700TT Play DBX encoded Tapes? Maybe I should Hang on to the Teac If Dolby is different From DBX. thank you very much, gerald From ti at amb.org Thu Sep 11 10:11:09 2003 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 01:11:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] DBX? In-Reply-To: <10941-3F5FECCA-698@storefull-2238.public.lawson.webtv.net> from "Gerald G." at Sep 10, 2003 10:32:26 PM Message-ID: <200309110811.IAA21866@amb.org> Gerald G. writes: > what is DBX?i have an teac V-95RX that plays DBX encoded tapes.Does my > nak RX-303 Or My 700TT Play DBX encoded Tapes? Maybe I should Hang on to > the Teac If Dolby is different From DBX. dbx is different than Dolby. It's a dynamic range compander (compressor and expander) based noise reduction system. A tape that is recorded with dbx encoding must be played with the corresponding decoder to sound right. No Nakamichi deck has a built-in dbx decoder. If you play your dbx-encoded tape on a Nak, then you'll need an outboard dbx decoder box. -Ti Nakamichi Dragon -- /// Ti Kan Vorsprung durch Technik /// AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA /// ti at amb.org ////// http://www.amb.org/ti/ /// From RTLehe at aol.com Thu Sep 11 13:14:56 2003 From: RTLehe at aol.com (RTLehe at aol.com) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 07:14:56 EDT Subject: [naktalk] DBX? Message-ID: <15c.23c29229.2c91b330@aol.com> Saturdayaudio.com has a used DBX outboad noise reduction unit for $39. Tad -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marcdenis at iquebec.com Thu Sep 11 21:20:12 2003 From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 15:20:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] DBX? Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20030911152007.00e2ef00@pop.iquebec.com> At 22:32 2003/09/10 -0500, you wrote: >what is DBX? "dbx" is the name of a company that designs, manufactures and/or licenses many types of products and technologies aimed at consumers and professionals. For example, they make dynamic range expanders through which you can play any unencoded source. The end result may or may not please you. dbx also created the broadcast and decoding standard for stereo television in North America and collect royalties accordingly from broadcasters and TV manufacturers. They also made speakers at some point. What they are best known for in the recording world are their "dbx Type I" (professional, for high end reel-to-reel decks) and "dbx Type II" (consumer, for cassette and basic reel-to-reel decks) noise reduction systems. >i have an teac V-95RX that plays DBX encoded tapes.Does my >nak RX-303 Or My 700TT Play DBX encoded Tapes? You Teac V-95RX features built-in "dbx Type II" noise reduction circuitry for encoding and decoding. You absolutely need to decode dbx-encoded tapes to make them listenable. They will sound unacceptably compressed otherwise. To listen to dbx-encoded tapes on your Nak 700, you will an outboard "dbx Type II" unit such as dbx branded Model 224 or NX-40. >Maybe I should Hang on to >the Teac If Dolby is different From DBX. > >thank you very much, >gerald > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >_____________________________________________________________________ >MSN Messenger, nouvelle version ! Personnalisez vos messages, jouez en >ligne et communiquez en temps réel par vidéo! http://ifrance.com/_reloc/m From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Sat Sep 13 12:15:37 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 12:15:37 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Fw: Maxell "Epitaxial" cassettes: Randall Message-ID: Hi Randall, Up until Hitachi-Maxell developed the chemical process for manufacturing magnetite (some kind of ion exchange method that was later 'approximately' copied by Taiyo Yuden), they refered to their high position tapes as epitaxial. Indeed, the XLII-S of 1984 says "High-Epitaxial". They called their metal alloy "MX" tapes "Metaxial". The particles are indeed rice-shaped and of course, tiny. As time wore on, and technology improved, the particles got smaller and smaller. They claimed better performance overall as this evolution took place, although many naksters here will tell you that they have XLII, UD-XL and XLII-S cassettes that are going on 20 years old and they still sound pristine, as if they had been recorded yesterday. I must admit that I have high end tapes from other manufacturers of that vintage, which are also faultless. Specifically, they are Sony UCX-S(Crimson), and the one down from this - the UCX (pink), Hitachi ME (identical to Maxell MX), and TDK SA-X. So...........smaller rice might not be better, after all!! Cheers, Marc The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From BOEING747600 at aol.com Sat Sep 13 07:46:31 2003 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 01:46:31 EDT Subject: [naktalk] how to adjust the small white gear wheel on Nakamichi 480 cassette deck Message-ID: <16b.23b3dd6b.2c940937@aol.com> Hi Fellow Nakamichi Fans! I just brought a Nakamichi 480 cassette deck and i see there are small plastic gear wheels underneath the playback head, since i dont have the insturction manual or the serivce manual, will some kind sould please advice me as to what is the correct sequence to adjust these small white plastic gear wheels and the playback azimuth wheel so best performance in both playback and recording can be obtained. Also what is the correct setting of the ex/sx/zx tape switch if one want to use the TDK SA-c60 tape. Any kind help in this regard will be much appreciated!! Thanks! Sikander -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jerryjg at webtv.net Sat Sep 13 10:07:57 2003 From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 03:07:57 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [naktalk] teac vs. nak Message-ID: <28162-3F62D05D-28@storefull-2236.public.lawson.webtv.net> i know nothing approaches the dragon in high end cassette,but are the high dollar teac decks competition for other reveered nak models(teac decks like the 8000)? thank you very much, gerald From marcdenis at iquebec.com Sat Sep 13 14:37:17 2003 From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 08:37:17 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] how to adjust the small white gear wheel on Nakamichi 480 cassette deck In-Reply-To: <16b.23b3dd6b.2c940937@aol.com> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20030913083259.03378f00@pop.iquebec.com> EX is for Type I (normal) SX is for Type II (chrome & other high bias tapes such as TDK SA) ZX is for Type IV (metal) At 01:46 2003/09/13 -0400, you wrote: >Hi Fellow Nakamichi Fans! I just brought a Nakamichi 480 cassette >deck and i see there are small plastic gear wheels underneath the >playback head, since i dont have the insturction manual or the serivce >manual, will some kind sould please advice me as to what is the correct >sequence to adjust these small white plastic gear wheels and the playback >azimuth wheel so best performance in both playback and recording can be >obtained. Also what is the correct setting of the ex/sx/zx tape switch if >one want to use the TDK SA-c60 tape. Any kind help in this regard will >be much appreciated!! Thanks! > >Sikander >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From srudick at hotmail.com Sat Sep 13 14:57:35 2003 From: srudick at hotmail.com (Steve Rudick) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 12:57:35 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] how to adjust the small white gear wheel on Nakamichi 480cassette Message-ID: The best thing you can do is LEAVE THEM ALONE! Steve Rudick Audiotech/Mtl Authorized Nakamichi Service Centre ----Original Message Follows---- From: BOEING747600 at aol.com Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] how to adjust the small white gear wheel on Nakamichi 480cassette deck Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 01:46:31 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from mc11-f9.hotmail.com ([65.54.167.16]) by mc11-s11.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Sat, 13 Sep 2003 05:02:40 -0700 Received: from zebra.naks.com ([194.151.78.54]) by mc11-f9.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Sat, 13 Sep 2003 05:02:39 -0700 Received: from zebra.naks.com (zebra.naks.com [127.0.0.1])by zebra.naks.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h8DC0fO7021954;Sat, 13 Sep 2003 14:00:51 +0200 Received: from imo-r01.mx.aol.com (imo-r01.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.97])by zebra.naks.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h8D5nrO5021326for ; Sat, 13 Sep 2003 07:49:56 +0200 Received: from BOEING747600 at aol.comby imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id x.16b.23b3dd6b (3657)for ; Sat, 13 Sep 2003 01:46:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Message-Info: +va6sINXO+8MZA2gg2XYyu4gIrTrKBjHZdZd5QYCRyk= Message-ID: <16b.23b3dd6b.2c940937 at aol.com> X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6018 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 14:00:36 +0200 X-BeenThere: naktalk at naks.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: naktalk-bounces at naks.com Errors-To: naktalk-bounces at naks.com Return-Path: naktalk-bounces at naks.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Sep 2003 12:02:40.0128 (UTC) FILETIME=[EE27F800:01C379EE] Hi Fellow Nakamichi Fans! I just brought a Nakamichi 480 cassette deck and i see there are small plastic gear wheels underneath the playback head, since i dont have the insturction manual or the serivce manual, will some kind sould please advice me as to what is the correct sequence to adjust these small white plastic gear wheels and the playback azimuth wheel so best performance in both playback and recording can be obtained. Also what is the correct setting of the ex/sx/zx tape switch if one want to use the TDK SA-c60 tape. Any kind help in this regard will be much appreciated!! Thanks! Sikander ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From kjbleus at charter.net Sat Sep 13 15:13:27 2003 From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 08:13:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: How Much for a Nak ZX-7 ??? Message-ID: <002601c379f8$d201f5e0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6> Howdy Bear! I'm curious, what is it about the sound characteristics of your ZX-7 that appeals to you over the other Nak cassette decks? I'm also a ZX-7 user, and its a wondererful piece of gear. Of all my analogue Marantz and nakamichi decks, the ZX-7 stands clearly as superior. Currently, I don't have a Nak Dragon or 1000 ZXL to compare audio record and output results, so any comments will be appreciated. Thanks very much. Regards, K.J. Bleus Madison, Wisc USA kjbleus at charter.net Message: 11 Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 22:08:52 -0700 From: "bigbear69" Subject: FW: [naktalk] Re: How Much for a Nak ZX-7 ??? To: "Naktalk" Message-ID: <000001c37759$a2724ba0$c9ca3040 at compaq> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Replaced some 31 orange capacitors, along with the regular maintenance - belts, alignment, calibration, lube, etc. The cost - I believe in the area of $170 - $190. Just did a quick search for the receipt and could not find it. I would like to note though that my Dragon was in excellent condition in and out before being serviced. After being serviced, I really could not notice a difference in sound. If there was a difference, I would say it was not greater than 5%. In conclusion, don't get me wrong. Mr. Sank does excellent work and I put my trust in him. I also had bought an LX-3 from him which sounded absolutely wonderful. He was even a nice guy to fix and upgrade my Bose 901 EQ (which I have not yet used). I just don't have any time for the Dragon and it's for sale. Anybody can write me off the Naktalk site. A Dragon to me is like a Mercedes in the garage. I love knowing that I own one and I love looking at it. If I don't get a buyer on it, I'll be posting it on ebay. When - that may be years since I'm just so busy lately. -----Original Message----- From: Ti Kan [mailto:ti at amb.org] Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 9:19 PM To: bigbear69 at netzero.net Subject: [naktalk] Re: How Much for a Nak ZX-7 ??? You wrote: > From: "bigbear69" > To: "Naktalk" > > I have a Sanktified Dragon and LX-5 of which Mr. Sank describes in > superb 'just like new' condition. However, my ZX-7 has always sound more > appealing to me. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jvbrhg at seanet.com Sat Sep 13 16:15:10 2003 From: jvbrhg at seanet.com (Babin/Greseth) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 07:15:10 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Fw: Maxell "Epitaxial" cassettes: Randall References: Message-ID: <000601c37a01$73f1faa0$761a0cd0@r7g1f8> Mark- Thanks for the info, I have used Maxell for years but I'm sort of starting to like the TDK Metal line. I am really beginning to wonder if the cassette industry isn't going to take another look at folding??? Randall ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hugo" To: Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2003 3:15 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fw: Maxell "Epitaxial" cassettes: Randall > Hi Randall, > > Up until Hitachi-Maxell developed the chemical process for > manufacturing magnetite (some kind of ion exchange method that was later > 'approximately' copied by Taiyo Yuden), they refered to their high > position tapes as epitaxial. Indeed, the XLII-S of 1984 says > "High-Epitaxial". They called their metal alloy "MX" tapes "Metaxial". > The particles are indeed rice-shaped and of course, tiny. > > As time wore on, and technology improved, the particles got smaller and > smaller. They claimed better performance overall as this evolution > took place, although many naksters here will tell you that they have > XLII, UD-XL and XLII-S cassettes that are going on 20 years old and they > still sound pristine, as if they had been recorded yesterday. > > I must admit that I have high end tapes from other manufacturers of > that vintage, which are also faultless. Specifically, they are Sony > UCX-S(Crimson), and the one down from this - the UCX (pink), Hitachi ME > (identical to Maxell MX), and TDK SA-X. > > So...........smaller rice might not be better, after all!! > > Cheers, > > Marc > > The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject > to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more > attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the > named recipient/s. > > If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose > or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. > If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to > this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. > > All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present > in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising > from the use of this email or attachments. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From bigbear69 at netzero.net Sat Sep 13 17:48:10 2003 From: bigbear69 at netzero.net (bigbear69) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 08:48:10 -0700 Subject: FW: [naktalk] Re: How Much for a Nak ZX-7 ??? Message-ID: <001101c37a0e$7152f9e0$9404e043@compaq> I hear more detail in the ZX-7. I also feel it has a more reel to reel sound of which the company Nakamichi was striving for. The first step I take to test stereo equipment is I listen to how well I understand the lyrics and the next step is how realistic the sound of the music instruments are. After that soundstage, imaging, etc. all follow. Also as so many know, the ZX-7 has the record head azimuth. This feature seems noticeable when playing tapes in other decks. We all know the Dragon is a great deck and when you record you hear no difference between tape and source. My 17 year old son also agrees clearly the ZX-7 sounds simply better. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of KJ Bleus Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2003 6:13 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: KJ Bleus Subject: [naktalk] Re: How Much for a Nak ZX-7 ??? Howdy Bear! I'm curious, what is it about the sound characteristics of your ZX-7 that appeals to you over the other Nak cassette decks? I'm also a ZX-7 user, and its a wondererful piece of gear. Of all my analogue Marantz and nakamichi decks, the ZX-7 stands clearly as superior. Currently, I don't have a Nak Dragon or 1000 ZXL to compare audio record and output results, so any comments will be appreciated. Thanks very much. Regards, K.J. Bleus Madison, Wisc USA kjbleus at charter.net Message: 11 Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 22:08:52 -0700 From: "bigbear69" Subject: FW: [naktalk] Re: How Much for a Nak ZX-7 ??? To: "Naktalk" Message-ID: <000001c37759$a2724ba0$c9ca3040 at compaq> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Replaced some 31 orange capacitors, along with the regular maintenance - belts, alignment, calibration, lube, etc. The cost - I believe in the area of $170 - $190. Just did a quick search for the receipt and could not find it. I would like to note though that my Dragon was in excellent condition in and out before being serviced. After being serviced, I really could not notice a difference in sound. If there was a difference, I would say it was not greater than 5%. In conclusion, don't get me wrong. Mr. Sank does excellent work and I put my trust in him. I also had bought an LX-3 from him which sounded absolutely wonderful. He was even a nice guy to fix and upgrade my Bose 901 EQ (which I have not yet used). I just don't have any time for the Dragon and it's for sale. Anybody can write me off the Naktalk site. A Dragon to me is like a Mercedes in the garage. I love knowing that I own one and I love looking at it. If I don't get a buyer on it, I'll be posting it on ebay. When - that may be years since I'm just so busy lately. -----Original Message----- From: Ti Kan [mailto:ti at amb.org] Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 9:19 PM To: bigbear69 at netzero.net Subject: [naktalk] Re: How Much for a Nak ZX-7 ??? You wrote: > From: "bigbear69" > To: "Naktalk" > > I have a Sanktified Dragon and LX-5 of which Mr. Sank describes in > superb 'just like new' condition. However, my ZX-7 has always sound more > appealing to me. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: ATT00010.txt URL: From dondurham at earthlink.net Sun Sep 14 03:04:09 2003 From: dondurham at earthlink.net (Durham) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 20:04:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Question on investing in cassette tapes In-Reply-To: <200309131431.h8DEVpO6022290@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <58E02A4C-E64F-11D7-BBD0-003065C23AC8@earthlink.net> If you were ready to make your first substantial tape purchase in order to lay in a good supply for the coming years, and you were in a position to invest something like $100 to $200 (or a bit more if that might bring the per-tape price down significantly), what would you do? Regarding specific application, my personal use of these cassettes will be mainly recording friends' LPs that I'll never own (mainly acoustic in a full range from single instrument/voice to opera) and some live recording - but please don't limit yourself to that in your reply. Thanks much, Don From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Sun Sep 14 09:28:26 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 17:28:26 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] teac vs. nak Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D022021FD@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Gerald. I've owned some Teac models such as the V-900 (I think that is the right model code), and they sound good but not as good as the Nakamichi. Nakamichi have that "full range" sound, high detail through the entire audio spectrum whiles the Teac has nice highs the lows are sometimes not as good. I've heard some of their flagship models, V7000 for example, and with DBX on they blew me away, but on the otherhand the Naks can do the same with Dolby C. Hope this helps. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: jerryjg at webtv.net [mailto:jerryjg at webtv.net] Sent: Saturday, 13 September 2003 6:08 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] teac vs. nak i know nothing approaches the dragon in high end cassette,but are the high dollar teac decks competition for other reveered nak models(teac decks like the 8000)? thank you very much, gerald ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Sep 14 12:17:43 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 11:17:43 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Question on investing in cassette tapes In-Reply-To: <58E02A4C-E64F-11D7-BBD0-003065C23AC8@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <001c01c37aa9$6f5f8ae0$d86c893e@oemcomputer> Don Much would depend on the type of cassette and the price ... However, the principle you are suggestion has to be right as tape manufacturers are ceasing production all over the show such that it's likely only a very few brands and types will be available quite soon, leaving us with very little choice save for the occasional purchases of new old stock on eBay or some such places. The point being, there are still some good tapes to be had for good prices with bulk purchases from some of the original tape retailers. However, many of the best tapes are now very rare or damn near impossible to buy. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Durham > Sent: 14 September 2003 02:04 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Question on investing in cassette tapes > > > If you were ready to make your first substantial tape purchase in order > to lay in a good supply for the coming years, and you were in a > position to invest something like $100 to $200 (or a bit more if that > might bring the per-tape price down significantly), what would you do? > > Regarding specific application, my personal use of these cassettes will > be mainly recording friends' LPs that I'll never own (mainly acoustic > in a full range from single instrument/voice to opera) and some live > recording - but please don't limit yourself to that in your reply. > > Thanks much, > Don > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.518 / Virus Database: 316 - Release Date: 11/09/03 From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Sep 14 15:14:33 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 09:14:33 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Question on investing in cassette tapes In-Reply-To: <58E02A4C-E64F-11D7-BBD0-003065C23AC8@earthlink.net> References: <58E02A4C-E64F-11D7-BBD0-003065C23AC8@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3F6469B9.4080604@rcn.com> Durham wrote: > If you were ready to make your first substantial tape purchase in order > to lay in a good supply for the coming years, and you were in a position > to invest something like $100 to $200 (or a bit more if that might bring > the per-tape price down significantly), what would you do? > > Regarding specific application, my personal use of these cassettes will > be mainly recording friends' LPs that I'll never own (mainly acoustic in > a full range from single instrument/voice to opera) and some live > recording - but please don't limit yourself to that in your reply. > > Thanks much, > Don I always liked Maxell and TDK products, both of which are still available. A few months ago, I made what I though of as my last tape purchase. I still have about half a dozen Maxell C-90 and C-110 XL-II (type II) cassettes, plus ten or so each of TDK C-90 and C-110 MA (type IV) cassettes. Most of my recordings today go on CD-Rs or CD-RWs. Possibly, these tapes *are* the last I'll ever buy. By the time they are all used, the tape question may be moot, since my CR-7 may by that time be extinct. -- Ron -- Ron From jhkim at pentamicro.com Mon Sep 15 07:32:39 2003 From: jhkim at pentamicro.com (=?ks_c_5601-1987?B?sejBvsf2XChKb25naHllb24gS2ltXCk=?=) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 14:32:39 +0900 Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 Service Manual Message-ID: <01fe01c37b4a$cc6c93d0$1901a8c0@jhkim> My nak(RX-505) may have oragne cpas problem. When playback/recording music, noise comes and goes irregularly. The noise is affected by EQ, dolby swithch and play and stop operation. So I want to know 1. Is this orange cap problem? which caps should be replaced?(caps on dolby board or other?) 2. Is it possible to replace orange caps without service manual? 3. If 2 is impossible, is there FTP or Web site where I can get service-manual as PDF format? Thanks. Jonghyeon Kim Seoul, Korea From marcdenis at iquebec.com Mon Sep 15 04:36:59 2003 From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 22:36:59 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Question on investing in cassette tapes In-Reply-To: <58E02A4C-E64F-11D7-BBD0-003065C23AC8@earthlink.net> References: <200309131431.h8DEVpO6022290@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20030914222749.0346ed10@pop.iquebec.com> I don't know which model of Nak tape deck you own. If you own a model that features record calibration features, then you can by a mixed bag of tapes and makes adjustments as you go. If, on the other hand, you own a deck with limited or no record calibration features, then I would by only one brand and model of blank cassettes and have the deck optimized for this specific tape. I have personnaly always enjoyed Maxell cassettes, largely for their mechanical integrity. I also think that Type I tape sound more natural than Type II even if they are somewhat noisier. Some old Maxell UD C-90 cassettes I have that were recorded more than 25 years ago and were mishandled in all possible manners still seem to perform like day one. At 20:04 2003/09/13 -0500, you wrote: >If you were ready to make your first substantial tape purchase in order to >lay in a good supply for the coming years, and you were in a position to >invest something like $100 to $200 (or a bit more if that might bring the >per-tape price down significantly), what would you do? > >Regarding specific application, my personal use of these cassettes will be >mainly recording friends' LPs that I'll never own (mainly acoustic in a >full range from single instrument/voice to opera) and some live recording >- but please don't limit yourself to that in your reply. > >Thanks much, >Don From timbarrett at cox.net Mon Sep 15 05:41:36 2003 From: timbarrett at cox.net (timbarrett at cox.net) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 23:41:36 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] zx-7 orange caps Message-ID: <3F64FCB0.22304.32671DD@localhost> Well, my stereo cabinet is happy again. After replacing 35 orange caps in the ZX-7 it's back in working order. Both channels are now equally quiet and equally balanced on all three tape types. I used the service manual to build a shopping list of capacitors that were marked as type 'pp', which I will assume means polypropylene. The orange ones seemed to be of that type. There were also some pale yellow capacitors which were denoted as type 'my' in the manual, which should be mylar. When I started replacing capacitors, however, I found that some of the caps which were supposed to be 'my' type were in fact very orange. Fortunately, I had enough to go around. But this leads me to wonder whether there is a consistency in the orange cap population from one unit to the next. Has anyone else noticed this? Tim From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Sep 15 11:57:51 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 11:57:51 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Question on investing in cassette tapes: Don Message-ID: Howzit Don, Well, you asked a straight question, so that deserves a straight answer. Firstly, you're going to be mainly recording from analogue sources (turntable and friends LPs), so keeping it all in the analogue domain sounds great. If I was you, and I did not yet have a nice stash of new, unwrapped cassettes packed away for the future of my hobby, then I would be contemplating my options just as you are. Here are a few useful links for you to get your teeth into. I can make a brief comment on those I've had dealings with: ************************ http://www.kvjfairdeal.com/ KVJ London This is a nice little store with masses of stock in the east end of London. I have just bought some TDK MA-XG, TDK AR, and Maxell XLII from them. Their prices on line are slightly better than if you walk through the door, although, if you buy in boxes of 10, they will do a deal for you usually. http://www.pricebuster.org.uk/ Pricebuster in London central and Harrow These guys are very pleasant to deal with, will export from the Harrow branch. They have Maxell XLII-S, by the way, which Mr Bleus will tell you is just about the nicest (and most consistent) type II in history. http://www.tapeworld.com/ Tape World https://www.protape.co.uk/cgi-bin/protape.storefront Pro Tape UK Good range, the last time I looked, but the prices are not the keenest. http://www.totalmedia.com/ Total Media http://www.american-digital.com/prodsite/default.asp American Digital Splendid outfit in Connecticut - all they have is Maxell XLII I think - but it's a great tape and the price at (I think $0.79 a piece for C-90 is unbeatable) - that's if you buy a case lot. (70 or so). They won't export though. ************************* These are just some of the many sites out there who will do business with you. Getting good quality cassettes is becoming harder every day, as Graham has warned. My advice, is to buy what you can, starting right away. I personally also have digital options for recording, but for a number of reasons have little interest in them. If you have some favourites, hunt for them without delay. I have dawdled before and regret doing so now, because stocks were gone, never to be replaced. Some of the best ever cassettes are now discontinued. For instance, TDK MA-XG, MA-X, AR-X, AD-X and AR are no longer made. Maxell has stopped manufactiure of MX-S, MX, and some in countries, XLII-S. XLI-S is long discontinued. Sony best metals are history now, the ceramic Metal Master is now a collectors item. Discontinued too is Metal-ES, HF-ES, UCX-S and in many countries UX-S. BASF's successor, EMTEC, is in financial trouble. All their tapes are pretty worthy; their Reference Maxima TPII is brilliant. If you want opinions on the cassette types you see available for sale at these sites, or in certain cases, technical information, I should be able to help. Good luck! Marc The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From jerryjg at webtv.net Mon Sep 15 15:31:20 2003 From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 08:31:20 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [naktalk] re;question on investing in cassette tapes Message-ID: <16393-3F65BF28-4973@storefull-2232.public.lawson.webtv.net> i would like to start "hoarding"cassettes too.Does anyone know the approimate shelf-life span of a premium cassette tape if stored in the proverbial"cool dry"place? another question about cassete longevity;how soon will a cassete begin to significantally degrade in sound with repeated playing(Im wondering when ill need to RE-record my re-recorded tapes. I already plan to re-record my prerecorded tapes on excellent quality tape for the piece of mind of knowing what is running through my precious naks. thank you very much, gerald From jerryjg at webtv.net Mon Sep 15 16:21:24 2003 From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 09:21:24 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [naktalk] investing in cassette tapes Message-ID: <23424-3F65CAE4-87@storefull-2235.public.lawson.webtv.net> one other question/comment on investing in cassettes.i would like to start scavenging the flea markets/thrift stores and garage sales for used premium tapes in excellent condition,but im not sure how recording over an already recorded premium tape would sound(assuming only one program has been recorded on the tape).anybody have any experience with this? thank you very much, gerald From gwmunger at bestweb.net Mon Sep 15 18:04:02 2003 From: gwmunger at bestweb.net (geochapp20) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 11:04:02 EST Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Blanks Investment Message-ID: <3f65d4e2.b84e.0@bestweb.net> Don: This is a simple response for me, as I I have made many high-quality recordings on my decks; Nak Dragon, Revox B215 & Tandberg 3014A, all using a great tape, purchased at a very low price. I use Maxell XL-IIS for virtually every use (almost exclusively - 98% of the time). As of last month, www.cheapbatteries.com (based in New York) was selling 90 min + 100 min (both were the same $$) XL-IIS blanks in bulk (lots of 10 cassettes) $.90 each plus UPS (handling was only $1.00! per order when placed over the web - and shipped the day after order was placed). The price goes lower too; 200 or more is $.75 each and there may be even greater savings, but check out the site and look around. There blank cassette variety is limited, but they sell what I wanted and had the item in stock. I have had excellent results with the 50 + recordings I have made for myself using XL-IIS. I have a long commute to/from work so I listen almost every day, to my dubs. I have tried many different brands and types, but I find the XL-IIS to be best for the price. I opt for a ultra-high end tape, TDK MA-XG, only when making live recordings, or to dub from certain open-reel tapes and lps, which have an extremely wide dynamic range (where maxinum headroom is necessary). I am completely happy with all of my tapes. Do make sure that the deck is properly set up, for the tape being used. Good taping. George Munger >Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 20:04:09 -0500 >From: Durham >Subject: [naktalk] Question on investing in cassette tapes >To: naktalk at naks.com >Message-ID: <58E02A4C-E64F-11D7-BBD0-003065C23AC8 at earthlink.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > >If you were ready to make your first substantial tape purchase in order >to lay in a good supply for the coming years, and you were in a >position to invest something like $100 to $200 (or a bit more if that >might bring the per-tape price down significantly), what would you do? > >Regarding specific application, my personal use of these cassettes will >be mainly recording friends' LPs that I'll never own (mainly acoustic >in a full range from single instrument/voice to opera) and some live >recording - but please don't limit yourself to that in your reply. > >Thanks much, >Don > > >------------------------------ From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Sep 15 20:51:09 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 14:51:09 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 Service Manual In-Reply-To: <01fe01c37b4a$cc6c93d0$1901a8c0@jhkim> References: <01fe01c37b4a$cc6c93d0$1901a8c0@jhkim> Message-ID: <3F660A1D.8000805@rcn.com> ������(Jonghyeon Kim) wrote: > My nak(RX-505) may have oragne cpas problem. > > When playback/recording music, noise comes and goes irregularly. > > The noise is affected by EQ, dolby swithch and play and stop operation. > > So I want to know > > 1. Is this orange cap problem? which caps should be replaced?(caps on dolby board or other?) Could be, but not necessarily so. Other causes of sporadic noise (usually, crackling sounds, similar to static) can be bad resistors, dirty switches and/or controls and hairline cracks in PCBs. > 2. Is it possible to replace orange caps without service manual? Sure. Just remove the cap and replace with a film capacitor of the same value, with 50V (at least) rating. > 3. If 2 is impossible, is there FTP or Web site where I can get service-manual as PDF format? There is a manual on the Naks.com data base. Ask Wouter for it. -- Ron > > > > Thanks. > > Jonghyeon Kim > Seoul, Korea > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Tue Sep 16 00:45:14 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 08:45:14 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] investing in cassette tapes Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02202200@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Gerald. I guess I'm a good candidate for this, I have bought hundreds of used tapes and have found that even the oldest tape that I own sounded great when I recorded over it. I guess at the very worst you may have to adjust the bias trim knob to achieve the great sound that should come out, but only by a small amount. Things to look out for are tapes that have not been stored correctly, such as very dusty tapes or tapes that have been in high humid areas. If the tapes look clean from the outside then chances are that the cassette is in good shape. Regards, Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: jerryjg at webtv.net [mailto:jerryjg at webtv.net] Sent: Tuesday, 16 September 2003 12:21 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] investing in cassette tapes one other question/comment on investing in cassettes.i would like to start scavenging the flea markets/thrift stores and garage sales for used premium tapes in excellent condition,but im not sure how recording over an already recorded premium tape would sound(assuming only one program has been recorded on the tape).anybody have any experience with this? thank you very much, gerald ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Tue Sep 16 00:52:37 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 08:52:37 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] re;question on investing in cassette tapes Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02202201@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Gerald it's me again. I'm not sure on what the shelf life span is but I own tapes from the seventies and they are still in pristine condition. The re-recording issue is dependent upon how good the tape you plan to re-record is in the first place. If the tape is in good condition then chances are your recordings will turn out great, but if your tapes have creases in them or they have drop-outs then the recording will be affected. Hope this helps. Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: jerryjg at webtv.net [mailto:jerryjg at webtv.net] Sent: Monday, 15 September 2003 11:31 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] re;question on investing in cassette tapes i would like to start "hoarding"cassettes too.Does anyone know the approimate shelf-life span of a premium cassette tape if stored in the proverbial"cool dry"place? another question about cassete longevity;how soon will a cassete begin to significantally degrade in sound with repeated playing(Im wondering when ill need to RE-record my re-recorded tapes. I already plan to re-record my prerecorded tapes on excellent quality tape for the piece of mind of knowing what is running through my precious naks. thank you very much, gerald ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Sep 16 04:42:19 2003 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 20:42:19 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 Service Manual References: <01fe01c37b4a$cc6c93d0$1901a8c0@jhkim> Message-ID: <026101c37bfc$2c1eb1d0$8e3442cf@steve> Only time for a quick tip- If it is a low, static or popping/spitting sort of noise, try simply tightening the grounding screw of the power supply board. It is the one screw that goes through a ring lug that is soldered to the board's ground foil. The supply board is the one that's up in the air, mounted on the rear panel. Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer Talking Dog Transducer Company http://stephensank.com 5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] 505-332-0336 Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer Payments preferred through Paypal.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "김종현(Jonghyeon Kim)" To: Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 11:32 PM Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 Service Manual > My nak(RX-505) may have oragne cpas problem. > > When playback/recording music, noise comes and goes irregularly. > > The noise is affected by EQ, dolby swithch and play and stop operation. > > So I want to know > > 1. Is this orange cap problem? which caps should be replaced?(caps on dolby board or other?) > > 2. Is it possible to replace orange caps without service manual? > > 3. If 2 is impossible, is there FTP or Web site where I can get service-manual as PDF format? > > > > Thanks. > > Jonghyeon Kim > Seoul, Korea > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Tue Sep 16 13:37:10 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 13:37:10 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] teac vs. nak: Gerald Message-ID: Hi Gerald, While the Dragon has no peers in technical complexity, as well as sounding superb, all the top three-head Naks are in the same class of sound. Regarding the TEAC V8000S, it is a top quality machine, well built and sounding very good. It has cobalt amorphous heads. The V7000 was also excellent, even the V5000 had dual capstan. Ken Pohlman in Stereo Review pronounced a TEAC V2030S (a rather junior model) to sound clearly better than a Sony MDSJE 510 mini disc deck. To my ear, the top TEAC decks sound very clean and neutral and have very steady transports. The last of the TEAC superdecks were the V6030S and the direct drive, quartz-timed V8030S. They are powerful sounding machines with top quality Dolby S and are able to make the most of demanding type IV tapes. I heard a recording done on a V6030S using TDK AR tape, and I was quite honestly very impressed. The bass was completely un-cassette like, monstrously deep, defined and extended. A friend of mine made a tape for me on his V8030S using BASF Metal Maxima TPIV, recording with Dolby S. It absolutely cannot be faulted, even on the most revealing system. The other thing is that these upper market TEAC decks look as if they are built to last. They are both solid and attractive. Also both these above decks have very complete calibration facilities. Cheers, Marc The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Tue Sep 16 14:16:28 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 14:16:28 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Tape shelf life and wear rates: Gerald Message-ID: Hi Gerald, Like the others, I have not noticed any degradation on tapes based on age. This applies to tapes in use, recorded ages ago and to brand new, unwrapped pieces. From a practical point of view, using the average human lifespan as a yardstick, you should be able to count on your tapes lasting at least as long you do!!!!...... with the obvious proviso that you should look after them properly. (Same conditions as wine - cool, dark and dry). Don't get them dusty, run them through to the end-stops when finished playing, replace in the cases after use, don't touch the tape itself, don't leave in direct sunlight etc. Also keep your machines heads clean (and if you use three head machines, occasionally demag the PB head). Don't leave cassettes on unshielded speakers, amplifiers, power conditioners or the like. Wear -wise, I also have not noticed hassles in this respect, although I will say this. Certain tape traders don't like certain tapes (and belive me, these guys and gals put tapes through heavy use........). They specifically mention two types that I have seen come up occasionally - those are TDK CDing and Sony CDit. The urban legend (or may be truth, haven't the foggiest) is that these tapes have a poor quality binder and are highly susceptible to fallouts following loss of magnetic particles through normal use. I have bought one of these types (the CDing II) and am presently experimenting with it to find out for myself. However, several recordings and re-recordings (between 4 and 6 over the same run) have not produced any noticable anomalies yet. I have specifically used non-naks for this exercise, so as to accelerate wear without the padlifter benefit. Even with machines that do not use a padlifter, wear after scores of replays is inaudible and therefore negligible. All dual capstan Naks use a padlifter and wear is so low with this design that you need never think about it. For all practical purposes, it is zero. Cheers, Marc The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From RTLehe at aol.com Tue Sep 16 15:28:59 2003 From: RTLehe at aol.com (RTLehe at aol.com) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 09:28:59 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Tape shelf life and wear rates: Gerald Message-ID: <02FCC02D.67001E4A.0004E774@aol.com> Speaking of demagnitizing heads, a few questions. Why do you say demag the pb head on 3 head machines--shouldnt 2 head machines get the same treatment? And what do people think of demagnitizers that are built into cassette housings? I have a TDK demagnitizer that I bought over 20 years ago and it still is working with the original battery. But I wonder if it gets to the pb head on a 3 head Nak. Tad From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Tue Sep 16 16:47:47 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 16:47:47 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Tape life; wear rates; Magnetisation: Tad Message-ID: Hi Tad, You know, this is just personally experience really, seasoned with a bit of input from other sources, though I can't remember where. On two head decks, if you exclusively use the deck for playback, the recorded tape, which is magnetised, gradually magetises the head and tape guides. Ultimately, the head becomes less responsive in the high frequencies and the tapes themselves may become damaged by becoming "remagnetised" By recording a side or two of a cassette, the combined rec/pb head demagnetises and normal performance is restored. My observation on this is that it seems to be true. If you "demag" the head with a demagnetiser, a much quicker result is seen. I note that some people who say that they have never noticed much of a change in performance after "demagging" are probably recording enough tapes to avoid gradual magnetisation problems. Those who find it necessary may be those who seldom do any recording but do plenty of playback. With three head machines, and especially Nakamichis where the heads are physically separate, the magnetisation of a common rec/pb head assebly during the recording phase is not possible. Thus, demagnetisation is more important. Still, depending on the amount of hours you subject your Naks to, demagging may still not be seriously required because magnetisation ebbs with time. I have generally not noticed much change in performance on Naks when demagging all heads and tape path on the recording performance, but have noticed measurable improvement on playback performance. Hence, my remark on demagging the playback head in particular. However, it's quite possible that my Naktalk collleagues have different experiences!! Thanks and regards, Marc The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From gwmunger at bestweb.net Tue Sep 16 16:56:46 2003 From: gwmunger at bestweb.net (geochapp20) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 09:56:46 EST Subject: [naktalk] Used tapes Message-ID: <3f67169e.17b48.0@bestweb.net> Hello Gerald. You might keep in mind, when buying 'garage sale bargains', whether you are getting in on a good deal, or just getting in on a good deal of trouble. Maybe you should consider: A) Condition of the cassette shell >> if the shell is dirty, fadded or is not straight; >> keep looking. B) Condition of cassette internal parts >> if the guides, felt pads, spools or rollers are missing, faulty (they don't turn freely), misaligned, etc.; >> keep walking. C) Condition of tape itself >> if the tape has mold (smell it) - if it smells like your neighbor's basement after a flood; >> run away. Suggestions: Whether or not the tape is used or unused; if it has ben stored for a long time (hopefully with the shell vertical, of course; do not store tapes lying flat) you might try playing the tape through to the end and back, immediately prior to recording. This helps to ensure that the tape is 'free & smooth' so you can avoid surprises during recording. I know of few things worse than having the tape fault while I spend my precious time, working and listening with my Nak. Note: I try to avoid using fast-forward or rewind, in order to reduce risk of mis-shaping the tape; the thinner the tape, the more likely is it to fault. Some tapes carry too much crud (tape residue) on them (who knows where they have been?), so try playing one for a few minutes on a freshly cleaned unit, and then inspect the deck's tape-exposed surfaces; if you find excessive crud, give it away. That said, properly stored and properly used tapes can last a long time, so check for condition and good bargain hunting. George Munger (>-----Original Message----- >From: jerryjg at webtv.net [mailto:jerryjg at webtv.net] >Sent: Tuesday, 16 September 2003 12:21 >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] investing in cassette tapes > > >one other question/comment on investing in cassettes.i would like to >start scavenging the flea markets/thrift stores and garage sales for >used premium tapes in excellent condition,but im not sure how recording >over an already recorded premium tape would sound(assuming only one >program has been recorded on the tape).anybody have any experience with >this? > >thank you very much, >gerald > From kannan_s at vsnl.com Tue Sep 16 19:35:03 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 23:05:03 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Used tapes Message-ID: <20030916173503.3D03415E3F@vsnlbill.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From kjbleus at charter.net Wed Sep 17 00:58:04 2003 From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 17:58:04 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Maxell XLIIS Cassettes Message-ID: <003701c37ca5$fce6ad50$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6> Greetings, I agree with the discussions about finding and buying up whatever is available of the diminishing blank cassettes on the open market. During the last year, I've made a couple trasactions via ebay.com, where I scored several boxes of Maxell XLIIS and a full case of Denon D7/D8 cassettes (all CrO2 bias). Also purchased several boxes of remaining Maxell MX-S 60's last winter for special projects recording on my Nak decks. Alsas, all of these Maxell cassettes have apparently dried up before our eyes. Until just recently, we've seen some opportunities, as discussed on NakTalk! Well, I have news that will raise the eye brows of some Maxell XLIIS cassette users! A known internet merchandiser is offering a remaining stock closeout of Maxell XLIIS 90/100 cassettes for a limited time, boxes of 10 cassettes, pricing the lowest I've found (for me, boxes of 10 XLIIS 90's for $14.90 plus shipping). I just purchase ordered my needs ( maybe until the year 2025 ), and now want to pass this excellent informational lead to my fellow NakTalkers and NakChatters for appropriate action. Grab 'em as you wish, might be the last time!!! Here's the essential info...... https://www.totalmedia.com/ Click on the upper menu, the "Catalog" button; then click to the online product line "click here" link; next click on the "new user" option, and "Submit" Now you are into the good stuff! Browse through the webpages (very user friendly) by clicking to "Audio", then "cassette", then "Studio Grade". You'll then find Maxell XLIIS and TDK SAX products listed. Regards, K.J. Bleus Madison, Wisc USA kjbleus at charter.net ----- Forwarded Message ----- Dear valued customer, We have acquired a large amount of the discontinued but highly popular Maxell XLII-S 90 and 100 minute audio cassettes. The XLII-S series "High Bias" (CR02) cassettes were the highest quality, and some feel the best audio cassettes, ever made. Due to a general slowdown in sales of blank audio cassettes, Maxell discontinued the XLII-S series last year. We now have a limited amount of these high quality cassettes in stock at very attractive prices. Supplies are limited and we reserve the right to limit quantities. If you are interested in purchasing either the XLII-S 90s or 100s, please visit our website www.totalmedia.com and enter using your account id noted above. They can be found under: Bargains > Audio >Cassettes > High Bias Best regards, Jerry Ghinelli jerry at totalmedia.com www.totalmedia.com ----- Forwarded Message ----- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Wed Sep 17 00:42:18 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 08:42:18 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Tape shelf life and wear rates: Gerald Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0220220A@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Marc. Regarding the TDK CDing tape, I own a couple of these tapes and noticed that the print through factor is higher that any other tape I have used. I received these tapes second hand and re-recorded on one to hear the quality and noticed print through. The case on these tapes are rather flimsy. I too own one Sony CDit and the quality is better in both the case and the tape itself. Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Hugo [mailto:Mhugo at sunint.co.za] Sent: Tuesday, 16 September 2003 10:16 To: naktalk at naks.com; jerryjg at webtv.net Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tape shelf life and wear rates: Gerald Hi Gerald, Like the others, I have not noticed any degradation on tapes based on age. This applies to tapes in use, recorded ages ago and to brand new, unwrapped pieces. From a practical point of view, using the average human lifespan as a yardstick, you should be able to count on your tapes lasting at least as long you do!!!!...... with the obvious proviso that you should look after them properly. (Same conditions as wine - cool, dark and dry). Don't get them dusty, run them through to the end-stops when finished playing, replace in the cases after use, don't touch the tape itself, don't leave in direct sunlight etc. Also keep your machines heads clean (and if you use three head machines, occasionally demag the PB head). Don't leave cassettes on unshielded speakers, amplifiers, power conditioners or the like. Wear -wise, I also have not noticed hassles in this respect, although I will say this. Certain tape traders don't like certain tapes (and belive me, these guys and gals put tapes through heavy use........). They specifically mention two types that I have seen come up occasionally - those are TDK CDing and Sony CDit. The urban legend (or may be truth, haven't the foggiest) is that these tapes have a poor quality binder and are highly susceptible to fallouts following loss of magnetic particles through normal use. I have bought one of these types (the CDing II) and am presently experimenting with it to find out for myself. However, several recordings and re-recordings (between 4 and 6 over the same run) have not produced any noticable anomalies yet. I have specifically used non-naks for this exercise, so as to accelerate wear without the padlifter benefit. Even with machines that do not use a padlifter, wear after scores of replays is inaudible and therefore negligible. All dual capstan Naks use a padlifter and wear is so low with this design that you need never think about it. For all practical purposes, it is zero. Cheers, Marc The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Wed Sep 17 00:46:56 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 08:46:56 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Used tapes Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0220220B@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> C) Condition of tape itself >> if the tape has mold (smell it) - if it smells like your neighbor's basement after a flood; >> run away. That is a great description, I love it! Tom Siomopoulos. From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Wed Sep 17 09:00:21 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 09:00:21 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Tape shelf life and wear rates: Tom Message-ID: Excellent information, Thanks a lot Tom, Cheers, Marc The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr Wed Sep 17 14:22:12 2003 From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 15:22:12 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] RX505 Authorized Service in Germany Message-ID: <026501c37d16$5c4341d0$0a10a8c0@TG> Hello, Do you know who is the most reliable Nakamichi service in Germany??? Reliability of the serviceman/workmanship is based on using the exactly same equipment and able to make exactly same adjustments as described in the service manual to tune-up the deck perfectly... Thank you very much for your assistance. Best regards, T.Gunay -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: not available URL: From jhkim at pentamicro.com Thu Sep 18 03:43:32 2003 From: jhkim at pentamicro.com (=?ks_c_5601-1987?B?sejBvsf2XChKb25naHllb24gS2ltXCk=?=) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 10:43:32 +0900 Subject: [naktalk] Maxell XL-IIS Order Message-ID: <074501c37d86$49ee4eb0$1901a8c0@jhkim> Hi all, I have ordered 30 Maxell XL-IIS(100) balnk tapes from www.cheapbatteries.com (I konw this site from George Munger's naktalk message) I live in south korea, so I ordered it to my friend who live in IA, USA.(He will send to me later^^) Total price including tax and shipping is $38.56. I think it's very good price(only $1.28 for each) Regards Jonghyeon Kim Seoul, Korea From fsamuel921 at hotmail.com Thu Sep 18 06:56:08 2003 From: fsamuel921 at hotmail.com (Anthony Samuel) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 23:56:08 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Blank cassette tapes - does anybody has anyexperienece with this site? Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kfendt at gmx.de Thu Sep 18 15:51:10 2003 From: kfendt at gmx.de (Klaus Fendt) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 15:51:10 +0200 (MEST) Subject: [naktalk] RX505 Authorized Service in Germany References: <026501c37d16$5c4341d0$0a10a8c0@TG> Message-ID: <20169.1063893070@www60.gmx.net> Hi, it's very difficult to get a Nakamichi serviced in Germany . . . The only name I know is called GeHaDo residing in Dortmund. I can't give any hints about the quality they provide but a long time ago I got the information that they are able to get some parts from Japan which of course will be quite expensive. Another address near Germany is probably TransTec residing in the Nederlands. Because of that reason I sent my dragon right to New Mexico to Stpehen Sank who serviced it perfectly. Regards Klaus > Hello, > > Do you know who is the most reliable Nakamichi service in Germany??? > > Reliability of the serviceman/workmanship is based on using the exactly > same > equipment and able to make exactly same adjustments as described in the > service manual to tune-up the deck perfectly... > > Thank you very much for your assistance. > > Best regards, > T.Gunay > -- Klaus Fendt Gerhart-Hauptmann-Ring 5 81737 Muenchen ========================== Tel. +49 (0) 89 63-contact-me-first Fax. +49 (0) 89 63-contact-me-first ========================== +++ GMX - die erste Adresse für Mail, Message, More! +++ Getestet von Stiftung Warentest: GMX FreeMail (GUT), GMX ProMail (GUT) (Heft 9/03 - 23 e-mail-Tarife: 6 gut, 12 befriedigend, 5 ausreichend) Jetzt selbst kostenlos testen: http://www.gmx.net From rjkent at comcast.net Thu Sep 18 16:54:04 2003 From: rjkent at comcast.net (Robert Kent) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 07:54:04 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Tapes Message-ID: <001801c37df4$b44bbae0$ed06e90c@B8142DE8> Jonghyeon, Kannan, I have ordered fro CheapBatteries.com many times in the past and have never had any problem at all. By the way Andy....great tip on tape storage position! I have to wonder though, about how much effect gravity could exert on the tape when tightly rolled around the hub.....it seems as though it would be very well protected. Is there a mechanism of potential damage that you have heard about? The typical 10 tape carton is arranged with the tapes on edge as you suggest, and my tape library is in drawers with the tapes on edge. I suppose the loose stack of tapes layed flat would be the concern if left for a very long time? Robert Kent -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Thu Sep 18 19:48:25 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 23:18:25 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Tapes Message-ID: <20030918174825.8F6D115E93@vsnlbill.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From digitalvoice at yahoo.com Thu Sep 18 18:07:21 2003 From: digitalvoice at yahoo.com (Digital Voice) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 09:07:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Question about cassettes with tiny reels inside Message-ID: <20030918160721.30974.qmail@web41510.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, Does anyone know where I could get cassettes that have tiny metal (or metal-like) reels which are visible through the transparent plastic of the cassete? A couple of weeks ago someone sold one cassette like that (Teac) on ebay for something like $50, which is insane. Any help would be appreciated. Victor P.S. Sorry for the silly nature of this question :) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From pumtek at yahoo.com Thu Sep 18 20:18:42 2003 From: pumtek at yahoo.com (matthew brody) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 11:18:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Tapes In-Reply-To: <20030918174825.8F6D115E93@vsnlbill.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <20030918181842.39225.qmail@web14104.mail.yahoo.com> I have also dealt with polyline corp out of elk grove, IL. I think however that i got the last of their MA's, but they do have TDK AM, SAX(?) and BASF metal type IV. matthew brody --- kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > Kent > I wanted to know whether anybody dealt with > http://www.adelcom.net/ > And tapes if they had been stored on dry cool place > they retain the sound for more than 15 years - I > have tapes recorded during 1982 or around that > period without having any problem. > kannan > > rjkent at comcast.net wrote > Jonghyeon, Kannan, > > I have ordered fro CheapBatteries.com many times in > the past and have neve= > r had any problem at all. > > By the way Andy....great tip on tape storage > position! I have to wonder th= > ough, about how much effect gravity could exert on > the tape when tightly ro= > lled around the hub.....it seems as though it would > be very well protected.= > Is there a mechanism of potential damage that you > have heard about?=20=20 > > The typical 10 tape carton is arranged with the > tapes on edge as you sugges= > t, and my tape library is in drawers with the tapes > on edge. I suppose the= > loose stack of tapes layed flat would be the > concern if left for a very lo= > ng time? > > Robert > Kent========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From thsinclair at localdial.com Thu Sep 18 21:13:18 2003 From: thsinclair at localdial.com (Sinclair Forrest) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 20:13:18 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Tapes References: <20030918174825.8F6D115E93@vsnlbill.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <000601c37e18$ebe3de00$a38ee2c3@a9u3z8> I have cassettes going back to the late '70s (BASF Chromdioxid SM - special mechanics and others) which sound fine on my Dragon. I always store them upright and away from heat or damp. No problems. It will be interesting to see how long CD-R's last for! Sinclair. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 6:48 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Tapes > Kent > I wanted to know whether anybody dealt with http://www.adelcom.net/ > And tapes if they had been stored on dry cool place they retain the sound for more than 15 years - I have tapes recorded during 1982 or around that period without having any problem. > kannan > > rjkent at comcast.net wrote > Jonghyeon, Kannan, > > I have ordered fro CheapBatteries.com many times in the past and have neve= > r had any problem at all. > > By the way Andy....great tip on tape storage position! I have to wonder th= > ough, about how much effect gravity could exert on the tape when tightly ro= > lled around the hub.....it seems as though it would be very well protected.= > Is there a mechanism of potential damage that you have heard about?=20=20 > > The typical 10 tape carton is arranged with the tapes on edge as you sugges= > t, and my tape library is in drawers with the tapes on edge. I suppose the= > loose stack of tapes layed flat would be the concern if left for a very lo= > ng time? > > Robert Kent========---------------------------------------------------------======= == > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From thsinclair at localdial.com Thu Sep 18 21:18:01 2003 From: thsinclair at localdial.com (Sinclair Forrest) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 20:18:01 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Tape shelf life and wear rates: Gerald References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0220220A@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <006201c37e19$948da9a0$a38ee2c3@a9u3z8> Interesting. I've used quite a few TDK CDing tapes (mainly type II, which is all you seem to be able to get now - I did get some type Is once), and I haven't noticed any print through, even on ones I've re-recorded. Maybe I haven't listened to them critically enough! Sinclair ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 11:42 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Tape shelf life and wear rates: Gerald > Hi Marc. Regarding the TDK CDing tape, I own a couple of these tapes and > noticed that the print through factor is higher that any other tape I have > used. I received these tapes second hand and re-recorded on one to hear the > quality and noticed print through. The case on these tapes are rather > flimsy. I too own one Sony CDit and the quality is better in both the case > and the tape itself. > > Tom Siomopoulos. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Hugo [mailto:Mhugo at sunint.co.za] > Sent: Tuesday, 16 September 2003 10:16 > To: naktalk at naks.com; jerryjg at webtv.net > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tape shelf life and wear rates: Gerald > > > Hi Gerald, > > Like the others, I have not noticed any degradation on tapes based on age. > This applies to tapes in use, recorded ages ago and to brand new, unwrapped > pieces. From a practical point of view, using the average human lifespan as > a yardstick, you should be able to count on your tapes lasting at least as > long you do!!!!...... with the obvious proviso that you should look after > them properly. (Same conditions as wine - cool, dark and dry). Don't get > them dusty, run them through to the end-stops when finished playing, replace > in the cases after use, don't touch the tape itself, don't leave in direct > sunlight etc. Also keep your machines heads clean (and if you use three > head machines, occasionally demag the PB head). Don't leave cassettes on > unshielded speakers, amplifiers, power conditioners or the like. > > Wear -wise, I also have not noticed hassles in this respect, although I will > say this. Certain tape traders don't like certain tapes (and belive me, > these guys and gals put tapes through heavy use........). They specifically > mention two types that I have seen come up occasionally - those are TDK > CDing and Sony CDit. The urban legend (or may be truth, haven't the > foggiest) is that these tapes have a poor quality binder and are highly > susceptible to fallouts following loss of magnetic particles through normal > use. I have bought one of these types (the CDing II) and am presently > experimenting with it to find out for myself. However, several recordings > and re-recordings (between 4 and 6 over the same run) have not produced any > noticable anomalies yet. I have specifically used non-naks for this > exercise, so as to accelerate wear without the padlifter benefit. > > Even with machines that do not use a padlifter, wear after scores of replays > is inaudible and therefore negligible. All dual capstan Naks use a > padlifter and wear is so low with this design that you need never think > about it. For all practical purposes, it is zero. > > Cheers, > > Marc > > The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject > to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more > > attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of > the > named recipient/s. > > If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, > disclose > or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in > reliance on it. > If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by > replying to > this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your > computer. > > All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are > present > in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or > damage arising > from the use of this email or attachments. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From ddino77 at earthlink.net Thu Sep 18 21:51:20 2003 From: ddino77 at earthlink.net (ddino77 at earthlink.net) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 15:51:20 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Question about cassettes with tiny reels inside Message-ID: <168270-22003941819512061@M2W087.mail2web.com> Yeah, I bought that cool cool cool cassette.... Never saw one like that and paid $26.00 for only one. Looking at those tiny reels turning puts me in a hypnotic trance and makes my NAK(s) look like minature RTR's. If I saw one again on eBay I would pay twice that. Guess I'm insane.... Original Message: ----------------- From: Digital Voice digitalvoice at yahoo.com Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 09:07:21 -0700 (PDT) To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Question about cassettes with tiny reels inside Hi, Does anyone know where I could get cassettes that have tiny metal (or metal-like) reels which are visible through the transparent plastic of the cassete? A couple of weeks ago someone sold one cassette like that (Teac) on ebay for something like $50, which is insane. Any help would be appreciated. Victor P.S. Sorry for the silly nature of this question :) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From hifiman at dsl.pipex.com Fri Sep 19 12:06:47 2003 From: hifiman at dsl.pipex.com (Hifiman) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 11:06:47 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Tapes In-Reply-To: <000601c37e18$ebe3de00$a38ee2c3@a9u3z8> Message-ID: <000e01c37e95$bff1fd40$0100a8c0@STUDY> Or indeed cd's! How many CDs do you have that have discouloured? If you have any sort of sizeable collection, I am sure you'll find more than a few discs that have started to discolour. I have one particular collection (in a series) that has been entirely replaced (free of charge!) by the manufacturer. Neale -----Original Message----- From: Sinclair Forrest [mailto:thsinclair at localdial.com] Sent: 18 September 2003 20:13 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Tapes I have cassettes going back to the late '70s (BASF Chromdioxid SM - special mechanics and others) which sound fine on my Dragon. I always store them upright and away from heat or damp. No problems. It will be interesting to see how long CD-R's last for! Sinclair. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 6:48 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Tapes > Kent > I wanted to know whether anybody dealt with http://www.adelcom.net/ > And tapes if they had been stored on dry cool place they retain the > sound for more than 15 years - I have tapes recorded during 1982 or around that period without having any problem. > kannan > > rjkent at comcast.net wrote > Jonghyeon, Kannan, > > I have ordered fro CheapBatteries.com many times in the past and have neve= > r had any problem at all. > > By the way Andy....great tip on tape storage position! I have to > wonder th= > ough, about how much effect gravity could exert on the tape when > tightly ro= > lled around the hub.....it seems as though it would be very well protected.= > Is there a mechanism of potential damage that you have heard about?=20=20 > > The typical 10 tape carton is arranged with the tapes on edge as you sugges= > t, and my tape library is in drawers with the tapes on edge. I > suppose the= > loose stack of tapes layed flat would be the concern if left for a > very lo= > ng time? > > Robert Kent========---------------------------------------------------------=== ==== == > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == > ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == > From hifiman at dsl.pipex.com Fri Sep 19 12:11:42 2003 From: hifiman at dsl.pipex.com (Hifiman) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 11:11:42 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Tapes In-Reply-To: <001801c37df4$b44bbae0$ed06e90c@B8142DE8> Message-ID: <000f01c37e96$6f3b7e70$0100a8c0@STUDY> I think the issue primarily relates to the risk of damage to the tape edges. When a tape is not perfectly wound e.g. if it has been 'fast-forwarded' , the tape edges may be exposed. Laying the tape on its side then risks putting excess weights on edges of the the tape that are potruding from the tape reel..... Neale -----Original Message----- From: Robert Kent [mailto:rjkent at comcast.net] Sent: 18 September 2003 15:54 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Tapes Jonghyeon, Kannan, I have ordered fro CheapBatteries.com many times in the past and have never had any problem at all. By the way Andy....great tip on tape storage position! I have to wonder though, about how much effect gravity could exert on the tape when tightly rolled around the hub.....it seems as though it would be very well protected. Is there a mechanism of potential damage that you have heard about? The typical 10 tape carton is arranged with the tapes on edge as you suggest, and my tape library is in drawers with the tapes on edge. I suppose the loose stack of tapes layed flat would be the concern if left for a very long time? Robert Kent -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjkent at comcast.net Fri Sep 19 15:47:51 2003 From: rjkent at comcast.net (Robert Kent) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 06:47:51 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Tape Source Message-ID: <000f01c37eb4$a07d38c0$ed06e90c@B8142DE8> Kannan, Sorry Kannan, but thanks for the interesting link to www.adelcom.net . It looks like a good source with a wide variety of products. I have never bought from them before....I am a little curious about the difference between the URL "Adelcom" and the company name "Bluz Bros. Entertainment"? It looks like they are a growing business since many of their product links are not up yet. Their Cassette Tape prices are not the best around. www.cheapbatteries.com has much lower prices for TDK and Maxell chrome tapes, although they don't have any TDK metal tapes available. I have a lot TDK SA and SAX recorded tapes that I have kept, and played occasionally, some for well over 25 years now, and they are mechanically just fine. I do store them on edge as suggested by Andy. I use a Dragon, a CR7 and a Cassette Deck 1....all with playback azimuth adjustment....to get the most out of them....and they still sound great. Most of them were originally recorded on Dual and Teac decks since I could not afford Naks back then. Robert Kent Kent I wanted to know whether anybody dealt with http://www.adelcom.net/ And tapes if they had been stored on dry cool place they retain the sound for more than 15 years - I have tapes recorded during 1982 or around that period without having any problem. kannan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thsinclair at localdial.com Fri Sep 19 23:52:32 2003 From: thsinclair at localdial.com (Sinclair Forrest) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 22:52:32 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Tapes References: <000e01c37e95$bff1fd40$0100a8c0@STUDY> Message-ID: <000801c37ef8$54ce47e0$968ee2c3@a9u3z8> Interesting point, Neale. I have quite a large collection, but I can't say I've noticed any discolouration. From time to time, some (CD-Rs included) live in the car for protracted periods, with all the extremes of temperature and humidity that entails, but I can't say I've noticed any adverse effects - yet! I think I'll scrutinise my collection and I'll let you know. Sinclair ----- Original Message ----- From: Hifiman To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 11:06 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cassette Tapes > Or indeed cd's! How many CDs do you have that have discouloured? If > you have any sort of sizeable collection, I am sure you'll find more > than a few discs that have started to discolour. I have one particular > collection (in a series) that has been entirely replaced (free of > charge!) by the manufacturer. > > Neale > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sinclair Forrest [mailto:thsinclair at localdial.com] > Sent: 18 September 2003 20:13 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Tapes > > > I have cassettes going back to the late '70s (BASF Chromdioxid SM - > special mechanics and others) which sound fine on my Dragon. I always > store them upright and away from heat or damp. No problems. It will be > interesting to see how long CD-R's last for! > > Sinclair. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 6:48 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Tapes > > > > Kent > > I wanted to know whether anybody dealt with http://www.adelcom.net/ > > And tapes if they had been stored on dry cool place they retain the > > sound > for more than 15 years - I have tapes recorded during 1982 or around > that period without having any problem. > > kannan > > > > rjkent at comcast.net wrote > > Jonghyeon, Kannan, > > > > I have ordered fro CheapBatteries.com many times in the past and have > neve= > > r had any problem at all. > > > > By the way Andy....great tip on tape storage position! I have to > > wonder > th= > > ough, about how much effect gravity could exert on the tape when > > tightly > ro= > > lled around the hub.....it seems as though it would be very well > protected.= > > Is there a mechanism of potential damage that you have heard > about?=20=20 > > > > The typical 10 tape carton is arranged with the tapes on edge as you > sugges= > > t, and my tape library is in drawers with the tapes on edge. I > > suppose > the= > > loose stack of tapes layed flat would be the concern if left for a > > very > lo= > > ng time? > > > > Robert > Kent========---------------------------------------------------------=== > ==== > == > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------======= > == > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------======= > == > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------======= > == > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------======= > == > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------======= > == > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From maarten at loonmuziek.com Sat Sep 20 00:50:28 2003 From: maarten at loonmuziek.com (Maarten) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 00:50:28 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 581 problems Message-ID: <013f01c37f00$6c915fe0$58333950@arnhem.chello.nl> Dear Kannan, Wonderful as your diagnosis "Check the stop button light - if it is not working then it is the culprit for very low volume of playback " from July 8th worked out to be the very problem with my lately bought 582 (20 euro) as well! Thinking it was due to an electronical failure, the problem ended up to be a simple bulb! Thank you Kannan for your advise. Thank you Wouter for this site (by the way, I will register this 582 soon)! Maarten -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Sep 20 07:46:58 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 01:46:58 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Tapes In-Reply-To: <001801c37df4$b44bbae0$ed06e90c@B8142DE8> References: <001801c37df4$b44bbae0$ed06e90c@B8142DE8> Message-ID: <3F6BE9D2.9010403@rcn.com> Robert Kent wrote: > Jonghyeon, Kannan, > > [.......] > > By the way Andy....great tip on tape storage position! I have to wonder though, about how much effect gravity could exert on the tape when tightly rolled around the hub.....it seems as though it would be very well protected. Is there a mechanism of potential damage that you have heard about? I have had cassette stored laying flat in C-Boxes (anyone remember those?) since the early 70s -- well over 25 years. No damage so far. -- Ron > The typical 10 tape carton is arranged with the tapes on edge as you suggest, and my tape library is in drawers with the tapes on edge. I suppose the loose stack of tapes layed flat would be the concern if left for a very long time? > > Robert Kent From ti at amb.org Sat Sep 20 05:46:17 2003 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 20:46:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Tapes In-Reply-To: <000801c37ef8$54ce47e0$968ee2c3@a9u3z8> from "Sinclair Forrest" at Sep 19, 2003 10:52:32 PM Message-ID: <200309200346.DAA07170@amb.org> I haven't heard complaints about CD-Rs deteriorating, but certain pressings of audio CDs (primarily of Polydor of Europe origin) have been known to have severe delamination problems. For the full scoop, go to www.google.com and search for "CD rot". -Ti Nakamichi Dragon -- /// Ti Kan Vorsprung durch Technik /// AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA /// ti at amb.org ////// http://www.amb.org/ti/ /// Sinclair Forrest writes: > Interesting point, Neale. I have quite a large collection, but I can't say > I've noticed any discolouration. From time to time, some (CD-Rs included) > live in the car for protracted periods, with all the extremes of temperature > and humidity that entails, but I can't say I've noticed any adverse > effects - yet! > > I think I'll scrutinise my collection and I'll let you know. > > Sinclair > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Hifiman > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 11:06 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cassette Tapes > > > Or indeed cd's! How many CDs do you have that have discouloured? If > > you have any sort of sizeable collection, I am sure you'll find more > > than a few discs that have started to discolour. I have one particular > > collection (in a series) that has been entirely replaced (free of > > charge!) by the manufacturer. > > > > Neale From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sat Sep 20 12:39:55 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 12:39:55 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] View your registered Nak(s) now! Message-ID: <3F6C2E7A.68C168EE@xs4all.nl> Hi All! http://www.naks.com/register/view.html Editing is not possible yet, but you can view your product next to all other registered products. You must supply your email address used to register your product(s) and one of the serial numbers you used. If you used more email addresses to register you must remember which one you used to register which product.... Enjoy! Wouter From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Sep 20 12:53:28 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 11:53:28 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Tapes In-Reply-To: <000801c37ef8$54ce47e0$968ee2c3@a9u3z8> Message-ID: <000001c37f65$6cd61620$76904c51@oemcomputer> A considerable number of the first inclusive CDs with BBC's Music magazine all turned yellow and became unplayable ... mine included. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Sinclair Forrest > Sent: 19 September 2003 22:53 > To: hifiman at dsl.pipex.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Tapes > > > Interesting point, Neale. I have quite a large collection, but I > can't say > I've noticed any discolouration. From time to time, some (CD-Rs included) > live in the car for protracted periods, with all the extremes of > temperature > and humidity that entails, but I can't say I've noticed any adverse > effects - yet! > > I think I'll scrutinise my collection and I'll let you know. > > Sinclair > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.520 / Virus Database: 318 - Release Date: 18/09/03 From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Sat Sep 20 23:51:06 2003 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 21:51:06 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] APP Cassette Message-ID: Hi, Just wondering what happenned to this as I never received anything. Is it still in circulation? >From: "Mark Hugo" >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: >Subject: [naktalk] APP Cassette AND Ezio's "Pompei" recording >Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 07:47:48 +0200 > >Hi Ezio, > >After a short while away etc, I picked up the parcel you sent - the APP >cassette as well as your splendid recording of Pink Floyd's Pompei on a >magnificent MA-XG. Many thanks. Bleus, this is great stuff; I shall write >a thorough evaluation in the next few days though. Totally fascinating >stuff. > >The tapes will leave immediately I am done (Wednesday) to Malaysia, as >indicated. > >Best to all. > >Marc _________________________________________________________________ On the move? Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile From daves at intergate.com Sun Sep 21 03:05:26 2003 From: daves at intergate.com (David) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 21:05:26 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL metering In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002601c37fdc$74ca8d30$0100a8c0@custom> 100ZXL help - Having a slight problem with the meters. When there is a level between -10 and -5db, the level (both channels) is not displayed, but when the levels fall outside these values, then everything is fine. Even when the level is -3db, for example, then the section between -10 and -5 light up. it is only when the there are values between -10 and -5 that I have a problem. I have taken the meters out of the deck, checked al the solder connections on the components and swapped a few transistors. It seems that I may have a logic chip that is faulty, but do not know which one to check. I know that the meters work off a matrix scheme. Any help would be appreciated. David From hifisapi at gate.net Sun Sep 21 00:54:36 2003 From: hifisapi at gate.net (J. C. O'Connell) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 18:54:36 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CDR killing cassette? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I've got to admit, since connecting my audio system to my pc last year, I've been making far more CD-Rs than cassettes lately even though they dont sound as good as a top notch LP transferred to cassette on a NAK of course. Am I alone or are you diehard NAK fans succumbing to the same fate? PS. LX-5 owner here JCO From jerryjg at webtv.net Sun Sep 21 05:14:02 2003 From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 22:14:02 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [naktalk] D.A.T. Versus Analog Nakamichi Message-ID: <8965-3F6D177A-1894@storefull-2233.public.lawson.webtv.net> Who has a comment on digital Audio Tape Naks, Versus The analog Naks?I Want real much to Own a D.A.T...-Tapes are readily available and they (d.A.T.'s)are very fun and exciting it seems! thank you very much, gerald From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Sep 21 11:19:49 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 10:19:49 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] D.A.T. Versus Analog Nakamichi In-Reply-To: <8965-3F6D177A-1894@storefull-2233.public.lawson.webtv.net> Message-ID: <001201c38021$81d80580$0f78893e@oemcomputer> If you are recording analogue signals (i.e. from LP or FM radio) then I feel the best analogue Nak cassette machines are a match for any DAT and probably better in most cases. However, when it comes to recording digital signals , i.e. from CD, it all depends on the sound quality produced by the DAT's on board DAC. Some sound very good and some sound rough. It is said that the early Sony DATs (or at least some of them) replay very nicely. (In my experience, they certainly do!) However, I understand that the more modern ones lack the same tonal colour, although they may appear "more detailed".) Even then, on balance, I think I prefer my Nak ZX9 or the CR7 to any of my DATs. (Which reminds me ....Stephen, if you're reading this, can I still have that Sony "B" unit?) Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Gerald G. > Sent: 21 September 2003 04:14 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] D.A.T. Versus Analog Nakamichi > > > Who has a comment on digital Audio Tape Naks, Versus The analog Naks?I > Want real much to Own a D.A.T...-Tapes are readily available and they > (d.A.T.'s)are very fun and exciting it seems! > > thank you very much, > gerald > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.520 / Virus Database: 318 - Release Date: 18/09/03 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.520 / Virus Database: 318 - Release Date: 18/09/03 From msyoder at border.net Sun Sep 21 11:23:18 2003 From: msyoder at border.net (Michael S. Yoder) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 04:23:18 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CDR killing cassette? Message-ID: <001801c38022$01399460$84f4c1cf@jnorris.ttu.edu> -----Original Message----- From: J. C. O'Connell To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Date: Sunday, September 21, 2003 3:53 AM Subject: [naktalk] CDR killing cassette? >I've got to admit, since connecting my audio system >to my pc last year, I've been making far more CD-Rs >than cassettes lately even though they dont sound as >good as a top notch LP transferred to cassette on a >NAK of course. > >Am I alone or are you diehard NAK fans succumbing >to the same fate? Yes and no. For duplicating pre-recorded work, I do burn CDs almost exclusively. But for live recording, I find the analog sound superior to DAT, MD or CD-R. But then I subsequently dump the best of the live recorded material from cassette (Nak DR-3, Tascam 112 MkII, Sony KA3ES) to CD-R for the sake of convenience and greater compatibility between different playback machines. Michael Yoder From ti at amb.org Sun Sep 21 12:22:37 2003 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 03:22:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CDR killing cassette? In-Reply-To: <001801c38022$01399460$84f4c1cf@jnorris.ttu.edu> from "Michael S. Yoder" at Sep 21, 2003 04:23:18 AM Message-ID: <200309211022.KAA15632@amb.org> Michael S. Yoder writes: > Yes and no. For duplicating pre-recorded work, I do burn CDs almost > exclusively. But for live recording, I find the analog sound superior to > DAT, MD or CD-R. But then I subsequently dump the best of the live recorded > material from cassette (Nak DR-3, Tascam 112 MkII, Sony KA3ES) to CD-R for > the sake of convenience and greater compatibility between different playback > machines. Indeed... While many pros use DAT for live recordings it can be very tricky to do right. Live performances often have very wide dynamic range, and if the recording level is set too high to cause the DAT to "clip" (i.e., Exceed the level represented by the 16-bit binary number of all ones), the result is rather nasty. The same situation also exists for CD-Rs but I don't think many people use CD-Rs for live recording. By comparison, on a analog tape deck, too high a recording level would cause an increase in distortion and reduced high frequency response, but the effect is gradual and not nearly as unpleasant. As for MDs, the same comment for DAT also applies, plus the fact that MDs employ ATRAC lossy compression (similar in concept to MP3, with a different algorithm). This makes it less desirable where sound quality is a priority. Unlike recording a "known" pre-recorded source where you could play the source first and set the recording level accordingly, a live recording session can be rather unpredictable. Fortunately, due to the low noise floor of digital, one could afford to leave a lot of headroom by setting the recording level very conservatively. Or else (gasp!), use a dynamic range limiter. On the issue of CD-R compatibility, I routinely experience mixed results. Depending on the brand and model of blank media, some of the CD-Rs I burn on my Plextor SCSI CD-RW drive do not play well on certain other drives. Sometimes I get annoying glitches and noise, or worse, the playback might skip or get stuck. -Ti Nakamichi Dragon -- /// Ti Kan Vorsprung durch Technik /// AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA /// ti at amb.org ////// http://www.amb.org/ti/ /// From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sun Sep 21 13:42:07 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 13:42:07 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Replacing auto shut-off lamp with led? Message-ID: <3F6D8E8E.EE2352DC@xs4all.nl> Hi All, I'm currently 'repairing' a LX-5 of a friend who suffers from the 'broken auto shut-off pcb lamp'. This is a common failure, and i guess also because this light is always on when the Nak is switched on. So i was thinking, isn't it possible to replace this lamp with a led so it will last longer? I guess some modifications are needed then... So is this doable or do the experts say, stick with the lamp? Wouter From marcdenis at iquebec.com Sun Sep 21 13:49:12 2003 From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 07:49:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] D.A.T. Versus Analog Nakamichi In-Reply-To: <8965-3F6D177A-1894@storefull-2233.public.lawson.webtv.net> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20030921073819.033cca10@pop.iquebec.com> At 22:14 2003/09/20 -0500, you wrote: >Who has a comment on digital Audio Tape Naks, Versus The analog Naks?I >Want real much to Own a D.A.T...-Tapes are readily available and they >(d.A.T.'s)are very fun and exciting it seems! > >thank you very much, >gerald I have played with the Nak DAT-1000 on several occasions, many years ago. It sounds wonderful and Nakamichi's original mechanism is just beautiful to watch in action. It really is the sort of thing anybody would be proud to own. Since then, DAT has become almost strictly a pro thing. Nobody really uses this format at home. If you want to go digital for convenience, I think CD-R is more appropriate. It probably won't sound as good as tapes made and played on a DAT-1000 but at least you can play the end result in your car, your discman, etc... just like analog cassettes! From kannan_s at vsnl.com Sun Sep 21 18:52:03 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 22:22:03 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Replacing auto shut-off lamp with led? Message-ID: <20030921165203.AC40E114964@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From lists at richardhess.com Sun Sep 21 20:44:06 2003 From: lists at richardhess.com (Richard L. Hess) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 11:44:06 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] D.A.T. Versus Analog Nakamichi (CD-R, too) In-Reply-To: <8965-3F6D177A-1894@storefull-2233.public.lawson.webtv.net> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030921113206.0125aef0@127.0.0.1> At 10:14 PM 9/20/2003 -0500, Gerald G. wrote: >Who has a comment on digital Audio Tape Naks, Versus The analog Naks?I >Want real much to Own a D.A.T...-Tapes are readily available and they >(d.A.T.'s)are very fun and exciting it seems! This is my first post to the list. I used to own a Nak 550...I now own two Dragons and an MR-1 and a HighCom unit. However, I'm working on taking things OFF cassettes and putting them on CD-R. See http://www.richardhess.com/tape/ and on the facility link are photos and an equipment list of my home studio. My perspective: Only CD-R is worth considering today. Unless you are in the field and need a small recorder and have something like the Sony D8 or later model (I have a D8 I forget the later models like the M1??) In any event, none of the small Sonys have great mic pres or even great converters, so outboard gear will make that sound better. At home, a GOOD CD-R recorder (like the Sony CDR-W33) that has good converters will make very very very good sounding CD-Rs. Oh and it can use data discs--no need for special audio discs. I have a pair of Panasonic SV-3800 DAT recorders which I don't use much except for playing things. DATs were great before recordable CD-Rs had stabilized. There is a HAIR more fidelity--and compatibility with professional broadcast applications--due to the availability of the 48ks/s sampling rate. But if you're ever going to put this on CD, you'll need to sample rate convert (which, when well done, is pretty transparent) to 44.1ks/s. I don't THINK anything will last as long as CD-R and its players. I'm using Mitsui Gold CD-Rs. As an alternative, consider making the more robust CD-ROM data discs which offer another layer of error correction, but are only readable in computers. Finally, if you're using your computer to make CD-Rs from analog sources, avoid the normal sound cards. Check out http://www.pcavtech.com/ for reviews of sound cards. I'm currently using an 8-channel RME Multiface from http://www.rme-audio.com/ It will digitize to 24 bits, 96 ks/s, although I don't think PC AV Tech has reviewed it. Remember there are a lot of variables when comparing different systems and the ultimate capability of the CD-R or DAT system is often compromised by a less-then-stellar implementation. As to what you're looking for in sound, I once had a friend who bought a Sony APR-5003V reel-to-reel recorder and complained that it sounded "too digital." He was running 1/2-inch two-track at 15 in/s. He was disappointed until he RAISED the average recording level--then he got the sound he was looking for by utilizing some of the non-linear aspects of the tape. Cheers, Richard From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sun Sep 21 21:36:33 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 21:36:33 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Replacing auto shut-off lamp with led? References: <20030921165203.AC40E114964@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <3F6DFDC0.6DFC11CC@xs4all.nl> Kannan! We (my friend, the owner of the LX-5 and me) came to the led idea since the shop i bought the lamp from charged 1 euro and 20 cents for the stupid thing, and they even sold me the wrong one since it's giving light barely, it's also bigger, so i have to find another shop, and i asked for the right lamp! Then Leds are also more easy to get it seems... So a solution would be a good idea we were thinking.... Wouter kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > Wouter > there is a limitation of maximum current through the LEDs( and so is the voltage across it unlike lamps which can take voltage exceeding even 24V . The circuit here works like a ( nearly a )constant voltage source to keep a voltage across another transistor to switch that transistor. Best would be to use a fixed resistor to keep the circuit functioning than the Lamp if you do not want this lamp failing. I found that an additional series resistor across this bulb to reduce the current through the lamp( and hence the brightness of the Lamp) and enhance its life manyfold keeping the stop lamp on. If you still want to use an LED - construct a transistor/led based constant current source or just measure the voltage across the lamp and calculate the series resistance to keep the voltage across LED around 1.5V ( applying the entire 9 V+ on LED would kill it instantly!) > LEDs are very cheap and experimenting one here does not cost much! > Incidently I have a 581 and can check out this ! > kannan > wheijke at xs4all.nl wrote > Hi All, > > I'm currently 'repairing' a LX-5 of a friend who suffers from the > 'broken auto shut-off pcb lamp'. > This is a common failure, and i guess also because this light is always > on when the Nak is switched on. > So i was thinking, isn't it possible to replace this lamp with a led so > it will last longer? I guess some modifications are needed then... > So is this doable or do the experts say, stick with the lamp? > > Wouter > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Sun Sep 21 22:55:11 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 02:25:11 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Replacing auto shut-off lamp with led? Message-ID: <20030921205511.95533114AA8@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From timbarrett at cox.net Sun Sep 21 22:10:10 2003 From: timbarrett at cox.net (timbarrett at cox.net) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 16:10:10 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Replacing auto shut-off lamp with led? In-Reply-To: <3F6DFDC0.6DFC11CC@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <3F6DCD62.23990.17F39C3@localhost> Wouter - I checked the schematica for the ZX-7 and the 481, their shutoff circuits both use a 12V 25mA lamp with a series resistor and are powered from a 12V line. They both also use a PH104 phototransistor. The ZX-7 uses a 100 ohm series resistor, the 481 uses a 220 ohm series resistor. I couldn't find any techical info on the phototransistor, and I don't know if the LX-5 uses an identical circuit or not, but it's probably similar. Typical phototransistors will respond quite nicely to light from a red LED, perhaps even an infra-red LED, but I'd stick with something in the visible range just so it's easier to see when it's working. You'd want to limit the current through the LED to about 10 mA or so, so in either the ZX-7 or 481 I'd replace the existing resistor with a 1k resistor and it should work nicely. Make sure you mount the LED in such a way that it's light is aimed at the surface of the phototransistor. And LED's are polarity sensitive - their leads must be connected to the plus and minus in the correct fashion. There are also LED's available which have built-in current limiting resistors, they are usually packaged as '5V' LED's, or '12V' LED's. If you use one of these '12V' LED's, there is no need for the resistor already on the circuit board - you could remove it and replace it with a short piece of wire. If you have a schematic for the LX-5 and make it available to me, I'd be glad to look at the circuit for you. tim On 21 Sep 2003 at 21:36, Wouter Heijke wrote: Date sent: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 21:36:33 +0200 From: Wouter Heijke To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Replacing auto shut-off lamp with led? Send reply to: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks [ Double-click this line for list subscription options ] Kannan! We (my friend, the owner of the LX-5 and me) came to the led idea since the shop i bought the lamp from charged 1 euro and 20 cents for the stupid thing, and they even sold me the wrong one since it's giving light barely, it's also bigger, so i have to find another shop, and i asked for the right lamp! Then Leds are also more easy to get it seems... So a solution would be a good idea we were thinking.... Wouter kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > Wouter > there is a limitation of maximum current through the LEDs( and so is > the voltage across it unlike lamps which can take voltage exceeding > even 24V . The circuit here works like a ( nearly a )constant > voltage source to keep a voltage across another transistor to switch > that transistor. Best would be to use a fixed resistor to keep the > circuit functioning than the Lamp if you do not want this lamp > failing. I found that an additional series resistor across this bulb > to reduce the current through the lamp( and hence the brightness of > the Lamp) and enhance its life manyfold keeping the stop lamp on. If > you still want to use an LED - construct a transistor/led based > constant current source or just measure the voltage across the lamp > and calculate the series resistance to keep the voltage across LED > around 1.5V ( applying the entire 9 V+ on LED would kill it > instantly!) LEDs are very cheap and experimenting one here does not > cost much! Incidently I have a 581 and can check out this ! kannan > wheijke at xs4all.nl wrote Hi All, > > I'm currently 'repairing' a LX-5 of a friend who suffers from the > 'broken auto shut-off pcb lamp'. This is a common failure, and i > guess also because this light is always on when the Nak is switched > on. So i was thinking, isn't it possible to replace this lamp with a > led so it will last longer? I guess some modifications are needed > then... So is this doable or do the experts say, stick with the > lamp? > > Wouter > > ========---------------------------------------------------------=== > ====== > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------=== > ====== > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------=== > ====== > ========---------------------------------------------------------=== > ====== > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------=== > ====== > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------=== > ====== ========---------------------------------------------------------===== ==== Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------===== ==== Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------===== ==== From thsinclair at localdial.com Sun Sep 21 22:47:30 2003 From: thsinclair at localdial.com (Sinclair Forrest) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 21:47:30 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] D.A.T. Versus Analog Nakamichi (CD-R, too) References: <5.2.1.1.2.20030921113206.0125aef0@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <001401c38081$93e1ef60$1c8ee2c3@a9u3z8> Having owned a DAT recorder (a Pioneer D-500), and currently use CD-R (a Pioneer PDR-509 and cassette (Dragon and Sony Walkman Pro), I thought I'd give my views. The DAT was great for recording long radio broadcasts of opera and concerts where the long recording times available meant that you could get a whole opera or concert without having to worry about running out of tape. Once recorded, I'd put in index points and then transfer to CD-R using the co-axial digital feed with no obvious loss of quality. I don't bother much these days because of the poor quakity of the radio broadcasts here in Jersey (Channel Islands, UK) - too many breaks in transmission. Now, I record straight on to cassette and CD-R and then edit from these. I don't think you lose any quality using a Dragon and metal tape and then transferring to CD-R. If I want to transfer from a (finalised) CD-R to another CD-R, I use my Nak OMS-7E (via its analogue outputs), which has a lovely warm sound with that quality a lot of CD players lack: a decent mid range. I just wish that it was possible to add index points to CD-Rs and CD-RWs after you record, like you can with DVD+Rs and DVD+RWs (I have a Philips DVD recorder). I think, really, it's horses for courses, and a lot depends on the length of what you want to record. Clearly analogue is better for live recording because of teh gradual and relatively benign overload characteristics. I confess that, once I've calibrated a tape on my Dragon and set up the record levels to what I think they should be, I don't worry too much when recording a live radio broadcast because I know the machine will cope. I've never really checked, but does anyone have any views on the durability of DAT tapes or compatibilty between different machines? Sinclair ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard L. Hess To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 7:44 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] D.A.T. Versus Analog Nakamichi (CD-R, too) > At 10:14 PM 9/20/2003 -0500, Gerald G. wrote: > >Who has a comment on digital Audio Tape Naks, Versus The analog Naks?I > >Want real much to Own a D.A.T...-Tapes are readily available and they > >(d.A.T.'s)are very fun and exciting it seems! > > This is my first post to the list. I used to own a Nak 550...I now own two > Dragons and an MR-1 and a HighCom unit. However, I'm working on taking > things OFF cassettes and putting them on CD-R. > > See http://www.richardhess.com/tape/ and on the facility link are photos > and an equipment list of my home studio. > > My perspective: Only CD-R is worth considering today. Unless you are in the > field and need a small recorder and have something like the Sony D8 or > later model (I have a D8 I forget the later models like the M1??) > > In any event, none of the small Sonys have great mic pres or even great > converters, so outboard gear will make that sound better. > > At home, a GOOD CD-R recorder (like the Sony CDR-W33) that has good > converters will make very very very good sounding CD-Rs. Oh and it can use > data discs--no need for special audio discs. > > I have a pair of Panasonic SV-3800 DAT recorders which I don't use much > except for playing things. DATs were great before recordable CD-Rs had > stabilized. There is a HAIR more fidelity--and compatibility with > professional broadcast applications--due to the availability of the 48ks/s > sampling rate. But if you're ever going to put this on CD, you'll need to > sample rate convert (which, when well done, is pretty transparent) to 44.1ks/s. > > I don't THINK anything will last as long as CD-R and its players. I'm using > Mitsui Gold CD-Rs. As an alternative, consider making the more robust > CD-ROM data discs which offer another layer of error correction, but are > only readable in computers. > > Finally, if you're using your computer to make CD-Rs from analog sources, > avoid the normal sound cards. Check out http://www.pcavtech.com/ for > reviews of sound cards. I'm currently using an 8-channel RME Multiface from > http://www.rme-audio.com/ It will digitize to 24 bits, 96 ks/s, although I > don't think PC AV Tech has reviewed it. > > Remember there are a lot of variables when comparing different systems and > the ultimate capability of the CD-R or DAT system is often compromised by a > less-then-stellar implementation. > > As to what you're looking for in sound, I once had a friend who bought a > Sony APR-5003V reel-to-reel recorder and complained that it sounded "too > digital." He was running 1/2-inch two-track at 15 in/s. He was disappointed > until he RAISED the average recording level--then he got the sound he was > looking for by utilizing some of the non-linear aspects of the tape. > > Cheers, > > Richard > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From m.raven at chello.nl Mon Sep 22 00:14:03 2003 From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 00:14:03 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Replacing auto shut-off lamp with led? References: <20030921165203.AC40E114964@webmail.vsnl.com> <3F6DFDC0.6DFC11CC@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <000701c3808d$aad3b0d0$9e3cbbd4@colossus> > > So is this doable or do the experts say, stick with the lamp? Stick with the original lamp, i like the state the nak came from the manufacturer. Maurits From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Sep 22 01:13:16 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 19:13:16 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Replacing auto shut-off lamp with led? In-Reply-To: <3F6D8E8E.EE2352DC@xs4all.nl> References: <3F6D8E8E.EE2352DC@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <3F6E308C.7040604@rcn.com> Wouter Heijke wrote: > Hi All, > > I'm currently 'repairing' a LX-5 of a friend who suffers from the > 'broken auto shut-off pcb lamp'. > This is a common failure, and i guess also because this light is always > on when the Nak is switched on. > So i was thinking, isn't it possible to replace this lamp with a led so > it will last longer? I guess some modifications are needed then... > So is this doable or do the experts say, stick with the lamp? > > Wouter > This shouldn't be difficult to do. It entails replacing the lamp with an LED plus one or two additional resistors. The resistors should be calculated to obtain the same current draw as the lamp. The LED type should be selected for a similar light output as the lamp. I would calculate the resistor values for you, but, unfortunately, I only have a partial LX-5 service manual, that does not include the schematic. -- Ron From jerryjg at webtv.net Mon Sep 22 07:09:13 2003 From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 00:09:13 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [naktalk] Cassette,Cd, and LP service bulletins Message-ID: <17480-3F6E83F9-4213@storefull-2234.public.lawson.webtv.net> here is the website address i should have poste for some ver good technical information on recording media. www.drhifi.com.au/service.htm thank you very much, gerald From c123666 at comcast.net Mon Sep 22 00:01:42 2003 From: c123666 at comcast.net (Carl Cobb) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 15:01:42 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] D.A.T. Versus Analog Nakamichi (CD-R, too) References: <5.2.1.1.2.20030921113206.0125aef0@127.0.0.1> <001401c38081$93e1ef60$1c8ee2c3@a9u3z8> Message-ID: <001e01c3808b$f1470a00$1702a8c0@mine> Go find DATHeads and its related digests; there will be volumes about DAT reliability and compatibility. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sinclair Forrest" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 1:47 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] D.A.T. Versus Analog Nakamichi (CD-R, too) > Having owned a DAT recorder (a Pioneer D-500), and currently use CD-R (a > Pioneer PDR-509 and cassette (Dragon and Sony Walkman Pro), I thought I'd > give my views. > > The DAT was great for recording long radio broadcasts of opera and concerts > where the long recording times available meant that you could get a whole > opera or concert without having to worry about running out of tape. Once > recorded, I'd put in index points and then transfer to CD-R using the > co-axial digital feed with no obvious loss of quality. I don't bother much > these days because of the poor quakity of the radio broadcasts here in > Jersey (Channel Islands, UK) - too many breaks in transmission. > > Now, I record straight on to cassette and CD-R and then edit from these. I > don't think you lose any quality using a Dragon and metal tape and then > transferring to CD-R. If I want to transfer from a (finalised) CD-R to > another CD-R, I use my Nak OMS-7E (via its analogue outputs), which has a > lovely warm sound with that quality a lot of CD players lack: a decent mid > range. > > I just wish that it was possible to add index points to CD-Rs and CD-RWs > after you record, like you can with DVD+Rs and DVD+RWs (I have a Philips DVD > recorder). > > I think, really, it's horses for courses, and a lot depends on the length of > what you want to record. Clearly analogue is better for live recording > because of teh gradual and relatively benign overload characteristics. I > confess that, once I've calibrated a tape on my Dragon and set up the record > levels to what I think they should be, I don't worry too much when recording > a live radio broadcast because I know the machine will cope. > > I've never really checked, but does anyone have any views on the durability > of DAT tapes or compatibilty between different machines? > > Sinclair > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Richard L. Hess > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 7:44 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] D.A.T. Versus Analog Nakamichi (CD-R, too) > > > > At 10:14 PM 9/20/2003 -0500, Gerald G. wrote: > > >Who has a comment on digital Audio Tape Naks, Versus The analog Naks?I > > >Want real much to Own a D.A.T...-Tapes are readily available and they > > >(d.A.T.'s)are very fun and exciting it seems! > > > > This is my first post to the list. I used to own a Nak 550...I now own two > > Dragons and an MR-1 and a HighCom unit. However, I'm working on taking > > things OFF cassettes and putting them on CD-R. > > > > See http://www.richardhess.com/tape/ and on the facility link are photos > > and an equipment list of my home studio. > > > > My perspective: Only CD-R is worth considering today. Unless you are in > the > > field and need a small recorder and have something like the Sony D8 or > > later model (I have a D8 I forget the later models like the M1??) > > > > In any event, none of the small Sonys have great mic pres or even great > > converters, so outboard gear will make that sound better. > > > > At home, a GOOD CD-R recorder (like the Sony CDR-W33) that has good > > converters will make very very very good sounding CD-Rs. Oh and it can use > > data discs--no need for special audio discs. > > > > I have a pair of Panasonic SV-3800 DAT recorders which I don't use much > > except for playing things. DATs were great before recordable CD-Rs had > > stabilized. There is a HAIR more fidelity--and compatibility with > > professional broadcast applications--due to the availability of the 48ks/s > > sampling rate. But if you're ever going to put this on CD, you'll need to > > sample rate convert (which, when well done, is pretty transparent) to > 44.1ks/s. > > > > I don't THINK anything will last as long as CD-R and its players. I'm > using > > Mitsui Gold CD-Rs. As an alternative, consider making the more robust > > CD-ROM data discs which offer another layer of error correction, but are > > only readable in computers. > > > > Finally, if you're using your computer to make CD-Rs from analog sources, > > avoid the normal sound cards. Check out http://www.pcavtech.com/ for > > reviews of sound cards. I'm currently using an 8-channel RME Multiface > from > > http://www.rme-audio.com/ It will digitize to 24 bits, 96 ks/s, although I > > don't think PC AV Tech has reviewed it. > > > > Remember there are a lot of variables when comparing different systems and > > the ultimate capability of the CD-R or DAT system is often compromised by > a > > less-then-stellar implementation. > > > > As to what you're looking for in sound, I once had a friend who bought a > > Sony APR-5003V reel-to-reel recorder and complained that it sounded "too > > digital." He was running 1/2-inch two-track at 15 in/s. He was > disappointed > > until he RAISED the average recording level--then he got the sound he was > > looking for by utilizing some of the non-linear aspects of the tape. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Richard > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From jhkim at pentamicro.com Mon Sep 22 02:25:26 2003 From: jhkim at pentamicro.com (=?ks_c_5601-1987?B?sejBvsf2XChKb25naHllb24gS2ltXCk=?=) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 09:25:26 +0900 Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 Power Noise Message-ID: <007501c380a0$082dfc60$1901a8c0@jhkim> Hi all Thanks for reply of my rx-505 problem. I think that my RX-505 may have power supply problem.(maybe grounding fail) When I touched or moved the power code, the noise varied(increase or decrease). So I tried to tight the grounding screw which Stephen Sank pointed out. but I don't know which screw is the grounding screw. Can you tell me which is the grounding screw? (I attached my RX-505 inside board picture. ) Thanks. Jonghyeon Kim Seour, Korea -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: d.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 229370 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ti at amb.org Sun Sep 21 23:14:02 2003 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 14:14:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] D.A.T. Versus Analog Nakamichi (CD-R, too) In-Reply-To: <001401c38081$93e1ef60$1c8ee2c3@a9u3z8> from "Sinclair Forrest" at Sep 21, 2003 09:47:30 PM Message-ID: <200309212114.VAA17192@amb.org> Sinclair Forrest writes: > I've never really checked, but does anyone have any views on the durability > of DAT tapes or compatibilty between different machines? Not sure if it has any relevance, but I had a lot of trouble with DAT tapes as a data backup medium for my computers. The DAT tapes that I wrote to (using HP SCSI DDS-2 DAT drives) do not read well on other drives, and often encounter read errors even on the same drive that I wrote it with. This situation did not improve with repeated head cleanings using the head cleaning tape, and I used good quality Maxell DDS-2 tapes. The unreliability, plus the fact that hard drives are getting so cheap these days, had led me to abandon using DAT and dedicate a hard drive for backup purposes. Maybe the DAT audio recorders are not as finicky... -Ti Nakamichi Dragon -- /// Ti Kan Vorsprung durch Technik /// AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA /// ti at amb.org ////// http://www.amb.org/ti/ /// From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Sep 22 01:46:26 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 09:46:26 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] D.A.T. Versus Analog Nakamichi (CD-R, too) Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D15D@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Sinclair. Having owned a DAT amchine for about 3 days now (Tascam DA-30) I guess I'm not the expert here, however, I do own DAT tapes (computer grade) for my pc backups and some of these tapes that I'm using are at least 8 years old. I used a few on my DAT and the recordings came out perfect except for one, a Maxell that had the first few inches of tape slightly feathered by a crummy DDS tape drive (don't own it anymore). Hope this helps, Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Sinclair Forrest [mailto:thsinclair at localdial.com] Sent: Monday, 22 September 2003 6:48 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] D.A.T. Versus Analog Nakamichi (CD-R, too) Having owned a DAT recorder (a Pioneer D-500), and currently use CD-R (a Pioneer PDR-509 and cassette (Dragon and Sony Walkman Pro), I thought I'd give my views. The DAT was great for recording long radio broadcasts of opera and concerts where the long recording times available meant that you could get a whole opera or concert without having to worry about running out of tape. Once recorded, I'd put in index points and then transfer to CD-R using the co-axial digital feed with no obvious loss of quality. I don't bother much these days because of the poor quakity of the radio broadcasts here in Jersey (Channel Islands, UK) - too many breaks in transmission. Now, I record straight on to cassette and CD-R and then edit from these. I don't think you lose any quality using a Dragon and metal tape and then transferring to CD-R. If I want to transfer from a (finalised) CD-R to another CD-R, I use my Nak OMS-7E (via its analogue outputs), which has a lovely warm sound with that quality a lot of CD players lack: a decent mid range. I just wish that it was possible to add index points to CD-Rs and CD-RWs after you record, like you can with DVD+Rs and DVD+RWs (I have a Philips DVD recorder). I think, really, it's horses for courses, and a lot depends on the length of what you want to record. Clearly analogue is better for live recording because of teh gradual and relatively benign overload characteristics. I confess that, once I've calibrated a tape on my Dragon and set up the record levels to what I think they should be, I don't worry too much when recording a live radio broadcast because I know the machine will cope. I've never really checked, but does anyone have any views on the durability of DAT tapes or compatibilty between different machines? Sinclair ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard L. Hess To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 7:44 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] D.A.T. Versus Analog Nakamichi (CD-R, too) > At 10:14 PM 9/20/2003 -0500, Gerald G. wrote: > >Who has a comment on digital Audio Tape Naks, Versus The analog Naks?I > >Want real much to Own a D.A.T...-Tapes are readily available and they > >(d.A.T.'s)are very fun and exciting it seems! > > This is my first post to the list. I used to own a Nak 550...I now own two > Dragons and an MR-1 and a HighCom unit. However, I'm working on taking > things OFF cassettes and putting them on CD-R. > > See http://www.richardhess.com/tape/ and on the facility link are photos > and an equipment list of my home studio. > > My perspective: Only CD-R is worth considering today. Unless you are in the > field and need a small recorder and have something like the Sony D8 or > later model (I have a D8 I forget the later models like the M1??) > > In any event, none of the small Sonys have great mic pres or even great > converters, so outboard gear will make that sound better. > > At home, a GOOD CD-R recorder (like the Sony CDR-W33) that has good > converters will make very very very good sounding CD-Rs. Oh and it can use > data discs--no need for special audio discs. > > I have a pair of Panasonic SV-3800 DAT recorders which I don't use much > except for playing things. DATs were great before recordable CD-Rs had > stabilized. There is a HAIR more fidelity--and compatibility with > professional broadcast applications--due to the availability of the 48ks/s > sampling rate. But if you're ever going to put this on CD, you'll need to > sample rate convert (which, when well done, is pretty transparent) to 44.1ks/s. > > I don't THINK anything will last as long as CD-R and its players. I'm using > Mitsui Gold CD-Rs. As an alternative, consider making the more robust > CD-ROM data discs which offer another layer of error correction, but are > only readable in computers. > > Finally, if you're using your computer to make CD-Rs from analog sources, > avoid the normal sound cards. Check out http://www.pcavtech.com/ for > reviews of sound cards. I'm currently using an 8-channel RME Multiface from > http://www.rme-audio.com/ It will digitize to 24 bits, 96 ks/s, although I > don't think PC AV Tech has reviewed it. > > Remember there are a lot of variables when comparing different systems and > the ultimate capability of the CD-R or DAT system is often compromised by a > less-then-stellar implementation. > > As to what you're looking for in sound, I once had a friend who bought a > Sony APR-5003V reel-to-reel recorder and complained that it sounded "too > digital." He was running 1/2-inch two-track at 15 in/s. He was disappointed > until he RAISED the average recording level--then he got the sound he was > looking for by utilizing some of the non-linear aspects of the tape. > > Cheers, > > Richard > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Sep 22 10:31:56 2003 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 02:31:56 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 Power Noise References: <007501c380a0$082dfc60$1901a8c0@jhkim> Message-ID: <01fb01c380e4$04241c00$933442cf@steve> The screw nearest the front & to the right, with the soldered grounding lug under it. Careful not to turn it so hard as to strip the threads in the aluminum bracket. Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer Talking Dog Transducer Company http://stephensank.com 5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] 505-332-0336 Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer Payments preferred through Paypal.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "김종현(Jonghyeon Kim)" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 6:25 PM Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 Power Noise > Hi all > > Thanks for reply of my rx-505 problem. > > I think that my RX-505 may have power supply problem.(maybe grounding fail) > > When I touched or moved the power code, the noise varied(increase or decrease). > > So I tried to tight the grounding screw which Stephen Sank pointed out. > > but I don't know which screw is the grounding screw. > > Can you tell me which is the grounding screw? > (I attached my RX-505 inside board picture. ) > > Thanks. > > Jonghyeon Kim > Seour, Korea ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Mon Sep 22 19:05:27 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 22:35:27 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Replacing auto shut-off lamp with led? Message-ID: <20030922170527.414AD114A79@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr Mon Sep 22 13:07:21 2003 From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 14:07:21 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] D.A.T. Versus Analog Nakamichi (CD-R, too) References: <200309212114.VAA17192@amb.org> Message-ID: <007f01c380f9$b52db730$0a10a8c0@TG> Hi Everybody, DAT tapes and their recoding perfomrance is far beyond of any recoding media in the market so far. Not only due to their long time storage but also exactly realistic copy of the instruments. In the music the aim has been to bring most realistic sensation to your listening environment , as Hi-Fi/End listeners discussed for many years. DAT tapes are the first and very important step in reproduction that for most artists it is preferable in studio to record first into DAT tapes and then to CDs. Inother words, as you can notice on CDs, DDD/AAD/ADD comes form such process of steps during recoding. All D's here refer to Digital, and A's to Analog; mainly D2s are Dat recordings /now most studios also using hard drives. The more D's are most preferable by the listeners (all classic music CDs are DDD). Before DAT tapes, reel-to reel recorders were used in live performances and as well as in studio recordings. Shortly having a DAT machine, even a simple one, will be important to those music lovers, by which 100% you'll attach to realistic and studio qulity recordings!!! To keep the source close to its reality has always been very important it is the only rason why weo spend all our money to such Hi-Tech equipments. After making your DAt recodings you can still have the Nak's Analog warmth on your cassetes, but hereafter what I am stressing is the source, exactness, hence DAT tapes. I have also Nak Zx9 and RX505 (also Revox B215) and their analog depth and tastes also not comparable. I am the person who is stll attached to analog cas. decks, should admit that, todays music are mostly produced (even many smooth jazz players) by computer based very high frequency or low frequency tones. Even it is seldom, our analog recorders fail to exactly record all those frequencies, we should admit it; no matter we increase the bias or auto adjust the tape to 20-20Khz it can not catch the source!! Even sometimes they are distortioned. You'll never have this problem with DAT's, no matter what source frquency is or how high is the source signal!!! I have always felt that DAT is the system just between analog and Digital technology; in DAT technology we still have heads touching on the tape transported (same as analog recorders) for those who will feel almost same feeling.(It is not like that with CD-Rs or MDs (mini disks where digital compression makes the sound poor. They are working using digital lenses) I am definetely not against analog decks on the contrary a real enthuiastic, and I own many HiEnd ones, but if there's a fact, and relity, it sould be accepted.. Best to all Nak lovers.. Tayfur Gunay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ti Kan" To: Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 12:14 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] D.A.T. Versus Analog Nakamichi (CD-R, too) > Sinclair Forrest writes: > > I've never really checked, but does anyone have any views on the durability > > of DAT tapes or compatibilty between different machines? > > Not sure if it has any relevance, but I had a lot of trouble with DAT > tapes as a data backup medium for my computers. The DAT tapes that > I wrote to (using HP SCSI DDS-2 DAT drives) do not read well on other > drives, and often encounter read errors even on the same drive that I > wrote it with. This situation did not improve with repeated head > cleanings using the head cleaning tape, and I used good quality Maxell > DDS-2 tapes. > > The unreliability, plus the fact that hard drives are getting so cheap > these days, had led me to abandon using DAT and dedicate a hard drive > for backup purposes. Maybe the DAT audio recorders are not as finicky... > > -Ti > Nakamichi Dragon > -- > /// Ti Kan Vorsprung durch Technik > /// AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA > /// ti at amb.org > ////// http://www.amb.org/ti/ > /// > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From jerryjg at webtv.net Mon Sep 22 21:09:40 2003 From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 14:09:40 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [naktalk] liquidation of Cassetes ;RE:chapter 11bankruptcy Message-ID: <28222-3F6F48F4-2341@storefull-2236.public.lawson.webtv.net> Audiogon has this information under Music for sale classifieds.Remaining stock of tens of thousands of aluminum CD's and Cassettes warehoused by DCC will be offered for sale at "Drastically Reduced Prices". The following website lists availability of this stock ,acquired due to Bankruptcy of the DCC company by the Owner of the website; DCCBlowout.com Not sure what They have,but it may be of interest to some nak-yakkers thank you very much, gerald From c123666 at comcast.net Mon Sep 22 21:16:52 2003 From: c123666 at comcast.net (Carl Cobb) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 12:16:52 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] D.A.T. Versus Analog Nakamichi (CD-R, too) References: <200309212114.VAA17192@amb.org> <007f01c380f9$b52db730$0a10a8c0@TG> Message-ID: <000601c3813e$14ad6810$1702a8c0@mine> For those with SACD players and the ability to burn their own discs the more high resolution approach is to utlize a PC/laptop along with an appropriate front end device (analogue mic/line input that converts to digital stream that interfaces with the computer) and make recordings at 24/96 rates. Some of the live recording folks at concerts are using this approach. The most popular, but not inexpensive, unit is the Apogee and the Lunatec. They are not terribly expensive by standards of high end audiophiles but they are not inexpensive. Edirol makes a unit that is rather inexpensive but I've heard mixed reports on its performance but I've no first hand experience. I would look at the Lunatec as a first choice if portability is required. Here is a link to these products and the Oade Brothers website that goes into the ins/outs of digital recording and the various options available. If money is no object go check out the various Nagra portable digital recording devices; very nice. http://www.oade.com/digital_recorders/Digital_Converters/index.html Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tayfur Gunay" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 4:07 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] D.A.T. Versus Analog Nakamichi (CD-R, too) > Hi Everybody, > > DAT tapes and their recoding perfomrance is far beyond of any recoding media > in the market so far. Not only due to their long time storage but also > exactly realistic copy of the instruments. In the music the aim has been to > bring most realistic sensation to your listening environment , as Hi-Fi/End > listeners discussed for many years. DAT tapes are the first and very > important step in reproduction that for most artists it is preferable in > studio to record first into DAT tapes and then to CDs. Inother words, as you > can notice on CDs, DDD/AAD/ADD comes form such process of steps during > recoding. All D's here refer to Digital, and A's to Analog; mainly D2s are > Dat recordings /now most studios also using hard drives. The more D's are > most preferable by the listeners (all classic music CDs are DDD). Before DAT > tapes, reel-to reel recorders were used in live performances and as well as > in studio recordings. > > Shortly having a DAT machine, even a simple one, will be important to those > music lovers, by which 100% you'll attach to realistic and studio qulity > recordings!!! To keep the source close to its reality has always been very > important it is the only rason why weo spend all our money to such Hi-Tech > equipments. After making your DAt recodings you can still have the Nak's > Analog warmth on your cassetes, but hereafter what I am stressing is the > source, exactness, hence DAT tapes. > > I have also Nak Zx9 and RX505 (also Revox B215) and their analog depth and > tastes also not comparable. I am the person who is stll attached to analog > cas. decks, should admit that, todays music are mostly produced (even many > smooth jazz players) by computer based very high frequency or low frequency > tones. Even it is seldom, our analog recorders fail to exactly record all > those frequencies, we should admit it; no matter we increase the bias or > auto adjust the tape to 20-20Khz it can not catch the source!! Even > sometimes they are distortioned. You'll never have this problem with DAT's, > no matter what source frquency is or how high is the source signal!!! > > I have always felt that DAT is the system just between analog and Digital > technology; in DAT technology we still have heads touching on the tape > transported (same as analog recorders) for those who will feel almost same > feeling.(It is not like that with CD-Rs or MDs (mini disks where digital > compression makes the sound poor. They are working using digital lenses) I > am definetely not against analog decks on the contrary a real enthuiastic, > and I own many HiEnd ones, but if there's a fact, and relity, it sould be > accepted.. > > Best to all Nak lovers.. > > Tayfur Gunay > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ti Kan" > To: > Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 12:14 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] D.A.T. Versus Analog Nakamichi (CD-R, too) > > > > Sinclair Forrest writes: > > > I've never really checked, but does anyone have any views on the > durability > > > of DAT tapes or compatibilty between different machines? > > > > Not sure if it has any relevance, but I had a lot of trouble with DAT > > tapes as a data backup medium for my computers. The DAT tapes that > > I wrote to (using HP SCSI DDS-2 DAT drives) do not read well on other > > drives, and often encounter read errors even on the same drive that I > > wrote it with. This situation did not improve with repeated head > > cleanings using the head cleaning tape, and I used good quality Maxell > > DDS-2 tapes. > > > > The unreliability, plus the fact that hard drives are getting so cheap > > these days, had led me to abandon using DAT and dedicate a hard drive > > for backup purposes. Maybe the DAT audio recorders are not as finicky... > > > > -Ti > > Nakamichi Dragon > > -- > > /// Ti Kan Vorsprung durch Technik > > /// AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA > > /// ti at amb.org > > ////// http://www.amb.org/ti/ > > /// > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From thsinclair at localdial.com Mon Sep 22 22:32:01 2003 From: thsinclair at localdial.com (Sinclair Forrest) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 21:32:01 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] D.A.T. Versus Analog Nakamichi (CD-R, too) References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D15D@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <001901c38148$946e7080$518ee2c3@a9u3z8> Hi Tom, I used computer grade tapes because they were cheaper and you could get them in longer lengths than the commercially available 'hi-fi' ones. I also reckoned that, being designed for computer back-up, they'd be more reliable and durable. I haven't experienced many problems, but I have nagging doubts about how they'd play on another machine due to compatibility/tracking issues. I think DAT has a lot going for it, especially recording time, and the issues of overload don't really arise if you're recording radio broadcasts as you can pre-set levels with a reasonable degree of accuracy. And of course there's the ability to record at greater than the standard CD sampling frequency. Sinclair. ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 12:46 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] D.A.T. Versus Analog Nakamichi (CD-R, too) > Hi Sinclair. Having owned a DAT amchine for about 3 days now (Tascam DA-30) > I guess I'm not the expert here, however, I do own DAT tapes (computer > grade) for my pc backups and some of these tapes that I'm using are at least > 8 years old. I used a few on my DAT and the recordings came out perfect > except for one, a Maxell that had the first few inches of tape slightly > feathered by a crummy DDS tape drive (don't own it anymore). > > Hope this helps, > > Tom. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sinclair Forrest [mailto:thsinclair at localdial.com] > Sent: Monday, 22 September 2003 6:48 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] D.A.T. Versus Analog Nakamichi (CD-R, too) > > > Having owned a DAT recorder (a Pioneer D-500), and currently use CD-R (a > Pioneer PDR-509 and cassette (Dragon and Sony Walkman Pro), I thought I'd > give my views. > > The DAT was great for recording long radio broadcasts of opera and concerts > where the long recording times available meant that you could get a whole > opera or concert without having to worry about running out of tape. Once > recorded, I'd put in index points and then transfer to CD-R using the > co-axial digital feed with no obvious loss of quality. I don't bother much > these days because of the poor quakity of the radio broadcasts here in > Jersey (Channel Islands, UK) - too many breaks in transmission. > > Now, I record straight on to cassette and CD-R and then edit from these. I > don't think you lose any quality using a Dragon and metal tape and then > transferring to CD-R. If I want to transfer from a (finalised) CD-R to > another CD-R, I use my Nak OMS-7E (via its analogue outputs), which has a > lovely warm sound with that quality a lot of CD players lack: a decent mid > range. > > I just wish that it was possible to add index points to CD-Rs and CD-RWs > after you record, like you can with DVD+Rs and DVD+RWs (I have a Philips DVD > recorder). > > I think, really, it's horses for courses, and a lot depends on the length of > what you want to record. Clearly analogue is better for live recording > because of teh gradual and relatively benign overload characteristics. I > confess that, once I've calibrated a tape on my Dragon and set up the record > levels to what I think they should be, I don't worry too much when recording > a live radio broadcast because I know the machine will cope. > > I've never really checked, but does anyone have any views on the durability > of DAT tapes or compatibilty between different machines? > > Sinclair > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Richard L. Hess > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 7:44 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] D.A.T. Versus Analog Nakamichi (CD-R, too) > > > > At 10:14 PM 9/20/2003 -0500, Gerald G. wrote: > > >Who has a comment on digital Audio Tape Naks, Versus The analog Naks?I > > >Want real much to Own a D.A.T...-Tapes are readily available and they > > >(d.A.T.'s)are very fun and exciting it seems! > > > > This is my first post to the list. I used to own a Nak 550...I now own two > > Dragons and an MR-1 and a HighCom unit. However, I'm working on taking > > things OFF cassettes and putting them on CD-R. > > > > See http://www.richardhess.com/tape/ and on the facility link are photos > > and an equipment list of my home studio. > > > > My perspective: Only CD-R is worth considering today. Unless you are in > the > > field and need a small recorder and have something like the Sony D8 or > > later model (I have a D8 I forget the later models like the M1??) > > > > In any event, none of the small Sonys have great mic pres or even great > > converters, so outboard gear will make that sound better. > > > > At home, a GOOD CD-R recorder (like the Sony CDR-W33) that has good > > converters will make very very very good sounding CD-Rs. Oh and it can use > > data discs--no need for special audio discs. > > > > I have a pair of Panasonic SV-3800 DAT recorders which I don't use much > > except for playing things. DATs were great before recordable CD-Rs had > > stabilized. There is a HAIR more fidelity--and compatibility with > > professional broadcast applications--due to the availability of the 48ks/s > > sampling rate. But if you're ever going to put this on CD, you'll need to > > sample rate convert (which, when well done, is pretty transparent) to > 44.1ks/s. > > > > I don't THINK anything will last as long as CD-R and its players. I'm > using > > Mitsui Gold CD-Rs. As an alternative, consider making the more robust > > CD-ROM data discs which offer another layer of error correction, but are > > only readable in computers. > > > > Finally, if you're using your computer to make CD-Rs from analog sources, > > avoid the normal sound cards. Check out http://www.pcavtech.com/ for > > reviews of sound cards. I'm currently using an 8-channel RME Multiface > from > > http://www.rme-audio.com/ It will digitize to 24 bits, 96 ks/s, although I > > don't think PC AV Tech has reviewed it. > > > > Remember there are a lot of variables when comparing different systems and > > the ultimate capability of the CD-R or DAT system is often compromised by > a > > less-then-stellar implementation. > > > > As to what you're looking for in sound, I once had a friend who bought a > > Sony APR-5003V reel-to-reel recorder and complained that it sounded "too > > digital." He was running 1/2-inch two-track at 15 in/s. He was > disappointed > > until he RAISED the average recording level--then he got the sound he was > > looking for by utilizing some of the non-linear aspects of the tape. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Richard > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From kannan_s at vsnl.com Mon Sep 22 23:48:00 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 03:18:00 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 581 problems Message-ID: <20030922214800.0BB401149F8@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Tue Sep 23 08:47:04 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 08:47:04 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] APP Cassette Message-ID: Greetings, I was waiting for you!! I received the parcel back over a month ago, addressee unknown via South African "Registered Incoming Mail Tracking service" I needed to re-confirm your address. I have repacked the parcel, as various postal services have scribbled all over it. I haven't got it in the office with me or I would confirm it now. I remember you're in the far east.. It's two tapes, the extra one is an MA-XG of Pink Floyds's Pompeii from vinyl - quite excellent. About the time I received it, Enzio announced he was unsubscribing for a month as he was going away on leave. Please give me your address again (so that I can see if there something I did wrongly) and it will leave latest tomorrow morning by registered airmail. By the way, I cannot get into Mr Bleu's site (I wanted to regsiter with yahoo groups 6 months ago, and despite all his assistance, never managed in the end) so I could not confirm there. I should have contacted Mr Bleu's directly, so sincere apologies. Incidently, this parcel was moving around in the world postal system for at least 6 months!! Anxiously awaiting your e-mail!! Best regards, Marc The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From hifiman at dsl.pipex.com Tue Sep 23 00:54:25 2003 From: hifiman at dsl.pipex.com (Hifiman) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 23:54:25 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon .......turntable Message-ID: <000101c3815c$7be5fbf0$0100a8c0@STUDY> First time I've seen a picture of one of these..... http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3048132634&indexURL =0&photoDisplayType=2#ebayphotohosting Anyone ever heard one....? Either that or buy this one for $3400 & let me know if it's worth it...!!! Neale From msyoder at border.net Mon Sep 22 21:45:47 2003 From: msyoder at border.net (Michael S. Yoder) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 14:45:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] D.A.T. Versus Analog Nakamichi (CD-R, too) Message-ID: <001f01c38142$21945620$9ef4c1cf@jnorris.ttu.edu> Tayfur wrote: -----Original Message----- From: Tayfur Gunay To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Date: Monday, September 22, 2003 2:05 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] D.A.T. Versus Analog Nakamichi (CD-R, too) >Hi Everybody, > >DAT tapes and their recoding perfomrance is far beyond of any recoding media >in the market so far. The more D's are >most preferable by the listeners (all classic music CDs are DDD). > Even it is seldom, our analog recorders fail to exactly record all >those frequencies, we should admit it; no matter we increase the bias or >auto adjust the tape to 20-20Khz it can not catch the source!! Even >sometimes they are distortioned. You'll never have this problem with DAT's, >no matter what source frquency is or how high is the source signal!!! >Tayfur Gunay Sorry, but this is definitely debatable. There's a wonderful magazine called "Tape Op" that's pitched to the professional recording industry, and plenty of writers, contributors, engineers they profile, etc. much prefer the purity and warmth of analog recording. I've even read articles in there where engineers like the human-ness of Tascam 4-track "Portastudio" cassette machines, and they take the tracks and dump them to Pro Tools or some other multitrack recording software, rather than going direct to the computer. The computer offers the advantage of editing, but not necessarily any sonic advantages (depends on the engineer and listener). There are still some wonderful recordings made AAD. To many musicians and audiophiles, things like mid-1970s ECM jazz recordings sound the most human and not so sterile as digital recordings. Others may prefer the digital sound. I don't think we can definitively say that everyone prefers the so-called purity/accuracy of digital recording. Michael Yoder From thsinclair at localdial.com Mon Sep 22 22:24:57 2003 From: thsinclair at localdial.com (Sinclair Forrest) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 21:24:57 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] D.A.T. Versus Analog Nakamichi (CD-R, too) References: <200309212114.VAA17192@amb.org> Message-ID: <001201c38147$97ec1b00$518ee2c3@a9u3z8> Hi, Ti Kan, That's interesting. I've never tried playing my DAT tapes on another DAT recorder to see how well they played. I suspect some tracking/compatibility problems. My tapes don't show any undue signs of wear, but they were never played or re-recorded that much. Sinclair ----- Original Message ----- From: Ti Kan To: Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 10:14 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] D.A.T. Versus Analog Nakamichi (CD-R, too) > Sinclair Forrest writes: > > I've never really checked, but does anyone have any views on the durability > > of DAT tapes or compatibilty between different machines? > > Not sure if it has any relevance, but I had a lot of trouble with DAT > tapes as a data backup medium for my computers. The DAT tapes that > I wrote to (using HP SCSI DDS-2 DAT drives) do not read well on other > drives, and often encounter read errors even on the same drive that I > wrote it with. This situation did not improve with repeated head > cleanings using the head cleaning tape, and I used good quality Maxell > DDS-2 tapes. > > The unreliability, plus the fact that hard drives are getting so cheap > these days, had led me to abandon using DAT and dedicate a hard drive > for backup purposes. Maybe the DAT audio recorders are not as finicky... > > -Ti > Nakamichi Dragon > -- > /// Ti Kan Vorsprung durch Technik > /// AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA > /// ti at amb.org > ////// http://www.amb.org/ti/ > /// > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From thsinclair at localdial.com Mon Sep 22 22:32:59 2003 From: thsinclair at localdial.com (Sinclair Forrest) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 21:32:59 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] D.A.T. Versus Analog Nakamichi (CD-R, too) References: <5.2.1.1.2.20030921113206.0125aef0@127.0.0.1><001401c38081$93e1ef60$1c8ee2c3@a9u3z8> <001e01c3808b$f1470a00$1702a8c0@mine> Message-ID: <002001c38148$b7221b40$518ee2c3@a9u3z8> Thanks Carl, I'll have a look at it. Sinclair ----- Original Message ----- From: Carl Cobb To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 11:01 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] D.A.T. Versus Analog Nakamichi (CD-R, too) > Go find DATHeads and its related digests; there will be volumes about DAT > reliability and compatibility. > > Carl > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sinclair Forrest" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 1:47 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] D.A.T. Versus Analog Nakamichi (CD-R, too) > > > > Having owned a DAT recorder (a Pioneer D-500), and currently use CD-R (a > > Pioneer PDR-509 and cassette (Dragon and Sony Walkman Pro), I thought I'd > > give my views. > > > > The DAT was great for recording long radio broadcasts of opera and > concerts > > where the long recording times available meant that you could get a whole > > opera or concert without having to worry about running out of tape. Once > > recorded, I'd put in index points and then transfer to CD-R using the > > co-axial digital feed with no obvious loss of quality. I don't bother > much > > these days because of the poor quakity of the radio broadcasts here in > > Jersey (Channel Islands, UK) - too many breaks in transmission. > > > > Now, I record straight on to cassette and CD-R and then edit from these. > I > > don't think you lose any quality using a Dragon and metal tape and then > > transferring to CD-R. If I want to transfer from a (finalised) CD-R to > > another CD-R, I use my Nak OMS-7E (via its analogue outputs), which has a > > lovely warm sound with that quality a lot of CD players lack: a decent mid > > range. > > > > I just wish that it was possible to add index points to CD-Rs and CD-RWs > > after you record, like you can with DVD+Rs and DVD+RWs (I have a Philips > DVD > > recorder). > > > > I think, really, it's horses for courses, and a lot depends on the length > of > > what you want to record. Clearly analogue is better for live recording > > because of teh gradual and relatively benign overload characteristics. I > > confess that, once I've calibrated a tape on my Dragon and set up the > record > > levels to what I think they should be, I don't worry too much when > recording > > a live radio broadcast because I know the machine will cope. > > > > I've never really checked, but does anyone have any views on the > durability > > of DAT tapes or compatibilty between different machines? > > > > Sinclair > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Richard L. Hess > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 7:44 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] D.A.T. Versus Analog Nakamichi (CD-R, too) > > > > > > > At 10:14 PM 9/20/2003 -0500, Gerald G. wrote: > > > >Who has a comment on digital Audio Tape Naks, Versus The analog Naks?I > > > >Want real much to Own a D.A.T...-Tapes are readily available and they > > > >(d.A.T.'s)are very fun and exciting it seems! > > > > > > This is my first post to the list. I used to own a Nak 550...I now own > two > > > Dragons and an MR-1 and a HighCom unit. However, I'm working on taking > > > things OFF cassettes and putting them on CD-R. > > > > > > See http://www.richardhess.com/tape/ and on the facility link are photos > > > and an equipment list of my home studio. > > > > > > My perspective: Only CD-R is worth considering today. Unless you are in > > the > > > field and need a small recorder and have something like the Sony D8 or > > > later model (I have a D8 I forget the later models like the M1??) > > > > > > In any event, none of the small Sonys have great mic pres or even great > > > converters, so outboard gear will make that sound better. > > > > > > At home, a GOOD CD-R recorder (like the Sony CDR-W33) that has good > > > converters will make very very very good sounding CD-Rs. Oh and it can > use > > > data discs--no need for special audio discs. > > > > > > I have a pair of Panasonic SV-3800 DAT recorders which I don't use much > > > except for playing things. DATs were great before recordable CD-Rs had > > > stabilized. There is a HAIR more fidelity--and compatibility with > > > professional broadcast applications--due to the availability of the > 48ks/s > > > sampling rate. But if you're ever going to put this on CD, you'll need > to > > > sample rate convert (which, when well done, is pretty transparent) to > > 44.1ks/s. > > > > > > I don't THINK anything will last as long as CD-R and its players. I'm > > using > > > Mitsui Gold CD-Rs. As an alternative, consider making the more robust > > > CD-ROM data discs which offer another layer of error correction, but are > > > only readable in computers. > > > > > > Finally, if you're using your computer to make CD-Rs from analog > sources, > > > avoid the normal sound cards. Check out http://www.pcavtech.com/ for > > > reviews of sound cards. I'm currently using an 8-channel RME Multiface > > from > > > http://www.rme-audio.com/ It will digitize to 24 bits, 96 ks/s, although > I > > > don't think PC AV Tech has reviewed it. > > > > > > Remember there are a lot of variables when comparing different systems > and > > > the ultimate capability of the CD-R or DAT system is often compromised > by > > a > > > less-then-stellar implementation. > > > > > > As to what you're looking for in sound, I once had a friend who bought a > > > Sony APR-5003V reel-to-reel recorder and complained that it sounded "too > > > digital." He was running 1/2-inch two-track at 15 in/s. He was > > disappointed > > > until he RAISED the average recording level--then he got the sound he > was > > > looking for by utilizing some of the non-linear aspects of the tape. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Tue Sep 23 00:26:24 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 08:26:24 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] D.A.T. Versus Analog Nakamichi (CD-R, too) Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D166@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> I agree Ti, computer DAT units especially the HP DAT units are finicky. In my 13 years involved in IT I found that the Sony DDS drives are quite good. I feel that the audio DAT recorders are far less finicky than the computer grade DAT. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Ti Kan [mailto:ti at amb.org] Sent: Monday, 22 September 2003 7:14 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] D.A.T. Versus Analog Nakamichi (CD-R, too) Sinclair Forrest writes: > I've never really checked, but does anyone have any views on the durability > of DAT tapes or compatibilty between different machines? Not sure if it has any relevance, but I had a lot of trouble with DAT tapes as a data backup medium for my computers. The DAT tapes that I wrote to (using HP SCSI DDS-2 DAT drives) do not read well on other drives, and often encounter read errors even on the same drive that I wrote it with. This situation did not improve with repeated head cleanings using the head cleaning tape, and I used good quality Maxell DDS-2 tapes. The unreliability, plus the fact that hard drives are getting so cheap these days, had led me to abandon using DAT and dedicate a hard drive for backup purposes. Maybe the DAT audio recorders are not as finicky... -Ti Nakamichi Dragon -- /// Ti Kan Vorsprung durch Technik /// AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA /// ti at amb.org ////// http://www.amb.org/ti/ /// ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Tue Sep 23 10:37:46 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 10:37:46 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] D.A.T. Versus Analog Nakamichi (CD-R, too) Message-ID: I must agree with Michael Yoder. There is much, much more to recording than simply the means upon which it is mastered. It is extremely easy to make an almighty lash-up of a recording job at a live venue when using digital recorders as those who've tried will tell you. I know several guys who have reverted to thier Sony WD-M6 machines (the Sony Pro Portable), or Nak 550 using good metal tapes, because they have come unstuck on recording levels just when they thought they had it "mastered" so to speak. Even if you don't run into digital distortion, there are other things that rear their heads. I (and I'm sure all of us) have DDD CDs which are "furry, lifeless, one-dimensional, rough sounding, sucked-out mid-ranges etc etc) and on the other hand have AAD CDs which sound superb in every respect. Just last night I was listening to a Decca ADRM CD - an early Academy of St Martin in the Fields (pre-Marinner) - the 4 Mozart Horn Concertos. These were originally recorded around 1961 or so. While there is some bias noise (just trace) from the original tape, the recording is vibrant, lifelike and very dynamic. Thanks to the Decca engineers of the time - who would be retired by now probably) it was perfectly miked, cable runs were probably checked for evenness and isolation, all high-current gear was isolated from low-current etc etc. The checklists I believe were endless. The problem with today, is that the guys should get back to basics and not assume that the low noise floors of digital recorders will alone will the panacea for every sonic ill that invades the recording process. It all started with Sony's and Phillips advertising going back 20 years ago. And at the end of that initiative the world (me included!!) thought that the the absence of the weaknesses of the analogue format (clicks, pops, hiss, white noise etc) would mean that what we were left with was perfect. Big, big mistake. You cannot simply push the noise floor below the threshold of audibility and say - hey look - what's left is pure sound. The other thing is that if you want extraordinary bandwidth, breathtaking dynamics and unlimited forward compatibility with any format invented or not yet invented, a professional, as long as the customer will pay, will opt for a Studer 2" studio reel-reel deck running metal mastering tape at 30ips, encoding with Dolby SR. He'll get the basics right too. And quite a lot shouting I imagine!! Cheers all, Marc The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From ti at amb.org Tue Sep 23 11:15:52 2003 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 02:15:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] D.A.T. Versus Analog Nakamichi (CD-R, too) In-Reply-To: from "Mark Hugo" at Sep 23, 2003 10:37:46 AM Message-ID: <200309230915.JAA22817@amb.org> Mark Hugo writes: > ... Very well said! "DDD" is not a guarantee of sonic nirvana, and "AAD" (or for that matter, AAA a la vinyl) can be superb. It all boils down to the talent, artistry and experience of the recording and production engineers who sweat the details. Digital and analog each have their own vices. The recording equipment is important, but only secondary, -Ti Nakamichi Dragon -- /// Ti Kan Vorsprung durch Technik /// AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA /// ti at amb.org ////// http://www.amb.org/ti/ /// From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Sep 23 17:13:26 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 11:13:26 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] D.A.T. Versus Analog Nakamichi (CD-R, too) In-Reply-To: <001f01c38142$21945620$9ef4c1cf@jnorris.ttu.edu> References: <001f01c38142$21945620$9ef4c1cf@jnorris.ttu.edu> Message-ID: <3F706316.9050301@rcn.com> Michael S. Yoder wrote: > Tayfur wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: Tayfur Gunay > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Date: Monday, September 22, 2003 2:05 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] D.A.T. Versus Analog Nakamichi (CD-R, too) > > > >>Hi Everybody, >> >>DAT tapes and their recoding perfomrance is far beyond of any recoding > > media > >>in the market so far. The more D's are >>most preferable by the listeners (all classic music CDs are DDD). >>Even it is seldom, our analog recorders fail to exactly record all >>those frequencies, we should admit it; no matter we increase the bias or >>auto adjust the tape to 20-20Khz it can not catch the source!! Even >>sometimes they are distortioned. You'll never have this problem with DAT's, >>no matter what source frquency is or how high is the source signal!!! >>Tayfur Gunay > > > > Sorry, but this is definitely debatable. There's a wonderful magazine > called "Tape Op" that's pitched to the professional recording industry, and > plenty of writers, contributors, engineers they profile, etc. much prefer > the purity and warmth of analog recording. I've even read articles in there > where engineers like the human-ness of Tascam 4-track "Portastudio" cassette > machines, and they take the tracks and dump them to Pro Tools or some other > multitrack recording software, rather than going direct to the computer. > The computer offers the advantage of editing, but not necessarily any sonic > advantages (depends on the engineer and listener). There are still some > wonderful recordings made AAD. To many musicians and audiophiles, things > like mid-1970s ECM jazz recordings sound the most human and not so sterile > as digital recordings. Others may prefer the digital sound. I don't think > we can definitively say that everyone prefers the so-called purity/accuracy > of digital recording. > > Michael Yoder > In support, there is the much mentioned Stereo Review listening test that compared analog cassette to DAT. The outcome was that analog cassette had the edge in terms of sonic performance. -- Ron From wheijke at xs4all.nl Wed Sep 24 00:24:56 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 00:24:56 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CassetteDeck 1 LIMITED? Message-ID: <3F70C838.448ABBC9@xs4all.nl> Anyone ever seen this one before? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3048658677&category=4784 Never seen it....so unlisted on teh website. Anyone have more info on this CassetteDeck 1 LIMITED? Wouter From marcdenis at iquebec.com Wed Sep 24 01:26:07 2003 From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 19:26:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CassetteDeck 1 LIMITED? In-Reply-To: <3F70C838.448ABBC9@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20030923191510.03be12d0@pop.iquebec.com> At 00:24 2003/09/24 +0200, you wrote: >Anyone ever seen this one before? > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3048658677&category=4784 > >Never seen it....so unlisted on teh website. > >Anyone have more info on this CassetteDeck 1 LIMITED? Same thing as CassetteDeck 1 but silver in color. Only one batch was ever made. There were also a matching Receiver 1 Limited and a CDPlayer 2 Limited. I think something like 500 of each were built for North America. Don't know about the rest of the world. They originally cost more than the black version. From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Wed Sep 24 01:14:05 2003 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 09:14:05 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] CassetteDeck 1 LIMITED? Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D170@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Sorry Wouter, can't say that I have. Not a bad looking piece. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Wouter Heijke [mailto:wheijke at xs4all.nl] Sent: Wednesday, 24 September 2003 8:25 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] CassetteDeck 1 LIMITED? Anyone ever seen this one before? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3048658677&category=4784 Never seen it....so unlisted on teh website. Anyone have more info on this CassetteDeck 1 LIMITED? Wouter ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From RTLehe at aol.com Tue Sep 23 22:50:35 2003 From: RTLehe at aol.com (RTLehe at aol.com) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 16:50:35 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] D.A.T. Versus Analog Nakamichi (CD-R, too) Message-ID: <04CFBD2D.7923D74A.0004E774@aol.com> Wasn't that a comparison of a Teac Dolby S cassette deck and a minidisc deck? --Tad From RTLehe at aol.com Tue Sep 23 22:50:39 2003 From: RTLehe at aol.com (RTLehe at aol.com) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 16:50:39 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] D.A.T. Versus Analog Nakamichi (CD-R, too) Message-ID: <42A98A07.61E3EC1C.0004E774@aol.com> Wasn't that a comparison of a Teac Dolby S cassette deck and a minidisc deck? --Tad From wheijke at xs4all.nl Wed Sep 24 09:31:13 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 09:31:13 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] CassetteDeck 1 LIMITED? In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20030923191510.03be12d0@pop.iquebec.com> References: <3F70C838.448ABBC9@xs4all.nl> <4.3.2.7.2.20030923191510.03be12d0@pop.iquebec.com> Message-ID: <4794.212.78.179.234.1064388673.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> OK! So it basically was the same, only different color? Not like the 1000ZXL LTD? IF you (or someone else) has a brochure of this unit with a good picture (or without will do too) please let me know. Interesting to find this 'new' Nak! Thanks! Wouter > At 00:24 2003/09/24 +0200, you wrote: >>Anyone ever seen this one before? >> >>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3048658677&category=4784 >> >>Never seen it....so unlisted on teh website. >> >>Anyone have more info on this CassetteDeck 1 LIMITED? > > Same thing as CassetteDeck 1 but silver in color. Only one batch was ever > made. There were also a matching Receiver 1 Limited and a CDPlayer 2 > Limited. I think something like 500 of each were built for North America. > Don't know about the rest of the world. They originally cost more than the > black version. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Wed Sep 24 10:37:28 2003 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 10:37:28 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] D.A.T. Versus Analog Nakamichi (CD-R, too) Message-ID: Yes it was ideed, Tad. It was a TEAC V2030S machine, which is still small potatoes against a V6030S or the Direct Drive Quartz-locked V8030S. Cheers, Marc The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. 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They are very rare. Unfortunately, no brochure to my knowledge. I'll send them direct. Marc The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From John at jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk Wed Sep 24 11:05:42 2003 From: John at jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 10:05:42 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Reel motor for Nakamichi 700 II Message-ID: <3F715E66.6050707@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> The reel motor on my Nakamichi 700 II needs replacing (part number part number CA05221A). The UK repair shop, B&W, no longer supports these older decks, and cannot obtain the part. Does anyone know of a source, or perhaps point me towards a still-manufactured alternative. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. John Walker From marcdenis at iquebec.com Wed Sep 24 13:23:27 2003 From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 07:23:27 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CassetteDeck 1 LIMITED? In-Reply-To: <4794.212.78.179.234.1064388673.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20030923191510.03be12d0@pop.iquebec.com> <3F70C838.448ABBC9@xs4all.nl> <4.3.2.7.2.20030923191510.03be12d0@pop.iquebec.com> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20030924064737.03227100@pop.iquebec.com> Exactly the same, only different color. I am scanning the "brochure" for you as I write this. It is only a picture of the three "Limited" pieces with no specs or description in the back. The regular "black" brochure gives all the details. At 09:31 2003/09/24 +0200, you wrote: >OK! >So it basically was the same, only different color? >Not like the 1000ZXL LTD? >IF you (or someone else) has a brochure of this unit with a good picture >(or without will do too) please let me know. >Interesting to find this 'new' Nak! > >Thanks! > >Wouter > > > > At 00:24 2003/09/24 +0200, you wrote: > >>Anyone ever seen this one before? > >> > >>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3048658677&category=4784 > >> > >>Never seen it....so unlisted on teh website. > >> > >>Anyone have more info on this CassetteDeck 1 LIMITED? > > > > Same thing as CassetteDeck 1 but silver in color. Only one batch was ever > > made. There were also a matching Receiver 1 Limited and a CDPlayer 2 > > Limited. I think something like 500 of each were built for North America. > > Don't know about the rest of the world. They originally cost more than the > > black version. > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >_____________________________________________________________________ >MSN Messenger, nouvelle version ! Personnalisez vos messages, jouez en >ligne et communiquez en temps réel par vidéo! http://ifrance.com/_reloc/m From jmtooley at ce.net Wed Sep 24 14:13:41 2003 From: jmtooley at ce.net (jmtooley at ce.net) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 08:13:41 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Reel motor for Nakamichi 700 II In-Reply-To: <3F715E66.6050707@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> References: <3F715E66.6050707@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <1064405621.3f718a757914c@mail.ce.net> Did you ask Stephen Sank? John T. Quoting John Walker : > The reel motor on my Nakamichi 700 II needs replacing (part number part > number CA05221A). The UK repair shop, B&W, no longer supports these > older decks, and cannot obtain the part. Does anyone know of a source, > or perhaps point me towards a still-manufactured alternative. Any > assistance would be greatly appreciated. > > John Walker > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From JOHNSONR at cnc.bc.ca Wed Sep 24 17:30:47 2003 From: JOHNSONR at cnc.bc.ca (RIC JOHNSON) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 08:30:47 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Model 600II Message-ID: <3F71B8A7.568446CB@cnc.bc.ca> I am looking for information on how to use bias and calibration controls for the Nak 600II. I cannot get a manual from Nak as their support says the model is too old. I have never had a Nak deck, I am surprised at the sound of this 1978 model. any help appreciated -------------------------------------------------------------- The College of New Caledonia, Visit us at http://www.cnc.bc.ca Virus scanning is done on all incoming and outgoing email. -------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: JOHNSONR.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 275 bytes Desc: Card for RIC JOHNSON URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Wed Sep 24 20:03:46 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 20:03:46 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CassetteDeck 1 LIMITED? References: <4.3.2.7.2.20030923191510.03be12d0@pop.iquebec.com> <3F70C838.448ABBC9@xs4all.nl> <4.3.2.7.2.20030923191510.03be12d0@pop.iquebec.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20030924064737.03227100@pop.iquebec.com> Message-ID: <3F71DC81.E9C3962F@xs4all.nl> Thanks Marc for the images! I've converted it to the format used on the website and added it to the cassette deck 1. This is just until the new site is there, then i will be able to show all different flavours within a model (which this LTD basically is..), like CR7/CR7E and BX300/ZX-5 and their differences. If someone may have more information please send to me and if there are other Naks like this one, please unveal them! Wouter Marc Denis wrote: > Exactly the same, only different color. > > I am scanning the "brochure" for you as I write this. It is only a picture > of the three "Limited" pieces with no specs or description in the back. The > regular "black" brochure gives all the details. > > At 09:31 2003/09/24 +0200, you wrote: > >OK! > >So it basically was the same, only different color? > >Not like the 1000ZXL LTD? > >IF you (or someone else) has a brochure of this unit with a good picture > >(or without will do too) please let me know. > >Interesting to find this 'new' Nak! > > > >Thanks! > > > >Wouter > > > > > > > At 00:24 2003/09/24 +0200, you wrote: > > >>Anyone ever seen this one before? > > >> > > >>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3048658677&category=4784 > > >> > > >>Never seen it....so unlisted on teh website. > > >> > > >>Anyone have more info on this CassetteDeck 1 LIMITED? > > > > > > Same thing as CassetteDeck 1 but silver in color. Only one batch was ever > > > made. There were also a matching Receiver 1 Limited and a CDPlayer 2 > > > Limited. I think something like 500 of each were built for North America. > > > Don't know about the rest of the world. They originally cost more than the > > > black version. > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >_____________________________________________________________________ > >MSN Messenger, nouvelle version ! Personnalisez vos messages, jouez en > >ligne et communiquez en temps réel par vidéo! http://ifrance.com/_reloc/m > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wontulp at zoomnet.com.au Thu Sep 25 01:35:58 2003 From: wontulp at zoomnet.com.au (David Thompson) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 09:35:58 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Reel motor for Nakamichi 700 II In-Reply-To: <3F715E66.6050707@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> References: <3F715E66.6050707@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: I have been trying to contact a person that Kannan told me about with Nak parts in Australia at TMI Electronics. He is hard to pin down but these contacts should work: Mobile: 0419 444 464 Email: tony_i at bigfoot.com Could be worth a try if you can't get it elsewhere. David >The reel motor on my Nakamichi 700 II needs replacing (part number >part number CA05221A). The UK repair shop, B&W, no longer supports >these older decks, and cannot obtain the part. Does anyone know of a >source, or perhaps point me towards a still-manufactured >alternative. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. > >John Walker > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- David Thompson Assistant Principal/Academic Coordinator Wontulp-Bi-Buya College PO Box 960N, North Cairns Qld 4870 PH 07 4041 4596, Fax 07 4041 4597 Mobile 0429 992 037 ABN 31 048 665 207 http://www.wontulp.qld.edu.au From indulis.b at au1.ibm.com Thu Sep 25 16:10:40 2003 From: indulis.b at au1.ibm.com (Indulis Bernsteins) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 22:10:40 +0800 Subject: [naktalk] Renovating my BX-100 (idler wheel!) Message-ID: Decided to finally get my old Nak back up and running again (mainly so I can do cassette to CD transfers)... have put in a request to nakmart as well so I can get a copy of the service manual. Thanks to the list I ordered 5 new idler wheel rubbers, hopefully it will not take too long to ship them to Australia! My notes about replacing the idler wheel rubber on a BX-100: - you can pretty easily remove the brass shaft that is attached to the motor shaft that runs the FF/REW and has the idler assembly attached to it- it is in the centre of the motor assembly behind the cassette area - the brass shaft has a small set screw in it which needs to be unscrewed - after disassembling the case and removing the bottom plate from the cassette deck - press eject and remove the cassette holder/tray by gently pulling it upwards. It can then be easily removed (it "clicks" onto the metal cassette holder) - unscrew the 4 screws holding the metal plate onto the plastic side cassette guides - undo the 2 screws on the black metal backing plate behind the cassette location - remove backing plate - remove 2 screws on bottom of motor assembly (this assembly holds all the motors etc) where it holds the assembly onto the main frame - detach the rubber band that goes from the motor assembly to the tape counter - undo the 3 screws on the top of the motor assembly, that are holding it onto the main unit frame - undo the screw holding the black earthing wire and lug to the motor assembly - watch for the small square stainless steel piece of sprung metal near the top of the motor assembly- remove it GENTLY before it springs away by itself - gently move the motor assembly back towards the inside of the case- it should come out easily, if not you have missed some steps! - you should now be able to get at the set screw on the brass shaft by rotating the shaft until the set screw is accessible - unscrew the set screw 2-3 turns ONLY - the brass shaft will now be easy to remove from the motor shaft - remove the idler assembly and pressure spring from the motor shaft - replace the idler rubber (once it arrives in the post!... see previous posts for MCM supply of this inexpensive part), making sure you GENTLY remove the idler rubber from the plastic disk that holds it in it's groove... I used some needlenose pliers) - maybe warming the rubber up in warm water would help????? - reassemble - fixed (well I hope so, I need to wait for the rubber for the idler wheel to arrive yet) Needless to say, SAVE all of the pieces in a special sealed bag or box while you are doing this Indulis Indulis Bernsteins -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From RTLehe at aol.com Thu Sep 25 20:33:53 2003 From: RTLehe at aol.com (RTLehe at aol.com) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 14:33:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Renovating my BX-100 (idler wheel!) Message-ID: <2D91208C.105680BD.0004E774@aol.com> I recently replaced the idler tire on my BX 125, which is similar to your BX 100. But I did not remove the entire idler assembly. I left the idler assembly in place and removed small washer-retainer that holds the idler wheel to its axle, then removed the idler, and then replace the tire. The whole job took less than 10 minutes. Your process seems needlessly difficult. Cheers, Tad From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Sep 26 02:49:49 2003 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 20:49:49 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Renovating my BX-100 (idler wheel!) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F738D2D.2060406@rcn.com> There is no reason to perform most of the operations in your list. Certainly, you do not want to remove the pulley. I wrote up the procedure for changing the idler tire a long time ago (DOC file). Let me know if you want it and I'll email it directly to you. -- Ron Indulis Bernsteins wrote: > Decided to finally get my old Nak back up and running again (mainly so I > can do cassette to CD transfers)... have put in a request to nakmart as > well so I can get a copy of the service manual. Thanks to the list I > ordered 5 new idler wheel rubbers, hopefully it will not take too long to > ship them to Australia! > > My notes about replacing the idler wheel rubber on a BX-100: > - you can pretty easily remove the brass shaft that is attached to the > motor shaft that runs the FF/REW and has the idler assembly attached to > it- it is in the centre of the motor assembly behind the cassette area > - the brass shaft has a small set screw in it which needs to be unscrewed > - after disassembling the case and removing the bottom plate from the > cassette deck > - press eject and remove the cassette holder/tray by gently pulling it > upwards. It can then be easily removed (it "clicks" onto the metal > cassette holder) > - unscrew the 4 screws holding the metal plate onto the plastic side > cassette guides > - undo the 2 screws on the black metal backing plate behind the cassette > location > - remove backing plate > - remove 2 screws on bottom of motor assembly (this assembly holds all the > motors etc) where it holds the assembly onto the main frame > - detach the rubber band that goes from the motor assembly to the tape > counter > - undo the 3 screws on the top of the motor assembly, that are holding it > onto the main unit frame > - undo the screw holding the black earthing wire and lug to the motor > assembly > - watch for the small square stainless steel piece of sprung metal near > the top of the motor assembly- remove it GENTLY before it springs away by > itself > - gently move the motor assembly back towards the inside of the case- it > should come out easily, if not you have missed some steps! > - you should now be able to get at the set screw on the brass shaft by > rotating the shaft until the set screw is accessible > - unscrew the set screw 2-3 turns ONLY > - the brass shaft will now be easy to remove from the motor shaft > - remove the idler assembly and pressure spring from the motor shaft > - replace the idler rubber (once it arrives in the post!... see previous > posts for MCM supply of this inexpensive part), making sure you GENTLY > remove the idler rubber from the plastic disk that holds it in it's > groove... I used some needlenose pliers) > - maybe warming the rubber up in warm water would help????? > - reassemble > - fixed (well I hope so, I need to wait for the rubber for the idler wheel > to arrive yet) > > Needless to say, SAVE all of the pieces in a special sealed bag or box > while you are doing this > > Indulis > > Indulis Bernsteins From psburress at worldnet.att.net Fri Sep 26 19:27:24 2003 From: psburress at worldnet.att.net (Proctor Burress) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 10:27:24 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 Message-ID: <006c01c38453$73cd6b20$78ee540c@proctorb> I have a LX-3 purchased in 1982. It does not work - the "riser" mechanism that lifts the heads to the cassette momentarily engages and then drops into the low position - the internal cassette hubs never quite rotate. All lights and forward and reverse mechanisms seem to be operative. Is there a really reliable repair shop or two on the Eastern side of the U. S.? 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URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Sep 27 14:04:51 2003 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 13:04:51 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] E-bay Fraud Scheme In-Reply-To: <001d01c38472$1e978310$0b2bb440@desktop> Message-ID: <000b01c384ef$8e39aae0$b6884c51@oemcomputer> Interesting. Similarly, I have frequently been contacted by a scammer posing as PayPal, claiming that my account would be closed due to "inactivity" unless I confirmed my account details, including my credit card details and - here was the real give away - the PIN code for the credit card! I have complained about this numerous times to PayPal who do not even acknowledge my e-mails. I am guessing they are trying to keep the scam quiet. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Roland Alford Sent: 26 September 2003 22:07 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] E-bay Fraud Scheme E-bay Fraud Scheme -- FYI -- Roland http://www.msnbc.com/news/957191.asp?cp1=1 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.520 / Virus Database: 318 - Release Date: 18/09/03 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Sep 29 09:56:55 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 09:56:55 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 cam motor noise Message-ID: <25351.212.78.179.234.1064822215.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Hi All! I'm now investigtaing a problem i've seen on more Naks but somehow always disappeared after some usage... The cam drive motor on the LX-5 i'm looking after for a friend keeps making noise when the deck goed into play, when i move the cam slightly with my finger it stops and everything is fine. Sometimes it does this by itself when the deck goes into play. So how to fix this? BTW, my friend also preferred the light and didn't want a LED, so i'm gonna try to put a led on one of my own decks. These lights are extremely expensive, 1 euro and 80 cents, but now i found the right one! Wouter From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr Mon Sep 29 15:53:29 2003 From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 16:53:29 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Non-NakTalk / Yamaha KX-1200 References: <25351.212.78.179.234.1064822215.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <020201c38691$11e0c930$0a10a8c0@TG> Dear All, I need help for my Non-Nak deck Yamaha KX-1200 that trecently bought on Ebay. One who might have such an experience (that I have never had before!), all mechanically deck is working perfectly. Input signal is OK, but when played & monitored during recording, output signal is weird! Either from headphones or from RCA out. Sound is like "karaoke" !!! Bass is lost, vocal is almost lost, highy treble sound is heard; or, as if, when connected (+) & (-) poles incorrectly on speakers, you hear such an unnatural sound. Is there anyone outthere who has such problem??? Please contact me for an apporpriate solution at t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr Thanks a lot in advance. T.Gunay From m.raven at chello.nl Mon Sep 29 12:50:43 2003 From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 12:50:43 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 cam motor noise References: <25351.212.78.179.234.1064822215.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <000d01c38677$88a300c0$9e3cbbd4@colossus> Wouter Heijke wrote: > These lights are extremely expensive, 1 euro and 80 cents, but now i found the right > one! I don't understand this line. If you want to degrede your orginal Nak oke but LED's comes in different colors, white, blue, green ect and they are cheap. You only have to put the right R in series with the +Vb. Probably 100 a 200 Ohms. Maurits From kannan_s at vsnl.com Mon Sep 29 20:46:28 2003 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 00:16:28 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 cam motor noise Message-ID: <20030929184628.9634111497F@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Sep 29 20:56:43 2003 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 20:56:43 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 cam motor noise References: <20030929184628.9634111497F@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <3F78806B.3E0A7B6B@xs4all.nl> Hi Kannan! Very clear picture! Since it didn't play for some time (due to the broken auto-stop lamp) it may be the hardened grease, i'll investigate that first! Thanks, Wouter kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > Wouter > the problem is > either 1. The cam motor is unable to push the cam to the correct position - either due to slackening of the cam drive belt ( I used additional whatever rubber belt over the existing one to avoid slipping - not an elegant solution and so look for repalacement belt) > > > or > 2. The preset on the motor control board marked play needs to be set looking at the Cam after openeing the front cover( one of the alignment step on service manual. You can even verify 582 service manual to understand the same.) This may not be likely but still look for locating the cam at the corect location at play mode. > > Also check whether the grease on head block movement frame at the bottom as well as on pinch rollar shaft - had hardened and not allowing the head blok movement upwards? > > The cam motor is trying to reach the correct position but not reaching its final position in play mode is the reason for Cam motor running. Hope I had given a clear picture? > Anyway it is needing attention at this stage before the entire play mode itself stops! > kannan > > wheijke at xs4all.nl wrote > Hi All! > > I'm now investigtaing a problem i've seen on more Naks but somehow always > disappeared after some usage... > The cam drive motor on the LX-5 i'm looking after for a friend keeps > making noise when the deck goed into play, when i move the cam slightly > with my finger it stops and everything is fine. Sometimes it does this by > itself when the deck goes into play. > So how to fix this? > > BTW, my friend also preferred the light and didn't want a LED, so i'm > gonna try to put a led on one of my own decks. These lights are extremely > expensive, 1 euro and 80 cents, but now i found the right one! > > Wouter > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From indulis.b at au1.ibm.com Mon Sep 29 18:31:06 2003 From: indulis.b at au1.ibm.com (Indulis Bernsteins) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 00:31:06 +0800 Subject: [naktalk] Renovating my BX-100 (idler wheel!) In-Reply-To: <200309261000.h8QA0AEw015140@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: >> I recently replaced the idler tire on my BX 125, which is similar to your BX 100. But I did not remove the >> entire idler assembly. I left the idler assembly in place and removed small washer-retainer that holds the idler >> wheel to its axle, then removed the idler, and then replace the tire. The whole job took less than 10 minutes. >> Your process seems needlessly difficult. Yes you are right, this does seem to be a better way to do it (now that I have seen the small washer-retainer! 20/20 hindsight helps normal eyesight). Once I saw the set screw on the brass sleeve I focussed on removing that. Anyway, maybe the description will be of use to someone wanting to replace a motor or other part... thanks for your comments, next time I replace it I'll do it the easy way! Cheers, Indulis -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: